Monday, December 11, 2006

Married to the Octopus



It can kill from any distance but you never see it strike - T Bone Burnett

For a long while I resisted the Diana story by the same solipsistic rationale Noam Chomsky resists John Kennedy's: she was inconsequential to me. (As John Judge assesses Chomsky's verdicts on the murders of Kennedy and King, "it's just a function of how much you liked the guy whether he was done in by coincidence or not.") I still find her so, but her slightness of gravity is misleading, because her life and possibly her death were no more about her than my judgement of either should be about me.

If little else is certain beyond the seldom acknowledged fact that Dodi Fayed was the nephew of Adnan Khashoggi, then the late admission that the US Secret Service "was bugging her calls in the hours before she was killed" establishes beyond doubt that this was a person of interest to actors who should be persons of interest to us. It's the kind of disclosure that is usually processed by an incurious media as a fact "that will only fuel conspiracy theories," without asking even the most cursory questions that the new evidence begs, like why were the Americans bugging Diana, for how long before her fatal crash had they been doing so, and is it plausible, as alleged, that they were doing this without a nod and a wink from MI6?

Sometimes you can tell a conspiracy by the high grade of disinformation that accrues about it, including the number and quality of shadowy "renegade insiders" eager to step up, speak out and muddy the waters. For instance, former MI6 officer Richard Tomlinson claimed both driver Henri Paul and photographer James Andanson, whose white Fiat purportedly struck Diana's death car before it lost control, were employed by his agency to spy on the celebrity couple. (Paul of course died in the crash, and Andanson was found dead in the woods three years later, an apparent suicide.) Former CIA agent Oswald LeWinter tried to sell to Mohammed Al Fayed apparently forged documents that spelling out in big, block letters an alleged DIA-MI6 assassination plot. And it may even be true, but to showcase the truth within the framework of a lie is to strip its consideration of credibility. (Regarding LeWinter, Al Fayed's attorney Mark Zaid told CNN six years ago that he "was responsible for disseminating a lot of the - what's been deemed disinformation about [the October Surprise]. He has shown up in allegations that Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme was murdered, he has shown up involving allegations of the bombing of Pam Am 103, and then he showed up in this latest endeavor of his. He is quite a man of mystery.")

Another man, and another mystery, though perhaps the same conspiracy, was George Smith:

I lost my job, my house, my wife and children because it all became too much for me... Today I feel under great stress again because the establishment is mounting a campaign against me. They are very powerful and privileged and have lots of money to pay lawyers to prevent me from telling the truth.

Former soldier, and footman and valet to the royals, Smith claimed to have been raped by Prince Charles' close aide Michael Fawcett (Fawcett and Charles, said Smith, were lovers). Diana interviewed Smith and taped his allegations years before they became public - such as they did - though what happened to the tape "became a matter of considerable controversy" upon her death. In a comic act of self-policing, the Prince's senior staff investigated Smith and found his claims without merit and forced his resignation. And then, less than two years after the story broke, Smith was dead of an "unknown illness."

Diana herself was dead three years after composing a letter to her former butler, Paul Burrell, in which she said "this particular phase in my life is the most dangerous. My husband is planning 'an accident' in my car; brake failure and serious head injury." (A few weeks before the crash, the Mercedes had been stolen from the garage of the Ritz Hotel. "Police recovered the car but found that its instrumentation had been tampered with," Kenn Thomas writes in The Octopus. The limo was then reconditioned. LeWinter's likely hoax document notes this, stating that the car was "rebuilt to respond to external radio controls.")

Lord Stevens has "been assured" that the 39 classified documents detailing Diana's final conversations "did not reveal anything sinister or contain material that might help explain her death." To put it another way, those who clandestinely bugged Diana have given their word there is nothing suspicious on the tapes they refuse to release, and that's good enough for the head of Scotland Yard's "exhaustive" inquiry.

Celebrity can blind us to the thing itself, particularly when beauty and youth are weighted with great wealth and generational power. (Paris Hilton's circle of rich and pantiless fembots is almost enough to make "elite mind-controlled sex slave" go mainstream.) That Di and Dodi meant nothing to me only means that I had no reason to wish them dead. Others, I can't speak for.

147 Comments:

Anonymous Billy Shears said...

Well, I for one can see how Di could have been a target. She was very deeply inside one of the arms of the octopus, which is of course why you used that term in the title to this post.

Could it be that she was about to expose the royal family's dirty big secrets? Did she have the straight dope on Chucky and Liz? Probably. The fact that after the divorce she was considerably more famous to the "people" than her former family I'm sure scared the ever-loving-inbred shit out of that bloody lot. Let's imagine that she lived, and told a tell-all to the British (and world) public about the high weirdness that goes on in Buckingham Palace. The masses would of course believe her over Chuck and Liz... there could have been a fucking riot that may have resulted in the downfall of the UK gov't. People love a scandal when it involves nastiness, and the one she was going to tell had plenty of it.

Of course she was murdered.

It's just very curious to me that these revelations have surface in the first place. Why would the PTB stir this up, after it has had so long to settle? Is there a mole in the system, doling out real info us, or is this just more disinfo designed to keep us all confused?

Before this story came out, I was in the same boat as Jeff concerning Di, namely: Who cares? But now, I dunno...

12/11/2006 12:51:00 PM  
Anonymous pepsified thinker said...

Good post--and I'm guessing it'll bring folks to R.I. who otherwise might not be here. To any newcomers, Welcome!

And I join Billy Shears in wondering--why? What could she do to hrut someone? I'm guessing there are otherways to stop/respond to an anti-landmine campaign.

I saw a link on the discussion board "Dodi was real target". I'll go check that now--maybe the bugging was to be sure of her travel plans so a hit on her would also (REALLY) be a hit on him.

12/11/2006 01:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let us not forget that she was the figurehead for the anti-landmine campaign. A lot of people wanted her dead and out of the way because of this.

12/11/2006 01:09:00 PM  
Anonymous pepsified thinker said...

Here's the link for the discussion board's thread re "Dodi was the REAL target"

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=9454

By the way, reading the first bit of that thread, it seems Dodi's indicated by the PTB as reason for the 'hit' maybe to draw attention from Diana, but also maybe on a more legitimate basis.

12/11/2006 01:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Mozzers said...

As someone in the UK I can say that Mohammed Al-fayed must owe Richard Desmond something as the Di conspiracy stuff is still on his newspaper (The Daily/Sunday Express) twice a week. I for one think she was killed, for any/all of the reasons mentioned. Just to throw the cat amongst the pidgeons as it were, maybe Di was killed because she planned to tell the world that Prince Harry was really James Hewitts' son? Take a look at him.

12/11/2006 03:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Grace Kelly said...

What about me? I died under suspicious circumstances, and I was married to royalty, but no one thinks to explore my death.

12/11/2006 03:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More information on James Adanson, a paprazzi who drove a white car near Diana's Mercedes here (in French):

http://www.investigateur.info/affaires/france/andanson.html

The nitty-gritty of the above article is that Mr Adanson used to work part-time for the British Secret Services (MI5/MI6) and that his death was ruled very suspicious by his friends and acquaintances.

His body was --supposedly -- entirely disintegrated in the fire that engulfed his Black Mercedes. This is highly suspicious since, according to the mortician of his little town, bodies, even badly burned, tend to remain more or less recognizable and in one piece, even when submitted to such atrocities as napalm. Mr Adanson, of course, never acted the least suicidal before his sudden demise, despite some personal problems.

Mr Adanson supposedly drove the white Fiat that crashed into the Mercedes and sent it crashing into the concrete pillars of the tunnel. Despite research by the French police, this car has never been recovered. M. Adanson, despite some proof to the contrary, always denied being anywhere near Pricess Diana that night. However, he did mention that his mother owned a white Fiat, and that he personally sold it to a third party. That car was -- of course -- never analyzed by the French police.

Make of that what you will.

12/11/2006 03:54:00 PM  
Anonymous antiaristo said...

Jeff,
Congratulations on breaching this one.

I have two questions.

First, I'd seen the George Smith notice when he died last year. But that's all it said - that he "has died". Where did you find the quote about his "unknown illness"?

Second, why did you truncate the Diana quote mid-sentence? The actual quote was

"This particular phase of my life is the most dangerous - my husband is planning 'an accident' in my car, brake failure & serious head injury in order to make the path clear for him to marry."

She was telling us the reason WHY she felt in danger, WHY she felt "her husband" would do such a thing.

The Treason Felony Act of 1848 specifies "our Most Gracious Lady the Queen" as the person who cannot be opposed.

Were Charles to accede to the Throne as a single man there would be no queen.

This is a situation that has not arisen since the LAST succession crisis in 1936. And then the King was forced to abdicate.

So why truncate the sentence?

12/11/2006 04:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Santa's Submarine said...

Let's just economize a theoretical view. Britain is a huge bitter racist eugenic mastoid growing in the nose of earth's human population. It's intelligence organizations are the processed product example of it's murder impulse and revenge capability. They killed her because she was a woman unwilling any longer to be chattel to an aristocratic figurehead, therefore a liablity. The wrath rage and indignation of her choosing to be intimate in daylight with what British society consider a sub-acceptable human member of an impure spiritual belief made her letter to Burrell a measured increment of time, a tick, before what many felt assured must happen, happened. Those who view Henry VIII a man's man are a mirror image of those who neo-conically prepare for a racist founded aristocracy in America who's population by the way seem to out number any other country when it comes to citizens willing to kill for no other reason than they can. One tentacle waves to the other ... Good Morning Mr Blair (endearing smile) ... Good morning Mr. Bush (toothy grin)

12/11/2006 04:28:00 PM  
Anonymous ROACHBOY said...

Once again JW joins all the dots,even the dots you were not aware of!

I was living in the Florida Keys at the time of her demise although I remember The Royal Wedding celebrations of my childhood.

She always struck me as Paris Hilton Old Europe just a dumbass rich girl from Chelsea London.Nice but dim and yet her womb was of immense value to those concerned with constitutional hereditary.

I've seen photos of her dancing with Henry Kissinger and I feel that makes her the poster girl for Political Correctness.Kudos du jour in- a skirt.

I am currently reading Mediated by Thomas Zengotita which I would acknowledge as the next move onwards from Mcluan.In short she was unique in that she was both of the Old and the New.A clebrity and an aristocrat at the same time and consequently an avatar of the New World Order with the impecable heritage of the Old Word Order.

12/11/2006 04:43:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Where did you find the quote about his "unknown illness"?

That was from the wiki entry on Smith, so I suppose it should be corroborated.

Second, why did you truncate the Diana quote mid-sentence?

The source I used was truncated as well.

12/11/2006 04:54:00 PM  
Anonymous antiaristo said...

The source I used was truncated as well.

Now there's a clue, don't you think? I've found that when that is done it is usually done to hide what comes next.

So who's got the agenda?
Who was the source?

12/11/2006 05:05:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Who was the source?

This recent Reuters story.

12/11/2006 05:08:00 PM  
Anonymous antiaristo said...

Aaaah, Reuters.

Jeff, they DO have a history in parapolitics, don't they?

And quite close to the British Establishment too.

They certainly have an agenda.

Could the readers of this blog consider - WHY the British Establishment would cut her off mid-sentence?

PS Keep your eyes on the carbon monoxide: 20.7 percent concentration (sufficient for suicide).

12/11/2006 05:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff - I like this post but think you're skating a tad.

Like with JFK it was cumulative and she was a highly visible and vulnerable person: a target and a sacrifice.

The landmines campaign and the using her status and charisma to emanate compassion to all those at the bottom is something THEY HATE.

Just as they hated JFK using HIS youth, charisma and popularity to try to shut down the US shadow govt.

12/11/2006 05:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Michael said...

I don't think the story is complete without understanding European royalty's fixation with "holy" blood. It was Diana's genes - her Merovingian bloodline - bluer than the Windsor's - that were so important to the plans of the British monarchy. Hers was the most arranged of arranged marriages, and once she fulfilled her destiny, she became more valuable dead than alive - an icon of suffering and beauty.

12/11/2006 05:37:00 PM  
Blogger IanEye said...

I was working in a Borders Books and Music in the Music department when someone came off the street and said she had died the night before in a car crash. The CD we had playing was "OK Computer" and the song was "The Tourist" I wasn't a huge fan of hers, but I got chills just the same:

The Tourist
It barks at no-one else but me,
like it's seen a ghost.
I guess it's seen the sparks a-flowin,
no-one else would know.

Hey man, slow down, slow down,
idiot, slow down, slow down.

Sometimes I get overcharged,
that's when you see sparks.
They ask me where the hell I'm going?
At a 1000 feet per second,

hey man, slow down, slow down,
idiot, slow down, slow down.

Hey man, slow down, slow down,
idiot, slow down, slow down.

Released:
June 1997
Found on:
OK Computer

"The Tourist" was written by Jonny, who, explains Thom, was "in a beautiful square in France on a sunny day, and watching all theses American tourists being wheeled around, frantically trying to see everything in 10 minutes." Jonny was shocked at how these people could be in a place so beautiful and so special and not realize it because they weren't taking the time to just stop and look around.

12/11/2006 06:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think she was killed for 3 potential reasons:

1) to prevent the monarchy falling apart. She possibly had the power (in terms of public support) to do that.

2) as punishment for her Harry Hewitt stunt. I think she resented the 'heir and a spare' demands upon her and rebelled. However the Royal family must have known Harry was a 'half-blood prince' (chortle, Rowling knows too!) as they are blood tested at birth for this reason.

3) She was pregnant with Dodi's (Muslim) child and that was not going to happen. Ever.

12/11/2006 07:49:00 PM  
Blogger smiths said...

smiths says,

as with most crimes, searching for a single all encompassing 'reason' is a bit of a mistake,
there is no doubt she was a multiple threat to the royals,
she knew too much and bailed, you cant leave the family,
to add to that, hooking up with an arab, you just cant understand how unthinkable that is to the royals,
its true her blood had cleansed the royal heirs of german impurities but because it was stuart, not fucking merovingian,
harry knows the score and he went off the rials for a while, hes come to terms with it now,
but anti is right with the deliberate omission of the last part of her sentence, the reason is linked to their ultimate powers,
it is linked to who the special forces are loyal to and all of those real power issues,
the land mines issuue is connected to the bigger issues of who profits from money an guns aand it comes back to that same family time and time again,
her legend will only grow for good and bad,
i think it points as well to the bigger games,
the smokescreen that british and french foreign policy clashes is cleared by events like this,
their secret services work together and with yanks for the big jobs,
chuck out a few pawns when your really angling for the queen

12/11/2006 08:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speculation.

Whats best is always the guess who did it?
Why?
Was it just a coincidence the place of action?

The flash theory.
weapon that overloads the cerebral cortex with bright light.
It has been implicated in plane crashes too.
So auto wrecks are mundane.
But it works like a charm.


Intel is funny.

Remember Mossad protecting its source and letting the Marines get blown up with a GEE (gas enhanced explosion)in Beirut in 1983?

Intel is always BLACK and RED and will remain the hidden hand.
Watching a key word.
Waiting
Gathering.

After all you never know what trolling for intel will dredge up.
That is why it is done.
The name of the game.
The players use this to build or destroy or mold depending on the situation.

Also interesting is the place of the sacrificial murder.
Used to be ancient temple on that old mountain.

ALICE Looking through the keyhole.....

12/11/2006 09:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Her resting place is interesting also.

Come to the Temple of Diane where she now is interned.

Eternal flame present?

Spooky or not?

12/11/2006 09:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The scene of the "accident" contains the real clue to what was afoot: the Pont de L'Alma tunnel, which "is ancient, dating back to the time of the Merovingian kings (ca. 500-751 A.D.), and before". "In pre-Christian times, the Pont de L'Alma was a pagan sacrificial site."

All "true European royalty are descended from the Merovingians, " the article continues, it then repeats the recent claims that the Merovingians were descended from Jesus. Princess Diana, as a Spencer, was descended from the Stuarts who gave England four kings (James I, Charles I, Charles II, and James II) and who are partially Merovingian in bloodline. By comparison, the article says, the current British royal family are "imposters."

"Two factions vied for control of Diana: (1) the New World Order or Bank of England faction, founded by King William III of Orange, who allowed the founding of the (private) Bank of England, and (2) the "true nobility of Europe, i.e., those of the Merovingian bloodline."

The article goes on. But it adds further complexity: "Within the New World Order faction there are smaller, warring factions, exemplified by Rothschilds vs. Rockefellers. The plan of the New World Order faction was to marry Lady Diana to an American. Even though Bill Clinton has bastard roots in the Rockefeller clan, he is rejected by them and is aligned with the Rothschilds. Bill Clinton was the designated future husband for Lady Diana, with Hillary Clinton to be eliminated through divorce or even murder. The Rockefellers were furious; in no way would they allow a marriage between Bill Clinton and Lady Diana.

"But Lady Di refused to marry Bill Clinton and seemed inclined to marry Dodi, thus also marrying into the Saudi royal family; for this impropriety, MI6 (British Intelligence) decided to eliminate her. They picked Pont de L'Alma to "send a signal" that would eventually lead to the creation of a Saint Diana, i.e. a new form of the triple moon goddess of the pagans, often called Diana.

Herresting place is also so much like a temple too.

12/11/2006 09:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The night she died, I had a nightmare. I was in Paris, in the backseat of a car which was speeding. I was tipsy - I had either been drugged or been drinking. I was screaming "slow down or we're going to die!" at the driver. I was terrified. Then, I woke up with a start, like I had been hit or something. The force startled me. That morning, I spoke with my father at appx. 7am, when he told me about the accident. Now, I have never been a royal watcher, or anything of the sort, however when my father told me about the accident, it disturbed me because it so closely resembled my dream. When I awoke, I had a vague feeling that something about hay fields and or hay harvesting would prove to be significant, but have not uncovered anything yet. Oh, by the way, Dianna and I shared a wedding anniversary - I got married two years before she and Charles did, and I was married to an abusive man. Perhaps that is why she chose to get into my head that fateful night. I believe she was murdered.

12/11/2006 09:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Louis said...

Jeff, thank you so much for this post.

OK, I guess the kooks are coming out tonight...I had always been a Royal-hater, and I hated Diana the most, as she was the glamorous face of that wretched cabal. I never looked kindly upon her, or any of the Royals, and wondered why the idiot Brits never came to their senses and took them down. Even after she ditched the walking corpse, I got sick seeing her face splashed about the popular press.

Then, after her death, she came to me in a dream. It was in a parking garage. She walked up to me, kissed me on the lips, then walked away.

I am the LAST PERSON ON EARTH who should ever have had such a dream. But I did. Since I did, I have cherished its memory, and the memory of Lovely Princess Di.

She was most certainly murdered. I think the bloodlines arguments carry a lot of weight. But (cue cheezy momentous Hollywood music) they could not kill her spirit.

Our spirit informs our instincts. We KNOW all of this, but we can't DO anything. At least not yet. Ghandi was right (in my loose paraphrase): Be the change you want to see.

12/11/2006 09:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Silverfox said...

Those who knowingly support the NWO, the real globalists and major owners of the multinationals that are devouring everything in sight and jerking politicians around like marionettes are by no means monolithic.

In fact the whole misadventure seems far more directed at restoring some variant of feudalism only with corportatists as the new aristocracy and liege lords and their corporate holdings as the fiefdoms they fight over or seek to secure either through marriages or clandestine alliances.

The kind of rampant greed and purely mechanical materialism that drives these people couldn't be much plainer, nor I might add fail to substantiate that old axiom that there is no honour among thieves.

Diana was simply shuffled around between the factions in their internal and infernal turf wars. It was her own sense of self-importance and celebrity that made her vulnerable.

She may not have been completely aware of it but she nevertheless enjoyed all the limelight, intrigue and noteriety that went right along with it.

I always had the sense it was never more than some kind of schoolgirl's wildly melodramatic fantasy that had somehow mysteriously sprung to life for her. Like some kind of dream she was floating through that just seemed to keep right on going and going.

There was always an aura of unreality about both her and her life that simply seemed far too much like something right out of some very novel novel. Nothing at all ever ordinary, everyday, or mundane in the slightest. Never a moment that wasn't centre stage and under the full glare of the footlights.

Of course her own fantasy games were taking place inside some far more serious and dangerous ones that simply gave her the opportunity to play them. Unfortuantely for her all the players in those really do play for keeps.

12/11/2006 10:57:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

I ignored the Diana saga for the same reason Jeff did--it just looked like so much fluff. Despite the spy v. spy details coming forth, it still does. Look, folks, it doesn't take celebrity icons to make an aristocracy; that's all just the show, for the public consumption of the royal watchers (slightly more sophisticated sopa opera fans). The real power is always a bit more Machiavellian, or, in modern parlance, Kissingerian, which is to say, behind the curtain.

Except, strangely, when they step out from behind that curtain to show us their fangs. Like James Baker's ISG did the other day. From the L.A. Times:

It's still about oil in Iraq
December 8, 2006

WHILE THE Bush administration, the media and nearly all the Democrats still refuse to explain the war in Iraq in terms of oil, the ever-pragmatic members of the Iraq Study Group share no such reticence.

Page 1, Chapter 1 of the Iraq Study Group report lays out Iraq's importance to its region, the U.S. and the world with this reminder: "It has the world's second-largest known oil reserves." The group then proceeds to give very specific and radical recommendations as to what the United States should do to secure those reserves. If the proposals are followed, Iraq's national oil industry will be commercialized and opened to foreign firms.

The report makes visible to everyone the elephant in the room: that we are fighting, killing and dying in a war for oil. It states in plain language that the U.S. government should use every tool at its disposal to ensure that American oil interests and those of its corporations are met.

All told, the Iraq Study Group has simply made the case for extending the war until foreign oil companies — presumably American ones — have guaranteed legal access to all of Iraq's oil fields and until they are assured the best legal and financial terms possible.

We can thank the Iraq Study Group for making its case publicly. It is now our turn to decide if we wish to spill more blood for oil.


And, it turns out there are precedents to this coming out of the closet with naked aggression and not-so-secret plans. Look back to this parallel, pointed out by Mr. Floyd in Global Eye -- Dark Passage

Not since "Mein Kampf" has a geopolitical punch been so blatantly telegraphed, years ahead of the blow.

Adolf Hitler clearly spelled out his plans to destroy the Jews and launch wars of conquest to secure German domination of world affairs in his 1925 book, long before he ever assumed power. Despite the zigzags of rhetoric he later employed, the various PR spins and temporary justifications offered for this or that particular policy, any attentive reader of his vile regurgitation could have divined his intentions as he drove his country -- and the world -- to murderous upheaval.

Similarly -- in method, if not entirely in substance -- the Bush Regime's foreign policy is also being carried out according to a strict blueprint written years ago, then renewed a few months before the Regime was installed in power by the judicial coup of December 2000.

The first version, mentioned in passing here last week, was drafted by a team operating under then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney in 1992. It set out a new doctrine for U.S. power in the 21st century, an aggressive, unilateral approach that would secure American domination of world affairs -- "by force if necessary," as one of the acolytes put it.

When the Dominators were temporarily ousted from government after 1992, they continued their strategic planning with funding from the military-energy-security apparatus and right-wing foundations. This culminated in a new group, the aptly-named Project for a New American Century (PNAC). Members included hard-right players like Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Zalmay Khalilzad (now "special envoy" to the satrapy of Afghanistan) and other empire aspirants currently perched in the upper reaches of government power.

In September 2000, PNAC updated the original Cheney plan in a published report, "Strengthening America's Defenses." In this and related documents, the earlier precepts were reiterated and refined. The plans called for unprecedented hikes in military spending, the plantation of American bases in Central Asia and the Middle East, the toppling of recalcitrant regimes, the militarization of outer space, the abrogation of international treaties, the willingness to use nuclear weapons and control of the world's energy resources.

And the present course of action was clearly set forth: "The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

But Iraq is just a stepping stone. Iran is next -- indeed, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the PNAC team say that Iran is "perhaps a far greater threat" to U.S. oil hegemony. Other nations will follow, including Russia and China. In one way or another -- by military means or economic dominance, by conquest, alliance or silent acquiescence -- they must all be brought to heel, forcibly prevented from "challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role."

These texts spring from the Dominators' quasi-religious cult of "American exceptionalism," the belief in the unique and utter goodness of the American soul -- embodied chiefly by the nation's moneyed elite, of course -- and the irredeemable, metaphysical evil of all those who would oppose or criticize the elite's righteous (and conveniently self-serving) policies.

Anyone still "puzzled" over the Bush Regime's behavior need only look to these documents...


We're just following the script, no cloak & dagger, no fairytale princess needed, really. (It is a bit odd that that all this old-fashioned geo/petro politicking is going on when all these energy alternatives are now appearing at a refreshingly rapid rate, but the show must go on; pretense is still not past tense.)

But how is this late-stage capitalism any different from feudalism? There is one important distinction that comes to mind. In the olden days the aristocracy had this funny concept called "noblesse oblige," a sort of (mostly theoretical) moral obligation to take care of those unfortunate enough to find themselves further down the chain of being. That's been updated to "trickle down economics," which sounds (and is) more like pissing on those beneath you.

Isn't it just a bit eerie, though, that all the old actors are still on the stage? I thought the US was supposed to be a representative democracy, that run by elected representatives, not eternally-hanging on courtiers like Baker and focking Edwin Meese III. In these last dying days, the Empire is showing its true colors. How fitting that we pause a moment to salute a great foot soldier in the cause, the fallen Chilean Patton, Augusto Pinochet. His eulogy, as given by Big Gav:

When Gen Pinochet seized power in 1973, he knew he would be enjoying the strong support of the US. The secretary of state and national security adviser, Henry Kissinger, was an admirer and anxious that no bridgehead for the left should be established in Latin America by President Allende.

"The prevailing mood among the Chilean military is to use the current opportunity to stamp out all vestiges of communism in Chile," said a CIA memo immediately after the coup. "Severe repression is planned." Another CIA document noted that the methods used by the junta's secret police were "out of the Spanish inquisition".

When Dr Kissinger and Gen Pinochet met in 1976, according to documents released in 1999, Dr Kissinger told him to ignore criticisms from within the US about his methods, assuring him that they were part of a communist propaganda exercise. He told him: "We wish your government well."

Dr Kissinger remained loyal to Gen Pinochet. When the retired dictator was arrested in London in 1998 and was facing extradition to Spain, he backed the campaign for him to be allowed to return home.


Amnesty International and other human rights organizations have lamented the demented one's passing, since it deprives the executioner of his rightful duty, but what the hell--Kissinger is still alive, isn't he? Who's the real mastermind, after all?

Let's not confuse the puppets--the Chimp, the Princess, etc--with the Kings (and the kingmakers).

12/12/2006 01:17:00 AM  
Anonymous starroute said...

Mark Zaid was Al Fayed's attorney? Would that be the same Mark Zaid who has represented both Sibel Edmonds and a couple of the people testifying about Able Danger?

Small world.

12/12/2006 01:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Bob said...

Grace Kelly said...

What about me? I died under suspicious circumstances, and I was married to royalty, but no one thinks to explore my death.


Louis said...

OK, I guess the kooks are coming out tonight...

Bow this IS unique! I get to roll with laughter rather than read with trepidation and dread

12/12/2006 02:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(Paris Hilton's circle of rich and pantiless fembots is almost enough to make "elite mind-controlled sex slave" go mainstream.)

I have to wonder how much literal intent you were intending there, Jeff. I am probably more of a celebrity watcher than I should be, but the mysterious injuries and bandaids/bruises that have been photographed on the galmorous and vapid lately have made me suspicious.

Then there's also the Mickey Mouse club connection with Britney, always a tag of suspicion. When she was seen back with her old manager who was supposedly the one who "broke" her to the world after her divorce from Kevin Federline I couldn't help but wonder if she was checking in with the owner for new material.

I feel dirty for even momentarily sidetracking the discussion with this, but if certain ex-mind control subjects are to be believed I think it could be quite likely. It's creepy how these puppets get so blatantly flaunted infront of us.

I was such a Micheal Jackson fan as a kid too. Oh well, pretty lies or ugly truth...take your pick.

12/12/2006 05:46:00 AM  
Anonymous antiaristo said...

Grace Kelly said...

What about me? I died under suspicious circumstances, and I was married to royalty, but no one thinks to explore my death.

Darling Grace,

How true!
But you had no power, did you?

Princess of Monaco, the size of Hyde Park.

Diana's patch was a litle more interesting.

Especially the sovereignty over London and the London courts ("Royal Courts of Justice").

The London courts which, in the final analysis, regulate the London financial markets.

Here's a long story about the Lloyds of London insurance fraud, ultimately decided by the London courts.

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=8533

12/12/2006 05:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Grace Kelly said...

Princess of Monaco, the size of Hyde Park.

My dear sir, Monaco is very strategic, logistically speaking, in the drug trade into Europe.

The Grimaldi Damily, and specifically Prince Ranier, are represented in the Committee of 300.

I paid the price, with my life, for my husband's greed.

Below is an excerpt from this link.

One of the ways heroin is moved into Europe is through the Principality of Monaco. The heroin comes from Corsica carried in ferries that ply a busy trade between Corsica and Monte Carlo during the summer. There is no check of what goes on or comes off these ferries. As there is no border between France and Monaco, drugs, and more especially heroin (partly processed opium), flows through the open border of Monaco into laboratories in France, or else if it has already been processed into heroin, it goes directly to the distributors.

The Grimaldi family has been in the drug smuggling business for centuries. Because Prince Ranier got greedy and began skimming heavily and would not desist after three warnings, his wife, Princess Grace, was murdered in a car "accident." Ranier underestimated the power of the Committee of which he is a member. The Rover car in which she was traveling had the brake fluid chambers tampered with in such a way that each time the brakes were depressed, fluid was released in measured amount, until by the time the car reached the most dangerous of several hairpin bends, there was no stopping power, and it sailed over a stone wall, hitting the ground fifty feet below in a sickening smash.

Everything possible was done by the Committee of 300 operatives to conceal the truth about the murder of Princess Grace. To this day the Rover car remains in the custody of French police, shrouded under a cover on a trailer which no one is allowed to approach, let alone examine. The signal for the execution of Princess Grace was picked up by the British Army listening post in Cyprus and it is believed by well placed source that the Committee Monte Carlo and P2 gave the order.


Not to mention, I was much more beautiful and elegant than Princess Di of Bolemia.

12/12/2006 09:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Grace Kelly said...

What about me? I died under suspicious circumstances, and I was married to royalty, but no one thinks to explore my death.


OK, Grace. This is for you. The above quote is hardly enough to discuss the depravity you got yourself into when you married into Monte Carlo gambling oversexed king himself, Reiner III.

Grace, you were always the better 'high weirdness' candidate for Jeff Wells, with your Monaco connections, than a 'smart as a rock' Princess Diana, even though both of you were interesting examples of "inbreeding" from an outclan that has had some power in the distant past.

Perhaps Jeff was unaware that you, Grace, were likely connected to being killed by your own husband Reiner III (who likely introduced you to the Order of the Solar Temple) because you were a handy covers for money laundering by the Monaco connected "Solar Temple" group--which plugs so well into elite deviance, arms deals, money laundering, intentionally fake media stories quickly penned, and royalty connected ritual sex, replete with claims of "spiritual manifestation in the material" coming out of such sex rituals.

Grace, I should mention to you that you probably didn't know the huge extent of what you were getting into, though who knows--your family was very politically powerful in the United States (they were close to Franklin Delano Roosevelt, later President--though more importantly--grandson of opium smugglers in Canton for Bonesmen connected Russell and Company. That would be FDR's grandfather Delano. Grace, you knew that your father was a close friend of FDR--and even was appointed to an honorary federal political position by FDR).

So Grace, you knew you were in for a ride in life--both in the United States and later--long before you were bred to Monaco royalty who "wanted an actress" because he had everything else.

I start this discussion with noting that the Order of the Solar Temple, which seems to have had Monaco royal connections, had an ideology connecting them to Sirius and astral planing that after death they would go there. This is so reminiscent of the Heaven's Gate (more MKULTRA like operation it seems) "cult" it should be compared immediately--either as something made up later to associate it with Heaven's Gate unfairly, or something to throw the real scent off the Christian Catholic ritual sex angle of the Knights Templar--which is the real heart of the matter, Grace.

This is because, in Europe, the Order of the Solar Temple were all "powerful people" mostly, while Heavens' Gate groups seem like so much "peasants bought and sold" compared to Solar Temple. There was not ritual Catholic sex in Heaven's Gate, despite its name.

And it is ritual Catholic sex, Grace, that seemed to turn on Reiner III--and that's how you got into all this.

The Solar Temple had (and likely has) a far more elitist secretive affair with Sirius and astral planing doctrines. And Solar Temple was (and likely still is) intersected with European esoteric Catholic Christianity, Knights Templar themes, bloodlines, and ritual sex.

Come on Grace, admit you were entinced though soon got out of your depth. When you wanted out, it made your husband Reiner III mad, particularly if (as is claimed) you wanted to blow open the whole organization of money laundering which is the main purpose of Monaco to European elites (and other little "extra jurisdictional" areas tucked away between more boring democratically inclined nation stats (though honored in the breach more than the observance). There are no taxes in Monaco to its citizens, and a huge portion of the money of the state comes direct out of gambling:

"Monte Carlo is home to most of the Circuit de Monaco, on which the Formula One Monaco Grand Prix takes place; it also hosts world championship boxing bouts, the Monte Carlo Masters, fashion shows and other events. Monte Carlo has been visited by royalty as well as commoners and movie stars for decades as one of Europe's leading tourist resorts. Within the casino complex is the Grand Théâtre de Monte Carlo, an opera and ballet house, and the headquarters of the Ballets de Monte Carlo. In 1861 a 50-year concession to operate the gaming rooms was granted to a private individual. Since 1898 the concession has been operated by the Société des Bains de Mer, a private company, in which the government now holds a majority interest. This corporation also owns the principal hotels and clubs of the community that serve the tourist trade. The citizens of Monaco are exempt from taxes, and they are forbidden to enter the gaming rooms."

If you want to money launder, you gotta have a royal on your side, is the lesson here. How much better if they still have their own domain, propped up because such a thing is so useful to the present, instead of because it has something to do with the past:

"All the truly high rollers know that Société des Bains de Mer et du Cercle des Étrangers à Monaco (Bains de Mer) owns and operates many of the prestigious luxury resort properties in Monte Carlo, located on the Mediterranean in the tiny principality of Monaco. The company offers gambling at five casinos, including the famous Monte-Carlo Casino, and gives shelter to the world's rich and famous at its five hotels. The company also operates more than 20 restaurants and nightclubs, as well as shops, a health spa, and a golf course. If elegance and glamour isn't enough of a draw, a new conference center has been built. Founded in 1863, the company is approximately 70% owned by Monaco’s ruling Grimaldi family."

If Monaco suddenly looks like a Mafia don's dreamworld of owning his own private government, and getting to call himself a king, well, that's basically what Monaco is.

Where does high aristocratic ritual religious sex come in?

François Grimaldi (François Malizia "the Cunning") was the leader of the Guelphs who captured the Rock of Monaco on the night of January 8, 1297. He was the son of Guglielmo Grimaldi by his wife Giacoba. [This was the era directly after the Templars had finally lost the last bit of the Holy Land at Acre, in 1291--which saw a huge amount of Templar rushes to found little statelets all over Europe. Monaco seems to have been one, given the context in which it was founded and by whom it was founded.

Dressed as a Franciscan monk, François was greeted at the gates of Monaco's castle, only then to seize the castle with his cousin Rainier I, Lord of Cagnes, and a group of men behind him. The event is commemorated on the Monegasque coat of arms, where the supporters are two monks armed with swords. [which may be a Templar warrior monk double meaning; another Templar double meaning is the Monaco flag--red and white equally, similar to the similar black and white of the Templar and in the same way as it was, in two stripes like the Monaco flag].

He held the citadel of Monaco 4 years and was finally chased out. To keep this little statelet area, he married in 1295 with Aurelia del Carretto, though the marriage was childless.

After his death, in 1309, and two years after Philip the Far was going after the Templars from 1307 (though before the Templars were decommissioned in 1314) he was succeeded by his cousin (and stepson), Rainier I, Lord of Cagnes.

"His cousin's descendants, the Grimaldi family, still rule Monaco today, with Prince Albert II, the head of the House of Grimaldi."

That's quite a long time to have a protected state anywhere under one dynasty, however small---much less after 500 years of solid warfare in Europe. Who was this guy established right as the Templars were under attack, and adopting all sort of Templar-reminiscent iconography for his state symbols?

Rainier I of Monaco (born 1267 - died 1314) was, in fact, the first sovereign Grimaldi ruler of the area now known as Monaco. He also holder the title of Lord of Cagnes.

The oldest of the three sons of Lanfranco Grimaldi, French Vicar of Provence, by his wife, Aurelia del Carretto (who later remarried [incestuously inbred] with his late husband nephew, François Grimaldi), Rainier joined to his stepfather and a group of men to take the Rock of Monaco; the event is commemorated on the Monegasque coat of arms, where the supporters are two monks armed with swords (because Francois dressed as monk and open at the gates of Monaco's castle--[and likely because of the Templar double meaning]. He held the citadel of Monaco 4 years and was finally chased out in April 10, 1301.

In 1304 he was appointed admiral of France.

He married twice:

First, married Salvatica, daughter of Giacomo del Carretto, Margrave of Final. They have four children:

* Charles I, his successor, [established during the 1307-1314 period of 'gray' for the Templars when the were unaware they were going to be decomissioned though when a lot of esoteric things happened that still influence European elites presently.]

* Vinciguerra; married Constancia Ruffa.

* Salvaggia; married Gabriel Vento.

* Luca, Lord of Villefranche; married firstly with Tedise, daughter of Daniel Cibo, and secondly with Catarina Carracioli.

Secondly, Rainier I married Andriola Grillo. This marriage was childless.

In that "Templar gray area" of 1307-1314, Charles I of Monaco (died August 15, 1357), was the first true Lord of Monaco, and is thus widely considered the founder of the dynasty. He was the oldest son of Rainier I by his first wife, Salvatica del Carretto, Charles was fled to exile after the fall to the Rock of Monaco in the Genoese control in April 10, 1301.

After thirty years of Genoese rule, who retook the Rock in September 12, 1331, and ruled to his death, when the Rock was taken again for the Genoese army.

In 1346 he took the Lordship of Mentone and, in 1355, he conquered the Lordship of Roquebrune.

In June 29, 1352, in the wake of the Black Death plagues, he designed co-rules of Monaco his uncle Antonio (his father's youngest brother), and his own sons, Rainier II and Gabriel.

Charles I married Lucchina, a daughter of Girardo Spinola, Lord of Dertonne. They have eight children:

* Louis, his successor.

* Rainier II .

* Francis.

* Gabriel, married to a member of the Orsini family.

* Charles, Co-Lord of Mentone; he have a son, Luca, who inherited Mentone. Luca have two sons, Pietro and Filippo, also Lords of Mentone; both brothers died without issue, and Mentone passed to the older branch of the family.

* Lancelot.

* Ruffus.

* Anastasia.

The Orsini are interesting because they were a parapolitical family that made (and unmade) popes for centuries.

The Orsini family was one of the most celebrated princely families in Italy and 1400s Rome, which, had large possessions in Hungary as well. Members of the Orsini include popes Celestine III (1191-1198), Nicholas III (1277-1280), and separated by a small span of five hundred years and still powerful, the Orsini family pope Benedict XIII (1724-1730). Orsini additionally provided numerous condottieri and other relevant political and religious figures.

Orsinis were additionally married into the Ruffos, like the Grimaldis.

According to their family lore, the Orsini are descended from the Julio-Claudian family of ancient Rome. This may be fanciful, as well as the alleged connection to the German families of Anhalt, Baden and Rosenberg sporting the same name.

The Orsini were related to the Boboni family existing in Rome in the 11th century. The first members had in fact always doubled surname of Boboni-Orsini. This first known members is one Bobone, in the early 11th century, father of Pietro, in turn father of Giacinto dei Boboni (1110-1198), who in 1191 became pope as Celestine III.

One of the first "great nepotistic" popes, he created cardinals for two of his own nephews and allowed his cousin, Giovanni Gaetano (Giangaetano, died 1232) to buy the fiefs of Vicovaro, Licenza, Roccagiovine and Nettuno, who formed the nucleus of the future territorial power of the family.

The Boboni surname went lost with his children, who were called de domo filiorum Ursi. Two of them, Napoleone and Matteo Rosso (1178-1246) increased considerably the prestige of the family. The former was the founder of the first southern line, who disappeared with Camillo Pardo in 1553. He obtained the city of Manoppello, later a countship, and was Papal gonfaloniere. Matteo Rosso, called the Great, was the effective lord of Rome from 1241, when he defeated the Imperial troops to 1243, holding the title of Senator. Two of his sons and Napoleone were also Senators. Matteo ousted the traditional rivals, the Colonna, from Rome and extended the Orsini territories southwards up to Avellino and northwards to Pitigliano.

During his life the family entered firmly in the Guelph party--as did the hereditary elite Grimaldis of Genoas top 27 families, and of Monaco.

He had some ten sons, which divided the fiefs after his deaths: Gentile (died 1246) originated the Pitigliano line and the second southern line, Rinaldo that of Monterotondo, Napoleone (died 1267) that of Bracciano and another Matteo Rosso that of Montegiordano, from the name of the district in Rome housing the family's fortress.

The most distinguished of his sons was however Giovanni Gaetano (died 1280): elected pope as Nicholas III, he named the nephew Bertoldo (died 1289) as count of Romagna and had two nephews and a brother created cardinals.

The second southern line

The rise of the Orsini did not stop after Nicholas' death. Bertoldo's son, Gentile II (1250-1318), was two times Senator of Rome, podestà of Viterbo and, from 1314, Gran Giustiziere ("Great Justicer") of the Kingdom of Naples. He married to Clarice Ruffo, daughter of the counts of Catanzaro, forming an alliance of the most powerful Calabrian dynasty. [The Grimaldis married into them as well.]

His son Romano (1268-1327), called Romanello, was Royal Vicar of Rome in 1326, and inherited the countship of Soana through his marriage with Anastace de Montfort.

Romano's stance was markedly Guelph.

After his death, his two sons divided his fiefs, forming the Pitigliano and the second southern line--and this line died out.

It was the line of Gravina, from the name of the city in Apulia, which is the only existing line of the Orsini. It descends from Francesco (died 1456), a son of Count Carlo of Bracciano. Most of his fief were located in northern Lazio, but he entered in the Neapolitan orbit when in 1418 he was called by Sergianni Caracciolo to fight against the Angevine troops, which he defeated. By marriage, he obtained the title of count of Gravina. He was made Duke of Gravina by King Alfonso, title definitely assigned to his son Giacomo (died 1472), to which had been added the counties of Conversano, Campagna and Copertino. Two of Francesco's son, Marino (died 1471) and Giovanni Battista (died June 8, 1476), were respectively archbishop of Taranto and Grand Master of Knights of Rhodes.

That the Orsini family pretty high "Christian occult" warrior knights so to speak.

The fourth duke, Francesco, was strangled by Cesare Borgia in 1503. One of his nephews, Flavio Orsini, was created cardinal in 1565. The fifth duke, Ferdinando (died December 6, 1549) had all his fiefs confiscated by the Spaniards, but regained it after a 40,000 'scudi payment. After the heirless death of Duke Michele Antonio (January 26, 1627), his lands passed to his cousin Pietro Orsini, count of Muro Lucano (died 1641). The latter's nephew Pier Francesco, who had renounced to the succession in favour to his brother Domenico to became a Dominican, was later elected pope with the name of Benedict XIII.

His successor raised (previous pope) Benedict XIII's nephew, Prince Beroaldo Orsini, to the dignity of Prince Assistants to the Papal Throne (title held until 1958), and the 'other side' wanted the Orsinis as well--the emperor Charles VI had already, in 1724, made him a prince of the Holy Roman Empire. The last cardinal from the family was Domenico.

The family moved to Rome in the 18th century, where Duke Domenico (November 23, 1790 - April 28, 1874), married Maria Luisa Torlonia in 1823. In 1850 [in an era of secular revolutionuary/Illumiati action in Italy, he was on the othe side: the Orsini was Minister of War and General Lieutenant of the Papal Armies, and Senator of Rome as well.

The descendant of the family live in Rome.

The Orsini still exist.

And the Grimaldi are very interesting themselves, because, besides still existing in Europe like their in-laws the ultramontane Orsinis, the House of Grimaldi is associated with the history of the Republic of Genoa and of the Principality of Monaco.

The Grimaldi family descends from Grimaldo, a Genovese statesman at the time of the first Crusades--another Templar networked issue.

He was the son of Otto Canella, a Consul of Genoa in 1133, and in turn Grimaldo became a Consul in 1160, 1170 and again in 1184. His numerous grand-sons and their children led maritime expeditions throughout the Mediterranean, the Black Sea, and soon the North Sea, and quickly became one of the most powerful families of Genoa.

The Grimaldis feared that the head of a rival Genoese family could break the fragile balance of power in a political coup and become lord of Genoa, as it happened in other Italian cities.

They thus reached outside of Genoa, and entered into a Guelphic alliance with the Fieschi family and defended their interests with the sword.

The Grimaldi Guelf allies however were banned from the City of Genoa in 1271, and found refuge in their castles of Liguria and in Provence.

Thus the Grimaldis of Monaco were on the side of the (mostly) urban Guelfs in the whole Holy Roman Empire versus Papacy issues playing themselves out during the life of the Templar organization:

Guelph (often spelled Guelf, plural Guelfi) is most probably an Italian form of a battle cry--"Welf!"--screamed by family allies of the dukes of Bavaria (including the namesake Welf, as well as Henry the Lion).

The Welfs were said to have used the name as a rallying cry first in more 'German domestic' squabbles, during the Battle of Weinsberg in 1140, in which the rival Hohenstaufens of Swabia (led at the time by Conrad III) used another word as a battle cry against the "Welf!". the Hohenstaufen (line of the Barbarossa emperors) used "Waiblingen!" the name of a castle, as their opposing battle cry to "Welf!" As this infighting for the Holy Roman Empire emperorship expanded, it stretched for allies into Italy, and gained a different pronunciation.

"Waiblingen!" became subsequently Ghibellino! in Italian.

"Welf!" became Guelf! in Italian.

The names of these two battling imperial dynastic sides were likely introduced to Italy during the reign of military consolidator Frederick Barbarossa. While campaigning in Italy to expand imperial power there, the more locally automous Po River Valley urban Lombard League and its supporters became known as (those would would say "Welf!"/"Guelf!" in war against Barbarossa's "Walblingen!".

Guelphs supporting the urban areas against the Barbarossa Emperors' encroachments, while those who supported imperial bloodline of Frederick became known as Ghibellines ("Ghibellini!" called in war). The Ghibellines were thus an Imperial Italian party, while the urban Guelphs somewhat supported the Pope--though that was only because of a common enemy invading. Broadly speaking, it was contextual: Guelphs tended to come from backstabbing wealthy mercantile families who made and broke alliances when it suited them, while Ghibellines were predominantly rooted to the spot--were wealthy based on agricultural estates and more 'imperial territorial' in their alliances. There were thus Guelf cities, which tended to be areas against the Emperor when he was a threat to their local interests, though urban areas could be against the Pope as well, since there were Ghibelline cities which tended to tended contextually be in areas where the enlargement of the Papal States--and not the emperor--was the more immediate threat.

In this context with Guelf/Grimaldi networks being broken up in Genoa and losing out, they signed a treaty with Charles of Anjou, King of Naples and Count of Provence, to retake control of Genoa, and generally to provide mutual assistance. The Anjou line is crucial to occult European Christianity, and it is important that the Grimaldi had Anjou treaties and friendships.

In 1276, Grimaldis accepted a peace under the auspices of the Pope, which however did not put an end to the Genoan civil war. Not all the Grimaldis chose to return to Genoa, as they preferred to settle in their own private estates, where they could raise armies for later. In 1299, Grimaldis and their Guelf allies launched a few galleys to attack the port of Genoa before taking refuge to recoup on the Western Riviera (Monaco areas). During the following years, the Grimaldis were going to enter into different alliances that would allow them to come back in force. This time, it was the turn of their rivals, the Spinola family, to be banned from the City.

During all that period, both Guelfs and Ghibellines took and abandoned the castle of Monaco, which was ideally located to launch political and military operations against Genoa.

Therefore, the story of Francis Grimaldi and his faction – who conquered the castle of Monaco under the disguise of friars in 1297 – is largely anecdotal, though that the symbolism of armed monks on their coat of arms, and their Templar crisis era of foundation, and their Anjou connections, and their "high papal political" Orsini political connections are not.

Another Grimaldi formative event was in the same immediate years after Templar disestablishment, the early 14th century, when the Catalans from Spain raided the shores of Provence and Liguria, challenging Genoa and King Robert of Provence.

In 1353, the combined fleet of eighty Venetian and Catalonian galleys gathered in Sardinia to meet the fleet of sixty galleys under the command of Anthony Grimaldi. Grimaldi, the leader of the fleet, lost. Only nineteen of his Genoese vessels survived the battle. Fearing an invasion, Genoa rushed to request the protection of the lord of Milan. The Grimaldi started making lots of other alliances.

Several of the oldest branches of the House of Grimaldi appeared during those unrests, such as the branches of Antibes, Beuil, Nice, Puget, and Sicily. In 1395, they were back though--the Grimaldis took advantage of further discords in Genoa to take possession of Monaco, which they then ruled as a condominium. This time, they kept it. It is the origin of today's principality.

Besides having their own statelet in Monaco, with its Templar iconography, the Grimaldi's were the hereditary elite of Genoa after this as well still, despite losing so disasterously before it seems strange. The Grimaldis were kept in the circle of the highest hereditary of Genoa--a similar arrangement as the elite of Venice maintained, for example.

As it was customary in Genoa, the Grimaldis organized their family ties within a corporation called Albergo.

Albergos seem to be another prime area for solidifying common ideological (and potentially occult) linkages, similar to how Skull and Bones was formed in the same breath as the families involved in the opium trade in the 1830s in New England.

For instance, the Grimaldi Family was numerically large and formed an albergo, a Genoese association of patricians similar in essence to today's corporations. Not only this kind of organization allowed the Genoese aristocracy to liberate the means to explore the trading opportunities the world had to offer, from London to Beijing, but those families came also to combine resources within powerful multi-family alliances. The Genoese concept of albergo thus stretched from the family to the clan. For example, the Cebàs, Cevas, and Olivas were among two dozen allied families in the Grimaldi albergo.

In sum, the alberghi came to form extended families within which its members generally worked together.

A Branch Sets Root Permanently in Monaco

A branch of the albergo/House of Grimaldi eventually emerged in Monaco, progressively acquiring its land from rivals and securing the sovereignty of the Family through a variety of alliances between Monaco and its neighbors. They acquired adjacent domains and lands making the territory of Monaco larger than today's principality.

In the 15th century, John Grimaldi, lord of Monaco, formally established in his will (1454) the Rules of Succession, to bring his albergo into the succession formally.

It was an important step since Monaco had been a condominium until then. The rule can be summarized as follows: First in line of succession is the male issue, whether legitimate or not, by primogeniture. In the absence of a male heir enters the female issue, whether legitimate or not, by primogeniture, provided that the candidate marries a man legitimately born of the Grimaldi lineage — "unum hominem seu virum natum legitime de progenie seu albergo Grimaldorum." Otherwise, the succession passes to the most closely related member of the Grimaldi albergo. In case there would be two or more Grimaldi cousins alive at equal degrees, the eldest would be chosen.

In the political reform of 1528, this ancient "Grimaldi albergo" association of inbred families became one of the 28 alberghi of the Republic of Genoa, to which other families were formally invited to join. After that, the House of Grimaldi, aided assuredly by its allied albergi networks provided many illustrious personalities such as doges, cardinals, cabinet ministers, and countless officers.

So much for Grimaldi history.

Now let's look at the occult angle of the same history.

This follow text is a series of quotes more about the occult Christianity networks that you, Grace, suddenly were moving within.

First, Grace, it is from a really thin book (thin in content, as well as physically) by Sarah Moran. It is called The Secret World of Cults: From Ancient Druids to Heaven's Gate. It looks a lot like a pop-up book on the outside. However, the book has been mostly stripped of the very interesting intelligence connections to the Solar Temple's case, as well as the history of European esoteric Christian connections. Instead, the book explains breezily away its sanitized story about their lack of connection to anything except themselves and how "puzzling" they were. It leaves more loose ends than explains anything as you will see. Some of these loose ends are filled in by other texts after this from either webpages dealing with certain topics that came up (or more glaringly, failed to be explained by Moran's book). These are highly intersperced with my (non online) book reading which has among other things concentrated on inspecting many European historical interpretations at their intentionally frayed ends or lack of connecting the dots, and putting them back together for drawing the larger picture. it ain't pretty, though I think it's more accurate, because it ain't pretty.

So, Grace, here's what you got into when you married into Monaco's high Catholic royalty, a little understood protected principality hundreds of years old on the French coast though whose name bespeaks everything connected to spycraft imaginable.

These names of Monaco and "Monte Carlo" call to mind, thanks to several generations of cinema, particularly 'Cold War cinema' and James Bond. Monte Carlo's glamorous Belle Époque casino was a model for the setting of Ian Fleming's first Bond novel, Casino Royale (1953), 'Royale-Les-Eaux' being a fictional resort in the style of Monte Carlo. The real Monte Carlo and its casino provided one of the glamorous locations for the 1995 James Bond Film, GoldenEye. Such images of perfect 1950s polyester suited spies, classified information passed over a quiet dinner, murders, defections, ridiculous Alpha-male gambling bets, wine knowledge used like fencing thrusts and parrying, and gambling evenings doubling as staged money laundering with your favorite high priced courtesans who really are spies who will kill you back in your opulent Louis Quinze hotel room (never redecorated since 1793), except to remove bloodstains and patch bullet holes in the walls.

Grace, "this was your life"--and a huge part of your death.


THE ORDER OF THE SOLAR TEMPLE

Luc Jouret, a Belgian-born homeopathic doctor and registered obstetrician [for private occult abortions in their ritual sex acts...?], headed the doomsday cult known as the Order of the Solar Temple.

At the time of writing, 73 people linked to the cult have died, either through suicide [sic] or murder, but some experts believe that the group lives on, and there is a chance more [will die]....

The group was practically unknown until a series of events in October 1994 triggered a massive INTERNATIONAL POLICE INQUIRY into the dealings of "obstetrician" Luc Jouret and his partner in crime, Joseph Di Mambro [who had the Princess Grace connections].

What followed has been a story full of intrigue, conspiracy, [fake media blitzes], and unanswered questions.

Various reports have linked the cult to the Mafia, to the death of Princess Grace [Kelly] of Monaco, to illegal gun smuggling, and to a complex money laundering operation.

One of the biggest mysteries the police had to solve [by shelving...] was how the deaths occurred, and why.

Initial reports in the [Mockingbird] media spoke of the typical [comic book rationalization] of mass suicides, but as autopsies were carried out, it became clear that [someone wanted it to appear as a "self closed case of mass suicide" in the media, though]...not all deaths were voluntary. It seems that a substantial number of the bodies found were victims of murder [same as the artificial story of the "Jonestown 'cult'" which was a story of mass murder instead of mass suicide--a topic that Jeff has touched on previously as presumably a U.S. intelligence operation gone awry or quickly 'terminated' with a requisite fake media story to poison the trail of the murders still alive. The same could be said for the Order of the Solar Temple which had international and quick timed repercussions to 'end the project' all within the period of one or two days despite being separated by thousands of miles from each other's cult sites:]

[FIRST] On October 4, 1994, five bodies were found in the peaceful town of Morin Heights in Quebec, Canada. They were all discovered in the same house, which had been set alight. Police soon realized that it wasn't accidental death when the bodies of ex-Solar Temple members Tony and Nicky Dutoit and their three-month-old baby son were found to have multiple stab wounds. They had been murdered [perhaps ritually]. The two other bodies at the scene were also identified as Solar Temple members.

[SECOND] Just as police linked the burning building to its owner Di Mambro, and investigations began into both the cult leaders' whereabouts, reports came in from Switzerland of a 'mass suicide' [that wasn't as well] in the quiet resort of Chiery.

The events surrounding the discovery [there] of 47 bodies in two locations in Switzerland on October 5, 1994 [merely one day after other "Solar Temple" member bodies were found in Quebec murdered on the other side of the Atlantic] are complex. Locals were amazed that something so dreadful could happen in their midst without them suspecting anything, but it soon became obvious that plans for the deaths had been taking shape for a while.

Police were first called to deal with [similarly] a fire at a farmhouse belonging to 73-year-old Albert Giacobino. It was around midnight when they arrived and found the body of the retired farmer. He had been shot in the head. An elaborately rigged firebomb device had only partially worked, and some rooms were left untouched. [Bonesmen founded] Time Magazine reported [quickly] how a firefighter came across "a chapel [inside the farmhouse] with MIRRORED WALLS [for MKULTRA related? programming? that is one known technique] and red satin draperies where 22 bodies lay, many cloaked in ceremonial white, gold, red, or black robes." The magazine reported that nearly all the dead had been shot, and most had been arranged in a circle among discarded champagne bottles. Ten had been suffocated [similar to how the "Heaven's Gate" operation was 'terminated.']

[THIRD] Only a few hours later, a similar scenario was found in Granges-sur-Salvan, a small skiing village, also in Switzerland. This time the fires had been more successful and all of the bodies would prove hard to identify. A group of three chalets had been rigged with gasoline bombs which were ignored by a ringing telephone [a pretty complex 'James Bond' sort of set up.] While the fires continued to burn, police realized that only two of the three bombs had detonated, leaving a potentially lethal situation for the emergency services. All 25 [of these bodies] had to be identified by their dental records [alone]. Five of them were children.

As more information came to light, it seemed that those involved in the deaths had all been members of a cult called the Order of the Solar Temple.

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Jouret taught that he was a reincarnated Templar Knight (some ex-members have said that Jouret believed, or at least told them, that he was the Son of God), that Di Mambro's daughter Emanuelle was a "cosmic child" conceived by immaculate conception [during ritual sex acts], and that he could take them to a better place [called Sirius. Does this sound familar to some of Jeff's Sirius/Egypitan connected astral planing stories in occult elites?]

The "better place" that Jouret promised was actually in the Sirius star system [similar theme to Heaven's Gate by the way], where he said a planet would be their new home.

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[FOURTH] Just over a year later, 16 more members of the cult died in south-east France. Three of the group were children, and police concluded that not all of the group had voluntarily committed suicide.

[FIFTH] Five more died in St. Casimir, Canada, on March 20, 1997, although the number would have been eight had the three teenage children of one couple not persuaded their parents to let them live.

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Little is known about what tied the group together. Members tended to be wealthy and highly educated. When the dead were finally identified, a former mayor, journalist, and several well-respected businessmen were listed. At first, police thought [and publicly said] Jouret and Di Mambro had escaped, [though they were slapped for saying that publicly--for noting that the leadership killed off its personnel and likely escaped, so the story was revamped to make a cleaner case where]...their bodies [and the convenient murder weapon previous noted to be lost] and those of their families were to be found among the [most thoroughly destroyed bodies] at the Grange-sur-Salvan site [where none of the burned bodies were clearly identifiable].

[Unlike other cults, it was a 'sleeper' kind of network.] Members maintained their jobs and lifestyles, only meeting up when summoned by their leader.

Temple activities [or MKULTRA 'passcode activation' or simply occult orders for acting in their typically administrative and politically powerful lives] were kept secret, and the only active recruiting seems to have been carried out internationally by Jouret and Di Mambro.


Members were taught they were privileged, an elite in society who were privy to special knowledge. Total numbers of...members are unknown, but it seems likely that there were no more than about 600, mainly in Canada, Switzerland, and France.

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Little is known of their activities, but by the time of the first deaths/murders, the cult was already under investigation [then within days, internationally, they are all dead and burned up with few if any witnesses--how convenient.]....Three of them, including Jouret, had been charged with illegal arms possession, and various banks were becoming suspicious about the large amounts of money pouring in. It seems that Di Mambro's business acumen had masterminded [all by his little self?] a complex money-laundering network, based around the ownership and sale of expensive properties....The cult..."may have amassed as much as $93 million."

[And why were they being used as a cover for shipping around illegal armaments?]

While accounts differ as to exactly what the cult members believed and practiced, some surviving members allege that Jouret was actually the third incarnation of Christ on earth. [Here's the spooky elite bloodline issues:] Rituals based on historical interpretations of the Knights Templar practices were carried out in secret. The addition of robes, a strict hierarchy of office,...[is reminiscent of the Illuminati outs stories.]

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Not only were some of the bodies badly beaten, but investigators of the Chiery site concluded that someone had left the site after the massacre and took with him or her the gun used to shoot some of the members. [Then, he went to kill another cell:] The weapon was later [claimed] found after the fires had been put out at the scene of the second tragedy at Granges-sur-Salvan [or it could have been planted there, when that little flub up was noted because "Jouret" was said to have been found there all burned up with the suspicious transferred gun, which conveniently solved the previous story of Jouret escaping].

[So we have a bizarre international money laundering, illicit drug connected, 'sleeper cell' orders taking high elites, involved in ritual sex who think they are the Knights Templar and connected with astral planing to Sirius stories.]

Whether the deaths of the Dutoit family [on October 4, 1994 in Quebec] triggered [one day later international repercussions in Switzerland mass murder as well], or whether Jouret and Di Mambro had been tipped off that various banks around the world had started investigations [already and then cleared house through mass murder] isn't known.

Princess Grace and Di Mambro of the the Solar Temple as a Money Launderering network for the Temple, Grace was Silenced Earlier in 1982

On December 29, 1997, Britain's Channel 4 broadcast a TV documentary on Princess Grace [married into the Merovinginan offshoot line in Monaco intermarried historically into French royalty] as part of their Secret Lives series.

The documentary suggested, that the actress-turned princess was involved with the Order of the Solar Temple.

It was suggested that the Princess was initiated into the cult by none other than Luc Jouret [which would have involved ritual sex] and was then asked by Di Mambro [to be a money cover for their operations] to pay 20 million Swiss francs [that might have been supplied to her to launder for them] for the privilege.

Interviewees, some [so scared they wanted to remain] anonymous, tell of...rituals involving sex and drugs where the Holy Grail would be "materialized" for members.
[Di Mambro said that his own daughter Emanuelle was the product of such a ritual sex "materialization' which he called an "immaculate conception".]

The documentary also suggested that Princess Grace's death, in a car crash [so like Diana, though] in 1982, wasn't an accident but was linked to her involvement with the Solar Temple.

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Frankly, the whole book, on second glance seems like some kind of comic book attempt to stress "isolated cult" aspects of many different stories--while ignoring that almost all of the stories are sanitized versions of strange really high and powerful and well connected groups, some with known intelligence services links.

So Jeff, ever done anything on the Order of the Solar Temple? It sounds like a story worthy of rigorous intuition: with high elite connections, money laundering, royalty, and 'high wierdness' seamlessly touching capable of working internationally all at once.


More on Grace Kelly

Grace, Princess of Monaco, née Grace Patricia Kelly (November 12, 1929 – September 14, 1982) was an Academy Award-winning American film actress who, upon marriage to Rainier III, Prince of Monaco on April 19, 1956, became Her Serene Highness The Princess of Monaco. She was the mother of the principality's current reigning Sovereign Prince, Albert II. Princess Grace was not required to renounce her American citizenship upon her marriage.

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[The (unsurprising) high elite background of the Philadelphian Kelly's, who knew FDR]

Kelly's father's Irish American Catholic family (originally from Kidney Lake, Newport, County Mayo, Ireland) were new but prominent figures in Philadelphia society. The family was well-known and popular throughout the country. Kelly's father was a self-made millionaire and a triple gold-medal-winning Olympic sculler at a time that the sport of rowing was at its zenith. He was active in politics, running for mayor of Philadelphia and serving on the Fairmount Park commission. During World War II, President Franklin Roosevelt appointed the senior Kelly as his National Director of Physical Fitness, a public relations post which allowed Kelly to use his fame to extoll the virtues of physical fitness [and at this period "Anglo Saxon eugenic race/ethnic hierarchy ideals" assuredly.]

Kelly Drive in Philadelphia is named for John, Jr., who was a city councilman there. Her father's large family included two prominent uncles in the arts: Walter Kelly, a vaudevillian, and the Pulitzer Prize–winning playwright, George Kelly. Kelly's maternal grandparents, Carl Majer and Margaretha Berg, were of German descent [as are many bloodline Illuminists].

Although her family had opposed her becoming an actress, Kelly became a fashion model and appeared [highly sponsored to appear] in her first film, Fourteen Hours (1951), when she was 22.

The following year she "starred" (with a supporting role) in High Noon (1952), a generally praised but somewhat controversial western starring Gary Cooper.

Her next film, Mogambo (1953), was a drama set in the Kenyan jungle which centers on the love triangle portrayed by Kelly, Clark Gable, and Ava Gardner. Whilst filming this movie she had an affair with Gable, later memorably commenting "What else is there to do if you're alone in a tent in Africa with Clark Gable?" The movie earned Kelly an Oscar nomination for Best Supporting Actress, but the award went to Donna Reed for her role in From Here to Eternity. Kelly made three films with Alfred Hitchcock: Dial M for Murder, Rear Window, and To Catch a Thief.

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She reportedly was surprised to learn from Rainier that she was expected to give up her film career entirely, but followed his wishes grudgingly.

Her Catholicism and ability to bear children were key factors in her being chosen to marry Prince Rainier, at least officially, though this is truly untrue given the sex lives of the Monaco royalty.

Fear based tales were circulated that Monaco would revert to France in the absence of an heir; and though there is no requirement for a Catholic marriage, it was thought unlikely that a Catholic prince would divorce and remarry if his chosen wife were barren.

In fact, there was really little actual danger that Monaco would revert to France since, in 1882, a childless prince of Monaco could adopt an unrelated heir, thereby ensuring Monaco's survival as a principality.

