Friday, January 12, 2007

"Rise Up, and Let the Storm Break Loose"



In a world called catastrophe
my native tongue is blasphemy
- Matthew Good


Under the weather here, and under deadline, with no time to write. But that's alright, because I think we're just about beyond words.

The wider war that was always coming has almost come, despite the naive wishes of old school Americans of good sense who thought they were choosing another course for their nation last November. Bush's Wednesday speech - and most significantly, his reportedly bone-chilling pre-speech briefing to a late-waking press - is the closer on a deal gone down six years ago. By now, we should be well past He wouldn't - would he?

His speech reminded me of Goebbels' address to Germany on February 18, 1943. Stalingrad had fallen and an army lost and suddenly, after more than three years of unrivaled conquest, Germans were staring, dumbly, at catastrophic defeat. Goebbels' speech, like Bush's, met calamity and tragedy with a call for more of the same.

"Now is not the time to ask how it all happened," he said. But who? "We know our historic responsibility - Western civilization is in danger.... As countless letters from the homeland and the front have shown, by the way, the entire people agrees. Everyone knows that if we lose, all will be destroyed." Defeat is not an option.

Defeat, when it comes, is never optional. Though often it's spectacular.

113 Comments:

Anonymous Humanity said...

May Peace and Love and Wisdom prevail

1/12/2007 12:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

Content aside, what I found most disturbing about the speech was Bush's appalling lack of sincerity. I was watching with the sound off, and tried to imagine this guy as a car salesman: I would run, not walk, out of his dealership! Bush's delivery doesn't even rise to the level of a salesman's unctuousness: it's just the flat deadpan of a zombie.

Once again, we see the utter disconnect of (elite) policy from politics. But this time, the reality is standing before us, revealed in its horrible nakedness: policy is determined now by a fanatic cabal, over and against the wishes even of their own generals!

Shades of late-phase nazi Germany, Hitler frothing while the German generals were circumspectly eyeing one another.

The appointment of a naval officer as new war-fighting chief (you know, in case the Iraqi navy attacks) sends a clear signal that Iran and the defense of the Persian Gulf oil lanes comes next, in this neocon pas-de-delusion.

1/12/2007 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Yes, but is it defeat, really? Do you ever really defeat "it" when it's all said and done? No, you don't. Instead, "it" rises from the ashes, like the mythical Phoenix, transformed, renewed and ready for the next wave.

As Masala lay twisted, mangled, bloodied and near death, he grabbed Judah before his last gasp and said "it goes on, Judah....the race goes on." "It" did not perish with Masala's defeat because "it" transcends human form.

1/12/2007 12:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

from Kurt Nimmo:

“President Bush appointed Admiral William Fallon to replace General John Abizaid as head of Central Command for Iraq and Afghanistan last week in a sign that change could be afoot. This week, Mr. Bush ordered a second aircraft carrier to the Gulf, along with its support ships, which could be used to contain Iran,” a fact glossed over with little meaningful comment by the corporate media in this country. Of course, it makes absolutely no sense for the unitary decider to appoint an admiral to command land forces in Iraq, thus the only logical conclusion is that the neocons are preparing for sea-based air strikes against Iran.

However, at least a few corporate media shills are waking up to the inevitability of an Iran attack. For instance, MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, who “aggressively questioned [at least for a moment] White House Press Secretary Tony Snow about whether President Bush’s rhetoric last night was a ‘precursor for a rationale for an attack’ on Iran.”

Matthews said he feared the neocons would use a skirmish with Iranian fighters in Iraq as a reason to “bomb the hell out of them and hit their nuclear installations without any without any action by Congress. That’s the scenario I fear, an extra-constitutional war is what I’m worried about.”

Snow dismissed Matthews, saying “you have been watching too many old movies,” for instance a movie on the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, or rather fabricated pretext.

Matthews, undeterred, interrupted. “No, I’ve been watching the war in Iraq, is what I’ve been watching.” Snow, however, admitted the dispatch of the latest carrier to the Gulf is related to actions against Iran:

MATTHEWS: …look at this. “I recently ordered the deployment of an additional carrier strike group to the region.” Isn’t that about Iran?

SNOW: It, it—yeah, it is, in part, and what it is is it’s saying, look, we are going to make sure that anybody who tries to take aggressive action—but when Bill Clinton sent a carrier task force into the South China Sea after the North Koreans fired a missile over Japan, that was not as a prelude to war against North Korea. You know how it works."

Yes. We know how it works, all too well.

But I do wonder what old movies Tony Snow and Bush Imperator sit around and watch. 'Triumph of the Will?' Or, with a nod to Nixon and the Cambodia incursion, 'Patton?'

And from Ha'aretz:

"The Bush administration recently leaked details of clandestine Iranian operations in Iraq, as well as what the president described as direct assistance for insurgents targeting American soldiers.

Bush said that success in Iraq would come ONLY AFTER Iran and Syria are addressed. (!)

However, in a briefing at the Pentagon yesterday, Chairman of the Joints Chiefs of Staff Peter Pace said there were NO PLANS for military operations inside Iran."

(Whew!)

"U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said yesterday that those calling for dialogue with Syria and Iran fail to realize that these countries are seeking to undermine stability, and that talks with them are unlikely to yield results."

Ach! (Slaps head) In other words, don't talk to them, because talks are unlikely to yield results, so best not to talk with them.

In 'Apocalypse Now,' Willard kills Col. Kurtz. In our bizarro version, Kurtz has become Secretary of State.

1/12/2007 12:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

In the meantime, Former President Jimmy Carter is being excoriated and raked over the coals by the U.S. Jewish Lobby for his latest book. Thirteen locak board members of the Carter Center have resigned in protest, including Emory University Professor, Dr. Kenneth Stein. Gee, real surprise there with Stein.

This is only a book, for Christ's Sake. Juxtapose this with the carnage in Iraq. Why isn't the Jewish Lobby showing as much protest and disgust over the spilling of innocant blood in Iraq?

I'm sorry, but I'm about fed up with how much influence these bastards possess. If they want to besmirch Carter for his coddling of Somosa, that's one thing, but to create this kind of controversy for stating his opinion and finally speaking truth to power is so completely partial and transparent. People need to wake up and say enough is enough.

1/12/2007 12:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

In 'Apocalypse Now,' Willard kills Col. Kurtz. In our bizarro version, Kurtz has become Secretary of State.

I don't know. The message I got from the movie was that Kurtz' Utopia in the rainforest was a microcosm of, or a reflection of, our own civilization.

Therefore, our world is lead by those of Kurtz' ilk.

How could one label Kurtz insane when you consider the madness of the Vietnam War. He wasn't any more insane than you or I...just unconventional...and brilliant.

1/12/2007 01:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I enjoyed this shorter version of Dubya's talk, via Driftglass:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vgQalXaIxs&eurl=

1/12/2007 01:15:00 PM  
Blogger Dick Durata said...

Thanks for that, Anonymous!

1/12/2007 02:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is that photo with the jet ski going over the falls real or photoshopped?

1/12/2007 02:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Oarwell said...

Looney Tunes Dept:

From an October, 2006 interview with Bush Imperator--

Hannity: Is this a struggle literally between good and evil?

Bush: I think it is.

Hannity: This is what it is? Do you think most people understand that? I mean, when you see the vacillating poll numbers, does it discourage you in that sense?

Bush: Well, first of all, you can't make decisions on polls, Sean. You've got to do what you think is right. The reason I say it's good versus evil is that evil people kill innocent life to achieve political objectives. And that's what Al Qaeda and people like Al Qaeda do."

I guess he's "people like Al Qaeda," since how else can you describe killing innocent Iraqi children for political hegemony? Oh, I forgot--we're not evil, they are.

It's those subtle semantic distinctions I keep tripping up on, like between "dead child" and "collateral damage." Only in reality are they the same thing. But put on your neocon lenses and voila! A world of difference.

With those lenses, you can clearly discern good from evil. The lenses erase all shades of grey! The righteousness of your cause, whatever Hadley and Kristol tell you it might be, stands out in sharp relief from the malodorous evil of your foe, whether they be domestic or foreign. The lenses are unerring in sniffing out commies from under your bed...er, I mean, terrists.

With the neocon lenses, evil is rampant, everywhere, and can only be rooted out with fire and the sword. It is LITERALLY a battle between good and evil which is being played out in Bush's poor, bubbling zombie brain.

Bush's dad, GHWB, also used to talk about "good and evil:" a loop of it was captured by the band Ministry on their cut "NWO." It's when Poppy introduces the concept of the New World Order, for Gulf War One. "It's the difference between right and wrong, good and evil..." he lectures during the song, and Bush Sr. saying
"A New ... World ... Order" is the chorus.

A jet ski off Niagara: a fitting visual epitaph for the American experiment.

1/12/2007 02:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

The American Experiment went over the falls long ago in a canoe full of genocided Indians.

It was always hegemony disguised as Democracy.

1/12/2007 02:47:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

shrub, i agree: carter is getting crucified for merely voicing the opinions of many, many israelis themselves on the palestinian question, and the neutered, mindless, talking heads in the US can't stand it that someone--anyone--brought this debate some balance.

1/12/2007 02:55:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

where can i find something on bush's "bone-chilling pre-speech briefing to a late-waking press"? google is no help...

1/12/2007 03:03:00 PM  
Anonymous aqualung said...

When I was young and they packed me off to school and they talk me how not to play the game
I didnt mind if they groomed me for success or if they said that I was just a fool ...
So to my old headmaster and to anyone who cares, before I go I'd like to say my prayers
You can excommunicate me on my way to sunday school and have all the bishops harmonize these lines.
(Ian Anderson; Jethro Tull)

1/12/2007 03:16:00 PM  
Anonymous aqualung said...

taught* (but then you knew that) and I knew that you knew that I knew you knew

1/12/2007 03:19:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Here jon:

At a not-for-quotation pre-speech briefing on Jan. 10, George W. Bush and his top national security aides unnerved network anchors and other senior news executives with suggestions that a major confrontation with Iran is looming.

Commenting about the briefing on MSNBC after Bush’s nationwide address, NBC’s Washington bureau chief Tim Russert said “there’s a strong sense in the upper echelons of the White House that Iran is going to surface relatively quickly as a major issue – in the country and the world – in a very acute way.”

Russert and NBC anchor Brian Williams depicted this White House emphasis on Iran as the biggest surprise from the briefing as Bush stepped into the meeting to speak passionately about why he is determined to prevail in the Middle East.

“The President’s inference was this: that an entire region would blow up from the inside, the core being Iraq, from the inside out,” Williams said, paraphrasing Bush.

consortiumnews

1/12/2007 03:20:00 PM  
Anonymous rocco said...

Are we still avoiding the 1600 lb gorilla in the room? Carted in by Bill Kristol and co.? I think Xymphora's post yesterday was dead-on. And to think some of you thought he was overly reacting. Sheesh. Check out Chris Bjerknes too.

1/12/2007 03:56:00 PM  
Anonymous mondo said...

Jon, the reason Carter is being crucified is because this is all Israel's doing and Israel wants as little light shed on them as possible at the moment. You know how they are... "by way of deception" and all...

Remember 9-11 and how they escalated their Palestinian genocide after? "We're not your problem, your problem is our problem, the Palestinians are your problem". Remember that? Now let's compare the problems we've had laid upon us by both Palestine and ISrael over the past 20, 30, even 100 years. That's what I thought...

Put the pieces together going back to Ariel Sharon's visit to Crawford where he brought the Iranian maps. Look back on the last two AIPAC conventions and the speeches given. Check out AEI's website too. ALl this followed shortly by Bush's love-stroll with the Saudi king. I suspect Israel and the US's original false flag op was slighted somehow. Who knows when. Could've been as far back as the firing of that 4 star Gen. in North Carolina who was about the do a live nuke excercise in the local Carolina harbor. BUt trust me, this is pure zionism at work and anyone who cant admit that at this point is suspect, IMO.

1/12/2007 04:06:00 PM  
Anonymous TooStoned said...

The American Experiment went over the falls long ago in a canoe full of genocided Indians.

It was always hegemony disguised as Democracy.


Bingo!

I believe that Bush is effect, not cause. We've been on this road for a long, long time.

For a few brief moments thirty some odd years ago, before Carter's Catastrophes and the Raygun Devolution there seemed to be some hope that the people could begin to deliver on the promise of America.

That hope is long dead and mouldering today...

1/12/2007 04:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks, Oarwell for that little analysis with links.

And thanks to Henry Rollins...

1/12/2007 04:41:00 PM  
Blogger Rafting Bear said...

Jeff, I am in awe of your writing and grateful to find someone else who seems to understand what's going on. At the deeper levels, that is. I, myself, am an "alien abductee" (to use the vernacular) and have spent years trying to figure out what you apparently already knew.

Which is not to say that I'm not trying! You might want to check out my own blog entry for today for the story of how conspiracy is not only possible, but inevitable--from another viewpoint.

You'll note I never even get into the Satanism thing. You don't have to. I believe it is a part of the reality, but even without it, conspiracy will happen. It is a natural side-effect of government, and to wipe one out one must wipe out the other.

Which I believe is in progress.

1/12/2007 04:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anybody seen the ex-Mossad katsa, Victor Ostrovsky speak? I never thought of ex-Mossad as stand up comedy, though what is really going on is so tragic its hilarious. Interesting insider perspective--as well as explanation why he nearly got killed by his own Israelis because he "wasn't neocon enough" in so many words.

Perhaps more pro-Israelis will wake up and understand critique of Israeli at this stage is to save it from being the beachhead of the Fourth Reich--and assuredly the self-destruction of Jewish people living there by the treasonous and equally neocon Israeli wing flying Israel into a ground war.

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Ostrovsky on ADL and 'labeling' people
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His second book he says sold close to eight million copies, though the Iron Curtain Media in the North America he said didn't even review it once--except for one small weekly paper in Arizona. That's power, my friends. Misguided power of the neocon Israeli wing for brainwashing by omission, though power nevertheless.


1.

By Way of Deception by Victor Ostrovsky

Intelligence agencies should never try to ban books about themselves. Like Peter Wright's Spycatcher (Penguin USA, 1987), which was suppressed in Britain [though it left out that the real soviet mole was assuredly the Rothschild], this book on Israel's legendary spy organization by a former Mossad katsa or case officer has ended up on the New York Times best seller list. Among the controversial revelations that led Israel to seek a ban (which was quickly overturned in the United States and Canada) is Ostrovsky's charge that the Mossad refused to share knowledge of a planned suicide mission in Beirut, resulting in the deaths of 241 U.S. Marines in 1983. Another New York Times best seller, Dan Raviv and Yossi Melman's Every Spy a Prince ( LJ 7/90), provides more reliable details on Israel's spy network.

The # 1 "New York Times" best seller the Israeli foreign intelligence agency The Mossad tried to ban. The making of a Mossad officer is the true story of an officer in Israel's most secret agency.

2.

The Other Side of Deception: A Rogue Agent Exposes the Mossad's Secret Agenda (1994)

Alongside the author's previous "By Way of Deception." This book, also a best seller, contains a depressing and chilling expose of The Mossad, Israel's intelligence service.

Unlike any other 'true espionage account' you might have hitherto read it is, as the saying goes, impossible to put down. Absolutely riveting. Though by the end the question is not 'Who are the good guys?' It's more like ' Who in The Middle East is NOT completely insane ?'

Ostrovsky was a former colonel in the Israeli armed forces before he joined Mossad. No one contends that he was a field officer, well connected and in the know. He was fired after a fracas in Cyprus, in which he contends he was forced to take the fall for his incompetent superiors. This would never have happenned in the Israeli Defense Forces, not without a proper hearing. However The Mossad, as he never tires of telling us, is a law unto itself.

According to the author it has become a 'rival state' comprised of good ole boys answerable only to the Prime Minister--at least in theory. In fact, it answers to no one.

Dissatisfied intelligence officers who have been, rightly or wrongly, given the boot writing scathing memoirs is not news.

However if, say, a CIA operative turned 'liberal' upon termination of employment alleged ONE TENTH of what Ostrovsky alleges, the scandal that would follow dwarf Watergate and Iran/Contra combined.

Among a few:

* The Mossad regards anyone in Israel who believes in peace with the Palestinians, or withdrawal from the occupied territories as little better than a traitor. It has sold arms and provided information to fundamentalist extremist Muslim groups via third parties in order to undermine the stability of Arab States and the credibility of their leaders with The West. Anything to keep the conflict burning.

* The Mossad planned to assasinate president George Bush Sr at the Madrid peace talks in 1991, due to his policy of pressuring Israel to the negotiaing table by freezing their loan guarantees.

False flag terrorism of Mossad abounds, and one false flag operation that Ostrovsky spoiled intentionally he claims: a special Kidon (bayonet, i.e; hit men) unit took three 'useful idiot' Palestinian extremists from Beirut and set them up. The Mossad was to kill the 'perpretators' in the ensuing confusion after they had shot the president. Due to inside info Ostrovsky obtained, he was able to blow the whistle and the plan was cancelled--as were the three Palestinians, at the Nes Ziyyona facitlity, an ABC (atomic, bacteriological, chemical) warfare lab where the author contends top epidemiogical scientists routinely use enemies as human guinea pigs.

Hey, when so called victims start playing perpetrators at German style science experiment concentration camps, I have nothing except disgust for their false victimization claims. WWII is over. An Israeli run operated apartheid and concentration camp set up is in place, making all the worlds the victims of the Israelis if you care anything about universalistic human rights.

* The Mossad, did indeed murder their billionare operative Robert Maxwell, let Jonathan Pollard hang out to dry, and (ready?) assasinated Israeli general Yekutiel Adam a.k.a. "Kuti" because he had been appointed its head and they didn't want an 'outsider' taking over.

Now if all this---and much more---sound like the ravings of a lunatic, he's an extremely meticulous and detailed one.

Still, one wonders if the Mossad is a loose cannon, why Ostrovsky chose to trust anyone in it, after fleeing Israel.

He tells us that after getting sacked he got news that he was about to be made a liason to South Lebanon (as good as a death sentence) and a certain Ephraim---a higher ranking officer saved him by helping him escape to the U.S.

Whereupon Ephraim called in the favor and talked him into 'reforming' the organization by doing everything possible to undermine it, thus bringing 'liberals' like Ephraim to power. [that's a laugh]

If we're not through the looking glass yet, here we go: The undermining consisted in Victor volunteering his services as an ex-Mossad agent to The British, The KGB, The Jordanians (!) and The Egyptians, among others.

