Friday, July 21, 2006

Painting the Passports Brown



Lead the sheeple to the order like the lamb to the slaughter
The wars of this century will be over water - Clarity


Sorry for the extended silence, but it's been a hard week. Though seriously, given the kind of week it's been I feel foolish complaining.

Let me just lay this out briefly, in case you've missed it, like I almost did.

From Reuters, on the eve of the IDF's ground offensive, "Late night calls from Israel spook jittery Lebanese":

At first, Bushra Khayyat tried to ignore the incessant ringing of the phone at her house in Lebanon's southern port city of Sidon. It was 4 a.m., but she finally got out of bed.

"I said hello and got a recorded message from Israel," she told Reuters.

In clear Arabic, the strong voice on the phone said: "Oh Lebanese people, we tell you not to follow Hizbollah. We will continue to strike and no one will bring your prisoners back from Israel except the Lebanese government."

Other residents of the south have received similar calls.

"My grandmother got two calls at 5 and 6 in the morning saying the Israeli state would not stop the attacks and asking everyone to leave the area south of the Litani," said one woman who is stranded in Sidon. "She slammed the phone down."

"Operation Litani" was the official name of Israel's 1978 invasion of Lebanon, intended to drive the PLO across the river and beyond the range of Israel's northern communities. The southern reaches of the Litani run parallel to the border - a "natural" border, thought Chaim Weizmann - before emptying into the Mediterranean north of the port of Tyre.

From Lonergan and Brooks' Watershed: The Role of Fresh Water in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, published in 1995:

Israel’s incursion into Lebanon and the establishment of the “Security Zone” in the early 1980s allows it access to the lower reaches of the Litani River (which flows within 10 km of the Israeli border). These actions, coupled with past unsuccessful attempts by Israel to reach an agreement with Lebanon to share Litani water, have led to great Arab concern that Israel will unilaterally divert the Litani into the Jordan River.... In a letter to the British Prime Minister, David Lloyd George, Chaim Weizmann noted [in 1919] that Lebanon “is a well watered region . . . and the Litani River is valueless to the territory north of the proposed frontiers . . . . It can be used beneficially in the country much further south” This interest in the Litani continued through the 1950s, when both Prime Minister Ben-Gurion and Moshe Dayan, Israel’s Chief of Staff, advocated Israeli occupation of Lebanon up to the Litani River. The fact that Litani water is very high in quality with a low mineral content only enhances its value — and the perceived threat.

During the years of southern Lebanon's occupation, there were persistant rumours, eventually proven unfounded, that Israeli engineers were constructing a tunnel to divert the waters of the Litani towards the south. As Lonergan and Brooks write, "the lack of any evidence supporting the claim of an Israeli diversion of Litani River water does not mean that some Israelis do not covet the Litani River. It is the only nearby source of surface water that would allow Israel to maintain its present consumption rates and avoid the difficult choice of whether to reallocate water away from agriculture."

If Israel again reaches the Litani and holds it, the pressure will be that much greater to exploit Lebanon's waters, because the environmental exigencies are that much more exacerbated this century then they were even twenty years ago. In 2002, Ariel Sharon threatened Lebanon with war if it diverted the water of the Hasbani River from the Sea of Galilee, Israel's largest reservoir.

How will nations behave when they're dying of thirst? America's giant Ogallala aquifer could go dry in two decades. Sooner or later, we'll find out.

81 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

And Moon bought up that huge aquifer in South America I believe?

7/22/2006 12:07:00 AM  
Anonymous elpuma said...

You mean the Guarani Aquifer shared by Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay. It's hard to find any recent news regarding same.

However, I believe that the U.S. military has a large base close by in Paraguay.

Water....tomorrow's oil.

Are the ongoing and recent events in the Middle East, and accompanying oil-centric media, meant to keep our eyes from gazing in the direction of the Guarani and other large water resources?...

Another great post Jeff. You are a warrior.

7/22/2006 12:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unlike many people, I believe that oil is organic, and that we have not, and will never, reach "peak oil".

Water, on the other hand, is not an unlimited resource.

7/22/2006 01:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nanotechnology will ride to the rescue. Do nothing drastic. Keep the status quo. Help is on the way.

7/22/2006 01:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That telephone stuff is just horrific. Thank you for spreading the awful story.

About the water: Water is a pretty mundane reason for the current bloodshed in Lebanon.

For example, Saudi Arabia claims to produce 70% of household water with desalinization plants. While initially expensive, such plants are much more reliable than seasonal freshwater supplies. (Desalination plants for agriculture are much cheaper, because all the salt needn't be removed.)

The largest desal plant in the world opened in the Israeli city of Ashkelon only last year, and will soon provide 15% of Israel's water supply.

As the richest per capita country in the region, Israel could convert to desal using a fraction of its "defense" budget. Rich countries don't "run out" of water as long as there is a source of seawater fairly close by. Water conflicts are about *cheap* fresh water.

(An important thing to remember about Israel is that for every war-crazed tool of Washington, there are hundreds of people trying to live life. The current war is no more popular with the bulk of Israelis than the invasion of Lebanon in the '80s. And this latest horror will only send more Israelis running for the safer pastures of Europe or South America or the United States. The days of growing immigration are over, because the USSR is gone. Remember that regular Israelis came to the new state because it was supposed to be a haven, somewhere safe from the endless European anti-Semitic campaigns and periodic genocide. Many socialist Israelis saw it as a potential utopia in the 50s-60s. But that view has long gone away, as the "haven" has become the home of the butchers.)

At the moment, a desal plant (and the energy required to run it) costs about 15% more than finding a new freshwater supply. But if "finding" a new freshwater supply involves hundreds of millions of dollars of warfare against a neighboring state, I'm quite sure a desal plant would be a bargain.

This ain't about water. This is the agenda of the same criminals who did 9/11 and Beslan and the Moscow apartment bombs and anthrax and all the other cute little murder schemes that have made hundreds of billions for the defense industry just since 2001.

7/22/2006 03:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Israelis are currently on the cutting edge of nanotech; in part for desalinization purposes.

However, cheap water is always a good thing. You can privatize it and charge an arm and a leg for it.

Collective punishment AND profit.

But I doubt this will happen. Frankly, I don't understand the U.S.A. or Israeli strategies.

The only thing I can think of is that they are doing all of this to contain China, who if ascendent, would make the U.S.A. look like small potatoes. But it's light years behind the U.S. on the military front, even if it does have intimidating numbers.

Then, there is always the old, destroy the U.S. through bankruptcy by foreign wars so it can be more easily assimilated into a global governing structure.

Anyone catch the story about the soldier ordered to kill "all military-aged Iraqi males?"

Also, in an unrelated bit, on the Colber Report, Colbert literally CIA mind-controls a hapless Congressman into saying what he likes about cocaine and hookers. He played that sucker like a harp from hell.

It got me thinking though. I mean, Colbert is breaking it down for us once again, for all the dummies to see; our elect representatives aren't in charge. I mean, if you can make them say outrageous things on national TV, what else can you make them do?

Colbert also ran rings around the guy, making him look like a fool and a hypocrite. For example:

Rep: I want the troops out of Iraq.
Colbert: You want them redeployed?
Rep: Yes.
Colbert: Like in Iran? You're for invading Iran?
Rep: No.
Colbert: But you said you want them redeployed, where do you want the troops.
Rep: Well, there are a lot of places they could be.
Colbert: Like?
Rep: Kuwait.
Colbert: So, you're saying we should invade Kuwait and get their oil?

It was such as simple thing, yet quite a revelation to watch; though it is always with "Better Know a District," this one especially drove the point home: the question, who's driving this bus, if not our elected leaders.

Of course, for us RI veterans, we know the answer to that, or rather, we have a better idea than most.