Prince Rainier's maternal grandfather, Louis II also legitimized his illegitimate daughter Charlotte Louvet (later Princess Charlotte of Monaco, Duchess of Valentinois), who would become Rainier's mother and made her his heir.

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Prince Rainier and Princess Grace had three children:

* Hereditary Princess Caroline Louise Marguerite, born January 23, 1957, and now heiress presumptive to the throne of Monaco

* Albert II, Prince of Monaco, born March 14, 1958

* Princess Stéphanie Marie Elisabeth, born February 1, 1965

In 2002 a new treaty between France and Monaco clarified that even if there are no direct heirs of the reigning prince, the principality will remain an independent nation, rather than reverting to France.

Due to [Kelly's child] Prince Albert's enduring bachelorhood, Monegasque law now states that in the event of a reigning prince's lack of descendants, his siblings and their children will inherit the throne.

The line of succession is now Princess Caroline, then her children by her late second husband Stefano Casiraghi, who died in 1990, and her daughter by her third husband, Ernst August V, Prince of Hanover.

[Those crazy Germano-English Hanoverians still around here as well, marrying into and outflanking France like they are playing "Europe in the 1400s?" Sheesh. Perhaps they are.]

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At the age of 52, in September 1982, Princess Grace [is said to have] suffered a stroke while driving. It had been rumored that she was driving on the same stretch of highway in Monaco that had been featured in To Catch a Thief,....[Rainer III admitted that it was the same area, though he attempted to spin that it was "not the same road, just a little higher up the hill" according to one quote I read! Ah. How different.]

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In the 'discussion' section at her Wikipedia article, we can see the seamy and more real underbelly that fails to fit in the 'Wikipedian Maoist' project of a "proper Party interpretation" of all global information, where, it reads:

"The article is wrong in its claims about Ranier's inability to divorce a wife if she proved 'barren' or about the need to marry a catholic wife. Ranier's family (no, not the younger generation, his precedessors!) led notorious sex lives, regularly having affairs, extra-marital children, multiple divorces, etc. (I think I read somewhere that one of Ranier's parents or grandparents was illegitimate and 'legitimised', but I could be wrong. It was something I read nearly 15 years ago. Was it Ranier himself? ) So the idea that Ranier III had to marry a good catholic girl who could give him children is poppycock. If she couldn't, then as a head of state he could request a Roman Catholic Church annulment or even a Pauline et Petrine Papal Divorce. If it is to enable a catholic monarch to get an heir, the Catholic Church has a long history of bending, twisting and breaking its own rules to help that happen."

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And, from the National, URL:
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/mod03/mod03-story-642.html
Sorry for the lousy source,... though for the quotes from Reiner III, it's priceless.

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Rainier Outraged By Scandalous TV Report That . . . Princess Grace Was A Sex-Cult Priestess

Prince Rainier of Monaco is furiously denying an investigation that claims Princess Grace was a secret priestess in a bizarre sex cult!

Grace joined the Order of the Solar Temple just months before her death
in 1982, according to a blockbuster TV documentary.

They say she stripped and underwent a sexual initiation ceremony -- and she handed over more than $9 million before she eventually turned against the cult's charismatic leader shortly before she died following a [soon very convenient] car accident.

"Grace was a woman of many secrets," said TV producer David Cohen, who
spent a year investigating the cult.

"Her lovers are only one aspect of
the story. She was an extremely religious woman -- and it was her search for spirituality that delivered her to the Order of the Solar Temple."

Prince Rainier "is furious about these claims," a Monaco insider told
The ENQUIRER. [He's dead by 2006, now, buried beside Grace in the 'state Catholic church' of Monaco.]

"He thinks it's all just sensational rubbish to grab TV ratings and a
cheap shot at somebody who can't answer back," the insider said.

"He's convinced it never happened, and he is sure she couldn't have
given them so much money without him knowing. [Which indicates that the money may have been laundered through Grace, as hypothezied above, instead of coming from her.] Prince Rainier is going to make sure this program is never shown in Monaco."

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According to the program, Grace was not alone among the European upper
class...[in]...by the Solar Temple.

Many rich and powerful people in Monaco and Europe were lured to join and then conned out of money by cult
leader Joseph di Mambro.

They were told the Order gave them special access to God during
ceremonies that involved part- Catholic, part-mystic mumbo jumbo.

Shades of Nazis and Blavatsky?

Di Mambro convinced his recruits he was in touch with 33 spiritual
masters who watched over the world from the Himalayas.
He also told
followers that they were reincarnated from biblical figures or saints.

Producers for the program...aired in Britain...say their evidence comes from interviews with the cult leader's chauffeur/security guard and an acupuncturist who stripped and prepared Grace for the initiation ceremony [in an ex-Templar church in the south of France, near Monaco].

When the Princess arrived at the ancient church in the South of France for the rite, she was "frightened and apprehensive" at first.

But she was sexually aroused by the acupuncturist, then given a drugged
drink before being told to lie on a huge round altar in the church's
crypt
during the ceremony.

One of the cult's top leaders, Luc Jouret, then declared her a "High
Priestess of the Order."

[One story is] She was asked to donate $10 million. She paid $9 million, but soon had second thoughts.

Cohen said, "The notion of somebody as loved and respected as Princess
Grace joining a cult -- after undergoing the sexually loaded initiation ceremony -- was hard to believe when we first stumbled across her secret two years ago."

Despite Prince Rainier's strong[winded] denials, Cohen said he is convinced the story is true.

Cohen claims Grace fought with di Mambro when she demanded her money
back, threatening to expose him as a fraud. Then she died [in a likely murder by car tampering or by medical hampering which led to her accident.].


"Her attitude frightened di Mambro," Cohen said. "It draws attention to
the mysterious circumstances of her death."

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WHY WAS IT CALLED THE ORDER OF THE SOLAR TEMPLE.

It was a further addition of 'solar' to the "Order of the Temple," which, ta da, is the Templars 1800s "revolutionary era recreation" out of the shadows, if you believe the story around the "Larmenius Transmission" in the Templars after 1307. Only a very small part of Europe actually banned the Templars, and the Pope (a Blanchefort bloodline pope at the moment--one of the Grandmaster lines of the Templars himself) refused to proscribe them for heresies, and in the end they were simply 'uncommissioned' by 1314. Another author, in the Vatican Secret Archives, has recently (early 2003 I think) turned up a document actually "pardoning" all Templars written by that Pope. The publication of that document, led to some British Templars (supposedly) coming out of the woodwork, giving Guardian-UK newspaper interviews, and demanding a "public apology" from the Papacy about disestablishing them. High wierdness in Europe indeed.

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The Larmenius Transmission:

The [claim of the] Larmenius Transmission traces its descent through Templar survivors in France, and is based on a controversial document called that Charter of Transmission of Larmenius (or the Larmenius Charter for short).

This charter was allegedly drawn up the [document's proclaimed] Templar who was secretly appointed by Jacques de Molay to succeed him, Johannes Marcus Larmenius.

It bears the signatures of all the subsequent (predominantly French) 'secret Grand Masters,' down to the beginning of the 19th century.

The charter was first made public in 1804 by an eminent Parisian doctor (and former Catholic priest who had left the clergy in order to marry) named Bernard Raymond Fabre-Palaprat, who used it as the authority for--as he claimed-- [publicly] reconstituting the Order of the Temple.

Fabre-Palaprat claimed his Order had flourished during the previous century, after an earlier revival led by none other than the Regent of France, Philippe, Duc d'Orleans, in 1705.

Many members of the aristocracy had been members - but they, and the Order, had suffered heavily during the [Illuminati period of] French Revolution [as distinct from the uber-royalist Catholic aristocratic sided groups that wanted a Constitutional monarchy, like Comte de Lafeyette among others.]

The last Grand Master [was claimed to be], the Duc de Cosse-Brissac, was executed in 1792, but had passed the archives, including the Larmenius Charter, to another member, Radix de Chevillon.

Finally, elderly and ailing [and fearing the complete dissolution of this transmission, so the story goes], de Chevillon had entrusted the Charter and other documents to the last four surviving members, which included Dr Fabre-Palaprat, who took it on his own initiative to rebuild the Order.

So....

In March 1808 the revived Order of the Temple staged a very public commemoration of the 494th anniversary of the martyrdom of Jacques de Molay - at which the eulogy was [actually] spoken by the Canon of Notre-Dame Cathedral.

Fabre-Palaprat's Order attracted many [still guillotine-escaped] members from the upper ranks of French society - it is even claimed that Napoleon Bonaparte was a member, although there is no documentary evidence to support this.

[However, it would be unsurprising, since Corsican Napoleon, in marrying Josephine, agreed to adopt her children of a previous marriage, from the Carribean, which were likely Merovingian bloodline connected groups. This was Joséphine de Beauharnais (June 23, 1763 – May 29, 1814), the first wife of Napoléon Bonaparte who became Empress of the French and thus set up her children (Merovingian) to be head of the Napoleonic royal empire, if it had survived). Through her daughter, Hortense, she was the maternal grandmother of [equally hard ultramontane Catholic] Napoleon III.

Marie Josèphe Rose Tascher de la Pagerie was born in Les Trois-Îlets, Martinique, a French territory, to a slave-owning family that owned a sugar plantation. She was a daughter of Joseph-Gaspard de Tascher, chevalier, seigneur de la Pagerie, lieutenant of infantry of the navy, and his wife, the former Rose-Claire des Vergers de Sanois.

[It is claimed by authors like Michael Bradley that de Tasher was a direct Merovingian bloodline sprout ("Plantagenet" actually means something like 'new sprout'--didn't know that occult reference I bet, did you?) A lot of Carribean interesting connections occured as occult bloodline escapees. Another one is the Spanish Monsanto family, by the way....yes, namesake of evil corporation Monsanto so close to parapolitical things in the United States. Monsanto Founder John F. Queeny (1859 --1930) named the company after his aristocratic wife, Olga Mendez Monsanto. Her Spanish father, Maurice Monsanto, was son of Don Emmanuel Mendez de Monsanto, aristocrat knighted by both Queen Isabella II of Spain and King Frederick VII of Denmark. Her German mother, Emma Cleaves, was a daughter of a private secretary to King George IV of Hanover. Three Monsantos--father, mother and daughter--abandoned Europe for residence on wealth generating sugar plantations on the island of Vieques near Puerto Rico. Vieques of course is the infamous U.S. military test range--despite people living on it. The Monsantos additionally had plantations on St. Thomas in the Virgin Islands. The Monsantos moved to 'New World revolutionary central', New York City, in 1878.

Thus, back to the "Larmenius Transmission." Despite or perhaps because of Josephine's blood and her children that were set up to be Napoleonic royal heirs, there is continuity after Napoleon. The Larmenius Transmission document was certainly formally recognised by Louis XVIII in 1814 and the Emperor Napoleon III in 1853.

In October 1779, Joséphine went to Europe with her father. She married Alexandre on December 13, 1779, in Noisy-le-Grand. Although their marriage was not extremely happy, they had two children: a son, Eugène de Beauharnais (1781–1824), and a daughter, Hortense de Beauharnais (1783–1837), who married Napoleon's brother Louis Bonaparte in 1802.

On March 2, 1794, during the Reign of Terror, the Committee of General Security ordered the arrest of Josephine's aristocratic [Merovingian bloodline] husband. He was jailed in the Carmes prison. Considering Joséphine as too close to the "counter-revolutionary" [non-Illuminati, then] financial circles, the Committee ordered her arrest on April 19, 1794 as well. A warrant of arrest was issued against her on 2 Floréal, year II (April 21, 1794), and she was imprisoned in the Carmes prison until 10 Thermidor, year II (July 28, 1794). She was freed thanks to the trial against Robespierre. Her husband, accused of having poorly defended Mainz in 1793, and considered an aristocratic "suspect", was sentenced to death. He was guillotined on July 23, 1794, together with his brother Augustin, on the Place de la Révolution (today's Place de la Concorde) in Paris.

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As a widow, Joséphine de Beauharnais reportedly was mistress to several leading political figures, reportedly including Paul François Jean Nicolas Barras. She met General Napoléon Bonaparte, who was six years younger than she, in 1795, when their romance began. He wrote in a letter to her in December "I awake full of you. Your image and the memory of last night’s intoxicating pleasures has left no rest to my senses." Joséphine was a renowned spendthrift and Barras may have encouraged the relationship with Napoleon in order to get her off his hands.

In January 1796, Napoleon proposed to her and they married on March 9, 1796. Until meeting Napoleon, she had always been Rose. Instead of calling her this name, which he apparently disliked, he called her 'Joséphine,' which she adopted from then on. A busy, but passionate man, Napoleon was not around much during the beginning of their marriage. Soon after the wedding, he left to lead the French army in Italy, but sent her many intensely romantic love letters. She, on the other hand, was hardly as romantic, and sent hardly as many letters, if any, in return. Many of his letters are still intact today, while very few of hers have been found. This could be due either to the fact that he lost them, or that she did not write very many, if at all. Whatever the case, his words were undoubtedly more full of passion.

Joséphine, less in love than Napoleon, began an affair with high society playboy Hippolyte Charles in 1796. This so infuriated and hurt Napoleon that his deep, loyal love changed entirely. Perhaps out of revenge, he took on his own mistress, Pauline Bellisle Foures, the wife of a junior officer who became known as " Napoleon's Cleopatra", the affair having begun during the Egyptian campaign of 1798. The relationship between Joséphine and Napoleon was never the same after her affair. His letters became entirely less loving. As far as we know, Joséphine never took on another lover, but Napoleon continued to take on mistresses.

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Shortly before their coronation, there was an incident at the Château de Saint-Cloud that nearly sundered the marriage between the two. Josephine caught Napoleon in the bedroom of her lady-in-waiting, Elisabeth de Vaudey, and Napoleon threatened to divorce her as she had not produced an heir. Eventually, however, through the efforts of Josephine's natural daughters, the two were reconciled and Napoleon and Joséphine were crowned Emperor and Empress of the French in 1804 in the Notre-Dame cathedral.

When it was clear she was incapable of giving him any children, she painfully agreed to be divorced so he could remarry in the hopes of having an heir to succeed him. The divorce took place on 10 January 1810.

On 11 March 1810, Napoleon married Marie Louise of Austria by proxy; the formal ceremony took place at the Louvre on 1 April. They had one child, Napoleon II of France, who was born in 1811.

[edit] Later life

After her divorce, she lived at the Château de Malmaison, near Paris. She remained on good terms with Napoleon who once said that the only thing to come between them were her debts.

When she died in 1814, she was buried not far from Malmaison, at the St. Pierre and St. Paul church in Rueil. Her daughter Hortense is interred near her.

Curiously, despite his numerous affairs, eventual divorce, and Napoleon's remarrying, the Emperor's last words on the Island of St. Helena were "France, the Army, the Head of the Army, Josephine." [which would imply of course that Napoleon knew he was the chosen puppet for some larger group of "aristocratic counter-revolutionaries" with bloodline intentions and obviously perhaps huge military influence that could aid, or oppose, Napoleon, if he went against it.

So that is the Napoleonic angle. It is known that the same Larmenius Transmission was quickly accepted in 1814 (the year of the death of Josephine) by restored Louis the King of France.

Meanwhile, after Fabre-Palaprat's death in 1838, the British hero of the Napoleonic wars, Sir William Sidney Smith, was elected Grand Master of Papaprat's more overt claims to a restored Order of the Temple.

In the 1840s representatives even entered into talks with Pope Gregory XVI.

Perhaps not surprisingly, the Larmenius Charter has been given short shrift by historians, and almost universally dismissed and ignored as very annoying if true.
However, the Masonic istorian F.J.W. Crowe has demonstrated that, while the document is not necessarily genuine, the reasons that most historians believe it to be a hoax do not stand up to scrutiny.

The main criticisms are that the Latin in which the charter is written is simply too good for the Middle Ages (medieval Latin is notorious for its grammatical errors) and that the wording of the declarations made by the Grand Masters across the centuries do not, as would be expected, vary.

However, Crowe points out that very few of the document's critics have worked from the charter itself, but have used a transcription and translation that was published in the 19th century. Crowe had seen the original - which is now in Mark Masons' Hall in London - and found that the translator had corrected the grammatical errors and standardised the Grand Masters' declarations, in the published versions.

The other main reason why the Larmenius Charter is regarded as a forgery is that it includes a violent denunciation of the 'Scots-Templar deserters'.

[Which would actually make sense if some French templars absconded with French Templar treasure 'illegally' and took it to Scotland, and likely were responsible for aiding Bruce (equally of a french family, de Brus) found an indepenedent Scotland away from both the Papacy (then Scotland was under excommunication as well by the Pope, which made Scottish elites allies by common excommuniation context regardless then) in the crucial Battle of Bannockburn. Official historian of Europe get apopleptic at this point, though without being able to actually prove why if such things as Larmenius Transmission and its quotes about "Scottish treasonous Renegades" from the Templars (Templars still existed from 1307-1314 remember), some of whom seem to have taken away a huge amount of treasure and made out on their own and the other Templars knew it.

As to the document's reference to 'Scots-Templar deserters', historians mostly take this as a reference to Baron von Hund's Strict Templar Observance, which they consider to be an invention of the mid-18th century, which in turn means that the Larmenius Charter must also be a fabrication. However, it could equally mean 1307-1314 period opinions of Templars, where in most of Euruope they were not excommunicated, or tortured. This only happened mostly in France.

Ironically, however, recent research has tended to support von Hund's claims of a Templar survival in Scotland--which puts the whole question of the Larmenius Transmission back to square one.

(Ironically, if the Larmenius Charter is ever proven to be genuine, it would also authenticate its rival, the Scottish Transmission.)

Whether one considers that he founded or mere publicly revived a truely secret order of Templars, Dr Fabre-Palaprat's and 'his' Order continues to flourish today.

It went through several schisms and changes in fortune, under the name of the Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem (SMOTJ), also known by the Latin name Ordo Supremus Militaris Templi Hierosolymitani (OSMTH).

Although tracing its origins Fabre-Palaprat's Order, which is entirely based on claims of Larmenius Transmission, and therefore to the Larmenius Charter, the SMOTJ, likes to distance itself publicly from that, while claiming the same transmission. "So as I say, not as I do" it seems.

SMOTJ today describes itself as a 'Christian ecumenical' Order, does [not] directly endorse the authenticity of the document or claim the Templars as direct ancestors, rather seeing itself as continuing the ideals and principles of the original Order [which can in a mealymouth way mean the same thing].

Significantly, in 1995 the Vatican initiated formal contact with the SMOTJ through the Order's German Priory (whose membership is overwhelmingly Catholic), part of which officially related to reversing the Church's 14th-century verdict on the dissolution of the Knights Templar!

So since 1995, the Papacy itself provided its imprimatur for Larmenius occult forms of Templar transmission from 1307.

It may have been this that led to the rediscovery of lost records in the Vatican archives in early 2002, which, according to one interpretation, appear to show that Pope Clement V was personally persuaded of the innocence both of the Order and of individual leaders such as Jacques de Molay, and which shifts the major part of the blame for the suppression of the Templars onto the political machinations of Philip the Fair.

Background into the "Scottish Transmission" as distinct from the Larmenius Transmission should be noted before we get to the 'Solar' Transmission that attempts to (or proclaims to) trump both the Larmenius and Scottish Transmissions, which both claim to come from post 1307 occult esoteric Templar orders in Europe. (The Solar one, claims to have been started by the still active templar founders themselves as a parallel organization.

The Scottish Transmission:

The Scottish Transmission maintains that the tradition that the main refuge of the Knights Templar after their suppression was in Scotland [similar to the Larmenius transmission, which cross references such a tradition by 'cursing' those renegades that did go to Scotland on their own. Since there is quite a bit more information verifying the documentary claims of the Scottish transmission, and the fact that the Larmenius Transmission ("native French" Templar views for lack of another word or term, on this Scottish flight), we are truly getting into some interesting forms of mutual corroboration that is entirely unintentional. For instance:

There are two components or documentary claims to this line of Scottish transmission: the survival of the Order of the Temple in Scotland and its influence on the origins and history of Freemasonry. The Larmenius Transmission of course corroborates this as well, though dislikes it, so post 1307 there seemed to be at least two wings of esoteric Templarism still around, which makes sense since as noted earlier, Templars were not disestablished (and would have no idea that they would ever suffer such a thing), so a form of 'temporary leadership' would have definitely developed that would have certainly been recombined when they felt that 'all this nonsense would settle out.' However, it never did. And by 1314, with the disestablishment of the Templars officially by the Pope, these two 'once temporary' secret continuity branches of official Templarism were by default fait accompli as esoteric orders of their own, even without their intent or perception when all this started in 1307.

The earliest known public declaration of the Scottish Transmission was made about 70 years earlier than the Larmenius Transmission claims (which have been accorded to documentarily corroborated as authentic for some issues mentioned above, and which reference Scottish Transmission issues, though in the 'French temporary leadership' branch that was forced to go on its own after 1307, just like the Scottish branch after 1307 that the French branch considered "renegades" since most Templars were 'French' and southern French in their property concentration mostly even though their properties extended throughout Europe.

So the Scottish Transmission story came to light in Paris in 1737, in a milestone in Masonic history known as 'Ramsay's Oration'. He never spoke this 'Oration' and it was a printed and very carefully couched written speech about esoteric Transmission of the, in the Larmenius transmission's opinion, the 'renegades of the Scottish Transmission.'

The address by Andrew Michael Ramsay, Ramsey's Oration of 1737, a prominent Scots Freemason and the former tutor to Charles Edward Stuart ('Bonnie Prince Charlie'). [His Grandfather, James I, presumably brought Scottish Masonry to the English court in the early 1600s, on the death of Queen Elizabeth, when the Scottish line arranged to inherit both Scotland (where he was known as James V) and England (where he was known as James I). Since James I was venturing into typically hostile territory, he would have a good cause to bring with him any potential mechansmis to provide and maaintain trustworthy clients. While he was in England, Masonic James I additionally sponsored a complete re-write of the Bible ("King James Version"), including in some things like the Maccabees bloodline issues. It is argued by some that other encoded information was put in the "King James version" of the Bible by master codemaker, Francis Bacon.

Anyway, given this Scottish Masonic context (when Scottish masonry was still literally a secret society instead of "a society with secrets" as the English branch claims presently, i.e., there was a time of course when it was however a true secret society before 1715), Ramsay stated about 20 years after (Scottish in origin) "English freemasonry" came out in the open because Masons were embedded in the Stuart claims of the English throne and some didn't want to be associated with that in England after the Stuarts were toppled in 1688, though they wanted to remain "Masons." So they "outed themselves" as Hanoverian loyalists, which made so many other still secret society cells angry they burned their own information quickly instead of submit it to the "self-outing" English masonic groups that were starting up, and claiming complete jurisdiction over all British Isles masonry.

So in this context, Ramsey comes along. His Oration claims that Freemasonry begun among 'Crusader knights' who had formed themselves into 'lodges of St John', and that Scotland played an important part in the continuity of Freemasonry to his own day.

This was a thinly-veiled allusion to the Templars, as well as the Scottish/Stuart links to the original 'true secret society' Masonry of the Stuart court, which is true though that would take books to describe [see among others The Invisible College (2003), by Robert Lomas, republished for wider appeal with the title Freemasonry & the Birth of Modern Science. The scientific "Royal Society" in England was a Stuart line invention after Stuart Restoration in 1661 for instance, that is hugely a Masonic affair when Masonry was still a "secret society" instead of "a public society with secrets" later.]

After Ramsey in 1737, the next major attempt to popularize that all was "not right" with English freemasonry was in the parapolitical desire to keep the Hanoverians from co-opting the whole 'masonic' thing for themselves in their ongoing dynastic war with the Stuarts (who were still invading into the 1740s in the British Isles). Hanoverians were quick to integrate themselves innto once Stuart-bloodline related secret society issues once scared British masons outed themselves in 1715 as 'loyalists to the Hanoverians' instead of a secret society cell of support for the Stuarts.

Thus, in this context where the Hanoverians were making inroads into stealing secret networks of intelligence and contacts for themselves, a still loyal Stuart dynasty proponent of the connection between Scottish Freemasonry and the Knights Templar was not so reticent. He had Stuart court in exile contacts.

This was Karl Gotthelf, the Reichsfreiherr (Baron) von Hund und Altengrotkau, who went so far as to declare that 'Every Mason is a Templar'.

Like Ramsay, Baron von Hund was linked with the exiled Scottish 'court' surrounding Charles Edward Stuart, through which, he claimed, he had been initiated into a Templar Masonic Order in 1742 or 43. This was right before the huge disaster at Culloden in 1745, when many Stuart supporters were slaughtered and Stuart restoration by war sort of fell by the wayside. It is unsurprising that von Hund helplessly claimed that "he was never contacted again" after being inducted. Likely, the people who supported him were all dead just a year later in 1745.

The French writer Jean Ursin writes in Creation et histoire du Rite Ecossais Rectifie (Creation and History of the Rectified Scottish Rite, 1993):

There is a debate over whether or not [Von Hund] he made a voyage to England, or if it was in Paris that he was received into a Templar Chapter, in the presence of Lord Kilmarnock, by a mysterious 'knight of the red feather,' Eques a Penna Rubra; he had the intimate conviction that it [the 'red feather' secret master spoke cloaked and refused to reveal himself except for a 'red feather' in conversations with Von Hund) was the closely connected to the Stuart Pretender, Charles Edward, and that he had received from Unknown Superiors the mission to reform, to Rectify, Freemasonry [against the Hanoverian inroads of it].

To fulfill his charged mission of returning Freemasonry to its Templar roots [and to Scottish/Stuart dynastic usefulness in competition with the Hanoverian infiltrated branches in England then], Baron von Hund established a new Masonic rite called the 'Strict Templar Observance,' and also produced what he claimed was genuine historical information about the Templars that had been passed on to him by his 'red feather' associated initiators.

Remember that von Hund was initiated in 1742-3, right before the Stuart adherents were all slaughtered in the failed invasion of England in 1745 to oust (in their mind) the "real pretenders", the Hanoverians and all the powerful Whig party London bankers who supported the Hanoverians as their 'puppet kings'.

Since his death in 1776, Baron von Hund has generally been dismissed as either a charlatan or a fantasist - even his own Masonic system rejected his claims concerning its Stuart ancestry and the 'unknown superiors'.

However, his career was far from insignificant: at the age of 20 he was chamberlain to the Elector of Cologne, and subsequently chamberlain to the Elector of Saxony, a Councillor of State and an adviser to the Habsburg Emperor.

[sidenote: It is this German in origin context, through which another transmission starts, that of Swedish Freemasonry, across the Baltic, which is equally "cryptic aristocratic catholic" and hugely a Templar themed higher organization that is actually connected to the von Hund transmission from the Stuarts royal line. Swedish Freemasonry is headed by the royal house of Sweden (then when it was Sweden/Norway, which split in 1910). Swedish Templarism Masonry became sponsored by gray eminence King Karl of Sweden, who besides having perhaps the largest occult library in Europe in the late 1700s, was fanatical about the Templars and paid anything to add more to his collection of Templar memorabilia and incunabula and histories and occult texts. King Karl even had himself painted in a knights outfit, in front of a Templar flag. He was childless, and only took the throne himself as a last resort in sort of a pre-arranged 'kindhearted friendly palace coup' against a relative who lived. This King Karl,sponsored strangely the French Napoleonic military leader Bernadotte as a "counter-revolutionary" aristocratic link to France against the British. Napoleon appointed a lot of interesting bloodlines to what was to be the "new aristocracy" in his empire that failed to work out. The "Bernadotte" bloodline (that's actually not their real name) came presumably from the Pyrenees areas--that hotbed of esoteric bloodlines of Templarism leadership as well as the same area where de Bouillon came from, the leader of the First Crusade who 'retakes' (for his crypto-"Original Christian" (i.e., Jewish non-Gentle Essenic) family his family's home of Jerusalem and the various tombs of. De Bouillion is additionally said to have founded the first monestary of the esoteric Priory of Zion. [See Holy Blood, Holy Grail] So another major bloodline continuity in "Bernadotte" seems involved in Swedish Freemasonry. Though that is another story. To quickly wrap up, there actually is such mystery about the Swedish Freemasonry, that no one has ever written a book about it to my knowledge exclusively, though it ties right into this period of Scottish/Stuart connections to this Habsburg court. As noted in The Origins of Freemasonry: Facts and Fictions, "The Swedish court was deeply masonic and the palace served as feasts for the Swedish Grand Lodge" [p. 59]--which makes sense since Grade 13, the highest grade (or is that grade 11?) was only allowed to be the royal family. It continues: "The fit between the leadership of the leading Stockholm lodges and proximity to the king and court...could not have been tighter. Only Berlin to the south rivaled the linkages between freemasonry and the Central Government. The masonic ambiance of the court of Frederick the Great in Berlin has always been noted," though it is rarely noted that in his youth Frederick the Great was inducted into the Illuminati which proved an embarrasment (though a connection of him) later in life, effectively leading two secret society lives one proper Templar/Catholic Strict Observance, other with Illuminati connections. So in short, the Swedish claims come from the Stuarts to make a long story short, who sold it to esoteric Templarist King Karl (who knows Karl's issues here, I don't) who sponsored "Bernadotte" into the kingship when King Karl and his line was going to die without an heir in the early 1800s. As I said, another story. Swedish Freemasonry, is the only masonic order that stresses, officially and with puritanical zeal, that a requirement is being a Ghristian--very different than (Illuminati secularist) agnostic lodges for instance. Swedish Freemasonry, in what is written about it, is very aristocratic in culture among other Masony. For instance, it doesn't even allow fellow Third Grade masons from other chapter to even visit it, a "masonic breach of brotherhood" in many ways. You have to be of much higher grades to even be allowed visiting status. And all of these trace pretty much back to Scottish Transmission and Suarts as well. Another story...]

The main reason for rejecting von Hund's claims is that, when called upon to do so, he was unable to name those who had bestowed such authority on him because, he said, they had kept their identities secret - and he no longer knew how to contact them. This would have been true though even his one-time supporters thought that this sounded suspiciously like he had simply made his 'unknown superiors' up in order to establish his authority. However, von Hund was hardly some "crazy guy" looking for status and power. He already had it, as chamberlain to the Elector of Saxony, a Councillor of State and an adviser to the Habsburg Emperor. So making any such claims, as he did, cannot be explained by "social climbing." He was already at the top and could only stand to fall, instead of rise, by such jocularity that his claims were greeted.

However discoveries in recent years have tended to repatriate von Hund.

Some of his information does tally with the latest research into the origins of Freemasonry and the Templars.

For example, Baigent and Leigh write in The Temple and the Lodge:

Part of Hund's evidence concerning the pedigree of Strict Observance consists of a list of Grand Masters of the original Knights Templar from their inception in 1118.

Until very recently, there had been numerous such lists, none of which concurred with any of the others and all of which had been academically suspect.

It was not until 1982 that we ourselves were able to produce what can now be regarded as a definitive list of the early Grand Masters (until the loss of Jerusalem, thus, from the 1130s- to around 1187).

This list was compiled with the aid of information and documentation which were not available or accessible in Hund's time, so that he cannot possibly have drawn on the same sources as we did.

And yet, except for the spelling of a single surname, he produced a list, reputedly received from 'unknown superiors', which concurred precisely with our own.


[Thus they argue] Hund's list can only have come from an 'inside source' - from sources that were indeed privy to Templar history and/or records in a way that no 'outsider' at the time could have been.

The Battle of Culloden: 1746 and the slaugher of von Hund's 'unknown superiors'?

Even more favourable to the Baron's case was that Baigent and Leigh were able to identify the 'Knight of the Red Feather' from existing documentation alone.

This had been a stumbling block and a cause or excuse of so much derision on the part of von Hund's detractors. However, in the archives of a Scottish group called Stella Templum, which was formed at the end of the 18th century to preserve documents relating to the Jacobite cause, they found a letter written in 1846 that referred to a ceremonial sword that, 100 years before, had been passed on to Lord Kilmarnock by 'Alexander Seton, the Knight of the Red Feather.'

Alexander Seton, 10th Earl of Eglinton, was a prominent Freemason in the Jacobite movement - and was one of the signatories to the death certificate of Andrew Michael Ramsay, who may almost be regarded as Baron von Hund's 'warm-up man' for the proclamation of the Scottish Transmission.

Baigent and Leigh suggest that the reason that Baron von Hund's 'unknown superiors' seemed to have deserted him was the collapse of the Stuart cause following the Battle of Culloden in 1746, in which many leading Jacobites (including Lord Kilmarnock) were killed or captured to be imprisoned or executed.

However, this evidence in support of von Hund was not known in his day. In 1782, six years after the Baron von Hund's death, a convention of 'reformed' Masonic groups (which included delegations from such groups as the Illuminati of Bavaria) held at Wilhelmsbad attempted to destroy this transmission. Von Hund's Stuart connections of Masonry were rejected and with it authority of Stuart/Scottish bloodline claims although lodges belonging to the [Von Hundian/Stuart] Strict Templar Observance continued, and still exist today. Ferdinand, Duke of Brunswick, presided over the Convent (or Congress) of Wilhelmsbad, and it was here that Illuminati so recently founded in 1776, and associated with the English-to-German royal house started a Hanoverian infiltration that truly expanded on the continent against the Stuart linked masonic networks. Typically for Hanoverians, such infiltration was hugely anti-French, simply for geopolitical rationales alone (its' across the Channel), and which led to a Swiss-English connected Illuminized group plotted to destroy France then in the future "French Revolution." (Look up the background of Necker sometime if you want to open up a whole can of worms..., or look up the British East India Company's connections to the "French" Revolution.)

Another interesting Scottish Transmission bit is that the members of the Militi Templi Scotia who received the 'Stone of Destiny' on its return to Edinburgh from Westminster in 1996 (or at least what the Hanoverians claimed was such).

Meanwhile, in the Larmenius Transmission--still secret in the 1700s until after the huge slaughter of the French Revolution by the Illuminati Swiss-German-English wing), a bloodline connection to other French groups was maintained despite mostly wrecked by the French Revolution, and after Bourbon restoration, the Larmenius Transmission was publicly recognized as 'authentic' (and geopoliticall, against the English geopolitical infiltration as well, as well as a bastion for the remaining high aristocratic French crypto-catholic lines--who in Europe became known as the "ultramontanes"--or hard right Catholics against (English/Illuminist) forms of secular revolutionary pressure.

It was the Illuminati attending Convent/Congress of Wilhelmsbad that approved another system of Freemasonry. This was called the 'Rectified Scottish Rite (Freemasonry)' - which was essentially the Strict Observance under a new name, downplaying the Templar and Scottish bloodline Stuart connection. The Swiss-English-German Hanoverians and their ilk had created an alternative.

The Rectified Scottish Rite, although relatively small compared to other Masonic systems, exists today, and is particularly strong in France.

(The Rectified Scottish Rite should not be confused with the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, which is the dominant form of Freemasonry in the USA and was created in 1804, some years before Palaprat "self-outed" the numerically decaying Larmenius Transmission of the Templars of France, to make it survive with larger numbers. There were presumably only four left in the Larmenius Transmission when Palaprat "self-outed" for survival of the tradition and it was then later accepted and sponsored by restored Bourbons after the Napoleonic-British Wars destroyed the Napoleonic chances of the bloodlines using that empire (After all it was Josephine AND her sister that married Napoleon and HIS brother--doubling the chances of keeping in power in the ongoing Napoleonic empire. Napoleon is supposed to have said to his brother when he was being crowned emperor, "if only our father could see us now." They hit the bigtime, and then he was thrown away by the British though on St. Helena and kept on this well guarded cliff of an island for the rest of his life.

Although this French Congress of Wilhelmsbad in origin system called Rectified Scottish Rite has a Knights Templar degree, it does not place any special emphasis on its connection to the Templars.

However, both the 'Congress of Wilhelsmbad crated and approved' Rectified Scottish Rite and the 1804 U.S. creation of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, are both French in origin. Both were formed first in France and transferred around the world. The Scottish Rite in America has been intimiately involved with the Same Swiss-English attempts to destroy the United States democracy at least half a dozen times over the 1800s, one of them was the Civil War. Back to Europe:

Soon thereafter in the early 1800s, during the Napoleonic-English global war, the "self-outing" of the Larmenius Transmission by Paraprat, with its still surviving French high aristocratic connections, became another "French" Templar order on the 'other side' so to speak from the Illuminized, English, Swiss-Germanic versions and in reaction to them by the remaining bloodlines.

Some 19th- century Catholic churchmen believed that the real purpose of the Convent/Congress of Wilhelmsbad was to organize the English sponsored and British East India Company connected (yes, tis true! on one level) French Revolution, in which the Templars finally wreaked their revenge on the monarchy and Church.

However, it wasn't the Templars wreaking their revenge per se. It was the Swiss-German-Hanoverian English royals and others, angry at the Bourbons sheltering the Stuarts for so long from the Hanoverians, as well as all intermixed with the Enlightenment radical antinomianism of the "Cult of Reason" and the destruction of all organized religion and states in Europe and worldwide. Destruction of all religion and all states was an Illuminati global goal from its foundation in 1776. Templar conspiracies are crypto-catholic, and bloodline transmission related to high aristocratic groups--the kind of people that the French Revolution seriously attempted to completely wipe out. (One of the purposes of seizing the Bastille was not "to free French political prisoners", it was to get the weapons, and it was to get the archive of bloodline documents of the French family and others that was kept under lock and key there. From "the lists", the Illuminiati knew who to kill off more than others, who would be a challenge to their plans of world secular domination, and Christian religious destruction in Europe.]

The belief in a connection between the Templars and the Revolution was widely held - as demonstrated by the persistent rumour that, at the moment of Louis XIV's execution, a stranger in the crowd shouted 'Jacques de Molay, you are avenged!' However, according to the Larmenius Transmission (see below), members of the Order of the Temple themselves suffered badly during the Revolution, which makes more sense that the French revolution was a Hanoverian Swiss-Germanic plot, particularly given the historical geopolitical animosity between England and France. I would be the first to admit there were many other factors of the type preferred more by the "flatland" one-dimensional historiansm. However, they are closer to official fabulists of a bizarre comic book form of popular fake history narratives of the past 250 years since they don't want to (or aren't rewarded when) telling Europe and the world that Europe is thoroughly an esoterically run political place--because that would only cause pressures for more democracy and participation, making such quiet control more difficult.

Several other Masonic systems, apart from the Congress of Wilhelmsbad's Rectified (Sanitized and Secularized) Scottish Rite, emerged from Baron von Hund's Strict Templar Observance, including (despite their name) the Egyptian Rites of Memphis and Misraim, which play an important part in continental European occult Freemasonry. Another controversial society that claims a Templar pedigree, the Priory of Sion, also links itself with this tradition.

However, while forming an important part of the Scottish Transmission, competed over by on one side by French ultramontane Catholic aristocratic bloodline groups, versus Germanic-English-Swiss Illuminati groups (I would be the first to argue that by the 20th century they had seen the use of amalgamation though the divisions are still there), these Masonic groups are really all mutual offshoots rather than direct continuations of the Scottish 'renegade' branch of the Knights Templar.

And there is one more.

According to their own traditions, there continued as as yet another separate entity--that became vocally distinct from the infiltrated Germanic-English-Hanoverian versions of 'masonic' transmission. This is why "Lodge Number Zero" was awarded to a certain Scottish lodge to place it tacitly before Lodge #1, the Grand Lodge of England.

As for this Scottish Transmission that rejected the English-Germanic-Illumiati Congress of Wilhelmsbad's 'reformation' and name appropriation, there are occasional references in documents to a separate 'Order of the Temple' in Scotland.

For example, in 1689 the Grand Master was named as Viscount Dundee (John Claverhouse), who fought and died for the Stuart cause. This was still when "masonry was a secret society" yet to be outed by Londoners, who in claiming "loyalty to Hanoverians" were more likely terrified of being found out as associated with a Scottish Stuart masonic lodge system in England (as the origin of secret society masonry was originally).

Indeed, as London masons were screaming loyalty to Hanoverians and masonry simultaneously, in the first decades, there is a record of a meeting of 'the other side'--between Bonnie Prince Charlie and members of the Order of the Temple in Holyrood House in Edinburgh in 1745, before the slaughter of Culloden in 1746.

Later, in January 1807, records of one of Scottish Freemasonry's most prestigious lodges, the St Mary's Chapel Lodge of Edinburgh, describe a visit of a 'deputation from the Grand Assembly of the High Knights Templar in Edinburgh--headed by their most worshipful Grand Master, Alexander Deuchar.'

More significantly, the account goes on to say that it was 'the first time for some hundred years that any Lodge of Freemasonry had been visited by an assembly of Knights Templar, headed by their Grand Master.'

This indicates that the St Mary's Chapel Lodge had records of visits by the Templars in the early 1700s, only a decade or two after the reference to Viscount Dundee's leadership of the Order of the Temple.

References such as these demonstrate that a group of knights (not masons, knights--and knights in Europe are bloodline issues) calling themselves the 'Order of the Temple' existed in Scotland, in association with the Stuarts and their cause, in the 17th and 18th centuries.


And, because of the association between the Stuart/Bourbon French allied court in Paris, and the 'Scottish' (English-German appropriations of the) (Knights) Order of the Temple discussed above, it appears that it was behind figures such as Baron von Hund, so closely connected as advisor to the Hapssburgs--another hard Catholic group.

However, whether this Scottish Order of the Temple (of "knights") has an unbroken line of descent back to the Templars is more controversial.

Everybody seems to have come out or 'self-outed' by the early 1800s to keep membership up, particularly after the French Revolution decemated the traditional Scottish-French connected bloodlines that went back hundreds of years in the "Scottish Guard" of the French kings. For instance, it appears that Alexander Deuchar - an authority on heraldry who was regarded as Scotland's leading expert on the history and rituals of Freemasonry - had revived the Scottish Order of the Temple in the first years of the 1800s (perhaps turning it from exclusively private "knights" keeping tabs on each other's bloodlines as ex-Templar knights families into a full fledged masonic transmission more open to recruitment about such stories instead of limited to those who personally were involved in the stories).

The "knights" bloodlined Order of the Temple in Scotland supposedly had its high elite aristocratic membership fallen to just six at times during the previous century.

Suitably renamed after moving from knights bloodlines to masons, Deuchar's Order exists today as the Militi Templi Scotia (Knights Templar of Scotland), which (along with other modern Templar and Masonic organisations) uses Rosslyn Chapel for many of its ceremonies appropriately--for that is where the "Scottish Templar renegades" treasure is likely buried.

Radar tomography of the surrounding grounds at Rosslyn Chapel show a huge complex of hidden chambers under and around it. However, no one offiical will allow anyone to dig there. As is the story of many of such things, it innocently is agreed to allow excavation, and when that word gets around in the morning papers or something, then the esoteric groups clamp back down on it. Reading innocent articles, they splutter their morning coffee, and quickly call those in the know to exercise a veto on keeping things under wraps. There are many examples of this happening in many areas: innocent formal authorization, then completely hostile and completely unexplained viscious halting of certain things without so much as an official explanation given. The easy authorization of archaeological digs at Rosslyn, and then the spluttering and completely unexplained (and intentionally unexplained) anger on the topic as word got around, is only one example.

So, onto the The 'Solar' Transmission, and Grace Kelly. Grace stepped into occult Catholic ultramontanes involved in a lot of hanky panky:

The third - and, given the evidence, most unlikely (or if true, a hell of a story) - modern group of societies that claim to be the legitimate heirs of the original 1100s coterie of Knights Templar are those adhering to Solar Transmission (or Tradition).

This was perhaps best known from New Age writer Gaetan Delaforge's The Templar Tradition in the Age of Aquarius (1987) - until the fiery deaths of members of one of the groups belonging to this line, the Order of the Solar Temple, in 1994.

So unlike Scottish and Larmenius Transmissions, the 'Solar Transmission' does not base itself on a direct historical line of descent after 1307, but claims that its mandate derives from psychic contact with the spirits of the last of the Templars or from the original templars themselves of the 1100s.

The Solar Tradition was founded in France in 1952 by a group led by the alchemist Jacques Breyer, who met at the castle of Arginy, in the Beaujolais region, where they believed the Templars had hidden relics at the time of their suppression (the most important being a finger bone of John the Baptist).

However, apparently they failed to find these relics, and turned instead to mediumistic communication with the old Templar knights - who he claimed authorised the founding of a new Order, the Sovereign Order of the Solar Temple.

Its founders appear to have been led to Arginy by an intriguing document in the Bibliotheque Nationale in Paris, which was written around 1750 and stated that Jacques de Molay had passed authority on to his nephew, Guillaume de Beaujeu, who had hidden important Templar relics on his family estates.

Nothing of this document's provenance is known, but Arginy was part of the Beaujeu lands, and this seems to be the reason that Jacques Breyer and his companions were first attracted there.

Another interesting point about Arginy: it was where the Templar oath between the knights were founded:

"Hugh de Payens and eight other knights took vows on June 12, 1118 at Arginy Castle near Lyons, France. The nine founders pledged themselves to Christ and to the protection of pilgrims traveling in the holy land, the textbooks tell us. [However, they did no such thing, and for nine years it seems they were 'early archaeologists' Under the Temple Mount, finding Jewish treasures and spiriting them away.] King Baudouin of Jerusalem, whose brother, Godfroi de Bouillon, had captured the holy city...for Christendom [and his bloodline] nineteen years prior, received them as knights at his palace with open arms, [however, he bizarrely gave up his established palace for "nine strangers" to dig within, and he moved elsewhere.] According to tradition, the knights built quarters over the ruins of [what was considered to be] Solomon's Temple, which some modern commentators believe says something about the Order's secret purpose....

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The Order's official raison d'etre, as protectors of pilgrims, remains on the books. Judged by their endeavors and associations, however, the Templars had more profound goals than the textbooks reveal, creating, for instance, material receptacles, Grails, if you will, for the spiritual essence revered within their Mystery tradition: preceptories, cathedrals, churches, even nations, a universal brotherhood. [They were founding an alternative Christianty based on relics and a great deal of lay lines splayed out across Europe--for some astounding information read the Knights Templar in the Golden Age of Spain: Their Hidden History on the Iberian Peninsula by "regular academic" Juan Garcia Atienza.] To this end, the original nine knights excavated the Temple of Solomon, possibly hoping to find the lost Ark of the Covenant (see Graham Hancock's The Sign and the Seal; or more likely, see the arguments mentioned in the [maddening great and terrible at the same moment] book Templar Gold: Discovering the Ark of the Covenant by Patrick Byrne]. So doing, the Templars would have wielded authority that transcended even the pope's, paving the way for a Templar state adorned with structures of mystically oriented design" [which would have effectively solidified "Old Testament" Judaism and "New Testament Christianity (back to its Essenic roots) in one religion, under their esoteric bloodline transmission, like they wanted.]

So, like the Nazis attempted to find in the south of France in WWII, looking for the Ark of the Covenant and other "Grail related" Templar memorabilia (which they presumably failed in doing, leading the Nazis to murder the failed researcher--I can't think of his name right now. They recently republished his 1930s book on "Grail" research, that the Nazis were very interested in.

So in short, in the 1950s, this Order of the Solar Temple group is looking for the Ark of the Covenant and other important Temple Mount relics, like the Nazis were mere years before. Based on their 'inside information', Breyer and his group claimed that the original Order of the Temple had been founded at Arginy by the original nine knights led by Hugues de Payens on 12 June 1118. The same nine nights later went on from the 1128 Council of Troyes, to found the Papal sponsored (though Bernard of Clairveux pressured) Knights Templar as the vehicle to transmogrify Roman Catholicism toward a more Jewish-Christian bloodline ecumenical religion based on graded inductions and relic worship for the masses, and secret knowledge for the elites. That's a pretty major conspiracy there this Order of the Solar Temple is geting caught up in.

So they were claiming to have "out Larmenius'ed" the Larmenius Transmission, and out "Scottish'ed" the Scottish Transmission, by claiming that there was a secret group within the original living Templars long before they were even Templars, and long bfore the 1307 attacks on Templars that led to their dissolution in 1314.

And it is these Order of the Solar Temple people--who despite the ritual sex--are supremely hard right Catholics, tied directly into Nazi and Gladio networks as noted below.

The Solar Tradition incorporates elements derived from 19th and 20th century esoteric philosophies such as Theosophy and, in particular, those promoted by channeller Alice A. Bailey, who claimed to have been taught the 'Solar doctrine' through psychic contact with 'secret masters'. With connecting themselves to Bailey, another can of worms is opened--because the Order of the Solar Temple has then a huge connection to American elites.

Alice A. Bailey (16 June 1880 ‑ 15 December 1949), writer and lecturer on Neo-Theosophy, was born in England in 1880 as Alice LaTrobe Bateman. She moved to America in 1907 where she spent the rest of her life. She was a prolific author on mysticism and founded an international esoteric movement. Like Crowley, her writings gave rise to many aspects of contemporary New Age belief.

Alice Ann Bailey was born in Manchester, England in 1880. She had a strong Christian education, and went on to do evangelical work in the British Army, which took her to India in 1907, where she met her future husband, Walter Evans.

Together they moved to America, where W. Evans became an Episcopalian priest: but their life became harder and harder, and their marriage, after the birth of three daughters, ended in divorce.

In America, Alice Bailey made contact with the Theosophical Society, in which she encountered the work of Helena Petrovna Blavatsky. This led her eventually to become a member of the Esoteric section of the Theosophical Society.

Some years later, she left the Society, but continued to recognise the importance of Madame Blavatsky's works in her life.

Through her studies of Blavatsky's descriptions of esoteric Masters in Theosophy, Alice Bailey recognised the spiritual guide she believed had helped her from the age of fifteen as the Theosophical Master "Koot Humi" (also spelled Kuthumi). Later in 1919 she claimed to be in touch with another Master, Djwhal Khul, also known as The Tibetan.

This began Alice Bailey's writings, 24 books in which she and her claimed Tibetan Master illustrate a body of esoteric teachings relating to ancient wisdom, theosophical studies, religion, philosophy and contemporary events from 1919 to 1949.

In 1920 Alice Bailey married another theosophist, Foster Bailey, and in 1923 they founded the Arcane School to continue her teachings and form a school for the disciples of the coming new era.

Alice Bailey's books are on subjects such as the path of spiritual evolution, the Spiritual Hierarchy, the new discipleship, spiritual meditation as a form of service for human beings, on esoteric astrology, and on esoteric healing.

She envisages a new world religion in which every human being, regardless of race, religion, or sex, could be free to search truth in peace and brotherhood.

It has been said by her supporters that Bailey's books are more inspirational than informational, and that the works themselves are occult artifacts which have a definite effect upon those who read them.

All these books, especially the Treatise of the Seven Rays, are written in a scheme that suggest a spiritual path to be followed to expand mental horizons and gain a new wisdom and awareness on the world and of human beings. The reader is invited to meditate deeply on the theories espoused, and to use intuition to awaken the higher mind and to see beyond first-glance conclusions.

The introduction, written in 1934, explains the purpose of the teachings. She claimed this was written directly by The Tibetan:

"The books that I have written are sent out with no claim for their acceptance. They may, or may not, be correct, true and useful. It is for you to ascertain their truth by right practice and by the exercise of the intuition. Neither I nor A.A.B. is the least interested in having them acclaimed as inspired writing or in having anyone speak of them (with bated breath) as being the work of one of the masters If they present truth in such a way that it follows sequentially upon that already offered in the world teachings if the information given raises the aspiration and the will-to-serve from the plane of the emotions to that of the mind; (the plane whereon the Masters can be found) then they will have served their purpose. If the teaching conveyed calls forth a response from the illumined mind of the worker in the world, and brings a flashing forth of the intuition, then let that teaching be accepted. But not otherwise. If the statements meet with eventual corroboration or are deemed true under the test of the Law of Correspondences, then that is well and good. But should this not be so, let not the student accept what is said."

Like the Nazis, and like Crowley, some of Bailey's writings have been criticised for perceived racism and anti-Semitism. For instance, she wrote that the Nazi atrocities against the Jews had come about because "The Jewish race, who loved the possessions of the world more than they loved the service of Light, joined ranks with the rebels against God" and therefore "... the law of racial karma is working and the Jews are paying the price, factually and symbolically, for all they have done in the past." She further claimed that "the Jews are the reincarnation of spiritual failures or residues from another planet..." and that "the word 'love' for others is lacking in Judaism... The Jew has never grasped the love of God." (Esoteric Healing, 1949), etc. Profoundly an esoteric race theorist, however innocuous she looked, she wrote tidily and more than a bit acidly that anti-Semitism would cease when there were no mre Jews: "the Jewish problem will be solved by intermarriage; that of the Negro will not." (Esoteric Healing, p. 263 et. seq.) (ref)

Bailey herself addressed this issue later in life: “The Jewish problem has seemed to me well nigh insoluble. I [Alice Bailey], at this time see no way out, except through the slow process of evolution and a planned educational campaign. I have no anti-Jewish feeling [i.e., she just things they should all disappear!]; ... "I have been officially on Hitler's "blacklist" because of my defence of the Jews whilst lecturing up and down western Europe. In spite, however, of knowing full well the wonderful qualities of the Jew, his contribution to western culture and learning and his wonderful assets and gifts along the line of the creative arts I still fail to see any immediate solution of their crucial and appalling problem [of the existence of Jewry].”[from the Unfinished Autobiography, Alice A. Bailey.pp.118-9]

In a terrible symmetry, all of Alice Bailey's book publisher to this day is Lucis Trust, part of the Arcane School. Look them up if you want evil.

Central to Bailey's system was the claim that human civilisation owes much to spiritually advanced beings from the Sirius star system, an idea that the Sovereign Order of the Solar Temple seized upon.

The Order appealed particularly to the upper strata of European society, its major achievement being the endorsement and patronage of Prince Rainier III of Monaco. One of his closest advisors, Jean-Louis Marsan, became Grand Master of the Order

Despite Reiner III's apoplectic denunciations--concerning Grace Kelly's 'isolated' or 'non-existant' involvement, likely Reiner her oversexed Catholic king husband not her, introduced her to it.

Reiner III was a real letch. That something like "ritual" sex existed, capable of solacing his repressive Catholic mindset and loins simultaneously surely must have been a self-rationalization dream come true.

So therefore it is perhaps less sensational a story now that Reiner III would have introduced Grace to the Order of the Solar Temple himself, or how Grace could have been caught up in something so highly esoteric and relegated to a very small European and American elite.

And that her connections (according to the British documentary, which could involve her in the Solar Temple's high elite money laundering as a motive for her likely murder) stem from Reiner III's likely aid: Di Mambro could have done it alone, or Di Mambro could have done it with aid of Reiner III--if it was a murder, helping to cover up his "always troubling" and outspoken American wife, who mere months after being introduced to the Solar Temple, was already set on exposing it all in 1981-2.

Full circle where this started, Prince Rainier III's wife, American Grace Kelly (a chafing 'former' film star who disliked Reiner's III curtailing her career) is known to have been a member.

However, over the years [like Gladio in Europe] the Monaco connected Sovereign Order moved inexorably to the extreme right under the influence of Julien Origas, a Frenchman who had been imprisoned after the war for his collaboration with the Gestapo.

The Order of the Solar Temple became linked to the European-wide network of extreme right-wing groups that included the notorious Propaganda Due (P2) Masonic lodge of Italy.

And that leads us to George H. W. Bush, since Gelli, administrator of P2 'parallel occult government' of Italy, was standing next to George H. W. Bush when he was inaugurated in 1988. Who was sponsoring who publicly? It is reputed that "of course" Bush was inviting Gelli. However, what if it was Gelli who was making it known that his organization was sponsoring Bush?

If the overlaps between Solar Temple, Gladio, and P2 are all intermixed, this makes for quite an interesting occult right wing in Europe.

The very year or (or the year before) so that Grace Kelly was being ritually screwed in the crypt, in 1981 the Sovereign Order spawned a similarly named society, the more infamous Order of the Solar Temple, under the leadership of Joseph di Mambro.

He's the one who presumably got into fights with Princess Grace Kelly over her rocking the boat.

This di Mambro branch contained ritual sex, money laundering, and illegal weapons smuggling. It recruited members chiefly from the New Age movement in France, Switzerland and Canada.

Its exact relationship with the hard right wing Gladio-networked and overlapped Sovereign Order of the Solar Temple - whether it was a breakaway group or simply an offshoot - is unclear. Since the tragic mass murder/suicide events that unfolded in the mid 1990s, the Sovereign Order as the 'parent' of the Solar Temple has been at pains to attempt to distance itself from "di Mambro's organisation"--despite it being and coming from their own esoteric neo-Nazi Templar occult wing.

That's perhaps why di Mambro had so much right wing connections, known money laundering connections, high bank investigations pending, and high political connections, and illegal arms deals connections. He was a cutout of sorts for the other organization.

As said above, the Order of the Solar Temple hit the headlines in October 1994 in a desparate attempt to escape even more revealing headlines about upcoming bank money laundering investigatinos that were intenational in scope. So, instead of being badly burned by these investigations, it badly burned the bodies of 53 of its members - including it is still officially claimed, conveniently that of di Mambro himself. It was within hours on both sides of the Atlanic-- Quebec to Switzerland--that cult compounds started to be killed off right in the midst of attempting to escape banking investigations and the claimed useful deaths of the very leadership under investigation and the burning up of much of their property and several dozen witnesses to their activities.

Although it is said that they committed suicide, this is untrue and part of the coverup. Police note that many were murdered. It is clear that this type of dramatic exit was perhaps less dramatic than upcoming banking investigations into massive money laundering connected to di Mambro--and many others. The story of these banking investigations seem to have ended or put under wraps afer over 70 people were murdered within 24 hours and/or committed suicide over it.

With the evidence that at least some of the victims were murdered, including small children, further tidying-up deaths followed in 1995 one year later.

Conclusion

With Monaco high politics still likely connected to the Order of the Solar Temple, money laundering, and a whole lot of neo-nazi esoteric Catholic ideologies, and with a bit of ritual sex and "spiritual manifestation of impregnation" thrown in there for good measure, it sounds a lot like some of the attempts of John Parsons' to create the Antichrist through similar ritual sex out in California, while the Solar Temple was attempting to do the opposite: challelling ritual sex to create Christian immaculate conception" since de Mambro is reputed to have claimed his own daughter Emanuelle was 'generated' as an "immaculate conception" out of such Solar Temple ritual sex, with the few survivors that were willing to talk.

So much for the old story of Grace's death. Being thrown into Monaco connected neo-Nazi, Templaresque ritual sex aristocrats and high politicans and businessmen seems a more memorable way to go.

12/12/2006 11:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gotta love this little film of the 1956 wedding of Reiner III and Hitchcock star Grace Kelly, which really captures ominous opulence and the era before the 1960s well. Britain looked the same way as late as the 1950s. Look up pictures of the royals then there. By the 1960s, even Prince Charles was wearing his hair long "like a Beatle."

And I love the quote "traditional Catholic marriage" (in French) in the narration after the above Solar Temple stuff.

Zut alors! Cependant, quelle tradition christiene est-ce que le narrateur parle?

Reiner III looks sort of like a overly scrubbed, pug nosed dissolute street tough, uncomfortably the king of his own "Catholic gambling princedom"--a level of elite doublethink that European royals carry off well with practiced bored depravity 'to the manor born'. Sort of like Bush.

Le Mariage du Prince Rainier et de Grace Kelly in timeless black and white

INA
5 min 42 sec - Aug 30, 2006
www.ina.fr
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2250107675257466244

To view it, I had to keep jiggling the playback button, since it reset over and over halfway through. Just grab it with the mouse and pull it over to where you were last, and it should pick it back up.

Nice establishing shot of the Rock of Monaco.

No, Hitchcock didn't direct it though it has the feel of the world's shortest film noir in some places. In one spooky place where a packed crowd starts to push and ogle at Hitchcock's favorite star Grace Kelly, I felt like I was watching Rear Window or Vertigo or something--a little Hitchcock deja vu of psychodrama and I momentarily forgot that this was not staged. The dark wedding seems unintentionally film noir as well. It could have closed with the Hitchcock scene where Grace Kelly swerves down the Monaco curved roads....It had been rumored that she was driving on the same stretch of highway in Monaco that had been featured in To Catch a Thief, and Rainer III himself reputedly said it was a road just a bit higher up the hill, though not the exact road as in the 1955 film To Catch a Thief...

To Catch a Thief is a 1955 film directed by Alfred Hitchcock, starring Cary Grant, Grace Kelly, Jessie Royce Landis and John Williams. The movie is set on the French Riviera and Monaco. In 1956, the next year, Grace Kelly was Princess Grace of Monaco, and died in 1982 (several months after entering the Order of the Solar Temple) on the roads filmed in her last 1955 Hitchcock film.

12/12/2006 12:25:00 PM  
Blogger Severina said...

Jeff,

Actually, this is a request from another, earlier post. You had a link on your Black Lodge post to a humanoid encounter database, but it is broken. Can you forward the link if you have it? You can leave it as a comment on my blog.
I commented on that post, but I'm not sure it got through. You have A LOT of mischievous interference on that post. I could barely load the page.

12/12/2006 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous xsicx said...

"A few weeks before the crash, the Mercedes had been stolen from the garage of the Ritz Hotel. "Police recovered the car but found that its instrumentation had been tampered with," Kenn Thomas writes in The Octopus. The limo was then reconditioned. LeWinter's likely hoax document notes this, stating that the car was "rebuilt to respond to external radio controls"

Does Diana's Death have a link now to 9/11?....Remote Control..

PROMIS Software rears it's ugly head again.....

12/12/2006 12:31:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Beter link for the Humanoid Encounter Database.

12/12/2006 01:08:00 PM  
Blogger Morgan Wolf said...

Great post, Jeff. Very interesting comments, folks.

I think it's appropriate to blog the Diana mystery. Her marriage, life, and death are a 3-act tragedy.

I knew when she hooked up with Dodi that she was in deep trouble. Not gonna happen, as GHWB often said.

Michael wrote:
"Hers was the most arranged of arranged marriages, and once she fulfilled her destiny, she became more valuable dead than alive - an icon of suffering and beauty."

Yes. Well-put. How horrible to lose her innocence as she did. The reality that she was nothing more to Charles than a disposable breeding machine strikes at the heart of every woman who has ever been in love. Her story is a terrible lesson - a 'real life' counterpoint to the Cinderella myth that Disney feeds to gullible little girls. Prince Charming does not, and cannot, exist in the real world. At least, not with royal blood! (All you 'commoner princes' who work and sacrifice for your ladies and children are the real men of the world. Hats off to you.)

anon @ 7:49 wrote:
"However the Royal family must have known Harry was a 'half-blood prince' (chortle, Rowling knows too!) as they are blood tested at birth for this reason."

Hmm. I did not know about this practice, but it makes perfect sense. Thanks for enlightening me. I've always sensed that Harry was Hewitt's. Yes, the resemblance is uncanny. The boys must realize it, as well. I agree with you, smiths. How could they not? Wills with his perfect, blond, king-in-training looks vs Harry's Titian warrior. I hope Harry does something great and good for the world, in his own right. Perhaps that's naive. I still hope it.

Silverfox wrote:
"It was her own sense of self-importance and celebrity that made her vulnerable."

Yes! I used to wonder why she didn't lay low. Did she really believe she could outwit them/outlast them/escape from their despicable power?

It's still sad, after all these years.

12/12/2006 02:23:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Anonymous 11:10 AM,

Your “comment” was only 18,707 words long—so brief, I fear, that no one could have any idea what it “meant” or why you “posted” it.

Could you possibly include a lengthier explanation? 44 pages is hardly a reasonable length for such a deep topic…what was it again?

12/12/2006 02:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will do IC. thanks. I skip over you as well sometimes, so I don't take offense. If it offends, it's not difficult to ignore it. Please be my guest. No offense taken, so don't attempt to start one.

The other death--Reiner III, Grace's husband is film noir in color. Same setting as the previous 1956 film exactly. Even the priest in the film (in French) notes that Rainer III and Grace Kelly "were married in the same cathedral" as they were assembled for the funeral of Reiner III in 2005.

A strange sword--and little dagger that seems really out of place--is sort of placed on Reiner's coffin, unknown why.


Funeral Of Prince Ranier Of Monaco in 2005
2 min 59 sec - Apr 15, 2005
www.itnsource.com
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1800338665828119822

Only the seemingly potentially Merovingian lineaged royals were all present at Reiner III's Grimaldi family funeral in Monaco:

[1] the Bernadotte were there (Swedish King Gustav);

[2] the still existing Spanish/Merovingian lineage line of kings protected by pro-royalist dictator of Spain (not really fascist dictator, since he opposed Nazis as well, which led him to protect the line of Juan Carlos from destruction in the 1930s, so Juan Carlos, of the King of Spain's Bourbon line, could be there still alive in 2005);

[3] Dutch crown prince Willem-Alexander (otherwise known as "van Buren" was there;

[4] and the British Hanoverian representative was Prince Andrew.

For #4, Hanoverian Merovingian connection is their marriage, long ago in a generation far far away, to the daughter of James I, king of Scotland and England in the early 1600s to make the Winter King and Queen of Bohemia. It is from that early 1600s marriage, that the whole Hanoverian claim to that female Stuart--and their puppeted sponsorship by the Whigs to the English throne in 1715, against another Stuart claim from William and Mary (Stuart), is how they got there in the first place. In some sense, in other words, it is only Stuart claims of various kinds to this day that that seem to satisfy someone that the Hanoverians are tolerated as proxy in the British throne.

Merde. Given these four royals associating themselves with Grimaldis, if I'm right, spooky confirmation on four levels of only Merovingian royals appearing at the Grimaldi funeral, more confirmation than I ever imagined would be seen of Grimaldi Merovingian pretensions and Scottish Templar esoteric hard right Catholic Christian (and aristocratic Protestant) connections, which go to the Stuarts of Scotland as well in #3 and #4.

