Saturday, August 05, 2006

Area 9/11

"I think that you'll find a little S&M will be necessary to trigger off a good healthy dose of hallucinations." -

9/11 changed everything. Dissenters are uncommonly quick to call bullshit on that talking point. And maybe it didn't. But it changed me.

"The battle for the mind of North America will be fought in the video arena: the Videodrome," says the McLuhanesque Brian O'Blivion, referring to the pirate broadcast of a torture and murder circus that contains in its transmission a frequency that triggers the tumorous growth of new organs of perception in the brains of its viewers. "The television screen is the retina of the mind's eye. Therefore, the television screen is part of the physical structure of the brain. Therefore, whatever appears on the television screen emerges as raw experience for those who watch it. Therefore, television is reality, and reality is less than television."

For almost all of us, 9/11 was only a televised event. Yet, like Ruby shooting Oswald live in America's livingroom, and like Videodrome, it was also a spectacular trauma; the unscheduled program was also programming, inducing a national trance to initiate the stage-managed winding down of our familiar world. But it also created within us fresh capacities of insight, and that too may have been the intent.

Apart from the chain-smoking, and though there's not much to laugh about, the opening sequence of Who Killed John O'Neill? is comically familiar. I don't sleep, I don't eat, I don't shower, I don't shave.... I don't do anything but think. I filled eight binders with tabs like "Osama," "Foreknowledge" and "Anthrax" with articles like the Guardian's "CIA Agent Alleged to Have Met Bin Laden in July," Newsweek's "Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained at U.S. Bases" and the Baltimore Sun's "Anthrax Matches Army Spores." I started reading again the samizdat history of the National Security State, though now with greater urgency and comprehension, because the existential stakes had been raised, and having seen the towers fall I felt as though I knew already how the story ended.

We were getting rewired: the new eyes that 9/11 gave us were entraining our brains to penetrate our flat screens to the real-world paramechanics of power, money and appetite. (Remaining on the surface analyzing pixels, with 9/11 as nothing but a special event broadcast while forgetting that it was filmed before a live audience, is how the more absurd hypotheses of holographic airplanes and pods arise.)

And there are a lot of us putting on this new flesh: a full third of Americans now, according to a poll this past week, suspect federal officials either "assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East." Lee Hamilton, the former vice chairman of the Kean Commission and trusted Bush family fixer stretching all the way back to the October Surprise and Iran/Contra acknowledges "One out of three sounds high, but that may very well be right." (Hamilton is a Democrat, it should be noted, because if your wiring isn't up to code for these days that still matters.)

The same week we saw the limited hangout's most risque striptease yet with the release of Vanity Fair's "NORAD tapes", bringing at last into mainstream discourse NORAD's coincident gaming of hijacked aircraft the morning of September 11:

"When they told me there was a hijack, my first reaction was 'Somebody started the exercise early,'" [Lieutenant Colonel] Nasypany later told me. The day's exercise was designed to run a range of scenarios, including a "traditional" simulated hijack in which politically motivated perpetrators commandeer an aircraft, land on a Cuba-like island, and seek asylum. "I actually said out loud, 'The hijack's not supposed to be for another hour.'"

The author, associate producer of United 93, Michael Bronner, promptly adds: "The fact that there was an exercise planned for the same day as the attack factors into several conspiracy theories, though the 9/11 commission dismisses this as coincidence. After plodding through dozens of hours of recordings, so do I." And so we can suspect why NORAD entrusted to Bronner's care the glossy unveiling of just one of 9/11's wargames. (Kyle Hence's 11 Questions Avoided by the Media On NORAD Tapes makes a nice, concise refutation of Bronner's plodding.)

Then there was the story in the Washington Post that "some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission." Naturally, the assumed intent of the Pentagon's criminal fraud goes no deeper than the hiding of "the bungled response to the hijackings." Commission members dare go no further, because their deliberately misleading report places them on the Pentagon's own side of manufactured history.

Has the Bush administration been "rocked" by these cautious disclosures? Only in the fantasy life of Democrats still awaiting their Fitzmas. Rather, it presses ahead with the next war, expands Guantanamo Bay, and intends to "allow the secretary of defense to add crimes at will to those under the military court's jurisdiction," meaning that dissidents "not directly involved in acts of international terrorism" may be subject to the Pentagon's discretionary justice.

I occasionally receive the comment that it's a waste of our energies to give any regard at all to strange things in the sky and weird visitations, because even if they exist, there's nothing we can do about them. If so, then for all our energies, what have we been able to do about this White House?

If there's a touch, and perhaps more, of the demonic about both, there's also a phantasmic daimonism. Their methods are to display, as well as evade. Discs and giant triangles have lit up American skies with performances of flashing coloured lights, demanding attention while denying comprehension. In the mid-80s, New York's Hudson Valley became a venue for a public exhibition of silent running isosceles triangles 400 feet or more from tip to tip, blinking garishly to the towns below, and were reported by seven thousand eyewitnesses. Perhaps even more disturbing than the prospect of them being of otherworldly origin, is the prospect that they are not.

The new flesh of 9/11 enhances our perception, but not our reach. We can look up and see - we're invited to - but the invitation is one to reinforce a sense of helplessness. The great public spectacles written in the sky - the gaudy lights and the falling towers - are meant to debilitate us, and pin our hopes passively upon a "disclosure" by the intelligence community's own information warriors. Nothing good, and nothing true, can come of that.

In a Rumsfeldian sense, we should know enough now to know that we know enough. But the insight 9/11's new flesh gives us into America's unnatural state of affairs becomes debilitation, if nothing changes by it. How to be the change is our challenge. Perhaps our last challenge.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One, Warning! Objects may be closer than they appear.About the time people pull their heads out of their collective asses,it will be past the point of no return.The only way to stop this thing is to reboot the whole orb that we are stuck on, and I don't think the PTB will let that happen.The mindstream is set,we are all along for the ride,hold on tight,fiction is now reality.Soon you will not be able to tell the real from the vividly imagined,some will not know if they are having a lucid dream or a day dream,that is the point where you detach from the now,later.

8/05/2006 10:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The events of 911 changed me, too, and not just because I lost a relative who worked on the 96th floor of the North Tower.

I watched it unfold with personal horror and pored over every piece of information I could in the ensuing weeks about the attacks. Within a few days things just didn't add up. No one around me was questioning things. I flew back to New York to be with family and even in the dusty cloud of grief my mind couldn't stop with the questions. My biggest one of all had to do with why no one else was asking these questions.

That question led me to the Internet, where my mind wandered like a free-range chicken over topics from social programming, to deep politics, to the occult, hidden history, etc.

You are right, Jeff, we are being made to feel helpless. Our feelings of helplessness will make us more maleable and easier to control. This is obvious and nothing new.

I can't believe that some members of my family still believe in the whole Osama bin Laden conspiracy theory and that the whole tragic killing of one of our own justifies the murderous rampage of the Bush crime syndicate. Many, though, say "Suzie's gone and we can't bring her back, so what else matters?" There's a sense of "putting everything behind us" that might be extended to the general population.

If there is no hope for changing the minds of those who were so directly impacted by the events of that day (my family), what hope is there in changing the mindset of others who were not so directly impacted?

8/05/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

But the insight 9/11's new flesh gives us into America's unnatural state of affairs becomes debilitation, if nothing changes by it. How to be the change is our challenge.

Maybe. If the televsion set really is part of the architecture of the mind, then maybe we can become the receptors of change—walking synapse bridges. Maybe Shakespeare can learn a new trick, if the knowledge (which is irrepressibly, if not exactly quickly spreading) that the more that things remain the same, the more they really do change, just as soon as the marks notice that that nothing seems to change.

1/3rd of the population is a goodly number, but we still need that other, permanently neutral third, the third that can be swayed between Republicans and Democrats, the third that always answers, “Not sure,” not out of any epistemological or existential dilemma, but because they haven’t managed to follow the butterfly of their thoughts through the cavern of their minds.

Of course, “needing” the uncertain third to “effect” some kind of “change” might be as “quaint” and “old-fashioned” as due process is to Lord Rumsfeld, since the kind of change we need goes far, far beyond which lying sack of shit is going to get his pre-compromised ass elected this or any other November—the only medicine for the body politic is some anologue of Dr. Hoffman’s problem child: political LSD-25, or one of its natural cousins. Reform can’t cut it when a there’s a shadow, secret state pacing the reformers behind the curtain; the curtain itself needs to be torn away, all in one go, in order for the marks to see what a sham the whole thing is.

This process has already started, oddly enough by the secretive ones themselves. So enamoured of disinformation theory are they, so in love with the limited hang, that they now think it’s the wonder fix for all that fails them. The same sharply rectalinear, ultra Coulter America First crowd that is currently getting their collective peckerwood up for the lynching of UW Madison’s Kevin Barrett has begun to fall back on their oldest hand, the very first cherry wood from the tree that young George Washington chopped: they’re labeling all who question the narrative of American History “dangerous, extremist anti-Americanists.” Chimp-brother Jebba recently had his little ol’ statehouse outlaw teaching history as nrrative at all; now it’s dogma. God gave us America to civilize as we see/saw fit, and our manifest destiny will now/still kill your ass if you dare to peek behind the screen. And this is where they’re wrong.

The cracks in the façade are growing, not shrinking. Wilson says this is the last gasp of the dying dinosaurs. Sheldrake says that teleology is the underlying force that the lizard kings can’t see. All the hopeful, gotta-wear-shades futurists say that information cannot be dammed, bottled, or pasteurized. More and more of the unawakened are, however reluctantly, waking up. I have personally turned hundreds of people onto Jeff’s "The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11," as well as the mind-opening work of William Blum and Wade Frazier, and I hear back from these people that the word spreads further still. The dam-builders did get one of their theories right: the one with the dominoes they were trying to scare us with in Asia and Latin America. Only, it doesn’t work unless there’s an awakening involved, an unpleasant surprise. Those victims of colonialism weren’t surprised. They knew they were being taken, against their will, whenever the white devils sold them something. Soon we all will.

8/05/2006 11:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Members of racial and ethnic minorities, people with only a high school education and Democrats were especially likely to suspect federal involvement in 9/11."

More evidence that U.S. colleges produce overseers and "house Negroes" devoted to Master/System.

GREAT post Jeff.

8/05/2006 12:07:00 PM  
Blogger Real History Lisa said...

Great post, as always, Jeff. You have such a way with imagery, and juxtaposition, that truly inspires, even when talking about things that rightfully should debilitate. Thank you. Bless you.

I wonder if you've read the statement from the Jersey Girls re the recent revelations, and lack thereof? I so admire that they will not let their husbands dead bodies be covered in lies, and continue to rip the false flags off their coffins to call out for a revelation of truth. Bless them too.

8/05/2006 12:14:00 PM  
Blogger Ouish said...

Unintended consequences. They happened on 9/11. They even happened in Videodrome. The victims of the Videodrome signal --the decadent urban enclaves, Andrew Sullivan's "fifth column" -- were only supposed to die. That the brain tumors were new organs that could act on reality, allowing their possessors to fight back, was unanticipated by anyone except Father O'Blivion, if indeed his videotaped message to Max Renn was authentic and not a hallucination, the new flesh speaking on its own behalf.

Unintended consequences. They redound all the time from the public acts of the power structure. Why not from its clandestine acts? I remember what a struggle the new skepticism was at first. My mind went back and forth between the official reality, bleak enough in itself, and the nightmarish alternatives, drawn in by a kind of fascination only to recoil in disbelief. I learned for the first time what the "big lie technique" really meant, even if I was imagining the lie (and it mostly seemed that I was, in those days before the power-structural response arrived in all its opportunism and dishonesty. Now it mostly doesn't.)

Is this a programmed state of mind? I don't think so. Do I see a way to win "the battle for the mind of North America"? Not yet, though there are many intriguing cracks of light in the video arena, from the revolt of the narco-colonies in South America to the internet itself. But I know they haven't thought of everything. Because they never do.

8/05/2006 12:52:00 PM  
Blogger Jonny said...

Wonderful post, Jeff. As ever, thank you.

The Vanity Fair piece does little for me. It's such a limited hang out that the important stuff is barely visible. Even now, I would bet that 90% of Americans have no idea about the military exercises on 9/11. They're skilfully disclosed in passing and without attention being drawn to them. And, let's face it, they have to be. I still think they're the issue that could blow this thing up. I'd like to see Rummy explain that little coincidence away to the senate. What was it? A billion to one shot or did they have a mole? And if so, what has he done about the mole? Please show us.

For all my occasional impatience and cycnicism on the board, at root, at a cellular level, I still believe in the goodness of our species and that the universe has to be, even if only slightly, weighted towards the good guys.

These bastards will get theirs.

8/05/2006 01:28:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Excellent p-tar

On a bright sunny day, while in second grade I found myself looking down at one of the three pennies that was my milk money for that day. One of those pennies carried the date 1917. My feeling of significance was validated as shortly thereafter we learned that our President had been murdered. I knew immediately that JFK was born in 1917, and that the world was much more strange than I could at that time conceive. My obsession then became to bring understanding to those things that cannot make sense within our current conceptual structures.

Oh the strange things that I would like to tell yet do not for fear of being ridiculed or even institutionalized. Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Does the trance state need to break, or do I need to work harder to help in breaking that trance state?

The incredible human potential for creativity remains largely untapped, and the monopoly capitalists maintain their position as a result. We have an obligation to show these folk that they are more controlled by than controlling of this world.

They are pismire (ants) soon to be stomped on by a metaphysical elephant, rather than the lions or kings of the jungle that they may think of themselves as being.

8/05/2006 01:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon. one wrote: "that is the point where you detach from the now"

Eckhart Tolle wrote The Power of Now. He says that Now is all we have. Past/Future do not exist. To live fully in the Now he suggests 3 modalities:

1) Acceptance - I accept what is happening and stop resisting or denying. I can be non-compliant and non-cooperative and help others wake up.

2) Enjoyment - I enjoy finally understanding what is going on. I enjoy knowing that all of you exist and we can share our musings and support one another.

3) Enthusiasm - I am taking time in my life now to enjoy live music and other such spontaneous and creative activities. I write poems and read them aloud to groups of people.

To Mourning in America: Here's part of a poem I wrote recently;

I recall in my studies of western civilization
That Socrates asked questions
He opened up dialogue
And sought truth through discourse

We don't ask questions anymore
We accept as fact all the stories presented
By those beautiful personalities
The blue-eyed blonds and debonair characters

Oh, those cheerful personalities
The Katie Courics of this media world
Meant to synchronize our thinking
So we have no need to ask our questions

Socrates swallowed the hemlock; they thought he was infecting the youth
Infecting them with the ability to think for themselves
A resource we don't need anymore because
We have all of those beautiful personalities

and to cuttlefish: thanks for the beautiful imagery regarding the 1/3 of the population who need to
"follow the butterfly of their thoughts through the cavern of their minds".

It reminds me of William Blake, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell, written in 1793:

If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, infinite.

For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks in his cavern.

8/05/2006 01:32:00 PM  
Blogger sunny said...

we should know enough now to know that we know enough.

True, true, true! How much more information do we need to solidify the truth of the horrors in our minds? None- it is all there, to be picked up like sea shell's on a beach for those who are willing to look, bend over, and pick them up. For those of us who have done the picking, further shells for the collection amount to redundancy, an overflowing of the jug. No big revelation, no one big perfect shell, is on the horizon to finally wake up the masses, to shock them into knowledge. They don't know because they do not want to know. They refuse to see because seeing means doing putting themselves in opposition to sinister forces, and they are afraid, terrified of having cushy lives upturned, of having to look in the mirror and see "Complicit!" etched across furrowed foreheads.

We are awake, and therefore prepared for the coming maelstrom, albeit if only psychologically. We can try with all our might to awaken others, and I surely have, but sadly, for those who could have had the knowledge and chose to ignore it, Judgement Day and whatever that may mean to individuals, will be harsh indeed.

8/05/2006 01:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff said -

We can look up and see - we're invited to - but the invitation is one to reinforce a sense of helplessness.

That may be the nature of "looking up" in general. Back when I kept a dream diary for a while, I noted one category of what I called "looming dreams," in which weird stuff was going on above me. Earthquakes toppling skyscrapers, planes swooping loudly overhead, planets appearing in the sky impossibly swollen, as if seen through a telescope.

And all it was ever possible to do was stand and watch -- or, at worst, hold on for dear life as the world shook itself to pieces.

The psalm says, "I shall lift up mine eyes unto the hills whence cometh my help." And traditional religion has certainly done a lot to encourage eye-lifting in place of any more substantial action. Pyramids, ziggurats, victory arches, cathedrals. It's always look-but-don't-touch. It's always war in heaven, with the poor mortals left in wonderment on the ground below.

Skyscrapers, too. Skyscrapers can be very pretty if arranged along a moderately distant skyline, where you can, as it were, engage them eye to eye. But to walk among them, especially among an extended series of them, is demoralizing and dehumanizing.

9/11 drew upon and reinforced that sense of helplessness. It was all about being on the ground and looking up to where the real action was -- the crashes and the fires and the falling bodies -- and watching the cosmic drama play out with no ability to affect it.

No, I take that back -- not *all* about. There were at least three acts to that drama. The trade towers themselves, in all their thirty years of arrogant, blocky, thumb-in-your-eye, phallic, corporate dominance. The celestial drama played out far above the gaping crowd. And then finally the thunder-from-heaven crashes, sending the poor ants below scampering for their lives. Three different modes of cosmic indifference, connected in one grand symphony of mind-numbing destruction.

I'm starting to think we should do away with all the skyscrapers. (Well, maybe keep the Chrysler Building around just for the goshwow of it.) They drain us of our humanity, usurp our place as upright beings upon the earth, and reinforce the pretensions of our would-be masters. Why should we set up false gods to loom over us? And why even consider talking with someone who lacks the guts to meet you eye-to-eye?

8/05/2006 01:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its so weird to be distracted by comment blogs like the Guardian's "Comment is Free" and then return to RigInt. The contrast is astonishing. Does everyone realise how unusual it is to have a place to go where A) comments address the post in question, and not what the commenter would most like/hate to have been said, and B) where people actually READ each others' posts and add, comment and critique each other in a polite and constructive manner?

Maybe I've been swayed by the ubiquitous Israel-Lebanon flame wars going on all over the net, but it seems like there is a real lack of people attempting to develop genuine dialogue, and too many just wanting to 'have their say', whatever that means. Sometimes it feels like Rigorous Intuition is one of the last enclaves of sanity in the encroaching darkness, with Jeff as the Grand-daddy moderator of open-minded scepticism.

The later it gets, the more I feel that the only safe place to invest my time and energy is in human relations, and in increasing the general level of happiness, integrity and cognitive harmony.

8/05/2006 01:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a bit surprised you didn't mention the NSA intercepts.

Remember when they leaked, Cheney went crazy? Sent in the FBI with lie detectors?

One was "The match is tomorrow".

What was being "matched"?

Why the War Games, of course.

8/05/2006 02:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff said:

"But the insight 9/11's new flesh gives us into America's unnatural state of affairs becomes debilitation, if nothing changes by it. How to be the change is our challenge. Perhaps our last challenge."

Well, one thing would be to tie in in the public mind how important it is to remove the Bush family in all capacities, root and branch down the generations of it.

They were involved in the JFK assassination, in 9-11 perpetration, and most certainly the 1999 Bobby Kennedy assassination--that was going to crush Baby Bush at the 2000 election beyond which even Republican Party linked Diebold vote frauding could ever salvage a synthetic "consensus realtity" for everyone by rigging the votes.

Watch this video and you'll see what I mean:

VIDEO: Bush Link to Kennedy Assassination Alex Jones 911 Conspiracy

Bush Senior kills JFK. Bush Junior kills JFK, Jr.; more

All in all a through film of the evidence at hand: a small network of CIA assassins, all interlinked in Skull and Bones, created a criminal shadow government that became a major force in U.S. history. The people involved in the Kennedy assassination still run the United states in 2005. These groups took control of the Presidency in November 1963, keeping it ever since.

comments or direct film (about 90 minutes)

8/05/2006 04:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another great one. Thanks.

8/05/2006 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

V for Vendetta ... wasn't able to catch it in a theater as it
(V)anished after two weeks here.
Now, it is for sale at my grocery store and rentable also at the usual venues. My family watched it twice and found it most entertaining and also inspiring ...
We were cheering at the end.
Then, on the Future Hi site, read Saviors of God - Spiritual Exercises, by Nikos Kazantzakis.The combination of these two teachings has changed my entire outlook on human existence.
There is no such thing as coincidence.

8/05/2006 04:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not a 911 dissenter, meaning I don't believe it was the Official Story, however, I don't think 911 changed anything. I think it was just another milestone (albeit, a significant one) in a strategic agenda that has been unfolding since at least WW2, if not earlier.

The milestone does mark a "throttling up" stage, as we have witnessed, and are witnessing, and one can only imagine how the next phase will look, and smell.

I do agree that our challenge is to halt this strategic agenda, once and for all, but we need to also eradicate the current paradigm that has allowed such evil and corruption to firmly take root and flourish.

It is a daunting challenge, and success is highly improbable, but do we have any other choice, considering?

The Democrats are not the answer......that is plainly obvious.

8/05/2006 06:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 9/11 truth movement is in danger of getting 'recognition'. That is being recognised by all the right (sic) channels for all the wrong reasons.
It is'nt about 'truth to power' through the mediation of 'our' arguments against the official fairy tale. The powers already know the truth & so they're having a little fun with lending their airtime & magazine columns while Israel is busy failing to break Irans first line of defence.
This is the 'silly season' after all.

8/05/2006 07:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do people on this forum know that when the London tube bombs went off there was a simulation exercise going on at the same time?


8/05/2006 08:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes of course we know, and so much more.

8/05/2006 08:44:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Anon 7:34 said

…”The powers already know the truth & so they're having a little fun with lending their airtime & magazine columns while Israel is busy failing to break Iran’s first line of defense.
This is the 'silly season' after all.

Well said, a lot of substance for a short piece of prose.

More than this truth that they know, they know how this game is structured. Their advantage disappears when the common man comes to understand the game also.

Tying Ahraman and Lucifer to unbalanced expressions of order and liberty serves to remove the glamour from reactive mind thinking. Evil is banal, it is the removal of substance from the form.

Nothin going on here folk; keep walking…. keep walking, nothing happening here.

8/05/2006 09:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Administration officials have said that the exceptional trial procedures are warranted because the fight against terrorism requires heavy reliance on classified information or on evidence obtained from a defendant's collaborators, which cannot be shared with the accused."

At what point did it become acceptable to right off fundamental legal concepts like the right to confront your accuser?

Thats from the link you gave regarding the sec of defence's expanded power to try people in military courts.

This is blatent totalitarianism and its stemmed directly from 911.

So it has actually changed things.

Pre 911, the war on drugs and an excessive propaganda campaign was needed to allow the subversion of due process, it had to be in the context of creating an other and expoiting the fear of it.

But 911 was a massive televised trauma. people are probably still suffering from PTSD from simply watching people jump out 100 story windows cos an extra 2 seconds of life is better than frying.

Then the towers collapsed, and everyone was kind of expecting them to.

I remember the casualty predictions on the telly 123 hours later. between 50 and 100 thousand people. Not 3400, or whatever the final tally was.

The potential scale of the catastrophe was mindboggling. The fact that only 3400 died is a bit of a miracle in itself I reckon.

Here are some other thoughts tho.

As bad as fundie Islam and terrorism is, its easier to deal with IMO than the military industrial prison/security occult complex.

In that context, 19 people with stanley knives took down the biggest symbol of global capital and the power of the mip/so complex in the world. On the day that for the previous 2 years was a day of worldwide protest against the move to the globalisation of capital and the dismantling of national sovreignty.

Yet people are not liberated by that idea, instead they are scared by it. I am not justifying the murder of thousands that this event caused. Especially given so many were emergency workers. Any firey anywhere that dies makes me sad.

But it is interesting that (although the evidence suggests otherwise,) these enemies we claim are so vulnerable.

Hows this for a bent thought.

There was no conspiracy on 911.

The US and its psycho money grabbing power brokers had no clue.

They are absolutely crapping themselves at the thought that the majority of the worlds population could actually concieve of itself in terms of having the power to attack the thing that steals so many of their resources. (NY finance)

So they have been working flat out since that fateful day to convince us they WERE in on it.

Cos the last thing they need is the rest of the world thinking:

"Bloody hell if 19 of those fundy nut jobs can do it what about the rest of us."

8/05/2006 10:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

should be 12 hours not 123.

"But it is interesting that (although the evidence suggests otherwise,) these enemies we claim are so vulnerable."

That should be something else too.

I dunno what tho, something along the lines of (forgetting the money trail):

that the MIP/SO complex is nowhere near as powerful as it seems if it can't stop the 911 attacks.

Sorry for the incoherence.

8/05/2006 11:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

rage against the machine .....true pioneers...these guys were ahead of thier time

8/05/2006 11:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 4:27 said:

"Well, one thing would be to tie in in the public mind how important it is to remove the Bush family in all capacities, root and branch down the generations of it."

and jules reminded us about following the money trail.

The combination of the two concepts represents the most satisfactory and least harmful solution. Oh, and the same for the Cheney Klan as the Bush. Take ALL of the money back from Haliburton et al. Reverse all of bush's agendas, appointees, and everything else- in effect, nullify the entire occupation of the office by this reptilian monstrosity and friends. Then go after them all with the knowledge that we have aquired about them during this VichyAmerikkka. Try them for their crimes against humanity and their treason.

Banish poverty and pestilence, hunger and hopelessness. Sigh There's a whole lot of work to be done...

8/06/2006 02:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"How to be a change."
"we should know enough now to know that we know enough."

It is not enough to know, and it never will be.
Do you really understand the nature of this beast taking hold of your souls?
How can there be a counter revolution to a world revolution hundreds of years in the making?
Start at the grass roots level you say, ha, you cant even convince your close friends and families if in fact you truly understand this monstrosity yourself. Form a militia, if you can have any success before your are infiltrated and waco 2 hits the airwaves, it would be minimal. Oh i got it, the 911 truth movement is gaining momentum and congressional hearings are bound to happen. The world revolution is going to use the exposure of this event on thier terms when it benifits them most, like exposing complicity of the chritian right in swaying the foreign policy of one deranged evangellical president.(Christianity and Nationalism are the targets of the World Revolution) Or maybe if their was a genuine congressional hearing by all the bought men in office, it would get the Joeseph McCarthy treatment, Who wants that on their record. (By the way Communists run this country, the last truly independent representation was back when the anti-masonic party was a political threat)One last suggestion, exposure via publications into the hands of as many people as possible, identifying the World revolution and the crime syndacates behind it. Oh crap that doesnt work either, Henry Ford gave a blueprint for the World Revolution away with every new ford he sold in the 30's.

The kingpin of this world revolution is Satan, and he will not be overthrown by human hands.

1 John 5:19
Revelation 12:7-9&12

There is no humanity in humanism, and no you can not make yourself into a god. Why is everyone waiting for someone to lead them? It is almost like we are designed to trust a Higher authority. This does not fit Darwins model very well does it.

8/06/2006 03:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The time for talking is coming to an end.

We know enough to see what the future holds for us.

But we are many they are few.

We all know what we have to do.

So let's do it...

8/06/2006 04:21:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Zepher, religious folk do the same blasphemy as the humanists when they present man made dictates as being G-ds dictates. Different style is all. One playied against the other, and that is how Satan rules the World.

Communal representations (OwenBarfield) form the relative truth structures at any given time within society. While Truth may be Absolute, our understanding of Truth is never absolute. Any claim to understanding is mediated by words that form the interpretation of intimations of the comprehensive, (Karl Jaspers) or the ineffable (Abraham Heschel). Communication is also limited by the mutual understanding of the language used. As such, expressions of the Absolute will always maintain some distance from us.

Experience shows that when relative truth is promoted as being Absolute Truth, pathological response patterns are often the result. It is a false security thereby derived, as working with rigid or frozen categories surely inhibits a person’s connection to the ineffable or the comprehensive.

For more see;

8/06/2006 07:11:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Zepher, and yes I trust an higher authority, yet the work is done through what has been created. Thats us.

8/06/2006 07:18:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Harry, as long as we are driven by the same psychical conditioning system that has shaped us for centuries, we do not know what to do. Our deferral to authority that places itself in the position of G-d continues to screw up our relations to the ineffable.

8/06/2006 07:39:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

But zephyr, ain't it always been so? Hasn't the little guy always been getting reamed? Is capitalism really all that different from feudalism? (I'm going to ignore that Rensian "communism" spiel you inserted, only because it's so laughable.) Master, minion, and serf has been the human hierarchy since we stopped living in caves. Anthropologists could probably even make the case that the priestly class (which emerged with the institutionalization of shamanism) incorporated the M/M/S model even earlier.

