Monday, July 31, 2006

The Violent Bear It Away



Don't take no tidal wave, don't take no mass grave
Don't take no smokin' gun to show how the west was won - Neil Young


These are strange days, even for those who have anticipated them. It's not so much that things are going to Hell, it's just that things seem to be getting there so much sooner than expected. Only two more years of drought and the Amazon rain forest may burn and become a desert, a process "that might end in the world becoming uninhabitable." The oceans are devolving into an acidic, primeval goo. Complex life is dying by our hands while we extinguishing ourselves, creating conditions unknown for hundreds of millions of years, in which the very bottom of the food chain, the slimes and invertebrates, reinherit the Earth.

And even for the Middle East, which has seen so many wars, this war is an odd one. Israel's actions appear counter-intuitive, even by its hard-right's own measure of "national security." Its self-immolation of any credible claim to a just cause virtually assures tragedy for itself and its people. Its goading Syria and Iran into a general war by turning Lebanon into a slaughterhouse means the Israeli state has become, itself, a suicide bomber; an engine of apocalypse. But for whom, and for what?

"[Israeli] Defense officials told the [Jerusalem] Post last week that they were receiving indications from the US that America would be interested in seeing Israel attack Syria." And Haaretz quotes Hezbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah as saying on Saturday that the "Israelis are ready to halt the aggression because they are afraid of the unknown. The one pushing for the continuation of the aggression is the US administration." And then there are a pair of Mephistopholean characters named Cheney and Netanyahu.

It's often presumed that Israel leads American policy in the Middle East, and that's frequently been true, which is why this war is strikingly and disturbingly different. The United States is actually egging on Israel to press the attack regardless of the cost Israelis may be expected to bear for the fresh blood its armed forces shed. George Bush spoke arguably his most frightening and truthful words last Friday, when he admitted that it's not the White House intention to create "a sense of stability." It's by instability - by creating "failed states" in the Balkans, Central Asia, the Middle East and elsewhere - that End-Time criminals stand to gain the most. That may be little surprise to those of us who know the playbook, but our humanity still can't help but be shocked by their unbridled delight in the "opportunities" now presented by the "new Middle East."

In the mid-90s, there was talk of a different, new Middle East.

On the evening of November 4, 1995, in Tel Aviv's Kings of Israel Square, Yitzhak Rabin spoke these words:

There are enemies of peace who are trying to hurt us, in order to torpedo the peace process. I want to say bluntly, that we have found a partner for peace among the Palestinians as well: the PLO, which was an enemy, and has ceased to engage in terrorism. Without partners for peace, there can be no peace. We will demand that they do their part for peace, just as we will do our part for peace, in order to solve the most complicated, prolonged, and emotionally charged aspect of the Israeli-Arab conflict: the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

This is a course which is fraught with difficulties and pain. For Israel, there is no path that is without pain. But the path of peace is preferable to the path of war. I say this to you as one who was a military man, someone who is today Minister of Defense and sees the pain of the families of the IDF soldiers. For them, for our children, in my case for our grandchildren, I want this Government to exhaust every opening, every possibility, to promote and achieve a comprehensive peace. Even with Syria, it will be possible to make peace.

This rally must send a message to the Israeli people, to the Jewish people around the world, to the many people in the Arab world, and indeed to the entire world, that the Israeli people want peace, support peace. For this, I thank you.

And then he was shot.

There's a reflex among some on the left to embrace the lone gunman hypothesis, because they regard the alternative as an embrace of a hollow liberal myth. Noam Chomsky and Alexander Cockburn regard John F Kennedy as nothing but a patrician cold warrior who would have delivered more of the same had he lived. Rabin receives the same treatment, if not more, for his harsh words and measures during the Intifada and for the flawed Oslo Accords. But their killers were not appraising them from the left. From the hard right, they were both men who had risen through the system and had become traitors to it.

Rabin's convicted lone gunman, Yigal Amir, had close ties to the extremist nationalist organization Eyal, and was groomed by its founder Avishai Raviv to kill Rabin. The Israeli paper Maariv reported November 24, 1995 that "according to Sarah Eliash, a schooteacher working at the Shomron Girls Seminary, some of her pupils heard Raviv encourage Amir to murder Rabin. Raviv told Amir, "Show us you're a man. Do it."

Uri Dan and Dennis Eisenberg elaborated on the girls testimony writing for The Jerusalem Post, which Barry Chamish quotes in his Who Murdered Yitzhak Rabin?

Sarah Eliash had already appeared voluntarily before the commission and related how her pupils had run to see her on the night of the killing. In tears they said they knew Yigal Amir. They had met both Amir and Avishai Raviv.... 'We used to see Raviv and Amir on Saturdays during last summer,' they related.

These gatherings were arranged by Yigal... Raviv was real macho. He kept saying to Yigal: 'You keep talking about killing Rabin. Why don't you do it? Are you frightened? You say you want to do it. Show us that you're a man. Show us what you're made of.

Now, would it surprise you to know that Avishai Raviv, the founder of the extremist Eyal and the bug in the ear of Rabin's assassin, was also a Shabak (or "Shin Bet," Israel's covert internal security) agent, codenamed "Champagne" for, writes Chamish, "the bubbles of incitement he raised"?

From Marriv:

Amnon Abramovitch dropped a bombshell last night, announcing that Avishai Raviv was a Shabak agent codenamed "Champagne." Now we ask the question, why didn't he report Yigal Amir's plan to murder Rabin to his superiors? In conversations with security officials, the following picture emerged. Eyal was under close supervision of the Shabak. They supported it monetarily for the past two years. The Shabak knew the names of all Eyal members, including Yigal Amir.

Just as 9/11 was wargamed, so too was Rabin's murder. Shabak explained its failure to protect the Prime Minister at Kings of Israel Square with the excuse that it had "no contingency plan" to stop a lone gunman. A year and a half after the assassination, that blew up in the agency's face with Anashim's interview of two former members of Shabak's personal security unit, Tuvia Livneh and Yisrael Shai. "When Yisrael and I heard the news of the murder we became infuriated at the fact that there was a contingency plan for just such an attempt, which we practiced endless times."

Anashim continues:

This is not a case of wisdom after the fact, but scandalous wisdom well before the event, which is being published for the first time: when the two commanded the unit at the beginning of the 1990s, they prepared a detailed contingency plan for a political assassination at Kings of Israel Square, including the possibility that the assassin would act from the exit stairs behind the stage, precisely where Yigal Amir waited for Yitzhak Rabin. The plan was transferred to field command where it was practiced in dry runs.

So, a suggestible gunman was befriended and goaded into action by an undercover Shabak agent, and the assassination followed the script written and performed in dress rehearsal by the same agency. These are just two of the arguments for conspiracy in Rabin's death. Chamish, following his own political lights, believes the guilt lay with leftist elements seeking to discredit the right, but he reaches that conclusion by far overreaching the disturbing facts of the case with partisan speculation. Besides, if it had been an attack from the left, it failed miserably. In the ten years since the murder Israeli society, despairing of peace, has undergone a rightward radicalization. Last November, the Dahaf Polling Institute found that "20 percent of respondents said Amir should be pardoned, and 45 percent said he should be allowed to have conjugal visits in prison." ("The measure of public sympathy toward Amir worries Rabin's surviving family members.") The poll also found that a quarter of respondents "believed in a conspiracy theory perpetrated by the Shin Bet."

Chamish spoke by telephone to one of the young women who had heard Raviv encourage Amir to murder Rabin. Soon after, her father took hold of the receiver, and told him to "Find someone else if you can. You have to understand that, don't you? You don't know what's going on.... This is no democracy. You don't know what it is.... I can't tell you what they said they'd do to her if she talked anymore."

The Age of Nations is over, and many of the most powerful are no longer ruled by forces which safeguard the interests of the state, let alone its citizens. We're entering an extinction boundary, between the reign of high mammals and the return of the jellyfish. What are the politics of jellyfish?

156 Comments:

Anonymous streeb said...

What a heartbreaking post. I'd say brilliant too, if it didn't make me feel so sick.

7/31/2006 04:52:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Brilliant, Jeff (and nice prose, too.) Strangely, serendipitously enough, I was just yakking with my brothers over at ICH on this same Rabin thing, after I ran into an unusual editorial over at Buzzflash. Here it went:

We could take the following editorial apart, if we wanted to (Rabin's past was not unblemished; concerns for Israeli security should not be considered more important than those of its victims, etc.), but look at this piece for what it intends to be: an honest, independent, conscientious Jewish voice that is sickened by what Israel is doing and is correctly guessing that Israel is being used by the Evil Ones, perhaps fatally. It is a trap into which they have fallen; led by their ignorant, right-wing worshippers of force, Israel has blundered into irretrievable, irreconciliable madness. The insane hubris of confusing might with right--terror with a "just war;" this vile, deceptive, and debilitating oxymoron must be discredited, or the warmongers will never be stopped. Take heart, as well. If these Jewish voices can recognize the manipulation of Israel for what it is, then maybe the dissonance chewing at the dormant conscience and slowly awakening consciousness of the docile American herd will soon force this same understanding to the fore in the heart of the Evil Empire.

How We Miss Yitzhak Rabin

– A BuzzFlash Editorial July 30, 2006

When Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated in 1995, we felt a profound loss and a sense of horrible foreboding. He was killed by a right wing Israeli -- not an Arab, not a Palestinian, not an Iranian, not a Syrian. He was killed by a fanatical, radical Israeli who saw the democratically elected Prime Minister of Israel as a proponent of the Oslo accords and as an enemy of the settler movement.

We support Israel's full right to be a nation-state and live without suicide attacks and rockets launched by Hezbollah. The editor of BuzzFlash, who is Jewish, has relatives and friends in Israel. We wish them, as would anyone, long and safe lives for them and their children. Many of them are quite dear to us. But we cannot support, condone, or do anything but fully condemn the loss of life in Qana, Lebanon, where the majority of more than 50 people killed by Israeli air strikes were children.

Rabin was shot and killed by a right wing Israeli after he sang a song of peace in a packed rally in front of the Tel Aviv government center. That was a long time and so many hopes of peace dashed ago. Israel has real security problems; that has always been clear. But, like Bush in Iraq, you can become the terror you behold if you lose your sense of decency, humanity, and compassion. Too many children have died in Lebanon for ongoing explanations by Prime Minister Olmert that it is "Hezbollah's fault" to be acceptable by any standard of responsibility.

Hezbollah -- which is really a gang that is a political arm of Iran and Syria -- is outsmarting Israel this time because it is winning both the public relations war and appears to be holding its own in the ground war with Israel. That is nothing to cheer about. Hezbollah is up to no good. But the Israeli government, still basically a right wing Likkud leadership with a makeover as a new party, has lost its strategic savvy and its moral advantage. It appears to have been drawn into an entrapment from which it cannot escape -- and children and civilians are the victims of this grave miscalculation.

Hezbollah came to power as a result of the first Israeli invasion of Lebanon. They won many Shiites over by setting up a system of social, educational and medical services in the absence of a functioning Lebanese government. They are no Boy Scouts and Lebanon would be better off without them, but they are strategists who have exploited the vulnerabilities of Israel's "air war" mindset. It's a military vulnerability that America has shared since the Vietnam War. You can't win a war against guerillas by bombing them into submission, unless you want to take a whole country out with them.

The desire of the Bush administration to lead the Middle East further into chaos and bloodshed is both heinous and destructive. Nothing will come of Bush's "out of chaos comes calm" theory except more chaos. Afghanistan and then Iraq were supposed to bring calm to the Middle Eat and all they have brought is ruin.

Destiny is not fixed, nor are attitudes. The world is dynamic and evolutionary. We can only hope that Israel survives the dreadful mistakes in its conduct of the current Lebanese war, and that it can turn to spending billions of dollars to woo the Palestinians and Shiites on its border instead of bombing them off the map. We also fear that the military confrontation with Hezbollah, which thus far has accomplished little to increase Israel's security according to most analysts, is perhaps an effort, coordinated with the White House, to try and draw Syria and/or Iran into the conflict, thus justifying U.S. air strikes on those country. Because with every bomb, Israel is just creating 10 more terrorists, and increasing the "mythic image" among Palestinians of Hezbollah as a fearless "warrior" against Israel. Israeli citizens must be protected from rocket attacks, but this war appears only to be increasing them, not decreasing them.

Steven Spielberg, a Jew and the creator of "Schindler's List," was denounced by many Jewish leaders for his ambivalence about revenge killings as depicted in "Munich." But what will all this lead to, the lead Israeli assassin of the terrorist leaders who planned the Munich Olympic massacres, asks his Mossad handler at the end of the operation? There will be more terrorists to fill their shoes. An eye for an eye is in the Bible, and so we have ancient bloodshed still unfolding millenia later. Or maybe it is "ten eyes for an eye." But, just as in Iraq, this will not stop the cycle of bloodshed. It will only increase it. How much we miss the wisdom of Yitzhak Rabin, the warrior who found a road to peace -- just before he was assassinated.

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So, like Uri Avnery, even the comparatively milque-toast Buzzflash has taken a principled stand--and its editors are, like Uri, also Jews. Defy the message of the masters! Don't let yourselves be divided into the camps that have been prepared for you!
häuptling aberja

(They've got a real problem at ICH with people falling into that "filthy Jew" thing; hence my missionary zeal.)

7/31/2006 05:05:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

my God! the world is changing *us*, it is not we who are changing the world...

7/31/2006 05:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great post on Rabin. It somehow still shocks me to see the depth of the control this cabal has on the world, and how each fresh crime has so many echoes in history.

But in Mr. Bush's defense (a phrase I never thought I'd type), that quote was somewhat out of context. I read it as a mangled attempt to explain that the purpose of his administration's policy is to address and to correct the root causes of instability in the middle east, thereby creating stability. Of course it's an obvious lie, but the point I'm making was that he was trying to tell the official story, not giving us any clues or revealing his agenda.

7/31/2006 06:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"We're entering an extinction boundary, between the reign of high mammals and the return of the jellyfish. What are the politics of jellyfish?"

Jellyfish sting, indiscriminantely.

