Justice Can Wait
All the things you try to hide
Will be revealed on the other side - The Squirrel Nut Zippers
So now Ken Lay is dead. (Or not.*) His heart "just gave out," as though it were too good for this world. ("There's only so much stress one can take," a sad Barbara Walters reportedly mused on The View.)
Most likely, it was a suicide. What's good enough for Goering, and all that. Or perhaps assisted suicide, to ease a reluctant liability into the afterlife. Lay may not have sung at trial, but there remains his under-examined role in Dick Cheney's still secretive Energy Task Force. (It was on Lay's recommendation that Bush appointed Cheney to the position.) Thinking of precedence, Lay's former business partner and almost stoolie, Cliff Baxter, comes to mind. (And that it's been so long that I've thought of him reminds me of how much death has been dealt since.) Regardless, CNN is saying "out of respect for the family" no further details will be announced, so I suppose there's nothing left to Enron now but closure, and nothing we're supposed to do now but move on.
The novelty, she piles up. This past week is what six months worth of hard news used to feel like to me. And not so long ago, though it seems like a lifetime. Swimming against the datastream, searching for something like a source, gets harder every day against the tug of a Great Attractor. And it's not the induced crises of North Korea, or Gaza, or Iran that's pulling us forward.
The supposed singularity of 2012 may still be unimaginable, but moreso every day, I can better imagine something like it.
* on edit: Reading the comments, I think now I may have been too hasty to accept the death notice. Certainly his body won't be laid out for us like Uday's, Qusay's and Zarqawi's, and however much money and how many high connections it takes to disappear, Lay had them. So perhaps, unless we see the nail marks in his hands and put our hands into his side, I should reserve judgement on this one.
posted by Jeff Wells at 7/05/2006 12:58:00 PM
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Interestingly "respect for the family" is appreciated not only by CNN but ny the Department of Justice who are not releasing thedetails of the reprecussions of his death on the numerous civil suits against, out of that very respect.
“Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep, if I should die before I wake…”
That image of Lay floating away right on schedule is...I won't, I won't, I will not say "priceless".
Jeff, check out the image of Lay on the BBC story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5151140.stm
Do you notice the left eye thing? I can't find your old story on the subject, but it immediately came to mind.
Any chance he just faked his death and Ken is now on an undisclosed island somewhere, playing with Barbies in the sunset and sipping coconut milk all day?
You realize that a man powerful enough to chosse Geoge Bush's cabinet members is powerful enough to fake his own death, don't you?
"Do you notice the left eye thing?"
Oh yeah; thanks for that. Here's the reference, in a comment to a post concerning the Gerald Robinson murder trial:
One of the resemblances to [Henry Lee] Lucas is the slight droop in the left eye. I know Lucas had lost an eye. However at the end of Ch 1 of Springmeier's "Deeper Insights into tjhe Illuminati Formula..." there is a picture of Guy de Rothschild exhibiting the same feature , Springmeier alleges the droopy left eye is a characteristic of "illuminati" trauma programming.
Yeah. How do we know he's dead? In fact, if he were to go jail, how would we know it was him in jail, and not a lookalike paid several hundred thousand dollars a year to fill in his place. Who's going to check? Not you or I. Certainly not people who believe he's being punished.
BTW-
Has it ever occurred to anyone that myths and stories that reinforce the idea of an all-powerful elite serve the interests of that elite?
Thus, it would be in the interests for elites to perpetuate stories of them assasinating people, when some of those deaths could be attributed to freak occurrences. They win either way.
Shlomo's post on systems got me thinking on those lines. Since "conspiracy" theories are frightening, perhaps they were designed to frighten.
I suppose the main thing is not to give in to fear.
Illuminati trauma programming? Cites to that, please?
isn't this fun? i'm so close to bugging out right now.
what the fuck's the point anymore?
Shlomo's post on systems
Can someone please point to this link
topic?
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I honestly don't believe the official story. These fucks laugh at American gullibility....
"From this day forward, Ken Lay no longer exists. Say hello to Miguel Sanchez!"
You just know there's a new dude in Placencia, Belize sitting on the beach drinking pina coladas with Whitey Bulger. And a cleaned-up homeless guy's carcass in an ornate casket in Colorado.
Call me morbid, cynical... I'd like a third party autopsy before I even begin to believe it.
