Friday, July 14, 2006

Duck's Head Soup



We got guns, they got guns,
All God's children got guns. - Duck Soup


Ah, crap.

I have a bugger of a head cold, meaning I ache in the places where I used to think. So this has to be short, and won't tell you anything you don't already know.

Israel's war upon Lebanon would be a disproportionate response if Israel were actually responding to the kidnapping of two of its soldiers. It isn't, of course. (If it were, we may have seen a limited cross-border incursion that resembled a rescue mission, rather than these blunt-force deep attacks on Lebanese infrastructure.) Rather the war, like most wars of aggression, is a response to the pathological necessities of the aggressor's ideology.

America's Countdown: Tehran has been stuck at 20 minutes and holding for a couple of months now, derailed by Iran's rational posture regarding its nuclear ambitions and the ongoing thwarting of anything approaching even the Bush administration's benchmark for a casus belli. Israel's hawks, by smashing in the back door, are baiting Iran to action, which would goad the US to crash through the front. Israeli military claims, trumpeted by FoxNews, that the Haifa rockets were fired by Iranian Guard units, and the absurd suggestion that Hezbollah intends to transport their captured soldiers to Iran, say forcefully that this isn't about Lebanon, though for now it will be mostly the Lebanese who perish. (Interestingly, The Jerusualem Post noted yesterday that "Before the attack on Haifa, CNN reported that the US Navy ordered one of their ships that was docked at the Haifa Bay to be moved to a safer location." Though the story has since been removed.)

This is a war crime of opportunity, calculated to at last draw out Iran and draw in American arms to finish what they began in Iraq. Madness is the method, and Death was never going to take a holiday this summer.

146 Comments:

Anonymous Arthur Gilroy said...

I just want to say that apparently this site is the ONLY ONE ON THE ENTIRE WEB that succinctly and accurately reads the truth behind the mainstream media headlines in any consistent manner whatsoever.

Keep up the good work, sir, and...watch your back.

AG

7/14/2006 08:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I agree with this post, completely. I will add, though, that Hezbollah's and Hamas' actions make no sense, unless you consider that they are witting Israeli dupes purposely providing a pretext for Israel's Aggression. Like Al Qaeda, these guys are just too convenient.

Also, I am still not sure who's agenda leads the way in all of this. Is it The U.S. agenda, or Israel's. Are their agendas synonymous, for the time being, until a later date when one, or the other, takes the upper hand? Is one playing the other? Or, are both playing each other until they achieve their long-term objectives, at which point they neutralize and/or dispose of the other?

7/14/2006 08:51:00 AM  
Anonymous TG said...

JW:

What is your understanding of the real origin of their dream of domination? What's your 'grok' of who they really are?

I've covered the scriptural 'authority'. I ask does all this reflect strife in the spiritual realms?

7/14/2006 09:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

VIA Yahoo "Odd" news:

"Police seek clown-face robbers after rampage"

"Police are on the lookout for members of a machete-wielding gang in angry clown make-up after a rampage of robbery and violence that left nearly two dozen people injured in a park in western Washington state."

Gladio in America?

TB

7/14/2006 09:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2 kidnapped Israeli soldiers= 50+ dead Lebanese civilians? Many Israelis are afraid to step out of doors for fear of rocket attacks. Are ordinary Israelis going to allow this to escalate into a 2-3 (more?) fronted all out war?

7/14/2006 09:18:00 AM  
Blogger Jeff said...

"I am still not sure who's agenda leads the way in all of this. Is it The U.S. agenda, or Israel's"

I think we're seeing the shadow of forces that operate beyond national agendas, because the end of this path is the ruin of nations. (And the shadow isn't "Zionism" either, because Israel will also be broken by these choices.) I'm thinking, rather, of globalist narco-criminals who profit by the propagation of "failed states."

Like I wrote about neocons as the patsies of Iraq's "failure" in The Lone Conmen, "Iraq is viewed almost entirely as a neocon project, but the backstory to the war includes the purposeful bankrupting of America, which has weakened the state from the inside while the Iraq war has not only created more enemies, but left it more vulnerable to attack.... Like Oswald, these patsies aren't innocents, but neither should perfect blame be laid at their feet."

7/14/2006 09:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Mr. Blind said...

As far as a possible conspiracy - what about the fact that Hezbollah is like "oh hell no we didn't fire those rockets into israel!" and israel saying "it's quite clear that you did. here we come!"

On MSNBC's hardball last night they had the Syrian ambassador to the US and that was really interesting to watch. The parts that I caught were him basically saying "What the hell does Damascus have to do with this? The US is just trying to stir up a bunch of shit, we're really far away and not bothering anybody"

7/14/2006 10:41:00 AM  
Anonymous silverfox said...

Extreme responses by Israel are certainly nothing new but in this case there seems to be very little doubt that Washington is calling the shocking and awesome shots.

But regardless of whether Iran has deliberately stirred this pot, the scale of retalliation or the civilian body count that goes with it will certainly alter the agenda at the G8 and further widen the gap between the US and all the major players in Europe. It will also replace rather than emphasize the Iranian question.

Much has been made of Germany's statement that Israel certainly had a right to take some kind of action but there was not nor will there likely be anything but a stern rebuff from them on such a particularly heavy handed response.

The image of Netanyahu trying to repress his gloating satisfaction and not very well, while telling the press that 9/11 was "very good... I mean it is very bad... but it is very good for Israel..." still echoes in my mind as does the still unexplained round-up and deportation of over 100 Israeli agents in New York right after 9/11, or the van full of what turned out to be cheering Mossad agents arrested as they watched the towers burn from right across the river.

The degree of involvement and collusion that exists between the extremists in power in Israel and the extremists in Washington needs to be seen for the outright conspiracy that it is.

Virtually all of US' "foreign aid" goes to Israel and primarily in the form of military hardware and support. All those billions in US taxdollars go directly into the very deep pockets of the US defence industries.

Insofar as the Muslims in the Middle East are concerned the so-called Israeli jets that fly unchallenged overhead are American made jets that shoot American made shells and drop American made bombs on them. American made tanks pulverize their homes and American made bulldozers clear away the wreckage that has been made of their lives.

As for Shrubster's question about any differences between the US and Israel? Irrespective of any and all other human concerns of any description, there is one both nations share that trumps them all...

"Business is business!"

7/14/2006 10:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not a tv person, but catching a panoply of networks last night was astonished at the brazen nature of the propaganda. All this "Iran smoke" can only lead to fire. Who wags whom?

You may want to top off your gas tanks. $3/gallon may seem like "the olden days" soon enough.

And on a side note...imagine the possibilities for shorting the market, if you knew that this was about to happen...naaaah, nobody would do that....sorry to even mention it.

7/14/2006 11:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To "Arthur Gilroy:"

You may want to check out 'Antiwar.com.' They do a pretty good job of reading the Orwellian tea leaves, as well.

Why, just today Raimondo wrote about "pouring molten hot editorials down the throats of the opposition." Now there's an image!

7/14/2006 11:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zinedine Zidane's head butt

Mumbai's deadly train bombs

Israel's smashing Lebanon infrastructure and killing people

Startled, at a loss of words, demanding to know why

7/14/2006 11:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Avalon said...

Jeff, I'm sorry to hear you're not feeling well. Is Zicam available in Canada? I'm agnostic about a lot of homeopathic meds, but I've had tremendous success in having Zicam tamping down colds before they've gotten established, and I suspect it might help shorten this one.

7/14/2006 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff, been dutifully reading you for a couple of years now. Don't know why I decided to finally comment now. Just thought I'd speak up and say 'you rock'. Out of all the bazillions of blogs I've come across, this is the one I've settled into as a daily ritual. Awesome writing, reporting and thinking... Keep it up!

7/14/2006 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger sunny said...

On a purely selfish note, I have begged my 24 yr. old son to solemnly swear he will go to prison before allowing himself to be sent to the ME to kill or be killed. He has 2 very small children. Would those tiny girls be better off after their father has spent years in prison? Or after he has spent several months witnessing atrocities? The answer is clear, and he has so sworn.

Also clear- there will be a draft very soon. Can you feel it?

7/14/2006 01:05:00 PM  
Anonymous airdrawndagger said...

Don't forget that there is an upcoming AIPAC espionage trial in August.

7/14/2006 01:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i have a jewish friend who is trying to justify the israeli attacks to me with some sort of "they started it" line. how could i possibly get through to someone like that? he is a smart and compassionate guy but he still cant see that the israeli response is way out of proportion?

7/14/2006 02:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Buck Fush said...

TIME FOR THE EVENTUAL SOLUTION
All we need to do, is to appease all parties involved...ie the Neocons, Zionists, the true semetic peoples, AIPAC, GOP, and all those legitimate resistance fighters err, I mean the "terrists". Bring all "isreali squatters & settlers here to the USA. They can continue to set up shop in NYC or snowbird down in FLA, LA, Texas and any of the RED states they want. I would suggest the alledgedly judeo-christian loving bible belt area. They won't mind a few more religious people down there.
This eliminates any need for the billions per year we spend to create the big bad IDF, who without US $$$ support would not be so brazen. Eliminating any onflict in middle east also saves the cash being spent on fighting the IRAQ war for Isreal and eliminates the need to go to IRAN for Isreal. With the cash saved not fighting over there we can save our Economy and probably leverage a good deal on oil prices from a very appreciative OPEC.

7/14/2006 02:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Buck Fush said...

I an an idiot who raelly maent to spell Izrael rong. Need Spell Cheque. I raelly feal dum
Sorry but at laest i am kosistent

7/14/2006 02:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What will it take to make people wake up and do something about Israel and their disproportionate influence in this country?! When will we take a really good look at the underlying reason that makes the Israeli's behave like this.....go right to the "root kernel" as it were?! There we will find that there is a problem with the "code" that drives these people, a "code" that is incompatible with the rest of the civilized world, a "code" that has existed for centuries....a profoundly skewed world outlook.

The grand irony is the immense stupidity of most Israeli's...they don't realize that their "country" is being sold down the river. They are their own worse enemies.

7/14/2006 02:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

The 'Code' that drives 'those people' in Israel is no different than the code driving pretty much everyone in the 'Civilized World'. The idea that, because of one's race or religion or nationality or economic position, one is seperior to all other groups. Let's not pretend that this is a madness specific to 'those people'.

7/14/2006 03:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

Immense stupidity is also no respecter of national or ideological boundaries.

7/14/2006 03:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It bears noting that the " blunt-force deep attacks on Lebanese infrastructure" include only methods of transporting the Israeli hostages out of the area. The reason for the attacks on roads, bridges, and runways is to prevent the removal of the Israeli soldiers from the immediate area, and are thusly justified.

That said, however, I believe you have nailed the motive quite well. I remeber it being reported that these manuevers into Gaza were planned long before the soldiers were killed and kidnapped this past week.

That said -

7/14/2006 03:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

Disclaimer:
My above comments do not in any way reflect approval for the actions of the state of Israel, which I find reprehensible. I just think it's a profound mistake to think that it's alone in it's insanity.

7/14/2006 03:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mojo Filter writes:

I am going to eschew poetry for the moment, and attempt to address the issue(s) of this string in a straightforwardly prosaic manner.

In order to understand the who, one must understand the why, and vice versa. It’s a knotty kind of chicken/egg dilemma, but I will attempt to tease out some meaningful threads from this more than Gordian knot. One thing is for certain, in sure as hell ain’t “just business.”

These are my own musings, not some cut and paste collection of diatribes. If you find it of value, please allow it to be posted in this string. If not, c’est la vie.

It is a very old story, going back to pharaonic Egypt, ancient Mesopotamia and the so-called Babylonian mystery religions, around the time of the writing of the Jewish Talmud. But we need not go back so far in time to get a pretty good grasp of things in the present day. As both Arabs and Hebrews are Semitic peoples, and their two languages share almost identical root vocabularies, they are certainly natural brothers and sisters. It is tragic to see them pitted against one another by what can only be termed “forces of evil.”

You may know that modern banking had its beginnings with Jewish goldsmiths and money lenders in medieval Europe, and with the Knights Templar during the Crusades, which started in 1099, and led to the horrifically bloody sacking of Jerusalem, where the Christians fighting in Jesus’ name made the streets run deep with blood, up to the horses’ knees, by eyewitness accounts in the historical record. This, in the city of all three monotheistic religions, where muslims and jews had peacefully and productively co-existed for nearly 500 years.

A few centuries after the first sacking of Jerusalem, back in England and France, the Templars and Knights Hospitalliers who occupied the Temple Mount formed the basis of Freemasonry, which was from its beginnings permeated with Jewish Kabbalism, harking back to the crusaders’ occupation of the site of the former temple of Solomon. Masons believe that their mythological founder, Hiram Abiff, was killed protecting the Urim wa Thummim, the original Talmudic / Kaballist “dice” or crystals by use of which the Babylonian Talmudic priesthood claim to discern the “will of God.”

Skipping a couple thousand years of very interesting and complex history, by the 15-16th centuries, most of Europe, Asia Minor and the New World was run via two main banking City-States, the sovereignties of Genoa and Venice. There were certainly other players, as in Greece and Russia, but this much detail is enough for our discussion. So, for example, the Venetians provided intelligence and funds to support the muslim sacking of Constantinople in 1453. Under the Turks the city became Istanbul, capital of the Ottoman Empire, & the Venetians continued to help finance the Ottomans.

Using their parallel role as central bankers / lenders to the Hapsburgs, rulers of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Venetians played both empires off one another for further profits. The competing Genoese bankers held sway over Burgundy/France and the Swiss, as well as Portugal and Spain under Ferdinand and Isabella, and thus also the New World colonies.

By 1660 the two city-states formed a joint venture, the Venetia-Genoese Levant Company, controlling the opium trade with China by funding both the British and Dutch East India Companies. Thru the “triangle trade” they enslaved China, colonized India & the Far East.

Controlling with money the weapons of war, & thus the North, Central & South American colonies, the empires of North Africa and the Middle East (all later to become colonies themselves), and all the kingdoms and fledgling nation-states of Europe, the Venetians and Genoese ruled most of the known world by financial proxy and wars financed with drug money. Even today the illegal drug trade exceeds that of oil in dollars, and is double the automobile business.

Under the Stuart restoration in England this joint venture became the Bank of England. It is still today England’s privately-owned central bank. It is owned by very few interlocking families, many of whom are also the owner/founders of the U.S. Federal Reserve, which is also a private company, and which charges the U.S. government interest to “loan” it what is actually its own money. So already you can see that banking, war, and drug smuggling constitute an unholy triad that is several centuries old. Intimately interwoven, they are inextricable to this day. And all involve extreme exploitation of human beings in the quest for dominance and control ~ over people, money, commodities, land, minds and spirits.

The City of London, formerly the Corporation of London, a.k.a. the Mile – for its one square mile of territory, is a sovereignty within a sovereignty, like Vatican City. This smaller London, privately owned, wherein also resides the separately owned Temples and Inns of Court (originally the Inns of the Knights Templar and Hospitallier) where to this day all lawyers and judges in England must be trained, eat, and reside for several years, together with New York City, form the two capitals of world finance today.

All money either revolves around or flows through these two centers of massive monetary and temporal power, with a help from offshore client centers like Hong Kong, Britain’s former colony, and Panama, ours, Dubai, and a few others. Just as the drug revenues of the East India Companies provided the funds for earlier wars of empire, the heroin production in Vietnam and Afghanistan and Colombian cocaine, to name a few, continue to fund much of the war making of the US. It is fascinating to note that the plot line of the Johnny Depp “Pirates of the Caribbean” films seems to be in some way meant to sanitize and exalt the role of the “East India Company.” Media manipulation runs deep.

A little about the Jesuits via flashback. The Jesuits were founded by Roman Catholic priest Ignatius Loyola, to serve as an espionage fraternity, when he was in the thrall of the Contarini family of Venetian banker in the early 1500’s. Many Jesuits today are still spies, and many of them are now active ‘satanists’ too. The pedophilia in the Catholic Church is not some random occurence, it is systemic, though not limited to the Jesuits by any means. The Jesuits are simply a 500 year old espionage agency with fluid loyalties that don’t always include the Vatican.

There is almost certainly a deeper connection, especially among Catholics, between pedophilia and satanism, that goes back millenia. How it became institutionalized together in the priesthood on a socio-psychological level seems relatively self-evident. The combination of the power dynamic of priests who assume or are accorded ‘divine’ authority together with celibacy and cloistering is a fatal one. Means, motive, and opportunity, 1,2,3.

Variations on this dynamic may account for some of the origins of the connection between pedophilia, satanism, and espionage. Again it has to do with the nature of being “above the law,” by operating outside of any law, and in the dark, so to speak, and of making a career of deception. Besides that, sex is so often used as a tool to compromise politicians, agents, merchants, whomever. Most political theory written over the past three centuries deals with it explicitly, and the practice goes back millenia before Mata Hari to Cleopatra.

It may help clarify things to know that for some men, especially predatory, power hungry men in the generally honorless culture of the West, that secret societies like the Bohemian Club, and Skull & Bones (the real name of which is the Order of Death), serve to enforce a bond of pseudo-“honor’ among thieves.’ One should add ‘and killers’....... For such men ~ who seek power in or out of government, power to rule others, to conquer countries at will, & who utter phoney pieties about “freedom and democracy” or “human rights,” lies used as cover while they destroy those very ideals and wage savage genocidal wars that are engines for drug smuggling, weapons profiteering, natural resource plundering, and human trafficking of the most sordid sorts (including child prostitution) ~ who can such men trust?

Each one of these vile men and their multitude of crimes is more abominable than the next.

For those ‘born’ to rule, their initiations into the sado-masochist world of the power elite often come at the hands of their cold parents, or in boarding schools when they are very young and vulnerable. For others it begins in college, or it simply continues there, where the harrowing initations into these secret societies make even the worst fraternity hazing pale by comparison. Way beyond garden variety humiliation, or even a cholo gang rape.

Whether by dint of their birth, or because of some noted talent or desired characteristics, people destined or chosen for the upper levels of temporal power are joined together in these secret societies where they are enticed, goaded, and coerced into sharing moral and sexual depravities, and eventually unspeakably violent, and ultimately fatal acts against innocent victims. This is not merely to get their rocks off and stoke the furnaces of lust for blood and gold, but to create (ironically, and oxymoronically) bonds of “trust” among them as a form of protection. Like in a crime gang where committing murder is the entry ticket.

This is the nature of political and economic power as it is actually practiced by the ruling elite in the modern world. So they continue to commit such depravities, sometimes against each other for domination, as part of ritualistic requirements of the orders, and because it becomes addictive to them.

It is a natural path of descent into deeper darkness, though in earlier eras, male homosexual pedophilia was an accepted behavior among the upper classes. Today, behind closed doors, it still is. Even though, overtly, society at large properly recognizes it for the abomination that it is, there is a cultural push to sexualize children of both genders as objects for adults.

And many public figures, politicians, agents, right and left wingers, or middle of the road, are ardent practitioners not merely of pedophilia, but particularly of a ritualistic, ‘satanic’ pedophilia that is both homo-& heterosexual. Hard to believe. Sickeningly repulsive, it is virtually “unthinkable.” And that certainly serves to provide some of its most effective cover. Charles Baudelaire wrote that the greatest trick that Evil ever played on humanity is in getting people not to believe that it exists. Wise words, ironically written from one inflicted with the very sickness of it himself.

Certain Freemason orders and degrees are sadly the same. Today the ranking 1 or 2 % are either “satanists,” doing evil for evil’s sake, or Luciferians who worship “Lucifer” as the deity, and believe they are actually doing good by sowing evil and chaos. Their meme of Ordo Ab Chaos is a Kabbalist doctrine, which was enunciated rather clearly in the 20th century by J.F.H. Fuller, the German general/occultist/military historian. Lucifer is known as the “light-bearer”, hence the Illuminist label, and “Illuminati.”

The Luciferian part is explicit in some orders in perhaps the top 10 % of degrees. Renown Masonic scholar of the 19th century, Albert Pike, wrote extensively about how the “true gnostics” of masonry, the leaders, needed to deceive even the overwhelming majority of their masonic brethren about the actual nature of masonry and its worship of Lucifer. That is why they run children’s hospitals, for example. It is so bizarre it really takes awhile to accept, but the primary documentary evidence is overwhelmingly convincing. The CIA was founded and is run today by Skull&Bones men. Skull & Bones is an elite “illuminist” order of Freemasonry that dates back to 1832.

In their initiations, Bonesmen and all Masons swear to submit to decapitation, dismember-ment and disembowelment if they ever reveal any of the secrets of their lodges, or if they ever betray their brethren. They give their oath to the head of the order as Supreme Judge. The oath these men take swears them to total, eternal, irrevocable allegiance, above any other duties, even to their spouses or to their children, or to God. And Lucifer is their idol.

Know that. It is in all of Pike’s writings. Even the Templars took the severed head of John the Baptist from his tomb when they sacked Jerusalem and set it up in their priory south of Paris where they worshipped it as “Baphomet,” a goat-headed idol and another name of “Satan.” Whether or not you or I believe in this stuff does not matter one whit. They believe in it. And they act on it.

The two main “rites” of American freemasonry originated in England and France, two traditional faux ‘enemies’ who still keep a simmering level of warfare going via different strains of Masonry and the EU / Pound Sterling currency battles. While there are masonic grand lodges in about 120 countries, two other main centers are in Jerusalem and in the state of Bavaria in Germany.

Skull & Bones is actually an offshoot of the Bavarian “illuminati” order of masonry that was founded by Adam Weishaupt on May 1, 1776. He was a Jewish lad who became a Jesuit priest (no kidding), university professor, and spy. His group had as its recorded goal the overthrow of all religions and all of the monarchies of Europe, and the establishment of a world goverment. They are the masonic progenitors of Skull&Bones.

The original funding for Skull and Bones came from the Russell family’s early 19th century opium smuggling operations in Asia. They ranked number three in the drug trade behind the British and Dutch East India Companies, but number one in the U.S. S&B is actually a tax free corporation, the Russell Trust. They’ve been selling weapons, drugs, trafficking in human lives, and overthrowing governments for 200 years. They also hold the exclusive right to appoint all directors of the Yale Corporation, the entity that owns Yale University. Yale, whose shield reads Lux et Veritas (light and truth) in Latin, and Urim wa Thummim in Hebrew.

The real centers of power for the whole illuminist cabal, the puppet masters behind the Bush and Blair and Merkel puppets, reside in certain elite banking families, like the Rothschilds, who, generally directing a dozen or so families, run the central banks of England, Europe, Israel, the US. It was to Lord Walter Lionel Rothschild whom Lord Alfred Balfour conveyed the title to Palestine under the Balfour Declaration. Rothschild, who financed Chaim Weizman and the corporation that was the World Zionist Federation.

The known history of the Rothschild family begins with Amschel Mayer Bauer from Frankfurt, who later renamed himself Rothschild and designed his family a coat of arms. He was a gold dealer, pawn broker and thus “banker” who had five sons who established banks in five European principalities, Frankfort, Geneva, Paris, London. I am forgetting for the moment the fifth. Google “Rothschild timeline” for a fairly complete history.

One theorist claims the infamous (one must say “infamous,” mustn’t one?) Protocols were actually written by Amshcel Mayer Bauer to be used as a manifesto and game plan by Weishaupt, prior to fomenting the French Revolution.

The Rothschild’s own the land on which the Israeli Supreme Court and the Knesset, their parliament, sits. Their architects designed the buildings and they financed and constructed them without Israeli government involvement. The Supreme Court has 33 levels, a pyramid with an “eye” window on top, and the image of an upside down cross embedded in a walkway where it is the only religious symbol in the building to be trod upon. Photos of all of this are readily available on the web.

Examine the real history of most wars in the world. You will find that it begins and ends in the hands of those who control the money supply, and who most often have financed both sides of any given conflict. It is no less true in the United States. They simply loan more money to the side they want to win, then raise interest rates or just withhold any further credit to the side they want to lose. It is all a game for dominance.

But then what? Aye, there’s the rub...

Theories abound. Look up the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and the “Lucifer Project.” A new star in the sky, formerly the planet Saturn, man-made by illuminist masonic planetary engineers might be just what the Rothschild ordered to anoint the crowning of their own designated “world king.” Kind of gives the transnational totalitarianism growing all around us a bright and shiny sheen of newness and wonder, don’t it? I, for one, do not claim to know their real plan. But it is something to ponder.

This barely scratches the surface, truly. It was hard to edit down from three times this much material. Sorry if it’s “All too much,” as George Harrison sung. But that’s the way it appears to be from my perch.

The war financiers always profit. That is why they fund and control both sides. So, yes, it’s about business. But not solely, by any means. These folks, the Illuminist Mason / Bonesmen / Bankers are not just money and power-mad, gun and bomb dealing, drug smuggling, slave trading, child pimping psychopaths, though they are certainly all of the above. [When you think about it, it does sort of explain why we haven’t made a whole lot of social evolutionary progress as a species in the last couple of hundred years or so].

They have a further agenda. Their sorry vision of “paradise” on earth. Or, maybe they are just playing out the dark side of a cosmic/historical dance and they are the designated “bad guys.” Where are the men in white hats now? Yet, I’m afraid this very kind of dichotomy would be yet another false ploy, meant to suck us into the waiting arms of a false savior, working on behalf of the same madmen.

Over to you, Jeff.

7/14/2006 04:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff, here's a tried and true remedy for a head cold/flu/grippe.

Raw garlic and or raw onion. Just bite into 'em and chew em up and let the juice flow and run while you breathe the fumes. You don't have to swallow the vegetable matter if you don't want to.

Both contain scads of different lysozymes, those are enzymes that actually attack and lyse, or cut open, the viral capsules of a host of rhinoviri and other cold and flu causing germs.

I have used it for years and it works almost invariably. Of course, it's best to do it right at the beginning when you feel the symptoms coming on.

For my kids, I would make toast, and slather it with mayo and put a slice of raw onion in the middle and just ask them to suffer through one or two bites. They di so, because they knew it worked.

It does. They've got to be raw, though, because cooking denatures (unfolds) the protein which forms the lysozymes and, unfolded, they are inert as far as any anti-microbial action. All that's left then is the flavor.

7/14/2006 05:20:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

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For an example of what you'll find at AWOT, and because it's a singularly brilliant refutation of this terrible danger to us all, I'm going to post this:

FRIDAY REVIEW: THE ANTIWAR POSITION REVISITED
The raison d’etre of the war on terror is that it makes us safer. Security, however, is never an end in itself, it is only worthwhile as a means to other ends. We can only measure different security arguments against these ends. For instance, we know that in domestic politics, security is supposed to be a means to liberty, or living a free life. Since demands for security can have authoritarian consequences, we do not accept all of them, and we are, or at least should be, critical of them. We expect there to be some criteria by which we distinguish between real and unreal threats, and between policies that sacrifice too much liberty to security.

The problem with the war on terror, is that it makes security an end in itself. It doesn’t even admit of external principles against which we can distinguish rational and irrational demands. Any act that makes us feel safer is presumed to be justified. Logically speaking, an enemy does not even have to exist. All that has to exist is a perception of threat for a security demand to be seen as valid. This eliminates any rational grounds for criticism because the only standard left is not the materiality of the threat, or the value of security in relation to other principles, but simply our, or really our politicians’, feelings. So in the domestic sphere, we are asked to trade whatever liberty is necessary to make us safe, rather than recognize that some demands for security are unjustified or unnecessary because they have no rational purpose – they do not actually make us safer.

Within our own society, we at least recognize an alternative principle – liberty – against which to measure and criticize different demands for security. But when it comes to international relations it is unclear what the analogous principles are. It is that the antiwar position has failed to come up with an adequately powerful set of arguments. As we have written here before, it is insufficient and potentially problematic to be merely against the war in Iraq, but not against the war on terror. One reason is that the focus on the war on Iraq has lead to an overemphasis on problems that appear specific to that war, and therefore failed to develop properly principled positions. Much of the opposition has focused on the dishonesty, venality, and criminality of the war. Even as criticisms of the Iraq War, these arguments are insufficient:

Lies: It is true that Bush lied, but had he not lied the war still would have been wrong. Even if Saddam had possessed large stocks of biological and chemical weapons, and even if he
had been seeking nuclear weapons, he would not have posed anything like an immediate threat to the United States. This was the leader of an incredibly weak country, ravaged by ten years of sanctions, and unable even to mobilize his soldiers for symbolic military exercises, let alone some kind of attack on the United States.

Corruption: It is also true that there is all kinds of venal, war-profiteering amongst Bush's corporate friends. But this, too, would not be an argument against the war if the war had been necessary.

Illegality: Likewise, it is true that the war was illegal. But calling into question the legality of the war, on its own, does not challenge the important political questions: was Saddam a threat, was this war necessary, and when is it appropriate to violate the sovereignty of another nation?

The fundamental problem with this war was that it was the unjustified violation of Iraqi sovereignty.

Nor is this a matter of Iraq alone. The deeper problem with just critiquing the Iraq War is that the overarching war on terror is left unaddressed. The war on terror is presupposed as a background to the debate, rather than brought to the fore as the central issue for us to discuss. Yet it is relevant even for the Iraq War. Why were people so willing to believe that Saddam was a threat given that he clearly was not? It is not so much that the public was manipulated, but that the Iraq debate was and is deeply interwoven with the war on terror itself. This means that all debate takes place in a climate of fear, in which to challenge any particular claim - like Saddam is a threat - is also to challenge the underlying premise that even the most remote and undefined threats must be assailed 'pre-emptively'.

Here is where a critique of the war on terror is simply unavoidable, and where the need for a set of political principles for assessing global affairs is necessary. Having mainly substituted cynicism for criticism, the antiwar position has left us sorely lacking. When considering just the international dimensions of the war on terror, the alternative principles, against which we can measure security demands, are self-determination and sovereignty. The defense of self-determination abroad derives from the same commitment to freedom and democracy at home. Every nation is capable of becoming a democratic society, but only if it is allowed to determine for itself the shape of its own institutions. Only in this way do their institutions become expressions of their own, collective will. Democratic liberties are only won when they are seized by the people themselves. But for this process of self-determination to take place, then the sovereignty, or territorial integrity and political independence, of these nations must be respected. Sovereignty is instrumental to self-determination. Non-intervention must be the norm. (Of course, the erosion of sovereignty did not begin with Bush).