The KGB didn't bite because they had a mole inside--however their refusal confirmed Ephraim's suspicions--he uncovered the mole and became a hero. The Brits were more accomodating, but cheap. The Jordanians--well, you've got to read that chapter, suffice it to say that according to Victor he had to fly to Jordan, whereupon things got very James Bondian and even more surreal. The Egyptians threw him in a cell.

In the end, Ephraim does take over but then he tries to assasinate Victor, to tie up loose ends.

Compelling, well documented, and absolutely nuts.

1/12/2007 05:10:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

jeff, thanks for the link.

mondo, i agree with you for the most part, save for "this is all Israel's doing"; this is no more *exclusively* an israeli effort to undermine carter than, say, saddam's criminal activity was *exclusively* his own. the US is complicit in both, imo.

anon5:10, your points about ostrovsky remind me of something amanda keller said of mohammed atta in "welcome to terrorland":

"He didn't say where it [Atta's alledged Israeli I.D.] was from, either. But the writing looked like a cross between Hebrew and Arabic, those little frilly lines. He told me he spoke Hebrew. I said bullshit. So he started speaking it, and I guess he did" (pg. 109).

what this means to some is that atta was potentially an israeli agent, but i would disagree. instead i would think he was more, part of the Stateless Complex, the Void, the Nexus that doesn't distinguish between jew and gentile any more than it does between republican and democrat. perhaps ostrovsky's testimony should be cast in this light as well...

1/12/2007 05:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Angus said...

Jeff-
Is the lose/loose typo in your title deliberate?
Other than that, great post as ever.
A

1/12/2007 06:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Mustapha Mond said...

´History is Bunk´

1/12/2007 09:13:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

CII, Q62
Mabus will soon die, then will come,
A horrible undoing of people and animals,
At once one will see vengeance,
One hundred powers, thirst, famine, when the comet will pass

Comet McNaught less than 2 weeks after the death of Sadam..mabus.

Help me hear..here.. no here...

100 hands?????

They measure horses with hands don't they?

1/12/2007 09:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sitting on a park bench --
Eyeing ittle girls with bad intent.
Snot running down his nose --
Greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes.
Drying in the cold sun --
Watching as the frilly panties run.
Feeling like a dead duck --
Spitting out pieces of his broken luck.
Sun streaking cold --
An old man wandering lonely.
Taking time
The only way he knows.
Leg hurting bad,
As he bends to pick a dog-end --
He goes down to the bog
And warms his feet.

Feeling alone --
The armys up the rode
Salvation la mode and
A cup of tea.
Aqualung my friend --
Dont start away uneasy
You poor old sod, you see, its only me.
Do you still remember
Decembers foggy freeze --
When the ice that
Clings on to your beard is
Screaming agony.
And you snatch your rattling last breaths
With deep-sea-diver sounds,
And the flowers bloom like
Madness in the spring.





Shall be madness in this spring?

Ian
Anderson
We remember you.
I had the honor of seeing you play in Radio City Music Hall, NYC.

1/12/2007 11:00:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

"Is the lose/loose typo in your title deliberate?"

Ah, nuts. No, it isn't. Just a common error of mine. I'll edit.

1/12/2007 11:12:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Thanks, by the way.

1/12/2007 11:13:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

I am starting to think that the only way to understand this push for war with Iran is if Israel and the Saudis are both behind it.

That wouldn't be unprecedented. Joseph Trento's "Prelude to Terror" says that starting in the 70's, Saudi interests and those of the Israelis often converged, since they were both primarily interested in warding off the threat of radical Islamic states like Libya and post-Shah Iran, which each for its own reasons regarded as its real enemy. At the same time, the rogue CIA guys, like Shackley and Clines, were dealing with both of them.

By the early 80's, Trento says, the Saudis and Israelis were both supporting Saddam Hussein's war against Iran. (Though the Israelis also kept doing some arms deals with Iran on the side, just as insurance.)

The Saudis, of course, were also paying off their own fundamentalists to keep them from doing things like overthrowing the royal family -- or sending them off to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. That was the source of al Qaeda. But somehow, now that I think about it, al Qaeda, for all its rhetoric, hasn't exactly been hot for attacking Israel. It's been the Shi'ite groups, with backing from Iran, that have done that.

Given this history, it seems perfectly possible to me that Israel and the Saudis may have something of a marriage of convenience going currently to push the US into a war against Iran. But as I say, this is a notion that I've just started playing with -- and I'd welcome any reflections on why it might or might not be a plausible explanation for what is going on.

1/12/2007 11:52:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

If I were a betting man...The plan has always been to divide and conquer Iraq ie sectarian issues which will lead to lead lined pockets of gold socked away in the belly of the beast.

Russia is not going to take this lightly. More troops heading their way and more ships steaming around ain't a comfort. The subject has 360 degrees and 64 ways to skin a cat. The Rubicon comes to mind and who needs a battalion of the disconcerted bat shit coming home anyway. Prepare for the worst. All options are on the table and Straussian logi says enough is enough.

1/13/2007 12:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

starroute said:

I am starting to think that the only way to understand this push for war with Iran is if Israel and the Saudis are both behind it.

...

Given this..., it seems perfectly possible to me that Israel and the Saudis may have something of a marriage of convenience going currently to push the US into a war against Iran. But as I say, this is a notion that I've just started playing with -- and I'd welcome any reflections on why it might or might not be a plausible explanation for what is going on.


Well for one, you do know about the 'heresy' (of truth?) that the Saudi royal family may be Jewish? I think more plausibly, if that is true, at least they may be Sabbatean infiltrators into Islam, followers of Jewish false Messiah Sabbatai Tzvi, "for whom to sin was sainty", and who encouraged infiltration because his goal was the breaking up of all "religious containers to free God" from the world's dead religions, all of them?

I think the Muslim guy who first wrote about them being Jewish was murdered by the Saudi state.

And the exposers of ongoing Sabbatean groups are equally treated harshly--always a sign of power desiring to stay in the background and exercising major control. According to Barry Chamish (who seemed to have survived intentional car crashes, and perhaps induced strokes while being an Israeli citizen, writing about such things, Israel is really run by radical secular religious hating Sabbatean Jews.

So, a commonality of two neighborly (Sabbatean?) theocratic states of Israel and Saudi Arabia run by the same people with nothing but hatred for their 'own' people's religion and their own libidinousness desire for a police state is quite a grounds for conversation I would think.

Second, there is a wing that works with the Saudis and against it in the USA. As early as the 1973 'oil crisis' (that may have been entirely engineered just as a social experiment [see A Century Of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order, by F. William Engdahl]), there were aired policy moves of attacking Saudi Arabia right then and there to seize the oil.

Third, orignially the neocon plan after 9-11-01 was to sweep over Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Afghanistan at one swoop.

Remember the other shoe that failed to drop after 9-11? Intentionally giving most of the patsies (who WERN'T on the plane hijacking of course, though were all over the TV) Saudi identities?

Why would such a well crafted U.S. state terrorism plan as 9-11, perpetrated by Bushies itching to remake the entire middle east, want to leave out Saudi Arabia? Why cast Saudis and Saudi terrorists as the blame unless they wanted to have some ace in the hole in the mediasphere to 'justify' an attack Saudi Arabia as well?

One of the more evil bland people in the world, Zionist Richard Perle, was even taking kickbacks from Saudi Arabia thorugh his Trireme Partners (a war profiteering security services corporation he started--simultaneous to sitting on the 'Defense Policy Board' and simultaneous to telling the Saudis he would soft pedal his complaints about Saudi Arabia on the board... for a sizable multi hundred of millions of dollars 'security' contract (bribe) loaded into his Trireme.)

However the Plan A group lost out: the oil corporations moved in. Greg Palst writes of this in his most recent book, that there was a Plan A team and a Plan B team. The Plan A was to entirely remake the middle east politically and economically (destroying OPEC).

Plan B jumped in--to veto actual economic privatization, and instead to "work with OPEC"--keeping the desire for political remaking only.

Just a few thoughts.

1/13/2007 12:27:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Okay, quick history quiz. Who said it, Bush or Goebbels:

We could see our venerable part of the world collapse, and bury in its ruins the ancient inheritance of the West. That is the danger we face today.

(Scheisse! That's far too eloquent for...)

1/13/2007 01:01:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Shrubageddon said...

"The American Experiment went over the falls long ago in a canoe full of genocided Indians.

It was always hegemony disguised as Democracy."


We need a truth and reconciliation commission, and to elect Leonard Peltier as President.

There was on our construction crew at one time a Muslim fella of Jewish extraction. As is my habit, I asked him; what was the first book that shaped or changed your thinking?

Bout knocked my socks off when he responded that Sabbatai Tzvi was his great influence. As this person was neither a good worker nor a good thinker he did not last long with the crew. Surely, losers like him cannot win. Can they?

1/13/2007 06:08:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Sabbateanism represents the negative polarity of the luciferic impulse. It wants to tear down. (See end of comment section; last thread for more perspective.) It’s really in league with fascism because as anyone knows, if society is falling down, drastic measures may be called for to control the situation. So sad that these types of people get to do our thinking for us.

Here’s an idea, how bout we learn to think better, so that we do not cede the field to dipshits.

1/13/2007 08:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

*
There is a positive and negative side to all things to keep them in balance --
to keep the Universe going. There are awful and terrible things that must happen, destructive deathly things, and there are good and miraculous things that must happen full of life and creative construction. It seems this would come to each randomly and it seems thus it should continue this way for eternity. This is not true. And this is the essence of Who I Am.

The world is to evolve out of this. There is always another way to do a thing. That way is far away. But it is still a possible way. Destruction and terror will not always be the other way. But until the time comes when destruction and terror are removed the world you must work how the world works. Until that time, that will come in time, this is Me -- a Perfect Balance. This is necessary. Destruction and creation.

Since the time is not yet, and you are in the time that is not yet, destruction and creation are in your hands as they are Mine. Do not be afraid to do these things. Until the time comes where these things have found more peaceable means you must keep the earth in balance. Do not be afraid to destroy. Do not be afraid to create. LISTEN to Me. Create with all of your being. Destroy with all of your being. You will not be more created by creating any more than you will be destroyed by destroying. Are you more created now? Are you here or are you destroyed? You are here. You will be here as long as I am here and that is forever. Listen to what I tell you. If I tell you to create -- do it. And do it with perfection and pleasure. And if I tell you to destroy, do it. Do not hesitate. Destroy with all of your might and pleasure; yes, I tell you to delight in what you have destroyed.

-Satan/Lucifer
*

1/13/2007 09:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When you read the Victor Ostrovsky material as to the workings of the Mossad, and related elements, as to false flag operations etc. together with Daniel Hopsicker's work in Welcome To Terrorland and related writing on the intelligence links to Mohamed Atta, and his fellow foreign agents, as well as the U.S. Intelligence Agencies' previous use of the Venice Airport (shipping in and out during the Iran/Contra treason episode) out of which airport Atta and the others operated leading up to 911 - - it's kind of hard not to see the ugly picture of the fact that the people who are responsible for murdering those 3000 people in NY were not only not prosecuted, or identified, but are still "running" things . . . leading right into another world war . . .

1/13/2007 10:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,this one goes out to the wild child Anonymous,I think you have somethings in your head that are worth saying,maybe you should look into your having your own blog.This is not to disparge your comments,but I would like to hear more of what you have to say away from Jeff's soap box.Now everyone sit down in your Montach chairs and hold on,these fuckers are about to mind zap this place and there is nothing we can do about it,but watch.There is good reason to belive that what ever the final out come off this conflict between"good and bad" will play out in the region that is as old time recorded.What ever they have cooked up for us will hit the world so hard they won't know weither it's real or not,the EDC's they have been pumpen into us will all be activated in synconisty,I just hope they don't blow my familys heads to pieces when it happens.Magick used to be real when everyone belived in it,soon it will be real again,or at least you will not know what is real or vividly imagined,for there is a thin line between the two,later.

1/13/2007 10:56:00 AM  
Blogger JBD said...

Starroute, welcome back. You were sorely missed.

When Anonymous wrote "Ian Anderson/ We remember you..."
I freaked thinking that Ian Anderson, like Robert Anton Wilson, had finally shuffled off this mortal coil...

If you know something I don't....


Another (...set of lyrics) Christmas Song

Hope everybody's ringing on their own bell, this fine morning.
Hope everyone's connected to that long distance phone.
Old man, he's a mountain.
Old man, he's an island.
Old man, he's a-walking says:
"I'm going to call, call all my children home".

Hope everybody's dancing to their own drum this fine morning:
the beat of distant Africa or a Polish factory town.
Old man, he's calling for his supper.
Calling for his whisky.
Calling for his sons and daughters, yeah
calling, calling all his children round.

Sharp ears are tuned in to the drones and chanters warming.
Mist blowing round some headland, somewhere in your memory.
Everyone is from somewhere
even if you've never been there.
So take a minute to remember the part of you
that might be the old man calling me.


How many wars you're fighting out there, this winter's morning?
Maybe it's always time for another Christmas song.
Old man he's asleep now.
He's got appointments to keep now.
Dreaming of his sons and daughters, yeah, proving,
proving that the blood is strong.

1/13/2007 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In case you didn't know, Marilyn Manson is an appointed priest of the Church of Satan and after a quick glance through his recent biography it becomes quite clear that he may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer. This being said, let me add that after hearing some of his fans speak, he still manages to come across like a goth Stephen Hawking by comparison. Radio talk-show host Bob Larsen makes his living inviting Marilyn Manson fans on air to spout their half-baked moronic ideologies (well thought-out quotes like "I don't know Bob, I just think Satan is rad") to a fanbase of dolts and dullards who blindly applaud Bob blowing holes in them. Poor old Beelzebub has gotten a bad name and for once the fundamentalist Christians can't claim all the credit. But the Electric Hellfire Club are out to change all that.

"Being a Satanist is not about wearing black and going to a Marilyn Manson concert--obviously it runs far deeper than that," explains Thomas Thorn, appointed priest of the Church of Satan and EHC's main man. "Satanism is about strength and power and when this country legislates morality by using the Bible, I get very offended. I'm fighting to stop that." Thorn has gone head to head with radio evangelist Bob Larsen three times and has managed to put the fear of God (or someone) into Mr. Larsen's trailer park listenership, getting Bob's goat through being very well spoken and knowledgeable on the subject of Satanism. Throughout our conversation Thomas conducts himself well and doesn't seem like your typical garden variety Slayer-head. "I actually respect Bob Larsen quite a bit," says Thomas, "because at least he can see a direct correlation between what he does and what I do."

The Electric Hellfire Club don't sound like your typical Satanic band playing at the speed of light with a vocalist moaning unintelligibly. Instead, the Hellfire Club choose to combine industrial, pop and metal in a sound they can truly call their own. "A lot of people think that Satanic music has to sound like a jet taking off. Not all of our songs sound dark and diabolical--some of them are catchy pop. I just got a tape from a Satanic band that is folk music, but the lyrics deal with Satanic philosophies."

No matter where you sit on the Marilyn Manson fence you have to admit they have singlehandedly put Satan on the charts with a bullet. The Electric Hellfire Club could be next. "Marilyn Manson have definitely turned Satanism into a youth culture phenomenon and have really opened it up for the rest of us."

As Thomas is talking to me from his home in Kenosha, Wis., I can't help but think that his invitations to neighbours' Tupperware parties will become a rarity once they find out he is a priest in the Church of Satan. "Actually we're really liked here in Kenosha," he says. "People will smile and wave at us, but there is a church across the street from me and when the congregation pass my house they always stop and do the sign of the cross before passing the house. I find it rather flattering."

1/13/2007 12:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He also directed many messenger Demons (with the rubbery bat-like wings and red eyes) onto the mix. They seem to have a penchant for harassing xians and can be wonderful friends, though they don’t speak as far as I know.

......................


SPIRITUAL WARFARE

Many people are enraged when they learn the truth. Each of you who is a warrior for Satan and actively working to destroy his enemies is very important to him. A few seconds of losing control, flying into a rage and bursting out can destroy your entire life and keep you from doing *any* serious damage to the enemy.

A warrior in prison is just that. Ask yourself what you can do for Satan sitting inside a prison cell, after the enemy has used you as an example of how dangerous Satanists are and all their added lies and bullshit paraded before the public. THINK!!

Those of you who are serious about destroying the enemies of Satan only need to go to him and ask for effective ideas on how best YOU as an individual can work to ruin these assholes. What is practical for one person may be impractical for another. Don’t risk yourself. There are many LEGAL ways to get back at these assholes.

Regular rituals of destruction, (don’t forget, destruction rituals performed in the privacy of your own home can level churches and other xian buildings or important structuresof the enemy, by directing destructive elements- fire; water –flooding- pipes can break; you name it- always provide an out for the energy- bad wiring- be specific.

Demons can give some great ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The burning days are over.

These are a really good way to hone up on your black magick skills with something to practice on.

Leaving anti-xian tracts in public places, putting up websites, infiltrating xian chatrooms, groups and forums, and for those of you who are able to- coming out of the closet, bringing more souls to Satan... DO NOT RISK YOURSELVES!! Remember, no one is more valued in the eyes of Satan than an active warrior who is actively fighting his enemies. We are few in number and wasting ourselves is foolish and only gives the enemy more power.

1/13/2007 12:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He also directed many messenger Demons (with the rubbery bat-like wings and red eyes) onto the mix. They seem to have a penchant for harassing xians and can be wonderful friends, though they don’t speak as far as I know.

......................


SPIRITUAL WARFARE

Many people are enraged when they learn the truth. Each of you who is a warrior for Satan and actively working to destroy his enemies is very important to him. A few seconds of losing control, flying into a rage and bursting out can destroy your entire life and keep you from doing *any* serious damage to the enemy.

A warrior in prison is just that. Ask yourself what you can do for Satan sitting inside a prison cell, after the enemy has used you as an example of how dangerous Satanists are and all their added lies and bullshit paraded before the public. THINK!!

Those of you who are serious about destroying the enemies of Satan only need to go to him and ask for effective ideas on how best YOU as an individual can work to ruin these assholes. What is practical for one person may be impractical for another. Don’t risk yourself. There are many LEGAL ways to get back at these assholes.

Regular rituals of destruction, (don’t forget, destruction rituals performed in the privacy of your own home can level churches and other xian buildings or important structuresof the enemy, by directing destructive elements- fire; water –flooding- pipes can break; you name it- always provide an out for the energy- bad wiring- be specific.

Demons can give some great ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The burning days are over.

These are a really good way to hone up on your black magick skills with something to practice on.