Harker

7/31/2006 06:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i'M WITH MEL.....FREAKIN JEWS (JUST THE NEOCONS)

7/31/2006 07:08:00 PM  
Anonymous jules said...

That was a wild weekend back in 95.

I remember it well, it was one o those weekends where a whole lot of bad stuff happened, on a personal level.

People should remember, when they start screaming "Terrorists attack israel", that it Rabins death that sparked the upsurge in settler incursions into palestinian territory. The beginning of a campaign of casual murder by the settlers, or someone who profoundly wished the world to believe it was the settlers.

This was the start of the second interfada. It was like watching a car crash in slow motion.

One of the wildest lightning storms I had ever seen (up until the last year or so) came through then too.

It was that weekend that we arranged to move out here as well. Partly to try and live out the end of the world.

More than ten years later, after having thought maybe we were starting to dodge a bullet, the end of the world is back on the agenda big time.

Although jellyfish sting indiscriminately, they usually only do so if you venture into their territory.

Or if like my brother you are unlucky enough to be just entering the water when a stray man o war or bluebottle tentacle gets wrappped around you.

It does hurt tho...

I dunno maybe the last hope humanity has is to live thru something completely fucked, like the Amazon burning.

Nothing else seems to be getting us together.

7/31/2006 08:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

And the best thing of all is...

you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

I toured the coast of Mississippi this past weekend. The devastation is monumental when viewed in person as opposed to the all-seeing electronic eye.

The Gulf was amazingly placid. How could this harmless, benign, limp body of water have wrecked such havoc? Yet it did....and then some.

Everywhere, there were Billboard Solicitations for Casino Employees....especailly the Beau Rivage. Come on....gamble your future away......again.....and again.

There were several people swimming in the eerily calm and static waters.....and I thought to myself...why would they want to immerse themselves in what can only be described as a cesspool of human rot and decay? Of course, I know the answer, and it's not just a river in Egypt......it's also the Mighty Mississipp.

We have squandered our talents....and I'm afraid there are no more. Our extinction as a species is drawing close......we know it (us, the few) and we cling to the few remaining straws of optimism, but alas, they cannot hold our weight.....or wait.

The Abyss is staring back.

7/31/2006 09:39:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Posted on Mon, Jul. 31, 2006
1 million march on Mexico City

Another protest demands vote recount
By Kevin Diaz And David Ovalle

MCCLATCHY NEWSPAPERS

MEXICO CITY - A record 1.2 million people poured into this city's central square yesterday in another show of force by backers of leftist AndrŽs Manuel L—pez Obrador and his demand for a recount in the July 2 election that gave a narrow victory to conservative Felipe Calder—n.

The turnout was less than the 2 million L—pez Obrador had promised two weeks ago, when he brought 1.1 million followers to the Zocalo, the city's historic central square.

But police said it was the largest demonstration in Mexico's history, and analysts said it was enough to lend momentum to L—pez Obrador's case, which is being considered by Mexico's federal election tribunal, which must declare a winner by Sept. 6.

"The electoral tribunal has to rule independently, but they have to be aware of public opinion," said John Ackerman, a law professor at the National Autonomous University of Mexico.

L—pez Obrador said he would not hold another mass march but instead would organize 47 "permanent assemblies" of supporters who would hold around-the-clock vigils throughout the city until the tribunal rules

7/31/2006 09:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Vmeme7 said...

"You have to leave now, and never come back here. Have you ever heard of insect politics? Neither have I. Insects... don't have politics. They're very... brutal. No compassion, no compromise. We can't trust the insect. I'd like to become the first... insect politician. Y'see, I'd like to, but... I'm afraid, uh... I'm saying... I'm saying I - I'm an insect who dreamt he was a man and loved it. But now the dream is over... and the insect is awake... I'm saying: 'I'll hurt you if you stay'"


-V

7/31/2006 10:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i've read every rig int post since it began, but damn i feel like i need to quit. i'm starting to have panic attacks because of it.

7/31/2006 11:13:00 PM  
Anonymous  said...

Hopefully a few species of octopus will survive this mess.

I believe the higher molluscs stand a good chance of establishing a better society than this one in 100 million years or so, especially if they can make it out of the water and take to the trees (geologically) soon.

The apes may all die off, but surely there will still be birds.

I have high hopes for the crows myself.

8/01/2006 12:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Soon I fear, the demise of Damascus: Isaiah 17.

8/01/2006 12:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Ishvara said...

Hey,
I've been reading this blog for the last half year or so but this is my first post here. You've been doing an amazing job Jeff... i look forward to reading every one of your posts. There's been some real interesting points and discussions here and i figured this would be a good place to shoot some questions of my own.

I wasn't familiar with Rabin and his assassination until reading this (i would have been 9 when it happened) but it sounds like Israel's JFK. JFK's murder seems to have been a coup and it sounds like Rabin's was as well.

One of Jeff's previous posts mentioned having good peripheral vision and so i wonder what happens when the syria and iran dominos have fallen? (which seems imminent). The first scenario that comes mind is Russia and China vs. US and India kind of ordeal. India, however seems to be the wildcard. Being fully Indian, this situation disturbs me. There was landmark nuclear deal between the US and India that was fishy to say the least (Bush even visited India). The deal basically gives India access US civilian nuclear technology, and opens Indian civilian nuclear facilities for inspection. What was controversial about this was India was not required to sign a Non-Proliferation treaty.
Then came the 'kashmiri branch' calling for a jihad, followed by the bomb blasts in mumbai. If things in the middle east are bad than what will nuclear war between India and Pakistan be like (sparked by synthetic terror of course)? Will it come to that? Pakistan seems to be a lot closer to the Bush administration than most people realize. People in general don't seem to be talking about this highly volatile situation between these two countries, in the mainstream or otherwise. It's hard to say anything for certain in a world where sophistry runs rampant but all i do know is that India is an important piece on the chessboard; and that regardless of what happens, my country is fucked, just like the rest of the world.

8/01/2006 12:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JIMI sang, 1983 A Merman I Should Turn to Be, followed by Moon Turn the Tides Gently, Gently Away, and Power of Soul:

Hurray, I awake from yesterday
Alive, but the war is here to
stay
So my love, Katerina and me,
decide to take our last walk through the doors to the sea
Not to die but to be reborn,
away from the land so battered and torn
Forever,
Forever...
Oh say, can you see it's really such a mess
Every inch of Earth is a fighting nest
Giant pencil and lipstick tube shaped things
Continue to rain
And cause screaming pain
And the arctic stains from silver
blue to bloody red
As our feet find the sand and the
sea
Is straight ahead,
Straight up ahead....
Well, it's too bad
That our friends
Can't be with us today
Well it's too bad
But the machine
That we built
would never save us
That's what they say
(That's why they ain't coming with us today)
And they also said
It's impossible for a man
To live and breathe underwater, Forever...was their main complaint.
And they also threw this in my face, they said:
Anyway,
You know good and well
It would be beyond the will of God
And the grace of the king, grace of the king, yeah.
So my darling and I make love
in the sand
To salute the last moment ever on dry land.
Our machine, it has done its work, Played its part quite well.
Without a scratch on our bodies and we bid it farewell.
Starfish and giant foams greet us with a smile
Before our heads go under we take a last look at the killing noise
Of the out of style,
The out of style, out of style
Oooh...

So down and down and down and down
And down and down we go
Hurry my darling we mustn't be late
For the show
Neptune champion games to an aqua
World is so very dear
Right this way smiles a mermaid
I can hear a man is full of cheer.
That man is full of cheer
I could hear that man is full of cheer
Lord thank you

Come back down to earth my friend,
come back up with me.
With all been through the night time baby,
Darlin,sweet caress of reality.
With the power of soul,
anything is possible.
With the power of soul,
anything is possible.

Flyin' so much with one toy, babe,
Tends to be a risk,
Escape to a far away land.
It's so groovy to float around sometimes,
even a jellyfish will tell you that.
I said floatation is groovy and easy.
Even a jellyfish will agree to that.
Yeah,but old jellyfish been floatin' so long and so slack,
Ain't got a bone in his jelly back.
Floatin' everyday and every night,ridin' high,
Tends to be a risk,
Sometimes the wind ain't right.

With the power of soul,
anything is possible.
With the power of soul,
anything is possible.

8/01/2006 12:44:00 AM  
Anonymous hkp said...

It was the US that pushed the 100,000 radiations.

8/01/2006 12:48:00 AM  
Anonymous max said...

Great, great post. I would've liked some references to the peculiarly silent big-time voices and their odd silence during all this. Most especially, Zionist Noam. Chomsky's last two articles since this lebanese atrocity began can pretty much seal up the theory that Chomsky was nothing more than a gatekeeper. I think you pointed this out before Xymph.

I also would've liked to hear your thoughts on the coincidental and coordinated "anti-semite" incidents of the Seattlle Turk who went on a shopping spree, and the odd Mel Gibson obssession with his "anti-semitic' remark where he basically said "F'in Jews, all they do is start wars". Considering the sheer horror and anger that most of the world feels these days, I wouldnt at all be surprised if his remarks were taken out of context and he was simply expressing frustration at the current US and ISarel insane genocide of women and children, not to mention their insane lies.

One other thing, why so much attention to these "rockets' that are nothing more than glorified M80's, I have yet to see any real Israeli victims. Where's the napalmed faces, missing limbs, dead bodies?

8/01/2006 02:36:00 AM  
Anonymous starroute said...

I put together a quick chronology of Israeli governments a couple of months ago -- mostly to try to understand Iran-Contra better, but I extended it into the 90's as well.

What I found seems worth a quick review here.

Up until 1977, Labor (under various names) was entirely dominant. In that year, the first Likud government was formed under Menahem Begin. For the next 15 years, there was a series of mainly Likud governments under Begin and then Itzhak Shamir, interrupted only by a period of Labor/Likud coalitions from 1984 to 1990, when Shamir and Shimon Peres alternated as prime minister.

From 1992 to 1996, there was a period of Labor governments under Rabin and Peres, followed by another one under Ehud Barak in 1999-2001. And since then, it's been all Likud again.

One interesting thing about this is the way Israeli politics generally marches in step with US politics during the same period -- turning conservative in the late 70's, being particularly strongly tied to the Neocons in the first Reagan administration, having mainly Labor governments during the Clinton years, then returning to Likud dominance.

The other interesting thing is the one exception to that pattern -- the overthrow of the Rabin/Peres governments in favor of the execrable Benjamin Netanyahu, who was prime minister from 1996 to 1999.

I use the word "overthrow" quite deliberately. The assassination of Rabin was only half of the story. The other half has to do with Shimon Peres, who took over on Rabin's death and was initially so wildly popular that he called for early elections -- and then saw his lead in the polls of up to 30% over Netanyahu completely wiped out by an oddly convenient wave of suicide bombings in February-March 1996, which not only ensured Peres' defeat but also hardened Israeli public opinion against the Oslo Accords.

Netanyahu, of course, is extremely tight with the Neocons -- has been since the 70's -- and is the person for whom "Securing the Realm" was written. The Netanyahu period of 1996-99 is also when the events that Sibel Edmonds keeps hinting about occurred -- when AIPAC and the American Turkish Council were working hand in glove to do whatever is so unmentionable that the Bush administration has seen fit to gag her to keep it under wraps.

I'm no expert on Israeli politics -- and this is an extremely condensed version even of what I know. But it seems entirely clear to me that the assassination of Rabin was far more than a settler cabal but was the first act of a highly successful coup -- that was itself the shadow precedent for the attempted coup-by-blowjob against Clinton a couple of years later.

American presidential elections have been subject to intense manipulation since at least the late 70's, when the CIA Old Boys' Network decided it had to get rid of Carter. Israeli politics give many signs of having been manipulated in the same manner, by the same people, and to the same ends.

Here, for example, is a quote from Tarpley's Unauthorized Biography. This post is not the place to try to give a complete explication of the names involved -- but suffice it to say that they show a ripe mixture of Neocons with figures more closely associated with the CIA (Ray Cline) or P2 circles in Italy(Claire Sterling):

But in the midst of Bush's summer, 1979 preparations for his presidential bid, there was one very serious moment of preparation that addressed the some real issues, albeit in a way virtually invisible from the campaign trail. This was a conference Bush attended at the Jonathan Institute in Jerusalem on July 2-5. Instead of mugging for the television cameras while eating hotdogs on the Fourth of July at a picnic in Iowa or New Hampshire, Bush journeyed to Israel for what was billed as the Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism.

The Jonathan Institute had been founded earlier the same year by Benjamin Netanyahu, a young crazy of the Likud block, in memory of his brother Jonathan, who had been killed during the Israeli raid on Entebbe in 1976. The Jonathan Institute was a semi-covert propaganda operation and could only be defined as a branch of the Israeli government. The committee sponsoring this conference on terrorism was headed up by Prime Minister Menachem Begin, followed by Moshe Dayan and many other prominent Israeli politicians and generals.

The US delegation to the conference was divided according to partisan lines, but was generally united by sympathy for the ideas and outlook of the Bush-Cherne Team B. The Democratic delegation was led by the late Senator Henry Jackson of Washington. This group included civil rights leader Bayard Rustin, plus Norman Podhoretz and Midge Decter of Commentary Magazine, two of the most militant and influential Zionist neoconservatives. Ben Wattenberg of the American Enterprise Institute was also on hand. Although the group that arrived with Scoop Jackson were supposedly Democrats, most of them would support Reagan-Bush in the November, 1980 election.

Then there was the GOP delegation, which was led by George Bush. Here were Bush activist Ray Cline, Major General George Keegan, a stalwart supporter of Team B, and Professor Richard Pipes of Harvard, the leader of Team B. Here were Senator John Danforth of Missouri and Brian Crozier, a "terrorism expert." Pseudo-intellectual columnist George Will ("Will the Shill") was also on hand, as was Rome-based journalist Claire Sterling, who had been active in covering up the role of Henry Kissinger in the 1978 assassination of Italian Prime Minister Aldo Moro, and who would later be blind to indications of an Anglo-American role in the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II.

