Tuesday, October 24, 2006

Under the Weather



I was hoping to post an update this morning, but another Fall cold is forcing me to lie down for a while first. So please use this as an open thread and I'll get back as soon as I can.

54 Comments:

Anonymous HMKGrey said...

HMKGrey is first on the scene.

Curious news about the US exercises in the Gulf that are alarming Iran...

10/24/2006 10:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sort've off topic but did anyone catch the new Christopher Nolan movie The Prestige? Having seen Momento and Batman Returns I was expecting his typical mind-f@#k milieu but this one seems to take it up a notch.

Most notable is the cinematic portrayal of Dr. Nikola Tesla played by David Bowie. Now most would say that Tesla's appearance is a device to play off of his rivalry with Edison so as to mirror the 2 main characters' professional oneupsmanship. However, I'm prone to doubt this is the only reason Nolan put Tesla in his movie. Perhaps he's trying to revive interest in a man who's greatest inventions were likely destroyed or stolen by elements who would do anything to keep his monumental ideas a secret.

Anyone care to share some resources regarding Tesla's involvement (unwilling or otherwise) with the more shadowy aspects of business and government?

10/24/2006 11:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Well, there's 7 and 1/2 days left for the vaunted October Surprize that's been gleefully ballyhooed......but, I don't think it will be a strike on Iran....not before the elections, that is.

What do you think, RDR and Mojo Workout?

10/24/2006 11:16:00 AM  
Blogger Vemrion said...

Anybody have more info on this:

http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2006/10/ellsberg-hastert-got-suitcases-of-al.html

Hastert is accused of accepting suitcases full of drug money from Turkish elements. Haven't seen much on this in the MSM...

10/24/2006 11:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Freaked Out said...

Gesundheit, Jeff...

Try some zinc tablets. We need your acerbic insight.

This morning's news is that a judge has ordered the release of the infamous Abu Ghraib child rape images... but not before the election. Perhaps in time for Thanksgiving, so we can give thanks that we have such fine leadership to keep us safe through pacification and the winning of hearts and minds.

Someone pointed out that the money we've spent in Iraq would have enabled us to give every Iraqi $20,000.

Maybe we can use the proper end of a broomstick to sweep these scum out of US society, culture and government.

But I'm not holding my breath...

10/24/2006 11:21:00 AM  
Blogger greengaruda said...

You know what? I'd like to know if there are / were any NORAD higher-ups from Minnesota that might be friends with the late Paul Wellstone. I'm just trying to figure out if a lone voice of political dissent would warrant Wellstone's political assassination, or if perhaps he'd gotten a hold of some information that he could use against Dick and Bush. Just something I've been thinking about now and again.

Ps. With all the online payments flying around the world wide web, how easy would it be to frame-up someone as having "contributed to terrorism" simply by electronically faking a PayPal payment or otherwise, giving the Feds a pretext for labeling someone an "enemy combatant" and throwing them in a bottomless pit?

10/24/2006 11:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Also, surely Iran is astute concerning American Electoral Politics. It certainly wouldn't be in their best interests to promulgate a preemptive attack before the elections. Let's give them more credit than this, please.

Or, maybe Iran knows American Electoral Politics are a sham, and their actions will not be predicated on such. But, if that is indeed the case.....that American Electoral Politics are a sham, why would there be any need for the U.S. to provoke an attack pre-election? It's a sham anyway, right? Isn't it enough to rig the electronic voting machines without provoking Iran into an attack?

10/24/2006 11:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Gouda said...

Me too. Urgh.

Yes, zinc. Vitamin D. Garlic and citrus overload. A dish spiced up with a little hot peperoncino. Tea, lemon, honey. Lots of well filtered water. And rest.

10/24/2006 12:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Try Hydrogen Peroxide.

10/24/2006 12:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Dr. Bombay said...

Vanity Fair covered that story about Denny Hastert over a year ago. Sibel Edmonds came across that
information when she was working for the F.B.I. but they told her to
keep her mouth shut. Acording to
people on the inside Hastert received as much as $500,000 dollars. Re: Vanity Fair Sept. 2005

10/24/2006 01:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Esk said...

Anyone read this take by Matt Taibbi in Rolling Stone about 9/11 conspiracies?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11818067/the_low_post_the_hopeless_stupidity_of_911_conspiracies

I think Taibbi is the finest young writer in the American media. If we have an heir to Twain and Mencken, etc., this is the guy.

Personally, I've had a great deal of difficulty staking out a position on the debate. I don't think an explicit Reichstag-style conspiracy is credible -- I always wind up talking about "systems" and so forth. By being a bit to literal-minded Taibbi misses some of the more interesting questions, I think.

10/24/2006 01:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Thanks for the link, but, I for one, refuse to read anything further concerning 911. Been there...done that....and I'm not quite sure why so many folks keep gravitating back to it.

It's time to move on.....in fact, it's been time for quite some time, now.

10/24/2006 01:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hot water, maple syrup, lemon or lime juice, to taste. Use as a cleansing drink. It's one of those remedies I've found in several independent places.

10/24/2006 01:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Several gallons of unfiltered water from the Ganges will do the trick.

10/24/2006 01:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Eli said...

I wasn't sure if this warranted a thread of its own on the boards, so hopefully this is a more appropriate place. I was wondering if anyone out there could help me find some information. A few years ago, possibly four now, I remember reading a series of news stories about a man in the US who had made millions on the stock market on some questionable trades and was subsequently arrested. When questioned by police he claimed he was from the future, and I seem to remember that his identity was in doubt. Then the story disappeared.

Does anybody remember this? Does anyone know if the articles still exist anywhere?

10/24/2006 01:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

I would be interested in reading those articles, as well.

Sounds a little like K-PAX, which I thought was a decent movie.

10/24/2006 02:10:00 PM  
Anonymous postrchild said...

Shrubageddon said...
Thanks for the link, but, I for one, refuse to read anything further concerning 911. Been there...done that....and I'm not quite sure why so many folks keep gravitating back to it.

It's time to move on.....in fact, it's been time for quite some time, now.
__________________________________

Well shrub youre like 1 for 6 on your comments today.......5/6 was worthless and I am one of the few who cosistently enjoys your sarcasm. But this one is a gem, if you will. I too must agree, the water is too muddy concerning 911 nowadays. When I was a kid we didnt swim in murky water because you couldnt see alligators. Seems kinda fitting now too. But time has a way of clearing the waters usually.....but dont hold your breath for this one. An eternal mudpuddle.

I will now use this opportunity to ask whats up with the cold bugs going around this year. I usually never get sick and have been sick twice already this season. So has jeff, though I cant vouch for his constitution, other than mental, and then only tentatively....Is there a new strain of bug we have yet to be informed of?

10/24/2006 02:42:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Oldest cure in the world, Jeff: a whopping hot & fresh space cake, followed by a sauna, followed by a quart of fresh orange juice. Back on your feet, well maybe hands and knees at first, in no "time."

10/24/2006 02:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Well shrub youre like 1 for 6 on your comments today.......5/6 was worthless and I am one of the few who cosistently enjoys your sarcasm.

