Tuesday, July 11, 2006

Simon Says




Just a brief update to last November's post Weird Tales.

Peter Levenda added a comment, "there will be a book coming out next year concerning the history of the Simon / Avon / Necronomicon that should set much of this argument and controversy to rest. This is not Sinister Forces Book Three, the Manson Secret, but a book by another author and another publisher. When I have more definite information, I will pass it on to your readers."

I haven't heard more, but Saturday afternoon, over the quaint and curious volumes of forgotten lore shelved in the "controversial knowledge" section of Bay and Bloor's Indigo Books, I found it. Alongside matching, shiny new editions of "Simon's" Necronomicon and The Necronomicon Spellbook was his Dead Names: The Dark History of the Necronomicon.

Regarding the mystery of his identity, Simon writes nothing here to dispell the contention that he is, himself, Levenda. For one thing, all of the named principals other than Levenda are dead, while Simon himself remains a cypher. And whenever Levenda drifts away from the scene, "Simon" appears. Many of the anecdotes surrounding the book's genesis are Levenda's, and while this might be expected since every other source is deceased, Simon also shares a number of ticks familiar to Levenda's readers, such as "wandering bishops," the Manson clan and other pop and occult signposts.

But even as a mere character in Simon's story, Levenda looms large. It's said that as high school seniors in 1968 staring down the draft, Levenda and friend William Andrew Prazsky hit upon the idea of exploiting the clergy deferment, and created the Slavonic Orthodox Church in Exile. So Levenda himself became a wandering bishop. (An early adventure is said to have been their crashing Robert F Kennedy's memorial service, and actually leading the clerical procession out of St Patrick's Cathedral.)

As Prazsky and Levenda advanced in the ranks of schismatic clergy, they drew to themselves the attention of anti-communist operatives and the US military, who used the Eastern European paper churches as cover for intelligence gathering, arms-smuggling and more. According to a colonel with Selective Services, the catch to Levenda's deferment was that he act as part of a "team" constituted by the American Orthodox Catholic Church (the church of wandering Bishops David Ferrie and Jack Martin), and make himself "available for such assignments as needed." Simon writes that Levenda attended meetings of various antiwar groups [and] listened to members of the Weather Underground, the Black Panthers, the IRA and other more radical organizations." He found himself under surveilance, photographed by the driver of a car parked across the street of his family's apartment, and decided to leave the church. (This prompted a revocation of Levenda's deferment, until he responded with a "veiled threat" to expose what he knew, and it was reinstated until the end of the draft.)

Simon stands by the story that The Necronomicon surfaced in Manhattan as part of a rare book theft ring run by two Slavonic monks, Michael Hubak and Steven Chapo (though the New York Times identified them as "defroked Byzantine Priests"). It's now a better story with the bishops wandering about in the background, but it's still one that stretches credulity some distance. He suggests that the original manuscript was burned by Prazsky when he feared discovery that he was in possession of stolen goods, and that his own photocopies of the text "degraded with time. In less than ten years the ink had disappeared from the pages and I was left with a mass of useless, curled and shiny paper."

Dead Names reads like a mature reimagining of a youthful hoax, borrowing a number of the tropes of Levenda's far superior, and hence less popular and potentially more subversive, Sinister Forces. In thirty years, nearly a million copies of Simon's Necronomicon have been sold on the cheap, like metaphysical crack to schoolyard Satanists, making it difficult now to say "Just kidding." Especially when so many occultists have found it does what it says, and some things it doesn't say.

93 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Simon says:
Gasping for air?
Necronomiconfused?
Feel like you might just be
Drowning in the Eschaton? Hmm?
New World Order gotcha down, Bunkie?
Got dem Armageddon da heck outa here blues?
Herewith a homeopathic Meta-Physick: Panpyracea
– Antidote to all of the aforesaid afflictions, and more:
.

Suffering from just a little touch of madness, eh?
Wond’ring what to do so as to chase those blues away?
Could be that you’ve caught a case of something from the
news:
The Drowning in the Eschaton Conspiracy Blog Blues.
First you must identify the source of that which ails,
Then apply your heart and mind to heal it – never fails.
Conspiracy includes within it piracy for sure,
Spell it out in case you doubt it, so begins the cure.
How to get your head above the swirling waters cold?
Take a look and listen to the stories we’ve been told:
Werner von Braun was a fleeing Nazi with a rocket,
Coming down the rat line, paperclip inside his pocket.
Man has landed on the moon and soon will tackle Saturn,
Project Lucifer, and Lucis Trust, would see it burn,
So create a star igniting atmospheric churn,
Then declare the Mahdi, and the antiChrist in turn.
This is what “they” have in store for you, their dreams, their
hopes.
Wake up, smell the coffee, now ignore the chattering dopes.
Alex Jones he talks a good game while he lifts your wallet,
Preaching down in Texas like another Rush. Let’s stall it.
How exactly is it that he thinks his words redeem us,
Babbling, swilling beer and smoking – one fat, racist Jesus?
Henry Makow told the truth at first and then dissembled,
Now his theories criticize the very thing resembled.
Looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and wears it’s feathers
proudly,
It ain’t what it seems to be, he says, while quacking loudly.
David Icke will fly you to Cloud Cuckoo Lizard Land,
Even though he still doles out some bits of truth in hand.
What about Jeff Wells, who’s so obsessed with death and
sex?
Pederast occultists are stacked up upon his decks.
Darkness prowls his website like a thunderhead at dusk,
A Kansas cyclone spinning into nothingness, a husk.
Greg Syzmanski’s Jesuit rap makes me want to puke
The oldest dodge and cover in the book. It is no fluke
All these bozos are as phony as a three cent coin.
Some seem real at first but then the truth they do purloin.
Tell the truth then mix it up with lies – disinformation –
That’s the ticket to the path that misleads every nation.
Global warming is as big a threat as a world war.
It is here, right now, just like old Babylon’s great whore.
Burn that oil, fight that war and kill your neighbor quick,
Else you won’t get what you want for Christmas – it’s so sick.
Give us all your money and your blood, we want it now.
We, the Glory of the Olive, people of the cow.
Heifers red and temples rent asunder in the dust,
Chaos is that which we crave, we’re bent on going bust.
You can stop it, yes you can, and stop it all you must.
Start by knowing where and when, in what to place your trust.
Don’t let anger, rage and folly lead you fast astray,
Knowledge is not wisdom, give up “magic”, better pray.
Seek and ye shall find the truth without which none do live:
God is One but we are many, therefore as we give
Thanks to God we realize to God we must surrender,
To the One Creator, the Sustainer. Never render
Ahriman, the shayatin, the whisperer, the beast,
Dajjal, nor his partners any sustenance, the least.
Starve them of their stock in trade, that’s anger, lust, and greed,
Envy, gluttony, old sloth, and pride, on which they feed.
Just deny them all of it, the air they breathe is sin.
The way the New World Order will be stopped is from within.
Resistance is not futile, but it all depends on how
One decides to manifest it. Better start, like now.
Faith can move a mountain, so can dynamite, D9’s,
All are different aspects of the cosmic egg’s designs.
Choose your path of action wisely, follow it with faith.
Use your mind and heart incisively. There is no wraith,
Nor tulpa, succubi, no ghost nor elf in which to trust –
Demons are just that, it’s all a shit swamp, festering fust.
Somewhere soon or later one will have to face the Real –
Each of us will have to answer for all that we deal.
Wakan Tanka, Yahweh, God, aLlah are a few names
For something that’s infinite and way beyond all games,
And at the same moment present, closer to us than
That through which our life passes, our very jugular vein.
Free will is our blessing and, as well, potential curse,
Using it to make a moral choice yields good from worse.
Leave the words behind, look to your conscience, to your heart –
Listen well to what you ought to know by now, then start
Living it and breathing it, each day and every night.
Lesson one, from way back: No two wrongs will make a right.
Lesson two: The ends can never justify the means.
These are the beginnings of becoming Human beings.
To become a fully human being is a goal
Worthy of each one of us, our true appointed role.
Should enough of us embark upon this mighty task,
No tyrant could ever rule us, no one in a mask
Ever could deceive us long enough to stomp us down.
We would see the lie and undertake to melt the crown
Thrust upon its head by the deceivers of the nations.
Ho. Mitakuye Oyasin. ALL of our relations.

.

7/11/2006 07:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone who finds the time
Must now attempt to find a rhyme
When leaving a comment to this post
The words that please the most
Are those that end with the right sound
No matter what meaning is found
But please don't try to scan
That's more than Simon can

7/11/2006 08:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Internal Skeltonics, bereft, this poem
Which leads the acolyte to Rome

7/11/2006 08:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Subliminal Minister said...

