Friday, October 20, 2006

All Tumbling Down



Here come the events all tumbling down - Nice Cave

Overwhelmed yet? For quite some time it's been impossible to keep current with our condition, which is either falling into or being drawn towards something we've yet to see. Without much comment, here are some snapshots of where we are.

You may know that Israeli President Moshe Katsav is facing indictment for the rape of two female staffers. Earlier this week in Moscow after a brief public appearance with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Vladimir Putin remarked "Say hello to your president. He really surprised us." The New York Times notes that the microphone "was quickly turned off as reporters were ushered from the room," but Putin was overheard to continue. "He turned out to be quite a powerful man. He raped 10 women. I never expected it from him. He surprised all of us. We all envy him."

Diplomats on both sides are said to have responded with laughter and continued with their meeting. The generous interpretation is that Putin was simply making a coarse joke. Putin has always thrived on generous interpretations, from the Moscow apartment bombings to his kissing the belly of an adolescent boy. Even after the murder of Anna Politkovskaya and the suspension of 100 NGOs including Amnesty International, the prevailing assumption appears to remain that whatever he said, he didn't mean it, and whatever he did, he didn't do it. What was he thinking? is not so terrible a question if it is left unanswered.

In Toronto this week, a notorious former teacher-predator of Canada's premier school for privileged boys received an extraordinary pardon for his years of molestation and rape. Abuse by Clark Noble and other staffers at Upper Canada College has been an "open secret" for years, though tolerated by authorities and families as a seeming "rite of passage" through private school and into positions of leadership in business and politics. (UCC alumnists include the late Lord Kenneth Thomson, Conrad Black and Michael Ignatieff.) One poster remarks on the RI forum that "it seems that sex assault is part of elite school curriculum all over," and another: "Maybe thats why the powerful send their kids to elite schools, the abuse is part of the training."

And regarding Iraq, there's been a lot of noise how James Baker's "Bipartisan Study Group" has weighed in and assessed the mission as a failure, and what a blow this must be to the Bush White House.

"Staying the course" is not an option, but it never was the intent. The Iraq project has always envisioned the dissolution of the country into three "federal states" - sectarian bantustans ruled by obliging strongmen - but to get to that point a united Iraq, that had never seen a civil war, needed destabilizing. To that end, the US and UK mission has truly been a catastrophic success. Now, it's the time for the neocon berserkers to take one on the chin, and the "grown-ups" to move in and complete the job in such a way that it appears they're simply cleaning up an unfortunate mess. "Few officials in either party are talking about an immediate pullout of U.S. combat troops. But interest appears to be growing in several broad ideas. One would be some kind of effort to divide the country along regional lines...."

Don't be fooled again, or for the first time.

132 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's "coarse" joke, not "course" joke.

10/20/2006 11:09:00 AM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Thanks for the catch, I'd thought that was what I'd typed. Corrected.

10/20/2006 11:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

It doesn't, and won't end with Iraq. The destabilization of the entire Middle East is the plan.

Of coarse, you already know that.

That is unnervingly freaky about Putin. Just when you think it can't be so, there's another potential clue that it can be so.

10/20/2006 12:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, I think the term is "rite" of passage, as in ritual, not "right" of passage. You probably knew that, but spellcheckers wouldn't catch it.

10/20/2006 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Ah, nuts. That's what comes of posting in a hurry. Thanks, I'll fix it.

10/20/2006 12:37:00 PM  
Anonymous SamHill said...

Terror Suspect Says CIA Recruited Him

www.apnews.myway.com

CHICAGO (AP) - A former university professor charged with plotting to bankroll Hamas terrorists was once asked by the CIA whether he wanted a job as a spy, his attorney told a jury Thursday.

Abdelhaleem Ashqar, 48, apparently never pursued the idea. But his defense attorneys say the offer shows federal agents were eager to recruit him to spy on fellow Palestinians before doing an about-face and indicting him.

Attorney William Moffitt showed jurors a June 17, 1996, letter on CIA stationary telling Ashqar, then a post-graduate business student at the University of Mississippi, that he might want a clandestine services job.

"Operations officers serve overseas as collectors of information," the letter said. It told him to "tick the box below" to pursue such a job.

But Moffitt said that when the job was suggested, federal agents already had searched his house, found the documents and tapped his phone.

Ashqar, of Alexandria, Va., and suburban Chicago grocer Muhammad Salah, 53, are charged in a four-count racketeering indictment with furnishing thousands of dollars and fresh recruits to the Palestinian militant organization Hamas, which has been officially designated a terrorist group by the federal government.

The indictment was announced in August 2004 in Washington by John Ashcroft, attorney general at the time, who called the men prime movers in "a U.S.-based terrorism recruiting and financing cell." The trial is expected to take three months, and expected witnesses include Israeli security agents.

10/20/2006 12:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Dugoboy said...

its funny i just read an article that told about the putin "coarse joke" and i immediately ran over to this site to see if you had said anything about it and you did. putin is really cracking down in that country.

“Say hello to your president, he really surprised us.”

"He turned out to be quite a powerful man. He raped 10 women. I never expected it from him. He surprised all of us. We all envy him."

hahaha...

but atleast we know now. i would call this a full fledged confirmation.

10/20/2006 12:50:00 PM  
Blogger Caryl said...

Jeff -
Sometimes you make insinuations about Putin that I don't think are well thought out. Putin is a nationalist who is not playing along with the NWO game - although appearances are sometimes deceiving. The NWO people hate him because he stopped the rule of the oligarchs.
Be careful that your ability to read between the lines and see double doesn't lead you astray in interpreting a shrewd foreign policy.

10/20/2006 02:04:00 PM  
Blogger SMiles said...

"Maybe thats why the powerful send their kids to elite schools, the abuse is part of the training."

This immediately reminded me of the Ivy League Nudes photography revelations of a year or so ago:

www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ivy+league+nude+photographs+of+students

Collegiate/ivy league nude photosAt Vassar they had nude photographs taken of women in gym class to check their ... Lanier confirmed that the Ivy League "posture photos" Sheldon used were ...
tafkac.org/collegiate/ivy_league_nude_photos.html

Science, Nudes & Faces - Ivy League NudesScience, Nudes & Faces - Ivy League Nudes - by Peter Marshall for About Photography. ... made 'posture photographs' of its students for medical reasons, ...
photography.about.com/library/weekly/aa072902c.htm

Science, Nudes & Faces - Photography & Crime... given certain photographs of students to their colleges.' The remaining 'photographic material is not available for research.' Ivy League Nude Photos ...
photography.about.com/library/weekly/aa072902e.htm

THE GREAT IVY LEAGUE NUDE POSTURE PHOTO SCANDAL - New York TimesAt Vassar they had nude photographs taken of women in gym class to check their ... and the Ivy League and Seven Sisters schools whose student bodies were ...
query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE7D91131F936A25752C0A963958260&sec=health&pagewanted=all

10/20/2006 02:06:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Putin is a nationalist who is not playing along with the NWO game

I don't mean to suggest everyone's playing the same side, or even the same game, but I think pathologies of power often exhibit the same symptoms.

10/20/2006 02:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does Jeff understand that Russians and many other cultures have different ways of showing affection, that they are not as frigid as the West, that men hold hands, hug, and kiss in places like Turkey and in Europe it's common to see women holding hands as they walk down the street, and that this is normal? Not everyone limits themselves to the West's hearty handshake.
You don't have to go overseas to see this. Watch the film Burnt By the Sun, or something, to see what would be scandalous in the prissy West is quite acceptable elsewhere. The reverse is true also as when Carter kissed... can't remember who but it was a mini scandal.
I'm not trashing the basic thrust of Jeff's take but think these details ought to be thrown in.

About the NGO's Ha, The Russians say they are asking for transparency. Do we have to dig into NGO's to see who they are or is that even necessary anymore!

Anyway, still, about Putin I'm of two minds, maybe three; Patriot, Player or both. I don't know.

RE Politkovskaya's assassination, here is a round up:
http://tinyurl.com/svpue

10/20/2006 02:36:00 PM  
Anonymous postrchild said...

well this explains all the inactivity on the "disco boards".
Jeff slides in last minute with an october surprise of his own...a post on Friday! After 6am no less...

This is some scary shit we are dealing with. These fuckers are seriously leeches on the lower classes. Its all a sick global game of twister, nude no less.

But if these stories are true, then I must querry:

If it is this widespread how do we escape it?

10/20/2006 02:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

The prissy West needs to loosen up about rape. It's quite common in other countries....for example, just ask Borat. He was conceived from an act of rape in Kazakstan.

That scene was great with the two southern gentlemen teaching him the art of wine tasting and he told them his mother wished she was never raped. I about shit my pants on that one.

10/20/2006 03:05:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

"Does Jeff understand that Russians and many other cultures have different ways of showing affection"

But Russians themselves found Putin's gesture bizarrely inappropriate.

AFTER a week of frenzied speculation across Russia, President Putin finally explained yesterday that he had kissed a young boy on the stomach in the Kremlin because he wanted to “stroke him like a kitten”.

But his explanation during a live webcast held by the BBC and a popular Russian browser left many viewers even more bemused.

The normally dour former KGB officer insisted that it was a spontaneous decision to approach the five-year-old, who was in a group of tourists, to lift his shirt and kiss his stomach.

“People came up and I began talking to them, among them this little boy. He seemed to me very independent, sure of himself and at the same time defenceless so to speak, an innocent boy and a very nice little boy,” Mr Putin said. “I tell you honestly, I just wanted to stroke him like a kitten and it came out in this gesture. There is nothing behind it.”

Russians occasionally kiss babies on the stomach, but almost never five-year-old boys.

The country was so stunned that the issue shot almost to the top of a list of more than 162,000 questions sent into www.yandex.ru, which cohosted the webcast yesterday.

link

10/20/2006 03:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

pederasts, blackmail, etc. over at waynemadsen:
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

October 20/21/22, 2006 -- Pagegate swamps two additional female GOP House members. Scandal becoming political equivalent of a general alarm fire. WMR has received further confirmation that Pagegate details were revealed by U.S. intelligence and law enforcement members as a last resort to ensure the defeat of GOP members of Congress who have been blackmailed over the years for their involvement in pederasty or covering it up. In fact, some of the members targeted were originally blackmailed by CIA-connected elements tied to child prostitution as far back as the 1960s. The blackmail was always held in reserve as an insurance policy for elements tied to "the Agency," which have now found it necessary to exercise their "options."

10/20/2006 03:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

The West is also too prissy when it comes to shitting and pissing in public. We need to loosen up and piss and shit on the bare earth, you know, the sidewalks and grocery market floors, just like they do in Russia and other countries and cities like Mumbai.

It's nothing to be ashamed of, afterall. Who cares if your gas is Brown?

10/20/2006 03:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like I said I'm not debating the thrust of your article just pointing out some cultural differences that ought to be taken into the mix. But, I'll check amongst some Russian friends to see what their opinion is and whether the reaction is the same. I'm guessing it will split beween those who think Putin is a "player" and those who think he is a "patriot". Personally I found it weird, but then I didn't think that this was so weird... minus the captions.
http://tinyurl.com/y9c82w
But I do think that this was:
http://tinyurl.com/pp4kr

Shrubageddon:
"The prissy West needs to loosen up about rape."
Surely that was not what I was saying.

10/20/2006 03:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shrubageddon said...
The West is also too prissy when it comes to shitting and pissing in public. We need to loosen up and piss and shit on the bare earth,

= Flamebait.

10/20/2006 03:42:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

I think I could safely join in with this chorus.

10/20/2006 04:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SHRUB = IDIOT

10/20/2006 04:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

+ the chorus

10/20/2006 04:55:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Players=class war=Alternative 3
Patriot=isolationist=antiglobalization.

The fact is the agenda by whom ever was to split IRAQ up into clashing cultures and clean up the mess later, when all the above factions are done fingerpainting.

10/20/2006 04:57:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

Check the news, al-Sadr is applying that first beautiful sacred cut to the body of Iraq. I bet there's a whole lotta ceremonial mastrubating going in in Washington right now.

10/20/2006 05:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Don't be fooled again, or for the first time."

Aw, Jeff! a missed opportunity to close with Bush's stuttering version:

"Fool me once, shame on shame on...you...;...fool me--can't get fooled again!"

"can't get fooled again!" is indeed the theme here. Wake up, people.

Bush physically was unable to force himself to utter the words "shame on me." Figures. That's the moral of the story of that quote. Endless shifting of the real blame. Endless insouisance of shoving it in your face and laughing.

So...

Let's shift the real blame back for a moment to these inbred babbling twits. There's a pattern here, that is captured in the below linked graph for how they got so psychopathic and indifferent.

Trumping the Darwin Awards

This link introduces the genetic family tree of a major hunk of the U.S. version of pathocracy--as an inbred family/state power around Skull and Bones intergenerational families.

The raw materials of the families keep lowering the bar for themselves over the generations to get in power or get out of jail, or even get basic "book learnin'", until the world is faced with inbred criminal nitwits with the mental aptitude of spoiled 5 year olds for an occult elite who coudn't run a country much less a planet sustainably if their lives depended upon it.

All they want to do is screw Condi Rice or Jeff Gannon on the White House desk--or both, at once. While Cheney drinks triple cognacs as he did in the Reagan era 'thinking clearly' about his secret wars--and laughs, and he thinks about the next MKULTRA teen he's going to rape, thanks to Jeff's photo catch there...

Skull and Bones has found a way to trump the international Darwin Awards by an extreme form of airtight nepotism.

Instead of getting killed off or sentenced to death for their actions, they breed better when they failed, because it's a chance for their fellow allies to earn points with each other in saving them:

"A Darwin Award is a tongue-in-cheek "honor", actually, a public act of ridicule, given to people who supposedly improve the human gene pool in killing or sterilizing themselves by making a foolish or careless mistake." (wikipedia)

Given the negative seletion factor over the generations, a Darwin Award would have weeded out the Bushes, Cheneys and their ilk long ago (Bush is a failure throughout his life, for instance, bankrupted everything he touched, lifelong drunkard, cowardly bully, sadistic; Cheney flunked out of Yale, etc. tears up as a 60 year old when his Wyoming high school gives him a football honorarium and certainly zero tears dropped about Iraq as he planned where to drop the bombs in Gulf War I (as Bush's Sec. of Defense) and Gulf War II (ongoing, as shadow president). They are truly nonentities elevated because of their familiy connections).

As a long term result of high corruption and kickbacks, they are unable to even slightly feign morality to cover up their depravity and indifference anymore.

For Europe, the same inbred nitwits phenomenon generated 'leaders' who could barely form complete sentences by the 1700s--though were rulers of European 'nations'--the bitter theme of the book Royal Babylon. And in some cases, still are there:

"From the madness of King George to the equine escapades of Catherine the Great, from the intramural squabbles of Elizabeth and Di to the staggeringly decadent exploits of Charles X: in this gossipy chronicle of regal shenanigans, British journalist Karl Shaw dishes plenty of dirt--and ably demonstrates why royal watching is such a satisfying hobby.

Was there ever a good monarch? To judge by Shaw's account, it's unlikely. Instead, he writes, "Every monarchy in Europe has at some time or another been ruled over by a madman," adding in passing that only Bavaria's King Ludwig had the good grace to turn his madness into a source of tourist revenue for his subjects' descendants. Of the mad and the downright curious there's no shortage in these pages, as Shaw delivers anecdote after anecdote concerning the demented, sometimes awful, sometimes entertaining behavior of the likes of Germany's Frederick the Great, who "drank up to forty cups of coffee a day for several weeks in an experiment to see if it was possible to exist without sleep"; Russia's Catherine I, "a raddled old alcoholic with bloodshot eyes, wild and matted hair and clothes soiled with urine stains ... [who] once survived an assassination attempt too drunk to realize that anything had happened"; and England's Queen Mary, "the only known royal kleptomaniac," whose aides would surreptitiously gather the knickknacks she'd lifted from her subjects' parlors and return them with muffled apologies."


It's the banality of evil, said Hannah Arendt, that is the characteristic of totalitarianism. Additionally, one might say it is the airtight banality of the trivia that the lives of the totalitarians are based on, that is the final insult. Behind the Big Brother cameras, they are just looking at women's legs.

It's worse than the "let them eat cake" attitude (which poor Illuminati-killed Marie Antoinette never said, it's the fact that that she lived the overromancitized life of a fake peasant milkmaid at Versailles replete in her own private little Disneyland-like peasant house constructed there, while Paris starved.

It's worse than Barbara Bush's sense of bored jocularity in the face of millions of displaced people and adversity that her own damn family caused--"and so many people in this arena were underprivildged anyway, so [giggle giggle], this is working very well for them." in a fetid stadium after losing everything, overseen by her own idiot son's irresponsibility ("you're doing' a heck of a job, Brownie!"--when his only previous job was a thoroughbred horse judge, or his main FEMA emails passed back and forth in the days of the disaster were of the like between his informative national staff and himself was of the level of "wow! did you look good on camera! where did you get those clothes, etc.!"); it's that Barbara Bush when cornered is insulted that anyone should dare to reproach her to be concerned at all, for instance, in the issue of Iraqi deaths. Simply even thinking about it would spoil her self-conceieved "beautiful mind." ("Why should we hear about body bags and death? It's not relevant. Why should I waste my beautiful mind on that?") All of these are direct quotes.

However, the lesson is these horse judges and horse thieves are seriously pushovers at this stage with a few more "J. Edgar Hoover options" being thrown in. Just because they could organize the killing of Kennedy 40 years ago fails to mean they still have it together now.

Thank you thank you thank you--to some loyal FBI/CIA out there mentioned above for finally exercising that long held "J. Edgar Hoover option" on outing the Republican pedophilia national drug lord network--please please please rat on all these idiot bastards who are destroying the U.S.! With the U.S.'s centrality, unless you do, you are equally culpable in destroying the planet.

They aren't even fiddling while Rome burns. They can't even play the violin at this stage. They want to eat cake while New Orleans floods, crown a king in the Senate attendance as a public relations stunt for the Moonies, centralize and digitalize all (non)elections to keep them in power like Stalin, call massive New England blackouts "an interesting test case", extort Californian electricity and to cover it up, unseat Governor Gray Davis and put in a grade B actor Schwartzenegger who can't decide what personality to exhibit or act now (he's married into the Shriver/Kennedies).

At the same moment they simultaneously laugh and say "be fearful of daily terrorism, nothing we can do about it, though keep shopping and pretend everything is normal to help America!"

Bush basically quipped this sentiment after his 9-11 treasonous standown.

Whew.

With that out of the way, here's a Skull and Bones chart.

I've been attempting to post for somewhile and it finally took:

Skull & Bones Family Tree: whose skeletons are in each other's closets in Yale/US history

lots of hours and cross consultation by three people went into this simple graph ...Knowing of your inbred Bonesmen families is the first key to any secondary immune response.

Interesting points or themes about the graph:

...

10/20/2006 05:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

Mr Putin said. “I tell you honestly..."

Always a giveaway.

10/20/2006 05:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Russia was pissed and lost capital with the US/AIPAC move into Iraq.
Is he happy with situation in the region?



The region is certainly of interest to the man and his country.


Putin exploited a situation in a way only court jesters could and live to tell the tale at dinner parties lampshade on head not needed.hahaha



He is dangerous in that he is a wildcard.

Putin hater killed

Did FSB pay a visit to Anna.
Did her last or upcoming never to be finished story hit a nerve.
Textbook hit with pistol left next to body.

Crazy as a fox he is.
Decadent?
Powerhungry?

Traits of the elite.

Was he the pot calling the pan black?



Putin

He knows
they play hardball.
So does he.

Remember the theater raid......what a gas.

The school raid....
Make it look good guys.
Airliners blowing up.STAGED
He is heavy handed.


Russia is a KEY player of opportunistic predation..

10/20/2006 05:39:00 PM  
Blogger AJ said...

"I think pathologies of power often exhibit the same symptoms..

I see that too.Funny it has to do with Sex & Children. You might start to wonder if Crowley had inadvertantly stumbled onto something.

It is also interesting to note that many of the links you took the time to make are simply not there anymore...
So one might be hard pressed to "have proof" that Putin really did kiss anyone's tummy.

Good Post Jeff.

10/20/2006 06:26:00 PM  
Blogger Tsoldrin said...

Time and again, just when I am able to put this distasteful facet of the elite out of my mind and concentrate on the more mundane aspects of the enemy, something like this crops up and Jeff is there to point it out. Hat tip for the reminder(again) even though it's something I think many of us would rather forget.

That wish to forget, that need to put out of mind that which is so appaling as to overwhelm sensibilities, is a large part of how they continue to do what they do and continue to avoid serious public scrutiny.

10/20/2006 07:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Baker's report on the US pretectorate of Iraq

So the idealistic mantra of democracy and freedom can no longer be sung to the American people.

What with Hamas and the bad guys winning outright.
Democracy what a concept.
Anyway it was a ruse anyway.
Doomed to fail.
No electronic voting machines to rig.



The truth of the situation is the Iraqi people are to be eliminated or moved anyway.
Let them kill themselves with infighting.

We will just protect the oilfield perimeters.
Maybe just make sure they are shut down and saved for last.
So no one can profit.


The charade is over.

