Tuesday, July 03, 2007

Signs of the Times



Semiotics is concerned with everything that can be taken as a sign. A sign is everything which can be taken as significantly substituting for something else...thus semiotics is in principle the discipline studying everything which can be used in order to lie. If something cannot be used to tell a lie, conversely it cannot be used to tell the truth: it cannot in fact be used "to tell" at all. - Umberto Eco, Theory of Semiotics

I think the only people entitled to be shocked by the commuting of Scooter Libby's sentence are those who were shocked that Libby was sentenced in the first place. Or rather, that it was a second-tier player like Libby and not Rove or Cheney who appeared trussed and basted as the suckling pig of Democrats' scandalously disappointing Fitzmas. It's those constantly incredulous types who deserve the saucepan eyes at Libby's predictable catch and release.

Even so, the Internet reaction is as rich as it is predictable, and ineffectual. Instead of America's streets, America's chatrooms are filled, because its citizens have been given them for the appearance of a commons, and clatter with indignant typing. But 10 million people posting We're not gonna take it anymore! isn't a revolution. It isn't even a Twisted Sister song.

That's the bad news. The good news is it's a Leonard Cohen song.

What hath Bush wrought? If nothing else, he's made semiotics everybody's business, whether everybody realizes it or not. Under the Bush years, the signs by which Americans and much of the Western world have lived have become so evidently estranged from what they allegedly signify that they now suggest little more than the lies told by Power to maintain itself. "Freedom," "democracy," "justice": Everybody knows. Among other things, Bush is the Deconstruction President.

In The Trickster and the Paranormal, George Hansen has this to say:

It is commonly assumed that there is a simple, objective correspondence between the signifier and the signified even thought they are separate entities. It is assumed that language is only a set of names for things, events, and concepts. These assumptions are incorrect, but few recognize the extent of the implications. This lies at the heart of deconstructionism, and magic.

There is power in the act of naming, because it imbues meaning to a thing - or to an event or a concept - that has no necessary correspondence to the thing itself. This was evident even on the morning of September 11, when the event of the attacks receded behind their purported meaning even as they were still under way. And then soon after, the breathless reporting of Bush's confirmation that this means war, albeit against an abstract noun which would nevertheless cost at least hundreds of thousands of actual lives.

[Carrying On, Tues PM:]

From the start there was an institutional incuriousness about the attacks, as there so often is when the institutions themselves benefit by them ("Blair rejects 7/7 inquiry calls"; "Putin rejects public Beslan inquiry"). Naturally any circle of high conspirators would be reluctant to have any light shed on the criminal events they enabled, but there's a far broader circle of reluctance, that partakes of the Power that is enabled by the meaning of the crime. That is, those who stood to benefit by 9/11 were not limited to the relatively small number of perpetrators within the institutions of public life, because the perpetrators themselves partook of the larger circle of institutional power. Much of corporate media, including "alternative" corporate media, became co-conspirators after the fact simply by habit, because they inhabit and thrive within that outer circle. To acknowledge the possibility of a high crime of the magnitude of Kennedy's assassination or 9/11 would be an invitation, not to gentle reform, but to revolution. And institutional power sends out such invitations only when it sees how it can come out on top again.

Event and meaning is also an issue for the 9/11 Movement, which unfortunately has come to mirror some of the White House's most dumbed-down Manichaeism. For the leaders and proponents of the "New Truth" movement, as with the evangelists of the "Official Story," meaning has almost entirely effaced event. For some, the actual crimes of hijacked aircraft striking buildings have vanished all together, and in their place has been substituted "controlled demolition" and something, anything other than Flight 77 striking the Pentagon. Why? Because the actual event is perceived as of insufficient significance to support the sign of "Inside Job."

But that's a failure of political language which doesn't know the nuance of parapolitics, and it is one which allows those inside, to one degree or another, to define our terms for us. What does "Inside Job" mean? It doesn't mean Executive Branch; it doesn't mean, as with other empty jargon, "Bush knew." I've written before that many who push 9/11 as an Inside Job want to push Osama right out of the picture, but bin Laden is himself inside the security-narcotics-terror nexus, composed of factions that interpenetrate one another, which sometimes compete and sometimes strike strategic alliances depending upon what advantages they believe they can gain. Peter Dale Scott recently quoted a Russian general, who said that "9/11 changed the direction of the world in the direction desired by transnational oligarchs and and an international mafia." Scott also said, and I agree, that "I find it very hard to believe that the Bush administration either let or made it happen. It's clear that people within government were involved, but we should avoid condemning an entire administration."

I'd ask any who take exception to my position or to Scott's remark to ponder the course of 9/11 justice after the Bush administration leaves office, while the statecraft of clandestine power which preceded it, remains.

And since its sixtieth anniversary has arrived, complete with the posthumously-unsealed affidavit of Walter Haut, let's consider the sign of Roswell and its significant overshadowing of modern UFOlogy.

What is the meaning of the Roswell story? As told through back channels like Haut (Roswell's former Public Information Officer), the likewise-deceased Lieutenant Colonel Philip Corso and Stephen Greer's "Disclosure Project," the meaning is not so much that aliens are here; it's that the aliens are here and we have them. The US military, according to its own covert stream of UFO disinformation, can shoot down alien craft, keep their dead occupants on ice, negotiate with their comrades and reverse-engineer their technology. The meaning of Roswell is not Fear them; it's Fear us.

The latest addition to the Roswell mythos may be the "dragonfly drones," about which Whitley Strieber recently gushed "I can only surmise that the appearance of the drones, and now the release of materials by Isaac, is a new step in the ongoing experiment that we call contact." (See also Linda Mouton Howe's "Earthfiles.") I was not impressed by the original photographs, and the subsequent materials strike me as a hoax in the tradition of UMMO and MJ-12. Whether the "drones" have official sanction or not, the hoaxers adopt and elaborate upon the sanctioned mythologies of Roswell and reverse engineering.

With respect to UFOs and matters of High Weirdness, my inclination is to give particular attention to the cases that frustrate analysis and appear to be absolute nonsense, because a phenomenon that is truly alien is unlikely to mimic human intelligence. In other words, I suppose, if there's to be weirdness, then bring on the weird. I'm less impressed by Roswell, however many deathbed confessions the military may produce, or
"Isaac" and his scan of an alleged 1986 report from Palo Alto's supposed "CARET" ("Commercial Applications Research for Extraterrestrial Technology"), than I am by accounts from, say, a shaken Mexican policeman who claims he was chased by a flying humanoid; or by John Tasco who was approached one evening in 1957 by a pasty, bug-eyed dwarf in a green suit and a tam-o'-shanter cap who told him "We are peaceful people, we only want your dog." Such events are incursions of the truly alien upon our experience, and defy our attempts to infer meaning.

That's not to say hoaxes and disinformation can't be instructive. For instance, the Issac documents describing the alien tech. On the RI discussion board, "Attack Ships on Fire" points out how, "by drawing certain symbols on the CARET technology it somehow instills the means for the material to perform what the drawer wants." This is sigil magic, which returns us to the power of signs and of reading and meaning, and George Hansen's comparison of deconstructionism to occult science.

So, if the drones are a sanctioned hoax, the meaning it advances is Fear us; we too are sorcerers. And if it isn't, they may be anyway. But so may we, at least in the mundane sense of not adopting their meanings, which empower them, as our own, which disempower us.

188 Comments:

Blogger Danny Tagalog said...

Hope you get time soon, as this taster is intriguing. Firstly, the need for talk to spill out of chatrooms and into Real Space is most urgent, and second, the immediate directing of "what 911 meant" before the smoke faded away.

7/03/2007 07:40:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

It's like somebody left the script in the car or the scroller went apopleptic. CNN Anderson Cooper did the Wilson interview last night and whether it was calculated or not, Wilson called Anderson "Scooter". Of course, Anderson looked his usual "I'm perplexed" but the knife was in and Wilson continued to twist by suggesting that "maybe" you might look at the transcript of the Libby trial and maybe you might even report it. High crimes and misdemeanors aside, just trotting out the nickname "Scooter" was enough story for me.

7/03/2007 09:18:00 AM  
Blogger plectic said...

the map is not the territory ...

7/03/2007 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger lucky said...

But 10 million people posting We're not gonna take it anymore! isn't a revolution. It isn't even a Twisted Sister song.
Thats a recuring theme on this blog- the impotence of people like us who scream and shout online in the virtual world but not a thought about taking to the street for revolution - what a remarkable weapon the internet is.

7/03/2007 10:32:00 AM  
Blogger Abe said...

For further enquiry you may want to have a look into Alfred Korzybski's "Science and Sanity: An Introduction to Non-Aristotelian Systems and General Semantics."

"[Korzybski] began with an 'obvious' fact, but one so large that it had mostly been taken for granted and never adequately explored before; namely, that humans represent a symbol-producing, symbol-using class of life. In other words, the arrangements by which we regulate our lives and the relationships among us are established through the functioning of our symbol systems. Man has created for himself an environment of symbols, and for better or for worse he has to live with them." [Guthrie Janssen]

Korzybski on Symbolism:

http://www.greylodge.org/occultreview/glor_009/symbol.htm

"When we say 'our rulers', we mean those who are engaged in the manipulation of symbols. There is no escape from the fact that they do, and that they always will, rule mankind, because we constitute a symbolic class of life, ..."

"The hope for the future consists in the understanding of this fact; namely, that we shall always be ruled by those who rule symbols, ..."

"We would then demand that our rulers should be enlightened and carefully selected. Paradoxical as it may seem, such researches as the present work attempts, will ultimately do more for the stabilization of human affairs than legions of policemen with machine guns, and bombs, and jails, and asylums for the maladjusted."

"A complete list of our rulers is difficult to give; yet, a few classes of them are quite obvious. Bankers, priests, lawyers and politicians constitute one class and work together. They do not produce any value, but manipulate values produced by others, and often pass signs for no values at all."

"It must be emphasized again that as long as we remain humans, (which means a symbolic class of life), the rulers of symbols will rule us, and that no amount of revolution will ever change this. But what mankind has a right to ask - and the sooner the better - is that our rulers should not be so shamelessly ignorant and, therefore, pathological in their reactions. If a psychiatrical and scientific inquiry were to be made upon our rulers, mankind would be appalled at the disclosures."

Best,

Abe

7/03/2007 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Talk about symbolism.

The issue is that Bush does not have the power of commutation--which is a judicial power and a power of only governors.

He's just talking himself into acting out what he claims are his Constitutional powers, though what he is doing is obstruction of justice--jumping into a STILL ONGOING APPEAL FRAMEWORK around Libby. Some assorted clips I have put together:

Commutation is a Power for Governors Not Presidents
Submitted by Anonymous on 2 July 2007 - 7:43pm.

No Federal Caselaw supports this illegal assertion of non-delegated Judicial Power.

Only Two Options: The President illegally created a new, third option outside what the Framers intended. This option only exists for Governors.

The President has two options in re Libby: To issue a reprieve or a pardon. Neither was done.

"he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."

Article II

There is no mention of "commutation" in the Constitution, only pardons and reprieves. The three are not the same.

Definitions

All actions related to the Libby commutation fall outside the Constitution.

Reprieve: "postpone the punishment of a convicted criminal, such as an execution" -- The President did not do this, but gave him "half a pardon". This is illegal--Nothing was postponed; some of the sentence was ignored.

Pardon: "forgiveness: the act of excusing a mistake or offense. This was not done.

Commutation: The reduction of a sentence, as from death to life imprisonment. This was not lawfully done; the President was delegated no power to do this. He may only issue pardons or grant reprieves.

Conclusions

1. Non-delegated

The President asserted a non-delegated judicial power. The Constitution and no precedent supports this action. The "commutation" option does not exist in the US Constitution, only at a State level by governors.

2. Unlawful action

The President has illegally reduced the sentence of Libby. He has the power to delay the entire the sentence [reprieve]; or he can forgive Libby [pardon]. The President chose to do something that was a "middle option," but that option does not exist.

3. War Crimes

The President's actions in re Libby today are Unconstitutional, and linked apparently with efforts to reward Libby for thwarting the Geneva Conventions in re unlawful retaliation against witnesses to war crimes.

4. Obstruction of Justice

The President has illegally asserted powers not delegated in re Libby sentencing. This is illegal, impermissible, and suggests obstruction of justice to reward Libby for retaliation and other illegal activity.