8/01/2006 02:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Jeff, your intellect is refreshing and offers much to muse! Been following your stuff for some time--Much thanks and genuine appreciation for your contributions.
In light of current events I offer the following from Joseph Ehrlich, (Senderberl@aol.com) http://www.rense.com/general31/thebushdoubledouble.htm Ehrlich's credibility/sincerity lends some kind of sense to an otherwise confusing state of affairs. Perhaps, Israel has been set up for the fall and the ensuing global scheme of things?
Thanks again Jeff--will stay tuned!

8/01/2006 03:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Raul said...

I just want to go on the record saying that I don't believe humanity is facing imminent extinction. Also, these most probably are not the end times, though it's definitely possible.

8/01/2006 03:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with you, Raul.

God will punish humanity by making sure we continue to exist.

Btw, how's Fidel?

8/01/2006 04:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Raul said...

He's not so hot right now, but he's a big boy and will be just fine. When I do take power though, do you think I should put in a Starbucks or McDonald's in first?

But, serious folks, why is the world so damn bizarre?

8/01/2006 04:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raul,

Go back and read the strings of comments under the recent posts "Duck's Head Soup" and the "Monotony of Evil".

It's a pretty thorough introduction to the bizarreness, with a lot of spitting and hissing added for sound effects.

My favorite poster is Mojo Filter.

But then I'm a godless commie, or is it godless nazi(?), I forget, who actually believes in God and honors freedom of thought and action.

Your little/big bro', Fidelito/Fidelote

8/01/2006 05:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“And even for the Middle East, which has seen so many wars, this war is an odd one. Israel's actions appear counter-intuitive, even by its hard-right's own measure of "national security." Its self-immolation of any credible claim to a just cause virtually assures tragedy for itself and its people. Its goading Syria and Iran into a general war by turning Lebanon into a slaughterhouse means the Israeli state has become, itself, a suicide bomber; an engine of apocalypse. But for whom, and for what?”
For whom and for what.
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/2321/47/
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/2346/47/

8/01/2006 05:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove

8/01/2006 06:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,oh,the video of Rabin getting shot is one of the best ever. This man must be super human,he takes a few shots then he runs another 30 or so feet to his waiting limo.All the time with a severed spinal cord from one of the shots he took,this video is one of the greatest fuck ups I have ever seen.The man was surely plugged in the back seat at close range.Also the driver got lost on the way to the hospital with the poor man,my my how strange things happen during sacrifice,later.

8/01/2006 06:48:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Jeff Wells represents the next style for journalism. By adding the literary element to a topical piece, he engages so as to expand perspectives and a sense of wonder toward the world. As in science, it is the anomaly that contains more answers to the puzzle.

The abyss is disturbing because there seems to be no floor. The abyss does have a floor and as Starroute might intimate, within the “unknown unknown” lays our salvation rather than our destruction.

Raul said;
But, serious folks, why is the world so damn bizarre?
Because we like it that way.

Anon 11:13 said;
i've read every rig int post since it began, but damn i feel like i need to quit. i'm starting to have panic attacks because of it.

We have all been poisoned by everything we drink in. We come to this well because we want some cleaner water. Stick with it; there are better things yet to come.

Shrub, yes pudding pops, I think that can be made to fit.

8/01/2006 07:07:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

CNN has dropped Mexico from the playlist. The million that marched for truth in the election just two days ago get nadda.

This is deja vu all over again.

8/01/2006 07:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I must say, I like how Jeff stitches together what conventional wisdom would say are two mutually exclusive and incongruent topics. It serves many purposes, but the purpose it serves best, IMHO, is revealing commentators true colors in their choice of aspects on which to focus.

It is very telling that the majority of commentators, thus far, have chosen to focus on the Rabin Assassination, whereas a few of us have chosen to comment on the environmental aspect. If Jeff's post is not disheartening enough, the fact that so many choose to ignore the FACT that the earth can no longer sustain us given current population trends and consumption habits, further reinforces my point that extinction is knocking at our door....and it's about to kick it in.

I do not believe there is some Black Ops Magic Pill Technology that will save a few and clean up the stench and mess when the mass die-off is complete.

8/01/2006 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don’t those of you who think that the end times are near go off and jump over the cliff or something like that? It will make things so much the easier for the rest of us.

Jesus Christ! What a pack of whiners! This is probably one of the most interesting blogs on the web but, by God, it must also be the one with the most individuals who seem to get a kick out of saying how bad things are and scaring the shit out of everyone else. You are doing exactly what “they” want us to be: frightened little sheep.

Sure, things look bad and will probably get worse. But let’s stop whining and get ready to do something about it.

Bloody hell. You really drive me up the wall with your perpetual pessimism.

8/01/2006 10:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Hmmmm.....what a convenient distraction from the daily Israeli Atrocities.

We bring you, none other than the venerable Mel Gibson and, of course, Anti-Semitism.

Take Your Eye Off The Ball, Please.

Coincidence? Maybe....then again, maybe not.

8/01/2006 10:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Sure, things look bad and will probably get worse. But let’s stop whining and get ready to do something about it.

Okay.....I'm open to suggestions. What do you portend we do about it?

I will issue this caveat, however, before anything can be accomplished, a substantial number of people have to be on the same page. I'm not so sure I'm on the same page as everyone posting here....or even the majority, for that matter.

So, how about you quit mouthing off and put your money where your mouth is, and lay your plan out for us. And don't hand me any shit about getting down on my knees and praying to God to bail our asses out cuz that ain't gonna fly, Bucko.

8/01/2006 10:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

You have to love it, Baby!! Sorry to whine Anon, but here's some more fuel for the fire of burning Satire.

http://home.bellsouth.net/s/editorial.dll?pnum=1&bfromind=2214&eeid=5006540&_sitecat=1505&dcatid=0&eetype=article&render=y&ac=3&ck=&ch=ne&rg=blsadstrgt

Afghans Get Help on Drugs From Colombia

Anti-drug police from the world's leading producer of cocaine, Colombia, have been touring Afghanistan, the top heroin-producing nation, to advise it on how to combat its booming illegal drug trade, officials said Tuesday.

A five-member team from Colombia, including a female attack helicopter pilot and the chief of its drug interdiction unit, has spent 10 days meeting counternarcotics police and officials around Afghanistan.

Interdiction chief Lt. Col. Oscar Atehortua said they had been sharing their "expertise and experience" from 30 years of battling drugs and terrorist groups involved in the illicit trade, and may help train Afghans in the future.

"The problem you have here is very similar to what we have in Colombia," Atehortua told reporters in Kabul. "After a lot of mistakes in the war against drugs in our country, now we have a very good counternarcotics unit ... that is seizing a lot of drugs that are coming out of our country."

Last year, Colombian security forces confiscated a record 223 metric tons (245 short tons) of cocaine, but U.S. drug officials believe that's no more than 20 percent of the total successfully smuggled out of the country.

Cultivation in Colombia of coca, the plant used to make cocaine, has dropped sharply since its peak in 2000, but has recently started increasing.

Hundreds of millions of dollars in Western counternarcotics aid has yet to make a major impact in Afghanistan, which last year produced nearly 90 percent of the world's opium - enough to make about 450 tons of heroin. Officials say the trade is fueling the Taliban-led insurgency wracking the south of the country.

Colombia has used aerial spraying of herbicides in its U.S.-backed war to destroy coca crops, an approach rejected so far in Afghanistan because of strong domestic opposition due to the impact it could have on the struggling rural economy.


In plain sight.....as is the fashion.

8/01/2006 10:47:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Shrubageddon,
I do understand the pessimism; I feel it in me bones, even. But fixing things would not be wholly dependent on the Black Ops Magic Pill Technology to which I constantly allude. That guy Hanson (I believe) who is or was head of NASA's climate division has made specific statements regarding the reversal of the greenhouse gas emissions which play such a huge role in what's happening--his suggestions are relatively minor in terms of impact on industry and yet quite significant in their potential effect. Oft forgotten, Jack Herer's Hemp Revolution also entails specifics for land reclamation through massive hemp planting, which is going to be important very soon in South America, as Jeff linked, and hey, can you think of a better revolution to fight in than that? There are many other conventional remedies which if only implimented could bring about large scale change right here and now.

In the end, it all gets back to stopping the madness in order to get on a new track. We're not going to be able to impliment Kyoto II or cover every available acre with the sticky buds of renewal until we come together and throw off the stinking mantle of the dispossessed, and that ain't gonna happen until the dissonance reaches a shattering crescendo, but we are making some noise, are we not?

Not that we should pin our hopes for turning around the enviro disaster on the BOMPT, but it would obviously help things along quite a bit. To me, this stuff must exist because they're still publicly wallowing around in the muck of Cheney's Energy Task Force with no alternative source intiative to speak of. They know the shit's running out, and have known for decades, which means they're either suicidal or they've already got the answers. They just won't release them because they are far too egalitarian, liberating, even. And that's not who they do liberation (see Iraq). Again and however, we don't really need that stuff--we really need to just pump up the noise, wake up the stooges, and make plans that shine with the light of human-interest (as opposed to self-interest).

8/01/2006 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Richard said...

I know, i know, i said I'd disappear but this is just too damn funny & I didn't know anyone who would appreciate it like you guys.

This from an interview with the head of the Cult of Cthulu, Darrick Dishaw, aka Venger Satanis:

Ed: How does one join the Cult of Cthulhu?

DD: On the cult’s website: www.CultofCthulhu.net , there are instructions on how to join. Right now, all you have to do is fill out an application and mail it in with a $30 money order. This is the discounted rate, basically the price for 2 people going to dinner for an evening. I wanted to initially keep it very low for those who have supported the Cult of Cthulhu since the beginning. In 2007, the lifetime membership will go to $50. This cost pays for the System of Dark Occult Science, the annual Cult of Cthulhu newsletter, and for the time and money it costs to run the organization itself, the website, etc.

Ed: What is the aim of your Cult? What are your goals?

DD: Our goals are to bring the Old Ones back. To awaken the Ancient Things from outside of space and time. And also to awaken them inside ourselves.

The Cult of Cthulhu believes strongly in bettering one's life; making real life changes that affect the magician and those close to him.

And eventually, of course, we want to destroy "reality" and take over the world.



So, the Cthulhu boys have dues & applications & newsletters...can a picnic be far behind?
Maybe funny little octopoid fezs for their bald little pates.
For an even bigger laugh, go here for a picture of ol' Venger Satanis, or, more appropriately, Darren Dipshit. http://www.cultofcthulhu.net/cthulhu-1a.htm
I can see why he wants to "destroy reality" since reality is where his weeniness is in full flower. Although entrusting a guy who doesn't look like he could hack into his own sock drawer to "awaken the Great Old Ones" might be a bit of a stretch, don't ya think?

I'd ramble on some more but I feel myself slowly fading away........................

8/01/2006 11:04:00 AM  
Anonymous jules said...

Shrubster

"the fact that so many choose to ignore the FACT that the earth can no longer sustain us given current population trends and consumption habits, "


Nearly 10 years ago a mate of mine, originally from germany, in fact I think his dad was a Nazi. And although he is Very German, he is no nazi...

Told me how fucked it was in germany by the 80s. How the Heidleberg Uni nuke reactor had been leaking into the Rhine, or whatever river its on.

He said he'd be happy if his youngest kid had a good life to 25 before it all went to shit.

I honestly didn't think we'd last this long 20 years ago.

But

What do you want us to do. Run around screaming the sky is falling? (I am into chemtrails so I already do that anyway).

Personally I don't think its as bad as it seems, but its not far off it. And buying into this its all going to end arggggh shit is pointless. I have probably planted half a million trees in my life, probably millions actually. we used to do 2 to 3000 a day.

If I thought they would be dead and wasted in 50 years time I dunno if I could have done it. Even if its true. What would be the point of trying to build this Joe cell, or even seeing if its very odd, and possibly Orgone induced effects on surrounding vegetaion are actually real or a bizarre coincidence?

Or getting up in the morning or speaking self indulgent shit on this blog.

seriously i understand where you are coming from, but sometimes its more important to ignore the odds put your head down and just keep pushing till you drop. Cos you might find you don't drop, the other thing does.

I just don't buy this "its all over" bullshit. Tell me that when I am dead.

The lifeforce is strong where I live and if there is anything in me that has the power I refuse to see it die. I believe in magic and don't give a shit if I am deluded to do so, because it works so Im not. And even if we have been living through the 5th or 6th (or probably 3rd) greatest extinction event in earths current life cycle, for the last 10 years in case you hadn't noticed, I don't give a shit about that either. (Well I do, it makes me mad, makes we weep and makes me more determined to see things through. And to help hold together that of it we can.)

If it is as bad as you think, why not just party till you drop ala "Smoke em if you got em"?

I mean what are you gonna do?

My mum was also a biology teacher. For as long as I can remember I have been aware of the fluctuations of populations in regard to resources. How a boom follows a good season and an overpopulation underesource related die off follows.

You don't need to be a devotee of the georgia guidestones to see that the shit is on its way to the fan and it won't miss. You just need half a brain. you use the other half to figure out how to dodge as much of the shit as possible.

I don't think it'll be extinction just yet. nature is insanely resiliant, and as long as nature is there humans will find a way to inhabit it. Its happened before and will happen again. there might only be a few million of us left, but we will survive.

I think it was Jello that first said give me conveinience or give me death. The time for conveinience is drawing to a close.

Then again the vast majority of humanity don't overconsume. they suffer because of the overconsumption of a few.

Maybe it is fitting that an obese bloated culture gets snagged on its own corpulence and gets its helpless eyes picked out by the crows and its voluminous belly and guts eaten by wild dogs and giant rats.

I guess that would serve it right for being a self centred egotistical wank of a way of life that takes meaning and pisses it up against the wall. Then rolls in it.

Like the mangy dog it is.

Anyway after that rant, I hope you (and your family) are doing well. If you are worried for your kids, and whatever chance they may have. Move somewhere there is at least a mountain range and 100 miles between you and the nearesy city. And be prepared.

Society as we know it will go before Mum gives up on us.

And enjoy the bloggerverse while it lasts, cos it may not be there once suiciety goes. the only people you'll get to talk to then are the ones who can hear you.

