Thursday, August 17, 2006

The Massacre of the Innocents

The truth will cause your heart to seize - Anti-Flag

You're a Belgian, and it's 1985. For three years, the province of Brabant has been traumatized by an unexplained wave of exceptionally brutal assaults upon unexceptional targets (supermarkets, restaurants, factories; the common places of ordinary people). Theft is not the motive; only small amounts of money are stolen by the hooded men, seemingly for incident, and often found dumped soon after. The motive is only terror.

From Daniele Ganser's description of the final attack, November 9, on the Delhaize supermarket in Aalst:

A prominent day in the Christmas season, November 9 is St Martin's day in Belgium, the local Santa Claus, and children on the night before leave carrots in front of the house for the horse of St Martin and go to bed with wishes for wonderful Christmas presents. The next morning, a busy Saturday, people hurried to the Delhaize supermarket to make their last minute purchases. What happened thereafter was reconstructed from the testimony of witnesses. A Volkswagon GTI was parked outside the supermarket and three armed men with hoods over their heads came out of the car. The tallest of the three produced a pump-action shotgun, opened fire at point blank range and finished off in cold blood two shoppers instantly. Upon reaching the checkout counter he began to fire randomly at anything that moved. "I saw three masked men coming out at the rear. A man said to his child "Drop down! There they are! ... One bystander who tried to flee was shot at, seven or eight bullets through his car and a shot grazing behind the ear." Total panic reigned. "One woman whose face was covered in blood, was screaming something about her child. I don't know exactly what." There was little cover or shelter for the terrified shoppers in the aisles of the supermarket from the three masked gunmen. In the ensuing massacre eight people, including a whole family, died, and seven more were injured. A husband and wife and their 14-year-old daughter were finished off in cold blood at the supermarket checkout. Another father and his nine-year old daughter were killed in their car trying to flee. The takings from the raid amounted to a meagre couple of thousand pounds, found later in a canal in an unopened sack. The killers escaped without a trace and have not been identified, nor arrested, nor tried ever since. The actors behind the series known as the Brabant massacres remain unidentified until today.

But that's not all we know.

In 1990 a parliamentary report into the massacres concluded that the killers were members or former members of the security forces: "extreme right-wingers who enjoyed high-level protection and were preparing a right-wing coup," wrote Phil Davidson in Britain's The Independent on Sunday. "The Brebant killings were part of a conspiracy to destabilize Belgium's democratic regime, possibly to prepare the ground for a right-wing coup." Just months later, the hidden architecture of fascist terror was revealed when Belgium's secret "stay behind" army - its own Gladio network - was disclosed. (It's from Ganser's NATO's Secret Armies, which tells similar stories from all across Western Europe, that the above excerpt is drawn.)

A militant branch of Belgium's extreme right-wing Front de la Jeunesse, the FJ, was called "Group G," as it was almost entirely composed of members of the Belgian Gendarmerie. The Gendarmes were also members of the military secret service, which was directed by the same branch that ran Belgium's secret army. By 1979 Group G was renamed the Westland New Post, but it remained distinct in its members' roll of military secret police. Its commander during the massacres was a man named Paul Latinus, who had been recruited in 1967 at the age of 17 by the US Defence Intelligence Agency, and until a left-wing magazine exposed him in 1981 had worked as an advisor to the Labour Minister.

In Allan Francovich's 1992 documentary Gladio he interviewed one of Group G's first members, Gendarme Martial Lekeu, who fled to Florida in 1984 after threats against his family. Lekeu testified that in 1983 he had gone to the special branch investigating the massacres with information implicating the secret service. "I was surprised that no arrests had been been made and I know that I did report myself what was going on," he told Francovich, as quoted by Ganser. "We were respecting killing like that - random killing or going into supermarkets and killing people, even kids.... So I told a gentleman I met: 'Do you realize members of the Gendarmerie of the army are involved in that?' His answer was 'Shut up! You know, we know. Take care of your own business. Get out of here!' What they were saying was that democracy was going away, the leftists were in power, the socialists and all this, and they wanted more power."

WNP member Michel Libert explained to Francovich that "One received orders. We can go back to, say, 1982. From 1982 to 1985, there were projects." Sensitive projects. He claimed he had been directed to case supermarkets: "What kind of locks are there? What sort of protection do they have that they could interfere with our operations? Does the store manager lock up? Or do they use an outside security company?" His superior told him that "You, Mr Libert, know nothing about why we're doing this. Nothing at all. All we ask is that your group, with cover from the Gendarmerie, with cover from Security, carry out a job." He adds: "We carried out the orders and sent in our reports."

From Florida, Lekeau said "the guns they were using were coming from far away and that's exactly what we had planned, to organize gangs and groups like that and let them go by themselves, but make sure they will survive and make sure to supply them and you know just to create a climate of terror in the country - [a] so-called 'Left movement" who will do a terrorist attempt just to make-believe, make the population believe that these terrorist attempts were done by the left."

Now, you're an American, and it's 2006.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, with the combined right wing politics of the neoNazis in power in Europe and America wanting destabalization, it's interesting that the whole "pedophrocacy" is very right wing linked up as well.

Same network, another level of it:

"The case of abduction and murder against Belgium's infamous Marc Dutroux remains unresolved. He has not been brought to book for these heinous crimes. There appears to be a steel veil drawn over the facts at the highest level and no one is prepared to expose those involved in this blatant cover-up...The official answer is that a series of hysterial conspiracy theories forced investigators to search for paedophile networks, which didn't exist. But for observers of this debacle, that's exactly what didn't happen. Far from being investigated, leads pointing to a network seem to have been blocked or buried."
--Olenka Frenkiel for the BBC, May 2, 2002

read the first 30 pages or so of David McGowans book on how all the "pedophocracy" links up to state sponsored MKULTRA, satanic rituals, right wing fascist politics, occult networks, organized crime, drug muling, ....


8/17/2006 12:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well,if they're gonna do something they have less than three months before the November 7th Election, so they better start saddling up, eh?

8/17/2006 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



8/17/2006 01:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reinhard Gehlen was largely responsible for setting up NATO's intelligence structures in the late 40's and 50's, including the stay-behind/Gladio groups, which is why they were dominated by old fascists.

(Although the germ of the idea seems likely to have originated with Allen Dulles, who spent World War I as a young State Department punk in Switzerland, working with Slavic nationalists who were looking to throw off the yoke of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.)

Gehlen retired as head of the German Intelligence Bureau in 1968, and around that same time -- there being no Communist yoke in Western Europe to throw off, and not much chance of one developing -- Gladio got reoriented towards Strategy of Tension operations, intended to destabilize left-wing governments in general.

General Limnitzer was another figure closely involved with Allen Dulles and the creation of the stay-behind networks. (I believe it was something posted here last week that got me looking into Lemnitzer.)

Lemnitzer went from stay-behind to plotting Operation Northwoods in 1962, then became supreme commander of NATO from 1963-69 (during Gehlen's final years), and did a final turn in the middle 70's with the Committee on the Present Danger -- a group which was pivotal in George H.W. Bush's creation of an alliance among the CIA, the crazy anti-communist generals, and the fledgling Neocons.

Alexander Haig served as supreme commander of NATO just a few years after Lemnitzer, from 1974-79. He and Kissinger are alleged to have started directing funding to Gladio by 1973, when Haig was Nixon's chief of staff. There are also claims that both of them, as well as Bush, were involved with P2.

Gladio reached its climax of activity in 1978-81, coinciding with the end of Haig's period at NATO, his involvement in the Reagan-Bush presidential campaign, and his brief but infamous period as Reagan's Secretary of State.

There is a very tight line of development here -- with Dulles, Lemnitzer, and Gehlen at one end and Bush and Haig at the other -- that suggests a single directing vision among a small group of individuals over a period of 30 years.

It's what's happened since then, though, with things apparently spinning out of control, as in Belgum, that raises real questions of who, if anyone, is now running the show -- and what their motivations may be.

8/17/2006 01:55:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Very nice, starroute: I hadn't read your post while I was dithering over this one, but it, too, is a piece of the increasingly nasty Nazi puzzle. I was just going to add some more myself, coincidentally enough. (Even more coincidental, I posted some of that Lemnitzer/Gladio/Gehlen/Globke stuff last week, but only after someone else had prodded me into it with an "unrelated" Northwoods question...the wicked webs they weave.)

Strange synchronicities abound. In the past week I’ve been arguing with an Israeli blogger in a seemingly futile attempt to convince him of the painful irony of his unquestioning support for the Leader’s War On Terror and the Existing World Order for which it stands, especially in light of the warm and cozy relationship with the Nazis which the secret state within the state has traditionally had. When I pressed the issue of the influence of the Nazi Hydra in America on domestic and foreign policy since the war and more recently in the amazing growth of rightwing rhetoric (with its classic themes of murderous, enslaving socialism, the 100 million martyred Christians, and the eternally recurring Protocols) in many of the most popular "conspiracy & shocking revelation" sites on the internet, he refused to even consider the basic premise of Operation Paperclip; the reluctance to confront the dissonance was palpable.

He maintained that the only possibility for such an extraordinary claim was the facile dismissal of "crackpot theorists" offered by a guy presenting himself as a "freelance science writer" and professor (of unnamed studies) at the University of Münster, who explained that conspiracy theories were the product of diseased minds, and that since only a diseased mind could harbor something as insane as an "alternate version" of reality as we know it, our reality must be exactly as it seems. Amazing, circular logic.

When I persisted by pointing to the growing chorus of rightwing, 1950s-style anticommunist propaganda on sites as diverse and popular as Rense & Icke as evidence that the fascism from Paperclip had evolved, with a larval adolescence in the Reagan/Bush I years, into a fully modern, etheric phenomenon, he ended our brief correspondence by informing me that "Republicans = Nazis" is a "juvenile" meme.

Where things get synchronous is that while these discussions were stubbornly refusing to bear fruit, I was simultaneously engaged here at RigInt with attempting to convince folks who had long since discarded the official story that the virulent anti-socialist memes "planted" by military intelligence at Rense & Icke were in fact surplus CIA propaganda left over from Radio Free Europe campaigns and that "mission accomplished" might soon be if more attention was not paid to not repeating the Leader's words. When I began to hear familiar voices prattle on about the "choices that capitalism offered," I had to cringe and just pray they didn't start advocating the privatization of Social Security (hell, it's got "social" in it, doesn't it?)

But then the frightening Nazi synchronicity finally crystallized for me when Jeff wrote this piece about rightwing terror to soften up the public and discredit the Left in Belgium...1985. I was only a few miles from Bitburg in 1985, and Ronnie's speeches there can only now be fully clear to me. At the time, the Germans in the pub I talked to about Reagan's tear-filled performance at Bergen-Belsen, where he appeared to get all misty-eyed while reading some free verse off a notecard ("Here they lie. Never to hope. Never to pray. Never to love. Never to heal. Never to laugh. Never to cry."), asked me if I thought he was on drugs, or if his acting skills had possibly just deteriorated badly.

Robert Parry discusses some of this in his 1999 review of Edmund Morris' Reagan biography, Dutch:

But Reagan’s real secret was an open one: how his Cold War obsession led him to coddle an unsavory collection of right-wing psychopaths, including death squad operatives who engaged in genocide, neo-fascists who relished bizarre torture techniques, and drug traffickers who seized a rich geopolitical business opportunity.

Parry's review is interesting now because in it he's talking about the relevance of Ronnie's fascism to the aspirations of the Repugnant Ones in taking back the White House in 2000, to "finish what Reagan started."

So now, 6 years later, I guess it's pretty clear that this is exactly what the (current) Leader set out to do. Once again, Jeff ties it all together. Thanks, Dude!

8/17/2006 02:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The STATUS QUO shall be maintained.
If you get in the way,like Stalin said,"Death solves all problems, No Man No Problem."

Pim was killed by the powers that be in control (covert and overt) who feared losing power.The saw him as a threat to be eliminated.
Assassination Silences a Powerful Voice

Restrictionist politician Pim Fortuyn
murdered on eve of reaching power

pim fortuyn with cigar Telling the truth about excessive immigration — that it causes rapid overpopulation and social fracturing — has not been a path to popularity in these politically correct times. The mildest suggestion that a policy that may have been beneficial in the 19th century has overgrown its usefulness immediately brings accusations of racism and xenophobia. Of course, even immigration lawyers know better than to advocate overpopulation, so hurling hateful epithets remains a basic strategy.

However, words have power and if someone is called a racist often enough, an impressionable mind may decide that saving the world from the latest Hitler will require that person's murder.

Some version of that scenario appears to have taken place in the Netherlands on May 6, 2002, with the political assassination of Pim Fortuyn, a rising star in Dutch politics who could possibly have become the next Prime Minister. A man identified only as an "animal rights activist" shot him down in the street near a radio station.

Certainly Professor Fortuyn's notoriety played a part in his being targeted. Both the media and Dutch politicians in the ruling party attacked him mercilessly in the most disparaging language. Prime Minister Wim Kok called him a fascist, as did the European press. Anyone who objects to massive Muslim immigration is branded automatically as a racist, xenophobe and fascist. Mr. Fortuyn was regularly compared with real right-winger Jean Le Pen, although aside from the immigration issue, the men had nothing in common.

Fortuyn Broke the Stereotype
Pim Fortuyn was a flamboyant gay man — hardly a jack-booted fascist as the media sought to portray him. He condemned Muslim immigration because those newcomers to Holland refused to assimilate to the socially liberal Netherlands society, in which gay sexuality is as acceptable as straight. Problems have been stressful in highly impacted Rotterdam, Fortuyn's home city, where the Muslim population is estimated to be as high as 45 percent. Fortuyn stated, "I have gay friends who have been beaten up by young Moroccans in Rotterdam." His immigration philosophy derived precisely because of the socially tolerant nature of the Netherlands, a quality he treasured and wanted to preserve.

Like many in Holland, Fortuyn did not want to live in a northern extension of Morocco. A recent poll found that 50 percent of young Dutch people want no more Muslim immigration. As Fortuyn remarked, "in Rotterdam we have third-generation Moroccans who still don't speak Dutch, oppress women and won't live by our values." While campaigning on the idea of ending Islamic immigration entirely, he believed that the government should do more to aid assimilation to Dutch society of Muslims who were already there. Interestingly, the second-in-command person in the political party Pim Fortuyn's List was a black Caribbean immigrant, Joao Varela. Differences were understood to be about culture, not race.

An outspoken gay man professing concern over the loss of Western values apparently gave headaches to many in the press, who like their stereotypes as simple as possible. Some chose to ignore Fortuyn's clear message about the threat to socially liberal Holland from authoritarian Islam and continued name-calling even after his assassination. The most stubbornly politically correct insisted on describing him as "extreme right wing" and "fascist" for his restrictionist views about immigration. Newspaper columnist Prof. dr B. Smalhout reflected on the media's role in demonizing the man before his murder: "Pim Fortuyn was made an outcast by politically correct Netherlands He was depicted as a fake professor, a second Hitler… a neo-Nazi, a narcissistic homosexual and a political outcast. Practically all the media took part, it was the fashionable thing to do, to have a go at Professor Pim."

Pim Fortuyn's Message
It is dangerous business to gaze into a crystal ball about what might have been. But a gay prime minister of a European nation who came to power on a platform of limiting immigration would have gotten major media attention in America, no doubt about it. And Professor Fortuyn was expert at presenting his views when given a chance. He was enormously popular among the Dutch, particularly the young. Numerous Dutch remarked that Fortuyn voiced sentiments that everyone had. Huge crowds appeared on the streets of Rotterdam after the assassination protesting the media and government's part in the death. (Despite many death threats, candidate Fortuyn was given no police protection.)

Against the Islamicization of Our Culture A prolific author and former sociology professor, one of his most popular books was the recent "Against the Islamicization of Our Culture." He called himself the Dutch Samuel Huntington, drawing attention to the similarity of views with those of the author of "The Clash of Civilizations," a book newly popular after the terrorist attacks, based on a 1993 Foreign Affairs article. Fortuyn remarked, "What we are witnessing now is a clash of civilizations, not just between states but within them."

The active presence of an elected Pim Fortuyn would have been enormously useful to refute the media stereotypes about the sort of person who supports immigration reduction. Fortuyn was certainly a social liberal in all categories other than immigration, favoring Dutch legality of soft drugs and euthanasia. Ever the independent thinker, he appreciated the economic policies of Margaret Thatcher.

Perhaps most importantly, Pim Fortuyn asked whether a society should welcome immigrants who disdain the culture of that nation and refuse to assimilate. Should women and gays, who have only recently received civil rights historically speaking, embrace millions who despise their freedom, even their existence? Why should citizens welcome a cultural group that threatens their rights and safety? As Professor Fortuyn observed, "I say multicultural society doesn't work. We're not living closer, we're living apart."

What a terrible pity that he is no longer here to voice such rare common sense.

