Friday, September 22, 2006

Too Much Monkey Business



Say one more stupid thing to me
before the final nail is driven in
- Bob Dylan


In celebration of Hugo Chavez belling the devil in his own sanctuary, I watched again Venezuela Bolivariana: People and the Struggle of the 4th World War. If you haven't seen it, or if you've only seen it once, check it out. It does a wonderful job of setting Chavez and the Bolivarian Revolution in the context of Latin America's decades' old appetitite for a scrape with the forces of globalism. There's a wealth of wisdom and inspiration here, in the words of humble people feeling their power for the first time. ("President Bush," says one, "if you want to invade our country, you'll find a people who has a constitution in their hands. And we'll shoot you with a constitution!") This time, it's the words of activist and street performer Roberto Borges that stuck with me. Speaking of the opposition, he says "It's not only the weapon that fires. It's the weapon that seeks to make us idiots, which is the media."

Very briefly, three current examples of how that weapon is deployed against us.

Story: US threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11, in which Pervez Musharraf tells 60 Minutes that "the intelligence director told me that [Richard Armitage] said, 'Be prepared to be bombed. Be prepared to go back to the Stone Age.'" This shouldn't even be a story, as Armitage's threat was reported as early as September 12, 2001 in Deutsche Presse-Agentur. Furthermore, it's only a second-hand account. What is worth reporting is whose hand it was. This unnamed intelligence director was none other than Mahmood Ahmed, Pakistan's 9/11 paymaster, who famously authorized ISI-al Qaeda double agent Omar Saeed Sheikh to wire $100,000 to Mohammed Atta just weeks before the attack. I say "famously," though it is only to us, because it's one of a multitude of facts that create an alternate map of the world that seems to convey a true landscape, but that is so unlike the one which most people have been dulled into accepting they inhabit.

Ahmed, of course, was already in Washington for his high-level meetings on "terrorism," so Armitage didn't have far to travel.

Story: Gosch Photos Tipster Sought, in which West Des Moines police announce they "want to know who sent them a letter telling them the photos delivered to Johnny Gosch's mother were fakes." According to the tipster, the photo of the three bound boys originated in Tampa, and harmlessly depicted kids "challenging each other to an escape contest," but Florida investigator Nelson Zalva has produced nothing to support that flimsy reed.

As I said last week, the most suspicious aspect of the story is the identity and the motivation of the anonymous tipster, who was both closely monitoring the Gosch story and able to direct authorities to a Florida state official who said he knew the pictures were harmless, but couldn't prove it.

Incredibly, predictably, that lead was enough for police to release a statement to the press that the photos could be fake, which much of the press spun as statement of fact. As far as the media were concerned, the photos were debunked before they were properly investigated, and so it looked, for those who sought a reason not to look any further, that it was just more of crazy old Noreen and her conspiracy theories. Noreen, by the way, posted on Thursday that she has now received a death threat. "I must be getting very close to the final answer for someone to take this step," she writes. Zalva, she told 4acloserlook.com, is thought to be close to Jeb Bush.

Story: Skeptic Magazine debunks 9/11 conspiracy theories, in which Phil Molé expends 7,154 words affirming the gullible assumptions of those who wear the false crown of skepticism.

159 words are devoted to the few millions of "put options," ignoring the billions worth in insider trading (including one $5 billion transaction); the sudden resignation on Sept 12, 2001, "effective immediately" and without reason given, of Mayo Shattuck III, head of the Alex Brown unit of Deutsche Bank, which was the principal institution involved in the trades; and the more than $100 million in suspicious transactions on WTC computers during the attacks, and the subsequent supression of their data recovery.

247 words are taken to debunk the "FEMA arrived early" story, ignoring Giuliani's unpublished testimony before the 9/11 commission which confirmed that hundreds of FEMA employees were already on site with equipment for a scheduled bioweapons drill.

334 words are used to say that Flight 93 didn't land at Cleveland. It didn't.

351 words are spent on "stand down," when it's properly understood as a failure to "stand up," since on June 1 2001 discretion to shoot down was taken away from field command and entrusted solely to the Secretary of Defense. An order rescinded shortly after the attacks. The article mentions none of this.

535 words are given to a history lesson in Middle East terror, ignoring the role of the CIA and its regional proxies in funding and training and "stirring up" Muslim extremists.

816 words are spent on the fallacious Pentagon missile strike theory.

1,117 words are devoted to the shallow psychobabble that conspiracy theories are "comforting."

And 3,595 words - half of the total - are spent on demolition theory, attention to which, I've repeatedly said, is a waste of our energies.

But undoubtedly it's mission accomplished for Phil Molé, and Skeptic readers can pride themselves again on their steadfast conventional wisdom. Neither are likely to read Daniel Hopsicker's September 15 report on Wolfgang Bohringer, one of Atta's German "brothers" during his mobbed-up Florida days. They'll never have heard of Bohringer, wouldn't accept as a source something called "Mad Cow Morning News" ("Oh, pleeeease," I can hear their syrupy cry), and so they will never really know Atta.

The weapon has made them idiots. I suggest we follow Boots Riley's advice, and pick a bigger weapon.

122 Comments:

Anonymous judasdisney@yahoo.com said...

Thanks for the "Venezuela Bolivariana" referral.

In Seattle last weekend, I saw Patricio Guzman's biography film "Salvador Allende." Aside from the gullible notion that Allende committed suicide (photographed moments before wearing an army helmet to protect his head that he supposedly blew off himself with soldiers standing by), one of the observations of the film is that "In Chile, the Right Wing always owns the mass-media, and the people have always owned only the blank walls for grafitti to broadcast their message."

Another item of the past 2 days which disturbingly illustrates Jeff's point is UN Ambassador John Bolton's outrageously bogus assertion that "There is no free speech in Venezuela."

This allegation has been disseminated without any documentation (or obvious correction, as it's a lie which is easily exposed by "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised") -- disseminated by the New York Times, Air America, AP, Reuters, CBS, ABC, NBC...

It's out of control.

How can a UN Ambassador spout such a 100% lie without being called on it?

Why haven't Hollywood's multimillionaire producers launched an A-list production of "It Can't Happen Here" or any worthy versions of Orwell's "1984" or "Animal Farm"?

Why are most Americans left unaware of Operation Mockingbird or Operation Northwoods or even a simple bio of FDR?

Why did most of America's guardians of law and jurisprudence let it come to this? How did it get so far out of control?

Our weapon is to keep our own fragile flame alive within ourselves, to hoard information and inspiration while we can, especially from the Internet while it exists, and directly from this wondrous website.

We each need to print out every single Rigorous Intuition essay here, and bind it in hard copy while this website exists.

9/22/2006 06:12:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

The media is an effective weapon because it reinforces communal representations, or the stuff people want to believe to begin with. Truth seekers will have greater impact if their truth comes from within a framework, which at least provides a hint of greater psychic comfort than the dissonance defying conventional rationalizations.

9/22/2006 06:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Uncle $cam said...

Ahhh lets play an old (1980's)game, it's called pac-man , where you do not connect the dots, but you eat them...

The Bushes & the Truth About Iran

Having gone through the diplomatic motions with Iran, George W. Bush is shifting toward a military option that carries severe risks for American soldiers in Iraq as well as for long-term U.S. interests around the world. Yet, despite this looming crisis, the Bush Family continues to withhold key historical facts about U.S.-Iranian relations.

9/22/2006 06:45:00 AM  
Anonymous middleworld said...

Even internet media is biased. Not one word on Huff Post about the Liebold hackable voting machines and the Maryland Republican Governor's call for paper ballots for everyone, everywhere, in the next election. Visit Brad Blog for oustanding independent reporting about our fake democracy that Al Franken liberals eschew for god knows what reason. It does though, remind me of my soccer playing days in high school. A lot of guys want to run around, play some defense, look good in a uniform, but THEY DON"T WANT THE BALL. Chicken shits. After reading this site I realize half of those chicken shits were allowing goals for the other team while doing occult pedophile sex rituals pre and post-game, while the other teams coach and fan-club took pictures.

And I just wanted a win.

9/22/2006 07:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Infernal Optimist said...

"President Bush," says one, "if you want to invade our country, you'll find a people who has a constitution in their hands. And we'll shoot you with a constitution!"

This is hilarious! He'd probably shrivel up like a vampire whacked with a cross.

9/22/2006 08:28:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

There have been a few glitches in the Chavez coverage that deserve some inspection. CNN reported that Chavez had said that Bush "used to be" an alcoholic. Chavez is on record as saying that 911 was an inside job but none of what I've heard recently has repeated that statement.


Chavez may think he has "belled the cat" and the wide circulation that his comments have had will certainly go down as "legacy" material or not. There may not be a legacy. Regardless, it's a pathetic legacy no matter what the outcome.

9/22/2006 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Come on, guys....and gals....let's not forget the gals....not that I don't favor Chavez's message, but do you really think, for a moment, that he would be alive if he wasn't useful in some way to the Purebloods? Same with Fidel? Explain Guantanamo on Cuban Soil yet we are bitter enemies.....without resorting to conventional wisdom.

Nope....they are an opposition that has been granted existence, however ephemeral that existence may be, because it suits a strategic purpose.

I'll let those who care to respond tell us just what that purpose might be.

And to Anony.......I can never "bugger off." Surely, an intelligent and sagely wise individual such as yourself realizes that I am you all, and you all are me. My steely, penetrating prose is now a permanent part of you...whether you like it, or not. Even if I never posted again, my touch has altered your very being.

Oh, and lest I forget, it's Friday Night Smackdown tonight!! Who's getting pumped?? It's what makes Friday's, and life, worthwhile, afterall.

I love you guys...and girls....even the Anony's for whom I feel empathy and compassion.

9/22/2006 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Avi said...

Don't know if this was posted to the forum:

Sit back: you are about to see some UNBELIEVABLE propaganda:

"According to an article carried by Canada Free Press, Muslims in the United States were told to leave, without further warning, by Abu Dawood, one of the newly appointed commanders of the al Qaeda forces in Afghanistan.

“We cannot stop our attack just because of American Muslims…. The American Muslims are like a human shield for our enemy; they must leave New York and Washington.”

Dawood said that the attackers would this time have Western passports and Christian names.

An Al-Qaeda detainee reportedly told U.S. officials, after days of interrogation, that Osama bin Laden was planning to unleash a “nuclear hell storm” in America."

(http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/paul-williams091806.htm).

This was picked up by the American Assoc. of Physicians & Surgeons (Homeland Security and the Physician, doncha know)

http://www.aapsonline.org/nod/newsofday335.php

Sounds like the neoconsters are preparing to go nuclear to get their war with Iran.

That would mean martial law. Not to mention the incineration of hundreds of thousands.

Truly evil.

9/22/2006 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shrub you are a trailblazer.

Chazez will be made
to be a buffoon.
Look at Noriega.

HE DID NOT PLAY BALL ANYMORE WITH THE BOYS.

(His STORY) History shows as much,
though most are f'ing catatonic and subdued with material gratification (empty)
Also being so kept busy.
How come most are so fat stupid and lazy.
Unresponsive to seeing the water getting HOTTER.


Oh, it is friday yippee the boss let me out of my cage.
I bet you wear a tie to work.
I hate those nooses.

Fuck that shit.

Wake up look and discover that we are being told to hate Chazez.

Stupid fat ASS Rangel....

Sorry the ROCKEFELLERS GAVE THE UN THE LAND .

IT IS NOT US PROPERTY.

IT IS INTERNATIONAL.

Peace pot and microdot

9/22/2006 10:46:00 AM  
Anonymous avi said...

Sorry: link to AAPS article is

http://www.aapsonline.org/nod/newsofday335.php

9/22/2006 10:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff opines:

"334 words are used to say that Flight 93 didn't land at Cleveland. It didn't."

Jeff uses merely two words! Far more concise. Still untentable.

"816 words are spent on the fallacious Pentagon missile strike theory."

11 words are expended by Jeff on the topic. Still untenable. Jeff, AA77 was no where near the Pentagon. You're attempting to put big round planes in a small round hole. Besides, depleted uranium was found by the EPA (which is not used on any Boeing 757s [AA77], according to Boeing itself), that means some form of bunker buster hit, perhaps delivered by an ultralight radiocontrolled plane, like (who knows though) a Global Hawk. They hit themselves. The Pentagon as well had to stand down on its own air defenses on the roof. And Rumsfeld disappears to let it happen. Moreover, others smelled "cordite" which is not going to be delivered on anything except bombs already in the building. The staff it destroyed in that wing were most the paperwork and civilian accountants who were all destroyed and killed to make the 3 trillion lost difficult to track. (Same rationale for destroying all the big banker financial fraud court cases (among them against Morgan Stanley for gold price manipulation, in league with several other banks, attempting to keep their paper money afloat, I believe) stored in the WTC7).

"And 3,595 words - half of the total - are spent on demolition theory, attention to which, I've repeatedly said, is a waste of our energies."

24 words are expended by Jeff to once more, without any evidence why he wants to ignore [1] thermate, [2] Silverstein's admittal, [3] the LARGEST money trail (Silverstein has already collected 500 million on only the WTC7, wants billions more from the 'terror insurance' he packed in quickly right after his WTC buy-up six or seven weeks beforehand), all of which are a dead ringer of a case of proof of controlled demolitions given so many more corroborating information about money laundering and whatnot packed into the larger operation.

Besides if they spend so much time on the controlled demolition "debunking" it is the most scary topic for "them" because they know its true. How anyone can still have skepticism or even fake skepticism (which as Jeff said above can indeed play or prey on the gullible, and you, sir, are playing that same game here if you read yourself) about the controlled demolition is beyond me.

And thanks for the movie links as well.

However, it would be interesting to know why some U.S. e-vote machines are coming from a Venezuelan holding company...

I wouldn't put it past the globalists to set up a novel divide and conquer on a global left and right like they have done before, encouraging Chavez to consolidate all sort of things
(he recently opined that all of South America should have a central bank, interesting!), when a true revolution would be decentralization of these things so people would be able to have a control on it, instead of anonymous central groups in charge of the bank or of a revolution--which as history has shown*, elite revolutionaries and elite bankers are one in the same.

*(Fed Reserve, Soviet Central Bank with New York City personnel; post WWI Central banker in Gemrany Rathanau, who destroyed the currency intentionally)

9/22/2006 10:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chavez wouldn't exist for a minute if his "handlers" didn't want it so.

Wake up people! He was holding up a book by Noam Chomsky for Gods sake....

DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!!!

9/22/2006 11:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Here's a Greg Palast interview with Chavez:
http://ia300211.us.archive.org/1/items/bolivars_20060612/bolivars_20060612_256kb.mov

& this, also from Mr. Palast:


You'd think George Bush would get down on his knees and kiss Hugo Chavez's behind. Not only has Chavez delivered cheap oil to the Bronx and other poor communities in the United States. And not only did he offer to bring aid to the victims of Katrina. In my interview with the president of Venezuela on March 28, he made Bush the following astonishing offer: Chavez would drop the price of oil to $50 a barrel, "not too high, a fair price," he said -- a third less than the $75 a barrel for oil recently posted on the spot market. That would bring down the price at the pump by about a buck, from $3 to $2 a gallon.

But our President has basically told Chavez to take his cheaper oil and stick it up his pipeline. Before I explain why Bush has done so, let me explain why Chavez has the power to pull it off -- and the method in the seeming madness of his "take-my-oil-please!" deal.

Venezuela, Chavez told me, has more oil than Saudi Arabia. A nutty boast? Not by a long shot. In fact, his surprising claim comes from a most surprising source: the U.S. Department of Energy. In an internal report, the DOE estimates that Venezuela has five times the Saudis' reserves. However, most of Venezuela's mega-horde of crude is in the More...form of "extra-heavy" oil -- liquid asphalt -- which is ghastly expensive to pull up and refine. Oil has to sell above $30 a barrel to make the investment in extra-heavy oil worthwhile. A big dip in oil's price -- and, after all, oil cost only $18 a barrel six years ago -- would bankrupt heavy-oil investors. Hence Chavez's offer: Drop the price to $50 -- and keep it there. That would guarantee Venezuela's investment in heavy oil.

But the ascendance of Venezuela within OPEC necessarily means the decline of the power of the House of Saud. And the Bush family wouldn't like that one bit. It comes down to "petro-dollars." When George W. ferried then-Crown Prince (now King) Abdullah of Saudi Arabia around the Crawford ranch in a golf cart it wasn't because America needs Arabian oil. The Saudis will always sell us their petroleum. What Bush needs is Saudi petro-dollars. Saudi Arabia has, over the past three decades, kindly recycled the cash sucked from the wallets of American SUV owners and sent much of the loot right back to New York to buy U.S. Treasury bills and other U.S. assets.

The Gulf potentates understand that in return for lending the U.S. Treasury the cash to fund George Bush's $2 trillion rise in the nation's debt, they receive protection in return. They lend us petro-dollars, we lend them the 82nd Airborne.

Chavez would put an end to all that. He'll sell us oil relatively cheaply -- but intends to keep the petro-dollars in Latin America. Recently, Chavez withdrew $20 billion from the U.S. Federal Reserve and, at the same time, lent or committed a like sum to Argentina, Ecuador, and other Latin American nations.

Chavez, notes The Wall Street Journal, has become a "tropical IMF." And indeed, as the Venezuelan president told me, he wants to abolish the Washington-based International Monetary Fund, with its brutal free-market diktats, and replace it with an "International Humanitarian Fund," an IHF, or more accurately, an International Hugo Fund. In addition, Chavez wants OPEC to officially recognize Venezuela as the cartel's reserve leader, which neither the Saudis nor Bush will take kindly to.

Politically, Venezuela is torn in two. Chavez's "Bolivarian Revolution," a close replica of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal—a progressive income tax, public works, social security, cheap electricity -- makes him wildly popular with the poor. And most Venezuelans are poor. His critics, a four-centuries' old white elite, unused to sharing oil wealth, portray him as a Castro-hugging anti-Christ.

Chavez's government, which used to brush off these critics, has turned aggressive on them. I challenged Chavez several times over charges brought against Sumate, his main opposition group. The two founders of the nongovernmental organization, which led the recall campaign against Chavez, face eight years in prison for taking money from the Bush Administration and the International Republican [Party] Institute. No nation permits foreign funding of political campaigns, but the charges (no one is in jail) seem like a heavy hammer to use on the minor infractions of these pathetic gadflies.

Bush's reaction to Chavez has been a mix of hostility and provocation. Washington supported the coup attempt against Chavez in 2002, and Condoleezza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld have repeatedly denounced him. The revised National Security Strategy of the United States of America, released in March, says, "In Venezuela, a demagogue awash in oil money is undermining democracy and seeking to destabilize the region."

So when the Reverend Pat Robertson, a Bush ally, told his faithful in August 2005 that Chavez has to go, it was not unreasonable to assume that he was articulating an Administration wish. "If he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him," Robertson said, "I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war . . . and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."

There are only two ways to defeat the rise of Chavez as the New Abdullah of the Americas. First, the unattractive option: Cut the price of oil below $30 a barrel. That would make Chavez's crude worthless. Or, option two: Kill him.

Q: Your opponents are saying that you are beginning a slow-motion dictatorship. Is that what we are seeing?

Hugo Chavez: They have been saying that for a long time. When they're short of ideas, any excuse will do as a vehicle for lies. That is totally false. I would like to invite the citizens of Great Britain and the citizens of the U.S. and the citizens of the world to come here and walk freely through the streets of Venezuela, to talk to anyone they want, to watch television, to read the papers. We are building a true democracy, with human rights for everyone, social rights, education, health care, pensions, social security, and jobs.

Q: Some of your opponents are being charged with the crime of taking money from George Bush. Will you send them to jail?

Chavez: It's not up to me to decide that. We have the institutions that do that. These people have admitted they have received money from the government of the United States. It's up to the prosecutors to decide what to do, but the truth is that we can't allow the U.S. to finance the destabilization of our country. What would happen if we financed somebody in the U.S. to destabilize the government of George Bush? They would go to prison, certainly.

Q: How do you respond to Bush's charge that you are destabilizing the region and interfering in the elections of other Latin American countries?

Chavez: Mr. Bush is an illegitimate President. In Florida, his brother Jeb deleted many black voters from the electoral registers. So this President is the result of a fraud. Not only that, he is also currently applying a dictatorship in the U.S. People can be put in jail without being charged. They tap phones without court orders. They check what books people take out of public libraries. They arrested Cindy Sheehan because of a T-shirt she was wearing demanding the return of the troops from Iraq. They abuse blacks and Latinos. And if we are going to talk about meddling in other countries, then the U.S. is the champion of meddling in other people's affairs. They invaded Guatemala, they overthrew Salvador Allende, invaded Panama and the Dominican Republic. They were involved in the coup d'etat in Argentina thirty years ago.

Q: Is the U.S. interfering in your elections here?

Chavez: They have interfered for 200 years. They have tried to prevent us from winning the elections, they supported the coup d'etat, they gave millions of dollars to the coup plotters, they supported the media, newspapers, outlaw movements, military intervention, and espionage. But here the empire is finished, and I believe that before the end of this century, it will be finished in the rest of the world. We will see the burial of the empire of the eagle.

Q: You don't interfere in the elections of other nations in Latin America?

Chavez: Absolutely not. I concern myself with Venezuela. However, what's going on now is that some rightwing movements are transforming me into a pawn in the domestic politics of their countries, by making statements that are groundless. About candidates like Morales [of Bolivia], for example. They said I financed the candidacy of President Lula [of Brazil], which is totally false. They said I financed the candidacy of Kirchner [of Argentina], which is totally false. In Mexico, recently, the rightwing party has used my image for its own profit. What’s happened is that in Latin America there is a turn to the left. Latin Americans have gotten tired of the Washington consensus -- a neoliberalism that has aggravated misery and poverty.

Q: You have spent millions of dollars of your nation's oil wealth throughout Latin America. Are you really helping these other nations or are you simply buying political support for your regime?

Chavez: We are brothers and sisters. That's one of the reasons for the wrath of the empire. You know that Venezuela has the biggest oil reserves in the world. And the biggest gas reserves in this hemisphere, the eighth in the world. Up until seven years ago, Venezuela was a U.S. oil colony. All of our oil was going up to the north, and the gas was being used by the U.S. and not by us. Now we are diversifying. Our oil is helping the poor. We are selling to the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Cuba, some Central American countries, Uruguay, Argentina.

Q: And the Bronx?

Chavez: In the Bronx it is a donation. In all the cases I just mentioned before, it is trade. However, it's not free trade, just fair commerce. We also have an international humanitarian fund as a result of oil revenues.

Q: Why did George Bush turn down your help for New Orleans after the hurricane?

Chavez: You should ask him, but from the very beginning of the terrible disaster of Katrina, our people in the U.S., like the president of CITGO, went to New Orleans to rescue people. We were in close contact by phone with Jesse Jackson. We hired buses. We got food and water. We tried to protect them; they are our brothers and sisters. Doesn't matter if they are African, Asian, Cuban, whatever.

Q: Are you replacing the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund as "Daddy Big Bucks"?

Chavez: I do wish that the IMF and the World Bank would disappear soon.

Q: And it would be the Bank of Hugo?

Chavez: No. The International Humanitarian Bank. We are just creating an alternative way to conduct financial exchange. It is based on cooperation. For example, we send oil to Uruguay for their refinery and they are paying us with cows.

Q: Milk for oil.

Chavez: That's right. Milk for oil. The Argentineans also pay us with cows. And they give us medical equipment to combat cancer. It's a transfer of technology. We also exchange oil for software technology. Uruguay is one of the biggest producers of software. We are breaking with the neoliberal model. We do not believe in free trade. We believe in fair trade and exchange, not competition but cooperation. I'm not giving away oil for free. Just using oil, first to benefit our people, to relieve poverty. For a hundred years we have been one of the largest oil-producing countries in the world but with a 60 percent poverty rate and now we are canceling the historical debt.

Q: Speaking of the free market, you've demanded back taxes from U.S. oil companies. You have eliminated contracts for North American, British, and European oil companies. Are you trying to slice out the British and American oil companies from Venezuela?

Chavez: No, we don't want them to go, and I don't think they want to leave the country, either. We need each other. It's simply that we have recovered our oil sovereignty. They didn’t pay taxes. They didn't pay royalties. They didn't give an account of their actions to the government. They had more land than had previously been established in the contracts. They didn't comply with the agreed technology exchange. They polluted the environment and didn't pay anything towards the cleanup. They now have to comply with the law.

Q: You've said that you imagine the price of oil rising to $100 dollars per barrel. Are you going to use your new oil wealth to squeeze the planet?

Chavez: No, no. We have no intention of squeezing anyone. Now, we have been squeezed and very hard. Five hundred years of squeezing us and stifling us, the people of the South. I do believe that demand is increasing and supply is dropping and the large reservoirs are running out. But it's not our fault. In the future, there must be an agreement between the large consumers and the large producers.

Q: What happens when the oil money runs out, what happens when the price of oil falls as it always does? Will the
Bolivarian revolution of Hugo Chavez simply collapse because there's no money to pay for the big free ride?

Chavez: I don't think it will collapse, in the unlikely case of oil running out today. The revolution will survive. It does not rely solely on oil for its survival. There is a national will, there is a national idea, a national project. However, we are today implementing a strategic program called the Oil Sowing Plan: using oil wealth so Venezuela can become an agricultural country, a tourist destination, an industrialized country with a diversified economy. We are investing billions of dollars in the infrastructure: power generators using thermal energy, a large railway, roads, highways, new towns, new universities, new schools, recuperating land, building tractors, and giving loans to farmers. One day we won't have any more oil, but that will be in the twenty-second century. Venezuela has oil for another 200 years.