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http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/29245#comment-8914



rawstory.com/news/2007/Scooter_Libby_gets_out_of_jail_0702.html


136 comments, selected comments:

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Outing an undercover agent during "war" is a treasonous act. Supporting a traitor is treasonous. Commuting a traitor's sentence is supporting treason. While in the military, I served in an intelligence unit with security classifications to protect clandestine operations and the individuals involved at all levels. Anyone divulging information involving these operations was guilty of treason. The security of the agent involved in this matter and the nature of her work was revealed for purposes of revenge. Those who disclosed her identity must be held accountable and brought to justice under the laws of treason. That includes not only Libby, but Bush/Cheney.
Nova16

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what!? WTF! -- the president -- after a public-
urging, on the whitehouse.gov web-server, by the vice-
president, dick cheney -- has stepped into the
middle of a pending criminal case, and prevented
i. lewis "scooter" libby from receiving the natural,
predictable, criminal, consequences of perjury, and
obstruction of justice -- this, from the man, who is
now protecting the man, who is protecting the
vice-president! that, in and of itself, may well
make out a prima facie case of. . .
yep! you guessed it! -- obstruction of justice.

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think it really is obstruction of justice http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00001512----000-.html . Here's the relevant law

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 73 > § 1512

§ 1512. Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant.

Section C

Whoever corruptly—
(1) alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or
other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the
object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or
(2) otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official
proceeding, or attempts to do so,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20
years, or both.

http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/07/george-bush-obs.html#comment-74681634

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The President asserted non-delegated powers today. This is no
different than the FISA violations:
http://www.citizensforethics.org...45#comment- 8915
http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/29245#comment-8915

There is no "commutation" power for the President. The action today
is outside what the Constitution permits. The President may only
grant reprieves or issue pardons; commutation is a third creature
the President cannot invent or devise for himself.

This power only exists for State Govenros. The commutation of
Libby's sentence is not enforceable; and evidence of the President's
obstruction of justice in re war crimes and Geneva violations.

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Well, so much for "Rule of Law." Scooter Libby deserves prison. He
is no scapegoat, and his "years of service" consist of plotting
undemocratic, world-domineering policies.

Is there no one is Washington with any historical perspective?

Sure, Libby didn't act alone with the Plame leak and thwarting its
investigation, but he also didn't go against his better nature and
just follow orders.

I. Scooter Libby has always been at the forefront of aggressive
neoconservative policy.

In 1992, Libby, along with former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul
Wolfowitz, and the current U.S. ambassador to the United Nations,
Zalmay Khalilzad, wrote a “Defense Planning Guidance” report,
commissioned by then Defense Secretary Dick Cheney.

This DPG called for the U.S. to claim its authority as the world
superpower, to intimidate rivals for power, to bypass the United
Nations as needed, to build more weapons to ensure global military
dominance, and to strike pre-emptively against those who threaten
U.S. interests anywhere in the world.

It was shockingly unethical, bullying and began the end of
Americans-as-good-guys. It was supposedly shelved after its
embarrassingly heartless approach to the world was leaked.

But in 1997 it resurfaced, only slightly edited, as the Statement of
Principles of the Project for a New American Century, signed by
Libby, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, Elliot Abrams, Zalmay
Khalilzad and more.

Though PNAC officially closed in 2006, its personnel and policies
still thrive at the American Enterprise Institute, Heritage
Foundation, the Weekly Standard and, yes, the White House.
Barbara Bellows-TerraNova


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Back to me, of course the whole Fitz thing was a symbolic act from the commencement.

Fitz was just put in place because he came from the same corrupt NY D.A. offices and personnel that were actually traceable back to 9-11 issues, and in covering up "WTC part 1" back in 1993~ Fitz started the shell game:

Under another shell, meanwhile, Richard Armitage (PNAC) basically admitted he did it, though he has been totally left out of these strange 'symbolic justice activities' paraded around.

Another shell, meanwhile, Cheney has basically been noted to have ordered Libby to do it--from notes passed between them.

Another shell, Rove is still there as well, though caught red handed.

However, with the shell game of attempting to pass around the pea of blame under fast moving shells, they just want it to completely vanish symbolically as well. Another 'lone nut' of Libby was symbolically invented, and then symbolically commutated. Both actions without any basis in the actual case going on.

If anything it may take the last hunk out of both the Republican support for Bush (who wanted him to completely pardon Libby instead Bush agrees he's guilty of treasonous actions and just wants to reward him.)

And, less commented upon, it may take out a hunk of the residual Democratic support to see "Wiemar Democrats" sitting on their hands once more.

7/03/2007 11:06:00 AM  
Blogger harley said...

Makes sense, and is as intriguing as (or perhaps even more so than) ever. Hope you'll write more when you can. Many thanks!

7/03/2007 11:21:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Yes, to get clear myself what the Fitz networks connections were to 9-11, I found this:

- Government Lawyer, Patrick Fitzgerald ("the Plame Case"), covered up the FBI's direction of the WTC attack in 1993.

- Current Department of Homeland Security head, Chertoff, was a defense lawyer for one of the financiers associated with the WTC 1993 attack.

- President and CEO of Kroll. Inc, is Michael G. Cherkasky. [Connected to 9-11 "security" at WTCs] He was a chief at the [Fitzgerald linked] NY DA's office and (non)investigated the 93 WTC Bombing. http://www.krollworldwide.com/about/governance/mcherkasky/

Follow the shell people instead of the symbols. There are very few of them and they keep recycling as inserts everywhere to hold their grand lie together.

7/03/2007 11:48:00 AM  
Blogger tmb said...

Please . . . the Bush "family" is no more than a white privileged interlinked, nationally and internationally, mafia family - - that has been at the front of the political face of the international fascist mafia for generations.

Bush I ran the Reagan presidency after the phoney assassination attempt by family friend Mr. Hinkley where Reagan himself later stated he never felt a shot by Hinkley outside the limo and that the pain came in the limo when his bodyguard ala JFK jumped on him, in the back seat of an armored limo for no reason, and he felt the sharp shearing pain of injection - - no bullet at the hospital just some type of disc (poison?) and then they drove him around for awhile, but he didn't die, much to their surprise I would guess - - Reagan, however, seems to have gotten the message, Bush I ran it all from then on and there is no way Clinton with the Mena coke operation is not part of the "family" - - he's now "best friends" w/his supposed old "enemies" - - what a farce, "left v. right" - "they" contol it all, and they have decided that we will be serfs due to the phoney "energy" crisis coming due to suppressed technology . . . .

For anyone not acquainted with the level of depravity of this "family", it included mass murder/genocide in El Salvador and in much of Latin America where poor people's children and baby's heads were severed after torture and arranged at family tables on poles to be found by what remained of their families that had been butchered - - torture isn't done for "information" purposes, when not for ritual purposes in their sick reality it is to terrorize the population. (My understanding is that many of these butchers are now "serving" "us" in Iraq . . . . So Bush II "Sonny" has now protected a family member who once wrote a book fantasizing of a young girl being raped in a cage by a bear in front of onlookers, this is what these family member type are like . . . Check out Colin Powell and the My Lai massacre cover-up, and the DC Federal Judges who protected Bush I, North et al from the Iran Contra/October Surprise - - all "family" members . . . they are a mafia that makes the traditional "Italian" one look like pikers and they run the whole show at every level of the federal government and most states, "prosecutors" (led by AG "Fredo" - - even Bush II jokes about the "Godfather" reality of his family, him being named "Sonny" by Colin Powell), "judges", and all the alphabet agencies so they can spie on and blackmail or murder or frame up anyone who opposes them . . . there is divine retribution and on passing they will get a life review as every person they murdered and experience that reality, far from their current wealth and "power", and then continue on to reincarnate in the manner appropriate for their deeds, but on this plane of existence now - - the gloves are off and the heirs of Adolf are letting us know that "justice" = "just us" - - with their next phoney mass murder "terrorist" event expect full use of the Halliburton "camps" paid for with our $300 million . . . . The CFR has come out with a paper saying the US Dollar is an "absurdity" i.e. worthless, so the crash can't be far off and the Blackwater Mercs will be on the streets, like in Katrina, to take care of the "undesirables" . . . .

7/03/2007 12:03:00 PM  
Blogger Karpo said...

sheeit! JW goes cultural theory aka Kultur

7/03/2007 01:02:00 PM  
Blogger marmot said...

"10 million people posting We're not gonna take it anymore! isn't a revolution. It isn't even a Twisted Sister song.

That's the bad news. The good news is it's a Leonard Cohen song."

very nice. and jeff, i especially like the themes of this post!

7/03/2007 01:47:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Please do follow through on this one, Jeff. As you say, it's not really about Scooter Libby at all; it's about the semiotics of control, it's where the (mis)use of symbols has actually changed reality. This is important because the rulers who do this still feel a need to resort to this type of manipulation--they are far stronger when they call themselves "liberators" spreading "democracy & freedom" than if they took off the gloves and the masks to show us what they really are.

I think that a large part of the quandary we're in is that this symbolic landscape is a morass, a swamp where nothing is what it claims to be--that there is no reality to describe. This is a mistake. Common sense, while even less common than it used to be, can still tell us what's what. Here's the guiding distinction for us: what is it that has value?

We hear a lot of talk about wealth, and the self-appointed morality brokers talk about their version of "values," but I mean something far more direct--what has value to humanity and the rest of the earth?

This is not difficult. On the contrary, it's so easy it's a wonder we hadn't thought of it before. A decent and reasonable standard of living has a value that transcends its dollar equivalent. It reduces crime, it stabilizes runaway population growth, it allows for the protection of the environment (not having to chop down forests for firewood & building materials) and, ultimately, for the pursuit of happiness (health, education, recreation, and creative expression--a little understood requisite for "humanness").

Now, having described a handful of the most fundamental things which have value for the world, what do we see when we look at the symbolic map of the world that our leaders want us to believe? At this point in our history, we practice what's known as neo-liberalism (or globalization), the central pillar of which is the free market.

Free trade, we are told, will provide for all our needs--material and spiritual--by allowing the wonderful benefits of the unimpeded flow of goods & services to enrich our lives. Politically, we must be willing to protect this liquid liberty against those who would stifle it with their demands of authority, autonomy and sovereignty.

Realpolitik: it used to be the spectre of Communism, with its inefficient central planning and spirit-killing lack of liberty & opportunity against which our brave freedom fighters defended our interests.

Nowadays it's the growing crescent of "Islamo-fascism". Since we're already familiar with the myth of the Crusades--Richard the Lionheart defending the Holy City from Saladin's barbaric & fanatical assassins--it's an easy stage play to direct. Dust off the old props and we're good to go with the stunning new rendition of Clash of the Civilizations!

Before we march off to perpetual war, however--yes, it has to be perpetual because if peace were to break out, some kind of equally mythical "peace dividend" might be requested by the restless masses--it might be a good idea to look at the freedom for which we're fighting with our little value scale stripped of symbols and other distortions.

What we find will inspire no small amount of shock; the only awe we experience will be at the audacity of the symbol weavers. This neo-liberal freedom, you see, is not freedom for the citizenry at all. It's the complete and untrammeled freedom of those seeking profits to find it anywhere they can. This process is not immoral, exactly, but rather amoral, since it cannot recognize distinctions as fine as ethical considerations.

To compare our list of human- and earth-centered values with the principles of the neo-liberal model, let's borrow from this list already compiled by one of the tens of millions of anonymous bloggers, An Assembler's blog in two posts from 2007--Polyarchic Elite and US Elections and Economic life zones: Are we headed for a world of corporate feudalism?

According to our anonymous Assembler, the Top 5 "Virtues" in the neo-liberal code are:


1. THE RULE OF THE MARKET. Liberating "free" enterprise or private enterprise from any bonds imposed by the government (the state) no matter how much social damage this causes. Greater openness to international trade and investment, as in NAFTA. Reduce wages by de-unionizing workers and eliminating workers' rights that had been won over many years of struggle. No more price controls. All in all, total freedom of movement for capital, goods and services. (To convince us this is good for us, they say "an unregulated market is the best way to increase economic growth, which will ultimately benefit everyone." It's like Reagan's "supply-side" and "trickle-down" economics -- but somehow the wealth didn't trickle down very much.)


2. CUTTING PUBLIC EXPENDITURE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES like education and health care. REDUCING THE SAFETY-NET FOR THE POOR, and even maintenance of roads, bridges, water supply -- again in the name of reducing government's role. (Of course, they don't oppose government subsidies and tax benefits for business.)


3. DEREGULATION. Reduce government regulation of everything that could diminsh profits, including protecting the environment and safety on the job.


4. PRIVATIZATION. Sell state-owned enterprises, goods and services to private investors. This includes banks, key industries, railroads, toll highways, electricity, schools, hospitals and even fresh water. (Although usually done in the name of greater efficiency, which is often needed, privatization has mainly had the effect of concentrating wealth even more in a few hands and making the public pay even more for its needs.)


5. ELIMINATING THE CONCEPT OF "THE PUBLIC GOOD" or "COMMUNITY" and replacing it with "individual responsibility." (Pressuring the poorest people in a society to find solutions to their lack of health care, education and social security all by themselves -- then blaming them, if they fail, as "lazy.")


