Housekeeping
I hope to have a meaningful post up later today, but I also need to make time for some overdue maintenance updating the archives and the links, mending some broken buttons, maybe refreshing the radio playlist: those kinda things. But making time is hard, since it may not even exist, and the best I can usually do to simulate the act is losing a night of sleep.
And I still mean to pack up and move blog and forum to a new home, and add a number of new features I'm excited about, but the time I need to make that happen I haven't found yet. But soon, I hope. And hope does exist, even if time doesn't.
posted by Jeff Wells at 10/13/2006 04:28:00 AM
52 Comments:
Sense of time changes with state of consciousness. If your thinking is based in the intellect, time has a certain "feel" and "behavior" which is different in its characterisics from time perceived from more holistic mental states. I've been reading Henri Bortoft's book The Wholeness of Nature, which goes into this kind of thing pretty thoroughly and convincingly. Bortoft was a student of David Bohm, and the book mainly presents Goethe's work in science as something to be taken very seriously for our age.
Anyway, "disproving time" should usually be taken to mean something more like this: "using the intellect to find a contradiction in the intellectual explanation of time."
The intellect isn't a self-sufficient entity, but we've been trained to assume that it is, and it usually feels that way to ordinary modern consciousness.
"Exhaustion is the shortest way to equality and fraternity, and liberty is added eventually by sleep." - Nietzsche
Thanks for your thoughtful - and hopeful - recent posts, Jeff. Especially for 'Fight the Real Enemy'. I have become an avid reader of this site. Happy housekeeping.
I finally got my act together to post regarding the Amish shootings on my site, having posted anonymously here about this as the cogs of my brain creaked into action - helped by the intelligent discussion here.
Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
So if the time between my typing this and your reading it is an illusion, it's like I'm massaging your brain with photons. Hope you've enjoyed it as much as I have.
Yes, I like smoking pot early in the day.
m-m-m-moving!? :( I like this place.....I dont have any of the problems I have seen others talk about here.....they just have unstable platforms.
There are lots of spam links in the old comment threads, in case you didn't know. God, I hate those. I got all excited when I saw my blog had gotten comments, but all of them flunked the Turing test along the lines of, "Great blog, here's my link."
Hey little sister, what have you done......
Time is thought, and thought is the process of memory that creates time as yesterday, today, and tomorrow, as a thing that we use as a means of achievement, as a way of life. Time to us is extraordinarily important, life after life, one life leading to another life that is modified, that continues. Surely, time is the very nature of thought, thought is time. And as long as time exists as a means to something, the mind cannot go beyond itself - the quality of going beyond itself belongs to the new mind, which is free of time. Time is a factor in fear. By time, I don't mean the chronological time, by the watch - second, minute, hour, day, year, but time as a psychological, inward process. It is that fact that brings about fear. Time is fear; as time is thought, it does breed fear; it is time that creates frustration, conflicts, because the immediate perception of the fact, the seeing of the fact is timeless.…
J. Krishnamurti
Interesting article on the development of the concept of time, through time.
Time and its Discontents
All your Idol are belong to me !
;-)
As the numbers of civilian casualties in Iraq since the US invasion are bandied about, on top of the horrors and needless violence that seem a constant of the human condition in this century and all centuries past, I'm beginning to wonder if blood sacrifice works. I mean, what other explanation is there? Would the Mayans have done it for centuries if something wasn't gained from it? Sure, wars make the weapons manufacturers boatloads of money, but is directed death on a grand scale used somehow in an occultic sense (or otherwise) by the monsters who rule us? In the same way child rape also fulfills some dark need? Does it provide a power that ultimately corrupts the beneciaries (I hope)?
Historical time is a circle. The mythic fall of Atlantis is about to occur, once again.
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The topic of the convention of time is quite intriguing.
Here's a link to a segment authored by Bob Simon for 60 Minutes in the aftermath of the Indonesian Tsunami a couple of years prior:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/18/60minutes/main681558.shtml
The applicable snippet from the aforementioned link:
We had come here to find out whether these people had survived the tsunami. We wound up captivated by their culture. We had never seen anything like it.