#3 is the rather odd Dutch Merovingian connection to some U.S. Presidential politics. For those who didn't know the Dutch still had a royal line, connected to the original 1688-1715 "[Dutch] William and Mary [Stuart]" king and queen that made themselves over into England as well, this was the other Orange bloodline between 1688-1715, passing after 1715 to another Stuart connection, the Hanoverians.

Prince Willem-Alexander, Prince of Orange, (Willem-Alexander Claus George Ferdinand van Oranje-Nassau, Prins van Oranje, Prins der Nederlanden, Prins van Oranje-Nassau, Jonkheer van Amsberg, born at April 27, 1967) is the eldest son of [Bilderberger] Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands and is the heir apparent to the Dutch throne, with the style HRH The Prince of Orange (in Dutch: "Z.K.H. de Prins van Oranje")....Prince Willem-Alexander was born in Utrecht. His godparents are Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, Prince Ferdinand von Bismarck, Professor Dr. Jelle Zijlstra, Gosta van Amsberg, Queen Margrethe II of Denmark, and Renee Smith. He was educated at a Protestant grammar school in The Hague, where he mixed with children from all social backgrounds. He also attended the United World College of the Atlantic in Wales prior to university. He has been groomed in state affairs to assume the Dutch throne one day. He earned an academic degree in history from Leiden University and is interested in international water management issues.

Merde encore: "Prince Willem-Alexander is an honorary member of the World Commission on [The Privatization of] Water for the 21st Century and patron of the Global Water Partnership, a body established by the World Bank, the UN, and the [Merde encore, Bernadotte connections:] Swedish Ministry of Development."

The U.S. Presidential connection to this Dutch branch is that using the name "Van Buren" is one of the less well-known surnames of the House of Orange-Nassau,....which likely was the Presidential line in the U.S. President Van Buren, thus, connected to the Dutch Princes of Orange. There's a strange relationship as below as well between the Churchills and the van Burens.

Another strange relationship is that the Dutch Presidential Van Burens several generations from President Van Buren had married into the Quackenbushes. These Van Buren-Quackenbushes married into the Theodore Roosevelt line of the Roosvelts and the Franklin Delano Roosevelt wing of the Roosevelts. Roosevelt is Dutch ancestry as well, Dutch for "Rose Garden"--and Roses and other things have a great deal to do with various occult Europe things. Napoleon's first wife (Merovingian de Tasher lined) "Josephine"--her real name was Rose as well.

As for the current Dutch royal line, on February 2, 2002, he married Máxima Zorreguieta (born 1971), an Argentine woman of French, Spanish, and Italian ancestry who, prior to their marriage, worked as an investment banker in New York City.

In choosing her, the prince continued the Dutch monarchy's tradition of choosing a controversial partner. Like all Dutch monarchs, Prince Willem-Alexander is a nominal member of the Protestant Dutch Reformed church but, unlike the highly controversial 1964 marriage to a Roman Catholic by his aunt, Princess Irene, religion was not a major issue in the Prince's marriage.

The prince is a direct descendant of Anne, Princess Royal, eldest daughter of British King George II.

However, under the British Act of Settlement, Prince Willem-Alexander forfeited his (pretty distant) succession rights to the British throne, because he married a Catholic.

The issue of "twentysomething daugher/investment banker" is that Máxima's father, Jorge Horacio Zorreguieta Stefanini was rather sensitive: he was a civilian member of the Videla regime, a dictatorship that ruled Argentina from 1976 to 1983.

As a result of the controversy, Mr. Zorreguieta agreed not to attend the royal wedding when representatives of Prime Minister Kok requested him to stay away.

So, President Van Buren of the U.S. might be related to the Dutch royal house of the same surname. His Dutch Presidential van Buren connections are intermarried into other Dutch Presidential lines, the Roosevelts later.

Roosevelts had one of the first private banks in New York City.

And the Delano grandfather of the Franklin Roosevelt side were opium smugglers.

The other Theodore Roosevelt side basically was a captive pawn of another banking clan, the Morgan bank, throughout his Presidency. Morgan representative lived in the White House with TR and gave him his talking points every morning.

Kinderhook is a town in Columbia County, New York, USA, and home of the van Buren Presidential private estate. The name of the town means "Children's Corner" in the language of the original Dutch settlers. Martin Van Buren was born in the village. The town is in the northern part of Columbia County. Lindenwald, Martin Van Buren's retirement home, is in Kinderhook.

The bizarre bloodline thing about Kinderhook: Jennie Jerome, presumed mother of Winston Churchill, lived in Kinderhook after her father acquired Van Buren's home of Lindenwald?!

A noted beauty—an admirer said that there was "more of the panther than of the woman in her look".

What on earth possessed British aristocracy connections to purchase the van Buren home, except a family relation?

Long considered one of the most beautiful women of the time, she married, first, in 1874, at the British Embassy in Paris, France, Lord Randolph Churchill (1849–1895), third son of John Winston Spencer-Churchill, the 7th Duke of Marlborough. (Princess Diana was a Spencer breeding mare as well, way back. John Kerry has Spencer in him as well I think.)

By this marriage, she acquired the title "Lady Randolph Churchill." They had two sons (or didn't--both parentages are in question by some): Winston Churchill (1874–1965) and John Strange Spencer-Churchill (1880–1947).

As was the custom of the day, she played a limited role in her sons' upbringing, relying largely upon nannies such as Winston's beloved Mrs. (Elizabeth) Everest. Winston completely worshipped his mother, writing her numerous letters during his time away from home at school, begging her to visit him, which she rarely did. However, after he became an adult, she and he became good friends and strong allies, to the point where Winston regarded her almost more as a sister than as a mother.

[Some claim that she was not even his mother, who was actually a Jewish fling of Churchill's father, which explains Jenny's distance from Winston as well.]

Jennie was influential in the uppermost British social and political circles. It was said that Alexandra of Denmark especially enjoyed her company, finding her appealing and enjoyable, despite the fact that Jennie had been involved in an affair with Alexandra's husband, Edward VII, a fact that was well known by Alexandra. [3] Through her family contacts and her extra-marital romantic relationships, Jennie greatly helped Lord Randolph's early career as well as that of her eldest son [only perhaps...] Winston.

It has been long rumored that her second son, John Churchill, was not fathered by her husband Lord Randolph, but instead was possibly the son of an Irish nobleman, Col. John Strange Jocelyn, 5th Earl of Roden (1823–1897), with whom she is believed to have had an affair. That seems unlikely, however, given the similarity of names, which would seem a bit obvious under the circumstances that this was an alleged secret affair. She did, however, have numerous lovers during her marriage, including Count Charles Andreas Kinsky, 'playboy king' King Edward VII of the United Kingdom who pretty much helped set up the alliances that started off WWI 'automatically' in a chain of reactions, and King Milan of Serbia, the more prominent ones with the full knowledge of her husband.

It is additionally rumored that her son Winston was not hers either.

Later marriages

Five years after the death of Lord Randolph, she married George Cornwallis-West (1874–1951) in 1900, a captain in the Scots Guards--always so central to the French Bourbon royal house protection for centuries and very Masonic.

It was during this marriage, in 1908, that she wrote The Reminiscences of Lady Randolph Churchill. They separated in 1912 and were divorced in April 1914. It should be noted that she liked them young: Cornwallis-West was only 16 days older than Winston.

Jennie then married a third time, in 1918, to Montague Phippen Porch (1877–1964), a member of the British Civil Service in Nigeria and then even more relatively younger--some three years Winston's junior!

Throughout her life, and all three ever younger marriages, Jenny had extra-marital affairs. In the early years this was generally for the social and political strengthening of her first husband's position. Her second and third husbands were both more than 20 years younger than she.

Ironically, for instance, the year she married Lord Randolph was the year her second husband was born--and getting younger, for husband #3, three years before her third husband would be born.

During her first marriage, regardless of her affairs, her loyalty was always to Lord Randolph. She supported his causes, and wielded considerable power behind the scenes. Her second and third marriages seemed to have never held that loyalty which she showed for him.

Even after the death of Lord Randolph, Jerome preferred to be known as "Lady Randolph Churchill" despite her re-marriages, and even though she was not strictly entitled to this style any longer she was so well received in royal circles that no one seemed to object.

Death and after

Jennie died in 1921 at the age of 67 and is buried in the Churchill family plot at St Martin's Church, Bladon, Oxfordshire, near her first husband and sons.

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According to legend, she was also responsible for the invention of the "Manhattan" cocktail.

She commissioned a bartender for a special drink to celebrate the election of Samuel J. Tilden to the governorship in 1874. The party was held at the Manhattan Club, and the drink was named after the club.

Two years later Tilden was the "Northern New Yorker" allied with the Southern Aristocrats--the same sitution that led ot the Civil War actually both attempting to pull the U.S. apart for their "Essex Junto" rationales in the North, getting mixed up and facilitating equal secesssion desires of some Southerners as well. Two different secession movements--one Northern and one Southern--working together helped to combined to pull the U.S. apart in the Civil War. Both had British aristocratic connections.

Democratic popular vote winner for President in the contentious 1876 election carried on the Civil War in some sense, though the Electoral College vote which was corrupted--with many Republican controlled areas of the south (still under Northern martial law), deciding to submit two sets of Electoral College votes to create another crisis.

One one side was the Republican politcking of (Bonesmen) Chief Justice Waite to go to Hayes--who didn't win the popular vote.

Surreally, New Yorker Tilden had a "personal attachment to Martin Van Buren", and Jenny Jerome's father bought van Buren's Presidential private home in New York. Jenny Jerome, British aristocracy, hung around with "New York Southerner allied" Tilden, who had van Buren loyalties. Van Buren was in the cabinet of Jackson, who had British sponsorship as well to some degree against more pro U.S. nationalist Whigs branches.

During the 1876 presidential election, "New York Southerner" Tilden won the popular vote over his Republican Yale opponent, DKE fraternity's Rutherford B. Hayes. Bonesmen had really came into power in the North during the North's army mobilization and the civil war profiteering and contracting, and they wanted to stay there.

However, the "Democrat-Essex Junto" NOrth-South secessionists were back in the political picture following the Civil War and disliking the occupation of the South by the North still. New Yorker Tilden got the "protest vote" of the south, the popular vote, though the South's Republican legislatures all turned in Hayes Electoral college votes regardless.

Bonesmen Republicans don't take voting to be the answer to political power. On the other hand, equally bad, Tilden may have bribed several states to submit duplicate Electoral College votes as well, some for him, to create an intentional crisis coming from the very states that were the most "secession prone".

Thus, both sides were equally corrupted: a two party system where one is a Bonesmen party, and the other is a combined Northern secessionist and Southern secessionist is hardly a good choice....

In the end, the result in the Electoral College was in question because the Republican states of Florida, Louisiana, and South Carolina each sent two sets of Electoral Votes to Congress. (There was separately a conflict over one elector from Oregon, who was disqualified on a technicality. If that wasn't done Tilden would have won I think, so it is politically suspect because Tilden had 184 and Hayes 185 the way the Bones Republicans wanted it.

Republicans had taken over the state governments in the South during Reconstruction, but were unpopular with the overwhelmingly Democratic (only in reaction were they "Democratic" Party adherents--they weren't necessarily a labor party then) white southerners, many of whom resented what they perceived as interference from the North and blamed the Republicans for the Civil War--as well as blamed them for keeping the Union together when a very small inbred coterie of British leaning Southern elites, NOT the South as a whole (look it up based on each state that seceeded) wanted a Civil War to lead to complete dissolution of the United States. When they were still in the Union after the Civil War, this small group was hopping mad, even though most of the South never wanted secession in the first place.

One set of Electoral Votes from each of these three states had cast their ballots for the Yale Republican Hayes, and another set had cast their ballot for the 'secessionist' linked New York/Southern Democrat Tilden.

Without these three states in question, Tilden had won only 184 Electoral Votes, and required 185 to win the Presidency. With these states--any of them--he won the Electoral College. Regardless, a small coterie of elites in a small number of Southern states seem to have intentionally faciliated a secession scale crisis once more, in league with Northern British linked groups.

However, there were two sets from these three southern states--one of them from South Carolina, which had very pro British secession elites that started the whole secession conflict first. They were still there and powerful in South Carolina, which had originally simply "announced" it seceeded, and never even voted on it or held a secession Commission. South Carolina didn't even participate in the 1860 election for President at all.

If Tilden had taken even one state, he would have become President and the Republican "Reconstruction" (a nice term for military occupation) would be over for better or for worse.

However, if Hayes were to win all the same three states of Electoral college votes, he would receive 185 Electoral Votes himself, and he would win the election. However, Hayes failed to have the popular vote.

Because the Constitution does not address how Congress is to handle a dispute in the Electoral College--in this case, which is the "true" one?--a constitutional crisis appeared imminent--and staged by the same pro-British aristocratic southern states that helped catalyze the secession in the first place. In other words, they didn't care if they messed up the system. They still wanted out.

Federal Washington leaders tried to avert the crisis by creating a 15-member Electoral Commission who would determine which set of votes were valid. This was done outside the Constitution however.

The Commission consisted of five members from the Republican-controlled Senate (three Republicans and two Democrats), and five from the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives (3 Democrats, 2 Republicans). So the party line numbers were even then. However, the remaining 5 members were chosen from the Supreme Court--originally 2 Republicans, 2 Democrats, and independent Justice David Davis. Davis, however, strangely, was quickly elected to the US Senate from Illinois and resigned from the Supreme Court! Justice Joseph P. Bradley, a Republican, was named a shoe in to replace him. Ta da. Unsurprisingly, the Commission voted 8-7 to award all the votes to Yale University's Hayes.

The dispute, however, did not end, as Tilden Democrats threatened to filibuster in the Senate during the counting of the Electoral College vote in questioning the whole electoral Comission which was indeed not in the Constitution and engineered really by powerful Yale University Bonesman Supreme Court Chief Justice Waite.

Eventually, a compromise was reached whereby Hayes agreed to name at least one Southerner to his cabinet and to withdraw all federal troops in the South, bringing to an end the era of Reconstruction. This was known as the Compromise of 1877.

Upon his defeat by Hayes, Tilden said, "I can retire to public life with the consciousness that I shall receive from posterity the credit of having been elected to the highest position in the gift of the people, without any of the cares and responsibilities of the office."

After losing the presidency to Bonesmen connected wing around Hayes, (Dutch Van Buren networked new Yorker) Tilden counseled his followers to abide quietly by the result, but he declined renomination in 1880 and 1884.

The remainder of his life was spent in retirement at his country home, Greystone, near Yonkers, New York.

He died a bachelor in 1886. He confided to a friend that he had never slept with a woman in his life.

Of his fortune (estimated at $5,000,000) approximately $4,000,000 was bequeathed for the establishment and maintenance of a free public library and reading-room in the City of New York; but, as the will was successfully contested by relatives, only about $2,000,000 of the bequest was applied to its original purpose; in 1895, the Tilden Trust was combined with the Astor and Lenox libraries to found the New York Public Library, whose building bears his name on its front.

In 1878, the Republican New York Tribune published a claim of a "series of telegraphic dispatches in cipher," accompanied by the paper's presumed "translations," by which it attempted to prove that during the crisis following the 1876 election, Tilden alone was responsible in some part for the double Electoral college submissions from three southern states. This distracted from the non-Constitutional "Electoral Commission" run by the Bonesmen. And it may have been true.

The Republican New York Tribune claimed that Tilden had been negotiating for the purchase of the electoral votes of South Carolina and Florida. Of course, Tilden denied emphatically all knowledge of such dispatches, and appeared voluntarily before a Congressional sub-committee in New York City to clear himself of the charge.

The attempts to implicate him in corrupt transactions were not successful; but his political opponents endeavored to make capital in subsequent campaigns, out of the so-called 'Cipher Dispatches'. I wouldn't put it past Tilden to do such a thing, though I don't know much about this either. I do know that Tilden was part of the "Bourbon Democrats"--very aristocratic Democrats of which the Whitneys were intimately connected. William Collins Whitney (July 5, 1841 - February 2, 1904) was an American political leader and financier and founder of the prominent Whitney family.

The hyperrich Whitney, Skull and Bones himself, marries his daughter to Lord Queenborough in England, though she dies, and Lord Queenborough remarries. Lord Queenborough then marries another American--Edith Starr Miller as his second wife. This is the Edith Starr Miller publishes the two volume posthumous tome Occult Theocracy. In it, she warns a world that a great deal of secret societies animate European and American history behind the scenes.

12/12/2006 03:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

uoA DOUBLE SHOCK
Friday's subsequent news announcement -- made only minutes after Queen Elizabeth's address about Princess Diana -- that Mother Teresa had died at the age of 87 only added more sadness to an immensely sorrowful day. Diana is said to have turned to the Roman Catholic nun when her marriage crumbled, reports Reuters.

12/12/2006 03:15:00 PM  
Anonymous notta blogger said...

my dear god people! this woman was killed by, for and around racists an mysoginist adding all this true blood and anti-cure crap only speaks to the dis-information that always makes things so stoopid. they love to murder and use that to control you ... caint you see?

12/12/2006 03:45:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Will do IC. thanks. I skip over you as well sometimes, so I don't take offense. If it offends, it's not difficult to ignore it. Please be my guest. No offense taken, so don't attempt to start one.

Dude,
I wasn't attempting to insult or offend. The problem is that it's not so simple to ignore or scroll by when the paste job is so long. I also didn't mean to imply that I wasn't interested in what you had to say--I'll read anything, once or twice--it's just that I don't get what you're trying to say when your words are interspersed between such massive, unleavened loads of illumin-screed.

Isn't there some other sort of compromise available? You could say, for example, "I found this stuff on the web that explains everything and I really believe it's the whole truth," and then you could give us the link and if we had such an appetite, perfect!

Again, the only problem with scrolling is that you can very easily miss comments that are actually written by the people who post them. (I was obviously kidding about the longer explanation...)

So, here's the challenge: You tell us what all that stuff means, and then we can respond to it. As it is, we'd first have to find who wrote it, and who knows whether he or she would be interested in our feedback? I am curous about about your point--I just couldn't find it in all those miles of text. Really.

12/12/2006 03:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you think Grace Kelly's murder isn't part of the overarching, overall story, then you are sadly mistaken.

It's not called the Octupus for nothing, you know.

Geez!

I will say that for such a beautiful woman, her children (Princess Grace's) are butt ugly just like their father.

12/12/2006 04:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm waiting now for someone to blow the covers off of Liechtenstein - and somehow to connect it with Roy Lichtenstein. Maybe throw in Kramer, too, for good measure...

12/12/2006 05:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

From Mike Rivero:

"We've borrowed so much money the lenders are getting nervous. Back during the Johnson administration Charles DeGaulle demanded the United States collateralize the loans owed to France in gold and started carting out the bullion from the treasury. This caused several other nations to demand the same and President Nixon had to slam the gold window closed or the treasury would have been emptied, since the United States was even then in debt for more money than the treasury could cover in gold.

But Nixon had to collateralize that debt somehow, and he hit upon the plan of quietly setting aside huge tracts of American land with their mineral rights in reserve to cover the outstanding debts. But since the American people were already angered over the war in Vietnam, Nixon couldn't very well admit that he was apportioning off chunks of the United States to the holders of foreign debt. So, Nixon invented the Environmental Protection Agency and passed draconian environmental laws which served to grab land with vast natural resources away from the owners and lock it away, and even more, prove to the holders of the foreign debt that US citizens were not drilling. mining, or otherwise developing those resources. From that day to this, as the government sinks deeper into debt, the government grabs more and more land, declares it a wilderness or "roadless area" or "heritage river" or "wetlands" or any one of over a dozen other such obfuscated labels, but in the end the result is the same. We The People may not use the land, in many cases are not even allowed to enter the land.

This is not about conservation, it is about collateral. YOUR land is being stolen by the government and used to secure loans the government really had no business taking out in the first place. Given that the government cannot get out of debt, and is collateralizing more and more land to avoid foreclosure, the day is not long off when the people of the United States will one day wake up and discover they are no longer citizens, but tenants."


Oarwell thought that had pretty much already happened. But this goes way beyond what I thought was already happening. On first read, it makes sense. Can anyone substantiate this?

12/12/2006 06:34:00 PM  
Blogger sunny said...

While there is a strong argument against landmine manufactures themselves plotting against Diana, at the time of her death the production of landmines was still going strong. The Clinton administration had just clinched a £400 million deal to supply an arms package for Bosnian Muslims (Through Honeywell). The French (through the DGSE) had just dried the ink on a $2 billion oil deal with the Iranians and part of the payment was to be a shipment of arms to Bosnia where a very high-profile Princess Diana had recently visited to appeal to the world against the recent carnage and its aftermath. Her very innocence was getting to be a huge embarrassment to several governments. And, perhaps more important, to the machinations of "Le Cercle" An uncontrolled Princess was swanning through their affairs and getting world-wide support. She was a one-woman icon wandering at will through the war zones of the world. She was striking huge chords for international pacifism. And worse, far worse, she was a deep influence on the future king.

12/12/2006 06:36:00 PM  
Blogger sunny said...

Oops, the link for my above post.

12/12/2006 06:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Louis said...

My Dear Cuttlefish,
You are also occasionally guilty of the huge data-dump; see above for a reminder. It just seems miniscule compared to The Complete and Unabridged History of the Grimaldi Family, Royal Connections to the Solar Templars, and Kinky Occultic Sex-Rites of the Blueblood Set. But at least you're both dumping interesting stuff.

Anon 5:50--LOL!! And what about those sneaky Danes to the north...?

12/12/2006 09:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oarwell --

When explaining the massive US Govt debt to people, I tend to start with Econ 101 and the basics of mortgages.

At the end of that little discussion, I say (jokingly) "Wouldn't it be interesting if we had to give away Hawaii to China or Japan to satisify our debt?" It is meant to stimulate monetary/collateral thinking, but if what you say is true re: boxing off of lands as collateral, then it may well be more than just a thought exercise.

Unfortunately, I don't have any evidence to substantiate.

12/12/2006 09:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. Interesting double death there of Lady Di and her one comforter on the same day? I'm sure just another one of those coincidences....


And IC, all the sources were there. Besides, as I explained it's not a "digest on another website" that is linkable. Sources are linked online when available, or readable, and all listed. Many are books that have accreted slowly in my mind like stalactites, drip, drip dripping on the same topic for quite some time.

There was not an overall link you seem desperate to find, no Holy Grail, just Merovingians. ;-)

There was not "an overall link" to peruse, because it was a series of proposed links freshly put together. It wasn't even a claim to oversimplified purpose or truth--only a theme staring people in the face if you do look for it and follow the people.

The general point of course is 'hard right' aristocratic Monaco occult issues of Grimaldi, the Monaco ruling house, which seems very tightly tied to esoteric Christian Masonry aspects in Europe--that sometimes makes little sense if one thinks that Masonry is innately some sort of secular revolutionary phenomena alone. It's really quite different and 'bloodline aristocratic protective' in origin.

Yes, those "sneaky Danes"--the Oldenbergs, have about conquered all of Europe and no one knows. See below #2.


1.

As for, Lichtenstein it is a tiny Merovingian protectorate, another Monoco 'tax haven' for the hyper wealthy criminals of Europe:

"The Principality of Liechtenstein (German: Fürstentum Liechtenstein) is a small, doubly landlocked country in Central Europe, bordered by Switzerland to its west and by Austria to its east. Mountainous, it is a winter sports resort, though it is perhaps best-known as a tax haven."

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The Liechtenstein 'dynasty,' from which the Principality takes its name (rather than vice-versa), was a last ditch 'true blue' ally of the Hapsburgs.

The name comes from Castle Liechtenstein in faraway Lower Austria, which the family possessed from at least 1140 to the 13th century, and from 1807 onwards. Through the centuries, the dynasty acquired vast swathes of land, predominantly in Moravia, Lower Austria, Silesia and Styria, though in all cases, these were not outright their own--they were held in fief under other more senior lords, particularly under various lines of the Habsburg family, to whom several Liechtenstein princes served as close advisors.

Thus, and without any territory held directly under the Imperial throne, the Liechtenstein dynasty was unable to meet a primary requirement to qualify for a seat in the Imperial diet, the Reichstag.

The 'true blue' Hapsburg client family yearned greatly for the added power [power? the Reichstag? just prestige and taxation privileges] which a seat in the Imperial government would garner, and therefore searched for lands to acquire held without any links except directly under the Holy Roman Emperor himself having rights on the land. After some time, the family was able to arrange the purchase of the minuscule Herrschaft ("Lordship") of Schellenberg and countship of Vaduz (in 1699 and 1712 respectively) from the Hohenems. Tiny Schellenberg and Vaduz possessed exactly the political status required, no feudal lord other than their comital sovereign and the suzerain Emperor.

Thereby, as late as January 23, 1719, Lichtenstein was created.

After the tax haven purchase had been duly made, Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor decreed Vaduz and Schellenberg united, raising its owners to dignity of Fürstentum (principality) with the name "Liechtenstein" in honour of "[his] true servant, Anton Florian of Liechtenstein".

It is on this date that Liechtenstein became a sovereign member state of the Holy Roman Empire. Ironically, but as testament to the pure political expediency of the purchases, the Princes of Liechtenstein did not set foot in their new principality for several decades.

And by then it was almost over for the whole territorial arrangement.

In 1806, most of the Holy Roman Empire was invaded by Napoleon I of the First French Empire.

This event had broad consequences for Liechtenstein: imperial legal and political mechanisms broke down, while Francis II, Holy Roman Emperor abdicated the imperial throne: the Empire itself dissolved.

As a result, Liechtenstein ceased to have any obligations to anyone beyond its borders, from 1806 around 160 km² only, and with 2006 population maxing out at around 33,000 people. Current per capita relations to the wealth of it are astounding however: Per capita $83,700 per person or $54,000 per person, take your pick I guess (the latter number at least cites something.) The miracle of Wikipedia! The sum total of world unverified knowledge!

For a comparison to Monaco, which has around 33,000 people as well as of 2006, Monaco though is only 1/160th of the area: only 1.637 km² or around 0.75 sq mi. Monaco's per capita is much lower than Lichtenstein as well: Per capita $21,000.

In other words, the real James Bonds are hanging out in Lichtenstein.

Liechtenstein is the fourth smallest country of Europe, after the Vatican City, Monaco and San Marino.

Since Vatican City's invention was really a deal with the Italian fascists of Mussolini, it should be hardly a surprise that other little places like equally ultramontane Monaco, or 'true blue (blood)' Liechtenstein exist and are strangely immune to the secular currents elsewhere. You don't protect little statelets like this unless they really do have the power somewhere to bite back. Monaco may be "smaller than Hyde Park" as someone claimed, though is geographic size a proxy of power here. Stalin said "how many divisions does the Pope have?" supposedly. Stalin may be surprised how well placed infiltration works over brute force. After his "powerful dictatorship", no one wanted to save him and he died alone on the floor. However, even the mental idiots who couldn't even feed themselves in some of the incredibly inbred Hapsburg lines still held some kind of 'magical' power that kept people loyal to some concept, even when the particular idiots--regardless if they had been idiots for generations [see the book Royal Babylon]--whole countries were being official run by people who ate like dogs or were half mad or completely bonkers. it's not hard to sympathize with the aims of the Illuminati on one hand, when you read that book. On the other hand, it's not my point to set up a preference for one form of occult aristocracy simply exchanged for another. That has unfortunately been the story of much of Europe for the past 250 years, as different occult groups want to keep steering. Sometimes they succeed. Another theme was that infighting between them has ironically served to bring more people into their networks in competition with each other, which made the secret societies more democratic and more 'peasant interests' got into them, which on the one hand made them more powerful and dangerous, and on the other hand subtly more representative secret societies. When is the 'heat point' of complete equilibrium when all are integrated? Who can say if they will ever let it go that far before outright repression, though that was another theme: the 'democratization' of secret socities, and the secret socities in (European occult) democracy. The Renaissance wasn't a Roman 'reawaking of secular principles.' It was crypto-Etyptian, hermetic, and ongoing competitions between things that never died out 2000 years ago in Western Europe-- desires of control of everything from the shadows through mystery religions and mystery cults of graded elites and ignorant masses. This meant the intentional undevelopment and repression of a great deal of people within 'democratic societies' run this way, automatically. That is where I would argue we are presently, seeking a way to widen the input. You have to know what you are up against first.

For a comparison on the other side of the revolutionary scale of the spectrum, the European secular revolutionaries kept a statelet as well, San Marino, which was on the side of Garibaldi, who used the little area as an escape from ultramontane Papal politics in the run up to military consolidation and destruction of the Papal States. San Marino was protected from dissolution in thanks, by the same revolutionaries.

Important as a 'basecamp' for the Italian secular Masonic revolutionaries, it never was integrated into Italy.

It kept this interesting history:

San Marino is basically a mountain, surrounded by a plain: "According to legend, Marino left the Adriatic island of Rab with his lifelong friend Leo and went to the town of Rimini as a stone worker. After persecution because of his Christian sermons, he escaped to the nearby Monte Titano, where he built a small church and thus 'founded' what is now the city and the state of San Marino--mostly because he was left alone.

The official date of foundation of the Republic is 3 September A.D. 301.

During the early phase of the Italian unification process of the 19th century, San Marino served as a haven of refuge for numerous persons who were persecuted because of their support for Italian unity. In memory of this support, [Italian secular Illuminized revolutionary] Giuseppe Garibaldi [working with Mazzini] accepted the wish of San Marino not to be incorporated into the new Italian state.

During World War II San Marino was able to officially remain neutral.

The head of state is a committee (council) of two captains-regent. San Marino also holds the record for the world's first democratically elected communist government, which held office between 1945 and 1957.

Back to the opposite microstate, Catholic Lichtenstein:

Modern publications generally (although incorrectly) attribute Liechtenstein's sovereignty to these events of the British-Napoleonic wars. In reality, its prince merely became suzerain by default when the Holy Roman Empire was dissolved, as the area only had its own sovereign lord remaining since it had nothing else in the way of political connections to anything except the personal link to the Hapsburgs--and when that was gone, pssspt!

So it joined the Napoleonic Empire for a while--potentially another Merovingian choice through the Josephine marriage and through her sister's marriage to Napoleon and his brother.

So from 25 July 1806 when the Confederation of the Rhine was founded, the prince of Liechtenstein was a member, in fact a vassal of its hegemon styled protector, French Emperor Napoleon I Bonaparte, until failed with yet another dissolution, this time on 19 October 1813. Pssspt!

Soon after, Liechtenstein joined the German Confederation (20 June 1815 – 24 August 1866, presided by the next surrogate Merovingian, Emperor of Austria).

Until the end of World War I, Liechtenstein was closely tied first to the Austrian Empire and then to Austria-Hungary.

However, the economic devastation caused by WWI forced the country to conclude a customs and monetary union with its other neighbour, Switzerland. The Army was disbanded already in 1868, out of financial considerations. Here's the surreal bit: at the time of the dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, it was argued that Liechteinstein as a fief of only the Holy Roman Empire (supposedly still incarnated in Liechtensteiner eyes at an abstract level in the person of the then-destitutued Austro-Hungarian Emperor, despite its formal dissolution in 1806) was no longer bound to Austria, then emerging as an independent state which did not consider itself as the legal successor to the Empire. Liechtenstein is thus the last independent state in Europe which can claim an element of continuity from the Holy Roman Empire.

It's not holy, not Roman, not part of an Empire--and even one up on Voltaire's aphorism, it's "under an Emperor that fails to exist"--still claiming to be the last bit of the Holy Roman Empire, a true European conundrum and European history at its confusing counterintuitive best. "How many divisions does Lichtenstein have?" More than most countries, actually. It depends on how you count them, in numbers or in networks. It's network rich, richer than many other places anywhere:

The Prince of Liechtenstein is the world's fifth wealthiest head of state, with an estimated wealth of $4 billion. It was all made in the last 50 years mostly, with a population of 33,000 or so presently.

The country's population enjoys one of the world's highest standards of living for its 33,000 or so people, living in their Disneyland pretended Holy Roman Empire with an Emperor on "permanent leave" though always ready for his return--sort of like the legend about Frederick Barbarossa just 'sleeping in the mountain' waiting for the day he will return and guide the Reich.

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Despite its small geographic area and limited natural resources, Liechtenstein is currently the only country in the world with more registered companies than citizens; it has developed into a prosperous, highly industrialized, free-enterprise [narco-]economy, and boasts a financial service sector and also living standard which compare favourably to those of the urban areas of Liechtenstein's large European neighbours.

Advantageously low business taxes — the maximum tax rate is 18% — as well as easy Rules of Incorporation have induced about 73,700 holding (or so-called 'letter box') companies to establish nominal offices in Liechtenstein. Such ["XYZ companies" and corporate shell fronts] provide about 30% of Liechtenstein's state revenue.

Recently, Liechtenstein has shown strong determination to dispel the country's unhelpful [or helpful! depends on who you market yourself for!] image as a centre for international money-laundering.

Liechtenstein is not exactly known for popular pressured civil rights historically--though for civil titles of its royal house, it is without peer.

I'm surprised the name and title can fit in such a small country:

Look at this name:

Franz Josef II, Prince of Liechtenstein, (Franz Joseph Maria Aloys Alfred Karl Johannes Heinrich Michael Georg Ignaz Benediktus Gerhardus Majella), (August 16, 1906, Schloss Frauenthal, Styria, Austria – November 13, 1989) was the prince of Liechtenstein from 1938 until his death. His full title was [even more preposterous: don't look at it! it's evil!: "Fürst von und zu Liechtenstein, Herzog von Troppau und Jägerndorf, Graf zu Rietberg." They still speak Allemande [sp?] German, of all things--the isolated cultlike thing that the Amish speak.

He was son of Prince Aloys of Liechtenstein and his wife Archduchess Elisabeth of Austria (daughter of Archduke Karl Ludwig). He succeeded his childless cousin, Prince Franz I, after his father renounced his right of succession in his favour in 1921.

Then he went wild! He actually let women vote!

During his reign women received voting rights for the first time, following a referendum on the topic (among men only, who decided) in 1984.

More wildness:

Franz Josef was an extremely popular monarch in Liechtenstein. He was the first ruling prince to live full-time in the principality. [Why? Was someone after him?]

He was widely credited with keeping Liechtenstein out of World War II [it had no army since 1868 and would thus not pull its own weight or make a useful ally...] and he also oversaw the "economic development" [come and get it! taaaax haven!!! come and get it!"] of Liechtenstein from a poor agricultural backwater into one of the richest countries (per capita) in the world.

It's the "Merovingian Vatican City" of Money Laundering, just like Monaco.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liechtenstein#History

Another important Merovingian grouping everyone should know about is that Lichtenstein somehow made it into the true upper crust: their family's 'true blue' connection with the Burgundian founded Holy Roman Empire's imperial Order of the Golden Fleece--which additionally like the Templars creations mostly, is without any Christian iconography, though claims to be a "Christian knights honor organization" just like them:

The very first sponsor by the Holy Roman Emperor was Karl I, Prince of Liechtenstein (1569-1627)--the first Prince of Liechtenstein. Emperor Rudolf II of the Holy Roman Empire appointed Karl to Chief Intendant, an important position. Karl held this position until 1607. In thanks for further aid Karl was appointed to the positions of proconsul and vice-regent of Bohemia in 1622 and was bestowed with the Order of the Golden Fleece.

And what was that? Pure esoteric bloodline protectorate Europe at its finest:

The Order of the Golden Fleece (Spanish: Orden del Toisón de Oro) is an order of chivalry founded in 1430 by Duke Philip III of Burgundy to celebrate his marriage to the [ex-Templar dominated] Portuguese state's princess Isabelle of Aviz.

It was modelled on the English Order of the Garter, the English version of such Merovingian networks off the 1066 Norman invasion of many different bloodlines that were permantly powerful in England--and many of these became "Magna Carta Sureties" in 1215--and many of those families became American Presidents 550-650 years later. Blood is stronger than water, and blood in this case is stronger than time. Particularly when inbreeding and cross breeding is practiced in a round robin fashion where you get obvious dead giveaways of people with three or four surnames for their name and no real first name. It's like cattle. They carry their multiple surnames like a ranch brand to show off and "moo" at each other who is best in their little cliques.

Philip of Burgundy, founder of the Fleece, had been elected to membership of the Garter in 1422, but had declined to avoid offending the king of France), but dedicated to Saint Andrew (like Scotland...).

Like the Garter it was restricted to a limited number of knights, initially 24 but increased to 30 in 1433 and 51 in 1516. Here's a bit of aristocratic humor: the order was explicitly denied to "heretics", and so became an exclusively Catholic [though ironically esoteric Catholic mark of favor] award during the Reformation, though a choice of the pagan Golden Fleece of Colchis as the symbol of a "Christian order" caused some controversy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Golden_Fleece

Though if you are of an aristocratic coterie who consider the Roman Catholic Church a real heresy--to their esoteric Christian durable bloodline leadership power--then perhaps they were being Jesuitical and "not lying when they weren't heretics"--as long as you understand that they would define the Roman Catholic Church and the Papacy as a useless institution and a heresy to their version of Christianity!

Quite a few of the Fleece names are clearly "Catholic Masonic bloodline protectors".

The names are the kind of secret society networks and institutional connections that the French Illuminati/British Hanoverian aligned revolutionary wing attempted to destroy in the 1790s.

The 1800s was a huge worldwide attempt at purge, which didn't really succeed...A compromise was sort of crated by the early 20th century. I think it is encapsulated in the huge mixed metaphors of "the Christian Gnostic Catholic Church"--i.e., Crowleyism and the OTO--which took over the Roman Catholic Church by the 1930s.

In that way, they can put all the 'regular law abiding Catholics of the heresy' on the lower Apprentice Level, while reserving the higher levels for their recycled selves--who believe completely different things [see Tony Bushby's _The Bible Fraud].

For the Fleece link, see particularly the first cohort and the last cohort for comparison. (De Lannoy, or "Delano" (which is indeed a French/Flemish family who changed their name to one word in coming to the U.S.). That name is fascinatingly there...Delanos actually claim they go back to ancient Greece...I'm in no position to confirm or argue that...); the most recent cohort of the Fleece shows the 70th something head of the Knights of Malta.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Knights_of_the_Golden_Fleece#Knights_Created_under_the_House_of_Burgundy.2C_1430-1477

2.

There's a handful of groups like this, Merovinginan protection networks, around different nodes.

Another group like this is the one around the Holy Roman Empire itself, Order of the Dragon. That one had the Transylvanian madmen counts in it among others:

The Order of the Dragon (German: Drachenorden; Latin: Societas Draconistrarum) is an order of selected nobles modeled on the Order of Saint George of Burgundy. The order was created by Serbs, but originally commissioned in 1408 by Sigismund, the Holy Roman Emperor (while still king of Hungary) and his second wife (Barbara Cilli) in order to protect the royal family. [<---They come out right there and say it.] Members of the Order were known as draconists.

Miloš Obilić, a Serbian knight, had created the secret order of the Dragon of Saint George. His shield represented the sun with twelve rays and there were twelve knights, himself included, belonging to this order. As a distinctive sign, they wore a dragon on their helmet.

Thus, the three you could look into and be fascinated no one told you this before is:

- (Merovingian)Order of the Garter around the Norman/English invaion groups, Plantagent groups; he year of foundation is usually taken to be 1348, although dates ranging from 1344 to 1351 have been proposed. The wardrobe account of the king first shows Garter habits issued in the autumn of 1348. Regardless, the Order was probably not established before 1346--thus, right in the midst of the Guelph/Ghibelline contention as well, an order was crated "to protect the royal family" from being swamped by this conflict as well as perhaps playing it off to survive more independently.

- (Merovingian) Order of the Dragon, from 1408

- (Merovingian) Order of the Golden Fleece, from 1430


- (Merovingian) The Order of Saint Michael (French: L'Ordre de Saint-Michel) was the first French chivalric order, founded by Louis XI of France in 1469, in competitive response to the Burgundian Order of the Golden Fleece founded by Philip the Good, duke of Burgundy, Louis' chief competitor for the allegiance of the great houses of France, the Dukes of Orléans, Berry, and Brittany. As a chivalric order, its goal was to confirm the loyalty of its knights to the king. Originally, there were a limited number of knights, at first thirty-one, then increased to thirty-six including the king. An office of Provost was established in 1476. The Order of St Michael was the highest Order in France until it was superseded by the Order of the Holy Spirit. Another point about how intra-elite competitoin forces them to expand and 'democratize' their secret society networks: "It's membership was initially restricted to a small number of powerful princes and nobles, but this increased dramatically due to the pressures of the Wars of Religion: at the beginning of the reign of Henry III, the order had several hundred living members, ranging from kings to bourgeois." However, he disliked this "deflation" of his order from a more exclusive "who's my esoteric blood peer" aspect of it originally. Only France had the most severe (I would argue) internal wars of religion that set the stage for this "protect the family" extension of the socities. Therefore, recognising and disliking that his order had been significantly devalued during the wars of religion, King Henry of France founded the Order of the Holy Spirit December 31, 1578- thereby creating a two-tier system: the new order would be reserved as before for princes and powerful nobles whilst the old Order of Saint Michael would be given to less eminent servants of the Crown. This Order was dedicated to Holy Spirit for commemorating fact that Henry was elected a King of Poland (1573) and France (1574) during a Pentecost.

- (Merovingian, "Stuarts on the run"--The Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle. While the Order of the Thistle was certainly in existence by the 16th century, and possibly has earlier origins (according to legend, it dates to the eighth century), the foundation of the institution in its modern form dates to 1687.

- The Romanov/Gottorp/Swedish Branch of Merovingians: The Military Order of the Saint Grand Martyr and the Triumphant George (also known as Order of St. George the Triumphant, Russian: Военный Орден Св. Великомученика и Победоносца Георгия, Voyenny Orden Sviatogo Velikomuchenika i Pobedonostsa Georgia) is an Imperial Russian and current Russian order of chivalry, originally established in 1769 by Catherine the Great, and revived in 1994 by the Russian Federation. Exactly what would the Russians be protecting in bloodlines? Perhaps Putin does want to be a Czar? Though 1994 was before he was even on the scene. Interesting.

2.

Just a little point about Gottorp:

Gottorp or Gottorf (Danish: Gottorp) is a palace and estate in the city of Schleswig in the German state of Schleswig-Holstein. It is the ancestral home of a remarkable branch of the [Merovingian "northern"] royal dynasty within the House of Oldenburg (that takes in everybody from Norway to Russia] and is a museum today. It is situated on an island on the firth of Schlei, about 40 km from the Baltic Sea. It was first settled as an estate in 1161 as the residence of Bishop Occo of Schleswig when his former residence was destroyed. The Danish Duke of Schleswig acquired it through a purchase in 1268, and in 1340 it was transferred to the Holsteiner Count of Rendsborg of the House of Schauenburg. The manor later, through maternal inheritance, became the possession of Christian I of Denmark, the first Danish monarch from the House of Oldenburg, in 1459. Both the island and the structure were extended through the years, and particularly during the 16th century. Frederick I, younger son of Christian I, at that time the Duke of Gottorp, made it his primary residence and became ancestor of two lines, (1) the monarchs of Denmark and (2) the dukes of Gottorp. The dukes of Gottorp took over the estate, which became a European cultural center in the reign of Frederick III, Duke of Gottorp, (1597–1659). The castle was build by the famous Swedish architect Nicodemus Tessin the Younger (1697-1703). [This is the court architect--with his son--that additionally built all Swedish court royalty buildings...There's some rather interesting occult features of his buildings, like he can barely hold his tongue in what he's doing.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottorp

The House of Oldenburg is a North German noble family and one of Europe's most influential Royal Houses.

It first became royal when Count Christian VIII of Oldenburg became chosen King of Denmark in 1448, and has been the Danish Royal House ever since. After some hiatus, king Christian I also succeeded in 1450 to the Hereditary Kingdom of Norway.

Marriages of medieval counts of Oldenburg had paved the way for their heirs to become kings of various Scandinavian kingdoms. In 14th century, through marriage with a descendant of king Valdemar I of Sweden and of king Eric IV of Denmark, a claim to Sweden and Denmark was staked, since 1350.

At that time, its competitors were the successors of Margaret I of Denmark. In 15th century, the Oldenburg heir of that claim married Hedwig of Holstein, a descendant of Euphemia of Sweden and Norway and also a descendant of Eric V of Denmark. Since descendants better situated in genealogical charts died out, their son Christian (the abovementioned) became the king of all the three kingdoms of whole Kalmar Union. The House of Mecklenburg was its chief competitor regarding the Northern thrones, and other interessents were e.g the Duke of Lauenburg. Different Oldenburgine branches have reigned in several countries, as this selective chart shows:

look at this and then wonder why you never heard of it. If you have, well, congratulations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Oldenburg

The Oldenberg family has basically consolidated Europe quietly. They're almost the only one's left! The "New Hapsburgs." Look at that chart!


Later, more on Grimaldi as Merovingian protecting lines.


THIS IS THE OCTOPUS. ALL OF THESE.

The Grimaldi has its Solar Temple nefariousness. I imagine that any of the above houses that sponsored "family protecting networks" (Order of the Dragon; Order of St. Michael in France; etc., all would get into some interesting parallel Christianities quite quickly.

Conclusion

Plus ca change in the layers of the Merovingian- Templar- Christian Masonic protectorate networks.

This little slice of occult Europe is so different from the view that Masonry is entirely a secular revolutionary phenomena.

There were indelibly several branches. The existence of "hard Catholic Masonic hereditary aristocrats" are almost categorically difficult for most to get their head around, though, it's there.

Show me where we're modern. It's all a lie on one level. We're 'modern' to the extent that the aristocratic groups have wanted us 'modern'. It has yet to mean an unconditioned form of public government at all. One level, when they were competing, 'we' seemed to get more input. With them seeming more consolidated as the 21st century comes on, unsure...


I'm looking forward to real modernism when it occurs, instead of this aristocratic pantomime of it that we have had for 250 years or more. Or at least aristocrats that understand they are destroying the planet with themselves in their false attempt to consolidate it on self-destructive principles unless they heed a few more voices. I guess I have nothing against representative aristocrats--though parasitic ones only end up destroying themselves.

12/12/2006 09:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, I was going to wait, though I wanted to 'finish' this line of thought for the moment.

3.

Now.

More on Grimaldi. I didn't realize what a Merovingian supporting can of worms Monaco was and is:

In 1685, a British branch of the House of Grimaldi emerged in Great Britain from the exile of Alexander Grimaldi, a descendant of the Lords of Beaufort (Belforte, in Italian). This nobleman belonged to a long line of Genoese patricians doing business throughout Europe.

Their line was actively involved in the Bank of Saint George, one of the first incorporated banks in the world, and produced several admirals, officers, and a cardinal. At the time, the Grimaldis were among the largest bankers of the Spanish Crown and Empire [of the Merovingian Hapsburgs].

Genoa did 'run' the Spanish Empire, financially.

In Genoa, ... at the fall of the City-State under the heavy artillery of the king of France, Louis 14th, Alexander Grimaldi had to take the road of exile. He settled down in London, where the Genoese had been conducting international business for over three centuries. The last marquess of his line died in England in the 20th century.

The House of Grimaldi is associated with the Americas in many Stuart-Merovingian ways. One particularly interesting way is thorugh politico-financial relations with Spain mentioned above, supporting the Merovingian linked Hapsburgs.

Another link is a Grimaldi banker accompanied Diego Columbus, son of the great [Anjou-Merovingian bloodline linked] explorer, Christopher Columbus (his name translates as: "Christ[opher] of the Dove".

No one really knows much about Columbus actually.
Though there are some strange non-Christian things about this guy, for such a Roman Catholic domiant period in which he lived. Columbus didn't carry any Roman Catholic priests in his exploration of the Atlantic, despite having made detailed contractual agreements that "if he happened to accidentally find any territory, you know, just by accident I assure you, I want hereditary ownership of it for my family--not as a grant from you royals, though entirely separate for myself"; He claimed he was off to "find China"--which may have been only a cover, since it was well known by the networks he ran in (Drummonds/Sinclairs) that a huge block of land was much closer. Moreover, Columbus's three ships sails strangely carried the long disestablished red Templar cross on them; and equally strangely he did decide to sail out of Europe on the day that Jews were banished from Spain. Templars had always protected Jews over the Christians, in many known strange instances when it came down to it, and particularly preferred to settle or house themselves or build their castles in the Jewish sectors of cities, particlarly in Spain.

More Merovingians: Columbus was very close to the Masonic Scottish Drummonds. Drummonds are married into the royal Merovingian Stuarts as well as the Sinclairs of Rosslyn, who are married into both.

Sinclairs of course are THE multi-century hereditary grandmaster line of 'secret society' Masonry in Scotland, i.e., before the English masonry publicity of the early 1700s.

A Prince Sinclair built Rosslyn Chapel in the mid 1400s, presumably a small scale copy of the destroyed Jerusalem Temple Mount--as an icon and historical monument for the Scottish branch of the Templars that escaped from Philip the Fair--with some very special treasure that no one knows for sure what this branch has....

Rosslyn is a copy of the Temple Mount, replete with its damaged "Wailing Wall" on one side of Rosslyn. Rosslyn is not a 'Christian chapel' construction, and for centuries did not have any Christian iconography at all in it--all that was added in the Victorian era by priests who were very uncomfortable seeing such a structure.

With historically NO Christian iconography in the 'chapel', it bodes that whatever the Sinclair Princes of Rosslyn intended to do there, particularly intended to bury there (in the still untouched catacombs of Rosslyn), it has some link to Jerusalem Jewish memorabilia and not Roman Catholicism. Since Rosslyn is not a Christian structure, it was for centuries a public testamonial to many thousands of pilgrims who knew that it was not a Christian structure. Rosslyn was the northermost pilgrimage site on a huge network of them connected with St. John of Compostella ('the route of the stars') in the Spanish Pyrennes areas, stretching across Spain, and eventually one branch of this pilgrimage route goes to Rosslyn. Lots of very "non Roman Catholic" versions of Christianity are involved if you research a bit about the pilgrimages and organizations linked to getting to Compostella.

There is additionally other Merovingian links to the New World that are preserved in Rosslyn, besides the attempts in later centuries of groups around Grimaldi/Oglethorpe in Georgia.

For example, the Merovingian/Tempalr linked Sinclairs put a lot of protomasonic iconography in Rosslyn.

There's even the intentionally damaged head of a "Hiram Abiff" on one wall, carved in freaking stone in the mid 1400s, which is a story instrumental to the Master Mason ceremony. The Sinclairs additionally put American species of plants that "officially" had not been discovered by Europeans before Rosslyn was built). However, obviously it was known and they were making a record of their discovery/achievements in "the New World"--that no one had 'officially' discovered yet.

Oscar Wilde has a great quote about all the New World discoveries: "People talk about America being discovered by Columbus. Well, America was discovered long before. However, they were smart enough to keep quiet about it."

North American maize for one example, is carved into Rosslyn chapel.) The first Templar preceptory in all of European Christendom after their early 1100s establishment was on Sinclair land in Rosslyn. The links go way back with the Sinclairs as trusted Templar agenteurs.

It's pretty much established by many that Prince Henry Sinclair, hereditary grandmaster line of the protomasonic Scottish Transmission of Templars (that became Scottish masonry), journeyed in 1398-1400 or so, in league with the Zeno clan of Venice, to the New World--around 95-100 years before Columbus.

Columbus turns up 100 years later and has contact in the Azores with the very families intermarried with the Sinclairs like the Drummonds. [Templars in America: From the Crusades to the New World, among others].

Much later, Merovingian issues in North America once more: [1] among those Stuart/Merovingian linked bloodline protectors who traveled through the British Empire that was increasingly throwing away the Stuarts, were the Grimaldis and the Oglethorpes--who seemed to team up in Georgia in 1732-35--right when a really early North American pro-Stuart Masonic lodge was established there.

Oglethorpe seems to have attempted to establish a "Masonic Scottish Transmission" colony of Stuart supporting bloodline groups, Grimaldis inclusive, right in the middle of the British Hanoverians' Empire, in his venture in Georgia!

Grimaldi went there in 1735, where he lived in Savannah and Augusta, a few years after Oglethorpe started it as a truly "Masonic colony of dissenters."

Georgia was mostly a Scottish colony, by James Oglethorpe who himself had some rather high bloodline connections to equally Merovingian links to Savoy.

The colony's corporate charter was granted to James Oglethorpe on April 21, 1732, by clueless George II, for whom the colony was named--though Oglethorpe proved to have more Stuart allegiances than Hanoverian ones.

Oglethorpe made very strict laws that many colonists disagreed with. Oglethorpe envisioned and sold the province as an idea like Australia later--as a location for the resettlement of English prisoner debtors and "the worthy poor".

Another motivation for the founding of the colony was as a "buffer state" or "garrison province" that would defend the southern part of the British colonies from Spanish Florida. It also would prevent slaves escaping from South Carolina from reaching Florida where they could gain their freedom. However, Oglethorpe himself arranged for slavery to be banned in Georgia, making slave escape easier within the British Empire itself.

Additionally curious, Oglethorpe imagined a province populated by "sturdy farmers" and religious dissenters from Anglicanism--and perhaps a whole lot else.

In the beginning, the colony had a slow start. James Oglethorpe would not allow liquor and colonists weren't allowed to own more than 500 acres of land. People were upset, so James finally bent the rules and the colony started to grow much faster.

James Edward Oglethorpe (22 December 1696 – 30 June 1785) had previously entered Corpus Christi College, Oxford, in 1714, but in the same year joined the army of Prince Eugene of Savoy. François-Eugène, Prince of Savoy-Carignan (October 18, 1663 – April 24, 1736), known as Prinz Eugen von Savoyen in German, was arguably the greatest general to serve the Merovingian Habsburgs--which were connected with the Merovingian Stuarts.

It was through another Stuart link-- through the recommendation of Stuart Restoration royalist supporter John Churchill (the 1st Duke of Marlborough) that Oglethorpe himself was recommended to become aide-de-camp to the prince of Savoy!

Oh no. Churchills show up once more: a key royalist Masonic aristocratic interlink:

"1st Duke of Marlborough, part of the Stuart Restoration after 1661, was John Churchill. He was born to Elizabeth and Sir Winston Churchill (the famous Prime Minister, Sir Winston Churchill was a descendant) in 1650, near the end of the English Civil War. He was educated at St Paul's School, London. Apparently he learned the basics of military strategy from a book in the School library. His father had fought for the Royalists during the Civil War and had suffered badly for it—they lived in very modest circumstances until the end of the Commonwealth. His staunch support for Charles II of England paid off with The Restoration, however, and one of the fruits of this was the appointment of 17-year-old John Churchill to the household of the man second in line to the throne, James, the Duke of York and Lord High Admiral. (Rumour, then and later, also had it that Churchill's appointment was aided by the liaison of his sister Arabella and the Duke.)"

Thus another Stuart bloodline adherence link seems to have signed off on creating Georgia for Stuarts, instead of Hanoverians. The Churchill/Oglethorpe/Hapsburg/Stuart links were animating the founding of the Province of Georgia.

Oglethorpe even 'dared' to start Scottish Stuart linked Masonry there, when the Hanoverian vs. Stuart war was still very much undecided. Stuart aligned Oglethorpe crated the "oldest masonic lodge in North America" according to some it is claimed. (Others would claim the Tukers of Bermuda, hugely important in the history of the British East India Company, had that 'honor.')

Anyway, Oglethorpe sailed for Charleston, South Carolina on the ship Ann, arriving in 1732, and settled near the present site of Savannah, Georgia. A Banker Grimaldi was there within three years, and only one year after the founding of the 'parallel government' of the Colony of Georgia, the Scottish linked masonic lodge, started in 1734.

Oglethorpe negotiated with the Creek tribe for land and established a series of defensive forts, ostensibly against Spain, though with Oglethorpe's pro-Stuart allegiances, it could be against the Hanoverians at some future date as well.

Were they making an esoterically run Stuart/Habsburg protectorate in a Hanoverian empire? Germans and Swiss for example were invited to come. Many of Georgia's new settlers consisted of poor English tradesmen and artisans and religious refugees from Switzerland and Germany. Oglethorpe even returned to England and arranged to have slavery banned in Georgia.

To top that off, right after he started the colony, on February 21, 1734 the English Soldier, Statesman, Philanthropist and Freemason James Edward Oglethorpe established the first Masonic Lodge within the British Colony of Georgia--though as a Stuart aligned one! Now known as Solomon's Lodge No. 1, F. & A. M. it is the "Oldest Continuously Operating English Constituted Lodge of Freemasons in the Western Hemisphere." (Some say). Grimaldi was there the next year.

Oglethorpe's Stuart Masonic adherence was legion: Ten years later, "in 1745, Oglethorpe was promoted to the rank of major-general. His conduct in connection with the Stuart Jacobite Rising of that year resulted in his court-martial, but he [got out of potential treason during 1745 and] was acquitted."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Oglethorpe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_of_Georgia
http://www.grimaldi.org/en/history/england.asp

Failures there failed to stop the Merovingian issues. It is known as well that the "kingdom of America" was offered to THE STUART "Pretenders"--offered by the people who founded the Articles of Confederation period of the United States. And who was one of the major groups involved in much of the territory? Why, another Sinclair, military overlord of the Ohio Territory, as well as connected with being President at once point under the Articles of Confederation.

These were all serious occult bloodlines:

The following list is of those who led the Congress of the Confederation under the Articles of Confederation as the Presidents of the United States in Congress Assembled. The "president" under the Articles was the presiding officer of Congress. He was not the chief executive, as is the President of the United States under the Constitution.

* Samuel Huntington (March 1, 1781 – July 9, 1781)
* Thomas McKean (July 10, 1781 – November 4, 1781)
* John Hanson (November 5, 1781 – November 3, 1782)
* Elias Boudinot (November 4, 1782 – November 2, 1783)
* Thomas Mifflin (November 3, 1783 – October 31, 1784)
* Richard Henry Lee (November 30, 1784 – November 6, 1785)
* John Hancock (November 23, 1785 – May 29, 1786)
* Nathaniel Gorham (June 6, 1786 – November 5, 1786)
* Arthur St. Clair (February 2, 1787 – November 4, 1787)
* Cyrus Griffin (January 22, 1788 – November 2, 1788)

...

Arthur St. Clair (March 23, 1734/1736 –August 31, 1818) was the ninth President of the Continental Congress under the Articles of Confederation, holding office from February 2, 1787 to October 29, 1787. He was also a general in the Continental Army during the American Revolution, the highest-ranking officer in the US Army (1791-1792), and the only territorial governor of Ohio.

St. Clair was born Thurso, Caithness, Scotland on March 23, sometime between 1734 and 1736. He attended the University of Edinburgh and studied medicine under the renowned anatomist William Hunter. In 1757, St. Clair purchased a commission in the British Army and came to America with Admiral Edward Boscawen's fleet for the French and Indian War. He served under General Jeffrey Amherst at the capture of Louisburg, Nova Scotia on July 26, 1758. On April 17, 1759, he received a lieutenant's commission and was assigned to the command of General James Wolfe, under whom he served at the Battle of the Plains of Abraham.

On April 16, 1762, he resigned his commission, and, in 1764, he settled in Ligonier Valley, Pennsylvania, where he purchased land and erected mills. He was the largest landowner in western Pennsylvania--another colony established for "religious dissent", exactly like the Colony of Georgia.

He was intimately involved in the creation of the bloodline oriented Order of the Cincinnati:

The General Society of the Cincinnati is a historic association in the United States and France with limited and strict membership requirements.

he concept of having a Society of The Cincinnati was the idea of Major General Henry Knox. The first meeting was held at a dinner in Fishkill (near Newburgh), New York in May of 1783, as the British had not yet withdrawn from New York City. It was chaired by Lieutenant General Alexander Hamilton and the participants agreed to stay in contact with each other after the war. Membership was limited to officers who served in the Continental Army and Navy and also included officers of the French Army and Navy who met the same requirements. Membership was passed down to the eldest son, after the death of the original member. The criteria were to have been an officer in the Continental Army or Navy for a period of three years, an officer who died or was killed in the line of duty, or an officer serving until the close of the war.

It's the hereditary group aristocracy of the Articles of Confederation period.

Within twelve months, a constituent Society had been organized in each state and in France. There were about 5,500 originally eligible members, and 2,150 had already joined. King Louis XVI himself approved the French Order of the Cincinnati, which was organized on July 4, 1784. Up to that time, the King of France had not allowed his officers to wear any foreign decorations. He immediately, however, made an exception in favor of the emblem of the Society of the Cincinnati. Membership in the Order was so eagerly sought that it soon became one of the most coveted in Europe.

George Washington was elected the first President General of the Society. He served from December 1783 until his death in 1799. The second President General was Alexander Hamilton.

The Society of the Cincinnati has always been considered the premiere lineage society in the United States. Its members include many of the most distinguished military leaders and civil servants in the history of the country, beginning with twenty-three of the fifty-four signers of the U.S. Constitution. It is salient to note that The Society of The Cincinnati is the oldest continuous military society in North America.

The Cincinnati were integral in establishing many of America's first and largest cities to the west of the Appalachians, most notably Cincinnati, Ohio and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The first governor of the Northwest Territory, Arthur St. Clair, was a member of the Society. He named Cincinnati to honor the Society, and to encourage Society members to settle there. Lt. Ebenezer Denny (1761-1822), an original Pennsylvania Cincinnatus, was the first mayor of the incorporated city of Pittsburgh (elected 1816). Pittsburgh grew from Fort Pitt, which was commanded from 1777-1783 by four original of the Cincinnati.

It seems to even hold official rank, in the United States, where it is illegal to have such hereditary honoraria!

"Full members of The Society of The Cincinnati are the only United States citizens to hold a Federal civil rank, equivalent to just under that of a commissioned officer [all this though they are just civilians hereditary related to something that happened 200 years ago. It's basically saying 'if your great great grandfather was our version of a knight, you deserve special blood consideration and diplomatic OFFICIAL precedence--instead of just private group precedence--in the United States!]:

Even more official aristocratic U.S. precedence is given to the President General, head of the Society of The Cincinnati:

"The President General of the Society of The Cincinnati (General Society), who is elected to a three year term of office, holds a civil rank equivalent to a Federal territorial lieutenant governor. The basis for this is Congressional Order of January 29, 1885 and was necessary to determine protocol and seating arrangements at official diplomatic functions."

"While no official record has been made public, it is estimated that membership is roughly 3,700 worldwide today, including many living former Presidents of the United States, cabinet members, and their eldest sons. Broader-based organizations have been created, including the Sons of the American Revolution and the Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR). The only U.S. President who was a true hereditary member was Franklin Pierce [Barbara Pierce, his heir, married George H. W. Bush] (George Washington and James Monroe were original members) and Ronald Reagan was the last U.S. President to be granted non-hereditary, honorary membership as a sitting President by the Society of The Cincinnati's General Society. George Herbert Walker Bush has been made an honorary member since leaving office.

...

Anderson House, at 2118 Massachusetts Avenue, NW, Washington, D.C., houses the Society's national headquarters, historic house museum, and research library on Embassy Row--the most fashionable neighborhood in turn-of-the-century Washington--and across the street from the famed academic social circle, the Cosmos Club.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_cincinnati

There's a book out there to be written about "Merovingian Masonry". If when you think "Masonry" you categorize it all as one 'brotherly' thing, you have missed the point already and huge chunk of what is STILL going in Europe is occluded from you. The original bloodline groups here, truly an OFFICIAL aristocracy with diplomatic precedence exists in the United States in a little known American aristocracy. The same thing can be said for the networks of sponsorship around Merovingian linked groups in general.

There are of course intergenerational unofficial issues in American wealth and prestige.

However, the Cincinnati stand out as a pre-Constitutional group of military officer bloodlines--who not only fought against the Hanoverian British Empire, who were seemingly supportive of a serious bid to bring over the Scottish Pretenders for a kingdom in America.

The Stuarts however refused--even though at one point a potential 'palace' for them was built in the southern Quebec/St. Lawrence area, area I believe, replete with their crest emblazoned in the floor.

However, when they didn't come over, the place was destroyed while still incomplete.

That story comes from a descendant of the architect who was commissioned to create the 'Stuart palace in North America', mentioned in one of Michael Bradley's books.

This should not be strange.

Actually another Merovingian/Templar connection, is the Portugese Braganza line. With its Templar connections (the Portugese state simply renamed the Templars instead of agreeing to disestablish them, and put them under the grandmastership of the Portugese royal house. This royal house in the centuries still maintained its grandmastership over this group of ex-Templar organiazation.

The Braganza, with their masonic/Templar Portugese networks, moved to South America. They 'colonized Europe' in the process-- making Portugal the Brazilian colony of the Brazilian based Braganza royal house instead of the New World being the colonial area. The Old World was made the colonial area for a while. Brazil is another strange state. It's Braganza king was additionally hereditary Grandmaster of Brazilian Masonry. He personally greeted Masonic renegades from the U.S. Civil War on the dock and shook all their hands for coming to his "enlightened Masonic monarchy". [_Lost White Tribes book]

Same Conclusion

Plus ca change in the layers of the Merovingian- Templar- Christian Masonic protectorate networks.

This little slice of occult Europe is so different from the view that Masonry is entirely a secular revolutionary phenomena.

There were indelibly several branches. The existence of "hard Catholic Masonic hereditary aristocrats" are almost categorically difficult for most to get their head around, though, it's there.

Show me where we're modern. It's all a lie on one level. We're 'modern' to the extend that the aristocratic groups have wanted us 'modern'. It has yet to mean an unconditioned form of public government at all.

I'm looking forward to real modernism when it occurs, instead of this aristocratic pantomime of it that we have had for 250 years or more.

12/12/2006 10:06:00 PM  
Blogger smiths said...

heres one of the merovingian kings coat of arms,
notice anything familiar
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Armoiries_Charles-Martel_Hongrie.png

12/12/2006 10:28:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

Ah yes, Liechtenstein. I have no idea whether all the medievel history and royal sex magic is relevant or an elaborate smokescreen, but Liechtenstein certainly does seem to be a major center of money-laundering and other financial improprieties, including terrorist funding.