While it's true that a proper, conventional revolution is made more problematic by the apparatus of the national security state, there has never really been a proper revolution anyway. The new boss has always remained much as the old boss, since all the new orders have chosen to pursue power for its own sake.

The thing that's new is the slow shift in human consciousness; never before were geographically separated people connected by a shared vision of what's wrong in the world and how we could make it better. Of course we've got the odds stacked against us, but they've got chaos & entropy knocking on their door. It's not so much the political and economic organs that sustain them at this point as the smoke and mirrors they use to shepherd our thoughts back into the fold.

The fact that we can engage our riotous intuition in such a rigorous manner here suggests that the invisible shackles can be which point the mechanisms of impeachment, etc, become as irrelevant as the bylaws of the comintern have. (If the latter ever even had any relevance under the state capitalism which masqueraded as communism in the last century.)

8/06/2006 09:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>harry said...
The time for talking is coming to an end.

We know enough to see what the future holds for us.

But we are many they are few.

We all know what we have to do.

So let's do it... <<

I hope you don't confuse the fact that I find all the techno warmachine the US has at its disposal may not be enough to stop a bunch of psychos with box cutters fom doing it severe damage a liberating concept, with murdering thousands of people (especially firefighters) which I abhor.

As much as its a nice idea I don't actually accept it, bit its worth keeping in mind.

But as for knowing what we have to do.

If it doesn't include healing ourselves our families and our world, cracking "free" (as in $cost free, if nothing else) energy, and strengthening our communities in a non dogmatic way.

While minimising the hurt in the world then it ain't on the agenda.

I don't need to wage war on the US. If they lose all possibility of redemption Gaia will do the job for me.

There is enough pointless violence in the world as it is, so much I can't tell WHAT'S JUSTIFIED AND WHAT ISN'T.

Probably none.

Its an oldie but a goodie...

"We don't want no killing Lord I don't wanna see my brother die."

8/06/2006 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>Why is everyone waiting for someone to lead them? It is almost like we are designed to trust a Higher authority. This does not fit Darwins model very well does it.<<

Don't start with that messiah crap either. We all know its cos death seems a long time at the moment, and we all know that its not that easy to risk being just one more unmarked corpse with a bullet in its head.

I was talking to Jesus just the other day actually, don't expect him soon. This is the last place he wants to be right now. Earth. What with it being so full of the same fundie wankers that nailed him to a tree. Just wearing different clothes.

He said he'll help out where he can on a personal level. But we have to sort this mess out for ourselves. But he said to say he still loves you zephyr, till I saw your post I had no idea what he was talking about.

8/06/2006 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any long time reader of Jeff Wells, surely can see that their is a hidden evil force that has a powerful grip on mankind. Any student of history understands that the aristocracy,and those in power have always been adhearants to the occult. This has not changed in our modern era. What then is this spiritistic influence shaping our future through a material organization of devotees?

It is not very complicated. Truth is the enemy. Every institution every devised has been used to further the deception to maintain and control the minds of the masses. Teaching doctrines of men, coruppting all that is good. Redirecting mens allegiance away from the Sovereign of the universe, our creater. Do you really think Jehovah is going to stand by and allow satan and his minions to continue to defile his name and his creation.
Zephaniah 2:3 - Seek Jehovah all you meek ones of the earth, who have practiced His own judicial decision. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you will be concealed in the day of Jehovahs anger.

8/06/2006 11:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

YOu made one mistake. The 2nd plane crash wasn't aired until 4:30 EST. That left 4 hours unaccounted for. With all the on-the-scene reporting taking place that day, those magical hours late videos of the plane crashes does more than enough to at least ponder "pods", much less tampering.

Compare the live helicopter photos of the WTC "plane crash hole" with photos released the next day. Those were doctored as well to better fit the wings and body of the plane.

8/06/2006 12:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


There's another high profile assination attributed to this group, or at least attempt at one which seemed to have the desired effect regardless: the hit on Ronald Reagan with Bush family friend and son of the president of CIA front World Vision John Hinckley Jr. behind the trigger.


8/06/2006 01:29:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Here’s another darkling log for the fire. I was having an ethereal drink over at Billmon’s Whiskey Bar yesterday when I happened upon two connected unpleasantries. One was a startling bit of attempted humor from the boys and girls over at the Council on Foreign Relations. Apparently well aware of their sinister reputation, they made a strangely jeering jest at the expense of folks like us when they said (after introducing the luminous panel which was discussing the topic of “The Emerging Shia Crescent”):

"So for those of you who are conspiracy theorists and think that the council controls the world, this is further additional ammunition that we in fact do just that."

If the topic that the panel had embarked upon were just some run of the mill rich folks exploiting poor folks fodder, such a remark might have been merely arrogant, but since this Shia Crescent thing is anything but typical, the ‘joke’ really does take on sinister overtones.

The best explanation of the imminent Crescent Crisis actually comes, not from the den of those CFRers, but from the Whiskey Bar, a decidedly non-CFR site, , which Jeff has linked and which I’ve often visited in the past but normally find a little too focused on straightforward politics—the known unknowns are, I think, too seldom included in Billmon’s otherwise concise analyses. This time, however, he was zeroed right in on the CFR’s topic du jour and dark clouds quickly gathered, even without any extra dimensions. He started out by discussing the apparent “success” of the antiwar wing of the Democrats and “Left Blogistan” in putting ‘I-suck-chimpface’ Liebermann on the ropes in his race against Ned Lamont on Connecticut, which Billmon saw as deeply flawed because it only served to obfuscate a much bigger problem, which was the shift from Iraq to Lebanon in the mad designs of the desperately resurgent neocons. The reasoning goes like this: Lamont only opposes the war in Iraq and has, in fact, already pledged unconditional support for Israel, which, when coupled with Howard Dean’s recent and rather showy self-abasement at the feet of AIPAC and the insane lust for WWIII on the part of the mad dog neocons augers no good at all for the rest of the world. Read Billmon’s prediction:

The lesson learned from the Democratic reaction to Israel's war of choice is that the Dems are only likely to oppose war as long as the war in question can be framed as a fight against Iraqi insurgents and/or Shi'a death squads, rather than a fight for Israel. But the Iraq occupation isn't going to fit neatly into that frame much longer. In fact it's already slipped out of it. The Dems -- always a little slow on the uptake -- just haven't realized it yet. But when the time comes to choose (for Israel, or against war with Iran) I fully expect to see Ned Lamont in the front ranks of the pro-war phalanx, right next to the last great white Democratic anti-war hope, Howard Dean.

People tell me I shouldn't get hung up on this because, you know, if the Dems get in they'll make sure the seniors get their Social Security checks a little faster -- or they'll keep the Supreme Court out of the hands of legal madmen or do something about global climate change or save the whales or whatever else it is that's supposed to make the Democratic Party infinitely preferable to the Republicans.

It's not that I discount these differences entirely -- although they're easily oversold. But compared to the fate that awaits the republic, and the world, if the United States deliberately starts a war with Iran, those other considerations start to look pretty insignificant. I mean, we're talking about World War III here, fought by people who want to use tactical nuclear weapons. I'm supposed to put that out of my mind because the Dems might be a little bit more generous about funding the VA budget??? I'm sorry, but that's fucking nuts.

The truth is that on the most important issue of our time -- the cliff that drops into total darkness -- the only real opposition left in this country is in the Pentagon, where, according to Sy Hersh, at least some of the generals are trying to stall the march to war. Plus whatever scattered resistance is left in the intelligence agencies following the purges of the past couple of years.

It is a stunning testament to the political devolution of this country that the most effective anti-war movement in America is inside the walls of the Pentagon or buried deep in the bowels of the CIA! But that is the reality, thanks in no small part to the Dems and the Israel lobby.

I had hopes once that the Democratic Party could be reformed, that progressives could burrow back in or build their own parallel organizations (like or even Left Blogistan) and eventually gain control of the party and its agenda -- much as the conservatives took over the GOP in the 1980s and '90s.

But I think we've run out of time. Events -- from 9/11 on -- have moved too fast and pushed us too far towards the clash of civilizations that most sane people dread but the neocons desperately want. The Dems are now just the cadet branch of the War Party. While the party nomenklatura is finally, after three bloody years, making dovish noises about the Iraq fiasco, I think their loyalty to Israel, or their fear of the Israel lobby, almost certainly will snap them back into line during the coming "debate" over war with Iran.

I hope like hell I'm wrong about this, but I don't think I am. So I guess I'll just have to accept being labeled a traitor to the cause -- or whatever the hardcore partisans are calling it. Sure, why not. They're certainly free to follow their party over the cliff (we're all going over it anyway) but I'd at least prefer to do it with my eyes open. (Posted by billmon at August 3, 2006 10:45 PM)

You can read the whole thing for yourself,
(and it’s well worth your time, even--if you really have snerves of steel--this scary DoD flash animation of nuclear bunker-busters in Iran:, but despite the depth of this Whiskey Bar analysis, there’s still something missing, and that’s where the normal gets para. I know we’ve been dancing with unease around the issue of the upcoming Armageddon a lot of late, but there has to be more to it than what even the Whiskey Bar has given us. For example, where does the very public display of those giant triangles that Jeff wrote about fit into this insanity? Are they “ours” or are they something from very far away? Would the technology/intelligence behind these things allow us to blow ourselves up, as these assholes seem bent on doing? (Or are the neocons and their filthy military industrialist friends the “intelligence” behind the triangles?) How do we reconcile what we know about what we don’t know with what we can see as clearly as the writing on the Whiskey Bar’s walls?

8/06/2006 02:08:00 PM  
Blogger Et in Arcadia ego said...

9/11 stands amongst your best dialogues, and it's no different here in this post.

ITEM A - Nice window-washing damage control here; swift even for a beourocracy:

ITEM B - This guy is/was one of the most respected old timers in the tattoo business. Getcher Red-Hot MC viral memetic tattoo machine for $520 containing iron from the WTC(and here we all thought that shit was shipped straight outta we know where it really went):

Spider Webb..thou art fallen, old buddy..

8/06/2006 02:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

YOu made one mistake. The 2nd plane crash wasn't aired until 4:30 EST. That left 4 hours unaccounted for. With all the on-the-scene reporting taking place that day, those magical hours late videos of the plane crashes does more than enough to at least ponder "pods", much less tampering.
Compare the live helicopter photos of the WTC "plane crash hole" with photos released the next day. Those were doctored as well to better fit the wings and body of the plane.
12:13 PM

Wrong Bozo. The explosion from the second plane was shown live, and footage of the second plane hitting the tower was on the air no more than five minutes later.

It was the footage of the first plane that wasn't shown until later in the day.

8/06/2006 02:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The wife and I saw Eyes Wide Shut last night, for the first time. I can't believe it took me this long to view it, but I am Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman averse, so it wasn't until I read the comments here at RI, that I was persuaded to give it a chance.

It floored me, and I haven't been able to get it out of my mind, since. There are so many things I want to say and discuss about the movie, I don't know where to start.

I find it rather odd and uncanny that Kubrick died shortly after filming this movie. In that sense, it suspiciously seems to me that the movie was purposely made to provide a glimpse into reality.....a reality the majority of us can't see because our eyes are wide shut. Kubrick's death is reinforcement from the occultists, of which Kubrick may very have been a member, that it was more than fantasy.

"Your inquiries are useless." It's that confidence that allows them to flaunt this shit in the face of us blind sheep, just as they have flaunted 911 in plain sight.

Something that came to mind when I watched the ritual at the castle, was Mardi Gras. I lived in Mobile, Alabama for a number of years, and that shit, at the highest levels, is definitely firmly grounded in The Occult.

If it truly is reality, and I think there is a high probability that it is, then we're fucked, folks. How the hell do you think we're going to overcome that? Shit, they can penetrate your dreams, once you become a target.

Of interesting note was the discussion with the actors, and Steven Spielberg (Why?), as part of the bonus section on the DVD. They didn't discuss the The Occultist Aspect of this movie (which was the movie), at all. It was almost as though they were instructed to avoid the topic and focus on the benign aspects, such as how you act stoned. They did discuss Stanley, and his genius, but their avoidance of The Occult was unequivocally purposeful.

Needless to say, I'm creeped, and I will admit that when it comes to The Occult, I have tended to walk about with my Eyes Wide Shut.

Not any more.

8/06/2006 02:52:00 PM  
Blogger metamars said...

I'm tired of being lied to by official sources (without the lie being point out by the news provider), and I'm also tired of insufficient research and validation into (apparently) very significant news items that do not have official status. (A stellar example of this is a recent report at showing even more links between the military/industrial complex and Atta) I'm also tired of the left gatekeeper phenomenon, and the fact that it's insufficiently exposed. (BTW, don't you find it interesting that the recent breakthroughs in 911 media exposure seem to all come from the main stream?)

The internet and existing technology provides us with a way out of this mess. A recent Pew poll shows that 48% of American get at least 30 minutes of news per day from their TELEVISION, while only 9% do so from the internet.

And yet, broadband internet is now present in about 42% of American homes, and grew a whopping 30% from just a year ago. Furthermore, peer to peer networks can cut distribution costs for producers to next to nothing.

Microsoft already has a gizmo to allow downloaded content to appear on your TELEVISION, which again, is where most Americans get their "news". Their gizmo doesn't do broadband, and furthermore only dials out to their modems. Tweaking such a gizmo to handle broadband in an open manner has to be simple.

In other words, all the pieces seem to be there to enable a replacement media at an affordable price, so the problem of Americans getting endlessly propagandized DOES have a solution. It merely takes some non-breakthrough development work, and a decent business plan or two.


My boilerplate:

I have posted a proposal on the Randi Rhodes show forum for replacing our current media with a new, sustainable media that facilitates the selection of "filtering agents". You can think of these as honest gatekeepers that YOU trust - and that keep out trivial information, rather than very important information that groups with economic and other hidden agendas prefer to hide from you.

The thread is entitled:
"Putting the NY Times Out of Business"

The thread is subtitled:
"Proposal to replace ALL corrupt media"



8/06/2006 02:55:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

The triangles are ours in my opinion. My brother and a friend saw one, very low, flaunting it. He is not into this stuff, and not prone to tell stories. If true then the “unknown unknown” is already in play. However despite their intelligence they likely cannot integrate it into a larger system for understanding. This is the natural result of having a coercive relationship to the ineffable. If this is wrong then we are fucked, but at least Mr. Rumsfeld is an insomniac.

8/06/2006 02:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Somewhere else I read someone say "If our side had 'em (the triagles) then all of this would be framed in different terms...seems they'd be more effective sported over Iraq or Lebanon... also, they look great, but do they really DO anything uncoventional, are they just another workhorse to drop conventional weaponry out of...personally, I think they're not ours, maybe not from this planet...I don't know, I suspect some of the plot threads are going to start tying up soon....As the old movie said "Look to the skies!, Look to the skies!"

8/06/2006 03:43:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff Wells said...

I suspect some of the plot threads are going to start tying up soon....As the old movie said "Look to the skies!, Look to the skies!"

I'm reminded of this:

Journeys Out of the Body also records visionary alleged "precog" side-effects [Robert] Monroe experienced during his early astral experiments. They are usually dreadful with strange menace and futility:

I am standing alone outside my house.... I see a group of aircraft emerge from the cloud cover, just above it. They approach, and I note that they are not typical aircraft or rockets.... They are not like any airplanes I have seen before. No wings are visible, and each machine is gigantic.... Each is shaped like the head of an arrow, V-shaped....

Gasoline is unavailable, electric power has been shut off. there is a great sense of fatality among everyone. It doesn't seem to be the product of atomic war, and there is no concern as to radioactive fallout. There is principally a feeling of doom and the breakup of civilization as we know it due to something momentous having taken place, a factor beyond human control.

Monroe adds, "I hope some of them are hallucinations."

8/06/2006 04:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the anonymous 2:37 bitch who called me a "bozo." What is your problem? DO you have ADD? An anger management issue? YOu don't even know who the fuck I am. Read this genious...

8/06/2006 05:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the anonymous 2:37 bitch who called me a "bozo." What is your problem? DO you have ADD? An anger management issue? YOu don't even know who the fuck I am. Read this genious...

You are worse than a Bozo. You are a obviously a fucking idiot. The person who wrote the piece you linked to got it wrong. The live coverage on NBC showed the second plane hit the tower within minutes of the event.

The author of your linked piece admints he didn't begin taping the action until 9:55 EST. That was well after both towers had been hit.

8/06/2006 06:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that most of the 9-11 "players" that think they're on the inside will soon wake up to find they're on the outside... kind of like how the workers that knew the secret passageways to the Pharoahs riches in the pyramids were eliminated after they had fulfilled their purpose.


Here's an excert from the work of Andrew Grove:

In 2000 I worked for a software development entity called SilverStream Software. I worked in Sales- and in October of that year I won the largest client in company history, which soon thereafter led to the acquisition of SilverStream by Novell.

In contextual hindsight, and considering the audience, my Gordon Gekko was a client named Marsh & McLennan. Marsh is the world’s largest Insurance Brokerage. You might also recall that Marsh was located right below Cantor Fitzgerald in the North Tower, and approximately 295 Marsh employees were murdered that morning along with the other innocent victims and employees who either “knew too much”, or “too little” about their chosen work environment.

SilverStream’s technology was on the cutting edge of internet solutions, offering software to web-enable the critical business functions of Fortune 500 companies- basically integrating and making available on the web the disparate legacy applications and mainframes while simultaneously streamlining workflow and traditional paper processes, with an end result being a lower cost of operation and more efficient transactions- because inefficiencies such as people were being taken out of the loop. And here’s where it gets interesting…

SilverStream had built internet transactional and trading platforms for Merrill Lynch, Deutsche Bank, Banker’s Trust, Alex Brown, Morgan Stanley; to name a few. I was responsible for these accounts at one time or another. Coincidently, several of these companies purchased space in the World Trade Center and simultaneously completed disaster-recovery and business continuance implementations just prior to 9-11.
And hopefully, you’re already somewhat familiar with the roles that these financial institutions played on 9-11, and if you include Marsh & McLennan, and another client of mine in 2001, AIG, on the list: you pretty much have the major players involved in the financial aspect of the 9-11 fraudulent trading activity.


AIG CEO Maurice “Hammerin’ Hank” Greenberg, who coincidentally was also the former chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, and his 2 sons: Jeff and Evan- who were coincidentally the CEOs of the major insurance entities Marsh & McLennan and ACE Insurance respectively- were creatively managing their fiscal assets- as well as the public representation of those assets.

To offer a little contextual History, AIG was founded by OSS operative Cornelius V. Starr (2 R’s), the uncle of Clinton’s friend Kenneth Starr. AIG was created for and is currently a front which provides cover for intelligence community illicit operations. In 2001, AIG owned a Risk Management firm called Kroll Associates.

Kroll played a major role in the events of September 11th, and continues to this day to enable events like the 7-7 and 7-21 bombings in the London Tube system… they then go on TV and provide “expert” counterterrorism testimony to the goldfish at home tuned into FoxNews and the like.

While Kroll provided the necessary operational capability, in part, for what was perpetrated; AIG and Marsh were focused on participating in both short and long-term money schemes. Kroll’s Jerome Hauer (a long time personal friend of ex-FBI Counterterrorism & Osama bin Laden expert John O’Neill) hired O’Neill as head of security for the WTC.

8/06/2006 06:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



I will never forget who I am, I will never forget my guitar, and I will NEVER forget ABOUT the WOLVERINES!!!

You win MacGyver and guess what....nobody cares.

8/06/2006 07:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alot of people forget who they are and leave their house without their guitar.

I love Reece for never leaving the house without his guitar. I love him for his music and for always calling that period of time his "modeling days." Reece, you are a saint and I look up to you.

8/06/2006 07:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Outside the Iron Mockingbird Curtain:

Imagine 9/11 hasn't happened yet.

Imagine you don't live in the U.S.

Imagine you witnessed the Cold War from a distance. Imagine you witnessed a closed society like the U.S.S.R. or East Germany, with state-run media & surveillance & citizen informant networks.

Imagine you've seen Operation Gladio and state-sponsored herding.

So you already know: What's happening is not unique.

Suddenly imagine that you are a U.S. citizen on 9/11. You are drifting in the narrative of the American playground. Vaguely, you are aware of False Flags and Black Ops. But when you've reached the evening of 9/11/01, you are engulfed in a new narrative.

Your personal narrative is swamped. It doesn't matter if you recognize 9/11 as a False Flag. Because nobody around you is prepared to recognize 9/11 as a False Flag. You must carry-on into a dual existence, a double life:

Privately, you recognize that a military coup in slow motion is underway. Privately, you recognize that a Constitutional takeover lies ahead, and then a Night of the Long Knives purge. Privately, you recognize that a plane crash into the Capitol Dome will wipe out all opponents, Democrat and other, in a few years.

But publicly, you must carry on living in the world of "There Are No Conspiracies" Amnesialand. Where citizens don't know who was President before Clinton. Where the "U.S.S.R." is a vague story without details.

So you've found a few brothers on Rigorous Intuition & Cooperative Research & other Internet websites where 9/11 Military Coup is acknowledged, where Operation Mockingbird is recognized by all.

But everyone's energy is spent fighting the Daily Official Narrative of the State, like Pravda, trying to suck you into the void. Daily. Again and again.

At least Pravda was recognized as "lies, but you can find some facts within it, if you know how to read it."

Metamars' idea is to "replace the corrupt media," which is a great start, but as Metamars describes it, does not duplicate a "reality outside the Iron Curtain" that we are now living in.

Because the New Iron Curtain surrounds the planet: there is no "Outside."

Apart from a few governments who assuredly recognize 9/11 as a military coup (see second paragraph at link), Metamars' idea would only work if it looks exactly like the New York Times or CBS, except from a parallel universe.

The cure for 9/11 is a world outside the Iron Mockingbird Curtain, a parallel universe that we can see, where Operation Mockingbird is a Daily Recognized Fact Of Existence, where the editorials are for-granted about the 9/11 military coup, where the humdrum ads for Saks Fifth Avenue jewelry and Wal-Mart all reflect a daily for-granted knowledge of the Military Coup.

What's missing is the promise of a world outside the Iron Curtain. Outside the Operation Mockingbird.

A world outside that we can see.

And perhaps most importantly, a world apart from 9/11-Truth websites, where the facts are so taken-for-granted and acknowledged that 9/11-Truth websites are redundant.

If you immediately recognized a military coup on 9/11/01, because you were versed in Chilean history or False Flag history, then you felt the strange distorted sensation of being swamped, trapped inside a False Narrative. (You see, prior to that, a False Narrative may have always existed, but it was easily kept at arm's-length from Personal Narrative... but since 9/11 Falsity permeates everybody else, and so creates a need to compartmentalize your own reality (which is more than your own reality, it is reality), you need a strong sense of Personal Metanarrative to transcend history).

The cure for 9/11 will feel exactly like that sucking narrative engulfing you, except in reverse.

Outside the Iron Mockingbird Curtain.

Great comments from metamars, iridescent cuttlefish & antiaristo.

I especially agree with metamars on this: Operation Mockingbird (and its probable updated exponentially-expanding descendants) is the problem.

If [...Air America/NYT/CBS/Raw Story/Daily Kos/etc...] won't mention or discuss Operation Mockingbird, then we must presume they're a gatekeeper. "Operation Mockingbird Awareness Week" is a good time to call your local talk-radio gatekeeper.

Did you know that Carl Bernstein's "CIA & The Media" Rolling Stone article from October 1977, which "outed" Operation Mockingbird, isn't even available unabridged on the Internet?

8/06/2006 07:15:00 PM  
Blogger AJ said...

"The cure for 9/11 will feel exactly like that sucking narrative engulfing you, except in reverse."


Except I was under the impression the sucking sound I was hearing was the constitution going down the bowl.

my bad.

8/06/2006 10:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff Wells links to all the best fake-opposition "911 truth" web sites, but some 9/11 sites are too incisive for the gatekeepers of the truth about 9/11, so they just don't mention what they don't want you to know or think about...

8/06/2006 11:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This morning,wrestling again with the issues of the less visible uber-strategies in the Mind War, which blog meister Wells often points to, I remembered these personal observations:

The emf matrix surrounding us all gets stronger by the day. I suspect that the growing din amounts to more than frequency chaos. A unified what?

The 'Will you be my neighbor' ET idea got started in the early 50's with the channeling of the group around George Hunt Williamson, and then the books and 'photos' by Adamski. All the while ignoring the high wierdness covered well by John Keel, and the high dangerousness, and historic repetitivenes documented by J.Vallee. Then the subject was brought in from the fringe briefly by R.Raygun, who suggested that the possibility of war with unfriendly ET folks might serve as a unifier among the nations.

But this mighty river of revery led me to this: In shaping the public perception of authority-in-the-flesh from 'up there', or 'out there', before Streiber, there was... that guy who made ET into a cuddly plush toy (no longer the soul-energy sucking, flesh eater, the 'harvester'), no indeed, the space brother was an accomplished keyboard player, a benign collector of aircraft pilots...
This same director has long been point man on introducing and amplifying major memes and pc thought prisons. A serious player in the military industrial entertainment complex.

Didn't he also make some b+w film about WWII?

8/07/2006 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hold in my hand a list of 27 key individuals in the blogging world who are undeniable gatekeepers, and who are members of known gatekeeper organizations...threats, every one of them, to alternative versions 1.0, and 1.7...

8/07/2006 01:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks to all for some good reading.

I spent the last six hours of my 2nd consecutive 16 hour shift today in an emergency room with a client who had dug a silver dollar sized hole into the top of his head with his fingers. A nice bloody mess.
In one of his lucid moments I asked him why he, y'know, dug a big fat fucking bloody hole in his head. He said, or more precisely sing-songed, "I was trying to pull the soul out. I was trying to pull the soul out."

Geez! How pathetic is that?
I come hear to read weird shit I have nothing to do with to take my mind off of weird shit I live through.

Good luck with the whole 'open America's eyes' crusade. There will be much hoop jumping before anyone actually pays attention.
I've come to believe that, on some level, we are incapable of actually listening to each other.

As an example, tonight the nurse was doing triage on this guy while I was restraining his arms. She was standing in front of him & I specifically told her 3 times, "you might not want to do that because he's pissed & will kick you." Each time she mumbled, "Yeah yeah, ok," but didn't move.

Then he kicked her.

Right in the face.

Surprisingly she moved.

So unless there's some big kick coming for America's collective chin, I wouldn't look for any mass awakening any time soon.

Thankfully, on 911, I was blissfully unaware that any of that shit was happening for a good 3 hours after most of the world.

About the time the 1st plane hit the towers my wife & eye were making love while the kids were watching Mr. Rogers on PBS.

I left the house at 10 for an hour ride into Pittsburgh & since I don't listen to the radio & I have no desire for a cell phone I got to stay blissfully unaware.

i hit pgh at about 11 AM, parked my little car on the outskirts of the city. As I turned away from the parking meter i looked up at what appeared to be the entire city of pgh walking towards me.

Walking very fucking fast.

I remember thinking, & you can blame this on too many Chiller Theater marathons back when tv was only 3 channels & 60% of it was locally produced, but i remember thinking, "Holy fucking shit. It looks like Godzilla is coming."

I discovered that I'm one of those people who is stupid enough to walk in the direction everyone else appears to want to escape from.

I also discovered that I'm callous enough to still hunt for old blues cds even after I have the situation explained to me.

Got some great deals. The store owner gave me great prices for what he called 'your private 911 sale.' Ain't capitalism grand?

Even when it's burning, that is?

8/07/2006 01:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

iridescent cuttlefish,

Absolutely loved your writing. Re the “The Emerging Shia Crescent” reference, the image of a "crescent" so long associated with the middle east, suddenly jogged my memory of our own Crescent City also known as New Orleans - that other place of ruination.

8/07/2006 01:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

judasdisney -

I more than half agree with you, but with the one major exception that I'm not at all inclined to think of things in "if you're not with us, you're with the terrorists" terms.

The way I see the world is that everybody's got their own little holographic fragment of the truth, and our job is to get together and join our fragments in order to arrive at larger and clearer (though still necessarily broken and partial) images of the truth.

We're *all* doing that -- every living, breathing human being is combining knowledge and insights and awareness at every moment of contact with another human being. Some of us may be doing it more profoundly and searchingly and daringly than others, but there's nobody I'd rule out as having nothing of value to contribute. Everybody's got a piece of the puzzle. Everybody's got something to share.