Oh, and Bush can pardon posthumously. Actually it will be far easier to pardon him now.
And they laugh and laugh...
Cheney Bets Against the Dollar ...
Lay may not have sung at trial, but there remains his under-examined role in Dick Cheney's still secretive Energy Task Force. (It was on Lay's recommendation that Bush appointed Cheney to the position.)
Nor can he now be brought out for testimony...
Despite his reluctance to pursue the 9/11/01 story, Greg Palast has done some really nice work on the whole ENRON saga, including Ken Lay's involvement in the California recall election. Here's a couple of the peices he's done on that topic.
This story, published prior to the recall election:
http://www.gregpalast.com/printerfriendly.cfm?artid=283
And this recent follow-up after Lay's conviction:
http://www.gregpalast.com/lay-convicted-bush-walks#more-1369
Jeff: Thanks for the reminder about Cliff Baxter's rather suspicious 'Suicide'. I wonder if Mr. Lay had any pre-diagnosed heart conditions. He should have consulted with Cheney's physician...
Jeff,
Your reference to 2012 is significant. The “spiral” is indeed winding tighter and tighter. Events, circumstances, knowledge and revelations appear to be transpiring with ever-greater regularity…..and towards what climax?
What is the new “understanding” that will take the place of “might is right”?
BREAKING: Ken Lay is Not Dead
Wednesday, July 5, 2006 |
Eric Francis, Planet Waves Weekly
http://planetwavesweekly.com/dadatemp/2130268134.html
Ken Lay is not dead. He is already in a foreign country. This is according to a reading of the horary chart associated with his death (4:51 pm CED, Brussels, July 5, 2006). In one of the most carefully planned escapes in shadow government history, Lay disappeared, probably within the past 24 hours.
The chart has Scorpio rising, apropos of the discussion. The Moon and Jupiter Rx have just risen and are in the 12th house, about to make a conjunction. This is nothing, if not mysterious -- no need to push it too hard.
The ruler of the ascendant is Mars, which is in Leo and the 9th house. The ascendant ruler represents the first party to the question -- Mr. Lay. He does not appear to be anywhere nearby, as the 9th house represents travel of long distances.
Magnificently, Mars is precisely opposite Neptune -- separating to an exactitude of three arc minutes. Neptune adds the factor of a huge fog, deception or unknowable possibility (echoed vividly by those 12th house Scorpio planets). This suggests a kind of crime of the century: that Neptune in Aquarius has proven many times that there is no story too outrageous for people to swallow.
Regarding Mars in the 9th, we could propose that the 'long distance' of this house was to Kenny Boy's little place in hog heaven, were it not for another fact: the ruler of the 7th cusp, which is Taurus and thus Venus -- representing a partner or, in general, 'someone else', is found in the 8th house, the house of death.
The syntax of this is not difficult to grasp: someone else is dead. First take is this is the body of the guy who is laying in for Kenny.
My second take on this Venus 8th was that his wife would soon be joining him, as Venus is about to square Uranus in Pisces.
Obviously, there was an escape house on an island somewhere; such is commonplace enough among the ultra-posh. And with all the resources of the Land of the Free to protect them, freedom is available.
News prediction: "they," that is, the MSM, will float a story that proves the validity of the corpse, a kind of, "It really is Ken" story, with DNA or fingerprints -- affirming the question.
That's the news. Now back to you.
Sent via Planet Waves
http://planetwaves.net
Is it true that the death of a convict actually vacates the jury's ruling and therefore the Lay Family is not financially liable to pay any of Lay's restitution bills (or legal bills)?
Is it true that Lay owned an uncharted island in the South Pacific?
Is it true that Lay's body has not been seen and that any funeral/memorial service will be closed casket?
Is it true that Mercury is in Retrograde?
Wise men say only fools rush in...
Actually, Mercury turned retrograde at exactly 12:35 pm Tuesday July 4th Pacific Time. Actually it is "stationary retrograd at that moment, as it basically slows down and appears to stand still for a few hours before it retrogrades.... close enough for goverment work!
It looks at though his conviction and indictment may be expunged.
Read the analysis here
Will this have effec on pending civil litigation to his 'estate'?
It's October 28th 2011 that we enter the consciousness shift according to Carl Calleman at http://www.calleman.com
but we should be feeling it long before this.
There's a bit of a schism between him and the other Mayan Calendar researchers.
