Wednesday, November 29, 2006

Back to the Wilderness



Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down
Ain't no goin' back - Bob Dylan


The latest on Michael Ruppert is that he's left Venezuela after four months which saw "sudden drops in blood pressure, blood sugar crashes, dizziness, weakness, paresthesis of lips and fingers, small kidney stones, heavy calcification of the urinary tract and prostate, cloudy urine and chronic fatigue." (Too much information? That's to forget the "seizure-like violent tremors.") He has relocated to the Toronto area, where he is "receiving medical care and rest thanks to dedicated Peak Oil activists," and declares he is "through forever with investigative journalism and public lecturing."

See, now I feel bad about that "too much information" quip. It was snarky, and I seek to be snarky only in a professional capacity, and Ruppert's made himself a too-easy target. But there's also real tragedy here, beyond the tragicomedy of his character flaws, because what he created, and what has collapsed about him, was a significant primer for deep politics at the turn of the century.

From the Wilderness was my first 9/11 looking glass. The writings of Ruppert and associates such as Peter Dale Scott and Daniel Hopsicker before they fell out (there seemed to be much falling out around Ruppert) helped contextualize the terror for me within the ongoing criminal enterprise of the National Security State, in which the Bush regime was not an aberration but its apotheosis.

But that was then. These days in the 9/11 Truth demimonde, early and clear-eyed researchers like Scott, Paul Thompson and Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed are rarely heard over the likes of Morgan Reynolds and the thermate/"mini-nukes" debate, and rather than contributions such as the discovery of 9/11's concurrent war games we have "scholars for 9/11 Truth" tearing one another new impact holes over speculation on space-based beam weaponry. If you think that indicates progress, and that we're closer to 9/11 justice than we were three years ago, I don't know what more to tell you.

So what happened to Ruppert and From the Wilderness, besides his own imperfect self? That Peak Oil idée fixe of his, for one. While I'm not of the It's all a Hoax! school, I do believe the issue is subject to grave manipulation, and may even have been solved, though not for us nor our children's benefit. There is also a peculiar fascist tug to some Peak Oilers propositions, which Ruppert either hasn't noticed or hasn't been overly concerned by.

Many have questioned Ruppert's motives, but I think that largely comes by providing a subscriber-based service. Investigative journalism, and keeping your client-base happy and thinking they're getting their money's worth, may not be concomitant after all. Such lines of inquiry are perhaps best pursued open source.

It was Ruppert's bizarre eulogy for Gary Webb, in which he patted his own back with Webb's dead hand by boasting "there would be no FTW with its 21,000 subscribers in 40 countries" without him, and said "God took the gun from my mouth and placed it to Gary’s head," that made me think this man was on the clock. Seeing a braggart and a bully brought low by his own demons is one thing, but seeing the ruin of an investigative community that broke stories which could have broken governments is something else.

118 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,Ruppert's illness makes me wonder if Hugo didn't have him over to taste some CIA BBQ while he was in town.Didn't Hugo invite the janitor from the world trade center sub basemant to Venezuela?I think they have a tape somewhere that shows this guy on stage with Hugo asking the world to reinvestigate the events of 9-11,I hope he didn't eat at the same Brunch as Ruppert.This almost sounds like the Joe Valis sickness,seems like all the old time crack pots are ending up in the same place.Michael may not have been right about everything,but being right about a few will get someones attention.Going out on a limb is always a tough call,Ruppert went out a few to many times,and got burned.Stay healthy and strong Jeff,later.

11/29/2006 06:38:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

A static world view such as is contained within the Peaker ideology, is bound to create dissonance between the sub-conscious (not static) and conscious (we will never get over our petroleum dependence and therefor many people must die) expressions of mind.


I am not surprised that Mr. Ruppert is having health problems, my surprise is that so much bad thinking does not produce more illness.

11/29/2006 07:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've always had my reservations about Mike Ruppert. Obviously his assertions about the CIA/drug trade are the most convincing and compelling, but I'm always leery of the ones who seem to insinuate themselves into every arena of investigation. I get the same vibe with him as I ultimately did with Ted Gunderson. A lot of drama and showmanship but little progress and eventually much more confusion.

--Anthony Bono

11/29/2006 08:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Mahdi Man said...

You are firing on all cylinders these days JW.Enviromental movements will always have a fascist overtone.First organisation to bottle and distribute mineral water? the waffen ss,blood and soil,Herrenvolk etc etc.

Tis true I tell you ,my tutor Michael Burleigh told me so.

Still trying to get my head around the 'on the clock' statement am I looking for a deeper meaning?

Judaeo Consumption is upon us.Dare I ask the faithful to put forward books,authors that have enlightened them recently.

Here's mine Occidentalism by Ian Buruma,Ghost Wars Steve Coll and anything by Tom Bower especially the Paperclip Project.

11/29/2006 09:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Mahdi Man:
I think 'on the clock' means he's a paid operative of the deep ones. A disinfo monkey. And I'm pretty sure Jeff is correct.

--Anthony Bono

11/29/2006 09:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Mike Ruppert said...

What of Peter Dale Scott, then? Is he also "on the clock?"

Afterall, he wrote one of the most memorable articles on the subject of Peak Oil, and I've yet to hear him renounce his findings.

11/29/2006 09:43:00 AM  
Blogger Qlipoth said...

There are an awful lot of anonymice here.

One anonymouse says:

"I think 'on the clock' means he's a paid operative of the deep ones."

I really hope that's not what Jeff meant, beacuse the rest of his post is a carefully measured and pretty fair assessment of what Ruppert and those other brave researchers really achieved in the first three years after 9/11 (and of how Ruppert too often sabotaged his own talents).

Anyway, I address this to the anonymouse who posted at 9:21 AM:

Your reference to "the deep ones" is presumably intended to induce shivers of Lovecraftian dread. But who do you mean, exactly? The Devil? The shub-niggurath? The Klingons?

You can hardly mean the CIA, whom Ruppert accused for 20 years of smuggling crack cocaine into US cities (for why would the CIA be interested in promoting such an idea?) You can hardly mean the aptly-titled Vice President, Dick Cheney, whom Ruppert accused of having masterminded the 9/11 attacks (for what possible interest could Cheney have had in spreading such a rumour?)

So exactly who *do* you mean? And exactly what justifies such a suspicion? And last not least: why would your "deep ones" have any interest whatsoever in employing a man who managed to alienate so many people - amongst the truly powerful rulers of the world, *and* amongst the spooky suspectres in the weird wide Web?

11/29/2006 09:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

can we have a link to peter dale scott's article on peak oil? thanks much.

11/29/2006 10:07:00 AM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Apologies for the vagueness of "on the clock." I merely meant that it was then he seemed to me on a timer to self destruct.

11/29/2006 10:08:00 AM  
Anonymous A. Magnus said...

Qlipoth,

The CIA has its owners, as does the rest of the ostensible government; the 'deep ones' are for all intents and purposes Wall Street. Google the Club of Rome and you will find they were the first big public promoters of 'Peak Oil.' This elitist cabal included robber baron interests such as the Fords, Rockefellers, Morgans et. al.

Mike Ruppert was played by the very interests he purportedly fought against, because he mastered the limited hangout; his whole work hung upon the idea that the Bush administration - nudged by Cheney's plumbers - conceived the 9/11 stand down in order to justify taking over middle east oil fields because 'Peak Oil Is Here.'

It's a backhanded way of validating the population reduction schemes of the Club of Rome principles by giving credibility to this theory as a rational (if diabolical) motive for the new wars in central Asia.

Ruppert studiously ignored blatant signals that the oil crunch is artificially contrived (see Shell's closure of its profitable Bakersfield CA refinery right before the Enron brown-outs). He also avoided the possibility that the point of the Iraq was was more a question of resource denial and blackmail to rising powers like China and India.

Plus taking Iraq's reserves off line thanks to the 'insurgency' keeps oil prices artificially elevated. But you'd never know if you read From The Wilderness.

11/29/2006 10:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Dale Allen Pfeiffer's Ma said...

Ruppert's lost his mind. It wasn't Peter Dale Scott who wrote one of the most memorable articles, it was Dale Allen Pfeiffer.

It's a great article if you haven't already read it.

Here's the link

11/29/2006 10:25:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Jeff's late clarification notwithstanding, and despite (or since) the seed of doubt has already taken root, I still don't how important it is to figure out who's clock Mr. Ruppert is punching, since the tangled webs tend to trap more than just the "players" (as is their intended purpose, to entrap the honest burghers through the sticky distractions of Shelob's lair). More to the point is examining the relationships between the alleged adversaries, as bizarre as a Cheney/Ruppert tryst might sound, on the surface, and, as always, who benefits and how.

Here's a few links that explore these odd incestualities. The first, from Brian O’Leary's probing essay (The Hidden New Energy Debate: Will We Want to Use It, Abuse It, Not Use it or Continue to Deny It?) gets at the effect of the Peaker crusade on the position of the oil barons:

...'solutions' such as sequestering carbon or injecting particles into the atmosphere to offset greenhouse warming are band-aids that can only lead to further instabilities in our already-overburdened environment. I for one do not want to terror-form the Earth.

So we will need to go outside the box for our solutions, free of vested interests.and geared towards creating a sustainable future. With every passing moment, this vision slips away from us as we jump off the cliff lemming-like and the privileged ones amass an ever-greater share of power. These “leaders” prey upon our ignorance, confusion and inaction. Divide and conquer.

Economic arguments such as Peak Oil, while supporting our overall need to become unaddicted to fossil fuels, also reward the oil giants as they reap ever-greater profits because of the perception, whether true or not, of increasing scarcity in the face of increasing demand. The Peak Oil issue seems to be a distraction, because macroeconomics itself is a contrived “science” that pales in importance compared to the environmental destruction itself
.

O' Leary's challenge is a cold slap in the face of the hot air showmen and therefore not to be ignored. For those who want to dig a little into the history of the fascist side of environmentalism, check out this appraisal of the true origin of the Wandervögel, those romantic germanic proto-hippies exercising their Wanderlüste over poor Heinrich Heine and mad Hölderlin's hill and dale.

The plot thickens, naturally, as we leave the 19th century, coming to a fully futuristic boil in Dr. Dave's Low Dishonest Decade, the 1930s, where the art of "opposites" entrancing us with their adversarial dances, while secretly petting their common Nazi fetishes, achieves its modern form for the first time. In many ways, we're still living in that decade. (Can't you picture Cheney wearing spats as he squawks in his Jon Stewart voice?)

It's not so much in watching the magician's hand that you catch the sleight of hand, as in finding out what he does with the money after the show...

11/29/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

"whose" clock, sorry!

11/29/2006 11:00:00 AM  
Anonymous xsicxbastardx said...

Jeff, I must say your last few posts have been just splendid. The board move must have done you wonders!
Can't wait to see what the Site moves brings...
I gotta agree with you, I stumbled upon a few good avenues from Ruppert also. I even went as far as reading his book which is exactly put me off of him.
I keep racking in my Brain Jeff....who was used to discredit who....Mike Ruppert to Mike Vreeland or Mike Vreeland to Mike Ruppert....

It's a murky world is it not....

Kudos Jeff, your really hitting on good stuff.

11/29/2006 12:42:00 PM  
Anonymous chris said...

Off Topic: on Litvinenko, Libertarian leverage, and "visible" politics.

sorry, more antiwar.com stuff. regardless of its motives, I do think that there is useful news to be found on this site. Here is an article by Justin Raimondo on some of the entities with whom Litvinenko may have met on the day he was poisoned. Some speculation, for sure, but just as valid as any of the other prevailing theories, i would say.

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10081

Also note that Raimondo used to write for Pat Buchanan, and antiwar.com basically puts forth a libertarian perspective, which brings up the "libertarian leverage" bit and Big Gav's statement about utilizing current libertarian disaffection.

Building consensus among disaffected lefties and disaffected libertarians within the context of the democratic party could be viable. Too many Democrat establishmentarians are still beholden to defense interests, and now many are turning a blind eye towards anti-gay marriage types, so there will remain disaffected a lot of people who call themselves Dems or voted for Dems

I know that corruption has been institutionalized in the 2-party system, but I'm not sure that dismantling the 2-party system from without is more realistic than building resistance from within

sorry to stray, but deep politics is too deep for me, i know too little (although, regarding Litvinenko, I would be interested to hear more about potential involvement of the two companies mentioned in the antiwar article, Titon and Erinys)

11/29/2006 02:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Dugoboy said...

yes very good stuff. i agree with what your saying jeff. i also agree with iridescent cuttlefish's comment as well.

i made a similar post either on the old board or an old comment about how the environmentalism movement has some very fascist undertones as a concept in the authoritarian monotonous sense.

take peak oil with its buying of the corporate studies suggesting oil is increasingly scarce (funny i thought scarcity was the basis of economics?), rising gas prices, SUV'S, limited manufacturing of oil refinaries with limited refined oil production, and Katrina's destruction of the oil industry in the gulf, wars in the mideast, and global warming, climbing greenhouse emissions...and the Nazi past of environmentalism..

you begin to notice how all the so-called elite have quite an invested interest into being environmentally friendly..like the kennedy's, prince charles of england, democrats and all of a sudden evengelical christians as well (though it is interesting the new evengelical president-elect was forced to resign over this very issue).

we have the think about the 'state of emergency' and what happens when the polar caps start to dramatically melt away as the temperature rises...what must be done? what extreme measures will be taken to maintain 'control' which is 'for our safety'?

i fully expect weather modification is being used to exacerbate global warming, to further the notion of this horrible oil-driven plant and economy needing to be corrected. i believe that when gas gets too expensive economies will crash. the change over to alternative fuels and entirely new vehicles will create a very real divide in society because you can't drive gas powered cars anymore.

but most importantly people would allow this to happen and in turn believe its happening for a reason because it will be considered the right, fashionable and correct thing to do...'I'm saving the planet!' they'll believe while the world economy crashes due to the volatile market forces thrashing about as entire countries must adapt or die.

this is my current theory, i could be wrong but i believe this is the path. there will be more 'natural disasters' and more people will believe in some silly notion that mother earth is 'angry with us', thus more willingly to accept strange pandemics that suddenly emerge.

but we can stop it and i know we will. more people will catch on and more people will become less fearful and they will stop it.

logic is subserviant to emotion only so long. as long as we choose to.

11/29/2006 02:28:00 PM  
Anonymous disinformation said...

If you want to understand peak oil, start with understanding that it is a geological issue, and not a tricky one.
Oil is finite, just like our planet. It takes a long time for oil to be created. So, eventually the easy stuff is gone and it gets harder and harder to produce what is left.

Simple. How people respond to it, and what myths they attach to this event, are another thing altogether.

11/29/2006 02:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Dugoboy said...

ohh hey.. thanks to gouda from the board:

Gaia scientist Lovelock predicts planetary wipeout

11/29/2006 02:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A good place to learn a few things about Ruppert’s Peak Oil bullshit would be Dave McGowan’s site, Centre for an Informed America.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/

11/29/2006 03:13:00 PM  
Blogger owlindaylight said...

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11/29/2006 03:43:00 PM  
Blogger monkeygrinder said...

oh crikey, I'm going to piss myself.

if peak oil is a government plot, why is a media meme being enplaced to "debunk" it? Why is exxon taking out full page ads against it?

http://peake.blogspot.com/2006/11/mission-accomplished-cera.html\

some of the thumbsuckers gadding about on this site are probably sucking on bone right now.

owlindaylight, thank you for pointing out the obvious.

I'd like Dave McGowan to explain to me why America has more oil and natural gas rigs operating now than ever before, and less oil and gas to show for it.

Some in the peak oil crowd has moved on from spinning horrific scenarios to actually trying to solve the problem for everyone...

http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/11/27/0432/3533#more

11/29/2006 04:03:00 PM  
Blogger owlindaylight said...

(edited because the original post was a tad reactionary)

Most of the people I see criticizing Ruppert are what I consider the second-tier theorists ... they get their info from other researchers, pick their favorites, and spend their online time onanistically savaging the others with ad hominem attacks.

Mike Ruppert has his flaws, no doubt about it. But let's remember what he did: He provided unimpeachable research from primary sources over a lengthy career, research that couldn't be found anywhere else, and gave us a map we're all using to some degree or another. Anybody notice how, right after Stan Goff and Ruppert's piece on Pat Tillman, for example, the shit hit the proverbial fan in the media about this story, when it had been quiet for years? Remember how Mike was telling us about the multiple simultaneous wargames on 9/11, years before NORAD came out and admitted it in that Vanity Fair piece? These kinds of stories couldn't be found anywhere but FTW. That was what I *happily* paid for.

Disagree with elements of his "map" all you want, criticize him rightly for his character flaws ... fine. But too much of the criticism I hear of him is so very petty, and doesn't address his body of work. A great deal of the anti-Ruppert commentary I've read in the RI comments section in the past, and some of it from this post, has come from armchair theorists who haven't done one iota of the WORK Mike Ruppert did.

How many people can claim to have gotten up in front of John Deutch and publicly proclaimed him to be a crack-smuggling liar? All those "Ruppert-is-a-disinfo-agent" smartasses who see a CIA operative behind every rock have never had to deal with real harassment of the kind Ruppert endured. It's sad, to see how the "deep politics" community bashes one of its own.

11/29/2006 04:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Irene's Fallopian Tube said...

Mike Ruppert's work, however, will stand for generations.

oh come now. this is a bit of an exaggeration, wouldn't you say?

i personally think ruppert has gone off his rocker. that seems to be the simplest and easiest explanation.

in regards to his treatment, perhaps if he shot himself in the head several times before dying, like Gary Webb he would have been heralded as a martyr rather than chastised as a disinfo agent.

that option's always open but his clock is ticking.

11/29/2006 04:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Thirtyseven said...

Perceptual Cybernetics. We can, ourselves, work towards clarity and truth, but can we present it to other people?

