Monday, October 30, 2006

Unconscious Kingdom (Part One)

The writing on the wall, come read it, come see what it say - Bob Dylan

This narration opens Lars von Trier's Riget ("The Kingdom"):

The Kingdom Hospital rests on ancient marshland where the bleaching ponds once lay. Here the bleachers moistened their great spans of cloth. The steam evaporating from the wet cloth shrouded the place in permanent fog. Centuries later the hospital was built here. The bleachers gave way to doctors and researchers, the best brains in the nation and the most perfect technology. To crown their work they called the hospital The Kingdom. Now life was to be charted, and ignorance and superstition never to shake the bastions of science again.

Perhaps that arrogance became too pronounced, and their persistent denial of the spiritual. For it is as if the cold and damp have returned. Tiny signs of fatigue are appearing in the solid, modern ediface. No living person knows it yet, but the gateway to the Kingdom is opening once again.

When the gateway opens, what comes through are phantom ambulances, the undead, child ghosts - etheric manifestions that affront the materialist reductionism of the Kingdom's staff, who believe their beliefs represent the highest expression of humanity's ascent from superstition. But their rationalism is finally ineffectual to support their pinched worldview against the chthonic onslaught - much like the real-life experience of the Livermore Laboratories scientists who found they "couldn't go home again" - and turned to despised ritual, trance and voodoo-like sacrifice in order to meet and bargain with the otherworldly elements that had erupted in their world.

But the message of The Kingdom's preamble is that the otherworld is what our world was before it was our world. That is, that we are inheritors of strange and ancient lands. Our ancestors, the first inheritors, knew; but for the better part we have forgotten. Though not all, and some perhaps not the best of us.

Our fully-human forefathers who lived before history left ubiquitous traces of their inner lives on cave walls and rock faces. Remarkably, across enormous distance and time the imagery remained conspicuously familiar, and religious. From all inhabited continents, and from the Upper Paleolithic to traditional cultures which until our own time contributed in isolation to the collective body of sacred art, we find the same recurring abstract geometric patterns, and similar depictions of shapeshifters in various stages of transformation. (It's interesting to note how now, after the "end" of history, the shapeshifter figure occupies again the shadows of our consciousness at the borderland of worlds. A recent example is the pseudo-documentary "Brandon Corey Story," a slick piece of disinfotainment that exploits our authentic apprehensions by fabricating evidence upon legitimate suspicions.)

Graham Hancock devotes much of his recent Supernatural to cave art, with particular attention paid to the finding of palaeoanthropologist David Lewis-Williams that its imagery appeared to be the language of universal trance states:

At some stages of the visionary experience subjects in laboratory tests report seeing displays of specific kinds of abstract geometrical patterns. What is interesting is the evidence that such patterns are universal and culture-free. Once we have entered a state of consciousness that has been altered deeply enough - itself a universal neurological capacity for the human race - it seems that everyone, everywhere experiences visions containing very much the same combinations of patterns and shapes.

Whether achieved by the ingestion of psychoactive drugs, spirit dancing or some other ritual, the trance-state of a shaman is essentially the same phenomenon regardless of time and place, as it is an unequivocally human event. Displays of geometric patterns are often followed by scenes of hybrid animals and impressions of great and alien intelligence, leading to the message the shaman sought to carry back to his people from the spirit world. If Lewis-Williams is right, then much cave art is an iconography of these altered states, and perhaps traditional cultures' own attempt at their interpretation.

I think this is important as well as interesting, because despite our modern and post-modern embarrassment, the spirit realm - and whatever we may mean by that - has spoken to humanity since before we had words to respond. That so many now live as though spirit didn't exist doesn't mean that spirit isn't still talking to us. If we don't again raise spirit to consciousness, then we have no discernment regarding this bug in our ear, loudly buzzing. (Also, I believe this to be important because caves may not only be our heritage but also our inheritance; if not literally, then quite possibly near enough.)

The German soldiers in Afghanistan who desecrated human remains by securing a skull on their vehicle's towing winch, and the one who held it next to his penis for a trophy photograph - is this learned behaviour? The ritualized pederasty found around the world, from ancient times to the present - how have disparate cultures come to the same religious sex practice? These are deeply buried things that are rarely brought to consciousness. Which is why I believe characters like Gilles de Rais and Elizabeth Bathory merit some attention, and why art has attributes which may inform us more about our predicament than plodding Reason.

By the way, here's a story that may deserve attention, while we keep this under consideration:

DNA switch developed to interface living organisms with computers

Researchers at the University of Portsmouth have developed an electronic switch based on DNA - a world-first bio-nanotechnology breakthrough that provides the foundation for the interface between living organisms and the computer world.

The new technology is called a 'nanoactuator' (shown in the image above) or a molecular dynamo. The device is invisible to the naked eye - about one thousandth of a strand of human hair.

The DNA switch has been developed by British Molecular Biotechnology expert Dr Keith Firman at the University of Portsmouth working in collaboration with other European researchers.

Dr Firman and his international team have been awarded a €2 million (£1.36m) European Commission grant under its New and Emerging Science and Technology (NEST) initiative to further develop this ground-breaking new technology.

But the DNA switch has immediate practical applications in toxin detection, and could be used in a biodefence role as a biological sensor to detect airborne pathogens.

The future applications are also considerable, including molecular scale mechanical devices for interfacing to computer-controlled artificial limbs.

'The possibilities are very exciting. The nanoactuator we have developed can be used as a communicator between the biological and silicon worlds,' Dr Firman said.

Our next cave walls may be silicon, and they may be inside us.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Before the beginning, after the great war between heaven and hell, God created the Earth, and gave dominion over it to the craft ape he called man. To each generation was born a creature of light, and a creature of darkness. Great armies would clash by night in the ancient war between good and evil. There was magic then, nobility, and unimaginable cruelty. And so it was, until the day a false sun exploded over Trinity, and man forever traded away wonder for reason.


10/30/2006 04:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great post, Jeff - and good to see the fascinating work of Lewis-Williams (and Jean Clothes) getting a mention.

A couple of links to things that seem to tie in with this:

1. An angry review by the Marxist English professor Terry Eagleton of Richard Dawkins' new book 'The God Delusion':

"The central doctrine of Christianity, then, is not that God is a bastard. It is, in the words of the late Dominican theologian Herbert McCabe, that if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you. Here, then, is your pie in the sky and opium of the people. It was, of course, Marx who coined that last phrase; but Marx, who in the same passage describes religion as the ‘heart of a heartless world, the soul of soulless conditions’, was rather more judicious and dialectical in his judgment on it than the lunging, flailing, mispunching Dawkins."

2. Alan Garner's great and strange short novel 'Thursbitch', based on the probably-true premise that paganism and shamanism survived right into the 18th century in a remote valley in northern England:

"On one level, Thursbitch is a love story; though if it is, it is a love story, not just of two people losing and finding one another in a fold of time... but as [an] exchange between John Turner and his wife-to-be reveals, it is the story of belonging itself, an elegy for a world where human life is guided by the same forces as govern the stars in the sky and the land under our feet.

In the end it comes to a quiet struggle between one way of being and another, a struggle between being and having, between knowing and trusting. In this, the novel echoes Blake's journey from Innocence to Experience and beyond."

(John Burnside, in The Scotsman)

3. 'The Family of Man' by Bill Blakemore (on the buried Indians' in Stanley Kubrick's 'The Shining':

10/30/2006 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr.Wells, you rock. That is all.

10/30/2006 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Displays of geometric patterns are often followed by scenes of hybrid animals and impressions of great and alien intelligence,

The alien intelligence has already sent the red rain over kerala to replace us.

10/30/2006 05:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's all about the interfaces.

For us, the cave wall is a barrier, rock-solid, hard, impermeable.

But for the cave artists, it was the thinnest of membranes, rippling and bulging with the pressure of great beings just barely restrained by it, pressing towards existence. The art itself was no more than an means of enhancing what was already there, drawing it out, enabling it to manifest itself to the artists.

Where now are our interfaces with that other world to be found? And what lies behind them?

10/30/2006 05:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"... and man forever traded away wonder for reason."

er, shrubby, is this a futuristic writing ?

10/30/2006 05:40:00 PM  
Blogger Robert Persson said...

Jeff said

When the gateway opens, what comes through are phantom ambulances, the undead, child ghosts - etheric manifestions that affront the materialist reductionism of the Kingdom's staff, who believe their beliefs represent the highest expression of humanity's ascent from superstition.