— by Brenda Walker

Another pansy gets blamed and ALMOST no one is the wiser ....THe plot had backup shooters and was quite professional.

DEJA VU American Style

That monday night - May 6th - 2002 - when Dutch political comet - mr. Fortuyn - was shot, thousands
of people marched to the house of parliament and the government building where PM Wim Kok was presiding. "Fearing the worst" he later confirmed. The people demonstrated in their rage and shouted for
hours : "The Government killed him" and called the Wim Kok Government "Murderers" ! Scenes not seen in the Netherlands for hundreds of years. It was a medieval scene. Like a popular uprising of the bulk of the 1.6 million voters, which in protest coming May 15th would vote for a dead man : flamboyant Fortuyn.
"Fortuyn's death has pushed the Netherlands into its most serious domestic crisis since 1945. It is inevitable that emotions will run high as a result of this attack, but things have to be kept under control if we are to avoid further bloodshed", an editor of the Dutch pro government newspaper 'de Volkskrant' wrote in the hours directly after the assassination of Fortuyn.

During those same hours Dutch police and other "investigators" searched the home of the killed politician. According to people present - they were apparently also removing listening equipment and taking along Fortuyn's laptop computer. After returning the laptop out of order month's later, in the laptop-PC - according to friends and family many files had been deleted. A mountain of questions remains behind the military-industrial complex's, the corporate media's and "services" smoke screens and disinformation. Another enigma : the office of the accused killer vd G. was searched by the police on May 15th - NINE days later. And this after by telephone forewarning the other people working there.
(Dutch National News Agency/WAGENINGEN (ANP)15.05.2002 - 18:33).

8/17/2006 03:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tangled WEB


Mr. van Traa made the unfortunate mistake to aim at a degree of exposure far exceeding his mandate which turned him into a liability to be neutralized.

This is the beginning of the parliamentary Van Traa report - section Amsterdam, of 1995, in which it is calculated that the yearly turn-over of illegal drugs centered in Holland is ... around 50 BILLION guilders at least, since many years. Nobody in Holland cares much, and indeed its cool business and 50 BILLION guilders a year turnover, of which a much larger part than legal stuff is profit. Also, it is well to reflect - for foreigners - that 50 BILLION guilders (minimally!) PER YEAR equals about 25% of the TOTAL yearly economical turnover.

Thus, Holland has become the Colombia of Europe - thanks to Dutch politicians, Dutch judges, Dutch attorneys of law, Dutch illegal dangerous and rich drugs dealers, and very much Dutch courage of the average Dutch.

And most of this illegal drugs-dealing in Holland is centered in Amsterdam, where it is protected ("gedoogd", the Dutch say, when they mean the drugs criminals have a direct link to the offcial institutions that rule the city, and indeed part of these institutions are ruled by criminals working for drugs dealers). So it is thanks to past and present mayors of Amsterdam, and past and present aldermen of Amsterdam (called in Dutch, ironically: WEThouders = LAWkeepers) of Amsterdam that in Amsterdam yearly BILLIONS are earned by the local drugs mafia.

Corruption pays - and a lot, and it is very easy, and the Amsterdam official institutions are rife with it.

Unfortunately - if you are happy enough to live outside Holland - to read how and why this has become possible in Amsterdam, you have to read Dutch.

Geting too close and failing to heed warnings.

8/17/2006 04:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why was Van Traa killed?

The different faces of terrorism.

Tying it all together

Having explored how dangerous terrorism is or can be to Western
societies, the next step in this descriptive phase consists of explaining how terrorism
relates to organized crime and to warfare.

1. Terrorism and Organized Crime

Narco-terrorism became in the past decade a fashionable term, but many
writers attributed many different meaning to this concept. This concept is the one that
immediately comes to mind when discussing terrorism and organized crime. However, the
purpose of mentioning organized crime in the present study should be clear. Organized
crime is examined in the light of political terrorism (as this concept was outlined in
Chapter I). In consequence, terrorist methods used for criminal purposes will be
disregarded, because they do not fall into the scope of this study. An excellent example
of the use of terrorist methods for criminal purposes are the Colombian cartels. At a
certain moment, some of those cartels were involved "terrorist" attacks against
the government, to oppose the vote of an extradition and law enforcement cooperation
treaty with the United States. Strictly speaking, there is a political project, but it is
so limited and so closely related to crime activities, which is the core- activity of the
cartel, that it does not make sense to attribute political motives.

As a general rule, we can say that terrorists, in order to pose a real
threat, need access to large sums of money. Safe houses, cars, explosives, remuneration,
false passports are just a few of the expenses terrorist organizations are facing. This
makes it easy to understand that often, terrorist organizations are involved in organized
crime activities. Laqueur points out that robberies, kidnappings for ransom and especially
the drug trade, are activities with which many terrorist groups are quite familiar.

The French Terrorism expert Xavier Raufer sees an evolution in
world-wide terrorism: whereas in the 70's and 80's, the terrorist scene was dominated by
"guerilla parties", who lasted in time, had strict command structures, could be
understood in the political context Of the Cold War, and often were state-sponsored, the
last decade on the contrary has been characterized by more loosely organized terrorist
entities, using primitive weaponry, and involved in much smaller conflicts world-wide. He
refers to them as " new, hybrid entities" or "gangsterrorists". The
core idea is that, for this new type of groups, the political and criminal dimension of
their activities becomes extremely vague. His main examples are the PKK (Kurdistan Workers
Party), the G.I.A. ( Groupe Islamique Armé) and the Tamil Tigers for the Liberation of
Eelam. This interesting viewpoint is hardly new however. Raufer restates a problem that
the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation discovered almost twenty years ago. On
October 20, 1981 remnants of various New Left organizations carried out a bloody robbery
in Nanuet, New York. This robbery caused great turmoil in the United States because all of
the groups involved were thought to be inactive at that time. The main point that must be
made here is simply that law enforcement was not prepared to deal with this new
contingency, just as today, those responsible for anti-terrorism measures are not prepared
to deal with the PKK and the GIA, as far as the criminal side of their operations is
concerned. Olson- Raymer offers an attempt at an explanation for this phenomenon referred
to as "motivational modernization". In the 1980's criminal activity by
terrorists, if any, was clearly a secondary activity. Today, however, we are confronted to
a situation in which the economic (read criminal) activities of a group are becoming one
of the core activities, necessary for the survival of the group and to allow them to plan
ahead. The lead example of this trend is the Kurdish separatist movement PKK (Kurdistan
Workers Party). This organization had its roots in the 1960's among left-wing students at
the University of Ankara. The PKK is a Marxist-Leninist organization, whose goals are to
create an independent Kurdish state with a communist government. The movement is waging a
guerilla war in the part of Turkey they are claiming as their territory (the Southeast of
Anatolia). Their struggle involves more than 10,000 members and has been lasting for more
than 13 years. Considering the many Kurdish refugees living in Europe, the PKK realized
quickly that exporting heroin from the Golden Crescent to Europe would allow them to
benefit from vast financial resources. It is not a small operation: according to Interpol
statistics, the Kurdish drug connection marketed 345 tons of heroin in 1995. The PKK has
created a very lucrative triangular trade: members of their organizations steal cars in
Europe, export them to Middle- east to exchange them against heroin, which then is sold in
Europe to generate cash or buy weapons for the struggle for the independence of Kurdistan.
Furthermore, the Van Traa report concluded that the PKK was also deeply involved in
extortion in the Netherlands.

Another very obvious reason for this evolution is of course the fact
that, since the end of the Cold War, we have witnessed a decrease in state sponsoring of
terrorism, especially as far as Cuba is concerned.

Organized crime is mentioned here, because without understanding how
this factor influences contemporary terrorism, we will not be able to efficiently act
against those groups. Investigating anti-terrorism does not consist solely of looking at
clear politically motivated actions of terror. It also requires knowledge on the
involvement in crime of these groups, albeit solely in the purpose of discovering how many
funds they can dispose of. In the aforementioned example of the PKK, European law
enforcement authorities were able to find evidence of institutional links between the drug
trade and the PKK's propaganda apparatus, namely the Kurdistan Comité and MED-TV. A very
successful operation of Scotland Yard and the Belgian Gendarmerie, under the code name
SPUTNIK , led to the seizure of 350 million Belgian Francs (roughly $ 8 million) in a
Luxembourg bank and revealed an extremely complicated financial construction, with
branches to other European countries and Canada.. Further investigation revealed that the
PKK disposed of 15 Belgian companies, used for money laundering operations. This example
should give an impression of the high degree of complexity of this phenomenon.

Without this type of intelligence, a proactive course of action against
terrorists is a mere illusion. Income is the lifeblood of any prolonged terrorist
organization. If it is possible to attack them on that front, a significant step has been
taken in the fight against terrorism. Raufer confirms this by arguing that European and
North American governments must define a new doctrine to combat these changing threats.
This idea will be further developed in chapter 5 of this study.

B. Terrorism and low intensity conflicts.

In chapter 4 of this study, an overview of different measures that a
government has at its disposal to fight terrorism, will be provided. A few of those policy
options pertain to the intervention of the military. This is a significant problem in any
civil society. In order to understand what is at stake when a government decides to rely
on the military to deal with this kind of threat, it is necessary to examine the
relationship that exists between terrorism and warfare. The first remark on this issue
pertains to the moral justification of terrorism. The phrase "One man’s
terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" refers to this issue. Freedom fighter
implies a legitimate battle, for legitimate purposes. In the same perspective, terrorist
often use terms that refer to warfare. Examples are numerous: the Irish Republican Army,
the Red Army faction, the Japanese Red Army, the Islamic Salvation Army are just a few of
the terrorist groups that wish to convey a sense of legitimate warfare against the state.
Moreover, Laqueur argues, correctly in my opinion, that " guerilla has acquired
over the ages a positive attractive meaning, whereas terrorist has not." Laqueur,
as a consequence, does not consider terrorism, revolutionary (guerilla) warfare. The
essence of guerilla lies in the fact that it tries to seize control of areas, mainly in
the countryside, which serve as a basis for further operations, for training camps and for
generating income. The ultimate goal of guerilla warfare is to build an army, in order to
win an open confrontation with government forces. Terrorists on the other hand, are more
active in cities, and their tactics of surprise attacks and bombings, are aimed at
avoiding such an open confrontation with regular army units. This idea is expressed by the
phrase " terrorism is the poor man's war" . In Laqueur's opinion, terrorism has
become much more prevalent in the world than guerilla activity since the end of the
decolonization period. This statement seems not entirely correct. Raufer's assessment of
trends, which claims that new groups are often involved in a combination of guerilla and
terrorist activity, appears more accurate. There is a triangular activity. Groups such as
the PKK and Hizb Allah use guerilla techniques on the domestic front, which results in
them controlling certain areas). Moreover, they are responsible for terrorist attacks
(such as arson, bombings). Finally, they finance the aforementioned activities with crime,
especially narcotics trade of course.

The remark that was made earlier about the need of a new doctrine on
anti-terrorism takes now its full significance. Indeed, the above shows that we are
confronted with a national security problem (both military and civilian), a law
enforcement problem (in terms of crime committed) and a political problem (the nature of
activities of international terrorist groups is intimately linked to the foreign policy of
that country). These phenomena, generally labeled as gray area phenomena, require
non-traditional strategies to deal with these problems. Warfare is now a tool available to
non-state players, namely terrorists.

Plus he found out that the drug dealing was just like the days of VOC ...Dutch East India company with
the government actively involved in making money from drugs.
Playing both sides is immensely profitable.

8/17/2006 04:22:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

The monthly testing of the "TERRORIST ALARM SYSTEM" where sirens wail in every town at high noon, has to have some effect on the FEAR levels in Holland. Really makes you wonder how far down that road one has to go before the brain is entrained.

8/17/2006 05:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chalk it up to synchronicity, but I'm just "a few miles from Bitburg" right now, looking out over the borderlands of Belgium from my back forty.

(Was that Prüm Air Station by chance, Cuttlefish?)

Landed here by way of shifting gears, leaving the New World behind to renovate a centuries-old family farm in the hills and put all this permaculture stuff to work.

Interestingly, out here among the people still working fields & forests, tatters & remnants of traditional early 20th century agrarian lifestyle do linger on, seen mostly as either anachronism or tourism opportunity depending upon whom you're speaking with.

Don't get me wrong, diesel power is still king, and the ALDI (statesiders, think: "boutique" Walmart) mindset is also fattening the bulk of the population here (pun intended) for easy slaughter. What the mainstream docs don't take out with heavy meds. The influence of pharma here is observably huge in a media context. I.G. Who?

This largely unreported phenom is the primary reason I'm going to risk injecting a personal slant into the discussion here (this thread and perhaps RI writ large) is that of the industrialization of basic human nutrition.

My native frau and I have spent the last five years healing ourselves of the various industrial diseases threatening to take us both out in our mid-to-late thirties. We were well into the medical-industrial death spiral, and in (finally) seeking nutritional answers that better aligned with my socio-political mindset (not vegan, which is as much a religio-political stance as an ethical one), we discovered the experiments and writings of iconoclasts of the early 20th century like Weston A. Price.

Raw milk, home-produced everything, big garden, grass-fed locally butchered (non-hormonal) beef, raw honey and black strap molasses instead of refined sugars, composting at every level, arboreal skills, herbology and all that jazz.

We're lucky on many fronts, being in a large vernacular stone structure (1751) with a root cellar. Took a direct lightning hit in mid-July. That was interesting. Felt like an open-handed slap from an angry elemental. Think Thor, before his morning cup of coffee. Electric purple it was, splashing over us and fingering the property (No reading here @ RI for a week or so, until the new modem arrived).

Our physical move was intrinsic to any real attempt at a legitimate healing process, and nearly four years later the results have been impressive. We also know we're not the average, being fortunate enough to have worked ourselves into ill health furiously enough to have a small "getaway" fund while we continue learning how to live ultra-cheap.

Meanwhile, the culling of the herd, whether it be via drastic "die-off" scenarios or slow, steady decay thanks to high-altitude spraying of various bits of atomized evil (the chemtrail spraying over us is extensive), progresses on multiple fronts.

Susan George's little "Lugano Report" simulation of a few years ago feels a bit more real every year, judging by the results. The lack of transparency at the top of the pyramid stifles easy deduction, but the slug trails they leave behind are unmistakable.

8/17/2006 05:34:00 AM  
Blogger jules said...

I remember hearing Pym Fortuyn on tv talking about nending the Dutch policy of "tolerence" re pot cafes and the like. But it was just a soundbyte, and put in the context of him planning to make an end to the cafe scene.

I was in contact off and on with a cafe owner in Amsterdam, via some legal stuff re the drug war that I had done at uni, so I emailed him about PF's talk, wanting to know his opinion.

He said that Fortuyn wanted to end the policy of "tolerence" and the ambiguity that surrounded it by flat out legalisation and that he had contacted all the cafe owner groups to get their opinion on what would be best for Amsterdam.

Before he made his decision.

What a pity he got shot.

The cafe owner in question also went into great depth about the worry he had for the tolerant Dutch worldview. Specifically because of the increase in hard line Islamic people who didn't want to assimilate into Dutch culture.

The question of assimilation is a thorny one in some instances...

But he made his point in a way that seemed fairly reasonable.

He did seem a bit paranoid after Fortyn was shot too, ole matey. We were talking originally before he was killed but I think we spoke again afterward. He hinted at right wing conspiracies and stuff. But more in terms of the trend, like history repeating itself.

8/17/2006 05:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for mentioning Allan Francovich, his name and works were new to me.

"Francovich suffered a heart attack while going through US customs at the Houston airport, Texas on April 17, 1997 and died at the age of 56".

Huh oh.

8/17/2006 06:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gt post on something I had no awareness of.Question, your central thesis is sound Mr Wells what I ponder is?

If this is a plateau of knowledge, excuse the clumsy metaphor are you saying this is the current government? the whole structure of government? or merely a rogue element within the government?

I am merely trying to ascertain whether the system is corrupt or the people within it?

Obviously all power is coercive and govt should serve the people rather than the other way round.

Personally PC does strike me as cultural marxism/order without liberty.

In my own lifetime media has ceased to reflect society but rather creates it ,in its own image.

The tabloid media which goes into some 5 million homes daily in the UK has a reading age of 8 and is created by Oxbridge elites.

On a more humane note I am now very sad to live in a country where a public house cannot advertise 'smokers welcome' even if the publican is a smoker.

I am a passionate non smoker.

I would like to nominate Peter Proctors 'The Nazis War On Cancer' as a wortwhile read.Thankyou.

Are you leading us to expect The Empire Strikes Back sooner rather than later? UK? USA?

8/17/2006 07:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why Pim and Van Traa were eliminated.

How and why.

