Tuesday, May 01, 2007

Many Dimensions (Part One)

"They come in at a funny angle." - The Invisibles

In the conclusion to their 1975 conversation The Edge of Reality, J Allen Hynek and Jacques Vallee brainstorm various UFO theories, although then and now, "UFO" is both too imprecise and too fraught with pop baggage to convey much more than its own parody. But in that case, what should we call them, and how might we explain manifestations and liminal phenomena as broad, and untidy, and bizarre as the mile-wide disc sighted over the English Channel last week and Joe Simonton's pancakes?

Vallee begins by asking, "What if we were writing 'The UFO in the Year 2000'?" He then hypothesizes, correctly, that the next 25 years and more will pass much as the 25 before. "Every two or three years there's a flap somewhere. There is no visible effect on society, there is no direct threat, there is no mass landing; that's one scenario." Hynek notes dryly, "Well, the theory that they are going to invade us would have to change." To which Vallee comments, "If they are hostile, and they've been hostile for 25 years, they're certainly not doing a very good job of invading us!" True enough, but invasion is one thing - and it is the one thing disinformation repeats ad naseum from Roswell to Dulce for the benefit of those who mean to hoax and exploit UFO events - and hostility something else.

In the course of their discussion Vallee suggests that it needn't be the US government as such which serves as the Earthly master and keeper of secrets of the phenomenon, as assumed by many of those championing "disclosure." Rather, he wonders whether that role of contact or channel or controlling agent might be assumed by an "occult society" (Though of course, if that's true, it could be expected that there would be considerable overlap between the occult order and secular governance.)

Vallee continues:

Much of technology is very linear. The reason we have radio telescopes and the reason we have radar is because of World War II - because someone was already an expert with radio waves and happened to think of the right configuration along the lines of technological development. If somebody, say way back in the fifteenth century, had found an entirely different science on that basis....

Suppose a group had investigated along the lines of rational thinking and finally contacted other forms of consciousness? They would have kept it secret, because their leaders were worried of the consequences of releasing it into an unprepared world.... What's wrong with my scenario, then? Well I'll tell you what's wrong with that: we know that occult organizations in the US are usually groups of crackpots, idealists and little old ladies. But then, maybe there are groups and occult societies that really have kept themselves secret. If so, a group like that could have the motivation and the means to manipulate public opinion on a grand scale.

Vallee's mention of somebody, say way back in the fifteenth century is almost certainly an allusion to John Dee, Elizabethan scientist, occultist and court spy. Dee's Enochian system of "angelic" evocation - an entirely different science - was preserved and embellished by esoteric, Masonic-born orders such as the Golden Dawn and the OTO, and has entered both UFO lore (for instance, the Naval Intelligence officer who, in 1959, channelled an alleged alien entity by the Enochian name of "Affa") and cyberculture ("lonelygirl15" flees "the Order" and its mysterious Enochian rites).

The alchemical opening of "portals" and the crossing of dimensions - we've been over this weird ground before. Something different, though, is that the linear science to which Vallee referred may soon reach the point at which it could do the same.

Last week, CERN's Large Hadron Collider received its final "megamagnet," though because a smaller superconducting magnet failed during a expectedly routine pressure test in March its start-up date will likely be pushed back several months from its anticipated November launch.

The LHC will search for the Higgs boson which, it's theorized, determines the mass of other elementary particles, and is the last unobserved component of the "Standard Model." But physicists like Harvard's Lisa Randall believe the Standard Model isn't all there is, as CERN's new collider may demonstrate. Secrets it may make manifest include extra and even infinite spatial dimensions to which we are routinely oblivious.

UFOs are frequently observed performing actions that defy an explanation in three dimensions. They swell and contract, split and come together, as strange as a 3-D figure would appear to Flatlanders if it penetrated their 2-D world. Witness Jane Chapin claimed to have observed an egg-shaped UFO pass through the trees, as though they didn't exist, and not above them as she'd initially told researchers. ("I could see they wouldn't believe me if I told them the truth," she explained. "They were such nice people. I didn't want to shock them.") Abductees too, often describe violations of three dimensional space. Sandy Nichols told author Brent Raynes that "It doesn't matter how many times they've taken me through the walls, or the windows, my mindset is that, 'Oh I'm going to hit this wall with the top of my head and it's gonna hurt,' but then the next thing I know is I'm actually going through the wall":

It's really weird because all of a sudden I see the outside and I can move my eyes and I see part of my body still in the wall or the window. But my head, and say shoulders, are already outside.... Then I see a light.... and it's like I get in this light and it's like a light elevator that takes me up.... here comes this metallic looking craft...and then the next thing I know I'm already in the craft.

Of course this sounds an awful lot like an Out-of-Body-Experience, and perhaps it was. Or perhaps extra physical dimensionality is a persuasive mimic of astral states. If so, then intelligences native to such dimensions could easily masquerade as gods and angels, and Earthly orders committed to their devotion could keep them well fed, depending upon their appetites.


Blogger Leo Bloom said...

Welcome back Jeff...I've needed this fix for a long time!

5/01/2007 08:01:00 AM  
Blogger tuesmorning@ckut.ca said...

I enjoyed reading this one.

5/01/2007 08:17:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Yes indeedy, welcome back! ... we thought you'd been raptured!

5/01/2007 08:48:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

I don't think colliders will be able to detect the dimensional elements unless and until they can turn that 45 degree corner at any given point in the universe. Dimensions are like the mobius strip. Heaven and hell are the same points in space.

5/01/2007 09:46:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis/87 said...

Welcome back!!! Your rested mind is put to task once again.

5/01/2007 10:25:00 AM  
Blogger Bob Acevedo said...

Welcome back! May the rest have recharged you and cleansed you.

5/01/2007 11:02:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

A fitting post for Beltane.

From Wiki:
"In Irish mythology, the beginning of the summer season for the Tuatha Dé Danann {The Tuatha Dé were descended from Nemed, leader of a previous wave of inhabitants of Ireland. They came from four northern cities, Falias, Gorias, Murias and Finias, where they acquired their occult skills and attributes. They arrived in Ireland, on or about May 1 (the date of the festival of Beltaine), on dark clouds, although later versions rationalise this by saying they burned their ships to prevent retreat, and the "clouds" were the smoke produced. } and the Milesians started at Bealtaine. Great bonfires would mark a time of purification and transition, heralding in the season in the hope of a good harvest later in the year, and were accompanied with ritual acts to protect the people from any harm by Otherworldly spirits, such as the Sídhe. Like the festival of Samhain, opposite Beltane on Oct. 31, Beltane was a time when the Otherworld was seen as particularly close at hand."

5/01/2007 12:41:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

I'd just like to point out the fact that there's a difference between occult and occulted. 'Tis a fine & spirited post you've put up here, Jeff, but let's not forget that there are levels within levels, which is to say that it's entirely conceivable that a shadow government could have all manner of exotic propulsion technology without necessarily invoking the ancient names of Beelzebub.

In fact, since we know that the Lost Science was "lost" by groups who profit from our senseless toil(*), and that this qualitative, dynamical science was capable, long ago, of feats which the mechanical-minded minions of The State declare impossible, wouldn't it further serve their transparent purposes to have us fear the Lord of the Flies and other lies they've invented to control us? Just a thought.

* for more, try here and here

5/01/2007 03:18:00 PM  
Blogger Tony McArthur said...

the power exists outside technology, the perception is week and the mind tries to re-create what it has experienced as a "technological" event. These sitings have always been with us. As we further distance ourselves from the ability to perceive/create/commune a battle line is made visible by those who would profit from such progress. the oldest orders survived through duplicity and intrigue and now twist in the grasp of their own poisonous reasoning. The new order is not a "world" order, but something else, something that in a sense (beyond what we can know) is preordained. And as surely as we have already lost more than we know, we may well gain more than we can imagine.

5/01/2007 04:46:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Welcome back. Jeff wrote:

"Vallee's mention of somebody, say way back in the fifteenth century is almost certainly an allusion to John Dee, Elizabethan scientist, occultist and court spy."

Dee was slightly later, i.e., sixteenth century to early seventeenth century:

“John Dee (July 13, 1527-1608) was a noted Welsh mathematician, astronomer, astrologer, geographer, occultist, and consultant to Queen Elizabeth I. He also devoted much of his life to alchemy, divination, and Hermetic philosophy.”

Vallee may have just been pulling a number out of his head for an abstract example, in other words. (If anyone in the actual 1400s (“fifteenth century”) the name that would leap to mind would be the Medicis of Florence, wholly immersed in “Christian esotericism” as well as hermeticism. The Duke threw off translating Christian Greek texts the moment when Egyptian hermetic texts became available. I think it was the Picatrix with its astral magic ‘recipes’.)