Consolidate forces away from enemy reach.
Airmobile FAST in to any actions.

Warmachines and men cost money.

Daddy Warbucks,Carlyle and friends like Baker bought up all the defense companies after the wall fell.
Ingeniously clever men with connections.

A war or police action was needed (the bigger the better,911 impetous)

So now after they all made a fortune
restocking the material.
Expendable people well let us say they do not worry their little minds over such things.


Defense stocks are doing good.
Some factories are working 3 shifts to meet demand.

Harder to get men though.
No surplus.
Spread thin.

May need that draft if the economy picks up.hahaha

What is a poor kid to do faced with dealing drugs/jail or military.Pick your institutionalized life early for your own good.

10/20/2006 08:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

PAT TILLMAN = IDIOT

I love how the anti-war crowd hangs their hat on this bird.

He reminds of Otto (played by Kevin Kline) in A Fish Called Wanda. He read Nietzsche, but couldn't add two and two.

10/20/2006 08:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT, but maybe not ... Fort Meade is burning.

10/21/2006 12:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting that Groton School, the elite school which is home to many skull and bonesers and intel bastards corrupting democracy (as well as some of the guys who backed Hitler - Roland Bunny Harriman and many walkers) as well as FDR and McGeorge Bundy, announced this week that it had reached a settlement regarding sexual assaults of a young man named Zeke Hawkins which it had covered up.

10/21/2006 12:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.heart7.net/news/accusations-sexabuse-boardingschool.htm

link for previous post

10/21/2006 12:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Pat Tillman's brother Kevin said...

[Kevin also served in Afghanistan, where he lost his brother, Pat.]

It is Pat’s birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice… until we get out.

Much has happened since we handed over our voice:

Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can’t be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few “bad apples” in the military.

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It’s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.

Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.

Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.

Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.

Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.

Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.

Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.

Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.

Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.

Somehow torture is tolerated.

Somehow lying is tolerated.

Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.

Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.

Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.

Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.

Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.

Somehow this is tolerated.

Somehow nobody is accountable for this.

In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehow” was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.

Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat’s birthday.

Brother and Friend of Pat Tillman,

Kevin Tillman

P.S. Shrub=sphincter

10/21/2006 01:15:00 AM  
Anonymous starroute said...

anonymous -

I'm interested in your Skull & Bones family tree. As I've said here before, my husband has many of these same lines in his background, but seems to have been spared the worst of their effects by being descended from the black sheep and younger sons who gradually moved out to the frontier and away from the centers of wealth and power.

But now I'm looking at some of the familiar names in your list -- names like Adams and Sherman and Hyde -- and thinking there may be more to it than that.

I have a box of letters that my mother-in-law received from various cousins she was corresponding with about family genealogy back in the 1930's, and it's clear that she had very mixed feelings about one branch of her family -- her mother's father's side -- that was heavily drawn from those old Connecticut lines, including a couple of descents from royalty. I don't have her own letters, but it's apparent that she was worried about "tainted blood," because the cousin who was answering her was having to point out that she and her parents and siblings were all good people (which they were) so she shouldn't worry about it.

That was a long time ago, and I never saw the letters until after she died, so I don't know what was the real source of her concerns -- except for a certain amount of alcoholism and getting the servant girls pregnant back about 1860. I've tended to dismiss her fear of "tainted blood" as just early 20th century fantasizing.

But it's certainly true that this one family that was so massively dysfunctional was also described as "haughty" by elderly relatives who remembered them. And it's also true that the source of their haughtiness was descent from the same bunch of Skull and Bones families that anonymous picks out -- if only as poor cousins.

Finally, there's the fact that my mother-in-law went out of her way to marry a recent immigrant who had nothing in common with her own family background.

So perhaps anonymous is on to something after all.

10/21/2006 01:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Eponymous caption-meister said...

Re the photomontage caption:

The only “Nice Cave” that I know of occurs in the C.S. Lewis novel That Hideous Strength.

The novel is set in post WWI England in a small university town in which a research agency called the N.I.C.E. (National Institute for Coordinated Experiments) is situated over a subterranean cave wherein Merlin sleeps. The corporate fascists of the N.I.C.E. who seek a one-world totalitarian police state are led by fallen eldila.

One of the protagonists is a young don at the college, who is targeted for recruitment into the "objectivists," the inner circle of researchers who associate directly with diabolic intelligences. Very ambitious, he assumes that this is the invitation into a powerful elite that he has always imagined, desired and deserved.

But the real reason for recruiting him is to get control of his wife, who is plagued by disturbing, clairvoyant dreams which she lacks the wisdom to interpret. Meanwhile, the wife of the don is brought into the fold of a group led by an opposing scientist modeled after the Grail King from Parsifal, who seek to thwart the plan of the N.I.C.E.

Freudian slip? Typo? Act of God? Or did you subliminally want readers of the blog to check out this novel, which over sixty years ago prefigured almost everything that is in play today, from false flag terrorism to occult manipulations of human nature in attempting to construct a trans-national world dictatorship?

High weirdness, either way.

Btw, it is Nick Cave, I think you meant.

10/21/2006 02:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One has to distinguish between kissing the boy - definetly not part of the culture, as pointed out above, and the coarse joke. The coarse sally - it is not really a joke and not meant to be merely funny (although the polite response is a chuckle) but also mean, as everyone should be able to see. The surface humor allows Putin get in a major dig at someone he hates. It is speech, and not action, and while indelicate or inappropriate or whatever in the setting, it is permitted. Lastly, it is typically, but absolutely typically, Russian. Yes, there is a cultural difference here. Sarcasm about rape is offensive to American sensibilities (as are racist insults and jokes) - that is not so in many other places, though no doubt many Russians would today in public, say, facing a reporter, toe the global PC line and say ‘oh he should never have said that’, while making exactly the same comment in private.

Sheila

10/21/2006 04:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Contrary to popular belief.

The US was founded as a REPUBLIC, not a democracy.The founders knew democracy was mob rule,they did not trust it.

Now I know why.

I remember this clearly, I had a truly, great History teacher.

DON'T TREAD ON ME!
Live Free or Die!
Don't shoot till you see the white of their eyes.

Ethan Allan and the Green Mountain Boys exemplify what freedom really was and still is.


The history glosses over the revolution now.NOT PC

10/21/2006 08:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The Constitution is just a piece of paper" - G.W. Bush

The Constitution guarantees to every state a Republican form of government (Art. 4, Sec. 4). No state may join the United States unless it is a Republic. Our Republic is one dedicated to "liberty and justice for all." Minority individual rights are the priority. The people have natural rights instead of civil rights. The people are protected by the Bill of Rights from the majority. One vote in a jury can stop all of the majority from depriving any one of the people of his rights; this would not be so if the United States were a democracy.



In a pure democracy 51 beats 49[%]. In a democracy there is no such thing as a significant minority: there are no minority rights except civil rights (privileges) granted by a condescending majority. Only five of the U.S. Constitution's first ten amendments apply to Citizens of the United States. Simply stated, a democracy is a dictatorship of the majority. Socrates was executed by a democracy: though he harmed no one, the majority found him intolerable.

A scholar and a poet

10/21/2006 08:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

And can we stop calling those old, pompous, hypocritical wind bags the Founding Fathers? And quit quoting them, for Christ's Sake. Who gives a shit who said what? Have your own thoughts, and let them stand on their own merits without appealing to quotes from the "founding Fathers" to add weight and legitimacy.

Hey Anony, why not get your ass over to Iraq and Afghanistan like the Nietzsche reading buffoon, Tillman? It's sickening to have to sit here and watch you blow him day in a day out with your keyboard acting as your lips.

I know what I'll be doing on Pat's B'Day.....nothing extraordinary....the normal routine...wake up, big cup of freshly ground coffee, loaf pinch, breakfast....then off to feed mammon.

You go ahead and idol worship the smacked ass and continue to support the brutality in The Middle East by supporting the troops, you hypocrite.

10/21/2006 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I'm surprized no one's discussing this, but the fella who concocted the Internet Hoax about a Terrorist Plot at NFL Events is now charged and he faces 5 years in prison.

This is the beginning of the end of the Internet. It sends a strong signal. This shouldn't have even been a story.....it was a no go from the very beginning. They Cherry Picked to create an example of things to come. I've said it all along....this thing we've been experiencing in Cyberspace is only available for a limited time.....and that time is swiftly coming to an end.

Where's Pat Tillman when you need him? If only he had purchased his Brown's Gas Unit for $3,700 before heading off to kick some towel-wearing ass in Persia, he'd be with us to make a charge on Chertoff.

10/21/2006 09:43:00 AM  
Anonymous You couldn't carry his jock said...

The (ontologically unproven) "existence" of Shrubageekon, while it may not constitute a live demonstration of the 100th monkey theory, does show that fecal matter can type.

10/21/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shrub =useless idiot

I read your posts twice and you make no sense whatsoever.Or is that your point.NO POINT

10/21/2006 10:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Welcome to the Golgafrinchan Ark Ship B said...

In the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy series, we find out that the Earth was originally populated by a spaceship full of people who say they were one of three ships escaping the doomed planet of Golgafrinchan. The "A" ship carried the great leaders, scientists, and thinkers. The "C" ship carried the workers, those who actually made things.

The "B" ship, consisted of middle managers, hairdressers, telephone sanitizers, and the like. It eventually becomes clear that their planet was not in fact doomed, and that they were the victims of a ploy to rid their world of a useless third of the population.

The captain of the Golgafrinchan Ark Fleet Ship B likes to bathe with his rubber duckie, and can't seem to remember how or why the members of the Ark Ship B were selected. Becoming frustrated with the crew's manifest stupidity at one point, Arthur cries out, "You're all a lot of useless, raving, loonies!"

The captain responds, "Yes. That was it."

10/21/2006 10:34:00 AM  
Blogger RDR said...

"Contrary to popular belief.

The US was founded as a REPUBLIC, not a democracy.The founders knew democracy was mob rule,they did not trust it."

Oh man, not more of this corn pone...

The definition of "republic" does not exclude any role for "democracy." And the definition of "democracy" does not reduce simply to "popular rule by the majority."

Typically, when I hear this selective semantic framing, it's from some literal thinker who, having defined the terms to make supporters of a "republic" the "defenders of liberty" vs. the supporters of "democracy" being the "advocates of mob rule", goes on to apply it to America's two political parties, the Republicans and the Democrats. As if that were the heart of the difference between the two...

If you paid serious attention to American history, you'd know that it contains times and places where individual rights were championed, and other times and places where individual rights were suppressed; and times and places where the tyranny of the majority kept those of low staus reppressed and exploited, and times and places when the majority consent of the people worked responsibly to govern the country.

If the founders of the country had such a horror of democracy, they simply would have governed as kings and princes.

Sometimes when I hear the stale pontification about "a republic- not a democracy", I think that what the person wants to get at is the idea that the true meaning of the Constitution is that a small aristocratic minority deserves protection from having any of its power or privileges challenged by their countryfolk (the mob.) The Constitution was definitely influenced by that strain of thought- it comprises one of the major debates in the Federalist Papers- but it's hardly the core meaning of the final document, which granted a lot more power to "the consent of the governed", i.e. democratic input, than the "republic vs. democracy" oversimplifiers out there acknowledge.

Furthermore, if the Constitution were a perfected and completed document, this country would still be laboring under disgraces to human dignity like the "3/5 compromise."

This country is a work in progress- hopefully. Although that's questionable, considering the Bush administration's evisceration of the Bill of Rights- a part of the Constitution that really was intended to encode respect for individual freedom. And that would be freedom for ALL, a truly "democratic" principle that applies to everyone, not merely a popular electoral or legislative majority, or an aristocracy of privileged by birth, or to the rich.

Inalienable rights are inherently DEMOCRATIC- they're intended to apply to EVERYONE. I can't figure out how it is that the so-called "republic" supporters who disdain "democracy" by equating it to mob rule can't seem to wrap their minds around that concept.

Some of the Rights guaranteed in the Bill can be revoked by the courts upon conviction for a criminal offense- but those courts are intended to operate under the protections of the Bill Of Rights. Although it should be obvious that the Bush administration and its supporters in Congress have no respect for that idea, and have recently passed and signed legislation that throws most of the Bill Of Rights in the wastebasket. They've done this with "majority rule", incidentally, speaking of the "tyranny of the majority."

10/21/2006 11:42:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

There is much appropriate sentiment in Joe Bageant's Thank Heaven for 7-Eleven essay, including this:

Mercifully enough, the same predatory American capitalism that generates so much of the world's misery renders its own citizens irrelevant save for their purchasing power, to the entire process and therefore guiltless -- in their own minds at least -- of the empire's crimes. Such is the unburdened material happiness granted us. It is not hard for Americans to conclude that we are outside of, and therefore irrelevant to global events or changes. We are waaaaay over here on this vast continent with only a media generated holograph to tell us who we are as a people and as individuals. And it tells us we foremost are citizens of a state which suffers no diversion from profitability. The vast majority of Americans don't even know there is a global reality, except in the sense that the price of gasoline is affected by some swarthy peoples living in a sandy place full of terrorists somewhere else on the globe. We know the price of gas and we know what we are going to rent at the video store on Friday. We know what we will eat at the restaurant on Saturday and when the game is televised on Sunday. Personally, I also know that four blocks from where I sit writing this an old man named Virgil pulled one of his own teeth last week because he cannot afford a dentist. Rather than kick out a little dough Virgil's way, I poured a shot of Woodford Reserve and was grateful I have dental insurance. Being "grateful for what we have" is the time honored American mantra used to mask denial.

Thus we express gratitude for what the corpocracy bestows us, convinced that we are flourishing in those big box store isles of Kansas or in the soft leather booths of the martini bar off Central Park, depending upon one's class. It only took a couple of generations to accept and then enjoy the reduced humanity but increased flood of material stuff as a bona fide life experience. Beat off to internet porn and NFL football while the wife sleeps alone. The state generated hologram IS reality. Reality IS the image, not the flesh. It's true of all of us. I have done it and still do it. I know. And you more than likely do too. Let's not kid ourselves here.

Even as the empire is coming down around us all very few can possibly believe it. Why should they? Nothing seems to have changed their particular religious or political camps. Literate and thoughtful liberals can still watch Brit coms and send their kids to Shakespeare camp. Less than literate Fox Network watching worker bee Republicans can still sup on the easy piety of cross and flag…ogle Anne Coulter's boney ass. And Joe Six-pack still scratches his belly in irrelevance as the elites of two political priesthoods struggle, one to get their mitts deeper into the national treasury, the other to convince us that Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden actually have blood in their veins. The next elections, both parties tell us, will determine the fate of our nation. Really? Regardless of who wins, Joe Six-pack will lose. Virgil will lose. The rest of us will continue being carried along by the media hologram of political lies and profitable illusions that hold it all together. Today I read a news story about how the massacre of Iraqi families in Hidatha "traumatized" our heroes. What do you call a republic that dishes up such shit up to its citizens? What do you call the citizens who mindlessly swallow it? What do you call people who do not march in the streets and start fires in protest of a horrific regime that guts small democracies, slaughters whole families and villages abroad and rigs the ballot boxes at home? What do you call such deniers of the obvious? Of course we can safely call the latter modern Democrats, but that is another story.


(This is just an excerpt--the rest has even more flavor...)

10/21/2006 11:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From WMR;
'October 20/21/22, 2006 -- Pagegate swamps two additional female GOP House members. Scandal becoming political equivalent of a general alarm fire. WMR has received further confirmation that Pagegate details were revealed by U.S. intelligence and law enforcement members as a last resort to ensure the defeat of GOP members of Congress who have been blackmailed over the years for their involvement in pederasty or covering it up. In fact, some of the members targeted were originally blackmailed by CIA-connected elements tied to child prostitution as far back as the 1960s. The blackmail was always held in reserve as an insurance policy for elements tied to "the Agency," which have now found it necessary to exercise their "options."

A number of past and present GOP members of the House Page Board have been implicated in the growing scandal. It has been reported that current Page Board member Rep. Heather Wilson of New Mexico covered up her husband's own brush with the law over "inappropriate contact with a minor" in 1996. Rep. Wilson, while Secretary of the New Mexico Children, Youth and Families Department, managed to cover up the incident involving the16-year old boy and her husband. And in what amounts to further chutzpah on the part of the House GOP, Wilson served on the Caucus for Missing and Exploited Children under its one-time chairman, Mark Foley.

However, caucuses and boards devoted to exploited children, as well as other seemingly "youth development and protection" organizations, have been used by the GOP and Religious Right to mask a pedophile and pederasty agenda.

Wilson is not the only member of the House Page Board who has been covering up for the pederasts who have served on it. Rep. Sue Kelly of New York was Chairwoman of the Board from 1999 to 2001, along with former Chair (who Kelly succeeded) Jim Kolbe of Arizona. Kolbe is under investigation by both the House Ethics Committee and the Justice Department for alleged inappropriate contact with two male pages during a July 4, 1996 camping trip to the Grand Canyon. Under Kelly's Page Board chairmanship, a page approached Kolbe in 2000 with allegations concerning Foley. Nothing was done in what was a close election year.

Neither did Kelly investigate allegations from a page in 1999 that Foley was stalking him and another incident in 2000 when Foley showed up at the Page dormitory in a drunken state and tried to gain entry.

Kelly, like Missouri Rep. Jo Ann Emerson, now want to make their past memberships of the House Page Board simply disappear. Kelly even ran away from a televised debate with her Democratic opponent John Hall. And Emerson will not respond to her Democratic opponent, Veronica Hambacker, about why Emerson lied when she said she was never a member of the House Page Board. Emerson was a member during Session 1 of the 106th Congress, during the time of allegations against Foley and three years after the incident involving her then Board chairman, Kolbe.

In addition, to past and current Page Board members Wilson, Kelly, and Emerson, other GOP members of the House and Senate are embroiled in the sex scandal. WMR has learned that the GOP for a number of years has used pipelines like the House and Senate page systems, political indoctrination organizations like the College Republicans, juvenile "diversion programs," and religious-connected political groups like to groom young men for the predatory sexual appetites of older male GOP members of Congress. The Pennsylvania College Republicans, founded by current Rep. Phil English with the support of current Sen. Rick Santorum, appears to be one such "recruitment" center.

GOP recruits underage male and female sex partners beyond the congressional page programs.

But it is not just young men who are groomed by the GOP predators. Republican Rep. Jerry Weller of Illinois, who is married to the daughter of Guatemalan ex-dictator (and fundamentalist Christian) Gen. Efrain Rios Montt, is rumored to have conducted an illicit affair with a 16-year old female page. This comes at a time when the United States and John Bolton, a supporter of Rios Montt, are attempting to sway the United Nations into electing Guatemala to the UN Security Council. Former CIA officials, well aware of the human rights abuses by past and current members of Guatemala's oligarchy, have leaked information on Weller, former CIA Director Porter Goss, and others to point out that the agency, as far back as the 1960s when Goss served as a Latin American CIA agent, routinely used Mexican and Guatemalan female teens to entrap U.S. and foreign political figures. The "outing" of right-wing Republican Weller, the son-in-law of Rios Montt and champion of Guatemala's oligarchy, as a predator, is no coincidence. It is meant to shine a light on this old blackmail network during a time when Goss' name and those of jailed Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, Kyle "Dusty" Foggo, Brant "Nine Fingers" Bassett, and ADCS contractor Brent Wilkes have arisen again during a House Intelligence Committee investigation of Shirlington Limousine and the transport of young prostitutes of both sexes to "poker parties" at the Watergate and Westin Hotels in Washington, DC. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Peter Hoesktra, Goss's replacement, seems more interested in covering up this scandal than in discovering the truth.

WMR has been informed of a major scandal in this respect concerning the GOP candidate for Governor of Florida. We have learned that Florida GOP politicians have targeted underage male employees of theme parks in the Orlando/Kissimmee area for long-term sexual relationships.'

10/21/2006 11:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The vast majority of Americans don't even know there is a global reality, except in the sense that the price of gasoline is affected by some swarthy peoples living in a sandy place full of terrorists somewhere else on the globe. We know the price of gas and we know what we are going to rent at the video store on Friday. We know what we will eat at the restaurant on Saturday and when the game is televised on Sunday.

10/21/2006 11:57:00 AM  
Anonymous This is your mind on shrubs said...

The vast majority of Americans don't even know there is a global reality, except in the sense that the price of gasoline is affected by some swarthy peoples living in a sandy place full of terrorists somewhere else on the globe. We know the price of gas and we know what we are going to rent at the video store on Friday. We know what we will eat at the restaurant on Saturday and when the game is televised on Sunday.

10/21/2006 11:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

IC quotes Joe Bageant:

"Today I read a news story about how the massacre of Iraqi families in Hidatha "traumatized" our heroes. What do you call a republic that dishes up such shit up to its citizens?"

What do you call it? You call it the US of A! After reading a Stan Goff essay on rising American fascism, I checked out the Soldier of Fortune website (not the game, the mag): Holy Psychopath, batman! That site makes Faux News look like the Polly Pockets Fashion Advisory!