7/22/2006 06:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A+ Jeffrey at long last you've got to water.Associates in global strategy/research have confirmed to me that within 50 years a major conflict over water will occur.Goldman Sachs are investing huge amounts of their portfolio in this area.Nanotechnology the answer? interesting any links? Thank god someone on this site has made the distinction between Messianic and Secular Jews.To confuse matters even further certain Orthodox jews do not believe that Israel is Israel,look out Madagascar! A book I would like to make you all aware of is Our Final Century by Martin Rees 50% chance of Armageddon within the next 50 years.

Does anyone know why the Orthodox community are exempt from military service? bad eye-sight?

Meanwhile in London we are being raped by the water companies who see no value in replacing leaky Victorian water pipes.Apparently some 300 Olympic size swimming pools are lost daily in London alone due to leaks.I guess those pesky anti globlalist types in South America were on to something.Toodle pip I have to go and check my stock portfolio!

7/22/2006 06:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Tony said...

How strange it is that, on this blog, one comes across so many interesting topics presented by Jeff which are usually followed by so many just as interesting comments.

Strange, because in real life, (in my life anyway), there’s hardly anyone with whom I can even mention these subjects, let alone have a discussion about them. Some of the “intelligent” people in my entourage don’t even know who Vladimir Putin is! How then can I bring up the silent genocide that’s going on in Chechnya?

The world is a lonely place. Thank you, Mr.Wells, for making it a bit less lonely.

7/22/2006 07:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reassessing the Hariri assassination in the light of recent events:

1. The Hariri assassination, immediately blamed on Syria (with no evidence other than the lies promoted by Mehlis), led directly to Syria being forced to withdraw its troops from Lebanon. It is obvious that that step was a necessary precondition of Israeli involvement in Lebanon.
2. The huge mystery of the current Israeli adventures is why Israel is sacrificing so much international goodwill in murdering innocent Lebanese civilians, when its stated goal is ‘self-defense’ against Hezbollah. In fact, Israel is spending an inordinate amount of time destroying Lebanese infrastructure and making direct attacks against the Lebanese army, the latter particularly odd if Israel really wants the Lebanese army to disarm Hezbollah. Israel’s actions are actually strengthening the position of Hezbollah, which isn’t so odd when you consider the fact that Israel has long helped to create its own enemies in order to have an excuse for colonialist attacks against them. In this case, attacks against the central Lebanese government and army appear to be leading to an argument that Lebanon – newly destroyed Lebanon – is incapable of living up to its international obligations to disarm Hezbollah, leading directly to the necessity of Israel entering Lebanon to do the job itself.
3. Israel has another motive in wanting to destroy Lebanese civil society, as such destruction is part of the Zionist Plan for the Middle East. Ideally, Lebanon will end up fractured on ethnic lines, following the Yinon plan of breaking all of Israel’s potential enemies into tiny statelets. A peaceful and tolerant and wealthy Lebanon is bad publicity for the general Zionist line that Arabs are incapable of such progress.
4. Hariri was one of the main architects of the reconstruction of Lebanon, and would not have stood for its re-destruction. He had a lot of powerful friends around the world, and would probably have been able to prevent the current Israeli attacks. Even if the attacks had done damage, he would have been able to lead the re-reconstruction, thwarting Israeli long-term plans. It was thus necessary to remove him as a precondition of the current Israeli attacks.
5. The original Official Story of the Hariri assassination was that it was an underground explosion of a type that only the Syrian intelligence services could have handled. When it turned out that the evidence indicated a truck bomb, the propaganda machine turned 180 degrees and declared that it was the work of an ‘al Qaeda’ group hired by the Syrians (odd given the fact that the Syrian government is probably the biggest enemy of al Qaeda). We have recently seen that the Israeli spy ring in Lebanon had very curious connections to al Qaeda organizations in Lebanon. It is not difficult to see how Israel managed to cloak the Hariri assassination, now clearly part of the current attack on Lebanon, in such a way as to direct blame towards Syria, thus leading directly to the removal of Syrian troops.
6. Israel has a number of goals in its current attacks, the ultimate one being fooling the Americans into another war for Israel, this time against Syria. The most feasible goal, however, is water. With the connivance of the Americans, Israel is resisting calls for any kind of ceasefire or negotiated settlement, as that would prevent Israel from achieving its real goal of seizing southern Lebanon, including control over the water in the Litani river (some of which is already being stolen by the Israelis). UN peacekeepers would make such a goal impossible, and so UN involvement must be resisted. The plan is to take over southern Lebanon under the guise of creating a Hezbollah-free buffer zone to protect Israel from Hezbollah rocket attacks. Of course, we’re supposed to forget the fact that the dangerous rocket attacks – the ones that haven’t been faked by the IDF – only occurred after the Israeli attack on Lebanon, and the fact that a buffer zone will have no effect on Hezbollah’s ability to send rockets into Israel. The real goal of the buffer zone will be to allow Israel to begin to siphon off greater quantities of Lebanese water.

It is only in the light of the ongoing crimes being committed by Israel in Lebanon that we can come to a full understanding of the real reason for the assassination of Rafik Hariri. Like Hollis Mulwray in the movie Chinatown, Hariri died so that water could be stolen.

http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2006/07/reassessing-hariri-assassination-in.html

7/22/2006 08:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And why should Israel not take the Litani?

It is the destiny of Israel to use the resources of the region to turn the deserts into an oasis of plenty.

What have the arabs done besides live like animals? They have no technology.

They have no future because all they do is look at the past and cry "Look at the misery you have created for us! It is your fault!" They have know ambition because they cannot give themselves a future by forgetting the past and just accepting what they have now...

To suggest otherwise and you are against Israel and anti-semitic!

7/22/2006 11:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To suggest otherwise and you are against Israel and anti-semitic!

Is this comment for real or is it parody? That "anti-Israel = anti-semitic" business is wearing thin -- so transparent as to be laughable. The last refuge of a zionist coward.

A true advocate for Jews would advocate the same thing for Jews, Arabs, Christians, Buddhists, etc.: a peaceful planet where everyone can raise their children together without fear. The radical zionists in charge of the current Israeli government are the true anti-semites.

7/22/2006 12:28:00 PM  
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Dan, can ya see that big, green tree?
Where the water's runnin' free
And it's waitin' there for me and you?



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All day I've faced a barren waste
Without the taste of water, cool water
Old Dan and I with throats burned dry
And souls that cry for water
Cool, clear, water

Keep a-movin, Dan, dontcha listen to him, Dan
He's a devil, not a man
He spreads the burning sand with water
Dan, can ya see that big, green tree?
Where the water's runnin' free
And it's waitin' there for me and you?

The nights are cool and I'm a fool
Each star's a pool of water
Cool water
But with the dawn I'll wake and yawn
And carry on to water
Water, water, water

Keep a-movin, Dan, dontcha listen to him, Dan
He's a devil, not a man
He spreads the burning sand with water
Dan, can ya see that big, green tree?
Where the water's runnin' free
And it's waitin' there for me and you?

Cool, clear, water
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7/22/2006 01:19:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

All but forgotten, the once pre-eminent journalist in Israel, Amos Elon, who has finally emigrated to Italy, has this to say about why Israel behaves as it does today, in a 2004 interview with Ari Shavit in Ha'aretz called “Zionism Has Exhausted Itself":

AS: Do you find Israel to be barbaric, unenlightened, nationalistic?

Elon: "In Israel there's the `Gush Dan' state and the political state. The `Gush Dan' state is a state of live-and-let-live. Of tolerance. Of the desire for peace and a good life. But the political state, well, you know what it looks like."

AS: What does it look like?

Elon: "It's partly quasi-fascist and partly religious with narrow horizons."

AS: Quasi-fascist?

Elon: "Quasi-fascist in the sense that abstract principles of religion are dictating our fate without any democratic process. There are religious people here who believe they've put their finger on the very essence of being. They know everything. They're in direct contact with God."

AS: You have some profound anti- religious sentiment.