Unless we get this "Free" energy thing going.

Wow Richard you're back.

8/01/2006 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous jules said...

Richard isn't that website a pisstake?

maybe I'm thinking of another one. That guy should probably change his name to Dipshit, if he is serious. Venger satanis, get real. Frater Oldmoneybabyfucker i might believe.

Oh well nice to see you are still alive and all.

Oh yeah IC.

Since I'm quoting jello tonight.

Jello:"Plant more Pot"

Rest of the world: Hmm ok you've convinced us.

if only ...

8/01/2006 11:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3283720,00.html

Yesha Rabbinical Council: During time of war, enemy has no innocents

The Yesha Rabbinical Council announced in response to an IDF attack in Kfar Qanna that "according to Jewish law, during a time of battle and war, there is no such term as 'innocents' of the enemy."


All of the discussions on Christian morality are weakening the spirit of the army and the nation and are costing us in the blood of our soldiers and civilians," the statement said. (Efrat Weiss)

8/01/2006 11:39:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

For those of you who have not been pressed, depressed, compressed or repressed quite enough by the subject of 911, please be advised that

C-SPAN will be airing the Webster Tarpley et al debate on 911 tonight at 6:10 PM EST.

It is Tarpley's opinion that this fourth installment of the same debate is a sea change. If the numbers total 30 million viewers, the government will be exorcised or is that excoriated.

My use of "pressed" above is a military term. I am looking more at the effect of 911 which is the "suppression of freedom" of free thinking and free space. The lies and BIGGER LIES are not cosmetic. They are endemic. No area of human enterprise allows for freedom if it challenges the established order. I choose. I choose the free thinkers in every discipline..

Psychology..Abraham Maslow

Physics... Flaws in Classical EM Theory
1. Eliminates the Internal EM Inside the
Scalar Potential.

2. No Definition of Electrical Charge or
of Scalar Potential.

3. Equations Still Assume Material Ether
Per Maxwell (Unchanged).

4. Use of Force Fields in Vacuum is False
(and Known to be So).

5. Treats Charge q as Unitary Instead of
Coupled System q=ø(q)m(q).

6. Confuses Massless Potential Gradients
as Forces

7. Does Not Utilize Mass as a Component
of Force

8. Erroneously Assumes EM Force Field as
Primary Causes.

9. Topology of EM Model Has Been Substantially
Reduced.

10. Does Not Include Quantum Potential or Action
at a Distance.

11. Does Not Include Superluminal Velocity of Inner
EM Components.

12. Does Not Utilize Extended Near-Field Coulomb
Gauge Effects.

13. Does Not Include EM Generatrix Mechanism
For Time Flow.

14. Does Not Unify Photon and Wave Aspects
(Requires 7-D Model).

15. Does Not Include Electron Spin and Precession


16. Treats EM Energy As Existing in "Chunks,"
Instead of as Flow.

17. Confuses Energy and Energy Collection
(See #16).

18. Discards Half of Every EM Wave in Vacuum
(See #22).

19. Erroneously Uses Transverse Vacuum Wave;
It's Quasi-Longitudinal.

20. Arbitrarily Regauges Maxwell's Equations to
Eliminate Overunity Maxwellian Systems.

21. Omits Phase Conjugate Optics Effects
(Which are the Rule in Internal EM).

22. Does Not Include EM Cause of Newtonian
Reaction Force.

23. Erroneously Assumes Separate Force Acting
on Separate Mass.

24. Confuses Detected Electron Precession Waves
as Proving Transverse EM Waves in Vacuum
(Remnant of Old "EM Fluid" Concept).

25. Due to Error in String Wave, Omits the
Ubiquitous Antiwave.

26. Assumes Equilibrium; Not True Unless Include
Vacuum Interactions.

27. Higher Toplogy Required, to Model
Electromagnetic Reality.

28. Lorentz surface integration discards Poynting
energy transport.

29. Has nothing at all to say about form of
EM entities in massless space.

30. Eliminates the infolded general relativity using
EM-force as curve agent.

31. Does not include longitudinal EM wave phase
conjugate pairs as time domain oscillations.

32. Does not include EM mechanism that generates
time flow and flow rate.

33. Does not include time-excitation charging
and decay.

34. Does not include time-reversal zones.



@ T.E.BEARDEN 1999N



Journalism .... Marshall McLuhan (Libraries Without Shelves 1979..suppressed by Bowker Books)

Literature....W.B. Yeats "A Vision" FIRST edition

Science...Nikola Tesla...www.cygnid.com

Geology...Zeolite could solve all the world's polution problems including nuclear waste.

Meteorology and Climatology..What's up with these chemtrails?

Astronomy...http://www.thunderbolts.info/

This circuit is closed.

8/01/2006 11:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did it ever occur to anyone that by poisoning our earth with toxins we are actually CREATING the wars the sickness and violence that plague us. In other words there is a direct cause and effect between the health and well being of the planet and the psychological and social health of humans and animals. The planet is a living being and we are giving it cancer. As parasites on the earth we will eventually be affected by that cancer.

8/01/2006 12:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Thanks for the comments, Jules. Don't worry......I'm keeping my head up....and continuing to forge ahead......I just like to scream "I'm Mad As Hell And I'm Not Goping To Take It Anymore" every now and then before I return to my regularly scheduled programming.

Thank you also, Irie, for your comments. Eevry now and then I like to sit my daughter, Armageddon, on my lap and sing her Lullabies about the Abyss. After she falls asleep, I put her back in her cageless cage, where she belongs.

Richard,

I'm glad you're back. I missed you. In fact, I almost posted something to that effect a couple of days prior.

Isn't Destroying Reality like conducting a War On Terrorism?

8/01/2006 12:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why doesn't anyone answer me?

8/01/2006 12:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Anonymous said...
Why doesn't anyone answer me?

12:48 PM


I believe it is a self-feeding loop......one emboldens the other, so to speak.

However, I think the reason the spiral is tightening, as Lupo says, is because we are programmed to self-destruct, as a species.

Can't you just smell it.....it's a lot like Napalm in the morning....but much more pungent and potent?

I wish one of the other Anons (there are so many, I can't keep track of you all) would answer my question.

8/01/2006 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Hey guys!
Sorry to butt my head in so soon again, but I was just lapping up Sounder's latest philosophical dish at his blog (http://guerrillaontology.blogspot.com/) and his discussion of the known unknowns triggered a funny recollection which seemed oddly relevant to the flavor of recent conversations here. An old Kumpel of mine in Deutschland who, like many of his ilk, learned his English by emulating Randall Patrick McMurphy in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, and who always keeps a sharp eye on Gonzo Americanisms, sent me some months back the following Slate article:

The Poetry of D.H. Rumsfeld
Recent works by the secretary of defense.
By Hart Seely
Posted Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 1:03 PM ET

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is an accomplished man. Not only is he guiding the war in Iraq, he has been a pilot, a congressman, an ambassador, a businessman, and a civil servant. But few Americans know that he is also a poet.
Until now, the secretary's poetry has found only a small and skeptical audience: the Pentagon press corps. Every day, Rumsfeld regales reporters with his jazzy, impromptu riffs. Few of them seem to appreciate it.

But we should all be listening. Rumsfeld's poetry is paradoxical: It uses playful language to address the most somber subjects: war, terrorism, mortality. Much of it is about indirection and evasion: He never faces his subjects head on but weaves away, letting inversions and repetitions confuse and beguile. His work, with its dedication to the fractured rhythms of the plainspoken vernacular, is reminiscent of William Carlos Williams'. Some readers may find that Rumsfeld's gift for offhand, quotidian pronouncements is as entrancing as Frank O'Hara's.

And so Slate has compiled a collection of Rumsfeld's poems, bringing them to a wider public for the first time. The poems that follow are the exact words of the defense secretary, as taken from the official transcripts on the Defense Department Web site.

The Unknown
As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don't know
We don't know.
—Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing

Glass Box
You know, it's the old glass box at the—
At the gas station,
Where you're using those little things
Trying to pick up the prize,
And you can't find it.
It's—

And it's all these arms are going down in there,
And so you keep dropping it
And picking it up again and moving it,
But—

Some of you are probably too young to remember those—
Those glass boxes,
But—

But they used to have them
At all the gas stations
When I was a kid.
—Dec. 6, 2001, Department of Defense news briefing

A Confession
Once in a while,
I'm standing here, doing something.
And I think,
"What in the world am I doing here?"
It's a big surprise.
—May 16, 2001, interview with the New York Times

Happenings
You're going to be told lots of things.
You get told things every day that don't happen.

It doesn't seem to bother people, they don't—
It's printed in the press.
The world thinks all these things happen.
They never happened.

Everyone's so eager to get the story
Before in fact the story's there
That the world is constantly being fed
Things that haven't happened.

All I can tell you is,
It hasn't happened.
It's going to happen.
—Feb. 28, 2003, Department of Defense briefing

The Digital Revolution
Oh my goodness gracious,
What you can buy off the Internet
In terms of overhead photography!

A trained ape can know an awful lot
Of what is going on in this world,
Just by punching on his mouse
For a relatively modest cost!
—June 9, 2001, following European trip

The Situation
Things will not be necessarily continuous.
The fact that they are something other than perfectly continuous
Ought not to be characterized as a pause.
There will be some things that people will see.
There will be some things that people won't see.
And life goes on.
—Oct. 12, 2001, Department of Defense news briefing

Clarity
I think what you'll find,
I think what you'll find is,
Whatever it is we do substantively,
There will be near-perfect clarity
As to what it is.

And it will be known,
And it will be known to the Congress,
And it will be known to you,
Probably before we decide it,
But it will be known.
—Feb. 28, 2003, Department of Defense briefing

If only we here at Rigorous could harness the kind of untrammeled vision and, well, clarity of D.H. Rumsfeld...imagine the dizzying heights to which we might aspire.
(Thanks for bringing that all back to me, Sounder)

8/01/2006 01:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

So, which of the following statements is true:

A.) What We Don't Know We Don't Know Can't Hurt Them.

B.) What We Don't Know We Don't Know Can Hurt Them.

C.) It Doesn't Matter Either Way, So You Might As Well Fix Yourself A Grilled Peanut Butter & Jelly Sandwich With Bologna, Bananas, Bacon and Pickles, pull up a lawn chair, sit back and enjoy the Apocalypse.

D.) I'm An Eggplant. None Of This Makes Sense, So I Can't Choose.

E.) I Want My Mommy.

F.) All Of The Above

G.) Where Am I?

H.) None Of The Above

I.) Jello Pudding Pops

J.) Ooh Aahh Magic Bus

K.) Squeeze Me

L.) And I Will Become Maryanne

M.) We're Here To Help You

N.) I Have To Go Before I Get In Trouble

8/01/2006 01:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

So, back to the Columbians training the Afganis on how to manage their drug trade......isn't that analogous to Woody Allen conducting Foster Parent Training Seminars?

8/01/2006 01:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Ben.....I have One Word For You, Ben........I Have One Word....Ben

SULPHUR

8/01/2006 02:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Raul said...

The answer is I--as it always is.

And Shrub, you are now the Official Chef-in-Chief of RI, or Chef Shrub for short.

8/01/2006 02:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It is known to sources inside and outside Washington D.C. that Mel Gibson has previously expressed interest in subject matter positively confirming the identiy of Jeff Gannon. Jeff Gannon did infiltrate the White House for two years and did compromise the presidency of George W. Bush. The story of Gannon's unbridled Whitehouse access was effectively surpressed by the mainstream media.



It has been leaked to the FBI that an individual (a female) with a personal relationship to Jeff Gannon and Noreen Gosch can positively ID Gannon as Johnny Gosch and wants to go public with her story. It is also known that she is a traditional Roman Catholic who would most likely want to give the story to Mel Gibson."

8/01/2006 02:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Yeah......Mel's coming out with another movie in '07 called Gannon: The Passion Of The Bulldog.

It should be a Fundy Favorite.

8/01/2006 02:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Paul H. O'Neill was sworn in as the 72nd Secretary of the Treasury on January 20, 2001.

O'Neill was chairman and CEO of Alcoa from 1987 to 1999, and retired as chairman at the end of 2000.


Aluminum Depositories

Chemtrails

Coincidence?

8/01/2006 02:40:00 PM  
Blogger AJ said...

I heard it a bit differently Shrub-

Mel's out, CBN and New Line Productions are in. The gory details of Bulldog notwithstanding,
they reportedly had differences of opinions on whether to call it

"Christian spherical Influences in Today's White House",

or Saul's more eloquent,

" From light to dark and back again."

8/01/2006 02:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The mulberry eater is back for a visit. (Now the season here has changed from mulberries to plums. It's a treat to be able to eat fruits right off the trees.) I've been reading here, just not posting much.

Marshall McLuhan's Libraries Without Shelves is certainly hard to find. Even the library didn't think I could get it through inter-library loan. What is the story behind the book?

8/01/2006 02:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

Ok. I'll admit that I've fallen into the 'pessimistic whiner' category far too often with my comments here as of late. It's easy to get carried away while venting your frustration, and forget that the reason you started ranting in the first place is that you can see the possibility for positive change, but can't seem to get anyone to hear you (that isn't already singing the same tune).

Regarding the tightening spiral, I don't really believe that the program we're running (or, rather, that has been running us) is necessarily inherent to the species. I see it as a sort of parasitic organism that has sucessfully exploited our survival instincts in order to perpetuate itself.

Anyway, blah blah blah. I feel like what I want to say would take more time than I have to put together, and more space to post that it warrants, so I'll leave it at that for now.

8/01/2006 02:56:00 PM  
Blogger AJ said...

Anony, is that you?
What are you doing here?
You should be taking care of your customers-

I'm sure some of them would enjoy fries with their meals.

8/01/2006 02:57:00 PM  
Anonymous rosepetal said...