Here's a clip from the Goff piece:

"Last year, after a homemade video “escaped” (a la “Hadji Girl”… these folks seem to be proud of themselves) showing so-called security contractors in an SUV driving down an Iraqi highway with Elvis music blasting as they shot cars off the road for sport, the blogs began distributing it. In December, the Washington Post finally ran a story on it. Only then did the military even comment on the video, which they said they would investigate. Nothing has come of this alleged investigation. What did surface, however, once the media decided it was worth a closer look, is that this kind of colonial impunity is routinely exercised by contractors, who are little more than extremely well paid thugs, and is not covered by either Iraqi law or the U.S. Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Because the salaries of these contractors are routinely above $100,000 a year, with all expenses paid on site, the military itself, especially Special Operations, has had to steeply increase reenlistment bonuses ( some as high as $150,000 in a single lump sum), to partially stem the exodus of Special Ops troops into the lucrative world of corporate mercenaries.

This is a world unto itself, a culture obsessed with death, firearms and racial-purity doctrines. One need only page through the periodicals of this subculture, the most widely circulated being Soldier of Fortune magazine, to find these preoccupations between the articles and ads like a toxic salad. The glue holding them together is gun culture. Gun culture is not an obscure fringe, but a very mainstream, widely popular subculture that taps directly into another key component of fascism: martial masculinity."

SoF is such a blatant rah-rah "kill the ragheads" rag that it defies parody. Even General JC Christian couldn't lampoon these guttersnipe.
Now that Merle Haggard his own self has become anti-Bush, Blackwater mercs are the new Okies from Fenokee, keeping the campfires burning in our communal charnel house.

As for Bageant, although he's a good, spot-on writer, the constant withering dyspepsia became something of a bringdown, at least for me. Twain's pen, too, could be "dipped in hell," but always there was the countervailing chuckle. Bageant is like Hunter Thompson plumb run out of Zoloft, or .45 ACP.

I always take Wayne Madsen with a grain of salt, but the piece quoted above, which seems to be good reportage on the Republican pedocrapic disintegration, gives one hope. Unless Chris Floyd's/Dave Lindorf's thesis about "Remember the Eisenhower" is correct, it looks like the Augean stables are about to get doused with a little Clorox (gotta capitalize the BRAND NAMES, after all!).

They might even resurrect the Habeas Corpse. What a victory for the terrorists THAT would be!

(To the tune of Purple Haze)

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the Never Ending War
Bush is trampling on our rights
Using Cheney's wrathful sword
Rummy hath loosed the hateful lightning
Of his twisted smirking gourd
Their lies are marching on


Gory, Gory Fallujah...
etc.

As he lied about Mark Foley
Let us fight to make men free
While we're still allowed to VOTE...

10/21/2006 01:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Positronix said...

"What is a poor kid to do faced with dealing drugs/jail or military."

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My father served in the Army during the Korean War and told me that many of the soldiers he served alongside with were in the Army as an alternative to prison. Several Vietnam-era vets have told me they've served with military members who were told by a judge, "Join the Military, or go to jail."

Can courts still do that? Can a criminal court judge sentence a person to military service as an alternative to jail. Can a prosecutor mandate that someone join the military as an alternative to criminal prosecution?

Well, a judge or prosecutor can do whatever they please (within the limits of the law for their jurisdiction), but -- that doesn't mean the military branches are required to accept such people and -- they don't.

The Army addresses this issue in the Army Recruiting Regulation, Army Regulation 601-210, paragraph 4-8b: "Applicant who, as a condition for any civil conviction or adverse disposition or any other reason through a civil or criminal court, is ordered or subjected to a sentence that implies or imposes enlistment into the Armed Forces of the United States is not eligible for enlistment.."

The Air Force Recruiting Regulation, AETCI 36-2002, table 1-1, lines 7 and 8, makes an applicant ineligible for enlistment if they are "released from restraint, or civil suit, or charges on the condition of entering military service, if the restraint, civil suit, or criminal charges would be reinstated if the applicant does not enter military service."

The Marine Corps Recruiting Regulation, MCO P1100.72B, Chapter 3, Section 2, Part H, Paragraph 12 states: "Applicants may not enlist as an alternative to criminal prosecution, indictment, incarceration, parole, probation, or other punitive sentence.
They are ineligible for enlistment until the original assigned sentence would have been completed."

In the Coast Guard, enlistment prohibition is contained in the Coast Guard Recruiting Manual, M1100.2D, Table 2-A.

Interestingly, the Navy Recruiting Manual, COMNAVCRUITCOMINST 1130.8F, does not appear to contain any provisions which would make such applicants ineligible for enlistment. However, I've been informed by several Navy recruiters that the Navy will not accept applicants for service, as an alternative to criminal prosecution or other punitive sentence.

Recruiter Participation in Criminal Proceedings

All of the branch's recruiting regulations prohibit military recruiters from becoming involved in criminal proceedings for any military applicant.

Under no circumstances may recruiting personnel intervene or appear on behalf of prospective applicants/DEPpers pending civil action with court authorities. Civil action is defined as awaiting trial, awaiting sentence, or on supervised conditional probation/parole. Waiver of this restriction is not authorized. The following are clarifications:

a. Recruiting personnel may not appear in court or before probation or parole authorities under any circumstances on behalf of any applicant or DEPper.

b. Informal conversations with defense attorneys or probation or parole officers must be limited to explaining the military's recruitment policies. Recruiting personnel may give no opinions or suggestions to enable an unqualified applicant to enlist. They must allow the normal course of civil action to occur without assistance or intervention.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/joinprison.htm

10/21/2006 02:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

You couldn't carry his jock said...

You're right, I couldn't, nor would I want to, but, even if one would want to, they'd have a difficult time separating it from your nose without a Brown's Gas Unit.

Richard, please start posting again. Don't let this Anony, Blackwater, Poindexter Darpa Boy loser get the upper hand. He's a cowardly twit who thinks it's funny to call the President an idiot and a sphincter.....and come to think of it, so do I...think it's funny that when he insults the name, he insults the Prez.

Pretty slick thinking on my part....wasn't it? Cossing the name, I mean?

10/21/2006 02:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

In all fairness, I think IC meant that the grunts come mainly from the ranks of the poor, and the prospects for the poor are meager. A significant percentage of them either wind up in jail, hooked on drugs, or recruited into the military. Sometimes they can do all three at different times.

Either way, I do not support the soldiers.....only those who refuse to carry out their orders. To do otherwise, is to support the death and mayhem they perpetuate at the behest of Bathory's contemporaries.

10/21/2006 02:42:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Oarwell,
You're right; Joe does burn the brain and heavy the heart with his merciless insight, and I, too, was put off my Bageant for a while, but I had a strange little interlude with Joe (via email) that has balanced the load for me again. A few months back here at RI, I was criticizing old Joe's apparent pessimism vis a vis the consciousness project I was shamelessly pimping. Some astute poster quoted from Joe's brilliant, really brilliant The Simulacran Republic, which ends with this:

It is difficult for people to grasp that we are in an age of corporate dominion just as we were once in an age of domination by royal families, kings and warlords. Somehow it is hard to equate our tribute rendered to the credit card companies, the insurance companies, the IRS, the power cartels, the mortgage banks, with the kind of bondage it is. Yet we must do these things to be allowed to live in society. The only other choice is to sleep under a bridge. And these days, whether due to an on-setting depression or creeping wisdom, I often contemplate just that. I really do. Of course I understand that even under a bridge one cannot escape the hologram’s blue flicker issuing from a hundred million encroaching suburban windows. But like I said, there are still a few of us old bastards out here who remember. And we can still hear the cry of the thrush echoing, still out there shattering galaxies. Freedom is possible.

I thought, okay, Joe, but it's not bloody likely, is it? Pushing my own agenda, I laid into Joe's low-level optimism, but then later I felt some remorse at bashing such a fine mind. So, I wrote to Joe, extending multitudinous apologies, and Joe responded with very good grace. I was able to talk to him about this obsession of mine and found that he does still believe. We're all just waiting for some signal event--not another nasty relevation or police state encroachment, but something other, opposite from that all-consuming trend.

That's when another Rigorous inmate introduced Paul Hawkens' Blessed Unrest project, which is a book, a film, and a movement. The first two are due out any day now, while the movement has been building steam ever since the Seattle WTO protests (or even earlier if you look at first causes...) The thing about this Blessed Unrest is that it's not an organized political movenment--no leaders, no demands, platforms, strategies, as all these can be corrupted. It's something very, very different from all that's gone before it; literally something new under the sun. The spontaneous uprising: a simple yet passionate rejection of all the things that are wrong with how the world is being run (into the ground).

I don't really know where this thing is headed and I'm not sure that Hawkens does either (when I wrote to him, he gave me the impression that he was just observing something outside anyone's conscious control), but steam is gathering and pressure will out. In the meantime, here's a further pertinent impertinence, Joe's message translated into the cheesiest of American media,the musical. Featuring the Asylum Street Spankers, and brought to you by what was "your"(?) tube, (4 min.) this is especially good for those of us who hate musicals, but I suppose even those in the other camp, the camp camp, might find it amusing and informative in a self-deprecating kind of way. Which is not to say that Joe can't be funny. If you read the whole 7-eleven essay you'll see what I mean.

10/21/2006 02:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I have no idea what cossing means....so please don't bother to ask.

10/21/2006 02:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I'm feeling really optimistic today. It looks like the Republicans are going to lose control of Congress to the Dems and Hillary Goldwater Clinton will be President in '09, so there's light at the end of this long, tumultuous tunnel.

We will have those halcion days again. Can't you just smell it!!

Let's all embrace and welcome the fresh air that's about to sweep our great land!!

10/21/2006 03:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

Mea culpa, IC, I was the poster who brought 'The Simulacran Republic' to the board, back when they called me annoyi ... anonymous. I think I even took you to task for questioning Joe's pessimism, because of that last line ... IC things have come full circle.

I watched the musical ... love the sarcasm, but ShaZAAM, Sargeant, not all agree, like this sputtering dement:

grammasprecious (1 day ago)
This video is an affront to the efforts of American, Canadian, and any other military troups stationed overseas in the countries mentioned in the video. Men and women put their lives and limbs at risk every day for those of us at home and this is NO JOKE! I see no humour in this video at all."

I'm sure gramma doesn't find much humor in anything outside of the Lawrence Welk show, or her "precious's" antics (gotta be a cat, right?). Love to be lumped with "those of us at home." Like I need their help fighting the bearded men. I'm surrounded every day by hordes of illegal aliens, mowing the lawns, pouring the cement: what use those legions to this homeboy?

[Oddly, Goo Tube couples "stick a magnetic ribbon" with Frank Zappa's "Honey, Dont You Want a Man Like Me." Go figure.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXz1pbwjMKU&NR

"And that's the end of the story." I am still puzzling over this part of Bageant's "7-11" rant: "These people aren't stupid. They're simply Americans."

And if we had ham, we could have ham and eggs, if we had eggs.

10/21/2006 04:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RDR, you're back:

* Gender: male
* Occupation: researcher
* Location: McLean : Virginia : United States

You never answered my question. From your blog information, you seem very much a disgruntled, honest, intelligence operative:

Friday, June 10, 2005
My Personal Policy Statement On Drug Law Reform
Originally posted by yours truly on Narconews.com, issue 12, June 12, 2005:

...


your blog:
http://realitytestservice.blogspot.com/2005/06/my-personal-policy-statement-on-drug.html

or your other blog a year later:

Saturday, April 08, 2006
DEA Administrator Karen Tandy: Intentional Deception As Propaganda
An Open Letter To The Washington Post, 4/3/06

Dear Editors:

The letter that you published by DEA Administrator Karen Tandy on March 29, "A Drug Dealer's Toll On Americans", contains several misleading statements offered as support for her advocacy for continued criminalization of marijuana. Link


http://anothercounty.blogspot.com/2006/04/dea-administrator-karen-tandy.html

Declare yourself.

Who are you?

You still have yet to answer what you research in McLean, Virginia, home of the CIA? From your blog, I note that you have gone home to take care of your stroke victim father it seems.

Tuesday, January 31, 2006
Hiatus
I've been taking leave from posting for quite a while. Primary reason: I've moved cros-country to my parents home in order to help with the care of my father, who has become increasingly incapacitated from strokes he suffered several years ago. He's now a bad patient, receiving around-the-clock care. I've taken over some of the work myself, principally on the night shift. It's been a process of adjustment for me, and it's taken a lot of my attention. However, I plan to return to posting here on a regular basis.

However, I may move my Drug War history project off-line for now, in favor of offering ongoing media commentary and critique.

http://realitytestservice.blogspot.com/2006/01/hiatus.html

Thus, not that your necessarily evil by association, just that your bosses are...

Here's a few things to research for you. Still I don't really understand what you have of interest in the drug war living once in McLean, Virginia, home of the CIA.

Even your potential compatriots who left the CIA would agree. Do you have that kind of courage, RDR? I hope so. From that link:

I knew John right about the time he wrote this book and also met his family. The reviewer who suggested that he might be part of a CIA program in writing this book is way, way off. This man has put himself (and his family) in a very scary position and he deserves a lot of credit for coming out with the truths he knows. I knew him and did some work for him for about a year and I also knew someone else that had known him for decades. John Stockwell deserves many kudos for his courage and integrity in coming out with what he knows. You can believe the book. I hope he will come out with more.

You can see what a real CIA pro-democracy kind of person looks like here as well-- three minute intro, six minutes of Stockwell.

I'm sure you know about Stockwell at this stage.

How do CIA workers handle such information? Are you attempting to tell us that they are all for the legalization of drugs like yourself?

Can you tell us?

Because I'm appalled that I don't see you really doing your job of protecting the U.S. Constitution or its national interests? Your organization seems to be the main one dismantling both.

Do you gripe about it? Do you just put your head down and pretend it's not real? How do you cope? How did they ever recruit someone with Constitutional democracy loyalties into the CIA like yourself?

Do you at times think you are another Victor Ostrovsky about to leave the intelligence business because you see it harming your country more than helping it?

"Intelligence agencies should never try to ban books about themselves. Like Peter Wright's Spycatcher (Penguin USA, 1987), which was suppressed in Britain , this book on Israel's legendary spy organization by a former Mossad katsa or case officer has ended up on the New York Times best seller list. Among the controversial revelations that led Israel to seek a ban (which was quickly overturned in the United States and Canada) is Ostrovsky's charge that the Mossad refused to share knowledge of a planned suicide mission in Beirut, resulting in the deaths of 241 U.S. Marines in 1983....This book is best read along with its followup, The Other Side of Deception. The author is/was a true patriot who was honored to serve his country. He reveals many thrilling tales of derring-do, the grinding routine of spycraft and his shock and disillusionment with the personal corruption and immorality of many fellow agents. According to the author, the Mossad nominally answers only to the Prime Minister but often acts on its own agenda and in many cases against the interests of Israel and any prospects for peace.

For the U.S. version of this, sort of sounds like Kay Griggs you know? There's another great source for you to research about yourself. The intelligence services are "all about creating contexts for weapons sales, it's all about creating drug sales."--i.e., expanding warfare as a profitable industry--and nothing to do with national security at this stage.

To post so cogently above on the U.S. Constitution in the abstract, do you protect it in action? If you have really done your 'research' what do you make off all this?

I see you're not like the grunts in the Nazi Party who knew Hitler was a raving idiot though went about their lives anyway cataloging Jews and other in the White Rose to be filed away--secure job, they probabaly thought. Do you feel that way?

Then of course there is always Valerie Plame whose price for 'research loyalty' to the U.S. was........Bush, Cheney, and Rove wanted to have her killed. You know the Bushes want to kill CIA people ( "Valerie Plame"). I believe its a ten year automatic felony sentence for what they have already admitted to have done--out a CIA officer. Still nothing happens. Doesn't that make your feel sort of like you are working for the wrong organization?

You assuredly know of CIA people promoted after 9-11, promoted only because they were traitors and accessory before the fact to terrorists in New York City and the Pentagon. Loyalists like yourself were hounded out.

What effect on job loyalty has all this high level treason in the past mere five years done in the CIA?

And surely you 'researched' this?

There was still job security for Nazis after 1945 since many joined your organization, the CIA, from 1947. Project Paperclip and all that.

RDR, what do you have to say about this 'research'? That your organization is an extension of the Third Reich, imported illegally into the United States?

Or what do you have to say about Wayne Madsen, ex-NSA?

Or what do you have to say about the whole drug-trade-sex-child-prostitution-pedophilia
thing? Surely you're research has found its linked indelibly to your little DC suburb of McLean.

These videos are for everyone-- dealing with Project Paperclip:

VIDEOS: Cathy O'Brien & Mark Phillips: CIA Mind Control & drug/kiddie porn to White House

So RDR, hats off to you.

I hope you're out there, in action, on the side of the Valerie Plames out there--saving the U.S. Constitution you seem to love in print (above). (You said what I wanted to say actually).

There is a treasonous war on U.S. freedoms--and it's coming from your boss in the intelligence service and false flag terrorism conducted by your bosses.


Personally, I'm looking forward to more useful pro-democratic leaks out there from the copious files of the CIA. I can't think of another purpose for the CIA right now than to dismantle fascism that has cropped up in the United States. However, at the same moment it is your organization that faciliated this for 50 years. From Stockwell's point of view, that's pretty much all that the CIA has ever done--expand and protect international fascism and WWII Nazi networks and their view of the world.

A little background on the CIA for everyone about McLean:

Where is the Central Intelligence Agency's headquarters? Is it in Langley or McLean, Virginia?

Technically, you could say CIA headquarters is in both. "Langley" is the name of the McLean neighborhood in which the CIA resides.

The town of McLean was founded in 1910, but before then, the area where CIA Headquarters is located was known as Langley.

In 1719, Thomas Lee purchased a tract of land from the sixth Lord Fairfax (for whom Fairfax County, the county in which McLean is located, was named), and he named it "Langley" after his ancestral home in England.

Though Lee never lived on the land, the Langley area soon became home to many European settlers. A few were wealthy people whom England had granted land, and they established large plantations in the area.

During the War of 1812, President James Madison and his wife Dolley fled the British siege of Washington to the safety of family and friends in Langley. Langley was a Union stronghold in Virginia, a southern state, during the Civil War and had two forts, Camp Griffin and Camp Pierpont, which housed soldiers who helped protect Washington.

With the building of the Great Falls & Old Dominion Railroad, 1903 was a defining year for Langley.

[Pre-Mockingbird "Mockingbird":] John McLean, president of Washington Gas Light Company and, later, editor of the Washington Post, and Senator Stephen B. Elkins of West Virginia collaborated on construction of a railroad which would bring vacationing Washingtonians to nearby Great Falls and provide people who worked in Washington the choice of living outside of the city.

In 1906, the railroad began operating, and the population of Langley and nearby Lewinsville quickly grew.

In 1910, the post offices of these towns closed and, named for the man who helped the area grow, a new post office named "McLean" was opened.

In 1959, the Federal government broke ground for the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters.

Construction was completed in 1961, adding another chapter to McLean's long history.

Despite the name change in 1910 [to McLean], the name "Langley" still lingers to describe the McLean neighborhood where the CIA is located.

Source:
Ellis, Rafaela "A Community Called McLean"

https://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/faq.html

And it's where you live(d) and worked as a 'researcher.'

Where's your line in the sand?

I suppose all I'm saying is that your organization has let us all down, RDR. I'm sure it has let you down as well. I'm sure there are successes you can't talk about, though the open failures at the links above are more damning. As the soon to be assassinated Martin Luther King said, "there is no true dissapointment, where there is not true love."

Peace to you, and your father. There are several aged members of my family who have had incapacitating strokes.

Chime in about your drug 'research' if you want.

10/21/2006 05:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

starroute wrote:

I'm interested in your Skull & Bones family tree. As I've said here before, my husband has many of these same lines in his background, but seems to have been spared the worst of their effects...But now I'm looking at some of the familiar names in your list -- names like Adams and Sherman and Hyde -- and thinking there may be more to it than that.

1. I don't quite follow what you mean by "and thinking there may be more to it than that." Than what? It's hard to pull our your unsaid assumption here.

"I have a box of letters that my mother-in-law received from various cousins she was corresponding with about family genealogy back in the 1930's, and it's clear that she had very mixed feelings about one branch of her family...that was heavily drawn from those old Connecticut lines, including a couple of descents from royalty. I don't have her own letters [i.e. that were the origin of her inquiries to these cousins, that led to the cousins' responses she coveted to collate and keep together to be passed down to her son], but it's apparent that she was worried [in the original inquiries about some issue that even the responders didn't even name in response, you are saying?]....I never saw the [cousins' response] letters until after she died [so she hid the information from her son--your husband--while she was alive, you are saying?], so I don't know what was the real source of her concerns -- except for a certain amount of alcoholism and getting the servant girls pregnant back about 1860."

2. If you don't know the source of her concerns, why do you use the phrase "tainted blood"? Is this a phrase you are using in passing, as a euphemism? Or are the cousins' response letters using the same phrase "tainted blood"?

3. Did she tell her son (your husband) while she was alive about her concerns or these letters? Or did she hide the letters from him?

4. One suggestion is that she was obviously worried about her passing something to her son, I presume, something behavioral or genetic that she didn't know how would be passed on either? (These letters written before DNA discovered/found remember).

5. From your reconstruction, if you were to write the original letter of inquiry, what do you think your mother-in-law said based on all the different triangulating responses she got to the same question?