Wow. Personal attacks aside, I find your words very encouraging. I'm copying them to print and put next to my computer, so when the darkness of it all threatens to swallow me in it, I can remember to "take the leash that's leading me."

Thank you.

7/11/2006 08:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Quanah said...

To anon 7.01:

Inspired words! Now ready yourself for heaps of scorn and abuse for implying there may be something
greater than we can understand
dwelling here in Newton's wonderland
a bush takes the cue, and who's the ball?
the preterite here unaware the fall
'cos you never know that you've been left behind
if you've never left the ground the whole damn time!

7/11/2006 08:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Quanah said...

I'm currently in Berlin, relying on the grace of my café-based wireless connection to keep up, and was on vacation with family last week in Bavaria (I'm not that interested in the World Cup), so I'm behind the curve on the ongoing discussions. But I want to say something about Peak Oil.

Unless Gold's theories of limitless oil are for real, it only makes sense that there is such a thing as Peak Oil: I mean, if there are only a certain number of millions of gallons available for extraction, at some point the world's demand will exceed extraction capacity, and prices will go up. And, at some point, we will have extracted the last drop.

But, besides the time I spend in Berlin, I have spent my entire life in Houston, New Orleans, and Mobile, AL, and have heard from too many anecdotal sources who actually work in the Gulf of Mexico oil fields that extraction is kept at 25% of capacity to not believe it. (I also heard similar while working at BPS in New Orleans, which in the eighties had the managing contract for the SPR.) Peak Oil absolutely fits into the master narrative this cabal of criminals is constructing ("we make our own reality"), whether or not it's a real thing (and only Cheney, Bush and the sultans of Saudi Arabia know for sure), but limiting extraction can make "Peak Oil" last for a really long time...

My wife and I have a 19-month old and she's already so smart it scares the bejeezus out of my wife and me. I hope her tulpas are friendly...

7/11/2006 10:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But if he stood and watched the frigid wind
Tousling the clouds, lay on the fusty bed
Telling himself that this was home, and grinned,
And shivered, without shaking off the dread
That how we live measures our own nature,
And at his age having no more to show
Than one hired box should make him pretty sure
He warranted no better, I don't know.
--Phillip Larkin

7/11/2006 10:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Devil's Advocate. said...

*Yawn*

Sorry to rain on your parade, Jeff, but the Necronomicon has been exposed again and again as a hoax (see here, or here, or here or even here for instance).

By the way, I think it was Robert Anton Wilson who first enunciated the theory that everything H.P. Lovecraft ever wrote was the absolute and undiluted truth.

The interesting thing for me -- as a total skeptic, of course -- is that so many people really want to believe in dark, sinister forces that control all of human destiny and are behind some sort of devilish plan to enslave and slaughter all of us.

Whether you are talking about H.P. Lovecraft entertaining visions of supernatural horrors, the satanic abuse network, the 9/11 byzantine (and totally improbable) plots, the politically-oriented Illuminati secret society or even the infiltration of the U.S. Governement by communist agents, all of these theories really have one thing in common...

They are a soothing fantasy. A form of quasi-religion for the retarded masses. Something that allows them -- and you -- to wrap yourselves in self-righteousness and wring your chubby little hands while scapegoating every minority in sight and justifying your own prejudices and racism... All the while doing absolutely nothing to have a positive impact on the world's problems.

Essentially, all these paranoid fantasies posted on the web are nothing more than a big circle jerk-off for maladjusted nerds and assorted gun-nuts. The kind that still live in their parent's basement at 40 years of age, and probably surf the internet for porn when they are not looking for more child-abuse conspiracy theories (not that there is anything wrong with porn, mind you).

All in all, most of the posters here are pathetic little right-wingers. Or even worse, pathetic little left-wingers. If there is a conspiracy, little sheep, "it" must be laughing its tentacled head off at you.

You are, after all, doing exactly what "it" wants you to do: cry over your little computers without ever doing anything constructive, like, well, protesting the war in Iraq or fighting against injustice and hatred.

Which you are absolutely incapable of, since you'd rather jerk off in your basement, reading the latest posting by Jeff on how little children are savagely abused by satanic cultists, in league with the Rockfellers and Rostschild of this world. Face it: some -- if not most -- of you would love to be a part of such a conspiracy, where sex (underage, gay, S&M or otherwise) and drugs and rock'n'roll are free and you are above the law. Pathetic little creeps that you are, you never even realize that the very fantasies you bash and bash are nothing more than that: the dark wet dreams of your own frustrations. Deep down inside, you wish you could, just this once, be that powerful.

Come on, people! If you need pussy this bad, just call the nearest escort service. Or buy some lube and use your right hand.

And, yes, that's also valid for the so-called "Xians" among you, the milquetoasts who probably dream about raping little girls in the back seat of their dirty car. All in the name of Yasu, the son of Dog, pretending to worry their beautiful overweight innocent "children" are going to be raped by evil gay leftist satanists or some-such. All the while sprinkling your holier-than-thou stupid blather with quotes from a book you do not understand and probably haven't even read. You disgust me, all of you.

So, Jeff, please enjoy your small notoriety... By the way, how does it feel to be a pornographer for the repressed child rapists, the nazi fringe and the bipolar paranoid delusional? How is the book doing? I find it interesting that one of the very first thing that's on your site is an advertisement for your book...

The fact is, you are selling smut, dear sir, and smut of the worst kind. No matter how loud you protest, I really do think you are peddling a form of pornographic religion, one that can only attract the maladjusted and terminally mentally ill.

Do you even believe half of the drivel you post on your site, Jeff? I think not. You are just cynically peddling stupidity to drooling idiots. I hope it pays well, but unfortunately money can't buy integrity.

OK, I am finished. That was my last post on "Rigorous Intuition" (more like "rigid erection" for the child rape fantasy set, as far as I am concerned). Feel free to criticize me and call me a stooge for the dreaded Conspiracy, but if there is any hint of intelligence left in your brain, or just an ounce of decency, I think you should go out and do something about the real problems of this world: the racism, the poverty, the inequality, the corporate power, the pollution, the global warming, etc.

There are so many to choose from. Just pick one and try to make a difference. Then, feel free to come back and insult me all you want. Not that I care.

Signed: The Devil's Advocate.

PS: I am sure this rant will be deleted 5 minutes after it is posted. Byt don't worry, gentlemen, I'll repost it regularly just to test your patience...

7/11/2006 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous dude h said...

i can see it. "pornography" is a little strong, but there is a certain strange thrill that has come over me while reading this post or that over the last two years. but its not a sexual gratification. more, it is a feeling of being "on the right track." like one is starting to see the patterns behind the scenes.

i have learned a LOT from reading this blog and i dont regret a minute of it. sorry that you feel so strongly otherwise.

7/11/2006 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Then they attack you".

Keep it goin' Jeff!

This is Truoblefunk, I don't know what's up w/blogger.

7/11/2006 12:25:00 PM  
Blogger Et in Arcadia ego said...

You can always guage the success of one of Jeff's posts by the reactions it earns.

The Necronomicon's probably the most successful accident I've ever personally witnessed..

7/11/2006 12:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This caught my eye:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=24150

"One international official told me of reports among his staff that a 15-year-old girl had been beheaded and a dog's head sewn on her body in its place; and of a young child who had had his hands drilled and bolted together before being killed."

7/11/2006 01:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I find the Harry Potter series much more insightful and interesting.

This Necronomicon Crapola is for The Birds.

Mike Dow's an Asshat and a Crook.

7/11/2006 01:47:00 PM  
Anonymous what-a-sell-out said...

Simon says obey the beast that created you:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/434046p-365699c.html

Gannon firing away at 'bias'

Conservative scribe Jeff Gannon — who lost his White House press perch over that awkward thing about being a gay escort — comes to New York this week to tell us about "the issue of liberal bias in mainstream media."

Which is kinda funny, given that he's the poster boy for right-wing media bias.

"That whole concept is ridiculous," Gannon told us. "I'm a conservative, [and] this administration has disappointed conservatives on spending, judicial nominees, immigration, and many of my questions would call them to account for those things."

Okay, then. And what about those online gay-escort ads?

"Frankly, so much of that stuff was overblown and absolutely false," he said on the phone from Washington. "All of these were talked about on the Internet, and I don't think the Internet quite has the credibility to be taken just at face value." But you're a blogger. "I'm not saying that all of the Internet should be dismissed completely."

Are you dating now, commercially or otherwise?

"Even though I am a public person now, I'm invoking the Anderson Cooper rule about my personal life," he replied.

No doubt Anderson will be thrilled he's a "rule."

Gannon is slated to address the Log Cabin Republicans Thursday at the 3 West Club.

7/11/2006 01:51:00 PM  
Anonymous A. Magnus said...

