Friday, September 01, 2006

"Why are they doing this?"



Early next mornin' as the crowd it passed by
The little boy was gone and they all wondered why - Hank Williams


No time right now to comment, other than to wonder if America will ever be ready to follow the rabbit on this one.

Break in the Johnny Gosch Case?

West Des Moines, August 31 - Investigators say there could be a break in one of Iowa's most well known cold cases.

In 1982 12-year-old Johnny Gosch disappeared while on his paper route. But just this weekend, Gosch's mother says she found two pictures outside her home. West Des Moines Police say the pictures are of young males about 10 to 14-years-old.

Police along with the Iowa Department of Criminal Investigation are now trying to determine if the pictures are authentic or doctored with a computer.


More disturbing details emerge in this AP story:

Mother of Abducted Child Gets Photos 24 years Later of Boy Bound, Gagged

Des Moines, Iowa - The mother of a boy abducted 24 years ago said she is bewildered by two photographs left at her front door, apparently showing her son and two other children bound and gagged.

The old photos appear to show 12-year-old Johnny Gosch with his mouth gagged and his hands and feet tied. The boy is wearing the same sweatpants Johnny was wearing when he disappeared while delivering newspapers on the morning of Sept. 5, 1982, his mother said.

"It's like reliving it," Noreen Gosch told The Associated Press on Thursday night. "But the bigger picture is, 'Why are they doing this?'

"Whoever had these photos had them for 24 years. I don't understand why they would do this now. It must be some kind of message."

Gosch said investigators confirmed the photos were authentic and likely taken within "hours or days" of the abduction. She said they were checking for fingerprints that could lead them to the source and possibly a breakthrough in a case that has long baffled authorities. The other boys in the photo were unidentified.


Meanwhile, Ivy League business professor Lawrence Scott Ward, a consultant to the Executive Office of the President and the Special Action Office for Drug Abuse Prevention, has been nabbed at Dulles Airport holding luggage containing videos of him having sex with children as young as eight. And in Atlanta, Israeli diplomat Yosef Sagir Ofri has been arrested on suspicion of possession of child pornography and the attempted seduction of a child online.

Three incidents reported in isolation. And there is, of course, no evident direct connection. Only something like pattern recognition. Are we mad, or wrong, for recognizing it? Some would say. As Duane "Dewey" Claridge, former head of the CIA's Counterterrorism Center, told ABC's Nightline regarding Gary Webb's Dark Alliance: "Don't give me that conspiracy bullshit! There's never been a conspiracy in this country." And that was just with respect to the agency's deniable hand in the global narcotics trade. Imagine the denials to the charge of covert child abduction and the peddling of underage flesh. Yet the pattern abides.

"I don't understand why they would do this now. It must be some kind of message."

What kind of message do they usually send?

186 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blackmailers are tweeking at the strings of politicians. They want something--a war, a nuke on Iran--more concessions to poisoning every living being etc etc--so they are giving the ropes a little jerk. Ya better come through for us or YOU'RE NEXT...

9/01/2006 04:22:00 PM  
Blogger SMiles said...

Last night I watched MEMORY OF A KILLER. Man it was sure nice seeing the scumbags get there comeupance via Lead Poisoning.

"Belgium viewers of this crime thriller would have undoubtedly been reminded of serial killer Marc Dutroux. The ringleader of an international child prostitution and pornography ring, Dutroux was convicted of kidnapping, torturing and sexually abusing six girls, ages 8 to 19 (four of whom died), in the mid-'90s. The flagrant negligence and incompetence of governmental officials and the police, who ignored a tip from an informant and Dutroux's own mother, led to the reorganization of the country's law enforcement agencies. Adding fuel to the media fire were rumors of Dutroux's involvement with a satanic network of pedophiles, allegedly including members of the country's elite."

The Memory of a Killer
Directed by: Erik Van Looy.
Produced by: Erwin Provoost & Hilde De Laere.
Written by: Carl Joos & Erik Van Looy, based on the novel The Alzheimer Case by Jef Geeraerts
Director of Photography: Danny Elsen.
Edited by: Philippe Ravoet.
Music by: Stephen Warbeck.
Released by: Sony Pictures Classics.
Language: Dutch & French with English subtitles.
Country of Origin: Belgium/Netherlands. 123 min. Rated: R.
With: Koen De Bouw, Werner De Smedt, Jan Decleir, Hilde De Baerdemaeker & Jo De Meyere.

9/01/2006 04:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Which is the greater violence, dropping cluster bombs on civilian populations, or Ofri's actions? One is fully sanctioned by the US armaments manufacturers and government, the other remains (rightly) taboo.

As Leonard Cohen sang, "I have seen the future, and it is murder."

"It's worth the cost," said Madeline Albright, when asked about the 500,000 civilian deaths in Iraq caused by U.S. sanctions.

"America’s main organization of Modern Orthodox rabbis is calling on the Israeli military to be LESS concerned with avoiding civilian casualties on the opposing side when carrying out future operations . . ."
(from Billmon)

Mission accomplished, and accomplished, and accomplished. Every day brings greater accomplishment.

What fresh hell is this?

Go ask Ms. Gosch. Or any of the bereaved around the globe, victims of the military-industrial cabal which gorges itself on blood money.

9/01/2006 05:25:00 PM  
Anonymous anywho said...

Thanks, Jeff. You're right on top of things, as usual, and with a razer-edged insight.

9/01/2006 05:41:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

No credit to me; it was a reader's email that alerted me to it.

9/01/2006 06:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

Howdy,

Right on Jeff!

There are those who have been working to expose this perfidy for years. We have "them" nailed cold. Multiple sourced. Every major magazine and publisher has turned it down.

We are just a small press. The story is bigger than us. Anyone with guts out there willing to help finance the expose that may bring these "bastards" down?

Oh and by the way. Rothstein has talked to the Des Moines Detective who's in charge of child abductions—after preliminary analysis the pictures don't appear to be doctored.

Peace,
Om

Kris Millegan
TrineDay.com
1.800.556.2012

9/01/2006 06:38:00 PM  
Anonymous prunes said...

This, for some reason, seems more bizarre to me than brain snakes. The timing of it, right after the Karr circus, I don't know.

Excepting the semi-incident where Johnny Gosch was speculated to be Jeff Gannon, have there been any other similar incidents involving the Gosch case since the initial happenings?

9/01/2006 06:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to agree with the first comment. This is the blackmailers pulling the strings to make sure they drop bombs on Iran/Syria. Notice the flies caught. Gosch leads to Bush. And we all know how Israel loves their human trafficking.

NOtice the convenient Manchurian Candidate/ BBC release of "Death of a President", a "fictional" account of a Syrian taking out Dubya?

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/09/death-of-president.html

9/01/2006 06:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff,

Strange. The following excerpt from your third to last paragraph only appears on the comments page and not the main posting page:

Are we mad, or wrong, for recognizing it? Some would say. As Duane "Dewey" Claridge, former head of the CIA's Counterterrorism Center, told ABC's Nightline regarding Gary Webb's Dark Alliance: "Don't give me that conspiracy bullshit! There's never been a conspiracy in this country." And that was just with respect to the agency's deniable hand in the global narcotics trade. Imagine the denials to the charge of covert child abduction and the peddling of underage flesh. Yet the pattern abides.

At any rate, I feel complled to tell a story (as briefly as possible) that only my parents know about. I feel like it is something that "almost" happened to me.

It was 1971 and I was in Kindergarten and every day after school my mother would meet me in front of the building to pick me up like clockwork until one day, my best friend in Kindergarten asked me to come over his house after school. I had never been there before. I said yes but told him I would have to tell my mother. He said to call her from his house. I thought that was okay. His parents picked us up in the back of the school where no one else was picked up by their parents. I left with some trepidation. Nothing unusual there but once I arrived at their home I asked to call my mother and his parents (both of them were home during the day) told me they would call her for me. Upon reflection, I realize that they did not have their phone number but at the time I didn't think about. I was only six. A couple hours later I still felt uneasy about being there so I asked if I could invite my brother over to play with us and they said yes and that they would call them. Sometime later my brother still had not arrived and after asking a few more times if my mother was called they kept telling me yes. Much later, my distraught mother shows up at the front door. Someone at the school had seen me climb into my friend's car and informed my mother. She had been frantically searching for me for hours with the school's help before receiving that tidbit of information. She got their address from the school. Of course she chewed me out for not calling her or asking to go first and I never have felt so awful about something I did since then. Now, upon reflection, I feel that my friend's parents never intended to call my parents or brother to let them know where I was. I can't help thinking that I may have been close to disappearing forever. Could those people have used their little boy as a lure to get me to their house?

Maybe I'm imagining things but they certainly never called and after that my friendship with the boy ended. I feel involuntarily anxious and fearful whenever I think about that day which is as little as possible. It makes my skin crawl and hair stand on end to write this. Maybe it was nothing but a misunderstanding.

Harker

9/01/2006 07:15:00 PM  
Blogger Vemrion said...

Creepy story, Harker! Glad you got out before it was too late. The behavior of the parents of your 'friend" is really suspicious.

As for this Gosch story, I immediately thought of this blog when I saw it. Damn, this is some weird shit. Who's sending photos? What's the point of it? To me, this sounds like the work of somebody who's trying to break open this case. I don't see what the elites would have to gain from opening old wounds and generating new publicity. Somebody (maybe Johnny himself) is trying to say "Hey! This case isn't closed!" We just need to go a little further down the rabbithole, as Jeff aluded to with his illustration.

Personally, I would not be surprised if little Johnny Gosch turned out to be Jeff Gannon/James Guckert. The "JG" initials is a dead giveaway, but their ages are off by (supposedly) 12 years or so. Of course, Guckert lied about his name, so it's not a stretch to think he would like about his age as well (but why lie that you're older?).

This whole case is a mindfuck. I don't know what to think. For those not squeamish, here's a link to the photo that Noreen Gosch received:

http://www.nbc5.com/image/9778099/detail.html

Found via Wikipedia, which has quite a bit of text connecting Gosch with Guckert:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Gosch

9/01/2006 08:04:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

I really doubt the Gosch/Guckert link. Somebody at Democratic Underground who lives near Guckert's home town went over there and dug out old high school yearbooks from the 70's with Guckert's photo and put a copy online. It was definitely him and definitely confirmed Guckert's age of 40-something.

I'm inclined to take the "JG" business more as one of those Fortean synchronicities, where certain names or numbers keep showing up in a way that seems almost designed to draw your attention to something.

On the other hand, I can't help wondering whether Internet interest in the case (and most notably from this blog) has gotten people like us sufficiently aware of it that whoever sent the photos felt it would be a useful way of pulling our chain. Effect of the observer on the phenomena observed and all that.

And that is a very sobering thought.

9/01/2006 08:42:00 PM  
Blogger son of gaia said...

Time to arrest Paul Bonacci and charge him with kidnapping & sexually assaulting Johnny Gosch.

He publicly confessed to both, you all understand that - right?

http://surrealitytimes.blogspot.com/

WHEN Johnny Gosch's remains are eventually recovered, he will have been no more than 13 at the time of his death. Count on it.

9/01/2006 08:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Vemrion...Concerning the link to the photo, not one of those kids is wearing sweatpants. Either that or I need new glasses.

To quote:
The old photos appear to show 12-year-old Johnny Gosch with his mouth gagged and his hands and feet tied. The boy is wearing the same sweatpants Johnny was wearing when he disappeared while delivering newspapers on the morning of Sept. 5, 1982, his mother said.

Go figure.

Fr.O'Blivion

9/01/2006 08:53:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

I'm inclined to take the "JG" business more as one of those Fortean synchronicities, where certain names or numbers keep showing up in a way that seems almost designed to draw your attention to something.

I'm inclined to agree.

9/01/2006 08:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I wonder if accusations of Pedophilia against High Profile Individuals correlates with the Media's intense coverage of the subject? My guess is that it is strongly correlated, and rightfully so, because as others have mentioned, the two are different arms of the same Octopus.

Either way, as Jeff mentioned, it's the pattern, i.e. the space between the objects, and not the objects themselves that is important in gaining clarity in this matter. An unhealthy preoccupation with a casualty of such a potential abomination is counter-productive, in the least. I don't suggest eschewing compassion and empathy for the victims, but rather, avoiding the trap of the Cult of Victimhood. The focus needs to remain on the illusive root, not the regnerative spores.

9/01/2006 09:04:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

I have to follow Anonymous 7:15's lead in quoting something from from Jeff's original post:

So maybe, at last, it doesn't sound so crazy to talk about the CIA's hand in the abduction of children for prostitution. Maybe it's just about staring down the facts.

Here's the thing: We've all talked loud and long about the wall of disbelief that protects the nefarious state within the state (the seemingly insurmountable dissonance from holding two thoroughly incompatible notions in mind: the sordid history of the CIA in everything from Paperclip on vs. the sheen of respectability that was lavished on the CIA at Gen. Hayden's non-stick confirmation hearing.) In looking for domestic scapegoats after 9/11, the cave dwellers in Pakistan having been picked for the lead role in the forthcoming retribution, much was made of "crossed signals" and the lack of inter-agency communication, the result of which was the "realization" that we could no longer afford to keep some srt of firewall between our international and domestic spooks: civil liberties be damned, we're at war! (And all that planned in advance bullshit.)

But what is the real consequence of stressing the need for "good intelligence" from our hardworking professionals in the intelligence community? It makes the already insurmountable wall of dissonance even more unassailable. Did any of those professional prostitutes in attendance upon Hayden's confirmation (even Feingold, the only senator who even bothers to pretend to any semblance of integrity) ask a single real? question? Was any reference made to anything we learned from the Church Commission, anything at all about the excesses of the spooks? To the contrary, the only questions asked were about how to further unfetter these dangerous loons who enjoy a complete lack of oversight from any elected representatives whatsoever! Instead of rehashing the misdeeds (murder, rape, illegal arms sales, etc, etc.) of the murdering superpatriots who were caught lying to congress about Iran/Contra, these same serial killers were elevated to national heroes.

Whose ghoulish, necrotic visage do we see standing behind the chimp (after ushering the bumbling war president into the oval office he seems to see for the first time every time he enters it) on every occasion of "national security"? Why, none other than the same John Negroponte who, as the unindicted war criminal and mastermind behind the wave of terror in the Reagen-era Central America, should be the poster child for spooks gone wild instead of the man behind the president. And this is the guy, as Czar of National Intelligence, who should be held responsible for the open secret of the CIA child molestation rings?

I'm sorry, Jeff: it does sound so absolutely fucking crazy to "talk about the CIA's hand in the abduction of children for prostitution" now, because of the honor and authority that have been vested in these vicious perverts. How could any of the herd, just coming out of their long sleep and still besotted by 60 years of rightwing propaganda possibly be expected to believe that the highest levels of government are infested by the most dangerous war criminals since the Nazis? The in-your-face-ness of their crimes and predilections is intentional. Most Americans still think George Washington couldn't tell a lie, for chrissakes! How can we expect them to really see these bastards for what they are?

9/01/2006 09:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Iridescent Cuttlefish:

I couldn't agree with you more, but please elaborate on how the Utopia of which you speak is possible considering your rightfully cynical comments in the last paragraph of your post?

Also, I don't necessarily believe Jeff believes that we can convince the unwashed Masses of this, but rather, he is merely the medium. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, Jeff, but I see your role in this mystery (of life) as a lubricant in the machinery that attempts to seek truth in a world immersed in subterfuge.

9/01/2006 09:15:00 PM  
Anonymous sw said...

Maybe they left her the photo because one of the other children in the photo sitting next to Johnny has come forward recently.

Maybe the little boy is actually a little girl that looks like a boy.

9/01/2006 09:16:00 PM  
Blogger son of gaia said...

Kris asks: "Anyone with guts out there willing to help finance the expose that may bring these "bastards" down?"

And I ask - is there anyone 'out there' with the guts to look at what is right in front of their faces, without trying to exploit the kidnapping, rape and murder of a child to advance some political agenda?

http://surrealitytimes.blogspot.com/2006/05/gosch-kidnapping-solved.html

9/01/2006 09:22:00 PM  
Anonymous my own worst critic said...

Same as it ever was.

Jeff,

A brief synopsis on the following quote of yours from Lost Girls.


“The Voice is a hoax, and likely the work of counterfeiter and revisionist historian Gregory Douglas. TBRNews endorses Holocaust denial, which this blog does not. Provide a link to it if you must, but I'm deleting the lengthy cut and paste as spam.”

TBRNews is probably tripe and drivle and thier content/agenda may be completely unfounded. (Have not visited site)

Your exposé’s on dark, controversial topics demonstrate your gift of critical thinking and the seeming neutrality exhibited in your quest for truth is quite refreshing.

Your above statement about not endorsing holocaust denial is very prudent. To “endorse” anything is counter productive in exploration of facts and establishes an agenda.

But the subject matter that you are so consumed with has a deeper root cause than the Capitalist/MIC , American CIA / Narco Cabal angle that receives the intellectual acclaim on this blog. (Not Patronizing, you know so much more than you can safely or are willing to purvey in this free speech zone)

It is quite evident that you and the majority of your readers have no problem rejecting the “Official Historical” version of the events on Sep 11, to think that this is an anomaly is quite foolish.

History of World War 2 is no exception.

Exploration and Critical thought is not endorsement, otherwise you are a Revisionist Historian and a 9/11 denier.

From wikipedia:
The term cabal derives from Kabbalah (which has numerous spelling variations), the mystical interpretation of the Hebrew scripture, and originally meant either an occult doctrine or a secret. It was introduced into English in the publication of Cabala a curious medley of letters and papers of the reigns of James and Charles I that appeared in 1654

“Freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end”
— Rabbi Isaac Wise (of B’nai B’rith, quoted in Israelite of America, Aug 3, 1866)

The Reich is dead man.

It’s the same as it ever was.

Oh and to stay on toppic if JG didnt wind up in a batch of bread for a moloch ritual he more than likely is the JG of GB.

9/01/2006 09:26:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

you know so much more than you can safely or are willing to purvey in this free speech zone

Not at all. I have access only to the same information everyone else does.

9/01/2006 09:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One possible message being sent that I'm receiving, as the mom of a 12-year-old-boy, is "keep looking into matters that don't concern you, and you will find you and yours involved with us and it will concern you." I flew yesterday and the pleasant-sounding female voice on the airport PA system calmly (and quite hypnotically)kept repeating "for your safety, regulations now require...this is for your safety." Maybe for me and for my child's safety I should stop questioning, stop seeing, stop hearing, stop speaking and stop thinking. Wouldn't life be so much easier...if I could?

9/01/2006 09:43:00 PM  
Anonymous my own worst critic said...

yes, all the information is readily available to all, it is filtering through the disinfo and the conectivity of truth that is the dilemma.

9/01/2006 10:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.johnnygosch.com/

Photos are extremely disturbing.

Let us pray the perpetrators are brought to justice, and this whole monstrosity exposed.

9/01/2006 10:45:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

my own worst critic -

I see no good reason for inventing either deeper or older conspiracies than necessary to explain observed facts. Anything else gets you into the political equivalent of string theory -- which, as impressive as it originally seemed, is now coming under increasing attack for being neither provable nor disprovable and for creating more confusion than clarity.

Specifically, although conspiracies may be as old as humankind, in the past they have been fairly local and small-scale -- the assassination of a king here, the overthrow of a regime there. It was only in the 20th century that the tools for widescale manipulation of events, resources, and individuals became available. And it's only in the last 50 years or so that the previously more-or-less transparent historical narrative seems to have flown up its own asshole and gotten lost in the crap.

For example, it was just after World War I that the Thyssens began setting up an elaborate system of money-laundering to protect them from another such disaster. The tools for doing so -- for shuffling money around with ease from continent to continent -- had not been available at any earlier point. Their system was further developed on behalf of the Nazis in the 30's, with the aid of Averell Harriman, Prescott Bush, and the Dulles brothers, and eventually formed the basis of similar networks created by the CIA in the 60's, the rogue CIA in the 70's, and now by anybody requiring massive amounts of cash to be moved invisibly from place to place.

The 1920's also brought the first widescale development of modern advertising, using the tools of behavioral psychology, which in the course of the 30's were turned towards increasingly sophisticated methods of propaganda and by the end of that decade had already given rise to most of the basic concepts of psy-ops.

The instantaneous information culture of radio and then television, combined with the ability of motion pictures to speak simultaneously to a global audience, created the possibility of conceiving and then manipulating the world's population as a single unit.

None of these things were possible to even imagine before the early 20th century -- or to fully carry out before mid-century. We are presently living in the increasingly bizarre reality-space created by these concepts and these techniques -- but to project it back into past centuries would be misguided at best and actively self-bamboozling at worst.

Trying to identify the hidden hands of the current moment with the scapegoats that certain conservatives of 200 years ago singled out as responsible for the to-them incomprehensible upheaval of the French Revolution seems like an even more wilfull misreading of the situation.

Lost in the mirror-maze as we are, it can be extraordinary difficult to stand outside it well enough to perceive our true situation. But that is what we are called upon to do -- and acting like a bunch of Boy Scouts sitting around the campfire and telling ghost stories neither advances that effort nor shields us from those who created our bamboozlement in the first place.

9/01/2006 10:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

There is another B&W picture of just Johnny, where he is wearing the sweat pants.

It is not mine to post, but if it is not available soon, I will post and link here.

According to sources, there are possibly around 60 pictures.

Like, I have said, we have this nailed. many times over, it has been refused by every major magazine and publisher. ABC television spent much time and milllions of dollars that was never aired. The Brtitish documentary on the Franklin Cover-up was not aired on the Discovery Channel. Peeple have tried to epose this but they have always been stopped.

I have been following this story for many years and have attempted several times to give the story to writers, all have come back to me and said they couldn't do it. They were afraid for their families, etc.

Now a courageous reporter has stepped forward, he has already spent four hard years researching and verifying but the mainstream and many people run the other way. They do not want to hear it.

What is happening is, even though these kids have been degraded, disused and horrificly damaged by these elite bastards, there is still some humanity. According to sources these kids stole these pictures from the perps and ... the "kids" are crying out for help.

The effects of "mind-contol techniques" do not only effect the "slave." The perps think they got it control.
Ya ever watch a Most Wanted or Cold Case type show, they show the guy with a girl under the bed, soon he takes her out in public, lets her visit her home. etc. They think that they have completly broken. but some humanity survives. Go to a mind-control survivor conference, forget the kooks and spooks and get down to the real deal. They are real people who have been through "hell."

Again, we need help bring this story out. It is only going to happen if we the people do it. I will donate all profits to a non-profit to help these kids, put the book on the web, whatever …

Please let us do it and stop this madness.

We must confront evil and help these kids.

Anyone?

Peace,
OM
Kris Millegan
www.trineday.com
1.800.556.2012

9/01/2006 11:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Several people, including Jeff, noted on the Gosch thread that they couldn't get into the website. I got in without problem, after finding the link on Wikipedia's article on JG.
The server is probably overloaded.

I wonder what "Son of Gaia's" agenda is?

The fact that Noreen's server is overloaded is, possibly, good news. But I bet the MSM won't touch this one. It's one thing to have tabloids speculating about John Ramsey, it's quite another to have America wondering about an elite cabal of pedophile satanists.

I've read a lot about the Franklin coverup, but ultimately it all seemed too bizarre, especially since I didn't know DeCamp personally, or Colby, for that matter. Elitist political machinations are one thing, part of the sad tapestry of history, but this was a rabbit hole I wasn't willing to go down. These photos (and, to be honest, I can't and don't want to look at them) makes it rather real. It's not a diversion; quite the opposite: it's a call to arms,a casus belli.

9/01/2006 11:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kris, can you be specific with a figure? What do you need to make this happen?

9/01/2006 11:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

son of gaia said...

Kris asks: "Anyone with guts out there willing to help finance the expose that may bring these "bastards" down?"

And I ask - is there anyone 'out there' with the guts to look at what is right in front of their faces, without trying to exploit the kidnapping, rape and murder of a child to advance some political agenda?,


What a load of BS and hypocrisy. all of us are political, either active or not.

Have you ever read the Bhagavad Gita?

Bonnacci was not the lead perp. That is well known. Why do you lie and make-up story at you "blog?"

Peace,
Kris Millegan

9/01/2006 11:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wikipedia is amazing. User "SydneyH" already has posed this update (Sept 1 2006) and a link to a CNN story:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/01/missing.boy.photos.ap/index.html.

Curious who SydneyH is.

9/01/2006 11:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A person named Chris Stangl is the main editor of the Johnny Gosch article on Wikipedia. He tells a lot about himself:

About myself
I am an illustrator, writer, and native Iowan, living in Los Angeles, California, in the historic, beautiful Los Feliz neighborhood. My first day perusing Wikipedia, I noticed that the article on Pikachu was twice as long as the entry on Eleanor Roosevelt. They are both good articles, but this indicates something is amiss.

My major personal interests are film, comics, literature, Winona Ryder, coffee, Disneyland, collecting monster toys, and cluster headaches.

Every day I review Jim Davis's Garfield comic: Garfield: Permanent Monday

I maintain a film analysis and criticism blog called The Exploding Kinetoscope

I realize this is not MySpace, but for Wikipedians largely involved with pop culture articles, this is not always irrelevant information.

Films: Dellamorte Dellamore, Eraserhead, The Parent Trap

Writers: Vladimir Nabokov, Flannery O'Connor, Ray Bradbury

Cartoonists: Daniel Clowes, B. Kliban, Jaime Hernandez

Books: Pale Fire, From Hell, Dreaming of Babylon, David Boring

Bands: They Might Be Giants, Morrissey, Tom Waits, The Pixies

TV Shows: Sailor Moon, The X-Files, Twin Peaks

Wikipedia focus
I mostly began editing out of irritation over copy editing and grammar issues. This has expanded into interest in NPOV and trying to prevent articles on popular culture subjects from becoming fan pages.

My interests and editing focus are cinema studies, particularly film history, analysis, fandom, and home video, American popular literature, especially detective and horror fiction, vintage video games, board games, fanfic articles, Disneyana, "alternative" comics, and the graphic arts.


Stephen King
I am currently involved in attempting to cleanup and organize all articles related to the fiction and films of Stephen King, and slowly reworking the biographical page. The articles on every book need major cleanups, the stories need expansion from stubs, and the films need to be separated from their literary sources. The main article would do well to follow the example of the models-of-form to be found in the H.P. Lovecraft and Robert A. Heinlein articles. I'm particularly interested in the Dark Tower books. My pet peeves on the topic are the spelling of the title It and the inclusion of Dark Tower-related details of interest only to hardcore fans bogging down summaries of other novels.

Johnny Gosch
My driving pet-article, fellow Iowan and missing person Johnny Gosch, is the first article to which I made major contributions. The article was originally lacking in any hard data, and it is now among the only useful information sources on Gosch on the internet. The article is still in sore need of further editors.

Archie Comics
Looming large on my to-do list is cleanup and creation of a uniform format for the group of articles on Archie Comics series, especially the core Archie titles and character biographies. Thus far, I am mostly doing copy cleanup, and built an infobox for characters.

His last edit was April 2006.

9/01/2006 11:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The person attempting to debunk the authenticity of the photos and CNN story posted from this IP address: 71.252.106.49

Whois lookup came up with nothing. Any sleuths want to see who/where it came from?

9/01/2006 11:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, should have indicated that the debunking was on Wikipedia.

9/01/2006 11:32:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

I find I have an additional comment to add here -- but I wanted to keep it separate from the previous one, since it involves a largely distinct, and far more complicated, line of thought.

I've found myself saying a number of things here lately that are strange enough that I myself am not quite sure what to make of them. But I'd like to try to draw them all together, even at the risk of being moderately incomprehensible.

A week or so ago, I picked up on someone else's comment that our games are starting to play us instead of us playing them and suggested that we may be heading into a condition where games become indinguishable from reality. Where movies and docu-dramas, film and computer graphics, everyday life and role-playing games merge in a condition where "real life" and imaginative play become all one thing -- and that this may be the real nature of the singularity awaiting in our near future.

Then a couple of days ago, I suggested that the three major monotheistic religions are all breaking down because they depend upon belief in a single historical narrative and a single standard of truth -- and that sort of belief is no logner sustainable in our increasingly multiplex and multicultural world.

I've been thinking about that since I said it, and it gradually came to me that the statement I was trying to make was not merely epistemological but ontological. That is, I was not talking simply about the expansion of human knowledge and our growing inability to channel all available information into a single internally-consistent narrative. Rather, I was suggesting that reality itself may not be singular, and that it may merely be a characteristic of the human mind to have difficulty in encompassing more than one story-line at once.

I then began wondering when this breakdown of mono-valent thought took place -- and the obvious answer was with the development of quantum physics c. 1926-28. Ever since then, we have had a dawning intimation that true reality is multi-valued and that it is merely a limitation of human consciousness to be able to perceive only the narrower aspect of reality that follows the collapse of the probability wave to a single value.

I bounced that one off my son, whose immediate response was, What about Lovecraft? Well, I said, Lovecraft never showed any particular awareness of quantum mechanics -- though it's true that his Cthulhu Mythos was emerging in exactly that same 1926-28 period. Yes! said my son, and that's also about what may dwell within the cracks in reality!

So I chewed on that one for a while and finally concluded that there had been a very distinct process -- bracketed at one end by Lovecraft in the late 20's and early 30's and at the other by Phil Dick from the 50's to the 70's -- during which all the old certainties about a single, stable reality had consecutively broken down.

I now find myself in this present thread writing about conspiracy theory in very similar terms -- as a passage from "natural" reality to manipulated reality, beginning in the 1920's and climaxing in the 60's and 70's.

So one way or another, I'm coming to suspect that some sort of major shift in the noosphere has already taken place -- but we're only just now starting to recognize it.

I also strongly suspect that the major pushback by conservatives, fundamentalists, and diehard traditionalists which began in the late 60's (nominally as a reaction against the counterculture) and has increasingly gained in strength since the 70's is no more than a last ditch effort to deny the actuality of what has already come to pass. And that this (and not sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll) is what the culture wars have really been about all along.

But it that's so, then the culture wars are already decided. Indeed, the fact that those people are as willing as anyone to employ the tools of propaganda and manipulation -- and that their vision of a recreated traditionalist society appears more like a Disneyland simulacrum of olden days than like anything real -- suggests that they too are unwitting agents of this great change and not its opponents.

That's the good news.

But if it's all virtual reality from here on in -- all games, all imagination, all mind-stuff -- then just who are we to be and how are we to live it?

I'm only sure about one thing at this point. That is that in a world where reality is whatever you say it is, morality becomes more essential than ever.

All the rest is up for grabs.

9/01/2006 11:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One possible message being sent that I'm receiving, as the mom of a 12-year-old-boy, is "keep looking into matters that don't concern you, and you will find you and yours involved with us and it will concern you."

Message received.

9/01/2006 11:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

Anonymous said...

Kris, can you be specific with a figure? What do you need to make this happen?


To be truly succesful (I have learned a few things in the last few years) we need to raise at least $50,000 if not $100,000 to truly do it right. I know that sounds like a lot, but it can be done. It doesn't have to be raised all at once. There has been already $40,000+ spent and there are several very promising leads that still need some coroboration, we are dealing with some very high profile perps and we need to be correct.
We have the basic story nailed and beyond, but it goes deeper and wider and many of the witnessess are scared and move around alot. Investigations are not cheap, and we still need about 3 to 6 months in the field at about $7-10K a month, then manuscript work, typesetting, then editing and fact-checking, then printing and promotion.

Like I have said, folks have tried before and they always get stopped. But if many of us come together to get it out then it can't be stopped.

It can be a public process with financial books and check register on the net, so anyone can see where the money is spent. I have nothing to hide and hopefully a republic to gain.

Peace,
Kris Millegan
TrineDay.com
800.556.2012

9/02/2006 12:00:00 AM  
Blogger Sherri said...

I'm sorry, but I looked at the photo and none of the boys are wearing sweat pants. Small detail, maybe, but still. All are in jeans.

9/02/2006 12:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

71.252.106.49

is from Washington, DC

pool-71-252-106-49.washdc.east.verizon.net

Xwhois query for 71.252.106.49...

Results returned from whois.arin.net:


OrgName: Verizon Internet Services Inc.
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City: Reston
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PostalCode: 20191
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# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.



Peace,
Kris Millegan

9/02/2006 12:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks, Kris.

Someone above posted a link to FreeRepublic. Hadn't looked at that site for years. was surprised to find a comments section that could have been culled from RI:

"Paul Bonacci, who was simultaneously a victim and a member of the nationwide pedophile crime syndicate, has subsequently identified Aquino as the man who ordered the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch. In his February 5 testimony, Bonacci referred to the mastermind of the Gosch abduction as "the Colonel."

A second witness who testified at the February 5 hearing, Rusty Nelson, was King's personal photographer. He later described to EIR another incident which linked King to Aquino, while the Army special forces officer was still on active reserve duty. Some time in the late 1980s, Nelson was with King at a posh hotel in downtown Minneapolis, when he personally saw King turn over a suitcase full of cash and bearer-bonds to "the Colonel," who he later positively identified as Aquino. According to Nelson, King told him that the suitcase of cash and bonds was earmarked for the Nicaraguan Contras, and that "the Colonel" was part of the covert Contra support apparatus, otherwise associated with Lt. Col. Oliver North, Vice President George Bush, and the "secret parallel government" that they ran from the White House.

Just who is Lt. Col. Michael Aquino (ret.), and what does the evidence revealed in a Nebraska court hearing say about the current state of affairs inside the U.S. military? Is the Aquino case some kind of weird aberration that slipped off the Pentagon radar screen? Not in the least.

To continue, go to www.double-cross.com/Aquino.html"

And this:

"The more I read on our situation, the more I'm beginning to believe we're contending with Nazis in their new form. Still Evil, still utilizing the same methods, still involved in human experiments, but now WE fund them. Quite a trick of "majik", huh?"

I thought they edited that stuff out, as per DU.

9/02/2006 12:20:00 AM  
Anonymous jon said...

sherri,

i think you have to go to www.johnnygosch.com to see the black & white photo (which came with the color one) of gosch in sweatpants, but you're right, the color photo of the three of them has him in what appear to be white jeans. to be fair to his mother, she posted this on her website:

"The first photo [in b&w] is of my son Johnny, shortly after he was kidnapped on Sept. 5th, 1982. He was still wearing the clothing he had on the day he was taken."

she never actually writes anything about his being in sweatpants, so i'm not sure if that was media distortion or something she told them but never posted on her site.

9/02/2006 12:23:00 AM  
Blogger Vemrion said...

starroute & jeff: You're probably right that it's just a weird similarity... but Noreen Gosch seems fairly convinced that Gannon is her son -- or at least that he's hiding something. He refuses to take a DNA test, but he plays games to keep her hopes up. It's a very weird dance between possible mother and child, after the child had been thoroughly reprogrammed. More info here in an interview with Noreen (scroll down a ways):

http://www.rense.com/general67/gannn.htm

Could it just be a mother's misplaced hope? It's entirely possible that Gannon was an earlier abductee who helped drug and break Gosch, like Bonacci. But Noreen cites a lot of Franklin Coverup kids who swear that Johnny is Gannon/Guckert. And now she's receiving death threats for talking about this case too much.

The cycle goes on and on.

9/02/2006 12:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Jon said;

"she never actually writes anything about his being in sweatpants, so i'm not sure if that was media distortion or something she told them but never posted on her site."