Leaving anti-xian tracts in public places, putting up websites, infiltrating xian chatrooms, groups and forums, and for those of you who are able to- coming out of the closet, bringing more souls to Satan... DO NOT RISK YOURSELVES!! Remember, no one is more valued in the eyes of Satan than an active warrior who is actively fighting his enemies. We are few in number and wasting ourselves is foolish and only gives the enemy more power.

1/13/2007 12:35:00 PM  
Blogger JBD said...

You would think that an all-powerful deity could do a bit better than allow itself to be represented by such a tiresome, ineffectual, and annoying internet poster with dubious cognitive abilities but I guess some deities go into battle with the army they have, rather than the army they wish they had....

beggars having little choice and all

1/13/2007 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Right on JBD

Lucifer’s minion;

The desire for destruction is the swan song for the passing of a poisoned consciousness.

May you rest in pieces.

1/13/2007 01:14:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Check-mate. You lose. Now go slime away.

1/13/2007 01:18:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

I've been thinking about this Stalingrad parallel for a while now, but useful as it is, I think we're treading on new ground here. When Stalingrad went down, the White Rose stepped up its campaign, sensing that the time to act was upon them and that the coming downfall would be very brutal indeed.

This is some of the rhetoric that seems to place our Stalingrad right next to theirs:

Nothing is so unworthy of a civilised nation as allowing itself to be governed without opposition by an irresponsible clique that has yielded to base instinct. It is certain that today every honest German is ashamed of his government. Who among us has any conception of the dimensions of shame that will befall us and our children when one day the veil has fallen from our eyes and the most horrible of crimes — crimes that infinitely outdistance every human measure — reach the light of day?

And there are these two, which again seem to back up Jeff's point:

Many, perhaps most, of the readers of these leaflets do not see clearly how they can practice an effective opposition. They do not see any avenues open to them. We want to try to show them that everyone is in a position to contribute to the overthrow of this system.

and:

Every word that comes from Hitler's mouth is a lie. When he says peace, he means war, and when he blasphemously uses the name of the Almighty, he means the power of evil, the fallen angel, Satan. His mouth is the foul-smelling maw of Hell, and his might is at bottom accursed. True, we must conduct a struggle against the National Socialist terrorist state with rational means; but whoever today still doubts the reality, the existence of demonic powers, has failed by a wide margin to understand the metaphysical background of this war.

But it's this one, from the Fourth Leaflet, that tells me it's wrong to think there's a parallel between the evils of different these "different" eras:

The imperialist ideology of force, from whatever side it comes, must be shattered for all time.

The reason it's wrong to think in terms of comparison between then and now is because it's the same era, after all. "The imperialist ideology of force" was never shattered or even discredited. When we ran the first Saddam Trial & Public Hanging Show in Nuremberg, it wasn't for the purpose of repudiating imperialism--it was to whitewash the sins of our Nazis and to sanitize the victory of those Nazis with the de-Baathification of our presumed "enemies".

They've shown their true colors from time to time since then--most notably in letting those Negros get all uppity when MLK was embarrassing the crackers in Alabama, but then taking him out when he called Vietnam the vile imperialist adventure that it was. Is anyone as brave as Dr. King or the White Rose today? Well, sure, but who listens to crackpot theorists, anyway?

For more in this vein from a Black perspective, try Prometheus 6, which has the temerity to run articles like this one:

Joe Lieberman is a lying sack of shit, whom Bush rightly associates with himself (6)

1/13/2007 01:49:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Shifting gears...

On Ian Anderson's passing

I was alarmed by Ian's appearance in the Christmas video, which I can't seem to find now, but he sounds hale & hearty in his latest entry from Ian Anderson's Diary - January 2007:

My hope and belief is that when the great American public get motivated and demand of their political leaders the opportunity to make the necessary personal and industrial changes, that America will show the way to the rest of the world.

The traditional Detroit auto industry, so long in the doldrums and lagging behind Asia, can rebuild, retool and reinvent the personal transport of tomorrow if it chooses the right way now. The resources are there. The workforce is there. The management is there. All it takes is the realisation that combating climate change is not some form of Federal Government-imposed industrial and economic punishment but the chance to stimulate the national and world economies with new thought and direction.

At the Detroit Motor Show this month, a new prototype by General Motors, the Chevrolet Volt, was unveiled. Designed to produce 120 miles per hour, 150 staggering miles to the gallon, and 0 – 60 in 8 seconds, this would provide sports car performance from an electric car. A hybrid only in the sense that it has an on-board petrol-fueled generator to charge the batteries. If this is to be believed, it seems to show that the car industry can change and maybe the aviation industry too, in time.

Alternative energy investment and the transport industries re-thinking their futures, both technologically and commercially – even morally – have to be high on the agenda for America as well as the rest of the world. Like a fine wine, complex and slow to start but with a great finish, the USA can really influence the world if it wants to. The chance is there now to impact internationally and in infinitely more productive ways than the by some other results of US and UK foreign policy over the last years. Don’t get me started.


Unfortunately, Ian, that foreign policy business is going to force all the good news about sustainability to take a back seat while we grab out collective ankles and hope for the best. Still, thanks for the memories. For fans, I've got two nice links. The first, Tull segment from radio Christmas special including two songs and Ian's poetry reading, is some very peaceful stuff, while the second is a media index of all things Tull.

One less brown mouse sitting in a cage...and the world is poorer for it.

1/13/2007 02:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The keepers of the "Doomsday Clock" plan to move its hands forward next Wednesday to reflect what they call worsening nuclear and climate threats to the world.

The symbolic clock, maintained by the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, currently is set at seven minutes to midnight, with midnight marking global catastrophe.

The group did not say in which direction the hands would move. But in a news release previewing an event next Wednesday, they said the change was based on "worsening nuclear, climate threats" to the world.

"The major new step reflects growing concerns about a 'Second Nuclear Age' marked by grave threats, including: nuclear ambitions in Iran and North Korea, unsecured nuclear materials in Russia and elsewhere, the continuing 'launch-ready' status of 2,000 of the 25,000 nuclear weapons held by the U.S. and Russia, escalating terrorism, and new pressure from climate change for expanded civilian nuclear power that could increase proliferation risks," the release reads.

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The clock was last pushed forward by two minutes to seven minutes to midnight in 2002 amid concerns about the proliferation of nuclear, biological and other weapons and the threat of terrorism.

When it was created by the magazine's staff in 1947, it was initially set at seven minutes to midnight and has moved 17 times since then.

It was as close as two minutes to midnight in 1953 following U.S. and Soviet hydrogen bomb tests, and as far away as 17 minutes to midnight in 1991 after the superpowers reached agreement on a nuclear arms reductions.

1/13/2007 05:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good post, Jeff.

Rest in Peace to Robert Anton Wilson--truly feels like dark times. A dark night of the collective soul, may we each find our ways to wake up from the horror show and cede it no more power.

Satan troll--you are indeed checkmated. Just another ideologue for a crypto-nazi-Order of Nine Angles cult to draw in ignorant and anti-semitic rural kids. It only takes a little googling to know what you're doing here and the bait won't be taken. Joy of Satan? If that's the Joy of Hate and Scapegoating, then we here will gladly pass on it--got enough of that in the White House, thanks.

--Totino

1/13/2007 07:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Ivan Johnson said...

Just a passing thought and question...does anyone know why or find it even the least bit curious that Iran´s main nuclear facility is named...BUSHEHR?

1/13/2007 07:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Fellow Citizens....take a gander at our destiny as the world progresses (if you can call that progress) towards global feudalism.

Killings bring the city to its bloodied knees.

NEW ORLEANS - The Big Easy’s murder rate is staggering. In a single, recent 24-hour period six people died, including a 36-year-old mother gunned down in front of her husband and 2-year-old in their own home.

Two hours after I arrived at work Friday morning, two more victims were found dead, bringing the total number to 14 people killed in one week.

Even to a city with a history of violence it’s frightening. Peter Scharf is a noted criminologist with the University of New Orleans. He’s been crunching the numbers. Murder rates are usually calculated by number of killings per 100,000 residents.

“The average in the United States is 6.2 homicides per 100,000 people,” he says. “New York City is right at 6.2, Boston is right about 12, Houston at 13. New Orleans for the whole year is about 73 per 100,000. For the last two quarters, from June 30 through the end of the year, we're at well over 90 per 100,000.”

The New Orleans Times-Picayune summed up the situation in this headline across the top of Page 1 Friday morning: “Killings bring the city to its bloodied knees...............


I guess Nagin's Chocolate City is now Nagin's Chocolate Cherry City.

As far as I'm concerned, New Orleans is a microcosm of where we are headed....and that's not even the worst case scenario by a long shot.

Please don't choose the Big Easy as the venue for the first Consciousness Be-In. I'd hate to see some of you coming back coffins, orgone draped, or otherwise.

1/13/2007 08:46:00 PM  
Anonymous jon said...

"Why cast Saudis and Saudi terrorists as the blame...?"

i always suspected it was a shot across the saudi bow, so to speak, essentially saying, 'look, when we begin to overrun your backyard, don't even think of stepping out of line: we can always use the fact that *your* countrymen were accused of perpetrating the attacks, remember, to put you on our to-do list in the region.'

that or it was an attempt to give the house of saud (widely unpopular at home and attached at the hip to the US Complex) the excuse THEY needed to mop up their fundie enemies within. after all, empires always fear organic, grassroots uprisings, of course, and ours is no different. fundie muslims exist, and are indeed a threat to the octopus, and the octopus always seeks to preempt them in staging deeds blamed on the fundies to use as a pretext for a crackdown. (much in the way timothy mcveigh, like a good homegrown terrorist, was widely accused of having visited waco and ruby ridge before NOT blowing up the alfred murrah building: he provided The Powers a convenient excuse for prosecuting midwestern militias, as detailed at the end of "the franklin coverup.")

ergo, why NOT use saudis, even a saudi prince like a bin laden?

1/13/2007 09:42:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

al queda I still don't know how it's spelled..has been and always will be a "code" for the internet community. separate the wheat from the chaff. "They" never did exist and it's hard to pin the tale on a donkey when you're travelling at light speed and you're inter-dimensional.. As they say, the lie is.....

1/13/2007 10:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yo, Iridescent, everybody knows who Ian Anderson is (or thinks his name was Jethro), but do you know - Christy Moore?

1/14/2007 12:30:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Not really, but I do now. Thanks. I love this bit from his autobiographical sketch, the page on the '90s and the great loss in his life:

Nancy died in 1992 but I still talk to her and I miss her too but she’s not gone too far away. I was finally cut loose from my moorings.

I'll check out his music, as I really dig all that Celtic stuff, although the Celtic rockers from the '70s were my real favorite--Horslips, especially. (Mark Ungar's Celtic Power Hour is on hiatus until he can upgrade his computer, but it's really brilliant when it's on.) Then there's the Welsh scene (Man). Great larks!

1/14/2007 12:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are not “theistic”, “traditional”, or any other “type” of Satanic organization. We are Satanists. And we are also able magicians.

Since the United States of America does not HAVE a system of sorcery, but rather a system of “worship” to a “God” that nobody has ever heard of (except the Hebrews) – there is this “Hebrew God” to be worshipped and nothing more.

The Roman Catholic Church is a rebellion against this Hebrew doctrine,
and the protestant Christian Churches are rebels against the Roman Catholic Church papacy.

Yet all three of these religions retain the same God, and consider themselves the “good” portion of The United States of America. By majority, all other practices and idols, and forms of any sorcery are condemned as “evil” and “Satanic”.

Then very simply, we are by this standard, Satanic. Completely, and only.

We commune with “Satan” and “Demons” spiritually. Therefore, our magical classification is Spiritual Satanism. Aside from this magical classification, we are Satanists.

Simple.

No bones about it.

Your opinions do not concern us. How we came to be is an ignorant question because the fact is: we are. And we will continue to be and go about our business.

Satanically.

Truth is without the internet which is soooooo evil with th porn an all.

It would take YEARS to correlate what we are doing is sharing Information.

You decide.


...................................
Helen Keller was born in Tuscumbia, Alabama on June 27, 1880. At the age of 19 months, she lost her sight and hearing as a result of meningitis.

Her pilgrimage from Tuscumbia to worldwide recognition, is an inspiring story which took her from silence and darkness to a life of vision and advocacy. Against overwhelming odds, she waged a seemingly impossible battle to re-enter the world she had lost.

With the help of her teacher, Anne Sullivan, she became the first blind-deaf person to effectively communicate with the sighted and hearing world. In so doing, she became an international celebrity from the age of eight, even before the era of mass communications.

Escaping from the "double dungeon of darkness and silence".

Helen Keller grew into a world famous, highly intelligent, articulate and sensitive woman who wrote, spoke and labored incessantly for the betterment of others.

After graduating college in 1904, she announced that her life would be dedicated to the amelioration of blindness.

Throughout her life, she regarded herself as a “world citizen”, visiting 35 countries on five continents between 1939 and 1957. Helen Keller was one of the most powerful symbols of triumph over adversity our era has produced, leading Winston Churchill to call her, "the greatest woman of our age."



Quotes by Helen Keller

Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, ambition inspired, and success achieved.



Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure.



Many persons have a wrong idea of what constitutes true happiness. It is not attained through self-gratification but through fidelity to a worthy purpose.



No pessimist ever discovered the secret of the stars or sailed an unchartered land, or opened a new doorway for the human spirit.



One can never consent to creep when one feels an impulse to soar.



People do not like to think. If one thinks, one must reach conclusions. Conclusions are not always pleasant.



Self-pity is our worst enemy and if we yield to it, we can never do anything good in the world.



Smell is a potent wizard that transports you across thousand of miles and all the years you have lived.



The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched. They must be felt within the heart.


When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.



When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is wrought in our life, or in the life of another.



The highest result of education is tolerance.



Science may have found a cure for most evils; but it has found no remedy for the worst of them all - the apathy of human beings.



Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature... Life is either a daring adventure or nothing!!!!!

....................................
Open your mind.

1/14/2007 02:56:00 AM  
Anonymous . said...

For what purpose are we created?

1/14/2007 03:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1.Have you ever opened up your chakras through power meditation?


2.Have you ever experienced Kundalini?


Truly what do you know without the experience?


It does work to empower us and we are the thankful to Lucifer/Satan for this gift.


tran·scend Pronunciation (trn-snd)
v. tran·scend·ed, tran·scend·ing, tran·scends
v.tr.
1. To pass beyond the limits of: emotions that transcend understanding.
2. To be greater than, as in intensity or power; surpass: love that transcends infatuation. See Synonyms at excel.
3. To exist above and independent of (material experience or the universe): "One never can see the thing in itself, because the mind does not transcend phenomena" Hilaire Belloc.
v.intr.
To be transcendent; excel.

1/14/2007 03:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

True Satanism is about elevating and empowering humanity, which was our True Creator Satan/Lucifer's intention.

We practice power meditation to advance spiritually and to elevate ourselves.

Power meditation is as essential for the human soul as food is essential for the human body.

The serpent, a symbol of Satan represents the firey kundalini force coiled at the base of the spine, which upon ascending, transforms the human mind and soul to a much higher level of understanding and ability. This is the true meaning of "Raising the Devil."

The Serpent symbol of Satan also represents the DNA helix of life.

We work directly with Satan. We believe each and every person who is willing and respectful can have a personal relationship with Satan. There are no mediators in Spiritual Satanism.

I lead to the straight path without a revealed book.

1/14/2007 03:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Al -Queda = wild card= code for people in the internet community sharing way too much information.

This is much to their extreme dislike of many from you name it, I mean you can't please everyone so you have got please yourself.

So maybe time before twelve for the internet is also closer.



Compartmentalized they relie on no ordinary c4 standard.


When will they use it to shut down net?



They PTB are AWARE check out this cool link on intergration linking everyone up to a (cental) c4 net.


http://hqinet001.hqmc.usmc.mil/c4/default.asp
Command, Control, Communications and Computers - C4

Computers and the internet have changed the parameters of engagement.

Just like GPS which people think is for auto navigation, really it is for killing.

The net is also two bladed to the creators of it.

A monster that may need to be destroyed and replaced with a secure net where all is controlled and monitored.


Are we all the enemy now then?

from,

Interested in the Occult

1/14/2007 05:18:00 AM  
Blogger jules said...

I wonder if we are here, cos life needs us.

Here's a theory.

The big bang is a metaphor. It exists next door in shadowland or the dreamtime or whatever.

Kundalini/Chi/Kia is an energy best described by saying "Oh its the big bang."

This energy flows from next door to here.

However its too full on for the earth and the life we have on it. Its hard enough for life to survive in a bushfire, let alone a volcano, let alone the sun.

So its got Buckleys of continuing in this form inside the big bang.

So life (and humans, cos its our role) create structures that are able to chanel energy through various canals.

Like irrigation channeling water, more than Shirley mcclean channeling whatever it was, (Andrew Peacocks ego probably.)

Humans role to mediate this, through using sacred sites/acts/art to help give form to the energy. By enacting creation rituals, accessing the dreamtime and becoming creator spirit, or the spirits.

The cultural structure of totemism is an example of how this works. creating songs stories and art about the relationship of individual aspects of life to all of life. You know as above so below and all that.

As these rituals and artworks or performances take place in the area where earth meets heaven, the sacred spaces where rituals are enacted, they are mirrored by life on earth - they are the results of the creator spirits actions.

Contained in the hum between voice and drum, if you like.

The way humans do this reflects the world they create, and in some ways the history of Australia is an example of that, look at the extinction records...

Or perhaps we could look at the current trends in the west and what is happening in the world as a result.

Anyway its getting late.

Jeff i might flog this comment and take it a bit further and stick it at To Hell With Culture too.

Its gonna get lost in the noise here.

BTW to the anon Satanist, stop flogging your ideas from hinduism and think something original.

This might be unmitigated garbage but at least it has a sense of originality about it, (despite all the stuff thats flogged from PJ Carrol and others.)

Its all changed again, these day god is a DJ and Satan is the cops that want to bust the party.

1/14/2007 05:55:00 AM  
Blogger jules said...

BTW First poster, is that u hugh?

If it is hi. hope alls well.

1/14/2007 05:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

May the fire of intellect, the soul's light to mind
Show us the torchbearer's path to the height he climbed,
And may the material of thought fuel the flame of insight
On the journey of our souls in the quest for right.


"Things are in the saddle, and ride mankind. "



"To believe your own thought, to believe that what is true for you in your private heart is true for all men - that is genius. "


People only see what they are prepared to see.



In skating over thin ice, our safety is in our speed.


It was a high counsel that I once heard given to a young person, "Always do what you are afraid to do."

Courage consists of the power of self-recovery.


We are the prisoners of ideas.


Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.