Various American and Middle Eastern sources identify Abu Fatah as hired from a contractor close to Syrian Intelligence who earlier had provided the hitteam responsible for the staged car accident that took the live of Mr. van Traa, who headed a Dutch Parliamentary Commission Of Inquiry into the Dutch leg of a sanctioned Narcotics/Weapons line via which CIA stages from Mena Arkansas were channeled into Europe and the Middle East. The Dutch leg which basically involved the Parimaribo/Rotterdam/Prestina segment became known in the Netherlands as the IRT Affair.

The contractor, Monzer al-Kassar (some background on Mr. al-Kassar), acted as the primary Middle Eastern middleman in this line, in part as a compensation for his loss of another sanctioned line which ran from Malta/Frankfurt/London to New York.

Mr. van Traa made the unfortunate mistake to aim at a degree of exposure far exceeding his mandate which turned him into a liability to be neutralized.

Result was that a team was hired in from Monzer al Kassar which staged the accident by a well know Syrian method involving a explosive charge (C4 in this case) to be placed a on (in this case) the left frontwheel suspension of the car which at a predetermined location (in this case just prior to crossing a road construction site) would be remotely triggered by a follow-up car.

Relevance to the Prof. Fortuyn case

Prof. Fortuyn, partly influenced by a Bouterse mole within his party, became overly interested in the backgrounds of the IRT Affair and attemted to pick up where Mr. van Traa had left off. His own probing and to an extend information he was feeded with from Mr. Bouterse, who had become the fallguy in the Dutch IRT cover-up, side developed plans to expose additional and highly explosive information about the IRT cover-up and the roles of prominent Dutch officials among who Mr. Teeven, Mr. Korthals, Mr. Kok, Mr. Docters van Leeuwen (ex director of BVD) as well as the roles of the CIA, DEA, CID and BVD causing what could have become a very major national and international upset, to phrase it mildly.

The Mr. Teeven, Mr. Korthals, Mr. Kok, Mr. Docters van Leeuwen aspect

During the early nineties when Mr. Docters van Leeuwen was in function as Director Of BVD (now AIVD) ex Prime Minister Kok was for all intends and purposes an BVD operative who worked or facilitated in operational aspects of the Dutch leg of the sanctioned narcotics/weapons line mentioned earlier. In the context of this role Mr. Kok was faciltating not only the BVD but various foreign Intelligence services amomg which the CIA, DEA and by implication Syrian Intelligence through Monzer al Kassar. In 1993 after the IRT Affair came into the public attention Mr. Kok continued his facilitation and active involvement with the IRT cover-up.

In 1995 a deal struck between Mr. Kok and Mr. Teeven in which Teeven would would provide information about future narcotics/waepons deals ad corruption cases. In truth an axis Teeven/Kok was created allowing for the undisturbed operation of sanctioned lines as well as the provision of means to control possible leaks and oposition of members of the Dutch Political and Legal system. Spring 1999 Mr. Teeven produced and handed out to "het college van procureurs generaal" and the Minister of Justice at that time Mr. Korthals, a list containing 80 names of Dutch Politians, Judges, and high level civil servants who who found themselves in blackmailable positions. Information contained in the list rangend from sexual exploitation of minors to corruption and abuse of power. Important is that this list provided a garantee that what had to stay under wraps would stay under wraps. In addition this list, which as to this date is with Mr. Teeven, formed the foundation for the Dutch collusion-system to remain operational.

In December 1999 Minister Korthals, after an investigation into the allegations made in the Teeven Dossier, asserted that no conclusive evidence could be found for either the risk of blackmail or corruption. In effect Mr. Korthals became, as in fact he been for a long time, a co-conspirator in the Kok/Teeven/van Leeuwen/CIA/BVD/CID axis.

Where it is commonly assumed that this axis (minus the CIA which is never mentioned in this context) its main purpose was to minimize the damage suffered from the part exposure of IRT and savely keep the whole issue within the crimminal circuit rather as in the larger perspective of the CIA operated line. Mr. van Traa however proved unwilling to go along and suffered the consequences.

An important aspect of the whole was that, largely due to the efforts of Mr. Docters van Leeuwen, the surinam co-conspirator Mr. Bouterse was dumped and turned into an international crimminal to prosecuted in the Netherlands for among others his role in the shared narcotics/weapons scam. In effect Mr. Bouterse became the sacrificial lamb for the sins of the operators in the Dutch leg.

It may be obvious to even the most trusting citizen that the combination of a Dutch Secret Team and the Teeven Dossier ideal circumstances are created for the operation of a block of controllers and a climate in which cover-ups are easily maintained, by means of blackmailing potential deserters.

Relevance to the Prof. Fortuyn case revisted

As was indicated Prof. Fortuyn bursting into the political scene unaffected by prior affilication with the control structure and imune against most forms of blackmail, the fact that he was an homosexual who frequented the socalled "dark rooms" could hardly be used against him as he used to be rather loud about those aspects of his live, and determined to overthrow and/or exposing the ruling establishment for what it is, made him into a liability. This conjunction with own findings in the IRT context, Prof. Fortuyn was painfully aware of the existing conspiracy within the Kok/Teeven/van Leeuwen/Korthals/CIA/BVD/CID axis and its potential to blackmail a significant part of the Dutch Political/Juridical Establishment.

In addition, by means of Mrs. Bijlhout who remained loyal to her former employer, Prof. Fortuyn had received extremely damaging information from Mr. Bouterse, who largely for personal reason was more as only a little interested in setting the record straight, allowing him to effectively expose the full story of the Dutch leg and to make matters worse cause very serious damage to the CIA for their role in the cabal.

8/17/2006 08:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks, starroute on this, quoted with comments afterward:

Gehlen retired as head of the German Intelligence Bureau in 1968, and around that same time -- there being no Communist yoke in Western Europe to throw off, and not much chance of one developing -- Gladio got reoriented towards Strategy of Tension operations, intended to destabilize left-wing governments in general. General Limnitzer was another figure closely involved with Allen Dulles and the creation of the stay-behind networks. (I believe it was something posted here last week that got me looking into Lemnitzer.) Lemnitzer went from stay-behind to plotting Operation Northwoods in 1962, then became supreme commander of NATO from 1963-69 (during Gehlen's final years), and did a final turn in the middle 70's with the Committee on the Present Danger -- a group which was pivotal in George H.W. Bush's creation of an alliance among the CIA, the crazy anti-communist generals, and the fledgling Neocons.

The Committee on the Present Danger groups leads straight back into the people who have used fake terrorism scares since the 1950s in the United States, in the 1970s, with Cheney/Bush/Ford/Rumsfeld, to early 2000s with the same clique.

detailed deeply into this post:

Project Throwing Star: 150 points that specific Israelis and Bushes responsible for 9-11

Bracked numbers indicate individual complicty of particular Israelis --- 150 EVIDENCE POINTS show Bush family/Israel CONDUCTED TERRORISM ON WTC hit from 1976-2001 --- Project Throwing Star: 150 evidence points that specific Israelis are responsible for 9-11 with Bush family, built from serious treasonous infiltration by an Israeli double agent fifth column in the U.S., connected with infiltration by Jewish organized crime and Mossad drug dealing; this is a list of ISRAELI NAMES who can definitely be implicated either as ACCESSORIES BEFORE THE FACT or ACCESSORIES AFTER THE FACT in the 9-11 strikes. However, the list has nothing to do with "Israel the state" or "Zionism" or "anti-Zionism." Ideologies or whole states in abstract are unable to have legal cases built against them. Only people can. --- All specific Israelis mentioned below are accused of facilitating or carrying out the 9-11 attacks. --- This list concentrates on particular interlocks between Israeli and U.S. citizens individually responsible for 9-11 events. Individual Israeli citizens are hardly the only group involved in 9-11, because it depended upon high treason of the Bush family, most of Bush Administration, high treason of U.S. military, and espionage by NATO. Other key institutions on U.S. side of operation would be Committee on the Present Danger, CSIS, and Team B. Avoid throwing collectivist guilt trips; go after invididual criminals.

See an int'l organized crime, drug-running, terrorism network of both Israel and United States for what it is--a separate, parasitical, self-destructive, self-interested cabal eroding both these states, instead of loyal. The evidence is overwhelming, and the death penalty is too good for them.

back to starroute's quote:

Alexander Haig served as supreme commander of NATO just a few years after Lemnitzer, from 1974-79. He and Kissinger are alleged to have started directing funding to Gladio by 1973, when Haig was Nixon's chief of staff. There are also claims that both of them, as well as Bush, were involved with P2.

I'm sure Bush was either P2 or directly in on the P2 plot, since the CIA has considered Italy to be its private fiefdom as the first place it toppled governments in after WWII. On that see William Blum's book Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since WWII.

P2 member leader Gelli was on the platform, next to George H. W. Bush, as he was sworn into the Presidency in 1988.

P2 was just about to overthrow the whole Italian democracy with a fascist military coup planned in their "rouge" Masonic organization that had almost all the Italian generals, much of the judiciary, police, politicians, corporate heads, etc.


Gladio reached its climax of activity in 1978-81, coinciding with the end of Haig's period at NATO, his involvement in the Reagan-Bush presidential campaign, and his brief but infamous period as Reagan's Secretary of State. There is a very tight line of development here -- with Dulles, Lemnitzer, and Gehlen at one end and Bush and Haig at the other -- that suggests a single directing vision among a small group of individuals over a period of 30 years.

Actually, according to Tarplay in his George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, it is clear that Haig was not in the "Bush league" and represented some other wing of the globalists that were interfering with the Bush league's putsch to power. Bush hated Haig.

Google up "Haig Tarplay Bush" and you should get the book chapter excepts about the finagling attempts of the worming VP Bush under Reagan to discredit and remove Haig from the Reagan inside clique.

Reagan himself, according to Tarpley , physically ran down in a out of breath huff (for an old man in his 70s pretty intresting) to the Republican Presidential Convention floor in 1980 to, as he said "make sure that it was known tonight, so no one would get any other ideas you know, before tomorrow, that I have indeed accepted George H. W. Bush as my Vice Presidential Candidate."

I'm paraphrasing, you can find the direct quote yourself in the Tarplay book.

Reagan hated Bush. Bush hated Reagan.

Reagan seems to have been threatened by the Bush league to 'adopt' Bush as his VP, after Bush's failed Presidential bid in 1980, which was filled with (illegally) active CIA agents working for him.

The Hinkley family was one of Bush's major financial backers in his 1980 Presidential run that failed. One year later...

The Hinkley familiy as well provided their estranged (MKULTRA'ed) member of their family in the plot to kill Reagan.

Plus, within 24 hours of the "rogue lone gun assassination" it just so happened that VP Bush was running a "FEMA terrorism/assassination drill about a Presidential succession crisis" the day before the actual assassination attempt of Reagan took place.

Bush is described as calmly seating himself at the head of the Presidential Cabinet in 1981 and sort of assuming control--and the Bush family has been the 'contact men' for the shadow government of the U.S. ever since.

There was never any real investigation of the Reagan assassination, according to Tarplay A modus vivendi seemed to have been reached within the Republican Party to accept the criminal Bush family as its own directly "for the good of the unity of the Partei." And the increasing Fourth Reich creation with the Bush family as the drug dealing dictators (with their client the Clinton Dixie Mob, due to Mena, Arkansas CIA drug depots).

On that--

For anyone who really wants to know what's going on, read Barry and the Boys by Daniel Hopsicker, recently republished after a FIVE YEAR hiatus in lawsuits. In other words, judging by the lawsuits, as well as the details and his thorough investigation of witnesses and everything, it's that dangerous of a book. Read it.

Hopsicker additionally wrote the only investigation into the lies around Mohammad Atta and the fake 9-11 plot that the Bush league still depend upon--in his other book Welcome to Terrorland: Mohammad Atta and the Venice Flying Circus.

Turn off the TV.


8/17/2006 09:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll apologize for coming here with all of my very strange ideas. But I work as a journalist, and so I've been watching this JonBenet Ramsey confession story very carefully. Have you all seen any of the coverage in the last 24 hours? Supposedly, the killer of the 6 year old beauty queen has now come forward, 10 years after her murder. And by the way, he appears just 2 months after the death of JonBenet's mother Patsy. This man who's confessing, does so before all the media's cameras at a police station in Bangkok, Thailand. If you get a chance to see this coverage, pay very careful attention to this man.
here's a quick blurb from the associated press:
The American suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case said publicly Thursday he was with the 6-year-old when she died and called her death "an accident," a stunning admission that will help answer 10 years of questions in the unsolved murder case.

"I was with JonBenet when she died," John Mark Karr told reporters in Bangkok, visibly nervous and stuttering as he spoke. "Her death was an accident."
I won't go into great detail about the fortuitous timing of this confession, or that this man is conveniently a convicted pedophile. But there is a lot of room for doubt here. No one has even confirmed that this guy ever lived in Colorado where the murder happened in 1996. The father of the little girl says he never know the man who's confessed. The house is essentially a labrynth. The victim was find in a tiny basement room. Those questions only scratch the surface. And if you can see the televised version of this story, you will note the calm, zombie-like demeanor of this man. Just from observation I think this story is fishy, fishy fishy. Any input is welcomed and appreciated.


8/17/2006 09:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"As Professor Fortuyn observed, "I say multicultural society doesn't work. We're not living closer, we're living apart."

What a terrible pity that he is no longer here to voice such rare common sense."

Here, here.

It is quite obvious that multiculturalism is a tool of the oppressors, not a free choice of sovereign people. It is fueld by economics and propagandized via the MSM and State specifically because it keeps us balkanized until such time as one faction can be used against another in order for the State to consolidate it's powers further.

8/17/2006 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thrace, for an interesting analysis of the Ramsey case see:



more xymphora

8/17/2006 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just for anyone who's not aware of it already:

Dave Neiwert has been running an excellent blog covering the increasingly fascistic tendencies in America for years now. He is thorough and exacting.

Right now he has a guest blogger writing a great series on fundamenalism and the authoritarian personality.

8/17/2006 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I agree. It doesn't add up. My wife and I discussed it last night after listening to the coverage. I told her, look at this through the Eyes Wide Shut Looking Glass. This is rooted in Occultist Ritual, no doubt, and the accused is definitely an MK ULTRA Candidate. My said "look at his eyes." I said, think Sirhan Sirhan.....he's here.....but he's not here.

8/17/2006 11:22:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

I’m curious about your polite insinuation (Was that Prüm Air Station by chance, Cuttlefish?), especially since you speak of your resistance to the industrialization of basic human nutrition. I don’t see that the thread of American Nazism and the tangled web of staged terror and little false flag ops is in any way in contradiction with your viewpoint, unless there’s more you haven’t expressed yet. The “synchronicity” I referred to was simply the strange connectedness in my own circle of discussions on the topic of the still-active network of rightwing propagandists and the apparent success of their campaign to inflitrate the internet circles which busy themselves with doubting the official story.

The fascinating thing to me in this is the reaction I’ve often encountered when I stress the Nazi roots of the current swindle—that I’m accused of working for the PTB when I question the rightwing nature of so much of the internet NOW crowd. The logic in that, aside from people just being insulted when I question the “integrity” of Rense, Icke, Alex Jones and Mike Ruppert, is that BushCo and their backers are some sort of leftist outfit masquerading as Nazis. That’s weird, but interesting.

What are we to make of the conflict beteen the Reagan and Bush factions? Can it be explained by the CIA’s supposed Cowboy/Yankee “rivalry,” which in itself could of course just be another smokescreen, or does it indicate the sort of turf battle common among rival drug cartels (which both “sides” obviously are, in addition to whatever else they’re up to)? The only thing in all this which seems obvious to me is that they’re all far right fanatics, as starroute’s genealogy of AmiNazis indicates. What’s the alternative, after all--that Lemnitzer, Gehlen and Reagan were some sort of secret socialists and that our Leader’s brave assault on the shredded remnants of the social net in the US deserves our support? Where’s my bucket?

8/17/2006 11:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Let's immerse ourselves in even mroe controversial waters, and create a link between your assessments of Lemnitzer, Dulles and Prescott Bush, and the formation, including the preceding ground work, of the State of Israel?

Surely the creation of Israel didn't come about without significant manipulation on their part?

8/17/2006 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tal, thanks for the xymphora links. I'll continue to ride them for the next few days. Shrub, exactly. Look at the eyes. It's not that hard for me to believe that's what an MK ULTRA subject looks and acts like. The more questions you ask, the deeper and weirder it gets. And, the more scary Pappa Ramsey seems. He just might be a whole lot more powerful than I thought, because there seem to be some major strings being pulled here.


8/17/2006 12:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the way-
Check out the creepy, creepy picture of our newly confessed child killer on
It's worth 10 thousand words.

8/17/2006 12:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this has been a thought thats been floating around in my head for a while now. it mostly had to with my wondering why they hadnt begun doing an operation like that here justs days after 9/11. but who would it destabalize is the pertinant question.

so now more than ever it seems like this is a very 'appealing' option for them. make the leftists look like wimps and chide them for their al-qaedaness.