Even disinfo is a part of the whole. It can be a very confusing part -- as if somebody was deliberately trying to make the puzzle harder to solve by putting in a lot of pieces backwards or upside down or in the wrong places. Sometimes it's necessary to put a section of the puzzle that's been mucked with that way aside for a while, until you've worked out more of the context and can look at those pieces with a sharper eye and recognize how they should be reoriented and where they really belong.

But I don't rule out any sources of information -- except in the temporary sense of choosing what can be worked with most productively at the moment.

Everybody does that in their own way. Even among the people you call left gatekeepers, only some are disinfo agents. Most of them are just doing what any of us might do -- working on the parts of the puzzle that seem most fruitful and ignoring the rest for the time being.

The thing is that we're all in this together -- and though it can be very frustrating to try to deal with someone who wilfully refuses to look at what is so clear and so important to you, patience is what's called for far more than denigration. Because if their great flaw is being unwilling to listen to you, why should you mirror that flaw by refusing to listen to them?

We all have a piece of the truth, and there's no one whose story isn't worth hearing. Even the Rapture nuts have things of value to tell us if we tune our ears right -- that there is a great change coming, that it will completely reverse all our assumptions about life and the relative scale of importance, that it may seem frightening but is really the most wonderful thing imaginable.

They may have forgotten the meaning of their own stories -- two or three thousand year old stories of which they are the over-literal custodians -- but that doesn't mean the stories aren't worth hearing and paying serious attention toe.

Listen to everyone. Accept wisdom from everyone. If someone seems to be screwing up their own message, take that into account, but don't stop listening to them. Everybody listening to everybody is the only way we're ever going to survive.

8/07/2006 01:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Your absolute positivism just makes me so tired. Where in the world, no...How in the world do you sustain that confidential energy in the face of the wretched reality that we are living through? You are a cosmic cheerleader and more power to you.

As for why some of the rest of us have no illusions of coming together and DOING SOMETHING before it's too late...well, it is too late. I am a Chauncey Gardner character relying on my trusty remote control while viewing the current scene in a cool semi-hypnotic state as I have been trained to do since I was placed before the TV as a small child. Most of my life has been spent watching a well-scripted story occasionaly interrupted by "real" life. I have been trained to wait it out for the deus ex machina which always comes in half-hour to hourly segments after I put in the time being commercialized. Very little arouses or surprises me as I have been overly desensitized through a lifetime of watching all manner of things fantastical. I suspect there are a lot of other people out there just like me. Time to channel surf!

8/07/2006 02:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As for those with a little "holographic fragment of truth", I have a corrolary on that: "some holographic fragments are bigger than others." That fails to mean better. Just more intricate, though I do take more intricate as a better way to look at the world than painting it in huge abstract colors.

Therefore, I always trust more the higher up "outs" when I can find them and cross link their views for what fits or interestly fails to fit. More than likely it is they who have access to more of the main meal's pieces than most of us are fighting over crumbs on the evidential floor.

God, this got long. Bare with me. Skip if it annoys you—like it annoys me. Come back later. Good stuff, I promise. Useful stuff for understanding these issues.

A prime topic for Jeff to delve into is Phil Schneider. I'm surprised Jeff has yet to mention Phil--particularly since triangles and other craft the U.S. military has that can fly about the world or space at 20,000 mph or more came out around 1994-5 with Phil.

Triangles are only one small aspect of Phil's information. I "triangulate" it with several other witnesses--particularly one close to Werner Von Braun and one more simply for attempting to understand Phil’s psychological motivations for doing what was what he knew would be suicidal—come out about such things. This “psychological profile” is based on my comparison with the comparable rightwing Reaganite military intel agent who in the mid 1980s turned into a genuine peacenik hippie intellectual leftist, Steve Kangas, down to the new uniform of rough beard, happy smiles, and barefeet.

I will write the following from what I think has been irrefutably established concerning Phil's story. There are several good articles that go into detail about Phil on the web. If you find one of them link back.

I'm writing this based on reading those articles as well as watching his video presentations taken during his last months of life, and taking notes from them, and information from the Werner Von Braun confidant Carol Rosin who’s stories dovetail (and veer away) from Phil’s story about the “hostile aliens.” Here’s what Carol Rosin has to say a quote, before we get into Phil:


Dr. von Braun would have tears in his eyes every time – and he repeated this continuously to me when he talked about us in the galaxy – he would say 'with a hundred billion stars in our galaxy alone. What would make us think that we are the only life form?' That was a very typical, repeated quote.

The other one that he would say is that he knew that we must have peace in space in order to bring the truth in. The only time he used the word, 'extraterrestrial' and 'alien' – and he did this repeatedly as well – was when he spoke to me about the formula for war. That included the fact that when I entered the industry, we were in a supposed Cold War with Russia.

He would say, 'Let's start here where you are.' There are continuous wars and enemies identified in order to perpetuate these wars, always with the ultimate goal of seizing the high ground of outer space to dominate and control the minds of people on Earth so they would not be given the truth, truthful information about who we really are in the universes.


Well, this is what he did not describe. I believe what was happening is that he was under threat.

American "Enemy's List" to Sustain War Mode and Pentagon Budgets

Soviet Union


That's right. He repeated this continuously. He would say that starting where I entered the industry with the supposed Russian threat, but never actually existed ­ the Russians were made to be the enemy. Then there would be terrorists, Third World country threats. there would be an asteroid threat. They might even say to us to try to influence the public into believing that there are many reasons for why we should put weapons in space. There might be a reason to protect our assets in space.

But, the real one that he was always holding off on and would say again with tears filling his eyes every time he said this to me repeatedly was that the last card they are holding is the 'alien card,' the extraterrestrial card and none of them are hostile. In any way he could say those words, the intonation was always on, 'None of them are hostile. It's all a lie.' So, in other words, all the enemies that have been presented to us along the way ­ it's a lie with always the intention of seizing the high ground to keep the truth from us.

– ET Threat to Perpetuate Military-Industrial-Corporate-Academic Complex –


Not just for the Pentagon, but aerospace industries, labs, universities and anyone else who has a job and makes a profit from keeping this a secret. Although most of the people in the industry don't even know there is this big secret of all time – and yes, you have articulated this very beautifully. You are not at all putting words in my mouth – that's exactly what I'm saying.

Except that it's not the influence of just people in the Pentagon. This is some how, as he would put it, inexorably linked to all the facets of profit-making, of so-called security and defense mechanisms, of people who just need a job to survive and pay for their kids' college education and also to keep the public stupid.

I have felt that since this happened, since I learned from the heart of von Braun, that this huge secret is being kept ­ it has to have something to do with the 'off-planet culture,' that I call OPC phenomenon ­ that in fact, it was so real that this man could hardly talk about this big secret and did not because of the threats to his life and probably to the lives of others who worked with him who might or might not have known. But he certainly did.

So, I think Werner von Braun saw this back in the 1970s. He died in 1977.

– Must Prevent Weaponization of Space –

But what he always added on to his talks with me – that for years I did not say because of the ridicule factor – was this message that we must prevent the weaponization of space from happening and that the big lie is that none of them are hostile, talking about this list of potential enemies against whom we have been taught to fear and even hate – that none of them are hostile.

[This would explain all the strange U.S. military orchestrated B movie hype-fear about running around coring cattle etc, when its probably the U.S. doing it testing or doing biological samples, attempting to blame it on the constructed “damn evil alien” presence they want everyone to believe.]

We are all essence and none of them are hostile haunted me for years until the early 2000s I started to learn about high level military intelligence, corporate people, who had already gone public by saying things like that, but also by emphasizing the fact that we must keep weapons out of space and that there is other life in the universe.

I'm just tuning into it myself and it has caused me to work with people around the world who want to get a Space Preservation Treaty signed and we do have a companion bill in the Congress that was introduced even before the treaty came forward by Congressman Dennis Kucinich (Dem-10th Congressional District, Ohio) and others who co-sponsored it to call for a ban on ALL space-based weapons. We don't have to study which ones. It would also prevent the destruction or damage of anything in space that is in orbit.

In other words, our satellites that we need to verify what is in space coming in (toward Earth) and what is on Earth so we can see the Earth to reduce and eliminate missiles and nuclear weapons and other dangerous and polluting technologies on the planet. This must be done – we must protect those satellites and they should NOT be used as 'force multipliers' in war games which is the old scenario. But that is happening.


From my information, they do not interfere. They will not, however, allow us to take our weapons and toxins into space.

[i.e., in 2010 movie meme: “Take everything else in the solar system. Don’t touch the Europa moon, though, you earth bastards or look what happens.” ]

They will, however, let the human species do whatever it does to itself. That's the information I've been given and that's what I see happening. I have no evidence myself for this, but I've read that OPCs (Off-Planet Cultures) have shut down the attempt to put operational weapons in space. I have also been given information that they will not interfere with what we do.

However, there is a possibility that they would leave [i.e and never help] if we set off nuclear bombs, nuclear technology, and/or continue with the space-based weapons program.

But I'm 60 years old now and I've gone through this issue for 30 years now day and night, holding as von Braun did this piece of information about this big lie that's being told – this canopy of lies that especially in the U. S. and because we keep it such a big secret here – has been kept over our heads. It's like we live behind this veil of secrecy and so many of us who know pieces of it – whether it's intuitively or by experience or by a learning process – we keep way under the radar. We talk about it at dinner from a non-believing state to a giggle to an 'Oh, my God! This is real!'

Keep that view of the aliens in mind as we get into Phil below and we start seeing triangles.

Phil Schneider's 15 months of fame--then he was dead--was based on him being, he claimed, the highest U.S. government black operations "out" who went public. And who’s to argue? There’s no one else ever to have made such a claim--or claim--as Phil.

Phil had a different view on aliens. When I discuss it below I want to make known that despite the high tech-details lumped into Phil’s talks, before he was killed in 1995, his interpretive framework is vastly different from the Rosin/Von Braun view. Phil is on the one hand warning us of the state terrorists in the United States who plotted to take down the WTCs in 1993 who Phil notes were interacting with the aliens. So, Phil got the idea that dangerous aliens were working with them. Phil provides lots of gray information about the technology side though he is really sketchy in talking about how he formed his views on the far more “black vs. white” aliens issue in his mind. I put it to you that this means that he lacks nuanced information about it. Keep that in mind.

Phil’s interpretive framework about the aliens seems pretty sketchy on documentation, and is probably (from my psychological profile of Phil) based on how he got into an accidental deadly firefight with some aliens in the esoterically known “Dulce Wars”—when he drilled down into their deep underground base that. Phil claimed to be the only “sane” one left from that troop group—all the rest were dead, or in mental hospitals. A whole Delta Forces team was completely wiped out, one of them pushed Phil back into the elevator, mining inspection lift after he was injured, pressed the button, and send their boss back to the top. Phil said that the guy who did that for him was killed below later—along with everyone else, with only a few mentally and physically broken ones left that are hidden away in mental hospitals and who refuse to talk. Not Phil though. Phil barely survives the incident of tunneling down into an alien base somewhere in New Mexico, and seems to have worn a grudge on his sleeve, in his entire missing ribcage that was turned into a plastic turtle shell to keep his insides in, and his missing three or four half fingers pieces on one hand that was turned into a claw looking hand. I’m sure I’d be pissed at aliens as well from that day onward, as well as have “survivor guilt” since so many of his work friends died and he survived and the government he said did nothing to the aliens about it.

Phil claims the government knew about the “suicide mission” to drill onto an alien base. And in Phil’s righteous indignation and spuned way, to Phil, this was all just a set up to manipulate Phil and end up killing lots of humans for little purpose except to see what would happen. However, I am skeptical that the U.S. government would want to kill irreplaceable base creation staff like himself, particularly in the middle of a project. I don’t think is all that believable that the U.S. government would intentionally off their best demolitions-deep underground base worker—and then pay for his recovery in the hospital for over 2 years with a compete ribcage replacement with a plastic shell to hold his guts in--and set him back to work—if they really wanted to use him as a lab rat to tunnel in on an alien base. Though “damn it, Jim!”--this is one of Phil’s motivations, to “get back” at what he sees as a murky “alien threat” he sees “obviously in cahoots with” the very evil humans he came into contact with running the United States. So I suggest that Phil’s interpretation has to be taken into account in understanding Phil’s motivations for exposing various alien technologies, you see, as “getting back at the aliens” per se. Phil’s talks in 1994-5, in which he equates and cojoins U.S. state terrorism/N W O and “alien threat” is hardly even sketchy. It’s just something he says. It seems that the whole alien angle is one of the purposes for him risking his life like this, though I am saying Phil may have been disasterously wrong on that point though deadly correct about the state terrorism incidents that he was increasingly asked to perform to perfection for the U.S.

So this was Phil’s life. It fails to mean that Phil had a "core knowledge” of what was going on and there are several points about his narrative, and with his view of the world being very reactionary and even adolescent politically and sexually, it indicates to me that Phil, even if he was indeed allowed into the corridors of parapolitical evil power in the U.S., he still had hardly achieved a "need to know" basis about some things which he fills in with his interpretation of “putting two and two together to make five” of the meaning of certain events.

Phil knew everything on the one hand “you ever wanted to know though were afraid to ask” about alien craft and technology and materials, and could rattle it off so quickly in his conferences. Since he was a “servo-technological worker” in the black projects mostly by definition he’s hardly going to be asked about making political policy—only how to make the best guns and explosives. Phil’s personality is simultaneously one of nerves and psyche of steel combined with some charateristics of a childlike idiot savant, if you ask me. He comes across as a genuine “dangerous intellect” though a man-child in his political development frozen in some of the most naïve sounding 10 year old political statements.

So, when he politically grew up fast in 1993--when his 10 year old view of the United States was “popped’ when they asked him to kill Americans for them and take down the WTCs--it was only made worse that about the same year a bit earlier Phil was let in on some human-alien meetings. Certainly sitting there so damaged from these creatures attempting to kill him and his friends, from his past experience with Dulce (whether by intent or accident of the U.S. Gov’t who can say, Phil really felt it was intentional), a “U.S. state terrorism danger” is morphed into his personal experiences of an “alien threat” from Dulce. These issues I suggest get morphed in his narrative.

He realizes he was in the middle of something that he didn’t like twice over, and attempted to warn us all, over the globe about two separate things that he conflated. One was the black budget U.S. military is the largest military organization on the planet, even larger than the U.S.A’s military, and that it was connected with funding through the international narcotics trade hundreds of billions that to right into it. Remember him for that if anything. He knew he would be killed for talking, and he did it anyway. He was nothing except a true patriot to the end, and a true human being attempting to look out for us the way he best thought, even if it killed him.

The other thing he wanted to share with us was his “social movement ‘time for overthrow of it all’ interpretation” of the “alien threat”, which I suggest he may not actually have had the whole picture and was influenced by his lifelong hatred and bodily scarring from his alien firefight that changed his life (and destroyed one of his hands, burned fingers right off him, and, he said, “opened him up down the ribcage with carbonized bones sticking into the air in front of him as he lay on his back” and left him with the cancer he was dying of from “cobalt radiation”.

Perhaps he did know more than he was telling about this “alien threat.” I don’t know obviously.

Though I do know that Phil does not go into any detail or any proof about his interpretation of the “alien threat,” though he did provide on the contrary a wealth of information on the technical side of the back engineered alien craft.

All Phil’s evidence of an “alien threat” sounds suspiciously, with the Carol Rosin information above, like more of a human N W O /Illuminati takeover with the huge stockpiling and base construction that is going on right now that he describes.

It sickened my stomach to find another Cathy O’Brien meme cross-verified. Phil additionally describes a Mt. Shasta area secret base. That is where Cathy O’Brien was playing “A Most Dangerous Game” when she was stripped nude as a teen, in near winter autumn, and told to run for the fun of having a rock hard Cheney in lusty pursuit with guns and dogs track her down to a foregone conclusion on a forested Mt. Shasta government installation—then he rapes here there in a cabin later.

More background on Phil.

He worked for high level international military engineering corporations--literally dozens of them--like Bechtel, Boris and Knudsen, etc.--and others. He worked at G2, G4, Groom Lake. He worked in aerospace engineering. He worked in explosives--knew and worked with 90 or more he said on a "daily basis." Worked with “construction micronuclear technology” and “atomic rock flagellation tunneling machines” that could tunnel through rock under the earth like a hot (radioactive) knife through butter, melting the discarded rock flagellate against the walls for a glass smooth sheen in one operation and in the same motion as the tunneling forward. He built NATO and U.S. and foreign government's military underground bases with his explosives/geologist skill. He said he had visited over 100 countries on his military contract travels. He was an explosives expert, knowing he said "90 different kinds of explosives" and their different material capacities. He said that the largest base of which he knew was a 30 square mile deep underground base in Sweden that was nearing completion around 1994-5. There are at least two completely secret “N W O” bases in each of every of the 50 U.S. states. There are about 1400 worldwide. Phil worked in creating many of them he said.

His security level he said made him answerable to no one in the world except three people.

In other words, ideal for black operations as well.

If ever cornered he could get out of anything. He only answered three people in the world who were in the know about people like Phil and had authority over him--how many of us can say that—these three Phil said, which were part of his general security designation were only "a U.S. base commander, the head of the CIA, or the President of the United States." Ponder on that, particularly because it means there’s a whole set up where there is a black op rolodex so to speak of which Phil was only one with that designation, instead of the only one.

Phil came right out and said that he worked with back engineered alien technologies. To understand why he would want to say this requires a bit of musing on my part, above.

For two rationales described—the immediate one of attempting to warn us about the U.S. state terrorism threat of 1993 on the WTCs, and the seemingly long simmering one about his “alien threat” that eventually merged in his mind--he walked out in 1993-4 from the Groom Lake base on the truth that he was going to see his dying father who was in black operations as well. He was telling the truth. He was. The other truth was that he was refusing to come back aftwards due to him getting privy information about how close some humans and some alients were working together that irked him, and the U.S. state terrorism that he felt required exposing. For more detail on the WTCs issue and Phil’s views of aliens that finally caused him to say “enough!”

[1] Point one that made Phil leave: Phil had been offered the "contract to take down the WTCs with demolitions, since the 1993 hit had failed." More on that below.

[2] Additionally, probably a bad move on the U.S. gov’t part given aliens almost killing him and all his friends back at Dulce, Phil had finally been trusted enough to have meetings with particular "tall 9 foot grays" who were he said working with some tippy top of the international level of security apparatus. Why I say this is the context in which he describes these meetings are hardly a U.S. only meeting.

He said his “first and only” meeting with the “alien threat” was surreally in a context of a "perfect copy in an underground base of the United Nations buildings.” The meeting he describes is one of being delayed because some unknown visitors are going to attend in the room that is identical to the security council room that is in a circle of chairs. Phil is not at one of the circle chairs, he is in the audience chairs. However Phil noted that when he was ushered into this meeting to wait for the “VIPs” he was told were going to be coming in (it seems that no one explained to him that they would be aliens), he said he noted that there was an unexplained secondary “shadow circle” of chairs behind the first circle. These chairs were strange--much higher off the floor to which they were grounded. The humans came in and sat down in the first circle. They were all waiting. Later, calmly filing in as well, Phil said he saw “9 foot tall alien grays” come in to occupy the shadow circle of chairs around the security council. They almly set down as well. They supposedly had their meeting while Phil watched. Phil doesn’t talk much about this except that he pointed to it as his motivating factor of “identifying the alien threat”.

Phil had had enough. He may have cracked a bit long ago, though from his talks there is nothing about his personality that indicates he is anything except deadly serious, intelligent, and earnest, and quite willing to die for his country. He had just had enough. Phil was very socially conservative, a sexual bigot (he takes precious time in one of his talks to go on about Janet Reno and lesbianism, which was very enlightening more about Phil’s personality than anything about Janet), though he did care for his country, felt vaguely religious, and was attempting to warn all people equally worldwide.

He additionally, by sheer chance was speaking out already when the U.S. hit on the Murrah Building occurred, which had internal bombs. Phil oogled some information that one of his audience members handed him of the blast recorded on a seismograph. Phil said, “no p-wave, this indicates that some type of scalar weapon was used” in the Murrah building. So Phil is a link between 1993 and 1995, and a government whistleblower on both these U.S. state terror events. Then he dies.

Now that we have met Phil, I'll get to the point that sparked this little chat.

The quote above:

"despite the depth of this Whiskey Bar analysis, there’s still something missing, and that’s where the normal gets para. I know we’ve been dancing with unease around the issue of the upcoming Armageddon a lot of late, but there has to be more to it than what even the Whiskey Bar has given us. For example, where does the very public display of those giant triangles that Jeff wrote about fit into this insanity? Are they “ours” or are they something from very far away? Would the technology/intelligence behind these things allow us to blow ourselves up, as these assholes seem bent on doing? (Or are the neocons and their filthy military industrialist friends the “intelligence” behind the triangles?)"

Points Phil Schneider made:

1. There are alien triangles--there are lots of alien craft covered up and sometimes shot down by many nations of the world. The "We" of the black projects (whoever that "we" is on the planet, is not really known except that they seem to fit the classic profile of the internationalist drug dealers, presumably the Illuminati occult infiltration tentacles in various institutions, [google up “Svali” about that, or read here about an occult split personality inducing cult that has the perfect cover—they are well placed trauma induced multiples ) who have a hold on the military technology to defend the earth—or dominate it. Phil said as evidence of the “alien threat” (really just as evidence of technology particular given Von Braun’s comments above) that “we poked a few surgically smooth 25 mile wide laser/maser holes straight through some of the asteriods out there around the outer planets as demonstration to ourselves as well as to them.” Who knows what they told Phil about it, just to make them be good lap dogs. He describes a planetary network in place right now of triangulating particle accelerators that no one can see except where they are focused. It sounds identical to scalar electromagnetics issues talked about at by Tom Bearden, ex military black projects himself. Phil describes huge machines--weapons “barrels” about 150 miles long or more each in some places, which can either fire individually or--similar to the "Death Star" I guess, with Planet Earth as the Death Star—bringing together several beam effects to a focus on points distant from several ones simultaneously. The one theme Phil keeps repeating is “every year in public technology that goes by, means about 50 years in the black projects ahead, every year” . For those who doubt it, there was a story I read one about someone who had a high powered rifle sight handy and a triangle flew overhead slowly. He was smart enough to know that shooting a rifle at a triangle would probably be bad, so he just looked closely at it through the rifle sight. He was flabbergasted to read one hatch area that said. Read this full quote

National UFO Reporting Center Sighting Report
Occurred : 4/9/2005 19:09 (Entered as : 04/09/1905 19:09)
Reported: 4/13/2005 8:58:22 PM 20:58
Posted: 4/16/2005
Location: Sydney, TX
Shape: Triangle
Duration:3 minutes
English words identified on black triangular craft.

On 04-09-2005 I saw what I believe to be a UFO in Comanche County Texas at 9:12 local time. I offer some unique observations.

That evening, I was walking back to my motor home after wildboar hunting in an unpopulated area that I lease for hunting. The sky was clear; wind calm and the sun had just set. The sky was growing darker and darker blue straight above and stars were beginning to show. The sky was becoming black in the east. The setting sun was still keeping the western horizon illuminated and indirect lighting from the west made it possible to see my way without a flashlight.

I had my .243 Win. Remington 700 varmint rifle of which I am a quite an accomplished shooter. It is considered a "high-powered" rifle. I do quite a bit of bench rest competitive shooting with it as well as hunting. The rifle is set up with a high-tech "Leupold" optical sight, (scope) which is extremely accurate and highly specialized for great light gathering ability and performs best in low light conditions. It is not what is called a "night vision" sight. The scope magnifies the target image with great sharpness and definition and the magnification is adjustable from 4.5 to 14 times that of the natural image.

Upon my return to the motor home, I was tired after a long walk. I had carried quite a bit of equipment with me. I sat on a chair, took my eyeglasses off and toweled my face as it is already becoming hot in Texas. While I rested, without my glasses on, I noticed three very "unfocused" lights to my south and these lights were moving toward me. Immediately I put my glasses back on and saw what I believe was a UFO. (SEE ATTACHED ANIMATIONS) (a) Is the appearance of the vehicle without my glasses on and (b) is the view I had with my glasses on.) (I drew the images on my pc) The object approached from the south-southwest and while moving north-north east, passed almost directly overhead making no sound whatsoever. I estimate its altitude to be somewhere about 800 feet and its airspeed speed approximately 30 mph. It "floated" and did not fly as it obviously had insufficient airspeed to fly. (I am a Physicist & an FAA Licensed Pilot) While the sky was almost entirely black behind it, I could clearly see its underside as it was illuminated from the fading sunlight to the west. I estimate that the machine was about 60 feet wide and 80 feet long and 10 feet thick at the rear. Under its belly, there was a straight line going from its leading tip toward the center of the aft edge of the fuselage, which was perpendicular to its travel. This straight edge clearly showed its shape to be three-dimensional. The straight line showed that its belly was V-shaped, much like the hull of a speedboat. It was similar to the space shuttle as when viewed from in front and below the shuttle.

This machine was directly over me and I was alone in the middle of nowhere, therefore, I felt quite "uneasy." It made no threatening moves whatsoever, but I aimed my rifle at it and through the riflescope, which was set on 8.5 power, I could clearly see surface detail in explicit detail. The machine’s surface detail appeared to be covered with well-fitted tiles, much like the ceramic tiles used on the United States Space Shuttle. Then in the fading light, I noticed a distinct marking.

This marking was absolutely shocking, as I could actually read it! It was white print outlined in black on a red arrow pointing toward a rectangle of sorts. The arrow pointed at a something rectangular that I cannot define, but I clearly could read these three words, “EMERGENCY RELEASE and RESCUE.” In the same place were other words that appeared too fuzzy to read. I suspect that these words were “PULL FOR...” Instantly I realized that this was a military machine and no “flying saucer.” I felt much better as I knew that these were surface details that were intended to help rescue people access and then be able to remove the pilots on board in the event of a crash.

I kept the crosshairs on the center of the aircraft as it disappeared into the darkness but as I realized it was “one of ours” and it was not a threat to my own personal safety (I think) I put the rifle safety back on. I can see however that others may have “defensively” shot at it --- and that may have resulted in a crash of the vehicle.

I am somewhat “pissed off” at the military as while this area is directly under the Ft. Hood, Texas MOPA and practice flights are flown daily, really - they should not be taking chances like this where someone on the ground could actually be shooting the damned things down! I am sure that the military pilots (if it even had a crew…) were aware of my presence but they NEVER expected possible “offensive action” to be taken against them on this low level flight. The last thing I would have ever have wanted would have taken a “defensive” shot and then find American military pilots onboard in the wreckage.

Think how many light years the owners of the black projects are from "junk" they sell the rest of the world to set up their fake low scale wars to keep everybody else a political basket case as they sic them on each other.

2. There are U.S. triangles, and a whole lot else--back engineered over the past 40 years, only "perfected" by the 1980s. These are their new globalist toys, and a toy army at that literally alien to the rest of the planet though run by humans. Stealth technology is a back engineered amalgam from alien "alternate crystalline structures of metals" recipies that don't exist naturally anywhere, Phil says, though can be caused by tinkering with the natural crystallization process to get forms like “isohedral crystalline metals” .Phil even showed a physical sample of a really bizarre looking metal with little clumps of simultaneously random oriented isosceles triangles all interlocked against each other. Phil said some metals he worked with withstand 10 times the heat of the sun on average. HE had a piece of one. He additionally said that after the Gulf War One “dry run” using the black operations back engineered alien crafts on humans in Iraq in 1990-1, one interesting characteristic of some of the radar invisible black smooth planes was that they heat up by friction or electromagnetism or whatever (he didn’t explain this clearly) that when they land, they will “drip” metal bits for a while onto the tarmac. Phil shows some of these “drips” he collected as souvenirs off some of the black projects tarmacs he had.

Phil describes several types of back engineered craft. He seemed proud of all this technology though disgusted with the secrecy which he said had created a “technocracy…like feudalism…feudal political structures are coming back like gangbusters due to secret technology and secret powers…I think we can do better.” And Phil thought that the aliens were all part of the global N W O.

However for Von Braun, he said there's really no alien threat unless they want it for some military consolidation justification. Who remembers Reagan’s odd 1980s remark that along the lines of “wow, you know if we had some kind of alien threat, that would bring all the people’s of the world together and we would have world peace.”

And let’s remember all the other “wishful N W O” thinking or otherwise about the “alien threat” so quoted or joyfully utilized:

Major Gordon Cooper to the United Nations: "I believe that these extra-terrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets... Most astronauts were reluctant to discuss UFOs." "I did have occasion in 1951 to have two days of observation of many flights of them, of different sizes, flying in fighter formation, generally from east to west over Europe."