To be great is to be misunderstood.



It is one of the most beautiful compensations of life, that no man can sincerely try to help another without helping himself.


All life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better.


The end of the human race will be that it will eventually die of civilization.


Truth is beautiful, without doubt; but so are lies.




The world is all gates, all opportunities, strings of tension waiting to be struck.


We aim above the mark to hit the mark.


Faith and love are apt to be spasmodic in the best minds. Men live the brink of mysteries and harmonies into which they never enter, and with their hands on the door-latch they die outside


When it's dark enough men see stars.


Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet. Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or where it will end.



Ralph Waldo Emerson,
a nineteenth century poet and visionary essayist, elucidated a philosophy of life based on the inner resources of the self and revelation from the divine presence of the soul.

1/14/2007 06:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is that more to your liking?

1/14/2007 06:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kundalini is like the big bang?

Is that a joke?


The universe is a big place, filled with surprises, and including realms far beyond everyday experience.


The conventional Big Bang model provides an excellent fit to observations, as long as we impose very specific initial conditions at early times:

An expanding universe with almost the same density at all points in space, but with small perturbations that eventually grow into galaxies today.

However, although galaxies are spread evenly throughout space, they are not static as a function of time; Hubble's second great discovery is that the universe is expanding.

The concept of an expanding universe can be a tricky one, so it is worth being careful about what we mean.

It is best to think of space itself stretching, so that the amount of space between any two distant galaxies is increasing. The observable phenomenon that leads us to this conclusion is the redshift: as light travels from one galaxy to another, its wavelength is stretched as the universe expands, reaching the second galaxy having been shifted to the red (longer wavelengths). We therefore see relatively nearby galaxies slightly redshifted, and very distant galaxies extremely redshifted.

Since we see distant galaxies moving away from us, it is tempting to think that we are in the center of something big.

But that's an incorrect impression; if we were living on any one of the other galaxies, we would still see all the galaxies moving directly away from us, as a consequence of the general expansion.

There is no center to the universe, nor any preferred location; it's basically the same everywhere.

Likewise, the universe is not (so far as we know) expanding "into" anything; it's just that the amount of space in our single universe is growing with time.


If we can extrapolate into the past, we can also extrapolate into the future.


The problem there, of course, is that we have no observational data to check our speculations.

Strictly speaking, therefore, we really don't know what the far future history of the universe will bring.

Our best current models, in which the universe is dominated by dark matter and dark energy, predict that it is likely for the universe to continue expanding forever, becoming increasingly cold and dark as time goes by.

However, our current ideas are still speculative, so it pays to keep an open mind.

1/14/2007 07:08:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Hubble's red shift was not a 'discovery'. It was an ad-hoc abstraction applied so as to make sense of the observed red shift.

How about considering the notion that light that travels great distances is lowered in frequency because of collisions and interaction with material along the way. To complicated for science to consider this speculation I suppose.

Science is still so happy and geeked about their Hubble speculations.

If you want folk to be impressed with your ability at regurgitating accepted 'knowledge', then go back to school; they love that stuff there, and then you both can get the validation that you so crave.

1/14/2007 07:54:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Sorry about the catty remark in the proceeding post. A minor and temporary slip into a negative polarity expression. It is in the greater interest after all, for more conventional thinking people to be welcomed into this less bounded speculative world. So thanks for putting up with some weird stuff in the hope of finding more sensible possibilities, you are just like the rest of us.

1/14/2007 09:04:00 AM  
Blogger echoe said...

When we can better understand our own habits of our existance, then we can truly be free...
...But troubles occurs:

we TRY to escape from any habits which cause us discomfort or seeming to, meanwhile, forming a deeper dependancy upon the very matrix within our minds which cause us to act in ways we do not intend, thus, perpetuating the symptoms.

Americans are so *ucked up, we think the mind is in the head, thats why we tip over all the time, thats why when we are left to float, we just sink, because our heads are too *ucking big! The mind resides in the belly. And the spirit doesn't reside in us, we reside in the spirit.
peace out-

1/14/2007 10:11:00 AM  
Anonymous mulebone said...

"One can never consent to creep when one feels an impulse to soar."

With all apologies to Miss Keller,

"Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines."

or

"If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked
something."

or

"When everything is coming your way, you're in the wrong lane."

or

"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy."

or

"Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now."

or

"Drugs may lead to nowhere, but at least it's the scenic route."

1/14/2007 10:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Evan Palmer said...

So many battles being simultaneously waged:
(1) between what different people want
(2) between what different people think ougth to be (want and ought often diverge)
(3) between what different people see as the actual or real situation & analyses
(4) between what different people do
(5) between want, ought, perceived actual and actual actions

All of the above being powered by various intentions, motivations, desires, memories, past experiences, beliefs..

It's a wonder we're not at war with each other all the time (oh yeah, we are sorta)

We need something that can cut through all of the above cleanly & completely, grounding everyone to same reality and understanding.. sounds like ...

1/14/2007 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MDMA which some say should have been called empathy instead of xtc is needed.

Anyway I know you all are capable of doing your own research and will end it at that.

Peace

1/14/2007 12:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Empathy is often characterized as the ability to "put oneself into another's shoes", or experiencing the outlook or emotions of another being within oneself, a sort of emotional resonance.

1/14/2007 12:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

said above:

"Ralph Waldo Emerson,
a nineteenth century poet and visionary essayist, elucidated a philosophy of life based on the inner resources of the self and revelation from the divine presence of the soul."


"Inner resources of the self!" Him?

Ah! That Emerson!

1. Sponsored by Skull and Bonesers opium wealth for his writing career,:

Partner, Russell and Co., John Murray Forbes (1813-98): his opium millions financed the career of author Ralph Waldo Emerson, and Emerson married "Opium Forbes"'s daughter (John Murray Forbes additionally bankrolled establishment of eugenicist Alexander Graham Bell’s Bell Telephone Company (along with the Gardiners, Bell's father-in-laws); Bell telephone's first president was 'Opium Forbes'’s son.)

2. And Emerson was in the thick of the most powerful corporate heads of his era, the British East India Company--

3. all the while thinking he was paragon of Self-reliance (one of his famous essays)

Similarly, the British East Indian Company networks he ran in, global corporate monopolists that they were were working on their own attempts at artificial moralization--working on creating the same memes of 'free self-reliant markets' (which suited their already achieved monopolization).

"In 1832–33, Emerson toured Europe, a trip that he would later write about in English Traits (1856). During this trip, he met William Wordsworth, Samuel Taylor Coleridge, John Stuart Mill [head of Board of Correspondences, i.e,. 'intelligence services and global policy response' for the BEIC; Mill's father worked for the BEIC as well: wrote their first British corporate version of Indian history talking of developmental benefits of Brits/BEIC solving starvation difficulties of Indian history--when really the Brits started the massive famines in India [cite: _Late Victorian Holocausts, by Mike Davis]], and Mill's sponsored historical re-writer crony Thomas Carlyle was close to Emerson. Carlyle was ordered to write a "re-history" of the French Revolution to hide BEIC shenanigans in it. Then Mill spun its "greatness" in the press, and the rest was 're-history' [cite: Treason in America].

Emerson maintained a correspondence with the Mill-created Carlyle until the latter's death in 1881. Emerson served as Carlyle's agent in the U.S.

Emerson: "Self-reliance," "inner strength,"...or just institutionalized racial privilege so blinkered that they think it was self-generated overlordship? You decide.

1/14/2007 01:11:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Did someone say empathy? Pardon the dump, but I promise it's worth it. It's an excerpt from an interview on 92Y Blog called Talking Primates with Dr. Frans de Waal. It's also well worth following the link and reading in its entirety, escpecially for the further links you'll find there, but this should be enough to get a raging discussion going, unlike that tepid demon soup we've been supping on of late:

Q. Our Inner Ape examines stereotypes of “animalistic” and “humane” behavior among people, and compares those stereotypes to similar behavior seen among chimpanzees and bonobos. What do you think is the most important lesson that the behavior of our fellow primates holds for us?

A. While my adoptive country is in a tizzy about Intelligent Design, I see one glaring design flaw in our species. An obviously aggressive primate has been equipped with a brain large enough to develop the ghastliest weapons. We are related to chimpanzees, who no doubt would use these weapons if they had them. They are violent and territorial, like we are. But we’re equally close to bonobos, the make-love-not-war cousins of the chimpanzee, which are excellent at resolving tensions and far more peaceful.

The main message from my book is that we should look at both of these close relatives, and consider that human nature is not all bad, nasty and selfish. It includes lots of positive tendencies. We are endowed with ways to hold aggression in check and to empathize, even with [our] enemies. These tendencies, too, are part of our evolutionary background.

Q. You are originally from the Netherlands, where you studied the chimpanzees of your first book, Chimpanzee Politics, before moving to the United States in 1981. Did the experience of migrating from one culture to another have any influence on your observation of culture among apes?

A. The main effect of my cultural background is that I believe in tolerance and consensus-building, much more so than Americans, who have an extremely individualistic culture. This is reflected in my work. I like to think that this is not because I project my values onto the animals I study, but rather that I look at them in a different light. I am interested in conflict resolution, a topic that [has been] largely ignored by those who [have grown up] in cultures with a thoroughly competitive spirit. As a result, I discovered reconciliation behavior in chimpanzees (they kiss and embrace after fights)—a behavior that is now well-established in over twenty-five primate species as well as in non-primates, such as dolphins and hyenas. Many scientists are working on this topic now. This discovery has also led to studies of peacemaking among human children, but curiously our knowledge of human peacemaking lags behind current knowledge about animals.

Call me cynical, but I don't think the peace knowledge gap is exactly "curious"...maybe par for the course, entirely predictable, etc. Of course, de Waal, brilliant guy that he is, comes from the country where Sex, Drugs & Democracy was filmed, so this might explain his puzzlement over his adoptive country's "thinking".

1/14/2007 01:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, I'm against drugs being legalized, and this is why. Last weekend, my friend and I went into a farm, took some mushrooms, and we sat on a field. I looked up into the sky and saw God. He told me that there is nothing to fear, that he loves every single creature on this planet, and he showered gifts of forgiveness and love onto the Earth, and I realised that there was nothing to fear, and I loved everything … Now, if that isn't a bad thing for this country, I don't know what is. How can we continue to make weapons if we love everything?

Bill Hicks

1/14/2007 01:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Dr. Bombay said...

"I belive in drug testing for
everyone. You should get out
there and test every drug
you can."
Bill "Spaceman" Lee

1/14/2007 02:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 900 mile wide question

In nine months, September 2007, NASA will have a closer look at the constructed tetrahedral faceted 900 mile spheroid alien spaceship, orbiting at the most far distant canted angle around Saturn unlike all of its other closer moons, AKA, "Iapetus."

"The 2007 Cassini fly-by should send us close-ups of these extraordinary features that are literally 1000 times better... than these:

Read the three parts here:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm
and 2 and 3

"Iapetus" (for lack of another name for the faceted 900 mile wide "it", for the moment) looks quite like the "Death Star" of Star Wars fame actually, and it seems constructed from geodesic architecture giving the horizon line of "it" regular straight edge facets 100s of miles long, surface square city block features visible in some areas, and hexagonal 'craters' of collapse, instead of impact. Oh, there's a huge vertically straight (and perfectly at the equator) 12 mile high 'weld' running around "it" as well.

What did George Lucas know?

And what did Arthur C. Clarke know?

In his novel 2001 he put 'the Monolith', that symbol of alien intelligence and alien intervention in the human species in our solar system "around a moon of Saturn...."

The Brookings Institute had some public relations in 1960. Their their New York Times article 'Mankind is Warned to Prepare for Discovery of Life in Space', where they opined that discovery of aliens or alien archaeological finds would "destroy human civilization"--possibly along the lines of Bill Hicks envisioned above, with lots of petty earth politics evaporating.

Of course others may attempt to use it as a sign to create the weaponization of space, as mentioned earlier...

Title: Triangles,the Weaponization of Space & the Fake Alien Threat: 2 high level 'outs' compared
2006.08.07 12:01
Description: Werner von Braun vs. Phil Schneider go head to head. Is there an alien threat, or is it just a ploy to get the weaponization of space from which people have been on record wanting to condition people to accept such a "danger" to justify military budgets and their own global Naziesque path to power and eventually dominating the earth from space--instead of protecting it from space? This is a comment posted from "Rigorous Intuition v.2.0" http://rigint.blogspot.com/2006/08/area-911.html

1/14/2007 02:32:00 PM  
Anonymous biloxi said...

WayneMadsenReport is "deep inside the beltway" and has a petition everyone needs to sign to bring the criminally insane war criminals to justice. thanks

1/14/2007 04:18:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Nice comments folks. We seem to be cooking with gas again.

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People have a right to get stoned. They have a right to think and explore their own minds. This is as intimate a part of their being as their sexuality. Any culture which mitigates that is clearly afraid of a full and fair and open dialogue about what reality is and what real human values ought to be. —Terence McKenna

Merely forbidding natural substances and policing the population for compliance is an inadequate means of controlling potentially dangerous drugs in a free society.

This policy is failing to protect both our rights and our safety. Since demand for consciousness altering substances is legitimate and will always exist, prohibition maintains a state of these substances being perpetually and completely out of control.

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1/14/2007 05:05:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

I am with you echoe and Evan,

Our minds may not best be seen as the product of localized expressions of situation, rather our situations may be the localized expression of a larger mind.

I am reaching for words here, (not very well perhaps), in short one may assert that consciousness precedes being or that being is congealed consciousness.

Define yourself or be defined.

Maybe rather than maintain the conceit that we think with our minds, we might consider that the larger mind thinks with or through us.

1/14/2007 07:14:00 PM  
Blogger Tsoldrin said...

Be cool or be cast out.


Curiosity. What perchance could possibly be the evolutionary imperative for God to create people, or vice versa?

1/14/2007 10:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From Joseph Campbell: “Myths to Live By”

“I have chosen a few characteristic passages (from the Bible) that we shall all—I am sure—readily recognize, and which rehearsed in the present context, may help us to realize that we have been bred to one of the most brutal war mythologies of all time.

“”When the Lord your God brings you into the land which you are entering to take possession of it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Gigashites, and Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than yourselves, and when the Lord your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them, then you must utterly destroy them, you shall make no covenant with them and show them no mercy. You shall not make marriages with them, giving your daughters for your sons. For they would turn away your sons from following me, to serve other gods, then the anger of the Lord would be kindled against you, and he would destroy you utterly. But thus shall you deal with them, you shall break down their alters, and dash in pieces their graven images with fire. For you are a people holy to the Lord your God, the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for his own possession, out of all the people on the face of the Earth. (Deuteronomy 7: 1-6)””

“”When you draw near a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; and when the Lord your God gives it into your hand you shall put all its males to the sword, but the woman and the little ones, the cattle, and everything else in the city, all its spoils, you shall take as booty for yourselves, and you shall enjoy the spoils of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you. Thus you shall do to all the cities which are very far from you, which are not cities of the nations here. But in the cities of these people that the Lord your God gives you for and inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded. (Deuteronomy 20: 10-18)”

“”And when the Lord God brings you into the land which he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give you, with great and goodly cities, which you did not build, and houses full of all good things, which you did not fill, and cisterns hewn out which you did not hewn, and vineyards, and olive trees which you did not plant, and where you eat and are full, then take heed lest you forget the Lord, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. (Deuteronomy 6: 10-12)

And when, in reading, we move on from Deuteronomy to the greatest war book of all, of Joshua, there is- most famous of all—the legend of the fall of Jericho.
And then, the very same Lord so frequently cited by our doves of peace today as having taught” Thou Shall Not Kill.
This mythology is very much alive today. And of course, to complete the picture, the Arabs have their divinely authorized mythology, too. For they, too, are a people who, according the their legend, are of the seed of Abraham: the progeny of Ishmael, his first and eldest son, Moreover, according to this history, confirmed in the Koran, it was Abraham and Ishmael who built in Mecca the sanctuary of Ka’ava,, which is the uniting central symbol and shrine of the entire Arab world and all of Islam. The Arabs revere and derive their beliefs from the same prophets as the Hebrews. They honor Abraham, honor Moses. They greatly honor Solomon. They honor Jesus too, as a prophet. Mohammed, however, is their ultimate prophet, and from him—who was a considerable warrior himself—they have derived their fanatic mythology of unrelenting war in God’s name.
The jihad, the duty of Holy War, is a concept developed from certain passages of the Koran which, were interpreted as defining the bounden duty of every Muslim male who is free, full of age, in full possession of his intellectual powers, and physically fit for service. “Fighting is prescribed for you,” we read in the Koran, Sura 2 verse 216, “True, you have an antipathy to it; however, it is possible that your antipathy is to something that is never the less good for you. God knows, and you know not.” “to fight in the cause of Truth is the highest form of Charity” What can you offer that is more important than your own life?” All lands not belonging to “the territory of Islam” are to be conquered and are known, therefore, as the “territory of war,” “ I am commanded,” the Prophet is reported to have said,” to fight until men bear witness, there is no god but God and his Messenger is Mohammed.”
These are the two war mythologies that are even today confronting each other in the highly contentious Near East and may yet explode our planet.
However, to return in thought to the past, of which our present is the continuation: the old Biblical ideal of offering a holocaust to Yahweh by massacring every living thing in a captured town or city was but the Hebrew version of a custom general to the early Semites. However, about the middle of the eighth century BC the Assyrian Tiglath Pilesar III noticed that when everybody in a conquered province is slain there is no one left to enslave. Yet, if they remain alive, they presently pull themselves together, and one has a revolt to put down, he invented the procedure, therefore, of transferring populations from one region to another, when a city had been taken, its entire population was condemned to forced labor elsewhere and the inhabitants of that other place transferred to the vacated site. The idea was effective and caught on; so that by the time two centuries more had elapsed, the entire Near East had been unsettled. There was hardly a land-rooted people left. When Israel fell its people were not massacred, as they would have been half a century earlier. They were taken somewhere else, and another people (known later as the Samaritans) was brought to inhabit their former kingdom. And so also when Jerusalem fell in the year 586, its people were not massacred but were transferred to Babylon.
But then there came to pass, very suddenly, and altogether radical transformation of the whole mythology of the Near East, with the sudden appearance and brilliant victories of the Aryan Persians over every nation of the ancient world save Greece, Babylon fell in the year 539 B.C. to Cyrus the Great, whose idea for the government of an empire, however, was neither to massacre not to uproot, but to return peoples to their places, restoring them to their gods and governing them through subordinate kings of their own races and traditions. Thus became the first King of Kings. And the title presently of the Lord God of Israel himself whose people Cyrus restored to their city and encouraged to the rebuilding of their Temple. In Isaiah 45 this gentile is even celebrated as a virtual Messiah, the anointed servant of Yahweh, the work of whose hand had been the work, actually, of Yahweh’s hand for the restoration of his people to their sacred seat. And if I read the Chapter rightly, what it promises through its prophets is that ultimately it would be not the Persians, but the people themselves of Yahweh who would be reigning over the world in the name of God (Isaiah 45:1-25)
To summarize then: There has been from earliest times the idea that war (of one kind or another) is not only inevitable and good but also the normal and most exhilarating mode of social action of civilized mankind, the waging of war being the normal delight, as well as duty, of kings.
But, on the other hand, in the annals of world history accounts are to be found also of a diametrically opposite point of view to this, where the aim is to become quit of war and strife altogether in a state of perpetual peace. However, the usual corollary of this aspiration is that, since strife and pain are intrinsic to temporal existence, life itself, as we know it, is to be negated.
As far as I know, there is, in addition to these, only one more thought about war and peace to be found among the great traditions, and that is the one first announced by eminent seventeenth century philosopher, Grotius, in 1625, in his epochal treatise on The Right of War and Peace. Here, for the first time in the history of mankind, the proposal is offered of a law of nations based on ethical, not jungle principals. Where war was the natural duty of princes and peace merely interludes, Grotius’s view is a breach of the proper civilized norm, which is peace, and its aim should be to produce peace, a peace not enforced by might of arms, but of rational mutual interest. This, in turn, was the ideal that Woodrow Wilson represented when he spoke, at the end of the first world War, of “peace without victory”. And we have the idea symbolized also in the figure of our American eagle, which is pictured with a cluster of arrows in the talons of its left foot, an olive branch in its right, and its head—in the spirit of Grotius—turned rightward facing the olive branch. Let us hope, however, in the name of peace, that he keeps those arrowheads over there sharp until neither asceticism nor the power of arms, but an understanding of mutual advantage, will have become for all mankind the guarantee, at long last, of a knowledge of the reign of peace.
And, so what, then is the outstanding difference of the message of Jesus Christ? Whereas the gospel of Jesus was, rather of the battle already resolved.” You have heard that it was said, “You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy” But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He make His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and unjust” (Mathew 5:43-45.
And exactly this, I would say is the difference between gospel of war and one of peace. “

IMHO It is possible for us collectively as human beings to refuse to engage in any battles between good and evil. Until that happens (and it will) we will continue to annihilate ourselves into oblivion. We have the power create another---“Myth to Live By.”