Elon: "I'm not being original when I say that religion that enters politics is dangerous. Such religious people would be better off behind bars and not in politics. Certainly."

AS: The critical mistake of `67 opened the door to dark forces that overwhelmed the Israel to which you belonged, to which you felt a genuine closeness?

Elon: "There were two sources of the perversion: the mixture of religion with political policy and the secular right's military adventurism. Force. The worship of force. By the way, it hasn't only come from the Likud. It also came from Ahdut Ha'avoda (the United Workers Party, a precursor of the Labor Party), from people like Allon and Galili. Ahdut Ha'avoda always seemed to me to be a party of farmers fighting over each piece of land with pitchforks."

AS: And the result is that this place has corrupted itself?

Elon: "The occupation certainly corrupted Israeli society. There is no dispute about that."
AS: Has Israel slid into a situation that places it in a category other than the democratic Western nations?

Elon: "Without a doubt. And I'm still wracking my brain wondering what those people were thinking after the Six-Day War. How did they think they could keep it? What did Dayan think? Did he really think that if we just treat them nicely, everything will be fine? What provinciality it was. What historic ignorance. Had this ever happened anywhere else in the world? From this perspective, the Israeli occupation is perhaps the least successful attempt at colonialism that I can think of. This is the crappiest colonial regime that I can think of in the modern age."
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Now, here’s the chicken and egg: is this shift in Israel the result or the cause of the exact same, force-worshipping, direct-to-God linking movement that has overrun the US? Is it even possible to view what Israel is doing in Lebanon without considering the machinations of the other crappy colonial empire hacking up civilians (“…oh, about thirty thousand, give or take, {insert smirk here}) in Iraq? When Rice states that a ceasefire would be premature without allowing Israel to “degrade” Hezbollah’s military capacity; when Bolton explains (with a straight face and no indication of which is which) that we can’t negotiate with anyone who kills innocent civilians? If Amos Elon has despaired of the possibility of Israel coming back from its descent into fascism, why wouldn’t we?

7/22/2006 01:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another interesting backgounder on what can only be called Israeli liebensraum. Three links for you:

ISRAELI LEBENSRAUM: Israel Using DU, Chemical Weapons, and Poison Gas in Eugenics Warfare
author: Israeli eugenics watch

Our intelligence sources in Lebanon have reported to us exclusively that Israel is now using poison gas and depleted uranium shells on towns in the south of Lebanon. Residents of the small village of Kasarshoba became violently ill, experiencing severe vomiting, after the Israelis hit the village with poison gas. In other cases, underground shelters in southern Lebanon were hit by Israeli depleted uranium shells. ---

Theodor Hertzl one of the founders of Zionism, in true German liebensraum manner, said that Israel stretches from "the brook of Egypt to the Euphrates."

This liebensraum motif was cited to the U.N. in 1947--even after German ideas of such were discredited in WWII! And it was repeated in 1948 by Ben Gurion, quote below:

ISRAEL

"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

Ben Gurion's "Final (Arab) Solution"

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
-- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

"The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple."
-- Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997.

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

Israel Using DU, Chemical Weapons, and Poison Gas in Eugenics Warfare


ISRAEL: THE PIRATE STATE, Corp. criminals/murders flee to Israel, as, um, "investors", 20 points to ponder about the complete Israeli history

...

Personally, I think Jewish people indeed deserve some sort of state. Though THE CURRENT PIRATE STATE OF ISRAEL is is NOT that state, folks. It is a maw that will eat them and destroy them. That is why, when surveyed, most Jewish people living happily overseas note that Israel is one of the last places in Europe that they would want to visit.

...


In short, Israel is only a OCCULT STAGING GROUND....; it is historically a jurisdictional form of protection, a form of temporary staging ground for incubating global organized crime, religious fundamentalism conflict in the Middle East, strike-and-attack forces of terrorism, and encouraging a piratical, racist, military first strike plan for global domination allied to its U.S. allied groups. Israel is run by evil people.

Their court system was set up to be a global empire court system, according to its builders.

The safest diaspora should be the FLIGHT AWAY FROM ISRAEL INSTEAD OF TO IT. Some elites are intentionally building a powderkeg to be used for global domination staging.

Israel is that warfare staging ground for WWIII. It is a Middle East 'beachhead' for the NWO.


20 points of Israel as a pirate state state


and one last interesting Israeli post

Illuminati cell in Tel Aviv Israeli apartment got news blackout in U.S.:

There was a news blackout on this story in the United States. It was covered widely in television and newspapers in Israel in 1996--at least until the original newspaper reporting it, Davar Rishon, long stable financially for decades before the story, went bankrupt or was shut down immediately after breaking it to the public.

Connections/confirmations of symbolism in the Tel Aviv apartment are very reminiscent to Yale University's Skull and Bones branch.

Before taking leave of this chapter, we come full circle to the following incident excerpted from Traitors and Carpetbaggers in the Promised Land, which documents an Illuminati cell in Israel that the author witnessed on television and read about in the Israeli newspapers.

In May of 1996, residents of a Tel Aviv neighborhood allegedly complained to police about noise emanating from an apartment. Police, under circumstance not yet clear, entered the apartment with a reporter and found a rather unusual scene. According to the newsletter Inside Israel:

"The walls were covered with Latin script. Skull and bones graced the shelves, swords crossed and not were mounted above an altar. Five doors led to secret passageways, with red blinking lights signaling whoever was within, that intruders were present.

"In the brief and slightly publicized aftermath of the raid, a flurry of stories appeared about the influence of Masons and their role in the peace process, which is unpopular among large segments of Israel's population. Masons were initially blamed for the apartment and its cult-like d�cor."

It turns out that President Clinton, King Hussein of Jordan, and the late Israeli Prime Minister Yitzchak Rabin were all Masons and Masonic officials played a major role in facilitating a peace treaty between Israel and Jordan.

According to sources quoted in Inside Israel, the Masons were eagerly lobbying for influence with keepers of the Temple grounds for some apocalyptic event before the year 2000. The Temple is an important part of Masonic lore.

But their Grand Master in Israel issued a statement denying that the weird apartment had anything to do with Masonry. He actually claimed that the apartment was rented by a cult called the "Illuminati," which had nothing to do with Freemasonry, and demanded a public apology from the newspaper that broke the story.

The newspaper that broke the story, by the way, was a well-established left-leaning publication known as Davar Rishon. After decades of publishing, it went out of business shortly after printing the story. More strange tidbits are emerging.

In October of 1995, the Italian publication La Republica reported on the hold Masonry has over Israel's government. It turns out the former Mayor of Jerusalem, Ted Kollek, is also a Mason, whose last year in office witnessed a meeting between him and David Rockefeller for the purported reason of establishing a branch of Chase Manhattan in Jerusalem. Inside Israel revealed that the day after Rockefeller left, Mayor Kollek flew to Egypt for the first time in his life to discuss the future of Jerusalem. Simultaneously, the PLO began a campaign of liquidating dissidents who were attempting to derail their peace process. The timing of the Rockefeller visit was uncanny.

The most bizarre and perhaps historically significant event to follow this has been the emergency from obscurity of a cult that has been [publicly] unheard of for centuries. The Illuminati has a kind of precursor [or parallel oftentimes allied branch within Judaism], known as the "Sabbatean" movement. Historically, Sabbatians have been involved in radical, and Masonic-type movements. Others were prominent in finance in nineteenth century Europe.

Most known Sabbatians live in Turkey, although are undoubtedly followers of the cult elsewhere. They keep a very low profile. Perhaps one reason is that they practice wife swapping with the deliberate intent of creating "illegitimate" offspring. It is their goal to produce from these illicit unions the reincarnation of the founder of their cult, Messianic pretender Shabbetai Zvi, who died in Albania three hundred years ago after starting a movement that perverted everything Judaism stood for.