The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday [with fascist internal tyranny intent…. Of course] make a common front against attack by people from other planets."
General Douglas MacArthur- Oct. 8, 1955
(From "Above Top Secret" by Timothy Good)

"I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth." President Harry S. Truman, 1950.

"In the firm belief that the American public deserves a better explanation than that thus far given by the Air Force, I strongly recommend that there be a committee investigation of the UFO phenomena. I think we owe it to the people to establish credibility regarding UFOs, and to produce the greatest possible enlightenment of the subject." .. President Gerald Ford (during his years as a US Congressman).

"If I become President, I'll make every piece of information this country has about UFO sightings available to the public and scientists. I am convinced that UFOs exist because I have seen one." President Jimmy Carter during his Presidential campaign.

And from the Gorby-Reagan pas a deux:

“With our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. I occasionally think how quickly our differences, worldwide, would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world." Former President Ronald Reagan, while sharing the stage with former Russian leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, 1988.

The operative phrase I think is “sharing the stage” here. After all it was the Ford Foundation egghead that told that investigator in the 1960s that the purpose of his cultural steering through the Ford Foundation funds was as he was ordered “to make culture in the U.S. increasingly capable of being merged with the Soviet Union.” [cite: The Naked Capitalist]

However, Werner Von Braun with tears in his eyes, kept insisting “alien threat” was going to be a well rehearsed lie. He said the same thing earnestly on his deathbed to his closest confident Rosin

Von Braun said that basically, paraphrasing "if they ever tell you, my dear, that the aliens are attacking, it will be a lie. They will use this lie to consolidate global tyranny and you must stop them and stop weaponization of space"—which would presumably be key to taking over the planet.

The co-conspirator and accessory after in the JFK assassination, President Johnson, loved the idea of space based weapons. Johnson publicly equated weaponization of space in the 1960s with taking over the planet by a global government.

President Johnson after murdering Kennedy and taking charge: “Control of space means control of the world. From space the masters of infinity would have the power to control the earth’s weather, to cause drought and flood, to change the tides, and raise the levels of the sea, to divert the Gulf Stream and to change the climates to frigid. There is something more important than the ultimate weapon. And that is the ultimate position. The position of total control over Earth that lies somewhere in outer space.”

Johnson of course was known as the “Senator from Brown and Root” (now part of Halliburton military industrial complex empire), before his “elevation” to the Presidency after the Bush clique with his cover up help, murdered Kennedy and took over the United States—which is the straight path to the neocons now from then.

As quoted above, another interesting point is that this female confident of Von Braun said that she was in on some of these top level war planning meetings held decades in advance, where by 1977, they were calmly discussing "the need to have a war in the Persian Gulf around the start of the 1990s." Boom. There is Bush who sends April Glaspie. Bush helps them out by baiting Saddam. Bush Senior’s increasingly rapid climb up the greasy pole was his participation in the Kennedy assassination, because they are really digging at the bottom of the barrow now, with most of these people getting so old and decrepit that it’s going to come out soon I expect. The conspirators are unable to live forever and it is only their living that holds the Kennedy assassination and the march to global government drive of war by the neocon drug lording weapons sales empire and the beachhead of Israel, established especially to help instigate WWIII. Johnson almost had a WWII war in the middle east like he wanted over the USS Liberty bombing by Israel that he let occur by recalling the U.S. Air Force protection wing that was rushed out to help. As the generals reported Johnson screaming down the phone, “I want that god-damned ship going to the bottom!” These are your leaders, folks. Maybe being part of an alien empire would be a better plan than under a human global government…. Ho hum.

Let's seriously drop the last bit of homocentric universe theory. That went out the window with the "earth as the center of the universe" ok? Still it hangs on by its fingernails through sheer will of denial. It is only an indirect relic since we no longer believe the earth is the center of the universe, though it is surprising how many people still desperately cling to a hot DeForrest Kelly emotionalism that "damn it, Jim! we just have to be the only intelligent life in the galaxy! Those aliens are just Hollywood set props and psyops! I want to believe that Jim, don’t take that from me, by beaming me down or up anywhere! Let me stay on the ship! I don’t know what to do with all that green blood anyway!"

I think the earthy (no pun intended) overly emotional reaction along the lines of such Deforrest Kellyisms is really a huge conceit, on the face of it, or even a huge fear. So do we "trust" the Von Braun wing? Nothing to fear he says--except from the humans. Trust him as well that he wasn’t a Nazi or that Paperclip was all overblown. They were internationalists and “space visionaries.” Or do we trust the Phil wing about the “alien threat”?

Or do we realize that’s it’s a complicated universe of perhaps a dozen or more species equally interested in the earth for their own purposes or amusement or aid—some of them may have been here long before and when they got back they saw all these humans all over the place and were miffed. If you are ready for it (and not well documented though how do you “document” something like this), read Blue Blood, True Blood: Conflict and Creation, by Peter Moon—formerly of the Montauk project which is all keyed into this global governmental weaponization of space mind control strategy that we see coalescing here.

Back to Phil, who worked with these alien craft on a daily basis as a black budget corporate aerospace engineer.

Connecting that Werner Von Braun quote from his female confident )who said that she was in on a meeting where the Gulf WAr was planned out in detail 20 years in advance), comparing it to Phil's "tekky" information about the Gulf War:

Phil Schneider said that the whole Gulf War I under George H. W. Bush in 1990-1 was "war gamed" as a test demonstration for the globalists for triangle and other alien back engineered craft technology that the U.S.--and other cooperating occult linked governments--wanted to see in action that they had in their lader from the late 1970s and early 1980s.

3. Phil said he was in on some of the financial scale of what was going on. The money going into building this "parallel military industrial complex" comes directly from the international drug trades that are so close to the Bush/Clinton NWO regime. It's about half a trillion dollars off the books EVERY YEAR. That's more than the U.S. spends. That makes the NWO's black budget military industrial complex the largest military power on the planet right now.

Phil felt that it was a plan for world domination--that will be unleashed in league with a particular “alien threat” he thought. Perhaps it will, though only for the media requirements of it. I have no comment obviously on that, nor do I think we are in any position to make up our minds about what they might have told Phil (I expect) to get him motivated earlier in his career.

What does come across is that Phil is humorously (a funny term) a “human supremacist” who dislikes all aliens I expect mostly due to his previous personal experiences where one branch of them attempted to kill him in what has esoterically been known as the "Dulce Wars" misunderstanding/mutual hostility between the U.S. government Department of Defense and a deep underground base that was given for the aliens so they would cough up more tech presents. Another reason for Phil hating the aliens is that he is disgusted that he was lied to that the U.S. government gave permission for several alien species to take humans for open experiments. This little line item in the "Treaty of Greada" (the name, according to Phil, unauthorized by Congress—in other words the parallel government is innately set up embedded in the alien issue and in a “Constitutional suspension” area for everything it does, kept away from the legislatures and even the other branches of government). Phil says that the “Treaty of Greada” was widely abused hundreds of times larger than was expected for this human sampling. He says that some alien species (it is unclear whehether he only knows one or knows several) says that “they get high off our adrenalchrome….it’s like a drug to them, caused by a biological effect of our fear in our blood.” Mostly the U.S. in the 1950s, faced with this unknown alien issue, Phil said in his interpretation that the illegal treaty of the Treaty of Greada was signed to buy time “to get up to galaxy par" amongst other off-planet dangers. We seem to be at that right now on the one hand. Though on the other hand we have the Von Brauns who say “they’re just rattling your cage, the fake alien threat is the most useful tool the human politicians have ever invented or ever planned to use on us.”

4. Related to what Phil increasingly interpreted as a global overthrow NWO plan, Phil said that there were around 1,4000 DUMBs (more military jargon, "Deep Underground Military Bases") all over the world, with "at least two in each of the 50 states"

Phil left his black projects life because he wanted to warn everyone that the U.S. government was employing state terrorism to turn the U.S. into a police state. He in his mind tied it into the “alien threat” from his black oprations world, which might be a motivational tool. Von Braun describes the “Soviet threat” before as a sham, a mere motivational tool for getting a willing hierarchy of servants to work on global government issues both in the United States, and inversely (where the Russians were told of the “U.S. threat” though that was a lie as well. This is particularly clear he is right because of all the documentation by two of Antony Sutton’s books like _The Best Enemy Money Can Buy (about U.S. funding the Soviets in the Vietnam war), or Wall Street and the Soviet Union (about a certain clique of financial internationalists from New York, and other Euoropean financial dynasties arranged the whole Bolshevik coup d’etat to seize Russia and work on large scale “population management” as an experimental plot for 70 years or so.

To make a long story short, he warned a bit, they attempted to re-recruit Phil, and when he refused, he was taken out.

What set Phil off really was this combination of alien experiments on humans allowed by the U.S. since the 1950s, the near death fight that almost killed Phil in the "Dulce Wars" himself, topped off with all the fact that Phil kept seeing the U.S. working with the aliens toward what he considered a global overthrow/depopulation plan. He never really links up this theory of his to information I will have to say, though he is throroughly documented. I think that the former can be interpreted more along the lines of his interpretive framework that "explains to the world" his rationale for outing all the more detailed tekky things he knew because he thought it was sabotaging (and it was, they said--as they attempted to get Phil to shut up and "rehire him for $1 million dollars a year in retirement/severance pay" to shut up). I wanted to separate the tekky stuff from Phil's global world theory stuff, and make it clear that the former is documented and believable from Phil, though the latter may be believable, it is undocumented from Phil's talks. That's all.

Aren't spurned right wingers like Phil, who thought he was doing everything for God And Country more self-righteous than any leftie, when the right wing zealots finally get it into their head they have been fooled? (Another serious "right wing to left wing conversion" is Steve Kangas (with titles like The Origins of the Overclass, who wrote all those history articles under "Liberalism Resurgent" moniker. Then he has some kind of high political threat run in with Scaife familiy/clan and gets himself "suicided". The pacifist worriedly buys a gun in his last days, attempts to track down Scaife and talk to him, seems to fail to, then "suicides" himself (i.e, is murdered, presumably by the Scaife linked groups). Imagine that.

The congenital left--as opposed to these "satori conversion left" like some rightwingers that are shocked into extreme radicalism the rest of their lives--already know that much of what passes for public consumption is a lie. They know that people get fooled everyday and get used to it. However, when some "once true believer" rightwingers get a different picture, it blow their mind. Their personality and actions seriously may change, like Steve Kangas or Phil Schneider.

One interesting tidbit about 9-11:

After the failed WTC 1993 basement explosion, Phil said he was called in to to do a "building performance study" for SPC. That is Systems Planning Corporation/Tri-Data, which is the real background corporation that animates the proscenium arch of FEMA.

Phil fails to say this, though the head of SPC at that moment was later 9-11 Pentagon Comptroller--placed into position months before 9-11: Dov Zackheim, CEO, Systems Planning Corporation in 1993. Phil does his top secret “what the hell went wrong with our state terror” study, funded by SPC/Tri-data.

Then once he learns all about the WTCs, and the explosions in the basement, he sees that there was a lot more going on than a van full of explosives given to the patsies by the FBI in 1993. Phil has no one to tell, in his top secret black projects job, that from his knowledge of explosion signatures, the real explosion of 1993 WTC hit that was most damaging to the basement was of a, he said, I quote, a "construction micronuclear device, and they are only housed in one place, Mathers Air Force Base". He talks about the singular characteristic of "steel extrusion, up to six feet" pulled out like taffy at the core of the explosion and away from the blast. Construction type micronukes are mostly radiologically clean--from what I understand about it only the (deadly though short term) alpha instead of the more deadly "dirty" radiation wavelengths.

Phil knows that the U.S. blew up the WTC in 1993, and he writes his secret report in 1993. The same year, he is called into a "top room" he said in the security establishment of the U.S, and they ask him point blank if he would perfect now the destruction of the WTCs with the "need to know" information that he has gained about the building architecture as well as how limited the micronuke explosion effect was.

Phil attempts to leave the room right there. They get in his way. Phil threatens to assault them. They get out of the way. Phil within weeks wants to quit, retire, anything. They refuse.

Righteously angry more than scared, and knowing that he is dying of cancer, probably all contribute toward him escaping under false pretenses and never coming back to Groom Lake.

He talks privately for a while, then at larger and larger venues for about half a year before he is "silenced." The book he promised was "delivered to the printers last week" never appears. His whole apartment, alien technological, alien metal signatures, the "alternative periodic table of the elements" with the additional 20 or more that they only let out only on a "need to know basis", as well as the "need to know basis" alternative crystalline structures of matter that are utilized in many alien craft that allow them such punishing high performance capacities, all vanish.

It seems he was garroted in his Portland, Oregon apartment, and it was all cleaned out by persons unknown.

His ex-wife was never allowed to identify or view the body however, or verify the garrote death theory, though the body supposedly was in a state of extreme decay as he had been dead for about a week before anyone knew.

More information at, where you can buy the videos on CD.

8/07/2006 02:41:00 AM  
Blogger ghostieo said...

I think bloody revolution r o c k in the u s a is the only answer. But who will lead it and who will join? I'll be the first to admit I'm a spoiled American baby who couldn't survive the day after. I don't know anything about radiation, I don't know any survival techniques. I can't grow or catch food. I can't even stand outside in the 107 degree heat for 2 minutes without scrambling to get back in the AC. Have you people seen Threads? It's the BBC's version of The Day After. If that day comes and I'm unlucky enough NOT to be va-poo-rized, I'm gonna put a bullet up my snout.

8/07/2006 03:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i remember reading some reaserch (sorry it was a while back so can't remember where)that stated that if television was off the air for 3 days most western countrys would begin civil unrest and ulimatlty civil war why?-because people would actually be able to think..... and we couldn't have that could we

8/07/2006 04:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"i remember reading some reaserch (sorry it was a while back so can't remember where)that stated that if television was off the air for 3 days most western countrys would begin civil unrest and ulimatlty civil war why?-because people would actually be able to think..... and we couldn't have that could we"

Balzac had a similar quip about Paris perpetual amusement and entertainment in the 1830s onward. He said that if all the theaters were shut down there would be a revolution in a fortnight.

Though....hey! I'm missing Anna Anna Anna Nicole! Sorry guys got to watch it!

8/07/2006 06:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that guy who made ET into a cuddly plush toy

ET actually began development as a horror movie with a family under seige in an isolated house, surrounded by a group of evil flesheating extraterrestrials. One of the less evil ETs befriends the young boy in the family, and this subplot was deemed more interesting + developed into ET as we know it, while the rest of the premise eventually became the movie 'Poltergeist'

(Just some movie trivia for you :) ...and a reminder that films come about in a manner more complex than a bigshot director sitting down in an evil boardroom with the cia and saying "what do we want to discredit this summer then?" :P )

8/07/2006 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Often times, the Internet Chat Community, which includes the so-called "Blogoshere," mimics the social paradigm it so much rages against.

I post here quite frequently, and rarely am I ever ackowledged. If I am acknowledged, it is generally in a negative light. I feel I have added valuable insight with my comments, yet it is as though I'm talking to an indifferent audience.

I can say the same thing as Mr. Wells, on occasion, and I can say it with equal penmanship and pinache, but it will go completely ignored, or so it seems. It reminds me of the Fed-Ex Commercial where the dumpy, frumpy unspectacular guy comes up with the idea on how to cut costs by using Fed-Ex On-Line Shipping, and he is ignored by the room full of Sychophantic Butt Fucks. Moments later, the well-groomed, and well-presented Corporate Catamyte says the same thing, but more resolutely and assertively, and the room breaks out in adulation, even though it wasn't his idea. I love that commercial, because I deal with that every day in Corporate America, and it saddens me that the same behavior transfers to The Internet and discussion sites that one would think would hold such behavior in contempt.

Until we comes to grips with the most nuanced effects of our conditioning, folks, we can never contemplate changing a God Damned thing.

Now, as part of your operative conditioning, I fully expect I will be brutally attacked for my opinion.....and yet, in the same breath, those who will chastise me, and ridicule me, will assert they are distinct from the general population.


8/07/2006 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Got some great deals. The store owner gave me great prices for what he called 'your private 911 sale.' Ain't capitalism grand?

Even when it's burning, that is?

Hey, Richard. Have you ever seen the movie, Sexy Beast? If not, I highly suggest it. Ben Kingsley is an absolute metaphor for Capitalism, and your comment "even when it's burning" helped reinforce that assessment for me. It took an awful lot to kill that son-of-a-bitch, and to the very end, with blood pouring from every orafice of his body, he continued to grind the heel of his boot into the rebelling psyches of his former supplicants.

8/07/2006 08:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

See discusion thread: Dobbs lets 'er rip against the Dems..

“Hamilton is a Democrat, it should be noted, because if your wiring isn't up to code for these days that still matters.”

Why would it matter? Where were the democrats when the 2k election was being stolen?! Did they press the issue? Did they explore every avenue and insist on justice? Again in 2004? Kerry, Gore, Dean; are they prepared to lead us out of the woods? Are they prepared to set history back on a truer path? How many dems voted for the patriot act/its renewal? The war? We derided Chomsky and other “leftgate keepers” for not attacking the mainstream idiom of 9/11 or JFK assassination, but we are to give dems a free pass because they represent the only opposition to the now fascist nationalist republicans?!

That was a cheap shot Jeff, and I don’t care for it. Let it be known that I have never voted for a republican and don’t plan on doing so ever. But to place my faith in a party because it is the winner by default isn’t exactly a magnanimous victory.


8/07/2006 08:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Shrub, sorry, never saw sexy beast. I rarely if ever watch tv anymore unless it's on at work. If you stick me in a room with a tv & a wall to stare at, I'll choose staring at the wall rather than the tv. I've never seen Survivor or American Idol,the Sopranos, 24, Lost, V for Vendetta, etc etc.Occassionally I rent a movie though so I'll put it on my list.

Here's my take on halfwit America for Aug. 7, 2006. I just came from a 7 am union meeting where we voted on whether to strike or not. The facility is offering a 3% raise with a wage re-opener for every year of a 6 year contract, which means that, most likely, we'll get 3% every year. The union members want a 2 dollar an hour raise now which will mean, from past experience, that it won't include the yearly wage re-opener. It will be $2 & that will be it.
Now, if you do the math, $2 spread over 6 years works out to about 3% per year.So i just sat in a room with a group of Americans who are so bloody stupid that they want to strike to force management to give us what they're offering anyway.

So it shouldn't be all that amazing that the complexities of the current world situation just VROOOOOOOOOOOM right over their heads.

I also wouldn't look for that to change any time soon.

Oh yeah, don't lose heart bud, some of us read your ideas & actually think about them too.

8/07/2006 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Bird in the Hand:

3% Six years from now is not 3% at all. In order to calculate what it really is you have to discount its present value by amortizing the rate of inflation.

If inflation is running at about 5%, then that 3% per year is really negative, ie. MINUS 2% which, compounded over 6 years is an even worse deal. So it's no raise at all, but actually a pay cut.

Not to mention the fact that management could always cry "poor" and try to reneg even on that deal.

Any intelligent person would demand the 2 dollar raise now, and try to get a better job before that extra 2 dollars no longer represents a living wage, assuming that it does now.


8/07/2006 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rich about your workmates...

Perhaps they want the two bucks now, cos they want it now and don't trust 70 cents per hour every year. Plus why wait till next year when prices are rising now.

I dunno maybe I didn't read your thing right, or misunderstood it or whatever. I come from an old union family tho, so I get picky about details like that.

i guess your meeting with the nurse really hits the nail on the head tho.

And I don't want to get you into thinking about watching tv and videos that stuff can rot your brain. But if you want a good post nuclear Armageddon film, or if anyone else does. Watch "Smoke Em if ya got em." Its about the party to end all parties.

Shrub I haven't seen sexy beast either, but I have seen a tv show about it or something. It looked good. ben kingsley is awesome, the same guy who played Ghandi.

I like the way you liken western capitalism to that bloke. I know guys like him. Kind of.

Scary people.

Unlike the people Mike ventura wrote about during Gulf war one.

He was in, get this, Palestine arkansas. (BTW Why is Arkansas spelt the same as Kansas but when you say Arkansas you dont pronounce the kansas Kansas. An Kansas isn't called kansas. its called Kansas, and pronounced the same way.

Maybe thats why america is in the non rumsfeldian sense - up shit creek in a barbed wire canoe.)

Anyway back to ventura

Where you from in california?
LA?! Thats where its all happening.

Venturas response is to think "is he kidding me?"


"Sometimes i think this is the most dangerous feeling in America. To say its all happening somewhere else is to say nothing is happening where you are. You are not a citizen. you are barely even a resident. You are something by the side of the road. If a television crew comes to (towen) you know all the right words to say about how important family and flag and church are in your community, but what you REALLY think is that everything important happens somewhere else."

The Burner of Eden - A last letter to the war. March 15 1991.

Glad I live in weirdsville. its the centre of the universe, and where its all happening. Very slowly.

(Its not whistler but you are always welcome to stop by for a beer and a feed shrub.)

8/07/2006 11:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah I meant what anonymous actually said coherently.

8/07/2006 11:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(Its not whistler but you are always welcome to stop by for a beer and a feed shrub.)

I say we change the venue to your neck of the woods. I'd be honored to sit down for a beer, or two, or three......or ten, with you, Mate. We'd have one hell of a time....I know that.

The Rigorous Intuition outing would be a blast. Can you imagine Mojo Filter Shrooming? I know Syn Diesel would be fun.....and so would all the spooks who post to and/or monitor this site......and believe me, they do.

I hear you about Arkansas and Kansas. I feel the same way about Illinois. I just call it Illah Noise. It pisses people off to no end. They have to correct me and say the "s" is silent......and I invariably laugh in their faces.

Stay Between The Lines.

By the way, how's the Tooth? I've had my fair share of dental issues, so I can empathize. I cringe at the term Root Canal.

8/07/2006 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a clue as to why the dems nary raised a feeble protest:

Pro-Israel PAC contributions:

Look up your reps and see their price to sell out Americans in favor of a foreign entity. "Money for nothing and the chicks are free..."

8/07/2006 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Shrubageddon,

Your contributions are extremely well received and valuable. You keep the thread moving and your responses bump the conversation up a notch or two. I appreciate your intelligence and insight.

8/07/2006 11:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have you noticed that when Hezbollah bombs Israel, the munitions they use have to be given a name, but the same is not so when Israel bombs Lebanon? I have.

It's always "Hezbollah fired 200 KATUSHA rockets today into Haifa killing several ants and some stubborn bacteria clinging to a nasty pile of dog shit."

I wonder why?

Could it have anything to do with the fact that what Israel is firing and dropping was Made In America (about the only thing, these days) by the likes of Lockeed-Martin? I think so, and we wouldn't want to annouce that too loudly. IMHO, they could shout it from the fuckin rooftops, and it wouldn't matter one Ray Liotta, because, as Richard mentioned, American Numbnuts can't even figure a raise for themselves properly, let alone nuanced propaganda.

8/07/2006 12:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Hey Shrubageddon,

Your contributions are extremely well received and valuable. You keep the thread moving and your responses bump the conversation up a notch or two. I appreciate your intelligence and insight.

Thank you, very much. It means a lot to me.

8/07/2006 12:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To anon 10:44:

I work for a non-profit that is funded by the state. Every year the state allocates a certain percentage for a wage increase which, traditionally has been about 3 %, but there are years when it is more. Without a yearly wage re-opener we have zero access to that money.

Management also wants to alter our healthcare, giving us more out of pocket expense. They backed off on this provided we sign. I guarantee that if they win 2 dollars an hour now, both the yearly wage re-opener will go & they will fuck with our healthcare. I also guarantee that the union membership won't care because they will see the 2 dollars an hour raise & nothing else &, in the end, they will lose. The amount of healthcare increase alone will negate the 2 dollars right now.Oh, I should also mention that the majority want 2 dollars but would settle for $1 which is an even worse deal.

We're not talking IBM here. There aren't any profits being kept from us. This is based on an allocated state budget that could be changed if the union would actually get off its ass & approach Harrisburg. Of course, that would require them to organize beyond the '1 month before the contract expires' plan they've been following forever. They are under the way mistaken notion that they can just stomp their feet & whine & money will magically appear from the ether.

I walked the picket line 6 years ago pal. We did win 2 bucks an hour, but there was a whole list of shit they offered in place of an upfront wage increase that went right out the motherfucking window when the 2 bucks flew in. There were also state increases that went elsewhere because we agreed to a certain wage & we relinquished any say we may have had by signing.

I should also mention that the facility pays about 3 dollars more than any equivalent facility in this area. As far as looking for that magical other job, the majority of the workforce at this facility are from West Virginia & Ohio. They commute so far primarily because this job pays way better than anything in their area.

I should also point out that the folk who work here are amazing whiners who spend most of their time here snitching on each other to management. These folk, for the most part, can't stick together on a day to day basis, but I'm supposed to believe in this brotherhood shit, huh?

I should also point that last week we were scheduled to leaflet the community, to 'raise awareness about the union's struggle.'
You know who showed?
That was it.
It was also my day off, so it required an hour ride into Pgh. to drop off my kids at my mom's & then another 1/2 hour ride back to the facility. People working that day could have driven for 60 seconds & they would have been at the meeting area.
No one bothered.

Bottom line pal, these folk are short-sighted yoo-hoos who will fold at the teensiest bit of pressure. Then management will know exactly how wiltingly weak this union is.
At least if we sign now, we can maintain the illusion of strength for another 6 years.

8/07/2006 12:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robert Parry on Lee Hamilton:

"So this was what was happening by the Summer of '86, when Barger and I finally did
a story - we had 24 sources by this point. It wasn't like two sources, or three sources,
we were up to 24 and we did this story in June of '86 where we laid a lot of it out.
And finally Congress - which had been very afraid of touching this - the democrats were
extremely timid - finally Lee Hamilton, who was then Chairman of the Senate Intelligence
Committee takes our little story with the rest of the Intelligence Committee over to the
White House and they sit down with Ollie North and they say, "Colonel North - we have
this story that says you're doing these things which are kind of illegal, uh, what about it?"
He said, "It's not true," they said "Thank you," and they went back to Capitol Hill. And I
get a call from one of Hamilton's aides, and I'll never forget this, because it was probably
my worst moment in the whole Iran Contra Scandal - he tells me that Lee Hamilton has
looked into my story, and he had a choice between believing these honorable men at the
White House or my sources and it wasn't a close call."

It's also nice to see that the military is finding 'a few good men.'

And where is it that the Vice Lords meet the Aryan Nation? Why, in Baghdad, of course — where, in one of the less obvious unanticipated consequences of W’s disastrous war, potential domestic terrorists and “army of one” nutjobs are getting top-notch weapons instruction and plenty of target practice. It’s sure to come in handy when they get home.

With the military unable to meet recruitment goals for an unpopular war, gangbangers and white supremacists are having a far easier time getting “moral waivers” to enlist, according to a recent report by the Southern Poverty Law Center called “A Few Bad Men,” as well as an investigative series in the Chicago Sun-Times in May. The upshot: a future compromised in yet another way, as we train and further desensitize the psychologically fragile and psychotically embittered.

Some of them, baptized in hellfire, could, like Timothy McVeigh, John Allen Muhammad and a long list of others, turn around and bite us. Bush’s war to promote terror — the perfect self-sustaining fear machine — isn’t just generating an endless supply of hardened enemies beyond our borders. It is also creating the conditions of social breakdown and psychological blowback within our borders. Guess what? Under Plan Bush, we’ll never be safe.

Among the costs of mobilizing for and waging war — even a “good war,” with huge popular support — is a general cheapening of human life. “You know, guys like that ain’t got no manhood left anyway. So it’s a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them,” Lt. Gen. James Mattis famously blurted out about the Iraqis during a panel discussion in San Diego a year and a half ago, to much applause from couch-potato warriors everywhere.

Such glibness notwithstanding, the actual desensitization process the military must employ to turn raw recruits into killers is serious and often irreversible. David Grossman, a lieutenant colonel, psychologist and author of, among other works, “On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society,” has researched the evolution of U.S. military training since World War II. In that war, he has noted, recruits’ natural aversion to killing human beings was short-circuited by such techniques as replacing bull’s-eye targets with human figures during marksmanship training. The process of “disengagement” is now a standard part of basic training.

Citing Grossman’s studies, Doug Saunders wrote in the Toronto Globe & Mail: “Some observers believe this (the desensitization process) may be why mass murders have become far more common in the past 50 years.”

Saunders pointed out that some of the most high-profile mass murderers and serial killers were vets, including McVeigh and D.C.-area sniper Muhammad, as well as Jeffrey Dahmer, David (“Son of Sam”) Berkowitz and Charles Whitman (who killed 15 people and injured 31 from atop a tower in Austin, Texas, in 1966).