8/17/2006 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous, thank you for the correction on the Bush-Haig animosity. This raises all sorts of interesting questions about who was on whose side. Were Haig and Kissinger tight, do you know, or was it just a matter of working together under Nixon?

Thank you also for mentioning CSIS -- the Center for Strategic and International Studies -- which appears to be of continuing importance. Co-founded in 1962 by Ray Cline, who also led the CIA support for Bush's presidential bid in 1979-80, it's been the home of all the geostrategic heavy hitters ever since. (Donald Rumsfeld, then a young congressman, was there at the start.) RightWeb's entry on CSIS is probably the best quick source of information -- I'll put a link to that at the end of this post, because my html links have been tending to get messed up.

That whole middle-late 70's period increasingly seems to be key to everything that has been happening since. Bush as CIA director in 1976, followed by the splitting off of the rogue CIA/Enterprise in the Carter years, leading to the coup-like aspects of the 1980 presidential campaign. The rogue CIA linking up with the Saudis, who were using their new-found oil wealth to get involved in everything. And the last flowering of the old-line anti-communists in the Committee on the Present Danger, segueing smoothly into the War on Terror.

The CPD had considerable overlap with both the American Security Council and the World Anti-Communist League, the former founded in the 50's by a friend of the Bush family, the latter having come out of the same nexus of CIA and East Asian fascists as the Unification Church, both with strong and explicit fascist connections during the mid-late 70's.

The final piece of the puzzle, I think, involves the leading young conservative groups of the late 60's and early 70's -- primarily Young Americans for Freedom, founded by William Buckley (former CIA agent and continuing CIA asset), and to a lesser degree the Young Republicans/College Republicans.

The YAFers in particular got very caught up in various old-line anti-communist groups in the 70's -- supporting the Pinochet dictatorship in Chile, joining the successive US incarnations of the World Anti-Communist League -- and then formed the backbone of many of the pro-Contra groups of the 80's. Many or most of these same people have also been associated with Moon's Unification Church or its front groups.

The same group of names also keeps coming up over and over in connection with the political dirty tricks of the last 35 years. Though I don't have any detailed proof, I grow increasingly convinced that -- whether they themselves were aware of it or not -- these YAFers were formed into a stay-behind force by their older anti-communist mentors in the 60's and 70's and have been applying those tactics in this country ever since.

For example, there's their contempt for democracy and the normal rules of electoral politics. Their anything-goes mentality. Their tendency to act as though Democratic administrations were socialist dictatorships to be overthrown and Republic administrations were authoritarian states to join up with in a paramilitary function.

Stay-behind isn't something that's coming to a theater near you. It's been with us since the 80's, and we're far the worse for it.


8/17/2006 01:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some odd stuff at Cannonfire about the Ramsey suspect, John Mark Karr.

I'm also intrigued by Karr's fascination with the Polly Klaas kidnapping. He even lived in Klaas' hometown of Petaluma, albeit long after the event. A friend of mine knew Polly's grandfather, which prompted my botched attempt to research a book on the crime. That research left me at least semi-persuaded that Richard Allen Davis hid (and continues to hide) the names of accomplices.

Few now recall that there was a rash of child kidnappings in that area at that time. When I visited the abandoned house where Davis lived, I found, in the carcass of an old Toyota Corona, a collection of local newspapers which had covered those crimes. The walls of the house were covered with ultra-bizarre graffiti, including a large outline drawing of an owl on the front door. Lord knows what that was supposed to mean. . . .

Karr, it is now said, has confessed. Turns out he may have met the Ramseys when they all lived in or around Conyers, Gerogia -- a strange burg otherwise famed for Marian apparitions. "Eat, drink and see Mary" is the town motto. . . .

Karr has confessed on camera, but the story grows more mysterious, especially if we follow the money. Schoolteachers are notoriously ill-paid. How did this guy afford his extensive, expensive Asian travels? His wife has offered an alibi. One may fairly presume that any hole in that alibi must be quite small, chronologically speaking. How would he afford round-trip plane fare to Colorado? Did he book well in advance? If it was planned well in advance, why choose to visit Colorado during the snowy season? He was in the sex trade in Thailand -- was he in the trade ten years ago? In other words, was he working for someone else?


8/17/2006 01:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No insinuation in there, I swear. That was simply a point-blank question.

The synchronicity I was feeling had to do with your having been "a few miles from Bitburg" when Reagan was gettin' all teary-eyed over a bunch of dead SS commandos. Why?

Because I'm in your shoes now. A few clicks north of Bitburg, directly overlooking Belgium as I type, and recently registered here after a few weeks of reading into the site.

Figured since you were that close to Bitburg you'd recognize the name (Prüm) because you were either:

a) a German national
b) an American military kid/soldier on station (I'm leaning here)
c) a journalist covering Reagan

After Bitburg Air Station, the nearest American military installations are Spangdahlem (also AF) and the now-automated antennas of the old Prüm Air Station.

From there, the rest was "all about me" as they say. My personal angle on the nature and extent of the demonic harvest Jeff -- and others such as yourself -- so aptly investigate.

I'm less focused on the 'whodunnit' aspect (though I'd be lieing if I said it I wasn't curious and gleefully off down that rabbit hole based on the abundant links here at RI) than I am on certain key aspects of the how: industrially refined foods passed on as edible, when in reality they're lifeless, dead, and the primary source of ill health in the world today. Or worse.

We've (wife and me) reached the point where we can't talk to the family about medicine or nutrition, let alone the classics (politics or religion).

Out here in the ether, there's nothing more dangerous than those first few posts, making the usual clumsy attempts to discover a groove in an obviously well-established forum already full of literate voices.

("is that enough contrition yet?" he asks with a hint of a smile...)

In a nutshell, I'm an old-school netizen (green-screen days) with much less time for PC reading and adventure (see: 'renovating farm') that's happy to have discovered the unusual crossroads of information that is Rigorous Intuition.

If you're ever back here in the vicinity of Bitburg, we'll happily treat you to a show of how truly hedonistic good nutrition can be Cuttlefish. There's a bottle wine in the cellar with your name on it...

8/17/2006 01:34:00 PM  
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8/17/2006 01:42:00 PM  
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8/17/2006 01:44:00 PM  
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8/17/2006 01:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This just in:
Cheney gets good carrots for bunny planet.

Last week Barbara w/o (Dubya) Bush didn’t need to be forgiven…but she does now!

Thank you Saint Martin, Martin, and Martin. 11/9 is the opposite of 9/11 for certain.

8/17/2006 02:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, we're saving the Amontillado (a very good vintage too, I might add) for a special occasion. I'm sure the Iridescent One will understand...

...and while I'm still here typing, I'd like to single out the current contributions of 'starroute' to this very thread as exactly the sort of narrative discursions that have notched RI into a new niche near the top of my reading totem in recent months.

Reading here has become de rigeur, I must admit. Hopefully, I can bring a fresh angle to a thread now and again.

For what it's worth, of all the ways to best undermine a populace, messing with their food supply offers the fastest route to increased vulnerability and morbidity rates.

Now, go out and find a copy of a book (yep, I'm one of those Zappa-fan "turn off the idiot box and go read a book!" types) by an author named T.L. Cleave titled "Saccharidosis" and dig in. Don't worry, I'll wait...

8/17/2006 03:40:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Many kind thanks for the invite--I certainly would, if but I could, take you up on it. As to the reasons for my proximity to Bitburg in that fateful year, well, suffice it to say: none of the above. It was, instead, the result of a seemingly random, long and weird trail of "coincidences". I was actually on my way to school in Stuttgart and had taken a flight to Luxembourg instead, 10 days earlier than I needed to get down south, so that I might have time to look into certain family mysteries which were themselves an odd series of coincidences.

My uncle, who was studying to be a priest in 1941, had a gift for languages. Greek, Latin, French and German all came to him as if through genetic memory (okay, this is where it starts to get weird.) My dad, 10 years his junior, remembers his brother doing "language tricks"--guessing what passages in unknown languages meant, for example, and being correct a high % of the time. (He also explained how he did the trick, but my dad was too young at the time and couldn't remember.) It probably wasn't his tricks that caught the Army's eye, but his awards and his grades and before he knew what was happening he was taken out of the seminary and sent to a large army intelligence school in Nebraska, which he went along with at first--I can't imagine there was much of a choice involved--but he eventually became angry, scared and disillusioned by what he was being taught, about which he refused to speak, except to say, "these people aren't what they seem," which is far too enigmatic to be useful.

Time goes by, quite a bit in fact, and the former seminarian begins to acquire new habits--smoking, a girlfriend, and, according to my dad, from whom most of this story comes, a nervous habit of constantly looking over his shoulder, searching faces in crowds for unknown purposes when he'd come home on the occasional leave. Then, some sort of crisis occurred in the fall of '44 and my uncle takes his girlfriend and heads for rural Saskatchewan, where his parents had grown up.

He didn't get far, maybe across the border, before the service he belongs to catches up with him and gives him a choice: go do what you were trained to do, or take a rifle and go in the infantry. Reluctantly, he chooses the former and says goodbye to my dad with what he described as hollow, sunken eyes. (My dad later found a letter from his brother hidden away somewhere, "on the event of his death," that was full of things he never told me about before he died.)

So, something happens in England--my dad's opinion was that the MI unit had second thoughts about my uncle's "trustworthiness"--and the deal is rescinded, he's given that rifle, and a few weeks later, in late November of '44, he's "cut in half" by some kind of shrapnel gun the Germans were using late in the war. The story didn't really end there, though. Many months after the official notification of death, probably at war's end, a strange friend in my uncle's unit shows up at the house and starts to tell a weird story about what "really happened".

Unfortunately for me, my dad was sent out of the room at the mention of "secrets" and weirdnesses and never learned what they told his dad before he died. So, 41 years later, I'm hitch-hiking from the airport in Luxembourg, more or less in the direction of the familial ancestral home, a little town not so far from you called Kröv on the Mosel. This is what brought me to your neck of the woods, and the old man on whose door I knocked, after ascertaining we shared the same last name, invited me in, a dusty, dirty hippie schlepping around a duffel back instead of the sporty backbacks the other tourists carried, opened a bottle if the local wine, and we traded stories. I'm going to end the saga here, but I will say that the trail of coincidence didn't end there but instead only grew weird new twists, including my German "cousin's" opinion of Reagan's Bitburg speech, which had occurred a month earlier.

That trail still hasn't ended, all these years later...

8/17/2006 03:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That story alone was worth the bottle of wine I.C., should you ever desire to lay claim to it.

And thanks Shrub', just tossin' the gauntlet at the iron feet of the PTB one word at a time like the rest.

On a side note, Belgium is a lovely cultivated land, especially in it's rural eastern portion dominated by the Ardennen-Eifel region, which overlaps into western Germany geologically and geographically.

My father-in-law was a sixteen-year-old conscript in the German Bundeswehr, hauled off to Norway for artillery training (PAK-75), then hauled back and hurled underequipped and inexperienced into Luxembourg on the morning of 16 December 1944.

These days I'm living in a place covered with WWII bunkers (Siegfried Line), Roman ruins (Trier, etc.) and the occasional Celt hillfort. The pull of the ancient -- for all the modernity that still surrounds me even here (net connection) -- has me seeking deeper roots, if you will. Reconnecting with the earth in a pretty fundamental way, though that sounds higher and mightier than I'd like it to when I say it that way.

Western Europe is no panacea, with spraying overhead proceeding apace and plenty of military-industrial capital and conservative hoo-ha to go around. At once, it is a place of ancient symbols intersecting with the ill-gotten gains of old Venetian fortunes and Genoese tycoons.

So, we're gonna ride out the coming turbulence in as comfortable a style as our own gardening and arboreal skills and local food network allow.

As a Joyce reader, I've spent much of my life offering his "silence, exile, cunning" descriptor from 'Portrait of the Artist' as a metaphor to frame my own views. That's where we're coming from here in the green hills, harvesting fruit and dropping our own timber for the renovation.

It's the ultimate DIY experience, as it turns out, and I wouldn't have it any other way...

8/17/2006 04:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FIRST it was the war on drugs

then it was the war on terror

now its the war on truth

a war on war would be nice

8/17/2006 07:52:00 PM  
Blogger jules said...

Miraculix, it sounds like you have got some things sorted, well done.

I am into that food is medicine thing.

I dunno if you can get avocados to fruit in your part of the world, but I swear they are great. We have a tree 2 metres from the back door that produces hundreds every year.

Permaculture is a great thing, when its not used as a marketing tool by yuppies and wannabes. Around here you can buy propperty in "permaculture villages" and "eco villages"...

It would be a brilliant idea if it wasn't run by real estate agents.

I dunno if there is much cross over between the conditions where I live and where you are, we are only about 15 to 20 kms as the crow flies from Bill Mollison's former place near Tyalgum. So most of our conditions are sub tropical.

And we are a bit slack sometimes.

But food is a major key. The ability to produce and access it is important if you want to stay healthy. And its definitely on tptb's agenda.

Its probably worth saving extra seed with your production, cos the time is coming when old genetics are gonna be very hard to find.

I dunno if GMOs are inherantly bad, as some of the evidence re gene transfers seems to suugest. But I am pretty sure that in todays agri business "climate", they just foster exposure to higher levels of dodgy chemicals.

As well as removing the economic power to control your production of future seed.

BTW You said that lived in an old stone structure and that you and your better half used nutrition to help cure your industrial illnesses.

I am sure that the food had a lot to do with it, but do you think the house you live in has any positive "orgone" processes happening, ie could it be functioning as an accumulator?

Anon 8.45

Thanks for that chunk of info.

Funny how Syrian Intelligence is almost serving the goals of other intel services now and then (ie car bombs in Lebanon).

>>As Professor Fortuyn observed, "I say multicultural society doesn't work. We're not living closer, we're living apart."

What a terrible pity that he is no longer here to voice such rare common sense."

Here, here.

It is quite obvious that multiculturalism is a tool of the oppressors, not a free choice of sovereign people. It is fueld by economics and propagandized via the MSM and State specifically because it keeps us balkanized until such time as one faction can be used against another in order for the State to consolidate it's powers further.

9:36 AM <<

Multiculturalism works fine, this is the same error that certain groups play on all the time to promote racial and cultural division to serve their own (whose?) ends.

Multiculturalism in Australia, despite the attempts of the media to suggest otherwise works great. But there is something else at play there. Assimilation. Any immigrant to another place needs to assimilate themselves. they don't need to destroy their previous identity. Just to acknowledge that they are somewhere else with another culture and identity.

If people refuse to do that, of course problems will arise.

Most people that come here want to assimilate, cos we have a great culture on a personal level and a great lifestyle.

For yearts multicultural;ism served Australia, then with the rise of One Nation (who actually did some good things as well as plying race hate), our current Liberal Federal government saw the value in wedge politics and played off the race card with a savage intensity.

This caused the isolation of people who previously thought they were part of Australia. People who have culturally assimilated (ie they play football and cricket, argue about Holdens V Ford, surf, love the beach, listen to Australian hip hop, as well as the crap from Atlantic or whatever its called these days. Laugh at authority and the like.)

One of the reasons that multi culturalism worked in Australia (Pre Howard - whats happeneing now, well we will see whether it all goes to shit or not, tho I suspect it won't) is because people from other cultures shared their food, and art (ie music, dance especially). They brought something that enhanced our lives, and our nation and its way of doing things enhanced theirs.

I am sick of hearing people say multiculturalism doesn't work.

Why not be honest and say that it seems especially difficult to intigrate some Muslim people into any culture. Its an unpalatable idea, but it may be the unpleasant truth.

Thenm again its probably just as hard to intigrate some Christians into any culture.

8/17/2006 07:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I tend to agree with you. I like cultural diversity. I don't want us to become homogenous consumers, which is where I see all this heading. You can never have too many perspectives.....I'm sure you will agree. It's necessary for balance. Also, it's one of the last frontiers, IMHO. Physically, we may have run out of frontiers, but culturally, for now at least, there's still another you can migrate to, if you so choose. The PTB don't like that, unless they can pit cultures against one another, then that diversity's a great thing.

8/17/2006 08:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate that 'multicultural society is dead' or a 'dead end' or whatever meme...
Any one who thinks that had better stop eating mexican and asian food, stop listening to rock and roll (indeed most any music except for grossly inbred c&w) and perhaps even stop using math, medicine and gunpowder. We grow as humans by exposing ourselves to the creative genius of other cultures. Together we share a miracle known as mankind. Separate we're just a bunch of weenies who are scared out of our wits by the threatening (generally dark)'other', who of course want 'our' (repressed) women and 'our' (stolen) land and threaten all other patriarchal illusions of grandeur.