Just saw a news blurb on a local NBC affiliate... the report closed with a helpful bulleted list, including the following (roughly):
* a person is not convicted until s/he is sentenced
* unprecedented to levy fine against estate of a person not-convicted
Well, good timing for the Lay estate, it seems.
Did we really think he was gping to get what he deserves. ;-)
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060710/bell
Even as the gates slammed shut and he stepped out into the roar of the main cellblock, T.J. Parsell was still in denial. He had landed in prison after a drunken prank with a toy gun netted him $50 and two and a half years. His older brother, who had served some brief jail time, had given him some advice: Look tough. Show no fear. Be a man.
But even if Parsell could have kept his shoulders back, his chin cocked and the panic out of his eyes as he walked beneath five stories of barred cells, through the echoes of slamming doors, the clatter of chow trays and the shouts of 500 inmates, they already knew: This paper-thin kid with a desperate game face was fresh meat. Barely six weeks later, according to Parsell, he had been drugged, gang-raped by three inmates and "sold" to a fourth with the flip of a coin. He was 17 years old.
Parsell's story is horrifying, but hardly surprising. And therein lies a paradox: If prison rape is as prevalent as it is thought to be, it stands as one of the most appallingly frequent human rights abuses in America. But as a matter of public concern, when the victims are male, the issue remains little more than a dirty joke...........
But the problem goes deeper than inadequate legislation. The prevailing social attitude toward male prison rape was typified by California Attorney General Bill Lockyer back in 2001, when Enron CEO Ken Lay was in the news. "I would love to personally escort Lay," Lockyer said, "to an 8-by-10 cell that he could share with a tattooed dude who says, Hi, my name is Spike, honey."
In one News Report, they mentioned that they could not locate his body, and the only thing remaining was the outfit he was wearing in a pile as though he had melted right out of it.
Let the Rapture begin.
The point is, it doesn't really matter if Lay is really dead or not. He could become a freakin' Buddhist Monk for all we know, or a transexual.
The point is, he's not the guy pulling the strings. He's just another chump that took the fall...
Let's talk about the real victims.
CTV had a friend of Lay's on to say that he called Ken at home on Thursday but that "he couldn't come to the phone" because he was having a huge party..So..friend lawyer emailed him to show his support. On Friday, Lay emailed back to say that "his assets were about to be seized, that he was going to appeal the conviction," and concluded that the "stress" of the appeal was what killed off our "64 year old celeb noire. Happy 60th b-day comes a surprise .
In yet another bizarre twist to the Enron saga, the sudden death of Kenneth L. Lay on Wednesday may have spared his survivors financial ruin. Mr. Lay's death effectively voids the guilty verdict against him, temporarily thwarting the federal government's efforts to seize his remaining real estate and financial assets, legal experts say.
"The death of Mr. Lay in all likelihood will render the government's hard-fought victory null," said Christopher Bebel, a former federal prosecutor based here who specializes in securities fraud.
But while the death of Mr. Lay may have limited government efforts in his criminal case, he remains the subject of civil lawsuits by the Securities and Exchange Commission and former investors and Enron employees. Those lawsuits could still proceed, with the aim of taking control of some of Mr. Lay's remaining assets.
Mr. Lay and Jeffrey K. Skilling, the two chief executives who guided Enron through its rise and fall, were found guilty in May of fraud and conspiracy, and were free on bail pending their sentencing.
New York Times
Mike Ruppert needs some help.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/070506_offices_burglarized.shtm
Sometime after 7:30 PM on the evening of Sunday June 25, 2006, an unknown number of suspects entered the FTW offices by means of two passkeys. Once inside, a sledgehammer was used to smash through four solid-core doors secured with deadbolt locks to gain entry to our webmaster’s office, my office, the administrative office and a storage area. All seven FTW computers were ripped or disconnected from peripherals and transported to a central unoccupied area of the building where their covers were unscrewed and removed. After the covers had been removed, all seven computers were smashed with sledgehammers. My monitor was also smashed at my desk. The computers were totally destroyed.
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For new subscribers and those concerned about interruption of our services please be advised that, as time permits, we will make arrangements to extend subscriptions to make up for any lost time.
I have no words to describe the viciousness of this attack. No other valuables were taken and none of our other furnishings or equipment was destroyed. It is apparent that destroying data stored in our computers was the primary objective in this crime. Current estimated damages are in excess of $20,000.