If I understand you right, Jeff, you seem to be implying that Lars von Trier is suggesting to us that weird supernatural things really do exist. If so, I think this is a misreading of Riget. The ideology of high modernist medicine is that death is an aberration that can be cured, thus absolving us of the need to find our peace with it. The supernatural in Riget is, before anything else, simply a metaphor for death. That's why the dotty old lady (I forget here name), after receiving the message from her friend who has just passed to the other side (the lightheartedly spooky plot device) does what real friends do when their friends have gone. She grieves.

The high modernist medical illusion is a powerful one. When military men talk of "surgical strikes" they do so because they believe that by killing others they attain mastery over their own death, just like Elizabeth Bathory tried to do, by a different kind of magic, all those centuries ago. I have no doubt at all that ritual abuse as it exists today serves the same purpose. It is an attempt to cheat death. Nor do I have any doubt that this attempt is, in every single case, utterly futile. No scalpel, no matter how sharp, can get you off the hook when it comes to the big one. Nor can any weirdy goblins or ghoulies or whatever it is the pathetic people who do that kind of thing are hoping to summon.

10/30/2006 05:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@starroute: isn't the interface the changed mental state (induced by dancing or drugs, etc)? While the paintings are just one way to show what's behind?
Maybe I'm just trying to say that going into this 'supernatural world' is as possible today as it was back then. Discovering what's there does not have to be a question if you can find a (your) way to travel to that world.

Thanks all for this post & comments, Splinter

10/30/2006 06:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

er, shrubby, is this a futuristic writing ?

No, it's the Opening Line uttered by the character, Samson, in the HBO Original Series, Carnivale.

It made quite an impression on me when I first heard it.....and I thought it fit quite nicely with Jeff's Theme.

It's a great series, if you haven't seen it. It's not for everybody.....meaning mainstream America...but, I think a lot of folks who frequent RI would dig it...if they don't already.

10/30/2006 07:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff writes:

"When the gateway opens, what comes through are phantom ambulances, the undead, child ghosts - etheric manifestions that affront the materialist reductionism of the Kingdom's staff, who believe their beliefs represent the highest expression of humanity's ascent from superstition..."

Actually, if ghosts and other 'spiritual' phenomena are equally material--just a level of materialism that current dogmas of materialist science reject (and refuse to even look at except for a few organizations cataloging "material data" case studies of ghosts, etc.)--then we are dealing with merely the false ideology of the 'already completeness' of science...

Besides, I always distrust this hard and fine supposed division between presumed 'spiritual' and 'material' as a Eurocentric construct and not really based on anything sound. It could even be called "a religious movement of materialist complete science" or a 'social movement' coming out of the 1600s-1700s scientists of the (there's that word once more) Enlightenment, and equally ideological for its basic assumptions.

Bismillah writes:

"Alan Garner's great and strange short novel 'Thursbitch', based on the probably-true premise that paganism and shamanism survived right into the 18th century in a remote valley in northern England..."

Check out books A History of Pagan Europe and The Druids for a non-Catholic view of European history.

Druidic 'schools' covertly still operating in the 1700s in Ireland.

Many pagan issues only submerged by the 1800s in England, and particularly in the Baltic/Scandanavia.

And that was, par excellence, the era of secret societies so some things might have been 'tucked' away in these multi-shelled organizations. As well as some bloodlines keeping it up anyway as simply part of their 'family heritage.'

10/30/2006 07:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, increasingly, Art is being relegated to the electronic screens we stare at day in and day out.

However, Shamanism has been co-opted. The contemporary Shamans are the Marketers/Advertisers. They mezmerise us and entrance us with a daily dose of visual imagery that coaxes us to do "their" bidding......and "their" bidding we do.

How did the Unwashed Masses (One would think they were all unwashed in those days) respond to the cave drawings of yesteryear? Did they have the same effect? Perhaps they did.

If so, the second part of Starroute's question is the real question. "What lays behind them" indeed.

10/30/2006 07:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Excellent and thought-provoking insight on your part. I think you and Jeff may be on the same page, though, hence Jeff's link to the Nanoactuator at the end of his post. The synthesis of man and machine is a steady march to perceived immortality......and as you say, the cheating of death. What's interesting to me is that what if death is just a transition from one state to the next on a journey so vast and complex that this stage is seemingly minor in comparison? Wouldn't that be awful.....that we would close that portal and cement ourselves in this state for what would seem an eternity?

10/30/2006 07:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our next cave walls may be silicon, and they may be inside us.

I just now caught this line, Jeff.

I like the metaphor. The Cave Walls, and their future manifestations, Biological/Silicon Chips, are one and the same.....the Monolith in Arthur C. Clark's 2001: A Space Odyssey.

We are being guided/controlled somehow, but by whom and for what?

10/30/2006 07:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

synchronicity ¤

thank you . it's my dope . thank you once again


10/30/2006 08:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from your link, Jeff.

"Perhaps the cipher the NSA most wants cracked is the human genome"

now that reminds me of (murdered:December 10,2001)
Dr.Schwartz, an 'authority in DNA sequencing' and transference of same to data code.

10/31/2006 01:49:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

This post was worth the wait, Jeff. Really. I have a slightly different take on it from some of my cohorts here, however. The cheating death meme sound perilously close to Carlos Castaneda's Death Defier, the shamanic shapeshifter who swindles Death by swindling the living (clearly a familiar bad vibe.) I'm thinking it's maybe a little closer to the long overdue rehabilitation of Benjamin Whorf, who has been mischaracterized and unethically savaged by the leading linguistic lights of our era, Noam Chomsky and Steven Pinker, for the sin of exposing the second-rate nature of Western thought as a vehicle for understanding the relationship between space and time due to the constrictive and arbitrary nature of Western languages.

The big boys ganged up on Whorf and accused him of creating the Great Eskimo Vocabulary Hoax (which he didn't) and then tried to denigrate his knowledge and scholarship of the Hopi language & customs, at which they very nearly succeeded. The reason all this is important is because Whorf provides a possible key to unlocking the universality of ancient symbolism by getting around our constipated, language-locked worldview. There's also a political dimension to all this, which reveals Chomsky and Pinker as gate-keepers of a sort. Jeff has notably called Chomsky on his Peak Oil-connected latent fascism in Peak Fascism, but this adds a whole new twist. The following excerpt from The GreatWhorf Hypothesis Hoax (Sin, Suffering and Redemption in Academe) , by Dan Moonhawk Alford, illustrates something of the cultural and political stakes here:

Underlying this perhaps unintendedly deceptive scholarship and public reporting is a deep fear that the logic of Western European languages doesn't really match the logic of reality after all, or that it's only one of many that are equally true -- a bitter pill to swallow for those raised on the 'natural' superiority of Western European thinking over that of less 'civilized' indigenous peoples. I hesitate to call this 'racist,' since I really can't get behind a term less than a hundred years old with this meaning which has done nothing but needlessly further divide humanity (religion and place of origin have always been enough to pit people against each other sufficiently), but it can at the very least be called colonializing -- part of the 'superior' colonialistic mindset which has been wreaking havoc on the Americas for over 500 years: beginning with a sad history of physical slavery for this continent's original inhabitants, moving on to 'civilized' economic slavery in a reservation system, culminating in cognitive imperialism, the last stage of cultural imperialism, with Indian children being kidnapped by the federal government and sent to 'English-only' boarding schools thousands of miles away from their families in order to destroy Native culture, knowledge and languages.

Many or most Native Americans of 'baby-boomer' age and older -- people you may know! -- were actual victims of this barbaric bureaucratic carrying out of the will of the descendants of the Invaders which tried to wipe out the 'differences' between Native Americans and Europeans. Native Americans are also presently experiencing spiritual terrorism as disrespectful 'wannabe's, like Mickey in 'The Sorcerer's Apprentice," appropriate millennia-old spiritual rituals and then teach them to others for profit.

Alford then goes on to suggest some ways in which we might approach these "lost" symbolic representations that Jeff talks about. This discussion also reminds me of the strange case of George Johnson, one-time debunker of conspiracy theories whose 1995 book, Fire in the Mind, chronicles his departure from the narrow, rational line into the land where science, religion, and mysticism hold hands in the scary New Mexico desert, not far from Los Alamos and yet closer to forgotten knowledge of an even more powerful nature.

Discovery is more remembering than finding, someone somewhere once said, even though it's not very scientific.

10/31/2006 03:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The synthesis of man and machine is a steady march to perceived immortality......and as you say, the cheating of death."

March to immortality, or march to biologically reified caste society or even hive society?

First, it's hardly silicon implants that are going to get immortality--silicon implants particularly those that link up to a "server" or something, is the recipe for a hive society. And nanotechnology (generally the phenomena instead of silicon nanotech) has already known to generate brain inflammation and cancer.

And stem cells seem a better strategy than pricy cyborg technology--that stems out of Delgado's POLITICAL desires for a "psychocivilized" brain management at a distance.