“Unreasonable Acts of Love on a Planetary scale are the only solution and the only source of Hope. As long as one infant, child, or adult suffers from Hunger Malnutrition, Fear or Want, or from any infringement upon his freedom to experience the Love of God, your life will be lived in Hell. In the Plan for Salvation, no one can be left out.” (“A Certain Call” Anonymous)

1/14/2007 11:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From Joseph Campbell: “Myths to Live By”

“I have chosen a few characteristic passages (from the Bible) that we shall all—I am sure—readily recognize, and which rehearsed in the present context, may help us to realize that we have been bred to one of the most brutal war mythologies of all time.

“”When the Lord your God brings you into the land which you are entering to take possession of it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Gigashites, and Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than yourselves, and when the Lord your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them, then you must utterly destroy them, you shall make no covenant with them and show them no mercy. You shall not make marriages with them, giving your daughters for your sons. For they would turn away your sons from following me, to serve other gods, then the anger of the Lord would be kindled against you, and he would destroy you utterly. But thus shall you deal with them, you shall break down their alters, and dash in pieces their graven images with fire. For you are a people holy to the Lord your God, the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for his own possession, out of all the people on the face of the Earth. (Deuteronomy 7: 1-6)””

“”When you draw near a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; and when the Lord your God gives it into your hand you shall put all its males to the sword, but the woman and the little ones, the cattle, and everything else in the city, all its spoils, you shall take as booty for yourselves, and you shall enjoy the spoils of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you. Thus you shall do to all the cities which are very far from you, which are not cities of the nations here. But in the cities of these people that the Lord your God gives you for and inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded. (Deuteronomy 20: 10-18)”

“”And when the Lord God brings you into the land which he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give you, with great and goodly cities, which you did not build, and houses full of all good things, which you did not fill, and cisterns hewn out which you did not hewn, and vineyards, and olive trees which you did not plant, and where you eat and are full, then take heed lest you forget the Lord, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. (Deuteronomy 6: 10-12)

And when, in reading, we move on from Deuteronomy to the greatest war book of all, of Joshua, there is- most famous of all—the legend of the fall of Jericho.
And then, the very same Lord so frequently cited by our doves of peace today as having taught” Thou Shall Not Kill.
This mythology is very much alive today. And of course, to complete the picture, the Arabs have their divinely authorized mythology, too. For they, too, are a people who, according the their legend, are of the seed of Abraham: the progeny of Ishmael, his first and eldest son, Moreover, according to this history, confirmed in the Koran, it was Abraham and Ishmael who built in Mecca the sanctuary of Ka’ava,, which is the uniting central symbol and shrine of the entire Arab world and all of Islam. The Arabs revere and derive their beliefs from the same prophets as the Hebrews. They honor Abraham, honor Moses. They greatly honor Solomon. They honor Jesus too, as a prophet. Mohammed, however, is their ultimate prophet, and from him—who was a considerable warrior himself—they have derived their fanatic mythology of unrelenting war in God’s name.
The jihad, the duty of Holy War, is a concept developed from certain passages of the Koran which, were interpreted as defining the bounden duty of every Muslim male who is free, full of age, in full possession of his intellectual powers, and physically fit for service. “Fighting is prescribed for you,” we read in the Koran, Sura 2 verse 216, “True, you have an antipathy to it; however, it is possible that your antipathy is to something that is never the less good for you. God knows, and you know not.” “to fight in the cause of Truth is the highest form of Charity” What can you offer that is more important than your own life?” All lands not belonging to “the territory of Islam” are to be conquered and are known, therefore, as the “territory of war,” “ I am commanded,” the Prophet is reported to have said,” to fight until men bear witness, there is no god but God and his Messenger is Mohammed.”
These are the two war mythologies that are even today confronting each other in the highly contentious Near East and may yet explode our planet.
However, to return in thought to the past, of which our present is the continuation: the old Biblical ideal of offering a holocaust to Yahweh by massacring every living thing in a captured town or city was but the Hebrew version of a custom general to the early Semites. However, about the middle of the eighth century BC the Assyrian Tiglath Pilesar III noticed that when everybody in a conquered province is slain there is no one left to enslave. Yet, if they remain alive, they presently pull themselves together, and one has a revolt to put down, he invented the procedure, therefore, of transferring populations from one region to another, when a city had been taken, its entire population was condemned to forced labor elsewhere and the inhabitants of that other place transferred to the vacated site. The idea was effective and caught on; so that by the time two centuries more had elapsed, the entire Near East had been unsettled. There was hardly a land-rooted people left. When Israel fell its people were not massacred, as they would have been half a century earlier. They were taken somewhere else, and another people (known later as the Samaritans) was brought to inhabit their former kingdom. And so also when Jerusalem fell in the year 586, its people were not massacred but were transferred to Babylon.
But then there came to pass, very suddenly, and altogether radical transformation of the whole mythology of the Near East, with the sudden appearance and brilliant victories of the Aryan Persians over every nation of the ancient world save Greece, Babylon fell in the year 539 B.C. to Cyrus the Great, whose idea for the government of an empire, however, was neither to massacre not to uproot, but to return peoples to their places, restoring them to their gods and governing them through subordinate kings of their own races and traditions. Thus became the first King of Kings. And the title presently of the Lord God of Israel himself whose people Cyrus restored to their city and encouraged to the rebuilding of their Temple. In Isaiah 45 this gentile is even celebrated as a virtual Messiah, the anointed servant of Yahweh, the work of whose hand had been the work, actually, of Yahweh’s hand for the restoration of his people to their sacred seat. And if I read the Chapter rightly, what it promises through its prophets is that ultimately it would be not the Persians, but the people themselves of Yahweh who would be reigning over the world in the name of God (Isaiah 45:1-25)
To summarize then: There has been from earliest times the idea that war (of one kind or another) is not only inevitable and good but also the normal and most exhilarating mode of social action of civilized mankind, the waging of war being the normal delight, as well as duty, of kings.
But, on the other hand, in the annals of world history accounts are to be found also of a diametrically opposite point of view to this, where the aim is to become quit of war and strife altogether in a state of perpetual peace. However, the usual corollary of this aspiration is that, since strife and pain are intrinsic to temporal existence, life itself, as we know it, is to be negated.
As far as I know, there is, in addition to these, only one more thought about war and peace to be found among the great traditions, and that is the one first announced by eminent seventeenth century philosopher, Grotius, in 1625, in his epochal treatise on The Right of War and Peace. Here, for the first time in the history of mankind, the proposal is offered of a law of nations based on ethical, not jungle principals. Where war was the natural duty of princes and peace merely interludes, Grotius’s view is a breach of the proper civilized norm, which is peace, and its aim should be to produce peace, a peace not enforced by might of arms, but of rational mutual interest. This, in turn, was the ideal that Woodrow Wilson represented when he spoke, at the end of the first world War, of “peace without victory”. And we have the idea symbolized also in the figure of our American eagle, which is pictured with a cluster of arrows in the talons of its left foot, an olive branch in its right, and its head—in the spirit of Grotius—turned rightward facing the olive branch. Let us hope, however, in the name of peace, that he keeps those arrowheads over there sharp until neither asceticism nor the power of arms, but an understanding of mutual advantage, will have become for all mankind the guarantee, at long last, of a knowledge of the reign of peace.
And, so what, then is the outstanding difference of the message of Jesus Christ? Whereas the gospel of Jesus was, rather of the battle already resolved.” You have heard that it was said, “You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy” But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He make His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and unjust” (Mathew 5:43-45.
And exactly this, I would say is the difference between gospel of war and one of peace. “

IMHO It is possible for us collectively as human beings to refuse to engage in any battles between good and evil. Until that happens (and it will) we will continue to annihilate ourselves into oblivion. We have the power create another---“Myth to Live By.”

“Unreasonable Acts of Love on a Planetary scale are the only solution and the only source of Hope. As long as one infant, child, or adult suffers from Hunger Malnutrition, Fear or Want, or from any infringement upon his freedom to experience the Love of God, your life will be lived in Hell. In the Plan for Salvation, no one can be left out.” (“A Certain Call” Anonymous)

1/14/2007 11:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

verdraagzaamheid = tolerance in Dutch

In a country with a population density like that of Bangledesh. People who live there must accept and tolerate all sorts of things not to their liking.

An true experiment in multi-culturism.
It can and does work.Although there are chimpanzee and bonono groupings we all can get along.
With a live and let live philosophy.

In the wider sociological sense, "tolerance" carries with it the understanding that "intolerance" and conformity breeds violence and social instability.

"Tolerance" has thus become the social term of choice to define the practical rationale of permitting uncommon social practice and diversity. One only tolerates people who are disliked for their differences.
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While people deemed undesirable may be disapproved of, "tolerance" would require that the party or group in question be left undisturbed, physically or otherwise, and that criticism directed toward them be free of inflammatory or insightful efforts.
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Authoritarian systems practice intolerance, the opposite of tolerance.



Polytheistic is a good term to define Cyrus the Great also.

How his genius decided to allow and accept this can only be called mercy and grace.

These Kings were said to be directed by the Divine directions of principalities.



First Hierarchy:

* Seraphim
* Cherubim
* Thrones


Second Hierarchy:

* Dominions
* Principalities
* Powers


Third Hierarchy:

* Virtues
* Archangels
* Angels





THE ORDER OF THE PRINCIPALITIES influence worldly events, large groups, nations and world leaders. People in power benefit from the council with the order of principalities.


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"The world is like a ride at an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are.

And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly colored and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while.

Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride?

And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, 'Hey – don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride ...' And we ... kill those people. Ha ha, 'Shut him up. We have a lot invested in this ride. Shut him up.

Look at my furrows of worry. Look at my big bank account and my family. This just has to be real.' It's just a ride. But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that?

And let the demons run amok. But it doesn't matter, because – it's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money.

A choice, right now, between fear and love.

The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off.

The eyes of love instead see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride.


Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead, spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace.

Thank you very much, you've been great." [several gunshots ring out, Bill mimes being hit and falls to floor, motionless.] (Onstage closing comments of Hicks's Revelations special from 1993)

ah,the words of a dreamer.

May Peace and Love and Wisdom prevail

1/15/2007 01:22:00 AM  
Anonymous . said...

We dream of a better world, or even of an ideal world. A better or even ideal human race. Where everyone finally "gets it" - love thy neighbor as thyself.

We are missing the point. Our lives are short, and the world goes on its way without us. Will we see the world become good in our lifetime?

Then what really counts? If we believe in love, in goodness, we don't have to wait for the world. After all, our future is not in this world, is it?

Live now, being and giving the kindness, peace and love you believe in, and you would wish to find in the world.

Do unto others as you would have done to you. Love your fellowman as you would wish to be loved.

This is the way a good world will come to be. One person at a time. There will never be peace without, until there is peace within.

Do you believe in unselfish love? It is the greatest challenge, the greatest beauty, and the only hope.

1/15/2007 02:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree.

Human beings must become enlightened in order to find their way in the dark. Becoming enlightened means becoming smart travelers, who acquire knowledge of the way, an understanding of the local language and friendship with other travelers. We are all travelers in eternity.

1/15/2007 05:37:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Anon, 11:58 said;

“IMHO It is possible for us collectively as human beings to refuse to engage in any battles between good and evil.”

See my blogspot for a rough ontology that dispenses with the good vs. evil drama.

Jehovah was a jealous god, so he seems to be created and not our true creator God. A fnord(sp) perhaps.

1/15/2007 06:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As the first humans awoke and looked around, the only “number” they knew was ONE. Each person perceived one self, one Sun, one Moon, one meal at a time. One was the number of the age.

As humans became more evolved, and looked out into the Universe, they began to perceive Duality. There was night and day, summer and winter, male and female, good and evil. As ages passed and philosophies developed, there was yin and yang. Now TWO was the number of the age, and working with that concept brought people to the idea that, where there is two, neither of the pair can exist without the other. On a planet with no night, there is no meaningful day. In a world without evil, there can be no good. These are profound insights; and pondering them helped develop the society in which we live.

The next big number was SEVEN. The Hindus described seven chakras (energy points on the body), people pondered the Seven Ages of Man, and sailed the Seven Seas. Seven is a number of Discovery; it took mankind from the childhood of Two into a world which, while being admittedly more complex than the world of primitive man, was still knowable and therefore not so frightening.

Note that the world hadn’t changed: Man’s perception of it changed. With more finely-tuned cognitive faculties, people could perceive finer gradations of experience; and many of those experiences seemed to fall into patterns of Seven.

As St. Paul increased the number of Angelic Orders from two to nine it was very clear to many that NINE was the number of Spiritual Development.

Still, something like 5,000 years ago, the ancient Sumerians began working with the number TWELVE. They perceived twelve Signs of the Zodiac—signs we still use today. They perceived twelve heavenly bodies in our Solar System, including, accurately, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, which cannot be seen without a rather strong telescope. And their governmental bodies were always composed of twelve individuals.

Sumerian politics eventually became Egyptian, Greek, and Roman mythology; and in those cultures’ tales of the gods, there were always twelve primary gods at a time. The myths tell stories of one god leaving the primary group and being replaced by another; that’s how important it was to have twelve gods seated in Olympus, or wherever.

More recently, Jesus chose to have twelve apostles—and, when one turned out to be a poor choice, the remaining apostles immediately hired a new replacement.

At a level closer to home, we humans (and all vertebrates) have twelve major joints in our bodies: two ankles, two knees, two hips, two wrists, two elbows, and two in the neck.

Now, presumably, someday we’ll realize that some higher number has a great significance to the human experience. Will it be number 16? Maybe number 24? or even the number 144? Who knows?
For now, it appears that the number TWELVE still has much to teach us. Remember, moving to Seven from Two didn’t put an end to Day and Night. It just allowed us to perceive additional, more subtle, phenomena... just as our present preoccupation with Twelve affords us.

TWELVE (12) is the number of completion and wholeness. 7 and 9 are levels of spiritual development each having their own properties.
After twelve you must do something that has not been done before to be able to understand or comprehend what is to come.
12 is just the beginning point. There is a great deal of information concerning this and much disinformation that runs on an agenda of againstness. Beware those that make enemies of other groups and people. Beware of the process of againstness. It leads to disillusionment and the belief in separation. These folks would have us all believe that wars are options of the very best and that we need to fight against others.

By taking in consideration the above and if we could understand the existence of one more higher but non-tangible "invisible" Choir (due to its nature) with three more Orders then we can start realizing why number TWELVE (12) is the most likely to be the number of the Angelic Orders.

Having in mind this non-tangible "invisible" Choir we can now say that there are four Choirs of Angelic Orders and they deal with everything in existence from humans, to the workings of the universe.
In each Angelic Choir there are three Angelic Orders (4x3=12) bringing up the number of the Orders to twelve. So now we can say that there are 12 Orders of Angels. Each order presents' an awareness or gift to human kind.

The twelve orders or realms relate to mankind as densities of energy or fields of reality. The human form or body was intended to be created in the likeness of the Holy Twelve, the twelve Orders of Angels and the twelve Angels of The Presence.

Each order dwells, reign or govern a realm, heaven or plane of existence. A region or abode of an order of angels has been called, Yetsirah meaning formation. The formations were the first realms created from the emanations of the Source of the Whole of Existence. They are the chief domains or angelic realms. They were formed as twelve domains. The spiritual structure of each domain contains twelve orbs of light.

Each orb of light within a formation or domain is called, a Sefira or Sephira, which means an aspect or principal of the Source of the Whole of Existence or a portal of light. Cabalistic tradition speaks of the ten portals of light that are the doorways of eternity. In actuality there are twelve. In combination, all twelve are called the Sefiroth or Sephiroth. These twelve portals of light combine aspects or principals of the source of the Whole of Existence within each.

All forms are made up of their own combined energies or Sephiroth. The Sephiroth is also known as the Tree of Life. It is explained in scriptures that the Tree of Life has twelve braches and resides in the center portion of a living being next to or alongside of its "river of life". This would be the center area, portion or position of any living being.

http://www.steliart.com/angelology_angelic_orders_12.html
The Number Twelve (12)

1/15/2007 06:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From reading your blog Sounder:

I agree balance is very much a key to our spiritual development.