10/21/2006 05:44:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Oarwell,
Time (and events) do tend to spiral, don't they? In the spirit of Joe's refusal of my mea culpa, I also reject yours--no offense will I take on this or any other board. It is interestingly ironic that even though you feel oppressed by the weight of Joe's world, it was you who brought me back into it. Hah! What larks!

Not sure about the Goo Tube couple thing, or how they got Uncle Frank to beribbon them ("...but the battery's dead...and she gives him some head" is what precedes "and that's the end of the story.") I do, however, have a guess about Joe's ham & eggs statement "These people aren't stupid. They're simply Americans." It has to do with consensual reality and our state of denial, which he explains to his Dutch friend, Bram, who also doesn't understand how we can be as we are:

My Dutch friend Bram is mystified at our denial, which he says "is spooky." "How can anyone sustain such a thing?" Well, it's easy when you are born numb. Most of us born under American extremist capitalism are inured to its sheer brutality. To Americans, it's just the way things are. The world is a tough place. We agree that god has blessed us; we deserve what we have and let it go at that. Citizens born under the Third Reich felt the same way about their consensual reality. Not many of us can grasp the national hubris involved, thanks to the heady patrio-religious mythology of American exceptionalism in which we were spawned and educated in preparation for adulthood as citizens of the consumer state."

Infinitely adaptable and anxious to dispel our dissonance, we have been taught to engage in prolonged and serial denial (and detachment from the fact that even our clothes are made by people who are not free, the better to serve our "need.")

10/21/2006 06:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On our continuing theme of psychopathology, intergenerational families, and high appointed political power:

starroute wrote:

...But now I'm looking at some of the familiar names in your list -- names like Adams and Sherman and Hyde...

And so am I for a moment:

What is interesting is three bits of information:

1. First, that if you search for word instances in the leaked Bones roster for these three surnames of Bonesmen members you get instances like this:

Adams 9
Sherman 1
Hyde 6

That's surnames of Bonesmen with these names. Moreover, you have an instance of lots of Adams in Bones that are not in the Bones family tree mind you. (AT least not yet: this may figure actually with much of the oppositional stance of President Adams to secret societies he opined in the early 1800s, if they are of these Adams. (It's happened before: the Pierces that that George H. W. Bush married--Barbara Pierce--are lineal descendants of President Pierce for instance. Keep your eye on the family ball in high U.S. politics.)

Others say that the Adams were of their own different group anyway, just "not joiners" of others societies.

President John Quincy Adams

Adams struggled to abolish slavery during his term in office-- and in doing so, he came into conflict with the fiercest proponents of slavery, [who seemed him to be] the masons. President John Quincy Adams concluded in his Address to the People of Massachusetts:

"I saw a code of Masonic legislation adapted to prostrate every principle of equal justice and to corrupt every sentiment of virtuous feeling in the soul of him who bound his allegiance to it.... I saw the practice of common honesty, the kindness of Christian benevolence, even the abstinence of atrocious crimes; limited exclusively by lawless oaths and barbarous penalties, to the social relations between the Brotherhood and the Craft. I saw slander organize into a secret, widespread and affiliated agency....I saw self-invoked imprecations of throats cut from ear to ear, of hearts and vitals torn out and cast off and hung on spires. I saw wine drunk from a human skull with solemn invocation of all the sins of its owner upon the head of him who drank it."

Hardly a quote that most U.S. historians pass on to their students by President Adams.


Hyde is another family outside of the Bones family tree (caveat of 'yet' once more--remember the 'tree' is a version--a growing thing based on ongoing research. Hyde has yet to turn up in any of the lines mentioned above in the tree so far, even though six of their members are Bonesmen.

2. Second bit of intersting information. This is the total number of entries mentioning Sherman, Hyde, and Adams in the Bones roster, which is different than the total number of surnames and can be a clue to relationships:

Adams 14 (up from 9)
Sherman 16 (up from 1)
Hyde 10 (up from 6)

However, there are no instances of these three names appearing against each other's entries. Mostly entries of them joining family firms, or instances of middle names of other people related to them, that become Bonesmen, and the number of instances expand this way.

3. And this is the total instances of words Adams, Sherman, and Hyde just in themselves when searched (i.e., after assembling the three separate searches and searching them instead of as separate lists, searching them from additional cross links between them):

Adams 18
Sherman 17
Hyde 16

However, at least in the short thumbnail sketches of the Bones roster, there is still nothing namesake linking these three families on the surface.

It's just double entries of the word appearing in the previous expanded numbers of instances, or things like Bonesman Robert *Day (S&B, 1875) becoming proprietor of the *Hyde Park Hotel in Chicago, and it turns up in the search, which actually may mean something--because (humorously) that hotel soon after burned up in the late 1870s...perhaps as soon as Bonseman Day became Proprietor.

And we quickly get to high federal politics by looking into the Hyde Park Hotel once more:

Widowed wife of President Lincoln, Mary Todd Lincoln sold her "Washington Street furniture to the Hyde Park Hotel for $2094.50" back in the 1860s. She had stayed there for 2.5 months after 1865, on 300 acres of land with the hotel, owned by someone named "Cornell." There's only one 1915 Cornell surnamed Bonesman, though the Cornell University was basically started by and for Bonesmen, off the land grant money for founding such instituions--which Bonesmen dominated in CT and NY for over a generation, funnelling it to their own sponsored universities of Yale and Cornell and letting no one else have state funds for 30 years.

As an aside, though a big one, Lincoln's northern army was built from Civil War Bonesmen in the higher generalships.

Bonesmen were the military financial oversight paymasters of the U.S. Civil War on the Northern side:

Bonesmen civil war paymasters

"Coon, John " 1847 x Industrial 7/28/1822 NY 9/24/1908 MI "Mngr, Rocky Mt Oil Co. Pueblo CO; Paymaster, Union Army, Civil War"

"Allen, Walter" 1863 x Literary Work 03/21/40 MA 2/7/1907 MA "Editor NY World; Acting Asst Paymaster, USN, Civil War"

"Bull, Cornelius Wade " 1863 x B Medicine 4/8/1839 FL 5/19/1876 CT "Acting Asst Paymaster, USN, Civil War"

"Clark, Albert Barnes " 1864 x DKE Farming 8/24/1842 IN 4/24/1883 CA "Insurance, Fruit Raising; Asst Paymaster USN, Civil War"

"Pugsley, Isaac Platt" 1864 x law 6/5/1843 NY 6/3/1915 OH "Judge 1883-1903, Court of Common Pleas; Asst Paymaster, US Navy, Civil War"

Another thing that those historians who say that psychopathic Bonesmen families are inconsequential to the United States history--typically have to ignore how the whole paymaster structure of the U.S. Civil WAr (and ALL WARS ONGOING to the present) are chock full of Bonesmen in similar oversight and contract award arrangements).

Bonesmen as well were private secretaries of Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederacy, on the other side, as well as major voices on the secession debate conventions in the South in two States The private secretary to the Confederate President was a Bonesmen, Harrison, and he's from an extreme intergenerational Bonesman family. His descendent was a New York Representative, yet another Bonesman, who started the (fake) 'drug war' by introducing the (Bonesman) Harrison Narcotics Act back in the 1910s--while his other Bones friends were drug runners from the start of the Bones organization of course).

Anyway plenty of food for thought and research there already...

Back to starroute's questions, you might find the raw data on these three families enlightening.

See any relatives of your husband here?


The date after their name is their induction into Skull and Bones. Any secondary female name in any entry is their wife. Secondary date is date of death, if applicable.

All of these are Bonesmen:



Adams


"Adams, Frederick " 1862 x Judge Law 10/9/1840 NH 7/24/1923 CA "Judge 03-19, Circuit Ct Essex County NJ; 1897-1903, Circuit Court of Errors and Appeals of NJ"

"Adams, Charles Hemmenway" 1866 x Literary work 9/26/1845 CT 8/28/1915 CT Editor Hartford Courant

"Hothhkiss, William Henry " 1875 x Business 4/17/1851 CT 11/30/1918 NY "Dry Goods, Mbr JN Adams & Co (Buffalo, NY)"

"Bigelow, Walter Irving" 1877 x DKE Finance 10/7/1855 MA 1/8/1936 MA "Broker, AM Bigelow & Co; Dir, Whitney-Adams Co, Gorton-Pew Fisheries Co"

"Adams, Mason Tyler" 1899 x Industrial 5/18/1877 NY 5/1/1933 CT Missionary
[funny in joke of a name. you know what a 'tyler' is don't you? The 'tyler' guards outside the door with a sword when a masonic meeting is taking place inside.]


"Adams, Frederick Baldwin" 1900 x Transportation 2/5/1878 OH 10/23/1961 NY? "Delano, Ellen Walters" "Banking, NYC; Pres West Indies Sugar Corp; Chmn Atlantic Coast Line RR, Louisville & Nashville RR, Clinchfield RR; Dir of many subsudary and affiliated RR corps; also officer or dir of many other corps"
[Delano is big. Same family in Brown Brothers private international bank; same family in the middle name of Franklin Delano Roosevelt; and Delano was the official US Consul in Canton in the 1840s in China--simultaneous to being the factor for Russell and Company, the main U.S. drug lord opium organization, which additionally invented the Skull and Bones organization as a U.S. version of a German organization back in 1832. Thus the grandfather of FDR (and this is him, I've checked) was a the main drug lord connection in Canton for Russell and Company.]


"Adams, Charles Edward" 1904 x B Industrial 10/29/1881 OH 1/27/1957 NY [perhaps of Shearson-Lehman Brothers banking] "Shearson, Phyllis Elizabeth" "Banker, NYC; President-1921, Treasurer-1918, Air Reduction Company, NYC; Investments, Callaway, Fish & Company 1911-16, Foster & Adams, NYC 17-18; Chief Iron and Steel Div, War Production Board WWII"

"Adams, George Webster" 1904 x DKE Finance 5/21/1881 NY 10/12/1955 CT/NwH "Ferris, Hester (Bishop)" "Partner, Foster & Adams, NYC 1912-"

"Adams, Lewis G. " 1920 x Architecture 11/23/1897 MA 11/29/1977 NY? "Kellogg, Emeline W" "Ptnr Adams & Woodbridge; Cmdr 17-19, 41-45, USNR "

[HMM. May have to add an Adams Bonesman link anyway off the Taft-Kellogg group in Version 1.3...]

"Lusk, William Thompson 1924" 1924 x Business 3/30/1901 NYC 3/5/1978 CTS "Adams, Katharine" "Dir 30-, Pres 55-67, Exec VP 52-55, VP 32-52 Tiffany & Co (NY); Trustee 43-56, Pres 46-48, VP 44-46, New Canaan Country School"

"Peltz, William Learned " 1931 x alpha delta phi Medicine 02/11/09 NY PA "Adams, Margaret Ruth" "Prof Clinical Psychiatry, U PA Medical School; Fellow 40-42, Branford College, Yale; Med; Capt-Major, Army Med Corps, 39th Gen Hosp (Yale Unit), Pacific 42-45; Expert Civilian Consultant 51, Korean conflict 51"

"Adams, Frederic Baldwin Jr." 1932 x Librarian 03/28/10 CT Swtz "Potter, Ruth; Abbott, Betty; de Croy, Lousie" Y " Dir Emeritus 48-69, Pierpoint Morgan Library NY; Pres 59-71, Governing Brd 52-, Yale U Press; Mbr 64-71, Yale Corp; 49-58 Unvrsty Council; Pres NY Hstrcl Scty" [he was a high level banker family communist, collected communist literature. Left the U.S.]

"McGauley, John Michael " 1933 x Insurance 09/16/08 NYC NYC "Adams, Ruth" "Insurance Broker, New England Life (NYC); Major 42-46, Air Corps"

"Adams, Stephen" 1959 x Finance 11/07/37 MN MN "Forster, Barbara" "Pres Assoc Bankers Corp, Pres Adams Communications Corp; Mining Engineer"



Sherman


"Rowland, William Sherman" 1836 x Law 10/23/1817 CT 5/5/1856 NYC

"Sherman, Frederick Roger " 1836 x Law 3/31/1815 CT/NH 1/10/1892 NYC

"Baldwin, Roger Sherman" 1847 x Law 7/4/1826 CT/NH 11/11/1856 CA

"Converse, George Sherman " 1850 x Ministry 9/2/18282 NYC 11/2/1895 MA Episcopal Minister

"White, Roger Sherman" 1859 x Law 12/26/1837 CT/NH 7/9/1924 CT/NH
"White, Oliver Sherman " 1864 x Law 11/2/1842 CT/NH 3/30/1917 CT/NH

"Witherbee, Frank Spencer" 1874 x DKE Industrial 5/12/1852 NY 4/13/1917 NYC "Iron and mining business, Witherbee, Sherman & Co (NY)"

"Witherbee, Walter Crafts" 1880 x DKE Mining 7/1/1856 NY 9/28/1922 NY "Treas, Witherbee, Sherman and Co; Pres, Natl Bank; VP, Port Henry Iron Ore Co; Secret Service work for DOJ, WWI"

"Evarts, Sherman" 1881 x Law 10/10/1859 NYC 10/21/1922 NH

"Thacher, Sherman Day " 1883 x Education 11/6/1861 CT/NH 8/5/1931 CA "Founded Thacher School 1899; Teacher Casa Peidra Ranch School, Ojai Valley, CA"

"Coy, Sherman Lockwood " 1901 x DKE Industrial 8/26/1879 MA 2/15/1946 IL "Cloquet Lumber Co, (MN); The Northern Lumber Co, (MN)"

"Wells, Harold Sherman " 1907 x Industrial 1/12/1884 PA 3/12/1937 CT "13 w/Public Utility, Pacific Power & Light (Portland OR); Capt Am Red Cross, WWI (Fgn Service)"

"Murphy, Gerald Clery " 1912 x Business 3/25/1888 MA 10/17/1964 NY "Wiborg, Sara Sherman" United Shoe Machinery Co (NYC)

"Baldwin, Sherman" 1919 x Law 7/13/1897 NY 1/21/1969 CT "Rantoul, Harriet C" Y "Trustee 34-54, Brearley Schl; Trustee 51-61, 62-65, Vassar College; 30-48 Trustee Pomfret School; Mbr Bd, Exec Com47- , NY Botanical Garden; Trustee 63-67, Metro Museum of Art, Trustee, Sec, Exec Comm 45-69, American Academy of Rome; Mbr 35-50 Yale Alumni Bd "

"Cooper, John Sherman " 1923 x Senator/KY/UN/stateKY rep/Warren Commision Government 8/23/1901 KY DC "Rowan, Loraine" "of Counsel, Covington & Burling, DC; Mbr 47-49, 53-55, 57-73, US Senate KY; County Judge 30-38, (Pulaski County KY); elected 45, Circuit Judge; Mbr, 49-51 Gardner, Morrison & Rogers (DC); US Delegate 49, UN General Assembly Session; Ambassador 55-56, India & Nepal; Advisor 50, Sec of State Acheson; Mbr 63-65 Warren Comm named by Pres Johnson to investigate assassination of President Kennedy; 60-65 Yale U Council, Prvt to Capt 42-46, US Army, Military Police"

"Ewing, Sherman" 1924 x Law 5/26/1901 NY 5/15/1975 NYC "Hellelfinger, Mary P" Lawyer (NYC)



Hyde


"Hyde, Alvan Pinney " 1845 x y Law 3/10/1825 CT 2/5/1894 CT "Hyde, Gross & Hyde (Hartford); Mbr 1854, 58, 63, CT State Legislature "

"Day, Robert Webster" 1875 x DKE Real Estate 10/9/1854 PA 7/11/1932 FL/Tallahassee "Proprietor, Hyde Park Hotel (Chicago); Sec, Ellicott Square Co (Buffalo)"

"Hyde, William Waldo " 1876 x DKE Law 3/25/1854 CT 10/30/1915 CT "Hyde, Gross & Hyde; Mayor, 1892-94, Hartford, CT"

"Hyde, Frank Eldridge " 1879 x y Law 1/21/1858 CT 12/?/1906 "France, Paris" "US Consul 1893-97, Lyons France; Mbr 1887-89, CT State Legislature"

"Shipman, Arthur Leffingwell " 1886 x Law 11/19/1864 CT 10/16/1937 CT "04-08, CT Corp Counsel of Hartford; Mbr 1892, Hartford Common Council; 13 w/Gross, Hyde & Shipman (Hartford); 1893 w/Henney & Shipman"

"Hyde, Frederick Walton " 1911 x Industrial 5/18/1889 VT 10/2/1941 VT "CCI Co, Lumbering Dept (Marquette, MI)"

"Rowland, John Tilghman" 1911 x DKE Literary Work 3/5/1888 CT 1/3/1980 "Monteith, Helen G; Hyde, Mary" "Author; Editor Outing Pub Co; Lt 17-21, Naval Air Service; Cmndr 42-45, USNR"

"Hyde, Donald Robertson" 1912 x Industrial 6/14/1890 VT 4/18/1982 "Weston, Corrine" "Treas, John G Patton Co; Chmn 50-54, Greenwich Recreation Comm; Col Artillery, Ordnance WWI, WWII"

"Hyde, Louis Kepler Jr. " 1923 x B Investments 10/5/1901 PA 1/1/1979 "Overton, Penelope Witherington" "Chmn Bd, Dir, EW Axe & Co, Inc, Pres, Axe-Houghton Fund Tarrytown NY; Ptnr Barringer, Nelson & Hyde 41-48; Mbr 46-51, Permanent Mission to UN; Dept Trade relations Advisor 43-44, Foreign Econ Admin; Asst to Sec State 45, in charge of policy review & analysis; Dep Dir 42-43, Planning & Dev Staff, Spec Asst to Dep Adminstrator Lend-Lease Admin; VP 35-41, Wasserman, Nelson, Barringer & Hyde, Inc; Pres Simplex Universal Joint, Inc 29-32; VP 26-59, Riverside Coal & Timber Co; VP 26-39, Union County Ivenstment Co; Dir 41-52, 58 - , Katzenbach & Warren, Inc; Dir 58-, Axe-Houghton Stock Fund Inc; Dir 58- , Henry WT Mali & Co, Inc; Dir Muskogee Elec Traction Co 36-55"

"Hiers, Richard Hyde " 1954 x Education 04/08/32 PA FL "Gale, Jane Leslie" Y "Prof, Religion, U FL (Gainesville, FL); Faculty 58-61, Yale Div School; Sec 56-61, RTA "

10/21/2006 07:29:00 PM  
Blogger RDR said...

Oh, great, I'm being entreated by "anonymous 5:00" to "declare myself."

Scraps of information intoxicate the brain; intensive research sobers it again.

Okay, "anonymous"- or perhaps you'd prefer an honorific like "Sherlock", or, more fittingly, "Clouseau"-

Let's get this straight from the outset: everything you claim to know about me, I've volunteered publically.

From a grand total of somewhat less than ten facts, you seem to have deduced that I'm with the CIA, LOL...

"Let's see...he posts in the Rgiorous Intuition blog...he appears knowledgeable about some politically sensitive topics, and apparently has access to some sort of vast reference database of facts...calls himself a 'researcher'...and-smoking gun!- he lives in McLean, Virginia! CIA!"

That's how the dots connect, eh?

Well, I could just change my blog profile, to make myself a barge-pole whittler from Peoria, Arizona...but for some reason, I feel like continuing to provide some semblance of an accurate account for myself, although, as a rank stranger- anonymous to boot- you don't particularly deserve one.

Yes, I presently live in McLean, Virginia, or close enough that I share the zip code. It's the residence of my parents. I returned home from Sacramento, CA to care for my late father around this time last year. He was in fact in the terminal stage of a seriously incapacitating stroke. I helped with his home health care, along with an outstanding staff of professional paid nurses to whom my family owes unfading gratitude. My father passed away on June 1 of this year. You can find his obit in the Washington Post. If you have access to one of those vast databases known as public libraries, that's easy enough to confirm. Or, who knows, maybe it's even in LEXIS-NEXUS.

And I'm still staying here in McLean for a while, although I anticipate returning to the West Coast within another year's time.

My "occupation" of "researcher" has always been unpaid. If you want to hang a work-status tag on me, call me a cab driver with a college degree and a library card. Cab driving is the job that I've held for much, much longer than I've ever done anything else. Before I changed it, I had my cab company's customer service number on my profile.

I have another job now. You'd probably laugh if you found out what it was. I know I'm laughing...go on, maybe you can do enough sleuthing to find out. And no, I'm not at Langley.

I consider myself a freelance intelligence agent, in the most general sense imaginable. And that's the same sense in which I consider my occupation as "researcher." Paid or unpaid, I'm a freelance researcher. And not half-bad at it, either...I've paid enough dues to offer that self-estimate.

One of the things I learned along the way is not to jump to conclusions on the basis of a few details, tantalizing though they may appear at first notice.

Ever wonder how many more things you're going to be wrong about?

I hope my ridicule isn't offending your ego to an intolerable degree, "anonymous 5:00"...I know how the Internet gets for some people.

10/22/2006 12:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I hope my ridicule isn't offending your ego to an intolerable degree, "anonymous 5:00"...I know how the Internet gets for some people."

No. It was simply a test of response. You'd never offered one before. Thanks for biting the bait. I was simply curious about you and what you would say to such an approach.