Sabbatian emissaries recently visited Jerusalem and asked to be allowed to reunite with the Jewish people from whom they split in the seventeenth century. They were told that they have to formally convert back to Judaism and presumably cease their weird practices. Reportedly, this requirement hasn't been well received. (Jerusalem Post, May 24, 1999).

Observers of these subversive influences in Israel see a deliberate attack on modern Israeli society and institutions from the outside. From these events, one sees some of the worst implications for national security in Israel.

Finally, the worst aspect of all this is that not one word has been heard about the Illuminati apartment or Masonic controversy in any American news publication.

Davar Rishon was not doubt read by foreign correspondents, and Israel is filled with reporters. Why the news blackout in the United States? Certainly any story about the Illuminati and/or the Sabbatians deserves some coverage.


From:
To Eliminate the Opiate, Volume 2, by Rabbi M. S. Antelman (2002), pp. 187-89.

Illuminati cell in Tel Aviv Israeli apartment got news blackout in U.S.

7/22/2006 02:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a letter I wrote to a friend of mine who is having a hard time coming to grips with the reality of who Israel really is. Please forgive me for such a lengthly post.

Dear Roy,

You wrote:

Dear Jim,
All a mess, the only way through is to pray as the prophets of old prayed.

Father, we have sinned.

I was out weeding my garden a few minutes ago and while I was weeding I was mulling over what you wrote, and these thoughts came, one right after another. I'll try my best to remember the order in which they came:

The main reason people sanction demonic leadership is because they have unforgiveness toward someone or something and as a consequence are fearful (per Matt. 18:34-35 and 1 John 4:18), then in that posture of fear they more or less automatically gravitate toward appointing leaders who they think will alleviate their fears, and as history bears out, in most cases the chosen leaders are demonic. In practically every society throughout history fear has been used to prop up so-called 'conservative' leadership because when people are frightened (on a demonic level especially) that's the kind of leadership they gravitate toward to protect them.

The enemy knows that people who are afraid will always seek out a leader who comes across as powerful, and behind that knowledge he inspires his handpicked leaders (of every generation)to exploit the mass fear so as to increase their control by using the age old Machivellian ploy of making enemies out of peoples or nations who are weak, and in an ongoing media campaign decrying those enemies as having the potential to do their nation harm, in order to make the people even more afraid than they already are, in order to garner even more support for the leadership than they already had, and through the ploy to further the kingdom of darkness' fundamental agenda of 'steal, kill, and destroy.' This has been the enemy's gameplan since the beginning of history (and it gives him immense satisfaction when it's being done in the Lord's name).

You said in response to the picture I sent that 'we have sinned' (by the way, the title of the picture is 'Mad Tea Party' posted on Rense.com yesterday). What I got was that we have sinned all right, against our own souls through our blind acceptance of the Machivellian ploy aimed against us by the enemy (though his handpicked establishment and their media democracy engine) ever since we were born.

In other words, we have sinned by our failure to do our own research into what's going on in favor of allowing 'professionals' to do for us what we should've been doing for ourselves, not only politically but also (and especially) spiritually. So our sins are the sins of unforgiveness, fear, blindness, credulity, laziness, pride (nationalistic pride and spiritual pride stacked on top of human pride in general), and stupidity, the same as the sins of the Jews (the true Jews) of Jeremiah's time who the Lord said (in chapter 7 verse 16) for him to stop interceding for.

The spritual war you keep making reference to has all to do with the minds of the world's peoples, the battlefield has to do with the realm of man's mind, over what people think (in the past you have even said so yourself). In view of that, in order to glean an idea of what the enemy wants people to think, all you have to do is look at what the mass media is squawking about. Right now in Western Culture it's all about garnering more and more support for the Mideast War, but behind it the true agenda is the 'God's Chosen People' scam. So if you want to talk about spiritual war, why not begin with what the war is really about?

At the risk of sounding redundant, this morning while I was thinking about your take on it I was reminded of Fred Klan's statement that the reason people don't want to investigate any further than what they're being fed by the establishment media is because when they start to investigate they soon find out that the people they've been putting their trust in for their information have been lying to them all along, and that the issues they've been lying about are a lot different than what the people have been being told, and the knowledge of it makes them feel bad, and people want to feel good, not bad, so they opt not to listen to the truth (this phenomenon is what psychologists refer to as 'cognitive dissonance'). And it is into that mix that you suggest we intercede to Father God? Why do that, seeing the people already have what they want?

This morning I was surfing around in a couple of the alternative news sites and I found an article that tells pretty much what I've been saying for years about the false Jews and false Israel. I like it when I find articles like that because it makes me feel like I'm not the Lone Ranger. Such articles are few and far between, but one thing I've noticed is that all of a sudden, especially in the last year, there are more and more such posts coming out in the alternative news, on the blogging sites especially. I found another article that was posted this morning about John Hagee's agenda of genocide of all the Arabs (and doing it in Jesus' name). I thought it to be more than mere coincidence that the article was posted this morning after my writing to you last night about him.

I see Hagee as the worst deciever in US history, with none before him being able to tie his shoe laces. He more than any person in US history (or quite possibly world history) personifes Jer. 5:31 seeing he is both prophet and priest (if the false prophet of Revelation 16:13, 19:20, and 20:10 is one man, it wouldn't at all surprise me to find out that Hagee is him).

The enemy has kept him in reserve until this time when he is being used to seal the fate of the US to usher her over to the Spirit of Antichrist. Not only the US because all of Western Culture will no doubt follow suit as they usually do. What's most distressing about it is that Hagee's major appeal is to professing Christians. We're in a spiritual war all right, and the banner of the enemy's forces is none other than the so-called 'Star of David'.

A few minutes ago I was walking out to my garden with emtpy bucket in hand on my way to go pick veggies, and when I got about halfway across the yard I heard the Lord say in my spirit "The truth is never popular." What followed was that in order to determine what the truth is, just look at what's popular and you can surmise that the truth is somewhere near the exact opposite.

See ya,

Jim

P.S. At the risk of being accused by you of trying to control you against your will, I'll send you the articles I mentioned, the one about Hagee and the one about false Israel, and I'll also send you a brief excerpt from another article about the origin of the so-called 'Star of David.' I figured I'd at least give you the opportunity to check out the info for yourself instead of taking my word for it. I thought it to be quite interesting what the article on the Star of David has to say about it being the symbol of Saturn; remember what the Lord spoke to me about back in 95 during the outpouring about who Saturn is and how he had me to research the subject? I find it all the more interesting as there is a clear connection between the Star of David (the Star of Saturn) and Antichrist, what symbol some researchers suspect to be the soon upcoming mark of the Beast.

7/22/2006 02:42:00 PM  
Blogger Et in Arcadia ego said...

"And why should Israel not take the Litani?

It is the destiny of Israel to use the resources of the region to turn the deserts into an oasis of plenty.

What have the arabs done besides live like animals? They have no technology.

They have no future because all they do is look at the past and cry "Look at the misery you have created for us! It is your fault!" They have know ambition because they cannot give themselves a future by forgetting the past and just accepting what they have now...

To suggest otherwise and you are against Israel and anti-semitic!"


Nazi Robot-Lobster Alert! Kindly shove your 'destiny' crap back up your own ass, plz..

7/22/2006 03:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

What have the arabs done besides live like animals? They have no technology.

Hmmm......just as I thought. All this talk about Iran developing Nuclear Technology to make Nuclear Tipped Missiles is a transparent smokescreen.

In general, when we apply your assertion to the prevailing mainstream perception, we can safely say that we have nothing to fear from the Technocratic Neanderthals......that this whole War on Terrorism is quite the sham, because these "animals" are quite harmless?

I must say, I agree with your conclusion that the War On Terror is a Crock, and that The Arabs are quite harmless, but I arrive at that conclusion without the twisted, perverted and sociopathic logic that escorted your arrival.

7/22/2006 03:49:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

Hmm. Cannonfire was also posting about this Hagee guy this morning -- probably with reference to the same article mentioned a couple of posts up. Not a name I was familiar with, but he sounds worth keeping an eye on.

