Thursday, August 03, 2006

Arcadian Fields Forever



Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see


This isn't what I'm still hoping to post later, but I thought this headline today deserved its own thread:

Man Says Sex With Kids a Sacred Ritual

CLEVELAND -- A man accused of sexually assaulting nine boys with physical or mental disabilities told a judge that having sex with children is a sacred ritual protected by civil rights laws.

Phillip Distasio, who said he is the leader of a church called Arcadian Fields Ministries, represented himself at his pretrial hearing Wednesday. He is charged with 74 counts including rape, pandering obscenity to minors and corrupting another with drugs.

"I'm a pedophile. I've been a pedophile for 20 years," he said in Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court Wednesday. "The only reason I'm charged with rape is that no one believes a child can consent to sex. The role of my ministry is to get these cases out of the courtrooms."

Distasio said some of his congregants are among the victims in this case. Distacio, of Rocky River, is accused of molesting two disabled boys he tutored at his home and raping seven autistic boys at a Cleveland school for special-needs students where he was a teacher's aide. All but one of the victims were under 13.

Distasio's Arcadian Fields website can be found here (though probably not for long), where he goes by the name of "Brother Pateticus," who "has taken it upon himself to revive the concept of making house calls in order to distribute sacrament to the needy and housebound."

An apparent email from "Pateticus" to Nambla members is more forthcoming about his church's true sacrament:

According to all outward appearances, the sanctuary will not be for boylovers. Anyone coming into this arrangement is going to have to put on a performance from time to time so that we can continue to deter the public eye from our true objectives. This is going to require a significant amount of creativity and intelligence from those who come to me for assistance.

I have gone to great lengths to construct a very elaborate rouse [sic] among which your members will be allowed to hide--so long as they are careful. If we pull this off properly, Nambla will appear to be one of many anonymous donors that are already lined up to contribute to the more publicly acceptable causes that this ministry is set up to support. Among the political chaos that we generate, your members will be allowed to disappear, co-exist or even re-locate.


On a Yahoo group he began called "Class Cutters," the home page of which is illustrated by a photograph of disabled children making faces through the emergency door of a school bus, he posted on March 19 last year: "We need to be careful... We can't be using anyone's real name in any text files or emails that might be accessible to the public--especially in the yahoo group... Class Cutters is a group parenting initiative, this means that every parent signing up will have a curriculum that is catered towards the unique needs of their child(ren)."

By the way, what was the last anyone's heard from Ponchatoula?

92 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, I haven't done the research into Nambla to find this out (mainly because it horrifies me to think that a group like Nambla actually exists) but do we know what their main hub of operations is? I mean If certain people knew where they were, perhaps they could exterminate them. seriously, I understand the idea of free speech and all but ummm, did anyone see that southpark episode, oh of course you did and really I guess I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said before but, I mean, I could see myself deciding to go to a Nambla convention Rambo style and just killing them all. Obviously, I would need help, but just putting this out there and really being serious about it I can see how I'm kind of dead in the water here before anything can happen. I need a P.O. Box so I can recieve correspondence from others here who want to exterminate these fucking sickos.
I'm serious.
-tetsuro

8/03/2006 09:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

What's most telling to me is the fact that despite the publicity and supposed scrutiny this issue has received in the last decade, or more, it appears to me that the epidemic is flourishing in inverse correlation to the supposed crack-down.

Am I alone in that assessment?

8/03/2006 09:44:00 AM  
Blogger Leeq said...

Hi Jeff! In regards to you latest article and considering that you've mentioned Richard Hamlin and his case in some of your previous articles, I just wanted to inform you and your readers that I recently interviewed Richard on my radio show "Red Ice Radio". All info and download link etc. can be found here: Red Ice Radio - Richard Hamlin - Mind Control, Mk-Ultra & Satanic Ritual Abuse

I first got my eye's on richard's case thanks to your writings Jeff, so my hat off to you for that!

... and I think that all the readers out there should presure Jeff so he would come on my show and do an interview. I'd bet you guys would enjoy the program! ;-)

Anyhow, thank you for your excellent writing Jeff, keep up the good work!

8/03/2006 10:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I don't want to pressure Jeff to do anything. In so doing, I consciously, or unconsciously usurp his freedom of thought and pin him in a corner not of his design.

There's a discernible trade-off for celebrity status. It;s like Sampson losing his hair.

8/03/2006 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Raping disabled & handicapped kids?

As if they don't already have enough shit in their God delivered shit sandwich.

I'm with tetsuro, shoot the fucker in the face then push his carcass over the hill to the riverbank & let the rats eat it.

Although that's probably waaaaaaaaaaay too goddamn merciful.

Hey Shrub & luposapien,
Your welcome.

The Tesla thing was definitely a jaw dropper for me too.

8/03/2006 11:58:00 AM  
Blogger Doner Kebab said...

This is wild stuff. His myspace is already down but the rest is up. How about this quote for some foreshadowing:

"Dionysus and his priests and priestesses (Satyrs and Maenads) would end up seducing anyone that wanted to live such a free and unfettered lifestyle. This is where they ended up getting a reputation for child stealing and kidnapping--when in reality all they really did was lure people away from society through leisure time and unconditional sharing."

Yuk

http://www.myspace.com/pateticus/

8/03/2006 12:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

I see that on his website, he identifies his 'Ministry' as part of the Universal Life Church.

http://www.ulc.org/

I remember hearing about them back in college, and knew a couple people who were Ministers of the ULC. It was taken as sort of a joke, as all you needed to do to become ordained was submit an application, and, viola, you're a minister.

Anybody know if there's more sinister stuff going on under their umbrella, or was Mr. Distasio just using them as a cover? Oh, and the link to his Yahoo Profile, username: brother_petty.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/brother_petty

Just about as creepy as they get.

8/03/2006 12:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

He also claims to be a member of the Church of Cannabis, which doesn't seem to have a presence anywhere on the web.

8/03/2006 12:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Not that I'm big poll proponent, but this is slightly interesting:

"More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.

The national survey of 1,010 adults also found that anger against the federal government is at record levels, with 54 percent saying they "personally are more angry" at the government than they used to be.

Widespread resentment and alienation toward the national government appears to be fueling a growing acceptance of conspiracy theories about the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Suspicions that the 9/11 attacks were "an inside job" - the common phrase used by conspiracy theorists on the Internet - quickly have become nearly as popular as decades-old conspiracy theories that the federal government was responsible for President John F. Kennedy's assassination and that it has covered up proof of space aliens.

Thirty-six percent of respondents overall said it is "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that federal officials either participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or took no action to stop them "because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East."

"One out of three sounds high, but that may very well be right," said Lee Hamilton, former vice chairman of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also called the 9/11 Commission.) His congressionally appointed investigation concluded that federal officials bungled their attempts to prevent, but did not participate in, the attacks by al-Qaida five years ago.

The poll also found that 16 percent of Americans speculate that secretly planted explosives, not airliners, were the reason the twin towers of the World Trade Center collapsed."

8/03/2006 01:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff,

You always credit Dylan when using his lyrics. Why not Lennon/McCartney?

Being the survivor or sixteen years of Catholic school I have a certain "attraction" to your ritual abuse postings. I saw the Arcadian story on the internet yesterday and knew you would comment on it.

Rigorous Intuition is the most intriguing site on the web today. Keep up the good work.

Harker

8/03/2006 01:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Sorry, I'm stuttering again but this caught my eye on re-read:

"an inside job" - the common phrase used by conspiracy theorists on the Internet -

So what phrase do folk use off the internet?

Clusterfuck?

Constitutional Ass-Reaming?

Big fat fucking mess?

I like how they tied it in with JFK & space aliens, the all-purpose de-bunking tool used to expose crackpots everywhere.

What bullshit.

8/03/2006 01:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone have an idea of what these pedophiles mean by saying that having sex with underage boys is a "sacred ritual"? Do I want to know? I'm worried about this act being some kind of door that opens one to a deeper and darker world. Their behavior is just too much for me to comprehend, and I'm glad for that (as much as I should be). Don't know if you've used this one before Jeff, a wag of my finger to you if you haven't...
"Some things are too hot to touch, The human mind can only stand so much." -- Bob Dylan
-tlg

8/03/2006 01:27:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

"You always credit Dylan when using his lyrics. Why not Lennon/McCartney?"

I had originally, but then I thought because of the allusion to the song in the title and the familiarity of the lyrics, it was redundant. Like a common Bible quote attributed to "Bible." I did the same thing once before, with Helter Skelter.

8/03/2006 01:53:00 PM  
Blogger Et in Arcadia ego said...

What the fuck is this shit, man? I guess it's time for me to get a different screen name..

8/03/2006 02:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nambla is pretty much out of existence due to the feds. Membership is low, meetings are non-existent. Only 2 offices left in NYC and San Francisco. Website still exists but it's mostly a shell.

8/03/2006 02:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Raul said...

From:

http://profiles.yahoo.com/brother_petty

Favorite Quote:
Be the changes you want to see.

Tetsuro,

Beside the fact that extermination is always bad, if you're really intent on violence I think a creative person could come up with more substantial targets. Also, from a legal perspective, posting thoughts of such activities is never a good idea.

8/03/2006 02:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Richard:

The Tesla thing was definitely a jaw dropper for me too.

I missed that. What was it?

8/03/2006 02:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Raul said...

Take a look at the kid's shirt on the right on the ClassCutters page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/classcutters/

Jeff,

Going back to the Ponchatoula post, the usefulness of a time/date stamp on posts becomes very clear. Is it possible to set one up? If so, please do so.

8/03/2006 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

I'm with the crowd wondering, "What does it all mean?", by which I mean, what is the effect on us of hearing these stories of satanic, cannibal, ritual abuse? For all the noise that the fundamentalists make about actually believing the mumbo-jumbo call their dogma, you'd think they'd be all over this kind of stuff, but there seems to be a strange silence from that crowd. Is it that they want to reserve the devil card for strategic attacks on political opponents (liberals, intellectuals, etc.), or are they possibly protecting their own, or is the widening ring of these occurrences part of some sort of conditioning, some agenda of induced fear, confusion and despair?

R.A. Wilson* talked about the effect on the populace of sham allegations of satanism and ritual abuse; how much more disconcerting if the allegations weren't false?