10/22/2006 02:10:00 AM  
Anonymous starroute said...

Anonymous -

When I said, "more to it than that," I meant I had assumed my husband's maternal ancestors were insulated from the failings of their more elite cousins by having been relatively poor and unsuccessful by the late 1700's, moved out West, and generally left all that behind.

But as I think about it, I realize that through the 1800's they stayed highly aware of their elite connections -- and not just in a "my third cousin is somebody famous" kind of way. There was both arrogance and dysfunction in that one branch of the family that was closest to all the Connecticut nabobs -- and I don't think it was a coincidence.

They were certainly very different from the other family lines that came from Rhode Island Quakers and such like.

As for the details -- the references in the letters indicate my mother-in-law thought of her grandfather's family as chilly, haughty, and also bad-tempered. The actual phrase she used -- quoted back by her cousin -- was "awful tendencies." Not quite as bad as "tainted blood," but with much of the same overtones.

And the cousin, though pooh-poohing the idea that there was anything particularly awful about them, did confirm that my mother-in-law's grandfather and his brothers had all drunk to excess, fought with their father, and gotten no advantage from the good schools they were sent to back East.

So you take all that and concentrate it through intermarriage for another century or so -- instead of diluting it -- and I can see how you'd get something like the Bushes.

10/22/2006 02:30:00 AM  
Anonymous humblenotry said...

I walked into the Super-market today and asked an employee where the pecan halves were. As opposed to the pecan halve nuts.

You mean I can purchase a Brown Gas Machine for as low as $3,700.00 shrubageddon? I appreciate this kind of knowledge especially. I've been stocking up 80 pound bags of my own excretement for the last 7 years and have just recently bought a property in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. The investment in this machine fits perfectly with my gameplan of building my summerhouse with my waste. Since I do not need to worry so much about the going price of wood and concrete I can afford this machine.

Now if I can feed my future wife a steady diet of canned beans and strap her behind to this machine I should be fine. I'm not boasting here. We all make our own plans for the future. This happens to be mine. Ah, Boston Baked Bean Casserole, Homestyle Bean Soups, Three Bean Bake, Chuckwagon Beans, and Five Bean Stew. I'll get my wife so gassed up she'll be able to power half the town.

After everything is going smoothly in my future abode I can work on my life's truest work. I hope to build a machine that will enable me to be in two places at the same time. This way I'll be able to do all the work on my property and if I ever have to leave I'll be able to trust myself on it. I have well over a hundred nose pinchers and am about to live a dream come true.

Don't be so quick on the draw when complaining about open defecating and urination. I hear a lot of Circuit and District Judges get this on them at parties they attend. If they pick this vibe up from you in their courts what are you going to do? It's a lifestyle they may defend to the fullest extent of the law.

10/22/2006 02:52:00 AM  
Anonymous trachys said...

I like the link to the much-maligned Kurt Nimmo. And thank you for reading WaPo, so that I don't have to.

It's time we make some changes to the script.

10/22/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Humblenotry,

That was nothing short of spectacular....satire at its best.

Thanks for understanding and appreciating the absurdity and articulating it in the form of satire.

Levity is a key ingredient to a balanced life...let alone our sanity.

Beware of the Dung Beatles.

By the way, as you already know, I meant flatulate, not flagellate, even though there's no such word according to Merriam-Webster, I think their should be...and so there is.

10/22/2006 01:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Hellzapoppin said...

Fart joke obsessions and family diaries....RI, and idea whose time has passed....gas, and is past.

10/22/2006 02:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

What's the matter with a little bathroom humor sprinkled amongst the pederasty and blood sacrifice, Mojo? Not all of us are obsessive-compulsive like you.

This is as good as it gets.

10/22/2006 02:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shrubageddon said... What's the matter with a little bathroom humor sprinkled amongst the pederasty and blood sacrifice, Mojo? Not all of us are obsessive-compulsive like you. This is as good as it gets.

No, that's just as good as you get.

10/22/2006 03:59:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Two recent articles (one dire prediction, one scary warning) from Chris Floyd over at Empire Burlesque:

Remember the Eisenhower!
(Friday, 20 October 2006)

On October 21, a U.S. naval battle group led by the USS Eisenhower will arrive in the Gulf of Hormuz, just off the coast of Iran. There is every good likelihood that such a deliberately provocative act will lead to what will be termed as an Iranian attack on an American vessel. This Tonkin-like incident will be used as the justification for a U.S. military strike against Iran – or alternatively, for a mighty rattling of American sabers at the perfidious Persians that stokes war fever and "rally-round-the-flag" sentiment but falls short of an actual attack at that time. This flashpoint – however it is expoited – will occur some time in the brief interim between the arrival of the Eisenhower group and the U.S. elections on November 5. (Read More )

and


Sentimental Education: Academia Signs Up for Tracking Down Dissent
(Tuesday, 17 October 2006)

I.Why is the United States government spending millions of dollars to track down critics of George W. Bush in the press? And why have major American universities agreed to put this technology of tyranny into the state's hands?At the most basic level, of course, both questions are easily answered: 1) Power. 2) Money. The Bush administration wants to be able to root out - and counteract - any dissenting noises that might put a crimp in its ongoing crusade for "full spectrum dominance" of global affairs, while the august institutions of higher learning involved - the universities of Cornell, Pittsburgh and Utah - crave the federal green that keeps them in clover.But beyond these grubby realities, there are many other disturbing aspects of this new program - which is itself only part of a much broader penetration of American academia by the Department of Homeland Security. ( Read More )


And they said we had run out of gas...

10/22/2006 04:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of running out of gas, that's fine. There's plenty of water for fuel:



BBC: It Runs On Water (1995)
, 50 min 18 sec
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2464139837181538044

10/22/2006 06:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks starroute for the response:

But as I think about it, I realize that through the 1800's they stayed highly aware of their elite connections -- and not just in a "my third cousin is somebody famous" kind of way. There was both arrogance and dysfunction in that one branch of the family that was closest to all the Connecticut nabobs -- and I don't think it was a coincidence.

Well, it's hardly a coincidence since your husband's families are plugged directly into the main area of Skull and Bones if these families--and they are--1. are connected as 'drones' so close to the Whitney-Foster nexus; and 2. Kris Millegan has opined this Whitney-Foster area is the "core family" area of Bones; and 3. the Bones family tree chart verifies this main 'nest' of interbreeding families around the Whitney because for instance, on that you can note Whitney is the only family mentioned doubly--in two branches off the Cheneys. Cheneys may plug in everywhere, though the 'queen bee' of the chart are the Whitney areas with lots of drone families hovering around them.

Your Shermans are one of these hovering around the Whitney-Foster-Baldwin branch in the chart.

And to let the international quality of these Whitney family lines sink in once more, Edith Starr Miller (author of Occult Theocracy) was the second wife 'substitute' of Lord Queenborough--after his Whitney first wife died in the late 1910s.

From that previous excerpt:

"Lord Queenborough's first late wife was another American of high financial family power likely occult, even Illuminated--the hyper-rich Whitneys...very much involved in Skull and Bones and the history of the United States....

Lord Queenborough's first wife, this Whitney, was born in New York City, New York, [the Whitney daughter was] the daughter of Flora Payne (another intergenerational Skull and Bones family) and businessman and statesman William C. Whitney, a Bonesman....This first [Bonesman Whitney family] wife supposedly died of poor health in 1916. Her father William Collins Whitney (July 5, 1841 - February 2, 1904) was an American political leader, financier, and founder of the prominent Whitney family....William Collins Whitney was Skull and Bones (S&B, 1863)."

Thus the 'hive' around Bonesman Whitney's daughters turn up in England as well.

at comments to this:
http://rigint.blogspot.com/2006/10/fight-real-enemy.html

continuing the nested quality of intergenerational psychopathy well was this quote:

"William Whitney graduated from Yale University in 1863 as Skull and Bones, then studied law at Harvard, and practised with success in New York City. He was an aggressive Bonesman opponent of the Tweed Ring, and was actively allied with the anti-Tammany organizations, the Irving Hall Democracy of 1875-1890, and the County Democracy of 1880-1890, but upon the dissolution of the latter, he soon joined the only crony club that won--and became identified with Tammany instead--once his political enemy. He was United States Secretary of the Navy, 1885 - 1889.

"This father Whitney married Flora Payne, the sister of his wealthy Yale classmate Oliver Hazard Payne (non Bones). However, both the Whitneys and the Paynes are intergenerational Skull and Bones families--4 Paynes, 10 Whitneys.

"So all those connections married into the Pagets in England."

Inbred psychopath families "never had it so good" from the foundation of the United States onward. A whole virgin continent (from their point of view) and millions of natives to exterminate.

By the way, the Cheney's manufactured guns for the North side as well during the Civil War. Read about that in:

Silk and Guns; the Life of a Connecticut Yankee, Frank Cheney 1817-1904,
by Alice Farley Williams.

Sheesh. The price has gone up--and all the copies of the book there only months ago have disappeared. History like this has a tendancy to price itself out (or be bought out) of the popular market....

Though I stress once more: these recycled psychopathic families (many of them intergenerational in Bones as well) are very core to the developmental history, historical 'turns', and all major wars of the United States from the Civil War onward.

Scratch a war in the United States, and you'll find a Bonesman.

10/22/2006 06:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Non Sequiturs R Us said...

Scratch a Bonesman and you'll find a central banker behind that.

10/22/2006 06:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Mojo yo mama said...

and scratch a shrubidiot and you'll find Jeff Wells behind that.

10/22/2006 07:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Starroute,

I'm not sure I will ever think of you the same way now that I know your husband is a Whitney-Foster Skull & Boner (hee hee....I said boner).

His profile is quite trecherous, indeed. A retired Librarian who recognizes gray areas and enjoys reruns of Law & Order. A Skull & Bones Manchurian Candidate if there ever was one. How do you live with this haunting predicament?

Warmest Regards,

Shrubageddon

P.S. I've never researched my family tree, but considering Reincarnation, what the hell does it matter, anyway? For all I know, I descended from the Giants of Patagonia.

10/22/2006 07:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

and scratch a shrubidiot and you'll find Jeff Wells behind that.

and scratch Mojoanonyfilter and you'll find David Icke.

10/22/2006 07:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

On the heels of the Internet Terrorist Hoax Announcement, MSNBC, this morning, decided to announce that people are now being treated for their addiction to the Internet. They had the psychologist on there and he has treated a number of people with the addiction.

Hmmmm.....is it as addictive as Meth, or Heroin? If so, it's time to outlaw it and declare a war on it, especially when you consider it is the vehicle of choice for your everyday Terrorist.

As of this date, addiction to material objects, sports and food are still considered healthy peoccupations....so, keep shovelling in the Doritos, purchasing useless shit such as stickers for your children and partake in Fantasy Football because regular 'ol Football is not enough.....you need derivatives.

I would very much like to make romance inside of you.

10/22/2006 07:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From Bosnia (Clinton) To Basra (Busche)

Northwestern to Southeastern extent of the Ottoman Empire.

10/22/2006 09:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's that Kris Millegan interview, where he says "Whitney" as core to Bones, in one part.

June 19, 2004

Kris Millegan, on Fox News, Live, June 19, 2004 (LIVE thus they were UNABLE TO EDIT IT, you got it raw and unexpurgated, less than 5 minutes)
http://ctrl.org/boodleboys/index.html
Click on the upper left hand link.

Here's more of a short biography of Kris--background on Kris Millegan's original interest in this topic. It was very personal. His father was high level CIA spy, and double agent within the U.S. government spying on one segement for the other:

"Kris Milligan is a writer, research, publisher whose father was from age 18 involved in U.S. intelligence operations, in Shanghai in the late 1930s (opium drug capital of the world) and was later sponsored by (unknown to him at the time a Skull and Bones member) Archibald MacLeish, which led him into in the WWII Office of Strateic Services ("OSS," foundation network of later CIA, 1947). Simultaneously, his father was in G2 military intelligence, then, later, in the CIA as a branch chief and head of intelligence analysis for East Asia. Kris's father while in the CIA worked with Lansdale's CIA drug trade faciliation operations...."

He told Kris that "the secret societies were behind everything," in the 1960s. He told his son Kris that "if he just started buying drugs that were all the rage, all he would be doing would be funding THEM" Kris recalls.

It was out of Kris's depth then and later he made it his research agenda to find out more.

Back to the Kris short video: it's fascinating how the interviewer may have gotten the word to cut short the interview.

Watch for how it closes. It closes immediately after Kris started warming to the topic and blurted live on Fox News that the Bonesmen of Russell and Company were core opium smugglers in the world.

Kris calls Bones/Russell and Company third largest opium smuggler in the world in the 1830s, though then, Bonesmen were actually about to become part of a cartel with the Rothschilds in what was called "The Combination" after 1837.

In 1837, the opium kick dissapeared momentarily in the international financial market, likely due to forced opium sales over and over and over for years by the group before 1837, until the financial worth of their major product was dropped tremendiously.

Much of UK banking dependened upon the drug trade 'pop' (as Katherine Austin Fitts calls it) in the stock and bond business as a money launding roulette wheel.

Thus, when the major source of liquidity dries up, and the stock markets prices all fell back to "reality" (since they were expanded due to them being used to launder drug funds.

It led to the 1837 banking panic worldwide instead of it being just a U.S. phenomenon. It was likely an engineered crash for various other issues that pull out even more worms about real estate consolidation via Auguste Belmont (Rothschild agent) in New York then. He stayed to create and be the major funder of the creation of the New York subway system. Another story...

After 1837, "the Combination" consolidated opium all up and down China's coast, instead of just in the cities of Canton and a few other places.

10/22/2006 09:17:00 PM  
Anonymous humblenotry said...

Thanks shrubageddon and you are welcome. The dot of light in my palm went out 12 years ago and the Sandmen here in Logan Run Land are too busy fussing with epicenity to drag me to the Carrousel to be zapped. Lola, Lo, Lo, Lo, Lo Lola.

I try not to honestly criticize any individual but criticize the principles and mentalities that may be held on to.

May I quote what anonymous 7:29 wrote?

John Quincy Adams said:

"I saw a code of Masonic legislation adapted to prostrate every principle and equal justice and to corrupt every sentiment of virtuous feeling in the soul of him who bound his allegiance to it...I saw the practice of common honesty, the kindness of Christian benevolence, even the abstinence of atrocious crimes: limited exclusively by lawless oaths and barbarous penalties, to the social relations between the Brotherhood and the Craft. I saw slander organize into a secret, widespread and affiliated agency...I saw self invoked imprecations of throats cut from ear to ear, of hearts and vitals torn out and cast off and hung on spires. I saw wine drunk from a human skull with solemn invocation of all the sins of its owner upon the head of him who drank it."

The Anti-Mason Party did manage to shut down the Brotherhood and Craft for a few years. It does not matter what organization they represent. What needed to be shut down was the tyranny the Masons enabled in the Public Law books. Prince John Quincy Adams seemed to play the Masonic influence out as party politics. The corrupted high ranked Masons were and are a threat to any people upper class downwards. When Prince Adams said that he saw a code of Masonic legislation adapted to prostrate every principle and equal justice and to corrupt every sentiment of virtuous...was he writing about Article 1 Section 8 Clause 17 written in the Constitution?

Congress shall have the power to exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever?

This statement by the nobleman Adams can be interpreted as a boast on his part. That the American people better not mess with the Brotherhood, but let us royalty sweep this under the rug for a time so that the feared secret is kept very much alive? The lofty subjects of the Prince needn't worry since they have everything under control?

My interpretation of this is that this is where Alfred E. Newman got his inspiration. What me worry?

Reminds me of a song: Yankee Doodle went to town, a-riding on a pony: Stuck a feather in his cap and called it macaroni.

A secret, widespread, and affiliated agency in American politics from the very beginning. The one most responsible for the writing of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. If you are a Christian and you believe you are going to heaven because you support our government in all it's verifiable and proven corruption the odds are much more likely that you are going to go to hell.

10/22/2006 09:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Mojo Workout said...

Excellent piece above about the link between the Rothschilds and Skull and Bones interlinked business interests going back to 1837. Thank you for that one.

On a somewhat related note, what's the big deal about David Icke? Why do posters such as Shrubageddon and Iridescent Cuttlefish hurl his name like it's some kind of pejorative epithet? Icke has some of the best daily news links from all over the world on his site.

I don't care what you think about his interdimensional lizard-consciousness stuff, the fact remains that he had exactly nailed much of what has transpired in the last half dozen years, well over a decade or more in advance of its happening.

So say what you want, his analyisis throughout most of the 1990's was well ahead of the curve, and his links today are the most comprehensive out there on any single site. Beyond that, he has more of a pro-social conscience, and is more of a constructive optimist, than all of the subterranean shit-hurlers on this site combined, including the Sybil/Shrub thing.

So, go read the latest news headlines and linked stories at
http://www.davidicke.com/content/blogcategory/30/48/

You might actually learn a few things.

Peace and love, mates.

10/22/2006 10:01:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

Yes, Shrub, I do believe you probably *are* descended from the Giants of Patagonia. It would explain so much, y'know. ;-)

It also occurs to me that if you were a kid in the mid-1800's and your parents wanted to send you to a 'good school' back East so you could reclaim the elite status they'd left behind -- and you didn't really want to but couldn't say no to their faces -- then drinking to excess and getting kicked out might be the only way you would have of saying no without actually having to say no.

In some cases, dysfunction can be a strategy and not merely a moral failing.

10/22/2006 10:39:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Mojo Workout,
Since you asked, here's what irks me about the icky-man. I agree that he does present some interesting stuff--I trawl on the odd urge--and that he appears to present, as you put it, a "pro-social conscience," but my instinct tells me that part of it is a front to lure in those with social consciences, because a few pages in he pulls a smooth bait-and-switch, just like Mr. Rense, although that guy is a lot less subtle about it.

The deeper Ick is full of old CIA anticommunist propaganda, although, again, Rense is much worse about it, in that he actually links to Stormfront and runs "articles" (with soul-cleansing 'disclaimers' naturally) about how Julius Streicher was just tellin' it like it was, etc.

The deepest level of unease I have with Mr. Sticky is the effect of his the-Illuminati-have-already-won spiel is that it promotes both a very heavy defeatism (which, if the Illumined Ones really do exist, they must appreciate) and also a sort of magical thinking/reductionist thinking about history. I do believe that secret societies and smallish groups of powerful people have always wielded vastly disproportionate power and influence, especially in these hyper, late-stage capitalist times, but his adherents end up saying things like, "and then the illuminati made Nietzsche write everything he did so that the Nazis would have a philosophical background for national socialism..." I've seen that kind of 'historical figures as two-dimensional cut-outs' more times than I can count.

Lastly, I don't disparage anyone reading his stuff--I've said I do myself on occasion, but you've got to wedge a large grain of salt between teeth and gums whenever you read anybody who pulls promotional gimmicks the way that Icke does. Did you catch the website appeal where there's a picture of the man clutching a presumably carpal-tunneled claw, brow clouded by selfless pain, while the "narrator" tells us how the brave knight "has been working his fingers to the bone for us"?

It was very, very funny. (And this from someone who has CTS.) Still and all, point taken, I suppose. A cuttlefish has to stay flexible, you know.

10/22/2006 10:54:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

And that, in turn, makes me wonder if George W. was himself doing his best to fail his way out of having to be a Bush ... and they just wouldn't let him...

Wrung the booze out of him, sent him off to get religion with a bit of brainwashing around the edges, and kept propping him up every time he'd almost succeeded in failing.

It would certainly explain that haunted, trapped look in his eyes.

10/22/2006 10:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And a big 'hear hear' on this:

"On a somewhat related note, what's the big deal about David Icke? Why do posters such as Shrubageddon and Iridescent Cuttlefish hurl his name like it's some kind of pejorative epithet? Icke has some of the best daily news links from all over the world on his site. I don't care what you think about his interdimensional lizard-consciousness stuff, the fact remains that he had exactly nailed much of what has transpired in the last half dozen years, well over a decade or more in advance of its happening. So say what you want, his analyisis throughout most of the 1990's was well ahead of the curve, and his links today are the most comprehensive out there on any single site. Beyond that, he has more of a pro-social conscience, and is more of a constructive optimist, than all of the subterranean shit-hurlers on this site combined, including the Sybil/Shrub thing."

Hear, Hear.

And even if some are lizards, so what? You afraid of lizards?

What would it matter? What are you afraid of?

You really still think, IC, your little speck in space is the only place in the universe, don't you.

We got rid of humanocentrism 500 years ago in astronomy though still the platitude about aliens being 'silly' is kept like an old 'comfort blanky' from your childhood, IC, hidden under the bed with which to pull out and console yourself or hide under. And if you see no one under your comfort blanky, ergo, you've proved it to yourself, eh?