Not really, no. Any teacher can tell you that -- students learn when students are ready, and they are ready when they want to learn.

Ruppert was trying to prove ugly, hidden things -- and inevitably got caught up in disputes with stupid, shallow people.

History shows a pretty clear pattern of what happens to those who put the Big Picture together and try to show it to everyone else.

11/29/2006 04:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are only living on borrowed time...

11/29/2006 04:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Mahdi Man said...

A ll I know is that Goldman Sachs are putting all of their portfolio into renewables/R&D etc.Whilst the shining lights of the British intellectual establishment propagate Carbon Trading as a solution!

Bandaids for cancer bitches!

Lovelock has been bitchslapped by the NGO establishment Friends of the Earth,Greenpeace etc for advocating nuclear energy right here,right now!

Time is not an option and Nature is indifferent to our predicament.

Lovelock unlike others is not interested in makeing friends rather he seeks to elevate consciousness amongst those who can instigate change.He is so down he even admitted that Gaia was suggested by a friend, he had no idea about mythology.

I agree with JW the issue can be overstated and used to stifle debate and yet China consumes 80% of the worlds cement and would use 110% if it could.

I say when in doubt ask the boss.What does the Green Machine intend to do? if anybody uses carbon fuels it has got to be the US Military.Are they teaching archery at Quantico? if so we should be afraid,very afraid.....

London without electricity would be Mogadishu this is what Lovelock said on BBC Radio.Its not the collapse but rather the slow decline and the unrelenting pressures on the infrastructure/superstructure.

Population displacement,refugees,disease,civil unrest and my main concern food distribution,Famine in Europe don't be negative.

New Orleans will be a theme park ride no disrespect to the Glorious South but survivors in Bangladesh know their govt will do S.F.A.The only choppers they see have CNN logos.

11/29/2006 04:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thanks for the article link. pfeiffer has three names, just like peter dale scott. i had read pfeiffer's article already, but thanks again.

- - -

obviously the peak oil issue drives a lot of people to distraction.

jeff reminds us that maybe they've solved the problem, though their solution won't be for our benefit. maybe, but how likely is this? i think it's pretty unlikely. we should always pinch ourselves and do reality-checks, and in this case most of us presumably don't have direct access to the truth, so we have to do our best to judge the probabilities.

if u.s. elites have a major secret energy source, they are going to worry about the discovery being duplicated elsewhere, and we might expect to see the energy source used to help bring about a higher degree of global dominance than the u.s. currently enjoys.

the commenter who emphasized "resource denial" is closer to truth, i think, than those who believe that the u.s. invaded iraq in order to seize the oil and provide it to american consumers. i would make a distinction, however, and suggest that in addition to blocking russia and china in the persian gulf, the occupation of iraq might be a direct means of fuelling a large part of the u.s. war machine. who knows whether iraqi oil production is really as low as they say it is? a closer look at this theory would focus on the refining part of the fuel chain; i don't know the details myself. but i think the invasion of iraq more or less supports the idea that u.s. elites don't have a secret energy source.

the philosophical issues relating to peak oil are profound. they include our personal decisions as to what to do about it, ranging from pro-social activism to anti-social survivalism. it doesn't advance the discourse to tell others that they have a moral obligation to embrace activism and eschew survivalism. pro-social is pro-social, we all get that. but that might or might not be the philosophical horizon of the question.

peak oil cannot be a pure fraud. we live in a material world, and we have shaped our contemporary world, in however unplanned a way, largely on the basis of the energy density of crude oil and natural gas. those things are not figments of the imagination. there's only so much of each left, and naturally we used the more readily accessible portions of each first.

perhaps it is best to emphasize not peak oil but overshoot. if humanity is now very far into overshoot, this circumstance was not designed and implemented by the powers that be. so far as we can tell, they regard it as a problem, and they contemplate evil, self-serving solutions to it, as we are so often reminded by jeff and many commenters here.

i think one of the great propaganda defeats that "we" have suffered in the last 25 years or so is the suppression of overshoot-awareness during the eighties and nineties. i think ruppert is largely correct about the motives of the cheney cabal, and the members of that cabal, not richard heinberg, are the ones who most threaten the rest of us. if the cabal is now being replaced by a group led by bush senior, baker, and gates, with help from some congressional democrats, then perhaps we have a wee bit more time to get ourselves ready. the ecological trajectory is so bad that this little bit of extra time is much to be valued.

i'm going to try to make the most of it, and i'm going to try not to be too anti-social in the process.

-rp

11/29/2006 05:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Kris Millegan said...

Howdy,

I know Mike Ruppert and have worked and known him for many years. Here is my two cents.

From personal experience, I saw him stuff the CIA-Drug movement, stuff the 9-11 movement, then playing the Conspiracy Theory Shuffle led folks down the Peak Oil rabbit hole, thereby "discrediting" his material and besmirching activism into these subjects.

Personally, I put Mr. Ruppert with Daniel Sheehan and Ted Gunderson, folks that are "used and abused," to confuse.

By controlling the extremes one may subject the middle.

MHO,
Peace,
Om
Kris Millegan

11/29/2006 06:21:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

monkeygrinder,
What's with the either/or logic? Ruppert and the Peak Oil position have to be entirely correct, or totally corrupt? No other possibilities? No degrees, no shades, no nuance? And, even more odd, no commentary from anyone on the subject who hasn't worn the standard-issue khaki vest of the profi investigative journalist?

If that's the model, than no one other than whalers and blubber-biters are qualified to speak on the issue of whaling in the dying seas, right? I can see how this might cut down on useless internet chatter, but there's always another alternative for the annoyed reader:

scroll on by...

11/29/2006 06:21:00 PM  
Anonymous innocent bystander said...

Thanks for writing what you did Owlindaylight. I was going to write something similar but don't need to now. I have never understood the attitude of most of the people on this blog who don't seem to accept PO as anything other than some sort of scam. MR's epiphany was the linking of peak energies to military actions and from there he began to see the world clearly. This is what he worked on exhaustively after the drugs investigations. He is a trained detective with some academic pretensions. Many of his tutors seemed to think he was quite gifted.

I'll admit that Mike's ego often got in the way and this seemed to increase as FTW became a success. In the last two years I began to distance myself from some of what he was saying, or at least, the way he was saying it. All this notwithstanding, Mike was most definitely one of our own and an insightful and unique observer.

And Sounder's comment about bad thinking making you ill made me chuckle. I think it may be Sounder's fear reaction and denial making him feel this way. PO is a scary topic but we must act and think rationally about it.

11/29/2006 06:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Old Banned Floyd Smoots Said:

I don't believe in Peak Oil. The Earth produces rain (weather control notwithstanding). The Earth produces crops, but not totally without sweat from the producers. The Earth produces animal pelts & foods, etc., for those of us who have not "morally" eschewed them. Former Soviet Russian studies seem to support the view that the Earth actually produces crude oil deep in the mantle, in quantities almost unquantifiable. I tend to agree with that view personally and I believe that Peak Oil is nothing more than a scam by the PTB to cause artificial shortages of the most important things which a thriving world economy needs to survive and prosper. I am not a Globalist (government-wise) in any way. I merely believe that most, yes MOST shortages in the world today, i.e., food, water, fuel, housing, safety & security, money.............are ALL caused and controlled by the evil Satanic bastards who are only doing their thing for our "Own Good". As a nostalgic sigh, I still kind of wish that the motorcar industry had gone electric back in the good old days when Tesla showed that it could be done.

Jeff, you banned me the same day/night that you banned that troll, Thumperton. I have continued to read, appreciate, and occasionally weigh in here in the comments section. I must thank you, though, because of your banning me, I have spent my online time on many many more sites than just yours, and have been exposed to an even wider wierder world (www) than even I imagined existed. Keep on telling the truth as you see it, and we, the titanium-hatters (tinfoil just doesn't cut it anymore!) will keep on listening/reading, and trying to do our best to keep our heads down and our powder dry. Maranatha.

11/29/2006 06:55:00 PM  
Blogger monkeygrinder said...

id, great job writing about something which fires your imagination, rather than actually responding to anything I wrote. (Maybe you were responding to owl..?)

Next time you read something I write, I encourage you to scroll on by as well.

11/29/2006 06:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The comment Ruppert made about never speaking out again is very interesting.
It is as if he thinks he was poisoned, and is proclaiming that he has given up on his life's work, in the hope that he will not be killed/messed with anymore.
Kind of sad when the good guys "lose".
I do think the Oil Companies are in collusion to keep the gas prices higher than they should be. That is the conspiracy, NOT Peak Oil. The Oil companies do all they can to discredit the idea of peak oil: if people accepted the fact that oil will (soon) be gone, they might force the goverment to come up with alternate energy sources, which would kill the Oil Company's Cash Cow. We all know that oil is produced by the earth, the question is how long it takes.

11/29/2006 08:03:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

monkeygrinder,
Right you are--it was owlindaylight's comment to which I was reacting (sorry), although you also don't seem to understand how both seemingly contradictory positions could be true--that Ruppert's Peakerism is a sort of psy-ops foil for the oil barons' manipulation of scarcity.

The fact of the matter is that even using conventional technologies we could increase fuel efficiency and reduce CO2 emissions by 50% overnight. When you begin to address the suppression of new technologies and the well-known history of cartel scarcity economics, the possibility of a scam going down goes way up. My first disaffection with P.O. was when they were so adamant that there was nothing to be done, that no measures could be taken, no research undertaken to address the crisis. In every one of their spiels I found the phrase "there's no silver bullet" repeated over and over again--it reminded me just a little too much of Cheney's friends maintaining that there were no alternatives to the 13 mpg auto lifestyle.

My wider point was that adversaries do often prop each other up--where would the Cold War have been without the famous mutual animosity (and faked threat assessments)?

11/29/2006 11:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Raz Amatazz said...

Well said, Owlindaylight. For a blog that explores the limits of credulity what a small minded community we find here. Ruppert had more balls than all of his timid detractors combined, and his level of investigation has not been duplicated by anyone who lived. What a suprise- he has personality flaws, I guess this makes him a CIA agent.Yeah sure Peak Oil is an Elite plot, so are solar eclipses and gravity. For all you cornucopians that think crude is continuously being created by bacteria..... put down the crack pipe and step away from the computer.

11/30/2006 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous humblenotry said...

I was reading his publication From The Wilderness in 1999. Before most people heard of him. In his October 24, 2000 issue he explained that he planned to marry Nordica Theodora D'Orsay, a CIA contract agent. In the late spring of 1976 she wanted Ruppert to join her operations from within the ranks of the LAPD. He refused and actually found out about her drug/weapons running operation that involved the Navy, Air Force, Mafia, New Orleans Police, CIA, and Brown and Root. Heroin and weapons that involved the Royal Family of Iran as well. The heroin was being picked up from oil rigs built and serviced by Brown and Root in the Gulf of Mexico. Large shipments of weapons to be shipped to Iran. Louisiana's organized crime operations.

Ruppert reported all this to LAPD intelligence officers. They told him he was crazy. He was forced out of LAPD under threat of death. He filed complaints to the FBI in Los Angeles, to politicians, the Dept. of Justice, and the CIA. The FBI also called him crazy.

On October 26, 1981, in the basement of the West Wing of the White House, he reported on what he had seen in New Orleans to his friend and UCLA classmate Craig Fuller. Craig Fuller went on to become Chief of Staff to Vice President Bush from 1981 to 1985. Bush was the CIA Director in 1976 when this operation was discovered by Ruppert. This operation had to do with trafficking weapons to the Middle East.

He was considered crazy by a lot of people then. He is considered by a lot of people today as being that. We have to admit that he is a very well connected journalist. He admittedly knows a lot of influential people that are on the dark side of the Force. (Star Wars movie) His entire family was intelligence agents for Pete's sake.

He beautifully fits the role of a man that is crying from the wilderness. Alone crying out separate from all the others. That's Mike Ruppert.

I was reading his stuff back then because a friend of mine had a friend who was directly involved with the attempted prosecution of politicians in Michigan over child sex prostitution. She had subscribed to Ruppert's publication. Republicans and others in Michigan tried to get Guy Vander Jagt a representative and others prosecuted. They had a lot of evidence but it was dropped. This ties to the Freemason Lodges in Michigan, Washington D.C., the CFR, this is an international ring from Michigan. By the way John Bennett Ramsey tried to run for Mayor in Charlevoix ,Michigan in 2004. He was born in Okemos, Michigan which is in the Capitol City of Michigan, Lansing. What can I say? This stuff is true. Ex president Gerald Ford was a Freemason from Michigan too.

11/30/2006 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous anonymous hermit-like pessimist said...

Nothing here but artificially created shortages of disinformation to scroll by on your way to greener pastures.

John Ashcroft covering Lady Justice's unmentionables with some cut & pasties.

But first, I digress...

Since it appears that we are the disease,

is it possible for a disease to create its own cure?

Ruppert was a flawed human being, eh?

How odd. I've never met one of those before.
(nudge nudge...wink wink).

The Devil is in the details & the road to hell is paved with good intentions & Dr. Jekyll is once again castigating the brutish Mr. Hyde without once noticing that he's looking in the mirror.

Now to the main attraction....

Peak Oil is dead. Long live Peak Water.

" Deep below the surface, the aquifers are drying up, as well. They aren't critical yet, thanks to a very wet 2005, but the Floridan aquifer, from which Punta Gorda, Englewood and Arcadia -- plus many owners of wells -- draw drinking water, has dropped from a surplus of water earlier this year to a below-normal level as April ends.

Last year this time, the aquifer water level was 8.47 feet above what we should expect. This year, it is 1.29 feet below where it should be. It dropped almost two feet in April, according to Swiftmud.

Statewide, 10 million Floridians depend on groundwater for drinking water. Half of those Floridians drink water that comes from the Floridan aquifer. In all, we use 7.5 billion gallons a day now, double that of 1960."

" The state is losing large areas of wetlands due to growth and development each year. Additionally, Central Florida has lost over 150,000 acres of wetlands in recent years; lakes throughout the north and central Florida area are drying up; and we are seeing widespread saltwater intrusion in coastal aquifers from water use and pumping beyond the area’s carrying capacity. This is leading to water wars between coastal and inland counties.

Drainage of wetland areas for urban and agricultural use, and diversion of water from the Everglades and Florida Bay, have lead to catastrophic collapses of plant, bird, and wildlife ecosystems in huge areas. There has been a 90% decline in wading birds in the Everglades, and sea grass, coral reefs, and saltwater fisheries are rapidly declining or collapsing in areas like Florida Bay and the Florida Keys. Sea grass and fisheries are also declining in most other areas of Florida."

"Around the world, groundwater from deep wells is the main source of drinking water [for over three billion people. In addition, a large proportion of the food supply in many poor countries is based on irrigation from wells. However, almost all of the world's wells have falling water levels, and declining yield, and already, many have run dry."

China- The northern agricultural areas of China are virtually drying out: The major rivers have ceased to flow in the dry season. The water table under the North China Plain, which produces half of China's wheat, and a third of the corn, is falling at an alarming rate. Under Hebei Province, in the heart of the North China Plain, the water level in the deep aquifer is falling at a rate of 3 meters each year.

India-In India, there has been an enormous increase in irrigation from deep groundwater over the past 50 years. India is mining aquifer waters in virtually all states, and water tables are steadily falling, in some cases by 1 meter each year.

Bangladesh-Until the 1970s, the people in the countryside were largely dependent for their water supply on surface water ponds and rivers. With increasing population, the surface ponds became highly polluted. Sewage bacteria unleashed water-borne diseases, which killed a quarter of a million children each year. The United Nations became concerned about this dreadful calamity, and the Children's Emergency Fund (UNICEF) sought to solve the problem by installing a great number of water wells in order to replace dangerous surface waters with clean groundwater.

The economic impact of the mass introduction of groundwater wells was quite dramatic. The contribution of groundwater to the total irrigated area increased from 4% in 1971 to 70% in 1999. Some 12 million wells were installed. Employment and output in agriculture increased, and poverty was reduced. The United Nations had saved the children.

The health problem seemed to be solved, but by 1985 the people were beginning to be diagnosed with arsenic poisoning. Arsenic is a slow killer, and the signs of poisoning are blisters on the palms of the hands and soles of the feet, which eventually become gangrenous and cancerous. Almost all the wells had traces of arsenic.... This means that virtually the entire population is now exposed to some degree to arsenic poisoning; almost every one of the 68,000 villages in Bangladesh is at risk.

US of A-Even with the conservancy boards, the consequence has been a disastrous emptying of the nation's groundwater basins. In cases of dispute, the right of unlimited private use of groundwater is defended by the law!

Groundwater is the source of drinking water for about one-half of the U.S. population, including nearly all of the rural population. The pumps deliver in total about 50 billion U.S. gallons per day, or about 70 cubic kilometers per year. The problem is made worse by a continued quaint view in the groundwater profession that the aquifers are being recharged from surface rainfall. They use dubious mathematical models of groundwater flow to show farmers and cities where to drill more and deeper wells, but inevitably the new wells cause the water table to drop, while the wells decline in flow.

The reality is that the United States is coming to the end of the cowboy era of groundwater exploitation, and it is to be expected that the flow in all basins will gradually decline towards extinction. The evidence is clear.

Yemen- A rocky barren country, with very little arable land, and a population of 20 million people. Groundwater was developed in the last few decades to provide water for urban areas, and for limited agriculture. The water table is now falling at 2 meters each year in the agricultural areas. The capital is Sanaa, and its groundwater level has been falling at 6 meters each year. This presents a very serious problem as there are no other supplies of groundwater, and virtually no supplies of fresh surface water.

Iran - A rocky country with limited areas of soils suitable for agriculture, and a population of 69 million. Iran is facing an acute shortage of water. In eastern Iran, villagers are leaving the region as wells run dry. It has been reported that in the fertile plain in the northeast, the water table has been falling by 2 to 3 meters a year.