Q: But the revolution can come to an end if there's another coup and it succeeds. Do you believe Bush is still trying to overthrow your government?

Chavez: He would like to, but what you want is one thing, and what you cannot really obtain is another.

9/22/2006 11:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

http://www.registerguard.com/news/2006/09/19/ed.col.millegan.0919.p1.php?section=opinion

GUEST VIEWPOINT

Americans have a duty to question government

By Kris Millegan
Published: Tuesday, September 19, 2006

The Register-Guard's Sept. 11 editorial about folks questioning the official history of Sept. 11 was headlined "The unbelievers." When did the story of Sept. 11 become a religious one, requiring belief?

It is healthy to question an official story that has been used as the constant drumbeat to unconstitutionally unleash the dogs of war and initiate secret and open repression at home, all the while accompanied by a barrage of mistruth, mistakes and misdeeds from a tenuously elected administration.

That there are those who question the official story at least shows that our republic may yet still have some life in it, and that because of such dissent, someday, we may actually have an understanding of what happened on that fateful day. For as Albert Einstein said, "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."

As one who has prevailed in U.S. District Court in a case pitting an official story against what really happened, and as a son of a repentant CIA branch chief, I can say with some conviction that the official story is not always what it's cracked up to be. Many times the official story may be easier for us to understand, easier for us to digest, easier for us to believe - but that does not make it true.

And we, as a people - the people of whom Abraham Lincoln said, "... you cannot fool all of the people all of the time" - have a right and duty to question the official story. Not to be simply ignored or derided and marginalized as "nuts" and "conspiracy theorists."

Time has shown that many official versions of historical events have been exposed to be falsehoods. Some have even been used as casus belli: the explosive sinking of the USS Maine, whose "Remember the Maine" became the rallying cry for the Spanish-American War; the infamous Gulf of Tonkin incident that sparked the Vietnam War; the false congressional testimony about Iraqis snatching babies from incubators in Kuwait during the run-up to the first gulf war; and the non-existent weapons of mass destruction of our current fiasco.

The official "history" of Sept. 11 is, itself, a conspiracy theory, with several competing official versions, including the politically contrived 9/11 Commission Report. Sept. 11 has been waved like the proverbial bloody shirt, compelling our compassion, demanding unwavering obedience, spreading unnerving terror - and decimating our democratic checks and balances.

As President Woodrow Wilson said, "No one who has read official documents needs to be told how easy it is to conceal the essential truth... ." And as he also noted, "... all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world - no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men... ."

And that domination has seemingly become much worse in the 80-plus years since those words were penned. In sociology, there is current research into a human behavior called "elite deviance" which posits that there are elites who see themselves as above the law.

From "Elite Deviance," by David Simon:

"Because of the Vietnam conflict, Watergate, the Iran/Contra scandal, the S&L bailout, and numerous recent incidents involving corporate and governmental wrongdoings, elite deviance has become a major public concern. Closer examination reveals that the deviant acts of economic and political elites are not random events. They are related to the very structure of wealth and power in the United States and to the processes that maintain such structures.

"Moreover, aside from being illegal or unethical, elite deviance has several basic characteristics:

"1) It occurs because it furthers the goals of economic and political organizations - namely, the maintenance or increase of profit and/or power.

"2) It is committed with the support of the elites who head such organizations. Such support may be open and active, or covert and implied.

"3) It may be committed either by elites and/or employees acting on their behalf."

With billions of taxpayers' dollars currently being spent on black operations such as the Defense Department's Proactive and Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG), where covert operations using Special Forces and psychological warfare experts are designed to "stimulate reactions" from terrorist groups, which could then lead to a "counterattack" by the U.S. military, there are many reasons to question the "day America changed."

Are not our liberty, freedom and children's future worth a few questions?

Kris Millegan of Walterville is publisher of TrineDay.

9/22/2006 11:10:00 AM  
Anonymous postrchild said...

Why is it that "less civilized" or more "indigenous" societies always have the sense to do what most Americans pride themselves on, but never quite accomplish, which is to KNOW the virtues of liberty and justice. America is leading the civilized world in apathy and welcome-mat fascism! I truly believe that it IS the media. All of it. Anything that comes thru that brain/soul sucking box that lights up every good American's living room. Hell I heard stories of people spending their Katrina checks on plasma screens at best buy!

I know most of you would never lower yourselves to listen to hip hop, because almost everyone confuses it with Rap, which lends itself ever so frequently to misogyny, violence and drugs. Hip hop on the other hand is an expressive art form that can convey many messages...in saying this there is a great artist by the name of Aesop Rock. He covers alot of topics but this one applies here. He does a song about TV called Cable Pirate
heres a sample:

Televison, all hail grand pixelated God of fantasy, murderscape and perspective, fuck a sore channel change digit, I sit with nasty network intreveinous plan with a stable diet of my cable pirate...Yo the Doctor is in, the doctor is on, born a bastard son of static radiance clone to welcome in every home, let a blue screen bruised dream canopy, victim of the cursed nurse technicolor drunk support team, ooh I love all advertisements, accused by robot newscasters capture and pollute spoon fed hazardous fog to joy-luck catholic squads, please take me, please calm me, please make me stop it, please I want to donate my brain to the monstrous Panasonic profit, Now 21st century plague dispersed the wide eyed glamauor adaptations, telecast patrons, lure me to propaganda banners, well Sure I'll be a Marine, w/ clean sword and blue uniform, it only takes a dollar and a dream....and I abide great idiot box power supply fuzz vapor, BLACK OUT IN NY, "Hey honey, get the generator", I'm in a doomed doomed generation pacin, ancient electric secret never sleepin to miss the AM oasis, a wide heart sloppy obligation, turned my stilts into my guilt, and have a chatterbox blame frame adjacent station, and make reality scramble to suck the life out of a hidden vandal, and lovin every minute of the gimmick, CHANGE THE CHANNEL....
(HOOK)
Plug it in turn it on,prop me up against the couch, lights out!, I aint ever gonna have to leave my house, sattelite dish kit upon my wishlist, turn me into a tyrant,let my clean spirit dissolve in the appliance,
Plug it in turn it on, be my Mother when she's gone, GREAT wipe the spittle off my chinny chin chin during the breaks, cuz if I gotta go blind, I'll do it for the love of all television kind and thats fine! (sarcasm?)

9/22/2006 11:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Wake up look and discover that we are being told to hate Chazez.

Actually, we are being told to love and hate him.....and to ignore the man behind the curtain.

9/22/2006 11:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I would like to invite the citizens of Great Britain and the citizens of the U.S. and the citizens of the world to come here and walk freely through the streets of Venezuela, to talk to anyone they want, to watch television, to read the papers.

And, so, Mike Ruppert did. Who'll be next?

9/22/2006 11:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

That there are those who question the official story at least shows that our republic may yet still have some life in it...

And, yet, that's exactly what allows the debauchery to continue.....the lingering and delusional hope levied upon a fabricated perception of a Democratic Republic.

Let us die peacefully, and in full awareness, so we may be reborn with a thundering crash....or, perhaps, we should exist no more....and the Universe can breath easily....once again.

9/22/2006 11:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

And, speaking of weapons.....you want to know how to push the Pureblood Pricks to the Precipace, once and for all? No, you don't need any weapons......you just have to refuse to be their's.

Soldiers......lay down your arms and go home to your loved ones. Corporate Bureaucrats.....all together now, stand up and walk away from your cubicle and tell Upper Management to go fuck themselves.

There are countless other examples of how we are used as weapons against ourselves....but the point remains, once we wake up, if ever, and collectively realize that we are being used as weapons and just say NO, is the day we die, and the day we celebrate the Year One.

9/22/2006 11:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Sorry, I misspelled precipice.....so please discount everything I said, and have ever said.

Tomorrow's Date Night.....nice cozy little French Restaurant......good (and lots of) wine and snails in butter.

That's what I'm talking about!!!

9/22/2006 12:05:00 PM  
Anonymous postrchild said...

Glad to see you back Shrubbsy....misnomers and all. I was startin to think they had finally gotten you into that oven you were talkin about...was it Kenmore or Amanna? LOL....j/k. Looks like the trolls are finally STFU.... I am never this high in the postings....

9/22/2006 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Thanks, Child of The Post...it's great to be back. In fact, I feel as though I'd never left......and maybe I didn't...one never knows about these things.

If an oven is the way I must go, then I hope it's a good wood burning one....you know the kind...the ones they use to make that Great New York Pizza.

I'll go out in style and taste.....Shrubageddon Margherita.

Fuck that empathy as a weapon....there's no better weapon than Irreverent Humor...especially when it's part of your nature...like a scorpion's impulse to sting.

9/22/2006 12:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

WASHINGTON -
President Bush said Friday he was "taken aback" by a purported U.S. threat to bomb Pakistan back to the Stone Age if it did not cooperate in the fight against terrorism after the Sept. 11 attacks.

He praised Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf for being one of the first foreign leaders to come out after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to stand with the U.S. to "help root out an enemy."

At a joint White House news conference, Musharraf said a peace treaty between his government and tribes along the Pakistan-
Afghanistan border is not meant to support the Taliban.

He said news reports had mischaracterized the deals. "The deal is not at all with the Taliban. This deal is against the Taliban. This deal is with the tribal elders," Musharraf said.

Said Bush: "I believe him."

He said that Musharraf had looked him in the eye and vowed that "the tribal deal is intended to reject the Talibanization of the people and that there won't be a Taliban and there won't be al-Aqaida (in Pakistan)."

*************************************************

The "Talibanization of the people?"

Isn't a politician who can't speak a bit like a plumber who can't use a pipe wrench?
Why would anyone sane hire either one?

9/22/2006 01:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Lakshmi said...

"Who needs publicists and expensive advertising campaigns when you have Hugo Chavez plugging your books? When Venezuela's leader spoke at the UN this week and described George Bush as the Devil, he also gave a resounding boost to a book by another outspoken critic of the US President, Noam Chomsky.

After Mr Chavez recommended that anyone wishing to understand "what has been happening in the world through the 20th century" read Professor Chomsky's 2003 work, Hegemony and Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance, sales of the book soared. On Amazon.com's best-seller list, it leapt from 160,722nd position overnight to seventh."
(the Guardian)

9/22/2006 02:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Thanks, Lakshmi....it just goes to show...it's all, and we're all food for The Beast.

By the way, please tell your colleagues at NPR to quit serving up the Soft Batch Pentagon Version of Foreign Relations News. Otherwise, I like the way you say your name when announcing yourself on air.....I even find myself imitating it, on occasion.

9/22/2006 02:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hardly the typical form email you get, I was impressed. I thought I would share. This is from "Mother Media" group.

A Few Good Kings and Queens
by Leland Lehrman

One of the most dangerous legends of American history is that democracy is in and of itself a just system, and that it replaced a system that was in and of itself unjust: the sovereign right of kings.

In order to understand why we have accepted the myth of the inherently just "democracy," we have to understand the history of the change from monarchical systems to democratic ones, and we alo have to understand the way ruling elites have manipulated the public's perception of the various systems of government in order to legitimate their continuing control of the resources and people of Earth.

In a nutshell, here's what happened:

Throughout recorded history, the war between love and hatred has been fought over access to the throne of rulership. It was understood that the nature of the ruler's personality represented the nature of his or her rule. Good rulers led the people to heights of achievement, art and joyous celebration and protected them from lawlessness and evildoers. Bad ones did just the opposite. For a long time, the struggle went back and forth, until as medieval times came to an end, both the royal families of western civilization and their scheming advisers and financiers essentially trashed the legacy of the Good King and Queen and left the way open for the permanent destruction of the notion of personal sovereignty.

The gradual disapperance of decency, mercy and true nobility within the western aristocracy was certainly a major problem. However, this problem was then compounded by the destruction of the very idea of nobility and personal sovereignty and the submersion of individual rights and honors into the "democratic state." The vaunted and celebrated institution of democracy has now brought us the long-feared tyranny of the majority and its paradoxical police-state apparatus such as the Patriot Act and Homeland Security, not to mention the evils "democracy" perpetrates worldwide in our name.

In 2008, Americans will finally be forced to accept the dreaded satellite-trackable internal passport masquerading as a "Real ID," and our conversion to a Nazi-Communist style police state will be complete.

Or will it?

The Marines might be looking for a few good men, but I'm looking for a few Good Kings and Queens.

When was the last time you read a fairy tale about Senators or Congressmen, or even Presidents or Prime Ministers? I've never read one in my life, and there's a reason for that. Deep in the psyche of the human being, we recognize the ideal of the King or Queen as the pinnacle of human achievement representing the matured relationship between God and Human. Just because Kings and Queens in the past have desecrated even the very words themselves does not mean that we cannot revitalize this divine relationship between Human and God. We must restore to each person their nobility and their right to true freedom, independent of the apparatus of our burgeoning Luciferian World Super State.

The other objection to personal sovereignty is that inevitably, someone else will be king and it won't be you. That's why we all agreed that "equality" was better in the first place. But in a loving future, there won't be just one king or queen, we'll all be kings and queens. But don't be complacent about it, because the true measure of a King or Queen is the service they give to their community. And, not surprisingly, the same was always true of the indigenous chieftain or clan leader.

Much has been made of the Illuminati, the infamous secret society said to control the world. But in fact, it was a real organization, founded in 1776 by one Adam Weishaupt and dedicated to rational secular humanism and the overthrow of the religious and aristocratic control of Europe and the Western world. President George Washington thought it an evil organization dedicated to the destruction of Godly society. Thomas Jefferson, on the other hand, considered it an extension of the Reformation and Enlightenment and a necessary counterpoint to the well-known and detested excesses of the church and aristocracy of the time.

Although the Illuminati were officially bannned in 1784 and their subsequent dispersal is well-documented, their dreams came to fruition with the victory of the American Colonies in 1783 and the French Revolution several years later.

But what has never been fully appreciated by modern Americans is that the Masonic organizations in which the Illuminati flourished were populated largely by international bankers, minor nobles and social climbers who wanted nothing more than to replace the aristocracy of the time with themselves.

To this end, they employed the ideology of Liberty, Fraternity and Equality such that the common man would help them overthrow the established order. But what the common man failed to notice, was that when the established order was overthrown, only the names and titles of the ruling families were changed. Kings were now known as Presidents, Prime Ministers or Chairmen of the Federal Reserve and nobles were now called Congressmen or Members of Parliament.

In support of this position, I quote insider Carroll Quigley, President Clinton's mentor at Georgetown, from his famous book "Tragedy and Hope":

"The men who did this…aspired to establish dynasties of international bankers and were at least as successful at this as were many of the dynastic political rulers." p. 51

In recent years I have learned that there is in fact a growing "Sovereignty movement" in the United States.

"Sovereigns" as they call themselves, have legally renounced their contract with the United States of America and neither pay taxes nor use Social Security numbers. This is certainly inconvenient in modern America, but I can understand these patriotic Americans who have recognized the importance once again of personal sovereignty. May they grow in number and flourish.

For more information on "Sovereignty" please see http://www.buildfreedom.com/sovmain.htm
To understand the dangers of the "Real ID" card, please see http://www.freedomtofascism.com

9/22/2006 03:03:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Ah, but my good Shrub, the soul of irreverence is empathy, not for the target of the irreverent "attack," but for the victims of the victim, if you see what I mean. Take, for example, Terry Jones--who could be more irreverent? In two of his more famous Bush-years pieces he displays such a consistent solidarity with the victims of BushCo's policies that the irreverence in which he couches his attacks becomes a vehicle for empathy. In I'm losing patience with my neighbours, Mr Bush, Jones dissects the logic of the War On Terror:

I'm really excited by George Bush's latest reason for bombing Iraq: he's running out of patience. And so am I!

For some time now I've been really pissed off with Mr Johnson, who lives a couple of doors down the street. Well, him and Mr Patel, who runs the health food shop. They both give me queer looks, and I'm sure Mr Johnson is planning something nasty for me, but so far I haven't been able to discover what. I've been round to his place a few times to see what he's up to, but he's got everything well hidden. That's how devious he is.

As for Mr Patel, don't ask me how I know, I just know - from very good sources - that he is, in reality, a Mass Murderer. I have leafleted the street telling them that if we don't act first, he'll pick us off one by one.

Some of my neighbours say, if I've got proof, why don't I go to the police? But that's simply ridiculous. The police will say that they need evidence of a crime with which to charge my neighbours.

They'll come up with endless red tape and quibbling about the rights and wrongs of a pre-emptive strike and all the while Mr Johnson will be finalising his plans to do terrible things to me, while Mr Patel will be secretly murdering people. Since I'm the only one in the street with a decent range of automatic firearms, I reckon it's up to me to keep the peace. But until recently that's been a little difficult. Now, however, George W. Bush has made it clear that all I need to do is run out of patience, and then I can wade in and do whatever I want!

And let's face it, Mr Bush's carefully thought-out policy towards Iraq is the only way to bring about international peace and security. The one certain way to stop Muslim fundamentalist suicide bombers targeting the US or the UK is to bomb a few Muslim countries that have never threatened us.

That's why I want to blow up Mr Johnson's garage and kill his wife and children. Strike first! That'll teach him a lesson. Then he'll leave us in peace and stop peering at me in that totally unacceptable way.

Mr Bush makes it clear that all he needs to know before bombing Iraq is that Saddam is a really nasty man and that he has weapons of mass destruction - even if no one can find them. I'm certain I've just as much justification for killing Mr Johnson's wife and children as Mr Bush has for bombing Iraq.

Mr Bush's long-term aim is to make the world a safer place by eliminating 'rogue states' and 'terrorism'. It's such a clever long-term aim because how can you ever know when you've achieved it? How will Mr Bush know when he's wiped out all terrorists? When every single terrorist is dead? But then a terrorist is only a terrorist once he's committed an act of terror. What about would-be terrorists? These are the ones you really want to eliminate, since most of the known terrorists, being suicide bombers, have already eliminated themselves.

Perhaps Mr Bush needs to wipe out everyone who could possibly be a future terrorist? Maybe he can't be sure he's achieved his objective until every Muslim fundamentalist is dead? But then some moderate Muslims might convert to fundamentalism. Maybe the only really safe thing to do would be for Mr Bush to eliminate all Muslims?

It's the same in my street. Mr Johnson and Mr Patel are just the tip of the iceberg. There are dozens of other people in the street who I don't like and who - quite frankly - look at me in odd ways. No one will be really safe until I've wiped them all out.

My wife says I might be going too far but I tell her I'm simply using the same logic as the President of the United States. That shuts her up.

Like Mr Bush, I've run out of patience, and if that's a good enough reason for the President, it's good enough for me. I'm going to give the whole street two weeks - no, 10 days - to come out in the open and hand over all aliens and interplanetary hijackers, galactic outlaws and interstellar terrorist masterminds, and if they don't hand them over nicely and say 'Thank you', I'm going to bomb the entire street to kingdom come.


The empathy is even more grueling in Let them eat bombs (The doubling of child malnutrition in Iraq is baffling...)

A report to the UN human rights commission in Geneva has concluded that Iraqi children were actually better off under Saddam Hussein than they are now.

This, of course, comes as a bitter blow for all those of us who, like George Bush and Tony Blair, honestly believe that children thrive best when we drop bombs on them from a great height, destroy their cities and blow up hospitals, schools and power stations.

It now appears that, far from improving the quality of life for Iraqi youngsters, the US-led military assault on Iraq has inexplicably doubled the number of children under five suffering from malnutrition. Under Saddam, about 4% of children under five were going hungry, whereas by the end of last year almost 8% were suffering.

These results are even more disheartening for those of us in the Department of Making Things Better for Children in the Middle East By Military Force, since the previous attempts by Britain and America to improve the lot of Iraqi children also proved disappointing. For example, the policy of applying the most draconian sanctions in living memory totally failed to improve conditions. After they were imposed in 1990, the number of children under five who died increased by a factor of six. By 1995 something like half a million Iraqi children were dead as a result of our efforts to help them.

A year later, Madeleine Albright, then the US ambassador to the United Nations, tried to put a brave face on it. When a TV interviewer remarked that more children had died in Iraq through sanctions than were killed in Hiroshima, Mrs Albright famously replied: "We think the price is worth it."

But clearly George Bush didn't. So he hit on the idea of bombing them instead. And not just bombing, but capturing and torturing their fathers, humiliating their mothers, shooting at them from road blocks - but none of it seems to do any good. Iraqi children simply refuse to be better nourished, healthier and less inclined to die. It is truly baffling.

And this is why we at the department are appealing to you - the general public - for ideas. If you can think of any other military techniques that we have so far failed to apply to the children of Iraq, please let us know as a matter of urgency. We assure you that, under our present leadership, there is no limit to the amount of money we are prepared to invest in a military solution to the problems of Iraqi children.

In the UK there may now be 3.6 million children living below the poverty line, and 12.9 million in the US, with no prospect of either government finding any cash to change that. But surely this is a price worth paying, if it means that George Bush and Tony Blair can make any amount of money available for bombs, shells and bullets to improve the lives of Iraqi kids. You know it makes sense.

In fact, Mr. Shrub, you could be accused of empathetic behavior on several grounds, ranging from wishing your anonymous admirers well with such heartfelt sincerity to your very endorsement of irreverence itself. (Although I would quibble with your accusation of Noriega-hood on the part of Hugo. I mean, sure, he's a foil, but that socialist democracy stuff that they're letting him and Evo experiment with down there under the equatorial line of colonial ownership is just playing with fire. What in God's name would happen if such notions became popular, or even known, north of that line?)

On your last point, however, you're as right as rain--the truth is in safe hands over at NPR these days, ever since they announced the new name changes for the old shows. You know, Morning Rendition, All Things Conservative and Hot Air (stolen from billmon's Whiskey Bar)

9/22/2006 03:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

How stunningly, but not surprizingly, adroit of you, Mr. Cuttlefish.

However, is it empathy when my irreverence applies to all of humanity, and not merely a fraction thereof?

See, some days, that's the case with me. Some days, my misanthropy is so substantially manifested, that all of humanity must be made to incur the wrath of my irreverant humor.....and it is on those days that I feel a particularly keen kinship with my brother, and our mutual friend, Richard. And....it is on those days that you and Starroute have to rain on my abysmal little parade....for which I both love and hate both of you.

No Wine Night tonight. It's been deferred to Date Night tomorrow.....and for that (no Wine Night) I weep.

9/22/2006 03:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

Well, here's something to raise your spirits, then...



Aborigines given ownership of Perth by judge
By Kathy Marks in Sydney
Published: 21 September 2006

Aborigines have been declared the traditional owners of Perth and given the right to hunt and fish in the area, in the first successful claim by indigenous people to an Australian state capital.

The landmark ruling by the Federal Court astonished Aboriginal groups, with one community leader, Noel Pearson, welcoming the "absolutely extraordinary" decision. The judgment opens the way for similar claims over cities such as Sydney and Melbourne.

However, the state government of Western Australia said it would appeal, and it may be joined by the federal government. The Prime Minister, John Howard, said his initial reaction was "one of considerable concern".

The judge, Justice Murray Wilcox, granted the Nyoongar people "native title" over more than 6,000 sq km of land, including Perth and its surrounds. That means they can use it for traditional activities such as hunting, camping and fishing, as well as looking after sacred sites and generally caring for the land.
....

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/australasia/article1655632.ece

9/22/2006 03:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Hilda Martinez said...

I've read a lot here today but to the poster who wrote about Guantanamo being in Cuba, technically, it isn't. Under the agreement that gave Cuba its "freedom" after the Spanish American War the US gained territorial rights to Guantanamo Bay. This is US soil and has been since long before Castro.

9/22/2006 04:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, since the CIA set up Castro (with the intent to invade in the early 1960s, that "just never quite worked out", given the Bay of Pigs, Project Northwoods, and all that), it might as well be in Cuba.

For more on that read Barry and the Boys: The CIA, the Mob, and America's Secret History--back in print after five years of legal attempts to stop the book after its first publication in 2001.

9/22/2006 04:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Hilda Martinez said...
I've read a lot here today but to the poster who wrote about Guantanamo being in Cuba, technically, it isn't. Under the agreement that gave Cuba its "freedom" after the Spanish American War the US gained territorial rights to Guantanamo Bay. This is US soil and has been since long before Castro.


That poster was me, Hilda, but I want to hear you say it.....come on...say the word..say it...Shrubageddon...you can do it.

In regards to your comments, apparently you didn't read close enough. Tell us something we don't know.....because our Rigorous Intuition tells us there's more of an explanation than the "technical" one.

9/22/2006 04:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks Jeff for letting me know how much energy I and others have wasted in the past 5 years. Hmm I remember a certain "minstel boy" used to have an animated gif of WTC 7 collapsing as his signature at DU.

9/22/2006 05:54:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

anon 5:54,

It seems odd to consider that your time has been wasted because you disagree with Jeff on this one, admittedly large point. If I did that in my world I would be living in quite a small world indeed.

9/22/2006 07:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Er, Sounder, you do not see the sarcasm and flippant quality of what you seem to have taken as a completely serious remark...?

9/22/2006 08:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://tinyurl.com/jccrh

Very good video about 9.11 demolitions with more evidence than I've seen before. Last 15 minutes are especially interesting.