Hey Devil's Advocate, how about some action of your own to back up your talk, tough guy? What the hell are YOU doing besides dressing up in a clown suit and singing 'Kumbaya' while holding a sign saying 'War is Bad' in front of City Hall? You think that fixes anyone's wagon? Just wait to Il Duce in DC declares martial law, then we'll see how long your little attitude lasts after half a dozen police tazers hit you.

It's obvious you've been drinking the kool aid since day one; instead of paying attention to history and understanding that like interests act in concert, you believe in eternal coincidences. What's worse, is that you have a high enough horse to say what others are 'doing wrong' in your opinion, but you have ZERO effective solutions.

Here's a few of mine to contrast your lack of backbone:

1) Get out of debt as soon as humanly possible, even if it means having to cut back on amenities and to get a second job to expedite the process

2) Save as portion of your income in tangible assets like gold, silver and ammunition, all of which are real money in an underground economy. Take physical possession of these assets - avoid them keeping in banks where they are subject to seizure

3) Purchase reliable firearms and learn how to shoot. Either you develop these skills or you will be at the mercy of those who do. Relying on the state for protection is lunacy and a recipe for certain slavery

4) Learn to fish and/or farm, at least in a limited garden or hydroponic scale. Depending on others to feed you can also become a recipe for certain slavery

5) Get off the grid. Set up renewable power sources like solar, wind or micro hydroelectric generators on your property if you own some. If not be knowledgeably prepared for a day when you do

6) Vote with your wallet. Do not patronize companies that espouse globalism or seek to subvert the fabric of your communities through predatory consumerism. Vote the globalists off the boards of directors in your 401K stock funds. Make sure your local editors understand that globalists are not welcome in your neighborhood

7/11/2006 01:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From Kaos 14,

"George Hiram Derby, proprietor of "Panpipes Magickal Marketplace", an occult trinkets store in Hollywood, encapsulates the manner in which the Simon Necronomicon was "channelled":

It was written in a New York apartment above a now defunct landmark occult shop known as the Magickal Childe. It was authored by Herman Slater (Simon) and Larry Barnes. The idea to write it came after a night of particularly heavy boozing (El Presidente brandy). Barnes was in possession of Lovecraft's manuscripts and the two would drunkenly research them on a near daily basis so the idea to write the book was inevitable. They research Sumerian/Babylonian religion and creation myths at the NY city library for less than a week. The story line and everything else in the book was written over peals of drunken laughter. The manuscript's final draft was presented less than two months after the idea drifted in through the drunken fog. This was one of Horrible Herman Slater's favorite stories right up to the day he died. I'm sure he wouldn't have minded me sharing it. [Comment dated 26/07/01 posted on alt.magick and alt.necronomicon]"

"Even William S. Burroughs caught wind of it and turned up to check out the manuscript, as recollected by the illustrator Khem Caigan: "After going throug the pages and a few lines of powder, he offered the comment that it was 'good shit'. He might have meant the manuscript, too - check out the 'Invocation' on page xvii of his Cities of the Red Night."

Now, why it appears to work should be viewed more as an interesting puzzle of neuroscience rather than one of cryptomythology.

7/11/2006 02:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Dr. Bombay said...

Jeff, Though you are certainly not above critical attacks by your readers, that "speech" by Devils
Advocate was a bit over the top.
As someone who has read over 5000
books on every topic you can imagine, I never fail to find something new and fascinating on your site. Keep up the good work.
And as far as Alex Jones "Lifting
your wallet" Prison Planet is free
of charge and always has been. Say
what you will about Mr. Jones but he has been way ahead of the curve
on many issues that impact all of us.

7/11/2006 02:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't know where else to mention this --

7/11 - rush hour -- multiple bomb blasts on commuter trains in Mumbai -- at least 130 (so probably many more) dead.

So were those who read the signs in dates worried about 7/11?

from India

7/11/2006 02:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to devil's advocate:

talk about *yawn* your little rant is boring me to pieces. If you want to really make the world a better place don't bother wasting your time or ours...go back to DU

7/11/2006 02:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

P.S.

Same day - 7/11 [or in India: 11/7] multiple (6-8) blasts in Mumbai and multiple blasts (at least 2) in the summer capitol of Kashmir, beautiful Srinigar, 8 killed.

7/11/2006 02:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about Jeff Wells, who’s so obsessed with death and sex?
Pederast occultists are stacked up upon his decks.
Darkness prowls his website like a thunderhead at dusk,
A Kansas cyclone spinning into nothingness, a husk.

...the satanic abuse network, the 9/11 byzantine (and totally improbable) plots... They are a soothing fantasy. A form of quasi-religion for the retarded masses. Something that allows them -- and you -- to wrap yourselves in self-righteousness and wring your chubby little hands...


lol! Wow, Jeff- still shaking the nipping poodles from your ankles, eh?
Well, as R.A.W. might say:
I imagine a big bubble of protective blue light around Jeff Wells, his family, and his work.

steady, as she goes

7/11/2006 02:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Albino black sheep said...

I approve of this movie. No death, no sex just delicious bass.

Now come on Tina Eat the FOOD!

Gosh!

http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/10/ap2868849.html

and for your listening pleasure:

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/ndsound.php

7/11/2006 02:41:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

"scapegoating every minority in sight and justifying your own prejudices and racism"

Seriously: huh?

7/11/2006 02:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So long, Devil's Advocate, and thanks for all the fish.
Without personally knowing anyone who posts here, it's quite interesting that Monsieur Advocate manages to "peg" what everyone on here does or does not do in hir free time to detriment of the world. Looks like someone believes in psychic phenomenon, afterall!
Incidentally, global statements like the ones you made (implied "all" statements as to the lack of character and or general degeneracy of those who frequent this site) fall under the category of a common, logical fallacy (see Goedel or any recent logic reference book). If you were able to blow off steam, good on ya--hope you feel better.

So long, D.A., and thanks for all the fish.
--Hebrides Totino

7/11/2006 03:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Well, Butter My Buns and Call Me Stupid, but I'm Confused!! Am I Alone?

Is this a byproduct of The Unlearning?

7/11/2006 03:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the feedback, Armando... I mean "The Devil's Advocate"

(Okay, it may not be Armando, but it's clear they are a charter member of the cult of Armando. They even have Armando's writing style down pat.

Must. Be. Mainstream.
Must. Deny. All. Conjecture.)

7/11/2006 03:04:00 PM  
Blogger Prof. Hex said...

Last comment on RI? Really DA? I doubt you have the strength of your own convictions.

7/11/2006 03:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I wanted to tell Jules I picked up the latter half of an intriguing movie last night on the Independent Film Channel.

It was called Rabbit Proof Fence. It was about an Australian Government Program administered through the Office of The Protectorate (namely, a Mr. Neville) that involved confiscating Aboriginal children form their birth parents, apparently for the select purpose of "civilizing" them. The Aboriginals today refer to this time (1930-1970) and predicament as The Lost Generations. Pretty heart-wrenching stuff, and a topic of which I'm certain Jules is highly knowledgeable.

7/11/2006 03:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Zero said...

Devil's Advocate is obviously just posting for his own unresolved sexual issues. Like a small child hitting a beehive with a stick in order to see what will happen, DA obviously takes pleasure in feeding on negative reactionary thought. This means he's probably a politician, soldier, or in law enforcement which have always been the havens of male insecurity seeking validation through domination / submission drama play via the power granted to these vocations.

His post also reeks of the Baby Boomer generation and their faltering attempt to hold on to an American Dream that never was through sheer denial of reality. The strong arrogance that is woven through the post is a sure sign of someone that doesn't want to believe in the dark powers and principalities documented in these articles. In order to gain some form of control over this fear, DA simply assumes a position of condescension and disbelief and then mocks the author and audience in order to further separate himself from that which he fears.

7/11/2006 03:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Avalon said...

Anonymous at 1:27PM linked a piece at The New Republic regarding an atrocity alleged to have happened in Iraq. I've done some debunking of it on the Rigorous Intuition board that I think you should read. With the information we have now, I think it is not likely to be true, and I've documented in detail why I think it is not to be trusted.
http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=5112.topic

Jeff felt the need to quote this, and I wonder if he finds it fishy:
"his own photocopies of the text 'degraded with time. In less than ten years the ink had disappeared from the pages and I was left with a mass of useless, curled and shiny paper.'"

For those of you younger readers who have always known photocopiers that use "plain" paper, I'd like to note that many things I photocopied in the
seventies and maybe into the eighties are now useless, curled, and shiny. The machines back then used a coated paper with little archival permanence.

Avalon

7/11/2006 04:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thus spake the Devil's Advocate:

"The interesting thing for me -- as a total skeptic, of course"

Yes, of course. And a critical thinker.