For what it's worth, my vote is for media distortion. I actually had one tiny experience being interviewed by the Pgh. Tribune Review. A 12 year old neighborhood boy was struck & killed by a car in front of my house. Naturally the reporter knocked on my door. We talked for a bit, I knew very little , but he quoted me a few times & not one quote was what I said. Similar, but not the same. & in one instance he altered what I said enough to change the meaning.
I'd trust Mrs. Gosch's website statement more than the news story. Straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

i will say one other thing...

I'm really sorry I looked at those photos.

My heart goes out to that poor woman.

9/02/2006 12:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Meanwhile, pragmatically speaking, no one else has mentioned that the package sent to Mrs. Gosch of the disturbing photos, (2) shown, were sent to her on her birthday! There's a message in that.

How was this package delivered? Through the mail, or left on her doorstep? Also, "Meanwhile, others connected to the case have reported receiving the photographs through anonymous deliveries and the Internet" according to the NBC.5 account. Who are these "others?"

Someone out there doesn't want this story to fade away and every so often stirs the pot to keep this unholy stew alive. Is this a nasty cat and mouse game that egomanical criminals often play? "You can't catch me because I'm the gingerman..." while sending "clues" to the police, or could it be part of the current campaign of fear of which we're daily treated? I don't know about you, but I'm becoming increasingly desensitized to a steady diet of fear mongering and find it actually helps think clearer. Fear of fear was always in the way of cold calculating thought.

Let us not lose our humanity as the beasts behind this evil deed have and let us have some compassion for the parents of the lost children, and particularly, Mrs. Gosch who has gone through a hell I can't conceive.

9/02/2006 12:52:00 AM  
Blogger son of gaia said...

Anonymous - my "agenda" is: I don't like to see anyone who confesses to kidnapping & raping a child get away with never being prosecuted because people are too dazzled by the BS conspiracy theory the perp spews.

Kris - there is speculation, but there are no lies on my blog. Are you claiming that Paul Bonacci did not confess to kidnapping and sexually assaulting Johnny Gosch? It makes no difference if he was "the lead perp" or not - he confessed his involvement and if he's sincere he should willingly pay the price. A true Christian would do that.

Funny thing, I've been able to access all the accusations, the videos, etc. and the people posting them online don't seem to be either dying off or being arrested or disappearing. I hereby volunteer to publish anything you want published. I'm not afraid.
In fact, here's my name and address:

Robin Gaison
Suite #118, 11215 Jasper Avenue Edmonton, AB Canada

Oooo! Oooo! I fear assassination - NOT!

9/02/2006 01:04:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

I'm sorry if the following veers a little off-topic, but Shrubageddon
asked out curiousity, and perhaps just a bit of puzzlement, considering the whopping contradiction between my political cynicism and my ridiculously high hopes for humanity, how I plan on getting from dystopia to utopia. I'll try to explain how I get from A to B in my universe as briefly as possible.

I don't believe that this world as we know it can be fixed through any of the conventional channels. The channels exist in order to siphon off the impetus of change into ever narrower backwaters until all momentum is lost, usually somewhere in committee.

I suppose the sea change I envision could be attempted through the mechanisms of what's left of the US constitution, but it wouldn't ultimately work for the following reasons. We would have to dismantle the national security state through massive and complete disclosure of all of its nefarious and twisted history, which (might) only work if a program of amnesty for the transgressors coupled with adequate whistle-blower protections could be enacted, otherwise there would be neither incentive nor security for the participants. These people carry tremendous, soul-scarring baggage and their owners still would not be enticed out of their dark dens. And why would they, the owners, participate? they've got the world they own to lose and nothing to gain but the grumbling appreciation of the swindled masses. I realize that disclosure and truth and reconciliation programs have accomplished much in South Africa and Chile, but these were client states, not the headquarters of the evil empire.

There's even less hope through the agency of violent overthrow. An attempted revolution would only give the deeply entrenched NSS sufficent pretext to finally throw off the gloves and practice their fascism in an open, full-blown police state. I know we're drifting there already, but this war on us through Orwellian smoke and mirrors, while frustrating and confusing, is still a good deal preferable to an open Fourth Reich that doesn't even bother pussy-footing around with "democracy" anymore. More importantly, even if the military were to back some sort of coup, it wouldn't really change anything without a concomittant change in the collective consciousness.

The reason all those bright-eyed operatives sold their souls to the Company in the first place was that they were convinced that the end justified the means, the most evil-enabling phrase since my god is bigger than your god. (For the greater good, fill in the blank. Manifest destiny. Capital punishment is a deterrent. We had to melt those Japanese cities to save American lives.) It's the lever, the fulcrum that overcomes morality. And it's a con, a blank check and the keys to your soul. The end can never justify the means because we become the means that we employ. You do good, you are good. And the other way around, unfortunately.

"My" solution is not (directly) political at all. Nor is it, despite my most frequent criticism, some sort of purely spiritual, New Age song and dance, although it does kind of have a cosmic ring to it. It is merely showing an alternative to the present madness. Take the aftermath of Katrina. We've all seen quite enough of how Uncle Sam prepares for and responds to hurricanes and flooding and all the societal consequences thereof. If you showed people a kind of housing that was impervious to storms and flooding, didn't need painting or siding or roofing, and also required very, very little energy to cool and heat, and which cost significantly less than conventional housing, what do you suppose the reaction would be?

Now go to another "problem area" and show the stunned observer the next, right-there-under-our-noses solution. And the next, and the next. The point is, there are bloody good solutions and they are right under our noses; it's just that we're constanly being told that the world is a complicated mess with intractable solutions...there will always be war, and poverty, and disease. Yeah, well, who exactly is telling us this dismal news? What a surprise--it's the fucking defense industry, wall street, and the medical "profession"! (And, of course, the whores who represent them while pretending to represent us.) How convenient. And how desperately shallow, obvious, and self-serving.

So what's my plan? My friends and I build a website and I write a book (I know, I know--Authorageddon, Bloggageddon, but there's always room for one more, right?) and we bloody well show bedraggled, beswindled humanity that there's a bloody obvious solution to every single insurmountable, intractable problem facing us and this simple act of seeing how good and right the answers are causes a shifting in the tectonics of our consciousness that will not be denied. The truly cosmic part of this is the momentum that builds when people "sign on," when they see what needs to be done. I don't plan on doing this whole thing by myself--there are days when I can barely walk--but I won't need to, either. I know I haven't gone into all the specifics here, but this isn't the website or the book, is it? I hope this explains my "contradictory" outlook, Shrubageddon.

9/02/2006 01:13:00 AM  
Blogger weeptes silu said...

To Starroute 11:40 post, I found the answer to your search in Joseph Cambell I studied a 6 or 7 part visit with Bill Moyers and Joseph Cambell its called The Power of Myth. It changed my life.You should see this, I think it would answer all your questions.And thanks for your posts. dalia

9/02/2006 01:38:00 AM  
Anonymous my own worst critic said...

Starroute,

Thank you for your response.

“I see no good reason for inventing either deeper or older conspiracies than necessary to explain observed facts.”

It is agreeable that to compound or complicate the observable, will make it more difficult for the misinformed (masses) to contemplate. Unfortunately, I have already lost hope for them.

“Inventing deeper or older conspiracies” you give me too much credit.

The further you go back in history the more crystal the clarity becomes.
To think that the social / political dynamics we observed today are offspring of the last 50 to 100 years of “rouge CIA” or “Thyssens” is convenient to the reality that warps yours. (Who are the Thyssens?)

I am interested in understanding how the CIA in 50 years infiltrated every government in the world, including the US, Infiltrated every source of information (media) without international protest, infiltrated every religious group and is selling out all humanity and for whom?

Besides, the intrigue of the previous 4000 years of recorded history doesn’t have any value. Thank you

Apparently as is observable in the world of RI it was all masterminded by the bush family starting with prescott. Wow. (And I used to like Arizona)

With this logic, solving the Worlds woes becomes so easy to solve. Don’t vote for Jedidiah.

And then I read this.

“Then a couple of days ago, I suggested that the three major monotheistic religions are all breaking down because they depend upon belief in a single historical narrative and a single standard of truth -- and that sort of belief is no logner sustainable in our increasingly multiplex and multicultural world.”

Ah, so in your understanding these myths of social control (Conspiracies) dating back thousands of years are breaking down. How contradictory.

This thought so eloquently introduced with:

“I wanted to keep it separate from the previous one, since it involves a largely distinct, and far more complicated, line of thought.

Starroute, I can not let go of my invented conspiracies based on your view points.

The breakdown of Monotheistic religions is not some innate social dynamic of multiculturism, but it has been the target of the root conspiracy from the beginning.

9/02/2006 01:40:00 AM  
Anonymous my own worst critic said...

Jebidiah, It is all ancient history anyways.

9/02/2006 01:49:00 AM  
Anonymous El Tedo said...

Son of Gaia--

How do you reconcile your theory that Bonacci abducted and killed him within a year, with the fact that Noreen Gosch said Johnny came to her house in 1997? Is she lying, or delusional?

Do you really think a bunch of 14 year old kids could abduct at least three kids at once and keep them around for years unnoticed by anyone? That stretches all credibility.

You should join the RI forum and make your case there.

~ El Tedo

9/02/2006 01:54:00 AM  
Blogger son of gaia said...

El Tedo - Paul Bonacci confessed to kidnapping & assaulting Gosch. IF his confession is not itself a lie, (and, the whole rest of the conspiracy theory depends on his confession being the truth), I suspect the murderer(s) to be the older boys who committed suicide. Bonacci was the youngest one, the others were all older so we're not talking about "a group of 14 year olds". I haven't suggested that any of the group's victims were kept alive for years - typically they are killed within 48 hours of the abduction.

But that is all speculation. The fact is that Bonacci confessed and if his confession and repentance are genuine, he should be willing to do the time.

I have no opinion about Noreen's claim, but since the whole conspiracy theory was made public record through the lawsuit against King there is no rational reason for "survivors" to stay in hiding.
Anyone can access all of the allegations, the videos, etc. There's no "secret" left to hide, (if there ever was one) and no reason for accusers to stay in hiding.

Look at all the material on this website! and not only is Jeff not dead, he's published a book - so it couldn't be that hard to track him down and eliminate him if he was "revealing dangerous secrets"...

9/02/2006 02:19:00 AM  
Blogger Mitch said...

son of gaia said...

"By the mid 1980's, a social phenomenon that would later be labelled "the Satanic Panic" was spreading like wildfire through some conservative religious communities, local law enforcement agencies, child welfare agencies as well as the fields of psychiatry and less formal branches of psycho-therapy. Fuelled by irresponsible mass media - notably Geraldo Rivera and other daytime talk shows, but also major print media/journalism - many otherwise rational people in the United States, Canada, Great Britian and other nations came to uncritically believe in and accept the alleged existence of vast networks of satanic cults devoted to kidnapping, sexually brutalizing and murdering children in our society. This paranoid reality tunnel required a parallel belief that most social institutions, including law enforcement agencies, schools, medicine and local, state and national governments had been infiltrated and corrupted by secretive members of the alleged satanic conspiracy."

"As the Satanic Panic wound down in the early 1990's, some of its ardent supporters continued to cling to the paranoid perspective it had provided rationalizations for. Unwilling to accept or admit that they had been duped (or, had deliberately duped others), they simply rationalized reality away with a new layer of conspiracy. Now they claimed, the satanic abuse had been only one component of a complex and systematic scheme for breaking down personality, so that victimized persons could be programmed to act as mindless sex-slaves, drug couriers, assassins, etc. in perpetual servitude to the real conspiracy cheiftains: the secretive forces behind the MK Ultra mind-control programs and the Project Monarch abuse programs. MPD, and its offshoot "Dissociative Disorder" were actually intentionally inflicted, through the staging of seemingly satanic ritualized abuse and a host of other personality disrupting processes that their own parents had allowed them to be subjected to, through secret agreements with the dastardly CIA-FBI population manipulation cabals."

son of gaia: STFU and go away.
Or stay and listen. But either way...

STFU.

9/02/2006 02:37:00 AM  
Anonymous El Tedo said...

"I haven't suggested that any of the group's victims were kept alive for years - typically they are killed within 48 hours of the abduction. "

Well the photographic evidence indicates the boys where kept alive for some time- enough for them to buy new clothes for their captives. AND going under the assumption that Mrs. Gosch is not a liar, Johnny was seen alive in 1997. So your assumption they were killed in 48 hrs is probably wrong. If they are dead wouldn't the bodies have been found by now?

I have no opinion about Noreen's claim, but since the whole conspiracy theory was made public record through the lawsuit against King there is no rational reason for "survivors" to stay in hiding.
Anyone can access all of the allegations, the videos, etc. There's no "secret" left to hide, (if there ever was one) and no reason for accusers to stay in hiding.


The accusations go public and there's no reason to stay in hiding? Really? Assuming their story is true, or at the very least they believe it to be true, just how does the story going public protect them from the danger they may face from the savage criminals who perpetrated this crime?

9/02/2006 02:40:00 AM  
Anonymous starroute said...

On the Guckert/Gosch question -- I just put up a post at the RI ezboard forum with links to the Democratic Underground threads in which someone dug out Guckert's high school year book photos. I also (in a second post) linked directly to side-by-side comparisons of the best of those pictures to recent Guckert photos.

In my mind, there's no question it's the same person.

Link

9/02/2006 02:44:00 AM  
Blogger Mitch said...

For good measure:
son of gaia said (essentially about us)...

"How can this possibly be? Essentially, large numbers of people actively choose to percieve and dwell within a reality far removed from that which the majority experience. They are proud of this fact - it defines them, to a large degree. Within the paradigm they have constructed, they are not the defenders of a confessed kidnapper and child abuser but rather an elite community of enlightened individuals fighting valiantly against the forces of mass deception and mass corruption. Seriously."

Same advice to son of gaia:
STFU.

9/02/2006 02:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think in order to get to the bottom of anything evil going on the place to look is at the top, at what the people at the top are doing. In this day and time the people at the very top are so hidden in obscurity and protected from exposure that looking at them and what they're up to is a very complicated venture. They own several think tank organizations that employ some of the most evil geniuses this world has ever produced, some of whom are in direct communication with the unseen forces of evil (the Satanic field, the principalities, fallen angels, or whatever you prefer to call them), who instruct them on how to use the art of confusion and distraction.

But the people at the top are human and make mistakes, and inadvertently reveal things about themselves, about what they believe, what their agendas are, etc., and lots of times the key to finding out the truth about them is hiding in plain sight. In order to get some idea about what they want all you have to do is look at whatever is in vogue, whatever the trends are, and from there you can figure out what they believe.

Regarding this subject of pedophilia and the child sex slave industry, there is a very enlightening article that is posted on Rense.com this morning titled 'America's Second Civil War' that reveals some about what the people at the top think, and it's hiding in plain sight. From what I have gleaned out of reading articles like this one and out of reading articles like this one Jeff Wells posted, it appears to me that the people at the top are leading a trend toward worldwide acceptance of the exploitation of children for sexual pleasure.

The people at the top are tied to a religion that has several names, some call it Luciferianism, some refer to it as Gaia worship, some regard it as pure Satanism; whatever it is, one of the beliefs held by it is that children are toys to be played with, and as is characteristic of people tied to any religion, they have a drivenness to promote their religion and it's beliefs, and this child sex thing is no exception. And as people in any religion do, they want everyone else to enjoy it with them.

The problem facing us now is that the people at the top have the resources available to them to promote their beliefs on a scale that is hard for the goyim to comprehend or to want to comprehend, and they're using their media democracy engine (TV and movies mostly) as tools to perfect their ploy. If you don't think so then why are they in the process of setting up TV viewing stations at newly built community centers in the middle of the jungles of Africa?

So here again true Christianity is the only source of power that has the potential to interrupt the current and numerous trends that are being foisted onto the world's people's via the media democracy engine. And I'm not talking about the televangelists' version of Christianity, nor am I talking about the system church on every corner in any city USA version of it. Jesus said those who seek will find.

9/02/2006 07:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think in order to get to the bottom of anything evil going on the place to look is at the top, at what the people at the top are doing. In this day and time the people at the very top are so hidden in obscurity and protected from exposure that looking at them and what they're up to is a very complicated venture. They own several think tank organizations that employ some of the most evil geniuses this world has ever produced, some of whom are in direct communication with the unseen forces of evil (the Satanic field, the principalities, fallen angels, or whatever you prefer to call them), who instruct them on how to use the art of confusion and distraction.

But the people at the top are human and make mistakes, and inadvertently reveal things about themselves, about what they believe, what their agendas are, etc., and lots of times the key to finding out the truth about them is hiding in plain sight. In order to get some idea about what they want all you have to do is look at whatever is in vogue, whatever the trends are, and from there you can figure out what they believe.

Regarding this subject of pedophilia and the child sex slave industry, there is a very enlightening article that is posted on Rense.com this morning titled 'America's Second Civil War' that reveals some about what the people at the top think, and it's hiding in plain sight. From what I have gleaned out of reading articles like this one and out of reading articles like this one Jeff Wells posted, it appears to me that the people at the top are leading a trend toward worldwide acceptance of the exploitation of children for sexual pleasure.

The people at the top are tied to a religion that has several names, some call it Luciferianism, some refer to it as Gaia worship, some regard it as pure Satanism; whatever it is, one of the beliefs held by it is that children are toys to be played with, and as is characteristic of people tied to any religion, they have a drivenness to promote their religion and it's beliefs, and this child sex thing is no exception. And as people in any religion do, they want everyone else to enjoy it with them.

The problem facing us now is that the people at the top have the resources available to them to promote their beliefs on a scale that is hard for the goyim to comprehend or to want to comprehend, and they're using their media democracy engine (TV and movies mostly) as tools to perfect their ploy. If you don't think so then why are they in the process of setting up TV viewing stations at newly built community centers in the middle of the jungles of Africa?

So here again true Christianity is the only source of power that has the potential to interrupt the current and numerous trends that are being foisted onto the world's people's via the media democracy engine. And I'm not talking about the televangelists' version of Christianity, nor am I talking about the system church on every corner in any city USA version of it. Jesus said those who seek will find.

9/02/2006 07:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

INNOMINATA Wrote:

Ah, comes the dawn.

Robin (Son of Gaia), don't you think it possible that if Larry King was helping run a CIA blackmail operation, using kidnapped kids, that any surviving kids, once too old to be of use, would have damn good reasons to be paranoid and remain in hiding? Isn't that the whole thrust of the Bonnaci-King nexus? Not to mention the Finders, Craig Spence, etc. You actually deny this?

And I still wonder what your agenda is. Mine is simple: I find this so sickening it motivates me to write about it. I'm abreacting my horror by doing so, I suppose.

But what is yours? Call me curious, but I always wonder why ordinary people are moved to don the armour of debunkers, whether it be of Pearl Harbor, or 911, global warming, Johnny Gosch, whatever. What is it, do you think, within your personality that makes you defend the status-quo?

Your quote is telling:

"...large numbers of people actively choose to percieve and dwell within a reality far removed from that which the majority experience. They are proud of this fact - it defines them, to a large degree. Within the paradigm they have constructed, they are not the defenders of a confessed kidnapper and child abuser but rather an elite community of enlightened individuals fighting valiantly against the forces of mass deception and mass corruption. Seriously."

Turn the mirror around, Robin. Not bothering with the fact that your analysis is derived from the Richard Hofstadter school (here he is, writing in 1964: "In fact, the idea of the paranoid style as a force in politics would have little contemporary relevance or historical value if it were applied only to men with profoundly disturbed minds. It is the use of paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes the phenomenon significant. Of course this term is pejorative, and it is meant to be; the paranoid style has a greater affinity for bad causes than good. But nothing really prevents a sound program or demand from being advocated in the paranoid style. Style has more to do with the way in which ideas are believed than with the truth or falsity of their content. I am interested here in getting at our political psychology through our political rhetoric. The paranoid style is an old and recurrent phenomenon in our public life which has been frequently linked with movements of suspicious discontent.")
More recent debunkers of "conspiracism" have used your language, Robin, almost verbatim. But ask yourself why YOU choose to inhabit a reality that denies that Larry King refused to defend himself against Bonacci's charges, and why YOU take the extra step of entering public debate specifically to discredit the idea that there is more to the Gosch case than Bonacci's involvement?

Why? When you say there are no more secrets, then give us, please, the full reason that 'Conspiracy of Silence' was quashed, the British filmmaking company paid off, and all copies destroyed? Tell us, please, who attended King's parties in D.C. that are a source of (it would seem from my reading) continued speculation. Explain the Craig Spence phenomenon. Everything's out in the open, right? So do tell.

Richard, you wrote:

"I am really sorry that I looked at those photos."

That is a moral, human reaction. I didn't look at them because I didn't want the mind-poisoning.

9/02/2006 08:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Bad as he is, the Devil may be abus'd,
Be falsely charg'd, and causelessly accus'd,
When Men, unwilling to be blam'd alone,
Shift off those Crimes on Him which are their Own." -- Defoe, 1726.

9/02/2006 09:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

INNOMINATA wrote:

Here's another gem from Richard Hofstadter's 1964 Harper's Magazine article:

"The situation becomes worse when the representatives of a particular social interest—perhaps because of the very unrealistic and unrealizable nature of its demands—are shut out of the political process. Having no access to political bargaining or the making of decisions, they find their original conception that the world of power is sinister and malicious fully confirmed. They see only the consequences of power—and this through distorting lenses—and have no chance to observe its actual machinery. A distinguished historian has said that one of the most valuable things about history is that it teaches us how things do not happen. It is precisely this kind of awareness that the paranoid fails to develop. He has a special resistance of his own, of course, to developing such awareness, but circumstances often deprive him of exposure to events that might enlighten him—and in any case he resists enlightenment.
We are all sufferers from history, but the paranoid is a double sufferer, since he is afflicted not only by the real world, with the rest of us, but by his fantasies as well."

Think about that in light of the Iraq debacle. Who was wielding a "distorting lens?" Whose "fantasy" was it that makes so many people suffer from that war, based on lies and more lies?

Hofstadter's polemic was intended to further marginalize those who, even back in the sixties, had problems with, mainly, the Kennedy assassination. It was kind of a psychological mopping-up operation, providing the Warren Commission defenders with pseudoscientific verbal cudgels with which to beat the opposition. Re-read in 2006, it is so transparent as to be laughable. Yet people like David Brooks still love this stuff. He thinks Kevin Phillips is a conspiracy theorist.

Read Hofstadter's quote from Senator Joseph McCarthy:

"How can we account for our present situation unless we believe that men high in this government are concerting to deliver us to disaster? This must be the product of a great conspiracy on a scale so immense as to dwarf any previous such venture in the history of man. A conspiracy of infamy so black that, which it is finally exposed, its principals shall be forever deserving of the maledictions of all honest men.…What can be made of this unbroken series of decisions and acts contributing to the strategy of defeat? They cannot be attributed to incompetence.…The laws of probability would dictate that part of…[the] decisions would serve the country’s interest."

"We create reality..." was the quote two years ago from the White House source. But look at the reality they have created, the "history" we currently suffer from. An endless Age of Terror, and to question it is to be, in Rumsfeld's words, equivalent to "appeasing Hitler." A conspiracy of infamy so black...that when we are confronted by it, we should just go away and watch American Idol.

To do otherwise, friends, is, paranoid.

9/02/2006 09:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This excerpt was taken from Encyclopedia Britannica, 1973 edition, Volume 15, entry "MOLOCH." Page 674:

"The diety to whom child sacrifice was offered was Yaweh, the chief; and for normative Hebrew religion, the only--god of the nation, honored in this connection as "the king." So repulsive was this abnormal practice, largely confined to the apostatizing reigns of Ahaz (II Kings xvi, 3) and Manasseh (II Kings xxi, 6), that the later Hebrews transformed the divine title associated with it into the artificial name Moloch, as though the sacrifices had indeed been offered to a foreign god."

9/02/2006 09:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had to laugh.

"It is precisely this kind of awareness that the paranoid fails to develop. He has a special resistance of his own, of course, to developing such awareness, but circumstances often deprive him of exposure to events that might enlighten him—and in any case he resists enlightenment."

"of course...in any case..." Can we get an amen from the bobble-heads? Not that the Warren Commission actively suppressed eye-witness testimony, not that physical evidence was removed and destroyed at the WTC site, not that an exhaustively document film like 'Conspiracy of Silence' was not only forbidden to be shown but actually destroyed, not that Cheney won't tell us who sat in on the energy meetings, not that Bush wouldn't allow notes to be taken during his one hour testimony before the 911 commission (with Cheney at his side), not that Sybil Edmonds is under a gag order, not that FAA recordings from 911 were actively destroyed, not that video of the Pentagon crash won't be released, but HOT DAMN! These pesky paranoid people just won't open their eyes and see the world around them!

9/02/2006 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous reacting realities said...

what if you perpetrated a heinous crime and scrambled just as deliberately to cover it up ... and were so successful that it seemed the itch of your intention in the first place began lacking a scratch? they say as I understand it that the corrupt corporate politicos in Alaska recently have gone beyond the cover-up and now insist on recognition of their crimes and the success of them by way of nuances like hats and t-shirts identifying them as a syndicated racketeering organization, or so it would seem as the authorities execute search warrants on several locations with those items listed.

9/02/2006 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Glad to see Donald Rumsfeld has joined us.

"Can we truly afford to believe that somehow, some way, vicious extremists can be appeased? Can folks really continue to think that free countries can negotiate a separate peace with terrorists?

Any kind of moral or intellectual confusion about who and what is right or wrong can weaken the ability of free societies to persevere."

My thoughts exactly.

9/02/2006 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous echoes in the abyss said...

apparently bizarre child abduction, abuse and murder isnt the only vile expression of evil for these devils. they intend to use Mrs. Gosch's pain fear sadness bewilderment and grief for the loss of her son and by extension our's and the nation's as a bonus victimization. a pan-sociopath or so it would seem.

9/02/2006 09:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

INNOMINATA said:

My prognostication about lack of mainstream play on this story is off so far, as per the head's up about Google news. Maybe the Senior Editors are all away at the Hamptons for the Labor Day weekend, and the juniors are just running what seems to be a compelling human-interest story. Still think it will be spiked come Tuesday. If the NYT touches it (doubtful) it will be only to debunk "conspiracy" notions.

Still--even Fox News is making reference to Noreens' book. Would be interesting to view the past 24 hours of Alexa on number of web searches for the book, JG.com, etc.
Anyone know how to get that data?

9/02/2006 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The NYT has headier stuff to write about:

"2 U.S. Reports Seek to Counter Conspiracy Theories About 9/11"

Online edition, Sept. 2

No senior editor would have opted for "seek."

9/02/2006 10:20:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Starroute,
What about drawing a slightly different conclusion from this strange phenomenon that you feel in your bones? What if, instead of the unreality of reality, that apparent meaninglessness of the demarcation between game and fact, there was something else happening that wasn't a function of our limited perception, but rather of our limited understanding of the malleability of reality. Think about your starting point for the age of unreality--the dawn of the quantum age. What if your supposed "limitation of human consciousness to be able to perceive only the narrower aspect of reality that follows the collapse of the probability wave to a single value" was a actually more an inability to see that the consciousness of the observer (helps) to collapse the waves themselves, that we just don't realize the extent to which we co-create reality? I'm sure you must have come across this notion somewhere in the past and either dismissed it as simply too far out or forgotten it among the jumble of cosmic irrelevancies floating in the ether these days, but there is a strong and renewed interest in this notion once again, among the folks who dabble in such things.

The frightening thing about the malleable universe theory isn't the plasticity of reality so much as the unconsciousness of its "gods". We could be unwittingly bringing all sorts of horrors into existence by simply giving our attention to the idea of those horrors. I'm not suggesting that we "made" Gosch/Guckert/Gannon real, or that we dreamed our current spate of problems like George Orr does in LeGuin's The Lathe of Heaven, but it does at least seem possible that we do effect reality with our still-blind consciousness in very fundamental ways which we're just beginning to explore.

When most people could be counted on to have similar, predictable, and, not coincidentally, controllable thoughtstreams, the reality that emerged, manifested, or congealed (whichever sounds least dangerous) was also more safely predictable and less filled with the familiar horrors of the modern human landscape. Once we get a handle on how exactly this all works, we could be on the cusp of an unimaginably golden age. If this idea is valid and we don't figure it out, we could be manipulated into creating even worse hells than the ones we've been living through.

Another, possibly even more startling notion that's also connected with the malleable universe model is that of retrocausation, which has been demonstrated in laboratory and clinical settings and seems to be related in some way to that funny non-locality that physicists haven't known quite what to do with since Bell's Theorem brought it out of their closet in 1964. It's also (apparently) possible to go back in time to change what we see now. There are, of course, practical limits to what can be rearranged, and I'm sure all those time-travel paradoxes are operative, but this is, I would think, even more dangerous than a planet full of adult-size children shaping the universe into some kind of American Idolworld--what if knowledgeable operatives extrapolate the conspiracies they're currently running backward so that these claims for secret societies controlling every fucking thing going back to the dawn of time became true, retroactively speaking?

I'd like to hope that if the universe really is malleable, then it's a sort of consensual process that can't be manipulated by handful of lone perverts (even if that's exactly what it looks like sometimes...)

9/02/2006 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

9/02/2006 11:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah right,

Trying to fight against this kind of evil power with a good blaster at your side is about taking a knife to a gunfight, the only way to successfully oppose Satanic power is with the power of the Holy Spirit. Calling it hokey is fine for those who never have to deal with spiritual evil.

9/02/2006 12:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone ever rebut the Michael Aquino linkage?

9/02/2006 01:19:00 PM  
Anonymous DaveinCali said...

"Why are they doing this?"

Perhaps "an" answer (as different from "the" answer) is to be found in the outcome, the "reaction" in a physics sense, in our response to this information... how did this make YOU feel, what (if anything) did it cause you to do, what or where is your next step...? And could that reaction be what "they" (perps? victims? other?) were looking for...? Then if so; who could THAT serve... and HOW ...?


Also, starroute @11:32 ... this resonates hugely for me, I just have to say "Bravo!";

"I'm only sure about one thing at this point. That is that in a world where reality is whatever you say it is, morality becomes more essential than ever.

All the rest is up for grabs."


Or as "Morpheus" said; "Everything begins with choice"

respects to all...


Dave

9/02/2006 03:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Hofstadter would say today that the paranoid people he described in the 1960's are now in power...

9/02/2006 03:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I found the following on Des Moines Register's online comments:

I was born and raised in Des Moines and left recently because of what I found. You people have NO idea what horific things are going on in your town. I have found out things I never wanted to know in my lifetime. I feel for Mrs. Gosch I too am going through her disbelief that human beings can be so sick. I would love to speak with Mrs. Gosch. I have so many things I could share with her and things I know. It is really a sad sad world we live in. Do I believe in all this Franklin sex ring stuff oh yes… it is real. I feel I have to watch over my back ever day because of what I know.. it is pretty scary… I moved away to feel safe… and finally I do… but pray every day the people doing these things will be caught. However it is very very big… it will take years to uncover and convict these sick individuals.

Sad and disgusted.
- knowtomuch
September 1st, 2006 at 11:49 pm

-
September 1st, 2006 at 11:17 pm

The media’s done nothing for the public on this case. The police department has had a theory on this since it happened but didn’t have enough evidence to state its theory publicly. The local media surely has knows this theory and yet continues to publish stories like this one, which focus attention in the wrong direction. You might notice how law enforcement is distancing itself from her. It is a tragic case, but it’s even more tragic that the media is greatly misleading the public on this. If you want to know the real story, stop a local des moines law enforcement official and ask him or her. I’m just an ordinary citizen and yet what I heard about this case from law enforcement wasn’t anything like what the media is reporting.

Now, what do we make of this?

9/02/2006 03:49:00 PM  
Anonymous mondo said...

I've been reading most of the posts, and I think many people investigating this get sidetracked. Cointel always gets involved in these types of cases, and this one has been around a looong time. Think about it. Cases like this have always accompanied victimized parents or journalists being harrassed with all kinds of exotic weaponry along with a team of FMSF. This is no "coincidence".

Before Mae Brussell died, she was onto Aquino big-time. After 15 years of being on the radio, through the end of 87 to the beginning of 88, Mae latched onto the other case(Presidio) that implicated Aquino to 60 children being abused in RA up in the Bay Area and fell deep down the rabbit hole of the ties between the mil and SRA. BY the end of the year, she was dead from a strange form of cancer in her sexual organs. This, despite the fact her mother, father, and grandmother, all lived into their 90's. Mae was 66 and lived a clean life.

What I'm saying, is that these cases are probably tied to the Pentagon. Israel wants war with Iran. Israel is infamous for blackmailing Congress and the Whitehouse with pedophilia/prostitution involvements.

Then you have all the players involved... Perle, Cheney, Bush, North, etc. have all been tied to this in the past. It could very well be hidden pressure by the hard right neocons. John Mark Karr, Johnny Gosch, Yosef Sagiv Ofri, and the Israeli prez for rape. It's perceived in Israel that the U.S. is weak on Iran right now.
"In Pro-Israel Circles, Doubts Grow Over US Policy"
And the Israeli press
continues to call Olmert a failure
on Lebanon. Which is insane, that wasn't a war, it was a massacre of civilians. They want their little boy's club, 911 mastermind, Netanyahu, in place. Remember, Netanyahu was in WTC during the attacks, is good friends with Silverstein, and was a block away from one of the London bombings and had prior knowledge as leaked by the Israel Brit Embassy.


These cases are intricate, and anything is possible, but I have a gut feeling and raising the possible scenario.

9/02/2006 03:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

That is a moral, human reaction. I didn't look at them because I didn't want the mind-poisoning.


I didn't look at them either........because that is exactly what is intended. Talk about Eating The Body Of Christ......how about allowing yourself to wallow in this exploited, filthy and perverted obssesion, unwittingly. Quit looking at the visual horror. By doing so, you lend strength to the exploitation of the act, and only encourage further acts, when you consider everyone's convergence on these photos, in the aggregate.

Come on folks.....is it fucking necessary to look at the gore? Don't you think they're laughing their asses off knowing people are gobbling this perverted mind candy up like heroin addicts craving their next big fix? Don't give "them" the satisfaction, and don't partake in this twisted exploitation. It's one thing to see patterns, but an entirely different thing to be mezmerized by the flame.

Richard, this was not directed at you, but rather, to the group, as a whole. I avoid clicking on the majority of links provided here because I no damn well that there are a number of spooks who frequent and post to this site. One day "they" may be coming for you and me and some others here, and I don't want to help them having this kind of shit slipped on my hard drive.

And, Iridescent Cuttlefish, thanks for clarifying the matter for me.

Sorry, I won't be giving any money to the Johnny Gosch Fund. I don't think that's the answer to this mess. Kris apparently has no idea with whom he's dealing. Can you be so naive as to think the Media will be your salvation in this.....that you can use it to crack this massive freakin nut.

I don't think so.

9/02/2006 04:30:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

IC -

I don't altogether rule out malleable reality -- but one thing at a time, and I'm trying to talk about something far simpler and less speculative. I mean, I'm not doing philosophy here so much as intellectual history.

The concept I'm trying to get a handle on is hard to label. "Chaos" is one name for it, though that word also has a lot of other connotations. "Uncertainty" might be another, though that has the unfortunate implication of wishy-washyness. That's why I tried to introduce the term "multivalency," though it's more than a bit clunky.