9/22/2006 08:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, Hopsicker ought to rethink relabeling his publishing company to something other than Madcow. Whenever I try to get people to read the site they are immediately turned off of trying to get legit news from something called "madcow"

9/22/2006 09:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If people you know are turned off by the title of a newswebsite, pleeaaaze, they are just surface people anyway so avoid bothering yourself with them. They are looking for any convenience excuse to learn something, and would have thought up something else to keep from learning even if it was a website title they liked, they would make up some other excuse...

With that being said, Long Live Mad Cow Morning News...




And thanks tinyurl anon,

so:

were the 98th floor and the 34th floor important levels to detonate first?

Both floors were totally empty of tenants--and even empty of partitions.

Yet both floors had sounds of unexplained work crews and heavy machinery and wheeled 'things' being moved around and then seemingly dumped on the floor--in the weeks before 9-11,

1. on 98th floor: unexplained lots of dust noted in the week before 9-11 around the upper floor. However, when one office worker a floor below went up to open the door to see what was going on on a completely empty floor after lots of equipment moving around and the floor literally shaking from jackhammer like sounds the day before. He found on the next day absolutely nothing deapite people being on that floor the day before doing something to literaly shaking the ceiling with dropping and moving things around and jackhammer like activitity. Yet nothing was there the next day. Vacant once more. Throughout noting lots of (cement dust scattered around his floor below setting through...

2. Another odd floor: lots of movement around 34th closed off floor attested to by Rodriguez, which he said "it scared him" and he was afraid to open the door, since no one was authorized to be on this floor entirely, and you had to have a special security key to even get the elevators to stop on this vacant floor, yet there was a on these floors that similar wheeled dumpster like sounds and lots of thumping was heard by him.

Around the 98th floor is where the top floors collapsed to in the first few seconds, then it stopped for a split second, then the demolitions continued down.

I'll be looking for some footage around the 34th floor of the collapses, though I imagine this would be hard to come by, and those who would have been filming it would have been killed by falling steel or debris.

From other witnesses who rescued them, there were preparory internal explosions that collapsed the ceiling of the floor above somewhere in the 30s floors, destroying the security console rooms. Some firemen reported rescuing people in this condition from a collapsed ceiling/floor onto the floor below. Perhaps the other level was designed to take out the security areas.

That was where O'Neill was meant to be at work that morning. His first day on the job it was scheduled to be, to make good with the maxium amount of inexperience in top seccurity over the WTC. The person O'Neill replaced was Hauer, of the Giuliani bunker, who quits his job on September 10, 2001, how conveinent, and goes to work for Tommy Thompson, Bush's Department of Health and Human Services person, who that day (likely arranged with "bioterror specialist" Hauer, gives all of the Bush cabinet Cipro for protection against anthrax attacks--that had yet to occur for a month.

9/22/2006 09:46:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Speaking of NPR and truth, there's a blog out there somewhat like RI called Angiosarcoma 2.0 (Bitter Musings On The Current State Of Things) which has a 9/12/06 post (Alright, Goddamnit.) that talks about the anniversary rash of 9/11 denialists working the alleged left side of the aisle, particularly one hoor by the name of Matthew Rothschild (don't get too excited by a Rothschild debunking conspiracy theories--it gets better), who has also been slithering all over NPR's naugahyde couches of late. The most irritating thing about Mr. Rothschild is that he sneers at the idea of the media "being in on conspiracies" in such a fashion that makes one think that COINTELPRO and Mockingbird and the Hearst Fucking Syndicate never happened, which, like the tree in the forest, if no one's heard it laying down on the job, must not have.

That's the most deeply weird thing about this turn of the tide among the so-called progressives: just when sizable chunks of ordinary folks are beginning to doubt the official story, these slicksters penetrate the "leftward" establishments to tell that audience that if the pod, missile, and/or CD theories are false, then all conspiracy theories must be, which leaves us with...the official version of events on every-fucking-thing. CIA interventions? Balderdash! National security state apparatus at the beck and call of the corporocracy? Impossible! Congressional oversight, open government? Of course; this is America, after all! Where's my bucket?

Whilst combing through these fictions, and simultaneously pondering Shrub's alleged intermittant misanthropy and researching ecovillages for my alternate reality web-project, I came across a few other related gems. The ecovillagers are also on the hempbandwagon, where the ridin's easy, and doing their part in The War On The War On Drugs. Smashing scientific study here:Old ideas up in smoke, pot might help the brain. That's how we all got so pseudo-intellectually gifted here at Rigorous! (Well, okay Jeff--your scintillating prose and investigative instincts maybe had something to do with it...)

But then I was brought right back to the problem with Shrub sporadic, irreverent empathy in the form of a new study which located the physical location of empathy in the brain (Explaining the yawn: Bored? Weary? Empathetic?) which also explores the exciting connection between yawning and empathy. But the next one is by far the coolest shit in the world on this topic: it's the scientific basis for karma & altruism:
An Endless Cycle of Good Deeds
I'll leave you with the intro, but anyone interested in the topic should really read the whole thing. It's brilliant, common-sensical, and sort of explains empathy as much more than just a weapon:


Here's a puzzle: Why do we care when a stranger does a good deed for a stranger? Most theories in the social sciences say that people's actions and feelings are motivated by self-interest. So why are we sometimes moved to tears by the good deeds or heroic actions of others? I believe we cannot have a full understanding of human morality until we can explain why and how human beings are so powerfully affected by the sight of a stranger helping another stranger.

For the past several years, I have studied this feeling, which I call "elevation." I have defined elevation as a warm, uplifting feeling that people experience when they see unexpected acts of human goodness, kindness, courage, or compassion. It makes a person want to help others and to become a better person himself or herself.

Elevation is widely known across cultures and historical eras. You probably recognize it yourself. But for some reason no psychologist has studied it empirically. Instead, psychologists have focused most of their energies on the negative moral emotions, especially guilt and anger. Psychologists have thought about morality primarily as a system of rules that prevents people from hurting each other and taking their possessions.

But I believe that morality is much richer and more balanced. Most people don't want to rape, steal, and kill. What they really want is to live in a moral community where people treat each other well, and in which they can satisfy their needs for love, productive work, and a sense of belonging to groups of which they are proud. We get a visceral sense that we do not have such a moral world when we see people behave in petty, cruel, or selfish ways.

But when we see a stranger do a simple act of kindness for another stranger, it gives us a thrilling sense that maybe we do live in such a world. The fact that we can be so responsive to the good deeds of others, even when we do not benefit directly, is a very important facet of human nature. Yes, people can be terribly cruel, and we must continue our study of the conditions that lead to racism, violence, and other social ills. But there is a brighter side to human nature, too, and psychology ought to look more closely at it.

9/23/2006 01:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Dugoboy said...

richard...living is an act of hope.

9/23/2006 01:11:00 AM  
Anonymous starroute said...

IC -

Right on. And it's not just watching strangers -- even fictional acts of kindness produce that same effect.

In fact, it's a standard method in movies to establish the villain by showing him kicking puppydogs and the hero by showing him protecting the weak and helpless. It's especially apparent when the hero is otherwise hard-boiled or cynical or something of a rogue.

And this is in origin neither movie cliche nor superficial moralizing (though it can easily take those forms), but a deep-rooted evolutionary wisdom. We all know that helping one another is the best way to get through hard times. And we also know that even helping strangers will pay off in the long run -- for the larger community if not for us personally.

Paradoxically, the two situations where kindness breaks down are either when conditions are so bleak that it becomes sauve-qui-peut, or when life becomes so soft that people generally don't need help. That's why the elite can be such sons-of-bitches, I suppose -- they've never known what it is to depend upon another for their survival or well-being.

9/23/2006 01:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

Chavez accomplished the unthinkable: he got the NY Times to excerpt the following passage from Chomsky:

"Those who want to face their responsibilities with a genuine commitment to democracy and freedom — even to decent survival — should recognize the barriers that stand in the way. In violent states these are not concealed. In more democratic societies barriers are more subtle. While methods differ sharply from more brutal to more free societies, the goals are in many ways similar: to ensure that the “great beast,” as Alexander Hamilton called the people, does not stray from its proper confines.

One can discern two trajectories in current history: one aiming toward hegemony, acting rationally within a lunatic doctrinal framework as it threatens survival; the other dedicated to the belief that “another world is possible,” in the words that animate the World Social Forum, challenging the reigning ideological system and seeking to create constructive alternatives of thought, action and institutions. Which trajectory will dominate, no one can foretell."

You can already hear the spluttering of coffee up and down Park Avenue.

Trajectory, schmectory
The building fell straight down
Planting a half-burned passport
Evidence for a clown

Hugo sniffs el diablo
Makes the ancient sign
Wake up, benighted people
This land is yours and mine

A country practicing torture
Ain't the country I once knew
More like Amin's Uganda
Cry for the red, white and blue

This too shall end
It cannot last
History repeats as farce
The banality of evil
An artform like an arse

All they know is killing
Crushing, lying, hell
Chavez was right to indicate
The awful sulfur smell

These scum are psychopathic
Ask any kid you meet
Whether out on Greenham Common
Or in the Arab Street

When some future Gibbon
sits to write
"The Decline & Fall of Bush"
His inkwell brimming with delight
In the Hindu Kush

For North Amoo will be no more
A poisoned land of bones
Future folk do well to ponder
A house of sand, not stone

9/23/2006 10:12:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

anon 8:39

Upon re-reading your post, I see that I completly wiffed on groking the content of your post. Thanks for trying to set me straight.

9/23/2006 10:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From http://www.naturalcapital.org/Projects.html :

Blessed Unrest Documentary Film

Blessed Unrest will reveal for us, for the first time, the depth and diversity of the worldwide ‘movement of movements’ that is emerging on a scale unseen in human history. The feature length documentary is based on Paul Hawken's forthcoming book, Blessed Unrest, (Viking/Penguin 2007). Behind both lie years of research into this unrecognized phenomenon—research that began after Hawken's frontline experience of the WTO meetings in Seattle. It has revealed the existence of millions of people with shared sets of values, populating hundreds of thousands of organizations that address social justice and ecological sustainability in the broadest sense of those terms. The power of this movement is that it is not directed. Imagine the collective presence of all human beings as an organism. Within and pervading that organism is a growing intelligence and activity—humanity’s immune response to the effects of political corruption, economic disease and ecological degradation. Blessed Unrest will follow a number of powerful stories that between them illustrate the roots, scale and breadth of what is collectively the majority movement on earth.

9/23/2006 01:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"334 words are used to say that Flight 93 didn't land at Cleveland. It didn't."

I refuse to pedantically count numbers of words, though even United Airlines said Flight 93 landed at Cleveland, Jeff. Two words I can count: "so there".

So did the Cleveland Mayor.

United Airlines on morning of 9-11 said Flight 93 landed in Cleveland

Here's the full article from the unscripted few hours early on 9-11.

It's from a Cleveland news story before the official story, like an Iron Curtain came down and understood exactly what it had to dissemble madly about: Flight 93 landing in Cleveland. This was one of those "dissemble madly" topics.


Plane Lands In Cleveland; Bomb Feared Aboard

Reported by: 9News Staff
Web produced by: Liz Foreman
9/11/01 11:43:57 AM

A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport due to concerns that it may have a bomb aboard, said Mayor Michael R. White.

White said the plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated.

United identified the plane as Flight 93. The airline did say how many people were aboard the flight.

United said it was also "deeply concerned" about another flight, Flight 175, a Boeing 767, which was bound from Boston to Los Angeles.

On behalf of the airline CEO James Goodwin said: "The thoughts of everyone at United are with the passengers and crew of these flights. Our prayers are also with everyone on the ground who may have been involved.

"United is working with all the relevant authorities, including the FBI, to obtain further information on these flights," he said.


2.

The Cleveland Mayor as well said it was United Airlines 93 at his airport--so whatever obviously made the hole in Pennsylvania was something else. Moreover, there were "no bodies, I'm leaving" there at that Pennsylvania hole, said the coronor on the scene, so it was some sort of remote controlled device as well (if indeed something crashed there at all--another case of "no plane wreckage" once more, it looks more like some sort of shallow ditch that had explosives in it. Remember that the actual remains were falling up to eight miles away from midair, so perhaps they quickly rigged a fake "it crashed here" location, to distract from that midair detonation of something. Google "unmarked white jet, Pennsylvania, Flight 93" for some fun.)

article:

Flt 93 And Flt 175 Landed At Or Near
Cleveland On 911 --
Says Former Cleveland Mayor

Cincinnati WCPO TV Cover-Ups
Why Account Removed From Web Site
By Greg Szymanski
11-11-2005


State sponsored U.S. media ignores story, leaving 'internet hounds' to smell out the truth behind what really happened to the passengers on the doomed flights.

On the morning of 9/11 a little known Cincinnati television station ran a story saying Flight 93 landed at Cleveland International Airport instead of crashing into the Pentagon as claimed in the official government story.

Reporters at WCPO Channel 9 quoted then Cleveland Mayor Michael R. White as saying "a Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing due to a bomb threat," the airplane landing safely, moved to a secure location and evacuated.

The early morning report went on to say United Airlines verified the plane as Flight 93,
but was also deeply concerned about another jetliner in the vicinity, Flight 175, flying from Boston to Los Angeles.

Also included in the little known news report was a comment from United CEO, James Goodwin, who said, "The thoughts of everyone at United are with the passengers and crew of these flights. Our prayers are also with everyone on the ground who may have been involved. United Airlines is working with all the relevant authorities, including the FBI, to obtain further information on these flights."

Former Mayor White, as well as United and WCPO, could not be reached for comment, but the evidence still remains, even though it was suspiciously removed from the television's web site in June 2004 in and around the time of the 9/11 Commission hearings.

With the evidence trail getting colder and colder, the obvious still must be asked: if Flight 175 was slamming [or not...] into the South Tower and Flight 93 was downed over Pennsylvania [or not...] like the government contends, why was Mayor White saying both planes were in or in the vicinity of Cleveland?

The answer to this question remains a mystery four years later since the 9/11 Commission or the FBI never thoroughly investigated the news report or former Mayor White's statement.

And if there still happens to be any 9/11 family members still wondering what really happened to their loved ones aboard the doomed 9/11 flights, it isn't much consolation that the only really serious investigation to date has come from a couple of cyber space sleuths with no real criminal investigation background and only a hyperactive curiosity as their credentials.

But to the credit of these novice sleuths, who never even listed their names in order to take credit for their work, the following information about the original WCPO story and its removal from the internet is all we have to go on:

"Though the story from Cincinnati TV station WCPO is not recent news (it was posted within hours of the 9/11 attacks)," said the sleuths, "I had never heard of it until a fellow researcher recently contacted me. Click on the first link "(see links below) and you will see what is currently posted on the website, 'This story has been removed from WCPO.com. It was a preliminary AP story, and was factually incorrect.'

"However, using the powerful resource of the Internet Archive , which archives all major websites on the internet on a regular basis, you can see how this webpage appeared over past months and years.

Using this excellent resource, you will discover that the original posting (provided below) can be viewed at the second link below.

"Note that the original posting says nothing about being an AP article.

Note also that the article continued to be posted for all dates through June 2004, and disappeared only after that.

Remember that Flight 93 reportedly [in the official lie from the professional Bush liars] crashed in Pennsylvania on 9/11, with all aboard killed. How can this be?

See these web sites for verification:
http://www.wcpo.com/specials/2001/americaattacked/news_local/story14.html

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.wcpo.com/specials/2001/americaattacked/news_local/story14.html

Besides WCPO's obvious cover-up, another little known account concerning the passengers aboard the flights concerns the strange - almost unbelievable -- reaction of former Rep. Phil Crane (R-Ill) in response to the information compiled on another internet sleuth's 9/11web site.

The incident involves a phone call by Representative Crane to Phil Jayhan, a serious 9/11 fact gatherer, who appears to be on to something and headed in the right direction in solving parts of the 9/11 mystery if this strange -- out of the blue call -- from a Congressman is any indication.

In an extended phone conversation this week concerning the call, Jayhan asked why would a big shot Congressman call him unless it was to designed to gather information, interrogate him or find out what he really knew, as well as indicating he might be hot on the trail of something important.


Jayhan, who puts together www.letsroll911.org , also wrote this on his web site about the mysterious call from former Rep. Crane, the former head of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee:

"Well, we all now know there was a series of War Games going on the week of 911, as well as 911 itself. I probably wouldn't have even thought of this if it were not for Congressman Phil Crane's phone call to me.

"Why take any chances on 911? They had time on their side, and thus a near perfect plan, or a perfect plan that didn't work as advertised. Crane seemed most interested in 'the people' & 'the pathology' more than anything else. Why would he be asking me about this, if indeed flight 93 was the meat wagon? All of the remains would have been sent to path and identified, and no one would be the wiser, right?

"But as I have said, if I could pin down a reason why Phil Crane would have pulled the stunt he did with me, it would have to be the subject of where are the people...?

"Because he [Representative Crane] didn't have a problem with the missile and the pod or that the flight was switched, so he was well acquainted with my web site when he called. But he, they(?) were stumped as to the missing people, and where they went.

"So, let's think in Phil Crane's shoes for a moment. He finally is forced to see the site (let's roll) by one of his aids who finally had done the research and seen that what my site says is true.

"So Phil Crane and perhaps a few in his staff, or perhaps a few other Congressman and Senators are sitting around, and they see the problem pod, the problem missile and realize this plane was switched.

"I am assuming here that they know something we don't in this area, i.e. namely that there were No bodies or true DNA tests done. They were a PR sham to help sweep 911 under the rug sooner and more efficiently, best not to have grieving loved ones family members crying foul because DNA testing was taking too long to put their hearts to rest, so they faked the DNA test results."


Greg Szymanski is an independent investigative journalist and his articles can been seen at www.LewisNews.com. He also writes for American Free Press www.AmericanFreePress.net and has his own site www.arcticbeacon.com . Greg has a live Radio show every Monday night on mms://media.LewisNews.com/Greg and on mms://media.LewisNews.com/RadioLewisNews at 8 pm Pacific time. Greg is also looking for sponsors for his popular new show and he can be contacted at patriott2424@aol.com. On Oct. 3, Greg will be starting a daily afternoon show on the Republic Broadcast Network, airing on shortwave, low band FM and on the internet. Go to www.rbnlive.com for information.

3.

"Because he [Representative Crane] didn't have a problem with the missile and the pod or that the flight was switched, so he was well acquainted with my web site when he called. But he, they(?) were stumped as to the missing people, and where they went.

They landed at Cleveland, and two planes actually landed at Cleveland, one was a Delta flight 1989 that got extensive SWAT coverage there. The UAL93 plane sort of quietly went off to hide near the NASA facility at the Cleveland Airport.

And that Cleveland NASA facility opens up the proverbial can of big worms--because it links to the same coterie around WTC purchaser Silverstein and Bush appointees.

13.May.2006 01:21

The Double Zionist connection why NASA-Cleveland chosen for UAL93 landing-hiding site

Two interesting 9-11 suspects: [1] SAMUEL H. MILLER, high corrupt Cleveland-and-federal politics family, his son pro-Zionist senior advisor in State Department for two solid decades; and [2] DANIEL SAUL GOLDIN, Cleveland-in-origin NASA Administrator, a Bush Senior appointee to the head of NASA back in the early 1990s who was still in charge of NASA during 9-11. He leaves NASA immediately thereafter 9-11.

Three weeks before 9-11, Israeli cabinet discussed Goldin's recent visit to Israel during which he met with senior Israeli officials....Goldin resigns from NASA 1 month after 9-11 hits.

and

Goldin visits "9-11 war gaming" National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) in July 2001.

Goldin was appointed by George H. W. Bush in 1991.

...

Comment

Dick Allgire
5-5-2006

Hello Eric,

I read the story posted on Rense.com attributed to you:
Flt 93 Landed in Cleveland Morning of 911

I am a television news reporter in Honolulu with over 30 years experience in journalism. I am gradually coming around to the idea that something is really fishy about the official 9/11 story. As Jeff Rense advises I have been reading and studying and trying to sort out fact from fiction. I do not actively investigate 911 professionally. (No local TV station, especially in Hawaii is going to touch that story.) But I am interested personally.

I had heard the story about Flight 93 landing in Cleveland, yet I had no way to know whether or not it was true. Recently I watched a program on The History Channel about how difficult it was to ground all the airliners in the air over and entering US airspace on 9/11. This program showed a DELTA airlines 767 that landed at Cleveland on that day. It was surrounded by SWAT teams, searched, and the passengers offloaded. The DELTA jet was then cleared. The video (I don't believe is doctored) clearly shows a DELTA jet.

I am not a debunker. I am sincerely curious and willing to accept the truth. Is it possible that the 767 referred to in your report is the Delta Airlines jet and not United Fl. 93?

This issue of 911 truth is very important. If the official story is not true (I believe it is not) then this country is really in trouble. So we have to be sure about everything that is reported.

Thanks,

Dick Allgire
Honolulu, HI

[comment: Interesting bit of information there you have. Yes, though there were two planes landing at Cleveland. Yes, there WAS a Delta 1989 flight plus the UAL93 flight landing at Cleveland. From the data above on film, it would seem that the U.S. Government was particuarly keen on "security" around the mere civilians of Delta 1989--while the UAL93 one went off somewhere else and went into the NASA buildings area.]

And more of why Flight 93's reality of landing at Cleveland is so important to "madly dissemble" about: they even made a special psyop film to brainwash people to stop looking into the reality of its landing in Cleveland.

Posted By: ChristopherBollyn
Date: Friday, 12 May 2006, 12:33 a.m.

The Hollywood Fantasy of Flight 93

The Hidden Role of NASA and the FBI in Cleveland

Christopher Bollyn
American Free Press

The Hollywood version of what happened to United Flight 93 has "set the record straight," boasts the senior counsel for the 9-11 Commission, while news reports and evidence tell a very different story.... [more at above link on all this]

9/23/2006 03:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Dugoboy said...

yea jeff i am confused about how your so sure no plane landed in cleveland?

9/23/2006 03:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Linking back to Jeff's original Prisoner series picture for the post above, Samuel H. Miller is the ultimate Wizard of Oz style candidate for "Who is #1?"

Or at least, Miller knows "#1" surely...

In case you fail to read it:

1. "WHY CLEVELAND?", POINT ONE: The high political State Department family of SAMUEL H. MILLER. Samuel Miller funded and "created" Mayor of Cleveland Michael R. White as his creature from 1989 onward, who could then be trusted to keep quiet and let this federal level connected State Department political family create "a hole" in U.S. security for all covert ops perpetrated by federal government on 911 in Cleveland, Ohio. And this is corporate media: "The central figure in corruption of White administration appears to be Samuel H. Miller, co-chairman...treasurer of Forest City Enterprises, Inc., family-run...with extensive real estate holdings....Ratner family, which Miller married into, controls Forest City Ent....[O]ne co-defendant in racketeering/extortion scheme [surrounding Mayor White's admin of Cleveland]...told FBI that Mayor White, Gray, and Miller had regular 'business' dinners at Ritz Carlton for years. Gray said that Miller controlled White...Miller told Mayor White what to do."

The same criminal clique around SAMUEL H. MILLER considers him national leader steering Zionist and Jewish causes: national chairman of United Jewish Appeal (UJA), with EISENBERG in it (the overseer of sweetheart sale of WTCs, and EISENBERG in Bush "transition team '00") and LARRY SILVERSTEIN connections (WTC's owner, sold by Bush-connected Eisenberg to Silverstein mere 6 weeks before 9-11 controlled demolitions which Silverstein has publicly admittted to giving the order ("pull it") to destroy one of them by controlled demolition on 9-11).

Miller...ex-chairman of...Israel Bonds (LARRY SILVERSTEIN loves these, was on the board as well like Miller) and board of trustees, Jewish National Fund.

(Miller's son, AARON DAVID MILLER, inserted for two long decades in Dept. of State as **senior adviser** to **six Secretaries of State**, involved in steering U.S. policy on Middle East and Arab-Israel 'peace process.' AARON DAVID MILLER, Deputy Special Middle East Coordinator for Arab-Israeli negotiations; Senior Member of State Dept.'s Policy Planning Staff.)
...

more odd things about Samuel H. Miller, particuarly Samuel H. Miller's connections to Boys Town, in Ohio.--which of course in another state might get you pegged for being linked to a national and international pedophile network....

Perhaps Miller met Johnny Gosch at one point...