The Moken don't know how old they are. Ivanoff says this is because, "Time is not the same concept as we have. You can't say for instance, 'When.' It doesn't exist in Moken language."
And Ivanoff says "when" is not the only word missing from the Moken language. "Want" is another. "Yes, you use it very often," says Ivanoff. "Take that out of your language and you see how often you use it. 'I want this, I want that.'"
There is also no word for "take." "You take something," says Ivanoff. "You give or you take. You don't want."
The fact is, the Moken want very little. What they don’t want is to accumulate anything. Baggage is not good for a nomadic people. It ties you down. They have no notion and no desire for wealth.
Is there any other word missing from the Moken language? "No goodbye, no hello," says Ivanoff. "That's quite difficult. Imagine after one year, you live with them, and then you go. You go. That’s it. Finish."
And, there are no greetings. While 60 Minutes was on a Thai Moken island, a flotilla from Burma dropped by. They didn’t seem terribly excited by this. But visits from relatives, and they’re all relatives, happen all the time. And since there is no notion of time, it doesn’t matter if the last visit was a week ago or five years ago. There’s just a constant commingling. And, in the wake of the tsunami, they’re all busy now, rebuilding their boats and their lives.
Please, read the entire story....it's quite fascinating, actually.
Maybe the PTB will find a way to bring random school house shootings to the Moken.
Anonymous One,on the discussion board,there is talk of the Nick Berg video.Someone should check the watermarks between the Abu Ghraib videos and the beheading videos.It was said a couple people that work for Kodak ran a test and found a match of watermarks between these videos,maybe they just used the same camera from rent-a-center,later.
annasurvivor,
you might be interested to read this blog, which outlines what an NSA Self Initiated Execution (Suicide) looks like . . . it strikes me that both school shootings could fit this model.
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PKD says the Empire never ended. This is both true and false. False because it implies that there is a past in which the Empire might have ended. True because the Empire is eternal, existing like time as an illusion.
In fact, the Empire is time itself.
"PKD says..."
you people need to stop getting your inspiration from a paranoid, dead novelist with a goddamn brain tumor. it's really not helpful at all.
Great topic and links today, folks! I’m looking for that Bortoft, Anony, but our libraries are funded on the no book left behind model, so…
Luposapien,
That Zerzan link is awesome. He looks at the problem of time from such an interesting perspective, and this--a different perspective--is quite often the key to finding solutions to “intractable” problems. Here’s the first thing that leapt off the screen and hit me in the head: he talks about our concept of time as a negative, enslaving force:
“…the sudden, panicky awareness of time, the frightening sense of our being tied to it. Time is increasingly a key manifestation of the estrangement and humiliation that characterize modern existence. It illuminates the entire, deformed landscape and will do so ever more harshly until this landscape and all the forces that shape it are changed beyond recognizing.”
We’re so used to thinking of the approaching doom as the result of the machinations of perverts with weird haircuts posing as public servants in order to further their (usually secret) nefarious schemes, and there’s no doubt that these schemes exist, but does this explain why they’re so successful at it? In Susan Blackmore’s The Meme Machine, she talks about memes replicating in much the same way that Richard Dawkins describes genes reproducing themselves--“selfishly.” That is, it’s not necessarily for biological advantage that certain traits are passed on, but rather that natural selection kills off the unlucky hosts of less advantageous characteristics after the "bad genes" have already successfully reproduced themselves.
When Blackmore looks at the role of memes in the “march of science” or “progress” in social, technological and other trends, it soon becomes apparent that there is no progress. All that is purely our perception of things, which is so skewed by our filters that we instinctively subscribe to reductionist absurdities like the great men model (you know, the chain of superior individuals paraded on grade school walls as being “responsible” for where we are today--thieves and opportunists like Edison, etc.)
The counterintuitive reality, according to this viewpoint, is that memes only “care” about one thing: reproducing themselves, without the slightest regard for the consequences to their hosts (us). So, yeah, the titans of industry are megalomaniacal vampires, those in power are more concerned about maintaining that power than anything else, and the overlord class is generally filled with sadists, but it’s also possible that there’s something else entirely going on here. When philosophers began talking about zeitgeist, they never guessed that the ghost in time was the biggest sadist of all. So how to evade his dehumanizing clutches?