The romanticization of war and militarism within the general culture — the proliferation of “point and shoot” video games, for instance, along with formula revenge-motivated movie and TV violence — expand the “disengagement training” to non-vets, contributing, along with plentiful handgun availability, to a state of domestic insecurity far more serious than the threat of outside terror that Bush has turned into his political meal ticket.

8/07/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Richard is right about the attention/response thing: many more people read the comments than care to “get involved” to the point of expressing themselves. Another thing to keep in mind is that beyond the usual casual indifference, silence is, after all, a form of approbation. When people do speak out, it’s normally either to criticize what someone else has said or to try to put their own, unrelated thoughts into words. When you don’t hear anything, I would take that as a good sign, lonely though it might seem.

This whole question of response and community is quite interesting to me. I’ve been dropping in to read Jeff’s stuff here for a year or so, but I never joined in myself until recently because I was already involved in the comment community at ICH, where things moved much more quickly. At ICH ( the owner, Tom Feeley, posts news and essays two and three times a day, so that the comments fields have the life span of a fruit fly, despite which we managed to develop some amazing discussions which were of the classic dialectical pattern of thesis/antithesis and (occasional) synthesis. Sadly, it all fell apart under the onslaught of determined agents of misdirection. Tom felt so much pressure from his server and several monitoring agencies that he had to repeatedly close the fields down (hate speech, incitements to violence, etc.) The regulars pretty much scattered and now if you go there, it’s not much more than rabid dogs barking at each other. To my great delight, when I finally came back here and read more than Jeff’s spark(l)ing mind therapies, I found a comment field which was even more developed than at ICH. You guys are smart, funny, skeptical, and you don't take yourselves so seriously that you can't laugh at yourselves.

Recently I've noticed an deviation from this norm, in the form of carping voices which add nothing of their own but choose instead only to deprecate and depress. Ironically, the complaints leveled at the regular posters seem to come from both sides. The first one I cite here finds fault with the level of acrimony and discord:

RollickHooper said...
This is what Rigorous Intuition does best--muddies the water until everyone logs off with their own opinions and prejudices intact, no closer than they were to consensus even on what the facts are.I say "Rigorous Intuition" instead of "Jeff Wells" because it is primarily in the comments section that facts and fictions blur together--Jeff only provides the water and the dirt--
11:29 PM

While the second one whines at our shallow harmoninzing, although he seems to single me out in particular because I made the apparent mistake of finding his self-righteousness amusing:

Anonymous said...
In the final analysis, RI is nothing but a circle jerk.And Iridescent Cuttlefish is its chief wanker.Those who come here trying to make honest, incisive statements, or even simply ask important or relevant questions, are shut down by the blather of Shrubageddon, or the useless yammering of Jules and Jon, or the near psychotic semi-literate solipsistic ramblings of Sounder. Then Starroute will chime in with one of her Rodney King "can't we all get along?" attempts and closure and re-framing.It's a classic disinformation bait and switch. Look the at the Jeff's posts from a year or two ago. They were longer and more "informative", and seemed to promise that there was actually a goal of uncovering some aspects of literal truth as to the "who did what to whom and why" underlying current and recent historical events.But that was never the point. All disinformation begins with some form of truth telling or truth seeking. But then it deviates of course and off kilter.Look now how RI and the discussions have all morphed into perenially tangential discussions about pie in the sky bullshit like "the eschaton or singularity of future free energy in 2012" or some other nonsensical bullshit, when relatively free energy exists in the here and now, and has done for decades, in the form of solar and wind for the home power generating set.That is just one small example of the disconnect between the alleged promise of RI and the diversions that it continually delivers, and predictably so.RI is a cock teasing whore who takes your time, if not your money (and which is more valuable?), then sends you off to a circle jerk in an echo chamber full of half wits.But that's just my ho.Ho.
6:43 PM

Then there's another comment on the fields here which offers lavish praise for the community here being neither of the above:

cheeba said...
Its so weird to be distracted by comment blogs like the Guardian's "Comment is Free" and then return to RigInt. The contrast is astonishing. Does everyone realise how unusual it is to have a place to go where A) comments address the post in question, and not what the commenter would most like/hate to have been said, and B) where people actually READ each others' posts and add, comment and critique each other in a polite and constructive manner?

Looking all three of these "evaluations," it seems to me that while the last one is the nicest, and, I think, the most accurate, none of them is a productive comment, since they don't add anything to any discussion; they're all just one form of "I do/don't like this!" Further, while I can understand the person wanting to say thanks for the good time, I have to wonder about the motives of the people who simply complain about the writers here who attempt to join Jeff in his pursuit of understanding what the hell is going on around us...not that I'm suspicious by nature, but I have witnessed good things coming to bad ends.

8/07/2006 01:29:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Shrubageddon said...
Have you noticed that when Hezbollah bombs Israel, the munitions they use have to be given a name, but the same is not so when Israel bombs Lebanon? I have.

I don't think they want to talk about phosphorous.. It's interesting that ball bearings don't take down infrastructure. I wonder who benefits from refugee-ism?

8/07/2006 01:50:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Thanks, Anonymous, for the entertaining and dutifully frightening tale. The Werner von Braun stuff I’ve seen in many different contexts, most recently in the discussions as to Nick Cook’s treatment of him, Schoenberg and the whole Nazi black ops history, but I still find his conversion from sincere Nazi (he joined the Party well before he had to in order to safeguard his job and status) to genuine humanitarian somewhat spongy. The Phil Schneider saga was great, although I also have trouble believing the whole Dulce story, as it invariably leads to claims of Nazi colonies surviving under the ice at the Antartic (guess we’ll be seeing them soon) and on the dark side of the moon. I don’t really have much trouble with the black ops technology stuff, except for a certain logical inconsistency.

In the all the versions I’ve heard, there are good and bad aliens, and the good ones can’t help us due to some non-intervention ethics (when do we as a species develop those?), but this is exactly where the logic gets a little crumbly. If, on the one hand, we have gained, by whatever means, access to ‘forbidden’ technologies, then isn’t sitting back with your green hands tied by ethical ropes while psychopathic miscreants (of whatever species) use those technologies to mislead, manipulate and in large measure murder the authentically indigenous, technologically challenged earthlings just a bit too much like making damn sure the barn door is locked after the horses are running off into the night trying to shield their terror-filled eyes from those who would whip them. What about the rest of us, crying naked on dawn’s highway bleeding, as these ghosts crowd our fragile egg-shell minds? (Some rock stars are visionaries, regardless of the circus they sold their souls to play for.)

The other thing that bothers me about these scenarios is why the powerful ones even have to bother with pretexts for wars and culling operations? Why don’t they just take the 144,000 they want to save offworld for a nice weekend while they cleanse the planet? Would they miss all the Cheney, Shrub and Rummy jokes? Or can they only get their rocks off on the suffering if they’re there to witness it? Maybe the “logic” of what’s going on will always elude me, but that doesn’t break me of the conviction that there are still missing pieces…

8/07/2006 02:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perhaps they just can't believe how incredibly stupid we are a la union meetings scrambling for crumbs while letting the pie go to rot.

1stPTB: C'mon, let's go. The space
ship is ready for blast off.

2ndPTB: Okay, okay! Wait just a
second - I want to watch
those morons and see if
they get it this one last
time. I mean, I left so
many blantant clues! I've
$50. riding on their
finally "getting" it this
last time.

1stPTB: You know, G., that's what
you said last time. You
really seem to have a
problem - don't you realize
that they're never going to
"get" it!!!

8/07/2006 02:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd hate to be known as the cosmic cheerleader of the group, or the can't-we-all-just-get-along person -- so let me explain just a bit where I'm coming from.

I'm old enough that my worldview was largely formed by the impact of the Cuban missile crisis -- an event that was in its way even more influential than the Kennedy assassination a year later -- when most of my highschool classmates were convinced they wouldn't survive long enough to become adults, much less reach a peaceful old age.

That event, my realization that despite all apparent fact and logic I couldn't seriously believe the human race was prepared to wipe itself out, and the heady mixture of historical novels, spy thrillers, and science fiction that formed my leisure reading in those days all underwent a sort of alchemical fusion from which I emerged with two conclusions:

1) For the most part, human history has been an unending scenario of pain, terror, exploitation, and suffering which doesn't seem likely to end any time soon.

2) Despite this, there has been an ongoing accumulation of human knowledge, understanding, and capacity, which has gone on at a steadily accelerating pace and equally shows no sign of ending.

I'd like to hope that #2 would eventually resolve the problems of #1 -- the Star Trek scenario, if you will. But even if it doesn't, it's the accumulated knowledge which really matters, and compared to which the pain and suffering are transitory at worst and often a positive stimulus for the accumulation of more knowledge. (As, for example, the Black Death stimulated the development of modern science.)

It might seem fair to conclude that things suck, have always sucked, and will continue to suck into the foreseeable future. But there's also no reason for that to be a cause for despair.

On one level, the deaths of innocents in Sidon or Tyre today are no different from the deaths of those killed in those places by the Assyrians in 700 BC, or Alexander the Great in 350 BC, or the Crusaders in 1100 AD. But on another level, things have changed immeasurably -- if only in that slaughters which were considered signs of heroism back them are today decried by billions across the world.

On a board of pollyannas, you might find me playing the repent-for-ye-have-sinned card. But among this bunch of chicken littles, I have no choice but to suggest that not all is doom and gloom. I mean, somebody has to -- and, at least until Irie came along, there didn't seem to be anybody but me who was prepared to do it.

8/07/2006 04:28:00 PM  
Blogger blogbart said...

Great post Jeff. I am going to have to watch Videodrome again, its been decades since I saw it.

But it also created within us fresh capacities of insight, and that too may have been the intent.

Not sure what you mean by this .. can you expound a bit further? I get the insight part, but not the intent.

(Kyle Hence's 11 Questions Avoided by the Media On NORAD Tapes makes a nice, concise refutation of Bronner's plodding.)

Plodding is a polite way to put it! Those questions are on their knees, begging to be asked; to wit:

"I actually said out loud, 'The hijack's not supposed to be for another hour.'"

My. Wig. Flipped. : O

Question: What hijack are you talking about Lieutenant Colonel Nasypany?

On a related note: I was wondering why that crazy bitch Ann Coulter was going after the Jersey Girls with such cruel and vile intent but, considering the potential fury, and motivating force, they represent, perhaps it is no wonder attempts are made to neutralize them. Kinda like with Ms. Cindy Sheehan (who is back ruining GW's vacations).

"They" have lost the Micro in the Macro, and have thus lost the Whole. It's a focus issue... but it spells "their" doom... or at least that of the system they created.

P-tar, you hit nail on the head. Try as one might to top-down manage, even if they are very good at it, they are still dealing with complex systems that change, like proverbial butterfly wings to hurricane influence primarily of their constituent parts.

This complexity is our (the small guy's) friend. We may be better at understanding and manipulating the aggregate (ie, marketing, economics, natural systems, etc) but no one will ever absolutely control it ever ie, them ost carefully laid plans of men will come to ruin.

8/07/2006 04:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

cuttlefish said:

"..they don't add anything to any discussion; they're all just one form of 'I do/don't like this!'"

which is why--after haunting RI everyday for a solid year--i don't usually comment at all, even if i *do* know something about something, unless i think the point-being-made is *way* off and i *know* something about the topic at hand via direct, personal experience. i've had no direct experience with "grays," UFOs, black-ops, satanic ritual abuse, ayahuasca(sp?)-induced hallucinations, etc. so what have i to contribute? and i think there are a number of others like myself who feel it best to read, learn and discern and take notes while keeping our yaps shut.

so, needless-to-say, the majority of the topics here are entirely new to me, and, while i am grateful to the regular commentators who usually leave pertinent remarks and interesting rabbit-trails to follow onto other sites, i am *most* grateful to jeff for the best damn education in "deep politics/science&tech/the occult" available (in my opinion) online or perhaps *anywhere*, considering the variety of the topics addressed. because of this site, i have spent hundreds (if not a few grand) on books it'll take me years to read through, books like Vallee's "Dimensions", Archer's "Plot to Seize the WH", Levenda's "Sinister Forces" trilogy, Goddard's "Trail of the Octopus"...even Ted Mark's "I was a teeny-bopper for the CIA" and Foreman's weird-ass "Passport to Eternity". (thank God for Abebooks, making many of these available in 2nd-hand hardback copies.)

and even though i've copied&printed *every last post* of wells', i left off the comments sections--something i'll miss when the lights go out for good.

8/07/2006 04:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bush finally says something that I agree with:

"it's time to address root causes of problems."

It's too bad our definitions of "root causes" will keep this budding love affair unrequited.

8/07/2006 05:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


No need to explain yourself - your wonderful, insightful postings speak for you. However, I'm glad you did all the same. Since I'm the one who gave you the "cosmic cheerleader" handle, let me explain that my mood was very dark indeed when I read your post and, maybe this is how the dark ones react to the light, I could not endure the positive concept that could irradiate the cold comfort that all was lost after a full day of reading about the cunning cruelty and the seemingly hopeless despair of this world. Being a "cosmic cheerleader" is not a bad thing to be - in fact, I envy your ability to walk on the weirdside here and not have any mud on your shoes. Be who you are and no need to explain - you are just right.

8/07/2006 05:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seems like it's time for Jeff to give us a new thought since we're beginning to implode here.

8/07/2006 05:46:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

In the all the versions I’ve heard, there are good and bad aliens, and the good ones can’t help us due to some non-intervention ethics (when do we as a species develop those?),

Here's my take on good and bad. It comes down to balance. Every time we get disclosure we get a balance of non-disclosure. If the "good" aliens or time line 1 aliens were to intercede in the timeline, we would get time line 2 greys with their intercession. Timeline 1 chooses not to "confuse" present time unless it is absolutely necessary.

In effect, our history be it known or unknown to us in the present, has been visited by both timelines which is to say "aliens" are actually human beings from other times. The bad news is that these time travellers bring "energy" in the form of black holes or stargates when they come and that energy is not supportive of present time. The universal effects of time and time travellers is that it "ages" the planet. In other words, ignorance is bliss.

8/07/2006 05:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity,
and I'm not sure about the former." --- Albert Einstein

"It says he made us all to be just like him. So if we're dumb, then god
is dumb, and maybe even a little ugly on the side." --- Frank Zappa

"Science is magic that works." -- Kurt Vonnegut

"It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to have to paint it." --- Steven Wright

"I'm tired of this back-slapping 'Ain't humanity neat'
bullshit. We're a virus with shoes." --- Bill Hicks

A radical new project could permit human beings to create a "baby universe" in a laboratory in Japan. While it sounds like a dangerous undertaking, the physicists involved believe that if the project is successful, the space-time around a tiny point within our universe will be distorted in such a way that it will begin to form a new superfluid space, and eventually break off, separate in all respects from our experience of space and time, causing no harm to the fabric of our universe.

The project takes as its starting point two basic theories about the foundations of our universe: the big bang and inflation theory. The big bang theory, as many readers are well aware, observes that all objects in the known universe appear to be moving away from one another, suggesting that the universe was jump-started when all matter and energy were concentrated in an inconceivably tiny space, allowing them to overcome binding forces and causing a cosmic explosion.

It is well-tested and consistent with all currently accepted models for general cosmology, as tested against advanced theoretical and observational physics. But it is only one piece of the puzzle. Inflation is a key theory, developed in 1981, when MIT physicist Alan Guth observed that there appeared to have been a period immediately following the big bang when the universe "inflated" rapidly, allowing distinct regions of matter and energy to function comfortably free from any forces that might cause them to collapse against each other or disrupt each other's evolution.

This project is not exactly theoretical physics at work. It is closer to a physical application of observed phenomena, in combination, with the aim of achieving an as yet untested physical effect. Inflation theory helps provide the means of understanding how that effect might be brought about.

As reported by the New Scientist: "Inflation theory, subsequently modified by Linde, relies on the fact that the 'vacuum' of empty space-time is not a boring, static place. Instead, it is subject to quantum fluctuations that cause strange bubbles to appear at random times. These bubbles of 'false vacuum' contain space-time with different —and very curious— properties."

The space-time inside these false vacuums is organized and kept constant by a phenomenon known as the 'Higgs field'. It is believed that with the constant provided by the Higgs field, these bubbles of 'false vacuum' can be induced to withstand contact with the high pressure exterior vacuum and subsequently to expand through a kind of cosmic inflation like the one which followed the big bang at the beginning of our universe.

The key is a monopole, a unique sperical particle with only a north or south pole, only one charge. Adding mass and energy to this already extremely dense particle, could cause it to expand "eternally", providing the trigger needed to make the bubble of false vacuum into an ever-expanding universe, akin to our own, but entirely separate and likely to develop its own physical properties, laws and materials.

Here is the key to the "new universe" paradigm for the project. It would not be simply an extension of our own universe, a space where strange things happen. The New Scientist reports physicist Nobuyuki Sakai's discoveries regarding this process as follows:

"[T]he baby universe has its own space-time and, as this inflates, the pressure from the true vacuum outside its walls continues to constrain it. As these forces compete, the growing baby universe is forced to bubble out from our space-time until its only connection to us is through a narrow space-time tunnel called a wormhole..."

Eventually, the "umbilical" connection between our space-time and the baby universe would be effectively cut, and the baby universe would enter into its own unique process of unending expansion. From our perspective, it would be lost inside a microscopic "black hole", which will not appear to expand into our space-time. Hawking radiation will be emitted and the tiny black hole will "evaporate", sealing the separation between the two universes.

Ultimately, this evaporation is what makes the project possible, but is also, perhaps, its most serious obstacle. It is expected that the separation between our space-time and the baby universe would occur so quickly, it might be impossible —within the limitations of our physical universe— to observe its having been created.

8/07/2006 06:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BONO Buys a Piece of FORBES

Insert "Still Hasn't Found What He's Looking For" Joke Here

NYT | David Carr | Posted Monday August 7, 2006 at 08:17 AM

The Forbes family, children of Malcolm Forbes whose father B.C. Forbes founded Forbes magazine and ensuing empire, has sold a minority stake in the company to private equity group Elevation Partners which includes mono-monikered U2 frontman Bono.

The numbers aren't public but NYT writer David Carr reports hearing that the Elevation stake is over 40% at a price tag of $250 - $300 million.

According to Steve Forbes, Elevation was a natural partner for Forbes because of their technology and new-media savvy: "They are not just a source of capital; they are a source of insight." Forbes said that Forbes had taken a hit in the digital age. Carr has written previously about Bono and U2's marketing savvy and ability to adapt to changing times. Carr reports that Elevation was clearly "buying into a Web site with a magazine attached, as opposed to the other way around." reported 10 million unique visitors in June.

Per Carr: "Proceeds from the sale will be used both to invest in the business and to pay out money to members of the family." Carr also notes that Steve Forbes' two presidential runs have been kind of expensive.

The other Elevation principals may not be Grammy-winners but they have impressive pedigrees, coming from Apple Computer, videogame heavyweight Electronic Arts, and top private equity groups Silver Lake Partners and the Blackstone Group.

8/07/2006 07:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I may be a Chicken Little (or, maybe I'm not, and just play one on TV), but at least I'm presentably dressed with the proper feathers, and all.

I take great comfort in knowing that I'm worthy of cleaning your apartment, feather duster in hand.

8/07/2006 08:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The tooth is responding well to a treatment of beers and bongs.

If I can't get the filling replaced I'll just let it go until it falls out or I get jack and rip it out. It'll save it getting kicked out playing footy. My teeth are a mess. The sooner they open Teethworld the better.

Anyway let us know about a month before you come down and I'll get a special home brew going. otherwise just rock up shrub.

And hey Richard. I guess your description of what passes for a union in your (and my) part of the world is fairly sad and accurate.

Its good to know you are into it tho, no matter how frustrating it gets.

I had a whole lot of stuff to post, but in the last 10 minutes my wifde nearly had a grand Mal. Last time that happened the result was a week in holiday and a blood count that meant she missed out on dialysis by the thickness of the foreskin on a bee's dick.

So 10 minutes of heavy biofeedback and chi stuff and she is OK. Fuck it was a close call tho. So basically I have forgotten what I was gonna write and kind of don't have the energy anyway.

So an that note I hope youse all have great day till next we meet.

BTW Starroute. keep cheering. Its all good.

8/07/2006 09:55:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Anon 6:25
Do you buy into this fantasy crap?

No time to deconstruct this inanity, but abstractions of abstractions will never produce a coherent picture of reality.

Stirring the pot, eh chef. I like iries and jons take on not responding or feeling the need to add verbiage.

I presume this is a somewhat skeptical room, as people without a truly questioning nature will not stick with the discomfort of Jeff’s essays for to long. For my part a tough crowd is the best, like an Apollo Theater crowd. Tough as in paying attention. Only then can substance be seen, peeking out of the garbage forms that define our failed intellectual structures.

8/07/2006 10:36:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

What I was trying to say there is that substance will hang thicker in the air than will the empty forms that are used to brainwash; in the long run.

8/07/2006 10:54:00 PM  
Blogger AJ said...

"It might seem fair to conclude that things suck, have always sucked, and will continue to suck into the foreseeable future. But there's also no reason for that to be a cause for despair. "

Umm. Sounds like Jeff's manifesto.
I for one really appreciate your insight and positive approach to life, which is more of what I admittedly need.
As much as I value Jeff's writing, the comments offered-even if they tangent off-are often times very educational and intriguing.

Even Anony's!

8/07/2006 11:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All that "Cuban Missile Crisis" was total psyop to the U.N. Security Council.

1962 was just as contrived as the 2003 "sequel" contrived stage set of the U.N. security council in the run up to Iraq in 2003.

The whole "evidence" both in 1962 and 2003 were either "interpretations of blurry photogaphs" by U.S. warmongerers or mere instances that later were found (in 2003) to be cribbed from webbased documents of graduate students writing about Iraq ten years before. Then there is "Downing Street Memos" that set up the whole evidence that they were going to do stuff like that to rig intelligence to justify an already decided upon war. That's what was going on in 1962, though Kennedy managed to wiggle out of it then. That made them mad. (There was additionally some sort of context that missles were stationed by the U.S. on "their baby" the USSR client state in Turkey already, and the whole thing may have been arranged to both invade Cuba and/or remove those U.S. stationed Turkish missles.)

Those militarists and CIA Bonesmen around Kennedy were itching to attack Cuba.

Their modus operandi that is seen in [1] the failed Bay of Pigs shortly before, in 1961. This was a particularly bald case of the CIA taking foreign policy into its own hands and invading Cuba--which only failed because Kennedy refused to provide regular air force military support to the provocation. This was a Bush family operation. CIA Skull and Bones, particularly the Bush league of internationalist fascists who aided the Nazis in WWII were pissed!

So next year they were working on the same thing: invading Cuba.

"The crisis started on October 16, 1962, when U.S. reconnaissance was shown ["and interpreted"] to U.S. President John F. Kennedy revealing [so they said] Soviet nuclear missile installations on the island, and ended twelve days later on October 28, 1962,...."

Only this time, they worked harder to arrange to get Kennedy and public opinion more on their side.

[3] You got to remember they were so desperate to invade Cuba for any thing under the sun, however contrived it would be. This was the era in which Joint Cheifs of Staff UNANIMOUSLY wanted to kill Americans as a mere pretext to invade Cuba, and blame it on Cuba. This was Project Northwoods. It led Kennedy to fire the head of the Joint Chiefs in response to finding out that his whole military chain of command were psychotic evil bastards, like Limitzer. He fires Limitzer. Guess what year this happens? 1962. The same year that the clique attempts to start the Cuban Missile Crisis in response to having their state authoried terrorism campaign opposed by Kennedy. Instead, they were going to turn public opinion against Kennedy instead.

Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro as part of the U.S. government's Operation Mongoose anti-Castro initiative. The plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real state sponsored terrorism (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. and Cuban soil. The plan was proposed by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders, including the highest ranking member of the U.S. military, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer.

The proposal was presented in a document entitled "Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba," a collection of draft memoranda (PDF) written by the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) representative to the Caribbean Survey Group. The document was presented by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13 with one paragraph approved, as a preliminary submission for planning purposes.

The previously secret document was originally made public on November 18, 1997 by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board [1], a U.S. federal agency overseeing the release of government records related to John F. Kennedy's assassination. [2] [3] A total of about 1500 pages of once-secret military records covering 1962 to 1964 were concomitantly declassified by said Review Board.

Kennedy fires Lemnitzer.

The Bush clique of the CIA involved in the failed attack of Cubs fire at Kennedy and kill him.

Lemnizer is promoted once more.

Lemnitzer goes on to an outfit that does approve of state terorrism like he wants. Lemnitzer is immediately over state terrorism oriented NATO operations in Europe (and thus, Operation Gladio).

Lyman Louis Lemnitzer (August 29, 1899 – November 12, 1988) was an American Army general, who served as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 1960 to 1962. He then served Supreme Allied Commander, NATO from 1963 to 1969.

See where this leads? Lemnitzer was basically PROMOTED after being fired by Kennedy instead of durably punished.

Lemnitzer goes on into a unit that did approve of state terrorism and worked openly with Nazis--like those in the CIA do. And Operation Gladio was Nazis, CIA, and NATO.

Operation Gladio was a clandestine "stay-behind" operation sponsored by the CIA and NATO to counter communist influence [and democratic politics] after World War II in Italy, as well as in other European countries, which has been involved in various terrorist acts.


Keep the above context in mind when you hear the "Cuban Missle Crisis", or so they say. Youre just puppeting their fake Nazi psyop history. Concentrate on the Nazis instead.

And lo and behold, there's the Bush family's CIA at it once more.

As the Great parapolicalist Yogi Berra said: "Get real folks! It wasn't real." And he didn't say that--so that's not real either, though that's my point: The Cuban Missle Crisis, as seen in TV, was never really verified that "missiles were there" or that "missles were even removed." Never allowed to be verified "after it's over." It was one of a similar series of strategies the U.S. CIA Nazis and U.S. Army Nazis hoped would turn into a full invasion of Cuba.

And who sold those images to you? Trace it back yourself.....same as Iraq in 2003.

With my little history lesson over on the "Cuban Missle Crisis Scam", here's what I really wanted to say. I only posted that above because I was surprised no one else ever did.

I made a link (with a loving link back to Rigorous Intuition) that I plan to extend on "triangles," alien craft, reverse engineered craft parapolitical issues. See the "cute" (or ominous) pictures of them. It's a place to comment or add more yourself.

And want to hear what a triangle sounds like?

(At least when they are making sound instead of completely silent?)

I added an audio clip I found. A sound technician sitting down in a studio with a triangle witness, worked with them similar to how forensic or police artists attempt to sketch a likeness of person from descriptions, slowly tinkering until the witnesses said "that's it."

This synthetic sound is what the witness said was as close as it could get to listening to it.

What they created really chills me to the bone.

The link is here:

Triangles,the Weaponization of Space & the Fake Alien Threat: 2 high level "outs" compared


Werner von Braun vs. Phil Schneider go head to head.

Is there an alien threat, or is it just a ploy to get the weaponization of space from which people have been on record wanting to condition people to accept such a "danger" to justify military budgets and their own global Naziesque path to power and eventually dominating the earth from space?

And my favorite UFO quote from a "President"* is Johnson's above.

*(if we even have these anymore via elections in the U.S., instead of mere military/army connected murders for the position just like the Roman Empire and its army taking over and creating Ceasars in an endless round robin coups and countercoups and the Senate and the people of Rome beware...)

When President Johnson is foaming at the mouth above about the weaonization of space creating "masters of infinity" I almost start to see his eyes roll back into his head.

By the way, I've seen a triangle myself, a silent one.

The memory is enhanced because it was seen passing over on a cold clear night I was standing outside for an hour in the snow, frozen half to death watching the most active even violent aurora borealis I've ever seen.

"It" just sort of calmly and quietly 'flew' by at perhaps around 800-1000 feet with nonflashing red dots on two corners, black against a green-blue auroral sky.

It covered the whole half arc of the sky from where I was standing directly above me, where I noticed it, to the horizon as I watched it in, less than 10 seconds. No sound.

I'm sure they--whoever they were-- were watching the aurora as well.

8/08/2006 03:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been been an avid reader of this blog and comments for a couple of years now- and i think any general comments have all be said e.g what a great site it is and what intelligent comments usually accompany each post. i was interested to know where people come from as it is often very significant when forming an opinion, for example I am from london and have had no experience of most of the things talked about here, occult matters, aliens, underground bases, triangular craft, mind controll etc(gee you americans sure get the lions share of weirdness) but I do have opinions on all of those subjects, would it be possible for posters to just put which country they come from - am I the only one you would find this informative?

8/08/2006 04:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh my .Oh my my my. This is the first occassion where I ever bothered to search for this for free.