Knowing more about biology and common nutrition is where it's at.

Silicon hyped 'solutions' or link ups for human improvement are just a fascist totalitarian society, a "biological-silcon linked panopticon".

Article quotes on mere knowledge from biology enough--from things I saved that caught my eye: particularly "old fashioned" regular stem cell issues (because biology is the ultimate "heirloom technology") for stroke victims instead of pricy MKULTRA-esque and Delgado-like internal silicon implants. People are already escaping to Third World countries for modern medical treatment in stem cells that the long arm of the U.S. medical-miltiary control complex doesn't want them to have. I don't for a minute think that all this "religious opposition of the Bush admin." is the actual thing going on--the drug sales people see their industry in peril with unpatentable cures that work.

Have we learned nothing from Delgado's desires publicly pronounced only in the 1969-70s? (PHYSICAL CONTROL OF THE MIND:
Toward a Psychocivilized Society):

some reviewers:

"That any human being could perform the vicious experiments described in this book upon any kind of living, breathing life entity is horrifying to consider. Controlling living beings via electronic gagetry goes against all definitions of human ethics and morality. Some might retort that this type of capability (controlling brains via artificial means) might have some meager benefit for humankind. I disagree. If we must harm another living being in order to "serve" humanity, then we are devolving into unfeeling "things" without thinking, caring minds. The mark of a human being is his consideration and respect for all life, not just human. Mankind cannot be "bettered" in any way if an animal has to be tortured and suffer pain and torment for our sakes. Pity the poor creatures at the hands of the mad scientists. Buy this book at your own risk, the photographs of the tortured animal are painful to see."

"The book focuses on the use of electronic implants to control one's thoughts and reactions. Some of the information is useful. Things like trying to help those who have epileptic fits control what causes an attack by sending an electrical message to the brain to stop the occurence. Unfortunately, Mr Delgado has very menacing intentions in other areas. He is one who believes in the administration of implants to individuals for behaviour modification. The intention to psychologically abuse anyone who deviates from societies norm. An interesting great question, who decides who is wierd and how do you define normal? These implants allow the monitoring of every thought and action whereby the tresspasser can see through your own eyes."

"This is a book written by one of the worst violator's of human rights. He should be justly punished, perhaps with his own methods. If one could look at it as Horror/fiction ala Stephen King, it could send a chill up your spine."

HAARP can be just an update to Delgado:

Co-author Jean Manning, in conversation with a ham operator, learned that as early as 1975-76 the Soviet Union was beaming radio-frequency signals toward North America. Ham operators were picking up the 10-hertz (pulses per second) frequencies which they called Woodpecker signals because of the tapping they heard from extremely low frequency (ELF) waves. It was speculated that his ELF frequency could resonate the neurons in the human brain over great distance, resulting in mood changes in a large part of the population.

These ELF waves could cause communication interference, power failures, and weather modification designed to have a devastating effect on food production.

HAARP records disclose that when the project is up to full power, it will be able to send very low frequency and extra low frequency (VLF and ELF) waves at energy levels sufficient to affect entire regional populations. What other objective can there be but to control people?

What is even more ominous is the authors' picture of what they refer to as the "psychocivilized society." After reviewing HAARP documents and Air Force materials, the possibility is there for the HAARP transmitting system to be used "inadvertently or intentionally to after mental functions." Early research on the brain was conducted on animals, using electrodes inserted into the brain to produce different kinds of behavior. Dr. Jose M.R. Delgado developed his research so that brain-manipulating effects could be achieved at a distance, and by changing wave form, could completely change the thinking and emotional state of the subject. Even these achievements can and are being used to help people with various mental dysfunctions, but the potential for abuse appears too easy to resist for the "mad scientists" working on HAARP.

Think the HAARP connection to Delgado is not there? Delgado himself moved his goals toward this area:

"The Psvchology Behind Mind Control and Psychic Warfare

Body identification gives rise to a host of sociological phenomena, the least of which is the mechanistic view that consciousness is a product of the brain, and secondarily that the mind is centered in the brain. Dr. Jose Delgado was one of the chief proponents of this viewpoint. Delgado was the author of the book "Physical Control of the Mind: Toward a Psychocivilized Society". For Delgado, the mind existed only in the brain; to postulate its existence as an independent entity was to him sheer nonsense. He rejected the concept of free will, and proposed that the mind was a functional entity produced by the electrical operations of the brain, and as such should be manipulated and controlled in order to control the behavior of the population. This was a view that seems to be shared by proponents of the New World Order.

Delgado, since the mid-1970's, was the director of the Spanish neurophysiological laboratory Centro Ramony Cajal.

[Where was Delgado before? Professor of Physiology at evil NWO central, Yale University.]

As time went on, his interests shifted from direct stimulation of the brain to the broader area of the [wider bodily] biological effects of electromagnetic fields, an area that has been eagerly embraced by the military and political system as a means to achieve their goal of absolute control of the population. "

Others have noted that Delgado was likely thus CIA when doing this "private" research, that can only be useful to those in power:

"Dr. Delgado made the following chilling comment in regard to the mind control research he was conducting for the Central Intelligence Agency. If you don't believe that the CIA is a danger to every man, woman and child in America, then carefully read Delgado's comment, since it is representative of what the CIA is looking to achieve in the United States. And remember,he made this comment almost 40 years ago. Imagine how far electronic mind control technology has come since then.

"We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated."

"The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective. Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain."

One up on HAARP!--how about a disguised applied form of technology that people voluntarily carry around and actually pay for the service to have elites manipulate their minds with carrier wave changes itself? Cell phone frequencies are intentionally in the mind control band of the Delgado World, presently:

"The Russians were years ahead in this technology and used it openly on their people. Most likely this technology was originally prototyped under Hitler using vacuum tube based technology. One such technology was known as the "Woodpecker Transmitter." It was so named because of the sound it created broadly across the shortwave band, designed to alter the thoughts of human beings. The Russians did not have their hands (partially) tied by a Constitution like we have. Shortwave mind control is now out of date. The low gigahertz frequencies used by digital cell phones *just happen* to have almost the same frequencies as those patented by scientists which are used for mind control. In fact, the frequencies are close enough to be used for this purpose. This works because even though every individual has a unique resonant frequency, the new technology does not depend on this characteristic. Complex modulated mind-control signals can easily originate from cell phones and the user (who is paying for the service) might never know it is happening. Cancer effects and tumors have been proven to exist, according to researchers conducting controlled experiments. Soon the ultimate in mind control will be in full force whenever you use a cell phone."
[Tearing Down America
To Rebuild It For The NWO, By Ted Twietmeyer,

"Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain." Sound familar to this totalitarian-biological engineering dream?

"Russia's Josef Stalin endeavored to create an invincible army of ape men...secret labs in Georgia prove that this was an ongoing project in the 1920s, but apparently failed as the director, Dr.Ilia Ivanov, was arrested and sent to a labor camp in 1930!" ["Dr. Franklin Ruehl's Top 13 Weird Stories Of 2005"]

See more of Delgado's comments at the following Website:

So silicon implants, a direct hardwire towards external manipulation, are some sort of "future utopia" eh? They are only am more wireless attempt at the old fascist mind control perfecting mental slaves, in direct physical and then electromagnetic manipulations.

There's quite a history of several of these biological-silicon thingies on the web at: "The Biological and the Silicon Modifying Humans for Deep Space Travel, by 'Joan d'Arc', which gets into how linked it has always been to the CIA and MKULTRA 'total control freak' syndrome of the political elites.

However, biology seems more crucial to those who think corporate fascist silicon implants are some "cure all":

First one:

Scientists discover key to a longer life (maybe)
By Steve Connor, Science Editor
06 May 2005

Scientists have prolonged the lives of laboratory mice by 20 per cent using a technique that boosts the natural antioxidants of the body.

If similar results are applied to humans then it would mean average lifespans could be extended from the present 75 years or so to more than 100 years.

The findings demonstrate for the first time the important role damaging oxidising substances called "free radicals" play in the ageing process, the researchers said.

Free radicals are electrically charged, highly reactive substances produced as by-products of biological metabolism. They have been linked with heart disease, cancer and other age-related disorders. The mice were genetically engineered to produce high levels of a human enzyme called catalase which destroys the chemical hydrogen peroxide, a rich source of free radicals in the cells of the body.


The scientists also found that the longest-lived mice were those with the highest levels of the catalase enzyme in the tiny powerhouses of the cell, called the mitochondria, thought to generate many free radicals.