Though for a latter day version of it, Vallee or anyone hardly has to go back that far. William Cooper (at the link below) argues for the "Jason Scholars" of the 1950s around Eisenhower as right up there as just such a governmental-occult network--more governmental first and made occult later by the desire to isolate the knowledge base as well as selected leaks I am sure to other occult societies that these people may have been involved in. Interesting talk at the link, particularly the list of names that William Cooper gives as the ‘first generation alien scholars’ who were let in on the supposed alien contact information. He says that this was a “pre-MJ12” group, that met for three years in the 1950s. Would be worth checking out every bio on that list he gives.

William Cooper talk supposedly from 1989
1 hr 28 min 23 sec - Sep 1, 2006

And to cut to the chase and spark comment, the list he gives with likely some mistrascribed/spelled, is:

“the study group on the aliens” aka Jason Scholars
held at: Marine Corps Base Quantico

Gordon Dean, Chairman

Zbigniew Brzezinski , study director for the first 18 months
Henry Kissinger, study director for the next phase

Dr. Edward Teller represented the scientific community

Major General Richard C. Lindsey
Hanson W. Baldwin
Lloyd B. Berkner (sp)
Frank C. Nash
Paul H. Nitzy (sp)
Charles P. Noyes
Frank Pace Jr
James A. Perkins
John K. Price
David Rockefeller [Nelson Rockefeller sat in as well sometimes he said elsewhere]
Oscar M. Rubehausen
Lt. General James N. Gavin
Carl E. Haskins
James T. Hill, Jr.
Joseph E. Johnson
Mervin J. Kelley (sp)
Frank Altschul
Hamilton Fish Armstrong
Major General James McCormick Jr
Robert R. Borey (sp)
McGeorge Bundy
William A.M. Burden
John C. Campbell
Thomas K. Pindletter (sp)
George S. Franklin Jr
I. I .Rabbi (sp)
Rozwell L. Gilpatrick
N. E. Halaby
General Walter Biddell Smith
Henry DeWolf Smyth
Shilds Childs Warren (sp)
Carol L. Wilson
Arnold Wolfers (sp)

I am unable to say for all of these, though some of those names would probably be “reporting back” what was going on to more tangible occult networks and it would get all intermeshed in different political designs that way.

Cooper said there were 37 people (though he gives 38 names--including Nelson Rockefeller 'sitting in' occasionally).

More on that location:

The Marine Corps Base Quantico, near Triangle, Virginia, is one of the largest United States Marine Corps bases in the world. Known as the "Crossroads of the Marine Corps", it is a major Marine Corps training base, covering nearly 100 square miles. The Corps' Combat Development Command is based here, which develops strategies for Marine combat, and makes up most of the community of over 12,000 military and civilian personnel, including families. It has a budget of around $300 million. The Marine Corps Research Center at Quantico pursues equipment R&D, especially telecommunications, for the Marine Corps. In addition, the FBI has its principal research and training facilities here, including a mock village, numerous labs, and equipment test ranges. Quantico is also the principal training facility for the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).

It is the site of the Marine Corps Combat Development Command and HMX-1, the presidential helicopter squadron.

The base is the home of major training institutions for both the Marine Corps and federal law enforcement agencies, including:

* Drug Enforcement Administration training academy
* FBI Academy
* Officer Candidate School
* The Basic School
* The Advanced School
* Marine Corps Security Guard Battalion
* Marine Corps University

5/01/2007 05:46:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Here's a recent interview with Richard Dolan:

Editor: Well, I usually begin an interview asking how a person got started and became interested in UFOs.

Richard Dolan: I’ve been researching the UFO field now I’d say for about 12 to 13 years, since the early to mid-1990s. My background was strictly academic. I was a Ph.D student in history at the University of Rochester, studying Cold War history, national security stuff, Harry Truman, the Soviets, the CIA, and so forth.

Nothing at all to do with flying saucers, and then I got the bug. In 1993-94, I started wondering (like a lot of people passively wonder) is there anything to this or not? With me, studying the kinds of things that I was, I really wanted to know was there an element of missing history.

I will never forget walking into a bookstore in 1994 and seeing a copy of Tim Good’s Above Top Secret. It was one of those moments in my life that helped to push me in a certain direction. I flipped through his book, recognized lots of names from my own academic research, and the question that occurred to me was not is this true but rather is it historically valid that Generals and Admirals and CIA intelligence people were taking UFOs seriously in the 1940s and ‘50s. Because if they were taking it seriously that in itself is an interesting topic and why would that not have been in any academic history book that I had ever read, because it is absent. In the formal university setting this is just a non-topic, and yet who could deny that if you go back to 1950, to be a fly on the wall of some General who is seriously talking about UFOs, how could that not be interesting. That’s very interesting.

So with that very innocent, conservative, almost naive approach I started my research, which was simply to determine whether this was a valid historical issue. Well, obviously, very quickly I decided that it sure is and became acquainted with the literature and then just started doing my own research. I was essentially looking for the book that I ended up writing. I was looking for a nice 500 page overview that laid out a history. I didn’t really find one and so essentially ended up writing my version of one, which I called UFOs and the National Security State. And, in fact, I really stepped into it when I wrote this, so to speak, because I intentionally entitled the book Volume One, because it really went from the 1940s to the early 1970s, very explicitly telling everyone that yes, I am going to do a volume two. In fact, writing volume two has been such a huge project in my life, but I’m in the home stretch here. All of the research is done, and a lot of the writing is done, and I’m hoping to have this done before the year is out, and that will take the history right up to the present day.

So essentially my take on this is that it’s a no brainer that this phenomenon is not only real but that there are groups within the U.S. and beyond, transnationally, that are aware of what is going on and that indeed there is a cover-up. There are non-humans who are here among us. I think that’s pretty certain. This is a serious problem. Within the national security community if you get into the right circles these people are taking it very seriously also, and so that fact alone is enough for a days work because of course in our official culture this is all still silliness and nonsense. But then it goes much further than that. Really what you find is that when you lift open the cover of the UFO topic you find that it’s almost like reality within the matrix, where you discover that indeed there is a reality that is so different from our official version of truth that it’s almost at that level of what you get in the matrix and you begin to really wonder, “Are we living in an artificially generated reality?” That matrix exists, I believe, when we turn on our television sets and plug into mainstream corporate culture. So yes I very innocently stepped into this twelve years ago thinking that I was going to get my feet wet and now find myself swimming out into the ocean.

Editor: Have you had any problems with, since you took this position, from people like colleagues or maybe even government?

Richard Dolan: I’ve had a few instances that I would consider possible problems resulting from this. For two years, from 2003 to 2005, I was regularly getting stopped at airports when I flew. Now I was allowed to fly, but I was delayed constantly, and it was because of my name. Try getting an answer out of TSA regarding why you’re getting stopped. I mean, good luck. They won’t tell you. Someone said to me, “Well, there might be someone with the name “Richard Dolan” who did something really bad, and I thought maybe, but then I ended up searching my own name on the Internet and I’m 95 percent of all the hits on Richard Dolan anyway and I’m thinking, “Well, I’m guessing it’s me.” In particular, because I do have a very political take on the UFO issue. I’m not just someone who wants to study ufology as a science. I’m looking at the UFO phenomenon in a very political way. So I assume that it’s me, but I can’t get straight answers.

5/01/2007 08:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe a lot of strange astral perceptions have to do with drugs such as LSD. Even with flashbacks individuals hear colors and see sounds. According to Boston University School of Medicine neuropsychologist Edith Kaplan, LSD may lower the threshold of neurons in the temporal lobes, so that an auditory signal could activate neighboring visual neurons, or vise versa. Flashbacks, in simplest terms, may be an especially vivid form of memory. This applies both to drug abusers and posttraumatic stress victims, who often suffer from them.

In either cases, a traumatic event or powerful drug experience becomes seared into the subconscious brain. "An experience with such a strong emotional valence tells the nervous system, This is important; lay down a path for recall."

Temporal lobes are major processing areas in the cortex. They are involved in the integration of multiple sensory functions such as vision, hearing, and touch, as well as emotion and memory. The visual disorders of post-LSD patients may be caused by synesthesia, the convergence of one sense into another.

John Doe was diagnosed as schizophrenic and given Thorazine. "Since they gave me Thorazine, everything has been glowing yellow," Doe says. Doctors now know that antipsychotic drugs tend to exacerbate flashback symptoms. Benzodiazepines, a class of tranquilizers including Valium, are now considered the drugs of choice. With the help of medication and therapy there is life after flashbacks.

Mind control experiments on military bases with flying crafts and LSD could be a possible explanation of the bizarre eyewitness accounts.

Some material taken from February 1990 Omni magazine.

5/01/2007 10:48:00 PM  
Blogger brenda said...

Not one of your better posts Jeff. This one is pretty content free. I mean, just putting two things down next to each other on the same page is meaningless isn't it.

I don't see how you make any kind of connection here at all. You've done better.