We could also talk about the role of the New Buccaneers--institutions like the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank and the Inter- American Development Bank--and how they essentially raid "developing" nations, steal their resources (fairly, of course, in the free market), and mortgage the souls of these poor people with their "loans," but that's another level of abstraction and I would like to end this with the smallest, most basic unit of measurement which the comparison of these two scales provides.

Unfortunately, we're left with a rather magical word: alchemy.

Through the process of turning every human activity and every resource of the Earth into a transaction, we've turned incalculable riches into clearly and severely devalued "wealth". "Wealth" that no longer belongs to the person or thing from which it was (fairly!) taken by this magical process.

This is the same process whereby "freedom" becomes (wage) slavery, "truth" becomes whatever we're told, and "peace" becomes a perpetual (and profitable!) war to keep us "free".

Two further resources worth pondering in this most important question:

Portland Indy Media's treatment of Justice versus Neoliberalism and Globalization by Karl Müller: (Justice is the weapon of the weaker, not the right of the stronger...)

and, strangely enough, an example of the opposite of this tsunamic trend...in two tales of de-desertification (Trees: The Anti-Desert and A Greener Niger.

7/03/2007 02:10:00 PM  
Blogger Serious Brown said...

This is very good.
You may be writing yourself out of a profession.
The tough part will be getting the audience to understand we all need to lose the novitiate's collar. Including the author. Take your time. Pick your tempo. The chops are back.
Boy, am I happy to see you.

7/03/2007 02:56:00 PM  
Blogger cadeveo said...

Welcome back, Jeff. I look forward to seeing where you go with this. And you're right, by the way. Typing away on the internet is NOT a revolution, nor is it an actual community. Getting out there in the world and building the latter, through free expression, coupled with lots of personal reflection and self-work: to me, that seems to be the surest possible road to a (peaceful)and worthwhile revolution.
Peace,
cadeveo

7/03/2007 03:02:00 PM  
Blogger soulsurvivor said...

Tantric alchemy

First, tantra brings on internal change.

Second, this is projected as demonstration onto the real world through a PK induced fusion reaction.

Third, the transformation of time, on alchemical principles, that takes place every half a precessional cycle is accessed.

When all are worked in unison, it is the Magnum Opus.

Search Fulcanelli - [i]The Language of the Birds[/i]

There's something referred to as an Ur-language. Fulcanelli said it is the "common language of initiation and illumination behind cultural expressions as different as the Christian, the Inca, the medieval troubadours and the ancient Greeks. And traces of it can be found in the dialects of Picardy and Provence, and most important of all, in the language of the Gypsies."

"Fulcanelli informs us that the western cabala used by the troubadours and the builders of the cathedrals is based on the language of the Argonauts and the quest for the Golden Fleece. Which in turn is but one application of a vast Ur-language of symbols, derived perhaps from the DNA itself, that unite the global cultures of mankind, from the Inca to the ancient Greeks. And, to top it off, he told use that traces of it can be found in the language of the Gypsies, a fairly obvious reference to the Tarot, long held to be a Gypsy invention. Is he telling us that the Green Language, which is heard according to David Ovason only by those 'who have clothed themselves in the skin of the dragon', is simply a symbolic approximation of the information, transmitted by weak laser pulses, coming from our DNA?"
http://www.jwmt.org/v1n4/readlight.html

7/03/2007 04:49:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

This old saw keeps getting pulled out, though I don't think it really stands up to some rigorous intuition itself:

"Typing away on the internet is NOT a revolution, nor is it an actual community. Getting out there in the world and building the latter, through free expression, coupled with lots of personal reflection and self-work: to me, that seems to be the surest possible road to a (peaceful)and worthwhile revolution.

Actually, from some research by Claude Fischer (a fellow Canadian, Jeff) your old saw about the internet being an isolated place doesn't really ring true. People who converse over the internet tend to be MORE likely on the whole to have other parallel means of communicating with each other (face to face, tangible groups, telephone, etc.), instead of less.

7/03/2007 05:12:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Sigil magick leads to the godfather of sigil magick, Austin Osman Spare.

"Spare was less interested in magical beliefs than in the nature of belief itself - he was interested in 'how' to believe, and not 'what' to believe. He saw belief as something free-floating, which could be channelled and re-directed to different objects (like Freud's idea of "libido", which often sounds like something out of hydraulic engineering). Spare, in other words, conjured with belief."

Sounds like Mr. Spare would have made a good politician/businessman/journalist in these "modern times."

Spare has an entire mythology built around him. Although many "believers" appear to subscribe to them, most stoies have the appearance of those ubiquitous "friend-of-a-friend" tales that, in the end, have all the substance of smoke.

Of course, Spare became increasingly disillusioned with the "occult" in his later years, so maybe the message isn't so much, " Fear us; we too are sorcerers," as it is "Fear us, cause we sure look like sorcerers, don't we?"

But, in the spirit of Oz-like Wizards everywhere, once the curtain is pulled back, all you're really stuck with is a pudgy guy with a control fetish.

7/03/2007 06:12:00 PM  
Blogger Qlipoth said...

This (the full post)is really brilliant, Jeff. Your analysis goes a couple of stages deeper even than usual here. And you've certainly clarified some things I've been struggling in vain to formulate for myself recently, especially concerning the quagmire of 'New Truth'. Ta. (And I hope the kids get better.)

7/03/2007 06:14:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Phillip K. Dick's estate should begin litigation for violation of intellectual property rights.

From Wiki-wiki-wik:

"In law, intellectual property (IP) is an umbrella term for various legal entitlements which attach to certain names, written and recorded media, and inventions. The holders of these legal entitlements may exercise various exclusive rights in relation to the subject matter of the IP. The term intellectual property reflects the idea that this subject matter is the product of the mind or the intellect. The term implies that intellectual works are analogous to physical property and is consequently a matter of some controversy."

From Yahoo:

"Do you have a really bad memory, or past heartache, that you would prefer to forget?

Researchers at Harvard and McGill University (in Montreal) are working on an amnesia drug that blocks or deletes bad memories. The technique seems to allow psychiatrists to disrupt the biochemical pathways that allow a memory to be recalled.

In a new study, published in the Journal of Psychiatric Research, the drug propranolol is used along with therapy to "dampen" memories of trauma victims. They treated 19 accident or rape victims for ten days, during which the patients were asked to describe their memories of the traumatic event that had happened 10 years earlier. Some patients were given the drug, which is also used to treat amnesia, while others were given a placebo.

A week later, they found that patients given the drug showed fewer signs of stress when recalling their trauma.

Similar research led by Professor Joseph LeDoux has been carried out at New York University on rats; scientists were able to remove a specific memory from the brains of rats while leaving the rest of the animals' memories intact. An amnesia drug called U0126 was administered.

The rats were trained to associate two musical tones with a mild electrical shock so that when they heard either of the tones they would brace themselves for a shock. The researchers then gave half the rats the drug when playing one of the musical tones.

After the treatment, the rats that had been given the drug no longer associated that particular tone with an imminent shock but still braced themselves upon hearing the second tone, demonstrating only one memory had been deleted."


Eventually they won't have to bother revising history, they can just delete it.

Of course, that could never happen here, right?

Governments would never mis-use pharmaceuticals for their own nefarious ends, would they?

"There is power in the act of naming, because it imbues meaning to a thing - or to an event or a concept - that has no necessary correspondence to the thing itself."

True, but now you've got me pondering the power rush inherent in erasing "the thing...event...or...concept."

Cameron's methods were messy & left clients drooling bed wetters, but this amnesia in a pill...I can see America running far with this little baby.

Oh yeah.

7/03/2007 11:08:00 PM  
Blogger the author said...

Didn't Scooter complain about suffering from ADD and claustrophobia? Or am I thinking about someone else...

Interesting that I too, this very morning, was musing about the meanings of words. Here's what I feverishly scribbled down on a piece of scrap paper --

The government schools, if they ever did, no longer teach the meaning of those overused words "Freedom" and "Liberty." As Orwell warned, such words hav become Newspeak -- their meaning has surreptitiously been replaced with meanings almost diametrically opposite. When George Bush talks about "freedom" today, he means something very different from what George Washington meant. ...

Alas, I had no time for any indignant blogging of my own today, but will be sure to say something tomorrow in honor of (cough) Independence Day.

7/03/2007 11:40:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

TMB: Your "history" of the Bush
crime family was the balls...
And the "commuting" of Libby's
sentence is just one more chapter
in the dark and twisted saga of
that awful "family"...

Most workdays I drive past Brown
University, and when I do I'm
always reminded of an interview
given by Sergei Khrushchev, son
of Nikita, who is currently a
Professer of International Studies
at the University. In the course
of the interview, he was asked what
he thought was the main reason
behind the collaspe of the old
Soviet Union. He didn't say it was
the Reagan era arms buildup or the
rise of the Solidarity movement.
He said that the USSR had collasped
under "the weight of all the lies
told to the Russian public. There
was no faith left in the Government
because the people had been lied
to about everything."
Is this the point we are at in the West? If not, we are damn close...

Jeff,
I know your not a big fan of
the Roswell story, but I'm curious
if you have ever seen that widely
published photo of an airmen
(Marcel? Rainey?)kneeling in back of the "wreckage" of a
weather balloon? In the photo the
airmen is holding a typed sheet of
paper, though it is too blurry to read. However, someone (and his
name escapes me at the moment)
decided to try and enhance the
text on the sheet of paper with
computer software. And according
to him, one of the lines of text
reads: "Disc is being transported
to Wright-Patterson field in
Dayton, Ohio."

7/04/2007 12:37:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

And for those of you too young to remember, there was an active, and real cosmic conciousness and the media made fun of it. That was a mistake. The corrective measure for unconcious objectors is more flouride, bad food, HAARP, chemtrails and an adjusted media. Trust me when I say that the writing is on the subway wall.

7/04/2007 01:14:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Eric, re some info you passed me once impugning that somehow Barbara Bush family got and is sitting on some Tesla patents. Something that might be corroborating information on how a connection developed between the Pierces/Bushes and Tesla:

Quoting an offhand comment in something I just posted at Commodity Ecology, guess who Tesla was working with on his 'oil less car'?

"But it is a mystery car once demonstrated by Nikola Tesla, developer of alternating current, that might have made electrics triumphant.

Supported by the Pierce-Arrow Co. and General Electric in 1931, he took the gasoline engine from a new Pierce-Arrow..."


By the way, the connection would be of course that Barbara Bush (nee Pierce) is the heir of the Pierce-Arrow automotive fortune. She married George H. W. Bush the Rockefeller connected oil man.

http://commodityecology.blogspot.com/2007/06/34-energy.html

7/04/2007 04:39:00 AM  
Blogger middleworld said...

Jeff- it’s not the need for a particular sign that points to controlled demolition and a missile at the pentagon, it’s the evidence, man! It’s the obvious physical evidence and witness testimony and very hasty cover-up of the physical evidence. It’s the only thing that makes sense, not significance. And it’s the only way for the international oligarchs to get their way. It’s their significance. Planes and bombs weren’t good enough for THEM.
What this article should be about, and I’ve seen almost none of them, is how many people in the upper ranks needed to know?

How many knew about the JFK hit?

Just a few Jeff, doing favors for so many. Your blog certainly took off because of 9-11!
The rest just have to follow their fears and their marching orders, just like they’ve been trained since day one.

It seems you were once committed, and urged on others, to the research that might have uncovered WHO KNEW about 9/11 before it happened? But now you want to point fingers at people whose research you disagree with like a petty academic. And change the subject to UFO’s, which we can all disagree on very nicely, thank you very much.

Exposing 9-11 and it’s cover-up could lead to a new form of government. Pretending that muslim extremists share equal blame is to continue with the death spiral of the status quo. That seems new for you Jeff, and disappointing to me. Most research into empire lacks your subtlety and wit, but you’ve given up. Why? So you don’t tar an entire administration aiming for a few? An administration that has systematically done nothing good for it’s people, but make the rich richer, and much evil for others, the most innocent? It’s so horrible that it’s difficult to speak about.

Or is it because you sense the "war is over and the good guys lost"?

So let’s talk about UFO’s. They certainly generate a lot of fear. Or let's talk about the intense vagaries of deconstructionism. What's the significance of that? Then you can point right past the rot, and hide it right under your finger.

7/04/2007 09:07:00 AM  
Blogger The Way It Can Be said...

all the blogs & radio call-ins, etc.
do seem at times to be merely "sound and fury" and having no "real" effect but I think that we'll find they are influencing things, creating forces and tendencies..