Looking through my files, I find references to Nazi gold:

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/Elkhorn3.html

The authors interviewed "a former colonel in U.S. Military Intelligence who specialized in tracing enemy assets. He claimed that only a tiny portion of the Reichbank's gold ingots actually reached the Vatican Bank, while the rest was held in cooperative banks in Belgium, Liechtenstein, and especially Switzerland." It was only necessary to transfer the paperwork on the gold, not the gold itself. Since, by that time, Dulles knew his telegraph communications were being monitored by the British wiretap operation in New York, he instead used couriers to "ensure absolute secrecy in moving the foreign currency and the ownership documents out of Switzerland . . . special agents of the Vatican who had diplomatic immunity to move back and forth across both Nazi and Allied lines. . . ."

Bush-bin Laden links plus neo-fascists:

http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/know/read.php?itemid=3306

Intel sources are also revealing more paper trails linking George H. W. Bush to the now defunct Al Taqwa ("Fear of God") bank operated on behalf of Osama Bin Laden, his family, and some of his closest business associates.

The network of Swiss-based terrorist financiers is also linked to the Muslim Brotherhood and prominent European fascist leaders. The Al Taqwa bank was headquartered in the Italian Swiss enclave Campione d'Italia and had offices in the Bahamas. It ceased operations after assets were blocked by a US Treasury Department order, its assets were frozen by the Swiss government, and its banking license was revoked by the Bahamas.

Al Taqwa subsequently changed its name to Nada Management Organization. Al Taqwa and a complex web of affiliate front companies and brass plates in Switzerland, the Bahamas, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Jersey, Isle of Man, Turkey, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, the United States (Delaware and Texas), Germany, Belgium, Albania, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, Sudan, Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania, Austria, Bahrain, Singapore, Thailand, Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Liechtenstein were reportedly involved in funding terrorist operations around the world, including the procurement of nuclear material from the former Soviet Union through Baltic intermediaries.

According to a EUROPOL diagram obtained by WMR, these companies included Iksir Holding, SA (Italy), Asat Trust (Liechtenstein), Iksir Ltd. (Bahamas), Gulf Center (Italy), NASCO (Turkey), Nasreddin International Group (Liechtenstein), Akida Bank (Bahamas), MIGA (Switzerland), and Nasreddin Foundation (Liechtenstein).


And a distinctly questionable set of talks on the future of Chechnya:

http://www.peaceinthecaucasus.org/peace/peacenews_shermatova.htm

August 30, 2002

A recent meeting in the duchy of Liechtenstein on Chechnya saw prominent Russians and pro-independence and pro-Moscow Chechens go some way to burying their differences, as they laid out a compromise plan for the war-torn republic. . . .

The gathering took - organised in part by the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya, two of his whose co-chairmen are the prominent American politicians Zbigniew Brzezinski and Alexander Haig - took place over three days in a small mountain village in Liechtenstein and was financed by the government of the duchy. . . .

Some reports of the talks have appeared in the Russian press - what follows is a detailed account based on information gleaned from participants at the meeting, who do not wish to be identified. . . .

Representing rebel president Aslan Maskhadov was his deputy prime minister Akhmed Zakayev. . . .

The participants did not intend to make the substance of the three-day meeting public, but a controversy over the involvement of the Russian tycoon Boris Berezovsky pushed it into the spotlight. Berezovsky, who took a lead in formulating Moscow's policy in Chechnya in 1997-9, has or had close links with many of the participants in the meeting. After a bitter falling-out with the Putin administration, he now lives in London.

So when Alexander Goldfarb, a lawyer close to Berezovsky, turned up in Liechtenstein and said he was representing the magnate, the organisers asked him to leave. He did - but only after a protracted argument. The others were afraid that a link with Berezovsky would devalue their meeting in Moscow. Goldfarb was more closely involved in a separate meeting between Rybkin and Zakayev in Zurich.


Berezovsky, Goldfarb, and Zakayev are currently, of course, all up to their ears in l'affair Litvinenko -- which causes that reference in the second quote to "the procurement of nuclear material from the former Soviet Union through Baltic intermediaries" to have a strange resonance. (Among other things, Berezovsky has ties to the Baltic states -- that's where he took Neil Bush to peddle his educational software last year.)

At the very least, it does seem that Liechtenstein holds a certain attraction for scoundrels.

12/12/2006 11:01:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

You guys do realize that you can walk across Liechtenstein between lunch & dinner without breaking a sweat, right? I know I was in Switzerland in the morning one day, and then in Austria a few hours later, and I know I saw the signs announcing the kingdom, or grand duchy, or whatever Liechtenstein was calling itself...

(Just a little perspective, between all the magical heraldry...)

And, yeah, I know I occasionally reprint some text, but only to illustrate my point, you see...well, okay, fine--if that's the consensus, I guess I'll live with the density. How about italics at least?

12/12/2006 11:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And that leaves...

Luxembourg!

Not to be confused with Rosa Luxemburg. Or Lexus. Or Fluxus.

And let's not forget... Branson!



You know, I think in the end the only person found not connected with nasty bloodlines, conspiracies, pedophilia, ritual slaughter, and bad music in Branson will be Thelonious Monk.

And the only "clean" place to live is the North Pole.

In fact, I think they recently released a box set, Thelonious Monk Solo at the North Pole.

12/12/2006 11:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrimp Souffle said...

Methinks that "anonymous" of the massive data dump has been imbibing rather too much of the Larouche Guelphian liquer mixed with the Twyman absinthe. It produces a decidedly elevated "high", but let's not mistake it for reality.

12/13/2006 12:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A while ago there was a CONSPIRACY RESEARCHER on NEW ZEALAND NATIONAL RADIO ("saturdays with kim hill"?)

and he believed NO CONSPIRACY, he ridiculed THEM ALL... but when asked

"which of the conspiracy theories made you think it could have been one?"

he said:

"The death of Princess Diana ... he was almost certain that it was foul play"

12/13/2006 01:59:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Anonymous said...
A while ago there was a CONSPIRACY RESEARCHER on NEW ZEALAND NATIONAL RADIO ("saturdays with kim hill"?)

and he believed NO CONSPIRACY...


I've got another one, the ever so level-headed Joe Bageant has finally thrown in the towel and joined our paranoid ranks. Joe describes his reluctant conversion in Somewhere a Banker Smiles (Muffled noises from the ranks of the babbling paranoid)
December 6, 2006

It's hard as hell to keep conspiracy theories out of one's mind these days. And I'm not talking about "Who really brought down the Twin Towers? or the "Are Zionists behind the Iraq War?" kind of stuff. The booger stalking my ragged old mind these days puts both of those in the shade. And it runs like this:

Is the consumerist totalization of this country and the world really a conscious plot by a handful of powerful corporate and financial masters? If we answer "yes" we find ourselves trundled off toward the babbling ranks of the paranoid. Still though, it's easy enough to name those who would piss themselves with joy over the prospect of a One World corporate state, with billions of people begging to work for their 1,500 calories a day and an xBox chip in their necks. It's too bad our news media quit hunting with live ammo decades ago, leaving us with no one to track the activities and progress of what sure as hell seem to be global elites, judging from the financial spoor we find along every pathway of modern life.

In our saner moments we can also see that it does not take dark super-centralized plotting to pull off what appears to have been accomplished. Even without working in overt concert, a few thousands of dedicated individual corporate and financial interests can constitute a unified pathogenic whole, much the same as individual cells create a viable dominant colony of malignant organisms -- malignant simply by their anti-human, anti-societal nature. We don't see GM, Halliburton, Burger King and CitiBank lobbying the state for universal health or clean rivers, do we? But mention unions or living wages, and the financial colony within our national Petri dish shape shifts into a Gila monster and squirts venom on the idea and shits money all over Capitol Hill. I looked at all this as coincidence for years until the proposition finally strained credulity so much that I threw in the towel and said, "Fuck it. There is only so much coincidence to go around in this world."


Notice what finally got to Joe (aside from my frequent requests to join us here on the outskirts of civilization): the weight of coincidence was just too much for the rational mind to carry. This is what gave Jeff such a burst of momentum and credibility when he launched The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11, not the zany explorations of the rituals of the Dark Side. Yeah, the quirky trails of DMT and other esoterica are fun (I've been down those paths many times myself, in an earlier, unsuspecting life), but you still have to use your head, even after you've fed it.

Common sense is what I'm talking about here. We don't need to grasp for hidden straws when the truth is hitting us over the head every day. I was arguing the basic truths of socialism with my friend the other day, and his response gave me some perspective, or at least some distance from the beast's belly, so that I could see my argument through his eyes:

Obviously the media as a whole frequently operates as a propaganda system for various entrenched interests - but there are other groups out there that have an interest in clean, cheap energy and avoiding the effects of global warming - and the media itself is going through a period of great change.

I think its important to remember that the US is an extreme case as well - things like universal health care, for example, are normal everywhere else in the developed world.


Yeah, America is an extreme case, the most extreme example of robber barons running a country in the history of history--looking for evidence of narco-syndicates and ancient bloodlines is small potatoes in comparison. The holy grail is not discovering who is descended from the fish people, it's in understanding that the entire wave of crisis--ecological collapse, poverty, despair, war & disease--is not only avoidable and unnecessary, it's a manufactured crisis.

I suppose we could spend our energies and our time "investigating" the dynastic chains of secret handshakes through history, but we could also choose to confront the official story and say, "Wait a minute. This is fake news they're feeding us. If we took half the defense budget we could fix the world." But that's not a very sexy position, is it? Much more exciting is the search for reptilian shape-shifter spoor.

Much more productive as well.

I know that sounds insulting to those off on those chases I've just ridiculed, but I'm not saying that the crazy stuff isn't true. My point is that nothing is going to get fixed that way, and that we do have the means to solve the world's problems, if only we can get the world's attention long enough to explain both the problem and the solution.

12/13/2006 10:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Grimaldi Burger said...

if only we can get the world's attention long enough to explain both the problem and the solution.

That is an awfully big if, Mr. Cuttlefish.

Just how do you propose to compete with Bread & Circuses?

Please answer in your own words without referring to lofty, obscure references and in a paragraph, or less, please.

12/13/2006 12:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like "Grimaldi Burger"'s nickname--and his concern.

I, though currently an egregious example of verboseness here in this instance for the record, actually have more of a Zen ethic when it comes to social movements--which is what "Grimaldi Burder" is really talking about. A recent haiku for instance:

I will circle back
To entangle in trivia
This enlightenment


I think it has been said before here, perhaps better, though you have to have a plan of action and ideals. People aren't going to shift or change simply out of "Rigorous Intuition Fear 2.0" if they have nothing to reach for at the same moment.

So I pointlessly continuing the fear side of the equation only ;-) (just kidding, I don't think its pointless because its...), the "what we're up against" sort of things, because I know it is useful in part for those who ponder to come up with more ideas, who to integrate, what to consider. This is mainly of course for those who want ideas and who do read and follow up:


Luxembourg AND Libya: the U.N. creating a Sufi theocracy, modernist people creating imperial territory

Other 'modernist monarchies': like Luxembourg, Belgium, Norway, even Lybia.

This is only a discussion of Lybia and Luxembourg:

First some background on a form of elite power rule: graded induction and its seeming use in the Jewish Essenes:

Essenes before we get to Luxembourg, because it helps to explain some things about the Templars and their round robin way of looking after each other and likely breeding with each other and sharing projects based on bloodlines of secret faiths:

The Essenes (es'-eenz) were followers of a religious way of living in Judaism that flourished from the 2nd century BC to the 1st century AD. Many scholars today argue that there were a number of separate but related groups that had in common mystic, eschatological, messianic, and ascetic beliefs that were referred to as the "Essenes".

...

The accounts by Josephus and Philo show that the Essenes (Philo: Essaioi) led a strictly celibate but communal life − often compared by scholars to Buddhist and later Christian monastic living − although Josephus speaks also of another [outside] "rank of Essenes" that did get married (War 2.160-161). According to Josephus, they had customs and observances such as collective ownership (War 2.122; Ant. 18.20), elected a leader to attend to the interests of them all whose orders they obeyed (War 2.123, 134), were forbidden from swearing oaths (War 2.135) and sacrificing animals (Philo, §75), controlled their temper and served as channels of peace (War 2.135), carried weapons only as protection against robbers (War 2.125), had no slaves but served each other (Ant. 18.21) and, as a result of communal ownership, did not engage in trading (War 2.127). Both Josephus and Philo have lengthy accounts of their communal meetings, meals and religious celebrations. From what has been deduced, the food of the Essenes was not allowed to be altered (by being cooked, for instance); and they may have been strict vegetarians, eating mostly bread, wild roots and fruits. [citation needed] After a total of three years probation (War 2.137-138), newly joining members would take an oath that included the commitment to practise piety towards the Deity and righteousness towards humanity, to maintain a pure life-style, to abstain from criminal and immoral activities, to transmit their rules uncorrupted and to preserve the books of the Essenes and the names of the Angels (War 2.139-142). Their theology included belief in the immortality of the soul and that they would receive their souls back after death (War 2.153-158, Ant. 18.18). Part of their activities included purification by water rituals, which was supported by rainwater catchment and storage."


A lot of that sounds like Templars which were graded induction groups of warrior mystic monks, collective ownership (though not impoverished!), and "outside ranks" of lay helpers who were work forces while the core was a monastic Druidic like caste of religious workers and leadership. etc. I expect (as others) that the Templars, were a continuation of this that went underground. That is why they supported the Albigensians, which had a similar ranked religious and laity framework. The Templars by default refusing to aid in their destruction even when ordered by the pope--though they couldn't really come out and say "we don't believe in you Pope" their actions of protection and infiltration and foot dragging within the Albigensians are known. Many Albigensians fled, with the Templar conquest, and aided it, of the Balearic Islands in the Mediterranean as well--which occurred during this time.

To Lybia: perhaps the most interesting:

First Lybia

Lybia was a monarchy created by the U.N.! King Idris WHO WAS BLOODLINE SUFI LEADERSHIP Idris I ( (March 12, 1890 - May 25, 1983) was the first King of Libya, reigning from 1951 to 1969. Born Sidi Muhammad Idris al-Mahdi al-Senussi, he was the grandson of Sayyid Muhammad bin 'Ali as-Senussi, the founder of the Senussi Muslim sufi order. [The U.N. 'chose' him as king. Bet you didn't know the U.N. gave itself that right, to create kings much less theocracies, eh?]

The Senussi or Sanussi refers to a Muslim political-religious order in Libya and Sudan founded in Mecca in 1837 by the Grand Senussi, Sayyid Muhammad ibn Ali as-Senussi (1791–1859). Senussi was concerned with both the decline of Islamic thought and spirituality and the weakening of Muslim political integrity. He was influenced by the Wahhabi Movement [which may be actually a Sabbatean/'Jewish ' bloodline heresy <---read the link if you didn't know about Shabbtai Tzvi global goals of infiltration and destruction of all world religions, which fit right in with mostly 'Gentile' Illuminati goals], to which he added teachings from various Sufi orders.

From 1902 to 1913 the Senussi fought French expansion in the Sahara, and the Italian colonisation of Libya beginning in 1911. The Grand Senussi's grandson became King Idris I of Libya in 1951. In 1969, King Idris I was overthrown by a military coup led by Colonel Muammar al-Qaddafi. A third of the population in Libya continue to be affiliated with the Senussi movement.

You like cheap easy themes, IC? Here's one:

You should know that the Muslim world and the Sufis in particular are "what the Christian esoteric aristocrats want" a bloodline based religion and state, ruled in graded induction.

I would agree with Craig Heimbichner in his _Blood on the Altar (on the OTO history) that by the 1930s, that is exactly what the internal and highest groups of the Roman Catholic Church leadership has become--by OTO infiltration. The ex-Roman Catholic Church is already turning itself into a graded induction framework run by what are in effect ritual sex and child sacrificers. Not that they are Catholic (which was the 'traditional' call of the Pope as the anti-Christ, etc., within European parochial repertoires of protest and history), that they are another religion that is taking Roman Catholic forms and will maintain them on the outside.

Here's how it went down in Muslim religion, without necessarily the 'update' of two faced religions like in the RCC:

First, most of Muslim sufi orders are graded induction forms of religion, perfect for cell formation and knowledge elites and maintaining ignorant masses as their model already. Second, in addition to that theme, they are bloodline based in leadership and in doctrine that it "has to be so." Third, another theme is governmental power in addition to religious power being organized on the same manner. Muslim heritage states are all heritage of bloodlines from the Mohammad family. Sufis are the same, hereditary religious orders where the hereditary is part of the dogma of leadership, per se. This is not to say that all people living in the Muslim world want that. Far from it. Most want competitive democracies and to be left alone by European destruction of their economies. However, it is what their elites want to engineer over them, and is what Europe wants to engineer over them.

The British Corporate Empire went hand in hand with propping up this kind of religious rule against "European ideas" of democracy.

Britain was regressive everywhere it touched--even at home (in Britain, where universalistic adult voting rights didn't even exist until after WWII! 'Mother of Parliamentary democracy' my ass. Britain is a joke. The Magna Carta mythology: it didn't benefit anyone except the 1% of aristocrats until the mid 1600s, who were of these bloodlines mind you [read the Magna Carta Sureties, by Weis], and its extension was 'not in the game'--it was still opposed well into the 1600s when its first test cases of extension (for knights actually, not for commoners!), and all through the 1700s it didn't apply for instance--the categorical disbanding of all unions in Britain in 1799.; and as said with the francise so limited in Britain until after WWII, Britain is perhaps the worst offender of false democracy: all of the institutions, none of the reality of participation.

Back to Sufi. Note the Templar dates and locations are the same?

"Sufism, during 1200-1500 CE, experienced an era of increased activity in various parts of the Islamic world. This period is considered as the "Classical Period" or the "Golden Age" of Sufism. Lodges and hospices soon became not only places to house Sufi students, but also places for practising Sufis and other mystics to stay and retreat.

The propagation of Sufism started from its origin in Baghdad, Iraq, and spread to Persia, Pakistan, India, North Africa, and Muslim Spain. There were tests of conciliation between Sufism and the other Islamic sciences (sharia, fiqh, etc.), as well as the beginning of the Sufi brotherhoods (turuq).

...

Origins

Sufism is generally reckoned to originate in the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad although some Sufi teachers have claimed that Sufism pre-dates Islam and simply adopted Islam as a suitable vehicle. [Sound familiar to Crowleyism? And there is quite a bit of homosexual induction issues (not that I care about that, ha ha) as part of the induction in some). Almost all traditional Sufi schools (orders) trace their "chains of transmission" back to the Prophet via his cousin and son-in-law Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib except the Naqshbandi order which traces its origin to caliph Abu Bakr. From their point of view, the esoteric teaching was given to those who had the capacity to contain the direct experiential gnosis of God, and then passed on from teacher to student through the centuries.

Back to Lybia, the U.N. Sufi theocracy,

taking a page from the British Empire?

or something else?

The something else I'm thinking about is that there's a lot about Illuminism and Sufism that conjoined back in the 1700s. I'm not well versed on that though, though it should make you feel very eerie and concerned that the U.N. is creating what amounts to a 'secret society graded induction state.'

In this particular U.N. created Sufi graded induction theocracy it goes back to the line of Fatima:

Sayyid Muhammad ibn Ali as-Senussi (1787 - 1859), the founder of the Senussi order in 1837, was born near Mostaganem, Algeria, and was named al-Senussi after a venerated Muslim teacher. He was a member of the Walad Sidi Abdalla tribe, and was a sharif tracing his descent from Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed. ...He built a great mosque an a university which came to rival Al-Azhar, but which was shut down on the orders of Khadafy in 1984, the graves and remains of the Sanussi family being desecrated at the same time. After the death of Muhmmad as-Sanussi his son Muhammad al-Mahdi (1859-1902) became the new leader of the Senussi order.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Ali_as-Senussi


To Luxenmbourg:

Inbreeding Buffet, same graded induction though for esoteric Christian aristocrats who think they are the Essenic House of David?

Luxembourg and Belgium and Norway are monarchies invented AFTER Napoleonic-English Wars, and with (in bold for IC...) the very very few families that surfaced as mentioned already. It all circles back increasingly to a few bloodlines. Luxembourg Buffet: admixed Bourbon and Hapsburg and Prussian (Hohenzollern) and Dutch/English (Orange) royal/imperial lines--AND NONE EXCEPT THOSE, they are first cousin marrying overlinks for the most part:

"The Grand Ducal Family of Luxembourg (House of Nassau-Weilburg, agnatically a cadet branch of the House of Bourbon) consists of the extended family of the sovereign Grand Duke.

The medieval duchy of Luxembourg was elevated to a grand duchy in ['modern times'] 1815; William VI, [2] Prince of Orange ascended the grand ducal throne as its first holder.

...

The first grand duke invented in 1815, was already king elsewhere:

King William I of the Netherlands, born William Frederik of Orange-Nassau (The Hague, 24 August 1772 - Berlin, 12 December 1843), was the second King of the Netherlands (the first king was Louis I Napoleon Bonaparte). He was named 'Sovereign Prince' of the Netherlands in 1813, proclaimed himself King in 1815, and abdicated in 1840. William I was also the grand duke of Luxembourg.

King William I's parents were the last stadtholder William V of Orange and his wife Wilhelmina of Prussia. Until 1813, William was known as Prince William VI of Orange. In 1791, William [inbred] married his first cousin (Frederica Louisa) Wilhelmina, born in Potsdam. She was the daughter of [son of Illuminated 'Frederick the Great'] King Frederick William II of Prussia.

That's actually his own cousin, and ties into the formation of Prussia twice over. Remember Prussia is pretty new, sort of like the cancer of military consolidation internally within the Holy Roman Empire of Germany areas--leads right into actually who consolidated the 'nation state' of Germany (and who supported Hitler, the Junkers).
And who were the Junkers? The "German Knights Templar"--durable aristocratic bloodlines who had their own theocratic (and truly criminal) state, known as the Teutonic Knights. Little wonder that Teutonic Knights and Nazism went well together.

This is the line that goes into Luxembourg:

Frederick William II (German: Friedrich Wilhelm II; September 25, 1744–November 16, 1797) was the second King of Prussia, reigning from 1786 until his death. He was son of father Prince Augustus William of Prussia (the second son of King Frederick William I of Prussia, (i.e,. the Illuminated "Frederick the Great" AND GrandMaster of Freemasonry in his statelet--I forget exactly which masonic branch), and his mother was (equally imperial) Louise Amalie of Brunswick-Lüneburg. Even his mother's sister was married into his family: His mother's elder sister, Elisabeth, was the wife of Augustus William's brother, King Frederick II ("Frederick the Great"). That's double cousins in one generation. It's positively Egyptian royalty...

The medieval duchy of Luxembourg was elevated to a grand duchy in 1815; William VI, Prince of Orange ascended the grand ducal throne as its first holder. William was through his Prussian mother a descendant of the medieval heiress Anne, Duchess of Luxembourg,....

And who's Anne? The last imperial lines emperor's daughter into the 1800s.

Anne of Bohemia and Austria (1432 – 1462) was a Duchess of Luxembourg in her own right, and as consort, Landgravine of Thuringia and of Saxony. She was born into the House of Hapsburg, being the eldest daughter of Albert of Austria, the future Emperor-Elect.

Though small, the microstates are very mainline issues. They can show who is still around aristocratically with power enough to keep their little statelets. Do you think for one moment that national state conquests and particularly ruthless Illuminized groups who stop at NOTHING to achieve what they want, would not have toppled these little places unless they still have power in some sense that had to be accommodated--or were a faction of the whole thing? A future reflection of what they want, disguised as a throwback?

Moreover, you have to remember that within this imperial buffet that is Luxembourg, the dynasty itself an imperial one itself--long ago a short lived imperial Holy Roman Empire house:

"Anne ... also was a close descendant of the newly extinct Imperial House of Luxembourg, her mother being the last Luxembourg heiress, Elisabeth, queen of Bohemia, the sole daughter of Emperor Sigismund."

It was [this] Sigismund who started the Hollenzollern [Prussian] branch going with his favors [the very one that his later generations are still favoring 500 years later and intermarrying with, noted above in Luxembourg history]:

"The third and last German Emperor and fourth Bohemian king of the Luxembourg dynasty, Sigismund, second son of the Emperor Charles IV, was born in Nuremberg. Sigismund was margrave of Brandenburg from 1378, succeeding his father, until 1388 he handed it to his cousin Jobst of Moravia. After Jobst's death in 1411, he again became margrave of Brandenburg until 1415, when he granted the territory to Frederick I, burgrave of Nuremberg, making the Hohenzollern family one of the most important in Germany. Why the most important? Because that is who created Prussia, and that is who remarried back into Luxembourg imperial house.

Franconian branch

Beginning in the 14th Century, this branch of the family decided on expansion through marriage and a purchase of lands. The family gradually added to their lands, at first with many small acquisitions, such as the margraviates of Ansbach in 1331 and Kulmbach in 1340. However, the awarding of Brandenburg in 1417 and the inheritance of the Duchy of Prussia in 1618 was to eventually propel the Hohenzollerns from a minor German princely family into one of the most important in Europe. [More round robin:] The family were supporters of the Hohenstaufen and the Hapsburg rulers of the Holy Roman Empire during the 12th to 15th centuries, by which they were rewarded with several territorial benefits. [and still are intermarrying with them in the 1800s-1900s.]


Conclusion

The ink an octopus spills can distract you from the octopus (and perhaps these posts), though the octopus is very very small and can compress itself when required to slip through trying times though its current size is little clue what it can get into or get out of (<----cute video).

HOWEVER, this is not a major part of history as I said. It's like the Wizard of Oz, you get there and meet the bungling guy and say "WTF? Is this all you are?" This is however one of those '0.00001% butterfly effects' that because of their institutional placements have a hugely preponderant effect regardless of their small size.

_Rex Deus, a book recommendation: A very "pro-Rex Deus" book here, where I might be described as an anti. :-) However, a book you should read for a nice description of the "normally unexplainable" round robin of a handful of families intermarring for at least 800 years where geopolitics has very little to do with it. Regardless of changing geopolitics, even when they are enemies, they are doing the same thing. They are conserving some esoteric ideology or blood (or esoteric ideology of blood). However, ironically, that's the perfect recipe to turn themselves into drooling mongoloids as well (no offence to the real Mongols, or to pug nosed Reiner III). It additionally helps to remember that Europe, though it may be center of world networks and financial capital in the present, 500 years ago it was the most backward and disconnected place anywhere on the planet. It never had really an overarching 'brainwash' of a truly consolidated empire in its territory, and lots of the religions that never died just sort of kept moving to the frontier. Much of northern Europe only had a state experience in the past 500 years, which makes some parts of Europe more durable 'pagan' or potentially esoteric than Japan (which didn't have state formation (over most of the whole islands as one) until around 650 and onward). These people were part of that isolation. No one knew anything about it. No one wanted to. These were the nonentities then in that situation, and with more power flowing into their geopolitical territory THEY DIDN'T CHANGE, they just kept doing the backwater things they were doing with more power to do them, and now they are just more magnified nonentities.

12/13/2006 12:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Silverfox said...

Well IC...

It was the spreading Merovingian rule over what is now most of France that led directly to the creation of feudalism and its subsequent adoption elsewhere by other emerging power elites.

A quite powerfull structure that still controls and dominates most of our existing social and economic order throughtout the western world while using every and any means possible to keep that little fact absent from our minds or convince us that that there is something definitely wrong with them if it is.

It was they who first manipulated and engineered the radical shift that transformed purely defensive tribal warriors into a military caste bent not simply on the defence of those Merovingian elites themselves but on the ruthless and brutal supression and exploitation of the very ordinary people they once defended to enrich their new masters and themselves beyond their wildest dreams.

It was the Merovinginians that knew how to "capitalise", if you will, on their advantage in arms and to teach them similar methods for the added personal power and privlege they themselves would bestow on them in return.

To gain untold riches for themselves and with but a small portion of it create that greatest and most fantastic oxymorons in the English language known simply as "the nobilty"...hmmm? LOL

Now the Europeans, with some justification, can identify and trace most of their elites right back to those same feudal roots when it comes to explaining most of the social and economic ills that they quite knowingly grapple with even today.

Their socialist and liberal attitudes and leanings and staunch aversion to war are hardly naieve in that respect. Unlike Americans they actually know what they're up against.

We have seen but a partial list of some of the more notable "noble" scions and the kind of documentation that is so readily available on them and the kind of power they still exert, but how are we to actually account for even greater and far more dramatically growing discrepancies in the US which not only has no such historical background but one that was intended to be antithetical to precisely such deleterious and backward developments?

Or how we do explain the relentless efforts by the US government and media to try and compell Europeans to accept even lower standards than they already have or create the impression both at home and abroad that most Americans all firmly believe that they should?

Now just prior to Reagan taking office the US had only 16 billionaires. During the Reagan years that number first doubled, and then quadrupled.

All at a time, I might add, when most Americans were beginning to experience the kind of harsh cutbacks, wage reductions and serious rollbacks of hard fought gains in pension and medical benefits because everyone was supposedly "feeling the pinch" and simply had to do their part.

Today that figure now stands at over 400. We might well wonder at what has happened among the mere multi-millionaires while the quality of life and standards of living in the US could only be described as being in "free-fall"?

Now it would be nice to think that these wildly successfull individuals have all come about because of some truly remarkable growth of equal proportions in the economy to account for it but that is hardly the case.

If anything the Us economy has actually been shrivelling while all this has taken place. By and large much of the money that has kept the US economy alive has far more to do with ordinary Americans borrowing even more and spending the equity in their homes as if there's no tomorrow.

There's more than just a pasing similarity between that historical feudalism we were all taught no longer exists in grade-school and fascism in our present era.

The latter is merely the modern face of it whenever it emerges from all the shadows and clouds that have been planted in our minds to keep it from sight.

12/13/2006 12:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...but how are we to actually account for even greater and far more dramatically growing discrepancies in the US which not only has no such historical background but one that was intended to be antithetical to precisely such deleterious and backward developments?

Getting some really different perspectives on what the U.S. history has been, for a start:

_Treason in America, by Anton Chaitkin

is a good start. You'll probably need a drink after (or during) reading, or at least read in in a place (like I was) where you could put the book down scream profanity, and just sort of sit back and let it all sink in... U.S. official history is the most useless laughingstock comic book there ever was. A history based only on 'feel good myths' is part of the graded induction (<---another good book) and is more of how elites generate clientelistic cult subservience in the masses and how they artificially brainwash the masses) than provide them with actual knowledge. America teaches its history like a cult would. This is very very wrong.

However, as for the original ideals in the snipped quote, yes. What you talk about seems to have been an ideal promulgated about 'cross national brotherhood' and 'mutual anti-colonialism of all republics' and 'no entangling alliances' which were arrayed and formalized against royalism, Europe, empires, and colonialism by the Monroe Doctrine (actually written by Adams though) as well as ideals of Washington. Adams as well is the President who began to openly "curse" Masonry in public speeches, for failing on its goals by the 1830s in the U.S.

Later of course the ideals of Washington and the Monroe Doctrines anti-colonialism and anti-empire were enacted by the colonialists themselves even as they cited these people as representatives of the completely twisted policies. The Monroe Doctrine of keeping out others, became keeping out others to dominate them for the U.S. imperialist wing. "no colonialism" became "these people aren't fit for democracy,....yet....though we're working on it honest....as we colonize them for the good of creating democracy....later....perhaps..."

The mythos of America is pulled into colonialism and empire and delegitimates the wrong thing--American ideals---when the ideas are not being used at all, they are being twisted. For how this inside out switch occurred that first book is very important.

12/13/2006 12:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

I'm with IC, these huge data dumps end up being, essentially, spam.

All of what you copy about Merovingians, etc. (and you've copied it here before) may be true, but it doesn't touch on the Fed. Or did it? I don't have time to go and parse every graf. You can worry about Merovingian blood lines all you like, but it occurs to me that it's a safe topic, whereas talking about the Fed isn't.

You know who your real masters are because you're not allowed to make fun of them. (shouted)

Heck, even WFB Jr. had one of his James Bondoid heroes planking the Q of E. Not much harm done, huh?

Not so the American presidents who've tried to dismantle the central bank schemes. They get assassinated.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7065177340464808778

is a nice survey of Fed history. Lays it on a little thick (check out the narrator's trench coat), but probably more pertinent than prolix examinations of powerless royals.

Not to disparage your efforts or your sincerity. I just don't think it's relevant to the current American dilemma, nor do I have time to plow through all your postings. We would all benefit if you'd summarize, and link.

12/13/2006 01:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah! FIRST, though who actually created the Fed. They were all mostly the intergenerational Skull and Bones families. Comb through the Skull and Bones list roster, and you will find that its not a separate issue at all. SECOND, the goals mentioned in _Tragedy and Hope, show that the "private central banking" was a common coin of familial control across nations in those 'formal' institutions. THIRD, you can still find that the private owners of the 'highest class' of private stock of the Fed are these international banks that are owned by these bloodlines. It was a quiet Senate Report or something that came out in the 1970s. You can find it on the web. I've got it on file here somewhere...I'll see if I can get you a cite.

Anyway. A few more geographic points about this topic of 'family states'.

Utah (Masonic) Theocracy and Bloodlines,

(Illuminated pro-British Masonic) Texas

(Sabbatean bloodlines) Israel

United States Presidency

1.

Related post on Mormon as Merovingian linked in the Smith line (particularly through the Goddards actually. Yes, as in "Goddard Space Flight Center.")

Utah, Mormon Masonic Merovingians,Broken Posse Commutatus; Religious Manchurian Candidates

So just what IS IT about Utah? Below, [actually at that above link] some quotes I thought all should be aware of about Utah history and politics and the 'national security' infrastructure and experiments there, and the bloodline and occult issues of the founders and higher-ups.

2.

And Texas

and Israel

The Masonic Origins of the Lone Star State of Texas, Utah, Israel...
author: connecting the stars, I mean dots...
arranged temporally, these separate geographical state autonomy attempts are interesting. They reward closer personal study of their interconnections, than really discussed here...

Texas --1830s
Mormon Utah -- by 1840s
Israel --- by 1940s

In putting this together, I would make a differention between Masonry and those other groups that have infiltrated Masonry over the years [Illuminists, Palladians, etc.], however, to utilize it for their purposes. [That fails to mean "one good, one bad"--only what it says--a differentiation though the same methods are used.]


TEXAS MASONIC PRIDE
---------------------

With the celebration of the new millennium, we have many things to look back on and be proud of. Masonry and the formation of the Republic of Texas are so interwoven that they cannot be separated.

...

From the first shot of the Revolution, fired in 1832 by a Mason, William J. Russell,....[oh shit...The Russells]

One of these, James A. E. Phelps, was among the five masons who met near the town of Brazoria and drafted a petition to the Grand Lodge of Louisiana that resulted in the founding of Holland Lodge, the first Masonic Lodge in Texas. [If any relation to the Holland Lodge in New York, thats a major lodge there that the Roosevelts, Astors, etc. all belonged to over the generations]

...

The Grand Lodge of the Republic of Texas was formed on December 20, 1837, in the Senate Chambers of the Capitol of the Republic in Houston. Representatives of the three lodges then chartered in Texas met, and Sam Houston presided. Anson Jones was elected as the first Grand Master. The first meeting of the Grand Lodge took place on April 16, 1838. From that meeting until Anson Jones, as the last president of the Republic, lowered the Texas flag on February 19, 1846, twenty-two lodges were chartered. Fifteen of those lodges survive today.

...

3.

UPDATE: ISRAELI whole capital is occult Masonic shrine;1960s plan for World Supreme Court

Date: 2004.09.20 12:02
Description: Here is what these groups planned to do with this building based on their 1960s statements, this building with a huge Masonic pyramid in the 'holy of holies' as a substitute for God in a Jewish temple arrangement, where 33 levels from darkness to light take you to where only retired judges have a non-public worship area near the pyramid base level....

If you haven't seen those pictures, you might be in for a surprise.

4.

On Mexican history, similar to this:

"The Grand Lodge of the Republic of Texas was formed on December 20, 1837, in the Senate Chambers of the Capitol of the Republic in Houston."

This is what happened in several instances in "Mexican democratic history." A very interesting book is _Puzzling Neighbors, dealing in a short book quite exhaustively what can be known about various 'occult republican' movements there and their external connections to the U.S. polities.

5.

08.Jan.2004 13:59
corporate dominance | legacies | police / legal cheney protests
Aristocratic houses behind the democratic institutions? An Analysis of Bush/Gore/Cheney

People may scoff that Kevin Phillips latest book, American Dynasty (2004) because Phillips calls the Bush family a royalist dynasty. "What?!" You may say, "we are at least democratic, there are no long term aristocracies in power!"

Or is that what the aristocrats, who designed your peasant schools and your peasant curricula, told you to think to make you compliant to their informal power? Read on, and hopefully the scales will drop from your eyes and guard you against still living royalists who ape democratic slogans.

Hopefully it will help you configure your sense of 'modern history' very differently: democracy as a work in progress slowly ridding aristocratic houses from manipulating the democratic institutions.

What if multi-generational families and aristocratic houses still exist and can be traced through the past two hundred years as easily as a royal blood line, connected with various political, scientific, financial, and corporate relationships—all intertwining?

I am arguing, the family state is still very much alive. It is only hiding out in a democratic wrapping as popular forms of governmental legitimacy have changed out from under it--from monarchy to 'democracy'--and many aristocrats want to see that discourse move away from democracy back to royalty, as it suits their interests.

While positionally speaking royal houses are still is busy with political marriages, conflicts, clientelistic sponsorships, inherited position and intergenerational inherited wealth, has much actually changed, in practice? Democracy seems a work in progress instead of something we already have. This globalized anti-corporate movement is finally ripping off the fake democratic mantle of these aristocrats who have been hiding out in the nation state for 200 years.

[

Nationalism and 'nationalism racism' hierarchies, historically viewed as a process of appeals, actually are inculcated by royalist houses and others of wealth to keep them from being thrown from power by democratic movements. This is very clear for instance in many European countries and the United States

Another interesting book:

The Many-Headed Hydra: The Hidden History of the Revolutionary Atlantic by Peter Linebaugh and Marcus Rediker (2001)

back to the quote:]


This is far from a place to make the full case of evidence I am familiar with, though it should be more widely known that both George W. Bush, Jr., and Albert Gore are related to one another—and this relation goes back several hundred years to British royalty.

1. [Bush Beats Gore in Presidential 'Blue Blood' Stakes, Reuters, http://news.excite.com/news/r/001017/11/odd-royalty-dc. ]

If royal genes have anything to do with electoral success, then Republican U.S. presidential candidate George W. Bush will be the next man in the White House, Britain's blue blood bible said Tuesday. Burke's Peerage, a revered guide to the breeding of the aristocracy, said both Bush and his rival Al Gore are of royal descent, but investigations deep into their heritage show Bush has far more noble and royal connections.

Bush is closely related to every European monarch on and off the throne -- including the King of Albania -- and has kinship with every member of Britain's royal family, the House of Windsor.

He is a 13th cousin of Britain's Queen Mother, and of her daughter Queen Elizabeth and is a 13th cousin once removed of the heir to the throne, Prince Charles.

Bush's family tree can be documented as far back as the early 15th century.

He has a direct descent from Henry III and from Henry VIII's sister Mary Tudor, who was also the wife of Louis XI of France. He is also descended from Charles II of England.

"WELL ENDOWED"

"It is now clear that Mr. Gore and Mr. Bush have an unusually large number of royal and noble descents," said Harold Brooks-Baker, publishing director of Burke's Peerage.

"In point of fact, never in the history of the United States have two presidential candidates been as well endowed with royal alliances."

Brooks-Baker said there had always been a significant "royalty factor" in those who aspired to the White House, with Presidents George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Franklin and Theodore Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan, among others, all boasting blue blood links.

Democrat candidate Gore, who is currently lagging Bush by one point in opinion polls ahead of U.S. elections in November, has a less illustrious gene pool.

Being a descendant of Edward I, he [Gore] is also a cousin of former U.S. president Richard Nixon, who resigned from the White House in 1974 for his part in the Watergate scandal.

But Gore does have direct links to the holy Roman Empire.

He is a descendant of Roman Emperors Louis II, Charles II and Louis I and is therefore also a direct descendant of Charlemagne -- the eight-century Emperor.

The problem is, Gore's Charlemagne links also make him a cousin of George W. Bush.



2. Second, the Bush administration is particularly nepotistic.[ http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=13493 . Nepotism in the Bush administration By Barbara Ferguson, Arab News Correspondent ]


"In the Bush administration, governing is a family matter," writes Dana Milbank in The Washington Post, who reveals a list of appointments that looks, to many, like downright nepotism.

"Two weeks ago, the State Department announced that Elizabeth Cheney, the vice president's daughter, would become a deputy assistant secretary of state. Her husband, Philip Perry, last week left the Justice Department to become chief counsel for the Office of Management and Budget. There, Cheney's son-in-law will join OMB Director Mitchell E. Daniels Jr., whose sister, Deborah Daniels, is an assistant attorney general.

"That's just the beginning," notes Milbank. "Among Deborah Daniels's colleagues at Justice is young Chuck James, whose mother, Kay Coles James, is the director of the Office of Personnel Management, and whose father, Charles Sr., is a top Labor Department official. Charles James Sr.'s boss, Labor Secretary Elaine L. Chao, knows about having family members in government: Her husband is Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), and her department's top lawyer, Labor Solicitor Eugene Scalia, is the son of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.

"Everybody knows the Bush administration is famously loyal. One reason Bush aides are like family is because some of them are family. Ken Mehlman, the White House political director, regularly calls his younger brother Bruce, an assistant commerce secretary, to get his input. 'He's a great adviser — I trust him like a brother,' quips Ken.

"Deputy White House press secretary Scott McClellan recently found himself in front of the microphones introducing a member of the president's Council of Economic Advisers, Mark McClellan. Scott called Mark 'my older, smaller brother,' and Mark replied: 'Thanks, my larger brother.'

"The Bush administration bloodlines begin at the top and flow through the rank and file," notes Millbank. "Secretary of State Colin L. Powell is the father of Michael Powell, chairman of the Federal Communications Commission. The director of the Federal Trade Commission's office of policy planning, Ted Cruz, is married to a senior official in the US Trade Representative's office, Heidi Cruz. 'It's a little bit like having adjoining booths at the county fair,' she says.

"Also on the fairgrounds are FCC commissioner Kevin Martin, married to Cheney aide Cathie Martin, and Cheney aide Nina Rees, spouse of White House speechwriter Matthew Rees. The brother of National Economic Council staffer John Ackerly begins work later this year on the president's Council of Economic Advisers. OMB spokesman Chris Ullman served in the administration with his wife, Kris, a Justice Department official, until the couple's daughter was born 14 weeks ago. 'She's never worked in the administration,' he says of the infant.

"Then there are the inter-branch families. Chief Justice William Rehnquist's daughter is at the Department of Health and Human Services. Bush is now pushing the Senate to confirm US District Judge Charles W. Pickering as an appellate judge. He's the father of Rep. Charles W. "Chip" Pickering Jr., a Mississippi Republican. If successful, the Pickering duo would join father-son combinations Jim Bunning (a Republican senator from Kentucky) and David Bunning (confirmed last month as a federal judge) and Strom Thurmond (South Carolina Republican senator) and Strom Jr. (new US attorney in South Carolina).

"Some appointments have brought questions of nepotism ... Administration officials say the appointees are qualified in their own right." State Department spokesman Richard Boucher denied a report that the deputy assistant secretary position was created for Elizabeth Cheney.



Plus, excepting Dick Cheney (who flunked out of Yale his first year), the Cheney family for generations has gone to Yale and joined the secret society Skull and Bones. Be aware that behind the democratic presidency is a tyrannical monarchical group of families [many within secret society networks as backup] desperate to show their true colors.


6.

LINEAGE CHARTS: The CLOSET CRIMINAL MINI-MONARCHY of American Presidents
author: Springmeier's research
welcome to your world, already in progress...to somewhere....

and you wonder why there is endemic organized crime protected in the world, when you have these interbred elites who keep themselves above the law? Look to your inbred leadership for why the world is screwed up.

25+ American presidents related....

12 from Edward I; 3 from Henry II; 6 from French kings

...15 from the same Merovingan bloodline


here

12/13/2006 01:49:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Not sure about the "cheap and easy themes" thing (was I asking for or promoting such?), but I will answer the question of how to compete with "Bread & Circuses"--by making connections, actual, person-to-person communication with people who write & reach many thousands of people with their work. I do it everyday. While it's true that I've never corresponded directly with Jeff (it always seemed superfluous, when I write here so much), I do talk to most of the people I link here.

These connections are important because memes are contagious--the more I extend & receive ideas, the wider the circulation that they enjoy. In that spirit, here's a lifeline for the despairing (or those afflicted with tunnel-scopic Icke-ism): David Brin's analysis/prediction of our seemingly doomed future (Singularities and Nightmares). I sent this to Mr. Bageant, since I knew that his descent into our world (Somewhere a Banker Smiles) was painful to him, but it's a grand expander of perspective for all y'all. Here’s an excerpt:

My contention--running contrary to many prescriptions from both left and right—is that we should trust Locke a while longer. This civilization already has in place a number of unique methods for dealing with rapid change. If we pay close attention to how these methods work, they might be improved dramatically, perhaps enough to let us cope, and even thrive. Moreover, the least helpful modification would appear to be the one thing that the Professional Castes tell us we need—an increase in paternalistic control.13

In fact, when you look at our present culture from an historical perspective, it is already profoundly anomalous in its emphasis upon individualism, progress, and above all, suspicion of authority (SOA). These themes were actively and vigorously repressed in a vast majority of human cultures, because they threatened the stable equilibrium upon which ruling classes always depended. In Western Civilization—by way of contrast—it would seem that every mass-media work of popular culture, from movies to novels to songs, promotes SOA as a central human value.14 This may, indeed, be the most unique thing about our culture, even more than our wealth and technological prowess.

It's only my opinion, but I do believe that reading the rest of Brin's analysis is a far better use of our time than chasing Merovingians (What the hell would you do with one in the event you did catch it?) because, so armed, you can then spread the word even further, you big meme vehicles, you.

To Silverfox,
Even if your theory were correct about the Merovingian origin of feudalism, so what? How does knowing this help you/us/the world? Knowing our past so as to protect our future? With what? (Who's the patron saint of fishes, anyway? Oarwell, can you help me out here?)

12/13/2006 02:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

Mighty Anon, I'll take everything you've posted at face value, and thank you for your scholarship.

You wouldn't by any chance be Charles Coulomb, would ye?

I must say, though, that any attempt to engage the American public with talk of Merovingian bloodlines will be met with either blank dismay or angry mutterings of "get the f*** outta here."

And these are the same "insubordinate Americans" who will save us, if we are to be saved, as I noted a few days ago.

They just don't do Merovingians (although I guess Dan Brown might differ).

There is a huge closed door of Bread & Circus (or, in fin de siecle America, creme brule & Le Cirque) blinding, numbing, stultifying John Q. What is the thin wedge that can be slipped under the door to pry it open?

I've argued in the past that a novel is, historically, the best method, although I reluctantly admit that nowadays a film is probably the only means of engaging a sub-literate public. Apocalypto might be "the most powerful film ever," but is probably not explicit enough in linking its thesis to post-millenial US politics.

Plus Mel's self-woven baggage.

I would think (ha!) a film beginning in Dealey Plaza, yup, the JFK hit, and brought up to the present, through the eyes of someone who was a small child in 1963 and who later attends Yale, gets tapped for Skull, and then becomes disillusioned (plot vehicle--by whom? His wife?) and tries to blow the whistle but finds all doors shut, the NY Time betraying him, until he's run to ground, ala 1984, and the American version of O'Brien tells him YO that's the way it is. (Before he puts a 9mm between our hero's eyes and the camera fades to a big flag waving in the sunset.)

As you can see from the above hackneyed drivel, I don't have the talent to write such a script. But I bet someone reading this blog does, and maybe such a film could be the "next step" for a public already "illuminated" by the 911 events.

Oliver Stone, call your office.

And now, back to your local stations...

12/13/2006 02:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

IC, we posted with a certain ... synchronicity
(like wow), but the Bageant essay is next, then I'll check out Brin. As always, good linking.

St. Andrew is the patron of fisherfolk, himself just kind of minding his own business on the shore when he got recruited into that minor Essene cult. As far as fish themselves...maybe Mr. Irenic himself, St. Francis.

Uh oh, I've been outed as RC. Plus I know the current head of the Society of Cincinnatus, and have actually supped in Anderson House, which I thought rather musty.

But the potage de poissons was tasty.

12/13/2006 02:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Merovingian Latkes said...

ic, what part of the bread & circuses do you not understand?

american adult males, and increasingly females, devote a substantial amount of their time watching, or are otherwise preoccupied with, sports, and that's just one example, albeit a pertinent one, of circuses.

think about how powerful a form of control sports are in american society? does joe fat fffnn blow subscribe to bageant's writings? of course he doesn't because bageant the merovingian is not bread & circuses. you writing to bageant and other merovingians isn't going to dislodge and unplug the somnolent couch potatoes.

12/13/2006 02:31:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Oarwell,

I wouldn't discount your ability to write that screenplay; after all, what's the competition? And thanks for St.s Andrew & Francis, two of my favorites, but I was actually looking for the saint of the lowly fishes themselves. I suppose Francis had that Dr. Doolittle thing going, on second thought.

Bread & Circus Person (gotta love the Latkes, btw),
I understand the mass appeal of these somnolent shows, but folks are waking up; you can't trust media reports for anything, including those pronouncing widespread stupidity & apathy. It just ain't logical. As for Joe, he's not a fish--he's a fightin' reiver (Drink, Pray, Fight, Fuck). And he's not continuing that tradition, so you see, there's hope...no matter what your sources tell you.

12/13/2006 03:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

Here's a nice Banionism, culled from that essay:

"It's too bad our news media quit hunting with live ammo decades ago..."

I quibble with his cell culture analogy: parasites is more apt. But anyone who quotes Michael Parenti is already on board the train.

"Latkes" must realize that we'll never get everyone on board. You only need a small percent, 2 or 3 or maybe 10%, because that's all that matters, anyhow. It's not class consciousness that makes me say that: it's just plain reality. Most people WANT to watch the NFL rather than have to read something. Only a minority read anything of importance: public schools, mission accomplished.

That's what makes memes so powerful, and that's why Jacques Ellul in 'Propaganda' made the astounding but true observation that it is the most highly educated who are most susceptible to propaganda, even though they might think themselves most resistant. The more tied in you are to the Kulturamoton (pardon the clumsy neologism), the Videodrome, the more you tend to crave their propaganda.

Which was true until the internet came around. Remember the way it used to be, how you'd obsess over a recondite passage in a Vidal essay, or a Flora Lewis column,
or search the bookstore racks for some Chomsky? Not no more--the internet is a Walmart of propaganda, counter-propaganda, spoof propaganda, and even, here and there, real information (and probably a lot of that industrial-sized Waldorf salad above is real, if not entirely germane, info). Our search has ended, and those of us who viewed things with suspicion all those years have (esp. since 911) had our worst fears crystallized.

That's what was funny about that Nation disinfo piece that made the rounds last week, the author asking how so many millions of Americans can function with such a high-level of cognitive dissonance? If millions of us think our government elites are guilty of mass-murder, how do we live with that?

Ah, there's the kicker: he didn't say "elites," did he? Only "government." And there's a world of difference, without that modifier: none of us think the postman or the lady down at DMV or the night-shift nurse at the VA or even our own local benighted representative is involved in elite machinations. It's because we harbor an abiding optimism about our fellow men, including virtually everyone outside the cabal, that we can function.

The homicide detective tries to solve his case, not imagining for a second that all of society has become murderous. Once he has solved the case to his satisfaction, he know he needs to have amassed enough evidence to convince a judge and jury.

In fact, it's not cognitive dissonance at all, when you think about it. We DON'T
hold two contrary thoughts simultaneously. We know
quite clearly that the bad guys, the elite machinators, and the good guys, all the rest of us, are two distinct groups.

We might be amazed that a cabal has seized control of power, but we don't confuse the cabal with the grunt in Fallujah or your average FBI guy. We are comforted by the fact that the more the cabal tries to squeeze us, the more people become away theirs a boa wrapped around their necks.

As more and more of the rest of us, that 2 or 10% who read and think about issues of governance, figure out just how deeply rigged the game is, then the tiny minority (no more than 10,000, all told, if that) of cabalists find themselves increasingly encircled, isolated and frightened.

Hold up mirrors to their attempts at terrorizing us, and kill them with their own gorgon-visage.

12/13/2006 04:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are some of the posters perhaps working on a book?

A book that sits on their hard drive when suddenly - Wow, here's a chance to get some of it 'published'!!

And out it spews...chunks at a time.

Essay posting seems misplaced in the comments section of a blog. It has all the appearance and effect of SPAM.

Why not spare the indulgence, link to your website and post a summary of your thoughts?

It's not that difficult and would be more impressive.

12/13/2006 05:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i'm sure many are familiar with the movie "from hell" and the subject matter - basically the theory that the jack the ripper murders were ritualized killings meant to terrorize in hopes of playing down the fact that a prostitute was carrying a catholic heir to the throne. this was done with full authorization of the secret intelligence network of the queen through the apparatus of a masonic lodge.

i noticed that this new information on diana being snooped on by intelligence agencies around the time of her demise has been coupled by this rash of murders of prostitutes in London. some are calling more gruesome than jack the ripper. i could not help but think of parallels and i can't help but think this is a repeat to drive in a subliminal point(morphic resonance)

12/13/2006 05:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

To anono 5:05--touche.

You're right, I am writing a book. Working title: "Merovingians Ate My Toyota." It's written from a Carolingian perspective.

12/13/2006 05:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 5:50 pm mentioned Kramer.

Kramer = Michael Richards = 33 degree mason. I always wondered, why him? Now I see. That "apology" was sooo fake. Apparently he's to be used to make us all realize we have deep seated hatred for "niggers" just under the surface that's ready to explode at any time. Hmmm. I don't have that anger. Do you all? I don't watch TV anymore at all. But I do keep up with the latest bullsh*t.

As for all the data dump stuff - I'd rather read the book, easier on the eyes.

ps I've had trouble getting on your radio station. Any body else having that problem?

12/13/2006 06:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wasn't even going to post this, as I thought it redundant, through IC and perhaps many others still don't see the point.

IC sayz:

It's only my opinion, but I do believe that reading the rest of Brin's analysis is a far better use of our time than chasing Merovingians (What the hell would you do with one in the event you did catch it?) because, so armed, you can then spread the word even further, you big meme vehicles, you.


I wanted to (once more) clear up something. No where have I argued that these 'family states' are the core phenomena that is going on.

So take that back. That's your own view which speaks a great deal about you, instead of what I posted.

History is mostly 'socio-politcal-ideological- institutional' change issues left out from all the above, instead of these strange anchoring families that happen to be an important part of European history. These families, because their organizations of gnostic welters of esoteric ideologies and the occult from the 'ancient world' had bloodline transmission as part of the dogma, made that important to some people.

However, increasingly as Byzantiam attempted to reestablish some sort of combination of sponsorship, reformation, and repression selectively for a state religion that absorbed and stripped simultaneously anti-state features, some just went underground.

Or since transport is really easy in the Mediterranean, they could simply leave and do their own thing elsewhere. And they survived at least around the late Roman Empire contexts as we increasingly know.

Whether we like it or not, its there.

First, since it is so widely ignored instead of because it was being offered as a metanarrative, is one rationale for mentioning it.

Second, it's worth mentioning since it's a particularly strange theme because its a static phenomena relatively speaking, in a welter of historical change. They attempt to 'readjust' themselves to re-coopt; built institutions, or work reinterpretation on others institutions or ideas; make sure they are leaders of some different movement, make sure that they categorically avoid sponsoring it; or actively go out and repress it. They are riding along with us in history, and the 'they' would have many different internal divisions, mutual self-hatreds, etc.

As the person who brought up the issue of the institutions of the U.S. Federal Reserve, with my caveat, the larger phenomena are the pseudo-formal institutions in which these smallish families are a part. That's what I'm talking about here-- NOT the families themselves which are relatively and by themselves unimportant. Mixed with their history of being linked in esoteric cults and secret societies, that makes them important instead of visa versa.

The formal institutions that 'we' have formalized are born of contention, and we are all a part of that. They are of relative degrees public serving or simply informal private clientelism serving.

Sometimes they are organized for the public, or by the public, though in some very spectacular cases (the U.S. Federal Reserve is one example) in many cases their entire invention is at odds with public pressure.

In huge 'managerial' attempts at institutions, which seem to be intentionally designed to avoid public or local input or gatekeep against it, I would theorize that this is where it is easier to see many of these families. That is the point, and its opposite can be demonstrated I think: they would want to stop something that has overwhelming support from being institutionalized or changed, unless it enhances their clientelism.

Thus, the larger issue is the octopus itself instead of just the head. It's the general 'social field' around these families that is at issue.

I attempted to indicate right off that because what makes these families special is their endless recycling within these secret socities. You can't separate the secret societies from the families in other words. It's one clientelistic network. We're talking about what they do, what are their institutional effects, and who they mutually self-sponsor. What really interests me is plumbing their mutual divisions with each other and why this comes about and what are the motivations of them and their changes.

I could care less about the families per se.

What is interesting is the real phenomena of 'families embedded in secret socities for multiple generations as collective inbreds.'

That's what we're talking about here.

Someone else might want to debate the fine points about details of Merovingian bloodlines and whether this chart or that chart is right, though that is a side issue from the parapolitical point of 'families embedded in secret socities for multiple generations as collective inbreds.'

Oh, in addition add 'who might think that anything they care to do is legitimate' because they have an ideology that (just two examples):

[1] they are the House of David or the 'best, original Christian leadership,'

[2] an ideology of intentional two-facedness as a test of how they can 'turn other religios frameworks and symbolism to their own, combined with global religious infiltration (Sabbatean families/dynasties). The founder of Turkey, Kemal Attaturk, actually was a military officer who founded a secret society first, then later helped to found Turkey as a 'secular public state?' Come on. He was likely from a Sabbatean bloodline, and was not really animated by secularism, but animated and was path for others for religious destruction because it was a 'release of the lights' in Sabbatean occult-speak to remove the 'dead containers of all religions' to free God. They were and are antinomian in other words. Many Sabbatean bloodlines were behind the attempts to destroy Russian Orthodoxy in the USSR. Rabbi Wise (who attempted to convince FDR that "there's nothing we can do about the coming Jewish Holocaust' here in the USA), was from a Sabbatean bloodline. The whole Zionist movement was run by Sabbateans, and worked hand in glove with the Nazi Party (see Ben Hects's Perfidy; Black's The Transfer Agreement; or _51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis; or read some Barry Chamish books). Sabbateans are not Jews. They are Sabbatean, and they worship if anything themselves and their bloodlines because Tzvi was their Messiah, and justifies everything, and they move in and out of other religious faiths as a test of their own. They prey on destruction as part of their religion as a sign of favor from God. Instead of worshiping God for example, they (this is literal) intentionally sin because that is the quick way to foregiveness. They are so incredibly antinomian that they institutionalized wife swapping and bastard children so they became once more a 'social field' of different families held together by their common practices. Other examples of holding celebrations (instead of mourning) on the anniveraries of the destruction of the Second Temple, etc. then having an orgy, etc. There are records of these things. They are additionally called Domleh, and attempted to get some publicity recently in Turkey.

[3] The Druze are interesting as well, though that's not particularly European linked, though may be early Christianity survival hidden under many layers. They are still very secretive graded induction sort of people.

[4] Another early Christian survival were in the marshes near the mouth of Iraq at the Persian Gulf, though mostly destroyed in the past half century.

There are several others I could cite (Church of the East and West, in India).

Thus, there are many examples of the phenomena I am talking about, instead of talking about exclusively the Merovingians. They're just one case that came up because of poor Grace Kelly.

There are many intergenerational cloaked groups, who are (duh) not Merovingian.

In fact, some would like nothing better than to destroy each other--even though they are all forms of graded induction groups. There seems to be, parapolitically, that I can tease out, a huge hostility (as expected) between Sabbatean groups and Merovingian esoteric Christian ultramontane aristocrats according to some Jewish rabbi research into these issues, work together in Illuminist groups. [search up Clifford Shack's website]

[5] Another group interests me. The historical Jewish Sanhedrin. In other cases (not really worked on this though it's something else staring us in the face), the potential 2,000 quiet existence of self-knowledge among durable ma'madot Jewish priestly castes of families, known as the Sanhedrin. Remember that rabbinates are post Temple destruction, instead of innately part of a feature of Judaism historically. Historically, there was a theocratic state where a hereditary elite were the judges of the Bible and of the law codes within it, and carried the authority to inflict punishment as well as were the only ones to enter the Temple directly. They switched out every year or so. Supposedly around 25 or so different families were like this, for centuries. You know they had a ritual sex act of impregnation of young girls in the Temple, hieros gamos style, who would be sent back to raise the child, then when it was an adolescent it was 'owned' by the priestly caste to teach for the next generation.

"Clean division" writing history would say the Sanhedrin simply vanished when the Romans destroyed the place after the 130s rebellions of Bar Kochba (SP?).

It ain't necessarily so.

[6] Another is the Desposyni. For instance, Eusebius, unless he made up this crazy story (he was after all state propogandist for psychopath Constantine I, founder of the Roman empire in the East later to be known as Byzantium)-- Eusebius in his Ecclesiastical History said that after Constantine was slowly allowing what was by then a Gentile-Christianity admixture to be sponsored, guess who turns up, even though it had been almost 200-300 years since The Romans had gutted Jerusalem and renamed it Aelia Capitolina and banned all Jewish people from it to attempt to pacify the Roman province?

Eusebius said a bloodline elite leadership cadre of representatives turned up, calling themselves the Desposyni.

The Desposyni (from Greek δεσπόσυνος (desposunos) "of or belonging to the master or lord"[1]) was a sacred name reserved only for Jesus' blood relatives. The closely related word δεσπότης (despotes) meaning lord, master, or ship owner is commonly used of God, human slave-masters, and of Jesus in the reading Luke 13:25 found in Papyrus 75, in Jude 1:4, and possibly in 2nd Peter 2:1 (Strong's G1203). In Ebionite belief, the desposyni included his mother Mary, his father Joseph, (and in the modern Protestant Christian perspective), his sisters and brothers such as: James the Just, Joses, Simon and Jude; in modern Catholic Christian belief, Mary is counted as a blood relative, Joseph only as a foster father and the rest as step-siblings or cousins.

As some asserted their descent from both king David and high priest Aaron, all male desposyni could have laid claim to both the throne (King of the Jews) and the office of high priest of Jerusalem. However, the Roman occupation of Palestine (Iudaea Province), with the collaboration of the Judean establishment (Herodians), made any attempt by a desposynos to rise to or seize political and religious power impossible or limited in scope."


They claimed they were hereditary leadership from James the Just. They said, as Jews of Jerusalem and leadership of Essenic Christianity, they had 'right of jurisdiction' over Constantine's newly state sponsored form of Christianity, so could they have just one bishopric (not called that yet I think) over Jerusalem.

The short of it is, Constantine said no.

So they went away.

So if Eusebius is correct, we have an example of a successful 'experimental' verification of such durable bloodline transmission. If they could handle 200 years when they were directly opposed, they can handle 1000 easily.

That was just six examples to show that it's not a Merovingian exclusive issue. Wrap your head around that.

There are many other examples with bloodline leadership cadres though they all fled in different directions. The Byzantine Christian Church and the (one among many bishopric nothing really special about it at all) Roman Catholic bishopric in the Byzantine empire are just a small part of the world and they knew it.

Nothing kept "Christian-Jewish renegades" and lots of other things that increasingly were repressed in "official Byzantine Christian Europe" from leaving.

However, Rome to get some of its historical power back sponsored Merovingians (who weren't Christians) as a strongarm for breaking away against Byzantium, and later as a continuing strongarm against expanding Muslim power across the Mediterranean with Carolingians. Why would supposedly the "Roman pope" do such a thing? Well, it may have family things once more. The Roman Senate, still in existence, was very hereditary and inbred. A lot of the early families of the Senate, simply went over and became major Church 'polticians' doing the same thing they were doing before in the Senate, in the Roman church institution. A lot of the Roman early papal and priest regalia was adopted wholesale from the Senate official state clothing, as well as wearing the purple, etc.

[7] So while the families in Rome might be considered another example of inbreds getting into the Roman version of the Church, and continuing their hatred of the capital move to Constantople and their political marginalization, other groups simply left the backwater of Europe that was incresaingly covered in invasion after invasion from the north, or from the sea, or from Muslim areas, ..

Other Gnostic or even Christian renegades fled to the far east (Iran or further; Caspian; India; even China had Nestorian Christians) or to the far west (Ireland-England-where it gets admixed in Druidic groups hiding out in Ireland mostly and Scotland; some indicate Essenic like Jewish culture survivals there as well at least until the Synod of Whitby in the 660s CE) and far north (Scandinavia/Russia/Baltic/Iceland where lots of pretty violent paganism (instead of violent state religion...) still existed and would until WELL after 1400 CE).

There's probably more of the real history of Christianity as well as Europe in the "heresies" plurality that survived than the effects of the world done by institutionalized Christianity. Food for thought.


Conclusion

What is interesting and boggling is the intersection of these families in 'democratic institutions' while a huge blackout exists on their very presence or the presence of those they have sponsored.

Many formal institutions are only pseudo-formal institutions because they are built selectively around how informal groups can formally keep power.

A lot of things are interesting about fluid history more than such strange 'stuck in a rut' static Merovingian, Sabbatean, Sufic, or (who knows about this) Sanhedrin things. Israel though, you can read news about it, wants to start up the Sanhedrin once more. That would mean of course they are thinking of springing some kind of "surprising survivals" of bloodlines on Jews? 2000 years? What is 2000 years to an inbred cult group? Nothing. That's the dangerous point. Dangerous because they will stop at nothing.


