Friday, August 11, 2006

Time Bomb



I want everyone to remember why they need us - V for Vendetta

Some brief thoughts on the latest mass-induced near-death experience.

The crawl on MSNBC Thursday night read Terror in the Sky: Mass Murder on an Unimaginable Scale! Well, no; and I mean no to everything.

There is no terror in the sky, unless you're Iraqi or Lebanese, or reside in northern Israel or any of the world's other free-fire zones and might expect to see death fall from it. Or unless we can include the sky itself, churning with strange weather and unwholesome artifacts, and a sun that now seems to burn an alien white. Because if we look up, we may just catch our breath.

The mass murder never was, and the unimaginable scale! was imagined more than ten years ago, and given the name Project Bojinka. Substitute the Pacific for the Atlantic, and toss in the assassination of the Pope and the crashing of a plane into CIA headquarters for good measure, and you have a thwarted operation that's earned its exclamation point. But 2006 isn't 1995, and today citizens of the great crusader nations must be reminded, repeatedly and at the pleasure of their minders, just how vulnerable they are, and therefore dependent upon the dark mills of empire that intentionally exacerbate those same vulnerabilities.

"Weeks before September 11th, this is going to play big," boasts a naturally unnamed White House official in the AFP story "Bush Seeks Political Gains from Foiled Plot." Bush and Blair conferred last weekend on the "imminent attack" (though neither man was sufficiently moved to break off their vacations), and the White House tooled its response to Joe Lieberman's defeat at the hands of a "far left" cut 'n runner accordingly. The thwarting of the plot (with a man inside, as is the custom in plots both thwarted and unthwarted) became itself a time bomb, rigged to detonate in the faces of populist leaders who even modestly reflect the now conventional wisdom that the war is an abject failure (at least according to how failure is conventionally understood). This would be a reminder and an example that the threat is real, though the threat was no less real - and possibly more real - when Bojinka was foiled in 1995.

Last night on the RI forum, "sunny" wondered "So, if the plot was foiled, why was the terror alert raised? That in itself tells me everything I need to know."

Let one happen, stop the rest. Should we to be grateful then that, for whatever reason, they stop some?

178 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

and why raise the "terror fear level" as you announce it, particularly when you have been leaving it then they admit low over the long term invesgiations?

"There's a lot that Rove and Murdoch would love to distract you from these days. As Marc Landreville from Canada writes (concerning the thwarted terror plans): "I don't get it. It takes many months of investigation to uncover this plot, and only after the plot is thwarted and 18 arrested, do they radically tighten up the carry-on baggage policy."
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060810.wTerrorattack0809/CommentStory/Front/home

And it's certainly convenient that as soon as the U.S. poll by Scripps Howard comes out saying 36% of the population believe Bush did 9-11 in an "inside job" this happens.

Of course as AFP noted, what is assuredly a different 30% entirely of the U.S. are unable to even remember what year 9-11 was.

Therefore, that leaves us about 70% sentient beings in the United States with a memory longer than the previous commercial break.

Thus, combining that poll with the other Scripps poll, of those 70%, a bare majority of 36% of the sentient beings in the United States have just come to terms--five years later, mind you--that Bush killed 3,000+ for his own political gain and psychic imprinting to attempt to go out and conquer the world.

The only "legitimacy" Bush ever had was in the fake story of 9-11. All his legislation, wars, etc., tie back to this knotted lie. Now that is even unravelling.

And when you unravel that and the rest completely unravels. For instance the rats are already leaving the sinking ship, by attempting to distance themselves with the 9-11 official fairy tale.

9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon: Allegations Brought to Inspectors General
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 2, 2006; Page A03

Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate. Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html

Other terror events, as noted by Jody Paulson tend to happen suspiciously close to other incredible scandals of the Bush administration, like the "re-beheading" of Nick Berg (who, it turns out, once let the '19th hijacker' use his email address) was 'beheaded' in the same kind of chairs and orange jumpsuit they use at Abu Ghraib. And doctors have said that that was fake because there is no way that he could have no reaction while someone was carving on his neck unless he was already dead. Moreover, the psyop perpetrators feeding these "updated 'don't think about Bush crimes just be shocked' videos", were obviously faking U.S. military personnel in some way, because other analyists note that these "A-rabs" supposedly in the film don't know how to roll their turbans and they wear wedding rings on the hand that you wipe your a** with in Muslim lands. Doesn't happen.

Then the real terrorists in U.K. shut down all the Heathrow flights, just to make the day memorable for more disrupted people.

And it may have something to do with neocon Lieberman (the "(White) house democrat" who co-introduced the fascist Patriot Act, losing his Democratic primary to an antiwar activist.

And it may have something to do with McKinney suffering defeat in Mexican style vote fraud in Georgia, where suddenly thousands of voters are invented to topple her.

Brad Blog's numbers, once more from Paulson:

(the following is a comment from http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3198#more-3198 )
Here's the stats:

In the [July 18th] primary:
—————-
McKinney 29,216
Johnson 27,529
Coyne 5,253

In [the Aug. 8th] runoff:
——————-
McKinney 28,832
Johnson 41,178

So, from July 18 to Aug 8:
—————————
McKinney got 616 more votes
Johnson got 13,649 more votes

If 100% of the Coyne voters (impossible) voted for Johnson, then Johnson still got 8,000 extra votes from somewhere.

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Where can you find out this information? Hardly anywhere. Cynthia McKinney is the only voice in Congress to have seriously spoken truth to power about 9-11. This is important. Our democracy is going down the drain, and they're talking about how we can't take deodorant on the plane."

That about says it.

Just another fake event in a synthetic reality we call the media-mediated Fourth Reich, or is it Orwell's Anglo-America fascist Oceania state come true?

One nation, under distractions,
always divisible,
with reactions and psyops for all.

8/11/2006 12:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Richard said...

"You hand in your ticket
And you go watch the geek
Who immediately walks up to you
When he hears you speak
And says, "How does it feel
To be such a freak?"
And you say, "Impossible"
As he hands you a bone

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?"

Bob Dylan

"The London conspiracy is "a stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation," the president said on a day trip to Wisconsin.

"It is a mistake to believe there is no threat to the United States of America," he said. "We've taken a lot of measures to protect the American people. But obviously we still aren't completely safe.""

Jesus. Same shit different day.

If I were paranoid, I'd think that these foiled bomb plots & Osama videos, etc., that magically appear to coincide with each new leak in the S.S. Bushtanic, were pre-arranged.

Of course, I'm not paranoid, so I know, in my heart of hearts, that these are just fortuitous coincidences that benefit Mr. Bush because God loves him.

Did I also mention that I believe in Santa?

Hmmm...come to think of it....

Well then, howzabout the Easter Bunny & the Tooth Fairy?

I'm even hoping to convince the Tooth Fairy to send her sister the Root Fairy after I have my upcoming ROOT CANAL. I'm hoping for a nice shiny quarter & maybe some magic pixie dust too, after I place my canalled root under my pillow.

8/11/2006 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am personal friends with the tooth fairy...she is SWEET! What's your address? I'll hook you up... She gives $5 bills at my house. A root canal out to be worth at least $25?

I'm gonna destroy YOU!!! (LOL that was funny)

http://images.google.com/images?q=Beth+and+Katie+and+Johnny&hl=en

8/11/2006 01:04:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

I sampled the processed (and entirely predictable) treatment of this "breaking story" on the many channels oozing harmoniously out of my TV set tonight, and only one even pretended to raise a skeptical eyebrow at the coincidence of the story being released immediately following Lieberman's ouster from the loyal opposition party: Keith Olbermann's Countdown.

The thing that struck me about Keith's show (as well as the hipster "fake" news show, The Daily Show) was that the seemingly honest or liberal TV news spewers are actually far better at guarding the gates of power than the strutting fascists like O' Reilly and Glenn Beck, because they assure the discomfitted that things aren't really as bad as they seem. When Olbermann, for example, posed his penetrating question about the apparent coincidence of timing involved with this story, his guest talking head, Jonathon Alder, deftly crossed his legs to prevent the metaphorical penetration by answering that it's the media's responsibility to give the government the benefit of the doubt in these things when they happen, and then to go back later to verify whether the government's assertions were correct, because to do otherwise would constitute unwarranted cynicism. Does wow suffice? What artistry! What larks!

I loved the part about going back later and digging hard for the facts--American television audiences in particular are so famous for the length of their attention spans, and the news outlets for following up on all those scandals they scandalize us with. And then to top it all off, they wrapped things up with the serious admonition, looking right in the camera: "Let's not forget that there are people out there who want to kill you." The media are not whores; they are artistes.

The other thing to watch for is the ebb and flow, bait and switch game. When Countdown covered the news release of Haditha some months back, the story was immediately followed--and I mean no commercials in between, even--with the most sickeningly patriotic, jingoistic crap about some jarhead in Iraq who could have gotten a free ride home because his brother died or something, and while the bugle softly blared, the young marine squared his already rectalinear jaw a little more and told the reporter, "No, ma'am, I signed on to do a job, and the job's not done yet. If we all try a little harder, it'll get done, ma'am." The reporter was glistening. I counted no fewer than 12 American flags casually placed during his jaw-squaring.

Ditto on The Daily Show, but with reverse chronology. Stewart will have some peacenik on first, then the next night give Michael Mandelbaum attentive and respectful head on national television as Mandelbaum explains how the US is entirely and without exception benevolent in its foreign policy, and that it's our current civic duty to decide whether to extend this benevolence to all the countries of the world (regardless of whether they've asked for our humanitarian touch.)

The only American TV newsperson who might just have a soul is Stephen Colbert, and that's only due to the fact that he does satire--when he's in character aping the other newsgoebbels it's probably just too hard for the real apes to see that he's actually flinging feces at them. It ain't I.F. Stone, but it's all we've got.

8/11/2006 01:35:00 AM  
Anonymous hot hot hot said...

Stephen Colbert is hot.

I really mean it...he is HOT.

If that donesn't explain to you men just how much a sharp sense of humor combined with deep intellect turns a real woman on...

Ok, well - Gotta go now....

8/11/2006 01:44:00 AM  
Anonymous jon said...

that *is* one of the things that has always bothered me about the Daily Show--the idea seems to be that if we can just laugh at the keystone cops running washington, then we'll all magically be transported to a better place where we aren't all collectively guilty of allowing the cabal that terrorizes the globe to remain in power. maybe chompsky refuses to peer through the looking glass and maybe 'V for Vendetta's plot was paper-thin, but they both make a strong case for collective guilt for the status quo. 'i didn't vote for 'em,' we say, 'and i don't agree with 'em, but they *are* funny...' no, they're not: they might be laughable, but they are anything but funny. which is so evident once you get jon stewart onto another show--he suddenly sobers up (re: his 'Crossfire' and 'Larry King Live' appearences) and his jokes are sublte insights into where he seems to *know* we are headed.
none-the-less, i think his show and the 'Colbert Report' have merit: over and over again they whip out clips long since shoved down the mem-hole and place them alongside the pontifications-du-jour to demonstrate that the cabal plays the same hand again and again and again--the other day i watched a re-run of a Jan.05 episode of 'the Daily Show' and they quite insightfully pointed out how bush's 2nd inaugural was a rehash of the same ol' thing:

'freedom'-'terror'-'freedom'-'freedo-'-'terror'-'terr--'-'freedom'-'democracy'...

i'd like to believe that *that* is why 20-40 yr-olders fared better than anyone on the "what year was 9-11' in?" poll...

and let's not forget that Colbert's WH press corps dinner performance was, imo, historic: can you imagine lenny bruce doing that to the likes of eisenhower?

8/11/2006 02:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"and let's not forget that Colbert's WH press corps dinner performance was, imo, historic: can you imagine lenny bruce doing that to the likes of eisenhower?"

Eisenhower was a far better man than GWB. If nothing else, I can't find evidence of the Nixon/Bush evil cynicism in Ike. And maybe I just give him a pass for his famous speech warning Americans that the Military Industrial Complex was taking over.

It did, of course, and we hardly blinked. (I wasn't born yet, although I sure recall Watergate on the TV.)

Everyone, please, see "V for Vendetta." Take courage from it. Yes, ultimately it's Hollywood entertainment, but it's also much more than that.

It is inspiration. Let's use it.

8/11/2006 02:35:00 AM  
Anonymous trachys said...

Someone should use the Freedom from - er, of Information Act to investigate what the agencies of the Free World knew about Bojinka.

Wait, someone has, here.

Oh.

8/11/2006 03:21:00 AM  
Anonymous jon said...

"This is bush-league psych-out stuff!" --Jesus

this latest false-flag terror business is so win-win for the US and the UK. blair gets what he wants:


"Bigger, dafter, creepier - Gordon Brown's ID scheme rescue plan

'Sources' close to Chancellor Gordon Brown are floating plans to finish off ID cards entirely in the UK - although that isn't quite how they're putting it. Instead, the advance men for the Prime Minister in waiting are offering a nightmare pitch that harnesses the private sector to implement a total surveillance system while raking in revenue for the Government..."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/07/brown_id_expansion/


the US gets what it wants:


"Cheney characterizes 'disturbing' Lieberman loss as sign Democrats weak on terror

...

'I think there's a significant body of opinion that wants to go back,' Cheney added, to a 'sort of the pre-9/11 mind set, in terms of how we deal with the world we live in.'

Cheney concluded by adding that he feels 'significantly better' about Republican prospects to maintain control of Congress than he did months ago." [i bet!]

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Cheney_characterizes_disturbing_Lieberman_loss_as_0810.html



and...snake eyes! you loose, the house wins again. to those who've noticed, they aren't even bothering to list the perps nor how they planned on doing it using "liquids" nor are they blaming al-queda (al-who?), but the 'enemy in our midst'. and didja catch this?:



"Blair forewarned Bush of terror threat to US airlines

· Decision to sanction raids took ministers by surprise
· First Cobra meeting took place late on Wednesday

Patrick Wintour, political editor
Friday August 11, 2006
The Guardian

Downing Street admitted Tony Blair would not have left the country on Monday for his Caribbean holiday if he had known the police would need to swoop so quickly to disrupt a terrorist plot...[but] No. 10 was reluctant to go into details of exactly how much Mr Blair has known about the scale of the plot in the past few months.

....

Hours later [after Blair phoned Bush] police and security services were in contact with their US partners to say a specific threat was being acted upon.

....

The decision to sanction the raids took ministers by surprise. Douglas Alexander, the transport secretary, was on holiday in Mull on Wednesday when he was told by security officials he needed to be briefed on a threat to UK aviation. The official flew to Mull, and he was told there was a plot to blow up planes simultaneously.

Mr Alexander immediately decided he needed to be in London. So an RAF helicopter was flown to the island and he was taken to London in time for the first Cobra meeting that began a little before midnight. John Reid, the home secretary, chaired the meeting, which included senior figures from the security services, defence chiefs and Metropolitan police.

....

The foiling of the alleged plot also fuelled the demands for a recall of parliament originally made to debate the British approach to the Lebanese crisis.

....

The Tory MP Paul Goodman said '[A]ll Muslims must strive ceaselessly to condemn, confront and root out support for terror from their communities. Loyalty to Britain and its way of life must come first.'"

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,1842320,00.html


it's so clear that no one in the public eye was running this show. what we've got is some shadow org (cartoonishly named "cobra") that, in the dead of night with the PM out of the country and parliament groggily gathering to discuss lebanon and dept heads on vacation, suddenly orders a code red that sweeps up the apparatchiks ostensibly in charge, in order to obtain their compliance (and complicity, should somthing go wrong) in carrying out the gestapo-like raids. *after* they called their US counterparts first, of course.

8/11/2006 03:36:00 AM  
Anonymous GunHillTrain said...

It's amazingly cool that Oliver Stone's World Trade Center is being released today.

Anyone want to guess the weekend box office figures for that flick?

8/11/2006 07:11:00 AM  
Blogger #1 Sniffer said...

You can smell it in the air (death coming). Lebanon's ruins and genocide expand and the world either doesn't care much or actively supports it and the conversion of a people by the hundred thousand into stricken refugees (thanks to the survivors of the holocaust and their biggest sponsor, Uncle Sam, who's determined to spread freedom in that part of the world).

And why if we as a people partake in that should we feel exempt from similar outcomes? Most Indians too felt immmune to the anscestors of those we calmly live side by side with (the satanic ruling class) until it was too late. And thanks to some of their like-minded folk (like Bill Gates) bio-weapons are getting a firm grip in Africa too.

This so-called latest terrorist "thwarting" in England is a big transparent hoax, but it appears to be a precursor to much worse things in store for us that won't be thwarted.

It's a tease to deceive us about how hard they worked to protect us until the numbers overwhelmed them. But what amazes most is how most people fall for it hook line and sinker. Being constantly lied to, they believe each new lie with equal fervor.

But we know what causes that, it's fear, only that can lead us to shut down our intellect and will, and facilitate our own mind-control and self-destruction, and we should take note of that crucial point and ask what gets rid of fear in general? And we should ask it until we get an answer.

And that answer is spiritual power, and we've all learned at one time or another how to get it, so let's all get that back and be healed, knowing that collective spiritual power can lead us back to safety as a people, and render us immune to manipulation and ruin by disgusting satanists who actually at minimum need to be put in prison.

If you know God, you realize there's nothing really to fear, we will all die anyway, but by not living in fear now (i.e., in freedom) we will think clearly and live each moment very well even amongst the worst difficulties, and even if our life is shorter, with time being relative it will have been an incomparably more satisfying and richer life just the same. You wouldn't trade it for anything. Let it be freedom or nothing for us, again.

Therefore anyone can still win by not surrendering to fear, which comes from surrendering to God first.

And when fearless, we'll be able to sacrifice and die if need be for our country in great numbers, and when cowards are confronted we will see how they will panic and disappear from our lives, and we will then begin to rout them.

So rumours of mankind's (our) premature death have been greatly exaggerated.

True, approaching bad times will necessarily drive us to God's feet, but eventually our new resulting strength from that act will turn the tide in our favor.

8/11/2006 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Gouda said...

Jeff, sorry, just a quick question about "a sun that now seems to burn an alien white." I think I am missing the reference, or missed a previous post. To what does this refer?

8/11/2006 08:23:00 AM  
Blogger sunny said...

Wow Jeff, thanks for the h/t!

The thought was born of necessity- I refuse to live in terror and seize on whatever will displace it.

Why are so many willing to give in to it?{terror} Why is it easier to be afraid than to question?

The problem, from my pov, is that my questions lead to a different kind of fear. What will displace my fear of a police state, as opposed to "Islamo-fascists?"

Which is preferable-to be afraid of "them", or us?

The only comfort I can take is this- at least I (and every inhabitant of RigInt) am trying to live by my own reasoning, and refuse to buy into theirs.

8/11/2006 09:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From the original post


that the threat is real


Look at yet more secret information against israel contained in this blog! This is subliminal anti-semitism being propagated!

This is very sophisticated and you are all being manipulated by people running this blog who may not even know that they are working for al qaeda!

8/11/2006 10:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

You have to be kidding......of course you are.

Jeff, excuse me for the following, because it is not meant as a compliment, or a criticism, but rather I will crawl down into Anony's (are you Hava?) dialectic hole, and state that Jeff would be considered an AIPAC Schill rather than an al-Qaeda compromised Anti-Semite.

Of course, pulling myself up out of that nasty hole, and dusting myself off, Jeff, is obviously niether.......but he could be a CIA Asset. ;-)

8/11/2006 10:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Hey Irie:

Great analysis. I have noticed the very same thing, and I share your sentiments and observations.

Jon:

Great points, and I also share your sentiments. There is something Karmically wrong with laughing all of this corruption and carnage away. I'm not eschewing humor, but its use by the Daily Show is becoming rather perverse, if you ask me. It appears the purpose is to now exploit and profit from the discontented's angst and, at the same time, provide enough of a venting misdirection as to neutralize any potential fomented movement. Otherwise, the PTB wouldn't allow it.

I don't watch it regularly for this very reason. I feel as though I'm being manipulated and innoculated when I do.

8/11/2006 10:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Sunny,

I can't tell you how closely your comments match my predilections.....it's like a mind-meld is the best way to describe it.

8/11/2006 10:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

I know that I fall into the "Us/Them" trap quite often myself, but then I try to remind myself that the distinction is an illusion. We're accepting a pre-determined role in the game, and it's the game itslef, not the players, that is in control.
----

The further on I go,
Oh, the less I know.
Friend or foe,
There's only us.

-Peter Gabriel

8/11/2006 11:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Life Has A Way Of Making You Live It.

8/11/2006 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just knew bushmonster and blair would have to pull something to distract "the general public" who they treat like ignorant feudal slaves just salivating for the next horror. Well, since I have known since day one of bushmonster's reign of terror that things would become worse; even i could never have imagined that they would get away with an illegal war, illegal wiretapping, torture, guantanamo, et al. it boggles the mind. Where are the laws that protect us from these truly EVIL creatures who have absolutely no morality or sense of human dignity?
all I can ask is WHATS NEXT> I used to enjoy traveling, living in this country, normal stuff. These completely corrupt, moronic, drunken, rich nightmares from hell have destroyed everything good in this world. May they be judged someday=i do still believe in karma. They must be stopped and I hope to god it happens soon because it is probably already way too late. I feel sorry for the children that will live in this world in the future.

8/11/2006 11:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Please let us not fall into the trap that this is all just Bush and Blair and if we just get rid of them it will all go away.

Everyone seems to be saying Bush this, and Blair that, but we should all be on the same page that it is not Bush and Blair.....they are two clowns....they are the mask. It's the systemic power behind that mask, and the people who comprise it, that should be the focus.

8/11/2006 12:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So the liquids and gels brought by passengers were potentially so dangerous that they were simply discarded in ordinary rubbish bins and carted out with the rest of the garbage. Be prepared to travel naked pretty soon - they are getting the flying showers ready for you (only a hygienic, delousing procedure, no need to worry).

8/11/2006 12:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Yeah, no kidding. Before long they will have all us men ejaculating into cups before baording, because, afterall, ejaculate is a gel as we learned in Something About Mary

I know....it's Sophomoric. Oh well...

8/11/2006 12:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

There is one positive thing to come out of the crackdown implemented as a result of this latest False Flag Terrorist Plot. People won't be allowed to take their whole freakin Living Room with them on the plane. I'm about sick of the sonofabitches who have to take every last belonging on the plane with them when they travel. I take great pleasure in knowing they will be materially and sensorially deprived. Perhaps they will be forced to pay more attention, rather than distracted and bogged down.

8/11/2006 12:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

Don't yall worry. In the near future we'll all be provided with comfy orange jumpsuits and black hoods, while shackled into those white boxcars. So, you know, it's all good.

8/11/2006 12:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"So, if the plot was foiled, why was the terror alert raised? That in itself tells me everything I need to know."

Bingo.

Welcome to the New World of State sponsored terror to intimidate the masses and prop up the crooks.

8/11/2006 12:58:00 PM  
Blogger blogbart said...

I just saw Oliver Stone's World Trade Center movie. While this movie is not overt "conspiracy theory", consider the following things he has put into movie:

- the many explosions in towers after planes hit and before bldgs fall
-multiple obvious (rarely seen) instances of WTC 7's collapse
- only characters calling for revenge are nut bar Marine re-enlistee and a chubby cop from Wisconsin who girlishly squeaks "bastards"

Stone has managed to vividly portray the destruction of life which, for me, has served to rejuvenate my resolve to try to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11.

I was also heartened to see that Buzzflash called BS on this so quick: U.K. Terror Plot Foiled Just a Day after Lieberman's Defeat. Coincidence? Submitted by BuzzFlash on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 10:29am. A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS

Finally, and most ominously:

"We're not convinced this particular operation is connected to the al Qaeda chain of command," Charles Allen, Chief of Intelligence for the Department of Homeland Security, told reporters on Thursday afternoon.

Are they going to create a new group(s) than al queda?

8/11/2006 01:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Portrait of the New American

http://hometown.aol.com/buffalocreekfarm/images/24may02%20calf2.jpg

8/11/2006 01:06:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

"we should all be on the same page that it is not Bush and Blair....."
---shrub

exactly: blair wasn't even in-country when it happened, and the article linked to earlier stated clearly that they weren't going to divulge how much he knew about the op before it took place. why? because he didn't know jack--it was a courtesy call to even mention he knew *something* about it at all. first thing i thought was that they were out to embarrass the guy, putting him in his place--how dispensible are you when they make the point that the 'real' work gets done when you skip town?

8/11/2006 01:30:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

"Downing Street admitted Tony Blair would not have left the country on Monday for his Caribbean holiday if he had known.."
---the guardian

@#$%--forgot my own best quote; first thing the man does when he finds out they pulled this was make *damn* sure the papers put his side of the story at the top: "listen, wonks--i wouldn't have left if i'd have known..."

8/11/2006 01:36:00 PM  
Blogger AJ said...

.."So, you know, it's all good."

No it is not, and it is not funny.

I watched C-Span the other day while the UN ambassador from Iran voiced his country's opinion on the UN sanctions rule. Before he summed up his response with the end result being for the UN to 'kiss his Islamic ass', he had the opportunity to expound on some reasons they could bend and smooch.

Not only did he bring up historical documented accounts of CIA and false flag involvement prior to the installation of the Shaw of Iran, but also mentioned the complete control/influence western monies-i.e. IMF /World Bank, have detrimentally influenced and enslaved nation states. He expounded on the west's involvment and help to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, including the use of chemical weapons.
Something not talked about in historical/political circles.

There is also another interesting development that I have not heard being discussed here. Aside from C-Spans televised commercial/photo-op of Alex Jones, and Governor Kean's statement to the press concerning his quick-close-the-gate-the-horses-are-out commission report, the questions are becoming religious in nature.
I find this event very interesting. Perhaps we shall hear from Pat Robertson soon.

The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)'s publishing arm has released a book that says President Bush organized New York's Sept. 11 attacks.

The decision by the 160-year-old Westminster John Knox Press, the trade and academic publishing imprint of the Presbyterian Publishing Corp., to attribute the attacks on the World Trade Center brings into the U.S. religious mainstream a conspiracy theory long held by the world's jihadists.

In 'Christian Faith and the Truth behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action,' author David Ray Griffin calls the United States the world's 'chief embodiment of demonic power, says he initially scoffed at 9/11 conspiracy theories.

But after investigating he concluded that the Twin Towers were brought down by controlled demolition, military personnel were given stand-down orders not to intercept hijacked flights and the 9/11 Commission, ostensibly created to uncover the truth behind the events of 9/11, 'simply ignored evidence' that the administration was involved in the attacks.

Griffin further asserts that such events such as that of 9/11 are part of a long history of 'false-flag attacks,' attacks orchestrated by governments against their own people to garner popular support for military action.

Griffin is a professor at California's Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Graduate University, and a codirector of the Center for Process Studies.

8/11/2006 01:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Lupsapien said...

Interesting to note that once again, at least according to the official story, the suspects all seem to have ties to a nation that we're on friendly terms with, Pakistan.

To pull a quote from the Times-Online article that Jeff links to at the top of the post:

"Michael Chertoff, the US Homeland Security Secretary, said that the British plot was “getting really quite close to the execution stage”. For British and American crisis planners, the date August 22 looms large. This year it corresponds in the Islamic calendar to the day in 1427 which Muslims commemorate as when Muhammad took flight on the winged horse Buraq to the “furthest mosque”, usually assumed to be Jerusalem. Bernard Lewis, an expert on the Middle East, writes: “This might well be deemed an appropriate date for the apocalyptic ending of Israel and if necessary of the world.”

President Ahmadinejad of Iran has cited August 22 as the date on which he will give his final answer on nuclear development. The suggestion that the foiled British plot involved blowing up aircraft over towns and cities corresponds with a longstanding ambition held by al-Qaeda."
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Nice way to tie these folks in with Iran, even if there's no evidence of that connection. You know, just in case...

Also, maybe it's just the difference between British and American journalism, but that entire 'news' article read very much like an editorial to me.

8/11/2006 02:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

Oh, and of course the lead suspects are British citizens. Looks like I just did exactly what was expected, and confused ethnicity with nationality.

Note to self: Culture is not genetic.

8/11/2006 02:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I take my comforts where I can find them, and this morning I found them on CSPAN.

A show I like to watch is the morning call-in show on CSPAN. I believe its called Washington Insider. Well, this morning I awoke to a parade of 'conspiracy theorist' callers. At least 75% of them, and a few times they'd line up like ducks-in-a-row, 4 or 5 at a time before it felt like a shill would be introduced to cut off their momentum. They were calling the White House the terrorists, and almost without fail, pointed out the complicity of the Democrats.

It was exhilirating(sic?)! At one point I found myself clapping and whooping!

Despite all the doom and gloom, I'd say that the sane perspective is permeating, and this is a victory that is sneaking right by ALL of us.

Doesn't anyone remember the days not so long ago when Bush was nothing less than infallible? When saying anything detrimental to sir shrubmeister was borderline insanity? And God forbid that anyone saw the Dems as complicit.

Without the corporate media on our side to this day, an about face has been accomplished. This is not to say there aren't still far too many dolts out there, but sanity is making a stand, very obviously. It might be painful for sanity to prevail, but its there, where it didn't seem to exist before.

The popular perspective in this country has evolved so much further in the last few years than I could have imagined. Seeing the corporate news and corporate bloggers remain to be so blind these days can be very disheartening, but the people truly are awakening, and it feels good!

8/11/2006 03:05:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

"Interesting to note that once again, at least according to the official story, the suspects all seem to have ties to a nation that we're on friendly terms with, Pakistan." --lupsapien

seems like pakistanis and saudis are today what cubans have been for the octopus for the last 40 years: the disposable oswalds doing the down-and-dirty work. when the RISK board had latin america on it, they used latinos. from arbenz's guatemala to dealy plaza to watergate to iran-contra, the same batch of cubans kept cropping up, like the ISI does these days. when the agency ran out of use for these over-exposed lackies and started picking up its game big time in the middle east, it started picking up paks in afghanistan I in the 80s and have been using them ever since. and daniel pearl got his head lopped off for looking for the connections.

8/11/2006 03:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

After the bust yesterday, it was announced that, as would be expected, stock prices were falling for the affected airlines. I was wondering if the prices started falling before or after the story broke. As it turns out, the prices started their current descent in early July, after a fairly steady climb over the previous 2 years.

see:

http://www.quote.com/qc/stocks/charts.aspx?symbols=NYSE:AMR

Of course, I'm not expert on the financial markets (far from it), but I can't help but wonder who was selling their airline stock recently.

8/11/2006 03:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

Meant to include: The link above is specifically for American Airlines.

8/11/2006 03:47:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

David Ray Griffin is it? I checked my saved files and found a couple of eye-opening things on him. Like this from a September 2004 Daniel Hopsicker item:

Clowns formed the false opposition—people pretending to oppose those to whom they secretly owe allegiance. Like the Phony Bought-Off Left before them, planted to divert and deflect the attention of the only medium which wasn't completely under control at the time of the 9/11 attack.

It started when we received several dozen spams from previously-unknown individuals who needed to tell us of their delight in a new book. One typical message came from someone named "Fred Burks" at something named http://www.septembereleventh.org/.
Fred’s message (The 9/11 X-Files - A review of The New Pearl Harbor) was enthusuatic, but a little stilted, like a book review in English class. He sounded about as sincere as sincere can be, but what he sincerely wanted me to know sounded more than a little dubious.
“This is the by far best book I've seen on the 9/11 cover-up,” gushes Fred, about “The New Pearl Harbor,” by David Ray Griffin a theology professor at Claremont college. “It has already woken up many, many thousands of people… I can't recommend this book highly enough.”

We mulled over Fred’s advice. Apparently a groundswell of public opinion was developing around the central premise that Divinity Professors are an underused resource in homicide investigations.

We’d somehow missed it. On the off-chance that there was something else in play, we wondered: who the f- is Fred?

And we were, of course, shocked—shocked!—when we discovered that Fred—and this is a coincidence!—used to work for, and sometimes still does, President George W. Bush, who was the beneficiary of a campaign by Fred to get people to pray for him.

We thought: isn't that precious. Then we read this quote from Fred: "I'll be sitting in a room with President Bush and President Megawati of Indonesia helping them to communicate with each other by interpreting. Several other top government leaders from the US and Indonesia will be present. What I like to do in these meetings whenever I'm not interpreting is to channel divine love to everyone present."

Now we thought: isn't that creepy.


On the other hand, "The Gatekeepers of the So-Called Left" has this to say about a Griffin-Chip Berlet detate on Amy Goodman's show:

Despite their being a virtual laundry list of inconsistencies to the "official" story, and documented proof of government cover-up activity, the final product, "The New Pearl Harbor: A Debate On A New Book That Alleges The Bush Administration Was Behind The 9/11 Attacks," focused almost exclusively on a handful of weak speculations made by French researcher Thierry Meyssan, not Griffin, about aspects of the Pentagon strike. This well-worn tactic known as the "straw man argument" is used by detractors to attack and undermine the weakest part of an alternative theory in order to dismiss it and alienate the public from the larger issue. If a journalist with otherwise flawless research happens to have one bad assertion, the 90 per cent he or she got right is generally ignored in favor of attaching the person to their one misstep. This tactic presupposes in a "deductive" argument that the theory is only as strong as the weakest link. Berlet tried to discredit Griffin by associating him with Meyssan, even though Griffin stated clearly on the show that his book merely compiled information from other researchers in order to raise questions that made a solid case that the "official" was simply implausible.

By only choosing to focus on the most difficult theories to believe—regardless of their potential merit—Goodman and Berlet completely missed the point. Griffin stated quite clearly on the program: "There are all sorts of possible theories as to what happened. You don't have to come up with an alternative theory to show that the 'official' theory is very problematic."


Now, Berlet is a questionable item himself, and it isn't exactly clear to me from these two quotes just which side Griffin is on. Was he being unfairly targeted by Berlet, or was his book deliberately constructed as a straw man? And what about "Fred"?

But at the very least, it does make me wonder a bit about Griffin's role in the 911 movement.

8/11/2006 04:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Ah...very insightful, Starroute.

Talk about muddy waters.

8/11/2006 04:21:00 PM  
Blogger Et in Arcadia ego said...

"Look at yet more secret information against israel contained in this blog! This is subliminal anti-semitism being propagated!

This is very sophisticated and you are all being manipulated by people running this blog who may not even know that they are working for al qaeda!"


How's about you FUCK OFF, Mr Alphabet..

8/11/2006 04:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Dumbed Down said...

Who is the enemy of freedom and democracy?

8/11/2006 05:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

Regarding the Anon posting about
threat is real = threat ISREAL...

Was that serious? I sorta thought it was someone being facetious?

I think it's been pointed out by Shruba a few times recently that the line between satire and reality has become rather blurry as of late. I'd have to agree.

Oh, and before I forget again, a belated thanks to the first Anon poster at "Predator Class 2" for the link to the entry at The Agonist. Well worth the read. One of my favorite bits:

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"One story Americans love is this, ‘the good guys always win.” Now, I’m not going to argue that story isn’t true, that often the bad guys win. What I’m going to say is something else – for that story to work for you, you have to be the good guys. The good guys don’t invade countries based on lies. They don’t enrich their cronies in companies like Haliburton before spending 1/10th the money to get the job done right with locals. The good guys don’t torture people. They don’t lock people up without giving them trials.

When the good guys win because they are good, and being good is more powerful than being evil, because it makes people want to be on your side, they do it because they are truly good.

People are acclimatized to play out their roles. You put someone in charge of a team and even if he’s never lead, he knows more or less what to do. You make a man a prison guard and most become brutes. We know how to be father, mother, coach, buddy, co-worker, teacher, student, patient, nurse… all of those roles are there, and we step naturally into them when we need to.

And if we all step into our roles in a story, the story generally happens as it should. But when people aren’t playing their roles, the story loses its explanatory power. Cowards don’t die for their belief. Good guys don’t torture. Terrorist organizations don’t pick up the garbage."
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8/11/2006 05:38:00 PM  
Anonymous dumbed down said...

So wolfman, are you saying there are no rules to the game?

Isnt the first step of any game/war to understand and identify the enemy? (Sun Tzu)

Who is the enemy?

8/11/2006 05:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Was that serious? I sorta thought it was someone being facetious?


This is very serious indeed! Some of the conspiracy "research" on this site could further anger the moslems who will think of even more insidious attacks! You are providing them with intellectual foods which is like giving them a weapon!

You people are truly very sick!

This is the problem with people reading internet "news", it is like a fantasy.

Real media, such as a television, is the only way to remain informed without being maninpulated by the informational terrorist networks of the internet!

Soon, none of you will be so curious when the jihad is in your bedroom!

8/11/2006 05:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

I'm not saying there aren't any rules to the game. I'm saying that, by virtue of there being rules to follow, it's the game that plays you.

We have met the enemy...

8/11/2006 06:05:00 PM  
Anonymous dumbed down said...

Yes indeed, and the social engineering rolls on.

In this faux crises = solution manipulation of reality, the world planners are'nt working in real time, they are months and years ahead.

8/11/2006 06:14:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

Luposapien said -

I'm not saying there aren't any rules to the game. I'm saying that, by virtue of there being rules to follow, it's the game that plays you.

I love that. It sounds like one of those statements that turns out to be far, far deeper than the original context that inspires it. And it provokes such questions as:

- Just what games are playing us humans, anyway?

- What are games? Do they have a viral nature, as noetic lifeforms which infest their hosts?

- What is the lifespan of games? Is it their nature to be effectively immortal, like bacteria? Or do they arise, maintain themselves for a while, give birth to new games, and then pass away again?

- What happens when people playing very different games interact? Do the games share their players, using them in different roles? (And are the players aware of this as a form of cognitive dissonance?) Or do the games adapt to each other, shaping themselves into a new and more collaborative game?

- (And just how do mommy games and daddy games make baby games anyway and does the daddy game ... no, let's not go there.)

- Does whatever the hell it is the human race has been up to for the last several centures -- swapping around food and music and clothing like crazy -- represent a grand mating dance of the games which play us? Is the coming singularity nothing to do with technology after all, but simply the point at which a common set of games play us all?

- What do our games want of us, in the long run? Other creatures play, but only humans have formal games, with rules and objectives and assigned roles. (In the same way, and for the same reason, that only humans have formal language.) Are we their special pets? Or, on the other hand, are games, in some sense, the visible manifestation of the world-soul?

- For that matter, why have role playing games -- and their video offshoots -- swept around the world over the last few decades, leaping cultural boundaries as though they barely existed. Is this blurring of the line between game-playing and everyday life that they seems to be pushing us into also part of a coming singularity? Is the human fate to be entirely absorbed into our games so that nothing remains outside?

There's a lot to think about in that.

8/11/2006 07:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Evidently Mr. Bush & co. have such faith in the bomb detection abilities of other countries they didn't see the need to spend our money on such frivolous programs.

"WASHINGTON - While the British terror suspects were hatching their plot, the Bush administration was quietly seeking permission to divert $6 million that was supposed to be spent this year developing new homeland explosives detection technology.
ADVERTISEMENT

Congressional leaders rejected the idea, the latest in a series of steps by the
Homeland Security Department that has left lawmakers and some of the department's own experts questioning the commitment to create better anti-terror technologies.

Homeland Security's research arm, called the Sciences & Technology Directorate, is a "rudderless ship without a clear way to get back on course," Republican and Democratic senators on the Appropriations Committee declared recently.

"The committee is extremely disappointed with the manner in which S&T is being managed within the Department of Homeland Security," the panel wrote June 29 in a bipartisan report accompanying the agency's 2007 budget.

Rep. Martin Sabo, D-Minn., who joined Republicans to block the administration's recent diversion of explosives detection money, said research and development is crucial to thwarting future attacks and there is bipartisan agreement that Homeland Security has fallen short.

"They clearly have been given lots of resources that they haven't been using," Sabo said."

BTW, finished V for Vendetta last night & I'd have to say Alan Moore's assessment of the script was dead on...

"Rubbish"

& may I add my own review...

Twaddle.

I suppose that I could see how this crap movie could be used as an inspiration for revolution if we were a country of acrobatic martial arts experts but since the US seems to be comprised almost entirely of pudgy couch potatoes I think another plan is order.

I really doubt another testosterone fueled action adventure movie that allows folk to wallow in another fake fantasy land is going to do much even if this one does toss in some neato dialogue along with the explosions.

8/11/2006 07:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Vmeme7 said...

"Everyone, please, see "V for Vendetta." Take courage from it. Yes, ultimately it's Hollywood entertainment, but it's also much more than that."

Better yet, Everyone should READ 'V for Vendetta' (By Alan Moore and David Lloyd). it's not just hollywood shite.

8/11/2006 07:22:00 PM  
Blogger #1 Sniffer said...

I've been noticing a significant new phenomena now happening quite frequently but subtly in the mainstream media, of it frequently acknowledging that many people believe 911 was an inside job. That's new territory. Sure, it allows them "plausible denial" that they don't censor any views, but it also feeds curiosity and begins to legitimize those views they attack, and risks backfiring.

Obviously we have grown to the point the media feels it cannot ignore us and still maintain credibility with the public.

But even with biased reporting, and many 911-truth guests setup to look bad, they actually handled themselves quite well and still got the message out through, transparently inappropriate interruptions and all.

But that the risk is now being taken says a lot on the power of truth which we are arming ourselves with.

A couple of examples:

C-Span covered a recent Alex Jones 911-truth weekend in LA quite extensively,

Charlie Sheen's views on 911 were given good coverage on CNN, despite the personal potshots at Sheen.

The other day I was internet browsing with the TV on and suddenly heard O'Reilly read a letter by a viewer that actually said the words "911 was an inside job," (which O'Reilly tried to dismiss away by just smiling and ignoring it with a "how ridiculous" look, which in my opinion didn't work that well).

I've also seen many other very small references to 911 "conspiracy theories" at unexpected moments that never used to happen.

Now according to prisonplanet.com's Paul Joseph Watson, CNN's Christiane Amanpour just "equated yesterday's alleged sky terrorist liquid explosive plotters with the 9/11 truth movement, the latest brazen attempt to vilify anyone who disagrees with the official 9/11 fairytale."

He quotes Amanpour (from a live CNN broadcast on the Anderson Cooper "show"):

"And there is some evidence that is coming out now, five years after 9/11, that many, many Muslims in England and around the world, according to documentaries that have been produced, are really succumbing to the conspiracy theories. They're really now saying that 9/11 was not al Qaeda; it was a U.S./CIA, Mossad/Israel, Zionist plot, basically designed to cause a war against Islam."

And observe how attempted refutations such as this one are often so poorly thought out that they raise more questions than they attempt to answer.

8/11/2006 07:23:00 PM  
Blogger blogbart said...

starroute are you seriously considering DRG as agent of disinfo??

Is this only because GW's friend "Fred" has recommended DRG's books?

Who knows why "Fred" is recommending DRG.

DRG doubted, investigated, then felt moral imperative to alert others to his discovery that 9/11 was an inside job. He has done this by writing and speaking out.

Only later did he "join" the 9/11 truth movement by becoming member of scholars for 9/11 truth, and joining forces with others.

I think DRG is one of the straightest arrow of the bunch of 9/11 truther's.

8/11/2006 07:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To GunHill Train's quote, yes, another angle of the timing may be to "re-imprint" anyone who does go see the Oliver Stone's high emotional docudrama to equate the film with what is happening with the Al-Queda lies dished up fresh on the TV. A "Bush terrorist clique pre-emption" of his film in some sense.


Here's Carol Brouillet's review of Stone's film.

World Trade Center Premieres, 9/11 Truth Movement Responds
author: Carol Brouillet e-mail:e-mail: cbrouillet@igc.org

There was a concerted 9-11 Truth activist response to the premiere of Stone's new film. Civil disobedience was planned in a few states, legal leafletting occurred in others. The mainstream press took some interest in the actions. Theater managers were so supportive of the leafletting in California, that activists were even invited to table in the lobby of one theater which boldly asked "Was 9-11 an Inside Job?" on its marquee.

....

here

8/11/2006 08:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alex Jones (infowars.com), is predicting a massive &, possibly nuclear, secret government attack before October 25th. In other words, a classic 'October Surprise', (well it will be a surprise to those of the western populace who believe the various hoaxes).
Please remember, Jones predicted 9/11 in June of 2001.
As a reader in the Republic (still) of France I feel a certain guilt in writing this as where I live is way down their target list, (unless they try to drag France into WWIII).
Terrorist Leader General Tommy Franks said - If there is another 9/11 Marshall Law will be declared. There is already Code Red, (Marshall Law), at airports.
I urge anyone reading this, arm yourself, because if the police stae comes to pass, you are no longer a citizen, you are a civilian, & we all know what happens to them.
God Help us all.

8/11/2006 08:11:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

blogbart -

I don't wish to smear Griffin if he really is a straight arrow. I simply checked my files for what I had on him and what I found seemed problematic. Even the "I'm throwing in every alternative theory I can find just to raise doubts in people's minds" approach seems designed to cast more heat than light.

Unfortunately, I think 9/11 has gotten to the same place as the Kennedy assassination -- where the proportion of disinfo agents, gatekeepers, and eager but undiscriminating amateur researchers threatens to overwhelm whatever hope there might once have been of digging out any actual truth.

It may sound harsh, but at this point the very fact that someone is involved in 9/11 research is for me a reason to question their motivations. And the more of a feeding frenzy it becomes -- and it will - the worse it's going to get.

If I've wronged Griffin, I apologize. But right now, I have a lot of questions and no good answers.

8/11/2006 08:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I agree with Starroute. It's become one big cluster fuck. New realities have been created since, and more sinister realities are, no doubt, in the pipeline.

It's time to create our own realities, and make "them" the reactionaries.

Are you game?

8/11/2006 09:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

You are providing them with intellectual foods which is like giving them a weapon!

