Thursday, January 04, 2007

The Demon Was an Idea (Part Two)

Scratch mark traced across the surface of your mind
This hour, now upon us: the hour, now arrived
- "Unmarked Helicopters"

In 1952 Mrs Margarita Ruiz de Lihory y Resino, who bore the titles of the Marquise of Villasante and the Baroness of Alcatrali, opened her sprawling and ancient estate in the Spanish city of Albacete to two young men described by witnesses as "Scandinavian looking" who presented themselves as "Danish doctors." They stayed for two years, conducting "psycho-physiological experiments with animals," according to several letters received by CIA agents stationed in Madrid prior to 1965. The letters also alleged the doctors weren't Danes at all, but rather Nordic alien "space brothers" from the planet "UMMO."

In the summer of 1953 the Baroness's daughter Margot Shelly fell sick, and the friend with whom she was staying contacted the Marquise, who had Margot examined by her mysterious doctors. One called her illness benign, and the other likely fatal. The latter diagnosis proved accurate, and she died in her mother's house on January 19, 1954. Before Margot was buried her corpse was surgically mutilated. One of her hands, both eyes and her tongue were gone.

The following week one of the Marquise's sons filed a complaint against her, alleging indignities had been performed on his sister's body. Police were dispatched to search the house and Margot's missing parts were found. (No trace, it would seem, of the "Danish doctors.") Her body was exhumed and a criminal suit was launched.

Jacques Vallee writes in Revelations:

The Marquise had many pet animals on her properties. Many of her dogs died in mysterious ways. Some were found with the stomach open; others were mummified. In the yard of her property on Calle Mayor was a dog and cat cemetery, and a witness observed various animal heads that were kept in silver containers in one of the rooms. It is said that she bought many dogs in Albacete, and that dissections took place in her house. She denied participating, saying only that these operations were conducted by a veterinarian. The only veterinarian known to have treated her pets is Jaime Aguedo Trigueros, who said other people had conducted autopsies of the animals.

Vallee goes on to quote Andres Gomes, butler to the Marquise for ten years, from an interview published by the newspaper Levante on February 7, 1954. The estate held an underground chamber called Cuarto del Moro: the Moor's Quarters. It was "a horrible place, where one could only go down through a metal trapdoor that could only take two people." The trapdoor was located in the floor of the Marquise's bathroom, and Gomes believed the mansion held other underground passages. "She would spend many hours there. I don't know what she did there exactly, but she came up as pale as a corpse."

Jim Keith notes in Casebook on the Men in Black that "the Marquise was apparently exonerated of criminality, because there is no record of her being punished for the mutilation of her daughter. Likewise no extraterrestrial connection was ever proven, although the plot thickened when a man believed to be CIA turned up in Madrid, offering a sizable reward for information helping him to locate the Ummites."

"UMMO" is certainly a hoax, likely originated in a tricksterish fashion by parapsychologist Jose Luis Jordan Peña as a "scientific experiment aiming at gauging the level of gullibility among Spanish researchers." But as even Peña admitted, the experiment got away from him, though some researchers contend it was taken way, by one or more intelligence agency conducting a different order of experiment.

In Canuelas, Argentina, from behind a six-foot high wire fence, Carlos Jerez opened the so-called "International Medical Research Facility" in 1973 which bore a plaque with a symbol that resembled two inverted parentheses joined by a cross: the UMMO symbol. The center claimed to pursue alternative cancer research and made extravagant claims of success using gamma radiation treatment, drawing many terminally ill patients with hopes of a cure Jerez said was extraterrestrial in origin. (Evocative of the "Danish doctors" and their "psycho-physiological experiments" on the terminally ill Margot Shelly.) Vallee notes that before Argentine authorities shut down Jerez's facility and he vanished without a trace, Jerez wrote in a letter that "in secret I have created in the world an intelligence service."

And as the Soviet Union stumbled towards dissolution in the Fall of 1989, a series of remarkable UFO events occurred in the city of Voronezh, generating rare mainstream press around the world, including a front page story in the New York Times. Witnesses to the main episode were children, and their sketches of the craft included a symbol on its side. Again, it was the UMMO symbol.

Whatever the nature of the UMMO hoax and its viral propagation, it appropriated to its legend something genuinely mysterious: the obscure and macabre story of Albacete's mutilations. And the mystery, evidently, continues:

From a posting by Loren Coleman Sept 12, 2003:

Albacete-based parapsychologist and ufologist Jose de Zor, one of the main experts in the UMMO case, has been detained by the police and charged with the murder of a young pilot, Manuel Esposito.

It is worth noting that de Zor has focused exclusively on the ties between the UMMO case and the "amputated hand" of Albacete.

Manuel Esposito's corpse was found decapitated on June 24. An investigation was started in which the term "ritual crime" was kept in mind by police investigators at all times.

All clues lead to the small town of Albacete, specifically its gay community.... Jose de Zor achieved a certain measure of popularity last year after performing certain hypnotic regressions on Spanish television last year.

Another report adds:

The date of Esposito's death, June 24, and the method of murder - decapitation - have fueled speculation that the culprits might be linked to Freemasonry. Or they might be enemies of Freemasonry trying to "frame" the Spanish lodges.

June 24 is known as St. John's Day, commemorating John the Baptist. This desert prophet and cousin of Jesus Christ was killed in 28 A.D., beheaded by the troops of King Herod at the request of the princess Salome. The date reportedly has much significance in Masonic and occult lore.

As researcher Eugenia Macer-Story pointed out, "Yes, there is a dangerous ritual sorcery cult 'out there,' as I have often attempted to convey to U.S. researchers mired in atheist, humanist programming."

(I haven't found a follow-up to the de Zor story, though perhaps one exists in Spanish.)

It's hard to say and certainly wrong to presume what is going on here. My conjecture is that science was not being conducted in the Marquise's Cuarto del Moro, but ritual, and that even when her own daughter was the subject she was protected by virtue of her rank in fascist Spain. The "Scandinavian-looking" doctors could easily have been German, who in 1952 found it less problematic to pass themselves off as Danes. And most speculatively, perhaps de Zor, whose research "focused exclusively" upon the mutilations in his hometown, was framed on a date of occult significance by the "ritual sorcery cult" to which the Marquise herself had belonged. And so the story's adoption by the possibly intel-exploited legend of "UMMO," either by accident or design, served as an absurd distraction from the subterranean lives of fascist nobility as well as a discrediting hoax of genuine paranormal phenomena.

But it's difficult to know, and it's difficult to not know.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's something eerily prescient.

It appears it was just re-entering space junk, after all. Nothing to see here, please move along...

1/04/2007 01:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PERTUSA buys the Barony of Alcalalí
to Marques de Villasor in 1599 and
its ties. He is the first territorial gentleman or

Bit of contention to keep the title going after that scandal. The Sec of State of Spain wanted to end it [info not in the translated bits below, though at the link].

The title at issue, like the jurisdictional barony or señorío of Alcalalí, has had for more than 200 years only by the line of Doña Soledad Ruiz of Lihory, that obtained confirmation of the title in 1850 on the barony acquired in 1599.

The last baroness of Alcalalí was her grandmother, Dª Solitude Ruiz de Lihory and Resino of Bastida, Marquise of Villasante, Countess of Val of the Eagle and Baroness of Alcalalí, that passed away in 1964. ["Mrs Margarita Ruiz de Lihory y Resino"]

When not asking for the title its only daughter, and mother of Doña Soledad Ruiz of Lihory, Countess of Val of the Eagle, obtained succession letter the father of the demanded one, gift Joaquin Manglano Cucaló de Montull, Baron of Carcer, in a presented/displayed file outside plagued of errors and in which two barons of Alcalalí skipped, omitting deliberately....

However, in spite of such deficiencies it was granted
passed four years of inaudita form Real Letter of Succession.

Now the granddaughter of the last baroness, present Head of the House Ruiz de Lihory, tries to restore her right to give back the title to
those of its origin and ancestry.

These search terms have been highlighted: ruiz lihory y resino

1/04/2007 01:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

here is a website that categorizes symbols and what it says about the particular symbol you have drawn above:

1/04/2007 01:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and here i thought my mother was messed up.

1/04/2007 02:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


When you speak of "fascist nobility," how do you mean it? I think of "fascism" as Mussolini meant it: an alliance of State and Corporate interest. I suspect you mean something different; a pro-Franco, crypto-Monarchist, anti-populist and anti-communist revanchist, who may or may not be allied with Gladio, or intelligence-agency-linked secret societies that indulge in sanguinary rites of passage.

They are two very different things, even if occasionally the two worlds overlap.

It may be that your usage has become the dominant, understood one. The word "Nazi" has also come to mean something different, certainly, than what the original economic programme of National Socialism intended: again, the State coopting the mechanisms of industry (although behind the scenes financing was through very private banking concerns).

It is the marriage of State and Corporation that underpins our post-Enlightenment world. The bright minds of the Enlightenment operated against a social and political backdrop still dominated by Church interests. Today, almost all mechanisms of culture, not to mention political power, are owned by corporate/banking syndicates, including the Universities, Research Foundations, and think tanks.

It is seemingly monolithic and inviolable, yet, for some reason, in the dank corners we find these bizarre ritualistic crimes, seemingly superfluous to the straight-up mission of rampant profit-taking and economic exploitation. Why does the man in the grey flannel suit have to be Jack the Ripper, too?

But these rituals are not superfluous, not at all: they are the necessary machinery of blackmail, operating under guise of "secret societies," but actually the product of the best minds of our intelligence services, who need to control backsliding politicians, journos, and businessfolk.

And to keep the hoi polloi (us) from guessing at what it is they're doing (because surely, they suspect, there would be outrage, followed by revolution, if the truth were known--the secrecy of the elites is their nod towards their own guilt), a number of cover stories are generated, and carefully elaborated through the years.

Space aliens is one such cover.

If there is a kernel of truth to your tale, the nordic guys probably were German "arrangers" of...ahem...sessions, in which visiting dignitaries were invited, and then filmed, in flagrante delicto, or not so delicto. Very useful to have willing nazis around to do your Abu Ghraibing. They're a dying breed, but, no doubt, they were damn good in their day.

So I admit that "fascist" is a broad brush, but at the heart of the terror fomented on the population by the whole cultic-intelligence service-torture-MKULTRA nexus is a State owned by monied interests.

But the monied interests also own the Press, and they're not talking.

As for those of us who like to think we're aware of the Game, as has been said many times on this board, its Eyes Wide Shut.

1/04/2007 02:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whoooo man, I am very glad you're back, Jeff. Thank you.

1/04/2007 02:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think of "fascism" as Mussolini meant it: an alliance of State and Corporate interest.

Well, since the right wing Brits really helped kick start Italian fascism historically, what does that tell you? [cite Treason in America]

Add in the European fellow travelling monarchists and some (not all) Catholics to that equation, and I think that this is what Jeff would be implying by 'fascist nobility':

Fascism as an alliance of State, Corporate, hard right wing Catholic, and right wing Monarchist.

Simply limiting one's defintion to the economic and political issues will make economic reductionists happy and cozy, though it's hardly an exact expression of where support for fascist sentiment came from in Europe: right wing Catholics and monarchists as well as allied to the movements. This is particularly the case in Germany with the Junkers, the "Clivenden" set in England as England's Nazis, the 1930s English king-to-be who was forced to resign over his pro-Nazi leanings more than anything, the crypto-fascist hard right Catholic Bonapartes (descendants of incredibly ultramontane Napoleon III) that Teddy Roosevelt sponsored to head the proto-FBI in the early 1900s.

Hardly to imply that all catholics are right wing. The world is always more complicated than such stereotypes.

The 1800s Popes really hated more than anything else left wing Catholics, even going to the extent of excommunicating all Catholics who supported communism; and some monarchists seem left wing or right wing (Prince Charles seems socialist on some points or even anti-monarchist as last Russian Czar Nicky wished more than anything to resign and destroy the Romanov dynasty, as a huge chore and bore, to be what he loved to play at--a private happy citizen woodcutter; Swedish Bernadotte are quite left wing patrimonial aristocratic, though Sweden is for centuries a huge mess of (successful) constrained democratic royalism with huge variations in its history actually when royals get out of legal control; the late Reiner III of Monaco, who married and probabaly allowed the killing of his wife Grace Kelly who started to 'rock the boat' on some strange shananigans that he was involved in would be the exact opposite right wing extreme; the Queenie in England is perhaps the worst crypto-fascist of them all, working with ex-CIA head George H. W. Bush, where supposedly hundreds of billions of drug moneys have been laundered into her group bank account with George H. W. Bush at her private Coutts Bank (according to the late Sherman Skolnick, who got second opinions on some copies of wire trasfers into a said account, one of them 100 billion dollars, and all opinions were the transfers were not counterfeits though legitimate leaks about where the drug moneys go):

Part 48
The Bribery List
by Sherman H. Skolnick 2/13/04

THE PURPORTED LIST OF SECRET ACCOUNTS of Paul Martin, currently Prime Minister of Canada, and/or his Canada Steamship Lines Ltd., and/or their subsidiaries, of which he has been the owner and was the Chairman and CEO, which entities purportedly shipped forbidden clandestine goods such as nuclear items destined to North Korea; and the joint accounts of the Bush Crime Family with Queen Elizabeth II in her private bank, Coutts Bank London, one account amounting to ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS, in which Saddam Hussein, once the private business partner of George Herbert Walker Bush, has a large interest in the same; together with Philippine banks acting as money laundries; together with related persons and entities; funds from illicit transactions, including but not limited to gold smuggling, American CIA and other espionage agencies funds for covert operations including political assassinations, North America, and overseas, and osmium nuclear bomb triggers, and funds transferred from the traditional Mafia by way of the Vatican Bank, as well as disguised funds resulting from the Red Chinese Secret Police using soybean and currency trading through the Chicago markets to disguise illicit transactions in violation of "due diligence" provisions required of commodity brokers and allowed to be violations by the highly corrupt U.S. commodity regulators, namely the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, CFTC; such reputed illicit trans- actions federal criminally implicating certain members and transactors of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and certain of their account holders, but not limited to the same; some of the accounts were ostensibly used to bribe and/or otherwise corruptly influence public officials in the U.S., Canada, and elsewhere, for the purpose of corrupting their official duties and functions, and to corruptly influence elections of public officials. Some of the accounts were for apparent tax evasions funneled through banks and enttties headquartered or otherwise operating through the Channel Islans, offshore France, also the Grand Caymans, and elsewhere....

Oh what a complex world of words and interests--beware when essentializing either.

1/04/2007 03:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The UMMO symbol looks an awful lot like the symbol for the constellation Pisces. I find this significant because of all the legends of spacefaring half-fish/half man archetypes throughout history: The Nommo of the Dogon tribe of Mauritania, EA/Oannes of Sumeria, Dagon of the Phillistines, the Nereids of Greece. All were the progeny of 'the gods' who came to Earth bearing gifts of culture.

1/04/2007 04:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cuttlefish noted, towards the end of the last thread:

"Why do you suppose the dark side would need to go to such lengths to maintain their power, if not out of fear of the awakening of the sleeping Gentle Giant?"

That's pretty much the same thing I was asking above, but my answer (perhaps too prosaic for RI) is still the same: blackmail. "Such lengths," while bewildering to most of us, are, let us admit, a bit more focused than, say, blowing up the Bologna train station. The wholesale slaughter of the innocents is a last desperate measure employed when (again, my assumption) there are too many politicos-journos around who aren't venal, who haven't been caught on film, and who are too willing to follow the zeitgeist.