As said above this is one theme that is staring people in the face and they typically always blink at it, instead of attempt to stare it down and find out about it.

So I don't mind wasting a day or so out of my life presenting a cursory summary of my limited knowledge about the whole thing.

And Silverfox said, on the "spreading of Merovingians over France," the same thing happened with Normans in England/Scotland after 1066, as well as the effects of the Teutonic Knights into Eastern Europe, etc. That all three groups were tight bloodline invasions into these areas should be food for thought.

And as Oarwell said:

You wouldn't by any chance be Charles Coulomb, would ye?

No, not that I'm aware of. I don't think my likely arthritis, at that age, would allow me to type:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coulomb

Oarwell once more:

I must say, though, that any attempt to engage the American public with talk of Merovingian bloodlines will be met with either blank dismay or angry mutterings of "get the f*** outta here."

Ah! Since I hopefully have explained some other examples of what I am talking about, since the general issue is not Merovingians, don't worry about that.

They will respond to the general issue of gatekeeping against and intentional destruction of their democratic institutions, that concept is easy to convey. Polls show they are pissed. Be a politican, read some polls, find out what they are pissed at and then you can find a way to phrase it better.
:-)

Then you decide how far you want to take it past "elite".... take your pick ( "inbred occult"; etc.) However, if its a social movement you want, and institutional change and protection you want, details about the enemies of democracy or how to recognize them by their chins or eyebrows are not the important bit.

Thanks. And in talking about this, I am aware it's sort of a "damned if I do, damned if I don't though" sort of proposition. Indulgence? I thought that RI would be at least more open to such things, which it is mostly, intriguingly so, so I bothered to post.

Yes, I have thought of a book, though it's not a priority presently in my hectic life which is absorbed in much else presently alas.

I think this will be my last substantive post on this thread about this.

I could get into microstate areas Navarre or Andorra (Andorra is "Navarre reborn as second tier tax haven," where literally the "Co-Princes" are the elected head of France and a Spanish bishop, which gets into interesting points when you know some of the French Prime Minister's bloodlines though I will only leave you to wide eyed ponder that, and I won't get into details. ;-) (Or how many know that Oliver Cromwell was a descendant of English royalty as well. Food for thought.) France is very much a "Grand Orient Republic", from Philip Egalite onward... England may have been that way since 1066...

Something on General Motivations Here

I've always been interested in these strange microstate survivals in Europe, mostly as an antiquarian interest at first, fascinated and wistful at examples of 'the few long term continuities' in Europe (what I thought!) that 'accidentally survived' (what I thought!) into the the 1800s.

When I found out that they were high bloodline issues, that was one more issue of interest, since I was interested in that.

When occult organization things connect to their foundation itself, and those occult things connect to "Christian heresies" as well as much later revolutionary periods, it's even more interesting.

When they are not 'accidental survivals', though represent something intentionally surviving, it's politically important about not falling for a "sleepwalking modernism", when it might say something entirely different about what "modernism" is and what that says about European elites to this day. Particularly since something called the "European Council of Princes" is taking up becoming an overt political force, in so many words, attempting to foist the "More Merovingian" Stuart line back into England instead of the surrogate Hanoverians there. [the best ghostwritten book ever: _The Forgotten Monarchy of Scotland, by Prince Michael Stuart. In his conclusion, the Belgian basically lays out "I want to come back and rule you bastards, if the British people will have me" in so many words.

Yes, I think particularly a good summary book--on all the Templar survivals into states and microstates--and then into the 1700-present world revolutionary period would be very interesting...

You'd have to talk about Switzerland's different cantons foundation (note it's flag?); Spain; Portugal; Monaco; London's City/Temple Bar; Ireland (Cristo-Druids); Scotland (protomasons and the Sinclairs; the earlier Scotish kings; the Norman ca. 1066 invasion bloodlines (to the present! Cheney is one of them by the way...); Lichtenstein; Teutonic Knights; Knights of Malta (that almost got a state after WWII!; and in the "United Nations" the are a non-voting member! They aren't a nation! They are a crypto-bloodline secret society that requires at leasts around 300 years proof of lineage justification, yet there they sit at the "United Nations"); some islands in the Caribbean (perhaps Tortola in the Virgin Islands--which might be named after one of the last Templar strongholds in the Levant, Tortola!; the durable Monsantos, in the Virgin Islands; de Tascher in the Caribbean and Napoleon brothers and their double marriage into the bloodlines via Josephine and her sister; the raiding of the Bastille for bloodline documentation--the first British/BEIC/Illuminati/"Nazi lists"
in Europe for mass liquidation; Bornholm in the Baltic (truly freaky); the Baeleric Islands in the Mediterranean, off Spain; Sicily and the "Vespers" and the Mafia; Malta and female earth mother cult site; Crete (bloodline issues of who got it and had more authority than the Templars to seemingly have them forced to sell it to someone...); the unexplained purposes of why some Crusades wanted to conquer Egypt right off and screw Jerusalem and the 'Jewish Holy land', food for thought--did Christianity start in Egypt?; was the 'real holy land' the area off Egypt across the Red Sea?; Akenaten; the theme of the bloodlines wanting to set up their own state in the Holy Land under their bloodlines; what to make of Ethopian Christianity; the Black Jews of Africa; the bloodlines of Byzantium (Constantine onward!, Caesaropapism incarnate, just what they like); lay lines in Europe and the Templar sites; multi-religious use churches in Europe; etc.

You see, it's sort of an exhausting plethora of topics that this touches in "Occult Europe." Carpal tunnel hell. :-(

And even if the Merovingians ate your Toyota LOL, the Carolingians quickly married back into them by the way to solidify their power...while the rest likely went into the Pyrenees and from that toppling the rest of Europe is still feeling the effects...

12/13/2006 08:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

This stuff is interesting, and I didn't mean to disparage. Perhaps the length shouldn't put me off.

By the way, not that Charles Coulombe, this one:

http://www.cheetah.net/~ccoulomb/hermeticimagination.html

You might enjoy his site. He's a monarchist, really, and he has numerous pro-monarchy links (as well as some interesting essays on The Golden Dawn). Met him at a wedding a while back; ferociously bright, a former stand-up comic in LA, but no similarity to Kramer.

The monarchy links are here:

http://www.cheetah.net/~ccoulomb/monarchy.html

The link titles surprised me the first time I saw them. International Monarchist League...Sacrum Imperium...Royalist Party of America...Monarchist Society of America... very strange, to (most) American eyes. You would probably be intrigued by the "Almanach de Gotha" and the Almanach de la Cour." He even covers third world monarchies--Indonesian Sultanates and Indian Maharajadoms!

Enjoy.

12/13/2006 09:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

Sorry. Monarchy links here:

http://www.cheetah.net/~ccoulomb/monarchy.html

12/13/2006 09:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

Yikes. I just checked out the "Sacrum Imperium" site,

http://www.monarchieliga.de/

And I get this:

In memoriam Presidente Auguste Pinochet

Heute starb Auguste Pinochet und ich will keine Minute zögern, meine Gedanken in Trauer und Dankbarkeit auf sein Leben zu richten, ein Leben, das von zwei Affekten bestimmt war: Liebe zum Vaterland und Liebe zur Freiheit.

"Love for the fatherland and for liberty." Yuh.

12/13/2006 09:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Silverfox said...

To put it perhaps a little more succinctly...

Merovinginian = Feudalism = Capitalism

Got it yet?

Try this one on for size but be prepared to stay up late.

http://mypage.uniserve.ca/~synergy/toc2.htm

12/13/2006 10:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Silverfox said...

What a bloody nuisance links can be, well never say die or is that doh?

Curious isn't it? Didn't this somewhat unexpected drift start with Di and Dodi dying? LOL

http://mypage.uniserve.ca/~synergy/toc2.htm

12/13/2006 10:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Silverfox said...

Since Blogger has isisted on eating the last line of my last two posts I shall simply place it in the middle slap some quotes on it and see what happens...hmmm?

"http://mypage.uniserve.ca/~synergy/toc2.htm"

Sorry about any Yahoo trashcans or wherever your dead letter urls happen to take you.

12/13/2006 10:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Silverfox said...

It seems that I am unable to post this link for some mysterious perhaps even nefarios reasons. Please add toc2.htm following the synergy backslash.

This will take you to a site that is a complete text outlining the elistist and corporate ransacking of America backed up by quotes and information gleaned from all those same elites most favorite and trusted publications themselves. Forbes, the Economist, and the like.

12/13/2006 11:09:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Look, I'm sure the idea is maybe interesting, but it's still spam. It's not readable. Why can't a cogent argument be made of it, instead of a protracted Registry of Deeds document? Is sheer volume the proof in the pudding now?

Speaking of arguments, Silverfox, your "Merovinginian = Feudalism = Capitalism" is certainly shorter, but what's it supposed to mean? That the late-stage capitalism eating the earth is directed by Sirius-descended fish-men and we better just know that because...?

Both extremes (the 9000 page King Fecundo begat Princess Anesthesia begat...and M=F=C) are devoid of any argument whatsoever. What the hell is the point of all that stuff? What would you have us do now that we understand these essential truths? Crawl under a rock, buy some No-Doze, make some tartar sauce? What?

12/14/2006 12:25:00 AM  
Blogger RobertS said...

Much interesting reading, but:

To return, at the risk of giving everyone whiplash, by far the sledgehammer factoid of this latest Di death watch (for me) was the one which the kept media flashed at us for just an instant, like advertising's naughty attention grabbing busom, and which Jeff made note of: the Yanks making this weird noise about a national security cloaked audio peeping tom operation, Di as (main, partial or inadvertent?)target.

What's up? What are the messages? That the US intelligence [sic] community [sic], or their master(s) (if it or they exist) have some juicy damaging stuff (or maybe not) about - well, that's the mystery - and they're making - somebody - sweat?

Why is the black-spot message-dart hurled just now? And at who?

Could this be an indication that the British were beginning to signal terminal discomfort with the role of junior partner in high crimes and catastrophic policies, and that the US in return have played the you're- not-leaving blackmail card?

Which would leave the CIA buddy-competitors at M16 feeling royally screwed. In the back. Or was the dart-card merely for Blair and his gang? Betrayal in either case.

And would this signal that the US leadership is seriously, madly Desperate, their previous nukes in the quiver, grim-reaper, lord of the empire glare now vacant, deranged, bankrupt drooling?

To recapitulate: the British inquiry says re: Di. nothing happened go to sleep. And the US wallops the gong?

12/14/2006 02:34:00 AM  
Anonymous starroute said...

Can we pretend for just a minute that history doesn't exist and all of us were created about twenty seconds ago and faced with the task (like someone in a computer game) of figuring out who we are and what we're supposed to be doing?

Under those circumstances, those coming to awareness here on Earth who happened to find themselves with more than their fair share of wealth and power would very likely invent stories about how they got to that happy position and why it was all a Good Thing and preferably ought to stay that way.

Those without such advantages, on the other hand, would have more choices in their stories. They might invent ones which explained why everything was really okay because they'd be rich themselves some day, or their children would, or they'd get their reward in Heaven, or something like that.

Or, if they felt relatively bitter about their position and eager for change, they might make up stories about how the rich got to be where they were by being bloodsucking parasites, or alien reptilian overlords, or agents of the evil demiurge -- or anything else that might justify killing them and taking their stuff.

But me -- I guess I've been around long enough to get pretty cynical about all stories. By and large, they're invented to provide a rational explanation for why you're doing the stuff you'd be doing anyway on an intuitive basis. They can be useful to help get your bearings at moments of confusion, or to transmit tribal wisdom to the young and untutored. But any time you end up taking them too seriously, you're fucked.

I've done my own share of story-telling, here and elsewhere, but I do try to follow a few basic rules. (1) Keep it short. (2) Never tell the same story twice. (3) Be sure to throw in plenty of reality gaps to keep any of it from being taken too seriously. Even with those safeguards, I'm starting to wonder if all stories don't eventually do more harm than good.

We're here. We don't have a clue as to why -- except that we seem to be designed to solve problems. And all we can do is follow our noses, doing one thing at a time and trying to move along a gradient from less-good to more-good, like any responsive proto-organism floating in the primal soup.

Of course, that in itself is a story -- for which I apologize. But I will claim in my own defense that at least it's one intended to foster humility rather than arrogance.

12/14/2006 02:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks Silverfox and Oarwell for those links.

some commentary quotes off IC:

"Look, I'm sure the idea is maybe interesting, but it's still spam. It's not readable. Why can't a cogent argument be made of it, instead of a protracted Registry of Deeds document? Is sheer volume the proof in the pudding now?

What a whiner. No one is asking you to read it. Don't. I don't care. Use your little mouse, here's a reminder how. Change the subject of you want to talk about something else, no one is stopping you, no one is keeping you from that, I'm certainly not. I would encourage it. I thought so.

I want to hear more on Lady Di, Spencers, you know.... (And I checked, I don't think Kerry was Spencer, though Kerry and Bush's common ancestor is Edmund Reade mar Elizabeth Cooke, both circa early 1600s, with two dau, both daughters mar

1. John Lake mar Margaret Reade (leads to Bush)

2. (Yes those Winthrops of Massachusetts) John Winthrop mar Elizabeth Reade (leads to Kerry; Kerry's line intermarried quite a lot it seems with other Winthrops and even Cabot/Winthrops).


And for starroute:

Though, as you finished your own comment, I think you realized in a befuddled way your self-proclaimed policy of 'lack of a metanarrative, so shut up and believe that instead'...is a metanarrative anyway.

I think I'm just being more transparent about it, and if you follow me, less nefarious: I wanted to comment on this:

"But me -- I guess I've been around long enough to get pretty cynical about all stories. By and large, they're invented to provide a rational explanation for why you're doing the stuff you'd be doing anyway on an intuitive basis. They can be useful to help get your bearings at moments of confusion, or to transmit tribal wisdom to the young and untutored. But any time you end up taking them too seriously, you're fucked."

...

Of course, that in itself is a story -- for which I apologize. But I will claim in my own defense that at least it's one intended to foster humility rather than arrogance.


Well! Do you ever take your comments on that perspective too seriously? ;-) That 'humility' and 'mysticism' of yours seems positively puritanical--since it is directed at others and since it 'pretends to do them good'. The U.S. Puritans were 'humble' as well, particularly when they were burning people for lack of conformity to their form of disciplined individualist (dare I say mystic) view of Christianity, that was intentionally a removal of all social elements.

Frankly, the posh of "I have no stories, I am free, leave me alone as an ambivalent consumer", I think makes you as well as many others far more controllable by the very groups we are talking about. There are several examples I know of where
such types of mysticism was actively encouraged while a 'right punch' of corporate consolidation of your life, was quickly followed with handing out 'left punch' selling the very drop out perspective simultaneously. It reminds me of the way the Pentagon 'helped' the people on 9-11. They had available psychologists, passed out hot towels, t-shirts, and gave 'love dogs' to help people morn (instead of asking the freaking questions of why they banned helicopter aid from coming in or out, refusing to evacuate people to the hospital, refusing additional firefighting aid, and then 'helped' by taking a wrecking ball to the uncombed wreckage). Gotta love those love dogs they had around. Thanks, Pentagon. You think of everything, guiding the people around into immediate sympathy and morning, instead of "why the hell did you allow this to happen?"

Other brute force things combined with mysticism and emotionalism solace offered: The British did it in India, actually as the British monopoly corporation BEIC destroyed India and started creating famines from their policies, they simultaneously were 'investing' in India by encouraging a refurbishment of lots of Indian caste religion pilgrimage routes and pilgrim taxes to keep it up. The British/Americans did the same brute force combined with escape, with opium in China. The Chinese however got it into their head to socially mobilize against such befuddlement, so---

All stories aren't opiates of the masses, starroute. Some are amphetamines and mobilizers. Some are pesticides taken to parasitical elites. However, I think your version of categorical opposition to them can unwittingly be a form of self-administered tranquilizer. That is why such pro-hierarchical and escapist inequality versions of mysticism, such as the ones the BEICS or individualized mysticism stories such as yours, are far more commodifiable.

The Rockefellers did the same in all of South America (see the book Thy Will Be Done), with the common mantra "you aren't allowed to have a social ideology, only an individual ideology. Here, take a flavor of the month, we sell them all for your convenience!"

The 'global 1960s' perhaps were used as a vehicle to sell the same, to make sure that drugs and music were not used for the most part used for social organization or religious/intellectual experimentation, though were used for fey escapes and mass entertainment from (in the U.S.) the social organizational politics of Kennedies and King (and worldwide (against anti-colonial movements).

Your free to be mystic if you want, I've been accused of that as well, though don't expect my mysticism to be a willing pawn in someone else's intentional mystification, as opposed to mysticism, program.

An interesting example of mysticism and social activism were the Collier brothers who wrote the Votescam book. [www.votescam.com] They were involved in many late 1960s meditation groups and monastic retreats. Another example is Buddhist mysticism inclinations, though social activism, of Mr. Knight, who wrote the British/Australian bestseller _The Brotherhood: The Explosive Expose of the Secret World of the Freemasons, in 1974, which went through many publications for the next decade. It's still a stir in the UK. Knight in my opinion, was murdered. Other examples of personal mysticism that take social activist leanings would be many in green politics.

Then there is the opposite, which I think you exhibit.

I think you are playing into being a pawn of the very people you seem to hate. Follow.

Here's a little intro bit something I wrote a while ago, that I think addresses just what our debate is on and over, from my perspective.

THE FASCIST STATES OF DISNEYLAND:
American fascism as the perfection of fascist techniques


A bit of commentary on the image above: There are a lot of similarities between America and Germany, though the difference is actually a compliment to fascists out there: where Germany failed in the 1930s, America has succeeded. The compliment to fascists out there would be that America [I would add, as well its global reach] seems to have perfected State control of society and ideology far more than Germany was ever able to attempt or achieve, quite possibly because American fascist ideology has made good on Orwell's fear of the State dominating through complete control of the identity of individuals--from cradle to grave.

Let's call it State Individualism, which is different from actual individualism because it is a individualism that only serves the American corporate state. American fascism has entirely done away with any social ideologies--which Germany, Italy, Japan or other fascist [or leftist!] movements in Eastern Europe or Scandinavia had. The American fascist ideology of is one of (corporate state managed of course) State Individualism.

Here are some similarities between Germany's fascism and America's fascism that only shows that America's version is a more perfected variety of hyper-fascism. It takes the principles of State control and divide and conquer of the citizens to a hyper-level: down to the individual level.

...

1. Like Germany, a centralized media exists. However, unlike Germany, American fascism of State Individualism has allowed a very different kind of fascism than before: a special American hyper-fascism that is a combination of the historical corporate state fascism and typical police state repression, corporate interlocks, jingoism, and imperialism--combined with a public personae that is entirely disconnected from society instead of about it: the ideology sails over society and numbs it instead of asks for its participation. It sells escapism through particular state mandated 'individualisms' instead of actual individualism, it sells disney-esque cant, slogans, and jingles, each lasting 30 seconds for 24 hours a day, and endless kaleidoscope of blurring emptiness. The ideology of State Individualism is that the individual is a tabula rasa to be programmed with whatever State elites want, whatever emotions, whatever ideas, and this programming can be achieved year after year precisely because no one is given any manner to approach the issue of their manipulation historically. Updates, fads, planned obsolescence, deprivation, [certain forms of mysticism] and consumption are the techniques of State Individualism. What are illegal are localism, pro-active political action, [mysticism or religious movements that are social or even locally protective], and democratic challenges.

...

4. American fascism is so appealing because it is so beguiling: it pretends to offer individuation and freedom and representation though all you can ever become is an adjunct of some mass marketing or targeted marketing campaign, designed by American fascists to trick you into buying something (whether items or ideologies), by manipulating your values and numbing them into acquiescence instead of reflecting your [mystic?] values or encouraging you to proactively act upon them.


....it goes on at the above link

I suppose I could add that the whole 'futureshock fascism' aspect of it serves to create such a personalized view as well.

Starroute, I think your kind of drop out mysticism would fit perfectly in our globally 'updated' fascist society, extending out of Oceania, where the fascism is the fascism of the corporate individual, in other words.

Starroute, you seem to have quite a negative sense of power. Most theories of power have that negative cast. Hannah Arendt was different:

Hannah Arendt (October 14, 1906 – December 4, 1975) was a German political theorist. She has often been described as a philosopher, although she always refused that label on the grounds that philosophy is concerned with "man in the singular". She described herself instead as a political theorist because her work centers on the fact that "men, not Man, live on the earth and inhabit the world".

In other words, I don't think that even that kind of radical individualism you claim to mystically exhibit, ever even exists. It's a very social mental view with social effects just as any other very social mental view with very different social effects.

(An interesting bit of trivia: neocon neozionist neofascist Leo Strauss, who got a job teaching at Rockefeller central, the University of Chicago, was rejected in his sexual and marriage proposal advances by Hannah Arendt, who hated him and his philosophy:

"If the brilliant and beautiful Hannah Arendt, the German intellectual who famously described the 'banality of evil' at work in of Nazi Germany, had not spurned a young suitor named Leo Strauss, would Americans be killing and dying in Iraq? Not only did Arendt reject Strauss' affections, she panned his ideas. According to Arendt's biographer, she told the embittered Strauss that a political party advocating his views could have not place for a Jew like him. Strauss bore the wound of her words for decades. Even today, his followers the Straussians, despise Arendt. Could her reject have been the stirring of a butterfly's wings that led to the inevitable desert storm?"

Another person like Arendt is Norbert Elias:

Norbert Elias (June 22, 1897 — August 1, 1990) was a German sociologist of Jewish descent, who later became a British citizen. His work focused on the relationship between power, behavior, emotion, and knowledge over time. He significantly shaped what is called process or figurational sociology. Due to historical circumstances, Elias had long remained a marginal author, until being (re-)discovered by a new generation of scholars in the 1970s, when he eventually became one of the most influential sociologists ever.

His late popularity can be partially attributed to the fact that his concept of large social figurations or networks explains the emergence and function of large societal structures without neglecting the aspect of individual agency. In the 1960s and 1970s, the overemphasis of structure over agency was heavily criticized about the then-dominant school of structural functionalism.


As I said, a kind of drop out mysticism fits perfectly in a fascist society. Though sold as a cure, a drop out mysticism (from a seeming psychic wound such as yours--I don't care to ask, though I sympathize, it's none of my business) remains a wound.

I am a great admirer of mystics, though not really of misanthropes.

12/14/2006 05:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Miraculix said...

starroute's sensibility:

"But me -- I guess I've been around long enough to get pretty cynical about all stories. By and large, they're invented to provide a rational explanation for why you're doing the stuff you'd be doing anyway on an intuitive basis. They can be useful to help get your bearings at moments of confusion, or to transmit tribal wisdom to the young and untutored. But any time you end up taking them too seriously, you're fucked."

Now that's what I call 'Joseph Campbell in a nutshell.'

As a typist often accused -- and just as often found guilty -- of purpling the occasional bit of prose, I can identify with the free-wheeling freewrite style the erudite anonymous on this thread embraces as a loved one.

His/her anonymous approach is not just following a singular thread but instead finding structure in the fabric via the overlay of a number of significant historical threads. As such, though following the convolutions of King Fecundia and his lizard harem sometimes feels like falling down a dark well, I grok the writer's angling.

At once, having made a small sack of drachmas in the carpal tunnel biz over the years, I've also had to face the editorial fire and singed a few whiskers along the way. I know the honest value of brevity, but I also know the compromises made there often equate with "dumbing down". The proverbial double-edged sword. In the end, we each have our own style, which when well and often used develops that elusive quality known as "voice." See anything contributed here by starroute by way of exmaple.

A succinct statement easily repeated, packs a memetic wallop because the viral behavior of ideas in a socio-cultural milieu is rooted in the iconic nature of our cognitive framing biomechanics. Vast tracts -- especially from anonymous sources -- run counter-intuitive to this basic process, both at a natural and fundamental biological level and in the etheric state called consciousness in which we all (somehow) collectively participate.

Brilliant reductive statements like...

"Merovingian = Feudalism = Capitalism"

...can extricate a sense of the larger argument in play, but as the Iridescent One so rightly observes, at that point and in that form -- despite its stronger memetic kick, it is no longer an argument per se.

As for the other anonymous individual (5:05), who said:

"Essay posting seems misplaced in the comments section of a blog. It has all the appearance and effect of SPAM.

Why not spare the indulgence, link to your website and post a summary of your thoughts?

It's not that difficult and would be more impressive."

Sadly, I have worked with the spirit animating this anonymous editor-in-training. I suspect the carpal tunnel-inducing efforts of the former anonymous have little to do with impressing us, and the use of such blunt psychological tools by the latter doesn't appear to affect our confident and tangential anonymous friend.

Thank goodness. I've been enjoying these convoluted historical romps, for the occasional moment of added clarity. Seen as an overlay situated adjacent to the "official history", they are (dare I say it here) illuminating. Mostly, that can be read to mean that I haven't toured as deeply in his/her favorite rabbit warrens, though some are very familiar. My most significant dissident trigger was a media teacher in an American high school deconstructing television commercials. Today, it is re-learning pre-industrial ways of living and old hands-on skills like actual stone masonry (does this make me "masonic" by default?) and swinging a scythe.

Those who think it spam are playing goalie without a mask. What exactly are you defending? If Mr. Wells deems it okay, so be it. Find the scroll bar and move along. I find it refreshing that the abundant anonymous one has responded to each criticism without rancor and by bolstering his central arguument to the point of actual clarity and near-brevity by the third or fourth major essay.

Let the simple lesson be that editors and editing are necessary, for all our railing on at their ability to transform others raw ideas. In the end, we are all editors, our own editors, or at least we should be. That perception was picked up from the only other mentor from my school daze, a creative writing teacher who spent time as a small child in a Nissei internment camp.

Each anonymous follow-on connects to the back story of European royals and their morbid fascination with bloodlines. For what it's worth, the earlier Rowling observation gave me a hoot. I expressed that very same sentiment in an e-mail conversation with an English friend in the wake of reading Half-Blood Prince.

I, for one, am happy to wade through the long bog of European esoteric tradition and suspicion if the net result is a longer, wider and clearer view of the self-interested forces arrayed amongst us who remain largely out of public view in their aeries and enclaves.

Circuitous, yes. Long-winded, yes. Informative,yes. Slightly self-indulgent, perhaps. Spam, no.

I, for one, would enjoy seeing regular outbursts from this particular author -- whether here or by e-mail missive. As it stands, our methods and our madness are neighbors on the same intellectual cul-de-sac.

12/14/2006 05:33:00 AM  
Anonymous BILL HICKS RESURRECTED, Today, One Time Only said...

Starroute, your point above about self-generated myth-making for the purposes of self justification and/or explanation is a well taken, if understated, one. I do think it is a bit naïve when applied to the political class and priestly castes of myth makers who need to sway or swoon the masses into submission or somnolence.

I think that the core concept of a genetically endowed or divinely destined political or spiritual elite is, in general, one of the most pernicious falsehoods ever to arise in human history. Though surely one could argue these fables have served some useful and even salutary purposes at times in the past. I think that it just so, that those times are indeed past. And I can prove it with modern science (or Moderna Designs, as the tv bloke put it in Time Bandits). Consider this analysis, if you will.

As an on-topic sweetener I promise that this wholly original essay
will map threads
IRREFUTABLY connecting DIANA, the late
PRINCIPESSA of WALES, to self-styled
SWISS SUFIS accused of PEDERASTY,
pretending to be SIOUX INDIANS while DANCING NAKED in
(where else?) Indiana – the well-heeled but barefoot and BARE ASS
progenitors of the dying WET DREAM of the elite –
a single world mytho-religion
designed to keep the masses SPELLBOUND,
along with other such HIGH WEIRDNESS.
Rather than feeling like one has been RIDDEN ROUGH
and put away WET
(as is often the case on this blog and in this voluminous post)
I promise to bring it all back home, safe and dry.

I swear that it’s true. No tricks. Just read on. REALLY.
This is not a joke. Like Bill Hicks said, “No. REALLY.”

MOST IMPORTANTLY,
I promise, as God is my WITNESS, to quell the BARKING
dog of “bloodlines” once and for all,
and to lock it in its kennel where it belongs. Sorry DOGS.

Re the Anonymous mega-poster and his dialogue with Oarwell:

Oarwell, I think all of your points are on the money (punning allusion to the Federal Reserve intended), and yet, like you, I extend my thanks to Anonymous for the time and effort he took to put up his material. It was interesting, but I’ve already forgotten 99 and 44/100 percent of it. On much of the European material I have little with which to quibble. But like you said, so what? Well, yes, white like Ivory soap, but... As for the surface scratching viz. the Sanhedrin. There is vastly more to that issue, to be sure.

Just look, for two brief examples, at the fact that both John Kerry and Wesley Clark, by their own claims, are ancestrally Cohens, namesakes whose families each originally bore the surname exclusively reserved for the rabbinate, the Kohanim. Even the NY Times ran articles on this during the 2004 presidential primary season. There are abundant links.

Now don’t go all Mel Gibson and Michael Richards/Kramer on me. It ain’t about that kind of crap at all. I promise.

To long-winded Anonymous, since you placed your own disclaimer of having limited knowledge on the Sufis, I am inclined to cut you some slack there, but there are a couple of huge errors you obviously copied from someone else’s errant “scholarship.” This is most glaringly true in your conflation of Sufism and Wahabbism.

Sufis and Wahabbis are at completely opposite ends of the Islamic spectrum, and this is no mere false dichotomy of phony bicameral politics. The Wahabbi government of Saudi Arabia, which was cultivated as a nascent political movement and placed in power by the British in the 19th century, takes a very dim view of Sufism, and has quite restrictive laws and policies concerning Sufis. Something along the lines of Alabama’s treatment of its black citizens in the first half of the 20th century.

You talk about “bloodlines” of leadership or control in one or more Sufi tariqat. This is largely nonsense. And I can demonstrate that with some clarity. By the way, the Arabic word Tariqa (plural “turook”) means “way” or “path”(much the same as the Chinese word Tao). Not “brotherhood.” Not even close. It is not even from the same Semitic root word, which for “brother” is “aakh” (it looks more graceful when calligraphed in Arabic). You need some more accurate sources if you are going to stroll down this particular path of research.

As far as the “bloodline” issue viz. Sufism: No way, José. The traditional mode of transmission from one teacher or shaykh to his or her successor is via baraka. And yes, there are women teachers or shaykhas in Sufism. The universally admired Rabi’a, from Basra (now in Iraq) in the 8th century, is one of the earliest and most illustrious woman Sufi – beloved, quoted, admired, and emulated by Sufis from every tariqat over the past 1,300 years.

Baraka is a word which means “blessing” or “grace”. Baraka is not a concept exclusive to Sufism at all, but I am restricting the topic to that realm for this discussion. If baraka passes from one person to another in the succession of a Sufi teaching lineage, it occurs via prayer. Or it is simply present as a gift, an endowment from our Creator. (Yes, I believe in the evolution of life on a 4 billion year old earth over hundreds of millions of years. This is not about that.) Sometimes leadership of a Sufi order may be passed from a father to his son or nephew (with or without any accompanying baraka, mind you) but this familial mode of succession is by far the exception rather than the rule in the dozens of different Sufi lineages, which include the Bektashi, Chisthi, Darqawi, Malamati, Mevlevi, Naqshbandi, Qadiri, Qalandari, Rifa’i, Shadili, Tijani, among others.

See this excellent link for a superb brief overview of Sufism’s many paths, one which is replete with its own extensive set of hyperlinks:

http://www.arches.uga.edu/~godlas/Sufism.html

Ironically, the Mevleviyya, the tariqa founded by Sultan Valad, son of Jalaluddin Rumi in 13th century Konya in what is now Turkey (back then it was part of the Persian speaking world), does have some pretension to hereditary transmission, but this has more to do with the wealth accumulated by the order rather than anything remotely religious or spiritual.

In 1925 Kemal Ataturk issued three decrees which banned all Sufi orders in Turkey by writ of law. Ataturk literally shuttered all dergahs (sufi meeting houses) and he had them padlocked and placed under military guard. His decree also banned the wearing of any clothing identified with Sufism, including certain types of hats or headgear, as well as wool cloaks, particularly those patched together out of different scraps and worn as an indication of spiritual poverty.

There is a Celebi family that took exile from Turkey in Switzerland sometime after 1925 when Ataturk started imprisoning Sufis, a practice which still continues to this day despite the putatively “muslim” government elected just before the US invaded Iraq. Only two years ago one Mevlevi Sufi in Turkey was jailed and prosecuted simply for wearing a Fez hat (thank you Steely Dan). [WTF is it about hats and veils, people? Is it only nuns and mouseketeers who are allowed to sport their own idiosyncratic headcovering of choice? Get real and get a life!]

The Celebi family in Switzerland bills their current scion as the “33rd generation grandson of Mevlana Jalalu’ddin Rumi” (sic) and claims “leadership” of the Mevlevi order in absentia. However, the choice of succession for the Mevlevi shaykhs in Turkey and Syria and elsewhere has traditionally been, and is still, made by each current shaykh in situ on the basis of his perception of the nature of the religious insight and depth of heart in his chosen successor.

The last appointed shaykh of the Mevleviyya in Konya had served in the kitchen of the dergah as cook there for twenty-five years before he was named head of the order. And it shocked the shit out of many pretenders who wanted the post. Kind of a Muslim version of Putney Swope, if you know that film about a black janitor named CEO of an advertising firm. Hardly a “bloodline”. And the last time there was any significant de jure and/or de facto political power held by Sufis anywhere in the Muslim world was in the sultanate of Morocco in the 12th to 15th centuries.

Now, as for the current day, your assertion about Libya made so little sense I can’t even muster a refutation, because like Iridescent Cuttlefish stated about some of your other “data”, I don’t know what it is that you were trying to say.

As far as Sabbatai Tzevi goes, there is no Sufi on this earth that we inhabit that I have ever heard of who could even remotely be said to be a follower of his. This doesn’t even contain enough of a grain of truth to be dismissed as “poppycock”. I don’t know about some planet orbiting Sirius, but here? No way.

On the other hand, there is in fact a Sufi tariqa which may well have the kind of “one worlder” elite connections to which you alluded. That is the eponymously titled “Maryamiyya” tariqa founded by a Swiss citizen named Frithjof Schuon. The Maryamiyya claim to be followers of Mary, the mother of Jesus (Maryam in Arabic).

Schuon claimed a shaky succession from the Shadiliyya order in northern Africa, but the Shadili shaykh under whom he very briefly studied disavowed Schuon from the get go, claiming that he was only a novice initiate, and not even fully that. Donning his own imagined mantle of “shaykh-dom” after only a few weeks or months as a novitiate dervish, Schuon declared himself a shaykh to his mostly Swiss and French followers, and most all of them went along for the ride.

Just like white people, ain’t it? Now, don’t freak yourselves out. I’m white too, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it!

For a truly RI laugh at LSD-stoked spooks (the CIA kind, not Kramer ilk) mating with lizard people from outer space on top of pyramids, see this unparalleled minute and a half of stand up comedy from James Inman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoJOIq5ACBY

Bill Hicks meets Lenny Bruce: A white man’s lament:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtD1I4DhMs0&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpbMT-688-k&mode=related&search=

Double your money back if you don’t bust a gut, or at least split your sides, laughing. Of course, if you die laughing, don’t blame me. You have been warned.

Back to serious stuff:

Frithjof Schuon had been quite a brilliant philospher of comparative religion, but he became deluded in his middle and later years with some kind of messianic or avataric fantasy. Though he is deceased, many of his followers even today consider him an infallible guide. Just like the pope.

Before Schuon died he moved to Indiana in the US where, among other things, for years he led selected female members in “Indian dances” that he falsely claimed were based on esoteric practices of the northern Great Plains tribes, particularly the Lakota. Several women would dance nude and Schuon (the only male participant – natch) would wear a small loincloth, regularly flashing his privates to the privileged initiates. The latter detail happily provided by one of the women participants who remained faithful to Schuon.

Because he also included young adolescent girls in these dances Schuon was arrested on charges of sexual abuse of a minor, but the charges were dismissed because the judge found that there was no sexual intent or content to the dances.

Prince Charles of England is, in addition to being a member of the Lucis Trust, an avowed admirer of Schuon. Diana’s ex is also a patron, and serves on the board of directors, of a scholarly journal published by Schuon’s order. Charles is also associated with Schuon’s more broadly based school of religious thought, known as Traditionalism. There’s your Diana link, as promised. Free of charge.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, part one

But now, for the seriously important part of the essay. The final scientific debunking of all the “bloodline” b.s. It’s worth it to read on. If you’re strong.

Sayyid Hosein Nasr, chairman emeritus of Islamic studies at George Washington University in Washington, D.C. is also a disciple of Schuon. Nasr is a Traditionalist scholar, and also a Maryamiyya. All Maryamiyyas are Traditionalists, but not all Traditionalists are Maryamiyyas. There are several prominent Catholic academics and academic clergy who are Traditionalists. If they are also Maryamiyyas they have yet to come out of the closet publicly, though it wouldn’t be that much of a stretch.

Under the late “Shah” of Iran, Nasr, with the personal patronage of the Shah’s wife Farah Dibah, had founded and was chair of the department of Islamic studies at Teheran University. Like the shah, Nasr fled Iran for the U.S. when the shah was deposed.

In all fairness to Sayyid Hosein Nasr, here is a video of an interview he gave on the nature of Islam. Just to show that he has something valuable to contribute, as well. It is an excellent, brief, comprehensive introduction to the Muslim religion, elegant, accessible, and nearly flawless in its exposition of basic Islam. Really, the best I have ever seen. I sincerely recommend it if you are curious:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7163678675859613485&pr=goog-sl

Interesting enough, but let’s go to the issue of the appellation “Sayyid”.

Sayyid (for men) and Sayyida (for women) are, as Anonymous correctly alluded, honorifics bespeaking descent from Fatima, daughter of the prophet Muhammad and his wife ‘Aisha. But, since inheritance among Arab and Persian muslims is exclusively patrilineal, and the cultures are patriarchic, what does that mean? While it depends on which country or cultural group you may hail from, the short answer is: not a lot.

And just as George Washington was the father of his country, so was Muhammad the father of his empire. There are more Sayyids who claim Fatimid descent in the muslim world than you can shake a forest full of sticks at. So the name or title, while good for feeling or acting puffed up, hardly provides any entrée to insider status or elite power.

Besides that, it is also just a very common first name that anyone can give to their son. So, while I know a number of people named Sayyid/Sayeed/Said, not one of them claims descent from Fatima.

Ism schism.

Another term name used to denote family descendence from the prophet Muhammad is “Hashemite” as in the “Hashemite Kingdom (sic) of Jordan, which is really a masonic fiefdom. The grandfather of the current king Abdullah was an army sergeant placed in power by British intelligence. His son, who was made into “King” Hussein by the Anglo-American intelligence boys, was a CIA favorite, and was widely reported to receive an annual personal stipend of $25 million per year from his Skull and Bones pals at CIA, among other perqs. Even Skull and Bones’ own TIME magazine reported it. Sort of “in your face”, dontcha think?

Lest we forget, the equally diminutive, aforementioned “shah” Reza Pahlavi of Iran was installed on the Peacock throne thanks to the in-country efforts of coup maker Kermit Roosevelt (son or nephew of FDR, I forget which), who was working for his CIA boss Allan Dulles. Kermit engineered a coup by staging false flag riots in Tehran in which demonstrators falsely claimed that the democratically elected prime minister Mohammed Mossadegh was not a pious muslim, but an atheist and a communist. It was the first coup known to be engineered by the CIA as such, and Roosevelt famously bragged that he had overthrown Prime Minister Mossadegh for only $15,000, most of it paid to the phony demonstrator/rioters.

Two little Napoleons, not quite self-crowned, but with some help by us, the “good guys.”

Traditionalism and its Traditionalist adherents like Nasr, the shah’s chief scholar of Islamic studies and a proponent of the spurious Traditionalist sect of Marayamiyya, must be considered as a candidate for being the elite-imposed ‘one world religion’ not just because of the CIA and British “royal” family connections, but because it tends to conflate Islam, Christianity, Hinduism and even Native American religion (as they erroneously portray it) into one somewhat fetid soup.

Oh yes, and the signature political doctrine of Traditionalism avowedly derives from Plato, that only the “natural aristocracy” are fit to rule. Put a U.N. in there and you’ve got a more accurate “un-natural aristocracy”. The Traditionalists believe that democracy is an abomination, and explicitly state so in their literature. Btw, Huston Smith is a Traditionalist.

Not to be forgotten is the Dalai Lama, another CIA patsy whose personal “oracle” was on the Skull and Bones boys’ payroll in 1959 when he had a fitful “vision” that directed the Dalai Lama to flee Tibet for India and Western control. JFK Jr. personally authored an article about this in George magazine back in the 1990’s.

More recently, the Dalai Lama presided over an invitation-only meeting for several days in San Francisco with “muslim leaders” of the U.S., many of them card-carrying Traditionalists, who sought Dalai’s help as a public relations shill to the media. How sad is that.

So, back to the bloodlines thing and the proof that it is all imaginary. Not that these elite a-holes don’t believe in it themselves. They surely do. Just like the genetic researchers at Israel’s Hebrew University announced in the past year or so that they had isolated a Y chromosome-linked genetic marker unique to the Kohanim, the rabbinic Cohens and Cohans of the world.

As Dana Carvey, that old GHWB impersonator used to say in Church Lady mode:

How conveeeeeeenient!

But don’t be fooled. It’s based on a lie.

Look at this article from the London Observer Guardian entitled
“Journal Axes Gene Research on Jews and Palestinians”
by Robin McKie, science editor, Sunday November 25, 2001:

“A keynote research paper showing that Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinians are genetically almost identical has been pulled from a leading journal.
“Academics who have already received copies of Human Immunology have been urged to rip out the offending pages and throw them away.
“Such a drastic act of self-censorship is unprecedented in research publishing and has created widespread disquiet, generating fears that it may involve the suppression of scientific work that questions Biblical dogma.

“’Ihave authored several hundred scientific papers, some for Nature and Science, and this has never happened to me before,' said the article's lead author, Spanish geneticist Professor Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, of Complutense University in Madrid. 'I am stunned.'
British geneticist Sir Walter Bodmer added: 'If the journal didn't like the paper, they shouldn't have published it in the first place. Why wait until it has appeared before acting like this?'
[Why indeed???]
“The journal's editor, Nicole Sucio-Foca, of Columbia University, New York, claims the article provoked such a welter of complaints over its extreme political writing that she was forced to repudiate it. The article has been removed from Human Immunology's website, while letters have been written to libraries and universities throughout the world asking them to ignore or 'preferably to physically remove the relevant pages'. Arnaiz-Villena has been sacked from the journal's editorial board.
“Dolly Tyan, president of the American Society of Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics, which runs the journal, told subscribers that the society is 'offended and embarrassed'.
“The paper, 'The Origin of Palestinians and their Genetic Relatedness with other Mediterranean Populations', involved studying genetic variations in immune system genes among people in the Middle East.
“In common with earlier studies, the team found no data to support the idea that Jewish people were genetically distinct from other people in the region. In doing so, the team's research challenges claims that Jews are a special, chosen people and that Judaism can only be inherited.
Uh huh. Here’s the link:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,605798,00.html

Arnaz Villiena not only lost his editorial post at the international medical journal Human Immunology, his university tried to shit can him and he lost all of his funding, all because he published research which showed that, genetically speaking, Ashkenazi Jews and Muslim Arabs in Palestine were genetically indistinguishable, ie. that they were all part of one family.

Yes, we are truly all brothers under the skin.

But that didn’t fit in with European politics and the agenda for ethnically cleansing Arab Muslims from Eretz Yisrael, not to mention the purported genetic uniqueness of the Kohanim.

So he was fired and the issues of the journal were recalled from the medical librarys of Europe, the U.S., Africa, Asia, and Australia.

....To hide the truth that we are genuinely brothers and sisters, my friends.

Yessir, Yassir.

So, not only is that “bloodline” thing a complete myth when it comes to Sayyid and Hashem, it is also a lie viz. the Cohens and Cohans.

Just as it is a complete and utter lie with regard to “Kings” and “Queens” and “Princes” and “Princesses”.

Of course, in the case of the “Christian” so-called “royalty” we do have evidence of extensive inbreeding, a la hemophilia and the Hapsburg lip. So if the Eurasian “royals” are indeed any different genetically, it is in the manner of their being INFERIOR to we commoners.

Q.E.D.

Mission Accomplished part deux

Muslims, Jews, and Christians. Badda bing, badda bang, badda boom. Nuh uh, baby, don’t try to pass that counterfeit currency off over here.

The “bloodline” meme is nothing but one corrupted crock of stinking shit.

Though in this case the bullshitters have come to believe in their own bullshit.

Certainly that doesn’t mean that we should. Quite the contrary.

Brotherhood and sisterhood, that’s the ticket.

I will put my vote in with the genetic diversity of the masses. Strong and beautiful people of mixed blood. Mestizos. We are all that. Except maybe the wannabe “nobles” and the hemophiliacs and funny looking folks among them. You know who you are. Why not join us? Get down with the common folk.

We are where it’s at.
Two turn tables and a microphone.

Let the elite who want to stay that way expire on the shelf. Don’t buy what they are selling. Let it spoil of its own accord. Their “sell by” date is almost passed.

The last shall be first, and the first shall be last.

12/14/2006 06:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,yes I agree,that was quite lengthy by anonymous,should have gave a link instead my friend.That said,let me take you on a real trip,in the early 80's I had the privilage of working on the island named Palm Beach.The outfit I worked for did specialty stone,there were only two contracters allowed on the island at that time.In the four years I work there I witnessed the most incredible world,that exists along side the one that we feel is reality.You have no fucking idea what is possible in their world.I even got to meet and know Senator John Heinz,we work a whole summer at his mothers estate in Hobe Sound,just down the road from the Bush's compound.Even got to work at the Bush dump once,can't say I was to impressed.But always remember this these folks don't live in the same world as us peeons,later.

12/14/2006 07:07:00 AM  
Anonymous BILL HICKS RESURRECTED said...

To Anonymous One, who said "they don't live in the same world as we peons do".

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

Check your map.

They sure as fuck do.

To Anonymous mega-poster: After reading your latest 5:15 a.m. post I do believe we are almost on the same page. Or at least on facing pages in the same chapter.

Right the fuck on. Keep it up.

I read all your stuff, and though I only picked up a few new nuggets worth taking home and savoring, that was a few nuggets more than I got from any other post on this entire thread, or indeed on this website in the past week or so.

Keep on truckin'.

And okay, so I was mistaken....today....appearing two times only.

And by the way, it's true, We ARE just energy condensed to a slow vibration.......our individuality IS an illusion......and we and God are ONE.

I knew it all the fuck along.

Peace

B.H. Resurrected

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Anonymous cheeba said...

I just heard John Stevens on the BBC news announcing his conclusions on the Diana inquiry. His intonation was a bit strange: "From the evidence available... _now_... there is no conspiracy." A threat? A warning? A cry for help? Who knows?

Whenever a public figure makes an announcement, I can't tell who this stuff is aimed at any more. Too many concentric circles. Like that guy down and to the left who GWB seems to spend his whole time talking to at press conferences. Talk to the back of the room, George! Didn't they teach you nothing at Camp Cheney?

12/14/2006 08:21:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

B.H. Res, please come back, that was some fine material. As you say;

"And by the way, it's true, We ARE just energy condensed to a slow vibration.......our individuality IS an illusion......and we and God are ONE."

This idea connects to mega-anons idea that the sharp operators seem to encourage misguided individualistic expressions, that seem to sublimate more natural social expressions.

Anyway, thanks for the Sufi material and for setting mega-anon straight while still engaging with his ideas.

12/14/2006 08:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

Journal Axes Gene Research.

Galileo silenced.

Impressive.

As for Silverfox's
Merovingian=feudalism=capitalism plasmid, doesn't that kind of fly in the face of Max Weber's thesis, and a general understanding of the rise of the villages and mercantile class? Didn't aggregate capital make war on the leige lord/feudal/aristo system, emboldened (and covertly supporting) the protestant reformation against the fiefdomite Catholics?

Wasn't feudalism the antithesis of aggregate capital and mercantile power?

From the Wiki article on Max:

"Weber wrote that capitalism evolved when the Protestant (particularly Calvinist) ethic influenced large numbers of people to engage in work in the secular world, developing their own enterprises and engaging in trade and the accumulation of wealth for investment. In other words, the Protestant ethic was a force behind an unplanned and uncoordinated mass action that led to the development of capitalism."

I enjoy Raimondo's "bizarro world" thesis, sure, but must take exception to this kind of breezy Know-Nothingism.

Apologies to Starroute for taking ideas seriously.

The "Fascist States of Disneyland" article is very nicely done, but ask yourself -- can we really trust independent media?

Yes, sarcasm. Thanks, too, Anon, for the clue-in about Arendt and Strauss. Too bad Ayn and Leo never hooked up (or did they, and Michael Ledeen was their love child?)

12/14/2006 09:56:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

All stories aren't opiates of the masses, starroute. Some are amphetamines and mobilizers. Some are pesticides taken to parasitical elites.

Really? This turgid, oatmealesque writing is going to motivate the “somnolent” masses? They’re going to wallow through this miasmic, and yet very reductionist view of history, put down their remote controls and scream, “It’s the fish people, and they’re everywhere!”

And then there’s this gem:

Your free to be mystic if you want, I've been accused of that as well, though don't expect my mysticism to be a willing pawn in someone else's intentional mystification, as opposed to mysticism, program.

No, no—it’s just not possible that the elites, who are surely quaking in their boots at your lightning bolt revelations, would want inquiring minds to believe that dark, supernatural forces beyond our ken are moving through history and that we are powerless against them. No, they would want us to believe the opposite, that we can change the world, right? No willing/unwilling pawn, you. No mystification at all…

Miraculix,
Maybe you're right in your assertion that it's not spam, exactly, but the point of the whole conical worldview is hardly empowering, enabling, or in way enlightening. The opposite, RAW-influenced stream of anti-bloodline mystification from the Bill Hicks progeny poster is the sort of juice that wakes folks up and lets them believe that cosmic truths can liberate, not imprison them.

Starroute,
As always, right on. Any story that has to be so tightly held is automatically suspect. True/not true/maybe both is not an irredeemable capitulation to the "horrors of relativism" (as the tightly-sphinctered always scream), it's an understanding that perspective is the final, final truth.

To the disgusting commercial for Liechenstein: your assets should all be confiscated and your patrons should all be taught the lessons of the other end of the capitalist digestive tract, as intoned by Mr. Zappa:

As it applies to you and me
Our country isn't free
And the law refuses to see
If all that you can ever be
Is just a lousy janitor
Unless your uncle owns a store
You know that five in every four
Just won't amount to nothin' more
Gonna watch the rats go across the floor
And make up songs about being poor

Blow your harmonica, son!

12/14/2006 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

many thanx to grace kelly for contacting us from beyond. if not for her encouragement, this thread would not have blossomed into the masterpiece it has become.

grace, you are as elegant in death as you were in life. rest in peace, my love.

12/14/2006 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous borderer said...

Really? This turgid, oatmealesque writing is going to motivate the “somnolent” masses? They’re going to wallow through this miasmic, and yet very reductionist view of history, put down their remote controls and scream, “It’s the fish people, and they’re everywhere!”

well, according to you and oarwell, we don't need the "masses." they can continue to fuck, pray, fight and drink while the handful of us hold mirrors up to these nebulous and illusive "evil ones" until they melt like the wicked witch of the west, so you really can't use that as your argument because its double-speak.

12/14/2006 12:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Bill Hicks (in all his incarnations) fan said...

MEGANON wrote:

Here's a little intro bit something I wrote a while ago, that I think addresses just what our debate is on and over, from my perspective.

THE FASCIST STATES OF DISNEYLAND:
American fascism as the perfection of fascist techniques...

....it goes on at the above link


HAHA. I bet it does go on. And on, and on, and on...

Now take the four dried grams of mushrooms I taped underneath all your seats before the show and LET'S GO!!!

12/14/2006 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Bill Hicks (in all his incarnations) fan said...

No way, man. You are way out of line, borderer! Oatwell and irredescent cuttlesnob are doing big things!! They're spreading the righteous truths of small community socialism by communicating with other illumined, but, alas, anonymous bloggers and getting them to spread these same ideas. It might seem like a lit match at the far end of the universe right now, but soon it will be a raging wildfare of social movement and justice that'll light a fire under all of our asses. You know, as soon as the masses quit watching the NFL. I saw you! Get your eyes off that cheerleader's ass and let's get moving!

Give people with less education and book-lurnin than you a little more credit. Jeesh, you blowhards almost make me wish Shrub would come back. IC complaining about someone else's "turgid, oatmealesque writing"?! That's rich!

12/14/2006 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Horton said...

of figuring out who we are and what we're supposed to be doing?

Don't you think it would be more appropriate to find out "what" we are prior to determining "who" we are. I mean, afterall, we're only 20 seconds old for Christ's sake. We haven't even had ample time to form a "who."

Also, the phrase "what we're supposed to be doing" doesn't sit well with me. It smells of predeterminism. Why would you presume we're supposed to be doing anything, or at least one thing over another?

12/14/2006 12:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Quaker Oats said...

That oatmeal helps mitigate the metaphorical plaque that compromises out arteries, I'll have you know. Plus, it's a good source of fiber for those who are constipated.

12/14/2006 12:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

Actually, it's a decent essay. Here's the Reader's Digest version:

"Another way that American fascism has perfected a divide and conquer strategy in party politics is by making the One Party State into a Two Headed Beast. This effectively co-opts any grass roots movements whether the right or the left into the waiting maw of either of the two wings of the same corporate state party. American fascists are in domination of both the Democratic or the Republican parties. Their agenda, whether domestically or for foreign policy is identical. You can vote for only their American fascist candidates.

Like Germany, American fascism's is a divide and conquer ideology. Though instead of on racism or Aryanism, it is fascism of the individual, a wider chaos. Instead of dividing people up into ethnic groups with state propaganda, and then going after each one group separately, the state propaganda is down to the level of individuals, and the police state under Homeland security goes after particular individuals based on your consumption patterns, or your reading materials. Like Germany, like Hitler, all 500 channels in America are centrally programmed from the same corporate ideology. Like Germany, like Hitler, the secret police record everything and watch everyone's moves.

American fascism is enshrined in the micro perspective of psychology, which has been instrumentallized and warped into being an experimental science of the police security State aspects of American fascism-as it was under Germany as well. This is documented quite well in a pithy chapter by McGowan's book Understanding the F-Word (2002). McGowan discusses in his book in how the discipline of psychology as practiced in the United States has always been a part of the State military or police mechanisms of experimental control over persons, as in this discipline (funded mostly by military budgets interestingly enough) the State learns to manipulate individuals successfully through motivation priming, enflaming outrage, generating fear, testing biological compounds upon them, or even killing them under different regimes and tabulating the results to see what methods are most efficient.

Like Germany, American fascism has a privatized through centralized money context actually designed off German models thanks to many including the Warburg family (another important European international banking family that can trace its lineage for around 400 years as international bankers). This 'centralized-privatized' American corporate state context had been attempted for over 100 years in the United States and had been rejected. It was passed with what amounted to high corruption. The best summary I have found is in Epperson's the Unseen Hand (though this book is an invaluable summary of research, beware of the religious motivations-instead of simply historic-of this book!), or Antony Sutton's The Federal Reserve Conspiracy. First, this American corporate state framework has enslaved the American public to an American Federal Reserve all stock is privately owned monopoly stock: nothing public ever can touch that or complain about their 'scientifically' created depressions or inflations that are designed to shift debt and wealth to them whenever they want by manipulating the price of money and interest payments in bank debt of citizens. Second, this corporate state that administers the financial relations of American fascism creates massive debt severage of the American government itself to international private bankers who hold the bonds (literal and figurative) of the United States.

Unlike Germany, which had a state ideology interestingly enough of environmentalism, health, and well toned bodies, American fascism has propagandized through State Individualism ideologies in the interest of protecting ecological degradation as a "individual [corporate state] right", to protect ill health and lack of hospital care and medical coverage for 40 million of its citizens, and to protect a people who are all 50% overweight from ever seriously considering the health ramifications of their lives or their foods or their terrible medical care (The American corporate state hospital framework is the third leading cause of death in the United States [malpractice, erroneous administration of 'treatments'], according to the New England Journal of Medicine.)

Each side of this beast rides each other in a feedback loop of expansion, keeping the whole American-proxy world headed on a consumptive goosestep towards a combined health, ecological, and economic abyss. Mass consumers as a mass pressure of individuals though decidedly separated (who consume State Individualism sponsored modes of being) are partially to blame for American fascism. They are raised to know nothing else. As Germans had to be led to follow along, citizens under American fascism are born into a crade-to-grave context of American fascism and know nothing else: they simply coast along from kindergarten to elder care, sucked dry at every step.

What are the characteristics of people under American fascism? American fascism's mass politics are mass consumers. They are chracterized by mass ambivalence, low self worth, and fear of politics for the most part. They are unable to form opinions or carry their memories beyond a very short term period. America is without a history, without a means of gaining one. Bring them anything, anything that will keep up the suspension of disbelief: the Nuremberg rallies in the United States are consumptive, manipulative-behaviorist, and individuated--instead of political mass rallies.

And furthermore, any localisms to get out are swooped down upon by American fascism to get commodified and spun as marketing strategies back to the consumer masses, denutered of course of their political messages: for instance, the co-option of folk music beginning in the early 1960s, the co-option of rock music by the early 1970s, the co-option of any attempts at serious news reporting (the invention of the cloying style of "happy voice" on news is only from 1970!) and the extreme reduction of foreign news and labor news from the late 1970s onward have created a bubble world, almost a separate planet called America, on this shared planet. America is a parasite to the earth..."

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Nothing exceptional there, just cogent analysis of Mussolini's vision, Betty Crocker/Marlboro Man-style.

It even has a Devo-like coda: "Await your programming." And keep updating, and keep watching. Do you have an identity without it? Prepared to be sculpted! Brainless Couch Potatoes, Standby!"

Of course, that's a bit smug, but probably is simply an understandable manifestation of alienation from the mythos of the heroic Massman.

Mirror, mirror, on the wall
Who's the greediest of them all?

'Massman' is, of course, a convenient fiction, useful when generating orc-armies of debtbots and deracinated vidheads, some of whom can be employed in spreading thick the sauce of Democracy upon the black bread of the world when not mindlessly generating wealth for the owners.

12/14/2006 12:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

Hey Hicks: I've already written twice (quoting Bill Kauffman quoting Robert Frost) that it is those same unwashed "insubordinate Americans" who will save us, if we are to be saved.

I'm under no illusion about the efforts of epicene pointy-heads: hell, look what the Straussian pointy-heads got us into in Iraq. It's the "bull-headed, fuck-you" crowd that will finally win the day.

But surely, Mr. Scoffer, Mr. Dead Comic, you must admit that SOMEONE steers that pickup truck-driving, massively-bicep'd, NASCAR-sucking juggernaut? Today it's John Madden (or whoever--is he still alive?), in best "They Live" fashion bleating "sleep...obey...touchdown...sleep...obey...," but the whole point of resisting fascism

uh, hold on, my microwave's beeping

12/14/2006 01:02:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

IC complaining about someone else's "turgid, oatmealesque writing"?! That's rich!

Well, it takes one to know one, right? Furthermore, my oatmeal, the encouraging variety that tells you all things are still possible, will surely clean more
"metaphorical plaque" from the collective arsch of the NFL worshipping crowd than the blood-lined pudding that has so thoroughly clogged this thread. You are what you consume; or, again in the parlance of FZ, "You are what you is."

12/14/2006 01:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

quotes

To the disgusting commercial for Liechenstein:...

I thought it was hilarous, it read like its own satire.

quote

As for Silverfox's
Merovingian=feudalism=capitalism plasmid, doesn't that kind of fly in the face of Max Weber's thesis, and a general understanding of the rise of the villages and mercantile class? Didn't aggregate capital make war on the leige lord/feudal/aristo system, emboldened (and covertly supporting) the protestant reformation against the fiefdomite Catholics? Wasn't feudalism the antithesis of aggregate capital and mercantile power?


Was it? :-) British finance was highly aristocratic, and based on state monopolies and warfare.

[1] Some people can't even find 'non-feudalist, classicial economic market behavior' in the history of the British stock market.

Just where are these depoliticized market behaviors, anyway? Or is it all a mystification scam? Did you choose your GMOs? Your oil? Your car technology? If Monsanto runs the GMO world from those quotes, and the Rockefellers ran the global oil business, and (Dupont/Rockefeller) ran General Motors, do we have anywhere examples of these market utopias?

All this "free market" ideology nonsense can be traced back to the largest state supported monopoly on the planet, the British East India Company:

Another great book, with a great title. Neo-Marxism goes conspiracy theory:

_The Invention of Capitalism: Classical Political Economy and the Secret History of Primitive Accumulation, by Michael Perelman (2000)

Book Description
The originators of classical political economy—Adam Smith [worked for the British East India Company], David Ricardo [multi-millionaire friend of James Stuart Mill, father worked for British East India Company, and his son J. S. Mill, was director of British East India Company "Intelligence" Department, responsible for strategy], James Steuart, and others—created a discourse that explained the logic, the origin, and, in many respects, the essential [ideology of] rightness of [a shorter way to say "don't touch our huge private monopoly and state subsidies!" otherwise known as...] capitalism. But, in the great texts of that discourse, these writers downplayed a crucial requirement for capitalism’s creation: For it to succeed, peasants would have to abandon their self-sufficient lifestyle and go to work for wages in a factory. Why would they willingly do this?

Clearly, they did not go willingly. As Michael Perelman shows, they were forced into the factories with the active support of the same economists who were making theoretical claims for capitalism as a self-correcting mechanism that thrived without needing government intervention. Directly contradicting the laissez-faire principles they claimed to espouse, these men advocated government policies [instead of 'markets'] that deprived the peasantry of the means for self-provision in order to coerce these small farmers into wage labor. To show how Adam Smith and the other classical economists appear to have deliberately obscured the nature of the control of labor and how policies attacking the economic independence of the rural peasantry were essentially conceived to foster primitive accumulation, Perelman examines diaries, letters, and the more practical writings of the classical economists.

He argues that these private and practical writings reveal the real intentions and goals of classical political economy—to separate a rural peasantry [by state action instead of economic action] from their access to land.

This rereading of the history of classical political economy sheds important light on the rise of capitalism to its present state of world dominance. Historians of political economy and Marxist thought will find that this book broadens their understanding of how 'capitalism' took hold....

From the Publisher
“This study is to be admired for its comprehensiveness, scope, and the amount of unearthing and excavation Perelman provides. The indictment of political economists who addressed themselves to the matter of primitive accumulation is masterful.”—H. T. Wilson, York University

“After reading Michael Perelman's excellent book we see our world in different colors. The origin of market capitalism is the product of strategies [politically] pursued to take away from people the conditions for developing alternative ways to live and produce. We also discover that classical political economy has been so instrumental in guiding these strategies. The book leaves us to wonder how the same mechanisms are reproduced today. This critical question pervades the book.”—Massimo De Angelis, University of East London


[2] On the one hand first the concept of feudalism, that required doppleganger, is equally so opaque, that historians like Reynolds in her wonderful _Kingdoms, Communities in Western Europe, 900-1300 or her _Fiefs and Vassals do a pretty good job of asking "well, where is it?"--showing it as a concept of exclusive dominance economically is without much stable underpinning.

[3] If you want huge static blocks of time you can also blame Marx/Engels, who supported the British empire over India as "progressive", (Engels was a Manchester textiles baron, tied into partnerships with European royalty; Marx wrote some of his 'best work' on the aristocratic estate of his father-in-law, head of Prussian Secret Police, i.e,. Marx was what Lenin would come to call a "useful idiot" whom Engels paid a pittance to turn out tracts, much of which Marx cribbed from Victor Considerant in the 1840s as well as Engels himself], though they were writing social movements agitprop and not really histories.

[4] Other neoMarxists, like Perry Anderson attempting to find the origins of divisions of 'fedualism' and 'capitalism' have a hard time as well. Frankly, I think that both concepts are just useless baggage from a European social movement construct and not appropriate historical concepts, and should only be taken as strategic ideologies employed by different groups, instead of found in the real world. Sure there are classes, though whether classes act as the grand historiographic actors is really hard to find anywhere. Getting back to my (perhaps already overheated theme), forms of elite-to-base clientelism in different styles are what is more evident. This is not to say that there isn't a form of "class conflict", only that it is typically diffused by forms of consumptive sponsorship and captive consumerism of different styles.

[4] Weber? He was the richest guy in Heidelberg...what else is he going to say? Fess up that he's just "another merchant with fudalist tendancies?" Gotta remember he's writing before WWI all these great things, a time in Europe of great optimism of all sort of things. Poor Weber though, went mad because his ideas didn't quite fit. Later in life, he turned quite structural marxist.

[5] And see below on the British East India Company hawking "as one of their prime products worldwide" much of "modern" history, while few comment that a large international corporation protecting its monopoly against calls for its dissolution was the actual rationale for spinning all this 'free market' nonsense. BEIC people through and through, constructed such ideas--not for the "good of all time"--though just because their monopoly was under fire and because they basically owned the English government. The discourse of 'free markets' has been the 'false flag terrorism' that monopolists and dictators wrap themselves in ever since. Free markets only create monopolies, and monopolies only create the discourse about 'free markets' :-) Additionally, it's a huge scam: they got to label whole geopolitical areas of the world "feudalist" and then voila, destroy it and call it "modern" when you own it all in sort of the same hierarchical fashion. Quite a neat semantic shell game.


Three other points below:


I. Sufis!


II. NWO version of Muslim religion, comment!

III. We Interrupt This Programe To Bring You A Special Bulletin: More French Revolution, Napoleon an Illegitimate Stuart?!



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I. Sufi issues, blood or election, or both?