Gee, where do I begin?

1.) Sorry to nitpick, but it's you're, not youre.

2.) No need for past tense on the value explanation of my comments. It should read 5/6 ARE worthless.

3.) Not that I care, but on what basis do you claim your use of the word "few?" I think that is a very valid question, and one you need to answer, intelligently, since you so smugly assert it.

4.) Only 1 out of the 6 posts were sarcastic, so you're quite unskilled at detecting sarcasm, obviously. My first two posts about Iran and The Vaunted October Surprize are quite valid....as valid as anything posted thus far. My third post about Hydrogen Peroxide is also quite valid and not sarcastic. Perhaps if you take the time to research it, you will learn that it is considered a cure, by some, for the cold and/or flu. My fourth post about the Ganges was sarcastic, but in no way worthless, as you assert. My fifth post about the the man from the future articles was not sarcastic. And, finally, my last post prior to this was not sarcastic, either. Interesting, though, how you consider someones thoughts and/or comments "worthless" when you don't necessarily agree with them. How charming and flexible.

I have a suggestion for you. You can stop the brainwashing Anony os pulling on you now, before it's too late. Your last critical and dismissive comments reek of "their" persuasion.

10/24/2006 03:08:00 PM  
Anonymous rocco32 said...

Hope you get better soon Jeff, you've been on a tear lately. You've gotten ill a couple of times now it seems. You sure you have the "flu"? Check out this article in the LA Weekly of this mysterious, untreatable "staff infection".

http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/the-scourge-of-skid-row/14810/

10/24/2006 03:57:00 PM  
Anonymous rocco32 said...

Oops, link got cut off. I'll html the link.
Scourge of Skid Row

Looks like yet another mysterious disease is spreading through California. I wonder if this is tied to the Morgellons mystery. Death from Above.

Around the county, a spot check of hospitals shows a half dozen or more cases being diagnosed in some emergency rooms every week. “It is now the single most common cause of skin infections, which is remarkable, because five years ago it was close to zero,” says Dr. Gregory Moran, clinical professor of medicine in the department of emergency medicine and the Division of Infectious Diseases at Olive View–UCLA Medical Center. “It has quickly emerged as a cause of these infections in regular people out in the community. We now have showed that it is not just limited to people in specific risk groups. Now potentially everyone in the community is at risk. Healthy young people are getting it.”

10/24/2006 04:03:00 PM  
Anonymous chz said...

I do agree Shrub, most of your comments actually are pretty worthless. Do you hang around and post to this blog every 2 minutes?

10/24/2006 04:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff - get well soon. You seem to have a lot of colds. I swear by zinc and vitamin C - seems to get the immune system going. My wife put me on to them and I'm really grateful she did. Peace

10/24/2006 04:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Thanks for that link, rocco32.

My 8 year old daughter was going on a field trip, of her choosing, to work at the Food Bank next week. Now, I'm not so sure I will let her.

10/24/2006 04:21:00 PM  
Blogger Vemrion said...

Complimenting Shrubageddon is like hugging a porcupine. It's not worth the effort.

10/24/2006 04:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

911 and Freemasons, dude....like...that's so cool.

Did you ever stop to think you fit a very predictable stereotype....or maube you know that, and it was intentional?

It's a real freaky subculture, let alone a strategic disinfo campaign.

And, since when is an insult followed by an acknowledgment considered a compliment.

The people who have complimented me here, are the people who are genuinely good folks. Folks like Iridescent Cuttlefish, Starroute, Jules, Richard, Luposapien, Sounder, Amanda and Rapt. I was fond of Atem...but I don't know where he's gone. Also, I miss Silly Rabbit, but I'm afraid she's gone back to reading vogue because of folks like you who want to carry her off to a cave somewhere to save her from the Lizard People.

10/24/2006 04:36:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

"Jeff - get well soon. You seem to have a lot of colds."

Thanks, and yeah, I do. Life's out of balance. After work and family, it's either maintain my sites or sleep. And sometimes I just have to sleep.

10/24/2006 04:49:00 PM  
Anonymous panoptican said...

my cold remedy involes bees. you should give it a try.

seriously though, kia ora koe.

10/24/2006 04:59:00 PM  
Blogger Vemrion said...

Also, I miss Silly Rabbit, but I'm afraid she's gone back to reading vogue because of folks like you who want to carry her off to a cave somewhere to save her from the Lizard People.

It's amazing you get any compliments considering the amount of insults you dish out.

Did you ever stop to think you fit a very predictable stereotype...

Oh, would this be the one that you're sooooo far above? Thanks for getting off your high horse to give me a helping hand.

And, since when is an insult followed by an acknowledgment considered a compliment.[sic]

Maybe he's holding you to a high standard because you post so much. Half the time your comments are a barrier to understanding, not an aid to it. Sometimes less is more, Shrub.

Personally I could do with a little less of your wild accusations, such as the time, oh... 42 minutes ago, where you implied that postrchild was talking like.... one of... THEM!!! (cue ominous music)

I've think you've accused basically everybody here except Jeff of being a disinfo agent. We have a saying where I come from: He who smelt it, dealt it. Profound, I know. But the point is valid.

10/24/2006 05:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Mojo Workout said...

This is a response to the very last two posts on the previous thread from Shrubageddon and the Iridescent Cuttlefish.

'Fish, thanks for the reply. Yes, for certain, there is a corrupt system in place and kept that way with trillions, not even just billions of dollars (thank you, Dr. Evil for the pinkie thing!)

But, what of that?

Are we to just surrender and bend over? I think not. So how is it in any way not helpful to keep pulling the curtains back and exposing these mf's until enough of the hypnotized masses see through the scrim to the shadow makers behind?

Of course it HAS to be helpful, because just about everything f*cked up that's going on now, from the elimination of Habeus Corpus on down, is being tied to 9/11. If the lie were revealed to the majority of people then I think the whole Ponzi scheme, the entire house of cards would perforce come tumbling down. Perhaps not, but it certainly constitutes one of the best and clearest shots we've got at the moment. Kind of like the exhaust portal to the DeathStar, you know? (Just to keep the movie allusions going).

And that leads me to Shrub's question, to which I do not know the answer. Did the slave revolt of Rome led by Spartacus (not Kirk Douglas) solve anything? It doesn't seem so. Could the plantation slaves in the US have unshackled themselves and ended slavery? Doubtful.

Consider this: You most probably know how Mohandas Ghandi led the masses in India on salt marches to the sea to gather salt, in defiance of the British raj's prohibition against gathering or manufacturing salt. This not merely ended the monopoly on a commodity necessary for life in India, but the repeated acts of non-violent civil disobedience led to the fall of the raj, and with it, other parts of the British empire.

That said, there is a House Bill floating around the US congress that defines acts of NON-violent civil disobedience, AND ALSO, any non-violent actions which may adversely effect the profits of a corporation (and that would include investigative journalism bringing to light corporate wrong-doing, as well as consumer boycotts) as ACTS of TERRORISM.