When politicians start serving popular interests, the bombs go off. But (maybe I am being too charitable here) I don't think "they" like the bombs much. It's easier to run clandestine blackmail rings, and you do it through the surrogates of "secret societies," or odd-ball groups like The Finders, or through limited hang-out psychos like Doutreaux of Belgium. Sometimes it's just sex parties in D.C. hotel rooms, as per Craig Spence. I never read any Spence-ritual connections, although Larry King obviously has them.

But Cuttlefish is right: They don't want to relinquish power, they've constructed an elaborate netherworld of entrapment for those fools who want to serve as factotums in "their" imperium, and they are not so stupid or delusional as to pretend that if this stuff was found out, they would be lynched.

As for the poster above, I understand what you're saying, but must note that you yourself brought it back to drug money laundering, which is one aspect of financial control. My point, which I didn't make clear, is that all the vile accretions that we're accustomed to observing with such tongue-clucking wonderment are ALL the result of the subversion of democracy by monied interests. Not an original or earth-shattering point, of course, but one that I think needs polishing from time to time, lest we lose our bearings, confusing the trees for the forest.

But yes, there is no denying that movements allied with Catholicism, such as Action Francaise, are considered "of the right." What that means in practical terms is interesting: we have our own neoconservative Jacobins to contend with: nothing conservative or royalist about them, unless you take Leo Strauss's elitism as a transmogrified lust for monarchy. I see it, rather, as deeply anti-democratic, if not racist.

I've known a fair number of people in the corporate echelon. Not many, at least in the U.S., are cypto-Monarchists, or have any notion of royalist restauration. Greed finds its own, I suppose.

1/04/2007 05:00:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Doesn't this Ummo symbol )+( thing look a lot like the modern Catholic stole imprint? Weird synchronicities abound in this Dogon/Fishmen/RU Sirius archetype. Check out this stole from the catalogue--is this just coincidence, is there any such thing as coincidence? Now that I'm thinking of these things, I remember, vaguely, something weirdly fish-like about some prayer My grandma had me saying 40 years ago when she took me to these archaic all-night vigils in darkened cathedrals populated by leathery ancients who never failed to comment on how nice it was to find "fresh blood" for the Blue Army.

I was a member of that odd little pseudo-militant Marian outfit, although I don't remember any abuse-type stuff. Rituals, yes, blood, not really, other than tales of Padre Pio's stigmata. My dad wouldn't let them take me to Portugal for whatever it was they did to new recruits...

In related arenas, are you familiar with the following militant Catholic peaceniks? It's an organization calling itself Christus Rex et Redemptor Mundi, and it's got a very odd mix of anti-imperialist rhetoric like this:

- V.I.S., Città del Vaticano - 16 March 2003
POPE JOHN PAUL II: "THE WAR IS SATAN" - "The choice between Peace and War in the context of the current international situation is also the choice between Good and Evil which calls all Christians, now in the Lent Season, to reject Satan's temptations, the same way Jesus rejected them in the desert." - V.I.S., Città del Vaticano - 9 March 2003

The Holy Father makes it clear that YOU CANNOT BE a true follower of Our Lord Jesus Christ, IF YOU SUPPORT the imperialist war of aggression against the Iraqi nation, currently planned by the Satanic team in charge of the White House. How long is the American people going to tolerate Satan in the White House? Let's impeach Satan and his team! Let's free America and the world of Satan's control!

And great secular reporting like this:

Editorial - The Guardian: MILESTONE ON THE ROAD TO NOWHERE - 1 January 2007 (The comments here are also very good.)

And some very anti-semitic Rense stuff as well...Disturbing, overall.

Well, am I dreaming, or are there some unaccounted fishbones rattling around in dem catacombs?

1/04/2007 05:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It does not specifically appear in the text, but the )+( symbol reminds me of several figures in John Dee's Monas Hieroglyphica. There is another figure that looks like 3+ which represents some obscure alchemical process, where the work of the Elements combines two "Moons" or Lunar forces into the primary Solar force:
"Argent vive, which must be developed by the magistery of the Elements, possesses the power of the solar force through the unification of its two semicircles combined by a secret art."

That parse of the symbol (crescent, cross, crescent) corresponds to the Lazzaretti symbol:

Also, usually the sign for Mercury is )o+ but occasionally the sun is removed from the symbol like so: )+

Something as obscure as this, hard to know when you're chasing down a blind alley!

1/04/2007 06:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Saturn is rising and is sinister.

Saturn is the most important of the planets to astrologers. It is vile, ugly and evil in every respect. This is the planet that causes suffering, loss and misery; where we get our asses kicked in life. Right hand path astrologers, living a lie, try to soft soap Saturn. There is nothing in reality that is good about this malefic. In mythology, it is linked to Cronus/jehova. ..

The only sin is being stupid.

1/04/2007 06:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Brief History of Religious Sex

Goddesses of Pagan myth resources:

The religion of the Goddess, wherever it was practiced throughout history, has always been sex positive. The most famous of the ancient rituals is the Hieros Gamos, or Sacred marriage ritual. Records of this ceremony have been dated as far back as early Sumerian, about 5500 years ago. In this ritual the high priestess acting as avatar of The Goddess had sex with the ruler of the country to show the Goddess's acceptance him as ruler and caretaker of her people. Here is part of the ceremony as translated from an ancient Sumerian poem.

The High Priestess, acting for Inanna, is speaking to Dumuzi the new king.
My vulva, the horn,
The boat of Heaven,
Is full of eagerness like the young moon.
My untilled land lies fallow.
As for me, Inanna,
Who will plow my vulva?
Who will plow my high field?
Who will plow my wet ground?
As for me, the young woman,
Who will plow my vulva?
Who will station the ox there?
Who will plow my vulva?

The symbolism is, I hope, obvious to you. If you've ever looked at an anatomical picture of the female reproductive system, you may have noticed that the vagina is shaped like a horn, it curves upward and narrows towards the back.
On the male side, an old time plow (not the modern day tractor type) had a long, hard projection that pushed into the ground.
Dumuzi, the king replies:
Great Lady, the king will plow your vulva,
I, Dumuzi the King, will plow your vulva Inanna accepts him saying:
Then plow my vulva, man of my heart
Plow my vulva.

Then follows more details of the happenings
My eager impetuous caresser of the navel,
My caresser of the soft thighs;
He is the one my womb loves best,
My high priest is ready for the holy loins.
My lord Dumuzi is ready for the holy loins.
The plants and herbs in his field are ripe.
O Dumuzi, Your fullness is my delight.
The high priestess then directs things to be readied
Inanna called for the bed.
Let the bed that rejoices the heart be prepared
Let the bed that sweetens the loins be prepared
Let the bed of kingship be prepared!
Let the bed of queenship be prepared!
Let the royal bed be prepared!

This bed was set up in front of the entire congregation. The people watched the entire ritual including the sexual part.
He shaped my loins with his fair hands,
The shepherd Dumuzi filled my lap with cream and milk.
He stroked my pubic hair.
He watered my womb.
He laid his hands on my holy vulva,
He smoothed my black boat with cream,
He quickened my narrow boat with milk.
He caressed me on the bed.
The King went with lifted head to the holy loins.
He went with lifted head to the loins of Inanna
He went to the queen with lifted head.
He opened wide his arms to the holy priestess of heaven.
We rejoiced together.
He took his pleasure of me.
He laid me down on the fragrant honey-bed
My sweet love, lying by my heart,
Tongue-playing, one by one,
My fair Dumuzi did so fifty times.
Now, my sweet love is sated.

At the climax of the ceremony (or should I say, climaxes, fifty times, wow!) the populous would cheer and shout their approval and appreciation. This ritual brought prosperity to the people and to the land, so they were very happy to witness its successful completion.
A lot has been written since women's liberation about the performance anxiety men feel in our modern times. Performing sex in front of other people was not the stressful thing in ancient days as it is now. Sex was often done in religious ceremonies in groups--Orgies.
Nowadays the word orgy connotes something depraved and degenerate. That was not the original meaning for the word. The word "orgy" comes from the Greek word "orgia" meaning "secret worship". Since most secret worship involved sexual rituals, and Christians were opposed to anything sexual the word orgy came to have the debased meaning it has today, rather than the noble, spiritual meaning of the original word.
Many words that are used to describe extreme religious fervor are also used to describe great sex, such as passion, bliss, and ecstasy. There were many orgies throughout the year as celebrations in the religion of the Goddess. Many of these celebrations have been taken over by the Christians who removed their sexual nature. The best known is undoubtedly Christmas taken from the pagan festival of Saturnalia.
Saturn, from whom we get the word for the day of the week, Saturday, was the Roman name for the Greek God, Cronus and the Babylonian God, Ninip. Sometimes called the Lord of Death, he was represented by the sun at its lowest aspect at the winter solstice. That's when the earth is cold, and most plants are dead, and it was believed that the sun was approaching death. Today that's around December 21, but because of calendar changes, it was originally December 25th. Saturnalia celebrated the sun overcoming the power of winter, with hope of spring when life would be renewed. In Roman times, Bacchus, the god of wine, became the lord of these festivals. During the Bacchanalian festivals the everyday rules were turned topsy turvy. The masters waited on the servants. All sexual prohibitions were lifted. It was a time of true good will towards all men. Even dresses were exchanged with men dressing as women. Erotic dances were performed with a large erect phallus being carried around in the dancing processionals.
The custom of exchanging clothes during Saturnalia and Bacchanalia was an activity frowned upon by the Jews and Christians as it is prohibited by the Bible, Deuteronomy 22;5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment; for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy god" So much for Biblical transvestites.
However, the god Hermes in order to become a god of magic went into the temple of his consort Aphrodite where he wore a woman's robes and artificial breasts. In the temple he learned all the secrets of the Goddess Aphrodite which were exclusively taught to her female priestesses. The priests of the very masculine Greek hunk, Hercules, always wore female dress, probably in memory of Hercules service in female dress to the Queen Omphale. Zeus had sent Hercules to be a slave to the Queen for having killed a young man, Eurytus, after his father had insulted Hercules.
One of the most famous prophets and seers of ancient time, Teiresias, was a man who was changed into a woman and served in the temples as a priestess for seven years to gain the feminine powers of insight and divination. During this time as a woman he gave birth to a daughter before being turned back into a man. It was Teiresias who gave us the "scale of one to ten." Myth has it that Zeus and Hera once argued who had the most pleasure in sex. Zeus said it was the woman, while Hera asserted it was the man. They agreed that Teiresias should judge who was right. He did not hesitate to tell the God and Goddess, "Measured on the scale of pleasure, in the act of sex man has one measure to woman's nine." Hera became incensed by this, stating that judges, like referees in sporting events are all blind, and made Teiresias blind.
Anciently men's transvestism had its roots in the desire to attain female magic and powers and was common among the Pagan priests up to the time of St. Augustine who denounced the custom, saying that men who wore women's garments could never attain salvation, even if they were otherwise good Christians. So the good Catholics simply made the women's gowns into Priests robes. They looked the same, had the same function, but a "robe by any other name, does not a transvestite make."
Another favorite converted Pagan holiday is Valentines Day taken from the Lupricalia. The festivals of Lupricalia were noted for their wild, sensual dances in which sausages played a very important part. So important in fact that both dancing and sausages were outlawed by the Christian Emperors of the 4th and 5th century.
And, of course, May Day used to have great sexual frolics around that giant phallic symbol, the May pole. The May pole represented the Gods phallus in Mother Earth. People decorated it and danced around it. Kids still do today, even though they have no idea of its original meaning. The Christian church opposed May festivals because of its association with pagan gods. A 16th century English Puritan writer Philip Stubes, railed against May pole dancing. He said,
"What clipping, what culling, what kissing and bussing, what smooching and slobbering one of another, what filthy groping and unclean handling is not practiced in the dances." Stubes estimated, though how he got his statistics is unknown, probably from peeping through bushes, that not one girl in three retained her virginity after taking part in May pole rituals. After dancing around the Maypole celebrants would retire to the open fields where they would have sex with anyone and everyone in the plowed fields in order to insure the fertility of the land and prosperous yield of crops. May was a month of sexual freedom throughout rural Europe up to the 16th century. Marriage bonds were suspended for the month of May, commenced again in June - hence, June weddings.
All of these ancient rituals, these orgia, involved group sex and nudity. The hang ups and inhibitions that most people have about having sex in groups or in front of other people are largely the result of Biblical attitudes. Sex, was something to be done only in private behind locked doors, and only for procreation. Those restrictive ideas come to us from the Bible, in which nudity is condemned as soon as Adam and Eve ate the apple (or technically, the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil).
Also in Genesis we read the story of Noah getting drunk and lying around naked in his tent. His son Ham, the father of Canaan, came in and saw him and went out and told his two brothers about it. They came in and, walking backwards, covered him. When Noah woke up he knew what Ham had done and he said,
"Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren" So the father curses his son and his descendants--who are according to some biblical interpretations, especially those of Whitehead and many Mormon, and some nineteenth century christian writers, the blacks--to be servants to his white brothers just because Ham saw him naked. A little extreme, I'd say. And it doesn't matter that some interpret this differently, as one of the justifications for American slavery of blacks was this interpretation of the Bible.
Nudity is frowned on by the Judaeo-Christian god, but Greek Gods are usually depicted as nude in magnificently detailed statues. The god of the Bible is always portrayed with plenty of flowing robes on. What does he have to be ashamed of? Did they cut too much off when he was circumcised?
In pagan religion rituals, men and women had sex with their friends and neighbors. The Bible forbids such activities in no uncertain terms, Leviticus 20:10,
"And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death." Even today some states still cling to archaic Judaeo- Christian religious laws making adultery a crime.
In ancient times a priestess could be married or unmarried. She performed sexual purification rituals with all worthy men regardless of her marital status. In some cultures all women were required to serve in the temple. Herodotus, the father of history, writing about the Babylonians states,
"Babylonian custom compels every woman of the land once in her life to sit in the temple of love and have intercourse with some stranger. The men pass and make their choice. It matters not what be the sum of money; the woman will never refuse, for that were a sin, the money being by this act made sacred. After their intercourse she has made herself holy in the sight of the Goddess and goes away to her home." That is unless she decided to continue as a full time priestess. The man was not paying for sex, but rather making an offering to the Goddess for allowing him to participate in the sacred ritual.
One hundred and fifty years later, Quintus Curtius, the historian who accompanied Alexander the Great on his conquests, reported:
"There is none other more corrupt than this people, or none other more learned in the art of pleasure and voluptuaries. Fathers and mothers suffered their daughters to prostitute themselves to their guests for silver and husbands were not less indulgent with respect to their wives. The Babylonians plunged into drunkenness and all the disorders which follow it. The women appeared at the banquets with modesty at first, but they ended by abandoning their robes, then the rest of their garments one after another, disrobing themselves little by little of modesty until they were entirely naked. And these were not public women who abandoned themselves so; they were the most respectable matrons and their daughters."
In some cultures, as in Egypt, the upper class women were priestesses. Almost all of the Egyptian queens were High Priestesses of the Goddess, up until Cleopatra. She was the 369th in a line of which I am 537th High Priestess. Egyptologists who know how sexual the high priestesses were, just cannot believe that a queen would have sex with anyone other than her husband-- like the good Jewish Queens of the Bible. They seem to think that Cleopatra, who had sex with 100 Roman noblemen in one night was unusual. The fact is, all priestesses, queens or otherwise had sex with thousands of men.
In ancient cultures with matriarch religions, sex was considered something ennobling and uplifting. Sex could take you closer to the Gods rather than alienate you from god.
An example of this come from one of the oldest stories in existence, the Gilgamesh Epic. Some place the Epic by tradition around 5,000 years before the current era. The story tells of many heroic adventures of Gilgamesh who is part human and part god. One particular story tells that the gods placed a wild man, Enkidu, in the wilderness area and required Gilgamesh to capture and tame him. Gilgamesh is told of this wild man by a shepherd who has seen him. Rather than run out with spears, arrows and nets, Gilgamesh sends a priestess of the Goddess to the watering place of the wild man. She takes off her clothes, exposing her charms. The wild man, finding her much more appealing than his animal friends, has sex with her for 6 days and 7 nights and is won from his wild life. He is calmly led by the priestess back to the city, to civilization.
This story dramatizes the ennobling, civilizing benefits of sex. Sex is portrayed as a force for good. Contrast that with the Biblical version of the first sex activities. Adam and Eve were living in Paradise without sex. They disobeyed their god's order not to eat fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It is only after they eat of the fruit of knowledge that they become aware of their genitals and sex. As a result they are caste out of paradise, out of the presence of their god, into a cold, cruel, uncultivated world--where sex is evil.
In the Goddess religion sex brings one to civilization and the goddess, in the Judaeo-Christian religion sex drives one into the wilderness away from their god.
In Judaism, the sins of the individual are put on some animal which is ritualistically killed by the a priest, or sent as a scapegoat into the wilderness. In Christianity, the sins are put on the dead god Jesus, whom they believe died for all men's sins, past, present and future. (So since your sins are already all taken care of, why not enjoy yourself?) In the religion of the Goddess, the priestess takes upon herself the sins and transgressions of the man in the ritual of negation. In the Egyptian language the word, Negation, pronounced negation but obviously spelled differently in hieroglyphics, meant Semen or the essence of man. The word modernly means to cancel or wipe out, to make negative. You may wonder how it got from one language to the next with such a drastic change in meaning. That is because in the ritual of negation, a man ejaculates, or leaves his negation, his semen inside the twat of the priestess, as a symbol that he is willing to give up his all in order to have his sins wiped out. The term negation came to be applied to the whole ritual or wiping out ceremony. Gradually through the centuries, the semen, and religious connection got lost and only the wiping out part remained. The priestess literally takes upon herself the transgressions of the man, she intercedes on man's behalf with the Goddess, so that he can be purified. She is his guide in this life to bring him to the hereafter.
There have been some Christian sects through the centuries that have selectively interpreted passages of the Bible to allow them to indulge in sexual activity typically forbidden by their god. The Aegopy had open, free love when christianity first began. Other "heretical" sects in early Christianity, such as the Brothers and Sisters of the Free Spirit, were killed off by good christians about 600 years ago. A heresy is anything which the Catholic Church does not agree with. America has had several religious groups which practiced open sex. The Oneida Company of New York, which makes beautiful silver work was originally run by one such religious group. John Humphrey Noyes preached what became known as his "perfectionist" doctrine which required its members to lover one another--and make love to one another.
Another sect which was established about the same time was the Brotherhood of the New Life. It was started by Tom Harris who taught that people had a duty to love each other, not just spiritual brotherly love, but also physical love with many partners.
Most people know the Mormons practiced polygamy in the 1800's. But the Mormons also had secret sexual practices in which women were shared among the inner circle of male leaders in the early days of the church. John Law, one of the ruling three men of the Mormon Church, second only to Joseph Smith, had his printing press destroyed by angry church leaders when he threatened to publish accounts of the men who had had sex with his wife. This is emphatically denied today by Mormon leaders, but Mormons leaders also denied that they were practicing polygamy until polygamy became the "New and Everlasting Covenant of Celestial Marriage". Sex with several women became the "order" as long as you were married to them; and there appears to have be no limit put on the number of wives. The Mormons correctly pointed out that this practice was common among patriarchs of the Bible--Abraham, Israel, King David and Solomon, to name a few. Unfortunately Mormon women were never given the same freedom of having sex with other men as were the priestess wives of David and Solomon, and other patriarch.
This right of the priestess, to have sex with any man she desired, appears to have been originally taught by the founder of Mormonism, Joseph Smith, but was rejected by his wife, Emma, who also rejected polygamy. Why bother to twist and select passages from the Bible to allow sex in religion when there already exists the religion of the Goddess with its emphasis on spiritual sex?
Each of these modern religions gave up their attempt at spiritual sexuality, due to pressure from Judaeo-Christian religions. Sex is no longer just a religious issue, it is a political issue. From the mayors and councilmen of cities, legislators and governor, to the President, the politics of sex demands an outward profession of the Judaeo-Christian ethics. A politician is required to parade his wife, children, church attendance and sexual fidelity before the public as a sign of his character. In this land of the free where there is supposedly freedom of religion, we are slaves to Judaeo/Christian traditions which promote a male patriarchal order as "family values".
The sexuality of the Goddess has been feared by men from their beginning and Her sexuality is feared today. Christian fundamentalists are in dread of a sex-positive religion which will have a greater appeal then their sex-negative, ascetic doctrines. Christians fear the haunting shadows of their forgotten ancestors--those ancients who worshipped the pagan goddess and the Goddess in Her temples and groves--who still bring up images of hidden memories of her priestesses in their subconscious who speak a truth which Christians openly deny. Christians fear the obvious, that after 2000 years their dead god has not returned and the twilight of christianity has arrived--that long awaited time when the "Lady of the New Dawn" would arrive.