If sovereignty is the norm, then that means powerful nations, like the United States, cannot invade or otherwise intervene in the affairs of others states whenever it feels worried, or has a hunch about some potential security threat. The threat must be imminent, real and over-powering. Security as a reason for war is only potentially justified when it is in self-defense because survival is a precondition for self-determination: a society cannot determine its fate if it is about to be invaded and destroyed, as the Iraqis and Afghanis now well know. That there is some possibility, some 'unknown unknowns' in the words of Donald Rumsfeld, is not a good reason for war. Iraqi sovereignty should not have been violated. Wars whose justification is simply that some other state *might* someday be threatening, or *might* have some weapons, is simply an invitation for powerful states to act on whatever hunch it might have, with no rational limitations on its actions. It is a prescription for permanent war. If we accept sovereignty as a norm, and self-determination as the principle we are aiming at, then we at least possess a rational standard for assessing, and criticizing, various justifications for war. Having a 'bad feeling about things' is not enough.

Finally, as we have mentioned before, a defense of self-determination and sovereignty is not merely important for what happens internationally and in other countries. By rejecting the idea that the state can go to war to address even the most unfounded and speculative of fears, we also impose restraints on our own government. That is to say, we defend our own process of self-determination, by rejecting our government's attempt to impose a permanent state of war and suspend domestic politics. In this way, by defending sovereignty we allow other nations to retain some of their own political autonomy, and we recover some of our own democratic agency. We must develop the principles that allow us to break free from the politics of fear, suspicion, and irrational conjecture.
POSTED BY EDITORS AT 2/24/2006 09:16:00 AM

Also of interest are the writings of Grover Furr and, of course, the godfather of pan-dimensionality, Robert Anton Wilson

7/14/2006 05:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would like to comment on Mojo's long, but relevant post.

Reading the G.D. manual, the authors state that they believe Lucifer to be God's lieutenant. A figure that helps man evolve by challenging him with progressively more difficult amounts of knowledge to master, while simultaneously tempting him to stray from righteous pursuits. Thus, spiritual victories would be meaningless if they did not entail a victory over Lucifer, which is theoretically simple enough, use knowledge for good, and avoid falling prey to temptation, but is harder in practice due to our fallible human nature.

It might be that these elites view themselves as necessary agents of Lucifer, sent to tempt mankind until mankind learns to beat the temptation. I mean, let's face it. There would be no drug revenues if nobody used drugs, or if people created their own supply and refused to allow confiscations.

And I think they also subscribe to Social Darwinist and Order of the 9 angles theories of "culling" the weak as a necessary act. Of course, the weak cull themselves by being weak to begin with, in their view. The suckers who are born every minute.

Good post, Mojo.

7/14/2006 05:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can you feel it heating up? Casus belli coming up!

Headlines from Antiwar.com

Iran: 'Fierce Response' if Israel Strikes Syria
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/738315.html

Iran denies Israel fears that soldiers head to Iran

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L13865884.htm

7/14/2006 07:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A rather comprehensive exegesis.

The "igniting Saturn" meme has been floating around for a while (although it used to be Jupiter). Not sure if 76 pounds of Plutonium is enough to ignite a planet, but nice mental image. Is this Malachi Martin's event which, as he wrote in 'Keys of This Blood,' would "fission human history," an event which would be seen from everywhere on Earth, would particularly involve our human Sun, and which the Pope (JPII) was "waiting for?" Well, the Pope didn't make it, but possibly such an engineered strophe would qualify. Of course, there was that bit Martin included about the Sun being seen as the Lady of Revelation, surrounded by circumambient glory, but of course he was a Jesuit, and a pareti, to boot.

This afternoon the NY Times had a picture in their on-line front page which showed Israeli soldiers firing into Lebanon. The sky was blood red, as if the soldiers were fighting in some unearthly, hellish environment. Quite a lens filter to achieve that effect. Of course, nothing like the filter which is selectively applied to the media.

"There was a touch of insanity in the proceeding, a sense of lugubrious drollery in the sight; and it was not dissipated by somebody on board assuring me earnestly there was a camp of natives -- he called them enemies! -- hidden out of sight somewhere."
Joseph Conrad, 'Heart of Darkness'

7/14/2006 08:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Jeff,

I am sorry to hear of your head-cold. In addition to Anonymous @ 5:20's pescription of garlic, perhaps this cure-all recipe will do the trick for you:

Boil a stick of cinnamon with a handfull of cloves in a quart of water for about 10 minutes. Remove from the fire, crush about one tablespoon of fresh ginger and add it to this tea; let it steep for about 10 more minutes. Strain into a mug, flavour with lemon juice and honey, and serve hot.

I works wonders to supress a cough should you be so afflicted.

7/14/2006 09:10:00 PM  
Blogger foist lastus said...

off topic - i tried to post on the frigorousintuitionfrm
i went thru the login procedure, and when i tried to post i get this message...

You must be an administrator of this ezboard to post in this forum.

any suggestions ?

I will post what i desire to post in relation to morgellons disease...

I read some where of a wizerdly response about some root or vegetable that could be eaten that caused the morgellons pathogeon to be expelled from body before it could take root - any references ?

7/14/2006 09:56:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

foist lastus, sounds like you were trying to post in the archived, read-only section. Posting only happens under the "Discussion Areas" header, and mostly in "Open Discussion #2."

7/14/2006 10:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."
Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, in his eulogy for U.S. Jewish settler Baruch Goldstein, who in 1994 massacred 27 Palestinians praying in the Hebron mosque.

7/14/2006 11:01:00 PM  
Anonymous jules said...

Before the cold war ended and esp in my mid teens I used to dream about the end of the world.

Or somehow 'survivng' it. And the aftermath.

"The sky was blood red, as if the soldiers were fighting in some unearthly, hellish environment. Quite a lens filter to achieve that effect. Of course, nothing like the filter which is selectively applied to the media."

One day in the early 90s I had a dream about a nucular war. I woke up to a phone call that a mate had died, and this dream I actually died as I woke up so its a bit of a connection thingee. The dream was v much like an independant aussie film "Smoke em if ya got em".

About a party to the death in a fallout shelter in Melbourne, after ww3. great movie, if a little bleak.

The weird thing is the connection between red sky and knowing TSHTF in a seriously bad way.

The last red sky dream was in 2001. That was effing freaky too. Just a red cloudy sky and some massive pyramid entity (I know how sad that sounds believe me) speaking in incredibly deep tones, the sort you don't hear so much as pick up through your feet.

I woke up that morning (it was Australia Day 26/1/01 to the news that an earthquake had happened in India, and that 100000 people were estimated to be dead. I have never heard any follow up. But that arvo I saw the weirdest thing in the North Western sky, in the general direction of India, possibly. I have not found any follow up or refs to that earthquake on the 24 25 or 26 of Jan 2001 since 2003, when I last looked for one and couldn't find it. Had a brief search online after the Boxing Day Tsunami...

So anyway the red sky and the end of the world...

This red is not the same as the red sunsets that are so spectacular and common in this part of the world - skys that look like they have been spray painted metallic scarlet. They are more bloody and dripping, if that metaphor makes any sense.

I am not into prophecy, but this one freaks me out for some reason.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/redskies.html

Its called the Red Sky Prophecy and is interesting.

The guy who's "Grandpa" had the vision referred to in the prophecy has this website.

http://www.trackerschool.com/

Given the correlation between end time prophecy, mind control MK style, supernatural visitation and the like that appears on the board, I am wondering about this guy. But at the same time that prophecy makes a lot of sense, and expresses the same sentiment of many romantic pre greenie British poets of about 150 years ago.

7/15/2006 12:22:00 AM  
Blogger Real History Lisa said...

Damn, Jeff. You never cease to impress. I just have this gut feeling we'll be at war with Iran before Bush leaves office. (And if Bush had his way, that would be his excuse for NOT leaving office, as if another war wouldn't be horrible enough).

I truly hadn't thought this far on the Israeli-Lebanon conflict. But what you say is ringing a lot of bells in my truth meter. It feels true.

7/15/2006 12:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ex-Bush Aide Fatally Shoots Son, Himself
Gunfire at McLean Home Followed Fight With Wife

By Tom Jackman and Stephanie McCrummen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, July 15, 2006; B01



A former Bush administration official, after arguing violently with his wife Thursday night, shot and killed his 12-year-old son inside their McLean home, then turned a shotgun on himself and committed suicide, Fairfax County police said.

William H. Lash III, 45, was an assistant secretary of commerce from 2001 until last year, then returned to teach at George Mason University Law School in Arlington, where he had begun as a professor in 1994. His wife, Sharon K. Zackula, fled the house before the shootings, and police said yesterday they were not sure what ignited the murder-suicide in a first-floor bedroom.

Friends and neighbors described Lash as devoted to his only child, William H. Lash IV, who was autistic. Will Lash had just completed sixth grade at Haycock Elementary School in the Falls Church area, Fairfax school officials said. The father and son could often be seen side by side on the swing set in their back yard, one neighbor said, and the pair often attended Washington Nationals baseball games...

Lash's résumé was long and quintessential of the Washington elite -- an Ivy League pedigree, high-powered law firms, a presidential appointment, think tanks, boards of directors, guest spots on television news programs, and prestigious university positions.

He had an undergraduate degree from Yale University, a law degree from Harvard University. He clerked for a New Jersey Supreme Court justice. He served as counsel to the chairman of the U.S. International Trade Commission during the Reagan years, worked for the law firm of Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver & Jacobson and served on the boards of directors of private and publicly traded corporations. In 1994, he found a place in academia on the GMU law faculty.

He specialized in the arcana of business law there and earned a reputation as a generous and jovial cigar-smoking colleague, an approachable professor and a sharp-minded and willing debater of ideology.

"He was a wonderful colleague, lively and full of ideas, full of energy," Polsby said. "I would describe him as an engaged and articulate person, not at all the sort of person whose last act would be what it appears to have been."

Polsby said "there was nothing" to suggest that Lash was troubled.

Lash took a leave from the law school in 2001, when President Bush appointed him assistant secretary of commerce for market access and compliance. Among his duties at the Commerce Department, Lash headed a task force on the reconstruction of Iraq, in which he dealt with businesses seeking contracts.

In a statement, U.S. Secretary of Commerce Carlos M. Gutierrez said: "Bill was a passionate, committed and hard working individual who was much loved and respected by his colleagues. . . . He was a vivacious, expansive, and tenacious Assistant Secretary."

Lash resigned the post last year and returned to GMU. He also was a senior adviser to the Brunswick Group LLC, a firm specializing in corporate public relations.

A few weeks ago, he had dinner at his house with a Mason colleague, Todd J. Zywicki, whose office was next door. Zywicki said he detected no signs of trouble that night, not even in retrospect.

"I'm just stunned," Zywicki said yesterday. "He loved his son so much. He really loved his son . . . and he did everything for him."

It was the impression Lash left on most everyone.

"I have no explanation," said Michael Krauss, another GMU colleague. "There are people who seem troubled, but I never would have thought that about Bill Lash. Never."

Lash was born and raised in New Jersey, where his parents still live. They declined to comment yesterday.

Zackula, a lawyer with the National Association of Securities Dealers, could not be located yesterday.

7/15/2006 12:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Alan Strangis said...

Once again, you clearly stated what many of us are thinking.

7/15/2006 01:30:00 AM  
Anonymous jon said...

mojo,

i've been a catholic all of my life, studied at a (catholic)seminary for two years and--having met many a jesuit in my time--NEVER saw the shit you're talking about, especially this particular load:

"There is almost certainly a deeper connection, especially among Catholics, between pedophilia and satanism..."

what a bunch of crock. i take into consideration much of what i read on this blog *until* it gets to the big, bad 'jesuit connection' (something mr. wells has never claimed anyway) because after all of my research, it just makes for bad historical revisionism and throws smoke into the eyes of an honest seeker. consider what renegades like malachi martin wrote--he *clearly* expressed his disagreement with the church in "The Decline and Fall of the Church of Rome" and outed the jesuits in their war with the vatican in "The Jesuits", so it's hard to paint him as a collaborator or disinformationist, yet he never mentions your satan-jesuit link anywhere. why?

don't misunderstand me, however: the church hierarchy has sick members and is probably shot thru-and-thru with P2 masons and Red Brigade sympathizers, CIA collaborators and whatnot, but that doesn't mean that catholicism is not a strong force for good in the world. just tonight i read that the vatican has strongly condemned israel for its actions. even if one argues that that is all for show, it *still* makes a statement to the common american catholic who might otherwise believe that being pro-israel is as american as mom's apple pie.

"The pedophilia in the Catholic Church is not some random occurence, it is systemic..."

proof? give me a tangible reference that this is a 2,000 year old phenomenon and NOT a random occurence and i'll quit my affiliation with the church *this sunday*. afterall, this forum is called RIGOROUS intuition, not name-the-usual-myths-and-see-if-i-can-get-away-with-it.

7/15/2006 01:39:00 AM  
Anonymous jon said...

btw--anyone see the story about an envelope sent to the NY Times with faux-anthrax in it? not-too-subtle there, mr cheney...

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002839853

7/15/2006 01:44:00 AM  
Anonymous jon said...

interestingly,

"The envelope also included an editorial with an 'X' through it. A Times spokeswoman, Catherine Mathis, told E&P that the editorial was the June 28, 2006 defense of the newspaper deciding to run its controversial 'Swift' banking records surveillance story."

7/15/2006 01:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Sepka the Space Weasel said...

War with Iran is unavoidable. The only choice is whether we wait until they have an atom bomb and attack us first, or whether we strike pre-emptively.

-Sepka the Space Weasel

7/15/2006 02:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mojo Filter writes, Part Two:

Dear Jon, You must not have read much of Malachi Martin. He wrote several books about the Catholic/satanist connection. Start with his last book "Windswept House." It is 600 pages on exactly that topic, and it is quite explicit. If you've ever listened to any interviews he gave, he was quite clear that the book was written as fiction in order to protect himself from retribution.

At the time of his demise he had stated that he was well into writing a non-fiction book on the same topic, as it related to what he also termed the New World Order. The manuscript, his notes and outlines, all disappeared.

To be clear, I do not in any way subscribe to the "Jesuits are behind it all" smokescreen. Quite the contrary. But they certainly have had significant historical roles in a host of unsavory shennanigans. But just like the masons, the majority of the rank and file are good folks, and well-intentioned. Of course, they are not all bad guys. How silly to impute that.

RE another post: I find the cockroach quotation a couple of posts above to be needlessly inflammatory and not particularly helpful. It is really necessary to guard against being led by such demagoguery, whether one is in favor or opposed to the position ascribed therein.

More than anything, such obviously inhuman points of view serve to illustrate how profoundly people may be misled by their leaders.

Cue the playback on “Subterranean Homesick Blues.”

I can offer many opposing quotes from the good Orthodox rabbis of Neturei Karta who espouse the Palestinian cause, and who are opposed to zionism as a perversion of Jewish doctrine and an abomination against man and God. Hoping thus to distance myself from the point of view expressed by another “anonymous” above, I would like to put forth some possibly more instructive quotes, which may be more conducive to understanding the real problem, as I see it:

“We shall have world government whether you like it or not. What remains to be seen is if it will come via conquest or consent.”

~Rothschild banker Paul Warburg, testifying before the US Senate (February 17, 1950)
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“Today the people will resist but tomorrow they will welcome UN troops in their home towns enforcing a new world order. All that is needed is the right crisis to get the process started.”

~Henry Kissinger at the Bilderberg Group meeting (1993)
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“The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining super-capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.”

~Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, announced presidential candidate who was killed in the destruction of Korean Airlines Flight 007, the 747 that was shot down by the Soviets for “inadvertantly straying” into their air space.
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In a June 1992 exclusive and published interview, granted after the first Iraq war by President George H. W. Bush to Sarah McClendon, a grand dame of the White House press corps at the time, she elicited a rare moment of candor from old Magog (his Skull and Bones nickname ~ traditionally given each year to the member with the worst degree of sexual perversity. In the Bible it is the name of the army of the Antichrist):

Q: “George Bush, what will the people do if they ever find out the truth about Iraq-gate and Iran contra?”

Bush: “Sarah, if the American people ever find out what we have done, they will chase us down the streets and lynch us.”
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It is no less true today, 14 years later. Like the Motown song says, “I can dream about it.”

It struck me as an historical irony to have written about Weishaupt and the French Revolution yesterday on July 14th, ie. “Bastille Day.” Maybe I should have gotten out my tricolor and sing a version of the Marseillaise, or that famous WWI trench fighting song “Paramahansa Yogananda parlez vous......”

The deafening silencio with which my earlier post was met leaves me wondering how it may have been received. While I’m still wondering, I thought I’d add a part deux, fleshing out a few details from the past two centuries with direct quotes from the some of the players themselves:
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“Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak
above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”

~President Woodrow Wilson, in his book The New Freedom (1913) And that includes him, apparently. See below, after Thos. Jefferson quote.
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“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”

~Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
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See the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, which Woodrow Wilson (see above) later declared to have been the worst mistake he had ever made in his life. And an unconstitutional one at that. I guess he was one of “the biggest men in the United States” who were so “afraid,” knowing that anyone, even presidents, who mess with the bankers, their money, or their paid killers, is meat.

Abraham Lincoln was assassinated for attempting to promote a national currency of “greenbacks” to finance the Civil War debt. The Boston/British bankers had cut off credit to the U.S. Government ~ hoping to see the Confederacy prevail. Wilkes Booth was in all likelihood a masonic agent, as was the Dr. Mudd who treated him and helped him escape.

The secession of the south had actually been masterminded from the northeast, and under the auspices of avowed Luciferian mason Albert Pike, grandmaster of the “mother lodge” of masonry for the entire U.S. I have had access to 1000’s of pages of his original writing. They are available in reprint form through Amazon, for one. He had a brilliant intellect, but was utterly mad and quite an evil man, I would say one without a recognizable heart. It is debated that he also helped found the KKK, but there his no question he fomented and led attacks in the Indian wars, for the utter brutality of which he was infamous. Look him up.

Pike is alleged to have predicted, maybe one should say sketched out a general plan for World Wars I, II and III (if that is the number of the currently fomenting conflict), in a letter to his Sicilian Illuminst collaborator Guiseppe Mazzini, founder/organizer of la Cosa Nostra/Propaganda Due nexus of Italian masonry. This letter was referenced in a number of books in the early 20th century as being “on display in the British Museum.” If it was, it is no longer, and the archivist there now denies its existence.

But these guys are also scholars and master manipulators of data, the insiders ne plus ultra:

“We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”

~David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission (June 1991)
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How about this historical fact? In the late 1800s, Skull and Bones members founded three national organizations that survive to this day: (1) the American Historical Association ~ to control the writing of history by determining who gets accredited and funded with grants, etc. at a university level; (2) the American Economic Association ~ so they even can determine what are “acceptable” economic theories and histories to be published and pushed or promoted; and (3) the American Philosophical Association, later morphed into the American Psychological Association. Thought police anyone? All Skull & Bonesmen, who have founded, funded and overtly or covertly controlled each organization.

It is fairly common knowledge, and recorded in the U.S. Congressional Record that Hitler was funded by the bankers of Skull and Bones, Prescott Bush & Averell Harriman. FDR seized their US bank assets in the middle of WWII under the Trading with the Enemy Act.
It is an historical fact.

This was after someone tried to hire General Smedley Butler to attempt to assassinate FDR. After the war Bush and Harriman got their seized monies back, and Prescott went on to be elected Senator from Connecticut.

Look up General Smedley Butler. He was the recipient of two Congressional Medals of Honor, the highest award the military gives. Almost all of the very few men who ever receive one Medal of Honor, and that is a very small group, die in the process of earning it. Smedley Butler earned two, alive. That should give him some credibility. So, question:

Who tried to get Butler to assassinate FDR, so as to prevent the US from entering World War II? Butler, a (doubly) honorable man, demurred, & reported it. The US Congress held hearings and investigated.... but never revealed the perpetrators. It is all in the Congressional Record.

By the way, so much for “honor” among thieves and killers when they get near to their ages old goal of world conquest. FDR’s maternal grandpappy Warren Delano had headed up the Russell Co.’s opium trading operations in China. And grandpa Roosevelt’s company built their ships. O yes. They kill their own.

One might argue that FDR, by intentionally allowing the attack on Pearl Harbor to go ahead, despite the intelligence that warned of it, acted crucially in the public good, by forcing the U.S. into the war against the wishes of the Luciferian Banker cabal, to prevent an eventual victory and world conquest by Hitler and the Axis powers. Had he not allowed the Japanese attack to go ahead, and the US to enter the war and tip it the other way, we might be goose-stepping to the Fuhrer’s oldies right now, just like Arnie.

Think about it. These US businessmen/bankers funded Hitler. They, and their heirs, were, and are, covert Nazis, so to speak. To this day. And Skull & Bones/CIA is the US branch of the vehicle that brought Hitler to power. Just look at Abu Ghraib, and note: John Kerry is also a member of Skull&Bones.

The real election fraud was promoting the illusion that there was any choice to begin with. The aftermath is just a red herring distraction between puppets fighting over which faction or family gets to have their strings pulled by the puppetmasters and pretend to be president.

Prescott’s grandson Jeb is now Governor of Florida. Pres’s son George I, father of Jeb and Dubya, owned the Texas oil company Zapata that provided the ships for the failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba, which was a ‘rogue’ CIA operation. One ship was named the Houston. The other was named the Barbara P, for Barbara Pierce, wife of George I. The same Barbara Bush who recently opined that blacks from New Orleans’ who fled hurricane Katrina, and who had not previously been homeless, and were camped out in the Houston Astrodome for shelter “are so much better off now. They were, ‘heh heh,’ underprivileged, you know.”

She actually laughed when she said it. Barbara’s husband and Senator Prescott Bush’s son, George I, Houston oil man, had been employed by the CIA since at least the 1950’s, likely since his college days in the late 40’s. And their offspring George W. is now the president.

This may be one of the more illustrative Bush family historical tidbits:

William Walker, ancestor of both George Herbert Walker Bush and Barbara Bush (how quaint) tried to invade, in sequence, both Cuba and Mexico in the 19th century. Failing in both attempts, he did briefly succeed in taking over Nicaragua. Walker proclaimed it a slave empire and named himself king. Hmm. Bad blood?

George Bush don’t like black people. Can ya hear me, mon?

Did John Kennedy’s refusal in 1961 to support the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba lead to his death? The enraged, thwarted, coup plotters were a bunch of CIA/S&B boys, led by Senator Prescott Bush from Connecticut. Participants Frank Sturgis and E. Howard Hunt were employees of long standing.

Prescott owned a big chunk of Jupiter Island, along with Harriman and others, off the coast of Miami, a private “security” enclave for their cabal to this day, from which the cadre ran their major mob business interests in Cuba, which Castro shut down. They wanted Castro out, and the brothels, drugs, guns, and cash flow back. But not only that.

Is it hard to imagine that Harriman, Prescott Bush, son George, and Allen Dulles likely took out Kennedy at the behest of the Rothschild / Rockefeller axis, just a few months after he issued Silver-backed currency directly from the US Treasury, circumventing the private NY & London bank-owned “Federal Reserve,” which charges the US Gov’t interest for printing its own money, thus the national debt? JFK had also vowed to “dismember the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds.” Lackey boy Lyndon Johnson took the silver certificates out of circulation as soon as he assumed office. And LBJ appointed Allen Dulles to head up the investigation into who killed JFK. It’s kind of like OJ’s search for the “real killers.”

The CIA compound in Langley, VA is now named the George Bush Center for Intelligence. In mid-November 1963, fledgling spook George reported a threat to JFK’s life in Houston, seen in a memo in J. Edgar Hoover’s archives (a handy cover for someone who might have helped to bring the deed off in Dallas that same week). “Look! Over there! Gee, I warned you.”

The mainstream media never goes further than to say that either the “mafia” and/or CIA probably did in JFK, in retaliation for refusing to order air support for the Bay of Pigs invasion, which they started without his authorization. JFK’s real crimes ne plus ultra were his attack on the Federal Reserve Bank and threatened destruction of CIA. Did they then kill brother Robert, on the verge of being elected POTUS, who, as Attorney General of the US under JFK, had vigorously prosecuted the mob, or mafia, who ran guns, drugs and prostitution in Cuba from their base in Miami?

Such men have so much to lose by being exposed, or by attempting to expose one of their ‘brethren,’ far beyond even the basic consequences of, as one of them put it in a moment of candor: “killing your wife, burning down your house, and raping your dog.” The potential exposure of just their shared initiatory crimes, the ones they commit as young men to open the gates to power, serves to create a cloud of fear, of consequences so horrible, that it follows them all the way to doomsday. This fear ensures that they can “trust” each other.

Prescott Bush and his S&B buddy Neil Mallon (after whom George I named his son Neil Mallon Bush) raided Geronimo’s grave and put his skull up as a trophy in the S&B “Tomb” at Yale, one of many severed heads they offer to their “master of light” with prayers. They have a whole collection of heads. Just like the Templars used John the Baptist’s head as Baphomet. Even the US Senate couldn’t force them to repatriate the remains to the Apache; and they tried.

It seems pretty clear that “Pres” and CIA son George ran the Bay of Pigs invasion using George’s Zapata ships and offshore oil rigs as the launching point. And...after the Cuba fiasco, JFK was about to shut down the CIA once and for all (it was only 15 years old at that point), and planned to de-escalate us out of Viet Nam. Bad news for traffickers of weapons, drugs, and humans ~ the CIA/S&B Bush mob family and their controlling BANKERS. Thus, the Kennedy assassinations ended democracy, for all intents and purposes, by a violent usurpation. It was murder most foul and a coup d’etat that tolled the end of democracy in the US.

But these S&B / Bush / CIA-run illicit enterprises have been through so many incarnations of atrocities: the over- throw of democratically elected and popular, populist leaders all over the planet since the 1950’s, from killing Mossadegh in Iran, where they installed a bogus “Shah” who would guarantee them his country’s oil, to the killing of Salvador Allende in Chile twenty years later where they installed another brutal dictator, General Augusto Pinochet, and all over the world, including the atrocities of Honduras and Guatemala, Nicaragua (Jesuits there), Vietnam, East Timor, BCCI, Iran-Contra, Bosnia, Enron, 911, Iraq ~ to name only a few.

Amazingly, there exists another 100 years of strikingly similar “shenanigans” going back to the early 19th century, by the forebears of these men, all members in the same Yale secret society, which included presidents, secretaries of war, supreme court justices, oil men, and on and on. William Howard Taft was a Skull and Bonesman, and the only person thus far in U.S. history to serve as both President and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Like Dubya said, “...as long as I get to be the dictator.”

One of Russell’s co-founding bonesmen, Alphonso Taft, father of the future president, brokered the disputed 1876 presidential election, and bargained to get the US military out of the post-Civil War south, so as to lessen the enforcement of the new rights of freed slaves, black people, in order to boost the fortunes of former slave masters, their Confederate co-conspirators.

This is what led to the Act of Posse Comitatus, the law that is supposed to prevent any military forces, even US, from acting as domestic police within US borders.

It is quite ironic that now, however, the heir of this same cabal now wants to repeal Posse Comitatus in order to cement in place a permanent police state under martial law. At this point Posse Comitatus exists in name only, a law not honored, but ignored and even disparaged by the likes of Senator John Warner and others.

Examine the history of United Fruit and its creation in the 1800’s by Skull and Bonesmen, or “Patriarchs” as they refer to one another in their archives. United Fruit has been a frequent arm for violent imperialism in Latin America, serving, for example, as the front for the brutal overthrow of the gov’t of Guatemala in 1054. Guess who used to own United Fruit? Yessiree, da Bushes. Just keeping it all in the “family” biz.

Know what I’m sayin’, Vito? Only this extended family of co-conspirators spans three centuries. And now it is hell bent on conquering the entire world. And they worship Lucifer.

Really. Literally. With pedophilia, human sacrifice and all.

Here’s another. Who was behind the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan in 1981?

Cui bono? Who stood to gain the most? Well, the Vice President is a prime candidate. By the way, his son Neil Mallon Bush (namesake of Pres’s best friend and his co-plunderer of the head of Geronimo) had also been slated to later become Governor of Colorado. He would have probably made it if he had not been snared as part of the largest Savings and Loan fraud in US history. Think of it, three sons who are governors: of Texas, Colorado, and Florida at the same time, and you are POTUS.

If you don’t think that is a kind of power that people will kill for, well then.....think again.

The same Neil M. Bush who on 9/11 was on the board of directors of the company in charge of security for the World Trade Center, Boston Logan Airport, and United Airlines, that Neil Bush, was supposed to have had the brother of would-be Reagan assassin John Hinckley and his family over for dinner on the very night of the intended killing of Reagan. Odd? You bet. It was all over the press and television at the time. But there’s more: Hinckley’s father was a wealthy Colorado oil baron who was a major Bush Sr. campaign financier, and head of the CIA-cover Christian missionary organization called World Vision.

Go back a year earlier, and you’ll find the assassin of John Lennon, Mark David Chapman, was specifically World Vision alumnus, he had worked for them. Is that just coincidence or was he a ‘Manchurian Candidate’ trained by them? Yes, the very same Hinckley / CIA / World Vision “Christian missionary” organization. Was he thus a CIA MK-Ultra brainwashed killer? The Congressional Record for the first week of August 1977, or the NY Times for August 2-5, 1977 has a lot on MK-Ultra. It was on the front page each of those days, because Edward Kennedy was holding Senate hearings on it at the time.

And of course 9/11 was a PNAC-directed, that is to say Neo-con / Likudite intentional own goal, a false flag terror operation like Hitler’s burning of the Reichstag, in order to get the ‘war on terror’ going. I have zero doubt the same was true for London’s 7/7 last year, not to mention 3/11 in Madrid under Aznar, and the most recent 7/11 in Mumbai. History is replete with such events. Nero’s own men torched Rome. Thus Nero fiddled while Rome burnt. He was no more ‘incompetent’ than the Bush gang. It’s an old fraud.

So........ the (domestic only) count is: the same central banker-run, home grown crime gang offed Honest Abe Lincoln, whiffed on FDR, but nailed JFK, probably MLK, RFK, and John Lennon, and badly winged Ronald Reagan, leaving then-VP George Bush Sr. in near total control, effectively giving him a three term presidency. On one morning, now nearly five years ago, they took out the World Trade Center, barely nicked the Pentagon (by intention) & whiffed on the Capitol building, failing in a broader coup that would have brought about martial law and their final, total dictatorship right then and there. It is so deep you’d need a bathyscaphe to examine it all.