Oh my my my. This was just put up in the past several months it says.

You people are going to freak.

Free Fred Schneider videos

There are May, August, and November 1995 videos at Google Video. I suggest watch them in chronological order. (There are others I have seen that are missing from this free list as well. I wish they had the Area 51 one there).

Once more, Phil worked and constructed underground bases, and was associated with S-2, S-4, Groom Lake, and Los Alamos--and worked on alien reverse engineered craft.

I think you will agree with my psychological profile description above on his motivation framework when he basically knew he would be killed and continued to talk out of his patriotism being stronger than the state terrorist fascist control grid he suddenly realized he was working within that was destroying everything he valued.

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8/08/2006 04:48:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Blogbart questioned Jeffs statement;

...But it also created within us fresh capacities of insight, and that too may have been the intent...


"Not sure what you mean by this .. can you expound a bit further? I get the insight part, but not the intent."

"They" are not all bad, "They" just have a hard time expressing themselves.

My contention is that a more balanced relation between order and liberty will deepen the possibilities within our categories and thereby better illustrate the substance contained within our forms. The quality of our experience is a direct reflection of the balance, or lack thereof, between order and liberty. This results in the strange corollary that Ahriman and Lucifer are G-ds necessary helpers. They serve to provide opportunity for discernment and a functional background on which we may find the value and effects of applying free will.

8/08/2006 07:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wooden Walking Stick....

Friend, you are Moses.
I the wooden walking stock.

Sometimes that simple use.
Other times, a dragon earth energy.

You decide.

There's no time or place in the air you inhabit. The days you give me I give back to you.

I have seen your unseeable beauty and taken report without words to
my heart, which became all eye with the news.

"Long life to eyes," says my heart now over and over. Hundreds of candles search the turning sky.

No bread in the basket, no money - home, family, work, in shambles, with your light shining on the ruin.

Crushed in grief's mortar, let me be medicine for other eyes.

What is the soul?
Half a leaf.

What is the heart?
A flower opening.

I am not the one speaking here. Even so, I'll stop.
Anything anyone says is your voice.

8/08/2006 07:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stirring the pot, eh chef. I like iries and jons take on not responding or feeling the need to add verbiage.

I don't see Jon's comments similar to Irie's comments in any way. Jon states what he thinks you should or should not do based on his operative conditioning, whereas, Irie states what people may be doing based on his observations of Internet Behavior.

Sounder, you presume that because I am vocal, I don't listen, but I assure you I do. I absorb most everything written here, but I don't delude myself into thinking this place is some kind of infallible, sacrosanct Fountain of Knowledge, and I should be awestruck by the Demigods who post here, and speak only when I'm spoken to because otherwise I am not worthy. Eccuse me, sir, but I deal with that required and enforced passivity everyday IRL, and I refuse to allow it to carry over to the Internet, where my hopes are that a new paradigm can be inculcated and take root.

So, don't try to shackle me, or Richard, or Jules, or anyone else who embraces streams of consciousness, and is not afraid to express their inner selves for the greater good.

I will be heard, and I'm going to be heard, even if your ears are wide shut.

8/08/2006 08:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shrubaggedon, you sound smart though you additionally sound like you have the emotional maturity of a 5 year old. Please stick to the topic, which is not yourself. If you have something to offer, offer it, then stop--because it is not really interesting or germane to come back and keep begging for compliments or group hugs.

8/08/2006 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AJ said...
"It might seem fair to conclude that things suck, have always sucked, and will continue to suck into the foreseeable future. But there's also no reason for that to be a cause for despair. "

Umm. Sounds like Jeff's manifesto.
I for one really appreciate your insight and positive approach to life, which is more of what I admittedly need.
As much as I value Jeff's writing, the comments offered-even if they tangent off-are often times very educational and intriguing.

Even Anony's!

I'm sorry, but I have to laugh at the statement you quoted from Starroute. Clear your mind and purposely be objective in your critique of it. I have to admit, it is a seeming contradiction, and as Mojo has mentioned, it is classical Double-Talk.

That's how advertizing works.

I challenge each and every one of you to feel the despair, because until you do, nothing will be done to change the Status Quo, because there's always tomorrow.....and on and on it goes in self-perpetuating fashion.

Get off the drugs and feel the pain and hopelessness. Feel the gravity of the situation so we can know its limits, if there are any.

8/08/2006 08:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
though you additionally sound like you have the emotional maturity of a 5 year old.

I'd say it is you who is emotionally bereft. Your operative conditioning has caused you to abandon your instinctual emotional responses, only to be replaced by the patterned responses handed to you by your masters. How dare you insult children in this way. You clearly envy their purity in making such a statement.

Please stick to the topic, which is not yourself.

What topic would that be? This thing's all over the place, by design, so making a comment such as this is rather absurd.

It is not about myself. It is about acknowledging each other. I make it a point to acknowledge others here, as best I can, given time constraints, and being human, I require reciprocation.

If you have something to offer, offer it, then stop,

Everyone who posts here offers something, including you with your insults.

--because it is not really interesting or germane to come back and keep begging for compliments or group hugs.

This last comment, once again, shows your inability to feel, and that's sad. I didn't beg for a compliment.....I implored acknowledgement, and for that I won't apologize, or fall in line, as you suggest.

If someone throws me a compliment, I receive it graciously, but I don't solicit it.

8/08/2006 08:50:00 AM  
Blogger AJ said...

"Get off the drugs and feel the pain and hopelessness.."


Don't let Anony get to you Shrub, he just doesn't feel quite right until he reads his daily piece of Shakespeare *whilst*
on the toilet taking a dump to clear his sharp mind each day,


8/08/2006 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey AJ:

I'm not letting Anony get to me. Also, the get off the drugs comment was not necessarily directed at you, but at all of us, including myself.

8/08/2006 09:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Progressives just don't get it, do they?

They think that if they beat Lieberman in the primary in Connecticut, it will send a message and cause the Democratic Party to move left.

First off, The Democratic Party, regardless of whether or not it moves left, will not change the outcome. At most, it could possibly change the speed and velocity, but the outcome is set wihtout earth-shattering paradigmatic change.

This is what irks me so much about false optimism. It leads you back to Status Quo Lake.

By the way, Lieberman promises to run as an Independent if he loses the primary which will ensure a Republican Victory by fracturing the left vote.

8/08/2006 10:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bush in early 2001 says ,We are disengaging from Middle east.

Silverstein buys WTC towers in July.

Dancing Israelis and URBAN MOVERS disapear from media scutiny.

We Are Untouchable
Tanya Hsu,

We are Israelis. We are untouchable. No matter what we do, the international community will not act against us. Oh, there will be talks at the United Nations but we know that the United States will intervene on our behalf. There will be Arab League discussions but we know that no state will take action against us. There will be mass protests and demonstrations; there will be activists and advocates begging for peace; there will be rallies and fund-raisers to help the targets of our bombs. And we know that nothing will make a difference because we are Jews — we are victims of the holocaust. We have suffered such that we have the right to make the rest of the world pay (even though organized Zionism officially declared war on Germany in 1933, long before Hitler’s Final Solution). Because we are victims.

Yes, we know that peoples all over the world have suffered worse crimes than ours, but they were not the Chosen People. We know that over 22 million Russians were killed under Stalin, 15 million Chinese were killed by the Japanese, millions elsewhere in the world suffered the same fate in the bloodiest 20th century.

We know that Zionism is an atheist Marxist creation using Judaism as its weapon; that we were founded upon terrorism and our leaders became Israel’s prime ministers and Nobel Peace Prize winners; that less than 10 percent of Jews worldwide supported the Zionist cause for decades until World War II. We know that the crimes committed by Hitler equally affected Communists, gypsies, the handicapped, and political prisoners. That does not matter — we are special. The rest of the world will not touch us because they are terrified of the label “anti-Semite”. World leaders are terrified of this ad hominem even though we are mostly not Semitic peoples. Jews of Israel, the Sephardim Jews, were almost nonexistent when we arrived from Russia, Poland, Austria-Hungary and elsewhere in the 20th century and demanded Arab land. They had spread out and moved on. We did not come from Yemen, Ethiopia or Iraq, but who cares? We are the victims and that is all that counts.

Time and again we wonder at how far American gullibility will take us. We push it to the limits on cable television and get away with it repeatedly. We know that the majority of the world is aware we blatantly lie when we express our “deepest regrets” because “terrorists” were hiding in the villages we destroyed. We even have the gall to pick the same targets as a decade ago, ignoring the cries of outrage from America and the West. We’ll just repeat the mantra “a tragic mistake”.

Honestly, we too are rather surprised to see that America patiently sits back and buys our words each time. We have trained our diplomats well, not only in the art of deception to the media, but by using powerful strong-arm, behind-the-scenes tactics to mold the views of US Congressmen and women in our favor.

We have worked on this for decades and it has been perfected for the one place it counts: Our bank America. We rely upon those weapons; we need to create constant conflict so as to receive a perpetual $13 billion annual aid package from the US, including unsecured loans that we have never been, nor ever will be, required to pay back. We are living a dream: What we want is given to us on a silver patter because we are Jews, and we have the holocaust.

The above is only daring in that it is never voiced publicly in the West. The world is watching as Israel incinerates the Lebanese, next the Syrians and Palestinians, then Iran. Diplomats call for peace, a cease-fire, and negotiations. They speak the language of noncommittance. It takes a few brave men and women in leadership positions to dare to speak the truth. Israel is in the position of dominating the US government to an extent never before seen in history, creating a regime who will fully fund a “new Middle East” which in reality means Eretz Israel consisting of Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, northern Saudi Arabia and even Cyprus by some accounts.

There is nothing speculative about these plans for hegemony — everything has been laid out, written down, and presented for years. Academics who dare write the facts know that their tenured careers are over. This war will not end with a cease-fire next week. This war will not end with a security zone controlled by the UN. This war will not end if Hezbollah and Hamas disappeared tomorrow. This war will not end as long as leaders and diplomats continue to fear the trump card charge of anti-Semitism by Israel.

So when hundreds of children are torn apart by uranium-tipped missiles provided courtesy of the US government, look in the mirror. Have you dared to offend Israel? Have you risked? Ask yourself what role you may have played in contributing to this global disaster. Nothing will change until you do.

8/08/2006 10:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In case people forgot, The new administration wanted to disengage, no matter what was said. Their actions indicated disengagement.

It was Washington's fifth intervention with the Israeli leader in a week, an extraordinary level of activity for an administration that spent its first few months trying to disengage from the Middle East dispute.

The NEW TEMPLE WILL BE BUILT , keep your eyes on Jerusalem.

8/08/2006 11:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to say, it does resonate, Mojo Filter.

I put Fox News on last night, I believe it was Hannity & Colmes, to annoy my wife. She usually screams to me in seconds, even if she's not watching the TV, to turn that shit off. However, last night when I turned it to Fox News, there was a commercial soliciting AID for Israel for the havoc being wreaked by those damn Katusha Rockets and that pesky Hezbollah. It was set up like an Infomercial.....very cheesy. The narrator was a Mort Zucherman look alike. They showed an overweight, elderly Jewish woman crying on her sofa as they pleaded for us to give to the Jewish Victims of this most recent Holocaust.

I was flabberghasted, to say the least. Not surprized, mind you, but flabberghasted.

Talk about adding insult to injury.

As Richard mentioned before, you couldn't write Political Satire better than this.

I know, I always has and it always will.....but I shouldn't I won''s all about me, afterall....I should just keep my mouth shut and believe it's the Aliens living beneath a mountain somewhere in the Western United States.....and all my questions will be answered when I die....which may be soon....and in horrific fashion....but at least there's bread on the table we should just be grateful and count our blessings and be glad it's not us.....yet.

I'll stop.....for now....

8/08/2006 11:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a bit of wisdom that's obvious to most people here, but obscured by fogs of panic in the rest of the good ol' US of A.
It was written by John Mueller, who holds the Woody Hayes Chair of National Security Studies, Mershon Center, and is professor of Political Science, at Ohio State University where he teaches courses in international relations.

You can find a link to the entire paper, entitled A False Sense of Insecurity, here:

Determining how to respond to the terrorist challenge has become a major public policy issue in the United States over the last three years. It has been discussed endlessly, many lives have been changed, a couple of wars have been waged, and huge sums of money have been spent — often after little contemplation — to deal with the problem. Throughout all this, there is a perspective on terrorism that has been very substantially ignored. It can be summarized, somewhat crudely, as follows: Assessed in broad but reasonable context, terrorism generally does not do much damage. The costs of terrorism very often are the result of hasty, ill-considered, and overwrought reactions. A sensible policy approach to the problem might be to stress that any damage terrorists are able to accomplish likely can be absorbed, however grimly. While judicious protective and policing measures are sensible, extensive fear and anxiety over what may at base prove to be a rather limited problem are misplaced, unjustified, and counterproductive.
For all the attention it evokes, terrorism actually causes rather little damage and the likelihood that any individual will become a victim in most places is microscopic. Those adept at hyperbole like to proclaim that we live in “the age of terror.” However, while obviously deeply tragic for involved, the number of people worldwide who die as a result of international terrorism is generally only a few hundred a year, tiny compared to the numbers who die in most civil wars or from automobile accidents. In fact, in almost all years, the total number of people worldwide who die at the hands of international terrorists anywhere in the world is not much more than the number who drown in bathtubs in the United States. Until 2001, far fewer Americans were killed in any grouping of years by all forms of international terrorism than were killed by lightning, and almost none of those terrorist deaths occurred within the United States itself. Even with the September 11 attacks included in the count, the number of Americans killed by international terrorism since the late 1960s (which is when the State Department began counting) is about the same as the number of Americans killed over the same period by lightning, accident-causing deer, or severe allergic reaction to peanuts. Some of this is definitional. When terrorism becomes really extensive, we generally no longer call it terrorism, but war. But Americans seem to be concerned mainly about random terror, not sustained warfare. Moreover, even using an expansive definition of terrorism and including domestic terrorism in the mix, it is likely that far fewer people were killed by terrorists in the entire world over the last 100 years than died in any number of unnoticed civil wars during the century. Obviously, this condition could change if international terrorists are able to assemble sufficient weaponry or devise new tactics to kill masses of people, and if they come to do so routinely. That, of course, is the central fear. As during the Cold War, commentators are adept at spinning out elaborate doomsday and worst-case scenarios. However, although not impossible, it would take massive efforts and even more stupendous luck for terrorists regularly to visit substantial destruction upon the United States.


Frantz Fanon, the 20th century revolutionary, contended that “the aim of terrorism is to terrify.” If that is so, terrorists can be defeated simply by not becoming terrified — that is, anything that enhances fear effectively gives in to them. The shock and tragedy of September 11 does demand a focused and dedicated program to confront international terrorism and to attempt to prevent a repeat. But it seems sensible to suggest that part of this reaction should include an effort by politicians, officials, and the media to inform the public reasonably and realistically about the terrorist context instead of playing into the hands of terrorists by frightening the public. What is needed, as one statistician suggests, is some sort of convincing, coherent, informed, and nuanced answer to a central question: “How worried should I be?” Instead, the message the nation has received so far is, as a Homeland Security official put (or caricatured) it, “Be scared; be very, very scared — but go on with your lives.” Such messages have led many people to develop what Leif Wenar of the University of Sheffield has aptly labeled “a false sense of insecurity.” Terrorists can be defeated simply by not becoming terrified — that is, anything that enhances fear effectively gives in to them.

8/08/2006 11:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, it's the complete antithesis of FDR's charge that there is nothing to fear but fear itself.

Of course, you and I have known this for quite some time....but, as you say, the majority of the dolts are scared when they're told to be scared......and that terrifies me.......because, afterall, it's all about me.

8/08/2006 12:12:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Anon(?) was in a nice groove with the Northwoods/Nazis/Kennedy thing, which not to say that starroute and those old enough at the time shouldn't have been greatly doomed and gloomed by the Cuban Missile Drama. Think about 1962 for a minute--what was the level of dissidence and dissonance at a time when the Cold War was just ratcheting up, what was good for GM was good for America, and the Beatles were still wearing black leather and smoking hash in scuzzy Hamburg backrooms? To look down our rigorously intuitive noses at all the people scared shitless by the relentless propaganda of that times is arrogant beyond description. Even with the benefit of having been disabused of our faith in man and his gods, we still twitch involuntarily when are strings are pulled with enough skill.

The weird thing about unraveling the web of lies that form the background of our lives is how interconnected all of it is. Either it's just plain sloppiness, since one lie revealed only leads to the next one it's connected to, making the whole seemingly solid edifice of the American Myth a fragile house of cards teetering on a rickety card table, was "planned" this way so that anyone entering his personal 'chapel perilous' of doubt and discovery would be overwhelmed by the scope and depravity of the real deal, ultimately causing him (and anyone listening) to doubt his own sanity, not the Myth.

How shocking would it be to the herd if some intrepid TV pirates could interrupt the current bloodlust oozing out of the world's TV sets over Castro's imminent demise long enough to announce, "Shut up you stupid fucks. Your own government was more than willing to kill any number of you 40 years ago because they were so afraid of socialism, just as they still are today. Please plant your flags in an appropriate area while we learn something about Operation Northwoods and the real nature of American foreign policy."?

We might start with George F. Kennan, who wrote "Policy Planning Study 23", in 1948:

"We have about 50% of the world's wealth, but only 6.3% of its population. ... In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity. ... To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. ... We should cease to talk about vague and ... unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better."

William Blum writes of Kennan's "cold-blooded amorality":

Those who intensely despise the leaders of the Bush administration are convinced that they are uniquely vile in American history. I would maintain, however, that there's very little of what we've come to fear and loathe about the Bushgang that can't be found in many previous administrations, and that if George W., on a purely personal level, were not such a crass, ignorant, dishonest, and insufferably religious jerk, his policies would be much more readily excused by liberals (though not by radicals) as they excused similar policies under Clinton and other Democrats going back to Truman.

What has distinguished the Bush administration's foreign policy from that of its predecessors has been its unabashed and conspicuously overt expressions of its imperial ambitions. They flaunt it, publicly and proudly declaring their intention -- nay, their God-inspired right and obligation -- to remake the world in their own image.

Kurt Nimmo, in Cuba and the "Necessary Viciousness" of the Bushites (Dissident Voice October 11, 2003), gives us some further, twisted irony vis a vis American policy towards Cuba:

Paying for the egregious sin of deposing the brutal military dictator Fulgencio Batista Zaldívar -- friend of both US business interests and gangster Meyer Lansky -- is a never-ending and ever-increasing debt for the Cuban people.

It seems the lawless cowboy in Washington wants them to hanker for the good old days when Havana served as an international drug port and as the "Latin Las Vegas" for the likes of Frank Costello, Vito Genovese, Santo Trafficante Jr., Moe Dalitz and other notable mobsters.

Neoconservatives, who like to call themselves "Conservative Internationalists," have always had it out for Castro and the communists of Cuba. But then so have any number of US presidents, from Kennedy to Clinton.

It's just that the Bushites are more operatic about it.

Last year Josh Bolton, US Under Secretary of State, gave a speech before the rabid rightwing Heritage Foundation entitled "Beyond the Axis of Evil." In the speech, Bolton designated Cuba, Libya and Syria as "rogue states," in other words states facing possible military action. Bolton went so far as to say "Cuba's threat to our security has often been underplayed," stopping an inch short of claiming Castro plans to attack Florida with biological weapons.

It was the other way around, though.

Back in 1961 and 1962, the CIA used biological weapons on Cuba's agricultural workers. A decade later, the CIA introduced swine fever into the island, precipitating an epidemic which culminated in the death of 500,000 pigs.

The Washington Post further detailed the US covert war against Cuba in 1979 when it published an article claiming the Pentagon had produced biological agents to use against Cuba's sugar cane and tobacco production. Other suspicious disease outbreaks include haemorraghic conjunctivitis, dengue fever, dysentery, ulcerative mammillitis, black sigatoka, and citric sapper blight, to name but a few. In 1977, CIA documents disclosed that the Agency "maintained a clandestine anti-crop warfare research program targeted during the 1960s at a number of countries throughout the world," according to the Washington Post.

"In 1984, Eduardo Arocena, leader of the terrorist group OMEGA-7, admitted to an American jury that he had taken part in operations to introduce deadly viruses into Cuba as part of a secret biological warfare programme against Havana," writes Marcia Miranda. Arocena was trained in the use of explosives by Cuban exiles who were trained by the CIA.

And then there was Operation Northwoods. We think we know all about that one, false flags, contempt for human suffering, but do we really know all the connections between the actors, the unbroken chain which connects the unsavory unworthies of yesteryear with our very our debauched madmen?

Thierry Meyssan, in Operation Northwoods: The Terrorist Attacks Planned by the American Joint Chief of Staff against its Population( reveals the connections which make today's Cuba Libre movement all the more menacing:

On April 1961, the American Army suffered a serious crisis: major-general Edwin A. Walker, the man that started the racist clashes in Little Rock before being appointed Chief of the US Infantry in Germany, was fired by President Kennedy. Walker was accused of developing an extreme right wing proselytism within the army. He himself was a member of the John Birch Society and the Ku Klux Klan.

The Foreign Affairs Commission of the Senate developed an investigation on the ramification of the extreme right wing groups within the army. The hearing were presided by Senator Albert Gore (D-Tennessee), father of the future American vice-president. Senators suspected the Chief of Staff, General Lyman L. Lemnitzer, was involved in Walker’s extreme right wing movements.

Gore knew that Lemnitzer was a secret operation expert: in 1943 he had been in charge of the negotiations to cause a rift between Italy and the Third Reich of Adolf Hitler; and in 1944, along with Allan Dulles, he led the secret negotiations with the Nazis in Ascona, Switzerland, to prepare Germany’s capitulation (Operation Sunrise).

He was also involved in the creation of the Allies «stay-behind» network by using and recruiting Nazi agents to fight the USRR and helped war criminals and people accused of crimes against humanity to escape to Latin America. However, Gore was not able to prove Lemnitzer’s involvement in such facts.

The Return of Lemnitzer

For John F. Kennedy, Lemnitzer was a hysterical and extremist anti-communist backed up by unscrupulous multinational companies. It was then that President Kennedy understood the real meaning of his antecessor, President Eisenhower, warning when the year before, in his farewell address he said:

"The responsible of the government must be aware of an illegitimate influence whether it comes or not from the military-industrial complex. The risk of developing or using a usurped power exists and will remain present. We must not allow this threat to prevent us from our liberties and democratic processes. Nothing must be considered completely achieved. Only the proper surveillance and awareness can guarantee the balance between the lobby of the huge industrial and military machinery we have developed and our pacific methods and objectives so that security and freedom can work together".

John F. Kennedy opposed Generals Walker, Lemnitzer and his friends and refused to involve the US in an overt war against communism in Cuba, Laos, Viet Nam or any other country. John Kennedy was murdered on November 22, 1963.

General Lemnitzer retired in 1969 but in 1975, while the Senate was doing its investigation of the role played by the CIA during Nixon’s administration, Gerald Ford, who became president after the Watergate scandal, asked him to participate in the said investigation.

After this, Ford requested his services again to assist pressure group Committee on the Present Danger (CPD). This group was created by the CIA, which was then directed by George Bush senior. It campaigned against communism and promoted its threats. Among its leaders, there were several CIA officers and Paul D. Wolfowitz (current Assistant Secretary of Defense in charge of the operations in Afghanistan). At the same time, Gerald Ford promoted General William H. Craig to Major General. Craig had directed the preliminary analysis of Operation Northwoods as director of the National Security Agency (NSA).

General Layman L. Lemnitzer died on November 12, 1988.

In 1992, the American public opinion questioned President Kennedy’s murder after the transmission of filmmaker Oliver Stone’s film where inconsistencies on the official version were shown. President Clinton ordered archives on Kennedy’s presidency to be declassified and among them, Kennedy’s Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara’s papers, secret project «Northwoods» was found.

Now maybe it's a bit of a stretch to give Oliver Stone sole credit for making the herd scratch its antlers over Kennedy's death, but it does make one wonder whether further revelation might not also be possible (although we're certainly not going to get from Stone on 9/11, given the piece of crap he's made on it...)

8/08/2006 12:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. cuttlefish,

Why start at 1948?

Here's Major General Smedley Butler who received 2 Congressional Medals of Honor in his speech War is a Racket:

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

In the World War a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?

Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few – the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill.

And what is this bill?

This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations."


Of course, for this loss, there would be a compensating profit – fortunes would be made. Millions and billions of dollars would be piled up. By a few. Munitions makers. Bankers. Ship builders. Manufacturers. Meat packers. Speculators. They would fare well.

Yes, they are getting ready for another war. Why shouldn't they? It pays high dividends.

But what does it profit the men who are killed? What does it profit their mothers and sisters, their wives and their sweethearts? What does it profit their children?

What does it profit anyone except the very few to whom war means huge profits?

Yes, and what does it profit the nation?

Take our own case. Until 1898 we didn't own a bit of territory outside the mainland of North America. At that time our national debt was a little more than $1,000,000,000. Then we became "internationally minded." We forgot, or shunted aside, the advice of the Father of our country. We forgot George Washington's warning about "entangling alliances." We went to war. We acquired outside territory. At the end of the World War period, as a direct result of our fiddling in international affairs, our national debt had jumped to over $25,000,000,000. Our total favorable trade balance during the twenty-five-year period was about $24,000,000,000. Therefore, on a purely bookkeeping basis, we ran a little behind year for year, and that foreign trade might well have been ours without the wars.

It would have been far cheaper (not to say safer) for the average American who pays the bills to stay out of foreign entanglements. For a very few this racket, like bootlegging and other underworld rackets, brings fancy profits, but the cost of operations is always transferred to the people – who do not profit."

8/08/2006 02:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, of course, Smedley. It's a shame no one names their boys Smedley any's a great name, you must admit.

I wander if Smedley clasped his bra first before rotating it to the back like Colonel Quisp?

8/08/2006 02:41:00 PM  
Blogger blogbart said...

Sounder said: My contention is that a more balanced relation between order and liberty will deepen the possibilities within our categories and thereby better illustrate the substance contained within our forms.

Humans have already experimented with the entire gamut of social structures which trade off order and liberty in varying proportions. Social conformity, peer pressure, class structure, dictatorships, matriarchy, patriarchy, etc. Benefits accrue from all of them, each has its place and time for maximal benefits. So, if one espouses a particular titration, then why so?

The ebb and flow of the balances between liberty and order, however established, result from the complexity within the organized systems we are part of. Some people have posted above that they are optimistic or pessimistic and evaluate the pragmatic.

iridescent cuttlefish's observation The weird thing about unraveling the web of lies that form the background of our lives is how interconnected all of it is. Either it's just plain sloppiness, since one lie revealed only leads to the next one it's connected to.. is another way to view the manifestation of this complexity. Of course things are connected. Life is not a series of singular points, but an ceaseless series of cause and effects that began the day the universe was created (and likely before).

In this framework of complex, highly organized systems and cause and effect, optimism and pessimism lose meaning because the potential of influencing the system is nearly guaranteed as by definition it is not static. Status quo is an ephemeral quality. Perturbations happen. Individuals can make a difference. At best you can be optimistic or pessismistic about nudging the point of equilibrium for a particular issue in the desired way.

8/08/2006 02:49:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Quite right, Richard & Shrubaggedon!

And yet, people are often quite perplexed, aggrieved even, when I shout such guerilla ontologisms as, "George Washington was the richest man in America!" The fact is though, that while the US has always been a deeply racist, war-mongering imperial engine, 1947 did mark a turning point. The birth of the national security state marked the beginning of a new era, that of the military/industrial/surveillance state (and, as Jeff and many of you would have it, occult as well...I'm not so sure about the occult thing, only because part of it is being used as a tactic to scare people, regardless of it's true role...)

With 1947, and the 'merger" beteen the Gehlen Org and the fledgling CIA, our historically "typical" imperialism was injected with something new: a fanaticism which brooked no moderation, no oversight, and certainly no hint of ethics, not there was ever any emphasis on the latter. It was during this time that the reign of the psy-ops terrorists truly began. The stodgy old military industrialists surrounding McKinley, for example, didn't seem to feel much of a need for deception and disinfo, despite Karl Rove's predecessor, Mark Hanna's access to McKinley's empty head. Sure there was propaganda, but they didn't bother to sprinkle it with nuggets of truth, arrogant bastards that they were.