Yes, that's right, there's a bill pending in the house (which is now along with the Senate on its election recess) that would make advocating a consumer boycott, or writing the truth about a corporation's misdeeds, and any number of other conventionally accepted acts of American citizenship, as ACTS of TERRORISM, punishble now under the recently signed Military Commissions Act, by arrest with secret evidence, secret imprisonment, even execution, all without the right to see the "evidence", to confront the accuser, OR even to know necessarily what one is charged with. AND, your loved ones would never even have to be informed as to what happened to you.

Welcome to Tierra de Desaparecidos, Norte.

So, can we slaves still unshackle ourselves? Good question. Now, just to tweak you both a little bit, consider this fact:

After pushing the House and Senate to pass this bill urgently, which each body did as the last act of legislation before recessing for the election, Bush waited two weeks to sign it. Why?

Well, he waited to sign it on the exact day of the 135th anniversary of the day that President Ulysses S. Grant had signed the suspension of habeus corpus for only the State of South Carolina. The reason for Grant's suspension of h.c. in S.C. was to facilitate the quashing of the Ku Klux Klan and to help enforce the rights of newly freed slaves.

The same KKK which was co-founded by Albert Pike, and in South Carolina, home then of the mother lodge of the world for all of freemasonry. Kind of at least makes you shake your head in wonder, doesn't it?

Coincidence, that Bush would wait two weeks to sign this URGENT piece of legislation, so he could do it on such an anniversary day as a kind of in-your-face retaliatory triumph? I rather doubt it.

Keith Olbermann noted the coincidence of dates, but in the role designated to him as subversive, partial truth teller, intoned with all his whiny gravitas that "surely Bush could never have imagined that this was the same exact day."

Uh, yeah, sure. Riiiight.

Peace, brothers and sisters.

Thanks for engaging in dialogue.

We all need to work on unshackling ourselves, to be sure.

10/24/2006 05:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anthony said...

If he hasn't already heard it, Jeff should go and listen to the last 10 minutes (2nd hour) of the most recent Webster Tarpley radio show (World Crisis Radio) over at RBNLive. Tarpley interviewed UK Guardian journalist / 9/11 REVEALED author Ian Henshall, and Henshall mentioned some stuff at the end of the show about Tony Blair. Tarpley asked Henshall why Blair was still taking part in the 'War on Terror' after all this time - what the rationale of his involvement was - and Henshall mentioned that he understood Blair (and Gordon Brown) had both been blackmailed by the US, with the knowledge that if they didn't support the NeoCons, a very ugly and damaging story to them both would be revealed. Henshall mentioned that he'd heard this from two different sources, that he believed it, also that he wouldn't go into full details about the issue other than to say that it 'confirmed pedophilia'. If Blair even tried to dance a different tune, damaging info would come out. Blackmail must be a useful thing to force foreign politicians into line.

10/24/2006 05:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shrubs mindless dimwitted 1\4 watt spark on 911.....
He is like Butthead when he gets an idea.
hahahahaha

Lets move along folks, nothing here.
I refuse to worry my little old mind with 911.

10/24/2006 05:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You were born into this world naked.

The twisted your mind.

Mutilated your soul.

10/24/2006 05:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oranges or apples?


shub watched sparticus 100000000 times.


He loves the film, but is not gay, no siree.

10/24/2006 06:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A new horrific way to die.

Dense Inert Metal Explosive (DIME)

In mid-October 2006 a team of investigative journalists at RAI Italian television reported that Israel had been using a new weapon in the Gaza Strip, similar to DIME – dense inert metal explosive. The report was produced by the same journalists who claimed without foundation that the US used White Phosphorus (WP) against civilians during attacks on Fallujah. According to the Israeli daily Haaretz, the weapon was launched from drones in the summer of 2006, most of them in July, and led to "abnormally serious" physical injuries. Physicians in the Gaza Strip noted the pattern of wounds they were treating were unusual, with severed legs that showed signs of severe heat at the point of amputation but no metal shrapnel. The American version is still in a testing stage and had not been used on the battlefield at that time. It has not been "declared an illegal weapon", though the weapon was claimed [without described basis] to be "highly carcinogenic and harmful to the environment".


Add it to depleted uranium as a new munition.

10/24/2006 06:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dense Inert Metal Explosive (DIME)

DIME is a new experimental type of explosive that has a very small but effective blast radius. It can be applied in urban areas causing less collateral damage than shrapnel from normal explosive weapons would. The phrase 'inert metal' refers to the metal's non-involvement in the blast (as opposed to e.g. using aluminium powder to increase blast strength), rather than the metal being chemically or biologically inert.

The explosive casing is made of carbon fibre which disintegrates upon detonation (vs. the shrapnel which results from the fragmentation of a metal casing). The explosive fill is mixed with a very dense powder of a heavy metal tungsten alloy (HMTA) such as cobalt and nickel or iron. The HMTA powder forms a micro-shrapnel which is very lethal at close range, but loses inertia very quickly due to air resistance. The downward-facing direction of the blast means that survivors close to the lethal zone may have their legs amputated (slicing through bone and soft tissue) and can subsequently contract cancer (rhabdomyosarcoma) from the HMTA micro-shrapnel embedded in their body tissue.

The carcinogenic effects of heavy metal tungsten alloys (HMTA) have been studied by the U.S. Armed Forces since at least 2000 (along with depleted uranium (DU)). These alloys were found to cause neoplastic transformations of human osteoblast cells:

rWNiCo: tungsten (91-93%), nickel (3-5%) and cobalt (2-4%)
rWNiFe: tungsten (91-93%), nickel (3-5%) and iron (2-4%)
A more recent U.S. Department of Health study in 2005 found that HMTA shrapnel rapidly induces rhabdomyosarcomas in rats.

As reported in French national newspaper Le Monde, according to a team of journalists from the Italian news agency RAI, DIME-type bombs were being used in the Gaza strip by the Israeli army, Tsahal, against Palestinian targets during July/August 2006. The investigation was performed by analysing samples of metals found in the victim's bodies and examining the unusual wounds.Israel denied possessing or using such weapons.

BOOM

10/24/2006 06:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TESLA

Human time reference (timelock)is different for every person.

Due to the fact we are born at different times.

This is why tesla knew people would be a problem with the USS Eldridge.

In 1942 Tesla was given a ship and a crew for a full sized test. Tesla got a battleship. Tesla and Von Neumann didn't agree on some things. Tesla insisted that they were going to have a very severe problem with personnel. Tesla wanted more time but the NAVY wouldn't agree. Tesla made periodic announcements in the late 1930's and early 1940's about his contact with off planet species. He was in contact with the outside, who agreed that there was a problem with the people. He decided to sabotage the 1942 test in an attempt to stop the project. He de-tuned the equipment so nothing would work. The test failed. Tesla then turned the project over to Von Neumann in March 1942 and left the project.

Von Neumann went to the Navy and requested time to study the problem to determine what had gone wrong. Von Neumann decided to make changes in some of the equipment. He decided he would need a special ship that was designed from the ground up. The Eldridge was selected. The equipment was built into the ship. They put all the equipment on the ship. October 1942 arrived. They selected 33 volunteers for the crew, who arrived after graduation in December 1942. We still have a picture of the class.