...Peter Rabinovitch, professor of pathology at the University of Washington in Seattle and leader of the study, said the findings supported the idea that the mitochondria are one of the key factors that influence the ageing process. "This study is very supportive of the free-radical theory of ageing," he said. "It shows the significance of free radicals, and of reactive oxygen species in particular, in the ageing process."

(From the UK-Independent, Online)

Thus, the distribution of pollution definitely makes a factor in 'health span' as well as genetically 'tinkerable.' Though what else would this do to the interactive systems of the human body, still widely unknown in its cascade reactions? Human biology is the ongoing product of millions of years of fitness of different systems in interaction--suddenly throwing out more of one particular thing is basically a huge shot in the dark. (See the third one below for more on this...)

Besides, all of this the U.S. Government is still throwing money away down looking for the 'genetic cause' of cancer. "The National Institutes of Health launches a $100-million project to help pin down the genetic basis [sic] of cancer." Read that at Red Herring.

Second one: and limiting calorie consumption has long been known as a longevity solution ["Happy 150th birthday: a new era looms for old age," By Ben Hirschler Wed Mar 15, 12:26 PM ET]

Third one is the subtle one:

Cancer Fighter Exacts a Price: Cellular Aging
NYT January 8, 2002

The human body is composed not of perishable materials like wood or metal, but of living cells that can grow and replenish themselves. So if the body's individual units are renewable, why do we not live forever?

Theologians explain that Adam and Eve were denied immortality and expelled from Eden because they dissed the Demiurge. Evolutionary biologists hold that natural selection favors genes that promote having many offspring over those that might ensure longer life. In their view, life span is a trade-off between fertility and longevity, and infinite life would be allied with childlessness and rapid extinction.

A chance discovery by a Texas biologist has provided a different kind of explanation, although one on a very practical level. His answer, appropriately paradoxical for so profound a riddle, is that we age in order to live longer.

The biologist, Dr. Lawrence A. Donehower of the Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, has found that aging seems to be a necessary cost of suppressing cancer. A well-known mechanism that forces cells to commit suicide rather than become cancerous turns out to have the unfortunate side effect of making the body's tissues age faster.

Dr. Donehower's finding, reported in the current issue of Nature, concerns an intensively studied cellular agent that is the body's first line of defense against tumors. The agent, a protein present in every cell, is a stern moral guardian of the cell's behavior; at the slightest appearance of abnormality, especially damage to the cell's DNA, the agent will force the cell either to stop growing or to destroy itself in a suicidal spasm of self-liquefaction.

The agent is known to biologists by the deceivingly humble name of p53 - p for protein, 53 a measure of its weight. In fact, p53 is one of the most important hubs in the living cell's vast network of interacting components. Many circuits that monitor different aspects of the cell's
integrity report back to p53. The reporting takes the physical form of adding or removing small chemical elements that alter p53's function. Placed at the center of this intelligence network, p53 can switch on different sets of genes to perform any of several major actions.

It seems that cancer can only occur when the p53 system is somehow damaged. In half of all human cancers the DNA of the p53 gene itself is directly damaged by a mutation, or change, that renders the protein useless. In many other tumors where the p53 itself seems intact, nearby components in its network are sabotaged, thereby inactivating p53 indirectly.

Dr. Donehower works with mice, a standard organism for geneticists because their cells are very similar to those of people. In 1992 he engineered a strain of mouse that lacked a working gene for p53. This is a common technique for understanding what a gene does - knock it out of a mouse and figure how the mouse has been made deficient.

Sure enough, the mice without p53 died of cancer at an early age.

Dr. Donehower next tried to make another strain of mice in which the p53 gene had a single inactivating change, one that is commonly found in human cancers. But the alteration did not go as planned, a disappointment because engineering a new strain of mouse is hard work. "We made the mice and kind of forgot about them for a year," he said.

He and a colleague, Dr. Stuart D. Tyner, and others expected the mice to develop cancer early, just as the mice without p53 had done. "But first we noticed they were just not getting cancer when they should have gotten it. We also noted that they looked kind of decrepit; they just looked like old mice," Dr. Donehower said.

It turned out that the Baylor team had inadvertently created mice that possessed unusually large amounts of p53 in their cells. The extra p53 was vigorously suppressing cancers. But it was doing something else that looked suspiciously like aging. The mice did not live long, suffered from osteoporosis, had shriveled organs and did not bear up well under stress.

Dr. Donehower said that aging was hard to characterize and that critics might argue the mice were suffering from some subtle pathology different from aging. But he has convinced some biologists that extra p53 may indeed hasten senescence.

The Baylor experiments "raise the shocking possibility that aging may be a side effect of the natural safeguards that protect us from cancer," wrote Dr. Scott Lowe of the [once EUGENICS BASED Harriman family's Skull and Bones funded] Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory in a commentary in Nature.

Mice and people have several tissues, like blood, skin and stomach lining, that suffer constant wear and tear and need a stream of new cells throughout the organism's life. These are generated by a pool of special cells known as stem cells. While an animal is young, the stem cells generate plenty of new cells, and it does not much matter if the tumor-screening p53 mechanism forces many suspect cells to commit suicide.

But it does matter, Dr. Donehower's experiment suggests, as the animal ages and the stem cells themselves may become less prolific. The Baylor mice with extra p53 may be aging prematurely because too many cells are being forced to destroy themselves, and the tissues can no longer function properly.

If so, what does the finding mean for the hopes of increasing human longevity?

Biologists are just beginning to come to grips with the new finding, but some are already hoping it may prove possible to cheat the p53 system - to somehow keep p53's cancer-fighting potency but to curb its promotion of aging. Dr. Donehower said that among his 200 mice with extra p53 there were two that neither got cancer nor grew old prematurely - a hint that some fortunate individuals may naturally possess a way around the cancer-or-aging impasse.

Dr. Leonard Guarente, an expert on the genetics of aging at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, thinks that the activity of p53 could be manipulated through a gene known
as sir2. The gene responds to signals in the cell's metabolism, and extra doses of it can lengthen life in both yeast and roundworms. It could be part of the mechanism underlying the well known finding that calorie-deprived mice live longer.

Dr. Guarente reported in October that sir2 inhibited p53 in mouse cells grown in the laboratory. He hopes there can be a range of doses, or a window, within which "you could increase sir2 activity and downregulate p53 and slow down the unwanted cell death related to aging but still have adequate cancer surveillance."

He has formed a company, Elixir Pharmaceuticals, that is screening for drugs that affect sir2.

One drawback of Dr. Donehower's study is that his experiment may be hard to repeat because his mice with extra p53 were an accident, not rationally designed. Another, as he has pointed out, is the still lingering question of whether his mice showed true aging or some pathology that mimicked it. But those caveats aside, his finding has provocatively brought two vast and separate areas of study, p53 and aging, into sudden conjunction.

"I think it's a very significant paper because it opens your mind to thinking about p53 and aging and allows one to speculate about a lot of things," said Dr. Lowe of Cold Spring Harbor. Why does the skin age so fast in people who are exposed too long to the sun? The answer is not known, Dr. Lowe said, but ultraviolet radiation is one of the damage signals that switches on p53 in a cell, and the extra p53 could be the reason why sunburned skin ages faster.

"With the current study we realize the double-edged sword of p53," Dr. Lowe said. "Without it we'd probably all die of cancer before the age of 30, which is what happens to Li-Fraumeni patients," he said, referring to a syndrome in which many patients have an impaired p53 gene. "With it, only one in three of us get cancer late in life."

"The fountain-of-youth pill will be a challenge if this holds true," Dr. Lowe said, but he did not rule out the possibility of drugs that would deal with the effects of aging directly, leaving p53's role intact.

The new role of p53 is likely to provide just a piece in the puzzle of aging, not the whole picture. Nature can make a mouse live three years, and an elephant 70 years, but probably by some deeper genetic mechanism that has yet to be discovered [or it doesn't really exist and its just the agglutinated free radical damage, which makes more sense, at least biologically: for instance, what would be the biological selection factor of cell death? It would seem that robustness of any living thing would be selected always in the opposite direction by the slings and arrows of life].

The p53 system, Dr. Guarente said, is probably just a way of modulating this deeper mechanism so as to couple the aging rate with the metabolic rate. The reason for this coupling is the enormous evolutionary advantage of being able to bank down metabolism when food gets scarce, outlive the bad times and reproduce later.

Many animals seem to possess this genetic reflex, and it is the reason a low-calorie diet prolongs life in mice and rats. But this mechanism increases life span by only 50 percent or so, Dr. Guarente said, suggesting that the natural life span of a species must be controlled by a separate system.

Another interesting theory is the 'telomeres' one, the extenal leads of protein links that protect the DNA and "wear away" with life and cellular reproduction on average.

Silcon nanotech hive society?