"Samuel Miller, an eccentric man with a curious record for giving money to candidates of both political parties and of all ideologies. ...And yet, a search of records at the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections produced no voter registration for Miller. ["Jewish," he additionally funds the local Catholic diocese.] Odds are that Miller, a complex, rough-hewn man fond of big cigars and salami omelets, enjoys such ironies. He cultivates a decidedly non-corporate, tough-guy image. His shabby dress and weathered look invite uncomplimentary comparisons. A business associate said Miller has a certain Howard Hughes look. A friend likened Miller's appearance to "a French port thug."

link to 72.14.203.104

Ohio "Boys Town" Celebrates 50th Anniversary

"A Celebration of Partnerships was held at The Ritz-Carlton Cleveland on April 29, 2004. Many friends, volunteers and donors came out to celebrate this significant milestone and pay tribute to Fifth Third Bank for its exemplary leadership in linking corporate philanthropy with social needs activism. Robert J. King, Jr., President and CEO of Fifth Third Bank accepted the recognition on behalf of all the Fifth Third family. Samuel H Miller, Co-Chairman of Forest City Enterprises served as Honorary Chairman and Guest Speaker."

http://www.ohioboystown.org/50th.asp

He even appears to be trustee and head speakers for Jesuit colleges: "Among Miller's many awards and honors, he has received the Liberty Bell Award, Governor's Award of Ohio [Governors of Ohio is almost a Taft family preserve, the Taft family of course being one of the two co-founding families of Skull and Bones; the Governor Taft currently connected in all that corruption fraud recently reappointed Samuel H. Miller to be trustee of Cleveland University until 2013], Harry S. Truman Award, B'nai B'rith National Humanitarian Award [ADL; Jewish Masonry], National Conference of Christians and Jews Award, Jewish National Fund Award, Torch of Liberty Award (from the Anti-Defamation League), Defender of Jerusalem Award, Archbishop Edward F. Hoban Award, American Red Cross National Humanitarian Award, Charles Eisenman Award, and Philanthropic Award from the United Black Fund. He has received honorary degrees from Baldwin-Wallace College and the Cleveland Academy of Medicine. Miller and his wife, Maria (nee Patrick), live in [the highly exclusive Ohio enclave of] Shaker Heights." Skull and Bones have had connections to schools (as trusees) in Shaker Heights as well.

The symbol of Israel perhaps should be changed to a pink elephant, because no one wants to see it.

Would go well with the neocon Republican elephant (with its three 'inverted stars', like the LaVey Church of Satan, actually, you know, in the logo).

9/23/2006 04:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chinese oil deals in Americas

The Chinese have forged a deal with Cuban leader Fidel Castro to explore and tap into massive oil reserves almost within sight of Key West, Florida. At the same time, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who controls the largest oil reserves in the Western Hemisphere, is making deals to sell his country’s oil to China, oil that is currently coming to the United States.

Meanwhile, a new left-wing populist regime in Bolivia has nationalized the natural gas industry, threatening to cut off supplies to the United States.

SLANT DRILLING

There are new reports out circulating that Chinese firms are planning to slant drill off the Cuban coast near the Florida Straits, tapping into U.S. oil reserves that are estimated at 4.6 billion to 9.3 billion barrels. This compares with 4 billion to 10 billion barrels believed to be beneath the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge, where drilling is held up in Congress due to the objections of environmental groups which warn of endangering caribou. Permission to drill in the refuge, which experts are certain will not present any environmental hazard, has failed by just two votes in the Senate.

As Chinese business increases its reach around the world, it is seeking oil, which it lacks domestically.

After elections in Mexico in early July, when a new regime hostile to Washington is expected to take power, the United States might be without supplies of Mexican crude oil. The United States gets about 40 percent of its imported oil from Mexico and Venezuela.

China is eager to tap into oil reserves in the Florida Straits and then make a deal with Castro to control it. The Chinese have already reopened an abandoned Russian oil refinery in Cuba. Much of the gas refined there is believed to be destined for Freeport in the Bahamas, where the Chinese, through front company Hutchison-Whampoa, has developed a massive port facility and airfield.

With the refinery reopened and expanded it will also meet the needs of Castro.

9/23/2006 04:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I did not forget this GEM.

Mysterious white jet tails FLT93.


"And in being part of the NetJets owner family, Buffett is in excellent company. Among those who own shares of NetJets airplanes are not only many other corporate executives but also such well-known individuals as Tiger Woods, Pete Sampras and Arnold Schwarzenegger." - Robert P. Miles (5/02)

Oddly enough, a NetJets executive company jet was "tracking" Flight 93 when it crashed in an open field in Shanksville, PA.

► "Additional recordings would be played from the cockpit of an executive jet that tracked Flight 93 on Sept. 11...
An official for NetJets, a company that sells shares in private business aircraft, confirmed that the plane tracking Flight 93 belonged to the company.
The official, who asked not to be identified by name, said the company was asked not to comment on the Sept. 11 flight but would not say who made the request." -Holland Sentinel/AP (8/09/02)



Now why was an executive jet owned by one of Warren Buffett's companies "tracking" Flight 93 instead of a military jet try to intercept it?

More interesting is that fact that Flight 93 was rumored to have been shot down (in which the U.S. Government vehemently denies) and that a number of witnesses claimed to have seen a "mysterious small white jet" in the same area that Flight 93 was before it crashed in which the "And in being part of the NetJets owner family, Buffett is in excellent company. Among those who own shares of NetJets airplanes are not only many other corporate executives but also such well-known individuals as Tiger Woods, Pete Sampras and Arnold Schwarzenegger." - Robert P. Miles (5/02)

Oddly enough, a NetJets executive company jet was "tracking" Flight 93 when it crashed in an open field in Shanksville, PA.

► "Additional recordings would be played from the cockpit of an executive jet that tracked Flight 93 on Sept. 11...
An official for NetJets, a company that sells shares in private business aircraft, confirmed that the plane tracking Flight 93 belonged to the company.
The official, who asked not to be identified by name, said the company was asked not to comment on the Sept. 11 flight but would not say who made the request." -Holland Sentinel/AP (8/09/02)



Now why was an executive jet owned by one of Warren Buffett's companies "tracking" Flight 93 instead of a military jet try to intercept it?

More interesting is that fact that Flight 93 was rumored to have been shot down (in which the U.S. Government vehemently denies) and that a number of witnesses claimed to have seen a "mysterious small white jet" in the same area that Flight 93 was before it crashed in which the FBI claimed there was no other plane in the area and then changed it's story and said there was one, but it was just "taking pictures" of the crashFBI claimed there was no other plane in the area and then changed it's story and said there was one, but it was just "taking pictures" of the crash.

Any one care to elaborate?

9/23/2006 04:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Mojo Filter said...

It is my belief that flight 93 was to target the US Capitol building, intended to take out a chunk of it and some portion of the senators and congressmen and women inside. That done, it would have been a quick step that very day to declaring martial law, which would have put us all into full luciferian police state mode, and we would all have been living under a complete totalitarian nightmare for 5 year now, instead of only the partial one that exists thus far.

Since I doubt the planners left random acts of self-defense by the passengers to chance, they were probably gassed and unconscious long before the crash. My supposition is that some Air Force General still loyal to the people of the United States and the Constitution which he had sworn to uphold, defied Rumsfeld/Cheney's orders not to shoot, and ordered the plane down. If so, he was a true patriot in that moment, and we owe him immense gratitude for his actions.

A less salutary surmise would be that the remoted control box malfunctioned and the ptb had to do damage control.

Or, maybe Mossad Captain Lewis, founder of Akamai technologies, a billionaire, family man, and former memeber for four years of an Israeli anti-hijacking force, changed his mind (if he shot the pilot and co-pilot, as the initial reports from the stewardess on the plane stated) and decided to end his life with some chance of redemption from the Almighty.

Lots of possible explanations. Bottom line, something went awry. And whatever it was, it is likely the only event that saved us from living in complete darkness for the past five years.

Praise God for that.

9/23/2006 05:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FLT 93

Flight 93 went down 30 min from my workplace. They (US Govt) knew what was going on long before it crashed, both towers and DC were hit while 93 was coming out of OH and entering PA in a SW direction. They contacted Pittsburgh International and told them to evacuate the control tower, gates, and so on when 93 was inbound from the NW. As it passed over Pittsburgh International heading E for Downtown Pittsburgh they contacted Mayor Murphy to evacuate the major skyscrapers. It passed over the city and continued ESE over my work. As soon as it was clear of the city limits heading SE toward the nations capital it went down. Pretty good timing huh?


Shortly after the 3 crashes and hearing about 93 OTW I left work. Was only in the car for about 5 minutes listening to KDKA radio. (first radio station brodcast in the US BTW) They played that phone call recording to 911. I heard it myself. Very scary. He was panicing and describing what was going on. He said that terrorists had hijacked the plane, then heard a loud explosion and smoke started to fill the compartment, then they were going down.

Few hours later a KDKA spokesperson announced that their recording of that message had been confiscated by the FBI.

Since that time the only recordings of cell phone calls from 93 that we the public have been allowed to heard are the ones where passengers are calling loved ones telling them how they might try and take over the plane and how much they love them.

I don't have the answer to what really happened, I wasn't there. But I do know what I heard with my own ears.

I want you to think about that for a second using common sense. How does a aircraft getting forced down by passengers have anything to do with a large explosion & smoke just before decent?

Does the government not trust it's citizens? If they did choose to shoot

9/23/2006 05:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone ever noticed that the Republicans logo, the elephant and the stars...that the stars are actually upside down pentagrams??

Interesting no?

9/23/2006 05:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Mojo Filter said...

To Anonymous of 5:02, you raise another possibility. Perhaps the gas that was supposed to take out the passengers and crew malfunctioned, and that's how they were able to attempt to rush the cockpit. God knows what they would've found there, had they done so. This discovery, and whatever forensic evidence would've been present, certainly would have necessitated the shadow gov't folks like Cheney/Rumsfeld to shoot it down, to prevent discovery of proof of the plot.

Another plausible scenario that fits if everything that you heard was in fact actual events and not staged (the latter, I think, is unlikely).

Any way you slice it, the evidence does suggest that 93 did not fulfill whatever role it did have in the events of that day. It seems extremely unlikely it was included simply to be blown out of the air in Pennsylvania.

Your data still fits with my hypothesis that this fourth plane missed its intended target, either the Capitol (most likely), or the White House (quite unlikely for a host of reasons).

Overall, I think this failure of the fourth leg of the attacks goes a very long way to explaining why there are so many loose ends and so much mop up and explaining, and post hoc jury-rigging of data and evidence to be done"

Had the fourth leg of the attack been completed, and martial law declared, there would have been no questions asked, absolutely no distaff media scrutiny of 9/11, and the jinogistic drum-beaters of war would have likely included a high percentage of those people who, instead, now find themselves in camp of 9/11 truth seekers.

As I said before, praise God for that.

9/23/2006 05:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remarks of Salt Lake City Mayor Ross C. “Rocky” Anderson Rally at City & County Building, April 29, 2006

MAYOR ROCKY ANDERSON:

We are gathered here today to say, “No more!”

No more killing.

No more expenditures of almost $6 billion per month on this tragic war.

No more denial of health care coverage for over 42 million Americans, when we are paying more for this outrageous war than what it would cost for universal health care throughout the US.

No more dependence on foreign oil, while we could become independent if we focused resources wasted in the Iraq war on clean, renewable sources of energy.

No more attacks on immigrants who work so hard to build better lives.

No more inaction by Congress on fixing our hypocritical and inconsistent immigration laws and policies.

No more complacency by our news media, much of which has served as little more than a bulletin board for false government propaganda.

No more raping and pillaging of our people by the outrageous profiteers in the oil industry, by the health care insurance industry, and by the billionaire buddies of Bush and Cheney like the crooks at Enron and Halliburton.

No more war in Iraq.

No more reliance on fiction rather than the science of global warming.

No more historic deficits forever demonstrating that our President and our Congress are total hypocrites and liars when they call themselves fiscal conservatives.

No more torture of human beings.

No more holding people in detention camps without charges – without lawyers – without any semblance of due process.

No more sending people off to be held and interrogated in countries where torture and brutality is expected to occur.

No more arrogant, blundering, incompetent leadership of our military.

Which means no more Donald Rumsfeld.

No more manipulation of our media.

No more arrogance and incompetence posing as leadership in the White House.

Which means no more Bush and Cheney!

And no more arrogance, incompetence, and timidity posing as leadership in the United States Congress.

No more illegal wiretapping without warrants.

No more complacency by the American people.

No more members of Congress who voted to turn into felons 12 million people our nation has encouraged to come here to work.

No more disastrous cuts in funding for those most in need in our cities.

No more destruction of American Indian urban health care centers.

No more cuts in Community Development Block Grant funding

No more cuts in Community Oriented Policing federal funding for our cities.

No more lies about a tie between Iraq and 9-11.

Which means no more Dick Cheney.

No more butchering of the English language.

Which means, of course, no more George Bush.

No more killing thousands of innocent people.

Which means no more of the Bush Administration.

And no more of those in Congress who have sat passively by while the slaughter continues.

No more killing.

No more maiming of men, women, and children, Iraqi and American.

No more apathy by the American people.

And no more refraining from saying “No more”!

We are gathered here today because we care deeply. We are gathered today because we can’t – and won’t – remain silent in the face of tragic dishonesty, tragic violations of international law and human rights, outrageous war mongering, and continually shifting excuses for beginning the war – a war that has resulted in the unnecessary deaths of probably more than 100,000 Iraqis and almost 2400 American members of the United States armed forces. Add to that tragedy the terrible injuries sustained by tens of thousands of people, and our nation’s conscience will forever be shocked and burdened.

We are not gathered because we are Democrats or Republicans or Greens or Independents or members of any other party.

We are not even because we are disgusted with the complacency, impotence, and timidity of so many so-called “leaders” in both of the major parties.

We are not gathered here because we seek to divide this nation. In fact, we seek to unify this great country behind principles of justice, compassion and an end to an outrageous, unnecessary war.

And we are not here because we are “nut cakes.”

There are those who have said, “Stand behind our Presid ent, right or wrong.” They say, “We are duty-bound to follow and support them.”

We are gathered here today to insist there are much higher authorities than George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld to whom we must listen for moral guidance.

Those who say we should blindly follow our governmental leaders are calling for no less than shameful individual moral abdication.

Never has so much evil been perpetuated than from following that call. A culture of blind obedience is a culture of immorality.

Nazi Germany was a society comprised of millions of people who did not question and who did not object. They followed. They followed blindly. They left it for their leaders to make the decisions – even the decisions as to what each individual would do, including the most inhumane treatment toward other people.

That culture of blind obedience was not one where most people asked themselves, “What should I do?”. The answers were already furnished by leaders bent on world domination – leaders who thought nothing of torturing, killing, and maiming millions of innocent men, women, and children.

People were not gathering together to say “No more.” Rather, they were calling out “Heil Hitler,” abdicating to political leaders the moral choices they each could have – and should have – made as individuals. In short, they forfeited the most important part of what makes each of us human.

We are gathered here to assert our moral autonomy – our moral power – our moral insistence that we will not be a part of the dishonesty, the brutality, and the hypocrisy behind the current war of aggression. And we will call out together for an end to the insanity – an end to the obscenity – known as the Iraq war.

At times like this, silence is complicity. Silence is an affirmation of the status quo. We will only see change when the people assert their own moral authority – and no longer leave it to the self -serving, shiftless, sycophantic servants of the corporate rapists and pillagers of our people, like Dick Cheney’s buddies at the sole-source-contracts-in-Iraq-profiteer Halliburton; like Exxon, the plunderer of almost every person in our nation; and like the pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies that have made certain the American people do not have affordable, universal health care coverage.

9/23/2006 07:45:00 PM  
Anonymous humblenotry said...

On a humorous note how bout using a smaller weapon?

The uses of nanotechnology, microrobotics, femtotechnology, picotechnology, and mesotechnology are long past due. Man's best friend the Chihuahua can also give us a boost of confidence when things get tougher. Members of the smallest country in the world, Vatican City, can help to edify. Sanyo DMX-C1 Video Camera and the TinyTek Multi Micro DVR Power Pro High Definition DVR In a New Generation Multi-Functional Portable High Resolution 14 Hour Pocket DVR with Built-In Camera may be helpful too.

Or the V-Rambo. The receiver small enough to fit in a wristwatch. Last but not least Raymond "Ray" Palmer may also involve himself. The superhero better known as "The Atom."

. thing next to me potential weapon

9/23/2006 09:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Interesting shit for those that are interested:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040604160940/http://www.ktbs.com/news-detail.html?cityid=1&hid=23956

Dentist who was writing book about hijackers falls ill
posted: 06-03-2004

A dentist who claims he met three of the Sept. 11 hijackers in Shreveport one year before the attacks has mysteriously fallen ill and is on life support.

Dr. David Graham was driving back to Shreveport from Houston on Saturday night when he became sick. A friend said Graham began suffering organ failure and medical tests show possible poisoning. He is hospitalized in Houston.

Graham is trying to publish a book that claims meetings with the hijackers and another Middle Eastern man who is a federal fugitive here.

Mike Sledge, a friend of Graham, has a manuscript of Graham's book, "The Graham Report: The true story of three 9-11 hijackers who were reported to the FBI 10 months before 9-11." In it, Graham claims he met the hijackers at a home in Shreveport in September 2000 and thought they were plotting an attack on Barksdale Air Force Base. He said he reported them to the FBI.

"Certainly he was digging into some sensitive areas that may easily have caused some people some consternation," Sledge said.



http://www.ktbs.com/news/local/3970141.html

"He claimed he met three of the Sept. 11 hijackers in Shreveport a year before the attacks. Now, that man, Shreveport dentist Dr. David Graham, is dead.

His family says he was poisoned more than two years ago. At the time, Graham was trying to publish a manuscript about meeting three middle easterners in Shreveport, men he feared were plotting to bomb Barksdale Air Force Base. Graham wrote that he warned the FBI. Then after Sept. 11, he saw their pictures among the hijackers.

Before Graham was poisoned, he was supposed to testify at a deportation hearing against a Pakistani man, Jamal Khan, who hosted the men Graham believed to be the hijackers. Graham's brother, Edwin Jones, told us Wednesday night the family believes someone slipped poison into his drink, plunging him into a deadly illness."

**********************************************

"When Mohammad Jamal Khan pleaded guilty to trying to evade the requirement that large cash transactions be reported to banks and the government, federal prosecutors added an unusual caveat to his plea agreement: There would be no immunity from possible prosecution in the future for crimes relating to Sept. 11.

Khan, a Pakistani national, admitted wiring $9,999 to a bank account in Pakistan in 1997. It was part of efforts by another man to get $50,000 overseas, prosecutors said.

"In no case does the U.S. Attorney... agree that there will be no prosecution of the defendant for any crimes concerning the hijacking of any airline or attack on any building or death that occurred on Sept. 11, 2001," said one paragraph in Khan's 2002 plea agreement. "The U.S. Attorney is simply not aware of the involvement by the defendant in these crimes at this time."


& this:

http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/index.ssf?/base/news-32/115892916271560.xml&coll=6

" HOLLAND -- They reportedly knew about Janet Chandler's brutal murder.

In fact, law enforcement officials say some may have even raped the Hope College student in the hours before she died with a belt around her neck and Robert Lynch standing over her.

But these people -- police say 15 to 20 were at a party at a Chemtron Corp. guest house when Chandler died -- are not among the five men and one woman charged so far in the 27-year-old investigation.

An affidavit filed in Holland District Court names others it says knew about the plan to kill and torture Chandler before it occurred, and it alleges one man even took photos at the house.

So why haven't police charged others?

"What we tried to do is identify the people with the most culpability," said state police Lt. John Slenk, supervisor of the cold-case team that cracked the murder mystery. "There is no way we are ever going to charge 15 to 20 people. Some of the peripheral players are going to fall through the cracks."

Slenk said prosecutors are not convinced they can convict others at trial. In fact, police sought permission to charge six people this week for the slaying, but the state Attorney General's office only authorized five arrests.

"They look at what is the probability of a conviction," he said.

Chandler, 23, was the night desk clerk at the former Blue Mill Inn when, authorities allege, she was abducted by Wackenhut Security guards who were living at the inn and patrolling the strike-bound Chemtron property in Holland Township. In a plan spawned by anger and jealousy over sexual relationships, several guards allegedly raped, beat and tortured her until she died.

Lynch, one of four guards alleged to have choked Chandler with a belt, was allegedly assaulting her when she died. The 67-year-old Three Oaks man was the first suspect arrested, in February, followed this week by four other former guards and the hotel manager. "

9/24/2006 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What was that about Huffington avoiding discussion of Diebold and the Evil Voting Machines?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brad-friedman/the-let-america-vote-act_b_29811.html

9/24/2006 12:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Now why was an executive jet owned by one of Warren Buffett's companies "tracking" Flight 93 instead of a military jet try to intercept it?

Well, because CIA linked Warren Buffett (you don't think all his mega billions comes from "investing" do you?) was in charge of the technological substitutions.

That was why Buffett was at the main NORAD base on 9-11. Buffett is connected with a "non-profit" called MITRE (works with the Pentagon on remote controlled aviation and "mind-machine" interfaces) was in charge at the Offut Air Force Base.

Buffett was at NORAD/Offut by 7 a.m. on 9-11.

Offut is where Bush went later that day.

Buffett exposes his 9-11 links as well by rescuing select WTC CEO's he liked, like the female CEO that was quoted as saying she was invited by Buffett to his "charity ball" (at a nuclear secure NORAD base???? at 7 a.m.?? these f***ing liars) and said that she "watched the plane enter the WTC exactly where her office was. If I had been there I would have been killed."

So lots of connections via Buffett. He's later in Congress hearings saying that "you know, in the case of terrorists attacks it would probabaly be a good move if insurers didn't have to pay out for that". Buffett of course is a major owner of insurance companies. He doesn't mind terrorism if it hurts someone else, though he attempted to make sure he could insulate his insurance billions from his evil deeds.

Did Buffett and Bush meet at Offut?

More interesting is that fact that Flight 93 was rumored to have been shot down...

There's no crash site for "93". There is evidence instead that something blew up or was shot down (or both) in midair and was unrequired to have a "crash site". Though to hide the shoot down, they rigged one. A really bad one.

There is a poorly organized 'fake crash site' though. 93 landed at Cleveland and they quickly faked a crash somewhere else. Likely just a bomb in a field somewhere.


from the above article:

On the morning of 9-11, for example, the Associated Press reported that United 93 made an emergency landing at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport. ...

The AP story clearly reported that United had identified the plane that landed at Cleveland as Flight 93.

Cleveland's Mayor Michael R. White reportedly said the plane had landed ...

The most obvious problem with the official version that "Flight 93 crashed at the site near Shanksville" is that the photographs and eyewitness accounts describe a crater too small for a such a large plane to have crashed into. The crater at the reclaimed mine was less than 20 feet across and about 6 feet deep....

Nena Lensbouer, who had prepared lunch for the workers at the scrap yard overlooking the crash site, said she was the first person to reach the crater. Lensbouer said that the crater was five to six feet deep and smaller than the 24-foot trailer in her front yard. She described the sound as "an explosion, like an atomic bomb" - not a crash. [She does not describe seeing a screeching plane coming out of the sky and crashing there.]

Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller, who was one of the first people to arrive at the crash site, said it looked as if someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped trash into it. [Which is probabaly what they did, since the scrap yard was right next door. Hilarious. They probabaly picked the "crash site" because it was so near the scrap they used.]

[Coroner] Miller said there was nothing visible of human remains and that it was as if the plane had "stopped and let the passengers off before it crashed." He said that the most eerie thing about the site was that he hadn't seen a "single drop of blood."

Miller said he was stunned at how small the crater was. "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes," Miller said, "because there were no bodies there."


[from the explosion in midair]...one of the massive engines, Leverknight said,...was found at a considerable distance in the woods. To link it to the fake "crash site", the ridiculous story literally is "it inexplicably bounced off the ground and into the woods" [Frankly, though, I've never seen photographic proof of this engine even being there in the first place, only news stories "referencing" it. And turbine engines don't bounce. All the physical evidence points [1] to a staged crash scene [2] to disguise the Flight 93 landing at Cleveland, [3] and to disguise some plane blowing up in midair. Who knows what happened to the radio controlled substitution, perhaps it was blown up in mid air, perhaps it was salvaged. 99% guess is the remote controlled substitution was what blew up. The "smoke in the lavatory" radio op sounds fake to me to disguise simply because that becomes the ONLY alibi that there was some sort of damage remember first, then they switch stories to the feel good "heros of 93" idiocy. Cell phones don't work in the air like that anyway. If there is another interpretation I'd like to hear it.]

A second plane, identified as Delta 1989, was also reported to have landed at the Cleveland airport due to fears of sabotage. At a news conference, Mayor White identified the plane as a Boeing 767 flying from Boston to Los Angeles. It may be more than coincidence that both of the flights that allegedly struck the World Trade Center also originated at Boston's Logan Airport. [Boston "security" links back to Mossad run Dutch security companies, that link right back to PM Olmert now.]


The Akron Beacon Journal reported that the mayor had stated that 200 passengers had been released from the plane at 11:15 a.m. [That was the Delta 1989 flight which had much more on board.]

The airport in Cleveland had been evacuated at 10 a.m. [right as the decisions for evertying regarding Flight 93 was being decided, the substitute is still in the air then. The airport was completely sealed off: they refused to let anyone drive out, people had to walk miles to get out of the airport. they totally sealed off everything.]

"Airline passengers and crew members were walking onto the highway to find their rides as no cars were allowed into the passenger drop off and pick up areas," the Journal reported.

The following day, Sept. 12, the Journal reported that an eyewitness had watched the Delta plane sitting near the I-X Center, which is a facility at the southeast edge of the airfield. It also reported that 78 passengers [which would have likely been the Flight 93 personnel/black operations staff from the flight that hijacked the "original Flight 93" that landed] "were taken to NASA Glenn Research Center...."

[The Flight 93 large plane disappears during this period, after landing. Other stories have been correlated noting it was actually the Flt. 93 near the NASA area.]