"Whether you are talking about H.P. Lovecraft entertaining visions of supernatural horrors, the satanic abuse network, the 9/11 byzantine (and totally improbable) plots, the politically-oriented Illuminati secret society or even the infiltration of the U.S. Governement by communist agents, all of these theories really have one thing in common..."

(don't forget Holocaust denial)

Wait for it . . .

"They are a soothing fantasy."

Calgon, take me away! A ninth grade plagarist couldn't have said it any better.

But seriously, I need my fix and reading Hofstadter just doesn't take away the pain.

"All in all, most of the posters here are pathetic little right-wingers. Or even worse, pathetic little left-wingers."

Pathetic centrists even. Just pathetic really. Some even repost messages to test others' patience.

"Deep down inside, you wish you could, just this once, be that powerful."

That's why everyone's bustin' out the Necronomicon, dude. Face it, you want me on this board, you need me on this board.

"I find it interesting that one of the very first thing that's on your site is an advertisement for your book..."

Yes, that's very interesting. I've made a note of it.

"Feel free to criticize me and call me a stooge for the dreaded Conspiracy, but if there is any hint of intelligence left in your brain, or just an ounce of decency, I think you should go out and do something about the real problems of this world: the racism, the poverty, the inequality, the corporate power, the pollution, the global warming, etc."

Death to the abstractions! No really, I've been trying to find someone wearing a top hat and an ascot to tell him to stop, but I'm not having much success.

"There are so many to choose from. Just pick one and try to make a difference. Then, feel free to come back and insult me all you want. Not that I care."

I've signed up MoveOn, does that count? What if I Drink Liberally while writing another email to DiFi? Oh, what do you care!

"PS: I am sure this rant will be deleted 5 minutes after it is posted. Byt don't worry, gentlemen, I'll repost it regularly just to test your patience..."

Well, not so much. What's that phrase again, "thanks for playing though"?

7/11/2006 04:12:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

hush, Zero and Anon4:12--you're probably right, but there is nothing more gratifying than a conversation proceeding right along after some lil' pecker just had to get a good cry out and NOBODY REALLY PAID MUCH ATTENTION TO HIS LITTLE RANT ANYHOW. let's keep it that way, shall we?

7/11/2006 04:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shrub --

Rabbit Proof Fence was a very good (and sad) movie. Excellent soundtrack by Peter Gabriel.

If you were tugged by that movie, also try The Magdalene Sisters. It broke my heart, but it was a safe way to examine man's inhumanity to man in a smaller setting.

7/11/2006 04:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just think it's a damn shame
Nobody's playing the rhyming game
(And who CARES what Devil's Advocate thinks
When his logic stinks?)

7/11/2006 04:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“I don’t know how you came by this record, but you are now embarked upon a journey that must certainly lead you to change your life forever.

If you were never a special person, you are a special person now.

Hello Seeker.

Now don’t feel alone here in the New Age, because there’s a seeker born every minute.

Yes, I’m Doctor Happy Harry Cox, and call me happy because I am. Because you’re listening to another in a series of my mind-breaking records, “Men Never Lived On Earth.” It started off with “I Came From Outer Space,” followed up by “Strangers At Our Door,” which includes the ultra high speed recording of real Danish music from Jupiter.

If you haven’t got ‘em, buy ‘em now. I was right about the comet. Get ‘em and see why.

Write me here in my award winning communications trailer, Space 9, Blue Mouse Mountain Trailer Resort, Hellmouth, California 90666.

Dogs Flew Spaceships.

The Aztecs Invented the Vacation.

Men and Women are the Same Sex.

Our Forefathers Took Drugs.

Your Brain is Not the Boss.

Yes, yes......That’s right! Everything you know is WRONG!!!

Hello seekers. Here we go again.......”

“Yes, faithful Rover’s...ancestors came from Sirius the dogstar millions of years ago to rule the earth...He’s been there and you probably don’t even know where you are......”

Copyright © 1974 Firesign Theatre

Three decades ago.

As the writer of the initial post/poem on this string, I dissociate myself almost entirely from everything “Devil’s Advocate” wrote, except for the part about “get off your asses and do something about it,” OR, if you are doing something about “it,” then BRAVO. Keep up the good work! He speaks from inside a barf bag.

For my own part, I did not deny the existence of conspiracies, far from it. I merely pointed out the subtle and not so subtle misleading being undertaken by those writer/researchers whom I criticized.

Last week Alex Jones denied the existence of Global Warming and said it was a U.N. plot to tax Americans. I mean, c’mon. How full of shit can he be? And do you REALLY think it’s a GERMANIC death cult that runs things. Where’s the Kabbalah, Ummim and Thummin fit in then? Check out the Yale shield/coat of arms and get your Babylonian magical dice ready for the final crap shoot. Go further back in history and do some real reading for a little more meaningful info.

And if you don’t think darkness inhabits this particular blog, then you must live underground with eyeshades on all the time. It’s an inky bog most of the time (multiple puns intended).

To the sarcastic bozo who thinks that what I wrote is leading him by the leash to his slaughter, you don’t know up from down, black from white, conversion from inversion from reversion. Don’t be passive. Act with the tao. Be a Kshatriya, if that’s what you are, just not a passive consumer of pabulum.

And yes, Virginia, it does scan. Buy a drum. Or a metronome. Not a metatron.

What’s so scary about peace, love, and understanding, boys and girls?

Being angry and afraid clouds your mind. You don’t need to be delirious to see the evil that rules the world, but it is certainly much better for the insanely hubristic would-be controllers of our destinies if we are. It’s like manna to them. Get clear (and not in a scientological way, puh-lease). Wake up. Smell the roses, smell the coffee, smell the caca coming out of your tv sets and, quite often, your computers.

Live it or live with it.

.

7/11/2006 04:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This post will address two things; Jeff's post, and the troll.

Regarding the Necronomicon, [always thought the name was cool] it has obviously captured the imaginations of a lot of brilliant people. Sam Raimi for instance, and all the wannabe B-movie horror film auteurs. And let's not forget all the fiction writers who creat homages to Lovecraft, such as Stephen King, Brian Lumley, et al.

I became interested in Lovecraft [and Dune, AND Harlan Ellison] as a teenager from playing video-games. It was the concepts that fascinated me. Books that could drive you insane. A giant computer that hates people, etc.

I digress. It matters little WHO writes these things and HOW. I'm barely a novice student of magick, but I'm intimate with the theory. Once you create something, it takes on a life of its own. And the more people who believe in it, and believe in its veracity, the more power it has. This gets into egregore group mind theory.

But consider the Bible or any religious text for instance. I always considered Dune a bible of sorts. But the Bible has a big advantage over other bibles; it was created in antiquity, it's creation is shrouded in mysticism and myths that involve a deity and holy men, and it has the world's oldest corporation, and some powerful newbies propagating it. If it ever was fiction, [and let's face it, look at Scientology] most if not all religions start out as a type of fiction, [some would argue a necessary fiction] and then gradually become real by hard to pin down processes loosely tied to psychology.

So, nobody here has addressed the salient issue: WHY did these guys, whoever they are, bother to write a Necronomicon? I always like that Lovecraft never quoted much from his books; because it made them even creepier. Generally, they were only referred to by title; their names themselves were supposed to frighten.

But these guys chose to develop their own creation myths around the Necronomicon; i.e. that Lovecraft was a channel and wrote about things that existed that he had no first-hand knowledge of; the monks stealing rare books; the transcription.

And here's my point. It doesn't matter if it's real or fake, all that matters is if people BELIEVE it's real or fake. For magickal purposes, PERCEPTION = REALITY. And magicians will tell you this.

Magick is a game you play with yourself, and possibly others, of creating fake constructs and making them real for specified purposes. Most of us use it to some extent or another, unconsciously. Some consciously.

But can we really say what is going on? Sure these guys might have thought it was a joke, but could they really know what was motivating them?

I could easily write a Necronomicon or two. As could some of you. And as others have pointed out, it made them some money. But they never would have gotten that money had people not already believed in the Necronomicon; the same way people wouldn't buy Christian accoutrements if they didn't believe in the religion.

As Jeff as said, all that matters is that THEY believe its real. If someone thinks they get power chopping off a goat's head, does it matter if someone who doesn't believe it fails to get the same effect? It only works for believers.

This is all stated rather clumsily.

As for the Devil's Advocate, obviously a troll, the purpose of a system is what it does, which is namely to cause people to comment on him.

Child-trafficking exists whether you like it or not. Cognitively, it's allowed to exist in India, Asia, Africa, and other "savage" parts of the world . . . but not America? What, did all the pederasts emigrate when the states raised the age of consent? At common law, you could marry a twelve-year old, just so you know. I was just reading the other day, via boingboing.net about a woman in India whose village tried to get her to be a Temple Whore when she was 8 years old. It was part of the local or regional culture.