As far as Sabbatai Tzevi goes, there is no Sufi on this earth that we inhabit that I have ever heard of who could even remotely be said to be a follower of his.

Who said he was? That particular movement which became the Sabbateans did draw on much from many different groups of the period. Moses Maimonodes, Sabbatean, according to all the information from Antelmen (title cited below), and some quote I have on file about “Sufi’s as the gift of Israel.” Touche, since he was Sabbatean.

And as for Sufi 'lineage' issues, which seems to be our debate, what about tarika though?

The Arabic word Ṭarīqah means "way", "path" or method and, in the Sufi tradition of Islam is conceptually related to Ḥaqīqah, or Truth, the ineffable ideal that is the pursuit of the tradition. Thus one starts at the Sharī`ah, the exoteric or mundane practice of Islam and adopts a tarika towards the Ḥaqīqah.

Sounds like graduated induction to me, particularly when it is linked to these kind of organizations:

...

A ṭarīqah is a Sufi (i.e. mystical), sometimes semi-secret, order of Muslims (followers of Islam). A ṭarīqah has a Murshid, or Guide, who plays the role of leader or spiritual director of the organization. ̣

These are 'lineaged' very clearly to themselves, for example:

Nearly every ṭarīqah is named after its founder, and when the order is referred to as a noun -yah is usually added to a part of the founder's name. For example the "Qādirī order," named after Shaykh `Abd al-Qādir al-Jīlānī, is also called the "Qādiriyyah".

Often ṭarīqahs are offshoots of other ṭarīqahs. The Khalwatī order are a particularly splintered order with numerous offshoots such as the Jerrahī, Sunbulī, Nasuhī, Karabashiyyah and others, the Tijaniyyah order prevalent in West Africa also has its roots in this Tariqa.

In most cases, the Shaykh nominates his 'Khalīfah' or successor during his lifetime, who will take over the order.

Thus, Ṭarīqahs have a Silsilah meaning chain or, more idiomatically, a lineage of various Shaykhs that eventually leads back to Muhammad. Almost all order except the Naqshbandi order has a Silsilah that leads back to Muhammad through `Alī.

Ali was cousin of Muhammad; after marriage to Fatima Zahra, he also became Muhammad's son-in-law. Little bit inbred there as well, kissing Muhammadan cousins! Yikes!]

More on that outlier of Naqshbandi which is the same ideology of 'blood transmission' though from another:

Naqshbandiyya is one of four major Sufi orders (tariqa) of Islam. It claims to have begun with Abu Bakr a constant companion of Prophet Muhammad and father-in-law, [families] whereas most other turuq (Chishtia, Suhrawardiyya and Qadiriyyah) trace their lineage from the Prophet Muhammad through Ali (ibn Abu Talib).

So an interesting graduated induction tradition along side the more exoteric Islam, from the original families, passed on in the 'chain'?

Sufism is a mystic tradition of Islam based on the pursuit of spiritual truth as it is gradually revealed to the heart and mind of the Sufi (one who practices Sufism).It might also be referred to as Islamic mysticism. While other branches of Islam generally focus on exoteric aspects of religion, Sufism is mainly focused on the direct perception of Truth or God through mystic practices based on divine love. Sufism embodies a number of cultures, philosophies, central teachings and bodies of esoteric knowledge...

And esoteric bloodline claims of the Sufis (in their own view) seem to trump the ulema:

The ulema or ulama are Muslim scholars of Islamic Sciences engaged in the several fields of Islamic studies; while not all ulema specialize in fiqh, the science of law, they are best known as the arbiters of Islamic law, or shari'ah. The ulema (ulama) have different roles in different Islamic traditions. They are most powerful in Shi'ah tradition of Islam where their role is institutionalized, but where [in Shi'ah] they are subordinate to the [Sufic] heirs of Ali.

They are saying then that when push comes to shove, Sufis don't have to follow ulema, arbiters of Islamic law, shari'ah!

The differences between Sunni and Shi`ite Islam were not as acute in the first three centuries of Islam as they are today. That is how that the 'Sunni side of the street' could found the Sufis, though it 'ended up' on the Shi'ite side when it became a sort of a 'rearguard' action in a sense to maintain closer 'blood' personal transmission as more important.

The ṭarīqahs were particularly influential in the spread of Islam in the Sub-Sahara during the 9th to 14th centuries, where they spread south along trade routes between North Africa and the Sub-Saharan kingdoms of Ghana and Mali.

Enter the Templars/Portugese into their world:

On the West African coast they set up Zāwiyas on the shores of the river Niger and even established independent kingdoms such as the Murābiṭūn, or Almoravids.

You had already mentioned the 'Sufi state' in Morocco (Almoravids)--you just leave out that they were all over Portugal as well as Morocco, in that dynasty you mentioned.And in Portugal is where esoteric Templars still existed with their more 'ecumenical' and mystic (nonpapal) views they had their previous failed attempts at religious mergings.

Portuguese were moving down the African/Moroccan coast. Perhaps they found friends in these Sufic Almorvides:

"Almoravides is a Berber dynasty from the Sahara which, in the 11th century, founded the fourth dynasty in Morocco. Under this dynasty the Moorish empire was extended over Tlemcen (in modern Algeria) and a great part of Spain and Portugal. The name is derived from the Arabic Murabit, variously translated as religious ascetic or warrior monk.

Now, does that sound familiar to the Templars or what? Do you think that Christian ecumenical mystic anti-papal esoteric Templars/'Knights of Christ' of Portugal would have a fun time with esoteric mystic Islamic founders of another state in Morocco, equally traders historically, and even mutually setting in each others areas? I sure do.

Mystic Sufis ironically expanded Islam more than "Sunni and Shi'a" all across Dar al Islam.

Much of Central Asia and Southern Russia was won over to Islam through the missionary work of the ṭarīqahs, and the majority of Indonesia's population, where a Muslim army never set foot, was converted to Islam by the perseverance of both Muslim traders and Sufi missionaries.

A case is sometimes made that groups as the Muslim Brotherhoods (in many countries) and specifically the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt (the first, or first known), are modern inheritors of the tradition of lay ṭarīqah in Islam--which gets merged with esoteric European masonry from the Templars once more through their founder:

The Muslim Brotherhood or The Muslim Brothers or "The Society of the Muslim Brothers", often "the Brotherhood", is the name of several Islamist organizations in the Middle East. The first Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt in 1928; Muslim Brotherhoods have since been founded in other countries, including Syria and Jordan. Hassan al-Banna founded the Muslim Brotherhood in March 1928 along with six workers of the [British] Suez Canal Company. The newly founded group was modeled after the freemasons secret society. When Hassan al-Banna was twelve years old, he became involved in a Sufi order, and became a fully initiated member in 1922. (Mitchell 1969, 2; Lia 25-26) When he was thirteen, Banna participated in demonstrations during the revolution of 1919 against British rule. The Muslim Brotherhood's founder Hasan al-Bana did have a traditional Islamic education (his family were Hanbali scholars, which is very small and exclusive and conservative.

What is Hanbali?

Hanbali is one of the four schools (Maddhabs) of Fiqh or religious law within Sunni Islam.

It is also a school of aqeedah (creed) in Sunni Islam, also referred to as the Athari (or Textualist) school. [go by the book alone]

It is considered to be the most conservative of the four. The school was started by the students of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (d. 855). Hanbali jurisprudence is predominant among Muslims in the Arabian Peninsula, although students of Islam throughout the world study and may choose to observe its conclusions about Islamic practise. The Hanbali school is followed by less than 5% of the world's Muslim population. It is presently the school of jurisprudence used in modern day Saudi Arabia.

However, the Muslim Brotherhood seemed to get Illuminized in its intent as well as extent?

By 1936, it had 800 members, then this number increased greatly to up to 200 000 by 1938. Who helped fund that two year jump, in the run up to the Nazi World War?

By 1948, the Brotherhood had about half a million members.

The Muslim Brotherhood also tried to be build up something like an Islamist International, thus founding groups in Lebanon (in 1936), Syria (1937), and Transjordan (1946).... When it did take power in Egypt it refused to disband martial law for instance.

I don't want to get into crazy Egyptian history here, though there's a lot more going on--with why it was started and who started using the Muslim Brotherhood for other purposes later.

Sunni and Shi'i issues still seem to indicate that Shi'i (more associated with Sufi) are far more interested in bloodline transmission conservatism and close bloodline issues. For instance, in the Ahl al-Bayt concept, a phrase meaning People of the House, or family refers to the household of the Prophet Muhammad. The Shi'a believe that Ahlul Bayt refers to five members of the Prophet's household [alone], whereas Sunnis believe that Ahlul Bayt refers to all pious Muslims.

And another interesting bloodline issue--keeping in mind the bloodline/occult network phenomena instead of simply an interest in the bloodline: if there is a Muslim/Mohammad esoteric family tradition, this would be from this pretty interesting context?:

Abu Bakr was born in Mecca (Makkah), a Quraishi of the Banu Taim clan. Quraish is the Meccan tribe that Muhammad belonged to. Ironically, it was his own tribe that was his chief opponent for most of his life. Quraysh was composed of twelve clans, one of which was the Banu Taim from which Mohammad came. Let's look at that one:

The Banī Tamīm or Banu Tamim are a famous tribe of Arabia; they are relatives of the Quraish tribe. Regarding the tribe's size and strength it is said, "Had it not been for the coming of Islam, the Tamīm tribe would have consumed the Arabs."

The tribe's progenitor, Tamīm ibn Murr is said to have lived in the 1st century CE and is reported to have met one of Jesus Christ's disciples.

This could be eschatology invented later, as of course Islam is respectful of 'all people of the book' and places itself firmly in the Jewish to Christian tradition as an 'update'. That strategy really made the Pope mad 'across the water' in Italy.

Through their ancestor Tamīm, the tribe [claims to] traces its lineage to Adnan and the prophets Ishamel and Abraham. So, don't argue with me, I'm just saying that this is what they claim about themselves. Whether true or merely ideology is beyond the point, as I think you pointed out. If they believe it, it's real. That's what we're talking about.

Tamīm tribe was closely affiliated with the Quraish tribe and they joined the boat and converted to Islam in the eighth year after the Hijra, so some claim.

In an Islamic hadith, Muhammad remarked that this Tamīm tribe would be the most vigorous of his community in fighting the Dajjal (the Antichrist), an evil figure in Islamic eschatology (presumably from beliefs in pagan desert ghost hauntings as well).

[And remember someone's very interesting discussions of stone worship astronomy at the Qabba in early 'official Islam,' several threads back, worth looking for...unable to find it right now for a link...]

When Abu Bakr became Caliph he sent Khalid bin Walid against some clans of the Bani Tamim in the Ridda Wars (Apostasy Wars). In other words the Tamim didn't like being sidelined.

Dynasties that involved in Tamim show their 'will to power' and support were, regardless:

- The Aghlabid dynasty (800-909 C.E.)

- The Al Thani family (1960-present C.E.) [who are: ta da! Emirs of Qatar, founded by the British oil deals and sponsorship really.]

Tamim emirs of Qatar are members of the Al-Thani dynasty and the state of Qatar. Qatar was founded in 1868 by Muhammad bin Thani as a kingdom. The house of Al-Thani is of Tammin descent and a typical Arabic polygamous house.

Previously, they dominated North Africa:

The Aghlabid dynasty of emirs, members of the Arab tribe of Bani Tamim, ruled Ifriqiya (northern Africa/Egypt), nominally on behalf of the Abbasid Caliph, for about a century, until overthrown by the new power of the Fatimids. Egypt keeps coming back up in all this.

The name Fatimid is derived from the name of the daughter of the Prophet Muhammad, Fatima az-Zahra. The dynasty and its followers belonged to the Shiite branch of Islam and to a sect called Isma'ili. The dynasty was founded in 909 by Ubayd Allah al-Mahdi Billah. He legitimized his claim by his descent from the Prophet by way of the Prophet's daughter Fatima Zahra and her husband Ali ibn Abi Talib, the first Shiite Imam.

And we all know about the Isma'ili right? they were sort of ecumenical 'religious merging' regime as well. Under the Fatamids, members of other branches of Islam, like the Sunnis, were just as likely to be appointed to government posts as Shiites. Tolerance was extended even to non-Muslims, like Christians and Jews who occupied high levels in government based solely on ability.

After about 1070, the Fatimid hold on the Levant coast and parts of Syria was challenged by first Turkish invasions, then the [Christian esoteric/Templar] Crusades, so that Fatimid territory shrunk until it consisted only of Egypt. So ostensibly Mohammad's tribe over the Holy Land and Egypt, ousted by another 'tribe' of bloodlines that just happened to have some esoteric idea that they were Essenic Jews or the original Christians, seeking their own 'home' once more and a merging of all religions there, meaning a slow adaptation and chaning of the meaning of Roman Catholic Christianity, which the Templars instituionalized throughout Europe, particularly in Spain the most admixed area that was Muslim as well.

Just a few issues where I would agree with this from your post:

The “bloodline” meme is nothing but one corrupted crock of stinking shit. Though in this case the bullshitters have come to believe in their own bullshit. Certainly that doesn’t mean that we should. Quite the contrary....back to the bloodlines thing and the proof that it is all imaginary. Not that these elite a-holes don’t believe in it themselves.

Yes, a myth. Though that is what I'm talking about as connecting them. From the point of view of their social internal reality, its real, which is what I am attempting to exclusively analyze. You think that physical proof one way or another is going to stop them? :-)

As you noted in the physical proof methods of seeking it, in the end analysis, for an ideology of inbreds to discover a null hypothesis--proof of its lack of existence--cannot have pleased them, which is really what that showed. Such a null hypothesis cannot be accepted. They'll just keep grumbling 'it's there somewhere, those particular methods simply didn't find what we were looking for'. A lot of such 'science' is animated to find such ideological precepts.

(Surely, we remember all those experimentations about blood 'leadership' that Nazi-linked Americans were attempting to find in Amazonian tribes, even to the point of I think killing some to set up an experimental 'fast evolutionary' breeding of it? Which American researcher did that Naziesque 'leadership of the blood' research in the Amazon, where he was actually refusing to treat them with medicine , watching, and monitoring them to death (literally)?)


II. SCHUON

Thanks for this, unaware of Frithjof Schuon:

On the other hand, there is in fact a Sufi tariqa which may well have the kind of “one worlder” elite connections to which you alluded. That is the eponymously titled “Maryamiyya” tariqa founded by a Swiss citizen named Frithjof Schuon. The Maryamiyya claim to be followers of Mary, the mother of Jesus (Maryam in Arabic).

...

Prince Charles of England is, in addition to being a member of the Lucis Trust, an avowed admirer of Schuon. Diana’s ex is also a patron, and serves on the board of directors, of a scholarly journal published by Schuon’s order. Charles is also associated with Schuon’s more broadly based school of religious thought, known as Traditionalism. There’s your Diana link, as promised. Free of charge.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, part one



LOL

quotes to comments:

Traditionalism and its Traditionalist adherents like Nasr, the shah’s chief scholar of Islamic studies and a proponent of the spurious Traditionalist sect of Marayamiyya, must be considered as a candidate for being the elite-imposed ‘one world religion’ not just because of the CIA and British “royal” family connections, but because it tends to conflate Islam, Christianity, Hinduism and even Native American religion (as they erroneously portray it) into one somewhat fetid soup.

Fascinating. British did the same with another version of revolutionary ecumenical Muslim'ism' in India back in the mid 1800s. I forget the name right now... Starts with an 'Ay' something?

And if you really want to see some strange 'one worlder' politics, poke around in the ominous history of the Ba'hai faith.. Like the Israeli Supreme Court which some groups were thinking to make the "Supreme Court of the World" in Israel back in the 1960s (mentioned above), the NWO religion was going to be Bahai, another graded induction elite driven religion, and it as well was based in Israel and still is: "Seat of the Universal House of Justice in Haifa, Israel, governing body of the Bahá'ís":

According to Bahá'í teachings, religious history is seen as an evolving educational process for mankind, through God's messengers, which are termed Manifestations of God. Bahá'u'lláh is seen as the most recent, pivotal, but not final of these individuals. He claimed to be the expected redeemer and teacher prophesied in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and other religions,...

[..claimed to deliver your pizza within 30 minutes guaranteed worldwide, install universal one world voltage in your house, and fix everyone's kitchen sink to flow in the metric system only to prepare for the Second Coming.]

Bahais sort of get theocratic, because they have a doctrine that actually encourages identification with the U.N. as well. One world religion. One wourld court system. One world represntative framework. Mostly Israeli sited. We just report it folks, we don't write it.

Let's not forget the Buddhist superstar:

Not to be forgotten is the Dalai Lama, another CIA patsy whose personal “oracle” was on the Skull and Bones boys’ payroll in 1959 when he had a fitful “vision” that directed the Dalai Lama to flee Tibet for India and Western control. JFK Jr. personally authored an article about this in George magazine back in the 1990’s.

Surely you have read Parenti's scathingly wonderful Dalai Lama article? That old rich patrimonial ogre. :-)

"The Dalai Lama himself stated that "the pervasive influence of Buddhism" in Tibet, "amid the wide open spaces of an unspoiled environment resulted in a society dedicated to peace and harmony. We enjoyed freedom and contentment."4 A reading of Tibet's history suggests a different picture. In the thirteenth century, Emperor Kublai Khan created the first Grand Lama, who was to preside over all the other lamas as might a pope over his bishops. Several centuries later, the Emperor of China sent an army into Tibet to support the Grand Lama, an ambitious 25-year-old man, who then gave himself the title of Dalai (Ocean) Lama, ruler of all Tibet. Here is quite a historical irony: the first Dalai Lama was installed by a Chinese army.

To elevate his authority beyond worldly challenge, the first Dalai Lama seized monasteries that did not belong to his sect, and is believed to have destroyed Buddhist writings that conflicted with his claim to divinity. The Dalai Lama who succeeded him pursued a sybaritic life, enjoying many mistresses, partying with friends, and acting in other ways deemed unfitting for an incarnate deity. For this he was done in by his priests. Within 170 years, despite their recognized status as gods, five Dalai Lamas were murdered by their high priests or other courtiers.5"


It's the Renaissance Popes of the Himalayas! It's the CIA versus the USSR in seating and unseating (murdering) their different versions of NWO aligned popes in the 1970s! And it happened in Tibet as well.

And continuing your quote after that:

More recently, the Dalai Lama presided over an invitation-only meeting for several days in San Francisco with “muslim leaders” of the U.S., many of them card-carrying Traditionalists, who sought Dalai’s help as a public relations shill to the media. How sad is that.



III. George Washington Blustering His Way Through Illuminati Discussion; and Napoleon Revisited: an Illegitimate Stuart? Plumbing the "Three French Revolutions"

If anyone wants to see what much of that Scottish Stuart vs. Prussian Hanoverians connection looked like, from someone living through it, and how intense it was, read:

John Robison. Proofs of a Conspiracy Against All the Religions and Governments of Europe Carried on in the Secret Meetings of Freemasons, Illuminati and Reading Societies (1798)

Robison relates how, in Edinburgh long after the "official dissolution" of the Illuminati, he was approached to join the Illuminati. What? you mean Illuminati lied! They promised they gave it up after being slapped on the wrist (some even awarded government pensions!) and moving to different countries! I can't believe they lied!

Who was Robison to spoil a useful cover story? They attempted to get him into it, though he rejected it. He was highly placed, just like they wanted. He was "Professor of natural philosophy and Secretary to the Royal Society of Edinburgh."

Thus, Robison was well placed already in a crypto-masonic context of these Royal Societies of scientific knowledge and 'Reason'.

Illuminati were/are known to have utilized masonic clubs themselves as recruitment grounds within recruitment grounds so to speak, among a group of men already well versed in keeping secrets and rather oppositional politically to the hierarchical political times in which they lived.

And every mason was a brother of another regardless of 'current outside the lodge' class and caste boundaries. Thus, by putting a 'secret society within a society with secrets,' if the Illuminati was successfully recruiting already existing Masons within their organizations, Illuminists within such masonic networks could steer quietly other secret societies of their 'brothers' and have a huge contact base under order or with access to them without their knowing it. Similarly, the American Scottish Rite did the same with Albert Pike's Palladian rite invention, an Illuminized rite within the highest 33 degree--secret to all and only revealed by word of mouth on the side. Crafy, eh? When exposed if ever, both tactics delegitimate someone else's organization.

Robison, after reading some Illuminati documents given to him to allow him to make his mind up if he would join, he did more than refuse to join. He squealed and certainly it seems he copied much of the documentation he saw.

He wrote a book about them as still existing after their dissolution.

Weishaupt himself proclaimed in a letter to Zwack (I think to him), that, paraphrasing, 'I have thought of all contingencies, if we are ever attacked and forced to disband, I have arranged to have us reborn within a year many times as strong.' So when that actually came to pass, big deal in other words. They were prepared.

So 1798, Robison's book comes out saying the Illuminati still exist after their 'disbanding.'

Same year, this book is passed to George Washington, who said (I think many have seen this famous excerpt of his response), "

"IT IS NOT MY INTENTION TO DOUBT THAT THE DOCTRINE OF THE ILLUMINATI...HAD NOT SPREAD IN THE UNITED STATES [after its official demise]. ON THE CONTRARY, NO ONE IS MORE SATISFIED OF THIS FACT THAN I AM."
--- President George Washington; Sept. 25, 1798 (From the Writings Of George Washington, published by the U.S. Government Printing Office, 1941. Vol.20; page 518.)

This popular excerpt of the letter ignores something pretty telling, which I think is annoying to George Washington's 'good' reputation.

Reading the whole letter, he actually indicates that Washington's famous letter concerning the Illuminati was was composed in the presence of "William Russell, Esq." who made a little P.S. at the bottom of Washington's letter, to the same person who sent Washington the Illuminati exposure book.

Thus, Washington was invalided (his excuse for not getting to this issue sooner), though accepting visitors from the later co-founder clan of Skull and Bones (that would not happen until 1832; the letter is 1798.

Who exactly William Russel, Esq, is is not known to me, though it was a William (Huntingdon) Russell that founded with Alfonso Taft the Bones secret society organization at Yale.

Hyperrich George Washington (who smoothly married into the Parke-Custis wealth of the widow Martha) with hyperrich William Russell?

Their group letter shows that Washington and some other high falutin William Russell had been at Mount Vernon during the very moments Washington was composing the famous "Illuminati" letter of 1798.

By the 1820s onward, the Russels were even more wealthy: one of two Skull and Bones founder families, involved as the founding family of Russell and Company, opium runner.

S&B is of course likely "U.S. Illuminati" branch--with definite cell sponsorship connections from the Russells via German connections.

Washington says at the close of the letter, after complaining that he was so invalided he didn't have time to read the Illuminati book, though thanks anyway.

In Russell's handwriting at the bottom of the letter, separate by a pen line from Washington's note to obviously meant to be read by the same person Washington was composing the letter to, at that very moment. Washington writing with a Russell over his shoulder? Or asking how to phrase it? This is what Russell said at the base of the letter concerning the Illuminati book Washington, as well as it seems himself, was sent:

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"William Russell, Esq., Sept 25, 1798

Sir, your favor of the 8th xxxx is received and I thank you for your obliging attention to the articles promised me when I had the pleasure of seeing you at this place."

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So Washington and Russell reading--or ignoring--material concerning Illuminati exposure books and articles passed to them both?

George Washington positively goes out of his way to attempt to ignore the issue, then closes by placating the person who sent him the book as a gift.

Washington has a strange form of argument on this topic, that looks like three different versions of "er, just leave me alone with this Illuminati thing, ok?".

Washington's strange forms of argument is [1] that on the one hand he's satisfied that they are there infiltrating--no! [2] wait, scratch that-- that would implicate him in masonry which he had been publicly denying for years--so, then he says that he has no connection or basis of really knowing what he just said, 'since he has been divorced from masonry so long for "30 years"' so he really wouldn't know much about this--er, [3] no! wait, that leaves it open, one more change and then off you go: then he says 'from his experience' not my masonic experience, just don't worry about it, ok? Um, they aren't really here at all!

Even stranger is closing by a cosigner who might have been the rich "William Russell, Esq." father of the son founder of Skull and Bones?

The cosigner is "William Russell, Esq.", at Mount Vernon. He dates his little note on the same date, below Washington, addressed to the same
gift giver.

Thus, the famous "Washington comment on the Illuminati" letter is really a group cosigned Washington/Russell comment on the Illuminati, together, at Mount Vernon, and probably talking about crafting a response as a group they were signing off on.

George Washington had either, potential #1, wanted to simultaneously and openly reveal what he said about the Illuminati it to Russell peeking over his shoulder to let Russell known how he responded. This additionally allows Russell to get out of writing a separate letter to the giftgiver who gave him similar materials. Or did Russell get called there to help address how Washington should handle this? Was the double signed Washington/Russell letter just a bit of balderdash dissimulation about disliking the Illuminati, though don't worry about it, which Washington made sure to have 'cc:''ed by the Russell visiting and composing the letter with him?

On second glance, this Russell cosigning context throws the whole letter as something suspect. Instead of some effusive thanks about getting the 'damn Illuminati' exposure materials, it is mostly a letter of three different hypocritical stances, each building on the difficulties in the statement of the previous one.

First Washington admits his delay in responding, and has an excuse of being invalided for a while, though he's better now obviusly accepting visitors of William Russell, and they had to be 'talking Illuminati' so they co-write the letter

Russell seems to have received similar Illuminati exposure information from the same author, and a group Washington/Russell letter was composed by them both, in Washington's handwriting.

Strangely after claiming no affiliation for 30 years, Washington attempts to assure the reader that despite the 'dangerous ideas' of the Illuminati, he knows that none of the masonic lodges of the United States were affiliated or infected as it were. It's a huge contradictory statement: "no knowledge for 30 years" and "absolute confidence none are infected". Go away. Cosigned, thanks for similar Illuminati materials,"be seeing you!".,etc, Signed,William Russell.

The next year, 1799, Washington is dead.

I don't know if anyone has ever looked at foul play, though its for certain other Presidential or Founding Father leadership's anniversary dates of their deaths are suspect--particularly the simultaneous deaths of Jefferson and Adams are strange to say the least:

'Natural causes' killed both Adams and Jefferson on July 4, 1826, within hours of each other.

Yes, Jefferson died on the Fourth of July, 1826, the perfect 50th anniversary of the adoption of the Declaration of Independence which he wrote. The same day John Adams' dies.

Adams was seemingly most opposed to such occult control. Jefferson dabbled in everything, though he seemed to be only a dabbler, even though he called Weishaupt once defensively in a letter "just an enthusiastic philanthropist!" Jeffersonianism of 'small farmer democracy equality' utopia was basically Rousseau, transmogrified to the U.S. by a very francophilic U.S. President. (I'm probabaly more francophilic than Jefferson, though that's another issue. I just wanted to say that that is not a 'neocon' slight of the French. After all, The French won the U.S. Colonial Revolution--Washington couldn't fight or command to save his life.)

Anyway, Jefferson and Adams were both not radical 'completely secular' revolutionaries. Jefferson liked the Bible so much, he rewrote it, which shows a lot about Jefferson. ;-)

He stripped the metaphysics and turned it into a shorter moral tract of Jesus sayings, known as the Jefferson Bible. (The U.S. Government actually officially published this tract of the Jefferson Bible in the early 20th century--so much for the separation of church and state for some people...)

Thus, with Adams a devout Unitarian, and Jefferson writing his own Bible, both of these revolutionaries were decidedly "Christian" (in their own view). That just "wouldn't do" to someone perhaps.

Just another coincidence. Or two. Or three.

President Adams second cousin was Samuel Adams, basically owned the workforce of Boston, and was instrumental in setting up the "spontaneous" Boston Tea Party, organized out of a Masonic lodge while they were 'in adjournment'--which is known because some brother masons didn't want to be involved in destroying BEIC property.

The Boston Tea Party was directed at more than general British issues--it was directed at a BEIC ship. Squeamish masons signed their names back in the lodge book during the adjournment, with a tattle tale explanation what was going on right then to show they were not being criminal...

Addendum on Napoleon:
Napoleon was a Stuart?


And a little addendum on Napoleon. Besides the Merovingian (de Tascher) links himself through Josephine [mentioned and argued by by Michael Bradley], Bradley leaves out that Napoleon himself comes from Corsican royalty.

His grandmother was the Queen of Corsica, Marie de Neuhoff who married (interesting name...) Giuseppe de Ruhano-Stuardo

Stuardo as in "Stuart" as in Merovingian?

Yes.

Napoleon was a Stuart. An illegitimate one, though a Stuart despite that.

Going further back, his great-great Grandfather was Prince of B[a][o]varia, Giocomo Enrico Rohano-Stuardo....and his great great great-grandfather was Charles II Stuart, King of Great Britain (b. 1630- d. 1685).

This depends on accepting the reality of an illegitimate line of the covername "James de la Cloche", a bastard son of Charles II. It's discussed here that it mentions that "de Rohan" was one of the names he went by officially. However, as the Wikipedia Maoists will do, it's sanitized and neglects to mention the interesting point of following up the bloodline to the later 1700s, when it turns into Napoleon...

So Napoleon would be from this illegitimate Stuart line that ends up in Corsica, close to the documented whereabouts of "James de La Cloche" who traveled under 'de Rohan" who was connected to Naples, very close to Corsica where Napoleon is born from ancestors "Rohano-Stuardo":

Based on the documents, Charles II would have had an illegitimate son with lady Marguerite de Carteret when he had been in Jersey in 1646. The official father was Marguerite's husband, Jean de la Cloche. The son would have received Protestant education in France and the Netherlands and used the name James de la Cloche du Bourg. Charles II would have recognized him in secret in 1665 and granted him an annuity of £500 as long as he would stay in London and as an Anglican.

Apparently de la Cloche spoke mainly French.

Jacobus de la Cloche entered a Jesuit seminary in Rome April 2, 1668.

He was wearing common clothes and claimed that he was 24 years old.

De la Cloche had converted to Catholicism in Hamburg in 1667.

He had received a written proof of his ancestry from the queen Christina of Sweden [Hi Sweden! What would the Swedes know about the Stuarts, eh? interesting] and now wanted to join the seminary.

He was [royally sponsored] accepted and entered St. Andrea al Quirinale as a novice in April 11.

Apparently king Charles was not angry that de la Cloche had switched faiths. In 1668 Oliva, the general of the Jesuits, received a letter in which the king Charles II told him that he planned to convert to Catholicism [which would cause an uproar in England, where he was Restored King only a few years.] He could not contact any of the local catholic priests without arousing suspicions but [once more accepting him as legitimate, Charles II says] his son, one de la Cloche, would be a perfect choice [to force the Jesuits to 'expedite' Charles II's illegitimate son to a Cardinal!]. Charles II says he would help to arrange a cardinal's position in England for his illegitimate son, if he would not be suitable for the throne because of illegitimacy.

In August the next letter invited de la cloche to come home, without speaking to queen Christina, who was coming to Rome.

The king Charles II, his father, pulls his bastard son into spycraft as well: he had arranged him to travel under the name Henri de Rohan. By October de la Cloche [alias de Rohan] was on his way.

Next royal letter from November 18, 1668 says that Charles II had sent his son back to Rome to act as his unofficial ambassador to the Holy See and he would later return to London when he had received answers to questions king was willing to deliver only orally.

He had asked Jesuit General Oliva to subsidize his bastard son, and give de la Cloche (travelling as 'de Rohan') 800 doppies for expenses. After that, there is no mention of de la Cloche.

However, one James Stuart or don Giacopo Stuardo, appeared in Naples in 1669. In February 19 he married one Teresa Corona and gave her father 200 doppies as a dowry. When his father-in-law, an innkeeper, begun to boast about his birth and spread around his money, it blew the cover, and Stuart was arrested in suspicion of forging money.

In defense, he claimed he was not a counterfeiter that his money and position was of a natural son of Charles II (although it is not clear when he had said that).

When the local viceroy heard the astounding claims, he wrote to England to verify them.

Meanwhile Stuart contacted English consul Browne so he could help him out of confinement in the castle of Gaeta.

It seems that Charles II started to distance himself from all this publicity: after the 'answer,' Stuart was removed from the relative comfort of castle of Gaeta to very lowly prison of Vicaria. His claim had not been verified nor he had any documents with him to prove them. Charles II remained silent once the cover was blown accidentally.

Stuart was sentenced to flogging but his in-laws managed to stop that.

Though in private he was considered Charles II's son, though in private only: Stuart was eventually released, left supposedly for England and returned with more money.

However, by August 31 he was dead. He does leave a child however.

In his confusing will he had asked Charles II to give his unborn child an "ordinary principality" or something equally appropriate. He also named Maria Henrietta Stuart as his mother. The matter was mentioned in contemporary newsletters and English consul's messages to England.

Stuart's Neopolitan widow gave birth to a son, Giacomo Stuardo.

The son married Lucia Minelli di Riccia in 1711 and later regained some of his father's [Charles II connected] inheritance.

Last record of him is from 1752.


However, it seems that then the "Rohan-Stuardo" child flees to Corsica later, off the coast of Naples.

Billington writes in Fire in the Minds of Men, that 'intellectual revolutionaries' in the 1700s intentionally went to islands to "socially experiment". Particularly Billington mentions and writes extensively on Corsica.

Billington could have said that the esoteric Templars had been utopianists and doing such things on islands like this ever since the 1290s when they started seeing the writing on the wall of their future dissolution in motions by the Pope to combine the Hospitaliers and the Templars in one organization that was firmly resisted. However, the Pope kept insisting on some sort of change in the Hospitaliers and the Templars after both completely lost the last site of Acre in the Holy land in 1291.

And its Corsica were here Napoleon happened to be born of "Rohan-Stuardo" parentage in his grandfather. Making Napoleon a distant, short, bastard great-great-great-great grandson of Charles II Stuart, King of England in the 1660s-1680s.

On Corsica, in the mid 1700s, Bradley mentions all sort of "on the surface unexplainable" strings being pulled in Napoleon's early life to get him "illegally," according to Bradley, into high French aristocratic military and liberal arts and language schools exclusively for the nobility who could show close French royal house blood.

Bradley didn't seem to know of the illegitimate line of Charles II into Napoleon. (This line would be even stronger a claim than the "Prince Michael of Albany" Stuart Belgian claims (off a sire of the later "Old Pretender" Charles Stuart, Bonnie Prince Charlie) which the European Council of Princes has actually signed off on as they as a group toss a 'royal bomb' into English Hanoverian dynasty politics for some rationale.)

Napoleon, we hardly knew ye...so much for 'modern revolutions.'

All that's 'modern' is the huge extent of secret society 'democratization' coming out of elite battles with each other.

Particularly crucial for this was the unexpected toppling of the Stuarts from England in 1688, which made a Merovingian royal house a renegade, who expanded their typical more closely held masonic credentials and secrets to themselves as a real secret society, in multiple failed attempts to back to England for the next 60 years solidly.

In the same period, Hanoverians were expanding and getting their own masonic networks and revolutionary expansions contra Stuart masonic revolutionary pressures to get back to England. It's been said that instead of the Hanoverians supporting masonry, it was masonry that supported the Hanoverians and would have been toppled without it.

Internationally because of the rogue English court of the Stuarts on the continent, the 1700s became really masonic in the process of this battle zone between both royal houses, both masonic alignments, and of French Bourbons (still sponsoring the Stuarts) and England (right next door) as an open sore. Many treaties were set up to legitimate the Hanoverians though, and eventually Stuarts were ousted from France. France attempted to put them off as the new elected polish king (believe it or not) though the Stuart king refused.

Since the Hanoverians were puppets of the Whigs as well as connected to the rich and powerful BEIC, and connected to Prussia TERRITORIES simultaneously to being 'English' kings, a geopolitcal war and a masonic war began to take shape. This became the French Revolution.

On one side, Hanover masonics (England/Prussia, useful Illuminists) surrounding France, and versus French masonics (soon with Sweden up north on the French side, and the battle raged into Spain as well (branch of the Bourbon French there).

Soon, peasants in the secret societies began to feel their strength and say "what are these aristocrats for anyway?" The elite guidance sort of got out of their control. A lot more radical ideas began to be aired by the late 1700s in this heady masonic atmosphere. One of those heady ideas was to resurrect Roman republicanism and screw ALL monarchies. Other's wanted neoEgyptian dynastic houses and to use the old Egyptian calendar. What concepts--overthrow almost 1500 years of bloodline rules with different sort of governmental relationship in a revolution, a masonic inspired revolution. Or go even further back and "Egyptianize" France.

Some aristocrats of course liked the idea for putting them on top somewhere else in the world or even in France itself. The history of any monarchy is the history of the battles between aristocratic perogatives attempting to finagle more room against royalist forms of clientelism and enforcement.

So with all these different tangled people and organizations, and with the Hanoverian vs. Stuart masonic war of wills occuring during the American Revolution and the French Revolutions, both Americans and the French 'idealist' masonics were either linked to the Stuart cause (as against Hanover/England), by common enemy. The 'realists' were the British Hanoverians, who hated the whole idea.

Out of this, France and the Bourbons were caught in the middle of a powderkeg of plots and masonic societies particularly up through the 1780s in Paris.

What made the situation particularly unstable was that the French Bourbon crown didn't have a masonic network. Marie Antoinette's letters mentions disparagingly how "Egyptian themed masonry" was all the rage among the women at court, all joining female lodges, and thinking they were reincarnations of Isis.

In France, the flow of clientelistic power was to Philip, Duc D'Orleans, who did have a masonic network under him, as Grand Master of all of Frence Masonry. His positional upset with being sidelined by the King would turn a slight, with the fulcrum of his masonic networks, into something a bit larger: a masonic coup. He wanted Constitutional Monarchy, with him as the monarch. Others had different interests and motivations though played along, seeing that that served them as well, if it worked.

The French Revolution seems to have had at least three levels

- crypto-masonic desires for more aristocratic prerogative: in a Constitutional Monarchy of France (Lafayette and other long lineage aristocrats view; that is why Duc D'Orleans, sick of being sidelined as well, conspired with this faction. Typical aristocratic to royal animosity. D'Orleans had backup as Grand Master of all of France's Grand Orient Masonry then.) What set it off though was 'rogue element' Charlotte Corday, that none could predict: she of an impoverished bloodline of old French aristocratic stock taking it upon herself "to save France" in her eyes, though leading to a huge political explosion. Seemingly telling no one and getting herself admitted into Marat's bath, she stabs a key revolutionary and kills him. Then everyone went bonkers, and the real revolution of different factions crying for blood against each other was begun, almost by accident. Poor Charlotte Corday, that wasn't what she intended:

- Illuminati steal the show, Terror, Jacobins, and Robespierre, hunting down and killing off the previous "Constitutional Monarchy" aristocratic revolutionary groups as best they could, allied with Illuminized English/German Hanoverian crown and BEIC funding; geopolitics enters French's revolution; Duc D'Orleans sort of confused here in my opinion, his ideas of Constitutional monarchy (under him) removed. Illuminati factionalizes, self-destructs. Robespierre himself beheaded. Power vacuum, and every monarchy in Europe is almost invading France to destroy both the monarchy as well as to destroy the revolutionary groups. Military actors come to the fore.

- Napoleon and his brother rising military usefulness; comes to marry Josephine, ends up being Emperor; Napoleon's brother marries Josephines sister. Double lock there. Plus, Napoleon seemed to know something about Merovingian descent of himself: Napoleon puts onthe golden MEROVINGIAN BEES on his coronation robe,--around 300 of them--that had been dug up from what was though to have been Clovis's rediscovered tomb (I think Clovis), discovered in the mid 1600s. (Almost all of these little bees were later lost in a robbery, dropped in the Seine, only a handful survive. Above link has picture of them.) Thus in the power vacuum, Merovingian de Tacher groups (Josephine and her sister) and Stuart Merovingians (bastared great distanced Napoleon from Charles II) attempts to have the royals via Stuarts set themselves up as more than just French king, though the founder of a whole "neo-Charlemagne" Empire over all Europe. Napoleon appoints the "new aristocracy" as well, which doesn't survive the Napoleonic Empire. Thus, Stuarts 'conservative masonry' of blood against both the English infiltration and against the secularist use of masonry. The toppled French lines and the toppled Stuart lines (from England) would be allies innately once more. Napoleon is gone, then the Bourbons are back. Bourbons 'legitimate' their own masonic groups this time, by recognizing the Larmenius Transmission (mentioned above).

Yet another good book to write, trashing the French Revolution official history. :-)

Speaking of the "official history," guess who started popularizing that French Revolution as a battle of mere ideas and emotions, or later, of only large abstract social forces alone, anonymously interacting?

According to Chaitkin, that historiographic tradition was started out by people associated with the BEIC, which is a conflict of interest since they were involved in sponsoring some of the Jacobin allied (Illuminized) French Revolutionaries financially. [Mentioned in the details known in Barruel, for one]. Thus the "official view of the French Revolution" is really the "BEIC view of the French Revolution, Inc.". It was set up by the 1830s, by their hired cribbers: John Stuart Mill and Thomas Carlyle. Mill hired (then) nonentity Thomas Carlyle to a 'have a go at it'. Mill burned the first draft to Carlyle's horror, and accepted the second attempt. Mill then hawked it to the hilt and reviewed Caryle's book avidly. People at first went 'this Caryle stuff is silly and useless', though with Mill's incessant 'mooing' about it enough, other people went 'moo' and followed along as accepting it as an excellent depersonalized romanticized history.

Mill is close to and part of British intelligence. This was through front/agitprop network of the Edinburgh Review. Mill's position in the BEIC was within the BEIC Committee of Correspondences or 'Intelligence department' where he read all the reports from the world over submitted to the owners, coordinated, and recommended policy for the BEIC Governors to rubberstamp. Mill was 'the brain' of the BEIC. As some claim, I would diagree: I don't think the first draft was "accidentally burned by John Stuart Mill's maid." That's a hyper neurotic maid--to throw a visitors' looseleaf book draft away after he was hired by your master to write it. Mill disliked what Carlyle wrote, and tossed it in the fire to his horror, and said "start over." Carlyle started over.

Yes, 'free traders' like Mill were corporate monopolists, like his father who worked for BEIC as well, writing 'Indian history' of how beneficial BEIC was there.

Adam Smith was another hired cribber for British monopolists.

Moreover, lots of interesting bloodlines in the BEIC Governors over the years--by the close of the U.S. Revolutionary War, dominated the whole British Whig goverment into the 1800s. When Cornwallis lost the colonial war in North America for the Britsh, his next job was to be commander for the BEIC in India.

(In the American revolution, besides the crucial french aid, there is the unsung part played by "British standdown", by fellow travelling supporters of American indepdence in Britain covertly in the miltiary--and at George III's court. This "British Standdown Theory" is discussed quite well with lots of evidence for it, in several of the books by Stephen Sora; for the court politics angle, and Lord Buce--a Scot--see _Rulers of Evil, by Saussey. A crazy if interesting book that leaves you wondering about a lot of unanswered things about esoteric Catholicism supporting the American Revolution; and Cardinal Ballarmine, who wanted a federalized democratic Catholic Church perhaps the first European democratic theorist.)


Conclusion

The French Revolution's "Act Two", the Illuminati wing's lightening bolt, was first tossed soon after the Congress of Wilhelmsbad. That lightening bolt was followed by rolling thunder that has echoed for centuries afterward to this day.

A nonconspiratorial read of the complexities and conflicting agencies of different actors in the French Revolution is the excellent _Paris in the Terror by Stanley Loomis, published in the 1960s. That would set the stage.

Then read _Talisman: Sacred Cities, Secret Faith by Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval (2004) for really bizarre things about the French Revolution Illuminized period. _Talisman exclusively is useful for that particular group, and it really doesn't get into the other issues mentioned above. Here's where France gets all its pyramids for one thing.

and then

_Memoirs illustrating the history of jacobinism by Barruel, published in the late 1790s:

Augustin Barruel's magnum opus first appeared in 1798. The original work, published in four volumes, comprised nearly 2000 pages. It has been translated into multiple languages and was an instant bestseller in English and French. The present reprint from Real-View-Books includes all four volumes of the original.

Barruel (1743-1820) was in the thick of the French Revolution as it came to pass--having to flee to England--and his account of the forces who directed those tumultuous events stems from first-hand experience. Assigning blame for the terror and anarchy, Barruel singled out the French Masonic Lodges, the philosophes, and the German Illuminati.

It is a unique study and invaluable for any serious investigator. If nothing else, the third and fourth sections are worth the price of the book: over 400 pages filled with lengthy extracts and exact quotations from the Illuminati conspirators themselves. Barruel consulted the Original Writings, published by the Bavarian Elector (c. 1786-88)--to warn the various governments of Europe about the impending revolution. After 200 hundred years this remains the most complete, and thorough account of the Illuminati in the English language. Unless you are well-versed in reading German and have access to a copy of the Original Writings--very expensive on the antiquarian market, very rare, and hard to find even in the world's greatest libraries--then you have but one choice: consult Barruel's Memoirs. It is as close to primary source material on the Illuminati as exists in the English language.


A lot of "Rigorous Intuition of the 1700s" is above in those recommended books. :-)

Another would be _The Secret History of the South Sea Bubble, which sort of indicates that John Law, another Scot, was a British Agent sent over to cause financial havoc in the early 1700s. as he attempted to consolidate and take over the French economy (covertly for England) via joint stock company privatization drives. John Law had personal connections to British Intelligence the book reveals.

Another interesting conspiratorial overview of Illuminism and Sabbateanism, coming from over 35 years of research/writing, is a Jewish Orthodox religious view. Very scholarly, this is the two volumes of _To Eliminate the Opiate by Rabbi M. S. Antelman.

12/14/2006 04:27:00 PM  
Blogger brisa said...

Whenever I hear the phrase "conspiracy theory" I think it an attempt by a propagandist to dismiss intelligent investigation. For instance, prior to the invasion of Iraq, the Australian PM Howard dismissed questions of whether Aussie troops were in position to participate (true) with the statement denying it, dississing such a suggestion as just another conspiracy theory.

The world has become a very dangerous place for people resisting the transition to a one world government. Political assassinations utilizing patsies (Oswald) have given way to false flag terrorism and technically engineered airplane crashes.

I have come to rely on the old Roman quote "Cui Bono" when trying to determine who is behind a high profile elimination. And when the corporate controlled news media points me in one direction, I automatically suspect that it is disinformation and look in another for truth.

12/14/2006 05:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Ibn Rushd a.k.a. Averroes said...

Dear Anonymous Megalo-maniacal poster,

I am going to be gentle with you, because you seem to be sincerely well-intentioned if over-weaningly arrogant, humorless, and working on “as if” knowledge without the benefit of any real world first hand experience. So I will not tell you that in a number of cases you are completely full of shit, even though manifestly you are. Your European and New World scholarship is pretty good, but as for Islam, you are a Piker, and you are, possibly unwittingly, passing off some serious disinformation as if it were a fact. But it isn’t.

Just a few examples:

1. You claim the Shi’ite / Sunni rivalry didn’t heat up until a few centuries after Muhammad.

Complete and utter nonsense to the nth degree.

Unless you don’t think that the assassination of Ali, one of the four so-called rightly guided Khalifah and a companion of the prophet, and the open warfare between the two factions that resulted, wasn’t “heated up” enough for you.

2. You claim that the majority of Sufis are Shia.

Complete and utter nonsense to the nth degree yet again.

Shia as an entire group only constitute at best 5-7 or 8 percent of all the 1.2 to 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. The rest are all Sunni, following the “sunna” or traditions of the prophet. A tiny majority of both groups can even nominatively be termed Sufis.

Do the math.

3. You claim, if I understand your convoluted paragraph, that somehow arch Qabbalist Moises Maimonides was the father of Sufism? Please don’t make me laugh. This is a zionist disinformation wet dream on steroids.

And by the way, in any standard system of Arabic transliteration it is the KA’BA, never the Qabba. Kaf and Qaf are two radically different letters, and there is no doubling of the consonent Ba, nor is there ever a diacritical mark that would indicate same. You are confusing yourself, or being confused, with the root for Hebrew qabbala and qabbalism. Another thing entirely to be sure.

4. And while we are circling the “stone-worship” meme:

It is the qabbalists and Sanhedrin of Judaism who use stones or crystals as magical oracles in a claim to know the will of God. The stone worship b.s. is just more disinformation from your Jewish source material, Antelman et al.

5. The Muslim Brotherhood:

You are half right. It is a masonic inspired organization. But it has nothing whatsoever to do with Sufism. It was fostered in Egypt in the 1920’s by British intelligence to counter and manipulate Egyptian politics over the past century. The “muslim brotherhood” is much closer to ultra right wing Wahabbism, as the sectarian philosophy is known in Saudi Arabia.

In Northern Africa these right wing extremist, so-called “Islamist” groups go by the sobriquet Salafi or Salafists. Also Takfir. Virtually all of these groups, just like the Wahabbi are infiltrated by Israeli, British, French, and/or U.S. intelligence operatives, ultimately to serve the elite control agenda.

6. Similarly, Hamas was funded and supported by the Mossad of Israel over the past 35 years or so to be used as a foil to destabilize the PLO. Divide and conquer. However, Israel managed to corrupt the PLO quite thoroughly, while Hamas continued to develop away from the terrorist model in a grassroots manner to provide basic social support services for people in the Gaza strip. They provided food, clothing, schools, medical care, and policed the neighborhoods, instead of just blowing things up, and/or stealing millions of dollars and creating a privileged crony network the way that the PLO did.

7. The fact that Sufi turuk are named after their founders is not even scant evidence for your bogus “bloodline” theory.

Seattle, Washington is a city named after a Northwest Indian chief in a state named after a Colonial general. By your magical thinking does that mean that everyone, or even a significant minority of people in Seattle are blood descendents of Chief Seattle or George Washington? I rather think not.

8. You seem to have some kind of gay fantasies about the Almoravids and Portugese Templars.

Take a cold shower.

I also suggest you study the differences between correlation, causality, inference, induction, deduction, syllogism, simile, metaphor, and synecdoche.

Not to mention hyperbole.

Research data clearly shows that there is a robust statistical correlation between the density of telephone poles and the per capita incidence of heart attacks in any chosen geographical region of the country.

Does this mean that telephone poles cause heart attacks?

I kinda doubt it. How about you?

You need to look into things more carefully, more deeply, more thoroughly, and then get out there and live a little, you know? Check what you read against the yardstick of experience, preferably long-term experience.

9. Bani Tamim simply means “Children of Tamim.” I’ve never heard of Tamim, but that doesn’t mean much. There’s lots of people I’ve never heard of. Billions and billions.

All Muslims believe they are direct descendents of Abraham/Ibrahim and his first son Ishmael. A good case for this can be made by any breif exegetical study of the Book of Genesis, without ever opening a Qur’an. The hard part comes in parsing out the history from the legend, the fact from the myth.

Guess what? All Jews believe they are direct descents of Abraham and his second son Isaac. That’s cool. I’ve got no problem with that.

10. We are all descendents of someone.

It’s your repetitious to the point of seizure-inducing harping on this meme that is so pointless. Yes, we all got before you ever came along. The elite believe this shit and they really really really want you and me and everyone else to believe it too. But I don’t. And neither do you. And neither do Iridescent Cuttlefish or Oarwell. Starroute I’m not so sure about. (Just kidding [:-{) Do you like my mustache?

You’re a Bloodline Bloggerottsy, like some panting paparazzi. You stand or sit breathlessly in awe of it, while your carpel tunnel syndrome only gets worse and worse and worse.

Get over it man. For God’s sake, take the next step.

11. If you want to get some insight into why shariah law is most likely bogus, just like the talmud, look up the writings Ahmad Khalifa, an Egyptian PhD biochemist and Qur’anic scholar who was assassinated by members of “Al Qaeda” in Tucson, Arizona in the early 1990’s. How likely is that?

Try this link: www.submission.org

12. I will spot you this much:

You are almost certainly right about the Bahai and the British East India Company.

If you want to know more about the Dalai Lama try the writings of Victor and Victoria Trimondi at this link:

http://www.american-buddha.com/shadow.dalai.htm

13. Not all things mystical or secret are bad or evil or masonic or illumistic or associated with the Templars. Elusiveness is sometimes the nature of truth and frequently the nature of, well, Nature, especially at its most rare and beautiful.

Try chasing a deer in the woods or a butterfly in a meadow, if you doubt me.

How often do you get to see a green flash in the final moments of a sunset?

We won’t even approach the issue of making love between a man and woman united in surrender to God. You might blush, or doubt what is possible.

Let me leave you with a song.

Play it, Sam.

Some people just exist
While shrouded in a mist,
A shaman may drink piss,
The secret to his bliss,
But it is what it is,
You might ask why.

You must remember this,
The truth you can’t dismiss,
A kiss is still a kiss,
A sigh is still a sigh,
The fundamental things apply
As time goes by.

12/14/2006 06:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Ibn Rushd said...

Correction to the above:

In # 1. of the post immediately preceeding it should have read "constitute a tiny minority" not majority.

Sorry for the oversight. My proofreader lost his reading glasses. And now his job.

12/15/2006 01:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Ibn Rushd said...

That correction was for # 2, not # 1. Now I will have to fire myself.

Well, at least I'll have company.

wa salaamu alaykum, akhii.

12/15/2006 02:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One caveat: I would hold off on my first interpretation of the Washington/Russell letter, though not the fact that their names both appear on the "Illuminati" letter.

The issue is the debate whether it is the same handwriting or not (both Washingtons, or Washingtons and Russells on the same page).

It could I guess be the same handwriting, though its a pretty drastic change from one day of Washington's life--Washington's handwriting in that letter above is all spidery and frail, and the little P.S. section though (dated the same day) is very strong, thick and bold.

My interpretation is that it is a completely different handwriting on the same paper (though that could be wrong).

It's not wrong that Russell and Washington have a record here of meeting at Mount Vernon. The issue that turns on whether two authors or one on that letter.

1. if it is two authors, both are relating Illuminati exposure texts passed to them, both thanking the same person.

2. if it is one author, Washington is (strnagely changing his handwriting style, though I suppose possible?) on the same day and thanking two different people, and thanking William Russell, Esq. for passing articles to him which he claims to have read, though the other Illuminati exposure book he has not really read at all.

What's not debatable is that Washington doesn't make sense in his three different strategies of talking about the issue, as mentioned above.

12/15/2006 07:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Comments to the "Sufi section" 'editor'. A lot of this was very instructive. Thanks for siccing yourself on me. Some clarifications and I think some misreadings on your part as I 're-comment' below.

1. You claim the Shi’ite / Sunni rivalry didn’t heat up until a few centuries after Muhammad. Complete and utter nonsense to the nth degree. Unless you don’t think that the assassination of Ali, one of the four so-called rightly guided Khalifah and a companion of the prophet, and the open warfare between the two factions that resulted, wasn’t “heated up” enough for you.

OK, I should have said at least over a century, given the split. After the first four caliphs (Abu Bakr, Umar ibn al-Khattab, Uthman ibn Affan, and Ali ibn Abi Talib), know as the Rightly Guided Caliphs, the title was claimed by different interpretations of the Ahl al-Bayt and the division became pronounced after that. The title was thus claimed instead of by one group by several: by Umayyads, Abbasids, Ottomans, and other ineages in Spain, Northern Africa, and Egypt.

I think we can agree that Sunni means a branch of leadership linage of Islam which started with Abu Bakr, ca?. The other branch was a move back to the 'family of the Prophet' since the Abu Bakr is not considered really part of the "Prophetic tradition' That's the division that started almost immediately, though it didn't erupt under after the fourth caliph. While Sunnis regard Abu Bakr as a rightful successor (caliph), the Shi'a insist that he violated Muhammad's direct orders and orchestrated a Coup d'état in other words. Though it was only after the first four did the title itself become split. That's what I was getting at, and it was a bloodline thing.

Shi'ite is Shī'at 'Ali or "the party of 'Ali"). Shi'a Muslims adhere to teachings of Prophet Muhammad and guidance of his family more exclusivisitically, mentioned above as the Ahl al-Bayt. (Sunnis would consider the Ahl al-Bayt 'all Islamic belivers' in their wider view).

Thus, Shi'as consider the first three ruling Sunni caliphs a mere 'historic occurrence' instead of a 'religious requirement' and not something attached to faith.

Sufi Tariqas (Sufi orders) may be associated with Shi'a Islam, Sunni Islam, other currents of Islam, or a combination of multiple traditions--though there are a lot of them in the Sh'ite 'wing.' However, there are a lot of Sufi orders among the Shi'as: Alevis, Bektashis, Qizilbashis, Noorbakshis, Kubrawiyas, Hamadanis, Tijānīs, Fatimids etc.

The division between Sunni and Shi'ite is so important because Muhammad is considered to have been God's final prophet, the "Seal of the Prophets". (Though other faiths like Bahai may have the same structure as this and themselves claim that they are 'one more Prophetic" summation the 'next final one.' etc. Not that I'm Bahai, I just wanted to point out that "I'm the last and most complete" is a strategy used by several religious traditions, to their mutual animosity.)

Thus, to allow other things to accidentally become tradition in Islam that is "out of the Prophet's family", is the original bone of contention here to Shi'ite--though less so with Sunni.

2. You claim that the majority of Sufis are Shia. Complete and utter nonsense to the nth degree yet again. Shia as an entire group only constitute at best 5-7 or 8 percent of all the 1.2 to 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. The rest are all Sunni, following the “sunna” or traditions of the prophet. A tiny majority of both groups can even nominatively be termed Sufis.

Er? You do the math. You talk of numbers of Sunni and Shi'a, not preponderances which I was talking about. There are preponderances of Sufis following in the leadership cadres of a much "closer interpreted" Ahl al-Bayt. This is not to say there are Sunni and Shi'ite leaning Sufi tarikas. Only that in terms of who they lean back to is a closer connection to a more exclusivist Ahl al-Bayt.

I never said that all of Shi'a was Sufi or visa versa or whatever it is you are claiming about, which doesn't make sense from what I said.

3. You claim, if I understand your convoluted paragraph, that somehow arch Qabbalist Moises Maimonides was the father of Sufism? Please don’t make me laugh. This is a zionist disinformation wet dream on steroids.

No. I didn't say that. I said that Maimonides was a Sabbatean bloodline group from the Shabbtai Tzvi 'wing' of ethnic Jews and they being Domleh instead of Jews...I think you don't know much about this... Read the Antelman book.

And by the way, in any standard system of Arabic transliteration it is the KA’BA, never the Qabba. Kaf and Qaf are two radically different letters, and there is no doubling of the consonent Ba, nor is there ever a diacritical mark that would indicate same.

Standard schmandard.

Frankly, I think you are being silly here since a spelling thing is always a transliteration, because Roman/Latin/English letters regardless are not going to be the proper form of the sound anyway. And translation issues go in styles, not as you think they are some timeless creations. Just look at the different spellings of Mumbai/Bombay, both right. Or the changes in English word spellings, both right American or British English, etc. It's a really petty point that you bring up. You're other points are not petty, though this is the height of being pinheaded and petty because literation issues change over time. There no "permanent" sign for a sound. If you can find a language that never ever changes and never dies out, I'll eat my (ever changing culture of spelled) words.

4. And while we are circling the “stone-worship” meme: It is the qabbalists and Sanhedrin of Judaism who use stones or crystals as magical oracles in a claim to know the will of God.

That's interesting, I didn't know that actually. Can you cite something?

The stone worship b.s. is just more disinformation [well! you get hostile here! in this assumption--] from your Jewish source material, Antelman et al.

No, you're just interpreting its location based on your obvious bias against Jews as a religious group. Frankly, all religious are historical change issues instead of timeless things. There are some very interesting and different things about early parts of many religions, Islam inclusive, Judaism inclusive, Christianity (which version?) inclusive... I see you as defending a particular tradition here, and thus seeing me as attacking it, which is not in my interest and that rather bores me actually and so far from my personality of the great respect for Islamic peoples and their manipulation from the Europeans outside, for so many recent centuries.

5. The Muslim Brotherhood: You are half right. It is a masonic inspired organization. But it has nothing whatsoever to do with Sufism.

Even when its founder was a Sufi? Wake up, man/woman!

It was fostered in Egypt in the 1920’s by British intelligence to counter and manipulate Egyptian politics over the past century.

That I can believe, though I have never read anything about this. Any suggestions about that? I could get that by the 1930s, though earlier I think it could be very much an anti-British response, that was later infiltrated.

That The “muslim brotherhood” is much closer to ultra right wing Wahabbism, as the sectarian philosophy is known in Saudi Arabia.

Yes.

In Northern Africa these right wing extremist, so-called “Islamist” groups go by the sobriquet Salafi or Salafists. Also Takfir. Virtually all of these groups, just like the Wahabbi are infiltrated by Israeli, British, French, and/or U.S. intelligence operatives, ultimately to serve the elite control agenda.

As I said, this was an area I assumed that this was going on, though you are attempting to convince me that it was going on. I'd like to be convinced by what you read on this more extensively? Cite something.

6. Similarly, Hamas was funded and supported by the Mossad of Israel over the past 35 years or so to be used as a foil to destabilize the PLO. Divide and conquer. However, Israel managed to corrupt the PLO quite thoroughly, while Hamas continued to develop away from the terrorist model in a grassroots manner to provide basic social support services for people in the Gaza strip. They provided food, clothing, schools, medical care, and policed the neighborhoods, instead of just blowing things up, and/or stealing millions of dollars and creating a privileged crony network the way that the PLO did.

Oh, I knew that. :-) Yes, another good example of externally seeding divisions geopolitically in an area. Similarly, I think that the only "Al-Queda" cell ever found was run by the Mossad. Israel was caught setting it up and running it as a honeypot and so they could guide 'terrorists' on pro-Israeli schedules to manipuate the social psychology and political culture of Israel from the inside. The books of Victor Ostrovsky get into much of this.

7. The fact that Sufi turuk are named after their founders is not even scant evidence for your bogus “bloodline” theory.

Um? Even when they are named after the person founding it? Even when there is an unbroken chain of selected people? Even when in leadership cadres, many of the families do tend to maintain power?

Seattle, Washington is a city named after a Northwest Indian chief in a state named after a Colonial general. By your magical thinking does that mean that everyone, or even a significant minority of people in Seattle are blood descendents of Chief Seattle or George Washington? I rather think not.

Now you are just playing with words there and this bores me: non-sequitur on so many levels. since Seattle is not a Sufi tarika, and since the leadership of Seattle does not start with Chief Seattle or was chosen by him in an unbroken chain. Totally non-sequitur and only a dirty lawyer would introduce somethiing so useless. :-)


8. You seem to have some kind of gay fantasies about the Almoravids and Portugese Templars.

You seem to fear homosexuality? Look around. It's not going to go away. I'm not homosexual. As I explained, which you fixated upon which says more about you than me, the point is that sex acts and the mental and emotional bonding it entails all get wrapped up in many closely held religious traditions (and particularly abusive religious traditions) that 'use it.'

I also suggest you study the differences between correlation, causality, inference, induction, deduction, syllogism, simile, metaphor, and synecdoche. Not to mention hyperbole. Research data clearly shows that there is a robust statistical correlation between the density of telephone poles and the per capita incidence of heart attacks in any chosen geographical region of the country. Does this mean that telephone poles cause heart attacks> I kinda doubt it. How about you?

You are transparent. I don't have time for your baiting childlike non-sequiturs. If you want to share something, do it, and grow up instead of playing teasing word games on the playground.

9. Bani Tamim simply means “Children of Tamim.” I’ve never heard of Tamim, but that doesn’t mean much. There’s lots of people I’ve never heard of. Billions and billions. All Muslims believe they are direct descendents of Abraham/Ibrahim and his first son Ishmael. A good case for this can be made by any breif exegetical study of the Book of Genesis, without ever opening a Qur’an....

These 'documents' are very historically changeable, as well as the way they are treated by different groups, despite their religions claims to the contrary. You seem to want to get into a dicussion of religious tenets based on the assumption that there is a timeless issue involved, which I don't agree with the assumption, so I have nothing to comment here.


11. ...Egyptian PhD biochemist and Qur’anic scholar who was assassinated by members of “Al Qaeda” in Tucson, Arizona in the early 1990’s. How likely is that?

I'll save the name and look it up, not for your claim that it "prooves something is bogus" which doesn't interest me, though because I'd be interested on who really would kill him.

12. If you want to know more about the Dalai Lama try the writings of Victor and Victoria Trimondi at this link: http://www.american-buddha.com/shadow.dalai.htm

Thanks.

13. Not all things mystical or secret are bad or evil or masonic or illumistic or associated with the Templars.

I didn't say they were.

Try chasing a deer in the woods or a butterfly in a meadow, if you doubt me. How often do you get to see a green flash in the final moments of a sunset?

You are arguing with your own constructions, which says more about you than me. You know nothing about me. And I'm resentful of your endless baiting like you really want to fight with me, which is not my interest.

I probably spend more time outside and in the woods than anyone you could ever know-- though even if I didn't, it wouldn't matter to what we are talking about.

Thanks for your knowledge and links.

12/15/2006 09:06:00 AM  
Anonymous ibn rushd said...

Dear Anonymous meganafs,

It is sad to me that you wish to expend so much effort in a misguided attempt to demonstrate your capacity for gathering a hodgepodge of interesting, abstruse historical information (which indeed ought to be brought to light) and to concentrate your energy on manipulating it in a manner which assuages your need to be "right".

It's kind of like the kid in the front row of the classroom who always has his hand up, shakes his head impatiently when another student gives slow or halting answer that doesn't suit your preconceptions, and then asks the teacher if the class can't have more homework than the assignment she's already given, which he didn't really appreciate in the first place.

So much more profitable to you would be a true interest in sifting the wheat from the chaff.

You betray this so clearly in your mad dash to assert that the Shia are Sufis. This "bloodline" mania has infected your mind like a fever. In providing yet another litany of obscure orders which you claim are Shia, you include the Bektashis, who are decidedly Sunni, even though they originate from within the former Persian empire. Yet you leave out the Naqshbandiyya in your Shiite laundry list, which order is to this day headed by an expatriate Iranian and is still firmly embedded within that cultural and sectarian milieu.