As we all make the effort we can shape a positive future.

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Grigori/Watchers

In the Book Of Enoch, it describes that God had sent a legion of angels to earth in order to watch over and assist man during the beginning of civilization. These angels taught man sciences which were forbidden by God such as the magic in herbs, reading the stars, divination and sorcery.

Enoch goes on to say:
"...but they chose husbands and wives from among the humans and led greatly debauched lives, neglecting their heavenly duties..."

This angered God greatly and he banished the "fallen".

Sadly these angels were not suited to this job and instead of playing a positive role they began to teach man sciences that God had deemed to be forbidden.
These subjects included astrology, divination, herb craft and magic.
To compound this, they also began to lust after some of the women they were supposed to be guiding. In order to cohabitate with these women they even assumed physical forms. Although the church might argue that angels have no gender and therefore are unable to procreate anyway, the following excerpt from Genesis 6:4, points out that "the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them". The resulting half-breeds were named as the Nephilim.

This kind of bad angelic behavior could not be tolerated and as a result the Grigori were taken from their posts and imprisoned in a layer of heaven. Although they appealed to Enoch to speak on their behalf to God, they remained bound for 70 generations. As for the Nephilim, it has been suggested that one of the main reasons for the great flood, was not only to punish man, but to cleanse the earth of the half-bred creatures created from the union of fallen spirit and flesh.

Among the Strega the Watchers are called the Grigori. Originally there were 4 royal stars or Lords and they were called the Watchers. Each of these Lords ruled over one of the 4 cardinal points...North, South, East, West.

North - Formalhaut - who marked Winter Solstice
South - Regulus - who marked Summer Solstice
East - Aldebaran - who marked the Vernal Equinox
West - Antares - who marked Autumn Equinox

In the Strega Mythos, the Watchers were Gods who guarded the Heavens and Earth. Over time the Greeks made them Gods of the 4 winds, and the Christians made them creatures of the Air. In Stregheria we call the elements from the altar. The Grigori are of a "higher" realm and guard the portals to the gods.

In "A Dictionary of Angels" by Gustav Davidson, the good Watchers are portrayed as a high order of Angels, (Archangels), also known as Grigori or Irin.

Chief of the Good Grigori are Archangels:
Uriel, Raphael, Raguel, Michael, Zerachiel, Gabriel, and Remiel

http://www.steliart.com/angelology_fallen_watchers_grigori.html
The Fallen Watchers - Grigori

1/15/2007 06:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reading the above who's responsible then for the ignorance of humanity?

Who is responsible for depriving mankind of knowledge when Satan wanted us to have knowledge?

In the end, who is really responsible for all the suffering and crimes and misery?

What force then drives man to conflict?


Not humanity we are a soul farm.
The Earth a continual bloody altar where every living being from maggots to man is destroyed.

Who put this Universal law of the violent destruction of living beings
into effect?And why?

Anyway when we have regrets about the past and how we should have done some things differently, the main reason is because we didn't have the knowledge at the time.

If we did, none of this would have happened and things would have worked out all right for everyone concerned.

True love is something that is earned upon a foundation of mutual empathy, kindness, trust, and goodwill between two people.

Love is a two-way street. Loving enemies, illnesses and anything and anyone just for the sake of love is unnatural and very unhealthy.

Therefore all of these false New Age teachings with their focus on love are detrimental to one's mental health, emotional health, and worst causes one to become unbalanced.

One should focus on reality. "Loving" everything and everyone only sets one up to be a victim, to have low self-esteem and places one upon the path of delusion.

These people only go so far as ALL true "occult" is of the Devil (Fallen Ones) and one must give the Devil his due to advance.

1/15/2007 08:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reading the above who's responsible then for the ignorance of humanity?

Who is responsible for depriving mankind of knowledge when Satan wanted us to have knowledge?

In the end, who is really responsible for all the suffering and crimes and misery?

What force then drives man to conflict?


Not humanity we are a soul farm.
The Earth a continual bloody altar where every living being from maggots to man is destroyed.

Who put this Universal law of the violent destruction of living beings
into effect?And why?

Anyway when we have regrets about the past and how we should have done some things differently, the main reason is because we didn't have the knowledge at the time.

If we did, none of this would have happened and things would have worked out all right for everyone concerned.

True love is something that is earned upon a foundation of mutual empathy, kindness, trust, and goodwill between two people.

Love is a two-way street. Loving enemies, illnesses and anything and anyone just for the sake of love is unnatural and very unhealthy.

Therefore all of these false New Age teachings with their focus on love are detrimental to one's mental health, emotional health, and worst causes one to become unbalanced.

One should focus on reality. "Loving" everything and everyone only sets one up to be a victim, to have low self-esteem and places one upon the path of delusion.

These people only go so far as ALL true "occult" is of the Devil and one must give the Devil his due to advance.

1/15/2007 08:49:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

I wasn't kidding about that The PDFA link:

"At one point consciousness-altering devices like the microscope and telescope were criminalized for exactly the same reasons that psychedelic plants were banned in later years. They allow us to peer into bits and zones of Chaos."—Timothy Leary

1/15/2007 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Proteus said...

Jeff, a belated thanks for the last several posts. I have been doing a bit of remodeling lately (physical and metaphysical) and I am pleased to read all of the great comments from everyone and add my contribution to the collective.

In this Age of Revealing, all of our beliefs are being exposed for what they truly are. The Sumerian etymology of the word 'believer' was "one worthy of being a slave... a fool". In reading the posts relating to Satanism, it is ironic that both false opposites (Satanism and the major religions) have the same origin. What has been offered to slaves as an alternative to God via Theosophy, Rosicrucianism, Luciferianism, chaos parlour magick, and Crowleyan/Golden Dawn anus worship (behold the Eye of Horus) is actually the other side of the same Atonist coin due to the same infiltration that corrupted the mystery taditions of old. Those responsible for killing the "Khrysts" the past several thousand years of insanity are the same ones who constantly show their handiwork through shoving their bloody cross in your face. The truth is that the spiritually devoid followers of the world reinact that blood-letting on a daily basis. They would line up to slaughter their own children if they were told to (see the military). But Hey! You get a flag folded into a pyramid as a sybol of your empty allegiance and stupidity, so all is well in Archetype-land.

I was raised in a Baha'i home. I studied the writings of all of the "major" religions (translation: social engineering projects). I was baffled by the similarities of the various doctrines and was assured that this meant that they came from the same divine force. Not so much. The Bahai Faith has been co-opted in much the same way that other esoteric movements have as a means of institutionalizing and politicizing faith. The pain expeienced through my own progression of awareness has been as necessary as it is for every one of us. As Jung said, we will do anything to avoid suffering, yet this avoidance will be manifested outwardly as a means of confronting an unconscious that we have been conditioned to be ashamed of. To hold the destructive and creative together in our being is at the core of the mystery traditions that have been defiled by the priesthood. Ego death (see Lazarus) was a key component to transcending the most base level of cosciousness or the 5 sense reality that our owners are so driven to uphold. This reality is not purely illusory, but is a mere component of the whole. We, collectively, can make of this what we choose. The problem that we are now facing collectively is actually a representation of our individual awareness, or lack thereof. If we choose to lend our ears to soothsayers and sycophants, we will add juice to the reality that they wish to perpetuate.

I am often discouraged when I ask a religious apologist how they can engage in a practice that has brought so much suffering to humanity. I am then fed the same fables, the same tired spent capital, the same irrational rhetoric. It all boils down to being accountable. The intellectually, spritually, and emotionally unaccountable will look to Big Daddy for a treat, even when he is putting his hand in places he shouldn't. The herd will gather in churches that are loaded for bare with Atonist archetypes on Sun-day and fail to see that they are being led to slaughter. Big Daddy, in truth, is a manifestation of our insecurity, fear, and lack of awareness. He is powerless without us. If the bottom level of the pyramid stops believing in the literalized archetype, the pyramid topples. This can be seen in the State, as well. It needs your lack of accountability and self respect in order to exist. We don't need the State, but our constructs tell us otherwise.

The battle we are in is one fought at the individual level. That is why there is a contingency plan for dissent and violence in our system. It appears to be a mammoth, indestuctible entity, but just like our seemingly indestructible Ego, it is made of ether.

Those who seek "leaders" for some "movement" are climbing the same dead tree. You are your greatest leader. There is so much to be gleaned from the Manicheans, the Sufis, the Cathars and the true purpose of their message to all of us. Gnosis is only attained through self awareness. Worship of an authoritarian hierarchy is slavery, whether you rationalize it so you can sleep through the screams of dying Iraqi children or not. Followers of these dogmatic monstosities are literally holding back their evolution as human beings and in so doing, are willfully ignorant of the suffering their belief in fables has caused.

This process of awakening is tied into the cosmos and is unstoppable. My reason for imploring the willing slaves to drop their toys in the sandbox is due to the grave nature of what will become of them when their systems of inaccountability accelerate in their decay. While old ideas die, those who tie aspects of their identity to them will be pulled into the abyss. The burden of awareness at that point will drive those who believe insane. As the laws of the universe unstitch the fabric of authoritarian reality, reason and logic will leave the building, much like those sorry souls who salivate over the end of the world, selfishly raising their fish symbols to Aten for identification so they can watch their loved ones boil eternally in shit, all so they can be a part of the "winning team". How certifiably insane our beliefs have made us. Our power is so immense, yet so easily occluded through dogma, superstition and literalism.

The following quotes are part of the work done by Michael Tsarion and can be found at www.taroscopes.com in his 'Astro-Theology' section. May Quetzalcoatl shake us free of our servitude:

"The historical view of Jesus’ life is stubbornly maintained in spite of the evidence adduced by comparative Religion and Mythology, which points with steady directness to the fact that the events of the Gospel narrative are matched with surprising fidelity by the antecedent careers of such world saviors as Dionysus, Osiris, Sabazius, Tammuz, Adonis, Atys, Orpheus, Mithras, Zoroaster, Krishna, Bala-Rama, Vyasa, Buddha, Hercules, Sargon, Serapis, Horus, Marduk, Izdubar, Witoba, Apollonius of Tyana, Yehoshua ben Pandira, and even Plato and Pythagoras."

- Alvin Boyd Kuhn (The Lost Light)

"It should never be forgotten that the power of the priest rests solely on the credence of the people. The people cry out for a savior, for certainty of heaven, for an exemption from the terrors of hell. Hence Priestcraft can neither do without hell nor purgatory. Take away both, or either, and its power is gone."

- M. F. Cusack (The Black Pope: A History of the Jesuits)

"The Church - which began its career by destroying, distorting and denying the pagan sources from which it sprang; whose bishops and other ecclesiastics assassinated each other in their theological rancour "of wild beasts," which encouraged the wicked folly of the Crusades...and the shameful murders of the Manicheans, the Albigenses, and the Huguenots; which burned at the stake thousands and thousands of poor "witches" and "heretics," which has hardly ever spoken a generous word in favor or defense of the animals; which in modern times has supported vivisection as against the latter, Capitalism and Commercialism as against the poorer classes of mankind; and whose priests in the forms of its various sects, Greek or Catholic, Lutheran or Protestant, have in these last days rushed forth to urge the nations to slaughter each other with every diabolical device of Science, and to glorify the war-cry of Patriotism in defiance of the principle of universal Brotherhood - such a Church can hardly claim to have established the angelic character of its mission among mankind!"

- Edward Carpenter (Pagan and Christian Creeds, 1920)

"The extent of Christian stupidity and of Christian ignorance would have been the most unaccountable of all the phenomena of the universe, if its own history had not supplied the account. Men have been trained to prefer ignorance to learning, and have chosen to be driven mad and wild by faith, rather than to be instructed, enlightened and improved by reason and philosophy."

- Rev. Robert Taylor (1830 AD)

1/15/2007 11:11:00 AM  
Anonymous moviegirl said...

http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=3474

interesting off camera and then on camera interview regarding the UFO at Chicago O'Hare airport.

1/15/2007 12:07:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Well, it's MLK day--does anyone wonder what he'd have to say about the state we're in or the abyss into which our 'leaders' are trying to drag us? Apparently, there is an effort afoot on the part of one of the many fascist think-tanks (a truly oxymoronic notion, that) to co-opt the last populist leader who wasn't owned by some cartel or other.

Writing for the State at its Heritage Foundation office, a (reportedly) human producer of fecal matter named Carolyn Garris extrudes this bit of wisdom her January 12, 2006 entry:

It is time for conservatives to lay claim to the legacy of the Rev. Martin Luther King...

If that doesn't stagger the mind, given what the State is up to right now, from the Katrina Conspiracy to Vietnam II, then the mind is unstaggerable. How anyone could read (or listen while reading in this excellent version) MLK's Beyond Vietnam sermon and ignore the point of his message and the urgency of how it applies to the hell we're making of the world is beyond baffling.

For those interested in some very good commentary on this, check out Juan Cole's 10 Things Martin Luther King Would have Done about Iraq. I don't think the good doctor's words need any interpretation, personally. This is the speech that got him killed. I wonder how many conservative outlets (oh, yeah...that's all of them) will be playing this one today? Not terribly brief excerpt, but it's just eerily, drastically appropriate:

I speak as a citizen of the world, for the world as it stands aghast at the path we have taken. I speak as one who loves America, to the leaders of our own nation: The great initiative in this war is ours; the initiative to stop it must be ours.
This is the message of the great Buddhist leaders of Vietnam. Recently one of them wrote these words, and I quote:

"Each day the war goes on the hatred increases in the heart of the Vietnamese and in the hearts of those of humanitarian instinct. The Americans are forcing even their friends into becoming their enemies. It is curious that the Americans, who calculate so carefully on the possibilities of military victory, do not realize that in the process they are incurring deep psychological and political defeat. The image of America will never again be the image of revolution, freedom, and democracy, but the image of violence and militarism."

If we continue, there will be no doubt in my mind and in the mind of the world that we have no honorable intentions in Vietnam. If we do not stop our war against the people of Vietnam immediately, the world will be left with no other alternative than to see this as some horrible, clumsy, and deadly game we have decided to play. The world now demands a maturity of America that we may not be able to achieve. It demands that we admit that we have been wrong from the beginning of our adventure in Vietnam, that we have been detrimental to the life of the Vietnamese people. The situation is one in which we must be ready to turn sharply from our present ways. In order to atone for our sins and errors in Vietnam, we should take the initiative in bringing a halt to this tragic war.

~~~

It is with such activity in mind that the words of the late John F. Kennedy come back to haunt us. Five years ago he said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." Increasingly, by choice or by accident, this is the role our nation has taken, the role of those who make peaceful revolution impossible by refusing to give up the privileges and the pleasures that come from the immense profits of overseas investments. I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin...we must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.

~~~

This call for a worldwide fellowship that lifts neighborly concern beyond one's tribe, race, class, and nation is in reality a call for an all-embracing and unconditional love for all mankind. This oft misunderstood, this oft misinterpreted concept, so readily dismissed by the Nietzsches of the world as a weak and cowardly force, has now become an absolute necessity for the survival of man. When I speak of love I am not speaking of some sentimental and weak response. I am not speaking of that force which is just emotional bosh. I am speaking of that force which all of the great religions have seen as the supreme unifying principle of life. Love is somehow the key that unlocks the door which leads to ultimate reality. This Hindu-Muslim-Christian-Jewish-Buddhist belief about ultimate reality is beautifully summed up in the first epistle of Saint John: "Let us love one another, for love is God. And every one that loveth is born of God and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God, for God is love." "If we love one another, God dwelleth in us and his love is perfected in us." Let us hope that this spirit will become the order of the day.

We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. The oceans of history are made turbulent by the ever-rising tides of hate. And history is cluttered with the wreckage of nations and individuals that pursued this self-defeating path of hate. As Arnold Toynbee says: "Love is the ultimate force that makes for the saving choice of life and good against the damning choice of death and evil. Therefore the first hope in our inventory must be the hope that love is going to have the last word".

We are now faced with the fact, my friends, that tomorrow is today. We are confronted with the fierce urgency of now. In this unfolding conundrum of life and history, there is such a thing as being too late. Procrastination is still the thief of time. Life often leaves us standing bare, naked, and dejected with a lost opportunity. The tide in the affairs of men does not remain at flood -- it ebbs. We may cry out desperately for time to pause in her passage, but time is adamant to every plea and rushes on. Over the bleached bones and jumbled residues of numerous civilizations are written the pathetic words, "Too late." There is an invisible book of life that faithfully records our vigilance or our neglect. Omar Khayyam is right: "The moving finger writes, and having writ moves on."

We still have a choice today: nonviolent coexistence or violent coannihilation. We must move past indecision to action. We must find new ways to speak for peace in Vietnam and justice throughout the developing world, a world that borders on our doors. If we do not act, we shall surely be dragged down the long, dark, and shameful corridors of time reserved for those who possess power without compassion, might without morality, and strength without sight.

(I didn't italicize for easier reading--obviously the words were not mine. Listening to King's voice) as you read the full text is even better, however. There is no mention of the conservative Martin Luther King in there somehow, though...)

1/15/2007 02:51:00 PM  
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1/15/2007 10:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you, Sounder, for responding to my post. Anon 11:58.It was my first time. I am visiting your blog and will respond more there.

Just an acnowledgment to this blog site I discovered two months ago. I am impressed and hopeful for a shift in consciousness by the comments on Jeff's posts. I have been,I guess, pretty sure not too many people could "see" beyond the illusion or recognize The Perfect Plan unfolding, as we all participate in the Game of Life.

There are those who will continue to engage in the batlle between good and evil and there are no winners in that game.

Evolving beyond the the battle between good and evil exists a condition of Paradise. There are those on the planet now who know their mission is to help bring this forth. And they are finding each other. The password or "key" to Paradise is SURRENDER.

We are all One and truly connected to ALL that exist. That is why we can truly feel the pain and suffering of our bothers and sisiters who are engaged in that Battle. It is not about Life.

There are an infinite number of creations to discover that are beyond our wildest dreams. Somehow, it seems that there might be enough of us that have evolved beyond this battle to Create or Co-Create, if you will, beyond the Myth of War.
A new reality...A Condition of Paradise on Earth". A Parallel Reality.

I have a profound relationship with God, that is personal and it is MINE, and yet, I share it and celebrate it every moment.
It took me a while to get that I do not have to be religious, and that every living thing has its own unique relationship to God... The Source of ALL that Exists, has Existed or will Exist.

Your Belief is of consequence only to you............We can go Beyond Belief and SURRENDER!!!

1/15/2007 10:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Candlemas said...