And it ain’t over yet.

The evidence for the above is in the public record, primary source documents for which are still available on the internet, for now, via google. There is vastly more detail than the smattering of things here.

Yet even the S&B crew takes orders from their masters, from the people who have financed both sides of almost every war you can name, including the Spanish American, Civil War, Russo-Japanese, WW I & WW II, the Cold War, Viet Nam, Iran vs. Iraq, Afghanistan I and II, Iraq I and II, and now the list, sadly, goes on and on. This covers only a smattering of the history that is rather easily uncovered with a little effort.

Think of it as the bare bones, if you will, of a road map.

Inlaid in marble over the fireplace in the sanctum sanctorum of the Skull and Bones Tomb, their windowless stone clubhouse at Yale, on High Street in New Haven, is the inscription: BARI QVIPPE BOVI.

Bari is short for [Bar]bari, as in “the Barbarians (ie. anyone but them) are Truly Cattle.” Fit for killing. Or whatever they please, or deem to be to their advantage. And that, my friend, is precisely and exactly how they see you, me, or anyone who is not in their cabal. Incidentally, Cattle, is the exact same term used in the Talmud to refer to the goyim, and Talmudic law expressly permits lying to and cheating the goyim or cattle, and killing them, as well. Look it up. It’s no secret.

Let’s be clear, we are talking about human beings here. Funny, how Bush’s press secretary Tony Snow got that confused earlier Friday, July 14, 2006, when he was defending Bush’s support for Israel’s refusal to accept a cease-fire offer from Lebanon, when he said:
"The president is not going to make military decisions for Israel," White House spokesman Tony Snow said.
Lebanon's prime minister asked Bush, during a phone call Friday, to pressure Israel for a cease-fire. But Bush told Prime Minister Fuad Saniora that Israelis have a right to protect themselves.
"We think it's important that, in doing that, they try to limit as much as possible the so-called collateral damage, not only on civilians but also on human lives," Snow said.
I guess that’s “human lives” as opposed to “cattle.”

Did you know that the latest FBI interrogation guidelines state that people who assert their US Constitutional rights are to be considered as prima facie terrorists?

“The Constitution is just a Goddamned piece of paper.” Geo. W. Bush (November 2005)

How can I say it?

They bad. [It is the dark side, Luke].

Where else do you find a skull and crossbones, other than on a pair of Ralph Lauren slippers? On a bottle of POISON, that’s where. Or a pirate ship.

Let’s not even get started on who does or does not own the tv / cable / movies / newspapers / videos / dvd / cd / computer games, and what they are programming you to (double)think / feel / believe / to “know” / not know / find inconceivable / or even be able to become dimly aware of.

But right now we are here. Wherever here may be. This is still only a fragmentary picture of a history that goes back to England, Europe, Jerusalem, Babylon and back beyond that to Egypt in time and venue, at least.

Do you begin to see it, albeit through a glass darkly? Or am I just whistling Dixie???
It is not a very pretty picture. Sadly, I believe it to be a reasonably accurate and a very real one, all in all. But enough about politics for now.

How about Global Warming?

Shall we consider that last summer a Russian ship sailed to the north pole......without ever having to cut any ice?

Say wha’.....?

O yes, the north pole is now water.
Did you miss that one?
Liquid.

The cap is down 30% from last year, after successive 10% drops over each of the past 4 years without any recovery during each winter, so.......

SWIM, baby!! Not very good for the polar bears and Inuit, however.

How about Kilimanjaro ~ the highest peak in all of Africa? In the winter of 2004/5 for the first time in over 11,000 years it lost its previously permanent snow and ice cap. It is now bare.

The Baring 2 Ice Shelf in Antarctica? Approximately the size of the state of Rhode Island, not big enough to throw a presidential election, but............

It fell off of Antarctica into the sea last year. But since it was already floating, as it were, it did not result in a rise of the sea level. Have you been keeping up with the news?

That was actually predicted. But what was not: In the six months from August 2004 to February 2005, about 150 glaciers in that continent each lost over 30 meters of thickness of their entire ice mass ~ tens of thousands of square miles, times 100 feet thickness of ice, just up and melted into the sea ~ gone. Something that even the most aggressive global warming models had predicted would not occur until at least sometime between the years 2015 and 2020.

And how about Greenland. Check out the latest reports on the Greenland ice sheet. The rate of melt of the twelve glaciers that hold it in place seem to be increasing exponentially. If that goes we are talking an INSTANTANEOUS raise in sea level everywhere of 22 feet. That’s right, twenty-two feet, or about 7, count ‘em, Seven meters, or metres, if you prefer.

Off the coast of Alaska there are almost no more salmon running in the Bering Sea.

They are now mostly above the arctic circle in the thawed polar waters.

Now there is a run on plans to drill for oil offshore in the newly thawed and liquid Arctic Ocean. A previously frozen train depot that a Canadian investor bought two years ago for 50 Canadian dollars is now estimated to be worth several hundred Million dollars (thank you Dr. Evil). It was reported in the NY Times some months ago.

Well, I feel better about global warming if Exxon and Texaco can make a profit on it.

Don’t you???

Besides, Alex Jones said last week that it’s all due to “bovine flatulence, the main source of greenhouse gases.” That’s right, we are going to roast or drown because of cow farts.

It’s time to dig in, friends. The shit is already flying, including the bullshit. And it’s getting faster and thicker by the moment.

Peak oil: real or imagined? Does it even matter as long as you remain dependent upon it? Those who control its sale will clearly raise the price as it suits their needs.

Epidemics: acts of nature or induced for purposes of physical and psychological population control?

And what about those hurricanes. What’s up with that?

What’s going on with the weather, hmmn?

What can one say at this point?

How best to fight it? You might not like my answer, but here it is:

Try to cleave to the GOOD. Be very CAREFUL whom you serve. Bobby Dylan says “You got to serve somebody.” I am not so sure he chose very well himself, however. In any case, most “masters” are exceedingly evil, rotten bastards. No hyperbole there.

If you have any faith at all, then try to serve the Almighty ~ the Good, the True, the One, the ONLY ONE, the Omniscient, the Omnipotent, the Ubiquitous, the Opener, the Closer, the Exalter, the Abaser, the Seen, the Unseen, the Witness, the Hearer, the Ever Living, THE ONE that also created the piddly little sorry ass whispering git these other mofo’s “worship,” the existence of which presents a series of moral tests for each of us.

And guess what? They have failed them all.

Free will. It is a bitch.

Two Wrongs Do Not Make A Right. They will bring themselves down. It is the natural order of the Universe.

Best of all, serve yourself by serving humanity as simply and directly as possible. Go local.
Wherever you are. Express love and beauty on the deepest level. Be a karma yogi or yogini.

Seek and do the good. It our last and best hope for survival as a species.

Rioting certainly won’t stop this:

“Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [an "extraterrestrial" invasion or the “antichrist”? ~my comment], whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government.”

~Henry Kissinger at the Bilderberger Conference, Evian, France (1991)
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“The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.”
~then author, Benjamin Disraeli (1844)

“The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments' plans.”

~British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli (1876)
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“Fifty men have run America, and that's a high figure.”

~Joseph P. Kennedy, father of JFK, in the July 26th, l936 issue of The New York Times.
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“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”

~letter written by FDR to Colonel House, November 21st, l933
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“The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes.”

~Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter (1952)
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“Today the path of total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government - a bureaucratic elite.”

~U.S. Senator William Jenner (1954)
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“The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences.

The apex of the system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds' central banks which were themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other economic groups.”

~Professor Carroll Quigley of Georgetown University, Tragedy and Hope: A History of The World in Our Time (Macmillan Company, 1966)
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“... when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people ... will hate the new world order ... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people.”

~H. G. Wells, in his book entitled The New World Order (1939)
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“The American people must be willing to give up a degree of personal privacy in exchange for safety and security.”

~Louis Freeh Director of the FBI (1993)
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“We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.”
~William Jefferson Clinton, USA Today, March 11, 1993.
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“For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
~David Rockefeller, Memoirs (2002)
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"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."

~Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1790)
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Ho. Mitakuye Oyasin. All of our relations.

7/15/2006 03:53:00 AM  
Anonymous jules said...

My mum is a catholic and although I am not anymore she is pretty cool.

And I was raised a catholic, went to catholic and Christian Brother schools and although I came across what might be termed physical abuse (tho we called it getting caught), tho never nasty or violent (by our standards then, six belts with a 3 ply leather strap across one hand was the most savage, and by then we used it as a sign of toughness).

Never sexual abuse tho. I may have missed it... But most of the Priests and Brothers I knew were actually decent blokes who genuinely believed they were educating young men in what they thought was the best possible way.

Lets face it all socialisation is a form of mind control or brainwashing. If you choose to teach in their context you are choosing to brainwash people into the stuff you believe is important. BFD We all do that. Got kids? You're brainwashing them.

I am aware of the history of abuse in catholic institutions and the ritual abuse in Qland for example.

Most of it seems to be in places where the victims have no family protection.

But to blanket the entire catholic church with such slander is probably unfair. it could probably apply to any group or to the whole of humanity with as much accuracy.

7/15/2006 04:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jules, I guess you've never heard of Cardinal Law in Boston?

Or the billions, that's right, billions of dollars that have been paid out by the Vatican in the U.S. as a result of priest perpetrator pedophilia lawsuits?

The church has had to begin to sell off real estate here to cover the payments. That ain't slander, friend. That is a fact.

And "systemic" neither means "all" nor a majority. It simply means spread out, from top to bottom.

Pope "Benedict" when he was Cardinal Ratzinger headed the office for the preservation and defense of the faith, the very office which acted to suppress the knowledge of the last several decades of priest pedophilia, and to keep pedophile priests in active "service."

Give me a break. Either you are ignorant beyond belief of your own church, or you are dissembling.

7/15/2006 04:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eric Boehlert wrote...

I was surprised yesterday afternoon when a Reuters article popped onto my computer screen reporting that 53 Lebanese civilians had been killed by Israeli forces, part of the suddenly chaotic two-front battle Israel's military is fighting in the Middle East. Surprised, because I had been monitoring the day's events on CNN and hadn't heard much about that kind of swelling Lebanese death toll.

Thanks to CNN, I'd learned that Israeli forces had bombed Beirut International Airport and a blockade was in place to cut off Lebanon's ports, that president Bush announced Israel had the right to defend herself, that Hezbollah had fired missiles into the seaside city of Haifa, and that an Israeli woman in Nahariya had been killed amidst the cross-border violence. But I hadn't learned many details about the more than four dozen civilians in Lebanon being killed, a fact that struck me as central to the unfolding story.

Baffled, I made a point of watching CNN's afternoon "Situation Room" with the network's high-profile anchor Wolf Blitzer, who gravely intoned about the "fear of all-out war" in the Middle East. ("Mideast: Brink of War?" read the on-screen graphic.) Indeed, "The Situation Room" chewed on Middle East story almost without interruption. I watched a CNN reporter from Israel file a dispatch, and then a reporter traveling with the president, a reporter from the United Nations, a reporter from Lebanon, an in-studio discussion with the U.S. ambassador to Iraq and then an interview with Republican Sen. Bill Frist. Yet during the first 40 minutes of "The Situation Room," which devoted itself almost exclusively to the escalating Mideast chaos, there was no reference to the fact the Israeli military had killed more than 50 Lebanese civilians. (It wasn't until halfway through the second hour of "The Situation Room" that Blitzer finally clued viewers in.)

Later, I went back and checked CNN's reporting, via TVeyes.com, and discovered that throughout the day CNN repeatedly reported on the lone Israeli civilian causality without making any mention of the more than 50 Lebanese civilian casualties. To be exact, CNN did that at 10:31 a.m., 11:02, 12:09 p.m., 12:19, 1:00, 1:30, 1:52, 2:00, 2:17, 2:30, 2:50, and 4:04.

Note that at 12:05 p.m. CNN did report that "at least 45 Lebanese civilians have been killed in this offensive," but that's because the news channel was airing a feed from CNN International, which seemed to understand one of its fundamental responsibilities in covering bloody, revenge-driven political conflicts was to report civilian deaths suffered on both sides. In fact, a check of CNN Europe's reporting yesterday afternoon showed CNN Europe routinely reported on the death of the Israeli woman as well as the deaths of nearly 50 Lebanese civilians. CNN's U.S.-based anchors and reporters though, seemed mostly unable or unwilling to do the same.

Has CNN gotten to the point where it won't report pertinent facts that are essential in putting the story in context? Facts that certainly would have helped viewers understand some of the international criticism Israel was coming under for what the European Union called a "disproportionate" military response to the conflict at hand.

At this point I don't think it's even controversial to suggest the Arab-Israeli conflict is told in the United States mostly through the eyes of Israelis, and that's especially true on cable news channels. American news organizations have more resources in Israel, better sources within the Israeli government and most American viewers likely consider the Israeli's more like 'us.' And if you don't think there's a difference on how the U.S. media cover the warring sides, then try to imagine what the press coverage would have looked like yesterday if 50 Israeli citizens had been killed by the missiles that hit Haifa.

I doubt Wolf Blitzer would have reported on that story for a solid hour and forgotten to give viewers the civilian death toll.

7/15/2006 06:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Alice said...

Thanks, anonymous 6:52, for returning to the topic of Jeff's post.

As for you, Mojo, although what you wrote is very interesting, it didn't belong here. That's what the ezboard is for, you can start a separate thread for various topics. Your long, incredibly off-topic and irrelevant post(s) here, look uncomfortably like trolling to me.

Doing that is discourteous to Jeff, our host, and to the readers, who should be able to explore and discuss a topic, exchange relevant information, etc.

7/15/2006 07:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CNN, WOlf Blitzer, et al., are nothing but corp./gov./zionist mouthpieces.

C'mon... Time-Warner for gods sake. What do you expect?! Fair and balanced reporting? Don't kid yourselves.

....and they're all the same, Fox, CNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC.

Thank God for the Internet!!!!

7/15/2006 08:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

America's "wars" and the consolidation of the "illegal" drug trade

The game is the consoldation of the drug trade.
Vietnam/GoldenTriangle
Grenada/Panama/Hati
Iran/Contra
Lebanon
Balkans
Afghanistan
Iraq/Iran

These are all major drug producing/trafficking areas.

"They" have been taking-out the "competition for years.

Iran is and has been the number two opium crop worldwide for decades.

Consolodation of power and control is the name of the game, vesting abilities to criminal corporations.

The "Shanghai clique" running China are partners in this enterprise.

MHO

Onward to the utmost of futures!

Peace
Om
K

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Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
All My Relations.
Omnia Bona Bonis,
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End

7/15/2006 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fox, CNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC

You can include BBC in that too.

7/15/2006 11:14:00 AM  
Blogger lemme howdt said...

Sorry Alice - but i have to disagree - mojo filter's long post was quite on target and your computer has a scroll key like everybody else's. You do not have to read every word posted, feel free to pick and choose. But please do not edit for me, especially using an arbitrary standard such as length.

for RI readers who like to see the lighter side of the illuminati - steve jackson games has a superb card game and Flying Buffalo, Inc at one time was running play by mail Illuminati (and may still be).

7/15/2006 12:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Consolidating the drug trade and taking out the competition? Of course! What, did you think "they" would let all of those drug profits go to powers other than "themselves?" That would diminish "their" power and possibly lead to "their" extinction.

Any cites for the stats on Iran?

Oh, BTW - Check Cryptogon or Drudge for the report on how the U.S. is "probably" bankrupt [but for] all that illegal revenue pouring in from drugs, etc.

I guess it's just another coincidence that WW III starts right as the U.S. nears bankruptcy. Gotta terminate those creditors . . . .

7/15/2006 02:07:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

From the Jerusalem Post July 13: "Only weeks ago, an entire reserve division was drafted in order to train for an operation such as the one the IDF is planning in response to Wednesday morning's Hizbullah attacks on IDF forces along the northern border."

7/15/2006 03:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

I find very little reality in official drug stats or officially related history. Much mis and dis-information.

I have found that the most reliable information comes from much earlier and "untainted" information.

One may read at: http://www.rand.org/commentary/050405UPI.html that "The Islamic Revolution in 1979 in Iran used some of the same police-state tactics as China to eliminate the large production and consumption of opium that had prevailed under the rule of the shah of Iran."

A canard if I ever heard one. We have all been told that in all aspects that Red China and Islamist fundie Iran are or have been "evil."
And then we are also told that that have both eradicated their opium crops and do not use heroin as historical documented by most major counries to facillate balck ops and other agendas.

According to: www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs11/13846/heroin.htm Worldwide heroin production was estimated at 426.9 metric tons in 2003.

A metric tonne eguals 2,204.622 pounds

According to the UN Russia has the highest heroin usage rate 2.8% of the population or about 3,920,000 folks. Let us round down to 3,000,000 daily addicts. Well, that is over 3 meteric tonnes a day and over 1100 tonnes a year.

The USA's figures are all over the map most US official figures come down as 600,000 to 1,000,000 users. The UN says 0.6% of the pouulation or around 1,800,000 users. Again rounded down to 1,500,000 daily users is over 1.5 tonnes a day, or 554 a year.

So as you see there seems to be a supply problem … Now one may say that well, maybe most users are just casual. That has not been my personal observation of users.

And even if you cit my figures in half, those two countries would still consume almost twice the official figures of production.

It behooves those running the "shit" to keep the official numbers down and untrue. I mean who can check. It is an illegal and unregulated industry. And considering that they generally run or at the very least have big influence on interfernce and bean counting, its a rigged play.

If you will notice many of the heroin production "records" will put a bi NA in the columns for Iran and China and then follow "conventional wisdom" of saying both countries used ruthless methods to eradicte, etc.

I find the contention unconvincing.

Opium became the largest commodity on earth in the 1830s and has been there ever since.

A very good book on the dynamics

From Carl A Trocki’s excellent book, Opium, Empire and the Global Economy(1999):

"The trade in such drugs usually results in some form of monopoly which not only centralizes the drug traffic, but also restructures much of the affiliated social and economic terrain in the process. In particular two major effects are the creation of mass markets and the generation of enormous, in fact unprecedented, cash flows. The existence of monopoly results in the concentrated accumulation of vast pools of wealth. The accumulations of wealth created by a succession of historic drug trades have been among the primary foundations of global capitalism and the modern nation-state itself. Indeed, it may be argued that the entire rise of the west, from 1500 to 1900, depended on a series of drug trades."
<>
". . . the image of the "opium empire," a metaphor first offered by Joseph Conrad. It takes up the early history of opium and other "traditional drugs" such as tobacco and sugar and develops the paradigm of commercialized drug trades and ties that to the growth of European colonialism in the Americas and Asia . . ."
<>
". . . links between drug trades, European colonial expansion, the creation of the global capitalist system and the creation of the modern state. Drug trades destabilized existing societies not merely because they destroyed individual human beings but also, and perhaps more importantly, because they have the power to undercut the existing political economy of any state. They have created new forms of capital; and they have redistributed wealth in radically new ways."
<>
"Opium thus created a succession of new political and economic orders in Asia during the past two centuries. These included the state of the East India Company itself, the new Malay polities of island Southeast Asia, the colonial states of nineteenth-century Southeast Asia and the warlord regimes of post-Qing China as well as the Guomindang and communist states that arose out of that milieu. At the same time, the economies of the entire region were radically reoriented, or perhaps "re-occidented" would be a more appropriate word. India's opium production was brought under western control while China's domestic economy was opened to the west. Southeast Asia was first opened to western traders and then to western control. With the migration of Chinese labor, Southeast Asian economies were transformed into commodity-producing regimes focused on exporting to the industrializing western Powers. Underlying all of this, opium rearranged the domestic economies and pushed them down the path of mass consumption, which together with mass production, typified the "modern" economic order.

It is possible to suggest a hypothesis that mass consumption, as it exists in modern society, began with drug addiction. And, beyond that, addiction began with a drug-as-commodity. Something was necessary to prime the pump, as it were, to initiate the cycles of production, consumption and accumulation that we identify with capitalism. Opium was the catalyst of the consumer market, the money economy and even of capitalist production itself in nineteenth-century Asia.
<>
Opium was the tool of the capitalist classes in transforming the peasantry and in monetizing their subsistence lifestyles. Opium created pools of capital and fed the institutions that accumulated it: the banking and financial systems, the insurance systems and the transportation and information infrastructures. Those structures and that economy have, in large part, been inherited by the successor nations of the region today."

Onward to the utmost of futures!

Peace
Om
K

-----
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
All My Relations.
Omnia Bona Bonis,
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End

7/15/2006 03:49:00 PM  
Blogger RoadsEnd said...

Please excuse I would like to correct my spelling and typing errors. And a factual error, that is what you get for relying on memory. The UN says Russia has 2% not 2.8%. And to notse that those figures are a percentage of poulation aged 15 to 64, so I shall have to refine again this theses and its figures. Until

Kris Millegan said...

I find very little reality in official drug stats or officially related history. Much mis and dis-information.

I have found that the most reliable information comes from much earlier and "untainted" information.

One may read at: http://www.rand.org/commentary/050405UPI.html that "The Islamic Revolution in 1979 in Iran used some of the same police-state tactics as China to eliminate the large production and consumption of opium that had prevailed under the rule of the shah of Iran."

A canard if I ever heard one. We have all been told that in all aspects that Red China and Islamist fundie Iran are or have been "evil."
And then we are also told that that have both eradicated their opium crops and do not use heroin as historical documented by most major countries to facilitate black ops and other agendas.

According to: www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs11/13846/heroin.htm Worldwide heroin production was estimated at 426.9 metric tons in 2003. 472 tonnes in 2005 according to UN http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/world_drug_report.html .

A metric tonne equals 2,204.622 pounds

According to the UN, ( http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/world_drug_report.html ) Russia has the highest heroin usage rate 2.0% of the population or about 3,000,000 folks. Let us round down to 2,500,000 daily addicts. Well, that is over 2.5 metric tonnes a day and over 920 tonnes a year.

The USA's figures are all over the map most US official figures are from 600,000 to 1,000,000 users. The UN says 0.6% of the population or around 1,800,000 users. Again rounded down to 1,500,000 daily users is over 1.5 tonnes a day, or 554 a year.

So as you see there seems to be a supply problem … Now one may say that well, maybe most users are just casual. That has not been my personal observation of users.

And even if you cut my figures in half, those two countries would still consume almost twice the official figures of production.

It behooves those running the "shit" to keep the official numbers down and untrue. I mean who can check. It is an illegal and unregulated industry. And considering that they generally run or at the very least have big influence on interference and bean counting, its a rigged play.

If you will notice many of the heroin production "records" will put a big NA in the columns for Iran and China and then follow "conventional wisdom" of saying both countries used ruthless methods to eradicate, etc.

I find the contention unconvincing.

Opium became the largest commodity on earth in the 1830s and has been there ever since.

A very good book on the dynamics

From Carl A Trocki’s excellent book, Opium, Empire and the Global Economy(1999):

"The trade in such drugs usually results in some form of monopoly which not only centralizes the drug traffic, but also restructures much of the affiliated social and economic terrain in the process. In particular two major effects are the creation of mass markets and the generation of enormous, in fact unprecedented, cash flows. The existence of monopoly results in the concentrated accumulation of vast pools of wealth. The accumulations of wealth created by a succession of historic drug trades have been among the primary foundations of global capitalism and the modern nation-state itself. Indeed, it may be argued that the entire rise of the west, from 1500 to 1900, depended on a series of drug trades."
<>
". . . the image of the "opium empire," a metaphor first offered by Joseph Conrad. It takes up the early history of opium and other "traditional drugs" such as tobacco and sugar and develops the paradigm of commercialized drug trades and ties that to the growth of European colonialism in the Americas and Asia . . ."
<>
". . . links between drug trades, European colonial expansion, the creation of the global capitalist system and the creation of the modern state. Drug trades destabilized existing societies not merely because they destroyed individual human beings but also, and perhaps more importantly, because they have the power to undercut the existing political economy of any state. They have created new forms of capital; and they have redistributed wealth in radically new ways."
<>
"Opium thus created a succession of new political and economic orders in Asia during the past two centuries. These included the state of the East India Company itself, the new Malay polities of island Southeast Asia, the colonial states of nineteenth-century Southeast Asia and the warlord regimes of post-Qing China as well as the Guomindang and communist states that arose out of that milieu. At the same time, the economies of the entire region were radically reoriented, or perhaps "re-occidented" would be a more appropriate word. India's opium production was brought under western control while China's domestic economy was opened to the west. Southeast Asia was first opened to western traders and then to western control. With the migration of Chinese labor, Southeast Asian economies were transformed into commodity-producing regimes focused on exporting to the industrializing western Powers. Underlying all of this, opium rearranged the domestic economies and pushed them down the path of mass consumption, which together with mass production, typified the "modern" economic order.

It is possible to suggest a hypothesis that mass consumption, as it exists in modern society, began with drug addiction. And, beyond that, addiction began with a drug-as-commodity. Something was necessary to prime the pump, as it were, to initiate the cycles of production, consumption and accumulation that we identify with capitalism. Opium was the catalyst of the consumer market, the money economy and even of capitalist production itself in nineteenth-century Asia.
<>
Opium was the tool of the capitalist classes in transforming the peasantry and in monetizing their subsistence lifestyles. Opium created pools of capital and fed the institutions that accumulated it: the banking and financial systems, the insurance systems and the transportation and information infrastructures. Those structures and that economy have, in large part, been inherited by the successor nations of the region today."


====

Onward to the utmost of futures!

Peace
Om
K

-----
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
All My Relations.
Omnia Bona Bonis,
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End

7/15/2006 04:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, Gerald Posner as a book about the opium trade and the Triads as well.

But seriously though, they probably view it as the "patriotic" thing to do; after all, why allow other powers such as England, France, China, Japan, S. America et al. get all the money? I suppose that if you don't control the dealing, then you are ripe for getting raped by the other dealers.

It's like in the Godfather, the Mob only sells to the black neighborhoods because, as they rationalize, "they're animals anyway." However, what about other markets? Do the Chinese care about addicting white kids when the English didn't care about addicting them? So, I suppose the Drug War amounts to controlling the supply and only busting suppliers and dealers who go after protected or highly regulated markets, such as the rich kid market, while simultaneously going after the supply zones, hence the overseas troop skirmishes, most of which we don't know about, nor will ever know about. Of course, not everybody's in the know.

7/15/2006 04:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

Well, we will try again, Someday I may take a typing class.

And here are the changes according to populatin and ages. The CIA World Fact book is where the population numbers come from.



Kris Millegan said...

I find very little reality in official drug stats or officially related history. Much mis and dis-information.

I have found that the most reliable information comes from much earlier and "untainted" information.

One may read at: http://www.rand.org/commentary/050405UPI.html that "The Islamic Revolution in 1979 in Iran used some of the same police-state tactics as China to eliminate the large production and consumption of opium that had prevailed under the rule of the shah of Iran."

A canard if I ever heard one. We have all been told that in all aspects that Red China and Islamist fundie Iran are or have been "evil."
And then we are also told that that have both eradicated their opium crops and do not use heroin as historical documented by most major countries to facilitate black ops and other agendas.

According to: www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs11/13846/heroin.htm Worldwide heroin production was estimated at 426.9 metric tons in 2003. 472 tonnes in 2005 according to UN http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/world_drug_report.html .

A metric tonne equals 2,204.622 pounds

According to the UN, ( http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/world_drug_report.html ) Russia has the highest heroin usage rate 2.0% of the population aged 15 to 65 or about 2,000,000 folks. Let us round down to 1,800,000 daily addicts. Well, that is over 1.8 metric tonnes a day and over 665 tonnes a year.

The USA's figures are all over the map most US official figures are from 600,000 to 1,000,000 users. The UN says 0.6% of the population or around 1,200,000 users. Again rounded down to 1,000,000 daily users is over 1 tonnes a day, around 369 tonnes a year.

These numbers are figured with average use at a gram per day, which is supported by most research and anecdotal reports.

So as you see there seems to be a supply problem … Now one may say that well, maybe most users are just casual. That has not been my personal observation of users.

And even if you cut my figures in half, just those two countries would still consume more than the official figures of production.

It behooves those running the "shit" to keep the official numbers down and untrue. I mean who can check. It is an illegal and unregulated industry. And considering that they generally run or at the very least have big influence on interference and bean counting, its a rigged play.

If you will notice many of the heroin production "records" will put a big NA in the columns for Iran and China and then follow "conventional wisdom" of saying both countries used ruthless methods to eradicate, etc.

I find the contention unconvincing.

Opium became the largest commodity on earth in the 1830s and has been there ever since.

A very good book on the dynamics

From Carl A Trocki’s excellent book, Opium, Empire and the Global Economy(1999):

"The trade in such drugs usually results in some form of monopoly which not only centralizes the drug traffic, but also restructures much of the affiliated social and economic terrain in the process. In particular two major effects are the creation of mass markets and the generation of enormous, in fact unprecedented, cash flows. The existence of monopoly results in the concentrated accumulation of vast pools of wealth. The accumulations of wealth created by a succession of historic drug trades have been among the primary foundations of global capitalism and the modern nation-state itself. Indeed, it may be argued that the entire rise of the west, from 1500 to 1900, depended on a series of drug trades."
<>
". . . the image of the "opium empire," a metaphor first offered by Joseph Conrad. It takes up the early history of opium and other "traditional drugs" such as tobacco and sugar and develops the paradigm of commercialized drug trades and ties that to the growth of European colonialism in the Americas and Asia . . ."
<>
". . . links between drug trades, European colonial expansion, the creation of the global capitalist system and the creation of the modern state. Drug trades destabilized existing societies not merely because they destroyed individual human beings but also, and perhaps more importantly, because they have the power to undercut the existing political economy of any state. They have created new forms of capital; and they have redistributed wealth in radically new ways."
<>
"Opium thus created a succession of new political and economic orders in Asia during the past two centuries. These included the state of the East India Company itself, the new Malay polities of island Southeast Asia, the colonial states of nineteenth-century Southeast Asia and the warlord regimes of post-Qing China as well as the Guomindang and communist states that arose out of that milieu. At the same time, the economies of the entire region were radically reoriented, or perhaps "re-occidented" would be a more appropriate word. India's opium production was brought under western control while China's domestic economy was opened to the west. Southeast Asia was first opened to western traders and then to western control. With the migration of Chinese labor, Southeast Asian economies were transformed into commodity-producing regimes focused on exporting to the industrializing western Powers. Underlying all of this, opium rearranged the domestic economies and pushed them down the path of mass consumption, which together with mass production, typified the "modern" economic order.