Nowadays, it's getting harder and harder to separate the truth from the fiction (and to attach the proper significance to each.) Take this piece upfield "We Are Untouchable," by Tanya Hsu. It's a magnificent blend of truth and bullshit. One of the giveaways is the line about "Zionism declaring war on Germany before Hitler's temporary solution." What's a poor Nazi to do? Finkelstein correctly points out the fact that while an entire industry has been made of the holocaust, it did still happen, and people like Zundel are merely stepping into the pile of shit that others have conveniently placed in their paths. Here we see Jews as patsies being girded by fake (and real) antisemitism. Where's the shovel, where's the microscope?

8/08/2006 03:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shrub said:

"I absorb most everything written here, but I don't delude myself into thinking this place is some kind of infallible, sacrosanct Fountain of Knowledge, and I should be awestruck by the Demigods who post here, and speak only when I'm spoken to because otherwise I am not worthy."

no need to get ugly, shrubby--i never said any of those things, only that i have no personal experience with most of what gets discussed here, so what the hell have i to add to those discussions but noise? to do otherwise would be like walking into a support group for cancer patients and deciding to go on and on about how i'm in perfect health! so, throw your stones and call it conditioning, call it false humility, call it whatever, but i think it quite telling that *you* become offended when someone suggests that it makes no point to keep yammering on if they don't have something to contribute. *you* start running at the mouth with "I have a right to talk, dammit, blah blah blah!" *you* take it personally, as if they were telling *you* to stick a sock in it once in a while.

incidently--and i'm not that anon poster from before--you *did* seem to go fishing for comments with the whole--

"I post here quite frequently, and rarely am I ever ackowledged. If I am acknowledged, it is generally in a negative light. I feel I have added valuable insight with my comments, yet it is as though I'm talking to an indifferent audience.

"I can say the same thing as Mr. Wells, on occasion, and I can say it with equal penmanship and pinache, but it will go completely ignored, or so it seems....Now, as part of your operative conditioning, I fully expect I will be brutally attacked for my opinion..."

--thingy. my, my, how you love that "conditioning" label, as if it isn't a case of the pot calling up the kettle! what kind of suffocating conditioning does it take to render someone SO insecure that they have to post a comment like yours above, seeking approbation from monikers on a computer screen? who gives a shit if you never get a pat on the back from a bunch of anonymous posters and a guy--or gal--calling themselves "cuttlefish"! YOU give a shit, apparently...

it's not all about YOU, shrub.

8/08/2006 03:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


The prolific troll "Shrubageddon" whines "I post here quite frequently, and rarely am I ever ackowledged. If I am acknowledged, it is generally in a negative light."

I respond with this paste from the "Arcadia..." post:


Anonymous said...
Those who come here trying to make honest, incisive statements, or even simply ask important or relevant questions, are shut down by the blather of Shrubageddon, or the useless yammering of Jules and Jon, or the near psychotic semi-literate solipsistic ramblings of Sounder...

All disinformation begins with some form of truth telling or truth seeking. But then it deviates of course and off kilter.

RI is a cock teasing whore who takes your time, if not your money (and which is more valuable?), then sends you off to a circle jerk in an echo chamber full of half wits...

Most of the regulars here know that "shrubageddon", "luposapien", "Richard", "jules", and "streeb" are one entity. There are a few more new ones now as well- they come and go (one is just a few posts up- can you guess which?). It's all probably "thumperton", a extremely lonely kid with a lot of time on his hands that got kicked off the discussion board a while back for carrying on a charade.

-and then yes, there are a few others with their own special methods of obfuscation, leg-lifting, and "street-sign switching" ...

Evidently Jeff/Blogspot can't stop it and still allow open posting. Or maybe this site IS just a honey-pot. Given the volitility of the subject matter, you can never be sure, can you?

Hey- it's the "Same as it ever was"- the web has always had it's share of these fakers and trolls. S.O.P.- you got to wallow in some shit if you want to find that gold.




'nuff said.

8/08/2006 04:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're right, Jon, I do give a shit about making a Connection, and thankfully I have with several posters here who also want to make a Connection.

The quote of me you posted reinforced my point about acknowledgment, and you, sir, are proving my point by responding negatively.

If we don't Connect within this realm, and outside of it, all this being discussed is pure mind candy for those who feed off intrigue like heroin addicts looking for their next fix.

Also, shelf the contribution bullshit theme, will you? As Irie has mentioned, at least half of the info. posted here by commentators is disinfo. Sure, it's interesting, and titillating, but it's also obfuscating and misdirecting. Interestingly, I don't hear you objecting to those so-called contributions....which may, or may not be telling about your motivations for being here.

Look at how you chose to respond to me. You don't acknowledge me any other time, but when you do, you do so negatively. I believe that says a lot about you already....and I hardly know you.

How about my comments about the movie Eyes Wide Shut? Did you read them? If so, what are your thoughts? Have you seen the movie? If not, why not? Do you think it is irrelevant and off-topic? If so, I would say you're not paying attention.

How about my comments about the Infomercial on Fox News soliciting Aid for Israel's latest Holocaust? Did you read it? Any thoughts? Or, do you think that's irrelevant, as well?

Don't try to level your Catholic Hierarchical Operant Conditioning Paradigm on me, Mister. Who the hell do you think you are? This is an equal opportunity space, and you've got no business implying that comments should only be made according to a proscribed template.

8/08/2006 04:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is excellent discourse on 9-11 and other interesting topics on the R.I. discussion board. As implied, immature trolls and mega-posting crap-artists like those mentioned above get run out of there fairly fast, and the quality of thought is much better than the un-regulated "equal opportunity" comment section, IMO.

8/08/2006 04:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


You were right. The Stormfronters and Freepers are everywhere, and as we can see, they are here, as well.

Yet another reason why the challenge to change the paradigm is daunting and improbable. It will have to be fomented at the fringes, and these freaks occupy the fringes like the rabid, mouth foaming, abusive dogs they are.

8/08/2006 04:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Most of the regulars here know that "shrubageddon", "luposapien", "Richard", "jules", and "streeb" are one entity. There are a few more new ones now as well- they come and go (one is just a few posts up- can you guess which?)."

Eee gads. It appears that I suffer from multiple personality disorder. I guess I'm one of the few 'regulars' that hasn't recognized that as of yet.

8/08/2006 04:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Next time, please clean the spoon before you dip it in the peanut butter jar. You know I hate when you do that.....almost as much as Jules not hanging up the dish towel, or Ricard not flushing the toilet, or streeb leaving the Dapper Dan on the counter with the top off.

Do Not Seek The Treasure.

It Is An Ambush.

8/08/2006 04:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 4:17 said from the depths of his own BO induced hallucinations:

"Most of the regulars here know that "shrubageddon", "luposapien", "Richard", "jules", and "streeb" are one entity."

You're a strange ducky pal. I'd give your blather a bit more weight if you attached a name to your endless quacking. As it is, your continuous anon-sermonizing just makes me wonder at what point your emasculated pompous weeniness will just shut up & fuck off.
I wouldn't worry though. That squeeking you here in the distance is just the med-cart bringing your daily dose of psychotropic meds. The voices & hopefully the hallucinations will all go bye-bye real soon.

" I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly.
I'm crying.

Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come.
Corporation tee-shirt, stupid bloody Tuesday.
Man, you been a naughty boy, you let your face grow long.
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen.
I am the walrus, goo goo g'joob."

8/08/2006 04:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmm - too bad we've run out of good things to talk about huh.

8/08/2006 05:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no, for the most part, i agree with you, shrub--i saw "eyes wide shut" years ago and my reaction was pretty much the same as yours. likewise with the nonstop drivel coming from *every* media outlet about how the israelis are the REAL victims in this war and how we should all have a good cry over them. bollocks, as they say.

however, i'm apparently not so indoctrinated into the "Catholic Hierarchical Operant Conditioning Paradigm" (wha...?) that i couldn't let your "a priest is a prostitute for a prostituted god" BS go without comment a while back, now am i? what do *you* know about my prostituted faith? nada... your prejudices are your own, pal, as are mine.

my point is to take issue with your belabored 'everyone-who-disagrees-with-me-is-a-victim-of-conditioning' meme, like you tried to say of Richard's 'who afraid of Santa wolf?' opinion a few weeks ago. you went on and on about his alledged 'conditioning' (something you were *hardly* qualified to opine on) until he said 'fuck it' and you drove him off the post for a few days. now *you* want to play the victim, going on and on about how you, in your righteous indignation, "Will not be silenced!" now, i am in NO way inclined to believe that you are jules and jules is richard and richard is cuttlefish and so on--that anon poster is obviously full of shit. bullocks on him too.

just give your dime-store psychology 'conditioning' weapon a rest once in a while, will ya? we are *all* conditioned to a certain degree, and you are no exception, mr.-i-need-group-affirmation. ok?

8/08/2006 06:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

. . . bunch a' rowdy eight year olds running out of things to do on a rainy Sunday afternoon . . . mutter, mutter . . .

8/08/2006 06:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff said in his post back in 2005 on triangles, which he links from his post above:

The NIDS study emphasizes that the flying of these vehicles may be more in harmony with an attempt to display or to be noticed. There appears to be little or no attempt to hide. That finding has led to a modification of an earlier NIDS hypothesis that the Triangles are covertly deployed Defense Department aircraft.

I know: "black triangles" could describe many conventional, or near conventional, aircraft developed by US defense contractors. But these triangles are different: huge; silent; capable of sudden changes in speed and direction; able to hover and accelerate at seemingly impossible velocities.

And as the NIDS study finds, rather than a shielded black ops project, the pattern of sightings is more suggestive of "an attempt to display or be noticed."


Here's an account from 1996 of six British troopers encountering a black triangle while on night moves. ("It really did my head in") For what it's worth, under hypnosis, a soldier recalled American forces acting in concert with it. ("Tell me what you can see now, Mark." "A Yank...") And reportedly, according to a "top BBC executive," British media has been silenced with a "D-Notice" on the subject of Black Triangles:

The executive, who cannot be named, is the former producer of a very popular BBC science programme. He told one of our team that the black triangle "craft", first witnessed by hundreds in the Hudson Valley region of the United States [(mid-1980's), then by thousands in Belgium (1989-90) and more in Britain], has been "heavily D-Noticed" by the Government. For this reason the BBC will not be reporting on the enigmatic craft, no matter how many witness reports they receive.

According to the former science programme producer, the reason the Government has seen fit to slap a restrictive notice on reporting of the Triangle is because -so far as the Government has secretly informed the BBC- the craft is part of a new secret military project, and as such must be protected under the secrecy laws.

If this is the case, however, it surely begs the question: If the so called Black Triangle is a secrety military aircraft, then what is it doing hovering over residential areas and frightening people half to death? Something somewhere simply does not add up.

Well, it would add up, if the American and British military secrecy orders are definitely connected to it as you note. The secrecy seems to be about "Yank" connections (i.e., U.S.) to working/flying with triangles in midair in formation with them, instead of about their existence per se. It seems that what that U.K. pilot witnessed was an "old tech/new tech" group training exercise.

Further backing it up, would be the "EMERGENCY RELEASE..." blurb (in English) printed on a hatch on the underside of that triangle that that stunned Texan man saw.

Further backing this interpretation, it would add up if people like Phil Schneider said from Gulf War One under Bush Senior (and Dick Cheney--remember, his Secretary of Defense), they have been moving these out into the open and using them to invade areas like Iraq. And Colin Powell planned the (alien tech?) invasion which if you recall surprisingly took on the fifth largest military power int he world and decemated in within days. Phil said that 100% of its target bombing were achieved, without any downed reverse engineered F117a craft, except a really tiny nick on one from a missle that went past, easily repaired.

No casualities no downed planes and 100% targets hit versus complete Stone Age decimation of Iraq.

If Bush/Cheney/NORAD war gamed up to around 15 different 9-11 active terror events, they are certainly war gaming any larger "fake alien invasion"? Or will it be real. Watching Phil once more he makes a differentiation between "four good aliens" and "7 baddies." However, he additionally indicates that there is already a planetary defense system that works in place, and that (he claims) the U.S. is shooting down an alien craft at the rate of 1 per day on average, the Russians 2 per day, Europe 1 per day, etc. Someone had the fortitude to ask how the U.S. shot such fast flying things down. Phil said it was typically either some form of particle beam weaponry or a rail gun "jousting"(firing long bolts of metal at around 25,000 mph), much faster than a rifle.

Once more though, little more than quick comments like this in audiences attempting to file this information away in their stretched minds properly without much grounds for follow up questions.

"[Triangles]...[f]irst witnessed in the Hudson Valley in the 1980s",--that's interesting, since that confirms Phil speaking in 1995 said that they finally got reverse anti-grav electromagnetic bubble encased technology into something functional in the 1980s. He said above Mach 2-3 in the atmosphere, anything would start to glow like a meterote at 10s of thousands of degrees on reentry because it is ionizing the atmosphere and making the air around it catch fire due to the friction. That had to be solved to do planetary movements faster than this durably. The force field electromatic bubble around Stealth, Aurora, and other craft are innately required to both protect against atmospheric friction at such fast speeds--as well as with a tweak (like on the Stealth and certainly some others) to go "cloak" or invisible by twisting the electromagnetic bubble so that reflected light bends around the bubble 180 degrees, and you see what's on the other side all around the object from any angle. (This gets into Project Invisibility and the Philadelphia Project/Project Rainbow which Phil discusses a bit as well. This actually was your "grandfather's era" of U.S. classified technology for most of us. Read the thoroughly documented The Hunt for Zero Point on such things concerning the switch by the late 1940s, with a quick blanket order, on electrogravitics drives and antigrav tech information--that was starting to appear in public journals. Then it was classified and it has been a parallel path ever since, as discussed by the gleanings of the Janes Defense Weekly writer Nick Cook.

Phil however states that in the secret archives the U.S. has been aware since 1909 of alien presence in the American Southwest, when the U.S. Cavalry found an old disused 'alien base' in a cave system while chasing (human) bandits, and attempting (in an era before serious flight even) to describe things like "silver wing" craft.

Speeds? Speeds that they have successfully been able to operate such reverse engineered alien technology are anywhere from 20,000 mph to 90,000 mph successfully, said Phil. He implied it might go faster though the issue was limited by keeping human control of such craft at such speeds.

They are high performance craft built from innately a different "off planet" high performance metals and metal milling in space which Phil said the Space Shuttle was involved in trucking back and forth to grind them more perfectly in the zero gravity and airless environments of space. The materials themselves are secret classified elements--additional ones past 104 through 140--with "island of stability elements" properties and their capacities of different "skaleneo-hedral" crystalline structures that don't naturally exist, and some of which above 104 that are lighter than lithium at atomic number 3, which Phil said are used in such things like the B2 bomber.

"Scalene," for those reaching back to a blurred high school education, or those who want to pay more attention suddenly to their own they are going through right now, means a property of "Having three unequal sides. Used of triangles." What an appropriate double meaning of triangle there.

And it ain't just your grandfather's electrogravitic drive triangles anymore. Phil said there are about 23 different class prototypes of saucer/triangle.

1 trillion dollars ever two years ain't hay, particularly when its protected international drug monopoly of Bush Senior and Co.. How reminiscent of Skull and Bones founding family of Russell and Co in Canton, China in the 1830s onward with a near opium monooply profit vehicle. The current "Russell and Co." Phil indicates is a consortium of U.S. CIA/M16 and U.S. DEA working together as a publicly Anglo-American subsidized drug mafia to keep it "all in the NWO family."

Perhaps one of the U.S. triangles is named the USS Mena Arkansas.

And let's remember that interesting news story about the U.K. hacker, poking about the Pentagon and U.S. Defense databases looking for evidence of aliens, etc. The hacker spoke publicly in the U.K. while awaiting extradition to the U.S. He said that he fould a huge list of U.S. miliary "ships" and "crew compliments" that don't publicly exist that were categorized as "non-terrestrial" wing of the U.S. fleet.

Back to Phil: Phil did quip that "we have bases on Mars, yes."

Phil additionally mentions a "trade deal" whereby the U.S. is supplying plutonium metal for "alien owned" propulsion drives, while the U.S. gets technology and biological weaponry based on their off-planet bodies that are, according to Phil, "a biological weapon" because our biologies are unable to handle it. Phil makes the claim that the long shelf life Russian nerve gas that the U.S. is now stockpiling (getting rid of its) as well as the "AIDS virus" were reverse engineered alien biological warfare in some part.

Phil's points do fit well from other books though less on the inside as to names, dates, and locations.

Phil said half (I think he said 62) of the 131 U.S. deep underground bases have some sort of aliens, sometimes with their own separate hermetic levels they run.

There's a "helpful Pentagon alien" named Val Thor (Thorne?) who Phil had met who "hadn't aged in 50 years". Phil said he didn't know whether such aid was under duress or voluntary. He's human looking, though a little less than 8 feet tall.

Until someone else is an "out," like Phil cross-verification is difficult with much of what he says. And he said that all the other "talkers" he knew were killed far faster than he was, because he was such a good marksman and defensive race car driver in his youth and his Ford Taurus--with the police interceptor engine--that saved his life on one occassion he mentions when Air Force government vans with Uzzis were after him when he was driving through the desert to get to Needles, California from the Truth or Consequences area.

Truth or Consequences indeed.

8/08/2006 07:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


8/08/2006 07:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks cuttlefish, about Limnizter.

Fascinating he was the one originaling the Operation Gladio "stay behinds" in the first place...then goes to take charge of them after 1962 when Kennedy fires him for writing up state terorrism plans in the U.S.

Lots of connections made in that post.

8/08/2006 07:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff wrote on the 2005 triangles post:

"I know: "black triangles" could describe many conventional, or near conventional, aircraft developed by US defense contractors. But these triangles are different: huge; silent; capable of sudden changes in speed and direction; able to hover and accelerate at seemingly impossible velocities."

Just to make clear how easy and long known (though classified) are the quick acceleration capacities of such antigravity technology propulsion units. Nick Cook writes of the 1930s "quickly classified" Martin (into Martin Marietta aerospace corporation) drive frameworks set up by ionization on opposite ends of a metal circular wing craft. By distributing the different charges on eother side of the circular wing, and ramping up the differential between the positive and negative sides of the craft, he got motion forward in one direction. Hook this up

- with "inertial dampening" antigravity technology bubbles

and you can ramp that electric-ionizing differential surely to the n'th degree

- if there are no ohms (electric resistance, i.e. superconducting materials), and if

- as Phil notes, some are nuclear powered engines on these saucer/triangles (like the nuclear submarines), you are going to be able to get a lot of quick electrical capacities. This may sort of explain why some triangle witnesses note expanded pulsing and sitting still of such triangle craft before "the clutch is thrown in gear" (the antigrav bubble is created), and then the electric differential around the whole thing is applied in one nuclear hyped electrical conversion, and off it goes without inertial difficulties of turning the people inside to mush.

Hmm. I better go read up more on electricity.. It may have a lot to do with "webers" and "teslas"--the latter, how appropriate.

ohm electric resistance V/A
pascal pressure Pa N/m2
tesla magnetic flux density Wb/m2
volt voltage V W/A
watt power W J/s
weber magnetic flux Wb V·s

Remember at all times:

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. ~~Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (Clarke's third law)

8/08/2006 07:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. ~~Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (Clarke's third law)

An interesting statement, especially when he considers it a law.

The operative word is indistinguishable, which doesn't necessarily mean they are one and the same.

Our limited perception prevents us from processing the stimuli in a logical and coherent fashion, so we resort to our default, and call it Supernatural, or Magic.

However, I don't believe Magic and Technology are one and the same, not that Clarke is saying that. I believe there is Magic, and it is distinct from Technology. I also believe that there are those who choose to make Technology look like Magic, and those who use Magic to look like Technology.

Is that what's going on with the Giant Black Triangles? Is Advanced Technology being made to look like Magic? Probably not, IMHO, since we have been so exposed to this meme that it is not so far fetched any more. We've had time to absorb it, so it's not so novel. However, the opposite could very well be true. It could be Magic made to look like Advanced Technology. I'm not saying that's the case here, but it is certainly plausible. The fact that so many accross a broad demographic have witnessed these things leads me to believe there is something to it. I don't have to see it myself to believe that.

I'm skeptical when it comes to this Phil guy, though.

8/08/2006 08:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for proving my point over and over and over again, Jon. You can't help but respond in one way, can you? A lot like Pavlovian Salivation, if you ask me.

8/08/2006 08:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.

-- Terry Pratchett

8/08/2006 09:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yo, Shrub. Why don't you tell us what movies you're watching now. What your eating. Where you buy it. Whether you had a good nights sleep. Your favorite coffee, and how much you hate trivial things swamping your comments.

Oh I forgot, you did that here already. Anyone ever called you a psychopath, Shrub? I'm attempting to come to terms with how the universe has revolved around you all this time and NO ONE ELSE seemed to notice.

8/08/2006 09:45:00 PM  
Blogger AJ said...

"In an advanced high tech and materialistic age, what might appear to be advanced technology could in fact be spiritual."

-Dean Koonz

now now boys, can't we all just get along? *

*luv ya Starroute!

8/08/2006 11:31:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

To the Anonymous interested in the web of connections tying key figures in Operation Northwoods to both Gladio and to the actors behind the scenes today: it gets even more incestuous, the deeper you go. Lemnitzer was on the ground in Germany at war’s end, making deals, setting up postwar “contingencies” and scooping up Nazis on the run. The fact that he was himself a fascist of the first order, a real homegrown American Nazi, only makes his connections to his German counterparts that much easier to understand. While the groundwork was being laid for Gladio, Operation Paperclip and its precursors were already getting started. A full diagram of these connections is almost dizzying, as seen in this one for a very central figure, Hans Globke, whose past is described here in relation to the anxiety in the CIA caused by the arrest of Adolf Eichmann:

In Bonn, the immediate fear was what Eichmann would say about Hans Globke, who had also worked in the Nazis' Jewish affairs department, drafting the Nuremberg laws, designed to isolate Jews from the rest of society in the Third Reich. While Eichmann had gone on the run, Globke stayed behind and prospered. By 1960 he was Chancellor Konrad Adenauer's national security adviser.

"The West Germans were extremely concerned apparently about how the East Germans and Soviet bloc in general might make use of what Eichmann would say about Hans Globke," Mr Naftali said.

It was not just a West German concern. Globke was the main point of contact between the Bonn government, the CIA and Nato. "Globke was a timebomb for Nato," Mr Naftali said. At the request of the West Germans, the CIA even managed to persuade Life magazine to delete any reference to Globke from Eichmann's memoirs, which it had bought from the family.

The connection which, to me, has the most relevance to today is that between Lemnitzer, Globke and Reinhard Gehlen. Most people here know Gehlen’s story—how he sealed literally tons of classified files from his Eastern Front army intelligence section on the Soviet Union in steel drums which he then buried in the Bavarian Alps for use in his negotiations with the victorious US Army, who then put him in a American general’s uniform, bundled him off to Washington for his swearing in (or blood-drinking or whatever the initiation called for) before setting him loose back in Germany again to set up the new West German intelligence service, the BND, from which he fed the CIA all those bullshit Soviet military strength estimates which were then used to justify the Cold War, etc, etc—but here’s his real “contribution” to the CIA: Gehlen gave us the methodology and the framework for the modern state-within-the state.

During the war, Albert Speer, who was nominally in charge of the entire wartime economy, grew increasingly frustrated by his inability to track resources because the SS had become self-financing, through the most disgusting methods imaginable, for the most part. Even more frustrating for Speer, he couldn’t find anything out about this secret state within the 3rd Reich because of its adoption of a policy of compartmentalization of information—the “need to know” basis for information sharing. At its inception, the CIA, while not prone to much direct oversight in those early days, could at least in theory be audited by Congress because it still showed up in federal budgets. Thanks to our new German friends, this all changed very quickly. By 1980 it was conservatively estimated that the CIA was at bare minimum 40% self-financing, mostly through drugs and illegal arms sales, but they were also “branching out, diversifying their portfolio” into legitimate businesses. By all insider accounts, this rate only accelerated once Reagan took office.

So, here’s the kicker: heavily self-financing (no possibility of congressional oversight) and deeply committed to compartmentalization of knowledge, the perfect conditions for black ops, and all that they entail, obtain. False Flags? (One of the most frequent denials of 9/11 theories is that too many people would have to have been involved to keep it secret. Not exactly...) Covert, occult/narco-mafia/terror networks? Giant triangles? Even if there were a highly unlikely rash of whistle-blowing revelations, an operation of this scale could never be fully uncovered or even plausibly estimated anymore.

Even so and however, it occurs to me that the sums involved for the procurement of such massive constructs as the triangles everyone’s talking about would still be prohibitively expensive, as least by conventional reckoning, unless the hidden technologies themselves were somehow as “low-cost” as the zero-point energy that is reputed to be one of their chief assets. Not that any of us should ever aspire to empathize with Albert Speer, but the frustration at never being able to find out exactly what these Nazi fucks have been up to is most galling. Unless there’s some deux ex machina that we cannot at this point predict…

8/09/2006 12:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon said:

"Phil knew everything on the one hand 'you ever wanted to know though were afraid to ask' about alien craft and technology and materials, and could rattle it off so quickly in his conferences."

i just watched an hour and 11 minutes of one of the talks he supposedly gave in Nov. '95 and i gotta say, your comment above doesn't fit the Phil i just listened to. he rambled here and there, mostly off-the-cuff, about "data" it seems would be unavailable to a *geologist* working on building 'deep underground bases' (or DUMBs, as he called them). some of his "stats":

as of 1995 (or whenever this was shot)--
1. there were 131 of these bases in the US, 127 in lower 48, roughly x3 per state
2. they are 4.25 cubic miles of hollowed out underground space
3. 5700 ft underground
4. built by staffs of 1800-10,000 people
5. built at rate of x2 ea. year
6. cost $17-26 billion ea. (at another point he claimed they range from $17-31 billion apiece)
7. are ALL connected by superspeed 'subway' trains capable of mach 2 and 2-4 lane roads completely underground
8. are deep under *every* military base/facility in US (which would seem like more than x3 per state)

when it came to Q&A, a lady asked of all of this underground activity could be producing the earthquakes out west and he mumbled, "Could be..." and went to the next question. now he might not be a seismologist, but a geologist could give a better answer than that, right?

he claims that we have/had x1 black-op shuttle flight taking off per week to refine alien metals in black-op space labs and that there are 11 alien civilizations out there, 9 of which are "bad news," and 2 of which are "benevolent." but oh, wait--the benevolent ones left to make war on themselves recently (in '95). we have a treaty with them--*all* of them?--but they are liars and not to be trusted. they can be trusted to keep themselves under wraps it seems, but not much else.

towards the end, he claims that he had survived 13 attempts on his life--"mostly shot at"--since the beginning of that year (this was supposedly taped in NOV of 95, remember) but that "a few months ago", he had worked in oregon laying an underground road. was that before or after they began shooting at him, i wonder?

he also "test piloted" a black-op plane, once, running it up and down the runway but not taking off. AND he got into a "war" with them where they melted one of his lungs in his chest ("I was cooked alive, basically") and he lost a few fingers. they seem to ask alot of their geologists, these shadowy gov't people!

he throws some "alien" rocks at the audience (to look at but not touch), goes off into tangeants about school prayer and an oppressive US supreme court, claims e-bola is an alien disease like AIDS...and wraps it up by saying that the NWO is--at the "large greys'" behest--dismantling world govts and telling countries *not* to make war on each other b/c they want it for themselves.

shrub, again we agree--this guy is hard to take seriously.

8/09/2006 02:12:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Irie said;
“Reform can’t cut it when a there’s a shadow, secret state pacing the reformers behind the curtain; the curtain itself needs to be torn away, all in one go, in order for the marks to see what a sham the whole thing is.”

Reform implies that the basic structures of current social contracts form an adequate base. If the basic structures are built on a false initial premise, then its like; bullshit in bullshit out.

Our basic structure, dualism, encourages coercion, compartmentalizing and success measured by ability to manipulate. Well; this is where it gets us.

8/09/2006 07:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's someone else's view of Phil as a summary, without totally grasping for straws or having a decided angle to sell, like above.

(By the way: to close siding with the Shrubageddon entity? Dude, I don't see how that "clearly establishes credibilty" as you pretend it does. You just proved enough to me, though, by your hard emotionalist review to be a disinformationalist (or the same person) anyway..

another summary of Phil without an ax to grind (or attempting to make an ax dull)

various Phil Schneider notes


1. "grid bed" nuclear engine, on reverse engineered saucers and Phoenix class submarines, the size of a stand up podium, each about 3000 lbs., each one of these capable of putting out as much power as "three aircraft carriers of Enterprise class." He says his father was instrumental in creating this. As I said, they are on the saucers. Thus at least every saucer/triangle tech you see has at the minimum the generator power of three aircraft carriers within it.