As someone transplanted to CA for many years, I've noticed that most children of immigrants wind up being culturally "American", whether the parents came from India, Mexico, Vietnam or the ME. They used to say disparging things about how the irish would never fit in, and the germans...and the swedes...the polish, the jews, the japanese...have I belabored the point enough yet?
In the words of that hapless fool, Rodney King, "Why can't we all just get along?"

8/17/2006 08:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff, you gave me the chills. It certainly is the United States and it's 2006, and many of us are aware of the phony terror psyops but not nearly enough of us.

Thrace, I too am suspicious of this Jon-Benet Ramsey event. Another distraction? Another psyop? I felt it was odd from the start.

Mary R C

8/17/2006 09:01:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Found myself in the yard just now; pulling weeds.
Sisyphean task.
What a fool, am I.

Thanks for the link anon 12:13

8/17/2006 09:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a new strategy...blame it on the dead guy.,,1852550,00.html

Pakistan believes the alleged plot to blow up transatlantic passenger jets was sanctioned by al-Qaida's second in command, it was reported today.

The Associated Press, quoting senior intelligence officials, said interrogations of suspects in custody in Pakistan had indicated Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's "number two", had probably cleared the plot.

8/17/2006 10:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i wonder if the belgian terror had anything to do with the death of olof palme? three days before his death, licio gelli, member of P2, sent a telegram to philip guarino, (member close circle around g.h.w.bush) that said, "Tell our friend that the Swedish palm will be felled." according to CIA agent ibrahim razin--who claims that the national security archives still have the text of the telegram--P2 would have been interested in palme's murder because "Sweden was one of the main protagonists of the illegal weapons traffic at the time of the Iran-Iraq war when palme was PM and thus Palme was surely aware of what was happening."

in interview by "free republic", gene "chip" tatum cliamed that palme was assassinated because he refused an arms-trade that would have been part of the agreement reached during the october surprise.

interesting, this possible nexus...

8/17/2006 10:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is one further slant on the Pym Fortun that should be mentioned here.

In as much as he "shared" the S Huntington "clash of civilisations vision" (see earlier/above post) he was in fact in league with TPB attempting to get this very thing off the ground in front of our very eyes (with Islamic terrorism as a key plank)..

The motto of this new war is: “Unless we hate what we are not, we cannot love what we are …’ We know who we are only when we know who are we not… when we know whom we are against” - Prof’ Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations- Remaking of World Order (1993)

Fortun strikes me as someone speaking a partial truth who was both of and against TPB and thereby put himself in a kind of no win, no where to run no where to hide situation a la Lady Diana....

8/17/2006 11:43:00 PM  
Blogger JBD said...


Though I am a mere lurker, I had to post to second Shrub-

I like your style.

The toxic food vs true nutrition angle is an important close-to-home topic, but it's hard to get straight information. If you care to share, I won't be the only one here interested. Feel free to offload on the discussion board.

And welcome, welcome...pull up a chair....

8/18/2006 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1992 article from the observer, worth quoting at some length:

"GLADIO: Europe's best kept secret

Hugh O'Shaughnessy, Observer, 7 June 1992, pages 53-54

"The codename was Gladio and it was the most ambitious and secret operation in Western Europe since the Second World War. But now, with the Cold War over, it is ending on notes of pure farce.

"The Belgian authorities have lost the code for getting in touch with their most secret agents, men who would have gone into action when the Soviet army swept into Flanders: they have no means of working it out again. One Belgian officer, Colonel Bernard Legrand, knows some of the names but he won't co-operate: it's confidential he says. The British and United States governments know how to break the code but won't tell the wretched Belgians.

"At 10.15 on the morning of 31 January last year Colonel Jean Bodart of Belgian military intelligence landed in a Belgian air force plane at RAF Northolt. He collected 13 packages filled with cyphers and an old Remington type-writer from British intelligence and two hours later flew back to Brussels. The packages contained the names of the members of the Gladio network in Belgium. The Remington typewriter was part of the decoding equipment. But Belgian intelligence, whose skills at cryptography have sadly been allowed to get rusty, have wrestled in vain with the task of decyphering the names in the packages.

"One day in 1984 a party of US Marines set out from an airport north of London. Highly trained men, each fluent in one Eastern European language, they parachuted to their secret rendezvous and were met by an agent, a local bank manager, who offered them guidance. They lived off the land for a fortnight, hiding from the local civilian population as they stalked towards their prey. Steathily they approached their objective and opened fire, killing a warrant officer. One of the Marines lost an eye in the operation.

"Their language skills were not much use: the objective was the police station in the sleepy southern Belgian town of Vielsalm and none of the Marines spoke French. If they had, they could have saved one man's life and another man's eye.

"The object of the exercise had been twofold: to jolt the local Belgian police into a higher state of alert and, no less important, to give the impression to the population at large that the comfortable and well-fed Kingdom of Belgium was on the brink of red revolution. Guns used in the operation were later planted by a shadowy Belgian intelligence outfit in the Brussels squat used by a Communist splinter group.

"On such notes of opera buffa is Gladio being wound up. Mercifully for the reputations of all concerned perhaps, the farce is overlaying memories of large-scale incursions into terrorism and crime which transformed a clever plan to defend Western democracy into a scheme which, according to startling new evidence unearthed by Observer researchers in many countries, struck at the very roots of Western values of freedom and the rule of law.


"The network and their caches were to remain ultra-secret until 1990. General Bernard Rogers, the former US commander of NATO, for instance, says he was unaware of the details. 'The organisation of any stay-behinds must have been at the national level and not at the NATO level,' he comments.


"As the years went by, the stay-behind network, which ended up as a semi-detached operation of NATO, extended across Europe, the British taking the lead in Belgium, the Netherlands, Scandinavia and the Iberian peninsula, the Americans elsewhere. The fact that various powers involved were not members of Nato - did not hinder Gladio being extended to their territory. The names of all the stay-behinds were lodged for safe keeping in London and Boston, Massachusetts.

"The extreme secrecy, and lack of supervision of the Gladio networks by elected governments meant that time and again they were to fall victim to right-wing extremists inside and outside the Western security services, who set their own political agendas and acted on them.


"A US military field manual published for the guidance of its officers stated: 'There may be times when host-country governments fall into passivity or indecision in face of Communist or Communist-inspired subversion and react with inadequate vigor to intelligence estimates transmitted by US agencies...In such cases US army intelligence must have the means of launching special operations which will convince host-country governments and public opinion of the reality of insurgent action and assess the counter-action.'

"Although doubt has been cast on the authenticity of the text, Ray Cline, a former deputy director of the CIA who joined US intelligence as a young man during the Second World War, has no doubt it is genuine.

"In Belgium, for instance, all evidence points to the fact that a US-born Gladio agent, Wood Gardiner, infiltrated the Belgian pacifist movement and persuaded some of its members in 1984 to steal shells from the missile base at Florenne. When the theft was discovered it did the pacifist cause no good at all.

"More important were the apparently random shootings in Belgian supermarkets which ended with a particularly nasty incident in 1983 in the town of Aalst, a few miles from Brussels, which became known as the Brabant-Walloon massacres. Senator Lallemand has linked the killings to 'the work of foreign governments or of intelligence services working for foreigners, a terrorism aimed a destabilising democratic society'.

"Martial Lekeu, a former member of the Belgian gendarmerie who was close to the investigation of the atrocities, that members of his own force were involved in the murders and that official inquiries into it were aborted.

"The British authorities, leaders with Washington in the scheme, are refusing all comment on Gladio. But information about Britain's role has come from parliamentary and other investigations carried out elsewhere in Europe.

"Belgian documents, starting with Spaak's letter of 1949, show what a major role Britain has constantly played. Papers presented to the parliamentary inquiry set up in Belgium on Gladio show that in Belgium in 1981 and in Britain in 1982 Belgian personnel received training from British instructors. In April 1982 Belgians prepared for a Gladio exercise involving Britain and the US, codenamed Blackbird, which was called off at the last minute when Argentina invaded the Falklands.

"In 1990 Colonel S. Schwebach of Belgian intelligence reported to his Defence Minister that an exercise called Waterland had taken place the previous year. In it, members of the Royal Marines Special Boat Squadron parachuted into the seas off the coast of Flanders, were guided ashore by Belgian civilians and went on to simulate the dynamiting of the massive canal locks at Zeebrugge.

"There were even reports, so far unconfirmed, in Belgium that Belgian personnel had been part of a recent Gladio exercise in Britain aimed at demonstrating that Dover docks could be put out of action were the Russians to occupy Kent.


"Licio Gelli, head of the P2 freemasons' lodge, who fought for Franco in the Spanish Civil War, was one of the greyest eminences in post-war Italy. He later became enmeshed with the Vatican in the Banco Ambrosiano swindle. After the war, he was recruited by Canadian occupying forces to work in the 'stay-behind' operation being set up throughout Italy. There were, he told us, 250 Gladio squads, each consisting of nine men.

'Many came from the ranks of the mercenaries who had fought in the Spanish Civil War and many came from the fascist republic of Salo. They chose individuals who were proved anti-Communists. I know it was a well-constructed organisation. Had Communist strength grown in Italy, America would have assisted us, we would have unleashed another war and we would have been generously supplied with arms from the air.'


"Vincenzo Vinciguerra, a convinced Fascist who was a member of the extremist Ordine Nuovo organisation and had close links with Gladio, has testified to us of his personal involvement in such schemes. Now serving a long sentence in Parma prison for his part in the killing of three carabinieri in the village of Peteano, he talked despite the Italian authorities' efforts to prevent access to him.

'You had to attack civilians, the people, women children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game,' he said. 'The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the State to ask for greater security. This is the political logic that lies behind all the massacres and the bombings which remain unpunished, because the State cannot convict itself or declare itself responsible for what happened.'


"As Gladio winds down and governments on the continent declare they have shut down their parts of the operation, the silence in Whitehall and the almost total lack of curiosity among MPs about an affair in which Britain was so centrally involved are remarkable. Perhaps John Major's new commitment to more openness in government will eventually produce some answers to the many Gladio riddles."

wow. the guy just comes out and says it, no apologies:

"You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent force these turn to the State to ask for greater security."

GLADIO: just one big "opera boffa", folks. so why can't we just have a good laugh now?

8/18/2006 12:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's see if I have this right...

...pedophiles get other pedophile's fawning admiration...

John Mark Karr, 41, told detectives he had a letter from the convicted killer of Polly Klaas, who was kidnapped from her Petaluma home in 1993, according to court papers. Karr also claimed to have a copy of the 12-year-old girl's death certificate.

A one-time substitute teacher and a married father of three who was under investigation for child pornography, Karr said he was researching a book on Richard Allen Davis, who is on death row for killing Klaas, and invited authorities to view the materials.

While searching his Petaluma house, authorities found pictures on his computer of children engaged in or simulating sex acts.


...while Serial Killers get oodles of women....

The more notorious and highly publicized the case, the more women come calling, said Lt. Eric Messick, spokesman for San Quentin.

Adoring letters and calls from women seeking killers' contact information flood San Quentin daily. A large number of them are from Germany and Britain. Messick speculated that the women sympathize with the condemned men because those nations have no death penalty.

He said 95 percent of correspondence to the convicted comes from women.

"It is a phenomenon that exists with the infamous male criminal," Messick said. "Usually, its a Death Row guy."

About five Death Row inmates at San Quentin get married each year, he said. There are 621 people on Death Row. California, however, does not allow conjugal visits for Death Row inmates.

Those who receive the most attention are Ramirez, Charles Manson and Scott Peterson.

Women still throw themselves at Ramirez, even though he is married. Manson - who held sway over a group of men and women followers, who murdered actress Sharon Tate and others on his command - receives several televisions from admirers every year.

Even before he arrived, dozens of calls came in from women wanting to get in touch with Peterson, who was convicted of killing his wife and unborn child.

One girl called Messick to ask how old you had to be to get married in California, and whether Death Row inmates can get married. When he said they could, she asked for Peterson's information.


Not that I necessarily believe Mr. Karr & his assertions. I do think that it's typical of our times that something as simple as a confession opens up such a huge can of worms.
Maybe it has always been that way & I just never noticed.
Maybe nothing has ever been simple.

Good & Evil aren't adversaries are they?
They're more like dance partners.

Women want to marry serial killers to be "famous."
Pedophiles just want to "love" children.
Religious masochists crave "penance" & "pain."

Hell, when the much touted Christian basis for our society, a.k.a. "the good guys," is as steeped in masochistic self hatred as it is, can we really expect much from the supposed "bad guys?."

Just read these bits from the
The Mormon Masturbation Manual & then tell me that these people aren't as utterly fucked up as Karr.

A Guide to Self-Control:

1. Never touch the intimate parts of your body except during normal toilet processes.

2. Avoid being alone as much as possible. Find good company and stay in this good company.

3. If you are associated with other persons having this same problem, YOU MUST BREAK OFF THEIR FRIENDSHIP. Never associate with other people having the same weakness. Don't suppose that two of you will quit together, you never will. You must get away from people of that kind. Just to be in their presence will keep your problem foremost in your mind. The problem must be taken OUT OF YOUR MIND for that is where it really exists. Your mind must be on other and more wholesome things.

4. When you bathe, do not admire yourself in a mirror. Never stay in the bath more than five or six minutes -- just long enough to bathe and dry and dress AND THEN GET OUT OF THE BATHROOM into a room where you will have some member of your family present.

5. When in bed, if that is where you have your problem for the most part, dress yourself for the night so securely that you cannot easily touch your vital parts, and so that it would be difficult and time consuming for you to remove those clothes. By the time you started to remove protective clothing you would have sufficiently controlled your thinking that the temptation would leave you.

6. If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, GET OUT OF BED AND GO INTO THE KITCHEN AND FIX YOURSELF A SNACK, even if it is in the middle of the night, and even if you are not hungry, and despite your fears of gaining weight. The purpose behind this suggestion is that you GET YOUR MIND ON SOMETHING ELSE. You are the subject of your thoughts, so to speak.

7. Never read pornographic material. Never read about your problem. Keep it out of mind. Remember -- "First a thought, then an act."

8. Put wholesome thoughts into your mind at all times. Read good books -- Church books -- Scriptures -- Sermons of the Brethern [sic, Cistern too?]. Make a daily habit of reading at least one chapter of Scripture, preferably from one of the four Gospels in the New Testament, or the Book of Mormon. The four Gospels -- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- above anything else in the Bible can be helpful because of their uplifting qualities.

9. Pray. But when you pray, don't pray about this problem, for that will tend to keep [it] in your mind more than ever. Pray for faith, pray for understanding of the Scriptures, pray for the Missionaries, the General Authorities, your friends, your families, BUT KEEP THE PROBLEM OUT OF YOUR MIND BY NOT MENTIONING IT EVER -- NOT IN CONVERSATION WITH OTHERS, NOT IN YOUR PRAYERS. KEEP IT _OUT_ of your mind! The attitude of a person toward his problem has an affect on how easy it is to overcome. It is essential that a firm commitment be made to control the habit. As a person understands his reasons for the behavior, and is sensitive to the conditions or situations that may trigger a desire for the act, he develops the power to control it.

As one meets with his Priesthood Leader, a program for overcoming masturbation can be implemented using some of these suggestions. Remember it is essential that a regular report program be agreed on, so progress can be recognized and failures understood and eliminated.


1. Pray daily, ask for the gifts of the Spirit, that which will strengthen you against temptation. Pray fervently and out loud when the temptations are the strongest.

2. Follow a program of vigorous daily exercise. The exercises reduce emotional tension and depression and are absolutely basic to the solution of this problem. Double your physical activity when you feel stress increasing.

3. When the temptation to masturbate is strong, yell STOP to those thoughts as loudly as you can in your mind and then recite a prechosen Scripture or sing an inspirational hymn. It is important to turn your thoughts away from the selfish need to indulge.

4. Set goals of abstinence, begin with a day, then a week, month, year and finally commit to never doing it again. Until you commit yourself to never again you will always be open to temptation.

5. Change in behavior and attitude is most easily achieved through a changed self-image. Spend time every day imagining yourself strong and in control, easily overcoming tempting situations.

6. Begin to work daily on a self-improvement program. Relate this plan to improving your Church service, to improving your relationships with your family, God and others. Strive to enhance your strengths and talents.

7. Be outgoing and friendly. Force yourself to be with others and learn to enjoy working and talking to them. Use principles of developing friendships found in books such as How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie.

8. Be aware of situations that depress you or that cause you to feel lonely, bored, frustrated or discouraged. These emotional states can trigger the desire to masturbate as a way of escape. Plan in advance to counter these low periods through various activities, such as reading a book, visiting a friend, doing something athletic, etc.

9. Make a pocket calendar for a month on a small card. Carry it with you, but show it to no one. If you have a lapse of self control, color the day black. Your goal will be to have no black days. The calendar becomes a strong visual reminder of self control and should be looked at when you are tempted to add another black day. Keep your calendar up until you have at least three clear months.