Whatever you choose to call it, since I first posted I've been tracing its original faint stirrings back beyond the 1920's. It's visible in Alice in Wonderland and earlier "nonsense" writings as far back as the late 1700's. Horace Walpole, who invented the Gothic novel, also wrote some of the earliest nonsense stories -- printing them up on his own personal printing press and distributing just a handful of copies to close friends, because he felt they were too strange for public consumption.

At about the same time as Walpole was writing stories in which, say, it was possible to be dead and alive at the same time, you also have Kant inventing the distinction between the phenomenal and the noumenal -- that is, the idea that the "real" world is beyond human ability to perceive directly, though science may give us some hints of it.

So, roughly speaking, we can date the start of this to the 1770's, when it formed one small aspect of the Romantic rebellion against 18th century rationalism.

However, the idea that there is a world beyond our knowledge -- not the spirit world of traditional religion and occultism but a deeper aspect of the world we actually inhabit -- remained the stuff of philosophy and children's stories for a century and a half. Even when quantum theory was first developed, its paradoxes seemed to be safely confined to the sub-atomic realm and not able to really affect us. It took a Lovecraft to imagine that the stuff of Out There might come roaring in on us and seek to take over our world -- and even he had to do it in terms of alien monsters.

It took a while for all that strangeness to be accepted as really real. It was only after 1940 that science fiction became preoccupied with stories of mind control, implanted or suppressed memories, virtual realities, and all that other stuff that cumulatively amounts to a statement that it impossible for us to know anything for certain.

And it was only the generation that grew up with television and was then hit with the Kennedy assassination that was faced with the challenge of actually living in a world where the certainty of knowledge can no longer be relied on.

Since then the rabbit's hole has merely gotten deeper. Not only has the Kennedy assassination never been made clear, but mystery after mystery has been added to it. The tools for counterfeiting reality have gotten more and more sophisticated and the means of separating real from counterfeit ever more inadequate.

On the other hand, anything you're forced to live with on a daily basis is no longer a remote, Kantian noumena. You get used to it and start learning how to cope. So all the strangeness and unknowability has now become the fabric of everyday life, only gone gonzo. And so far, at least, the most productive way of coping with it seems to involve giving up any hope of a single authoritative narrative that explains everything and being willing to accept competing or overlapping stories in a non-exclusive manner.

That's why I think the monotheistic religions are dying. But science as we've known it may be dying as well. String theory -- which grew out of the attempt to reconcile relativity and quantum theory -- is now increasingly being acknowledged to have been a flat failure. We may have to make do with partial, ad hoc explanations that work where they work and for as long as they work and graciously step aside where they don't.

Not that that hasn't always been true, to an extent -- but only on a scale of generations. Not for a single individual living their day-to-day life. But that's what we're going to have to get used to.

9/02/2006 04:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All you little birds better lock up tight
'Coz there's a foul owl on the prowl tonight.
Hey, little lark, get out of the dark.
Foul owl on the prowl.

Cute little jay, stay out of his way.
Fowl owl on the prowl.
You just might be the quail that he'll tail.
Foul owl on the prowl...

If you hear him hoot, scoot.
If you pass his tree, flee.
If you catch his eye, fly.
Don't wait to say 'goodbye'.

He's got a yen for a purty little hen.
Fowl owl on the prowl.
He's hungry for a chick, so get home quick.
Foul owl on the prowl.
Fowl owl on the prowl...

9/02/2006 04:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As Duane "Dewey" Claridge, former head of the CIA's Counterterrorism Center, told ABC's Nightline regarding Gary Webb's Dark Alliance: "Don't give me that conspiracy bullshit! There's never been a conspiracy in this country." And that was just with respect to the agency's deniable hand in the global narcotics trade.

Investigative journalist Robert Parry credits Pulitzer Prize winner Webb for being largely responsible for instigating government investigations which revealed much of how the Reagan-Bush administration had conducted the contra war. Transcripts of these hearings are available at The Memory Hole presently.
Here's a clip:


Senator Kerry. How many times did you meet with these leaders to discuss your help?
Mr. Morales. Many times, Senator. Many times.
...
Senator Kerry. Now you agreed to give the Contras a plane?
Mr. Morales. I agreed to give the Contras quite a few planes.
Senator Kerry. How many planes did you give them?
Mr. Morales. The first time I agreed to give them a DC-4, a DC-3, a helicopter, a Piper Navajo.
Senator Kerry. You just gave them? You gave them away?
Mr. Morales. Yes, I did.
Senator Kerry. What was in it for you? Why did you give away these planes?
Mr. Morales. Well, Senator, like I told you before, I was arrested long before that time, and I was facing one of the most critical charges because of my indictment. So, they promised me that they would take care of the legal activities, the legal activities that I was charged for.
Senator Kerry. Who promised you that?
Mr. Morales. Cesar and Popo.
Senator Kerry. He said he could take care of your legal problems?
Mr. Morales. Yes, yes.
...
Senator Kerry. How?
Mr. Morales. Many times I talked to him and he told me that he had plenty of friends, being him, the CIA, can advise the superiors about my financial support and airplane and training, and, therefore, they will finally, eventually will take care of my problem, which they did. To an extent, they did. As a matter of fact, they did.
Senator Kerry. Was the plane that you gave the Contras used by them?
Mr. Morales. Yes, it was.
...
Senator Kerry. At this point in time, did you make some agreement about running guns down to various locations and bringing drugs back?
Mr. Morales. Yes, I did. That was part of the agreement.
Senator Kerry. When you say "that was part", can you be more specific? Precisely how did that discussion some about?
Mr. Morales. I was supposed to give him financial support, also buying guns for them, supplies, safety houses for them, in south Florida, buying equipment, different type of equipment, boats, engines, boots, uniforms, whatever it was they need for them to have.

Senator Kerry. How were you supposed to buy this? Did they give you money?
Mr. Morales. No. I was the one who was going to buy, from my own money.
Senator Kerry. Where was the money coming from?
Mr. Morales. Drugs.
Senator Kerry. Did they know that?
Mr. Morales. Of course they know that.

Senator Kerry. Why do you say "of course they know that"? How do you know they know that?
Mr. Morales. Because we discussed, as a matter of fact, we discussed to bring drugs that did not belong to me. They were their own drugs.
Senator Kerry. Whose drugs?
Mr. Morales. The Contras drugs.
Senator Kerry. How do you know they were Contra drugs?
Mr. Morales. They told me.
Senator Kerry. What?
Mr. Morales. They told me. As a matter of fact -
Senator Kerry. What did they tell you? Did they say here's drugs, these are Contra drugs?
Mr. Morales. No, no, no. They say, there was a few trips that I was supposed to do for them in drugs. I did not ever ask him where the drugs come from other than that they were the drugs.
...
Senator Kerry. Now, in 1984, did you personally load weapons into an airplane in Fort Lauderdale?
Mr. Morales. Yes, I did.
Senator Kerry. Did you see those weapons?
Mr. Morales. I bought them.
Senator Kerry. Where did you buy them?
Mr. Morales. I bought them, some of them I bought them in the gun shop in south Miami.

Senator Kerry. What kind of weapons were they?
Mr. Morales. Machineguns, automatic rifles, high powered rifles, pistols, explosives.
Senator Kerry. Were these fully automatic machineguns?
Mr. Morales. Oh. Yes. They were.

Senator Kerry. Did you buy fully automatic machineguns on the open market in Florida?
Mr. Morales. I did.
Senator Kerry. In what quantity did you buy them?
Mr. Morales. We sent many planes full of weapons down there. I really don't recall specifically the amount of items, but it was very considerable.

Senator Kerry. Did you load these weapons onto the airplane in daytime or nighttime?
Mr. Morales. I did load them in the daytime, 12 noon in the daytime.
Senator Kerry. Right in the full view of people?
Mr. Morales. Yes. Many times.
Senator Kerry. And were you at the airport when the planes came back?
Mr. Morales. Yes, I was.

Senator Kerry. What did you unload from those planes when they came back?
Mr. Morales. I was in the beginning of the runway. The plane lands and unloads the drugs into the end of the runway.
Senator Kerry. How did you know they were drugs?
Mr. Morales. I saw them.
Senator Kerry. What did you do with those drugs?
Mr. Morales. Sell them.
Senator Kerry. What did you do with the money?
Mr. Morales. Give it to the Contras... Let me make myself clear, Senator.
Senator Kerry. Please.
Mr. Morales. I gave them back to the same people because the Contras means a lot to a lot of people. I gave them back to Mr. Octaviano Cesar, who works for, used to work for the CIA, and Mr. Popo Chammoro, and Marcos Aguado.

-snip-

http://www.thememoryhole.org/kerry/kerry1-41-60.htm

CIA Inspector General Frederick Hitz admitted that the CIA had maintained relationships with companies and individuals the CIA knew were involved in the drug business.

On January 29, 1998, Hitz published the first of two CIA reports that eventually substantiated many of Webb's claims about cocaine smugglers, the Nicaraguan contra movement, and their ability to freely operate without the threat of law enforcement.

9/02/2006 05:24:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

starroute,
While I appreciate that you're not so much after the philosophy of this phenomenon as its history, it is absolutely unavoidable. For example, when you stop tracing the idea of a noumenal world floating just beyond our ken at Kant, you leave out Kant's "source," or at least inspiration, which was Plato. Plato's dichotomy of real and ideal is really nor much different from Kant's adaptation, and look how much further back it stretches the notion. And before Plato it gets very sketchy, of course, but the Hermetics entertained very similar notions and even left some some clues that they were in turn influenced by gods know whom...

Coming "forward" in time, I'm sure you haven't overlooked David Bohm's explicate/implicate order, which Einstein sniffed and sort of ran away from because it reminded him too much of his own problems with entanglement. And it's but a hop, skip and lunge from Bohm to Sheldrake...and here we are back in the spongy here and now. Don't get me wrong--I very much like what you're doing with this. It's just that I can't help but think you'll end up, probably sooner than later, staring at what the implications are for us, rather than the weird history of this idea. And also that you'll come to the position that the implied dualism is a flaw that needs to be reconciled. Please keep us posted on your further findings.

9/02/2006 06:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Behind them is a cult of evil which seeks to harm
the innocent and thrives on human suffering. Theirs is the worst kind of cruelty, the cruelty that is fed, not
weakened, by tears. Theirs is the worst kind of violence, pure malice, while daring to claim the authority of
God. We cannot fully understand the designs and power of evil. It is enough to know that evil, like goodness,
exists.

9/02/2006 06:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For the people interested in the relation between consciousness and reality, and the other related topics mentioned lately, I can't recommend Owen Barfield enough. He has gone into these areas very deeply and plumbed the consequences of giving up dualism.

9/02/2006 06:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The A.P.- keepin' it in your face. dredging it all back up...

let's see now, how does it go? Thousands of missing children, the foggy line between homosexuals and pedophiles, queer Johnny Gosch, White House call boys taking midnight tours without signing the Secret Service log book, queer G.O.P chair Melman, queer Bush Jr. rubbing queer Ray Nagin's bald heads, Daddy Bush and the black boys provided by black Larry King, and all those children Daddy Bush adopted that we never hear about, Hunter Thompson writing in his "owl compound"- insinuating kiddie sex-snuff films at Bohemian grove in the shadow of the foul Mooloch Owl...

It's like running in place in a bad reoccurring dream.
And that's probably the whole idea...

9/02/2006 07:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

Shrubageddon said...

Sorry, I won't be giving any money to the Johnny Gosch Fund. I don't think that's the answer to this mess. Kris apparently has no idea with whom he's dealing. Can you be so naive as to think the Media will be your salvation in this.....that you can use it to crack this massive freakin nut.


No, I no exactly who I am dealing with. And I never said a thing about the Media, why are you using strawman rhetoric to make your point?

No, but we can use the Internet and books and videos and bring these perps down.

Or you can sit in your chair and bullshit your self and others.

Peace,
Kris Millegan

9/02/2006 07:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I saw a Rerun today....but it wasn't Law & Order. I swear, Hugh Manatee has corrupted me. I wouldn't have entertained the following notion, if it hadn't been for him. Maybe, sometimes, it's better not to know.

Anyhow, the movie I saw this morning whilst drinking my cofee was The Family Jewels starring Jerry Lewis. I loved Jerry Lewis as a child....but as I grow older, I tend to find him a tad annoying.

Interesting movie, though, when you view it through Hugh's psyop tainted glasses. For starters, the title is a double entendre. I have heard men refer to their dick and balls as The Family Jewels before.....surely the writers and/or producers had heard the same....yet they kept the title. Why?

The story is about child abduction, albeit, the genre is comedy. I only caught the last third of the movie, however, the part I caught included just the one little girl being pursued by men, for one reason or another. There were no women in the part I saw...it was all men making over this little girl.

After she escapes from her kidnapper....who happens to be her Uncle...one of them, at least...she is ordered by the Administrator of her deceased father's trust to choose one of her 7 Uncle's as her surrogate parent. She chooses, instead, the Estate's Chauffer because that is who she had spent most of her time with since she can remember. The Administrator refuses to allow it because it contradicts the deceased father's Will & Testament. The Chauffer slips out of the room, and suddenly an Alleged missing Uncle shows up, who happens to be an unreliable Clown, literally, and claims the girl in accordance with the instructions of the Will. But, the Clown Uncle is the Chauffer in disguise, who for all intents and purposes, clandestinely kidnaps the girl again, with her approval, in a freakin Clown Costume. It was 1965.

Here's a link to IMDB about the movie:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059166/


Like I said, before visiting this site, and the forum, and reading Hugh's analysis, I would have thought the movie benign.

Now, I'm not so sure.

9/02/2006 08:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

No, but we can use the Internet and books and videos and bring these perps down.

No, but you can use the Internet and books and videos to feed the Nasty Beast. At least part of this child abduction pandemic is syndicated at the highest levels. If that's the case, they're untouchable. Even if you do get the word out, it's only because they don't care. You're nothing to them. I am nothing to them. To them, our inquiries are quite useless and silly.

The result of the hype will be useless, unwitting thrill seeking and schizophrenic exploitation of an already heinous pattern. As a previous poster said, the tears only feed these sick fucks....and so does the voyeurism. They want you to look at the pictures too, for many reasons, none the least of which is pure, sadistic, evil humor.

9/02/2006 08:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

Shrubageddon said...

No, but we can use the Internet and books and videos and bring these perps down.

No, but you can use the Internet and books and videos to feed the Nasty Beast. At least part of this child abduction pandemic is syndicated at the highest levels. If that's the case, they're untouchable. Even if you do get the word out, it's only because they don't care. You're nothing to them. I am nothing to them. To them, our inquiries are quite useless and silly.

The result of the hype will be useless, unwitting thrill seeking and schizophrenic exploitation of an already heinous pattern. As a previous poster said, the tears only feed these sick fucks....and so does the voyeurism. They want you to look at the pictures too, for many reasons, none the least of which is pure, sadistic, evil humor.


Complete sophistry.

"They" are very vunerable, probably the most vulnerable that they have been for years and it is just going to get worse. These folks are criminals and neded to go to jail. We can do it and it needs to be done.

You confront evil, not play word games, while the perps play their sick games with real live human beings.

Who are you Shrubageddon? What do you suggest we do?

Peace,
K

9/02/2006 09:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Starroute:

You may be interested in Charles Coulombe's lecture
"Hermetic Imagination: The effect of the Golden Dawn on Fantasy Literature."

http://www.cheetah.net/~ccoulomb/hermeticimagination.html

9/02/2006 09:24:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

IC -

There's a big difference between Plato and Kant, which is that Plato was a Realist (by the definition of Realism that came two or three back.) That is, he and his followers thought that the ideas people had in their heads corresponded to the Ideas that formed higher reality.

That notion got exploded in the late Middle Ages by the Nominalists, who argued that higher reality was unknowable and had nothing to do with people's mental categories. That was an idea the Catholic Church was pushing in order to counter those who thought that thanks to the revival of Greek philosophy, they no longer needed religion -- but it also helped set the stage for early modern skepticism.

In the 17th and 18th centuries, extreme skepticism pretty much discouraged people from inquiring into higher reality at all. But by the late 1700's, they were getting tired of rationalism and looking for new ways to assert the existence of something beyond sensory reality.

So what Kant was doing was kind of a synthesis -- saying like Plato that there was a higher reality that was, essentially, philosophical in nature and not religious, but also saying we couldn't describe or even begin to understand that higher reality according to the familiar categories we found in our minds.

The point that seems most important to me is that Kant both came out of and fed into a growing loss of belief in the reliability and sufficiency of human knowledge. That loss of belief first produced skepticism and then produced a sense of the strange that is still with us today.

You don't find that sense of strangeness *anywhere* before Kant's time. Plato's allegory of the cave may suggest there are things we don't know, but Plato doesn't ever question the solidity of ordinary knowledge.

Frankly, at this point scientific theories don't convince me all that much as a source of philosophical insights. I've come to believe that what's primary is the headspaces people find themselves living in -- and the science and philosophy and religion and everything else come along later to explain and codify those headspaces.

The altered headspace of the late 18th century -- in part the product of increased contact among wildly divergent cultures, in part the result of strange new discoveries of invisible gases like oxygen and invisible forces like electricity -- was what begot Kant and all of us since.

It's that headspace -- only now far more intense and far more pervasive -- and how we adapt to living it it that interests me the most.

9/02/2006 10:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

I see Shrub's point, but I also see Mr. Milligan's point.

There have been endless books, news articles & whatnot, written about heinous occurrences to our democracy, to our children, to our fucking planet, yet I don't see too many people being brought down. There's always an Executive in Charge of Falling on the Sword who willing slips the noose around his own neck...an ultimate team player so to speak.
Just look at that Senate Hearing quoted above...a barrel full of fucking laws were broken yet Anti-Saint Ronnie got a hero's burial. Or has anyone forgotten that bullshit festival of awhile back.
I saw some round table on ABC with George Will & few other people & they were seriously discussing how Reagan surprised everyone with his performance in the 1st Carter/Reagan debate. If y'all are old enough, you remember that little travesty...it was called Debategate, I think. Reagan's team heisted Carter's debate strategy then they coached the old kook on how to win. & who admitted he coached Reagan? Why none other than ol' George Will himself who's sitting on the panel acting as if butter would melt in his mouth...acting as if the whole debate wasn't a fixed charade from the get-go. Acting as if we were too damn stupid to put that halfwit little equation together.

Knowing this, I still have to agree with Mr. Milligan...you have to keep swinging.

Pure emotionalism, I know, but I can't help it.

Sorry Shrub.

But I do have to ask Mr. Milligan this:

If you published it, what makes you think that people would read it?

What makes you think that those manufactured pundits on tv with their carefully contructed "Trust me" facades wouldn't carry way more weight with their manufactured bullshit than you would with all of your facts & figures?

Quick off-topic... I just finished Bob Dylan's Chronicles & he says something near the end that's been ping-ponging in my head since I read it, so I'm giving it to you all so I can get some sleep.

"I wasn't comfortable with all the psycho polemic babble. it wasn't my particular feast of food. Even the current news made me nervous. I liked the old news better. All the new news was bad. It was good that it didn't have to be in your face all day. Twenty-four-hour news coverage would have been a living hell."
Bob Dylan

9/02/2006 10:41:00 PM  
Blogger Bigfoot said...

Jeff, thanks for the post--this topic touches a nerve. I DID look at the picture. I both regeret doing so-it kills one's spirit to a degree; to know that kids are subject to that is different than seeing the real thing-BUT also, I don't want to wear blinders on this topic; what the picture shows, gives a fuller understanding of what's involved.

Your blog/work is, as others so often say, the basis for a lot of people getting that fuller understanding. But it must be a lot of work to do what you do, so again, thanks.

Irr. Cttlfish--in one of your earlier comments about this post: good stuff as far as giving a context/big picture take on who or what is the 'dark side' behind all of this. That big picture is what I'm thinking about...

Starroute, same for your earlier thoughts. Having turned away from religion as I knew it growing up, I also don't buy the paranormal speculations/beliefs that are sometimes part of the talk here, but I DO buy into the shifting/expanding (collective) consciousness you seemed to be outlining.

[Also, that you had a conversation with your son about this kind of threw me for a (short) loop: my kids are a bit younger and I've held back from them my sense of how dark and 'evil' things just may be, but I sensed in the little bit the interaction that you presented, that it's possible to talk about such things, without instiling fear and killing hope. Still, seems like something to do thoughtfully, carefully.]

Now my thought about/inspired by the questions of how RA fits into the 'big picutre' etc--

Seems like blackmail is a central tool for the intel/mafia/PTB folks. BUT--over the past few decades, being gay is no longer as much a cuase for shame (thank goodness!). Ditto for drug use (if you go into a treatment program, etc.).

So if you want to blackmail someone, what can you use? Child porn, of course. OR--the threat of abducting someone's kid, with the implication that the kid will be subjected to sexual abuse. Either way, getting child porn into the main stream serves this dark purpose: it snares blackmail victims, or puts a scare into those with kids.

BUT--the flip side of having such 'content' and news stories become widespread is: as more people know about human trafficking/child abductions,
more people are drawn into trying to stop it. It seems like there are more stories about this--either in terms of blond teens disappearing in the Caribbean, or America's Most Wanted, or the girl Natalie (?) in Austria, or how women are tricked into working in brothels in Eastern Europe or the Marshall Islands. Granted many of those stories are told in a lessthan helpful tone, but I see in them a basis for getting just about anyone/everyone to at least look at the issue of how children are exploited in a conspiracy-based system, with sexual abuse as its focus and kids as the raw material. That's a start, at least for getting this out of the realm of 'paranoid' conspiracy theory dismissal fodder.



(p.s. I'm reading about Diane WIlson, the woman who opposed giant chemical companies on the Texas Gulf Coast and 'won'. There are ways to win, even though outnumbered and outgunnned.)

9/02/2006 10:47:00 PM  
Anonymous hips don't lie said...

Jeff - your thoughts on this please:

If the photos aren't doctored than why is the brand on Johnny's upper arm? For 25 years Noreen Gosch has been told it was on his hip.

9/02/2006 10:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OH IF ONLY THE MUSHROOMS WOULD DIE!!!

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=%22mushroom+cloud%22+katie

South America is upside down on a strong arm!!!

I have a feeling that when someone has the guts to "bring down the bastards" it won't have anything to do with "trying to exploit the kidnapping, rape and murder of a child to advance some political agenda" It will be the sappiest love sick story that any 16 year old has ever written in her diary.

9/02/2006 11:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

or 7th graders with attitude:

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The shirt bore images of cocaine and a martini glass — in addition to messages calling
President Bush a lying drunk driver who abused cocaine and marijuana, and the "chicken-hawk-in-chief" who was engaged in a "world domination tour."

Zachary Guiles, then a seventh-grader, wore the shirt once a week for two months in early 2004 and refused to cover the images after a parent and student complained. He was suspended for one day that May, and the next day wore the shirt with duct tape covering the images.

9/02/2006 11:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sw, I hope you are still checking in on this board.

I would really appreciate it if you could say what happened to the girl after this picture on was taken? What is she doing now?

per: sw said...
Maybe they left her the photo because one of the other children in the photo sitting next to Johnny has come forward recently.
Maybe the little boy is actually a little girl that looks like a boy.
9:16 PM

9/02/2006 11:21:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

Shrub -

The phrase "the family jewels" comes up in a few other striking contexts. For example, this:

In December 1974, during the Ford presidency, a four-column headline-grabbing story by Seymour Hersh appeared in the New York Times. The headline was as follows: "Huge CIA Operation Reported In U.S. Against Antiwar Forces, Other Dissidents In Nixon Years." Hersh laid out a "massive, illegal domestic intelligence operation" by the CIA, which by its charter was restricted to foreign intelligence gathering.

Dick Cheney was well aware of the story. At the time, he was deputy chief of staff under Donald Rumsfeld at Gerald Ford's White House (and traveling with the president during the holiday). Cheney can't have forgotten the lessons that were garnered from President Ford's response, given his role in crafting it.

The story broke after Sy Hersh picked up a few trinkets from the CIA's later infamous "family jewels." In 1973, as Watergate was falling apart, CIA Director James Schlesinger had sent a memorandum throughout the agency requesting information about past "questionable activities." The responses were summarized in a seven-hundred page document that became known as the CIA's family jewels. More accurately, it was a time bomb.

President Ford's initial response to the Hersh story was to do nothing. But in Washington, Ford's CIA Director, William Colby, later wrote, Hersh's story "triggered a firestorm." Colby told Ford it was likely to get worse, for amongst the "jewels" were detailed reports of the assassination plots against foreign leaders (Castro in Cuba, Lumumba in the Congo and Trujillo in the Dominican Republic).


And also this:

August 6, 2001: President Bush receives classified intelligence briefings at his Crawford, Texas ranch indicating that bin Laden might be planning to hijack commercial airliners. The memo read to him is titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US", and the entire 11 page memo focuses on the possibility of terrorist attacks inside the US. The contents have never been made public. The existence of this memo is kept secret until May 2002. Vice President Cheney later calls the memo just a "rehash" containing nothing new or interesting. But he says Congress and the public should not see it, "because it contains the most sensitive sources and methods. It's the family jewels."



Link2

9/02/2006 11:44:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

I see that Link1 disappeared in posting. Lets try that again with them in reverse order.

Link2

9/02/2006 11:45:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

No, that didn't work for some reason...so I'll just plaintext it (in two lines so the end won't get chopped off):

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/
02/20/findlaw.analysis.dean.wmd/

9/02/2006 11:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

But I do have to ask Mr. Milligan this:

If you published it, what makes you think that people would read it?

What makes you think that those manufactured pundits on tv with their carefully contructed "Trust me" facades wouldn't carry way more weight with their manufactured bullshit than you would with all of your facts & figures?


Enough will and because the perps are very high profile … and there is karma coming due.

We have the institutions, they are corrupted, yes, but there is more of us than "them." And as has been shwn to me in Federal district Court, when "they" confront the people, they can and will lose.

mayi sarvani karmani
sannyasyadhyatma-cetasa
nirasir nirmamo bhutva
yudhyasva vigata-jvarah

"Therefore, O Arjuna, surrendering all your works unto Me, with full knowledge of Me, without desires for profit, with no claims to proprietorship, and free from lethargy, fight."

Peace
Kris

9/03/2006 12:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"What is happening is, even though these kids have been degraded, disused and horrificly damaged by these elite bastards, there is still some humanity. According to sources these kids stole these pictures from the perps and ... the "kids" are crying out for help."

Quote from Jeff's NoBorderland post and its comments on that that I remembered--on Bonacci related things:

* 26 July 1984: Kidnapped child-sex abuse victim, Nebraskan Paul Bonacci, a young teen, writes in his diary of being kidnapped by "the rising Black American star in the Republican Party, Larry King" who takes him in a private plane to California to participate in a snuff film made at Bohemian Grove. Bonacci was forced to have sex with a young boy who was then both sexually abused and raped repeatedly by older men, and then murdered on film. Bonacci wrote in his diary that it took place in California, in "an area that had big trees." At a public meeting in Santa Rosa, California, investigator/author ex-Senator John DeCamp later told a group that he had edited out Bonacci's 1984 references to an enormous, moss-covered owl and men in hooded red robes because he did not know then about the Owl at the Grove and thought it "too far fetched for people to believe." [Later, he is shocked to find that true as well.]

...

* 1992: Paul Bonacci was shown a black and white photo of the moss-covered owl at the Grove and quickly identified it as the site of the July 1984 snuff film described in DeCamp's book.

...

* 1999: Paul Bonacci wins a $1 million lawsuit against Larry King, the former head of the Franklin Credit Union in Nebraska, whom he claimed forced him into the pedophile ring. The federal judge ruled Bonacci was truthful in his testimony, which included his claim that he was one of several young male prostitutes known to have toured the White House in the 1980s.


...

Dead men tell no (more) tales.

Hunter and snuff films

The Gannon/Gosch connection was first made public early in the morning on Feb. 20. Later that same day, Hunter S. Thompson was found dead in his home, the victim of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot.

Few people would ever have thought to connect Thompson and Gosch, but those familiar with the tales of child abuse and pedophilia documented in "The Franklin Cover-Up," a book first released in 1994 by former Neb. State Sen. John DeCamp, understand the association.

In his book, DeCamp relates many interviews and discussions with Paul Bonacci, the young man who claims to have been involved with the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch. Bonacci told horrific tales of being forced into sex with adults and other children. In one case he recalls being flown into Nevada with another young boy whom he did not know. They took on another passenger there and headed to a secluded location where Bonacci says he was forced to have sex with the younger boy. The young boy, Bonacci claims in this book, was also forced to have sex with adult males, who then killed the boy with a gunshot to the head. Bonacci says he was then forced to have sex with the corpse. The passenger they took on in Nevada filmed the entire thing, and Bonacci recalled that his name was Hunter Thompson.

"I think it's kind of strange that Hunter Thompson would commit suicide at this time," says Gunderson. "Several kids told us that he directed snuff films. I think it's a strong possibility that he was murdered and I strongly suspect that it's all connected."

And the speculation on the Internet has been that Thompson was either killed to prevent his coming forward, or that he killed himself because he feared his role as a director of child snuff films would be proven true.

DeCamp also expressed some surprise at the timing of Thompson's death and says he still believes Bonacci's claim is true. Stephenson, the blogger from Seattle who has investigated the Gosch case, is also suspicious.

"I wonder, did he know? In light of Paul's (Bonnaci) testimony regarding the snuff film, I submit he knew quite a bit," he says. "The timing of his ["two gunshots to the head suicide"] death was interesting."

The snuff film that Thompson allegedly made with Paul Bonacci is believed, based on Bonacci's description of the surroundings, to have been filmed at Bohemian Grove, a summer camp of sorts for the rich and powerful. Bohemian Grove is a secluded area outside Sacramento, Calif., where world leaders and dignitaries meet annually for a retreat that involves neo-pagan activities, including mock human sacrifices made before a large Owl statue [that some think is] referred to as "Moloch." While conducting this ritual, which they call "The Cremation of Care," participants are dressed in druid robes and chant and sing before Moloch.

Information on these gatherings has been well known for some time, though video footage has only recently been leaked out of the site. The site is very secure and access is available only to a handful of people worldwide. As a child, Bonacci could never have had access to the site, but he described it accurately, including the large owl statue.

Noreen Gosch says that on one recent evening her Web site, www.johnnygosch.com, had more than 50 hits that came from within a 10-mile radius of Bohemian Grove.

...

The photographer

Rusty Nelson claimed that he once turned down an offer of $50,000 from Hunter S. Thompson to help in the production of a snuff film. The offer was allegedly made because Nelson worked closely with Larry King, the central figure in the "Franklin Cover-Up" accused of running a pedophile and child slavery ring. Nelson would often accompany King to elaborate parties where he worked as a photographer, taking photos of high-profile individuals in compromising positions with young boys and girls.

Nelson testified in court that he participated as a photographer, but claims that, though he took compromising photos, he never took any hardcore pornographic pictures; that he absolutely refused any involvement with child pornography. But he claims that King employed a Nelson look-alike for this purpose in order to compromise both the powerful people in the photos and Nelson himself. Nelson has admitted taking tens of thousands of photos, many of which have been confiscated and either destroyed or permanently sealed to protect those depicted. But many, according to some reports, remain hidden.

Despite his denials, Nelson has served time for his photography work, having been arrested in Oregon years ago with a van full of photos, at least one of which was said to involve a minor engaged in less-than-legal activity. He's been living in Nebraska for some time, providing what information he can to private investigators and trying to put his life back together. Most recently he was working with a friend to open a studio that specializes in wedding photography.

But two days after Thompson's death, Nelson was rounded up by police and arrested [illegally, outside of their jurisdiction!], reportedly for failing to register as a sex offender in a county of which he was no longer a resident.

John DeCamp bailed Nelson out of jail and says he thinks the arrest was intended as a warning to him and others that they best keep their mouths shut. Others agree.

...

And a comment from Jeff's other related post on the "Single Pervert Theory" post that goes well with the NoBorderland" post--It's a "Corporate/CIA Pervert Theory" we are looking at folks:

Anonymous said...

"I hope someone will follow the apparent similarity between this John Karr fellow and the protected, globe-trotting, intelligence-linked group the Finders. Both Karr and the Finders are in the "education" business."

Back to the David McGowan book _Programmed to Kill, once more.

There is a whole chapter on the CIA front "the Finders".

He titles the chapter "Finders Keepers" meaning of course, its just full circle to re-catch ones that are attempting to escape or use "saving children" as the means to capture them in the first place for MKULTRA and int'l pedophile networks that are very much at the core of the CIA.

quote

p. 59-62


"People want to believe that I am at the center of everything. They are mistaken... I did things of which I was not the driving force. I was used as an instrument by others, who are themselves used as instruments by others."--Marc Dutroux


Just a few years after the conviction of Frank Fuster another child exploitation case surfaced briefly in the state of Florida. On February 7, 1987, not long before the Larry King and Craig Spence operations were exposed, the Washington Post ran an interesting story that, at the time, did not seem to have any particular national significance. The article concerned a case of possible kidnapping and child abuse, and read in part as follows:

Authorities investigating the alleged abuse of six children found with two men in a Tallahassee, Florida, Park discovered material yesterday in the Washington area that they say points to a 1960s style commune called the Finders, describe in a court document as a "cult" that allegedly conducted "brainwashing" and used children "in rituals."

D.C. police, who searched a northeast Washington warehouse linked to the group removed large plastic bags filled with color slides, photographs and photographic contact sheets. Some photos visible through the bag carried from the warehouse at 1307, 4th St Northeast were wallet-sized pictures of children, similar to school photos, and some were of naked children.

D.C. police sources said some of the items seized yesterday showed pictures of children engaged in what seemed to be "cult rituals." Officials of the U.S. Customs service, called in to aid in the investigation, said that the material seized yesterday includes photos showing children involved in bloodletting ceremonies of animals and one photograph of a child in chains.

Customs officials said that they were looking into whether a child pornography operation was being conducted...These links to the D.C. area have led authorities into a far-reaching investigation that includes the Finders--a group of about 40 people that court documents allege is led by a man named Marion Pettie [who has OSS/CIA connections, see below]--and their various homes, including the duplex apartment building in Glover Park, the northeast Washington warehouse and a 90 acre farm in rural Madison County, Virginia...

The children, identified in a court document only by the first names of Honeybee, John, Franklin, Bee Bee, Max and Mary, were described as "dirty, unkempt, hungry, disturbed and agitated." They had been living in the rear of the van for some time, the document said. Yesterday, police spokesman Hunt said one of the children, a six-year-old girl, "showed signs of sexual abuse"....

Five of the children were uncommunicative, according to police, and none seem to recognize objects such as typewriters and staplers. However, the oldest was able to give investigators some information. She said that the two men "were their teachers," according to Hunt...

Before their arrests in the park, [the two adult caretakers] had told police that they were teachers from Washington "transporting these children to Mexico and a school for brilliant children," according to Hunt. When police asked the men wear the children's mothers were they said that they were being weaned from their mothers.

It was nearly 7 years before the press revisited the Finders case, with the [disinfo] follow-up provided by U.S. News & World Report. Most likely, the strange saga of the Finders would have disappeared forever if not for the rumors surrounding the case that just would not seem to go away. These rumors were addressed in the U.S. News report as follows:

One of the unresolved questions involves allegations that the finders are somehow linked to the Central Intelligence Agency. Custom service documents reveal that in 1987, when the customs agents sought to examine the evidence gathered by Washington, D. C. police, they were told that the Finders investigation "had become an internal matter."