It will be most interesting to see whether a public viewing of Lay's body is permitted. Everyone should keep an eye out in the media to see whether it happens or not. If not, we should be extremely skeptical of the "reality" of his death, given the known mainstream protestant religious affiliation and traditions of Kenneth Lay.
Uh, Jeff. Just because we saw PICTURES of Uday, Qusay, and Zarqawi, doesn't mean, they are in fact, dead. It matters little though, because they are the functional equivalent of dead, as in retired, and no longer official "threats" to be waved in the face of the American public to get the fear juices flowing.
You can only beat a dead, or live horse for so long. It matters little, there are plenty more where they came from. Maybe Saddam will have a long-lost nephew who will return to avenge him at the appropriate time.
BTW- I don't have the link for this, but I distinctly read in some online techie mag, perhaps affiliated with MIT, that the state of the art for video technology has reached the point where it is possible to fake images to the point where they are VERY difficult to spot, even with forensic technologies. You'd have to know what you were looking for and where to find it.
Which isn't to say they aren't dead, we just don't KNOW it. And quite possible, we never will.
Sigh.
Just like OBL. He died! He's alive! He's in Russia! He's in Pakistan! He's at the White House! We must kill him! He's not a priority any more!
So it goes.
Today's post on the Wayne Madsen Report (WMR) is interesting:
Just as WMR was looking into reports from our sources that investigators were checking into the stashing of Enron money in off-shore secret bank accounts prior to Enron's collapse, comes word from Aspen, Colorado that Enron founder Ken Lay, who was convicted of various counts of fraud in the largest corporate collapse in history, died from a massive heart attack while vacationing at his Aspen home.
Ken Lay is taking to the grave a number of secrets that are politically and criminally embarrassing to the Bush crime family. A meeting held in Tashkent, Uzbekistan on September 7, 1996 is a case in point. According to U.S. intelligence sources, a meeting was held between 40 representatives from Enron, Uzbek President Islam Karimov, Saudi billionaire Adnan Khashoggi, and Taliban leaders from Afghanistan. Khashoggi reportedly represented Saudi government and business leaders at the meeting and periodically left the meeting, returning by private jet to Saudi Arabia, to obtain "permission" for certain agreements. Also involved in the Tashkent talks were representatives from UNOCAL, which had been negotiating with the Taliban on a Central Asia Gas (CentGas) pipeline from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan. UNOCAL consultants on that project included Bush administration resident Muslim neo-con Zalmay Khalilzad (a native of Afghanistan) and Hamid Karzai, who had good relations with the Kandahar-based Taliban leader, Mullah Muhammad Omar.
Prior to the Tashkent meeting, on June 23, 1996, $10 billion was wired by the Saudis from a Cypriot bank through Barclay's Bank in London and on to Houston. The Saudis needed to pump money into Enron to make the company a viable financial entity for negotiating the pipelines through both Iran and Afghanistan. Some of the money ended up in the hands of LJM1 (also known as LJM Cayman, LP), one of the corporate off-shore and off-balance sheet "partnership" contrivances set up by Enron with the help of its Chief Financial Officer, Andy Fastow. Two days after the Saudis wired the $10 billion to Enron, Saudi terrorists blew up the Khobar Towers, killing 19 U.S. military personnel.
The Tashkent meeting was held to discuss a natural gas pipeline that would go from Uzbekistan, through Afghanistan, to Iran's southern coast. CIA financial experts, working with Enron, began to work on rectifying Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) and Iranian accounting methods. At the time, Iran believed it was better to do a deal with the United States rather than let the Uzbek gas go to China. However, things radically changed in the Spring of 1997 when Iran broke off negotiations with the consortium.
In the Spring of 1997, the Taliban sent envoys to Houston to meet with Enron and UNOCAL officials concerning the pipeline deal. Meetings were held at the Houstonian hotel but the Taliban studiously avoided any oil industry reception or dinners where wine was being served. After the US embassy bombings in East Africa in 1998, attacks pinned on Osama Bin Laden who was practically running eastern Afghanistan, President Clinton ordered all pipeline talks with the Taliban halted.