10. A careful study will indicate you have had the problem at certain times and under certain conditions. Try and recall, in detail, what your particular times and conditions were. Now that you understand how it happens, plan to break the pattern through counter activities.

11. In the field of psychotherapy there is a very effective technique called aversion therapy. When we associate or think of something very distasteful with something which has been pleasurable, but undesirable, the distasteful thought and feeling will begin to cancel out that which was pleasurable. If you associate something very distasteful with your loss of self-control it will help you to stop the act. For example, if you are tempted to masturbate, think of having to bathe in a tub of worms, and eat several of them as you do the act.

12. During your toileting and shower activities leave the bathroom door or shower curtain partly open, to discourage being alone in total privacy. Take cool brief showers.

13. Arise immediately in the mornings. Do not lie in bed awake, no matter what time of day it is. Get up and do something. Start each day with an enthusiastic activity.

14. Keep your bladder empty. Refrain from drinking large amounts of fluids before retiring.

15. Reduce the amount of spices and condiments in your food. Eat as lightly as possible at night.

16. Wear pajamas that are difficult to open, yet loose and not binding.

17. Avoid people, situations, pictures or reading materials that might create sexual excitement.

18. It is sometimes helpful to have a physical object to use in overcoming this problem. A Book of Mormon, firmly held in hand, even in bed at night has proven helpful in extreme cases.

19. In very severe cases it may be necessary to tie a hand to the bed frame with a tie in order that the habit of masturbating in a semi-sleep condition can be broken. This can also be accomplished by wearing several layers of clothing which would be difficult to remove while half asleep.

20. Set up a reward system for your successes. It does not have to be a big reward. A quarter in a receptacle each time you overcome or reach a goal. Spend it on something which delights you and will be a continuing reminder of your progress.

21. Do not let yourself return to any past habit or attitude patterns which were part of your problem. Satan Never Gives Up. Be calmly and confidently on guard. Keep a positive mental attitude. You can win this fight! The joy and strength you will feel when you do will give your whole life a radiant and spiritual glow of satisfaction and fulfillment.


One thing they don't explain is how, after a year on this program, you can possibly shit when your asshole tightens to the size of a pin.

This does need repeating " For example, if you are tempted to masturbate, think of having to bathe in a tub of worms, and eat several of them as you do the act."

No fucking thank you ya sick & twisted weasels.

If this is the height of spirituality , then I'd say we're all pretty well screwed.

"I have wiped entire civilizations off of my chest with a grey gym sock. Entire nations have flaked & crusted in the hair around my navel."
Bill Hicks

8/18/2006 01:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One more thing, i'd truly like to extend my condolences to any Mormon teens who are attempting to live by that hellacious horseshit above.

I remember those lovely teen years when any change in wind direction was enough reason for an erection.

If you're serious about binding yourselves in escape proof jammies I wish y'all well on that little endeavor.


If you try every suggestion & still find yourself dating Thumbalina & her 4 sisters, may I suggest a good sound thwack in the head with a skillet every time the beast with two backs pops into your head.

You could consider that your last turn off from the hell-bound fist humping orgy imagining highway that you're riding on.

You've been warned.

"I've got backed up semen that's about to make my head explode. the next time I cum it's going to be like a wax dart shooting out of my dick....
Bill Hicks

8/18/2006 01:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Against the Islamicization of Our Culture A prolific author and former sociology professor, one of his most popular books was the recent "Against the Islamicization of Our Culture." He called himself the Dutch Samuel Huntington, drawing attention to the similarity of views with those of the author of "The Clash of Civilizations," a book newly popular after the terrorist attacks, based on a 1993 Foreign Affairs article. Fortuyn remarked, "What we are witnessing now is a clash of civilizations, not just between states but within them." "

A note of caution should be added here as this is the Samuel Huntgindon who says:"Unless we hate what we are not, we cannot love what we are …’ We know who we are only when we know who are we not… when we know whom we are against"
Prof’ Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations- Remaking of World Order (1993).

This is an agenda for global war on the 21st century - EXACTLY the agenda of the Skull and Bones tombsmen who have their dirty hands on the levers of US govt.

In this sense I think Pym Fortun was caught in a no man's land. Speaking an important, but partial truth, he found himself both of and against TPB and in a manner very similar to Lady Di had to pay with his life for it....

8/18/2006 02:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, Richard,

Since you like hanging out at the intersection of Sex-n-Religion, why don't I ever hear you talk about the Jews or the Muslims? After all, the one cuts off the tip of their faithful men's dicks, while the other sews up the lips of their unfaithful women's pussies... P-LENTY for you and Freud to go on there! Or do you only do Christians and Christian knock-offs? Branch out a little, for the gods' sakes!

8/18/2006 03:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


More on JonBenet case in the David McGowan book Programmed to Kill, at Anon 12:13's link (first comment).


Tal, thanks for the xymphora links. I'll continue to ride them for the next few days. Shrub, exactly. Look at the eyes. It's not that hard for me to believe that's what an MK ULTRA subject looks and acts like.

They are all multiples/dissociatives. Every. One. Of. Them. How large is the truly "in" group of dissociatives who are simply the tag along useful idiots they discard later, is known of course only to them.

They even self-submit to "tune up tortures" (now from the 1970s, thoroughly electronic biofeedback based, Svali says) on each other to keep themselves in check and properly (sic) stable in multiple personality ability to dissemble. "It makes you strong," they tell themselves and their children. "We want you to be strong."

They build whole diagrammed maps of people's alters/split personalities from birth to suit the Order's cult atmosphere and desires for airtight secrecy (all are multiples), and keep heavy documentation on just what they do to each other to make them all the more controllable.

A high level "out" is Svali--highest ever out so far, even though she was only a regional programmer/trainer.

First, below:

Her statements in an interview with Greg Symanski can be followed here:

Second, at that link has been placed her earlier more detailed discussion of the "culture of the Illuminati in action" and the "science of ritual abuse" in a detailed interview from several years previously:

ILLUMINATI: Interview of Ex-Programmer/Trainer; History, Techniques, & Public Interfaces
author: interview

Exclusive Interview with an Ex-Illuminati Programmer/Trainer

Cult History, Programming Techniques, and the Public Interfaces

By Svali

Svali used to be a programmer and trainer in the cult of the Illuminati. Both she and her entire family were involved in the cult group until several years ago, when they finally broke free. She has been a consultant to an on-line survivors group that helps people dealing with issues related to cult programming and ritual abuse. Svali, a writer and a registered nurse, has self-published a book on breaking free of cult programming, which several experts in the field have said has "invaluable information" for the survivor of ritual abuse [which many still deny exists].

Her articles are [additionally] published online at [though the above link is the spell corrected and more clearly demarcated version, with a table of contents].

She is now married to her second husband and has two children.

The New World Order of an old world dream: being an exposé on a transgenerational, international, secret ritual-abuse & occult society with traceable bloodlines of thousand of years--a small nexus of families that have been powerful for millennia, publicly and privately, riding the waves of history.

Svali: "Weishaupt did not create the Illuminati, they chose him as a figurehead and told him what to write about. The financiers, dating back to the bankers during the times of the Templar Knights who financed the early kings in Europe, created the Illuminati. [I think she is then talking about what others have called the "Black Nobility."] Weishaupt was their "go fer", who did their bidding."

Weishaput himself as a mere cover, eh? Fascinating.

More by following the links above.

There is a cultural thing in the Illuminati that how you get ahead or make political contacts with others is "loaning out" your young children for sex to them to bond with and enjoy--and make a cross familiy link.

Greg Symanski's later interviews with Svali came out several years after the above very detailed and almost book length expose of her position and the part she played in the Illuminati.

Information jogs with the Brice Taylor MKULTRA escapee book Thanks for the Memories and the other MKULTRA escapee Cathy O'Brien in TranceFormation of America: The True Life Story of a CIA Mind Control Slave. You can read the reviews.


Hi, my name is Svali. Both I and my entire family were involved in a cult group until several years ago, when we broke free. I used to be a programmer in the cult, and now I want to share the knowledge that I have to help others. It is possible to break free of cult abuse if a person is involved. It is a long, heart-breaking process, but well worth it. In the articles that I will be providing, I hope to help the survivor of cult abuse find tools to help in their journey towards freedom.

I have been a consultant to an on-line survivors group that helps people dealing with issues related to cult programming and becoming free, for the past year and a half. I myself have been in therapy for ritual abuse and DID for nine years, with the last five being aware of the recent cult abuse.

I am also a writer, and a registered nurse. I currently work as a diabetic educator in Texas 20 hours a week.

I have also self-published a book on breaking free of cult programming, which several experts in the field have said has "invaluable information" for the survivor of ritual abuse.

Both my ex-husband and my two children broke free of cult abuse last year. My children are living with me while my husband is working on healing. They all have DID (dissociative identity disorder, formerly known as multiple personality disorder) as well, which makes life at home interesting! I am currently married to my second husband, who is also a recovered DID and who got out of the cult five years ago.

Foreword, by Dr. Henry Makow, Ph.D.

Henry Makow, is the inventor of the board game Scruples, and the author of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his Ph.D. in English Literature from the University of Toronto. He welcomes your feedback and ideas at

Book Recommendation and Topical Summary

Illuminati Defector Details Pervasive Conspiracy

If you detect the devil's hand in current events, you may be closer to the truth than you think.

A woman who was raised in the Illuminati cult describes a powerful secret organization comprising one per cent of the U.S. population that has infiltrated all social institutions and is covertly preparing a military takeover.

Her revelations cast the "war on terror" and "homeland security" in their true light.

"Svali" is the pseudonym of the woman, age 45, who was a mind "programmer" for the cult until 1996. She was the sixth head trainer in the San Diego branch and had 30 trainers reporting to her. She has risked her life to warn humanity of the Illuminati's covert power and agenda.

She describes a sadistic Satanic cult led by the richest and most powerful people in the world. It is largely homosexual and pedophile, practices animal sacrifice and ritual murder. It works "hand in glove" with the CIA and Freemasonry. It is Aryan supremacist (German is spoken at the top) but welcomes Jewish apostates. It controls the world traffic in drugs, guns, pornography and prostitution.

It may be the hand behind political assassination, and "terrorism," including Sept. 11, the Maryland sniper and the Bali bomb blast.

It has infiltrated government on a local, state and national level; education and financial institutions; religion and the media. Based in Europe, it plans a "world order" that will make its earlier attempts, Nazism and Communism, look like picnics. One other detail: these people are not happy.

Svali's courageous testimony explains why our children are no longer taught civic values, why they are being habituated to homosexuality and violence, and why our "culture" is descending into nihilism and sexual depravity. It raises the possibility that George W. Bush and his Administration are Illuminists and much of the world "elite" is engaged in a mind-boggling criminal conspiracy.

In March 2000, Svali began writing a monthly column for survivors of Illuminati ritual abuse at In December 2000, H.J. Springer, the editor of CentrExNews,com contacted Svali and conducted an extended 18-part interview with her by email, which is reproduced on line and is copyrighted.

"I am convinced she is the real McCoy," Springer wrote to me. "I have personally relayed numerous email messages to her from other members-- ritually abused, brainwashed, raped, sexually abused people & you name it-- some of them confirming to me her story. So I have absolutely no doubt that Svali has been part of the Illuminati since childhood."

I also trust Svali's testimony because it confirms my intuition and intensive research. Everything fits: from the dead hand that seems to suppress humanity to why Clinton gave secret technology to the Chinese, to persistent reports of concentration camps in the US. It explains why people I know behave in a conspiratorial way. I thank Svali for giving me a frightening but incredible key to understanding the world.

A friend urged me to beware of a hoax and offered to help confirm Svali's personal story. I accepted. I invite you to read her entire testimony and make up your own mind.

Read "Part One" to "Part 18" first, starting at the middle of the list and working up.

With their permission, here are some highlights of Svali's correspondence with's H.J. Springer. I have also included material from her article "Are the Illuminati Taking Over the World?"

Pervasive Presence

Svali: "The Illuminati are present in every major metropolitan centre in the United States. The Illuminati believe in controlling an area through its: banks and financial institutions (guess how many sit on banking boards? You'd be surprised) Local government: guess how many get elected to local city councils? Law: children are encouraged to go to law school and medical school. Media: others are encouraged to go to journalism school, and members help fund local papers.


Svali: "The Illuminati is a group that practices a form of faith known as "enlightenment". It is Luciferian, and they teach their followers that their roots go back to the ancient mystery religions of Babylon, Egypt, and Celtic druidism. They have taken what they consider the "best" of each, the foundational practices, and joined them together into a strongly occult discipline. Many groups at the local level worship ancient deities such as "El", "Baal", and "Ashtarte", as well as "Isis and Osiris" and "Set".... I do know that these people teach and practice evil."


Svali: "Weishaupt did not create the Illuminati, they chose him as a figurehead and told him what to write about. The financiers, dating back to the bankers during the times of the Templar Knights who financed the early kings in Europe, created the Illuminati. Weishaupt was their "go fer", who did their bidding."

Military Takeover

Svali: "Briefly, each region of the United States has "nerve centres" or power bases for regional activity. The United States has been divided up into seven major geographical regions. Each region has localities within it that contain military compounds and bases that are hidden in remote, isolated areas or on large private estates.

These bases are used intermittently to teach and train generational Illuminati in military techniques, hand- to- hand combat, crowd control, use of arms, and all aspects of military warfare. Why? Because the Illuminists believe that our government, as we know it, as well as the governments of most nations around the world, are destined to collapse. These will be planned collapses,
and they will occur in the following ways:

The Illuminati has planned first for a financial collapse that will make the great depression look like a picnic. This will occur through the maneuvering of the great banks and financial institutions of the world, through stock manipulation, and interest rate changes. Most people will be indebted to the federal government through bank and credit card debt, etc. The governments will recall all debts immediately, but most people will be unable to pay and will be bankrupted. This will cause generalized financial panic, which will occur simultaneously worldwide, as the Illuminists firmly believe in controlling people through finances.

Doesn't sound pleasant, does it? I don't know the exact time frame for all of this, and wouldn't want to even guess. The good news is that if a person is debt-free, owes nothing to the government or credit debt, and can live self sufficiently, they may do better than others. I would invest in gold, not stocks, if I had the income. Gold will once again be the world standard, and dollars will be pretty useless (remember after the Civil War? Our money will be worth about what confederate money was after the collapse).

Next there will be a military takeover, region by region, as the government declares a state of emergency and martial law. People will have panicked, there will be an anarchical state in most localities, and the government will justify its move as being necessary to control panicked citizens. The cult trained military leaders and people under their direction will use arms as well as crowd control techniques to implement this new state of affairs. ...Military bases will be set up, in each locality (actually, they are already here, but are covert). In the next few years, they will go above ground and be revealed. Each locality will have regional bases and leaders to which they are accountable. The hierarchy will closely reflect the current covert hierarchy.

About five years ago, when I left the Illuminati, approximately 1% of the US population was either part of the Illuminati, sympathetic to it, or a victim of Mind Control (and therefore considered useable). While this may not sound like many, imagine 1% of the population highly trained in the use of armaments, crowd control, psychological and behavioral techniques, armed with weapons and linked to paramilitary groups."


Svali: "The national council [consists of] influential bankers with OLD money such as: The Rockefellers, the Mellon family, the Carnegie family, the Rothschild family etc. I know I shouldn't name names, but I will.

The "Supreme World Council" is already set up as a prototype of the one that will rule when the NWO comes into being. It meets on a regular basis to discuss finances, direction, policy, etc. and to problem-solve difficulties that come up. Once again, these leaders are heads in the financial world, OLD banking money. The Rothschild family in England, and in France, have ruling seats. A descendant of the Hapsburg dynasty has a generational seat. A descendant of the ruling families of England and France have a generational seat. The Rockefeller family in the US holds a seat.

This is one reason that the Illuminati have been pretty "untouchable" over the years. The ruling members are very, very, very wealthy and powerful. I hope this information is helpful. How do I know this? I was on a local leadership council (a head trainer), but I talked to those on regional.

Also, every Illuminati child is taught who their "leaders" are, and told to take an oath of allegiance to them and the "New Order to come"."


Svali: "The Illuminati leadership state that they are descended from royal bloodlines, as well as unbroken occult heritage.

See, there were two definitions of "royalty" used. Open royalty that is currently seen now, and "hidden royalty" of royal lineage and extreme occult power. Sometimes the two were concurrent, such as with the Prince of Wales.

I never thought of which country/line held the most power, since I was just a peon busily doing my job. But my understanding was: The Hanoverian / Hapsburg descendants rule in Germany over the Bruderheist. They are considered one of the strongest lines for occult as well. The British line is just under them, with the royal family. Definitely, they rule the UK branch under the Rothschilds in the occult realm, even though parliament rules the country openly.

In France, again, descendants of the royal families are also in power in the occult realm, but the French Rothschilds hold the reigns over all of them."