I have always thought that Jeff Gannon was Johnny Gosch

8/01/2006 03:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Sorry, Nemo, but you need to be a bit more scholarly and objective when researching your History.

http://www.truthbeknown.com/josephus.htm

Despite the best wishes of sincere believers and the erroneous claims of truculent apologists, the Testimonium Flavianum has been demonstrated continually over the centuries to be a forgery, likely interpolated by Catholic Church historian Eusebius in the fourth century. So thorough and universal has been this debunking that very few scholars of repute continued to cite the passage after the turn of the 19th century. Indeed, the TF was rarely mentioned, except to note that it was a forgery, and numerous books by a variety of authorities over a period of 200 or so years basically took it for granted that the Testimonium Flavianum in its entirety was spurious, an interpolation and a forgery. As Dr. Gordon Stein relates:

"...the vast majority of scholars since the early 1800s have said that this quotation is not by Josephus, but rather is a later Christian insertion in his works. In other words, it is a forgery, rejected by scholars."

So well understood was this fact of forgery that these numerous authorities did not spend their precious time and space rehashing the arguments against the TF's authenticity. Nevertheless, in the past few decades apologists of questionable integrity and credibility have glommed onto the TF, because this short and dubious passage represents the most "concrete" secular, non-biblical reference to a man who purportedly shook up the world. In spite of the past debunking, the debate is currently confined to those who think the TF was original to Josephus but was Christianized, and those who credulously and self-servingly accept it as "genuine" in its entirety.


Josephus is not historical proof that a The Christ walked the earth.

8/01/2006 03:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Hi Shrub,

You said:
"Hmmmm.....what a convenient distraction from the daily Israeli Atrocities.

We bring you, none other than the venerable Mel Gibson and, of course, Anti-Semitism.

Take Your Eye Off The Ball, Please.

Coincidence? Maybe....then again, maybe not."

Don't know if it truly is a planned distraction or not, but Mel drunkenly rambling about the "Fucking Jews" while his next project is a film on the bloody Holocaust fer Christ's sake is, you have to admit. just a wee bit hilarious. You couldn't possibly write satire better than reality.

& hi to Jules too.

You said, "Maybe it is fitting that an obese bloated culture gets snagged on its own corpulence and gets its helpless eyes picked out by the crows and its voluminous belly and guts eaten by wild dogs and giant rats.

I guess that would serve it right for being a self centred egotistical wank of a way of life that takes meaning and pisses it up against the wall. Then rolls in it.

Like the mangy dog it is."

Bravo. Encore.

2 questions for you:
I have a 54 year brother who is planning on retiring soon & he has it in his head that he wants to spend the remainder of his days in Australia. His plan involves buying an RV there & then disappearing into the outback.

1. Is this just a romanticised notion of Australian wilderness?
2. Or is this suicide?

Watched a bit of the C-SPAN 911 panel thing hosted by Alex Jones.

Now call me a nitpicker, but Steven Jones evidence is a tiny piece of metal some lady cleaned off a girder & then supposedly stuck in a bucket for a year?

Yeah, I could see that little scenario holding up in court.

& Lt. Col. Bob Bowman....wow....he may be perfectly legitimate & totally sincere, but that "I'm obviously running for office" spiel he uses doesn't do much except make me want to fast forward passed anything he has to say.

Sorry.

Finally, there is much discussion here about who is legitimate & who is an intelligence shill, about who cares about America & who doesn't...

I think I've found the answer.

A few weeks back a few co-workers of mine were watching the Jamboree in the Hills on a West Virginia TV station. The Jamboree is a yearly country music event held in Ohio. I saw one black haired cowboy hat wearing singer say, "Looking out here I see a lot of you have American flags on your trailers so I know you folks support the troops. & that's good to see. I also know you people are here to party hearty & that's what really matters."

So there, just put a flag on your trailer & drink yourself unconscious & a good American you will be.

It's really quite simple, isn't it?

8/01/2006 03:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Richard said...
Hi Shrub,

Don't know if it truly is a planned distraction or not,.....


Yeah, I'm not sure, either, but the timing is uncanny, and I felt it only appropriate to throw Hugh Manatee Wins some Chum.


....but Mel drunkenly rambling about the "Fucking Jews" while his next project is a film on the bloody Holocaust fer Christ's sake is, you have to admit. just a wee bit hilarious. You couldn't possibly write satire better than reality.

Oh, I agree. It's a Satire within a Satire within a Satire.....or, in otherwords, Integrals of Satire. There's an equation for it, I'm certain. The solution to that equation is that it's one big freakin cosmic joke, of which we're the butt.

8/01/2006 04:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"but Mel drunkenly rambling about the "Fucking Jews" while his next project is a film on the bloody Holocaust fer Christ's sake is, you have to admit. just a wee bit hilarious. You couldn't possibly write satire better than reality."

If there's any truth to that thing about Gannon/Gosch/Gibson Mrs. Gosch should be able to verify. It says the person knows them both.

Jeff do have contact info for Noreen Gosch?

8/01/2006 04:42:00 PM  
Anonymous therethere said...

Jeff's "Violent Bear It Away" topic has generated a firestorm on Daily Kos.

I hate to alert this because I was banned from Kos over the weekend, for doing nothing more than giving a "recommend" rating to somebody else's "illegal" diary promoting the C-Span 9/11 Truth show.

Apparently, over at Kos, discussing 9/11 theories is verboten. Apparently worse is to vocally support such verbotenness.

Here is the link for Jeff's Kos firestorm:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/7/31/204441/754

8/01/2006 04:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Madame Chiang Kai Shek said...

I thought the Gannon/Gosch connection was debunked by someone who found Gannon's high school yearbook. Didn't I read about that here at RI???

8/01/2006 04:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Shrub, you said:
"There's an equation for it, I'm certain."

Would that be E=URF'd?

There's always the 'drink oneself unconscious'
strategy I mentioned.

BTW, your Josephus debunking was spot on. i don't think that there's any 1st hand accounts of anyone named Jesus that exist outside the New Testament.
Of course, there's a handful of 2nd century references to "Christ," but thy're too late to be of much value.
The silence of Paul is also a problem. Paul never met Jesus & never quoted the biblical Jesus even when it would have suited his purposes. The "Christ" in Paul's epistles is mainly a supernatural figure, not a flesh & blood man of history.
Of course, there's Suetonius' brief 2nd century mention of "Chrestus" that some use as proof. But Suetonius also said that Ceasar Augustus bodily ascended into heaven when he died so I wouldn't consider him as being particularly reliable.
Then you have the pagan parallels with Dionysus, Osiris, Adonis, Attis, & Mithra, etc.
Christianity seems to be little different from the pagan sources it later demonized.
Some early Christians even admitted as much. Justin Martyr said, " When we say that the Word, who is the first born of God, was produced without sexual union, and that he, Jesus Christ, our teacher was crucified and died, and rose again and ascended into heaven; we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter."

8/01/2006 05:00:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Marshall McLuhan's Libraries Without Shelves is certainly hard to find. Even the library didn't think I could get it through inter-library loan. What is the story behind the book?

Check the date for MM's last book and then check the date for his inability to speak or write.

My personal experience with Marshall Mcluhan was "auditing" his lectures at U of T while attending Honour's Journalism at UWO. I sat at his feet and listened to his late Monday night lectures then "hitchhiked" back to London to attend lectures in Journalism that did not meet my outoftowner expectations.

McLuhan had been working on the book Libraries without Shelves even in the time period 1974-75 when I attended his lectures. He had a stroke in 1979 which disabled him from writing but the book had a co-author and was "purchased" by Bowker which in library circles, is the worldwide source for all publications in all English speaking libraries. Bowker has published their 1980 compendium which included "Libraries Without Shelves" as one of the "Bowker Books".
By 1982,Bowker had delisted "Libraries.." from it's compendium. This edition (1980) is also not available as the compendium is reprinted and the old copies...well, ..into the ether..

8/01/2006 05:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I thought the Gannon/Gosch connection was debunked by someone who found Gannon's high school yearbook. Didn't I read about that here at RI???"

It's never been debunked - still haning out there. Ms. Gosch just won't state one way or the other because she has no DNA test.

If this person really exists that would be an interesting twist.

8/01/2006 06:01:00 PM  
Blogger AJ said...

If Anony is still poaching this site, I thought I might share this:


What if Nixon had continued to defy the SCOTUS order to turn over the tapes? What if Nixon just kept saying, "nope, you can't have them."?

Just who would have enforced the Supreme's decision?

When I ask my students this question, I get the usual answers:

The FBI. Nope they work for the president.
The Attorney General? Nope they work for the president.
The military? Nope, the president is the commander-in-chief.
The Washington D.C. police? Nope, not their jurisdiction.

The answer is, no one knows what would have happened.
An existential choice is forced upon us. Bush told us that we were either for his regime or we were for the "evil doers". I see a different paradigm: either we are for freedom or we are for Bush. Bush is spoiling for a Constitutional showdown that will force the issue and consolidate a dictatorship beyond the ability of Americans to change –short of violent revolution.
http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/

Brilliant

8/01/2006 06:31:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

Much of this thread reminds me of a Mullah Nasruddin story:

For some reason or other, the local ruler had condemned Nasruddin to death -- but had then relented to the extent of agreeing that the sentence would be lifted if within ten years Nasruddin could teach a donkey to talk.

When Nasruddin's friends asked him why he had agreed to such a hopeless bargain, he answered, "A lot of things could happen in ten years. Perhaps the king will die. Perhaps I will die. Or, who knows, maybe the donkey will start talking."

If, as some of the posters here believe, we're all under a death sentence, then why not devote ourselves to teaching the donkey to talk?

8/01/2006 07:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice one, Star. But try as we might, donkeys won't talk. At least not the four-legged variety. Better try a better approach. That comment, and this blog, remind me of another Mullah Nasruddin story:

A man walking down a Damascus souk in the evening comes upon Nasruddin bent over on the ground, crawling around on his hands and knees, apparently searching for something in the light of a nearby torch.

The man asks Nasruddin, "Did you lose something?"

"Yes," Nasruddin replies. "The key to my house. Will you help me look for it?"

"All right," says the man. "Where did you lose it?"

"Over there, across the way, by my front door," Nasruddin points down the alley.

"Then why are you looking for it over here?" the man asks.

"Well, can't you see? Look..." Nasrudding points up at the torchiere, "the light is so much better over here."

8/01/2006 07:54:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Shrub said;
If Jeff's post is not disheartening enough, the fact that so many choose to ignore the FACT that the earth can no longer sustain us given current population trends and consumption habits, further reinforces my point that extinction is knocking at our door....and it's about to kick it in.

If a particular if-then statement produces an untenable result, then the ‘if’ part of the statement will change.

I am a simple person. I like loud rock and roll. If the singer is a whiner then it is not rock and roll.


Luposapian said;
Regarding the tightening spiral, I don't really believe that the program we're running (or, rather, that has been running us) is necessarily inherent to the species. I see it as a sort of parasitic organism that has successfully exploited our survival instincts in order to perpetuate itself.

You are right Lupo, all this stuff; a result of human habit rather than human nature. So the question becomes, what is it that has embedded these habits so deeply within our psyches?

And thanks Irie, for doing something more than simply agreeing with me. I mean the Rumsfeld poetry, not the mention or link.

8/01/2006 08:07:00 PM  
Anonymous jules said...

Mullah Nasrudin used to be a smuggler. When people asked what he did, he'd reply smuggler, he even wrote it on his tax return.

Every day he'd cross the border with his donkey and a load of straw.

Every morning he and the donkey would be searched. Every nitght he'd cross back and the same thing would happen. this went on for um ... donkeys years. then he retired. he was sitting at the teahouse when his old nemesis the boder guard (also retired) stopped in. They shared a brew and reminisced about the old days.

The border guard said:

"You weren't really a smauggler you were just joking wern't you."

Nassy said "No I actually was."

"Ok how come we never found anything. What were you smuggling then?"

"Donkeys"

About your brother Rich.

Perhaps there are worse ways to die than spending the last 30 years or so of your life cruising around out back.

I reckon he should do it. We have a phenomonen here - Grey Nomads.

People who retire sell up everything but a 4WD and a caravan, or an RV and spend the rest of their lives driving around out back.

Even the bloke who married me and the missus just sold his 15 acres of permaculture paradise to do exactly that.

However with petrol prices going the way they are.... Its very expensive these days.

But the subculture is there. Grey Nomads. And they flock together too. Your bro could do a lot worse than join em.

Its not all Wolf Creek down here, and that only applies to backpackers anyway. (I think our local serial killer just feeds on junkies from nimbin. If he or she exists. The evidence is starting to stack up tho.)

8/01/2006 08:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

why not devote ourselves to teaching the donkey to talk?

I have taught my Donkey to talk.....and you know what it says?

That's right.....it says YOU'RE FUCKED!!!

8/01/2006 08:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

UN humanitarian chief blasts Hizbullah
By ASSOCIATED PRESS

The UN humanitarian chief Jan Egeland accused Hizbullah of "cowardly blending" among Lebanese civilians and causing the deaths of hundreds during two weeks of cross-border violence with Israel.
Jan Egeland spoke with reporters at the Larnaca airport in Cyprus late Monday after a visit to Lebanon on his mission to coordinate an international aid effort. On Sunday he had toured the rubble of Beirut's southern suburbs, a once-teeming Shi'ite district where Hizbullah had its headquarters:
"Consistently, from the Hizbullah heartland, my message was that Hizbullah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women and children," he said. "I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I don't think anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead than armed men."
___________________________________________________________________________
Hezbollah's human shields
TODAY'S EDITORIAL
Washington Times
July 30, 2006

Hezbollah's treatment of both Israeli and Lebanese civilians violates international law. Article 51 of the Additional Protocol to the Geneva Convention states that: "The civilian population as such, as well as individual civilians, shall not be the subject of attack." Moreover, by using Lebanese civilians as human shields, Hezbollah appears to be violating Article 58 of Protocol 1, which requires parties to a conflict to "Avoid locating military objectives within or near densely populated areas." Article 28 of the Fourth Geneva Convention states: "The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations."

History of Hezbullah’s crimes against humanity:

1983 In April, kills 63 with a suicide bomb at the US Embassy in Beirut. In October, carries out another suicide bombing that kills 241 US Marines in their Beirut barracks.
1985 Hijacks TWA Flight 847
1992 Bombs the Israeli Embassy in Argentina, killing 29.
1994 Bombs a Jewish community center in Argentina, killing 95.