You're mad to think it doesn't happen here. I mean, this is a "free" country after all, and as Jack Parsons wrote, "freedom is a double-edge sword."

God forbid anyone gets concerned about it or talks about it. That must mean THEY are ALL secret molesters!

As for "doing things" and taking "direct action," I, and I suspect others, have attended those things. They're circle-jerks, but in person. People have forgotten the meaning of the ritual of public demonstration; it's really about the veiled, and sometimes manifest threat of violence. At D.C., ALL of the politicians left during the antiwar demonstrations; the so-called libs left some minions behind to listen to the grievances of the demonstrators, but that was it. Bush flew to Colorado for a COG exercise. And Arkin of the WaPo broadcast the govt.-created a mini-scare / detterrence psy-op with tularemia.

Anyway, nothing much happenened; as with NYC2004, hundreds of thousands marched, and then went back to their jobs. What would have happened if they stayed for months?

Why, they didn't know they could do that! They might lose their jobs! What about their personal lives! And let's not forget all the divisions; the suburuban soccer mom: "I think more people would be here if the movement wasn't led and attended by freaks." Someone watched too much TV.

Anyway, I'm giving your weak attack more than it deserves; anything rife with personal insults is worthless on its face.

7/11/2006 04:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Devil's Advocate said...

TAKE ME SERIOUSLY AND DELETE MY POST, GODDAMMIT!!!

7/11/2006 04:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The last poster wrote:

"PERCEPTION = REALITY. And magicians will tell you this.

Magick is a game you play with yourself..."

Your Honor, I REST my case.

Jerk on.

Or is that off?

7/11/2006 04:32:00 PM  
Anonymous A. Magnus said...

Devil's Advocate, do you want to be taken seriously? Then start thinking for yourself instead of parroting the big government's talking points.

7/11/2006 05:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure by now that you've heard of a Farewell Cruel World (FCW) post.

Well, DA has given us a slight variation on that, which is called the Fuck All of You (FAY) post. And now he seriously wants us to all fuck off and then delete his post.

7/11/2006 06:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let us honor the DA. He brings balance to the farce.

7/11/2006 06:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is great:

"People have forgotten the meaning of the ritual of public demonstration; it's really about the veiled, and sometimes manifest threat of violence."

Yep.

The fact that the scumbag politicians all fled for the DC demonstration only proves that the Powers That Be are increasingly fearful that the dim-witted protesters will soon remember the whole point of protesting.

(And then it will probably go down just about as usual. See the 1968 riots in dozens of U.S. cities. That "helped" so much that Nixon easily seized the presidency ... once RFK was out of the way.)

7/11/2006 06:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To DA, whoever the hell you are:

What makes you think that posting on a board and taking action in RL are mutually exclusive? Reading/posting at RI takes five minutes here or there - it's not exactly taking over our lives.

And if you knew anything about the people that post here - what some of us have done and are doing - you'd keep your sniggering litte trap shut. Your argument is pathetic - "anybody who confronts an atrocity wants to commit one" - you endorse the same apathy you claim to challenge.

Sod. Off.

B

7/11/2006 08:08:00 PM  
Blogger foist lastus said...

Dr. Cox - your literary prowess is an inspiration! Its been awhile since Ive written snail mail, but Im tempted

"I imagine a big bubble of protective blue light around Jeff Wells, his family, and his work." I got a sense of that! so its werking.

The trolls posts are not talking for the post, so easy to skip. MustBeMainstream=MBM ...

7/11/2006 08:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Anonymous said...
Shrub --

Rabbit Proof Fence was a very good (and sad) movie. Excellent soundtrack by Peter Gabriel.

If you were tugged by that movie, also try The Magdalene Sisters. It broke my heart, but it was a safe way to examine man's inhumanity to man in a smaller setting.

4:19 PM


Thanks for the suggestion. I'll make sure to put it in my queue.

Spielberg could redeem himself by producing/directing a Blockbuster called the Nakba in the same vain as Schindler's List, or The Pianist (I know it was Roman Polanski, but both were about German Atrocities during WW2, and both left my heart in tatters). I won't hold my breath, though. I think such a movie might possibly go a long way in alleviating the Apartheid in Palestine.

7/11/2006 08:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Anonymous said...
Let us honor the DA. He brings balance to the farce.

6:28 PM


I'm not going to hold a grudge. As Sunny said, people are here for different reasons, and that includes Devil's Advocate.

He presented a shoe. It doesn't fit me, but if it did, it would come with a mirror, wherein resides a reflection of one's own choosing.

7/11/2006 08:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Got Dice?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urim_and_Thummim

7/11/2006 08:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe that's what Albert Einstein was referring to when he stated that "God does not play dice with the universe."

7/11/2006 08:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

From your Woki Link:

The Biblical Hebrew "Urim and Thummim" (אורים ותמים) is emblazoned across the open book pictured on the Yale University shield, a legacy of Yale College president Ezra Stiles.


Hmmmmm......it all comes full circle.

Whose Progeny are we really?

7/11/2006 08:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come you masters of war,
You that build all the guns,
You that build the death planes,
You that build the big bombs,
You that hide behind walls,
You that hide behind desks,
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks.

Let me ask you one question:
Is your money that good?
Will it buy you forgiveness?
Do you think that it could?
I think you will find,
When your death takes its toll,
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul.

-Bob Dylan "Masters of War"

7/11/2006 09:03:00 PM  
Anonymous jules said...

Shrub are you thinking we are all Uma Thurmans proogeny... ooueerr..

Shrub that sort of bullshit went on all over Auustralia, it was known as the "Stolen Generation" but refers to generations of removal of children from indegenous families in Australia. Usually it was in the context of "civilising" but the reality is that it served the purpose of opening up the land and destroying the culture and legal tenure systems. Something that contemporary Australian culture still has trouble reconciling.

I used to be involved in Indigenous legal and political issues Native Title, Deaths In Custody, a wealth of health and legal issues. Its a very depressing and sad story.

Anyone thinking the recent fuss that has degenerated into another excuse to bash the blackfellas (I really don't want to dignify this with alink), is something new unusual or hidden is just deluded.

The same issues that the federal government is spinning so much arrogant shit about right now is the same stuff women in indigenous communities have been dealing with and trying to raise help over for as long as I can remember. And a great deal of it can be traced back to the Stolen generations and the consequences that period of policy had.

I haven't seen Rabbit Proof fence. i don't watch many movies... But if you want to get some idea of the pain listen to some of Archie Roaches songs. Then listen to the others, the help alleviate it.


This story's right, this story's true
I would not tell lies to you
Like the promises they did not keep
And how they fenced us in like sheep
Said to us come take our hand
Set us up on mission land
They taught us to read, to write and pray
Then they took the children away
Took the children away
The children away
Snatched from their mother's breast
Said this is for the best
Took them away

The welfare man, the policeman
Said you've got to understand
Cos' we'll give to them what you can't give
And teach them how to really live
Teach them how to live they said
Humiliated them instead
And they taught them that and taught them this
And others taught them prejudice
Oh took the children away
Oh the children away
Breaking their mothers heart
Tearing us all apart
Took them away

One dark day on Framlingham
Came and did not give a damn
My mother cried go get their dad
He came running, fighting mad
Mother's tears were falling down
And my Dad shaped up and stood his ground.
He said you touch my kids and you gotta fight me boys
Then they took us from our family.
Took us away
Yeah took us away
Grabbed from our mother's breast
Said this is for the best
Took us away.

Told us what to do and say
Taught us all these are white man's ways
But then they split us up again
Gave us gifts to ease the pain
Sent us off to foster homes
And as we grew up oh we felt alone
Cause we were acting white
And feeling black
One sweet day all the children came back

Yeah the children came back
Yeah the children came back
Back where their hearts grow strong
Back where they all belong
The children came back
Said the children came back
Oh the children came back
Back where they understand
Back to their mother's land
The children came back

7/11/2006 10:21:00 PM  
Anonymous jules said...

Da

"but if there is any hint of intelligence left in your brain, or just an ounce of decency, I think you should go out and do something about the real problems of this world: the racism, the poverty, the inequality, the corporate power, the pollution, the global warming, etc."

Go here

http://www.unahi.org/index.htm

and donate some cash or spend some money on their CD if you want to winge about jeff marketing his stuff on the blog he provides for us to comment about our child rape fantasies on. That is one way I actually know to directly contribute to dealing with everything you mentioned directly. Then you can go back to activly doing that in the rest of your life.

BTW Why the hell shouldn't he advertise a book. if he went through all the hard work and effort to write it, get into some readable novel form and get it published good on him. Its more than I have done. I know its bit stupid feeding your egragore but I have energy to burn today.

I am actually wondering why this bothers you so much.

Well not any more.

I brought that necronemicon years ago, to be honest it doesn't have that much power. Only what you give it.