The police report on the case has been classified secret. Even now, Tallahassee police complain about the handling of the finders investigation by D. C. police. "They dropped this case," one Tallahassee investigator says, "like a hot rock." D.C. police will not comment on the matter. As for the CIA, ranking officials describe allegations about links between the intelligence agency and the Finders as "hogwash," perhaps a result of a simple mix-up with D. C. police. The only connection, according to the CIA: A firm that provided computer training to CIA officers also employed several members of the Finders.


It should probably be noted here that the firm that supplied the training to CIA officers didn't just employ several members of the Finders, but appears have in fact, in a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Finders organization. It should also be noted that the CIA does not, as a general rule of thumb, assign the training of its officers to outside contractors, unless, that is, the "private" the firm utilized in such a capacity as a CIA front. In the last paragraph of the U.S. News report, more intriguing connections to Langley are revealed: "the CIA's interest in the Finders may stem from the fact that [group leader Marion Pettie's] late wife once worked for the agency and that his son worked for a CIA proprietary firm, Air America." Aside from [noting the]…by then widely known (in Washington) CIA connections, the U.S. News reporters did their very best to bury the Finders story once and for all....

This does not mean, however, that there is no additional information available on the subject. As the U.S. News reporters noted in their report, there is a certain customs service memorandum that was written at the time of the original 1987 investigation. As that document was in the hands of the news reporters at the time the story was written, as they acknowledge, it should logically follow that any pertinent information contained therein would have been faithfully reported [instead of hidden, as they did]. The memo in question is actually a series of memos that were written by U.S. Customs service Special Agent Ramon J. Martínez. And the officer's own words, this is what he observed while participating in the investigation:


On Thursday, February 5, 1987, this office was contacted by telephone by... Tallahassee Police Department, juvenile division.... was further advised the children were unaware of the function and purpose of telephones, televisions and toilets, but the children had stated they were not allowed to live indoors and are only given food as a reward... Upon contacting detective Bradley, I learned that he had initiated an investigation on the two addresses provided by the Tallahassee Police Department during December of 1986. An informant had given him information regarding a cult, known as the "Finders" operating various businesses out of a warehouse located at 1307, 4th St Northeast [in DC] and were supposed to be housing children at 3918/3920 W St, Northwest. The information was specific in describing "blood rituals" and sexual orgies involving children, and an as yet unsolved murder in which the Finders may be involved.... During the execution of the warrant at 3918/20 W St, I was able to observe and access the entire building... There were several subjects on the premises. Only one was deemed to be connected with the Finders. [He] was located in a room equipped with several computers, printers, and numerous documents. Cursory examination of the documents reveal detailed instructions for obtaining children for unspecified purposes. The instructions included the impregnation of female members of the community known as the Finders, purchasing children, trading, and kidnapping. There were telex messages using MCI account numbers between a computer terminal …we located in the same room, and others located across the country and in foreign locations. One such telex specifically ordered the purchase of two children in Hong Kong to be arranged through a contact in the Chinese Embassy there. Another telex expressed interest in the "bank secrecy" situations. Other documents identified interests in high-tech transfers to the United Kingdom, numerous properties under the control of the Finders, a keen interest in terrorism, explosives, and the evasion of law enforcement. Also found in the "computer room" was a detailed summary of the events surrounding the arrest and taking into custody of the two adults and six children in Tallahassee [merely] the previous night. There were also a set of instructions which appear to be broadcast via a computer network, which advised the participants to move "the children" and keep them moving through different jurisdictions, and instructions on how avoid police attention... I also saw a large collection of photographs of unidentified persons. Some of these photographs were nudes, believed to be members of the Finders. There were numerous photos of the children, some nude, at least one of which was a photo of a child "on display" and appearing to accent the child's genitals....[O]ne of the officers presented me with a photo album for my review. The album contained a series of photos of adults and children dressed in white sheets participating in a "blood ritual." The rituals centered around the execution of at least two goats. The photos portray the execution, this and bowel, skinning and dismemberment of the goats at the hands of the children. This included the removal of the testes of a male goat, the discovery of a female goats "womb" and the "baby goats" inside the womb, and the presentation of a goat’s head to one of the children.

Further inspection of the premises disclosed numerous files relating to the activities of the organization in different parts of the world. Locations I observed are as follows: London, Germany, the Bahamas, Japan, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Africa, Costa Rica, and "Europe." There was also a file identified as "Palestinian." Other files were notified by member name or "project" name. The project appearing to be operated for commercial purposes under the front name for the Finders. There was one file entitled "Pentagon Break-In," and others referring to members operating in foreign countries. Not observed by me but related in MPD officer were intelligence files on private families not related to the Finders. The process undertaken appears to have been a systematic response to advertisements for babysitters, tutors, etc. A member of the Finders would respond and gather as much information as possible about the habits, identity, occupation, etc. of the family. The use to which this information was to put is still unknown. [Possibly whether or not they were likely subjects for child kidnapping]. There was also a large amount of data collected on various child care organizations.

The warehouse contained a large library, two kitchens, a sauna, hot tub and a "video room." The video room seem to be set up as an indoctrination center. It also appeared that the organization, had the capacity to produce its own videos. There were what appear to be training areas for children and what appeared to be an altar set up in a residential area of the warehouse. Many jars of urine and feces were located in this area.



Contrary to the claims of US news, running an international terrorist organization specializing in the trafficking of children is definitely more than just "eccentric." Unless, that is, the organization doing the trafficking is run by the Central intelligence agency. Group leader Marion Pettie shed additional light on his non-connections to the agency [sarcasm] in an interview with Steamshovel press in 1998. Recounting the history of his group, Pettie reminisced: "Going back to World War II, I kept open house mainly to intelligence people in Washington. OSS people passing through, things like that."

...

The initial arrest of the Finders in Tallahassee went almost completely unnoticed by the media. So too did another arrest in the same state in August 2000, just before Florida gained newfound fame as the land of the "hanging chads." The arrested man was Wayne Camolli , and the charge was operating an online child pornography site. The Los Angeles Times reported that the West Palm Beach home in which Camolli was arrested, not unlike the Finders' van , "was filled with so much rotting garbage, trash and VCs that the agents had to borrow oxygen masks and hazardous material suits from the county fire department to carry out the search." Seized in the raid were numerous videotapes and a computer. What makes Camolli's arrest of significance here is that, as the Times noted, it was initiated by police "investigating Belgium's most notorious pedophile murder case." It seems that Camolli had close connections to "Felix DeConinck, a suspect in the kidnapping and molestation of a 14 year old girl... [and] DeConinck in turn had links to Marc Dutroux."

Tellingly, the LA Times article quickly disappeared from the newspaper's online archives. As with so many other cases, the final words of the U.S. Customs service memorandum on the Finders investigation will likely provide the epitaph for this case as well: “No further information will be available. No further action will be taken.”

[from David McGowan's Programmed to Kill]


And from someone else above, another quote and then comment:

"Johnny Gosch
My driving pet-article, fellow Iowan and missing person Johnny Gosch, is the first article to which I made major contributions. The article was originally lacking in any hard data, and it is now among the only useful information sources on Gosch on the internet. The article is still in sore need of further editors."


Look out! Get it "too good," and the proverbial unknown right wing they will swoop in and purge it. The Skull and Bones article was killer before they killed it. I knew I had to save a copy of it and I'm glad I did. I checked back a few months later, and everything was gone, gone, gone..

Once someone got a bit detaily about regular journalistic who what where when and why issues of inbred bloodline families in Skull and Bones, it was purged within days. That interrmarriage section of Skull and Bones members was the first to go.

Frankly, Wikipedia, since it is organized by an ex-pornographer/stockbroker, Jimmy Wales, whose "grass roots" credentials have never ever been there--beware of ulterior purposes of WHY he's been so pushed onto everyone by those with little interest in the truth in the corporate media. Jimmy Wales is no "representative of a grass roots movement" he's a multi millionaire stock broker ex pornographer who's major contribution to "scholarship" has been that he was (and likely still is) a huge Ayn Rand culty kind of ideologue.

You should have your suspicions about the whole project as just a front of sorts, deep within it, regardless of the innocuous untold millions posting there. It's the self-elevated admins that you should be aware of and wary of.

I've often seen in the activities of the editors--instead of the kind hearted posters--attitudes of ignorance and rightwing zealotry and serious points of view biases and cherrypicking. Wikipedia if it's a "hot politically sensitive article" it gets "edited" down to Fox News style idiocy ALWAYS, and always with a right wing slant. There was one admin/editor who ONLY edited Bush Administration related --by purging documented issues and cited ones, without explanation. Crimes of omission you could say is the main crime of Wikipedia.

Remember the (medical/oil millionarires of the) Rockefellers bought up the Encyclopedia Britannica and then purged it of the anti-vaccine articles by major scientists ,and that was that.

More deleting and monitoring goes on at Wikipedia than writing--See www.wikitruth.org on all this. Save your favorite collectively written articles. Presently, Wikipedia has set up a true memory hole for deleting even archived ex-versions... which is very UnWiki I've been told. Jimmy Wales, the CEO of Wkipedia controls it with a passive agressive iron fist. He's the last person who should be in charge of editing anything, much less something that claims to be an encyclopedia! I like the idea, though Wales' version of it cannot be trusted, unless you are willing to go thorugh the many cites--and when there are none, well there you are. It's just well written hearsay without documentation. If you know something about a topic already it's interesting to peruse it. However, it's a terrible place to discuss politically sensitive topics or collectively create an article about the same.

See www.wikitruth.org on all this.

9/03/2006 02:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kris Millegan, for you:

KABUL, Afghanistan - Opium cultivation in Afghanistan is spiraling out of control, rising 59 percent this year to produce a record 6,100 tons — nearly a third more than the world's drug users consume, the U.N. said Saturday.

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Antonio Maria Costa, the U.N. anti-drug chief, said the results from his agency's annual survey of Afghanistan's poppy crop were "very alarming."

"This year's harvest will be around 6,100 tons of opium — a staggering 92 percent of total world supply. It exceeds global consumption by 30 percent," Costa told reporters in Kabul after presenting the survey to President Hamid Karzai. Opium is the raw material of heroin.

In a scathing statement, Costa said the Afghan government should take much stronger action to root out graft, saying governors and police chiefs of opium-growing provinces should be sacked and charged. He accused corrupt administrators of pocketing aid money.

Costa warned that the south of the country was "displaying the ominous hallmarks of incipient collapse, with large-scale drug cultivation and trafficking, insurgency and terrorism, crime and corruption."

The bulk of the increase was recorded in lawless Helmand province, where cultivation rose 162 percent and accounted for 42 percent of the Afghan crop. The province is facing an upsurge in attacks by Taliban-led militants fighting NATO forces.

"Public opinion is increasingly frustrated by the fact that opium cultivation in Afghanistan is out of control," Costa said. "Afghan opium is fueling insurgency in western Asia, feeding international mafias and causing 100,000 deaths from overdoses every year."

Western officials say militants are implicated in the drug trade, encouraging poppy cultivation and using the proceeds to help fund their insurgency. However, government officials and police, particularly at provincial and district levels, also are deeply involved.

The top U.S. anti-narcotics official in Afghanistan also warned that the illicit trade in opium and heroin threatened the country's fledgling democracy, instituted after the ouster of the hard-line Taliban regime nearly five years ago by U.S.-led forces.

"This country could be taken down by this whole drugs problem," Doug Wankel told reporters in Kabul — echoing strong rhetoric voiced by Karzai last month. "We have seen what can come from Afghanistan, if you go back to 9/11. Obviously the U.S. does not want to see that again."

"If this thing gets out of hand, you could move from a narco-economy to a narco-state. Then you have a very difficult chance for this country being able to achieve what it needs to as a democracy and a nation representing its people," he said.

Wankel described the drug trade — already estimated to account for at least 35 percent of the country's gross domestic product — as a "national security threat to Afghanistan, the region and the world."

The survey conducted by the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime showed the area under poppy cultivation in Afghanistan reached a record 407,700 acres in 2006, up from 257,000 acres in 2005. The previous highest 331,360 acres in 2004.

The estimated yield of 6,100 tons of opium resin — enough to make 610 tons of heroin — is up from 4,100 tons in 2005, exceeding the highest ever global output of 5,764 tons recorded in 1999.

Last year, about 450 tons of heroin was consumed worldwide, according to the U.N.

Costa also criticized international military, political and economic efforts, saying they were having little impact on drug cultivation. He said foreign aid was "plagued by huge overhead costs."

9/03/2006 02:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, yes, yes... I say that if you have a righteous heart within and truly care about what we can do, as individuals, then center yourself spiritually and look long & hard at that photo of those boys... for if you truly have a heart, the image will fill it with a fiery rage and a renewed sense of determination to do whatever it takes to expose the evil ones & hold them accountable. And I think we have now a pretty good idea of who/what these entities really are... thanks to the efforts of so many, people like Jeff and all you bloggers who are working to stay on top of breaking news and also to connect the dots of the bigger picture.

One thought was to start distributing that photo on a simple flyer put together, take it around to "high-level" types, pay a little visit to express concerns & leave the flyer with the office staff to browse during breaktime. That ought to rattle a few cages...

Of course the flyer should include brief details of the case & what Noreen Gosch has discovered since, links to her website + others... also mention of the book "The Franklin Cover-Up" by Nebraska's former state Senator, John DeCamp.

Another thing we could all do is to give Johnny's mother some donations to help. She certainly needs a better server for her site - it has been overloaded all day now. I think Jeff deserves a tip in the hat too, this site has certainly helped open my eyes to truth about what is really happening behind the curtains.

I pray that the Great Creator will bring forth Mahakranti fires of purification to end this worldly realm if that is what it takes to deliver all the suffering children of humanity from their bondage ... if we must all burn to ash in order to bring about the end of these evil ones, then so be it. Besides, what being of goodheartedness, seeking enlightenment, wisdom and compassion, a true "humane-being" would have fear of leaving this mortal body? Who really wants to live in a hell world where such atrocities are merely tolerated as "ho hum" no big deal? Better that this reality be reset back to the stone age and let all energies, all consciousness, be sorted out by the divine forces for a complete reformatting...

PS: Kris Millegan, yes, yes, yes let us all join efforts on the Holy Kurukshetra battlefield... OM

9/03/2006 03:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.puritans.net/news/boysclub082405.htm

9/03/2006 08:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

INNOMINATA said:

I find it interesting that the IP address of the first "skeptic" of the Gosch photos (appearing almost immediately, on the evening of Sept 1) was tracked to Reston, VA. Could be a coincidence, but Reston is obviously spook central. Assuming it was an "asset" expressing immediate skepticism, then the photos appearance was not their doing, but someone elses. Someone had the photos, and realized the best way to get publicity was to drop it off on Noreen's porch. Even though it would traumatize the poor woman, it was the most effective way to get publicity. Would Johnny himself have done this to his mother? Seems untenable, but who knows.

Or maybe some random denizon of Reston just decided on the same night the story came up and was posted (by SydneyH) to Wikipedia to express skepticism. Possible, but odd.

A "Google Trends" search on "Johnny Gosch shows a single large spike in early 2005, top city Des Moines. Nothing shown for 2006. (Nothing for "rigorous intuition," either). Try your own search pattern:

http://www.google.com/trends

Someone above wrote:

"I pray that the Great Creator will bring forth Mahakranti fires of purification to end this worldly realm if that is what it takes to deliver all the suffering children of humanity from their bondage ... if we must all burn to ash in order to bring about the end of these evil ones, then so be it."

Sounds like the Akita, Japan prophecy about "fire falling from heaven, and killing 2/3 of mankind." Or the passage in Zechariah. What is 'Mahakranti?' Is that Buddhist?

Just checked the Wikip. article on JG. Modified again on Sep 3, someone added in the first sentence that it's John "The Goschster" Gosch. Don't remember the nickname being there the other night. Also, the link to the author/editor cites isn't there. Did someone not like Kris's WhoIs exercise?

Carpe Diem

9/03/2006 09:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, jumped the gun. There were dozens of edits the past few days, over 20 by 9am EST on Sept 3.

9/03/2006 09:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting. On Sept 2, 23:26 hours, someone removed the Conspiracy of Silence links, noting that "it has its own article."

Wouldn't want to tie up server space which could be used for Pokemon articles, I guess.

9/03/2006 09:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't help myself.

The person who decided to remove the 'Conspiracy of Silence' link is Michael C. Berch, residing in Pleasanton, California, near SF. He's an attorney, bald head, earring in left ear.

Glad he should take such an interest in this case.

He can be contacted at

attorney@berchlaw.com

Kris? Care to ask?

9/03/2006 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous little man said...

For your concideration: a song by Negativland called, "The Bottom Line". The band may have started the first idea of showing the media's lack of fact-finding, but this piece of spoken word collage is as timely as it was when first made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWWzh_BL7Lc

9/03/2006 09:41:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

My introduction to the rabbit hole was found on page 24 of a book called; The Development of Physical Theory in the Middle Ages.

“ ..for Plato the answer to a scientific question is no new discovery, for it was always possessed; for the Sophists the answer is a completely new discovery, but it has nothing to do with the question posed.
In answer to the dilemma Aristotle rejected both the Platonic and the nominalist views, retaining the element of truth contained in both. With the nominalists he agreed that the answer to a scientific problem is truly the discovery of something new; but with Plato he agreed that the answer is somehow already known-known potentially in the question or problem raised. That is to say, the answer is actually unknown and it must be discovered by scientific investigation, but it is potentially, or virtually contained within the confines of the scientific question. Thus the answer to a scientific question is not found in spite of the question, but precisely in terms of the question.”

It is through questions that we touch the field of the nouminal or pre-manifest. This is how we extend the source of causation beyond the hard walls of dualism. Both absolutism and relativism depend on these hard walls and they limit their questions accordingly.

IC, thanks for your passion and willingness to engage directly with questions at hand.

Starroute, your information and presentation are smooth, useful and often provide excellent food for thought, however to my mind relativism provides too many hiding places for scoundrels. Not you, please do not take offence, I love your contributions.

9/03/2006 09:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Or you can sit in your chair and bullshit your self and others.

Funny you should mention chair. At home, at least, I have purposefully selected the most uncomfortable chair in the house in which to perch myself in front of this Cyber Candy Box. It's a small wooden child's chair that accompanies a small child's art desk. It's uncomfortable as hell. I feel very much like a self-flagellating Monk wearing the Hair Shirt when I'm seated in it.

That's the way I want it. I have strategically chosen the chair to be purposefully discomforting in order to avoid endless hours of Cyber Drug Abuse. The most I can do in this chair is an hour.

See, like you, and all of us here, I have a sweet tooth, but unlike you, I don't want to lose my teeth, so I limit my exposure.

I have no illusions that I can save the world. No one ever has.....and no one ever will. Syndicated and/or Random Child Abductions are but one of a plethora of Abominations occurring on a regular basis. If you push the evil in this one spot, it only forces it to pop out of another spot. It's a fungible mass that can neither be added to or subtracted from....it merely changes shape, either at your own behest, or of its own whimsical accord.

And, in answer to your question Who are you, Shrubageddon?.


I think the answer is quite obvious.

I am your brazen, unadulterated, self-published (or, unpublished) Alter Ego.

9/03/2006 10:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bump:

Anonymous said...
sw, I hope you are still checking in on this board.

I would really appreciate it if you could say what happened to the girl after this picture on was taken? What is she doing now?

per: sw said...
Maybe they left her the photo because one of the other children in the photo sitting next to Johnny has come forward recently.
Maybe the little boy is actually a little girl that looks like a boy.
9:16 PM

9/03/2006 10:55:00 AM  
Anonymous starroute said...

sounder -

Thank you, but I really am trying to avoid the shoals of relativism -- which to me means the current deconstructionist mode of saying that one story is as good as any other and everyone has the right to their own beliefs.

What I think I'm saying is that there are questions that can't be resolved by additional information -- because the information is lacking or conflicting or possibly disinfo -- and that those cases can only be resolved by "rigorous intuition" or a good heart, or whatever phrase best captures the moral ability to single out one story over another.

It's complex, though, and I'm certainly going to continue thinking about it.

9/03/2006 11:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This post is just more anti-semitic garbage!

In America are you not innocent until proven guilty and you are libelously slandering Yosef Sagir Ofri.

Abraham Foxman is personally monitoring this blog.

Most of the posters to this blog are sensible people probably, but you are being cleverly manipulated by the group running this blog and others like it. They are filled with hatred.

9/03/2006 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love this site and the mind-expanding comments, but we have to kill one idea before it spirals out of control:

There is no way that Jeff Gannon was a little boy in the Eighties. He's over 40 and was an adult at the time. He looks over 40. His high schools has records of him attending during the 70's, making him a good 10 years too old to be Goesch.

9/03/2006 11:31:00 AM  
Blogger RoadsEnd said...

Shrub

Dualistic speciousness is big reason for the fetid swamp we all get to slog through.

Put force in Justice instead of playing mindgames.

MHO
Peace,
Om
K

9/03/2006 12:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

For the record, there seems to be a pattern involved with the "kidnapped" kids. several of known kidnapped kids have the initials J. G. Was Gannon part of this "pattern."

Quien Sabe?

Peace,
Kris Millegan

9/03/2006 12:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re Guckert as "not Gannon," I've never seen the evidence of this. I did see, some time back, the yearbook pix of a James Guckert from a time period inconsistent with Gosch or with Gannon being in his 40s, but those pictures didn't look a thing like Gannon.

Also, at that time, I saw comments only from one person who claimed to have known Guckert in school, but that source 1) wasn't authenticated, and 2) didn't know Gannon to make a comparison.

Could a naysayer here please direct us to a credible online source to the real James Guckert? Perhaps I'm just behind on this news the MSM refuses to report in lieu of sexy rich, white blonde girls. Thanks.

I do really, really find it difficult not to be skeptical of Gannon/Guckert's real origin when so few people seem to have come forward as knowing him in any capacity at all, and all 3 or 4 of those I've read have only very isolated and limited contact with him. It's like he just fell off a turnip truck and landed in the White House as an assumed journalist of prestige -- and no one from the real MSM or real Hill staff noticed anything odd until bloggers questioned his questions. WTF???

I mean, I'm a nobody from a tiny town in the middle of nowhere, went to a small college, and if I showed up in the WH press corps, my local papers, alumni news, etc, would be abuzz and doing "we knew him when" features with all my old classmates. Gannon/Guckert doesn't add up.

9/03/2006 01:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Negativland video is amazing. In all humility, I offer this (which is offered on You Tube as a video response to John the Revelator):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMaymm7hfxI&watch_response

Gosh, if only Johnny had been chipped...

9/03/2006 02:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are we pets? Animals?

Are we obsolete?

Rod Serling explains:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4eFblS2-io&mode=related&search=

9/03/2006 02:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sept. 11, 1991: synchronicity with GHWB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo&mode=related&search=

Loop out of time. "The rule of law governs the conduct of nations!" Hahahahahahaha ... oh my.

9/03/2006 02:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did this get on the video only thread?

Owls, owls, everywhere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMMImXbcj2s&mode=related&search=

9/03/2006 02:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

-thanks to anon. for the DeCamp refresher above. BTW, the Smoking Gun has photos of the Pitkin County Sheriff's report on Hunter Stockton Thompson's death:

The reporting deputy states: I saw a man exit the house and walk toward me. He identified himself as Juan Thompson. I told Juan I had heard gunshots and asked Juan who was shooting and why. Juan told me that he had shot a shotgun into the air to mark the passing of his father...

Pretty casual... I would think that the deputy would have reported his weapon as drawn, ordering Juan to show his hands, etc.

yeah, I know- we've covered this before, but some of this stuff still makes me tilt my head like a dog hearing a shriek in the distance...

oh well...

Link here.

9/03/2006 03:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From trunews via blognet:

Friday, March 25, 2005
Response to the Des Moines Register, re: Gannon/Gosch
The Tyranny Response Unit received a query from a reporter at the Des Moines Register asking three basic questions about the Gannon-Guckert-Gosch theory.

1. When did we become aware of the story?

2. Why did we blog it?

3. Are we convinced that Gannon is Gosch?

Libertythink.com has chosen to publish their response, and so have we.

Our official response is as follows.

To the Des Moines Register:

We first came across the Gannon/Guckert theory last month through Jeff Wells, who, in turn, was later tipped off to the Gannon/Gosch idea vis-a-vis THIS thread at Democratic Underground.

It interests us because:

* The 1989 Child-sex-ring cover-up that was covered by the Washington Times indicates that the idea of a homosexual underground within the Republican camp is not new.

*We find it interesting that the name of the then-publisher of the Des Moines Register was a James Gannon, and this is possibly who Guckert/Gannon stole his pen-name from.

We chose to blog it because:

* It was in response to the market demand in the blogosphere. People were digging hard, and we offer a perspective not found in the mainstream media.

* The coincidence between the name of your former editor and the fake name of "Gannon" is certainly strange. Johnny Gosch may have been abducted and pulled into the MK-ULTRA program, where he may have adopted the Gannon "alter".

* There may be mind-control elements with Gannon, because if he really was pimping out gay hookers in the White House, anonymity is essential. It's possible, but not probable, as we have not found any evidence that Gannon was offering other services when he was in the White House. If he did, how would he ensure anonymity?

* The strange association of Hunter S. Thompson and Jeff Gannon is noteworthy. Gannon made a subtle reference to HST in his come-back column, which only served to fuel the speculation.

* Lenny Bloom and Sherman Skolnick have postulated that Hunter S. Thompson may have had insider knowledge of the Gannon affair and was possibly going to write on it. HST would have been all over this story if he were still alive.

*The name Hunter Thompson is cited in Paul Bonnacci's testimony in the Franklin-pedophile case. We don't think HST was a pedophile at all, but he may had knowledge of what was going on. TRUNews takes the stance that HST's death is suspicious.

*The photographer who was likely using Hunter's name (in Bonnacci's testimony) as a cover was arrested shortly after HST was "suicided".

* Noreen Gosch has neither confirmed or denied Gannon's identity, and this is telling. If Gannon really is Gosch, then he can bring down the Bush Administration. We are concerned for his safety and feel that most of the coverage has centered on the sexual hipocrisy of the whole affair, when it should focus on Gannon's possible clientel. We expect to see in the future a media blitzkrieg on Noreen Gosch that will discredit her.

Are we convinced?

We'd need some convincing proof that Gannon is Gosch, such as the word of Noreen Gosch. However, we fear that if she does so, Gannon will turn up "suicided". Gannon likely has inside info on the gay Republican underground, and is on the "good guy's" side. He is not the enemy that the blogosphere has made him out to be.

Good luck on the story and we hope that you uncover the details that could take Gannon-gate to the next level of intrigue.

- The Tyranny Response Unit

9/03/2006 04:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Netanyahu is meeting Monday with Dick Cheney.

"Now, about those photos..."

9/03/2006 05:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Netanyahu probabaly deep in in as well, given all the CFR and money laundering stuff he's involved in in this Barry Chamish talk, and given that he finds himself pre-warned of the upcoming London terrorist attack by Scotland Yard--when the Yard was not warning anyone else. Giuliani who runs an "anti-terror planning corporation" now called Giuliani Partners just happened to be in London during that terror attack as well. Small world.


juicy parapolitical stuff, hardly for the squeamish though...

Barry Chamish: who murdered Yitzhak Rabin and Utah Congressman Wayne Owens
2 hr 40 min 23 sec - Jul 15, 2006

On July 15, 2006 Barry Chamish, author and journalist, spoke in Salt Lake City, Utah about the murder of Yitzhak Rabin, Prime Minister of Israel, as well as the interrelated death of Utah Congressman Wayne Owens. Barry also gives other insights to what's currently going on in the war in Israel.

another:

six little film excerpts at this link:

VIDEO: Peres Gave All E. Jerusalem Religious Sites to Vatican: U.N./NWO Holy Roman Empire
by Barry Chamish excerpts ( chamish [at] netvision.net.il )
Sunday Apr 9th, 2006 12:50 AM

Excerpts from Barry Chamish's Lastest Video Presentation: "ZION FIRST: The Vatican's New Crusade for Jerusalem."

Information that should be widely shared. This is a small preview of a very vivacious talk, with question and answer session, with Barry Chamish. Check website for more.

These excerpts concentrate on Sabbateanism and the Vatican's desire to start up the Holy Roman Empire--which of course was the German Reich)...and to innately connect it with U.N. troops. Let the truth be told on the infiltration and attempt to destroy Judaism by the Sabbatean leadership, as well as their connection to the Vatican-NWO-one world religion & U.N. nexus. If Jewish people have ever wondered why their "leadership" does so much damage to their interests, this is for you.

six films, six summaries

1 Peres left out of Oslo Accords, Nothing to do with him, so Peres Makes a Deal with Vatican As Backup: Gave East Jerusalem and Mount Zion to the Vatican for U.N. Policed NWO international area: plans for no passport area policed by U.N. and how it connects to the continuing Crusades for the Holy Roman Empire dominion that the Vatican wants still after centuries

2 1860s, Sabbateans of Labor Zionism (not Jewish, followers of Donmeh False Messiah Sabbatai Tzvi, cloaked) plot destruction of religious Jews to herd them to Israel for Destruction

3 1880s, Sabbeteans, Pogroms of 1880s to Drive Jewish people to the Sabbeatan territorial areas, though having difficulty getting their territory there

4 Sabbateans drop attempts to get Germany to give them a Sabbetean state by the 1900-1910 period, go with Britain instead; Britain pulls 1 million troops out of WWI during the fighting and sends them to conquer Palestine

5 Hertzl murdered; Chaim Weisman (Sabbatean) as his replacement: Labor Zionism and the Nazis work as one in Germany to herd more Jewish people to Sabbatean State

6 Rockefellers aid in pressuring the U.N. vote for Israel post WWII; as well as how Israel only went after the small Nazis and let the larger ones they worked with escape

9/03/2006 07:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the bloggers who didn't think this latest turn-of-events would make it to the MSN, ABC covered it this AM. The pictures were shown, plus an interview with Noreen. They even showed the original milk cartons with Johnny's picture.

This would never have been news except for the bloggers of DU last year. This is historic in the sense that the MSN can't control all the news all the time.

Shrub - United to we stand, alone we hang!

Wasn't there a book promised by Gosch/Gannon last year?

9/03/2006 07:33:00 PM  
Anonymous sw said...

sw said...

My earlier post was misleading. I posted that before I even looked at the photos. I do not know the people in the photos.

I am personally familiar with the places and the stuff done to kids like this because it was done to me. Photos of me were taken and I remember that some of the females like me actually looked like boys when we had clothes on.

I was freaked out after reading that there were more photos. I was afraid that I would click on one of the photos and see myself.

They always took photos of us.

They took movies of us too.

My Dad was a photographer for the Omaha World Herald around the same time he worked at Boys Town. Small World. Huh.

9/03/2006 08:02:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

I'm not interested in one person's opinion that has to have epic proportions. Make your point succinctly. Some of us have been down this road for decades...ie..bin dar dun dat. sweet?

Jeff...them thar TV types bin talkin bout you on The Daily Show. Check out the Jon Benet stuff and you will see more than a couple of links...a

9/03/2006 08:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"This would never have been news except for the bloggers of DU last year. This is historic in the sense that the MSN can't control all the news all the time."

LOL, ummm, NO.

Noreen receiving the pictures would (and should) have been screaming headline news if DU never existed.

9/03/2006 08:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Jeff...them thar TV types bin talkin bout you on The Daily Show. Check out the Jon Benet stuff and you will see more than a couple of links...a"

Huh? Where? Link?

9/03/2006 08:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Noreen receiving the pictures would (and should) have been screaming headline news if DU never existed.

Yeah, no kidding.

What a stupid freakin name.....Democratic Underground. It sounds so brave...in a Pee Wee Herman kind of way.

If it means Democracy's Dead (i.e. Six Feet Ubder) as in it was Stillborn, then it makes sense. Either way, it's a perfect form of containment for the neutered, armchair false lefties.

9/03/2006 08:51:00 PM  
Anonymous rain said...

with regard to the tit-for-tat and/or 'blackmail' angle, there's also this little spoof -

FBI Probes Pentagon Spy Case
Aug. 27, 2004

CBS News has learned that the FBI has a full-fledged espionage investigation under way and is about to -- in FBI terminology -- "roll up" someone agents believe has been spying not for an enemy, but for Israel from within the office of the Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon.

60 Minutes Correspondent Lesley Stahl reports the FBI believes it has "solid" evidence that the suspected mole supplied Israel with classified materials that include secret White House policy deliberations on Iran.

At the heart of the investigation are two people who work at The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a powerful pro-Israel lobby in Washington.

The FBI investigation, headed up by Dave Szady, has involved wiretaps, undercover surveillance and photography that CBS News was told document the passing of classified information from the mole, to the men at AIPAC, and on to the Israelis.

CBS sources say that last year the suspected spy, described as a trusted analyst at the Pentagon, turned over a presidential directive on U.S. policy toward Iran while it was, "in the draft phase when U.S. policy-makers were still debating the policy."

This put the Israelis, according to one source, "inside the decision-making loop" so they could "try to influence the outcome."

The case raises another concern among investigators: Did Israel also use the analyst to try to influence U.S. policy on the war in Iraq?

With ties to top Pentagon officials Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith, the analyst was assigned to a unit within the Defense Department tasked with helping develop the Pentagon's Iraq policy.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has been made aware of the case. The government notified AIPAC today that it wants information about the two employees and their contacts with a person at the Pentagon.

AIPAC told CBS News it is cooperating with the government and has hired outside counsel. It denies any wrongdoing by the organization or any of its employees.

An Israeli spokesman said, "We categorically deny these allegations. They are completely false and outrageous." The suspected spy has not returned repeated phone calls from CBS News.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/27/eveningnews/main639143.shtml

9/03/2006 08:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's more about this topic (johnny) on the R.I. board...
Link.

9/03/2006 09:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Off topic of the Gosch story but relates to the Isreali spy story.

This is from a debate between Dennis Perrin of redstateson.blogspot.com, Nada Khader of WESPAC, Morton Klein of the Zionist Organization of America,& Sidney Zion of the New York Daily News.

If this is how Zionists define 'debate' I can see why the Middle East has been one big war zone.

& if Mr. Waxman is "monitoring this blog" & wants to label me an anti Semite he'd be as on the mark as the people who have labeled me a CIA agent or a right-winger.

"After a 15-minute delay, we were all introduced and brought on stage. Originally, we were to be seated Nada, Mort, me, Zion. But Mort feared being flanked by Nada and myself, saying that we would be able to see his notes. I asked what he thought that either of us would do with his notes -- crib his arguments? But Klein insisted that he and Zion be seated together, with Nada and me at the other end of the table. So before any of us said a word into a mike, we had to be segregated by outlook. This spoke volumes about our opponents' views of those who differ with them, as well as what their concept of a "democratic" Israel should look like.

We each were given five minutes for opening remarks. Nada began with a carefully-worded but strong indictment of Zionism's impact on Palestinian lives. "Oh boy," I thought to myself. "Here we go."

No sooner had Nada completed her statements when Mort kicked into high rhetorical gear. He spoke loudly about "Arab hatred" of Jews, and how "the Arabs" taught their children this hatred. He whipped out a Palestinian poster showing a kid wearing jihadist gear and holding a rifle. He then produced a large map of the Middle East and ranted the usual nonsense about how Israel has always fought "defensive" wars. Through it all, it was "the Arabs!" this and "the Arabs!" that. I wondered how well my arguments would be received if I shouted about "the Jews!" every twenty seconds. But clearly, Mort saw nothing wrong with his presentation."