Godel was always thought to have gotten stuck on the paradoxes of time and time travel. Jeff’s link points to another Godel, one who intuited “a way out,” but was too embarrassed to tell anyone, given the spirit of the age in which he lived. His belief in the possibility of time travel seems to have been bounded by the condition that no causal chain was introduced which would conflict with what’s already happened (the famous don't shoot your grandfather syndrome). But there are new wrinkles in theorizing about time. Things like non-locality and retrocausation. If the retrocausation experiments document the ability to change an outcome determined in the past, have they not violated Godel’s injunction merely because they effected their changes in the present, when, from the vantage point of the past, our present is indistinguishable from the rest of the past's future?
Maybe there’s a way “out” of the tyranny and impending doom of being trapped in the perpetual present. Zerzan gives us another intriguing clue:
“We speak confidently of other parts, however, which we call ‘past’ and ‘future.’ But whereas things that exist in space elsewhere than here continue to exist, things that don't exist now, as Sklar (1992) observes, don't really exist at all.”
What if this were the thing about time that we didn’t understand--that all those other “nows” still do exist and are both as real as this state of eternal now that we take for granted and as accessible? Godel’s rule could still hold, since we would be in that now when we went “there” and would therefore be free to “change the entire, deformed landscape beyond recognizing.” Which brings us back to the groundhog day topic of what we'd like to see changed...
Yes, there are others who see the PA events in a certain light:
http://www.solariactionnetwork.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4654
As the numbers of civilian casualties in Iraq since the US invasion are bandied about, on top of the horrors and needless violence that seem a constant of the human condition in this century and all centuries past, I'm beginning to wonder if blood sacrifice works
Odd you mention this; it's precisely the theme I'm trying to develop for the next post. Necromancy.
Dear jeff, your meaningful post is worth waiting for.In a world of word salad and verbiose verbatim your insight/high priest museings give solace to all those who 'live' in the endtimes.
I speak as an individual who despises your planet Benetton politics and yet you have a turn of phrase which commands cognitive acknowledgement and engagement.
I lost country music but then I found you........
Couple of comments on time then I have to go
John Titor the 2001 traveller from the future said that the 2004 Olympics is the last Olympics.
I have a post on an article written by "Sol" on Friday the 13th.
I have pics of a few flint tools that I found on the shores of the Thompson River last week. Nice of them to hang around for a couple of thousand years for me to get there.
The most important thing about time is described by Dan Winter as a donut or by the following mathema..
zero=infinity=God.
Speaking of God, I found some of the original writing of Jesus yesterday.. I posted them to one of by blogs. If you haven't heard what he actually said (and you prolly haven't) check out my cygnid link.
Iridescent - The Bortoft book is one of the few that I went and simply bought brand new. I usually use the libraries and used book places (local and online).
You could try inter-library loan - there's probably a way you could check online the largest libraries in your state.
Part of Bortoft's book was first published as an inexpensive monograph, "Goethe's Scientific Consciousness," which is also in print.
Also see http://natureinstitute.org/ for a lot of related material.
Luposapien, Thanks for the Zerzan article, it was quite interesting and helpful.
A perfect metaphor for gluttonous, purblind America, feasting at the electronic Banquet of Distractions:
"I thought of a rather cruel trick I once played on a wasp. He was sucking jam on my plate, and I cut him in half. He paid no attention, merely sent on with his meal, while a tiny stream of jam trickled out of his severed esophagus. Only when he tried to fly away did he grasp the dreadful thing that had happened to him."
--George Orwell
Shine, Perishing Republic
While this America settles in the mould of its vulgarity, heavily thickening
to empire,
And protest, only a bubble in the molten mass, pops and sighs out, and the
mass hardens,
I sadly smiling remember that the flower fades to make fruit, the fruit rots
to make earth.
Out of the mother; and through the spring exultances, ripeness and decadence;
and home to the mother.
You making haste, haste on decay: not blameworthy; life is good, be it
stubbornly long or suddenly
A mortal splendor: meteors are not needed less than mountains:
shine, perishing republic.