FEAR NOT says KALI to us all.

1/04/2007 06:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are all going to die.

The question is will it be on your knees or on your feet?

Kali is a ferocious form of the Divine Mother, who sent her Shakti, the Mother Gauri, to free the gods from the dominion of the demonic forces Shumbh and Nishumbh, who had conquered the 3 worlds of earth, the astral plane and the celestial plane.

Kali is the goddess of time and of the transformation that is death (Kala). Lord Shiva and Mother Gauri in their destructive form are known as Mahakala and Mahakali or Kali.

Kali is the Kundalini energy that paralyses the attachments produced by the solar and lunar currents (both demons mentioned above). This attachment causes fear of death. In the ignorant ones she creates fear, while for others Kali removes the avidya (ignorance) that makes us fear death, the basic insecurity of the First Chakra , a fear rooted in the brain stem or primitive brain.

The Hindu goddess Kali is the first of the ten Mahavidyas - the others are Tara, Shodashi, Bhuvaneshwari, Bhairavi, Chinnamasta and Dhumavati, Matangi, Kamala and Bagla Mukhi. Therefore Kali is also known as Adya, the firstborn.


1/04/2007 06:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 6:33, I disagree that Saturn is pure evil. It's only like 99% evil.

I have an afflicted Saturn in my own chart. The lessons of Saturn are important. (I hate learning them, though.)

1/04/2007 07:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Various alchemists on Saturn:

The first coagulation of argent vive is in the mine of saturn

The substance which we first take in hand, is a mineral similar to Mercury, which a crude sulphur does bake in the Earth; and is called Saturn's Child, which indeed appears vile to sight, but is glorious within

Of his own nature Saturn speaks thus: the other six have cast me our as their examiner. They have thrust me forth from them and from a spiritual place. They have also added a corruptible body as a place of abode, so that I may be what they neither are nor desire to become. My six brothers are spiritual, and thence it ensues that so often as I am put in the fire they penetrate my body and, together with me, perish in the fire, Sol and Luna excepted...

1/04/2007 07:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Iridescent Cuttlefish said...

Why do you suppose the dark side would need to go to such lengths to maintain their power, if not out of fear of the awakening of the sleeping Gentle Giant?

Like these sleeping Gentile Giants?

From the link:

In the geriatric ward of Pennsylvania's Laurel Highlands Prison, the floors are squeaky clean linoleum. The walls are painted in dull pastels. Dozens of inmates in hospital gowns line the hallways in wheelchairs, doing absolutely nothing.

Almost half of these men are sex offenders. They were once simply "dirty old men." Now, sex offenders in their 60s, 70s and 80s -- like the men here -- are a growing problem in the nation's prisons. Experts say it's the only crime that offenders are more likely to repeat with age. The result has been an explosion in the number of elderly men behind bars.

Did the big, bad, fascist, monarchical, gladioesque freaks force these dajils to molest and rape in their sleep?

Come on. This sick shit is not specific to one class of human. It applies to all, including the sleeping Gentle Giants.

Heaven help the children, what with old men living longing and the baby boom generation coming of that age.

What wonderful mortar with which to build that carbohydrate house.

1/04/2007 08:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zaharoff-Killah says:

Wow. Excellent comments. A pleasant break from the last post's comments.

Anywho, I JUST finished reading Vallee's Revelations. The Fontaine story, of which I first read about here, intrigued me, especially the phrase "General Synthesis," perhaps synonymous with fabrication, fraud, as the Fontaine hoax was. I like how Prevost tried to cash in on it with the Haurrio hoax, but was left hanging in the breeze.

As for the )+( symbol, as the person who linked to pointed out, its a Russian Cyrillic letter and it also astrologically symbolizes Uranus. I don't think Vallee noted that.

However, as I'm looking at it, I'm thinking of another connection Vallee may have missed. This goes back to the Vescica Piscis, the fish symbol. What is the Vescica Piscis, but ) + ( ?

As we all know, symbols can have any meaning you assign them. In the Invisibles, which I read, King Mob describes the Vescica Piscis as symbolizing the intersection of Universe A and Universe B into the reality we experience. One Universe is perfect, the other is evil and corrupt. Philip K. Dick created a gnostic mythos around this for VALIS, as did Morrison for the Invisibles.

It's all the same thing. We live in an intersection of two meta-universes; one is trying to get away from the other, and perhaps save us in the process.

Getting back to Vallee's Revelations, specifically regarding UMMO, apparently, it inspired a French physicist, a Jean-Pierre Petit to rethink his cosmology and publish something called:

"Enantiomorphic Universes with Opposite Proper Times" and "Universes Interacting with Their Image in the Mirror of Time."

On page 126, Vallee describes Petit's theories as a "concept of twin universes that are mirror images of each other, an idea that originated with Andrei Sakharov," and that they both exerted mutual influence on each other.

I doubt the idea originated with Sakharov, although he may have reformulated it. Or maybe these the twin universes thing is a reformulation of the Vescica Piscis picked up on by Dick, Morrison, and other savvy trickster types.

Does anyone know how far back the twin universes thing goes?

Also, Jeff would do well to reference the Borges story Vallee quotes, about how a rich American aristocrat introduces a new belief-system with an UMMO-like hoax. It predates UMMO. But perhaps the hoaxers are being used by other entities to catalyze evolutionary revelations. Ah . . . the Hall of Mirrors.

Also, what's all this about the Queen? Don't you guys know; her power's only SYMBOLIC . . . SYMBOLIC . . . SYMBOLIC.

: )

Has any of you noticed that standard knee-jerk reaction to any mention of royal perfidy? How else is a monarch to survive in an age of oligarch disguised as democracy? Pay no attention to the untold billions she and her other cohorts control. Remember, they rules us with MYTHS.


1/04/2007 08:05:00 PM  
Blogger Real History Lisa said...

Heads up - United airlines pilots and crew saw a UFO at Chicago O'Hare airport today. The government calls it weather phenomena, of course.

CBS story on O'Hare UFO.

1/04/2007 08:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


That symbol on the vestment is the "IHS," a monogram of the name of Jesus Christ. It does look similar, which presumably was by design, if the Ummo symbol at the top of Jeff's montage was created, as is most likely, by ex-OSS Catholics-in-good-standing like William Casey.

If you're interested: "From the third century the names of our Saviour are sometimes shortened, particularly in Christian inscriptions (IH and XP, for Jesus and Christus). In the next century the "sigla" (chi-rho) occurs not only as an abbreviation but also as a symbol. From the beginning, however, in Christian inscriptions the nomina sacra, or names of Jesus Christ, were shortened by contraction, thus IC and XC or IHS and XPS for Iesous Christos. These Greek monograms continued to be used in Latin during the Middle Ages. Eventually the right meaning was lost, and erroneous interpretation of IHS led to the faulty orthography "Jhesus". In Latin the learned abbreviation IHC rarely occurs after the Carlovingian era. The mongram became more popular after the twelfth century when St. Bernard insisted much on devotion to the Holy Name of Jesus, and the fourteenth, when the founder of the Jesuati, Blessed John Colombini (d. 1367), usually wore it on his breast. Towards the close of the Middle Ages IHS became a symbol, quite like the chi-rho in the Constantinian period. Sometimes above the H appears a cross and underneath three nails, while the whole figure is surrounded by rays. IHS became the accepted iconographical characteristic of St. Vincent Ferrer (d. 1419) and of St. Bernardine of Siena (d. 1444). The latter holy missionary, at the end of his sermons, was wont to exhibit this monogram devoutly to his audience, for which some blamed him; he was even called before Martin V. St. Ignatius of Loyola adopted the monogram in his seal as general of the Society of Jesus (1541), and thus it became the emblem of his institute." (CE)

So you see, even "IC" has been used as a name substitute. Perhaps somewhere in your subconch?

I never heard of the group you describe, but when they start in on satan in the 3rd sentence you gotta duck. The Church itself almost never speaks in those terms; that sounds more like the "seer" of Bayside, or some other schismatic group.

There are a surprisingly large number of schismatic Catholics, post Vatican 2: the "Old Catholics," the tradcats, and all issuance of minicults and private devotionalists. Some are frankly sedevacantist, believing the "see" of Peter is vacant since Vatican 2, and the last 5 or so popes have been frauds, if not worse. Some of that was tied in, again, probably by design, with heavy-duty anti-communism, as was Fatima.

I dipped into that world myself in the 90s, the Malachi Martin branch, and was for a time a Marian devotee. I prayed the rosary, yes, and had some quirky things happen, one of which (believe it or not) involved a manatee. Someday I'll confess.

Padre Pio is no one to take lightly. He is a very powerful Saint, and he will answer your prayers in rather surprising ways. He does not appreciate "importuno," but he has a sly sense of humor.

(Whoa, dude, did Oarwell mean that?)

I never got caught up with the Blue Army. I'm weak on authority, regimentation, and public prayer: in general I reject it. My own private passion for several years was Stefano Gobbi, of the Marian Movement of Priests. His "locutions" from the BVM were put into book form, "To the Priests," which was distributed free to any who asked. Writings like his are very beautiful, but demand a high degree of skepticism, along with humility. I am reluctant to dismiss such things out of hand, just as I am reluctant to think DNA is just a jumble of purines and pyridines, or the human brain just a neurochemical yoghurt.

I even saw the miracle of the sun, similar to the Fatima event, and described by thousands of others at Marian apparition sites around the world. I was not on pilgrimage. I saw it in my car, in upstate New York, on a plain-vanilla winter's day, driving to work. And I mean IN MY CAR (how do you make html italics, BTW?). The sun that I had glanced up at at a red light was suddenly a silver disc, with like little saw teeth, spinning inside my Honda. Stone sober, like I said, driving to work. I watched it, and remember thinking "that's impossible, but there it is." I even looked around outside, back at the red light, and back to the silver spinning sun. Still there. Finally the light changed, the sun went back to its normal place in the sky, I drove to work.