Sarah Posner, in the American Prospect, has a frightening expose of the influential Texas pastor John Hagee, who is pushing for a joint U.S.-Israel war on Iran. "Dr." Hagee, as he styles himself, claims that the book of Esther predicted this battle. (Esther is a prophetic work? News to me...)

Hagee has ties to the powerful, both in the United States and in Israel. . . . Hagee hopes to establish a Christian pro-Israel PAC, more powerful than AIPAC itself.

Money also seems to play a huge role in Hagee's theocratic politics. He counsels his flock to give endlessly, since donations to his ministry constitute "the only proof you have that the cancer of greed has not consumed your soul.” This, from a guy who is worth millions.

If investigations of the current Washington scandals run deep enough, Hagee's name may show up. He broadcasts on the TBN network run by Pat Crouch, the close friend of the corrupt congressman Duke Cunningham. (Incidentally, gay rumors have swirled around both Crouch and Cunningham, who have both displayed an affection for ornate, effeminate furnishings.) Not only that. Hagee is a close associate of Tom Delay.

Hagee sends millions to Israel. DeLay, we now know, has involved himself with money laundering. The previous two sentences may have a connection.

And if that conspiratorial insinuation strikes you as over-the-top, I would counter that Hagee deserves to receive what he dishes out. He happens to be quite the conspiratorialist in his own right -- in fact, this page claims him as a proponent of the Illuminati conspiracy theory. I'd like to see some confirmation of this, since the Illuminati-spotters tend to be thinly-disguised anti-Semites (their cited sources usually head in the direction of Nesta Webster and William Guy Carr) -- while Hagee is the most ardent supporter of Israel on the Christian right.


Link

7/22/2006 04:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You all speak as if you know the palestinian nomads as a friend. I will tell you this, if you think they are so friendly, then why don't you go to a palestinian town and try to live there. They would slit your throat if you give them the chance, even a small child would do this!

You know nothing of the middle east but think as if it is a TV show with good guys and bad guys drawn as a picture. I will tell you this also, it is their custom for deception, this is not a stereotype but look at the proof! Look at how they strap bombs to a child! Is this a peaceful person who does this?

Fire can only be fought with fire, not water. To extinguish the flame is to submit to total darkness, there can be only one people to control the light.

7/22/2006 05:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you want to understand the probable dynamics of the Israel-Arab conflict, go dust a copy of Zbigniew Brzezizziziziziski's "The Grand Chessboard."

See, not only are we an Empire now, what with the making our own reality while the nudniks study it, but we've always been an Empire, or at least, an Empire in waiting. After all the pretenders bled themselves white from WWI and WWII, we assumed the mantle.

How does an Empire govern? It's in the book. Divide and conquer. Keep your vassals squabbling, weak, and divided. Keep the tributaries pliant, so the tribute keeps rolling in.

You think the Arab and Israeli PEOPLE want to kill each other? They care as much about killing each other as Tennesseeans care about killing Illinoisians . . . until they are whipped up into a frenzy that is. But even then, if left alone, they go back to the default condition of not caring.

It's always the leaderships who make policy. I assure you that Israeli democracy is as fraudulent as U.S. democracy. As for the Arab states, most are authoritarian.

The U.S. has consistently supported war-mongers in these countries. They don't care as much about ideology as they do about perpetual war. That's why you have covert support of Iran, an "official" enemy of the U.S., and covert sabotage of Israel, an "official" ally of the U.S.

We want them to kill each other; that way they don't unite against us. That would be a disaster. Can you imagine if there was peace in the Middle East? It would become a super-power within a few decades. Imagine if that oil wealth was invested wisely, instead of squandered. But anyone with those kind of pretensions gets whacked.

Of course, it's the same as with the U.S., the people are kept just comfortable enough not to mutiny. That's key.

7/22/2006 05:57:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Just working on the dialectic me thinks.

the observers are polled, sorted and readied for programming.

group 1... Zionist conspiracy

group 2 Military Industrial gold digging conspiracy

group 3. Israeli's done wrong by Balfour and need more territory including water toward manifest destiny conspiracy.

group 4..Armageddon conspiracy.

group 5..Unfinished Crusades conspiracy.

group 6..traumatized Israeli's versus Goliath aliens conspiracy.

group 7.. Internet bloggers out of control conspiracy


group 8 yadda yadda CNN yadda yadda conspiracy.

group 9..DIS traction conspiracy.

group 10..



conspiracy.

7/22/2006 06:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Surely there's a way to tap into the melting polar caps. What a shame to let all that fresh water go to waste.

See, Global Warming's our friend.....and so is Global Dimming.

7/22/2006 07:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Anonymous said...
You all speak as if you know the palestinian nomads as a friend. I will tell you this, if you think they are so friendly, then why don't you go to a palestinian town and try to live there. They would slit your throat if you give them the chance, even a small child would do this!

You know nothing of the middle east but think as if it is a TV show with good guys and bad guys drawn as a picture. I will tell you this also, it is their custom for deception, this is not a stereotype but look at the proof! Look at how they strap bombs to a child! Is this a peaceful person who does this?

Fire can only be fought with fire, not water. To extinguish the flame is to submit to total darkness, there can be only one people to control the light.

5:19 PM


Mr. Mojo Risin...Mr. Mojo Risin

7/22/2006 07:43:00 PM  
Anonymous A. Magnus said...

I'm getting quite upset at all the Jew hating Zionist trolls popping up on this board. No that is not a contradiction in terms. Zionists are essentially apostate Bolsheviks who think they could force G-d's hand to bring the Messiah by violating G-d's commandments to create the national socialist state of Israel.

It is well known that the Zionists collaborated with Hitler (www.barrychamish.com) and in fact actively prevented the escape of Jews from Nazi occupied Europe who wished to emigrate elsewhere than Palestine. Just ask the Torah True Jews of the Neuturei Karta (www.jewsagainstzionism.com) about that. They believe the secular state of Israel is an abomination.

Israel was given the land of Canaan only on condition that its people follow G-d's laws(see Deuteronomy). Coveting your neighbor's land, killing him to get it and worshipping a piece of dirt instead of the Most High are three of the 10 commandments the Zionists violated just to create the state of Israel. G-d will judge them accordingly.

7/22/2006 08:05:00 PM  
Anonymous silverfox said...

"The quality of mercy is not strain'd,
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest:
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes.
It is mightiest in the mightiest: it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown;
His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptred sway,
It is enthroned in the hearts of kings,
It is an attribute to God himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God's,
When mercy seasons justice.

Therefore, Jew,
Though justice be thy plea, consider this,
That in the course of justice none of us
Should see salvation: we do pray for mercy;
And that same prayer doth teach us all to render
The deeds of mercy."

William Shakespeare, "The Merchant of Venice", Act 4 scene 1

In my day committing that passage to memory was mandatory for every grade nine lit class in most of North America.

Funny how some things,(like committing such thoughts to memory)have changed while others, like demanding that deadly "pound of flesh" for some unpaid debt that Shakespearean discourse refers to obviously still hasn't...hmmm?

But there is more to the countless, nameless, pounds of flesh being taken every day in these vicious Israeli attacks than some mere revenge for a couple of stray soldiers being captured on some highly disputed turf or a few small rockets fired in their way.

The equally astounding and shamefull lack of even the slightest human concern over the carnage, let alone any diplomatic efforts to put an end to these outrageous attacks on completely defenceless civilians on the part of US authorities, tells me that this latest episode is just another "Dark Days" installment courtesy of the Bush cabal.

Hezbollah, which has always shown a remarkable degree of organization and determination draws its real financial and military support from Syria and Iran. They are the ultimate targets for both the US and Israel. Lebanon is simply the very bloody red flag being waved in their faces for effect.