But for my children, I would have them keep their distance from the
thickening center; corruption
Never has been compulsory, when the cities lie at the monster's feet there
are left the mountains.
And boys, be in nothing so moderate as in love of man, a clever servant,
insufferable master.
There is the trap that catches noblest spirits, that caught -- they say --
God, when he walked on earth.
-- Robinson Jeffers
What a damnable system we have created for ourselves.
A system where it is terribly difficult, nay impossible, to just be.
annasurvivor and kitsune - thanx for the links.
and Jeff,- not to pre-empt - I'm minded to consider the slayings a while back in Egypt as a 'binding the loop' ritual.
ah Optimism
Waiting for the other shoe to drop?
I adore this blog. It has connected the dots for me many a time.
I always pray. I think a lot of other people do too.
No. I think that evil will always exist, but let us never underestimate the power of prayer.
Great post.
Interesting link on Patton.
The movies and books I read never touched on what he believed spiritually.
George was to pay with his life for not following orders.
A staged accident?
He outlived his usefullness either way.
He wanted to do things differently.
The Allied High Command saw a loose cannon.
He wanted to go after the Soviets.
Not part of great masonic plan?
To have a cold war instead.
Patton reminded me of ole Boxer the hardworking draft horse from Orwell's Animal Farm.
It is sad that many people believe in myths wholeheartedly.
Blind to any who oppose the war machine.
Preparing to give their full support and lifeblood to a system that cares not.
Boxer is the tragic avatar of the working class, or proletariat: loyal, kind, dedicated, and strong. He is not very clever and never progresses beyond the fourth letter of the alphabet. His major flaw, however, is his blind trust in the leaders, and his inability to see corruption. He is used and abused by the pigs as much or more than he was by Jones. He fights bravely in the Battles of the Windmill and the Cowshed but is upset when he thinks he has killed a stable lad. His death serves to show just how far the pigs are willing to go — when he collapses after overstraining himself, the pigs supposedly send him to a vet, when in fact he was sent to the knacker's yard to be slaughtered in exchange for a case of whiskey for the pigs. A strong and loyal draft horse, Boxer played a huge part in keeping the Farm together prior to his death. Boxer could also represent a Stakhanovite. His name is a reference to the Boxer Rebellion. His two mottos "I will work harder" and "Napoleon is always right" sum up the double side of his character.
oops wrong page..last post meant for next one.
"Shrubageddon said...
What a damnable system we have created for ourselves.
A system where it is terribly difficult, nay impossible, to just be."
this is utterly misleading, reprehensible nonsense. it is far, far too easy to 'just be' in our currently damnable system and that is a major part of the problem.
Talking about mass death. Weren't you? Gurdjieff had something to say about that. can't remeber exactly what but he suggested that the entities that rule our planet from above feed off the essence that is produced everytime someone dies. Plague, genocide, war and natural disasters are essential for survival, apparently.
Could a Gurdjieff fan check that out?
this is utterly misleading, reprehensible nonsense. it is far, far too easy to 'just be' in our currently damnable system and that is a major part of the problem.
Spoken like a true Authoritarian. Somebody's got major control issues.
Kill 2 birds w/one stone?
Mexican Investigation of Hezbollah Funding
Embassador Denies Chavez Claim US Planning to Overthrow Evo Morales
Oops. Reg. required. That's Embarrased to be an Ambassador for Ms. 'Salami Tactics' Rice. yumm...:X
U.S. DENIES CHAVEZ'S CLAIMS OF TAKEOVER PLOT
LA PAZ - The newly arrived U.S. ambassador on Friday denied recent claims by Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez that the United States was plotting to overthrow Bolivian President Evo Morales.
Philip Goldberg presented his diplomatic credentials to Morales in a closed-door meeting and spoke to reporters afterward
''That declaration [by Chávez] is false,'' Goldberg said. ``We, the United States, are here trying to promote democracy, the prosperity of the people here, economic progress, the rule of law and the freedom of the press to help the Bolivian people create their own democracy.''