From this perspective, I find fascinating the centuries-long struggle between "modernism," as outlined in the eye-opening encyclical "Pascendi" promulgated by Pius X in 1910, and the forces of secular globalism, a sort of sheep's cloth worn by the wolf of elite finance. The Catholic kings were got rid of, and now the nation-state, too, that mute tailor's-dummy upon which was draped the cloth of Liberty, is to be whacked. When a disgraced, weakened, bankrupt US is subsumed into the NA union, and we all have wallets full of Ameros, we'll be one step closer to that Brave Neu Mundum.

As for Brin: it's ego-war, y'know. Ego vs. those who see the beauty of abandoning the ego.
After your first go-around with him, I Wiki'd him up, ran across his paean to the surveillance society, and sat there rubbing my eyes in amazement: if possible, that kind of reasoning is more bizarre than spinning silver suns! The more of his crap I read, the sicker I felt.

1/04/2007 08:08:00 PM  
Blogger Real History Lisa said...

Oops - they saw it last fall. I only saw the news report on TV today, just now.

1/04/2007 08:10:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

I have never found it in Jung's writing per se but it is reported by others that he was part of a ritual that took place underground and celebrated at the base of an 18 foot (give or take) penis.

1/04/2007 08:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oarwell wrote: "I never got caught up with the Blue Army. I'm weak on authority, regimentation, and public prayer: in general I reject it."

Might as well toss in the


Opus Dei groups into this I guess--for what it might spark in comments. Self-tortures, etc., fanatical. Supreme Court Justice Scalia is very close to many of Opus Dei--and may be one himself.

For a short summary of critiques of the Opus Dei, sounds very much like any other MKULTRA highly monitored cult. Opus Dei as the "Catholic program MKULTRA cult" then? A sort of hyper Jesuit group:

Critics say that Opus Dei is either a "cult", or at least "cult-like". They state that Opus Dei is "intensely secretive"— for example, members generally do not publically disclose their affiliation with Opus Dei, and under the 1950 constitution, members were expressly forbidden to reveal themselves without the permission of their superiors.[13] This practice has led to rampant speculation about who may be a member.[13] Opus Dei has been accused of deceptive and aggressive recruitment practices such as showering potential members with intense praise ("Love bombing"),[74] instructing numeraries to form friendships and attend social gatherings explicitly for recruiting purposes,[54] and even requiring regular written reports from its members about those friends who are potential recruits.[75] Most of all, critics allege that the group maintains an extremely high degree of control over its members— numeraries generally submit their incoming and outgoing mail to their superiors to read,[76] and members are forbidden to read certain books without permission from their superiors.[76] Critics charge that Opus Dei pressures numeraries to sever contact with non-members, including their own families.[74] Critics have also claimed self-mortification is a "startling" and "questionable" practice— one which borders on masochism.[77]

Escrivá himself has also been a source of criticism. His opponents point out that Escrivá's personal mortification practices were even more extreme than the those typically performed by Opus Dei numeraries— in one incident, Escrivá flailed himself over a thousand times.[78][79] Opponents likewise criticize Escrivá's maxim on suffering: "Loved be pain. Sanctified be pain. Glorified be pain!" [62][80] Critics assert that Escrivá and the organization supported the Fascist governments [well, "monarchical Bourbon protective dictatorship" instead of fascist] of Francisco Franco[81] [since he was against secular communism and fascism] and Augusto Pinochet,[82] and it has even been alleged that Escrivá expressed sympathy for Adolf Hitler. [83] One former Opus Dei priest who has become a vocal Opus Dei critic even contends that Escrivá once remarked that Hitler had been "badly treated" by the world and he further declared that "Hitler couldn't have been such a bad person. He couldn't have killed six million [Jews]. It couldn't have been more than four million."[84][85][86] (see Opus Dei and politics)

Concerning the group's role in the Catholic Church, critics have argued that Opus Dei's unique status as a personal prelature gives it too much independence, making it essentially a "church within a church".[87] Some critics claim that Opus Dei exerts a disproportionately large influence within the Catholic Church itself, citing for example the unusually rapid canonization of Escrivá, which some considered to be irregular..[88] Lastly, Opus Dei, as a part of the Roman Catholic Church, also shares any criticisms of Catholicism in general— for example, some criticize the fact that female members of Opus Dei cannot become priests or prelates.[89]

Oarwell wrote:

ex-OSS Catholics-in-good-standing like William Casey.

...who was Knight of Malta as well. A whole other right wing Catholic group, that, from the personnel, even got mad at Kennedy and was a major Catholic network for offing their disliked (leftie) Catholic President of the United States. [this is the wild and wierd Vatican Assassins book, from a severely right wing Protestantism view of the history]


the Jesuits. Gotta throw them in as well. The founder of the Jesuits actually got mixed up in the Alumbrados in Spain ("Illuminated/Illuminati") back in his early life:

The Society of Jesus (Latin: Societas Iesu (S.J.)) is a Christian religious order of the Catholic Church in direct service to the Pope. Its members, known as Jesuits since the Protestant Reformation, have been called "Soldiers of Christ", first, and "Foot soldiers of the Pope", second, in part because the Society's founder, Saint Ignatius of Loyola, was a soldier before he became a priest. Today, Jesuits number 20,170 (with 14,147 priests), and comprise the largest religious order of men in the Catholic Church (the Franciscan family of OFM's, Capuchins, and Conventuals has approximately 31,899 members, of whom 20,786 are priests, however the "family" consists of multiple orders). Jesuit priests and brothers are engaged in ministries in 112 nations on six continents. Their works are focused on education and intellectual contributions, primarily at colleges and universities, as well as missionary work and ministry in human rights and social justice.

The Society of Jesus is consecrated under the patronage of Madonna Della Strada, a title of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and is led by a Superior General, currently Peter Hans Kolvenbach. The General Curia of the Society is headquartered in Rome. Its historic complex of buildings includes the Church of the Gesu, the Jesuit Mother Church.

On Loyola, there is that intriguing Navarre locus for his exploits:

Iñigo was born at the castle of Loyola near Azpeitia, 16 miles southwest of Donostia/San Sebastian in the Basque province of Guipúzcoa, Spain. [Pyrenees once more..] The youngest of 13 children, Ignatius was only seven years old when his mother died.

In 1506, Íñigo became a page in the service of a relative, Juan Velázquez de Cuéllar, treasurer (contador mayor) of the kingdom of Castile.

In 1517, Íñigo took service in the army, defending the small town of Pamplona against the recently expelled (1512) Navarrese monarchy, who took refuge in Basse-Navarre, a part of Navarre that did not surrender to Spanish army and is an actual part of France.

Highly outnumbered, the Spaniards wanted to surrender, but Ignatius persuaded them to fight on. One leg wounded, the other broken by a cannonball, Ignatius was returned to his castle by the Navarrese.


During this period of recuperation, Ignatius read a number of religious texts on the life of Jesus and the saints and became fired with an ambition to lead a life of self-denying labor and emulate the heroic deeds of Francis of Assisi and other great monastic leaders. He resolved to devote himself to the conversion of non-Christians in the Holy Land. He later changed his name from Íñigo to Ignacio (Ignatius) in honor of St. Ignatius of Antioch. Upon recovery, he visited the Benedictine monastery of Montserrat (March 25, 1522), where he hung his military vestments before an image of the Virgin. He then went and spent several months in a cave near the town of Manresa, Catalonia where he practiced the most rigorous asceticism.

The months of privation and solitude were said to have brought visions of the Virgin Mary and she then became the object of his chivalrous devotion in which military imagery played a prominent part.

Sounds like esoteric Templarism (surface loyalty, subsurface infiltration and intentional makeovers of Catholicism) once more:

On August 15, 1534, he and the other six in St. Mary's Church, Montmartre, founded the Society of Jesus - "to enter upon hospital and missionary work in Jerusalem, or to go without questioning wherever the pope might direct". In 1537 they travelled to Italy to seek papal approval for their order. Pope Paul III confirmed the order through the bull Regimini militantis (September 27, 1540), but limited the number of its members to sixty. This limitation was [cannily] removed through the bull Injunctum nobis on March 14, 1543. [only after they started to break it anyway beforehand.]

Hardly surprising that Wikifront 'neglects' to mention WHY Ignatius was called to the Roman Inquisition, even though it does mention it.

Before Ignatius became the 'digit of God' for the Pope: Ignatius was playing around with the Spanish Alumbrados/Illuminati of the 1500s. Whole Jesuits thing to me reeks of a double agent "Templarist project, Part Two".

Particularly interesting were how many high powered Jesuits were the confessors of most royalty throughout the European Christian world--nice information for delivering to the Black Pope, which increasingly dominated the whole Papacy from the Jesuits invention in the 1530s. Any light shed on this parapolitical context would be appreciated.


Then you got people like ("Christian Protestant born again escapee from the radical secularist Illuminati") Svali and on the other end of the ideological spectrum (Jesuit) Malachi Martin saying the same thing as in Spain mentioned in Jeff's post--sacrificial rituals 'deep' in the hierarchy of the current Papacy Svali says she experienced them as a child:

Title: Once In The Bowels Of The Vatican And Illuminati, Svali speaks of Illuminati double life
2006.01.19 03:08

Description: A RARE INTERVIEW, and it went out over the radio. "Svali" (pen name) was a programmer in San Diego for the Illuminati. She was from a rich family completely in the Illuminati, raised in it from birth. She got out 10 years ago, at age 38, and they left her penniless and had the State take her childen back--for the Illuminati. However, now, she is now 48 years old, a nurse with her own life, regained custody of her children who are 'out' as well, and helps ritual abuse victims. Svali represents in many ways a success story in escaping occult sexual ritual abuse cults--in her mental solidity and her personality security. She has written a book that doctors attempting to treat ex-Illuminati or ritual abuse people have declared "invaluable" for its insights on how to help someone--since she was a regional programmer herself.

Below is an interesting feel for her double life--and the double life her children are born into so they know nothing else--in the timeline she wrote up and gave the interviewer.

NOTE THEY MEET ON A SECURE MILITARY BASE AFTER MIDNIGHT, just waved in like all the others in the darkness of early morning. They put on uniforms that represent different hierarchies, speak German and English as lingua franca, chit chat, drink coffee, and then get to work on programming people or "tuning up" leaders already in power.

Some are rewarded in comfort sessions afterwards like her example of a military leader being given a "tune up" and then a comfort session with a young child to play with because he's a pedophile.

They build people's alters/split personalities from birth to suit the Order's cult atmosphere and desires for airtight secrecy (all are multiples), and keep heavy documentation on just what they do to each other to make them all the more controllable.

Oarwell wrote once more:

From this perspective, I find fascinating the centuries-long struggle between "modernism," as outlined in the eye-opening encyclical "Pascendi" promulgated by Pius X in 1910, and the forces of secular globalism, a sort of sheep's cloth worn by the wolf of elite finance. The Catholic kings were got rid of, and now the nation-state, too, that mute tailor's-dummy upon which was draped the cloth of Liberty, is to be whacked.

Yep. I'd pretty much agree with that assessment--with the caveat that that mentioned future is one group's goal since 1776, though hardly everyone elite (or obviously grass roots) want that.

1/04/2007 09:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Her Hand of Her Highness

The hand of glory was linked to witches during the witch-hunt period. There are two noted incidences. One, in 1588, of two German women, Nichel and Bessers, that were accused of witchcraft and exhuming corpses. They admitted poisoning helpless people after lighting the hands of glory to immobilize them. John Fian, after being severely tortured during his witch trial in Scotland in 1590, confessed to using a hand of glory to break into a church where he performed a ceremony to the devil.

The term the "hand of glory" is believed to be derived from the French "main de glorie" or "mandrogore" and be related to the legends of the mandrake.


Umma and the men in black

The had a triangular symbol seen on their large black sedans.

The are usually seen driving black mint-condition late model luxury cars such as Cadillacs or Lincolns. Their cars often operate with the headlights off, but ghostly purple or greenish glows illuminate the interior. Unusual insignia have been seen emblazoned on the doors and the license plates are always unidentifiable or untraceable.

Many have reported seeing these vehicles after a reported UFO sighting, ET abduction, or crop circle finding.

Some people believe the MIB are government agents. Some people believe that are extraterrestrials.

There have been reports of MIBs following people around in black helicopters.

The first reported occurrence of Men in Black was allegedly Albert K. Bender, the editor of a flying saucer publication called the Space Review.

In the October 1953 issue he placed an announcement stating that he had come across information that would solve the flying saucer mystery but could not print it because he was ordered not to. He ended the announcement warning others in UFO research to be very cautious.

He then stopped publication. Later in an interview Bender stated that three men wearing dark suits had ordered him to stop publishing UFO material, and that he had complied with the order because he had been "scared to death" of them. He later published a book called Flying Saucers and the Three Men in Black.

In his book, The UFO Silencers, Timothy Beckley has attempted to provide an overview of important and representative MIB encounters. According to Beckley, MIB have been with us for many hundreds of years, speculating that such diverse characters from the history of witchcraft and folklore as the Elizabethan Black Men, the Native American Black Man and late nineteenth century reports of malevolent traveling salesmen, might have been manifestations of what we now know as Men in Black.

According to John Keel, the MIB often state that they are representatives of the Nation of the Third Eye.

George Hunt Williamson (an early MIB contactee) in his book Other Tongues, Other Flesh, states that secret societies allied with Sirius use the Eye of Horus as an insignia. This symbol has also been seen on the MIB. The secret societies believe that there is a Great White Lodge on earth. They call it Shamballa -- and consider it to be the spiritual center of the world. Theosophists such as Alice Bailey say that the Great White Lodge is on Sirius.

This is confirmed by Stephen Jenkins, author of the book The Undiscovered Country, who was told by Buddhist priests that Shamballa was located in the constellation of Orion. If the All-Seeing-Eye is a symbol of Sirius' earth-allies and the MIB wear that symbol, and if Shambhala represents the Great White Lodge on Earth - then the MIB are emissaries of Shamballa. The entrance to Shambhala on Earth is usually placed in the trans-Himalayan region. Some assert it is in the heart of the Gobi Desert (where there have been allegations of crashed disks and bases).

According to the explorer Nicholas Roerich, there are caves in the Himalayan foothills that have subterranean passages. In one of the these passages, there is a stone door that has never been opened, because the time for its opening has not yet arrived.

2007 maybe?

1/04/2007 09:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Historically, many cultures have attached special significance to Sirius.
Sirius was worshipped as Sothis in the valley of the Nile long before Rome was founded.

The Middle Kingdom of Egyptians based their calendar on the heliacal rising of Sirius, which occurred just before the annual flooding of the Nile and the Summer solstice.
In Greek mythology, Orion's dog became Sirius. The Greeks also associated Sirius with the heat of summer: they called it Σείριος Seirios, often translated "the scorcher."

In the astrology of the Middle Ages, Sirius was a Behenian fixed star, associated with beryl and juniper. Its kabbalistic symbol was listed by Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa.

Based on changes in its proper motion, in 1844 Friedrich Wilhelm Bessel deduced that Sirius had a hidden companion. Nearly two decades later in 1862 Alvan Graham Clark discovered the faint companion, which is called Sirius B, or affectionately "the Pup". The visible star is now sometimes known as Sirius A.