It is possible to suggest a hypothesis that mass consumption, as it exists in modern society, began with drug addiction. And, beyond that, addiction began with a drug-as-commodity. Something was necessary to prime the pump, as it were, to initiate the cycles of production, consumption and accumulation that we identify with capitalism. Opium was the catalyst of the consumer market, the money economy and even of capitalist production itself in nineteenth-century Asia.
<>
Opium was the tool of the capitalist classes in transforming the peasantry and in monetizing their subsistence lifestyles. Opium created pools of capital and fed the institutions that accumulated it: the banking and financial systems, the insurance systems and the transportation and information infrastructures. Those structures and that economy have, in large part, been inherited by the successor nations of the region today."


====

Onward to the utmost of futures!

Peace
Om
K

-----
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
All My Relations.
Omnia Bona Bonis,
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End

7/15/2006 05:08:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

anon4:15 said:

"Pope 'Benedict' when he was Cardinal Ratzinger headed the office for the preservation and defense of the faith, the very office which acted to suppress the knowledge of the last several decades of priest pedophilia.."


you're a fool. ratzinger was head of the "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" (once the "Sacred Congregation of the Universal Inquisition" and later the "Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office") but never in charge of any "Office for the Preservation and Defense of the Faith".


"I guess you've never heard of...the billions, that's right, billions of dollars that have been paid out by the Vatican in the U.S. as a result of priest perpetrator pedophilia lawsuits?"


i guess you've never heard of something called "the dire need for tort reform"? the VAST majority of the cases were were not one "priest perpetrator pedophilia" but of ephebophilia (look it up), making homosexuality within the priesthood key to understanding the issue. as to the may 2001 letter sent to all bishops by the then cardinal ratzinger to maintain the "pontifical secret" relating to cases of alleged abuse on pain of excommunication was only in regard to the *internal investigation* of the church and NEVER said a word about attempting to discourage victims from going to the police.

as to mojo's "windswept house", i don't buy that martin wouldn't name drop--after all, what did he have to lose? "the keys of this blood" and "the jesuits" and "decline and fall" and "hostage to the devil" all (some more than others) criticized the church and named names...but we're to believe that the buck stopped with "windswept". yes, he is probably referencing things he knew to be going on within the confines of the vatican itself, but even martin has to be read thru a filter of sorts: he was a trad vehemently opposed to VaticanII's 'reforms', cause enough to make an entire novel out of Paul VI's statement that "the smoke of Satan had entered the sanctuary" as a result of the council being highjacked. does that justify your statement that:

"The pedophilia in the Catholic Church is not some random occurence, it is systemic..."?

hardly.

7/15/2006 05:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

Howdy,

In refering back to my source material, let me correct, refine Iran's position in worldwide opium production.

Again refering to the CIA World Fact book and the 2006 UN World Drug Report.

Iran has the highest percentage of it's adult (15-65) population as opiate users, 2.8% (that's where that number floating 'round my head came from).

Now with an adult population of 47,379,174 gives us around 1,300,000 users, rounding down to a million again about 370 tonnes a year. Now this is figuring heroin and so the model must be refined some more because much of the use in Pakistan is strictly opium use. But there is also a heroin using population in Pakistan.

If one looks at the figures of usage versus production one sees that there is a disconnect.

With one tonne of heroin production requiring about ten tonnes of opium. Which is reflected in the UN figures of 4620 tonnes of opium and 472 "potential production" in 2005.

So let us say Iran has 250,000 heroin addicts and 750,000 opium addicts, each figuring a gram a day of their substance a day yeilds:
Heroin about .25 tonnes of heroin a day and 93 tonnes of heroin a year.

For the 750,000 opium addicts, they need ,75 tonnes of opium a day or 277 tonnes of opium a year.

So taking the ten percent rule of thumb.

Iran uses 930 plus 277 or around 1200 tonnes of opium just to take care of its, according to "official" UN report, internal opiated population.

So where does it come from?

In looking at a Dutch report from 1935 here is the listing of opium production leaders 1931-1935. With limited information on Afghanistan and none at all from French Indo-Chiina.

1. China
2. India (Reported production dropping fast)
3. Iran
4. Asia Minor
5. USSR
6. Yugoslavia
7. Japan
8. Korea
9. Bulgaria

If Afghanistan kept up with the one year reported it would be fourth.


According to this report in 1931 the production was 2291 metric tonnes and that is without reporting. China, Afghanistan and French Indo-China.
That year Iran produced 890 metric tonnes

So, again just going back to the current usage and production numbers.
There does seem to be a disconnect that would benefit the illegal drug trade.

7/15/2006 06:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Glad to see you guys stay on topic....

7/15/2006 07:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3/11,
7/7,
7/11,
9/11.

That is some flagrant use of numerology there. A question: is 5/11 no good?

7/15/2006 09:13:00 PM  
Anonymous jules said...

maybe those posts are on topic but you can't see the connections. Maybe not tho.

Anon 4.15

Systemic abuse is not limited to the catholic church - to say it is is a croc.

I'll stick up for people who have been tarred with something they don't deserve any day, people I know in this case. You don't have to agree but if you want me to stop eff off and die.

I know more about the nastiness of whats left of the inquisition, and what its done than you might realise BTW. And I am not even close to catholic, but I will still defend good people who don't deserve to be thought of as, or asscoiated with dumfuck rock spiders - wherever they hide.

But lets get back to the topic.

In the media, when people see footage of this shitfight they see long distance shots of Lebannon and hear numbers of casualties.

Then they close ups of Israeli families that have had members injured by the rockets Hezbolla has been launching into Northern Israel. Although last I heard these attacks had not caused any deaths there were injuries.

The footage is close up, of families suffering and feeling pain, from their loved ones injuries.

There is always a bias (deliberate or not) toward the Israeli side, re close ups and shots that really identify the viewer with the viewed. This may a deliberate ploy to manipulate the viewers into sympathising with Israel, or a simple consequence of the close ties between Israel and the west and media orgs. Meaning that there is more footage available here from Israeli sources and there are probably more connections between Israel and the US (and hence most modern mainstream media) than between the arabs and the us the lebs and the US etc etc.

Possibly there is a deliberate bias too to skew the picture toward a certain world view (ie Israel has the right to do what it does). But there are also simple structural factors too.

Whether this is a deliberate conspiracy or not is as much in the eyes and brain of the viewer as anything. You see what you want to see. After all there are still images of the violence and suffering from the arab, palestinian, iraqi or lebanese POV, but they don't seem to dominate screen time as much.

No one thinks of it like this tho.

Imagine the state of Israel is a drug dealer. And Hezbolla/Hamas are rivals, who are into standing over people.

They stand over Israel or one of their runners.

What does Israel do. Take it and be an easy mark for every prick that wants to try it on. Or find the ones that did it and hurt them very badly, then kill them.

This way Israel maintains its "street cred". As someone not to be messed with under any circumstances. Because its simply not worth the trouble.

Thats doesn't justify Israel's actions tho. After all dealing drugs is a crime. But that is the process at play when territory is fought over and decided and one group appears smaller than what surrounds it. Thats how the smaller group maintains its position.

Its not always part of a conspiracy to start WW3. its just that being prepared to go all the way to WW3 over the kidnapping of 3 soldiers might be a way to insure that no more soldiers get kidnapped.

If I was in a street fight with someone and just kicked the shit out of them, but they were still getting up, just staggering and stumbling and out on their feet, and their mate jumped in. well I wouldn't hold back, I'd go sick.

Punch the living crap out of them, then fuck their knees and elbows so they wouldn't be able to jump in again. i would respond with more aggro and violence (if possible) than I showed to my original enemy. I wouldn't even worry about the original bloke (that much, being aware of them and what they are doing is all thats required). Hammas is the original bloke.

If you don't get that or the dynamic behind it, thats cool - you have had a safer life than some. Thats good.

BTW I am not advocating violence, and these days I walk away from street fights, and I am a lot older now, probably a lttle slower and definitely mellower. Its been years and years since I have actually gone right off. There is nothing good or cool about it.

Its all well and good to think in terms of events being planned in advance and stuff.

but its not always true. There is a big part of human behaviour that is predictable, and smart bastards use the predictable behaviour of others to serve their own ends.

Ever since Interfada 2 started this has been an event waiting for its time. there is too much emotional turmoil in that part of the world for it not to happen.

if we spend our lives thinking that just cos 911 was engineered from within everything is, we are gonna miss the opportunistic nature of the beast. And miss stuff that goes on around it cos we are expecting it to be following another pattern, a pre planned one.

7/15/2006 10:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Israels war/collective punishment was just an itchy trigger finger looking for a justification that they hoped (or planned) to have come along pretty soon.

Here's a good catch from Rumor Mill News below.

How many know that the Israeli plan to kidnap an entire other democratically elected government and threaten them with death was PRE-PLANNED OUT weeks before they did it, weeks before that single Israeli soldier came along to (thankfully, for the Israelis I am sure) came along to provide some public cover for their pre-emptive war plans.

"The detention of Hamas parliamentarians in the early hours of Thursday morning had been planned several weeks ago and received approval from Mazuz on Wednesday. The same day, Shin Bet Director Yuval Diskin presented Prime Minister Ehud Olmert with the list of Hamas officials slated for detention."

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=90192

It's collective punishment, another terrorist strategy utilized by Israel.

And there's Bush up there on the world stage spinning for them "blaming Hezbollah".

However, Bush himself is the puppetmaster of Hezbollah, meeting with high level Hezbollah supporters in his White House--despite the group being on the so called "U.S. terror watch list." The Hezbollah people he meets with are high level Pentagon supporters as well.

Title: World Beware: The US as rogue state! BUSH personally MEETS FALSE FLAGGER SIDE OF 9-11
Author: Grant Noah, (madcowprod.com)
Date: 2004.11.01 08:46
Description: HOLY SH*T~! We got 'em red handed NOW FOLKS. The whole puzzle piece of the WHOLE OPERATION HAS suddenly clicked in my mind. Hopefully it does in yours. Details follow. We got 'em here like we have yet to get em' before!! No one can deny this. Thoroughly documented quotes from boring trite corporate media posts, assembled by the great people at Mad Cow Morning News 9-11 research team ( http://www.madcowprod.com )--and because whoever posted those quotes really failed to draw the connections out, I took the liberty of spelling out the connections. If you want corporate media attributions to all quotes, they are all linked on the single referenced webpage below.

...

BUSH/AL-ARAIN & BUSH/AL-AMOUDI PHOTOGRAPHED TOGETHER!: Sami al-Arian and Abdurahman al-Amoudi have been photographed with the President and met with Administration Officials post-9/11, yet both have links to the September 11 plot. Even though their 'background' as operatives was well known as early as 1996, one month before 9.11 President George W. Bush thanked Al-Arian's wife for a book she sent him, expressing "regret" about how her son was being treated.

"Al-Arian's appearance at the White House... The group that included Al-Arian was scheduled to be briefed by Vice President Cheney, but Cheney canceled. That morning, the Jerusalem Post had run a front-page article headlined, "Cheney to host pro-terrorist Muslim group." [as well:] Records showed that Al-Arian was admitted to the White House at least once during the Clinton administration, the official said"... "The [al-Arian] family said that Bush gave their lanky son, Abdullah, the nickname "Big Dude."'...

The busy Mr. AL-ARIAN had contacts not only with Mohamed Atta and al-Qaeda, the MadCowMorningNews has learned, but also with Karl Rove and the Bush Administration, through REPUBLICAN INSIDER GROVER NORDQUIST, who is a close friend of Karl Rove, and who was hired by Al-Amoudi as the front for him.

JEB BUSH'S ROGUE STATE OF FLORIDA, TERROR CAPITAL OF THE WORLD (TAMPA, FL): "Fox News was the first to report that three days after the [9/11] attack Abdurahaman Al-amoudi, president of the American Muslim Council, was invited to a prayer service with the president... " From the safety of their Tampa offices, Mr. Shallah and Mr. Al-Arian operated a terrorist organization, raising funds, recruiting terrorists and bringing them into the country, devising terrorist strategies, and actually directing specific terrorist attacks -- all the while being invited to the U.S. military's intelligence headquarters at nearby McDill Air Force Base to give assessments on the Middle East..."

AL-ARIAN's THE BARAKA GROUP (dissolved Sept. 28, 2001!) & AL-QUEDA/false flaggers financing claimed by John Loftus: "[Former Justice Department prosecutor John] Loftus's accusations against Al-Arian go even further than links with Jihad. Loftus said he believes Al-Arian had a link to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. [Ex-US Department of Justice Nazi Prosecutor] Loftus said Al-Arian was involved with a group called Baraka that he alleges laundered money to support the suicide pilots (sic) as they [pretended to be] trained at Florida airports." "My sources keep me very current on Al-Arian," Loftus said. "I had very high security clearances from all U.S. intelligence and NATO agencies when I worked for the attorney general... Loftus said he has evidence to link [Islamic] Jihad and Al-Arian to the al Qaeda terrorist organization, which has been blamed for the Sept. 11 attacks. In addition, Loftus said evidence suggests Al-Arian may have personally played a part in the execution of the attacks. "It is a matter of record that an organization known as the Baraka group laundered the money to the skyjackers of Sept. 11. Sami Al-Arian incorporated Baraka in the state of Florida, which was dissolved on Sept. 28, 2001." "Had the government thrown Al-Arian in jail, Loftus said, many acts of terrorism could have been prevented, even the most notorious of them all: the attacks on America... "Al-Arian is connected to al-Qaida, Loftus said, because the same Saudi groups that donated money to WISE and ICP — the same groups which were raided by the FBI last month — also had connection to Mohammed Atta,..."

"John Loftus, ex-DOJ official: About a year-and-a-half ago, people in the intelligence community came and said-guys like Alamoudi and Sami al-Arian and other terrorists weren't being touched because they'd been ordered not to investigate the cases, not to prosecute them." "But, who was it that fixed the cases?... the answer is coming out in a very strange [though logical] place. What Alamoudi and al-Arian have in common is a guy named Grover Norquist... He is the guy that was hired by Alamoudi to head up the Islamic institute and he's the registered agent for Alamoudi, personally, and for the Islamic Institute. "The rumpled, balding figure [Al-Arian] was spotted darting into the offices of Republican power broker Grover Norquist last July... Sami Al-Arian emerged more than two hours later... Al-Arian was visiting the Islamic Institute, a Muslim outreach group cofounded by Norquist and housed within his office suite." [Norquist is close friend of Karl Rove.] "In 1998... the Islamic Institute [Norquist/Al-Arian], the AMC [al-Amoudi] and Al-Arian [Islamic Institute/Grover Norquist] were all working together."

KARL ROVE, AL-QUEDA CONTACT IN WHITE HOUSE, THROUGH CLOSE FRIEND GROVER NORQUIST: "Grover Norquist's best friend is Karl Rove, the White House chief of staff, and apparently Norquist was able to fix things [through Karl Rove, so that 9-11 covert op of false flagger (drug dealer) connections 'performed' at the FL/San Diego, CA flight schools were allowed to continue as the laying down of red herrings pre-9-11 for importnat post-9-11 blame narrative to be useful to invade Afghanistan and Iraq--and other countries.]."...

AND IN VIRGINIA: ABDURAHMAN AL-AMOUDI, AL-QUEDA CONTACT [W.A.M.Y. VICE PRESIDENT; PRESIDENT OF THE AMERICAN MUSLIM FOUNDATION; MEETINGS WITH HAMBURG CELL OF AL-QUEDA; MEETINGS WITH BUSH], PENTAGON CONSULTANT: "Al-Arian is not the only Islamist zealot who has gained access to Bush and his inner circle. Consider, for example, Abdurahman Alamoudi, the founder of the American Muslim Council... In October 2000, he was cheered at a pro-Palestinian rally in Washington, D.C., when he declared: "We are all supporters of Hamas. . . I am also a supporter of Hezbollah." Three months later he was in Beirut for a terrorist summit, along with leaders of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, and Al Qaeda." Muslim activist, Abdurahman Muhammed Alamoudi, president of the American Muslim Foundation, played a key role in the chaplain program, publicly boasting to reporters that he was first person authorized by the U.S. military to recruit Islamic clerics"... "Abdurahman Alamoudi, a consultant to the Pentagon on the chaplain program for more than a decade, is now accused of helping Osama bin Laden and Hamas. Court documents filed late Wednesday night claim Alamoudi has provided "financial support to Hamas" and "financial support to fronts for al-Qaida." One of the groups allegedly tied to Alamoudi is a charity that gave a Virginia post office as its address. [!!! WAMY World Association of Muslim Youth, an organization that actual law abiding countries already have banned as a known terrorist front. In the United States, it is run by a bin Laden familiy member, & it was allowed to continue and---!!! &...] Alamoudi was the charity's vice president." "Who founded it? Abdullah bin Laden, Osama bin Laden's nephew.

Evidence recently obtained by prosecutors from German police files show[s]... that Alamoudi also had meetings in the fall of 2000 with Mohammed Belfas, an elder from the Islamic community in Hamburg who had multiple ties to key figures in the September 11 terror attacks. Belfas—who once shared an apartment with Ramzi bin al-Shibh,..."After the September 11 attacks, German police raided Belfas's Hamburg apartment and... discovered multiple connections between the two men and several leaders of the September 11 plot, including bin al-Shibh and Mohamed Atta, the ringleader of the hijackers.""[Belfas'] recently discovered dealings with Alamoudi are likely to get new attention. [THIS STORY WAS SQUASHED.] Among the evidence seized from Belfas's [Hamburg 'Al-Queda' hangout] apartment is a picture showing Belfas and Budiman meeting with Alamoudi at his office in Arlington." 'New attention' was not forthcoming. This Newsweek article is the press's sole mention of the connection between al-Amoudi, Belfas and Budiman. Once the backgrounds of Belfas and Budiman are examined, it is easy to see why: it shows they were doing more than monitoring the 'terrorists. They were meeting with them in the Pentagon, at Florida military bases, and through White House insiders as well who kept the loyal FBI off the terror networks trail. The 9-11 terror network trail does lead to the Bush White House: both Bush and Karl Rove.

AL-AMOUDI--THE GUY WHO MEETS WITH BUSH MULTIPLE TIMES--HAS AT LEAST SIX PHONE NUMBERS OF U.S.-ACCUSED GLOBAL TERRORISTS ON HIS 'PHONE SPEED DIAL,' COURT SUIT POINTS OUT:] Also ringing alarms: Alamoudi's Palm Pilot, which the government claims included the names and numbers of six designated global terrorists. The government also alleges Alamoudi had a Swiss bank account and $2.2 million"...

AL-AMOUDI'S AL-QUEDA CONTACTS ARE ON OFFICIAL WATCH LIST OF FBI, THOUGH NOTHING HAPPENS: "Both Budiman and Belfas are among 370 names included on a detailed FBI list of people sought for questioning in the investigation of the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and Washington. The list was released last month by Finnish banking authorities. Budiman is identified on the list as a U.S. contact person for Atta, the presumed ringleader of the 19 hijackers. Belfas is identified as a contact person for bin Laden, the prime U.S. suspect in the attacks...

[despite there being:

Al-Queda's Belfas in Hamburg-->Al-Amoudi/Virginia WAMY/Nordquist/Rove-->Bush link!!

and a

Al-Queda Tampa offices-->Al-Arian-->Bush link!! ]

FULL ARTICLE:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/301639.shtml


And another related post that went down the memory hole: Bush's close friend Al-Arian, arrested as 9-11 terrorist, little further news on this...


Title: SPEECH:"Bin Laden, Etc Are CIA Stooges" - EX-Dep.A.G.; Bush 911 TERROR PAL Al-Arian jailed
Author: grouping
Date: 2005.07.21 02:03
Description: The lawsuit of 2002 that this guy files against Al-Arian--the Tampa, FL 9-11 cell connection--is most interesting. Why is it interesting? Well, because Bush is hard and fast friends with Al-Arain, who has Why settle for treasonous Rove? Get treasonous Bush, who meets with Al-Arian who is currently in federal prison awaiting trial for terrorism connections to 9-11. Bush is conversing with his family merely one month before 9-11; terrorist Al-Arian scheduled to meet in the White House with VP Cheney, though Cheney cancels the meeting.

...

"From March 20, 2002 to the present, the government has found more and more evidence seized in those archives on that single raid that day. The evidence was so compelling that [Bush's close political friend] Professor al-Arian is no longer giving his speeches. He is now in federal prison awaiting trial. His accomplice, Hammoudeh, has also been indicted. Some 32 different people have been indicted in the United States as a direct result of these efforts.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/07/321874.shtml


It's all there really. Just another contrived event pulled off with a great deal of success.

Perhaps even U.S. or Israeli double agents in Hezbollah set the whole thing up, aiming for some public justification to use the already planned "democratic government kidnapping" op.

The long range operational plan has been the same for 50 years: the Israeli terrorist Jabotinsky's 50 year old dream of seizing everything from the Nile to the Euphrates.

7/15/2006 10:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mojo Filter replies:

to Kris Millegan, who wrote,

“It is possible to suggest a hypothesis that mass consumption, as it exists in modern society, began with drug addiction. And, beyond that, addiction began with a drug-as-commodity. Something was necessary to prime the pump, as it were, to initiate the cycles of production, consumption and accumulation that we identify with capitalism. Opium was the catalyst of the consumer market, the money economy and even of capitalist production itself in nineteenth-century Asia.

Opium was the tool of the capitalist classes in transforming the peasantry and in monetizing their subsistence lifestyles. Opium created pools of capital and fed the institutions that accumulated it: the banking and financial systems, the insurance systems and the transportation and information infrastructures. Those structures and that economy have, in large part, been inherited by the successor nations of the region today.”

>I find this a fascinating analysis of the development of markets, ie. Opium is the opium of the people. To that, of course, we would now have to add petrochemicals, both as fuels and building materials/fabrication of all manner of daily utensils, for starters.

In that sense, the “bad” or unnecessarily harmful part of the oil industry would be the use as a fuel when other cleaner and/or renewable sources can be used, such as solar, wind, geothermal. The fact that the diesel engine was originally developed to run on vegetable oil is also certainly significant to note.

Another world-wide addiction would have to include that to entertainment.

I am curious about your analysis, is it entirely yours, or is it derived from the writings of some other author? I think the point about the current addiction to consumption, per se, on the part of both the worker/consumers and the banker/pushers, having begun with drug addiction as a pattern setter is really a brilliant morphogenetic kind of economic and sociopolitical analysis. Clearly, though, the current wars are as much about natural resources, oil and gas chief among them, as well as drugs.

And beyond that, as I tried to allude in my posts, there is some further teleological goal on the part of the banker/pusher’s agenda.

As far as Iran and China go, I would question your assertion re the continuing existence of widespread heroin or other drug use. Have traveled quite and bit in disparate parts of China, I did not witness anything suggestive of such drug use and addiction as one might see in any US or European city. If it exists, it must be almost entirely hidden. That, I guess, is possible.

Having traveled extensively in parts of the muslim world that are more open, and not seeing anything like that kind of heroin addiction, but being aware rather of very well hidden use of cannabis and to a lesser extent also cocaine, I cannot believe that a putatively highly authoritarian and clerical regime such as that in Iran, would allow the continued existence of significant heroin addiction. That, I very seriously doubt. But that is just my opinion.

To Jon,

Thanks for calling me a fool, but it does absolutely nothing to change the facts, and it only shows how emotionally attached you are to a demonstrably false position. I won’t waste my time providing citations to you, since you could easily find them yourself if you cared to find out the truth, but there is extensive evidence that Ratzinger was the key to covering up pederasty by priests worldwide. There is a well known case in Mexico where several priests complained to him about it, and he promoted the perpetrator to Bishop or Archbishop.

The payouts in the U.S. have nothing to do with “runaway tort juries,” but it does make you sound like you belong on FOX news. There have been between 500 and 700 cases of PRIEST PEDERASTY (not homosexuality per se) settled or adjudicated at last check, and there are at least 1700-1800 more in the pipeline.

And those are just the people willing to come forward. And it is in every state in the union. If that is not a systemic, not to mention endemic, problem, then I do not know what is. You can translate Ratzinger’s Italian or Latin title any way you choose, but in no way does it alter his utter complicity and instrumentality in perpetuating the systemic, endemic, widespread, execrable, indefensible, and undeniable plague of pederast priest perpetrators in the Roman Catholic Church.

To Alice,

What do you consider relevant? Pillow fights in the park, like you wrote about previously, as some meaningless form of guerilla theatre? Sorry, but I think that is not merely irrelevant, but charmlessly distracting, and very pointedly so. I do not know what “trolling” is, but I can assure you I am neither an ogre who lives under a bridge, nor a deep sea fisherman.

And that is a fact, my dear.

Ho.

7/15/2006 10:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kris,
I see now the quote is from the Trocki book. Three nearly identical posts??? What's up with that?

Jules,
I never implied that pederasty was the exclusive purview of the RCC. Hardly. Nor did I tar everyone associated with. Far from it.

It's really hard to follow your reasoning. It's kind of all over the map. I agree that opportunism is certainly one tactic of the powers that be, but it is hardly the main one. Things didn't get to be the way they are because very "intelligent" (of a sorts), greedy and powerful people constantly do things by the seat of their pants.

Rather, they count on you to do that, and so remain prey to their machinations. The significant majority of what they do is planned quite far in advance, with multiple "Plan B" back up scenarios.

That said, they, despite what they may wish, decidedly do NOT control the universe. No humans do.

That is why and how lightning took down the horse of Weishaupt's messenger and revealed the existence of the Bavarian Illuminati and helped thwart the plans for a takeover of Europe, using the French Revolution as the wedge.

That is why and how FDR survived and helped defeat Hitler, despite the wishes of many rich and powerful American and British bankers and industrialists, including the Rothschild's, and Ford and DuPont over here.

That is why and how the space shuttle Columbia went down over the towns of Palestine and White House, Texas.

That is how and why there is hope.

Like Einstein put it, "God does not play dice with the Universe."

Men do. And the best laid plans of mice and men oft times go awry.

Peace, brother.

~Mojo F.

Ho.

7/15/2006 11:19:00 PM  
Blogger AJ said...

Some good reporting Kris.
You may have hit the nail on the head. Perhaps Mike Ruppert was right after all.
Mojo, the opportunity to see if the Lucifer Project is going to be effective will happen next year or early '08. Seems rather far out, but as you have said, with a little imagination and money it's amazing what things might get done.

7/15/2006 11:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

to MoJo,

No, I do not think that there is still a large addict population in China. But even so using the official UN number of .2% of the adult population is 1.87 million users which if rounded down to 1.5 users is over 500 metric tonnes a year.

But still my point is the use of heroin by ALL countries to raise slush.

The Chinese are no different and have multiple operational possibilities.

And with the current ruling Shanghai clique's historical ties to both S&B and the old "Green Gang," one finds will as well as way.

And, no, those quotes as noted were from Professor Trocki's most excellent book.

But I generally concur with his findings.
--
to aj

MHO, Ruppert gathered his bona fides and then "stuffed" both CIA-Drugs and 9-11.

Peace,
K

7/15/2006 11:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

Mojo,

Of course oil and gas and other minerals are important, but driving the machine is drug trade/turf consoidation. For the drugs flow almost immediately, oil and such take much longer, Besides they just manipulate oil prices whenever.

They NEED the drugs to feed their money machine.

Was their oil in the Balkans?

Peace,
K

7/15/2006 11:49:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

A few miscellaenous points on the drug trade:

1) It may not be fair to speak in terms of drug "addiction." It was, I think Terence McKenna, who suggested that a friendly relationship with hallucinogenic drugs may have been what transformed proto-humans into H. sapiens. And there are indications in Graham Hancock's work that agriculture may have initially been developed to provide a reliable source of both medicinal and psychedelic plants, and only pressed into service as the primary basis of the food supply when flooding and other dislocations at the end of the last Ice Age made the hunter-gatherer lifestyle dangerously insecure.

So within a larger context, the last few centuries of human beings furiously swapping around mind-affecting drugs (and that includes the milder ones like coffee, tea, and chocolate, as well as opium and cocaine) might merely be one aspect of an ongoing evolutionary leap.

Be that as it may, however ...

2) There is an unbroken chain of events involving the drug trade over the last 60 years or so that illuminates many otherwise obscure historical motivations and events. It starts with the OSS in China during World War II, trading arms for opium. It then segues smoothly to the CIA in the early 50's, setting up the refugee Chinese Nationalists in the Golden Triangle after the fall of China to the Communists and bringing the heroin to the West via Marseilles and Cuba.

Castro's takeover of Cuba in 1959 led to the expulsion of the Mob and the CIA -- which is, I swear, the single most important reason why the US has never to this day stopped warring on Castro and making plans for how to muscle its way back in after his eventual demise.

(Heck, that may also explain why there was such implacable hatred of Communist China for 25 years -- though in that case, Nixon finally decided there were better purposes for China than as a center of the opium trade.)

Many of the same CIA people who were plotting Castro's ouster from Southern Florida in the early 60's -- Ted Shackley, Tom Clines, that lot -- wound up in Vietnam by the late 60's, running the heroin trade there. By then, the fully-developed complex of drugs, arms, money laundering, and assassination was well in place.

(Other events of the period, from the Kennedy assassination to Watergate, form closely-related sidebars to this main narrative and involve many of the same people.)

When South Vietnam fell in the middle 70's, the Shackley-Clines gang had to move their operations elsewhere -- the arms caches, the profits, and the drug trade itself. The place they chose as their primary base was Iran. The methods they used in the course of those operations -- including instructing SAVAK in new and improved methods of assassination and torture -- led directly to the overthrow of the Shah in 1979. But as with Cuba, they and their heirs have never forgotten and never given up trying to get the place back.

Meanwhile, the same people had been forming close relationships with George H.W. Bush -- first when he was briefly head of the CIA in 1976, and then during the Carter administration when the Shackley-Clines group increasingly went rogue. All that climaxed first in various dirty dealings surrounding the 1980 presidential campaign (most notably the October Surprise) and then in Iran-Contra. Same people, same methods, just swap South American cocaine form East Asian heroin.

3) However, there was one novel factor in Iran-Contra. Israel was up to its neck in every aspect -- selling arms to Iran, dealing both arms and drugs in Central America, egging the Reagan administration on at every point.