Islamofascsit organization Hezbullah must be exterminated.

Mark Bernadiner
Texas

8/01/2006 08:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Hey Mark,

Why Bernadiner when you can Torchamosk?

Have you met Mojo? If not, AJ will introduce you.

Cheers,

Shrubageddon

8/01/2006 08:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Even the bloke who married me and the missus just sold his 15 acres of permaculture paradise to do exactly that"

you and the missus married another bloke
well i never! ...you kinky aussies

8/01/2006 08:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

You are right Lupo, all this stuff; a result of human habit rather than human nature. So the question becomes, what is it that has embedded these habits so deeply within our psyches?

Let's make it multiple choice, shall we?

A.) The Rothschilds

B.) The Jews

C.) The Illuminati

D.) The Freemasons

E.) The Jesuits

F.) The Zionists

G.) The Roman Catholic Church

H.) Satan

I.) Madonna

J.) Bill Cosby

K.) All Of The Above

L.) Nature Has A Way Of Bouncing Back

M.) None Of The Above

N.) Allow Yourself To Entertain The Notion That Self-Annihilation Is Our Destiny.

O.) If I Drink Myself Unconscious, I'll Miss The Show.

P.) When Governments Become Unstable And Topple, What Kind Of Plan Do you Prepare To Fill The Power Vacuum Created In Its Wake?

8/01/2006 09:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Thanks Jules, you've set my mind at ease.
Although, maybe I should qualify things by saying my bro is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of shape. Not only is he overweight, but he's spent his whole adult life working at this nasty chemical plant. I made it 5 years there before I bailed, he stayed. He has emphysema amongst other health problems.

On the positive side, i made him a bet a few months back that if I'd toss the smokes overboard he'd get his fat ass on a treadmill.
I did & so far the boys lost 42 pounds & I actually caught the lazy fuck running on his treadmill.

Wasn't actually thinking serial killer. I had to look up your Wolf Creek reference. There are huge chunks of pop culture I'm blissfully unaware of.

But again, thanks Jules. I like that whole grey nomads thing. Sounds way cool. If there is a world when I retire I may give that some thought myself.

8/01/2006 09:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1983 In April, kills 63 with a suicide bomb at the US Embassy in Beirut. In October, carries out another suicide bombing that kills 241 US Marines in their Beirut barracks.
1985 Hijacks TWA Flight 847
1992 Bombs the Israeli Embassy in Argentina, killing 29.
1994 Bombs a Jewish community center in Argentina, killing 95.

Not sure about all of these events Mark, but the best evidence I have is that at least 2 of these crimes (Beirut barracks and Argentine Embassy) were carried out by;

a)(The argentinian Embassy incident) - carried out by those who hate both Jews and humanity in general, who subsequently secured the establishment of a so called "safe haven" of Israel instead - and were, in the case of the above attack determined to wreak vengeance on those Jews who see this "safe haven " as the plain lie that it is

There is a proveable precedent for this in the bombing of Jewish institutions in Iraq circa 1950 by Zionist puppets, in order to gain recruits for "the promised land"



or

b) The Beirut embassy bombing - another false flage lie in order to gain sympathy from their "allies".

Rather like the USS liberty incident.

Or was the USS liberty thing another "accident" to add to the recent litany of accidents in this current round of State terrorism by Israel in Lebanon ?

Meanwhile, tell me Mark ; what has 60 years of a "safe haven " for Israel produced for the Jews exactly ?

All Ive seen resulting is a bunch of elite making their usual fortunes from the spoils of war.

All Ive seen is a pile of death misery and destruction.

You might well be new to the internet , but please think about the above a lot now. Do some research with an open mind and heart.

That is to say more than you obviously have before posting your last nonsense.

The conclusion any honest opinion should come to is that The modern day residents of the state of Israel are little more than pawns in a far bigger game - and that the entire middle East are feeling the pain of the puppetmeisters.

Not nice, huh ?

8/01/2006 09:38:00 PM  
Blogger AJ said...

Jules' version of Grey Nomads might not be that far from reality when it hits the fan. They're not building those new & improved "immigration centers" with AC ya know.
Anyway on an aside, has anyone wondered where those 'Security Firms' are staying in New Orleans?

The Ritz Carleton on the Bayou?
Ceasers Palace, N.O.?

Nope.

Jimmy Swaggart's Evangelical Bible College & Seminary.

'Baton Rouge, La-
Blackwater's headquarters in the Katrina zone are at the World Evangelism Bible College and Seminary , where the company rents a portion of the nearly abandoned campus from it founder, Jimmy Swaggart.
The contractors refer to their headquarters as Fort Jesus or Camp God.'

And speaking about the Reverend Swaggart they say:
'Swaggart comes around once in a while...sometimes when one of our guys are out in the courtyard, he stops and talks. He likes to lecture them about smoking.'

Good thing you quit Richard.

8/01/2006 09:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

QANA, Aug 1 (IPS) - Red Cross workers and residents of Qana, where Israeli bombing killed at least 60 civilians, have told IPS that no Hezbollah rockets were launched from the city before the Israeli air strike.

The Israeli military has said it bombed the building in which several people had taken shelter, more than half of them children, because the Army had faced rocket fire from Qana. The Israeli military has said that Hezbollah was therefore responsible for the deaths.

"There were no Hezbollah rockets fired from here," 32-year-old Ali Abdel told IPS. "Anyone in this village will tell you this, because it is the truth."

Abdel had taken shelter in a nearby house when the shelter was bombed at 1 am. When the bombings finally let up in the morning, he went back to the bombed shelter to search for relatives.

He found his 70-year-old father and 64-year-old mother both dead inside.

"They bombed it, and afterwards I heard the screams of women, children, and a few men -- they were crying for help. But then one minute after the first bomb, another bomb struck, and after this there was nothing but silence, and the sound of more bombs around the village."

Masen Hashen, a 30-year-old construction worker from Qana who lost several family members in the air strike on the shelter, said there were no Hezbollah rockets fired from his village. "Because if they had done that now, or in the past, all of us would have left. Because we know we would be bombed."

Qana had been a shelter because no rockets were being fired from there, survivors said. "When Hezbollah fires their rockets, everyone runs away because they know an Israeli bombardment will come soon," Abdel said. "That is why everyone stayed in the shelter and nearby homes, because we all thought we'd be all right since there were no Hezbollah fighters in Qana."

Lebanese Red Cross workers in the nearby coastal city of Tyre told IPS that there was no basis for Israeli claims that Hezbollah had launched rockets from Qana.

"We found no evidence of Hezbollah fighters in Qana," Kassem Shaulan, a 28-year-old medic and training manager for the Red Cross in Tyre told IPS at their headquarters. "When we rescue people or recover bodies from villages, we usually see rocket launchers or Hezbollah fighters if they are there, but in Qana I can say that the village was 100 percent clear of either of those."

Another Red Cross worker, 32-year-old Mohammad Zatar, told IPS that "we can tell when Hezbollah has been firing rockets from certain areas, because all of the people run away, on foot if they have to."

While IPS was interviewing people in Qana at the site of the shelter Monday, Israeli warplanes roared overhead. Vibrations from nearby bombing rattled many buildings. At least three villages in southern Lebanon were attacked in Israeli air strikes Monday.

Following the international outcry over the air strike, Israel declared a 48-hour cessation of air strikes in order to carry out a military probe into the Qana killings.

Despite the false Israeli statement that it was halting its air strikes, Israeli Justice Minister Haim Ramon told Army Radio that the stoppage "does not signify in any way the end to the war."

Israel has rejected mounting international pressure to end the 20-day-old war against Hezbollah. The United Nations has indefinitely postponed a meeting on a new peacekeeping force for southern Lebanon.

While defending the Israeli air strike on the civilians in Qana, Israel's ambassador to the United Nations Dan Gillerman told the UN Security Council that Qana was "a hub for Hezbollah", and said that Israel had urged villagers to leave.

Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Shimon Peres said in reply to questions in New York Monday that the bombing was "totally, totally its (Hezbollah's) fault."

8/01/2006 10:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The IDF now says "there were no rocket launches from Qana on the day of the strike," according to an article in Ha'aretz today. In my opinion, this is clearly a case of collective punishment for the local populations' support of Hezbollah. Israel is flattening entire villages in their march to the Litani River and will continue to do so when the bombing resumes Wednesday. Peretz took the gloves off after the Rome conference by changing the ROE to disregard the presence of civilians in any attacks on Hezbollah.

As the Israel Air Force continues to investigate the Sunday air strike, questions have been raised over military accounts of the incident.

It now appears that the military had no information on rockets launched from the site of the building, or the presence there of Hezbollah men at the time.

The Israeli Defense Forces had said after the deadly air-strike that many rockets had been launched from Qana. However, it changed its version on Monday.

The site was included in an IAF plan to strike at several buildings in proximity to a previous launching site. Similar strikes were practiced in the past. But there were no rocket launches from Qana on the day of the strike.

It is especially disturbing that Israeli officials and spokespeople have have pounded the airwaves claiming that there were active rocket launchers in the vacinity at the time of the strike. From the NYT:

Vice Prime Minister Shimon Peres, speaking at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York, said the bombing in Qana was aimed at rocket launchers 300 yards from where the civilians were, a distance commanders considered large enough to avoid the risk of hitting them. He said Israel was investigating what had gone wrong.

Can anybody believe that Shimon Peres was purposely given misleading information by his own military intelligence?

But the country's most influential columnist, Nahum Barnea, writing in Yediot Aharonot, raised questions about Israeli tactics and leadership. Mr. Barnea wrote about the government's decision to allow the army to attack civilian houses if Hezbollah rockets and war matériel were stored inside and the population was warned in advance to leave.

In an interview, he said the policy, however justified, courted the Qana bombing, and he criticized Mr. Peretz for being "stupid enough to make it seem like a moral statement."

In his column, he said Israel had to respond to Hezbollah's attack with military action, but added, "The question is how and at what cost." He criticized Mr. Peretz for describing "proudly how he relieved the army of restrictions on harming civilian population that lives alongside Hezbollah operatives."

"I can understand accidentally harming civilians in the course of combat," he wrote. "But a blanket directive regarding the entire civilian population of southern Lebanon and the Shiite neighborhoods of Beirut is a hasty and lightheaded act, which courts disaster. We saw the outcome of this yesterday, in the bodies of the women and children that were taken out of the bombed house in Qana."

It is clear that the disinformation of the last few days was coordinated by the Israeli propaganda machine to obfuscate the moralistically bankrupt intent and strategy of the Israelis. The Qana bombing was no mistake. Period!

8/01/2006 10:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

AJ, if you've never smoked, you have no idea how goddamn hard that was.
I do find it a bit weird that Swaggart & I are on the same page though.
I used to watch the guy all the time. Not for the religious spiel though.
He was just way more entertaining than Gilligan's Island &, if you ever saw his sermons, you know that his eventual implosion was an obvious outcome. It was never a matter of if, just when.
I was a bit of a televangelist addict.
I even dragged my wife, her friend & her friend's husband into the Ernest Angely gift shop next to Rex's Erection, that huge tower near Columbus, Ohio that was built by Rex Humbard.
The true believers inside that weird little slice of Americana didn't particularly appreciate my presence or my sense of humor.
My wife & her friend were way uncomfortable & dragged me out of there. I just wanted to have some fun.
Oh well.

I still remember the 3-D cards where if you'd look at it one way it would be Ernest & if you looked at it from a different angle it would be Jesus.

Quite the creepy hoot.

8/01/2006 10:50:00 PM  
Blogger AJ said...

"The true believers inside that weird little slice of Americana didn't particularly appreciate my presence or my sense of humor."

Now you've got us all curious. What evil did you do? Quote them excerpts from Testimonium Flavianum and the Cult of Cthulu until their eyes glazed over or they called the police?
I certainly hope you remembered to buy a bible while you visited..

Seriously, congrates for quiting the smoke, and yes I know how hard it is. I still smoke. You are a better man than I and richer for it.
Well we all have our crosses to bear.

8/01/2006 11:35:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Sorry in advance for the length of this one, but speaking of televangelists, I’ve found another reason for Shrub not to drink himself into full delirium. It’s a fairly typical post from something called the Rapture Ready/End Times Chat online bulletin board, where the faithful are getting all sweaty about recent events in Lebanon as portends of the Apocalypse:

I too am soooo excited!! I get goose bumps, literally, when I watch what’s going on in the M.E.!! And Watcherboy, you were so right when saying it was quite a day yesterday, in the world news, and I add in local news here in the Boston area!! Tunnel ceiling collapsed on a car and killed a woman of faith, and we had the most terrifying storms I have ever seen here!! But, yes, oh happy day, like in your screen name , it is most indeed a time to be happy and excited, right there with ya!!

First observation: how easily are these people manipulated by their pastors/politicians/Left Behind author-leeches?

Secondly, the vibe I’m getting off these “excited” ghouls runs diametrically opposite my favorite Apocalyptic mood songs, which are:

1.) Douglass Adams’ "So Long & Thanks for All the Fish" (and remember, it’s got Don’t Panic! in reassuringly friendly letters right on the Guide…and you can even sing along):(http://www.jengajam.com/r/dolphins-so-long-thank)

So long and thanks for all the fish
So sad that it should come to this
We tried to warn you all but oh dear
You may not share our intellect
Which might explain your disrespect
For all the natural wonders that grow (around you)
So long so long and thanks for all the fish
The world’s about to be destroyed
There’s no point getting all annoyed
Lie back and let the world dissolve (around you)
Despite those nets of tuna fleets
We thought most of you were sweet
Especially tiny tots and your pregnant women

So long so long, so long so long, so long so long, so long so long
So long so long, so long so long, so long so long, so long so long
So long so long and thanks for all the fish

If I had just one last wish
I would like a tasy fish
If we could just change one thing
We would all have learnt to sing
Come one and all
Man and mammal
Side by side in life's great gene pool
So long so long, so long so long, so long so long, so long so long
So long so long, so long so long, so long so long, so long so long
So long so long and thanks for all the fish

And:

2.) The relevant sections of the Python Cantos, including such hanging-on-the-cross favorites as:

Always Look on the Bright Side of Life

Some things in life are bad,
They can really make you mad,
Other things just make you swear and curse,
When you're chewing life's gristle,
Don't grumble,
Give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best.
And...