Mexico. There are serious problems of water supply in some states and several cities, as aquifers are pumped dry. Mexico has a population of 105 million people, growing by about 2 million each year. The agricultural lands are deteriorating, and there is a drift of people to the cities, but the cities also have serious water and pollution problems. The government considers that lack of clean water is a national security issue. There have been serious problems of land subsidence in Mexico City for a long time, simply due to the weight of monumental buildings on the underlying clays. The subsidence is aggravated by groundwater extraction.


Turn out the lights motherfucker, the party's over.

11/30/2006 12:42:00 AM  
Anonymous ewastud said...

I interpret the term "Peak Oil" unconventionally. I think we may indeed be in a period of "Peak Oil" in the sense that this is the height of Big Oil companies' political and economic power. It is all downhill from this point onward for Big Oil.

If we deal with the impending threat of global climate change seriously (and I think increasingly we will be compelled to whether we like it or not), we will need to very soon look for alternatives to carbon-based fuels as an energy source. Perhaps oil and natural gas can continue to be useful as chemical feedstock material and building blocks for producing synthetic materials, but to combust and put carbon molecules into the atmosphere, I think the days of profligate consumption of such resources are numbered, and with it the power of those who control those resources. We may be witnessing the death throes of the power elite who have thrived on control of oil and gas resources, and they are not one bit happy about it.

11/30/2006 12:49:00 AM  
Blogger owlindaylight said...

Iridescent cuttlefish -- I wasn't denying anyone their right to disbelieve in Peak Oil, nor was I saying one has to be an investigative journalist to have an opinion. What I object to is the petty ad hominem attacks, especially the ones that dismiss ALL of Ruppert's work due to perceived character defects, or perceived defects in his worldview. That's the same kind of absolutist either / or stance you suggest I'm holding. I bring up his years of hard work as a journalist to make the point that we at least owe him some modicum of respect ... because, for example, he and Goff were right about Pat Tillman, and they were right about most of their analysis of 9/11, whether you believe in Peak Oil or not. And no, the entirety of that analysis does not depend on the reality of Peak Oil.

And I think the "disinfo agent" thesis is facile, meritless, and ludicrous for that matter. Yes, there has been a lot of 9/11 disinfo out there, disseminated by black ops agents with the usual M.O. Notice how the media latches on to these theories, such as the missiles-instead-of-planes B.S., to discredit the movement and without exception, excludes any mention of Ruppert's work ... because they know they can't touch it. Not exactly effective disinfo, is it? I respect anyone who says he's misinformed, but you've got to do a lot more to convince me he's doing it deliberately.

It's all too easy in the deep politics field to adopt a worldview that says, "Whoever proposes a theory contrary to my pet theory must surely be a disinfo agent." Enough people make the charge enough times and the rumor catches fire, then the paranoiacs this field is rife with take it as gospel. Hell, we don't even need a Cointelpro smear job in this movement -- we're only too happy to do it to ourselves.

Someone please, I'm all ears -- provide me with something approaching proof that Ruppert is a government shill. And don't say it's his intelligence connections ... that doesn't cut it. Stan Goff is a former Delta Force operative turned socialist and radical feminist ... does that mean he's a black ops agent who's out to discredit socialism and feminism?

11/30/2006 01:50:00 AM  
Blogger monkeygrinder said...

id - thanks for the clarification. I would point out that you are writing in a way to resonate with this blog, you are attaching a story to what I (and owl) am saying that has little to do with what we are about.

I am more interested in measurables when analyzing something like peak oil. I don't have much to say about Ruppert or para-historical alternative fuels,

,it isn't that I am uninterested in these topics, but such interest would be orthogonal to workaday discussions I might post on my blog .

It is important to work closer to the surface, before ever diving into the deeps. If one doesn't understand the seen, it would be laughable for them to imagine they may unweave the unseen.

Anyway, my handler is calling so I've got to take off and do the alphabet. Peace, and curse you Big Gav for linking here.

11/30/2006 02:13:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

PO is not a scary topic. It may or may not be true; either way PO is not the issue. Our collective lack of imagination is the issue.

I supported Mike Ruppert early on and support any truth seekers, despite shortcomings within their mentality.

owlindaylight, you are right, the dis-information slam for people that think different than you is shallow at best.

11/30/2006 06:13:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Personally, I try to ‘mine’ for information anywhere I am at that time. Because most people operate under different assumptions than the ones I carry, the presentation must be picked through to separate the material that depends on the presenters assumptions from material that stands independent from said assumptions. Arguments require good information if they are to have convincing power. I can get information then without necessarily accepting the argument. To deal with the fact that my own assumptions may be wrong I will attach ‘possibility factors’ to all attempts to order information. Its a sloppy and long process, but it sure beats the either/or attitude.

11/30/2006 07:01:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

I don't see a problem either way. From what I can see, the U.S. is moving to bio-fuels for self sufficiency which means corn which means feed cars not people. Good luck with that.

11/30/2006 09:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PEAK OIL is an expression that covers a whole host of facts, theories and opinions, so it is hard to understand what is meant when there is little context.

Nevertheless, the issue is first and foremost empirical and practical - geological and technological. A subsequent layer is economical and political, and lastly, wild theories can be slathered in.

Americans blaming oil companies is as old as the hills - it conveniently skips the empirical to refer to motive, skewed economics - price gouging and so on.

If oil companies have had, in recent years, difficulties, evident in encrusted pipes, spills, closure of fields, abandoned projects, and so on, it is because:

a) oil majors (who, btw, have become fewer!) only control about 10% of the world’s fossil fuel reserves. The rest is nationalised, and locked up in bilateral contracts. (e.g. Putin’s Gazprom.)

b) it is in some ways a ‘dying’ industry. Investments are not good, uncertainty (geo-politics) is not manageable because of the long term planning that is needed, returns are iffy, senior staff (competent) has not been replaced: who has a young friend of nephew who plans to be a petroleum geologist or a rig manager? Hm? Petrol trader - ah that is different!

c) Peak oil is a ‘reality’ (empirical), the ‘industry’ cannot grow.

Ruppert was absolutely right to concentrate on this issue, whatever else one wants to say about him. Bashing him is easy but dull, on the PO point it only serves to highlight submissiveness and ignorance (we are victims of big biz, sob sob), technotopia (solutions exist - they do but are not good enough), and a cornucopist, that is, flat-earth (all will continue as usual) mentality.

Sheila

11/30/2006 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Kunta Kinte said...

if that's true, sheila, then how come the energy giants haven't exploited free energy? cuttlefish's link to O'Leary's article on free energy appears convincing, but if what you say is true, then it seems absurd that big energy wouldn't have jumped on the free energy concept.

11/30/2006 10:52:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Many interesting responses, with far more measured tones. I was beginning to wonder why we can’t ever seem to discuss Mr. Ruppert without all the feathers flying—previous discussions have been overwrought with an emotional investment in these “pet theories” or fanatically held worldviews, all of which sounds suspicious to me, by which I do not invoke the dread disinfo curse. In fact, I think it’s absolutely pointless to toss that thing out there at all.

Despite the semi-anonymous Sheila’s deference to “empiricalism” and the underlying assumption that the truth is all out there, for everyone to see, the truth is so well massaged, camouflaged and distorted that its shape can only be indirectly deduced by studying the effects of the alleged "facts" and "events". The official story for everything political and economic is bleeding profusely—do we really want to save it, or maybe finally put it out of our misery? I don’t understand how statements about the integrity of the oil barons supports the Peaker premise, but here we see it anyway:

Americans blaming oil companies is as old as the hills - it conveniently skips the empirical to refer to motive, skewed economics - price gouging and so on…we are victims of big biz, sob sob

So…we’re not? The corporations that run the world don’t really run the world because the damned commies who control so many governments around the world have naturalized all of the corporations' oil? And, these same preyed-upon corporations have always been above-board and forthcoming in their dealings with us? Really?! (Why have my sympathies been lying with exploited people when I could have been helping to nurse those poor corporations back to health?!) I imagine that the sight of those deeply-jowled oil sharks being spared the inconvenience of testifying under oath in the senate by that valiant man of the people, Ted “Net-tubes” Stevens, was what, the way things should be? And the role of the corporations in our lovely secret history (United Fruit, Shell, G.E., etc, giving the CIA orders for which country to invade, which democratic movement to suppress, which nuns to rape) is what, imagined? Are you really serious about that, Sheila?

My worldview, such as it is, is very much a work in progress (aside from the eternal truths, but let’s not get metaphysical here in this muddy field). You have to be flexible because you’re constantly being lied to, but that doesn’t mean you can’t make judgments or arrive at well-reasoned conclusions. Here’s a quick but far-ranging example: compare a standard American History textbook with Howard Zinn’s People’s History. Both have a definite political perspective, but does this mean we can’t decide which is telling the truth? Or, how about this one, the famous excerpt from George F. Kennan’s Policy Planning Study 23, which he wrote in 1948, just when the victorious Nazis from both sides were setting up the present system:

"We have about 50% of the world's wealth, but only 6.3% of its population. ... In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity. ... To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. ... We should cease to talk about vague and ... unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better."

The only thing that’s changed is that the lessons of Orwell have been added to the military/industrial playbook so that we don’t have to deal in “straight power concepts” so much as use the “idealistic slogans” to mask what we’re really doing. Underneath the rhetoric, however, Kennan’s frank admission still describes the relationships between America and the rest of the world and between the robber barons who still control America and the stooges caught up in their “sentimentality and day-dreaming”.

Don’t curse Big Gav for linking here, monkeygrinder--I get the distinct impression that he is also both skeptical and open to suggestion on these issues. He wrote recently complaining about the common equation of Peak Oilers with Apocalyptic Survivalists, because while many of them do have an extreme we’re-all-going-to-die-so-don’t-bother-brainstorming-anymore mentality (and yes, Ruppert is one of those), there are also many others who would rather fight than accept their “fate” (and the bullshit they’ve been sold by those wonderfully honest corporations and those that knowingly or otherwise further their interests...which are never, ever ours).

By the way, Kunta Kinte, free energy can't be sold, much less monopolized by the owners, and that's why it's a far bigger threat to them than socialism ever was. Check out Bibhas De for more on the skewering of science and Geoff Haselhurst on Tesla's illumination, if you're interested in the supposedly "para-historical".

11/30/2006 11:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Sexy Time said...

By the way, Kunta Kinte, free energy can't be sold, much less monopolized by the owners, and that's why it's a far bigger threat to them than socialism ever was.

i didn't gather that from O'Leary's article. my interpretation of his comments was that if we didn't embrace free energy, big business would.

big business can exploit and sell anything. that's waht it does. who would have thought people would purchase a 12oz bottle of water for $1.00 20 years prior? someone did, and capitalized on it. people will purchase anything, even if it's free, becuase it's the perception that they're purchasing, more so than the physical property when it comes to tangible goods.

11/30/2006 11:52:00 AM  
Blogger filboy said...

Jeff and All,

Please visit davesweb.cnchost.com for the best analysis of all things Ruppertian, not to mention 911, and about anything else he researches. I won't try to paraphrase his posts, so look for the series in the newsletter section that starts around Cop vs CIA. Then read excerpts of Understanding the F-Word that are in the 'Books by the host' section, then get a copy. You can just feel the wool being pulled off your eyes.

11/30/2006 02:01:00 PM  
Blogger louise mcmillin said...

I want everyone to know I read you all often. Not to minimalize Jeff's posts, but many times I find the comments section to be more fascinating than Jeff's posts.
Again, it's happened. Do we really know what's going to happen and what is true or untrue? I think this comment section is proof of that.

But, Sexy Time, you've really condensed it all: no matter what they MUST keep us buying. Hence, I'd like to add this to the gaiety of nations: WANT CHANGE? KEEP IT IN YOUR POCKET. YOUR DOLLAR IS YOUR VOTE. I saw that on a Deconsumption post.

Stop buying. Stop buying everything you don't truly need. It's difficult. Bumper sticker: If voting changed things it would be illegal. The Book of Revelations: No man might BUY OR SELL save he that had the mark of the beast. I'm not into the Bible anymore, but I always love it when right-wingers try to make out that the U.S. is some god-given nation. There ain't nobody closer to the beast than us.

Anyway, like everyone's comments and they ALL give me something to think about. PO or not to PO, is not really the question. The question is to buy or not to buy.

11/30/2006 02:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Chicken Fried Steak said...

wow, filboy, thanks for that reference to the Dave McGowan article. it was spectacular and extremely enlightening. all of you who haven't read it, especially those who subsribe to the theory of peak oil, you must read it, and do so with an open mind, if that's possible.

11/30/2006 03:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Satan said...

There ain't nobody closer to the beast than us.

That's the God-Damned truth, Louise, and I should know.

11/30/2006 03:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone find the new Denzel Washington movie to be a trigger?

11/30/2006 04:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FYI: the name of the program the FBI was using was called Snow White.

It was a Theta program. Justing wondering.

11/30/2006 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Kermit the Dull said...

We tried to take over in '37, but that damned Smedley Butler ratted us out. We thought we could trust him...Jerry MacGuire was the cut-out...later we hijacked the name for a meme movie: "show me the money." Side-track, always side-track. Deja vu all over again.

We could have helped you people back then, avoided WW2, introduced corporate-managed efficiencies, allied ourselves with our German friends...Prescott was working the deal...then FDR closed the bank, Fritz had to run...this whole thing didn't have to be so painful and prolonged...

1975 we introduced an Aussie stamp, the flower 'pea coil'...get it? January 7 our OPEC servants raised crude prices 10%--ha ha--the next day our moron Ford appoints Nelson to investigate CIA domestic crimes--we were rolling on the floor!

We really had the bases covered, even down to Faisal's assassination--useful martyrs to modernization, doncha know. What a clown that guy was, giving Henry a copy of the Protocols! What the hell was the guy thinking?

1975, what a year. Our IRA boys blew off a bomb in Picadilly, our Baader boyz set one off in Paris, and our Weathermenschen banged up the State Dept, and later LaGuardia. What a year. About the only thing we didn't have a hand in was the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

They never learn. When your enemies are David Cornhole and Norman "kneepads" Solomon, wear it as a badge of honor. Naming Dick Charnely as the mastermind of 911 is disinformation? Drug cash laundered and propping up the NYSE? Dis info is my info.

But they never learn, not even when you're slugging them in the face.

Smedley was right, war is a racket, but it's OUR racket, and now we got a nice one planned fer aran. Borat Mossadegh! We got a new Pahlavi, shiny from his Ajax scrubbing. Maybe we jumped the shark with the cluster bomb thingie in Leb'non, but you people keep buying the tickets--you can't live without us!

I mean, really, watcha gonna do, grow squash and write poems by candlelight?

11/30/2006 04:59:00 PM  
Anonymous The Edge said...

What would BONO do?

11/30/2006 05:03:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

chris -

Of the two companies mentioned in that Litvinenko article, this is what I have on Erinys. First from a 2004 State Department list of companies doing business in Iraq:

Erinys Iraq Limited

Headquarters:
16 Zukak 18
601 Emerat Mahla
Al-Mansour
Baghdad, Iraq
Tel: +873763692882
Email: opsbaghdad@erinysinternational.com
Website: www.erinysinternationa.com

Contact in Iraq:
Michael Hutchings
Tel: +873763692882 or +96447901921231
Email: CV@ErinysIraq.com

Description of Services:
Expatriate and Iraqi security services supported by nationwide radio and voice/data satellite communications. Services include managed guard forces, personal protection services, convoy protection, key point, and area security. Company is structured in 3 regions and 12 sectors with expatriate managed offices in each sector.


And a little more here, also from 2004:

Campaigning journalist Paul Foot, writing in Private Eye, has exposed some of the thugs hired by one company, Erinys: "In January two South Africans working for Erinys suffered a bomb attack. Deon Gouws was a former member of Valkplaas, a notorious 'hit squad' implicated in many murders. South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission granted him amnesty after he admitted involvement in more than 40 petrol bombings of political activists' homes. Francois Strydom was a former member of Koevoet, a South African counter-insurgency unit in Namibia with a reputation for murder and torture."

Erinys has a total of 14,000 mercenaries in Iraq. Some of them are Iraqis who are part of the private militia put together by US-backed Iraqi exile Ahmed Chalabi.

Trade and industry secretary Patricia Hewitt holds up Erinys as a model for how British companies can benefit from the "reconstruction" of Iraq. It was among the sponsors of the "Iraq Procurement 2004-Meet the Buyers" conference, which was held in London with backing from New Labour.


I don't have anything on Titon but it sounds like it's cut from the same cloth -- former UK security types turned private mercenaries. I can't say I'm altogether surprised to see them turning up in the Litvinenko story, since firms like seem to be pieces of the same puzzle. (For example, note that Neil Bush has connections with both Boris Berezovsky and the risk-management firm Dilligence LLC.) But that said, the exact connections are anything but clear.

11/30/2006 05:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff writes, in reverse order:

"Seeing a braggart and a bully brought low by his own demons is one thing, but seeing the ruin of an investigative community that broke stories..."

Keep that in mind, Jeff, when you look in the mirror on your irrational divisive behavior. Has Jeff caught the Ruppert Syndrome? He's showing the telltale signs that the same Ruppert Syndrome might have been transferred to Canada with him, Is it catching? The signs of its spread are very recognizable--characterized by self-Orthodoxy and Tourettes-like baiting divisions where none exists. This two pronged sign--which we know so well from Ruppert--seem to have infected Jeff over some of the most solid 9-11 evidence. Why? For instance the symptoms begin to mount Jeff:

"But that was then. These days in the 9/11 Truth demimonde, early and clear-eyed researchers like Scott, Paul Thompson and Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed are rarely heard over the likes of Morgan Reynolds and the thermate/"mini-nukes" debate, and rather than contributions such as the discovery of 9/11's concurrent war games we have "scholars for 9/11 Truth" tearing one another new impact holes over speculation...