-snip-

"
Now it was Zion's turn, and I focused more on his tone rather than his exact words. Zion was loud, belligerent, and appeared to have a seething hatred of Arabs. He then dismissed Nada's "bullshit," and called her a stupid "little girl." Much of the audience booed him on this point, and Zion yelled right back at them. The evening's mood had been definitively set.

From here the "debate" went south in a hurry. Whenever Nada or I tried to make a point or respond to Klein and Zion, one of them, or sometimes both, would interrupt, yelling into the mike in order to drown us out. It was then I noticed that Zion had a bottle of Johnnie Walker Black Label Scotch stashed under the table. In the moments when he wasn't bellowing, he poured himself drink after drink, getting more hammered as the night wore on. And of course the more hammered he got, the more abusive he became.

By now it was nearly impossible to speak without disruption. As I tried to trace the Zionist narrative from the 1920s to now, citing Ze'ev Jabotinsky and David Ben Gurion, Zion went nuts, screaming from his Scotch-reeking mouth, "What the fuck are you talking about?!" and informing the audience that "this son of a bitch is a goddamned liar!" though Zion offered zero proof that this was so. I tried my best to ignore him (tough to do, as Zion trash talked me off-mike as I spoke, suggesting that I wanted to see Jews murdered, etc.) and talk to the audience, which was getting more stirred up by the minute, heckling and shouting back at the stage, mostly at Zion, who naturally told them to shut up and drop dead. I said that if anyone doubted me, they could go online and find these early Zionist documents for themselves. Simply Google the names I mentioned and check the sources that pop up.

Zion yelled, "What is this, a computer class?! What the fuck's going on here?!" He then fell momentarily silent so he could serve himself another drink.

Ron Kuby admitted that he'd lost control of the debate, even though Nada and I did our best to stay within its parameters. It was Klein but especially Zion who were running wild, freely ranting whenever they felt the urge, and openly conceding that they were disrupting Nada and me, and that we had it coming. There was a brief period of time when Nada and myself simply fell silent and watched Zion and Klein argue with the audience. And this was before the Q& A!

A long line formed in the left aisle of the Hall as audience members waited for their turn to speak directly to us. Soon it became clear that most of the questions and criticisms were aimed at Klein and Zion, which they couldn't believe. "Is this audience full of Arabs?!" Zion drunkenly shouted. "We've been set-up!"

In fact, several of their critics were Jewish, including an older man who said he was an Israeli from Haifa who took serious issue with Zion's raving. He followed up a point I'd made earlier about Israel's alliance with Christian Phalangists in southern Lebanon, and how this brutal occupation helped give rise to Hezbollah. ("Brutal?" Zion shouted at me. "Are you fucking crazy?!") The Israeli man noted that Lebanese Christian rightists were in league with the German Nazis during World War II, and how shameful it was for Israel to be associated with them. Zion was so loaded at this point that he thought the man called Israelis Nazis, which of course he hadn't. But reality meant nothing to Zion as he screamed at the man, "Fuck you Jew-boy!" As the man quietly returned to his seat, Zion kept yelling, "Don't you walk away from me, Jew-boy!", undeterred by the audience's open outrage".

9/03/2006 11:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

& then you have child abuse of a different sort:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/08/30/guard_families_cope_in_two_dimensions/

"Maine National Guard members in Iraq and Afghanistan are never far from the thoughts of their loved ones.
But now, thanks to a popular family-support program, they're even closer.
Welcome to the ``Flat Daddy" and ``Flat Mommy" phenomenon, in which life-size cutouts of deployed service members are given by the Maine National Guard to spouses, children, and relatives back home.
The Flat Daddies ride in cars, sit at the dinner table, visit the dentist, and even are brought to confession, according to their significant others on the home front.
``I prop him up in a chair, or sometimes put him on the couch and cover him up with a blanket," said Kay Judkins of Caribou, whose husband, Jim, is a minesweeper mechanic in Afghanistan. ``The cat will curl up on the blanket, and it looks kind of weird. I've tricked several people by that. They think he's home again."

9/03/2006 11:19:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Once again, Richard, you've found the oddity of the smokinest stripe. The Flat Daddy Program is actually carefully modified limited hang out designed to squash rumors that we've already been reduced from 7 dimensions down to 3. Ever wonder what's missing, when all your bits are apparently accounted for? It's your stolen dimensions...

9/04/2006 01:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder if this story can be tied to the ones above?

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/15426632.htm

9/04/2006 02:33:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

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9/04/2006 11:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I started messing with runes a few months back, just for fun. What is interesting is that I started seeing images when I would read the runes for my friends. Some of the images were very accurate.

Anyway, I thought I would cast a rune about the Johnny Gosch case. The rune I cast told me to look to my intuition. I closed my eyes and tried to pick up any images. I pictured a handcuffed boy walking down some stairs in front of an old white clapboard building like an old church or school. Any thoughts on this? Do you think he might have been held in such a place?

9/04/2006 11:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Something odd, Jeff!

I was researching the IP address listed in the comments here. It is specifically a Takoma Park, Maryland location.

Oddly enough when I googled Takoma Park and Gosch, I got an earlier article from your blog.


"A search for Susan Lindauer at Intellius produces listings for Susan P. Lindauer, age 43, in Silver Springs and Takoma Park. That's clearly her."

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2006/02/markovian-parallax-denigrate_18.html

I just thought this was kind of strange.

9/04/2006 12:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

IC, do you think that since they have the technology to turn 3-d soldiers into 2-D parents, they can reverse the process & turn the 2-D politicians we've been stuck with into actual 3 dimensional human beings?

9/04/2006 12:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kris Milligan said the IP address traced to Reston, VA. How did you trace it to Tacoma Park?

Still intrigued by the San Fran atty on Wikipedia who deleted the reference to 'Conspiracy of Silence' from the Johnny Gosch article.

Today Net 'n' Yahoo is meeting with Mad Dog Dick Cheney, and Bliar is whispering in the Queen's ear at Balmoral ("this is why we have to do it, Your Highness...").

What day would I pick to atom bomb Iran? Knowing that the population doesn't support it, in a desperate attempt to regenerate some of that down-home redneck patriotism (you know, the kind that papers their rusted pickup with 'Terrorist Hunting Licenses' and pictures of the angry boy pissing on Bin Laden), I'd do it on
September 11. Five years to the day from the first Reichstag event, 15 years to the day from when Poppy announced the New World Order (see video link above).

Really, really hope I'm wrong. Otherwise it really IS John the Revelator.

9/04/2006 02:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, Kris said it was in Washington, and Takoma Park is very close. I believe the Reston address is the address of Verizon, who is the carrier.

Another interesting tidbit is that Dyncorp headquarters is in Reston, VA. Dyncorp was in trouble for prostituting young girls in Bosnia (but unfortunately not much trouble). (I don't want to confuse this issue with that, but it is an addendum to the child abuse thing.)

9/04/2006 02:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Okay, Kris asked what should we do.

For starters, don't throw your children in Daycare. Daycare is an Abomination and it is pseudo abuse, neglect and abandonment of your children and your responsibility.

I'll await the furious blowback.

9/04/2006 03:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Here's what a civil war doesn't look like:

"The U.S.-led coalition said eight troops had died over the past two days — six Americans and two British.

On Sunday, two U.S. Marines were killed in Anbar and two soldiers were killed by roadside bombs, one in Mosul, 225 miles northwest of Baghdad, and the other near Baqouba, 35 miles northeast of the capital. Another U.S. soldier was killed Monday by a roadside bomb, while one died of non-combat injuries, the military said.

In the south, a roadside bomb killed two British soldiers and seriously wounded a third north of the southern city of Basra, British military spokesman Maj. Charlie Burbridge said.

In the capital, police said they found the bullet-riddled bodies of 33 men, all showing signs of torture and with their hands and feet bound, dumped around several neighborhoods.

Another two bodies were found dumped on a highway in Kut, 100 miles southeast of Baghdad. Both had been shot in the head and chest, said Maamoun Ajil al-Robaiei from the morgue at Kut hospital.

Meanwhile, assailants kidnapped popular soccer star and Olympic team member Ghanim Ghudayer. Considered one of the best players in Baghdad's Air Force Club, the 22-year-old was kidnapped Sunday evening by unknown assailants, some of whom were wearing military uniforms, police said.

In an effort to improve security in the capital, the U.S.-led coalition said the Iraqi army had begun searching the Mansour district of Baghdad as part of a crackdown aiming at tackling violence neighborhood by neighborhood. U.S. soldiers were continuing "to observe and advise" the Iraqi army during the operation, the military said.

The coalition also said it had killed five suspected insurgents and a child and wounded a second child during a raid in Muqdadiyah, about 60 miles north of Baghdad."

**************************

Meanwhile, the Idiot & Chief still sputters on & on & fucking on:

"The problem is we get oil from some parts of the world and they simply don't like us," Bush said. "And so the more dependent we are on that type of energy, the less likely it will be that we are able to compete, and so people have good, high-paying jobs."

-snip-

Before his outdoor remarks, Bush spent time "steering" a
U.S. Coast Guard cutter in a simulation room where he was surrounded by video screens offering him a panoramic view of the harbor in Baltimore and gurgling sounds of water.

"Just make sure I don't run into the wall," he joked.

********************

Someone should probably point out to President Brain Damaged that he hit the fucking wall a loooooooooooooong time ago.

9/04/2006 04:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

Yes, please excuse I could have explained more. I said the IP address was in the DC area , which Takom Park is, and then that what I posted was that the IP address was a Verizon supplied number and that the Reston address was Verizon's.

I understood, but I can understand how it was misunderstood.

Beyond that, the current ruling amoral criminals belong in jail.

MHO
Peace,
Om
Kris Millegan

9/04/2006 04:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Here's a link t a book concerning the Daycare Topic.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1893554678?v=glance

Heres' one of many positive reviews.

As a graduate of Barnard College, I would consider myself a feminist. However, after reading this book, I must say that I am disgusted by the influence of the modern feminist agenda in the media, acadamia and politics, and the subsequent damage which this "feminist" influence causes to children.

New mothers who are trying to make a crucial decision about whether or not to stay home or to return to work are unwittingly given incomplete information. Isn't the women's movement about educating women and giving them the freedom to choose their own path? If so, shouldn't feminists be truth-seekers, educating themselves and other mothers about both the pros and cons of daycare? In Robertson's book, I found example after example of the opposite happening in our society.

Studies showing detrimental effects of daycare have been vilified, or simply refused publication. Childhood experts have taken their anti-daycare (or pro-mother-at-home for the child's early years) comments out of their books because of backlash from feminists. I could continue to give mortifying examples, but please read the book because Robertson does a very thorough job of spelling out for the reader just how bad daycare is for children and why we never hear anyone say so.

I recommend this book to any parent struggling over their employment-childcare decision. I would also recommend this to mothers raising their children full-time because it will support your choice to put your children first. Most of all, I recommend this book to policy makers who falsely believe that government funding of center-based childcare will solve problems. Please read this book.


Ummm.....I don't think the McMartin Case was an Aberration, yet people are just dumping their kids in Daycare like there's no tomorrow......perhaps they're right....meaning, there is no tomorrow......but for today, I can't help but call out the absurdity for what it is. Especially the lefties on Democratic Underground who vehemently support the concept of Daycare, and by virtue of that, they support a Multi-Billion Dollar Industry with Lobbying Tactics and Clout that rival Big Oil.

You can't have it both ways. Ever heard the saying "don't feed the bears?" Well, it applies here. Don't feed these fuckers your children.

I don't......and Richard doesn't, either. We have made the requisite material sacrifices in our life to avoid feeding our children to the beast.

9/04/2006 08:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Plugged "Johnny Gosch" into technorati, and found a host of non-parapolitical blogs talking about this, expressing a certain amount of amazement. Typical is this, from a blog called "Just Ain't Right":

"Yesterday, I went on a sort of a tinfoil jaunt. I visited the weird web underworld of everything from the Franklin Conspiracy to JonBenet Ramsey's death. I found out that Johnny Gosch, a kid who disappeared in 1982 might be Jeff Gannon. I discovered that a man named Lawrence King ran a pedophile ring that may have included Johnny/Jeff. And oh SO much more. I have to admit that I have absolutely no idea what is true and what isn't. However, a more fasciniating read you will have a tough time finding. It all started up at Rawstory with the article about Noreen Gosch, who, on her birthday about a week ago, found an envelope on her doorstep containing two photos of her son, Johnny, who was abducted from his paper route in 1982 at the age of 12. In the photos, Johnny is bound and gagged (today Rawstory has a video of the photos and you can see them also at Noreen's site, www.johnnygosch.com). I got interested after I read the unbelievable comments thread - first there was one that said:
Johnny Gosch is alive and well (?)... although now he goes by the name of Jeff Gannon, or sometimes James Guckert. Google those names and you will indeed, as the poster above mentioned, open a "major can o worms". If you really want to dig, google Johnny Gosch and George H. W. Bush. Happy hunting!
So I did. And it turned into hours of fascinating reading. I came out of it with a small amount of shock, I think, because there has to be at least a grain of truth in some of these things. Believe it or not, in my searches, I came across a very interesting blog entry connecting the Ramseys to a lot of the same type of people that are tied to the Franklin Conspiracy. I thought it was well-written and the author seems to know their stuff. But why is it when the satanic cult stuff comes in, my doubt starts to creep in? There seems to be tons of evidence that they abound in this country. But I'm getting ahead of myself. If there is any truth to these stories then we really better worry what kind of monsters run our country. But we already knew they were monsters already, just not necessarily pedophiles. I had heard that it abounded but seeing this much proof is sort of mind-blowing. The thing that really got me was when I read that a documentary about The Franklin Scandal was scheduled to run on Discovery Channel in 1994 and was pulled at the last minute by intervention by congress, and the movie disappeared. There is a version, however, on the web, called "Conspiracy of Silence." I have not yet watched it entirely but plan to, out of curiosity. Why did congress want it pulled? That a former Republican senator named John DeCamp wrote a book about it, called "The Franklin Coverup", also gives it more legitimacy, in my opinion. In any case, here are some interesting finds: http://www.franklincase.org/indepth.htm (lays out the entire Franklin Conspiracy, point by point) This is an unbelievable read on the Ramseys, and accusing them absolutely for JonBenet's death, and tying the Ramseys in with the same crowd as Johnny Gosch & Co., and even talks about the satanistic ritual angle (which is simply out-and-out fascinating and horrifying to me). If you have any time to waste, which I didn't, but did anyway, it makes for interesting reading, to say the least. I'd love to know why is there so much written on these scandals, and so much proof, photographically, and more, and yet hardly any of the public knows about it? Your thoughts?"

Even if the whole thing was meant to apply pressure to Cheney to start the Iranaggedon ball rolling, people are waking up to the monsters dwelling under the rug.

9/04/2006 09:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Never paid much attention to the JonBenet case, but came across this--anyone know if it's for real?

Elizabeth (Ramsey), had uncovered several vivid memories of Satanic, ritual sexual abuse after a failed suicide attempt (during the ensuing therapy sessions) in which her Father apparently played a major role in the rituals. Within several months of uncovering the memories and going 'public' with them (talking to friends and family members) she was dead - killed in a 'freak' car accident the manner in which has never been fully resolved to investigators'
satisfaction."

and...

"In the three years prior to her death, Jonbenet made 33 trips to the pediatrician, diagnosis was "yeast infections". "

Seems impossible.

9/04/2006 10:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a pretty representative example of most people's reactions to this kind of vileness:

(MaxChaos) "scary scary
Okay, I have now taken in WAY TOO MUCH DISTURBING INFORMATION about the Johnny Gosch case. Don't google it, people. If you don't recognize it, then let it pass over- I need to bleach my mind's eye after reading all of franklincase.org.

Basically, I heard the bit on the news that after 24 years, someone placed pictures of her missing son on Noreen Gosch's porch. I had no idea about the political implications and fucked up shit in general. I mean, not like abduction isn't fucked up enough without the tie ins.

I'm rambling, what I'm wondering is: who knows about this stuff? Is this tinfoil hat conspiracy stuff? I'm seeing some credible websites giving it space, so....

anyone?

If you don't know what I'm talking about, PLEASE DON'T GOOGLE IT. You have been warned."

Sounds like Max just got a little more CHAOS than he bargained for.

9/04/2006 10:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to Anon 2:06
Not a lot new in what you posted, but well summarized. However, you added that Hunter Thompson committed suicide with "two bullets to the head". I have read that Gary Webb was 'suicided' with two bullets to the head but had not read the same about Hunter Thompson. Just to keep the details straight.

For those just becoming familiar with this information and finding it appalling, sorry. Join the crowd. The bigger the crowd the better.

9/05/2006 01:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon. 10:07:

You must be new to this site. It's high time you lose your "viginity" and become aware of the, often times, ugly underpinnings of the world we live in. I can't attest to the case of the moment, but I can assure you from my own experience that there really are perverted, sadistic, devil-worshipping, control freaks. Yes, Virgina, there really is evil in the world. Or, mayhaps, your just having a laugh.

Assuming you're sincere, you've come to the best site on the net. You'll find a discriminating, intelligent group of truth seekers lead by our brillant, earnest leader, Jeff. Sometimes we can't prove certain facts, hence, the name of Rigorous Intuition.

Put another way, it's discernment that one must develop and rely upon when dealing people who seek to deceive.

There's a movie you might rent, Human Trafficking, while not a documentary, gives a view into what it might be like to be captured and sold, including children. Meanwhile, start your education here. You will find that the bloggers here are fanatical about citing sources, and have been around the block, so to speak.

Shrub - Totally agree with you about daycare centers in place of a real mother. Wasn't that the plan for the NWO in that separating and breaking the family bond goes far in allowing them futher control and bondage of the citizenry? How better to be rid of the middle class than by creating the hyper femminists, i.e., women with psuedo balls who have institionalized children who have material wealth but lack any sense of humanity? Sometimes common sense seems to be missing, and by playing up to young women's Supergirl fantasies, two generations of children are clueless as to how to nuture their young.

9/05/2006 01:15:00 AM  
Anonymous little man said...

To that guy who said he need to 'bleach his brain' after finding out what he found out........DON'T!!!!!!!!

That's what they want!

Get MAD! or, to quote an old B-movie, "Must....warn...others......"

9/05/2006 10:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Shrub - Totally agree with you about daycare centers in place of a real mother. Wasn't that the plan for the NWO in that separating and breaking the family bond goes far in allowing them futher control and bondage of the citizenry? How better to be rid of the middle class than by creating the hyper femminists, i.e., women with psuedo balls who have institionalized children who have material wealth but lack any sense of humanity? Sometimes common sense seems to be missing, and by playing up to young women's Supergirl fantasies, two generations of children are clueless as to how to nuture their young.


Yep...very well said. They think they are liberated.....yeah, right....liberated to be Corporate Nazis. I know....I work with them every day.....and they are often more cut throat than their male counterparts. Also, the shit they do in Administrative Corporate America is worthless. It's the equivalent of Scrapbooking. It's generally valueless sand shifting hidden behind a veneer of self-importance.

We are a screwed up species. These people are so smart, they're dumb, if that makes any sense.

9/05/2006 11:28:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Shrubageddon brings up an interesting point about the problem of daycare in the States. When Clinton responded to the ugly wave of reactionary mindlessness that was the Eye-of-Newt's Contract on America by dismantling the adhoc welfare system that had accreted, layer on top of bureaucratic layer from Johnson's Great Society programs, the door was opened for the sinister and callous outsourcing of childcare. The welfare system, like every other social program, was essentially privatized, giving the administration of public funds over to quasi-governmental corporations which, in turn, developed ties to private daycare centers that enjoyed the same "freedom from oversight" that is the hallmark of the Halliburtonization of what used to be government-administered social programs.

Of course the "Left" was complicit in this process, but it's important to remember that what we call the Left is just the other wing of the Party. It's only a reflection of the collusion between Republicans & Democrats on the national stage; these people are not leftists at all. In the mid-'90s when all this transpired, they were the yuppie-trash dot-commers, not commies.

I have very close ties to people who grew up in the old East Bloc countries from the Cold War era, and they tell a very different story about kids and safety. Mothers received a cash stipend from the State for each child, good for the period from birth until school age (somewhat similar to what we had before the salamander person instituted his "reforms") which allowed them to stay home with the kids and guaranteed their jobs as the kids got older.

The irony of this comparison is that when I talk to my Warsaw Pact friends about it, they remember it fondly, describing the child-rearing practices in the villages of the former Evil Empire as traditional and family-oriented. The level of trust between the neighbors and the schools was such that kids were safe--when they brought their kids to school, the parents never gave a thought to abductions and perverts. Kids walked home (and everywhere else) without looking over their shoulders or repeating Stranger Danger mantras.

Living in America now, these same friends treat their kids very differently because they're scared shitless of the soullessness of the American "system". The anti-socialist, anti-progressive propaganda has done a fine job of turning the world on its head: it's all bullshit and always was. Why the richest nation on earth has the worst childcare, healthcare, elderly and disabled programs while at the same time the most bloated military budgets is a question that cannot even be addressed publicly because of the stigma of socialism.

The Ben & Jerry guy's cookie cartoon tells it in language that even propaganda-anaesthetized housecows and herdbulls can understand. "We can't fix it, there's no money in the budget" and all the other lies can't cover the truth of this. Very, extremely, pointlessly hypothetically-speaking, what if all the oceans of money that have been poured into the Iraq Adventure had gone into the sensible, locally-administered social programs that Ben Cohen advocates? What would we have now? Just guessing, I'd say: a much more stable political climate (including a greatly reduced War On Terrorscape), a renewed Social Security Administration, an infinitely better education system (from pre-school through college), and far, far fewer abducted, molested and generally terrorized children. But those were never the goals of the War On Terror, were they? Once again, who suffers and who profits? If this question were allowed to be raised, then everything from 9/11 to the growing pedophile crisis would be seen in a different light, one from which the dark and scaly creatures would shrink...

9/05/2006 12:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

IC, frankly I'm shocked. What are you? Some kind of commie pinko liberal hippy ? How on earth can we, as good Americans, be expected to screw each other over when we're suddenly too busy caring about each other?

How would reality shows like Survivor, where people essentially dick each other off to get the $$$$$$, ever be expected to find an audience in a country that no longer buys the self-centered & selfish bullshit?

Just imagine an America where those 40 cookies, that Mr. Cohen mentions, weren't spent on defense.
Then those terrorists of 5 years ago just might have succeeded in bringing down the WTC & the Pentagon.

Scary thought isn't it?

Instead of this civic minded involvement, I think we need to let George Bush & his razor sharp intellect do everything he needs to do to repair the oceans so they once again protect us. Even if it requires 50 Oreos, 20 Twinkies & a case or two of Ding-Dongs.

You obviously missed my earlier post where I quoted Rush "Heroic Icon" Limbaugh as he explained how progressive thoughts about "feeding the world's poor" have only led to fat folk in America. As Rush said, "We didn’t teach them how to fish. We gave them the fish. We didn’t teach them how to slaughter the cow to get the butter. We gave them the butter. The real bloat here as we know is in government."

Mr. Limbaugh himself acknowledges the "bloat" but unlike Ben Cohen & his military bloat, Rush understands that the real problems with government revolve around slaughtering cows that are made from butter.

Now, if we just stop killing those buttery cows things in America just may start looking better & better.

I was quite disappointed that Mr. Cohen never once mentioned these "buttery cows" & the problems they cause to all of us.

Just further proof that Mr. Cohen & his ilk quite obviously obfuscate & distract, when they could be educating & enlightening.

Please remember IC, the next buttery cow's life that you save just may be your own.

or something like that........

9/05/2006 01:33:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

The other question, Richard, is whether slaughtering sacred cows is such a sin. I realize that Rush likes to suck those Malthusian diet-shakes favored by the Ayn Rand Corporationists, but how do they, buttery cows notwithstanding, reconcile falling birth rates with increasing prosperity? Before the fish-giving Social Democrats strung the social (safety) net in Germany in the late 19th century, such a high, developing world-type birthrate existed that emigration was needed to blow off the population pressures. Once the standard of living rose, voila! The birthrate fell, just as Malthus didn't predict.

Only difference was, those twelve-children immigrant German families didn't have to climb any fences when they got off the boat. Well, they also didn't have any hot air balloons masquerading as radio pundits calling them job-stealing wet-backs...I think they were technically wet-foots. Wet-asses?

9/05/2006 03:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why are they doing this? Jeff himself found an interesting thought a while back:

"the most effective kinds of distraction or sublimation are those that echo or harmonize with the concerns they seek to distract us from."

The surgical dismemberment of Lebanon is distressing to a large degree because of the tragedy of the children; children killed, wounded, displaced. The Gosch case does kind of echo that concern, while usefully distracting a lot of people's gaze.

Could the photos simply have been part of a disinfo operation? I thought otherwise two days ago, but now I'm beginning to wonder.

9/05/2006 05:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5318204.stm

bush makes comparasins with hitler

this should be in the forum imho

there are sooooo many comparasins with bush and hitler

he is worse than hitler for crying out loud

9/05/2006 06:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apropos of nothing, I found this on a blog (Rigor Mortis Tuition, I think it was called) from May 27, 2005:

"Yesterday's news regarding developments in the Johnny Gosch case was encouraging, but we need to keep our wits about us, about them. The story is that investigator James Rothstein has a former CIA agent on tape admitting the agency's hand in the abduction. Now sometimes, former CIA agents tell the truth. But quite often, particularly about such dark and sensitive subjects, they don't. Reasonable skepticism about whatever they tell us is a good idea, not least when they tell us what we want to hear. So while I hope Rothstein is onto a strong lead, I have to also ask, could there be a reason why the Agency would intend, at this time, to sow disinformation about this crime?

After all, the best disinformation is that which most closely resembles the truth as we know it. It may look just like what we're expecting to find. But within it, is a time bomb meant to blow up in our faces.

Jim Garrison knew the feeling. He had his case against Clay Shaw blow up because of the cross-examination of Charles Spiesel, a New York accountant he'd belatedly added to his witness list. Spiesel testified he had heard Shaw and David Ferrie discuss the possible assassination of John F Kennedy. When the Chief Defense Counsel rose, he "uncannily" knew to destroy Spiesel's credibility, and Garrison's, by probing him about mind control. Spiesel complained that "hypnosis and psychological warfare" had been used on him, and he had been mentally tortured by the NYPD. And who knows: Spiesel could have been a mind control subject, but it wouldn't have mattered. (This was still years before the declassification, such as it was, of MK-ULTRA.) In the eyes of the jury his testimony was rendered worthless.

In On the Trail of the Assassins, Garrison writes:

For one very long moment, while I am sure that my face revealed no concern, I was swept by a feeling of nausea. I realized that the clandestine operation of the opposition was so cynical, so sophisticated, and, at the same time, so subtle, that destroying an old-fashioned state jury trial was very much like shooting a fish in a barrel with a shotgun.

Most of us, I think, are good-hearted people who are alive to this material because we recognize injustice and mean for it to end. That can be our strength, but it can also find hobbling expression in naive thinking. I believe on this side we could do with some healthy cynicism, sophistication and subtly of our own. Maybe it could rescue some credibility. Save lives, even.

I think of Gary Caradori, Chief Investigator for the Nebraska Legislature's Franklin committee, calling Senator Loran Schmit and exclaiming "We've got them! There's no way they can get out of it now!" He was returning from Chicago with photographic evidence of Lawrence King's elite paedophile ring. Schmit took another phone call a short while later, which informed him that Caradori had died in the crash of his small plane. His evidence was never recovered.

We want to get them, but let's never again say "There's no way they can get out of it now." Let's think several steps ahead, because they do. And when the bad guys shoot fish in a barrel, usually we're the fish. So we'd better be thinking outside the barrel."

Whoever wrote that, certainly knows how to frame an argument!

9/05/2006 07:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, add the Gary Caradori "murder by airplane" issue (with his young son in the plane; Gary was worried about being murdered he said right before he took that flight. And adding the Rothstein 'admittal,' or whatever you wish to call it, to the Franklin Case makes this whole collective blog an excellent summary I think overall.

To see these same "usual suspects" and their network organizing something different, a good troubling read is The Octopus: The Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casalaro.

And more synchronicity, Amazon.com says this book is "better together" with the DeCamp Franklin Cover-up book!

I thought of The Octopus book before I even wanted to look up the cross link for this post! Seems others are putting two and two together in aggregate everywhere, and that is effected in the way Amazon.com computer system grouped these two books based on that!

Moreover, like the Nebraskan state invesigator's murder-by-airplane of Gary Caradori as he delved into one tentacle, another suspicious whole series of deaths of multiple other investigator "fish in the barrel" researchers researching another tentacle was the murder of Danny Casalaro (murdered in his hotel, while travelling on getting interviews for the story), followed by the murder of Jim Keith (continuing Gary Caradori's work, reaching completion, and then he dies of a strange bacteria invection that takes over his whole body, during a routine knee operation...) The Octopus's potential 'outer' regardless of the tentacle they were chewing on was Nebraskan Gary Caradori (dead; researching the Franklin Satanic pedophilia tentacle), or authors Danny Casalaro and Jim Keith (both dead, book topic finished from their collective notes by Kenn Thomas). They were going to reach each other and meet in their "separate" strands of research...

I've read The Octopus book, and it could be described as a flip side to the whole Franklin Case, though to cut (and paste) to the chase, in review excerpts noted there:

"This delves into Danny Casolaro's [not Gary Caradori, though it traces back similarly...] investigation of the U.S. Justice Department's apparent crooked dealings with Inslaw, the software company that developed the spy software, PROMIS, for Justice under an agreement in which Inslaw apparently retained all proprietary rights to PROMIS. Justice reneged on paying Inslaw, yet PROMIS turned up illegally at other government agencies and foreign governments. This opened a Pandora's box...what Winston Churchill called the High Cabal and Casolaro dubbed the Octopus; a handful of arrogant self-appointed aristocrats who are determined to force upon mankind the New World Order that madmen like Adolf Hitler and George H.W. Bush have raved about for centuries; a world government controlled by these elitists; one without constitutional rights. These murderous zealots stop at nothing to achieve their objectives."

...

"Kenn and Jim's magnum opus. (RIP, beloved friend to humankind.) This book is as scary as they come, and stranger than fiction. As a conspiracy writer, I found myself shaking while reading it. THEY are real, and THEY can do and have done horrifying things. The Octopus is the Matrix vivified. This book is especially important for anyone who still naively believes "there are no conspiracies." The word "conspiracy" means "to breathe together." Only two people are needed to make a conspiracy, and this book will leave you breathless. Danny Casolaro is a heroic figure who bravely and, perhaps, foolhardily attempted to foil the Octopus, whose tendons reach into the most intimate parts of all our lives. He should never be forgotten. Thank goodness for the valiant likes of Kenn Thomas and Jim Keith for telling his story. Movie studios should be clamoring for this highly untold story - but they are no doubt part of the Octopus. Danny, Kenn and Jim should be lauded for their audacity and courage in bringing forth this treacherous tale of murder and mayhem. Such valor is akin to that of Gary Webb in his expose of CIA drug-dealing."

Of course Gary Webb is yet another murdered investigator of yet another tentacle of the same Octopus..., the drug lording global monopoly tentacle--like the computer fraud/global global surveillance tentacle; like the Satanic pedophilia/MKULTRA tenticle. The same "Octopus" or "High Cabal" or whatever you want to call it--it does all link up in personnel in these areas.

"If you learn nothing else after reading this book, at least take home the following: striking a nerve in the government is a surefire way to make an exit the way it's done in Shakespeare: all the characters are surrounded by pools of blood and no longer breathing. In fact, while reading "The Octopus," I felt the act of turning each page was putting me more and more in danger, especially given that the original author of "Octopus," Danny Casolaro, died suspiciously while compiling notes for the book -- the coroner ruled his death suicide but when the family sought their own investigation, they found his body had already been illegally embalmed. And an editor for this book based on Casolaro's notes, Jim Keith, died suspiciously as well--on the operating table during routine knee surgery, with a rare bacteria working through his system."

In other words, why be satisfied looking at one tenacle of the global Octopus in the Franklin Case, or only caring that Paul Bonacci wins a $1 million lawsuit in 1999 against Larry King, the former head of the Franklin Credit Union in Nebraska, whom he claimed forced him into the pedophile ring. The federal judge ruled Bonacci was truthful in his testimony, which included his claim that he was one of several young male prostitutes known to have toured the Reagan and Bush Senior White House in the 1980s. Though elite pedophilia, intelligence services organizations running global child sex trafficking, Bohemian Grove as a child sex and snuff film soundstage intersecting with MKULTRA mind control is just one tentacle.

Why stop there?

Tie togther these personnel of Franklin Satanic pedophilia, MKULTRA, global surveillance (PROMIS software thefts and their alterations that continue to the present which had 9-11 connections according to Mr. Andrew Grove--they may kill him yet, they certainly tried already), and international drug running and money laundering all back to the same Octopus.

Once you know the characters running simultaneous different plays, you can predict who you will meet down any "rabbithole" you may care to take--where you will always meet the same White Rabbit...

9/05/2006 08:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Remember what the dormouse said:
"Feed your head. Feed your head. Feed your head"

9/05/2006 08:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course Gary Webb is yet another murdered investigator of yet another tentacle of the same Octopus...

The Webb Death is a conundrum (as many know), with a seeming abundance of proof for a suicide, up against the nature of his investigations and curiosities surrounding his death.

(---gory image advisory---)

The coroner's report says Webb shot himself twice, to the side of the head (or back of it, depending on the source) from a .38 revolver.
(Initially the on-scene investigators thought he was shot with a shotgun, so mangled was his head. If the recovered pistol was the weapon, it would have taken two shots to do the damage, with "the first shot blowing his lower jaw out".)

To show what's curious about this, put your index finger to the side of your head like a gun and note the trajectory. Then point toward your lower jaw.

Seems un-natural to me. That and the two-shot thing, which is obviously bizarre...

9/05/2006 10:52:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

A little googling suggests that Des Moines has long been a hotbed of butter cows (although apparently not the point of origination) and remains butter cow central even today. I think we may be onto something significant here...

EVERYTHING YOU EVER COULD WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE STATE FAIR BUTTER COW BUT WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT TO ASK

Butter sculpture has been a part of the Iowa State Fair and other exhibitions for nearly a century, and maybe more.

The first butter cow in Iowa appears to have been sculpted in 1910. The first known specific mention of a butter cow at the fair was in the Des Moines Evening Tribune, Aug. 23, 1911:

The Beatrice Creamery company have arranged with Daniels, the sculptor, for an entirely new and novel display of butter in the glass refrigerator. This feature of the fair has always attracted a lot of attention. The full sized cow made up of butter was much admired last year. . . .

Traditionally, butter was not the only food product used as a medium for sculpture at the fair. Lard sculpture was also a fixture for many years, usually sponsored by the National Live Stock and Meat Board. Butter sculpture began as a promotion by the Beatrice Creamery Company, a local Nebraska dairy that grew to dominate much of the Midwest. The dairy was eventually bought by ConAgra.


Link

9/06/2006 12:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Webb was murdered. Of course they're going to have a cover story. Though if you fall for "two shot suicides" that are unable to come from the (planted?) gun (or if real gun, see below, the planted "gun story" only that seemed to be a revision hand delivered to the press by only Ruppert, Inc., interestingly enough], I suggest you would have to consider the Alan Dulles' driven Warren Commission as "authoritative."