Always look on the bright side of life.[whistle]
Always look on the light side of life.[whistle]

If life seems jolly rotten,
There's something you've forgotten,
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps,
Don't be silly chumps.
Just purse your lips and whistle.
That's the thing.
And...

Always look on the bright side of life.[whistle]
Always look on the right side of life,[whistle]

For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word.
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin.
Give the audience a grin.
Enjoy it.
It's your last chance, anyhow.
So,...

Always look on the bright side of death,[whistle]
Just before you draw your terminal breath.[whistle]

Life's a piece of shit,
When you look at it.
Life's a laugh and death's a joke it's true.
You'll see it's all a show.
Keep 'em laughing as you go.
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.
And...

Always look on the bright side of life.
Always look on the right side of life.[whistle]

And if we're not cheered up yet, we may as well toss in the cosmic “Galaxy Song”: http://www.gecdsb.on.ca/d&g/astro/music/galaxy-song.ra
And why not the charmingly topical “FCC Song"? : http://www.pythonline.com/plugs/idle/FCCSong.mp3

8/02/2006 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mounta Python says,

I like the Meaning of Life, Life of Brian, Holy Grail, etc. as well as the next bloke. Even went to the 20th anniv. re-release of Grail hosted by Cleese and Idle themselves.

But to quote this giddy humor as some kind of antidote to slathering apocalyptos who are giddily orgasmic over the ethnic cleansing of Lebanon, the horrors of white phosphorous dropped by mad killers on Qana and Beirut, well, to put it mildly, isn't that more than just a bit tasteless?

Doesn't it make you out to be little else but the flip side of the kind of inanity which you correctly, but hypocritically and smugly, criticize?

Just my ho.

8/02/2006 01:03:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Chef Schrub said;

”Okay.....I'm open to suggestions. What do you portend we do about it?”

”I will issue this caveat, however, before anything can be accomplished, a substantial number of people have to be on the same page.”
”So, how about you quit mouthing off and put your money where your mouth is, and lay your plan out for us. And don't hand me any shit about getting down on my knees and praying to God to bail our asses out cuz that ain't gonna fly, Bucko.”

Shrub, you might notice that I am a model maker, and I wonder what you may think about The New Outlook Society, or my other essays.

8/02/2006 06:02:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Actually, the absurdist defense (here in the case of the dolphins saying "adios" and the thieves & gods dying from ritual crucifixion and yet still prattling sunny sophistries) was in the face of things even more horrid than the ghoulish tittilation of the End Time losers. Sanity, horror and humor--sounds like Vonnegut to me (or the humble Brits I so irreverently suggested...what would Uncle Frank have said? Anybody remember the words to "Trouble Everyday"?)

8/02/2006 08:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Irie,

Instead of using me as a prop and prelude to a larger point, why not elaborate in decipherable lexicon just what that larger point may be.

Do you realize what the hell my moniker implies? It is the Satirical Description of what you just revealed.

George W. Bush's own personal version of Armageddon.

Sounder, I promise to read your stuff, but for now, tell me how you influence those who embrace and welcome The Rapture and Armageddon with delight? And that's just one fraction of our population. Well, at least they're not apathetic, right?

I watched the 911 Scholars' Symposium on C-SPAN last night, and a couple of things stood out. They are a fragmented bunch with differing assessments as to the Why and differing agendas as to What To Do, if anything at all. In otherwords, they are no where near on the same page.

One guy speaking from the audience towards the end mentioned that he was head of 911 Truth Movement in Phoenix and said that all this needed to be wrapped up in 2 years so that everyone, including himself, could get on with their normal lives and everything could get back to the way it was.

I think he represents a substantial percentage of the American Population when you carve out the Armageddon Cheerleaders.

I watched Tom Brokaw's Special on Global Warming the other night.....and let me tell you...what a Crock of Shit that was. He's a Giant Asshole.

He asked one of the guest Scientists if one of the solutions to the problem is to lead a more Spartan lifestyle. The Scientist tells him "not necessarily." See, according to Tom, the Greatest Generation was the only generation capable of sacrifice. The subsequent generations aren't made of the right stuff, so sacrifice is no longer requisite. Hey Tom, I have news for ya. They couldn't have been the Greatest Generation if their Progeny are a bunch of worthless, greedy, incapable lard asses. Greatest Generation, my ass.

Sacrifice is a dirty word in the Capitalist Model....at least sacrifice of material possessions. Who, me? Sacrifice? What, are you kidding? Get the hell out of here?

8/02/2006 09:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Richard,

If your Bro is trying to lose weight, and keep it off, I think The Outback is the worse thing for him.

The Coconut Fried Shrimp Appetizer is to die for, and highly addictive. He'll put that 42 back on in a week, if not sooner.

8/02/2006 09:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Oh, and another thing, and Richard, I don't want you to take this personally, because it's not intended to be, but since you put your brother out there, I will use him as a segue to a larger point. The same applies to my parents, and older siblings, and us.

Richard mentioned his Brother retiring at 55 and leading an unproductive lifestyle for there on out. Richard's brother is not alone in his aspirations about retirement. A substantial number of Americans, I dare say, the majority share the same sentiments.

I contend that this Aspirational Lifestyle is not sustainable, and it is indicative of a Culture/Society paralyzed and incapable of adaptation. Back in the day of Self-Sufficiency, people didn't just hang it up at 55 and travel The Outback, whilst drawing on their Pensions, 401k's and Social Security....all, of which, are being funded and/or supported by an ever-dwindling, and increasingly unmotivated, younger workforce.

It's a House of Cards that's about to topple.

8/02/2006 09:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Chef Shrub makes a mean Shrubalada.

The key is to get the heat just right........thermonuclear is prefarable.

Oh, and instead of Cumin and Chili Powder, I use Depleted Uranium and Sulphur.

Enjoy.

8/02/2006 10:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

"I too am soooo excited!! I get goose bumps, literally, when I watch what’s going on in the M.E.!!"

This is the kind of bullshit that comes from "Knowing the Truth".

Just to clear things up:
Anyone who is willing to kill (or gleefully let others kill in their name) over a difference in IDEOLOGY is damaged goods.

DEATH TO ALL FANATICS!!! Oh... Wait...

8/02/2006 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

For those of you that think population is a problem, consider first that 6 billion people (let's just call them people even if some of you think otherwise) all placed in Texas would each have one thousand sq. feet to occupy. The vegetarians would tell you that that is enough space for each of us to survive comfortably but since we have an entire planet that "environmentalists" are "saving" for the "future" (yeah right) then population control should be considered. Personally, I think the planet could double it's population and sustain us all. The problem is that the environment cannot support that many cars and TPTB cannot be TPTB if we don't drive them. The solution found by applying "razor" think; stop buying junk.

8/02/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

For those of you who have not yet seen this weeks edition of the Onion, you really should check it out. Theres more truthiness on that one page than your likely to find in a whole stack of NY Times.

Excerpt from Lead Story:

Bush Grants Self Permission To Grant More Power To Self

WASHINGTON, DC—In a decisive 1–0 decision Monday, President Bush voted to grant the president the constitutional power to grant himself additional powers.

"As president, I strongly believe that my first duty as president is to support and serve the president," Bush said during a televised address from the East Room of the White House shortly after signing his executive order. "I promise the American people that I will not abuse this new power, unless it becomes necessary to grant myself the power to do so at a later time."

http://www.theonion.com

"If you think this is all just a big joke, then you'll never get the punchline"
-Book of the Subgenious-

8/02/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Shrub,
I do understand your point. Not taking it personally but my brother doesn't have much of a retirement plan...his motivation for going to Australia is more along the lines of America weariness. He's just sick & tired of living here.
He chose Australia for no good reason that I'm aware of...maybe it was like choosing a plumber...go to A & pick one...I don't know.

Can't disagree with your House of Cards assessment either...but one can hope, can't one.

Otherwise there ain't much left but the shotgun barrel in the mouth with the trigger tied to the big toe as you wait for someone to tickle your foot.

I suppose we could always just follow something I read in a magazine called Adbusters:

"We, as a species, should have the courage to allow ourselves to become extinct."

From how it looks, we don't even have to allow it, it'll happen without our consent.

Fuck it.

So what.

To steal from a J.J. Cale song, "I did not make this ol' world, I'm just living here too."

C'mon, you seem like a smart guy, I'm sure you've seen this coming for a while. I'm hoping a while before the twin towers went up in smoke to be precise, yet you had kids, you didn't eat a bullet, or crouch in a clock tower with a loaded 30.06, so there must be hope buried deep down somewhere inside you.

I had a pretty decent corporate job about 16 years back....hated the fucking thing....hated the people with their smarmy kiss ass ways...jettisoned the whole thing...became human toilet paper working with MR folk. I found that I like retarded people waaaaaaaaaay better than I like normal people. They have no hidden agendas...when retarded folk are happy they give you a great big wet sloppy hug....when they're pissed they try to smash a coffee pot upside your head. Straight forward & straight up...I like that.
Normals have a whole other way of doing things. It's a way I dislike & do my best to avoid.

Anyway, our days were always numbered...circumstances just make this more apparent. We all see the clock ticking now, so use your remaining time wisely.
Go home & watch the poor man's TV...your kids...make every moment count.
How much of life do we just wander through because we think we have sooooooooooooo much time?

Time's up.

Tick-tock pal....tick fucking tock.

8/02/2006 11:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

Eee Gads: That's SubGenius. I pray for Bob's forgiveness.

8/02/2006 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous A. Magnus said...

Okay, I'm going to clarify a term used by some posters on this board: "Islamofascism."

There is no such thing as Islamic Fascism, because nothing done by the Islamists conforms to the tenets of fascism.

Fascism according to Benito Mussolini was the 'merger of state and corporate power.' Today's Islamists do not have a state in and of themselves, although there certainly are states sympathetic where their agendas converge with those of the Islamists.

What is conspicuously absent is the corporate dimension of fascism, especially in its supposed 'Islamic' personna. That's because corporations do business in ways that directly contravene Islamic norms, like the prohibition against usury and fractional reserve banking.

Some may point out to the confluence of interests between the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and the Nazis as evidence of 'cross pollenation' between Islam and Nazism. However these same people are silent about the collaboration of the Labor Zionists with the Nazis during this same period. The Zionists survived the camps far more conspicuously than their orthodox Judaic political opponents.

In other words, people who invent words like Islamofascism are not only ignorant of history but full of pro-government BS.

8/02/2006 11:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

More truthiness:

http://www.bettybowers.com/nl_july2006.html

8/02/2006 12:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reply to ericswan from the mulberry/plum eater:

1) Can you give some description of the content of McLuhan's Libraries Without Shelves, seeing as how there's almost no chance of my finding a copy?

2) About your long list of items for "alternative physics" - I would suggest also looking at David Bohm and his student Henri Bortoft. (Their books are fortunately still easily available.) They take a thoughtful look at the issue of wholeness and how science should deal with it.

Bortoft cites Goethe extensively, and gives an excellent presentation of his scientific thinking, showing how he anticipated our current problems. No, not that he invented any gadgets, but that his paradigm is now so relevant to our current situation, which is a consequence of a one-sided reliance on the methods exemplified by Galileo, Descartes, and Newton.

I think of electromagnetism anomalies as partly a red herring, and that taking a step back and looking at physical reality as a whole is more fruitful.

8/02/2006 12:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Richard said...

Can't disagree with your House of Cards assessment either...but one can hope, can't one.

Otherwise there ain't much left but the shotgun barrel in the mouth with the trigger tied to the big toe as you wait for someone to tickle your foot.


I don't think I preclude hope by entertaining the notion of hopelessness. In otherwords, our future is a point on a plotted trajectory, or trajectories with assigned probabilities.

Of course, there are Unknown Unknowns that may very well render the trajectory analysis irrelevant and foolish, because, of course, the analysis is conducted in the context of our current paradigm, and as such, it proposes that certain relevant truths are absolute truths, in which case, the entire analysis is the incoherent ramblings of a pathological paranoiac.


I suppose we could always just follow something I read in a magazine called Adbusters:

"We, as a species, should have the courage to allow ourselves to become extinct."


Wow!! My kind of Ad!! What were they selling.....Arsenic?


From how it looks, we don't even have to allow it, it'll happen without our consent.

Fuck it.

So what.


I won't go like that. I want to say FUCK YOU to those who won't acknowledge it until the bright, thermonuclear light washes accross my body like a cosmic sanitary cleanzer.


To steal from a J.J. Cale song, "I did not make this ol' world, I'm just living here too."

C'mon, you seem like a smart guy, I'm sure you've seen this coming for a while. I'm hoping a while before the twin towers went up in smoke to be precise, yet you had kids, you didn't eat a bullet, or crouch in a clock tower with a loaded 30.06, so there must be hope buried deep down somewhere inside you.


I think you're right. There must be hope, or else I'm insane.


I had a pretty decent corporate job about 16 years back....hated the fucking thing....hated the people with their smarmy kiss ass ways...jettisoned the whole thing...became human toilet paper working with MR folk. I found that I like retarded people waaaaaaaaaay better than I like normal people. They have no hidden agendas...when retarded folk are happy they give you a great big wet sloppy hug....when they're pissed they try to smash a coffee pot upside your head. Straight forward & straight up...I like that.
Normals have a whole other way of doing things. It's a way I dislike & do my best to avoid.


I agree, completely. My wife used to work with Retarded Adults for ARC before she became a full-time Mother, and she feels the same way you do. They're genuine....something that can't be said for most "Normals."


Anyway, our days were always numbered...circumstances just make this more apparent. We all see the clock ticking now, so use your remaining time wisely.
Go home & watch the poor man's TV...your kids...make every moment count.
How much of life do we just wander through because we think we have sooooooooooooo much time?