Not me.

I'm a 5 year old, sophomoric, psychopathic disinformationist with multiple personalities and aliases.

8/11/2006 09:37:00 PM  
Anonymous dumbed down said...

The exposure of a revised version of the cause of 911, is and will continue to be slowly revealed for all the world to see.

The institution of a one world totalitarian government demands it.

The majority of those who have awakened to the treachery that permeates the existing national governments and media will quickly embrace this false hope for peace.

A Ned Lamont or similar can easily be paraded to carry the banner of antiwar or 911 truth, liberals and republicans both can start clamoring for justice agianst the neo conservatives and wow look at all the suckers hoping in this meaningless display.

In the escalating war between all the nations identified with monotheistic ideologies, christianity, islam and judaism, the world government complicit media has embelished and establish several undeniable truths.

The Bush administration was brought to power and acts on behalf of the evangelical Armageddon pushing, torture advocating and Isreali loving Christian right.(the nazi germany of world war III)

Israel is the genocidal land grabbing, hypocritical, spying homeland for the Jews. (US media hides this reality)

The Nations of Islam are terrorist spawning, Jihad unleashing, haters of freedom and democracy fascists.

If you disagree with these sentiments, keep watching.

As world war three starts raging and people are finaly fed the root causes of the conflicts,it will be to late (it already is). But within the anarchy of collapsed economies and desolation, a savior will come, yes, you guest it, the United Nations. With the atheistic totalitarian juggernaut duo of China and Russia as the muscle to come in and restore order in the world that has been in chaos as never seen in its history.

As with the terror uleashed during the French and Bolshevik revolutions, monotheistic religions along with all who subscribe to them will be destroyed.

Good riddance says the neo-pagite, the gaia worshiper the atheist and the wiccan, we can now be happy and free. You are mistaken.

Ha Ha, there is a catch, who is behind this new world religion? A quote from its current spiritual leader is in order.

Sun Myung Moon
May 16, 2003 (Release date)
Day Of The Victory Of Heaven
October 4, 1979
World Mission Center

“I want you to know that it is God's will that all religions be united into one. You know restoration takes place according to the law of indemnity, and that God's purpose is the restoration of all mankind. Some people, like Jesus, are in the position to sacrifice for the sake of the world. The Jews as well are in a position to help God restore billions of people around the world. Their sacrifices must not remain in vain; they served an important purpose in the history of God for the sake of restoring all the multitudes of people in history.
Among the religions of the world, the Jews have suffered the most because God's loved ones are always in a position to be a sacrifice. Because God allowed such suffering to come to the Jews, God expected them to be the strongest, most understanding and most united religious people. Who shall play the central role in uniting all religions? God handpicked the Jews and trained them for that role. This is my explanation of the suffering of the Jews from the dispensational point of view; their oppression was not a punishment from God, but was the same glorious sacrificial role that Jesus was given in order to complete the restoration of mankind.”

Yes the New World Order will be under the boot of its Talmud subscribing adherents, with all competition obliterated.

http://thailandesl.chazzsongs.net/Images2/bush_with_talmud.jpg

8/11/2006 09:40:00 PM  
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8/11/2006 09:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I still think AnnaLivia had it right. The latest thwarted False Flag is not a distraction from Lieberman's loss, or Oliver Stone's recent 911 movie (which I refuse to see). It is a distraction from Israel's Atrocities in Lebanon.

Of course, who are we to speak? We set the pace with our Atrocities in Iraq, so we're one to speak.

Still, I think they pulled this rabbit out the hat to let the sheep dry off. Too much moisture makes the cotton soggy.......oops, I mean Wool....as in over the eyes. I had a lot of wine to night.

8/11/2006 09:43:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

A lot to think about starroute, I especially liked;

"are games, in some sense, the visible manifestation of the world-soul?"

Got to love the questions.

Shrub;

Yes, I am game.

8/11/2006 09:46:00 PM  
Anonymous dumbed down said...

pic of bush with talmud

http://thailandesl.chazzsongs.net/Images2/bush_with_talmud.jpg

hide n watch

8/11/2006 09:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bush_with_talmud.jpg


Or google image bush talmud

8/11/2006 09:56:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

it's like jeff said on another post: "maybe we don't know everything [about 9-11, et al] but we know enough." or something to that effect. i was *just today* reading the latest Harper's Magazine (Sept2006) and--no shit--they had this quote in it:

"HIS PREROGATIVE

From the Diary of a Lost Girl: The Autobiography of Kola Boof... In 2003, when she was interviewed on Fox News by Rita Cosby, the network reported that Boof had lived for several months in 1996 on an estate in Morocco with Osama bin Laden.
...
'He [bin Laden] talked about America. He laughed and rambled on about his favorite TV shows: The Wonder Years, Miami Vice, and MacGyver. He said the US Government was made up of "fanatical crusaders" and that he'd once worked as a mind reader and trained secret agents for the CIA. He even said that he'd had a white, blond girlfriend back in some state I'd never heard of. ... I was bored, but I listened. ... In his briefcase I would come across photographs of the star[Whitney Houston: appearently Osama had a hard-on for her], as well as copies of Playboy, but nobody in the West believes me when I tell them this. It's like they have this totally bogus image of Osama bin Laden. ... '" --pg. 24

who knows what to make of shit like this so late in the game. and who cares, in the end? WE KNOW ENOUGH.

(incidentally, the first article, "Lionhearts", was also bizarrely bucking the mantras: it's supposed to be--and probably is--satirical, but it says the war is going *greeeeeeaaaat*.....if you're a capitalist entrepreneur! from there is goes on to say that *that* is how we got to the top to begin with: slashing, stomping, killing, raping. so why all of the handwringing? the first quote is from Rainer Fassbinder: "In the last analysis, terrorism is an idea generated by capitalism to justify better defense measures to safeguard capitalism." Harper's has poured vitriol on this admin for some time now, but given our day and age, who knows how sincere anyone is?)

8/11/2006 10:02:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

that "bush with talmud" is so fake. are you trying to make this blog look and feel antisemitic? because we've never really had that kind of a problem on RI before--at least it never lasted. lately, however, we've been pestered with both you and...YOU, probably. rattling off some anti-jew diatribe shit and then posting a comment an hour later complaining how anti-jew RI and jeff are...

FUCK OFF, racist bastard.

8/11/2006 10:15:00 PM  
Anonymous dumbed down said...

John,

The talmud is a religous book with subscribers of all races.

where is the racism?

What about the muslims that extrapolated on their Jihadist views as painted by the world planers? do you have empathy for them?

8/11/2006 10:25:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

it's a doctored pic attempting to make a meritless point--*regardless* of what the price of tea is.

8/11/2006 10:27:00 PM  
Anonymous dumbed down said...

I concur, it very well could be doctored and it holds no more weight than all the doctored images we see daily through the mainstream media.

But I stand behind the assesment of political/religious picture as stated. If a religious ideoligy or organization takes a political stand, then they are accountable for the politics/crimes in which they endorse.

8/11/2006 10:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Jon, was the book on Karla Boof quoting that interview with Rita Cosby?

The transcript is here:
http://mirrormax.i8.com/whats_new.html
& it doesn't say anything like that quote.

It does say that Osama initially raped Miss Boof. She then began a relationship with him.

There's also this interesting exchange:

COSBY: Did he ever talk about his very extreme fundamentalist views, his hatred toward America?

BOOF: Well, of course. Of course he did. But you have to remember, I am born
in Andaman, Sudan, and so I am completely surrounded by that kind of mentality
anyway. We have slavery in my country. Many people have been murdered in front
of me. I have seen slaves chained up to the back of houses by Arabs. I am half
Arab. I was raised to hate America. I was taught in school, you know how you go
to elementary school? On a daily basis they would teach us kids how to hate the
American people and ...

COSBY: But he was obviously so extreme. I mean to the point, look, he
masterminded the attacks on American soil. Did you see that there was this
obviously extreme capability about him and also a charisma to guide people to do
this horrible act?

BOOF: Yes, there was. He's a very brilliant man. Some of the most brilliant
poetry I have ever read was written by Sami, who's Osama. But, he is a brilliant
man. He is -- like me, he was passionate, but he's a very violent man. He's like
Hitler in a way, you know, it's who I would compare him to. And then it's like
being the Ike Turner and Hitler combined. It was a very bad relationship. And he
is a very passionate person who really believes that what he is doing is right.
And it's very evil, though. For instance, he told me that he didn't want me to
have kids.


Osama=Ike Turner + Adolph Hitler?

Ike Turner?

8/11/2006 10:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, Richard.

No way Ike Turner....But I'll settle for The Great Santini.

8/11/2006 10:45:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

no. appearently this is an exerpt from "Diary of a Lost Girl: The Autobiography of Kola Boof" published last february. in the newest Harper's (their website still has the august issue up), september 06, the exerpt is runs from pages 22-24; the quotes are at the top of page 24. where they are at in the book i haven't a clue.

8/11/2006 10:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Osamma's a Playboy fan. You've gotta love it , Baby!! It's pure satire. I bet he has a subscription to The Nation, as well. Shit, he's just like one of us......but of course he is.

8/11/2006 10:52:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

sorry for bad spelling and extra "is"... the reason i thought it odd such a conventional magazine like Harper's would print something like this is, well, it's pretty much a conventional magazine. but at the top of the article it clearly states that the interviewer, rita cosby, reported that boof had lived for several months in morocco with OBL. she claims he raped her and kept her under house arrest, so to speak, because he is a racist, she's black, and he was afraid someone would see him breaking islam's "color rule", as he interpreted it.
she claims other bizarre shit, like he would stop up his ears when someone would play music in the house--"poison" he called it--and then later turn into a complete "party boy" demanding to listen to van halen and the B-52s. weird. pick up the mag. pages 22-4.

8/11/2006 11:00:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

about the ike thing, maybe it has something to do with OBL's love for whitney houston. she says,

"He explained to me that to possess Whitney he would be willing to break his color rule and make her one of his wives. ...Whitney Houston was the one name that he would mention constantly. How beautiful she is, what a nice smile she has, how truly Islamic she is but is just brainwashed by American culture and her husband--Bobby Brown, whom Osama talked about having killed, as if it were normal to have someone's husband killed."

--Harper's Magazine, Sept06, pg. 24.

8/11/2006 11:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

I know I've rambled on about my job a bit too much here so I'll try to keep this short.

The 1st weekend that I worked with retarded folk, I was sitting alone in a room with 12 clients doing some paperwork when I heard a muffled splat above my head. I looked up to see a fairly large turd stuck to the wall.
One of the clients had a turd tossing fetish & I was wearing a bullseye hat.

My point is, these days, everytime I read the news, I feel exactly like someone is shitting in their hand & tossing it at me.

8/11/2006 11:11:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

i laughed with my girlfriend when i read it also: osama bin laden reminiscing about "The Wonder Years"? reads like a script from f**kin "South Park".

the disinfo has invaded *our* camp... hell, they probably pitched the tents and had a fire going by the time we got there...

8/11/2006 11:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I'm sure they did......but unfortunately, we're the Marshmallows, and we're about to be toasted.

8/11/2006 11:23:00 PM  
Anonymous dumbed down said...

Gentlemen if your expose into the scatological fantasy world of Osama is complete. Please feel free to shoot holes in my theories by providing a true picture of our world, and how and why 911, and other anomalies take place in this world. What does the future have in store?

8/11/2006 11:52:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

however, i don't believe Robert Fisk's account of OBL in "The Great War for Civilization" either: in chapter one he interviews bin laden in 1996, asking him if the mujahedeen of afghanistan had not taken american support in their fight against the soviets, and bin laden snapped,

"We were never at any time friends of the Americans. We knew that the Americans supported the Jews in Palestine and that they are our enemies. Most of the weapons that came to Afghanistan were paid for by the Saudis on the orders of the Americans since Turki al-Faisal and the CIA were working together." (pp. 23-4)

so here we have the bin laden the US wants the intelligentia to believe (who else would pore thru such a tome?)--bin laden the cold, calculating warrior who never skips a beat and hates the US and israel with equal passion. the US and israel's fates are intertwined, america! oh, and by the way--he *never* worked for the agency. he said so himself. it was faisal. he was the agency man. case closed.

8/12/2006 12:04:00 AM  
Anonymous dumbed down said...

John,

You established that Osama is a cia asset, wow no wonder they could not find him.

This must surely establish that the cia is complicit in 911.

Please edify me as to why the cia would betray the usa, what could be the motive?

8/12/2006 12:26:00 AM  
Anonymous jon said...

dumbed down,

sorry--had to take a phone call. listen, i don't think it a matter of "betrayal"-they don't see themselves as beholden to the public in the first place: they aren't elected officials, after all. (it's like yoda said: "there is no 'why'.") if you seek the truth, in all honesty and you aren't jerking someone around, then a great place to start is by reading "Whiteout: the CIA, Drugs and the Press." (do an amazon search--it's out in an inexpensive paperback.) meticulously researched from congressional testimonies and declassified documents (usually obtained only thru the freedom of info act) and newspaper articles and research done by ex-agency assets themselves, it is an immensely credible--and eye-opening--piece of work. the agency has it's *own* agenda, dumbeddown, quite divorced from the will of the american people. power currupts, after all.

so start there. (at least i did.) if you aren't willing to *at least* follow that rabbit down that hole, this isn't the site for you.

8/12/2006 02:35:00 AM  
Blogger Rasta said...

A letter D and all 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists

Lets talk about facts just for a second. I’ve heard all kind of them. From the melting point of steel, to the physics of falling building, to the centrifugal force of turning airliners. I’ve heard about various types of airplane engines, and pods, and missiles. I’ve read theories, and refutations of theories, and refutations of refutations. But after reading them all, I find that the facts are not the deciding issue for me.

The official explanation states that a small group of specially trained terrorist with a well conceived plan managed to hijack four planes. A mere 30 operatives waited, eager to attack America and when the time came, they executed their plan almost flawlessly.

Conspiracy theories are much more complicated. Even the simplest would involve the participation of hundreds of operatives, all with the evilest of intentions—to commit treason and kill innocent Americans in order to lead America in a foreign war.

My theory is called “the Whistleblower theory.” I am basically suggesting that its impossible to keep a secret. Monica Lewinsky gave Clinton a blowjob and every single American knows about it. 5 ex-CIA operatives broke into the Watergate hotel, and they got busted. Do you really think its possible that in a massive operation and cover-up involving hundreds if not thousands of people , not one person has flipped, leaked, written a suicide note, or just gotten drunk and told someone at a bar that they help perpetrate the 911 conspiracy?

Even more so, do you think that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of the neo-cons planned 911, expecting that they could possibly get away with it, knowing how many people it would take to pull it off, and that if anything went wrong in their wickedly evil and wondrously complicated plan, they would be killed for treason?

Most conspiracy theorists believe that the American Government is fundamentally racist and greedy, and that anyone who doesn’t realize this has their head in the sand and is unwilling to confront reality. Yet at the same time, I find the 911 conspiracy theories fundamentally racist and out of touch with reality.

Conspiracy theorists don’t think that terrorists could have pulled of such an attack. How could these untrained pilots manage to fly these planes into buildings? Impossible. With America’s incredible strength and intelligence, it’s impossible that these primitive Arabs could have really taken us by surprise, right? To think this way is racist because it gives no respect to Arabs intelligence, imagination, and capabilities. The mindset that “If the World Trade Center went down, we must have done it because Arabs simply aren’t capable of figuring it out” is incredibly egotistical.

Conspiracy theorists also want us to believe that Radical Islam didn’t have the will or desire to attack America. Perhaps they want us to believe that there is no such thing as Al Queda or anyone else who would plan and have the guts to attack us. Rather than believe that we were attacked, Theorists want to believe that it must have been us attacking ourselves.

But look at the list of attacks all over the world over the years. In 1981, Americans were held hostage in Tehran. In 1983, Hizbollah attacked the American Embassy in Lebanon killing 63 and wounding 130. Also in 1983, 241 Marines were killed and 81 wounded by a Hizbollah bomb. In 1993, a truck bomb went off in the parking deck of the World Trade Center. In 2000 the USS Cole was bombed. But these examples are just a few of many. Think of all the hijacked airplanes and ships. Think of the attacks in London, in Spain, in India. We are talking about dozens if not hundreds of terrorist attacks against western targets over the course of decades. Are all these conspiracies too?


I heard a story once about early astronomers drawing out star charts. When they still assumed the Earth was the center of the universe, they had no problem drawing the course of the sun and moon, but when they drew out the path of the planets, they had twisting and curling lines. A planet would go in one direction for a month and then loop back the on itself. The more they learned about the starts and planets the more convoluted their star maps looked.

Then it was suggest that the sun be placed in the center. Suddenly, their maps were filled with graceful ovals. It all just made sense. It all just depends on what’s in the center. What is our primary ideology upon which we describe our universe?

D, you theorists WANT to place American greed and imperialism at the center of the universe and completely forget about Islamic terrorism. This is convoluted thinking and will never lead anywhere. Worse, it is our enemies dream come true. You ignore the fact that they exist and spread rumors, suspicion, and hatred about the very people that are trying to protect us.

What happened on 911 was incredible. Also mysterious. Why did the buildings collapse? Why number 7? Why in their own footprints? Why did those windows blow out. What were the explosions before the buildings fell? Why? What? How? Endless questions with no satisfactory answers.

But I don’t need to answer these questions. No list of websites, films or links is going to convince me. Am I hiding myself from the ‘truth?’ I don’t think so. But I am not going to spend ten years studying to become a structural engineer so I can someday understand exactly what happened to the buildings, nor am I going to become a pilot to understand what it would take to fly jet into a building. I have to trust experts. I’ve heard from dozens of experts that say the building fell because two gigantic planes filled with jet fuel flew into them. It makes perfect sense to me that that kind of impact and damage could bring down the buildings. But regardless of the physics of falling buildings, I can either believe these experts or put them on the long and constantly growing list of conspirators.

I believe the simplest hypothesis is the correct one. Either radical Muslim fundamentalists did what they are trained and want to do, or the entire American government, army, CIA, pentagon, hundreds of witnesses and dozens of experts in a variety of fields are in on a scheme to trick us into fighting people who really have no problem with us. And not even one whistleblower. Like looking at two star maps. One makes perfect sense, and one makes no sense at all. It’s an easy choice.

Lets pretend that you read this letter and say to yourself, “Oh my God! I have been under some kind of spell! 911 really was perpetrated by terrorists and not by the American Government.” (I wonder if that is possible now… or are you in too deep? Has the paranoia of the government become so great that no matter what evidence is presented to you, it can be explained away by the evil magic that the 300 richest and most powerful me have.) OK, then what? You have to think about the repercussions of that truth. Would you suddenly understand and appreciate the Bush Doctrine and become in favor of the war in Iraq or Lebanon? Or would you reframe you thinking in such a way that you were still against the Bush Doctrine, globalization, and the war on terror, not because it is a conspiracy but because it is an incorrect political ideology? If we can agree that terrorist are responsible for 911, then what?

In the end, these conspiracy theories are a waste of you time. You could be researching real geopolitics and trying to come up with a different viable worldview. But instead of focusing the real task—finding a responsible and effective foreign policy, you spend your time under the spell of anti-American and anti-Zionist paranoia, watching the buildings collapse over and over again, each time with a different sound track, seismic reports, red circles, and yellow arrows. All of this is leading you nowhere.

I urge you to retire from the conspiracy business. I know you feel that you are after the truth and that that is the noblest goal, but really you are suffering from a debilitating case of paranoia that clouds your thinking to the point that you don’t know the difference between your friends and enemies. I have no doubt that the 911 craze will fade, just like the JFK conspiracy theories. I just hope you aren’t the last one, going down with the ship. I want you to come back to the living and discuss the real situation at hand. Your wonderful curiosity and intellect should be being used for the power of good. But I feel that you have come under the influence of a dark spirit. While our enemies relentlessly plan their next attack (since my last blog we’ve discovered that there was a plot to use liquid explosives to blow up planes over New York), you spend your time blaming the government for the last attack.

Last words: It must me very difficult after the amount of time you’ve put in to reading and writing about 911 to take a step back and say, “maybe I have gone too far down this path.” But you can still be anti-Bush and anti-globalization after you come to terms with the truth of 911. Or you can shock you family, friends, and most of all yourself, but discovering that you are a libertarian neo-con. But no matter how hard a step that is, I think you owe it to yourself to leave the theories behind and take that next, critical step. Terrorists brought down the World Trade Center. What now?


NEXT WEEK on WWW.KLEZBOX.COM

A LETTER TO THE MUSLIM WORLD

8/12/2006 08:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Oh, my. Where to begin?

Avoid the quicksand. Avoid the bait above. It's time to act and create our own realities and make them react.

The Left Gatekeepers aren't our friends.

8/12/2006 09:23:00 AM  
Anonymous dumbed down said...

jon,
Thanks for your presumptuousness,and your establishing what websites are for me. You are correct however, because this level of conspiratorial dialogue is at such an elementary level and does not address the cause or the motives. Its a multigenerational thing. Yes the cia is a rogue agency and it was from its inception as the OSS. Designed to carry on a silent revolution from the outset. The type of dialogue you are investing in is ipmortant, but it is at the 1st tier of conspiracy thought and it is the type that people newly exposed are cought up in and fed disinformation of every type. The forces that established this mechanism within the us government also control the media, dictate what goes into our history and science books and it has had full control of this government since it was bankrupted and rule by executive order began. 911 is only a current manifistation of this truth, and it is not the golden ticket to full diclosure. the powers that be could make a couple of key high profile arrest within the intelligence community or administration, impeach a president and all those at your level of understanding will think everything is ok. Keep chasin your "tale."

Oh, and this site is for insiders, wanting to be titillated by the otrocities of their fellow revolutionaries and to keep abreast of all wierdness.

Have a nice day

8/12/2006 10:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

pic of bush with talmud

of course this is bush with the talmud...it is his holy book and all of your too!

Most of you do not even know the history of our scrolls. You could not possibly only speaking english.

is it not better to just watch tv and eat fast foods?

8/12/2006 11:18:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Wow! The trolls are out tonight! The first one is poetry, maybe haiku, not sure but it’s beautiful:

Real media, such as a television, is the only way to remain informed without being maninpulated by the informational terrorist networks of the internet!

Soon, none of you will be so curious when the jihad is in your bedroom!


Jihad in my bedroom! That sounds pretty hot…nah, I don’t think my wife’ll go for it—she’s not very adventerous with sand and explosives…

But the second one, a real nebech who writes a blog called Agnostidox but calls himself “Rasta” here, while perhaps a little more ham-fisted (sorry), goes for the gusto, as Schlitz used to advise us:

D, you theorists WANT to place American greed and imperialism at the center of the universe and completely forget about Islamic terrorism. This is convoluted thinking and will never lead anywhere. Worse, it is our enemies dream come true. You ignore the fact that they exist and spread rumors, suspicion, and hatred about the very people that are trying to protect us.

The funny thing about Rasta Agnostidox’s spiel, is that it’s sort of the reverse image of Jeff’s Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11--he wants to put the coincidence genie back in the lamp (sorry for the Arabian imagery, Rasta, I know these people are trying to kill us all.) Actually, as long as I’m speaking to Rasta (who also disputes the number of Iraqi dead on his blog—go Bush go!), that’s precisely what we’d like to do: we’d very much like to “place American greed and imperialism at the center of the universe (where it fucking well belongs) and completely forget about Islamic terrorism”.

Because if we did, you see, we’d be able to keep the people you work for from carrying out their patriotic duty; you know, things like spreading “rumors, suspicion, and hatred about the very people that are trying to protect us.” You see, Rasta, we are the only ones who can “protect’ ourselves from the depredations of terror merchants and their dissembling front men, guys like you.
I know, Shrub, but I couldn’t resist—I’ve seen this guy around for a while now and he just left himself so open. Alright, no more peanuts…

8/12/2006 11:27:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

So, dumbed down, what's your secret ancient wisdom that newbies like us couldn't handle? Will you tell me if I promise to wear a seatbelt? I swear I won't go running off into the night pulling my hair out and yelling about the fnords in my ears. C'mon, tough guy: spill your beans.

(Who told this dork that 9/11 was the big secret, anyway?)

8/12/2006 11:33:00 AM  
Anonymous posterchild said...

Ok whoever Rasta is is a disinfo agent 1st class. Funny how you leave out all of the things the GOVERNMENT HAS done to us (admittedly/proven) ruby ridge, waco, etc... Then consider the fact that the only EXPERTS you see on your precious boob tube are the one's that are vetted and sanctioned BECAUSE of their conscillitory (sp?) views! I agree it would take a HUGE set to try and pull this off, but I don't think that Bush had anymore knowledge of 911 than I did. He is just a puppet, handed a script and a part and the instructions "Dance Monkey!" Dick C probably has more insight into what was happening since it was him and Rummy that wrote REX84 and PNAC calling for the catalyst of a "new" Pearl Harbor type event. This is money talking and these guys are way better at being share holders than office holders. Honestly with all the confusion going on that morning, with the drills at NORAD and CENTCOM, it sounds like most people thought it was a drill. So what keeps the CIA from training operatives to carry out such an attack? We have motive. I don't see it involving that many more people than the official story posits, however the who is more important than how. These fuckers should hang in the middle of CentPark in the good ol' Apple!

All in all most of your assumptions are very close to what I believe to be the truth, however you lose me when you refuse to see that the Governmet (any of them) has you or me in its best interest. They havent for a long time, if indeed they ever did! To suckle on that teat of Benevolent Rule is the same as upending a gallon of Antifreeze in your mouth.

We have been assaulted on every front of freedom.....and yes as you said by terrorists. Only they don't speak arabic, or live in a foreign country. To tell you the truth I would still have a hard time getting my brain around govt complicity in 911, if not for all the loss of liberty that followed. Before "someone" flew a plane into a building in NY, no american citizen would have stood for the illegal actions the gov't now engages in on a daily basis, in the War on Terror.

I tell you what lets just, for the sake of argument, leave 911 totally out of the equation. What was Iraq for? Why are we there? What good has it done the Americans that spent billions of their hard earned wages (tax rev) to fund it? All those oil profits have been allotted to Israel. Not us. So why did we give every child in Iraq a better (apple) computer than I can afford? Oh thats right for higher gas prices....how forgetful of me. Truthfully I dont even care about gas prices, I wish they were $10/gal, but thats another topic. I am just saying, dont fool us. We are the ones who pay them. If not for us then they would starve. Parasites often do this when the host is sick or dies off.

But see they know this, and the PTB now is not soveriegn to the US. There is a global movement in play, to unite all the govts into a central govt. Destroying soveriegnty and therefore the will of "the people". i.e. If they are getting tax revenue from all ppl on earth, who cares if they have to use a nuke on a country or two to quell uprising? They still get their money from everyone else.

So my final conclusion is you are a blind follower of the establishment, greedily gulping on that poisoned teat, or more likely a crafty disinfo agent (cuz I dont think anyone could be this blatantly BLINDED) Either way shove it and yuor assumptions entirely up your already reddened and completely swollen sphincter. You are already full of shit.

8/12/2006 11:54:00 AM  
Anonymous posterchild said...

Ok whoever Rasta is is a disinfo agent 1st class. Funny how you leave out all of the things the GOVERNMENT HAS done to us (admittedly/proven) ruby ridge, waco, etc... Then consider the fact that the only EXPERTS you see on your precious boob tube are the one's that are vetted and sanctioned BECAUSE of their conscillitory (sp?) views! I agree it would take a HUGE set to try and pull this off, but I don't think that Bush had anymore knowledge of 911 than I did. He is just a puppet, handed a script and a part and the instructions "Dance Monkey!" Dick C probably has more insight into what was happening since it was him and Rummy that wrote REX84 and PNAC calling for the catalyst of a "new" Pearl Harbor type event. This is money talking and these guys are way better at being share holders than office holders. Honestly with all the confusion going on that morning, with the drills at NORAD and CENTCOM, it sounds like most people thought it was a drill. So what keeps the CIA from training operatives to carry out such an attack? We have motive. I don't see it involving that many more people than the official story posits, however the who is more important than how. These fuckers should hang in the middle of CentPark in the good ol' Apple!

All in all most of your assumptions are very close to what I believe to be the truth, however you lose me when you refuse to see that the Governmet (any of them) has you or me in its best interest. They havent for a long time, if indeed they ever did! To suckle on that teat of Benevolent Rule is the same as upending a gallon of Antifreeze in your mouth.

We have been assaulted on every front of freedom.....and yes as you said by terrorists. Only they don't speak arabic, or live in a foreign country. To tell you the truth I would still have a hard time getting my brain around govt complicity in 911, if not for all the loss of liberty that followed. Before "someone" flew a plane into a building in NY, no american citizen would have stood for the illegal actions the gov't now engages in on a daily basis, in the War on Terror.

I tell you what lets just, for the sake of argument, leave 911 totally out of the equation. What was Iraq for? Why are we there? What good has it done the Americans that spent billions of their hard earned wages (tax rev) to fund it? All those oil profits have been allotted to Israel. Not us. So why did we give every child in Iraq a better (apple) computer than I can afford? Oh thats right for higher gas prices....how forgetful of me. Truthfully I dont even care about gas prices, I wish they were $10/gal, but thats another topic. I am just saying, dont fool us. We are the ones who pay them. If not for us then they would starve. Parasites often do this when the host is sick or dies off.

But see they know this, and the PTB now is not soveriegn to the US. There is a global movement in play, to unite all the govts into a central govt. Destroying soveriegnty and therefore the will of "the people". i.e. If they are getting tax revenue from all ppl on earth, who cares if they have to use a nuke on a country or two to quell uprising? They still get their money from everyone else.

So my final conclusion is you are a blind follower of the establishment, greedily gulping on that poisoned teat, or more likely a crafty disinfo agent (cuz I dont think anyone could be this blatantly BLINDED) Either way shove it and yuor assumptions entirely up your already reddened and completely swollen sphincter. You are already full of shit.

8/12/2006 12:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Auchwitz Presley said...

Jeff truly this is one of your most 'lazy' posts and shows your weakness in current analysis as opposed to your strength in hindsight.

Re sunny:why not? why assume one wave? why assume one timeline? Containment precludes more than one cell active/inactive with the same goal/task albeit with a different methodology/task.

AQ is not an organisation rather a FRANCHISE dedicated to Theocratic Terror.

Granted we live in an age of Sophistry an electronic monoculture dictated by those who read books.

The model I would put forward to you is that in order to be a good spy you would need to associate with bad people.

Re V4Vendetta read the novel.
Re OBL/CIA read Ghost Wars by Steve Coll.

Robert Fisk is correct in his analysis you have to recognise that OBL is both wealthy/educated and most importantly ARAB as opposed to Pashtun,Afghan or Pakistani.

People on this site are as guilty as the mainstream of 'StarWars' dialectics the lumping of various, different and competing sources into one homogenous block.This is not only flawed reasoning but objectively lazy.

Granted there is control in chaos and the CIA/ISI/AQ overlap is evident but pragmatism is a subset of power.

Richard thanks for the faeces analogy sometimes it sticks.Peace out!

8/12/2006 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous posterchild said...

oops x2

8/12/2006 12:15:00 PM  
Blogger sunny said...

My theory is called “the Whistleblower theory.” I am basically suggesting that its impossible to keep a secret. Monica Lewinsky gave Clinton a blowjob and every single American knows about it.

Mwaahahahah!

That old canard has worn thin. Think about it-a whistleblower trying to expose gov't complicity in 9/11 would be risking their very lives. If the criminals would spectacularly kill 3000 people in plain view, why wouldn't they kill a lone whistleblower under cover of darkness? The chances of getting media coverage for such a person's accusations are exactly nil. Chances for coverage of his death are less than that. Think of all the dead Kennedy assassination witnesses. Was anyone ever been held responsible? No. Can you get anyone in positions of power to even admit these deaths are suspicious? No.

Next, you'll be telling us we take "comfort" in believing our own government likes to kill us and strip us of our rights. Good Lord, I wish I could believe Islamic radicals hated us for our freedoms-that's more comforting than knowing our gov't hates us for our freedoms.

8/12/2006 12:33:00 PM  
Blogger sunny said...

Oh, and btw, we know about Clinton's bj because we were meant to.

8/12/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Blogger Erosoplier said...

One problem with Americans is they seem to have been conditioned to associate government with corruption. This isn't univerally the case, and hasn't always overwhelmingly been the case with America. And the only thing that will save America (and perhaps the world) is if Americans root out the corruption in their government.

David Ray Griffin is as straight as straight can be. And he knows what will save America - honesty, and a demand by the people that public institutions live up to their charters. If you're going to judge him, judge him by what he says, not by appraising the character of someone who says something about him. Listen to his talk at Wisconsin Uni - that won me over. Here are the results of a search of his name at 911Truth.org: http://www.911truth.org/search.php?query=griffin&keyType=phrase&datestart=&dateend=&topic=0&type=all&author=0&mode=search
Dip in.

8/12/2006 01:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

sunny said...
Oh, and btw, we know about Clinton's bj because we were meant to.


Exactly, Sunny. And, the same goes for Watergate. Nixon became a renegade and they shut him down without killing him, and without revealing the belly of the beast.

He has the nerve to tell us we are elementary in our knowledge and insight. Yeah, alrighty then.

8/12/2006 01:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Juno Jones said...

Oh Praise The Lord I have seen the light! I'm turning off this heathen appliance and turning on something truthful...like TV! And I will sit in it's comforting glow, humbled by the sheer benevolence of my government, and crochet Red, White and Blue dresses for toilet paper ladies to sell at the 'Junior League Craft Faire and Anti-Terrorism Drive' while watching FOX news and baking apple pies with little Amurican flags stuck in 'em, 'cause obviously this frail flower ain't got the beans to understand what big, virile, powerful men are up to or their motivations for doing so. They make me feel so safe...urgh....no not really...

8/12/2006 01:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.

Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis – and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.

Their discovery and arrest that morning is a matter of indisputable fact. To those who have investigated just what the Israelis were up to that day, the case raises one dreadful possibility: that Israeli intelligence had been shadowing the al-Qaeda hijackers as they moved from the Middle East through Europe and into America where they trained as pilots and prepared to suicide-bomb the symbolic heart of the United States. And the motive? To bind America in blood and mutual suffering to the Israeli cause.

After the attacks on New York and Washington, the former Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was asked what the terrorist strikes would mean for US-Israeli relations. He said: “It’s very good.” Then he corrected himself, adding: “Well, it’s not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy [for Israel from Americans].”

If Israel’s closest ally felt the collective pain of mass civilian deaths at the hands of terrorists, then Israel would have an unbreakable bond with the world’s only hyperpower and an effective free hand in dealing with the Palestinian terrorists who had been murdering its innocent civilians as the second intifada dragged on throughout 2001.

It’s not surprising that the New Jersey housewife who first spotted the five Israelis and their white van wants to preserve her anonymity. She’s insisted that she only be identified as Maria. A neighbour in her apartment building had called her just after the first strike on the Twin Towers. Maria grabbed a pair of binoculars and, like millions across the world, she watched the horror of the day unfold.

As she gazed at the burning towers, she noticed a group of men kneeling on the roof of a white van in her parking lot. Here’s her recollection: “They seemed to be taking a movie. They were like happy, you know ... they didn’t look shocked to me. I thought it was strange.”

Maria jotted down the van’s registration and called the police. The FBI was alerted and soon there was a statewide all points bulletin put out for the apprehension of the van and its occupants. The cops traced the number, establishing that it belonged to a company called Urban Moving.

Police Chief John Schmidig said: “We got an alert to be on the lookout for a white Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration and writing on the side. Three individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the impact. They said three people were jumping up and down.”

By 4pm on the afternoon of September 11, the van was spotted near New Jersey’s Giants stadium. A squad car pulled it over and inside were five men in their 20s. They were hustled out of the car with guns levelled at their heads and handcuffed.

In the car was $4700 in cash, a couple of foreign passports and a pair of box cutters – the concealed Stanley Knife-type blades used by the 19 hijackers who’d flown jetliners into the World Trade Centre and Pentagon just hours before. There were also fresh pictures of the men standing with the smouldering wreckage of the Twin Towers in the background. One image showed a hand flicking a lighter in front of the devastated buildings, like a fan at a pop concert. The driver of the van then told the arresting officers: “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.”

His name was Sivan Kurzberg. The other four passengers were Kurzberg’s brother Paul, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari. The men were dragged off to prison and transferred out of the custody of the FBI’s Criminal Division and into the hands of their Foreign Counterintelligence Section – the bureau’s anti-espionage squad.

A warrant was issued for a search of the Urban Moving premises in Weehawken in New Jersey. Boxes of papers and computers were removed. The FBI questioned the firm’s Israeli owner, Dominik Otto Suter, but when agents returned to re-interview him a few days later, he was gone. An employee of Urban Moving said his co-workers had laughed about the Manhattan attacks the day they happened. “I was in tears,” the man said. “These guys were joking and that bothered me. These guys were like, ‘Now America knows what we go through.’”

Vince Cannistraro, former chief of operations for counter-terrorism with the CIA, says the red flag went up among investigators when it was discovered that some of the Israelis’ names were found in a search of the national intelligence database. Cannistraro says many in the US intelligence community believed that some of the Israelis were working for Mossad and there was speculation over whether Urban Moving had been “set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists”.

This makes it clear that there was no suggestion whatsoever from within American intelligence that the Israelis were colluding with the 9/11 hijackers – simply that the possibility remains that they knew the attacks were going to happen, but effectively did nothing to help stop them.

After the owner vanished, the offices of Urban Moving looked as if they’d been closed down in a big hurry. Mobile phones were littered about, the office phones were still connected and the property of at least a dozen clients were stacked up in the warehouse. The owner had cleared out his family home in New Jersey and returned to Israel.

Two weeks after their arrest, the Israelis were still in detention, held on immigration charges. Then a judge ruled that they should be deported. But the CIA scuppered the deal and the five remained in custody for another two months. Some went into solitary confinement, all underwent two polygraph tests and at least one underwent up to seven lie detector sessions before they were eventually deported at the end of November 2001. Paul Kurzberg refused to take a lie detector test for 10 weeks, but then failed it. His lawyer said he was reluctant to take the test as he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.

Nevertheless, their lawyer, Ram Horvitz, dismissed the allegations as “stupid and ridiculous”. Yet US government sources still maintained that the Israelis were collecting information on the fundraising activities of groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Mark Regev, of the Israeli embassy in Washington, would have none of that and he said the allegations were “simply false”. The men themselves claimed they’d read about the World Trade Centre attacks on the internet, couldn’t see it from their office and went to the parking lot for a better view. Their lawyers and the embassy say their ghoulish and sinister celebrations as the Twin Towers blazed and thousands died were due to youthful foolishness.

The respected New York Jewish newspaper, The Forward, reported in March 2002, however, that it had received a briefing on the case of the five Israelis from a US official who was regularly updated by law enforcement agencies. This is what he told The Forward: “The assessment was that Urban Moving Systems was a front for the Mossad and operatives employed by it.” He added that “the conclusion of the FBI was that they were spying on local Arabs”, but the men were released because they “did not know anything about 9/11”.

Back in Israel, several of the men discussed what happened on an Israeli talk show. One of them made this remarkable comment: “The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event.” But how can you document an event unless you know it is going to happen?

We are now deep in conspiracy theory territory. But there is more than a little circumstantial evidence to show that Mossad – whose motto is “By way of deception, thou shalt do war” – was spying on Arab extremists in the USA and may have known that September 11 was in the offing, yet decided to withhold vital information from their American counterparts which could have prevented the terror attacks.

Following September 11, 2001, more than 60 Israelis were taken into custody under the Patriot Act and immigration laws. One highly placed investigator told Carl Cameron of Fox News that there were “tie-ins” between the Israelis and September 11; the hint was clearly that they’d gathered intelligence on the planned attacks but kept it to themselves.

The Fox News source refused to give details, saying: “Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.” Fox News is not noted for its condemnation of Israel; it’s a ruggedly patriotic news channel owned by Rupert Murdoch and was President Bush’s main cheerleader in the war on terror and the invasion of Iraq.

Another group of around 140 Israelis were detained prior to September 11, 2001, in the USA as part of a widespread investigation into a suspected espionage ring run by Israel inside the USA. Government documents refer to the spy ring as an “organised intelligence-gathering operation” designed to “penetrate government facilities”. Most of those arrested had served in the Israeli armed forces – but military service is compulsory in Israel. Nevertheless, a number had an intelligence background.

The first glimmerings of an Israeli spying exercise in the USA came to light in spring 2001, when the FBI sent a warning to other federal agencies alerting them to be wary of visitors calling themselves “Israeli art students” and attempting to bypass security at federal buildings in order to sell paintings. A Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) report suggested the Israeli calls “may well be an organised intelligence-gathering activity”. Law enforcement documents say that the Israelis “targeted and penetrated military bases” as well as the DEA, FBI and dozens of government facilities, including secret offices and the unlisted private homes of law enforcement and intelligence personnel.

A number of Israelis questioned by the authorities said they were students from Bezalel Academy of Art and Design, but Pnina Calpen, a spokeswoman for the Israeli school, did not recognise the names of any Israelis mentioned as studying there in the past 10 years. A federal report into the so-called art students said many had served in intelligence and electronic signal intercept units during their military service.

According to a 61-page report, drafted after an investigation by the DEA and the US immigration service, the Israelis were organised into cells of four to six people. The significance of what the Israelis were doing didn’t emerge until after September 11, 2001, when a report by a French intelligence agency noted “according to the FBI, Arab terrorists and suspected terror cells lived in Phoenix, Arizona, as well as in Miami and Hollywood, Florida, from December 2000 to April 2001 in direct proximity to the Israeli spy cells”.

The report contended that Mossad agents were spying on Mohammed Atta and Marwan al-Shehi, two of leaders of the 9/11 hijack teams. The pair had settled in Hollywood, Florida, along with three other hijackers, after leaving Hamburg – where another Mossad team was operating close by.

Hollywood in Florida is a town of just 25,000 souls. The French intelligence report says the leader of the Mossad cell in Florida rented apartments “right near the apartment of Atta and al-Shehi”. More than a third of the Israeli “art students” claimed residence in Florida. Two other Israelis connected to the art ring showed up in Fort Lauderdale. At one time, eight of the hijackers lived just north of the town.

Put together, the facts do appear to indicate that Israel knew that 9/11, or at least a large-scale terror attack, was about to take place on American soil, but did nothing to warn the USA. But that’s not quite true. In August 2001, the Israelis handed over a list of terrorist suspects – on it were the names of four of the September 11 hijackers. Significantly, however, the warning said the terrorists were planning an attack “outside the United States”.

The Israeli embassy in Washington has dismissed claims about the spying ring as “simply untrue”. The same denials have been issued repeatedly by the five Israelis seen high-fiving each other as the World Trade Centre burned in front of them.

Their lawyer, Ram Horwitz, insisted his clients were not intelligence officers. Irit Stoffer, the Israeli foreign minister, said the allegations were “completely untrue”. She said the men were arrested because of “visa violations”, adding: “The FBI investigated those cases because of 9/11.”

Jim Margolin, an FBI spokesman in New York, implied that the public would never know the truth, saying: “If we found evidence of unauthorised intelligence operations that would be classified material.” Yet, Israel has long been known, according to US administration sources, for “conducting the most aggressive espionage operations against the US of any US ally”. Seventeen years ago, Jonathan Pollard, a civilian working for the American Navy, was jailed for life for passing secrets to Israel. At first, Israel claimed Pollard was part of a rogue operation, but the government later took responsibility for his work.

It has always been a long-accepted agreement among allies – such as Britain and America or America and Israel – that neither country will jail a “friendly spy” nor shame the allied country for espionage. Chip Berlet, a senior analyst at Boston’s Political Research Associates and an expert in intelligence, says: “It’s a backdoor agreement between allies that says that if one of your spies gets caught and didn’t do too much harm, he goes home. It goes on all the time. The official reason is always visa violation.”

What we are left with, then, is fact sullied by innuendo. Certainly, it seems, Israel was spying within the borders of the United States and it is equally certain that the targets were Islamic extremists probably linked to September 11. But did Israel know in advance that the Twin Towers would be hit and the world plunged into a war without end; a war which would give Israel the power to strike its enemies almost without limit? That’s a conspiracy theory too far, perhaps. But the unpleasant feeling that, in this age of spin and secrets, we do not know the full and unadulterated truth won’t go away. Maybe we can guess, but it’s for the history books to discover and decide.

Kiss my ass trolls

8/12/2006 01:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2. Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

The Eternal Philosophy of Chaos
by Timothy Leary

For several thousand years it has seemed obvious that the basic nature of the universe is extreme complexity, inexplicable disorder; that mysterious, tangled magnificence popularly known as Chaos. The poetic Hindus believed the universe was a dreamy dance of illusion (maya).

The paradoxical, psycho-logical Buddhists spoke of a void too complex;maybe a trillion times too complex; to be grasped by the human A-B-C-1-2-3 wordprocessing system (mind).

Chinese poet-philosopher Lao Tse sardonically reminded us that the tao is forever changing complexities at light speed, elusive and inaccessible to our fingers and thumbs laboriously tapping letters on our alphanumeric keyboards and mind-operating systems.

Socrates, that proud, self-reliant Athenian democrat, indiscreetly blurted out the dangerous secret when he said, "The aim of human life is to know thy selves. "This is surely the most subversive T-shirt flaunted over the centuries by humanists, the most confrontational bumper sticker on their neuro-auto-mobiles.

Individualistic thinking is the original sin of the Judeo-Christian-lslamic bibles and sabotages attempts by the authorities to order Chaos.