Several Gary Web loose ends here:

Title: Was Gary Webb 'Suicided' To Kill New Book on Mossad's South American Drug Running?
Date: 2004.12.27 01:51
Description: ...recollected conversation between Jon Roland and Gary Webb about this very subject: the possibility of Webb's being "suicided", ***where Webb confirms that if he's found dead it would never be a suicide.*** --- In case you're wondering who Jon Roland is, he's a constitutional reporter; he's also the founder and webmaster at www.constitution.org. I called Jon to clarify the details around the revealing email he had sent out to various listserv groups, shortly after Webb's death. When I spoke with Mr. Roland, I asked him approximately when he had this conversation with Webb. Jon said, "after the Mercury articles were written, and Gary had been living in Sacramento 3 or 4 months." Jon also reiterated that Gary had a cache of evidence, left over from his writings that had never been published, which made him concerned for Gary's life. --- To summarize: allegations are made that Webb was working on a new book exposing the hidden Jewish [organized crime] element that is the controlling factor behind drug trafficking in South America. [This is additionally revealed in such completely different perspective books like Barry and the Boys: The CIA, the Mob, and America's Secret History, by Hopsicker [recently republished--though Amazon.com pretends it is still unavailable, interesting...; get it directly from madcowprod.com], and the same thing in EIR's Dope, Inc. Apparently, a huge drug war in South America is about to erupt. It's characterized as a massive power grab against South American Jewish-drug-lords. The prize is control over the illicit $50 billion cocaine and marijuana market. --- Where the hell are Gary's papers and research documents, evidence, etc.? I've heard nothing about them from the mainstream stenographers - have you? --- The ***DEA raided the office of the literary agent who was helping Gary get a book contract.*** Shortly before we met, one of Gary's associates had been run off the road by a military vehicle in Nicaragua. So now we have even more testimony that Gary was aware of the possibility of being "suicided", and that he was concerned not just for himself, but also for his sources. --- I think Gary was smart enough to have stashed a copy or copies of his manuscript somewhere safe.

Other loose ends:

How convincing is this statement:

Coroner Robert Lyons said his office had been swamped with calls. "It's unusual in a suicide case to have two shots," he said, "but it has been done in the past, and it is in fact a distinct possibility."

This milquetoast declaration sounds like the pathetic utterance of someone who's trying to cover his career ass, all the while crossing his fingers behind his back. Maybe - just maybe, it's also indicative of someone who wants to keep his own life intact. I'd say it's a distinct possibility!

...

Mr. Lyons pronouncement about a distinct possibility of suicide, not even PROBABILITY, should be enough of a RED FLAG to convince even the true believers that something is rotten in Sacramento. If Gary Webb committed suicide with 2 shots to the head via a .38 caliber pistol, then I've got a nice condo to sell you in Fallujah!

But wait, there's more compelling evidence to refute the lie that what we have here is a suicide. And it looks a lot like cotton candy all spin and mostly hot air evidence.

Once you bite into it you realize it's a bundle of perception control, mostly innuendo, or black magic designed to conjure a pre-determined picture in your mind, in order to reinforce the BIG lie. Then there's the issue of 2 shots to the head with a .38 caliber pistol.

Shouldn't that fact alone trigger an investigation into a POSSIBLE homicide and an independent autopsy?


And I haven't even mentioned the inconsistent reporting about Gary's wounds/wound and purported weapon he allegedly used to kill himself.

A quick reiteration of the official obituary waffle is as follows: reported first, a suicide with multiple wounds to the head, then a suicide with a wound to the head, then there's a speculated shotgun wound to the face, [inserted by questionable rogue] by Mike Ruppert, because of a verbal report, given to Ruppert [and no one else?] from the coroner's office implying that Webb's face was beyond recognition.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/121304_gary_webb.shtml,

and finally 2 wounds to the head with a .38 caliber revolver.

Incidentally his gun was kept in the nightstand next to his bed. It was his Dad's gun. Nice touch of detail here. But what does it tell us? Maybe, Gary was concerned, because he had been the recipient of death threats? Maybe that's the REAL reason he had a gun in a drawer next to his bed. According to an informative and revealing article /audio segment, on Alex Jone's Prison Planet website, Gary did indeed have something to be very worried about:

Ricky Ross, one of Gary Webb's primary sources had spoken to Gary in the days before his death. Gary told Ricky that he had seen men scaling down the pipes outside his home and that they were obviously not burglars but 'government people'.

Gary also told Ricky that he had been receiving death threats and was being regularly followed.

It was also mentioned that Gary was working on a new story concerning the CIA and drug trafficking. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2004/141204webbmurdered.htm

Moreover, why was there so much confusion about the method and number of wounds? Was it that difficult to sort out? Or was something else going-on? I really liked the potshot in the final obituary about the feverish conspiracy theorists on the internet who had been calling the coroner's office, demanding to know the number of wounds Webb ACTUALLY sustained.

Now trying to determine factual details based on confused reports makes you a conspiracy theorist.

...

Don't you find it odd that there's no mention of the FACT that Gary had powerful enemies in HIGH places. But we are told that Gary was a failed investigative journalist who let the public down, by inflating and inventing facts, while jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions. We read over and over again that he was rightfully demoted, had no credibility in mainstream circles, and couldn't get a job at a major newspaper to save his sorry life because he was damaged goods. This is the mantra of the mainstream media repeated ad-nausea. The character assassination is a nice complement to the actual assassination--don't you think?

The primary reason we are to believe Gary Webb committed suicide is, because he is characterized as having been distraught. As a former psychotherapist, I can assure you DISTRAUGHT doesn't = SUICIDAL! And I might add unequivocally, THAT CLINICALLY DEPRESSED/SUICIDAL PEOPLE ARE VERY UNLIKELY TO MAKE FUTURE PLANS THAT INCLUDE selling their homes and making MAJOR MOVES while in a depressed/suicidal state.

Let's examine a sampling of the laundry list of reasons, given by the powers that be, to persuade us that Gary Webb's death was a shut and closed case of suicide.

...


9. We're told Gary was so concerned about the movers who would inevitably find his bloody corpse; he thoughtfully left them a note on the outside door warning them not to enter. "A Better Moving Company" is the name of the moving Company that came to Webb's house that fateful morning and found that odd note posted on his door: "Please do not enter...call 911 and ask for an ambulance." Why an ambulance if he planned to KILL himself? And how strange that he didn't call the movers earlier in the evening or later in the day to cancel said move (due to illness, for example) via the phone. Why the dramatic [fake] note? Well, have you ever thought of the POSSIBILITY that if the moving company were involved in 'offing' Gary the perfect way to avoid scrutiny or being investigated would be for said moving company to find the note on the door---- instead of finding the body in the house on the floor. As we all know from the movies when someone finds a dead body they become entangled in the investigation. In this case, that would be avoided because of the NOTE. We also have to ask WHY was Gary that concerned about the movers and the post-traumatic stress that they might have been subjected to? The note to the movers [to make police unsuspicious of them, and give the movers an alibi] is bizarre to say the least!

http://www.moverreviews.com/Ratings/132.asp

But there's more.

What a coincidence that this moving company has a nefarious operating profile (based on the above link) that is reminiscent, in some ways, of the notorious Israeli connected companies that have recently been coming under legal scrutiny.

My point isn't that the any Israelis were involved, but that moving companies can easily be used as fronts for intelligence operations.

How easy would it have been for a moving company (person/s) to case Webb's home under the guise of a price quote, and or packing his belongings pre-move, in order to set him-up to be whacked?

The hit guy(s) could have been waiting for him when he returned home from his relatively NEW reporter's job -- at the Sacramento News and Review. Do you think it's possible someone who didn't have Gary's best interest at heart could have recommended this shady moving company. How easy would it have been for someone connected with the moving company to make sure an obscure window was unlocked... for example? Of course, this is just speculation. If I were an investigator, I'd definitely find out all the details about the moving company, and how Mr. Webb found this particular moving company. Who was scheduled to move him and who had been to his house? Finally, I'd want to know if Gary had a girlfriend and if they were planning on living together in his new home. At least let's find out if Gary was dating anyone on a steady basis and get her assessment of the situation. After all, he was a very attractive man.

10. There's this quote from the San Jose Mercury News from a former colleague of Gary's: "I'm still in a state of shock," said Tom Dresslar, who works as a spokesman for California Attorney General Bill Lockyer and had known Mr. Webb for 15 years.

"He was a hard-core, no-fear investigative reporter," Dresslar said. "He wasn't afraid to stand up to whatever authority."
There you have it: Gary Webb a fearless reporter, for the PEOPLE, who against all odds would stand up to authority, to the ELITES in order to serve a greater master the TRUTH! We demand an independent autopsy and homicidal investigation into the "DISTINCT POSSIBILITY" that Gary Webb was MURDERED.

The way I see it we have at least 4 smoking guns:

1. Two shots to the head

2. Gary had received alleged death threats and had complained of recent break-ins by government agents

3. Allegedly Gary was involved in working on a new story about the CIA and drug trafficking.

4. Gary threatened to systemically expose the drug war for the Trojan Horse that it is, thereby provoking the wrath of the Elites and the CIA. He would not be intimidated. He kept on doing what he did so well, and what he loved so much: investigative journalism.

We owe it to ourselves, to Gary Webb, and to all truth seekers, to get behind Alex Jones and his courageous DEMAND for a full and independent investigation of Webb's suspicious death, including an autopsy of his body, before his ashes wind up in an urn on a fireplace mantle in Langley, Virginia.

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There have been so many reporters, and insiders who where about to testify on someone, or do a good report, or come forward, and then they were Suicided, or dead by accident. It is disgusting that the public can not see it.

During the Iran Contra mess there were dead witnesses, dead reporters and fired reporters. In the Christic institute legal action(1985-1989), there were the same numbers, All the Kennedy witnesses, and others were the same.. Etc.

With the new death of Gary, It is likely related to the new CIA head, Porter Goss. [Porter Goss, Yale University undergrad, secret society of Scroll and Key, is intimately connected with "Bush government" drug running, says Barry and the Boys.]

Congresswoman Waters who was close to Gary and his inquiries, Ms. Wasters, had just written a Dear Colleague letter to the Congress rejecting the Goss appointment.

Her letter may have been generated by new investigative writings by Gary. I had discovered Goss as related to the Iran Contra and even possibly the Kennedy mess, years ago when I was a Christic Witness, and later as a candidate in Florida, for Congress (1990).

I did a report in 1996/97 on drug connected officials, it is on video. I did it at the request of Waters and Sonny Bono.

Sonny got back to me, about Dec 21, after reviewing the report. He asked if I would help in a major investigation that he would initiate as soon as the Christmas Holidays were over.

I said I would be glad to work with them, He was dead 10 days later.


The investigations never happened.

I retrieved his autopsy after six months of pursuit. He did not die from a tree collision..

Those folks, like myself, who chased these bad guys in Government, for 20 years, and where called conspiracy nuts find the daily news reports irritating to say the least.

The Bad guys continue to take over America, and kill the ones who may interfere.

God bless Gary Webb, and the thousands who went before him.

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[Gary Webb, whose explosive 1996 ''Dark Alliance'' series in the San Jose Mercury News alleged CIA complicity in the Los Angeles crack epidemic, says, ''Mike [Ruppert] is a real conundrum. I think he's a sincere guy, concerned about the right things, and he was quite supportive of my efforts to expose the interplay between the CIA and drug traffickers. But he's also written stories expounding a theory about the genesis of my Mercury News series that were, quite frankly, [intentionally misleading and] ridiculous.'']

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/306590.shtml

And Ruppert showing his "gatekeeping troll/spy/invesigator" role once more butting in to provide a badgering authoritative construct. That's what Ruppert seems to be more and more to me.

The below is another little window in Ruppert's modus operandi...or whoever he really works for to create unsubstantiated divisiveness.

quote:

Alex Jones' Rebuttal To Allegations Made By Michael Ruppert Concerning Gary Webb's Death
author: Alex Jones
Ruppert's article is so vicious in its scope that it makes us out to be literal demons for simply questioning the circumstances surrounding Gary Webb's death... We will continue to push for a full homicide investigation and keep our eyes and ears open for any new evidence concerning the tragic death of Gary Webb.

Prison Planet | December 21 2004

An article written by Michael Ruppert concerning the funeral of Gary Webb contained a number of allegations directed towards Alex Jones. Here is our response to those allegations.

HISTORY

1) Firstly it is important to note our past experience with Mike Ruppert. In March 2003 Mike Ruppert stated that he had "indirectly confronted" Alex Jones over "outright fabrications regarding Patriot Act II." Alex Jones has never heard from Mike Ruppert on this issue nor has he been contacted by anyone else who heard or saw Ruppert in speech or print "indirectly confront" Alex over his analysis of Patriot Act II. The analysis of the Patriot Act II

(available at http://www.infowars.com/print_patriotact2_analysis.htm)

has been seconded by hundreds of newspapers and government watchdog groups. It won second place at the Project Censored Awards for 2004 out of 25 places.

Ruppert also made the implication that Alex was a racist by taking Alex's comments out of context. Ruppert highlighted a discussion during an interview with lawyer Stanley Hilton. Alex was attacking racist white America rather than promoting it. As the following quote proves,

Caller: "They're going after the Arabs now, but next, next it's going to be, guess what? The white people."

Stanley Hilton: "Yeah well the Arabs are not really Muslim fanatics as is presented, as I said earlier from the eyewitnesses, these people are more interested in Playboy than the Koran."

Alex Jones: "Well let me just say this, I don't come up with this comment out of nowhere. I look at the FBI training manuals, I have them on tape, I have them on video. When I say 'white people' I want racist white America that goes 'oh yeah, Bush, kill them Arabs, kill them.'...you know, it's acceptable to have radio promos where it goes 'look at them camels run, look at them ragheads' - that's on national radio - that type of racism is acceptable and I think it's disgusting."

Listen to the interview for yourself here.

Ruppert also labelled Stanley Hilton to be anti-Semitic despite the fact that Hilton had previously defended a Jewish San Quentin prison guard who filed an anti-Semitism suit against his prison.

The full details of this are posted here.

2) Ruppert states,

"Many credible activists and journalists - including this writer [gotta love how Ruppert cites himself!] - have been previously burned by Jones' hyperbole, salacious sensationalism and eagerness to play loose with and even fabricate facts in the past. But this travesty is beyond the pale; beyond redemption."

Mike Ruppert was a regular guest on Alex Jones' show until he vehemently attacked Alex and implied he was a racist as is detailed above. Alex, known for refusing to in-fight, tried to act like a gentlemen in that, while being baffled at the fact that Ruppert had suddenly turned on him, he quietly stopped contacting Ruppert and didn't have him on as a guest again. How and when Alex 'burned' Ruppert is incomprehensible to Alex. The only attacks have been coming from Ruppert's direction. Alex doesn't even think about Ruppert and barely even checks his website once a month.

Before Ruppert's first attack Alex respected Mike to the point that Mike told Alex not to interview Delmart Vreeland because he was a likely disinfo agent. Alex took Mike's advice but was subsequently baffled to see Mike run a six month investigation of Vreeland where he advocated his evidence as factual. [only the "Mike vetted version" of the Vreeland story had to be spun, in other words.]

GARY WEBB

3) Ruppert states,

"Jones has a large syndicated and internet radio show for which he claims a listening audience of "millions". Strange that he could not reach out into his vast empire to have someone in the Sacramento area check just a few facts before he published and sent his garbage out straight to Webb's family."

Firstly, at no point did Alex Jones or any of his staff send any material, be it printed or otherwise, to any family member of Gary Webb. This is an outright falsehood. In actual fact Ruppert admits to handing material to Webb's family himself! This reminds us of an old Marxist intimidation tactic, accuse others of what you do.

If Ruppert cares so much about hurting the family's feelings, and believes that this information would do so, why is he personally handing it to them and then wrongly accusing us of doing the same? He states this in the same article; does he think we wouldn't notice it?

Alex is known for not attacking other people. Unlike Ruppert, he has no history of doing so. And yet the sheer venom of Ruppert's article implies that we're psychologically stomping on widows and grieving family members.

Secondly, as soon as Alex Jones learned of Gary Webb's death the first people he contacted were his sources who knew Gary Webb, Cele Castillo, Ricky Ross and Chico Brown. Alex took the obvious first step of contacting those who may have known whether Webb was likely to have committed suicide.

Ruppert implies that Alex sits in an armchair all day making up stories. Alex is known nationally for his bold physical activism. Alex has infiltrated Bohemian Grove, been arrested on the order of George W. Bush, attended Urban Warfare drills, helped build a memorial church for those that died at Waco, and helped build a veteran a new home in Texas. Alex has appeared on 20/20, Good Morning America, Court TV, 60 Minutes, Vanity Fair, Jay Leno, UK Channel 4, BBC, Sky One, USA Today, Wall Street Journal, Time Magazine, New York Times, Washington Post etc etc. We only list these names because Ruppert likes to brag how big he is and marginalizes us as internet trailer trash. Talk about stereotypes, is everyone from Texas trailer trash?

Alex Jones was the first to talk about government involvement in the 9/11 attacks. He broke the news two months before the attack even happened. He is recognized by many to be the grandfather of the 9/11 research movement which makes him a routine target of the establishment.

4) Ruppert lambasts the questioning the notion that Gary Webb shot himself in the head twice. Whether or not you believe it is plausible that a man can shoot himself in the head twice the fact is that Gary Webb's work had made him a target of many vengeful individuals in high places. Therefore it is prudent to simply ask the question and not just blindly accept the official [Ruppert rubberstamped government press release] version of events. Who wouldn't ask questions? If Alex Jones or the majority of people who are in this dangerous field were killed in similar circumstances we would expect the same questions to be asked. Police routinely conduct homicide investigations if only to rule out foul play. We do not feel that it is an insult to Gary Webb's family members to raise questions as to the true cause of his death. In one of our articles we highlighted a case in 2001 where the verdict was changed from suicide to murder after detectives and coroners concluded that a woman had been shot in the head twice.

5) Original reports suggested Gary Webb had used a shotgun to kill himself. Ruppert says that the clarification [sic] that a handgun was used came partly as a result of "the hysterical rumor mongering and unbridled publishing coming from the activist-progressive community." [And it was Ruppert who was once more the venue thorugh which the government aired this next story, NOTE.] And yet in the same paragraph Ruppert himself admits that he had suspected a shotgun was used. Our original contention that a shotgun was used came from Ruppert via Cele Castillo! So Ruppert was our source for the shotgun story! And for that we apologize!

6) In his article Ruppert states that this website had carried a headline which read "CORONER's INITIAL FINDING: GARY WEBB's DEATH CONFIRMED AS SUICIDE / NEW EVIDENCE BEGINS TO INDICATE GARY WEBB WAS MURDERED MOST LIKELY CIA OPERATIVES HE WAS GETTING READY TO EXPOSE AGAIN / WEBB SPOKE OF DEATH THREATS AND SEEING 'GOVERNMENT PEOPLE' LURKING AROUND HIS HOME / WAS HE ANOTHER DANNY CASOLERO?! - by Alex Jones & Paul Joseph Watson."

In no instance did we use this as a complete headline. In no instance did we use the lines "MOST LIKELY CIA OPERATIVES HE WAS GETTING READY TO EXPOSE AGAIN" or "WAS HE ANOTHER DANNY CASOLERO?!"

Ruppert's next attack is to claim our ignorance by the fact that we can't even spell Danny Casolaro.

The only articles which appeared on our website which mentioned Danny Casolaro were from other websites, and the links are clearly there to indicate this, check through our archived headlines to verify this or Google cache. In the page snapshot Ruppert links to, no mention is made of Danny Casolaro. [THOUGH IT'S DAMN SURE IT WAS SOMEHOW ON RUPPERT' MIND, WHY? Ruppert attempts to rubberstamp both the official "double suicides" of Casalaro and Webb by pre-attacking anyone to make a suggestion of a link!--so there's a link: though it was Ruppert who started sweating about the link.]

We carry articles every day from newspapers around the world. In every case, the source is clearly stated; we do not claim to have written every article we post on the website.

Again, this is a result of total fabrication or error on Ruppert's part. Again and again in the article Ruppert lauds himself as the paragon of research and journalistic integrity and yet he has made reference to something which wasn't even written by us.


He combines four different headlines from four different stories, and puts our name on the bottom of it. He has to know what he's doing or it's the creme de la creme of sloppiness.

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[What is fascinating is that Ruppert disinformationalist and professional divisive attack poodle extrordinare--is subconsciously sweating over anyone even bringing up Danny Casalero in relation to Gary Webb--when Jones didn't even mention it! Note that Ruppert was sweating over people making this innate connection between Octopus tentacle of the software database and global surveillance "intentional security holes" scandal (aka Danny Casalero's investigation, and soon, his murder) with the tentacle of something "unrelated" to that, CIA/DEA/NSA drug running (Gary Webb's expertise from the ground up from L.A. to Latin America, and his most assured murder).

Why Iron Mike Ruppert pre-emptively badgers people and "warns them not to make such connections" is even more telling that the whole more recent updated soap opera Ruppert melodrama of hiding in the spotlight is a contination of attempts to steal and guide the limelight--because making the limelight follow you is the way to darken others.]


Mike Ruppert's Harrowing and Heroic Flight to Freedom (or Flight from Justice, or Reassignment, or Whatever the Case May Be)

by David McGowan
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr84.html

9/06/2006 12:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THE OTHER TENTACLE: "SELLING PEAK OIL"

Better to get this up front into the light as well: there is one more tentacle of the same players in the Bush Admin that even rigint discusses here, though decided on the Ruppert side of things with a scarcity of the typical "rigorous intuition" acumen noted on almost every other post. Bear with me here. This is important.

This tentacle traces back to the same people once more, though perhaps is more insidious than the rest, if you can believe it: Throw in this other "tentacle" to the Octopus concerning the fake "power down, sorry, closing time" aspects of the original arguments of “Peak Oil” which historically come from the very same Nazi WWII collaborationists and eugenics/depopulatists--Peak Oil is the lateest corporate greenwash legitimation storyline for their long aborted plans combining eugenics and population control under the rubric of an artificially socially generated oil scarcity organized by international corporate CEOs.

Evidence follows.

They are attempting to shut it off for political goals of control, as others like Greg Palast note, once they get a handle on the whole world's reserves...

Title: Keeping Iraq's Oil in the Ground, Since 1927: Did U.S. invade to tap oil or to sit on it?
Author: the extra $89 billion a year question
Date: 2006.06.14 10:28
Description: Detailed history of administrating the price of oil with some extra comments. Instead of pumping it, what is key is making money off it which can be completely opposed to pumping it as the case may be...This is an excerpt from Palast's lastest book of investigative journalism, _Armed Madhouse, with extra comments to some previous IMC links. Palast writes: "The oil majors had a better use for Iraq's oil than drilling it--not drilling it. The oil bigs had bought Iraq's concession to seal it up and keep it off the market. To please his buyers' wishes, Mr. 5% spread out a big map of the Middle East on the floor of a hotel room in Belgium and drew a thick red line around the gulf oil fields, centered on Iraq. All the oil company executives, gathered in the hotel room, signed their name on the red line -- vowing not to drill, except as a group, within the red-lined zone. No one, therefore, had an incentive to cheat and take red-lined oil. All of Iraq's oil, sequestered by all, was locked in, and all signers would enjoy a lift in worldwide prices....This systematic suppression of Iraq's production, begun in 1927, has never ceased."

Palast goes on to demonstrate that the invasion in the 1950s in the interests of Anglo-Persian oil company by MI5 and CIA's Kermit Roosevelt tag teaming there, was hardly to "get control back of pumping oil." The threat was this:

Did Dick Cheney send us in to seize the last dwindling supplies? Unlikely. Our world's petroleum reserves have doubled in just twenty-five years -- and it is in Shell's and the rest of the industry's interest that this doubling doesn't happen again. The neo-cons were hell-bent on raising Iraq's oil production. Big Oil's interest was in suppressing production, that is, keeping Iraq to its OPEC quota or less. This raises the question, did the petroleum industry, which had a direct, if hidden, hand, in promoting invasion, cheerlead for a takeover of Iraq to prevent overproduction?

[Mr. Tom White, "formerly" a high executive of Enron, was inserted into the war planning for the Iraq invasion by the way, in the Pentagon. Cheney planned energy policy in 2002 in hand with where the IRAQI oil reserve maps--interesting since of course it was off limits to U.S. corporate oil then--until post March 2003 invasion that is. That's a smoking gun there. He additionally held in his cards a lengthy crib sheet of all the different international corporations interested in Iraqi oil in 2002, according to the few documents released through Judicial Watch's FOIA filing on the highly secretive corporatist planning for future energy policy in 2002. Thus, long before the Iraq invasion, Cheney was planning in 2002 on having some sort of control over then off limits Iraq oil--and keeping other international corp's out.]

First, keep in mind they have already had 70 plus years of intentionally sitting on oil to keep it in the ground, so this is hardly a novel policy they are attempting to shut the whole thing off. It's simply a question of scale of expansion of their previous endeavors. However, instead of simply holding only Iraqis oil in the ground, they want to hold U.S., Saudi, Venezuelan, Mexican, and Russian oil in the ground as well simultaneously. Then they will call it "Peak Oil." Hee hee. Links below.

Palast writes on the point of oil corporations to shut off oil instead of pump it:

"It wouldn't be the first time. If oil is what we're looking for, there are, indeed, extra helpings in Iraq. On paper, Iraq, at 112 billion proven barrels, has the second largest reserves in OPEC after Saudi Arabia. [Well, actually there is the huge U.S. Alaskan oil reserve kept secret and undrilled to keep the price up, way up, way up in areas of Alaska: http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/09/325263.shtml?discuss [heavily trolled article comments, beware, though great Texaco documents on their concern of "too much oil, cuts into high prices" instead of "too little oil".]

...

The following was written three decades ago:

Although its original concession of March 14, 1925, covered all of Iraq, the Iraq Petroleum Co., under the owner- ship of BP (23.75%), Shell (23.75%), CFP [of France] (23.75%), Exxon (11.85%), Mobil (11.85%), and [Calouste] Gulbenkian (5.0%), limited its production to fields constituting only one-half of 1 percent of the country's total area. During the Great Depression, the world was awash with oil and greater output from Iraq would simply have driven the price down to even lower levels.

Plus ça change...

When the British Foreign Office fretted that locking up oil would stoke local nationalist anger, BP-IPC agreed privately to pretend to drill lots of wells, but make them absurdly shallow and place them where, wrote a company manager, "there was no danger of striking oil." This systematic suppression of Iraq's production, begun in 1927, has never ceased.

In the early 1960s, Iraq's frustration with the British-led oil consortium's failure to pump pushed the nation to cancel the BP-Shell-Exxon concession and seize the oil fields. Britain was ready to strangle Baghdad, but a cooler, wiser man in the White House, John F. Kennedy, told the Brits to back off. President Kennedy refused to call Iraq's seizure an "expropriation" akin to Castro's seizure of U.S.-owned banana plantations. Kennedy's view was that Anglo-American companies had it coming to them because they had refused to honor their legal commitment to drill.

Close quote.

Expand this strategy to about a dozen countries simultaneously, seventy years later.

Once they get a handle on the world's oil reserves, then they will blame “Peak Oil, sorry closing, time.”

The disruption however will be entirely of their own design if they can wing it--and you can bet they will attempt it. Follow the links, metaphorically as well as hypertextually here:

The same Iron Mike Ruppert performing admirably as snapping poodle against Alex Jones--by rubberstamping government ever-changing "Mike Ruppert exclusive" stories of Gary Webb, additionally played snapping poodle against David McGowan and the greater weight of evidence the oil is abiotic in origin--which you can read for yourself in the book The Deep Hot Biosphere or various summaries of the whole context at McGowans site.

Listen to oil scientists/geologists themselves who call biotic oil a "baseless" theory:

"Natural Petroleum: NO Connection With Biological Matter; abiotic oil noted by oil industry,: published by peer reviewed Energia, in 2001. Seems oil industry publications up to four years ago got around to exposing the intermixed depopulation/artificial high-price structure of the oil market, as an energy scam on their own! Good for them. However, of coruse in a society run by spin, that's about the time when people began to trumpet the unscientific peak oil concept... Published in Energia, 2001, 22/3, 26-34. "The claims which have traditionally been put forward to argue a connection between natural petroleum and biological matter have been subjected to scientific scrutiny and have been established to be baseless." http://www.gasresources.net/DisposalBioClaims.htm
or here.

Though don't dare listen to oil geologists who know what they are talking about (sarcasm), listen to the damn U.S. Academy of Sciences talking the same thing:

In September, the prestigious Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences published an interesting study by a distinguished group of academics as opposed to the oil industry spokesmen and public relations popular journal campaigns: "We present in situ observations of hydrocarbon formation via carbonate reduction at upper mantle pressures and temperatures. Methane was formed [abiotically] from FeO, CaCO3-calcite, and water at pressures between 5 and 11 GPa and temperatures ranging from 500°C to 1,500°C. The results are shown to be consistent with multiphase thermodynamic calculations based on the statistical mechanics of soft particle mixtures. The study demonstrates THE EXISTENCE OF ABIOGENIC PATHWAYS for the formation of hydrocarbons in the Earth's interior and suggests that the hydrocarbon budget of the bulk Earth may be larger than conventionally assumed."

Moreover, don't dare trust the U.S. Academy of Sciences (sarcasm), listen to a Nobel Prize winner on abiotic pathways.

NOBEL PRIZE WINNER publishes data on Abiotic Pressured Rocks into Methane Hydrocarbons, published in Harvard Magazine, data from professor of the Chemistry department,...research coauthored by Dudley Herschbach, Baird research professor of science and recipient of the 1986 Nobel Prize in chemistry, questions that thinking.

Published last fall in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the study describes how investigators combined three abiotic (non-living) materials -- water (H2O), limestone (CaCO3), and iron oxide (FeO) -- and crushed the mixture together with the same intense pressure found deep below the earth's surface. This process created methane (CH4), the major component of natural gas.

...assertions about methane and oil really caught Herschbach's attention. "He said there wasn't much chance that you could do a laboratory experiment to test this," Herschbach reports. "And I thought, 'Holy smoke! We could do this with the diamond anvil cell.'"

And they did. Poof. Methane.

Interesting comment made on that article by "Old Yooper":

Oil from Graphite 19.Oct.2005 07:19
Old Yooper

I had the oppertunity to tour the now closed White Pine mine in the UP of Michigan. There are hydrocarbons which drip from some fractures witin the mine. The interesting part is thet the host rocks are no less then 1.2 GA, thats Billion Years Old. [i.e., oops for the biotic oil theory...] The layer containing the petroleum grades to graphite and overall is in a moderate to high grade Metamorphic terrain primarily due to the intrusion of the Keweenawan 1.3-1.1 GA Basalts associated with the Mid-Continent Rift Zone.

There have also been finings of potential non-biogenic petroleum from the much older Michigamme Slate on the order of 2.3-2.4 GA. No true age of the actual petroleum has been established, but it is contained in the Upper Penninsula portion of the Superior Province consisting of early Proterazoic volcanica, slates, dolomites, and BIF (Banded Irion Formation), some of the richest Iron formation in the world. Billions of ton's of it has been mined iup there since the 1850's. So we have our three ingredients.

Graphite containing slate - or the carbonate rocks
Plenty of Iron as Oxides and silicates.
Intense heat and pressure due to widespread regional Metamorphism billions of years ago.

Close quote.

Why Mike Ruppert and all who spread the meme of "natural peak biotic oil" took to the airwaves and brainwaves to contrdict peer reviewed oil geologists, the U.S. Academy of Sciences, and Nobel Prize Winners, and 50 years of the Russian oil industry and literally thousands of publications I'll leave up to you to ponder. [Nice picture of Warren Buffett, Arnold Schwartzegger, and Lord Rothschild 2002 meeting photo--before they disappeared inside and refused to talk what Arny and Rothchild could possibly want to discuss--right before Arny was Governator and Lord Protector of Enron in California.]

I'll leave up to you to either get red in the face embarrassed and admit you have been had by U.S./U.K. multinational oil company propoganda, or get red in the face angry and not admit you've been had.

Anyway, my point, as well as McGowan's noted so well at his website on these issues, is why a huge Mockingbird propoganda campaign is creating a "fake consensus reality" about "natural biotic peak oil" to justify their artificial holocaust that they want to take the blame as a scapegoat for them.

That Ruppert took it upon himself to do double duty on everything from promoting "my way or the highway" on everythiing from Gary Webb to the Peak Oil Theory is very interesting.

It's additionally interesting that reserves are only getting larger, according to press reports from Saudi Arabia, until of course "terrorism" has them "recalculate" their numbers down to keep them in line. See McGowan's quote on Saudi Arabia dynamics of this below.


NEWSLETTER #70
October 12, 2004
Beware the 'Peak Oil' Agenda

[Due to recent developments in the 'Peak Oil' scam, I decided to put Act III of the new September 11 series on hold for a couple weeks.]

It has become apparent that many people have misinterpreted my 'Peak Oil' rants. I know this because I get e-mail with messages like, "thanks for giving me hope," and "thanks for changing my view of the future." I am sorry to have to report here that the newfound optimism of some of my readers is entirely unwarranted. After reviewing my past writings, I realize that the fault for this misunderstanding lies with me, since I haven't done a very good job of articulating exactly what my position is.

This, my friends, is the harsh reality, so pay very close attention: the fact that 'Peak Oil' is an entirely manufactured construct does not mean that the doomsday scenarios painted by the 'Peak' crowd will therefore not become our new reality. This is not just another scam to further pad the pockets of the oil industry and other financial elites. The stakes are much higher than that. Much higher.

In order to clarify my position on 'Peak Oil,' it would be instructive to briefly review the areas of agreement, and the areas of disagreement, that I have with those who are selling the scam.

The Peakers claim that 'Peak Oil' is the single most important issue that we are facing today. I agree with that assessment (but not because 'Peak Oil' is a valid concept).

The Peakers claim that much of America's military might has been directed in recent years at conquering the key oil and gas producing regions of the world. And that is obviously quite true. Central Asia and Iraq have been seized, Venezuela has suffered through constant meddling by the CIA, the Sudan has been targeted for a future assault, and Saudi Arabia and Iran have been subjected to saber rattling.

But the Peakers also claim that these military ventures have been motivated by America's desire to seize what will soon be the last drops of the world's precious reserves of oil -- and that is entirely untrue.

The Peakers claim that we will very soon be facing a world where chaos reigns supreme -- a world of war, famine and death on a scale unknown in recorded human history. And that does, in fact, appear to be the case. And we're not talking about the distant future here, folks; we're talking about the very near future.

But the Peakers also claim that this global "die off" will be a regrettable, but quite natural, and entirely unavoidable, consequence of the world's oil taps running dry. And that is the really big lie. That is the lie that will very soon be used to rationalize the killing off of hundreds of millions, possibly billions, of the world's people. There are, you see, simply too many people in the world who, by merely being alive, are standing in the way of the aspirations of the global elite.

The people that the 'Peak Oil' pitchmen are fronting for are deadly serious about selling 'Peak Oil' to the masses -- and not just in theoretical terms, as a cynical ploy to raise prices and increase profits. No, it has become clear that the real goal is to actually cut off most of the world's oil supplies under the ruse that the oil simply no longer exists. The desired result is massive social unrest, widespread famine, and endless war. The majority of the world's people will not survive. Those that do will find themselves living under the overtly authoritarian form of rule that will quickly be deemed necessary to restore order. And if you think that we here in America are exempt, you are sadly mistaken.