And frankly, I think your talents are wasted here. You write well, very well, but then you let the delusional and the paranoid spam your comments so that they are virtually unreadable. And you are not doing them any favors either. All you succeed in doing is enabling fantasies and delusions to spin out of control. You are causing them harm by allowing that Jeff. Mistaking sleep paralysis for reality... there really are such things as dreams and fantasy you know. Knowing the difference, well now, that's the hard part.

I still think that a very ordinary explaination could be that we are not the only intelligent species on this planet. This is a big place and if the other species learned how to hack our perceptions that would be to their benefit. It isn't even that hard to do. Researchers have put a girl in a gorilla suit and walked her in front of people and no one saw her. There was no magic, the psychologist just knew how to trick our perceptual field. If we can do that, then another more advanced species could too.

5/02/2007 02:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brenda said... This is a big place and if the other species learned how to hack our perceptions that would be to their benefit.

In the Milky Way galaxy these ?species? have travelled to earth and have involved themselves with human affairs. I understand from reading books and the like that they have totally hacked our perceptions. You can say with confidence that they are superhuman and superterrestrial. It is believed that these beings have manipulated humans for a long time now. You can say that it is delusional to believe this. But people from all walks of life have experienced the spiritual world and have admitted often that these beings are not all friendly.

I think the point is more likely that we have to unlearn what they have shown us. That tapping into the spirit world of distant alien beings is not as beneficial as it may seem. They probably know us well enough as they know the backs of their hands. It seems that they do not care about our perceptions because they understand us too well.

LSD and other influences could make some people more receptive to spiritual influences. Does that mean they come from beings from another world? We can't always answer that. There are truckloads of writtings on this subject. But our minds can play tricks on us and the dreams we dream in our sleeps can be overwhelming to us.

This subject of alien beings is not limited to the vacationing bunny hunter. No, no, no. It is a very intelligent subject if it is not escapism. We need to understand a lot about social sciences here on earth first. The possibility of this ?species? could be discovered studying Egyptology for example. After that we can risk conversing about spirit beings or alien beings. Do you think this makes some sense?

5/02/2007 05:24:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Brenda said,

“Mistaking sleep paralysis for reality... there really are such things as dreams and fantasy you know. Knowing the difference, well now, that's the hard part.”

Reducing novel engagement with reality to sleep paralysis may also be ‘delusional’. I will assume that you enjoy your delusions better than you may like mine. String Theory, - delusional, Inverse Square Law of Gravitation, - delusional. We are all, even the smart people like you Brenda, working through delusions.

Brenda, I like your last paragraph, although the first sentence is somewhat startling. A very ordinary explanation? That other intelligent species are on planet and we are not aware of them? Could it be that because atoms are 99% space, another intelligent species might know of ways to cancel effects of the tangible element, so as to allow for interpenetration or passing through?

Does accepting the Standard Model, because alot of other smart people accept it, make a person less delusional than say John Smith and his golden tablets? Ok maybe, but they are still delusional (even if very smart).

5/02/2007 07:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


My sentiments, exactly. Brenda contradicted herself.....and yes, we are all delusional...it's just that some people think their delusion doesn't smell.

5/02/2007 08:54:00 AM  
Blogger The Way It Can Be said...

glad you're back Jeff,,

The myraid holes and paths and sidetracks we can find ourselves do not seem worth the immense effort expended except as a means of self-defence.. while being careful not allow self-defence, and other types of defence, to branch out into the well-plowed fields of a consuming paranoia..

It's not difficult to imagine beings more powerful than ourselves.. and once we start, the sky's the limit.. they could easily appear as angels or gods to us.. they could easily "be" angels or gods.. even creators on a grand galactic scale..

It seems more worthwhile to concentrate on the reality that gives rises to this "realm".. one of possibly an inifinite numbers of realms.. and beyond that, to the "void" which is not void but more a wellspring of potential from which all else arises and into which it falls..
either with or without obvious help like say the teachings of the buddha..

The huge danger I think, assuming we're not under attack and trying to protect oursleves, is to waste all our time in the endless warrens and barrens and to end up with no time or energy to spend on what is vital and "explains" everything else!!??

Evan Palmer
The Way It Can Be

5/02/2007 09:39:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

When I look up at the moon or sun or stars, I think I see these things and I think I see them faster than the speed of light. I look up alot and have never seen a UFO but somehow, even though I can't see them, I take pictures and I see them in some of the pictures that I take. The green orbs that seem to follow CT's being sprayed are in some of these pics. I even have a couple of pics where the green orbs are within 30 feet of me even though I don't see them when I snap the pic. There are websites that say these green orbs are UFO's using stealth technology. Since 99% of the population are in denial about chemtrails, it's reasonable for me to understand why they would be in denial about UFO's or green orbs.

I know the chemtrails are real and that they are manmade. I'm less certain about the green orbs which I've photographed numerous times and feel confident they are not glare objects off the lens of the camera. I have never seen a UFO but I did see the Kecksberg fireball that was quickly trucked away by the military back in 1967?. Other people who I know and trust say this object was being steered and changed directions several times before it crashed to the ground. When I saw it, it was travelling in a straight line and my only question is why did the military not let us see it once it crashed.

Jeff's graphic is thematic and can be found in Erik Von Danniken's books or in hallucinagenic artwork going back thousands of years. Granted, his version is novel but it is also thematic or part of the mass mind that many of us have experienced firsthand and sometimes referred to as cosmic consciousness.

My point here is that our perceptions do not meet the threshhold of truth. To that extent, we are in a matrix. We have only the future to lay our hopes upon and there is no reason to believe that I'm getting smarter or more perceptive. I won't be getting there from here anytime soon.

5/02/2007 10:13:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 00:07:54 -0500

Hi Bob,

Sorry, but I believe that the problem goes much deeper than just disorganization, and that it cannot be solved by organization alone.

The suppression of overunity Maxwellian systems was deliberately done by J. P. Morgan, way back in 1892 and 1900, when Lorentz was impressed to alter the already-severely limited Maxwellian equations. That suppression has continued to the present day, and it still continues unabated. Quoting Barrett, one of the founders of ultrawideband radar:

"[T]he A field [for the potentials] was banished from playing the central role in Maxwell's theory and relegated to being a mathematical (but not physical) auxiliary. This banishment took place during the interpretation of Maxwell's theory... by Heaviside... and Hertz. The 'Maxwell theory' and 'Maxwell's equations' we know today are really the interpretation of Heaviside... Heaviside took the 20 equations of Maxwell and reduced them to the four now known as "Maxwell's equations." [Terence W. Barrett, "Electromagnetic Phenomena Not Explained by Maxwell's Equations," A. Lakhtakia, ed., Essays on the Formal Aspects of Electromagnetics Theory, World Scientific Publishing, River Edge, NJ, 1993, p. 11.]

A listing of the blatant falsities known to be in the resulting electrical engineering taught to all our power engineers in all our universities, is given in my paper, “Errors and Omissions in the CEM/EE Model”, E.g., electrical engineers don’t even know what powers an electrical circuit! It isn’t cranking the shaft of the generator. For what does generate the energy that roars out of the generator terminals and through space along the external conductors, see the figure with that paper that shows how it works and what cranking the shaft actually does (and why we have to crank the shaft in the first place). Eminent scientists such as Nobelist Feynman, the great John Wheeler, Margenau, Bunge and others have pointed out the falsities, but to no avail. The scientific community absolutely will not correct this horribly flawed model and the horribly flawed EE teaching.

I sent a copy of that paper to the National Science Foundation, where Dr. Bement ordered a formal review of it. It passed the review; see the NSF letter back to me.

But for action, Dr. Bement had to turn me over to those in charge of electrical engineering, communications, etc., since I was speaking of electrical power. Those were very nice people, sincere – and absolutely with the squarest box imaginable around their heads. They had and have no intention of changing the sad old electrical engineering model.

Our universities don’t teach Maxwell’s theory, and never have. In Maxwell’s theory, there is indeed an active medium, and one can in fact build what is known as an “asymmetrical” system, and it will receive and use energy from the seething vacuum (the active medium).

Tesla knew that the medium was active, and he also had discovered how to get some energy out of it. He was hell-bent on giving the world cheap clean electrical energy freely taken from the vacuum. Quoting Tesla:

“Electric power is everywhere present in unlimited quantities and can drive the world's machinery without the need of coal, oil, gas, or any other of the common fuels." [Nikola Tesla].

"Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point in the universe. This idea is not novel... We find it in the delightful myth of Antheus, who derives power from the earth; we find it among the subtle speculations of one of your splendid mathematicians...Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic? If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic – and this we know it is, for certain – then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature." [Nikola Tesla, in a speech in New York to the American Institute of Electrical Engineers, 1891. Quoted from back cover of his biography, Margaret Cheney, Tesla: Man Out of Time].

“We have to evolve means for obtaining energy from stores which are forever inexhaustible, to perfect methods which do not imply consumption and waste of any material whatever. I now feel sure that the realization of that idea is not far off. ...the possibilities of the development I refer to, namely, that of the operation of engines on any point of the earth by the energy of the medium...” [Nikola Tesla, during an address in 1897 commemorating his installation of generators at Niagara Falls.].