*This mass hysteria I see as part of the Future Shock of our accelerated social destabilization as "life as we know it" vanishes and gets replaced more and more by "life as we used to read it in science-fiction." Naive people have grown terrorized by text books, by pop music, by games, and even by school-teachers (the most inoffensive persons around); accusations of "Satanism" have targeted all of these. The whole modern (or post-modern) world seems incomprehensible, and therefore sinister, to millions of our citizens.

So, is it possible to orchestrate such things? Is this also why we were shown a bit of the sick world of the Franklin child sex ring, only to have the whole story disappear, with no consequences to the powerful people involved? Did they tell us that the Duke Cunningham sexual bribery circuit was going to bigger than any previous scandal, only to have it die a quiet death like all the others in order to flaunt their invincibility, to scare us into submission? What is the overall effect of this pattern of dark scandal revelation followed by...nada?

8/03/2006 02:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

On principle, I'm not a big fan of revenge killings, though I'm sure if I was the parent of one of those kids...

Anyway, if it makes anyone feel better, according to the story it sounds like this guy's dead set on representing himself, which in a case like this is pretty much a one-way ticket to the big-house, and "A conviction on rape counts involving any of the eight younger boys would mean an automatic sentence of life in prison without parole eligibility, prosecutors said." Child molesters aren't known to have very warm receptions when they end up behind bars, so I imagine this guy will be enjoying a taste of his own 'Sacrament' before too long.

8/03/2006 02:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

Anon: The Tesla thing...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2006/08/02/notes080206.DTL

8/03/2006 02:54:00 PM  
Anonymous simon said...

What is the overall effect of this pattern of dark scandal revelation followed by...nada?

... or laughter:

NAMBLA is a running joke on "The Daily Show" as their catch-all punchline when presenting acronyms ("... otherwise known as 'NAMBLA', hahaha..."). Apparently, for John and the writers there it's something they want to portray as humorous...

I personnaly don't see how you can joke about molesting children in any context.

Weird.

8/03/2006 03:13:00 PM  
Anonymous CIA Nancy boy said...

why can't everyone relax and just accept all this as the human capacity to love?

Because it is an abuse of power and nothing more.Since reading Rigint,this is the one topic that has driven me most to despair.Deviants will always find their dogma and this filth is endemic in our society and yet our society facilitates this pathology.

Children are by nature 'sexual' beings according to Freud and yet that does not mean that they are seeking sexual contact/relationships/experience.Rather they can experience pleasure pre puberty.

I am not propagating a childsex manifesto but I am interested in a society which commodifies human sexuality and now uses it to sell to children.

Baby hit me ,one more time....
Children assuming an adult/sexual identity in the marketplace.Have you looked in the window of Baby Gap recently?

The free love get your freak on of MTV?

The American use of the adjective 'cute' to denote everything from sexual attractiveness to,well 'cute'

In short this shit has to stop! at least this tumour with a spine is outright about his intentions unlike the corporate filth who market this pathology as irony.Look he/she is so 'cute'

I would like to propose the idea that we not only have paedophiles in our society but rather our society is paedophillic.

The medium is the message and believe me when I tell you that I am no 'reactionary' but an individual who is sick and tired of the lack of responsibility in our society.Stop selling to kids and consequently selling kids!

I will always remember Kurt Wagner a gay VJ on MTV reporting live from the gay Olympics and going awol when the NAMBLA contingent marched by.Are those tumours even allowed to legally exist?

Now I will alienate the Liberals and state that I do not like gays,Why should I?

I used to be Liberal until I lived in Key West for a decade and saw the decadence of the gay/fag/alternative lifestyle firsthand.

consenual sodomy is not a sound basis for a political manifesto and the media representation of gay is no representation of the reality believe me.

Where am I going with this? if you sell homosex then childsex will be/is next.A sliding scale I guess.

Proof? gut instinct and personal experience.I am not advocating the persecution of gays but why should I elevate them on spurious notions of identity politics?

8/03/2006 04:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, I can see how you got your sentiments regarding gays - even though such a blanket statement is OBVIOUSLY wrong.

Yes, the majority of gay men are oversexed wackjobs that felt the need to create a lifestyle to fit their decadent, deviant, and warped view of sexuality.

Note that I said the majority - there are men like me who DON'T want to have anything in common with those freaks, and instead look for a loving, healthy, monogamous, and by most standards, moral relationship with their partner (male or female - I hold them to the same standard). And these men are there, if you look beneath the surface of decadence and filth that the gay community perpetuates.

In other words, please don't make a blanket statement like that. There ARE exceptions to that rule.

8/03/2006 04:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff, you might want to delete some of the comments with mention of intentions to murder. This is the kind of thing that could be used as an excuse to shut down your blog, if not much worse. Agents provocateur or not, these people are trouble, period.

8/03/2006 04:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Anon 4:46:

Love your approach to free speech.

Censor censor censor.....

Although this phrase does make me curious:

"This is the kind of thing that could be used as an excuse to shut down your blog, if not much worse"

Now would the much worse involve revoking his library card too or would it be even more horrifying?

On second thought, I'll just retract my agreement with tetsuro.

I'm feeling in an appease the whiner mood, so there, consider it retracted.

In fact, instead of shooting the little child rapist, I say we give him a short stay in federal prison where he can run to solitary to avoid any con shivs in the belly. & then, after his rest stop on the tax payer's nickle, we can parole him into a job counselling your kids in that extra special way that he's developed over the years.

Of course, he might have a preference for toddlers that can neither fight back or finger his 'better dead & rotting' ass so you might have to pay really well & promise , on a stack of bibles, that you'd never ever ever do anything mean to him.

Then you can let the tutoring begin.

Your kids will thank you.

Trust me.

8/03/2006 05:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

Maybe I'm way off base here, but pretty much every objective study that's been done on the subject have found that homosexuals are no more likely to engage in pedophilia than heterosexuals.

And, yes, I've know quite a few gay men and women, and I've not noticed them to be any more decadent or oversexed (or conversely, repressed and prudish) than the strait men and women that I've known. Personally, I think it's virtually impossible to be raised in this culture of ours and not display at least one or two sexual nuerosis.

I suppose I should brace myself for the attacks now...

8/03/2006 05:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

It's also almost impossible to be raised in this culture and know how to spell correctly. Ack.

8/03/2006 06:03:00 PM  
Anonymous inscapist said...

gosh, another stream gone to seed because people can't talk about the commodification of sexuality and youth culture without finding some minority to blame it all upon. grow up, people. you sound like a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists.

anyway, apropos of "seeding political chaos," did anyone notice how this erupted as congress passed a deluded act to keep all "social networking software" (including amazon.com, blogger, yahoo groups, and flickr) off of computers in public libraries and schools -- all marketed as a measure supposed to save children from sexual predators online?

a) what a profoundly deluded misunderstanding of social networking technology

b) way to silence the emergence of youth political culture (i.e. the myspace upon which high school students organized the largest immigration marches of them all)

c) way to create a high-profile, high-emotional media hype-fest capable of draining all legitimate concern about pedophilia into a useless slough

8/03/2006 06:07:00 PM  
Blogger foist lastus said...

'Apparently, for John and the writers there it's something they want to portray as humorous...

I personnaly don't see how you can joke about molesting children in any context.'

Can you say subliminal mind control acceptence? Repeat it enough times and our pavlovian listeners will accept the pedi-trama as:
curious, okay, trendy,
now that's entertrainment!!
Don't forget its Bushco/Rothschilde multi-generational standard
operating procedure

8/03/2006 06:37:00 PM  
Blogger foist lastus said...

Anthony Burgess, who wrote a Clockwork Orange wrote a book called The Wanting Seed about an everyman(who was straight) in a homosexual society that promoted war as a population solution.

8/03/2006 06:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Juno Jones said...

He says that children can consent to sex...yet he and his followers are having sex with children whose problems preclude just about rational semblance of 'informed consent'. Even if brother pedophile makes it to the courts, the stupid dipshit has no leg to stand on. That there is abuse plain and simple...Is that a pic from his site, and are those POPPIES behind the monk?

8/03/2006 06:56:00 PM  
Anonymous junofeb said...

Ahhh, too much coffee this morning, great photoshop job, Jeff, you should moonlight for the tabloids...:)J

8/03/2006 07:00:00 PM  
Blogger Professor Pan said...

The dude tells his story (minus the pedophilia) here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arcadianfields/message/42

So I take my 7 years of college, my 5 years of teaching, blend it in a little bit with what I know about Jungian Shamanism and wrap it all up into
an ordination with the Universal Life Church. And just for Shits and Giggles, I took an ordination with the THC Ministry as well so I can take pot as my sacrament--it's legal for me to grow it and smoke it so long as I share it for free.


Uh, yeah... fire up the bong, pal!

8 pot smoking hand drummers that are pissed off enough to help me raise $300 so we can start raising another few thousand to rent a storefront somewhere in Cleveland and we can construct ourselves a Pot Smoking Drum Circle Monastery in the middle of America's Heartland.

Mmm hmmm. I see that worked out really well. And he forgot to add "pedophile" to the description.

8/04/2006 12:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Richard said...

I apologize upfront for the off-topic &, most likely ,pointless
nature of this ramble but here goes:

I got this e-mail today. Typical spam rubbish that I usually ignore. The sender was 'Mother of all weight loss programs,' & the subject was ' The Herb That Was Once Banned for Being TOO Effective Is Back!'

Now, first off, when I read this I didn't think of any "weight -loss" herb.
Secondly, it brings to mind all kinds of pictures of folks slowly shedding flesh until they're just skin drapped over bones.
On opening it, I got this:
* Motivate for Anything
* Slam Through Your Work Day
* Be the Life of the Party
* Be Awesome At The Gym
* Cure Your Hangover
* Lose Weight Quickly and Safely
* Excell In Everything You Do!
* No Shakiness
* No Stomachaches
* No Headaches
* No Come Down

Now, is this what the majority of folk spend their time worrying about, hoping for, & obsessing over?
Because if it is, I think that any coming apocalypse is not only deserved, it's probably necessary.

I only mention this because I saw an ad for another diet placebo on tv today. The product was called NV....get it?