Informed sources have told WMR that a major portion of the $10 billion wired by the Saudis to Enron passed through the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce and was eventually used by Kinder Morgan to purchase major elements of Enron's natural gas pipeline system in the United States. To make the Iran and CentGas pipeline projects profitable, the Saudis wanted to hike the price of natural gas and that could only be accomplished by improving the natural gas pipeline network in the United States. The Saudis, who were major investors in Enron and saw the company facing a financial bath on the plan to pipe natural gas to India's Dabhol power plant, needed another firm to run the U.S. natural gas pipeline assets of Enron. And that company was Kinder Morgan. It was a great "inside" deal since Richard Kinder, who left Enron as President in November 1996, was an old college chum of Ken Lay and his partner at Kinder Morgan, Bill Morgan. Kinder, a native of Cape Girardeau, Missouri, once worked at the law firm run by Rush Limbaugh's brother, David Limbaugh. Although Kinder's break with Lay was said to be over Lay's failure to name him Chief Executive Officer in a deal where Lay would remain as Chairman of the Board, the truth is that Kinder was as ambitious as Lay and he saw a chance to profit from Enron's misdeeds and mistakes. The CEO position eventually went to Jeffrey Skilling, convicted with Lay on several fraud counts. Kinder is now one of Houston's wealthiest businessmen and he has been a major contributor to GOP coffers, including that of George W. Bush.
The mortality rate among those close to various Bush criminal enterprises is extremely high. Lay's death follows by a few weeks that of Phillip Merrill, Dick Cheney's handpicked President of the Export-Import Bank who served in that capacity during a period when questionable loans were made to the Iraqi Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad. There will undoubtedly be questions posed about the circumstances of Lay's untimely (or timely?) death. Aspen, Colorado is a vacation playground for some of Bush's most ardent (and richest) supporters and access to the town and its records (including medical examiner records) is strictly controlled. Lay and Skilling were scheduled for sentencing on September 11 but, more significantly, according to Federal sentencing guidelines, Lay was to have submitted a sworn financial statement to Judge Sim Lake by August 1. That statement should have contained all of Lay's financial assets, including any that may have been squirreled away in off-shore accounts or other "partnerships." With Lay's death, his sworn financial statement for the Federal court will be transformed into the filing of a probate will in the Harris County, Texas Court, moving the process from the oversight of the Federal judiciary to a county court in Texas.
The above text from WMR assumes that Lay is indeed dead, an assumption that we should not ncessarily take for granted considering the slippery and corrupt people we are dealing with here.
Robert maxwell - rich,in lots of trouble, body buried v quickly- anyone remember seeeing his 'grieving sons'not a tear between them..... its so bloody easy and is such an easy way to start a new life
Hmmm... I guess the stress from the huge party he was having the night before must have been too much for him. I know that whenever I'm about to be sentenced to long-hard prison time, I always feel the need to celebrate.
Richard, my high esteem for you just took a dive. Michael Ruppert is a piece of shit; his views on how to reduce the world’s population are hardly ethical, to say the least.
Richard,
Tell Mike Santa's on his way.
By the way, have you had a chance to consider my Bed & Breakfast Proposal. You would make a wonderful proprietor. We could call the place Rigorous Intubation.
What do you think about this whole Ken Lay ordeal? I find it intriguing, myself. I think Ken's name, and his existence are chock full of Illuminati Symbolism. I mean, what the hell kind of name is Lay anyway? What nationality is that? Perhaps Irish because of the reference to Potatoes via Lay's?
Obviously, Lay stands for fuck, or any form of it, i.e. fucked, fucking, or fucker. Ken, obviously, stands for Kennedy. So, we have Fucked Kennedy. Couple this with the "you can't just fuck one" ad for Lay's, and you get Bobby Kennedy and the Kennedy Curse. See, we, The Masses, are symbolically the Dead Kennedies, and the Illuminati are continuously fucking us.
What do you think?
Your Bud,
Shrubageddon
So, I ask again, can anyone please point me to the Shlomo's post on systems?
To anon @ 1:43:
You said:
" Richard, my high esteem for you just took a dive."
Y'know, if I had a nickle for every time I've heard that one I'd have a....ummmm.....hell of a lot of nickles.
Born to disappoint I guess.
As far as Ruppert's views on population reduction, just chalk it up as one in a long list of things that I'm unaware of.
Sorry.
Although, if true, it makes me wonder if Mike's willing to be the first one who will be reduced.