>>As the numbers of civilian casualties in Iraq since the US invasion are bandied about, on top of the horrors and needless violence that seem a constant of the human condition in this century and all centuries past, I'm beginning to wonder if blood sacrifice works
Odd you mention this; it's precisely the theme I'm trying to develop for the next post. Necromancy. <<
I have mentioned before about the manuscript that Loompanics published, back in the early 90's. It was a manifesto aimed at setting up the classic NWO. A fascist regime run by people who were very much like O'brien in 1984. "Imagine an image of a boot trampling a human face, forever".
Or whatever he said.
They aimed to build a new aristicracy not based on racial or cultural lines, but simply on IQ and the ability to abuse power.
They wished to reintroduce human sacrifice and slavery.
It could have been a croc of shit... but maybe not. loompanics had a disclaimer with it - they didn't know where it came from or who wrote it and couldn't vouch for it.
>>Talking about mass death. Weren't you? Gurdjieff had something to say about that. can't remeber exactly what but he suggested that the entities that rule our planet from above feed off the essence that is produced everytime someone dies. Plague, genocide, war and natural disasters are essential for survival, apparently.
Could a Gurdjieff fan check that out? <<
That sounds familiar tho i am no Gurdjieff expert. I also can't remember if that idea was referring to just "death", or actually to "unjust death".
I am not sure that may come from somewhere else...
Something about some forces feeding off people who die of old age, and others feeding off the young, and how they feed off different things. In the young its a particular form of chi.
But then again fear and pain com into it too.
I'll try and chase something up before Jeff does his post.
Ball of confusion
That's what the world is today
Hey hey
& the beat goes on
BONAPARTE, Iowa - A 22-year-old man has been charged with murdering his parents and three teenage sisters at their home in southeastern Iowa, authorities said Sunday.
Shawn Bentler is accused of gunning down five family members and faces five counts of first-degree murder, the Van Buren County Sheriff's Office in Iowa said. He is being held on a $2.5 million bond at the Adams County jail in Quincy, Ill.
The victims were found early Saturday near Bonaparte, according to the sheriff's office. They were identified as Michael Bentler, 53; his wife, Sandra, 47; and their daughters Sheena, 17; Shelby, 15; and Shayne, 14. Autopsies were planned for Sunday.
The sheriff's office said that it received a 911 call from Shayne Bentler at 3:38 a.m. Saturday and that she told the dispatcher her brother was "going to do something."
According to sheriff's documents regarding the 911 tape, a gunshot is heard in the background and someone screams, "Shawn, no!" The line then goes dead.
-snip-
The Bentlers were an affluent family that owned an elevator and lumber company that served most of southeast Iowa.
On Sunday morning, a deputy stood guard at the street corner in front of the home — a large house that sits on 20 acres on a sprawling tree-lined bluff just outside Bonaparte.
The shootings have cast a pall on Van Buren County, a mostly rural area on the Missouri border.
At the St. Boniface Catholic Church in Farmington, where the Bentler family worshipped, some parishioners on Sunday wiped away tears as they knelt to pray, while others sat transfixed, their hands on their faces or clasped in prayer.
"You saw this in the Amish country when those girls were shot, and now it's in our backyard," youth minister Mike Linnenbrink said, referring to the shooting deaths of five girls at Amish school in Pennsylvania this month. "It's not surprising at all that we turn to church at this time. This is a tight community, not just in Van Buren County, but in all of southeast Iowa."
The only person talkin' about love thy brother is the preacher
and it seems nobody's interested in learning
but the teacher
And the band played on
http://bensguide.gpo.gov/3-5/symbols/taps.html
Here's how it works...parents eagerly fall to their knees in submissive supplication to civilization & all its attendant bullshit.
When their kids say fuck off daddio, i ain't sucking Satan's pecker.
The parent's drug them.
Good system.
Sounds like totalitarianism begins, first & foremost, in the home.
Seig Heil mommy & daddy
"There has been a staggering jump in the percentage of children diagnosed with a mental illness and treated with psychiatric medications. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that in 2002 almost 20 percent of office visits to pediatricians were for psychosocial problems -- eclipsing both asthma and heart disease. That same year the Food and Drug Administration reported that some 10.8 million prescriptions were dispensed for children -- they are beginning to outpace the elderly in the consumption of pharmaceuticals. And this year the FDA reported that between 1999 and 2003, 19 children died after taking prescription amphetamines -- the medications used to treat ADHD. These are the same drugs for which the number of prescriptions written rose 500 percent from 1991 to 2000.