Of the 6 billion plus people on this planet, how many comment on anything? a fraction.. these internet comments form an atmosphere of thought, judgement and conclusion which leads to action of every concievable type.. they're the new age newspapers..

there can be small revolutions in the minds of millions that pushes things along a different course towards more peace and less war and better things..

it seems to take too long.. it seems to constantly backtrack.. but it is happening..

as evidence, consider the Pew ratings of America around the world.. they, the various power brokers & drivers, are not fooling most of the people.. why is that?

7/04/2007 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger Jeff said...

"Exposing 9-11 and it’s cover-up could lead to a new form of government. Pretending that muslim extremists share equal blame is to continue with the death spiral of the status quo. That seems new for you Jeff, and disappointing to me. Most research into empire lacks your subtlety and wit, but you’ve given up."

Not at all. To me, 9/11 has never been a black and white choice of either Muslim extremists or government insiders. There's collusion, and even mutual exploitation, but of course those deeper "inside" bear greater responsibility than the patsies and useful idiots.

To my thinking, investigation and analysis of the points of collusion should be a large part of what "9/11 Truth" is about. And it used to be. But these days, 9/11 researchers like Paul Thompson and Daniel Hopsicker, and analysts of the criminal-fascist empire like Peter Dale Scott and David Emory, are marginalized, and their work disparaged as limited hangouts or disinformation.

I'm not giving up at all. I am, however, suggesting that the current course of "9/11 Truth" is hopeless, but it's not the only course available to us.

7/04/2007 10:31:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

No, Jeff, you are talking about artificially delimiting 9-11 discussion to one course available--as good as Ruppert ever attempted to do, to 'own' the 9-11 topic only through selective discussions and equally through insults and aspersions, I might add.

So you want to talk collusion, Jeff, or only a select subset of collusion on your terns? I think it's clear it's the latter.

For instance, throwing the collusion net wider, there was quite a bit of "Jeff liked" collusion in the construction of the WTCs between the Bin Laden Construction Company, Bo Dietl, and the questions floating about as it was going up "where to put the demolition charges". Bo Dietl is another interesting connection.

So. Now that we have set up the signified and the sign for you, and programmed the demolitions topic to "signify" your "collusion meme" perhaps it will fit in? If it doesn't then you're just artfully dodging the demolitions issue once more (as you did entirely in the response above)--though collusive it was from the ground up, to the deconstructionist ground zero.

Yamasaki was doing lots of building for the oil rich shiekdoms simultaneously to the WTCs 'era' as well--and that's how Bin Laden family got involved in the WTCs construction. Though when they go around and start asking about 'demolitions charges' in its construction, hmm.... Were the towers built to be taken down just for 'fun'? It seems so given that the U.S. Army had a plan to attack the WTCs (and conveniently demolish them?) in 1976. Links above. Of course they couldn't get their executive in place to maintain the cover up in 1976 (they got Carter instead of Ford/Nelson Rockfeller), so the "Rumsfeld-Cheney-Bush" troika had to wait to regroup all the way to 2000, when the same 1976 people reassembled in place. It could have gone off in Bush I's administration, though perhaps he had a full plate elsewhere, or had a bad hair day on their Senate confirmation committees and could only get Cheney in as Bush I's Secretary of Defense (Rummy's previous position).

So, they seemed to want to wait to do it on the Democrats watch, ergo,
the 1993 NY FBI facilitated attack merely one month into (Bush proxy) Willie Clinton, President from Mena, Arkansas.
Ask Mr. Ahmad Salaam who taped the FBI telling them what to bomb, what explosives to use, and where to place the bombs in the WTCs.

Then of course when it didn't work right, they had the whole NY D.A. to seal up the actual investigation, since Fitzgerald came in here as well as people who would later be inserted into Kroll (in)security for the WTC as well. Oh, You had Zionist Chertoff, later of Homeland (In)Security, as a defense laywer for the "Muslim terrorist financier"TM in that little episode as well.

And the Bushes have been close to the Bin Ladens for decades. And we know Marvin Bush was (illegally) on security for the WTCs simultaneous to being on the insurer board--which had say on who became security at the WTCs.

Surely, the record of demolitions antics and (in)security around the WTCs (not to mention as someone added above, the witnesses, the seismographic evidence, etc.) is enough collusion for you.

7/04/2007 11:13:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Jeff, your criticisms of the various truth movements may have some truth to them, but like the CARET sigil/truth-within-a-lie thing that ericswan and other here have talked about (RAW’s maybe logic), you can’t retreat from this odd proposition by throwing up your hands and saying, “There’s no truth here!” just because it might be told by liars.

Yes, Corso was a liar—a very vain and egotistical “torchbearer” for the dark forces of fear—but the fact that UFO hysteria is being used by the Owners for their ends does not mean that we are alone in the universe. Or that our scientist-sages know their asses from a hole in the ground when it comes to extraterrestrial possibilities. Again, logic is your friend, even if it doesn’t act the way you expect it to.

With 9/11, the fact that the “event” has been put to such use from the moment the television cameras were cued is not indicative of a similar and all too typical truth hiding behind a swindle. Intelligent life in the universe is of a far greater potential order of magnitude than your “international mafias”. Likewise, do you really imagine that these godfathers have more power than the boards of directors of the “Fortune 500” companies? Or, that the latter operate any more transparently than the former?

9/11 is just another state terror event. To imagine that the "bungling CIA meme" reflects the truth about the capacity & competence of the national security state is like believing the one they float about Roswell. It’s logic again, Jeff—little gangsters don’t push big gangsters around or pull stunts on their turf without permission. Just because memos weren’t sent around to all the cabinet secretaries (and their secretaries) doesn’t mean that Scott and the Russian general are right when they say we should “avoid condemning an entire administration”. What does that statement even mean? That if everyone in the administration wasn’t involved, then no one was? That is some pretty standard either/or logic.

The bigger (and more obvious) question here is who is really running the show? Are we so naïve that we believe that the Bush Administration is really run by the public faces we see paraded for public consumption, or, going a little deeper here, that whoever is running that administration is somehow different from the powers behind the throne when Jimmy Carter was in office?

Why have we suddenly climbed back out of the rabbit hole—after describing the mechanisms of state terror in such detail—to ask, “Gosh, Wally, do you think things might not be as they seem?”

Please—someone!—explain how this sudden Eisenhowerism demonstrates that the oil industry does not control the White House (along with the other real gangs—bin Laden? Hah!). Tell me how Pharma and the defense contractors get their marching orders from their legally elected representatives and/or Pentagon officials…tell me that those high school textbooks really do tell the real history.

But don’t use that lame-ass either/or logic. My bucket’s not close enough.

Btw, this isn't some sort of "conspiracy thinking" here. Follow this page and tell me where the line between history and conspiracy lies. For those who don't care to go into linkland, I'll just put up a quick example of how we really conduct the people's business:

1984

The Associated Press discloses a 90-page CIA-produced training manual called "Psychological Operations in Guerrilla Warfare" providing the contras with instruction on political assassinations, blackmailing, mob violence, kidnappings and blowing up public buildings, and calling for “implicit terror.”
[Central Intelligence Agency, n.d.; Associated Press, 10/17/1984; CNN, 2/21/1999]

It's just plain logic & facts. You don't need to bring in the Illuminati or any of that other misleading crap (even if it is true).

"International mafias"! Hah!

7/04/2007 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger Jeff said...

"...the fact that UFO hysteria is being used by the Owners for their ends does not mean that we are alone in the universe"

Oh no, certainly not. (And most decidedly not in the multiverse.) I hope I've made it clear through all my posts that my position is there are both hoaxed and authentic events.

But I think the truth-within-a-lie point about things such as CARET is well taken, and precisely because UFOlogy's waters have been so muddied. If I can't see clear to the bottom, I shouldn't make absolute claims for what is legitimate and what is not.

7/04/2007 11:36:00 AM  
Blogger tmb said...

The 911 controlled demolition blah blah arguments over and over and accusations (farcicle) at Jeff, only go to prove Jeff's point(s), - - these "arguments" and "research" have not and will not lead anywhere regardless of the "truth" of same . . . a world class phoney like Lee Hamilton or some other "non-partisan" Bush family member will be trotted out to explain it all and all the Amerikans will find it all quite scientific, boring, and confusing and it will be relegated to the type of nearly 50 year useless arguments as to JFK - - all of which were created thru psychological warfare tactics and which have worked extremely well to cover up that military cross fire murder by some of our most "elite" citizens . . .

What Lee Hamilton (man it is hard to look at that guy and not cry for our country . . . ) and his ilk of sell out can't explain is the best shot at 911 "truth" and justice - - the provable antics at the Venice Airport (long a USA Intelligence jump off point for operations) where, in an impossible "coincidence", Atta was recruited to run wild snorting dope,running coke and "dating" strippers . . . Cocaine and Heroin shipments seem to fly around that place with attached "get out of jail free cards" like the one Libby just got from Bush II - - the controlled MSM won't touch it (in fact when they do they blatantly lie about the facts in an almost farcicle desperate way) b/c they know the fact that Atta et al training at a known spook airport used ala Iran Contra etc. for years by "our" spooks and the fact pounds of heroin transported on a plane "siezed" in Orlando were found to be covered by "National Security" considerations and immunity for all drug runners provided shows clearly the "intelligence" communities fingerprints are all over Atta and the boys being at Venice Airport and training there w/other spooky types from Germany etc. leading to 911. The background is drugs. The MSM is in the bag b/c, as Rev. Moon has shown in "financing the Wash Times at a loss of billions for years, when you are in the Coke/Heroin Business as "our" government intelligence agencies are, it is nothing to arrange the buy out of the entire media structure and their control of it is obvious . . . .

Daniel Hopsicker has clearly documented it all (as he did with Barry Seal's murder - - the biggest Coke importer in US history who was a CIA agent and had "Poppy" Bush's phone number in his pocket when he was taken down in a professional hit that was clearly a set up job related to the "authorities" who felt he had started running his mouth about the "loyal Bushies" ).

People need to start understanding that all this is related and that the background is a $500 Billion coke and heroin business run by North American i.e. USA Drug Lords from some of the most prominent families in the country and their allies in key positions in "law enforcement" - - DEA Agent Castillo in Powder Burns and others have documented this and, of course, been ignored by our controlled media. They use the money to destroy and destabilize progressive governments around the world as well as in the "free" USA and pocket some nice change for themselves, of course. Arguing about explosive charges and supposedly disappearing planes and holograms is just the execution of pre-planned psychological warfare tactics that are working quite nicely for the mass murderes - - it's all about the Venice Airport.

7/04/2007 01:04:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

A great interview with Mac Tonnies:

http://www.ballardian.com/ufopunk-mac-tonnies-strange-blue-world

The writer Andres Vaccari has been scathing of the transhumanist and extropian movements. He writes, ‘There is a most crucial question absent from this wet utopian dream: What for? Why do you want to live forever? So you can watch more TV? Read more crappy science fiction? Find yourself? Be more productive in the office? Improve your social skills?’
Any thoughts on that?

Vaccari seems unable or unwilling to look the future in the eye. His argument is the temporal extension of ‘Who cares if we discover extraterrestrials?’ Most of us can’t get past the idea that the alien is merely a skewed version of the familiar. I predict the future will be very alien.

If the Singularity crowd if right — and I have little doubt they’re right about at least some of the implications of exponential technological progress — then the art of prediction, always difficult, becomes effectively impossible. Technology will have come into its own, perhaps even achieving a kind of sentience. Given that sort of milieu, who speaks for humanity? A human-built AI, or an AI built by another AI, will be an effectively alien form of intelligence, every bit as weird and unaccountable as an extraterrestrial. And if we decide to persist in anything like our present form, we’ll necessarily cede some of our autonomy to machines, who might have some fascinating agendas in store. For the very first time, we’ll be sharing the planet with a technologically robust nonhuman intelligence.

Unless, of course, I’m right about living geographically shoulder-to-shoulder with cryptoterrestrials.

Well, you might well be, given that your work, from what I gather, shares similarities with one of the more forceful and convincing ufologists, Jacques Vallee. A fair assessment?

LEFT: Jacques Vallee.

I’m somewhere in the Vallee camp in the sense that I don’t think we’re dealing with anything as simple as ‘mere’ extraterrestrials in cool spaceships, although that very well might be part of the mystery. I suspect the human species is interfacing with something much more secretive and considerably more alien than what we’re conditioned to expect. I actually waffle quite a bit when it comes to UFOs. On one hand I’m convinced we’re dealing with an authentic unknown, but I’m open to different ideas about its origin. Are we seeing some kind of ‘reified metaphor’? Actual ETs? Tulpas?

Lately I’ve been developing what I call the ‘Cryptoterrestrial Hypothesis’, which attempts to dispense with the extraterrestrial angle altogether. If you take a long look at the phenomenon’s complexity and psychosocial impact, it’s tempting to speculate that we’re interacting with an intelligence native to this planet. If so, where are they hiding? What are they up to, and why do they show themselves to us in the most baffling manner possible? It’s plausible we’re the victims of a long-term psychological engineering campaign designed to keep us in check lest we discover we have neighbours.