Couldn't agree more........and that's exactly what I do....but it hurts me to think of them suffering needlessly....just as it hurts me to see the children of Lebanon suffering. It makes me mad as hell.


Time's up.

Tick-tock pal....tick fucking tock.


Pink Floyd comes to mind:

Time

Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way.

Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.

So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again.
The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older,
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.

Every year is getting shorter never seem to find the time.
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
The time is gone, the song is over,
Thought I'd something more to say.

8/02/2006 01:24:00 PM  
Blogger blogbart said...

ALERT ALERT

Sorry for off topic post but this is important.

Here comes a new attempt at 9/11 damage control ...

WaPo article 9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon

8/02/2006 03:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Blogbart,

That's exactly what it is. More Containment......it's endless.

We have a breach in Zone 5.....seal both exits, and stand ready for further containment, if necessary.

8/02/2006 03:29:00 PM  
Blogger AJ said...

Damn Blogbart, nice catch.
Unbelievable.

8/02/2006 03:56:00 PM  
Blogger blogbart said...

Shrubageddon said...
Blogbart,

That's exactly what it is. More Containment......it's endless.


Oh, its got an end to it. This is improv we are seeing.

8/02/2006 03:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Simon said...

How about this:
You are reincarnated according to your Karma. Therefore, all the sad eyes being slaughtered and starved to death need to be, to reconcile previous actions. In their following lives their position will reflect their penance paid and lessons learned. And maybe eventually all souls will merge back...

"Without evil to challenge us there can be no courage. Since evil brings out the best aspects of mankind evil is regarded as necessary. So in creating this world God made some evil to make it the best of all possible worlds."

8/02/2006 04:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Shrub,

you said,
"I won't go like that. I want to say FUCK YOU to those who won't acknowledge it until the bright, thermonuclear light washes accross my body like a cosmic sanitary cleanzer."

I agree with the FUCK YOU part wholeheartedly, but if I would have typed

So what

FUCK YOU

it would have looked like I was giving you the middle finger which wasn't my intention.

Otherwise a tip of the hat to ya pal.

Personally, my concern for humanity's future is only based on my love for my kids. & your kids, etc.
They're the ones who will suffer through this bullshit.
If I didn't like the wee ones so much, I'd be looking for the 'blow up the world' button myself. Kind of like that Tom Wait's song:

" he got a gallon of
gas in a can, drove home, doused
everything in the house, torched it,
parked across the street, laughing,
watching it burn, all Halloween
orange and chimney red "

8/02/2006 05:02:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Well, Shrubageddon, I wasn’t meaning to use you for either a prop or a prelude to some larger, as yet undisclosed point, although assuredly a point there be…I also didn’t mean to offend you; I’m constantly, and I promise inadvertantly, offending even like-minded individuals with my inexplicable optimism and absurdist positions, so I suppose some explanation is in order. First off, yeah, I got the implications of the Shrubageddon thing—it’s not overly subtle, is it? I was only even responding to you at all because of the tone of frustration and depression in your previous post. You see, I can’t really afford those sensibilities due to my own condition. Very briefly then (brief because sympathy is crippling and won’t buy you lunch), I live in a level of hell unsuspected by most folks: on top of extreme poverty, I have an incurable, debilitating condition that puts me in constant, unrelenting pain. Living in the arse of the Beast, the good ol’ US of A, I’m pretty much left to my own devices, aside from the morphine they give me, which doesn’t begin to shield me from my torments. So, for me there is only one defense: the illogical optimism of the absurdist clown.

I’ve found, however, that the absurdist position is much more than a defense mechanism; it’s a defiance, a refutation of the shitscape of our times. It’s not escapism, it’s fuck-youism. If you listen to Eric Idle singing the FCC Song, the refrain is “Fuck you very much indeed!” Another poster complained that I my irreverence was hypocritical, that he understood Pythonism “as much as the next guy,” went to the 20th anniversary blah-blah, to which I would respond, “Oh yeah?” The philosophy of pythonic irreverence is not a philosophy at all? Just some British sit-com frivolity? Bollocks! Read Eric Idle’s space-mystery novel The Road to Mars and tell me he hasn’t looked reality in the arse and said “Phew!” This spirit which animates me is also embodied by Frank Zappa. If you’re at all familiar with Frank, you’ll see that under the poodle-biting mayhem, there’s a stark, unforgiving tenacity, an unwillingness to conceded anything to the Machine. His interview(s) on Crossfire bear this out nearly as well as his music. (On a related note, did you know that there was humor in the 3rd Reich? It usually ended with a trip to the concentration camps, but it was there, nonetheless. Was the freewayblogging of die Weisse Rose a pointless tilting at windmills?)

But what will lifting your skirts to the man possibly achieve, you might ask? Well, it provides you with an uncorruptable skepticism, for starters, which is a commodity in short supply in many quarters (just ask the Anonymous buffoon with his adamant and fervent belief in the revelations of Albert Pike.) To those who question my “commitment to the cause,” whatever the hell that might be, I would ask what being serious about the issues is going to get them. Do they imagine that voting in the soulless Democrats is going to change anything? That exterminating the Illuminist Rat Bastards will civilize cannibal capitalism? Who’s the absurdist?

I do happen to believe that there are answers to our many dilemmas, some of which are suppressed technologies, but I also believe that much could be done without them. For anyone who hasn’t been there yet, Wade Frazier’s A Healed Planet is brilliant, honest, helpful and even hopeful: http://www.ahealedplanet.net/home.htm On this topic, the person dubious of the EM Swindle would do well to consider the suppression-through-editing of Maxwell’s equation—Heaviside hacked them up, leaving them good for nothing more than Hertzian electronics, which Tesla, for example, called ridiculously limiting. Gravity is so poorly understood today because of this. One day, information will out, if the bastards don’t kill us off first. In the meantime, slashing at the silver screen of the Big Lie is the only worthwhile occupation I can think of…and managing to laugh while battling is even better than morphine, seriously.

8/02/2006 05:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Hey Iridescent Cuttlefish:

Thanks for clarifying, and no offense taken.

My hopelessness, or hopefulness vacilates for a number of different reasons, most of them whimsical. For example, tonight is dessert night and the Wife is making homemade Oatmeal-Almond-Apricot Cookies. My anticipation is growing exponentially as I count the moments until I place the first warm succulent morsel in my mouth and send my taste buds into orgasm.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I like what you have to say.

Fond Regards,

The Chief Chef

8/02/2006 05:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

This is self-explanatory:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2006/08/02/notes080206.DTL

Oh my God do they ever lie.

All of them: Big Auto, Big Oil, BushCo, Pennzoil and Havoline and Saudi Arabia and crusty Alaska Senator Ted Stevens and the oil lobbyists and lackey scientists working for the Department of Energy and all the rest, on down the line and right up to your garage door.

Lie lie lie lie lie like evil little ratdogs because they are, after all, corporate greedmonkeys and war profiteers and duplicitous oil-sucking cretins (is that too polite?) who would eat their own mother's heart for a notable uptick in share/barrel price. Nevertheless, it's always a bit of a jolt when you see it all up close and personal and they basically rub it in your face.

Just look. Look over here. It's a new sports car. It's a new sports car that looks deliciously like a Lotus Elise and reportedly drives like Michael Schumacher's wet dream and goes from zero to 60 in about four seconds with so much torque and freakishly instantaneous power it makes the gods swoon.

This car, it has a top speed of 130 mph. It has a range of 250 miles. It also has GPS navigation and air-conditioning and air bags and it surely will come with a very badass sound system. It has heated seats and (I presume) iPod integration and Bluetooth. You know, just like a real car.

Oh, and by the way, this car? It's completely silent. It is 100-percent emissions-free. Doesn't even have a tailpipe. Because it has no internal combustion engine of any kind.

It's not a hybrid. It's pure electric, powered by a "3-phase, 4-pole AC induction motor," which I'm sure is rather impressive if you know what the hell it means. But it means one thing for certain: The only oil in this car is in the buffing fluid for the leather seats.

It's called the Tesla Roadster, unveiled just recently to a gaggle of giddy auto peeps in Santa Monica and coming to an elite showroom in about a year for around the price of a Porsche 911.

That's right, it's not a prototype. Not some eccentric inventor's crazy basement fantasy. It's a real car. Street legal, drivable, gorgeous, available soon. The Tesla guys have already earned their share of press, given how they managed to wrangle millions in backing from the Google boys (among others). Rumor has it that the Guvernator himself, after going for a test drive during last week's press day, has already placed his order for one of the little luxo speedsters, presumably to feed to his fleet of rabid Hummers.

Did I mention the Roadster costs about 80K? Who cares? The price is irrelevant. The fact that this car even exists in such a pure and obvious and performance-oriented form, does. Simply put, it is the most flagrant proof yet that we have been brutally, savagely misled.

See, they lie. And they've been lying for years, decades. They lie about how difficult it is to replace the internal combustion engine. They lie about how unfeasible it is to eliminate auto emissions without sacrificing real performance (the 130-mph Roadster's lithium-ion battery system is estimated to be twice as efficient as a Prius and three times as efficient as a hydrogen fuel cell. Not to mention Tesla's fabulous solar option).

But they lie, most of all, about how much we still require foreign oil, because these billion-dollar corporations claim they can't possibly afford to develop sufficiently advanced technology in your lifetime to create a 100-percent emissions-free, oil-free, ultragreen vehicle that still has all the comforts and performance of a regular car.

8/02/2006 07:42:00 PM  
Anonymous rain said...

Simon said...
How about this:
You are reincarnated according to your Karma. Therefore, all the sad eyes being slaughtered and starved to death need to be, to reconcile previous actions. In their following lives their position will reflect their penance paid and lessons learned. And maybe eventually all souls will merge back...

crap. that's where you evidence long on waffle and short and praxis.

and as for 'free energy', two words, Eugene Mallove, just as an example, there are plenty more.
you just go ahead and try. DOA.
at least without a lot more clarity as to the real dangers of the game and a huge groundswell of grass-roots support.

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Anonymous said...
Reply to ericswan from the mulberry/plum eater:

1) Can you give some description of the content of McLuhan's Libraries Without Shelves, seeing as how there's almost no chance of my finding a copy?


Would that be mulberry bush?

I contacted Eric McLuhan a few months back. He says he is writing a book and did not know that his father had anything in the works or "Libraries Without Shelves" in particular. I wonder who got the million.

The Maxwell equations of 1864 as reported in the Royal Society annual report contained 20 equations. A copy of this report was apparently for sale with an asking price in the 6 digits. This was reduced to 3 equations by (I believe) Heaviside (sp)

My opinion is that modern electrical engineering is missing the fact that electricity is actually moving through a wire by kinetic energy not a flow of electrons. Most of the energy is pissed up a rope.

8/03/2006 02:32:00 AM  
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You must harken to Ionesco by your claim of being an absurdist. Your writing, nor your philosophy, bear any of the wisdom, compassion, humanity, or soul of the quintessential absurdist, Albert Camus.

Oh oh, his first name is Albert and he wrote books, I must be next in line for one of your megalomaniacal forked-tongue lashings.

But to the point, you are not even an absurdist,

you are a nihilist.

Plain and simple.

That makes you pretty much the same as all the folks within the ptb that you rail against and claim to oppose. You should have chosen your enemies better, for you have become them. Or perhaps you always were.

AS for your predicament, if what you wrote of it is even true, then by your words I would say you have well earned your fate.

But God knows better.

I pity you.

Just not very much.

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Hey Buffoonish Anon Mouse,
I was just sort of missing you, in a nihilistic kind of way, and secretly hoped to lure your fetid bacon out from behind the sausage slamming woodshed where thou dost shelter the holy Pike and halberd shafty things...So, who's the nihilist?

I have hope, bright and sunny, despite the evidence of the senses, whilst you grovel at the feet of your $39.95 belief system (what does Mr. Sticke charge you to receive his wisdom, as long as you've come out of that particular closet)? I realize that you already know the whole truth (and nothing but the truth, so help the carny hawker that sold it to you), so why do you keep poking your ugliest bits* around a site where people are trying to figure out what's goin' on, as Marvin did say, anyway?

Oh, yeah, I remember: so you can "anticipate and ameliorate" the activities of Icke's Shiny People--break up any skull soup parties recently? Or, wait, how about a good stiff letter to the Federal Reserve, with a dollar bill that you've circled the eye in the pyramid on, so they know you've got your eye on them? Your abject surrender of your cognitive autonomy is both absurd (not in the interesting way) and nihilistic. Be a man, not a sponge...

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ire:

"What's the ugliest part of your body?
Some say your nose,
Some say your toes,
But I think it's your mind..."

In your case, that only rates a 2.

The ugliest part of you is your heart, or what passes for it in the space where it no longer exists.

Like I said, quoting your brethren Douglas Adams, "Just not very much."

8/03/2006 02:50:00 PM  
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Reply to ericswan:

No they are mulberry TREES :~)

[BTW, I refer to the "Bush administration" as "the weed regime", a more apt moniker.]

As for electromagnetism, I don't know enough about the theory to dispute what you say, you may be completely right. I just mean that working with wholeness as a first principle should yield sound results in electromagnetism. [Maxwell's complete equations may fall right out of that, for all I know.] EM comes out of that wholeness in some way; it isn't the origin of physical reality. Maybe it is a precursor, but it is an intermediate step between the completely intangible and the completely tangible. A lot of early researchers into electrical phenomena made the mistake of thinking that the world of electricity was the basis for the spiritual world.

And now, my slight background in conventional electronics comes out and I ask if there have been any applications developed from the unexpurgated set of equations. I've heard stories of Tesla driving a car powered by background energy in the air coming in through an antenna, but I don't know if this really happened or not.

To sum up what I'm saying, the thinking behind the full set of equations and the conventional set is probably the same - what we need is a qualitative change in thought. I'd say "paradigm", but that word has been worn out. The unquestioned underlying assumptions have to be made explicit and examined closely. We need a broader view. I think Goethe's scientific method was one way to do this. Not the only one, but one which has been of great interest to me, and made accessible by researchers like Bortoft.

8/03/2006 04:31:00 PM  
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