Come come, Jeff. More irrational baiting you have there.

Your article moves back and forth from a discussion of Ruppert's demons to a mere introduction of your own: thermate and micronukes. As if the evidence doesn't exist. Video evidence and physical sample evidence for thermate. Seismographic and timeline evidence for the micronukes (occurring out of sync with the planes hitting the WTC1 and WTC2, with the detonations starting early and before planes both times!)

Both Jeff and Ruppert have enjoyed a charmed life of baiting divisions up from nothing over their pet issues.

If it's all in Ruppert's demons, Jeff, then you should learn to control or recognize your own: your guerrilla 'attack with words and retreat without leaving evidence' strategy is what Ruppert did, though hey, at least Ruppert sourced his aspersions about when he had them. Jeff didn't on thermate and micronukes. And never will at this rate.

Ruppert was as equally studious as Jeff on ignoring controlled demolition evidence, and physical evidence in general, it not even appearing in his Crossing the Rubicon. It's sort of like saying that we don't have to have an analysis of the murder weapon to have the crime, which is a strange research agenda.

Jeff, your occassional and entirely pointlessly divisive aspersions for the sheer fun of it is very easy to notice, though it ain't going to matter in the long run. Neither is your pretension that by leaving something uncited means you are by definition stating common knowledge--by attempting to pretend it into existence as being so.

Why do you go positively mental--and negative on content attributable links--with issues of real physical evidence of thermate (FEMA even found the sulfurated steel) and micronukes (Christopher Bollyn, fired from the American Free Press position for his investigative and hard hitting stories on demolitions of WTC via something leaving nuclear -style seismographic records)? It is beyond me.

Unless your demons take over and like to create irrational divisiveness where none really exists, create borderlines on research where none really exists.

I'm surprised you don't address Bollyn. He was later physically roughed up by federal level security 'services' of the Bush Reich after he veering very close to the nexus of right-wing Likud/AIPAC spy scandals as connected with 9-11.

Surprised you have been silent on the physical harm to one member of the 9-11 research community as brave and stalwart as he.

I have a 'threat compass theory': when physical threats begin to accrue toward someone, that means research should point more is the direction of their research as the actual hot-button and parapolitially real topics, such as for instance obviously thermate, micronukes, and right wing Likud/Mossad involvement, particularly through Silverstein owner and operator of the WTCs for only 7 weeks beforehand, and a great friend of Ariel Sharon.

Following the 'threat compass theory,' another 9-11 researcher points in another direction for research that would be fruitful and constructive, instead of pointlessly divisive like your commentary, Jeff.

That evil powers saw fit to emerge from the shadows to threaten this other person (and his children) makes my threat compass point clearly at this information:

The Flying Elephant: Evidence for Involvement of a Third (& Fourth) Jet in the WTC Attacks

"Scholars for 9/11 Truth has been appalled to learn that the author of this study has received threats against himself and his family for having written this article [and made watching four videos of the third plane, totaling around 2:10 min, conveniently available in a single article's links. I have seen many still photos of this third plane, though these are the first videos I have seen documenting it.]" "The source of these threats has suggested that he drop out of our organization and that this study should "go away". He has withdrawn from S9/11T, but this piece of research cannot "go away". It has already been widely read and no doubt copied. Under the circumstances, it would be a huge mistake to allow this organization and its journal to be manipulated by external threats. Since the author has nothing to do with our decision to keep it in place, responsibility shifts to the organization. We hope others will pursue its leads."...I hope it is clear that certainly official Bush administration in origin threats on 9/11 Scholars lives are signs of those people noticing something really important. When the stoic strategies of indifference and ignoring are tossed out the window toward active threats, particularly threats on little kids, you can bet that this is really important.

Jeff, does an unnecessary and uncivil divisiveness you decry in Ruppert allows you to feel free and find cover to conduct some of your own? Particularly for you to lambast an entire organization like Scholars for Truth, which you do, despite it being one of the hardest hitting groups for 9-11 truth, is unconscionable.

My 'threat compass' additionally points to Dr. Stephen Jones when he was put on academic leave as punishment for his thermate research, which is unheard of to punish a scholar for something that fails to interfere with their teaching.

Jeff puts himself in the same rank as Fox News when he lowers the standards to do that. It's very questionable if not idiotic and pointless waste of time for a true 9-11 researcher to conduct this type of baiting. If you have some evidential issues, let's hear them instead of your peeved silence.

In conclusion, your article on Ruppert has a side theme of aching to create division where none really existed before. It seems a Freudian Slip to discuss a complaint of Ruppert's directed combativeness toward Orthodoxy in the same post with you mouing and taking on symptoms of Ruppert-- defining the ins and outs and creating Ruppertesque divisiveness as well. Plus ca change in the "9-11 research community".

Beware. With Ruppert's relocation to Canada, I'm sure Frank will have a picture of you and Ruppert, should you ever meet. So watch out!

11/30/2006 05:54:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

My apologizes for wandering OT on a thread that has remarkably managed to stay on topic for once.

Or perhaps not that OT in a larger sense . . .

There's a limitation of perspective I see in much of this thread, and that is its narrow focus on questions of simple fact: Is the oil running out or isn't it? If it is, how much do we have left? Are there alternatives or not? Is the human population going to crash out, is it going to adapt with a certain amount of creaking and grinding, or is there a smooth transition somewhere in our future which is being hidden from us by those who profit from things being the way they are?

All valid questions -- but also all presently unanswerable, and thus grist for endless bootless wrangling.

Perhaps because I've had my head so much into this Litvinenko business the last few days, I'm looking at it the other way up.

Start here: The three most profitable businesses on the planet today are illicit drugs, arms, and energy. Of the three, drugs are firmly in the hands of criminal syndicates. The arms trade also has a huge illicit component, as well as a large amount of corruption and bribery even on the legal side. The drug trade and the covert arms trade have also been tightly entangled since World War II and are commonly in the hands of the same or closely affiliated groups of people.

Energy on the surface is somewhat different because it's so visible. (You can't exactly smuggle oil refineries in or crude out.) And yet there's a persistent sense that it really isn't as different as all that -- that companies like Halliburton are dirty in just the same way as, and may at times be involved with, the arms and drug smugglers.

So suppose we stop treating energy as a rational commodity and start looking at it instead in the same way as illicit drugs -- as an addictive substance which is the source of great wealth and power to those who can control its production and distribution. Add in that (as with heroin) the maximum profits result from a combination of perceived scarcity with actual abundance. And then toss in the fact that gang wars over its control can also serve effectively to pump up the level of apparent scarcity.

Looking at things from that point of view, I wind up being *far* more worried about global warming (and environmental degredation in general) than I am about peak oil, which I think is largely an artifact of marketing, and something of a distraction from the real problem.

11/30/2006 06:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Silverfox said...

Let's not forget that Ruppert was one of the first and very few determined souls in that wilderness of confusion whose voices actually managed to be heard over all the barking dogs of war.

We all owe him for that and for encouraging so many others to refuse to get sucked in by all the propaganda, at least not without taking a proper and much more thorough look at the all the anomalies and inconsistencies that had been so conveniently swept aside.

His own personal battles with big government corruption and cover-ups may have made some events a little more obvious to him at the outset but he has had no better ideas, really, about what their possible motivation might have been than any of the rest of us. That's not really his fault but more the nature of these events themselves.

Like far too many other players in this and similar games, (like Ufology, for instance) it quickly becomes a major souce of income for them right along with all the same kind of publicity seeking and grandstanding that inevitably winds up distorting some facts, ignoring others, and just plain sensasationalizing whatever is left.

Ruppert, I'm afraid, has simply succumbed to his own hype and need to stay in the limelight and both the truth and his health have obviously suffered for it.

Peak Oil had a great deal of currency at the outset and presented what seemed to be quite a logical, almost rational explanation for some of the more bizarre moves and machinations by both Bush and the US government that didn't seem to quite add up or make sense any other way. Still don't in fact.

Since it was at least a workable hypothesis at that time Ruppert eagerly siezed upon it to lend greater credibility to his own observations and deductions. To both emphasize and make them seem all the more dramatic.

At this stage I don't think he can actually separate those two.

Admitting he might have been wrong about Peak Oil is naturally going to have some loudly asking about just how valid anything else he has to say is. Worrying about something like that can make indeed make a person sick, and being sick, of course, ultimately removes them from the situation.

It is most unfortunate for Ruppert himself, and I do feel very sorry for him as should everyone else but we also need to recognise the kind of vulnerabilities we ourselves can create for all such individuals simply by honestly supporting them and wanting to believe them.

No one ever has the market cornered when it comes to the truth. We need to always keep an open mind about things and as much as possible work together in trying to understand them.

Differences of opinions when properly respected can save us all a great deal of grief when it comes to venturing out onto thin ice.

No one may know the exact point where that ice is likely to be too thin to support anyone but their common feeling that it is should never be ignored or disregarded because of that.

The torch passed from Ruppert into many more hands some time ago, this is merely a kind of acknowledgement of that by Ruppert.

Toronto was a good place for Bob Dylan to recover from his motorcycle accident and for Ringo Starr to chill for a few years after the Beatles break-up.

Other American notables and celebritiies have found the atmosphere there to be far more civil and civilised than just about anywhere else on the continent. Sort of like New York if it were run by the Swiss was haw Peter Usinov used to sum it up it. The people there are simply too polite to bother anyone.

Maybe Ruppert can finally get his bearings and perhaps a little better perspective from the the colder and clearer climate there.

11/30/2006 07:35:00 PM  
Blogger Caryl said...

Jeff, I'm worried. I think that you may be losing your edge. This post and the comments to it all seem to me very self-indulgent - like novice poets declaiming their "self-expression" and forgetting the formal discipline of communication and ideas.
Sure, Mike Ruppert probably had problems- who doesn't? But Peak Oil is either a) empirically and scientifically provable, or b) hype so that oil companies can raise prices, or c) some combination of the two, or d) some further combination of political stress, increased demand from Asia, etc. etc.
It is a FACT that oil peaked in the lower 48 US states in 1971- just as M.King Hubbert predicted, to the discomfiture of his bosses at Shell Oil.
This FACT helps to explain much in US politics since then - not everything of course, but much.
It is also true, as you charge, that there is a "fascistic" element in the Peak Oil movement. Actually, this is not the right word. In Colin Campbell's Peak Oil newsletter last year, there was an article by a British commentator to the effect that the population needs to be reduced. I wrote a polite but strong objection to this piece, which was somewhat anti-humanistic - eliciting from Dr. Campbell a cordial denial.
However, aside from these lapses, it seems to me that Dr. Campbell has carried on impeccable research into the oil problem for the last 10 years, and that he is one of the few people to draw attention to it. Your dismissal of this research through making accusations seems to me short-sighted. As for going after Mike Ruppert with various insinuations - this is incredible to me! No wonder we only have the War Party and the Corporation Party in the US. Only clear thinking and strong mutual support will give us any hope of climbing out of this abyss - and I am sorry to see so little evidence of this in this post.

11/30/2006 08:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Nigella Lawson said...

have you read the Mcgowan material as implored by chicken fried steak?

you owe it to yourself.

also, who cares about a man's reputation. it's the words and ideas that matter. if you focus on that, and not the personality, you're less apt to be led astray.

11/30/2006 08:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By that list of health problems, could he be a victim of Radiowave sickness due to microwave pollution?

http://www.electricalpollution.com/Health_Issues.html

Brian

11/30/2006 08:58:00 PM  
Blogger sfmike said...

I was working audio-visual at a dot-com conference in the year 2000 in Silicon Valley right before the last crash, and it was filled with speakers who were doing the latest song-and-dance for investors along the lines of "wealth is expanding for the forseeable future for everyone." The keynote speaker turned out to be a surprisingly brilliant and articulate Jerry Springer, of all people.

One of the most interesting speakers (from Berkeley, I'm sorry to have forgotten his name) mentioned that the coming prosperity was unstoppable except for a couple of things. The number one thing that could prevent it was the continuation of the stupid and deplorable practice of "the wholesale burning of extremely valuable hydro-carbon molecules," in other words petroleum products, which can be used to construct virtually anything but which poison the entire globe if burned into the atmosphere.

I've thought about that remark often in the last six years, and have to agree once again with starroute that I am "far more worried about global warming [and environmental degredation in general] than I am about peak oil."

And to new commenter Louise McMillan, your adivce to "Stop buying" strikes me as the beginning of wisdom.

By the way, I bought the new Thomas Pynchon novel "Against The Day" last week, and though it's set at the turn of the last century (19th/20th), the commenters and the subject matter on this site sound as if they could be in the novel with very few substitutions. In fact, it made me realize that "Rigorous Intuition" has been a Pynchon novel all along, except that we get to write it collaboratively.

11/30/2006 09:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Peak oil is real. Global warming is real. Environmental degradation is real. Overpopulation is real. They are also all problems that we can address to at least reduce future devastation.

Perhaps you haven't heard of "Mass Extinction?" Well, that's real too.
http://www.truthmove.org/insight/massextinction.html

Strange, the PO deniers are also the ones who never bring up meta-problems like ecosystem collapse or unsustainable society. They always seem to think the world is just fine and their personal lifestyle could have nothing to do with the ills of the world. No no, they say, it's just this cabal of evil elites bent on domination; there's nothing wrong with ME or MY life.

The same thinking often appears in the myopic 9/11 Truth movement, where flaky leaders often emplore, "Can't we just get some justice so we can all just get back to our lives?" What life? What are you trying to get back to? What are you talking about?

As Mike Ruppert said, "This is no more time to go home."

The scariest thing to face is our own complicity in this suicidal, unsustainable system. Those must always externalize their demons (CFR, Cheney, Bilderberg, Illuminati, Federal Reserve, etc.) are missing the bigger picture. Sure as hell, hold these figureheads accountable, but in the end it is up to us...to change.

Whether we know it or not, we're all involved in a truth movement. The question is not just who is lying to us but how are we lying to ourselves.

http://www.truthmove.org/index.html

11/30/2006 10:03:00 PM  
Blogger duff said...

Regardless of your views about Ruppert's personality, he and FTW provided great research and commentary and the archives are available should any of the 'opinionateds' want to do a little review; the empircal support for PeakOil (peak energy) is convincing and also supplies some of the rationale for the on-going and future geopolitical moves between Russia, China and the Great Hegemonic Empire of the United States.....
Global 'Heating' is the bigger but not dissociated threat. But it doesn't contradict the evils brought about by the battles for energy resources.

Generally, anyway you cut it, the future does not look too encouraging.

11/30/2006 10:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Dr. Bombay said...

We will run out of atmosphere
long before we run out of oil,
I'm afraid. Not to mention coal.
China now builds one coal fired
power plant PER WEEK! Peak oil
is a scam that oil companys will
use to drive up the cost of oil
for as long as they possibly
can, and for as long as world
governments allow themselves
to be bought and sold. I read an
article recently about a company
that claims to have built a device
that allows an electric car
owner to recharge his car by
plugging it into a tree.
Evidently trees have a constant
positive charge which can be used
like a twelve volt battery.
In fact, you could plug multiple
cars into one tree and still
maintain ample voltage. So when
will Bush announce this
break through and gear up to
implement this technology?
Dont hold your breath, cause it
will just make you blue.

11/30/2006 11:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It really doesn't matter whether oil peaks or not, because there's plenty of energy around. The issue is pollution overload from crony oil, and killing off real live technologies that work--as someone mentioned above.

1.

Oil Regime Keeps Us from Investing in Sustainable Wind/Sun: More Power Than Oil Ever Could

SUN: ONLY HALF OF 1% required. Every year the sun pours down the equivalent of 1.5m barrels of oil of energy for every square kilometre, without pollution. Estimates it takes only 0.5% of the world's hot deserts with current technology called concentrated solar power (CSP) to provide the world's entire electricity needs.

WIND: ONLY 5% OF KNOWN WIND SITES required to DOUBLE global energy capacity above current usage, and without pollution. Wind power could generate enough electricity to support the world's energy needs several times over, according to map of global wind speeds--first of its kind. The map, compiled by researchers at Stanford University, shows wind speeds at more than 8,000 sites around the world. They found that at least 13% of those sites experience winds fast enough to power current wind turbines. If turbines were set up in all these regions, they would generate 72 terawatts. That's more than five times world's current energy needs...if only potentially doubled energy use is projected, then that means [only (13/5)x2] it takes ONLY 5.2% OF THOSE SITES being used to double world energy capacities. That's only about 400 wind farms and you DOUBLE global energy capacity.

North America and parts of Northern Europe have a high number of ideal spots for setting up wind turbines. Approximately 20% of Denmark's energy is wind power. USA, with best place in world for wind turbines, only generates 1% from wind. And with the solar technology, they harp on it being water purification/recycling simultaneously.

2.

A History Of 52 'New Energy' Technology Invention Suppressions That Demote Consumer Choice

author: Gary Vesperman
permanent batteries; "hydrogen on demand" engines (burning high frequency low amp electric split H2O: two monoatomic hydrogens in an oxygen atmosphere, waste is what you started with--water, once more); nuclear waste remediation technologies; Brazil just went energy sufficient; and more, all supressed.

"In the last two months, there have been three incidents of energy inventors threatened with death by gun-toting thugs....This is the third version of my compilation of specific ENERGY SUPPRESSION cases [including NUCLEAR WASTE REMEDIATION technologies, suppressed by U.S.'s Department of Energy, particularly, in their aegis, Spencer Abraham]. This time I decided to get serious. I thoroughly reviewed my own files and a few web sites pertaining to energy suppression [and came up with 52 CASES OF ENERGY AND NUCLEAR REMEDIATION TECHNOLOGICAL SUPPRESSION]. Deleted were some cases that didn't appear to be authentic suppression. I also incorporated some thoughtful comments that had been emailed to me...."