The first rule of every law-and-order system is to trivialize-demonize the dangerous concepts of Self, Individual Aims, and Personal Knowledge. Thinking for Yourselves is heretical, treasonous, blasphemous. Only devils and satans do it. Creative thinking, committed out loud, becomes a capital crime. It was "Three Strikes and You're Out" for several hundred thousand Protestant dissenters during the Inquisitions of the Roman papacy;not to forget the witch burnings performed by the Protestants when they took charge of the Chaos-control department.

It was all very simple to the law-and-order controllers. There are the immortal gods and goddesses up there in that Gated Community on Olympus Drive. And then there is us; meaningless mortals, slaving around down here in the low-rent flatlands.

The concept of individuals with choice and identity seemed total folly, the ultimate nightmare;not just of authoritarian bureaucrats, but of common sense liberals. Chaos must be controlled!

The standard way to tame and domesticate the impossible complexity that surrounds us is to invent a few "tooth-fairy" gods, the more infantile the better, and to lay down a few childish rules: Honor your father and your mother, etc. The rules are simple and logical. You passively obey. You pray. You sacrifice. You work. You believe.

And then, Praise the Bored, let there be no terrorizing notions about individuals hanging around this meaningless, disordered universe trying to figure how to design themselves some individual selves.

Chaos Engineering
The first Chaos engineers may have been the Hindu sages who designed a method for operating the brain, called yoga. The Buddhists produced one of the great hands-on do-it-yourself manuals for operating the brain: The Tibetan Book of the Dying. Chinese Taoists developed the teaching of going with the flow; not clinging to idea-structures, but changing and evolving.

The message was: Be cool. Don't panic. Chaos is good. Chaos creates infinite possibilities.

The wacko Socratic idea of Do It Yourself (D.I.Y.), which created modern democracy, was a practical, common sense, sassy Athenian version of the Hindu-Buddhist-Taoist yogas. And remember where this foolishness got India, Tibet, and China ? Know Where!

The most dangerous idea is this crazed, megalomaniac notion of KNOW !

which defines the serf-human being as a thinker. Outrageous impudence ! The slave is encouraged to become a philosopher. The serf strives to be a psychologist. A potential yogic sage!

This heresy predicts why later atheist evolutionists like Linnaeus and Darwin defined our superchimp species as Femina (Homo) Sapiens Sapiens.

The Chaos Without
For centuries there existed a fanatic taboo against scientific understanding. Why ? Because of the fear of Chaos. The facts about our (apparently) insignificant place in the galactic dance are so insulting to the control freaks who try (so manfully and diligently and seriously) to manage Chaos that they forbade any intelligent attempts to look out there and dig the glorious complexity.

At one point consciousness-altering devices like the microscope and telescope were criminalized for exactly the same reasons that psychedelic plants were banned in later years. They allow us to peer into bits and zones of Chaos.

Galileo got busted and Bruno was burned at the stake for showing that the Sun did not circle the Earth. Religious and political Chaos-phobes naturally want the nice, tidy, comfy universe to cuddle around them.

In the last century science has developed technical extensions of the human sensorium that specify the truly spooky nature of the complexities we inhabit.

Stellar astronomy describes a universe of fantastic multiplicity: a hundred billion tiny star systems in our tiny galaxy, a hundred billion galaxies in our teeny universe.

The Chaos Within
In the last decades of the twentieth century, scientists began to study the complexity within the human brain.

Talk about Chaos ! It turns out that the brain is a galactic network of a hundred billion neurons. Each neuron is an information system as complex as a mainframe computer. Each neuron is connected to ten thousand other neurons. Each of us is equipped with a universe of neurocomplexity that is inscrutable to our alphanumeric minds.

This brain power is at once the most humiliating fact about our current ignorance, and the most thrilling prospect of our potential divinity; once we start learning how to operate our brains.

Humanism: The Navigational Game Plan
Chaos theory allows us to appreciate our assignment: the understanding, enjoyment, and celebration of the delightful nature of the whole universe; including the totally mad paradoxes within our brains.

Activating the so-called right brain eliminates one of the last taboos against understanding Chaos and provides a hands-on scientific basis for the philosophy of Humanism; encouraging us to team up with others to design our own personal versions of Chaos.

For the last few months I have been obsessed by the extreme complexity of everything. I cannot answer any simple question in an interview or write a page about abstract issues without revising in great detail my current viewpoints about human evolution and so on.

We don't know who, why, where, what, when we are. What a fright-mare! Ignorant, alienated agents sent on a mission with no instructions. My thrilling bewilderment about the Great Disorder (Chaos) is due, of course, to the state of senility that I have diligently earned.

Short-term memory loss means you forget exactly what's happening and why you are here. Long-term memory gain gives you the ambiguous perspective of what our cultures have come up with in the way of weird solutions to the Mystery.

What I'm talking about is Designing Chaos and Fashioning Your Personal Disorders

On Screens

With Cybernetic Tools

From Countercultural Perspectives

With Informational Chemicals (Chaos Drugs)

While DeLighting in CybErotics

As Guerrilla Artists

To Explore De-Animation Alternatives

While Surfing the Waves of Millennium Madness

to glimpse the glorious wild impossibilities and improbabilities of the century to come.

Enjoy it ! It's ours to be played with.

High-Tech Paganism
The Cyberpunk as Modern Alchemist The baby-boom generation grew up in an electronic world (1960s to 1970s) of turn-on, tune-in television and personal computing screens. The cyberpunks, growing up in the 1980s to 1990s, develop new metaphors, rituals, lifestyles for dealing with the universe of information. More and more of us are becoming fuzzy logic shamans and digital alchemists.

The parallels between the culture of the alchemists and that of cyberpunk computer adepts are numerous. Both employ knowledge of an occult arcanum unknown to the population at large, with secret symbols and words of power. The "secret symbols" compose the languages of computers and mathematics, and the "words of power" instruct computer operating systems to complete Herculean tasks.

Knowing the precise code name of a digital program permits it to be conjured into existence, transcending the labor of muscular or mechanical search. Rites of initiation or apprenticeship are common to both. "Psychic feats" of telepresence and action-at-a-distance are achieved by selection of the menu option.

Young digital alchemists have at their command tools of a clarity and power unimagined by their predecessors. Computer screens are magical mirrors, presenting alternate realities at varying degrees of abstraction on command (invocation). The mouse or pen of the digitizing tablet is the wand, controlling the fire of the CRT/monitor display and harnessing the creative force of the operator. Spinning disk drives are the pentacles, inscribed with complex symbols, earthen tablets to receive the input of "air", resulting in the crackling intellectual electricity of the processor chip circuitry programming. The RAM chips are, literally, the buffers ("buffer pools"), the water, the passive element capable only of receiving impressions and retransmitting, reflecting.

Iconic visual programming languages are a Tarot, the pictorial summarization of all possibilities, activated for divination by juxtaposition and mutual influence. It is a Periodic Table of Possibilities, the Western form of the Eastern I Ching. Traditional word-oriented programming languages; FORTRAN, COBOL, and the rest;are a degenerate primitive form of these universal systems, grimoires of profit-oriented corporations.

Detailed database logs of the activity of operating systems form the Akashic records on a microscale. At a macroscopic level, this is the "world net" knowledge base, the worldwide online hypertext network of information soon to be realized by the storage capacity of CD-ROM and the data-transmission capability of optical fiber;William Gibson's cyberspace "matrix".

Personal transmutation (the ecstasy of the "ultimate hack") is a veiled goal of both systems. The satori of harmonious human-computer communication resulting from the infinite regress into metalevels of self-reflection is the reward for immaculate conceptualization and execution of ideas.

The universality of 0 and 1 throughout magic and religion;yin and yang, yoni and lingam, cup and wand;are manifested today in digital signals, the two bits underlying the implementation of all digital programs in the world in our brains and in our operating disks. Stretching it a bit, even the monad, symbol of change and the Tao, visually resembles a superimposed 0 and 1 when its curving central line is stretched through the action of centrifugal force from the ever-increasing speed of rotation of the monad.

Cyberreligion of the Baby Boomers
By the year 2000 the concerns of the baby-boom generation will be digital or (to use the old paradigms) philosophic-spiritual.

During their teens the Boomers went on an adolescent spiritual binge unequalled since the Children's Crusade. In their revolt against the factory culture, they reinvented and updated their tribal-pagan roots and experimented with Hinduism, Buddhism, American Indianism, Magic, Witchcraft, Ann Arbor Voodoo, Esalen Yoga, I Ching, Taoism, Exorcism of the Pentagon, 3-D Re-Incarnations, Love-Ins, and Psychedelic Celebrations.

This generation, we recall, was disillusioned by the religions, politics, economics of their parents. Growing up with the threat of nuclear war, the assassination of beloved leaders; a collapsing industrial system; an impossible national debt; religious fundamentalisms (Christian-JewishIslamic), which fanatically scream hatred and intolerance; acquired immune deficiencies; and uncomprehending neglect of the ecology, they have developed a healthy skepticism about collective solutions.

No wonder the baby-boom generation has created a psychology of individual navigation. Singularity. The basic idea is self-responsibility. You just can't depend upon anyone else to solve your problems. You gotta do it all by yourself... with a little help from your friends.

A Do-lt-Yourself Religion
Since God #l appears to be held hostage back there by the bloodthirsty Persian Ayatollah, by the telegenic Polish Pope, and the Moral Majority, there's only one logical alternative. You "steer" your own course. You and your dear friends start your own religion. The Temple, of course, is your body. Your minds write the theology. And the Holy Spirit emanates from that infinitely mysterious intersection between your brain and the brains of your crew.

The attainment of even the suburbs of Paradise involves good navigation and planning on your part. Hell is a series of redeemable errors. A detour caused by failure to check the trip maps. A losing streak.

Reward yourself for making choices that lead to friendship and pleasure. Build a cybernetic cycle of positive feedback. Only from a state of free selfhood can any truly compassionate signals be sent to others.
The Administration of a Personal State
The management and piloting of a singularity leads to a very busy career. Once the individual has established herself as a religion, a country, a corporation, an information network, and a neurological universe, it is necessary to maintain personal equivalents of all the departments and operations of the bureaucracies that perform these duties.

This means forming private alliances; formulating personal political platforms; conducting one's own domestic and foreign relations; establishing trade policies, defense and security programs, educational and recreational events.

On the upside, one is free from dependence on bureaucracies, an inestimable boon. (Free agents can, of course, make temporary deals with organizations and officials thereof.) And if countries have histories and mythic origins, why shouldn't you ?

The Personal Mythology
Search and research your very own genetic memory banks, the Old Testaments of your DNA-RNA, including, if you like, past incarnations, Jungian archetypes, and funky preincarnations in any future you can imagine. Write your very own Newest Testament, remembering that voluntary martyrdom is tacky, and crucifixions, like nuclear war, can ruin your day.

You and your friends can do anything that the great religions and empires and racial groups have done in the name of their god. And you're certain to do it better becauseƒ well, look at their track records. There's no way your Personal State could produce the persecutions and massacres and bigotries of the past and present. There's only one of you, and even with the help of your friends the amount of damage individuals can do is insignificant compared with that of a collective.

Besides, you're children of the sixties and nineties. You're imprinted to want a peaceful, tolerant, funny world. You can choose your gods to be smart, funny compassionate, cute, and goofy.

"Irreverence" Is a Password for the Twenty-First Century
Human society has now reached a turning point in the operation of the digital programs of evolution, a point at which the next evolutionary steps of the species become apparent to us, to surf at will.

In the near future, the methods of information technology, molecular engineering, biotechnology, nanotechnology (atom stacking), and quantum-digital programming could make the human form a matter totally determined by individual whim, style, and seasonal choice.

The sanctity of our body image, along with the irrational taboos about sex and death, seems to be one of the most persistent anachronisms of industrial-age thought. The human being of the future may be a biocomputer hybrid of any desired form, or an "electronic entity" in the digital info-universe.

Human as program. Or human in programs.

The electronic life form of "human in programs" is more alien to our current concepts of humanity. Through storage of one's belief systems as data structures online, and driven by desired programs, one's neuronal apparatus could operate in silicon basically as it did in the meatware of the brain, though faster, more predictably, more self-mutably, and, if desired, immortally.

Intelligent posthumanists will not only store themselves electronically, but may do so in the form of a "computer virus," capable of traversing computer networks and of self-replication as a guard against accidental or malicious erasure.

"What's on this CD ?"

"Ah, that's just boring, adolescent Leary. Let's go ahead and reformat it."

One speculation is that such viral human forms might already inhabit our computer systems. Cleverly designed, they would be very difficult if not theoretically impossible to detect. Current programs do not permit matching the real-time operation speed and parallel complexity of conventional brains. But time scale of operation is subjective and irrelevant, except for the purposes of interface.

Of course, there is no reason to restrict one's manifestation to a particular form. With ever-loosening physical constraints (through perhaps inescapable economic constraints), one will be able to assume any desired form.

Given the ease of copying computer-stored information, it should be possible to exist simultaneously in many forms. Running independently and cloned at each branch point, intelligence would persist in each of these forms. Where the "I's" are in this situation is a matter for high-tech pagans and digital philosophers.


DEFCON 1
WANT TO PLAY A GAME?

8/12/2006 02:18:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

this site is *especially* not for you then, DUMBed, with your primo security clearence pass. i suspected you were an ass-wipe when we got the "mommy, what's 9-11?" bullshit... oh well, pick up the book though: you could stand to do some reading and less trolling.

aushwitz: "ghost wars" has merit, but he, like fisk, have one purpose: to prop up the sagging theory of OBL as criminal mastermind who never worked for or with *any* US agency. besides, i accuse both for whitewashing the bush connections in this old tale: from the ex-director-cum-VP who unconditionally supported the woefully misnamed "charlie wilson's war" to junior who invited the taliban to texas in the 90s....

8/12/2006 03:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dumbed down said...
"John,

The talmud is a religous book with subscribers of all races.

where is the racism?"

Have you actually READ the Talmud?

If not, then by all means, read it.

It says that all goyim, non-Jews, are "cattle," fit for slaughter, and that murdering them is perfectly okay.

It also says that it is every Jew's duty to lie to, cheat, and steal from the "goyim."

That is what passes for "scriptural law".

Read it.

8/12/2006 03:38:00 PM  
Blogger blogbart said...

starroute and Shrubageddon:

Your peception that everyone and their dog are talking up 9/11 truth is an artifact due to the fact that you are just now seeing them.

its not that you weren't looking, but they just weren't visible to you before now.

No doubt disinfo and, "he says, she says" type of message fragmentation, results from the cacaphony but a threshold of plausibility has long since been crossed.

The core message of all voices, at a minimum, is plausible doubt of the "official story".

This demands the "official story" be reinvestigated. After this will we see which of the many speculations become fact.

8/12/2006 04:43:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

So Anony,
If I promise I'm not a troll, does that mean I get to comment on your post, or is your received wisdom entirely sacrosanct? Here's my question: how do you know what you think you know? For example, when you write (or whoever originally wrote this):

The first glimmerings of an Israeli spying exercise in the USA came to light in spring 2001, when the FBI sent a warning to other federal agencies alerting them to be wary...

how exactly did these "glimmerings" come to light? We can safely assume that the FBI would never stoop to "making things known" for purposes of deception or...? Is it conceivable that the detectives over at Rense have been spoon-fed, or? Oh wait, you're probably that very certain anonymous poster who doesn't like having his certainties questioned, right? (Sorry to intrude upon your certitude again; it's just so inviting, you know?)

8/12/2006 04:45:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

I know I'm not as bright or nearly as literate as most of you but I have insight. Leary is wrong. Drugs created his chaos. The universe is "ordered" and the timelines are superstrings just waiting for the first plucker to take a run at the real world.

The well meaning but slightly out of "reality" touch, spend their waking moments plucking the strings of 911 et al. You are hardening the timeline. You have chosen to interweave your spirit into the only reality that will destroy us all. I'm not implying that you or "we" ignore "them". See reality for what it is. This is a battle for "above the fold". If you think loosing toothpaste is an issue, than you have been following the wrong timeline. You shouldn't be using toothpaste at all. Flouride is toxic and the most absorbtive and reactive chemical in the periodic table bar none. No; You can't find toothpaste without flouride anymore and the stuff blocks your cosmic communication centre. Send a message. Travel light. A toothbrush is all you will ever need.

To reiterate... The Universe is not a chaos system. Cosmic consciousness is a battle for "above the fold". We are looking at this latest volley because "our message" delivered here by many is outed. The momentum is with us and the truth is a double edged sword.

8/12/2006 04:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Suspicious Activities Involving Israeli Art Students at DEA Facilities

Drug Enforcement Administration Office of Security
June, 2001

Backgound:

In January, 2001, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Office of Security Programs (IS), began to receive reports of Israeli art students attempting to penetrate several DEA Field Offices in the continental United States. Additionally, there have been reports of Israeli art students visiting the homes of numerous DEA employees. These incidents have occurred since at least the beginning of 2000, and have continued to the present. The number of reported incidents increased in November/December 2000, and has continued to date. These incidents have involved several other law enforcement and Department of Defense agencies, with contacts made at other agencies' facilities and the residences of their employees. Geographically, these incidents are very widespread, ranging from California to Florida. The majority of the incidents have occurred in the southern half of the continental U.S. with the most activity reported in the state of Florida. Since April 2001, the number of reported incidents has declined, however, the geographic spread of the incidents has increased to Wisconsin, Oklahoma, and Los Angeles.

The activities of these Israeli art students raised the suspicion of IS and other field offices when attempts were made to circumvent the access control systems at DEA offices, and when these individuals began to solicit their paintings at the homes of DEA employees. The nature of the individuals' conduct, combined with intelligence information and historical information regarding past incidents involving Israeli Organized Crime, leads IS to believe the incidents may well be an organized intelligence gathering activity. It is believed by IS that these incidents should not be the basis for any immediate concern for the safety and security of DEA personnel, however, employees should continue to exercise due caution in safeguarding information relating to DEA investigations, or activities.

DEA Orlando has developed the first drug nexus to this group. Telephone numbers obtained from an Israel Art Student encountered at the Orlando D.O. have been linked to several ongoing DEA MDMA (Ecstasy) investigations in Florida, California, Texas, and New York. The Orlando D.O. has opened an investigation that is being coordinated with DEA HQs.

In general, these individuals appear to be organized in teams of 8 to 10 people, with one person described as the "Team Leader". They are usually encountered in pairs or individually carrying a makeshift art portfolio. Several times, they have, been seen or admitted to being dropped off in an area by the Team Leader, who returns later to pick them up. The females are usually described as very attractive, and all are generally in their early to mid-20s. Most admit to having served in the Israeli Military. This is not surprising given the mandatory military service require in Israel, however, a majority of those questioned has stated they served in military intelligence, electronic signal intercept, or explosive ordinance units. Some have been linked to high-ranking officials in the Israeli military. One was the son of a two-star general, one served as the bodyguard to the head of the Israeli Army, one served in a Patriot missile unit. That these people are now traveling in the U.S. selling art seems not to fit their background.

Their stories are remarkable only in their consistency. At first, they will state that they are art students, either from the University of Jerusalem, or the Bezalel Academy of Arts in Jerusalem. Other times they will purport to be promoting a new art studio in the area. When pressed for details as to the location of the art studio or why they are selling the paintings, they become evasive. Some claim to be the artist who painted the artwork, others claim they promoting the work of others or of Israel. Information has been received which indicates the art is actually produced in China. When told that they cannot solicit on federal facilities, they will claim that the paintings are not for sale, but that they are soliciting interest in the paintings, either for an art studio or for a future art sale.

An incident report by DEA Tampa has revealed much information relating to these individuals. DEA Agents at the Tampa District Office questioned the Team Leader of a group of 9 individuals at length, The Team Leader stated he purchases the paintings for $8 to $10 dollars from an individual in the Hollywood/Ft. Lauderdale, Florida area. The paintings are then sold for $50 to $80 dollars. (Other offices have reported the paintings selling for $150-$200 dollars.) The individuals come to the U. S. on tourist visas, and finance their stay here by selling the paintings. The Hollywood, Florida area seems to be a central point for these individuals with several having addresses in this area.

There have been incidents where criminal and/or suspicious activity has been associated with these individuals. Two were arrested by FPS in Plantation, FL with counterfeit Social Security Cards. Baton Rouge, LA discovered a small amount (personal use amount) of marijuana in the residence of one group, and some of the individuals interviewed by DEA/Tampa admitted to smoking marijuana. Criminal records checks have revealed some arrest history on persons associated with these groups. Passport irregularities have been reported. A review of their passports shows travel to several other countries, to include Thailand, Laos, India, Kenya, Central and South America, Australia, Germany, Amsterdam, and Canada. One individual presented a Canadian citizenship card along with his Israeli passport. A report from EPA/Denver involved a female art student going to the house of an EPA Special Agent to sell art, and returning later to photograph the house. There is a report of one of these individuals being seen diagramming the layout of a federal facility. This information has not been directly reported to DEA, and has not been confirmed by first-hand observation.

When encountered at residences, some of these individuals are persistent in trying to get inside the home. Some have asked to use the telephone when leaving. Some employees have reported that they came only to their house, while others have reported that the students approached the entire neighborhood.

IS requested that all DEA Field Divisions canvas their employees to determine if these activities have occurred in their area. Additionally, information has been received from several other federal law enforcement acencies. The following is a summary, by DEA Division Offices, of the events that have taken place:

Atlanta Division

1. Sometime in July or August 2000, a woman claiming to be a student from a foreign country attempted to enter the Chattanooga, Tennessee Resident Office. The woman was attempting to sell homemade pins that she hand painted and put together herself. An Office Assistant advised the woman that she was on Federal Property and solicitation was prohibited. The Office Assistant claimed the woman was from the Middle East, but cannot recall the exact location.

2. In mid to late December 2000, a male and female subject described as being in their mid-twentles arrived at the residence of a Special Agent. The male subject spoke fluent English, however the female subject had a heavy accent. Both subjects claimed to be Israeli art students. The Special Agent examined some of the artwork, but became suspicious when the students would not provide him with a contact telephone number in case he should decide to buy something. Subsequently, the Special Agent saw some of the exact same artwork for sale at kiosk in the Mall of Georgia. The Special Agent questioned the salesperson about the origin of the artwork, but the salesperson was uncooperative.

3. During the first week of January 2001, an individual identifying himself as an Israeli art student attempted to bring artwork into the Columbus, Georgia Resident Office. The individual was not permitted to enter the office.

4. The following was received by the Montgomery, Alabama District Office:

On 3/27/2001, approximately 1:45 p.m., Montgomery District Office Group Supervisor John W. Wall was exiting the elevator on the first floor of our building enroute to a meeting. Our building is a small two-story office building that also contains the offices of the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, U.S. Geological Survey, Dyncorp and a small investment company (Newman Investments). As G/S Wall got out of the elevator, a white female was getting on. G/S Wall noticed she was carrying a large blue artist portfolio. GIS Wall [not redacted] engaged her in conversation and asked if she was in our building on government business to which the female stated that she was an art student from Austria and was promoting her work. G/S Wall asked if she was actually from Israel and the female later identified as Vanina Erika DARDIC, DOB 3/5/78, stated again that she was from Austria. DARDIC got on the elevator for the second floor and G/S Wall went to his OGV and notified me with instructions to re-interview the female.

5. Several minutes passed and DARDIC never came to our office. (Investigation later revealed that DARDIC did not visit any of the offices in our buildling. Moments later an administrative assistant observed DARDIC walking through the parking lot in the direction of other buildings.

6. At that point, agents set out on foot to find DARDIC. The agents observed another white female later identified as Ester SAGES, DOB 9/30/77, walking through the office complex, also carrying a large blue portfolio. SAGES was followed on foot a short distance to a van that was parked on a side road where the agents made contact with a white male, identifitd as Marcelo VALANSI, DOB 11/24/77. VALANSI took SAGES' portfolio and placed it into the van, a 1984 GMC full-size custom van bearing Florida tag T11YZX, registered to Marcelo VALANSI at 901 SE 1st Ave., #2, Gainesville, Florida.

7. The agents approached SAGES and VALANSI, identified themselves and separated the two for interviews. VALANSI stated that he was an art student at the University of Florida and stated that they were traveling around to "'promote" the work of new artists. Information revealed that VALANSI was registered at Santa Fe Community College in 1999 and not the University of Florida. VALANSI produced an ID card from Argentina, DNI 26,316,660, card #190961, and stated that he was on spring break from the University of Florida where he has been a student for three years. VALANSI stated his passport was in his hotel room at the Governor's House Hotel, #180. VALANSI stated that he and approximately five other students had been in Montgomery about two days and planned to stay several more.

8. Ester SAGES produced an Israeli passport, #6470399, and stated that she had been in the U.S. approximately 3 weeks (Visa type R, class B1/B2). SAGES claimed to be an artist but does not attend school anywhere. SAGES admitted to having served in the Israeli Army for two years (mandatory service). SAGES identified her father as Elyahu SAGES (deceased) and her mother as Marjalit SAGES. SAGES gave the same story as being in Montgomery to "promote" the artists work.

9. While talking to VALANSI and SAGES, Vanina DARDIC walked up and was interviewed. DARDIC, provided an ID card from Argentina (DNI 26,473,227, card #J8557), but stated that she had dual citizenship (Argentina and Israel). DARDIC stated that she was born in Argentina to an Argentine father, Mario DARDIC, and an Israeli mother, Judith COHEN (maiden name). She moved to Israel when she was 12 years of age and served in the Israeli Army, DARDIC reported that she is the girlfriend of Marcelo VALANSI. DARDIC spoke English, Hebrew and Spanish. SAGES spoke English and, Hebrew. VALANSI spoke English and Spanish.

10. VALANSI was asked if the artwork was for sale, to which he stated "not really" that they were "promoting" their work and that it is important to artists that people like their work. VALANSI was asked if, hypothetically, someone liked his work and wanted to commission him to paint something, how would someone get in contact with him? VALANSI was very hesitant to provide a means of contact. When pressed, VALANSI provided Gainesville telephone #352-378-1435 as a contact nurniber. He was asked how their group could afford to travel around "promoting" artwork if they derive no income from it. He stated that his parents, Roberto and Graziela VALANSI finance his travels. The parent's address in Buenos Aires is reportedly Salguero 2468 Apartment 15.

11. Ester SAGES stated that one of their stops inMontgomery was going to be the Jewish Fcderation Office which is located adjacent to where their van was parked (2820 Fairlane Dr., Montgomery, telephone #334-277-5820). All of the subjects were photographed, however SAGES initially did not want her picture taken.

12. EPIC was contacted for information on their entries into the U.S. EPIC queries indicated the following:

VALANSI, Marcelo (Argentina passport #26316660)

1). Admission date: 2/01/2001
Admission Class: F1 (Student)
Port of Entry: Miami, FL
Arrival from: Tel Aviv Israel
Visa Issued: Buenos Aires (8/20/98)
Carrier: Al Israel Airlines (flt 201)
Intended address: 901 S.E. 1st Ave., Gainesville, FL

2). Admission date: 10/18/00
Admission to: 1/17/01
Admission Class: CP (Public Interest Parole)
Port of Entry: Miami, FL
Arrival from: unk (most likely Columbia)
Carrier: Avianca (flt 8)
Intended address: 901 S.E. 1st Ave., Gainesville, FL
Departure date: 12/28/00 from Miami

3). Admission date: 11/12/99
Admission Class: WT/VW (Visitor w/o Visa)
Port of Entry: Miami, FL
Arrival from: Santiago, Chile
Carrier: La Lan Chile (flt 500)
Intended address: 901 S.E. 1st Ave., Gainesville, FL
Departure date: unk

4). Admission date: 04/15/99
Port of Entry: Miami, FL
Arrival from: San Jose (Juan Santamari)
Carrier: LACSA (flt 620)
Departure clate: unk

5). Admission date: 01/11/99
Admission Class: F1 (Student)
Port of Entry: Marmi, FL
Arrival from: unk
Carrier: La Lan Chile (flt 500)
Intended address: 901 S.E. 1st Ave., Gainesville, FL
Departure date: unk

6). Admission date: 9/23/98
Admitted to: 12/31/98
Admission Class: Fl (Student)
Port of Entry: Miami, FL
Arrival from: unk
Carrier: A L Argentina (flt 1324)
Intended address: 617 E. University Ave., Gainesville, FL
Departure date: 12/19/98

7). Admission date: 05/04/98
Admitted to: 11/03/98
Admission Class: B2 (Visitor)
Port of Entry: Miami, FL
Arrival from: Unk
Visa issued: Buenos Aires 5/11/90
Carrier: E U Empresa Ecuatoriana (flt 800)
Intended address: 617 E. University Ave., Gainesville, FL
Departure date: 08/10/98

8). Admission date: 1/02/97
Admitted to: 7/01/98
Admission Class: B2 (Visitor)
Port of Entry: Maini, FL
Arrival from: unk
Visa issued: Buenos Aires 5/11/90
Carrier: La Lan Chile (flt 502)
Intended address: 143 6 Washington Ave., Miami, FL
Departure date: 03/13/98

13. SAGES, Ester (Israel passport 96470399)

1). Admission date: 3/03/01
Admission Class: B2 (Visitor)
Port of Entry: Newark International
Arrival from: Tel Aviv Israel
Carrier: Continental Airlines (flt 91)

2). Admission date: 12/23/99
Admitted to: 6/22/00
Admission Class: B2 (Visitor)
Port of Entry: Newark, N.J.
Arrival from: Tel Aviv Israel
Carrier: El Al Israel
Intended address: Attornet 161, New York City, New York
Departure date: 01/09/00

3). Admission date: 08/24/95
Admitted to: 2/23/96
Admission Class: B2 (Vishor)
Port of Entry: New York
Arrival from: Tel Aviv Israel
Visa issued: Buenos Aires 5/11/90
Carrier: El Al Israel
Intended address: Hotel Carlton, New York City, New York
Departure date: 9/20/95

14. DARDIC, Vanina Erika (Argentina passport #10581811)

1.) Admission date: 2/01/01
Port of Entry: Miami, FL
Arrival from: London (Gatwick Int'l)
Visa issued: Buenos Aires 5/11/90
Carrier: Virgin Atlantic Airlines (flt 5)

2). Admission date: 10/18/00
Admission Class: CP (Public Interest Parole)
Port of Entry: Mami, FL
Arrival from.: Bogota, Columbia
Visa issued: Buenos Aires 5/11/90
Carrier: Avianca (flt 8)
Intended address: 901 S.E. 1st. Ave., Gainesville, FL
Departure date: 12/25/00

3). Admission date: 12/23/99
Port of Entry: New York
Carrier: Tower Air (flt 31)
(no further info)

15. Regarding the groups story as art students, specifically VALANSI stating that he is a student at the University of Florida out on springbreak, RAC Dick McEnany, Gainesville R.O. inquired as to VALANSI's status as a student. RAC McEnany advised that VALANSI was last registered in the spring of 1999. RAC McEnany also stated that spring break was already over for this year.

16. It is noted that in addition to the three subjects contacted, another group of three alleged art students were documented workin another office complex on Perry Hill Road (Interstate Park) in Montgomery on the same day (3/27/2001). This group is known to have solicited several offices in that complex which are Department of Defense contractors (Maxwell Air Force Base is in Montgomery). Montgomery FBI agents made contact with that group at their hotel (La Quinta Inn) and identified them.

17. The local FBI office was contacted and provided with this information for follow-up as necessary. The FBI POC RAC Sharon Ormsby.

Boston Division

18. There have been no reports of suspicious activities by Israeli art students occurring, at DEA facilities or at the residences of any DEA Employee under the Boston Division.

Caribbean Division

No response,

Chicago Division

20. On or around June 26, 2000, a male and female claiming they were Israeli art students, visited the home of a Diversion Investigator, The male was described as Caucasian, 5'8", 160 lbs., dark brown hair, clean-shaven, brown eyes, and early 20's. The female was described as 5'6", 160 lbs., long curly dark brown hair with blonde highlights, early 20's. The students left the residence without incident.

21. On or around June 30, 2000, a second set of Israeli art students arrived at the home of the same Diversion Investigator. These students were confrontational when asked to leave and the police were called (16th District Chicago Police Dept.). The male was described as 5'6", 150 lbs., slim build, dark skin, no facial hair, very dark hair, early 20's. The female was described as 5'8", slim build, brown shoulder length hair, and early 20's. They did approach other homes in the Diversion Investigator's neighborhood. The Israeli students were seen entering a Chevy Astro van, steel gray in color, with darkened windows.

Dallas Division

22. On January 4, 2001, SPI Contract Guard William Armstrong purchased a painting for $200.00 from an Israeli art student.. The transaction took place outside of the Dallas Divisional Office. Mr. Armstrong wrote a check payable to a Gal BLAIN.

23. Sometime in January 2001, a male claiming to be an Israeli art student selling paintings visited the home of a DEA Intelligence Analyst and OPR Senior Inspector. The male was described as Caucasian, in his mid twenties. The DEA employees did not purchase any artwork.

24. On February 5, 2001, Security Guard Armstrong observed an individual matching the descriptions of the Israeli art student enter an office building directly East of the Dallas Divisional Office. Mr. Armstrong notified the Federal Protective Service Officers. The FPS Officers responded to the location, located the individual, and conducted an interview. The Israeli art student claimed he was selling paintings. NADDIS EPIC, INS Soundex, and state system checks were conducted for the above individual, with negative results.

25. As of March 26, 2001, local law enforcement continued to encounter Israeli Nationals, either alone or in groups, selling artwork in the Dallas area. The Israelis appeared to be organized and structured, with the lower level consisting of the artwork sellers while the next level consists of the drivers. The hierarchy above the drivers remains undefined. Many of the art sellers claim to be studerts of a Jerusalem art school, and several appear to have had prior Israeli military experience. A standard method of operation is for a driver to drop off three or four salespersons in an area, returning several hours later for pickup. Bank checks found in the possession of several of the students suggest that the artwork sells for between $50.00 and $150.00.

26. Several local law enforcement agencies have provided information to the DEA Dallas office pertaining to recent encounters. On January 2, 2001, an 6fficer of the Euless Police Department sighted a 1995 Chevy Van, white, California plate 3HXN005, parked with back doors opened behind a small office complex that was closed due to the Christmas/New Year holidays. The officer's initial inspection showed five persons present and that the rear of the van was filled with 40 to 50 framed artwork. Neither the frames nor the artwork appeared to be high quality, per the officer. The officer noted that the van and subjects were stopped in a non-residential area that consisted of a golf course, a chemical company and a storage facility for a defense contractor. When questioned, the subjects indicated they were selling paintings in the area, but were evasive in answering questions thereafter. For example, several subjects stated they were staying in Irving, Texas, but were not sure exactly where. The subjects were warned on the scene for selling paintings without a permit, and released. Although all five subjects possessed passports, only name and DOB information was recorded for each. All subjects were negative in law enforcement indices. The five subjects were identified as:

Gilad LIFSHITZ, W/M, DOB 09/17/1973 (Note: Lifshitz was the vehicle driver)
Betzalel YANAY, W/M, DOB 09/04/1978
Morin Miryam BITON, W/F, DOB 07/14/1980
Daria SASSON, W/F, DOB 08/10/1980
Keren TOUYZ, W/F, DOB 08/20/1978

27. At the time of the encounter Gilad LIFSHITZ, the driver of the van, was in possession of a Florida driver's license, number L123-280-78-337-0, that showed a DOB of 09/17/1978, and an address of 19115 Collins Ave # 102, Sunny Isles Beach, F1 33160. Sunny Isles Beach is in the Miami area. Perhaps coincidentally, per DEA's Office of Security Programs, two Israelis previously encountered in Miami were in possession of counterfeit US Social Security Cards. The cards were reportedly obtained in Miami from an unidentified person who was selling the cards near a Florida driver's license office.

28. As previously reported, LIFSHITZ was driving a 1995 Chevy Van with California plate 3HXN005. A California registration check showed that this van, VIN 1GAHG39K5SF112662, was apparently sold to B I Auto Inc, 31861, 854 Ackerman Dr, Danville, California, circa August 30, 2000. A check of vin 1GAHG39K5SF112662 showed that it is associated with a 1995 Chev/Spt owned by Gilad LIFSHITZ of 7535 N. Beltline Rd, Apt 316, Irving, Texas 75062. (Note: this may be the Irving address referred to by the Israeli art students). (ISP Note: Michael CALMANOVIC, identified by I&NS Dallas and arrested on Marcy 28, 2001, rented at least 5 apartments in the Irving, TX area, and used a mail drop located at 3575 N. Beltline Road, Irving, TX.) Current vehicle tag is TX/86YYF, title date is 02/10/2001, expiration date is 01/2002. The previous owner is listed as Noam TZOR. What, if any, relationship there may be between TZOR and B I Auto Iac is unknown.

29. In a separate but related matter, on March 16, 2001, the same officer from the Euless PD encountered Sharon ROTEM, aka Sharone, an Israeli art student, at a Kentucky Fried Chicken on Euless Blvd in Euless, Texas. ROTEM was described as a white male, DOB 031277, passport number 7948317, street address: 6023 Moshe Dayan, Holon, Israel. ROTEM claimed association with a Jerusalem art school and had approximately 20 paintings in his possession. The officer noted that ROTEM was an Israeli citizen who was selling "artwork" without a permit, and issued a warning. During the interview, ROTEM stated he was with two others and they were going to be picked up at 17:00 that afternoon. The pickup location was unspecified. ROTEM informed the officer that he (ROTEM) was out of the Israeli military and was doing "Good Deed" work. ROTEM also stated that he was staying in Irving, but didn't know where or the name of the hotel, and that he was going to drive to Austin Texas, later that day. ROTEM was negative in law enforcement indices. In ROTEM's possession were several airline tickets, as follows:

-9th of March: Continental Flight 91 from Tel Aviv to Newark, NJ.

-10th of March: Continental Flight 1133 from Newark, NJ to Dallas, TX. This ticket shows a return to Newark on May l4th via Continent al Flight 1138.

-Continental Flight 90 to Tel Aviv.

30. Sandwiched between the two Euless incidents was an incident in Richardson, Texas. Per a Richardson Police Department report, on March 15, 2001, officers were dispatched in reference to two females soliciting artwork. Once located, the subjects were identified via their Israeli passports as Maya MAIMON and Nofar BADIHI. Both subjects were arrested for soliciting without a city permit. Prior to being interviewed by police officers, an unidentified male called the jail to inquire about the two female subjects. The U/I male was told he could come to the station to get further information. Two subjects arrived and were identified as Gadi REGEV and Eyal ARTZI (Texas DL number 19554509). A conversation regarding bond and visitation issues ensued, after which the males left. During a search of the two female suspects' property, several checks were found. Most were filled in with the amount and signature, but the payee blank was void. Also during the search of MAIMON's purse a prescription of cloriazepam prescribed to Marco FERNANDEZ was found. It was determined that FERNANDEZ was MAIMON's boyfriend. Fourteen checks, the prescription, and $130 dollars cash were placed in property as evidence. The paintings that the suspects were selling were also impounded.

31. Maya MAIMON was in possession of documentation showing her passport number as 5467894, US B1/B2 visa, DOB 26Dec1978, Nationality Israel, Issue Date: 18Oct2000, Expiration Date: 15Oct2010.

32. Nofar BADIHI was in possession of documentation showing her passport number as 5640993, DOB 21/03/1979 (sic), Place of Birth: Israel, date of issue: 05/12/1993; date of expiry (sic): 04/12/1995; US Visa B1/B2, issue date: 05Ju11996, Expiry Date: 02Jul2006.

33. Among the various documents were airline tickets reflecting the travel of Maya MAIMON and Marco MARABOTTO from DFW airport to Albuquerque, NM, via Delta flight 2238, on March 24, 2001. Each ticket also reflected Delta flight 1944 from Las Vegas to DFW on April 1, 2001.

34. Additional documents showed Marco FERNANDEZ's to be the same as Marco Antonio FERNANDEZ De Castro Marabotto, DOB 13Apr1977, passport number 99390039611, Issuing State: Mexico; place of birth: Mexico, date of issue 16Jul1999, expiration date: 16Jul2000.

36. Gadi REGEV was described as DOB: 17Dec1975, Nationality: Israel, passport number 5454338, visa type: B1/B2, issuing post: Tel Aviv, issue date: 05Nov1998, expiration date: 04Nov2008.

37. Eyal ARTZI's driver's license shows DL # 19554509, DOB 05-27-1977, address: 10334 Sandra Lynn Dr., Dallas, TX 75228, and an expiration date of. 06-27-07. A commercial database shows that ARTZI is the owner of a 1993 Plymouth Acclaim, Texas plate: J75FYB, date registered 08/21/2000, expiration date: 07/31/2001.

38. Another incident involved an Israeli art student who attempted to sell paintings at the residence of S/A Michael Durr in Flower Mound, Texas, on March 25, 2001 at approximately 17:30. S/A Durr was slightly delayed and when he opened the door the art student had already departed and was approaching another house. S/A Durr called the Flower Mound police department, which responded. The art student was identified as David SUSI, W/M, DOB 01/09/1975, who was staying at an unspecified location in Irving, Texas. The student was not detained.

Role Name Desc DOB PP/DL# Visa Sgtd Nad

Driver Gilad Lifshitz W/M 09/17/1978 FLDL#L123-280-78-337-0 Euless Neg

Seller Betzalel Yanay W/M 09/04/1978 Euless Neg

Seller Morin Miryara

Biton W/F 07/14/1980 Euless Neg

Seller Dana Sasson W/F 08/10/1980 Euless Neg

Role Name Desc DOB PP/DL Visa Sgtd Nad

Seller Keren Touyz W/F 08/20/1978 Euless Neg

Seller Sharon Rotcrn W/M 08/12/1977 PP#7948317 Euless Neg

Seller Maya Maimon W/F 12/26/1978 PP#5467894 Bl/B2 Richardson Neg

Seller Nofar Badihi W/F 21/03/1979(sic) PP#5640993 Bl/B2 Richardson Neg

Unk Gadi Regev U/M 12/17/1975 PP#5454338 Bl/B2 Richardson Neg

Unk Eyal Artzi U/M 05/27/1977 TXDL#19554509 Richardson Neg

Unk Marco Fernandez U/M 04/13/1977 PP#99390039611 Richardson Neg

Note: Maya's Boyfriend

Seller David Susi W/M 01/09/1975 Flower

Mound Neg

Dallas I&NS Investigative Reports

(The following is information received by ISP from I&NS Special Agent George Putnam, Dallas, TX. This information is gleaned from I&NS reports, and is consolidated for this paper.)

39. On March 22, 2001, I&NS Dallas received a request from FPS Dallas S/A's Ellison and Stokes to assist in an investigation regarding Israeli art students. On March 26, 2001, agents went to the Oak Hills Apartment Complex in Irving, Texas to conduct interviews of Israeli nationals staying at those apartments. At approximately 11:30 pm, agents arrested Dahan ELDAD, an Israeli male, and Elsa Beatriz AFRICANO-Leon, a Colombia female at apartment 4228. ELDAD and AFRICANO were proceeding toward apartment # 173, where four Israeli nationals were in custody. ELDAD and AFRICANO were found to be nonimmigrant aliens in violation of their status, and placed under arrest by S/A Martini and Olivarez. A search of their apartment revealed a small amount of marijuana and a "bong" Additionally, checks in the amount of $150.00 (2)and $560.00, with the notation "For Paintings" were found in his possession.

40. At approximately 1:26 am on 3/27/01, S/A's arrested Eran LIVNI, an Israeli male, Aran OFEK, and Israeli male, and Michal GAL, DOB 8/10/79, POB: Afula Israel, I&NS #A75-894-941, an Israel female in apartment 216. OFEK and GAL were recognizedby FPS S/A Stokes as having been interviewed by FPS subsequent to attempting to sell paintings at the DEA Dallas F.D. on Regal Row. LIVNI admitted to the S/A's he had engaged in attempting to sell art. Also present in apartment 216 were Noam GAVRIEL an Israeli national, and Netta Kritzman, a U.S. citizen. Personal belongings were retrieved from apartment #259 for OFEK and GAL. Three other Israeli nationals were encountered in apartment 9259, however, they were not found to be in violation of I&NS status and not arrested (nor identified in the report).

41. Aran OFEK stated that his father was a retired two-star general in the Israeli Army. (NFI). (ISP note: Israel recently launched its 5th spy satellite, identified as the OFEK 5. It is unknown if the name of the satellite and these persons is related.)

42. Michal GAL was subsequently held on a $10,000 cash bond. The bond was placed by Ophir BAER, DOB: 11-11-56, an Israeli male on a nonimmigrant H1B1 class visa. BAER was petitioned to work in the U.S. by AMDOCS, Inc. on Sept. 7, 1999, which was valid from Dec 10, 1999 to Sept 30, 2002. The visa was issued in Tel Aviv. BAER listed his address as 7845 La Cabeza Drive, Dallas, TX 75248 with telephone numbers (home) 972-392-0473 and (work) 214-576-5741, SSN: 627-70-0979. BAER also is identified with an address of 1125 East Campbell Road, Richardson, TX. BAER's SSN is also identified with a John BAER and Annie BAER at the 7845 La Cabeza address. BAER stated he was a relative of GAL. On the bond papers, it was reflected that GAL would be staying at 22 Palisade Terrace, Edgewater, NJ 07020 Tel: 201-224-0797 / 210-310-3521. A cashier check #0001594012 from Bank of America in the amount of $ 10,000 was posted.