Envy...ha...

...ha ha...

...ha

This one didn't just help you shed those unsightly pounds, it made your hair & skin silky smooth too.

Woo-woo!

I suppose that since the BBC has recently reported that not only are Americans growing too fat to fit in X-ray machines, but huge gobs of them are also growing too many fat layers for the x-rays to even penetrate properly, Americans need to do something quick.

But I can't help thinking that we've got waaaaaaaaaay more wrong with us, in so many ways & on so many levels, than some extra weight.

There is some deep fucking psychosis here.

Bush & co. are little more than the latest physical manifestation of our collective soul sick.

8/04/2006 12:23:00 AM  
Anonymous humblenotry said...

I realize that promiscuous sexual behavior is mainstream. This being the result of many contrived conclusions reached by sex experts especially the sex research of Alfred C. Kinsey.

excerpt from Catholic Standard & Times by Susan Brinkmann. August 14, 2005.

Kinsey taught that the goal of intercourse should be pleasure, not love, which paved the way for approving every conceivable form of noncommittal sexual activity. He also highly recommended sexuality activity between adults and children, including incest. All forms of sodomy are natural and healthy, he said and, with the use of erroneous numbers, tried to prove that homosexuality was more prevalent in our society than heterosexuality.

Even though all of these findings have been thoroughly disproved by credible research and human experience, the Kinsey Institute spawned all of the organizations that provide the nation's sex education curriculums.

This added knowledge is shared by Judith Reisman, Ph.D.

Hermann Muller and Alfred C. Kinsey were colleagues at Indiana University Zoology Department in 1945. Muller a Nobel Prize winner in 1946 may have tested German and Russian children for heredity-genetic purposes with orgasm data gathered as a satellite finding rather than as the exclusive reason for the study in the 1930's. Any data from Muller would have been fully available to Kinsey three years before Kinsey's "child orgasm" experiments. Muller the Nazi "scientist" who was "technically trained." Both men at least since the 1920's were involved with eugenics, birth control, reproduction/selective breeding, and sexuality studies. Muller was also suspected of being a member of Communist International while in Germany.

Kinsey was very close with the American Nazi Bund organizer, Sylvester Verick, a pornographer and close comrade of Alistair Crowley, to whose lair Kinsey went on a pilgrimage in Italy just before he died. Also the Rockefeller Foundation fully funded Kinsey's sex research.

After Kinsey's death, long-time Kinsey staff members Wardell Pomeroy, Clyde Martin, and Paul Gebhard remained at the Kinsey Institute and began to train others in Kinsey's "New Biology."

Pomeroy left the Institute in 1968 to become the director of the Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality (IASHS) in San Francisco, which offered the most extensive training available in the Kinsey model. Pomeroy, who was also a board member of Penthouse Forum, was joined in this venture by other major porn personalities such as Hustler magazine contributors, Ted McIlvenna and Erwin Haeberle. Other accredited sexology degrees in Kinsey's "New Biology" became available from the New York University Health Department's School of Education, under homosexual activist Deryck Calderwood.

The University of Pennsylvania Department of Health's School of Education also began offering similiar training and degrees, directed by homosexual advocate Kenneth George.

These three major academic centers began to train "sexologists" who would eventually design and implement the sex education curricula for all ages of American youth. They did this through the establishment of the Society for the Scientific Study of Sex (SSSS), which was a joint venture by Pomeroy and Gebhard, Calderwood of NYU and Vern Bullough, the editor of "Paidika: The Journal of Pedophilia." The SSSS established a Commission of Accreditation for the field which granted approval to no one except those who espoused the beliefs of Alfred Kinsey.

The Kinsey Institute launched its own organization, the Sex Information and Education Council of the U.S. (SIECUS) in 1964 for the proliferation of this "New Biology." It's early leader was Dr. Mary Calderone, the past medical director of Planned Parenthood. The Playboy Foundation made the initial grant to establish SIECUS.

SIECUS and all the sex education in American schoolrooms are based on Kinsey's sex research. This is one of the reasons why the Arcadian Monk has no fear admitting his sexual interest in young boys.

8/04/2006 12:48:00 AM  
Anonymous starroute said...

Richard -

Well, Americans are not only fat, they're also slobs. American clothing seems to be permanently stuck on loose and shapeless (jeans and t-shirts mostly, though there are other modalities). The typical American walk and posture, which used to be refreshingly casual in contrast with old-world stiffness and inhibition, have become shambling and slouchy.

Hell, when I was a kid, even the poor black cleaning ladies who came down from Harlem to vacuum out our apartment once a week had more self-respect (and dressed like it) than your average middle-class American these days.

Not that I'm advocating going back to the class and racial hierarchies of 50 years ago, but there was something to be said for people trying to imitate their superiors. These days, we all seem to be doing our best to imitate the inferiors that political correctness no longer allows us to admit we think we have.

We could do with a lot more in the way of real egalitarianism -- the kind that sees value in everyone and dismisses no one as unworthy -- and a lot less of the faux egalitarianism that forces us all to look and act like some invidiously chosen consensus version of the cultural lowest common denominator.

8/04/2006 01:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Generals gathered in their masses,
just like witches at black masses.
Evil minds that plot destruction,
sorcerers of death's construction.
In the fields the bodies burning,
as the war machine keeps turning.
Death and hatred to mankind,
poisoning their brainwashed minds.
Oh lord, yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away.
They only started the war.
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah.

Time will tell on their power minds,
making war just for fun.
Treating people just like pawns in chess,
wait till their judgement day comes, yeah.

Now in darkness world stops turning,
ashes where the bodies burning.
No more War Pigs have the power,
Hand of God has struck the hour.
Day of judgement, God is calling,
on their knees the war pigs crawling.
Begging mercies for their sins,
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings.
Oh lord, yeah!
--Black Sabbath, War Pigs

8/04/2006 02:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Bob said...

starroute said:

" -- and a lot less of the faux egalitarianism that forces us all to look and act like some invidiously chosen consensus version of the cultural lowest common denominator."

Oh, I believe that we have yet to see just how low that common demoninator is gonna go.

8/04/2006 04:03:00 AM  
Blogger harpakhruti said...

wrt. all the "homosex" bits in Key West, bollocks (no, I'm not British). The US is so screwed up about sex it's effectively in a perpetual state of reactionary right-wing moral panic even among the ranks of its so-called "left," most of which would register as far right wing in all the sane parts of the world anyway.

The issue lies in the perceived severity and moral repugnance of the issue. Is a rape truly so much more than a beating? Is it such when the beating causes disfigurement and the rape has no observable effects apart from evidentiary residue? Questioning along these lines quickly indicates widespread lunacy.

Rape is a true moral crime, malum in se vs. mere malum prohibitum, as is child abuse. Yet it must all be approached rationally in terms of actual harm, not with moral panic. Discussions on such terms are not now able to be held in the US.

And no, I don't support NAMBLA or anything of that sort. They should be decisively taken down just as an organization advocating beating random people in the street should. Their continued existence is probably as an FBI sting (i.e. entrapment) operation, which should be discontinued.

8/04/2006 04:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

But I can't help thinking that we've got waaaaaaaaaay more wrong with us, in so many ways & on so many levels, than some extra weight.

There is some deep fucking psychosis here.

Bush & co. are little more than the latest physical manifestation of our collective soul sick.



Well said, Richard. I couldn't agree with you more.

8/04/2006 09:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Unlike some of you, I didn't go to that website, nor will I. I won't allow shit like that on my hard-drive, unless the spooks sneak into my home and put it there.....which is entirely possible if they consider you a worthy enough target.

If you haven't gone to the website, I suggest you don't, and those who have, you best think twice about visiting such sites, even if it is motivated by mere benign curiosity.

8/04/2006 10:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Not that I'm advocating going back to the class and racial hierarchies of 50 years ago, but there was something to be said for people trying to imitate their superiors. These days, we all seem to be doing our best to imitate the inferiors that political correctness no longer allows us to admit we think we have.

Wow!!

I'm glad you articulated it like this, because a great deal of our cultural dilemna revolves around impressions and imitation, and the Scientific Marketers figured it out by 1900. They realized that we are easily impressioned and we have the propensity to imitate based off of those impressions.

True paradigmatic change, such as I have proferred, must account for this realization in very concrete terms. Either we eliminate these tendencies in ourselves, or we take the necessary steps to mitgate the potential destructive effects of these tendencies.

8/04/2006 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Subliminal Minister said...

Honestly -- I am not trying to offend anyone with this question. It is something I have been thinking pretty hard about over the last few days. I know a fair number of people who profess homosexuality, and of that number -- in every instance in my personal experience -- there has been some incidence of sexual abuse or trauma. Be it molestation by an authority figure or a rape or something else, there always seems to be a backstory of sexual victimization. Again, this covers fully 100% of the cases in my personal experience (though I don't go cruising to meet people or anything) I am curious as to whether there's been any research along these lines.

And if there is a correlation, what does it say about the source/cause of the current ubiquity of the "gay culture"? Can conclusions be drawn about the degree of sexual abuse taking place in the US during the early and mid 20th century?

Without stepping into the battlezone of whether homosexuality is a choice (I think it is, but make up your own mind), it is an interesting question whether a) a history of sexual abuse necessarily manifests in the sexual behavior of the victim; and b) self-identification as homosexual is any sort of reliable indicator of abuse or trauma in that individual's past.

Anyone have thoughts on that?

8/04/2006 10:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Dr. Theopolis said...

All the hate/fear about Gay sexual beings is abundant with social destructor mechanisms, as in religon and governmental regulations mandating the status of marriage.

But so is the social sexualization of children. What you will find in western culture is that sex abuse arrests are almost strictly delivered to some financially middle to poor class of person who is often a former victim of abuse. The same crimes commited by a politcally connected and/or wealthy person almost NEVER occurs. Why? Is it just because we can't catch them? Are they so crafty a child molester that law enforcement is stymied by the sheer cleverness of their secret crimes?