Somehow I doubt it.
To Shrubsy:
In answer to your Bed & Breakfast proposal...
As flattering as that is my wife would be the first to tell you that I don't play well with others.
Personally, I prefer the Groucho Marx line about 'not joining any club that would have me as a member.'
As far as Kenny boy goes, every time I see him mentioned I flashback to some anonymous stockbroker I heard on NPR who wouldn't direct his investors to the over-inflated Enron stock for out-dated reasons like ethics.
When asked if there were other companies out there like Enron, he laughed and said, "I've got a whole folder full of them."
NPR, being the fastidious truth-seekers that they are quickly passed over that little nugget.
Although your comment, "See, we, The Masses, are symbolically the Dead Kennedies, and the Illuminati are continuously fucking us," goes a long way towards explaining why my ass hurts so much. Here I am thinking that it's from the long years I've spent inserting-removing-& reinserting my oversized mellon in that tiny little hole. Learn something new everyday, I guess.
To Shrubbsy again;
On second thought, if you let me wear my Santa suit all year round & have every guest swear on a stack of Enron stock that they really & truly believe in the big red Yuletide fuck, I'll take it under consideration.
Peace, pal.
Who cares? Seriously, who gives a fuck? Some corporate manager died? The corporation is still cold and dead and fondling me.
Feedback on my social crash at Solari would be appreciated though: http://www.solariactionnetwork.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3391&start=0
"I bathe in your hate" is a quote I think should be spread a bit. Stanhope's friend isn't evil I don't think.
@ Uncle $cam -
i hear ya. check out slomo's blog:
http://memetix.blogspot.com/
very interesting
Reuters finds it difficult to remember what he even "died" of already. They say "heart disease."
Bush: Lay was generous, but betrayed trust
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush on Thursday called convicted Enron Corp. founder Ken Lay, who died this week, a "generous person," but said he had betrayed the trust of shareholders.
Lay died of heart disease on Wednesday while on vacation in Colorado, six weeks after being convicted of fraud and conspiracy in the financial scandal that brought down the energy conglomerate.
Lay, a former confidant of Bush's father, and called "Kenny boy" by the current president, was once a major contributor to the Bushes' political campaigns.
Bush, speaking [or spinning] in an interview with CNN's "Larry King Live," said he knew Lay "pretty well" [that's not what his public relations wonk said] and called him a "good guy" he had gotten to know while governor of Texas.
"One of the things I respected him for was he was such a contributor to Houston's civil society. He was a generous person," Bush said. "I'm disappointed that he betrayed the trust of shareholders."
The president said he had not contacted Lay's wife yet, but planned to write her a letter.
Lay, 64, was facing decades in prison in connection with Enron's 2001 bankruptcy. Lay and another former Enron chief executive, Jeffrey Skilling, were found guilty of hiding the financial ruin at Enron, which they had built into the seventh largest company in the United States.
http://today.reuters.com/business/newsArticle.aspx?
type=ousiv&storyid=2006-07-07T023559Z_01_N06449675_
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Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, I have the opportunity, or misfortune, of access to elitist circles, and the "generosity" word is standard speech in describing one another.
It's quite easy to be "generous" when you are distributing a mere fraction of your criminal holdings.
Syn has it right, though. What the hell does it matter? He was just one head of a multi-headed Beast known as Corporatism. It's amazing how the Sheep swallowed the Shit about Totalitarian Communism for 50 years, whilst Totalitarian Corporatism penetrated beneath their psychological epidermis like a nasty incurable fungus.
Sheep....it's what's for dinner.
Has anyone considered this angle yet? Ken Lay allegedly passes the week of the Cialis Western Open. One interpretation of his name is Can Fuck, and Cialis makes that possible for many men that couldn't, otherwise. Just a coincidence?
Richard,
“Although, if true, it makes me wonder if Mike's willing to be the first one who will be reduced.
Somehow I doubt it.”
Right on, brother! Cheers!
Where does all this "get Mike Ruppert" stuff come from?
He's clearly got the NWO shock troops on his back so why do so many of you feel the need to join in?
The may be problems with some of his approaches and he may be a tad compromised in his outlook but he's clearly no fraud; is clearly under fire from THEM so why the aggro ?? (the question is meant sincerely no rhetorically)
I don't have anything against him, but it was either give to him, or give to the kid down the street collecting money for his kidney transplant.