At a distance of 2.6 pc or 8.6 light years, Sirius is one of the nearest stars to Earth.

1/04/2007 10:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When the commentators aren't preoccupied with throwing handfuls of their shit at each other, the Comments section of this blog is almost as wonderful as Jeff's posts.

Happy New Year.

1/04/2007 10:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


The infinity sign, for example, is alternatively written as either OO or ¥. The first version signifies completeness, being composed of a male, solar, right-handed, clockwise circle matched with a female, lunar, left-handed, counterclockwise circle. The figure eight on its side used to mean sexual union and the sense of perfection (two becoming one). “Since neither circle lies above the other as in the figure eight, the infinity sign implies equality between male and female powers, leading to intimate knowledge of ‘the infinite’.”

This same sign can then be modified ever so slightly by joining and overlapping the circles to form the Vesica Pisces -- a female yoni or vulva; the feminine creative force or the Mother-spirit that gave birth to the world and the gods. Known also as the “vessel of the fish” (based on women’s sexual secretions smelling like fish), it became the symbol of Jesus Christ (the birth of a son of the god). “In pre-patriarchal philosophy the general explanation for sexual activity was that spiritual nourishment for males was inherent in the act of ‘plugging in’ to this female power, resulting not only in a moment or two of godlike bliss, but also in an essential contact with the mysterious magic inside a woman’s body that could actually produce new life.”

All of the above two paragraphs -- and a great deal more -- can be gleamed from the sign of two circles horizontally joined. This includes the indefinable nature of the infinity sign in Sacred Mathematics and Connective Physics. What is fascinating is the fact that so much can be conveyed -- albeit with variations in interpretation -- with such simplicity.

This simplicity -- and its variations -- have been taken somewhat to the extreme by the appearance of the Vesica Pisces on bumper stickers. Initially, this symbol of Christian belief began appearing on cars in the 1980s. But then by the end of that decade, entrepreneurs began adding legs along with the word, "Darwin" on the interior of the two circle arcs. This quickly conjured up something quite different from the original use (in bumper stickers) as an indicator of any Christian leanings on the part of the driver. By adding a third leg, and inserting "evolve" in lieu of "Darwin", several owners went one step further. A few even added a wrench, suggesting the fish as a tool wielder. Or an udder for a Hindu fish. There are even sharks with "lawyer" written inside -- the latter an example of obvious redundancy.

These witnesses for evolution were promptly countered by the original purveyors of the fish bumper sticker craze by their inserting the word "Jesus" or his Greek equivalent in the place of "Darwin" or any of the other possibilities (which included everything from "lutefish" to "sushi" to "n' chips"). Then there evolved (pardon the pun) the "truth" glyph consuming a smaller "Darwin" glyph -- a more assertive pronouncement in the Vesica Pisces Bumper Sticker Wars. Or more aggressively, a Darwin fish upside down, and to all extents dead as a mackerel. On yet another tangent, we can start all over with just a small blip on top of the symbol (making the symbol look faintly like a UFO) -- with Alien written in the interior.

Also some metioned Jung in an earlier post who said our mind communicates with the subconcious through symbology.

Nice posting Jeff and all the rest.

1/04/2007 10:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bill "Mojo" Hicks asked:

"Did the big, bad, fascist, monarchical, gladioesque freaks force these dajils to molest and rape in their sleep?

Come on. This sick shit is not specific to one class of human. It applies to all, including the sleeping Gentle Giants."

Yeah, sure, but your point? The argument was made that the elites DO have something to hide, and they know it best be kept hidden. The masses, much maligned and in the best sort of sense not even a real phenomenon, would react in anger if they knew the truth about elite machinations.

The fact that everyone is a hypocrite, and that there are amongst the common rabble criminals, doesn't change the reality that the ilites are not just criminal, but programatically criminal. The very stuff from which flows their power to misrule, to rob and exploit and order off to useless but profitable wars, jail innocents and make illegal that which is the natural right of the people, is criminality.

People, by and large, are capable of making good choices. Not all do, but most could, and would, if they lived in a healthy society. But when they are constantly lied to by their "leaders," and when those who hold power must conduct the most vile forms of blackmail, murder, and terror to maintain their rule, that's a ... it's a problem, Bill.

And that's why we're here having this little talk.

It is here that I will station my ox.

1/04/2007 10:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cryptogon throws down the gauntlet:

"I’ll wait for Jeff’s comments on this one.

Via: CNN:

The FBI’s file on former Chief Justice William Rehnquist — made public more than a year after his death — offers insight into hallucinations and other symptoms of withdrawal that Rehnquist suffered when he was taken off a prescription painkiller in 1981.

A doctor was cited as saying that Rehnquist, an associate justice of the Supreme Court at the time, tried to escape the hospital in his pajamas and imagined that the CIA was plotting against him."

His PJs! Now THAT is a scene worthy of Kubrick.

1/04/2007 10:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry about being a Blog Hog, but Joe Bageant has a lapidary piece up on CounterPunch:

"Who wants to read that, when entertainment of every imaginable sort, sparkles in the great hologram of our national illusion-delusion, right there for the plucking? For that matter, who can pull themselves away from such brilliant distraction? Not me. The only way to beat it is to leave it. Get outside the hologram."

You tell 'em, JB. The only way to win the game is not to play it.

It's a damn good rant, but my, he treads on perilous ground:

"Simple action is available. Non-action really. If a quarter of Americans did not pay their bills for one month the hologram would come crashing down. The government would either come crawling on its knees, or expose itself for the police state it really is."

Now, weren't we just talking about that?

1/04/2007 11:02:00 PM  
Blogger brainpanhandler said...

I've been reading rigint for a year or so. Initially I was thoroughly entertained by Jeff's subtle, pithy writing and his skeptical but nonetheless broad ranging discernment and imagination. Am I the only one who suspects that either Jeff's cognitive abilities have markedly declined recently or someone else is ghost writing his entries?

1/05/2007 04:21:00 AM  
Blogger brainpanhandler said...

I have been reading rigint for a year or so. I was originally attracted to Jeff's pithy, subtle writing style and his skeptical, but nonetheless broad ranging discernment. The Demon Was an Idea does not display Jeff's talents. The whole post is discumbobulated and fractured. Either Jeff's cognitive abilities have recently declined (unlikely) or he is not able to spend the time to clean up his posts (also highly unlikely) or Jeff ain't writing this crap. Something's missing...

1/05/2007 04:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Jeff,

This article is so much clearer than the previous one. Thanks. And look at all the insightful comments it has generated.

1/05/2007 08:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a spiderweb it all is. That symbol is the exact same one on the UFO craft that Jimi Hendrix saw.

And Alex Constantine swears that Jimi was offed by some big bad secret Men in Black.

The link above is to the image of the UFO with the symbol.

And "The Demon was an Idea". That's great stuff Jeff.

Glad to see you guys have finally, I hope, stopped throwing 20,000 word long insults at each other.

You make it so easy for them.

Wonder why that UFO showed up on November 7th? Election Day? Chicago?
And just now being reported?

Stop throwing insults and start thinking.

Bye bye

1/05/2007 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm confused about the timing in this. I didn't think the UMMO stuff started until well after 1952. In any event,there are almost certainly intelligence games involved. Oarwell has it just about right in my view. Thought this excerpt from another UMMO article might be interesting:

Trinidad Pastrana, an occultist from Madrid, revealed herself as having played the role of the mysterious "Marisol," who served as a mediator between the aliens from the supposed planet UMMO and their human contacts. According to Pastrana, she had made use of the telephone to transmit many of the alleged alien communications, and took advantage of trips abroad by friends or relatives to deposit letters with Ummite messages in the postal services of foreign countries, leading UMMO followers to believe that there was indeed a worldwide network (conveniently headquartered in remote Australia) of alien "visitors" combing our planet as part of their reconnaissance activities. But most shocking of all was Pastrana's admission that the messages had all been dictated to her by none other than Jose Luis Jordan Pena, whom she had met during a radio program on paranormal phenomena and who had later hypnotized her, subjecting her to sexual abuse.

Mercedes Carrasco, the second "UMMO messenger", claimed to have met Jordan Pena in the early Seventies at a meeting of the Center for Paranormal Studies and agreed to undergo hypnosis, first in the presence of witnesses and later alone. She alleged that the parapsychologist later took to writing her letters "masquerading as an Indian guru" and telling her that "in another lifetime" Jordan had been an abusive military man who was guilty of committing excesses, and that she had been a domineering woman who had kept him enslaved. In order to balance the "karmic debt," she would have to endure a sadomasochistic relationship with him.
-------end quote------------------

It's actually quite coincidental you posted this as I am now researching Andrija Puharich, and the parallels are striking, even down to the "Indian Guru", but obviously the hypnosis.

1/05/2007 09:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the Borges story mentioned above is "Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius", which can be read at:

Borges is my favorite author.

1/05/2007 09:58:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Thanks, I knew you'd know. My time in the cult of Mary did occur shortly after Vatican II, there was a lot of surreptitious Latin, but I was very young--too young to even choose. How many High Masses can a kid sit through without leaving his body back in the pew?

Mojo Person,
What is your beef? The sleeping giant, as I explained, is the awakening self-consciousness of the collective mind of man. Why do you ridicule the idea of transformation, either in the case of hydrocarbon/carbohydrate economies and all that this would entail, in terms of climate change, ecological disaster, social stratification, etc, or in the great transcending of the nature which is not our true nature but rather an exploitable construct, a yoke that's been forced upon us? If you're against this, then you're for the status quo--is that what you're saying, or is it the typical it'll-never-happen pessimism of Richard and Shrub? What are you saying here?

1/05/2007 10:23:00 AM  
Blogger ELFIS said...

It's been so long since I read Vallee's REVELATIONS ... I'd forgotten the UMMO underworld / mutilation connections.

I was aware of the Hendrix connection but am still fuzzy on the details.

Back in 2001 or so I posted an article I'd received about "The Bolivian Daughters of UMMO".

I've been suspicious about this article from the beginning as the images seem hoaxed to me. The UMMO symbols are more stylized and in some of the pictures they seem to have been obviously "photoshopped".

Also, the timing of receiving this article was synchronistic as my then girlfriend (a birder) was about to visit Bolivia (or perhaps she was there when I got this - I don't recall right now).

When she returned she told me about seeing a local there who had a t-shirt with Homer Simpson (or was it Bart) on it, however, the Simpson character had big almond shaped, slanted "alien" eyes.


1/05/2007 10:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anon above: thanks for the Jimi/Globe in Transit link. The full website is at

and certainly appears to have an entertaining thesis.

I would vote, as well, that the UMMO logo on the "UFO" is photoshopped. The perspective seems off, for one thing, not to mention the clarity. I don't believe in UFOs, only spinning silver discs in my car (insert squinting Col. Kilgore emoticon). But I like the opening quote:

"...or is music the inarticulate Speech of the angels on earth? Or the voice of the Undiscovered bringing great truths to the birth?"

Is music the inarticulate speech of the angels? Damn straight! And snowflakes (as per Jeff's Snow Day electron micrograph) are the stone masonry of the faerie folk.

(I, too, contemplated the snowflake photo for several days)

1/05/2007 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oarwell & Cuttlefish,

That mojo of 8:00 p.m. is no mojo, O bhikku.
That mojo is a mofo.

Nor is it Bill Hicks. Bill Hicks is in Heaven, made mute by Hendrix' hot licks (on the guitar).

How else can I put it? This conversation was over on the previous thread.

The Walrus was Paul. You are continuing to converse with a shape-shifting shill who is not I.

Not eye.


Natty dread.

Think you're in Heaven but you're living in hell.

So sorry, bhikkus, I have to answer the call of the meditation bell.

Or, my friendly fakirs, perhaps it is the adhan of the muezzin?


1/05/2007 11:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Meditation bells should be rung loudly and often.

1/05/2007 11:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just not too or too often, or they will interfere with one's meditation.

1/05/2007 12:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just not too loudly or too often, or they might interfere with one's meditation.

1/05/2007 12:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just not too often....

....or too loudly

1/05/2007 12:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From above:

"Based on changes in its proper motion, in 1844 Friedrich Wilhelm Bessel deduced that Sirius had a hidden companion. Nearly two decades later in 1862 Alvan Graham Clark discovered the faint companion, which is called Sirius B, or affectionately "the Pup". The visible star is now sometimes known as Sirius A. At a distance of 2.6 pc or 8.6 light years, Sirius is one of the nearest stars to Earth."

Then how did the Dogon know about it for thousands of years? Let me tell you: the answer is what most of the people on this blog hate to believe has always been real about the history of this little Planet E of ours: we're either from somewhere else, or a genetic experiment laboratory for offworlders, or both:

The Sirius Mystery: New Scientific Evidence of Alien Contact 5,000 Years Ago by Robert Temple, from one review at the link there:

For the "uninitiated", Robert Temple trigers his research by starting from the FACT that a tribe called Dogon in Africa happens to have knowledge about the Sirius star system they are not supposed to have i.e that Sirius A is "hiding" in its orbit a Sirius B and possibly a Sirius C (recently confirmed much to the dismay of the fanatical opposition Temple was met with, very unsurprisingly), or that Sirius B is a "heavy star" i.e a very dense star.

Now, when this knowledge by the Dogon was revealed to the western world (through the work of 2 French anthropologists) many of the things claimed by the ancient tradition of the Dogon were not known by western astronomers.

In fact, only years later it became evident for western "science" (the same science that used to think the earth was flat, and the same "science" that only 300 years ago disputed that theere is blood circulation in the human body-!!!!- among many other such "scientific" facts) that the Dogon beliefs were solid.

Before I go on, i would like to laugh out loud at the ultragullible folk who think the Dogon took this knowledge from western expeditioners as Carl Sagan ridiculously suggested. I mean, what's the scenario here people? Western expeditioners show up to the Dogon and the first thing they decide to brainwash them with is stories about the Sirius star system which they themselves did NOT have? I mean, are some of you that irrational? And how does it go on according to you then? That the Dogon lost no time in constructing a religion out of something so abstract i.e a star they could NOT see from stories some white people told them that they couldnt possibly prove???? Nice one, but i've heard better jokes, and frankly, this is hardly a laughing matter, it's actually bitter how some will cling to hardly proven theories about our origins no matter how sad their outtake is...

But on to the book and excuse me for the above parenthetical argument but i simply couldnt resist it.

What Temple is forced to do after he presents us with what the Dogon know, is to backtrack.

He has to do this because there is indeed more than enough evidence that such bizzare references (as the Dogon's) are to be found in other ancient cultures as well, namely the Sumerians, Egyptians and the Greeks.

His "hunch" proves to be very revealing as Temple searches through these ancient cultures because he does actually highlight not a few but a plethora of such references, symbolisms and -mostly- myths that contribute to his argument.

Did i say myths? Whoa. Touchy little subject those myths. Those who consider themselves serious studiers of all theories concerning our tortured origin must've discovered by now that mythology is nothing else than a brilliantly devised method the ancients used to preserve knowledge. Whoa again, because knowledge does include history and in the absence of books the ancients basically coded history into mythology. Is Temple the only one who has uncovered this mega-fact? Not even close.

The author then, needs to trouble us with a lengthy diatribe where he delves into ancient mythology and he focuses for that matter in the medditteranean basin. That's a seriously difficult part of the book to get through. You will be bombarded with dozens of ancient gods, dozens of ancient myth comparisons, massive amounts of etymology, and a fair share of speculations and conclusions. The reward if you stay with the book is tremendous.