Much of what this says could be said for many of the wonderful commenters and posters on this blog:

"Inventors in their zeal to improve the well-being of their fellow inhabitants of Planet Earth face such perils as poverty, slander, ridicule, and neglect. Inventors of energy devices sometimes have also been bullied by large energy-related corporations and allies in the United States Government who seek to maintain their energy slavery....The illegal as well as legal tactics of these suppression actions have encompassed: imprisonment on false charges, IRS harassment, burglaries, bribery with huge sums of money, and even murder....[T]he oil companies will do EVERYTHING in their power to suppress this kind of technology, ...

11/30/2006 11:45:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Start here: The three most profitable businesses on the planet today are illicit drugs, arms, and energy. Of the three, drugs are firmly in the hands of criminal syndicates. The arms trade also has a huge illicit component, as well as a large amount of corruption and bribery even on the legal side. The drug trade and the covert arms trade have also been tightly entangled since World War II and are commonly in the hands of the same or closely affiliated groups of people.

Starroute veers pretty darn close to the heart of the matter with the role of energy in the modern world, except that she doesn’t push it quite far enough. If free energy technology were allowed to be developed, the pivotal monopoly of this dark age would be smashed. If energy were locally produced and controlled, local autonomy would established for the first time since we all lived in scattered tribes. The ripple effect of this would be enormous, a cascading wave of change that overturned all the long-dominant practices that derive from the economics of scarcity.

We wouldn’t need the stinking hydrocarbons that are poisoning our world. The thing we crave, the thing we fear running out, the Peak of Oil…is a nasty addiction that we don’t really need anyway, even absent the holy grail of free energy. This is the greatest weakness of the Peaker position—they refuse to acknowledge the technical feasibility of converting the rapacious hydrocarbon economy to an agriculturally based carbohydrate economy. Dr. Hale’s fascist tendencies notwithstanding, his simple declaration, “Anthing made from hydrocarbons can be made from carbohydrates,” is even more true today than it was when the technology to make the transition was in its infancy 75 years ago. There are patents for chemical processes for every major petroleum based product upon which the Peakers tell us we so depend. (True, many of them are “owned” by German firms, but what does that mean, if opening the patent applications would save the planet? [Private] property is still theft, no matter what the market whores tell us.)

If we increased auto efficiency by 50-75% while relieving the need for petroleum for product applications through carbohydrate conversion, and then addressed the architectural causation of greenhouse gas emissions (45%) by converting our housing and industrial infrastructure to sustainable designs which have been around for two generations, we would further reduce consumption of fossil fuels (80-100% savings in green buildings!) and in the process rebuild our cities to reflect man’s true social nature—the cooperative man. Goodbye pollution, goodbye fossil fuels, and goodbye to the social stratification of the Sao Paolo model. Given a choice, people would rather come together for a barn-raising than for a war or a lynching (it’s just not a choice on the menu, for some reason, unless you’re Amish or something…weird like that.)

So why hasn’t this already happened, if the technology is available? The answer is obvious. Some people like it this way. To those who say that the elites are convenient scapegoats for our own moral inadequacies, I would respond that I’m sure those same elites very much approve that message. How, exactly, was it the common man’s fault that DuPont was allowed to conspire with the Department of Justice, Wall Street, and the Hearst syndicate to crush the emerging carbohydrate economy when we stood on that threshold in the 1930s? The insane prison economy is growing at such a rate that within ten years 1% of the US population will behind bars, working for .25/hr for the inmate work program now being set up. Guess who’s behind that racket? The same bankers, industrialists and narco-terrorists who own the media which spreads the fear and the lies that started all this in that low, dishonest decade that I’ve been linking here so often of late.

So, yeah, defend Mike Ruppert’s honor, acknowledge the debt of gratitude for his selfless bravery in showing us that 9/11 wasn’t what the government told us it was. And by all means attack Jeff for not displaying absolute obedience to the solidarność of the 9/11 truth movement. And then tell us that it’s all our fault anyway and there’s too many of us and why don’t we just…what was Ruppert’s phrase? Oh yeah, “seek out the most humane method of reducing the excess population,” just like the good little sheep creeping to the slaughter that they’ve been telling us we are. But don’t make any noise about it all being unnecessary, because that would, well, it would impugn their honor, and these great men can’t be expected to shut their eminent oracular orifices for humanity’s sake, can they?

I mean, gosh. We didn’t even know that 9/11 was an inside job without these brave men and their selfless vision, did we?

12/01/2006 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous xsicbastardx said...

Jeff.....Houston we have a problem...board's down but maybe you already know.....

12/01/2006 01:15:00 AM  
Blogger owlindaylight said...

I.C., maybe you should direct your arguments against specific commenters (as I should also learn to do,) so we can know who's under attack here, and so some of us can possibly avoid the sense that we're being straw-manned. I for one am not of the position that we owe absolute fealty to FTW and all their positions are unchallengeable -- we sift through it all and absorb the good, while challenging the bad.

For the record, my position on Peak Oil is a definitive "I don't know but I ain't takin' chances." The level of certainty some people have on this issue strikes me as rather arrogant, and tells me their egos are over-involved in this ... it seems only proper that everyone, MCR included, ought to entertain some degree of agnosticism. For one thing, it helps us hear all sides of the issue a little better than entrenched true-believer-ism will allow for.

Regarding population reduction: One suggestion I've heard to help avoid this slippery slope is to reduce the "population effect" rather than the population itself. We here in the industrial metropoles (those lit-up places you see in satellite photos of the earth at night) are responsible for far more than our fair share of resource consumption (by degrees of magnitude) than those in the blacked-out areas. Rich nations, and rich people, can reduce the problem greatly by reducing their profligate consumption levels. We can do this voluntarily, or we can defend our right to disproportionate consumption by embarking on an even more fascist course of empire than what we're already seeing. Trust me, the real Malthusian danger comes from the powers that be, and not the environmental / Peak Oil movement.

12/01/2006 01:29:00 AM  
Blogger monkeygrinder said...

cuttlefish said:
"This is the greatest weakness of the Peaker position—they refuse to acknowledge the technical feasibility of converting the rapacious hydrocarbon economy to an agriculturally based carbohydrate economy"

owlindaylight retorted:
"so some of us can possibly avoid the sense that we're being straw-manned."

monkeygrinder rejoined:

cuttlefish, duder.

some of us, the esteemed Big Gav included, have been writing on peak oil for many moons now. There is no such thing as a "peaker". There are some who venn up to your specific criticism. I know who they are. Do you? References, please.

Cuba made the transition you lazily refer to, when Russia cut them off in the early nineties. They turned farmers and doctors into the primary white collar jobs. Times were lean and people starved - a little. Now, Cuba is set.

The rest of the world is not, and it is mostly due to vanity and wealth.

It would be easier for our presently wealthy industrial civilization to pass through the eye a needle than to enter the kingdom of sustainability without suffering.

The worst case scenario in all things is when a culture does not learn from its mistakes.

12/01/2006 03:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the airless, factless world of the internet, no one has gotten around to mentioning that population is already dropping.

So with the empty Peak Oil idea, the population bomb turned out to be a dud as well.

Population is already dropping, ninnies. It's not ego you are hearing, it's the echo reverberation of some truly breathtaking ignorance/egotism attempting to pass for "agnosticism."

We don't have to hash out things over and over about this do we? :

Ain't no peak oil.

Ain't no energy crisis.

Ain't no population bomb.

Ain't nothing much to fear except people selling fear and gaining power from it.

World Population has been stabilizing since 2002 and dropping below replacement naturally already--and it has a lot to do with the family dynamics sociology of larger urbanized populations.

This quote from the author editor of the Whole Earth Catalogue:


"Take population growth. For 50 years, the demographers in charge of human population projections for the United Nations released hard numbers that substantiated environmentalists' greatest fears about indefinite exponential population increase. For a while, those projections proved fairly accurate. However, in the 1990s, the U.N. started taking a closer look at fertility patterns, and in 2002, it adopted a new theory that shocked many demographers: human population is leveling off rapidly, even precipitously, in developed countries, with the rest of the world soon to follow. Most environmentalists still haven't got the word. Worldwide, birthrates are in free fall. Around one-third of countries now have birthrates below replacement level (2.1 children per woman) and sinking. Nowhere does the downward trend show signs of leveling off. Nations already in a birth dearth crisis include Japan, Italy, Spain, Germany, and Russia -- whose population is now in absolute decline and is expected to be 30 percent lower by 2050. On every part of every continent and in every culture (even Mormon), birthrates are headed down. They reach replacement level and keep on dropping. It turns out that population decrease accelerates downward just as fiercely as population increase accelerated upward, for the same reason. Any variation from the 2.1 rate compounds over time.

That's great news for environmentalists (or it will be when finally noticed) [unless it is due to pollution destroying sperm counts which this article ignores...], but they need to recognize what caused the turnaround. The world population growth rate actually peaked at 2 percent way back in 1968, the very year my old teacher Paul Ehrlich published The Population Bomb.

The world's women didn't suddenly have fewer kids because of his book, though.

They had fewer kids because they moved to town. [among other points]

Cities are population sinks-always have been. Although more children are an asset in the countryside, they're a liability in the city. A global tipping point in urbanization is what stopped the population explosion. As of this year, 50 percent of the world's population lives in cities, with 61 percent expected by 2030. In 1800 it was 3 percent; in 1900 it was 14 percent.

The environmentalist aesthetic is to love villages and despise cities. My mind got changed on the subject a few years ago by an Indian acquaintance who told me that in Indian villages the women obeyed their husbands and family elders, pounded grain, and sang. But, the acquaintance explained, when Indian women immigrated to cities, they got jobs, started businesses, and demanded their children be educated. They became more independent, as they became less fundamentalist in their religious beliefs. Urbanization is the most massive and sudden shift of humanity in its history. Environmentalists will be rewarded if they welcome it and get out in front of it. In every single region in the world, including the U.S., small towns and rural areas are emptying out. The trees and wildlife are returning. Now is the time to put in place permanent protection for those rural environments. Meanwhile, the global population of illegal urban squatters -- which Robert Neuwirth's book Shadow Cities already estimates at a billion -- is growing fast. Environmentalists could help ensure that the new dominant human habitat is humane and has a reduced footprint of overall environmental impact.

end quote

begin enlightenment

Oh dear! What will we fear!

Nothing.

It's just the Power of Nightmares. Please, please watch this (however many faults it has) to pay tribute to a great BBC documentary.

"In the past politicians promised to create a better world....Increasingly, politicians are increasingly as managers..Instead of delivering dreams, they promise to protect us from nightmares (of their own invention)...much of it a fantasy, a dark illusion that has spread around the world...."

12/01/2006 03:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, perhaps there is one thing to fear: people who think they 'have to be' inert, locked in place, programmed merely to watch the world destroy itself in environmental degradation...

Look in the mirror. Recognize anyone? I used to. I don't anymore. I'm screaming my head off to all who hear that "they aren't trapped".

Even though a great portion of our consumption is chosen exclusively by the supply-side, managerial, infrastructural and anti-consumer ideologies instead of being based on choice, there are still ways to organize against it.

It may start small and individual. though once it does, it turns from individuals into alternative networked organizations.

Resistance is fertile. Remember these things for instance. From:

BioDemocracy News #27: Who's Winning the Frankenfoods Fight?
BioDemocracy News #27 May 2000

News and Analysis on Genetic Engineering, Factory Farming, & Organics
by: Ronnie Cummins
BioDemocracy News is a publication of the Organic Consumers Association
www.purefood.org
__________________________________________________________________

The worst nightmares of Monsanto and the Gene Giants are becoming reality.

The four year food fight by European consumers and farmers is slowly but
surely driving genetically engineered (GE) foods and crops off the EU
market, the largest in the world. US corn exports to the EU have fallen
from $360 million a year to near zero, while soybean exports have fallen
from $2.6 billion annually to $1 billion--and are expected to fall even
further as major food processors, supermarkets, and fast-food chains ban GE
soy or soy derivatives in animal feeds. Canada's canola exports to Europe
similarly have fallen from $500 million a year to near zero. Meanwhile
Brazilian exporters are doing a brisk business selling "GE-free" soybeans
to European buyers, and organic food is booming throughout the
industrialized world. On May 18 the latest in a series of GE scandals
rocked Europe as a major rapeseed (canola) seller, Advanta Seeds, a
division of biotech giant AstraZeneca, admitted that genetic drift from
gene-altered canola fields in Canada had contaminated certified "non-GE
seed" export shipments to Britain, France, Germany and Sweden.

Consumer rejection of gene-foods is steadily spreading to Japan, South
Korea, Australia, New Zealand, India, and a host of other nations,
including the United States and Canada. Japan and South Korea-where public
concern is rising--have the biotech industry extremely worried, since these
two nations alone buy $11.3 billion of US agriculture exports every year.

On May 18 the Tokyo Grain Exchange soy futures market begin for the first
time to offer wholesale traders a choice of GE or non-GE soybeans. On the
first day of trading, non-GE buyers committed to 914,000 tons, compared to
only 364,000 tons for unsegregated (GE-tainted) US soybean futures.

Gene-foods and patents on living organisms have become hot button political
issues in India, Thailand, Malaysia, Brazil, Mexico, and the Philippines.
At recent international conventions such as the Biosafety Protocol meeting
in Montreal in January and the UN Codex Alimentarius meeting in Ottawa in
May, the US government has become increasingly isolated in its "no
labeling, no safety-testing" position.

Since the first of the year, prospects for a Biotech Century have dimmed
considerably. Among the most recent blows to the agbiotech industry have
been the following:...

etc:

http://www.organicconsumers.org/newsletter/biod27.cfm

and

"While total sales of agbiotech seeds and rBGH will amount to less than
$5 billion this year (2002), global organic food sales will be five times
greater or $ 25 billion. While only four countries are growing GE
crops on any scale, farmers in 130 nations are now producing and
exporting certified organic foods and crops. At the current annual 24%
growth rate of the organic sector in the US, organic farming will make
up over 50% of US agriculture by 2020. And of course, if current
consumer and regulatory trends continue, Frankencrops will be driven
off the market long before organic becomes the norm."

http://www.organicconsumers.org/newsletter/biod39.cfm

What are those four countries of the 'GMO axis of evil?"


US, Canada, and
Argentina, with 96% of total acreage; and China with 3%.

In addition, only two
crops, soybeans and corn, account for a full 82% of all global GMO acreage, while two GMO others,
cotton and canola, account for 17%.

In the year 2000, the seeds of one company, Monsanto, made up 91% of all GE crops, while, for all practical purposes only two
other Gene Giants have products on the market, Syngenta (formerly called Novartis/AstraZeneca) and Aventis (now owned by Bayer).

In other words it's just a handful of cronies in charge of the infrastructure and organizations attempting to keep their clientelisms intact that are being rejected en masse globally. And its really mostly Monsanto. One company. One. Little. Company. Though a powerful one.

Their materials are being rejected.

And now, particularly with the sour note of 9-11 official story lies, major ideological adherence at least benefit of the doubt has been destroyed as well.

People are looking for material and ideological alternatives and the American model of corporate pollution fundamentalism, world bankerism, and world destruction as 'advance'--at least in terms of its widespread ambivalance forms of support--is going the way of the dodo.

(By the way, I think everyone on this blog would enjoy the free intermittent news bursts from the Organic Consumer Associations "Biodemocracy News".)

12/01/2006 04:22:00 AM  
Blogger Tsoldrin said...

Interesting post.

Ruppert I take in a special light which he has, in my eyes, earned for himself alone. On many subjects he has enlightened beyond other researchers, yet on some he seems woefully ignorant. In this particular case I chalk that up to biting off more than he could chew and entering arenas where he is not supreme (or in some cases, even knowledgeable). Others viewed through the same veil, such as Chomsky, come away with the sure taint of a paid gatekeeper, while Ruppert comes away clean, but a bit crazy.

Do I like him? Yes. But I have to treat his information the same way I treat gatekeeper media, with a grain of salt until comfirmed. He's just too damn iffy for me. But I'm still glad he's there.

12/01/2006 05:26:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Thank-you so much anon 4:22 and anon 3:51

I especially liked the resistance is fertile phrase. Good for a bumper sticker or t-shirt.

Change negative polarity expressions to positive polarity expressions and watch our intellects and imaginations flower.

12/01/2006 05:29:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Well said Tsoldrin, thank-you.

12/01/2006 06:02:00 AM  
Blogger Big Gav said...

I think I'm going to regret ever having commented here, with a rash of hits from the US State Department in my logs this morning. Still - in for a penny, in for a pound as they say...

(BTW anyone who doesn't believe Big Brother is watching everything should try a little experiment with a blog, a SiteMeter and a few choice tinfoil quotes - the results are quite educational - but I'm hoping the punishment for this sort of curiosity isn't too severe).

The Cuttlefish said:
Don’t curse Big Gav for linking here, monkeygrinder--I get the distinct impression that he is also both skeptical and open to suggestion on these issues. He wrote recently complaining about the common equation of Peak Oilers with Apocalyptic Survivalists, because while many of them do have an extreme we’re-all-going-to-die-so-don’t-bother-brainstorming-anymore mentality (and yes, Ruppert is one of those), there are also many others who would rather fight than accept their “fate” (and the bullshit they’ve been sold by those wonderfully honest corporations and those that knowingly or otherwise further their interests...which are never, ever ours).

This is a fair summary (its OK for monkeygrinder to curse me though - I inadvertently stole his blog name so I deserve some abuse from him).

I'm trying to remain completely objective in my little analysis of our environmental problems and the optimum solutions, so I try and look at all the angles on each issue without buying in too heavily into any given viewpoint (my default one is a sort of greenish free-market libertarianism but I accept that every approach has its limitations).