43. AMDOCS is an Israeli communications software company, based in the U.S. at 1390 Timberlake Manor Parkway, Chesterfield (St. Louis), MO 63017-6041, telephone number 314-821-3242. AMDOCS is traded on the NYSE under DOX. On April 17, 2001, AMDOCS released a statement that he had signed a five-year outsourcing agreement with BellSouth. AMDOCS also lists an address of #1 Bell Plaza, St. Louis, Mo, which is the address for Bell South. AMDOCS also has a seven-year outsourcing agreement with Nextel Communications, a provider of digital wireless telecommunications services. Under this agreement, AMDOCS will provide Nextel with a comprehensive billing and customer care information software and support services. The president of AMDOC in Texas is identified as Boaz DOTAN, address: 23 Abba Hillel, St. Ranat Gan, Israel. Treasurer is listed as Beverly A."WHITMAN, SSN: 400-88-4097. Secretary is listed as Gregory CHRISTOFFEL, SSN: 389-52-8560 at 91 Bell Plaza, St. Louis, MO.

44. Also arrested during this operation was Eran MOSHE (identified with I&NS #A75-894-459), who stated he was a former Israeli special operations soldier.

45. It is noted that following the arrests of the Israeli nationals on March 26/27th, the Israeli embassy was notified that citizens of its country had been arrested by I&NS. The Israeli embassy,arranged for air transportation out of the county on March 31, 2001.

46. On March 27, 2001, at approximately 2:30 pm, three Israeli nationals arriving frorn Frankfurt, Germany, were admitted as non-immigrant visitors through the Dallas / Ft. Worth Airport (DFW). They were identified as Julia VAINSHTEIN, an Israeli female, DPOB: 11-12-78/Russia, Dilka BORENSTEIN, DPOB: 03-15-79/Israel, and Ofir NAVON, DPOB: 09-02-79/Israel. BORENSTEIN stated to have been recently discharged as an Israeli Military Intelligence officer. NAVON claimed to be a former Israeli Army demolition/explosive ordnance disposal specialist. The three stated they intended to tour the Dallas area for a few days, and then go to Houston, New York, and Los Angeles. They claimed not to know anyone in the Dallas area. Surveillance was maintained on the three after they left the inspection area. They were seen being picked up by an individual subsequently identified as Michael CALMANOVIC, who was driving a black Jeep bearing, Texas tags L44-CVD. This tag comes back to CALMANOVIC at 3575 N. Beltline Road, Apt 316, Irving, Texas. Subsequent investigation revealed this address to be a mailbox.

47. In December of 2000, an Israeli art student by the name of Cohen MEYTAL was observed by a DEA employee sitting on the western street curb of the Dallas Divisional Office selling artwork. The student claimed that a group of Israeli art students (about 20) would paint works of art and them at local places of business. The employee purchased a painting and was offered to have it framed by an acquaintance of the Israeli group. The check was made out to Cohen MEYTAL and mailed to the following address:

Cohen Meytal
c/o Calmanovic
3575 N. Beltline Road
P.O. Box 316
Irving, Texas 75062

This address is identified with Michael CALMANOVIC. See report under LABORATORIES, paragraph #161.)

48. On March 31, 2001, I&NS Deportation Officer Michael L. Bush was assigned escort duties for the 13 Israelis arrested on March 26/27, 2001 in Irving, Texas. At that time, one of the Israelis (not identified in the report) stated that five individuals in Israel were responsible for recruiting Israeli nationals to come to the U.S. for the purpose of selling art door-to-door. The detainee identified "ITAY' who lives in California, (subsequently identified as Itay SIMON), as the direct link between the five persons in Israel, and the U.S. operation. The detainee stated that the Texas contact for the organization is "Michael", who lives in the Dallas area and drives a black Jeep. The detainee stated that Michael (CALMANOVIC), is subordinate in the art-vending scheme to Itay (SIMON).

49. Based on investigative leads developed by I&NS S/A R. Marra and R. Martini, the Rochelle Plaza Apartments, located at 312 Rochelle Road, and the Hidden Ridge Apartments, located at 1103 FEdden Ridge, both in Irving, Texas, were identified as possible residences used by CALMANOVIC. On April 14, 2001, I&NS and FPS S/As interviewed Ms. Mary Stanton, Property Manager for the Rochelle Apartments. Ms. Stanton stated that CALMANOVIC had rented five (5) apartments in the complex, and that these apartments were occupied by 25 Israelis. Ms. Stanton stated that all of the Israelis left suddenly and vacated the apartments on the week of March 26/27th, (the time of the arrests of the 13 other Israelis). Ms. Stanton stated she believed CALMANOVIC was still in the Dallas area, as he had recently called regarding his security deposits. Copies of the lease agreements and copies of Israeli passports were provided by Ms. Stanton.

50. Following this, the agents went to the Hidden Ridge Apartments, and at approximately 1:00 pm encountered CALMANOVIC and Itay SIMON in apartment #3018. Thev were in the process of vacating that apartment at the time. CALMANOVIC was identified as an Israeli citizen, DPOB: 09-06-75/Israel. SIMON was identified as an Israeli citizen, DPOB: 02-27-78/Israel. I&NS S/A Martini positively identified CALMANOVIC as the driver of the black Jeep Cherokee that picked-up VAINSHTEIN, BORENSTEIN, and NAVON at DFW on March 27th. (See paragraph #46 above). CALMANOVIC stated he was a recently dicharged electronic intercept operator for the Israeli military, and SIMON stated he was recently discharged from the Israeli Army, where he did "classified work for Israeli national security". SIMON refused to answer further questions regarding his military service. Both CALMANOVIC and SIMON were both arrested by I&NS and held on $50,000 bond. This bond was subsequently posted.

Telephone number 214-882-5196 was identified as a possible contact number for CALMANOVIC in Dallas. This number is owned by NEXTEL Communications. Through an administrative subpoena, the subscriber was identified as Michael CALMANOVIC, 11012 Ventura Blvd, Studio City, CA 91604, business phone number 469-446-7777, SSN 613-23-1430, CA DL # 0077480. The service was established on March 29, 2001. NOTE: 11012 Ventura Blvd, Studio City, CA is associated in MSQ with telephone number 818-980-6955, subscribed to SOTERE, Christopher C. in case file number R1-96-0160. MSQ also lists 11012 Ventura Blvd apartment #68, Studio City, CA with JACOBS, Peter, NADDIS #3539920, from case file R3-93-0098.

Prior to the service start date of March 29, 2001 for Michael CALMANOVIC, the phone number 214-882-5196 was used by N Lal MUMITH and Talal MUMITH (NADDIS Negative) DBA American Limo and Transportation (NADDIS Negative), 415 E. Airport Freeway, Suite 280, Irving, TX 75062, business phone number 972-256-0546 (all NADDIS Negative). Telephone number 214-882-5196 was changed to 214-882-8534 on February 13, 2001 and effective March 29, 2001 the phone was assigned to CALMANOVIC.

In addition to telephone number 214-882-5196, there are six (6) additional phone numbers assigned to the account (all NADDIS Negative) with the assigned users name. The following list is all the phone numbers on account number 3231266 subscribed to Michael CALMANOVIC with a users name:

Phone Number User

214-882-5196 Gilad

214-837-3574 Roy

469-446-1248 Mosh (likely Eran MOSHE, para 944)

214-837-5996 Gil

214-876-1235 Gilad

214-837-7449 Michael

217-837-2056 Asaf

A nationwide search of available commercial databases for Michael CALMANOVIC, identified one Michael CALMANOVIC at 319 S. 177th Place 4201, Seattle, Washington 98148, home phone number 206-244-7705 (all NADDIS Negative). A search against the social security number was negative. CREF indicates that one Michael CALMANOVIC is associated with 310 S. 177th Place, Apt3 04, Seattle, WA (206) 242-3484, and 317 S. 177th Place, Apt 104, Seattle, WA (206)-277-8303. All NADDIS Negative.

51. On March 28, 2001 at approximately 2:00 pm, three-Israeli nationals arrived at DFW again from Frankfurt, Germany. They were identified as Yoni ENGEL, male, DPOB: 09-14-79/Israel, Yotam DAGA1, DPOB: 04-06-78/Israel, and Or ALROEI, DPOB 08-08-78/Israel. ENGEL identified himself as a former company commander in the Israeli Army. Arriving on this same flight was Eli RABINOVITZ, a U.S. citizen, DOB 03-27-79, U.S. Passport E3701329518. RABINOVITZ was described as a white, male, approximately 5'6" in height, 175 pounds, with brown hair in long dreadlocks and a small patch of hair beneath his bottom lip. RABINOVOTZ was seen waiting outside of the I&NS area, and seemed to be impatient. He was observed speaking to a white female who was waiting by the curb. She was not identified, but is described as being approximately 35-40 yoa, 5'6", 150 pounds, with short reddish-brown hair. She was dressed in European style clothes, and appeared to SA Putnam to be possibly German. Once an I&NS Inspector escorted one of the above Israelis out of the I&NS area, RABINOVITZ starting speaking to the Israeli in Hebrew. Once ENGEL, DAGAI and ALROEI had collected their bags, they walked outside and spoke with RABINOVITZ, and then split into groups. During this time, ENGEL was seen to be the leader of the group, giving orders to the DAGAI and ALROEI. The unidentified white female stayed with RABINOVITZ at the curb, while ENGEL, DAGAI and ALROEI walked down the sidewalk to the next terminal. DAGAI then quickly walked into the terminal at the same time as a blue GMC Safari Van, bearing California tags 3LVA018 arrived at the curb and picked-up ENGEL and ALROEI. The van then quickly departed. DMV records indicate this van is registered to ADESA GOLDEN GATE, Address: 6700 Stevenson Blvd., Fremont, CA, transfer date 11-28-00:, receipt date: 12-11-00. In a few minutes, the van returned and stopped quickly at the curb. DAGAI then came from the terminal door-way and entered the van. The van then quickly departed. Again, the van returned to the area, and RABINOVOTZ got into the van and the unlidentified female spoke to the occupants, then it again departed. S/A4 Putnam attempted to locate the van, however it could not be found. When he returned to the area, the unidentified female had also departed.

52. On April 4, 2001, four (4), and possibly six (6), Israelis were arrested in by the Ladue Missouri Police Dept. for peddling without a license. Three of these individuals were identified ay Yoni ENGEL, Yotam DAGAI, and Or ALROEI. During interviews conducted by I&NS St. Louis, three of the subjects claimed to have traveled directly from New York City, NY to Dallas, TX. A fourth subject claimed to have arrived at Dallas by way of New York City, Minneapolis, and Seattle. All then claimed to have met in San Antonio, TX with a fifth subject, identified as Ben SADAN, an Israeli national approximately 24 yoa, who acted as their driver. SADAN reportedly uses a cellular telephone with number 214-562-1110. The group claimed they then traveled from San Antonio, TX to Oklahoma City, OK, Tulsa, OK, Wichita, KS, Topeka, KS, Kansas City, MO, Springfield, MO, and then to St. Louis for the purpose of "showing" art produced by art students from the University of Art at Jerusalem. All admitted opening bank accounts at various branches of Bank of America. They further stated that the money collected from the sale of any art was normally deposited into various Bank of America accounts with an unspecified amount going to the individual seller. (See paragraph #129, under St. Louis Division).

53. On an unspecified date, (but believed to be on or about May 9, 2001 three Israeli nationals arrived at DFW via Air France Flight #40 from Paris, France. Two were sent for secondary inspection and interviewed by I&NS Agents. They were identified as Tomer BEN DOR, male, Israeli, DOB: 08-24-75, Marina GLIKMAN, female, Israeli, DOB: 12-15-72. BEN DOR stated he planned on being in the Dallas, TX area for approximately two weeks and then was planning on traveling to Mexico, New York City, and Canada before returning to Israel. BEN DOR was in possession of a return ticket to Israel dated July 8, 2001 and a rental car reservation through Hertz for May 9, 2001 to June 9, 2001. BEN DOR stated he works for NICE, a software engineering company in Israel. BEN DOR stated he served in the Israeli military on a unit that was responsible for Patriot missile defense.

54. BEN DOR stated he intended to stay at the La Quinta Inn, 14925 Landmark Blvd, Addison, TX, however a check of the hotel revealed no reservations under his name. BEN DOR was in possession of $1500 in cash and a credit card, which he stated he was going to use to help pay his expenses while in the U. S. BEN DOR stated he is a friend of GLIKMAN and traveled to the U.S. with her, but might travel throughout the U.S. alone. During a search of BEN DOR's luggage a printout from a Windows readme file named "WinPOS-53-readme" was found that has some reference to a file named "DEA Groups".

55. Marina GLIKMAN stated she would be visiting the U.S. for two months in the Dallas area. She originally claimed to be traveling alone, but later claimed to be traveling with BEN DOR. GLIKMAN stated that an individual named Ronen AKIVA or "HILLEL" (subsequently identified as Hillel DOR) would pick her up. GLIKMAN did not know the address of AKIVA or HILLEL, but had home and cellular telephone numbers for both, (not identified). GLIKMAN stated she did not know whom AKIVA worked for. GLIKMAN also stated she was planning on staying at the La Quinta Inn, and was in possession of $1500 in cash and a credit card. Again, a check of the hotel revealed no reservation under her name. GLIKMAN claimed to be a computer programmer for RETALIX RAANANA in Israel, and a prior intelligence officer in the Israeli military. During a search of her personal luggage, a Declaration for Personal Effects Shipping to Overseas was found which reflected she has shipped personal effects, to include furniture and clothing, to 8081 Royal Ridge Parkway, Irving, TX, the address used by RETALIX USA.

56. While GLIKMAN and BEN DOR were being processed, I&NS Inspectors went to the lobby of DFW to attempt to identify any individuals who were present to meet GLIKMAN and BEN DOR. The Inspectors identified Hillel DOR, male, Israeli, DOB: 04-06-71 and Zeev MILLER, male, Israeli, DOB: 09-04-71. MILLER had also arrived on the same flight as GLIKMAN and BEN DOR. MILLER claimed he was a student at Tel Aviv University studying software engineering while working part-time for RETALIX in Israel. MILLER stated he intended to travel to Mexico, New York, and Canada while on vacation. MILLER stated he was an explosive ordinance/combat engineer while in the Israeli military. MILLER was in possession of $1200 in cash and a Visa credit card. Hillel DOR stated he was at the airport to pick-up GLIKMAN. I&NS S/As verified that DOR had entered the U.S. in January, 2001 as an H-1B nonimmigrant, working for RETALIX USA.

57. RETALIX provides integrated, enterprise-wide software for the retail food industry. It has headquarters in the U.S. and Israel. RETALIX, USA Inc is the U.S. subsidiary of the parent company, based in Israel. It was founded in 1982 as POINT OF SALE LIMITED and changed its name in November 2000. It is trades on the NASDAQ market under RTLX. The company has over 450 einployees, with subsidiary offices in the U.S. and the United Kingdom. The chairman and CEO is Barry SHAKED, who replaced Lawrence ALLMAN as the president and CEO of RETALIX USA on January 31, 2001.

Denver Division

58. Sometime in July or August 2000, on two separate occasions, a male described as Caucasian, 5'8", black hair, wearing baggy clothing, entered the reception area of the Denver Divisional Office. The unidentified male spoke with a heavy accent and was carrying a black artwork brief case. The unidentified male asked to speak with anyone interested in purchasing artwork. The unidentified rriale was asked to leave and did so without incident.

59. Sometime in December 2000, an unidentified white male, 20-25 years of age entered the Colorado Springs, Colorado Resident Office in an attempt to sell artwork, He was asked to leave and did so without incident.

60. Four separate incidents involving unidentified persons attempting to sell artwork at the Salt Lake City, Utah Resident Office were reported by a Receptionist. These incidents occurred during the 2000 calendar year. In each incident, all suspicious persons entered the reception area of the Salt Lake City, Utah Resident Office asking to speak to anyone interested in purchasing artwork. All subjects spoke with a heavy accent believed to be French. All subjects were asked to leave and did so without incident.

61. A second receptionist at the Salt Lake Ciiy, Utah Resident Office reported one male and two female subjects attempted to sell artwork in the reception area. The receptionist asked the male subject where he was from. Apparently, he claimed he was from Israel. The receptionist purchased a painting, for $100.00 and was not issued a receipt. This incident occurred sometime in January 2001.

Detroit Division

62. A Vehicle Technician at the Detroit Division reported that during the fall of 2000, a female appearing to be either Jewish or Arabic in her twenties visited her home in Southfield, Kentucky in an attempt to sell her artwork. The Vehicle Technician declined to purchase any paintings and the female left. The Vehicle Technician said it appeared the female was going door to door.

63. A DEA-6 Report of Investigation was received from the Louisville, Kentucky Resident Office detailmig the suspicious activities of Israeli art students. On February 12, 2001, an individual who identified himself as an Israeli art student visited the residence of a Special Agent. The individual stated he was selling artwork door to door. He claimed he and other Israeli students were staying at a Motel 6 in Lexington, Kentucky. The Special Agent examined the individual's Israeli Ministries of Transport photo ID. The ID indicated that the individual was Shabar FREIDMAN, driver's license number 6728447 and ID number 033056433. On February 13, 2001, a Special Agent made contact with an individual outside the Lexington, Kentucky Resident Office. The individual claimed to be an Israeli art student. The individual was identified as Gerzon Ofir AVRAHAM, (DOB 08/12/77). AVRAHAM presented his Israeli passport (96315574) and a Ministries of Transport ID number 034193615. Contact was made with AVRAHAM after ATF personnel observed him walking around the property of the Lexington, Kentucky Resident Office. During an interview with AVRAHAM he stated that he did not enter the Resident Office and that he was trying to sell his artwork to individuals in the area. AVRAHAM also stated that he and seven other Israelis were in the U.S. traveling and selling artwork. AVRAHAM claimed that he and the others go to businesses and residenes in an attempt to have people buy their artwork. Apparently, the Israelis were staying at a Motel 6 located in Lexington, Kentucky and are planning to travel to Cincinnati, Ohio. AVRAHAM told the Special Agents that there are two groups of Israeli students currently in the U.S. The second group was then currently in Memphis, Tennessee and Houston, Texas. The Israelis plan to stay in the U.S. until the end ofMarch or the beginning of April. AVRAHAM also claimed that one of the members of his group, SHAHAR (LNU), visited the residence of a police officer. SHAHAR told AVRAHAM that the police officer questioned him about the purpose of his visit.

El Paso Division

64. On February 28, 2001, at approximately 6:30 p.m. the Albuquerque District Office Duty Agent received a phone call from Patrick Dawson in Phoenix, Arizona (606) 664-5647. Dawson stated that their respective office had received a Teletype stating that a terrorist organization from the Middle East has been attempting to obtain information about the layout of different law enforcement agencies throughout the United States. According to Dawson the organization sends college students with framed paintings/prints to law enforcement buildings in an attempt to gather information about the layout of the buildings.

65. On or around January 28, 2001, a young man attempting to sell artwork approached a DEA Receptionist for the Albuquerque District Office. The Receptionist advised the young man that the District Office was a federal building and that she or anyone else was not interested. The Receptionist observed: the young man leave; however, she does not remember the description of the individual.

66. On Tuesday, March 6, 2001, a young female came to the IRS office trying to sell artwork. The woman was dressed neatly in an "American style" dress. The woman spoke very quietly and with a heavy accent, which made her very difficult to understand. She advised one of the IRS employees that she was Mongolian and that she had to sell a certain amount of artwork to get an art scholarship. She carried a small portfolio type container and produced a childish and unframed painting of some sort of animal with glitter. One of the witnesses described it as something the girl might have done herself. The girl was told that soliciting was not allowed in the building and she left the IRS office. No one apparently saw the woman leave the floor or building and no other subjects were seen. The woman described her as being in her late teens to early 20's, plump / chunky and approximately 4'11 " and light complected.

Houston Division

67. On October 20, 2000, a male Israeli art student was observed by the Security Officers entering the lobby level and enter an elevator from a secure area of the Houston, Texas Divisional Office. Security Officers were able to apprehend the art student before he could enter a secure area on the second floor. There are no written reports of the incident nor any identification attempt made of the art student.

68. On January 16, 2001, a male Israeli art student was observed by a United States Customs Service Special Agent entering a secured parking lot area that leads into the Houston Divisional Office. The USCS Special Avent stopped the art student and turned him over to the Security Officers. The student claimed he wanted to gain access to the building to sell artwork. No personal identification information was obtained.

69. On January 22, 2001, a third Israeli art student entered the lobby of the Houston Division and asked the Security Officer if he could utilize a pay phone. The Security Officer informed the student that there was no public phone available. The Security Officer asked the student if he had any artwork to sell. The student said, "yes," and proceeded to inform the Security Officer that another student visited the Houston Division a week ago to sell artwork. The Security Offlicer told the student that someone upstairs wanted to see the artwork. The Houston Division Special Agent/Security Officer S/A John Martin, Assistant Special Agent in Charge Ric Ludowig, and another Special Agent interviewed the student. The Israeli art student was carrying a Florida State Driver's License (#B650-520-76-047-0). The information on the license was Lior BARAM, 10733 Cleary Blvd., #206, Plantation, Florida, 33324-0000, (DOB 02/07/76), 5'9", dark eyes and black hair. BARAM admitted to serving three years in the Israeli military and served his last two years in Intelligence, working with classified information. BARAM spoke fluent English with an accent. He also claimed to be an art student at Bezalel University in Jerusalem; however, he could not spell Bezalel. BARAM stated there were fifteen (15) Israeli art students in the Houston, Texas area attempting to sell their artwork. BARAM claimed to realize that the Houston Division was a Federal building and that be would not be able to sell his artwork there. BARAM was asked how he knew the Houston Division was a Federal Building. BARAM response was, "By looking around and seeing all of the cars." BARAM also stated that after he left the military, he traveled for one year, worked at a car rental company, and studied at BEZALEL UNIVERSITY.

70. BARAM could not provide the name of address or phone number of a place he was staying. He also referred to the person heading the student affair as his "supervisor." When BARAM pronounced the name cf his supervisor it sounded like "Ori," and that Ori could be contacted at (847) 456-6166. The telephone number was called and Ori was not available. No one at that phone number could provide any information. BARAM was allowed to use a DEA telephone to call someone to pick him up. BARAM dialed 1-800-462-3541, but did not speak to anyone. When asked, he stated he tried to call a friend in New York. BARAM was instructed to leave and never return. BARAM cialmed he had visited the U.S. three times on a tourist visa, A records check from the Immigration and Naturalization Service revealed BARAM had visited the U.S. in 1997 and once in 2000 and 2001.

a) On May 10, 1997, BARAM entered the U.S., via Miami, under admission number 75957562105, on American Airlines flight #5776. He departed the U.S., via New York, on British Airways flight #0001 on May 17, 1997. His U. S. tourist visa was issued on March 18, 1997.

b) On August 25, 1997, BARAM entered the U.S. via Los Angeles, under admission number 35627816705, on El Al Israel flight #0105. At that time he was carrying an Israeli passport (#4787090) and it is presumed he may have entered the U.S. under the same U.S. tourist visa as noted above. BARAM departed the U.S. on December 13, 1997, via Miami, on Air Jamaica flight #0093.

c) On December 16, 1997, BARAM entered the U.S. via Miami, under admission number 76155245005, on Air Jamaica flight #0090. There was no date of issue for the U.S. tourist visa, however, the visa was issued in Jerusalem. BARAM departed the U.S., via Newark, NJ, on El AL Israel flight #0001 on January 3, 1998.

d) On November 22, 2000, BARAM re-entered the U.S., via New York, on El Al Israel flight #0003. He was carrying Israeli passport (#8722103) and was issued a U.S. tourist visa on November 15, 2000 in Tel Aviv. There is no departure information listed for this trip.

70 On March 1, 2001, two college students selling art visited the home of a Staff Assistant from the San Antonio, Texas District Office. The Staff Assistant's husband answered the door and sent the students on their way. No information as to where they were from was revealed. No vehicle was seen and they were walking door to door.

71. On March 23, 2001, the Houston Division HIDTA faxed ISP a security alert that was issued from ONDCR. The security alert describes the apparent attempts by Israeli nationals to learn about government personnel and office layouts. The security alert reads:

"A Supervisory Special Agent from OTG has received information from the other OTG's that there was an on-going "security threat" in the form of individuals who are purportedly "Israeli National Art Students" that are targeting government office selling "artwork." The purpose of them targeting Law Enforcement in unknown. Intelligence information indicates that they are specifically targeting Law Enforcement agencies as they showed up in an ATF office in Lexington, KY, where their office is in a commercial building NOT associated with the government. When questioned by the ATF, the "students" were vague about why they were selling the artwork in that particular office. In the St. Louis area, the source thought that the students were Palestinian and they have been at the DEA office in that city. At that location, the Intel indicates that they were caught "diagramming" the inside of the building. Also in St. Louis, several of the Law Enforcement's Officer's homes have been visited by these folks. One DCIS agent reported two individuals, who appeared to be of Middle Eastern extraction, went to his house and tried to gain entry under the ruse of "selling art." When he refused entry to them, they left. What was unusual is that he watched them and they did not visit any other houses in the area. Since this came from DEA, who is apparently on of the major targets, I thoughy it imperative to get the word out as soon as practical. DEA is attempting to build a database of the contacts in all areas. A TIGTA Special Agent reports that he was visited at his home in west Little Rock, AR approximately two months ago by a woman "selling artwork," and fitting this description. It is unknown HOW these folks are getting the home addresses of the agents contacted, whether via surveillance or by FOIA. requests, but it is certainly well to be aware of anyone who may fit this description and appears to be following an agent."

Los Angeles Division

72. On March 8, 2001, at approximately 6:30 p.m., two males claiming to be art students from UCLA, visited the home of Intelligence Supervisor Lori Fernandes and ASAC John Fernandes, of the Los Angeles Division. The two males said they were attending school from Europe and were trying to sell art to support their economy. The two males looked to be in their 20's. One male had very short black hair and the other had black hair that extended about two inches below his ears. The I/S Fernandes informed the males that she was not interested and they left the residence. The two males departed the neighborhood in a vehicle bearing a Maryland license plate #HLB785, The plate comes back to a 1991 Ford registered to Leviella MENDEL at 8377 Tamar Drive, #37, Columbia, Maryland, DOB 10/29/75, driver's license #M-534-514-009-032, 5'7", 150 lbs. All M204 inquiries were negative. Additional inquiries revealed MENDEL has a new residential address, 4733 Haskell Ave., #46, Encino, California. Criminal checks are still pending.

73. On Wednesday April 2, 2001 at approximately 8:00 PM one of two individuals rang the doorbell of the residence of a DEA Special Agent Wayne Schmidt in Duarte, California. Upon answering the door, the S/A observed the two individuals walking away from the residence and walking toward an adjoining neighbor's residence. Upon exiting the residence, the S/A observed that both individuals, a male and a female, were at the neighbor's front door and stated that they were "Israeli art students", The neighbor advised them she was not interested and both left the area walking south on foot. The S/A observed that the male spoke English with a pronounced accent and was approximately 5'10" medium build short curly dark hair and carried an artist's portfolio. The female was approximately 5'7" with shoulder length auburn hair. The S/A was not able to obtain any further description due to the lack of available light in the area. The S/A returned to his residence and contacted by telephone the Temple Station of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department (LASO) and requested assistance in attempting to find and identify the individuals. While awaiting the arrival of the LASO, the S/A returned to the area where he had last observed the individuals and attempted to locate their exact location without success. The S/A was contacted telephonically by LASO Sergeant Joseph B. O'Conner [not redacted]. Subsequently, the S/A briefed Sergeant O'Conner in person at a location away from his residence, While briefing, Sergeant O'Conner dispatched a number of marked police units into the area of the last sighting. After approximately 30 minutes of searching the area the units reported no observations. Sergeant O'Conner, along with several LASO Deputies canvases on foot the residents of several houses north and south of the S/A's residence on the pretext of looking for door to door peddlers. Sergeant O'Conner determined that the two individuals approached the resident of 615 Royalview Street, Duarte, identified as Kathy SABGUNDJIAN (626) 358-6453 (626) 256-1027 at approximately 7:30 PM and had entered that residence and stayed for approximately 30 minutes. Ms. SABGUNJIAN had made a purchase from the individuals. During questioning by Sergeant O'Conner Ms. SAPGUNDJIAN recalled that the two individuals would not give her their names nor did they provide her with a telephone number. When asked about framing the artwork the individuals obtained Ms. SABGUNDJIAN's telephone numbers and said that they will be in touch with her. Sergeant O'Conner left his business card wtih Ms. SABGUNJIAN and requested that she contact him in the event the art students telephoned. Sergeant O'Conner also requested that Ms. SABGUNDJIAN not tell the sellers about his visit.

Miami Division

74. The Miami Division, including SouthCom, ATF, INS, FDLE, and SFISC, and the Southeast Laboratory, (for lab incidents, see Laboratories), has had at least 20 encounters with Israelis selling artwork. These encounters took place at the Divisional Office and at the residences of several employees. A Chemist made a purchase at his residence via personal check for $155.00. The check was deposited into Colonial Bank account number 067001518. A copy of the check has been furnished.

75. In a Federal Protective Service report dated February 9, 2001, a FPS Officer while on patrol at a Federal facility adjacently located to DEA, was notified by a Security Officer that there were two individuals walking around the back of the building. The subjects stated that they were there from Israel to try to sell paintings for art school. The male subject was carrying an Israeli passport, a Florida State driver's license, and a Florida state ID card. The female subject had a Florida State driver's license and a Florida state ID card. The female subject could not provide a passport or visa from Israel. The subjects were detained and transferred to FPS Miami Headquarters where they were interviewed. Both subjects were issued tickets for "soliciting for commercial purposes." While interviewed, both subjects produced counterfeit social security cards. Both subjects stated they were approached by a man at the Florida State driver's license office and paid him $100.00 for the counterfeit social security cards. Both subjects were issued tickets for "possession of a false U.S, Government document." The male subject was identified as Ohad AHARON and the female as Yafit SEGAL. Later in the intervievv, SEGAL stated that they are not art students, but answered an ad in Israel to go to the U.S. to sell art. The company, which is located in Florida, is "Oil Paintings and Frames Universal Art," and the manager's name is ALMOG. SEGAL also stated that they had a disagreement with ALMOG, left the company, and decided to sell art on their own. The art is bought from a company in Los Angeles, California. SEGAL and AHARON were released and the case remains open with the U.S. Dept. of State.

75. [Number reused] On February 15, 2001, an off duty agent spotted two individuals believed to be identified with subjects of a security adviory posted by the Miami F.D. Surveillance was conducted and the local police approached them to obtain identification and photographs. They were both carrying passports. The female's name was Hammutal COHEN, DOB 01/29/62, passport 416077838, Immigration departure #41060016307 (02/12/01), 5'8", 145 lbs. The male's name was Itay RUBINSTEIN, DOB 01/17/79, U.S. visa #39127358, date of entry 12/28/00, passport #39127358, 6'0", 165 lbs, They stated they were showing artwork that was not for sale. They were promoting an art gallery that was opening in New York. DEA Special Agents observed these two individuals in a strip mall near the DEA Orlando District Office in Heathrow, Florida. The Israelis were observed going business-to-business selling artwork they carried in a large portfolio. The agents photographed the two individuals,

76. On March 1, 2001, at approximately 3:00 p.m., SA Kevin McLaughlin of theTampa DO responded to a knock at one of the fifth floor office doors. (It should be noted that the Tampa DO occupies the fourth and fifth floors of a First Union bank Office building). The reception area is on the fourth floor, with the fifthi floor doors being locked, and possessing no signs of idwitification.) At the door was a young fernale who immediately identified herself as an Israeli aii student who had beautiful art to sell. She was carrying a crudely made portfolio of canvas, matted, but unframed pictures. Taking note of the posted Miami Field Division Security Alert regarding a similar incident, SA McLaughlin invited her into one of the interview rooms and SA Adrian Chindgren joined him in listening to her presentation. She had approxiinately 15 paintings of different styles, some copies of famous works, and others similar in style to famous artists. When asked her name, she identified herself as Bella POLLCSON, and pointed out one of the paintings was signed by that name. She then changed her story and said that the paintings were not for sale, but that she was there to promote an art show in Sarasota, FL, and asked for the agents' business cards so that information regarding the show could be mailed to them. She was not able to say when, or where the show would take place. After this discrepancy, the agents began to question her more closely, and her responses were evasive at best. When asked whom she was with, she stated that she was dropped at this office building by her Team Leader, who knew everything and could answer more questions. The Team Leader was described as a male driving a red van, dropping off this female, with another four females and a male.

77. Tampa DO agents then began searching the area around the Tampa DO office and found the individuals described by the young female. Two of the girls were on a street corner near another busy office complex area and as agents were speaking with thern, the red van pulled up. All were escorted to the Tampa DO for questioning.

78. Agents from the Tampa DO then interviewed each of the subjects. Through identification that was produced, it wat revealed that the female who approached the Tampa DO and identified hersclf as Bella POLLCSON, was now identified as Inbal VAKSHI. The other subjects were: Sussie OSHRA, Keren KUZNITZ, Keren MATATIA, Livnat SELLA, Eli COHEN, Oshirt ZAGURI, Rachel KENDEL, and Hanan SERFATY. SERFATY, the driver of the red van, was identified as the Team Leader. All of the subjects gave ambiguous answers to the agents, but keeping to the story that they were Israeli art students.

79, VAKSHI produced an Israeli identification card, an Israeli passport, a student identification card, and a Florida driver's license for Sarah Minna SASSOON. VAKSI stated that she had received the license from a friend of hers who was no longer living in Florida.

80. S/A David Keikin interviewed subject Hanan SERFATY. SERFATY stated that he served in the Israeli military between the ages of 18-21. He further indicated that he arrived in the U.S. approximately one year ago at the age of 23. When questioned as to what he did between the ages of 21 and 24, he refused to answer. The interviewing agent indicated that SERFATY's command of the English language was excellent, even the utitilization of slang words. SERFATY indicated that he resides in Hollywood, FL, with a phone number of (954) 478-1006. He further related that he purchases the paintings from an Anglo male, TOM (LNU) for $8.00-$15.00/piece, In turn, each piece of artwork is subsequently sold for $50-80. TOM (LNU) allegedly resides in Hollywood/Ft. Lauderdale area, and reportedly has a storage unit in south Florida where he keeps the artwork to be picked up.

81. It should be noted that in SERFATY's possession were deposit and withdrawal slips for Washington Mutual Bank account #038300002297689, dating, from December 19, 2000 through February 21, 2001. The fifty-one (51) slips were for transactions at various banks in Dade and Broward County, FL, banks, specifically in Coral Gables, Miami, Hollywood, Aventura, and Tamarac, The deposits for the timeframe toaled $93,252,00, with withdrawals totaling $86,000. Also in SERFATY's possession were four (4) deposit slips for First Union Bank account #1010017986436, from February 26, 2001 through March 1, 2001, totaling $14,250.

82. After being photographed, the subjects were released. G/S Mark Baughman contacted G/S James Williams, Miami Field Division SOG, and was instructed to contact Matheson of the Federal Protective Service in Atlanta, which he did telephomically. On March 2, 2001, G/S Baughman contacted Air Force Intelligence, OSI at MacDill Air Force Base and relayed all pertinent information to Air Force Commander Joseph Lukowski. Copies of all documents were forwarded to Commander Lukowski.

83. Follow-up calls to the Tampa Police Department revealed the following information. On 2/27/01, the Tampa Police Dept. responded to two calls of suspicious persons in the Davis Island area of Tampa. Shortly after 8 PM, officers responded to the first call and encountered a male and female alleging to be selling art prints in a residential area. One of the homes they embarked upon was that of a U.S. Marshal. During the interview of the two subjects, the male claimed he was previously a police officer with the Israeli Army and was currently touring the U.S. with an associate. The male subject was identified as Assaf MARZIANO, DOB: 02-04-78. The female subject was identified as Orit BENDALAK, DOB: 10-28-78. MARZIANO stated that he had relatives in Miami, but could not recall their names. He also claimed that he was traveling to Los Angeles after leaving FL. Both subjects claimed that a NADAV (LNU) was responsible for introducing them to the idea of selling artwork while in Miami, and added that NADAV was responsible for dropping off the subjects on Davis Island to sell artwork. BENDALAK stated that she originally left Israel and traveled to Thailand and Taiwan. She also claimed that while serving in the Israeli army, she was trained as a bomb technician. At 9:15 PM, a second call brought TPD officers to another location on Davis Island, which resulted in the interview of another male and female also selling artwork. These subjects claimed to ro be promoting artwork for an organization that they could not recall the name of. They both additionally claimed that they had been dropped off in Tampa after departing Miami on same day. These subjects are identified as Michael SIMON, DOB: 11-23-78 and Ilana HARARI, DOB: 4-29-79. TPD fingerprinted and photographed all 4 subjects. (The Tampa DO retains copies of all documentation.) These subjects all had passports in their possession reflecting travel through Czech, Warsaw, and Nepal (10/2000). It should be noted that in addition to one Deputy U.S. Marshal residing on Davis Island, also residing there is a DEA agent and his spouse who is a Deputy U.S. Marshal, a FL state representative, and a captain with the Tampa Police, Dept.

84. The day before this incident, February 28, 2001, four students were observed going door-to-door in a Tampa neighborhood. They knocked on the door of a U.S. Marshal. The U.S. Marshal stated that the students were selling and promoting artwork for the Jerusalem Art Academy. The students claimed they came to the U.S. on February 21, 2001 from Israel, through New York, and then to visit friends in Miami. None of the students could provide the names of their ftiends. The students indicated that they had just recently traveled to Thailand and Taiwan. The students indicated that they had served in the Israeli military (which is required). One male stated he was a police officer in the military and one female stated she was trained as a bomb technician.

85. On March 6, 2001, two males and one female student attempted to sell artwork at the IRS office in Maitland, Florida, The students appeared to be from the Middle East and possibly Israeli, according to the IRS agent. Two agents encountered the students and they were asked to wait while a supervisor was contacted. The students left and were followed to the parking lot. The students were seen getting into a vehicle bearing Florida license plate number D36-TTQ. The registration belongs to Seth Thomas BURKHOLDER of 3329 Bartlett Blvd., Orlando, Florida. The vehicle is a white 1995 Nissan pickup.

86. The U.S. Marshals Service also provided information regarding similar incidents at the Federal Courthouse and Federal Building in downtown Tampa. On February 7, 2001, a female carrying a large flat package was stopped on the 17th floor of the courthouse. The female stated that she was an Israeli art student that had some photos and paintings to sell. The subject was instructed to check with the first floor Security Post to get permission. The subject then departed to the elevators. It was noted that the female had a thick accent possibly middle-eastern.

87. An inquiry at the U.S. Attomey's Office (USAO) in Tampa by the Marshals Service revealed that a female had visited the USAO floor of a commercial bank building where they lease space. She claimed to have pictures to see, and may also have claimed to be an Israeli art student.

88. On February 27, 2001, Deputy U.S. Marshal (DUSM) Scott Ley observed two females fitting the profile of the Israeli art student seen at the Tampa Federal courthouse, standing on a street corner in downtown Tampa. They were carrying hand-made portfolios, approximately 4-ft. by 3-ft, made up of white foam core sides with heavily taped carrying handles. One of the females was followed into a commercial bank buildina where she proceeded to sell her paintings. She proceeded to other buildings in the area for the next hour, before joining a third female in the lobby of another bank building. The third female had set up her artwork in the lobby. Information obtained from the building management revealed a Florida IID card in the name of Keren KUZNITZ, and a telephone number for her "boss," The number, (954) 478-0961 is a Voice Stream Wireless cellular phone out of Fort Lauderdale, FL. 12. DUSM Ley approached this female and inquired about the paintings, She immediately identified herself as an Israeli art student named Keren. She stated that she was one of the ten students from a class of forty that traveled to the U.S. for one month selling their own artwork as a fundraiser. DUSM Ley purchased a painting for $150.00, and obtained additional information from KUZNITZ. The name of her "Team Leader" and/or "Boss" is Hanane SARFATI, and the name of the art school is BEZALEL. The "boss" was to pick the art students up in downtown Tampa at approximately 5:00 p.m. Additional surveillance revealed a dark-colored mini van, driven by a white male with dark hair, picking up approximately six females, all carrying similar "portfolios," in a crowded area during downtown Tampa rush hour. The Florida license plate on the van was U71 DLD, a 1991 red Dodge mini-van, registered to Hanane SARFATI, W/M, DOB 06/03/1977, 4220 Sheridan St. #303, Hollywood, FL, and 701 S. 21st Ave., Hollywood, FL. A Florida Driver's License check revealed S613-320-77-203-0 to belong to Hinane SARFATI, 4220 Sheridan St.,, #303, Hollywood, FL. This license has been suspended and is not curreatly valid.

89. The U.S. Marshals Service subsequently found the BEZALEL ACADEMY OF ARTS AND DESIGN in Jerusalem via the Intemet. The telephone number is 011-972-2589-3333; website www.bezalel.ac.il. The Tampa DO has copies of all of the above reports, photographs, and identification. For further information, please contact GS Jane Feeney or IRS Bonnie Godshall.

90. The following was received by the RAC of the Ft. Meyers kesident Office: Commonwealth Financial Center (CFC) (the DEA FTMRO is a tenant of this building) and approached several people attempting to sell artwork. The females were asked to leave by tenants on the fourth floor that then notifiied the FTMRO. [Note: a MFD On 15 March 2001, sometime after noontime, two white females entered the Security Alert on these Israeli art students was previously given to the non-DEA tenants of the Commonwealth Financial Center, Also, other tenants of the building reported seeing this group on a previous occasion.] SA's Paul Mangone and Mark Strang approached the females and asked them what their business ws in the building. The two females, subsequently identified as Zwaig MEIRAV and Hilda MACHBUBI told the agents that they arrived that same day from Fort Lauderdale "by bus" and planned on returning the same day. They said they had "walked" from the bus station in downtown Fort Myers to the CFC. They said they had no identification on them. As they left the CFC, SAs Mangone and Strang followed the two females as they walked around the neighborhood returning to the corner of New Brittany Blvd. and College Parkway after, apparently, placing a telephone call to associates.

91. A short time later, SA Mangone saw a bronze/tan Ford Aerostar XLT, bearing Florida license number T37-VTH, arrive at the northeast comer of New Brittany Blvd. and College Parkway. Two other persons occupied this vehicle. These persons were subsequently identified as Nimrod SIMKIN and Inbal KEREN. MEIRAV and MACHBUBI then entered the vehicle. SAs Mangone and Strang followed the vehicle as it headed west on College Parkway toward the city of Cape Coral. The vehicle entered Cape Coral on Cape Coral Parkway then turned north on Del Prado Blvd. It turned into a small business center on the East Side of Del Prado Blvd and parked in the parking lot of the business.

92. SA's Mangone and Strang then approached the vehicle and the driver, SIMKIN, who was already out of the vehicle. SA Mangone [not redacted] then asked the other three occupants to exit the vehicle. SA Mangone asked each to provide ID, which they did. SA Mangone asked MEIRAV why she lied to him at the CFC. She said she was afraid. SA Mangone asked SIMKIN, the vehicle driver, for permission to search the vehicle. SA Mangone [not redacted] saw a small Panasonic digital recorder and photographic equipment in the vehicle.

93. The following personal information was obtained from the four individuals:

Zwaig MEIRAV, w/f, thin build, short long dark hair, DOB: 2/9/76, US VISA control #20003205620012, Israeli passport #7831088

Hilda MACHBUBI, w/f, DOB: 5/4/79, US VISA control #20000397210011, Israeli passport # 6530284, FL ID # M211-320-79-664-0

Nimrod SIMKIN, w/m, over 6' tall, curly hair, DOB: 9/2/77, FL DL# S525-620-77-3220

Inbal KEREN, w/f, DOB: 7/17/79, US VISA control #20001710300009, Israeli passport #6082073

94. SIMKIN explained that they are part of a group of Israeli students who are working to earn money so that they may continue their education in Israel. All of the students travel to the United States on tourist visas and pay for their own airfare and living expenses. They remain in the U.S. for a period of four months then return to Israel. SIMKIN did not know how many students participate in this program but stated that in addition to himself and the three females currently with him there are three other students residing in Ft. Lauderdale. These students learn of this opportunity in Israel and they are put in touch with a several outlets where they purchase paintings out of pocket. The students then sell the paintings and they retain any profit for themselves. SIMKIN was unable to provide names of the persons/businesses from which they purchase the paintings nor was he able to provide the name of the organization that sponsors this employment.

The following was received from the Orlando District Office:

95. On May 2, 2001 in response to that Interoffice memorandum, SA Lee Madeam noted a suspicious vehicle outside of the Orlando District Office parked in the travel lanes taking photographs of the office building and parking lots. SA Madeam attempted to get a closer look at this vehicle and possibly a license plate number, however, this vehicle sped away before he could reach it. SA Madeam described this vehicle as a late model Mitsubishi Diamante, maroon in color. SA Madeam described the driver of this vehicle as a white male.

96. On May 3, 2001, the DEA Orlando District Office was visited by an Israeli art student at approximately 1:00 p.m. This subject was detained and identified as Peer SEGALOVITZ (DOB: 03-16-1974). SEGALOVITZ is a 27 year old male that has been in the United States since January 17, 2001. SEGALOVITZ is in the United States on a B-2 (visitation) visa which expires July 17, 2001. INS was contacted and INS requested that DEA detain SEGALOVITZ until they could arrive to take him into custody. FBI SA John Weyrauch also responded to assist with the interrogation. SEGALOVITZ was interrogated for approximately 4 hours while waiting for INS to respond. SEGALOVITZ was untruthful about his reasoning to be in the United States for approximately the first 3 hours. SEGALOVITZ finally admitted that he was one of approximately 30 Israeli art students who are currently in Florida. SEGALOVITZ would not admit what their purpose was in Florida, but did state that they were not here for legitimate means.