Temple doesnt pull his conclusions out of thin air no matter how "outworldly" these conclusions might be to some. His work is spectacularly researched and supported, and yes, he actually pulls the evidence for the support he needs from mainstream science. His massive bibliography is there to see.

The issue remains whether, at the end, you are ready to entertain the notion that the origin of our civilisation is indeed extraterrestrial, or, to be more to the point here, whether Temple convinces with his arguments.

Allow me to say, that it will take a lot more than Temple's book to be convinced about that, if that is actually the truth. Let's not forget that he's not the first researcher that makes such claims or draws such conclusions.

In my opinion, and knowing that our "mainstream" science doesnt exactly have a history of excellence when it comes to its field record, i would suggest that each theory forwarded by any researcher, no matter how "wild" it might be, is given the appropriate attention.

Has Temple been disproven? Hardly. Actually, recent discoveries by our brilliant scientists have only confirmed parts of his theory.

I'm not saying that I, for one, am 100% convinced by what Temple suggests. I'm not unconvinced either, indeed I think that he does a stunning job of laying out his theory and his arguments, and to quote an Arab philosopher "i believe in very little but i disbelieve in even less".

That is the reason i give this book 4 stars. Based solely on the convcincingness factor of the author's way of argumentation which i found pretty damn strong.

This book, as other books of that "line" as well, can or should be used as pieces to a puzzle, a puzzle which we do not know what it looks like and where it will finally (if we ever solve it) take us.

If the truth interests us, if it honestly does, then hysteric rants against any theories that threaten our sacred dogmas have no place in searching for any origin, ours, or the universe's...

"The Sirius mystery" is a difficult book, but a very compelling, a very impressive one at that. Until the theory contained in it is disproven hold the noise of the rants down. And read it...Read it actually through.


and another:

The subject of the book is incredibly fascinating: most of us are used to seek the lost knowledge cases in civilizations like ancient Egypt, or Olmecs, or Maya; here we face a situation when an african tribe may possess the knowledge of a high value that is linked closely to the achievements of modern astronomy. That is rather a key point of the whole book - the Dogon who seem to know too much - about the things they can not know anything about, and their legends that tell us about their ancestors that came from another world.

As in many other cases, the main advantage of The Sirius Mystery is its thought-provoking power, its ability to mobilize and activate a reader's imagination and logical thinking.

The beliefs of the Dogon may be slightly confusing, the way they got their sacred knowledge about Sirius may be the one the author suggests, or may be different - it does not matter too much: there seem to be a knowledge anomaly happened in Africa, and we would better find out what caused it, since solving this more or less recent puzzle may help us with investigating the ancient mysteries, such as locating and building the Egyptian pyramids, the Chinese ones, or mysteries of technological achievements of the ancient Middle East.

The past of the Dogons may be linked to the ancient Egypt, or to any other ancient civilization of this planet, and the author's conclusions about the paleocontact may be not so convincing to some, the other thing, however, once again is more important: there is a place for mysteries like this, and by no means should we discard any of them, saying "it can not be, because it can never be", and the Dogon mystery should be given a careful and complete study.

Those who are still non-believers would better address the issues, for example, of the 14th century maps of Antarctica, or astronomical knowledge of ancient Egypt or Mesoamerica, or anything else: the world is full of the lost or mysterical knowledge cases, and some of them are supporetd by a hard evidence.

In short, the book is a must-read for anyone paying a serious attention to the problems of history, civilizations' development and the lost knowledge we are trying to find.

1/05/2007 12:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


What is your beef?

No beef. I'm a vegetarian.

The sleeping giant, as I explained, is the awakening self-consciousness of the collective mind of man.

I don't believe that's the context in which Oarwell used it in this thread, but I'm sure you and him can adroitly rationalize that it was.

Why do you ridicule the idea of transformation, either in the case of hydrocarbon/carbohydrate economies and all that this would entail, in terms of climate change, ecological disaster, social stratification, etc, or in the great transcending of the nature which is not our true nature but rather an exploitable construct, a yoke that's been forced upon us?

I don't ridicule the idea itself, which is quite noble and idealistic, but rather I ridicule the logistics. How does free energy and hemp underpants keep these dirty old men from fucking their grandchildren, or the retards from slinging shit at their caretakers whilst their big shot brothers rub shoulders with the vacuous jet set in Hollywood? You have to admit, that's just ripe for ridicule.

If you're against this, then you're for the status quo

You keep this line of logic up and Sounder's going to spank your bare bodkin.

--is that what you're saying, or is it the typical it'll-never-happen pessimism of Richard and Shrub? What are you saying here?

Until Man repents and receives the illumination of the Lord, there can be no transformation. In otherwords, until humanity collectively establishes a genuine relationship with our most forgiving benefactor, the carbs are going to have to wait.

God be with ye

1/05/2007 01:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Astrologer Bill Herbst has an interesting psychological essay on Saturn:

1/05/2007 01:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You keep this line of logic up and Sounder's going to spank your bare bodkin."

Ah, the Brits and their fetishes.

1/05/2007 01:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to Oarwell and the anon poster, i'd add the legionaries of christ (and their lay affiliate, regnum christi) to the list of opus dei/jesuit types. these ultra-right wing (at least within the cloister) neo-jesuits, as they are known, recently had their founder disciplined by B16 for sex crimes committed in the 60s, as i'm sure you both know. what many don't is the millions he has spent on the mausoleum he has had built for himself or the cult of personality he maintains within legionary compounds. when i sojourned with the order back in '97, his picture was in every refectory alongside the Virgin's and the holy father's. a personal friend of escriva, maciel carefully modeled regnum christi after opus dei, writing (in his closely-guarded but much-cherished letters) that the spanish clerico-fascism of franco's type was the only thing that would save mother church.

former members of the order congregate online at places like, off-limits to non ex-members; a decent expose of the founder (before his disgrace) can be found in berry and renner's book, "vows of silence".

1/05/2007 01:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know I shouldn't weigh in here, but I must reply to "brainpanhandler": If Jeff isn't writing these posts, then someone else is always sitting at his desk in the middle of the night who looks remarkably like him.


- signed, Jeff's wife, aka "Mrs. Jeff"

1/05/2007 01:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I understand, Mrs. Jeff. I can't pull Mr. Mojo away from his desk.

God bless you my dear. You have a good man there.

1/05/2007 02:05:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff Wells said...

Thanks honey. (I mean, if that's really you.)

1/05/2007 02:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to Buddha's Chocolate swirlie:

Until Man repents and receives the illumination of the Lord, there can be no transformation.

Yes, Amen. Praise Cheese Whiz and pass the collection plate and ammunition.

Al rato vato

1/05/2007 02:20:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Buddha is a dancing dervish,

I'm all for repentance and the realignment of the Great Wheel, but what has that to do with the type of oil in our engines or the shape of our houses? Look, the swindle that was perpetrated in the '30s, which is meticulously documented & analyzed in that piece by the good Dr. West that I've linked here so many bloody times and which continues to this day, was not something that mankind voted on, approved, allowed or was even aware of. What is the karmic debt you see in the schemes of the overlords; how does it rest on the shoulders of the ignorant proles?

Yes, these "new" directions I keep blathering about are all simple, noble causes which would heal Gaia and her filthy catatonic offspring. What's more, they're not waiting for some technological innovation--we could implement these changes right now. Some folks already are, at least in terms of building their hobbit holes, getting off the grid and forming communities with their flesh & blood neighbors. Some scientist-types are actually dusting off William Hale and George Washington Carver's notes, while others are expanding that hidden science in their own native, mostly German, tongues.

So what has this to do with your penal/penile colony of penned-up patient/perverts? In order to get proposition H.R. 3037 passed, we first have to make amends for the system that was imposed upon us by the DuPont/Bush Axis? Is there some dervishistic logic I'm not quite getting here? When you free a slave, do you start by chastising him for being a slave, 'cuz it's obviously all his fault? Are those elites, eugenicists, Nazis and world-stranglers all just projections of our fragile egg-shell minds?

I'll go along with the proposition that we reinforce evil by dwelling on it too long, Tolkien's gazing at the flaming eye syndrome, but does this mean that Dr. West hallucinated or invented all those machinations which landed us in this boat? And all the sources at the bottom of Chris Floyd and Jules Archer's Bonus Army page--these were projected by us into the veins of the power maven-mannikins, too? Please rip those scales from my eyes so I can tell the nearest McWorker how to drive the stake through his own heart instead of the overseer's.

1/05/2007 02:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey, that anon 2:20 comment is me

pardon my ego and clumsy figers...

1/05/2007 02:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Breaking News:

France probes 'cannibalism' case
A French prosecutor says he suspects an act of cannibalism was carried out on a prisoner by a cellmate in the northern city of Rouen.
Cannibalism was "very likely", the prosecutor said after an autopsy showed that some organ parts were missing.

The suspected killer claimed he had eaten the victim's heart.

The prosecutor, quoted by the AFP news agency, said some muscle had been removed from the victim's rib cage and part of one lung was missing.

But the heart remained intact, the prosecutor said.

The suspected killer and another prisoner were sharing the cell with the victim when the attack happened on Wednesday, French TF1 television reported.

All three were awaiting trial accused of sexual crimes, the TF1 website said.

The suspected killer, aged 35, is believed to have beaten up the victim, 31, and then suffocated him with a plastic bag.

1/05/2007 02:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"B is a dd" @ 1:20 is the Richard/Shrub troll.
So is Mrs. Mojo won't go.

Get a life, bug.
Or at least your own name.
You are pathetic,
like the worm satan you extoll.

Bismillah ar Rahman ar Raheem
al Hamdulillahi Rabb il 'alaymeen
ar Rahman ar Rahim
Maliki yaum ideen
Iyyaka na' budu wa iyyaka nasta'een
Ihdinaat sirat al mustaqeem
Sirat al adhina an 'amta 'alayheem
Ghayril maghdubi 'alayheem
wa laadaaleen


1/05/2007 03:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was rather obvious from the lack of style, weak rhetoric and grammatical mistakes that the second b is a dd was not the same as the first.

Someone's got it in for you, mojo ibn hicks. (And quit taking the bait, IC!)

This place is becoming a nuthouse...

1/05/2007 04:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's obvious that Spermageddon is the Shrubb/Jon?Richard troll trying to use reverse psychology on the naive and gullible.

Don't trust him/her/it/them.

1/05/2007 04:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Jebuss, Mud and Jonses on a pogo stick. Are you sure?

I just wonder who are the orderlies and who are the inmates (not to mention the Dr.'s and Nurses). Since we all pretend to wear white I can't tell the difference between a labcoat and a straigthjackets.

Can you?

Whatever. I'm going to go look for Nurse ratchet, I'm late for my meds...

1/05/2007 05:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An anonymous poster wrote:

"In Greek mythology, Orion's dog became Sirius. The Greeks also associated Sirius with the heat of summer: they called it Σείριος Seirios, often translated "the scorcher."

The etymology for Seirios is interesting, because it closesly resembles the name the Hebrews used for half man/half goat demons - the Seirim. It is these entities that the rabbis would send their 'sin offerings' to by laying their hands over the head of the animal then setting it free to roam outside the edges of their desert camp.

It's also interesting given that Sirius became associated with Orion's dog (Orion being roughly equivalent to the 'mighty hunter' Nimrod and Osiris), that the Arabs happen to consider dogs to be unclean animals. Not making the judgement myself, mind you, just speaking to the culture.

This also would explain the prevalent use of dogs during the Abu Ghraib ritual abuse sessions. Something tells me the Temple of Set whackos in military intelligence had a field day practicing their occult rituals on captive Iraqis.

1/05/2007 05:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Please rip those scales from my eyes so I can tell the nearest McWorker how to drive the stake through his own heart instead of the overseer's."

Cuttlefish's frustration is that of Stephen Colbert's, highlighting Morton Kondracke's conjecture that

"President Bush bit off a bigger piece of the Middle East than the American people were willing to chew."

How's that for sleight-of-hand? Elite rapacity gives us a world of polluting hydrocarbons and war upon war upon war, but whose fault is it?

Never theirs, not according to their presslings, lapdogs, lickspittles, and sycophants.

1/05/2007 05:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

said above:

"As for the poster above, I understand what you're saying, but must note that you yourself brought it back to drug money laundering, which is one aspect of financial control. My point, which I didn't make clear, is that all the vile accretions that we're accustomed to observing with such tongue-clucking wonderment are ALL the result of the subversion of democracy by monied interests. Not an original or earth-shattering point, of course, but one that I think needs polishing from time to time, lest we lose our bearings, confusing the trees for the forest."

No. I don't subscribe to that. Certainly a part of subversion, though hardly all. If everything were reductible to money, then all we would see is money. This is just that econonomic reductionism once more.

Money is just one variable. Nothing more, nothing less. Such materialist historiographic viewpoints have really hindered what the hell has been going on worldwide for the past 250 years or so as forms of (inbred) synarchy expand (with a whole lot else--I don't want to reduce what is going on to synarchy either.).

It's a form of modernist monomania to attempt to see other variables as just proxy for your favorite one.

What's so difficult about juggling multiple independent variables in your mind at once? (more a rhetorical question, without an answer required.)

I dislike hypothetical arguments, though perhaps this might expand this further: even under perfect monetary equality for everyone, can you conceive there would still be groups that would utilize other aspects of human socialization to create "ins" and "outs"?

Hint: it's easier to conceptualize multiple separate overlaps of some variables in the same networks and people, than to pretend that money or power is locused in the person or thing (instead of the relationships generated, a more nebulous and unstable thing), or that they are unable to stand for several things at once.

As I said above:

Oh what a complex world of words and interests--beware when essentializing either.


and to 'jon,' thanks for this:

to Oarwell and the anon poster, i'd add the legionaries of christ (and their lay affiliate, regnum Christi) to the list of opus dei/jesuit types....a personal friend of escriva, maciel carefully modeled regnum Christi after opus dei, writing (in his closely-guarded but much-cherished letters) that the Spanish clerico-fascism of Franco’s type was the only thing that would save mother church.

Taking what you write as true (without looking into it much myself yet), I'd never heard of Legionaries of Christ and lay affiliate Regnum Christi, though the claim of an

[1] Escriva link and
[2] the martial quality, and
[3] the pro-monarchist Bourbon protector (Franco) being taken as Marciel's model is interesting because it of course all circles back to the same kind of story of an element of 'warrior theocratic monk bloodline' viewpoints in some (not all) right wing Catholic quarters.

Thanks for pointing them out.

Looking into them for the first time, I get to the Del Rios—The Del Rio person is who took over the Legion of Christ in 2006 as Marciel stepped down under pedophile scandals.

And the Del Rios cycles back to some of the previous strategic parapolitical stories I mentioned earlier. They were involved in a previous post: involved in the whole internationalization of the battle between Hanoverian/Prussian monarchists (allied to Illuminati)’ secret societies versus Stuart/French/Bourbon monarchist allied secret societies, and how with the Napoleonic-British Wars through 1815, the British cam to sponsor various outré Spanish groups to destroy the expanded Spanish-Napoleonic merged Empire, some with substitutionary monarchs against the (then) combined Spanish/Napoleonic Empire (like Iturbide in Mexico--where you get quickly to the Del Rio family--current family in charge of Legion of Christ). A bit south, the Bolivars were sponsored by the Brits as well, in South American ‘independence revolutions’—though Bolivar wanted the closest version of a continental monarchy under himself as he could get (without having direct children of his own; and the British idea of 'independene revolution' was just to divide up the solid Spainish/Napoleonic Empire competitor for their own British infiltraiton and dominance financially, which is the story of South America in the later 1800s).