I personally think that both Sunni and Shia sects have lost their way, the Sunni by having slammed shut the door of ijtihad centuries ago, leaving them awash in retrogressive dogma of dubious origin, and the Shia by dint of having made a cult of personality out of the imams and ayatollahs. It has happened that both groups have lost their way by getting stuck in the muddy mire of Shariah, which is as turgid a mess of anti-human nonsense at this point as is the Talmud a manual for genocide.

You are so intent on displaying the quantity of information you claim to possess about the apple you believe you are eating that you haven't even realized it is in fact an orange.

While I may share your distaste and distrust of lawyers and their proclivity for sophistry, you project your loathing of your own shadow self when you say that I sound like a "dirty lawyer." For you are the one engaged in sophistry.

What missing shred of human decency on God's beautiful earth gives you even a mote's imaginary justification to impugne my hygiene, or that of lawyers in general, for that matter?

Here you betray the state of your consciousness so clearly and so dishearteningly.

Furthermore, it is so perilously close to the "dirty Arab" and "dirty Jew" memes as to resonate like a Heil Hitler salute from a self-righteous Nazi.

Now I'm not saying that that is what you are, but merely pointing out that you are dancing rather spastically and arrhythmically on that path of ignorant and fatuously indignant self-righteousness that leads so very fast and so very furiously straight toward perdition.

Iblis is pulling you by your nafs toward a hell of your own making, metaphorically speaking.

May Almighty God lift the scales from your eyes, pull the cotton wool out of your ears, lift the veils from your capacity for insight and set you on the path to true wisdom.

This I pray for your soul, which is fully in God's hands.

When you tell me that I am biased against Jews I really have to chuckle, being that I am one, and have been for well over half a century. That is quite rich. You thus would likely refer to members of Gush Shalom as "self-loathing Jews", just like the war-mad clique of genocidal maniacs that runs the sorry state of Israel.

How does that orange taste?

For anyone to seriously argue that KAF and QAF are the same letter, or are interchangeable, or that is single Ba is like one surmounted by a shadda, well, please don't ever become a physician, or a car mechanic for that matter. And steer clear of linguistics and religion as well. That is like trying to write Queen by substituting the word Kreme. You will never be understood because you don't even know what it is you are saying. And that is very dangerous. Best to keep your mouth shut for a term and seek greater understanding.

It is like a surgeon mistakenly taking out someone's healthy gall bladder instead of their burst appendix. Could be fatal to the patient. And not too good for the errant doctor either.

You are, truly without meaniing to insult you, a simpleton. At best.

Further, your constant expressions of being "bored" by what you can't readily grasp and refute, because you don't possess the capacity for subtlety or discernment to comprehend it, also suggests a deeper and more refractory flaw in your character.

Boredom is a sign of a shallow mind, or worse, a vacant heart.

All in all, a pretty dangerous combination.

Since you did express an interest in delving into some matters more deeply, I am happy to respond, and pray to God that time will mellow and soften the dry and brittle wood of which your cask seems current to consist.

Below is a clue to what the rabbinate used to do on the Temple Mount, that place from which the purported Shekinah fled, the grief of loss (which was actually occasioned by their rejection of the covenant) having morphed into the terroristic genocidal bombing of Shock 'n Awe:

The Kohanim hold the exclusive right to see, touch, and manipulate the Urim wa Thummim, a pair of stone dice used for the purpose of oraculation, which dice are stored in the tabernacle or carried in the breastplate of the Kohan.

Here's a link from the Mossadpedia for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urim_and_Thummim

While you are in that database, look up the crest of Yale University, a.k.a. the Russel Trust. You will discover that while it says LUX ET VERITAS [light and truth (sic) in Latin under the shield], ON the shield itself is the Hebrew legend "Urim wa Thummim".

That ought to send your wheels a spinnin'.

You are right that it would be a waste of time for you to explore the differences between correlation, causality, inference, induction, deduction, syllogism, simile, metaphor, and synecdoche.

It is at the present time too subtle for you.

You constantly call me a child and tell me to "grow up" in a vain attempt at ad hominem attack. Well, while I may likely be old enough to be your father, if even your grandfather, I would say that I don't yet consider myself to have developed a child's level of wisdom.

I am probably, on a universal scale of things, still just a foetus. You, my friend (and I do consider you a friend, albeit an insufferably arrogant one for the time being), seem still to be something of a zygote.

It is revealing, though far more so is it disappointing, that you took the pith of the deer and the butterfly and turned it into a piece of concrete to kick at with your claim of being a nature boy. Tra la la. I guess you didn't know what a green flash was or you would have argued with that too.

If you take all of this as a well intentioned scolding, that's okay. I am more hoping that it could serve as a brisk rap between the shoulder blades with a kotsu. Though I don't consider myself a roshi, the effect of the sting might still allow you to correct your imposture.

Now there's a fruitful avenue for data gathering, the connections between zen, samurai culture, Japanese imperialism, organized crime (which is nothing but a lower ranked, mailed gauntlet wielded by the same brutal entity of modern government), and secret societies. The Meiji restoration is as good a place as any to start your investigations.

You made a comment towards the end of your latest screed which bears repeating:

"....the point is that sex acts and the mental and emotional bonding it entails all get wrapped up in many closely held religious traditions (and particularly abusive religious traditions) that 'use it.'"

True words, and a very important insight into how the entire bludgeon of elite control is wielded, whether it be Benjamin Franklin debauching in the Hellfire Club in London, Henry Kissinger prancing in drag at the Bohemian Grove, an Iraqi prisoner being raped at Abu Ghraib, an alter boy being sodomised by a Catholic priest, or a Zuni child being molested in a kiva by a casique.

Remember this, please: One can only stand in the shit of a sewer for so long. Once you understand what shit is, where it comes from and what it does, and you come to realize where you are, then you need to direct your efforts to getting out of the sewer. Otherwise you risk being overcome by the fumes, developing a systemic infection, or worse, coming to a point where, unawares, you have decided that the sewer is where you want to be, and shit has become your closest companion.

That is a metaphor.

The sewer is the field of inquiry in which you are engaged, and the shit is the data. Yes, it is quite necessary to see it, recognize it, understand it, but then.........you need to hie yourself out of there back to the surface world of beauty, and find your path to greater wisdom, where you may then be blessed with the opportunity to feed a hungry child, clothe a shivering man, heal the wounds of an injured woman, maybe even free a slave or stop a crime from being committed.

Just never forget that the deepest darkest dungeon is the prison of your own mind. And the jailer in chief is your own pride.

FROM BOX TO BOX

Don't weep.
The joy that has gone
will come `round again in another form –
Have no doubt about this!

A child's first joy
comes from its mother's milk;
After the child is weaned
his joy comes from drinking sweet wine.

This supreme joy has no resting place -
It enters one form then another,
from box to box – an eternal movement
between heaven and earth.

Here it comes, pouring down from the sky,
seeping into the earth,
and rising up again as a bed of roses.

Now it is water, now a plate of rice,
Now the swaying trees, now a horse and rider.
It lies within these forms for awhile
then bursts forth to become something new.

Isn't this like our dreams? –
The body sleeps
while the soul moves on
to take other forms.
You say,
I dreamt I was a cypress, a bed of tulips,
the blossoms of roses and jasmines.

Then the soul returns, and you wake up –
the cypress is gone, the roses are gone.

I tell you truly,
everything you now see
will vanish like a dream.

I do not mean to trouble you, O friend,
with words so bold as these.
Perhaps you will only listen to God.
He speaks more gently than I.

But how will you ever hear Him with
All that blathering going on? –
Everyone is speaking about golden bread
yet no one has ever tasted it!

O my soul, where can I find rest
but in the shimmering love of his heart?
Where can I see the pure light of the Sun
but in the eyes of my own Shams-e Tabriz?

Mevlana Jalaluddin Rumi
d. December 17th 1307

12/15/2006 12:58:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

ibn rushd,

That was beautiful. Hagbard Celine couldn't have said it any better or more (or less) selflessly. A further cudgel, or gentle prodding stick in your kind hand, would have been the strange misrepresentation of Jefferson's bible (which explicitly denies the divinity of Jesus as unnecessary and, moreover, dangerous to a free society, since those who would wrap themselves in his mantle base their unfounded authority upon it) and the wall which tries to protect our liberty from the depredations of the immoral minority.

We watch, in reverence, as Narcissus is turned to a flower?

12/15/2006 02:49:00 PM  
Anonymous ibn rushd said...

Iridescent Cuttlefish,

Shukran for the appreciation and for the baraka of the green flash fotos and the poetry.

Barakallahu fik.

12/15/2006 03:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1.

"You betray this so clearly in your mad dash to assert that the Shia are Sufis. This "bloodline" mania has infected your mind like a fever. In providing yet another litany of obscure orders which you claim are Shia,..."

You are obviously "too Muslim" to really look at this--just as others might be "too Catholic" or "too secular" to really want to ponder the implications. Well I have another answer for you. Read Jeff's entry here about such mental blocks:

To Mrs Romand it became of paramount importance, for both her family's reputation in the community and her until-then unchallenged assumptions of the way things were, that her son must have made the whole thing up. Think about that for a moment, and you may see what a common response it is to information that transgresses our base-beliefs. Sometimes, the consequences of admitting certain realities are thought to be so grave we would rather believe a loved one a lunatic or a liar for testifying to them.

But Raymond and the children didn't change their story: whatever they had seen, it was what they had seen, and the best reference they had for it was not the "flying saucers" of adults' presumptions...



Such things are fine with me, as I have nothing against any religion. I just don't expect you to think historically about your own faith, which is typical of any closely held belief. Besides, as I explained once more, (once more once more once more, did you see that?) I never said that Sufis were Shi'a entirely, read it (twice!) above if you want. All you did was exactly state your misconception twice over.

So... I didn't read the rest of your post, so apologies "in absentia" if you said something interesting.

I close my comments on this thread in relation to you.

Now to IC, who encourages "cudgeling" when he has nothing useful to add:

A further cudgel, or gentle prodding stick in your kind hand, would have been the strange misrepresentation of Jefferson's bible (which explicitly denies the divinity of Jesus as unnecessary and,...

...though like I said above, that is exactly what I said as well IC, about the Jefferson Bible and Jefferson.

Both of you don't read.

Both of you are just itching to get out your "cudgels". One more directly violent, and one very passive aggressive (IC), not wanting to "seem violent" you put a semantic velvet glove spin on the issue--cudgeling becomes "gentle prodding stick in your kind hand". George W. Bush self-rationalizes as well like this. So does Condi Rice in her thigh high black heels as she steps on the face of Iraq.

Enough of that. Let's move on.


One last microstate before I hit the road: Navarre/Andorra, and then something on the "The Plot to get the Tudors"

I might post something interesting about Henry IV and Navarre, the Pyrenees (Merovingian?) area statelet that still exists in the area of "Andorra".

Navarre and 'Henry IV' (French name), its Prince, were very Protestant in the early 1500s, though when he became king of France he became ostensible exoteric Catholic against his will, during the French Wars of Religion.

Henry IV was the first Bourbon.

Some French Presidents have royal French Bourbon lineage, plus ca change.

The "Free French" logo against the Nazis in WWII used the double-barred "Cross of Lorianne" which relates to these bloodlines [see: _The Second Messiah, though ignore the silly reconstruction story of the Shroud from this book, pretty embarrassing fiction for effect.]

French Presidents are officially a "Co-Prince" of Andorra, (i.e, Navarre where the Bourbons came from originally....)

French Presidents as Princes, in the one area where the Bourbons came from originally? Strange.

So Navarre was the beginning of the Bourbons.

And--the beginnings of a lot of crypto-Catholic orders; strange politics of the Medicis links to the court of France and some interesting Merovingian lines intercompeting with each other, particularly into Charles V of the Holy Roman Empire and Francis I of France. To get there, follow:

"Catherine de' Medici (April 13, 1519 – January 5, 1589), born in Italy as Caterina Maria Romola di Lorenzo de' Medici, and later lived in France under the name Catherine de Médicis, was Queen of France as the wife of King Henry II of France, of the Valois branch of the kings of France, and mother of three further kings of that branch."

...

Born in Florence, she was a daughter of Lorenzo II de' Medici, Duke of Urbino and a French princess, Madeleine de la Tour d'Auvergne. Her only maternal aunt was Anne, Countess of Auvergne.

[Rennes le Chateau, with what amounted to hundreds of millions of dollars coming from somewhere, was an out of the way nowhere, until Berenger Sauneire was placed there as priest. He discovered something, or kept something secret after discovering something there--which led to royals from all over Europe to be his personal friend. He went on to build the Tour Magdalene there, at precisely some interesting coordinates, even though to do it, the tower had to be perched precariously off the hill...]

Madeleine de La Tour d'Auvergne (c. 1500? – April 28, 1519) was a penultimate representative of the senior branch of the house de La Tour d'Auvergne. She married Duke Lorenzo II de' Medicis in Château d'Amboise on May 5, 1518.

What's so special about de La Tour d'Auverne. They are de Bouillon linked:

La Tour d'Auvergne was a French noble family. Its senior branch, extinct in 1501, held the title of Count of Auvergne and Boulogne for about half a century. Its junior branch, extinct in 1802, held the title of duc de Bouillon since 1594.... The de Bouillons were of course leader of the First Crusade, who were offered the Kingship of Jerusalem, who declined to be "Protector of the Holy Sepulcher."

Madeleine's parents were Jean III de La Tour (1467–March 28, 1501), Count of Auvergne and Lauraguais, and a princess of Bourbon (1465–1511) whose name was either Jeanne or Catherine.

So the whole Bourbon line's "legitimacy" in the eyes of these groups is that it is married into these other lines.

Madeleine de La Tour d'Auvergne died in Italy together with her Medici husband due to plague. However, she had just given birth to a daughter, who was Catherine de' Medici [with de la Tour/de Boullion blood) (1519–1589), the future Queen of France.

All these were the Valois kings. When they died out, another branch with this line, the Bourbon, went on as king. Plus ca change.

And Merovingians marrying into each other:

Madeleine's elder sister Anne, who inherited Auvergne and married John Stewart, 2nd Duke of Albany, outlived Madeleine by five years but died childless, after which the Counties of Auvergne and Boulogne as well as the barony of La Tour passed to Madeleine's daughter Catherine de Medici and then to the French crown. Who was this Stewart? Only the intermittent heir presumptive to the throne of the Kingdom of Scotland, and its sometime Regent, who lived in France as sort of exile.

Other interesting French tidbits under the de Bouillon commonality of the Bourbons and Valois and Medici in-marriages: soon at the Luxembourg palace there, a secret was told to royal connected painter Nicholas Poussin by some of them which changed his life: in short, Nicholas Poussin became another "secret society mason" in what most assuredly was 1650 (long before English Hanoverians outed masonry in 1717.)

And Poussin issues continue into one aspect of the French revolution iconography: "Jacques-Louis David resurrected a style already known as "Poussinesque" during the French revolution"....For why that is interesting, read _Talisman. Though it fails to get into links between David's style and Poussin--it will get into their common use of putting in 'dual information' in their paintings for others in the know.

Poussin even pained himself with a Masonic ring, and lots of "on the square" looking canvases in the background. One canvas ingeniously makes a right angle square architects tool overlaping of the other. Poussin was "on the square".

This would be uninteresting, except for the other paintings of Poussin where he placed other geometric coded information, that served as 'waybills' for others. In an era where to talk about such things would have put one in danger of the Catholic Inquisition (the religious police state that ran Euorpe and burned people and books (even Bibles, Jewish Talmuds, and apocrypha books of both) for more than four centuries straight.

So, in this incredibly repressive intellectual environment in Western Europe, particularly among royals that had a completely different view of "true Christianity", codemaking and pictures as codes became very important. Mo one would ever think about it, much less be capable of proving it outright.

I love that Poussin self portrait of 1650 as truly symbolic of much of Europe: silent secrets plotting and aching to break through.

If you follow out Poussin, its an interesting window into it all.

Unless you were reading the signs instead of the images, you would only vaguely see him with a ring, making a cute statement that he is a court painter, with all his canvases in the background. However, if you knew to read the signs and knew how to interpret them, looking at his pinky (masonic ring) and all the right angle architect squares that the canvases so "accidentally" form, you would be aware without having to tell anyone.

Sort of like how a whole issue of innocuous signs in the street can 'advertize' a particular place is a crack house for drugs (tennis shoes hanging from a telephone wire). Another more relative example would be how a little push on a knuckle in a handshake can 'ask' if the other person is a Mason without talking about it. Only a Mason would know the series of staged questions afterward to talk to his brother mason to initiate a 'real' conversation. Without speaking or even indicating to the world at large, all this could be done. It was only a "frere macon" who would know--back in Poussins' 1650 era or today over the world.

Medici Popes and Medici French Queens: attempting to stop the breakaway Tudors of England from Divorcing themselves from "The Family"

One interesting bit: Catherine of Medici's 'uncle' arranged her marriage. This may hardly be strange, though [1] her 'uncle' was the Pope: Pope Clement VII, and [2]
he was a Knight of Rhodes [Knights Hospitalier] and Grand Prior of Capua, and, upon the election of his cousin Giovanni de' Medici to the pontificate as Pope Leo X (1513–21), he soon became a powerful figure in Rome. Upon his cousin's accession to the papacy, Giulio became his principal minister and confidant, especially in the maintenance of the Medici interest at Florence. On 28 September 1513, he was made cardinal, and he had the credit of being the main director of papal policy during the whole of Leo X's pontificate.

The Knights of Rhodes which the Medici got involved in and were 'let in on the secrets,' were The Knights Hospitaller (also known as the Sovereign Order of Saint John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta, Knights of Malta, Knights of Rhodes, and Chevaliers of Malta). It was the last remaining sovereign graded induction organization, like the Templars, that had been involved in the Crusades. It began as an Amalfi hospital in Jerusalem in 1080 to provide care for poor and sick pilgrims. However, from hospital monks, they took up arms. After the conquest of Jerusalem in 1099 during the First Crusade it became a Catholic military order under its own charter, and was charged with the care and then defence of pilgrims to the Holy Land. However, what this really translated into was that it was an imperial power for territory as well. Following the loss of Christian territory in the Holy Land, the Order operated from Rhodes, over which it was sovereign, and later from Malta where it administered a vassal state under the Spanish viceroy of Sicily. Although this state came to an end with the ejection of the Order from Malta by Napoleon [who may have simply with the Knights put up a mock battle to legitimate their huge treasury being turned over unsuspiciously to Napoleon], the Order as such survived. It's still around. After WWII, even though (officially) the Maltese knights were obviously not a nation involved in the fight, someone attempted to write them into the "peace" with a bit of their own state territory! And though not a 'nation' they are a non-voting member of the United Nations, another strange crypto-Catholic 'diplomat' in an ostensibly 'secular' NWO organization.

[I would bet in this United Nations organization, for instance, you would hardly see an imam or Ayatolla, or a native american shaman--only crypto-royalist Catholics connected to bloodlines and NWO graded induction cults like Bahai. Both have a whole family history there in who has historically attempted to 'run' Bahai as well as the intergenerational links between Grandmasterships of the Maltese Knights.]

It was the Medici pope who refused to grant Tudor renegade wannabee Henry VIII a divorce from his "Family approved" first wife, Catherine of Aragon. Aragon was all tied into this. The 'upstart' Tudors of Henry VIII were only substitutionary fill ins after the disaster at Bosworth field where Richard III dies:

"The Battle of Bosworth or Bosworth Field was an important battle during the Wars of the Roses in 15th century England. It was fought on 22 August 1485 between the Yorkist King Richard III, the last of the [Merovingian] Plantagenet dynasty, and the Lancastrian contender for the crown, Henry Tudor, 2nd Earl of Richmond (later King Henry VII). It ended in the defeat and death of Richard and the establishment of the Tudor dynasty."

Plantagenet means 'new sprout' in so many words. So the 'new sprout' was accidentally trampled, by a 'lower line' of their own family. There was a huge reorganization of family state power after that in England. (Howards of York come in, my favorite strange family of England-- Howards went on to build Castle Howard in the early 1700s; soon after they supplied the first Grandmastership of the York Rite Masonry just sort of 'out of the blue' (not.) In the inside foyer, Castle Howard looks strangely reminiscent of a "surrogate Papacy" Vatican frankly--which perhaps, it is and was for the Grandmaster of the York Masonic Rite who lived there. This is the entry road, with its huge stone pyramid you drive toward, under and beyond, into Castle Howard, head of the first Grandmastership of the York Rite. (Under the Great Pyramid and the Giza Complex are a huge assortment of catacombs as well.)



Remember that Richard III was Yorkist, though it was all part of the same family that was having infighting:

Edward of York was born on April 28, 1442, at Rouen in France, the second son of Richard Plantagenet, 3rd Duke of York (a leading claimant to the throne of England) and Cecily Neville. He was the eldest of the four sons who survived to adulthood. York's challenge to the ruling family marked the beginning of the conflict known as the Wars of the Roses. When his father was killed in 1460, at the Battle of Wakefield, pressing his claim against the Lancastrian king, Henry VI of England, Edward inherited his claim.

While Henry and his militant queen, Margaret of Anjou, were campaigning in the north, Warwick gained control of the capital and had Edward declared king in London in 1461. Edward strengthened his claim with a decisive victory at the Battle of Towton in the same year, in the course of which the Lancastrian army was virtually wiped out.

What made the Plantagent/Merovingian line of France mad was that Henry was allied with the Hapsburbs/Merovingians wing--their (intra family) enemies.

Henry VII (January 28, 1457 – April 21, 1509), King of England, Lord of Ireland (August 22, 1485 – April 21, 1509), was the founder and first patriarch of the Tudor dynasty. Henry allied with the Habsburg empire as a member of the Order of the Golden Fleece.

So this Habsburg-aligned wing led to the establishment of their Tudor dynasty in England.

On this one hand this is subsidiary to Europe geopolitics. On the other hand, perhaps not--because European geopolitics was animated through and with this Merovingian intercompetition, instead of it being subsidiary.

There were plenty of more 'open' purposes to openly oppose the Tudors by those who lost out. Though I would argue there is a bloodline issue as well: the (family Medici) Pope--involved in the deBouillion/de la Tour line--disliked a state attempting to go on its own--like when Henry VIII wanted to anull his marriage ties to Aragon as well:

Born in Alcalá de Henares, Catherine of Aragon was the youngest surviving child of Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile. Her older siblings were Isabella, Princess of Asturias, John, Prince of Asturias, Joan I of Spain and Maria of Castile and Aragon, Queen of Portugal. She was an aunt, among others, of Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor, John III of Portugal and their wives, Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor and Henry I of Portugal.

Although the second Mecidi Pope, Clement VII, always addressed Catherine as his niece, he was in fact a first cousin of her grandfather.

So it was her relative the pope who arranged her marriage negotiating with Henry's father François I of France. François was engaged in his lifelong struggle against Charles V (Hapsburg), another Merovingian linked dynasty--who was allied with the Tudors as well.

Henry VIII supposedly only married Catherine of Aragon at his father's dying wish [and likely warning] and was happily-enough married to her, although not faithful, for 18 years, until he became seriously worried about getting a male heir to his throne as she approached menopause.

Like many of these seriously inbred families, they are genetically unfit due to the attempt to conserve themselves only among each other.

For instance, of the "Spanish-Merovingian" wing, Catherine of Aragon's first child, a daughter, was stillborn in 1510. Prince Henry, Duke of Cornwall was born in 1511 but died after 52 days. Catherine then had a miscarriage, followed by another short-lived son. On February 18, 1516 at the Palace of Placentia in Greenwich, London, she gave birth to a daughter named Mary (later Queen Mary I of England). There was another miscarriage in 1518.

At this point Catherine was not in physical condition to undergo further pregnancies. The marriage was further soured by more trouble made by Catherine's father, Ferdinand, ostensibly over payments of her dowry and by a shift of his allegiance on the part of Ferdinand, who signed a treaty with the [more 'family'] French, to Henry Tudor's fury. His own father in law was now backing to subvert his attempt at independent 'non relative to the family' rule over England from a second son of the line, instead of the first sons.

Because of the lack of male heirs (he did have Eliz) Henry began to believe that his marriage was cursed and sought confirmation from two verses of the biblical Book of Leviticus, which said that, if a man marries his brother's wife, the couple will be childless. He chose to believe that Catherine had lied when she said her marriage to Arthur had not been consummated, therefore making their marriage wrong in the eyes of God. He therefore asked Pope Clement VII to annul his marriage in 1527.

The Medici Pope stalled on the issue for seven years without making a final judgement, partially because allowing an annulment would be admitting that the Church had been in error for allowing a special dispensation for marriage in the first place, and partially because he was a virtual prisoner of Catherine's nephew Charles V Hapsburg, who had conquered Rome.

And I suggest, partially, because to do so would to allow a 'bloodline rogue' of England to get away from this French embeddeded wing of the Merovingians. (England and France were "not officially separated" in the royal lines until well into the 1800s, when the English gave up their claims to the kingship of France.

A male heir--hopefully off the Spanish Merovingian line as counterbalance--was essential to Henry Tudor because he was nothing without the links to these lines, only the descendant of the second son rebel to the line.

And a mere female queen as head was an invitation to invade and destroy in that culture. The Tudor dynasty was new and "non family" without stronger repatriated alliances to "the family", and its legitimacy might still be tested--and would be.

Thus, once Queen Eliz Tudor, the last Tudor, comes to the fore, it's really her security services that run 'her' instead of her running them. AND THERE IS THE ORIGIN OF A HELL OF A LOT OF GLOBAL TROUBLE coming out of England.

Without male issue, Henry VIII dies after going the desperate lengths of even breaking with the Roman Catholic Church (and the Medici/Plantaget allied refusal) of the divorce to do it, which made everybody mad.

England was not Protestant during the English Reformation. [excellent book: The Rerformation and the English People, by Scarisbrick]. This made a lot of English mad at the Tudors as well. Protestantism--and with it a great deal of occultism simultaneously in the English version--came into the fore later. By Henry VIII breaking with the (Medici-French allied wing) Roman Catholic Church it was invitation for a lot of completely different allies to appear in England at this moment.

Elizabeth I was the sixth and final 'substitutionary' monarch of the Tudor dynasty (along with Henry VII, Henry VIII, her half-brother Edward VI, her cousin Jane, and her half-sister Mary I). She reigned for 44 years, during a period marked by increases in English power and influence worldwide, as well as great religious turmoil within England.

In short, with the disestablishment of Roman Catholicism, England gets really 'crypto' Christian--and just plain crypto--during Eliz (like John Dee scrying mirrors, calling forth "good angels not demons", Dee's semi substitutionary religion under his "Monad" emblem; astrology determining everything Eliz did and when she did it; "Christian Cabala" (thank you Dame Francis Yates, for everything). "Protestant popular backing," my ass!

So the last Tudor, Eliz I, without precedent for "females!" running states, comes to the fore as the puppet of her security services, who arrange for "outre" (other Merovingian) Stuarts to take over England and Scotland simultaneously, amongst other things they arrange.

These security services want to keep their mostly Protestant cryoto-Rosicrucian hermetic linked power under (crypto-masonic) Catholic James I from 1603, so the British security services stage the Gunpowder Plot to make James fear his people and trust in them to run the country just as Eliz did. It additionally served to make popular agitation against what James I was doing, attempting reconsiliation with Protestants and Catholics in England. The Gunpowder Plot is a huge contributor to the rabid turn of Protestantism that came out of England. And it was a 'false flag terror' event.

So the Tudor 'second son' branch is successfully snuffed out, with French Medici aid, and another French preferred allied crown is placed in England, the Stuarts.

However, the close identification of the Stuarts with the French Bourbons (their families, remember the Duke of Albany issue above, and a common crypto-masonic bloodline linked group of Stuarts (coming from the Scottish Transmission" of the esoteric Templars and a lot else from Scotland, gets pulled into 'modern history' from here on. Particularly with the English Commonwealth period, another civil war, where ironically Oliver Cromwell had a lineage from Katherine TUDOR (the previously outsted line), backed up with Bourbon lineage through that and even imperial Wittelsbachs. Family crypto-Christian infighting at its finest at the core of various other larger geopolitical issues that can easily be followed like a red thread, like blood that just won't die.

Conclusion


This is not to say, as the ICs of the world would keep saying, that it is ridiculous to limit a discussion to bloodline issues of Merovingians in Europe politics. As I said, I heartily agree. However, this is somewhat of an overemphasis as a correction, since it is irrational only to ignore it as one cloaked religious and geopolitical theme (among many other more exoteric issues) in much of European history under the Popes, when a 'blood conserving' and very select line of families in power didn't believe in that exoteric Christianity and attempted to finagle it when they could. Instead, they they had an ideology of bloodline links to the original Christians and perhaps even the House of David and other Jewish dynasties 2000 years previously.

These got married into the Merovingians, as well as select areas in Ireland/Scotland. These latter ones became the origins of Emperor Constantine. How many remember that Constantine was coming all the way from the York area of Scotland to conquer Rome, before he went to create "Rome in the East"--the Byzantine with his own preferred caesaropapism as well). Constantine attempted to refomulate what was then passing as "Christian as well" at the Council of Nicea in 325. Food for thought. Read Bushby's The Bible Fraud on Constantine lineage issues, and you will have a hard time remmebering what you thought before.

These families aren't the whole thing. Put away your cudgels.

Though to ignore it is simply foolish when so much of the occult things that RI talks about involve the secret society networks that these lines are soldered to--and still are in some hard right Christian connections with their crypto-aristocratic secret society of 'right wing' frameworks and followers who guard "the True Blood" just as active today scheming as they were hundreds of years ago. Though they have a lot of esoteric competitors, this 'wing' of it is mostly undiscussed, since masonic issues are thrown into the discourse about them being 'secular liberalizing'. That they are in some wings, though in this special wing, they are the complete opposite, that that was the original masonic connections in Scotland, as well as much else connecting esoteric Christiantiy to Anjou, to Plantagenets, Hapsburgs, Luxembourgs, etc.

Talk about an ideology with staying power. Some still have microstates. Hardly any wonder it is still around. It influenced how the French Resistance and post WWII France turns out; who ran the Nazi rat lines; and connects to Gladio hard Catholic networks as well.

As well as Monaco, the start of this thread.

Thank you, Grace.


Just a few sketches...

12/16/2006 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's that 'surrogate Vatican' feel to Castle Howard's Great Hall that I was looking for, home of the first Grandmaster of the York Rite in the early 1700s:

http://www.dicamillocompanion.com/Houses_images.asp?ID=398&pic=2

Compare to 'the other Christianity' here or here, at the Vatican.

12/16/2006 09:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unable to resist:


Coda

1. With Queen Eliz, we get the British East India Company (1600-1850s).

2. Microstates of Bouillion and Orange, "Gone though Not Forgotten" as you will see:

De La Tour d'Auvergne (Bouillion line) had their own 'microstate' as well, for a while, though it was swamped after the more Illuminized revolution side of the French Revolution. Afterwards for a while under Napoleon it was back--and interestingly passed to Josephine, through de Tascher presumably of the same Merovingian claims:

Frederic-Maurice's son, Godefroy Maurice de La Tour d'Auvergne (1641-1721), was the first to become a truly sovereign duke of Bouillon. This happened in 1678, when the Duchy of Bouillon was finally reconquered by Marshal de Créqui from the Spaniards. Apart from his ducal titles, Godefroy-Maurice held the titles of Count of Evreux, Armagnac, Beaumont, etc, was made Grand-Chambellan in 1658 and governor of Auvergne in 1662. All these titles would remain in the la Tour d'Auvergne family for more than a century.

The most famous of the Lords of Bouillon was Godfrey of Bouillon, who sold it to the Bishopric of Liege. The bishops started to call themselves dukes of Bouillon, and the town emerged as the capital of a sovereign duchy by 1678, when it was captured from the bishopric by the French army and given to the La Tour d'Auvergne family. The duchy was prised for its strategic location as "the key to the Ardennes" (as Vauban called it) and hence to France itself. It remained a quasi-independent protectorate, like Orange and Monaco, until 1795, when the Republican Army finally annexed it to France.

Orange


And I've already addressed the House of Orange above, though to 'update" the House of Orange as well:

The sovereign Carolingian counts of Orange had their origin in the 8th century, and passed into the family of the lords of Baux.

The Baux counts of Orange became fully independent with the breakup of the Kingdom of Arles after 1033. From the 12th century, Orange was raised to a minor principality, as a fief of the Holy Roman Empire. When William I "the Silent", count of Nassau, with estates in the Netherlands, inherited the title Prince of Orange in 1544, the Principality was incorporated into the holdings of what became the House of Orange. This pitched it into the Protestant side in the Wars of Religion, during which the town was badly damaged. In 1568 the Eighty Years' War began with William as stadtholder leading the bid for independence from Spain. William the Silent was assassinated in Delft in 1584. It was his son, Maurice of Nassau (Prince of Orange after his elder brother died in 1618), with the help of Johan van Oldenbarnevelt, who solidified the independence of the Dutch republic. The United Provinces survived to become the Netherlands, which is still ruled by the House of Orange-Nassau. [With the Whig banker coup,...]...William, Prince of Orange, ruled England as William III of England. Orange gave its name to other Dutch-influenced parts of the world, such as the Orange Free State in South Africa.

The city was part of scattered Nassau holdings until it was captured by the forces of Louis XIV in 1672 during the Franco-Dutch War and was finally ceded to France in 1713 under the Treaty of Utrecht that ended the wars of Louis XIV.

Following the French Revolution of 1789, Orange was absorbed into the French département of Drôme, then Bouches-du-Rhône, then finally Vaucluse.

However, strangely, the title remained with the Dutch Princes of Orange.


Orange in the Present: Still Right Wing Monarchist


Orange attracted international attention in the 1990s, when it elected a member of the extreme right-wing Front National as its mayor. It is still run by the FN, which regards it as its flagship.

The National Front (FN, French: Front national) is a far-right, nationalist political party in France, founded in 1972 by Jean-Marie Le Pen. The FN claims to have 60,000 members.[1] In the French presidential election of 2002, National Front candidate Jean-Marie Le Pen finished a distant second to Jacques Chirac in a runoff election.

Amongst other things it argues for:

* A return to more "traditional" values: to include making access to abortion more difficult or illegal; paying women to stay at home and raise children; refusing "aberrant" cultures such as modern art and gay culture; promoting certain local traditional culture.
* Compulsory military service.
* Greater independence from the European Union and other international organizations.
* The establishment of tariffs or other protectionist measures against cheap imports.
* Reinstatement of the death penalty.

Le Pen's statements against the 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen are taken as opposition to the French Revolution., which is common coin among the Action Francaise that runs with the FN.

Winock also defines the FN as the conjunction of all far-right French traditions: the counter-revolutionaries, the pétainistes (collaborationists under Vichy France), fascists and members of the OAS terrorist group.

The FN was born out of the second congress of the Ordre nouveau (New Order) far right movement on June 10-11, 1972, when it was decided to create a party to participate in the 1973 legislative elections.

In 1988 Bruno Mégret became the general secretary of the FN, overshading Jean-Pierre Stirbois, whom died the same year. Carl Lang and Bruno Gollnisch were then promoted by Mégret to senior levels within the party. Royalists such as Michel de Rostolan, Thibault de la Tocnaye and Olivier d'Ormesson also joined the FN in the 1980s, recognizing in it a continuity of the Action Française royalist movement.

In December 1998, Bruno Mégret, at that time still number 2 in the FN, quit the party to found what would become the MNR. Today, in addition to the MNR, the FN also faces opposition from Philippe de Villiers' MPF, which shares similar ideas and has seen several former FN members join it, amongst whom are Jacques Bompard, mayor of Orange.

For the 'harder royalists,' the Action Française is a French Monarchist (Orléanist) counter-revolutionary movement and periodical founded by Maurice Pujo and Henri Vaugeois and whose principal ideologist was Charles Maurras. Although it supported the Orleanist branch, according to historian René Rémond's categorization of French right-wing families, it would be closer to the legitimist branch, characterized by rejection of the 1789 French Revolution's ideals. According to historian René Rémond's famous classification of French right-wing families, the Action Française belongs to the legitimist counterrevolutionary movement, which rejects all change since the 1789 French Revolution[s].

...

Back to updating de la Tour/de Bouillion house--the French Presidents live there:


In 1809 Napoleon endorsed an arrangement, whereby the La Tour estates and liabilities pertaining to the 1651 exchange devolved upon the French State. Their chateau at Navarre and Hôtel d'Évreux in Paris passed to Empress Josephine and her relatives. [same family, de Tascher, Merovingians]

The ["de Bouillion" line] Parisian residence was subsequently renamed into the Élysée Palace and currently serves as the official residence of the President of France.

So the heads 'kings' of France still live in the de la Tour D'averne palace which is the de Bouillion lined one--and they are still Co-Prince of "Navarre" (Andorra), the Pyrenees, where the de Bouillons came from at the start.

This gets into the right wing crypto-monarchism of the Priory of Zion, that "conundrum wrapped in an enigma" of people, involved in the Free French movement leadership during WWII.

12/16/2006 10:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Avicenna said...

Anonymous megageek suffering from Bloodline Fever:

Look up Asperger's Syndrome, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, and Monomania.

Maybe you need a good shrink (very hard to come by) and some decent multi-modal therapy.

At least you need some TLC.

I pity you. From the depths of my heart.

Go back and read Ibn Rushd's last post, which was obviously constructed quite lovingly for you. It is medicine for your soul that you quite clearly so sorely need.

Don't put your hands to your head and go "la la la." What you've got is an affliction and it won't get better without some real help.

I will pray for you.

12/16/2006 11:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Fritz Springmeier said...

Hey Anonymous,

Ibn Rushd's a JEW, not a muslim.

Not the historical one, but the one who you are arguing with.

You need to read his last comments.

He's on your side.

Don't be a moron.

Write me more often.

It sucks in prison.

God bless you.

12/16/2006 12:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And much apologies: I should have earlier said thanks to Miraculix who said:

"As a typist often accused -- and just as often found guilty -- of purpling the occasional bit of prose, I can identify with the free-wheeling freewrite style the erudite anonymous on this thread embraces as a loved one. His/her anonymous approach is not just following a singular thread but instead finding structure in the fabric via the overlay of a number of significant historical threads."


Thanks very much. I'll remember to attempt to look you up for a summary if ever I take the "Carpal Tunnel Challenge" and do more than sketch. Though it starts with sketching.

Looking back over this sprawling landscape, if there is one phrase that sticks out in my mind (besides the kind Miraculix's grok that it's "not just following a singular thread but instead finding structure in the fabric via the overlay of a number of significant historical threads", I would recapitulate this:

Though small, the microstates are very mainline issues. They can show who is still around aristocratically with power enough to keep their little statelets. Do you think for one moment that national state conquests and particularly ruthless Illuminized groups who stop at NOTHING to achieve what they want, would not have toppled these little places unless they still have power in some sense that had to be accommodated--or were a faction of the whole thing? A future reflection of what they want, disguised as a throwback?

12/16/2006 01:13:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Conclusion

Really? The word does mean final, you know. You seem unable to stop. Look, no one is arguing your right to speak, but can you be reasonable about it? Here's what I mean. You say things like this:

This is not to say, as the ICs of the world would keep saying, that it is ridiculous to limit a discussion to bloodline issues of Merovingians in Europe politics. As I said, I heartily agree. However, this is somewhat of an overemphasis as a correction, since it is irrational only to ignore it as one cloaked religious and geopolitical theme (among many other more exoteric issues) in much of European history...and off you go again.

No one has said that these people don't believe in the power and authenticity of their bloody genealogies. Do you imagine that by focusing to the extent that you do, "posting" these endless recitations of Icke Illuminism research, that you are somehow on the middle path, being aware of this theme without imbuing it with undue significance?

The issue you have consistently failed to address is what the elites themselves would have us believe regarding these claims. Do you really think they don't want your 'secret truths' revealed, that they don't want the intrepid researcher cowed into stunned submission by the the supernatural reach of these tenacious tentacles across time & space?

What exactly is wrong with the heir of Bill Hicks' admonition to ignore the lie of genetic superiority inherent in the bloodline meme? Conversely, armed with this singularly tunnelscopic view of history, are you somehow better prepared to resist the octopus? If so, how, exactly? What would you do if you "discovered" that your landlord is a secret Merovingian or whatever revered mumbo-jumbo you would call it?

This is the heart of the matter, obsessive one--you treat of your subject with what can only described as reverence. The titles, the grand destiny of their nefarious interbreedings...you give them just what they want. A vehicle for perpetuating their shallow, not grand, conceit.

As to the issue of your description of Jefferson's bible, I believe your phrase was, "so much for the separation of church and state"--to me, this means that Jefferson's bible undercuts that notion, when obviously this is the opposite of his intent.

Lastly, why are you so unwilling to engage in dialogue, preferring instead to spew endlessly those damned lists of "yours"?

12/16/2006 02:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IC wrote:

As to the issue of your description of Jefferson's bible, I believe your phrase was, "so much for the separation of church and state"--to me, this means that Jefferson's bible undercuts that notion, when obviously this is the opposite of his intent.

No. "...[s]o much for the separation of church and state", if less nearsighted in clipping, I referenced the fact that the U.S. Government officially at one time was publishing the Jefferson Bible.

IC wrote:

The issue you have consistently failed to address is what the elites themselves would have us believe regarding these claims.

No. I said I don't care about that issue many times, as I'm sure many of the readers here. However, the point is that someone does believe it. Sorry, the issue you have consistently failed to recognize is that I said that above several times so your beating a straw dog as it were, since I'm on your side in this.


IC wrote:

What exactly is wrong with the...admonition to ignore the lie of genetic superiority inherent in the bloodline meme?

As I said, above, I agree with that statement. However, to "ignore a claim" and to "remain ignorant" are two different things. If these groups are still around, and they are, it is very easy to ignore that claim of which you speak which I agree with, while NOT remaining ignorant of them, as you seem to wish to be. You seem to see fear some sort of strange "publicity to their self-proclaimed legitimacy" to even discuss it. Sorry, I don't buy that--along with you actually. There's no hidden agenda in publicizing some sort of legitimacy of anything. To understand forms of their subjective and internal motivations, you are required to get into this.

IC wrote:

Conversely, armed with this singularly tunnelscopic view of history,...,

No. As I said above, this is only one area that is typically left under "patrolled" as it were, instead of a substitutionary reductionism that you seem regardless to categorize it as. There are plenty of statements above contradicting this view that you inserted without cause or justification.

Four strikes and you're out IC, I expected better from you, actually. I close my comments to you as well because it is a huge distraction to talk to people who aren't even representing you correctly. I gave you more leeway because I admire you.


---

And surprised that I failed to mention this. It just struck me.

I rescind the 'Conclusion', to mention (perhaps in "Appendix A"):

Stuart/Bonaparte line in the foundation of of the U.S Federal Bureau of Investigation---And Future Organized Crime in America

Of the eight children of the Bonapartes from Corsica, two were of course Napoleon Bonaparte and his brother Lucien that were so instrumental in that particular 'wing' of the French Revolution.

Another of these eight children were Jerome Bonaparte, youngest brother of Napoleon.

Jerome's grandson was Charles Joseph Bonaparte (June 9, 1851–June 28, 1921), and a member of the Teddy Roosevelt United States Cabinet. Teddy, benefitting from the quick death of McKinley, suddenly was president. Teddy was quickly thereafter the first U.S. first President to bring Skull and Bones families en masse into the Cabinet. Bonesmen had been other places before, though with Teddy Roosevelt--who lived in the White House with a representative of the J.P. Morgan bank to keep him in line--was the first to bring Bonesmen into the Cabinet. One of these was future President Taft (1908-1912), the son of Alfonso Taft, co-founder with the Russels family of Skull and Bones.

Born in Baltimore, Maryland, Charles Joseph Bonaparte was the son of Jérôme Napoleon Bonaparte (1805-1870) and Susan May Williams (1812-1881), from whom the American line of the Bonaparte family descended.

Same place as this Bonaparte group, Baltimore is where Brown Brothers historically was located in America, the huge private merchant banking house. It had Rothschild connections from the 1837 crash, when the Bank of England/Rothchild made huge efforts to salvage-sponsor Brown Brothers Bank from going under.

Brown Brothers were close friends with the Biddles, who ran the private monopoly driven Second Bank of the United States. The Philadelphia offices of Brown Brothers was "back door to back door" to Biddle's Bank. Even as the Bank was going under in the late 1830s, the Brown family helped out Biddle, to the consternation of everyone around them.

On September 1, 1875, Bonaparte married Ellen Channing Day (1852-1924), daughter of attorney Thomas Mills Day and Ellen Cornelia (Jones) Pomeroy. Though they had no children officially, Pomeroys and Days are both huge intergenerational Skull and Bones families. Just another huge coincidence.

Charles Joseph Bonaparte was a member of TR's Board of Indian Commissioners from 1902 to 1904, chairman of the National Civil Service Reform League in 1904 and appointed a trustee of The Catholic University of America.

In 1905, U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt appointed Charles Joseph Bonaparte to his cabinet as United States Secretary of the Navy.

From 1906 until the end of President Roosevelt's administration, Charles Joseph Bonaparte served as TR's United States Attorney General.

Quite busy, soon thereafter, in 1908, Charles Joseph Bonaparte of the royal French line (and cloaked Stuart line), founded the proto U.S. Federal 'Bureau of Investigation' (BOI).

It is presumed that the masonic networks around the royal Bonapartes were useful to piggyback and insinuate into the U.S. federal government, to get off the ground a spy and surveillance network.

Such a corrupt FBI was essential in how organized crime was consolidated under their watch by their "looking the other way." Since in the U.S. organized crime was "worked into existence" and "was worked" to benefit the same consolidated finance in the U.S., in the 1920s during Prohibition and onward.

Outlaw something, and have a corrupt police force working with the consolidated gangsters to consolidate it into a monopoly, and you have quite a money train.

And who introduced the Prohibition law? This was the Harrison Narcotics Act--introduced by Skull and Bonesman Harrison, son of the secret spycraft private secretary Harrison, for Confederate President Jefferson Davis.

12/17/2006 11:53:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Dude,
You're kidding, right?

12/17/2006 01:23:00 PM  
Anonymous The KING said...

No, sadly, he is not.

But I am:


Sung to the tune of Heartbreak Hotel:

Well.....since Fritz went to prison,
I’m lonely and so blue,
I got a case of Bloodline Fever,
It’s worse than bird flu.

And I’ve been
So very verbose baby,
So fucking verbose, baby,
I’m terribly verbose...
But I’m shy.

Well.... I think Springmeier’s Jesus,
And Alex Jones a god,
I spend my hours cut and pasting,
Why am I so odd?

It’s just that
Fever of bloodlines talking,
Old bloodline fever’s squawking,
That bloodline fever
It’s a bitch.

My carpal tunnel’s throbbing,
My hemorrhoids they bleed
From sitting on my ass and typing
It’s such a strange need.

I can’t stop
from thinking about it, baby,
and writing about it, baby,
Why do those bloodlines
Plague my mind?

Now.......Avicenna said that
I’m just an Aspergers,
Hematically obsesssed with shit like
the Schwarzeneggers.

I think that’s
Really a low blow, baby,
Below the belt now, baby,
You really hit me
Where it hurts.

I don’t know how I caught it,
This monomania,
I think old Dracul bit me back in
Transylvania.

That must be
It. I’ve got the dragon’s poison,
The dragon poison’s in me,
I hope it’s not too
Sirius.

So.... I went to see the doctor,
He told me what to do:
Now all those Old World Order fuckers,
They’ve morphed into New

World Order.
I can’t escape it, baby,
Those schmucks still plague me, baby,
Bill Hicks we need you.
Please come back.


Thank you, Ma'am. Thanky you very much.

12/17/2006 05:08:00 PM  
Anonymous antiaristo said...

I'll be posting this on the RI Board when it stops blocking me.

.

I've read the Stevens Report on the death of Diana, Princess of Wales.
I've spent much time thinking - conscious and unconscious - since the release of the report.
Now is the time to share my early thoughts.

I'm right about the motive, and the coverup in progress right now.
And I'm pretty sure there is someone else who agrees with me.
Oops! I should say "agreed" rather than "agrees". He died (in his ninety-first year) in January this year.


This is the cover page wording:

[quote]The Operation Paget inquiry
report into the allegation
of conspiracy to murder
[b]Diana, Princess of Wales[/b]
and Emad El-Din Mohamed Abdel Moneim Fayed
Report[/quote]

Do you see what I see?

Diana, Princess of Wales.

[b]SHE STILL HELD THE TITLE AT HER DEATH.
Just think about that.[/b]

At the very least.......

NO WAY COULD CAMILLA BECOME QUEEN.
LACKING SOME "PEARL HARBOR EVENT"


Stevens is completely "in your face" about what he is doing:


[quote]Chapter One focuses on the key element of motive. Why would anyone want to kill
the Princess of Wales or Dodi Al Fayed? What evidence is there that the couple were
engaged, intending to get engaged and about to make a public announcement? What
evidence is there that the Princess of Wales was, or perhaps more importantly
believed, she was pregnant? What evidence is there that, if true, this was sufficient
cause for anyone to order her murder? [p 11]

........

Report Layout

The Chapters are:

1. Relationship/Engagement/Pregnancy
[Paget Note: The alleged motive for the conspiracy] [/quote]


The only MOTIVE that Stevens considers is that it is all about Dodi.

What a surprise!

[b]The Windsor/Al Fayed shared agenda, no?[/b]

Chapter 1 is ALL about Di 'n Dodi.
Pointless (other than the magician's right hand).

So I went through the report and collected EVERYTHING on the Paul Burrell letter, and will post same in Data Dump.


We begin at Ch 2; "Perceived threats to the Princess of Wales"



[quote]Précis of the claims made by Mohamed Al Fayed [page 94]

It is alleged that the Princess of Wales feared for her own safety, believed there were
plans to cause her harm and expressed these concerns to other people.


Claim

4. Mr Burrell has recently disclosed a letter written by the Princess of Wales in
October 1996 and apparently given to him for safekeeping. It includes the following
passage:

`I am sitting here at my desk today in October, longing for someone to hug me and
encourage me to keep strong and hold my head high. This particular phase in my life
is the most dangerous. [...] is planning `an accident' in my car, brake failure and
serious head injury in order to make the path clear for Charles to marry. ...’

(This appears to be a direct lift from a newspaper article of October 2003.)

Source - Undated ‘Note of Argument’ Supporting Petition For Judicial Review -
Minister For Justice, Scotland - In name of Mohamed Al Fayed, Page 7(11) xxii[/quote]



How preposterous is this?

Dame Elizabeth Butler-Sloss, the Coroner, has in her possession the letter handwritten by Diana.
The very letter!

Yet Stevens introduces this matter how?
He grants agency to Al Fayed!
He quotes from an Al Fayed document which in turn quotes the Daily Mirror.
And we [b]KNOW[/b] that the Daily Mirror deliberately misquoted the original!!!!

We KNOW the passage ended

"in order to leave the path clear for [b][i]HIM[/i][/b] to marry."

WHAT? Is Stevens saying that he has not looked at the letter???
It would seem to be so, for Lord Stevens repeats this casual misquote every time.

And he is pronouncing on motive?

These were the original terms of reference:
[ page 4]

[quote].....
• [b]To identify allegations[/b] which would suggest that the deaths of the Princess of
Wales and Dodi Al Fayed were caused other than as a result of a tragic road
traffic accident and assess whether there is any credible evidence to support
such assertions and report the same to the Coroner [/quote]


Can anybody offer an [b]INNOCENT[/b] explanation for why Stevens has failed to carry out this remit?

For why he uses a [b]KNOWN[/b] misrepresentation?


Now for some meat.
Sorry it's long, but if it's too much for you you are wasting your time on this thread.


[quote]1. Concerns for her Personal Safety

Section 1 is in two parts:

Part (a) examines evidence where the Princess of Wales has expressed her concerns
specifically relating to a car accident:

i) A note produced by [b]Lord Mishcon[/b], the Princess of Wales’ legal
representative, giving details of a meeting with her in 1995 in which she
expressed concerns for her safety.

ii) A note left [b]apparently[/b] in 1995 or 1996 for her butler Paul Burrell, in which
she wrote of her fears of a car accident.

iii) An incident in a car she was driving in 1995 when the Princess of Wales
believed her brakes failed as a result of tampering.

Part (b) looks at the general concerns of the Princess of Wales by examining the views
of those who knew her.

Page 96

Part (a) - Concerns Relating to a Car Accident

i) The Lord Mishcon note

Lord Mishcon was the personal legal representative of the Princess of Wales. In 1995
he was general advisor to the Princess of Wales. In a meeting with her she outlined
fears for her safety, including the possibility of an accident in her car. Following her
death in the 1997 traffic collision, Lord Mishcon believed he should bring the content
of the note to the attention of the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Service
(MPS).

Baron MISHCON of LAMBETH (now deceased)
Legal adviser to the Princess of Wales.

Interviewed by Operation Paget -Statement 222

On 30 October 1995, he attended a meeting with the Princess of Wales and her
Private Secretary, Patrick Jephson. Following that meeting, Lord Mishcon prepared a
handwritten note (Operation Paget - Exhibit VM/1).

He wrote that the Princess of Wales had told him, that ‘reliable sources’ (whom she
did not wish to name) had informed her that by April 1996, whether in an accident in
her car such as a pre-prepared brake failure or by other means, efforts would be made
if not to get rid of her, then at least to see that she was so injured or damaged as to be
declared unbalanced.

The Princess of Wales apparently believed that there was a conspiracy and that both
she and Camilla Parker Bowles were to be ‘put aside’.

Lord Mishcon told the Princess of Wales that if she really believed her life or being
was under threat, security measures including those relating to her car must be
increased. He did not believe that what she was saying was credible and sought a
private word with Patrick Jephson, who to Lord Mishcon’s surprise, said that he ‘half
believed’ the accuracy of her remarks regarding her safety.

On 18 September 1997, following the Princess of Wales’ death in Paris, Lord
Mishcon met with the then Commissioner Sir Paul (now Lord) Condon and then
Assistant Commissioner (now Sir) David Veness at New Scotland Yard (NSY), in
order to bring the note to their attention. He read out the note (Operation Paget
Exhibit VM/1) and emphasised that he was acting in a private capacity rather than on
behalf of his firm or the Royal Family.

A note of that meeting was produced (Operation Paget Exhibit VM/2). It details the
then Commissioner’s view that the facts so far ascertained showed her death was the
result of a tragic set of circumstances. The note concluded that if it ever appeared
there were some suspicious factors to the crash in Paris, the Commissioner would
make contact at a confidential level with Lord Mishcon or his firm. Lord Mishcon
agreed with this course of action.


Page 97

Lord Paul CONDON
Former Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Service.

Interviewed by Operation Paget -Statement 232

Lord Condon recalled the meeting with Lord Mishcon and the note produced by him.
He stated that it was agreed by all present that the facts of the incident in which the
Princess of Wales died, as known at that time, indicated that it was a tragic accident. It
was also agreed that if at any time that situation changed and the circumstances of her
death were to be regarded as suspicious, the note and the Princess of Wales’ concerns
would be revisited. The Commissioner asked Assistant Commissioner David Veness
to monitor the situation on his behalf.

Lord Condon stated that his belief at the time of the meeting was that the car crash in
Paris was a tragic accident and since that meeting nothing had been brought to his
attention that would alter that view. Whilst Commissioner he would have sought a
further meeting with Lord Mishcon had there been cause to do so. There was no cause
to do so.

Lord Condon was shown a copy of the ‘Daily Mirror’ newspaper article dated 20
October 2003, that referred to a note released by Paul Burrell in which the Princess of
Wales expressed concerns for her safety. Lord Condon was not aware of that note
before its publication in the newspaper in 2003.

Sir David VENESS
Former Assistant Commissioner, Metropolitan Police Service.

Interviewed by Operation Paget - Statement 227

Sir David recalled the meeting with Lord Mishcon in September 1997 to discuss the
note written two years previously. Lord Mishcon wanted to bring the content of the
note to the attention of the Commissioner of Police. It was agreed that if the note
became relevant then Lord Mishcon or his firm must be consulted before any
disclosure took place.

Sir David stated there were ‘two blocks on using the document’. Firstly, there must be
some relevant suspicion concerning the death and secondly, authority must be sought
from Lord Mishcon or his firm before disclosure. In his view these conditions never
arose.

However, when on 20 October 2003, the ‘Daily Mirror’ newspaper published the
story about the letter/note in the possession of Paul Burrell, Sir David Veness and the
Commissioner of the time, Sir John Stevens, reviewed the Lord Mishcon note. As a
result of this review and after seeking the view of Lord Mishcon, it was agreed that
the Coroner should be informed of the existence and substance of the Lord Mishcon
note. Further, enquiries should be made with Patrick Jephson who was also present
during the meeting of Lord Mishcon and the Princess of Wales in 1995.



Page 98


Sir David’s first knowledge of the Paul Burrell letter/note was when it was published
in the ‘Daily Mirror’ newspaper on 20 October 2003. He was not aware that Paul
Burrell was in possession of the letter/note and not aware of anyone else who knew
about his possession of it. If he had known about the contents of the letter/note before
then, Sir David stated he may have instructed that Paul Burrell should be seen about
it.

Patrick JEPHSON
Private Secretary to the Princess of Wales from 1990 until his resignation in
January 1996.

Interviewed by Operation Paget -Statement 23

In relation to the meeting in October 1995 between the Princess of Wales and Lord
Mishcon, Patrick Jephson assumed that Lord Mishcon's responsibility was primarily
that of a solicitor to his client and that he was therefore obliged to take what the
Princess of Wales said at face value, whatever misgivings he might have had
privately.

In the circumstances, Patrick Jephson thought it highly unlikely that the concerns of
the Princess of Wales were well-founded. He was however anxious not to dismiss
these claims outright. She had made similar claims to him in the recent past without
any evidence being found. Nevertheless, he knew that an open expression of disbelief
might discourage her from sharing similar fears in future. He felt it best to try to elicit
the source of her information in order to decide what credence it deserved.

However, in the time available, he was not able to establish the source with any
certainty and even wondered if one existed at all. Knowing her as he did, he was
fairly confident that her behaviour was not that of someone who actually feared for
her life.

[b][Paget Note: Following the taking of this statement from Patrick Jephson in December
2003 the Coroner, Michael Burgess, was informed of the Lord Mishcon note.][/b]



Page 99 [/quote]


Sorry it's so long, but you can see what's been going on, can't you?

Lord Mishcon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Mishcon,_Baron_Mishcon

I have some personal knowledge here.

Mishcon de Reya were legal advisors to Anglia Television.

I never knew Lord Mishcon, but I picked up plenty of vibes from people I respected.

Lord Mishcon was greatly admired.
And he never lost his working class roots.

I noted his passing here
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=1993&highlight=mishcon


So, given you now know what sort of man he was, can you see what has been going on all these years?

Here's a little more help.

They waited for less than one week once Victor Mishcon died.


[quote]The modified limited hangout will be that al Fayed was more or less correct. This is infinitely preferable to the Windsors than having the true reason come out.

That it was necessary to eliminate her in order to allow the Prince of Wales to re-marry.

[quote]Quote:

The Diana Files
New reports suggest crash inquiry may have surprising revelations
By Francis Elliott, Sophie Goodchild and John Lichfield
Published: 05 February 2006
Lord Stevens, the man in charge of the inquiry into the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, is infuriatingly discreet about his investigation.

So it came as a considerable surprise when, in a television interview last week, he hinted strongly that it was reaching a sensational conclusion.

He said the case was "far more complex" than originally had been thought and that Mohamed al-Fayed had been "right" to raise the issues he had in relation to the deaths of Diana and his son Dodi.

Until now it seemed almost certain that his inquiry would largely agree with the French version of their fatal crash in a dreary Paris underpass in the early minutes of 31 August 1997.

The official account concludes that the driver, Henri Paul, the head of security at the Fayed-owned Ritz, had been drunk and on anti-depressants at the time, and that the car, a Mercedes, was likely to be the only vehicle involved. This has never been accepted by either the families of Dodi or Paul - or, indeed, the band of conspiracy theorists Diana's death has attracted.

Now it would seem the Harrods boss, Mr Fayed, who has spent many millions of pounds funding his own investigations, stands on threshold of a vindication of sorts.

The Independent on Sunday has established that Lord Stevens' remarks were a deliberate attempt to prepare public opinion for some shocking conclusions. "People are going to be very surprised about what we have to say," said one senior officer closely involved with the inquiry. But what, among the blizzard of outlandish speculation, could Lord Stevens have found that has led him to upset the establishment version?[/quote][/quote]
continues..

If you are serious about knowing the truth, read the full thread

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=1998&highlight=diana+modified[i]

12/25/2006 07:58:00 PM  
Anonymous spore release date said...

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12/27/2006 01:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Another Bill Hicks fan said...

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12/27/2006 05:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Appendix B:

Merovingians from the Pyrenees, Part Four? Who knows, though let's see:

Simon Bolivar, aristocrat from the Pyrenees... where have we heard that story of major political leaders, kings and whatnot, being Pyrenees aristocrats and kings?

Currently, in Europe, most of 'what is left in royality' is from the Pyrenees, just another one of those strange coincidences:

1. the house of Sweden (adopted name "Bernadotte") was originally from the Pyrenees;

2. as well as Henry IV of France (Bourbons, from Navarre in the Pyrenees, still in existence as "Andorra", one of Europe's few microstates still allowed to exist, and the President of France lives in the Merovingian line palace (see above), and is still "Co-Prince" of Andorra (Navarre area).


3. the King of Spain as well, Juan Carlos, saved by Franco against left communist and German-Nazi right wing revolutionaries. Franco saved the Bourbon line's durable attachment to Spain, which leaves us with Juan Carlos I, King of Spain (baptized as Juan Alfonso Carlos Víctor María de Borbón y Borbón-Dos Sicilias). He was born on January 5, 1938 in Rome and is the reigning King of Spain (Rey de España). Juan Carlos' titles include that of King of Jerusalem, as successor to the royal family of Naples. He is also a direct descendant of Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom through his grandmother, Victoria Eugenie; of Louis XIV of France through the House of Bourbon; of the [Hapsburg] Emperor Charles V, who belonged to the Habsburg dynasty of the Holy Roman Empire; of the House of Savoy of Italy which coveted the Shroud of Turin privately for generations as its especial preserve; etc. His name, when rarely anglicized, is rendered as John Alphonse Charles Victor Maria of Bourbon (and Bourbon-Two Sicilies). He was given these names after his father (Juan de Borbon), grandfather (Alfonso XIII) and maternal grandfather (Prince Carlos of Bourbon-Two Sicilies).

4. our main topic, Simon Bolivar, his family from the Pyrenees as well. Just another coincidence I’m sure to have four major Pyrenees king or high level revolutionary lines all from this little area.

However, his direct line failed to pan out because his wife died, though HIS RELATIVES over 150 years later still powerful in Venezuela. I close with a bit about them to bring up to date the Bolivar family in South American politics.

First, Bolivar himself though:

Simón José Antonio de la Santísima Trinidad Bolívar y Palacios (born July 24, 1783 in Caracas, Venezuela; died December 17, 1830, in Santa Marta, Colombia) was a leader of several British backed independence movements against the Spanish Empire throughout South America, collectively known as Bolívar's War. It was a war against the (branch Merovingian-lined) Napoleonic French empire which had taken Spain first, with Napoleon appointing his relatives to the kingdoms of Spain and the Spanish Empire's territories.

During this period, Bolivar, working with the English geopolitically, arranged for 'revolutionary coups' against the Napoleonic Empire's subsuming of the Spanish Empire.

He wanted a consolidated South America exactly like the previous North American Revolution of the 1770s-1780s—though increasingly wanted it under himself, formally appointing all future Presidents from his line of choices. That is what he wanted—a virtual presidentialist monarchy over all of South America though since that failed to happen, the fact that that was really what he wanted seems to have slipped under the historical rug…and he is remembered as a ‘nation founder hero’ when if Bolivar had really had his way none of the nation’s he is accorded to have ‘founded’ he would have wanted to exist at all. Ah, the marvels of status quo historiography to candy coat Bolivar.

Actually, since no one really wanted what Bolivar wanted, his presidentialist monarchy failed due to widespread dissention, and unfortunately probably contributed toward the reactionary caudillios out of Bolivar’s extreme insisence on being a presidential monarchist, or a dictator—which he attempted to be for several years between 1828-1830. Bolivar may have contributed toward Spanish Empire dissolution in South America, though his extreme desire to implant himself in a virtual dictatorship over the whole continent—where he would formally appoint his successor without an election—contributed to the reactionary environment and geopolitical isolationism of most of South American later nationalist histories—which only set them up for future neocolonialisms from outside once more. Bolivar: “liberator” who contributed to South American geopolitical neocolonialism out of his insistence to be dictator afterwards in his insistence (he even walked out of the Constitutional convention over it!). He thus snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, when people began to see exactly what might have been his ulterior motive: establishing a lineage based constitutional monarchy of South America, under King Bolivar—a long while ago, from the Pyrenees—same area of many other powerful bloodlines in royal European history.

Nationalist revolutionary era historians are kinder to him, because his name gets all wrapped up in the nationalist revolutionary foundation of state myths of states that ironically he would have preferred ceased to exist. However the Bolivars, like many of these lines which I am presuming with further research might add more detail, they are aristocratic yet ecumenical, religious yet potentially heretic, exoterically active for freedom, yet potentially esoterically motivated for domination...in short, truly revolutionary and reformation oriented yet with a bloodline sense that they “have to rule”.

Let’s go back about 190 years, to South America, before Bolivar’s myths developed:


Bolivar is credited with leading the fight for independence in what are now the smaller countries of Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Panama and Bolivia, in his failed attempt to found "Gran Columbia" Gran Columbia was his goal, which failed, although Greater Colombia (Gran Colombia in Spanish) is a name used today for the Republic of Colombia of the period 1819-1831. This short-lived republic in South America encompassed the territories of present-day Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador and Panama, as well as smaller parts of southern Costa Rica, Peru, northern Brazil and Guyana.