After the ship was out of drydock work began. In May of 1943 von Neumann installed a third generator. It would never synchronize with the other two. It went out of control one day and zapped one of the men. Von Neumann pulled out the third generator (installed because Tesla had convinced Von Neumann of the potential problem with people) and went back to the original design. In mid June, the ship had sea trials. On July 22, 1943, they had the test. The ship between radar and optically invisible. They discovered people very disoriented. The Navy pulled the crew off and consulted Von Neumann, who requested more time again from the Navy. The Navy, after consultation with higher-ups, announced that the drop dead date was on the 12th of August, 1943. Von Neumann voiced his concern that it wasn't enough time.

The Navy decided that it just wanted radar invisibility and not optical invisibility. The equipment was again modified by Von Neumann. August 12th arrived. We knew things were not right. The test began, and for about a minute everything was all right. The ships outline could be seen in the water. There was suddenly a blue flash and the ship disappeared entirely. No radio communication was possible. It was gone. In about three hours it came back. One of the masts was broken.

Some personnel were partially embedded in the steel deck. Others were fading in and out. Some disappeared entirely. Many were insane. The Navy extracted the crew and proceeded with four days of meetings to decided what to do about the problem. They decided there would be one more test with another dry run without personnel. They conducted the dry run using about 1000 feet of cable attached to another ship. In late October 1943 the test occurred. The ship disappeared for about 20 minutes. When it returned, they found equipment missing. Two transmitter cabinets and one generator was missing. The cabinet with the zero-time reference generator was intact. At that point, the Navy stripped the ship and stopped the project. The Eldridge served in the war and was turned over to Greece at the end of the war.

The important thing is that there were two tests that were exactly 40 years apart to the day. It was a 40 year separation in hyperspace. Now, the Earth itself has a biorhythm that peaks on a 20 year cycle on August 12th. It "just happened" to peak and provided the connecting link through the fields of the Earth for the two experiments to lock up in hyperspace. Walk-in efforts are aided if they occur during this peak.

The ship was pulled into hyperspace. We were inside the ship and knew something was drastically wrong with the test. We tried to shut it off but it wouldn't shut off. We ran out on deck and jumped over the side of the ship. We jumped overboard but ended up in a time tunnel which ended at Montauk, Long Island on August 12th, 1983. At night.

We were found very quickly and taken down stairs, where Von Neumann greeted us. He expected us. It was a bit of a shock. We had just been in 1943 and now we were in 1983 looking at Von Neumann as an old man. He said that there was a hyperspace lockup and that we had to go back and shut off the generators on the ship or the hyperspace rift would keep increasing and possibly engulf the planet. He had been waiting 40 years for us to arrive.

Montauk sent us back and we smashed the equipment with axes. The ship returned to its original point in space and about three hours later in time. From 1943 on, Von Neumann didn't know what happened. He had modified earlier equipment in 1943 to where he had a full blown time machine. The Germans also were working on time travel, and had it working in 1945 just before the end of the war. This is all a matter of record.

After the Navy decided to shut down the project in 1943, Von Neumann was sent to work on the atomic bomb project at Los Alamos until that was over. In 1947 there were major changes in the Department of Defense. Someone in the new structure decided to dig up the Philadelphia project to see if they could find out what went wrong. They asked Von Neumann to "take another look" at the project. He agreed.

There is another matter. Starting about August 6th, 1943, UFOs appeared over the Eldridge for about six days. They were there during the test. One of the UFOs was sucked up into hyperspace with the Eldridge and it ended up in an underground facility in Montauk in 1983. It contained a charging device which some aliens made us go back and get for them, as they didn't want humans to have it. We don't know who they were. Pruett was concerned about an alien invasion.

Also, Von Neumann was called by the government to come and assist in the examination of a crashed UFO in 1947 at Aztec. Another crash occurred at Aztec about a year later. The first crash had greys on it and none survived. At least one occupant survived the second crash. The radar systems unintentionally brought down the craft. Radar was used intentionally after that until the aliens got wise to it.

The occupant of the second crash was not a grey, and Von Neumann got to talk with it. Von Neumann asked it what the answer to the invisibility problems could be. He learned that he had to go back and do his homework in metaphysics. The nature of the problem was that the personnel on the ship were not locked to the zerotime reference of the ship. Humans are normally locked to the point of conception as a time reference, not a zero-time reference. The time stream lock allows the person to flow in synch with the system so interaction is possible.

Time locks are fragile. All the power of the project disrupted the time-locks of the people on the deck on the ship. When the ship came back in time, the people didn't come back to the same reference.

Von Neumann realized that he needed a computer, as well as some knowledge of metaphysics in order to be able to lock the time reference of the people to the time reference of the ship. He built a computer in 1950 for the purpose. It was ready to be installed in 1952 and a test was performed in 1953 that was successful. They didn't go floating off into space when it was over. At this point, the Navy canceled Project Rainbow and changed the name to project Phoenix.

Alot came out of the negative effects of the Rainbow project. Some of it led to mind control research programs in the Phoenix project. The invisibility research produced some Stealth technology as well as other highly classified projects.

In 1983, they decided to apply mind control to all participants in these projects in an effort to cover them up. They had also been working on another project: age regression. Now, Tesla had sought back in the 1940's to develop equipment that could help the members of the crew after they lost time-lock . The government developed it into the age regression program. It was physical age regression. A person retained the memory they had from the older age.

Tesla's theory was that if you took the individual's time-lock and moved it forward in time than you would remove aging. That's what happened. It took between 30 and 60 days for the body to complete the change to the new time reference.

When our astronauts first landed on the moon in 1969 they were greeted by a fleet of disks sitting on the rim of a crater. The astronauts asked their superiors if they knew about these disks. They were told "yes", that they were American disks. The astronauts were angry at being used as public relations men by the government.

Well, the aircraft combines two aspects for invisibility. One of the aspects relates to the construction and coating applied to the surface. The other aspect relates to an electronic type of invisibility package which is a result of work done on the Philadelphia experiment years ago. Also, the stealth has a secondary drive system which is very advanced and allows it to fly in space. The assistant director of NASA admitted that this came straight out of alien technology. He admitted this to the public.

There are breaks in the government secrecy programs that are starting to show up. More and more people are getting totally disgusted with government activities and attitudes and they are beginning to talk.

http://www.crystalinks.com/montauk.html
Montauk Experiment - Interview From "The Metaphysical Experience"

10/24/2006 06:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shub this is for you from the Rolling Stone 911 article.

Here it is ..........


"You're just another MSM-whore left gatekeeper paid off by corporate America," said one writer. "What you do isn't journalism at all, you dick,

No the were not talking about you.

10/24/2006 06:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Esk said...

Anyone read this take by Matt Taibbi in Rolling Stone about 9/11 conspiracies?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11818067/the_low_post_the_hopeless_stupidity_of_911_conspiracies

I think Taibbi is the finest young writer in the American media. If we have an heir to Twain and Mencken, etc., this is the guy.