If I’m right — and I don’t pretend for a moment that I am — then maybe the idea’s testable. We should be able to use existing technology to monitor anomalous activity in our airspace and oceans. If the ‘cryptoterrestrials’ are humanoid, as they seem to be, it’s likely we share a common ancestor, so perhaps a careful look at the human genome is in order. Paranoid? Certainly. But I don’t think the idea is any more outlandish than the phenomenon itself, which has proven quite durable and tenacious over the last 60 years — and that merely encompasses the so-called ‘modern’ UFO phenomenon. I think it’s likely that some, if not many, UFOs are deliberate diversions to make us think we might be dealing with space-faring visitors: in effect, special effects displays enacted for the benefit of strategically selected witnesses.

I’ve interviewed other UFO researchers. Some have had paranormal experiences, some haven’t. What about you?

Disappointingly, I’ve never had any striking paranormal experiences. I think I became fascinated with UFOs and related subjects when I realized just how portentous the subject could be, how absolutely devastating it could prove if validated. Ufology is a rich psychosocial breeding ground, and it’s always interesting to watch the latest memes worm their way into the mainstream. The MJ-12 mythos, for example, is now positively ancient. Everyone ‘knows’ that the government is hiding alien bodies and that the Roswell incident was the crash of an alien ship. Everyone’s familiar with black helicopters and abductions and malevolent alien/government treaties. Collectively, we’re waiting for the sequel to all of this and hoping it has better special effects and bigger explosions.

7/04/2007 01:36:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Thanks, Jeff. I really appreciate that clarification--I thought I knew you..and I did!

I think another useful way to look at all this is combine our logics. Dissatisfied with the easy either/or conclusions, many of us want to go straight for the maybe (both) mode--oftentimes myself included--but if we just abandon what Aristotle tried to tell us about causes (formal, material, etc), then we're missing how things hang together.

When we talk about mafias--international or otherwise--we can't ignore the system which calls them into existence.

Scarcity.

This was my whole point with that little lecture on neo-liberalism. We can even find examples where the four causes are all lined up right next to each other. Take drugs. (So many meanings, so much time...)

If drugs are illegal, then both the larger system can profit from the artificial scarcity this produces (indirectly, through such things as the prison economy and repressive, anti-libertarian legislation) as well as the quietly sanctioned gangs which move the stuff. The only really successful operation the CIA had going in Laos was paying the Hmong by helping them move opium, for one example.

The connections between South American paramilitaries, druglords and anti-drug political regimes is an even more fascinating case--all levels of the food chain are rubbing shoulders down there. In the more genteel North, we try to keep some distance between the actors. For propriety's sake and the flow of the narrative.

All politics are grounded in economics, one way or another. Since all economics are based on the economies of scarcity, it doesn't really matter whether neo-liberalism is the reigning paradigm or Uncle Joe's central planning commissariat, since either way we're getting screwed by a tiny minority who have disproportionate wealth & influence.

If you look at it closely enough, every businessman is a gangster...and so is every socialist, if you follow the chain far enough.

This will remain the staus quo until we can build economies of abundance, about which precious little remains written to this day.

Now why would that be?

When we start examining the sorcery of symbols, funny things start to happen. Here's a last, quick example. I've got a friend who is by no means a conspiracy mongerer. He follows the energy circus (you know, the biggest racket on the planet) in his Peak Energy blog. While this naturally leads him into some highly conspiratorial waters, he remains hopeful that some form of human-centered market might one day be possible.

A few weeks back, my friend wrote a post on this same topic that Jeff has addressed here, the manipulation of reality through signs, symbols & sigils. It was called The Shockwave Rider, after the John Brunner novel on which it was partially inspired. It was one of the most thorough and thought-provoking pieces I've ever read on the subject.

Strangely(?), mysteriously(?), Google banned it from its primary search data. Oh, you can still find it, indirectly, by finding links to it in other people's writing, but it was "taken out" of primary circulation by the "editors" at Google.

My friend is left scratching his head, wondering whom he might have offended, or what nerve was hit. Looking back over that post, I'd have to say a great, great many.


Richard
,

Very good stuff on the Singularity. I'll try to respond a little later.

7/04/2007 03:44:00 PM  
Blogger Yankee Doodle said...

"But 10 million people posting We're not gonna take it anymore! isn't a revolution."

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

7/04/2007 09:06:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

IC, many thanks for the Shockwave Rider link.

A great read.

Much to ponder.

Many other links to explore.

Again, thanks.

One other thing about the Cialdini book & I'll leave that one alone.

One thing that's always stumped me is America's seeming insistence on re-electing Bush when it was becoming increasingly apparent that he lied about WMDs.

Saying American's are little more than redneck dumbfucks might be amusing when I'm in a ranting mood, but it doesn't really explain much.

Cialdini demonstrates, albeit with other pre-911 examples, how this is behavior that is pretty much ingrained in humans.

Once people agree to an initial statement, they begin to formulate their own personal reasons for that agreement. So even if the original statement is shown to be completely false, their need for consistency practically compels them to follow the original, based on a false premise, course of action. Only now their agreement is based on the reasoning that they've created, rather than the original, now false, statement.

7/04/2007 10:59:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Jeff.. I appreciate the "pause" or second take on the recent "drone" activity. Streiber and others in the UFO camp have been linked to black op disinformation on many sites and in most people's incredulity concerning aliens from outer space.
To state my POV clearly, I have said that it would be easier to travel through time than it is to travel through space or at least the space some subscribe to as pertaining to other inhabited worlds. Mark labelled the M-brane theory above which I have not seen but does describe my understanding of a space/time that we humans participate in. This is the quantum cell theory of God. We are a cell and if we go Cancer, so be it.

By going cancer I am suggesting that we enter into one of those time loop traps where we capture tech from the future and endlessly loop into our own destruction. Streiber suggests that crop circles are an expression that higher intelligence (future humans?) are using to forewarn us of the activity of "capturing" aliens in the hopes of duplicating their technology. Here is a link to all of that and more.

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/streamsystems2007.html

IC..this is a concept of reincarnation in that no new thing exists under the sun' The link I posted to www.gravity.org talks about the red, white, and black threads throughout history. There is an ebook by Dan Winter called Eartheart that uses languages and numbers, colour, tone and the electric universe to describe graphically the universal processes of precession. Again, the best place to start an investigation of time travel is

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/streamsystems2007.html

7/05/2007 08:47:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Mark.. Here is the white house link to Scooter's commutation.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070702-4.html

I would be curious to know why Bush would ignore the articles of law that effect this action. Is this some sort of legal precedent that will be upheld at some future date because it wasn't challenged this time and is a for gone conclusion for any future actions?

7/05/2007 08:55:00 AM  
Blogger Qlipoth said...

Mark wrote:

"No, Jeff, you are talking about artificially delimiting 9-11 discussion to one course available--as good as Ruppert ever attempted to do,..."

...thus confirming once again that poor old Michael Ruppert is still Whipping-Boy Number One for New Truthers everywhere. Of course Ruppert didn't "artificially delimit" anything. (How could he?) What he did do was to predict very early on that the "physical evidence" line of enquiry would lead to endless, fruitless and increasingly arcane "debates", before eventually terminating somewhere deep up its own ass. QED.

7/05/2007 02:09:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Ruppert's such an easy whipping boy, because his whole story started to stink more and more. Any attempt to guide a delimited view on 9-11 (Jeff's inclusive, which is exactly the same Ruppert strategy of entirely ignoring the building's physical evidence, er, of a crime scene?)-- the physical evidence leads to the perpetrators quite readily as any other rabbit hole chosen. You tell me where all that thermate came from. You explain in another way the detonation spikes etched in the seismic records before the buildings started to fall at freefall speed to the ground in with no pancakes in sight, just dissociating into concrete dust before it ever hit the ground. WTC7: no plane hit it still it collapsed to dust in less than 10 seconds, with molten steel there in the basements for weeks just like WTC1 and WTC2 (and a little in the basement area of WTC6).

And yes, Ruppert did encourage a delimited hangout in this topic, and if anyone, he was out to own "9-11 Truth". Later of course, he starts telling his talk audiences, "give up, buy gold and sit tight, thanks very much. I'm off to Venezuela after trashing my own computers in a fake burglary attempt. Oh did I mention my newsletter office was in a U.S. non-commercial federal governmental building complex?, etc., etc."

That's why Ruppert stinks. Certain areas he wrote about were interesting particularly the war games though he took on the added part of policing--his previous LAPD job, mind you--and creating an official activist dogma and divisively attacking people researching other areas, in quite the same divisive things Jeff says when it comes to the demolitions. Ruppert was endlessly emailing "I challenge you to a debate, put up your half of the thousand dollars" sort of antics. Moreover, Ruppert increasingly was selling peak oil mantra corporate propaganda instead of selling 9-11 info. And just how did Ruppert get that talk at the insider San Fran Commonwealth Club, unless he was connected in some strange unknown ways? Someone was sponsoring his version of "9-11 Truthiness".

Since, he challenged David McGowan, I'll let McGowan speak for himself about the affairs of a few years ago. For the sordid details, google up "David McGowan, Ruppert" and I think any horse that wants can be led to water at McGowan's website, though of course no one can force the horse to drink.

---

Hi Eric, I don't see much method in the madness, since Bush just made up some 'super powers' once more pretending to work them over everyone.

No President has delegated powers to commute sentences, it seems to be a power exclusive to G. W. Bush. That makes 12,393,233 plus one more crime in the past 7 years--this one a bald obstruction of justice since the court proceedings/appeals for Libby are still going on.

Using that 'President' word with disdain in Bush's case given electoral fraud in 2000 and 2004 that put him there, Presidents can only reprieve (temporary sustaining) or pardon completely. Bush invented a strange third course he can't legally make.

Jody Paulson said in a comment at the below link, that this of course allows Libby to continue to claim the 5th Amendment during his appeal --while Bush inserts himself and tailor makes a punishment by springing him from jail as Bush strangely (unConstitutionally) commuted a sentence. That is just a fancy way of saying obstruction of justice in a case still making its way through the courts.

I've read that the whole Congress phone circuit board crashed with the load of complaints about Bush over Libby.

It's hardly everyday a sitting "President" smiles on and rewards treason that helped to destroy his country's own nuclear weapons monitoring program.

Some of the laws on how obstruction of justice is defined is appended to this:

Unconstitutional, Bush Invents Power for Himself re Libby, Commutation Not for Presidents

"Unconstitutional, Bush Invents Novel Power for Himself, 'Official Obstruction of Justice' Powers: Commutation is a Power for Governors Not Presidents

I guess condoning treason pays in this administration. Bush can't jump into the judiciary and adjust sentences, [much less cases still in action, and in appeal!] he can only issue pardons or reprieves entirely. Bush has just reward retaliation against others who have attempted to report war crimes. Expect "Wiemar Democrats" to sit still.


Somewhere I read that actually under USC that since it was dealing with U.S. nuclear secrets, it requires the death penalty actually for all involved. Little corporate media reporting that legal requirement.

Jody's comment at that above link:

Just to boil it down for everybody, here's the key phrase:
'"He commuted Libby's sentence, guaranteeing not only that Libby wouldn't talk, but retaining Libby's right to invoke the Fifth,"'

This is obscene. People higher up in the administration are probably guilty of treason. How else could you explain this action?

Please, don't forget, people probably died and an entire CIA front company instrumental in tracking middle eastern WMD's was torpedoed because of the outing of Valerie Plame:
http://jpaulson.blogspot.com/2007/04/outing-plame-was-much-more-than.html


Though we're getting caught up in the heat of the moment. We know they all criminals, so why are we shocked at the next required criminal act to keep their previous criminal acts from coming to light? Bush is playing for keeps, he doesn't see this country surviving, and is acting that way.

Most are still thinking that once Bush is out, things will go back to where they were before. Hardly.

With the massive privatizations, the intentional demotion of the U.S. economy, the potential North American Union frameworks, and a consumer monitoring police state over the entire North American continent shadowed over by NORTHCOM created out of the official story of 9-11, Halliburton concentration camps, and Bush/Cheney in the railcar lines as well leading to them they are not expecting to have anyone write the histories that most wallflowers are saying they should be 'worried about' in the future.

7/05/2007 03:17:00 PM  
Blogger Qlipoth said...

Mark writes:

"[Ruppert] took on the added part of policing--his previous LAPD job, mind you...[etc.]"

What utter rubbish. What a complete waste of time.

Well, Ruppert's gone now, with his 'divisive' police training and his familiarity with the law. So that's one obstacle less for The New Criminologists, as they march on inexorably to expose The New Truth. Dick Cheney must be trembling as we speak.