97. SEGALOVITZ reluctantly stated that he was an officer of the Israeli military special forces 605 battalion in Golan Heights. SEGALOVITZ has the rank of Leiutenent and his military ID number is 5087989. SEGALOVITZ stated that he commanded approximately 80 men. SEGALOVITZ stated that he had been in infantry, but as a platoon leader he and his men specialized in demolition. SEGALOVITZ then began to explain the various types of explosives that he was familiar with and stated that his main purpose was to clear mine fields for Israeli tanks and soldiers. SEGALOVITZ acknowledged he could blow up buildings, bridges, cars and anything else that he needed too. SEGALOVITZ further stated that he was very familiar with small arms and had operational knowledge of tanks and other large military machinery. SEGALOVITZ stated that the only thing he was not trained to operate was military aircraft. SEGALOVITZ admitted that he had been in two (2) military actions in Lebanon involving explosives, these missions were to eradicate members of the Hezbolah. SEGALOVITZ asked agents not to divulge this information to Israel because it would lead to his immediate arrest in Israel,

98. SEGALOVITZ stated that he was aware of Israeli Organized Crime, involvment in drug smuggling and weapons smuggling. SEGALOVITZ admitted that he was selling art and working for his brother's company. SEGALOVITZ identified his brother as Dror SEGALOVITZ with an address of 8187 N. University Drive Apartment 129 in Tamarac, Florida. A search of Peer SEGALOVITZ and his vehicle found numerous deposit slips, paintings, receipts for art sales and art equipment. INS SA's Nigel Jason and Bill Forester from the Orlando INS Office responded and arrested Peer SEGALOVITZ for violation of his B-2 (visitation) visa by working in the United States.

99. Following the interview of Peer SEGALOVITZ, FBI SA John Weyrauch [not redacted] drove to several area shopping centers lookin for SEGALOVITZ's buddy "Schlomo" as SEGALOVITZ called him. S/A Weyrauch [not redacted] spotted an odd looking male (long braided pony tail) with art portfolio like SEGALOVITZ's at a Winn Dixie, just down the street from the Orlando D.O. S/A Weyrauch [not redacted] approached the individual and did an interview. The subject identified himself as follows:

Akyuz Shmuel SAGIV
Israeli Passport # 8710426
DOB: 09-27-1976
POB: Maaloot, Israel
Entered US IN New York
Address unknown

PN 954-712-2126

SAGIV stated he is scheduled to leave the U.S. in May to go back to Israel. SAGIV stated he has a cousin (NFI) in Hollywood, FL, and a cousin (NFI) in Coral Springs, FL. SAGIV stated he was in the Israeli military in 1995-1996, and was the personal bodyguard of the highest ranking General in the Israeli Army. He also stated he was a demolition expert.

SAGIV stated he met Peer SEGALOVITZ one week earlier, in a pub. SAGIV stated SEGALOVITZ asked him to help set-up art in Orlando, FL. SAGIV stated he knew nothing about art, but that they drove to Orlando that day but did not stay overnight. He stated he did not go to Daytona, FL, and did not stay in the Knights Inn. (Receipts found in SEGALOVITZs pocket indicated they did.) SAGIV stated he did not know anyone named "AVI" and did not know that Peer SEGALOVITZ had a brother named Dror. S/A Weyrauch stated that SAGIV was evasive with answers, that SAGIV did not speak English well, and S/A Weyrauch had to continually repeat questions. Following the interview, SAGIV was released.

100. On May 3, 2001, at approximately 1:30 pm, while SEGALOVITZ was being interrogated, T/S James Wise spotted a maroon car with a while male sitting inside. This car was parked in the turn lane outside of the DEA (Orlando) office building, T/S Wise was not able to get the license plate number of the vehicle, as the driver sped away as T/S Wise approached it.

New Orleans Division

A female identifying herse as an Israeli art student visited the Little Rock, Arkansas Resident Office in mid January 2001. The female student was attempting to sell her artwork. She was allowed into the reception area where she displayed a cassava bag with approximately six to eight pictures to the Receptionist and a National Guard Analyst. Both employees were not interested and the female student left without incident.

102. Also in mid January 2001, a white male, approximately 25 years old, visited the Birmingham, Alabama Resident Office in an attempt to sell some artwork, A Task Force Agent at the front desk informed the unidentified male that he was not interested and the unidentified male left.

103. On March 7, 2001 at approximately 7:15 PM, the wife of the RAC of the Little Rock, Arkansas Resident Office was contacted at her residence by a male and female attempting to sell paintings. After she turned them away, the wife informed the RAC of the encounter. The RAC exited his residence and observed the male and female knock on the door of his neighbor's house and, after receiving no reply, walk back to the street. The RAC contacted them at this time. The male verbally identified himself as Danny SILVER. The female attempted to verbally identify herself several times but the RAC was unable to understand her as she had a very heavy accent. Both subjects were in their early twenties and, according to SILVER, were Israeli nationals. The RAC asked to see some form of identification. SILVER said that they had Israeli driver licenses and military cards but he refused to show these items to the RAC. SILVER said that he and the female were part of a group of twenty-five Israeli art students going around the area selling paintings and attempting to generate interest in a planned art gallery in St. Louis, Missouri. SILVER refused to identify the director and the location of the planned gallery. SILVER had in his possession a large case containing five or six paintings. The RAC asked SILVER how they arrived at his neighborhood. He initially said they drove but changed his story after the RAC requested to see his vehicle. SILVER then said that he and the female arrived in a taxi and would leave the same way. The RAC asked SILVER who had sent them to the neighborhood. SILVER said that their supervisor had sent them and that their supervisor makes the decisions as to where the students go to sell their art. SILVER refused to identify the supervisor and refused to provide a telephone number for him. The RAC asked SILVER for the telephone number and address of their current residence. SILVER said they were staying in a local hotel but refused to provide the name of the hotel or the telephone number. SILVER then stated that he did not want to answer anymore questions and that he wanted to leave. The RAC returned to his residence and called for a Little Rock Police Department patrol unit to search the area in an attempt to locate SILVER and the female for the purpose of identifying them. The RAC also searched the area. Neither the patrol unit nor the RAC was successful in locating SILVER and the female. In a subsequent discussion with the RAC's wife, he learned that this past summer she had been visited at their residence by a young female with an unknown accent attempting to sell paintings.

104. The following is information received by the Special Agent in Charge of the New Orleans Division:

During the period of February 16 through February 23, 2001, Group Supervisor (GS) James E. Myles, Jr. and Security Specialist (SS) Allen Davis met with members of the Federal law enforcement community in the metropolitan area of New Orleans, Louisiana to discuss matters regardmg the above captioned subject. The following Federal law enforcement agencies reported negative responses: U.S. Customs Service (USCS) and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF).

105. The following offices reported incidents of Israeli students approaching their employees at their office or residence:

United States Secret Service New Orleans, LA

106. On Friday, February 16, 2001, S/S Allen Davis and GS James E. Myles, Jr. met with United States Secret Service Special Agent in Charge (SAC) Michael James and Assistant Special Agent in Charge (ASAC) Kent Tate in New Orleans, Louisiana. SAC stated that in December 2000, around Christmas time, two young Israeli students visited his residence with artwork. SAC James further recounted that approximately two weeks prior to his personal encounter with the Israeli students, two other young Israeli students attempted to sell artwork to his spouse at their residence. Neither SAC James nor his spouse purchased artwork from the students. Finally, SAC James disclosed that his office was in receipt of a Counter terrorism Advisory Report regarding suspicious activities around Federal buildings that related to Israeli students. SAC James provided S/S Davis with a copy of the report.

Federal Bureau of Investigation / New Orleans, LA

107. On Tuesday morning February 20 2001, SS Davis and GS Myles interviewed Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Special Agent (SA) Gary McDaniel in his office. SA McDaniel is the designated security officer for the FBI office which is located at 2901 Leon C. Simon Boulevard, New Orleans, Louisiana. SA McDaniel stated that he was unaware of any incidents involving Israeli students. SA McDaniel assured SS Davis that he would canvass his office regarding the Israeli incidents and contact SS Davis if any significant information was discovered. Later the same evening, SA McDaniel reported to SS Davis that no Israeli students had approached FBI employees at the office or their residences. SA McDaniel queried his perimeter security officers to determine if they had been approached by anyone attempting to sell artwork with negative results.

108. On Wednesday, February 21, 2001, SA McDaniel contacted SS Davis and reported that the FBI had information that an Israeli student attempted to sell artwork to U.S. Federal Magistrate Docia Dalby and U.S. District Judge James Brady at their residences in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. SA McDaniel did not know if either Magistrate Dalby or Judge Brady purchased any of the artwork.

US. Marshals Service / New Orleans, LA

109. On Tuesday afternoon, February 20, 2001, GS Myles and SS Davis interviewed U.S. Deputy Marshal Bernie Deschamp at his office in the Hale Boggs Federal Building, 500 Camp Street, New Orleans, Louisiana. Deputy Deschamp reported that he learned about an incident that involved males who identified themselves only as Israeli students while trying to enter the DEA and FBI buildings in Houston, Texas attempting to sell paintings to building occupants. Deputy Deschamp further reported that an alert regarding the Israeli students in Houston, Texas became official when he received a Security Advisory Notice regarding suspicious activities around Federal buildings from Acting U.S. Deputy Director Louie T. McKinney.

110, Deputy Deschamp stated that on February 13, 2001, days after receiving the Security Advisory Notice, he received a telephone call from the United States Coast Guard Office, which is also located in the Hale Boggs Federal Building on the 13th floor, and was advised that an unknown male was in Room 1341 showing artwork to employees, According to Deputy Deschamp the unknown male was identified as David DROR; White Male; 5'10" tall; 170 pounds; Date of Birth 10/04/76; citizenship: Israeli/Canadian; National Origin: Israeli (Tel Aviv); and U.S. Visa (B-1/B-2) number 7338630. Deputy Deschamp explained that DROR entered the Hale Boggs Federal Building from Magazine Street, got on the elevator and went up to the 13th floor to the U.S. Bankruptcy Court. Deputy Deschamp described the item DROR was carrying when he entered the Hale Boggs Federal Building as an oversized black binder with gray duct tape wrapped around the carrying handle. DROR departed U.S. Bankruptcy Court and went to the nearby U.S. Coast Guard Office. Deputy Deschamp stated that pursuant to the telephone call received from the U.S. Coast Guard, DROR was temporarily detained and interviewed by the U.S. Marshals Service. At the same time, a Personal History Data Sheet was also completed for DROR. In addition, Deputy Deschamp stated that he contacted FBI Special Agent Pete Licata in New Orleans, Louisiana before contacting FBI Special Agent who is assigned to the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) in Houston, Texas. Deputy Deschamp provided SS Davis a copy of theU.S. Marshals' Security Advisory Notice along with other related documents.

U.S. Federal Protective Service New Orleans, LA

111. On February 20, 2001, SS Davis and GS Myles met with U.S. Federal Protective Service (FPS) Supervisor Lieutenant Herbert Patterson at his office in the aforementioned Hale Boggs Federal Building. Lt. Patterson stated that his office did receive a general alert notice from the FPS's Headquarters' Office in Ft. Worth., Texas regarding suspicious activities around Federal buildings. No specific details regarding Israeli students were mentioned in the advisory. Lt. Patterson canvassed his office regarding suspicious activities around the Hale Boggs Federal Building and received negative responses. Lt. Patterson assured SS Davis and GS Myles that he would contact them at the DEA New Orleans Divisional Office if any information was obtained regarding the Israeli students.

112. On March 21, 2001, the DEA Little Rock, Arkansas Residen t Office reported that an IRS S/A assigned to Little Rock was visited at his home on the night of March 20, 2001. The IRS S/A identified the individual as Idan UNIKOVSKY, a W/M with DOB 7-22-79. Identification was made via an Israeli passport number not obtained. UNIKOVSKY stated he was part of a group of 8 Israeli art students who are attending the University of Jerusalem. They have been in Memphis, TN and Baton Rouge, LA. He identified their "Team Leader" as Sharon RATZADY, (NFI), After the IRS S/A identified himself to UNIKOVSKY as a federal agent, UNIKOVSKY asked if he could take a picture of himself with the Agent, to show his friends that he had met a U.S. federal agent. The IRS agent refused, and sent him on his way.

New York Division

113. On September 24, 1999, a Senior Investigator of Task Force Group T-11 two suspicious Israeli Nationala parked outside the New York Divisional Office in a white Chevrolet van. The two subjects were identified as Yaniv Shem TOV (DOB 06/02/74) and Sahlev DOR (DOB 08/08/77). NADDIS and NCIC checks were negative,

Newark Division

114. No response.

Philadelphia Division

115. There have been no reports of suspicious activities by Israeli art students occurring at DEA facilities or at the residences of any DEA Employee under the Philadelphia Division.

Phoenix Division

116. On February 28, 2001, at approximately 3:15 p.m., a white male identified as Travis Wayne SMITH, (DOB 11/09/74, U.S. Citizen), went to the Asset Forfeiture Unit located on the second floor of the Phoenix Division, to sell framed painting and posters. SMITH stated he had just come from the U.S. Customs office and sold artwork to a gentleman that was re-doing his office. SMITH also stated he had visited other floors and tenants in the building and sold artwork to them. An Investigative Assistant contacted Asset Forfeiture Unit's Task Force Agents regarding the unauthorized solicitor. The Task Force Agents asked SMITH for identification. SMITH wanted to know why he was being asked for ID and he was told because he was a suspicious person. Phoenix Police Department and Identification Bureau records revealed SMITH had two outstanding misdemeanor traffic warrants for driving on a suspended license. SMITH was booked into the Madison Street Jail. SMITH has FBI No. 530083DB8 (Assault - Domestic Violence). On the same day, the Task Force Agents checked SMITH'S residence, 615 S. Hardy, #210, Tempe, Arizona, and found that he is in fact renting that apartment. A search of SMITH'S vehicle revealed it was rented from Enterprise Rental Car in Albuquerque, New Mexico. SMITH had a Washington State driver's license, but was born in Utah. On March 1, 2001, the Task Force Agents went to SMITH'S place of employment, Sun City Designs, 7662 Gray Rd., #105, Scottsdale, Arizona, and contacted the branch manager Ramon ESTRADA (H/M, DOB 07/26/63). ESTRADA said he has known SMI TH for three years while working for the company. ESTRADA claimed that his business offers incentives for sales people to sell framed artwork to commercial businesses. ESTRADA also claimed that the business provides the artwork to the sales people and takes a percentage of the sales.

117. A NCIC triple "I" check revealed that the Los Angeles Sheriff's Office arrested Ramon ESTRADA in December 1982 for "processing marijuana for sale". ESTRADA was arrested in May 1995 for "transport/sell narcotics" by the Los Angeles Police Dept. and again in July 1995 by the Lake Tahoe, CA Police Dept. for "transport/sell narcotics," and "adult giving minor narcotics." ESTRADA was arrested in August 1995 by King County, Washington Sheriff s Office for "domestic violence." ESTRADA'S FBI No. 76435FAO, CASID No. CA07401218 and WASID No. WA17692473.

San Diego Division

118. A number of San Diego Field Division employees, including the Southwest Laboratory, (for incidents at the Southwest Lab see Laboratories), and the Carlsbad Resident Office, reported attempts to sell artwork by Israeli students. The description of one Israeli female is, early 20's, 5'7", light complexion, thin build, 110 lbs. Another Israeli female is described as 5'4", dark brown hair, 130 lbs., and both are considered very attractive. There is no description for the Israeli male involved. All of the students claimed they were in the country to open their own art gallery in San Diego. ISP has not received a detailed report of the incidents.

119. The San Diego Division is currently working with the FBI, Department of State, and CIA personnel on advancing this investigation. Five names were retrieved from DEA and FBI sources and ran through INS. There were hits on three Israeli individuals who entered the U.S. on non-immigrant tourist visas. A license plate was also found belonging to a 1997 Chevy van that the students were seen in. The registration belongs to Yaniv Zacoravich GILOR. GILOR has rented hotel rooms and seems to be the leader of the group.

San Francisco Division

120. A young brown haired woman claiming to be from San Francisco College selling artwork contacted the wife of a Special Agent at home in mid January 2001. The young woman was observed contacting two of the Special Agent's neighbors.

121. Approximately one year ago, a Group Supervisor from the Sacramento, California Resident Office purchased a painting from a female identified as Hagit GROSS (DOB 09/30/78), Israeli passport #5111696.

122. A Special Agent of the Fresno, California Resident Office was approached at his home by a female identifying herself as an Israeli art student selling artwork.

123. On January 4, 2001, two Special Agents were conducting surveillance at a shopping center in East Palo Alto, Cafforriia. A brown haired female, 18-21 yoa, 5'4", 140 lbs., approached the agents. She was carrying a brown portfolio and identified herself as an Israeli exchange student selling art to earn money. The agents declined and then observed the female approach another individual in the parking lot.

Seattle Division

124. There have been no reports of suspicious activities by Israeli art students occurring at DEA facilities or at the residences of any DEA Employee under the Seattle Division.

125. On December 12, 2000, Shay ASHKENAZI, male, Israeli, DOB: 11-12-74, Israeli Passport number 6847902, arrived at the SEA TAC International Airport via Northwest Airlines flight 33 from Tel Aviv, Israel. He was referred for secondary inspection by the I&NS Inspectors. As reported by I&NS Intelligence officer Omar N. Nuri, ASHKENAZI stated he was a former Israeli intelligence officer, and was now traveling to "enjoy life". He claimed to have been in the U.S. in April 2000, when he was involved in a car accident in South Carolina. The purpose of this trip was to finalize the case with his attorney and to receive medical treatment. ASHKEHAZI volunteered information that a fraud scheme involving Israeli nationals was taking place in the U.S. He stated that young male and female Israelis are being recruited in Israel to enter the U.S. with B-1/B-2 tourist visas and be employed as door-to-door salesmen of paintings that are shipped to the U.S. from Israel. He claimed that one of the individuals involved in this is "Mikaeel" (sic) and is present in Texas operating this business. (See above paragraphs regarding Michael CALMANOVIC). He stated the Israelis usually operate in Texas, New York, Atlanta, Georgia, Washington, and possibly other states. ASHKEHAZI stated another person involved in this is "GERUD" (LNU), residing at 27461-150th Avenue SE, Kent, WA 98402 with telephone 253-638-8143. ASHKEHAZI was admitted into the U.S. following the inspection.

St. Louis Division

126. In early February 2001, G/S James Dunne was contacted at his home by a young woman offering to sell original watercolor paintings. The woman was approximately 25 years of age and spoke with a Middle Eastern accent. G/S Dunne informed the woman he was not interested. She left and proceeded to a neighbor's home. G/S Dunne said this type of incident is uncommon in his neighborhood.

127. On March 1, 2001, one male and one female purporting to be Israeli art students visited the home of a Special Agent from the Kansas City District Office. This Special Agent was TDY in Pittsburgh when this incident occurred. The two subjects made contact with the Special Agent's wife. The students were described as clean cut, 22 - 23 years of age, with a slight Middle Eastern appearance. They were carrying a large black portfolio and showed the Specia Agent's wife a painting of a church. The Special Agent's wife told the students she was not interested and the students departed. No vehicle was observed. When the Special Agent returned on March 5, 2001, he canvassed his neighborhood and found that the students had contacted some of his neighbors. One neighbor told the agent that the students claimed they were from the University of Jerusalem. None of the Special Agents neighbors are in the law enforcement field.

128. On Wednesday April 4, 2001, an Israeli male subject entered the public lobby of the building housing the St. Louis Division Office carrying a portfolio of paintings. A DEA employee happened to be passing through the lobby at that time and asked the subject where he was going. The subject was uncertain, and was told to leave the premises. The employee then informed ASAC II of the situation and several Agents were sent to interview the subject.

129. During the interview the subject was identified as Or ALROEI, DOB 8/8/78, Israeli passport # 6679687, Israeli drivers license # 6800268. The Agents also obtained flight information from ALROEI indicating that he flew into St. Louis on 3/28/01 on Lufthansa Airlines flight number LH691. A small piece of paper in ALROEI's wallet had a handwritten telephone number of 214-882-5196. (Note; this is one of the Nextel telephones obtained by Michael CALMANOVIC, see above.) ALROEI was very nervous and gave several conflicting statements about showing the artwork but not selling it. ALROEI was advised not to solicit the building, and sent on his way. (See Paragraphs #51 and 52 above.) ALROEI was subsequently arrested by I&NS.

Washington D.C. Division

130. On March 5, 2001, a Richmond area ATF Agent and FBI Agent were solicited at their homes by two females claiming to be Israeli art students.

131. On March 12 2001, a Richmond, Virginia District Office Special Agent observed Bran KEDEM trying to open the north side entrance to the Richmond D.O. The Special Agent inquired as to KEDEM's business. KEDEM told the Special Agent that he was an Israeli art student who was selling paintings. The Special Ageat alerted his Acting Group Supervisor who invited KEDEM into the office where KEDEM was interviewed. KEDEM was interviewed by the S/A and A/GS and later by a Henrico County Business Inspector. KEDEM presented a Florida State driver's license and an Israeli driver's license. KEDEM told the auents he did not have a passport with him. KEDEM provided the following information:

132. KEDEM is an Israeli citizen who came to the United States with a group whose intention is to sell artwork. KEDEM arrived in the country during November 2000 in Miami, FL, via Mexico. KEDEM has visited several east coast cities including Miami, FL, Plantation, FL, and Atlanta, GA. KEDEM has been in Richmond, VA for about one week. KEDEM was in the company of five other Israeli nationals in the Richmond area, They are females; Limor PERLAS, Shiri ASE, Orit KEMETCH, and Shmrt MER and a male; Kobi BOUZAGLO. ASE is one of the females who solicited at the home of a local ATF Agent. The group is lodging at the Econo Lodge located at 6523 Midlothian Turnpike, Richmond, VA. KEDEM plans on leaving Richmond on Tuesday 3/13/01, via a flight from Newport News, VA, to Miami, FL. KEDEM will remain in Miami for a few days until returning to Israel via a flight out of New York City. KEDEM said he did not realize that he was soliciting at a U.S. Government office and said that he had no knowledge of the locations of any U.S. Government offices in the area. KEDEM also stated he did not have any knowledge of the addresses of any government employees in the area. KEDEM traveled in a van bearing Florida license plate #M31FHI. KEDEM reported that Kobi BOUZAGLO (his boss) had a cellular phone number of 1-888-321-6213, During the interview, the local ATF, FBI, INS, Henrico County Police Dept., and the Henrico County Business Inspections Dept. were notified. A Henrico County Business Inspections office supervisor responded. The supervisor informed KEDEM that he was in misdemeanor violation of law and that he would have to appear in front of a local magistrate. At the request of the HCBI supervisor, KEDEM was transported to the Henrico County Court where KEDEM was taken before a magistrate. The Richmond D.O. obtained photographs and fingerprints of KEDEM. I&NS verified that KEDEM entered the country as a visitor on 11/25/00 in Miami, Fl, via Mexicana Airlines and that he was allowed to stay until May 24, 2001. However, he had no permission to work or solicit business in. the U.S.

133. The morning of April 10, 2001, at approximately. 8:52 a.m. anindividual entered Washington, D.C. DEA Field Division building at 801 I Street NW, Washington, DC and inquired as to the agencies and occupants housed in the building. This individual was probing for information. The guard informed the individual that the information was not to be given out. The individual was still insistent about the building occupants, which includes not only DEA, but I&NS and Veteran Affairs. The Justice Protective Guard asked for ID, but the individual refused to show any. He was asked to leave. He appeared ready to write the information in a black portfolio he was carrying. The Federal Protective Service was notified by the guard service at 9:21 a.m. The individual was a white male, approximately 5'4" in height, weighed approximately 185 lbs, had gray hair, with a receding hairline, wearing, a grayish shirt, gray slacks and a black windbreaker.

Special Operations Division

The Office of Investigative Technology has provided the following information:

134. On Monday 3/19/2001 S/A Jeffrey Behrmann's wife notified ST Unit Chief Louis Palombella of an incident, which occurred at the Behrmann [not redacted] home the previous evening. S/A Palombella and S/A Howard Oberst interviewed Mrs. Behrmann at her home on Monday afternoon regarding the incident. Mrs. Behrmann related the following information to the Agents.

135. On Sunday evening March 18, 2001, about.8:00 PM an individual she described as a White male, 5'6 to 5'7 with medium dark complexion, dark curly hair, dark eyes, and a prominent nose came to her front door. The individual was wearing dark clothing and spoke with an accent, which she believed to be of Middle Eastern origin. The individual purported himself to be an Israeli Art Student, and attempted to sell Mrs. Behrmann pictures or paintings. Mrs. Behrmann noted that he had what appeared to be a small table or object leaning against his side. Mrs. Behrmann had virtually no dialog with the individual except to tell him she was not interested and immediately closed the door. Mrs. Behrmann did not see what if any vehicle the individual was driving, but did see a white van drive by her house, and make a "U' turn down the street a short time later. Mrs. Behrmann called the Spotsylvania County Sheriff's office to report the incident on a non-emergency line, and noted that a marked police car made a tour of the neighborhood about 20 minutes after the incident occurred.

136. During the interview the agents showed Mrs. Behrmann the photographs of the individuals who have been included in the Security Alert bulletin. Mrs. Behrmann picked out the picture of Ohad AHARON as possibly being the same person who had come to her front door.

137. Following the interview with Mrs. Behrmann, the agents met with Lt. E. K. Lunsford of the Spotsylvania County Sheriff's Department. During the meeting the agents informed the Lieutenant of the incident at the residence, and of the DEA security alert issued by the Miami Field Division. The agents requested that the Lieutenant brief the officers assigned to the area where the home was located and to provide extra patrol in that area at least until S/A Behrmann returned home from assignment.

138. On April 11, 2001 at approximately 5:00pm, Senior Inspector Larry Loveless was notified by Deputy Assistant Administrator John Sheridan, ST, that two Israeli art students were at a shopping center in Fredericksburg, Va. The two had visited the store owned by an employee at ST. S/I Loveless contacted Virginia ABC Special Agent Carter Wells who contacted the Fredericksburg Police Department for assistance. S/A Wells and Officer Ed Medina, FPD, responded to the Gateway Village Shopping center, located on Plank Road (Route 3), Fredericksburg, VA. They approached two females who were inside a coffee shop in the shopping center. The females were identified as Yael GAVISH and Meirav BALHAMS. They were carrying a homemade portfolio, with several paintings.

139. GAVISH presented Israeli passport number 5013766, issued 12/03/92. The passport had been renewed twice, with the current expiration shown as March 12, 2002. S/A Wells obtained color photocopies of pertinent pages of her passport, which were provided to S/I Loveless [not redacted]. She was described as a W/F, DOB: October 03, 1978, long dark brown hair. GAVISH spoke very little English. GAVISH was issued a U.S. class B1/B-2 visa at Tel Aviv on July 04, 2000. Visa Control Number 20001818940002, foil number 35995526. The visa page contains two (2) US I&NS entry stamps; one dated Sep. 15, 2000 New York, and the other dated Mar 09, 2001, New York. Other entries reflected in the passport are as follows:

4-12-92 Kenya Immigration (entry) stamp and visa
4-28-92 Kenya Exit Stamp
4-28-92 Israel Entry Stamp
4-31-92 Israel Exit Stamp
8-13-95 Israel Entry Stamp
8-17-95 Taba Border Control entry (Israel)
07-25-96 Haifa Border Control exit (Israel)
07-27-96 ? pireas
08-07-96 ? same as above athina
07-07-97 Cyprus entry as visitor, max stay until 7-21-97
7-12-97 Cyprus exit
7-13-97 Israel entry
7-08-98 Israel Entry Stamp MA
8-28-99 Israel exit
8-28-99 Amsterdam
09-01-99 Amsterdam (?)
09-01-99 Israel entry
199? Arabic ? unknown (2 stamps entry and exit?)
Undated Brazil
03-03-2000 Israel exit
03-10-2000 Amsterdam unknown
03-10-2000 Israel entry
09-15-2000 Israel exit
09-15-2000 U.S. (New York) entry B-1/B-2 Visa issued 7-5-2000
09-20-2000 Mexico entry
10-13-2000 Mexico exit
10-13-2000 Guatemala entry
11-18-2000 Aeropuerto Juan Santamaria Entry Stamp
12-08-2000 Panama entry
12-08-2000 Cosa Rica exit with postage type stamp
12-11-2000 ? Spanish language entry
12-11-2000 Panama exit
12-13-2000 Bogotá, Colombia entry
02-05-2001 Bogotá, Colombia exit
02-05-2001 ? Spanish language visa or immigration stamp
03-09-2001 U.S. (New York) entry

140. BALHAMS presented a New York State identification card, number 140-614-039, issued March 02, 2000. The card lists her DOB as October 31, 1978, with an address of 354 PTERSN PLNK RD I (Paterson Plank Road) Jersey City, NJ 07650. She is described as a W/F 5'03" brown eyes and brown hair. BALHAMS spoke very good English, and was the leader of these two individuals.

141. The girls approached a shopkeeper in the shopping center and stated they were art students from a school in New York, and were traveling across the country selling their artworks. They had several unframed oil paintings, which they were selling for $130 each. The shopkeeper asked if he could contact them later to purchase paintings, and they replied no, and could not provide a telephone number for him to call. They left the shop, and were seen going to other shops in the area.

142. When interviewed by the FPD, the girls stated they had been dropped off at the shopping center, and would be picked up later. FPD obtained Polaroid photos of the two girls. They were then observed going to a local restaurant, where they sat and waited. At approximately 6:30 pm, a W/M, late 20's, dark hair, wearing bright orange pants met with the girls inside the restaurant. The W/M then left on foot, and was followed several blocks until he entered a maroon colored Ford Van. The shop owner advised that the van circled the shopping center lot for 15 to 20 minutes. The shop owner stated the van had NY tags.

Office of Training

143. There have been no reports of suspicious activities by Israeli art students occurring at DEA facilities or at the residences of any DEA Employee at the Office of Training.

El Paso Intelligence Center (EPIC)

144. There have been no reports of suspicious activities by Israeli art students occurring at DEA facilities or at the residences of any DEA Employee at the El Paso Intelligence Center.

Office of Aviation Operations

145. In September 2000, two males who attempted to sell him artwork approached a Supervisory Special Agent/Pilot at his residence. Approximately two weeks ago, the SSA/P noticed two males selling artwork in his neighborhood. The Special Agent's residence is located in Plantation, Florida.

146. On February 1, 2001, one male, approximately 21 yoa, sold some artwork to a Special Agent/Pilot at his residence located in San Francisco, California. The SA/P wrote a check to Rony SHLOMO in the amount of $125.00.

147. On February 8, 2001, a male, approximately 25 yoa, attempted to sell a Special Agent some artwork at her residence in Northeast Albuquerque, New Mexico.

148. On February 12, 2001, a Special Agent was approached at his residence by a male, 19-21 yoa that attempted to sell her artwork. The Special Agent's residence is located in Miami, Florida.

149. In late January or early February 2001, two people attempted to sell some artwork to a Raytheon Aerospace Support Services Contract Employee at his residence, The employee's residence is located in Arlington, Texas.

Laboratories

North Central Lab - Chicago, Illinois

150. There have been no reports of suspicious activities by Israeli art students occurring at DEA facilities or at the residences of any DEA Employee at the North Central Laboratory.

Mid Atlantic Lab - Washington, D.C.

151. There have been no reports of suspicious activities by Israeli art students occurring at DEA facilities or at the residences of any DEA Employee at the Mid Atlantic Laboratory.

Western Lab - San Francisco, California

152. There have been no reports of suspicious activities by Israeli art students occurring at DEA facilities or at the residences of any DEA Employee at the Western Laboratory.

Southwest Lab - National City, California

153. On September 18, 2000, a female Israeli art student approached a Security Guard. At the same time, the Southwest Labokatory Director was in the lobby speaking with a contractor. The female approached the Lab Director and asked him to look at some paintings. The Lab Director declined and she proceeded to ask him his opinion of the paintings. The female stated that she is a student and works at a studio in La Jolla, California. A few weeks later a male of Middle Eastern decent visited the Southwest Lab selling artwork and spoke to the same Security Guard. The Security Guard noted that the male spoke with the same accent as the female who had visited the lab prieviously. The male left the building without speaking to anyone else.

154. The Lab Director also had an encounter at his residence, date unknown. One male and one female with oil paintings visited the Lab Director's home and wanted to show some paintings. The Lab Director informed the male and female that he was not interested and they left.

155. At approximately 7:40 PM on Thursday, May 31, 2001, an Israeli Art Student came to the residence of Forensic Chemist William R. Dietz. He had a large black portfolio containing artistic pictures. He stated he was from Israel and wanted to know if Dietz would be interested in purchasing some paintings. Dietz asked him to repeat where he was from and he said Israel. When Dietz asked where he went to school, he said it was a school in Israel. When Dietz asked for the name of the school he avoided answering the question by saying he (Dietz) wouldn't know it.

156. Dietz told him that he didn't have time to speak with him further because he was busy, but asked him if he could provide a business card. He said he did not have one. It also appeared that he did not possess any other form of identification or permit to sell items door-to-door. Dietz was able to ask the Israeli his name. He stated it was Gar, or something close to that. The man was approximately 5'8"-5'10" tall; short curly brown hair; tan complexion; and wore an orange T-shirt containing some sort of design and/or words.

157. Dietz's wife stated that she had seen the man coming from the house next door, but the timing of his departure from that house was so quick that there was either no response or he did not even follow through with his visit. Then walked to the other side of the street and away from the house down the street that was perpendicular to the Dietz's house. This street has many cul-de-sacs off of it, but the man never walked down any of them. He merely walked to the end of the street and turned the corner. He was not seen at that time getting into a car.

158. At approximately 8:15 PM that same evening, Dietz had to drive to the store. As Dietz drove down his street, a small blue car (license plate no. 3WAE681) pulled in front and was being driven by a male that appeared to be similar to the man. The car made several turns within the neighborhood, and eventually picked up a female. The blue car's sporadic driving lead to believe that the driver did not have a clear understanding of where it was to pick up the female passenger and may have even been searching for her.

Northeast Lab - New York, New York

159. There have been no reports of suspicious activities by Israeli art students occurring it DEA facilities or at the residences of any DEA Employee at the Northeast Laboratory.

Southeast Lab - Miami, Florida

160. Sometime between August and October 2000, a male described as 5'8", black hair, tan complexion, possibly Middle Eastern decent, visited the home of a Forensic Chemist. The male claimed he was an Israeli art student selling art work. The Chemist declined to purchase any of the artwork and the student went on his way.

161. Sometime between August and October 2000, a male described as 5'8", dark complexion, possibly of Middle Eastern decent visited the home of another Forensic Chemist. The young man asked the Chemist if he had ever heard of his art school in Israel (name unknown). The Chemist responded negatively and the student began to show the Chemist some paintings. The student entered the home, used the restroom, and proceeded to discuss the sale of the paintings, The student advised that the paintings were not for sale, but used to generate interest and support for his school. The Chemist asked if there was a show or display somewhere that he could go to look at these paintings. The student said no and then agreed to sell the Chemist the painting he wanted. The student offered a discount price if the Chemist purchased more than one. The Chemist purchased one painting and then showed the student out.

162. On January 21, 2001, a young man carrying a portfolio of paintings visited the home of a Security Specialist. The young man introduced himself as an Israeli art student selling artwork from his school in Israel. The Security Specialist advised the student that he was not interested and the student left.

163. On February 7, 2001, Inbar KOCHAVI, an Israeli National attempted solicitation at the Southeast Laboratory. KOCHAVI was escorted out of the building. KOCHAVI was later located in an adjacent federal occupied building. A Special Agent, Federal Protective Service Officers and the Southeast Lab Security Specialist identified KOCHAVI as an Israeli art student visiting the U.S. for the first time. Apparently, she is staying with her friend Rani DRORE. KOCHAVI also stated DRORE is a 27-year-old male living in the Kendall, Florida area. KOCHAVI initially stated she was selling the artwork and utilizing the monies for scholarships. Later, she revealed that she wasn't selling the paintings, but presenting them to people and businesses in the U.S. for the purpose of promoting the art students in Israel. KOCHAVI could not spell the name of the school, but wrote out "Bezalel," located in Jerusalem. KOCHAVI also revealed that she served time in the Israeli military as a secretary (A FPS Officer explained that all Israeli adults serve two years in the military upon reaching the age of 18). She claimed she is currently employed as a waitress at a restaurant called "Yotveta" in the city of "Hertzlia." KOCHAVI stated that she arrived in Miami, Florida either Friday, February 2, 2001, or Saturday, February 3, 2001. She stated she flew from Ben Gurion Airport in Israel to New York, and then to Miami. KOCHAVI'S passport has a U.S. Immigration stamp that indicates she landed in New York on December 31, 2000. KOCHAVI was asked about her transportation to and from the area and she stated her friend DRORE was dropping her off and picking her up. DRORE was expected to pick KOCHAVI up in a white van. KOCHAVI was asked about the names of others of fellow students that might be involved in the artwork promotion. She claimed there might be students like herself in the U.S., but she was not aware of this activity in other foreign nations. KOCHAVI provided Israeli passport #7674731. KOCHAVI was released and observed entering a blue van with Florida license plate #IA336J. The registration revealed the van to be owned by Legum YOCHAI of 13753 SW 90th Ave., Miami, Florida 33176

164. On the evening of February 18, 2001, two subjects visited the residence of a Forensic Chemist. The two subjects were identified as one male, 21-25 yoa, 6'0", 185 lbs., dark hair, close cut, neat appearance, and one female, 21-25 yoa, 5'6", 140 lbs brown hair just past the shoulders with a slight perm, neat appearance. The two subjects politely identified themselves as Israeli art students selling artwork. The Chemist informed the students he was not interested. He did ask them for a business card, but they could not provide one. Upon their departure, the Chemist observed the two subjects visit the other units in his building. The Chemist believes one resident purchased a painting.

South Central Laboratory - Dallas, Texas

165. In December of 2000, an Israeli art student by the name of Cohen MEYTAL was observed by a DEA employee sitting on the western street curb of the Dallas Divisional Office selling artwork. The student claimed that a group of Israeli art students (about 20) would paint works of art and sell them at local places of business. The employee purchased a painting and was offered to have it framed by an acquaintance of the Israeli group. The check was made out to Cohen MEYTAL and mailed to the following address:

Cohen Meytal
c/o Calmanovic
3575 N. Beltline Road
P.O. Box 316
Irving, Texas 75062

166. Another DEA employee purchased a painting from the same Israel art student for $135.00. The employee paid by check and the student informed the employee that a framer would be in touch with him. On December 15, 2000, a man named Rosie SISSO framed the picture from the back of a panel van in a parking lot next to DEA's property. There were two men in the van; however, the employee only dealt with one. The framer wanted to visit the employee's home to match the frame to his furnishing, but the employee declined. Later in January, a Forensic Chemist informed the employee that an artist associated with the first incident wanted to talk with him in the DEA from parking lot. The artist wanted to sell more paintings and the employee told him he would canvas the building and let him know around 4:00 or 5:00 p.m. At 5:00 p.m., the employee told the artist no one was interested and the artist left.

167. In January 2001, another employee was approached at his home by two Israeli art students, one male and one female. The students stated they were selling their artwork for profit. The employee explained that he was not interested. The employee canvassed his neighbors and found that one of his neighbors purchased a painting from the students. The Lab Security Officer advised the employee to try and obtain a copy of the cancelled check from his neighbor. A copy of the check has not been obtained yet.

168. Sometime in the first part of January, an employee was jogging and noticed two guys selling artwork door to door. The employee approached the two men and asked where they were from. The two men stated they were from Israel. The employee did not make a purchase. The employee observed the two men visit another home,

169. On March 4, 2001, a DEA Chemist was approached at his home by an Israeli art student selling her paintings. The Chemist gave her his phone number and asked her to contact the Security Officer at his office on Monday, March 5, 2001. On March 5,2001, at approximately 3:00 p.m., the same student contacted the Security Officer, via telephone. The student said her name was Elsa, but refused to relinquish her last name. Elsa claimed she is with a group of twenty art students from Israel traveling and promoting their artwork. Elsa produced a tourist visa. The Security Officer asked Elsa for a call back number. Elsa said she was staying with friends and then abruptly hung up the phone.

Tegucigalpa Country Office

170. On February 28, 2001, a couple attempted to sell at the residence of the Tegucigalpa Country Attaché. His neighbors advised the Country Attaché that a man and a woman in a red car were trying to open the CA's gate. The neighbors asked the couple what they wanted and advised them that no one was home. The couple left the area. No identification information was revealed.

United States Environmental Protection Agency Incident

171. On March 1, 2001, a female went to the residence of an EPA Special Agent. She stated she was showing art painted by international students, which will be for sale soon at an art gallery opening soon, late March or April 2001, at a Cherry Creek location in Denver, CO. The EPA Agent told the female he was not interested in purchasing any artwork and she responded she was not selling the paintings, but trying to generate interest so people would visit the art gallery when it opened. She stood at the agent's doorway and showed the agent, his wife and daughter approximately ten paintings. The agent asked the female if the gallery would be opening at the Cherry Creek Mall. The female stated she did not think so, but that it would be at a location near the mall. The female was described as 5'4", black hair, dark eyes, wore glasses and a long black wool coat. She appeared to be in her mid 20's, spoke excellent English with a slight foreign accent. On March 16, 2001, the EPA Agent was informed by EPA-OIG that a security alert where "Israeli" art students are purportedly going to the residences of Federal Law Enforcement Agents around the country under the ruse of selling art. On the same date, the EPA Agent contacted art galleries, the Cherry Creek Chamber of Commerce, and Cherry Creek North, Inc., to determine if a new art gallery was going to open in the Cherry Creek area. All responded negatively, and said they never heard of a group of international students trying to open a gallery.

172. On March 16, 17, and 18, 2001, the EPA Agent spoke with several of his neighbors and determined the following information: The female described in the above incident and a male, dark skin, mid 20's contacted neighbor's houses within two blocks around the agent's residence. Both of them identified themselves as Israeli art students. No other houses in the neighborhood, or in neighborhoods next to the agent's were contacted. On March 17, 2001, the EPA Agent spoke with his uncle who was at the agent's residence in the afternoon on March 1, 2001. The agent's uncle stated that he was talking to a construction worker next door to the agent's residence when a female with long black hair and olive colored skin, mid 20's, drove up to the agent's residence and took pictures of his house. The female only took photos of the agent's residence and then let the area in a late model sedan, silver in color. She left quickly and no license plate information was obtained.

173. A neighbor of the EPA Agent was visited by the male and female and bought paintings. The check to the male was made out to Odfd WEISFELNER. The check to the female was made out to Guy KEDEM. The female left a business card stating EAG-Guy Kedem, European Art Group, Oil Paintings; Phone number (720) 581-7076; Fax number (303) 336-7006. On March 19, 2001, the EPA Agent contacted Quest Security to obtain information on these numbers. The (720) number is unlisted and the (303) number is a fax.number for Heritage Creek Apartments, 650 South Dahlia Circle, Denver, Colorado.

FPS Information

174. Santa Ana FPS reported to that while at the Starbucks drinking coffee after business hours last week, one of them overheard 2 Middle Easterners sitting outside talking in Arabic, making reference to our building and apparently making diagrams of our building and discussing explosives. Local police were notified.

Tinker Air Force Base

175. On April 30,2001, an Air Force alert was issued from Tinker Air Force (TAFB), in Oklahoma City concerning a "possible intelligence collection effort being conducted by Israeli Art Students". On May 16, 2001, U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI), TAFB, and the Midwest City Police Department (MCPD), requested assistance from I&NS Oklahoma City to a location in Midwest City, OK It was indicated that four (4) individuals from Israel had been encountered by the MCPD attempting to sell art in the Midwest City area.

176. On May 17th, four (4) Israeli art students were reported in the Midwest City, OK area. They stated they were there "to present and promote" Israeli art. MCPD located and detained the 4 individuals, all whom were in violation of their visas. Their vehicle was obtained also. The four were identified as:

Name DOB POB Israeli Passort # US Visa #

Yaron OHANA 02-04-78 Haifa, Israel 8421721 42252049

Ronen KALFON 04-13-76 Haifa, Israel 8168262 35966019

Zeev COHEN 03-26-78 Haifa, Israel 5524033 33331965

Naor TOPAZ 06-08-77 Haifa, Israel 8081705 33306515

All 4 were charged with violating the status of their visas -- to wit selling art, and were booked into the Oklahoma City jail by I&NS. All 4 requested voluntary departure. Bond was initially set at $25,000 for each. All 4 had in their possession, pre-purchased return airfare to Bangkok, Thailand. FBI OKC requested that the "Students" be held for debrief/interview.

177. While booking, a personal check was found secreted between the buttocks of Ronen KALFON. Additionally, in the personal effects of Naor TOPAZ a number of uncashed checks were obtained, several post-dated to future dates.

Volk Field Air National Guard Base, Camp Douglas, Wisconsin

178. On Saturday, May 19, 2001, at approximately 3:10 pm, two Israeli Nationals requested permission to visit a museum located at Volk Field, ANG Base. Approximately ten minutes after being allowed on the base, the two were seen on an active runway, taking photographs. The individuals were identified as Tsvi WATERMANN, white male, DOB: June 7, 1979, Address: Pri Megadim 36 Mevaseret Zion, Israel, Israeli Passport 5728101 expiration date July 20, 2002, U.S. visa class B1/B2 expiration date March 20, 2011, and Gal KANTOR, white, male, DOB: Sep 08, 1975, Address: Kibbuts Ellon MP Western Galilee, Israel 22845, Israeli Passport 9 8261507 expiration date of Oct 20, 2004, U.S. B1/B2 visa, control number 19993358160012, expiration date of Nov 30, 2009. WATERMANN was also in possession of an Israeli Ministry of Transport driver's license, number 7046942, which reflects his first name spelled as "Zvi".