Its been sitting by the modem for the last week tho, and suddenly Jeff does this post... must be a powerful book ;)>

From what i can see of it it is crap:

"There are no effective banishings for the forces invoked in the NECRONOMICON itself." OOOhhhh scarey.

(Although on a slightly meta level, and this may be what jeff and Arcadia are getting at.)

That is a very effective piece of subtle mind control if you are attempting to ensnare people with no clue about anything...

The book is full of complex little symbols all of which can be used to attatch thought forms and the like, if you are into that stuff, and then to be told there are no banishings.

Well that made me laugh, and immediately proved its falsehood.

It is interesting that it refers to Summerian stuff without all that Sitchin baggage tho. Again if you wanted to preseed the meme pool with stuff to serve an agenda then it could be useful.

(For some reason that thought made me wonder if there is any connection between the Miami 7 and Ong's Hat, but that was another thread...)

In my time I have had some experience with invocations and stuff that were often tinged with lovecraftian th/memes. But never in the context of anything to do with the necronomicon.

P J Carrol, in Liber Kaos, identified azathoth as an egragore associated with the emergence of sentience from the primordial slime and its desire to reach to the stars. And presented a series of invocations that seemed rather removed from any baggage that Simons Necronomicon may have brought to the table, but to me that entity feels seperate...

In all seriousness that thing about the skulls on the rings on Azathoths finger makes more sense than anything else.

And the process described in Through the gates of the silver Key is a much better place to start trying to understand these processes than the drivel that often gets peddled as occult knowledge.

On that spermognosis link from a week or 2 ago there was a ref to Gotos and the creation of an egragore - the maintainance of the egragore being the only purpose for the continuation of the order associated with it.

Egragores and thought forms are not a science, there are no set rules for what goes on, so there is nothing to prevent an egragorical form being used as a simple conduit for psychic vampirism, to my knowledge.

Knowledge, ha thats a funny word for it.

7/11/2006 11:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You people really are totally mind-fucked with complete and utter bullshit, aren't you?

Nod your heads.

7/11/2006 11:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zipheads of the world unite.

Here is your home.

7/11/2006 11:40:00 PM  
Anonymous jules said...

I am happy for you to think whatever you like about the occult and the connection between power and magic.

But saying this:

"You people really are totally mind-fucked with complete and utter bullshit, aren't you?"

about this:

"And a great deal of it can be traced back to the Stolen generations and the consequences that period of policy had."

Is the only COMPLETE and UTTER bullshit on this thread.

Do us all a favour go piss on a power line.

7/12/2006 12:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmm . . . . It seems that RI v. 2.0 has been infested by trolls. More likely just one troll sock-puppeting a few more one-liner trolls.

I'm the one who bloviated on magick at length. I should probably clarify a few things.

The person who made light of magick, in a sense proves my point. Magick fails unless you believe in it. Hence, a perpetuation of a disbelief in magick is a spell to prevent others from practicing it. Thus, you cast a spell on yourself when you say magick is bullshit; as long as you do, you can't do it. Better to remain agnostic. After all, if "any sufficiently advanced technology resembles magic," perhaps all magicians do is play with a technology they only have a dim understanding of. It would be like primitives find a car; some could get the lights to flash, some might turn the engine on; none would be able to parse the secret of the engine. Eventually, it would just become a temple.

In any case, what do you religion is? Christianity may be a complete fantasy, but hundreds of millions believe in it and go to Church each Sunday. Even so-called non-believers get ensared by concepts such as Heaven and Hell. It's all a game people play with themselves, and on other people. First you delude yourself, then you delude others. The delusions need not always align. The point is that you engage in them.

Regarding public demonstrations; I find it telling that you think I was referring to some paltry riots that took place during the 1960's. We know those things were a waste, not only because Nixon was elected, but because Vietnam dragged on like it did. I understand that the Vietnam ended when the Establishment faced an antiwar revolt FROM WITHIN THE MILITARY itself; i.e. fraggin, throwing stuff off of aircraft carriers, etc. And let's not forget the unrest in the 1920's during the Depression. And what about the unrest preceding various Revolutions?

That is what I meant by the ritual of public demonstration. It's a reminder to bureaucrats of where tremendous power lays, if sufficiently stirred. Of course, the bureaucrats have become expert in managing it. However, if the population were sufficiently well-organized and politically determined, it could easily oust the trouble-makers.

But, in my opinion, this only happens when people are so desperate that they have nothing to lose. Our masters won't allow that. They buy us off; the smarter you are, the more dangerous you are, the higher the ransom. Thus, you become part of the Establishment. Those who don't go along, are marginalized with the poor and underprivileged.

Greed's a powerful thing.

BTW - I think we should all agree to starve the trolls from here on out.

G'night.

7/12/2006 04:01:00 AM  
Anonymous jon said...

whaddaya think anonymous posting is, except another form of trolling?

7/12/2006 04:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Alice said...

Re: the first comment, I usually can't stand poems, my eyes just skate right over them, but this one grabbed and held my total attention.

I read it not once, but several times. I love it, especially this part:

"Never render
Ahriman, the shayatin, the whisperer, the beast,
Dajjal, nor his partners any sustenance, the least.

Starve them of their stock in trade, that’s anger, lust, and greed,
Envy, gluttony, old sloth, and pride, on which they feed.
Just deny them all of it, the air they breathe is sin."

And this:

"Lesson one, from way back: No two wrongs will make a right.
Lesson two: The ends can never justify the means.
These are the beginnings of becoming Human beings.
To become a fully human being is a goal
Worthy of each one of us, our true appointed role.
Should enough of us embark upon this mighty task,
No tyrant could ever rule us, no one in a mask
Ever could deceive us long enough to stomp us down."

SO TRUE! SO TRUE! Bravo for saying the simple truth buried underneath all the garbage, and for saying it so cleverly.

I just wish you had a "handle" instead of just "anonymous" -- make something up, anything.

As for D.A., you one sick puppy. I think you've been looking in the mirror and doing a bit of projecting, there, buddy. God bless, and get better soon...

7/12/2006 05:56:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

7/11? In India? Oh, these tricksters have a devious sense of humor don't they.

7/12/2006 07:40:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

http://www.usatoday.com/life/gallery/simpsons/apu.jpg

7/12/2006 07:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Subliminal Minister said...

I'm copying them to print and put next to my computer, so when the darkness of it all threatens to swallow me in it, I can remember to "take the leash that's leading me."

Anonymous Poem-Writer;

I meant this in all seriousness. I wonder why you took it as sarcasm. "The leash that's leading me" was an apparently-poor reference to your words about removing the devil's stock in trade (also a Metallica lyric). Sorry you didn't catch it. Anyway, thanks for calling me a bozo. Allow me not to respond in kind (grabbing the leash, see?). I still agree with much of what you said.

...[W]ords, which are given us for the expression of thought, have a habit of going beyond their proper bounds and determining the content of thought." -- A. W. Tozer

7/12/2006 08:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Subliminal Minister said...

On second thought, do allow me to respond in kind:

your tongue of fire licked some I've come to trust
Agreed I not with hasty judgments drawn.
Perceive truth in the words you spoke I must,
for truth shines out like sunlight of the dawn.

Be careful that you discern friend from foe,
for allies can be found both near and far.
Project not what you feel upon my brow
A cigar is sometimes just a cigar.

And you can take that to the bank... lol

7/12/2006 08:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Working in Corporate America is literally killing me.

It's living a deceitful lie, everyday.

7/12/2006 09:34:00 AM  
Anonymous little man said...

Did anyone on the west coast see a RED MOON last night?

7/12/2006 09:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, little man, we did. And we're sure it means the same thing as the last red moon, and the one before it, and before it, too.

Nothing.

"Fools look for signs in the skies
Open your heart, and close your eyes."

7/12/2006 10:11:00 AM  
Anonymous dude h said...

Hence, a perpetuation of a disbelief in magick is a spell to prevent others from practicing it."

truer words seldom spoken.

7/12/2006 10:23:00 AM  
Anonymous silverfox said...

Whatever people believe to be true will essentially become true for them.

Their reality will appear to reflect it to them because they have adapted their perspective to achieve the "effect". By acting in accordance with their beliefs or refraining from taking certain actions because of them, they make the only kinds of choices that support those particular beliefs and avoid any that don't.

So they will both see and interpret events as supporting their beliefs and completely filter out or discount anything that seems even remotely contradictory, in some cases even and most especially their own intuition.

Now facing up to that particular reality and how it works or becoming genuinely "free" to exercise our own powers and creative abilities to affect positive changes within it, means challenging and coming to grips with our own beliefs... not someone else's.

No one is ever free whose own mind imposes self-defeating limits, or labours under the illusion that their actions can make no difference at all to how the events unfold.