I think not. It is as it always is with the ruling class, another case of the rich Vs. the poor. I have known and worked with several gay men and women, and only encountered a handful of them to be really deviant, so, the hate/fear message is without merit. I can say that one of the people I knew was a WEALTHY child molester, who owns a string of sex shops and he uses the millions he makes to take little trips to far off lands that turn a blind eye to man/boy sex. He does this because he knows that if he got his freak on here in america, he might get caught, and it would cost him alot of his precious money to get off the charges.

I have entertained idle fantasy's of whacking this bloated pig over the head with a blunt object, but that is more emotion than conviction. I am not wealthy and I would not get the consideration in the court that this rich man would get.

It's really ok to be gay. The gay people that are not involved with mad behavior that I know are kind, considerate and very humane in their world view. Lets try to keep a check on the kind of thinking that will lead to the world of nazi camps for the different, but also, lets go after the real perps that are destroying lives and punish them equaly under our laws. Even if they are Wealthy Politically connected Pigs.

8/04/2006 11:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...and a lot less of the faux egalitarianism that forces us all to look and act like some invidiously chosen consensus version of the cultural lowest common denominator..."

nobody forces you to be a loser...dork

8/04/2006 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I had a dream last night. I was in Israel and there were Katusha Rockets exploding every several minutes. I was freaked out......for starters, because even though it was a dream, I had the attitude of "What The Hell Am I Doing HERE." Also, the Israeli's in this dream were conducting their daily business as though I wasn't there. I wonder if I was tranported (i.e. out of the body) to Israel? I'm serious......it really felt like that.

8/04/2006 11:48:00 AM  
Blogger foist lastus said...

"Anyone have thoughts on that?"...

In the House of the Strong Man Sodomy is the Key
http://www.whale.to/b/knox1.html

"Well, every darksider I ever met was either gay or lesbian, at the highest levels or in government. When you choose anti-life, everything becomes backward. A dookey-boy is a person who has sex with other men, for the sole purpose of destroying the inner spirit of the victim. A dooker, or dookey-boy. Most catholic preists are dookey-boys. CIA, is the creation center of these types"
http://www.whale.to/b/sodomy_q.html

8/04/2006 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

I know I run the risk of offering offense here on this topic, as I seem to have been doing a lot recently, but hopefully I can prevent that sorry state of unintended consequences by explaining myself a little more clearly at the onset. It strikes me as I read the comments today that we're veering into some territory with which I'm less than comfortable: a sort of echoing of some of the talking poinys of the Right. It's as if we bounce from a straighfoward discussion of perverts to a reactionary stance on the social and sexual mores of modern society. I'm sorry guys, but Hitler also railed against the "degeneracy of the asocial youth" in its dress, speech, musical taste, artistic expression, sexual mores, and yes, even its slouching posture. Then, as now, it's rebellion and despair, pure and simple.

In the Weimar era, German kids were disillusioned, without hope or ambition because of the severe economic depression and the futility of "applying oneself." There weren't any jobs, so why bother going to college? When the Nazis swept into power, many young people were initially caught up in the excitement of the new possilibilities opening up for them, but within a few years, all but the most die hard Nazis among them were even more disillusioned than they were before because they had been tricked, lied to, and swindled. Membership in the Hitlerjugend became mandatory, harsh, oppressive, and worst of all, boring.

One of my friends in Germany is a sort of "working class hippie" whose father was forced into the Hitler Youth at an early age. Nowodays, his dad is pretty "typically" postwar German: Social Democrat (but still somewhat conservative) politically, "cultural" liberal on most other fronts. I asked him once if it bothered him that his son was wearing funny clothes, playing in psychedelic bands and having some very interesting parties in his dad's house. He thought for a long time before answering, and when he finally did, he said:

You have to understand, for me this question of what the youth of today are up to is probably different from how it looks in America. I was forced to enter the Hitlerjugend when I was 10. Everyone thought it was exciting. Everyone thought it would fix the "moral decay" they saw around them. It didn't. It was harsh. It was cruel. There wasn't camaraderie; there was fear. Many in my generation are, I believe, deeply neurotic from their experiences from this time. When I see my son having his friends over, and I talk with them, I see that they're nice young people. They're funny, they care about things and about each other--what do I care if they smoke some hashish and wear these clothes and speak this kind of neu-Deutsch? They're happy and they're kind. We weren't. Is this also true in your country?

This conversation I had with my friend's dad in 1985, and it's true that since then the situation in the States has changed--roughly analogously to the Weimar years giving way to the harsh and evil season of the Nazis, in my opinion at least--but the hopelessness of young people is the same, only more so. The despair has deepened. If a young person can get into college, how is he going to pay for it? If he graduates, will he find a good job if his dad doesn't have a nice deep rolodex?

Many kids are giving up while they're still in high school. They think that the country is run by assholes who blow up buildings and get away with it. They see that the only way to go to college is to sell their souls to the Army. They just don't give a fuck, and no amount of morals imposed on them from above is going to have any effect whatsoever, other than to confirm in them the belief that the world is fucked up and now some asshole is trying to tell me how to dress, how to walk...Give them something to believe in, and maybe they'll carry themselves with respect for themselves and for the world.

I also remember the first time I was at a clothing optional beach, with a group of my German friends. I was, I'm certain, the only one among all those Euro-trash youths who felt the slightest bit of unease. It took a few hours to get over my social/sexual programming, but I'll never forget the feeling of confronting it. I think it much more likely that someone raised in America (with its simultaneous sexual repression and exploitation) will end up doing nasty things to an innocent person than a person raised in the Euro trash continuum. (Regardless of what Ann Coulter and the anti-sexual revolutionaries might say about it.) Are there statistical comparisons available between American and European rates of deviancy? (I believe the alcohol abuse among teenagers is still quite a bit less serious over there, due to it not being made into the big deal it is in zero-tolerance Amerika.) There must be some middle ground here, folks. We can't just leap from our disgust at child abusers to falling into the arms of the Coulterbitch--isn't it just possible that these revelations serve the purposes of the far right a little too conveniently?

Lastly, have any of you ever seen "Sex, Drugs and Democracy"? http://www.marijuananews.com/marijuananews/cowan/sexdrugsdemos.htm it's a very interesting film, aside from championing the noble weed, because it contrasts Dutch and American societies on many otherwise ignored levels. With sex, an age of consent was decided upon, without the weird local variations we have in the States, and beyond that, people were pretty much allowed to do what they wanted. Of course the Dutch didn't have any sodomy laws to begin with, but their country wasn't founded by Puritans either. Now I realize that quite vicious pedophile rings have been found in Holland, just like most parts of the world, but their society isn't fixated on these things, probably due to the level of openness and tolerance which seems so, well, foreign to us.

The fact is that their prisons are empty; ours are full of psychotic, ruined individuals who cannot be re-integrated into the general populace without serious consequences. They don't have a prison industry; ours is booming. The Army was recently given permission to expand its slave labor program, obtaining its "workforce" directly from the prisons, which are themselves increasingly adopting military language, discipline, even camoflage uniforms. Call me paranoid, but I see these "developments" as recognizable (if cleverly disguised) steps on the well-trod road to fascism. I can't shake the feeling that we're being manipulated here, like every other area of life in the Terrordome.

8/04/2006 12:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,check out wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com,later.

8/04/2006 12:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Rothbardian has it right. In order to bring about the true paradigmatic change of which I speak, the current establishment, both political, social and economic, must be abolished before proceeding. It will be painful, but I surmize much less painful than the outcome if we don 't.

I'm not purporting a perpetual system of chaos, but rather a temporary period of chaos as the inevitable result of such a radical paradigmatic shift.

We need to meet in Whistler to discuss this. Afterwards, on our way home, our respective flights will meet with misfortune, and our aspirations will go up in flames as so many have before us.

Good Day and Good Luck

8/04/2006 01:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Oh, and to you creepy spooks out there. If I catch you rummaging through my wife's panty drawer again, you're going to have hell to pay!!

Do you hear me??

8/04/2006 01:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

I'd have to echo Mr. Cuttlefish & his unease at the offramp turn into Coulterland that this has taken.

I do agree that there's an element of gay culture that embraces deviance, but I think y'all would have to admit that heterosexual culture isn't completely filled with sunshine, healthy thoughts & smiley faces.
I've come to the conclusion that some of the most outwardly hetero guys that I've known, the ones who always seem to have a new hottie on line, appear inwardly, to really really really hate women.

Of course, this isn't a rigorous study, just my own limited opinion.

I also have a problem with the whole 'being gay is a choice' line of thought.
When I hit puberty it was pretty much "ooooooo...breasts...look at that."
It wasn't 'Oh Suzanne's cute but Bob's a saucy little flirt too. Me oh my what do I do?'

By the same token, I've met gay folk who act exactly like it is a choice when they say things like, "Don't knock it till you try it."

I also dislike the 'in your face with our sexual hijinks' attitude that gay folks sometimes adopt to shock the straight folk. It's annoying.

But I feel the same way about hetero-sex. I really have no interest in what people do in their bedrooms. I also have no interest in telling you what I do in mine.

Y'know I do realize that sex is like breathing, everyone does it. But so is shitting & I have even less of a desire to look in your toilets every morning.

It just seems that modern society has become obsessed with this whole "Look at what a naughty little boy/girl I am." It's like huge chunks of people really ache to be soundly spanked & sent to bed without their supper.

It just seems silly.

On the other hand, gay folk, in all their missionary zeal to sell their lifestyle, seem to overlook one very large stumbling block. If everyone were to magically adopt a gay lifestyle tomorrow, it wouldn't take very long for the human species to become extinct.

I'm not even going to touch on whether I think that human species extinction is a good thing or a bad thing.

8/04/2006 01:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

So, Richard, does this mean I can't tell the story about me and the Topless Dancer?

8/04/2006 01:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

And......before I forget.

The word of the day is.......

BooBah

8/04/2006 01:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Well Shrub, only if you want to feel the ire of my Puritan brethren.

On second thought, I'll just avert my eyes & think pure thoughts.

8/04/2006 01:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I hope Silly Rabbit is Okay.....she hasn't posted in a while. She better not have gone back to reading Vogue, Dammit!!