The population reductionist camp that you talk about is one of my bugbears and there are certainly some sections of the peak oil world that are guilty of this, but I can assure you its a pretty diverse set of people who follow the topic.

That link about ecofascism and the Wandervogel you (IC) posted was a good one I might add.

As for the free energy stuff, I was 100% skeptical to start with but I'm less sure now and keep a watch on what is going on - the historical aspect of this - first the Tesla period and later the Nazi / Paperclip period makes for entertaining reading at the very least.

I think peak oil (and global warming) can be solved without having to rely on a deus ex machina in any case. While I know corporations aren't a big favourite around here, I quite like the Tesla Motors model of selling electric vehicles along with the solar panels to "fuel" them - anyone care to come up with a criticism of that model ?

Lastly I second the recommendation of "The Power of Nightmares" - though I suspect Adam Curtis' dismissal of 9/11 theories as "vulgar marxism" probably won't be appreciated...

12/01/2006 06:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In response to iridescent (on PO): of course the truth is massaged, much of it is in fact simply conveniently invented (re. fossil fuels), mostly by Governements, and Gvmt. agencies, but by oil companies as well. I made no statement about the integrity of oil barons! As pointed out above, ‘oil’ is one of the most dirty businesses around, along with arms and drugs (human trafficking should be in the list as well.) And I would tend to agree that ‘we are ruled by corporations’ though I’d add a pile of footnotes.

The official story is that PO is ‘fact’ (as it cannot be denied) but that it is a trivial one, in that it lies far in the future (nothing to worry about now); is a state of affairs that human ingenuity can manage, with new better technology, some conservation, etc. New discoveries also hover, with a lot of them PO becomes ‘moot’, and so on. Those who extract and sell oil (and it is a long chain) are understandably not keen on announcing their downsizing, their difficulties, their hopeless projects, etc. That applies particularly to oil companies, as they have shareholders. Saudi Arabian sheiks have an easier time of it.

Oil companies don’t invest in ‘free energy’ (they know it doesn’t exist) and only make symbolic moves into alternatives or renewables (as they are called) because it is not their business (it is the competition), despite the fact that there is some (but only some!) money to be made there. I only wanted to point out that oil companies have less power than is often assumed.

Besides all that, as pointed out above, PO is but one perhaps minor facet of our present ecological predicament. Some even see it as positive - the less oil there is, the less we can burn.

Sheila

12/01/2006 07:28:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

It's not 'free energy'.

It's the tapping or creation of potentials in ways that are not yet recognized.

12/01/2006 07:37:00 AM  
Blogger plectic said...

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here


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12/01/2006 08:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I read through comments here, it strikes me that none to few discuss the current reality of missile defense. I hate to employ the overused "elephant in the room" analogy, but that's what it appears to be. It's my choice and my discernment that guides what I choose to discuss. I don't need a Ruppert or even a Wells to point me to the nearest exit.

In 2000, Senators Lautenberg and Levin requested the Congressional Budget Office to analyze the potential costs and technical implications of what the Administration was planning as a national missile defense system.

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/congress/2000_r/000425-cbo-nmd.htm

"Several close observers of the NMD program believe that the United States will have to develop responses to countermeasures largely on the basis of ground tests and computer simulations--not flight tests. That may be one reason that the Welch Panel strongly argued that the program should pay more attention to continuing to develop its technologies after deployment. For example, an upgraded interceptor might include not only laser range finding and imaging but also an infrared sensor that used far more than two regions of infrared light. Another upgrade, which could possibly employ the existing interceptor hardware, might use the visible image that the interceptor already has in guidance and in the distinguishing of targets. But even if those technologies were already available and the NMD program began incorporating them today, developing the necessary ground-test facilities would take five years."

One important point made as a result of 9/11 was that the ground/air defenses were insufficient to prevent the attack. From that point forward, immediate justification and funding was available, not just for national defense, but for the all-important elephant in the room - the global system of population control that works undercover and posing as "national security and defense".

If you're not keeping up with all that is NASA, don't feel too bad. It may be the most undercover operation attempting to operate in full daylight that's here on the planet.

To imply that there are "high standards" associated with investigative reporting is only a fool's claim to fame, because the claim works quite the opposite direction from its intention. Or maybe it does serve a purpose. It's been 5 years and many, including myself, are still discussing and investigating 9/11. Meanwhile, the national defense system, NASA, and this Administration are conducting business as usual - undercover and safe from prying eyes. It is, afterall, the holy grail known as "national security".

12/01/2006 08:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi there Qlipoth.

(Please note - I am only Anonymouse because Blogger has ceased to regognise me... It's GT here - GeoffreyTransom - an my current meatspace co-ordinates are referred to locally as "La France" or "La République").

OK... that sorted out... on y va.

I think you've perhaps missed the possibilities that arise when a group decides to do things by way of deception (the veiled reference to the Mossad motto is not meant to imply anything).

Let's assume that Ruppert was, in fact, acting in completely good faith. That is ALWAYS my starting point, unless the speaker is a stockbroker or car salesman.

Let's say also that he is made privy to a welter of imformation from a source that he trusts - whose bond fides are not open to question.

Over time, the information provided by that source becomes more and more barmy-sounding - the CIA/drug thing as something other than simple corruption, 9/11 as something other than a government operation...

Acting in good faith, Ruppert (or any otehr person similarly the target of agents of influence) reports what he finds out. Progressively, he takes his readers further and further outside of the box.


And then the hammer falls. Something happens to make Ruppert (or anyone else, for that matter) look like an absolute whack-ball.

The side-effect of that is that saying they have in Tennessee (I know they have it in Texas, probly in Tennessee)... "Fool me once, shame on, shame on me... fool me twi- George Bush is a douchebag".

i.e., a whole PLETHORA of folks who would otherwise be open-minded, will thereafter ignore ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING that Ruppert (or anyone else similarly tarnished) has ever had anything to do with.


Now let's get one thing straight - Cheney and bush and their ilk are worthless failures at everything except suckling at the taxpayers'teat. None of them could run a business (except into the ground) without bailouts from political cronies. So you can discount them immediately as the source of the problem.

The CIA? Not on their best day. They have been so wrong about so much, and so often, that they make Team B look like professionals.

Wall Street? Get a grip. wall Street is a machine for taking money off of idiots and giving it to people who already have loads. It is populated with salesmen and shills, - not one of whom is brighter than a power-saving flourescent 20w bulb.

Freemasons? Well, I is one, and a decently-placed one too... and I've been left out of the mailing list for world domination.


No. In order to run a cabal properly, you have to get your staff when they are VERY easily indoctrinated - like when they're kids. Then you have to pick only the most gifted kiddies, and convince them that they are extra special - give 'em special cult status. tBy the end of it all, you've got your intellectual shock troops (let's call them, oh I dunno... Jesuits or Dominicans - tke your pick).


Everybody senses the hand of government in all things, and yet government is comprised of people who are too inept to make their way in the private sector. Look instead to a group whose entire system is hostile to modern life.


I know what the standard response will be... "Of course a Mason will attack the Church - Masons hate Catholics". NOT TRUE. The "hatred" (it's not hatred, just a ban) runs in one direction only. the Craft will accept any Catholic who chooses to become a member. The CHURCH on the other hand (even since the new Codex) is obliged to deny the sacraments to any man known to be a Mason (canon 2337 of the new Codex, backed up by the Encyclical "Quaesitum Est signed by Ratzinger in 1983)

Anyhow... on to peak Oil. it's not true. Simple as that. Oil is worth at best $2 a barrel - and only then until we find a richer cheaper source of energy (which exists - it'll just be a while before us naked apes find it).


We are on the cusp of a technological change which will make the discovery of fire, the wheel and the steam engine, look like a bump in the road. Ten years, at most. As Turing once said - if it takes ten years to make something under existing technology, but five years to invent a technology that will enable the same thing to be built in TWO years, one should start on the new technology as a matter of priority.

Now, imagine something which enables finished goods to be manufactured at a rate of 1kg/microsecond - a million-fold improvedment over our current manufacture. the technology exists (in theory) and all that is required is the tools to realise it (which also exist, mostly in theory at present).


THAT is what powerful people fear - the levelling of humanity (albeit at a MUCH higher level of consumption). These folks would rather have GDP at its current size but shifting towards them, than GDP a million times as alrge but with them at the same level as everyone else.


Something to think about - I think about it for a couple of minutes a day (nobody can possibly think much more than that - not PROPERLY).

Fraternally,



GT
France.

12/01/2006 09:58:00 AM  
Anonymous St. Ignatius Loyola said...

i disagree, GT. it's not the jesuits, it's the jews.

peace,

iggy

12/01/2006 10:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

Just a couple points before I go back to lurker status again (going through one of those phases where I have trouble buying my own BS):

I'd say it's a safe bet that it isn't "The" Jews, or "The" Jesuits, or "The" Masons, or any other large, diverse group of people, that is grasping at the puppet strings. I'd say it's an equally safe bet that there are individual members of all of those groups, and an almost infinite number of others, that are.

Regarding PO: It's my opinion (un-expert, seeing as how I'm neither a petroleum engineer nor a geologist), that hydrocarbons may very well be both biotic and abiotic. Frankly, it doesn't really matter, though, if we're using it more quickly than it's replaced. Not to mention the fact that the burning of oil and coal in the quantities that we do is suicidal regardless.

I also get a bit wary of the quest for 'Free Energy', more appropriately, New Energy. I think I've commented before that limitless access to clean energy could be catastrophic if mixed with our current cultural trajectory. I don't know, perhaps if people didn't have to worry so much about where their next meal was coming from, or if the heat would stay on in the middle of winter, they wouldn't be so eager to consume everything in their path.

Lots of good comments from everyone as of late. Spurred on, as ever, by Jeff's compelling posts.

12/01/2006 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think iggy was being sarcastic, Lupo. Otherwise, good points.

12/01/2006 11:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

I sort of wondered about the sarcasm from Iggy, but it's hard to tell nowadays. In precarious times (and when are they not) the lines between satire and reality can get a little blurry.

12/01/2006 11:42:00 AM  
Blogger Tsoldrin said...

Woof. I had no idea these insane peakers would flood like this. I don't think I've seen such rabid devotion (without sense) since the Pod Theory, or the Bush Election.

Look here knuckleheads, besides the fact that we have barely tapped into oil at this point, and we're getting better at sucking it out of the ground all the time, there is unlimited energy out there, all around us.

We're sitting on a spinning planet with floating continents, with a gigantic satelite orbiting our little planet, both planet and moon are circling the sun AND absorbing massive amouunts of its radiant energy. Earth, Moon and Sun are all orbiting the galactic core and all of these bodies, besides circling and revolving around eachother, while spinning, at the same time, are exploding outward at an absolutely unimaginable speed.

Any fraction of any part of this energy being harnessed would take care of all the human consumption of energy for generations.

There is and never was any energy shortage. It's all busy work to keep us occupied until there is a very real and very scary shortage of both habital areas and water.

Those who thought ahead and have snapped up these resourses will have control over every living being when the time comes. There will be no global war or mass detentions, there's no need, there will only be attrition and compliance.

Sorry.

12/01/2006 11:47:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

monkeygrinder & owlindaylight,

Dude-persons, I wasn't straw-manning or slamming youse twos at all--I was merely pointing to some of the voices in the Peak crowd. I don't know that I've even read anything you guys have written, unless it was over at Big Gav's, where I only intermittently attend. I realize that my criticisms of the "movement" (if it can even be called such) are harsh, but so is the truth of the deception into which they have been played. Here's the whole thing, in the smallest unit: there are viable alternatives to petroleum and the petroleum "crisis". This means that those who kept incessantly telling us to build our bunkers and give up trying were either misinformed but well-intended, or despairing like Denethor, or even in on the swindle. It doesn't really matter which the case might be--the important part is that they were wrong.

This is not to say that folks like yourselves and Big Gav haven't done good work--awareness of environmental and energy issues is essential to conversion away from this sick model. As far as Ruppert goes, I can't imagine what he has possibly done to either educate me or make the world a better place. 9/11? The CIA and drugs? Far better writers have described those obvious realities before he ever "dedicated himself" to the task. Not that it matters, but he's a pompous, self-promoting windbag who spread more fear than truth. That's what he'll be remembered as.

Big Gav,
You're a sane voice in a level head--must be that Australian thing. All my contacts there seem to be bright, well-informed, and strangely cheerful (well, except for the Aussies pushing each other around in shopping carts while singing drunken odes at four in the morning in the mud of the Camping-Platz near the Munich Oktoberfest I unexpectedly found myself at in '88.) At any rate, keep up the good work, and don't mind our minders, as they're not really minding the store anyway.

Whole Earth population bomb defused and Monsanto's chagrin were great, whoever posted that stuff.

GeoffreyTransom,
Awesome techno-wave material--are we talking Singularity in general, or nano in particular, or...? The one thing that was a bit misleading was the whole searching for strings that luposapien describes--does it really matter who the elite are, when changing the stage they manipulate is the goal (which will make them irrelevant in the end)?

Luposapien,
But what if those habits were changed along with the model? For an example, if you lived in a house like this, would you still buy environmentally unsustainable pink flamingoes to "plant" on your "lawn"? My point is that the ripple effect of this kind of change is going drive consumerism to extinction, instead of us.

12/01/2006 11:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Luposapien said...

IC, No flamingos for me, I'm more of a lawn-gnome kinda guy.

Really, though, don't get me wrong, my hopes are very much in line with yours. I'm not nearly as pessimistic as I most likely come accross in my comments here.

Been keeping an eye on your Tomorrow Today blog, though I haven't commented much. I've forwarded a few of the eco-tecture links on to my wife. She's in the process of reading Lord of the Rings for the first time, so I figured now is as good a time as any to start lobbying for a Hobbit Hole.

12/01/2006 02:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Free energy - or even very cheap energy - is a nighmare.

Imagine that tomorrow, we would have a mysterious ‘free’ energy source that would not emit CO2 or anything else noxious. Fine.

Then what? What would it be used for? To drive more cars, build more roads, drive more tractors, send ships chugging, space rockets? Build more and more houses? Light up concrete block cities, a blaze in the night? Create more lethal arms, make millions of tanks?

Where would the primary materials - fertile soil, water, the greenery, earth that supports food production; oceans with their fish proteins; minerals such as copper, uranium, and so on - oil itslelf, present in thousands of prducts - come from?

All these are not inexhaustible either. In fact many are scarce today. Presumably, they would not be provided along with the ‘free energy’ package.

One can’t drive about in a powerful sports car if the people who make it starve and if the earth can’t manage to provide the materials necessary for the building of it, such as minerals and oil, to make plastic etc.

Free energy would turn the world into a wasteland, immediately. Some might argue that is already a done deal.

Sheila

12/01/2006 03:32:00 PM  
Blogger Spooked said...

IMMINENT PEAK OIL, as promoted by Ruppert, is clearly bogus, and one has to wonder exactly how Ruppert got himself brainwashed by that cult.

The phenomenon of peak oil, however, is real, and I think the evidence that oil supplies are finite, or at least finitely capturable, is strong. But I think it is a bit silly to worry about oil running out in the near future. I am reasonably optimisitc that the world's population won't die out because of a peak oil crash. On the other hand, I think global warming is a fairly serious issue-- though I'm sure many here think it is another scam.

12/01/2006 05:36:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Well, Sheila, when Prometheus gave us fire the first time, he did realize that man could really burn his weenies (to paraphrase Uncle Frank), but he thought responsibility might not be such a bad idea of the species, either. What is your position/worldview, anyway? First you ridicule the idea that the oil companies (and corporations in general) are anything but benevolent big brothers, fairies of the free market, and then you panic over having a newer, sharper knife in the drawer. I do appreciate the Luddites's effort, and their commune even more, but there's also the possibility of using our intelligence for something other than designing abbatoirs, you know?

Tell you what. If this vision thing is scary for you (and there are very valid reasons why your cautionary tale is well-taken), try this future on for size. After the flash animation, you have to navigate to the "problem zone," sort of in the middle of the picture, beneath the volcano-looking thing, I think. At any rate, they do address the dangers as well as the promise of zero-point energy. As a matter of perspective, were we really all that safe all these years with starkly-raving lunatics like Lyman bloody
Lemnitzer, Richard Nixon, and Ronald "the-trees-are-polluting-the-environment" Reagan ogling the glowing button?

12/01/2006 05:44:00 PM  
Blogger Spooked said...

FWIW, Ruppert turned me onto 9/11 skepticism, and I was a fan of his in 2004. However, I was a rather disappointed by "Crossing the Rubicon"-- a poorly focused effort that seem to confuse more than it enlightened. For a while, I bought into Ruppert's philosophy of not looking at the physical evidence of 9/11, but then I thankfully saw the light. I think the approach of ignoring the 9/11 physical evidence is one of the biggest ruses put out by not only Ruppert but by people like the host here, Mr. Wells.

It is one thing to say that one doesn't have the expertise to analyze some physical evidence, but people like Wells and Ruppert have gone out of their way to denigrate physical evidence.

In the case of something like the 2nd plane gliding into the south tower of the WTC, it is really common sense-- planes don't enter buildings in a indestructible manner and then disintegrate only once inside. Have Ruppert or Wells once noted the incredible strange lack of debris at the flight 93 crash site? On the other hand, I'm willing to bet that Wells and Ruppert have put out the disinfo line that the plane was shot down rather than mentioning the odd lack of plane debris in Shanskville.

Massive 110 story steel-framed towers simply don't turn into dust in 10 seconds from a natural collapse.

The simple fact is that the physical evidence of 9/11 is incredibly striking and convincing in terms of disproving the official story.

Thus, I think it is natural, even if not entirely fair, to wonder about the agenda of people who go out of their way to support the official 9/11 plane crash story and at the same time, vehemently tell people to ignore the physical evidence of 9/11.