Rank of the US

Svali: "The U.S. is considered lower, and younger, than the European branches... .Germany, France, and the UK form a triumvirate that rules in the European cult. The USSR is considered important, and has the strongest military groups. The USSR has been promised fourth position in the New World Order, BEFORE the role the U.S. would have, because the USSR has been more helpful and cooperative over the years with furthering the agenda.

The descendants of the former ruling families there are also involved in the occult leadership, along with the newer ones. There is no Marxism in the cult. China will be ranked after the USSR, then the U.S. But a lot of the current U.S. leadership will be in Europe when the change occurs, and many have homes there. They will be "changing nationalities" overnight, as it were. This is the little that I do remember. Wish I had been a better student of this stuff, but I was too busy trying to stay alive when I was in it.

Russia will be the military base and powerhouse of the group, since their military commanders (Illuminist) are considered the best in the world, and very, very disciplined. China, because of its roots in oriental occultism, and its large population, will also be considered a higher power than the US. But again, the real power will reside in Europe, according to what I was taught when part of the group.

The United Nations

Svali: "The UN was created early in this century in order to help overcome one of the biggest barriers to a one-world government ...That barrier is the one of nationalism, or pride in one's country. This is why it was NOT a popular concept when first introduced, it took years of country bashing in the media and the destruction of any sense of national pride by a (not so subtle) media campaign over the years.

The UN is a preparation, but it is not the real power in the world, and will be relatively unimportant when the NWO comes into being. The real councils will then step forward. But as a means of getting the general public to accept the idea of a "global community" and the "one world community" the UN is a stepping stone in their working towards the NWO."


Svali: "The conflict in the Middle East is only to the advantage of the Illuminists. They HATE Israel, and hope one day to see it destroyed, and are biding their time. One of the olive branches offered by the UN when it takes over is that they will prevent war in the Middle East, and this will be greeted with joy by many.

At the same time, the Illuminati covertly supply guns and funds to BOTH sides to keep the conflict fuelled. They are very duplicitous people. They used to funnel guns through the USSR to Palestine, for example, in the name of promoting "friendliness" between the USSR and this state and other Arab nations. Then, the US Illuminists would help funnel guns to Israel, for the same reason.

These people love the game of chess, and see warfare between nations as creating an order out of chaos. The USSR is going to get stronger again. It has too strong a military both openly, and covertly (ALL Illuminati military trainers have visited Russia to learn from them) to sit quietly and quiescently to the side. In the NWO, they will be stronger than us."

Is the Illuminati a JEWISH conspiracy?

Svali: "Absolutely not. In fact, Hitler and his people (especially Himmler and Goebbels) were top Illuminists. The Illuminati are racist in the extreme, and as a child, I was forced to play "concentration camp" both on my farm in Virginia, and also in Europe in isolated camps in Germany.

The Jews historically fought against the occult (see Deuteronomy and the Old Testament for how God through the Jewish people tried to cleanse the land of the occult groups that were operating there, such as those who worshipped Baal, Ashtarte, and other Canaanite and Babylonian gods.

(from an email to Henry Makow) Yes, there are some very powerful Jewish people in this group. For instance, the Rothschild family literally runs the financial empire in Europe (and indirectly the States), and are a well-known Jewish family. I have also known people whose parents were Jewish diamond merchants in the group, and at every level. But to rise to power in the Illuminati, a Jewish person at night would be forced to renounce their faith, and to give their first allegiance to Lucifer and the beliefs of the Illuminati. In return for this betrayal, they believe that power (financial) and rewards come; and in one sense they do, but at too high a price (losing their eternal soul).

The nazi/concentration camp mentality is very strong, though, and I was told that Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels, and others were high-ranking German members of the group (Himmler was higher than the other two), and Mengele their paid puppet as well, who later worked as a high trainer of the American branch between his periods of hiding in South America. They honestly believed that they were acting as agents of their 'gods' to exterminate the Jewish race, and I am so, so sorry that this group has enacted so many horrors on the earth (and so, so glad that I left it).

I hope this helps you. I have always wondered this, though, why some of the highest ranking financial families in the group (baron Rothschild of France is one of the 13 European lords, or "kings" that run the group in Europe, and sits on the World Council) are Jewish, yet the group espouses hatred of their own race."


Svali: "Lots of Illuminists have Fourth Reich programming inside. The Illuminati are racist, and have a very "Aryan" outlook. They believe strongly in the rule of the "pure" and "intelligent" by their definitions, and in their ceremonies, there will occasionally be minorities killed in ceremonies.

They are trying to breed a "genetically superior" race to rule, with their children and descendants. They are also followers of Plato's Republic, and believe that they will be the ones to usher in this "Utopian" rule with the NWO in their opinion. In their Utopia, the intelligentsia will rule, and the sheep like masses will follow their leaders (that is their view of the world; that the occult leaders are "enlightened' and intelligent, while the average person is a "sheep" to be led by the nose)."


Svali: "The Freemasons and the Illuminati are hand in glove. I don't care if this steps on any toes, it's a fact. The Masonic temple at Alexandria, Virginia (the city itself was named after Alexandria, Egypt, and is a hotbed of Illuminati activity) is a centre in the Washington, DC area for Illuminati scholarship and teaching. I was taken there at intervals for testing, to step up a level, for scholarship, and high ceremonies. The leaders in this Masonic group were also Illuminists.

This has been true of every large city I have lived in. The top Freemasons were also top Illuminists. My maternal grandparents were both high ranking Masons in the city of Pittsburgh, Pa. (president of the Eastern Star and 33rd degree Mason) and they both were also leaders in the Illuminati in that area.

Are all Masons Illuminati? No, especially at the lower levels, I believe they know nothing of the practices that occur in the middle of the night in the larger temples.
Many are probably fine businessmen and Christians. But I have never known a 32 degree or above who wasn't Illuminati, and the group helped create [i.e., come to dominate] Freemasonry as a "front" for their activities."

CIA FBI are all infiltrated. So are Mormons etc.

Svali: "Many of the administrators and directors at the FBI are also Illuminists. The CIA helped bring over German scientists after WWII. Many of these were also Illuminati leaders in their own country, and they were welcomed with open arms by the U.S. group. They also funneled all information they were learning to the Illuminati.

The Mormons affiliated years ago in a meeting with Illuminati leadership in the 1950s. The same with the Jehovah's Witnesses."

The Cold War

Svali: "Russia was never really a threat to us. Marxism was funded by the Illuminati, and espoused as a counterbalance to capitalism. The Illuminati believe strongly in balancing opposing forces, in the pull between opposites. They see history as a complex chess game, and they will fund one side, then another, while ultimately out of the chaos and division ..., they are laughing because they are ultimately beyond political parties. A top western financier will secretly meet with an eastern or Russian "adversary" during those years, and have a good laugh at how the "sheep" were being deluded. I am sharing here what I was taught, and also observed.

They are truly an international group, and the group's agenda supersedes any nationalistic feelings. There is also a lot of trading back and forth of members in these groups. A Russian trainer might come to the US for awhile, complete a job, then go back, or vice-versa."

Assassin Training

Svali: "Here is how it is done (how it was done to me):

[1] When the child is 2 years old, place them in a metal cage with electrodes attached. Shock the child severely.

[2] Take the child out, and place a kitten in its hands. Tell the child to wring the kitten's neck. The child will cry and refuse.

[3] Put the child into the cage, and shock them until they are dazed and cannot scream any more.

[4] Take the child out, and tell them again to wring the kitten's neck. This time the child will shake all over, cry, but do it, afraid of the torture. The child will then go into the corner and vomit afterwards, while the adult praises them for "doing such a good job".

This is the first step. The animals get bigger over time, as the child gets older. They will be forced to kill an infant at some point, either a set up or VR, or in reality. They will be taught by age 9 to put together a gun, to aim, and fire on target and on command. They will then practice on realistic manikins. They will then practice on animals. They will then practice on "expendables" or in VR. They will be highly praised if they do well, and tortured if they don't comply.

The older the child or teen, the more advanced the training. By age 15, most children will also be forced to do hand to hand combat in front of spectators (high people who come to watch the "games" much as the ancient gladiators performed). These matches are rarely done to the death, usually until one child goes down. They use every type of weapon imaginable, and learn to fight for their lives. If a child loses a fight, they are heavily punished by their trainer, who loses "face". If they win, they are again praised for being "strong' and adept with weapons. By the time they are 21, they are well trained combat/killing machines with command codes to kill and they have been tested over and over to prove that they WILL obey on command. This is how children in the German Illuminati are brought up, I went through it myself."

Trust in Family

Svali: "They tell their children as they are torturing them, "I am doing this because I love you." To them, the greatest love is to make a child strong, and fit to lead or to move higher in the group, by whatever means it takes.

If a leader sees a child, and wants it as a prostitute, the loving parents will give it away, happy that their child will rise in status. Also, again, they view betrayal as the greatest good. They will do set up after set up to teach their children to never openly trust others.

I remember hundreds of agonizing set ups and betrayals, and hearing when I was betrayed or wounded, "And such is the heart of man." Those doing this to me thought they were teaching me something of value, that would help me. And because of the vicious and political nature of the group, in one sense they were right; the naive get stepped on and wounded. I have known parents who tried to spare their children some of this out of love, but often they were overruled by other family members, who viewed these parents as "weak" and "unfit" to teach their child."


Svali: "Most of them are wounded, abused victims, who don't realize that it is possible to leave the group. There is a lot of discontent in the ranks, and there would be a mass exodus if the members believed it were really possible to get out (and live). Many of the trainers I knew (I know, wicked, torturing pedophiles) were NOT happy with what they did. They would whisper quietly, or give a look, to show that they disagreed with what they had to do. They would resignedly do their jobs, in the hope of advancement.

Know what one of the biggest carrots offered to those who advance up in the group is? That you don't have to hurt people anymore, and that you can't be abused (it's true: only those higher than you in the group can abuse you, so everyone wants to move up, where the pool of candidates becomes smaller). Of course, people can choose to abuse anyone beneath them, and that motivates.

The Illuminati are a very political and back stabbing group, a "dog eat dog" mentality; everyone wants to move up. These are NOT nice people and they use and manipulate others viciously. They cut their eyeteeth on status, power, and money.

They never openly disclose their agenda, or their cult activities, as often they are amnesic to them. These are well-respected, "Christian" appearing business leaders in the community. The image in the community is all-important to an Illuminist; they will do anything to maintain a normal, respected facade, and DESPISE exposure. ....

None of the Illuminists that I have known, had unkind, or evil appearing, persona in their daytime lives, although some were dysfunctional, such as being alcoholics. The dissociation that drives the Illuminists is their greatest cover ... Many, if not most, of these people are completely unaware of the great evil that they are involved in, during the night."


Also, remember those studies that stated that "TV violence doesn't affect children's behaviour" years ago? Guess who funded them? They are a bunch of bullcrud. What a person watches DOES influence them, and this is well known by the behaviourists in the group. In fact, they know that TV is a tool that they purposely use to influence "the masses". It cannot create a total personality change in the average citizen, but it can desensitize us increasingly to violence, pornography and the occult, and influence the perceptions of young children.

Rock Music

I believe that Brittany Spears, Eminem, and others are being used by them to sing lyrics they like (ever notice that he wears a Neo-Nazi look and sings hate lyrics? This is NOT by chance). In fact, many of the top pop singers come from an internship with the "Mickey Mouse club" (yep, good old Walt the Illuminist's Empire) and I believe they are offered stardom in exchange for allegiance or mind control.

How many lyrics advocate suicide, violence, despair, or New Age spirituality in pop/rock today? Or just get a copy of the words and read (but be aware that many are possibly triggering to survivors of mind control).

Illuminati Weaknesses

Svali: "1. Their arrogance (I think I mentioned this before) is their weakness. These people think they are untouchable, and this could make them careless.
2. If by a miracle, enough people took this SERIOUSLY and started organizing in some way to stop the Illuminati take over, with prayer and God's guidance, perhaps they could be stopped. I hope so, with all of my heart.
3. Stopping pornography and child prostitution and drug smuggling and gun running would take out a huge chunk of their profits. Maybe they would slow down. But honestly, stopping the above would be as difficult as stopping the group."

Public's Denial Mechanism

Svali: The evidence is there, but in my opinion, the average person does NOT want to know, and even when confronted with it, will look the other way.

INSET: True Story of Sex, Child Abuse, Murder & Drugs, Covered Up By Authorities
Picture: The front page headline of The Washington Times (June 29, 1989).
Websites, Articles, Radio Interviews, and Documentary: (a) articles and MP3 radio interview with Ex-Senator, attorney, and book author DeCamp, "Interview of Ex-Senator Decamp on Government Child Killings, " by xx (Thursday Oct. 24, 2002),; (b) webcast video: "Conspiracy of Silence," the Franklin cover-up video, by xx (Tuesday March 04, 2003) [RealVideo: stream with RealPlayer],, or RM file (33.3 megabytes, [MB]) of same video in a higher res format for downloading: Conspiracy of Silence, a documentary listed for viewing in TV Guide Magazine was to be aired on the Discovery Channel, on May 3, 1994. This documentary exposed a network of religious leaders and Washington politicians who flew children to Washington D.C. for sex orgies. Many children suffered the indignity of wearing nothing but their underwear and a number displayed on a piece of cardboard hanging from their necks when being auctioned off to foreigners in Las Vegas, Nevada and Toronto, Canada. At the last minute before airing, unknown congressmen threatened the TV Cable industry with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired. Almost immediately, the rights to the documentary were purchased by unknown persons who had ordered all copies destroyed. A copy of this videotape was furnished anonymously to former Nebraska state senator and attorney John De Camp who made it available to retired F.B.I. chief, Ted L. Gunderson. While the video quality is not top grade, this tape is a blockbuster in what is revealed by the participants involved. (c) article: "Nebraska Inquiry Is Given File on Sex Abuse of Foster Children,"By William Robbins, Special to The New York Times, The New York Times; Section 1; Part 1, Page 18, Column 2; National Desk (December 25, 1988, Sunday, Late City Final Edition). (d) book: The Franklin Coverup: Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska, by John W. Decamp. AWT, Inc. 1992. ISBN: 0-9632158-0-9. This book, written by a former state Senator, documents a web of abuses that could easily have been a cover operation for CIA mind control and child-sex entrapment operations. There have been persistent reports of prominent politicians being involved in sex and drug rings of this kind. The potential for blackmail and the position of strength that the managers of such an operation could achieve is staggering.

The Franklin case is a case is a point. How much evidence has come out? Or the MK-Ultra documents that have been declassified, shown as real, and people ignore it.

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox. But I believe that the media that downplays ritual abuse is feeding into a deep need in the average person to NOT know the reality.

In fact, how can a person face the fact of great evil in mankind, unless they have either a strong faith in God, or are faced with insurmountable evidence? We as human beings want to believe the BEST of our race, not the worst, IMHO.

I really don't believe people will do anything about the Illuminati even if they know. Sorry for the cynicism, but it is based on a lifetime of experience.

The Illuminists don't care who prints this stuff, or if they are "exposed" because they are counting on the majority not believing it, having done a pretty good job with a media blitz campaign (seen any articles in Newsweek or Time lately that addresses this other than as a laughable conspiracy theory? Guess who owns Time-Warner?).

I have heard them laughing about this very thing in leadership meetings five years ago, and I doubt their attitude has changed much since then. If people DID believe this, if action could be taken, then I would be very surprised and quite happy."

"Svali" is a registered nurse and freelance writer living in Texas.

Henry Makow Ph.D.
October 14, 2002

INTRODUCTORY QUOTE, By Svali [more about Svali biography below]

I just want to add that the Illuminati are only one of several occult groups that operate in the North American continent. There are many others, and they may do more recruitment and things that I haven't mentioned. The Illuminists tend to have a more scientific, and military, approach to their programming, whereas other groups operate differently. Some groups, such as the Templar Knights, do NOT believe in demonic worship, although they are Luciferian and practice mysteries. Each group has its own agenda. I can only speak for the Illuminati in the areas of the U.S. and Europe that I lived in.

The Illuminati and their followers are a minority of our world's population. In San Diego County, where the population is over 2 million, there existed 5 years ago 24 sister groups with membership of roughly 60 to 75 each. Leadership council over the county was 13 members. So, in a metro center with over 2 million, the active Illuminists comprised less than 1500 members. The Illuminati are possibly 1% to 2% of the population in the US.

What this means is that 99% of the people you know and work with are NOT Illuminati. They are good, hard working people (at least most are) who want a paycheck, and a good family life. MOST of the leaders in our communities and financial systems have never heard of the Illuminati, because they are a minority.

So, why worry about them? Because a small group of evil people can do great damage.