8/04/2006 02:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

attacks on disabled children
http:www.disabilitynow.org.uk/news/news-july-2006-001.htm

8/04/2006 03:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Still valid needs to be sung...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-O8jp-o-N0&NR

8/04/2006 03:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

On the lighter side:

July 10:"It promises to be a long summer. We're almost at the mid-way point, but it feels like the days are just crawling by. It's a combination of the heat, the flies, the hours upon hours of no electricity and the corpses which keep appearing everywhere.

The day before yesterday was catastrophic. The day began with news of the killings in Jihad Quarter. According to people who live there, black-clad militiamen drove in mid-morning and opened fire on people in the streets and even in houses. They began pulling people off the street and checking their ID cards to see if they had Sunni names or Shia names and then the Sunnis were driven away and killed. Some were executed right there in the area. The media is playing it down and claiming 37 dead but the people in the area say the number is nearer 60.

The horrific thing about the killings is that the area had been cut off for nearly two weeks by Ministry of Interior security forces and Americans. Last week, a car bomb was set off in front of a 'Sunni' mosque people in the area visit. The night before the massacre, a car bomb exploded in front of a Shia husseiniya in the same area. The next day was full of screaming and shooting and death for the people in the area. No one is quite sure why the Americans and the Ministry of Interior didn't respond immediately. They just sat by, on the outskirts of the area, and let the massacre happen."

July 30: "Although the sun is blinding this time of year in our part of the world, the Middle East is seeing some of its darkest days…

I woke up this morning to scenes of carnage and destruction on the television and for the briefest of moments, I thought it was footage of Iraq. It took me a few seconds to realize it was actually Qana in Lebanon. The latest village to see Israeli air strikes. The images were beyond gruesome- body parts and corpses being hauled out from under tons of debris. Wailing relatives and friends, searching for loved ones… So far, according to humanitarian organizations, 34 were children. They killed them while they were sleeping inside their bomb shelters- much like the Amriya Shelter massacre in 1991.

We saw the corpses of the children on television, lifeless and twisted grotesquely, what remained of their faces frozen in expressions of pain and shock. I just sat there and cried in front of the television. I didn’t know I could still feel that sort of sorrow towards what has become a daily reality for Iraqis. It’s not Iraq but it might as well be: It’s civilians under lethal attack; it’s a country fighting occupation.

I’m so frustrated I can’t think straight. I’m full of rage against Israel, the US, Britain, Iran and most of Europe. The world is going to go to hell for standing by and allowing the massacre of innocents. For God’s sake, 34 children??? The UN is beyond useless. They’ve gone from a union of nations working for the good of the world (if they ever were even that), to a bunch of gravediggers. They’re only good for digging mangled bodies out of the ruins of buildings and helping to identify and put them into mass graves. They won’t stop a massacre- they won’t even speak out against it- they’ll just come by and help clean up the mess. Are the lives of Arabs worth so little? If this had happened in the US or UK or France or China, somebody would already have dropped a nuclear bomb… How is this happening?

Where is the Security Council??? Why haven’t they stopped Israel? Ehud Olmert recently told Condi that he needs 10 to 14 more days of bloodshed- and nothing is being done about it! Where are the useless Arab leaders? Can’t the pro-American, spineless emirs crawl out of their gold palaces long enough to condemn this taking of lives? Our presidents/leaders are only as influential as their oil barrels are deep.

And the world wonders how ‘terrorists’ are created! A 15-year-old Lebanese girl lost five of her siblings and her parents and home in the Qana bombing… Ehud Olmert might as well kill her now because if he thinks she’s going to grow up with anything but hate in her heart towards him and everything he represents, then he’s delusional.

Is this whole debacle the fine line between terrorism and protecting ones nation? If it’s a militia, insurgent or military resistance- then it’s terrorism (unless of course the militia, insurgent(s) and/or resistance are being funded exclusively by the CIA). If it’s the Israeli, American or British army, then it’s a pre-emptive strike, or a ‘war on terror’. No matter the loss of hundreds of innocent lives. No matter the children who died last night- they’re only Arabs, after all, right?

Right? "

Today: "Two dozen people died in a surge of violence in northern Iraq, including 10 at a soccer game hit by a suicide car bombing, police said Friday, while the country's spiraling sectarian and political bloodshed killed at least 17 others elsewhere. Two American soldiers were killed Friday in restive Anbar province west of the capital, the U.S. command said."

O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!

O beautiful for pilgrim feet
Whose stern impassioned stress
A thoroughfare of freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America! America!
God mend thine every flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law!

O beautiful for heroes proved
In liberating strife.
Who more than self their country loved
And mercy more than life!
America! America!
May God thy gold refine
Till all success be nobleness
And every gain divine!

O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!

8/04/2006 04:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

On an even lighter note, the Wit & Wisdom of Bill "Phone Phreak" O'Reilly:

" So anyway, these two girls come in from the suburbs and they get bombed, and their car is towed because they're moronic girls and, you know, they don't have a car. So they're standing there in the middle of the night with no car. And then they separate because they're drunk. They separate, which you never do. All right.

Now Moore, Jennifer Moore, 18, on her way to college. She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning. She's walking by herself on the West Side Highway, and she gets picked up by a thug. All right. Now she's out of her mind, drunk.

And the thug takes her over to New Jersey in the cab and kills her and rapes her and does all these terrible things to her. And the thug is so stupid, he uses her cell phone, and the cops trace it back to him and they -- and they arrest him and charge him with murder. He had a prostitute girlfriend with him, and she's charged as an accessory to murder. But Jennifer Moore is in the ground. She's dead."

8/04/2006 04:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

You know...

Ugh...

I think I'm too depressed to even make a comment at this point.

Have as good a weekend as you can everyone.

8/04/2006 05:58:00 PM  
Anonymous PazDispenser said...

Lots of irrigorous discussion here.

Perhaps the resident lesbian should weigh in for all you confused folk.

First off, I find it hard to fathom being part of the same species with paedophiles. It is interesting (in a most infuriuating way) how study after study showing straight MEN (and its always men, now isnt it?) as likely to be a paedophillic as gay men; and yet, the conversation always veers to the "illness" of gays.....

Subliminal Minister said...
"Honestly -- I am not trying to offend anyone with this question. It is something I have been thinking pretty hard about over the last few days. I know a fair number of people who profess homosexuality, and of that number -- in every instance in my personal experience -- there has been some incidence of sexual abuse or trauma. Be it molestation by an authority figure or a rape or something else, there always seems to be a backstory of sexual victimization. Again, this covers fully 100% of the cases in my personal experience (though I don't go cruising to meet people or anything) I am curious as to whether there's been any research along these lines."

Let me refute your "study". I, thankfully, was never the victim of sexual abuse. Lots and lots of shouting in my household, but pretty normal midAmerican life. I knew I "liked" girls from 7 on. Most (not all) of the lesbians in my circle also had bland abuse-free childhoods. I have as many abused straight friends as abused gay ones. I might add, I dont cruise for friends......

Richard said:
"When I hit puberty it was pretty much "ooooooo...breasts...look at that."
It wasn't 'Oh Suzanne's cute but Bob's a saucy little flirt too. Me oh my what do I do?' "

Richard is spot on. Subliminal,let me suggest the following thought experiment: Im assuming youre a straight male; can you even remotely conceive of CHOOSING to find men sexually attractive? I cant either.

But Richard, when you say,"On the other hand, gay folk, in all their missionary zeal to sell their lifestyle...", youre off the mark. The only folks I see with missionary zeal are the Christianists and/or homophobes. I just want to exist in a society that honors my personal intimate binding (with all the trappings)relationship with the person I chose. I would imagine that probably is your (and most folks') view on things. I just happen to feel attraction to someone of the same sex.

And BTW, Richard, I feel EXACTLY the same as you about others (gay or straight) flaunting their sexuality; the toilet metaphor is out there, but aptly put to describe my sentiment, too.

But Richard you really lose the rigor with, "On the other hand, gay folk, in all their missionary zeal to sell their lifestyle, seem to overlook one very large stumbling block. If everyone were to magically adopt a gay lifestyle tomorrow, it wouldn't take very long for the human species to become extinct."

You yourself in the same post point out how there isnt a possibility that you could be "turned gay", then yet, you lob this bomb at the end. I find that very disingenuous bordering on baiting.

But I think Cuttlefish has the right take here. The fascists want you to rail against the foreign as Cuttlefish said.

Bush&Co are happy to use the Christianists and FauxNews to send the message that "gays are part of the problem we need to correct".

It doesnt surprise me when the sheeple follow such tripe; it disappoints and scares me when the RigInt folk do.

8/04/2006 07:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

pazdispenser,

You're right I was being disingenuous. Amazingly,I also often find my own foot in my mouth. What can I tell you.
My experience with gay folk has been as varied as...gasp...my experience with straight folk.
I worked with a fellow who didn't take my wedding ring & professed heterosexuality as being remotely relevent to whether he should hit on me or not. He told me, "Don't knock it till you try it." It took him grabbing my ass for me to, shall we say, forcefully & physically drive home to him that I wasn't fucking interested.
On the other hand, I became friends with a gay gent who was friends with my wife. At the time, he was in a monogamous relationship with another guy for about ten years. He told me he hated bars & cruising primarily because he had a few bad experiences with one night stands who would take him to a hotel room & he would find two or three other fellows there looking to make him their gang fuck. He said the only thing that saved him was his size & his fighting ability.
So, in my clumsy sausage fingered way, I was just trying to encompass things that I've heard from the mouths of gay gents.
Believe me, I have absolutely no problem with honoring your choice. I think it's called freedom. I know it's becoming an endangered species, but it's something I believe in.
I had a buddy who came out to me when we were about 20. My reaction was pretty much, "Yeah, so?"
His family , or more precisely, his 2 older sisters & his mom, or, as I liked to refer to them, the 3 harpies from hell, weren't as understanding. They rode the boy for years. Hell, they even whispered to everyone in sight that I must be gay too, just because we were still friends. Their favorite torture was to use his long dead father, & the guy loved his dad, as nice little bamboo shards to jam under his fingernails. They'd tell him how ashamed dad would be if he were alive. How he was a disappointment & a stain on dad's memory.
So, after riding hard through the land of alcohol & heroin, he finally had enough, & he hung himself in a public park during an eclipse of the moon.
Essentially, what I'm trying to say, is that there is no way in fucking hell I would allow myself to be lumped into harpieland.
If it appears that way, you have my apologies.