All external silcon based insertions to 'cheat death' or 'improve on biology' (what hubris...) would only reify existing socioeconomic class divisions. You basically unfortunately promote a hive based society of extended life for the rich and mindless short lived lives of 'drones' for everyone else.

Moreover the nanotech strategy is innately dangerous to biological life: read the Organic Consumers Associations nice article on "Nanotechnology: Getting it Right the First Time":

"...laboratory studies already warn that nanoparticles can cause inflammation, damage brain cells, and cause pre-cancerous lesions. Early research also has found that nanoparticles easily pass through body tissues from one area of the body to another. Responsible regulation and oversight will be needed to prevent harmful exposures. Beyond some basic experimental data on cells and in animals, there is very little known about the toxicity of nanomaterials. For example, we know nothing about whether nanomaterials in products such as cosmetics and shampoos penetrate the skin, or vaporize or off-gas from consumer products."

As the author of a More than Human writes in his own review, he failed to see how such silcon 'transhuman enhancements', as they are sold as a form of an "utopian proposal"

57 of 57 people found the following review helpful:
Why I Wrote This Book, March 8, 2005
Reviewer: Ramez Naam "Author" (Seattle, WA) - See all my reviews

In 1999, a friend suggested to me that within a few decades we'd have Matrix-esque implants in our brains that would, among other things, allow us to interact in a completely believable virtual reality and beam our thoughts instantly to one another.

I pooh-pooh'ed the idea.

The brain and body are much too complex to manipulate in that way, or so I thought.

That same year a scientist named Phil Kennedy in Atlanta implanted an electrode into the brain of a paralyzed patient named Johnny Ray - a stroke victim who was completely unable to move, speak, or feed himself. The electrode monitored the activity of just a few neurons inside the patients brain. But through it Johnny was able to learn to control a computer - moving a cursor around on a screen and typing out messages.

Later that year, Joe Tsien at Princeton made the cover of Time Magazine with his Doogie mice - genetically engineered mice that could learn at astounding speeds, up to five times as fast as genetically normal mice.

And that year is also when I learned of the pioneering longevity research of scientists like Tom Johnston at Colorado, who had genetically altered nematode worms to more than double their lifespan and preserve youthful health into old age.

Suddenly, it seemed, science was resembling science fiction.

At the same time, there are a number of voices raised in concern over these technologies. What does it mean to extend our lives, boost our mental abilities, or integrate our minds with computers? Would we still be human? What would happen to society? To equality? To the meaning of life?

I wrote this book to cover these two, interrelated topics:

1)The science of human enhancement - what's actually happening in the labs and what that could lead to in the near future.

2)The ethics, social consequences, and policy challenges of human enhancement. Basically, what we should or shouldn't do with this technology.

More Than Human is an optimistic book, but it's a cautious optimism. Along the way it looks at issues like the effect of longer lives on overpopulation*, on socio-economic stratification and whether these technologies would help the rich pull further away from the poor, and at issues like human identity, and whether we could even call ourselves human after changing ourselves in such ways.

It's not a utopian book. There can be no doubt that using biotechnology to alter the human mind, body, and lifespan will lead to problems. But the conclusion I come to in the book is that these technologies will solve more problems than they create. And that the alternative - to prohibit their use - will create many more problems than it will solve.

You can

* - Note: [actually, population--that old saw, is actually dropping below replacement in many areas already, population bomb became a dud--a justification for mass eugenics thus has been outgrown by the facts at hand--and elites are looking for some novel method of killing people off, shopping for another route for such eugenics and certainly will import all the things they wanted to do before and blame on justified reactions to (dud theory of) 'overpopulation'. They'll just keep the goals and find novel ways to legitimate it publicly--the whole nanotech silcon 'enhancement' sales pitch frameworks seem very much geared to the Delgado 'psychocivilized' fascist dream world. They would use and own the patents on such tech issues to achive the Rockefeller-Gates dream world of the early 1910s.

"In 1913, Frederick Gates, Director of Charity for the Rockefeller Foundation wrote: "In our dreams, we have limitless resources, and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hand. The present educational conventions fade from our minds; and, unhampered by tradition, we work our own good [sic] will upon a grateful and responsive folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or science. We are not to raise up from among them Authors, Orators, Poets or Men of Letters. We shall not search for embryo great Artists, Painters, Musicians. Nor will we cherish even the humbler ambition to raise up from among them Lawyers, Doctors, Preachers, Politicians, Statesmen, of whom we now have ample supply."

Apply that to all the hype about "human improvement"--it all depends on the 'improvers' defining what is the goal. They made it very clear what their elite goals are for such 'improvement' long ago.

And they're still in charge of 'human improvement'--through anything that comes along...

However, free nutrituional therapies like B17 have been known to work for years without all this Big Science frameworks , without financial elites with their mass management fetishes pressured on people as the only allowed 'solutions'. Virtually free natural solutions for such 'biological enhancement' nutritionally known for years, though repressed actively.

This is just one example: watch that video and you'll see what I mean.

G. Edward Griffin - A World Without Cancer - The Story Of Vitamin B17
... essential food compound in modern man's diet. That substance is vitamin B17. In its purified form developed for cancer therapy, it is known as Laetrile.
G. Edward Griffin - 55 min - Apr 7, 2006

[Another good overview article on that: "THE CANCER RESEARCH MONEY MACHINE," By: Devvy Kidd October 9, 2006, 2006 -]

And if in this Rockefeller vein, if they find mechanisms to 'extend life' you can certainly bet they are simultaneously finding ways to 'demote life' in others, toward the old goal of 'improvement' (sic, in their eyes) toward a genetic caste/ hive society. It would basically mean elite tinkering to create 'intra-speciation' of human beings to a caste society.

Many people have attempted to create social movements or to popularize only methods to engineer people for particular political and ideological goals--mostly around the aristocratic goal of saving some and killing/crippling/monitoring the rest.

Will this lead to a 'hive society' that expands existing inequalities and biologically reifies them--to where elites give themselves immortality while raising mentally and physically neutered human drones with shorter lives as slaves? They can only achive this through their limited views of medical practice supporting their 'psychocivilized' hierarchical goals.

However, people have always warned of this power of a medical monopoly to define the sole practices of health. American Founding Father Benjamin Rush wanted medical freedom as a basic human right in the U.S. Constitution. Rush argued that:

"Unless we put Medical Freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship . . . to restrict the art of healing to one class of men, and deny equal privilege to others, will be to constitute the Bastille of Medical Sience. All such laws are un-American and despotic and have no place in a Republic....The Constitution of this Republic should make special privilege for Medical Freedom as well as Religious Freedom."

Don't believe the hype about the U.S. medical/hospital model. It's actually become the #1 cause of death in the U.S. instead of healing, up from #3 a few years ago:


Iatrogenic deaths [induced inadvertently by 'correct' medical treatment or procedures] = 783,936;

2001 heart disease annual death rate , only = 699,697;

annual cancer death rate = 553,251.

cites here:

These are the "medical" people you trust to bring about beneficial discoveries about biological enhancement and long life?

Don't believe the hype.

Other examples in the past remind me of the hype around 'biological enhancement' and how different technologies only came to service the same old relationships as much as they did allow for different more democratic ones.

For instance, once they thought that the mere fact that planes were invented, would once create world peace. Simply flying over countries made them "obsolete. Instead, planes were adopted by governments to enhance 'old fashioned forms' of making countries obsolete--invading them by the air.

They once thought that the radio and television would "cause world peace." Instead, it was adopted to reify the pre-existing inequality and create states based on mass propoganda and the agit-prop 'hive mind' manpulation campaigns and false histories that we presently live within all over the world right now.

And they once thought the internet....well, etc., etc., --you know what I'm saying. Beware.

Jeff mentioned in one of his previous posts about how easy it is to imagine if the Internet existed during Nazi Germany it would be just that much easier to round up the "deomcratic dissidents" down at the local cyber cafe instead of the more anonymous and privately owned printing presses of the White Rose.

Perhaps soon people will say "remember when they thought that "biological enhancement would....", you get the picture.

The U.S. inspired sterilization program was once thought of as "biological enhancement" as well. It actually lasted until 1979:

We have highlighted cases where under the sterilization program in the US, which ran until 1979, people like Ruth Morris were forcibly sterilized, used as guinea pigs in medical experiments, and denied the opportunity ever to have children because the state deemed their IQ not to be high enough. Virginia Governor Mark Warner had to publicly apologize for the program in 2002."

This is your current world. Are these the people interested in "biological enhancement" or just biological control?