Personally, I've had a great deal of difficulty staking out a position on the debate. I don't think an explicit Reichstag-style conspiracy is credible -- I always wind up talking about "systems" and so forth. By being a bit to literal-minded Taibbi misses some of the more interesting questions, I think.
1:07 PM
Shrubageddon said...

Thanks for the link, but, I for one, refuse to read anything further concerning 911. Been there...done that....and I'm not quite sure why so many folks keep gravitating back to it.

It's time to move on.....in fact, it's been time for quite some time, now."

Hey yes, lets forget it all.
Lets pretend it never happened.
It's only the seminal event of the century.
It's only the strongest case for impeachment.
But hey, who wants that.
I have been reading thois blog for months & I cannot think of two more idiotic posts.
hey jeff, too many colds man..b17 vitamin, eat 6 apricot kernels evey morning & you'll be right as day ;)

10/24/2006 07:27:00 PM  
Anonymous M.W. said...

All the bullshit and nonsense spam that's gone up since my last post makes me think I must have hit pretty close to home.

10/24/2006 07:52:00 PM  
Blogger jules said...

Mojo, I heard about that bill you refer too.

Its complete and utter bullshit, but there is so much of that today its hard to tell on stinking pile from another.

Dunno if there is any similar drivel on the books here in Australia, but if there I is I will make sure I ignore it and carry on living the way I always have.

On a similar note, perhaps the closest we could get to Ghandi's saltmarch would be to apply the same logic to energy and transport.

My nearest neighbour is 1 km away, and my Joe cell isn't close to working so I dunno if I am for that just yet. But people in towns could remember how to ride pushbikes as a start. In most cities they are faster than the traffic flow anyway...

A consumer boycott...

How do they intend to prove that?

I guess if you have no nestle products in your cupboard you are fair game.

0What got me was they date thing you mentioned.

In Australia last december, our government passed its new Industrial relations Bill, some of which was probably not THAT bad, but others aspects of it lead to some nasty situations. Workers who have held jobs for 10 or 20 years being sacked and then offered casual places doing the same job for significantly less cash, with no benefits and less protection ala OH & S, sick leave etc etc.

The bill was passed in the week leading up to the 151st anniversary of the Eureka Miners uprising in Ballart, Victoria.

The miners uprising lead directly to such things as an 8 hour working day, and universal sufferage, the right to vote whether or not you held land.

(The same week one Govt minister was talking about permanantly removing people's voting rights for various things including an attempt to copy the way american criminals lose their right to voote, which I understand is forever, even after they are released from prison. I have heard no more about that.)

Many ordinary working people see the signing of the IR laws last year as a direct attack on the rights of ordinary working people, and the beginning of a slippery slide down a long ugly slope.

The date was definitely significant, and seemed to be rubbing it in the noses of anyone who had any respect for what Eureka was about.

10/25/2006 12:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"When our astronauts first landed on the moon in 1969 they were greeted by a fleet of disks sitting on the rim of a crater. The astronauts asked their superiors if they knew about these disks. They were told "yes", that they were American disks. The astronauts were angry at being used as public relations men by the government."

They never went at all. They went into orbit, though that's as far as they went. The rest had been filmed long in advance on a soundstage. The half million dollar journalistic exposure in the film Something Funny Happened on the Way to the Moon explains all. They accidentally misfled the top secret "staged moon landing" outtakes, and a journalist got a hold of the copy, and the rest is history.

http://www.moonmovie.com/moonmovie/intro.html

Interviewer: "Hi, I got a classified tape...and the shot was taken twenty times,..."

Astronaut: Hmm.

Interview continues. Astronaut literally runs away! Gotta watch at the link for yourself to belive it. (The "astro-naughts" were all threatened with jail time and complete revocation of their pensions if they ever talked about it.) Several other free films there.


Nixon/Bush cronies staged the whole thing. NASA lied. They already had moon equipment anyway, via electrogravitics.

The whole Cold War was a lie as well --from the point of view of the U.S. and USSR cooperating on consolidating the world. Only the Bush Nazi wing "didn't get that memo" that they were supposed to let the USSR win, so by the 1970s the whole strategy changed toward corporate globalization and neo-fascism as the consolidation agenda.

And there we are...in 2006.

10/25/2006 12:43:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Mojo Workout,
Yes, I've been giving the problem a great deal of thought myself. While it is at least theoretically still possible to change the system from within, the intrepid reformer would very soon find himself transformed into a modern-day Joseph K.; the rules and the language and the faces would begin to morph into something different from what he first saw them as. K's list is clear enough; in order for democracy to take root, here's what he would need to implement:

--legislation that would ban all closed door lobbying

--institute completely publicly funded political campaigns

--revoke the personhood of corporations

--repeal the National Security act of 1947 and all subsequently unconstitutional legislation, including the Uniform Terror Code of the Bush Ages

--make voting mandatory (with special rewards for compliance from all felons and other previously disenfranchised persons)

--require all media outlets to carry an hour of policy discussion everyday (in addition to interactive public-forum video-conferencing between local townhall assemblies and all sessions of both houses of the congress)

These measures would just be the start of a multi-phased effort to spread democracy to America. We all know that the public has no access to the process of government, since that is reserved for members of the anti-democratic military/industrial/surveillance complex, and certainly this many-tentacled entity is very deeply entrenched, but it could be rooted out, dismembered, and replaced by actual citizens. The emancipation of the consumers would not go over well among them either, but they could be forced to comply with the requirements of participatory democracy and would eventually adapt at least as well as they have to their current pointless existence.

Fortunately, we have several pressing crises to provide material for the first civics lessons. The environmental emergency would teach them some basic biology (the concept of natural selection could be gradually introduced into areas of extreme religious bigotry) while giving millions of un- and irrelevantly employed persons gainful employment planting trees and cleaning up the endless toxic waste sites so thoughtfully provided by the outgoing regime.

In the same vein, replacing the stock market, the federal reserve and the entire banking system with the new usury-free life credit system would teach them how to spot racketeering and pyramid schemes while adding real value to the equitable distribution cycle.

The new ten-year civil service requirement could be alternatively served through a combination of college education and/or variable length infrastructure and sustainable housing work contracts, which would teach them some rudimentary engineering and construction while eradicating urban blight, urban sprawl and social dislocation. Many millions more would finally find meaningful employment in this sector.

Finally, dismantling the pharmaceutical, insurance, and defense industries would provide expert training to future medical providers and recipients alike while giving lawyers and doctors their first ethical employment. No matter how much the newly-freed consumers might grumble about the strange new chores of thinking and feeling, actual responsibility would soon become habit forming. Once the planet is fully healed, dramatists could write scary plays about the bad old days so that youth wouldn't be tempted to compromise their integrity the way their ancestors did as a way of life...

10/25/2006 01:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Mojo Workout said...

Geez, 'Fish, while you've got a lot of excellent ideas there, and you've obviously given it a heckuva lot of thought, I'm afraid even the best laid system along the lines you've described is only ever as good as the people who run it and therein lies the problem. Even a good socialist system still tends towards the totalitarian.