8/04/2006 08:19:00 PM  
Blogger JBD said...

While we are disabusing each other about generalities, permit me to report that my mother found warmth and camaraderie in the hitleryouth, which she joined voluntarily though she was drafted into the Nazi army involuntarily (her Nuremberg papers say she was a follower and the propoganda didn't stick, judging by my part-japanese, part-jewish half-brother).

Point is, life before Hitler, for my mother and many of her friends, was intolerable, and remarable for its poverty. I saw the pictures from my mother's childhood: before hitler, she looked anemic pathetic and malnourished. After the hitleryouth, she was happy and healthy. Until the war, of course, and the aftermath, where rape was as common as food was scarce.

So, newsflash, it's DAMN DIFFICULT to make accurate generalities about any group of people: gay, nazi, or otherwise.

As a pot-smoking hand drummer, I can also report that serious drum circlers out there are seeking only to touch the face of god (insert your own metaphor here), not inappropriately touch the little ones.

8/04/2006 08:25:00 PM  
Blogger JBD said...

Sex with infants is a new trend among gays sez Gy Adams....

http://www.truthwinsout.org/news.html#news28

Truth Wins Out today called on Renew America’s Chairman Alan Keyes to dismiss Guy Adams, the group’s Deputy National Grassroots Director, after he made hateful and defamatory remarks against the gay and lesbian community on an Internet radio show. Adams’ comments linking homosexuality with infant pedophilia reached “a deplorable new low in gay bashing,” said TWO’s executive director Wayne Besen.

On August 2, Adams appeared on “The Right View,” an Internet radio show hosted by Neo-Puritan operative Stacy L. Harp. While discussing the recent Gay Games, a sporting event for the GLBT community that recently took place in Chicago, Adams made his outlandish comments:

"The newest thing in Chicago, it's becoming a trend, and you're gonna find this hard to believe… sex with infants,” Adams said, without offering evidence to back his preposterous and offensive claim. “It's not enough that they have… you know when you engage in perversion, and homosexuality is perversion, we don't hate the gays mind you, we don't hate them, we hate what they're doing… pretty soon that perversion is like addiction, it's not enough, so you need to graduate to something else. You need to move on. So now they're having sex with animals, a small group that's getting bigger, sex with infants, sex in the street in Chicago out in the open, it's just getting more and more perverted."

8/04/2006 08:34:00 PM  
Anonymous jules said...

Just like to mantion that I have not met any gay people into child abuse. In fact I have come across gay people who are consistantly against such behaviour. And are not shy about saying it.

The comments on the puritanical nature of US culture and sex are so spot on.

Its part of how the marketiung of sex is magnified. like a feedback loop.

Puritanical Culture

Sexual Revolution

Sexual Reaction.

Overlayed - a culture of "you haven't got this".

A promotion (on every level of the culture) that somehow sex on the telly (as the celebs do it) is "better" than what you do at home.

And a fundamental human (and non human) behaviour is completely warped. Then again I heard the other day that a Russian farmer had written to Putin asking for permission to marry his cow (cos all the women had left his village).

So I dunno if putting it all at America's plate is a fair deal.

Gay = symptom of sexual abuse.

Dunno about that one either. I am tending to Richards view of of "Hmmm Breasts". Thats what happened to me.

BTW Great to see you back Richard.

Is violence against child abusers justified.

Everyone says "no - violence is bad" and seeing the state of the world today I tend to agree.

And I know a guy who I suspect is into child porn. His daughters know too. People watch him. What do we do - shoot him. Cause his kids the pain that would cause them. To my knowledge he has never done anything abusive, and I am pretty sure that would come out. And I may well be wrong in my suspicians.

Then again if he was known for doing it continually and getting away with it. (Which the individual I am talking about isn't BTW) But IF he WAS. Wouldn't waiting till he offends again be exposing other kids to risk?

In which case shooting them is perhaps the lesser of two evils. Although you wear the karma for that evil not the abusive bastard you just shot...

That is a hard choice for me, cos no government should be able to bust people for crimes they MIGHT commit. So saying some people can be killed for crimes they MiGHT commit... I dunno.

Shrub Roth may be right about that, but since he said it... ;)

I hope this puter holds it together enough to post on the board. I had to steal life support equipment from a hospital to keep it going.

8/04/2006 08:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Richard,

Very well said. I share your sentiments, and my experineces are very similar to your's.

You're as genuine as the Retarded Citizens with whom you work......and I respect that.

Shrubageddon

8/04/2006 08:45:00 PM  
Anonymous jules said...

I am not a pot smoking circle drummer, but there are plenty of them around here, the only think wrong with them is on Thursday nights if the conditions are right and the sound drifts across from the other ridge.

But I am an unofficial member of the Church of the Holy Smoke, and have been a sort of "spiritual adviser" to some members. (rotflato)

And this guy Distasteful or whatever his name is doesn't belong in it.

Drummers may be irritating ;) but this is like that post lumping JFK and alien believers (Richard comes thru again I believe). Guilt by association or something.

8/04/2006 08:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Shrub Roth may be right about that, but since he said it... ;)

I don't agree with his whole thesis. I think Capitalism is a failure, and he is starting in now about Anarcho-Capitalism, which as the Professor and others have indicated, is just another prescription for Feudalism.

No, what I'm suggesting is far more radical than anything he's entertaining. Where we intersect is the fact that anarchy will be a necessary step to get to where I'm suggesting.

8/04/2006 08:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

But I am an unofficial member of the Church of the Holy Smoke, and have been a sort of "spiritual adviser" to some members. (rotflato)

Are you kidding me, Jules?

I never would have guessed.

8/04/2006 09:00:00 PM  
Anonymous humblenotry said...

I feel this is somewhat off topic. I apologize. I belong to a unique group of people in society. The Hard Rightist of Menph. not true haha No the deaf culture. I know hundreds of deaf people. But I am not deaf. If an adult would molest a deaf child in the deaf community the word would get out so fast the criminal would not find it easy to escape serious-minded questioning.

I believe that young kids who are not handicapped are more vulnerable to adult sexual molesters. This in perspective. Maybe it's because deaf kids are more isolated from society. They are not afraid to speak the truth about this kind of behavior if it has happened to them. Like they know it was not their fault. But kids who are not deaf may be overwhelmed by society and feel the need to fit in proper. When they get molested they are terrified of how they do not fit in like they did before the sexual abuse and hush it up. It's like they don't want to be different.

Somebody narced on the monk. How he got caught I don't know. He claims he was able to coerce these boys. One or more of them must have changed their mind. The boys? consent changed. The victims felt a stronger need to be socially responsible for themselves than the monk! We don't need to hear what he has to say about it. It's better for society as a whole to listen to the more respectable element in this case. The boys. Because I believe the boys really believe this is wrong.

I also would like to say that this case is very sad indeed. Most depressing news. The adult shrugs it off as minimal and the kids and family work out the traumatic.

8/04/2006 10:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Jules & Shrubsy, I do appreciate your good words but I've been sitting here for the last couple hours thinking about by buddy, something I haven't done in a while, & I'm about ready to join luposapien...

Ugh!

Man, I remember his viewing, where his sisters & his widdle mommy cried oceans of crocodile tears...

I made it through about 15 minutes.

It was the first time I hallucinated without chemical aids.

I watched the 3 harpies' faces bounce back & forth between the crying face & this distorted leering fisheye lens face like some demented ping-pong game.

Couldn't take it.

Bolted out the door, went straight to the nearest bar & sat there till closing staring into my beer.

That was the point when I think I realized reality wasn't what it appeared to be.

Jules, i do understand why you feel the whole vengeance thing would be a bad idea, but I have to tell you pard, i got 4 little kids, 3, 5 , 7, & 9, & if somebody like Padre Pedo did that to my kids....I got to tell you man, I'd have to kill the fucker.

Anything less & I'd never be able to sleep again.

Sorry.

I also know that my sleep would be coming in jail.

I don't care.

I also know that there are many other reasons why that would be a bad idea.

I couldn't envision one of them stopping me.

Sorry.

The pedophilia alone is bad enough, but picking on autistic kids, disabled kids.

there was an incident a few years back at a facility that does what I do but isn't affiliated.
This guy was essentially raping this handicapped retarded woman for years.

There were a few times when staff became suspicious...the shitbag would come out of her room red faced & sweaty...they'd turn it in but, essentially, the facility swept it under the rug.

Finally , a staff member walked in & caught him balls deep in this retarded women, & she, much to her credit, dialed 911 instead of relying on the institutions beauraucracy.

Years, my man.

Lying there while this pudgeball grunts over you.

Imagine it.

Some things are just beyond the pale.

8/04/2006 11:34:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

“So, newsflash, it's DAMN DIFFICULT to make accurate generalities about any group of people: gay, nazi, or otherwise.”

This is a quite valid point, JBD, with which I have to agree to the extent that it implicitly makes room for something which generalizations do not: the fact that individuation makes us islands unto ourselves, John Donne’s cosmic poetry notwithstanding. We are ultimately locked into our own universes by our perception and our inability to communicate directly with one another without recourse to some intermediary like language, or music or art. Ironically, it’s the terrible drive to connect with or belong to the greater whole of humanity which drives both artistic expression and hive-minded politics.

Some people view the related dynamic of the individual and the society as a struggle, or even a dichotomy of sorts, with one side representing good and the other evil. Adam Curtis uses this idea in his documentary The Power of Nightmares (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1037.htm) to tie the neocons to their symbiotic brothers, the shadowy terrorists they may well have created in their current quest for dominion through (the War On) Terror. For Agent Osama as well as for Leo Strauss, the primacy of the individual in Western culture is the root of all degenerate evil. One can guess Hitler’s position on this easily enough.

On the other hand, if we can’t make any generalizations, then talking about how life is in the US or how it was in Nazi Germany becomes impossible, as we’re reduced to comparing diaries and anecdotes. If we can’t really discuss these large, multi-threaded historical events and political constructs because to do so is to rely on generalizations, then what’s to say which is preferable?