10/31/2006 05:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A fascinating entry, as ususal. With regard to shapeshifters, and thier re-emergence at the edges of our psyche- I often study ( watch? enjoy? ) animated cartoons. Usually described as being for kids and teens, but of course today's animation and comic books have very adult themes. Even here, in the color saturated screens and pages of the Cartoon network and Marvel Comics, the shapshifter has made a Huge comback in the first part of the 21st Century. A quick rundown; about half the mutant characters in the X-Men comic books are shapeshifters of one sort or another. " NightCrawler" comes to mind right off the bat. He has counterparts in most of the other comic books as well, whether you mention " The Incredible Hulk " or a host of others. Again, popular 'kid's' cartoons like Teen Titans feature shapeshifters, like the so-called ' BeastBoy' who can, yes, turn from a teenaged kid into any kind of animal imaginable. Again, these aren't examples from real life, but they absolutely teem in the arena that passes for art in our culture. That is, comic books, cartoons and movies. Right now there are more of these than I can even keep up with. The shapeshifter is definitely back. I just wonder wha he wants with me...


10/31/2006 05:55:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

Via, some DNA news Oct 29th:

Epigenomes. A candidate for a transgenerational genetic memory mechanism.

10/31/2006 06:34:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Yes-Yes, how to 'again raise spirit to consciousness'.

Examine our current and historical psychical conditioning systems.

See how dualism is inherently characterized by fixed categories and hard boundaries.

Realize that this must affect how we think and in turn limits what is considered as being possible to manifest.

Knitting party,indeed!

Thanks Jeff and IC for your wonderful mind sparks, -this is life- and I for one love it this way.

From Dan Alford, through IC

"The construct of manifested and manifesting as cosmological foundations instead of space and time crossed over from linguistics into physics and propelled Einstein's co-worker Bohm into envisioning the implicate and explicate orders of reality. Outlandish indeed!"

10/31/2006 06:59:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

The last post was left undone.

The Alford piece refers to the work of Benjamin Whorf, a great man, unknown to me before IC's link.

This man should be of great interest for most RIers. Thanks IC.

10/31/2006 07:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"March to immortality, or march to biologically reified caste society or even hive society?"

Yes, exactly.
It's not about 'immortality',
it's about power. absolute power.
Rockefeller's WAPs are just a fashion accessory.

10/31/2006 07:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I disagree. I think it's about Immortality for some......certainly not immortality, in a socialistic way, for the masses.

Immortality has always been the metaphorical Holy Grail.....and that will never change until it is perceived that it has been attained....perceived being the operative phrase.

10/31/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have always ponder the realtionship between man and silicon. In the back of my mind i see a ever evoulivng form that has charmed us to bring it to life. The final outcome to birth the thing from the stars made of slilcon controlling our own existance living on and with us...

10/31/2006 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger Doc Nebula said...

Just wanted to let everyone know, I have a new blog. I've decided to split off my political comments onto their own page, leaving all the geek stuff I usually do to my regular page. If you're all about the politics and the weirdness, check out the new blog; if you like the superhero comics and the sci fi and the occasional bitter, defeated whining of a Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan watching the ongoing debacle that is his football season, well, stick with the old one.

Read, don't read. Link, don't link. I'll just sit here in the dark.

10/31/2006 12:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ironically as Webster Tarpley and other historians have well pointed out, that rational empiricism which is what mainstream science and much mainstream 'reality' is based on today, is rooted in gnostic mysticism. That the only way to truly know reality (& god) is through our senses and real sensual manifestations (via conjuring etc..).
Newton and the founders of the Royal Society (which founded modern empirical science) were practising rosicrucians or very similar. It was newton and other empiricists (& mysticists) which put man as the master of the universe, able to work out and solve every secret of the universe through experiment and logic (and other means!). Nowadays we have Richard Dawkins suggesting science can pretty much rule out God, since statistically a 'material' (since we can use statistics on god!) god is improbable!
All thats left then are the human animals and the men who can become 'gods' themselves through knowledge.
Does this sound totally different from people like Hubbard (see Hubbard Jrs penthouse interview) and Crowley?

Nowadays the idea that man and his knowledge can understand the whole universe (& god) has hit quite a few walls. We have Bells Inequality in quantum mechanics which proves 'spooky action', faster than light action at a distance, and unempirical quantum 'randomness' too.

More importantly there is Godel's Theorem and Gregory Chaitin's mathematical work which shows the serious limitation of using pure mathematical logic and reasoning in understanding the world.
Chaitin (who openly draws inspiration from Leibniz) believes that it is human intuition & spirit the must be harnessed to push maths forward and to understand the world instead better instead of a 'know-it-all' mechanical (algorithmic) outlook.
The fact that humans can come up with and understand Godel's Theorem means that our brains must behave non-algorithmically, unlike computers do, much to the chagrin of Strong-AI people, who think they can create computers with real intuition/self-awareness like humans.
Physicist Roger Penrose has tried to address this intution & consciousness 'problem' by saying we need a new model of physics to explain human consciouness (humanity), whereby the brain utilises quantum gravity. Basically the problem of understanding humanity and all the rest of it via modern empirical science is proving impossible and there may be things which we will never understand through materialism.

apologies for the long post, I ended up waffling.

10/31/2006 02:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zowie I am a prophet. hahaha...

I understand that this spiritual world is very chaotic. Based on my studies of theology the spiritual beings in our world are always working at making nature itself meaningless. The workers of iniquity (in this case Satan himself) possessed Judas Iscariot, the apostles respected administrator of funds, to make sure that he would indeed betray this self proclaimed bringer of another spiritual dimension. Israel's long awaited Messiah's death was not left to chance. Judas's possession by this superterrestrial being did the walking and the talking then left the human to fend for himself. The religious authorities newfound righteous one then committed suicide.

The world that then was is creation in eternity past, to which all fossils and "remains" belong. This creation spoken about in the very first verse of Genesis had been possessed by these spiritual beings. Based on their freewill conscience (which is a created gift, no different than the creation of the opposite sex, the creation of our capacity to reason, etc.) they had made the earth and universe a chaotic waste. Elohim did not create the earth and universe without form to the believer as it is written in verse 2 of the book of Genesis. The earth became chaotic and without form.

We are not told how long it lasted before it's ruin. When geologists have settled how many years they require, they may place them between Genesis 1 verses 1 and 2. This creation then was recreated to what we are living in now. Many Christians lack this theology and my point to the reader is that this ruin is understood as being the direct involvement of these spirit beings present in the world today.

Ask your Ouji board specific questions about Jesus the Son of God and see what the spirit guide of the Ouji tells you. The spirit guide of all Ouji boards does not like Jesus the Son of God. They despise Him. They are here to destroy this world. Christ came to preserve it.

This is for both the believer and unbeliever to ponder on. I hope you do not get too spooked tonight. I do not encourage you to tap into the Ouji but I realize that no one's gonna stop you from doing this. This knowledge about Christ being despised by the spirit guides of the Ouji is taken at full value by me without exception.

Destroyers not benefactors. They are far more superior than us geniuses in my opinion. And their doctrines reign supreme in many puplpits of the Christian persuasion. Morbid true but we know that this is their favorite sphere of influence. Not the influence of human depravity.

10/31/2006 03:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow! Looks like everyone is off their meds today huh??

10/31/2006 04:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Nazarene has acted as a distraction. One just recites a few robotic meaningless prayers and sets his/herself on the path of severe self-denial and he/she is automatically “saved.” True spirituality never even enters into the picture. The Christian churches are and always have been 100% material, though they try to convince an ignorant populace otherwise. The truth is- we save our own souls and the alien enemies of humanity know this. This is the real reason the world in such chaos. The enemy continues to play the game of deluding people and placing the blame for this chaos on the human race as a whole, while they, themselves have been the ones who have worked relentlessly to remove all spiritual knowledge that would have prevented much of this from this world. Only through Satan can they be defeated. Satan is our True God and Creator. He gave us “the breath of life” which is the human soul. He wishes us to empower ourselves and to advance spiritually.

Happy Halloween

10/31/2006 06:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Satan's Creation of Humanity

When we look to the Black Book of Satan; The Al-Jilwah, we find in Chapter IV, Father Satan says: "I have allowed the creation of four substances, four times and four corners; because they are necessary things for creatures."

This is a description of the DNA molecule! Anyone who is familar with the composition and structure of DNA knows the molecule is spiral shaped, and coiled like a SERPENT. The DNA also has rungs like a ladder. The rungs of the ladder are made up of FOUR compounds, called bases. The bases are adenine, cytosine, guanine and thymine. (Abbreviated A, C, T and G). These FOUR nucleotides can combine in pairs, in sequences of limitless variety and are bound into place.