The reasons for this seem to have been purely economic. Israel entered into a prolonged financial crisis when oil prices spiked after the 1973 war and then spiked again after the overthrow of the Shah. A succession of Likud governments that attempted to impose free market reforms, starting in 1977, didn't help the situation any, and neither did the fact that the Arabs were attempting to buy the latest and best weapons systems with their new oil wealth and Israel felt it had to stay at least three jumps ahead.

By the late 70's, Israel was getting involved in everything from arms sales to China to cocaine dealing in Latin America. In the early 80's, as Israel headed into hyperinflation (peaking in 1984 at 1000%), the arms-and-drugs pipelines went into overdrive (and so did related ventures, like spying on the US.) Eventually, in 1985, the Israeli economy started to stabilize -- and as it did, the whole overheated Iran-Contra/BCCI mess was allowed to fade away as well.

In the last 20 years, the trail has gotten somewhat muddied, as the Shackley-Clines generation got old, retired, and died. But the drugs/arms/money-laundering business seems to be as lively as ever. One possibility is that it's become a distributed network -- with global criminal organizations like the Russian-Israeli Mafia carrying on the majority of the trade, in association and/or competition with Arab oil millionaires and whatnot (and adding in new sidelines, like the nuclear black market.)

However, there may be a few other things going on as well. For example, Turkey in the middle and late 90's was in a deep economic crisis, was up to its ears in the heroin trade (which involved government circles as well as crime families), and was attempting to emulate Israel by becoming a major exporter of defense tech (some of it filched from the US in violation of American arms control specifications.)

This is the period and these are the events that Sibel Edmonds keeps pointing to, although without being able to specify them in detail. But it looks very much as though Turkey in the 90's was trying to follow the Israeli model from the 80's of using drugs-and-arms dealing to get itself out of economic trouble.

Which brings us to the 00's and the United States -- which is currently in just as deep economic shit as Israel or Turkey before it, but on a much larger scale.

What kind of under-the-table dealings is the US going to resort to in an effort to make its impossible levels of debt go away? How desperate is the US going to become to reclaim Cuba and Iran in order to expedite the trade? And are they going to manage the trick, or is the last and greatest of the nation-states going to meet its match in the international criminal networks which appear to be firmly in control of the illicit trades and may not be eager to give them back.

Stay tuned, kiddies, for our next thrilling episode.

7/15/2006 11:53:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

This "dead or alive" mentality is reckless abandon of the social fabric. Where do they get off posting rewards of millions for anyone who has not been convicted of a crime? This is called demi something or other. It's a mental illness.
I want proof the missile attack originated in Lebanon.

7/15/2006 11:54:00 PM  
Blogger AJ said...

"stuffed" both CIA-Drugs and 9-11??

What do you mean Kris?
Misinfo?

7/15/2006 11:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

anonymous,

The three post were because I couldn't figure out how to delete my earlier post and I had made factual, typing and spelling errors.

Sorry, it was a thesis that I had been thinking about but hadn't written down, so you guys got subjected to some drafts. Please excuse.

Peace,
K

7/16/2006 12:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

Starroute,
GHW Bush was CIA straight out of Yale (he earned his degree in two years, a special wartime program) and was involved in an "executive" position in that "Bay of Pigs thing.

--

aj

"Stuffed" meaning dominate and the deter into specious. MHO

Peace,
K

7/16/2006 12:16:00 AM  
Anonymous jon said...

"To Jon,
Thanks for calling me a fool, but it does absolutely nothing to change the facts, and it only shows how emotionally attached you are to a demonstrably false position. I won’t waste my time providing citations to you..."

if you are Anon4:15 who claimed ratzinger "headed the office for the preservation and defense of the faith", then you are a fool, as he headed no such thing. otherwise, i never called you a fool.

nonetheless, since you've failed to provide me with a *single* credible reference regarding the "systemic" 2000-yr-old catholic church problem with pedophilia, i'll provide you with a counter-reference of my own: do us all a favor and pick up philip jenkins' (professor of history and religious studies at penn state and a NON-catholic) book "Pedophiles and Priests: Anatomy of a Contemporary Crisis". if you can't do *that* before you post again, at least read this article of his, will you?

http://www.post-gazette.com/forum/comm/20020303edjenk03p6.asp

if you are still yet incapable of doing a cut-&-paste (and you probably are) job like this one, just read from the following exerpts:

"My research of cases over the past 20 YEARS [emphasis mine, mo] indicates no evidence whatever that Catholic or other celibate clergy are any more likely to be involved in misconduct or abuse than clergy of any other denomination -- or indeed, than nonclergy. However determined news media may be to see this affair as a crisis of celibacy, the charge is just unsupported.

...

"Just to find some solid numbers, how many Catholic clergy are involved in misconduct? We actually have some good information on this issue, since in the early 1990s, the Catholic Archdiocese of Chicago undertook a bold and thorough self-study. The survey examined every priest who had served in the archdiocese over the previous 40 years, some 2,200 individuals, and reopened every internal complaint ever made against these men. The standard of evidence applied was not legal proof that would stand up in a court of law, but just the consensus that a particular charge was probably justified.

"By this low standard, the survey found that about 40 priests, about 1.8 percent of the whole, were probably guilty of misconduct with minors at some point in their careers. Put another way, no evidence existed against about 98 percent of parish clergy, the overwhelming majority of the group. Since other organizations dealing with children have not undertaken such comprehensive studies, we have no idea whether the Catholic figure is better or worse than the rate for schoolteachers, residential home counselors, social workers or scout masters.

"The Chicago study also found that of the 2,200 priests, just one was a pedophile. Now, many people are confused about the distinction between a pedophile and a person guilty of sex with a minor. The difference is very significant. The phrase "pedophile priests" conjures up images of the worst violation of innocence, callous molesters like Father Porter who assault children 7 years old. "Pedophilia" is a psychiatric term meaning sexual interest in children below the age of puberty.

"But the vast majority of clergy misconduct cases are nothing like this. The vast majority of instances involve priests who have been sexually active with a person below the age of sexual consent, often 16 or 17 years old, or even older. An act of this sort is wrong on multiple counts: It is probably criminal, and by common consent it is immoral and sinful; yet it does not have the utterly ruthless, exploitative character of child molestation. In almost all cases too, with the older teen-agers, there is an element of consent.

...

"The fact that Cardinal Law's regime in Boston seems to have blundered time and again does not mean that this is standard practice for all Catholic dioceses, still less that the church is engaged in some kind of conspiracy of silence to hide dangerous perverts."

my disclaimer to the reader (as i've probably lost mojo by now): i in NO WAY think that the ephebophilia scandal within the catholic church in the US should be minimized, its victims belittled, the numbers white-washed, etc. i accept unquestioningly that the catholic church has a problem with perverts hiding within her ranks, but to say that perversion is "endemic" to catholicism and has been a "systemic" issue within catholicism for as long as the west has had catholics is just myth-peddling of the worst kind. as are comments (now-forgotten in this discussion) like these:

"Many Jesuits today are still spies, and many of them are now active ‘satanists’ too." --Mojo

"The pedophilia in the Catholic Church is not some random occurence, it is systemic, THOUGH NOT LIMITED TO THE JESUITS BY ANY MEANS." (emphasis mine) --Mojo

"There is almost certainly a deeper connection, especially among Catholics, between pedophilia and satanism, that goes back millenia [2,000 yrs]." --Mojo


"Take me completely at my word, no proofs offered." (loose paraphrase) --Mojo

7/16/2006 12:23:00 AM  
Anonymous starroute said...

Kris -

As far as I've ever seen (and I'd be glad to hear if you know anything different), George HW Bush's early relations with the CIA were effectively on behalf of Allen Dulles and mainly involved making business contacts in the oil business. It's not until the middle-late 70's that I see Bush's name linked with Shackley and the rest of the "Enterprise" gang.

At that point, there is a very tight nexus, with Ray Cline (one of those original OSS in China guys) pulling CIA and former CIA people together to support Bush's run for the presidency in 1979 and then shifting their support over to the Reagan-Bush ticket.

Among other things, Cline's former son-in-law, Stefan Halper, was a Reagan campaign staff member under William Casey and was involved in both the October Surprise and Debategate (the stolen briefing book.) (Halper also founded the Palmer National Bank, which Ollie North would use to launder Contra funds, and later he set up North's legal defense fund.)

Shackley was involved in the 1980 campaign as well -- he and Michael Ledeen concocted Billygate (tying Carter's brother to Muammar Qaddafi.)

In addition, Bush was in tight with the Neocons and the crazy generals who'd staffed his Team B in 1976 when he was CIA director. (Team B was the first major attempt to cherry-pick evidence to disprove the CIA analysts' conclusions and substitute a more hawkish alternative.)

Part of what came out of that nexus was the substitution of terrorism for communism as the major bugaboo. Despite Team B's best efforts, by the late 70's the Soviet threat just wasn't as effective in pumping up the defense budgets as it once had been. The theory that the Soviets were behind all Islamic terrorism (pushed mainly by Ledeen's associate Claire Sterling) seemed like a useful alternative.

And out of that shift in perceptions came a close association with Israel in promoting Islamic terrorists as the primary enemy that the United States really, really had to worry about.

In short, the entire bloody mess we currently have on our hands in the Middle East has its roots in the period c. 1979-80 when the warhawks and Neocons were trying to get their groove back. And the fact that those people were inextricably entangled at the time with the Enterprise drugs-and-arms guys like Shackley is one of those insane facts that keeps me up at night trying to figure out some way for it all to make sense.

7/16/2006 12:56:00 AM  
Blogger sfmike said...

Dear Mojo: Your Paranoid World History Wrap-Up, Parts I and II was frankly brilliant, filled with lots of info I already knew plus a lot of new details, wrapped up with a ribbon by your particular worldview. Alice was wrong to go after you, but be nice to her, she's one of the great commenters on this site. And above all, if somebody dumb disagrees with you on the internet, just ignore them.

And starroute, thanks for taking the analysis of Israel and Turkey up another notch. We're all just trying to make sense of this insane world and time we've been born into, and you're definitely one of the helpful ones.

7/16/2006 01:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Jon,

I don’t know why you choose to invest so much energy in defending an institution for a multitude of offenses that are frankly and utterly indefensible. Be that as it may, you certainly have a right to your opinion, however misinformed I may think it is, as I do mine, with the same qualification on your part.

It is ironic that you would choose the Archdiocese of Chicago as your shining example, since your friend Malachi Martin specifically identified that archdiocese and it’s then Cardinal (I am not sure whether it was Mahoney or his predecessor) as the largest nexus of pedophilia, and specifically satanic pedophilia, in the Catholic Church. Now whether his assertion was true or not, I do not know, but I surely would not put my stock in the alleged facts of their own internal study.

Perhaps you have heard of the Servants of the Paraclete, situated somewhere in New Mexico? This was sort of a Grand Central Terminal of pederast priests for decades, where they were shipped in from all over the U.S., told they were fine and didn’t have a problem, and then shipped out to new parishes in other parts of the country to re-offend. You really do have a problem with the facts, I am afraid.

Sadly, I cannot tell you that which I know from direct knowledge from both legal and mental health professionals who have represented both the Church and its victims. But that is not necessary. A simple search of the mainstream media, newspaper articles on google from 1990 until now should convince you or anyone else about the extent of priest pederasty in the RCC. The satanic angle is certainly better hidden, just as it is in the upper reaches of government and degenerates among the “upper crust”.

Please go on and tell me how full of crap I am until the cows come home. That does not change the facts, however. As you seem quite sincere, perhaps a little too ardent in your defense of the indefensible, I would really beg you to consider why you feel compelled to defend an institution for acts that are wholly indefensible, and to consider how completely under-informed you may actually be.

My opinion is just my opinion, but much of it derives from first hand knowledge, or very reliable direct witnessing and reporting by involved professionals. While that is simply my assertion, I can’t change what I know. One cannot “unlearn” experienced or witnessed events. They just won’t go away with wishful thinking.

But wishful thinking in service of a blind defense can be further informed with more thorough investigation on your part. Save your breath. Do some more extensive reading of just the msm if you want to know more. Normally I would not recommend that, but it this case I think the msm has tended to underplay the severity of the problem. That said, just what the msm has reported alone is enough to make most of the case for my assertions.

And if you are the one who likes Malachi Martin, then read a few more of his books or buy some of his tapes and listen to them. A fascinating and at times brilliant fellow, with whom I disagree on much. He also has much to offer, despite his untimely death, particularly for someone like yourself, who appears to be struggling to defend the atrocities of other people, people who really don’t deserve to be defended as such.

With heartfelt sincerity,

Mojo F.

7/16/2006 02:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Starroute, you wrote, "...or is the last and greatest of the nation-states going to meet its match in the international criminal networks which appear to be firmly in control of the illicit trades and may not be eager to give them back?"

This seems to me more than a bit of double-think or double-speak.

The US government is firmly in the hands of a huge international criminal syndicate as has been amply demonstrated here and elsewhere.

7/16/2006 02:27:00 AM  
Anonymous jules said...

"It's really hard to follow your reasoning. It's kind of all over the map. I agree that opportunism is certainly one tactic of the powers that be, but it is hardly the main one."

I was trying to retype a post i wrote last night then lost as my computer froze up. So its a bit crap, that last post. It did touch a raw nerve with me re the Catholic thing, as alot of what I consider decent behaviour was a result of my Catholic upbringing.

Re the oportunism and seat of the pants thing. Its not like that. half arsed and inept, though i am sure aspects of it are. Its more like a fluid response to a situation. you know at some point in a given timeframe event A will occur. So you plan a response to event A with two or 3 slight variations depending on what you think will be the likely results of certain variables in the initial ... equation, if you like. That was the attitude I was trying to get across, the one that those manipulating events would be as likely to use successfully as any plan set in stone.

I am not saying i Know, cos I don't but thinking for explanations that are outside my current worldview, (that events are manipulated and pre planned), I thought about Israel in reference to simple gang behaviour. Such actions are not necessarily a result of a deliberate landgrab or conspiratorial mindset. They can also make sense in the context of for example, a drug turf war.

Re the TV coverage, Australia has a large lebanese population so the news skew is different to what it might be in other places.

But the structure of the way the images come across seems to identify the viewer with the Israeli POV (or try to. The amount of time the television has detailed lingering shots on Israeli suffering is greater than on the Lebanese, or Palestinian for that matter, suffering.

To me that would tend to ID the viewer with the Israeli POV because they spend more time seeing its perspective from close up. I know that people suffering and stuff is actually nationless, its all humans in pain, but the context of it counts and helps the viewer ID with it. Again this could be a function of the structure of the media systems that is unintentional, though either way it certainly seems to suit the PNAC agenda, and a few others.

Back to the drugs.

Re opiates, not only do they provide a good income, they are a great way to fuck up your opposition.

I know more young idealistic intelligent and angry young people who could have fought "this good fight" really well. Contributed to the betterment of society, resisted the fascists articulately and intelliegntly, and generally done some real good in the world.

If they had never used heroin.

I can think of more than I could count on both hands - gone. And as many again who have muddled through and are either free of the grip (at the mo) or slipping in and out of full blown habits.

All of whom spent so much of the time this shit was happening, trying to score or out of it and shit faced.

heroin is the worst.

Then alchohol probably, then pot a close third. These are not that bad. They don't inspire that all or nothing dive into addiction in everyone that uses them. Some people maybe, but not in everyone. And they don't end the activism the way smack does. People still drink or smoke and get useful things done. they could probably get more done without the distractions tho.

But smack has done so much more damage and has absolutely no middle ground.

This current chrystal meth epidemic may have a similar long term effect.

7/16/2006 02:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Nate said...

"The "igniting Saturn" meme has been floating around for a while (although it used to be Jupiter)."

I've heard this one a few times in conspiracy theory contexts (I first saw it connected with the Galileo probe, I think, in the company of people like Richard Hoagland), and it always makes me groan, as nobody seems to notice that it's a central plot element from Arthur C Clarke's science fiction novel and film '2010'. Yes, including naming the new star 'Lucifer'. (The movie omitted this interesting little detail).

Has anyone sighted this meme *before* 1982? (The year the 2010 novel was published; the movie came out two years later, in 1984).

The planetary engineering of Jupiter in both novel and film was done by alien monolith, not by a SNAP radiothermal generator (a possible Saturn-Jupiter confusion also may have come from the 2001 project, as the Discovery visited Saturn in the novel but Jupiter in the movie; both versions of the sequel were retconned to Jupiter).

Granted, there are some weird vibes around both Clarke and Kubrick and the whole 2001 mythos, and Clarke giving the birth of a new alien world such a controversial name seems fairly definitely to be his way of giving the middle finger to Judeo-Christian religion (and possibly morality), but it amazes me just how short a pop cultural memory some people must have to not recognise something like this.

7/16/2006 02:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"(Heck, that may also explain why there was such implacable hatred of Communist China for 25 years -- though in that case, Nixon finally decided there were better purposes for China than as a center of the opium trade.)"

Er, no. China reopened to the U.S. meant drug trade from the beginning it seems.

Remember, It was really "Bush to China" instead of "Nixon to China." Nixon sent George H. W. Bush.

Moreover, you have to remember that Nixon was a Rockefeller sponsored candidate, and the Rockefellers started the Trialterials in 1973 the moment they lost their hold on the Presidency, to regroup to get back in. They basically did with Carter, and onward into Reagan and Bush I and Bush II. Hell, Bush Senior was a Rockefeller trilaterial. So was Carter.

Back to China.

In Bush's high level meetings with Mao, he had another Skull and Bonesman with him who was afterwards for 20 years the "head Bonesman in the Department of State" to keep watch that nothing hampering the Mao-CIA-Bonesman drug alliance was damaged.

See relevant chapter in Tarplay's The Unauthorized Biography of George Bush.

And of course, Mao himself was sponsored by the Yale-in-China networks, that were rife with intel agents and Bonesmen from 1900s onward. Yale-in-China even financially sponsored "their Mao" when he was out of a job, allowing him to run his The Cultural Bookstore on Yale-in-Chian property.

The "pick up where we left off" quality of Bonesman Bush getting at China's drugs that were off limits so long, then going to China for Nixon to meet Mao (with another Bonesmen with Bonesman Bush in these meetings) is hardly lost on me. Keep it in mind yourself.

7/16/2006 02:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Israel did more than prime the attack on Gaza by several weeks already deciding to kidnap the whole Palistinian government.

Israel was caught raiding over the border in Lebanon as well.

Israel started it there as well.

Hezbollah didn't start this on behalf of Iran or Syria: the IDF provoked it by crossing into Lebanon first.

Here's the missing part of the story, courtesy of the Asia Times:

"It all started on July 12 when Israel troops were ambushed on Lebanon's side of the border with Israel. Hezbollah, which commands the Lebanese south, immediately seized on their crossing. They arrested two Israeli soldiers, killed eight Israelis and wounded over 20 in attacks inside Israeli territory.

Of course, western media omitted this fact. Lied to, yet again.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html

7/16/2006 02:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Nate,

Sorry I didn't mention the 2010 novel connection, as that was certainly the first public floating of the "meme", so to speak. The Jupiter/Saturn nexus is interesting too.

Arthur C. Clarke, whom I met once many years ago, claimed that it was originally meant to be Saturn in the film 2001 to which the Discovery was sent, but that the special effects wizards at the time just could not pull off the rings convincingly, so he and Kubrick changed it to Jupiter. N.B. that the "novel" 2001 was actually a post hoc novelization of their collaborative script for the movie. 2010 was another novel/movie script combo, though I don't know whether one preceded the other or they were done in tandem. No matter.

Life imitates art or art simply prefigures life via resonance, backward causality in time, or human design. Makes no matter. It has nothing to do with your presumption of a short pop culture memory. I was/am well aware of the connection between the films, the books, and the JPL projects.

In real life, NASA/JPL's Galileo satellite sent 49.7 pounds of plutonium into Jupiter's atmosphere where it seems to have ignited a rather substantial conflagration, appearing as something like a second "red spot" back in 1999.

Now the Cassini probe sent by NASA/JPL is set to send 78 pounds of plutonium down into Saturns atmosphere around 2008, and appears to be set in a compressible nuclear core configuration.

Back in 1948 Arthur C. Clarke wrote a short story about communications satellites being placed 25,000 miles up in geo-synchronous orbits to create a web of international telecommunications. It didn't happen for real for another couple of decades. That is the means by which I am posting this reply to you right now.

Just because an idea was floated in a sci-fi novel doesn't mean some enterprising space scientists and planetary engineers won't try to realize the idea in consensus reality, as it were.

Quite the contrary. It makes it more likely than not, even inevitable that they would at least try to do so. Here's a good link that covers all of the above:

www.rinf.com/news/nov05/lucifer-project.html

~Mojo Filter

7/16/2006 03:25:00 AM  
Anonymous harry said...

Mojo Filter,

I found your posts very interesting.

I would like to know more - can you provide any links for further reading.

Harry.

7/16/2006 05:51:00 AM  
Anonymous jules said...

"It all started on July 12 when Israel troops were ambushed on Lebanon's side of the border with Israel. Hezbollah, which commands the Lebanese south, immediately seized on their crossing. They arrested two Israeli soldiers, killed eight Israelis and wounded over 20 in attacks inside Israeli territory."

The closest i can find to this is in Al Jezeera and it refers to the area a disputed occupied area called Sheba farms. However even Hezbolla and al jezeera seem to be referring to a cross border raid to capture the prisoners, if they were captured on an israeli cross border raid they would be raising all hell about it in Hezbolla circles, and in the general arab media I would think.

Even this ... "They arrested two Israeli soldiers, killed eight Israelis and wounded over 20 in attacks inside Israeli territory."

... implies the Israeli soldiers were taken from their own country.

this mess is ugly enough without adding more fuel to the fire.

7/16/2006 08:31:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

I think Jules posted this Red Sky thing...All this Armageddon, so little time. It has to be a race against time, doesn’t it? Without the screaming, dystopian madness racing toward us, the idea sort of loses it’s, well urgency. (Plausibility? Relevance?) I dig the endtimes games as much as the next guy, but it never hurts to sniff the source of things out, does it? This Red Sky Prophecy strikes me as something written by a born-again who stumbled onto Carlos Castaneda. It makes moral judgments which are only thinly-veiled right wing mantras. Starvation was caused, not by dog-eat-dog, winner-take-all capitalism, but by apparently well-intentioned busy bodies who tricked “primitive” cultures into disobeying the Creator by abandoning the lifestyle he gave them and adopting modern agricultural methods. This is utopian-bashing, altruism-slashing corporate apologia, which spares Monsanto the rod while confusing the earth’s pre-modern carry capacity with the enormous and ongoing scandal that props up business, politics and society: the myth of economics of scarcity.

Fact is, boys and girls, the opposite of what the dark-dreaming fascisti want you to believe is true: we could have heaven on earth right here, right now. Everyone could have meaningful, beneficial work, but only about 20 hours a week of it. We could fix the biosphere. We could make/grow and live in housing that is impervious to the onslaught of nature (what are they building in New Orleans, I wonder?) I’ll stop painting utopia now, but I feel it’s very important that we know that Cheney’s way isn’t the only way. (Google economies of abundance, the architecture of Buckminster Fuller and Roger Dean, and the bright side of the Singularity (Vernor Vinge, Charles Stross, Wade Frazier for more leads on the {eventual} triumph of utopianism.)

But back to Red Sky: AIDS becomes a sort of metaphor of Yahweh’s wrath—hey, fire spirits can’t ever really cool down, can they?—which is described as man’s worship of sex and drugs. What a crock! I think it’s obvious enough that it’s not your man in the street smoking a joint with his girlfriend who has exploited 2/3rds of Ian Drury’s triumvirate of necessity with bad result, but rather the same evil thugs who can’t stand the missing element (rock ‘n roll) who have used sex and drugs to advance/pleasure themselves and enslave us. Child sex rings and drug cartels are reptilian avocations (dystopian). Sex and Drugs and Rock ‘n Roll may not be all your brain and body need, as Ian did sing, but it sure puts you back together after a day working for the Man.

Now, there is one thing I did like about this “story” and that is the hints of salvation through a change of consciousness. It might just be that there is no political solution because the Evil Ones have that sphere all wrapped up and there just isn’t time to grow a new body politic, but there may yet be time for a change, a sudden, massive change in consciousness to save us all. Some folks are waiting for 2012, some are hoping the Bhagavan reaches critical mass with his efforts sooner, and some are reading stuff like this: http://www.swcp.com/swc/Essays/Sheldrake.html and thinking that we can do it all on our own. I know Sheldrake, Goswami and Bohm have gotten a lot of bad press, but that’s not surprising when you remember who controls the press. When all else fails, remember the trippiness of Christ: “The kingdom of heaven is within you.”

7/16/2006 11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous jon said...

i don't want to come across as defending the institution, mo, as much as the religion; i accepted long ago that there is a chasm of difference between the two, but oh well. so no hard feelings, we'll just have to agree not to.

(by the way, i have secretly enjoyed reading and taking some notes on the other 98% of the material you've posted: quite interesting stuff.)

a-dios.

7/16/2006 01:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MJF wrties...

And a vaya con Dios a ti, mi hermano.

QUERY:

In 2001, which 8 countries did not have a Rothschild-controlled central bank?

Answer: Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Iran, Syria, Sudan, Cuba, and North Korea.

Who's left now? Well, strike Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya off that list, they've either been conquered or bent over (Muammar).

Now it's just Iran, North Korea, Syria, Cuba, Sudan.

So that's what they mean by the "Axis of Evil."

7/16/2006 03:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Filter,

Please allow me to echo the appreciative comments of sfmike and harry, and to add this:

You hint that you are able to discuss in detail earlier periods of activity of 'the adversary'.

My question is how early and detailed? My quest has taken me through Sitchen, Enoch, etc. Have you links or sources to recommend? Thank you.

7/16/2006 03:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. Anonymous the prior,

I am not sure who “Sitchen” is, or if by “Enoch” you mean someone from a couple of millenia ago, or more recently. I have not found a single historian/analyst whom I could simply recommend as having the whole story, whatever the whole story might turn out to be, myself included. I like some of Karen Armstrong’s writings on religion and political history, but she has spent a life in search of faith, and seemingly not found it. Scholars I know in each of the monotheistic traditions find much to argue with in what she says, and she often tries to “psychologize” revelatory texts and events in the most mundane and frequently unconvincing ways.

I try to use primary source material as much as is possible. So, for just a few examples, the U.S. Congressional Record, historical writings of first hand observers, such as the “Records of an Historian” in early China, Herodotus for Asia Minor, etc. I have read [listed here in no particular order whatsoever] various versions and various translations of those versions, several of them more than once each, along with various exegetical analyses of the Old and New Testaments, by which I also mean the Torah, as well as the Qur’an and some of the Hadith Qudsi, the Talmud, the Nag Hammadi texts, Aristotle, Plato, Democritus, other Greeks, few Latins, the Tao te ching, Analects of Kung fu tzu (Confucius), Chuang tzu, the Dhammapada, Vissudhimagga – especially the satipattana sutra, the Upanishads, the Rig, Sama, and Arthava Vedas, Bhagavad Gita, Bodhsattvacharavatarya by Santideva, Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras, almost countless Tibetan and other Mahayana texts, the Lalita-Sahasranaman and sufis such as Jelal’uddin Rumi [the latter two are among my favorites], particularly the Mathnawi, Shams i Tabriz, Ibn al Arabi, al Ghazzali, Suhrawardi, and scads and scads of history books, biographies and autobiographies, not to mention thousands of hours over nearly five decades of reading newspapers from all over the world during my travels and times living abroad, and more recently the internet.

But all of that is just prelude to practice. Years of meditation and/or prayer, often for a few hours a day, months on end, interspersed with many retreats, pilgrimages, learning from others, from oneself, from what the universe may gracefully reveal, especially in the process of caring for others.

And yes, I do work at a job, for many years as much as ten or more hours a day, often six days a week. And I have a family and have raised, together with my wife, several children. I don’t sleep a whole heck of a lot, that is true. I don’t watch much television, ever. Haven’t even had one for many years, and for years at a time in the past. It is the biggest time waster and propaganda instrument that I know of.

I think there is no substitute for travel, meeting and getting to know people in “other” parts of the world. There is no better way to learn about our human family.

As far as the “Adversary,” goes: to me, the adversary is the whisperer, Iblis or Satan, by which I mean unchecked human ego (id, if you are as James Joyce punned, Jung and Anna Freud), known in Arabic as the nafs – subtly misleading most often, at other times appearing as unleashed, wild, hubristic – in all cases leading us to follow impulses by which we only imagine we serve ourselves, while in fact we are following our own worst adversary.

This is often manifested by degrees as greed, envy or jealousy, lust, anger or hatred, sloth, gluttony, and first and foremost pride, in all its forms.

And at the very real risk of indulging in that most deadly of sins, I will sign off and say thank you from the bottom of my heart for engaging in this fruitful discussion.

Peace, love, and understanding.

“Mojo Filter”

7/16/2006 04:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Tony said...

Much of what Mojo says can be found in the books of David Icke and also in « Rule by Secrecy » by Jim Marrs. Of course, one does not have to agree with everything these authors say, but one should not throw the baby out with the bath-water, should one?

7/16/2006 05:24:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

Anonymous said -

Starroute, you wrote, "...or is the last and greatest of the nation-states going to meet its match in the international criminal networks which appear to be firmly in control of the illicit trades and may not be eager to give them back?"

This seems to me more than a bit of double-think or double-speak.

The US government is firmly in the hands of a huge international criminal syndicate as has been amply demonstrated here and elsewhere.


I don't believe I'm doing double-think. I could be wrong in what I'm saying, but I do mean something fairly simple and straightforward by it. That's why I spoke of distributed networks -- which you left out in the bit you quoted from me.

It's all there in my original post, but to summarize briefly:

There is a well-defined global complex of drugs, arms, money-laundering, and assassination connected with the OSS/CIA from the 1940's to the 1970's, then with the rogue CIA offshoot known as the Enterprise in the 1980's. At that point, the trail gets muddy -- and my best guess is that the cause of this was that things got radically decentralized.

For example, in the early 60's the CIA brought portable processing equipment to the opium-growing tribes in the Golden Triangle -- which meant that the crops became larger and the US was flooded with cheap Asian heroin. But the CIA, as the source of the technology, was ultimately in control.