Obviously, the only answer is to make it clear that we are dealing in abstraction and generalization in order to address such large entities. Your mother’s story does ring true, as it was fairly common for women to look back on their experiences in the girl’s wing of the Hitler Youth, the BDM or Bund Deutscher Mädel, as a meaningful, even “good” experience, partly because of the terrible poverty and instability of the Weimar years, but even more so because of the feeling you described of Zusammengehörigkeitsgefühl, which doesn’t translate well into English. It’s more than camaraderie, something like togetherness, or a sense of belonging together under a higher purpose. The 3 virtues of the BDM were discipline, obedience, and self-sacrifice. It’s the last one, this self-abnegation which gave meaning to their lives, as long as they believed in the purpose they served. (Which may not have been the case for your mother, but as a generalization does hold.)

One of the most famous stories of these girls was that of Melita Maschmann, whose book Taking Stock. My Journey within the Hitler Youth is still widely studied for many different reasons. There’s a very interesting discussion of the roles of women in fascism here: http://www.cf.ac.uk/euros/newreadings/volume6/saynerj.html. The subjects are the autobiographies of a Jewish girl, a resister, and the BDM girl, Melita Maschmann. Life for the boys in Hitler’s Germany was a very different thing, however, due to the different goals of the boys’ organization.

The relevance of all this to us—and I know some of you are wondering—is that we’re again faced with this supposed “choice” of continuing gaily down the road to Sodom and Gomorrah or banding together to fight the good fight against enemies real or imagined. This is tragic bullshit, in my obscure opinion. Why is it that we can only find the elusive Zusammengehörigkeitsgefühl in the struggle with some enemy? Wouldn’t it sell better (and feel better, not to mention being more productive) to band together in a cause that did the world some good? Like reforestation, like a modern Civilian Conservation Corps to rebuild our cities into energy-efficient and aesthetically-pleasing hobbit warrens, or building high-tech public transport lines ? Or is this too much like Creeping Socialism? Should we only be allowed to hate (insert group of choice) together? Build Autobahns together?

8/05/2006 12:22:00 AM  
Blogger JBD said...

Iridescent cuttlefish, I hear ya, brother.

And I understand that generalizations exist because they are so damn useful, but when they used use as a logical tool or to undergird someone's gut "deductive reasoning", I gotta point out that it's shaky ground.

Mind you, I am not necessarily placing you in that category...your contribution smacked loudly anecdotal. But the comments generally about gay people and pedophiles....

Speaking of which, I remember hearing a story about a guy who was having something - a leg?- amputated in order to enhance his sexual pleasure. Outrageous perversions come in all flavors. I'm guessing that someone who would remove a leg to feel more sexual pleasure probably wouldn't think twice about harming a youngin in search of that same sensation.

Then again, maybe it's that I can't wrap my mind around either, so I associate the two. Psychology is a complicated thing.

Thank you for the reference to Taking Stock. I have read a book entitled, Frauen (if I recall correctly) that interviewed all kinds of women in Germany at the time...nazis, the faithful, the doubters, the apostates, german women married to jewish men, jewish women, etc.

I like your idea of rallying around a good and noble cause, but there is something perceived as strong and empowering to rally around hate or anger. Anyone who has experienced grief or the grieving can tell you that sorrow feels passive but anger feels dynamic and powerful somehow. Or maybe the prospect is daunting because the good and noble will at some point collide with the unsavary and petty, which will buy the movement off, thwart the movement, or co-opt the movement.

In a capitalist society, what holds the power?

8/05/2006 01:57:00 AM  
Anonymous jules said...

Richard i hear you, I just wouldn't want to advocate murder online.

Also your kids will need you around them while they are growing up especially if they were abuse victims.

Being in jail won't necessarily help them. Then again if it stops it happening again ...

Its a fucked up world we live in...

One of the most disturbing tv shows I ever saw was a British one. I dunno how it started, but it was about this elderly couple whose only daughter was injured in a car accident. she was in a coma, but needed no life support. They looked after her at home. Some young guy was helping them, cos they were struggling with the effort.

He may have even caused the accident, I dunno about that tho I missed the start.

basically without him they couldn't have coped.

He was raping her. She was effectively braindead. But his continued abuse caused her to wake up screaming. her parents came running in as he bolted out the door with his pants around his ankles.

She collapsed into their arms and he ran down the road.

What was as disturbing as what he was doing was the implication it may have helped her.

That nurse that called 911 showed remarkable restraint. I probably would have beaten the guy to death first.

Believe me, I know what you are saying. I don't have kids tho, so its not quite that personal. pretty close tho.

8/05/2006 02:00:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

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8/05/2006 03:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

YOU ASKED!

"I like how they tied it in with JFK & space aliens, the all-purpose de-bunking tool used to expose crackpots everywhere."

Well, it all ties in because, at least for JFK, Bush Senior's CIA team was the one that organized the assassination of John F Kennedy. Bush networks killed Kennedy, and potentially it seems Bush Junior had a hand in killing off Bobby Kennedy because he "threatened" to run in the 2000 election against Bush--certainly assuring Bush's defeat well past the capacity of making Diebold lies believable.

This video link from here and commentary is a good introduction--as well as critique where this film FAILED TO GO FAR ENOUGH.

It's the same Bush-CIA-Brown & Root-Halliburton warmongering fools for 45 years! Surely you can see that after you watch this film and read this.

The Bush family has systemically been at the core of the destruction of the United States their entire lives. The Bushes are unpunished Nazi, eugenic, white racist internationalists and war profiteers and always have been and always will be. The Bush family war profitteered in WWI up through Gulf War I. (book: American Dynasty).

They believe in eugenics, these Nazi funding families like Prescott Bush. That's where all the Bush money came from. Google up "Nazi gold Prescott Bush". Since they are eugenic racists--Well, I suggest sterilze them all. Give them their own medicine. Good riddance to the Bush dynasty. Surprised they can still bear live children they look so inbred.

film link:

VIDEO: Bush Link to Kennedy Assassination Alex Jones 911 Conspiracy
1 hr 30 min 27 sec

Bush Senior kills JFK. Bush Junior kills JFK, Jr.; more

All in all--a through film of the evidence at hand: a small network of CIA assassins, all interlinked in Skull and Bones, created a criminal shadow government that became a major force in U.S. history. The people involved in the Kennedy assassination still run the United states in 2005. These groups took control of the Presidency in November 1963, keeping it ever since.

link for commentary and additions to the film here

direct video link here

8/05/2006 03:28:00 AM  
Anonymous posterchild said...

simon said...
What is the overall effect of this pattern of dark scandal revelation followed by...nada?

... or laughter:

NAMBLA is a running joke on "The Daily Show" as their catch-all punchline when presenting acronyms ("... otherwise known as 'NAMBLA', hahaha..."). Apparently, for John and the writers there it's something they want to portray as humorous...

I personnaly don't see how you can joke about molesting children in any context.

Have you ever heard of satire?

Mr Show w/ Bob and David used to make fun of NAMBLA back 10 yrs ago. I think you can only do so much in any capacity. The satirical way they portrayed this group, was in a way enlightening. You see the first few times I heard the acronym's meaning I thought it was a joke group they had invented to put an envelop pushing edge on homosexuality and the fact that even 10 yrs ago it was even more taboo than today. Then again it was originally aired on HBO, usually ahead of the curve as far as programming goes. Now they are in syndication and re aired on Comedy Central. I literally shit myself when I found out that it was a REAL stinking organization. Then I went back and watched all those skits again...even more hillarious, because in a sick way it is true. What is it they say...."If I don't laugh, I will cry"? Can't agree more at this point. Satire has become the Spoon full of Sugar for which, as Mrs Poppins prescribed, Americans can actually swallow the truth(lessness) that is force fed to us. Along with Jeff's post about the TV being the minds eye's pupil, one thing he forgot to mention is that Americans can/will/must develop the (for lack of better analogy) "V CHIP" filter, in their mind, to know what they are beholding is worth believing or not. We are not so
good at this now, however we are much better today than 5yrs ago, and 5 yrs from now hopefully we will be that much farther towards being able to seperate truth from "truthiness".

Now to the "resident lesbian":

Being a straight male I must defend myself and the majority of hetero males in this country.

You surmised that ALL paedophilia is committed unilaterally by hetero males. May I draw your attention to the rash of (female) teachers in the last few months arrested for molesting their students? Oh thats right cuz the MSM only portrays it as molestation when a man is involved. When it is a predatory female, it is coined seduction, or inappropriate relations. Black is black, and paedophiles are paedophiles.....man or woman.. So get off your burkenstock soap box and get real. Just because someone sends you an invite to a party you wouldnt like, doesnt mean you have to go, i.e. just b/c a few morons up here spout their puritanical views, doesnt mean you need to get your man-panties in a twist. We arent all kiddie-humpers and we arent all gay bashers either.

8/05/2006 05:27:00 PM  
Anonymous RollickHooper said...

This is what Rigorous Intuition does best--muddies the water until everyone logs off with their own opinions and prejudices intact, no closer than they were to consensus even on what the facts are.
I say "Rigorous Intuition" instead of "Jeff Wells" because it is primarily in the comments section that facts and fictions blur together--Jeff only provides the water and the dirt--

8/05/2006 11:29:00 PM  
Anonymous jules said...

syn diesel are you taking the piss with that link?

(The word verification is - its dotgov at the moment)

8/05/2006 11:32:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

RollickHooper said...This is what Rigorous Intuition does best--muddies the water until everyone logs off with their own opinions and prejudices intact, no closer than they were to consensus even on what the facts are.

I beg to differ, on numerous grounds. First off...well, what should be first? There are so many places to object...how about your "conclusion"? Why would we want to reach some monolithic thundering consensus on every bone that Jeff tosses us? So we can all inhabit the same reality tunnel, holding hands in the chill certainty of our fear and loathing?

An even stronger objection to your muddied water theory is the claim that we start with a nice clear bowl of wisdom and end up fighting over it as jealous dogs often do. Nonsense. While it is true that there are often differences of opinion here, and even the occasional acrimonious blog-spitting (I myself have the odd yapping bitchfest with one anonymous lurker whom I inadvertantly offended by laughing at the concrete certainty with which he regurgitates whatever he laps up at the Rense & Icke Show), this is not the usual outcome, anymore than the occasional "right on brother, gosh aren't we peeing together in our pod"?