I figure why give to him when he may very well be a disinfo spook. I mean, how do you know who is, and who isn't a spook these days, or any days, for that matter. I'm not giving money to any damn spook, unless it's a kid down the street who needs a new kidney.
All you idiots attempting to sell Michael Ruppert just seem so contrived I'll have to say. Take it elsewhere, eh?
Ruppert as some sort of 9-11 truth leader is a lie.
Ruppert's ego loves to think he has a final say on truth and lies--and he spends more time attacking 9-11 truth movement people who disagree with him, with his belitting statements and hostile court suit threats, that in my opinion with this (and his selective non-analysis of WTC7 or the controlled demolitions of the WTCs) there's much too much that is fishy about Ruppert to be truly trustworthy.
I think he's spot on, on some things (like the opening chapters of his book on the U.S. as a completely irredeemable corporate criminal regime of financiers running the country from the secret services and intelligence services simply in the name of global piracy and espionage; or his analysis of the treasonous behavior of Bush, Cheney, and others on 9-11), though to ignore statements of admitted guilt from Silverstein or to address the whole controlled demolition thing is a huge attempt to steer away from the most obvious evidece of guilt of all involved. Particularly when Silverstein admits performing a controlled demolition on his WTC7 building later in the day of 9-11.
Don't defend Ruppert's dictatorial attitude. It's uncalled for.
Second, despite no evidence, he keeps selling the snake oil lie of peak oil.
more on that:
newswire article commentary portland metro 05.Jul.2006 22:43
energy & nuclear
Greg Palast says Oil Empire aimed at NOT producing oil--Peak Oil Theory trumped by liberal
author: Dr. Know
Peak Oil people claim that Peak Oil is around the corner. They base their theory largely on the same people who have been stalwarts of the conventional energy industry since the days of Standard Oil. Yet Greg Palast, in his recent speech in Portland and in his new book, Armed Madhouse, debunks those theories (as he did less explicitly in his book, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy) by revealing that the actual conspiracy has been to constrain oil production and boost the prices realized by the oil industry....
So how do the Peak Oil fanatics reconcile the fact that one of the Left's most prominant investigative reporters has produced documented proof that Big Oil has been actually trying to limit availability of "proven reserves" for the last 80 years? Well, they can't. Palast's book, Armed Madhouse, has without really aiming to do so, proven that conventional theories of "peak oil" are Big Oil originated and aimed at formulating public opinion.
and see the comments:
article is here
Soon as he drops his spiel on the lies of peak oil as something behind 9-11 (which he with incredible hostility peddles everywhere), he can move on toward what is really going on.
McGowan's, Palast's, and other's information has completely made that peak oil assumption seem like the PR psyop it is.
You don't require a potential government spook (who was dating a corrupt CIA officer running drugs into the U.S, through New Orleans, as per his admittals!) as a hero, when there is so much overflowing truth out there that Ruppert looks more like a tiny spigot now.
And see 9-11 Loose Change while you're at it if you have yet to do so.
I don't think Peak oil's a sham. I do believe Big Oil is involved in spreading disinfo concerning the predicament in order to obfuscate the issue and confuse and distract the passive observer. A policy of propaganda and public relations containment, if you will.
Peak Oil could very well be the long awaited Death of Capitalism which requires every last drop be extracted from the ground before switching investment horses.
This time around necessity won't be the mother of invention, but rather the Grim Reaper of gnashing teeth.
Well while this is interesting and pondersome, THIS is what we should really be investigating http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/10/eveningnews/main505845.shtml
yeah the other Enron death....this really was murder though! Too much coincidence for this over exposed mind.
so that address should have been :
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/10/eveningnews/main505845.shtml
ok highly annoying....wont put whole address up....argghhh!
(http://www.cbsnews.com/
stories/2002/04/10/evening
news/main505845.shtml)
THIS IS THE DEATH WE SHOULD WORRY ABOUT.
follow the money, 'til death does its part...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/5173228.stm
apologies for redundancy!
"So Ken Lay is dead... or not."
Is bin-Laden deader than Lay? Has Kenny-boy left the building and taken his 42 million south? Maybe he "took one for the team", and bit down on that cyanide tooth they implant into all the bush leaguers. Or have they simply frozen his head to study mendacity sometime in the future?