In order to pull off this stunt, all the world's major oil producing regions must be solidly under the control of the U.S. and it's co-conspirators, otherwise known as 'allies.' In other words, the puppet-masters have to control all the major oil taps, so that they have complete control over the flow of oil -- or lack of it. And that, in a nutshell, is the real reason for America's recent military ventures. The goal, you see, is not to steal Iraq's oil, or the oil in the 'Stans, or in the Sudan, or in Venezuela, or anywhere else. We don't want to take their oil, because the truth is that we don't really need it (http://www.oilandgasreporter.com/stories/090101/cov_opinions.shtml). What we want to do is sit on the taps so no one else can get to the oil.

The Peakers have claimed that the Central Asian adventure - launched with the invasion of Afghanistan, but certainly not limited to Afghanistan - has largely been a bust. We have all heard the spin: the hoped-for reserves aren't there, what has been found can't be extracted economically, the grand plan simply didn't pan out, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Frankly, I find all of that a little hard to believe. After all, hasn't Central Asia been the subject of intense interest and study by geologists and the petroleum industry for the last century or so? You would think that the lords of oil were operating on more than just a hunch when they drafted this gameplan. And I couldn't help noticing that the United States has established a massive military presence in the area, and it looks very much like it was designed to be a permanent military presence. If the oil and gas aren't there, then what exactly is it that our troops are standing guard over?

At least one researcher has doggedly claimed that the Central Asian and Middle Eastern military ventures are but a prelude to military confrontations with Russia and China. But that hardly seems to be the case. It does not appear as though there is any urgent need for 'regime change' in Russia or China, since the West seems to already have 'friendly' regimes in place in both countries. And I have to add here that if the ruling regimes of Russia and China really are enemies of the United States, they will undoubtedly go down in history as the stupidest enemies of all time for watching approvingly as the United States entrenched its military machine in their backyards on the most transparent of pretexts.

Contrary to conventional wisdom, I believe that the Central Asian adventure has been wildly successful. True, the West hasn't reaped the bounty of the region's oil and gas reserves -- but I don't think that was ever the goal. To the contrary, I think the U.S. has done exactly what it set out to do: deny anyone else the opportunity - by force if necessary, and it will become necessary - to exploit the area's resources.

Also contrary to conventional wisdom, I believe that the Iraq adventure has also been successful. Again, the goal was not to steal Iraqi oil; the goal was to shut down or severely limit the flow of Iraqi oil, and that goal has obviously been accomplished. Indeed, some reports have held that American troops (and American mercenaries) are responsible for at least some of the pipeline bombings and other attacks on the Iraqi oil infrastructure.

Interestingly, Michael Ruppert began one of his recent "Peak is the Word" rants with an ominous quote attributed to an "Anonymous Middle Eastern Participant at the Third Conference of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas – Berlin, May 2004." The quote, which Ruppert presents without comment, reads as follows:

The one thing that every Middle Eastern leader, manager, and planner who dreams of holding his country together fears now, is that there will be a widespread uprising, inspired by the perceived victory against Spain after Madrid, and Spain's withdrawal from Iraq, that it might prompt much of the Muslim world to start attacking oil facilities everywhere. This is the way they see that has worked to defeat the West and to avenge their grievances. May God help us all if that happens.
(http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062104_berlin_peak.html)

This statement, if taken literally, is patently absurd -- beginning with the Bill O'Reillyesque claim that the 'terr'ists' somehow scored a victory in Spain, and continuing through the astounding leap of faith required to equate manufactured attacks on commuter trains to widespread attacks on oil facilities. The only way that the uncredited statement makes any sense at all is as a tip-off that the CIA's future playbook is packed with false-flag terr'ist operations directed at critical oil facilities -- especially in countries that haven't yet been convinced that their vast oil reserves don't really exist.

In order to carry out the 'Peak Oil' agenda, the powers-that-be need to have all the major oil producers on board. Some of them have been on board all along. Some have to be recruited through military force (Iraq, for example). Some will be compelled to join the team through covert operations (e.g., Venezuela). And some are being brought on board through threats, intimidation, and saber rattling.

The two most sought after recruits, of course, are Russia and Saudi Arabia, since they are the world's two top oil producing nations. As of this past April, Saudi Arabia apparently hadn't yet received the latest memos on 'Peak.'

Much to the consternation of Ruppert and his handlers, Saudi officials announced on April 28 that the Kingdom's estimate of recoverable reserves had nearly quintupled! (The article below says "tripled," but the math isn't that hard to do.)

Saudi Oil Is Secure and Plentiful, Say Officials
Tim Kennedy, Arab News http://www.arabnews.com/?page=6§ion=0&article=44011&d=29&m=4&y=2004

WASHINGTON, 29 April 2004 — Officials from Saudi Arabia’s oil industry and the international petroleum organizations shocked a gathering of foreign policy experts in Washington yesterday with an announcement that the Kingdom’s previous estimate of 261 billion barrels of recoverable petroleum has now more than tripled, to 1.2 trillion barrels.

Additionally, Saudi Arabia’s key oil and finance ministers assured the audience — which included US Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan — that the Kingdom has the capability to quickly double its oil output and sustain such a production surge for as long as 50 years.

[...]

“Saudi Arabia now has 1.2 trillion barrels of estimated reserve. This estimate is very conservative. Our analysis gives us reason to be very optimistic. We are continuing to discover new resources, and we are using new technologies to extract even more oil from existing reserves,” the minister said.

Naimi said Saudi Arabia is committed to sustaining the average price of $25 per barrel set by the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries. He said prices should never increase to more than $28 or drop under $22.

[...]

“Saudi Arabia’s vast oil reserves are certainly there,” Naimi added. “None of these reserves requires advanced recovery techniques. We have more than sufficient reserves to increase output. If required, we can increase output from 10.5 million barrels a day to 12 - 15 million barrels a day. And we can sustain this increased output for 50 years or more. There will be no shortage of oil for the next 50 years. Perhaps much longer.”

Note that the oil reserves claimed by Saudi Arabia alone (1.2 trillion barrels) exceed what the Peakers claim are the total recoverable oil reserves for the entire planet. Let's pause here for a minute and think about the significance of that: one tiny patch of land, [similar to the 1% of Iraq that the "oil majors" limited themselves to artificaially already for 40 years in Iraq even going to the trouble of building Potemkin wells to hide their drilling commission negligence to the Iraqi government] accounting for less than than 1/2 of 1% of the earth's total surface area, potentially contains more oil that the 'Peak' pitchmen claim the entire planet has to offer! Is there not something clearly wrong with this picture?

Needless to say, that sort of candor by the Saudis could put a serious crimp in Washington's plans to sell the 'Peak Oil' scam. Perhaps that is why, just three days after that announcement, the Saudi oil industry was attacked by some of those terr'ists. Not to be deterred, however, Saudi officials announced three weeks later, on May 21, that the Kingdom still intended to dramatically increase its petroleum output. And a week after that, on May 29, those crafty terr'ists launched yet another brazen attack on the Saudi oil industry. Shit happens, I guess.

[Then the Mockingbird press was rolled out as well to scare Saudi Arabia with an invasion, which Greg Palast notes, there is a neocon wing that wanted to do it right then and there after September 11, 2001--attack and seize and stop oil production in Saudia Arabia.]

At that very same time, and in the months that followed, the U.S. was sending clear signals that it would not hesitate to set its military dogs loose on the Kingdom if necessary. Michael Moore's "the Saudis are the real enemy" movie, for example, splashed across America's screens. [Michael Moore is a limited hangout type of guy, similar to Ruppert. Michael Moore is just one remove from the Bushes himself--Moore was TRAINED IN FILMMAKING by I believea a cousin to George W. Bush.] Various voices involved in both the official and unofficial 9-11 investigations were pointing the finger toward the Saudis as well. The message couldn't have been clearer: "we can easily drum up public support for 'regime change' if you won't play ball." The Saudis, it would appear, have now fallen in line.

Meanwhile, in Russia,… [go there for getting the other major oil player 'in line.']



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NEWSLETTER #83
August 11, 2006

Oh Mikey, You Gotta Lotta Splainin' to Do!
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr83.html

It is now time, fearless readers, to revisit some of the events of 2004 – the year that a suspiciously well-organized band of 'Peak Oil' salesmen began cranking up the volume of their propaganda campaign while simultaneously attempting to shout down [particularly from the government rubberstamping Ruppert wing] any dissenters in the crowd. Some of the events that will be covered here have been commented on before on these pages, but in a largely disjointed manner. With the benefit of hindsight, I now realize that what is needed is a timeline, which I now present, for the very first time, under an arbitrarily chosen title.

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March 3, 2004: Philip Watts, CEO and former chief of exploration for Shell Oil, is asked to step down amidst a scandal involving allegedly inflated reserve estimates. Two months earlier, Shell had dramatically lowered its estimates of recoverable reserves, claiming that earlier figures had been faked. Both Watts and Walter van de Vijver, who had replaced Watts as chief of exploration when Watts became CEO, are forced to resign. Watts is the first CEO in the company's century-long history to be forced from office.

April 19, 2004: Judy Boynton, Chief Financial Officer for Shell, is fired in the ongoing scandal over 'faked' reserve estimates. Boynton's departure is accompanied by a further reduction in Shell's estimated reserves.

April 28, 2004: Spokesmen for Saudi Arabia's state-owned oil company announce that they are more than quadrupling their previous estimates of recoverable reserves, adding that the new estimate of 1.2 trillion barrels is "very conservative."

May 1, 2004: Unidentified 'terrorists' strike out against key components of Saudi Arabia's oil industry.

May 21, 2004: Saudi spokesmen again announce that the kingdom sits atop vast stockpiles of recoverable oil reserves.

May 29, 2004: 'Terrorists' again attack the Saudi oil industry. No further announcements are forthcoming from Saudi officials.

June 22, 2004: Professor Thomas Gold, the West's most vocal and influential proponent of the abiotic origins of hydrocarbons, dies suddenly on the Summer Solstice. [How's that for your high elite wierdness, probabaly sacrificed on a special date...]

July 2004: Russia's Yukos Oil is charged by the Putin government with tax evasion.

August 3, 2004: Pemex, Mexico's state-owned oil company, announces that it has mapped vast new oil fields in the Gulf of Mexico, enabling it to more than double the country's estimated recoverable reserves.

August 20, 2004: Green Party activist Walter Sheasby, who six months earlier had penned a piece exposing the true backers of the 'Peak Oil' ruse, dies suddenly, reportedly from the West Nile Virus.

David's commentary to that article says in part:

NEWSLETTER #55
March 19, 2004
Who Is Really Behind the 'Peak Oil' Scare?

Well, well, well. What have we here? This story just keeps getting better and better. And as it does, it becomes increasingly clear why the Ruppert crowd doesn't want anyone taking too close a look at the 'Peak Oil' story. It appears that Ruppert may have given a less than full accounting of the ties between the 'Peak Oil' experts and the oil industry. And guess who is really behind the 'Peak Oil' scare? I would tell you, but I hate to spoil the surprise.

Then that Green Party writer "suddently dies" soon after writing that "heinous heresy" to the "peak oil: we report, we decide" media requirements to have environmentalists on the corporate side of peak oil. That Green Party member nailed it as the industrial scam of the century quite well--and then was nailed himself...

October 2004: Mikhail Khodorkovsky, CEO of Yukos Oil, is arrested and – appropriately enough – sent off to a cell in Siberia.

November 1, 2004: Raul Munoz Leos is forced out of his position as CEO of Pemex following a manufactured scandal. As the Los Angeles Times reported, Laos' ouster came "a week after Mexican newspapers detailed how his wife, Hilda Ledezma Mayoral, billed the company for liposuction treatments costing a total of $12,000 last year and this April. Although Pemex insisted that any of its employees and their dependents were entitled to similar medical reimbursements and that Munoz Leos repaid the company, the damage was done." (Chris Kraul "Mexico Replaces Oil Monopoly Boss," Los Angeles Times, November 2, 2004)

I hope to expand upon this timeline in the coming months, possibly through tips sent in by alert readers, but already we can see that, in the span of just eight short months, two of the West's leading critics of 'Peak Oil' theory turned up dead and the CEOs of three of the world's major oil producers got axed [for lying about fake oil scarcity or announcing they had more than they were "supposed" to let on to the ever gullible "sucker born every minute" public...]. One of those three oil giants (Pemex) had just announced the discovery of massive new oil fields, another (Shell) had just been 'caught' supposedly inflating reserve figures, and the third (Yukos) is the leading producer of oil in a country whose entire petroleum industry is based on the teachings of abiotic oil theory. In addition, a fourth major player in the oil industry, Saudi Arabia, saw some of its key oil installations attacked immediately after it had announced dramatically increased reserve figures.

[Dave left out that Yukos ownership was quietly passed to the Rothschilds.]

Rothschild Runs Yukos
Arrested oil tycoon passed shares to banker

The Washington Times
3 November 2003

LONDON (Agence France-Presse) - Control of Mikhail Khodorkovsky's shares in the Russian oil giant Yukos have passed to renowned banker Jacob Rothschild, under a deal they concluded prior to Mr. Khodorkovsky's arrest, the Sunday Times reported.

Voting rights to the shares passed to Mr. Rothschild, 67, under a "previously unknown arrangement" designed to take effect in the event that Mr. Khodorkovsky could no longer "act as a beneficiary" of the shares, it said.

Mr. Khodorkovsky, 40, whom Russian authorities arrested at gunpoint and jailed pending further investigation last week, was said by the Sunday Times to have made the arrangement with Mr. Rothschild when he realized he was facing arrest.

Mr. Rothschild now controls the voting rights on a stake in Yukos worth almost $13.5 billion, the newspaper said in a dispatch from Moscow.

Mr. Khodorkovsky owns 4 percent of Yukos directly and 22 percent through a trust of which he is the sole beneficiary, according to Russian analysts.

From the figures reported in the Sunday Times, it appeared Mr. Rothschild had received control of all Mr. Khodorkovsky's shares.

...more...

[He then can leave out that Khodorkovsky, after passing his shares to Rothschild (to avoid them being taken over by a Russian state with different population defense ideas than conducting artificial holocausts on itself), his cronies with the other shares flee to the Rothschild founded state in the middle east, founded by the direct lineal relation of the Lord Rothschild he just passed his shares to. Israel accepts these oil criminals with open arms, like so many criminals from 9-11 onward it has taken under its wings.

Russian Oligarchs Flee To Safety In Israel
Yukos Oil Fugitives Find Safe Haven In The Promised Land
The Financial Times - UK
By Harvey Morris
3-24-2005

For the Russian government, they are allegedly dangerous criminals who have made off with billions in unpaid taxes and are wanted on charges that range from embezzlement to murder. For Israel, they are potential valued investors in the country's slowly reviving economy. [On those standards, maybe the late Ken DeLay is actually alive as a "valued investor" in Israel right now as well...]

Two of Israel's normally publicity-shy Russian "oligarchs" this week surfaced to announce their first investment in Israel since they sought refuge there 18 months ago in the wake of the debacle over Yukos, the Russian oil company.

In an interview with the FT, Leonid Nevzlin and Michael Brudno, whose Menatep group owns 60 per cent of Yukos shares, outlined a business strategy based on the likelihood that they will not be returning to Russia anytime soon.

[Thus, Bush/Rothschild 'wing' likely has 65% or more of Russian Yukos control now...]

The two men live a hundred yards from each other in the affluent anonymity of Herzliya, an upscale suburb north of Tel Aviv. Propped against a wall of Mr. Nevzlin's living room is a "Free Khodorkovsky" placard in honour of Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the Yukos founder jailed in Russia in October, 2003 on tax evasion and fraud charges.

The two men and their partner, Vladimir Dubov, took out Israeli citizenship at about the same time, setting up home in Israel in the hope of avoiding extradition over their alleged role in the Yukos affair.

As well as the fraud-related charges, Mr Nevzlin is also wanted in Russia for conspiracy to murder.

Mr Nevzlin rejected all the accusations against him and his partners and said they were part of an ideological campaign by Vladimir Putin, Russian president, against the Russian private sector. "It has been totally developed by the [former] KGB, which has a lack of tolerance for anything it does not control. This is a long-term consequence of Stalinism"...[fighting the long term consequence of international Bushite U.S. oil company Nazism...]

Yukos lost 60 per cent of its oil production capacity when the Russian government ordered it to sell off its main subsidiary in December to pay back-taxes. The buyer, state-owned Rosneft, has since filed an $11bn suit against Yukos.

[So Russia gains back a great deal of the infrastructure instead of directly these freshly minted Israeli citizens with their 60% of the remainder, or Lord Rothschild with his 5% share from the jailed Khodorkovsky.]

Mr Nevzlin said: "The Yukos story is not over yet. The volume of illegal tax claims would be enough to confiscate the rest of the company."

[Thus Russia messing up the "Peak Oil scam" in other words, from working.]

Describing the Rosneft claim as "complete bullshit", Mr Brudno claimed it had been filed on orders from the Kremlin.

Announcing their investment in Israel, the two men [one of them a murderer as well as a corporate fraudster] said Menatep was acquiring a stake in the holding company of Israel Petroleum Enterprises.

They said they would be looking into further investments in fields within the group's area of expertise. Menatep already has about $100m invested in telecoms companies in eastern Europe.

Although the Russian tycoons have maintained a low profile since moving to Israel, they have not managed to escape controversy.

Mr Nevzlin's name was among those raised in connection with a current Israeli police investigation into the alleged laundering of at least $500m through a branch of Bank Hapoalim, Israel's largest bank.

[This is mentioned by Barry Chamish as tying into the Octopus like international drug money laundering networks of the Bush clique and Sharon family and the late Yasser Arafat and the murdered Mormon Senator from Utah who was the cover for some of the money laundering of the mega billions of drug money laundering, pushed through fake USAID "non projects" that were never built.]

"I've had no problems with the authorities," he said. "Everything is quite
transparent if you look at my assets. So much time has passed since they started the investigation, they would have had a chance to look at my accounts."

In an indication of how important Israel regards investment, Benjamin
Netanyahu, finance minister, [who is involved personally in the same money laundering network, according to Chamish, is covering up for his compatriots there and] recently said the money-laundering case had been blown out of proportion.

"Israel will lose a lot if some TV viewers think that the country does not need immigrants from the former Soviet Union and can afford to reject investments," he told the RTV1 satellite channel, owned by Vladimir Gusinsky, an exiled Russian media magnate.



[He then additionally gets to leave out an additional oil tentable thing here: he left out that this is the same Rothschild that Schwarzenegger and Warren Buffett (Arny's "campaign advisor" no less--more like his watchdog, from "them", since Buffett is tied into 9-11 remote control plane technology via MITRE corporation, and Buffett was trusted enough to perhaps direct the remote control operation itself on 9-11. Buffett for no actual purpose was sitting tight at Offut Air Force Base on 9-11 by 7 a.m.--holed up there with WTC CEOs that he "rescued" who have been killed if they had gone to work that day. Offut of course is hardly the place to hold his (he claims) a "charity event" at the nuclear secure NORAD base. Since NORAD was simultaneously conducted the 9-11 standdown with Rummy's aid off in the Pentagon (since he disappeared for around 45 minutes when he should have been at the command center and responses were intentionally jeporadized because of his being missing.) Rummy reappears about 10:30-10:45--an hour after the Pentagon was hit and makes up bogus stories of "helping wounded" when his Joint Chiefs put out the order in July 2001 that Rummy had to be personally there to give the order to shoot down anything, particularly, "remote controlled vehicles" it is noted in the still hot off the press order. So he's missing, so 9-11 occurs on his end. Anyway, Warren Buffett, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and the soon to be Yukos shareowner Rothschild hold secret meetings at the Rothschild estate in England. Then Buffett guides Schwarzenegger to kill California's multi-billion dollar suit agiast Bush family linked pirate corporation Enron. That's why ex-California Governor Gray Davis was ousted--by a Bush Pioneer no less, Mr. Issa. To stop action against unravelling the whole Enron thing with its Bush links, via California. More oil there. Back to David McGowan:]

The pattern here seems rather clear: contradict the lie that the world is running out of oil [or attempt to drag money out of the piratical actions of oil corporations doing it and put state jurisdiction over them like Enron/California context or like Yukos in Russia], and you end up either dead or exiled to Siberia [or like Gray Davis, removed from office]. [Others like Rubbert, fail in the agitprop of "naturally occurring social dislocations from 'peak oil', and find themselves relocated to Venezuela, perhaps reassigned, since that is a big CIA place right now, according to the Canadian website run by Dr. Michel Chossudovsky that watches all sorts of things of interest.]

There is one other thing that I need to add to my timeline: in October 2004, at the tail end of this extraordinary series of shameful events, all of which appear to have been aimed at preparing the playing field for the 'Peak Oil' scam, Michael Ruppert posted a piece on his From the Bilderbergs website in which he triumphantly declared, "We Did It!" Oh yes, Mr. Ruppert, you do indeed gotta lotta splainin' to do. And when Mikey's done explaining his position on 'Peak Oil,' maybe he can then explain something else that has been troubling me for the last several weeks: how is it that a seasoned police detective could do such an amateurish job of staging a crime scene? (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/070506_offices_burglarized.shtml)

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And on the Nazi collaborationist origins of "Peak Oil slogan" inventors, who just gave Nazi oil company connected policies a different greenwash, that's all:

NEWSLETTER #64
August 17, 2004
Whoa, Dude! Are We Peaking Yet?


"The Club of Rome, a non-profit global think tank, said in the 1970s that we'd hit peak oil in 2003. It didn't happen." So said Kevin Kelleher, writing for Popular Science magazine in August of this year. But it did indeed happen, according to Michael Ruppert and his band of resident 'experts,' who collectively insist that the planet is now at the point of 'peak' oil production.

(Kevin Kelleher "How Long Will the Oil Age Last?" Popular Science, August 2004)

It appears then that today's 'Peak Oil' crowd has some pages in their propaganda playbook that were lifted directly from the Club of Rome, which raises the obvious question: what exactly is the Club of Rome?

Who is it that has handed Michael Ruppert and company the baton?

The initial membership list of the Club of Rome, as it turns out, contains some interesting names:

David Rockefeller: Bilderberger, cofounder of the Trilateral Commission, former chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations, scion of the world's most prominent oil dynasty, and all-around bad guy.
[David and Nelson Rockefeller BUILT the World Trade Center, one as financier, the other (Nelson) as New York Governor. Lots of laws had to be broken (or diplomatically put "rewritten to not apply") to various things they wanted to get done in putting these huge Jachin and Boaz sculptures at the heart of New York City, which has always been international globalist HQ. Bush Senior has always been close to Nelson Rockefeller. Nelson Rockefeller almost was President in 1975--except Ford escaped three failed assassination attempts. George H. W. Bush was CIA director then, inserted to intentionally not cooperate with the House Committee on Assassinations investigation into the Kennedy Assassination--of which Bush Senior was directly involved; Cheney was Ford's White House Chief of Staff; Rumsfeld was Ford's Secretary of Defense. If Ford had died, the U.S. would have had a long planned slow motion coup to seat an entirely unelected Nelson Rockefeller as President. At that moment in American history, 1975-76, the same groups were passing around ideas on how to change the U.S. Constitution, basically entirely eradicating an elected legislature, and ideally (for them) appointing everybody as a strange "council of important elders" (council of important cronies) wackjob. It is likely that they planned to attack the WTCs sometime during 1976-1980 by flying planes into it and launching global war and U.S. dictatorship then, because it all fits, as described here.]

Title: US DoD McNiven RICO SUIT! BUSH SENIOR, CIA head, & his 1976 state terror plan to hit WTCs!
Date: 2005.03.20 06:18
Description: A LIVE COURT CASE! DEAL WITH IT! WELCOME TO REALITY. Our own U.S. Army devised a plan commissioned by Congress to bring down the WTCs...McNiven, who first went public in an affidavit included in a 9/11-related federal conspiracy (RICO) lawsuit filed against Bush and others in 2004, claims his unit was ordered to create the "perfect terrorist plan" using commercial airliners as weapons and the Twin Towers as their target [back in 1976].....publicized version [or alibi] of the study, commissioned by Congress, was claimed to be structured to "identify security lapses and submit corrective measures" to lawmakers. However, McNiven claims the real purpose of the study was to brainstorm how to pull off the perfect terrorist attack using the exact same 9/11 scenario. The study, commissioned to C-Battery 2/81st Field Artillery, U.S. Army, stationed in Strassburg, Germany in 1976, specifically devised the scenario of the Twin Towers being leveled by Middle Eastern terrorists using commercial airliners and even plastic box cutters to bypass security.

To silence critics, McNiven has successfully passed a credible lie detector test regarding his participation in the study as well as other specific orders given to him by his superiors in case of a real attack on the Twin Towers. The head of the 1976 mock terrorist plan was Lt. Michael Teague of Long Island, who McNiven says was given specific orders by higher-ups in the military to use the Twin Towers as the terrorist target. McNiven said he has been unable to contact Lt. Teague, but was interested in his opinion now that "the 9/11 attacks happened the way we planned them in 1976."

Other relative evil guys in the Club of Rome beside David Rockefeller:

John J. McCloy: Former advisor to the Mussolini regime who had the honor of sitting in Adolf Hitler's private box at the Berlin Olympic games; later served as High Commissioner of Germany, during which time he signed an order freeing the majority of the Nazi war criminals that had been convicted at Nuremberg; [then he quit after being inserted to do that and went to work at David Rockefeller's bank in New York, Chase Manhattan]; still later, served on the infamous Warren Committee.

Other members of the Club of Rome:

Averell Harriman: Skull and Bonesman and high-level political operative through several presidential administrations; together with members of the Dulles family and the Bush/Walker family, established various business entities engaged in providing funding to Nazi Germany, even after the United States had entered the war.

Katherine Graham: Longtime publisher of the Washington Post and longtime CIA asset [Ms. Mockingbird herself] who once famously said, while speaking at the CIA's Langley, Virginia headquarters: "We live in a dirty and dangerous world. There are some things the general public does not need to know and shouldn't. I believe democracy flourishes when the government can take legitimate steps to keep its secrets and when the press can decide whether to print what it knows."

Quite a distinguished cast of [recycled Octopus tentacle] characters, I have to admit -- although not necessarily the type of people whose lies and spin most dissidents/progressives would accept as good coin. But guess what? If you are buying (or selling) the 'Peak Oil' bullshit, then you already have.

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On June 21, the Los Angeles Times ran a story that the ever-growing 'Peak Oil' crowd seems to have missed. The article concerned the Shell oil refinery in Bakersfield, California that is scheduled to be shut down on October 1 -- despite the fact that the state of California (and the nation as a whole) is already woefully lacking in refinery capacity.

Now why do you suppose that Shell would want to close a perfectly good oil refinery? It can't be because there is no market for the goods produced there, since that obviously isn't the case. And it isn't due to a lack of raw materials, since the refinery sits, as the Times noted, atop "prolific oil fields." The Scotsman recently explained just how prolific those fields are:

The best estimates in 1942 indicated that the Kern River field in California had just 54 million barrels of remaining oil. By 1986, the field had produced 736 million barrels, and estimates put the remaining reserves at 970 million barrels. (http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=578462004)

Of course, just because there is a strong demand for a product, and a ready source of raw materials with which to produce that product, does not mean that any corporate entity is obligated to bring that product to market. In the corporate world, the only thing that ever matters is the "bottom line," because corporations exist for one purpose only: to generate profits. So the only question, I suppose, that really matters, is: can the refining of gasoline and diesel fuel at this particular facility generate profits for the corporation?

One would naturally assume, given Shell's decision to close the refinery, that the answer to that question is "no." But that would be an entirely wrong assumption, since the truth is, as L.A. Times reporters discovered when they got their hands on internal company documents, that the refinery is wildly profitable. How wildly profitable? The Bakersfield plant's "profit of $11 million in May [2004] was 57 times what the company projected and more than double what it made in all of 2003." (Elizabeth Douglas "Shell to Cut Summer Output at Bakersfield Refinery, Papers Say," Los Angeles Times, June 21, 2004)

Go ahead and read that again: "more than double what it made in all of 2003." In a single month! And 2003 wasn't exactly what you would call a slow year at the Bakersfield refinery. According to Shell documents obtained by the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, "Bakersfield's refining margin at $23.01 per barrel, or about 55 cents profit per gallon, topped all of Shell's refineries in the nation."
(http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=114-04062004)

Let's pause briefly here to review the situation, shall we? There is a product (gasoline) that is in great demand, and that will always be in great demand, since the product has what economists like to call an "inelastic" demand curve; for many months now, that product has been selling for record-breaking prices, especially in the state of California, and there is no indication that that situation will change anytime soon; there are abundant local resources with which to produce that coveted product; and, finally, there is a ridiculously profitable facility that is ideally located to manufacture and market that product.

Given that situation, what response would we normally expect from that facility's parent corporation? Sit back and let the good times roll? Attempt to increase production at the facility and rake in even greater profits? Sell the facility and make a windfall profit? Or, tossing logic and rationality to the wind, shut the facility down and walk away?
That last one, of course, is what Shell has chosen to do. And this story, believe it or not, gets even better:

The internal documents obtained by the Times, including a refinery output forecast, indicate that Bakersfield will soon be producing far less than its capacity. After relatively high output rates in May and early June, Shell plans to cut crude oil processing about 6% in July and another 6% in August, according to the forecast. Those two months are when California's fuel demand reaches annual peak levels.

Aamir Farid, the general manager of the Bakersfield refinery, was asked the reason for the plan to reduce output at the time of peak demand. Farid claimed that he was not aware of any such plan, but he added that if there was such a plan, "there is a good reason for it." However, he also added that, "off the top of my head, I don't know what that good reason is."

And why would he? Certainly the manager of the refinery can't be expected to know why his facility is planning to dramatically reduce output, can he? The best explanation that Farid could come up with was to speculate that there "could be maintenance planned or projections for a shortfall of crude." Neither of those scenarios are very plausible, however.

Bakersfield, whose suburbs include Oildale and Oil Junction, won't likely be facing a shortfall of crude anytime soon. And as for the notion of planned maintenance, I doubt that anyone actually believes that Shell plans to perform two months worth of maintenance work on a facility that will be permanently shuttered just one month after that work is completed.

To be fair, I suppose it could be the case that Shell, being the benevolent giant that it is, wants to get the place in tip-top shape for the new owners -- except that there are no new owners, primarily because "Shell didn't search out potential buyers for the refinery once it decided to shutter it." Indeed, Shell actively avoided finding a buyer for the plant (which became a fully-owned Shell asset just three short years ago), since any new owner would probably object to the bulldozers and wrecking balls that Shell plans to bring in just as soon as the refinery's doors have closed. ("FTCR uncovered a timetable showing decommissioning and demolition are set to begin immediately after the refinery's shut down date." http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=114-04062004)

Can any of you 'Peak Oil' boosters out there think of any legitimate reason why a purely profit-driven corporation would acquire an outrageously profitable asset and then proceed to deliberately destroy that asset? ... because I have to tell you, I have been struggling to come up with an explanation on my own and the only one that I've got so far is that the corporation might be involved in some kind of conspiracy to manufacture an artificial shortage of a crucial commodity. I know that 'Peak Oil' theory holds that we don't need the refinery capacity because, you know, we're running out of oil and all, but that doesn't explain why a tremendously profitable refinery isn't being kept in operation at least until all the local wells have run dry, does it?

Shell will, by the way, continue to operate its Martinez, California refinery -- for now at least. The Martinez facility is also wildly profitable, showing a "net profit of $34 million in May." That tidy profit was, as it turns out, "just shy of Shell's profit expectations at Martinez for all of 2004." Strangely enough, the Martinez facility, like the one in Bakersfield, "cut crude processing in July, by nearly 10%, a reduction attributed to planned heavy maintenance."

It's always a good idea, I suppose, to schedule heavy maintenance work during times of peak energy demand. That's the kind of intelligent business decision we would expect from a corporate giant with decades of experience in the energy business.

On July 8, the LA Times, armed with yet more internal company documents and an unnamed company whistleblower, revisited the story of the Bakersfield refinery. As of July 1, it was discovered, Shell had "reduced crude oil processing at the refinery to levels 19% below capacity" -- more than triple the unexplained reduction that had been planned for the facility.
(Elizabeth Douglas "FTC Probing Shell's Plan to Shut Refinery," Los Angeles Times, July 8, 2004)

According to both company documents and the unnamed employee, "there were no problems with the plant's equipment," and no other explanation was offered for the radical reduction in processing -- undoubtedly because there is no legitimate reason for the decreased output. So obvious is the company's intent to artificially tighten gasoline and diesel supplies that the FTC was obliged, for the sake of appearances, to step in and pretend to launch an investigation. Shell's response to the investigation has been to delay the closing of the refinery for a few months while it goes through the motions of pretending to find a buyer.

In completely unrelated news, a July 31 LA Times report announced that "profit at ChevronTexaco Corp. more than doubled during the second quarter ... echo[ing] the strong quarterly results reported by other major U.S. oil refiners this week." ChevronTexaco's profit jumped from $1.6 billion to $4.1 billion. Not too shabby. Three days later, the Times reported that Unocal's earnings for that same quarter had nearly doubled, from $177 million to $341 million.
(Debora Vrana "Chevron Profit Soars," Los Angeles Times, July 31, 2004, and Julie Tamaki "Unocal's Earnings Nearly Double," Los Angeles Times, August 3, 2004)

Nobody should conclude from any of this, of course, that inflated fuel prices are attributable to rampant greed and the quest for obscene profits. No, clearly rising fuel prices are a sign of 'Peak Oil.' Just ask Mike Ruppert and Mark Robinowitz. Or better yet, bypass the flunkies and go directly to the scriptwriters at Halliburton and the Club of Rome.

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Speaking of Ruppert, I thought that I should, as a favor to you, big Mike, point out what appears to be a slight inconsistency in your research methodology. I do this to provide you with an opportunity to correct the problem, so that people don't get the impression that you are the kind of guy who doesn't let the truth get in the way of advancing an agenda.

While attempting to justify your unwavering refusal to focus any attention whatsoever on the so-called 'physical evidence' portion of the 9-11 skeptics' case, you have loudly proclaimed that pursuing that approach "will never penetrate the consciousness of the American people in a way that will bring about change. What will penetrate, from my experience, is taking non-scientific reports that most people instantly accept as credible, whether news reports or government statements or documents, and merely showing that they are lies. That opens the wedge, and removes any reliance upon expert or scientific testimony which is typically used to confuse simple facts."

I trust that you remember penning those words. And I trust that you also remember penning these words, which you felt compelled to send on their merry way to my mailbox: "I challenge you to an open, public debate on the subject of Peak Oil ... I challenge you to bring scientific material, production data and academic references and citations for your conclusions like I have .. I will throw more than 500 footnoted citations at you from unimpeachable sources. Be prepared to eat them or rebut them with something more than you have offered."

Do you see the problem here? It almost sounds like you are saying that there are completely different rules for conducting 9-11 research than there are for conducting 'Peak Oil' research. By my reading, what you seem to be saying is that sometimes you want to avoid the scientific stuff at all costs and instead focus solely on demonstrating that "news reports or government statements or documents ... are lies," because that will "penetrate the consciousness of the American people." But at other times, you want to rely exclusively on all that expert scientific testimony - the kind that is "typically used to confuse simple facts" - and you want to pretend that the media reports and government statements that you are citing are "unimpeachable sources."