After King touched on the problem of the other, King returned his focus to America, American troops and how Christians, people of conscience, and Americans should approach the war in Vietnam for our own sake.

… I am as deeply concerned about our own troops there as anything else. … we are submitting them to in Vietnam is not simply the brutalizing process that goes on in any war where armies face each other and seek to destroy. We are adding cynicism to the process of death, for they must know after a short period there that none of the things we claim to be fighting for are really involved. Before long they must know that their government has sent them into a [civil war], and the more sophisticated [troops] surely realize that [the American government is] on the side of the wealthy, and the secure, while we create a hell for the poor.

Somehow this madness [of war] must cease. We must stop now. I speak as a child of God and brother to the suffering poor of Vietnam. I speak for those whose land is being laid waste, whose homes are being destroyed, whose culture is being subverted. I speak for the poor of America who are paying the double price of smashed hopes at home, and dealt death and corruption in Vietnam. … I speak as one who loves America, to the leaders of our own nation: The great initiative in this war is ours; the initiative to stop it must be ours.

The world now demands a maturity of America that we may not be able to achieve. It demands that we admit that we have been wrong from the beginning of our adventure in Vietnam, that we have been detrimental to the life of the Vietnamese people. … In order to atone for our sins and errors in Vietnam, we should take the initiative in bringing a halt to this tragic war.

King then called for the U.S. to cease bombing, effect a unilateral cease-fire, begin armistice negotiations with all sides, and set a date to remove our troops. Does this prescription sound familiar or applicable today?

In his conclusion, Dr. King spoke of the coming revolution of values and the need for Americans in general to get on the train, and adopt a more humanist vision and practice.

I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. … we must begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.

This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation’s homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into the veins of peoples normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice, and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.

… There is nothing except a tragic death wish to prevent us from reordering our priorities so that the pursuit of peace will take precedence over the pursuit of war. … These are revolutionary times. All over the globe men are revolting against old systems of exploitation and oppression, and out of the wounds of a frail world, new systems of justice and equality are being born. The shirtless and barefoot people of the land are rising up as never before. The people who sat in darkness have seen a great light. We in the West must support these revolutions.

… We still have a choice today: non-violent coexistence or violent co-annihilation. We must move past indecision to action. We must find new ways to speak for peace in Vietnam and justice throughout the developing world, a world that borders on our doors. If we do not act, we shall surely be dragged down the long, dark, and shameful corridors of time reserved for those who possess power without compassion, might without morality, and strength without sight.

1/15/2007 10:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BLIND Faith is foolish.
True


ENKI/EA

The Judeo/Christian bible is chock full of Sumerian accounts of the creation (alien accomplished genetic engineering), the Great Flood (the accounts of the great flood are found in nearly every creation myth), the Tower of Babel and much more; all of these were twisted and altered from the original versions.

Names and identites have been turned around and misrepresented to conform to this false religion, both those of Gods and humans.

The sphynx was constructed during the age of Leo, circa 10,500 BCE. "There has been much dispute concerning the age of certain structures due to the fact that most Egyptologists are of the Muslim religion. The Koran claims that the world began roughly 6,000 years ago. If a Muslim states a building is 8,000 years old, he is disputing the Koran. They cannot do that, they won't even talk about it, won't even discuss it."

There are many relics and structures which pre-date Judeo-Christianity by thousands of years. One thing they all have in common is the focus on the SERPENT. In Egypt, the serpent is seen everywhere, from the Egyptian crook, to the headdresses worn by the Gods.


Following the destruction, fictitious histories were invented in further attempts to destroy all knowledge of the ancient past and the Original Gods. The book known as the “Bible” emerged; full of stolen bits and pieces of former civilizations and religious doctrines. All of these were twisted and corrupted to fit the mold of this new so-called “religion.” The Original Gods were demonized and their reputations were destroyed. Yaweh/Jehova took over as the presumed “creator” and *owner* of humanity.

This set the stage for more destruction and removal of ancient knowledge with the invention of the fictitious Nazarene and the coming of the “prophet” Mohammed, who was visited by enemy extra-terrestrial “Gabriel” was given the same message convert others to Islam or murder them. With the Christian and Moslem religions, human beings were deceived into destroying and removing any knowledge on their own, so Yaweh and his entities would no longer have to constantly provide the necessary supervision.

Duality became the theme. “God” vs. the “Devil.” “Good” vs. “Evil.” The serpent and knowledge became synonymous with evil and now the origin of all evil was the Devil. “Satan” is the Hebrew word for “adversary” and anything opposed to this new doctrine was labeled as “satanic” or of the Devil. Teachings of ancient civilizations were stolen, corrupted and wound up in the Judeo/Christian bible and passed off as Judeo/Christian doctrines where people were deceived into believing they had originated. Each succeeding generation of humanity was stripped more and more of spiritual knowledge and power. When Christianity had gained control, much of the world descended into the era known as the “Dark Ages” where literacy and learning ceased to exist. Everything centered around Christianity.

From the above, we can plainly see Christianity was and is nothing more than a tool for removing knowledge, and replacing it with lies. Anything having to do with kundalini and spiritual advancement became a serious offense punishable by torture and death.

Human sexuality was severely regulated and frowned upon by the church. This is because sexuality and orgasm as the life force are essential to spiritual advancement and the raising of the kundalini serpent. Because the church could not supervise sexual activity, they enforced a doctrine of extreme terror. The populace, stripped of all knowledge and spiritual power (ignorance= fear) fell victim to lies. “Hell” emerged on the scene. The word “Hell” was stolen from the Norse word “Hel” representing the Norse underworld. The emphasis on the trinity and the number seven are reminiscent of the chakras. The three knots of the root, heart and third eye chakras, and the seven chakras of the human soul. Every attempt was made by the church to replace any spiritual associations with these numbers and any significant numbers that were related to the human soul such as 144,000; which is the number of nadis within the human body to channel the life force of the soul. The number two became synonymous with Satan. The second chakra is sexual in nature and controls human sexuality, so of course any association with two was evil. Blockages in the second chakra keep an individual completely enslaved spiritually as the life force remains completely dormant in the first chakra.

With fear, human beliefs and thoughts can be controlled. Humanity was led to believe this omnipresent and “all-powerful” “God” could know their every little thought and action. Through fear, people began to monitor their own thoughts and actions. The seven sacraments of the Catholic Church (The original Christian religion) enforced strict control over every stage of an individual’s life, particularly that of “confession.” Through confession, the church had even more control, that of knowing the deepest secrets of the frightened population. This enabled the ruling clergy to have power over kings, queens and other secular monarchy.

Whenever necessary, enemy alien beings stepped in astrally to encourage and enforce these beliefs of terror as with the visions of Italian poet Dante Alighieri, who wrote the Medieval epic “Divine Comedy.” Enemy aliens were quick to enforce the fear through horrific visions of “Hell” and the afterlife for anyone who ventured onto the astral. This was simple in that the intense and total emphasis on xianity assured no alternative knowledge would act as a threat. Shape shifting aliens took full advantage of the spiritual ignorance of the human populace, appearing as messengers of “God” and on occasion, the aliens masquerading as the Nazarene even made special visits to give credence to this anti-life campaign.

Islam took control of the Middle East and other regions physically inaccessible to xianity at that time and directed the same campaign- the removal of all knowledge, which was forcibly replaced with the false doctrines of the Koran. Same old themes- sexuality and free thought are taboo. Women were denigrated because of their innate sexual attraction for men. Ancient legends were warped to conform to xian teachings, such as the “Adam and Eve” tale. The tree of life which symbolizes the pathways for the kundalini life force became the forbidden “Tree of Knowledge.” The serpent symbolizing the kundalini became synonymous with “evil” and the “Devil” who was erroneously labeled as death.

The force was set in motion. The populace, now totally ignorant of energy manipulation and spiritual power put 100% into creating a powerful new thought form; that of xianity. Humanity has paid the price and has degenerated spiritually as a result. Spiritual knowledge, power, and control has remained in the hands of a few to the detriment of all. Contact with the Elder Gods who lost a battle in a spiritual war was cut off. The Elder Gods were bound at the soul by the temporarily victorious enemy and lost much of their spiritual powers. These Gods were labeled as “evil,” by the new enemy religions and tales of demonic possession, hideous monsters out to destroy humanity and other frightening lies were pushed upon an unknowing populace.

Again, to enforce these lies so they would take on a life of their own, free from continual enemy alien supervision, enemy aliens would again shape shift and pose as “Demons” to frighten any humans who would dare to try to establish contact with them. Grimoires and “black books” were written specifically for this purpose.

Those who dared were led to believe the Elder Gods were monsters who could be summoned like slaves to do the bidding of the sorcerer. These beings became the denizens of Hell, synonymous with death, destruction, and evil. Within the confines of a nine-foot circle, the sorcerer would write Yaweh/Jehova and angelic names and petition prayers to these enemy entities before, during and after the summoning. Given the Elder Gods were deprived of much of their spiritual powers; they were at the mercy of these enemy entities. The petitions and prayers secured enemy control and supervision in every contact.

"Spirituality" was seriously corrupted into something ugly by the church. This theme also bled into Eastern religions, such as Buddhism, where denial, denouncing physical and earthly pleasures and sexuality have been the theme. Suffering was exalted as a virtue along with every other negative and destructive practice. Strict adherence to these anti-life and anti-spiritual teachings also ensured a slave mentality. This benefited the corrupted leaders of the church in many respects.

The removal of knowledge is still occurring today. The same theme- remove and destroy all knowledge of the past so an alternative past can be invented to exert further control upon an already spiritually ignorant populace. Because of a lack of knowledge, humanity can and has been as a whole, manipulated into a system of false beliefs that have taken on a life of their own through mass thought energy. This is one reason Christianity has had such a powerful hold on its adherents.

Satanism which is the original religion has suffered. Many are deluded into believing Satan and Satanism are synonymous with the Judeo/Christian concept of “evil.” The Christian Churches have dictated to a populace cut off from all ancient knowledge and the Original Gods; namely our Creator God, Ea, also known as Enki, Lord of the Earth and “Satan” what “Satanism” is supposed to be all about. Few are even aware they have a soul and those who know we do, most are ignorant as to how to care for it and empower it. With the age of information, Wicca, with its Judeo/Christian overtones, has arrived on the scene, once again, working to deprive practitioners of any serious power. Paganism recognizes the Elder Gods, but as a whole remains ignorant concerning the history of these Gods, and because of this, mixes enemy and friendly Gods, which is extremely dangerous. Modern Pagans are also ignorant to the fact we have a Creator God who has been labeled as the “Devil.”

ENKI/EA
is his name.



Humanity has paid the price. Spiritual degeneration has resulted in misery, sickness, disrespect for worthwhile life, and has been at the mercy of cruel fate through ignorance. Those who are spiritually powerless and unknowing are easily controlled and manipulated by those few who *do* have this knowledge and power.



The Christian churches are and always have been 100% material, though they try to convince an ignorant populace otherwise. The truth is- we save our own souls and the alien enemies of humanity know this. This is the real reason the world in such chaos. The enemy continues to play the game of deluding people and placing the blame for this chaos on the human race as a whole, while they, themselves have been the ones who have worked relentlessly to remove all spiritual knowledge that would have prevented much of this from this world. Only through Satan can they be defeated. Satan is our True God and Creator. He gave us “the breath of life” which is the human soul. He wishes us to empower ourselves and to advance spiritually.

..................................

Unto the terror
Of the Earth, and to our comfort
And of such as are prepared!

...........................................


Brightest Comet in Over Forty Years

Comet McNaught (C/2006 P1) has not only become the brightest comet SOHO has ever seen, but even the brightest comet observed in over forty years! The comet swung by the sun on Jan 12th - 15th, and is now emerging into the skies of the southern hemisphere. During its close encounter with our mother star, comet McNaught became a naked-eye object in broad daylight. It was discovered on August 7th, 2006 by the hugely successful comet discoverer Rob McNaught (Siding Spring Survey). At time of discovery, the comet was a very faint object, but the predicted perihelion distance (closest distance to the sun) of just 0.17 AU indicated already that the object had the potential to become very bright.

As you are probably aware, the LASCO instrument on-board SOHO has the ability to watch comets as they get extremely close to the Sun.

Fortunately for us, comet McNaught has passed right through the LASCO C3 field of view!

Or we would have a ccd bakeout now!!

We do not know exactly the peak brightness of the comet yet, but it is definitely brighter than -3 mag!!!!!!!!!!!!!



It is thus much brighter than comet NEAT or comet 96P/Machholz.


In other words, comet McNaught is by far the brightest and most spectacular comet SOHO has ever seen!

1/16/2007 12:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It must be pointed out that the Vedas existed in space before being written down.



Likewise in Hinduism, the Goddess Tara (Sanskrit: Tāra, Devanagari: तार) meaning "star" is the second of the Dasa (ten) Mahavidyas or "Great Wisdom(Goddesse)s", Tantric manifestations of Mahadevi, Kali or Parvati.


As the star is seen as a beautiful but perpetually self-combusting thing, so Tara is perceived at core as the absolute, unquenchable hunger that propels all life.

In the Hindu epic The Ramayana, Tara is the name of Vali's queen. Vali is the monkey king who is killed by Rama, at the behest of his brother Sugriva.



The oral tradition gives an intriguing origin to the goddess Tara. The legend begins with the churning of the ocean between the Devas (Hindu Gods) and Asuras (Hindu Demons).

The Deva Shiva drank the poison that was created from the churning of the ocean (in the process turning his throat blue and earning him the epithet Nilakantha), thus saving the world from destruction, but fell unconscious under its powerful effect.

Tara Ma appeared and took Shiva on her lap. She suckled him, the milk from her breasts counteracting the poison, and he recovered.

This story is reminiscent of the one in which Shiva stops the rampaging Kali by becoming an infant.

Seeing the child, Kali's maternal instinct comes to the fore, and she becomes quiet and nurses the infant Shiva.

In both cases, Shiva assumes the position of an infant vis-à-vis the Goddess.



The similarities in appearances between Kali and Tara are striking and unmistakable.

They both are described as standing upon a supine Shiva in inert or corpselike form.

However, while Kali is described as black, Tara is described as blue. Both wear minimal clothing, however Tara wears a tiger skin skirt, while Kali wears only a girdle of severed human arms.

Both wear a necklace of severed human heads and the previously mentioned girdle of arms. Both have a lolling tongue, and blood oozes from their mouths.

Their appearances are so strikingly similar that it is easy to mistake one for the other. Indeed, they are often said to be manifestations of each other; for example, in their thousand-name hymns they share many epithets as well as having each others names. Tara, for example, is called Kalika, Ugra-kali, Mahakali, and Bhadra-kali. Tara is said to be more approachable to the devotee (Bhakta) or Tantrika because of her maternal instincts; however a large population of Bengali Hindus approach Kali herself as "Ma" or "mother".

Like Kali, furthermore, Tara in her Hindu context enjoys blood. In her hymn of a hundred names from the Mundamala-tantra, she is called "She Who Likes Blood", "She Who Is Smeared with Blood" and "She Who Enjoys Blood Sacrifice".

The Tara-tantra describes Tara's delight in both animal and human blood but says that the latter is more pleasing to her.

The blood of devotees is to be taken from specified parts of the body, such as the forehead, hands, breasts, head, or area between the eyebrows; some of these areas may correspond to the different chakras, spiritual centers within the body.

Tara can be distinguished visually from Kali primarily via her implements. Four armed, she carries a sacrificial sword, a severed head or skull cup, a lotus and scissors. Kali never holds a lotus or a pair of scissors.

Fear Not she intones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara
Tara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1/16/2007 01:45:00 AM  
Anonymous 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqHomj2XYak

"Jakob Lemy Zook. I'm an Amish Exorcism musician. My mind
and body was abused and tortured in the Project Monarch psychic
experiments involving Joesef Mengela's human triplet paranormal
experiments of trauma which tore open a 6th dimension psychic hole in
my brain, not unlike a cosmic black hole, leading to God's "Angel
Nation". After being stolen as a child at the age of 7 from my family
farm I was taken to the 31 acre underground Monarch child cage complex
at the Harrisburg mental Institution. After much trauma and mind
torture I escaped the underground child Monarch cages at the age of 14
after witnessing horrific child murders in the iron cages stacked high
to the ceilings in the underground Aberdeen Proving Ground military
facilities nearby. Other children under the mind control Monarch
experiments at the underground facilities at the 7 Gage Of Hell region
in Hellam were ordered to kill other children in the cages. I witnessed
the brutal mutilation and torture death of 9 little girls in a cage
which created so much psychic trauma and mind damage in me "as intended
from the experiment" it tore open a psychic hole in my brain, in my
mind to the 6th dimenision of God's Angel Nation and I learned that God
is an intelligent star. And another psychic hole was torn open in my
brain, the 4th dimension of the Reptillian's, "The Mothmen". I managed
to escape Aberdeen aided by a soldier I befriended while imprisoned,
through the tunnels. I hid in a jeep while the soldier drove me to the
outside area. At 14 years old the soldier let me loose in the
surrounding woods in a secluded section of Maryland and told me to run
quickly into hiding. From the Monarch psychic mind hole tunnel in my
mind to the Angel Nation I was guided by Lionstar Lionous the 96th
Angel. Walking through the woods I came upon a dirt road where I asked
an Amish family in an Amish carriage for a ride. Charles and Mary
Stolfuz took me home to their Amish family in Lancaster, Pa where I
lived in secrecy until the age of 23 as an Amish. I was given the name
"Jakob Lemy Zook." I learned to play electric guitar and developed a
strange talented music gift exorcising demons from victims in the
Pennsy-Trancesylvania outback with my musical exorcism tool, a Fender
Telecaster Guitar and a Pignose Amp. At 23 I left the family and lost
all memory of all that had ever occured before. A pre-programmed life
history had been pre-programmed in me to kick in at age 23 as a child
at Aberdeen. Memories of growing up elsewhere. An amnesia had set in, a
false memory programming of a different life was in place from the
Monarch Project. A false memory in place but never enacted for their
purpose because of my escape. For 20 years I wandered performing in
many heavy metal, and Rock bands. Experiencing strange dreams of child
torture. Now at 43, "I've not really aged in years like normal humans
because of Mengela's youth experiments." (Mengela hasn't age and
currently looks to be around 24 years old taking youth drugs.) I began
to have strange dreams, visions. I received a strange vision dream from
the master "Burundanga" trancer "Pig Girl" of the Martian Werewolf Clan
who has secretly denounced her involvment in her generational family
pornography trancer organization and involvement with the American
Illuminati Goverment and mind control trauma experiments at the
Aberdeen Proving Grounds. I began to remember the Child cages at
Aberdeen and the trauma experiments. In dreams I was warned by Pig Girl
(Pig Girl wears a Pig Mask) to keep constantly on the move to avoid
Haarp mind control detection, the nortorious star wars Alaskan
microwave machine pointing to this area in the wooded
Pennsyl-Trancesylvania outback. Finding refuge at the old mystical
Guinson Church on a dark winters evening I finally meet 2 Angels and
the Repitillian E-Zu-Zu as they appeared to me as prophesized in the
secret mothman prophecies from the Mothman Prophet E-Zu-Zu from the 4th
dimension Reptillian Kingdom. E-Zu-Zu does not have contempt for
humans, like most in the Reptillian Nation and is part of the "Reptillian
6" in opposition to destroying the human race in the coming Armegedden
mind control wars. The Reptillian 6 is also in hiding caught between 2
dimensions and has been ordered to be executed for their involvment
with contacting me. Reptillian's can "Shape Shift," changing from
Reptillian to Human and back. I finally meet the 95th Angel Lionstar
Lionous and the Arch Angel Michael to discuss soul savior mind control
defense tactics from the coming mind wars against the fallin Angel
Lucifer, Satan to avoid the implanted microchip beast number 666 in the
coming "Trancer Wars" and the start of Armegeddon along the ETWZ
"Experimental Trance Warfare Zone" along the Mason Dixon Line Region."