Its vast territory corresponded more or less to a takeover and consolidation of three separate Spanish Empire jurisdictions: the Viceroyalty of New Granada, the Captaincy General of Venezuela and the Royal Audience of Quito.

Let's look at the history of these three places firstly:

1.

The Viceroyalty of New Granada (Spanish: Virreinato de la Nueva Granada) was the name given in 1717 to a Spanish colonial jurisdiction in northern South America, corresponding mainly to modern Colombia. Before the 19th century independence struggles, the Viceroyalty of New Granada existed as a political and administrative entity which also extended to include oversight over local authorities in Costa Rica, Ecuador, Guyana, Panama, Trinidad and Tobago, and Venezuela, as well as small parts of Brazil, Central America, Peru and the Guianas. The name New Granada is still used as an alternative to Colombia by some of its neighbors.

New "Granada"

The territories of the Viceroyalty gained full de facto independence from Spain between 1819 and 1822 after a series of military and political struggles, uniting as part of a federation known as Greater Colombia.

When Ecuador and Venezuela became separate states during the dissolution of Greater Colombia, a "Republic of New Granada" centered around the capital of Bogotá lasted from 1831 to 1856, and "New Granada" was a usage that later survived in conservative circles, such as among ecclesiastics. Today, some people in Colombia's neighboring countries sometimes still refer to Colombians as neogranadinos ("new-granadians").

Granada is of course a city and the capital of the province of Granada, in the autonomous region of Andalusia, in far southern Spain. It is situated at the foot of the Sierra Nevada mountains. The Alhambra, a Moorish citadel and palace, is in Granada. It is one of the most famous cultural areas and long term influence of the merged Muslim, Jewish, and Christian historical legacy of the Templar ideals. The fall of the Moors is one of the more significant events in Granada's history. The Alhambra decree of the Christian Monarchs forced the predominantly Muslim population to convert to Roman Catholicism or face death. Those who managed to survive the Inquisition fled to their ancestral lands in North Africa, or if they were Jewish became “conversos” (pretended Jewish converts, and many of these fanned out across the Spanish Empire in the New World). As for Muslims however, more difficult to culturally hide in Al-Andalus, Arabic lost its place in everyday life and was replaced by Castilian. The mosques, some themselves on sites of former Christian churches, were (re)converted to Christian uses in the Western Mediterranean of Spain at the same moment the opposite was happening in Asia Minor: Byzantium’s Christian Hagia Sofia there being converted to an Islamic mosque other side of the Mediterranean. In Grenada, part of the predominantly Muslim population was gradually converted to Roman Catholicism and remaining Muslims were eventually expelled to surrounding rural areas, leading to the Revolt of the Alpujarras in 1568. Jews were immediately expelled (or became false convert “conversos” following the Alhambra decree of 1492. The fall of Granada holds an important place among the many significant events that mark the latter half of the 15th century. It ended the eight hundred year-long Islamic presence in the Iberian Peninsula.

During the American revolutionary period, the head administrator for New Granada was a Knight of Malta, Pedro Messía de la Cerda, Sixth Viceroy of New Granada (1761 - 1773). He even had himself painted in his Knight of Malta cross, which of course is the same eight pointed cross as the Templars. Strangely, Pedro Messía shows himself in the Templar colors: red and white, instead of black and white (Maltese version/Hospitalliers habit’s colors).

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Another part of Gran Columbia, was in the territorial area of later Venezuela, then under the jurisdiction of the Viceroyalty of New Granada (created in 1717). The Province was then transformed into the Captaincy General of Venezuela in 1777. The Compañía Guipuzcoana de Caracas held a close monopoly on trade with Europe. The Bolivar family was wealthy from gold and copper mines from the 1630s, and in this area.

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The last area of Gran Columbia temporarily militarily conquered by Bolivar was the current area of the west coast of South America, Ecuador--then part of the Viceroyalty of Peru, ruled from Lima from 1544 until 1720 when it joined the newly created Viceroyalty of Nueva Granada ruled from Bogotá. In 1563, however, Quito became a Royal Audience of Spain, the Quito Audiencia, thus permitting it to deal directly with Madrid on certain matters instead of going through the Viceroyalty in Lima. The name Quito Audencia is misleading because it gives one the idea that the territory under the jurisdiction of Quito was comparable to the limits of the city of Quito today. In truth, the territory of the Quito Audencia greatly exceeded that of present-day Ecuador, encompassing the north of present-day Peru, the city of Cali in the south of present-day Colombia, and much of the Amazon River Basin east of present-day Ecuador.



Bolivar is revered as a hero in these countries and throughout much of the rest of Hispanic America, as sort of a "George Washington of a failed South American Republic," so to speak, though his monarchist leanings for himself are typically buried. Let’s excavate his geopolitical context and background. First I think Miranda should be mentioned, because where there was Bolivar, there was Miranda, who is the more interesting 'aristocratic revolutionary’—particularly for his clear British connections during the British-French Napoleonic Wars, British connections that seem to have let his friend Bolivar get sponsored by the Brits as well.

Sebastián Francisco de Miranda y Rodríguez (commonly known as Francisco de Miranda March 28, 1750 – July 14, 1816) was a Venezuelan revolutionary whose own plan for the independence of the Spanish American colonies failed, but who is regarded as a forerunner of Simón Bolívar and one of the most effective American fighters for independence. Born and raised in Caracas, Miranda was actually the son of a wealthy merchant from the Canary Islands. Though a "region of Spain," the Canary Islands have been another parapolitical bastion due to their being very isolated from European Spanish Inquisition contexts, and thus having a more religious esoteric orientation, particularly when Columbus stayed for a while with other families there intermarried into the Stuarts---like the Drummonds.

In the American Revolutionary War, Miranda even commanded Spanish troops aiding American insurgents in Florida and Mississippi, when Spain was backing to help pull the British North American colonies away from the British Empire. (Britain would be doing the same within 30 years and through 1898 against the Spanish Empire).

While in the United States, Miranda met with, among others, George Washington, Thomas Paine, Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson. The Canary Islander-by-way-of-Caracas native had a home in London where he married a British lady and had two children. There is even a statue of Francisco de Miranda in Fitzroy Street, London.

From 1791, Miranda took active part in the British sided bits of the French Revolution (see above), in the Girondist "less activist Illuminati" wing of that revolution. In Paris, he befriended the Girondists Jacques Pierre Brissot (later ousted by more activist radicalized Robespierre) and Jérôme Pétion de Villeneuve, and briefly served as a general in the section of the French Revolutionary Army commanded by Charles François Dumouriez, fighting in the 1792 campaign in the Low Countries.

Miranda was arrested several times during the harsher Robespierre Illuminati period of the French Revolution (see above) called the Reign of Terror, during which Miranda was threatened with deportation after the new crackdown of the Directory on both Royalists and Girondists (the latter, once allied with the Robespierre Jacobins actually).

However, strangely when the ‘third stage’ of the French Revolution rolled back ground, with the aristocratic Merovingian aligned revolutionaries getting back in, via Napoleon and his strategic marriages, Miranda was oddly 'rehabilitated,' and Miranda's name remains engraved on the Arc de Triomphe built during the Napoleonic First Empire. I would have to learn more about Miranda to understand that strange dynamic, though he was allied with the British Illuminized groups of the French Revolution, he seems to have been connected to Napoleonic sided groups as well. Miranda perhaps was useful: he had made friends with many important leaders and political figures throughout Europe, such as British Prime Minister William Pitt the Younger.

With Miranda set up on stage, back to Bolivar:

In 1802, Bolivar married María Teresa Rodríguez del Toro y Alaysa. When she died of yellow fever less than a year later, he never remarried, and never had children.

It would be interesting to find out who she was exactly, because immediately after his marriage he starts having revolutionary backers after this marriage, and is accepted as a main military leader of it the moment he gets back in Venezuela in 1807.

This may be getting ahead of the story...though perhaps only laterally, where “laterally” means a globalized conflict that is connected to what came before as it kept being spun out of European conflicts: the whole Stuart vs. Hanover aligned groups turned into a globalized battle for centuries—becoming them the whole Masonic exiled “original Masonic” Stuart/French Bourbon crown vs. “adopted Masonic” Hanover/Prussian/English/Swiss royal intercompetition which aligned with Illuminized Masonry. Both sides of this contention influenced the American Revolution, then the French Revolution, and then only expanded overseas and took over the geopolitical dynamics of the South American revolutions as well.

By the time the cascade of reactions get to South America, the British worked with Spanish revolutionaries against the French/Spanish merged Napoleonic empire--the same dynamic of the British/Illuminists/Masonic working against the French aristocrats and Bourbon/Stuart/Catholic Masonic aligned groups in continental Europe as well. The dynamics of dynastic rivalry expanded into 'split Masonic secret networks' on each sides, into expansion of their use by more 'peasant ideas’ of throwing off royals groups entirely, messily merged in the geopolitically driven American Revolution, then the French Revolution, and with Napoleonic expansion out of the latter, that cascaded geopolitically into wider and wider international war pulling in South American revolutions. For North America, there were pro French revolutionaries and pro Stuart revolutionaries and anti-Hanoverian/British; and then later the South American revolutions later in time, during French-Spanish Empire expansion, so British this time aiding revolutionaries themselves once more, against French-Spanish Napoleonic Empire). What a freaking mess.

The spark that led to Bolivar actions (with British backing) was Joseph Napoleon Bonaparte, King of Naples, being appointed King of Spain (January 7, 1768 – July 28, 1844) by his younger brother Napoleon. The Napoleonic French Empire was beginning to dominate the European continent as well as subsuming the Spanish Empire and wedding it with the French Empire. Napoleon made a deal with the Russian Czar as well, to stop supplying hemp to the British Navy. However, the British and the American shippers were making lucrative deals attempting to smuggle hemp to Britain for the continuation of the maintenance of the whole British Navy. To stop this hemp smuggling was one of the main reasons Napoleon attempted to conquer a recalcitrant Russia and failed: he wanted to stop that shipping of hemp and British-American trade infrastructure that the Russian Czar was hardly inclined to stop, despite having an alliance with Napoleon to stop it. See what I mean by the whole thing cascading wider and wider?

Joseph Napoleon was the older brother of French Emperor Napoleon I, who made him earlier the king of Naples (1806–1808) and later appointed him king of Spain. Britain got afraid more than ever, and then saught to pull this Spainish-French-Napoleonic Empire apart by priming revolutionaries in South America, even though the British were fighting against such democratic revolutionaries just two decades before, they were sort of forced into doing it to destabilized an empire competitior. That’s always the way its been with Britain: it supports destabalization instead of ‘democracy’ in a way to divide and conquer other groups with more territorial consolidated continental ambition, preferring to rule from the seas, and keep territories divided up, instead of allowing consolidated land empires develop.

Joseph Bonaparte was nominally king of Spain from July 6, 1808 to December 11, 1813, but from June 13, 1812 he was back in France. This Bonaparte was born Giuseppe Napoleone Buonaparte to Carlo Buonaparte and Letizia Ramolino at Corte in Corsica. As a lawyer, politician, and diplomat, he served in the Cinq-Cents and was the French ambassador to Rome. He married Julie Clary on August 1, 1794 in Cuges-les-Pins, France. (Another one of those 'coincidence' things I'm sure--Swedish crown of Bernadotte married a Clary as well)...

The Bonaparte-Clary couple later had two children, Zénaïde and Charlotte. (Actually that's wrong--there were three children, one, Julie, died young):

* Julie Joséphine Bonaparte (1796-1796)
* Zénaïde Laetitia Julie Bonaparte (1801-1854) More annoyingly plain inbreeding in these lines: She joined her father in his New Jersey exile for several years, and was married to her cousin Charles Lucien Bonaparte, an ornithologist (who named the Zenaida Doves after her). They had 12 children, including Lucien Cardinal Bonaparte.
* Charlotte Napoléone Bonaparte (1802-1839). Charlotte died while trying to give birth to her only child, whose father was Count Potocki.

Count Potocki is a strange story, better left to Wikipedia. It raises some interesting Jewish lineage issues however within the Napoleonic groups. Napoleon after all was the first to reformulate the Great Sanhedrin.

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The history of Abraham ben Abraham, also known as Count Valentine (Valentin, Walentyn) Potocki (Pototzki or Pototski) is a controversial subject. According to Jewish traditions he is regarded as someone known even to the revered Jewish Talmudic sage, the Vilna Gaon (Rabbi Elijah (Eliyahu) Ben Solomon Kremer (1720-1797)). However historians have questioned the factual accuracy of this story because no other corroborating evidence of Potocki's existence has yet been discovered.

Kraszewski relates that young Potocki and his friend Zaremba, who went from Poland to study in Paris, became interested in an old Jew whom they found poring over a large volume when they entered his wine-shop. His teachings and explanations of the Old Testament, to which they, as Roman Catholics, were total strangers. He so impressed them that they prevailed upon him to instruct them in Hebrew.

In six months they acquired proficiency in the Biblical language and a strong inclination toward Judaism. They resolved to go to Amsterdam, which was one of the few places in Europe at that time where a Christian could openly embrace Judaism. But Potocki first went to Rome, whence, after convincing himself that he could no longer remain a Catholic, he went to Amsterdam and took upon himself the covenant of Abraham, assuming the name of Abraham ben Abraham.

Elijah Ben Solomon, the Vilna Gaon (1720-1797) was a mentor to Abraham ben Abraham

After residing a short time in Germany, a country he disliked, he returned to Poland, and for a time lived among the Jews of the town of Ilye (government of Wilna), some of whom seemed to be aware of his identity. While in the synagogue of Ilye one day he was irritated into commenting severely upon the conduct of a boy who was disturbing those occupied in prayer and study. The boy's father was so enraged that he informed the authorities that the long-sought Ger Tzedek was in Ilye. Potocki was arrested; the entreaties of his mother and friends failed to induce him to return to Christianity; and after a long imprisonment and a trial for heresy he was burned alive in Wilna, on the second day of Shavuot. It was unsafe for a Jew to witness the burning; nevertheless one Jew, Leiser Zhiskes, who had no beard, went among the crowd and succeeded by bribery in securing some of the ashes of the martyr, which were later buried in the Jewish cemetery.

A letter of pardon from the king arrived too late to save the victim.

Potocki's comrade Zaremba returned to Poland several years before him, married the daughter of a great nobleman, and had a son. He remained true to the promise to embrace Judaism and took his wife and child to Amsterdam, where, after he and his son had been circumcised, his wife also converted to Judaism; they then went to Palestine (Eretz Yisrael).

There is reason to believe that the actual teacher of Potocki, perhaps the one who induced the two young noblemen to embrace Judaism, was their own countryman Menahem Man ben Aryeh Löb of Visun, who was tortured and executed in Wilna at the age of seventy (July 3, 1749). Tradition has brought this Jewish martyr into close connection with the Ger Tzedek, but fear of the censor has prevented writers in Russia from saying anything explicit on the subject.

Historical evidence

Numerous secondary sources - encyclopedias of Jewish history, religion and culture - include an entry on Potocki, a Polish magnate and member of the Potocki family, who converted to Orthodox Judaism in 18th century Netherlands. After his return to Wilno, he was tried by an Inquisition court which sentenced him to burning at the stake. This episode, which originated at the turn of the eighteenth century, was published in a Jewish periodical issued in London as "The Jewish Expositor and Friend of Israel" (vol. 8, 1822). Some allege that a literary form of it was created by Józef Ignacy Kraszewski, the renowned author of numerous historical novels, who included the story about Potocki in the third volume of the history of Wilno (1841), Wilno od początków jego do roku 1750 (1840-1842), in which he claims to have followed a Hebrew original from 1766 (Hurwitz, Ammude bet Yehudah, Amsterdam). It was then popularised through Russian translations, and there is evidence that a cult of Potocki's grave in Wilno has existed until the Jewish graveyard (at Pioromont also known as Snipiszki quarter) was destroyed by Nazis during World War II and later by the Soviets. Some sources claim his remains were rescued along with those of Vilna Gaon, though there is no modern monument or grave clearly identified as Potocki's in Wilno.

Polish and Lithuanian historians who have studied the story of Potocki believe it to be invented, although it is unknown when or by whom (some point to Kraszewski himself, who is known to have invented some tales he claimed were true). They state that the tragic fate of Potocki, passed through Jewish oral tradition, remains unconfirmed by eighteenth–century Polish or Jewish primary sources, that the book claimed as a source by Kraszewski does not exist in any known library, and that there is no evidence in any archives or genealogy tree that Potocki existed. The book claimed as a source, however, does exist. It is available now in reprint and also mentions another church burning of a seventy year old Rabbi named Menachem Mann, killed a few months after the earlier incident. Dr. Sidney Leiman, professor at Brooklyn College owns a copy, as do several other people. They also note that Polish szlachta was guaranteed the freedom of faith (by acts like Neminem captivabimus and the Warsaw Confederation), and capital punishment was extremely rare. They argue that the described fate should have caused an uproar among szlachta (consider, for example, the case of Samuel Zborowski), and would be the only historical example of execution by burning of szlachta member - yet no contemporary source from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth mentions this event in even a passing reference.

In addition, they find it difficult to believe that the death at the stake of a Polish aristocrat, from one of the most powerful Polish magnate families, charged with a religious crime, was not echoed in any of the diaries or polemical writings concerning religion and tolerance, topics in which the szlachta, and the entire European Enlightenment were particularly interested.

Polish historian Janusz Tazbir has concluded that "the court trial and death of Walentyn Potocki should be recognised as an historical legend deprived of all source–material foundations".

Jewish tradition

There are several versions of this story, especially among the Jews of Lithuania, Poland and Russia, who know and still refer to Potocki as the Ger Tzedek ("righteous proselyte") of Vilna. Virtually all Jewish sources agree that he was a Polish nobleman, who converted to Orthodox Judaism and was burned at the stake by the Roman Catholic Church at Wilno (Vilna/Vilnius) on May 24, 1749 (7 Sivan 5509) because he had renounced Catholicism and had become an observant Jew.

Multiple oral histories, backed up by several 19th century and later printed versions of the story, from many Jewish communities over the past two hundred and fifty years, serve as evidence of Potocki's existence and story.

Response to criticism

As to why there are few full sources, the Jewish view is reflected as in the views published on the Shema Yisrael Torah Network:

There are a few reasons why there are so few contemporary sources about the ger tzedek story. It can be assumed that the noble Pototzki family, which was a religious Polish- Catholic family, was not happy that one of their sons defected to Judaism.

The Pototzki family was said to have generally dealt kindly with the Jews living on its lands.

Mentioning the conversion would have been interpreted as an open provocation of the area's ruler, which would have not resulted in any good. In addition, undoubtedly the conversion of one of the upper- class gentiles aroused great interest among the populace, and his refusal to return to their faith caused them great embarrassment...Nevertheless, we believe the words of our rabbonim, which clearly indicate that there was a connection between the Gra (i.e. the Vilna Gaon) and the Ger Tzedek. [1]

A question that is debated internally is: Did the Vilna Gaon himself visit the Ger Tzedek in prison?:

In the sefer ("book"), Ruach Eliyohu, Rav Eliyohu Moshe Bloch relates that he heard from HaRav Aharon Kotler that the Chofetz Chaim told him that the Gra (Vilna Gaon) sent a message to the Ger Tzedek that "he is prepared to save him through a mofes ("miracle"), and he answered that he doesn't want that." In the sefer, The Life and Deeds of the Chofetz Chaim, the author relates this very story in the name of HaRav Tzvi Hirsch Levinson, the Chofetz Chaim's son-in-law -- that the Vilna Gaon sent a message -- implying that he did not meet him personally. The same is written in Shimusha shel Torah. The only one who wrote that the Vilna Gaon did meet the Ger Tzedek in prison was Reb Chaikel Lunski in his aforementioned article, but he was careful with his words and prefaced the incident with, "The story goes." It seems that there is no reliable source for this detail. The fact that the Gra was buried in the same ohel as the Ger Tzedek also proves that they did have ties with each other. As far as is known, the story of the Ger Tzedek is not mentioned in the seforim ("Books") of the Gra's disciples. Perhaps there is a hint in the sefer Toldos Odom, which says that Reb Zalman once mentioned the words of the gemora in Brochos: When they took Rabbi Akiva out to be killed, it was time for krias Shema. They raked his skin with iron combs and in spite of everything, he accepted upon himself the yoke of Heaven with love and happiness and was not affected by his body's suffering. And he concluded with the following, "In this golus as well, Yisroel does not lack chachomim ("wise men") who suffered tortures more bitter than death, with happiness and joy like one going out with a flute to celebrate a holiday." The Ger Tzedek, Reb Avrohom ben Avrohom was burned al kiddush Hashem on the second day of Shavuos 5509 (1749). Until the Holocaust, all the batei knesses of Vilna commemorated his yahrtzeit...In 5712 (1952), the Russian government destroyed the ancient cemetery of Vilna. Only seven graves were moved to the new cemetery, including the Gra's and the Ger Tzedek's. A monument stands at the site of the old cemetery containing the following words in Yiddish: "Here were buried in the dust / Gedolei Yisroel / Including: / The Vilna Gaon -- / Eliyohu bar Shlomo Kramer / The Ger Tzedek -- / Graf Valentine Pototzki. Reb Chaikel Lunski Hy'd related that anyone who was in pain or suffering used to come to pour out his heart at the kever, to ask him to be a meilitz yosher for the nation for whose belief he sacrificed his life. [2]

Historical background

See related articles: Sect of Skhariya the Jew and Christianity and anti-Semitism.

Research by certain scholars has revealed the depth of the struggle between Judaism and Christianity for the hearts and minds of the local non-Jewish population over many centuries in Russia, Poland, and Lithuania. For example, Jacob S. Raisin in The Haskalah Movement in Russia (Jewish Publication Society, 1913) states that:

The "heresy" (of Judaism) spread over many parts of the empire, and the number of its adherents constantly grew. Archbishop Nikk complains that in the very monastery of Moscow there were presumably converted Jews, "who had again begun to practice their old Jewish religion and demoralize the young monks." In Poland, too, proselytism was of frequent occurrence, especially in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. The religious tolerance of Casimir IV (1434-1502) and his immediate successors, and the new doctrines preached by Huss and Luther, which permeated the upper classes of society, rendered the Poles more liberal on the one hand, and on the other the Jews more assertive. We hear of a certain nobleman, George Morschtyn, who married a Jewess, Magdalen, and had his daughter raised in the religion of her mother. In fact, at a time when Jews in Spain assumed the mask of Christianity to escape persecution, Russian and Polish Christians by birth could choose, with little fear of danger, to lead the Jewish life. It was not till about the eighteenth century that the Government began to resort to the usual methods of eradicating heresy. Katharina Weigel, a lady famous for her beauty, who embraced Judaism, was decapitated in Cracow at the instigation of Bishop Peter Gamrat. On the deposition of his wife, Captain Vosnitzin of the Polish navy was put to death by auto-da-fé (July 15, 1738). The eminent "Ger Zedek," Count Valentine Pototzki, less fortunate than his comrade and fellow-convert Zaremba, was burnt at the stake in Vilna (May 24, 1749), and his teacher in the Jewish doctrines, Menahem Mann, was tortured and executed a few months later, at the age of seventy. But these measures proved of little avail. According to Martin Bielski, the noted historian, Jews saved their proselytes from the impending doom by transporting them to Turkey. Many of them sought refuge in Amsterdam. For those who remained behind their new coreligionists provided through collections made for that purpose in Russia and in Germany. (See more from this page at the Ebookversion [3])

Note

Because Gerim (Jewish converts) often feel a close Identity with Avraham, seen by many as the first convert, it is a common choice of name at conversion. As all converts are considered the children of Avraham, any such convert would become Avraham ben Avraham. There are several semi-famous converts with the same name, including one from Japan and one from Germany.

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So the Bonaparte-Clary lines get all tied up in strange Jewish convert story or were breeding/kissing cousins who had 12 children and went to New Jersey (like the Du Ponts went to Delaware. Du Ponts de Nemours a whole separate fascinating lineage esoteric high weirdness story...).

Meanwhile, Bernadotte-Clary lines are still on the throne in Sweden--and that is additionally the line that Napoleon as well almost married: Desideria, Queen of Sweden and Norway (Bernhardine Eugenie Désirée Bernadotte, née Clary) (November 8, 1777 – December 17, 1860) was the wife of King Charles XIV of Sweden and a one-time fiancée of Napoleon Bonaparte. Instead the Napoleon brothers married the double ones around Rose Josephine de Tascher and her sister, instead of the Clary sisters.

In 1806, Bonaparte was given military command of Naples, and shortly afterward was made king by Napoleon. He became King of Spain two years later after his sister's husband, Joachim Murat, was made king of Naples once he became King of Spain and left that position.

That's what was going on in Bolivar's revolutionary life--however, his family (in the future area of "Gran Columbia") was very wealthy and already very 'established' before his strange British intelligence missions to England between his marriage and 1807 when he returns to Venezuelan areas.

Bolivar of the Pyrenees: Family heritage and early life

The Bolívar aristocratic bloodline derives from a small village in the Basque Country, called Bolibar, which is the origin of the surname[1]. The Bolivars from the Pyrenees were early escapees from Europe—they settled in (what was to become the state of) Venezuela, in the sixteenth century.

A portion of their wealth came from the Aroa River gold and copper mines in present day Venezuela. In 1632, gold was first mined, leading to further discoveries of extensive copper deposits. Towards the later 1600s, copper was exploited with the name "Cobre Caracas".

These mines became the property of Simón Bolívar's family.

Later in his revolutionary life, Bolívar used part of the mineral income to finance the South American revolutionary wars against Napoleonic France takeovers of the Spanish Empire, with British aid.

Some contend however that his family was already prominent somehow before gaining great wealth: for example, the Cathedral of Caracas, founded in 1575, before they were even wealthy (by the 1630s only), strangely has a side chapel dedicated to Simón Bolívar's family fifty to sixty years beforehand. Interesting. Impoverished aristocrats from the Pyrenees having the power to have side chapels established for them in the Spanish colonial possessions at Caracas in the 1570s.

Back to the 1800s, four years after his marriage, Bolívar returned to Venezuela in 1807, and, when Napoleon made Joseph Bonaparte King of Spain and its colonies in 1808, he participated in the resistance juntas in South Americas--with other close relatives like Cristóbal Hurtado de Mendoza, future first President of Venezuela.

The 'Caracas junta' declared its independence in 1810, and Bolívar was the one chosen to be sent to Britain on a diplomatic mission.

Why Bolivar? Who knows...

Bolívar returned to Venezuela the next year in 1811. The British-Napoleonic global warfare was still going on worldwide.

Then Miranda made a decision that led to him being broken away from Bolivar.

Miranda was always more of a "writer's revolutionary." His greatest contribution was probably in the textual envisioning side of the independence struggle for the liberation of the colonies in Spanish America. Miranda envisioned an independent empire consisting of all the territories which had been under Spanish and Portuguese rule, stretching from the Mississippi River to Cape Horn. Miranda’s conceived empire would be under the leadership of a hereditary emperor called "Inca" (supposedly to appease the Native Americans, though we shall see it would have appeased Bolivar of the Pyrenees more than anyone) and would have a bicameral legislature. He conceived the name "Colombia" for this empire, after the explorer Christopher Columbus, “Christ(opher) of the Dove.”

With British help, Miranda made an invasion attempt of Venezuela in 1806. Bolivar was not there at this moment. Miranda landed at the port of La Vela de Coro, where the tricolour Venezuelan flag was raised for the first time. Among the volunteers who served under him in this revolt was David G. Burnet of the United States, who would later serve as interim president of the Republic of Texas after its secession from Mexico in 1836. (This is hardly surprising that personnel from a British allied invasion of Venezuelan areas in 1806 have the same people in Texas in 1836: this is because a lot about the breakaway of Spanish Texas was British motivated as well—and twiceover, as British concern to stop the expanding non-colonial revolutionary power of the United States from expanding its influence in North America.)

After Venezuela achieved de facto independence on April 19, 1810, Simón Bolívar persuaded Miranda to return to his native land, where he was made a general in the revolutionary army. When the country formally declared independence on July 5, 1811, he assumed dictatorial powers.

The Spanish forces counterattacked (see Venezuelan War of Independence), and Miranda, fearing a brutal and hopeless defeat, signed an armistice with them in July 1812. Bolivar and other revolutionaries believed or interpreted in anger his surrender was treason and thwarted Miranda's attempt to escape; They handed him over to the Spanish Royal Army. Obviously not a Spanish agent, and doublecrossed by Bolivar, Miranda then died in a prison in Cádiz, Spain, in 1816.

So, by July 1812, junta leader Francisco de Miranda surrendered to the Spanish, and Bolívar fled to Cartagena de Indias.

In this period, Bolívar wrote his Manifiesto de Cartagena.

In 1813, Bolivar strangely is given another chance--after acquiring a military command in New Granada under the direction of the Congress of Tunja.

Tunja is a Colombian historical city founded on August 6th 1539 by the Spaniard captain Gonzalo Suarez Rendon in the domain of "El Zaque", one of the chiefs of the Muiscas tribe. More importantly, a saltpeter factory in Tunja was set up there by the Knight of Malta administrator decades before. This was Pedro Messía de la Cerda, marqués de la Vega de Armijo (February 16, 1700, Córdoba, Spain—1783, Madrid), a Spanish naval officer and colonial official. From 1761 to 1773 he was viceroy of New Granada.

This Knight of Malta administrator additionally began the construction of the cathedral of Santa Marta. The first stone was laid on December 8, 1766. (Santa Marta is a city and municipality, located in northwestern Colombia by the Caribbean sea, capital of the Magdalena Department.)

Jumping ahead to make a note about this location that gave Bolivar his "second chance,” he fled there and died there as well in 1830. Simón Bolívar died at a ranch named Quinta de San Pedro Alejandrino on the outskirts of Santa Marta on 17 December 1830.

'Magdalena' is a department of Colombia, located to the north of the country by the Caribbean Sea. Its capital of the Magdalena Department is Santa Marta and was named after the Magdalena River. Why all this treasury of Magdalene names, so key to esoteric Christianity in Europe, and Bolivar's "second chance"? It has to do with another bloodline...

Rodrigo de Bastidas (c. 1460 - July 28, 1527), Spanish conquistador and explorer. Founder of Santa Marta, Rodrigo de Bastidas was a well-to-do notary of the town of Triana, a suburb of Seville. However, what is more interesting is that Rodrigo de Bastidas' ancestral lineage can be traced back to the Kings of Asturias and Leon, the latter a state wholly dominated by the Templars in its foundation, according to Atienza [The Knights Templar in the Golden Age of Spain: Their Hidden History on the Iberian Peninsula, by Juan García Atienza (2006)] He was a direct descendant of Don Rodrigo Diaz de Asturias, the Count of Oviedo and Astuiras and the Lord of Nava, whose daughter, Ximena, married Rodrigo Diaz ("El Cid Campeador") de Vivar. After sailing with Christopher Columbus during his second voyage to the New World about 1494, Bastidas petitioned the Spanish Monarchy to start his own quest to be financed totally with his own money. In exchange for granting Bastidas the right to explore various territories in the New World, the Crown required him to give them 1/4 of the net profits he acquired. The King and Queen issued a charter that is still preserved in the National Archives in Spain. Because of difficulties with the Spanish crown, it was 1525 before he returned to found Santa Marta, and he died only two years later in 1527. Bastidas had a policy of respect, humanity and friendship towards the Indians; he maintained pacifistic relations with his neighbors, the Indians Tagangas, Dorsinos and Gairas, although it is said he had slaves too. He went on a trip to the territories of Bonda and Bondigua in present day Colombia, where he obtained enough gold. Bastidas had prohibited his troops to brutally use the Indians and to rob them of their goods. This dissatisfied his more bloodthirsty followers, for which reason they tried to murder him. Wounded, he fled to Santo Domingo, but bad weather forced him to land in Cuba, where he died. Bastidas is buried at the Cathedral of Santo Domingo.

So, Bolivar fled back there to die at this Magdalene themed area, connected to royal lineaged Leon and Asturias people connected to Columbus’s second voyage, and which later was the very location where Knights of Malta administrators of New Granada decided to start huge cathedrals there, as well as saltpeter production. Deep esoteric religiosity and saltpeter: what could be more European.

More nomenclature:

Santa Marta is set by the Caribbean Sea against the backdrop of the Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta, a mountain named after the city, and as well after the mountains around the original Spanish Granadan mountains, Sierra Nevada.

And from this area, Bolivar, led the invasion of Venezuela on May 14, 1812, which Miranda had surrendered back to the Spanish in July 1812. This was the beginning of the famous Campaña Admirable, the Admirable Campaign. He entered Mérida on May 23, where he was proclaimed as El Libertador (the liberator from the Spanish army), following the occupation of Trujillo on June 9. Six days later, on June 15, he dictated his famous Decree of War to the Death (Decreto de Guerra a Muerte).

Caracas was retaken on August 6, 1813, and Bolívar was ratified as "El Libertador", thus proclaiming the Venezuelan Second Republic (with Miranda's British effort of 1806-1812 being accorded the first).

However, other areas surrendered themselves back to Spain when he left elsewhere, so Bolivar had to retrace his conquests if he wanted to keep them in other places in the north. Due to the rebellion of José Tomás Boves in 1814 and the fall of the republic, he returned to New Granada, where he then commanded a Colombian nationalist force and entered Bogotá in 1814, recapturing the city from the dissenting republican forces of Cundinamarca.

The third setback was that he intended to march into Cartagena and enlist the aid of local forces in order to capture Royalist Santa Marta.

However, after a number of political and military disputes with the government of Cartagena, Bolívar fled in 1815 to Jamaica where he petitioned Haitian leader Alexandre Pétion for aid.

In 1816, with Haitian help given because he promised to free slaves, Bolívar landed in Venezuela once more and captured Angostura (now Ciudad Bolívar).

A Bolivaran victory at the Battle of Boyacá in 1819 added New Granada to the territories out of Spanish control.

This led, in September 7, 1821, to the announcement of Gran Colombia (a federation covering much of modern Venezuela, Colombia, Panama, and Ecuador) with Bolívar as president and Francisco de Paula Santander as vice president.

Santander had received the rank of colonel in 1812. After the Spanish Invasion of New Granada, and a series of defeats led to the exile or retreat of many of New Granada's officers, Santander himself retreated to the eastern plains, near the modern Venezuelan border. Operating from there, Santander was promoted to Brigadier General in 1817 under Simón Bolívar.

By 1819, he was given command of the republican army's vanguard by Simón Bolívar, as the invasion of New Granada was initiated from the New Grenadine-Venezuelan border. Santander was one of the battlefield commanders during the republican victory at the Battle of Boyacá in August 7 of that same year. After the battle, he was promoted to Division General, the equivalent of Major General.

In October 1821, after the constitution of Cúcuta was proclaimed, Santander was elected by the newly gathered Congress as vice president of Gran Colombia, in a heated election, where he overcame another strong candidate for the post, Antonio Nariño, by a 38 to 19 vote margin.

(Antonio Nariño in 1794 translated the "Declaration of the Rights of Man" from its original French, into Spanish. For this he was imprisoned ten years by the Spanish authorities. Nariño had previously worked as a tax collector ("Recaudador de diezmos") and was also accused of fraud resulting from this activity. Nariño was one of the candidates for the presidency of Gran Colombia in 1821 as well, where he lost to Simón Bolívar by the significant margin of 50 to 6 votes in the Congress held at Cúcuta, finishing second. He also lost the election for vicepresident, as Francisco de Paula Santander eventually defeated him by a 38 to 19 vote margin after several heated rounds of voting. Recognized as the commander of the centralist republican forces in New Granada, he fought several battles against the more decentralized federalists organized around the city of Cartagena. Bolivar disliked the decentralized federalists as well.)


The consolidator of the South: San Martin, and the "closed door" meeting that people still wonder about

Further victories at the Carabobo in 1821 and Pichincha in 1822 consolidated Bolivar's military consolidation over Venezuela and Ecuador respectively. However, here's where it gets interesting.

After a meeting in Guayaquil, on July 26 and July 27, 1822, with Argentine General José de San Martín, who had received the title of Protector of Peruvian Freedom in August 1821 after having partially pulled off Peru from the Spanish Empire, Bolivar said something to cause San Martin to basically give up his power position to Bolivar—and even leave South America for good.

What does Bolivar say to him, in their famous closed door meeting, that caused San Martin, to completely change his plans and turn everything he conquers over to Bolivar, and then leave South America?

José Francisco de San Martín Matorras, commonly known as José de San Martín (25 February 1778 – 17 August 1850) was an Argentine general. Instead of Bolivar, it was San Martin who was the prime leader of southern South America's successful struggle for independence from Spain, while Bolivar was only in the northern part.

Born on February 25, 1778 in Yapeyú, he left his mother country at early age and studied in Madrid, Spain where he met and befriended "Chilean" Bernardo O'Higgins (the illegitimate child of an Irish descended Spanish aristocratic governor, who becomes Chile's first president who fights by the side of San Martin--so the same O’Higgins line in Chile is maintained pre-Spain “empire” and post-Spain “independence” as the administrators!).

Back to San Martin who worked with O’Higgins, and was shunted out: On 1789, after joining the Spanish forces to fight against the French invaders, and participating in several battles such as the Battle of Bailén and Battle of Albuera, San Martín started making contact with South American supporters of independence.

On 1812, he set sail for Buenos Aires from England (similar to Bolivar's English connections, and Bolivar is leaving England as well about this moment). San Martin offered his services to the United Provinces of the South (roughly present Argentina). After the Battle of San Lorenzo in 1813, and some time in command of the Army of the North during 1814, he started his plan to attack Lima.

This involved first seizing Chile, creating an army in Cuyo, then attacking still Spanish Lima by sea—all forthright British Empire kind of plans to sponsor such revolutionaries.

In 1817, in a feat comparable to Crossing of the Alps by Hannibal and Napoleon, he crossed the Andes from Mendoza to Chile, and prevailed over the Spanish imperial forces after the Battle of Chacabuco and Battle of Maipú (1818), taking Chile out of the Spanish Empire together with “Chilean” Bernardo O'Higgins--ironically the illegitimate son of the Irish-Spanish viceroy they were “toppling”. In other words, the O’Higgins were likely traitors to Spain? Was it just the son, or the father viceroy secretly as well?

These Irish O'Higgins who aided in Chilean breakaway from Spain are interesting--because that father seemingly was high Masonic, yet in the Spanish Catholic Empire.

Ambrosio O'Higgins, Marquis of Osorno, Marquis of Vallenar[1], Baron of Ballynary (es: Ambrosio O'Higgins, marqués de Osorno, marqués de Vallenar, barón de Ballinar) (1720?, Ballynary, County Sligo, Ireland—March 19, 1801[1], Lima, Peru) born Ambrose O'Higgins (Ambróis Ó hUigínn, in Irish), was an Irish-born Spanish colonial administrator. He served the Spanish Empire as captain general (i.e., military governor) of Chile (1788–1796) and viceroy of Peru (1796–1801). Chilean independence leader Bernardo O'Higgins was his illegitimate son, who was over the same areas. Plus ca change.

In other words, perhaps the illegitimate O'Higgins son was temped by British offers of being a double agent against the Spanish given his Irish background. It is unknown though interesting that his father, a Spanish Viceroy with Masonic connections helped pave the way for such future treason, supplies and trustworthiness? Ambrosio O'Higgins's official portrait shows him in a Masonic pose (hand in hidden in the vest, don’t cha know that?). As governor of Chile, one of the most problematic, poor and remote Spanish outposts, the Spanish Viceroy O'Higgins was extremely active in his little satrapy anyway, promoting the construction of a definitive road between the capital Santiago and the port of Valparaiso (part of the layout of which is still in use today), the building of the Palacio de la Moneda in Santiago (“The Presidential Palace/Government Mint”, where elected President Allende was killed in 1973 by future dictator Pinochet's CIA backed men), and the establishment of a reliable postal service between La Plata colony and the General Capitany of Chile.

They came from Ballynary, the name of a townland on the eastern shore of Lough Arrow in the southern corner of County Sligo in Ireland—ancestral seat of the O'Higgins family. Forced off their lands in 1654 by bloody and violent Oliver Cromwell's invasions of Ireland, head of this family still uses the title "The O'Higgins of Ballynary" or "Lord of Ballynary" although the family have not lived there since the 17th century.

The townland of Ballynary contains just over 210 acres and bordred the townland of Ballindoon where the ruins of a Dominican Abbey founded by the MacDonagh Clan are located. (MacDonagh are very high politics: Thomas MacDonagh (1 February 1878 – 3 May 1916) was an Irish nationalist, poet and a leader of the 1916 Easter Rising. Though credited as one of the Easter Rising's seven leaders, MacDonagh was a late addition to that group. He didn't join the secret Military Council that planned the rising until April 1916, weeks before the rising took place. The reason for his admittance at such a late date is uncertain. The Easter Rising was a rebellion against British colonial rule staged in Ireland in Easter Week, 1916. The Rising was suppressed after six days, and its leaders were court-martialled and executed. Despite its military failure, it can be judged as being a significant stepping-stone in the eventual creation of the Irish Republic.)

Ballynary in Ireland even contains O'Higgins Memorial Park which is dedicated surreally to Ambrose O'Higgins—that Spanish Viceroy to Peru who was born in Ballynary in 1720/21.

His illegitimate son Bernardo O'Higgins became the first head of State of Chile, and was the co-conquer with San Martin.

Slightly north of Chile on the coast, San Martín seized partial control of the viceroyalty's capital (Lima) in July 12, 1821 and was appointed Protector of Perú.

However, enter Bolivar from the north.

After a closed-door meeting with 'northern' libertador Simón Bolívar at Guayaquil, Ecuador on 22 July 1822, Bolívar took over the task of fully conquering and liberating Peru and declared its independence from the Spanish Empire--and “liberating” San Martin of all power.

San Martín then unexpectedly left Perú and resigned the command of his army, excluding himself from politics and the military, and moving to France in 1824. With his British connections, why France? Was San Martin a British Agent, with British connections, like Bolivar? The details of the 22 July meeting are a subject of debate by later historians—particularly if the British had a huge hand in it.

So, Bolívar somehow takes over the task of fully conquering Peru and the south of South America now, as British lined San Martin gives it all up and….goes to France!

Soon, the Peruvian congress named Bolivar dictator of Peru, on February 10, 1824, which allowed Bolívar to completely reorganize the political and military administration without all that annoying ideas about “liberation”.

Bolívar, assisted by Antonio José de Sucre, decisively defeated the Spanish cavalry, on August 6, 1824, at Junín. Sucre destroyed the still numerically superior remnants of the Spanish forces at Ayacucho on December 9.

“Peru” splits: on August 6, 1825, at the Congress of Upper Peru, the Republic of Bolivia was created.

Still Dictator of Peru, Bolívar is thus one of the few men to have a country named after him.

The constitution reflected the influence of the French and Scottish Enlightenment on Bolívar's political thought, as well as that of classical Greek and Roman authors--and of course, assuredly British aid in the whole thing.

However, Bolívar had great difficulties maintaining control of the vast Gran Colombia plan. Immediately, during 1826, internal divisions had sparked dissent throughout the nation and regional uprisings erupted in Venezuela thus the South American coalition appeared to be on the verge of collapse.

An amnesty was declared and an arrangement was reached with the Venezuelan rebels, but political dissent in New Granada grew as a consequence of this instead of abating.

In an attempt to keep the federation together as a single entity under Bolívar, he called for a constitutional convention at Ocaña during April 1828, in approximately over a year and a half. (Bolivar would be dead by 1830).

He had seen his dream of eventually creating a centralized monarchist presidential federation between all the newly independent areas with a government ideally set-up solely to recognize and uphold individual rights, succumb to the pressures of particular regional strongman interests, which rejected Bolivarian dictatorial model he cannily put into the whole plan.

For this reason, Bolivar instead walked out of the Constituional convention he himself called when they rejected what amounted to his plan for a subtle sort of completely self-appointee line of presidentialist monarchs, with Bolivar as the first one. When Bolivar walks out of his Constitutional Convention, with his dictatorship plan formally rejected, he just becomes dictator anyway, creating what he calls an “organic decree” off his own person.

Ostensibly to prevent a break-up, he argued, Bolívar wanted to implement in Gran Colombia a very presidentialist, centralist model of government including some or all of the elements of the Bolivian constitution he had written which included a lifetime presidency with the ability to select a successor; though this was theoretically held in check by an intricate system of balances, a self-perpetuating dynasty of a Bolivarian presidential line of internal appointees without elections was in the offing... Bolivar of course was without children, his wife dying in 1803 and he never remarrying.

This centralized, virtually hereditary, self-appointing presidentialist monarchy move of Bolivar was considered controversial and was one of the reasons why his ideas met with strong opposition.

In reaction, the convention against Bolivar almost ended up drafting a document which would have implemented a radically federalist decentralized form of government, which would have greatly reduced the powers of the central administration--and of Bolivarian desires.

Unhappy with what would be the ensuing result, and his overtures backfiring, Bolívar's delegates left the convention that Bolivar called! After the failure of the convention due to grave political differences and animosity to Bolivar’s hubris, Bolívar assuredly only made them madder and ruined his reputation (or showed his true colors) by proclaiming himself dictator on August 27, 1828 through the "Organic Decree of Dictatorship", when he was unable to get a Constitution to declare the same thing.

He clamed he considered this as a temporary measure, a means to "reestablish his authority and save the republic," though since he was the one leaving the Constitutional convention he was calling and he was the one refusing to work within republican structures or rule by deliberative law, it only increased dissatisfaction and anger among his political opponents. There was a failed assassination attempt against Bolivar after this.

It is really surprising that historiography has turned Bolivar into a hero after many instances where it was Bolivar that was endangering republicanism, electoral presidents, and rule of law in South America, instead of his political enemies.

One year and eight months later exactly, Bolívar finally resigned his presidency on April 27, 1830, intending to leave the country for exile in Europe, possibly in France.

He had given up on South America! Screw them! He’s off to France. This is the republican revolutionary leader of South America? It is only his death in Santa Marta in that year that solidifies his South American connections. Picture a disgruntled ex-dictator of South America, Bolivar, dying in Paris in 1887, and you will see how his 1830 death is perhaps the only thing that salvaged his mythology as a South American, because he died there, even though he had planned to leave it in disgust. He had already sent several crates (containing his belongings and his writings) ahead of him to Europe.

He goes to Santa Marta, which had given him his "second chance" in the first place so many years before--this area tied right back to royal Spanish statelet blood of Leon and Asturias. Near Santa Marta, however, he died before setting sail, after a painful battle with tuberculosis on December 17, 1830. Then the myth was born, and history was sacrificed. The myth is useful—because his blood is still in some South American elites. It would be a poor myth if Bolivar had died in Paris 40 years later or something because the lateral bloodlines of Bolivar still are around in Venezuela 150 years later and still powerful. Note two points:

Simón Bolívar has no direct descendants.

1. However, his bloodline lives on through his sister Juana Bolívar y Palacios who married in the typical inbred way Dionisio Palacios y Blanco (who was Simón and Juana's maternal uncle) and had two children: Guillermo and Benigna. If that is correct, Simon Bolivar’s sister, married Simon Bolivar’s uncle. Of these two children from this incestuous match, Guillermo died when fighting alongside his uncle (not Bolivar’s uncle) in the battle of La Hogaza in 1817.

The remaining one, Benigna Palacios y Bolívar, married Pedro Amestoy. (What kind of name is Amestoy? You probably guessed it: it’s Basque, just like where Bolibar/Bolivar is from 300 years earlier. A likely high political Amestoy relation is Dominique Amestoy, Basque banker, and one of the original founders to provide the financing for the historic Farmers and Merchants Bank in downtown Los Angeles, California, in 1871. For his contributions to Los Angeles, Amestoy Avenue in the San Fernando Valley area of Los Angeles was named in his honor. Amestoy Avenue runs North-South through the neighborhoods of Encino, Reseda, and Northridge, from Ventura Boulevard (interrupted) to the 118 Freeway (approximately 7 miles).
Farmers and Merchants Bank is a historic lending institution in downtown Los Angeles, California, USA, known both for its architecture and its pivotal role in the economic development of early Los Angeles. Other, non-related "F&M Banks" exist in many cities and towns across the United States. The Farmers and Merchants Bank was the first incorporated bank in Los Angeles, founded in 1871 by Isaias W. Hellman, a successful merchant, real estate speculator and banker, and brother of Hermann W. Hellman. Isaias was to remain president of the bank till his death in 1920.
The Hellmans have Irish-Catholic-Jewish connections as well. Small world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaias_W._Hellman
“At his death in 1920, Hellman was considered the leading financier of the Pacific Coast. His son (I.W. Jr.) and grandson (Isaias Warren Hellman) later became presidents of Wells Fargo Bank; and the Union Trust Company was merged with Wells Fargo after his death. His original Farmers and Merchants Bank would later merge with Security First National Bank and ultimately be acquired by Bank of America.”
Another fascinating revolutionary Amestoy, almost Illuminati sounding one is Isaac Puente Amestoy (June 3, 1896, Abanto y Ciérvana, in Vizcaya—1936, probably in Burgos province) was a Basque physician and Spanish anarchist, active in the Confederación Nacional del Trabajo (CNT). He held Malthusian views, and was an advocate of eugenics - which he best saw carried out through increased hygiene, an end to prostitution, and Feminism. He is best known for his famous and influential pamphlet El comunismo libertario ("Libertarian Communism") published in 1932. Puente was killed by Francisco Franco's forces during the Spanish Civil War.
Keeping up the libertarian philosophy, from1985-1997 Jeffrey L. Amestoy, Republican, was Attorney General of Vermont.
And back in South America, Esteban Adrogué (September 2, 1815 – 1903) was an Argentine citizen born in Buenos Aires and founder of the city of Adrogué in the southern part of Greater Buenos Aires, Argentina. He married another Amestoy: On April 12, 1837, he married Isidora Amestoy Arnais y Pinazo. Esteban Adrogué passed away in 1903. A monument in his honor is established in the square baring his name, located in the center of the city of Adrogué. His remains rest in the La Recoleta Cemetery, in Buenos Aires. Esteban Adrogué wanted the town that would bear his name to stand out from the others, so it possesses an original layout and numerous lush trees on the sidewalks, and was the summer resort of preference of the porteños aristocracy between 1872 and 1920. He was the owner of the Las Delicias hotel, formerly his own private residence, which accommodated several distinguished figures like Jorge Luis Borges, Domingo Faustino Sarmiento, Adolfo Bioy Casares, Silvina Ocampo, Victoria Ocampo y Carlos Pellegrini, among others. By the middle of the XIX century, he was one of the founders of the city of Lomas de Zamora, contributing also to the creation of the partido bearing the same name. In the 1870s he started the project that would make him famous, the foundation of the city of Adrogué, originally called Almirante Brown, and the foundation of the Almirante Brown Partido, named after another Britisher “helping South America” gain independence (from imperial competitor Spain). The partido is named after Irish born, General William Brown who led the Argentine navy in the Argentine War of Independence and helped Argentina gain her independence from the Spanish Empire. Hotel Las Delicias was inaugurated on December 1st, 1872. It had been previously Esteban Adrogué's private residence, but he decided to turn it into a hotel in response to the wealthy families looking for a place to settle down in the area with the intention of building country houses, and his wish to turn this place into a summer resort. Thus, in 1873, Las Delicias Hotel was the preferred summer shelter by notable Argentines. Visiting and staying in this place was at that time a respected distinction. Sarmiento, president of Argentina from 1868 to 1874, was one of those who enjoyed its facilities. (And the Rothschilds basically owned Argentina financially in the later 1800s, by being the only source controlling, selling, and fielding its governmental bond issues.)

So, the remaining one, Benigna Palacios y Bolívar, married Pedro Amestoy. The Amestoy’s sound almost as interesting as the Amestoy-Bolivars.

2. Their Amestoy-Bolivar great-grandchildren, Pedro (94) and Eduardo Mendoza Goiticoa (90) live in Caracas. They are Simón Bolívar's closest living relatives--and still governmental elites.

Eduardo Mendoza Goiticoa: a 1941 agricultural engineering graduate of Argentina's Universidad Nacional de La Plata, Mr. Mendoza was the youngest cabinet minister in Venezuelan history becoming minister in the government of Romulo Betancourt at the age of 27.[1]

As Secretary of Agriculture, he headed the Venezuelan Institute for Immigration and embraced the creation of the International Refugee Organization in 1946 (this body was later replaced by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees).

Mendoza succeeded, despite fierce opposition within the cabinet, in ensuring that Venezuela would aid European refugees and displaced persons who could not or would not return home after World War II. Eduardo Mendoza Goiticoa assumed responsibility for the legal protection and resettlement of tens of thousands of refugees [er, Nazis escaping?] inside Venezuela.

After government service he worked in a variety of agricultural and conservation concerns. With his brother Eugenio Mendoza he founded Venezuela's largest animal feed company: Protinal. He served as a director of Caracas' central park "Parque Del Este" [4] and as a founding member of the Universidad de Oriente. His brother Eugenio Mendoza's business organization, "El Grupo Mendoza" became the largest industrial conglomerate in the 1970s encompassing everything from cement, construction, manufacturing, heavy machinery, paint, paper mills, animal feed, banking, and insurance to ownership of General Motors of Venezuela.

They literally “own” Venezuela.

Eduardo Mendoza Goiticoa founded the Fundacion Mendoza which led the philanthropic community of Venezuela for two decades primarily focusing on the founding of the largest children's hospital in Latin America and numerous schools. In 1970, he founded the Universidad Metropolitana, a private university located in Caracas, which became the most important passion of his later years. It was the first Venezuelan university to offer careers in business management and finance. It remains the most prestigious private university in Venezuela.

He has received numerous awards and honors for his activities in the public and business life of Venezuela. Significantly, the Order of Merit (Orden de Merito), Order of Francisco de Miranda, Order of Cecilio Acosta, and the Orden del Libertador--the highest honor the Venezuelan government can bestow in recognition for contributions to the nation--named after his own relative, Bolivar.

A lifelong scientific researcher, Eduardo Mendoza Goiticoa was elected to the South American wide Andean Parliament in 2000, serving until 2001.

Whoa. Thus a "present day project of Gran Columbia, Revisted" is this Andean Community of Nations (in Spanish: Comunidad Andina de Naciones, abbreviated CAN). It is a trade bloc comprising the South American countries of Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru and Venezuela (which is actually in the process of leaving the bloc), which is exactly the same geographical area of Gran Columbia attempted to be merge politically economically under the same bloodline 130 years previously! The trade bloc was called the Andean Pact until 1996 and came into existence with the signing of the Cartagena Agreement in 1969. Its headquarters are located in Lima, Peru.

So, plus ca change in the Bolivar line:

Bolivar and Gran Columbia;

and great-great-great-nephew of Simon Bolivar, Eduardo Mendoza Goiticoa, as working in the South American wide trade bloc based Andean Parliament; and with his brother, hugely dominant in Venezuela presently still.

Moreover, Eduardo Mendoza Goiticoa is great-grandson of Venezuela’s first President, Cristobal Mendoza.

Cristóbal Hurtado de Mendoza, first President of Venezuela, was born in Trujillo, Venezuela, June 23, 1772 and was educated by his father in a Franciscan Monastery under the tutelage of Friar Antonio de Pereira. At the age of 16 was sent to Caracas to complete his education. In 1794 obtained his bachelor and masters degree in law. He went to Santo Domingo where he studied civil rights and returned to Venezuela in his late 20s. In 1811, at 29, became first president of the first Venezuelan republic and took measures to begin the war for independence against the Spanish King, he also was author of the Venezuelan Declaration of Independence. In march of 1811 the first Venezuelan constitutional congress defined the executive power as a triumvirate shared between three men. Mendoza was unanimously elected by them as the first of these on March 5, 1811--a relative of Bolivar. [1]

While in office he formed part of the constitutional convention that designed and implemented the first Constitution of the Republic of Venezuela on July 5, 1811. This was the one that Miranda, to their revolutionary chagrin, surrendered supposedly to avoid huge bloodshed and led Bolivar to reconquer the area within several years, as well as toss poor Miranda to the Spanish dogs. Don’t cross the Bolivars.

After the fall of the first republic upon the invasion by Spain, Mendoza moved to the island of...you guessed it...Granada, which has Columbus direct connections as well:

The recorded history of Grenada begins in 1498, when Christopher Columbus first sighted the island and gave it the alias Conception Island, and later called it Granada. At the time the Island Caribs (Kalinago) lived there and called it knouhogue. The Spaniards did not permanently settle in Camerhogue. Later the English failed in their first settlement attempts, but the French fought and conquered Grenada from the Caribs circa 1650. At one point many Caribs leaped to their death near Sauteurs, a present day northern town in Grenada; the Caribs opted not to be captives of the French. Subsequently, this resulted in warfare between the Caribs of present day Dominica and St. Vincent and the Grenadines and the French invaders. The French took control of Camerhogue and named the new French colony Grenade. The colony was ceded to the United Kingdom in 1763 by the Treaty of Paris. Grenada was made a Crown Colony in 1877.

In 1813 Simon Bolivar became president and wrote to his relative Mendoza, on Grenada: "You should come without delay: come. The country needs you. I will go ahead conquering and you will follow me organizing; because you are the organizer and I am the conqueror."

He returned to Venezuela and became Governor of the province of Mérida. Then, Bolívar appointed him Governor of Caracas. In 1814 the Spanish forces reinvaded the second Republic, and Mendoza once again went into exile. This time to the Netherlands Antilles--under the royal sway of the Orangist lines, still kings in the Netherlands presently:

The Netherlands Antilles (Dutch: Nederlandse Antillen), previously known as the Netherlands West Indies or Dutch Antilles/West Indies, are part of the Lesser Antilles and consist of two groups of islands in the Caribbean Sea: Curaçao and Bonaire, just off the Venezuelan coast, and Sint Eustatius, Saba and the southern part of Saint Martin Island, located southeast of the Virgin Islands. The islands form an autonomous part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. In the 17th century, the islands were conquered by the Dutch West India Company and were used as bases for the slave trade. Slavery was not abolished until 1863. In 1954, the status of islands was promoted from that of a colonial territory to part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands as an associated state within a federacy. The island of Aruba was part of the Netherlands Antilles until 1986, when it was granted a "status apart", and became a separate part of the kingdom. If acknowledged by a referendum on all islands, from July 2007 onward, Curaçao and Sint Maarten will take a constitutional status similar to that of Aruba, while the smaller islands will be reincorporated into the Netherlands as Dutch municipalities. As a consequence, this means that from July 1, 2007, the Netherlands Antilles would cease to exist as a state.

From the Netherlands Antilles, Mendoza wrote numerous articles in favor of the (British empire backed) independence movement and against Spanish domination. He returned in 1821 and was designated Justice Minister. In 1826 he became Intendent of Venezuela.

Cristóbal Mendoza's life was marked by an unbreakable loyalty to Simon Bolivar and his "Gran Columbia" ideals. At all time he stood by the concept of a federation of Latin American republics—under themselves. He opposed the separatist efforts of José Antonio Páez (who would later become President of an independent Venezuela).

Another hereditary thing here is that Mendoza's grandson is Leopoldo López, Mayor of the Chacao municipality of Caracas and co-founder of the Primero Justicia party.

Justice First (Primero Justicia) is a political party in Venezuela. It claims to offer an alternative to the government of Hugo Chávez.

Makes sense, eh? Inbred Aristocratic, monopolist, managerial cliques descended from equally dictatorial Bolivar in the flesh vs. the "half breed" (sic) Chavez, descended from Bolivar only in the ideals without the aristocratic backing. Makes for a very unstable politics. Plus ca change in Venezuela.

12/31/2006 04:28:00 AM  
Anonymous the soylent mojority said...

Shout out to mah peeps, anonymous, you sure is one febrile hemonymically obsessed ass burger.

Having said that, Hugo Chavez may be a brother mestizo, but after his UN performance touting left gatekeeper and arch 9/11 denier, JFK lone gunman magic bullet lover Noam Chomsky, and in light of Hugo's desire to put gas and/or water pipelines through the Amazon rainforest without heed for need of the commodity alleged to be transported and the destruction and havoc to be wreaked on said lungs of the planet, I am forced to conclude, sadly, that Hugo Chavez is just one demagogic shill for the NWO elite, there to brandish his phonied up "red cred" and sway the masses of South America behind him so that he may lead them in pied piper fashion straight to their enslavement on that nice big continental plantation the Bushzarros and Moonies have been buying up and building US military bases on.

Sorry for the run on sentence, but this ain't English class and your diatribes are so "run on" that they challenge the memory capacity of the server, not to mention the attention span of the reader. My computer freezes into little peristaltic spasms when I try to fast forward and scroll through your interminable and interminably boring SPAM.

Try some of the latter. It comes in a can. I hear tell it's the next best thing to monatomic gold for Bloodline Fever.

12/31/2006 05:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Damn dirty ape said...

Hey ano-hemo-nymic assburger,

You are so obsessed with royalty that you forgot to post 150 pages on Segway-olene Royal, the aging Cindy Crawford-like advertising model who may be the next president of France. Her name is Royal (sic). Hardee har har, Alice.

When you talk about the "Merovingian" connections (sic) between Simon Bolivar or Primero Justicia, but neglect to mention the sulfuric theatrics of Hugo Chavez Frias and the lying liars with whom he dances and whom he wants to you believe in, you are nothing but a stupid pitbull with its jaws clamped around the leg of a burgler, oblivious to the bulldozer run by the man who employs the burglar, which is about to demolish your wooden shack, splintering it, you, and a fair number of merovingian burglars into smithereens.

It's called being unable to see the woods for the trees. Something that the controllers of your "bloodline" nemeses count on.

But then these are metaphors, requiring the facility for abstract thought....and you are ConcreteMan, here to save us from what you fear.

It really is a waste of time. We neither want nor need to be saved from the "Merovingian" bugaboo. It is a figment of your, and their, pointless obsession and machinations, a pimple on the face of time.

What you are doing is like trying to stop wars of imperialist aggression by redesigning the flags of the invaders, or more aptly, by merely pointing out the symbolism on the flags. [That's a simile].

In a word, so fucking what??

First, rescue yourself from this debilitating, and largely meaningless, preoccupation. It leads to nothing very fruitful.

But, in case you need a little praise to get you through the day, I am way impressed by the amount of time you can waste cut and pasting the work of others into a largely meaningless pastiche.

12/31/2006 02:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First, rescue yourself from this debilitating, and largely meaningless, preoccupation. It leads to nothing very fruitful.

I diagree. It's hardly meaningless or debilitating to see who is actually operating the levers of power over generational spans without people knowing it. It's very liberating.

If these people are still in control after hundreds of years, I think you could reconsider your hostility is misplaced on the messenger and think seriously about these strange, very small in number, family threads in play in European politics, magnified by their institutional policy sometimes over whole states.

Empty emotionalism of the comment above, being non sequitur and completely without reference to what was posted, is truly meaningless.

Ignoring this information is what is debilitating--self-debilitating, which is worse.

These cloaked truly aristocratic forms of position, since they are real, are worth researching.

If you dislike or are unable to integrate that into your worldview, that's fine with me, though I would consider it your loss.

I don't expect you will have a fuller picture of this strange puzzle piece which is being played in many games of European politics.

After all as I have said, this family theme is just one among many themes, and only since it is so neglected, it is worth mentioning. It's not a substitutionary historiography or a form of reductionism--it's a form of widening purview into others with a theme that other reductionisms tend to leave out: "who exactly are the leaders?"

If you think they are exclusively elevated to positions of power by abstract social forces, I think that is so--though only partially correct. Many are waiting in the wings for just such types of elevation--and many seek to cause such abstract upset or social forces just to rise themselves on its back.

I never claimed that was all that is happening, nor ever would--only that this is an area under-researched. And since that is what I keep getting attacked for, it's not really a valid point.

Surely, with four major high political consolidator lines still in existence in Europe coming from the Pyrenees or the whole microstate theme as innately part of current political reality instead of a symbol of throwback, such a comment above (which was empty of content and just a string of empty insults and tauntings) is a strange reactionary response.

1/01/2007 11:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Richard Dawson said...

It's time to play the Family Feud!!!!

The topic is Bloodlines for 200 dollars. Top three answers on the board:

#1. Rothschild
#2. Schiff
#3. Rockefeller

How tellingly convenient that you only concentrate on Xtians, anonymuss.

And how about the Fribourgs of Belgium and the former Continental Grain Company, eh?

You are a shill.

1/02/2007 12:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How tellingly convenient that you only concentrate on Xtians, anonymuss.

See above:

I never claimed that was all that is happening, nor ever would--only that this is an area under-researched. And since that is what I keep getting attacked for, it's not really a valid point.

Financial dynasties, yes, very important of course. Though let's keep up the intentional abstruseness, why cover the surface baubles?

For instance, particularly interesting about the Schiffs is hardly only the banking angle--what is typically left out is that they are both a multigenerational banker dynasty, as well as multigenerational Rabbi dynasty. (Schiff rabbi 'dynasty' traceable back to the 1300s, if I remember correctly; and the Schiff's were neighbors to the Rothschilds in (?) Frankfurt I think.

Schiff admitted openly later in his life to sending hundreds of millions to topple the Russian Czar (when he funded Japan attacking Russia in 1905). This huge loan enabled Japan to attack Russia on its Pacific Coast areas, the same moment that other compatriots with Trotsky were attacking in the west at St. Petersberg. The Japan side of the operation worked out, the western side failed: The Czar bought ambivalance with Duma creation--then later prorogued it. 1917 was just take two of the operation in the west of Russia.


A little flick of the wrist, leads to a signed check or two, and whole continents change hands.

Banker dynasties however are a different "octopus" than these assumed Cristo-royalist-Grail dynasty ones (for lack of another word) working themselves out here.

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