I have to admit that it is all very confusing to me, but luckily we have a seasoned, world-class investigator out there who knows, intuitively perhaps, which of the two completely contradictory techniques to employ in a given situation. The rest of us, I suppose, lacking invaluable LAPD training, can only aspire to such greatness.

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http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr64.html

The Octopus rolls on, same brain, different tentacles.

9/06/2006 03:02:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Sex and drugs and rock n' roll is just what tptb do in their spare time. The sex is with children; the drugs makes them money and friends' The rock n' roll or every other mass media including this blog "people" are the gatekeepers.

You have managed to isolate your little bit of the knowledge base to the exceptional exception of what is really going down.

This is "Stranger Danger" stuff and it works. I recently found a key-logger program running on my computer. I don't know if it's really gone but I have to assume that the time delays that I get when I post or watch TV or even try to muddle through a complete thought that the "Octopus" has landed. The "Truth", the whole "Truth" and nothing but the "Truth". How can you "spout" MK ULTRA without it's precursor "PAPERCLIP"? You are all guilty of a closed mind. To plumb the depths of depravity that you have barely scratched here, you will have to open your minds to the "whole truth" the "big picture". Sex, and drugs and rock n' roll is what "they" do for fun.

9/06/2006 04:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"How can you "spout" MK ULTRA without it's precursor "PAPERCLIP"? You are all guilty of a closed mind. "

MKULTRA/Maroinette was Nazi in origin--and before Paperclip, anyway though its basically the same thing. It's a bogus "distinction" of semantics and location of the same project that just moved to the U.S. that I think you harp upon. No offense.

"It's always a good idea, I suppose, to schedule heavy maintenance work during times of peak energy demand. That's the kind of intelligent business decision we would expect from a corporate giant with decades of experience in the energy business."

They're currently shutting down the Alaska Pipeline as we speak on similar strange antics of structured "nondrilling", as reported by Greg Palast earlier. And the "they" in qustion is British Petroleum.

BRITISH PETROLEUM’S “SMART PIG”
Published by Greg Palast August 8th, 2006 in Articles
The Brilliantly Profitable Timing of the Alaska Oil Pipeline Shutdown

by Greg Palast
http://www.gregpalast.com/british-petroleums-smart-pig

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For The Guardian (UK)
Tuesday, August 9, 2006

Is the Alaska Pipeline corroded? You bet it is. Has been for more than a decade. Did British Petroleum shut the pipe yesterday to turn a quick buck on its negligence, to profit off the disaster it created? Just ask the “smart pig.”

Years ago, I had the unhappy job of leading an investigation of British Petroleum’s management of the Alaska pipeline system. I was working for the Chugach villages, the Alaskan Natives who own the shoreline slimed by the 1989 Exxon Valdez tanker grounding.

Even then, courageous government inspectors and pipeline workers were screaming about corrosion all through the pipeline. I say “courageous” because BP, which owns 46% of the pipe and is supposed to manage the system, had a habit of hunting down and destroying the careers of those who warn of pipeline problems.

In one case, BP’s CEO of Alaskan operations hired a former CIA expert to break into the home of a whistleblower, Chuck Hamel, who had complained of conditions at the pipe’s tanker facility. BP tapped his phone calls with a US congressman and ran a surveillance and smear campaign against him. When caught, a US federal judge said BP’s acts were “reminiscent of Nazi Germany.”

[Well, er, these oil companies still are Nazi Germany--U.S./U.K. oil multinationalists aided them during WWII. See still shocking book series on U.S. Nazi aids all through WWII by Charles Higham, on all this. And of course there's the "oil family" of the Bushes as well, with Bush Senior's father being a Nazi banker agent with Thyssen in New York City's Union Banking Corporation. Bush family vehicle Silesian-American in Poland actually got Third Reich state delivered slave labor as workers.]

This was not an isolated case. Captain James Woodle, once in charge of the pipe’s Valdez terminus, was blackmailed into resigning the post when he complained of disastrous conditions there. The weapon used on Woodle was a file of faked evidence of marital infidelity. Nice guys, eh?

Now let’s talk timing. BP’s suddenly discovered corrosion necessitating an emergency shut-down of the line is the same corrosion Dan Lawn has been screaming about for 15 years. Lawn is a steel-eyed government inspector who has kept his job only because his union’s lawyers have kept BP from having his head.

Indeed, it’s pretty darn hard for BP to claim it is surprised to find corrosion this week when Lawn issued a damning report on corrosion right after a leak and spill were discovered on March 2 of this year.

Why shut the pipe now? The timing of a sudden inspection and fix of a decade-long problem has a suspicious smell. A precipitous shutdown in mid-summer, in the middle of Middle East war(s), is guaranteed to raise prices and reap monster profits for BP.

The price of crude jumped $2.22 a barrel on the shutdown news to over $76.

How lucky for BP which sells four million barrels of oil a day.

Had BP completed its inspection and repairs a couple years back — say, after Dan Lawn’s tenth warning — the oil market would have hardly noticed.

But $2 a barrel is just the beginning of BP’s shut-down bonus.

The Alaskan oil was destined for the California market which now faces a supply crisis at the very height of the summer travel season. The big winner is ARCO petroleum [which connects back into the HAARP project's patents--perhaps global weather control should be another simultaneous tentacle of the Octopus's recycled agents], the largest retailer in the Golden State.

ARCO is a 100%-owned subsidiary of … British Petroleum.

[In other words, British Petroleum dominates California oil infrastructure where they helped set up Governor Arny to save Enron.]

BP could have fixed the pipeline problem this past winter, after their latest corrosion-caused oil spill. But then ARCO would have lost the summertime supply-squeeze windfall.

[Another California piratical corporation issue:] Enron Corporation was infamous for deliberately timing repairs to maximize profit. Would BP also manipulate the market in such a crude manner? Some US prosecutors think they did so in the US propane market. The Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) just six weeks ago charged the [BP] company with approving an Enron-style scheme to crank up the price of propane sold in poor rural communities in the US. One former BP exec has pleaded guilty.

Lord Browne, the imperious CEO of BP, has apologized for that scam, for the Alaska spill, for this week’s shutdown and for the deaths in 2005 of 15 workers at the company’s mortally sloppy refinery operation at Texas City, Texas. [which may have been connected with a spoiled "terror" event...]

From another article:

The Third Pillar: 911-2B already has been attempted

We've led repeated efforts to inform the American People that Southeast Texas, full of petrochemical townships, is the primary target for the 911-2B attack, while Chicago is the secondary target. Those efforts would be meaningless, were it not for the fact that four out of five of our Southeast Texas specific warnings have been accompanied by major petrochemical explosions within one day of our prediction date, resulting in record-setting profits for the industry that owns the White House.

In the fifth Texas terror warning we predicted a nuclear attempt against Texas City -- and the residents were in a panic when Department of Defense nuclear forces showed up, unknown to area civic, police and military leaders, exactly when we said they would be there. [Unconfirmed? Though would be unsurprised...]

In the case of Chicago, we warned two months in advance of a Bush League attempt against the Sears Tower (already an official target via "Al Qaeda" threats). In early May of 2006, residents of the windy city only learned about a secret "Chicago 911" exercise through our later investigation and public affairs efforts.

The exercise, involving thousands and headed by Homeland Security, was being run as Mayor Richard M. Daley was suspiciously away from the country -- on his first-ever trip to Israel, hunkered down with Mossad agents.
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http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/08/345059.shtml

Moreover, Hurricane Katria was doubly useful--"it" shut down various refinery stations on the Gulf (if you trust the oil companies self-reporting distancing from the events), and these terminals were a major locus for providing currency exchange for the state of Venezuela as well--which Bush would love to topple so bad and rope Venezeula into the Peak Oil scam. That is why the person that the Bushes/CIA worked with in the previous coup against Chavez was the OIL MINISTER.

And afterwards, the oil company attempted to "strike on oil" to cripple the Venezuelan economy.

Don't tell me they are unaware of their power of artificially creating social dislocation and/or simply refrain from using it! Look at Bush linked Enron.

Venezuela seems to still remain outside of the Peak Oil scam network, though there are some odd shenanigans there dealing with U.S. e-vote machines being registered to Venezuela, and owned by the Rothschilds as well if you trace it completely back (as Lynn Landes did), though systemic vote fraud is another Octopus tentacle of the same recycled networks. That's another story.

Back to Palast:

I don’t want readers to think BP isn’t civic-minded [even though though it may in the immediate future be utilized as a 911-2B terror front somewhere in its infrastructure...].

The company’s US CEO, Bob Malone, was Co-Chairman of the Bush re-election campaign in Alaska.


Mr. Bush, in turn, was so impressed with BP’s care of Alaska’s environment that he pushed again to open the state’s arctic wildlife refuge (ANWR) to drilling by the BP consortium

[...or would that be--more "non drilling"--as previous Palast articles and McGowan articles note about Iraq and elsewhere. Once they get a handle on oil, they refuse to pump it instead of pump it. For instance, there are already two major cloaked reserves in Alaska that they refuse to touch because it would reduce profits and by the early 21st century would completely spoil the Peak Oil scam as well. One of these cloaked reserves is noted in the book The Energy Non-Crisis. The other one is a huge natural gas untouched reserve (ARCO/BP owned once more) exclusively being siphoned off into the HAARP project alone--which is run ARCO [BP] in the patent ownership. Alaskan oil infrastcture and HAARP might as well be called part of the British (Oil) Empire.]

Title: PEAK OIL? I think not! FREE Insider book: The Energy-Non Crisis, or, politic$ of $scarcity
Author: lover of truth, not lover of oil...
Date: 2005.09.21 06:08
Description: FREE Insider book reveals high politics of $scarcity in USA energy Lindsey Williams, an ordained Baptist minister for 28 years, went to Alaska in 1971 as a missionary. The Transalaska oil pipeline began its construction phase in 1974, and because of Mr. Williams' love for his country and concern for the spiritual welfare of the "pipeliners," he volunteered to serve as Chaplain on the pipeline, with the subsequent full support of the Alyeska Pipeline Company. Because of the executive status accorded to him as Chaplain, he was given access to the shocking information documented in this book. Some government officials and concerned individuals urged Mr. Williams to put into print what he saw and heard, stating that they felt this information was vital to national security. Mr. Williams firmly believes that whoever controls energy controls the economy. Thus, The Energy Non-Crisis. Because of the outstanding public response that has been generated by this book, Lindsey Williams is in great demand for speaking engagements, radio, and TV shows. Need further proof that information is suppressed? See this web site document. You might find the 1980 letter, near the bottom, to an inventor from the (U.S). Commissioner of Patents interesting. The letter prevents the inventor from proceeding with his invention on security grounds. Mr. Authur Stopes III does not agree with the letter at the bottom of the page, his comments are here. In the late 50’s, I met a retired Florida college physics professor, he had a patent for a device to run an engine on water, The government had classified his patent and this prevented him from developing his device.

An excerpt from Chapter 19 of Lindsey Williams' book, The Energy Non-Crisis:

"Not only has the crude oil been lied about, but now the natural gas has been stopped, too. You as "John Doe American Consumer" will not be allowed to burn that cheap natural gas. It could be in your home in time for the next winter if only private enterprise were allowed to go in and produce what they have already drilled into. Within six months they could be moving it down the same Alaskan corridor as the oil ... as they were originally promised they could do."

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And the introduction is by a Colorado Senator:

The motivation for this book is to bring facts to the American people as the authors know them. They do not have a political ax to grind nor any personal advantage by bringing forth these facts.Our President has stated that our energy problem is the equivalent of war. Yet he has embraced policies that have continually discouraged and hampered the development of our oil industry.

Nearly ten years ago President Nixon warned of a pending energy shortage unless our domestic production be drastically increased, but Congress insisted on restrictive price controls.

Congress has been urged--and sometimes threatened--by special interest groups to take a negative stance on energy production, but they have miserably failed to take proper action to increase our domestic production. In fact, as you read this book you must come to the realization that energy production has been fiercely stifled by "Government Bureaucracy," and Congress has sat on its collective hands.

You, the reader, will be left to make your own conclusions as to why this set of facts and circumstances conflict many times with what we have been told by the news media—which is fed its information by Government Agencies and Departments.

It is with great pride and pleasure that I endorse this manuscript and compliment the authors for taking time to do the research and make it available to all of us.

March 19, 1980
Hugh M. Chance
Former Senator of The State of Colorado

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And from:
L.D. Hoopkins
of TEXACO,
March 7, 1996

"...the most critical factor facing the refining industry on the West Coast is the surplus of refining capacity, and the surplus gasoline production capacity. (The same situation exists for the entire U.S. refining industry.) Supply significantly exceeds demand year-round. This results in very poor refinery margins and very poor refinery financial results. Significant EVENTS NEED TO OCCUR TO ASSIST IN REDUCING SUPPLIES and/or increasing the demand for gasoline." [my emph.]

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Instead like in Iraq as noted by Palast (or in "terror" enhanced Saudi Arabia or the attempts to steal Russian jurisdiction over oil) they want to simply sit on the oil because they have a huge glut of it. As Texaco internal documents state: "Significant EVENTS NEED TO OCCUR TO ASSIST IN REDUCING SUPPLIES and/or increasing the demand for gasoline", so it is important to find social engineering ways to raping extra billions from everyone--exactly what you would expect from WWII unpunished Nazi linked international corporate pirates and traitors they still are. Now they just want to add their desired depopulation campaign with what they have been doing for 70 years on more limited local scales (as demonstrated in Alaska and Iraq and Saudi Arabia and the continental United States --and turn it into a planetary shutdown once they rope in Iraq, Iran, the Phillipines, offshore Africa, Mexico, and Venezuela.

However, its only intentional ignorance that keeps people chained to oil. There are so many other workable alternative choices for energy that is is not even funny--these are studiously repressed under a misuse of the CIA's 1947 national security act:

As Byron Wine's website says, "We don't have an energy problem. We have a political problem."

Oil as their energy choice for everyone is not a requirement at all. It is a political clientelistic infrastructure and nothing more, maintained by mafia like politics and captive consumers kept from other alternatives of technology or infrstruture. The whole recent electric car movie is evidence there, as well as the Ford desire to destroy all their hybrids that the ever-corporate annoying State of California had mandated due to clear air laws. These oil corporations fought it all the way to the Surpreme Court, and then they fought it by implanting Arnold Schwarzenegger as well--though he's taken to riding around in a hybrid of somesort I think...which only amounts to him riding kiddie toys in the center ring of the circus for entertainment, while everyone else stares at the bums of the elephants as before--and are never given a view or use of this choice of technology.

A History Of 52 'New Energy' Technology Invention Suppressions That Demote Consumer Choice
author: Gary Vesperman

permanent batteries; "hydrogen on demand" engines (burning high frequency low amp electric split H2O: two monoatomic hydrogens in an oxygen atmosphere, waste is what you started with--water, once more); nuclear waste remediation technologies; Brazil just went energy sufficient; and more, all supressed.

"In the last two months, there have been three incidents of energy inventors threatened with death by gun-toting thugs....This is the third version of my compilation of specific ENERGY SUPRESSION cases [including NUCLEAR WASTE REMEDIATION SUPRESSION technologies, suppressed by U.S.'s Department of Energy, particularly, in their aegis, Spencer Abraham--who in the recycled Octopus way, is additionally mentioned by Barry Chamish (at the Google Video link above) as involved in all the international money laundering of international narcotics for the U.S. security services and the ex-Israeli Mossad agents, as a bagman].

This time I decided to get serious. I thoroughly reviewed my own files and a few web sites pertaining to energy suppression [and came up with 52 CASES OF ENERGY AND NUCLEAR REMEDIATION TECHNOLOGICAL SUPRESSION]. Deleted were some cases that didn't appear to be authentic suppression. I also incorporated some thoughtful comments that had been emailed to me...."

"Inventors in their zeal to improve the well-being of their fellow inhabitants of Planet Earth face such perils as poverty, slander, ridicule, and neglect. Inventors of energy devices sometimes have also been bullied by large energy-related corporations and allies in the United States Government who seek to maintain their energy slavery....The illegal as well as legal tactics of these suppression actions have encompassed: imprisonment on false charges, IRS harassment, burglaries, bribery with huge sums of money, and even murder....[T]he oil companies will do EVERYTHING in their power to suppress this kind of technology, because it could reduce the gasoline consumption in the U.S. by 76% over a 5-year term. The government will lose mega bucks in gasoline taxes. The major car manufacturers will lose billions spent on the technology of the fuel injection systems, my technology makes theirs obsolete. I put all my patent and shop drawings up on this website..."

Biofuel is a synthetic fuel created by blending starch-based corn and sugar with gasoline. Prices for ethanol in the United States recently hit an all-time high at over $3 a gallon. To hinder competition from ethanol, the oil companies have arranged for the United States to impose a $0.54 cent per gallon tariff on ethanol imports, which keeps prices for the alternative biofuel artificially high. Brazil, which recently became energy self-sufficient in 2006, is the world's largest producer of sugar-based ethanol and would benefit greatly from a tariff reduction in the United States. Apparently it is cheaper and more energy efficient to produce ethanol from sugar cane than corn.

Former US Patent Examiner Thomas Valone, fired for producing a conference in Washington DC on these new energy technologies, claims that there is a vault at the US Patent Office containing over 4,000 patents ordered secret by the government, confiscated from the inventors who are threatened with 20 years in jail if they release the information as per "dual-use" secrecy law uncovered under Freedom of Information Act and reprinted on p.162 of Jeane Manning's book "The Coming Energy Revolution" overviewing various new energy tech inventors.

Isn't it about time we did something to take this situation under public investigation and control, especially motivated by the current Enron fiasco exemplifying the "ethics" of the oil industry and government complicity in "rigging" the energy industry?

Energy Invention Suppression Case Statistics

Number of Energy Invention Suppression Incidents - 53

Number of Dead, Missing, or Injured Energy Inventors, Activists, and Associates - 13
Number of Energy Inventors Threatened with Death - 16
Number of Energy Researchers and Associates Imprisoned - 7
Number of Incidents Involving the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) - 4
Number of Incidents Involving the US Government - 27
Number of Inventions Classified Secret by US Patent Office - Approx. 4000
Number of Incidents Involving Oil Companies - 9

Names of Oil Companies and Banks Involved - Standard, Atlantic Richfield, Shell Oil Company, World Bank, Wells Fargo Bank

Possibly Most Impressive Energy Invention - Philippines Inventor has Converted More than 100 Cars to Run Only on Plain Water!

Inventor Daniel Dingel, who lives in the Philippines, since 1969 has converted more than 100 gasoline cars to be powered by hydrogen derived ON DEMAND from plain water. Aluminum is used in the tank to suppress a possible explosion. The Philippines President is not interested because of an agreement with the World Bank. For a link to a water car movie, see Section 12-G of http://www.byronwine.com/

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Have 3 people been assassinated because of the Cincinnati Group's discovery of a low-energy nuclear transmutation process that can be used, e.g., for radioactive waste remediation?

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In Japan [without its own repressive oil energy regime], inventors are treated as national heroes and are lavishly supported. For example, the Japanese government's annual R&D budget in cold fusion is now $100 million per year (since greatly reduced). In contrast the United States patent office has so far approved only one cold fusion patent application out of 300.

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Bob Stewart spent millions of dollars developing patents on his "Stewart Cycle" engines for transportation vehicles and large-scale water lifters during the 1970's. His efficient and pollution-free engines use ambient heat to expand a working fluid such as ammonia and move pistons through sealed cylinders. He claimed that his low-temperature phase-change engine was more efficient and powerful than Dennis Lee's version. Twice he built a factory, first in Coeur d-Alene, Idaho, and then in Deming, New Mexico to make available for sale such valuable and beneficial technology. Both times, the factories were raided and shut down by the federal Securities and Exchange Commission. Through the Las Vegas area grapevine, he fortunately in time heard that a contract on his life was in effect and had to go into hiding for nearly a year.

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July 20 - 23, 1995, at the International Tesla Society Symposium in Colorado Springs, McClain and Wootan gave a lecture on their magnetic resonance amplifier. The oscilloscope waveforms of output vs. input they showed were very odd. They sort of loop around themselves. A few days after the conference, Wootan's two-year-old boy had been abducted, Wootan was running for his life in Canada, and McClain was in hiding.

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link to www.spiritofmaat.com both list 48 energy inventions - nearly all of which are suppressed or at least not being commercially made and sold.

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In 1940 Henry T. Moray demonstrated before the members of the Public Utilities Commission (in Utah?) his [nonthermodynamic] free energy generator that gave a continuous output of 250,000 volts with no apparent [requirements of a coal corporation investment or profit] input. The next day he was found shot in his lab and all of his notes and device were stolen.

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In May, 1974, John Andrews, a Portugese chemist, demonstrated a [electronically adjusted?] water-to-gas additive before Navy officials which allowed ordinary water to be added to gasoline without decreasing the combustability of the gas and would drive the cost of gasoline down to 2 cents per gallon. When Navy officials finally went to his lab to negotiate for the formula, they found Andrews missing and his lab ransacked.

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Shell Oil Company: Achieves 376.59 MPG with a Modified 1959 Opel in 1973

Shell Oil Company wrote "Fuel Economy of the Gasoline Engine" (ISBN 0-470-99132-1); it was published by John Wiley & Sons, New York, in 1977. On page 42 Shell Oil quotes the President of General Motors who in 1929 predicted 80 MPG by 1939. Between pages 221 (see link to www.byronwine.com ) Shell writes of their achievements: 49.73 MPG around 1939; 149.95 MPG with a 1947 Studebaker in 1949; 244.35 MPG with a 1959 Fiat 600 in 1968; 376.59 MPG with a modified 1959 Opel in 1973

[These oil corporations of course are hardly interested in selling fuel efficiency--only selling oil, which means selling intentionally inefficient technology. General Motors has had corporate interlocks with the oil companies since the 1920s. They make engines have lots of oil profit turnover, instead of simply make engines. Keep that in mind.]

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During the 1950's, Phil Stone, a retired Florida college physics professor, had a patent for a device to run an engine on water. The US government then classified his patent and this prevented him from developing his device. The US Patent Office has unfairly classified 4000 energy patents. Their helpless inventors will be jailed for 20 years if they work on, develop, make, sell, write about, or even simply talk about their inventions.

AND THE HIDDEN ANTI-OIL HISTORY OF FORD'S MODEL T CAR: had housing for magnetic engine, Ford threatned by oil companies to stop it. [Later, Ford wanted to use corn alcohol (and even built factories for it) to help farmers in the Great Depression have a market for their crops as well as to power his Ford cars--outside of the oil companies he hated).

...

William Bolon, Rialto, California, developed an unusual steam engine design in 1971 that was said to get up to 50 miles to the gallon. The engine used only 17 moving parts and weighed less than 50 pounds. It eliminated the usual transmission and drive train in an automobile. After much publicity, the inventor's factory was fire bombed with damages totaling $600,000. Letters to the White House were ignored so the inventor finally gave up and let Indonesian interests have the design.

...

Could it be that powerful people within the US government are implementing covert policies to keep new energy inventions suppressed that would threaten the oil fuel and nuclear power industries? Copious evidence says yes, and that Lantz' troubles really started after he began making new-energy system prototypes for other inventors in 1977 culminating with his 1989 discovery of an [nonthermodynamic] "overunity" energy generation system which combines his System 77 with a ultracentrifuge so the overall device not only purifies any kind of water but also produces sufficient heat to produce megawatts of electricity without any fuel at all, perhaps by "tapping the zero-point energy" with a kind of device the DOE in 1998 called "the Holy Grail of energy research".

How else could it be possible for this bogus fraud case to even be prosecuted after expiration of statute of limitations, with falsified evidence and the apparent collusion of prosecutors who lied and and public defenders who refused to contest the lies and offer documentation of innocence? Why else would Boduncan have brought this "gold certificate scheme" to Lantz as a funding mechanism for his invention? The Lantz Water and Power System was first tested in 1989. It can solve our global energy and water quality problems. And what does he get for it? An unacceptable "deal" offered by prosecutors and pushed by two successive public defenders who each claimed he "would die in jail" unless he took the plea bargain acknowledging guilt and forfeiting his assets (over $100k of that confiscated was not even in his name), a "raw deal" which this War Veteran refuses to accept.

Are we to sit by and let this happen or will concerned citizens and media bring his story out so he can get the legal help he needs to get his bogus conviction reversed, his name cleared and his money back so he can pursue development of his New-Energy System?

NUCLEAR WASTE REMEDIATION TECHNOLOGIES SUPPRESSED

Subject: Remediating Nuclear Waste Materials - UNLV
Dear Mr. Tetreault:

After reading your article in the Review Journal entitled "Nuclear Project Draws Interest," I thought it may be of interest to you to know that the DOE has played this game with university and privately funded laboratories for many years. Perhaps the most comprehensive review of this subject ever undertaken was prepared by Mr. Richard Shamp, President of Nuclear Remediation Technologies, headquartered in Hyattsville, Maryland (301)559-5057. Beginning in 1997, NRT and its chief scientist S-X Jin [once the highest ranked particle physicist in the People's Republic of China, until he escaped to the US in 1994 while addressing the Institute of New Energy symposium in Salt Lake City, Utah] have been submitting critical laboratory documents to DOE, demonstrating the effectiveness of known technologies used to remediate radioactive emissions generated by nuclear fuel waste materials in both solid and liquid form.

After being finessed into providing all the definitive laboratory data to Dr. Frank Goldner of DOE's nuclear remediation division, then-Secretary of DOE Spencer Abraham attempted to confiscate, classify and impound NRT's technology while at the same time pretending to be considering providing grant money to support its continued development. The fact that the technology in question had already been awarded six patents [K. Shoulders et al] was the only thing that prevented him from succeeding.

Instead of providing grant funding, Dr. Goldner [of DOE's nuclear remediation division] was instructed to put an end to NRT's pursuit of DOE funding for the development and deployment of its technologies. And that is precisely what he did.

During a conference call held on November 15, 2003, I was informed by Goldner [of DOE's nuclear remediation division] that not only did DOE not intend to ever provide any funding to anyone for the purpose of remediating radioactive emissions in spent nuclear fuels, he insisted that it is and will continue to be DOE's policy for the next 40 years to encapsulate and bury every ounce of high-grade nuclear waste material stored in the US under ground at [earthquake prone and water leak prone] Yucca Mountain. Further, he told us that [this extends to scientific research repression by the DOE and that] any attempt to obtain any high-level nuclear waste materials for testing by anyone, including government funded laboratories, would be arrested and jailed without access to legal counsel under the Export Administration Act. I still don't know what the EAA has to do with remediating radioactive emissions, but that is what he said.

In 1999, while Elliott Richardson was Secretary of DOE, NRT was awarded a discretionary grant of $2,000,000 for the purpose of advancing its test schedule. The work was to have been undertaken in concert with Dr. George Miley, physicist in residence at the University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana - Dr. Miley's laboratory at the Champaign-Urbana campus was level 2 accredited by DOE, and was therefore acceptable as a test and development site. However, within less than 90 days after the announcement of the grant had been published, pressure from within the Department rose to such extraordinary levels that Secretary Richardson was forced to withdraw the grant, albeit grudgingly.

The only similar technology ever contemporaneously developed in the US for the remediation of radioactive emissions in high-grade nuclear waste materials was developed in the late 1990's by Dr. Paul Brown and his colleagues at World Atomics in Colorado Springs, Colorado. After being granted several patents for the 'Nuclear Spallation Device' he designed, Brown contracted with several Japanese contractors to build three successively powerful prototype versions of his device.

He had them built in Japan because DOE actively intervened more than a dozen times to prevent US companies from building it.

The problem with Brown's device was that it was little more than a small, semi-controlled nuclear fission-powered device designed to continuously bombard nuclear waste material targets with a highly charged gamma ray field. Because it was so dangerous to operate, Brown was never able to obtain the necessary State Department or UN transport clearances to have it shipped across international waters into the US for further testing and development.

As you may recall, [the same] Dr. Brown was killed shortly thereafter under the most questionable of circumstances, just as the utility of his nuclear spallation technique was about to be publicly demonstrated in Japan. (Only a month before he died, Dr. Brown met with me and a few of my business and science associates in Henderson, Nevada to present his method of neutralizing radioactive waste. His method is No. 13 in my list of [U.S. suppressed] methods of neutralizing or disposing of radioactive waste in http://iiic.de/docs/GVComparison.htm .

We have known how to safely remediate radioactive emissions from spent nuclear fuels, both liquid and solid, for nearly a decade.

We have the test data and prototype apparatus to prove it. That data, including all the protocols, policies, procedures and experimental design criteria associated with our work have been submitted to DOE many times over - Dick Shamp can tell you all about it if you want to go to the trouble to ask him - with the net result that DOE will not allow the US Postal Service to deliver our proposals any longer. If you want to see what is really going on with nuclear remediation, this is a very good place to begin.

Thanks for writing your article - you're about to find out how big Pandora's box really is.

[signed] David G. Yurth, Ph.D. Director Science and Technology Nuclear Remediation Technologies, Inc.


---and more. [at the above link]


Back to Palast:

Indeed, you can go to Alaska today and see for yourself the evidence of BP’s care of the wilderness. You can smell it: the crude oil still on the beaches from the Exxon Valdez spill.

Exxon took all the blame for the spill because they were dumb enough to have the company’s name on the ship.

But it was BP’s pipeline managers who filed reports that oil spill containment equipment was sitting right at the site of the grounding near Bligh Island. However, the reports were bogus, the [BP public relations story to greenwash themselves with this] equipment wasn’t there and so the beaches were poisoned.

At the time, our investigators uncovered four-volume’s worth of faked safety reports and concluded that BP was at least as culpable as Exxon for the 1,200 miles of oil-destroyed coastline.

Nevertheless, m’Lord Browne preens himself with his corporation’s environmental record. We know BP cares about nature because they have lots of photos of solar panels in their annual reports — and they’ve painted every one of their gas stations green.

The green paint-job is supposed to represent the oil giant’s love of Mother Nature. But the good Lord, Mr. Browne, knows it stands for the color of the Yankee dollar.

BP claims the profitable timing of its Alaska pipe shutdown can be explained because they’ve only now run a “smart pig” through the pipes to locate the corrosion. The “pig” is an electronic drone that BP should have been using continuously, though they had not done so for 14 years. The fact that, in the middle of an oil crisis, they’ve run it through now, forcing the shutdown, reminds me, when I consider Lord Browne’s closeness to George Bush, that the company’s pig is indeed, very, very smart.


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Greg Palast, an energy economist and investigative reporter, is the author of “Exxon Valdez: A Well-Designed Disaster.” His reports can be seen on BBC Television’s Newsnight, Democracy Now! and in Harper’s Magazine.

The politics of technological repression is required perpetuating this Peak Oil scam dislocation as well.

That's why they've stepped up active threats against such researchers in the past year or so.

9/06/2006 04:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

"The first known specific mention of a butter cow at the fair was in the Des Moines Evening Tribune, Aug. 23, 1911"

The date, of course, is what really cements it. You've got a 23 and a 911 staring you right in the face. How could we have missed it?!?!?!

9/06/2006 12:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apologies. I'm the "anon" above who reposted Jeff's piece from May, 2005. Didn't mean any confusion, but was probably too cute with the "rigor mortis tuition" alteration. Who knew that there's a real website with a similar name.

Anyway, no ulterior motives. I'd spent three days doing a slow freak about this filth (along with many others, from the looks of it), and was trying for some levity, if not levitation. Read Jeff's 2005 posting just as I was coming full circle, from being certain this WASN'T a distraction, to thinking that OF COURSE it was a distraction.

Seems the story has been re-dropped down the Great American Memory Hole, whence someone decided it should be re-plucked.

I felt over Labor Day like I had been microwaved. Biothanatol in the forum noted that attempts to change Wikipedia's RA article are met with fierce resistance, maybe by Son of Gaia. From observing the rapid, numerous changes in the Johnny Gosch article over the weekend, and the absurdly empty Michael Aquino article (contrast it with, say, an article on OK GO), it occurred to me that there might be a plethora of clues about "the opposition" just from perusing the editor lists on those Wiki articles. Undoubtedly, some people just like to correct grammar errors, but the crowd who actively omit and delete useful but controversial information--who are they if not invidious members of a self-appointed Ministry of Truth?

Again, Rain, sorry for any confusion.

9/06/2006 08:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anon.

It's really time for you to get your own website! You are taking up too much space, plus, as important as it is, I'm not here to read voluminous accounts of peak oil. Perhaps that's just why you are hogging up the comment space - a new twist of a disinfo agent.

9/06/2006 09:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My dear anon:

I'm the anon two posts above (8:12). I wasn't the anon posting the peak oil stuff.

Mouse wheels can be set to scroll pretty quickly nowadays, y'know.

Yrs,

Anon

9/06/2006 11:05:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

On the Wikipedian self appointed Mininstry of Truth, I've put back up an article that was completely purged without any discussion and all archieved copies removed on the topic of bioregional democracy:

After reprinting the bioregional democracy article that went down the memory hole at Wikipedia, at this link, I have a little discussion how Wikipedia operates exactly like an Orwellian Ministry of Truth:

"Winston Smith would be facinated how much Wikipedia has come to resemble the Ministry of Truth...."

9/07/2006 06:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark--

Thanks for the link, and the article. Very nice. I would encourage all RIer's to read it.

One small quote:

"It only clenched my suspicions of a "Wikifront" operation when I began to notice a cherrypicking culture of political bias in many "editors" who suspiciously had been "elevated" to cardinal (editorial) rank who came across as Ayn Randite priests--who were actually prideful that they were without any real knowledge to their name or specializations of what they "edited" with gusto for "accuracy." It seemed a very shallow cover desire to crack digital heads."

Google, too, since it's corporate conversion, has relentlessly pushed Wikipedia. Your article is an eye-opener.

9/08/2006 05:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time to arrest Paul Bonacci and charge him with kidnapping & sexually assaulting Johnny Gosch.

He publicly confessed to both, you all understand that - right?

http://surrealitytimes.blogspot.com/

WHEN Johnny Gosch's remains are eventually recovered, he will have been no more than 13 at the time of his death. Count on it.

====

Good point. Might The Gosch be related to the Franklin/Larry King pimp for the elite, rather than Gannon? Maybe the photos are to break open the "kidnapping" and child-sex cases?

9/11/2006 12:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, We have these connections:

Johnny Gosch Kidnapped and raped by Paul Bonacci. Paul Bonacci was "forced him into child pornography" by Lawrence King of Omaha credit union. Lawrence King sang the national anthem at 2 republican conventions and was reportedly the host of several call girl and boy sex parties in Washington attended by the power structure of the nation.


This summary was copied from this web link:

http://library.northernlight.com/BM19990301010044634.html?cb=0&sc=0#doc

Judge makes $1 million award

Summary:

in porn lawsuit A federal judge in Lincoln, Neb., has awarded $1
million to an Omaha man who claimed the former manager of a defunct
Omaha credit union forced him into child pornography years ago.
Senior U.S. District Judge Warren Urbom said the judgment for Paul
Bonacci, 31, was a "fair amount" for mental and physical injuries
Bonacci attributed to Lawrence King.

Source: The Des Moines Register
Date: 02/24/1999
Price: $2.95
Document Size: Very Short (less than 1 page)
Document ID: BM19990301010044634
Subject(s): LOCAL/REGIONAL
Citation Information: Issue: PSA-2292; Metro Iowa Section
Author(s): Santiago Frank
Copyright Holder: 1999, The Des Moines Register
Document Type: Article

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