Today, as the cliche goes, information is on the loose. Nobody needs the CIA or its equivalent to supply criminal expertise and tech. I envision international crime today as being a lot like the blogosphere -- both very localized and very interconnected.

The old structures are breaking down everywhere. For example, I read a couple of months ago that Italy is having problems with a Chinese Mafia which is so vicious and violent it makes the Tongs look like old-school gentlemen.

We're living in a cyberpunk future, and in that context, the Bushes and Cheneys of this world become largely irrelevant. They may have kept a finger in the illicit trade for their own enrichment -- but I suspect that if they try to reassert control over it or do anything as blatant as using it to pull the US out of debt, there will be more resistance that they can possibly handle.

Now, as I said, I could be wrong. I'm assembling a bunch of very subtle hints and clues, with a large amount of speculation to fill in the gaps. But I'm not faking anything and I'm not trying to patch anything over.

7/16/2006 06:13:00 PM  
Anonymous anon the prior, aka TG said...

The great gift-- the pride punch--
and supersized, too. Thank you.

7/16/2006 06:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ahh yes, the Jerusalem Post-

Purchased in 1989 by Hollinger Inc. under the control of Canadian conservative newspaper magnate Conrad Black, at which point the paper became supportive of the Likud. Hollinger paid $20 million; the other bids were in the $8-million range. Rumor had it that they were purchasing the newspaper on behalf of the CIA. "The people who cook up these stories are in the wrong business," said Black. "They ought to be screenwriters." Right after the newspaper was bought by Hollinger, it took a sharp rightward turn.

The SEC filed civil fraud lawsuits against Lord Black and several others on 15 November 2004.
On November 16, (the next day) Hollinger sold the paper.

...

Black and wife Amiel can often be found at prestigious dinners. They are regular guests in the home of Barbara Walters and were recently at an event at the home of Lally Weymouth, daughter of the late Washington Post publisher Katharine Graham and a reporter for Newsweek and The Washington Post.

They also attended Prince William's lavish 18th birthday party at Windsor Castle...
Other close friends include Henry Kissinger and Margaret Thatcher. Thatcher's daughter worked at one of Black's newspapers.

Amiel is Black's senior by three years. Her father, an attorney, came from a long line of Sephardic rabbis, and committed suicide after divorcing her mother. Like Black, she also suffered from severe anxieties as a child. She had a fear of empty rooms. Left alone indoors, "I could find myself stranded, sitting in my own urine, sitting for hours too frightened to cry, and too frightened to move," she wrote in her book. As a student, she was addicted to codeine, which only exacerbated her anxieties. She thought she saw faces staring at her from the window and learned to stifle her screams of fear with a bag full of rags.


...

(Richard Perle presently serves as Chairman of the Defense Policy Board, Department of Defense; Chairman and CEO of HOLLINGER Digital; and Director of The Jerusalem Post. He is a Resident Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI), and the "Project for the New American Century".)


http://www.opednews.com/pnacwatch.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1030250/posts

7/16/2006 06:22:00 PM  
Anonymous jules said...

I C

"This Red Sky Prophecy strikes me as something written by a born-again who stumbled onto Carlos Castaneda."

Yeah thats why i posted the link to the trackerschool site. Thats the website of the guy who was told of the prophecy by "Grandfather".

He does seem a bit sus, like deeply embeded with the right wing meme's you mention but...

I first came across that one 10 years ago, and already it seemed like the first 2 signs had happened. very conveinient.

"Starvation was caused, not by dog-eat-dog, winner-take-all capitalism, but by apparently well-intentioned busy bodies who tricked “primitive” cultures into disobeying the Creator by abandoning the lifestyle he gave them and adopting modern agricultural methods."

What this isn't happening. The fact is that modern agro methods are shithouse and heavily dependant on oil for fuel to manage them and its by products to fertilize them. And global capitalism does contribute not only to starvation but to the destruction of the earth. I think this is what the so called prophecy is actually trying to convey.

Those cultures are neither primative have they suffered trickery, just wholesale abuse and genocide. I know many indigenous people who consider the end times well underway. And for their cultures that may be true. But if they go so do we.

"This is utopian-bashing, altruism-slashing corporate apologia, which spares Monsanto the rod while confusing the earth’s pre-modern carry capacity with the enormous and ongoing scandal that props up business, politics and society: the myth of economics of scarcity. "

Dunno what planet you are on, but on this one even in the paradise I live in, you can see the signs of the potentially terminal illness earth has.

But your solutions are spot on too. The prophecy, to my understanding does not give a definite outcome. It says this is what will happen if...

I personally think that If includes a failure to adopt the technologies and attitudes you refer to. low cost technologically advanced ecofriendly energy efficient housing, free energy intelligent use of resources and a meaningful 20 hour a week work regime is brilliant concept.

"which spares Monsanto the rod"

It doesn't name Monsanto, a 1920's event wouldn't tho.

Fuck mate don't get me started on Monato.

I actually have a friend who held the first non GE patent in the world (or so he reckons) perhaps, his school (of organic farming and stuff in NZ) actually developed and held the patent. I can't remember the details. you should hear him go off.

But yeah monsanto. Hey we are working on a plan to bankrupt them and make roundup obselete, but i will say no more on that one.

"We could make/grow and live in housing that is impervious to the onslaught of nature."

I am over this war with nature bullshit. I am one of those people that accepts the concept of "indigenous weather modification." that a carefully planned conscious interaction with the world can give you access to the power to change weather systems. but that is for the discussion board.

We need to live with nature and maintain it. By prayer old matey means indigenous prayer, (I reckon anyway), songs, ceremonies, dances and stories that build on and power up the connection between human and earth. That give some of our life energy which we can generate in abundance to those process struggling with extinction.

All that utopian tech you refer to is useless without that connection to place and spirit. IMO.

"AIDS becomes a sort of metaphor of Yahweh’s wrath—hey, fire spirits can’t ever really cool down, can they?"

I have met real fire spirits, and no they can' cool down. But they can and will communicate.

And the worse problems of Aids are in Africa/Asia and man made. the prophecy doesn't actually specify that the wrath of God in disease form is actually a gift from God or a human piece of evil.

"Now, there is one thing I did like about this “story” and that is the hints of salvation through a change of consciousness. It might just be that there is no political solution because the Evil Ones have that sphere all wrapped up and there just isn’t time to grow a new body politic, but there may yet be time for a change, a sudden, massive change in consciousness to save us all."

Yeah same. thats the real value in the story as far as I am concerned.

But to me its more like

"This is the way you humans are going. This is what will come from your shenanigans, these things getting worse and worse. Look out for them cos it if gets this far (Bleeding sky night) you are screwed."

I guess this thread has left any vestige of the OT for deads posts ago.

But thanks for a well considered and challenging answer.

7/16/2006 10:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tony,

Never read Jim Marrs. Don't even know what he's about in any regard.

I've seen Icke's news blog - a little too much profanity for my taste. Some of his newslinks are current, some out of date and rather misleading. And I don't buy the reptile thing. Don't know about his books, except what I've seen online, and the covers are not to my taste, artistically.

TJ: What did you mean by the "pride punch?"

Sorry. Last word. I swear on my GMO-free corn.

~Mojo unfiltered

7/16/2006 11:03:00 PM  
Anonymous anon of the priory said...

Magister Filter:

Simply put, I get ego-pumped about 'my' own quest. I've read, I've anguished, I've 'remembered', yatta yatta...
With your energetic sharing, I see a life of focus and gratitude.
My pride is full of air and deflates (a good thing).

Zecharia Sitchen has published a series of a half dozen or more translations of the Sumerian cuneiform tablets. His premise: the stories are more history than myth.

Enoch (the really old one) includes a lengthy discussion of the rogue 'Watchers', who, punished and confined, may still be 'here', 'raising hell'.

Marrs is new to me, also. Thanks, Tony.

Icke, I find, is consistent with information I've obtained from other sources.

Jules, Tom Brown is a worthy man.
His writings are useful, and the 'grandfather' permeates it all. A local friend has been a student of his for years.

And above all, isn't it grand how Mr. Wells facilitates such discerning discussions every week?

Thank you all.

7/17/2006 12:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Short list of Masonic primary sources available via Amazon:

By Albert Pike:

The Magnum Opus or Great Work, not paginated, but approx. 600 p.
Lecture on Masonic Symbolism, 292 p.
The Meaning of Masonry, 66 p.
Liturgy of the Blue Degrees, 223 p.
Text-Book of Advanced Freemasonry, 275 p.
Liturgy of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, 481 p.
Masonry of Adoption, 99 p.
The Porch and the Middle Chamber, The Book of the Lodge, 343 p.
Secret Ritual of the Thirty-third and Last Degree, 20 p.
¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬_________________________________
All of the above books are by Albert Pike

Freemasonry in the American Revolution, 134 p.
by Sidney Morse

Egypt the Cradle of Ancient Masonry, 644 p.
by Norman Frederick de Clifford

The Sanctuary of Memphis or Hermes, 228 p.
E.J. Marconis de Negre

A History of the York and Scottish Rites of Freemasonry, 80 p.
by Henry Ridgely Evans

The Secret Tradition in Freemasonry, 658 p.
Arthur Edward Waite

The Arcane Schools, 566 p.
by John Yarker

Regius Manuscript, the Earliest Masonic Document. 96 p.
by Frederick M. Hunter

Masonic Chronology in Context, 89 p,
by Leon Zeldis, 33°

All of the above works were written by masons for masons.
I am not and have never been a mason.

7/17/2006 12:47:00 AM  
Blogger nunnatsunega said...

Mojo Filter...

Could you please provide a reference for the relationship of William Walker the mad-dog of war to the current Bush?

Thanks in advance...

Nunnatsunega

7/17/2006 02:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nunnatsunega:

Looks like I read a solid line where there was a dotted one. This was an old card. I checked my book reference on Wm. Walker, and while he did proclaim himself Emperor of Nicaragua, among many other things, I do not see that he was an ancestor of George Herbert Walker, Prescott's father in law, or any on the Pierce side. My error. Unless he was a very distant southern cousin, for which I can't find any documentation. Thanks for helping to correct that.

7/17/2006 06:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Nate said...

Mojo:

"Now the Cassini probe sent by NASA/JPL is set to send 78 pounds of plutonium down into Saturns atmosphere around 2008, and appears to be set in a compressible nuclear core configuration."

Um, no.

Look, I'm probably not going to convince you of the sheer bullshit-quotient of this particular claim, but what the heck, why not waste some more time. Think about it for a moment.

First, radiothermal generators as used on US space probes such as Cassini are radiothermal: they use fissionable material purely as a heat source, not in anything approaching a chain reaction. They're not nuclear *reactors*; they don't accelerate the reaction. The power produced is of the order of a couple hundred watts. These devices (the SNAP family) have been standard electrical sources on US spacecraft since around the 1960s. And even if they could somehow be configured as a reactor, they'd be a far cry from a bomb.

Second, even if humans could get even a couple of our biggest H-bombs to Jupiter/Saturn (not that hard to do, we could probably do it with 1960s technology if we'd cared - it would be a far simplere problem than Apollo, about equal to Voyager), the mass and energy scales and and differentials involved in an object the size of a gas giant are *huge*. Remember Shoemaker-Levy? IIRC, those comet fragments splashing into Jupiter each were the equivalent of multiple megatons. That's what we'd get for our money: some nice bright flashes.

Third: igniting an actual fusion reaction (which is what we'd be trying to do) requires very precise timing, and, as far as I'm aware, in all current fusion weapons, it requires compressing the very precisely calibrated fusable material *from all sides* with very precisely calibrated and extremely powerful explosive charges. Chemical explosives alone won't do it: that's why we use a nuclear fission first stage.

(Theoretically, it may be possible to build a pure-fusion bomb, not requiring an A-bomb as primer, but I'm pretty sure that the existence of such a device would be a Big Deal, since it would allow building very small, mini-suitcase nukes. Nuclear hand grenade kind of things. No such devices have been publically acknowledged so far, apart from the vague and allegedly still purely theoretical hafnium bomb, and that's X-ray pumped gamma burst, not fusion.)

The other tricky bit, though, is that the timing has to be extraordinarily delicate, so much so that merely disabling the timing pulse generator is generally considered enough to render a nuclear weapon inactive. This goes for fission weapons too, but I believe it's even more the case with fusion: if the shock wavefront (taking into account not just mechanical and chemical properties in those vital few nanoseconds, but nuclear) isn't precisely accurate, you get a dirty misfire, not a full-fledged boom.

OTOH, they managed a fusion boom with Ivy Mike in the 1950s, so they didn't need digital supercomputers to solve the equations like they do now, but that was still pretty closely controlled conditions.

There's a reason why Clarke made superintelligent aliens do it, not humans. We simply do not have the technology - barring weird alien devices, in which case why bother with space probes and plutonium at all?

I repeat: whoever started this myth, and whoever uncritically regurgitates it, really, *really* are uninformed about the issues involved. Yes, every second sci-fi writer with an ounce of imagination has thought about blowing up Jupiter (or more conventionally, just mining it for hydrogen, deuterium or helium-3). That doesn't mean it's even remotely within NASA's, or any other earth-bound agency's, present capabilities, on the order of several hundred to a thousand years. There's conspiracy theory, and then there's just being played for suckers by some idiot wanting to start a web-meme.

(www.nuclearweaponarchive.org is very interesting and educational reading - I highly recommend it, along with www.fas.org. Lots of specs for things that go boom and just what they can do.)

7/17/2006 08:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Nate said...

And looking at the article, which I have seen before, it does seem to be primarily Hoagland who's spreading this idea. I read his site occasionally; some of his ideas are cute but he's too clever by half and ascribes far too much central planning and intelligence to NASA. And he keeps making vague and conveniently deniable predictions of impending astronomic doom that don't actually happen.

He's not completely wacko, I suppose - certainly it's possible that compressing a tiny chunk of plutonium at gas-giant pressures would do something interesting - but in the fusion reactions we do on Earth it's the other way around: we use plutonium to compress deuterium, not vice versa.

The JASON Group certainly is real enough, as an elite military-scientific think tank, and are an intriguing shadowy bunch in their own right. Wouldn't at all surprise me if they wrote a position paper on artificial stars in the 60s - everything else was up for grabs. The Orion Project, anyone? That doesn't mean they came up with any more interesting than the consensus 'damp squib in a hurricane' theory.

7/17/2006 08:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

France is sending a warship (I think I heard Warship) to evacuate French Citizens from Lebanon.

Hmmmm....this could get very interesting, very fast. What if Israel were to pull a "Liberty" stunt on the French?

7/17/2006 09:26:00 AM  
Anonymous jules said...

'Jules, Tom Brown is a worthy man.
His writings are useful, and the 'grandfather' permeates it all. A local friend has been a student of his for years."

Glad to hear it. Maybe I am paranoid, but when I come across something that fits my own POV too well I get sus.

7/17/2006 09:49:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

if you are Anon4:15 who claimed ratzinger "headed the office for the preservation and defense of the faith", then you are a fool, as he headed no such thing. otherwise, i never called you a fool

Beg to differ. Preservation ... was a name change from the Inquisitor..

The posts are great. It's an unfortunate aspect of this blog that so few of you will own up to them.

My quandry for today is "Why is it that every human soul has to be a part of this system?" My answer is that satan is indeed on the earth.

7/17/2006 09:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A lot of what Mojo wrote about GHWB and the CIA was also pondered in Kevin Phlllips book "American Dynasty." Phillips is about as mainstream a writer as you can get, although lately David (I brushed just this morning) Brooks tried to paint him as a ... pssst .... conspiracy monger. Fat chance, fat boy.

Phillips has interesting chapters on Prescott Bush, and whether he was an eminence grise for the nascent American intelligence services. I think he also talked about how much Walker and the boys lost in Havana with Castro's take-over. Castro obviously double-crossed the double-crossers, and they have remained steamed. Bay of Pigs was nothing but a family vendetta, aided with a pirates-crew of noble swarthies, itching to restore Battista and craps.

U.S. troops in southern Lebanon? Count on it.

Nice column today at Antiwar.com:

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=9314

7/17/2006 11:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Tony said...

Those interested in the information detailed in this thread may also take a look into

A Century of War by William Engdahl

The Committee of 300 by John Coleman

Peace, brothers and sisters.

7/17/2006 12:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the Jupiter/Saturn/Lucifer meme: This was also put across in "Behold a pale horse" by William Cooper - after 2010 by Clarke. I regard this idea as nonsense and probably capable of bringing about ecological collapse but Cooper's book has been very popular with many readers. Certainly the meme has benefitted from it. William Cooper lacks credibility for me in most of what he says though I am inclined to believe in the 'silent weapons for quiet wars' section.

7/17/2006 01:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRkcrALcYB4&search=geroge%20bush


funny

7/17/2006 02:54:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Strange how these disparate thoughts seem to weave themselves together like the smoke from many pipes being pulled up the same chimney. I think Jeff tries to maintain a little more discipline, or maybe it's disbelief, than most of us do and that is very sane. I was talking with Jules about these notions which Tom Brown and the Red Skiers (I don't think they're skiing yet) are putting out there, and everybody else's thoughts on the "hidden" meaning behind the public dance we watch through half-closed lids kept sort of crowding in. If you remind yourself that very nearly everything you see and hear has been put out there for public consumption, for whatever unguessable purpose, it's much easier to keep some distance between yourself and the many traps which are just waiting for fresh meat.

I write a good deal over at ICH (Information Clearinghouse), and I am continually confronted with just how gullible we are, how much we want to know what's really going on; it's this 'eagerness' that makes us vulnerable, which is itself ironic, since it was a rejection of the pabulum offered up for mass consumption that first caused us to look elsewhere for explanations. There are levels of levels and there's always a "why" behind every "what." When R.A. Wilson was asked, I forget in which brilliant interview, as there've been so many, what he really believed about the "Final Truth of the Illuminati," he first laughed and said, "What difference does it make what I believe? The fact that the Illuminati believe in themselves is much more pertinent." The cosmic joke behind this notion of a "final truth," however, is that there is no final truth--there's always another, even more shadowy group behind the one that thinks it's the real reality. Wilson was also asked about being used by the CIA, to which he responded that the difference between himself and Timothy Leary was that Leary thought he could "outsmart" the CIA, whereas he, Wilson, never entertained any notion of anyone being able to ultimately control the game, which put him one leg up on the CIA, which (of course) always thought it could control everything.

Some things seem just too nefarious to be intentionally "leaked." The famous "Homosexual Sex Ring Revealed in Reagan/ Bush White House" headline comes to mind, as well as the whole P2/Calvi/Vatican Bank/Guns/Drugs thing that Gary Webb and others worked on in the '80s--how could these things have been good for business? Unless, as some have suggested, these tips of the scary iceberg where revealed for more than one purpose: to scare the ones who've already rejected the official story by hinting at just how deep those waters run; so deep that "they" don't even care if some of their laundry (dirty) falls out of the basket on the way to the cleaners. On another level, maybe the ubiquitous they were attempting to discredit the whole conspiracy movement by letting something be shown which is so outlandish, so over the top, that no one in his right mind could believe it.

Wilson's answer to this problem is laid out in two places. In the Cosmic Trigger books, he tells us to believe nothing and entertain everything, always looking behind the curtain. In his Maybe Logic seminars, Wilson promotes an entirely different way of thinking, a sort of quantum either/and/or, yes/and/no/and-all-of-the-above mentality which does "explain" the many levels of deception operating simultaneously, but in so doing it sort of takes your feet off the ground, leaving you, Buddha-like, laughing down on/at the circus on the ground. Many have found this less than satisfactory, especially in dealing with life and death matters.

Over at ICH I'm constantly confronted by well-intentioned people who, frustrated at the aggression of Israel and the world’s indifference to the plight of the Palestinians, end up spouting nonsense from the bloody Protocols, which they get, “sanitized” by the cover of objective conspiracy theorizing, from Jeff Rense and other closet Nazis. When I ask them, as our Jeff has repeatedly pointed out, whether it’s possible that the Zionists and even the Neocons might not be the final truth, that they are all just higher levels of patsies, they accuse me of being either a Zionist or delusional, or occasionally both. Even when I post “evidence” of black ops pretexts, like Jeff’s coverage of those Brits caught red-handed in Iraq, they refuse to indulge my “conspiracy-mindedness,” even though the vast majority of the anti-Zionists readily accept 9/11 as a false flag operation. (Incidentally, anyone still curious about the Protocols, although Hitler’s citing them in Mein Kampf ought to dissuade any reasonable person, check out Will Eisner’s The Plot: The Secret Story of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which does a textural analysis of the infamous screed, comparing it to an1864 pamphlet by Maurice Joly, a French democratic activist seeking to expose the repressive tendencies of Emperor Napoleon III, called “A Dialogue in Hell: Conversations Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu About Power and Right.”) It’s a superb piece of scholarship, in comic book form, no less, which leaves no doubt that the Protocols is a forgery. http://www.umass.edu/umhome/events/articles/35597.php The only thing that Eisner doesn’t do is explain how the unemancipated Jews of Europe went from being marginalized in the shtetl of Eastern Europe as well as in their barely-tolerated situation in Germany, where they were more assimilated than anywhere else, to ‘suddenly’ acquiring the wealth of the Rothschilds and the influence of the dual citizenship Neocons in the Bush administration. A great source for the history of German Jewry is Amos Elon’s The Pity of It All: A Portrait of Jews in Germany, 1743-1933, has stirred up a good deal of controversy, notably over his assertion that Hitler was “avoidable.” Having read all this stuff, as well as having known Jews who escaped Hitler and Germans who did not, the only sane conclusion I can reach is basically Jeff’s notion that the Zionists are tools of the big boys, like everyone else.

I know this is running a bit long, but I just wanted to answer one item from Jules, and that was his question as to what planet I inhabited, in reference to my statement that the present economies of scarcity—the backbone of the capitalist deception and the keys to their power—is an artificial construct. Jules, I didn’t mean to imply that natural resources were unlimited, but rather that the economy we’re stuck with has made a commodity of scarceness. My favorite source for this, although there are others, is Wade Frazier, with whom I have been in some communication recently. I realize that Wade has gotten some bad press, mostly from his association with Dennis Lee and the Free Energy disinformation campaign, but Wade rises above this fray with a great deal of wit, wisdom and even modesty. If you haven’t already done so, read his spiel over at Healed Planet: http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm The reason I find this aspect of the big conspiracy so important is that it deals, not just with who shot whom or who’s in whose pants without express written permission, but because it gets to the heart of the suppression of technologies and much more which will, I choose to believe, free us from our overlords. And Jules, Wade doesn’t give short shrift to your claim as to the concomitant necessity of the evolution of consciousness, either. And thanks for the response.

7/17/2006 03:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Strange how these disparate thoughts seem to weave themselves together like the smoke from many pipes being pulled up the same chimney.


...Alex Cox made the movie "Walker", with music by our friend Joe Strummer from the Clash. Then I guess there's Walker Texas Ranger Chuck Norris, with that Pentagram badge (Chuck was coincidentally at Offutt AFB for Warren Buffett's "Charity Classic" on 9-11... I still get a kick out of that).
Don't mess with the Lone Star is right- it's a whole 'nother country. Hell, even the Watergate papers are now safe, deep in the heart of Texas.

let's see-
Teddy Roosevelt recruited Texas Rangers for his Rough Riders squad inside the Menger Bar (next to the Alamo) to succesfully invade Cuba- something Texan GHW Bush was stopped from doing by JFK...
Robert E. Lee also hung out at the Menger Bar- he and "Los Diablos Tejanos" were later involved in the war that "won" the SW USA from Mexico, then the war that "won" the SE states.


"A filibuster is a private individual who engages in unauthorized warfare against a foreign country, often with the intent of overthrowing the existing government."

"U.S. President Franklin Pierce recognized Walker's regime as the legitimate government of Nicaragua on May 20, 1856. Walker's agents recruited American and European men to sail to the region and fight for the conquest of the other four Central American nations: Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, and Costa Rica. He was able to recruit over a thousand American mercenaries, transported for free by the Accessory Transit Company controlled by Wall Street tycoon Cornelius Vanderbilt, until he seized ATC property..."


"I remember... the Alamo."
-Pee Wee Herman

7/17/2006 03:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Iridescent Cuttlefish:
I really like your handle, particularly the image of those beings which it conveys. I have admired them while night diving in the Caribbean, and also in various public acquariums. They are the ultimate terrestrial, or aquatic, “alien lifeform.” So cool to look at and marvel.
Your comments about how the truth about political events doesn’t really exist is, imo, only a partial truth itself. It’s a lot like those adherents to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle who claim, á la Schroedinger’s cat, that because humans may not capable of knowing something with certainty, that therefore the underlying reality does not in itself exist.
Rather than the humility of simply admitting one does not know, this strikes me as the ultimate in solipsism and narcissistic autocentrism, or anthropocentrism, in saying because I don’t know then, therefore, it doesn’t even exist. That is a logical fallacy on the face of it. Here is a brief excerpt of a short history of only the first 100 years of the Illuminati, up to the time of Albert Pike, that suggests R.A.W. was more likely wrong that right:
1743: Mayer Amschel Bauer is born in Frankfurt, Germany, the son of Moses Amschel Bauer, a money lender. Moses Bauer places a sign with a red hexagram above the entrance door to his counting house.
1753: Gutle Schnaper (future wife of Mayer Amschel Bauer) born to respected merchant, Wolf Salomon Schnaper.
1760: During this decade Mayer Amschel Bauer works for a bank owned by the Oppenheimers' in Hanover, Germany. He is highly successful and becomes a junior partner. Following his father's death, Bauer returns to Frankfurt to take over his father's business. Bauer sees significance in the red hexagram and changes his name from Bauer to Rothschild, German for “Redshield.”
Now Mayer Amschel Rothschild, he becomes a close associate of Prince William IX of Hesse-Hanau, one of the richest royal houses in Europe, which gained its' wealth by the hiring out of Hessian soldiers as mercenaries throughout the world. Rothschild begins lending money to governments.
1769: Mayer Amschel Rothschild is given permission by Prince William to hang a sign on the front of his business premises declaring that he is, "M. A. Rothschild, by appointment court factor to his serene highness, Prince William of Hanau."
1770: Mayer Amschel Rothschild draws up plans for the creation of the Illuminati and entrusts Adam Weishaupt with its organization and development, based in large part upon the teachings of the Talmud. It was to be called the Illuminati, a Luciferian term meaning “keepers of the light” or illumined ones.
Mayer Amschel Rothschild marries Gutle Schnaper.
1773: Amschel Mayer Rothschild born, the first of Mayer Amschel Rothschild’s five sons. He enters the family business at the age of 12.
1776: Adam Weishaupt officially completes his organisation of the Illuminati on May 1 of this year. The avowed purpose of the Illuminati is to divide and conquer through political, economic, social means, to destroy all national governments religious institutions.
Weishaupt soon infiltrates the Continental Order of Freemasons with the Illuminati doctrine and establishes lodges of the Grand Orient to be their secret headquarters.
Weishaupt also recruits 2,000 paid followers including men in the field of arts and letters, education, science, finance,and industry, instructing them to the follow these methods in order to control people.
1) Use monetary and sex bribery to obtain control of men already in high places, in the various levels of all governments and other fields of endeavour. Once influential persons had fallen for the lies, deceits, and temptations of the Illuminati they were to be held in bondage by application of political and other forms of blackmail, threats of financial ruin, public exposure, and fiscal harm, even death to themselves and loved members of their families.
2) The faculties of colleges and universities were to cultivate students possessing exceptional mental ability belonging to well-bred families with international leanings, and recommend them for special training in internationalism, or rather the notion that only a one-world government can put an end to recurring wars and strife. Such training was to be provided by granting scholarships to those selected by the Illuminati.
3) All influential people trapped into coming under the control of the Illuminati, plus the students who had been specially educated and trained, were to be used as agents and placed behind the scenes of all governments as experts and specialists. This was so they would advise the top executives to adopt policies which would in the long-run serve the secret plans of the Illuminati one-world conspiracy and bring about the destruction of the governments and religions they were elected or appointed to serve.
4) To obtain absolute-control of the press, at that time the only mass-communications media which distributed information to the public, so that all news and information could be slanted in order to make the masses believe that a one-world government is the only solution to their many and varied problems.
1784: Adam Weishaupt issues his order for the French Revolution to be started by Maximilien Robespierre in book form. This book was written by one of Weishaupt's associates, Xavier Zwack, and sent by courier from Frankfurt to Paris. However en route there, THE COURIER IS STRUCK BY LIGHTNING, the book detailing this plan discovered by the police, and handed over to the Bavarian authorities.
As a consequence, the Bavarian government orders the police to raid Weishaupt's masonic lodges of the Grand Orient, and the homes of his most influential associates. Clearly, the Bavarian authorities were convinced that the book that was discovered was a very real threat by a private group of influential people, to use wars and revolutions to achieve their political ends.
1785: The Bavarian government outlaw the Illuminati and close all the Bavarian lodges of the Grand Orient. Mayer Amschel Rothschild moves his family home to a five storey house in Frankfurt which he shares with the Schiff family.
1786: The Bavarian government publish the details of the Illuminati plot in a document entitled, "The Original Writings of The Order and Sect of The Illuminati." They then send this document to all the heads of church and state throughout Europe, but their warning is ignored.
1789: Due to the European ignorance of the Bavarian government's warning, the Illuminati's plan for a French Revolution succeeded from this year to 1793. This revolution was a bankers' dream, establishing a new constitution and enacting laws that forbade the Roman Church from levying tithes (taxes) and also removed its exemption from taxation.
1790: Mayer Amschel Rothschild states,
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."