I don't think there is such a thing as a "worker's paradise." Besides the oxymoronic nature of the idea, it's all just a little too gray. The human spirit rebels....

Besides, as soon as one person in authority gets corrupted by the relative degree of power over others than the whole bunch of apples begins to go rotten.

It's a worthy try, to be sure. But it's missing something, some je ne sais quoi....

Perhaps it's a some kind of sense of freedom of the spirit, the ability to soar, innocent laughter, and spiritual aspiration.

And those artists putting out scary plays sound like sketchy characters to me. I'd be wary of cults forming around them and their works.

Where does the search for Truth fit in? Love of God? Unbridled altruism....would that be allowed? Overwhelming kindness and sheer joy?

Let's not homogenize those things out of the picture. I guess evil must be part of the whole painting after all. But like someone, Jesus or Muhammad - I forget which, said, "Woe to him through whom it comes."

10/25/2006 04:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, IC thinks that he is in some sort of equal philosopher-king position he is battling against--to orchestrate something--when the first goal is how to organize the grass roots to maintain this policy out of their own local decisions. IC, it's not policy that's going to save anything, it's completely different institutional forms that allow for more grass roots participation systemically.

IC, I would venture (as an empty taunt, no offense) would hate to be in Venezuela--there's no room for people or such top down policy ideas like him, and it WORKS. Watch the Venezuela Bolivariana video. They completely removed a two party system like the U.S.

Venezuela wasn't done from the top down, it started locally and gelled into what Chavez Frias appealed to, instead of visa versa...

Venezuela was the first "shot heard round the world" against the IMF in 1989.

Venezuela Bolivariana: People and the struggle of the 4th world war
... on the impact of financial neo-liberalism on Latin America and other parts of the world and what Hugo Chavez is doing to stop its spread in Venezuela.
http://www.calleymedia.org/
- 1 hr 17 min - Apr 30, 2006
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3117181384995669233&q=venezuela+bolivariana


and then watch this:

very very worth watching. If you are still uninterested after the first 20 minute summary, it's Pokemon for you...

I hate the title, though here it is:

The Brotherhood of Darkness - Stanley Monteith
Granada Forum
1 hr 43 min 11 sec - Oct 22, 2006
profiles.yahoo.com

It's about the Anglo-American secret society movement of Rhodes, 1880s- to the present. Excellent quote by quote review of Caroll Quigley's Tragedy and Hope and the parapolitical Anglo-American internationalists. Additionally an excellent summary of major books published on the topic from the 1960s to the present and how they built on each other or how they were blinkered on something, etc.

And Monteith researched Quigley's life from 20 years, and copied all of Quigley's papers for research.

Monteith tracked down "how Quigley knew" about all this in Tragedy and Hope, and traces it via Quigley's life and papers to three people who informed him mostly:

1. Zimmern part of the secret society, 1910-1922, left in 1922, believed in the First World War as contrived though required (like Crowley), 21 million people dead over the WWI (12.5 million civilians...). 50-60 million wounded. Then when the secret society switched sides, and supported Germany instead from the 1920s through 1930s, he dropped out. Monteith has the papers of their comments back and forth as proof.

2. William Stead, thrown out of the society, disbelieved in the WWI strategy from the start, and wrote about it in his diary. 1891: how they plotted how to create the secret society, has letters from Rhodes to him (Stead) in 1900 talking about the formation of the secret society, published in his book The Last Will and Testament of Cecil John Rhodes.

3. H. G. Wells. Wells attests to being in on the organizational meetings himself--spent huge amont of time with this secret society, mentions it in his Experiment of an Autobiography,; i.e, from 1902-08 a number of men in England/London met at a dinner club, week after week for six years.

(Monteith's mention of Churchill, yes, though he leaves out the 'conformity' that was later required of Churchill to get him back in power; stuff Monteith leaves out was that Churchill was kept at arms length from English state executive positions, until he was pro-Zionist--Churchill was anti-Zionist for a long period. He was was originally talking 'bad' about the Illumiati publicly in the early 1920s as well, which Monteith leaves out).

So who was in on these meetings, 1902-06?

Wells relates they met every week or so, 1902-06 to formulate it. (Intentionally mixed the year here--so you'll watch it to find out.) People Wells mentions, supposedly a complete list of how it started from 1902:

Lord Cecil
Lord Milner
Lord Grey
Lord Grand, CEO of Lazard Brothers bank (controlled by t
Leopold Amery

H.G. Wells
George Bernard Shaw (dated Lady Astor)
Bertrand Russell (Russell bloodline)
Sidney Webb
Beatrice Webb

Arthur Balfour's, Society for Psychical Research were all in the occult, lots came from there, overlapping with Masonry, Lucius Trust, etc.,

"the major thing is occultism working with many different instituions"

"They keep the Jewish names out there so the attention will be diverted from what it's really all about, though the organizations are controlled by people who aren't Jewish at 'tal!"

Wells, coming out of those heady meetings of 1902-08, wrote two books: The Open Conspiracy book ["We're going to be in charge of Moscow long before we're in control of New York."] the other book the New World Order.

These books came out of these 1902-08 meetings he participated with according to Wells own autobiography.

Add in the Americans: Frederick Howe (idealist), The Dulles brothers, Christian Herter. Howe got discouraged when he learned the truth about WWI contexts and secret treaties at Versailles conference by Britain were three different groups Britain "gave Palestine to" during WWI.

Howe told please be quiet about it, we're forming a world government, "we had to destroy the infrastructure and society of Europe to form the New World Order"--all in Howe's Confessions of a Reformer.

etc

etc

Little comments:

- Ignores that Pike was "rewriting" Masonry, assuredly for the Illuminati, via Mazzini 'hiring him' for the job, instead of as a representative of Masonry.

- nice important discussion of how both Rhodes adapted from his Masonic experience the recruitment frameworks for his NWO attempt; (Monteith could have added that Crowley did the same via his Masonic experience inspiring him to adapt it to formulate "an alternative Catholicism", the Gnostic Catholic Church, aka the OTO, aka Ordo Templi Orientis (Order of Eastern Templars).

- I'm impressed he knew that Marx was a "Satanist," and they only enbraced communism to destroy Christian Europe (he could have added that Marx actually was from a Sabbatean line, instead of "Satanist"---Sabbatean which amounts to the same thing). He quotes the book "Marx and Satan" which is a good read, if you know more about Sabbateanism, you'll see how that fits better though its mostly semantic issue.

- could have added on Clinton that he was, as a child, inserted into "youth Masonry", Order of DeMolay--instead of his high level sponsorship only starting from the Bilderbergs, etc.

- good on AIDS genocide and U.S. Census Bureau monitoring of the 'operation' of African depopulation (though it's not AIDS, it's just 'classified as AIDS' though many different diseases--since no one has ever found an "AIDS virus")

- on intentionally dumbing people down

- in the question section, could have made a differentiation between corporate environmentalism (which I would agree with and its populationism blame), and grass roots environmentalism which is entirely different (which they are treating as terrorists)...