"Whatever our resources of primary energy may be in the future, we must, to be rational, obtain it without consumption of any material." [Nikola Tesla, 1900].

Tesla’s backer was J. P. Morgan, who also became involved with Edison, consolidating with an Edison company to form General Electric. Rockefeller was moving in the fuel area, such as oil.

Morgan saw that, if Tesla had his way, suddenly much of Morgan’s emerging empire would be devastated, because the fool Tesla was speaking of eliminating burning of fuel.

The theory of groups was formed by Galois much earlier (who was killed very young in a duel) and this theory became accepted scientifically in 1870. So a really good mathematical “electrician” as the electrodynamicists were called (and there were only about three dozen of them, worldwide) would have become aware of, and versed in, group theory.

Morgan was no scientist, but since he was forging ahead in backing scientific and technology development and systems, he had his own scientific advisors. And these would have been the very best available, so they would have known group theory.

In the 1890s, after Maxwell had died in 1879 of stomach cancer, a few people who hated quaternions (Maxwell’s theory was in quaternion and quaternion-like algebra) promptly curtailed the dickens out of Maxwell’s superb theory, and created vector algebra in the process. Heaviside highly curtailed vector algebra equations were selected as the “new standard”.

So by the latter 1880s and early 1890s, Morgan had an urgent need to (1) stop Nikola Tesla, and (2) insure that the new version of Maxwell’s theory did not allow “energy from the active medium” systems such as Tesla was so hell-bent on producing and giving to humanity.

His advisors thus would have analyzed the new Heaviside equations, and seen that they still contained some of those irksome asymmetric Maxwellian systems. They would have pointed out that problem. And Morgan would have demanded what should be done, and they would have told him, “get those Heaviside equations symmetrized”.

The great Lorentz – who had a nice habit of using other people’s work and taking credit for it – was available, and he was impressed to symmetrize the Heaviside vector equations in 1892. That discarded all Maxwell’s asymmetrical “energy from the active medium” systems, leaving only symmetrical systems that self-enforced the system’s inability to use excess EM energy from the active medium.

Tesla had been backed by Westinghouse (an honest and sincere man), and was thrusting and advancing his AC electrical power system. Tesla gave us the rotating magnetic field that made modern generators possible, invented the practical induction motor, invented radio, and many other things. But when an economic depression hit, Westinghouse was headed for bankruptcy – and to save him, Tesla tore up his lucrative contract with him. In one swoop, Tesla wrote off hundreds of millions of dollars, to save his friend Westinghouse.

This allowed Morgan to enter the picture. Morgan advanced some funds for Tesla’s tower project, but required Tesla to sign over 51% of all his (Tesla’s) inventions to Morgan. That gave him iron control over them, and thus over what Tesla could do. Then he simply refused to advance the rest of the funds to Tesla, and Tesla essentially went broke on his Tower project.

So as of 1892, Morgan had assured the decimation of Maxwell’s theory to prevent our sharp young future engineers from every thinking, designing, building, and deploying those asymmetrical Maxwellian power systems that could have been self-powering from the active medium directly (much analogous to a windmill-powered generator system).

Then to their horror (and Morgan’s anger), Heaviside – who never attended university but was brilliant and self-taught – was one of the two men (along with Poynting) who simultaneously and independently discovered the flow of EM energy through space. Poynting was a professor and published prestigiously, but never considered anything except that small fraction of the actual energy flow that gets diverged into the wires to power up the electrons. In addition to that flow, Heaviside also discovered a startling giant curled EM energy flow component accompanying every feeble Poynting component, but trillions of times greater in magnitude. However, since it normally is not diverged and does not interact, it NORMALLY does nothing at all (i.e., in any SPECIAL RELATIVISTIC situation). Heaviside electrodynamics and Poynting energy flow are completely special relativistic.

But it simply would not do for our EEs to be made aware of – and taught – the fact that any generator already pours out trillions of times as much real energy as is caught by the external circuit. If the EEs were taught that fact, then some of the sharp young ones would eventually find a way to extract some of that raging but curled form giant Heaviside energy flow.

So that had to be thrown out also. Again Lorentz was impressed, and in 1900 he introduced a very neat little integration trick that discarded the giant Heaviside curled energy flow component, but retained the diverged Poynting energy flow component.

And that cute little integration trick got added into EE also, so that all mention of the giant Heaviside curled energy flow component just disappeared from all textbooks, curricula, etc.

With the suppression of Tesla and the suppression of all “energy from the active spatial medium” systems from the Heaviside-Lorentz equations, Morgan’s suppression of those threats was complete.

And for more than a century, this horribly flawed mess that Morgan arranged, is still what is taught to all our electrical power engineers. The result has been a “mystique” surrounding that decrepit old model, and a vast set of lies being taught to all our EEs to thoroughly “brainwash” them.

So the real problem is the dogmatic adherence of the scientific community to a model known to contain blatant errors and falsities – and which was so crippled and mutilated specifically to prevent the kinds of systems the overunity systems inventors and researchers seek to build.

Also, the huge cartels that sprang from Morgan, Rockefeller, and others are still ongoing and active. And they have also been actively suppressing all such overunity “energy from the vacuum” systems for 100 years. If you get close to finishing such a unit and putting it into production, you can be assassinated, framed on legal charges (such as rape, etc.), or “meet with a sudden suicide” on your way to the grocery store.

And inventors are still being killed, threatened and bought off, etc.

If the sad old EE model is corrected and updated, you also get a startling new picture of disease, and a specific way of curing almost all the dread diseases. The actual method was stumbled onto by Prioré in France in the 1930s, where he cured terminal tumors and infectious diseases very successfully in lab animals (thousands of scientific experiments) and documented in the standard French medical literature. Prioré was also suppressed. While he knew HOW to make a unit to do the healing, he had no knowledge of the actual mechanism at work, and neither did anyone else.

The point is, the big Pharmaceutical cartels also are absolutely determined that the sad old electrical engineering is going to stay exactly as it is.

That’s a gist of what waits for one in this arena.

It isn’t “group organization” that is the problem. That will not do the trick, and it never would. Plus which, all an inventor has is his invention, nothing else. Since the scientific community condemns any power engineering system outside standard EM theory, then the Patent Office is very loath to grant a patent in this area. One can only be obtained at great difficulty and great expense and perseverance.

So that is the situation.

My own personal situation is that I can only stand about two minutes and walk about 100 feet. My wife is invalid and I also care for her 24/7 essentially. I shop for groceries in a supermarket offering electric scooters for folks like me who cannot stand long enough to do the shopping. Etc. The biological warfare modified mycoplasma I caught while in the active military and stationed in Canada (where our folks made it and sprayed it), did a number on me for 33 years before anyone found out what I had. It generated a heart attack in 2001, and I finally got information on what I had and got a definitive test at the end of 2001 that proved it. 2002 was my years on antibiotics, to get rid of the mycoplasma buried in my red blood cells, feeding off the hemoglobin, and dramatically reducing the ability of the blood to take on and transport oxygen. I still take my own remedial oxygen daily, and pay for it myself. Then in 2003 my wife had a stroke, which scrambled many of her brain connections. She is functional, but weakened and I have to care for her daily.

So my own time has just about run its course. Meanwhile, in 35 years of hard work, and fortunately working with several inventors who did have legitimate, working overunity systems, I have slowly gathered together the gist of the physics (from many areas of physics, most all compartmented from each other) that is required to describe energy from the vacuum systems. A few theorists have looked at some of it and done already magnificent work toward a new EM theory. E.g., to see rigorous proof that eliminating that arbitrary Lorentz symmetry condition from the Heaviside equations does permit asymmetric systems receiving and using excess energy currents from the vacuum, see M. W. Evans et al., “Classical Electrodynamics without the Lorentz Condition: Extracting Energy from the Vacuum,” Physica Scripta, Vol. 61, 2000, p. 513 -517.

“Abstract: It is shown that if the Lorentz condition is discarded, the Maxwell-Heaviside field equations become the Lehnert equations, indicating the presence of charge density and current density in the vacuum. The Lehnert equations are a subset of the O(3) Yang-Mills field equations. Charge and current density in the vacuum are defined straightforwardly in terms of the vector potential and scalar potential, and are conceptually similar to Maxwell’s displacement current, which also occurs in the classical vacuum. A demonstration is made of the existence of a time dependent classical vacuum polarization which appears if the Lorentz condition is discarded. Vacuum charge and current appear phenomenologically in the Lehnert equations but fundamentally in the O(3) Yang-Mills theory of classical electrodynamics. The latter also allows for the possibility of the existence of vacuum topological magnetic charge density and topological magnetic current density. Both O(3) and Lehnert equations are superior to the Maxwell-Heaviside equations in being able to describe phenomena not amenable to the latter. In theory, devices can be made to extract the energy associated with vacuum charge and current.” [M. W. Evans et al., “Classical Electrodynamics without the Lorentz Condition: Extracting Energy from the Vacuum,” Physica Scripta, Vol. 61, 2000, p. 513.].