There are bad humans and good humans. There ARE bad aliens and good aliens. Dare you to read Greer's latest and come away a skeptic:

"In "Hidden Truth – Forbidden Knowledge" Dr. Greer [organizer/publicist of The Disclosure Project] provides his own personal disclosure based on years of high-level meetings with over 450 military and government-connected insiders and whistle-blowers and briefings with senior government officials, such as former CIA Director R. James Woolsey, members of the US Senate and senior UN officials....With this book, I think Greer catapults himself into the front ranks of credible New Age leaders. I read his previous work "Disclosure" several years ago and wondered how a country doctor could get the attention of such high level scientists and military people, much less get them to reveal top secret information about UFOs and reverse engineering of alien technology. It turns out that Greer is a natural and highly gifted practitioner of higher states of consciouness, remote viewing and astral travel. This is combined with a sane and rational approach to practical issues and the fearlessness of a samurai. The book's conversational writing style made me feel like I was there as it describes meetings with Laurence Rockefeller, former CIA Director James Woolsey and numerous Congressmen and military officials. Most interesting were Greer's meetings with people in the Shadow Government and their endeavors to entice him to their agenda. When they were unsuccessful, many attempts were made to silence him, including giving him, as well as a close associate and a supportive congressman, cancer, all in the same short time period. Greer reports discovering information about rogue Star Wars plans to fake an alien invasion of earth. The intent is to unite the world around "Big Brother and a global corporate-military junta". The master plan, formulated many years ago, called for the Cold War, to be followed by the War on Terrorism and finally the [fake story of the] "War of the Worlds". Dr. Carol Rosen, former head of Fairchild Industries and spokesperson for Werner Von Braun in the last years of his life, is on record as saying she attended meetings in the 1970s where the Gulf War was being planned. Greer says a worldwide psy-ops program is now being orchestrated to instill fear of ETs through staged abductions using ARVs(Alien Reproduction Vehicles), drugs and advanced electronic mind control weapon systems; cattle mutilations and media disinformation. He writes, "I have interviewed numerous people in classified projects who have been on the abduction squads...". This book is 300+ pages of pure dynamite. If you want to know what has been going on behind the scenes and what the future holds(Greer reveals his remote viewing of possible events along our collective time-line) don't pass this book up."

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There are aliens and they have been here longer than we have. One friendly group probabaly built the moon--and still live there accessible from the dark side. There are few other explanations of the physics of the moon except that it is an artificial and very useful creation. This would probabaly explain why Ice Ages stopped so usefully in the past 10,000-12,000 years only: the inserted moon provides an artifical gravity anchor throwing away all sorts of noxious shit that used to pulvarize us to smithereens, or caused the historical flips of the poles that has historically been a feature of world history according to Hapgood, which has has perhaps stabailzed the nasty Ice Ages to boot.

(Any Venusian 'Heat Age' Global climate change would then be our own fault if we stick to oil under these conditions.)

If all aliens hated humans, humans would have been a wrapped up as a lizard lunch experiment long ago.

I have nothing against lizards, only evil lizards, just as I have nothing against humans, only evil humans. Supposedly, some species' biologies are indeed deadly to humans, though others are different.

IC says:

"The deeper Ick[e] is full of old CIA anticommunist propaganda, although, again, Rense is much worse about it,.."

Empty libel!

Provide us some examples though read the disclamer caveat at Rense first:

"The idea of a free press in America is one that we hold in the highest regard. We believe in bringing our site visitors and program listeners the widest possible array of information that comes to our attention. We have great trust and respect for the American people, and our worldwide audience, and believe them to be fully-capable of making their own decisions and discerning their own realities. Among the thousands of articles posted here for your consideration, there will doubtless be some that you find useless, and possibly offensive, but we believe you will be perceptive enough to realize that even the stories you disagree with have some value in terms of promoting your own further self-definition and insight. Our site is a smorgasbord of material...take what you wish and click or scroll right past that which doesn't interest you. We suggest you don't make 'assumptions' about our official position on issues that are discussed here. That is not what this site is about. We believe it to be unwise to sweep controversy under the carpet. We also firmly believe people should not only read material which they agree with. The opinions expressed through the thousands of stories here do not necessarily represent those of Mr. Rense, his radio program, his website, or his webmaster, Mr. James Neff. We are not going to censor the news and information here. That is for you to do. .. etc. etc."

Yes, IC, that IS for you to do, isn't it. Is all this Rense bashing really germane? Or Icke? IC, you represent those who would have everything censored fit a "Party Line", IC....You should look in the mirror for the totalitarian minded left as well as the totalitarian minded right, the latter which you you so well describe... (though nothing against your "sustainability in progress" site, good work!)

The sad truth is "our" enemy (even if we disagree 'we' are still being treated as a 'we' by 'them' regardless of our intellectual differences)--our enemy is double faced: it's a totalitarianism from both sides.

The most modern version of it is the BushClintons in bed (and up each others a**es) with each other and doing lines of coke with each other each contributing to a global fascist surveillance state via state terrorism under Clinton (WTC attempt at state terror #1; state terrorism of the Murrah Building; state terrorism at Ruby Ridge; state terrorism at Waco; preemptive invasions of Yugoslavia) AND Bush (WTC attempt at state terror #2; preemptive invasion of Afghanistan; preemptive invasion of Iraq; destruction of the Constitution with virtual undeclared martial law presently existing in the United States with virtual elections as well; both Bush and Clinton destroyed the U.S. economy with NAFTA, and destroyed Canadian and Mexican areas as well with drug lord consolidation under their tenures). The parties of the Democrats and Republicans are shadowplay, particularly when the drug monies go through Greenberg Traurig for both the Democrats (via Rosen) and the Republicans (via Abramoff). Both of them are/were of the law firm of Greenberg Traurig, and the head of the firm, Maurice Greenberg, was once CEO of AIG, which was so involved in the 9-11 hit and money laundering, according to Richard Grove. Spare me the left vs. right nonsense from the elite point of view.

Title: ZIOCON/GOP = another name for MAFIA MONEY; Abramoff scandal ties to 9-11 Atta drugrunning!--and ties to the Democrats EQUALLY
Date: 2005.10.11 11:35

Description: Abramoff, born in mob capital, Atlantic City, NJ... His father, close to Reagan. --- investigated by three grand juries: Washington, D.C., in Abramoff-Reed Indian Gambling Scandal; by grand jury in Guam over (probabaly not so) separate matter; & indicted on August 11, 2005, by third grand jury in Fort Lauderdale, FL, for bank fraud likely arising out of the overall Abramoff operation if you read this. Abramoff appears to be a likely COMPTROLLER for multiple mafia money launderings (Israeli, Colombian, Siclian, more?) into the neocon/Zionist/GOP election cycle. --- Indictments of Abramoff have significant importance because of connections with leading ziocons/neocons including Bush, DeLay, & others. --- DeLay, ex-Majority Leader of U.S. House (indicted for similar money launding operation, in Texas election fraud) calls Abramoff one of his “closest and dearest friends.” Eventually, where did DeLay's money come from, perchance? Abramoff? --- Another level is that Abramoff is Sr.Dir. of Gov't Affairs for GREENBERG TRAURIG law & lobbying firm, so close to corrupt money trail, 9-11 hushmoney, Israel, Brown Brothers Harriman, & strategically placed as both Dem & Repub party financial positions; Greenberg Traurig members are personal lawyers and legal front men for the whole Bush family operations & much more --- WHAT ABRAMOFF SCANDAL IS ABOUT CAN BE SIMPLY STATED AS: Vegas without rules. What politicians are arguing over is the biggest unregulated slush fund in the history of the world. Democrats, run equally by Abramoff/Greenberg Traurig connections, don’t want to eliminate it. They just want in on it. AND HEROIN is coaxed to flow straight from Bush regime's heroin nacroregime in Afghanistan INTO THESE ABRAMOFF-ATTA-WALLY HILLIARD-JEB BUSH NETWORKS, SEE BELOW.
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/10/326565.shtml

Hardly that the 'left' or 'right' as social movements fail to exist. Only that their leadership historically have been the same people.

IC, that's what both Rense and Icke get into. More power to them because that the way the world has increasingly worked for the past 300 years of European military consolidation.

The international drug trades of the 1600s-1700s onward made the world--and the elites---we still have presently. They are internationalist merchant power mongers. Nationalist parties are little subsidiaries of this point of view to them.

And they still fly the Skull and Crossbones.

10/23/2006 12:37:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

But isn't there yet another possibility, that the Right is all but triumphant, having infiltrated and corrupted the true promise of the Left--an egalitarian, sustainable world, free of the totalitarianism which you so correctly identify as the real and permanent threat? Stalin wasn't a commie; the CIA (and yeah, I'll throw you this bone, those behind it) have sabotaged every fledgling democracy, every experiment in social equality ever attempted. What has Clinton or the Liberal Establishment to do with me or what I value?

I don't understand your antipathy--you say you also value a sustainable paradigm, but then you attack me for being suspicious of Rense & Icke. How does it benefit humanity's search for a better path for Rense to run that Nazi bullshit and then claim to be "opening the debate"? Hasn't that side had enough to say, throughout the course of human history? Is the path so unclear that we need to revisit fucking Hitler to decide whether he was really such a bad egg?

Tell you what: as soon as I reveal some guru or party or establishment that I trust, feel free to run it down, be skeptical, etc, just as I've done to your boys. In the meantime, I'll just continue to try to think for myself, if that's okay. But suit yourself, by all means. And peace, brother: I'm really not worth getting all that upset about. You dig?

10/23/2006 01:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Mojo Workout said...

Dear Iridescent Cuttlefish and the Anonymous whose post is sandwiched in between:

God, I hate to think of myself as a "make nice nice" person here, but I really don't think either of your positions is all that far apart. I think that a large part of the perceived difference comes from IC's (hey, that's half of "Icke" you know!) insistence on terming a sustainable, tolerant society which doesn't just stomp down the poor or weak as "left" or
"liberal."

I would have to side with the Anonymous above in agreeing that such a label is not only outdated, but quite misleading, because, as she/he accurately notes, that "left/liberal" paradigm has been co-opted by the merchant banker/ drug-running/ arms dealing/ war mongering/ totalitarian assholes who deftly and repeatedly use it to create the false left/right paradigms, to set off people who might otherwise substantially agree with each other into stark and vehement opposition (witness the debate here), and thus prevail by the strategy of divide and conquer.

I also don't get where or why you, IC, call Rense a "nazi", or am I misunderstanding what it is you are saying?

I also don't see in any way how Icke is serving the ends of the CIA or AIPAC. I would sooner make that claim about Alex Jones, but even he, as we all are, after all, is merely human. I think it is far better to acknowledge what such people are doing right to try and illuminate (I'll take that verb back and use it for the good, thank you very much) the facts as they are, or at least as they seem to be to each of these researcher/ polemecists, and do the sort of the wheat from the chaff myself, according to my own predilections.

There is a lot more I could or would say about how the left/right paradigm is falsely constructed, for example: A lot of people with certain imbued religious doctrines might be preternaturally homophobic, but otherwise extremely liberal by any socialist's definition. They are either marginalized from the political dialogue, or forced to belly up to the "right wing" bar, by virtue of their religious indoctrination, something which they were given as children. So look how effectively such a false dichotomy can be wielded, as in the last presidential election (Diebold fraud in Ohio excepted) to give either a majority, or the plausible illusion of a majority, to the Republicans.

This is but one example.

So maybe we ought to come up with a better, more inclusive word for the philosophy that is for the maintenance of life on earth (although technically this could be called "conservative" -- ironic, eh?).

I kind of liked Green, but that seems to have been co-opted by various other interest groups that saw the Greens as a threat and had to fragment and disempower them. Witness what happened with their failure to endorse Nader in the last election.

That's my two cents for now. Don't spend it all in one place.

10/23/2006 03:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Mojo Workout said...

Just a quick follow up comment to my post above, to mention the irony that the gay-bashing Republicans seem to have fielded more gay members of Congress than the Democrats by far. Sadly, a high percentage of them also seem to be pederasts. Maybe GOP stands for Gang Of Pedophiles?

It just goes to give the lie to the whole left/right false dichotomy, since lefties are supposed to be pro-gay rights, and righties anti-gay. Yet even the chair of the GOP is gay. So who is kidding whom?

The left/right paradigm is a force fit Hobson's choice to fractionalize and to de-fang any real political power on the part of the people, and to mask the fact that we have long lived in a one party, totalitarian state.

So let's update our vocabulary, at the least. It's the first step to throwing out the bums on both "sides".

10/23/2006 03:58:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

I'd like to propose creation of the PPP, or Positive Polarity Party. It will be the political arm of the New Outlook Society.

And, no I am not a meglomaniac; simply floating ideas that are difficult for the CTB to co-opt.

10/23/2006 06:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

To all Believers in Aliens: I have a small question.

Home come the aliens, being so advanced and all, never invented nanotechnology? If they were out for an intergalactic spin, wouldn't it be much easier to do it in a molecular-sized spacecruiser?

Why do you think you'd even be able to see them, without aid of a scanning electron microscope?

As for the relentlessly self-promoting Icke, I always think of what the great DiEteR said 7 years ago on the Timebomb2000 forum (pre-millenial version: dIeTEr was the board's genius troll-jester. Here's a quick sampling of his inimitable, over-the-top, yet loveable style: "DiEteR (hissing toward INVAR): SWiNisH LoUsE! MEnTaL MiDgiT! YoU siCkEn DiEteR! VeRMiN! IdIOT!") Once, to "Andy," some Brit always spouting off about his beer swilling and David Icke, DiEteR once famously asked: "tHE ShApE-sHifTiNg LiZaRds--tHeY hAVe a rOLe TO pLAy, yEs?!"

I think the shape-shifting lizards have always served, perhaps on an unconscious level, as dragoons in Mr. Icke's army of Maleficent Metaphors. Whatever sells the books and newsletters.

Of course, attacking Icke is little different than attacking Larouche, or Scientology, or dissing Mad Dog Cheney over at Little Green Pukeballs. The cultists come swarming out of the timber, claymores raised and jowls wobbling. Look!
Here they come now!

10/23/2006 10:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Why the hell does it have to be Lizards? We see the image repeated ad-nauseum in movies/books about Aliens....and, personally, I find it insulting to the Aliens.

Why not get outside the box and into the Pod like they did in Invasion of The Body Snatchers? Great movie (The remake with Nimoy and Sutherland) and great concept. No reptiles or deformed humanoid figures.....and the Aliens weren't necessarily brutal....they were very humane in the way they co-opted their hosts.

Also, the problem I have with isolating a particular group (The Reptilian Illuminati) is that it presumes that once you rid yourself of that evil, all will be well in the World. Bull Fucking Shit!!

That's what the Nazis thought if only they could eliminate the Jews....so, IC is correct, in more ways than one. Genocide is the hidden message and agenda.

Remove the source of nourishment, and those who's goal it is to feed off of us will wither and die. If you can't and don't change that, nothing will change.

10/23/2006 10:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One reason I think Rense & Icke aren't worth bothering with is the lesson I get here from Borges:

"We (the indivisible divinity that works in us) have dreamed the world. We have dreamed it resistant, mysterious, visible, ubiquitous in space and firm in time, but we have allowed slight, and eternal, bits of the irrational to form part of its architecture so as to know that it is false."

10/23/2006 11:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amazing how the Market seems to be going up, up, up and gas prices seem to be going down, down, down and the steady climb of Interest Rates has subsided.

10/23/2006 11:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FYI

“What a mighty man [Katzav] turns out to be! He raped 10 women - I would never have expected this from him. He surprised us all - we all envy him!” This was supposedly overheard by a Kommersant newspaper reporter. (That paper is owned by the violently anti-Putin oligarch Berezovsky.) Anna Shulik, a correspondent of Israeli Channel 9, actually recorded and broadcasted a somewhat different version of Putin's statement: “Regards to your president. He surprised us all. We all envy him.” The key word rape, which turns bonhomie into vulgarity, is just absent on the tape.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shamireaders/message/816

10/23/2006 12:40:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Mojo Workout,
You're right about the fact that the Anonymous poster and I aren't really that far apart in our views of politics--we both agree that it's an institutionalized swindle--but I think there's still room to argue about this notion of the "false dichotomy" at play. The reason it's false is because the Left has been so completely crushed, sold-out and forgotten. We reminisce about Eugene Debs and Victor Berger as if they were the slaughtered (and misguided) heroes hacked with Oarwell's claymores on Culloden Moor, when they were anything but misguided: if not for their work the robber barons would still be squeezing blood from the turnips of old age and childhood labor. (Exempted from the curse of conscience by the gift of American exceptionalism, we don't need to waste any thought for the continuation of thise practices in "foreign parts.")

It's not just that there is no Left (and, please, don't speak any further of the pretenders on the Hill), but that the idea of a just society has been discredited by the ascendancy of the Corporation and the much flaunted "failure of socialism." Why is it that no public figure can seem to articulate a vision of an equitable distribution of wealth and a common sense, sustainable conservation of resources? Because such a "system" is impossibly complex, or because "human nature" is too unevolved? No, because there is a "vast conspiracy" afoot, to quote the justly pillaried Hillary, who, being part of it, should know of what she speaks.

The system in place is the scam; the economy of scarcity, managed by bankers, planned and controlled by the titans of industry, sanctified by the priestly caste with their endless Gott-mit-uns sermons on the virtue of wars of imperialism and the duty of the hirelings to their betters, and believed by the mindlessly toiling masses for lack of a better alternative. From the "Left," they are aided and abetted by fakirs like Ruppert and the Peak Oilers who, behind their shallow, murderous compassion for the common man, acquiesce to the notion that conservation of resources is impossible, that green buildings can't possibly save 80-100% on energy use (while reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 45%) and that cars just have to get 13 mpg and that clean, fast, and safe public transport is too expensive to build...And this doesn't even begin to address the suppressed technologies which we don't really need but which could enable us to make manifest the heaven that the historical Jesus said was just waiting within us.

So, there's the real swindle, the biggest Big Lie: that things are the way they are because there just isn't any other way. And then came Rense & Icke to put the fookin' icing on the evil cake be telling us that we can't possibly fix the world because the bad guys have magical powers. That power and wealth are transgenerational is no sublime mystery; the meek have never inherited anything but debt, sweat and misery while the well-off always manage to pass their station in life on to their idiot-bastard sons (even without killing the "death tax"). The effect of scaring the incredulous with tales of illuminist omnipotence is that they, the abused and exploited masses, never consider the fact that if every single 33rd+ degree Grand Poo-bah were incarcerated or immolated, absolutely nothing would change. Politics would still be a fully-owned subsidiary of Mammon; the "parties" funded and controlled just the way they always have been. Who needs magic (or blood sacrifice--sorry, Jeff), when money works just fine to preserve and protect those least worthy of such things?

But, just in case folks do start a-wondering, why not feed them some more right-wing propaganda about the evil Jews and the poor, misunderstood national socialists who, given the chance, would doubtless still be protecting our cultural maidenhead from the eerie penetration of the lizard-kings whose baleful eye keeps the herd in line?

10/23/2006 01:00:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Mojo Workout writes:

"There is a lot more I could or would say about how the left/right paradigm is falsely constructed, for example: A lot of people with certain imbued religious doctrines might be preternaturally homophobic, but otherwise extremely liberal by any socialist's definition. They are either marginalized from the political dialogue, or forced to belly up to the "right wing" bar, by virtue of their religious indoctrination, something which they were given as children. So look how effectively such a false dichotomy can be wielded, as in the last presidential election (Diebold fraud in Ohio excepted) to give either a majority, or the plausible illusion of a majority, to the Republicans...So maybe we ought to come up with a better, more inclusive word for the philosophy that is for the maintenance of life on earth (although technically this could be called "conservative" -- ironic, eh?)....Just a quick follow up comment to my post above, to mention the irony that the gay-bashing Republicans seem to have fielded more gay members of Congress than the Democrats by far. Sadly, a high percentage of them also seem to be pederasts. Maybe GOP stands for Gang Of Pedophiles? It just goes to give the lie to the whole left/right false dichotomy, since lefties are supposed to be pro-gay rights, and righties anti-gay. Yet even the chair of the GOP is gay. So who is kidding whom?

The left/right paradigm is a force fit Hobson's choice to fractionalize and to de-fang any real political power on the part of the people, and to mask the fact that we have long lived in a one party, totalitarian state. So let's update our vocabulary, at the least. It's the first step to throwing out the bums on both "sides"."


I have noticed that there are "ascriptive" social movement issues (interpersonal politics) and those politics or social movements about "social" issues (social organizational politics).

Ascriptive is defined as:
1. to credit or assign, as to a cause or source; attribute; impute: The alphabet is usually ascribed to the Phoenicians.
2. to attribute or think of as belonging, as a quality or characteristic: They ascribed courage to me for something I did out of sheer panic.

Typical ascriptive interpersonal things range from gender, ethnicity, sexuality, handicapped status, age, religion, etc.

For instance, in the history of Wisconsin for example, which throws a real loop or insight into how interpersonal politics can be "conservative" and social politics can be "liberal" simultaneously, the state is one of the largest Germananocentric populations in U.S., even more than Pennsylvania.

The state itself was founded in 1848, off failed ethnically solid German "liberal" revolutionaries.

When they came to "Wisconsin" before it was a state, there were other northern Europeans mostly there with them, like Scandanavians. The history of Wisconsin, particularly in national politics has been one of xenophobia as well as very radical leftism simultanesously. By the 1930s, the LaFolletes were turning quite pro Nazi in their iconography and even had a little "blue circle" flag with 13 red and white stripes, as an echo of the National Socialist flag in Germany.