That is precisely how the present circumstances have both been promoted as well as "permitted" to happen.

Specific events have been quite deliberately staged, rigged if you will, to brutally reinforce a sense of general helplessness and use all the attendant fear and paranoia that accompany it to accomplish very specific tasks that are to no one's benefit but those who have engineered those events.

Now the only way to combat that is by calm, rational assessments of all the available options and reasonable or logical actions directed towards negating that belief in powerlessness and defusing any of the associated fears wherever and whenever they are encountered.

No one can accomplish that for anyone but themselves but the ones that do will encourage others to do likewise or at least reconsider their position untill such time as they can.

It is done by being aware that every choice does matter and has a very direct bearing on each and every event that is experienced, both individually and collectively.

As for A. Magus suggestions for stckpiling weapons and ammunition, if you believe that chaos and violence are inevitable those particular steps will certainly help to ensure that it is...hmmm?

If you fear your neighbours and expect the worst from them then that is exactly what you'll communicate; making them equally suspicious and fearfull of you. In the end you are simply setting the stage for that which you fear the most to pay you a house-call.

Positive outcomes can only come through postive actions. One acts in accordance with the results desired as if they already existed.

Like anything deliberately created the image must remain firmly in the mind and whatever steps you make must be taken with confidence and an attitude that befits the benefits you know they will bring.

You cannot have a better world if you do not first believe in one or cannot see yourself directly contributing to it, not in some distant future after it has magically arrived all by itself, but right NOW. It is not going to come about any other way.

7/12/2006 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous daveinnorcal said...

off topic...and yet...

I'll also drop this off at the end of the "Justice can Wait"/ Ken Lay post where the possible connection seems a bit more obvious;


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/5173228.stm


follow the money indeed... could be a lethal pastime!!

7/12/2006 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Silverfox,

Apply your concept to my thoughts and feelings about working in Corporate America.

Sometimes the victim, is the victim, and it is rather callous to suggest that they repress their feelings of hopelessness and despair, and instead offer them some Raspberry Kool-Aid.

Also, who's "better" world prevails? There are many different constituencies and factions with very different notions of "better." Many of these notions are in direct conflict with one another.

I guess my point is, if only it were that simple.

7/12/2006 11:25:00 AM  
Anonymous A. Magnus said...

Silverfox, I meant it's better to have something and never need to use it than need to use it and never have it. My guns are double locked in times of peace. Period. I believe in the non-initiation of violence. That being said, I do believe in the right of self defense in response to unwarranted aggression.

If you can explain to me how my locked guns make violence and chaos inevitable please let me know. I'm sure there are some cold Fusion and Dark Energy theorists who would like to hear about how you derived your conclusions.

7/12/2006 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I think we need to get back to basics. For example, Sea Sponges and Honoring The Flow. The following linki elaborates:

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/07/342406.shtml

From the article:

If you are still using mainstream disposable menstrual pads or tampons, you might as well be drinking out of non-biodegradable styrofoam cups! Tampons and disposable menstrual products are unnecessary *trash* and if you are eco-conscious, you should quit using them today! There are many reasons to stop using disposable menstrual products. There are reasons borne of environmental health, anti-consumerism, anti-corporate control of our body, health, feminism, women's body esteem, and more.

Health is a reason to give up commercially made menstrual products. Disposable tampons and pads very often are full of weird chemicals, bleach, and synthetic fibers that can actually cut up your vagina and vulva like little sharp strands of glass. Some argue menstrual fluids are supposed to flow out of us, not be blocked up inside with a tampon...thus many prefer pads. I am of this school, that feels "corking" your menstrual flow is not optimum. I feel it best to just bond with women everywhere all over the planet forever, and to honor my flow.

I used sea sponges for a couple years, too, until I realized a couple things -- they're animals (not plants or rocks or anything else, but tiny animals) and they're *not* a sustainable, renewable resource. Sea sponges are not from my bioregion, and they're overharvested.

And besides all that, every time I sneezed, I needed to change my underwear.

Cloth pads (or, hey, some clean socks from your drawer) are a much preferable material with which to catch blood. And there's also diaphragms and keepers, both of which are reusable.


See, Silverfox, this is an exmaple of the conundrum we face. Many of these women consider Tampons to be Trash, and as such their vision of a "better" world is one without Tampons, however, as you can agree, many people do not adhere to the view of a "better" world as one without Tampons.

My idea of a "better" world is one where there are no bodily fluids except for ambrosia-like love juices.

7/12/2006 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From Jeff's "Weird Tales" link:

Levenda added more detail in this interview a few years ago with the editor of Dagobert’s Revenge:

My involvement was on the translation side. I've been around occult groups in New York since the late Sixties. I was a friend of Herman Slater of the old Warlock Shop in Brooklyn Heights before it moved to Manhattan and became Magickal Childe.

I was around during the famous Witch Wars of the Seventies, when it seemed that everyone was casting spells on everyone else. I was there when Gardnerians and Welsh Trads and Alexandrians and Sicilian Trads sat down around a table in the back of Herman's shop to settle the War and make peace once and for all. Herman had once interviewed neo-Nazis in New York in the 1960s and we had a lot of interests in common. I never joined any of the groups, that wasn't my intention or inclination, but I was a familiar face around the campfire, so to speak.

My fascination has always been on the degree to which religion and occultism influence mainstream politics; Unholy Alliance began as an academic study of this before it turned into a Nazi history.

As for the Necronomicon, it was part of a stash of stolen books. The story is told, I think, in other places and I have been asked this before -- also on the Internet -- so to summarize: in the 1970s a couple of Eastern Orthodox monks pulled off the biggest rare book heist in the history of the United States. It was a continuing crime, the books being taken from libraries and private collections all over the country (and, it was said, Canada and Mexico). They were finally busted, and did federal time, but most of the books were never recovered. The Necronomicon was part of this swag as were a lot of occult books. It was in Greek, handwritten, but the problem was that much of the Greek was unintelligible.

My modest contribution to this was recognizing that some of the Greek was an attempt to phoneticize Babylonian and Sumerian words. I am not one of the people arguing that this Necronomicon is THE Necronomicon, or that Lovecraft was even aware that it existed. I think Lovecraft heard the name through one of his friends in the Golden Dawn, and used it creatively.

If the Simon Necronomicon is a hoax, I think it would have been better done and more closely followed the Cthulhu Mythos. I kind of like the fact that William Burroughs was into it, and wrote Simon and L. K. Barnes a letter praising it as an important spiritual breakthrough.

7/12/2006 01:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This subject reminded me of Crowley's former house on the shores of Loch Ness-

Boleskine was originally purchased in 1900, by Crowley, for almost twice its value, because it met certain requirements of the Books of Sacred Magic of Abra-Melin the Mage. These requirements included windows and a door that opened to the north toward a secluded structure that was to serve as an oratory. It's commonly assumed that a small outbuilding to the far right was the oratory.

Crowley stated in his diary that "shadowy shapes" used to escape the oratory and enter the house. It's been reported that during subsequent rituals these "shadowy shapes" were unleashed with dire effects on visitors, staff, and a few hapless visitors from nearby Foyers.


http://reversespeech.com/framestairway.htm


Abramelin the Mage (1362-1460) composed a body of magical works which left their mark on Alexander Sanders and Aleister Crowley. Abra-Melin was an expert of the Kabbalah and proclaimed that he was taught magical knowledge by angels. They told him how to conjure and tame demons to become his personal servants and workers. He also was taught how to raise storms. His magic is frequently referred to as Abra-Melin magic.

He proclaimed that demons who created everything in the world worked under the direction of angels, and that each individual had a demon and angel as familiars. He stated the basis for his magic could be found in the Kabbalah.

Abra-Melin generated much lore which surrounded him. It credits him as creating 2,000 spirit cavalrymen to help Frederick, the elector of Saxony. Supposedly he helped the earl of Warwick in his escape from jail. Also he helped save the antipope John XXIII (1410-1415) from the Council of Constance.

The magic of Abra-Melin was supposedly contained in The Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage, which was actually a collection of three books. The French manuscript supposedly written in the 18th century is supposed to be a translation of Abra-Melin’s original Hebrew work, dated 1478. This manuscript, at the Biblotheque de I’ Arsenal, Paris, was again translated by S. L. MacGregor Mathers, an influential member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. Aleister Crowley is said to have copied from the book to compose his rituals for mastering demons.