And so on.

Anyway, that is my situation, and what I believe is the situation with the free energy field. The cartels and our scientific community are going to keep it suppressed, until this nation goes right down the tubes from a giant economic collapse that will curl one’s hair. That may even happen later this year, if the MidEast explodes and all the rest of the MidEast oil is abruptly cut off from the U.S. and Western Europe.

Anyway, good luck to you and I wish you well in your endeavors.

Best wishes,

Tom Bearden

5/02/2007 10:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had a black helicopter fly directly over my house yesterday evening an hour before sunset. I took the dog out for her last leak of the day and I heard the rumbling in the distance as it approached. It was flying very low and could have dropped a bundle on my house if it was so inclined. Granted, its path took it over many houses....not just mine...but still, the local take-off pattern from the International Airport flies directly over my home...but from another direction from which the helicopter came. I always wonder what the odds are that I would choose a home where planes could literally fly directly over my house when the airport is 40 miles away. Do I have a homing beacon in my home? Nah....it's just one of those things, I'm sure. Karma, perhaps?

Anyhow, there could be alien visitors, or alien life all around us and we wouln't even know it. The visual cortex has significant limitations...so it's not by sight alone that we will first know. It would require a concerted effort of all our senses working in tandem with the processing power of our severely limited brains to ferret out anomolous patterns to our current perception of reality.

One thing is for certain. As a species, we are easily directed and corraled. Perhaps we are zoo animals for a higher life form and don't even know it (Truman Showesque). That would be a blast, wouldn't it? "They" are sitting back taking bets as to whether or not we will annihilate ourselves whilst we strut around thinking we're special or unique in the Universe...or Universes.

5/02/2007 10:56:00 AM  
Blogger brenda said...

Just a note, I am firmly in the Richard Dawkins camp. Nevertheless, I like what Jeff writes and I like exploring the limits of what we know. I need evidence though, real evidence and not fantasy. I think that RI and Jeff's blog here are out of balance. There needs, in my opinion, to be a little more emphasis on the "Rational" end. The "Intuitive" end is emphasized too much.

Belliosto said...
"String Theory, - delusional, Inverse Square Law of Gravitation, - delusional. We are all, even the smart people like you Brenda, working through delusions."

No Belliosto, I'm sorry but you are wrong. We have good rational, scientific evidence for gravity and modern physics. These are not delusions. In regard to John Smith it is far more likely that he made that up than that angels descended and gave them to him.

ericswan said...
Try not to spam the comments, it's very rude. A link would be more polite. I'm sorry, but the green orbs really are lens flares. They really are. And the other about free energy has been thuroughly refuted. Tom Bearden is a fraud and a scam artist. He has never, ever produced a single overunity device nor are his theories at all valid. They are utter nonsense.

Shrubageddon said...
No, you don't have a homing beacon in your home, that is your disease talking. It's better if you don't listen to it. And the odds are pretty good that there is a training facility at the airport and that what you are seeing is most likely a teacher and student. Around here they take a C7 out for a spin several days a week at dusk. The equipment needs to be kept up and properly maintained you know.

5/02/2007 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I'm not begrudging you your predilection and fixation on the the shadows cast in Plato's Cave, and I ask that you reciprocate and refrain from begrudging me my penchant for not only investigating what or whom cast the shadows of which you are so enthralled, but also, what lies outside of Plato's Cave.

My disease? Thank you...I consider that a compliment.

5/02/2007 12:13:00 PM  
Blogger hoi polloi said...

They are already here. Have been for hundreds of years. And they have already genetically infiltrated the population so that they are now part of us.

5/02/2007 01:02:00 PM  
Blogger brenda said...

Shrub - I mean no disrespect, I have to watch myself as I suffer from depression. So I self monitor and try to see those times when my disease, my depression, gets in the way and asserts itself too much. I am trying to gently suggest that you do the same.

I believe that some people get caught in "mental traps". They get wrongly labeled by society. I don't wish to label, but I don't want to play games and pretend that a delusion or paranoid thought are anything other than what they are. If a person thinks that perfectly camouflaged ufos cover the night sky, that is a delusion. It isn't true and I won't disrespect that person by treating them like a child and pretending it isn't.

The rest of what you're saying is nonsense. We are not in Plato's cave and even if we were that was 2500 years ago. In the meantime science and the scientific method has lead us out of that cave and into the bright sunlight of the real world. You and others may chose to remain there, that's your choice.

I want to repeat, I don't think that science, which is just another word for knowledge you know, must always have the last word. I am not a scientific fundamentalist. Even so, I really need some kind of, you know, actual evidence before I go off believing that "They are already here. Have been for hundreds of years."

Ok, fine, prove it.

5/02/2007 02:35:00 PM  
Blogger tazmic said...

Shrub, let me ask some questions, (I have enough to go around):

What do we get if we mix 'Plato's cave' with 'box's within box's'?

Isn't this blog a great means of casting ever more fascinating shadows?

What happens when everything becomes a shadow and the only thing left is the light?

And where then is the window for political action to climb in through?

Brenda. Science is responsible for one of the biggest refractions of the light, of the last 2500 years, in this little cave of ours.

Are you sure you're not a fundy? You seem pretty quick to equate not understanding something with it being nonsense. (But it's clear that you are disturbed by this too)

5/02/2007 03:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am trying to gently suggest that you do the same.

Why do you assume I don't do so myself? Do you think that I subscribe to every theory deposited here? I don't, but I entertain the ideas. I give them a chance. I chew on them for a while. I'm not fond of bandwagons, though, so you won't see me on one.

I think it is entirely plausible that we are in Plato's Cave...it's an analogy (and an apt one, at that), afterall, and it's every bit as applicable today as it was 2500 years prior.

IC will be along shortly to school you on your affinity for the religion of science. My experience with rationalists is that they easily substitute one focus of worship for another. That's a generalization, of course. There are exceptions to that rule...perhaps you can be one of them.

5/02/2007 03:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Excellent questions, but they're really one question, IMHO.

I also think it is entirely plausible that it's Plato's Caves within, or adjoining Plato's Caves. In otherwords, you may escape one cave only to enter another and another and another and so one and so on. Perhaps escape is the wrong word. The possibility that the caves are endless shouldn't preclude the journey...because that's where all the fun is...in the pursuit of what may, or may not be.

5/02/2007 03:31:00 PM  
Blogger tazmic said...


You're right of course, it's all the same question. Perhaps the same meta-shadow?

And discovering appropriate & justifying questions, to pin on that mysterious, un-named question mark carried around within, is the fuel for the flame.

Without that, it's all delightful, peaches & cream...

But as long as it's there, as you say, it's the journey that matters, the exploration of the possible, perhaps even, the refusal to sit still.

5/02/2007 04:04:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

In the meantime science and the scientific method has lead us out of that cave and into the bright sunlight of the real world.


Are you serious? Really? Do you have any idea of how science works--the peer reviewed paper tunnel, the corporate funding of research, the accretion of dogma over...knowledge? Is one to assume that Tom Bearden is the only alternative to Reason? I don't even know where to start; Dawkins makes an interesting target of himself, but I don't really feel like attacking you or your belief system...Hmmm. How about this. You check out what Bibhas De has to say about the amazing world of physics and see if the open mind of the true scientist admits some new light. (You might want to check his credentials, too.)

Then, if you're still interested in an impartial search for truth, maybe a little Bill Kötke, who describes quite nicely how science is in the service of empire. Then, if you've got any room for dessert, you might top it all off with this quote from the great Max Planck, who, after listening to Viktor Schauberger's assertion that our technologies and the civilization they support are aimed in precisely the wrong direction, since they do not seek to understand and copy nature, but instead to dominate and impose their own, self-serving and arbitrary regimen upon nature in the most reckless and destructive manner possible:

"Science has nothing to do with Nature."

If you're still not convinced that science is a corrupt orthodoxy, you could do worse than to read this page on the suppression of real science, or maybe this one on the scientific establishment's reaction to the first heavier-than-air flight. (You did know it was "impossible," right?)

After you've gone through all of that, then we can get down to brass tacks about why the current scientific paradigm is so wrong-headed (helpful hint: it's an absurdly reductionist parody of the search for truth, limited by its mechanistic/materialist bias.) And then after that, we can talk about how to reconcile this version of science with the promising but admittedly rather "undisciplined" holism which seeks the connections between living processes.

But first you'll have to suspend belief--you know, keep an open mind--long enough to consider all these arguments. Godspeed!

5/02/2007 04:13:00 PM  
Blogger tazmic said...

How's the IC links coming along Cuttle? ;)

5/02/2007 05:19:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Links are scary--they keep disappearing as fast as I post them (not that I'm paranoid or anything.)

and now for something completely different...recognition?!