12/01/2006 05:52:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

This false expression that we call culture, is set up such that most people reach after baubles, dangled by authority figures in the hope of climbing a few steps up some hierarchical legitimacy-establishing scam. So of course allot of resources are consumed quite uselessly, as their products become the measure of ones stature.

Some day lots of people will see the common sense in thinking that more accurate representations of reality will enable more effective use of resources, while lower fixed costs will reduce tendencies to go into debt to the ‘man’. And because this more accurate representation of reality is mostly a mind thing anyway, it may even help –(GASP)—people to learn to think for themselves, untapping the other 99% of human potential.

Yes, it may be dangerous, so (all you material realists) go stick your head in the sand, pull it out two years later, and you can let us know how comfortable you have been.

12/01/2006 07:29:00 PM  
Anonymous tmb said...

The problem with the "physical evidence" appears in many jury trials. . . it becomes a "battle of the experts" - - arguing against each other while the majority of the public yawns. (This happens in all medical malpractice trials where regardless of how terrible the malpractice there will always be an expert from a top notch medical school with golden credentials to testify under oath that there was no deviation in the required standard of care . . . ).

The question of Mohamed Atta's well witnessed wild life in Venice, Florida, snorting coke with strippers and hanging out with German, and other, big time drug dealers and "intelligence" assets as documented by Investigative Journalist Daniel Hopsicker, and a very few others mirroring his work, provides a clear window for people to see that this "terror" attack was never as represented in the mainstream media and portrayed by the FBI and the government and that there is a massive "drug" link . . . The fact that the mainstream media will not even touch this material but are willing to publicize the other 911 "physical evidence" arguments tells you all you need to know as to what area of research the PTB fear the most. Hint: It is not the "physical evidence" arguments that are going on and will continue to go on with no result as long as the Kennedy assassination physical evidence arguments have been ongoing . . . . People who point this out are not "disinformation agents" they just have some clue as to how things work in reality vs. wishing it was otherwise . . . .

12/01/2006 08:06:00 PM  
Anonymous chris said...

Thanks for the info on peak oil; it seems pretty simple, though: current production can't keep pace and tapping reserves (oil shale, tar sands, bitumen, etc.) is very expensive, so oil "prices" need to come up so that the oil companies can write off the money needed to sink into development and production of the harder-to-reach oil.

Clearly, the deck is stacked; so it seems that local control and ownership of any "new", viable energy sources is key, so that the current most powerful interests don't co-opt new energy to maintain their "gross" profits by squeezing the vulnerable/limiting supply (perhaps this is too simple, but every time I see an environmentally friendly BP commercial I don't know whether to think it's just a PR move or a move to control the new energy...probably both, i guess).

maybe it sounds naive, but the political route still seems the most viable in terms of taking regulatory control away from those concerned with dominating the energy market.

on another note: i'm not trying to be a fear-monger nor imply anything, but isn't it pretty much fact that world population is still growing fairly rapidly, regardless of below-replacement levels in western europe and japan? don't africa and parts of asia/sub-continent contribute huge numbers and impressive growth rates?

Great link to GW's national security archive. Too bad more of the general public at the time were not aware of the sheer insanity of the late '50s/early '60s SIOPs. While it can be argued that Kennedy was a hawk in some ways, it is clear that he took much power away from the Air Force/Navy relative nuclear weapons use. He pissed a lot of people off: Lemay, Paul Nitza, Lemnitzer, CIA/Bay of Pigs/the sound and rational deal reached with Soviets by removing Jupiter missiles from Turkey, on and on...while defense budgets increased under Kennedy, it really sucks that his movement toward a sane and humane foreign policy was cut short.

How to overcome the institutionalization of the national security farce? the pentagon is asking for a record $100 billion (at least) for Iraq and who knows what else in the latest grab-bag. more supplemental appropriations and a still-compliant Congress:

"We're not going to do anything to limit funding or cut off funds," says Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061130/ap_on_go_co/funding_iraq

wasn't there an anti-war sentiment expressed in the november elections? do anti-war types actually have to do more than vote? shit, i don't know if i've got the time...

12/01/2006 08:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

French guy says:

"We are on the cusp of a technological change which will make the discovery of fire, the wheel and the steam engine, look like a bump in the road."

Yes.

Here's some interesting links for you to visually research Tesla from documentaries that exist from this link:

VIDEO demonstration of blueprints

This is a collection of videos available on the internet, related to a free energy device called the 'Joe Cell' and background on Tesla forms of technology/electrical phenomena connected with high frequency "cold electricity" that have entirely different properties than lower frequency "hot electricity"

Seriously. Tesla was onto a completely different technological complex by the 1890s built from different physical properties of electricity under different conditions. This bleeds into a 'door' into zero point issues quite quickly. How's that for a gross oversimplification that everyone longs for?

Background on Stanley Meyer, from my light reading and heavy watching.

Stanley Meyer was presumably murdered in 1998. Below is a video interview of him from 1995 British documentary. He had many international patents on this "split water engine" (high frequency electrical phenomena into zero point energy access) process. With the video below being from 1995, there is of course nothing about his presumed murder in 1998 in the video, though only listen to his foreboding litany of threats, and him even turning down "1 billion dollars to stop production" from certain "Arabs," he said. It's funny that he really seemed to think that "Arabs" controlled the world's oil, when it is far different than that. (Read _A Century Of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order_, by F. William Engdahl; link to www.amazon.com )

Stanley Meyer was soon after jailed on trumped up charges of "fraud" in Ohio in 1996, even though he had demonstrated the "split water engine" principles and patented his version personally to the U.S. patent office and received dozens of international patents as well! I guess "fraud in Ohio" can mean anything you want--particularly when Meyer is clearly a clean energy heresy to a polluted and corrupt Ohio political scene--run by despicable oil companies and hyperrich families acting like an Ohio mafia. They are really attempting to kill this off. Though since zero point is available anywhere at anytime as a phenomena or effect of low amp low watt high frequency, it's virtually impossible. In the fine state of corrupt Ohio, Meyer was found "guilty of fraud." It is rare for an inventor to be prosecuted for an invention that does not work, but Meyer's problem was that it did work--and he was cutting out the oil companies' "oil-dedicated" engines out of their monopoly on energy supplies for transportation.

Some claim (on disinfo websites) that "Meyer refused to allow anyone else to measure his device," which is untrue because he held multiple patents and demonstrated it (see the 1995 video below) to British Rutherford Laboratory physicists, as well as the U.S. Patent offices, and dozens of other countries to their satisfaction to give him a patent.

Meyer is dead by early 1998.

First, thrown in jail on a trumped up charge for successfully building water powered cars and then he was starting to successfully POPULARIZE THEM by going to car dealerships and making deals to supply them or car converts to dealers directly.

This same point of teaching and mass marketing is when "they" started to come after Bill Williams--recently in April 2006 as well.

Popularizing the lack of requirement to pollute the world with oil as an energy choice is a beautiful heresy.

Stanley Meyer and Bill Williams are martyrs for the cause.

Stanley Meyer is dead, though long lives Stanley Meyer: the zero point lives on--and always will.



watch these in order, ALL ON WATER ENGINES (which are high frequency/zero point access phenomena--cold electricity might be some form of zero point energy morphing into 'tangible electricity'). No one really has much information on 'cold electricity' except Peter Lindeman's videos and other experimenters below:


[A] PART ONE:
CHANGE THE ENGINE AND CHANGE THE FUEL
runs from "straight water" though, in much different engines. In Stanley Meyer, he created a "split water engine", splitting the H20 (water) with zero point excitation for virtual free at high frequency and with virtually zero heat exhaust. He then burned hydrogen in the oxygen atmosphere (for that is what split water is), with a waste of mere water vapor. (By the way, you could feasibly even link up the water vapor exhaust and cycle it back through a condenser, and split it once more and burn it twice (or thrice, or as many times as you want! over and over! Never fill up your tank except once...) Just an idea folks...


scientific discussions

Stanley Meyer's "split water engine" ; another similar device is a zero point excitation to create a hot water pump virtually immediately giving boiling water without much thermodynamic-in-origin energy requirement; etc. This is demonstrated here as well as Stanley Meyer's interview and technology for accessing zero point through high frequency as well:

1. Equinox - It Runs on Water (BBC, Free Energy - 1995)
50 min 18 sec - Apr 17, 2006
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2464139837181538044

scientific discussions (mere excerpt of the above video, nothing novel to see in it, just an excerpt of Stanley Meyer along and his version of the water engine, in the BBC documentary):

2. Water Car Inventor Murdered
16 min 29 sec - Apr 8, 2006
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3333992194168790800


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extra zero point scientific discussions (you could skip these at this point if you want to get to part two [B] below, though I would recommend these, WATCH IN THIS ORDER, it may help, as well.)

Nikola Tesla: The Life and Times of a Forgotten Genius part 1 of 2
New Vision Enterprises
16 min 52 sec - Mar 21, 2006
link to video.google.com

Nikola Tesla: The Life and Times of a forgotten Genius part 2 of 2
New Vision Enterprises
15 min 37 sec - Mar 21, 2006
link to video.google.com

Nikola Tesla - The Genius Who Lit the World
The Tesla Memorial Society
42 min 11 sec - Apr 9, 2006
link to video.google.com

Tesla -- Tom Bearden Interview on Tesla (Bearden of course diagrees with many on the "power from the ionosphere" assumptions of many about Tesla (which you will hear repeated ad infinitum through most of these videos) and for what its worth I think he's correct. Tesla's power was from zero point and had to do with high frequency excitation of space 'ripping' open zero point energy "from the vacuum" as is it called, instead of somehow being drawn from the ionosphere. (The high frequency 'ripped space' so to speak, Tesla could feel the effects as spatial disruption effects it is noted in the videos, instead of something to do with air waves or with electricity shocks! His electrical applications seem to have 'arc' connections there to tap onto the zero point)
1 hr 23 min 31 sec - Apr 13, 2006
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3179563077694383295

Tesla - the missing secrets of Nikola Tesla (weather control, HAARP, chemtrails, etc. and such issues, bioelectricity and entraining mental states, etc. lots here will mistakenly talk as if Tesla was tapping ionosphere, which Tom Bearden would disageee with.)
46 min 25 sec - Mar 4, 2006
link to video.google.com

Tesla Inventions "in an unparalleled 8 years of invention, from 1890 to 1898, Tesla achieved AC current, though the rest of his life, AC was already accomplished, it was of no further interest to him; he became interested in high frequency, and he changed the world a second, a third, and a fourth time"...by beginning to work on it (all water engines you see above are based on this style of "Teslarian" effects of low amp low watt high frequency that went "black boxed" by the 1930s onward...to keep oil corporations in power; excellent visual demonstrations; covers in more detail some of the ground in those above, though with additions that they leave out--high frequency medicine and potential nuclear fusion 'bottle' issues, cheap and clean at high frequency; see video excerpts of truly largest tesla coil in the world, at around 25 million volts--larger than Tesla's in 1898-9--at a derelict Utah airbase where a Yugoslavian "neo-Teslarian" is attempting to reproduce some of Tesla's phenomena noted in his Colorado Springs Notebooks concerning ball lightening. Ball lighting is anticipated to create the dual high frequency and high energy containment pressure contexts for a nuclear fusion 'bottle' that would be much cheaper than existing technologies for it and the ONLY video I've ever seen a clear discussion of the "woodpecker grid" and mental entraining discussion that started up in 1976, likely related to weather warfare entraining of scalar waves that Tom Bearden's video above got into.) [See what I mean by my suggestion to watch these in order]
30 min 36 sec - BBC Apr 5, 2006
link to video.google.com

Holes in Heaven? H.A.A.R.P.
Randol-Smith
51 min - Jan 1, 2002
link to video.google.com

Angels don't play this HAARP
Dr. Nick Begich
1 hr 36 min 46 sec - Mar 3, 2006
link to video.google.com

Jerry Smith - HAARP (BBLC 2005)
51 min 19 sec - Apr 7, 2006
link to video.google.com

Owning the Weather
neverknwo.gnn.tv
45 min 38 sec - May 18, 2006
link to video.google.com

BRILLIANT FILM!
Free Energy: The Race to Zero Point
Lightworks Audio & Video
1 hr 49 min 38 sec - Mar 21, 2006
link to video.google.com

TECHNICAL REALITY DISCUSSION, DUPLICATABLE, THEORETICAL DISCUSSION OF THE SAME EFFECTS COMMON ACROSS DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES
P. Lindemann - The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity (KeelyNet Conference)
Clear Tech, Inc.
2 hr 51 min 49 sec - Apr 9, 2006
link to video.google.com
[You're being spoon fed--be thankful. That is a damn rare video. I have a physical copy, and someone else put it on the web.]

Peter Lindemann - The World of Free Energy (KeelyNet Conference)
Clear Tech, Inc.
1 hr 59 min 30 sec - Apr 9, 2006
link to video.google.com

N. Wootan - History of The E.V. Gray Motor (Free Energy - KeelyNet Conference)
Clear Tech, Inc.
1 hr 53 min 47 sec - Apr 9, 2006
link to video.google.com
[Wootan reputedly was forced to flee for his life after one conference like this in the 1990s...]

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[B] PART TWO, NEXT, DIFFERENT THAN [A] (go back and read it):
CHANGE FUEL ONLY, USE EXISTING GASOLINE ENGINE
runs on "excitated" water, in typical gasoline engine. In other words they are NOT splitting water via zero point excitation and burning hydrogen in an oxygen atmosphere (like Stanley Meyer). Instead they burn "excitated" water directly. Watch them drink the water fuel they pour in the tank! This may be the same as what was occurring in [A] above or it may be different...it's certainly a different technological package, though its the same issue of fuel: water engines. However, it is "direct water engines" from "adjusted water" unlike Stanley Meyer's zero point high energy "split water engine" (water-to-hydrogen) engine, or others' engines.

In laymen terms, watch the water itself burn.

"Excitated water" as the patent in the next video:

Next guy keeps secret on the process of treating water which is being patented in his version, (and he says the U.S. Department of Defense has visited him in New Zealand as well). Frankly you can see it's the same abstract variables involved in the processing of the water--as in #3 or in #5 below; in this #3 video, note the officious bald pinheaded academic looking out of his depth and sort of silly on camera since no one is asking him about his priestcraft specialties in thermodynamics and he he desperate to apply them outside where they frankly fail to apply (particularly when you watch #1 first, he comes across, over ten years later (he's had time to learn--and failed to do so!), as extremely naive and uninformed; that is why one should watch #1 above first; in #1 above, American NASA and other academics are far more sober and even scared about the political mafia implications of murdered inventors due to the oil majors politics when virtually "free" non-thermodynamic origins of energy are available all the time. Even Arthur C. Clarke is excited in this video. That is why you should view #1 first.

3.
60 Minutes Programme, NZ water motorbike.rm
Size: 53.9 MB
Uploaded at: 14:25, 26.04.2006.
approx 20 min.
link to www.gigagone.com

Others are more open about treating water with some form of zero point excitation than that man above. In the below, frankly, ignore what she says describing it in the video below, and WATCH what she's doing.

First, her "classical" demonstration of group shock from the water. Why I say classical, is that it is the same experiment done over 200 years ago. In the early 1700s, it was done in France with several hundred monks all linked hand in hand. This was in an era where they wanted to see whether electricity was instananeous or delayed in its transmission shock, just how fast it was; as we know--and they found out--it was virtually instantaneous since all the monks yelped at the same time down the line when the one on the end was shocked. Only in this "excitated water" version, there is nothing metal involved, only processed water. Though the guy on the end touches it, and all the people linked hand in hand with him yelp simultaneously just the same.

4. Etheric Fire Shocks Group - Free Energy
1 min 4 sec - May 9, 2006
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4444249412739229513

Same woman in #4 and #5, her processing of the water revealed (similar to the NZ man--like #3) above

5. Charging Water - Free Energy
48 sec - May 9, 2006
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-640076715535335486

Yet another identical physical processing of the water (compare, basically identical to #3, #5) and a burn video of "excitated" water

Similar processing of water in #6 as in #3 and #5.

6. Baron New Energy introduction video (Joe Cell)
Baron New Energy
8 min 25 sec - Apr 19, 2006
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2385750951725931938

one Aussie guys quipps with an increduolous look on his face, "[somewhere] to Brisbane on a cup and a half of water..."

And in #7, same processing of water abstractly in #6, as in #3 and #5.

7.
Joe Cell Engine Running On Water 1 of 2
http://joecell.cloud.prohosting.com/
2 min 2 sec - May 9, 2006
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6929526415703687515

8.
Joe Cell Running An Engine on Water 2 of 2
http://joecell.cloud.prohosting.com/
2 min 5 sec - May 9, 2006
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2904066410644968383


PLANS, VIDEO DEMONSTRATIONS OF THE BUILD OR ENGINE ACTION, ETC.

tons of videos:
http://joecell.cloud.prohosting.com/

particularly these at the above link:

Ringorgone the Movie (2006)
http://ringorgone.bravehost.com/movies.html

Description:

Ringo has filmed every stage from cell assembly, installation, "orgone" (zero point) accumulator jacket, figure eight, sea salt scum, alkaline water, press fit cone, blind plug etc. This movie is still a work in progress.