[I expect the U.S. black op terrorists on "intentionally low populated Flt. 93" were saved by the U.S., and the residual civilians were killed there by the U.S. Government. Actually, their bodies were then taken to be "identified" at the same morgue where the Pentagon bodies were. They were identified by the same "Bone guys" who did the cover up for Waco in Texas, by the way. "Government science" in action...Corrupt on all levels.]

The NASA facility is at the extreme northwest end of the airfield.

American Free Press called the former mayor at his 45-acre alpaca ranch, Seven Pines Alpacas in Newcomerstown, Ohio, to inquire about the events at the Cleveland airport on 9-11. White, however, was unwilling to discuss anything and cut the conversation short saying, "I'm out of the interview business."

On August 17, 2005, White's business associate and close friend, Nate Gray, was convicted of 36 criminal counts relating to bribery of public officials in four cities. Two days after the Gray conviction, Brent Larkin, in an editorial in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, wrote: "Now we know that, at the very least, White presided over a government that will forever be remembered as one of the most corrupt in the city's history."

The central figure in the corruption of the White administration appears to be Samuel H. Miller,...


As for a quote on Mojo Filter:

"It is my belief that flight 93 was to target the US Capitol building, intended to take out a chunk of it and some portion of the senators and congressmen and women inside. That done, it would have been a quick step that very day to declaring martial law, which would have put us all into full luciferian police state mode, and we would all have been living under a complete totalitarian nightmare for 5 year now, instead of only the partial one that exists thus far."

I would 99% sure agree with that hypothesis.

1. The "flight 93" substitution was indeed heading toward Washington DC to hit something you can bet.

2. They messed up and attempted to make it look 'right' as well: right before "93" goes hijack (or perhaps even after, I forget, I could look it up...), it attempts to radio in to DC actually, saying "er, now that we have this full plane stop in effect, we just thought we would fly to land in DC instead of the closest airport as we were told, sort of you know 500 miles out of our way into a sensitive area. How does that sound? When that was rejected, "93" goes immediately "hijack", and starts moving in a beeline toward DC anyway. At this point Cleveland's "real 93" plane lands (with less than 100 passengers) while the empty radio controlled substitute is still attempting to get to DC by hook or by crook.

3. They perhaps realize that it's going to look really bad if a fourth plane makes it to hit something about three hours into a standdown, so they decide to abourt the fourth false flag hit, salvage or destroy the remote controlled plane, and rig a crash site.

4. Even the Bush idiot said that he and Cheney discussed shooting down the fourth plane. Bush said, he remarked to the media on shooting it down: "You bet. Little discussion, but not much." First, who knows what really happened, though I expect that something was shot down in midair and explodes all over and thus fails to require a "crash site". Then they rig a fake crash site to hide shooting something down. Of course if they had instantaneous discussions about the FOURTH plane (around 10:00 a.m.), and Cheney said that there were open lines from immediately after THE FIRST plane reports hijakcing (by around or before 8:30 a.m), then it is obviously Cheney's fault that nothing was done inbetween with how easy Bush relates was the decision.

"Since I doubt the planners left random acts of self-defense by the passengers to chance, they were probably gassed and unconscious long before the crash.

Possible, though unrequired, if the original UAL93 plane is landing at Cleveland, as the media and the mayor reported.

Perhaps they blew up the drone, and then rigged the crash site. I think that would fit better with the huge airborne dispersal.

5. It's intersting that they seem to have two stories they tested out. One was that the "hijackers blew up their own plane in midair before getting to DC" which fails to really make a lot of sense if they are really hijackers of course taking all that trouble to get to DC (that sounds like a "Plan A" story, replaced and ignored later for the "Plan B" story of it "crashing in Pennsylvania without a midair explosion thanks to the fake ass stupid heros."

6. I think that yes, it was likely headed for the Capitol as well, as per Cheney's coaching and lots of preplanning. Flight 93 may have ruined the whole queuing of the day, since it was unforseenly delayed a long while on its tarmac, unlike all other planes. That made the whole substitution run late, long after the others had even hit.

7. Another plane, or even Flight 93 after substitution, may have been headed to hit the Chicago Sears Tower on 9-11 as well. "Flight 93" was strangely really close to Chicago, when it did a 180 degree turn like something had changed in the planning, and then it immediately lands at Cleveland/NASA base and that is hushed up.

8. I expect that there may have been more than four plane substitution/hijakcings intended that day, and the other ones were completely cancelled. That was the original story of the day, if you will recall..., which I think was more than simply intentional war games 'fog.'

9. Some alternative decision point was reached where 93 turned away from Chicago, toward landing in Cleveland. Then the strange behavior.

10. The untoward event was the never before done "full national all stop" that revealed which planes were the treasonous NORAD ones immediately--far sooner than they wanted. That was taken by someone in charge of the "big board".

11. Just like putting John O'Neill in on 9-11 for his "first day on the job", ...

12. ...the guy in charge of the "big board" for the FAA had 9-11 for his "first day on the job". How conveinent. However, he coolly orderd a complete national stop. (Actually, such a "clear the skies" order was taken without his authorization in the New York City airspace before he acted; then he acted). THAT is what really saved everyone from things much worse in my opinion. No one could claim war games fog after all the planes started landing and were forced to radio in and set up landing goals. The ones that then would have failed to do so could have been immediately singled out.

13. Evidence for the "real Flight 93" still being intact exists well into 2005, like several other substitutions. Bonesmen enter this as well, and its likely why American Airlines was so on the ball, and United Airlines was a little laxadaisical, only bothering to report the "official 9-11 hijakced planes" destroyed in 2005.

Read this:

VERY STRANGE 9.11 AIRCRAFT REGISTRATIONS

Wednesday, 5 July 2006, 2:38 p.m.

Here are some very strange findings regarding the paper-fate of the four aircraft that went "missing" on 9/11. The following info is copied directly from www.planecrashinfo.com http://www.planecrashinfo.com .

You're free to verify the data yourself if you want to do the homework. I did...

This is the official story:

11 Sep 2001 New York City, New York

United Air Lines
Boeing B-767-222
N612UA 65/65
11 Sep 2001 New York City, New York

American Airlines
Boeing 767-223ER
N334AA 92/92
11 Sep 2001 Arlington, Virginia.

American Airlines
Boeing B-757-223
N644AA 64/64
11 Sep 2001 Shanksville, Pennsylvania

United Air Lines
Boeing B-757-222
N591UA 44/44

It shows the four flights of 9/11, including tail numbers and crash information on the links.

The information below is copied directly from the Federal Aviation Administration's N-number registry http://registry.faa.gov/

The first plane listed is American Airlines Flight 11, tail number N334AA, which "crashed into the WTC North Tower."

Note reason for cancellation, and
cancel date.

FAA Registry
N-Number Inquiry Results

---------------------------------

N334AA is Deregistered

Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1

Aircraft Description
Serial Number 22332 Type Registration
Corporation Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date
01/06/2000 Model 767-223 Mode S Code 50722254 Year
Manufacturer 1987 Cancel Date 01/14/2002 Reason for
Cancellation Destroyed Exported To

Next is American Flight 77, tail number N644AA, which "hit the Pentagon." [actually was no where near it, its repoted "going down" low over the Ohio border as well, perhaps landing. This is the plane full of lots of Pentagona and black operations crews who work on secret contracts for the Pentagon. Plane piloted by ex-Penagaon worker as well, who had "retired to take a job" with AA a few years earlier.]

Please note the same details, reason for cancellation and cancellation date.

FAA Registry
N-Number Inquiry Results

---------------------------------

N644AA is Deregistered

Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1

Aircraft Description
Serial Number 24602 Type Registration
Corporation Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date
05/08/1991 Model 757-223 Mode S Code 52072030 Year
Manufacturer 1991 Cancel Date 01/14/2002 Reason for
Cancellation Destroyed Exported To

Why was it "cancelled" in January 2002??

Next is United Flight 175, tail number N612UA, which "hit the South Tower of the WTC." Please note the same details.

Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1

Aircraft Description
Serial Number 21873 Type Registration
Corporation Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date
01/18/1984 Model 767-222 Mode S Code 51773757 Year
Manufacturer 1983 Cancel Date 09/28/2005 Reason for
Cancellation Cancelled Exported To

Hmmm. What? Cancelled registration on 9/28/05? Not destroyed and
deregisterd in early 2002?


What about the last flight, United Flight 93,
tail number N591UA, the one that "allegedly crashed near Shanksville,
Pennsylvania."

Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1

Aircraft Description
Serial Number 28142 Type Registration
Corporation Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date
07/01/1996 Model 757-222 Mode S Code 51721341 Year
Manufacturer 1996 Cancel Date 09/28/2005 Reason for
Cancellation Cancelled Exported To

Huh? Cancelled? On the same date in 2005? Not destroyed and cancelled
in early 2002?

How can American Airlines flights show the planes destroyed and the registration cancelled, while both United flights show the planes as simply being cancelled without explanation 4 years after they allegedly were destroyed? Why?

What the heck is going on here?

[My suggestion. AA was more on the ball as for the cover up, because one of the board members for the holding company that owns AA is Bonesman Head of University of Oklahoma, who was having "working breakfast" with the freaking head of the CIA in DC that morning. No joke. This was Bonesmen DAVID BOREN, who it is rumored was forced out of Congress (and his CIA oversight connections) in the 1990s due to a pedophile scandal in which he was involved, though it was hushed up. The University of Oklahoma where Bonesmen Boren was inserted was the host of everything from Massaoui to that other CIA guy who just happened to have let Massaoui use his laptop and passwords. Awfully friendly. What was that guys name?]

These are public records about these planes, accessible by everyone until their purge date is reached.

That is Nov. 11, 2006 for both United flights.

There is no purge date listed for the two American Airlines flights.

Why would a company keep two aircraft that had been destroyed on its active lineup for four years, and then simply list the registration as "Cancelled"?

Even the most ardent coincidence theorist is going to have to think hard to come up with some rationale for this one.


8. I think that Cheney's clique attempted to kill Bush as well early morning on 9-11 in Florida with that fake "unscheduled interview with an Arab news team", that happened to know the classified names of Secret Service personnel.

With Bush dead in the early morning of 9-11, the alibi of the "confused chain of command" would look more believable, eh? And it would benefit Cheney who did everything to keep Bush out of the way on 9-11 anyway, particularly when Bush wanted to come back to DC immediately, though Cheney, the person with the real power bitch slapped Bush and said "screw off" we don't want you here. Then of course to make that believable someone else leaked high level Air Force One access codes which showed that the terrorist mole was internal and certainly once more leaked back to Cheney telling Bush to 'get the hell away from me this morning, or I just may shoot you down anyway.'

Days earlier the U.S. had just killed the "George Washington of Afghanistan" Ahmoud, a good man, who was not in leage with the the U.S. plan to take over his country, though he had a large following there.

This guy was killed days before 9-11 in Afghanistan via an "exploding camera". It was a ruse that people were there to interview him, instead they assassinate him via the exploding camera they position innocently close to him.

Then the same op style turns up on 9-11 where another unscheduled "film crew" likely attempted to off Bush that morning. The crew was in another "Mossad like white van".

You have to remember that according to Ostrovsky, that Mossad was keen to kill George H. W. Bush as well, blame it on Palistinians, to foment a war they could use in the Middle East. Killing his son would hardly be different for the same goal. (Do read Ostrovsky's books.)

That would leave Cheney completely in control. As well as Mossad. The two time Bushes would be out of the way. And their tiny branch of Bonesmen would be a mere bush once more. The mainline tree of the Bonesmen Cheneys (though not Cheney himself, though he went to Yale as well) would be in charge.

That probably explains Bush and Cheney's high animosity for each other. The rumor I heard I thikn through Wayde Madsen is that instead of Bush 'choking on a pretzel' bully boy Bush had challenged Cheney to a fight and got his ass kicked by Cheney.

9/24/2006 05:47:00 AM  
Anonymous orz said...

Perhaps the gas that was supposed to take out the passengers and crew malfunctioned, and that's how they were able to attempt to rush the cockpit.
Just so you can consider all the evidence for this, remote control and gassing the passengers is pretty convincingly, and refreshingly non-insultingly, debunked here:
http://911myths.com/Remote_Takeover.pdf

+ there's a response here: http://www.kolumbus.fi/totuus/doc/remcon.html

9/24/2006 06:57:00 AM  
Anonymous orz said...

p.s. i'm not too impressed with that response i just posted url of... typical cart before horse stuff... trying to shoehorn the unarguable evidence into increasingly watered down and tenuous version of their original theory. :-S

But yeah, please everyone read the original remote takeover PDF... don't let the fact that the guy's from the debunking camp get in the way of some pretty strong evidence.


Haha, here's one for the keyword hijacking fans: my word verification for this post was "povjewz" :-0

:)

9/24/2006 07:02:00 AM  
Anonymous silverfox said...

The Bay of Pigs disaster followed up closely by the "touch me and go directly to Hell" Cuban missile crisis, caused a major body blow to any notions of American invincibility or simply being able to do whatever it pleased with impunity, even in it's own so-called "backyard" as Central and South America are still conceitedly viewed by far many Americans.

If the military/industrial complex couldn't get Castro or the all-out nuclear war they genuinely wanted with the Soviets at the time, they could at least get Kennedy and the Vietnam War instead. (It was JFK after all who had the temerity to refer to the Pentagon brass as being "completely mad" during the talks over the crisis....hmmm?)

Obviously those madmen still had to be placated in some way to prevent them from potentially taking any future matters into their own hands, if indeed JFK's demise and the subsequent cover-up of it were viewed as part of their handiwork or worse yet helpfully arranged by some others in very high places who saw similar gains of their own to be made by forcing events in that particular direction.

"Might" or even "could have been" would have been more than a sufficient a threat to LBJ or any subsequent presidents that followed him for that matter.

That was most likely why Johnson agreed to simply gave them Vietnam on a silver platter and stick to that altogether sickening and debilitating deal, not to mention the unforgiveable lie it was actually based on, even though it meant his own inevitable political ruin.

It was that move that essentially negated and dogged every effort Johnson made to have his Presidency remembered in anything like a positive light. LBJ could resign from politics but he couldn't resign himself to ending the the war. Nor could RFK or MLK even threaten to get in the way of it without becoming fatalities themselves...hmmm?

Nixon also lived far too long in that black shadow of Vietnam than can be explained otherwise. In many ways his own fall was predicated on it.

If anything it was the overwhelming desperation to see that needless and endless slaughter ended that fed into his paranoid delusions that literally everyone was simply out to get him rather than out to get him to stop the damnable war.

In hindsight the critical juncture for any overt removal of Castro (at least without staggering international consequences), had incontrovertably come and gone with the failed invasion at the Bay of Pigs, just as it has similarly passed by for Chavez when his people co-opted his would be co-opters.

All that can be done in either case now is the usual US manoevering to harass and make life as miserable as possible for the two leader's civilian populations as is covertly possible, always on the lookout for some sufficiently plausible deniabilty and impetus for something that at least be blamed on a home-grown internal take-over.

That's an exceedingly tall order considering that both men continue to hold the solid support of their citizenry and take every concievable precaution against it.

The more they are reviled and scorned by US administrations and the US media the more popular and entrenched they seemingly become. There's a lesson of some kind in that...hmmm?

We might also consider that much of the world is sufficiently vexed and exasperated with the Bush administration's antics to finally make life very difficult for American businesses everywhere or anywhere at the first sign of US meddling or interference with them.

They are more than a little ready to endure some pain themselves at this point if they have to make that point unequivocably clear.

Anyone and everyone is a target for the Bush regime if they happen to disagree with it in any way, shape, or form. Given the unscrupulous nature of what they have already seen and the openly stated "full spectrum dominance" the longer they wait the more they wil have to lose.

So the price, no matter how you slice it, just like what the US already has on its plate, is simply too impossibly high and any gains likely to be just as illusionary as those in Iraq have have proven to be.

There is also the little matter of the growing reality of MERCOSAR, which unlike NAFTA with all the uses and abuses the US system can wreak on it, follows the very same principled lines the EU has used to put an end to any further US depradations there.

The EU no longer tolerates the pitting of one European state against another to simply enrich US based multinationals. This is why the US is now so busy trying to currry favour and delay any potentially new EU members from joining the EU any way it can... whether it's in Poland, Turkey, Khazakstan, the Balkan states, or Pakistan.

Meanwhile China and India are taking the Pacific rim and Asian subcontinents beyond that same exploitative US reach in the very same mutually protective direction.

"Fair" rather than "free" trade is the order of the day with an emphasis on equatable development and complimentary benefits.

Certainly not the so-called "level playing field" in which the US is guaranteed to use every political, economic or military trick it has, fair or foul, to take the lion's share of any profits while seeing to it that the other side never will, regardless of whatever their agreement says.

9/24/2006 08:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I don't know about you all, but I can't wait for the next Big False Flag Terrorist Event here in the U.S...........if, for no other reason, it will, once and for all, diffuse the endless debate about 911, and refocus it on the disinfo surrounding the newly Christened Pearl Harbor.....because, afterall, there's no rule that says Pearl Harbors can only replicate themselves once every 60 years.

It's all bones for the dogs to chew.....and nothing more...of that much, I am certain.

Restaurants fail to impress me any longer. We've reached a point in life where the quality of the food we prepare at home is far superior to anything we can get in a restaurant.....the only benefit is that we don't have to clean up the dishes.

9/24/2006 09:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Hilda Martinez said...

Hello Shrubageddon,

Sarcasm doesn't become you.

Many people do not know the history of Guantanamo Bay, so many people would not agree with your "tell us something we don't already know" comment.

And you really shouldn't make assumptions about others' reading comprehension or ability to pronounce your name. I understood what you are getting at and even though I'm not a native speaker of English I can say your made-up name.

I think (and this is my opinion) that people like Castro and Chavez (and "rebels" like Michael Moore)are permitted to exist for all of us to let out certain emotions "through" them. We cheer when they harangue Bush and through cheering we let up those pent up emotions that would otherwise fester and perhaps cause us to take real action. I believe TV and movies serve the same way.

I notice that when Jeff lets the posts go on for too long that everything ends up going personal. There are a handful of people who destroy the discussion this way and we know them all by name. I don't want to be counted among them (more fodder for you??).

9/24/2006 11:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Sarcasm doesn't become you.

Of course it doesn't. It is me.

Many people do not know the history of Guantanamo Bay, so many people would not agree with your "tell us something we don't already know" comment.

You are correct. I should never have said "we." The people who call into C-Span, by and large, don't have a clue where Guantanamo is, let alone its history.

And you really shouldn't make assumptions about others' reading comprehension or ability to pronounce your name. I understood what you are getting at and even though I'm not a native speaker of English I can say your made-up name.

Your interpretation of what I wrote was not my intent. You have asserted in the past that you are not fond of me, and I respect that, but I can't let it drop when you generally refer to me as some poster when addressing a point I raised. Sorry, I won't let you marginalize me like that, regardless of your disdain for me.

I think (and this is my opinion) that people like Castro and Chavez (and "rebels" like Michael Moore)are permitted to exist for all of us to let out certain emotions "through" them. We cheer when they harangue Bush and through cheering we let up those pent up emotions that would otherwise fester and perhaps cause us to take real action. I believe TV and movies serve the same way.

Bingo!! We are on the same page....and, perhaps, even the same paragraph and sentence.

I notice that when Jeff lets the posts go on for too long that everything ends up going personal. There are a handful of people who destroy the discussion this way and we know them all by name. I don't want to be counted among them (more fodder for you??).

What does it really matter, Hilda? You yourself said you don't like to join groups because someone invariably has to insinuate themselves as leader and lay down ground rules. I find you guilty of the same when you make comments like this last one. Embrace and enjoy the diversity, and I implore you to refrain from calling in The Big Stick when the discussion doesn't appeal to you.

I think some folks here, and on the Internet, and in life, in general, take themselves way too seriously. Let's loosen up a bit, please!! The gravity of these topics calls for a bit of levity to vent the paranoia. I bring levity because of my empathy.....and for that you want to persecute me? Where's your empathy?

By the way, regardless of how you feel about me, I both love and like you, Hilda. I like what you have to say, and I respect your opinion, even if I don't always agree. Believe it, or not, I do agree with you 98% of the time....isn't that a scary thought?

9/24/2006 01:04:00 PM  
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9/24/2006 01:28:00 PM  
Anonymous CUI BONO said...

Carlyle poised to bid for Libyan oil giant, says son of Gaddafi

US private equity group with links to leading Republicans in talks to buy state-controlled Tamoil, valued at €3bn

By David Owen and Sarah Wachter
Published: 24 September 2006

US private equity giant Carlyle is in talks to acquire Libya's state-controlled oil refining and marketing operation, Tamoil.

Al-Saadi Gaddafi, the son of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, the country's long-time leader, said Carlyle was one of four or five groups involved in an international tender to buy 100 per cent of Tamoil. It is thought the business will fetch close to €3bn (£2bn).

Mr Gaddafi added that the other candidates included groups from Poland, Hungary and the United Arab Emirates. In addition, he said the Italian energy group ERG might have "increased their bid a little bit. So maybe they will come back."

Neither ERG nor Carlyle would comment.

Tamoil was acquired by Oilinvest, Libya's foreign oil investment arm, in 1988. It refines, markets and sells the country's oil, and has around 3,000 petrol stations in Italy, Germany, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Spain, with a further 150 in Africa.

The Washington DC-based Carlyle has been known in the past for its links to prominent right-wing US politicians. These include the former US secretary of state James Baker and the former US defense secretary Frank Carlucci, as well as the former British prime minister John Major. None of the men retains positions with the company.


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Funny how they don't mention George H.W. Bush, or the Bin Laden family, both principal players in Carlyle.

And then there's this:
__________________________________

Who benefits from the Afghan Opium Trade?

by Michel Chossudovsky

September 21, 2006
GlobalResearch.ca

The United Nations has announced that opium poppy cultivation in Afghanistan has soared and is expected to increase by 59% in 2006. The production of opium is estimated to have increased by 49% in relation to 2005.

The Western media in chorus blame the Taliban and the warlords. The Bush administration is said to be committed to curbing the Afghan drug trade: "The US is the main backer of a huge drive to rid Afghanistan of opium... "

Yet in a bitter irony, US military presence has served to restore rather than eradicate the drug trade.

What the reports fail to acknowledge is that the Taliban government was instrumental in implementing a successful drug eradication program, with the support and collaboration of the UN.

Implemented in 2000-2001, the Taliban's drug eradication program led to a 94 percent decline in opium cultivation. In 2001, according to UN figures, opium production had fallen to 185 tons. Immediately following the October 2001 US led invasion, production increased dramatically, regaining its historical levels.

The Vienna based UN Office on Drugs and Crime estimates that the 2006 harvest will be of the order of 6,100 tonnes, 33 times its production levels in 2001 under the Taliban government (3200 % increase in 5 years).

Cultivation in 2006 reached a record 165,000 hectares compared with 104,000 in 2005 and 7,606 in 2001 under the Taliban (See table below).

Multibillion dollar trade

According to the UN, Afghanistan supplies in 2006 some 92 percent of the world's supply of opium, which is used to make heroin.

The UN estimates that for 2006, the contribution of the drug trade to the Afghan economy is of the order of 2.7 billion. What it fails to mention is the fact that more than 95 percent of the revenues generated by this lucrative contraband accrues to business syndicates, organized crime and banking and financial institutions. A very small percentage accrues to farmers and traders in the producing country.

(See also UNODC, The Opium Economy in Afghanistan, http://www.unodc.org/pdf/publications/afg_opium_economy_www.pdf , Vienna, 2003, p. 7-8)

"Afghan heroin sells on the international narcotics market for 100 times the price farmers get for their opium right out of the field".(US State Department quoted by the Voice of America (VOA), 27 February 2004).

Based on wholesale and retail prices in Western markets, the earnings generated by the Afghan drug trade are colossal. In July 2006, street prices in Britain for heroin were of the order of Pound Sterling 54, or $102 a gram.

Narcotics On the Streets of Western Europe

One kilo of opium produces approximately 100 grams of (pure) heroin. 6100 tons of opium allows the production of 1220 tons of heroin with a 50 percent purity ratio.

The average purity of retailed heroin can vary. It is on average 36%. In Britain, the purity is rarely in excess of 50 percent, while in the US it can be of the order of 50-60 percent.

Based on the structure of British retail prices for heroin, the total proceeds of the Afghan heroin trade would be of the order of 124.4 billion dollars, assuming a 50 percent purity ratio. Assuming an average purity ratio of 36 percent and the average British price, the cash value of Afghan heroin sales would be of the order of 194.4 billion dollars.

While these figures do not constitute precise estimates, they nonetheless convey the sheer magnitude of this multibillion dollar narcotics trade out of Afghanistan. Based on the first figure which provides a conservative estimate, the cash value of these sales, once they reach Western retail markets are in excess of 120 billion dollars a year.

(See also our detailed estimates for 2003 in The Spoils of War: Afghanistan's Multibillion Dollar Heroin Trade, by Michel Chossudovsky, The UNODC estimates the average retail price of heroin for 2004 to be of the order of $157 per gram, based on the average purity ratio).

Narcotics: Second to Oil and the Arms Trade

The foregoing estimates are consistent with the UN's assessment concerning the size and magnitude of the global drug trade.

The Afghan trade in opiates (92 percent of total World production of opiates) constitutes a large share of the worldwide annual turnover of narcotics, which was estimated by the United Nations to be of the order of $400-500 billion.