7/05/2007 04:54:00 PM  
Blogger AJ said...

"..and hoping it has better special effects and bigger explosions".

Yes, and I believe you and I will not have to wait long for them to occur.
But Richard, perhaps I am missing your point, but I think it is incredibly imperative that we discover this truth, if it be the truth. It seems to me that it will change everything from the way we think, to the way we worship, not withstanding those that will leverage that knowledge to their best advantage.
IC, why do you believe Corso was a liar? Please explain.

"The good news is ..."

That's the good news?

7/05/2007 06:56:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

It sounds like the dragonfly "drones" have been faked.


http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2007/jul/m05-001.shtml

7/05/2007 08:50:00 PM  
Blogger Vikram said...

not really related, but worth checking out:
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/07/new-correlation.html

7/06/2007 01:38:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"But Richard, perhaps I am missing your point"

Actually AJ, that's Mac Tonnies point not mine.



"With respect to UFOs and matters of High Weirdness, my inclination is to give particular attention to the cases that frustrate analysis and appear to be absolute nonsense, because a phenomenon that is truly alien is unlikely to mimic human intelligence."

So, are you familiar with either Albert Rosales article in the new Anomalist Journal or his website,
http://iraap.org/rosales/?

From his website for just this year:

17. Location. Curico, Chile
Date: February 16 2007 Time: night


Samuel Saavedra told reporters that he heard a loud noise, "as if something had jumped off the large wall surrounding the house." Saavedra said he saw a creature that was approximately 1.20meters in height, furry, and with a round bald head. The creature had large eyes and an intense stare and gave Saavedra a "defiant glare". Saavedra said he called the police and then went to spend the night at his mother's house, being so scared that he refused to return home for 48 hours. That same night something attacked a henhouse in San Antonio leaving every chicken dead, without blood and with a mysterious orifice on their spines. One of owner's daughters who did not want to identify herself said that she heard dogs barking wildly that night, but did not see anything abnormal after rising several times throughout the night. Flor Vazquez, 73, the owner, told police that she found strange footprints on her patio with only three toes, two facing forward and one backward.

Location. Indianapolis, Indiana
Date: February 2007 Time: night
The witness, his girlfriend and a couple friends were out bar-hopping on a Friday night in the Broad Ripple district when he ran out of cash and had to run to the ATM at the bank down the block. After withdrawing some cash from the ATM he turned around and saw that across the street was a man leaning against the telephone pole on the corner. He was dressed well, in a black suit with an open collar maroon shirt. He was tall, maybe 6'4" and was white with short jet black hair. He couldn't be sure of the distance, but was convinced that the stranger's eyes were completely jet-black. The scariest part was that the stranger was staring across this crowded intersection at the witness with an incredibly smug look on his face. The witness, an Iraq war vet, was suddenly filled with "abject terror". The stranger's appearance was absolutely impeccable and he was just standing there, like he knew something the witness didn't and as if it were something the witness "wasn't going to like". He didn't want to hang around any longer than necessary so he took off at a quick pace back toward the club where his friends were. After several yards, he allowed himself a glance backward and saw that the stranger was following him across the street. He reminded himself that nothing could happen with people all around, but he didn't really believe it. He reached the club, but there was a line in front of the bouncer who checking IDs. The witness stood there shaking with fear as he saw the man pause on the other side of the street, look both ways, then calmly begin crossing toward the witness. Every move he made was precise and deliberate. The witness somehow knew that when the man got to him something horrible was going to happen, and it was only with great effort that he managed to maintain his composure. Just then another man walked up to the witness from the other direction. He was in his late 20s or early 30s, wearing jeans, sneakers, a baseball cap, and a hooded sweatshirt from a local university. He touched the witness on the shoulder and immediately the witness felt calmer. Then he said, "Don't worry. You're all right. We have everything under control." The witness glanced back at the man in the suit and he had paused in the middle of the street. It was amazing that he wasn't run over. The sweatshirt man turned away from the witness to face the man in the suit. It was clear to the witness that it was some kind of showdown. After a moment the man in the suit sneered at them, in frustration, it seemed. Then turned around, and walked away. The sweatshirt man turned back to the witness with a reassuring smile, patted his shoulder and walked on. Back inside the club his girlfriend immediately noticed something was wrong, but before she could say anything, his other friend said, "Did your friend find you?" The witness replied "Who?" His friend explained that he had run into a guy that had been looking for him and described the sweatshirt man.


Location. New Orleans, Louisiana
Date: 2nd week of January 2007 Time: 2130
The witness, a defense contractor, had stepped outside his work place to smoke a cigarette when he started to get a beeping sensation in his ear. His first thought was that he was listening to a forklift and he tried to ignore it. Right after that an overwhelming fear came over him and he started looking around. He looked up and saw a gray being hovering about 20feet in the air. The being was wearing a dark cloak, almost like a long trench coat. He couldn't see its body but could see its head. The rest of it was just this cloak floating up in the air. The witness began to panic since he didn't know what to do. His first feeling was that "he couldn't run or hide". Suddenly the strange humanoid floated up and disappeared. He described the being as about 4 to 4.5 feet tall; wearing what resembled a dark monk's cloak. Its head was clearly bigger that the rest of it. It had large black almond shaped eyes, kind of slanted, he didn't see a nose and it had a slit for a mouth. Before the creature departed the witness heard this telepathic message in his mind, "We can find you whenever we want to."

Now, this last one, this sounds suspiciously like your techno-occult shadow warriors.

31. Location. Oregon, exact location not given
Date: June 6 2007 Time: afternoon
The witness claims he was walking on a back trail with his dog when he saw six to ten ‘ships' fly low overhead. Three of them were inverted ‘Y' from the back and front. Those ships landed on a clearing while three more flew overhead. These three were black with a blue outline on the hexagon wings. From the front view they looked like an ‘H' with a ball in the center. The ones that landed where white with white blinking lights, such as an aircraft on earth and a constant blue light on the back, their two wings were folded up on the bottom, making a ‘W' shape. As they landed they emitted a deep moaning and whining sound like a jet engine. When that happened, 6 ramps, two per ship opened up and then several human-like creatures came out. They wore white with black joint areas, one took off his helmet and he looked very human, he also carried what appeared to be some Type of black automatic weapon. There were dozens of ‘aliens' some were talking and some were unloading boxes. They spoke English, and seemed to be military but not ‘ours'. The witness got a glance inside the only window on the ship closest to him and inside he saw a human wearing a space suit like those of an astronaut and a black helmet. Soon the ships departed and the witness left.


The Anomalist Journal article has some high weirdness. The 1st of my 2 favs is from 1978 & involves 3 Russian teenagers leaving a New Year's eve party through a narrow basement corridor. One stumbles and falls through a solid concrete wall into a darkened room with one window which appears to look out over a fourth floor view of some very green trees blowing in a wind. He then walks through two rooms until he encounters a number of black humanoids. He then hears a male voice say, "Him?'
A second voice says, "No, not him?" Then the 1st voice says, "Memory erasure is necessary."
At this the teen bolts from the rooms and falls back through the wall into the basement corridor. When he finally locates his friends they insist they've been searching for him for an hour, but he is completely sure he was only gone 5 minutes.

The other is from Uganda, 1995.
A man witnesses a 12 foot tall "red-colored winged creature with glowing blonde curly hair & what seemed to be a halo effect around his head."
"The being appeared to have an additional set of ribs that were below his normal ribs, about waist level. His legs were fur like and it stood upon hooves instead of feet."

They stared at each other for minutes, then the "angel"(?) delivered the now typical religious message with overtones of future apocalyptic gloom and then turned & walked off into the 16 foot high sugarcane.

If these folk are all lying, what could the possible motive be other than to say "Hey, look at me, I'm nuts!"

& if they're really & truly "hallucinating" then please, someone hook me up with that dealer.

Otherwise the world is really stranger than I could possibly imagine.

Here I am thinking that the guy my wife & I saw in Chicago about 12 years ago was strange. This guy was dressed in business type shorts with a button down white shirt & black tie carrying a briefcase.
Every time that he entered a large group of pedestrians going the opposite direction, his left arm would shoot up & he'd elbow someone right in the face & then walk on.
My wife & I tailed him to a religious store staffed by one nun.
The man & the nun spoke familiarly for a few minutes & then he left after glaring in a most malevolent manner at my wife & I; as if he knew that we followed him, which, in my opinion, would have been impossible since we maintained a respectable distance.
My wife then asked the nun about the man & she was told he was a priest.

But obviously, there's an entire chunk of reality that I'm missing out on.

And frankly, I'm a little pissed about that.

7/06/2007 03:23:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Jeff said;

“Under the Bush years, the signs by which Americans and much of the Western world have lived have become so evidently estranged from what they allegedly signify that they now suggest little more than the lies told by Power to maintain itself. "Freedom," "democracy," "justice": Everybody knows. Among other things, Bush is the Deconstruction President.”


Power interests have always manipulated ‘signs’ to control what they signify. Yet expediency has its limits and the moral imperative (ought) still tries to bring substance to the form. Our signs are poor signifiers because our model of reality is inadequate.

7/06/2007 06:17:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Jeff said;

“To my thinking, investigation and analysis of the points of collusion should be a large part of what "9/11 Truth" is about.”

How far did investigation and analysis of the points of collusion go to bring the Savings and Loan criminals to justice? I am reminded of a quote on the back cover of a Kissinger biography, where it said; ‘the law is like a spider web, it only catches the weak’. Frankly, I do not think that the power asshats care what is found out about physical evidence or points of collusion.

7/06/2007 06:58:00 AM  
Blogger Jeff said...

"So, are you familiar with either Albert Rosales article in the new Anomalist Journal or his website,
http://iraap.org/rosales/?"


Yes! I really like his humanoid contact database. I've cited it in previous posts but I'd had a bad link to it, so I'm grateful for this one. And thanks for the updates and for your own account.

7/06/2007 07:29:00 AM  
Blogger ImpeccableLiberalCredentials said...

This is strange:

"a man leaning against the telephone pole on the corner. He was dressed well, in a black suit with an open collar maroon shirt. He was tall, maybe 6'4" and was white with short jet black hair. He couldn't be sure of the distance, but was convinced that the stranger's eyes were completely jet-black. The scariest part was that the stranger was staring across this crowded intersection at the witness with an incredibly smug look on his face. The witness, an Iraq war vet, was suddenly filled with "abject terror". The stranger's appearance was absolutely impeccable and he was just standing there, like he knew something the witness didn't and as if it were something the witness "wasn't going to like"...

I was traveling in Feb 2007, but I wasn't in Indianapolis very long, at night. In fact I don't think I left my vehicle. Is it possible that some non-physical part of my soul was stalking Iraq War vets in Indianapolis? I probably wouldn't waste my time on someone who could not shed more light on the whys and whatnexts...

Anabasis and Anabasis... that was definitely on my mind at the time... it seemed like the naming of the CIA operations pre-invasion plan for Iraq was some sort of fateful or magical act...

Otherwise I was more interested in concrete reality and concrete steps than I think of the bulk of the people I was influenced by at the time... Deepak Chopra and Marianne Williamson and the character from "the Secret", Rev. Michael Beckwith, had all been part of the show.

or

perhaps it was your techno-occult shadow warriors playing around with my image... I don't even have one like that handy but it would be this suit
with this shirt. A favorite combination...

Anyway, we should get back to the business of injecting hope that the Libby outrage will lead to a legal, non-violent comings-to-account for the Bush/Cheney regime, like the impeachment of Cheney (H. Res 333).

7/06/2007 08:46:00 AM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Jeff said:

But that's a failure of political language which doesn't know the nuance of parapolitics, and it is one which allows those inside, to one degree or another, to define our terms for us.

It is not surprising that an initial inquiry into the semiotics of our times turned into squabbling about whether or not “Bush,” an apparently potent symbol, is a law breaker because he commuted a sentence of a criminal none of us have ever seen. The whole Libby story was PR from start to finish; any crime that anyone is committing here is symbolic and that’s all. For people to reduce this post to an argument over some crap like whether or not Bush has constitutional powers to commute the sentence of a virtual criminal is to worship the symbol like an idol; see the hygiene of the hair-splitters worsening as they mind the idol instead of the temple.

All of the posters here who have polluted this original musing with the non-issues of the endless stream of nonsense that flows out of the ministry of information everyday are merely unwitting (or perhaps knowing) agents for the PR God. The validity and pertinence of Jeff’s original post is illustrated brilliantly by the response. He couldn’t have proved his point better. By referring to a mere example of a current event to show how symbolic acts of e-speech are mostly irrelevant, dozens of people, obsessed by Public Relations stories, found that vehicle of instruction, the Libby case, to be the most intriguing aspect of his original post.