- Monteith knows his stuff, even Dodd's quote on the foundations. He's been researching this for 40+ years. He's a medical doctor as well, very warm feeling person.

- talks of Malachi Martin and the Catholic Church "infiltrated, though the Protestant Chruch has been infiltrated too". Malachi martin about the "masonic movment infiltration"..."The ideal that the pope wants to lead us to the world government..." showing he's compromised (talking about John Paul II there, since this video from 1997) etc.

- Talks of Col. Mandell House and his controlling President Wilson, House's diary intentionally suppressed, given to Yale University, supposed to be publised in 50 years and available 1976, though ongoing repressed after bought up and copyrighted--the English buyers sat on it instead. Says Houses's diary/papers, only four copies in the world, "one of the most evil men in the world,....he was an occultist."

- interesting questions about Christians there--talking about despising neocon agendas and disliking being appealed to by these people as if they are friends, etc.

- The only time that there was a bit of voluntary applause: "Christian church been neutralized....I do not believe for one minute that God wants us to be subservient to Luciferian forces in the world today, it doesn't mean we have to take up arms, though it does mean we have to speak out....We're dealing with Luciferian forces at the highest levels of our government...I really think that there are a lot of Christian blinders out there...Our nation is spiritually blinded."

- wierd "no comment" when asked about the Illuminati infiltration. He doesn't want to discuss anything organizationally like that, though he is and he knows it by sort of biting his lip here. Instead, he wants to give a talk about spiritual forces and frame it on the level of motivation (Luciferian). Strange.

- Besides that everything I would say. :-)

- Jewish religion commenter disagreeing with his whole Christian perspective, where he once more attempts to put it into "Lucifer" meme anyway. That's his own fault I think. However for historical information, nothing can quite beat this one hour nine minute talk, with question session afterward.

- in one question--he's wrong on calling Washington "not a regular Masonic attendee", though a minor thing. [see "Founding Fathers, Secret Societies" book]; - Talks of Adams and Jefferson rather well; - Franklin and Thomas Paine and the occult, yes, mentioned. Surprised he knew that Paine involved in both American and French revolutions and could get into that rather quickly.

- I would agree with his American revolution analysis of paraphrains the concept "half real, half Masonic". Though I do think that the primers out of England that forced the issues of incredibly repression were intentionally set up to prime the 'real revolution' in the British North Amreican colonies via Scottish Lord Buce, high Mason, who controlled King George III; Monteigh would additionally have to ignore how the Boston Masonic socicities were actually the ones dumping the tea in the harbor at Boston; and ignores how the "fight against the rebel colonists" was entirely a standdown, where time after time the British military leaders, sympathetic, allow Washington to retreat time and time again and never engage, though allow him to win battles elsewhere [Sora's book is good on this].

- question about James Clark Maxwell interesting, unsure its relevant. The science issues of repression and the intentionally split information of physics came out of suppression of Tesla as well as supression of Maxwell's ether (zero point) based calculations. It was Einstein's relativity that precluded and limited many things, instead of Maxwell--according to Tom Bearden, and separate similar view from author of Occult Ether Physics (can't think of his name right now).

- Teddy Roosevelt, yes, part of this whole movement (could have said that TR basically lived with a representative of the Morgan international bank during his White House tenure, right in the White House; same relationship that Col. House would basically have with Wilson later.

reviewer caveat: I'm not writing from a Christian perspective, though I have nothing against it which is a great difference than most--being a secular ethicist who does see that we are dealing with people who believe in Luciferian frameworks of various stripes animating this NWO in their spiritual framework.

Waking Christians up from their neocon dream world (actually numb nightmare) would be a huge start.

All in all a fascinating video of an audience of mostly Christians who "get it" about the NWO instead of simply being the neocon herded sheep herded over the cliff.

a video well done. Nice to know audiences out there like this.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8631264422391414965

10/25/2006 05:47:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

IC said;

"No matter how much the newly-freed consumers might grumble about the strange new chores of thinking and feeling".

In general, people will think and feel in the way that provides the best perceived payback. If 'being' is defined by some uber-authority, then becoming becomes less important and therefor less developed.

anon 5:47

Thanks for that material and perspective.

"being a secular ethicist who does see that we are dealing with people who believe in Luciferian frameworks of various stripes animating this NWO in their spiritual framework."

They believe in their Luciferian frameworks because they work, at least until they do not work anymore. Leverage is provided to bring the pre-manifest into manifestation in a style of their choosing. Contrived interplay between unbalanced expressions of order and liberty.

The 'devil' is dual.

10/25/2006 06:50:00 AM  
Anonymous postrchild said...

{gloves dropping}

Ok shrubb....you win. You are right and I am wrong. I mean jeez I forgot propper punctuation...how idiotic of me. I mean I only do my job while I am yacking up here...unlike you who ..never seems to work, and types away in his daughters high chair....self admitted of course. If that's the first thing you could see wrong with my comment then you are reaching buddy.

Most of your posts ARE worthless. Just like mine. I only post to make myself part of the group. Otherwise I would be a lurker...kinda like you on the discussion boards....(why ever DID you get banned from them? I can't tell why...(rolls eyes)).
You on the other hand post just to read your own words...it somehow validates your mundane existence here. I agreed with one of your posts and not the others. What is wrong with me expressing my OPINION? Apparently you give it (my opinion) alot more weight than I do.
You so eloquently combine statements from me, twisting meanings by conjoining 2 statements....your like Fox News ya bastard! I never said all your posts were sarcastic or worthless BECAUSE they were or werent sarcastic. YOU ARE USUALLY SARCASTIC. Hence my statement about enjoying your sarcasm. It was a blanket statement. The Ganges comment is supposed to be helpful? Oh thats right its sarcastic and worthless just like the post about hydrogen peroxide. F'ing Nimrod. "Some people" also find bathing in urine pleasurable too. Doesnt mean I will.
I enjoy your sarcasm, yes even pointed at me. I can take it without getting my organic panties in a twist.....unlike you. You have a point when you say we should stop focusing on 911. Some here took it as just give a reprieve to the culprits, but I know we both meant nothing close to that.

To stop focusing so closely on it. Yes if we could prove it was George and Dick, then yes we could impeach.....but the whole thing is convoluted past the point of reconcilliation. Remember but don't (oops almost forgot the appostrophe) hang all your hopes on it. There are other impeachable offenses...I am sure there are at least still a few undisclosed scandals waiting in the wings as well. 911 has become a black hole sucking into oblivion anything that gets too close. Hell I am not as concerned with 911 as I am the Torture Bill. This to me is a death sentence for all true patriotic citizens and the focus of ALL peace loving freedom remembering peoples of the US.

So excuse me for gleaning the one good discussion topic out of your inane rambling and half witted insults. I am sorry I ever gave you that much credit. My apologies. You can go back to being a slug.