Stream (Google):

01 - Assembly
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2277641909120654619
02 - Installation
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1819072057194837056
03 - Testing Magnetism of Stainless
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5889531862955531176
04 - Magnetism of Press Fit Cone
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6638093134719889987
05 - Press Fit Cone Outlet
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=461806414277530078
06 - Press Fit Cone Outlet 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8726194413342856169
07 - First Charge Rain Water
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5270343639569544654
08 - Blind Plug location
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4595748894656559170
09 - Install Blind Plug
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7655204925403507136
10 - Conduit Template
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2701091619206786818

11 - Bush to Fire Wall
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2209421676738548690
12 - In Situ
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2155014869415385067
13 - "Orgone" Accumulator Jacket 1 [i.e., here we get into non-thermodynamics/zero point issues]
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2496865272499746517
14 - Orgone Accumulator Jacket 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9098300471141686188
15 - Orgone Accumulator Jacket 3
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3838565406014761225
16 - Figure Eight
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5102403672678818862
17 - Sea Salt Scum
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4365551585326456827
18 - Strong Figure Eight
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4747156670817142441
19 - Bang
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5699580550039604053
20 - Alkaline Charged Water
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5708382177842362702

You can download it all in one 273MB zipped file if you want as well
Download:
archive.org, 267 MB ftp://ia301119.us.archive.org/3/items/ringorgone/Ringorgone_the_movie_1-20.zip
The waterengine.com http://www.thewaterengine.com/joecell/ringo.htm is hosting the files in DivX format.

WITH DOCUMENTED THREATS AND BRIBE ATTEMPTS TO STANLEY MEYER (NOW DEAD) AND TO BILL WILLIAMS, BEWARE DISINFO:

Only to compare, and to beware: below is a disinfo/repression site on the subject. I've already to my satisfaction noted his lies about Stanley Meyer and his irrelevant attempts to "attack the messenger" and get off track from Meyer's patents which he fails to even mention!--a true disinformationist (strategies of belittling, attacking the individual, and with selective evidence to boot, is all he does!). I wonder which oil company funds this guy to be so thorough and so full of lies and outright hostility? He should talk to more sober NASA connected discussions of propulsionists on the subject (in that 1995 BBC video, #1 above). Or, on the other hand, he might be NASA on the subject--conducting last ditch disinformation before we all have zero point energy cars, turbines, etc. springing up all over the place. He is unable to even spell "fact" (phact) right. :-)

http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html

EDITOR'S NOTE: Much of what is described above in terms of water engines are linking it visibly (technologically) to "traditional" thermodynamic engine blocks. However, note that the phenomena in question that is being tweaked is in origin non-thermodynamic.

This allows the misinterpretation and appearance of "over-unity" which is discussed throughout many of these. However, this is really without violating over-unity because the energy is still being conserved. The energy is only coming from outside of thermodynamics, and then placed into thermodynamic engines, which are then (wrongly) interpreted as "over-unity". That is one big mental hurdle in the descriptions I have seen about this. It is only being used as a different input into thermodynamic technology. It's not "free energy," physically speaking. It's coming from somewhere. It's simply being tapped and misinterpreted as a thermodynamic system, when these descriptions of technology above are visible hybrids of a "thermodynamic/zero point" engine technology.

The low watt low amp very high frequency (that rips open energy from the zero point) is being injected into traditional thermodynamic "cloaked" technologies. That's what's going on. It's not "over-unity". That is a thermodynamics specific term. It's zero point being imported into a thermodynamics system and into "old looking" Boulton-Watt era heritage of thermodynamics technology.

Save the world. Have fun. Crash oil energy imperialism all at once.

Forget Peak Oil and Forget Veg Oil. Go Water Engine.

[active links here]


You could probably lock yourself in the room this weekend with the computer and emerge by Monday a changed person if you watched all the videos above. Do it.

12/01/2006 09:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from soulsurvivor -
There are no answers. The US Government is continually transitioning government services over to contracts funded by the drug trade, consumers, and special interest groups. Anything, anything, that comes under the heading of "government" has to be seen for what it really is - a corporate initiative. Unfold this concept over the global planet, and that's what we're facing in this reality. You can fight people, kill people, but try doing same to the corporate system.

On my good days, I ignore all things corporate.

12/01/2006 09:50:00 PM  
Blogger plectic said...

Off topic I know..

"The Anti-Terror Group is examining whether the killers of Alexander Litvinenko also tried to poison Mario Scaramella, an Italian security expert who met the Russian exile on the day that he fell ill.

Toxicologists confirmed yesterday that Mr Scaramella had also been contaminated by a “significant” amount of deadly polonium-210. The level leads them to suspect that it was more than he could have ingested from simple physical contact with Litvinenko.

Radiological experts also say that the amount is more than he could have inhaled from being close to Litvinenko had he coughed or sneezed. Cobra, the Government’s emergency planning committee, met after learning of Mr Scaramella’s contamination."



time article

12/01/2006 09:51:00 PM  
Blogger monkeygrinder said...

Tsoldrin:
Sounds like a great business plan you have there. Show me.

CuttleFish:
Big Gav is cheerful and level headed, in the same way I am acerbic and satirical. And so it goes for the peak crowd. Scientists, mystics, and sure the odd doomer here and there. I object to your sweeping generalizations; rather than us continue a showboating debate, if you want to learn more drop me a line anytime.

One thing I will add - Big Gav is absolutely right about sitemeter. The powers that be don't even bother covering their tracks. It is amusing when on the one hand I get accused of being a plant or a shill, and meanwhile the *** from virginia or halliburton or the air force is sniffing my cyber ass.

One more thing.

To the plant, or shill who keeps recommending Dave McGowan as the key to peak oil, PUHLEEZE.

Read my blog. It is WAY better. Gav's too. We're looking to extend the franchise into Asia and South America, if anyone is interested.

12/01/2006 09:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lots of those Tesla vids are gone (alas--particularly the Bearden one), gone gone already... Search for the titles by themselves (if someone reposted them elsewhere after they were deleted).

12/01/2006 10:28:00 PM  
Blogger brisa said...

I cannot say that I have the intellectual depth to argue with those who have posted previously, but it seems obvious to me that it matters not how much oil is left in the ground or locked up in shale or tar sands. What matters is now fast it can be extracted and processed. Oil demand continues to grow steadily, fueling economic growth and growth in production is not keeping pace.

Does not our economic system depend upon unending growth? Surely the earth has a carrying capacity with regard to fossil fuel use. The unreal changes in the actions of our government with regard to international law and previously signed treaties indicate to me that the old rules no longer apply. If the official narrative of the 911 atrocity is a fairy tale (and I think the evidence indicates that it is) why would they do it/allow it to happen?

Why the authoritarian changes in how our government is treating US citizens? Why the FEMA detention camps? Citizen surveillance? Limiting habeous corpus? Gutting Posse Comitatus? Fiscal insanity? Sythetic terror? Unverifyable voting methods?

Something must be coming down the pike that the government anticipates will trigger widespread civil unrest and they are poised to use decidedly undemocratic methods to control it.

As far as free energy is concerned, when was the last time an F-18 wasn't powered by hydrocarbon fuel. If a "free energy" alternative was practical, wouldn't the military be using it?

12/01/2006 10:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

Monkeygrinder, found this on your blog:

"Hey, we need five million americans to learn how to farm organically, and distribute their product locally. Grants, education and housing will be provided for those undertaking this vital service. Meanwhile, we are cutting off all welfare to Archer Daniels Midland."

Brilliant.

12/01/2006 11:25:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

By all means, follow Oarwell's example and go to monkeygrinder's blog--cool thoughts abound.

Brisa,
There are other ways of looking at the puzzle. When you speak of demand and unending, irrational growth, for example, isn't it possible that demand could be drastically reduced using available technologies (see links in previous posts), and yet it isn't...because someone likes things this way? You're right, conspicuous consumption has morphed into earth-killingly immoral consumer gluttony, but again...does it have to be this way? Why is it that we used to build refrigerators that lasted for fifty years, when nowadays they only last five? Late-stage, cannibal capitalism has dug in its claws.

On the free energy in military jets thing--that would make it just a little hard to keep in the bag, wouldn't it?

12/02/2006 12:18:00 AM  
Blogger nunnatsunega said...

Jeff...

Wish you would "give in" and do an interview with the redice guys...

Peace, Nunnatsunega

12/02/2006 05:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Myself, Panicked by newer, sharper knives?

iridescent, I guess I’m not expressing myself well.

Nice site (your link.)

I’m naturally all for healing the earth. I’m not a physicist so not qualified to discuss zero-point energy.

As for corporations, to do anything about them besides howling (and lets not forget that they bring the bread to the table for many American / Western/ other citizens, including those for ex. who have pensions or are on Medicare) one has to, first of all, see them for what they are, and that doesn’t mean ‘balancing the negative with the positive’ or anything like that, as my parenthesis would seem to imply. It means attaining some understanding -mine obviously being imperfect- of the complex human-eco system we have slowly built up. Oil companies main characteristics, in that view, are: a) an extractive industry, exploiting resources created by the sun and photosynthesis through billions of years; b) a highly technological enterprise, that relies on a myriad of other human efforts, creations, artifacts; c) corporations that operate in a ‘free market’ system - naturally it is not free but highly regulated and intimately tied to banking and a capitalistic world frame...I could go on, you get the point. Despising oil companies (not that I impute that unique simple attitude to you or any particular person, I was referring to a general low-level mantra that is quite prevalent) is perhaps a start, a critical and skeptical eye are positive stances; but it’s a beginning only.

Concerning ‘alternative’ (new inventions, Tesla, etc.) energy I’m a hard headed empirist (classical science) functionally, a pragmatist, and epistemologically, a constructivist. So in my mind, there is no magic bullet, or, more precisely, I consider it unlikely there is one as I cannot myself imagine it at present. We hold what we know (conservation, geo-thermal, ‘clean’ coal, and so on), though doors always remain open, the future is imponderable in many ways.

In any case, in my view, responses to such systemic problems are, or need to be, in large part political (including economics) rather than primarily material.

Sheila

12/03/2006 05:45:00 AM  
Anonymous humblenotry said...

This place in history. October 24, 2000. Michael Ruppert's From The Wilderness, Vol. III, No. 8.

Halliburton Corporation's Brown and Root is one of the major components of THE BUSH-CHENEY DRUG EMPIRE.

The success of Bush Vice Presidential running mate Richard Cheney at leading Halliburton, Inc. to a five year $3.8 billion "pig-out" on federal contracts and taxpayer-insured loans is only a partial indicator of what may happen if the Bush ticket wins in two weeks. A closer look at available research, including an August 2, 2000 report by the Center for Public Integrity (CPI) at www.public-i.org, suggests that drug money has played a role in the successes achieved by Halliburton under Cheney's tenure as CEO from 1995 to 2000. This is especially true for Halliburton's most famous subsidiary, heavy construction and oil giant, Brown and Root. A deeper look into history reveals that Brown and Root's past as well as the past of Dick Cheney himself, connect to the international drug trade on more than one occasion and in more than one way.

At this same time in history Alex Jones on his radio talk show was encouraging his listeners to vote for George Bush and Dick Cheney. Which Jones did. The Texan Jones did not vote for Bush out of ignorance. No sir. He shared all the knowledge about the Skull and Bones and knew about Prescott and the evil Cheney during this time in his journalistic career. So why did Jones encourage his listeners to vote Bush? ???

12/03/2006 05:57:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Sheila,
I still don't quite get it. Now you make it seem as though corporations are some sort of naturally, even blindly evolving (accreting?) organism devoid of intent, morality or responsiblity and that we might as well be complaining about the formation of the Rocky Mountain range...Despite the "complexity" of the associations ("nefarious web" would be an equally useful term) of these corporations, it is not an oversimplification to call them band of rapacious robber barons. It doesn't matter how many fools are toiling up their corporate ladders, they are not in business for anyone but those who prowl the boardrooms, plotting collusion, conspiracy, and murder, whether it's 1880s Chicago before the Haymarket Riots, or 1940s Germany with IBM/ITT helping Hitler keep track of his "passengers" on those special trains, or 2000 in Darth Cheney's secret energy task force meetings--they are the same, self-serving anti-democratic force that is behind the National Security State that has owned this country (officially) since 1947. They are the cancer on the body politic--the Evil Ones (no hocus pocus required).

As far as your level-headed empiricism declaring that free energy is impossible...how many level-headed scientists predicted the Industrial Revolution largely brought on by James Watts' steam engine? Do I need to cite Scientific American's reaction to Kitty Hawk (and the following five years in which they denied what the Wright Brothers were doing, because it was impossible?)

humblenotry,
Dude, I know that Ruppert wrote some things that were true, and even helpful--it's just that he never told me anything that I hadn't already either figured out on my own or gotten from some other source. I have no explanation for Alex Jones--he doesn't smell right, either.

12/03/2006 11:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's libel about Alex Jones, and empty trollbait. Prove it.

Long before 2000, Alex Jones had a history of run ins with Gov. Bush (Alex Jones was 'arrested for journalism' by Bush 'handlers'. Alex asked Bush a question about the Federal Reserve, and was physically carried out of a press conference then booked. It's unlikely that Jones is saying vote for Bush, idiot..., though the biggest lies of course are the most memorable, as disinfo people know...). Besides, Alex knew Gov. Bush had associations with Bohemian Grove long before 2001! So that's just some harmless silly troll there making up information...

You don't think Bush's U.S. is a police state? This video is Texas on Bush. Imagine Bush as President with wider powers: the Bush-Texasification of the World.

Besides, Alex Jones is clearly lumping Bush and Clinton in the same globalist masters group in this short clip long before 2000, so the troll is lying that Alex Jones supported Bush on any level.

Alex Jones gets arrested for asking George W. Bush a question
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7776047547963007354&q=Alex+Jones+arrested

12/04/2006 12:21:00 AM  
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12/05/2006 08:30:00 PM  
Blogger Da Weaz said...

Well, I can honestly say that I am not up on all the little petty gossiping that goes on within the 9/11 Truth movement, like who pissed who off and et cetera, nor do I want to be.

And I can say however that Mike does has his character flaws, and they are somewhat on display, but let's get a little fucking perspective here puhleeze.

First off, where is the fucking genuine humanity on this thread? A guy is sick, who obviously has some questions surrounding the genesis of his illnesses and you people carry on like he's talking about a common cold. The idiocy of it is how many of you say, Omigod, Mike was the first step into looking at 911 in a different light, and then you fuck him when he's down like talking about someone who's died and you're too cool to care about the protocol of not speaking ill about the dead.

I find it simply disgusting to read the tone of the threads, like you know it all, have figured it all out, et cetera. And the idea that Mike is blowing smoke up his or your asses by his Peak Oil prognostications, like you know for sure that it simply doesn't exist, that is s fiction of the oil industry shows a type of omniscience that I find both a dangerous mix of arrogance and idiocy.

Anyway, I have met, interviewed and taped or filmed both Gary Webb and Mike, so I too have some affinity with the stuff as well. And I can say that some of the things Mike said annoyed me on the heels of Gary's death, but I'll be damned if I'd take any sort of pride having a little condescending smile while another person to whom many of you claim inspired you suffers.

It is not my job to teach you manners, decency, pride or respectibility, but when you look around and ask yourself why the Left is so fucked up, don't scratch your head too long, just look in the mirror, and look at yourself with that same shit eating cheeky grin that you had when you sent these messages on this thread and hit "publish."

Whether water or oil, or environmental warming, the earth is getting fucked up. And on the main points, Mike has been 100% right. And on 911, he has been right as well. And I am not a regular here, and don't know you people from Adam, but can say that your energy would be much better spent piling on someone who is sick.

But I can say that if any of you think that Mike is a "disinfo monkey", simply put, you're just a fucking jackass.

But my comments don't differ much from owlindaylight, but he's much more polite. And yes, I would suggest that you, as he said, sift through the evidence, make informed judgments, and don't look for a messaih. Maybe that way, when people disappoint you, or you find that you disagree with them, you won't debase yourself by allowing that disappointment to drown your humanity.

Sorry.

12/06/2006 04:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Adrenal Gland said...

I bet Ruppert pulls a Michael Jordan on this and comes out of retirement.

It's all for show.

12/06/2006 02:39:00 PM  
Anonymous humblenotry said...

I was a semi regular listener to the Alex Jones shortwave radio show on Genesis Broadcasting station prior to the 2000 presidential elections. I guess if you were to ask Alex himself he might clear this up for you. He used to publicly admit often that he voted for Bush in the 2000 elections. I do not believe he has any reason to lie about this. My question is why did he vote for Bush. This knowledge may perplex some of you and I agree with iridescent cuttlefish and anyone else that this is strange indeed.

12/08/2006 10:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I was a semi regular listener to the Alex Jones shortwave radio show on Genesis Broadcasting station prior to the 2000 presidential elections."

Another odd thing worth checking out, is the "Genesis" word theme in a lot of controlled media in the U.S.:

The 'Genesis' of the Adnan Khashoggi Wing of the 9-11 Truth Movement (infiltration)
author: hopsicker with commentary

This is an interesting assortment how many of the false [or merely self-limiting and directed] 9-11 truthers like Ruppert (and surprisingly, Barry Zwicker gets later caught up in John Gray money ("Men are from Mars" book ), and John Gray money and his book's popularity came from international drug lord Kashoggi's operations). Thus below is a summary of the twisted tale of the "Genesis" of the infiltrated side of the 9-11 Truth Movement, the [many] Genesis-named operations in a convoluted money trail of Adnan Kashoggi. Kashoggi's organizations have simultaneously taken to hawking "anything that needed to be hawked" for psyop purposes from John Gray's "Men are From Mars" books (with its Kashoggi connections), to perhaps (...Hopsicker leaves this open, though it would make intuitive sense for the 'genesis' of this branch of hawking as well) various other PGI Corporation connections to Ruppert ("perhaps the largest tax fraud scam in U.S. history"), to of all things the Hale Bopp Comet Cult itself keyed off by 'false reportage' of the same 'Genesis'[-named]...network off Kashoggi. Second, there is interesting information on the SAN DIEGO and TAMPA aspects of the false flaggers--which had Kashoggi networks around them...

The main theme is the implanted artificial culture industry and its main vehicle--under Kashoggi networks? With a different 'subsidiary' for each operation, each named "Genesis" Something? Read on. "...let's begin our journey with a visit to the psy-ops murk of 'Saudi Genesis'."

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/10/348293.shtml

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