If Hezbollah enjoys the political support of the Lebanese civilians currently being targeted with such extreme prejudice it is simply because it alone has defended them and sheilded them from lawlessness when no one else could or would. Beyond that, those civilians are merely being chopped up for bait.

It may have been Hezbollah that originally forced the Israelis out of southern Lebanon, and no doubt there's an element of "pay-back" on the part of the Israelis for that slight military humiliation, but that alone would not have been enough for what we're currently seeing if the US didn't give this operation a green light and the Israeli government enough confidence to push it to this extreme.

Now Bush desperately wants to hit both Syria and Iran and widen the existing war so badly he can probably taste it...hmmm?

So far, however,he's been unable to find even the lamest excuse for doing it, so what better way than to have his co-conspiritors in Israel simply provide one for him and further their own ambitions of savagely destroying their unfriendly neighbours at the same time?

If the Iraelis can commit a sufficiently outrageous enough atrocity against these Lebanese Shias, some kind of a determined retalliation will simply be expected to be taken in return, or if need be it could always be made to look as if it had...hmmm?

Regardless of who actually makes it or what form it takes (terrorism anyone?), it will of course be attributed to either Syria or Iran, or perhaps both, and Bush will simply say he has to order the air strike he's been itching to make.

Now there are always local spoils of war to be taken, like the looting of the National Museum in Baghdad. The water from the Litani may well fit into that category but the scope of the plans currently unrolling calls for nothing less than a ongoing war throughout the entire region with the ultimate destabilization of all the oil producing arab nations.

The intent is to both raise world oil prices as high as possible and create a veritable bottomless pit to simply swallow hundreds of billions, perhaps even trillions, in munitions and military hardware.

In short, a rolling "juggernaut". A war that feeds a permanent oil crisis and an oil crisis that will continually feed that war.

An endless boom for US oil and defence industries that will leave their private vacuum cleaners running 24/7 to suck the last bit of life out of the US treasury and put the final nail securely into the coffin of an equally lifeless American democracy.

7/22/2006 09:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"An endless boom for US oil and defence industries that will leave their private vacuum cleaners running 24/7 to suck the last bit of life out of the US treasury and put the final nail securely into the coffin of an equally lifeless American democracy."

Actually, no, if "the Wanta Plan" gets through all the criminality that runs the U.S. there is a shot in the arm of 2.7 trillion now, and 27 trillion upcoming.

This would effectively remove the "sabotage" by Bush's treasonous attempt to destroy the U.S. economy.

More on that here.

"Wanta added their was no justification to hold up the settlement and has given the Fed a July 31 to release the money or he plans to pursue all legal avenues to gain control of the total 27.5 trillion. However, financial observers claim if Wanta proceeds after the total amount it could bankrupt many large worldwide financial institutions, lacking the liquidity to meet Wanta's request, as much of the money has been illegally diverted or stolen by corrupt U.S. officials like Bush and Clinton. Dubbed the Wanta Plan by financial onlookers, analysts suggests the massive settlement if used properly could once again turn around the U.S. economy, erase the Bush-orchestrated 8 trillion plus National Debt and again put the needs of the American people and its faltering infrastructure at the forefront instead of in the background, as planned by the New World Order's plan to destabilize the economy and destroy America from within."

The money is booty used in the Cold War against the USSR, hidden illegally by "the Treason Two" Bill Clinton and George H. W. Bush working in cahoots with each other, to keep the money as their personal global terrorism and bribe stash.

Federal Reserve Board Impedes The Wanta Plan, Fed Wants 1929 style crash for its masters.
here

And it seems that moral Jewish people are waking up to their righteous anger at Israel for attempting to start a war. Good for them!

Jewish Groups Protest Israel’s Military Actions

New America Media, News Report, Elena Shore, Jul 18, 2006

SAN FRANCISCO – About 300 people demonstrated outside the Israeli Consulate in San Francisco Monday to demand an end to Israel’s military attacks on Gaza and Lebanon. Demonstrators said the rally reflects a growing trend among American Jews to voice their criticism of the policies of the Israeli government.

Seventeen protesters were arrested for blocking traffic when they locked arms and sat down in the street. The protest was organized by the groups Jewish Voice for Peace, Jews for a Free Palestine and Break the Silence.
Photo by Bill Carpenter, courtesy of SF Bay Area Independent Media Center

Crowds gathered in front of the consulate, holding signs that read “U.S. Jews say: Stop all bombing of civilians” and “Break the cycle of violence – negotiate.” Some waved Palestinian flags. Demonstrators talked over the music of the local band BLO (Brass Liberation Orchestra).

Samantha Liapes, a member of Jews for a Free Palestine and one of the organizers of the demonstration, says that as the situation in the Middle East becomes more dire, an increasing number of American Jews are beginning to openly question Israel’s actions.

“Since the founding of Israel, there have been large numbers of Jews who have been critical of Israel’s policies,” said Liapes. “Many have chosen to be silent because of pro-Israel pressures and the mainstream conflation of being critical of Israel with being anti-Semitic.”

“Now the risk of a major regional conflict, a war, scares people,” adds Liapes. “They see that this could be prevented, that military action and violence is being used as a first resort.”

...

here

7/22/2006 10:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You all speak as if you know the palestinian nomads as a friend. I will tell you this, if you think they are so friendly, then why don't you go to a palestinian town and try to live there. They would slit your throat if you give them the chance, even a small child would do this!

Actually, I know an Irish-American guy who did go to Palestine. Granted, he's an anti-Zionist activist, but they did not "slit [his] throat". In fact, they treated him very well. It's the IDF that had it out for him.

I'm certainly not so naive that I think the representatives of Palestinians are completely blameless. But this kind of demonizing is obviously either incompetent propaganda or the rantings of an ignorant brainwashed fool.

7/22/2006 11:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The purpose of Israel is to protect something. Almost all of the Jews have no idea what that something is, but it the ultimate reason why they are the Chosen People.

On the day they realise what it is, the entire world will be a different place.

7/23/2006 04:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Alice said...

To the fool ranting about 'Palestinian nomads': I have indeed visited many Palestinian towns, and was welcomed with the Palestinians' quite famous hospitality and courtesy. My experience is far from unique, as most visitors to Palestinian towns are quite taken with the generous and friendly people there.

Have I mentioned that the Palestinians are among the most educated people, per capita, in the world?

Indeed, the only people who tend to complain about how 'unfriendly' Palestinians are, are those who 'visit Palestinian towns' in a Merkav tank, shooting and murdering indiscriminately, accompanied by bulldozers that demolish the residents' homes and uproot their olive groves. Or those who follow, carrying machine guns as they settle into their new homes built on top of the Palestinian ruins.

Hmmm... If you've had a negative experience with 'visits' to Palestinian towns, have you considered that the fault could lie with YOU???

7/23/2006 07:13:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Years ago I spent much time talking speculative philosophy with a friend. Not being formally educated myself; this friend provided great help in placing my ideas within larger philosophical contexts. He helped me to see where the ideas fit or did not fit.

He moved away, and I miss our conversations greatly. On a return visit he turned me on to Abraham Heschel, because he said that my speculations related in some way to the material of Heschels. Considering my somewhat negative attitude towards religion in general, I was gratified to find in Abraham Heschel a love and wisdom so deep that it served as proof of his intimate connection to the ineffable. So I pay attention.

Heschel said there are three types of people. There are those that seek salvation. Those that seek self-abdignation. And those that seek fellowship. While those that seek fellowship may be much greater in number, it is the Salvationists and the self-abdignationists that tend to introduce coercive elements so as to develop and maintain influence. This reflects unbalanced relations between Agada and Halacha, or the Law and Spontaneity.

There may be some strain in our relationship as my friend is Zionist and I am anti-zionist, yet there will always be love and appreciation on my part simply because he provided such crucial help to me in shaping my thinking.

Enough for now.

7/23/2006 08:30:00 AM  
Blogger GT said...