1/16/2007 01:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kali is a ferocious form of the Divine Mother, who sent her Shakti, the Mother Gauri, to free the gods from the dominion of the demonic forces Shumbh and Nishumbh, who had conquered the 3 worlds of earth, the astral plane and the celestial plane.

Kali is the goddess of time and of the transformation that is death (Kala). Lord Shiva and Mother Gauri in their destructive form are known as Mahakala and Mahakali or Kali.

Kali is the Kundalini energy that paralyses the attachments produced by the solar and lunar currents (both demons mentioned above). This attachment causes fear of death. In the ignorant ones she creates fear, while for others Kali removes the avidya (ignorance) that makes us fear death, the basic insecurity of the First Chakra , a fear rooted in the brain stem or primitive brain.

The Hindu goddess Kali is the first of the ten Mahavidyas - the others are Tara, Shodashi, Bhuvaneshwari, Bhairavi, Chinnamasta and Dhumavati, Matangi, Kamala and Bagla Mukhi. Therefore Kali is also known as Adya, the firstborn.



http://www.sanatansociety.org/hindu_gods_and_goddesses/kali.htm
Hindu Goddess Kali - the ferocious Devi Goddess

1/16/2007 02:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Virgin Mary stole from and replaced Astaroth, who was bound, as "the Lady of Heaven." Astaroth was the most popular Goddess in the pre-Christian world. Fictitious Jehova ripped off from Enlil/Beelzebub/Baal, who was the most popular God in the pre-Christian world, and then there is our beloved Creator Father Satan/Ea who wound up as the Serpent and the Devil.

Sexuality, which is the primary aspect of the life force, automatically came under intense scrutiny by the church. Orgasm directly stimulates the kundalini serpent the base of the spine. The creative energy needed to produce another human life can be used to revamp one's life force which advances and empowers one's soul.
Obviously sexual activity could not be prohibited, so fear was used to place it under strict regulation. In the xian religions, especially the Catholic Church of old, all sexual pleasure was sinful and prohibited by the church. Intercourse was only to produce children and nothing more. Nakedness became a sin because it led to lust. Masturbation was another "mortal sin." Anything that had to do with the raising of the kundalini was severely attacked by the church. The sole purpose of the Christian Church was for the removal of knowledge and nothing more.

While the masses have been stripped of this knowledge and power, a select few who have worked to remove this knowledge use it liberally to enslave the unknowing world. The Jesuit assassins of the Catholic Church are known to even levitate as they draw off of the psychic power from the prayers of their unknowing victims.

...............................

The picture becomes clear where the twisted story of the Serpent in the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden comes from. Once a very sacred and revered symbol of Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia, representing the attainment of equality with God for human beings, with the emergence of Judeo-Christianity, it now becomes the epitome of all "evil" and "sin." The Tree of Life is a map of the human soul and the serpent is the kundalini force lying dormant an the end of the spine.

The True God and Creator of humanity (Satan/Ea) was maligned and cursed. His symbols were desecrated and defiled. The Old Gods, Baal (Beelzebub/Enlil), Dagon, Nergal, Belial and many others, were made into "Demons and Devils."Followers of these Gods were murdered enmasse.Libraries of ancient knowledge were sacked and destroyed, in order to erase all memory of and ties with the original Gods.

1/16/2007 02:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Keith said...

Interestin posts about New Orleans in this page. I am a native of N.O. just back from there. The city almost seemed to have been picked out as a test tube for what happens when lawlessness leaves, how can we get our blackwater guys some training in these situations in America. The gentleman who was just released by NOPD after they shot and killed his retarded brother was a man I worked with for several years at Federal Express. He was an upright black man who I in no way think had any fault in this matter and the fact that my fellow residents cheered these officers as they went in to face charges for shooting civilians with no warning is upsetting.
Some memorable New Awlins scenes: It is another state of consciousness that is triggered when you see a pile that is 200 yards across, 40 feet high, and seemingly several miles long of the detritus of one american city being piled up for hauling to the land fills. Every conceivable consumer good of all imaginable qualities and costs now rendered useless and as one truck is being loaded from one end of this pile to haul out another arrives at the other end to be offloaded. Take a good look at all your "stuff" folks. And take a look at your credit card bills.

Even now after a year and some months, even many of the wealthier newer neighborhoods of New Orleans are lifeless. Maybe 2 houses in 10 have someone in them repairing or living in again. In many places. All greenery seems to suddenly have disappeared from the soils...was it cuz it was underwater for 4 weeks or because of the toxics?... scary stuff indeed, as every area that was underwater has a strange lifeless gray appearance. The search grids are still on many of the houses and always shocking to see a number on the houses where someone was found. It seems like the set of one of those early 70's movies where the last man on earth wanders through endless empty remnants looking for other survivors. This is two weeks ago mind you... Oh and Robert Anton Wilson definitely changed my entire life with his writings and I was thinking of how Jeff somehow reminds me of him and to hear earlier in these comments that RAW's passed... well, ... thanks Bob for influencing a fun ride and I'm glad to find this site and hear you guys snip at each other in playful and not so playful tones at times.

1/16/2007 02:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I rest my case.

DJB: Why do you think it is then, that it took so long for occult knowledge to come out of secrecy and into the open?

ROBERT: Well, that's largely because of the Catholic church. Anybody who spoke too frankly for many centuries was burned at the stake. So the alchemists, hermeticists, Illuminati and other groups learned to speak in codes.


................................

ROBERT: They do have some shadowy feminine counterparts. There's the Lilith, the female Devil, and buried in Judaism there's the Shekinah, the female aspect of God. I'm more interested in the way that the Devil infiltrated Christianity disguised as Santa Claus. Very few people realize the archetypes are the same. It's the old pagan fertility god. Satan is the caricature that the Christian church created, but the fertility god came back as Santa, and he wears the same red suit as the Devil. The name Satan and Santa are made up of the same letters; you just move one and you've changed Santa into Satan.

RMN: That's interesting. The Devil and sexuality are correlated in many people's minds. Religious and political authorities have consistently attempted to control human sexuality and nip individual freedom in the bud. How do you see the role of sexuality evolving into the future?

ROBERT: I was just reading Jean Shinoda Bolen's book Gods in Everyman yesterday, and I found some of myself in Hades, though that's the younger me back in my adolescence and early twenties. I also see parts of myself in Hermes, but I see a great deal of Dionysus. My mystical feelings and my sexual feelings are so close together that I find it hard to understand how Western society ever separated them. But that just goes to show that I'm a Dionysian type. Our society is run by Zeus types and Apollo types to whom the separation is perfectly natural.

RMN: Do you think society is evolving towards a more Dionysian character?

ROBERT: Yeah. We have been since the sixties. Woodstock was a Dionysian festival--it was the rebirth of Dionysus--and right away the lid came down. My God Dionysus is loose! King Pentheus immediately called out the cops. The Dionysian religion had entered his kingdom and he tried to crush it, but he was torn apart by his own mother. That's a warning of what happens when you try to suppress Dionysus; it's one of the classic Greek myths. Look what happened to Nixon--he got torn apart. The only president to be forced to resign. Reagan escaped unscathed but I still have an intuition that he's going to be repudiated. I think the people are going to be as disgusted with Reagan as they were with Nixon--eventually. I even had high hopes that George Bush was going to be impeached. Of course, he picked Quayle as impeachment insurance, but I just have a strong suspicion, based on Confucius, that the general decline of morals and manners in this country, the general increase in the sleaze factor in American life and the general corruption and crookedness, are all due to the fact that people like Nixon and Agnew get away scot-free. They had television pictures of DeLorean peddling cocaine. When I heard about this I said, "A man with that much money isn't going to be convicted, even if they have him on television." And he wasn't.

Once everybody becomes aware that the rich can commit any crime in the book and get away with it, then the general attitude is, "Well, why don't we do the same?" The whole sociobiology of Confucius is when the ruling class are decent, honorable, gentlemen scholars, the people will be well disposed; when the government is a bunch of thieving rascals, the people will become thieving rascals.

http://www.mavericksofthemind.com/raw-int.htm
Mavericks of the Mind - Robert Anton Wilson
....................



Dionysus was one of two children that Zeus had with mortal women,
this always would piss off Hera.

Dionysus, he is known as "The Frenzied One". This comes from the fact that he had a large following of women who had fallen into a frenzy or "mania". These women were taken by a madness that compelled them to run around in a craze and often times become violent. Many of these frenzied outbursts had a strong sexual content. All of these different images of the god Dionysus make it appear as thought he Greek people saw in him all of the non-conventional aspects of society.

The Cult of the Souls

In Greek mythology, Maenads were female worshippers of Dionysus, the Greek god of mystery, wine and intoxication, and the Roman god Bacchus. The word literally translates as "raving ones". They were known as wild, insane women who could not be reasoned with. The mysteries of Dionysus inspired the women to ecstatic frenzy; they indulged in copious amounts of violence, bloodletting, sexual activity, self-intoxication, and mutilation. They were usually pictured as crowned with vine leaves, clothed in fawnskins and carrying the thyrsus, and dancing with wild abandon.

They also were characterised as entranced women, wandering through the forests and hills.Also, they are described as mad women and nurses of Dionysus, wandering through the mountains. They went into the mountains at night and practised strange rites. Compare also the description in Homer's Illiad, Book VI, beginning at line 130.

" ... he that on a time drave down over the sacred mount of Nysa the nursing mothers of mad Dionysus; and they all let fall to the ground their wands ..."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maenad

See you all some time later.

Thanks for the learning experience.

1/16/2007 03:09:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

dude, you do not listen well at all, do you? Listen fella, I do not even read your spam anymore, so my guess is that very few others do either.

Last comments for you, so spam away.

1/16/2007 04:42:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

anon 10:16,

We may be brothers in intention. I agree that beliefs are a problem. They seem to tie us by resonance, to various discarnate entities. These demons seem to be quite invested in maintaining a fixed relationship to their hosts. If your beliefs change, they have to find a new home. And nobody really likes to move.

Submit to God alone, and the blasphemy of mans dictates being presented as God's dictates will be overcome.

1/16/2007 05:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Witch Hunt"

The night is black
Without a moon
The air is thick and still
The vigilantes gather on
The lonely torch lit hill

Features distorted in the flickering light
The faces are twisted and grotesque
Silent and stern in the sweltering night
The mob moves like demons possessed
Quiet in conscience, calm in their right
Confident their ways are best

The righteous rise
With burning eyes
Of hatred and ill-will
Madmen fed on fear and lies
To beat and burn and kill

They say there are strangers who threaten us
In our immigrants and infidels
They say there is strangeness too dangerous
In our theaters and bookstore shelves
That those who know what's best for us
Must rise and save us from ourselves

Quick to judge
Quick to anger
Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in hand...

.......................................................

Hecate Cerrydwyn
Dark Mother, take us in
Hecate Cerrydwyn
Let us be reborn

........................................................
Demeter And Persephone

I

Once when Demeter was going through the world, giving men grain to be sown in their fields, she heard a cry that came to her from across high mountains and that mounted up to her from the sea. Demeter's heart shook when she heard that cry, for she knew that it came to her from her daughter, from her only child, young Persephone.

She stayed not to bless the fields in which the grain was being sown, but she hurried, hurried away, to Sicily and to the fields of Enna, where she had left Persephone. All Enna she searched, and all Sicily, but she found no trace of Persephone, nor of the maidens whom Persephone had been playing with. From all whom she met she begged for tidings, but although some had seen maidens gathering flowers and playing together, no one could tell Demeter why her child had cried out nor where she had since gone to.

There were some who could have told her. One was Cyane, a water nymph. But Cyane, before Demeter came to her, had been changed into a spring of water. And now, not being able to speak and tell Demeter where her child had gone to and who had carried her away, she showed in the water the girdle of Persephone that she had caught in her hands. And Demeter, finding the girdle of her child in the spring, knew that she had been carried off by violence.She lighted a torch at Etna's burning mountain, and for nine days and nine nights she went searching for her through the darkened places of the earth.

Then, upon a high and a dark hill, the Goddess Demeter came face to face with Hecate, the Moon. Hecate, too, had heard the cry of Persephone; she had sorrow for Demeter's sorrow: she spoke to her as the two stood upon that dark, high hill, and told her that she should go to Helios for tidings--to bright Helios, the watcher for the gods, and beg Helios to tell her who it was who had carried off by violence her child Persephone.

Demeter came to Helios. He was standing before his shining steeds, before the impatient steeds that draw the sun through the course of the heavens. Demeter stood in the way of those impatient steeds; she begged of Helios who sees all things upon the earth to tell her who it was had carried off by violence, Persephone, her child.

And Helios, who may make no concealment, said: "Queenly Demeter, know that the king of the Underworld, dark Aidoneus, has carried off Persephone to make her his queen in the realm that I never shine upon." He spoke, and as he did, his horses shook their manes and breathed out fire, impatient to be gone. Helios sprang into his chariot and went flashing away.

Demeter, knowing that one of the gods had carried off Persephone against her will, and knowing that what was done had been done by the will of Zeus, would go no more into the assemblies of the gods. She quenched the torch that she had held in her hands for nine days and nine nights; she put off her robe of goddess, and she went wandering over the earth, uncomforted for the loss of her child. And no longer did she appear as a gracious goddess to men; no longer did she give them grain; no longer did she bless their fields. None of the things that it had pleased her once to do would Demeter do any longer.



II

Persephone had been playing with the nymphs who are the daughters of Ocean--Phaeno, Ianthe, Melita, Ianeira, Acast--in the lovely fields of Enna. They went to gather flowers--irises and crocuses, lilies, narcissus, hyacinths and roseblooms--that grow in those fields. As they went, gathering flowers in their baskets, they had sight of Pergus, the pool that the white swans come to sing in.

Beside a deep chasm that had been made in the earth a wonder flower was growing--in color it was like the crocus, but it sent forth a perfume that was like the perfume of a hundred flowers. And Persephone thought as she went toward it that having gathered that flower she would have something much more wonderful than her companions had.

She did not know that Aidoneus, the lord of the Underworld, had caused that flower to grow there so that she might be drawn by it to the chasm that he had made.

As Persephone stooped to pluck the wonder flower, Aidoneus, in his chariot of iron, dashed up through the chasm, and grasping the maiden by the waist, set her beside him. Only Cyane, the nymph, tried to save Persephone, and it was then that she caught the girdle in her hands.

The maiden cried out, first because her flowers had been spilled, and then because she was being reft away. She cried out to her mother, and her cry went over high mountains and sounded up from the sea. The daughters of Ocean, affrighted, fled and sank down into the depths of the sea.

In his great chariot of iron that was drawn by black steeds Aidoneus rushed down through the chasm he had made. Into the Underworld he went, and he dashed across the River Styx, and he brought his chariot up beside his throne. And on his dark throne he seated Persephone, the fainting daughter of Demeter.

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Persephone = New
Demeter = Full

Hekate
when moon is dark.

1/16/2007 06:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In ancient times the Moon was the symbol of the Goddess, she changed in appearance every night As she was growing, towards the full moon, the light would increase, so that one could see all the mysterious silvery shadows.

As she was fading towards the new moon, the darkness would fall across the land...making it impossible to see at night. There are reasons why we do particular types of magick at different times of the moon phases The moon is the closest "planet" to our own earth, and just as the tides of the ocean are affected by the moon, so are the tides within our own bodies...


There is a lot of truth to the full moon theory.

People that are more sensitive to energies are highly influenced by the moon tides The more magick that you do, the more in tune you become with the cycles of the moon, and the more you have what we call,

The magickal tides" in your own body.

So why do we celebrate the moon? The time of the full Moon is when the Lady, or the Goddess is in her full power...the tides of the earth, and in our own bodies are at their highest.

It is an incredible time to do magick.


The Full Moon represents the time of the "Mother" aspect of the Goddess...when she wants to bless as her children


The New Moon is the Maiden aspect of the Goddess....time of all possibilities,



The Dark Moon, two days before the new moon, is the time of Hekate.



The last two days before the new moon are called the Dark Moon...the time of Hekate. In my tradition we do not do magick at that time. It is a very powerful time for meditations and going within yourself.

There is plenty of time the rest of the month to do magick, without doing so in the dark moon.

As you can see,the moon is in Sagitarius now and going in the dark
cycle.

Doei

1/16/2007 06:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW!!! This bog went way over the top. Amazing how many speak of ancient Gods and Goddesses. They existed and still exist.
And and are the creation of the Creator, God Almighty.

It really is so much simpler than all the attempts by the mind to figure out God.

Hint: We all knew God before we made this journey to Earth. So God dwells in our memory somewhere...........

AND SOME OF US ARE REMEMBERING.....

Your Very Loving and Conscious God is revealing Himself and His Perfect Plan for the Salvation of Mankind..SURRENDER!!

1/16/2007 10:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.

Everything has its wonders, even darkness and silence, and I learn whatever state I am in, therin to be content

Never bend your head. Hold it high. Look the world straight in the eye.

People do not like to think. If one thinks, one must reach conclusions. Conclusions are not always pleasant.

The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched. They must be felt within the heart.

Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure.

Helen Keller
US blind & deaf educator (1880 - 1968)

Sabina

2/18/2007 04:47:00 PM  
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