"Go ahead, name your movement. Name something good and positive and pro-environment and eco-friendly that's happening right now in the newly "greening" America and don't say more guns in Texas or fewer reproductive choices for women or endless vile unwinnable BushCo wars in the Middle East lasting until roughly 2075 because that would defeat the whole point of this perky little column and destroy its naive tone of happy rose-colored sardonic optimism. OK?" Read on...

5/02/2007 05:27:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Since I was dumb enough to help disseminate the cell-phone theory of bee demise, a correction is in order.

BELTSVILLE, Md. (AP) - The answer to what happened to America's vanishing honeybees is simple, a caller told entomologist May Berenbaum: Bee rapture. They were called away to heaven.

No, wait, it's Earth's magnetic field, another caller told the University of Illinois professor.

And when Berenbaum went on the Internet, she found a parody news site that quoted her as blaming rapper Kevin Federline and his concerts for the disappearance of the bees. Berenbaum loved it.

The sudden disappearance of one-quarter of America's honeybees has brought out some strange ideas and downright myths.

"I just can't get any work done," Berenbaum said. "I'm overwhelmed by e-mails. I can't keep up."

A couple of bee myths are big on the Internet.

A small German scientific study looking at a specific type of cordless phones and homing systems of bees exploded over the Internet and late night television shows. It morphed into erroneous reports blaming cell phones for the honeybee die-off, which scientists are calling Colony Collapse Disorder.

The scientist who wrote the paper, Stefan Kimmel, e-mailed The Associated Press to say that there is "no link between our tiny little study and the CCD-phenomenon ... anything else said or written is a lie." And U.S. Department of Agriculture top bee researcher Jeff Pettis laughs at the idea, because whenever he goes out to investigate dead bees, he cannot get a signal on his cell phone because the hives are in such remote areas.

Also on the Internet is a quote attributed to Albert Einstein on how humans would die off in four years if not for honeybees. It's wrong on two counts.

First, Einstein probably never said it, according to Alice Calaprice, author of "The Quotable Einstein" and five other books on the physicist.

"I've never come across it in anything Einstein has written," Calaprice said. "it could be that someone had made it up and put Einstein's name on it."

Second, it's incorrect scientifically, Pettis said. There would be food left for humans because some food is wind-pollinated.

For his part, Pettis jokes that the bees are out creating crop circles "and it's working them to death."

5/02/2007 06:32:00 PM  
Blogger brenda said...

Shrubageddon said...
"Why do you assume I don't do so myself? Do you think that I subscribe to every theory deposited here?"

That's not what I'm talking about.

iridescent cuttlefish said...
Are you serious? Really?

Yes, Really. Perhaps you have some other way to know what is other than by hypothesis - experiment - repeat? That is the scientific method and on that bedrock I build my foundation. Everything else is shifting sand. (Yeah, I know, kinda cheesy, I like it though and I want to introduce a little humor too.)

I don't really feel like attacking you or your belief system

Have I attacked you? All I have done is to politely state my beliefs. How about instead of "attack" you look at it as "vigorous debate"? That is how I see my role and the truth comes out through the process. The body of knowledge that we call "science" does not descend from the heavens to be placed on our trembling tongues. No, it swells up from below, from the collective actions of generation after generation of ordinary people.

Is our current scientific community corrupt? I don't know. They could be. If they are that hardly nullifies my position. You don't really know "my belief system" anyway. Please do me the courtesy of asking me what it is I think, feel or believe and try not to tell me who you think I am. You don't know me, I don't know you.

"Science has nothing to do with Nature."

This is total BS. I can pull out isolated quotes too. Science is really a conversation with nature. Mankind asks a question; "Does the Sun orbit the Earth or is it the other way around?" No amount of navel gazing, no drug, no trance, no single man (or woman) can answer that question. Only Nature can.

I understand that you would like to ask different questions. This is great! By all means go ahead. I mean, hey, I can read Utne reader too ya know.

5/02/2007 08:04:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Richard..I accept your mea culpa and by way of making amends, I suggest you be asked to consider the effects of HAARP and recent doubling of capacit(ors)y. Given that the purported effect of HAARP is to disorient the human species, is it not possible that that effect could indeed disorient the bees?

Brenda, you have convinced me that the green orbs are simply an aberration of glass. Since you didn't attack my statements concerning chemtrails, I consider you to be an ally in the fight for truth. As far as wafting Bearden's comments into the debate, I remain stiffened in my my resolve that the truth is out there; it's just being suppressed.

The question of Bearden's over-unity devices being fraudulent seems to me to be excessive in it's conviction but is duly noted. Bearden may not have been able to pull the thread that unravels the universe but he has lifted the veil on others that were more successful in that avenue of inquiry.

5/02/2007 08:05:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

IC.. I couldn't disaggree more. Not only is your link completely off topic but in my experience, it is the new propaganda. Hippies should never be clumped together as a cohesive group or movement.
Right all along? Hardly. The greening of America with energy efficient bulbs full of mercury or organic foods versus local foods full of petro-dollars and big box solutions; carbon credits and hippies seems to be a malapropism but that's just me.
Sex and drugs and rock n' roll were and are the escape from responsibility that is so desperately needed to conserve and steward this planet for the human race. Hippies didn't lead the fight then and shouldn't be the example now.

5/02/2007 08:35:00 PM  
Blogger Hotblueglue said...

A Chinese saying regarding ghosts seems very relevant to this discussion: "If you believe it, there will be, but if you don't, there will not." This statement may seem absurd, but I think it's absurdly simple while still being wholly insightful. Brenda: demanding hard, concrete evidence of alien intelligences seems like a fruitless persuit to me. I don't think it works that way. It's like the quantum snafu of only being able to observe the stars with telescopes we humans create. The metaphysical, non-tangible, infinite element of belief (or faith, but that word smacks of too many religious conotations for my taste) is the one factor that, in my opinion, may grant us entry into alternate realities or enable us to commune with separate intelligences. Psychedelics like DMT are a shortcut. Don't be naive, non-consensual reality is as "real" as the stone-cold reality you choose to live in.

5/02/2007 08:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


If you would have applied the Scientific Method, you never would have clung to that theory without the requisite evidence. :-)

When I was young, it took me a long time to get past the fact that you couldn't just plug a power device in the ground. The answers I received weren't satisfactory....and they still aren't, in a certain respect. I acquiesced and ultimately accepted it, if only passively, and now I have come to know that you can plug a power device into the ground to give it energy. The idea was squashed in me early on only to be revived and squashed again in another way....knowing it is possible, physically, but next to impossible, socio-politically.

5/02/2007 08:51:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

As a dedicated reader and infrequent poster, I'd first like to add my voice to the chorus of 'welcome back's. I really love this blog and the comments it attracts.

Try as I might to keep an my mind open to esoteric possibilities, I can't accept that UFOs are of extraterrestrial or extradimensional origin until I can rule out more mundane possibilities, even if they may seem to be equally outlandish.

I've recently been reading about Nazi occultism and accounts of divergent German science in the Nazi era. And I wonder whether the answer may lie somewhere there in the application of ancient, occulted science, being carried on by a continuation of the Nazi movement. Project paperclip, the control of the CIA and NASA by former Nazi scientists, the hints of a shadowy occult presence behind world events -- these all lead to something like Mae Brussell's theories and even Montauk.

So if I am led to wonder whether if there is something to this, does it maybe explain enough to eliminate the need for alien beings to account for the strange phenonomena often associated with UFOs?

5/02/2007 11:30:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

ericswan, I'm afraid I don't have the expertise to either refute or agree with your HAARP claims.


I will give you this though, until you mentioned chem-trails I never gave them much thought. But one day, about a month ago, the first real warm day that we had in southwestern PA, I took my two youngest for an early morning walk. Crystal blue skies & not a cloud to be seen. The only thing marring this idyllic panorama were the 43 chem-trails, I know because I counted them, in various states of decay. As I was counting them I noticed 3 high flying planes making 3 new ones right in front of my eyes.
To say that I was dumbfounded would be an understatement.

& Shrub, I stand suitably chastised.

5/03/2007 12:02:00 AM  
Blogger brenda said...

ericswan --

I believe that the Air Force is up to no good. I don't know what they're doing but I do know that the Chancellor of Germany (the one that Bush groped) admitted to GreenPeace that chemtrails are real. And then all of a sudden GreenPeace shut up when before they were putting up a fuss about them.

I had this thought once, let me float it by... maybe, just maybe there is someone in the shadow government that actually knows what they are doing. Maybe they decided long ago that all politicians are clueless dumbfucks who won't act on global warming until it's too late. So they just went ahead and started this program of laying down these so-called chemtrails. Now, we know that clouds cool the Earth, maybe that's the idea? They are only made of barium and ALU salts you know. It's a thought anyway.

BTW. I had a look at that guys page (ugghhh, my eyes!), that Bibhas De guy. He seems to know what he is talking about but I certainly can't say if he is right or wrong. Nine times out of ten these guys turn out to be crackpots and there are a million of them on the web. He doesn't seem to be one to me but what do I know.