7/06/2007 12:32:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

The Omnimental one says, playing the Bad Cop side for Jeff's stoic silence which is somehow interpreted as 'friendly' I guess:

"By referring to a mere example of a current event to show how symbolic acts of e-speech are mostly irrelevant,.."

Irrelevant? Au contraire. You should tell that to the Chinese , where acts of their "e-speech" alone kicked off multi-city simultaneous environmental protests using that so called "useless thing called the internet".

It's not all airless talk you know.

If it was, elites would hardly be obsessed with erecting their own Great Firewalls (like China has):

"Chinese "networked protesters...spread news of upcoming protests by SMS, Twitter updates & online bulletin boards" in attempts to get around their one-party state's 'Great Firewall of China',..."...first public protests since 1989, courtesy of the internet.

7/06/2007 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

omnimental ,

I didn't mention Libby in the following tirade--does that mean it's kosher, or am I peddling irrelevancies too?


AJ,

Sorry not to have gotten back to you (and Richard and ericswan), but I’ve been sort of indisposed the last few days, which is a shame because there are some great things being discussed here…

Anyway, there are several reasons why I think Corso was a liar. First off, I think that this Great Man model of discovery is false. Parallel evolution and cooperative, many-threaded development is a much more accurate way of looking at things. Edison was either a brilliant inventor, a thief, or something in between…a restless mind who combined the work of many others into his own (with or without attribution).

This isn’t to say that there haven’t been great minds, because we all know there have been. It’s when they are self-proclaimed great men that I become a little suspicious.

I first became skeptical of Corso as I was reading The Day After Roswell—everything was framed in relation to his heroic attempts to save the world from the commies and other un-American interests. He and his superior—I forget the general’s name—were the only honest men in the world, and they saw to it that the recovered, reverse-engineered alien technologies (which Corso himself, the unparalleled Renaissance man, figured out where all the scientists and experts had failed) were distributed to good, reliable American corporations for implementation for the benefit of all mankind…through the glorious free market, naturally.

The story stinks on so many levels I can’t begin to list them all. One point in Corso’s adventures in unreality does stick in my craw, however. The presumed alien artifacts were, according to Corso, consigned to a dusty filing cabinet in his Pentagon office—forgotten, deemd unimportant, etc. If we assume that they were in fact alien artifacts, does this really make any sense whatsoever?

The other part of Corso I distrust is his Cold Warrior background. I wrote the following about him in the thread after Jeff’s The Monolith Monsters post:

Yeah, Corso needs a Venn diagram, alright, and I just happened to have one handy-like. The man was up to his pointy ears in Gladio, the Knights of Malta, army intelligence, etc, etc. Why would anyone trust someone who hung out with Lemnitzer and thought that the CIA was too liberal? Oy!
2/07/2007 02:52:00 PM


after which an anonymous person wrote some objection to Jeff’s allegation that Corso was a spreader of disinformation:

Anonymous said...
Jeff-

Normally I'm right with on your perspective and the articles you write, However I feel your charachterization of Corso's account as "disinformation" is rather ignorant. There's no reason in the world why his account can't be from his forthright perspective, while still being kept far from the true at the bottom of the iceberg.


to which I responded:

Not the company he kept? Not his rabid, ultra rightwing old school Nazi connections? Not the admissions throughout his book that spreading disinformation was what he did for a living?!

Okay, tell you what. Follow the link I gave upfield to the diagram site, then follow his connections in the other diagrams you'll find there--you know, peerless democrats and fine, honorable men like Klaus Barbie, Hans Globke, and everybody's favorite odd couple, Reinhard Gehlen & Lyman Lemnitzer--and then browse his other connections, you know, stuff like Paperclip, Gladio, and those benevolent fraternal organizations like the Knights of Malta, army intelligence, etc, etc, and then tell us why you'd choose to put any faith in anything he said.

As Jeff has many times explained, disinformation is not entirely, or even predominately untrue, it's just that the truth is massaged in such a way that the result is far more misleading than outright lies. I'm willing to accept that Roswell "happened" in some form or another, but when Corso tells you flat out in his book that he and the general he worked for considered and exploited the many possible angles for disguising the nature of the truth regarding the "alien experience," doesn't that do anything to his credibility?
2/08/2007 02:51:00 PM


Then there's Budd Hopkins on Corso.

Interestingly, this all fits in quite nicely with what Richard was talking about with this guy Cialdini’s perspective on what we believe and why:

Once people agree to an initial statement, they begin to formulate their own personal reasons for that agreement. So even if the original statement is shown to be completely false, their need for consistency practically compels them to follow the original, based on a false premise, course of action. Only now their agreement is based on the reasoning that they've created, rather than the original, now false, statement.


Richard,

Cialdini’s got it just right, from one side of the equation—how we react to the initial imprint or conditioning—but it also begs the question as to who plants these original, based on a false premise(s), course(s) of action…and, what the hell we might do about it.

Here’s what I’m thinking on this subject. A long time ago, it seems, I happened to stumble upon an essay that had an enormous impact on my thinking about how the world works: Dave West’s Low, Dishonest Decade, which I’ve linked here more times than anything else. Now, I could say that part of the reason that this piece struck me so hard was that it resonated so bizarrely with the premise of a book that I started writing almost 20 years ago, but when I consider it from the perspective of your once-people-agree-to-an-initial-statement…idea from Cialdini, it goes a long way toward explaining why we’re stuck with this Oily Regime, even though many (some?) of us know that we don’t really need oil for anything.

I’ve tried to get Jeff interested in this several times because it involves the type of detective work that he’s so good at, but so far he hasn’t taken the bait. (You still listening, Jeff?) I know that you guys have heard this spiel from me many times, so instead of summarizing the story, I’ll try to stick to talking about why it’s important and explaining what a great opportunity this presents for actually doing something with our ten million agonized ether-voices.

The reason Dave called this piece The Low, Dishonest Decade is because the events in those 1930s have shaped our world more than any other—even the war years of the following decade or the many decades of the Cold War. It was here that the Hydrocarbon Hydra was conceived on the altar of secrecy & monopoly. Not just coincidentally, eugenics, fascism and transnational corporate hooliganism all assumed the primary Gestalt they were to carry forward at this time as well (even though each had its earliest incarnations previously).

The world was poised at the brink of an abyss in the early 1930s. The Great Depression had spread (not unassisted, btw.) across the world by this point and there was a growing resistance to the imposition of the representative democracies which were forced upon the “losing” side of WWI. (In actuality, the only winners in that war were the profiteers, and man, did they make out like bandits!) Many historians claim that the growth of fascism and strong-man governments was inevitable at this time because the conquered nations had no strong democratic tradition or institutions to support governments of, by and for “the people,” but this is a specious argument in many ways, since no country has ever really been allowed to develop truly representative governments before or since (despite what the propaganda mills might tell us).

If WWI was really about a clash of empires competing for markets (the chickens of Metternich’s “century of peace” coming home to roost after their colonies were saturated or otherwise bled dry), then the 1930s were a time of corporate jostling and adjustment, a time when the real forces behind the political rhetoric were working out pie slices for generations to come. I.G. Farben, Bayer, Krupp, Thiessen, G.E., Standard Oil, DuPont and Dow Chemical Alcoa, ITT, General Motors, Ford, (behind whom hovered, as always, the bankers & Wall Street) etc, etc, and…the new players: media concerns, like the Hearst Syndicate.

You have to remember that this was a time of great transition, socially, economically and politically. For the first time in history (or at least this time around, if you also reckon in Deep Time), more people were beginning to live in cities than in rural areas. We were becoming mobile, too. Transient, in many ways. Part of this transience was due to the new modes of transport—electric and internal combustion vehicles were increasing our ability to go places in a truly revolutionary manner. Another level was mental and spiritual—intellectual & spiritual fads rose and fell as never before. The old patterns were broken; the new way had yet to gel.

Into the breach came the titans of industry.

One of these, Henry Ford, was an iconoclast of immense influence on our way of life. His affordable cars and his mechanization of labor contributed to our uprooted unsettled-ness. Ford was a complicated case. Or just a plain nutcase, depending on your perspective. While claiming to be for the common man, a claim he backed up by paying his workers twice the going rate at the time, he was really more of a wannabe feudal baron. He tried to create a sort of manor system where all the workers’ needs were met under the company tent…as long as they didn’t get any funny ideas about unionizing. No one was more fervently anti-communist than Henry Ford. That and his “International Jew” newsletter earned him Nazi Germany’s highest medal for foreigners.

Okay, so that’s the background, more or less. There’s actually a lot more, but these are the basic facts for our story, except for one last link: the “new” science of chemurgy, a term coined by Dr. William Hale, a biochemist with Dow Chemical Company. While Hale took the credit for inventing this new science of making chemicals and raw materials from plants, he was also something of a Corso—it was actually George Washington Carver who almost single handedly made a science of this notion. The problem was that Carver’s face was the wrong color for this crowd. Speaking of chemurgy and Hale, Dave West writes:

He, and Wheeler McMillan, turned it into a movement. The Farm Chemurgic Council was inauguarated in Dearborn in 1935 under Ford's auspices. The science was reasonable. Why pay farmers not to grow on their land, as the Roosevelt Administration had begun doing with the Agricultural Adjustment Act in 1933, when what you really should do is find expanded uses for the crops? Organic chemistry had just been invented and it was dazzling with the plethora of groovy new stuff: celluloid film, nylon hose. The chemists were having their day. They'd recently had their war.

Soon they'd have another.

Times had been hard in the farm sector through the Twenties while they roared inebriant in the Prohibited cities. Wheeler McMillan put it in a nutshell:

"The seeds of the depression of the nineteen-thirties were planted in the war years 1914-18. They sprouted in August, 1921. That was when country banks were ordered by the Federal Reserve Board not to renew their notes from ranchmen and farmers but to collect them in full and at once."

It was a ripe ground for isolationist, nationalist, fascist, anti-Semitic sentiments. It was a package deal and Coughlin and his ilk found fertile soil.

As were the Bonus Marchers, the farmers were looking for relief. And with the same cynicism toward farmers they had recently shown toward the vets, namely, that they represented a naive and loutish bunch who could be led like sheep, the Liberty League sought to exploit their disaffection. The League had spawned another front which now feigned concern for the plight of farmers. We read about it in William McCune's 1956 expose Who's Behind Farm Policy?

"During the mid-thirties, [Farm Bureau Federation President, 'Ed'] O'Neil blasted the Farmers' Independence Council of America, which had been created by the Liberty League to fight the Agricultural Adjustment Administration, the foundation of price supports. A Senate investigation in 1936 found that financial backers of the Farmers' Independence Council included Lamont DuPont ($5,000); Alfred P. Sloan, Jr., of General Motors; Winthrop A. Aldrich, Board Chairman of the Chase National Bank; Ogden Mills, former Secretary of the Treasury, Arthur Beeter, attorney for Swift & Company; and J. N. Pew, of the Sun Oil Company."

Here again we find the same set who had just tried to overthrow the government, this time, down on the farm. Lamont and his friends (O'Neill called them the "Wall Street Hayseeds) were supporters of the Farm Chemurgic Council. The support came through the Chemical Society, a private company set up by the Alien Property Custodian, Frances Garvan. In his role as Alien Property Custodian, he handled the allocation of chemical patents seized from Farben in the last war. These, of course, went preferentially to DuPont. The accusation of a sweetheart relationship between Garvan and DuPont went to the Supreme Court, which let DuPont keep the booty in 1928. Garvan, Hale, McMillan and Ford, were the founders of the Farm Chemurgic Council. They were undeniably birds of a feather of whom the Treasury Department would have been quite leery given the publicly declared political views of the more outspoken of them.

Dr. William Hale was the philosopher of the Chemical Age, which he thought was going to be jimdandy. He looked forward to all the great stuff the organic chemical industry was spewing forth. But the farms, Hale argued, not oil wells, should be the source of biochemicals: "anything you can make from hydrocarbons, you can make from carbohydrates." He was precocious in recognizing the problems of petrochemical pollution: "...the death rate from degenerative diseasees , such as heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and gastrointestinal disorders, has doubled between 1900 and 1940." He wrote several books, one a history of mankind tracing civilization and its discontents to their origins in the usurious "Babylonian" banking system.


At this point, the narrative gets pretty crowded with Nazis, industrialists, eugenicists, etc both backing the homegrown chemurgy movement and also sabotaging it from within.

Timing is everything. DuPont was just about to unveil a whole range of products and applications for petroleum based chemical patents. On the chemurgy side, a huge boost came from the invention of the German decorticator which revolutionized the millennia-old production of hemp fiber and “cellulose from the byproduct hurds, and cellulose in the 1930s was, as one author expressed it, ‘the chemical that grows,’ the quintessential chemurgic crop.”