2. and there are 11 grid bed nuclear reactors on EACH of the 106 different Phoenix class subs. Thus, one sub with the power of 33 aircraft carriers generator power; U.S. has 106 of these; each capable of diving to 7000 feet, and HOLDING that for 3 months. Phil said he constructed various submarine bases in the Atlantic and Pacific as well.

3. "where are we getting the metal? well it's being stockpiled in a number of strategic locations. Well, supposedly it’s being mined on the moon [disbelieves it according to the tone of his voice], though I have no way of proving that one way or another. "I think we are getting it from Russia and/or refining it in outer space."….[he connects it to this, though as he said he is out of the loop on this, though he seems to be aware of secretive shuttle flights] “secret shuttle flights, one a week, going up and back. What are they shuttling, well obviously they got their own laboratories up there. remember that what you’re being told is only a smattering of the truth, perhaps 5% , perhaps not event that. You can rest assured it's not even much.’

4. some of the metals he mentions:

5. ALIEN METAL ONE: skaleno-hedral metal crystal of "niobium-titanium-rhenium-copper-oxide….This complex group of elements, not found on the earth, in specific quantities, this was...developed at Los Alamos through EG&G and other outfits, employed in all black jet aircraft, including the "sport model" flying saucer we see occasionally at Groom Lake."

6. ALIEN METAL TWO: another alien metal in the engines of such saucer craft dealing with propulsion: “it's a very light element, it's composed of lithium metal, as well as an alien element…[that’s]…a little heavier than hydrogen though a little lighter than helium, used in secretive methods of propulsion, additionally it’s “in the same peculiar skaleno-hedral form", the skaleno-hedral is definitely an alien element, or alien technology converted over to our technology. [from another video I have that is unavailable publicly at the Google Video group, he says that this "skaleno-hedral crystalline form..we got this from the Large Grays technology, uh, this is grown in the confines of outer space...temperatures in excess of 10,000 F., great for certain parts of aircraft...this kind of material I worked with on a daily basis." ; 11 times harder than a diamond, 70 times stronger than a diamond; temperatures above 10,000 F, employed as coating of windows in...aircraft that exceed mach 5.

7. ALIEN METAL THREE: myrrinite, element 123

8. ALIEN METAL FOUR: corbomite, element 140; “this is element 140, if you look at the local periodic table in your local library, you'll only find 104!” [with anger in his voice] he said 10 million degrees Fahrenheit durability for an amalgam of this one: “corbomite, the heaviest element in the world, element 140; this piece of material weighs 15 ounces, it’s 3 and a half times the weigh of uranium, it cannot be made to emit gamma rays; it cannot be isotoped; it is totally stable; it is used in all Stealth aircraft and all Phoenix class submarines; when combined with other alien elements, it is impregnable... it cannot be melted with charged particle beam weapon(s), when combined with secretive compounds, it can withstand temperatures in excess of 10,000,000 F, …grown by aliens, uh, er [how we got it is that].... some of their aliens have broken off their mainstream, and said we’re not getting a fair shake…and things like this happen. [i.e., giving it to humans]…"I'm talking about the Alien Grays, some of them have broken away. Talk about not being popular." “This particular piece of metal is an amazing piece of technology. Its capable of being grown in 15 different crystal systems, now I'm a geologist, and prior to 15 or 20 years ago, knew of only six crystal systems. There’s actually 15 if you count all the alien metals. Now this is element number 140. If you look at your local periodic table in your local library, you’ll see only 104. Somewhere down the line we have been lied to, we’ve been cheated. We must demand the truth. If we cannot do this, the only thing left is to overthrow. To get the parasites out. I don’t advocate overthrow, though it looks like this may be the only alternative [clapping in audience, very small, fearful]."

9. ALIEN METAL FIVE: the Roswell craft metal skin adapted "for our own technology.”

10. ALIEN METALS IN GENERAL: “Its capable of being grown in 15 different crystal systems, now I'm a geologist, and prior to 15 or 20 years ago, knew of only six crystal systems. There’s actually 15 if you count all the alien metals. Somewhere down the line we have been lied to, we’ve been cheated."

11. I’ve love to see that full chart he held up and alluded to in several talks, that the camera was unable to resolve any detail on the paper, he additionally pointed to a large board with it on it in his November 1995 talk.

12. "all these artifacts are fine though where is this all leading to? ...occasionally we'll get a new computer or maybe a quartz watch or little trinket--kind of like giving beads to the Indians hundreds of years ago.”

13. Fascinating that the top alien element gets into Star Trek 1960s episodes: that "corbomite device" episode. Kirk bluffs aliens that if they destroyed the Enterprise it would blow up and kill them because secretly, without any evidence in the ship plans, there is a "corbomite device" that would explode and take them out.


1. Under the Masonic muraled NWO-esque Denver International Airport (with its “glorious” pictures of dead "colored" adults of races in graves and happy children of all races in the world)---"eight levels underneath Denver International Airport tarmac or cementmac there,…”

2. 131 in U.S.

3. 127 in the lower 48

4. all connected with mach 2 maglev trains, a parallel military nation so to speak.

5. all connected with 2 to four lane, narrow lane, roads as well

6. tunneling tools create 28 foot round diameter tunnels, can tunnel at the rate of 7 miles a day. Says the quarter mile a day quote is a lie and refers to old capacities-- “WWI and WWII” technology.” Laser/maser nuclear powered tunneling machine, deflaggerate the rock into a fine powder, then heat seal it to the walls as it goes by, looking something like “an artificial agate” he says

7. DUMBs (Deep Underground Military Bases) are very much a North American Union thing instead of only U.S. “some in Canada, I'm not counting those. some in northern Mexico. I’m not counting those either.” [in the 131 total as of 1995]

8. personnel in each base runs from 1800-10000 people, paid from 4,000 to 40,000 a month to keep them quiet, quite a bit for military personnel

9. he mentions various costs in his talks from 17-31 billion dollars for the average DUMB base, average taking 2 years to build

10. "...some very large ones now being built in Sweden, [“This one will take five years to build”, Phil's speaking in 1995]…one of which is reputed to be 30 cubic miles, ....costing 2 trillion dollars, and that's all being supplied by the United Nations."

11. the U.S. DUMB base maintenance is only around 1/4 of the yearly black budget

12. 9 DUMBs at Nellis AFB, that's in Nevada, north of Las Vegas

13. 9 at Groom Lake

14. state of Nevada "81% managed or owned by the federal government"

15. Popular Science article on Groom Lake...”one of the editors of Popular Science who put this out is now in federal prison."

16. "book called _Stealth Fighter Pilot, this at B. Daltons--this one actually was sent me by the publisher--I was a test pilot [of Stealth], just running it back and forth on the tarmac actually, picture of me here, in uniform, [he rolls his eyes, shakes his head a bit, like this was a different life he totally is amazed and regretful he was ever so dumb or gullible to do it for these people..]

17. the prisoner boxcars being built across 11 different U.S. steel manufactuers, totalling around 15 million handcuff sets total, around 100,000 boxcars being built total. He said some were being built at Gunderson in Portland, Oregon, he saw personally when a friend came to him who worked there and with panic in his voice wanted to show it to him. In another video, he said, “d'you know what their called? 'United Nations prisoner transfer cars'. That's appropriate I guess."


1 "some of them have a difficulty in understanding our language. It’s too slow to them. If you've heard whale song or bird chirping at high speeds it's about what these aliens sound like audially (sic) to us, so it's a bunch of gibberish..."
2 “11 [alien]... civilizations visiting this planet all the time, 9 of which are not good, 2 benevolent, (he repeats the 9:2 ratio in another talk months later, though in between says 7:4 in another talk). Thus, in two of his talks he sticks to the “2 benevolent, 9 malevolent” ratio and in one of his talks, said “one of the benevolent is the Pleiadicians [from the Pleiades]."

3 Alien Val(ient) Thor(ne), Pentagon alien, in "Navy and military operations from either 1937 or 1938--is what I've been told...anyway, he basically hasn't changed. He lives for 490 years, that what he says. Basically a human looking type person, six fingers six toes, one oversized heart, one lung, giant lung, blood vessels are bigger, he's got copper-oxide blood like an octopus,....brain capacity 300 cm greater than ours, IQ, if you are to measure it would be totally off the scale--around 1200 IQ, speaks 100 languages fluently, alien as well as [human language] others. He’s a remarkable person, I had the chance to meet him one time. Now, uh, by the way he doesn't shake hands, he's kinda in a spacesuit--all aliens, benevolent or otherwise are carrying germs and bacteria in and on them, that is deadly to us--if I was making policy I'd quarantine them all, because, because, how do we know that some of our diseases like AIDS, Ebola, uh, Hanta virus... how do we know that these are not biological weapons made from the cadavers of these aliens to attack the people of the United States?...Now what I'm telling you is kind of a brain overload here..." Another quote: “Val Thor reputed to be a Venusian, others say Pleidedian, six fingers and toes, one oversized lung, oversized heart, bones are bigger,..."

4 Bikini Atoll “atom bomb test” may have been the cover story for an attempt to "burn out" an alien base there.

5 “ok. Back in 1954, I’ll give you a quick overview. There was the 1954 Greada Treaty, where Eisenhower signed a pact, [unauthorized by Congress] with the known alien species of the time, there were three at the time, said, 'we’re going to deal with high technology and you can take a few cattle and few human beings, and you can experiment on them'--straight out the Nazi death camps and I’m kidding you not! It's plain b.s., and it's got to stop! The Greada Treaty has been violated, after, after, the great firefight, [which actually he seems to have started by shooting first, from his admitted view of events!] of the alien-human war [1979 Dulce issue once more].


1. "at least since 1966, a well known fact" that the U.S. and Russia working together on weather modification.

2. "and its well employed, and they can literally weather modify a hurricane or a tornado out of existence, and the reason they don't is pretty obvious, and they can put an atmospheric bomb in a plane and fly it into a hurricane [and set off or drop the bomb] and it would completely dissipate the hurricane, and we don't do this of course [either], and there's probably reasons we don't, to see what kind of havoc it creates, and study the havoc, and [with disgusted sound in his voice] we go from there...'

8/09/2006 08:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone ever called you a psychopath, Shrub?

As a matter of fact, yes they have, and more.

My immediate family, i.e. Mother, Borthers and Sisters, adn In-Laws. See, I told them the Republican Party does give a Rat's Ass about them, and they promptly told me to in exact words "go back to your cave, Osamma!!" This was a month after 911.

Needless to say, I took it as a compliment, just as I take your insults here as a compliment. I must be hitting bone and nerve for you to comment in this manner, and I take that as a positive sign that it's working.

8/09/2006 08:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks, cuttlefish for more information! All in all, that sub thread arond Limnizer is really astounding, in all the ramifications (NATO-CIA-Nazis-he's right in the middle of the overlaps, and a good example of the overlaps in how incestuous (and small!) the whole thing is, despite its large ramifications. "Post-national politics" people getting inserted into national state governments.

It really does come down to a single roomful of evil people almost.

8/09/2006 09:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

shrub, again we agree--this guy is hard to take seriously.

Nice debunking, by the way. My sentiments, exactly.

It seems like classic disinfo, if you ask me, yet the Anony I think is Mojo Filter claims I'm the disinfo. Go figure.

Disinfo people aren't interested in a Solution, or Solutions to it all, rather their goal is to lead you down an endless, shadowy path of Containment.

8/09/2006 09:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Iridescent Cuttlefish:

I take it that you are firm in your conviction that the Black Triangles are indeed tangible Advanced Technology, as opposed to deliberately induced perceptions, i.e. Magic?

Am I correct in that assumption? If so, what are your feelings in regards to Magic and the Supernatural. Is it, as some claim, or imply, just Advanced Technology. In otherwords, is Magic and/or the Supernatural just another way of operating/navigating in the physical realm?

Also, what are your thoughts and/or feelings on Prescott Bush's role in what you have related in regards to Lemnitzer, The Nazis, Operation Paperclip, and the Establishment of The Military-Industrial Complex?

Fond Regards,


8/09/2006 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Needless to say, I took it as a compliment, just as I take your insults here as a compliment. I must be hitting bone and nerve for you to comment in this manner, and I take that as a positive sign that it's working. Needless to say, I took it as a compliment...

Er, no. Now you really worry me, as I'm sure you worry everyone you come across.

With that gleeful reaction, and the fact that you gleefully confirm others have called you a psychopath, it's just a positive sign you're a psychopath. Exhibit B.

Just so you can read it yourself, here's a definition of a psychopath.

Psychopathy is a term derived from the Greek psych (mind) and pathos (suffering), and was once used to denote any form of mental illness. These days, psychopathy is defined in psychiatry as a condition characterised by lack of empathy or conscience, poor impulse control and manipulative behaviors. Though in widespread use as a psychiatric term, psychopathy has no true equivalent[1] in either the DSM-IV-TR, where it is most strongly correlated with antisocial personality disorder, or the ICD-10, where it is correlated with dissocial personality disorder.

In current, clinical, use, psychopathy is most commonly diagnosed using Robert D. Hare's Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R). Hare describes psychopaths as, "intraspecies predators who use charm, manipulation, intimidation, and violence to control others and to satisfy their own selfish needs. Lacking in conscience and in feelings for others, they cold-bloodedly take what they want and do as they please, [as you have so repeatedly demonstrated] violating social norms and expectations without the slightest sense of guilt or regret."[2]

Outside of that, in common parlance, the term psychopathy can take on broader meanings, often being confused with psychosis, particularly by the use of the abbreviation psycho. People commonly take "psychopath" to be interchangeable with their personal perception of an evil person.

And I would add, your extreme joy of "baiting" for only one emotion from others would be called "transactional game playing" which is different. Overall, you seem a psychopath caught in your own transactional games. You don't really have conversations with anyone.

For instance what you said:

"...took it as a compliment, just as I take your insults here as a compliment. I must be hitting bone and nerve for you to comment in this manner, and I take that as a positive sign"

That you take it "as a positive sign" says nothing about me, and more about you. No. I'm pretty nonplussed by you, it's sort of like white noise. I simply find you behavior disruptive and non-sequitur. From other people you say you have contact with, and the actions you gleefully describe with them, you seem to be playing the same game with them as well. You're a broken record.

And your transactional game playing:

Transactions and Strokes

* Transactions are the flow of communication, and more specifically the unspoken psychological flow of communication that runs in parallel.

* Transactions occur simultaneously at both explicit and psychological levels. Example: sweet caring voice with sarcastic intent. To read the real communication requires both surface and non-verbal reading.

* Strokes are the recognition, attention or responsiveness that one person gives another. Strokes can be positive (nicknamed "warm fuzzies") or negative ("cold pricklies"). A key idea is that people hunger for recognition, and that lacking positive strokes, will seek whatever kind they can, even if it is recognition of a negative kind. We test out as children what strategies and behaviours seem to get us strokes, of whatever kind we can get.

People often create pressure in (or experience pressure from) others to communicate in a way that matches their style, so that a boss who talks to his staff as a controlling parent will often engender self-abasement or other childlike responses. Those employees who resist may get removed or labeled as "trouble".

Transactions can be experienced as positive or negative depending on the nature of the strokes within them. However, a negative transaction is preferred to no transaction at all, because of a fundamental hunger for strokes.

8/09/2006 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A correction.

I meant to say the Republican Party does NOT give a Rat's Ass about them.

Please forgive me that significant slip.

8/09/2006 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anony 9:30,

I think it is clear to most here who the Psychopath is. Not that the majority is always correct, and not that it renders your comments any less beneficial, but I would be hesitant to allow you around my children, or let you play with matches.



8/09/2006 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jon said to Shrub:

"I couldn't let your "a priest is a prostitute for a prostituted god" BS go without comment a while back"

Actually, I said that, though Shrub did agree with me if I recall.

I admit that I was in a fairly dark mood the day I posted that, and recognize that it is a rather broad generalization (and more than a bit inflammatory).

However, and with respect for your right to hold whatever faith resonates with you, I still have a deep distrust of anyone who would claim to be a middleman for the divine. I know that this is not the sole function of a priest, but it is what I would consider to be the defining characteristic. That which sets them apart from, say, a counselor or social worker.

Also, while I made the comment within the context of a debate surrounding the Catholic Church, I did not mean to imply that I was singling out priests of that faith. I just think that the world could do with a lot less of the top-down mindset in general.

Not sure if this just more fuel for the fire, I don't intend it as such, but it is my honest opinion.

8/09/2006 10:54:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Very good question, Shrubageddon: I don't really have any firm conviction one way or the other. Clarke's Law, and even Pratchett's clever inversion of it, seems to indicate that perception is ultimately more crucial than the external reality it seeks to interpret. (Not that standing in front of a laser/maser/particle beam won't get you just as dead if you can't "see" it, like the natives who couldn't at first fit Magellan's ships into their conception of reality...) While I do believe that there does exist an enormous black ops industry, since its beginnings are so well documented, that is not to say that magic and its cousin illusion are not also employed for purposes of deception and the fostering of a healthy level of paranoia, false leads and hopelessness in the herd. Is "all of the above" an available option?

Jeff seems to be of (at least) two minds on this question as well. He sounds far more convinced of the schema laid out in Nick Cook's Hunt for Zero-Point than I was, and yet he also dabbles far more in the slimy waters of the occult than I'm willing to yet. This is also a bit paradoxical, since Jeff seems to have a very strong aversion to the work of Robert Anton Wilson, due to Wilson's "involvement" with the OTO, while I have always regarded Wilson as the purest agnostic in print. this is where it gets really weird. Jeff goes off exploring all this very creepy, blood-curdling stuff, which I haven't really yet (partially because it makes me reach for Mr. Kreosote's bucket) but also because it's an area which offers no footing firm enough, empirically, to say anything which can't be dissolved by mere words, and yet Wilson claims not to believe any of it. His Cosmic Trigger books are certainly far out, but they're also very down to earth, grounded as Wilson is in skepticism. On top of which, he's just so damned funny:

8/09/2006 11:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Phoenix class submarines"

The US Navy does not have a "phoenix class" submarine. There is a SSN 702 USS Phoenix which is a member of the Los Angles Class of submarines. This boat has been decommissioned as of July of '98. The Virginia class is currently the under sea trials and will succeed the LA class.

"'Tis a fine barn, but sure 'tis no pool, English."

8/09/2006 11:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's been almost 5 years since 9/11 and almost 5 years since I suspected our government. It's funny how people are starting to wake up and open their eyes. There were a slew of "coincidences" that occurred on that day, but funny I don't believe in "coincidence." And because of that I don't beleive it was a coincidence that so many morning shows were broadcasting live from New York city, complete with front row views as the Twin Towers fell. Another little factoid that seems to have escaped in the chaos.

8/09/2006 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Anon 12:39
I think you are talking about this event as if it was an entrainment device. For people that are struggling at coming out of the trance, it can be tough, as they may tend to not want to admit they were duped. The key is that all who bought into the non-state actors did this thing (crazy Arabs), during the time of emotional imprinting, have difficulties in reshaping their opinions.

8/09/2006 09:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Clueless and pointless quote from above:

The US Navy does not have a "phoenix class" submarine. There is a SSN 702 USS Phoenix which is a member of the Los Angles Class of submarines. This boat has been decommissioned as of July of '98. The Virginia class is currently the under sea trials and will succeed the LA class.

You mean to tell us to trust U.S. public military press releases on that? Did you just skip over the whole Limnizer discussion AND black operations discussions?

What kind of willing idiots or dupes do you take us for?

UFO Pentagon Hacker Tells What He Found
By Nigel Watson

The search for proof of the existence of UFOs landed Gary McKinnon in a world of trouble.

After allegedly hacking into NASA websites -- where he says he found images of what looked like extraterrestrial spaceships -- the 40-year-old Briton faces extradition to the United States from his North London home. If convicted, McKinnon could receive a 70-year prison term and up to $2 million in fines.

Final paperwork in the case is due this week, after which the British home secretary will rule on the extradition request.

McKinnon, whose extensive search through U.S. computer networks was allegedly conducted between February 2001 and March 2002, picked a particularly poor time to expose U.S. national security failings in light of the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

McKinnon tells what he found and discusses the motivation behind his online adventures in this exclusive phone interview with Wired News.

Wired News: What was your motive or inspiration for carrying out your computer hacking? Was it the War Games movie?

Gary McKinnon: This is a bit of a red herring. I have seen it but I wasn't inspired by it. My main inspiration was The Hacker's Handbook by Hugo Cornwall. The first edition that I read was too full of information.... It had to be banned, and it was reissued without the sensitive stuff in it.

WN: Without this book would you have been able to do it?

McKinnon: I would have done it anyway because I used the internet to get useful information. The book just kick-started me. Hacking for me was just a means to an end.

WN: In what way?

McKinnon: I knew that governments suppressed antigravity, UFO-related technologies, free energy or what they call zero-point energy. This should not be kept hidden from the public when pensioners can't pay their fuel bills.

WN: Did you find anything in your search for evidence of UFOs?

McKinnon: Certainly did. There is The Disclosure Project. This is a book with 400 testimonials from everyone from air traffic controllers to those responsible for launching nuclear missiles. Very credible witnesses. They talk about reverse-(engineered) technology taken from captured or destroyed alien craft.

WN: Like the Roswell incident of 1947?

McKinnon: I assume that was the first and assume there have been others. These relied-upon people have given solid evidence.

WN: What sort of evidence?

McKinnon: A NASA photographic expert said that there was a Building 8 at Johnson Space Center where they regularly airbrushed out images of UFOs from the high-resolution satellite imaging. I logged on to NASA and was able to access this department. They had huge, high-resolution images stored in their picture files. They had filtered and unfiltered, or processed and unprocessed, files.

My dialup 56K connection was very slow trying to download one of these picture files. As this was happening, I had remote control of their desktop, and by adjusting it to 4-bit color and low screen resolution, I was able to briefly see one of these pictures. It was a silvery, cigar-shaped object with geodesic spheres on either side. There were no visible seams or riveting. There was no reference to the size of the object and the picture was taken presumably by a satellite looking down on it. The object didn't look manmade or anything like what we have created.
Because I was using a Java application, I could only get a screenshot of the picture -- it did not go into my temporary internet files. At my crowning moment, someone at NASA discovered what I was doing and I was disconnected.

I also got access to Excel spreadsheets. One was titled "Non-Terrestrial Officers." It contained names and ranks of U.S. Air Force personnel who are not registered anywhere else. It also contained information about ship-to-ship transfers, but I've never seen the names of these ships noted anywhere else.

WN: Could this have been some sort of military strategy game or outline of hypothetical situations?

McKinnon: The military want to have military dominance of space. What I found could be a game -- it's hard to know for certain.

WN: Some say that you have given the UFO motivation for your hacking as a distraction from more nefarious activities.

McKinnon: I was looking before and after 9/11. If I had wanted to distract anyone, I would not have chosen ufology, as this opens me up to ridicule.

WN: Tell me about your experiences with law enforcement and the procedures you have gone through.

McKinnon: I was arrested by the British National Hi Tech Crime Unit in March 2002. They held me in custody for about six or seven hours. My own computer and ones I was fixing for other people were taken away. The other machines were eventually returned, but they kept my hard drive that was sent to the U.S. It was November 2002 when the U.S. Department of Justice started their efforts to extradite me.

WN: The British Crown Prosecution Service dropped charges against you because your activities did not involve British computers.

McKinnon: I was to be officially charged in 2003 but a warrant wasn't given until 2004.... In June or July 2005, I was scooped from the street by Scotland Yard. I was kept at Belgravia Police Station overnight. I just wore what I had on when I was out; I didn't get a chance to wear a suit in court. I was given police bail.

WN: When will they make a decision about extradition?

McKinnon: It's down to the Home Secretary, John Reid. The deadline for representations is 21 June 2006. Even after that date, it could be as much as 11 months for him to decide on my fate.

WN: How have you been coping?

McKinnon: God, it's very worrying and stressful. It's been worse because I'm unemployed. I worked on and off in IT, contracting and stuff, before this, but no one will touch me with a large barge pole now.,71182-0.html? tw=wn_technology_1

8/10/2006 10:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The US Navy does not have a "phoenix class" submarine. There is a SSN 702 USS Phoenix which is a member of the Los Angles Class of submarines."
I know people who've worked in Groton, CT for years. There's no such animal as a Phoenix class submarine in the US Navy. There's no point in a boat better than the Seawolf or Virginia class. The US is years ahead of any nation in submarine tech. MIT and the dept. of the Navy have already field tested a SONAR that makes the ocean completely transparent (as far as imaging goes).You can't hide beneath the waves anymore, even in the thermoclinic layers. Believe what you want, I'm sure you will, but your source is tainted.

8/10/2006 01:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The whole freaking U.S. military is tainted, buddy.

The U.S. has no enemies. None. No dangers from anyone. Except the tyrants who are currently running it.

It is a military hegemon that outspends its next 10 or so competitors many times over, and the only wars the U.S. fight are rigged wars of an adult armed bully that likes to take pot shots at little kids on the playground and call it "discipline." It's sick.

You believe what you want, Mr. Uber Alles. If you think public U.S. military press releases are a comfortable rosary, then go pray at the Pentagon wailing wall while you're at it--you know the wall they hit themselves back on 9-11 and then "honestly" tell you that some foreign terrorists did it who are unable to fly planes. Gullible to the last.

Stop expecting anyone to swallow that someone is going to let low grade maintenance mechanics be 'in the know' on such things, much less allow them to talk about such things if they ever do know.

You fail to understand or wish to misconstrue two points: the huge compartmentalization of knowledge in the U.S. military's technical operations as well as its systemic financial fraud.

If the Pentagon admits that it is "missing" over three TRILLION dollars of legal funds, you can imagine what has been holed away in the black budgets.

Moreover, it has been recently reported like any criminal syndicate the U.S. has been keeping double books.

Feds Keep 2 Sets Of Books - What's The Real Federal Deficit?

The set the government promotes to the public has a healthier bottom line: a $318 billion deficit in 2005. The set the government doesn't talk about is the audited financial statement produced by the government's accountants following standard accounting rules. It reports a more ominous financial picture: a $760 billion deficit for 2005. If Social Security and Medicare were included — as the board that sets accounting rules is considering — the federal deficit would have been $3.5 trillion.

Congress has written its own accounting rules — which would be illegal for a corporation to use...


Don't give us the "sworn honest statements of government workers" in its employ in any shape or form. It has lost all credibility. Trust the "outs" instead. Mistrust all who get it's paychecks.

If all that money goes somewhere, it's definitely supporting this parallel black ops reverse alien tech military operation that is out to conquer the world and destroy the U.S. as its first victim, instead of its last.

Read The Disclosure Project while your at it.

And read the very first comment here (not mine actually!) while you're at it for effect.

8/11/2006 01:51:00 AM  
Blogger Christopher said...

I hate to add a comment at this point after not being able to read all 161 of the previous comments but here I am. I was kicked off of DailyKos for defending someone for having a 9/11 diary. I defended the person because he was naive, clearly young and didn't get that certain subjects are forbidden. He was flamed with obsenity and the most callous kinds of insults. After that I was insultd in the kind of way people insult each other in order to get into a bar-fight, just for defending the guy. I was, at the same time, defending the site for banning the subject (Kos has every right to structure his site the way he wants it) while encouraging people to have an open mind and stop being abusive. What amazed me was the virulence of the anger, completely out of proportion to the matter at hand. Some of them thought I was a right-winger trying to discredit the site by encouraging bizarre conspiracy theories. There is a whole apparat in the blogosphere we are all familiar with that is not much difference (just verbally more brutal) than the ones in "real" life.

I find that most educated people are offended if you bring up 9/11. I find that even if you pointing out the most obvious and glaring discrepancies it sounds to them like you are insulting their mother and they are ready to pull out a gun. What is this incredible attanchment to the official 9/11 myth? Clearly most people in the educated elite have lost their reason and are bewitched.

8/14/2006 04:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not a reader of Kos - not for any reason "for" or "against" it I just haven't been on the site more than a few times.

There may be good reasons for prohibiting certain topics - and it is certainly his perogative.

But 9-11 is such an important foundational event that without understanding it, it is impossible to adequately interpret everything else happening - Israel/Lebanon, oil depletion, Iraq, civil liberties, you name it.

Our task is to create an accurate "mental map" of the world, as Michael Ruppert or the psychologist M. Scott Peck might put it.

What is most exasperating about almost all discourse on contemporary topics is that there is an implict acceptance of the government's basic official conspiracy theory. This is what grates and gnaws when reading someone like David Corn of the Nation or any NYT piece. Everything changes when you take the assumptions away. EVERYTHIMG.

8/16/2006 06:55:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Christopher, I guess as long as people can label you they can discount any potential substance in the words you may assemble to make a point.

Emotional stasis caused by reliance on fixed categories, that’s my bet.

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