Richard Kinder, who left Enron as President in November 1996, was an old college chum of Ken Lay... Kinder once worked at the law firm run by Rush Limbaugh's brother, David Limbaugh.
well, maybe Kenny is kicking back with a Corona on some Dominican Republic beach, a boy on his lap and that shit-eating grin on his sunburnt face ...
Same as it ever was:
According to a biography of Richard Nixon, his close personal and political ties with the Bush family go back to 1941 when Nixon claims he read an ad in an L A. newspaper, placed by a wealthy group of businessmen, led by Preston Bush, the father of George Bush. They wanted a young, malleable candidate to run for Congress. Nixon applied for the position and won the job. Nixon became a mouthpiece for the Bush group. (Source: Freedom Magazine, 1986, L.F. Prouty).
Hale Boggs, the Congressman from Louisiana and a member of the Warren Commission, died in July of 1972, one month after the Watergate arrests. Boggs and two other men disappeared when the light aircraft in which they were flying crashed in Alaska. The Los Angeles Star, on November 22, 1973, reported that "Boggs had startling revelations on Watergate and the assassination of President Kennedy."
5 months later, Dorothy Hunt, the wife of convicted White House "plumber" E. Howard Hunt, was killed, along with 41 other people, when United Airlines Flight 553 crashed near Chicago's Midway Airport on Dec. 8, 1972. Mrs. Hunt, who, like her husband, had worked for the CIA, was allegedly carrying $100,000 in "hush" money so her husband would not implicate White House officials in Watergate.
Dr. and Mrs. Gary Morris died in March of 1972 when their boat mysteriously disappeared off the Caribbean Island of St. Lucia. Their bodies were never found. But their names were on the dead body of Mrs. Dorothy Hunt, according to an article in the Oct. 3, 1975 Washington Post. "The plane crash that killed Mrs. Hunt in Chicago has now been officially ruled an accident," the story stated. "But there's one bizarre coincidence that may never be explained. "Her red wallet at the time of her death had a slip of paper with the name of a Washington psychiatrist, Dr. Gary Morris, on it." Neither Howard Hunt nor his wife were patients of the doctor, who was already dead at the time of the plane crash. It is interesting to note, Mae Brussell says, that Dr. Morris was an expert in hypnosis and that Mr. Hunt used "mind control" in his espionage work.
Jose Joaquin Sangenis Perdimo, a Cuban exile who worked with the CIA at the Bay of Pigs, died mysteriously in 1974. Code-named "Felix," he had worked with Watergate plummers Hunt and Barker. In 1972 he was awarded a secret merit medal by the CIA.
Rolando Masferrer, another Cuban exile employed by the CIA, was blown blown to bits when his car exploded on October 5, 1975. Masferrer had worked with "plummers" Hunt, Sturgis and Barker.
George Bush was knee-deep in the CIA when JFK was killed in Texas. Hopping from Houston to Miami weekly, Bush spent 1960 and '61 recruiting Cubans in Miami for the invasion....
But George Bush claims he never worked for the CIA until he was appointed Director by former Warren Commission director and then president Jerry Ford in 1976.
The CIA put Texas millionaire and CIA agent George Bush in charge of recruiting Cuban exiles into the CIA's invasion army. Bush was working with another Texas oilman, Jack Crichton, to help him with the invasion. A fellow Texan, Air Force General Charles Cabel, was asked to coordinate the air cover for the invasion.
Most of the CIA leadership around the invasion of Cuba seems to have been people from Texas. A whole Texan branch of the CIA is based in the oil business. If we trace Bush's background in the Texas oil business we discover his two partners in the oil-barge leasing business: Texan Robert Mosbacher and Texan James Baker. Mosbacher is now Secretary of Commerce and Baker is Secretary of State, the same job Dulles held when JFK was killed. (Source: Common Cause magazine, 3-4/90).
The first thing Nixon did when he gained the presidency was to demand signed resignations of his entire government. "Eliminate everyone," he told John Ehrlichman about reappointment, "except George Bush. Bush will do anything for our cause." (Source: Pledging Allegiance, Sidney Blumenthal.)
The reason why Bush will "do anything" is because his hands have as much of Kennedy's blood on them as do Nixon's, Hunt's, Sturgis's, and Gerald Ford's...
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/dead_kennedys/161963.html
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKpennington.htm
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