I say "few" because I see how many people you offend on a daily basis, and I for one have enjoyed some of your snide, smarmy, attitude. Most people up here hold you at arms length....yes even the ones who you listed by name. The only reason they have a "Get Shrub Off Me" free card is because they have already demonstrated superior intellect over you. In other words just like any bully, you will pick on the samllest weakest perceived voice on the playground, but leave the bigger kids alone cuz, scratch that, (because) they would summarily "WHIP YOUR ASS"....Like I would probably do if I could find you in a dark alley you smug SOB. Peace.

10/25/2006 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Shrubageddon said...

Wow, somebody didn't take their Rozerem last night!!

That was an excellent post, postrchild. It was gutsy and gritty....and well thought out, to boot. A tip of the hat to you, sir.

I'm still concerned about several things, though.

Please address my comments in regards to Iran and The October Surprize. You say they are worthless, and I would like to know on what basis you make that judgement.

Also, I implore you to once again look up the curative effects of Hydrogen Peroxide. It's not an inane idea or concept, as you put it. At least, no more inane than anything else posited here.

It's a shame that you find me and my comments worthless. I don't feel the same about you and your comments....and, I suppose, that's the difference between us. You apparently have a difficult time shifting gears between sarcasm and serious discussion and understanding the relationship between both. You're not the first. Satirists are extremely polarizing figures.

The part where you threatened me, though, really says something about your character. So now, you want to beat me up, or worse? That's inexcusable....but very predictable and stereotypical. I urge you to reflect on that.

Finally, the "peace" thing after all that is beyond bizarre.

I have never wished anyone here any ill-will, nor have I called any of the individuals I listed anything worse than Optimists....and yet you say I insulted them. That's a mischaracterization.

Also, what's up with the bully thing? How can I, or anyone, be a bully in a venue such as this. Sure, I'm blunt, bold, sarastically satirical and obtuse....but I'm also loving, caring, appreciative, complimentary and genuine. I'm not a bully, unless a bully is someone who states their piece with fashion. I'm not forcing you, or coercing you to adopt my views, but I will certainly challenge you on your's if I see contradictions.

Remember, you started this by insulting me. You called my posts "worthless." I don't believe I ever said any such thing to you prior to that to warrant such an insult. So, in my response to you, I addressed why I thought you may have insulted me....and my working hypothesis is that you are mistaking Anony's insults for the majority, and hence my alluding to you being persuaded by Anony.

I will not let you drive a wedge between myself and the decent folks here that I have mentioned. I repsect them and their opinions, and I love them for it, for Christ's Sake, and I refuse to accept that you somehow speak for them. They are fiercely individual...which is in large part why I love them so much....so, no, you will not drive that wedge....I won't let it happen.

10/25/2006 12:49:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Ah, but the problem with philosopher-kings is that they're kings, isn't it? The trick with restructuring this rotten world is to make Anonymous's correct insistence on grassroots involvement the keystone of the political structure, not the intermittant banging on the doors of the mighty by the dispossessed. What we're describing here is an institutionalized anarchy; however oxymoronic it may sound, it's the thing that Mojo Workout so eloquently describes:

But it's missing something, some je ne sais quoi...it's a some kind of sense of freedom of the spirit, the ability to soar, innocent laughter, and spiritual aspiration."

It's the extent of the possibilities that any system provides that allows for this essential freedom, the very same thing that keeps any "one person in authority" from getting "corrupted by the relative degree of power over others" that his position might permit. This is where Anonymous again points to the solution:

...it's not policy that's going to save anything, it's completely different institutional forms that allow for more grass roots participation systemically."

The whole idea is to do away with "top-down" systems, so that no bureaucratic hierarchy could take hold. This is why I suggested finally using the technology of the digital age for democracy instead of surveillance. We do have the capacity to bring the masses into the chambers of government via interactive video-conferencing, or at least we will once the phone companies are forced to build the fibre optic system they took the money for and never quite got around to installing. Whenever some power hungry Ted Stevens wannabe started to lord it over the others on the floor, you could interrupt him with a nice, "Hey, jackass, what do you think you're doing?"

MW's caution about the grayness of the system is well-taken but based on the monotone of postwar Eastern Europe, I think. My wife grew up in that system and I've lived there myself--yes, it was very gray, but it was also completely top-down. Grown from the roots upward, we could make it as day-glo as we wanted by providing for creative change and personal volition. I suggested making the civil service requirement a ten year period, which might sound oppressive, but if the options for that service were expansive enough, a person could carve out a niche that was personally and socially meaningful. My (West) German friends, for example, have widely varying degrees of appreciation for their Zivildienst--some of them found positions which were deeply rewarding, while others chafed under the tedium of the requirement because the options were rather limited. Having broken the back of the banking/scarcity racket, sustenance wouldn't be an issue--why then would a person's field of choice be limited to mundane, spirit-killing occupations?

On another level, even seemingly mundane tasks can have that magic ripple effect. Consider this statement from Wangari Maathai, 2004 nobel Peace Prize Laureate:

The planting of trees is the planting of ideas. By starting with the simple act of planting a tree, we give hope to ourselves and to future generations.

For those not familiar, Wangari Maathai is the best-known face of the Green Belt Movement , a "non-profit grassroots non-governmental organization based in Kenya" which has had an amazing impact on the lives of the most disenfranchised elements of Kenyan society. Sure, they were just planting trees (40 million so far), but in so doing, they challenged the authoritarian power structure, changed public policy, empowered women, and stopped a wave of violence and retribution unleashed by the old boy network dead in its tracks. This story is one of my favorites about Maathai and the GBM.

The powerful folks were planning on building a skyscraper to house themselves in regal splendor and borrowing foreign money to do it, which would only have worsened the plight of the already debt-ridden victims of colonialism. Maathai declared that the people didn't need a skyscraper to glorify their "leaders" but an environment which could support them and political power with which to chart their future. The project was stopped and the old boys were pissed. An army was dispatched to stop the tree planters, but a funny thing happened when the soldiers attempted to beat the women. Led by Maathai, they bared their breasts, en masse, which reminded the young soldiers that they were "beating their mothers" (apparently, the gesture is traditional in some parts of Africa), and they were shamed into desisting, even releasing political prisoners and actually helping to plant the trees.

The only breast-baring gesture Americans know is the classic "show us your tits" spectacle, and while this epitomizes the difference in cultures and tradition, Maathai and the GreenBelters provide an excellent model of how a simple service can be the most liberating thing a person can do...

10/25/2006 02:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Mojo Workout said...

'Fish: Nice riposte to my post. A lot of good points there.

I especially like the story about Wangari Mathaai. It does show something I learned from my "tripping" days: that human to human contact is the key to our salvation (when there still is, as is ALMOST always the case, a living breathing human behind the confrontational eyes being stared into).

That's not George W. looking into Putin's eyes (shudder). Whatever he saw there I doubt I would want to experience it first hand.

But these skinwalkers are still, ensconsed in power though they may be, the overwhelming MINORITY of people. We constitute the majority. The vast majority.

Something we must always remember, especially when and if the really nasty shit comes down.

Thanks for reminding us all of how POWERFUL that shared humanity really is, and must remain.

10/25/2006 03:23:00 PM  
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