Shrubbageddon... although your name is a give-away to the obvious fact that you were writing tongue-in-cheek, bear in mind that many readers here are products of the US public education system and will have difficulty with the concept of parody.

To those who replied to M. geddon with rejoinders including vignettes about Palestinian hospitality,. that is what he (Shrubageddon) was drawing attention to.

I was saying to a couple of chums just the other day that Americans have a devil of a time understanding anything that is not spelled out in nice sloganistic terms (I was pointing out how it is only in the US that a PROTEST song like "Born in the USA" - with its tale of urban decay an de-industrialisation and its impact on the poor man's son - could become the ersatz anthem of the unwashed Red-Stater... it's too subtle, and all the Red-Staters 'get' is the driving music).

Anyhow - I don't suppose I get the 'sharpest knife in the drawer' prize either - after all, I have been cheking the OLD rigorousinntuition site and wondering why Jeff has taken such a long hiatus.

By the way - I particularly like Dershowitz's new-fangled theory of civilian responsibility (those who don't leave when told to by their invaders, are responsible for anything that happens to them).

For one, it kind of vindicates the "there was no holocaust" crowd... after all, World Jewry declared war on the Krauts in 1933, and the subsequent Krautish government (led by a chap with a little moustache, whose name I forget but who apparently grew up to be Saddam Hussein) then warned them to bugger off.

By Dershowitz'logic, anything that happened subsequentyly was just the Third Reich solving its internal 'terror problem'.

I wonder how Professor Dershowitz feels about that? Someone should ask him.


Paris is AWFUL at the moment. Sweat in the bum-crack, and Americans infesting every pavement with their flabby arms and bad manners. So I am out in the country... but I miss my Aussie Rules.

Pip pip...



GT.

7/23/2006 11:52:00 AM  
Blogger AJ said...

Roy/Jim,

Interesting comments concerning Israel and how the Christian Right in North America has induced a psychological meme equating any suggestions of wrong doing by Israel directly to being anti- Bible/God (those that love Israel God loves, those that hate Israel, God will hate) , anti-American( military support) , and very possibly labeled as a Nazi. What better way to get away with punishment for reaching into the cookie jar than by simply saying they were made for a purpose. End discussion.
Concerning Rev. Haggee as a bilious wealthy God-ordained blowhard for emancipation to salvation I agree. But I
do not
see much difference between him and other equally entitled Sheppards such as
the likes
of Robertson, Dobson or Falwell. Remember ol' Jerry accepted plenty of money from Moon, and "gifts" from the state of Israel years back.
Ya, know sometimes it just pays to be Jewish.

P.S.
"Americans infesting every pavement with their flabby arms and bad manners.."

Got a problem with that French boy?:)

7/23/2006 12:37:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

I wonder who is posting these comments to PBS?

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=54720&view=next&sid=3d5329d1ccba88d7c82ed893fbdba6b9

7/23/2006 05:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Hw does this Scarcty of Water Issue square with Iridescent Cuttlefish's thesis concerning Capitalism and Scarcity Exploitation?

Also, a couple of other points made by posters on several recent threads come to mind. There was the rather blunt and brutal one about mitigating The Breeders and Depopulating and then there wass the one about creating an EcoDemocracy with sustainability as its central tenet.

Some nice compare and constrast material here for those with the time to expound.

7/23/2006 08:18:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Shrubageddon (and the quiet little post on nanotech riding to the rescue) reminded me of my own overarching POV--that 9/11 and the imperial adventures in the Middle East are basically pretexts and diversions in late-stage capitalism’s final assault/last gasp before the façade maintained by technological suppression and artificial scarcity crumbles--which somewhat escaped my focus as I read Jeff’s water hijinks post, because something else was ‘clicking’ for me. It involves, as S intimated, quite a few of the ideas running through the recent threads here (the Vatican pedophilia cover-up, the issue of fake antisemitism, etc) as well as my own current reading. It’s actually only a sort of fuzzy epiphany, as it raises more questions than it answers, and yet something feels vaguely right about it.

Here’s how it happened: I’m plowing through a hugely fat, rather dry and overly careful historical analysis called “The Third Reich in Power,” the 2nd volume in the unfinished trilogy by Cambridge prof Richard J. Evans, who is solid, stolid and definitely not in any sense “radical”. In fact, I had been getting a bit annoyed at the short shrift he gave to the role of the transnational corporations in Hitler’s ascension, when suddenly bells started ringing in his treatment of how the Nazis dealt with the threat they perceived the Catholic Church to be. Evans’ take was that Goebbels personally took over after an earlier effort to emasculate the Church by restricting parochial school attendance and Catholic youth group membership (which were seen as competition for fascist state indoctrination and the Hitler Youth respectively) completely backfired, sending many thousands of pissed off Catholics into the streets of Oldenburg, as well as swastika flags into the gutters and even a wave resignations from the Nazi Party, which had never happened before.

Hitler was apparently so angry that he wanted to round up all the priests and send them to Sachsenhausen with Martin Niemoeller (author of the famous “When they came for the Communists I did nothing..” speech), but Goebbels was nervous about such a move because Niemoeller was already getting them very negative international press and because they still hadn’t annexed Austria, which was nearly universally Catholic. So, in a brilliantly calculated maneuver, Goebbels dug up a few cases of alleged pedophilia, combined them with rumors of rampant homosexuality in the German monastaries, inflated the numbers involved and cooked up a prodigious scandal where none had been before. He also utilized photo op field trips where kids who weren’t even Catholic were whipped into a Salem-style hysteria, screaming (in front of reporters) not to let the sex fiends get their hands on them. Within a few months parochial attendance went from 95% in Oldenburg to 5%, the local Hitler Youth group mushroomed overnight, Catholic monastaries, lay buildings and finances were confiscated, and many hundreds of priests and monks were (quietly) led off to various concentration camps.

I’m not in any way saying that the story of the pedophilia cover-up in recent discussions is related, but hysterical denunciations and faked repressed memories do happen occasionally, in wave-like patterns. The question this raises is who could be orchestrating the faked ones and why? I once knew a teacher who was Salem-ed, the very strictest teacher in my grade school, and even though the kid recanted (her father was later charged with the identical crimes) the teacher was broken, shamed out of the profession. Innocent, even. There’s tremendous power in the mob.

The other mob I thought of was the current wave of real and/or imagined antisemitism. Evans also touched on this, describing the Propaganda Ministry’s efforts to inflame the nascent and deeply-rooted antisemitism in Germany into a force which could be reliably used to intimidate, cajole and generally brainwash segments of the population which weren’t quite down with the program enough for Goebbels. In this case, Evans’ account immediately caused me to understand what’s been happening at the site where I used to be a regular (Information Clearinghouse). I had already been challenging some of the more rabid Jew-biters for their obvious manipulation by the likes of Rense and others of his ilk, but the owner of that site, the good and homorable Tom Feely had to shut his comment field down before I really realized what was going on there. It wasn’t just the same phrases and vitriol lifted from Rense that sank ICH—it was precisely the same stuff that Goebbels cooked 70 years ago. Today I was linking through a bunch of unfamiliar blogs and websites which had large comment fields running, and I found the same posters spouting the same crap who had just shut down ICH. They didn’t even bother changing their handles!

I don’t know that any of this stuff is being pumped by the Israeli cell phone scammers, but it’s big, and I think I’m guessing better why this is happening. Like all good deceptions, it’s got at least two faces. It provides convenient evidence for accusations of antisemitism, which can get “undesirable” sites and other organizations shut down and/or discredited, and it also builds a very easy, very familiar scapegoat for when things go sour. If old loves die hard, then ancient hatreds must be about immortal. I have no doubt that Jews are getting used, set up for some kind of fall, but I still can’t get my head around why they would let themselves be used in this way, unless they’re just being sold out by their “leaders,” the same as the rest of us. All signs seem to point, as others here have noted, to the “Christian” Zionists, although that particular endgame is still unclear to me. Why would Israel let its already tarnished image be shat upon by this Lebanese horror? Or, again, is it simply because, as Amos Elon declared as he left Israel in digust, that the people in charge there now are so far gone in the madness of fascism and religion and that, like in the States, the citizen-consumers don’t really have any voice, any representation at all? (Well, I appear to have answered my own question--we're all getting dicked around and led by the nose, obviously--but if anyone has any further thoughts on this, I'd be interested...)