Abra-Melin magic resembles that found in The Key of Solomon grimoire. The basis of the magic lies in the power of numbers and sacred names and the construction of numerous magical squares for the purposes of invisibility, flying, commanding spirits, necromancy, metamorphosis, and other magical feats. All rituals for the magical practices must be adhered to exactly and in strict accordance to astrological observances.


http://www.themystica.org/mystica/articles/a/abra-melin.html

7/12/2006 01:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dear Subliminal Minister,

I am wearing my own bozo suit and smoking your fine cigar. Thanks for the deserved upbraid. My apologies for falling into the very trap of which I warned. We're all human, aren't we? On a good day, that is. Please accept my sincere apologies for misreading your remarks. I do not think it was projection on my part, but rather dejection, all in all. But a hearty thanks, just the same. Always good to get a rudder check.

To Alice, thanks also for the kind words. I used the Anonymous handle because I felt perhaps the words would be received with less prejudice than if not. I have posted here before under the Anonymous blanket as Mojo Filter.

Peace and love and thanks for adjusting my compass.

To the anonymous dude that thinks I'm some kind of anti-magic "troll", I would simply note that trolls are things from that nether region / underworld realm which he espouses.

The greatest insult Pharoah made to Moses when his staff became a snake was to accuse him of being a magician rather than a prophet. Time will tell what those who now claim to walk in Moses' name are really about, though it doesn't look good at the moment.

Sorry for getting the "Urim and Thummim" reference mis-spelled. I am glad someone found it and corrected it. It is pretty heavy stuff. I do wonder about that Einstein quote. Fascinating.

Peace, love, understanding and a mea culpa redux.

~Mojo Filter

7/12/2006 02:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the necronomicon was written by barnes & herman slater, obviously. peter levanda is just riding their coattails to sell his books.

7/12/2006 03:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Wasn't Fred Rogers a big Occultist and Necronomicon subscriber, or was it Captain Kangaroo?

7/12/2006 04:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, a lot of arrogance this time.

Kind of shocking.

Gotta say, being a total skeptic doesnt mean picking what you believe and what you dont. It means not believing anything, until, at least, the scientific method proves the accepted argument incorrect.

Funny how mental deficients like Devils Advocate never seem to make that connection...

7/12/2006 07:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Subliminal Minister said...

Mojo Filter;

Your post indicated to me that we are fellow travellers, on the same road to the same place, I think. I appreciate your humility, and say "No worries!" to any real or perceived slight.

You were strumming my pain with your fingers, so to speak. Looking into this deep hole for so long leaves my eyes capable of seeing little else. It's a shame, since the universe complies with my expectations and gives me more darkness to look at. I often need to be reminded to look away, and see what else is there.

So thanks for hooking that up for me. ;)

7/13/2006 08:46:00 AM  
Anonymous silverfox said...

Really Shrubster...

Let's at least try to avoid the "poor me" syndrome if we can...hmmm? LOL

Events follow our beliefs and expectations, not the other way around. Those events all come about as the very direct result of the choices we make about how we live and conduct our lives. We live our lives in accordance with what we happen believe about ourselves and by extension about others. Is that straightforward enough? Simple even?

Now I don't in any way condone the actions of others that deliberately cause harm or wind up creating "victims" if you will, but by the same token there is always a far more complicated dynamic at work in which the victim always plays their part.

The same is also true of bystanders, particularly whenever violent acts occur.

These "roles" if you will, repeat themselves quite systematically, time and again just as if they were scripted.

What I am suggesting to you is that there is a prevailing "belief system" that underwrites and actively contributes to situations and events like that happening.

Victimization is never simply a "random" event. It always takes place within some context of relationships and within a certain environment or culture in which it is more likely expected than not.

The participants in the victims-victimizers-bystanders dynamic for instance assume, mainly unconscious, mutually dependant and quite complementary roles in spite of the fact that a change could be initiated, at any time, by any one of them, that would have altered the course of the event and changed its outcome. Instead they follow a pattern that is by no means "genetically" induced.

Now a culture either promotes a program of victim-victimizer, violent or blame type system, or it can promote healthy, respectful relationships among its members who, in turn, will make a sound commitment to resolve their conflicts in a non-aggressive and non-violent manner. That isn't rocket science nor do it's benfits to all concerned need any real explaination.

Now I do not need to not to tell you which of those two is actually prevalent in your own culture.

You need only to remember that 88% of all murder victims in the U.S. had an ongoing and active relationship with their murderers; or of the 1.5 million children abducted every year, fully 90% are taken by a distraught parent in a custody dispute. Similar percentages are revealed in almost every crime.

So the very idea of strangers randomly lurking in concealment waiting to do others harm is a gross exaggeration.

Nevertheless you have a culture that not only perpetuates this sentiment of victimhood it has made an extremely lucrative industry out of it. Like most of the problems these days if you find where the economic benefits fall you'll also find those who actively promote it.

We all need to learn to differentiate between normal, hurtful life events and genuine trauma; between individuals who need our support and those who resiliently overcome their difficulties without needing or even wanting it.

Finally, we must differentiate between the differing types of victims and, where appropriate, help the victims themselves to understand their responsibility for their role in it, otherwise they are are simply going to repeat it.

7/13/2006 09:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Subliminal Minister said...

My idea of a "better" world is one where there are no bodily fluids except for ambrosia-like love juices.

Certainly by this point, I have broken something internally from laughing.

7/13/2006 09:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You who would harm, You who would maim,
If you proceed, You'll face the same.
With cloth and cord, Of darkest night,
I've bound your deed, With shining light.
You cannot harm, So stay away,
We are protected, Both night and day.

7/13/2006 01:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Bob said...

Hmmmmm.... sad. Two times I read HERE of terrorist bombings in India and it turned out to be true.(7-11) My morning paper had a small article covering same series of bombings... yet, the silent reaction is deafening. Now thats what I call euro-centric.

7/13/2006 02:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What we found to be unforgivable about the Simon ripoff is that there is no attempt whatsoever to actually do a Necronomicon, which is still a worthy project yet to be done. It's just typical artistically-challenged adolescant misremembering of Mesopotamian trivia.
(k&y)

7/15/2006 01:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Eye of Horus said...

Anton Levay - who listens to Anton Levay? He says he's a witch, but no one burns them today!
The Old Ones or the Prime Movers are lost to the passage of time for the young mortals to have any inkling of their true nature... Unlike the Gods of Antiquity or their Ancestors the Nephilimic Titans, no man has ever set eyes on them or heard a truthful account of their existence from anyone that has actually witnessed their crossing Earth's path!
Truly, the nature of Secrets is based more on mystery than on prudent silence methinks! Much as people would suspect or moreso expect a conspiracy to hide truths long unknown or out of their reach, the Real Truth may in fact be hidden from them by the mere circumstance that no one who is terrestrial or mortal actually knows the Whole Story!
Like the seers that gaze into unlit pools and dark mirrors for glimpses of the future, these people may merely see their own fears reflected back into their eyes which clouds any future and delays or prevents any serious action on their part...
Is there a Necronomicon? Necronomicon would translate as the Names of the Dead or the Names for the Dead and as the Holy Bible has written in it that there is a Book of Names of Those that shall Live and receive Life Everlasting - there has always been great metaphysical speculation as to the Nature of Death and the Afterlife. That a book dealing with Death or the Nature of Death was written is not difficult to believe!
However, if such a book does exist, then it is not a certainty that it would be understood - as was the case with Egyptian Hieroglyphs before the discovery of the Rosetta Stone!
Certainly, after the Fall of Great Civilizations like Ancient Greece, the Roman Empire, Babylonia, Atlantis, etc. - many books are lost or destroyed and even if found may be written in languages that no one can now read or translate!
Many collections both Private and in the hands of Religious Authorities like the Catholic Church have books that have never been released to the Public for one reason or another... In many cases, these books are written using codes or cyphers or dialects that make understanding difficult or even impossible!
If any of you have read the quatrains of Nostradamus, then it should seem obvious why people are reluctant to distribute these books! On the one hand, many believe that Nostradamus has written the whole history of Mankind in his quatrains and thus if used correctly would mean knowing the future before anyone else - a huge advantage! However, the language is hardly clear or beyond dispute and therefore open for many different interpretations - some which could potentially cause panic or paranoia in not just individuals but entire nations! Prophecies of Doom are the easiest to bring about through self-fulfilling defeatism after all!
However, the Necronomicon is described as a book that causes madness and brings doom to those that read it - so any book with that reputation is probably not one that the Public Library is going to want on it's shelf!
Does such a book exist? Probably. Somewhere in the universe, but if you're lucky you will never come across it or have the ability to understand what it says!
It is doubtful a book like the Necronomicon or Unspeakable Kultes would actually be useful for wiccans or magick practicers - any more than a medical textbook would be useful to a witch doctor or a faith healer...
But, then you must realize that the reason it's not useful is because it is not understood - and lack of understanding is probably the reason it brings disaster to those that MISUSE it!

The Eye of Horus sees All.

1/22/2008 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

www.warlockasylum.wordpress.com

I think you will find some interesting resources concerning the Simon Necronomicon in the above link.

W.A.

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