(Douglas Keh, Drug Money in a Changing World, Technical document No. 4, 1998, Vienna UNDCP, p. 4. See also United Nations Drug Control Program, Report of the International Narcotics Control Board for 1999, E/INCB/1999/1 United Nations, Vienna 1999, p. 49-51, and Richard Lapper, UN Fears Growth of Heroin Trade, Financial Times, 24 February 2000).

Based on 2003 figures, drug trafficking constitutes "the third biggest global commodity in cash terms after oil and the arms trade." (The Independent, 29 February 2004).

Afghanistan and Colombia are the largest drug producing economies in the world, which feed a flourishing criminal economy. These countries are heavily militarized. The drug trade is protected. Amply documented the CIA has played a central role in the development of both the Latin American and Asian drug triangles.

The IMF estimated global money laundering to be between 590 billion and 1.5 trillion dollars a year, representing 2-5 percent of global GDP. (Asian Banker, 15 August 2003). A large share of global money laundering as estimated by the IMF is linked to the trade in narcotics.

Legal Business and Illicit Trade are Intertwined

There are powerful business and financial interests behind narcotics. From this standpoint, geopolitical and military control over the drug routes is as strategic as oil and oil pipelines.

Moreover, the above figures including those on money laundering, confirm that the bulk of the revenues associated with the global trade in narcotics are not appropriated by terrorist groups and warlords, as suggested by the UNODC report. In the case of Afghanistan, the UN Office on Drugs and Crime estimates that a mere 2.7 billion accrues as revenue within Afghanistan. According to the US State department "Afghanistan drug profits support the Taliban and their terrorism efforts against the United States, its allies and the Afghan government." (statement, the House Appropriations foreign operations, export financing and related programs subcommittee. September 12, 2006)

However, what distinguishes narcotics from legal commodity trade is that narcotics constitutes a major source of wealth formation not only for organized crime but also for the US intelligence apparatus, which increasingly constitutes a powerful actor in the spheres of finance and banking. This relationship has been documented by several studies including the writings of Alfred McCoy. (Drug Fallout: the CIA's Forty Year Complicity in the Narcotics Trade. The Progressive, 1 August 1997).

In other words, intelligence agencies, powerful business, drug traders and organized crime are competing for the strategic control over the heroin routes. A large share of this multi-billion dollar revenues of narcotics are deposited in the Western banking system. Most of the large international banks together with their affiliates in the offshore banking havens launder large amounts of narco-dollars.

This trade can only prosper if the main actors involved in narcotics have "political friends in high places." Legal and illegal undertakings are increasingly intertwined, the dividing line between "businesspeople" and criminals is blurred. In turn, the relationship among criminals, politicians and members of the intelligence establishment has tainted the structures of the state and the role of its institutions including the Military.

9/24/2006 02:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Africkinamerican said:

Shrubageddon said...

Come on, guys....and gals....let's not forget the gals....not that I don't favor Chavez's message, but do you really think, for a moment, that he would be alive if he wasn't useful in some way to the Purebloods? Same with Fidel? Explain Guantanamo on Cuban Soil yet we are bitter enemies.....without resorting to conventional wisdom.


There is unconventional wisdom in Shrub's comment. And to think, I had him/her pegged as just another blinkered lefty partisan!

Yes, Shrub, it would be very wise to maintain some skepticism toward all white knights who appear poised to ride in and slay the dragon. Chavez, no matter how bright his halo may appear to glow today, is still a strongman in power in a strategically significant, oil-rich country. He didn't get there by a fluke.

Shrub also shows skepticism toward Castro, which sets him apart from the run-of-the-mill lefty crowd. As I have commented before at this very site, the idea of a Left/Right divide is an illusion. The arrangement of seats in the French Assembly of 1791 has nothing to do with modern American politics and it's beyond me why we should forevermore stuff our political discourse and thought into these hopelessly simplistic and misleading thought-boxes.

The real variable in politics, as well as in economics, is power. Specifically, who has it and where it is located. WHen it is centralized, you move toward tyranny. When it is decentralized, you have liberty.
It does not matter what the centralizing force calls itself -- right, left, fascist, communist, National Socialist, Soviet Socialist, corporatist, a "People's Republic," free market, social democratic .... nor even whether the party in power is at present fully wielding its power in tyrannical and violent ways. What matters is who's got the power. When the policeman is cracking you over the head with a truncheon, do you care whether his jacket says "Left" or "Right"?

Liberty and Tyranny were the terms in which the founders of the USA thought. Not "left" and "right," since there are individuals and groups on both Left and Right who are pro-liberty and others who are pro-tyranny; or as is very common, they may often be pro-tyranny on one issue, but pro-liberty on another! That is the muddled state of political thought today. The false left/right labels are part of the problem.

The dynamics of political and economic power (not to mention social and religious mores) are more complex than that.

Besides that, it is easy to show that the prevailing elements of the "Left" are controlled by forces that leftists believe they are fighting. (This reality goes back to the French Revolution itself.)


The structure of financial controls created by the tycoons of "Big Banking" and "Big Business" . . . was of extraordinary complexity . . . one, centered in New York, was headed by J.P. Morgan and Company, and the other, in Ohio, was headed by the Rockefeller family. When these two cooperated, as they generally did, they could influence the economic life of the country . . . and could almost control its political life, at least on the Federal level." ...

"To Morgan all political parties were simply organizations to be used, and the firm always was careful to keep a foot in all camps. Morgan himself, Dwight Morrow, and other partners were allied with Republicans; Russell C. Leffingwell was allied with the Democrats; Grayson Murphy was allied with the extreme Right; and Thomas W. Lamont was allied with the Left . . . Our concern at the moment is with the links between Wall Street and the Left, especially the Communists . . . . The chief evidence, however, can be found in the files of the HUAC which shows Tom Lamont, his wife Flora, and his son Corliss as sponsors and financial angels to almost a score of extreme Left organizations, including the Communist Party itself." ...

"It was this group of people . . . who provided much of the framework of influence which the Communist sympathizers and fellow travelers took over in the United States in the 1930's. It must be recognized that the power that these energetic Left-wingers exercised was never their own power or Communist power but was ultimately the power of the international financial coterie, and, once the anger and suspicions of the American people were aroused, as they were by 1950, it was a fairly simple matter to get rid of the Red sympathizers. Before this could be done, however, a congressional committee, following backward to their source the threads which led from admitted Communists like Whittaker Chambers, through Alger Hiss, and the Carnegie Endowment to Thomas Lamont and the Morgan Bank, fell into the whole complicated network of interlocking tax-exempt foundations. The Eighty-third Congress . . . set up a Special Committee to Investigate Tax-Exempt Foundations . . . . It soon became clear that people of immense wealth would be unhappy if the investigation went too far and that the "most respected" newspapers in the country, closely allied with these men of wealth, would not get excited enough about any revelations to make the publicity worth while, in terms of votes or campaign contributions."


Carroll Quigley in Tragedy and Hope, exerpted in an informative article at the "right-wing" Radio Liberty)

C'mon, people. We're all intelligent. Let's ditch these false and limiting thought-boxes, which absolutely prevent intelligent discourse or thought about the real issues.

9/24/2006 02:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Hilda Martinez said...

I wish I could communicate with Shrubageddon off of this comment board because I don't want to turn into what I don't like here: someone who turns the discussion into something personal. Yes, I know I'm contradicting myself.

Never have I ever expressed dislike for you, Shrubageddon, or anyone else on this board, for that matter.

When I said "some poster" it was exactly what I wrote, in context. I read so many posts that day that I really didn't remember who said what about Guantanamo. That's it. Marginalization? Try forgetfulness and laziness to scroll up on my part.

Where's my Big Stick? I don't get it. I was just expressing a dislike for personal attacks (I love the real discussion that goes on here). I also don't understand what sticking to the discussion has to do with my lack of desire for joining groups.

I'm not persecuting you and I don't want to persecute you or anyone else. I really can't understand where all of this is coming from. Where's my empathy? It's in my corazon and it has nothing to do with what I wrote here. I think you are taking this farther than I could have imagined. I don't get any of it, frankly.

But look at me, I am straying off topic like I don't like. I am guilty and I won't do this again. Sorry posters.

Back to topic, I for one am glad that these people - Castro, Chavez, et al - are allowed to exist by the Powers that Be. What they don't realize in their Manhattan or London boardrooms is that while providing us with a relief valve in the richer countries, these figures serve as real inspiration to the real oppressed throughout the world, especially in Latin America. As someone who has lived in 2 Latin American countries I can speak to some authority on this. Chavez might be getting set up to take a fall or it may all backfire. THEY can't control everything, and we know evil never wins in the end anyway.

9/24/2006 02:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Linguistic Parser said...

Is that "Africkinamerican" or

A frickin' american?

Why did you re-post the same post?

Do you work in the Department of Redundancy Department?

But, by de way, I agree, one should be skeptical of Hugo, as bracing as his rhetoric is, and as much as he has helped the poor pull themselves up and build their own infrastructure. One wonders what happened during the coup? Why did they return him when they coulda popped him off?

Consolidating S.A. with its own regional central bank is a nice big cherry-topped sundae for the er, uh, how do I put this nicely, CENTRAL BANKERS.

Oops, I said it again.

Then there's his proposed trans-Amazonian natural gas pipeline, which doesn't even make that much economic sense. And no ecological sense whatsoever.

I like him for now, but I don't really trust him. After all, even though he's from the south, he's just a frickin' american.

9/24/2006 02:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey shrub, back off on Hilda and quit thinking everyone is out to get you and then telling people you love them. You don't love them you feel like they are out to get you.

YOU should relax. Why be so petty?

9/24/2006 02:49:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

from http://911research.wtc7.net/ :

"According to the Pittsburg Post-Gazette, state police Major Lyle Szupinka 'confirmed that debris from the plane had turned up in relatively far-flung sites, including the residential area of Indian Lake.'[1] The residential areas of Indian Lake range from three to six miles from the crash site. As noted on the pages describing Flight 93 and its crash site, there were a number of debris fields. Small debris descended over Indian Lake and New Baltimore, about three and eight miles from the primary crash site, and an engine core was separated from the main impact crater by about 2000 feet.[2]"

[1] http://post-gazette.com/headlines/20010913somersetp3.asp

[2] pic of the engine: http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/docs/crater_engine.jpg

other interesting pics: parts of the fuselage, hull with AA color scheme, etc. found in wreckage at shanksville:

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/photos/index.html#shanksville

from the Washington Post:

"As coroner, responsible for returning human remains, Miller has been forced to share with the families information that is unimaginable. As he clinically recounts to them, holding back very few details, the 33 passengers, seven crew and four hijackers together weighed roughly 7,000 pounds. They were essentially cremated together upon impact. Hundreds of searchers who climbed the hemlocks and combed the woods for weeks were able to find about 1,500 mostly scorched samples of human tissue totaling less than 600 pounds, or about 8 percent of the total.
...
"But the shock wave from Flight 93, a few hundred yards away, spewed debris through the woods with such force that it blew out all the windows and doors and shook the foundation on Barry's place. It turned the whole Hoover property into a cemetery where human remains were still being found months later."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A56110-2002May8¬Found=true


so there you have it: *clearly* identifiable remains of an aircraft, eyewitness testimonies, body parts (scorched, to be sure, but present nonetheless), debris scattered for miles, blackboxes recovered (and photographed, above)... needless-to-say, all of this would have to be planted at the site, so the question remains: why? why PLANT the evidence when you can just shoot an actual plane out of the sky and scatter debris and body parts for miles?

9/24/2006 03:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(Africkinamerican)

LP,

It's a play on words and you can pronounce it however you like.

I reposted in an attempt to clarify some statements in my original post I'm not sure I succeeded though. One correction/clarification I forgot to make is that Hugo C is not quite a "strongman," but he is a "dangerously powerful leader with a cult following," which is almost as worrisome.

As for Hilda M., I appreciate that she's advocating for some much-needed civility on this board.


I wish I could communicate with Shrubageddon off of this comment board ...
I'm not persecuting you and I don't want to persecute you or anyone else. ...



That's refreshing, and I only wish everyone who frequents this blog and the message board could truthfully say the same!

Last but not least, as Hilda says:


THEY can't control everything, and we know evil never wins in the end anyway.


Truly words to take to heart ... (or corazon, if you will ....)

2:40 PM

9/24/2006 03:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Sorry, Hilda, and Fricken, but you're out of bounds when you start spouting that stay on topic bullshit....so, please, just drop it, for Christ's Sake. My posts aren't that long like some of the Spammers....they're easy to glance over, so just do so and back off with your authoritative admonishments.

Fricken, you sound like you have Libertarian Leanings to me. Am I correct? If so, then please get off your authoritarian establishment soap box. It's a contradiction to your Libertarian Leanings, if you have them. It wreaks of Big Brother....and I don't like Big Brother. This is a public space. You don't own it, I don't own it and Hilda doesn't own it. The discussion is what it will to be.....not what you want it to be, or what I want it to be. Just let it happen and quit trying to box it in.

9/24/2006 04:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=922158

Md. State Police Stop Suspicious Vehicle; No Charges

Sep 23rd - 6:53am

LAUREL, Md. - Maryland State Police say they released a 24-year-old Israeli man without charges Friday night after questioning him about photographing the Fort McHenry Tunnel in Baltimore.

Investigators say another motorist reported that a man driving a green Dodge minivan was using a camera and appeared to be taking pictures as he drove through the tunnel.

Police say the van continued south on Interstate-95 and then turned back in the other direction near Laurel.

Officers stopped it on northbound I-95 near Route 198. A bomb-sniffing dog checked out the car but did not find any explosives.

Police say they found a laptop computer and a digital camera containing pictures of the tunnel inside the van, but nothing else suspicious.

(Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

9/24/2006 04:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1.

That's interesting:

It turned the whole Hoover property into a cemetery where human remains were still being found months later."
says the www.washingtonpost.com...


Actually quoting coroner Miller (which WashPost left out, that flagship of Mockingbird), was that Miller reported there were no bodies at the crash site nor even blood evidence.

2.

and Shrub, leave everyone alone. Use some discretion, man! Self control! You are so freaking self-centered that you get paranoid that other people even exist...I don't read any of the stuff you post. Your reputation that you have built preceeds everything you write--now live with it. I encourage the same in others, it's a futile endeavor, he'll just bite you.


3.

And back to the topics at hand, thanks for that Israeli post. Though it's probabaly nothing there, it reminded me of this:

Surely no one has missed that an ISRAELI DIPLOMAT WAS FUNNELING BOMBS into Argentina, to get them into Chile, this month?



Bomb-laden Israeli diplomat arrested in Argentina
9/20/2006 9:00:00 AM GMT


(Judicial-inc.biz Photo) The 1992 bombing at the Israeli Embassy - Buenos Aires

Last month, Argentine police arrested a top Israeli diplomat carrying a large quantity of explosives at Buenos Aires international airport, according to a report on the Signs of The Times.

The report states that the Israeli diplomat, who was en route to Chile, was detained minutes before boarding a plane.

After his arrest, Argentine police informed the interior ministry which ordered them to “contain the situation”.

According to airport sources, members of the security unit at the airport clashed with the Kirchner (Argentine President) government, that wanted to release the bomb-laden Israeli diplomat because there was no precedent for this type of arrest.

Members of the security unit argued that they would bear the blame if the Israeli official was freed.

However, the Israeli diplomat was released “due to a lack of evidence”, [!!?] according to airport officials.

The Signs of The Times, which stresses that the incident was ignored by the mainstream media, states that many reporters and independent researchers have investigated previous attacks on the Israeli embassy in Argentina, which was hit by a truck bombing in 1992, and on the headquarters of AMIA (Argentine Israelite Mutual Association), which was also struck by a truck bomb blast in July 1994, an explosion Israel blamed on the Lebanese resistance movement Hezbollah.

The online magazine “Libertad de opinion" carried out a thorough investigation on the March 1992 truck bomb attack on the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires, which was blamed by Israel on the Palestinian resistance group Islamic Jihad.

The magazine, which published reports submitted to the Supreme Court by engineers who examined the scene of the attack, concluded that the cause of the explosion wasn’t a truck bomb, and that the embassy was destroyed by an implosion from within the building.

Moreover, the engineer found that a large crater was created after the blast to make it appear as if it was made by a truck bombing.


The printed edition of the same magazine published another article in May 1999 which revealed evidence dismissing allegations that the Islamic Jihad was behind the embassy attack.

The Libertad de opinion shocking report also concluded that the July 1994 AMIA bombing was caused by an internal implosion.

It further added that the implosion was caused by the detonation of a bomb which was sent to the AMIA building by Israelis living in Cordoba.

[As this Israeli high diplomat was caught with the bomb,] Now Israel is warning of a “third attack” on its embassy in Argentina, the Signs of The Times reported, adding that the warning is related to the recent protests by Argentina’s Arab community against Israel’s deadly offensive in Lebanon.

The Israelis, the article argues, want to change their image from the victimizer to the victim and are desperately seeking to find new ways to win the public’s sympathy [so the Israeli Mossad kills Jewish people to gain sympathy of the world when they blame it on Arabs.]

The report also states that Israel is currently planning a “dramatic attack” on any of its embassies in South America.

In addition to Argentina, possible countries include Chile, where a large Palestinian community lives. The Signs of The Times relates this conclusion to the fact that the bomb-laden Israeli diplomat was en route to Chile.

http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=12102

Comment: Make what you want of the spin, and history there--though for the news about this 'capture and release' is another boggling Israeli high level terrorism network, similar to when Israelis almost bombed the Mexican Congress one month after 9-11.

The only purpose of a bomb laden Israel diplomat that I can think of is to smuggle in terrorism materials Chile...for a very sensitive false flag operation.

other red flag false flag Israeli links to 9-11 and other terrorism:

All 9/11 Airports Serviced by One Israeli Owned Company

Odigo Workers Received Warning of 9/11 Attacks

The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9/11

U.S. Arrests of Israelis a Mystery

Urban Moving Systems and Detained Israelis

FBI Turning Over Stones With Israelis Underneath

Hundreds of Mossad Agents Caught Running Wild in America!

FBI Fury As Men With Nuke Plans, Valid Israeli Passports Escape

The Israeli Spy Ring

here:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israel_9-11_index.html

Let's see: that's the U.S., Mexico, and Chile that are on the Mossad list to hit. Refresher on Mexico:


Two Israelis arrested with bombs
in the Mexican Congress

As reported in La Vox De Aztlan, two men posing as press photographers, one of them a former Israeli Colonel and Mossad agent, were arrested INSIDE the Mexican congress on October 10, 2001 armed with
9-mm pistols, nine grenades, explosives, three detonators, and 58 bullets, but were released following intense pressure from the Israeli Embassy.

"We believe that the two Zionists terrorist were going to blow up the Mexican Congress. The second phase was to mobilize both the Mexican and US press to blame Osama bin Laden. Most likely then Mexico would declare war on Afghanistan as well, commit troops and all the oil it could spare to combat Islamic terrorism."

Mexican newspaper front page
with story of the arrested Mossad agents.

Army general and head of the PGR releases two Israelis arrested with guns and explosives inside the Mexican Congress

by
Ernesto Cienfuegos
La Voz de Aztlan

Los Angeles, Alta California - October 15, 2001- (ACN) In a mind-blowing development, La Voz de Aztlan has learned that Mexican Army General Rafael Marcial Macedo de la Concha who heads the Procuraduría General de la República (Mexican Department of Justice) has released the retired Israeli Defense Forces colonel and presumed MOSSAD agent Salvador Guersson Smecke and Israeli illegal immigrant Saur Ben Zvi after both had penetrated the security of the Mexican Congress and where in possession of guns, hand grenades and explosives.

This morning La Voz de Aztlan had a personal telephone interview with the Mexican Congressional Press Secretary, Lic. Adriana Lopez, and verified the arrest of the two Israelis after they had entered through the highly secured front entrance of the Palacio Legislativo de San Lázaro. She stated to La Voz de Aztlan that the two terrorists had taken advantage of a situation that occurred around 1700 hours of Wednesday October 10 when a large contingent of Sugar Industry Unionists were entering through the metal detectors. The two Israelis followed about 50 of the unionists to the office of the President of the Mexican Congress Beatriz Paredes. The two Israelis were first pretending to be press photographers but called the attention of the sugar unionists because of their nervous and out of the ordinary behavior. About ten of the unionists confronted them and observed that they were carrying guns and and what looked to them to be explosives. They held the two Israelis until Official Congressional Security personnel took them into custody. The head of Congressional Security Salvador Alarcón verified that the Israelis had in their possession nine hand grenades, sticks of dynamite, detonators, wiring and two 9mm "Glock" automatics.

Mexican Congressional Press Secretary Lic. Adriana Lopez informed La Voz de Aztlan in the telephone interview that Congressional Security then turned the terrorists Salvador Guersson Smecke, age 34, and Saur Ben Zvi, age 27, to the Procuraduría General de la República (Mexican Department of Justice) which is headed by Mexican Army General Rafael Marcial Macedo de la Concha. Initial reports by the Procuraduría General de la República (PGR) were that both Israelis worked for a private security agency and that they both had gun permits. It turned out that there is no connection of either suspect to any private security agency. The PGR has released the retired Israeli I.D.F. colonel with the official explanation that he had a legal permit to carry a gun. They also released the illegal Israeli immigrant on about $4000 bail and the case turned over to the Mexican immigration authorities. Mexican Congressional Press Secretary Lic. Adriana Lopez was surprised to hear from La Voz de Aztlan of the release of the two Israelis.

La Voz de Aztlan has also learned that the Israeli Embassy used heavy handed measures to have the two Israelis released. Very high level emergency meetings took place between Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Jorge Gutman, General Macedo de la Concha and a top Ariel Sharon envoy who flew to Mexico City specially for that purpose. Elías Luf of the Israeli Embassy worked night and day and their official spokeswoman Hila Engelhart went into high gear after may hours of complete silence. What went on during those high levels meetings no ones knows, but many in Mexico are in disbelief at their release. Guns and any kind of explosive is highly illegal for Mexican citizens and the fact that these two Israelis had them inside the Mexican Congress makes their release highly suspect. What is really going on? Jorge Gutman, the Mexican Foreign Secretary, has very strong Zionist connections and himself is of Jewish descent. Mexican Army General Macedo de la Concha has strong connections to the U.S. Military Industrial-Complex and through this to the Israeli Defense Forces. Have any of these connections influenced the decision to release the two Zionist terrorists?

The initial arrests of the two Israelis inside the Palacio Legislativo de San Lázaro made top news on Mexico City television and radio on the evening of October 10. TV Azteca had extensive coverage on the first night and on the following day. La Cronica de Hoy Newspaper and El Universal Newspaper both covered the incident the following two days but now it seems that there is a lack of reports. The PGR has a Press Bulletin on their official website but they have made no updates. No U.S. media has made any mention, that we know, except one by USAJewish.com. Pravda of Moscow has a note of the initial La Voz de Aztlan article at: http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/10/13/17982.html

What were the Israelis up to? We think we know. The Vicente Fox government has been very careful of involving Mexico in a war against Islam. The Mexican population as well as the two major opposition political parties, the PRI and the PRD will not allow it. President Bush and the U.S. Zionists want Mexico fully involved in the war principally because if things get tough in the middle east and the oil rich Arabs leave the coalition, the U.S. military machine is going to need alternative sources of oil and PEMEX is just across the border. We believe that the two Zionists terrorist were going to blow up the Mexican Congress. The second phase was to mobilize both the Mexican and US press to blame Osama bin Laden. Most likely then Mexico would declare war on Afghanistan as well, commit troops and all the oil it could spare to combat Islamic terrorism.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/mex.html


Reminds me of the pedophile ring run out of the Israeli embassy itself in Argentina (or Brazil?) about ten years ago? Israel refused to punish the person! The diplomat even fled from the law, after being arrested! That person is now back working in the Israeli embassy in Australia. Beware, Australia! That says a lot about the whole network that would condone this activity that that diplomat "ran" in.

Another interesting thing: the editor of La Voz de Aztlan, MONTHS BEFORE 9-11, receives a non-anthrax bioterrorism letter in the mail that made him sick within minutes.

It was written in the same block print as the "9-11 notes" sent out to Congress in the anthrax bioterror. The letter complained and accused the editor of "anti-semetism" and all sort of other things as justification for bioterrorism on him. First, hardly anyone has bioterrorism materials lying around the house. Second, this was several months before 9-11, in the same exact block print. Third, some of the examples of the "benfits of Jews", according to the bio-terror note writer were all in the history of people who made vaccines and such, that the terror note writer seemed quite familiar with. So we are led to the conclusion that a pro-Israeli person sent the anthrax as well on 9-11. Fourth, I have read that the FBI found anthrax spores as well within the "Mossad moving van" area near New York.

9/24/2006 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

I've got several different things to touch on, so I'm going to try to keep them distinct by numbering:

1) Regardless of the actual fate of Flight 93, it seems fairly plausible that it was intended to hit the Capitol -- and that makes me wonder if perhaps the anthrax scare which followed, and which really did targtet members of Congress, may have been a hastily cooked-up substitute.

2) The routes along which illicit drugs are smuggled are perhaps even more significant than the sources. In the case of Afghan heroin, there are just two major routes from Central Asia to Europe (both of which have been well marked out by travelers and traders for tens of thousands of years.) One goes from Afghanistan through southern and then western Iran, north into Kurdistan, and from there through Turkey to the Balkans. The other goes directly north into the 'stans and then above the Caspian and Black Sea into Eastern Europe.