179. KANTOR was driving a 2001 green Ford Mustang, bearing Illinois tags SEU-760, which was rented from Hertz Car Rental at O'Hare Airport in Chicago, IL. A search of the car revealed cameras and exposed film. The film was developed, and one picture depicted WATERMANN in the car on the runway. There were no photos of any aircraft.

180. WATERMANN, and KANTOR were released to the Juneau County Sheriff's Department and charged with misdemeanor trespass. They were subsequently released after fine of $210 each.

181. During interviews, they stated that they were traveling from Chicago, IL to Duluth, MN, stopping enroute to visit a friend in Cold Springs, MN. They stated they stopped at Volk Field only to visit the museum. WATERMANN stated he was recently discharged from the Israel military, and was taking a trip around the world, WATERMANN had in his possession airline tickets with the following itinerary:

April 11, 2001 Tel Aviv - Toronto
April 15, 2001 Toronto - Newark
April 19, 2001 Newark - Chicago
Aug 01, 2001 Chicago - Las Vegas
Aug 04, 2001 Las Vegas - San Francisco
Aug 08, 2001 San Francisco - Los Angeles
Aug 10, 2001 Los Angeles - Honolulu
Aug 13, 2001 Honolulu - Sydney, Australia
Jan 10, 2002 Sydney - Hong Kong
Jan 17, 2002 Hong Kong - Frankfurt - Tel Aviv

The ticket was issued by the Sititara Travel Agency in Jerusalem. The cost of the ticket' was $2,634 (U.S.).

182. Both were asked if they were involved in the selling of art while in the U.S. KANTOR became very upset over this, and questioned why the were being asked about that. KANTOR stated he had been involved in that a long time ago, and had sold art recently while in Chicago. He stated he was involved in a prograrn called "Shasheem", (NFI). Sgt. Kurt Moore of Volk Field stated that when asked about the art sales, that KANTOR's whole demeanor changed, and he then became uncooperative. Each asked to telephone the Israeli Embassy.

INDEXING SECTION:

1. BLAIN, Gat NADDIS negative, occupation: Israeli art student, sold painting to DEA employee in Dallas, TX on 01/04/2001 (Identified in paragraph 22)

2. FREIDMAN, Shabar NADDIS - Negative driver's license (#6728447), ID (#033056433)

3. AVRAHAM, Gerzon Ofir NADDIS - Negative. DOB (08/12177), Israel passport (#6315574), Israeli Ministries of Transport ID (#034193615)

4. L.N.U., Shahar NADDIS - Negative

5. BARAM, Lior NADDIS - Negative. Florida driver's license (#B650-520-76-047-0), 10733 Cleary Blvd., #206, Plantation, Florida, 33324-0000, (DOB 02/07/76), 5'9", dark eyes and black hair

6, COHEN, Hammutal NADDIS - Negative DOB (01/29/62), Israeli passport (#6077838), Immigration departure (#41060016307 02/12/01), 5'8", 145 lbs.

7. RUBINSTEIN, Itay NADDIS - Negative DOB (01/17/79), US, visa (#39127358), date of entry 12/23/00, Israeli passport (#39127358) [sic, see visa], 6'0", 165 lbs.

8. AHARON, Ohad NADDIS - Negative

9. SEGAL, Yafit NADDIS - Negative

10. TOV, Yaniv Sheni NADDIS - Negative DOE (06/02/74) NADDIS negative

11. DOR, Sahlev NADDIS - Negative DOB (08/08/77) NADDIS negative

AJ 12. GROSS, Hagit NADDIS - Negative DOB (09/30/78), Israeli passport (#5111696)

13. SHLOMO, Rony NADDIS - Negative approximately 21 yoa

14. KOCHAVI, Inbar NADDIS - Negative Israeli passport (#7674731)

15. DRORE, Rani NADDIS - Negative approximately 27 yoa

16..YOCHAI, Legurn NADDIS - Negative 13 753 SO 90th Ave., Mami, Florida 33176

17. MEYTAL, Cohen NADDIS - Negative. Address: c/o Calmanovic, 3575 N. Beltline Rd,, P.0, Box 316, Irving, Texas 75062. Addressed used by Michael Calmanovic, identified below

18. SISSO, Rosie NADDIS - Negative.

19. BURKHOLDER, Seth Thomas NADDIS - Negative. 3329 Bartlett i6d., Orlando, Florida, 1995 white Nissan pickup bearing Florida license plate D36-TTQ.

20. L.N.U., Elsa NADDIS - Negative.

21. SMITH, Travis Wayne NADDIS - Negative. white male, DOB (11/09/74), FBI No. 530083DBS (Assault - Domestic Violence) address: 615 S. Hardy, 4210, Tempe, Arizona

22. ESTRADA, Ramon Hispanic male, NADDIS - Negative. DOB (07/26/63), arrested 12/82 "processing marijuana for sale," 5/95 "transport/sell narcotics," 7/95 "transport/sell narcotics, adult giving minor narcotics, " 8/95 "domestic violence." FBI No. 7643 5FAG, CASID No. CA07401218, WASID No. WA17692473

23. GILOR, Yaniv Zacoravich NADDIS - Negative. registered owner of a 1997 Chevy van in San Diego, CA

24. MENDEL, Leviella NADDIS - Negative. 83 77 Tamar Drive, #37, Columbia, Maryland, DOB 10/29/75, Maryland driver's license #M-534-514-009-032, 5'7", 150 lbs. Additional inquiries revealed MENDEL has a new residential address, 4733 Haskell Ave., #46, Encino, California.

25. SILVER, Danny NADDIS - Negative. (NFI)

The Tampa, Fforida District Office identified the following individuals (#26-942):

26. BENDALAK, Orit: NADDIS negative, DOB 10-28-78, WF, POB Israel, 5'7", 140 lbs., brown hair, brown eyes.

27. BEZALEL ACADEMY OF ARTS AND DESIGN: NADDIS negative, Jerusalem, 011-972-2-589-3333, www.bezalel.ac.il.

28. COHEN, Eli: NADDIS negative, 701 S. 21 Ave. #207, Hollywood, FL 33020, DOB 11/04/1977, FL DL C500-200-77-404-0, State of Israel Ministry of Transport card number 03379722

29. , HARARI, Ilana: NADDIS negative, W/F, DOB 4-29-79, 9-29-79, 2-9-79, 14 Jerico itolon Israel, attends University of Jerusalem, 5'3", 90 lbs., brown hair, blue eyes, tattoo of sun on right foot.

30. KENDEL, Rachel: NADDIS negative, White/Female, State of Israel Ministry of Transport card number 7095201 and 034807727, Israeli passport number 6614254.

3 1, KUZNITZ, Keren: NADDIS - Negative. 1818 E. Oakland Park Blvd. #98, Fort Lauderdale, FL 33306, DOB 02/09/1979, 5'5"; FL driver's license: K253-500-79-549-0, State of Israel Ministry of Transport card number 7121535 and 035721844.

32. L.N.U, Nadav NADDIS - (NFI)

33. L.N.U., Tom NADDIS - Negative. White, male. Address: Hollywood/Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. Reportedly sells artwork to Israeli art students.

34. MARZIANO, Assaf or Asaf NADDIS negative, DOB 2-4-78, state of Israel Ministry of Transport # 034086959, passport #552306S, POB Israel, WM, 5'7", 150 lbs,

35. MATATIA, Keren: NADDIS negative (NFI)

36. OSHRA, Sussie: NADDIS negative. (NFI)

37. SASSOON, Sarah Minna: NADDIS negative, 2916 Pierce St., 94, Hollywood, FL 33020, DOB 11/8/1978, FL DL# S250-793-79-908-0.

38. SELLA, Livnet: NADDIS necgative, DOB 12/24/1978, State of Israel Ministry of Transport number 7023400 and 036208023, International Student Idenitity card number S972-204-776-601.

39. SERFATY, Hanan, aka Hanane SARFATI: NADDIS negative, 4220 Sheridan St., #303, Hollywood, FL 33.021, and 701 S. 21 Ave., Hollywood, FL, DOB 06/03/1977, 6', FL DL S613-320-77-203-0, registered owner of red mini-van FL tag # U71 DLD, phone number (954) 478-1006, cellular phone number (954) 478-0961.

40, SIMON, Michael: NADDIS negative, w/m, 11-23-78, Aliebenliezel 82, Jerusalem, telephone number 97226768256, Israeli passport no. 8660008, POB Jerusalem, 6'1", 180 lbs., black hair, brown eyes.

41. VAKSHI, Inbal: NADDIS negative aka Bella POLLCSON, State of Israel Miriistry of Transport License number 7098663 and 036444842, International Student Identity Card number S972-204-775-487, DOB 02/03/1979.

42. ZAGURI, Oshirt: NADDIS negative, 701 S. 21 Ave., 4205, Hollywood, FL 33020, DOB 07/11/1977, 5'6", FL DL #Z260-640-77-75 1 -0..

43. WEISFELNER, Odfd NADDIS - Negative. (NFI)

44. KEDEM, Guy. NADDIS -Negative. This female left a business card stating EAG-Guy Kedem, European Art Group, Oil Paintings; phone number (720) 581-7076; Fax number (303) 336-7006. The (720) number is unlisted and the (303) number is a fax number for Heritage Creek Apartments, 650 South Dahlia Circle, Denver, Colorado. (NFI)

The following individuals were identified by the Ft. Meyers, Florida Resident Office (#45-48):

45. MEIRAV, Zwaig, NADDIS - Negative. w/f, thin build, short long dark hair, DOB: 2/9/76, US VISA control # 20003205620012, Israeli passport 97831088

46. MACHBUBI, Hilda, NADDIS - Negative. w/f DOB: 5/4/79, US VISA control # 2000397210011, Israeli passport # 6530284, FL ID #M211-320-79-664-0

47. SIMKIN, Nimrod, NADDIS - Negative. w/m, over 6' tall, curly hair, DOB: 9/2/77, FL DL# S525-620-77-3220

48, KEREN, Inbal, NADDIS - Negative. w/f, DOB: 7/17/79, US VISA control # 20001710300009, Israeli passport # 6082073

The following individuals were identified by the Richmond, Virginia District Office (#49-54):

49. KEDEM, Eran, NADDIS - Negative. w/m, Israel, dob 10/15/75, 5'11", 1601bs., 12990 SW 74th St., Pine Crest, FL, Israeli ID 4031820079, Israeli driver's license #651007

50. PERLAS, Limor NADDIS - Negative. (NFI)

51. ASE, Shiri NADDIS - Negative. (NFI).

52. KEMETCH, Omit, a.k.a. KIMCHY, Ornit, NADDIS - Negative. w/f, dob 02/04/74, passport 96814521

53. MER, Shmrt NADDIS - Negative. (NFI)

54. BOUZAGLO, Kobi, NADDIS - Negative. cellular telephone 1-888-321-6213 (NFI)

The following individuals were identified by the Montgomery, Alabama District Office:

55. VALANSI, Marcelo, NADDIS - Negative. dob 11/24/77, Argentina passport #26316660, 901 S.E. 1st Ave., #2, Gainesville, FL., 617 E. University Ave., Gainesville, FL., 1436 Washington Ave., Miami, FL., registered owner of 1984 GMC Custom Van, Florida tag T11YZX., Argentina DNI26316660 card 4190961, speaks English and Spanish, Tel # (352)378-1485 (Identified in Paragraph 6)

56. VALANSI, Roberto, NADDIS - Negative. father of Marcelo VALANSI. Salguero 2468, Apartment 15, Buenos Aires (NFI) (Identified in Paragraph 10)

57. VALANSI, Graziela, NADDIS - Negative. mother of Marcelo VALANSI, Salguero 2468, Apartment 15, Buenos Aires (NFI) (Identified in Paragraph 10)

58. SAGES, Ester, NADDIS - Negative. dob 9/30/77, Israeli passport 96470399, Attornet 161, New York City, NY., Hotel Carlton, New York City, NY (Identified in Paragraph 6)

59. SAGES, Elyahu NADDIS - Negative. (deceased), father of Ester SAGES, (NFI) (Identified in Paragraph 9)

60. SAGES, Marjalit, NADDIS - Negative. Mother of Ester SAGES (NFI) (Identified in Paragraph 8)

61. DARDIC, Vanina Erika, NADDIS - Negative. dob 3/5/78, Argentina passport #10581811, 901 S.E. 1st Ave., Gainesville, FL. . Argentina DN126473227 card #J8557, speaks English, Hebrew, and Spanish, girlfriend of VALANSI, citizen of Argentina and Israel (Identified in Paragraph 4)

62. DARDIC, Mario, NADDIS Negative. father of Vanina DARDIC (NFI) (Identified in Paragraph 9)

63. COHEN, Judith (maiden name) NADDIS - Negative. mother of Vanina DARDIC (NFI) (Identified in Paragraph 9)

64. GAVISH, Yael NADDIS - Negative. W/F Brown hair, Brown eyes, DOB: Oct 03, 1978. Citz: Israel Passport Number: 5013766 issued 12-03-92, expires 3-12-2002 US Visa number 20001818940002 Class B-1/B-2 issued July 05, 2000 Expires June 28, 2010.

65. BALHAMS, Meirav NADDIS - Negative. W/F Brown hair, Brown eyes, 5'03" DOB: 10-03-78 Citz: Israel. New York ED Card 4 140-614-039. Address: 354 Paterson Plank Road #1, Jersey City, NJ 07650

The following individuals were identified by the Orlando D.O. on May 3, 2001:

66. SEGALOVITZ, Peer - NADDIS Negative, White, male, Nationality: Israeli, DOB: 03-16-1974, POB Israel, Address: 8187 N. University Drive Apt. 4129, Tamarac, FL, entered the U.S. on B-2 class visa on January 17, 2001. Former officer in Israeli Special Forces 605 Battalion. Israeli Military ED # 5087989. Encountered May 3, 2001 at the Orlando D.O. Occupation: Israeli Art Vendor/Student. (Identified in Paragraph 96)

67. SEGALOVITZ, Dror - NADDIS - Negative. White, Male, Brother of Peer Segalovitz. ADD: Address 8187 N. University Drive, Apt. Nationality: Israel. Identified in Paragraph 98)

68. SABGUNDJIAN, Kathy - NADDIS: Negative. (626) 358-6453 (626) 256-1027

69. SAGIV, Akyuz Shmuel - NADDIS: Negative. White, Male, Israeli Passport # 8710426; DOB: 09-27-1976; POB: Maaloot, Israel; Entered US In New York; PN: 954712-2126. Associate of Peer Segalovitz and Dror Segalovitz. (Identified in paragraph #99).

The following were identified at the Volk Field ANG Base, Camp Douglas, Wisconsin:

70. WATERMANN, Tsvi NADDIS - Negative, AKA: Watermann, Zvi; white, male, DOB: June 7, 1979; Address: Pri Megadim 36 Mevaseret Zion, Isreal; Israeli Passport # 5728101 expiration date July 20, 2002; U.S. visa class B1/B2 expiration date March 20, 2011; Israeli Ministry of Transport driver's license, number 7046942.

71. KANTOR, Gal Kal NADDIS - Negative. white, male, DOB: Sep 08, 1975, Address: Kibbuts Eilon NO Western Galilee, Israel 22845; Israeli Passport 8261507 expiration date of Oct 20, 2004; U.S. B1/B2 visa, control number 19993358160012, expiration date of Nov 30, 2009.

The following were identifed at Tinker AFB, Oklahoma:

72. OHANA, Yaron NADDIS - Negative. DOB: 02-04-78; POB: Haifa, Israel; Passport Number: 8421721 U.S. Visa Number:42252049.

73. KALFON, Ronen NADDIS - Negative. DOB: 04-13-76; POB: Haifa, Israel Passport Number :8168262; U.S. Visa Number: 3 5966019.

74. COHEN, Zeev NADDIS - Negative. DOB: 03-26-78; POB: Haifa, Israel, Passport Number: 5524033: U.S. Visa Number: 33331965.

75. TOPAZ, Naor NADDIS - Negative DOB: 06-08-77; POB: Haif, Israel Passport Number: 8081705; U.S. Visa Number: 33306515.

The following were identified by the Euless, TX Police Department on January 2nd, 2001, (refer to page 10):

76. LIFSHITZ, Gilad, NADDIS - Negative. W/M, DOB'09/17/1978

77. YANAY, Betzalel, NADDIS - Negative. W/M, DOB 09/04/1978

78. BITON, MoriN Miryam, NADDIS - Negative. W/F; DOB 07/14/1980

79. SASSON, Dana, NADDIS - Negative. W/F, DOB 08/10/1980

80. TOUYZ, Keren, NADDIS - Negative. W/F, DOB 08/20/1978

81. TZOR, Noam, NADDIS - Negative. previous owner of 1GAHG39K5SF112662, a 1995 Chev/Spt owned by Gilad LIFSHITZ of 7535 N. Beltline Rd, APt 316, Irving, Texas 75062.

82. ROTEM, Sharon, NADDIS - Negative. described as a white male, DOB 03 -12-77, Israeli passport number 7948317, street address: 6023 Moshe Dayan, Holon, Israel.

83. MAIMON, Maya, NADDIS - Negative. Nationality: Israel. Israeli passport number as 5467894, US B1/B2 visa, DOB 26Dec1978, Issue Date: 18Oct2000, Expiration Date: 15Oct2010.

84.BADIHI, Nofar, NADDIS - Negative. Nationality Israel. Israeli passport number 5640993, DOB 21/03/1979 (sic), Place of Birth: Israel, date of issue: 05/12/1993, date of expiry (sic): 04/12/1995; US Visa B I/B2, issue date: 05Jul 1996, Expiry Date: 02JUL2006.

85. MARABOTTO, Marco NADDIS - Negative. Airline tickets were found reflecting the travel of Maya MAIMON and Marco MARABOTTO from DFW airport to Albuquerque, NM via Delta flight 2238 on March 24, 2001. Each ticket also reflected Delta flight 1944 from Las Vegas to DFW on April 1, 2001.

86. FERNANDEZS, Marco, NADDIS - Negative a.k.a. Marco Antonio FERNANDEZ De Castro Marabotto, DOB 13Apr1977, passport number 99390039611, Issuing State: Mexico; place of birth: Mexico, date of issue: 16Jul1999, expiration date: l6Jul2000.

87. REGEV, Gadi, NADDIS - Negative described as DOB: 17Dec1975, Nationality: Israel, passport number 5454338, visa type: B1/B2, issuing post: Tel Aviv, issue date: 05Nov1998, expiration date: 04Nov2008

88. ARTZI, Eyal, NADDIS - Negative Texas DL 19554509, and an expiration date of 06-27-07. address: 10334 Sandra Lynn Dr., Dallas, TX 75228. DOB 05-27-1977, commercial database shows that ARTZI is the owner of a 1993 Plymouth Acclaim, Texas plate: J75FYB, date registered 08/21/2000, expiration date: 07/31/2001

89, SUSI, David, NADDIS Negative DOB 01/09/1975, boyfriend of Maya MAIMON

The following were idefitified by I&NS - Dallas:

90. ELDAD, Dahan, NADDIS - Negative. W/M Israeli, add: Oak IEH Apts. 1913 Estrada Parkway, #228, Irving, TX. Arrested by I&NS March 26 2001. (Identified in paragraph 39)

91. AFRICANO-Leon, Elsa Beatriz, NADDIS - Negative. W/F Nationality: Colombia Add: Oak Hill Apts. 1913 Estrada Parkway, #228, Irving, TX. Arrested by I&NS March 26, 2001. (Identified in paragraph 39)

92. LIVNI, Eran, NADDIS - Negative. W/M Israeli Add: Oak Hill Apts. 1913 Estrada Parkway, #228, Irving, TX Arrested by I&NS March 26, 2001. (Identified in paragraph 40)

93. OFEK, Aran, NADDIS - Negative. W/M Israeli, ADD: Oak Hill Apts. 1913 Estrada Parkway, #259, Irving, TX., father is 2-star general in Israeli Army. Arrested by I&NS March 26, 200 1. (Identified in paragraph 40)

94, GAL, Michal, NADDIS - Negative. W/F, Israeli, DOB 08/10/1979, POB Afula, Israel, INS A 75-894-941, ADD: Oak Hill Apts. 1913 Estrada Parkway, 4259, Irving, TX, Alt add.: 22 Palisade Terrace, Edgewater, NJ 01020 Tel: (201)224-0797 Arrested by I&NS March 26, 2001. (Identified in paragraph 40)

95. GAVRIEL, Noam, NADDIS - Negative. Nationality: Israel (Identified in paraggraph 40)

96. KRITZMAN, Netta, NADDIS - Negative. Nationality: US Citizen (Identified in paragraph 40)

97. BAER, Ophir, NADDIS - Negative. W/K DOB 11/11/1956, Nationality: Israel, employed by AMDOCS, Ltd., add: 7845 La Cabeza Drive, Dallas, TX 75248, former add: 1125 East Campbell Rd., Richardson, TX, Tel: (972) 392-0473 & (214) 576-5741, SSN: 627-70-0979- (Identified in paragraph 42)

98. AMDOCS, Limited., NADDIS - Negative. add: 1390 Timberlake Manor Parkway, Chesterfield, MO, Tel: (314) 821-3242 (Identified in paragraph 43)

99. DOTAN, Boaz, NADDIS - Negative. 23 Abba Hillel, St. Ranat Gan, Israel, TX president of AMDOCS, Ltd. (Identified in paragraph 43)

100. WHITMAN, Beverly A., NADDIS - Negative. SSN: 400-88-4097, Treasurer of AMDOCS, Ltd. (Identified in paragraph 43)

101. CHRISTOFFEL, Gregory, NADDIS - Negative. SSN: 389-52-850, Secretary of AMDOCS, Ltd. (Identified in paragraph 43)

102. MOSHE, Eran, NADDIS - Negative. Israeli, I&NS A 75-894-459, averted by I&N on 03/26/2001, occup. Israeli art student (Identified in paragrph 44)

103. VAINSHTEIN, Julia, NADDIS - Negative. W/F Israeli, DOB 11/12/1978, POB: Russia, arrived DFW on 03/27/2001, Assoc: Michael CALMANOVIC (Identified in paragraph 46)

104. BORENSTEIN, Dilka, NADDIS - Negative. Israeli, DOB 03/15/1979, POB: Israel, former Israeli Military Intelligence Officer, Assoc: Michael CALMANOVIC (Identified in paragraph 46)

105. NAVAR, Ofir, NADDIS - Negative. Israeli, DOB 09/02/1979, POB: Israel, former Israeli Military Demolition/Explosive ordnance specialist (Identified in paragraph 46)

106. CALMANOVIC, Michael, NADDIS - Negative. W/M, Israeli, DOB 09/06/1-975, POB: Israel, registered owner of TX: L44-CVD, add: 3575 N. Beltline Rd., Apt. 316, Irving, TX., alt. add: 312 Rochelle Rd., Irving, TX, alt. add: 1103 Hidden Ridge #3018, Irving, TX alt. Add: 1913 Estrada Parkway, Irving, TX 75061, alt. add: 11012 Ventura Blvd., Studio City, CA 91604 Tel: (214)882-5196, alt, add: 319 S. 177 Place, 4201, Seattle, WA 98148 Tel: (206) 244-7705, Tel: (214) 882-5196 / (214) 837-3574 / (469)446-1248 (214) 837-5996 (214) 876-1235 (217) 837-2056 former Israeli electronic intercept officer. Arrested by I&NS on April 4th, 2001, Posted $50K bond, (Identified in paragraph 46)

107. SIMON, Itay, NADDIS - Negative. W/M, Israeli, DOB 02/27/1978, POB: Israel, former Israeli military, add: 1103 Hidden Ridge #3018, Irving, TX, alt add: California Associate of Michael Calmanovic. Arrested by I&NS April 4, 2001 for violation of status, posted $50,000 bond. (Identified in paragraph 50)

108. LNU, Gilad, NADDIS - Negative. Tel: (214) 882-5196 (214) 876-1235 (Identified in paragraph 50)

109. LNU, Roy, NADDIS - Negative. Tel: (214) 837-3574 (Identified in paragraph 50)

110. LNU, Mosh, NADDIS - Negative. Tel: (469) 446-1248 (Identified in paragraph 50)

111. LNU, Gil, NADDIS - Negative. Tel: (214) 837-5996 (Identified in paragraph 50)

112. LNU, Gasaf, NADDIS - Negative. Tel: (217) 837-2056 (Identified in paragraph 50)

113. ENGEL, Yoni, NADDIS - Negative. W/K DOB 09/14/1979, POB: Israeli Citzen, Israel, former company commader in Israeli military, arrived DFW on 03/28/2001, arrested by I&NS, St. Louis, MO on April 4th, 2001 (Identified in paragraph 51)

114. DAGAI, Yotam, NADDIS - Negative. DOB 04/06/1978, POB: Israeli Citzen, Israel, arrested by I&NS, St. Louis, MO on April 4th, 2001, arrived DFW on 03/28/2001. (Identified in paragraph 51)

115. ALROEI, Or, W/M DOB 08/08/1978, POB: Israeli Citizen, Israel, visited DEA St. Louis on 04/04/2001, Had Tel: (214) 882-5196 in his possession, Associate of Michael CALMANOVIC & Gil LNU. (Identified in paragraph 51)

116. RABINOVITZ, Eli, NADDIS - Negative. W/M, DOB 03/27/1979, U.S. passport E3701329518, 5'6", 175 lbs., brown hair (Identified in paragraph 51)

17. ADESA Golden Gate, NADDIS - Negative. add: 6700 Stevenson Blvd., Fremont, CA, registered owner of CA: 3LVAO1P (Identified in paragraph 51)

118. SADAN, Ben, NADDIS - Negative, W/M Israeli, approx. 24 yoa, Tel: (214) 562-1110, driver of Israeli art students encountered April 4, 2001 in St. Louis, MO.

119. BEN DOR, Tomer, NADDIS - Negative. W/M Israeli,'DOB 08/24/1975, occup: Computer software engineer, employer: NICE, former Israeli military officer for patriot missile defense (Identified in paragraph 55)

120. GLIKMAN, Marina, NADDIS - Negative. W/F Nationality: Israel, DOB 12/15/1972 (Identified in paragraph 53)

121. AKIVA, Ronen, associate of Marina GLIKMAN, occup: computer programm employer: RETALIX, former Israeli military officer (Identified in paragraph 55)

122. RETALIX, USA, NADDIS - Negative. add: 8081 Royal Ridge Parkway, Irving, TX, formerly known as Point of Sale, Limited. (Identified in paragraph 55).

123. DOR, Hillel, NADDIS - Negative. W/M Israeli, DOB 04/06/1971. Associate of Marina GLIKMAN (Identified in paragraph 55)

124. MILLER, Zeev, NADDIS - Negative. W/M Israeli, DOB 09/04/1971, occup: student/software engineer, employer: RETALIX Israel (Identified in paragraph 55).

125. SHAKED, Barry, NADDIS - Negative, CEO of RETALIX (Identified in paragraph 55).

mazel

8/12/2006 05:40:00 PM  
Anonymous ewastud said...

I would recommend everyone reading RI check out the post by dugoboy on the Discussion Board about a possible synthetic terror attack on Honolulu in the next week. I live and work here, so I naturally have an extremely strong personal interest in seeing that our island is not sacrificed for the sake of a neo-con megalomaniac plan for a broad Middle Eastern war. Let's thwart the Big One now," as I read recently on blog I cannot recall now (maybe Cannonfire)! Give this a lot of public attention and the perpetrators of any such plot, if there is one, will possibly not dare to carry through with their treasonous plans. BTW, a fellow going by the name and title Maj. General David Fridovich is fingered by dugoboy as a possible key in such a plot. He seems to have an interesting past association with the infamous Michael Meiring!

8/12/2006 05:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Part 2 of 4 (Originally from Fox News)

BRIT HUME, HOST: Last time we reported on the approximately 60 Israelis who had been detained in connection with the Sept. 11 terrorism investigation. Carl Cameron reported that U.S. investigators suspect that some of these Israelis were spying on Arabs in this country, and may have turned up information on the planned terrorist attacks back in September that was not passed on.

Tonight, in the second of four reports on spying by Israelis in the U.S., we learn about an Israeli-based private communications company, for whom a half-dozen of those 60 detained suspects worked. American investigators fear information generated by this firm may have fallen into the wrong hands and had the effect of impeded the Sept. 11 terror inquiry. Here's Carl Cameron's second report.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Fox News has learned that some American terrorist investigators fear certain suspects in the Sept. 11 attacks may have managed to stay ahead of them, by knowing who and when investigators are calling on the telephone. How?

By obtaining and analyzing data that's generated every time someone in the U.S. makes a call.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What city and state, please?

CAMERON: Here's how the system works. Most directory assistance calls, and virtually all call records and billing in the U.S. are done for the phone companies by Amdocs Ltd., an Israeli-based private elecommunications company.

Amdocs has contracts with the 25 biggest phone companies in America, and more worldwide. The White House and other secure government phone lines are protected, but it is virtually impossible to make a call on normal phones without generating an Amdocs record of it.

In recent years, the FBI and other government agencies have investigated Amdocs more than once. The firm has repeatedly and adamantly denied any security breaches or wrongdoing. But sources tell Fox News that in 1999, the super secret national security agency, headquartered in northern Maryland, issued what's called a Top Secret sensitive compartmentalized information report, TS/SCI, warning that records of calls in the United States were getting into foreign hands – in Israel, in particular.

Investigators don't believe calls are being listened to, but the data about who is calling whom and when is plenty valuable in itself. An internal Amdocs memo to senior company executives suggests just how Amdocs generated call records could be used. “Widespread data mining techniques and algorithms.... combining both the properties of the customer (e.g., credit rating) and properties of the specific ‘behavior….’” Specific behavior, such as who the customers are calling.

The Amdocs memo says the system should be used to prevent phone fraud. But U.S. counterintelligence analysts say it could also be used to spy through the phone system. Fox News has learned that the N.S.A has held numerous classified conferences to warn the F.B.I. and C.I.A. how Amdocs records could be used. At one NSA briefing, a diagram by the Argon national lab was used to show that if the phone records are not secure, major security breaches are possible.

Another briefing document said, "It has become increasingly apparent that systems and networks are vulnerable.…Such crimes always involve unauthorized persons, or persons who exceed their authorization...citing on exploitable vulnerabilities."

Those vulnerabilities are growing, because according to another briefing, the U.S. relies too much on foreign companies like Amdocs for high-tech equipment and software. "Many factors have led to increased dependence on code developed overseas.... We buy rather than train or develop solutions."

U.S. intelligence does not believe the Israeli government is involved in a misuse of information, and Amdocs insists that its data is secure. What U.S. government officials are worried about, however, is the possibility that Amdocs data could get into the wrong hands, particularly organized crime. And that would not be the first thing that such a thing has happened. Fox News has documents of a 1997 drug trafficking case in Los Angeles, in which telephone information, the type that Amdocs collects, was used to "completely compromise the communications of the FBI, the Secret Service, the DEO and the LAPD."

We'll have that and a lot more in the days ahead – Brit.

HUME: Carl, I want to take you back to your report last night on those 60 Israelis who were detained in the anti-terror investigation, and the suspicion that some investigators have that they may have picked up information on the 9/11 attacks ahead of time and not passed it on.

There was a report, you'll recall, that the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, did indeed send representatives to the U.S. to warn, just before 9/11, that a major terrorist attack was imminent. How does that leave room for the lack of a warning?

CAMERON: I remember the report, Brit. We did it first internationally right here on your show on the 14th. What investigators are saying is that that warning from the Mossad was nonspecific and general, and they believe that it may have had something to do with the desire to protect what are called sources and methods in the intelligence community. The suspicion being, perhaps those sources and methods were taking place right here in the United States.

The question came up in select intelligence committee on Capitol Hill today. They intend to look into what we reported last night, and specifically that possibility – Brit.

HUME: So in other words, the problem wasn't lack of a warning, the problem was lack of useful details?

CAMERON: Quantity of information.

HUME: All right, Carl, thank you very much.

AMDOCS ltd. keyword

8/12/2006 05:48:00 PM  
Blogger blogbart said...

A few quotes from Lou Dobbs on the recent revelations by 9/11 Commission duo Kean and Hamilton:

"If all of the after action reports are untrue, for whatever reason, thats a lie, because they are asserted as the truth by people who knew better, or should have."

“The fact that they would continue, and perpetuate the lie, suggests that we need a full investigation of what is going on, and what is demonstrably an incompetent, and at worst, deceitful, federal government.”

Lou sums up by saying: “Incredible”

Incredible indeed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahv3VdknyZ4

8/12/2006 06:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ericswan, your last post reminds me of Philip K. Dick's The Man in the High Castle.

And - there are plenty of toothpastes without fluoride. Many from "Tom's of Maine" and Peelu are two brands off the top of my head. There are water filters made to filter out fluoride, and supposedly some carbon water filters (carbon block?) will filter out fluoride.

Isn't there a difference between sodium fluoride and calcium fluoride? Calcium fluoride occurs naturally, and some water supplies have that. I think it's sodium fluoride that's added by many municipalities.

8/12/2006 07:25:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

What was all that 77-page FoxNews transcript, detailing the very official-looking evidence of the sinister nature of world Jewry about? Is this how positions are advanced, by avalanche? My evidence weighs more than yours? I realize that I asked Anony a question about his first post, where he also quoted someone else, at length, without attributing it to the mysterious, actual author (and what's up with that--are we to assume that these are the poster's words?), but what kind of "discussion" is that?

Of course I have to ask another question, now that we've had the roof loaded to the breaking point with all this foxsnow. More than any other so-called "news" outlet, FoxNews is a government mouthpiece. This goes beyond the industry standard stenography-in-lieu-of-reporting: this is where they hatched Tony Snow, fer chrissakes! So, if we can safely assume that the government wants you to believe what FoxNews tells you, why would anyone believe anything they spew?

I think it fair to maintain that FDR and Jeff Wells have between them proven that there's no such thing as accidents or coincidence in politics. So, what do our intuitions scream when a strange new
FoxNews/Rense/Stormfront(etc,etc) Axis of Jewish Complicity so fervently want us to believe that maybe Hitler wasn't such a bad guy after all...? And hey, was the scapegoating ever any easier?

Some of you guys might think it's too far out to assume that prominent Jewish leaders would be involved in a plot to divert attention away from the tentacles that run BushCo by selling out their own people, but I ask you, have scruples and loyalty ever prevented hypocritical deviants from selling out their own flesh and blood? If Uncle Tom has a counterpart in Uncle Abe (in this case Foxman, who's very much connected to the Likudists who are currently quite busy pushing Eretz Israel over a large cliff into the Megido Valley, having first neutralized the Left in Israel entirely["Zionism Has Exhausted Itself"]), who's to say it's without precedent?

In fact, the best precedent does come from the US, although it certainly doesn't involve any black folks, well, aside from the ones who're (involuntarily) vacationing in sunny Iraq--no, it's those well-heeled (and if rumor can be trusted, often high-heeled) white boys in the US who are just putting the finishing touches on public relations makeover that no one alive might ever outlive.

Israel is in very deep trouble now, and why? The alleged July 12 pretext belies the fact that the last 6 years have been relatively stable along the Lebanese border. According to Robert Parry, in "A 'Pretext' War in Lebanon":

Provoking a wider regional conflict also revived hopes among Bush’s neoconservative advisers that they might yet create a “new Middle East” that would be amenable to U.S. and Israeli desires and interests.

In this context, the Israeli-Lebanese war was a confrontation looking for a pretext, not an ad hoc response to Hezbollah’s capture of two Israeli soldiers on July 12. That so-called “kidnapping” has been sold to the American people and many world leaders as the precipitating event for the conflict, but it now appears only to have been a trigger for a prearranged scheme.

Israeli sources indicate that Bush gave Olmert a green light for the conflict at the May 23 summit. The sources said Bush has even encouraged Israel to expand the war by attacking Syria, although Israeli leaders balked at that recommendation because they lacked an immediate justification.

One Israeli source said some Israeli officials considered Bush’s interest in an attack on Syria “nuts” since it would have been viewed by much of the world as an act of overt aggression.
Bush, however, is said to still hold out hope that reactions by Syria or Iran – such as coming to the aid of Hezbollah – could open the door to a broader conflict.


When looked at in this light, it appears to me that it's quite possible that some (real or, even further out on this limb, imaginary) entity calling itself "Zionism" has put not just Israel, but Jews the world over, of whom Israel's population is roughly 1/3, into an extremely dangerous position.

Consider this: Has Israel benefited from its actions against the Palestinians, or from its war with Hezbollah? Let’s see…world opinion (outside the media-fed, brain-dead US) is solidly against Israel. This is important. Whatever moral high ground Israel may have possessed is gone, evaporated, probably never to return. Arab anger is also red hot. Hezbollah will emerge from this conflict stronger than ever, Israel will be immeasurably weakened. To those who claim that Israel’s motive was regional hegemony, consider the fact that, in all likelihood, Iran will be the one to pour money and other assistance into the eventual rebuilding of Lebanon, thereby strengthening its power and influence in much the same way that the US did with the Marshall Plan (although one can only hope that Iran is at least a little more selfless in its assistance than the imperialist commie-hating gangsters behind the Marshall Plan were.)

There is also mounting evidence that Israel didn’t want to do any of this, but that BushCo forced them to, and that the corporate media helped in this, just like they did in the run up to the invasion of Iraq. Only now are the hoodwinked former peaceniks in Israel looking in the mirror and thinking, "What the fuck have we unleashed on the world (and ourselves)?!" There's even talk of Ohlmert's government collapsing.

On the other hand, as soon as the Israeli Ned Lamont wins, a new "terror" will probably materialize, maybe even with the assistance of the hard-hitting FoxNews "investigative/announcement team."

8/13/2006 01:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Bob said...

DEFCON 1
WANT TO PLAY A GAME?

Sounds great..... when do you get to eat?

8/13/2006 01:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't get it. In all the reports I have seen so far, they go into some detail about the trail of tracking the suspects through various countries, the intelligence aquired, and the raids made. The reports seem to all suggest that liquid explosives were to be used, yet I have not seen any liquid explosives produced. The PTP seem to have subscribed to the theory, that our official announcement of this consipacy that we have just saved you from will make it real. Yet it is the same as the announcements from florida, toronto, los angeles, etc. that initially caused a media stir and then quickly faded back to the delusions that they came from. This liquid explosive angle really seems to have legs. It will also alter air travel policy to be a lasting reminder of who makes the rules and who has no choice but to follow, if you want to fly. The thing that has swelled the ranks of 911 info seekers is the lack of hard evidence presented by the investigating authorites which has polarized many people, govt included into the my conspiracy is better than yours trap.

8/13/2006 02:49:00 AM  
Anonymous jon said...

excellent, excellent post, irie, on exposing this neo-'protocols of zion' garbage for what it is. every time i've heard that israel was caught spying on the US, i've thought, 'haven't they *reason* to? i mean, after PAPERCLIP, who can blame them?' and the self-righteous indignation of TRUE anti-semites (not simply people who criticize israel for her policies LIKE THEY WOULD ANY OTHER COUNTRY THAT EXHIBITED THOSE SAME POLICIES without making special reference to their being jews) who make these 'points' is hypocrisy at it's worst as they never bother to ask if the inverse is also true: don't we spy on *them*? don't we manipulate *the*? i mean, when it comes out that russia, for example, spies on us today i don't hear these racists start screaming about 'the protocols of the slavs'...

besides, american foreign policy is so toxic that countries as 'close' to us as israel feed that relationship at their own peril, an excellent case-in-point being made in the middle east today with the US using israel as it's hammer.

i thought the bigger story behind the movie "Munich" was how the *US* was protecting the Jackal and not-so-subtly threatening the protagonist even after he'd quit the game....

8/13/2006 05:33:00 AM  
Anonymous jon said...

err..should be a second *THEM* on there somewhere...

8/13/2006 05:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the cuttlefish quote:

When looked at in this light, it appears to me that it's quite possible that some (real or, even further out on this limb, imaginary) entity calling itself "Zionism" has put not just Israel, but Jews the world over, of whom Israel's population is roughly 1/3, into an extremely dangerous position.


Of course. They want to destroy Judaism, Islam, and Christianity at one get-go.


Albert Pike Declares Three World Wars: The Uncanny Long Term Plan of the NWO Carried Out

Even if the letter is faked, it was "faked" as early as 1925, which was very perspicacious I think you would agree for how both WWII (yet to occur in the letter) and Bush's desire for WWIII is about to shape up, they hope.

And if for argument's sake the letter is genuine, then instead of only accurately predicting WWII and WWIII scenarios, it predicted WWI as well--exactly.

With people like blowhard Gengrich declaring gleefully (and getting free press by saying) "its WWIII" , http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/07/342654.shtml, one should be aware AND GUARD AGAINST BEING MANIPULATED by a pre-planned war of the late 1800s, set up by high Masonic plotting to organize hatred between their "religious competitors" and (they hoped) which would remove religions of Christianity and Judaism on one side and Islam on the other all at once.

According to 33rd degree Mason, Albert Pike, head of the Scottish Rite for decades (and connected with the founding of the KKK as well as a Confederate army officer--the only Confederate officer with a Civil War statue in downtown Washington D.C.), you are just playing as pawns in their game if you fall for this transparent attempt to create an artificial war between the religions. Pike had three world wars planned out by the late 1800s. They have happened like clockwork on that plan since. Particularly note Pike's purpose of the third world war, which does seem to be maneuvered into position thanks to the U.S. and Israeli warmongering. On the Jewish/Christian side, Pike noted that those really in command would be those out to destroy and discredit all three religions by infiltration of the leadership and by artificially generating mutual self-destructive wars.

Avoid your hatred, and guard yourself: your emotions are being manipulated in a rigged game. A discussion of this rigged European chess game, with your body and mind as a pawn, follows.

Their project: Illuminati controlled Masonry, World Gov't, in 3 World Wars

Intimately involved:

Mazzini, Illuminati Revolutionary head, 1834-1871

Albert Pike, Grand Commander, Scottish Rite Masonry, 1859-91

Pike writes: "The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry ... It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons, to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees...."-- Albert Pike, in Morals and Dogma

Back to the Pike letter:

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion... We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

However atrocious it was, with Pike's military background in the Civil War and his earlier experience as a troop commander in the failed U.S. invasion of Mexico, Pike worked out an operational military blueprint for staging three world wars and various revolutions throughout the world, which he considered, would forward the Illuminist conspiracy to its final stage sometime in the 20th Century.

Albert Pike received a vision, which he described in a letter that he wrote to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871. This letter graphically outlined plans for three world wars that were seen as necessary to bring about the One World Order, and we can marvel at how accurately it has predicted events that have already taken place.

Pike's Letter to Mazzini

It is a commonly believed fallacy that for a short time, the Pike letter to Mazzini was on display in the British Museum Library in London, and it was copied by William Guy Carr, former Intelligence Officer in the Royal Canadian Navy. The British Library has "confirmed" in writing to me that such a document has never been in their possession. Furthermore, in Carr's book, Satan, Prince of this World, Carr includes the following footnote:

"The Keeper of Manuscripts recently informed the author that this letter is NOT catalogued in the British Museum Library. It seems strange that a man of Cardinal Rodriguez's knowledge should have said that it WAS in 1925".

It appears that Carr learned about this letter from Cardinal Caro y Rodriguez of Santiago, Chile, who wrote The Mystery of Freemasonry Unveiled.

To date, no conclusive proof exists to show that this letter was ever written. However, it would hardly be the first time that something damaging was thrown down the memory hole. (Once Antony Sutton quoted an Illuminati-linking document to the Roosevelt family privately printed in the 1840s, called "The Science of Government by Natural Law", it mysteriously disappears from the U.S. Congressional Library catalogue. Other "disappearances from the official record" have been noted for the famous "Col. House letter" that was entered into the Congressional Record (and subsequently and illegally removed) by a Senator from Montana after WWII.)

Nevertheless, the letter is widely quoted and the topic of much discussion.

Following are apparently extracts of the letter, showing how Three World Wars have been planned for many generations. Note that at the earliest it would have appeared first in the 1925 book by Cardinal Rodriguez, that is, before both WWII and (hopefully endlessly postponed) WWIII.

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions." 2

Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War. On the other British Side, they were working equally the same, in the attempt to surround Germany and set off various events that would first isolate Germany, and then lead Germany into war on a British primed schedule.

For more on that see: "King Edward VII of Great Britain: Evil Demiurge of the Triple Entente and World War 1", ICLC Conference, February, 1995, by Webster Tarpley, http://american_almanac.tripod.com/edwvii.htm ; and "Sir Edward Grey Turned Sarajevo Crisis Into War", by Webster Tarpley
Printed in The American Almanac, March, 1995, http://american_almanac.tripod.com/edwgrey.htm )

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm." 3

On that interesting dynamic see Arvo Manhattan's book the Washington-Vatican-Moscow Alliance.

After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments.

In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China--though only after General Marshall held off Chinese Nationalist Chiang Kai-shek with an American military blockade of China--to keep Kai-shek from reinvading the Chinese mainland. Marshall, under order from the Secretary of Defense in the U.S., virtually handed the Chinese people to the Communists one party state in 1949. Who was his boss then in 1949

The first Secretary of Defense, a position created in 1947, was James Forrestal. He was a banker appointee from Skull and Bones (Illuminated) bank of Dillon Read which is full of Bonesmen. However, Forrestal was not a Bonesman. He is reported to have been increasingly angry as the two faced foreign policy he had been witnessing. He promised to write the memoires to end all memoires about such high level treason and shenanigans. However, he was quickly medically sedated, taken to Bethesda hospital, and quickly "suicided." His full memoires project failed to take root.