Some psychiatrists speculate that this stunning increase in childhood psychiatric disease is entirely due to improved diagnostic techniques. But setting aside the children with legitimate mental illnesses who must have psychiatric medications to function normally, much of the increase in prescribing such medications to kids is due to the widespread use of psychiatric diagnoses to explain away the results of poor parenting practices. According to psychiatrist Jennifer Harris, quoted in the January/February issue of Psychotherapy Networker, "Many clinicians find it easier to tell parents their child has a brain-based disorder than to suggest parenting changes."
Parents and teachers today seem to believe that any boy who wriggles in his seat and willfully defies his teacher's rules has ADHD. Likewise, any child who has a temper tantrum is diagnosed with bipolar disorder. After all, an anger outburst is how most parents define a "mood swing." Contributing to this widespread problem of misdiagnosis is the doctor's willingness to accept, without question, the assessment offered by a parent or teacher.
What was once a somber, heart-wrenching decision for a parent and something children often resisted -- medicating a child's mind -- has now become a widely used technique in parenting a belligerent child. As if they were debating parental locks on the home computer or whether to allow a co-ed sleepover, parents now share notes with each other about whose child is taking what pill for which diagnosis.
These days parents cruise the Internet, take self-administered surveys, diagnose their children and choose a medication before they ever set foot in the psychiatrist's office. If the first doctor doesn't prescribe what you want, the next one will.
There was a time in the profession of child psychiatry when doctors insisted on hours of evaluation of a child before making a diagnosis or prescribing a medication. Today some of my colleagues in psychiatry brag that they can make an initial assessment of a child and write a prescription in less than 20 minutes. Some parents tell me it took their pediatrician only five minutes. Who's the winner in this race?
Unfortunately, when a child is diagnosed with a mental illness, almost everyone benefits. The schools get more state funding for the education of a mentally handicapped student. Teachers have more subdued students in their already overcrowded classrooms. Finally, parents are not forced to examine their poor parenting practices, because they have the perfect excuse: Their child has a chemical imbalance.
The only loser in this equation is the child. It is the child who must endure the side effects of these powerful drugs and be burdened unnecessarily with the label of a mental illness. Medicating a child, based on a misdiagnosis, is a tragic injustice for the child: His or her only advocate is the parent who lacked the courage to apply appropriate discipline."
Let us pray.
Or is that "Prey"...
IC & Slomo, Glad you liked the Zerzan article. I was taking a bit of a chance there, as it's been a couple years since I read it, and just remembered the title, and that I found it very engaging. Maybe I should re-read it myself. :-) Ah well, not much free time on my hands lately.
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Hey, it's not too difficult to make time.
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/volatile/Niemitz-1997.pdf
See? ;)
Here's a film of Christianity in action in the lives of children.
No sex involved , just good, old fashioned American Taliban-style kiddie mind rape.
If this shit isn't child abuse than nothing is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co1_9lR9EpM
Also, if this is, as these fundie wingnuts assert, what God wants, than I'd say the Fucker deserved a good crucifixtion.
& the Gosch plot thickens:
http://www.woi-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5552114&nav=menu115_2
DES MOINES, Iowa Authorities say they have found information that debunks a possible break in the decades-old mystery of the disappearance of Johnny Gosch.
Investigators located a man who was photographed 28 years ago with two other boys bound and gagged on a bed. The man says he knew the other boys and neither was Gosch.
That's all according to Nelson Zalva, a retired Hillsborough County, Florida, investigator who says the photos were first uncovered in the late 1970s. He says that was years before Johnny Gosh went missing while delivering Sunday newspapers in a Des Moines suburb.
West Des Moines Police say an anonymous letter postmarked Tampa, Florida, provided names of the boys in the photo.
Zalva says the man he located, now 40 years old, says he and the two boys agreed to be bound and gagged by a man in exchange for firecrackers.
Johnny Gosch's mother says she's still sure the photos left on her doorstep show her son.
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