DNA IS THE BASIS OF LIFE! Without DNA, life would not exist. The Serpent is the symbol of healing for both the body and the soul. The Serpent is also the symbol of medicine. The medical caduceus has two serpents entwined around a staff. This can be seen in nearly every doctor's office and symbolizes the kundalini, which is of Satan. The Serpent is also a symbol of wisdom and knowledge. THE SERPENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE SYMBOL OF SATAN AND REPRESENTS WISDOM, KNOWLEDGE, HEALING, AND LIFE.

Father Satan also states in the Black Book: "None shall live in this world longer than the time set by me." Satan created us and determined our life span, as humans. When he attempted to make us as the Gods and give us immortality, the other Gods stopped him.

The teachings of the false alien "god" warp, pervert and malign everything that is good for us. The Christians have attempted to turn the Serpent into a symbol of horror. If it wasn't for xianity, medical science would already have cures for just about every disease or medical condition there is, including aging.

10/31/2006 06:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

great article on Godels Theorem and its importance here:

10/31/2006 06:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Break on through to the other side.

Stanislav Grof (born 1931 in Prague, Czechoslovakia) is one of the founders of the field of transpersonal psychology and a pioneering researcher into the use of altered states of consciousness for purposes of healing, growth, and insight.

Grof is known in particular for his early studies of LSD and its effects on the psyche—the field of psychedelic psychotherapy. He constructed a theoretical framework for pre- and perinatal psychology and transpersonal psychology in which LSD trips and other powerfully emotional experiences were mapped onto one's early fetal and neonatal experiences. Over time, this theory developed into an in-depth cartography of the deep human psyche. Following the legal suppression of LSD use in the late 1960s, Grof went on to discover that many of these states of mind could be explored without drugs and instead by using certain breathing techniques in a supportive environment. He continues this work today under the title "Holotropic Breathwork".

10/31/2006 08:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who''s on first?

The proof of Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem is so simple, and so sneaky, that it is almost embarassing to relate. His basic procedure is as follows:

1. Someone introduces Gödel to a UTM, a machine that is supposed to be a Universal Truth Machine, capable of correctly answering any question at all.
2. Gödel asks for the program and the circuit design of the UTM. The program may be complicated, but it can only be finitely long. Call the program P(UTM) for Program of the Universal Truth Machine.
3. Smiling a little, Gödel writes out the following sentence: "The machine constructed on the basis of the program P(UTM) will never say that this sentence is true." Call this sentence G for Gödel. Note that G is equivalent to: "UTM will never say G is true."
4. Now Gödel laughs his high laugh and asks UTM whether G is true or not.
5. If UTM says G is true, then "UTM will never say G is true" is false. If "UTM will never say G is true" is false, then G is false (since G = "UTM will never say G is true"). So if UTM says G is true, then G is in fact false, and UTM has made a false statement. So UTM will never say that G is true, since UTM makes only true statements.
6. We have established that UTM will never say G is true. So "UTM will never say G is true" is in fact a true statement. So G is true (since G = "UTM will never say G is true").
7. "I know a truth that UTM can never utter," Gödel says. "I know that G is true. UTM is not truly universal."

Think about it - it grows on you ...

With his great mathematical and logical genius, Gödel was able to find a way (for any given P(UTM)) actually to write down a complicated polynomial equation that has a solution if and only if G is true. So G is not at all some vague or non-mathematical sentence. G is a specific mathematical problem that we know the answer to, even though UTM does not! So UTM does not, and cannot, embody a best and final theory of mathematics ...

Although this theorem can be stated and proved in a rigorously mathematical way, what it seems to say is that rational thought can never penetrate to the final ultimate truth ... But, paradoxically, to understand Gödel's proof is to find a sort of liberation. For many logic students, the final breakthrough to full understanding of the Incompleteness Theorem is practically a conversion experience. This is partly a by-product of the potent mystique Gödel's name carries. But, more profoundly, to understand the essentially labyrinthine nature of the castle is, somehow, to be free of it.

10/31/2006 08:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just took a pill.

10/31/2006 08:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we get a rain check for the October Surprise?

10/31/2006 08:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe it'll instead be an Early November Surprise... so that what ever it is will definately be fresh on the minds of attention deficient (washed or otherwise) masses.

When everyone expects it, it ceases to be a surprise.

"They" are definately beyond the need for such things, when "they" count the votes.

10/31/2006 08:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who made up this Oct.Surprise thing anyway?

Looks like perhaps the need for predictable dates may have skewed the talents of angry opposition.

Score another point for the ptb who can call down an Oct. Sprise at will, depending on the expectations of the unw masses, and keep them guessing wildly, expending energy on fear while the program progresses beneath their loose footing.

Then on the other hand...perhaps there is too much awareness afoot this halloween for a surprise to work, and so it was shelved for the time being.

I see desperation but it may be temporary - surely the war is on between the lizards and the humans - but at present it is a tie, a tossup.

Lets see if the lizards are successful in stealing this election, and then lets see how the humans respond, whether they win or lose by the published numbers. It shouldn't matter because in war all is fair; a fixed election has no meaning and is invalid, leaving the humans with only their raw power such as it is, to prevail.

10/31/2006 10:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nature is the law baby, nature is the law now baby now.

Ahhhhaha Oooohh

10/31/2006 10:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"surely the war is on between the lizards and the humans"

This goes a long way towards explaining why my son's pet iguana has been eyeballing me for the last 2 hours.
Here I am obsessively dwelling on RI disinfo agents while all the time there's been a damn spy in my own home.
Now if I could only find some salt, some charcoal, some sulpher & some diamonds...& maybe a nice & sturdy hollowed out log, I could do a Capt. Kirk on his Gorn/Iguana/Lizard King ass.

"I'm a spy in the house of Love.
I know the dream that you're dreamin' of;
I know the word that you long to hear.
I know your deepest secret fear."

10/31/2006 11:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I belive the phrase "october suprise" was first used to describe
the deal Reagen cut with Iran to hold the hostages until the election with Jimmy Carter was over. In exchange, when Reagen was elected President, he would secretly sell them weapons. The deal was put together by Bush Sr.

10/31/2006 11:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting side-note to the Octobre surprise story was that one of the names that shows up as a pilot on legit looking Iran-Contra documents is that of Gunther Russbacher, who claimed to have flown bush sr by blackbird to Paris for the relevant meeting. Russbacher and his wife write all about torture induced conditioning, saying that McCain and others were brainwashed by the Chinese and subsequently rebrainwashed by Americans. He also recounts some apparently harrowing experiences being persecuted by John Ashcroft and others, resulting in imprisonment. His wifes stuff is even wierder encompassing things like Secret CIA TV channels in hotels and casual everyday use of persuasive hypnosis and even advanced organ harvesting from engineered animals.

I'm fairly sure some of its disinfo, but its wierd seeing it linked so closely to a more "safe" conspiracy that the "rational" left will often accept.

11/01/2006 02:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Doxter Bombay,

I believe you may be mistaken in your statement. I think the first "October surprise" concerned Henry Kissinger's simultaneous offers to both Richard Nixon and Hubert Humphrey to drop some political bombshell, or not to drop it, viz. Viet Nam, in exchange for a guarantee of being appointed National Security Advisor.

In my advancing age and at this late hour the nature of the event or datum to be leashed or unleashed, concealed or revealed, escapes me. But I do think this was the first "October surprise" viz. a U.S. presidential election. I may be wrong, however.

11/01/2006 02:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dolly the cloned lamb in 1996 was born thanks to the Roslin Institute in Scotland. Since then mice, cows, Tetra the female monkey, and pigs have been successfully cloned.

According to Andrew Kimbrell, author of the book, The Human Body Shop, Dolly is not the first cloned mammal. He states that scientists and corporations have been cloning mammals for about 15 years. Researchers have taken about 3 dozen human genes and put them into the permanent genetic code of animals.

George Washington University researchers (reported in the New York Times, Oct. 24, 1993) took 17 human embryos and cloned them into 42 indentical embryos. This provided a pattern for future cloning, Kimbrell continues. The ability to use non-embryo DNA allows for one to more easily create tailor-made human embryos for research. This will spur a whole industry into trying to create designer embryos for a variety of research and a variety of diseases. So when we talk of coporate ownership of the entire human genome, it is not entirely in the abstract. It is already happening.

This is an important issue. Before this, we thought that the human body was a common heritage that we all owned and could not be owned by a particular company, especially our own genes! However, we are now seeing a full-scale invasion of the market into the body commons. This being the Biotech Industry. Clinics can have their own patented embryo lines, which they sell to researchers.

A March 31, 1998 Reuters article reads that a Henry Daniell and his colleagues at Alabama's Auburn University wrote in their report in the journal Nature Biotechnology, "The escape of foreign genes via pollen is a serious environmental concern...because of the high rates of gene flow from crops to wild weedy relatives."