1791: Through Alexander Hamilton (their agent in George Washington’s cabinet) the Rothschilds set up a central bank in the USA called the First Bank of the United States, established with a 20 year charter.
1798: John Robison publishes a book entitled, "Proofs of a Conspiracy Against All the Religions and Governments of Europe Carried on in the Secret Meetings of Freemasons, Illuminati and Reading Societies." In this book, Professor Robison of the University of Edinburgh, one of the leading intellects of his time, who in 1783 was elected general secretary of the Royal Society of Edinburgh, gave details of the whole Rothschild Illuminati plot.
He advised how he had been a high degree mason in the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, and had been invited by Adam Weishaupt to Europe, where he had been given a revised copy of Weishaupt's conspiracy. The book included details of the Bavarian government's investigation into the Illuminati and the French Revolution.
That same year on July 19th, David Pappen, President of Harvard University, lectured the graduating class on the influence illuminism was having on American politics and religion.
At the age of 21, Nathan Mayer Rothschild leaves Frankfurt for England, where with a large sum of money given to him by his father, he sets up a banking house in London.
1806: Napoleon states that it is his, "object to remove the house of Hess-Cassel from regnancy and to strike it out of the list of powers."
On hearing this, Prince William IX of Hesse-Hanau, flees Germany, goes to Denmark and entrusts his fortune valued at $3,000,000 at that time to Mayer Amschel Rothschild for safekeeping.
1810: Sir Francis Baring and Abraham Goldsmid die. This leaves Nathan Mayer Rothschild as the remaining major banker in England.
Salomon Mayer Rothschild goes to Vienna, Austria and sets up the bank, M. von Rothschild und Söhne.
1811: The charter for the Rothschilds Bank of the United States runs out and Congress votes against its renewal. Nathan Mayer Rothschild states, "Either the application for renewal of the charter is granted, or the United States will find itself involved in a most disastrous war." The US stands firm and the charter is not renewed.

1812: Backed by Rothschild money, and Nathan Mayer Rothschild's orders, the British declare war on the United States. The Rothschilds plan was to cause the United States to build up such a debt in fighting this war that they would have to surrender to the Rothschilds and allow the charter for the Rothschild owned First Bank of the United States to be renewed.
Mayer Amschel Rothschild dies. In his will he lays out specific laws that the House of Rothschild were to follow: all key positions in the family business were only to be held by family members; only male members of the family were allowed to participate in the family business. Mayer Amschel Rothschild also had five daughters, and the family was directed to intermarry within it’s first and second cousins to preserve the family fortune.
Of the 18 marriages by Mayer Amschel Rothschild’s grandchildren, 16 were between first cousins.
Jacob (James) Mayer Rothschild goes to Paris, France to set up the bank, de Rothschild Frères.
Nathaniel de Rothschild, the son in law of Jacob (James) Mayer Rothschild, born.
1814: With regard to the $3,000,000 Prince William IX of Hesse-Hanau had entrusted to Mayer Amschel Rothschild for safekeeping, according to the Jewish Encyclopaedia, 1905 edition, Volume 10, page 494:
"According to legend this money was hidden away in wine casks, and, escaping the search of Napoleon's soldiers when they entered Frankfurt, was restored intact in the same casks in 1814, when the elector (Prince William IX of Hesse-Hanau) returned to the electorate (Germany). The facts are somewhat less romantic, and more businesslike."

This last line indicates the money was never returned by Rothschild to Prince William IX of Hesse-Hanau. The encyclopaedia goes on to state,

"Nathan Mayer Rothschild invested this $3,000,000 in, gold from the East India Company knowing that it would be needed for Wellington's peninsula campaign."

On the stolen money Nathan made, "no less than four profits:
i) On the sale of Wellington's paper which he bought at 50 cents on the dollar and collected at par;
ii) on the sale of gold to Wellington;
iii) on its repurchase; and
iv) on forwarding it to Portugal."
1815: The five Rothschild brothers work to supply gold to both Wellington's army (through Nathan in England) and Napoleon's army (through Jacob in France), and begin their policy of funding both sides in wars.
The Rothschild couriers were the only merchants allowed to pass through the English and French blockades. It was these couriers who also kept Nathan Mayer Rothschild up to date with how the war was going so he could use that intelligence to buy and sell from his position on the stock exchange in accordance with that intelligence.
One of Rothschild's couriers was a man named Rothworth. When the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo was won by the British, Rothworth took off for the Channel and was able to deliver this news to Nathan Mayer Rothschild, a full 24 hours before Wellington's own courier.
At that time British bonds were called consuls and they were traded on the floor of the stock exchange. Nathan Mayer Rothschild instructed all his workers on the floor to start selling consuls. The made all the other traders believe that the British had lost the war so they started selling frantically.
Therefore the consuls plummeted in value which was when Nathan Mayer Rothschild discreetly instructed his workers to purchase all the consuls they could lay their hands on.
When news came through that the British had actually won the war, the consuls went up to a level even higher than before the war ended leaving Nathan Mayer Rothschild with a return of approximately 20 to 1 on his investment.
This gave the Rothschild family complete control of the British economy, now the financial centre of the world following Napolean's defeat, and forced England to set up a new Bank of England, which Nathan Mayer Rothschild controlled.
Interestingly 100 years later the New York Times would run a story stating that Nathan Mayer Rothschild's grandson had attempted to secure a court order to suppress publication of a book which had this insider trading story in it. The Rothschild family claimed the story was untrue and libelous, but the court denied the Rothschild’s request and ordered the family to pay all court costs.
In 1815 Nathan Mayer Rothschild makes his famous statement,
"I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply."

He would go onto brag that in the 17 years he had been in England he had increased the £20,000 stake given to him by his father, 2500 times to £50 million.
The Rothschilds also use their control of the Bank of England to replace the method of shipping gold from country to country and instead used their five banks spread across Europe to set up a system of paper debits and credits, the banking system of today.
By the end of this century, a period of time that was known as the, "Age of the Rothschilds," it is estimated that the Rothschild family controlled half the wealth of the world.
However something that did not go well for the Rothschilds this year was the Congress of Vienna, which started in September, 1814 and concluded in June of this year. The reason for this Congress of Vienna, was for the Rothschilds to create a form of world government, to give them complete political control over much of the civilized world.
Many of the European governments were in debt to the Rothschilds, so they figured they could use that as a bargaining tool. However the Tsar Alexander I of Russia, who had not succumbed to a Rothschild central bank, would not go along with the plan, so the Rothschild world government plan failed.
Enraged by this, Nathan Mayer Rothschild swore that some day he or his descendants would destroy the Tsar Alexander I's entire family and descendants. Unfortunately he was true to his word and 102 years later Rothschild funded Bolsheviks would act upon that promise.
Interestingly, world government fanatic Henry Kissinger, did his doctoral dissertation on the Congress of Vienna.
1816: The American Congress passes a bill permitting yet another Rothschild dominated central bank, which gives the Rothschilds control of the American money supply again. This is called the Second Bank of the United States and is given a twenty year charter. The British war against the America therefore ends with the deaths of thousands of British and American soldiers, but the Rothschilds get their bank.
1818: Following the French securing massive loans in 1817 in order to help rebuild after their disastrous defeat at Waterloo, Rothschild agents bought vast amounts of French government bonds causing their value to increase.
On November 5th they dumped the lot on the open market causing their value to plummet and France to go into a financial panic. The Rothschilds then stepped in to take control of the French money supply. This was the same year the Rothschilds were able to loan £5,000,000 to the Prussian government.
1821: Kalmann (Carl) Mayer Rothschild sent to Naples, Italy. He engages substantial business with the Vatican. Pope Gregory XVI subsequently conferrs upon him the Order of St. George.
1822: The emperor of Austria made the five Rothschild brothers Barons. Nathan Mayer Rothschild chose not to take up the title.
1823: The Rothschilds take over the financial operations of the Catholic Church, worldwide.
1827: Sir Walter Scott publishes his nine volume set, The life of Napoleon and in volume two he states that the French Revolution was planned by the Illuminati (Adam Weishaupt) and was financed by the money changers of Europe (The Rothschilds).
1832: President Andrew Jackson (the 7th President of the United States from 1829 to 1837), runs the campaign for his second term in office under the slogan, "Jackson And No Bank!" This is in reference to his plan to take the control of the American money system to benefit the American people, not for the profiteering of the Rothschilds.
1833: President Andrew Jackson starts removing the government's deposits from the Rothschild controlled, Second Bank of the United States and instead deposits them into banks directed by democratic bankers.

1834: The Italian revolutionary leader, Guiseppe Mazzini, is selected by the Illuminati to direct their revolutionary program throughout the world and would serve in that capacity until he died in 1872.
1835: On January 30, an assassin tries to shoot President Jackson, but miraculously both of the assassin's pistols misfired. President Jackson would later claim that he knew the Rothschilds were responsible for that attempted assassination. The assassin, Richard Lawrence, who was found not guilty by reason of insanity, later bragged that powerful people in Europe had hired him and promised to protect him if he were caught.
The Rothschilds acquire the rights in the Almadén quicksilver mines in Spain. This was at the time the biggest concession in the world and as quicksilver was a vital component in the refining of gold or silver this gave the Rothschilds a virtual world monopoly.
1836: Following his years of fighting against the Rothschilds and their central bank in America, President Andrew Jackson finally succeeds in throwing the Rothschilds central bank out of America, when the bank's charter is not renewed. It would not be until 1913 that the Rothschilds would be able to set up their third central bank in America, the Federal Reserve, and to ensure no mistakes are made, this time they place family member Jacob Schiff in charge of the project.
Nathan Mayer Rothschild dies and the control of his bank, N. M. Rothschild & Sons is passed on to his younger brother, James Mayer Rothschild.
1844: Benjamin Disraeli (who would go on to become British Prime Minister twice) publishes Coningsby, in which he characterizes Nathan Mayer Rothschild as,
"the Lord and Master of the money markets of the world, and of course virtually Lord and Master of everything else. He literally held the revenues of Southern Italy in pawn, and Monarchs and Ministers of all countries courted his advice and were guided by his suggestions."

1845: Andrew Jackson (7th President of the United States) dies.
Before his death he is asked what he wished for his epitaph. He replies, "I Killed The Bank,"
This is in reference to the fact he banished the Rothschilds Second Bank of the United States in 1836.
Jacob (James) Mayer Rothschild (who by now had married his niece, Betty, Salomon Mayer Rothschild's daughter), now known as Baron James de Rothschild, wins the contract to build the first major railway line across the country.
This was called the Chemin De Fer Du Nord and ran initially from Paris to Valenciennes and then joined with the Austrian rail network built by his brother (and wife's father) Salomon Mayer Rothschild.
1847: Lionel De Rothschild now married to the daughter of his uncle, Kalmann (Carl) Mayer Rothschild, is elected to the parliamentary seat for the City of London.
1848: Karl Marx publishes, "The Communist Manifesto." At the same time, Karl Ritter of Frankfurt University writes an antithesis which will form the basis for Freidrich Wilhelm Nietzsche's, "Nietzscheanism." This Nietzecheanism was later developed into Fascism and then into Nazism, used to foment the first and second world wars.
Marx, Ritter, and Nietzsche were all funded and under the instruction of the Rothschilds. The idea was to use the differences in the two ideologies to divide larger and larger factions of the human race into opposing camps, to be armed and led into fighting, particularly to destroy all political and religious institutions. The same plan put forward by Weishaupt in 1776.
1849: Gutle Schnaper, Mayer Amschel Rothschild’s wife dies. Before her death she would nonchalantly state,
"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none."
1850: Jacob (James) Rothschild in France is said to be worth 600 million francs, which at the time was 150 million francs more than all the other bankers in France put together.
1861: President Abraham Lincoln (16th President of the United States from 1860 till his assassination in 1865) approaches the big banks in New York to try to obtain loans to support the ongoing American civil war. As these large banks were heavily under the influence of the Rothschilds, they offer him a deal they know he cannot accept, 24% to 36% interest on all monies loaned.
Lincoln rejects the high level of interest and chooses to print debt free money, so called “Greenbacks” because of their green ink, informing the public that this is now legal tender for both public and private debts.
1862: By April $449,338,902 worth of Lincoln’s debt free “Greenbacks” money has been printed and distributed. He states of this,
“We gave the people of this republic the greatest blessing they ever had, their own paper money to pay their own debts.”

That same year The Times of London publishes a story containing the following statement,
"If that mischievous financial policy, which had its origin in the North American Republic, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce.

It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of civilized governments of the world. The brains and the wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe."

1863: President Abraham Lincoln discovers the Tsar of Russia, Alexander II (1855 – 1881), was having problems with the Rothschilds as well as he was refusing their continual attempts to set up a central bank in Russia. The Tsar then gives President Lincoln some unexpected help.
The Tsar issued orders that if either England or France actively intervened in the American Civil War, and help the South, Russia would consider such action a declaration of war, and take the side of President Lincoln. To show that he wasn't messing about, he sent part of his Pacific Fleet to port in San Francisco and another part to New York.
The Rothschild banking house in Naples, Italy, C. M. de Rothschild e figli, closes following the unification of Italy. The Rothschilds use one of their associates in America, John D. Rockefeller, to form an oil business called Standard Oil which eventually takes over all of its competition.
1865: In a statement to Congress, President Abraham Lincoln states,
"I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me, and the financial institutions in the rear. Of the two, the one in my rear is my greatest foe."

Later that year, on April 14, President Lincoln is assassinated, less than two months before the end of the American Civil War.
Following a brief training period in the Rothschilds London Bank, Jacob Schiff, a Rothschild, born in their house in Frankfurt, arrives in America at the age of 18, with instructions and the finance necessary to buy into a banking house there. The purpose of this was to carry out the following tasks.
1. Gain control of America's money system through the establishment of a central bank.
2. Find desirable men, who for a price, would be willing to serve as tools for the Illuminati and promote them into high places in the federal government, the Congress, Supreme Court, and all the federal agencies.
3. Create minority group strife throughout the nations, particularly targeting the whites and blacks.
4. Create a movement to destroy religion in the United States, with Christianity as the main target.
1868: Jacob (James) Mayer Rothschild dies, shortly after purchasing Château Lafite, one of the four great premier grand cru estates of France. He is the last of Mayer Amschel Rothschild’s sons to die.
1870: Nathaniel de Rothschild dies.
1871: An American General named, Albert Pike, who had been enticed into the Illuminati by Guissepe Mazzini, completes his military blueprint for three world wars and various revolutions throughout the world, culminating into moving this great conspiracy into its final stage.
The first world war is to be fought for the purpose of destroying the Tsar in Russia, as promised by Nathan Mayer Rothschild in 1815. The Tsar is to be replaced with communism which is to be used to attack religions, predominantly Christianity. The differences between the British and German empires are to be used to foment this war.
The second world war is to be used to foment the controversy between fascism and political zionism with the slaughter of Jews in Germany to serve as a linchpin in bringing hatred against the German people. This is designed to destroy fascism (which the Rothschilds created) and increase the power of political zionism. This war is also designed to increase the power of communism as a counterbalance to the West.
The third world war is to be played out by stirring up hatred of the Muslim world for the purposes of playing the Islamic world and the political zionists off against one another. Whilst this is going on, the remaining nations would be forced to fight themselves into a state of mental, physical, spiritual and economic exhaustion.
On August 15th of this year, Albert Pike writes a letter (now catalogued in the British Museum) to Guiseppe Mazzini in which he states the following,
"We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists and we shall provoke a great social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil.

Then everywhere, the people will be forced to defend themselves against the world minority of the world revolutionaries and will exterminate those destroyers of civilization and the multitudes disillusioned with Christianity whose spirits will be from that moment without direction and leadership and anxious for an ideal, but without knowledge where to send its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view.
A manifestation which will result from a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
Pike, who having been elected as Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry's Southern Jurisdiction in 1859, was the most powerful Freemason in America. He would retain that post for 32 years until his death in 1891. He also published a book on the subject in 1872 entitled, "Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry," in which he candidly states the following,
"LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darknesss! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"
1875: On January 1 of this year Jacob Schiff, now Solomon Loeb's son-in-law after marrying his daughter, Teresa, takes control of the banking house, Kuhn, Loeb & Co. He goes on to finance John D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil Company, Edward R. Harriman's Railroad Empire, and Andrew Carnegie's Steel Empire, all with Rothschild money.
He then identifies the other largest bankers in America at that time. They are, J.P. Morgan who controls Wall Street, and the Drexels and the Biddles of Philadelphia. All the other financiers, big and little, danced to the music of those three houses. Schiff then gets the European Rothschilds to set up European branches of these three large banks on the understanding that Schiff, and therefore Rothschild, is to be the boss of banking in New York and therefore America.
N M Rothschild & Sons undertake a share issue to raise capital for the first channel tunnel project to link France to England, with half of its capital coming from the Rothschild owned Compagnie du Chemin de Fer du Nord.
This year Lionel De Rothschild also loans Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli the finance for the British government to purchase the shares in the Suez Canal, from Khedive Said of Egypt. This was done as the Rothschilds needed this access route to be held by a government they controlled, so they could use that government's military to protect their huge business interests in the Middle East.

7/17/2006 05:43:00 PM  
Anonymous brian said...

wow. just stumbled across your blog. i must say that this is the biggest collection of "off kilter" folks that i've ever seen.

no offense, but not everything is a conspiracy, folks.

sheesh.

7/17/2006 05:48:00 PM  
Blogger AJ said...

"The cosmic joke behind this notion of a "final truth," however, is that there is no final truth--"

That I might disagree with.
Simple Platonic ( and dare I say it?) , religious ideas of perfection suggests something real and true.
Illusion? I don't think so.
Starroute where are you?


If there isn't a perfect circle out there somewhere, why even bother?

Allot of good comments here.

7/17/2006 06:31:00 PM  
Blogger AJ said...

Brian is right.

We have all become pathetic conspiratorial negative placements for our country.
What is this doing to our Karma, may I ask?

I am resolutely going to register for divinity school at CBN/Regency and publicly burn all my copies of Anxious Gravity.

Sorry Jeff.

7/17/2006 06:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL

im going to study religion and burn books


how apt

7/17/2006 07:16:00 PM  
Anonymous off kilter said...

from wow to sheesh in less than 10 seconds! i think that's a new record.

call it speed denial.

"i must say that this is the biggest collection of "off kilter" folks that i've ever seen."

never been to a city?

"not everything is a conspiracy"

does that mean that nothing is? don't worry brian, go back to sleep, we'll wake you when it's over.

7/17/2006 07:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

The wife, children and I spent this past weekend in the North Carolina Mountains. We drove the Blue Ridge Pkwy to Craggy Gardens in the Black Mountain Range and hiked up to Craggy Pinnacle for a 360 degree view.

It was breath-taking and awe inspiring. We stood silent as the clouds moved through us brushing our souls with the breath of life. The silence was overwhelming......until it was starkly pierced and assaulted by the brutal unmuffled flatulence of a horde of motorcycle choppers.

As quickly as my spirit had ascended, it was plucked from its ephemeral lofty perch and dropped malevolently to the rocky depths below. These filthy, belching progeny and symbols/relics of the Industrial Age had violently raped the splendor of that glorious moment just as surely as the Industrial Age they represent repeatedly sodomized our beautiful planet, and continues the abominable violation to this day, with no cessation in sight.

The event jarred my memory about a commercial during the 70's of an Indian who is canoeing a river in New York and there is filth and pollution everywhere he looks. The camera pans in to a close-up of the Indian's face and he is crying. I share his lament.

7/17/2006 08:34:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Shrub, you may need more desensitivity training. Its done wonders for me.

I also vacationed this last week, the first one without kids. Bliss amidst the chaos.

7/17/2006 10:00:00 PM  
Anonymous JBD said...

These comments are ridiculously informative. Is there a procedure by which the comments are saved...like to the board?

I thank you all and especially our host.

7/17/2006 10:45:00 PM  
Anonymous nom du jour said...

To anon the chronicler,

So, tracking backward in time, the physical trail ends at Bauer and Weishaupt?

Then, when do we next witness a significant manifesting of Lucifer's dream? (Loking back).

7/17/2006 11:13:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

Well, actually everything *is* a conspiracy. I mean, that's what humans do. We invented language, which gave us the ability to pass information back and forth in private and with a high degree of detail. Since then, it's been conspiracies every step of the way.

Think about it. Four year olds get together and exchange secret knowledge -- while shutting out other four year olds. (Because after all, if everybody knows it, it's not a secret any more -- and what's the fun in that?) Twelve year olds develop secret signs, secret code words, secret forms of dress. Kids of that age probably love conspiracies better than anything, better even than fighting with their siblings.

Do you really think all that strange behavior is just some sort of childish eccentricity, soon to be left behind? Hell, no. It's preparation for the grownup world -- just as much as any other form of childhood play.

We define ourselves by whom we conspire with and whom we conspire against. Politicians conspire and businesspeople conspire and (dare I say it?) even bloggers conspire.

And nobody doubts for a moment that there are a million conspiracies going on all around us every day of the year -- until a really big conspiracy breaks out into the open. And then suddenly it becomes a kind of insanity to believe that a conspiracy of that size could actually be hatched and maintained and carried out in secret.

But why is it so forbidden to believe that conspiracies can scale up? The same natural laws that produce perfect storms and 9.0 earthquakes also demand that in a world with millions of micro-conspiracies and thousands of routine conspiracies, there are also going to be occasional mega-conspiracies. How could it be any different?

7/18/2006 12:10:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Anonymous writes:
“Your comments about how the truth about political events doesn’t really exist is, imo, only a partial truth itself. It’s a lot like those adherents to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle who claim, á la Schroedinger’s cat, that because humans may not capable of knowing something with certainty, that therefore the underlying reality does not in itself exist.
Rather than the humility of simply admitting one does not know, this strikes me as the ultimate in solipsism and narcissistic autocentrism, or anthropocentrism, in saying because I don’t know then, therefore, it doesn’t even exist.

Well, that’s an interesting response, but if anything it only illustrates my point. In defense of the Uncertainty Principle, which is off topic but also quite interesting, that’s not quite how it works. Yes, there’s an element of anthrocentrism to it, but it’s harldy narcissistic. According to Schrödinger, quantum events exist as probability waves until those waves “collapse,” through the agency of (presumably) human observation, which later theoriticians refine as consciousness. There’s all sorts of interesting work being done here at the frontiers of physics and consciousness, including retro-causation http://betterhumans.com/blogs/simon/archive/2006/06/20/Back_to_the_future_Conference_addresses_retrocausation.aspx and delayed choice, which goes something like this:

"’The universe is supposed to have existed for fifteen billion years, so if it takes consciousness to convert possibility into actuality, then how could the universe be around for so long?’ Because there was no consciousness, no sentient being, biological being, carbon based being, in that primordial fireball which is supposed to have created the universe, the big bang. But this other way of looking at things says that the universe remained in possibility until there was self-referential quantum measurement—so that is the new concept. An observer's looking is essential in order to manifest possibility into actuality, and so only when the observer looks, only then does the entire thing become manifest—including time. So all of past time, in that respect, becomes manifest right at that moment when the first sentient being looks.”

In this worldview, consciousness is creation, to which most people respond, “Whose consciousness?” The answer is that there is only “one” consciousness, the collective consciousness, also referred to as God, godhead, etc, depending upon your tradition. This idea, incidentally, is the cat that David Icke’s Reptilians very much want to keep in the bag, since we could, if we ever stopped fighting in their stupid conflicts, unthink them right out of existence. But Icke, it turns out, is a military/occult gatekeeper of the first order, and here’s why (which also rather neatly brings us back to your complaint about my narcissistic ignorance): You see, Icke peddles this Illuminati spiel, with it highly detailed chronology, seemingly corroborated by world events, etc, and people gobble it up, no questions asked. And what do they “do” with this secret knowledge, this final truth about the NWO, the Illuminati, the Rothschilds—the guys who really run the world? Well, nothing, because there is nothing to be done, it’s too late; their control is too strong, etc. Just what they want you to think. The typical adherent is either paranoid like a good little 21st Century Schizoid Man, in which case no one pays him any mind, or he’s paralyzed by the horror of it all—in either case, he isn’t going to cause any trouble for anyone.

I don’t really want to waste everyone’s time debunking Icke, although it’s really quite fun and not all that hard, since he’s such a tirelessly self-promoting intellectual flatulent, but I will just poke a hole or two so that you can see it’s possible. Let’s take a quick look at his sources: Albert Pike was, how did you put that, “a mason writing for other masons,” was he? Then how did we get a hold of this super secret, anal-pear-you-to-death-if-non-illumined-eyes-look-upon-it-“history”? It fell off the stagecoach? Bullshit. If it were real, and these guys were any more competent than the Bush White House, it never would have been left lying around or however it magically appeared. Or how about John Robison with his "Proofs of a Conspiracy”? So, he’s a 32nd degree mason, gets all the secret info, and then has a change of heart when he sees Weishaupt’s diabolical plan? After all the grisly rituals he’s going to get squeamish over a little banking collusion and world dominion? And the old fraternity lets him go, no hard feelings? And they own the goddamn world but can’t stop the publication of his kiss ‘n tell memoir? And you want to talk about logical inconsistencies? Wait, it gets better. The Rothschilds owned Marx and Nietzsche, did they? So, their lives were just cardboard cut-outs, only existing to prop up the theories they robotically pumped out for the Illuminati? What about Hegel and Kant? Were they also puppets who only existed to provide the necessary philosophical basis for Marx’s dialectic and Nietzsche’s noumenal/phenomenal dualism?

There’s a very strong right wing bias in Icke’s brand of bullshit—in the epic struggle between fascism and communism, the men in black are always the principled ones who are somehow tragically hoodwinked by the dirty Jews and the decadent philosophers—as if those meatheads understood a word of Nietzsche, who lived to regret his early praise of Wagner and later denounced him as an anti-Semitic swine. Icke doesn’t come quite out of Rense’s swastika-decorated closet and use the favorite phrase of Julius Streicher, “Jewish Bolshevism,” but the message is clear enough anyway. But enough of Icke and back to why believing in these theories is dangerous.

Once you accept one of these histories, you’re blinded by the seduction of conspiracism—you look no further for the “truth” and you brook no other interpretation. If something doesn’t fit the theory, it doesn’t get mentioned. Futhermore, the focus is taken off what the cabal (or whatever it is) does to maintain its position, other than the (most often Jewish) banking thing, so that the mechanism of oppression is rarely even considered. My point was that the whole structure, not just the banking but the entire capitalist system is based on a lie, the economy of scarcity. It wouldn’t matter so much that the Rothschilds had mountains of gold if everyone were rich, now would it? But an idea like that, or my other deep interest, the free energy puzzle (which would give every place on earth local autonomy, the antithesis of the NOW) would have a hard time penetrating the absorption of the details-laden pet theory because that’s the focus, just as it was meant to be. When I read these careful chronologies, I’m always reminded of beer can collectors talking about their collections in the ‘80s.

My point about not believing anything was simply that these stories are floating around out there for a reason. Not buying into them isn’t going to make them not real, you’re right. But neither is selling the farm, signing on the dotted line and relinquishing your objectivity, your God-given skepticism. Obviously, intelligent people wouldn’t give them any credence if there weren’t some elements of truth in them—all good disinformation does, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t ask, “Okay, and who stands to gain from people accepting this idea”? (Aside from the guy selling the book, DVD or T-shirt.)

7/18/2006 12:25:00 AM  
Anonymous jules said...

My wifes reading war in peace, its a bit shorter than this.

IC You seem like a someone with very similar influences to mine, and you seem like you have covered much of the same ground over the years.

I totally agree with you POV, about not buying into stuff. Thats why the Tom Brown website seemed so good, and sus. He seems to be all about indigenous WC American culture. About conveying the idea's of tracking from an indigine perspective.

Thats great by me. And if he can make a living out of it...

But where I live it is bad tho you wouldn't know it to look around. There is huge habitat destruction and species die off. that has nothing to do with the economics of scarcity, except that its a by product.

The economics of selfish stupidity. Thats why there is such a mess. there probably is a cross over between the concept og scarcity, the revolution of lowered expectations and that eco death.

There definitely is between the lowered expectations thing and social control. it stops people focsuing on the future and what they can do and causes their attention to fix on the powerful organisations and institutions of society for their behavioural cues.

Good call re Joly ands the misunderstanding of Neitzche.

Neitchze (sp?) was the one who called the state "the coldest of col monsters" one of my favorite quotes of all time. How anyone can read Neitchze and start the 3rd Reich or claim there is a genuine connection between N and Hitler is beyond me.

I have actually read the Protcols.

They are a croc. hard to pick but if you work at it. there is one paragraph that paraphrased says "we created democracy to destroy democracy". Once you accept that kind of drivel its time for a brane transplant. Swap it for a real brain.

But yeah free energy thats the holy grail.

I will be starting experiments with a Joe cell in the next few weeks, ... again.

Hear that oil co types, what ya gonna do about it? Nothing pussies - its too late there are hundreds round here now, and IF they work, well fuck paying $1.50 for a litre of petrol. If not there are other things on the boil.

Old Joe lives a few mountain ranges across and its out of his hands.

hey Shrub, once years ago I took some shrooms. In the middle of the night I had this urge to go climb one of the huge tropical Figs that are round here.

Sitting up in the middle among the night birds and bugs and the fruit bats, I started a conversation with the tree, or myself depending on your POV.

We were talking away and I asked how it felt about humanity, it obviously loved me, I could feel it, but what about my people who have done so much damage.

The tree said "watch".

And thirty seconds later a car came down the road, in those days we got less than 50 cars a day on the road. This prick of a thing made ugly noise had ugly bright lights and stank, and kicked up dust. It stopped down the hill drove back and forth like it was lost made up its mind drove off and was gone. Suddenly the peaceful nature scene returned. And all was like it was before the car drove past.

The tree said "See"

"What you worry about is like that car. It is a minor distraction and soon it will be gone."

I fully related to how you felt, having your peace shattered on that Craggy peak you mentioned. So did that tree, but it truly didn't bother it.

Its not all bad mate. Just annoying sometimes.

Cheers

7/18/2006 01:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here’s a bit of double-think / double-speak: According to Iridescent Cuttlefish, If you believe in a conspiracy, which would allow you to identify the conspirators, possibly anticipate and predict their actions, and therefore take some sort of ameliorative or evasive action of your own, then you are thinking futilely, stupidly, and self-defeatingly so.

Uh....yeah, right. I get it.

There is a prescription for being used if I ever heard one. Thanks so much for the advice, IC, but I’ll pass.

You have not added one whit of meaningful information to any debate, but rather have attempted to shut down the debate by trying to control the terms of the discourse, actually by attempting to void the terms of the discourse entirely. Why “participate” then? You are trying to prohibit free speech by casting aspersions on the writer, which are not based on anything which was actually written.

It is rather fascinating, and quite telling, that after days of extensive “conspiracy” posts detailing a deeper view of U.S. history that mainly casts aspersions on American WASPs, that as soon as someone dares to breathe the name Rothschild and hang a few facts and dates on it, the professional-quality debunkers come out of the woodwork to say how silly and stupid it all is, and how could anyone with half a brain believe any of THAT?