He is wrong that the theory that photons might have a very small amount of mass has been suppressed. It hasn't and I have heard of it before. If you really want to read about mind blowing things just read Science or Nature. They talk about time traveling electrons or quantum teleportation all the time. There is even this young kid, twenty something years old, who has a theory that time doesn't even exist. He has, apparently, raised a few eyebrows among theoretical physicist. But his ideas are untested and unproven so far.

Hotblueglue said...
demanding hard, concrete evidence of alien intelligences seems like a fruitless persuit to me.

It does to me too, in fact, it sounds absolutely Quixotic. And I don't live in a "stone cold reality". That is just your idea of who I am. I am just putting the emphasis on the rational end of things because, like I said, I feel things are out of balance too much the other way. And because I believe that it is only through rational debate from opposing sides that the truth can be found. If I push hard for rational explanations that is why.

5/03/2007 12:49:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Chemtrails are international. Here's a link for short one page flyer PDFs, one about chemtrails, one a timeline about HAARP implications of chemtrails:

Chemtrails Flyer (PDF, 135k)


"Timeline, 1994 to Present--with HAARP connections" (115k)


This other link has a timeline from 1946.


5/03/2007 01:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many of the ancient texts document the existence of spiritual and or alien beings. Scientific theories such as evolution explain the phenomena of created things. Not one of these theories covers all the ground. Maybe more ground than any other but not all ground. Criticism of documentary evidence taken from manuscripts that state spiritual/alien beings exist is the scientific approach we take to know the absolute reality of this. For example the Word of God claims to cover all the ground. Human assumptions and reasoning weakens this claim. This "Higher Criticism" is an agenda pushed today which denies the inspiration of the Scriptures. Therefore the study of theology is corrupted by this agenda and the age old texts passed down to us are considered unreliable scientifically. Which I am in disagreement.

We also have proofs of alien influence through the spirit world. Tapping into the spirit beings of the Ouji boards. I believe many of the stories told about the Parker Bros. game. A lot of spooky stories. We can act so ridiculous with other people and wonder later why we behaved this way. And the answer is barely explained. This may have to do with the influence of spiritual beings but I am speculating.

The ancient texts explain these alien beings are much more intelligent than we are. And much more dominant. This is taken within perspective and context. This truth allows me to live more peacefully in my environment and not point my finger at alien beings everytime I hear a leaf tumbling with the wind.

5/03/2007 04:05:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Brenda, do you consider that the spiritual and the material are fundamentally different?

This may make no sense to you as you likely consider that the 'spiritual' has no substance or existence at all. Correct me if i am wrong. Still, it IS the initial assumption that serves to frame modern science.

(Your) Rationality is sound within the constraints of this model. Yet that initial premise, while providing rich opportunity to develop physical science and analytical thinking, also introduces a new barrier to seeing reality 'as it is', or Absolute Truth.

Consider gravity as the form. The application of the Inverse Square Law to Gravity is an attempt to give substance to an empty form. It was a good job, but it does not follow that this essentially first attempt produced Absolute Truth.


5/03/2007 08:05:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

For all who really think that the spiritual is immaterial, listen to these, concerning ORME (orbitally rearranged monoatomic elements), and where in the periodic table they have a penchant for cropping up, as well as the physical effects of how zero point energies intersect with them for some rather interesting effects--on this page. Download the little mp3's.

"Listen to David Hudson tell the story of his "Science Adventure."
Watch David Hudson in your mind, as he becomes a "True Wizard" during his Grand Adventure of Discovery.

("Presented for the layman by a layman" — David Hudson — Cotton Farmer )

"David Hudson at the Ranch" — November 16, 1995

Part One - mp3 Part Two - mp3 Part Three - mp3 Part Four - mp3

Discussions of Science Journal References and Test Results
Part Five - mp3 Part Six - mp3 Part Seven - mp3 Part Eight - mp3 Part Nine - mp3

Meisner Field Excerpt


then elsewhere at this other page:

The Second Part of Hudson's "David Hudson at the Ranch" Lecture, parts 1-4 mp3's then 13 short question section mp3's.


It gets zany near the close dealing with Biblical history interpretations from limited information, though at least you'll see why the whole spiritual/material dichotomy is a pointless cultural product of the way European science started out several hundred years ago on the ideological premise that it wasn't a material science issue...

The whole "spiritual vs. material" dichotomy is a strawman argument. And Dawkins is one of the bigger scarecrows made of that straw in this generation.

5/03/2007 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger Peregrino said...

UFOs of any kinds can be explained as electromagnetic phenomena for which human beings at their present stage of evolution have no context. Lacking a context the survival instinct creates a context, usually of the supernatural variety. The post-WWII cargo cults of New Guinea suggest that the "truth" behind the UFO phenomenon, whatever it is, is drearily commonplace in the larger context.

5/03/2007 12:06:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

Hey, who's gonna VOTE OBAMA!?

5/03/2007 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger Tsoldrin said...

What's wrong with science? Are the people knocking science just a little peeved because it doesn't take your pet theories seriously, or worse, debunks them?

As far as I can see, the problems with science are really just problems with society itself and endemic to all fields.

In general, science works the way it's supposed to. Slowly and methodically. Treating every wacky idea equally, even when many of them are mutually exclusive, or giving ideas weight because they 'sound good' or are popular would only serve to make less of long proven theories arrived at through scientific concensus. That wouldn't be science, that would be the internet (or maybe the truth movement).

UFO stuff... I don't know why it must be assumed that they originate extraterestrially. Look at the awesome space age airplanes we're still using and date from 30 years ago... and that's just the one's we know about. Imagine then, what they've developed in the last 30 years, which in technological time has been an age encompasing the rise and fall of empires. I'm sure the stuff they have is utterly mind blowing. Mix in the straight up hoaxes and simple optical illisions (often enhanced by camera lenses) and it doesn't leave much as 'unexplained'.

Don't get me wrong, I'm certain there is life and intelligent life out there. I just find it unlikely that it's here. Also, even if you discounted everything else, in the end there is still no reason to leap to the extraterestrial solution because the far more likely explanation there would point to an ancient, highly advanced EARTH-BASED civilization.

What's so damn interesting about this tiny marble in the backwoods of the milky way?

5/03/2007 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...


I think you've missed my point, but only because you were in debate mode--as I said, I was not trying to change your mind or convert you to my way of thinking. I was just trying to get you to consider my POV on its own merits, with the famously open mind of the true scientist.

So...when you say that science might be corrupt but so what, isn't that just a bit like saying that the media might be controlled by interests who don't have our interests in mind but so what? Or that our political structure might be corrupt but at least we still have government? Since this discussion has included the topic of free energy, I'll try again from that angle. The role that orthodoxy and dogma play in the "Hunt for Zero Point" illustrates quite nicely the illusory nature of the progress of science in which you seem to place such faith.

If you accept the basic premise of Jeff Vail's Theory of Market Power that I quoted in the last thread:

The “free market” will ignore solutions that can’t turn a profit. Any firm that fails to follow this simple maxim won’t be in business for long. The corollary to this maxim is that the free market will ignore any solution that cannot be controlled, either through property interests (enforceable intellectual property, monopoly licenses, etc.) or because economies of scale demand centralized operation. This means that free market innovation is structurally incompatible with a huge portion of the universe of possible energy solutions.

and, further, that science is firmly in the grip of its funding sources and is constrained by the house of cards that is the Standard View (Einstein's world), then you cannot expect such an orthodoxy to either reconsider the basic tenents of its canon or to investigate the work of Tesla and Schauberger with anything approaching an open mind. Not only do "market forces" (which can be freely interpreted as the intent of the well-entrenched monopolists) regard such possibilities as free energy as a direct threat to their power, but their stable of domesticated science guys also have a vested interest in not re-examining the foundations of their monopoly on knowledge.

While I'm also skeptical of Tom Bearden (especially in his anti-communist, pro-Israeli Cold War politics), and despite the fact that there is a vast gulf separating him from Tesla, the version of events he describes in the story of J.P. Morgan, George Westinghouse and the Wall Street cabal is essentially correct, as is his story of the role of Heaviside & Hertz in the Rape of Maxwell's equations. This is a short bio of Tesla that is even-handed and definitely not from the fringe that we occupy here at RI. (Margaret Cheney's Tesla: Man Out of Time is probably still the best full-length biography.)

When you learn a little about Tesla's vision, not to mention the astounding array of seminal patents he was awarded, coupled with the well-documented fact that the FBI confiscated his papers when he died (or lay dying, depending on how far you're willing to go with that line of thought), it is more than slightly suspicious that the scientific orthodoxy has no interest whatsoever in following the trail he blazed. When professional skeptics smugly tell us that his radiant energy theory (the framework for the free energy for all mankind, not just the Owners, that was his highest ambition) is "impossible" because it violates the second law of thermodynamics, we should take a step back and ask, "Wait a minute, didn't science tell us that other things were impossible that turned out not to be true?"