British aligned Mexican 'monarchist' aligned Del Rios, currently in charge of the Legion of Christ, seem to be in the thick of this British vs. Napoleonic/Spanish Empire contention, only a bit north of Bolivar’s equally British sponsorship in the same Spanish-Napoleonic empire.

Later Mexican Del Rios even 'internal to the Spanish Empire' areas, worked against letting equal British supported Bolivar set up his Gran Colombia in South America, since Del Rios ‘funded into existence’ Equador’s rebellion against Bolivar.

The (hardly) ironic point here is that the Del Rios were equally monarchist though though for different families without alignment to Bolivar--even though both had British Empire links.

So among similar bloodlines, it is fascinating how important is the current head of Legion of Christ after the forced step down of its founder/leader.

Read on, and how much it demonstrates that kind of 'unseen continuity' that has been the theme of several posts recently as the so called ‘age of revolution’ expanded as carried on the royal robes of internal familial dynamics and infighting for New World territory, as each sponsored revolutions against each other’s backsides starting with the Hanoverian-Stuart contention for Britain, which expaned Masonry throughout Europe, then the ongoing British-Napoleonic Wars period which was Hanoverian/Prussian/Illunimati vs. the same Napoleonic/Bourbon/Stuart groups now on an even wider stage taking in the territory of the Spanish Empire worldwide.

Meet the Martinez del Rio Family, equally Monarchist, though Opposed Bolivarian monarchist designed attempts to dominate all of South America; Del Rio family 'funded Equador' into existence to break up Bolivar's Gran Colombia! Del Rio still very powerful in Mexican right wing monarchist branches. (Yes, Virginia, there is a native Monarchy of Mexico: Iturbide--and the Del Rios married into it, and the Del Rios actually were part of the troupe who decades later invited the Hapsburgs into Mexico, via Maximillian I, in the run up to the U.S. Civil War just north of all that.)

First, back to the core point of this post on the Legion of Christ--so you can see how this gets into the Del Rios, as pseudo-monastic warriors very monarchist and hierarchical. Almost predictably Del Rios leadership of them in 2006 can be traced back to their direct ancestor El Cid! El Cid (c.1040 – Valencia, died 10 July 1099), known as El Cid Campeador, was a Castilian nobleman, then military and political leader who conquered and governed the city of Valencia. Rodrigo Díaz was educated in the royal court of Castile and became the alférez, or chief general, of Alfonso VI, fighting against the Moors in the early Reconquista. Later exiled by the king, El Cid left service in Castile and worked as a mercenary for other rulers, both Muslim and Christian. His direct descendant is in the Del Rios, who are over a similar Legion of Christ right now.

First the lay organization of Legion of Christ:

Regnum Christi is an international lay ecclesial movement associated with the Legion of Christ, founded by Fr. Marcial Maciel. Regnum Christi is a movement of lay Roman Catholics who are dedicated to promoting the Catholic faith. Their motto is "Love Christ, Serve People, Build the Church". Regnum Christi is criticized for the conservative political views of its members and the strict demands it places upon them.

Its parent organization, moving inward to the clerical administrators, is the Legion of Christ is a Catholic religious congregation established in 1941 in Mexico by Fr. Marcial Maciel.

One should note that the Templars had just such a graded level form of high monastic elites and lay servitors. Plus sa change in the Legion of Christ, a potential "Templar project, part three??" (“part two” being I would conjecture with 75% assurance right now, as Ignatius de Loyola’s sponsored Templar Project Part two, back in the 1530s--the Jesuits. Legion of Christ seems to have the same overall graded monastic administration with a 'outside grade' of lay ‘helpmate’ (which can be secret in Jesuits and Legion of Christ and Opus Dei nowadays, unlike more open in Templar era), all with a reputation for high 'cell based' secrecy.

(A Jesuit founded the Illuminati, Weishaupt. He used the Jesuit structural organization for when he set up his branch offering, the Illuminati--the radical secular wing of perhaps the same groups of people, who disliked the bloodline groups goals as being hegemonic, though like them wanted total power. the Illuminati core families at one period might have been the servitor banker wing of these more bloodline esoteric bloodline Christian groups. At least according to Svali, that's what she was taught about them, when she was involved:

Svali: "Weishaupt did not create the Illuminati, they chose him as a figurehead and told him what to write about. The financiers, dating back to the bankers during the times of the Templar Knights who financed the early kings in Europe, created the Illuminati. Weishaupt was their "go fer", who did their bidding."

On to the Legion of Christ, one of many very inbred monarchical right wing Catholic graded induction organizations that appear in Europe from 1188 (splits of disagreement in Templarist groups, if you believe the whole Priory of Zion story, I'm still withholding judgement on it as of yet), into the 1530s (Jesuits, hypothesis when the banker/bloodlines were admixed it seems), toward the 1700s (when they seem to have split up with some in the Illuminati banker secularists global revolutionary movement, and others increasingly split off turning into inbred monarchical right wing Catholicism (Escriva's Opus Dei, Marciel's Legion of Christ--which may be (if that story is true) connected to Priory of Zion issues, or the Priory might be a specific family's bloodline protection organization, or it may just be a useful hoax, etc.) [The Sion Documents]

However, we do know that the Legion of Christ enjoyed the favor of Pope John Paul II, possibly in part because of its flexibility in facing contemporary challenges and reputation for sound teaching. It is currently one of the Church's fastest-growing congregations, with a presence in 20 countries, and over 650 priests and 2,500 seminarians, besides the 65,000 members of the Regnum Christi, its lay movement. Critics cite recruitment from their schools of children identified as having vocations to the priesthood and aggressive fundraising required of its priests as two reasons for such rapid growth, particularly in Latin Countries. It also operates several schools in North America as well as in Mexico and other Latin American countries.

This was right after the 1970s "Papal High Noon Showdown" when different groups were openly killing off their factions global papal candidates [described with aplomb in the book _The Washington-Vatican-Moscow Alliance, by Arvo Manhattan. A right wing (perhaps inbred monarchist) group increasingly, working with Reagan, moves against the USSR, whereas the other popes were leftist pro-USSR (yes, tis true, even dressing up in "worker pope" outfits, you have to see it to believe it in our right wing hierarchical elitist era that is so different, pictures in the book mentioned above).

With Escriva in Europe, the Legion of Christ seems to be a geographically sited Latin American recruitment version despite its internationalism, and inspired off Escriva as well.

Fr. Marcial Maciel was born on March 10, 1920 into a devout Catholic family living in a fiercely-anticlerical Mexico.

As background, the history of Mexico is really tragic for 130 years, external manipulations from everywhere. Mexico has been the "most open, festering sore" in the Americas between the global radical secularists and the global radical monarchist Catholics, an alteratively ‘hot and cold war’ that has been going on worldwide for around 250 years as European imperialism expanded; another great book if you can find it, _Puzzling Neighbors_ recounts the secret society issues and infighting on only the secular side in Mexico; it leaves out however that by the turn of the 20th century, there were secret societies on the Catholic side as well, like the Knights of Columbus, mentioned in some of Charles Highams's books on Nazi infiltration of the USA and Mexico during WWII. ["The Order of the Knights of Columbus is the world's largest Catholic fraternal service organization. Founded in the United States in 1882, it is named in honor of Christopher Columbus[1] and dedicated to the principles of Charity, Unity, Fraternity, and Patriotism. There are more than 1.7 million members in 14,000 councils, with nearly 200 councils on college campuses. Membership is limited to practical Catholic men aged 18 or older.[2]

Councils have been chartered in the United States, Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, Central America, the Philippines, Guam, Saipan, and most recently in Poland. The Knights' official junior organization, the Columbian Squires, has over 5,000 Circles. All the Order's ceremonials and business meetings are restricted to members."...The primary motivation for the Order was to be a mutual benefit society. As a parish priest in an immigrant community, McGivney saw what could happen to a family when the breadwinner died and wanted to provide insurance to care for the widows and orphans left behind. He himself had to temporarily leave his seminary studies to care for his family when his father died.[4] In the late 19th century, Catholics were regularly excluded from labor unions and other organizations that provided social services. In addition, Catholics were either barred from many of the popular fraternal organizations, or, as in the case of Freemasonry, forbidden from joining by the Catholic Church itself. McGivney wished to provide them an alternative.] As an aside for this Mexican issue: guess where Catholic secret society Knights of Columbus was HQ’d. Surprise! New Haven, Connecticut, home of Yale University. "On February 2, 1882, while an assistant pastor at Saint Mary's Church in New Haven, Connecticut, McGivney founded the Knights of Columbus with a small group of parishioners." Knights of Colubus were right wing pro-Catholic secret society networks in civil wars in Mexico in the early 20th century against other secret society driven things on the secular side.] A bit later the same dynamic continues:

On June 19, 1936, Maciel—a young seminarian at the time [of expanding secular fascism and secular communism]--felt called to establish a new religious order, and in 1941, with the support of the bishop of Cuernavaca, Bishop Francisco González Arias, he founded the Legion of Christ. [This is similar to Franco’s Bourbonism-monarchism as opposed to both as well.]

What is interesting is who was connected to Maciel in Mexico: Fr. Maciel was ordained to the priesthood by Bishop González Arias in the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe, Mexico City on November 26, 1944, after which he continued to build up the Legion and its lay companion, Regnum Christi.

Arias family has been Knights of the Golden Fleece in the late 1800s--very monarchist Catholic organization making them most assuredly a 'bloodline protection' family-organization admix for some wing of the esoteric ‘Grail’ (for lack of another term) Catholic families--like the (current) Hapbsburg.

Céleo Arias was President of Honduras (1872 - 1876).

"Arias" is additionally the proud middle name of another monarchist-Catholic Carlist José Arias Teijeiro, named as undersecretary of justice under "the Pretender"--Rafael Maroto Yserns (October 15, 1783 — August 25, 1853), the Spanish general known both for his involvement in royalist civil war causes--in Spanish imperial side in the wars of independence in South America and on Carlist side in the First Carlist War, a 'civil war' in Spain itself from 1833 to 1839 between two different royal lines for the throne. (At the beginning of the 18th century, King Philip V of Spain promulgated the Salic Law, which declared illegal the inheritance of the Spanish crown by women. His purpose was to thwart the Habsburgs' regaining the throne by way of the female dynastic line. Most of Spanish history in the 1800s was the infighting of different royalist aligned groups for the state.)

Maroto (who appoints Carlist Catholic monarchist Jose Arias Teijeiro as his right hand man in Spain) appears in South Ameica, fighting against the (monarchist) goals of (British sponsored) Bolivar, Bolivar himself with very “Pyrennes” background.

Originally, Maroto-Arias group was of the Spanish resistance to Napoleonic invasions of Spain in Europe known as the “Spanish War of Independence”—though it was a monarchist independence movement--against Napoleon's monarchist army.

As a loyal imperial Spanish crown follower, Maroto later was sent to fight against the British-allied Bolivarians attempt to dismantle the Spanish Empire in South America.

Earlier in Spain, the French attacked the plaza of Valencia on June 28, 1808. Maroto defended the city with the batteries that he had at his position, in Santa Catalina and Torres de Cuarte (this was the name that was given to it at the time). Forced to surrender to the enemy after a heroic defense, he was recognized with distinction to the mother country and was awarded a Shield of Honor.

Interesingly, even Maroto took part in the Battle of Tudela in Navarre,--the Navarre connection similar to Ignatius, founder of the Jesuits—as well as similar to the French Bourbon line, which came from Navarre with Henry IV.

The point of talking about Maroto here is that he appointed as his ally monarchist Catholic Carlist, José Arias Teijeiro, who signed many death sentences against the principal generals, accusing them of sedition. It was said pejoratively of these generals that they were "de carta y compás" ("of the square and compass"), that is, oppositional secular Freemasons to the monarchists.

Matoro is sent to protect the Spanish Empire as well against the 'upstart' Bolivarian (dream of monarchy for himself) revolution in South America, a supported revolution by the British as an opportunistic means to divide and conquer the Spanish Empire--which was successful and later was integrated into a British financial imperium (once it achieved its lauded ‘independence’--out of the frying pan, into the fire).

On November 16, 1813, Matoro was named colonel in charge of the Queen's Talavera Regiment. At the head of this unit, he set sail for Peru on December 25, 1813. On April 24, 1814 they disembarked at Callao to aid the Viceroy José Fernando de Abascal y Sousa, who had been working arduously to maintain his viceroyalty and the bordering territories under Spanish control and away from British/Bolivarian supported revolutionaries.

Maroto and his troops, placed under the orders of Brigadier Mariano Osorio, were sent to Chile, which, during the Napoleonic Wars, had risen in rebellion under that Irish family satrapy of Bernardo O'Higgins, with his illegitimiate son later allied to Bolivar on the other side. (discussed earlier)

This an 'intra-monarchical' conflict for South America: would it be Spanish imperial empire hegemony, or "Bolivar imperial" continental Constitutional Monarchy (discussed in a previous post at 'Married to the Octopus' comments)?

They embarked July 19, 1814, arriving at the naval base of Talcahuano, the nucleus of royalist activity, August 13. Osorio succeeded in organizing, along with local elements, a mobile army of some five thousand men, of whom Maroto's troops were practically the only royalist Catholic Spaniards fighting in South America.

This recap of the Spanish/South American/monarchist connection via Arias groups is interesting because Del Rio is hardly far behind after getting into the Arias-Moroto Catholic monarchist groups. Wait and see. Back to 2005-6:

In January 2005 Fr. Maciel, founder of Legion of Christ, at age 84, was succeeded by Fr. Alvaro Corcuera Martinez del Rio, LC as General Director of the Legion shortly after a reopening of a sex abuse investigation by the Vatican against Fr. Maciel.

In 2006, after a long investigation of child sex abuse allegations, Pope Benedict XVI has taken disciplinary action against the Rev. Marcial Maciel.

Earlier, Maciel was removed from his position by the Vatican in 1956 though reinstated in 1959 following allegations that he was addicted to a morphine drug known as dolantine.

"Grandmaster" Maciel was called to accompany Pope John Paul II personally on his visits to Mexico in 1979, 1990, and 1993.

"Grandmaster" Fr. Maciel was also appointed by the Pope to the Ordinary Assembly of the Synod of Bishops on the formation of Candidates for the Priesthood in Actual Circumstances (1991).

However, even with this power (or perhaps because of it), since the 1970s, Marcial Maciel has been accused of having repeatedly sexually abused other congregation members, including young children.

Maciel's accusers include a priest, a guidance counselor, a professor, an engineer, a lawyer and a former priest who became a university professor. The men, seven Mexicans and two Spaniards, described themselves as former members of a favored group, known as the "apostolic schoolboys." The abuse allegedly occurred over three decades beginning in the 1940s in Spain and Italy, where boys and young men were taken for schooling.

The abuse, they said, involved some 30 boys and young men and extended over at least three decades.

Of the nine men making the accusations, one subsequently retracted his story [under what circumstances though?], claiming it had been a fabrication intended to damage the Legion. The other eight continue to maintain these allegations. Fr Maciel and the organization deny the accusations. According to the ReGain organization, as many as 24 men have come forward with accusations of sexual abuse against Fr. Maciel. Fr Maciel and the organization continue to deny the accusations.