The First Secretaries of Defense

1 James Forrestal, from Dillon Read (bank full of Bonesmen) September 17, 1947 - March 28, 1949 appointed by Harry S. Truman, "suicided" for dissention with "the plan"

2 Louis A. Johnson March 28, 1949 - September 19, 1950 appointed by Harry S. Truman, inserted after the "suiciding" of Forrestal at Bethesda. During Secretary of Defense Johnson, Marshall would have been given the orders from him to blockade China until China was consolidated under Mao: the U.S. military basically sealed the Communist takeover of China in other words. Who was Louis Johnson? He was the person who was implicated in the fascist coup against Roosevelt back in 1933, involving the American Liberty League, as revealed in the book The Plot to Seize the White House, by Jules Archer, excerpts here: http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/298735.shtml .

3 George C. Marshall September 21, 1950 - September 12, 1951 appointed by Harry S. Truman; after the "in and out" Louis Johnson, who helped "the plan" for giving China to the Communists under Mao as leadership material. Who is Mao? Why he was hand picked as a leader of Chinese communists and given sponsorship by Bonesmen infiltrated Yale-in-China, in Changsha, Hunan. Mao even ran a bookstore on Yale-in-China, as a form of how Yale-in-China subsidized this Chinese leader after he lost his job editing a revolutionary newspaper. Yale's pick (and likely Bonesmen groups pick) to run China was Mao from the 1920s.

4 Robert A. Lovett, Bonesman September 17, 1951 - January 20, 1953, appointed by Eisenhower (Nazi collaborationist American General, in Nazi North Africa); Lovett, a Bonesmen immediately pops up as Secretary of State. This Lovett is close to the Harriman and the Bush families. Robert Lovett is in the same Bonesman cohort as Prescott Bush. Prescott Bush was a Nazi collaborationist American banker, a traitor--who is the Bonesman father of Bonesman George H. W. Bush and the Bonesman grandfather of Bonesman George W. Bush. The Bush family money comes from Nazi gold.

And as per "the plan", as the Pike document states, Israel is created. It is done on 33rd degree Masonic President's watch, Harry S. Truman, who recognizes Israel--merely 20 minutes after it was declared in a fit of terrorism. There is some implication of a huge bribe/election funding sponsorship involved from Jewish bankers of New York to Truman to do so in his Presidential run. He wins. Israel is recognized.

It is additionally important to note that it was 33rd degree Mason, Harry S. Truman, inserted only months before as a "dark horse" Vice Presidential ticket for FDR's election to his fourth term. Within months, he is President. (That's just what happened with the 'quick insertion' of Teddy Roosevelt as VP ticket candidate for McKinley.

Then within months, McKinley is shot dead, and Teddy Roosevelt is by default President without having to campaign as such.

Teddy Roosevelt is the first President to bring in a slew of Bonesmen into the executive branch Cabinet positions.

Teddy Roosevelt appoints William Howard Taft, the Bonesman-son of Skull and Bones founder Alphonso Taft (with William Huntington Russell) as the first (Bonesman) Governor-General of the Philippines, 1901-1904.

Next, Teddy Roosevelt appoints Bonesman W. H. Taft as United States Secretary of War (February 1, 1904 - June 30, 1908). Taft in this position follows on the heels of Elihu Root--who runs a law firm full of Bonesmen, like Bonesman Henry L. Stimpson, later Bonesman President Taft's Secretary of War (May 22, 1911 - March 4, 1913).

Stimpson was an American (Bonesman) imperialist, straight out of Elihu Root's Bonesman filled law firm (Root was Teddy Roosevelt's Secretary of War) who was appointed under Bonesman Taft to "ready up and expand" the U.S. military right before WWI (even as Wilson, the next candidate, was lying he was "promising our boys to keep out of a European war" very shortly thereafter.)

Twenty years later Bonesman Stimpson is appointed yet once more to the Secretary of War position for FDR, to "ready up and expand" the U.S. military right before WWII, even as FDR was saying he would "keep American boys out of a European War."

[and much more, it's the same people as you can see, that's why it's so easy to do. If Churchill and Roosevelt set up WWI, it was the same two working on getting the U.S. once more into WWII, just as in WWI it was Bonesman Stimpson who readies the army, just as the same Bonesman Stimpson is inserted back in once more to ready the army for WWII. It's the same people.

This is hardly to say that everything is planned. It is obvious that there are

--accidental events in history
--strategic events in history
--and foreplanning in history

I would hypothezise that from 1954 they have been working on some form of WWIII via

-- The Lavon Affair, failed to get WWIII

-- CIA sets up Castro, just for the pleasure of providing a context to attack Cuba, fails to actually remove Castro ever since though hardly from a lack of trying, from 1961 onward (Bay of Pigs), 1962 (Project Northwoods), 1963 (attempting to pin the JFK assassination on Castro), etc.

-- the fake Gulf of Tonkin "non-event", to set up war in Vietnam, fails to truly escalate very much, though makes lots of weapons sales and drug sales money for the CIA

-- The USS Liberty bombing affair, failed, ship and witnesses survive to note it was Israel attacking the ship sent in by instad of the fake story of Egypt attacking, to get U.S. into WWIII

-- David (banker) and Nelson Rockefeller (Governor, New York), brothers, combined to create the World Trade Center, completed around 1972 I think. Rockefellers and Bushes very close. Rockefeller and Nixon very close. Bonesman Prescott Bush, Nazi banker father of George H. W. Bush, Bonesmen himself, is the one who sponsors Nixon into federal politics.

-- failed for years to get their team lined up after JFK assassiation; they almost got it together in 1975--to appoint Nelson Rockefeller as a totally unelected President in 1976, though the three assassination attempts against appointed President Ford (who appointed Nelson Rockefeller as his VP) all failed to work out. Regroup, particuarly after Nelson dies unexpectedly due to Megan Marshank's fear of calling the hospital when Nelson had a heart attack making love to his young love interest. Nelson slowly expires on the floor while Megan calls over a girlfriend to talk about what to do... Bit global evil kingpin vs. two girlfrinds chatting. Girlfrinds chatting wins!

-- 1979 FEMA started, three days early. Started three days early to let the Three Mile Island state terror test of federal police state powers have a dry run.

-- attempt to run George H. W. Bush in 1980, fails, Bush forced to disavow and leave the Trilaterial organization set up by David and Nelson Rockefeller

-- Bush as VP to Reagan, success in inserting himself on Reagan's coattails, though fails in killing off Reagan in 1981, more postponement from being directly in charge.

-- However, Bush as "shadow government president" anyway really from 1981 onward through 1992, Bush and Ollie North and the whole shadow government of attempting to get WWII I started in Nicaragua. CIA sells drugs to the Sandinistas, takes photographs of its sales to them Reagan in 1986 "shocked, shocked" about it; Iran-Contra secret funding of then the Contras, after the CIA set up the Sandiniasta as well. Then did this, point two, because the U.S. told Israel to stop the shipment of arms that Samosa, dictator of Nicaragua and the previous "U.S. man there", had ordered from Israel. It was part of the plan to let the Sandinista take Nicaragua to justify later wars against them in Latin America, same as the "Castro Op" before. That really failed to work as planned either!

-- another failure, 1993 WTC attack, failed to collapse, set up by the U.S. New York FBI office

-- Perle's "Clean Break" plans for WWIII, delivered to Israeli PM Netayahu in 1996

-- U.S. Project for a New American Century documents, wanting to start up WWIII with their New Pearl Harbor desire for terrorism, Bush appoints all the Zionist "Clean Breakers" who get along like a house on fire with the PNACers in his Admin.

And then to the present;

--- the Israeli/U.S. attempt to start WWIII via the "hopes" that Syria or Iran helps out Hezbollah, so that U.S. can close the territorial gap between the Mediterranean and Iraq where the U.S. is building 9 permanent bases. Currently, Iran is surrounded between U.S.'s Iraq and NATO occupied Afghanistan.

-- another failure, 2003, Condi Rice refused to let the American Anschluss sweep from Iraq immediately to Syria--they've been attempting this ever since by hook or by crook.

-- The intentional Israeli provocations to bomb civilians in Lebanon or civilians in Gaza or kidnap the entire Palistainian government is transparently designed to force Syria or Iran to come in to aid, so far they are smart enough, they will avoid "the crazies" in control of both the U.S. or Israel.

Remember Pike's comment.

Their desire would be to destroy all three of the Mediterranean world's religions in one huge sickinging war--Judaism, Islam, and Christianity.

To set the stage for their own ideas of world government, world religion, and different spiritual yearnings.

It's up to everyone to seriously consider just how successfully they have been so far in this multi-generational project.

Though it's up to the present to say forget it to continuing it.

more on Pike:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/07/342663.shtml

8/13/2006 05:54:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Rumour (or is that Cloak and Dagger) has it that our intrepid +error+s forgot the part where you need a passport before you sally 4th. Good luck with that.

8/13/2006 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,
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8/13/2006 10:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Gnarles Aroving said...

DAILY BRIEF 8-13-06

These points have been made before but I notice that some folks out there are getting a bit off-message. Please review, confirm receipt, and delete.

9/11 truth seekers are in the position of any marketer. We have a totally new product. We have to create the perception of need where none currently exists--the need for a satisfying explanation of the events because the facts don't fit the official story.

That is the first part of a three-part message--that the facts don't fit the fairy tale. Karl Rove, or any good marketer, would attempt to boil the message down to a single pithy point that could be repeated endlessly. The single, most unassailably obvious, point that we can make is this: it is physically impossible for two airplanes to have brought down those three buildings in that manner.

Personally, I eschew discussion of any other "evidence," as being superfluous, if not couterproductive. Though I wouldn't specifically proscribe such speculation, I shall consider any discussion or interview that does not make repeated mention of the main point evidence that someone has not been reading their daily strategy briefs. (I think you know who you are.)

The second part of the marketing message is the product itself: a truely independent investigation. Don't say it can't be done. It can. It will only require some adjustment on the part of the gangster class.

The third part of the message must be the benefit to the consumer. This can change with the audience. It could be real domestic security, a return to revolutionary ideals, the fulfillment of biblical prophesy (Bob and Ray will fill you in on that angle--there's still a bit of focus-group work to do.) But the benefit is the most essential part of the message and must always be paired with any mention of the product.

Once enough rinse-repeat cycles have been performed we can drop the first part of the message and just concentrate on the product/benefit one-two punch. (Yes, I know Steve. Boxing metaphors betray my origins. We can't all be trust-fund brats. I'll let you work up the metaphors for the more patrician sports.)

The other thing that needs to be addressed here is the rampant speculation about the culprits. This only serves to divide and confuse. The commission is going to work by the old fashioned motive/means/opportunity formula and follow wherever the trail leads. Speculation as to where the trail might lead, whatever the stripe, will be disavowed as "fantastical" by The Boss, and the entire band.

Especially odious is the Zionist angle because it falls for the absurd "dancing Israeli" trap. Assure interviewers that Israel does not sent troops of moronic amatuers to do black ops and that any appearance that it did was, itself, a black op designed to exploit pre-existing cultural fault lines.

I know we can't put this off forever and I appreciate the grumbling I've been hearing. But Bob and Ray have been kicking around some really creative angles vectoring on some kind of usury=antichrist concept that may have real traction with a number of different religious communities.

I don't want to say more because this is still in the poke-it-and-see-if-it-moves stage. When questioners start crying for blood just fall back on some "healthy chaotic system" blather. That groundwork has got to be laid. (I know. I feel your pain.)

That's about it. I've got to pop down to the Dominican Republic for a couple of news-cycles of golf ;)
so this "daily" is taking a hard-earned vacation....

Keep it up,
Gnarles

8/13/2006 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

The Illuminati interpretation has a certain appeal, this I’ll grant you, but it also contains some rather large lapses in logic, as well as errors of omission. Relying on some unexplained supernatural agency to patch these holes is simply magical thinking. Who knows, maybe it’s even true, but you can’t just surrender your reason without a fight. Before even getting down to specifics, it’s a great idea to bring your skepticism along for the trip, since a buyer forewarned is a believer less eager, a mark less easily swindled. And after all, everyone is selling something—what would anyone stand to gain from a populace terrified by stories of supernatural societies reaching back from beyond the grave to manipulate world “leaders” and events? (It’s hardly a basis for self-reliance and critical thinking, is it?) I don’t doubt that something resembling prophecy exists—modern physicists are discovering that time itself may not be the one-way, linear street it kind of looks like (to us). They’ve even begun to play around with what they’re calling retro-causation, where an actor in the present can go back to affect something in the past, which, seen from the POV of the past, is the future coming to the present. It’s a soup, it’s a pretzel, but it’s definitely you can wrap your mind around, without necessarily falling to your knees, making the sign of the Evil Eye, and wondering why the hell you left your garlic in your other hairshirt.

When you look at the specifics of the Illuminati story with sufficient skepticism (there’s never too much), it starts to look like an elaborate, even convincing hoax. I know that the converted tend to get all puffy and enraged when I express my doubts, which should be another good warning bell, since the truth shouldn’t need such life support, but what does it hurt to ask what David Icke would do for a living if he didn’t have the Illuminati? Upon whose base of power does it impinge to ask what mundane, maybe even political focus the converted might have if they weren’t convinced that the Owl of Moloch was going to ritually devour them if they didn’t expend sufficient energy in warding off its evil awfulness?

Jumping in to the Devil’s playground then, where all the details roam, we come across statements like this:

Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War

Leaving aside for the moment the question of what club hosted Otto playing snooker with Albert, the idea that the political alliances is what “caused” WWI like dominoes of bad debt, is one of the tenets of the Big Lie, which would go on to produce such dancehall favorites as Woodrow (Slim)Wilson crooning “Making the World Safe for Democracy”. It’s bullshit, a cover. WWI was about cannibal capitalists competing for marketshare—the rest of it was window dressing to sell the idea to the public, which wasn’t exactly keen on the idea and needed some persuading. Even the press needed some additional starch in its backbone, which they got in the form of the Espionage Act. One has to keep the historical context in mind. Weird things (at least from the cigar-chomping fat cats’ POV) were happening at this time. Social Democrats were making huge gains politically, both in Europe and in the States, enacting all sorts of people friendly legislation. Things like old-age pension, worker’s compensation and workplace safety, child labor—the list is lengthy, the goals were anathema to the monocled monopolists. What better way to sweep all this highly threatening (of the holy profit margin) humanitarian hornswaggle aside than to start a smashing good war to end all wars? Does anyone remember Victor Berger? He was a leader of the Social Democrats in Milwaukee, a very heavily German city on the eve of WWI—the following is a just a short summary of his story:

In the fall of 1910, Berger ran for Congress and became the first Socialist sent to Washington. There, he attracted great attention for introducing the first old-age pension legislation. But the progressives of his party pushed too fast, too hard for social change. It was actually the issue of women’s suffrage that brought on the first backlash against the movement. At the peak of the progressive movement in Wisconsin, the referendum for women's voting rights was defeated by almost two to one. One frustrated campaigner concluded, "the last thing a man becomes progressive about is the activities of his own wife."

Defeated after one term in congress, Victor Berger returned to Milwaukee to edit his new daily socialist newspaper, "The Milwaukee Leader." But rumbling on the horizon was an issue that would destroy the socialist party-- World War I. Berger and the Social Democrats opposed all but defensive wars. He remained convinced the people wanted peace. "Who howls for war?" , He wrote, "the international bankers, brokers and munitions makers, the manufacturers and speculators who profit from the war. Why should America wish to break into that hellish turmoil?" But once congress declared war, an almost hysterical conformity took hold.

The government pressured all citizens to pledge total commitment to victory. For those who questioned the causes or purposes of the war, there was no sanctuary. Vigilantes harassed people of German heritage. Many were forced to buy liberty bonds under threat of violence. The government passed new laws restricting freedom of speech and freedom of the press.In the first world war, congress passed a law called the Espionage Act but the title is very misleading because it has nothing to do with spying or espionage. What it did was restrict anti-war statements on the part of speakers, newspapers, anyone who might have said anything bad would have subverted the war effort.

Victor Berger, who openly opposed the war, bore the brunt of government pressure. The post office declared that "The Milwaukee Leader" had violated the Espionage Act and revoked its second class mailing permit.

Starting the summer of 1918, the federal government opened Victor Berger's mail and reviewed it. And then, in August of 1918, it stopped delivering any mail to "The Milwaukee Leader, to Victor Berger's offices. That, in effect, would cripple any newspaper because they couldn't receive payments from subscribers, they couldn't receive payments from advertisers, news couldn't come into them through the mail. In march of 1918, Berger ran as a protest candidate for U.S. Senate, vowing to work for an immediate, general and lasting peace, and advocating the confiscation of all war profits.

Berger couldn't use the mails at this time to distribute his campaign literature. He wasn't permitted to rent halls outside of Milwaukee. His posters were defaced. Yet, there was concern that Berger would have a tremendously positive showing. Approximately a week to ten days before the primary for the United States senate, the federal government indicted Berger and several other socialists under the Espionage Act. They indicted him for writing and publishing what was viewed as seditious editorials. Berger made a very good showing in the primary. And in the general election that took place a month later, he received 26 percent of the vote in the state. Over 110,000 people voted for Victor Berger for the United States senate.

Though beaten in the senate race, Victor Berger continued to press his case by running for the House of Representatives in 1918. Just before the election, the federal government issued more indictments against him. But this time, Milwaukee voters elected Berger to congress anyway.Here we have a situation where a congressman-elect is under indictment for criticizing the war effort. So, he wins the election, but he has to face trial. Trial, not in Milwaukee where he probably would have found a sympathetic jury, but in Chicago.

Berger and his four co-defendants began their courtroom battle under the stern and watchful eye of Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis-- who would later achieve fame as commissioner of baseball. Landis had already made public his feelings against radicals and German Americans.

Berger's attorneys claimed that Landis was prejudiced against Berger and Berger would not be able to get a fair trial. And they appealed for a change of venue. They requested a different judge. Landis ruled on that claim of prejudice, ruled that he himself was not prejudiced and that the trial was to continue under his direction. The jury found the defendants guilty. Judge Landis handed down the maximum punishment, 20 years in Leavenworth. While appealing his case, Berger traveled to Washington to claim his seat in congress. He shows up at the Capitol, enters the hall of the House of Representatives and asks to take the oath as a member. Immediately a member calls for a point of order and objects to Berger's being seated. Finally, in late 1919, the House of Representatives votes with only one dissenting vote to exclude Victor Berger from his seat in the House of Representatives.


Now Berger eventually took his seat in congress and won his appeal against his conviction on that espionage rap, but his story, with the social and political currents in which old Victor swam tell a very different story from the hocus-pocus Pike legend. And this is my biggest problem with this stuff—it conveniently excludes from consideration the motivations and the machinations of the corporations and their bosom buddies in the military. Is it a coincidence that the sites which run this stuff (typically, the Rense & Icke Show) have been jiggled by military intelligence, that they also run the Protocols and the Save the Christians meme schools? Who “believes” in coincidence? The next little passage beautifully illustrates the right wing nature of all those pushing the Illuminati shtick:

In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China--though only after General Marshall held off Chinese Nationalist Chiang Kai-shek with an American military blockade of China--to keep Kai-shek from reinvading the Chinese mainland. Marshall, under order from the Secretary of Defense in the U.S., virtually handed the Chinese people to the Communists one party state in 1949.

This is not only bullshit, it’s classic anti-communist (fascist) propaganda. Eastern Europe wasn’t ours to “give”! The truth was that we split Europe with the Soviets in much the same way that Ribbentrop and Molotov divvied up Poland in the Non-Aggression Pact between Stalin and Hitler. We were simply Hitler’s replacement in the general scheme, and since both Hitler and the West were/are essential fascist, a little grey man up in a saucer looking down probably wouldn’t even have been able to tell any difference. As far as Chiang Kai-shek goes, he had his ass handed to him by Mao and the insurgents and thousands of years of Chinese pain and frustration, not the intervention of McArthur. This is revisionist claptrap, pure and simple. It seeks to deny the peasant, the serf, the everyman the right to free himself from the oppression of his political and economic overlords.
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Futhermore, it’s reductionist, magical thinking. Saying things like “Communism (or Fascism, same difference) was created by a group of men in dark room on a stormy night” is so ridiculous that it should make any thinking person laugh out loud, but the allure of a simplistic story held together by magic, the darker the better, is just too tempting for a great many people who don’t buy the official story anymore but also don’t care to engage in the complicated, confusing and daunting task of unraveling the onion of “ordinary” intrigue that surrounds the working of the world. That said, I’m not categorically stating that Skull & Bones doesn’t effect the world in anyway. It’s just that this narrative has some very obvious purposes that serve rather obvious groups. If prison didn’t scare Victor Berger away, then maybe this story will scare his stupid grandchildren enough that they won’t wonder who’s behind the curtain.

8/13/2006 01:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The entire Bible is an extremely powerful subliminal tool full of occult numbers, messages, allegories, and stolen material, which has been corrupted from ancient religions. In addition, this book has been infused with psychic energy and power to instill fear and to make it believable. When one’s eyes are opened and one has the necessary knowledge, the *spell* will no longer be effective. The entire underlying theme of the Judeo/Christian Bible is the establishment of the fictitious history of the Jewish people in the mass mind. What the mass mind believes has power and the energy to make manifest in reality as thoughts are energy

There are vacuum-sealed vaults in the Vatican library containing thousands upon thousands of ancient esoteric books from around the world that have been stolen and hoarded over the years and kept out of public circulation. The Catholic Church, which is the root of the Christian religion, is controlled by a secret society that has abused occult power to enslave the masses. The end goal is the total enslavement of humanity, which they have worked towards relentlessly and ruthlessly.

All of this has directly affected each and every one of us. Humanity has suffered unnecessarily because of the denial of this knowledge. People have been coerced over the centuries into paying for their own damnation to the tune of billions and billions of dollars to keep this lie prospering and continuing strong. The survival and prosperity of this vicious hoax on humanity requires only ONE thing- A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE!

Contrary to what most people have been indoctrinated with, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are relatively new religions. Humanity goes back tens of thousands of years. These three have worked relentlessly to keep us from spiritual/occult knowledge and using this power, of which all of us have.

These so-called "religions" are built upon murder, torture, and lies and the only way any lie of this magnitude can survive is to create more and more lies and destroy the peoples who know the truth. Christianity is nothing more than a program. There is nothing religious or spiritual about it. Millions of people suffer depression, hopelessness, and confusion about life. The soul needs light and very few know this or actively practice the power meditation that will liteThe entire Bible is an extremely powerful subliminal tool full of occult numbers, messages, allegories, and stolen material, which has been corrupted from ancient religions. In addition, this book has been infused with psychic energy and power to instill fear and to make it believable. When one’s eyes are opened and one has the necessary knowledge, the *spell* will no longer be effective. The entire underlying theme of the Judeo/Christian Bible is the establishment of the fictitious history of the Jewish people in the mass mind. What the mass mind believes has power and the energy to make manifest in reality as thoughts are energy

There are vacuum-sealed vaults in the Vatican library containing thousands upon thousands of ancient esoteric books from around the world that have been stolen and hoarded over the years and kept out of public circulation. The Catholic Church, which is the root of the Christian religion, is controlled by a secret society that has abused occult power to enslave the masses. The end goal is the total enslavement of humanity, which they have worked towards relentlessly and ruthlessly.

All of this has directly affected each and every one of us. Humanity has suffered unnecessarily because of the denial of this knowledge. People have been coerced over the centuries into paying for their own damnation to the tune of billions and billions of dollars to keep this lie prospering and continuing strong. The survival and prosperity of this vicious hoax on humanity requires only ONE thing- A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE!

Contrary to what most people have been indoctrinated with, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are relatively new religions. Humanity goes back tens of thousands of years. These three have worked relentlessly to keep us from spiritual/occult knowledge and using this power, of which all of us have.

These so-called "religions" are built upon murder, torture, and lies and the only way any lie of this magnitude can survive is to create more and more lies and destroy the peoples who know the truth. Christianity is nothing more than a program. There is nothing religious or spiritual about it. Millions of people suffer depression, hopelessness, and confusion about life. The soul needs light and very few know this or actively practice the power meditation that will literally "save" their own souls. Because of a lack of knowledge and ignorance of the occult, Humanity as a whole has been placed under a powerful spell using occult power and indoctrinated not to question, concerning these three so-called "religions." This has been reinforced by centuries of Christians being duped into supplying their psychic energy and souls to be channeled into perpetuating this lie, which in the end, will only benefit a select few.rally "save" their own souls. Because of a lack of knowledge and ignorance of the occult, Humanity as a whole has been placed under a powerful spell using occult power and indoctrinated not to question, concerning these three so-called "religions." This has been reinforced by centuries of Christians being duped into supplying their psychic energy and souls to be channeled into perpetuating this lie, which in the end, will only benefit a select few.

8/13/2006 01:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Theres a man with a gun over there, tellin me I got to beware,
Step out of line the man is comin to take you away, you betta stop
CSNY for what its worth
exactly

8/13/2006 02:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no magazines allowed on flights......can you imagine flying and the only available litrature to take your mind off it is the "what to do in an emergency sheet"

and that reporter on fox news "eric shawn" is that his real name...are they taking the piss man....i mean...guh.....say it quick eric shawn......erection

8/13/2006 03:28:00 PM  
Blogger blogbart said...

Gnarles:

marketing campaign is an excellent way to view presentation of 9/11 alternatives.

My suggested slogan is:

"honest security"

to counter the corrupt, partisan, secrecy shrouded security the current killers are selling.

8/13/2006 03:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Qutb said...

Ah, Albert Pike, dancing Israelis and the tyranny of the bankers. Nothing like returning to the RI comments section after an extended break :-)

Though I disagree with everything else he writes, I agree with "rasta" on one point: conspiracy research is a waste of time. Well, to be honest, I agree on another point as well: al-Qa'ida were behind 9/11. The evidence is overwhelming. The contrary evidence is not (I recently re-read Jeff's "coincidence theorist's guide" and I can't for the best of me understand why it sounded convincing to me the last time I read it).

However, a more fruitful pursuit may be to research the conspiracy researchers - much like Jacques Vallee's focus shifted from the UFOs to the ufologists. It's interesting to learn that David Ray Griffin's latest book is published by the publishing arm of the Presbytarians. And by that, I don't mean to imply that he's a disinfo agent of the government. I'm sure he's not. But he's an agent for something.

I wonder if the agenda at work here is to discredit the very idea of secular government. I've predicted that the notion that the government planned 9/11 was going to take root in the bible belt and in conservative religious circles that were supportive of Bush and his policies only a couple of years ago. Now, that seems to be happening. These milieus are already predisposed to believe such things, even more so than the far left. "9/11 Truth" has probably reached its peak among liberals and progressives, but I suspect it's only in its beginning stages in the world of the recently Bush-loving fundies, dominionists and theonomists, and even among more moderate Christians - Griffin himself is not exactly a firebrand fundamentalist. It will be interesting to see where this is headed.

8/13/2006 03:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

qutb=

Quite
Unbelievable
Total
Bullshit

8/13/2006 04:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Insidiously
Raving
Ignobly
Deceptive
Evil
Subversive
Conniving
Entirely
Nontruthful
Treacherous

Cutthroat
Unholy
Troll
Trap
Lying
Embedded
False
Invidious
Seditious
Harpy

8/13/2006 04:12:00 PM  
Blogger blogbart said...

Source: U.S., U.K. at odds over timing of arrests
British wanted to continue surveillance on terror suspects, official says
5:13 p.m. PT Aug 12, 2006

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14320452/

A senior British official knowledgeable about the case said British police were planning to continue to run surveillance for at least another week to try to obtain more evidence, while American officials pressured them to arrest the suspects sooner.

..the official suggested an attack was not imminent, saying the suspects had not yet purchased any airline tickets. In fact, some did not even have passports.

The source did say, however, that police believe one U.K.-based suspect was ready to conduct a "dry run." British authorities had wanted to let him go forward with part of the plan, but the Americans balked.

The British official said the Americans also argued over the timing of the arrest of suspected ringleader Rashid Rauf in Pakistan, warning that if he was not taken into custody immediately, the U.S. would "render" him or pressure the Pakistani government to arrest him.

British security was concerned that Rauf be taken into custody "in circumstances where there was due process," according to the official, so that he could be tried in British courts. Ultimately, this official says, Rauf was arrested over the objections of the British.

The official shed light on other aspects of the case, saying that while the investigation into the bombing plot began "months ago," some suspects were known to the security services even before the London subway bombings last year.

..revealing that the plotters had tested the explosive liquid mixture they planned to use at a location outside Britain. NBC News has previously reported that the explosive mixture was tested in Pakistan. The source said the suspects in Britain had obtained at least some of the materials for the explosive but had not yet actually prepared or mixed it.

8/13/2006 05:25:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Anony,
Good job! At least your acronymical haiku is original. Or has FoxNews undertaken an exhaustive investigation into my cutthroatedly unholy sedition? Why is it you can never discuss anything? You transcribe mountains of crap that you buy from some conmen you're afraid to name, and then you just get mad and call me names when I ask you questions about it. Are we just supposed to swallow it whole like you?

8/13/2006 05:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cuttlefish inked:

"The Catholic Church, which is the root of the Christian religion, is controlled by a secret society that has abused occult power to enslave the masses. The end goal is the total enslavement of humanity, which they have worked towards relentlessly and ruthlessly."

Hahahahahahaha! That's foony! And you wanna know how they do it? By singing "On Eagle's Wings" over and over again. Like 'Spinal Tap,' but much more powerful.

Now you know.

Cuttlefish, we love your stuff! Will you be appearing in the Catskills any time soon?

8/13/2006 05:57:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

that quote doesn't seem to have come from cuttlefish--hell, i could've come from *you*...

8/13/2006 06:15:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

that quote doesn't seem to have come from cuttlefish--hell, **IT** could've come from *you*...

8/13/2006 06:16:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

qutb -

Before you conclude "al-Qa'ida did it," it would be nice to have a working definition of what al-Qa'ida *is.*

I haven't yet seen that one answered to my satisfaction.

8/13/2006 06:17:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

huh?

8/13/2006 07:42:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Anonymous said...
ericswan, your last post reminds me of Philip K. Dick's The Man in the High Castle.

> Like Kafka's characters, Dick's people are forever waking up to a different reality from the one they thought they knew. His world is a paranoid, dissociated, hyper-commercialized realm that many on this side of the millennium will recognize intimately. Twenty years after his death, Philip K. Dick stands revealed as the most prescient precog of all

I resemble that remark!

8/13/2006 07:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Before you conclude "al-Qa'ida did it," it would be nice to have a working definition of what al-Qa'ida *is.*

In french it means Terrorist du Jour.

I'm about sick of the al-Qa'ida bullshit.

I think we need to rename this convenient organization all-K'inds and rename its leader bin Dundarediddat.

8/13/2006 08:39:00 PM  
Anonymous dumbed down said...

EXERCISE IN FUTILITY

Jon, Cuttlefish, Anonymous 1, Anonymous 2 & Qutb.

In written word it is sometimes difficult to communicate sincerity, but I will do my best.

It is natural to be arrogant about ones beliefs, and anyone who takes the time to submit them for public scrutiny believes that what they have to say is important, especially due to the current state of affairs in our world today. It is also easy to be offended when ones views are not eagerly supported at large especially when one feels they are speaking the truth. It is foolish to believe that what you say can sway a complete stranger just because you write it down. Beliefs our established through personal discovery and by a desire to understand, if you truly want to know the truth you will have to work for it.

Unfortunately for our world the type of healthy debate & discussion that has transpired here over the last couple of days will never be carried out in an unbiased, neutral way on the networks.

Categorically everyone of your sentiments are correct, and not in some philosophical way, I will try to explain.

Qutb starting with you, paraphrased you stated (conspiracy theory is a waste of time, the governments explanation makes the most since)

I say absolutely, lets enjoy life, why generate unwanted anxiety for ourselves, besides the government has our best interest at heart, our elected representatives will protect us. Just think of all the free time we will have. This view certainly is correct in a short-sited way.
Especially when we take into account what Professor Carroll Quigley wrote, in Tragedy and Hope:

"There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act…. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960s, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies … but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known."

In other words the total domination of world politics has been achieved by these internationalists and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Anonymous No. 1,
Why has the American public been conditioned that it is taboo to socially talk about religion and politics? Revealing the hidden history of politics, science and religion to the masses is so critical, but as you are aware, the powers that be will never allow this. You brought to the forum many historical points that are important to examine in light of the events now taking place.

Anonymous No. 2
Your are correct, religions and speaking in Gods behalf have truly been the primary method of despotic control of the masses throughout history. By your statements it is presumed that you believe in a spirituality of sorts, and it reads as if it is of the metaphysical, new age worship of the natural world. The “New Age of Aquarius” will not be a place of benign, free, loving and harmonious existence, but rather it will be the worst Totalitarian, ruthless, iron fisted rule this planet has ever known.

Jon & Cuttlefish,

You are being lumped together because you share the same purpose and belong to sister enterprises (wittingly or unwittingly) as does Jeff Wells by his own admission. I want to be perfectly clear in that I am not condemning or condoning anything that makes up your belief systems.

As stated in a previous post, discussion of 911, Bush Family, CIA and Osama conspiracy is important but it is surface at best. Case and Point the bulk of what you our conveying has already been packaged and released by the true conspirators out to the mainstream through countless books & movies (Fahrenheit 911, loose change etc..). Even the mainstream press is starting to discuss these issues more frequently. Total exposure of this generic explanation is forthcoming as a means to and end. The end of constitutional government & freedom of religion, culminating in the moment that you are all working so very hard for, the crowning of the world government.

You have both tipped you hand, as to where your allegiances are. Mankind has been involved in power struggles since the beginning of recorded history and the History books tend to shine a positive spin on the great generals and strategists who have led their cause to victory. However, nothing ever on the scale of what is unfolding before our eyes, it is the work of genius carried out with the greatest stealth and manipulation and that is where my fascination comes in, no battle or conquest has ever come close.

Jon your role to cast doubt as to the existence of a global conspiracy is done quite well. Quick to identify and slam the anti-Semite for discussing jewish power, aipac, mossad, media control or just Monopolize the blog, take it in a direction completely off topic, masterful! Cuttlefish is quick to denounce any questioning of communist involvement or a World Revolution that is “Communist conspiracy” - Jeff I include you in this because you very well could be one of these bloggers and you have identified yourself as a socialist.

For those who think Zionism and Communism are innocuous, this is where your research should start. Ask yourselves why is it sacrosanct to discuss jewish power, history and polotics. The World Revolution is a reality communism is not dead.
Its ironic that the oligarch of capitalism are the priests of communism, but that is what total control and power is all about.

There are a lot of important historical figures that have tried to expose this conspiracy.

JFK, General George Patton, Congressman McFadden, Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, Joseph McCarthy, and countless warnings from the early statesmen, writers and philosophers.

Remember don’t think domestic think international.

For those of you bowed down to Moloch and Mammon in support of this Communist World Government remember the AntiChrist Kingdom will reign for only a time and a season and then the God of Abraham will be coming for you.

8/13/2006 09:20:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

"Jon your role to cast doubt as to the existence of a global conspiracy is done quite well. Quick to identify and slam the anti-Semite for discussing jewish power, aipac, mossad, media control..."

*yada, yada*. that jewish enough for ya?

you're wrong, too, dummy: i did not "cast doubt as to the existence of a global conspiracy..." you are (like you proved yourself to be with the "but-why-jon-why-oh-why-would-the-cia-undermine-AMERICA?" nonsense) a liar.

what i said was: it has nothing to do with them being jews or slavs or anglo-saxon--frankly, i think modern science has debunked the myth of 'race' sufficiently--but that "TRUE anti-semites [are] not people who criticize israel for her policies LIKE THEY WOULD ANY OTHER COUNTRY THAT EXHIBITED THOSE SAME POLICIES without making special reference to their being jews...." i know you are self-admittedly dumbed-down, but how long before that sinks in?

(oh--and i'm not jewish, by the way. if you weren't some johnny-come-lately to this blog you would know that.)

8/14/2006 01:03:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

dumbed down,

You write, In written word it is sometimes difficult to communicate sincerity, by which I take it that you intend no irony when you say things like, this level of conspiratorial dialogue is at such an elementary level and does not address the cause or the motives… it is at the 1st tier of conspiracy thought and it is the type that people newly exposed are cought (sic) up in and fed disinformation of every type. And I wondered what lofty knowledge from the mountaintop is it that grants this guy such sweeping arrogance?

I gotta tell ya I’m just a little disappointed to find out it’s just the same old dime-store NWO/Alex Jones/Rense & Icke stuff—I mean, that’s it? When you do finally start to get beyond the 20 pt. banner headlines, it’s, well, coming from a guy who claims such a depth of wisdom, it’s really embarrassing, isn’t it? Take the following passage, where you’re trying to explain why my allegiance to the comintern (as well as Jeff’s nasty socialism) is so naïve and misplaced:

For those who think Zionism and Communism are innocuous, this is where your research should start. Ask yourselves why is it sacrosanct to discuss jewish power, history and polotics. The World Revolution is a reality communism is not dead.
Its ironic that the oligarch of capitalism are the priests of communism, but that is what total control and power is all about.


First off, dude, I don’t normally take people to task for their writing skills, but don’t you think that if your message is so important you would do well to get some help expressing it? Why should I ask myself why it’s sacrosanct to discuss jewish power, history and polotics? Aren’t we discussing, or at least attempting to discuss these very things? Or are you trying to allude to the hate crimes legislation that has Irving and Zundel and their friends at Rense so desperately unbundling their underwear? My guess is the latter, given the other little Rensian clues you sprinkle throughout your sparse “philosophy.” I should give you credit for attempting to put Rense’s stuff in your own words, though, since I’ve so often expressed my annoyance at my friend Anony posting such massive scads of Rense verbatim, unleavened by his own charming wit, but as constructive criticism I still have to recommend some attention to bettering your command of the language. (Unless English is not your native tongue, in which case I do apologize, as I know exactly how difficult writing in a foreign language is.)

It was actually quite astute of you to glean that I’m not a fan of capitalism, for reasons that I’ll try to (briefly) elucidate, since it has a direct bearing on what it is that I do believe, in terms of the problems we face and the solution I would propose. I am, in fact, quite taken with the character I mentioned upfield, the great Victor Berger, who, along with the entire progressive/social democratic movement that briefly flowered in Wisconsin (people like "Fighting Bob" La Follette and

Frank Zeidler, the last socialist mayor of a major American city) represent the very pinnacle of accomplishment in US political history, which really isn’t saying much, but they were the best we’ve been allowed to have in public office thus far. From today’s vantage point, when the Left has been eradicated from the political landscape, and to even pronounce a word like “liberal” in public gets you funny looks, it almost seems impossible that such things ever happened.

The fact is, DD, that some trite sayings are quite true. What we have in the world today can be accurately summed up by the old adage; The Germans may have lost the War, but the Nazis won the world. I don’t refer to the “collapse of communism”—that’s a complete misnomer, a central pillar in the myth of Free Market Capitalism. In the first place, there has never been a communist state anywhere, anywhen on this planet. They were all state capitalist systems run by privileged, bureaucratic elites. The closest we’ve ever come, aside from some colorful communes and the experiment in Wisconsin that was smashed by the savage American fascism unleashed by WWI, are the vaguely socialist democracies of Scandinavia. As much as I admire the Wisconsin progressives, it’s far too late in the game to try to save the world with such an old idea anyway. Some diehards living in the bomb craters of the Left speak glowingly of Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales, but they don’t stand a chance. This is late stage capitalism we’ve entered, and the trajectory is quite clear.

This New World Order you’re so impressed with is actually nothing more than the Old World Order taken to its logical conclusion. If you want to get all historical about it, where we’re headed is simply the “natural” progression, through all the ages, of what first started when we stopped being able to catch and kill what we eat. All economics is hierarchical exploitation; all politics is the expression of this condition. The most fundamental characteristic of our “system” is that it is based on economies of scarcity. Initially, during the age of the hunter/gatherer, the state of scarcity was a reflection of our capacity in terms of resources, distribution, and allocation. Once we got fertile in that famous crescent that we are now returning to the stone age, all that changed. Now the scarcity became controlled, regulated—artificial. This, in my very humble opinion, is the secret heart of the Big Lie. Everything else is distraction and diversion. All the wars, the existence of the national security state, 9/11 (and every other Reichstag ever burned), the UFO phenomena, the disinformation industry which retails so heavily here on the Internet—every single bright bauble that catches our jaded, and yet still easily swindled eye is a front to keep our mind’s eye from discovering the terrible truth that Jesus, the Buddha, and every wise man worth his salt was trying to tell us all along: the kingdom of heaven is within us, right here and now.

Of course, we can’t get there from here, but that’s only because those who own the world won’t let us. They would, in fact, rather kill us all and/or die trying than let us muddy their carpets, even though the revolution I propose would not involve storming their castles at all. We could begin practicing economies of abundance today. We could still reverse the environmental degradation that the fascist fucks have visited upon the earth relatively easily,
but the window for this is closing. The impending environmental doom is what makes me most nervous, because the elitist pigs bent on killing us are even more aware of its approach than we are, given the technology that’s at their disposal. Since we aren’t privy to what their plan is to stop the earth’s death (and, no, those guys selling you this secret information are all full of shit), we can only assume that before the window closes too far, the culling will commence.

The silver lining in this dark vision is that what we’re doing seems to discomfit our owners, or they wouldn’t bother with so much disinformation to stop it. Also, they still seem to feel some need for pretexts for their acts of murderous aggression; otherwise, we wouldn’t have had all the synthetic terror we’ve seen these past few years. I know—it’s pretty grim when 9/11 can be seen as a “good” sign, but it does at least hint at some level of weakness. The most promising area I’ve yet explored is the intersection of physics and consciousness, which holds the promise of one day using consciousness to effect reality. Maybe it’ll even happen before we’ve been stamped “human bacon”. In the meantime, it sure is nice to “talk” to other people struggling to make sense of this world, even if some of them can’t tell a capitalist from a communist (helpful hint: we’ve got way too many of the former, while the latter are completely fictional, although this might help explain why capitalism is the only party in town.)

8/14/2006 01:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I.C.:

How much do they pay you to spout your crap??

Maybe you should do more opiates and less writing. You would feel less pain, and the world would be a better place without your execrable rhetoric.

Just my ho, ho.

8/14/2006 03:14:00 AM  
Anonymous jon said...

thanks for proving his point, jerk-off.

8/14/2006 03:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear jon/shrub/richard/jules/lupsapien/all the same shill/cutthroat:

And a tally ho to you!

Nice to see you learned your rhetorical skills from Dick Cheney.

Degraded minds think alike.

8/14/2006 04:15:00 AM  
Anonymous jon said...

lol

8/14/2006 06:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Iridescent Cuttlefish:

That was nothing short of splendid. Your clarity of thought and mastery of prose are the epitomy of brilliance. Your Inner Light and Intense Passion piercingly permeate your articulation.

I applaud you for transforming your pain into stunning lucidity.

Shrubageddon

8/14/2006 08:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ir.C.F:

This is from Wade Frazier's website you pointed us to:

"Two of her most intriguing works came from “accidentally” regressing subject to lifetimes where the subjects knew Jesus and Nostradamus. With Jesus, the subject regressed to the life where she was the Essene tutor of Jesus and John the Baptist. Those regressions are produced in Cannon’s Jesus and the Essenes, which is also a compelling account of the times in which Jesus lived. His spiritual mastery was evident as a young boy, something the New Testament also preserved.

Jesus' tutor described the crucifixion and resurrection much as the New Testament does, but deflates today’s doctrine around Jesus’ death. The tutor asked how anybody could pay for another’s sins, and rejected the standard Christian notion of his death’s purpose. He said that we all pay for our own sins. Nobody can step in and pay them for us. He said that Jesus never intended to be worshipped. Remembered and marveled at, yes. He was here to help guide humanity to fulfilling its potential, not to become an object of worship. The tutor also discouraged following anyone blindly, and said that the only devil exists inside us. He said that Jesus would return. When asked about Jesus' philosophy, the tutor said,



"…he feels that love is the only law that one must abide by solely. And after that all the others pale into insignificance. We did not teach him this. He came to this conclusion through inner….what do I say..? discussions with his soul, and deciding how he feels about certain things. Love cannot be taught. It is something that must grow…It is important to not think evil in your heart."[7]

How does a cuttlefish regress? To a trilobite?

Just wondering.

8/14/2006 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Hey Anony!
How's things? Theology today, is it? Okay--I'm not terribly well-versed (or interested), but since you seem to be in a more, can we say "conversational" mood than you normally are toward me, how can I help you? Something about Wade's take on Jesus rubbed you the wrong way? I'm not sure that this exactly the most relevant section of Wade's prodigious output (really, the free energy conundrum and hooked on scarcity are the ones with the most direct bearing on my "thesis," such as it is...)

But you want to talk about Wade's views on Christianity, is that it? I hadn't read that passage which you so keenly zeroed in on, nor am I "defending" Wade Frazier. He is a good source for some thoughts on the role of free energy in the creation of an alternative to this crashing dystopia (although he's such a kind soul he can't seem to bring himself to thrashing Mike Ruppert in the fashion he deserves), but his writing is all over the place.

If you'd like to dismiss the points which I find relevant because some other area altogether offends you, that's your choice. I didn't really expect you to consider anything I write with an open mind anyway, since you can't seem too get over your shock and outrage at our first "meeting" when I teased you about your absolute certainty in your pre-packaged Rense & Icke worldview, but does it not occur to you that all these mindless personal attacks, coupled with your staunch refusal to discuss anything are detrimental to your "cause"?

I imagine that readers of RI probably find you to be a tedious, closed-minded buffoon, and I'm confused as why you'd want to give that impression. Why are you so afraid to talk about things, preferring instead to either download uncut Renshit or to attack and insult everyone on such a childish level that surely even you can see is just, well, funny?