So I'm saying that what we're talking about is, I would argue , in the popular mind, a separation innately between interpersonal politics and social politics. People split more on this issue than the current fake 'left/right' arranagement purism would want to allow.

Instead, we are handed a rigged plate due to lots of historical things where expections are instead:

left
means liberal interpersonal
means liberal social

right
means conservative interpersonal
means conservative social

When you can get such admixtures
as

people who are very conservative interpersonally like the Wisconsinites, though who would support their state banning margarine and running their state like a Frederich List or something instead of an Adam Smith.

And you have gay activists within the Republican party as well, interpersonally liberal though socially conservative (using "social" here in terms of public institutional policies about economics and establishing institutions, etc.).

It used to be called (strangely) the American school of economics what both the U.S. did as well as various states like Wisconsin did.

However, once the corporate elites had 'been there, done that' and consolidated the national scene, they moved globally and lost any nationalist economy loyalty both left and right parties inclusive.

So with both the 'left' and 'right' being conservative socially now (neoliberalist corporate fascist), the only hat peg both 'left' and 'right' in the United States have to hang their threadbare identies on is ascriptive interpersonal issues. They achingly pretend they are different and "pick a staged fight" sort of fake issues over gay marriage, etc. to disguise their common silence on social political issues that they have both sold the United States down the river on, with their conservative social policies for global privatization.

I think Mojo is correct that as well the whole interpersonal liberality of rank and file gay Republicans find themselves very socially conservative. That is the current twist of the Good Ol Pedophiles. While the 'left' institutionally speaking, stands for nothing from 1990s whole Democratic Party/Clinton's "don't ask don't tell" and stand against gay civil rights equally.

As for the U.S. 'left', so while mouthing interpersonal freedom (though doing nothing about it), the 'left' is socially conservative as the 'right'.

And while mouthing interpersonal repression, the 'right' is socially conservative as well.

The Three Pink Elephants in the Room: Health, Ecology, Economy"

The main topics they are both avoiding are the social politics supported by supramajorities in polls on health care, environment, and sustainability.

These three issues are the true core of U.S. grass roots politics regardless. Even those who typically 'vote right' are pro-environment in the U.S. See information below.

However, none of these 'U.S. parties' (that run themselves like the French aristocracy of the 1780s more than anything) want to touch health, ecology, or economy issues.

polls health

Majority (65%) of Americans want single-payer health care; willing to pay more taxes to get it. --- In ABCNEWS/Washington Post poll, 3 point margin, Americans by a 2-1 margin, 62-32 percent, prefer universal health insurance program over current employer-based system. 78% dissatisfied with cost of nation's health care, including 54% "very" dissatisfied. Most Americans...54%...now dissatisfied with overall quality of health care in U.S.--first majority in 3 polls since 1993, up 10 points since 2000. --- Public wants government to play leading role in providing health care for all. In the same poll, by almost a two-to-one margin (62% to 33%), Americans said that they preferred a universal system that would provide coverage to everyone under a government program, as opposed to current employer-based system. Slightly different question asked by Kaiser, June '03: more than 7 in 10 ten adults (72%) agreed government should guarantee health insurance for all citizens even if it means repealing most tax cuts passed under President George W. Bush--less than one-quarter (24%) disagreed with this. --- Americans overwhelmingly agree access to health care should be a right. In 2000, as in 1993, 8 in 10 agreed health care be provided equally to citizens; over half agreed “strongly” or “completely.” In 2004, 76% agreed strongly or somewhat that health care should be a right.

polls ecology

The majority (77%) think we should do "whatever it takes" to protect environment. --- In another poll, reported in The Ecologist, upwards of 80% of the U.S. with little difference between left or right want their environmental laws seriously enforced, as well as strengthened.

[This is the issue once more that many of the people who 'vote right' and may be more interpersonally conservative, have the same social policies and weigh in 'on the left' on the health, ecology, and economy' issues.]

polls economy

The majority (86 percent) favor raising the minimum wage. The majority (60%) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go only to the rich. --- The majority (87%) think big oil companies are gouging consumers and would support a windfall profits tax. --- The majority (66%) want to reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes.

--- That is the center. The 'left/right' thing has totally broken down, when the left and right elites have both moved toward globalized privatization support, and it has left this health, ecology, and economy issue festering WORLDWIDE across all nations.

So while the U.S. is a supra-majority place that does have a social politics that is common and strong on these three areas, its two French aristocracy parties play at dividing this up and ignoring that base, and reaching for any distraction available to keep people knowing that WHAT IS ABOVE IS THE MAJORITY.

More on this in my book.

Throw in that the majority wants a complete pullout from the fake wars of the Skull and Bones'ers, and you have completely 180 situation in the United States--from the French aristocratcy parties that run it from the outside (on the global level).

A political party could clear the decks with a "health care, ecology, and national economy" policy.

And it could either be a different one, or the same ones in power, forced to adapt to keep power--or they are popularly removed.

Hey! That's just what happened in Venezuela, and it looks like its about to happen in Mexico, or a true revolution will be occurring very shortly there.

This is why the French aristocratic parties running the U.S. are so regressive and full of hatred about Green issues: they know that is the majority, though they additionally know that since these are issues, any party could come along and claim this supramajority and send the Democrats and Republicans off to the guillotines which is what the traitors deserve--particularly after 9-11 standdown and obfuscation that the U.S. political elites killed several thousand people for their own goals of further distraction from this supramajority.

Remember back in 1999? The 'battle of Seattle' the WTO on the run. "Teamsters and Turtles" marching together. The French aristocratic elites running the U.S. probabaly sh*t the fan that socially conservative labor was joining environmentalism parades and protesting global privatization with them. 9-11 was a huge distraction (one they had been planning for generations though) for ushering in a tyrannical police state against this supramajority.

And another point:

IC finally wrung it out and said what was bothering him:

"So, there's the real swindle, the biggest Big Lie: that things are the way they are because there just isn't any other way. And then came Rense & Icke to put the fookin' icing on the evil cake be telling us that we can't possibly fix the world because the bad guys have magical powers."

...Frankly, chiming in here, I don't think you could find or blame Icke or Rense for how you have come to interpret such things. What you are talking about is a worry over an interpretation. Because you are worried about that interpretation, you think that that is the purpose of someone else's whole line of approach. I never get what you 'got' interpretively from Icke or Rense, and I expect that others feel the same, though I do expect that others feel like you as well about them both.

I suggest you attempt to separate your interpretations of information (that "secret agenda" of everyone else you "just happen to know"; i.e., your interpretative phrase "the real swindle" (sic)) and stick to sharing information.

Though I like your writing, I have noted you tend to blur these two things always. And you attempt to do less of a job of convincing someone than you merely attempt to wrap them up in your blur of these two issues.

What I like about Jeff's blog, is that he very clearly makes a differentiation--except for some hot button topics where he "plays the Cuttlefish" so to speak--between what he reports on and what he is commenting upon.

Jeff makes those transitions mostly transparent for the reader, though you, IC, love to blur these and pretend that your interpretation of some thing is the fact at hand being debated.

10/23/2006 02:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oarwell said:

To all Believers in Aliens: I have a small question. How come the aliens, being so advanced and all, never invented nanotechnology?

How do you know they didn't. ;-) A great deal of the black op craft are alien back-engineered technologies.

Or, perhaps they were "too smart" to invent something that would destroy their bodies--like it will do to humans, i.e., humans are "just stupid enough" to invent and poplarize nanotech. Nano should be banned.

10/23/2006 02:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff may have to re-edit the post once more, particularly if the Putin quote about Katzav never had the word rape in it, as per that other comment above.

Thanks for that, other anon.

10/23/2006 02:44:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

shrub asked -

Why the hell does it have to be Lizards?

That particular trope, I think, goes back to Robert E. Howard's first King Kull story, "The Shadow Kingdom" (1929), from the days when he was still trying to channel Lovecraft:

. . . the face began to merge and fade, and as Kull caught his breath, his hair a-prickle, the human features vanished and there the jaws of a great snake gaped hideously, the terrible beady eyes venomous even in death . . .

"Aye, you remember, Kull," said Brule. . . . "For that phrase has come secretly down the grim and bloody eons, since when, uncounted centures ago, those words were watchwords for the race of men who battled with the grisly beings of the Elder Universe. . . .

"Long and terrible was the war, lasting through the bloody centuries since first the first men, risen from the mire of apedom, turned upon those who then ruled the world. And at last mankind conquered, so long ago that naught but dim legends come to us through the ages. . . . Ah, that was a grim and secret war! Among the men of the Younger Earth stole the frightful monsters of the Elder Planet, safeguarded by their horrid wisdom and mysticisms, taking all forms and shapes, doing deeds of horror secretly! No man knew who was true man and who false. No man could trust any man. Yet by means of their own craft they formed ways by which the false might be known from the true."


And so on and so on. Rank saurophobia, of course, but there you have it . . . horrid wisdom and mysticisms, indeed.

10/23/2006 03:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark, thank you for your precise parsing and eloquent expansion of the core of my argument about the false left/right paradigm.

You very accurately show exactly how and why the tyrants continue to divide and thus conquer the masses, by using the distraction of hot button interpersonal views to obscure the overwhelming agreement that exists among the significant majority of people on the broader social issues and the direction that needed change must take.

To Star, the lizard thing goes just a bit further back in time than HP Lovecraft, for heaven's sake, with both positively and negatively ascribed attributes. There's the kundalini serpent, the serpent in the Garden of Eden, dragons in China and Medieval Europe. I think your comment was not too terribly well thought through, at best, with all due respect.

IC, you wrote "if not for their work the robber barons would still be squeezing blood from the turnips of old age and childhood labor." Uh, hello: Indonesian child slave factories making $160 Nikes for the yuppies and ghetto kids alike? Chinese slave laborers (mostly women) making $75 DVD players for WalMart? Malaysian slave laborers (mostly women again) making flat screen HDTVs for Costco? Philippine, Bangladeshi and other East Asian slaves given boarding cards from Kuwait to Dubai (which has its own slave market from construction workers to, literally, child camel jockeys), who actually end up in Iraq where they are sent to build the "US Embassy", which is actually a 104 acre fortress that exceeds in size and mass the entirety of Vatican City/ Il Citi Vaticanne, which is a sovereign state? Or how about the young prisoners of the "drug wars" who are given probation if they join the Army and go to Iraq? Or those poor kids of 17 years of age who are not in jail but still see the military as their only way out and up? No child labor or slavery in American or this world of bigger and badder robber barons than ever? Who you bees kiddin', mon?

IC you also wrote: "And then came Rense & Icke to put the fookin' icing on the evil cake be telling us that we can't possibly fix the world because the bad guys have magical powers. That power and wealth are transgenerational is no sublime mystery; the meek have never inherited anything but debt, sweat and misery while the well-off always manage to pass their station in life on to their idiot-bastard sons (even without killing the "death tax"). The effect of scaring the incredulous with tales of illuminist omnipotence is that they, the abused and exploited masses, never consider the fact that if every single 33rd+ degree Grand Poo-bah were incarcerated or immolated, absolutely nothing would change."

Oh but I beg to differ. Reminds me of that old joke: "What do you call 40,000 lawyers at the bottome of the sea?"

A good start.

10/23/2006 04:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Mojo Workout said...

That last post was from me. I forgot to put in the handle.

10/23/2006 04:15:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Mark,
Your distinction is very, very strange. "Commenting" is "information-sharing," to which I should stick; otherwise, I'm "interpreting"? You need a license for that, or just statistics? Shouldn't Jeff change the tagline to "Leave your Information"? Commenting is interpreting, where I come from. Also, you didn't understand how I assess the Rense & Icke Show? Have you visited them? Lastly, I didn't explain why politics was a swindle? Really? I hardly think anyone wants more verbiage from me, as this is commentary, not education, but okay...

10/23/2006 04:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Mojo Workout said...
That last post was from me. I forgot to put in the handle.


You don't say? And here I thought it was Brother Justin.

10/23/2006 04:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I hear you, IC. I hate it when "they" (The Darpa Boys) pull the "you'd be more persuasive if you just bend over and let us defile your rectum" routine.

As if "their" (Mojo And The Bear) Cut & Paste Spam is somehow persuading.....well, actually it has persuaded me...it's persuaded me that "they" are annoying and have a distinct agenda.....but, I love them as I love all God's Children.

10/23/2006 04:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Brother Justin said...

Shrubidjit, you just can't stand to see a few people have an intelligent civilized conversation, can you? Goes against your scatalogical tendencies, doesn't it? Well, you can always goe Sybil and post a bunch of red herrings, straw men, ad hominem attacks under multiple monikers. Or, you could just try and get past your own insufferable arrogance that borders on a kind of autism, and read and think and try and learn something without trying to force it into one of the tiny, pre-existing pigeonholes that seem to constitute what passes for your mind.

Just my opinion.

10/23/2006 04:41:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

anonymous -

Mythological serpents and dragons are one thing. Shapeshifting reptilian alien overlords are quite another. I don't know of any example of those before the Howard story -- and know enough of the history of science fiction to be fairly sure it was the first.

10/23/2006 05:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Pride Goest Before the Mall said...

This is a very nice little (22 minutes)summation of the Bush-CIA-JFK link, done with a Goodfellas-style narration:

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/09/meet-bushes.html

10/23/2006 06:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

From the "Uh-Oh, dey ain't wantin' our war propaganda no mo" Dept:

"LOS ANGELES, Oct. 23 — Clint Eastwood’s World War II movie “Flags of Our Fathers” lumbered ashore this weekend weighted with the expectations of a studio needing to win big. Looking for Oscars and a payoff on the film’s $90 million budget, Paramount, its distributor, put the film in nearly 1,900 theaters, and still plans to add hundreds more as early as this week.

By Monday morning, however, the studio and its partners found themselves facing a costly fight to save their showcase awards entry, as “Flags” took in just $10.2 million at the box office — a relatively tiny beachhead that did not match expectations or its mostly strong reviews. The picture had failed to excite enough older viewers who could remember, readily identify or relate to its subject, the bloody battle for Iwo Jima, to make up for its lack of appeal to younger audiences and paucity of recognizable stars."

$10 Million! That's a joke! That barely covers the key grip's coke! Maybe the Washingtoon crowd will shunt some laundered drug cash over to the studio to help cover costs. After all, who benefits from such contrived war porn, anyway?

Another dog that will land DOA in local theatres is the Matt Damon vehicle which worships at the CIAs feet, 'The Good Shepherd.'
I almost threw up during the trailer--all tweeds and spook hagiography. I mean, where would we be without the CIA? Probably all speaking Nauruan, and having to carry biometric data chips and spy on one another. Hey, wait a minute...

10/23/2006 06:49:00 PM  
Blogger RDR said...

Ever notice how some of those who post most heavily on seemingly every response thread to Jeff's posts- particularly those who toss in wildly off-topic material, or who carry on protracted flame wars that appear to have dropped in from another site entirely- show so little interest in posting on the associated discussion board, where the discourse is usually more thoughtful, generally stays close to the topic, and for the most part steers clear of petty flame wars?

What could it mean?

10/23/2006 07:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Just my opinion.

Really? You, an opinion?

Who woulda thunk?

Regurgitated theory with little to no ability to think for yourself is quite the opposite of intelligence. That much is obvious from your posts. Your agenda is a bit more camoflauged....but nonetheless, readily apparent when using the appropriate filter....as in Mojo.

A discussion with Mojo Filtrete goes something like this:

Misc. Poster: It looks like the plan is to reinstate the Taliban in Afghanistan.

MojoAnonyWorkoutFilter: Illuminati

Misc. Poster: Excuse me, what?

MojoAnonyWorkoutFilter: Skull & Bones, you Idiot!!

Misc. Poster: What the hell are you talking about?

MojoAnonyWorkoutFilter: Sphincter

A trillion pages of useless spam

Moron....Lizards....Whitney-Foster....Cheney.....Frank....Intelligent Conversation.....Don't Look In My Crawl Space....It's Not Pretty.....Must Kill Shrubageddon....Can't Get Him Out Of My Head....Kill Him.....Dirty Jews.....Richard and Jules...Where's Richard....Shrubameggido The Dominant One....Will Destroy Him....Make Poindexter Happy....Where Am I Meeting The Boys For Lunch Today.

Fade to the Rubber Room and the uncrooked jacket.

10/23/2006 07:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

What could it mean?

I'd say they're considerate, in that they don't want to disrupt the the more formal forum.

10/23/2006 08:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

So, RDR, no comments on the Internet Addiction comment I posted. The title of Jeff's Post is All Tumbling Down, and I believe the point of my comments fits nicely under that heading.

What's your moniker on the Forum, RDR?

It would be interesting if Jeff could mix and match the IP's of the various Anony's who post to this comment section to see how many are the same source....and if that source can be traced to a poster, or posters on the Forum.

I would really love to flush this bird, or these birds out, cuz disguising oneself as Anony to take pop shots is awfully cowardly.

10/23/2006 08:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Make that pot.....as in calling the kettle black.

10/23/2006 08:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brother Justin said... "Shrubidjit, you just can't stand to see a few people have an intelligent civilized conversation, can you? Goes against your scatalogical tendencies, doesn't it? Well, you can always goe Sybil and post a bunch of red herrings, straw men, ad hominem attacks under multiple monikers. Or, you could just try and get past your own insufferable arrogance that borders on a kind of autism, and read and think and try and learn something without trying to force it into one of the tiny, pre-existing pigeonholes that seem to constitute what passes for your mind."

A Hail Mary for Brother Justin!

and

RDR said...Ever notice how some of those who post most heavily on seemingly every response thread to Jeff's posts--particularly those who toss in wildly off-topic material, or who carry on protracted flame wars that appear to have dropped in from another site entirely--show so little interest in posting on the associated discussion board, where the discourse is usually more thoughtful, generally stays close to the topic, and for the most part steers clear of petty flame wars? What could it mean?"

And a bloody mary RDR! Shrub's buying.

10/23/2006 09:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

Gosh, RDR, I'll try to toe the line. Here is some on-topic fare, fresh from Billmon (I hope quoting from other blogs is okay with you, 115 comments down the line):

"If you've been reading the lefty blogs, you're already well aware of the White House Whopper of the Day:

HANNAH STORM: So, Mr. Bartlett, staying the course is no longer the operative strategy?
BARTLETT: Well, Hannah, it's never been a "stay the course" strategy.


That was the follow up to yesterday's Whopper of the Day, as told by the Double Whopper with Cheese himself:

STEPHANOPOULOS: That's exactly what I wanted to ask you about because [former Secretary of State under President George H.W. Bush] James Baker says he's looking for something between . . . cut and run and stay the course.
BUSH: Listen, we've never been stay the course, George.

Think Progress found six previous cases where the Hamburger in Chief used the phrase "stay the course" to describe Dick Cheney's policy in Iraq. But I don't think they looked very hard, because Bernhard over at Moon of Alabama took a stroll through the White House web site and found no less than eighteen of them (all of which no doubt will be scrubbed from the site by morning.) And that's not even counting President Cheney's own use of the term:

A free Iraq will mean a peaceful world. And it's very important for us to stay the course, and we will stay the course.
President Discusses AIDS Initiative, Iraq in Botswana
July 10, 2003

It's in the national interest of the United States that a peaceful Iraq emerge. And we will stay the course in order to achieve this objective.
President Bush, Ambassador Bremer Discuss Progress in Iraq
October 27, 2003


They want us to leave, because they know that a free and peaceful Iraq in their midst will damage their cause. And we will stay the course, we will do our job.
President Bush Visits California -- Talks to Victims of Fires
November 4, 2003


We will stay the course.
President Bush, Italian President Ciampi Discuss Iraq
November 14, 2003


I was able to assure them that we were going to stay the course and get the job done . . .
President Discusses Trip to Iraq with Reporters
November 27, 2003


And, as in the aftermath of the terrible attack on Pearl Harbor, our Nation will stay the course, and we will prevail.
National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day, 2003
December 5, 2003


We will stay the course until the job is done, Steve. And the temptation is to try to get the President or somebody to put a timetable on the definition of getting the job done. We're just going to stay the course. And it's very important for the Iraqi people to know that.
President Bush Holds Press Conference
December 15, 2003


I told the family how much we appreciated his sacrifice -- he was killed in Iraq -- and assured him that we would stay the course.
President Bush Discusses Iraq, 9/11 Commission with Reporters
April 5, 2004


We will stay the course. The Iraqi people don't have to fear taking the risk toward freedom and democracy because America won't turn and run.
Global Message
April 6, 2004


Look, this is hard work. It's hard to advance freedom in a country that has been strangled by tyranny. And, yet, we must stay the course, because the end result is in our nation's interest.
President Addresses the Nation in Prime Time Press Conference
April 13, 2004


And that's why we're going to stay the course in Iraq.
Bush, Blair Discuss Sharon Plan; Future of Iraq in Press Conference
April 16, 2004


If we don't lose our nerve, if we stay the course, someday down the road, an American President will be working with democratically elected leaders in the broader Middle East at the table to keep the peace.
President's Remarks at Mike Sodrel for Congress and Indiana Victory 2006 Reception
March 24, 2006


And I'd just like to reiterate what the other governors have said, that it is very important that we stay the course, that we provide support for these incredible people that are doing such a service for liberty around the world and protecting our freedoms here.
President Meets with Governors Who Traveled to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan
April 19, 2006


And I saw people wondering whether the United States would have the nerve to stay the course and help them succeed.
Remarks by the President at the 2006 President's Dinner
June 19, 2006


As a matter of fact, we will win in Iraq so long as we stay the course.
Remarks by the President at "Green for Wisconsin" Reception
July 11, 2006


But there's no alternative but to stay the course with it. And we will.
President Bush and Prime Minister Blair of the United Kingdom Participate in Press Availability
July 28, 2006


We will stay the course, we will help this young Iraqi democracy succeed.
President Bush's Remarks Upon Arrival in Utah
August 30, 2006


Stay the course also means don't leave before the job is done. And that's -- we're going to get the job done in Iraq. And it's important that we do get the job done in Iraq.
Press Conference by the President
October 11, 2006


Now that's staying the course.