7/24/2006 12:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think they would have built that Masonic inspired Israeli Supreme Court building if destroying Jerusalem was in the cards.

7/24/2006 12:59:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Anon 5:57 said,
”Of course, it's the same as with the U.S., the people are kept just comfortable enough not to mutiny. That's key.”

Reading Howard Zinns book The Peoples History of the United States, illustrates this point quite well. The timing of major events seem to be manufactured to divert attention from emerging recognition of cultural shortcomings; found in class tensions or minority group demands for instance.

Irie said;
“Well, I appear to have answered my own question--we're all getting dicked around and led by the nose, obviously--but if anyone has any further thoughts on this, I'd be interested...)”
That whole post is relavent and well said Irie.

We will stop being dicked around to the extent that we come to realize the shortcomings and manipulative nature of our current criteria for understanding, and then in turn we create a healthier and more dynamic set of criteria for understanding. In my book we are still a long way from this, but I would really like to re-write this book.

7/24/2006 07:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

My Book's an easy read. All the pages have gone missing, except one. Can you guess the one remaining page? Okay, I'll tell you. It has two words.

THE END

Not very uplifting, unless you're a Misanthrope.

7/24/2006 08:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I guess this means the Red-Dead Canal/Peace Conduit is not a go? Not that it ever was, really.

7/24/2006 09:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Actually, I think the Water Issue is quite real, and rather alarming. The entire World, it appears, is facing an impending crisis, and the issue is being ignored, at least offcially.

Here's a link that discusses the it on a Global Scale and the resulting implications:

http://www.cgiar.org/newsroom/releases/news.asp?idnews=133

From the link:

If current trends in water policy and investment hold or worsen, we will soon face threats to the global food supply, further environmental damage, and ongoing health risks for the hundreds of millions of people lacking access to clean water. These findings come from Global Water Outlook to 2025: Averting an Impending Crisis, a report by the International Food Policy Research Institute (IFPRI) and the International Water Management Institute (IWMI).
7he research projects that by 2025, water scarcity will cause annual global losses of 350 million metric tons of food production - more than the entire current yearly U.S. grain harvest.

"Unless we change policies and priorities, in twenty years, there won't be enough water for cities, households, the environment, or growing food," cautioned Dr. Mark Rosegrant, lead author of the report and senior research fellow at IFPRI. "Water is not like oil. There is no substitute. If we continue to take it for granted, much of the earth is going to run short of water or food-or both."

Increased competition for water will severely limit the availability of water for irrigation, which in turn will seriously constrain the world's production of food. Declines in food supply could cause prices to skyrocket, and higher prices will lead to significant increases in malnutrition, since many poor people in developing countries already spend more than half their income on food.
In response to these challenges, the Consultative Group for International Agricultural Research (CGIAR) has announced an new initiative that brings together development experts with the international and national agricultural research communities, to focus the best minds in these fields on solving the world water crisis. Known as the CGIAR Challenge Program on Water and Food, the initiative promises to make a significant impact on solving the world's water problem, especially for people living in poor rural areas
"With 70 percent of all available freshwater supplies used to grow food - and closer to 90 percent in developing countries - it is clear that the biggest potential for gaining more from our dwindling water resources is to reduce the amount of water used in agriculture, so that it can serve other uses. This program sets out to produce more food with less water, while maintaining the health of populations and a responsible environmental balance," says Frank Rijsberman, director general of IWMI and chair of the Water and Food Challenge Program consortium.


The Intinerary and Accompanying Ticket state in clear and precise language...

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Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Here's a link to a highly informative book on the subject entitled Pillar of Sand: Can the Irrigation Miracle Last?
By Sandra Postel.

http://books.google.com/books?id=QbCxGMTWWmwC&pg=PR5&lpg=PR5&dq=Iraq+sits+atop+a+huge+water+aquifer&sig=V9X8J7ojDqdCUoo5PVWUC9OhK_I


My essay and analogy of the fetus/mother in disequilibrium is completely appropriate. We're going to consume ourselves into annihilation.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Before you all move on to another topic, ponder on this. There are better minds out there amongst you lot than mine so please make some sense out of my thoughts and intuition.
An ealier poster touched upon the huge masonic Supreme Court that Rothschild has built in Jerusalem. This building is far too big for a tiny state like Israel. I believe there is also a huge senate building of "disproportionate" size.
Why have they been built? There is something much deeper to all this middle eastern conflict that has been going on for thousands of years. Why the Crusades? What is so important about this region that has been called the omphalus of the world? Why is the Temple Mount so sacred to all religions? What energy lies there? Why is it so important to control this place?
The jews and Israelis are not that different from the rest of us. They must be appalled by the Zionist slaughter in Lebanon and Gaza just like we are. Are they being used by some ultra-secretive cabal for some sinister purpose? Are we all going to be ruled from Jerusalem by these mystery people?
They have their talons in every country on the planet stirring things up, creating divisions, enforcing multi-culturism, dunmbing us down, destroying our religions, annihilating our history and culture. What is REALLY going on?

There is more to this than this non-stop war over territory.

Answers please!

7/24/2006 06:29:00 PM  
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We seem to have no clue as to how far up the causal chain from which we may potentially operate. With our static worldview it is no surprise that it seems the sky is falling down.

The melodrama is boring me, yet seems to provide the major means of entertainment for most people.

(and a fine opportunity for the purveyors of the essentials to reprice their wares.)

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Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Shrubageddon echoes Jeff’s original point about water resource manipulation and others have added notes from the cautionary tales of hydrologists who foresee extreme shortages. We’ve gotten used to seeing geo-petro-politics played like a shell game, with chintzy, tattered “shells” labeled “democracy” and “national security,” but where in all this are the efforts to address the alleged shortages? Seriously. We’ve known about Peak Oil and dessicated aquifers since the ‘60s, and yet what’s been done, other than all the clandestine (and, recently, overt) destabilization games in order to secure supposedly dwindling supplies?

When tiny Latin American countries attempt to control their own natural resources, “American interests” get uneasy and governments get toppled, nuns get raped, local heroes get assassinated, and yet no national security alerts over oil and water disappearing have set Manhattan Projects into motion for alternatives? What conclusions can be drawn from this? I see basically three:

1.) Our dear leaders are devout Christians eagerly anticipating the warm glow of a spectacular Armageddon (Interior Secy. Watt: “When the last tree is felled, Christ will return.”)

2.) Technological solutions have already been found (free energy, nanotech assemblers and replicators) and the elites are simply goosing the golden egg as long as they can before life is revealed to be quite easy after all.

3.) Solutions have been found, but sharing is caring and Kayne West was spot on when he described W’s empathy for his swarthy brethren; let the culling commence and when the skin tone of the species is properly vanilla-ed, then the miracle gadgets can come out of the black budget garage.

If this were a poll among RI devotees, would the results indicate more about the state of the world or about the level of our cynicism, or would the answer to this last question be “all of the above”?

7/24/2006 09:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry that this is off-topic and if this news has already been covered, but I'm simply bemused by:

Buzz Aldrin's comment (doco interview) about seeing a UFO:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=17435592&method=full&siteid=66633&headline=man-on-moon--we-saw-a-ufo--name_page.html

Apollo 11's never-before-seen high-res tapes go missing. Apparently there are 700 boxes full of footage and 698 boxes have gone missing:

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32989

http://www.honeysucklecreek.net/Apollo_11/tapes/Apollo_11_Tape_Search_Flyer.pdf

What's going on?

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