Absolutely impressive, and oh so telling it is, too. And, of course, someone has to sling the “anti-Semitic” canard when no such comments, agenda, or intent are indicated in the postings. Wow. If I tell you that I am a Jew, you will then call me a “self-loathing” one for daring to criticize, or even merely to highlight the history of anyone kindred when that history is not entirely flattering.

And you don’t think that a 32nd degree mason could have a conscience? Gee, you have faith in humanity, don’t you? Glad I have a higher opinion of my brothers and sisters in the human family than you do. Further, not all 32nd degree masons would be “illuminati” in any case. There are even some 33rd degree who are just well-known happy, smiling faces for the masses. And there are higher degrees than that.

Further, who said anything about David Icke? And why are you so intent on taking an unwarranted opportunity to smear him mercilessly? None of the Rothschild data, or anything about Pike for that matter, comes from him.

If you want to debate historical names and dates and actions taken, and results garnered, well fine then, rock on. But I don’t hear any of that. If all you want to do is sling second hand mud because of whose family history is being discussed, well then, you give yourself and your agenda away quite transparently.

I would said Q.E.D., but there is another 125 years of more current, similar history in the Rothschild timeline to that which was posted above, and with far more historical detail since it occurred more recently and is better known.

As far as your smoke and mirrors retelling of Schroedinger, his cat, the collapse of the wave function, the two-slit diffraction experiment (which you left out, along with Heisenberg, Nils Bohr and Albert Einstein et alii), et cetera, you really wouldn’t make it out of a Physics 101 course with what you wrote.

Yes, there certainly has been an intelligent Witness to creation. And we are but refractions of that. If you really believe the same, as you kind of, sort of, allude to, then perhaps you might consider that that Witness is, along with you, the witness to your heart.

Peace sister

7/18/2006 02:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Julius:

"We create democracy to destroy democracy."

Gee, that sounds exactly like Iraq.

Even the U.S., these days.

7/18/2006 02:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Btw, re provenance of sources:

Irie Cutfish claimed that Pike's writings don't really exist, or if they do, they are a forgery. That is almost beneath comment.

But for anyone who would believe such tripe, all of the masonic texts listed in the post above came from the library of a now-deceased "Sovereign Grand Inspector General" or 33rd degree Freemason of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. Many of the books are from the previous century, leather-bound, quite dusty and quite valuable, monetarily. Others are photo-reprints of the original texts and illustrations. All should be available in the present day from Kessenger Publishing via Amazon as, fairly expensive, reprints.

Now, don't go off and buy them, unless you have money to burn. There are far better things in this world to read.

The point is merely to refute the utter nonsense being spouted in claiming these texts are somehow forgeries floated for idiots to spin conspiracies from.

Disinfo much?

7/18/2006 02:45:00 AM  
Anonymous jules said...

" but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t ask, “Okay, and who stands to gain from people accepting this idea”? (Aside from the guy selling the book, DVD or T-shirt.)"

Look thats a very serious questiion. People often use conspiracy to replace faith in something else. like the government, religion some other power structure.

Conspiracies are power structures, and the biggest danger with the is that become dogmatic, instead of a tool to overcome and understand the fucked up mess that passes for political process.

One of the reasons people don't ask, "who stands to gain from me believing this", is cos one of the answers is "My Belief System".

At this stage said belief system is well on the way to becoming an entity with its life and will. Thats how thought forms form.

The context of we will use Democracy to destroy Democracy was one that implied that they would create the instiutions of free and fair elections and the like to destroy them.

Its not hard to predict Boosh wah (Im not even gonna attempt to spell that) behaviour and it follows the same equation. Given that writing the protocols and the applying to any time in history is not that big an ask.

Funny how people start criticising other people that challenge their belief systems. Mojo and IC have both copped this and they are actually making opposite points.

I apply the logic above and who benefits from reading and then believing the last few anonymous comments?

Well for a start the people whose belief system is being questioned.

"The point is merely to refute the utter nonsense being spouted in claiming these texts are somehow forgeries floated for idiots to spin conspiracies from."

See reading this makes me wonder what you are thinking. I know there are long drawn out posts here, and finding the details vand actually staying coherent about them.

The Protocols of the elders of Zion are forgeries.

There is heaps of research into this probably sponsered by Jews, but then if someone used them against your people and you were Jewish you would have an interest in showing they were false. Simply cos of the holocaustt (Oh what it didn't happen, oh well there you go, all those dead gypsies and poofs weren't actually killed AS WELL AS jews, well people the Nazi's defined as Jews, whether they were Jewish or not.)

Iridescent Cuttlefish said simply how can you be sure that is Pikes agenda. What he has written - the agenda may have changed since and the info is ok to release because of it. It is no longer important to keep it hidden.

Maybe it was forged, by people who have a strong desire to have other people believe that was what Pike thought.

Maybe not. Maybe it was edited carefully.

Either way ALL text (even this Im typing) is an attempt to push an agenda.

Until you understand that you are floating in this sea of conspiracy without having learned to swim.

Your analysis of our arguments anon, reminds me of a disinfo spiel. It doesn't tell the whole truth, just enough to support its POV.

Before you go screaming that I am calling you a spook, just remember Intelligence agencies USE THE SAME process of information hoarding and disinformation spreading that individuals use to protect their interests.

Sometimes those individual interests include a worldview that individual is particularly attatched to.

BTW My name isn't Julius, just for the record ;)

>>"We create democracy to destroy democracy."

Gee, that sounds exactly like Iraq.

Even the U.S., these days.<<

As I said that isn't what the protocols were referring to but its a brilliant summation of the situation.

7/18/2006 05:25:00 AM  
Anonymous jules said...

To illustrate.

I fopund a book called the manifesto, well thats what i'll call it. I can't remember the title or even if it had one.

it was a manifesto published by LOOMpanics, with a disclaimer saying it had turned up at their office unsigned, with a note saying that it had been provided by a member of the group who was having second thoughts.

It set out the planning of a conspiracy that would last from the 70s till about 5 or 6 years time, (no mention of 2012, but of 2010) as a general timeframe.

The organisation was intelligence IQ based, and aimed to reinstate Human Sacrifice, World Wide Slavery and the Abolition of Human freedom. So evil it must be a pisstake. A government run by people who actively and publically practised Black Magic.

It had no uniting meme other than power and intelligence. NO racial or gender bars, the only thing they were against was the concept of mercy. they sketched out a Reistag PNAC scenario, in vague detail.

I went to the bank to get cash out to buy the book (Not using a card system with a book like that thank you) and came back. It was gone.

WTF

In the intervening 15 years since much of what was sketched out in that manifesto has come true, in some vague form. It didn't provide specific details but sketched out a path of societal manipulation.

Fuck your protocols and other Bullshit. That manifesto was right on the money. Perhaps.

It certainly seems to be accurate now. But I never believed it, even tho from the first time I read the contents it all "made so much sense". I couldn't believe it back then, but it gave me chills anyway. I think it was that day, but definitely that week that I came across a copy of Simons necronomicon. Still have that, makes a good coffee cup coaster.

As time has gone on I can see the plans sketched out in that book coming to fruition. Especially since that fateful day nearly 5 years ago.

But I still find it very hard to actually believe it.

Maybe a lone nut wrote that manuscript/manifesto and enough power hungry dickheads read it liked the idea, went looking for the group then decided to set up their own version.

Maybe the dark forces were hunting me, and thats where the real conspiracy lies.

Maybe I had too many beers and joints at the local, before I typed this.

7/18/2006 05:40:00 AM  
Anonymous jules said...

The whole point is that if the answers are easy or don't change much, they are probably wrong.

7/18/2006 05:45:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Anonymous,
Why are you so personally invested in this? I certainly didn't mean to insult you by making fun of your Ickiness (you disavow Icke, but what you've posted is nearly verbatim, so...) Look, maybe you're right about everything, but where does this certainty come from? It amounts to a sort of orthodoxy, especially when you start fondling the dusty leather bindings of your holy books. I still maintain, however, that the most common effect of believing all that stuff, lock, stock and barrel, no bloody questions asked, is not to "anticipate" the actions of the Evil Ones or to "ameliorate" whatever needed ameliorating; it's the deer in the headlights syndrome, mate.

What's with all the personal stuff? We can discuss your holy of holies without you defending the family honor? What else? I didn't realize it was incumbent upon me to explain the Uncertainty Principle--is that some sort of test? If I'm Jewish? No, but thanks; love your nails.

As some of the more rational; posters here have pointed out, if the answer's that easy, it's probably not "true" or entire or current. My point was simply that if your belief system is dependent on some pet idea, conspiracy or otherwise, than you end up with a rather brittle constitution. You hold these things in far to much reverence to be healthy. Lastly, old friend, it might interest you to know that those who know me often tease me about my conspiracy mongering--what would they think if they saw you clutching your Pike and your Robison and yelling on the mountaintop?

7/18/2006 09:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I must agree. The Who is certainly interesting, but in order to break the shackles, it's the How and Why that are of most import.

Remember, one of my precepts for paradigmatic change is to eliminate the tendency to engender a Cult of Celebrity. The fixation on The Rothschilds, or The Bushes, or any number of nefarious groups, is to engender the Cult of Celebrity. Why? Because you give it status. As we know, infamy, especially these days, is as much celebrity status as traditional heroism. We love and crave the "Bad Guys" every bit as much as the "Good Guys," if not more. I say avoid the Idol Worship and concentrate on creating new realities that the "they" have to react to, rather than consistently having to react to "their" realities. Turn the tables, and before you know it, there will be no more "they."

Now, convince the majority to abide......that's the real, and most likely impossible challenge, but theoretically it's attainable.

7/18/2006 10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Something very odd occurred on our back patio yesterday, or at least we think it was yesterday....it may have been over the weekend while we were in North Carolina.

We have several flower pots full of Gerbera Daisies. We noticed that the top of one was sheered off with a clean cut, and the petals and stamin were scattered about in a 3-inch diameter circle in proximity to the pot from whence it emmanated.

We have a fenced back yard, and the fence doors were closed, so it couldn't have been a dog, or a deer, or any large four legged animal, but even if it was, it would have left a discernible jagged bite pattern on the stem, and as I said, it was a clear cut.

What the hell did that? Perhaps it was a spook sending a very veiled and obscure message?

See, one never knows. Sure, I have an active imagination, and most likely there's a perfectly average reason for this, but then again, maybe there's not.

I'm just using all of my senses.

7/18/2006 11:41:00 AM  
Anonymous starroute said...

It occurs to me, on reading over the posts since my previous one, that there is a dividing line between those who belief in One Big Conspiracy and those who believe in a multitude of ad hoc conspiracies of various sizes and intentions.

I'm of the latter mind, of course. I see conspiracies as a lot like the computer Game of Life -- constantly forming, growing for a time, perhaps merging briefly with other conspiracies and then breaking up again, finally dissipating like clouds on a sunshiney day. In both cases, the mechanism is the same -- cells/individuals influencing other cells/individuals that they are in direct contact with. And in both cases, the groupings are transient because they depend only on peer-to-peer contact, with no higher controlling mechanism.

One Big Conspiracy people, I think, do believe in such a higher controlling mechanism. They see irresistible ideas progapating themselves down the centuries. Or perhaps evil entities whispering in the ears of generation after generation. Or something -- not being one of them, I frankly have a hard time imagining just what they do think is going on.

I suspect they also tend to be monotheists -- at least, monotheism comes out of the same mindset of looking for a single First Cause for everything.

Not my bag of tea -- but then, everybody's got a right to their own opinion. (I've got a needepoint around somewhere that says that in Latin.) And it might be nice if the big-enders and little-enders among us would realize that all us Lilliputians are in this together.

7/18/2006 01:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to the ad hominem attacker known as Iridescent Cuttlefish,

You have no valid arguments to make, so you simply continue to sling mud and make associations to people who have no association with the posts put up, as a duplicitous way to try and discredit them.

To quote Jimi Hendrix:

"After a while, your cheap talk don't even cause me pain."

7/18/2006 02:34:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Anonymous,
Why are you so humorless? How do you expect anyone to take you seriously if you can't laugh at yourself? In case you missed my points due to my frivolous verbiage, I'll recapitulate and condense:

1.) It's a danger to believe you've found the final truth, since you won't be keeping your eyes open for other possibilities.

2.) If you subscribe to the belief in some nefarious master plan, you become convinced, knowingly or otherwise, that all that's needed is to somehow eliminate the bad guys and all will be well in the world again. This is the biggest danger. As bad as the Illuminati are, they are small potatoes compared to the system which they exploit in order to enslave us. It's the entire capitalist system which needs to be scrapped; otherwise, other criminals will just continue the criminality.

But seriously, lighten up and stop foamimg at the mouth--you're making a spectacle of yourself. Hugs and kisses,
I C

7/18/2006 05:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

Conspiracy theory is not a believe system. It is an inquiry. It is not a psychological crutch. It a discipline within sociology that co-relates with many other disciplines.

There are many factual items known.

MHO
Peace,
Om
Kris Millegan

7/19/2006 12:22:00 AM  
Blogger Leland Lehrman said...

Mojo Filter:

You left out Meyer Lansky and the Israeli connection to the JFK assassination through Tibor Rosenbaum and Shaul Eisenberg's Permindex. Check Michael Collins Piper's book Final Judgment on the important subject. Came back to bite us in the ass on 9/11 when Israel Corporation Zim Shipping ducked out of their WTC lease just in time, dropping plenty of dough on the deal.

I'd like to be able to contact you directly, so if you'd be so kind, please copy one of your excellent posts here to leland.lehrman@gmail.com and that goes for everyone else on this amazing blog. Thanks Rig Int.

Leland

7/19/2006 04:53:00 AM  
Blogger Highlander said...

On the Lucifer Project --

In addition to seeing a connection between the ignition of a new sun and the vision of the Third Sign (where all the Earth's skies bleed red, a portent that only those who flee to the deep places in the Earth will survive), I also remember reading, somewhere on this site, about a fellow who had very realistic dreams of possible futures, and in one of them, mankind was just moping around in some oppressive near future, where gasoline was unavailable and the electricity had been shut off and everyone was just waiting for something dreadful to happen.

Here's a thought -- what if something lives on Saturn, or in its atmosphere? What if that something takes an attempt to turn its environment into a sun as, you know, a hostile act?

Anyway, if anyone can give me links here to these two 'prophecies', so I don't have to hunt through all Jeff's archives myself, I'd appreciate it.

7/19/2006 06:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Sad Dad said...

An excellent post, Jeff.
Mojo Filter: A few comments:

"the horrifically bloody sacking of Jerusalem, where the Christians fighting in Jesus’ name made the streets run deep with blood, up to the horses’ knees, by eyewitness accounts in the historical record."

One thing you alluded to in the above quoted line but omitted, was the fact that the Christian Crusaders killed ever living Muslim inhabitant of Jerusalem, men, women, children and infants.

When considering the Crusaders abhorrent behavior towards Jerusalem's populace when they were conquering Jerusalem, Saladin's conduct toward the Crusaders and the city's Christian residents is extraordinary. He allowed them to leave the city unscathed and even provided them with rations for their way. An honorable outlaw indeed.

Here's a link to an article about the movie "Kingdom of Heaven": http://canmag.com/news/4/3/1150/1 It is this story.

One last thing on this - I would suggest taking a look at If Americans Knew.org to gain better understanding of the history which has brought us to today's Israeli/Palestinian situation. You'll find a perspective here you won't find reported in our press. Be sure to look at the maps.
Here's a link: http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/maps.html#historic

I see that someone has already posted extensively on the Rothschild's, so I'll limit my comment.

The Rothschild's indeed have had an active and determinative role in every war in Europe for the past several hundred years.

The fifth city they set up shop in was Vienna, Austria. I believe it's just around the corner from the Hapsburg's Treasure House, where The Spear of Longinus or by its better known, more common name, The Spear of Destiny, is housed.

The spear is that which Longinus supposedly pierced Christ's side with. A few nails from the "True" cross were later Christian additions to it.

The Spear is an ancient Jewish talisman, forged in remote ancient times, supposedly from the same meteorite that ironically is the most holy of all Muslim sites, The Kaaba in Mecca. This is the object of and the reason for Muslims' pilgrimage to Mecca, a visit to God's 'Black Rock'. With reverence and in continual prayer, they ever more closely approach this sacred extraterrestrial object, moving in in great counter clockwise until they finally can reach out and touch it, bringing them to a point of eschatological ecstasy. This is the site where Abram, (later to be known as Abraham, the progenitor of Judaism and Islam), destroyed all shrines of worship erected around this wondrous metallic gift from the gods, because he would tolerate no other God before his. He then erected his own altar and shrine to his one true god, Yhwh. This is where Religious Intolerance first took root. (And the 15 cent admission fee.)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaba

The Spear is supposed to imbue its possessor with powers to accomplish extraordinary evil or good, as its bearer is so inclined.

It was recognized to be the symbol representing the Temple's ruling religious authority, the Sanhedrim, by the ruling Romans, and that whoever carried it spoke with the full authority of that body. It was they who put Jesus before Pontius Pilot for judgment, but Pilot declined to judge Jesus in what may have been one of history's first recorded acts of the Separation of Church and State.

The Romans felt that the dilemma of Jesus, the supposed 'King of the Jews', was a uniquely Jewish problem and those being the contentious times that they were, that they shouldn't get involved. You know the story. I think it's known today as the 'Clean Hands Doctrine'.

The religious leaders of the temple, the Sanhedrim, became convinced that there existed a prophecy that claimed that "not a bone of the messiah's body would be broken". To remedy this and to assure that this Jesus guy was not the true Messiah, they sent out their representatives, who were carrying the Spear along with them to signify the validity of the order they brought with them to give to the Roman guards. It was ordered that all those poor souls being crucified that day were to be bludgeoned and have their bones broken. And so it began.

Longinus, the Centurion in charge of the executions, witnessing these grotesque acts with growing revulsion, became overcome with emotion and he, on horseback, charged forward and tore the spear from its bearer's hand and then continued on to pierce Jesus' side with it to cause his death in an act of mercy, in order to prevent this desecration from occurring to him, and in doing so he actually fulfilled the biblical prophecy.

It is claimed that Hitler's true motive in taking Vienna as one of his first acts as Fuehrer, was to steal the Spear from the Hapsburg's, and not his resenting that city for rejecting him as a budding young artist. (I think Cheney's sleeps with it under his pillow.)

7/19/2006 04:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mofti Jor-El writes...

Sad Dad, Great post! So why are you sad?

Only one important correction to make: Saladin was no “outlaw.” Not by any definition.

Salah ad-Din is an honorific that means Righteousness of the Faith in Arabic. He was a 12th century Kurdish Muslim from Tikrit, in present day northern Iraq, who founded the Ayyubid dynasty which included Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Mecca Hejaz and Diyar Bakr.

Saladin was renowned in both the Christian and Muslim worlds for his leadership and military prowess, most notably for it being tempered by chivalry and mercy during his struggle against the Crusaders.

In 1187, Saladin recaptured Jerusalem for the Muslims after defeating the self-crowned Christian “King of Jerusalem” at the Battle of Hattin near the Sea of Galilee. When Saladin’s soldiers entered the city of Jerusalem, they were not allowed to kill or assault either Christians or Jews, nor to rob people or damage the city, in accordance with Qur’anic teaching on the conduct of war. For such behavior, the more successful Saladin was, the more he was seen by the Muslims as being their natural leader.

The Christians of western Europe were stunned by the success of Saladin. Pope Gregory VIII ordered another crusade immediately to regain the Holy City for the Christians. This was the start of the Third Crusade, led by Richard I (Richard the Lionheart), Emperor Frederick Barbarossa of Germany and King Philip II of France.

Frederick was drowned on his march across Europe at the age of 70. His death shocked his army and only a small part of it continued to the Middle East.

Richard, Philip and their men traveled by boat. En route they stopped in modern day Sicily. In March 1191, Philip then sailed to the port of Acre which was controlled by the Muslims. This was an important port to capture for the Christians as it would allow them to easily land their ships and it was also the nearest big port to Jerusalem. Acre was besieged. Philip's men were joined by Richard's.

He had captured Cyprus first before moving on to Acre. The port could not cope against such a force and in July 1191, it fell to the Christians. However, the siege left Philip exhausted and he departed for France. Richard remained to lead the third crusade alone.

While in control of Acre, the Christians massacred 2000 Muslim soldiers whom they had captured. Saladin had agreed to pay a ransom for them but Richard ordered their execution.

The march south to Jerusalem by Richard’s army was very difficult. The Crusaders kept as near to the coast as possible to allow ships to supply them. It was also slightly cooler with a coastal breeze. Regardless of this, the

Christians suffered badly from the heat and lack of fresh water. At night when the Crusaders tried to rest, they were plagued by tarantulas. Their bites were poisonous and very painful.

Both sides fought at the Battle of Arsur in September 1191. Richard won but he delayed his attack on Jerusalem as he knew that his army needed to rest. He spent the winter of 1191 to 1192 in Jaffa where his army regained its strength. Richard marched on Jerusalem in June 1192.

However, by now even Richard the Lionheart was suffering. He had a fever and appealed to his enemy Saladin to send him fresh water and fresh fruit. Saladin did just this - sending fresh fruit packed in snow to the Crusaders so they would have food and water. Why would Saladin do this?

Because he was a faithful muslim.

7/19/2006 06:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Sad Dad said...

Saladin certainly was an outlaw!

He was not only an outlaw, but he was also a ruthless butcher. His reputation was such that his word could not be trusted by the Arab nobility and he gained notoriety by robbing their caravans and holding their passengers hostage, whom he then later ransomed, and sometimes freed. Sometimes he collected the ransom and then murdered his captives.

The tribal leaders most reluctantly appointed him to head their united Islamic forces in their battle to retake Jerusalem because of his untrustworthiness and brutal reputation. They did so knowing Saladin was exactly the kind of 'killing machine' they determined was needed for their victory, he being the most ruthless man they knew of, and that he would even the score with the Christians for the carnage they wrought in Jerusalem.

It is true that his reputation was in the gutter until after his nation had suffered the catastrophy of the genocide of Jerusalem. He resurected himself with his unbelievably compassionate act towards the Christians he vanquished in Jerusalem. (He sort of reminds me of Giuliani after 9/11, sans the compassion.)

As you can see by your research on Saladin, although seemingly thorough it's incomplete. It is difficult to find the truth!

Why Sad Dad?

I've posted here before, but for those unfamiliar with my tag:

As if there's not yet enough misery in the world:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/specials/shooting/index.asp

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/277904_memorial18.html

http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=huff18m&date=20060718&query=Huff+Report

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2006/07/17/2003133196.pdf

The forces of darkness are in motion.

Shed your fear.

7/19/2006 11:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Sad Dad, I checked out a number of the links you put up. I had not heard of that incident in Seattle. If you are a dad of one of those kids, or in any way connected to that tragedy, then my heart truly goes out to you.

Not much was written about the killer. From the description of his facial expression while he was on his rampage, it sounds as if he was either some kind of schizophrenic, or brainwashed. Who did he call on his cell phone just before picking up the weapons to shoot?

As far as Saladin being an outlaw, there seems to be a misunderstanding of the culture. Caravan raiding was a time-honored occupation among the Bedouin peoples of the Hijaz, and other tribal desert cultures in the Middle East before the advent of Islam. It continued to be an expected and tolerated part of muslim culture after the advent of Muhammad.

Caravan raiding rarely involved killing people. That was considered dishonorable and cause for retaliation in kind. Rather it was a ritualized form of redistributing wealth. And since there was no law, per se, prior to Muhammad, there were no outlaws. In fact, it was known as the time of lawlessness.

Muhammad led caravans for a wealthy widow, Khadija, whom he later married. And continued to be a caravan merchant after he began his recitations of what would become the Qur’an. It was he who smashed the idols in the Kaaba in rejection of polytheism, not Abraham. Abraham, along with his son Ishmael, is said to have built the Kaaba. The idols came into the picture later, as Abrahamic monotheism degenerated in the Hijaz over the centuries.

Mecca was a place of pilgrimmage long before Islam, as different tribes came to pay homage to their idols within the Kaaba. Muhammad smashed or destroyed all of the idols and images within but one, intentionally leaving only one image to remain inside the Kaaba. That was a depiction on one of the walls of Jesus and his mother Mary, which is still there to this day, according to all reports. That is because within Islam, Jesus is the most highly honored prophet other than Muhammad.

When Muhammad put an end to the polytheists’ pilgrimmages to Mecca, his own tribe the Quresh began to suffer economic harm, and the majority of them rejected his teachings. On the night of the hijira, the muslims’ escape and migration to Yathrib (later Medina), the Quresh tried to assassinate Muhammad.

When the Quresh continued to attack Muhammad and his followers in Yathrib, he went into open rebellion against them, defeating the combined forces of all the tribes over a period of years with fewer than a thousand men, and eventually returned to Mecca in peace.

Even after that, caravan raiding continued as part of the culture, and many raiders were lionized, along the lines of Robin Hood. Though they also certainly enriched themselves, they still weren’t really considered outlaws. Often a certain camel or camels would be loaded up and left vulnerable within a caravan, as a sort of tithe to the raiders.

Now I’ve read two very lengthy biographies of Saladin, well over 1,200 pages in total, but that was several years ago, and my memory certainly is not infallible by any means. One of the bios relied heavily on the diaries and correspondence of a high ranking factotum to the Sultan who was placed in Saladin’s service, in part as a spy, and who was also involved in some later intrigue against Saladin on his own personal behalf. So he wasn’t particularly biased in favor of Saladin. But I have never read a word of the kinds of pejorative descriptions you have written.

And the Sultan chose Saladin for the retaking of Jerusalem to get him away from court, as he was increasingly popular, and regarded as competition for leadership. In fact, my recollection was that he was sent to Jerusalem because it was assumed he would fail, and the problem of his rivalry would thus have been solved. The reason the Sultan feared him was because Saladin was considered to be an unparalleled exemplar of the muslim religion.

Saladin’s honor was distinctly his appeal to his men, and that is why he was such an effective leader. This has often been the case historically in Islam, that the men seen as having the highest morals and grace in the conduct of their religion attract the most loyal and ardent followers.

This scenario is still playing itself out in Lebanon today, where men with only rifles and hand grenades are fighting fearlessly against a military force armed with tens of billions of dollars worth of tanks, F-16 fighter bombers, Apache helicopters, all fed with satellite data, and so on, ie. the most sophisticated killing technology on earth. The men fighting in Lebanon have none of that.

Saladin had a long and varied career, and has had very many chroniclers. Even Richard the Lionheart, who never was able to defeat Saladin, nor to retake Jerusalem from him, spoke admiringly of Saladin. Richard was certainly begrudging of, and terribly frustrated by, Saladin, but Richard was a profound admirer of his, nonetheless. And his words to this effect have been recorded in the history books.

I would venture to say that only a biased British polemicist would ever describe Saladin as “bloodthirsty”, and I would consider that to be very likely a dishonest slur against the man admired even by his enemies for his honor and humanity, even in the caldron of battle and in the flush of conquest. That is exceedingly rare at any time and in any place on earth.

But enough about war.

To peace,

~Joe Formlit

7/20/2006 07:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some days ago i read an article from AsiaTimes in the blog www.wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com which alleged that the israeli soldiers had been captured(not kidnapped) in Lebanon...Now ive found confirmation:

Were the captured Israeli soldiers inside Lebanon?
Category: Lebanon — Bob @ 12:14 am

From The National Council of Arab Americans blog

The Israelis so far have not been able to enter
Aita al-Shaab to recover the tank that was exploded by
Hizbullah and the bodies of the soldiers that were
killed in the original operation (this is a main
indication that the operation did take place on
Lebanese soil, not that in my opinion it would ever be
an illegitimate operation, but still the media has
been saying that it was inside ‘Israel’ thus an
aggression first started by Hizbullah).

http://polizeros.com/2006/07/18/captured-israeli-soldiers
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CONFIRMATION: ISRAELI SOLDIERS WERE INSIDE LEBANON
WHEN CAPTURED
TRANSLATION OF SECOND PARAGRAPH: "Here facts:
Hezbollah requires since long years the release of
prisoners held by Israel, such as Samir el Kantar,
imprisoned since 1978, Nassim Nisr and Yahia Skaff
which is imprisoned since 1982. In many occasion, it
let know that the weather would not fail to be captive
in its turn Israeli soldiers - if Ci-that-Ci had been
suddenly introduced in Lebanon, and to use them like
monnaire of exchange. In a deliberated way, Tsahal
sent a commando in the Lebanese back-country to Aïta
Al Chaab. It was attacked by Hezbollah, making two
prisoners. Israel A then pretends to be attacked and
attacked Lebanon. Hezbollah, which prepared to face an
Israeli aggression that each one knew imminent since
the Syrian withdrawal, drew from the
intermediate-range missiles on Israel. "
Posted Jul 20, 2006 05:47 PM PST
Category: LEBANON

This story, in French, confirms what the Asia Times
reported. Israel sent their soldiers across the border
into Aïta Al Chaab. It was there, on the Lebanese side
of the border, where Hezbollah took them prisoner.

the french original is here:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article142056.html

also the story is here:

'Tyre, Southern Lebanon - Lebanon\'s pro-Syrian Shiite
movement is back in the spotlight after capturing two
Israeli soldiers on Wednesday, plunging the country
into a crisis that could lead to new violence in the
region.

According to analysts here, Hezbollah followed in the
footsteps of the Palestinian movement Hamas, whose
militants last month captured an Israeli soldier
sparking a massive Israeli offensive into the Gaza
Strip.

Despite the fear of a wide-scale Israeli assault
operation similar to Gaza\'s offensive, the capturing
of the two soldiers have prompted many Lebanese,
especially followers of the Shiite movement, to
celebrate with gunfire. The kidnapping was described
by Hezbollah chief Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah as the
\'honest promise to all Lebanese prisoners.\'

In the afternoon, the scene changed in the streets of
southern Lebanon, which was the target of 32 Israeli
raids that mainly targeted areas near the area where
the two soldiers were captured in Aita al Chaab, close
to the border with Israel.
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1180404.php/Hezbollah_back_in_the_spotlight_after_capturing_soldiers

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Reuters, using israeli sources has been saying it was is israel:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200607/s1685306.htm

It looks as if israel is repeating its 1967 practice of provoking thru sending soldiers into Lebanon.

7/21/2006 02:45:00 AM  
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Get real. From their point of view, too much is at stake to be left to either chance or democratic procedures.

The result is that anything that matters get fixed long before the rest of us hear anything about it.

7/21/2006 07:25:00 AM  
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