The liable Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), lead by-then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger [the current "don't ask, don't tell, don’t prosecute pedophila" Pope], examined [sic] the allegations.

Ratzinger was the one covering up Papal hierarchy pedophilia for decades, and now he's Pope. (Sort of like the use of the coverup Warren Commission personnel to be the small area through which Senate Judiciary admin and Presidents and their proxies have drawn, ever since November 22, 1963 in the USA.)

So, plus ca change in the Legion of Christ's Pedophiles.

Is the move to put a Del Rio in change of the Legion of Christ and its lay organization R.C. just another feint? Why one should ask is because Del Rio is from yet another very interesting long lineaged monarchist Catholic aligned family--even intermarried into one.

Back to the Spanish Empire-Spanish-South American loyalist monarchist Moroto-Arias story above (which started because it was an Arias that sponsored into the cloth the founder of Legion of Christ). Here we go a bit north of South America for the equally Mexican Monarchist movement around Itubide and soon the Del Rio. (It would be interesting to see if there are closer relations than simply being Mexican monarchists—perhaps intermarrige relations--between Del Rios and Arias, though the Arias seemed to be anti-Hapsburg while the Del Rio were definitely pro-Hapbsburg, and allied with the British instead of Spain’s royality.)

Back to the early 1800s Latin American Spanish Empire story above:

The Martinez del Rio family in Mexico shares with few others the top echelon of Mexico's most prominent families. The family has been important in shaping Mexico's politics, economy and society from the time of Mexican [short term monarchical…] independence from Spain [in 1822-3], until the present day.

So much has the family's influence in Mexican history been that the University of Texas at Austin wrote a book on this Mexican family to teach Mexican history.

Originally from the nobility of the Spanish region of Cantabria and the Italian region of Piemonte ["the Italian Pyrenees", separated from the Spanish Pyrenees by the French coast...within which equally charmed life microstate Monaco is found], the Martinez del Rio family currently has less than 200 members, most of whom still reside in Mexico.

The family tree has been kept intact from the 8th century and the family can trace direct lineage to Spain's hero Mio Cid.--which basically means a long, long martial Catholic heritage, about 1000 years at least, and a longer 1,200 year traceable history for Del Rios in general.

The family lived through trying times during the second half of the 19th century when the family sided with Mexico's Conservatives (Conservadores) who supported a....[guess:] Monarchy.


Well, because they invited them in. The Del Rios personally were in the trope of Catholic monarchists who invited in the Hapsburg Maximillian I, likely in a group French-British plot because the British and (monarchist Napoleon III's) French were scheming to break up the United States of America during the U.S.'s so called ‘civil war’—which was really a plot of Anglo-allied northern secessionists working with Anglo-aligned southern secessionists instead of a regional southern movement [cite Treason in America (1999)].

Del Rio are Mexican though British aligned, Mexican monarchists educated in Britain for generations.

During the U.S. Civil War, the British and French were waiting to invade from south of the Rio Grande during the U.S. Civil War.

As well, the British were waiting to invade from north in what was still British territory (Canada only ‘separated’ after the U.S. Civil War when this plan to break up the USA failed once more--it had been attempted earlier by British allied Burr and during the War of 1812).

Internal secessionists were still at breaking up the USA--the same Anglo-aligned Essex Junto families were involved in it as 50 years earlier, in the north and south.

HOWEVER, Lincoln’s decision to simply print greenbacks instead of borrow money, as well as his ‘private deal’ with the Czar of Russia to support the USA (the North in the Civil War) with the Czar’s Russian Navy. The Russian Fleet appeared and sat on the U.S. West Coast and the U.S. East Coast during the U.S. Civil War, and created a complicated global war potential that could fund itself which kept England and France from moving on the threats into the U.S. territory from the south and the north.

Yes, Russia saved the American Union, and to keep it secret payment was arranged for the use of the Russian Navy by Lincoln through the cover 'purchase' from Russia of Alaska after the Civil War, since Lincon's alliance with the Czar was not vetted by Congress during the Civil War and was actually illegal, so the U.S. could not openly pay for it after the Civil War. (For the moral angle, the Czar admired Lincoln, and the one who aided Lincoln was the Czar who freed the serfs in Russia, so he felt geopolitically against the British as well as felt morally involved with Lincoln’s cause against the slaveholding southerners. [On this heavily important bit of global geopolitics, hardly taught concerning the U.S. Civil War, read segments in Epperson’s The Unseen Hand). So an autocratic liberal Monarchist Czar of Russia saved the American Union from British disestablishment pressures.

During and up to the U.S. Civil War, Jose Pablo Martinez del Rio was the main spokesman of the delegation that offered the Crown of the Mexican Empire to Maximilian I of Mexico (Originally Maximilian of Hapsburg) in 1864.

Benito Juárez, leader of Mexico's [secular] Liberals (Liberales, allied to Lincoln during the U.S. Civil War) confiscated the Del Rio family's "La Hormiga" hacienda, which was then turned into Mexico's Presidential Residence "Los Pinos"--and confiscated properties known as "Encinillas" which comprised 60,000 km² of land that the family owned in northern Mexico. In other words, the Del Rios basically owned all important land in Northern Mexico--and they had Spanish Texas land grant territory as well when they invited the Hapsburgs in.

(Same thing happened in France, its Presidential Palace has history paralleing this one.)

Once Benito Juárez took control of Mexico as president he had (Del Rio’s invited) Maximilian I Hapsburg put to death by firing squad in 1867.

Interestingly, Juarez didn’t dare to kill Del Rio: Juarez merely banished Jose Pablo Martinez del Rio to his native Milan, Italy.

And only three years later, in 1870, Juárez seemed forced to grant a "general amnesty" and the exiles who had plotted to take over Mexico for a monarchy could return, but their properties remained in the hands of the State in 1870.

Soon thereafter, the Martinez del Rios joined their blood through marriage with several descendants of Agustin de Iturbide, who obtained Mexico's independence from Spain and was the country's first emperor. Mexico's short-lived royalty maintains its lineage to this day, explained in the Casa Imperial's (Imperial House) website. [Iturbide was backed and influenced by Mexico's conservadores who wanted an “independent Mexico”--with a monarch—from one of the European royal families as head of state. That’s some ‘independence’, eh? When no European royals accepted Mexico's offer (as Spain still had hopes of taking Mexico back in 1822 when this was occurring), Iturbide was persuaded by his advisors to be named Emperor in the manner of Napoleon I. Iturbide did this with some genuine reluctance, since he sincerely believed in the Divine Right of Kings, and thought that as someone without royal blood he, was unworthy. On the evening of May 18, 1822 he was proclaimed emperor by soldiers in the street. He appeared at his balcony—and declined the honor without a resolution of Congress. Early the following morning Congress was assembled, and it voted 77-15 to name him emperor. On July 21, 1822, he was crowned Augustus I, Constitutional Emperor of Mexico. Iturbide attempted to run the nation as he had led the army, giving orders and commanding that those who disagreed with him be imprisoned. Opposition to his administration soon grew, and in 1823 various regional governors and military commanders, among them Guadalupe Victoria and Antonio López de Santa Anna [he working with U.S. Freemasonic groups], issued the Plan de Casa Mata, calling for Iturbide's overthrow and declaring Mexico a Republic.

On 19 March 1823, Iturbide abdicated and agreed to leave the country without a fight, in exchange for which he was granted a pension. He sailed to exile in Italy, then moved to London where he published his autobiography _Statement of Some of the Principal Events in the Public Life of Agustín de Iturbide. From Britain, assuredly a British agent in this affair, he decided to return to Mexico, and landed there in Soto la Marina, Tamaulipas on July 15, 1824, where this plot was immediately stopped by his arrest.

He was soon after shot by the local authorities in the town of Padilla.

About 15 years later, in 1838, the Conservative government of Anastasio Bustamante moved Iturbide's body to the Cathedral in Mexico City and reburied him in splendor with the title of "National Liberator". In 1865 Iturbide's grandson Agustín de Iturbide y Green was adopted by the nation's only other emperor, Maximilian of Mexico, the very person that the Del Rio's invited over, and then the Del Rios saw fit to marry into the Iturbides.

The Del Rio family's historic archive contains nearly 60,000 documents which were classified by Jose Pablo's great grandson Carlos and donated in 2006 by Ana Cristina, Carlos' daughter to The Center of Mexican History (CEHM) Condumex. The archive contains more than 300 years of family history.

After 1870, the Del Rios get their wealth back. Soon after Juarez bizarrely (was forced?) to let the Del Rio monarchist traitors back into Mexico, it was during the next flip flop in Mexican history, the Catholic dictatorship 'presidency' of Porfirio Diaz in the late 1800's and early 1900s that the Del Rios received restitution of Benito Juárez's confiscations.

Among other interesting facts, the Del Rios were one of the original recipients of the original Spanish Empire Land Grants in Texas compensation for which it still is awaiting from the U.S. government as directed by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

And an interesting piece of information about these Del Rio Land Grants is that George W Bush's Crawford Disneyland TV star ranch is located in once Del Rio property (Bush as that New England banker Nazi WWII family of fascist enablers --who claims to 'own and run a ranch in Texas as seen on TV,' though Bush is afraid of horses.)

The pro-Hapsburg Del Rio’s had something against Bolivar as well: the [Mexican] Del Rio family loaned a significant amount to (create) the government of Ecuador, so that it could pursue the breakup of Gran Colombia (which was the Bolivarian monarchist dream).

So: you had the 'Mexican' Del Rios, equally monarchist, intermarried into Iturbide, and sceming to import monarchy into Mexico in the 1860s, though for different Hapsburg families.

Generations earlier, Del Rios were working to break up Bolivar's Gran Columbia continental wide monarchist dream--with Bolivar aligned groups seemingly for another monarchist dream under another family.

This is another theme I have noticed elsewhere: as infighting between the lines expand in European global imperialism, the stakes are raised and the client bases are forced to expand--clients that soon see that they are in charge of everything instead of the original sponsors.

This is the theme of the Masonic co-opters in England, the Hanoverians after 1715 or so, versus the exiled Masonic-in-origin Stuarts. Both were infighting during Stuart re-invasions and scheming to get back into England for over 60 years (from the Whig banker animated toppling of them in 1688, when the Whigs invited in the Dutch House of Orange (distantly related to the Stuarts), thorugh to 1745, the last Stuart invasion that failed. During this period, Masonry exploded across the continent of Europe, and split across Hanoverian wings and Stuart aligned wings (that were Bourbon aligned by proxy, because the Stuarts were being hosted by the Bourbons in France.

A different internatioal monarchist battle seems to be waging and expanded similarly between monarchist aligned Del Rios/Iturbide/Hapsburgs vs. Bolivarian-British-Hanoverian pretensions.

In both cases, clients as the 1700s wore on, got the idea of "who needs these monarchies anyway?"--which added a populist democratic and rural colonial revolution (and secret society ongoing) aspect to the mid 1700s onward.

The Del Rios seem to have been the sponsored British Agents (pro Hapsburg) in Mexico against the (Bourbon winged) Spanish Empire, during the period where further south Bolivar and others were the sponsored British Agents in South America against the Spanish Empire.

However, the Del Rios didn’t like Bolivar's antics, which from a British point of view was useful I guess--pretty poor 'seeded revolutionary' planning to have two of your sponsored groups friendly to each other, better to have them divided against each other.

Ever since “Mexican independence”--really was Iturbide monarchy, 1822-3 with seeming British failed attempt to start it back up in 1824, and with Del Rio married into Iturbide line soon-- the Del Rio family has had strong ties to the United Kingdom, where historically many of its members lived and received their education.

Other Famous Family Members

* Dolores Del Rio (Hollywood actress) - She married businessman Jaime Martinez del Rio

* Father Alvaro Corcuera Martinez del Rio - Director General of the Catholic Order of The Legionaries of Christ

* Dr. Carlos Martinez del Rio - Professor of Zoology and Physiology, University of Wyoming


"Kinship, Business and Politics, The Martinez del Rio Family in Mexico 1823-1867" by David W. Walker, University of Texas Press. ISBN 0-292-74308-4

1/05/2007 05:38:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

(And quit taking the bait, IC!)

This place is becoming a nuthouse...

4:30 PM

But it's that nutty bouquet that makes the mind sparkle (except when you step in something a little too earthy while your eyes are in the sky, of course.) And isn't that combination of angel dust and compost emblematic of man's special place in the great chain of being, the tragi-comic clown of the cosmos? The only laugh-ing/able species?

Unless we move up the ladder one day. I wonder if the angelic crowd would appreciate Groucho Marx?

1/05/2007 11:55:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Hey megaanon, do you have any opinion on the material or approach of Michael Tsarion?

In fifty words of less, please. LOL

1/06/2007 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can't seem to post to "Yesterday's Papers" so I'm putting it here

A Survey of this type which seems to be credible and wide-ranging is exactly what is needed to establish the validity of these reports

Naturally, if there is validity to them there will be an attempt to corrupt the reporting process but if handled adeptly this - false reports, clearly absurd claims, etc. - can also provide proof of the claims.. Again though, people who are expert at this type of disinformation will adhere to the rule of providing mostly good information with just that right dash of disconnect to throw things awry

The corruption of various medical people who are involved with this type of thing is also a factor and has to be kept in mind..

1/06/2007 09:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An interesting link regarding Saturn, mythology, skepticism, and probably alot of other things too:

1/06/2007 03:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another of Mike Doughty's more prescient lyrics (from his 1994 song "Is Chicago, Is Not Chicago" [on Soul Coughing's Ruby Vroom album]):

Is Chicago, Is Not Chicago

A man
drives a plane
into the
Chrysler building

Saskatoon is in the room
Poulsbo is in the room
Bennetsville is in the room
Palmyra is in the room

Is Chicago!
Is not Chicago!
Is Chicago!
Is not Chicago!

A man
cuts in half
just like he
snaps a pencil

Khartoum is in the room
Phnom Penh is in the room
Pyongyang is in the room
Cairo is in the room

Is Chicago!
Is not Chicago!
Is Chicago!
Is not Chicago

1/06/2007 04:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey megaanon, do you have any opinion on the material or approach of Michael Tsarion? In fifty words of less, please. LOL

Scrolling through his hypervisual website for the first time, I have never heard of him. However, just from the quick scan of an article on astrology I fail to see how it would interest me--outside of knowing that some occult groups if you are interested in them require knowing about it--though to know about them. Other titles didn't even "scan" for me and seemed like he was heavily drawing on a New Age Thesaurus to write some of them. If you think I'm grossly in error, let me know. Frankly, I don't see what you mean by "approach" since the topic in this ongoing thread seems entirely different from him?

(On a different topic he and I both share interest in though, if you are talking about all that comes up with the term "Atlantis," given info in the book _Maps of Ancient Sea Kings, something was going on long ago that was lost. Additionally there is a book with pictures of the sea coast of the Bermuda area that is quite convincing for me that square cut stone roads and strange columns are down there. Another book is _Underworld, by Graham Hancock.

Tsarion seems overly precious and intentionally obscuritanist for me.

Drat, more than 50 words. :-)

1/08/2007 09:41:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

No, no, that was fine, thank you I pretty much agree. Maybe I was trying to get a better sense of where you are coming from.

Nice to see your concern for maintaining the topic of this thread, but , ah, nevermind.

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