All of those areas have recently been regions of intrigue and contention in a way that, say, Egypt or Saudi Arabia are not. Drugs are clearly not the only reason why the US is increasingly mired in that particular part of the world, but they have to be near the top of the list.

3) While there's a certain measure of truth in arguments which equate the right and the left, there's one massive disparity between them. The United States is dominated by financial and corporate interests, who fear above all any opposition to their absolute right to private property and private profit. Though those interests may occasionally play at co-opting those on the left who challenge their control of the sources of wealth, their real representatives are those on the right who endorse it.

This disparity of power and truth can be seen particularly clearly in the case of the neo-imperialist wars which the U.S. has fought repeatedly since Korea. Again and again, we've had soldiers with no clear idea of what they're fighting for, a general population which equally lacks understanding of or investment in the conflict -- and hysterical efforts to repress anyone who suggests that this lack of visible motivation comes about because the hidden truth is that the wars are being fought on behalf of Wall Street and no one else.

Martin Luther King, after all, was killed, not when he was leading the fight for civil rights, but when he became an opponent of the Vietnam War.

Another aspect of the masquerade has been the need to blame America's failure to win these wars not on its own tainted motivations but on some level of individual inadequacy. Almost the entire right-wing agenda over the last 50-odd years -- from traditional social and relgious values (that exclude cultural pluralism and all critical scrutiny), to an exaltation of self-sufficiency and a willingness to let the weak go under rather than provide government aid, to demonization of feminism and gay rights -- can be traced back to early 50's hysteria about how Americans had become too "weak" to stand up to Communism and the resulting push to foster a retrogressive, patriarchal notion of "strength."

Ultimately, that entire agenda has no other purpose than to protect the real masters of the national will from having to admit responsibility for their own failures.

The people who staged 911 were not just looking for a pretext for war. They were looking to give Americans a personal reason to fight -- protection of the homeland, shall we say -- that had been absent in Korea and Vietnam. Just one more attempt to foster "strength" by artificial means. Unfortunately, they betray their real motivations at every turn, and the Great War on Terror almost instantly devolved into the War for the Right to Keep Shopping.

So on that level, there's a very real difference between the right and the left. The right will do anything to protect and maintain the dominance of big business. The left -- or at least, what tattered, discredited, and demoralized remnants of it still exist -- stands for the rights and creative freedom of ordinary people.

And if there isn't a real left of that sort -- if it's *all* been coopted and puppet-mastered by the right -- then we damn well need to invent one.

4) And then there's David Boren ... but I've already gone on far too long, so I'll save that for another post.

9/24/2006 05:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hopsicker needs a good editor. So much good material, but he's all over the place...

9/24/2006 05:31:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

starroute,
You are on to something important here. It's not just the ancient drug routes; nor is it only separating America into "with us" and "against us" camps (although both of these are certainly open aims of the open conspiracy). The other dropping shoe is what Chris Floyd has just wriiten about over at Empire Burlesque: good old fashioned ethnic cleansing and neo-colonial boundary re-definition. Floyd has become most adept at scaring the bejesus out of anyone who's not a Stepford Republican by showing us, in nauseating detail, exactly what the overlords are up to with his series of articles detailing the US state-sponsored terrorism of P2OG (Into the Dark, Darkness Visible), which brought the dark secret of the origin and purpose of the dystopian nightmare of perpetual war against manufactured terrorism into the uncomfortable light of day (and neatly put us into those opposing camps, with more tangible camps on the way):

Perhaps most ominously, the plan makes copious preparations for expanding the range of the war on terror even further. The trigger for these new actions is another terrorist strike on U.S. soil. Oddly enough, the Bush faction views such an unspeakable horror as an "opportunity," Pentagon officials told the Post; it would provide a "justification," they said, for hitting already-targeted individuals, groups and states that for various political reasons have not yet been subjected to what Bush likes to call, in his bloodthirsty parlance, "the path of action."

Oddly enough, the dark creatures behind all this aren't noticeably discomfitted by Floyd's revelations. Maybe it's because he wrote all those years for the Moscow Times (who's going to believe "Pink" Floyd?) Or, more sickening yet, maybe the overlords are so confident of their power that they gloat in the public knowledge of their criminality; they could be saying, "Yeah, and what are you gonna do about it?"

How else to explain the recent article by Ralph Peters at the Armed Forces Journal website (Blood borders How a better Middle East would look) in which the eminent BushCo strategist (who has apparently joined the demon's circle of the PNAC) lays down the new Five Year Plan for advancing American Hegemony through accelerated US terrorism and a return to an old favorite of mad dictators everywhere: ethnic cleansing.

The most shocking thing in all this ghastly business? That they have the audacity to come right out and tell us what they're doing! Chris Floyd once again parses an intelligent summary of the "new" madness in his Sept. 12 post: Fatal Vision: The Strategy of Chaos and Ethnic Cleansing, complete with the maps the crazy bastards have drawn up of the desired New Middle East. This is where the maps get redrawn, starroute. First Floyd explains the actions of the madmen by discussing (briefly) the prophetic writing of Dostoevsky, then he examines the declared, naked aggression of the next phase of the PNAC plan. Fatal Vision is a must read, blueprint that it is...

Despite the darkness of the hour, friends, all hope is not lost. In fact, hope is rising, unbidden, spontaneously, in what activist Paul Hawken calls the Blessed Unrest, which is also the name of a new book and a startling documentary coming out very soon. A description of the film and book from Paul's website:

Blessed Unrest will reveal for us, for the first time, the depth and diversity of the worldwide ‘movement of movements’ that is emerging on a scale unseen in human history. The feature length documentary is based on Paul Hawken's forthcoming book, Blessed Unrest, (Viking/Penguin 2007). Behind both lie years of research into this unrecognized phenomenon—research that began after Hawken's frontline experience of the WTO meetings in Seattle. It has revealed the existence of millions of people with shared sets of values, populating hundreds of thousands of organizations that address social justice and ecological sustainability in the broadest sense of those terms. The power of this movement is that it is not directed. Imagine the collective presence of all human beings as an organism. Within and pervading that organism is a growing intelligence and activity—humanity’s immune response to the effects of political corruption, economic disease and ecological degradation. Blessed Unrest will follow a number of powerful stories that between them illustrate the roots, scale and breadth of what is collectively the majority movement on earth.

(I just couldn't bear to close on a pessimistic note--thanks to whoever it was that directed me to Paul Hawken!)

9/24/2006 06:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHISTLEBLOWER!

CENTCOM's Pre-911 war games hit WTC, White House, Sears Tower, Pentagon with plane hijacks

Hijack war games occuring only days before 9-11, and hitting every target (and then some) mere days later on 9-11; "Exercises" made Top Secret

Sergeant Lauro "LJ" Chavez, 9/11 Whistle Blower Speaks Out to the Editor of the Cincinnati Post

excerpt:

From 1995 till 2002 I was a Sergeant in the United States Army. Not only this, but I was stationed at United States Central Command, which is located at MacDill AFB in Tampa Florida. I was on active duty when 9-11 happened. In the days prior to the tragedies, we were involved in many exercises. Some of these exercises included the scenarios of hijacked planes crashing into, our building the world trade center, the White House, Sears Tower, and the Pentagon. These drills or exercises as we called them, where classified Top Secret. Having a Top Secret rated clearance I was dumbfounded that they would ever push a training exercise above the level of Secret.

...

http://www.v911t.org/SergeantLauroChavez.php

And it was Jeb Bush that passes quickly days before 9-11 martial/state of emergency legislation in Florida, that was then activated days later on 9-11.

And it was near Tampa's McDill AFB where Bush was on 9-11.

9/24/2006 06:29:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

There's a map of heroin smuggling routes here.

It makes an interesting comparison with the "redrawn" Middle East map that IC references here.

9/24/2006 06:45:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

jeff, shrub, anonies, ic, star, rich--

any of you guys know anything about the website WWW.SAVE-VEGAS.COM? the guy claims that he has been given a whole bunch of evidence that vegas is under seige by some paramilitary force that might or might not be american. he's written:

"The purpose of this site is to alert elements of United States counter-terror forces, specifically the elite team that may be known as 'Rainbow', to unusual events that I am monitoring in the city of Las Vegas, Nevada. It is my belief that their help will be needed in the coming days.

"A contact of mine in the United States MILITARY was CONCERNED enough to release this PHOTO to me. It was taken four days ago by a TR-2 research aircraft operated by NASA and based at Beale AFB, California. Intensive analysis REVEALS that the area in question (HIGHLIGHTED) may now be, or may have been in the past, a STAGING AREA for the paramilitary cell I BELIEVE is operating in Las Vegas.

"My contact ALSO supplied the attached MEMORANDUM. It APPEARS to originate from the National Security Agency (NSA) and is addressed to a senior member of the National Security Council (NSC) staff. If this memorandum is GENUINE, then the highest levels of our government are AWARE of this hostile operation, apparently code-named DANTE and planned for an UNSPECIFIED date in OCTOBER 2006. What WORRIES me is the memorandum's statement that DEPLOYMENT of a special-operations taskforce has been DENIED by the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) per direction from National Command Authority (NCA, or the President of the United States.) WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?

"I believe that the OPERATION being planned in this city has ALREADY resulted in the loss of one LIFE. (If you do not BELIEVE me, view the video intercept entitled "Balcony"). This video was RELEASED to the public one WEEK ago by virtue of its appearance on this website. Yet there has been no OFFICIAL response from elements of the United States government. Ask yourself: WHY?

"I believe that the city's best HOPE for continued security depends upon the ALERTING of one or more compartmentalized counter-terror UNITS that are thought to EXIST both within and without the borders of this country. This SITE serves as a means to that END."


and then he goes on to post strange video feeds where a taxi appears to get blown up (or shot at), a camera at a party seems to inadvertantly catch someone getting shot in the background, the aforementioned NSA memo, and so forth. anyone else catch this? www.save-vegas.com?

9/24/2006 06:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I may be completely wrong, but my first impression (just from reading the Vegas posting without going to the website), is "Orson Welles/War of the Worlds/Happy Halloween".

If it weren't for the upcoming election and the Republican love of Octover Surprise, I wouldn't worry. These days, I even worry that the checkout girl is noting for the NSA that I'm buying organic milk and other "subversive" foods. ;)

9/24/2006 08:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Hey Jon:

That's the first I've heard of it.....but even if it's true, I don't care. I'm not particularly fond of Vegas, so if a city has to be sacrificed for another larger scale False Flag, Vegas would be my first choice. Afterall, it is a contemporary Sodom & Gommorah.

The least they could do is give us a vote on it......The Bastards.

FYI...I've never been to Vegas and I have no intentions of ever visiting. I do find it utterly hilarious that people used to hang out in Vegas and watch Nuclear Tests in the Nevada Desert in the 50's (see Atomic Cafe). Just another example of how screwed up we are. Of course, it's no more hilarious than people sticking cell phones to their heads and irradiating their brain cells all day long.

9/24/2006 09:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

So, a question for you in regards to the Drug Trade Routes. Doesn't the rise of Methanphetamine somewhat undermine the traditional drug trade, and its accompanying routes? Or, is Meth merely a North American phenomenon, and Eurasia's still highly dependent on traditional Narcotics?

9/24/2006 09:21:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

Shrub -

I don't know how much "hillbilly heroin" figures in as a competitor -- but even without that, the heroin supply seems to be way over capacity. Even two years ago, Afghan heroin production was estimated as being 1/4 to 1/3 more than worldwide demand, and this year it's considerably higher.

I'd *really* like to know where it's all going. Not the US so much -- but the UK and Russia are both visibly worried about it. I gather that Iran has a growing heroin problem, as well -- partly the result of the ayatollahs making life there so bloody boring. And heroin is also making inroads among the poor of India (though the trendy urban elite prefer their cocaine.)

But heroin is a drug for dead-end lives, and if the US economy goes into freefall and takes much of the world with it, there may soon be more than enough demand to go round.

9/24/2006 09:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

But heroin is a drug for dead-end lives, and if the US economy goes into freefall and takes much of the world with it, there may soon be more than enough demand to go round.

Therein may lay your answer. Perhaps they are building their inventories for the planned freefall, kinda like what Joe P. Kennedy and Seagrams did prior to the lifting of Prohibition. These folks are pros at burning both ends of the candle....and everything in between. Their world truly is The Land of Milk and Honey. Everything's a Revenue Stream.....EVERYTHING!!!

9/24/2006 10:04:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

Opium and detention camps -- the two surefire answers to riots in the streets. I guess they're belt-and-suspenders types.

9/24/2006 10:45:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

shit--it looks like it's nothing more than an ad for "tom clancy's rainbow six vegas" game, or something like it. you know, considering the times, people really shouldn't play with crying wolf the way they do...

9/25/2006 12:53:00 AM  
Anonymous jon said...

sorry--have to post this, considering that whole save-vegas bullshit:



Escaping from the reality-based world

Hannah Selinger - Raw Story Columnist
Published: Friday September 22, 2006

Spend enough time wandering around the Internet late at night and you’re bound to find something interesting. My wanderings eventually led me to the website YouTube.com, where my cousin had serendipitously found a clip from a Maury Povich show of a girl who was afraid of pickles. This bout of hilarity piqued my interest, and pretty soon I was the one typing www.youtube.com into my browser in search of the most ridiculous video clip.

These expeditions led me to a series of clips that everyone was talking about. Sometime in June, a teenager named Bree at an unspecified location in the United States had learned to operate a webcam in her very own bedroom. She posted her videos under the screen name lonelygirl15 and, with the help of her friend Daniel, allowed thousands and thousands of American viewers into her life.

Here was the scoop: Bree, homeschooled, had been raised in New Zealand, England, and the United States. Her parents were members of an unspecified religion and were incredibly strict. Bree was rarely allowed to leave the house at all, although her parents seemed okay with her friend Daniel spending countless hours with her. In her bedroom.

The videos posted by Bree were sophisticated. The lighting was good, the music better, the editing techniques beyond the capabilities of most adults. After a while, Internet speculation began. “Lonelygirl15 is a fake,” youtube viewers proclaimed, although their accusations were unsupported by evidence.

Except that last week, the truth was revealed both in Business Week and on MTVNews. Lonelygirl15 was, in fact, a fake, the invention of two independent filmmakers who had the foresight to see just how much attention the Internet could draw. Sixteen-year-old Bree is really nineteen-year-old Jessica Rose, an actress from New Zealand. The drama isn’t real.

I wonder if that matters. Late at night, I still check youtube.com to see Bree’s latest postings. Recently, she went on her first date, got kissed, and learned to drive. I feel like I’m reading the Pickwick Papers sometimes, eagerly awaiting Dickens’ next installment. Except this isn’t Dickens, and the entire premise of the thing was—let’s be honest—based on a lie.

Lonelygirl15 was nothing more than good television, but the reason she drew so many viewers in the first place was because she was the antithesis of ordinary tv programming. She was naïve and sweet and her videos bespoke a youthfulness that we don’t really see anymore, even among the young.

But lonelygirl15 doesn’t exist. When I replayed the drama in my mind, I realized I had been cheated. My primary interest in Bree’s videos lay in her honesty. Here was a girl who needed an outlet. Here was a girl with no friends but a curiously magnetic personality. Here was a story just waiting to unfold.

And unfold it did. I couldn’t help but think of an article I had read back in October of 2004, well before the start of last summer, a cover story by New York Times writer Ron Suskind about faith in the Republican Party. Suskind interviewed a Republican aide, who said that guys like Suskind are “in the reality-based community,” people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.”

The aide went on: “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

Disturbing? Of course. No one wants their sense of reality doctored. But perhaps we’ve been heading in that direction all along, and all it took was a political conversation to make it apparent. Americans used to watch the news. Now we watch reality television, which is pretty much as doctored as reality comes. Maybe that is why people like me—and there are thousands of us—continue to watch lonelygirl15, even though we know she isn’t real. A reality-based community, in which there is open and honest debate about the real things that are happening in our country and abroad, has not existed for years.

So maybe lonelygirl15 is a national salve or maybe it’s a national trend. Americans may continue to trust the untrustworthy, simply because a fantasy-based community is easier to exist in. In Bree’s fantasy world, where the soundtrack is always amazing, the biggest dramatic moments center around how she will escape her prison of a bedroom. Would that the rest of us, with our reality-based concerns, were so lucky as to live in her world."



well, i guess that just explains it all, doesn't it? "we're an empire, now," so reality is what we (they) make it... now if only we can find a way for 'bree' to escape her bedroom! yippeee! *clap*clap*

gd, i'm gonna be sick...

9/25/2006 01:10:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Control freaks are happy if they can take you bit by byte or even nanoseconds based on that McLuhanesque treatise that it doesn't matter if you are getting good press or bad press just as long as you are getting press.
Hence the strongman vs. the strawman argument or right vs. left. Sure decentralize it. Censorship is a closed mind.

9/25/2006 08:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

gd, i'm gonna be sick...

I hear ya, Jon. Every day I vomit my insides over something unsurprizingly new.

For example, and in keeping with the sentiment of your post, a piece on NPR this morning made me vomit my insides, once again.

It concerned navigational computer chips in cell phones......see, most people don't know they're there....but they are, just allegedly not activated.....yet.

The Technogeek they were interviewing practically had an orgasm over the currently untapped potential of this navigational chip. He thought it was so neato that we could be in constant contact, individually, with Satellites orbiting the earth...at all times.

He gives us an example of the benefits of this untapped potential. Consider you are in New York and you see what looks like a historic building and you want to know the history, but there's no tour guide. Well, no problem, all you do is tap into your cell phone and it gives you a detailed history of that exact location....including....get this...all the gory crimes that have been committed there...if that's your bag.

So, there I was, sitting in traffic on the way to work, with metaphorical vomit coating every surface of the interior of my shiny metal box on wheels.

It's no longer satisfying to breath in the undistracted moment....to physically channel the energy of that location without the aid of cold and steely Satellites. No, instead, the focus is on the cell phone, and all it has to offer, rather than the physical energy the proximate location has to offer. It's one more step towards the shunning of reality for unreality. We are purposely spelunking further into Plato's cave, rather than finding a way out.

All, let us rise up and smash our cell phones in unison (I actually don't have one....but I'll pretend), and eschew this steady march to a disconnected humanity, or better yet, a connected inhumanity.

9/25/2006 09:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Betcha never heard of Operation Prime Chance, our naval war against Iran in the late 80's:

"The operation's most dramatic engagement was likely the September 21, 1987, attack on the Iran Ajr, an Iranian ship converted for use as a minelayer. Using night-vision devices, Army gunship crews watched the Iranian vessel lay several mines, then swooped in with miniguns and rockets blazing. A SEAL team landed aboard the vessel and seized it. Several Iranian sailors were rescued from the waters of the Gulf after leaping overboard during the attack. The SEALs scuttled the vessel the following day."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Prime_Chance

9/25/2006 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Spiller said...

It's all about oil.

"But the ascendance of Venezuela within OPEC necessarily means the
decline of the power of the House of Saud. And the Bush family wouldn't
like that one bit. It comes down to "petro-dollars." When George W.
ferried then-Crown Prince (now King) Abdullah of Saudi Arabia around the
Crawford ranch in a golf cart it wasn't because America needs Arabian
oil. The Saudis will always sell us their petroleum. What Bush needs is
Saudi petro-dollars. Saudi Arabia has, over the past three decades,
kindly recycled the cash sucked from the wallets of American SUV owners
and sent much of the loot right back to New York to buy U.S. Treasury
bills and other U.S. assets.

The Gulf potentates understand that in return for lending the U.S.
Treasury the cash to fund George Bush's $2 trillion rise in the nation's
debt, they receive protection in return. They lend us petro-dollars, we
lend them the 82nd Airborne.

Chavez would put an end to all that. He'll sell us oil relatively
cheaply -- but intends to keep the petro-dollars in Latin America.
Recently, Chavez withdrew $20 billion from the U.S. Federal Reserve and,
at the same time, lent or committed a like sum to Argentina, Ecuador,
and other Latin American nations..."

http://www.gregpalast.com/hugo-chavez-an-exclusive-interview-with
-greg-palast#more-1496

9/25/2006 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Do you seriously think George Soros, and the other TransNational Parselmouths care about the integrity of Petrodollars? They don't.

That's the beauty of hedges, derivatives and put options. Once again, it's burning both ends of the candle...and EVERYTHING in between.

Their one weak spot is the non-cooperation of The Mass of Humanity (if you can call it that....if so, just barely) as tools and weapons against themselves.

You can start your process of not being a tool by spitting out the Pablum that is force fed to you 24/7.

9/25/2006 10:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Toward a North American Union: a history of 35 years of corrupt elite scheming for NAU

author: The August Review: Global Elite Research Center

"The global elite, through the direct operations of President George Bush and his Administration, are creating a North American Union that will combine Canada, Mexico and the U.S. into a superstate called the North American Union (NAU). The NAU is roughly patterned after the European Union (EU). There is no political or economic mandate for creating the NAU, and unofficial polls of a cross-section of Americans indicate that they are overwhelmingly against this end-run around national sovereignty.

The reality over appearance is easily cleared up with a proper historical perspective of the last 35 years of political and economic manipulation by the same elite who now bring us the NAU....This paper will explore this history in order to give the reader a complete picture of the NAU, how it is made possible, who are the instigators of it, and where it is headed....It is important to first understand that the impending birth of the NAU is a gestation of the Executive Branch of the U.S. government, not the Congress. This is the topic of the first discussion below..."

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/09/346526.shtml
or with pictures
here
:
http://www.augustreview.com/index.php?module=pagesetter&func=viewpub&tid=4&pid=14

Just this last week, a huge international completely secret (even sworn to secrecy) meeting about this in Banff in Canada this past week, and no one has peeped about it here...just like a Bilderberger meeting.

Other links about it:

http://www.truthinwellness.com/articles/rumsfield_meeting.php

see the list of conspirators there, the leaked list, which is marked:

NORTH AMERICAN FORUM
CONFIRMED PARTICIPANTS
(Internal Document, Not for Public Release)


http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20060919132553106

Rumsfeld was there. So were huge high powered teams from Canada, the United States, and Mexico.

9/25/2006 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding this:

CENTCOM's Pre-911 war games hit WTC, White House, Sears Tower, Pentagon with plane hijacks --- Hijack war games occuring only days before 9-11, and hitting every target (and then some) mere days later on 9-11; "Exercises" made Top Secret --- Sergeant Lauro "LJ" Chavez, 9/11 Whistle Blower Speaks Out to the Editor of the Cincinnati Post

Alex Jones had him on this morning.

live stream of Alex Jones news/interview show:
http://gcnlive.com/winampfreeNtwk4.m3u

9/25/2006 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Schrub,

Your rejectionism, without something to replace it with simply pushes good folk away from truth seeking.

There is plenty of cause to make a petro-dollar/protection connection.
The big boys are always interested in controlling large chunks of cash.

In the seventies for instance when the sheikdoms were awash in money, the 'understanding' was that the dollars would flow through New York banks. They in turn sent greenhorn MBA's down to South America to sell the money to corrupt dictators. When rates went up in the later 70's the banks made a killing. Actually they made a killing all along on tax forgiveness, a continual interest money stream and finally the passage of the Brady plan. A book that details this is Banks, Borrowers, and the Establishment by Karin Lissakers

9/25/2006 08:33:00 PM  
Blogger foist lastus said...

"Bush is pretty much a whatever-it-takes, pro-flashlight-raping freak. Senators John McCain and John Warner are a little more vanilla. They want to set a few limits."
Now one right-wing Republican, George W. Bush, is fighting a gang of right-wing Republican senators over homoerotic torture tactics. The debate isn't about whether, but rather what kind, of homoerotic torture ought to be permissible.

9/25/2006 10:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

{africkinamerican}

I quoted Carroll Quigley yesterday to the effect that:


"... [A] congressional committee, following backward to their source the threads which led from admitted Communists like Whittaker Chambers, through Alger Hiss, and the Carnegie Endowment to Thomas Lamont and the Morgan Bank, fell into the whole complicated network of interlocking tax-exempt foundations. The Eighty-third Congress . . . set up a Special Committee to Investigate Tax-Exempt Foundations . . . . It soon became clear that people of immense wealth would be unhappy if the investigation went too far and that the "most respected" newspapers in the country, closely allied with these men of wealth, would not get excited enough about any revelations to make the publicity worth while, in terms of votes or campaign contributions."


Question. When we hear about the '50s and communists in the U.S., we are only allowed to hear the story about evil right-wing nut Joe McCarthy and his fulminations (which, by the way, have largely been proven correct -- although they missed the point). We never hear about the Congressional investigation that went far beyond McCarthy's lists of names, and found behind the curtain rich capitalists (via their foundations) pulling the levers.

Why is this?

The revelation of communists as tools of capitalists completely shatters the paradigm of the Cold War as a contest between the two forces, since it shows they were in fact not opposed.

It further gives us a clue that the real program of capitalism at the higher levels is not a "free market" and democracy, but oligopoly and oligarchy. Collectivism under the name of freedom.

IT's not that there weren't real agents of the Soviet Union and/or American fellow travelers honeycombing the federal government in the '40s and '50s. The question is, to what agenda were they being (wittingly or unwittingly) used? What was the result? The buildup of the great Soviet menace, which then justified the buildup of the American-based military-industrial complex and global empire. Big, big bucks were made thanks to communism.