The examples of such instances are many. What they illustrate is two-fold: the inability of the Orthodoxy to consider ("see," measure, evaluate, etc) anything outside the conventions of science (based on the categorical limitations that Sounder talks about) and the defensive posturing of an enitity that is more interesting in preserving its own power than any altruistic "search for truth."

Lastly, there's the case of Viktor Schauberger, Tesla's cosmic twin. That quote I gave you from Max Planck, Hitler's one-time science advisor, was not "isolated"--I gave you the context in which it occurred and was hoping, perhaps naively, that you would sense not only its meaning but also the ramifications of the POV it represents. Of course it's bullshit! That's the point.

This is also where I lost you, ericswan. What Schauberger did was to directly intuit, through a life of careful observation as an old-style Austrian forester, the motive power of Nature, just like the hippies, except with more rigor and with the much more profound result of an understanding of not only how Nature works (the implosive/creative principle, as opposed to the explosive/destructive principle upon which all our machines are built) but also how we can live in such a way as to harness the power of Nature without dominating and destroying it. Also like Tesla, and unlike the hippies, his vision produced practical results.

You don't even need Planck's tellingly stupid remark ("Science has nothing to with Nature") to understand how well Schauberger's book (Our Senseless Toil: the Cause of the World Crisis) and his theories went over with the scientific world and its bosses. Kind of hard to embrace the concept of Living Energies and copying Nature in peaceful harmony when you're working for the world-killing social Darwinist elite. It's the mostly unreported struggle between responsible, liberating, egalitarian abundance and wasteful, controlling, hierarchical scarcity.

But it's actions that speak louder than words, and I've already used too many of them here in trying to outline a complex situation. Very quickly then, and in summary: the chief significance of Bibhas De is that he's an insider, a renegade scientist who didn't sell his soul to the company and lived to tell the tale of how the orthodoxy works. Tesla & Schauberger were giants whose vision far outstrips the gnat-like selfish concerns of the uniform robots of science (as Dawkins will tell you, since he absolutely believes that consciousness derives solely from matter & physiology). Unfortunately for us, the work of the giants has not been allowed to enrich our lives and save the earth in the process because it is against the interests of those who built and continue to maintain the postwar, modern world.

So, yeah...you can't plug your devices into the ground yet, Shrub, but that's not because it's impossible. For any of you interested in the details of the picture I'm trying to paint here, I'll end with some links which provide them.

Conspiracy and the Hydrocarbon Economy:

Dave West's Low Dishonest Decade

Our own Mark's Bioregionalism & the Raw Materials Regime (Please provide a better link, if you have one handy, Mark.)

The hippie ethic of Viktor Schauberger--
Life-Enhancing Agriculture

The origins of manmade UFOs

Well, there's more, but the horse is probably already dead...

5/03/2007 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...


Didn't see your comment there, as I was busy cramming mine in. In answer to your question, nothing is wrong with the idea of science...it's the practice that's the problem. You do remember what RAW said about dogma in science, right?

I'm not at all anti-science--most of my links are from scientists (of maybe a slightly unusual stripe.) Take this one, where Frans de Waal explains why altruism is a product of natural selection and an innate component of the elusive "human nature" (from Primates and Philosophers: How Morality Evolved.)

5/03/2007 01:57:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

As for what's so special about us...well, as one of our great minds once wrote:

"Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western spiral arm of the galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this, at a distance of roughly ninety million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue-green planet, whose ape descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea." (Small, Green Pieces of Paper, courtesy of PseudoRandom)

In short, nothing much in the great scheme of things, except that MapQuest doesn't really do directions for anywhere else, naturally.

5/03/2007 02:17:00 PM  
Blogger brenda said...

Sounder said...
Brenda, do you consider that the spiritual and the material are fundamentally different?

Spirit stuff, by definition, cannot exist. It is usually defined as that which cannot be seen, felt, touched, heard, tasted or detected by any instrument now or in the future.

Tsoldrin said...
Don't get me wrong, I'm certain there is life and intelligent life out there. I just find it unlikely that it's here.

Don't look now but we just discovered an Earth-like planet a mere 20 lightyears away. So I think the odds that the neighbors might have dropped in to say hi have just gone up a lot.

iridescent cuttlefish said...
So...when you say that science might be corrupt but so what, isn't that just a bit like saying that the media might be controlled by interests who don't have our interests in mind but so what?

Yes, except that the scientific community is different than the media or politics. They have very different traditions and values and most of all, they have the scientific method and Occam's razor. True, they also have political conflicts. Khun made that clear in his "Structure of Scientific Revolutions". And you know, people are people and will be pig headed and stubborn. But in the long run the community is bigger than any one subset of it.

It is also true that there are lots of games being played. I won't deny that.


If Tom Bearden and Tesla and all the rest really are onto to something big where are the results? Because, you know.... you really can't suppress knowledge. It isn't like anyone can stop the universe from giving up it's secrets to anyone that conducts an experiment. There are tons of these kinds of theories all over the net. Page after page of theories explaining how easy it is to do. So where are they?

I'll tell you where, no where, they don't exist. It's a con game.

5/04/2007 01:57:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Sounder said...
Brenda, do you consider that the spiritual and the material are fundamentally different?

Brendas response;

"Spirit stuff, by definition, cannot exist. It is usually defined as that which cannot be seen, felt, touched, heard, tasted or detected by any instrument now or in the future."

Thank-you, this is what i expected.

By Descartes definition, the spiritual has no extension. So you conclude, with stunning anthropocentric reasoning, that accepting it has no extension, it also has no existence. No need then to imagine (or assert) it has extension yet humans cannot find it because our instruments are not refined enough to see the extension.

You are welcome to belong to the club of 'fixed' categories. I prefer science that 'knows' the map is not the territory.

Tsoldren, we do need people like you around here. Thanks.

5/04/2007 07:26:00 AM  
Blogger slomo said...

"Spirit stuff, by definition, cannot exist. It is usually defined as that which cannot be seen, felt, touched, heard, tasted or detected by any instrument now or in the future."

This definition serves only a Cartesian dualism. It is tautological in the sense that it guarantees the nonexistence of any spirit world, but it is operationally useless.

My definition of the word "spiritual" is that which is of a higher order than can be subjected to investigation by repeated experiment. If you accept the *possibility* of intelligences other than or of a higher order than human, then you must accept the possibility that such entities cannot be subject to testing (since they will always outsmart the test, i.e. fuck with your head). I make no claim about the nature of such intelligences (extraterrestrial, ultraterrestrial, Gaia, etc.). But on occasion it is possible to encounter them.

You are of course welcome to sit comfortably in your Cartesian box, but don't pretend that you are somehow closer to truth.

I can't speak to the issue of over-unity devices. I doubt their existence, but I'm open to being convinced otherwise. Knowing how power works in this world, I don't doubt the ability of certain groups of people to suppress such knowledge, should they be motivated to do so.

5/04/2007 09:00:00 AM  
Blogger slomo said...

I would like to add to my previous post...

My definition of the word "spiritual" excludes the "study" of spiritual phenomena, but not their knowledge. But such knowledge must be relational. In the same way that it is possible to know another human being without studying him or her, it is possible to know Nature (including the spiritual world) without subjecting her to study. I would add that the study of other human beings leads to superficial knowledge, but no deep intimacy. So with Nature.

I disagree with this statement as well: "Science is really a conversation with nature." Much (not all) of science is less a conversation and more of a torture session. (See Carolyn Merchant's critiques.)

5/04/2007 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tsoldren, we do need people like you around here. Thanks.

Actually, it is more people like Brenda we need around here, thank you very much.

5/04/2007 12:54:00 PM  
Blogger acl said...

I like where the path IC is nominally on - abundance over scarcity, rejection of over-simplistic cause/effect, questioning everything, always passing it around - but this "Nature" and "spiritual" stuff is pretty screwy.

Of course he he has the fallback that it *could* be true. I don't think it matters unless you can somehow separate endless (idle?) speculation based largely on anectodatl evidence from navel gazing. I really can't.

Not when there the pressing issues of our day are totally wrapped up in the very things he's all over - again those being abundance vs scarcity, woefully inadequate mechanistic worldview being the twin threads that stand out most I guess.

Either "Nature" is pseudo-religious and we have to act based on the well-being of Nature (which not everyone will be able to individually determine - we'll have to be "told") or else it's materialism that vocally rails against materialism (If Nature "is" and everything "is" Nature by definition, what is that BUT materialism)

If its the latter (which I obviously lend more credence to) then I think abandoning some of the flaky calls to "commune" with nature or *worship* Nature or whatever is the next. Its not that those things can't be reiterated in more "cold" terms (communing being a few steps removed from scientific inquiry, worship not far from stewardship, etc)

If we're going to exorcise the Dogma IC, let's do it. That includes the quasi-religous stuff that always disappointingly creeps in to your wonderful contributions here.

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