So the present method scientists are using with genetically engineered plants is presumed unsafe.

For more knowledge about this kind of biotech type in your search engine the words Cloning - How Far Will It Go? Numerous articles to choose from.

11/01/2006 05:05:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

anon 6:25,

I agree with much of what you say, however I think your semantics are wrong.

If Satan is taken as the static principle, or the element that seeks to 'freeze the spiritual into the material'; this then is represented best by the 'Church'

The element that you 'worship' is more like Lucifer, or the principle of indescriminate change, which seeks to 'divorce the spiritual from the material'.

These two principles are the negative polarity of order and liberty, yet through their balancing we will recognise the positive through the Christ principle.

So yes, two wrongs can make a right.

11/01/2006 06:26:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

The circle goes unbroken. The libraries were not lost nor will they ever be lost. What comes around goes around. Have you ever experienced a peak experience? No words can describe it. No life can live through it. We don't need to be siliconed to live a thousand years. We need to be purified. Look straight into the sun. Would it be there if it could harm you? It will not harm you.

11/01/2006 10:13:00 AM  
Blogger nunnatsunega said...

An interesting post (as usual) and some interesting comments, with plenty of things to look into...

Cave art...of course I think the images are multivalent, but as for the cave guy with the hard take on it is that it is first of all a symbol for the depiction of the imaginal (ala Corbin) world...sort of a "key symbol" of sorts...a sign signifying "here we are in the dream world" - I mean how much of our dream time is accompanied by that sign in the "hard" world of heavy/thick borders? a lot I'd think...and gee...I remember back when I was a kid going to church interfacing the spiritual and being upset with all the standing up to sing when you get a hard on sitting their on the hard pews listening to God I alone in this? But that God is kind of the big Phallus in the sky anyway ain't he? Giving another meaning to "rising from the dead"...spirituality trumps blue pills...

Of course, like I said, I think it's is the elan vital rising...

And I don't know about you other vets...but when I was dirt poor and needed to pull myself up by selling my body to the army (they never really got my mind thank you Big Guy in the Sky) for four-something boot camp one of the DIs used to constantly tell us, "shoot Ivan in the head and get a hard on" - other than dating me, it indicates a certain interesting mix of death/life stuff mentioned in some of the does "**** you!"

All this cave art stuff though...what better place to have a holy hard on than in the Womb of Gramma Earth? Or does the image shrivel one?

Caves and skulls...Manger and the Mayan tradition I hear that the skull is a symbolic representation of the seed of new life...the corn that has to fall to produce the new plant... Not being in the Americas anymore, I'm not always too current with what's going on there, but here in Korea I'm noticing skulls and bones on a LOT of "new fashion" - t-shirts, dresses, all sorts of stuff unrelated seemingly to the "death metal" crap I'd expect to see it on...why all of this coming out here now? Is it a portent of things to come...a sign seeping out from the consciousness of those artsy folks who give us fashion? sensitive lot they sometimes seem to be...tapping into the spooky zeitgeist?

11/01/2006 12:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the cave guy has a hard on because you get a hard on when you go into a deep ecstatic or shamanic trance. the root chakra has to be on full alert so as to maintain the connection with the body while the soul is travelling. its just a practical thing.

11/01/2006 12:54:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

You get a hard on becaue "Rico played with it". And it gets really hard in a cave because masterbation happens mostly in the mind and deep inside Mother Earth, the mind can focus.

11/01/2006 08:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of hard-ons:

" The town of Ramadi has a population of about 300,000 people of which nearly 100% are Sunni. Ramadi is one of the most dangerous places to be stationed in Iraq. Our latest battle was just in the news. The press reported that we only killed 2 insurgents, but we whacked 15 of those bastards. The fight lasted about 45-60 minutes. Fucking crazy. I always seem to end up in the middle of shit. They initiated the ambush with rockets. I could see, hear, and feel the rocket wiz about a foot from my shoulder, then the bullets started coming. One rocket hit the Humvee, bounced up hit the gun shield and then hit the 50 cal right in its side but it never detonated. The stupid fucks don't know that they have to pull the safety pin on the rockets before they shoot them. Thank god they are bad shots. The gunner came out of the turret and hit the ground behind the hummer. I kept yelling at him to look at me. I had to run over to his hummer and check him out. He was dusted by something but was ok. You could tell he thought that he didn't have a face left. That was when I started shooting. I got one fuck for sure and maybe another one, but a grenade round detonated behind him right when I was shooting. We ran out of ammo. It was a hell of a fight. I am not sure if my dick got hard during the fight but was hard for 4 hours afterwards."

Let's see: shamanic trance=hard on
Hell, when I was a teenager I got a hard-on just aout every time the wind changed direction so

change in wind direction=hard-on

&, of course,
Shrub watching Eyes Wide Shut=hard-on

Yep, looks like we've established that guys get hard-ons.

I just want to know if the lizard people get hard-ons as they shapeshift back & forth, from human to gecko to human to bearded dragon to human to skink, etc., etc., etc.

Aaaaaaaaaaah! The rigorously intuitive wonder of science in action.

11/02/2006 01:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

&, of course,
Shrub watching Eyes Wide Shut=hard-on

In all fairness, it was only a the old days, it would have been full-fledgling.

Even though it was partial, I still felt compelled to hide it from my wife which can be quite amusing.

11/02/2006 10:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That was a very insightful piece you posted, Richard, and, actually, spot on. It waxes nostalgic for me, believe it, or not.

When I was a young lad growing up in the renotest section of the Arkansas Ozarks, I enjoyed hunting Razorbacks with just a Bowie Knife. As you probably know, they are extremely dangerous animals who have been known to kill humans....and that made the hunt all the more exciting. Needless to say, I had my fair share of close calls.....and I had been deeply gouged and bitten on more than one occasion...but the thrill of it provided quite an adrenaline high.

It took quite a bit of strategy and physical strength/exertion to subdue the wild hog....and it was worth every bit of it.

Once subdued, I would literally carve out its heart without killing it first. The heart would still be beating in some cases...and my friends and I would eat the damn thing as though it was the host at Catholic Communion.

Here's the weird was so utterly primal that I felt as though I was in another state of consciousness. It was as though it wasn't me....but, of course, it was. I would experience a massive, and prolonged erection as part of this process, and I would cum multiple times without caressing myself, or even caring to do so. It was purely involuntary.....but positively euphoric....and addictive. This altered-conscious state lasted, sometimes, for hours, along with the super-sexual side effects. You wouldn't believe how much ejaculate the human body is capable of producing when confronted with certain conditions. Let's put it this way....I'd approximate it at 12 oz., give or take.

The evenings following this ritual witnessed the sleep of the dead. In otherwords, no better sleep have I ever had. You wouldn't imagine sleep like this is possible. It was so deep and defies an adequate description.

So, I understand what's described in that article quite distinctly....and it makes me pine for the good 'ol days, as you could well imagine.

11/02/2006 12:34:00 PM  
Blogger Robert Persson said...

Shrubageddon/Richard/Iridescent Cuttlefish/Mort Jacobs/etc etc said:


Excellent and thought-provoking insight on your part.

I have already made it abundantly clear that I know what you are. You in turn tried to throw the same accusation back at me, along with some unpleasant jokes about me and my family, and various other nasty ploys, all with the intention of discrediting me in any way you could. Now you pretend to be sincerely interested in what I have to say and sincerely interested in fostering an intelligent debate.

Let no one have any illusions that you are in any way my friend, or that you have any reason for posting on this blog other than to destroy it.

11/03/2006 02:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have already made it abundantly clear that I know what you are.

When I hit that link it says I'm Steve Talbert. How do you figure I'm Steve Talbert. I mean....maybe I am..but if I am....I didn't know it up until you mentioned it. I'll take your word for it.

You in turn tried to throw the same accusation back at me, along with some unpleasant jokes about me and my family, and various other nasty ploys, all with the intention of discrediting me in any way you could.

I did no such thing. Prove to me that I did what you say. I'm talking about Shrubageddon.....not my other alters.

Now you pretend to be sincerely interested in what I have to say and sincerely interested in fostering an intelligent debate.

I assure you, my commnents to you, that you quoted, were purely genuine and well-intended. It's a pity you feel that way.

Let no one have any illusions that you are in any way my friend

What am odd statement. Why would anyone have such illusions? Do you really think someone took my comments to you to mean we are friends in some way?

How odd.

or that you have any reason for posting on this blog other than to destroy it.

Another bizarre statement....but one we here so often. What is this blog that I must destroy it....assuming that is my intent....which it isn't?

11/03/2006 04:28:00 PM  
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