And oh yeah, American and British capitalists made big bucks dealing in the USSR too. And let's not forget the banks!

9/25/2006 10:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said (and sympathetically well said) on the origins of communism and its fellow travellers.

Real communists should be angry at being manipulated by their real enemies toward noncommunistic goals like totalitarianism--instead of angry at this information.

Another interesting parapolitical link which I think fleshes out that the Cold War was as well a world military consolidation attempt between 'one side' of the bankers allied to the earlier strive toward the USSR creation, versus the other side that were 'out' of that project, that grouped around and specialized in the National Socialism Nazi world conquest movement. The Cold War in this view would be a form of attemts to force the world to align with one side or another, though both sides leading back to the same people; as well as a truly Third World War against the non-aligned and peasant autonomy movements worldwide. The U.S. operations for this world peasant destruction are documented (sickeningly) well and sickeningly well by ex-CIA Stockwell in his The Praetorian Guard, or Rogue State author Blum in his opus Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II-Updated Through 2003. The Cold War was a war on the Third World to align or die, as well as two chess groups attempting to take board territory for their very different world revolutionary projects at the same moment. The only peole they were really playing against though were the non-aligned and any independent revolutionary action.

Another interesting book of note: instead of only the "USSR-Morgan bank-tax free foundation steering issue" on that USSR side, we have the figure of ARMAND HAMMER, a real international rogue of many identities, very close to Lenin. Lenin's order to Stalin in 1922 that "Armand Hammer will be our one official link for access to the wealth of the Western capitalists" is a real conundrum for those who still believe that what was (only) going on was a clash of ideologies.

Keep in mind that the U.S. had yet to even recognize the USSR when Lenin was writing this (FDR IMMEDIATELY does it upon being President, for the purpose of subsidizing USSR really to keep it afloat). Though here both Hammer--as well as Harriman of course--were in the thick of making monopoly profits through the USSR. Hammer: in anything he could get his mealy hands on; Harriman: coming to dominate magnesium in the USSR I think. (Don't quote me on the latter. I forget. Its some strategic mineral. USSR even paid him 1 million US dollars to give the concession back to them, to avoid 'bad blood' and loss of banker allies. It's in the Sutton book, Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, regardless, if you want to look it up.)

And of course you have people like Harriman working with the Bushes from the mid-1920s as well in Brown Brothers and Harriman bank operations--long before the two banks merged in the early 1930s as Brown Brothers Harriman. This BBH side was working in German corporate funding and profit frameworks, though Harriman played both sides. The Bushes played only one side--the Nazis. Armand Hammer was another one who only played one side--the USSR. Harriman played both sides. This is likely because Harrimans much closer to the core international banker dynasties of the Rothschilds and the Schiffs (of Kuhn/Loeb, which was intimiately involved in funding and creating the sprawling Harriman railroad network buyups across the United States. That Harriman is a Bonesman as well.)

Another interesting facet is that if you folllow out Armand Hammer's links you come to the ALBERT GORE, SR. AND JR. family just as sure as if you follow out Thyssen's German Nazi links you come to the PRESCOT BUSH family.

The 2000 'election' between a Gore and Bush was still a rehashed contest between these two different banker divisions (though not necessarily working against each other, since they both want world totalitarian conquest under differently ordered forms of clientelistic regimes.), both interested in what Alex Jones euphemistically calls "the CEO jobs of Slavery, Incorporated." Which policies will animate global revolution? Which states will be co-opted and steered toward supporting which world revolutionary project style, is the question I think on their minds in that election.

The Soviet side seems to have lost their "crazies" edge--perhaps because the "USSR crazies" are actually the origins of the neocons--leftist revolutionary extremists who 'went corporate right' by the 1970s. (Though of course they were always 'corporate right' though that's obvious. Condi Rice was a vocal communist in college, by the way, so being a neocon attempting to revolutionary invade and establish 'democracies' and raw power worldwide is hardly a stretch for people like these). Given that the "crazies" are all in the Nazi-fellow travelling neocon wing now, a huge parapolitical alignment of abandonment of the integrative purposes of the U.N. seems to be neglected presently, and that side of teh 'support staff' is in danger of their high political lives. Take Gore for example:

IT is interesting to note that by the 1992 election the "Gore" side of this was only an ajunct part played, as a Vice President 'filler' to carry the far more neocon oriented group forward together, why with Bush-proxy-Nazis of Clinton/CIA as the real Democratic ticket holder. Then Gore sort of used for that vote edge, then discarded basically.

And then comes the 2000 election, where the Bushes attempt to kill Gore by an 'assassination by airplane' in 2000 over the Chicago O'Hare airport in his Air Force Two. Despite a law requiring it, all Secret Service 'stood down' and were unavailable. They were required to be in the airport tower when Air Force One or Two are landing. They were all missing.

During this period, not one, not two, but THREE different planes were thrown into Gore's Air Force Two airspace--any of which could have resulted in a crash. One almost did, except for some creative flying by the pilot.

And dead silence about this. When power kills or attempts to kill, they want as little media from Mockingbird on it as possible.

The only story about this was carried by the print-only edition of the Chicago Tribune, thoroughly commented upon by the late Skolnick who basically lived his whole life in Chicago.

Given that the Bushes are still killing Kennedies in 2000 like it is still in style*, the global Nazis are really making their move for world conquest animating this this NAU stuff. Rockefellers realigned to the neocons, instead of the USSR. (You can still find smiling David Rockefeller pictures all over the web standing with the main leadership of USSR and 'Communist' China, from the 1950s and 1970s.)

I bet these realigned groups are itching to take out Cuba just as rabidly as they were back in 1961. And it was the frustration and anger there which led to the Nazi linked CIA taking over the U.S. Presidency and keeping it ever since. They are the "crazies" remember. To join the crypto-nazis and the other more "crazies" wing of the Bolshevik/Trostkyite revoltionary left elites together, we get the strange hybrid called the neocons: "revolutionary conservatives" intersted in creating a police state worldwide and a right wing allied Roman Catholic Church and evangelical pro-Zionist Christianity as the world uber-religion and uber-race ideology.

The Bush hatred of the U.N. and other international agreements of the 'left side of the world revolutionaries' and all their institutional success frameworks (despite many Bonesmen involved in these, mind you), only reminds me that we are dealing with two groups jockeying for institutional space and attempting to destroy the other's variant to establish hegemony and global clientelism.

Do look up the interesting book Dossier: The Secret Life of Armand Hammer, from which I quote a book summary here:

It comes as little surprise that Armand Hammer, the chairman and tyrant of Occidental Petroleum who molded himself into a modern Medici, was a philanderer, a sycophant to American Presidents and Soviet leaders alike, and an avid art collector who cared not a fig for art. The surprises in this absorbing biography by Edward Jay Epstein, with Armand Hammer, come from long-buried sources: that Hammer financed Soviet espionage in the United States, that he forced his long-time mistress to change her appearance and her identity to throw his wife off the track, and that Hammer was neither an astute businessman nor anything near the billionaire he portrayed himself as. Hammer's secret history, and his repellent yet fascinating character, deserve the exhaustive, acerbic treatment Epstein provides. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

"From Publishers Weekly ---
After spending six months in 1981 traveling with Hammer while researching what he thought would be a friendly magazine article, Epstein (Legend: The Secret World of Lee Harvey Oswald) began to suspect that just about everything the self-promoting billionaire said or wrote or paid to have written about himself was untrue. Later, further interviews with Hammer's family and business associates, as well as research into newly available Soviet archives and FBI files gained via the Freedom of Information Act, confirmed those suspicions. Though it covers the range of Hammer's life, this is not so much a biography as it is an expose. Epstein's charges against Hammer are vast: performing illegal abortions at his father's "clinic" (a fatal operation that Hammer performed while a medical student at Columbia sent his father to Sing Sing for manslaughter); laundering money that financed espionage for the Soviets in the 1920s and '30s; being a bad businessman (for the laundering to work, his ventures in the U.S.S.R. and the U.S. had to appear to be money-makers); peddling fraudulent "Romanoff treasures" and fake Faberge Easter eggs through his art gallery; bribing his way to success both in the oil business and at the White House; blackmailing enemies and fabricating friendships with people in high places; bilking the rich widow who was his third wife; reneging on financial commitments he made to several mistresses and an illegitimate daughter; hiding his Jewishness until he was at death's door; and, finally, mounting a shameless, self-serving and unsuccessful publicity campaign to win the Nobel Peace Prize. Although his father was a dedicated Communist, ideology seems to have had nothing to do with Hammer's Soviet connections. The goal, as it was throughout his life, was money and power."



*(the records of JFK, Jr.'s "tragic airplane crash" have been sealed I think for 50 years), and witnesses and others nearby completely disagree with the main props of the official story of the 'accident.'

9/25/2006 11:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Picture this if you will...
It could happen on any day, at any time...
Your familiar ride home could hit a sudden & unforeseen detour.
And you could find yourself transported across time
& space...
Into another dimension where corporations & politicians no longer hold the reins of power.
Into a serene idyllic America where the people hold the law in their own hands.
Come with me as we journey
into the Twilight Zone...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/25/nyregion/25courts.html?hp&ex=1159243200&en=bd5050a3b3cb004e&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Some of the courtrooms are not even courtrooms: tiny offices or basement rooms without a judge’s bench or jury box. Sometimes the public is not admitted, witnesses are not sworn to tell the truth, and there is no word-for-word record of the proceedings.

A yearlong investigation by The New York Times of the life and history of New York State’s town and village courts found a long trail of judicial abuses and errors — and of governmental failure to curb them.

Nearly three-quarters of the judges are not lawyers, and many — truck drivers, sewer workers or laborers — have scant grasp of the most basic legal principles. Some never got through high school, and at least one went no further than grade school.

But serious things happen in these little rooms all over New York State. People have been sent to jail without a guilty plea or a trial, or tossed from their homes without a proper proceeding. In violation of the law, defendants have been refused lawyers, or sentenced to weeks in jail because they cannot pay a fine. Frightened women have been denied protection from abuse.

These are New York’s town and village courts, or justice courts, as the 1,250 of them are widely known. In the public imagination, they are quaint holdovers from a bygone era, handling nothing weightier than traffic tickets and small claims. They get a roll of the eyes from lawyers who amuse one another with tales of incompetent small-town justices.

A woman in Malone, N.Y., was not amused. A mother of four, she went to court in that North Country village seeking an order of protection against her husband, who the police said had choked her, kicked her in the stomach and threatened to kill her. The justice, Donald R. Roberts, a former state trooper with a high school diploma, not only refused, according to state officials, but later told the court clerk, “Every woman needs a good pounding every now and then.”

A black soldier charged in a bar fight near Fort Drum became alarmed when his accuser described him in court as “that colored man.” But the village justice, Charles A. Pennington, a boat hauler and a high school graduate, denied his objections and later convicted him. “You know,” the justice said, “I could understand if he would have called you a Negro, or he had called you a nigger.”

And several people in the small town of Dannemora were intimidated by their longtime justice, Thomas R. Buckley, a phone-company repairman who cursed at defendants and jailed them without bail or a trial, state disciplinary officials found. Feuding with a neighbor over her dog’s running loose, he threatened to jail her and ordered the dog killed.

“I just follow my own common sense,” Mr. Buckley, in an interview, said of his 13 years on the bench. “And the hell with the law.”

The New York Times spent a year examining the life and history of this largely hidden world, a constellation of 1,971 part-time justices, from the suburbs of New York City to the farm towns near Niagara Falls.

It is impossible to say just how many of those justices are ill-informed or abusive. Officially a part of the state court system, yet financed by the towns and villages, the justice courts are essentially unsupervised by either. State court officials know little about the justices, and cannot reliably say how many cases they handle or how many are appealed. Even the agency charged with disciplining them, the State Commission on Judicial Conduct, is not equipped to fully police their vast numbers.

But The Times reviewed public documents dating back decades and, unannounced, visited courts in every part of the state. It examined records of closed disciplinary hearings. It tracked down defendants, and interviewed prosecutors and defense lawyers, plaintiffs and bystanders.

The examination found overwhelming evidence that decade after decade and up to this day, people have often been denied fundamental legal rights. Defendants have been jailed illegally. Others have been subjected to racial and sexual bigotry so explicit it seems to come from some other place and time. People have been denied the right to a trial, an impartial judge and the presumption of innocence.

In 2003 alone, justices disciplined by the state included one in Montgomery County who had closed his court to the public and let prosecutors run the proceedings during 20 years in office. Another, in Westchester County, had warned the police not to arrest his political cronies for drunken driving, and asked a Lebanese-American with a parking ticket if she was a terrorist. A third, in Delaware County, had been convicted of having sex with a mentally retarded woman in his care.

9/25/2006 11:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

{africkinamerican}

Shrub says:

Sorry, Hilda, and Fricken, but you're out of bounds when you start spouting that stay on topic bullshit....

then please get off your authoritarian establishment soap box....



Huh?

I think you got my post confused with someone else's.

Although, you guessed right... I do have libertarian leanings. (Secretly, just between you and me, I am pretty much an anarchist.)

Libertarians, by the way, used to be known as liberals because they were for liberty, i.e., freedom from State interference.

The "liberalism" of today, comically misnamed, is anti-liberty. It is big-state socialism and is diametrically opposed to actual liberalism since it only advocates for more and more government interference in the lives of citizens.

The Cold War "conservatism" of Bill Buckley was a paler shade of socialism. It couldn't conserve anything, much less restore the liberties that had already been lost. The ascendant "neoconservatism" has jettisoned even a pretense of wanting to limit the size and power of government.

9/25/2006 11:49:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

It is big-state socialism and is diametrically opposed to actual liberalism since it only advocates for more and more government interference in the lives of citizens.

Government interference like: public education, old age pensions, child labor laws, disability & workman's comp, etc. Yep, just awful how them "big-state socialists" wanna crowd a man's freedoms. How's a guy supposed to pull himself up by his bootstraps with these goddamn commie-pinko faggots tying the invisible hand of the free market, anyway? Makes you feel downright sorry fer all them corporations: who's protecting their interests, anyway? It just ain't fair! A shame I tell ya, and a travesty to boot. I'm sure our egalitarian founding fathers would be rolling over in their equally-created coffins at the thought...

9/26/2006 12:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

{africkinamerican}

anon 5:12 -

thanks!

Those laughable, lovable, bumbling buffoons from Israel! Always getting caught blowing things up (or trying to) and blaming it on the Arabs!


... concluded that the cause of the explosion wasn’t a truck bomb, and that the embassy was destroyed by an implosion from within the building.

Moreover, the engineer found that a large crater was created after the blast to make it appear as if it was made by a truck bombing.



Sounds to me like ... OKC!


But something about these Israeli terrorist stories rubs me the wrong way.

The two Israelis ... called the attention of the sugar unionists because of their nervous and out of the ordinary behavior. ...observed that they were carrying guns and and what looked to them to be explosives.


If the weapons were obvious to a bunch of sugar unionists, this wasn't much of a plot and these guys aren't very covert. These art students, moving guys with boxcutters and explosives, and bomb-carriers seem to go out of their way to be noticed. The Mossad is often called the world's best intelligence agency. Surely they cannot be this incompetent. I have to wonder if these operations might not be camouflage for other, truly covert activities.

9/26/2006 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mossad is often called the world's best intelligence agency...

Don't believe the self-advertizing. The secret to a good intelligence agency is a corrupt state looking after it. Which surprising happened in Mexico. That Ariel Sharon rep flew to Mexico to get the Israelis and Mexican-Israelis out of what were terrorist charges!

Israel is presently sheltering both the moving van owner of the company that the Mossad used for the 9-11 operations, as well as sheltering the five man Mossad team ready and waiting to film the terorrism of 9-11!

Of course in that case though the corruption goes to Head Bastard Michael Chertoff, who actually released these bastards. Some "security service", Der Homeland Security is designed to allow more efficient centralized security holes, that's all.

A corrupt state is more valuable than an intelligence service staff because the former can cover for the expanding stupidities of the 'intelligence' of the latter.

And remember that when that CIA guy blew himself up in that Phillipine hotel rigging a bomb for later, the U.S. was the one to swoop in and illegally steal their stupid spook back from Phillipine laws.

I know that there are some loyal FBI and CIA out there, though it seems that the theory of 'ultimate compromisability' is why the shit-for-brains rises to the top in the United States.

They actually rewarded those 'intelligence operatives' who were involved in the 9-11 standdown instead of punishing them, while the loyal security services were punished.

The Bush regime is a narco-terrorist state. Come on loyal security services out there, serve your country: "we're looking for a few good leakers."

Posted above, that "LJ" Chavez, a Seargent of CENTCOM of all things, is the highest one I have seen yet.

That's an astounding story that seems to verify that Sears Tower as well as the White House were indeed meant to be hit on 9-11! Bastards!

Hopefully the media coverage and honest security services workers will protect him.

And if the OKC sounds to you like it has an Israeli connection, google it up. You're right:

"The official story"

Two drifters blew up the Murrah building, using an aluminum truck containing five plastic drums of fertilizer, which was parked 40' from the building.

However, their base was 1100 miles from Oklahoma City...

The truth

The attack was orchestrated by Zionists out of Elohim City

Reverend Millar

Millar, a Jewish Canadian, played the Fuehrer of Elohim City

In 1995, a massive explosion in the heartland of America, killed 169 people. The government told everyone it was the work of a disgruntled ex-army private, who became a white supremacist.

Now it appears, that the American Mossad units, the SPLC and ADL, had a connection, and there was multiple bombs.

The Public Story And Timeline

Timothy McVeigh, born in New York in 1968, was the alleged mastermind. In 1990, McVeigh joined the Army, where he met Fortier and Nichols (Anti-Semites). McVeigh is discharged in 1992 and headed home to NY, where he worked as a security guard till 1993. Next he visits Nichols at a Michigan farm, where he is reputed to have read anti-Jewish propaganda, and became a neo-nazi.

McVeigh made a living as a free-lance salesman, traveling the gun show circuit.

In March of 1994, he met Strassmeir at a gun show.

In April 94, he went back to Kingman, Arizona for a few months, where he lived with an Army buddy, Michael Fortier. McVeigh and Nichols later meet in Kansas, where they rob a gun collector of $60,000, and start buying fertilizer for the bomb.

Jan 1995 -April 95

In January 1995, they take the fertilizer to Arizona, and meet with Mike and Lori Fortier, where McVeigh stays for three months.

April 1995

McVeigh and Nichols meet in Herrington Kansas, 150 miles north of Oklahoma City, a week before the bombing. They rent the truck, mix the chemicals, then McVeigh blows up the building on April 19, 1995.

Terry Nichols

Nichols was a 35 yr old drifter, who joined the army in 1988, where he met McVeigh and Fortier. He spent time in the Philippines, where he married twice. Oddly, he made a few trips to the Philippines alone during 1994, and [conveniently] Jewish sources contend that Nichols trained under Ramsi Yousef.

[However,] The intelligence community say - "Nichols was an unwitting Mossad recruit, and floating the ridiculous Ramsi Yousef story is typical of Mossad disinformation propaganda. The Philippines is a Mossad hub."

[And the building was blown up from the inside instead of from a truck bomb, and there were multiple inside bombs actually found and reported by the DOJ--though only on local newsshows to Oklahoma was it aired. the Mockingbird press assured that nothing about this was broadcast outside of the state, where the story was to blame the 'crazy lone gunman personality' ad nauseum...]

...

The Real Perpetrators--note how well organized the cover up is--that is the real secret of "intelligence operations", everything from the judge to the witnesses were all rigged:


Andreas Strassmeir

A German Jew, and the mastermind.

Strassmier cover is he German. He was trained in Israel, and was sent directly to Elihom City. He speaks fluent Hebrew, and has a girlfriend in Israeli army. He is Mossad agent and an explosive expert. He is considered John Doe # 3.

Micheal Brescia

Morrano Jew and FBI informant. Michael Brescia was identified as John Doe #2, the person witnesses saw with McVeigh that morning.

Gary Hunt

Hunt runs a Patriot Website, and was also involved with the Waco Massacre in 1993. Gary Hunt is a suspected informant for the BATF. Hunt was in Oklahoma City on the day of the bombing. He is believed by some to be Jewish..

Daniel Spiegelman

Spiegelman was the fund raiser for the Oklahoma City bombing operation. He stole some rare manuscripts from Columbia University. He was arrested and imprisoned in the Netherlands when he attempted to sell historic documents. United States District Judge Lewis Kaplan, a Zionist, sentenced Spiegelman to 60 months in jail, plus 3 years probation.

Daniel Spiegelman is Jewish.

Timothy McVeigh

McVeigh was a patsy.

ROBERT MILLAR

A Jewish Canadian who was an FBI informant [located at]

ELOHIM CITY is a 400-acre compound, which was founded in 1973, and is located near Muldrow, Oklahoma. Elohim is Hebrew for Gods.

Ancillary figures [though without them the whole cover up would have unravelled]

Judge Richard Matsch

Matsch, a Jewish cowboy, controlled the trial. His court blocked this testimony on other bombs and seismograph information. Matsch wouldn't allow Carol Howe to testify about Elohim City.


...

Israeli Bomb Experts

Israeli bomb experts, Dorom Bergerbest-Eilom and Yakov Yerushalmi, were brought to Oklahoma at the request of ATF agent Guy Hamal.

According to Yediot Arhonot, there were 3 Israelis in Oklahoma before April 19th attack.

Carol Howe

She was the Elohim City temptress.

Most likely an SPLC plant, and definitely a federal informant.


Jesse Trentadue an attorney

Trentadue has sought FBI documents for years through the FOIA, which show a relationship between the SPLC and Elohim City. Information withheld because careers at stake.

J. Cash - Reporter

This fellow spent ten years investigating the crime. Here it's 46 minute Audio. Short transcript of what Morris Dees tells Cash.

J. Cash reveals new information in July, 2005 article.

Militia Movement

In many ways, the Oklahoma City bombing spelled the end of the anti-government militia movement to which McVeigh was linked. In the years following the bombing, most such groups either disbanded, or were pushed further to the fringes of American politics.

What Really Happened

The OKC bombing was engineered out of Elohim City, by Strassmeir, using Mossad demolition experts.

The SPLC, which is a US arm of the Mossad, set up the Elohim City base to recruit, and organize from. Their goal was to eliminate the Militias. After the BATF killings at Waco and Ruby Ridge, the FBI and BATF readily accepted the ADL and SPLC as trusted informants.

The ADL covered themselves by telling the FBI: "We have information on a pending terror attack, but not the specific location."

If Elohim City wasn't an SPLC False Flag operation, the FBI would have called in the Air National Guard, and carpet bomb Elohim City.

The FBI leveled Waco, slaughtered Randy Weaver's family, but they left the Elohim terror base untouched?

excerpted from, with many links for regular corporate media pieces vouching for these connections:

http://judicial-inc.biz/Oklahoma_City_Bomb.htm

9/26/2006 01:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Your rejectionism, without something to replace it with simply pushes good folk away from truth seeking.

Is that what it is? Rejectionism? I'm always the last to know! Sigh.

Seriously, if "getting real" is rejectionism.....then I guess I'm a rejectionist.

Why must I have something to proffer in its place? I don't like that kind of talk.....it reminds me of Corporate America...where I work everyday. You are told not to criticize unless you can offer a solution. As if!! Any solution you offer is doomed to the same fate because the context remains constant. Until you change the entire paradigm....and attempts to regulate the exponentially increasing speed of the runaway train are futile.

The train must crash. There's no other way. Perhaps a few will survive to create a new train from scratch and in a millennium, or less, there will be another crash...and another...and another...until we exist no more.

The herd mentality will ensure our extinction.

9/26/2006 11:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

.it reminds me of Corporate America...where I work everyday

A cubicle cuckold? Just bringing home the bacon?

The world is what you make it.

Peace,
K

9/26/2006 12:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

The world is what you make it.

Tell that to Johnny Gosch/Jeff Gannon.....or better yet, it's what The Neocons are saying to the Iraqis right now. Never mind that flesh wound...look on the bright side...The World Is What You Make Of It.

Thanks for those sage words of advice.....I know you have nothing but my best interests at corazon.

9/26/2006 12:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

Johnny Gosch is not Jeff Gannon.

And yes, if people left "Corporate America," the world would/could change.

Say what you will.
Do what you say.
And you can make,
A brand new day.

Peace is an action,

Om,
Kris Millegan

9/26/2006 03:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

And yes, if people left "Corporate America," the world would/could change.

We agree on this........and I am trying, Kris, believe me. I hate that I feed Mammon all day long. I looked at the Want Ads in the back of The Nation.....but guess what? They're not paying a Living Wage.....imagine that...a publication that purports to embrace the idea of a Living Wage doesn't provide a Living Wage.

Perhaps you could help by getting me a publishing deal.......maybe you, Jeff and myself could come together and form a magazine publication of our own. My field is Finance and I'm credentialed to the hilt. I would certainly consider such an endeavor. Wouldn't it be great to give the likes of Jeff, Myself, Starroute, Richard and last, but not least, IC a Mainstream Outlet in which to disburse our wisdom?

9/27/2006 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Hmmmm...just as I surmized.

It's the same thing...over and over...the same message....and that is....YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN, KID.

J.D. Salinger had it right in Catcher In The Rye.

9/28/2006 11:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

Shrub

If you really wish to do something, call me, I have put my phone number online. I have no money, never have,

I just do it.

Peace,
Kris Millegan
800.556.2012

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