But to get back to Wade's Jesus--my take on his take (just off the top of my head, you know) is that he sees Jesus as not divine, and that the whole of his teachings can be boiled down to the law of love (maybe the Beatitudes in Matthew). Sounds okay to me. I mean, we do "know" that Christianity was sort of pressed into its present-day shape at Nicea and Utrecht, that much was edited out, and that all of this was both arbitrary and purely human in origin, so why does that passage shock you so? (Because Albert Pike wasn't mentioned? Sorry, just couldn't resist...) God's bodkin, man, lighten up and have a discussion and stop acting like an old constipated volcano already...hugs & kisses,
IC

8/14/2006 02:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear IC Trilobite:

You are such an arrogant moron that you think there is one generic "Anony" to whom you and spitlickers like AJ and the Shrub/Lupo/Richard/Jon/Jules psychotwaddle complex address.

You are such fools. I have watched you address "anony" over and over as if it were just one person. We "anony"s are many. And you are among the bootlicking few.

How DOES that shoepolish taste, anyway? Like demerol?

8/14/2006 03:44:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Well, if you could manage to find some kind of moniker it might help differentiate between your many voices...or is that the method to your madness?

8/14/2006 04:36:00 PM  
Anonymous dumbed down said...

Cuttlefish,

I appreciated your retort at 1:29 am, when do you sleep man?

“I know—it’s pretty grim when 9/11 can be seen as a “good” sign, but it does at least hint at some level of weakness. The most promising area I’ve yet explored is the intersection of physics and consciousness, which holds the promise of one day using consciousness to effect reality”

Yes, 911 is the best starting point to awaken the public consciousness. But it is not exposing the mechanism of power and therefore will not change the eventuality of your statement below.

“This New World Order you’re so impressed with is actually nothing more than the Old World Order taken to its logical conclusion.”

Which you attribute to corporate greed and capitalist power gone awry. This view is a misnomer, where is the adhesion to hold the design together. This is not some eventuality based a mixture of economic philosophy and human nature. This is a subversive and self destructive course that is contrary to nature. Its design and the loyalties and secrecy required are far to complex to attribute to a failed philosophy.

When you can produce the evidence, supported by historical facts of who and what controls the reigns of power, I will happily discard my views as corroborated by the likes of Nesta Webster and Douglas Reed.

Compatibility with history is the litmus test.

8/14/2006 07:07:00 PM  
Anonymous dumbed down said...

Cuttlefish,

As you are fully aware and happily so. May 1st 2006 held a trial run of the soon to be Bolshican revolution the likes of which would make Mr. lafollete and Zeilder giddy with anticipation. The date could'nt have been more obvioius.

8/14/2006 07:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The thing speaks for itself....

From today's press conference:

BUSH: First of all, you know, if I were Hezbollah, I'd be claiming victory, too. But the people around the region and the world need to take a step back and recognize that Hezbollah's action created a very strong reaction that unfortunately caused some people to lose their lives, innocent people to lose their lives.

But on the other hand, it was Hezbollah that caused the destruction.

People have got to understand, and it will take time, it will take time for people to see the truth that Hezbollah hides behind innocent civilians as they attack.

What's really interesting is a mindset, is the mindsets of this crisis. Israel, when they aimed at a target and killed innocent citizens, were upset. Society was aggrieved. When Hezbollah's rockets killed innocent Israelis, they celebrated.

I think when people really take a look at the type of mentality that celebrates the loss of innocent life, they will reject that type of mentality.

And so, you know, Hezbollah, of course, has got a fantastic propaganda machine, and they're claiming victories. But how can you claim victory when, at one time, you were a state within a state, safe within southern Lebanon, and now you're going to be replaced by a Lebanese army and an international force?

And that's what we're now working on, is to get the international force in southern Lebanon.

None of this would have happened, by the way, had we had the 1559 -- U.N. Resolution 1559 -- been fully implemented. Now is the time to get it implemented. It's going to take a lot of work, no question about it.

And no question that it's a different kind of a war than people are used to seeing. We're fighting the same kind of war. You know, we don't fight the armies of nation states; we fight terrorists who kill innocent people to achieve political objectives.

And it's a hard fight, requires different tactics. And it requires, you know, solid will from those of us who understand the stakes.

The world got to see -- got to see what it means to confront terrorism. I mean, it's a -- it's the challenge of the 21st century, the fight against terror.

A group of ideologues, by the way, who use terror to achieve an objective -- this is the challenge.

And that's why in my remarks I spoke about the need for those of us who understand the blessings of liberty to help liberty prevail in the Middle East.

And the fundamental question is: Can it? And my answer is: Absolutely, it can. I believe that freedom is a universal value. And by that, I mean I believe people want to be free.

One way to put it is, I believe mothers around the world want to raise their children in a peaceful world. That's what I believe. And I believe that people want to be free to express themselves and free to worship the way they want to.

And if you believe that, then you've got to have hope that ultimately freedom will prevail.

But it's incredibly hard work, because there are terrorists who kill innocent people to stop the advance of liberty. And that's the challenge of the 21st century.

And the fundamental question for this country is: Do we understand the stakes and the challenge, and are we willing to support reformers and young democracies, and are we willing to confront terror and those who sponsor them?

And that's what we are doing.
____________________________

Res ipsa loquitur.

8/14/2006 08:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, we are legion.
Not one but many.

Now anyone hear of the Society of Jesus, or Opus Dea.

Foony?
As another person posted about the universal church.I think not.



From the book: “The Secret History of the Jesuits” by Edmond Paris; translated from the French, 1975:

About the author “Edmond Paris”:
“In exposing such a conspiracy, he put his life at stake.” “Edmond Paris never knew me, but I knew him without meeting him personally when I, with other Jesuits under the extreme oath and induction, was being briefed on the names of institutions and individuals in Europe who were dangerous to the goals of the Roman Catholic Institution. His name was given to us.” “The Edmond Paris works on Roman Catholicism brought about the pledge on the part of the Jesuits to: 1) destroy him, 2) destroy his reputation, including his family and, 3) destroy his work.”
-Dr. Alberto Rivera
(Ex-Jesuit Priest)

“The Jesuits secretly and relentlessly work toward two major goals for the Roman Catholic Institution: 1. “Universal political power” and 2. “A universal church in fulfillment of the prophesies of Revelation 6, 13, 17 and 18.” ¹



The Jesuits (Society of Jesus) are the spies and the assassination squad of the Catholic Church. People who believe this institution to be “religious” or “spiritual” are sadly deluded. It is and always has been political in every respect. It is a political front that operates to control people using many fictitious religious characters and ceremonies stolen from religions predating it from around the world. The separation of church and state mean nothing to the Catholic Church, that works relentlessly and ruthlessly for world domination by any means possible. This institution has been built on mass murder, torture, extortion, organized crime, lies and depriving humanity of true spirituality. It has controlled kings, queens, nobility, presidents, governments, and nearly anyone in power.

There are claims of a “Black Pope.” This is only a myth; a myth to divert the responsibility from the Catholic Pope and his clan of criminals. In truth, they employ the concept of Hegelianism by playing both sides against the middle to gain control. This is analogous to someone who openly preaches against illicit drug use, openly works for the DEA pretending to fight illicit drug use and in secret, operates a drug smuggling and distribution ring right out of the DEA; or a crooked cop. While the Catholic Church openly claims to be a religious and charitable institution, it secretly runs and controls organized criminal activities.

More....

Ignatius de Loyola was the founder of the Jesuits. The Protestant reformation had done serious damage to the uncontested control of the Catholic Church by the time he arrived on the scene. He came to the conclusion the only way the Catholic Church could regain the power it lost was to enforce the canons and doctrines on the temporal power of the pope and not just destroy lives through the Inquisition, as the Dominican priests and nuns were doing, but to secretly infiltrate every area of life.

“The constitution of the Company of Jesus was at last drafted and approved in Rome by Paul III, in 1540, and the Jesuits put themselves at the disposition of the pope, promising him unconditional obedience.” ²

Ignatius was more aware than any other Catholic leader who preceded him that the best way to control a man was to become master of his mind. “We imbue him to spiritual forces which he would find very difficult to eliminate later.” “…forces more lasting than all the best principles and doctrines; these forces can come up again to the surface sometimes after years of not even mentioning them, and become so imperative that the will finds itself unable to oppose any obstacle, and has to follow their irresistible impulse.” ³

One must always remember how the Catholic Church has much esoteric knowledge at its disposal from centuries of confiscating, looting, and systematic removal of these materials from the populace. The Jesuits have used this knowledge to the detriment of humanity. Unbeknownst to most, the Jesuits have infiltrated every country on the face of the earth and have been expelled by many. Through the Catholic sacrament of confession, the Jesuits gained control of Kings and Queens, rulers and nobility. They were even offered important political posts openly. It wouldn’t be at all surprising that blackmail was frequently used.

"Whenever a country was infested with Jesuits, they managed to take control. This was done through infiltration. Soon after, the authorities began consulting them with important issues, large donations would start flowing in and before long, “they occupied all of the schools, the pulpits of most churches and the confessionals of all high ranking people.” 4

"The public is practically unaware of the overwhelming responsibility carried by the Vatican and its Jesuits in the start of the two world wars- a situation which may be explained in part by the gigantic finances at the disposition of the Vatican and its Jesuits, giving them power in so many spheres, especially since the last conflict."

One might ask what purpose war serves when an institution such as the Catholic Church is striving for world rule. Nothing known to humanity changes lives, creates devastation and opens people up for domination more than war. Both sides of the conflict are aided and funded by those intent on establishing world domination and the creation of a slave state. At the end of the war, all countries concerned are at the debt of the international bankers, much of these owned, and operated by the Vatican. This is not to disregard others who are working for the same objectives. All parties involved use each other to achieve these ends, along the way, both despise each other out of greed and seek each other’s destruction so if the goal is achieved, the winner takes all. What they all have in common is the worship of the same “god.”

NOTICE IT SAYS PARTIES all with the same goal.

Now i do agree the next war will make the nazis look like a picnic.
Nor do i think so naively that their is but a slim chance i will live through it all.As dumbed down so kindly offered a good synopsis.

Yes this is fun to sharpen my mind with other who think for themselves.

Nor am i foolishly trying to change minds.

We are all to be allowed our say think and feel whatever they want.

My 2 cents

8/14/2006 08:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is Code name "Legion".Well for today anyway.

Res ipsa loquitu.
Nice catch on that freudian slip.
The subconcious coming through again.

I will add it to the big list.

This is my favorite one.

Bush Insists His Administration Seeking ‘new Ways to Harm Our Country’
The Associated Press
Published: Aug 5, 2004

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush offered up a new entry for his catalog of “Bushisms” on Thursday, declaring that his administration will “never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people.”

Bush misspoke as he delivered a speech at the signing ceremony for a $417 billion defense spending bill.

“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we,” Bush said. “They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”

No one in Bush’s audience of military brass or Pentagon chiefs reacted.

8/14/2006 08:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok i need a proofreader so what?
Call me Spelling Bee.

Moe info on the fun loving Opus Dei.

Islam isn't the only religion to spawn deadly sects. Look at the Roman Catholic Church and Opus Dei
Meet the Catholofascists and seize the Dei.



This summer, the beaches of the world are awash with The Da Vinci Code. It's a daft, mediocre thriller - but it contains two words that matter: Opus Dei. The novel depicts this strange sub-strata of the Catholic Church as the Pope's secret police. According to the author, Dan Brown, they are a mad, murderous mob who pick off the enemies of their own brand of ultra-conservative Catholicism.

Big deal: it's fiction. But Brown has performed a valuable service. He has reminded the public about the existence of an authoritarian, ultraconservative cult that will play a key role in picking the next Pope - one of the world's most powerful men - and has been intimately involved with some of the ugliest fascist regimes since the Second World War. They want to make the Vatican an even more hardline campaigning force, battling the "evils" of contraception, homosexuality and divorce. In developing countries, their influence will mean the difference between life and death for thousands of poor people.

There has been much discussion over the past two years (rightly, in my view) of the totalitarian strains within the Muslim world. The word "Islamofascism" was coined by Christopher Hitchens to describe the fanatics who seek to repress moderate Muslims and demonise secular democracies. Unfortunately, there has been far less discussion about the totalitarian strains - just as real - within other faiths.

Anybody who has studied the history of the Vatican knows that it has long harboured totalitarian elements, manifested from the Spanish Inquisition to Pope Pius XII's complicity in the Holocaust. Do we really think those dangerous instincts have vanished from Christianity?

Opus Dei emerged from this tradition, and it is growing stronger every day. If we do not discuss this, we risk feeding the Islamophobic idea that Islam is uniquely prone to fanaticism.

The group preaches a brand of Catholofascism. If this sounds like a piece of journalistic hyperbole, then you should peruse the history of Opus Dei. Founded by Josemaría Escrivá, an obscure Spanish lawyer-priest, in 1928, it immediately targeted the rich and powerful for recruitment, because they are "more important" and "more influential". The sect quickly became a supporter and key power player within General Franco's fascist Spain, with its members holding (amongst several other cabinet positions) the finance portfolio.

As Opus Dei spread beyond Spain throughout South America, it became a player in a string of fascist tyrannies, most notoriously Augusto Pinochet's murderous Chilean junta. They opposed trade unions and were used as a tool by the Vatican to suppress more democratic and socially concerned strands of Catholicism.

Its religious philosophy is described by Robert Hutchison, an award-winning journalist who studied the movement for many years, as "totally authoritarian". The founder's strange book The Way - the inspirational text for Opus Dei - encourages members to keep their membership entirely secret, even from their families. "Remain silent, and you will never regret it," Escrivá declared.

All members must report and fully confess to an Opus Dei official at least once a month. The group prescribes strict hierarchy and unquestioning obedience. Maxim 941 of The Way demands "unreserved obedience to whoever is in charge" of the sect.

Opus Dei has consistently sided with the powerful against the weak, theologically and politically. It revels in wealth, and is strongly involved in corporate trading. (It was, for example, one of the world's main traders in eurodollars in the 1970s.) Escrivá once said: "Ask the Lord for money ... but ask him for millions! He owns everything anyway. To ask for five million or 50 million requires just the same effort, so while you're at it ..." Throughout the 20th century, there was a battle within the Catholic Church about whether the Vatican's power should be used to help the poor by advocating social change, or whether they should tell the poor to self-flagellate and think of the next world.

Opus Dei has been a major force on the Catholic right opposing social change. When liberation theology emerged in the 1960s - a movement saying that Catholics should be free to think out their own faith and change their social conditions - Opus Dei was appalled.

Escrivá had taught that the poor should remain meek - all the better to leave his fascist friends in power.

Liberation theologians like Gustavo Gutiérrez preached against the "Church of the Rich", the corrupt Catholicism which encouraged the poor to defer to their "superiors". Opus Dei replied with what Robert Hutchison calls a "moneybags theology". Opus Dei represents the ugliest of religious tendency - it coats the rich with a thick syrup of self-justifying superstition, while telling the poor to pray patiently for salvation.

There are still a billion Catholics in the world (most of them in poor countries), and the direction of this battle within their Church - however distasteful atheists like me might find it - will have a massive impact on global politics. (Imagine how different the world would look today if Vatican II, the 1960s reform process, had culminated in approving contraception - a decision that was expected by many experts and theologians.)

Opus Dei is winning. It has established itself as the praetorian guard of hard-right Catholic doctrines, and - because they target only the elite - they have an influence far beyond their 80,000 strong membership.

When Pope John Paul II dies, it will be a key force in choosing his successor, and therefore the direction of the Vatican for decades.

Giancarlo Zizola, one of the world's leading Vaticanologists, explains: "Opus Dei is the only group well-organised enough, working within the power structure of the Roman Curia [the central Vatican administration], that can make a difference in swaying the decision over the next Pope."

The Pope has been lethally reactionary on issues like contraception and homosexuality, but this has to some extent been balanced by his brave arguments for fair trade and anti-poverty strategies.

Given the sect's track record, we can assume that an Opus Dei-picked Pope would take John Paul's social conservatism even further into the political stratosphere, and ditch all the admirable criticisms of extreme capitalism.

Catholofasicsm and Islamofascism resemble each other. At the United Nations Cairo Conference on Population and Development, for example, the Opus Dei-dominated Vatican delegation made an alliance with Islamic fundamentalist representatives to oppose the distribution of contraception and abortion to the world's poorest women. A far-right Vatican is the last thing the developing world needs. The Da Vinci Code is right, at least, about one thing: there are a lot of people out there who should be frightened of Opus Dei.

8/14/2006 09:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes I know John is dead.

Only one more to go according to this:


Only Two More Popes after John Paul II
Prophecies of St. Malachy on the Last Popes


Prophecies about the popes coming after John Paul II:

St. Malachy, Archbishop of Armagh, Ireland, in the 12th century, friend of Saint Bernard of Clairvaux who helped him establish the Cistercians in Ireland. St. Bernard wrote a biography of him in his book "Life of Saint Malachy," and sat with him as he died.
St. Malachy was canonized in 1190 by Pope Clement III.
According to his biographer, St. Malachy was visiting Rome in 1139 when he went into a trance and received a vision. Malachy wrote down this extraordinary vision in which he claims to have foreseen all of the popes from the death of Innocent II until the destruction of the church and the return of Christ. He named exactly 112 popes from that time until the end.
St. Malachy wrote a few prophetically descriptive words in Latin, a motto, about each one of the popes. He then gave the manuscript to Pope Innocent II and it was deposited in the Vatican Archives where it was forgotten for several centuries. Then in 1590, it was rediscovered and published.

St. Malachy prophesied that there will be another two popes after John Paul II:

1- Number 111, "de gloria Olivae", and the Benedictine order traditionally said this Pope would come from their order. Saint Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its fight against evil.

2- And then "Peter of Rome" without number nor motto, the only pope named "Peter", after the first Apostle Peter. And indeed this simple prophecy has been fulfilled, no other Pope with the name "Peter" yet.
"Peter of Rome" will be in extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people.

8/14/2006 09:23:00 PM  
Anonymous dumbed down said...

Anonymous,
Jesuits, the secret police of the catholic kingdom, were instituted to try and keep subversion of the holy roman empire from being carried out and to increase power through universities and by other means. They failed. Catholic Power reached its pinnacle in the 17th century. The enlightenment, and freemasonry were dedicated to eradicating the despotic power of the church. The 2nd and 3rd Reich’s being defeated in battle are a manifestation of the churches weaken influence over world affairs. JFK the Knight of Columbus was a last vestige of hope for catholics, to hold on to any significant level political control. That was blown wide open. The Jesuit myth is easily diffused when you look not only at history but the way Gnosticism is the new religion being purveyed to the masses. If you are talking about deep politics in the dark ages then yes, you have it pegged.

8/14/2006 11:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MEDIA JUSTIFICATION
News from Israel

Netanyahu said that the fact that Israel was attacked after leaving every inch of Lebanon and the Gaza Strip proved that the reason for the conflict was not because of any territorial dispute but just because it exists.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=2&cid=1153292015058&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

8/15/2006 12:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Natural order of progression.SOON THE EVIL IRANIAN ROCKETS WILL REACH EVEN YOU, MR Europe and Amerika.

From the same Jpost article:

Netanyahu also further said on august 14 for the foreign media.

Iran made a mistake by allowing Hizbullah to instigate the conflict. Rather than distract the world from its nuclear weapons program, it convinced much more of the world that Iran poses a real threat.

"Iran succeeded momentarily in deflecting attention from its attempt to become a nuclear power but long term, it had a tremendous boomerang effect," Netanyahu said. "Iran is rocketing a Western country. The world should wake up and see that they have rockets that can reach Europe, they will soon be able to reach the US and if they get nuclear weapons, the entire world will be in peril."

So Iran is next or am i just overreacting.

I am thinking glass parking lot for some strange reason.

8/15/2006 12:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Syria also let us not forget Damascus that prophecied dung heap.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/15/wmid15.xml

Israel humbled by arms from Iran
By Adrian Blomfield in Ghandouriyeh
(Filed: 15/08/2006)

Abandoned Hizbollah positions in Lebanon yesterday revealed conclusive evidence that Syria - and almost certainly Iran - provided the anti-tank missiles that have blunted the power of Israel's once invincible armour.


Almost certainly the other side saw MADE IN USA on munitions being aimed at them.Alas, the article did not elaborate on such non-essential facts.

Could we be looking at the makings of the so called Greater Israel from the nile to the euphrates.With no one left to complain about a right to exist.Stay tuned

8/15/2006 12:54:00 AM  
Anonymous jon said...

anon: uhhh, i wouldn't be quoting "dr." alberto rivera--he's been thoroughly investigated by his fellow protestants and exposed as a fraud (yeah, yeah--the VATICAN [cue thunder and lightening] is putting them up to it); here's what they had to say:

"Alberto Rivera, the alleged former Catholic priest, bishop, and anti-Catholic hero of Jack Chick comic strips, was exposed as a total fraud by non-Catholic (evangelical Protestant) Gary Metz, in two articles appearing in evangelical magazines:

1) "The Alberto Story," Cornerstone, vol. 9, no. 53, 1981, pp. 29-31.
2) Christianity Today, March 13, 1981.

"[T]he Christian Research Institute (CRI), founded by the late Dr. Walter Martin and widely regarded as the foremost evangelical counter-cult specialist, has also done an exposé of Rivera. Here are some excerpts from the first article above:
. . . the Christian Reformed Church, Zondervan Publishers, and the Southern Baptist Sunday School Board have banned it from their bookstores.
Jack Chick states that Christian bookstores are being infiltrated by undercover Catholic propaganda teams who pressure the owner until he 'compromises with Rome and pulls Alberto out of the store.'

"Is Alberto's story true? No! Our intensive investigation reveals his police record, his investment schemes, his bad check-writing, his contradictory testimony, his fabricated educational record, and his reported family abuse . . . Alberto Rivera, also known as Alberto Romero, has a history of legal entanglements. He is currently involved in a court action in Southern California, accused of fraud.

"In 1965, a warrant for his arrest was issued in Hoboken, New Jersey, for writing bad checks. He also left debts in excess of $3,000.

"In 1969 two warrants were issued against him in DeLand and Ormond Beach, Florida. The first was for the theft of a Bank-Americard. The criminal investigation division of the Bank of America reports he charged over $2,000 on the credit card. The second warrant was for the 'unauthorized use of an automobile.' Alberto abandoned the vehicle in Seattle, Washington. From there he moved to Southern California.

"Alberto's account of his conversion is contradictory. In 1964 while working for the Christian Reformed Church, he said he was converted from Catholicism in July of 1952. Now he maintains it was in 1967 . . . 3:00 in the morning on March 20, 1967. He says he immediately defected from the Catholic church. However, five months later, in August of 1967, he was still promoting Catholicism and the ecumenical movement in a newspaper interview in his hometown of Las Palmas in the Canary Islands.

"Alberto commands great respect from many with his alleged numerous degrees including an N.D., a D.D., a Th.D., a Ph.D., and a master's in psychology. However, he is ambiguous when asked where he received these degrees. Alberto attended a seminary in Costa Rica (the Seminario Biblio Latinamericano) with a friend from Las Palmas, but he did not graduate. That friend, Rev. Plutarco Bonilla (a respected Christian leader in Central America), said that Alberto never finished high school in Las Palmas and that he was in the seminary program for non-high school graduates. The school in a letter said they were forced to expel Alberto for his 'continual lying and defiance of seminary authority.' The known chronology of his life does not allow time for him to have achieved the academic status he claims. When Rev. Wishart [former associate of Alberto, and once a pastor of the First Baptist Church of San Fernando] pressed Alberto concerning his degrees, Alberto admitted receiving them from a diploma mill in Colorado. This ended their relationship. Pastor Rasmussen (Faith Baptist Church in Canoga Park, California) also asked Alberto to substantiate some of his claims by submitting to a lie detector test. Alberto said he would: three times apoointments were made for him, three times he failed to appear...."

and so on. more here: http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ343.HTM



i have to (*shudder*) agree with Dummy Down on this one--jesuit power was broken 200 years ago. not *within* the church, maybe, but your average joe-sixpack will probably never even *meet* a jesuit during his lifetime.

8/15/2006 01:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IC's quotes

1.

"The Illuminati interpretation has a certain appeal, this I’ll grant you, but it also contains some rather large lapses in logic, as well as errors of omission. Relying on some unexplained supernatural agency to patch these holes is simply magical thinking. Who knows, maybe it’s even true, but you can’t just surrender your reason without a fight."

Just unpacking all your cantilevered assumptions here and showing how they are balanced on each other--would take a lifetime. I don't see why in the world you want to psychologically conflate all these things. I don't see one link among any of the topics you put above as being "required" to be in oppostion to one another.

2. "When you look at the specifics of the Illuminati story with sufficient skepticism (there’s never too much), it starts to look like an elaborate, even convincing hoax."

Since you provide no evidence of it being a hoax, I assume you would admit you prove nothing.

Weishaupt's own quote was that if the Illuminati was ever disbanded in a forced sense, that he told his laywer fellow member friend that it would come back doubly powerful in a year, the way he had already arranged it. This is in his own words. Besides, "disbanding the Illuminati" basically meant.....GIVE SOME OF THEM GOVERNMENT PENSIONS, AND MAKE THEM MOVE 50 MILES AWAY. That's all it meant. Many of them took their government pensions, and many of them were aristocratic families as well, independently wealthy.

3.

"I know that the converted tend to get all puffy and enraged when I express my doubts, which should be another good warning bell, since the truth shouldn’t need such life support, but what does it hurt to ask what David Icke would do for a living if he didn’t have the Illuminati? Upon whose base of power does it impinge to ask what mundane, maybe even political focus the converted might have if they weren’t convinced that the Owl of Moloch was going to ritually devour them if they didn’t expend sufficient energy in warding off its evil awfulness?"

I've often noticed that people resort to character assassination when they don't have any facts to back up their point, haven't you? You sound like Bush cornered about the Iraqi WMDs.

4.

"It’s bullshit, a cover. WWI was about cannibal capitalists competing for marketshare—the rest of it was window dressing to sell the idea to the public, which wasn’t exactly keen on the idea and needed some persuading."

And those 'cannibal capitalists' were.....Illuminati. And many of them linked to Skull and Bonesmen, or trained by them.


5.

"One has to keep the historical context in mind. Weird things (at least from the cigar-chomping fat cats’ POV) were happening at this time. Social Democrats were making huge gains politically, both in Europe and in the States, enacting all sorts of people friendly legislation."

Um, I suggest you read those articles I linked to before you speil out what is very clearly a story you personally identify with a bit "too closely" I would say. Not that I disagree with it. Though personally identifiying with a historical narrative really is a way you will seldom understand the interactive subjectivities of any historical process.

6. Your Victor Berger thing has absolutely nothing to do with what you set out to show, that the Illuminati was a hoax. It's pretty, though its pretty non-sequitur.

"He remained convinced the people wanted peace. "Who howls for war?" , He wrote, "the international bankers, brokers and munitions makers, the manufacturers and speculators who profit from the war. Why should America wish to break into that hellish turmoil?" But once congress declared war, an almost hysterical conformity took hold."

Er, and they are...Illuminized groups.

7.

"Now Berger eventually took his seat in congress and won his appeal against his conviction on that espionage rap, but his story, with the social and political currents in which old Victor swam tell a very different story from the hocus-pocus Pike legend."

Exhibit B on my silly theory about people resorting to character defamation when they are scared or lack evidence to prove their point...

8.

"And this is my biggest problem with this stuff—it conveniently excludes from consideration the motivations and the machinations of the corporations and their bosom buddies in the military.

Er, and they are.....Illuminized. Once more, a false dichotomy.

9.

"The next little passage beautifully illustrates the right wing nature of all those pushing the Illuminati shtick:"

Exhibit C, character defamation as a ruse to disguise lack of evidentiary argument....

10.

In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China--though only after General Marshall held off Chinese Nationalist Chiang Kai-shek with an American military blockade of China--to keep Kai-shek from reinvading the Chinese mainland. Marshall, under order from the Secretary of Defense in the U.S., virtually handed the Chinese people to the Communists one party state in 1949.

This is not only bullshit, it’s classic anti-communist (fascist) propaganda. Eastern Europe wasn’t ours to “give”!"

Er, attempt to be a little less emotional.

I suggest you look up the 1943 Postwar Conference that was held in Canada. Everything I was saying is true and documented. The decisions to give Eastern Europe to expand the USSR totalitarian state (not a leftist state--just whoring with that ideology) was a U.S. decision mostly. And Yalta did the rest.

11.

"The truth was that we split Europe with the Soviets in much the same way that Ribbentrop and Molotov divvied up Poland in the Non-Aggression Pact between Stalin and Hitler. We were simply Hitler’s replacement in the general scheme, and since both Hitler and the West were/are essential fascist,"

Um, do you often disagree with yourself, just like you did here? First you say "it wasn't 'ours' to give (whoever 'us' is here), then you say it was.

12.

"As far as Chiang Kai-shek goes, he had his ass handed to him by Mao and the insurgents and thousands of years of Chinese pain and frustration, not the intervention of McArthur."

Um, I suggest you should know a lot more about the 25 years of Chinese Civil War dynamics than this little capsule explanation.

13.

"This is revisionist claptrap, pure and simple. It seeks to deny the peasant, the serf, the everyman the right to free himself from the oppression of his political and economic overlords.

Ah! Finally, it took you a while to say it, you should have said it earlier. I don't think that writing a more accurate history about secret societies influences on subverting these groups per se is as heretical as you want it to be. You make the false connection that history has to be some sort of pep rally? Grow up. History is mean, evil, and pretty much amoral. Grow up--not to like it, or accept it, though simply to understand that this is going on outside your pep rally view of history.

14.

"Futhermore, it’s reductionist, magical thinking. Saying things like “Communism (or Fascism, same difference) was created by a group of men in dark room on a stormy night” is so ridiculous that it should make any thinking person laugh out loud, but the allure of a simplistic story held together by magic,..."

You're the one who relies on introducing a term that has nothing to do with anything. You're the one who wants to reduce history to the pep rally of the serfs, to coin a phrase, and anything that makes the serfs depressed is burnt like a book of heresy. History is more than a pep rally for the serfs, IC.


15.

"That said, I’m not categorically stating that Skull & Bones doesn’t effect the world in anyway. It’s just that this narrative has some very obvious purposes that serve rather obvious groups. If prison didn’t scare Victor Berger away, then maybe this story will scare his stupid grandchildren enough that they won’t wonder who’s behind the curtain."

There you go with that "history is a pep rally, and burn the rest if it makes you depressed" theory of yours again. You get nothing except your own delusions comforted instead of challenged there.

IC, I think there is a major conceptual difficulty here, with you attempting to write the slanted history, instead of me. Simply because you (as well as I) support open transparent institutions is little insight into the way peoples' psychologies operate when they want to destroy them. I think that is what we are pondering in RI here.

As 'dumb downed' so appropriately noted his (unsouced) Tragedy and Hope quote:

"There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act…. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960s, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies … but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known."

another quote from it concerns his take on their CFR related desires to dominate the entire planet thorugh privately owned central banks across all countries.

Tragedy and Hope was PULPED when it was first printed. No one could get it. The publisher, against the contract, then destroyed the type mechanism set (what's that called?) for making more.

I suggest you get off your "magic" thingy. What you wrote was not very convincing.

8/15/2006 03:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Anonymous 3:23,

Don't waste your time or your breath on Iratedecadent Rothschild.

She/he/it is a professional disinfo journalist, probably stoked up on S&B smack, spewing out newspeak and doublethink for the idiots to gobble up, or for well-meaning people like you to become distracted and derailed by.

Save your energy and plow more fertile fields. This blog is a shit swamp of lies you could just as easily get from the mainstream media. It's what the French called an oubliette. A trap door into the underground sewer.

I, for one, am outta here. You would be well-advised to consider the same.

Peace, love, and understanding.

That's the greatest threat to these mofo's. And I include the Jon/Jules/Lupo/Richard/Shrub psychobabbling wanker who is IC's chief cheerleader and bootlick as another of the same ilk, thoug perhaps merely a deranged amateur wannabe.

In either case, it's all the same sheit.

Go outside and look at the sky, feel your feet on the earth, smell the air (for better or worse), and do something more likely to yield productive results.

This place is like smoking cigarettes. It is an illness that is oddly habit-forming, and unquestionably bad for your physical, mental, and spiritual health.

Like Elvis almost said:

What's so scary 'bout peace, love, and understanding.......whoa-oh.


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8/15/2006 03:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

Not that it matters, but...

Yes, I do tend to agree with much of what is said by some of the other regulars here that I'm being lumped in with as the "psychobabbling wanker", although certainly not all of it, and often not in the way it is presented. Hell, I have serious issues with some of the things I have written, in retrospect. Usually it's something that I've spewed out in haste (almost typed 'hate' there, for those who would like to play the shrink for me), and more an emotional outburst than a well considered point.

In any case, I also tend to agree, on occasion, with the comments by the Anon's (it's tough to keep strait who's saying what at times), but I find it difficult to bring myself to say so, due to the heavy doses of belligerence and condescension they mix in with their wisdom. To be fair, I also see this in many of the comments of Mr. Cuttlefish and my fellow lickers-of-his-boots, though it’s not as pervasive. That, and they tend to be more entertaining (yeah, I know, a shallow reason to side with them, but there you have it).

I guess my point is, it’s difficult to believe that anyone who is channeling such a constant stream of bile is really tuned into anything resembling the truth.

I do, wholeheartedly, agree with the above:

“Go outside and look at the sky, feel your feet on the earth, smell the air (for better or worse), and do something more likely to yield productive results.”

Peace (and love and understanding).

8/15/2006 05:45:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Er, and they are...Illuminized groups.

Brilliant refutation, Anony!

8/16/2006 02:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First off I have to agree somewhat with the elites (illuminized if you prefer) seizing socialism as a means to end. To concentrate wealth and power. Socialism in any form suppresses freedom and increases dependence on those higher up the ladder who get to decide how all of the benefits are re-distrubuted to the downtrodden masses. I was under the impression that most of the people who would be attracted to this blog would support freedom of thought, speech, assembly, education, press, healthcare, etc. as in shining a light on the things in the shadows for all to see. Basically the more informed choices I can make, the more freedom I have. Socialism leads to fewer and fewer choices for all people in every aspect of life. The repression of socialism as a political choice in the US is unfortunate and unnecessary. It collapses on its own every time. Fiat money does also, and although related, there are many other sources for that topic.
On the subject of Quigly's book, he has this to say about the suppression of it


The original edition published by Macmillan in 1966 sold about 8800 copies and sales were picking up in 1968 when they "ran out of stock," as they told me (but in 1974, when I went after them with a lawyer, they told me that they had destroyed the plates in 1968). They lied to me for six years, telling me that they would re-print when they got 2000 orders, which could never happen because they told anyone who asked that it was out of print and would not be reprinted. They denied this until I sent them xerox copies of such replies to libraries, at which they told me it was a clerk's error. In other words they lied to me but prevented me from regaining the publication rights by doing so (on OP [out of print] rights revert to holder of copyright, but on OS [out of stock] they do not.) . . . Powerful influences in this country want me, or at least my work, suppressed.

Letter to Peter Sutherland, December 9, 1975; reprinted in Conspiracy Digest (Summer 1976), and reprinted again in American Opinion (April 1983), p. 29.

From anectdotal sources
a friend of Quigley's, and that at the end of his life, Quigley had concluded that the people he had dealt with in the book were not really public benefactors, as he had believed when he wrote it. According to the anonymous writer, Quigley had come to think of them in the same way that Allen did, and that Quigley had been very fearful of reprisals toward the end of his life.
He upset some people, that much is clear.
For some intresting insights to other alternative versions of history try Fire in the Minds of Men: Origins of the Revolutionary Faith by James Billington

Anthony Sutton also writes very well researched books and his Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development and Wall Street and the rise of Hitler both show illuminati financing thier friends and "enemies"

The following is also very relevant
“A successful conspiracy is one which is so in tune with the faith and aspirations of its day that it offers to men the fulfillment of the ideals of the age. It is an illusion to believe that dangerous or successful conspiracies represent no more than a small, hidden circle of diabolical men who are manipulating the world into ruin. Such groups often exist, but they only exist and succeed because their plan and hope is closely tied to the public dream and the faith of the age. If the threat were only from small circles of hidden men, then our problem would be easy. Then, as Burton Blumert has observed, "if we only unmasked the conspiracy, all our problems would be solved, but if the trouble is in all of us, then we really are in trouble."

Careful what you wish for.
Peace

8/16/2006 06:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Careful what you wish for.

Would you be so kind as to elaborate on this statement? Does not the same apply to you, as well? Should you not be careful what you wish for? How do you know for certain that you are not being used by some other nefarious group to peddle disinformation about the Illuminati, thus creating an unwitting diversion that allows this heretofore unidentified cabal to enact its agenda under veil of darkness?

I, for one, don't wish for Socialism, and I agree with your basic generalizations concerning it. The mechanism is easily manipulated, as is Capitalism, to suit the purposes of a small, ruling elite. A proper paradigm would eliminate such a liklihood, and that is why I advocate for paradigmatic, earth-shattering change. Otherwise, it will always be more of the same.

And, Lupo, that's perfectly fine if you want to disassociate yourself from me and the rest of the rubble. I don't want you lumped in with me, amymore than you want to be lumped in with me. I have no patience for those who can't stand up under a little pressure. See, I'm the guy that tells the school yard bully to go fuck himself. If you have a hard time with that, then so be it. Have at it. Seek the illusory and ephemeral shelter of the school yard bully's wing.

8/16/2006 08:11:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Socialism leads to fewer and fewer choices for all people in every aspect of life. The repression of socialism as a political choice in the US is unfortunate and unnecessary. It collapses on its own every time."

Does it then? Why, pray tell, did the CIA make all those interventions, all those subverted elections, all those rabid anticommunist propaganda campaigns, etc? This is exactly my point about the danger from Rense & Icke: on the one hand, it gives that part of the world which still believes the official story abundant ammunition to dismiss all conspiracy theories as reptilian shape-shifting nonsense, while on the other, it instills in the faithful the same rightwing tenets of anticommunism that the apologists for empire have been spewing for the past 70 years. In one fell swoop, they discredit the only opposition left (having already bought the established opposition party outright) while simultaneously inculcating a deep-seated, irrational revulsion toward socialism.

The fact of the matter is that no experiment in socialism has ever been left to its own devices: whether through direct military operations (invasion), covert operations (assassination, kidnapping, torture--see Latin America) or through subverting democratic elections, the boys that represent American Interests have not ever left socialism to succeed or fail on its own. This is pure right wing propaganda; it's what the followers of most versions of Illuminism spout when waxing "political"--they've completely saturated the public discourse (or what passes for one).

What do you people imagine all those interventions were for? Why is it that BushCo and their parent group are made so bloody nervous by Chavez and Morales? Could someone please explain to me how it is that the very people who are aware of the shaded, sordid history of the CIA could themselves be repeating, like some sort of mindless automatons, the kind of crap that has been broadcast over Radio Free Europe ever since the Big One?

Just to recap, in case eyes were glazing over at the uncomfortable thought: there has never been any socialist experiment which has been left alone long enough to succeed or fail on its own.

8/16/2006 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

Shrub: Got no problem with you at all. You raise lots of interesting points, and mostly don't seem to take yourself too seriously. A bit crude at times, but so is life. I do wish that you wouldn't go for the bait quite so often, as it feeds the cycle, but it's your choice when and where to make a stand, and your voice to make it with. I tend towards a more passive resistance. If you take that as weakness, then so be it.

Anyway, you've given me a bit to think about regarding my urge to dissociate myself from the rest. I guess my ego got a little bruised by the repeated insinuation that I am nothing but one of multiple persona adopted by some neo-con troll shill or immature teenage wanker. Of course, that is true to an extent, in that what you see on the screen is little more than a caricature of myself. Regardless, if I'm gonna get lumped in with anyone here, I'd rather it be with you, Jon, Richard, Jules and Cuttlefish than with Anon(s). FWIW

8/16/2006 11:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Thanks for the clarification, Lupo. I misinterpreted your earlier comments, I suppose, and I take your latest comments as a compliment.....even the little nudge about me being crude....which I am on occasion.

I don't want to let the Illuminati Anonies to drive a wedge between us. I'm happy with my multiple personalities.....and, in the spirit of Tom Cruise, I eschew any modern psycholigical attempts by Mojo Filter to intervene.

8/16/2006 12:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Making JPL Proud

Jack Parson's Legacy

Voyager Spacecraft Message - United Nations message
Kurt Waldheim

[Secretary General]

As the Secretary General of the United Nations, an organizations of the 147 member states who represent almost all of the human inhabitants of the planet earth. I send greetings on behalf of the people of our planet. We step out of our solar system into the universe seeking only peace and friendship, to teach if we are called upon, to be taught if we are fortunate. We know full well that our planet and all its inhabitants are but a small part of the immense universe that surrounds us and it is with humility and hope that we take this step.

LAUNCHED I and II in 1977

Voyager 1: 'The Spacecraft That Could' Hits New Milestone
August 15, 2006

Voyager 1, already the most distant human-made object in the cosmos, reaches 100 astronomical units from the sun on Tuesday, August 15 at 5:13 p.m. Eastern time (2:13 p.m. Pacific time). That means the spacecraft, which launched nearly three decades ago, will be 100 times more distant from the sun than Earth is.

In more common terms, Voyager 1 will be about 15 billion kilometers (9.3 billion miles) from the sun. Dr. Ed Stone, Voyager project scientist and the former director of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., says the Voyager team always predicted that the spacecraft would have enough power to last this long.

"But what you can't predict is that the spacecraft isn’t going to wear out or break. Voyager 1 and 2 run 24 hours a day, seven days a week, but they were built to last," Stone said. The spacecraft have really been put to the test during their nearly 30 years of space travel, flying by the outer planets, and enduring such challenges as the harsh radiation environment around Jupiter.

The spacecraft are traveling at a distance where the sun is but a bright point of light and solar energy is not an option for electrical power. The Voyagers owe their longevity to their nuclear power sources, called radioisotope thermoelectric generators, provided by the Department of Energy.

Voyager 1 is now at the outer edge of our solar system, in an area called the heliosheath, the zone where the sun's influence wanes. This region is the outer layer of the 'bubble' surrounding the sun, and no one knows how big this bubble actually is. Voyager 1 is literally venturing into the great unknown and is approaching interstellar space. Traveling at a speed of about one million miles per day, Voyager 1 could cross into interstellar space within the next 10 years.

"Interstellar space is filled with material ejected by explosions of nearby stars," Stone said. "Voyager 1 will be the first human-made object to cross into it."

Voyager Project Manager Ed Massey of JPL says the survival of the two spacecraft is a credit to the robust design of the spacecraft, and to the flight team, which is now down to only 10 people. "But it’s these 10 people who are keeping these spacecraft alive. They’re very dedicated. This is sort of a testament to them, that we could get all this done."

Between them, the two Voyagers have explored Jupiter, Uranus, Saturn and Neptune, along with dozens of their moons. In addition, they have been studying the solar wind, the stream of charged particles spewing from the sun at nearly a million miles per hour.

8/16/2006 02:33:00 PM  
Blogger daveskeep said...

I've always felt that some people have concentrated too heavily on 9/11, as if it was a singular occurrence. False flag operations and staged terror events have been taking place as long as there has been a thing called government. The method may have been different, but the overall goal remains the same.

Throughout human history, there has always been a struggle between the haves and have nots. The people of power and wealth have so much to lose, that they will do anything to keep what they have. It is more than just desire on their part, it is obsession. The Buddhist teachings about attachment and suffering explain it well. It is a complete lack of connection with the world and other sentient beings that leads to darkness.

Because the earth and other beings that inhabit it are viewed as "resources" to be used for personal gain, they are only useful so long as they are capable of turning a profit. When they stop being useful, they are disgarded. This detached view of the Earth and the Universe for that matter is the essence of the capitalist system.

Government cannot help either. In fact, government is a willing partner in the whole sorted affair. Voting Democrat isn't going to change things because the Democrats are a part of the system. They want to keep the status quo. These politicians want a bigger piece of the pie for themselves. Democracy isn't a savior, in fact it has made things worse. Under the feudal system, at least people were aware they they were serfs and nothing more. Under Democracy, people actually buy the lie that they too can be rich and that the leaders in Washington have their best interests at heart. They cannot see the truth that the system was created for the advantage of a select few.

The masses are too busy maxing our their credit cards on things they have been programmed to want, but don't actually need. They are too busy watching "reality" shows and medicating themselves with the drugs that are advertised every few minutes on just about every channel. New ailments are popping up all of the time.

Medicated, clueless and detached slaves. That sums up our society in a nut shell.

8/19/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Dave,

I couldn't have said it better myself. We share the same sentiments.

There's a thread on the main board that says Lamont's victory over Lieberman in the primary is the victory heard around the world. Surely they jest. Not very rigorous of them, wouldn't you say? Have any of those people bothered to delve deep into Lamont's pedigree? Apparently they haven't, and that's where they have failed the "rigorous" part of the test. On the "intuition" part, it should be quite obvious to everyone that what you have asserted is reality. You can arrive at your conclusion via deduction or intuition, but apparently they have chosen niether method, and opted for delusion.

8/19/2006 02:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alien white sun indeed. A bunch of us on another board were commenting on this a few months ago, about how we remember the sun being yellow as children and young adults, though none of us could isolate exactly when it went white.

I was drawing with crayons with my 5-year-old recently, and when I did a yellow sun, he asked me why because the sun was white, not yellow. From the mouths of babes...

8/28/2006 03:44:00 AM  
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Nelson dies unexpectedly due to Megan Marshank's fear of calling the hospital when Nelson had a heart attack making love to his young love interest. -- Anonymous 5:54

The name of Rockefeller's mistress is spelled "Megan Marshak."

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