In fact, just five minutes ago I read someone praising this blog for the exact opposite of your allegation:

cheeba said...
Its so weird to be distracted by comment blogs like the Guardian's "Comment is Free" and then return to RigInt. The contrast is astonishing. Does everyone realise how unusual it is to have a place to go where A) comments address the post in question, and not what the commenter would most like/hate to have been said, and B) where people actually READ each others' posts and add, comment and critique each other in a polite and constructive manner?


Cheeba's praise is the highest, and when things are really cooking with the finest gas, that is what happens here. I think most of us do make an attempt to consider other opinions from the POV of the utterer; I personally have assimilated quite of few stances on issues about which I had already formed some opinion. Cheeba is also correct about the decorum here: while obviously not fussy, formal or pedantic, we do nonetheless tend to refrain from telling one another to intercourse a penguin just because we disagree. All in all, it's a great little blog community here. Much of the credit for that goes to Jeff, of course, for setting the tone by his own well-quirked example, but it's an interesting group he's gathered about himself for sure. And, there's always a solution if we sicken you so with our pointless bickering--remember that penguin I mentioned earlier?

8/06/2006 12:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the final analysis, RI is nothing but a circle jerk.

And Iridescent Cuttlefish is its chief wanker.

Those who come here trying to make honest, incisive statements, or even simply ask important or relevant questions, are shut down by the blather of Shrubageddon, or the useless yammering of Jules and Jon, or the near psychotic semi-literate solipsistic ramblings of Sounder. Then Starroute will chime in with one of her Rodney King "can't we all get along?" attempts and closure and re-framing.

It's a classic disinformation bait and switch. Look the at the Jeff's posts from a year or two ago. They were longer and more "informative", and seemed to promise that there was actually a goal of uncovering some aspects of literal truth as to the "who did what to whom and why" underlying current and recent historical events.

But that was never the point. All disinformation begins with some form of truth telling or truth seeking. But then it deviates of course and off kilter.

Look now how RI and the discussions have all morphed into perenially tangential discussions about pie in the sky bullshit like "the eschaton or singularity of future free energy in 2012" or some other nonsensical bullshit, when relatively free energy exists in the here and now, and has done for decades, in the form of solar and wind for the home power generating set.

That is just one small example of the disconnect between the alleged promise of RI and the diversions that it continually delivers, and predictably so.

RI is a cock teasing whore who takes your time, if not your money (and which is more valuable?), then sends you off to a circle jerk in an echo chamber full of half wits.

But that's just my ho.

Ho.

8/06/2006 06:43:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

So what keeps bringing you back, Big Boy? "Just curious," or do you really want to join the circle but can't quite bring yourself to leave the antiseptic environment of your mind? Why do we bother you so much with our diversionary peace and love? More importantly, why don't you just go ahead and fulfill that promise that we've fumbled so badly? Or, did you with your canned statements from the Rense & Icke Show, and the problem was just that we were so unsuitably unimpressed? Go for it--enlighten us! Wait a minute, I feel a certain epiphany coming on...you're the one always calling everybody disinformationists, or neocon shills, or some such obvious nonsense, without offering anything but that mickey mouse crap you buy from Rense, etc...you'rethe obfuscationist, right? (I was always the last one to find Colonel Mustard...)

8/06/2006 11:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blah, blah, woof, woof.......

8/07/2006 10:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PAEDOPHILE PRIEST WAS GIVEN POST AT SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF

Campaigners demand inquiry into 'reign of sexual terror'

Antony Barnett and Ali Beach
Sunday August 6, 2006
The Observer

The Roman Catholic Church covered up the criminal past of a paedophile priest and gave him a job in a school for deaf children where he went on to sexually assault vulnerable young boys, an Observer investigation can reveal.
The church is now facing a massive compensation claim from the victims of the priest, Father Neil Gallanagh, who accuse the authorities of 'wilful neglect'. Child abuse campaigners are calling for a public inquiry into the case, which they claim led to a 'reign of sexual terror' for some boys at the school .

Last year Gallanagh, 75, pleaded guilty to indecently assaulting two pupils of St John's Roman Catholic School for the Deaf in Wetherby, West Yorkshire. The school was under the control of the diocese of Leeds, which employed Gallanagh. A further 11 charges against him of indecently assaulting five other boys aged under 16, including an 11-year-old, were left on file.

The attacks took place while Gallanagh was a resident chaplain at St John's during the Seventies. Many of the pupils at this residential school were deaf and dumb. The victims are mainly now in their forties and the assaults came to light only recently after one alleged victim spoke to his doctor and another attended a reunion party and spoke with other pupils.

The Observer has obtained evidence showing that Gallanagh was given the job by the Catholic church at St John's despite having been caught abusing children as a priest more than a decade earlier while working at Craigbane church in Derry, Northern Ireland. It has emerged that, while he was on a day-trip to the Isle of Man in June 1960, he sexually assaulted a nine-year-old boy. A report from the Isle of Man Daily Times on 27 June 1960 described how Gallanagh sat with 'bowed head clasped to his hands' in the dock at Douglas Court House after he was arrested.

'I realise it was a horrible thing to do,' Gallanagh said in a statement to police at the time. 'I have been worried with this sexual trouble for some time, and recently it has become an obsession with me.'

Gallanagh was not jailed but fined £30 after he promised to seek medical treatment. A short report of his arrest appeared in the Belfast Telegraph

It appears that rather than throw Gallanagh - who was related to the then Bishop of Derry, Neil Farren - out of the church, he was moved to Leeds and allowed to continue preaching. The then Bishop of Leeds, William Wheeler, made him resident chaplain at St John's School for the Deaf in 1974. Gallanagh's previous conviction was not made known to the court in the 2005 case and his victims at St John's were unaware of his history until The Observer uncovered the earlier press reports from newspaper archives.

One of his victims at St John's expressed his outrage at the latest disclosures. 'I am more than livid and feel totally let down by a so-called Christian organisation. How could the church have allowed this to happen? How could they have put a paedophile into a school for deaf children who were unable to speak out? This man ruined many people's lives, including mine. At the very least the church is guilty of wilful neglect; at the worst it is something unimaginable,' he said.

David Greenwood, a solicitor acting for eight of Gallanagh's victims, confirmed he is suing the diocese of Leeds. 'We were unaware of this previous conviction, and it will certainly add strength to our case,' he said.

Margaret Kennedy, chair of Minister and Clergy Sexual Abuse Survivors (MACSAS), said: 'We now call again for a public inquiry into the sexual abuse of deaf children in St John's School. The new evidence suggests a cover-up scandal of sexual abuse of disabled children.'

Last year The Observer revealed how dozens of young children at a deaf school in south-east England were subject to brutal sexual abuse by the headmistress's husband over three decades.

Kennedy, along with other abuse campaign groups such as Phoenix Survivors, claims that deaf victims of sexual abuse are not getting proper justice. Phoenix was outraged that, even after his latest crimes, Gallanagh received only a six-month suspended sentence and a £1,500 fine. Judge Norman Jones said that Gallanagh's age, recent poor health and good character for the last 30 years meant jail was inappropriate.

A spokesperson for Leeds diocese said: 'The two bishops and the vicar-general of that period died some considerable time ago and written records from the time are scant. The diocese of Leeds has developed good policies and practice in regard to all aspects of the protection of children and vulnerable adults and has co-operated fully when approached by statutory authorities in regard to historical cases.'

8/07/2006 11:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Big Girls Blouse said...

anon 6.43 I hear you and I agree.In the past individuals had informed opinions and exchanged thoughts .

Now we wallow in Garcia as Guru/Lennonista diatribes!

Troll this/Troll that

No one reading this is outside of history unless they're N.H.I

Everythings a conspiracy rather than a cock-up

All judgement is moral rather than pragmatic and continues in rabid anti american diatribes.

Granted events are SNAFU but I feel they would be a lot worse without Amerikkka.

In short most people here will be kicked into a ditch ,dead&dying on top of their children all the while lamenting how unfair it all is!

Lets all meet in Whistler and play Hacky sack.....bitches

8/07/2006 05:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BGB: Nice disinfo job, trashing a valid set of observations on the cast of characters on this site, and how they are used to set up a groupthink, by associating those observations with your neo-Nazi rant.

A technique straight outta 1984 or the V for Vendetta script. Effective for some less discerning readers.

Thanks, but no thanks. I don't want your faux agreement.

But you do have my permission to bitch slap the lot of them.

8/07/2006 06:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those who come here trying to make honest, incisive statements, or even simply ask important or relevant questions, are shut down by the blather of Shrubageddon, or the useless yammering of Jules and Jon, or the near psychotic semi-literate solipsistic ramblings of Sounder...

All disinformation begins with some form of truth telling or truth seeking. But then it deviates of course and off kilter.

RI is a cock teasing whore who takes your time, if not your money (and which is more valuable?), then sends you off to a circle jerk in an echo chamber full of half wits...



Most of the regulars here know that "shrubageddon", "luposapien", "Richard", "jules", and "streeb" are one entity. There are a few more new ones now as well- they come and go (one is just a few posts up- can you guess which?). It's all probably "thumperton", a extremely lonely kid with a lot of time on his hands that got kicked off the discussion board a while back for carrying on a charade.

-and then yes, there are a few others with their own special methods of obfuscation, leg-lifting, and "street-sign switching" ...

Evidently Jeff/Blogspot can't stop it and still allow open posting. Or maybe this site IS just a honey-pot. Given the volitility of the subject matter, you can never be sure, can you?

Hey- it's the "Same as it ever was"- the web has always had it's share of these fakers and trolls. S.O.P.- you got to wallow in some shit if you want to find that gold.


If you want it, here it is come and get it,
Mmmm, make your mind up fast
If you want it, anytime I can give it-
But you better hurry cause it may not last...

Did I hear you say that there must be a catch?
Will you walk away from a fool and his money...

Sonny, if you want it, here it is come and get it
But you better hurry cause it's going fast...

-Badfinger

8/08/2006 03:18:00 PM  
Anonymous dan said...

I cant beleive Nambla is actually an organisation, I thought it was something made up on Southpark.
I think its disgusting. hope these creeps get all the punishment they deserve

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