I have to wonder how the repudiation will go over with the true believers. The promise, after all, had a certain Biblical resonance to it, along the lines of:

I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith."

So, too, we must "stay the course" in blog comments: no going wobbly here, RDR, rest assured.
If its mutability we seek, there's always official statements faithfully transcribed by the MSM.

Stay the course
Don't switch that horse
This war we'll win
Like Ho Chi Minh
And if Baghdad we quit
Sell 'em 'Coke is it!'
There's always Paraguay
Or some underage guy
Of wars there's no end
Immortal Horse, comprehend?

Are poetasters allowed, RDR? Please, condescend.

10/23/2006 09:44:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Anonymous,
You are spot on about the role of imperialism in the mess that we call the modern world: I couldn’t agree more, which is why I started my comments in this thread with excerpts from Joe Bageant's Thank Heaven for 7-Eleven essay. But why did you feel it necessary to paint me as some sort of apologist for the Empire? (IC, you wrote "if not for their work the robber barons would still be squeezing blood from the turnips of old age and childhood labor." Uh, hello: Indonesian child slave factories…) You know that the very next sentence was a satirical, parenthetical comment on the robber barons’ overseas operations: “(Exempted from the curse of conscience by the gift of American exceptionalism, we don't need to waste any thought for the continuation of these practices in ‘foreign parts.’)” That’s just a tad disingenuous, wouldn’t you say? Did you read the rest of
Joe’s rant? Here’s a few more “highlights”:

Mercifully enough, the same predatory American capitalism that generates so much of the world's misery renders its own citizens irrelevant save for their purchasing power, to the entire process and therefore guiltless -- in their own minds at least -- of the empire's crimes.

Ask any poor suffering bastard in the garbage dumps of Mumbai or Caracas to name the best place in the world to live and most will answer "The United States." Maybe it's for all the wrong reasons. And surely the image is driven by the global hype and bullshit of an America that cannot get over itself -- cannot pause from its huckstering long enough to see that the America of both John Wayne and FDR quit circling the drain thirty years ago. It has since been pulled asunder by spectacular greed and the learned helplessness of the consumer state. And denial. The kind that allows us to sanctify the young men starring in that horrific snuff flick over in Iraq as "heroes." But we were talking about the third world weren't we? Where if you are eating spoiled cat meat and getting raped nightly in a Bangkok slum, things like a Cutlass gunboat with busted springs and a Smokey Big Bite on a Sunday morning look good. Damned good. There is not much that cannot be explained by population geography and proximity to basic goods and services. This is not wasted upon the predatory few among us concerned with capturing, holding and blackmailing others for access to them under our free market system. It's a brutal process, one we can only coexist with through ironclad denial. Did free people make your clothes? Mine neither.
(The
rest is even better…)

Look, mate, we don’t really have any meaningful disagreement, other than our (slightly) differing views on why the Left/Right dichotomy is false (as near as I can decipher it, we part company on this issue at the point where I maintain there is no Left and really hasn’t been since the progressive movement was murdered by Wilson’s Espionage Act.) Be that as it may, you don’t really need to describe me as “…represent(ing) those who would have everything censored fit a ‘Party Line’, IC....You should look in the mirror for the totalitarian minded left.” Dude, I’m not a Clintonite or any other such nonsense, and you know it. Let’s face it—the reason I pissed you off was that I dissed your boys, R & I. Why take it so personally? I just had this happen with some cat who was OUTRAGED that I suggested that Mike Ruppert was a devious, self-and monopoly-serving son of a bitch. In both cases, I explained my reasons, but it wasn’t somehow enough because the insult couldn’t be retracted. Now, you seem a good deal more rational than this other irate person, but it feels similar, as if you’re personally invested in the integrity of your sources, which is probably not entirely healthy.

If somebody told me that Joe Bageant was working for Dick Cheney, I might laugh, and if it were true I might be sad, but he’s not me and I’m not emotionally invested in his relationship with the world. The other thing that strikes me as slightly crazy about all the emotion around here is that people sometimes take it so damned seriously. The Ruppert groupie was ready to challenge me to a duel over my “malicious lies,” which is just so hysterical and, well, disproportionate. I mean, Ruppert and Rense and Mr. Sticky, yeah, they’ve got followers: millions and millions of people assimilate what they put out there, really make it part of who they are, but me? How many people do you really think are going to quote someone calling himself a cuttlefish? I’m just a guy who sits at a computer a couple hours a day. I read, I write, and I have no responsibility to anyone but myself with what I might say. What’s to be upset about?

This brings me to Mark, who felt it necessary to instruct me on my responsibilities as a, what, “commentator”? Deeply weird, Sir. Mark, I’ve been chewing on something you said for a few hours now, and I find myself even more perplexed. Not about my proper role in the comment field—that I’ve already set out to pasture. It was in your remarks about the “separation innately between interpersonal politics and social politics.” As an example, you delved into

The history of Wisconsin, particularly in national politics has been one of xenophobia as well as very radical leftism simultanesously. By the 1930s, the LaFolletes were turning quite pro Nazi in their iconography and even had a little "blue circle" flag with 13 red and white stripes, as an echo of the National Socialist flag in Germany.

Were you really serious about that? Fighting Bob LaFollette and the Wisconsin Progressives were Nazis?! And your professional interpretation was based on their 'little blue circle flags,' where you counted the number of red & white stripes in order to deduce their secret Nazi affiliations? (No wonder Rense doesn't strike you as suspicious...) Nevermind the actual policies, achievements and philosophies of the most progressive group in US history: you analyze their little blue circle flags for your interpretation? C’mon—you’re not really serious, are you? What would this make them, xenophobic, or very radically leftist? The irony here, well, one of them, is your tone toward their ethnicity, in the same passage where you presumably describe their xenophobia:

…insight into how interpersonal politics can be "conservative" and social politics can be "liberal" simultaneously, the state is one of the largest Germananocentric populations in U.S., even more than Pennsylvania.

The state itself was founded in 1848, off failed ethnically solid German "liberal" revolutionaries.


You make that “Germananocentric” stuff sound pretty scary, Mark. In fact, it was one of the reasons that Wilson hated Victor Berger and had him sent to Leavenworth, or at least tried real hard to. Wilson was pushing the
Huns-bayonetting-babies meme pretty stiffly by this point,
"liberty cabbage" had replaced sauerkraut, and stubborn Victor Berger refused to stop printing his newspaper in German and argued that the war (WWI) was a war for marketshare between opposing empires, not some question of “making the world safe for democracy,” or defending liberty from German aggression. His call for criminalizing war profits might have also played a small role in his railroading...

What you failed to point out was that, just like Ben Franklin’s nomination of the wild turkey as national symbol almost won, German very nearly became the official language in Milwaukee and of the whole state. There were many reasons for this, not merely due to the huge numbers of German speaking residents. As you mention, most of the ethnic Germans had arrived in the aftermath of the revolution of 1848—the vote to decide wehther German or English would be the official language wasn’t held until 1911, 63 years later. Immigrants from other countries were learning German when they came to Milwaukee. The German language has a very strong literary, educational, and social history. The Turnvereine (gymnastic clubs) were one of the centers of German Socialist activity. The other was the newspaper office. Neither were fascist. Yeah, I know, Germans and Nazis…sorry; it was the opposite, I’m afraid, incomprehensible as that may seem.

Just because Berger continued to use the language that he and most of his readers were most fluent in, didn’t make him xenophobic, or a Nazi or any of the other things you seem to imply about his brother in the struggle, Bob LaFollette. In fact, it kinda makes you sound just a tad xenophobic yourself. At any rate, your example of “the history of Wisconsin” does not “throw(s) a real loop or insight into how interpersonal politics can be 'conservative' and social politics can be 'liberal' simultaneously." The Wisconsin Progressives were interpersonally conservative because they spoke German? Or was it the little blue circle flags? Now I’m confused. I thought you were the profi at this interpretin’ stuff? Well, you know what Hunter S. Thompson used to say:

„Wenn die Sache irr wird, werden die Irren zu Profis“

10/24/2006 01:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shrubby must be his name for being as airy as a tumbleweed bush.

Were you trying to be funny? Is that why barely anyone seemed to object to your hateful remarks?

Pat Tillman is as heroic a role model as this country has produced in this young millenium. And your lack of sympathy for the troops only illustrates how barely you have envisioned their circumstances. You really believe ALL our soldiers are trying to kill all the arabs they see. You're contemptible brand of America-hating turns my stomach, and stinks up this place worse than a smelly, raging anti-semite.

10/24/2006 02:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's some stuff on "aliens" that's intelligent and neither dogmatically anti- or pro- :

www.martiansgohome.com/smear/
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/reflect.htm

http://www.elfis.net/elfol7/ufosac.htm

Stillings, Dennis, ed. "Cyberbiological Studies of the Imaginal Component in the UFO Contact Experience." Archaeus. Volume 5, 1989

Jung, C.G. "Flying Saucers : A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Skies"

10/24/2006 03:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In response to all the Pat Tillman-worship, I present - Ehren Watada.

Not that they are mutually exclusive, but I think we now need an army of Watadas more than an army of Tillmans.

Better to be disillusioned before being maimed by warfare.

10/24/2006 03:47:00 AM  
Blogger Robert Persson said...

Iridescent Cuttlefish said:

The Ruppert groupie was ready to challenge me to a duel over my “malicious lies,” which is just so hysterical and, well, disproportionate.

I am that "Ruppert groupie". I said that Iridescent Cuttlefish told a gross and malicious lie because it was true. I challenged I.C. to provide evidence to support the statement that he/she made, but none has been provided. Instead I got nothing but inconsequential inuendo and ad hominem attacks such as the one above.

The full exchange between me and I.C. is at http://rigint.blogspot.com/2006/10/moonshadow.html#comments so you can decide for yourself whether I am making a fuss over nothing. If anybody can fault my facts or my reasoning then please make this known. Otherwise you will have to accept, ugly though this may be, that I.C. tells lies. As for why whoever I.C. really is should be telling such lies--whether it is simply due to arrogance or whether there is a more sinister agenda at play--I am not as sure of the answer as I was when I first challenged him/her, but my hunch is still that this is part of something bigger. Again, please read the exchange between I.C. and me for yourselves and speak your minds. Distinguishing what is disinfo from mere wrongheadedness is not at all easy and I would honestly like to learn from my mistake if that is what I am making.

10/24/2006 04:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Mojo Workout said...

Starroute, viz. your rejoinder on the serpent issue, I didn't grasp the sci-fi specificity of your original point, it seems, however....kundalini is not "mythological," rather quite real, and the serpent in the garden of Eden does strike one as being both a shapeshifter and a would be overlord, not to mention alien (we are not fallen angels), so.......I guess I'll hold to my original exception to your thesis.

10/24/2006 08:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Mojo Workout said...

IC, when you wrote "if not for their work the robber barons would still be squeezing blood from the turnips of old age and childhood labor," I took exception by listing many examples both inside the US, as well as in "foreign" lands, where this statement is proven false.

While I could not, frankly, grasp what you meant by your parenthetical "(Exempted from the curse of conscience by the gift of American exceptionalism, we don't need to waste any thought for the continuation of thise practices in 'foreign parts.')," and I do see that you were trying to carve out such an exception, I would reiterate that such exploitation, particularly in recruiting the poor and poorly educated for "careers" as cannon-fodder grunts in the military, not to mention the vast illegal immigrant labor market carried on within US borders, gives the lie to any idea that we have been cured or cleansed of such exploitive practices within the US.

When you write "It's not just that there is no Left (and, please, don't speak any further of the pretenders on the Hill), but that the idea of a just society has been discredited by the ascendancy of the Corporation and the much flaunted "failure of socialism." Why is it that no public figure can seem to articulate a vision of an equitable distribution of wealth and a common sense, sustainable conservation of resources? Because such a "system" is impossibly complex, or because "human nature" is too unevolved? No, because there is a "vast conspiracy" afoot, to quote the justly pillaried Hillary, who, being part of it.".... I couldn't agree with you more.

10/24/2006 09:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Mojo Workout said...
Starroute, viz. your rejoinder on the serpent issue, I didn't grasp the sci-fi specificity of your original point, it seems, however....kundalini is not "mythological," rather quite real, and the serpent in the garden of Eden does strike one as being both a shapeshifter and a would be overlord, not to mention alien (we are not fallen angels), so.......I guess I'll hold to my original exception to your thesis.


Either way, I still think both theories are somewhat flawed and incomplete. I will agree that both have plausible and probable elements, but it doesn't explain the seeming contradictions when reviewing the contemporary Alien Meme in its entirety.

As Oarwell indicated, there is the stark contradiction between the Alien's perceived Technological Superiority and their portrayed Physical Inferiority. I fail to see how either theory proposed resolves that contradiction.

Granted, there are exceptions to the portrayal of Alien's as Humanoid/Reptilian/Anthropoda/Insectoid Hybrids. I mentioned one, myself, and there are others, but the dominant theme of portrayal has been the aforementioned. Why?

Is it because the multitude of individuals who write books and scripts in this genre are so creatively bereft that they are incapable of envisioning Alien Lifeforms beyond the narrow parameters of this abused characterization? I find that hard to believe, don't you? I also find it equally hard to accept that it is some time-honored adherence to the sanctification of the Snake/Serpent as Mythological Symbol. That may very well have been the case with some portrayals, particularly the early ones in the life of this meme, but I don't accept it as the reasoning for the latter portrayals.

10/24/2006 10:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Mojo Workout,

I agree with your recent sentiments, but let's take it a step further, shall we?

I will start by asking a question.

Is it possible, considering (and that's the operative word, here), for the exploited to render themselves from their enslavement?

If so, how?

10/24/2006 10:12:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Mojo Workout,
Sorry for the sarcasm clouding my meaning--we are in perfect agreement on the evil of imperialism. In fact, this is the point of my point about how getting rid of the bloody Illuminati wouldn't really change anything: because it's the system in place, regardless of who's running it, that's killing us. This is where I ran into so much hostility about 9/11 as well. I'm fairly cerain that "catching the perps" would not in itself reform the system, entrenched as it is. It could be a step in that direction, but it's a very long and difficult road with lots of money blocking the way.

10/24/2006 02:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Mojo Workout said...

I know there's another thread already started, but I'd like to respond to Shrub and the 'Fish.

'Fish, thanks for the reply. Yes, for certain, there is a corrupt system in place and kept that way with trillions, not even just billions of dollars (thank you, Dr. Evil for the pinkie thing!)

But, what of that?

Are we to just surrender and bend over? I think not. So how is it in any way not helpful to keep pulling the curtains back and exposing these mf's until enough of the hypnotized masses see through the scrim to the shadow makers behind?

Of course it HAS to be helpful, because just about everything f*cked up that's going on now, from the elimination of Habeus Corpus on down, is being tied to 9/11. If the lie were revealed to the majority of people then I think the whole Ponzi scheme, the entire house of cards would perforce come tumbling down. Perhaps not, but it certainly constitutes one of the best and clearest shots we've got at the moment. Kind of like the exhaust portal to the DeathStar, you know? (Just to keep the movie allusions going).

And that leads me to Shrub's question, to which I do not know the answer. Did the slave revolt of Rome led by Spartacus (not Kirk Douglas) solve anything? It doesn't seem so. Could the plantation slaves in the US have unshackled themselves and ended slavery? Doubtful.

Consider this: You most probably know how Mohandas Ghandi led the masses in India on salt marches to the sea to gather salt, in defiance of the British raj's prohibition against gathering or manufacturing salt. This not merely ended the monopoly on a commodity necessary for life in India, but the repeated acts of non-violent civil disobedience led to the fall of the raj, and with it, other parts of the British empire.

That said, there is a House Bill floating around the US congress that defines acts of NON-violent civil disobedience, AND ALSO, any non-violent actions which may adversely effect the profits of a corporation (and that would include investigative journalism bringing to light corporate wrong-doing, as well as consumer boycotts) as ACTS of TERRORISM.

Yes, that's right, there's a bill pending in the house (which is now along with the Senate on its election recess) that would make advocating a consumer boycott, or writing the truth about a corporation's misdeeds, and any number of other conventionally accepted acts of American citizenship, as ACTS of TERRORISM, punishble now under the recently signed Military Commissions Act, by arrest with secret evidence, secret imprisonment, even execution, all without the right to see the "evidence", to confront the accuser, OR even to know necessarily what one is charged with. AND, your loved ones would never even hav to be informed as to what happened to you.

Welcome to tierra de desaparecidos, norte.

So, can we slaves still unshackle ourselves? Good question. Now, just to tweak you both a little bit, consider this fact:

After pusing the House and Senate to pass this bill urgently, which each body did as the last act of legislation before recessing for the election, Bush waited two weeks to sign it. Why?

Well, he waited to sign it on the exact day of the 135th anniversary of the day that President Ulysses S. Grant had signed the suspension of habeus corpus for only the State of South Carolina. The reason for Grant's suspension of h.c. in S.C. was to facilitate the quashing of the Ku Klux Klan and to help enforce the rights of newly freed slaves.

The same KKK which was co-founded by Albert Pike, and in South Carolina, home then of the mother lodge of the world for all of freemasonry. Kind of at least makes you shake your head in wonder, doesn't it?

Coincidence, that Bush would wait two weeks to sign this URGENT piece of legislation, so he could do it on such an anniversary day as a kind of in-your-face retaliatory triumph? I rather doubt it. Keith Olbermann noted the coincidence of dates, but in the role designated to him as subversive, partial truth teller, intoned with all his whiny gravitas that "surely Bush could never have imagined that this was the same exact day."

Uh, yeah, sure. Riiiight.

Peace, brothers and sisters.

Thanks for engaging in dialogue.

We all need to work on unshackling ourselves, to be sure.

10/24/2006 05:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Continuing the unshackling project:

Well, he waited to sign it on the exact day of the 135th anniversary of the day that President Ulysses S. Grant had signed the suspension of habeus corpus for only the State of South Carolina. The reason for Grant's suspension of h.c. in S.C. was to facilitate the quashing of the Ku Klux Klan and to help enforce the rights of newly freed slaves.

The same KKK which was co-founded by Albert Pike, and in South Carolina, home then of the mother lodge of the world for all of freemasonry. Kind of at least makes you shake your head in wonder, doesn't it?

Coincidence, that Bush would wait two weeks to sign this URGENT piece of legislation, so he could do it on such an anniversary day as a kind of in-your-face retaliatory triumph?


I'd say 'in your face retalitory triumph.' Thanks for pointing that date out.

You can connect the dots from KKK southerners right into the Bush networks and the religious fundamentalist KKK networks as well.


More on Pike from a previous addendum thread here:

Title: Albert Pike Declares Three World Wars: The Uncanny Long Term Plan of the NWO Carried Out
Date: 2006.07.17 09:41

Description: With people like blowhard Gengrich declaring gleefully (and getting free press by saying) "its WWIII" , http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/07/342654.shtml, one should be aware AND GUARD AGAINST BEING MANIPULATED by a pre-planned war of the late 1800s, set up by high Masonic plotting to organize hatred between their "religious competitors" and (they hoped) which would remove religions of Christianity and Judaism on one side and Islam on the other all at once.

According to 33rd degree Mason, Albert Pike, head of the Scottish Rite for decades (and connected with the founding of the KKK as well as a Confederate army officer--the only Confederate officer with a Civil War statue in downtown Washington D.C.), you are just playing as pawns in their game if you fall for this transparent attempt to create an artificial war between the religions.

Pike had three world wars planned out by the late 1800s.

They have happened like clockwork on that plan since.

Particularly note Pike's purpose of the third world war, which does seem to be maneuvered into position thanks to the U.S. and Israeli warmongering.

On the Jewish/Christian side, Pike noted that those really in command would be those out to destroy and discredit all three religions by infiltration of the leadership and by artificially generating mutual self-destructive wars.

Avoid your hatred, and guard yourself: your emotions are being manipulated in a rigged game. A discussion of this rigged European chess game, with your body and mind as a pawn, follows.
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/07/342663.shtml

10/24/2006 08:06:00 PM  
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10/24/2006 09:17:00 PM  
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An interesting sidenote about Putin - when Paul McCartney did a show in Red Square in Moscow, documented in a DVD, Sir Paul of course sucked up to Putin, and Putin (contrary to expectation) came to the concert. But at the concert he never smiled or looked like he was enjoying himself.

10/25/2006 07:08:00 AM  
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