Exclusive Interview with an Ex-Illuminati Programmer/Trainer

Table of Contents

Part 1 - About Svali

Part 2 - Who and What is the Illuminati? -

Part 3 - How the Illuminati runs Hollywood -

Part 4 - The Illuminati - Freemason Connection -

Part 5 - Illuminati - CIA Connection - Russia & China -

Part 6 - Ritual Abuse - Mind Control Denial; Bohemian Grove -

Part 7 - Illuminati Symbols and Clues; Level of Infiltration -

Part 8 - The Fourth Reich -

Part 9 - Ritual Sacrifices - Demons- Shape Shifting -

Part 10 - More About Demonic Shape Shifting -

Part 11 - Illuminati Proof - Vulnerabilities

Part 12 - The Top of the Pyramid -

Part 13 - The UN or 'Supreme World Council' -


Q & A - Svali Answers Readers' Questions

Q & A [2] - Svali Answers More Questions

Q & A [3] - Svali Answers Even More Questions [grouped from elsewhere]

Part 14 - Illuminati History and Future -

Part 15 -TV - The Perfect Mind Control Device -

Part 16 - Lone Gunmen -

Part 17 - In The Matrix -

Part 18 - Near Death Experiences -



Table of Contents

Preface: Are The Illuminati Taking Over The World?
published: November 25, 2000

Chapter 1: An Overview of the Illuminati
October 24, 2000

Chapter 2: Jobs in the Illuminati (or Why They Spend All That Time Training People)
October 26, 2000

Chapter 3: Conspiracy Theory Two, Or The Illuminati Plan To Rule The World (also Known As "Novus Ordem Seclorum"), October 31, 2000

Chapter 4: An Overview of Some Basic Types of Programming
November 02, 2000

Chapter 5: Colors, Metals and Jewel Programming
November 07, 2000

Chapter 6: Brain Wave Programming
November 09, 2000

Chapter 7: Military Programming
November 14, 2000

Chapter 8: CIA , Governmental, and Scholarship Programming
November 16, 2000

Chapter 9: Programming Linked to Stories, Movies, Cartoons, or Role Play Dramatization, November 21, 2000

Chapter 10: The Sixth Step of Discipline: Betrayal; Twinning, Internal Walls, Structures, Geometry, November 23, 2000

Chapter 11: Suicidal Programming
November 28, 2000

Chapter 12: Preventing Reaccessing of the Survivor
November 30, 2000

Chapter 13: Shell programming, Internal Councils, Human Experimentation, Function Codes, December 05, 2000

Chapter 14: Spiritual Programming
December 12, 2000

Chapter 15: Core splits, Denial programming, the last Five Steps of Discipline Virtual Reality Programming, December 14, 2000


8/18/2006 04:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read that chaps link from iuniverse online books, conecting Thomas Hamilton to that notorious belgium peodophile. Used to half think some of your site was slight paronoia but now i see all the evidence it is very scary. But what to do? I feel like going out and been violent to some of these people but that would only feed into their violent agenda. Keep up the info and look into ways of spreading it to a wider section of the public. Then hopefully everyone will refuse to co operate with the powers that be.

8/18/2006 07:10:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

People will only stop cooperating with the PTB when they recognize their relationship to the PTB.

That is the gist of my 'semi-literate ramblings'.

None of us are innocent.

8/18/2006 07:22:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Cut the hope and despair crap, and we may yet learn to take responsibility.

8/18/2006 07:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Pim Fortuyn Broke the Stereotype", yes, as said above, though the discussion of him attempts to create another!

He was not anti-immigrant, and could be more said to be anti-non-integrationist. His ideas of immigration closure were temporary devices. He wasn't a xenophoble like the French right wing that was in the Presidential Run off against Chirac due to the bizarre French election dynamics that occurred that returned (the widely hated!) Chriac to avoid the other.

Particularly his ideas about the immigrants into the army for a term, Dutch socialization, language schools, to break down divisions that have grown up.

It wasn't just the singular individual Pim, they were scared that his ideas were winning urban elections by supramajorities.

He had a very detailed sociological (his profession by trade) analysis-- of how to create integration instead of the divide and rule type of mutual animosity dynamics that the 'evil powers that be' seem to prefer to use to rule over everyone at once.

If Pim is the ideas instead of the individuals, we can still learn from him.

I would bet that it was an assassination to remove his leadership, and as a sign to others that productive politics would not be tolerated, and that regressive divisions among all, played against each other, would be the state device of rule.

Poor Pim. Though we still can learn from him.

The French said 'non!" on the EU for similar rationales. No other European country was even allowed to vote on it in a public issue.

Europe's democracies are paper thin rubberstamping entities, particularly Germany, despite its proportional rep, and definitely the neofascist English--"mother of parliaments" my arse.

8/18/2006 08:00:00 AM  
Blogger jules said...

Sometimes the internet moves too fast to keep up with... and with all this shit...

Anyway this is kind of appropriate here tho it stemmed from some online digging I have been doing for a couple of days re Adelaide, and links to right wing weirdness and stuff.

All this is in context of the Hilton Hotel bombing the only terrorist event to ever occur in Australia and one that in all probablity was organised and carried out by Asio.

I'm not up to linking to this comments section yet so if you want to know more just scroogle or something.

->"Ananda Marga" "Hilton Hotel bombing" Chogm conspiracy <- would probably do the trick...

I dunno what this guys agenda is but this article and the whole site is interesting:

>>The account given to me by Angela says that she "baited" Cameron about the affair, saying that the philosophy of the Ananda Marga was really a peaceful one and that it was impossible to imagine their involvement in a murder conspiracy. Cameron insisted they were terrorists. As the case wore on after June 1978 to their first trial in January 1979, Angela said to Cameron: "You are not important enough for this to have been done. You are not a leader of any big movement for them to have this done to you." Cameron insisted they were guilty. At this time, whenever he visited, he came armed with a pistol which, as the story went, the Special Branch was only too happy for him to carry. Lili said that Cameron always had money in those times and said that he had been paid "eight thousand dollars" for his services in undefined matters relating to the case. Lili said that once, under goading and prompting by her and Angela he said that the Ananda Marga might not be guilty "but they had to be found guilty." He spoke highly of Special Branch as good blokes and fine policemen and he was happy to be "in" with them.

This detail could be the final secret of the Ananda Marga case. After all, if the Margis were innocent, then why frame them for an attack upon a person who was ostensibly a rightist militant? Clearly, the conspiracy to frame the Margis to defuse attention from security services’ complicity in the Hilton Bomb, dovetailed with the need to nobble the emergent anti-immigration forces. The two conspiracies merged as one. And a pliable "agent" would make the best victim. This argument has been around for twenty years.

The Divine People group was thus in possession of dynamite detail only revealed in 2002. It was information only ever collected because of "bonds" that were forged in Sydney’s peculiar "right-wing underground" in these lost years.<<

8/18/2006 08:17:00 AM  
Blogger jules said...

Lat anon ... I think you are right about PF. From what I understand from talking to a couple of dutch citizens since, including the cafe owner I mentioned before, it seemed that if anything PF represented what most Dutch people wanted, an intelligent approach to the situation, based on what would be best for what they wanted for their society. And was more free of ideology and focussed on some practical things to protect what they thought was best about their culture.

>>I would bet that it was an assassination to remove his leadership, and as a sign to others that productive politics would not be tolerated, and that regressive divisions among all, played against each other, would be the state device of rule.<<

Thats the impression I got.

>>In as much as he "shared" the S Huntington "clash of civilisations vision" (see earlier/above post) he was in fact in league with TPB attempting to get this very thing off the ground in front of our very eyes (with Islamic terrorism as a key plank)..

The motto of this new war is: “Unless we hate what we are not, we cannot love what we are …’ We know who we are only when we know who are we not… when we know whom we are against” - Prof’ Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations- Remaking of World Order (1993)<<

Seems the complete opposite of the Dutch view I have seen.

Unless the clash of civillisations he was referring to was not a Muslim v Christian, but repression v tolerance, in all countries and civillisations.

I mean - he was gay.

So how could he hate everything he is not and still appeal to so many straight people? (oh yeah they are all latent in the closet, sure...)

Anon 8.00, you are right there does seem to be an attempot to classify PF in some group...

Perhaps missing the point that he was possibly immune to the systems of protection that previous dubious characters had built into (all) political systems.

Maybe being openly and proudly gay, and possibly not into kids he was in a position where he had nothing to really lose via blackmail.

Perhaps that openness contributed to his success.

I keep thinking of the Bob Dylan song only a pawn in their game.

8/18/2006 08:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy shit. My family moved to Belgium in the summer of 1985 to a suburb of Brussels called Overijse. We lived a few blocks from another Delhaize that was shot up for no reason.

I was only a junior in high school at the time and couldn't read French or Flemish so we never new exactly what happened or why.

But I remember Delhaize being surrounded by police tape and shut down for a few days until they replaced the front windows.

Very strange indeed.

8/18/2006 09:12:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

This link posted above

very much appreciated. The Svali read is important and needed to be revisited here.

To all my compatriots in the foodie line of thinking, may I recommend looking into the subject of a soil amendment called zeolite. This natural amendment will detoxify the effects from chemtrails and even atomic fallout. Moses used it to save the Israelites from the volcanic fallout that victimized the Egyptians. You will have to trust me on that.

8/18/2006 10:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mary C and others-
I'm not sure I would raise the Karr confession to the level of psyop, but I do suggest, as one poster belives, that Karr is an MK ULTRA victim. He seems to be under the influence of some kind of mind control. And his confession is conveient for a number of reasons. He has only been in Bangkok for the last two months. Patsy Ramsey has been dead for...two months. I actually suspect that Karr was somehow selected specifically so that he would make the very confession he made. Just what I've seen in the last 24 hours makes me believe that someone who wants to clear the family's reputation chose to have a known pedophile come forward and finally confess to the crime. I believe Karr was a handy choice. The deeper you dig, the creepier it gets. The only really unusual thing here is that today, it seems the media is rethinking it's bandwagon conviction of this guy. This morning at least one of the network shows had an analyst on who deconstructed Karr's tv confession. He pointed out Karr's odd behaviors and gestures. So, while they back off of their electronic conviction of this guy, I feel sure they'll miss what I think is the main point here: that his young, sad man was chosen for this role, and that he was prompted, coached, or even conditioned to give the responses he did. And that the party responsible for all this is probably the same party that has been the prime suspect(s) from the very beginning. You never know where a good case of MC will turn up, do you?


8/18/2006 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

So, where do these feral Gladio warriors go from here? It seems to me that the terror incidents are not spontaneous but planned, which would bring into question the notion of forgotten codes, etc. Also, what need is there to discredit the Left anymore? There is no Left left. On the other hand, the idea of terrorizing civilians so that they turn to the stronger man for "protection" is at the heart of the entire phony, self-perpetuating War On Terror. The whole War On concept needs to be exposed first; then the network of secret groups preparing for martial law can be picked like the lice they are.

The following is the position paper of a group called Against the War On Terror. This refutation of the swindle they're pulling needs to be spread and supported by grassroots organizations as well as politicians who would claim to be reformers if there's to be any political solution at all:

The Antiwar Position Revisited

The raison d’etre of the war on terror is that it makes us safer. Security, however, is never an end in itself, it is only worthwhile as a means to other ends. We can only measure different security arguments against these ends. For instance, we know that in domestic politics, security is supposed to be a means to liberty, or living a free life. Since demands for security can have authoritarian consequences, we do not accept all of them, and we are, or at least should be, critical of them. We expect there to be some criteria by which we distinguish between real and unreal threats, and between policies that sacrifice too much liberty to security.

The problem with the war on terror, is that it makes security an end in itself. It doesn’t even admit of external principles against which we can distinguish rational and irrational demands. Any act that makes us feel safer is presumed to be justified. Logically speaking, an enemy does not even have to exist. All that has to exist is a perception of threat for a security demand to be seen as valid. This eliminates any rational grounds for criticism because the only standard left is not the materiality of the threat, or the value of security in relation to other principles, but simply our, or really our politicians’, feelings. So in the domestic sphere, we are asked to trade whatever liberty is necessary to make us safe, rather than recognize that some demands for security are unjustified or unnecessary because they have no rational purpose – they do not actually make us safer.

Within our own society, we at least recognize an alternative principle – liberty – against which to measure and criticize different demands for security. But when it comes to international relations it is unclear what the analogous principles are. It is that the antiwar position has failed to come up with an adequately powerful set of arguments. As we have written here before, it is insufficient and potentially problematic to be merely against the war in Iraq, but not against the war on terror. One reason is that the focus on the war on Iraq has lead to an overemphasis on problems that appear specific to that war, and therefore failed to develop properly principled positions. Much of the opposition has focused on the dishonesty, venality, and criminality of the war. Even as criticisms of the Iraq War, these arguments are insufficient:

Lies: It is true that Bush lied, but had he not lied the war still would have been wrong. Even if Saddam had possessed large stocks of biological and chemical weapons, and even if hehad been seeking nuclear weapons, he would not have posed anything like an immediate threat to the United States. This was the leader of an incredibly weak country, ravaged by ten years of sanctions, and unable even to mobilize his soldiers for symbolic military exercises, let alone some kind of attack on the United States.

Corruption: It is also true that there is all kinds of venal, war-profiteering amongst Bush's corporate friends. But this, too, would not be an argument against the war if the war had been necessary.

Illegality: Likewise, it is true that the war was illegal. But calling into question the legality of the war, on its own, does not challenge the important political questions: was Saddam a threat, was this war necessary, and when is it appropriate to violate the sovereignty of another nation?

The fundamental problem with this war was that it was the unjustified violation of Iraqi sovereignty.

Nor is this a matter of Iraq alone. The deeper problem with just critiquing the Iraq War is that the overarching war on terror is left unaddressed. The war on terror is presupposed as a background to the debate, rather than brought to the fore as the central issue for us to discuss. Yet it is relevant even for the Iraq War. Why were people so willing to believe that Saddam was a threat given that he clearly was not? It is not so much that the public was manipulated, but that the Iraq debate was and is deeply interwoven with the war on terror itself. This means that all debate takes place in a climate of fear, in which to challenge any particular claim - like Saddam is a threat - is also to challenge the underlying premise that even the most remote and undefined threats must be assailed 'pre-emptively'.

Here is where a critique of the war on terror is simply unavoidable, and where the need for a set of political principles for assessing global affairs is necessary. Having mainly substituted cynicism for criticism, the antiwar position has left us sorely lacking. When considering just the international dimensions of the war on terror, the alternative principles, against which we can measure security demands, are self-determination and sovereignty. The defense of self-determination abroad derives from the same commitment to freedom and democracy at home. Every nation is capable of becoming a democratic society, but only if it is allowed to determine for itself the shape of its own institutions. Only in this way do their institutions become expressions of their own, collective will. Democratic liberties are only won when they are seized by the people themselves. But for this process of self-determination to take place, then the sovereignty, or territorial integrity and political independence, of these nations must be respected. Sovereignty is instrumental to self-determination. Non-intervention must be the norm. (Of course, the erosion of sovereignty did not begin with Bush).

If sovereignty is the norm, then that means powerful nations, like the United States, cannot invade or otherwise intervene in the affairs of others states whenever it feels worried, or has a hunch about some potential security threat. The threat must be imminent, real and over-powering. Security as a reason for war is only potentially justified when it is in self-defense because survival is a precondition for self-determination: a society cannot determine its fate if it is about to be invaded and destroyed, as the Iraqis and Afghanis now well know. That there is some possibility, some 'unknown unknowns' in the words of Donald Rumsfeld, is not a good reason for war. Iraqi sovereignty should not have been violated. Wars whose justification is simply that some other state *might* someday be threatening, or *might* have some weapons, is simply an invitation for powerful states to act on whatever hunch it might have, with no rational limitations on its actions. It is a prescription for permanent war. If we accept sovereignty as a norm, and self-determination as the principle we are aiming at, then we at least possess a rational standard for assessing, and criticizing, various justifications for war. Having a 'bad feeling about things' is not enough.

Finally, as we have mentioned before, a defense of self-determination and sovereignty is not merely important for what happens internationally and in other countries. By rejecting the idea that the state can go to war to address even the most unfounded and speculative of fears, we also impose restraints on our own government. That is to say, we defend our own process of self-determination, by rejecting our government's attempt to impose a permanent state of war and suspend domestic politics. In this way, by defending sovereignty we allow other nations to retain some of their own political autonomy, and we recover some of our own democratic agency. We must develop the principles that allow us to break free from the politics of fear, suspicion, and irrational conjecture...

8/18/2006 11:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I was raised LDS/Mormon, and I can confirm, from personal experience, that all that masterbation BS does inded fuck with the head of a teenager, and that the after-effects drag well into adulthood. I detached myself from the church almost 15 years ago (what they call an 'inactive' member, gotta love that), and it's still there as a residual emotional undercurrent.

8/18/2006 12:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think John Karr is under some sort of influence (I though dead eyes the second I saw him on the tube) and he was brought out at this point to get everybody's mind off of the mess that is Isreal / Lebanon.

just my .02

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