In fact, the Fiber Wars ended before a shot was fired. DuPont conspired with William Randolph Hearst, the FBI’s Harry Anslinger, Standard Oil, the many banks of Wall Street and other players too numerous to mention (although I.G. Farben does deserve special mention) to create a New World Order on the eve of WWII. Oil would drive that war and the world created in its wake. Chemurgy would become “irrelevant,” a curious footnote in some history books, hemp would be forever conflated with Marijuana, the Killer Weed (even though they are actually quite separate plants with equally distinct uses and properties).

Now we have a world which has come to depend on the political order set up by the multinationals and an economic order based on petroleum. As Dave West recently told me when I was talking to him about the cover up regarding carbohydrate plastics:

"Take the major activities of daily life: food and health. Both are made from oil. Oil flows into the field and out as corn. Oil is the precursor for virtually all chemical synthesis (coal tar too), so our medicines are made of oil. We eat it and when we’re sick, we medicate with it. The crops are grown with chemical inputs on all levels.

The chemurgic notion was anathema to that system."


And it still is. Corso worked for those folks who designed the modern world. He admits, freely and at many points in his heroic autobiography, that he also peddled disinformation whenever he saw the need, which was quite often indeed.

The reason I’ve gone into such detail here is that we’re at another such crossroads. This time, it’s not a carbohydrate or chemurgical revolution which threatens the Owners, since the raw materials regime is very firmly entrenched, a kind of perpetual monopoly (see Mark for details on this), but the idea of decentralized, untethered energy production. Maybe even “free” energy. The most dire threat to the whole sick edifice they’ve built.

Watch what happens with Steorn this month. While it will probably just be another Cold Fusion hatchet job to keep the restless Tesla-revering masses quiet, it could also trigger something far more sinister.

If we’ve been sold the original bill of goods—that there is no free lunch, that we need oil to maintain our lifestyle, that we need repressive militarist regimes to protect our “freedoms”—then we’ll be willing to accept the next New World they sell us.

Corporate Green.

Civil liberties and social justice will have to take a seat way in the back of the bus, ‘cuz resources are more important than we are. The new ecofascism will be unlike anything the Blood ‘n Soil crowd ever dreamed of perpetrating because they’ll be doing it in our own interest and that of the Earth itself. Or, their elitist banker interpretation of where those interests lead. And it’s already happening.

The good news is that some scientists and even more practical folks like engineers & tinkerers are tired of suckling the thin milk of the Orthodox teat. New materials that are not made with petroleum are being developed. Quietly. Independent permaculture research is proving that we can produce more and better food without the pesticide and GM regime of agribiz. Again, quietly. My own little project of rebuilding urban centers with energy independent houses and cooperative, money-less organization is being echoed in half a dozen cites in North America alone.

The false premises of the world built in the 1930s are showing their seams. Get involved, help us tear this thing down and replace it with something really green…and true.

Here’s a great place or two for you investigators out there to start:

The half-assed cover up still being floated on Ford’s plastic hemp car. (It’s full of such lies & inconsistencies that the Owners are going to have to replace it with something else once someone as bright as our Jeff here gets on this one.)

The Hidden Patent Scheme. (See C. Lester Walker "Secrets By The Thousands".) Why haven’t any of those patents ever been released, as they were promised, to the general public, instead of only in secret to Philip Corso’s friends in the M-I complex?

The independent researcher striking gold…and fading away syndrome. (Here’s a recent example you guys might not have seen.)

We might be conditioned to follow a deep lie, but there’s an even deeper thirst for the truth. And freedom (not the kind they’re selling us.)

ericswan,

I'm reading your stuff...and reading...

7/06/2007 02:26:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Omnimental is working with a relevant theme. Most people, and activists more than others, tend to get caught up in the glamour of the spectacle. Surely, this promotes the show rather than bringing it to an end.

7/06/2007 05:42:00 PM  
Blogger Dale said...

Manifesto: The Mad Farmer Liberation Front by Wendell Berry

Love the quick profit, the annual raise,
vacation with pay. Want more
of everything ready-made. Be afraid
to know your neighbors and to die.
And you will have a window in your head.
Not even your future will be a mystery
any more. Your mind will be punched in a card
and shut away in a little drawer.
When they want you to buy something
they will call you. When they want you
to die for profit they will let you know.
So, friends, every day do something
that won't compute. Love the Lord.
Love the world. Work for nothing.
Take all that you have and be poor.
Love someone who does not deserve it.
Denounce the government and embrace
the flag. Hope to live in that free
republic for which it stands.
Give your approval to all you cannot
understand. Praise ignorance, for what man
has not encountered he has not destroyed.
Ask the questions that have no answers.
Invest in the millennium. Plant sequoias.
Say that your main crop is the forest
that you did not plant,
that you will not live to harvest.
Say that the leaves are harvested
when they have rotted into the mold.
Call that profit. Prophesy such returns.
Put your faith in the two inches of humus
that will build under the trees
every thousand years.
Listen to carrion––put your ear
close, and hear the faint chattering
of the songs that are to come.
Expect the end of the world. Laugh.
Laughter is immeasurable. Be joyful
though you have considered all the facts.
So long as women do not go cheap
for power, please women more than men.
Ask yourself: Will this satisfy
a woman satisfied to bear a child?
Will this disturb the sleep
of a woman near to giving birth?
Go with your love to the fields.
Lie easy in the shade. Rest your head
in her lap. Swear allegiance
to what is highest your thoughts.
As soon as the generals and the politicos
can predict the motions of your mind,
lose it. Leave it as a sign
to mark the false trail, the way you didn't go.
Be like the fox
who makes more tracks than necessary,
some in the wrong direction.
Practice resurrection.

7/06/2007 06:49:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Thanks Sounder...for being sane. Mark, I really think demonstrations are great and all but like Sounder said earlier in the thread:

How far did investigation and analysis of the points of collusion go to bring the Savings and Loan criminals to justice? I am reminded of a quote on the back cover of a Kissinger biography, where it said; ‘the law is like a spider web, it only catches the weak’. Frankly, I do not think that the power asshats care what is found out about physical evidence or points of collusion.

Thus, the underlings of the power infrastructure (proles?) need not care about the law, just about power and stealth. While the "elite" (as they love to be referred to) prescribe for their subjects "peaceful demonstration," by which we busy ourselves identifying the enemy from all angles and with every semantic qualification, they kill off, imprison, deceive, and generally subjugate the spirits of any who is not affiliated with their military-mind-control complex.

So much mass demonstration just serves to be the squeaky wheel by which the masters can gauge the hearts and minds of those they control. If the masses wore their (metaphoric) guns on their sleeves a little more often than than their hearts, we might find the "elites" a little more confounded as to what brings what to a head and a litte more rattled as a result of their knowledge and awareness of the overwhelming existence of unpredictable and violent subjects (i.e. as opposed to acquiescent and predictible ones). In other words, demonstrations are just a cue to the rulers that the subject of the demonstration is intolerable to the point of mass objection, therefore must be tweaked to accomodate and enable the perpetuity of the current state of things. This is what Sounder is talking about: instead of "bringing [things] to an end," the demonstrators just serve as a red flag for subsequnet honing of the system. This is hardly empopwering to the masses.

Yeah, irridescent, you are obviously--and no kidding here--a valid intellect. My point was just that Jeff raised what I feel to be a monumnetally quintessential topic, and it was not discussed at length or even conceeded to be at all intriguing or provokative of an answer. This kind of silence or redirection is what I expect from MegaMedia Inc., not bloggers with nothing to gain but a black eye. I suggest that through diligence and grace /on your own blog/ you establish the audience that Jeff has, then you can distract and lead /your/ audience (not Jeff's) into whatever intellectual game of twister you would like. Our point is simply, Ghandi might have been a nice guy, but walking a long distance to protest working long hours is not very effective against murderous, megalomaniacal tyrants. Obviously violence isn't either unless suicide is your thing.

I suggest that brilliant people find ways to subvert, infiltrate and generally confuse (legally of course) the world markets and other major systems to force the f***ers to show their hands as often as possible so that the beknighted horde will awaken. Unfortunately, organization is not easy, what with the destabilization and division program executed with cruel efficiency by "Them." Usually these protests are nothing more than FBI or CIA (or some other agency) fronts to control the debate on certain issues.

A good example would be the INFACT campaign in the early 1990s by some "activists" to get GE to stop producing neutron triggers (See documentary Deadly Deception. Incidentally, the powers that be already were ending the cold war (Berlin Wall came down in '88?) and were already going to stop nuclear arms sales at the former rate; the War on Terra was slated already to replace the war on commies. So....Instead of letting this opportunity pass as just another regrouping of industry focus, they figured they would get an "activist" group involved to legitimate the idea of modern peaceful activism. By such a bold and concise victory as was "won" against GE by INFACT, young hippies could see how effective "activism" (and not violence, or other types of subversion) could be. In case you still don't get it: GE was already planning on getting rid of the neutron triggers; they figured, "let the hippies take the trophy on this one and we can convince a whole generation that peaceful activism makes a difference," when in reality, activism just lets them in on what's on our minds (after they raise the issue in the first place with their undercover "activists" as a feeler tentacle) while what's on their mind /remains/ only the subject of endless conjecture.

Viva la Revolucion

7/06/2007 07:03:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

IC, one question about something that's been bugging me about the Peak Energy post that you linked to above.

The blogger quotes this:

"The U.S. is Microsoft. Al Qaeda is Linux.

That, at least, is the grossly-oversimplified version of John Robb's new book, Brave New War. Such a parallel has nothing to do with politics, but with position. The United States, and other centralized, conventionally powerful global actors, fill a role in the geopolitical ecosystem akin to Microsoft: big and slow to respond; wealthy and wasteful; hierarchical and ossified. Al Qaeda, and other distributed, guerrilla insurgency and terrorist movements, fill a geopolitical role more akin to Linux: decentralized and nimble; open to new entrants; innovative out of necessity. It's for good reason that Robb refers to the conflicts now underway as "open source warfare," and the distributed participants, "global guerrillas."

Now, on the surface, this sort of makes terrorists sound a bit noble, doesn't it?

But that's not my question.

Considering that al Queda is a creation of the western intelligence apparatus, wouldn't this "open source warfare" be better described as Microsoft vs. Linux if Microsoft was secrtetly behind Linux & reaping the rewards of this self-created illusion of competition where, in actuality, no competition exists at all?

Or am I reading this wrong?

7/06/2007 08:22:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Richard,

You're not reading it wrong, at all. Rather, you are reading it precisely as it is.

We're fucked. As you said earlier, Cialdini's book won't be read by The Masses in order to understand just how easily they are manipulated and how to avoid it (as if "they" wouldn't develop other mechanisms should this one be discovered by The Masses). Instead, it's being marketed to the future leaders of Corporate America so they can flush humanity down the drain without stopping up the toilet in the process.

Just landed a new job in Corporate America working with, and for the jackasses we rail against every day on this blog. I'm a fuckin hypocrit, as are we all. I am deep in the belly of the beast and it's eating me alive....all so I can raise my children to venture deeper into the seemingly endless belly where we already reside.

Choke me, choke us, in the shallow water before we get too deep....nah, forget it, it's already way too deep, and I'm afraid we have passed the point of no return long ago.

I was in Pa. a week and a half prior visiting family....Fascists, who happen to share my blood...otherwise, I have nothing in common with them. They are preparing their children to feed the Beast that is matriculating our painful, but deserved demise. One just landed a job with Bloomberg...he was Captain of his College Soccer Team and has a list of meaningless accomplishmets a mile long. I am seriously thinking about sending the Zietgeist movie link to him, anonymously, as part of his deeducation, but part of me says why bother when you know it's like spitting into a headwind.

I thought about coming to see you....I have more in common with you than I do with with my own blood. Maybe next time. We should all meet up somewhere at some point....I know it will never happen, but it would make it more real, IMHO. I promise to leave my CIA badge at home, if we did decide to have a reunion, and I'm sure you would do the same.

7/06/2007 09:04:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

IC:

Thanks for the link about tree planting in Niger.

Our group, "Trees for Life:Haiti" has planted 16,000 trees since May !st and 280,000 since we began our efforts.

"Trees for Life is not really about planting trees but about the regeneration of the spirit of people."
Founder TFL, Balbir Mathur

7/06/2007 09:21:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Everything hurts
The bed sheets, the falling air from the vent, the sounds of the technology artificially sustaining my life
Yet, even though the end draws nears, I feel surprisingly relieved
The Beast is precipitously releasing its grip
My body is immobile, yet my soul is buoyant and ready for flight
If only then I had realized what I know now
I try to express it to the younger ones who reluctantly come to pay their respects
But, it falls on unreceptive ears….my ears, 50 years prior
What a cruel twist of fate it is
That pain, suffering and death are the three wise men who so often accompany us to the other side
And juxtapose with the incredible sense of true freedom
The fantastic lightness of being that we so vainly attempt to conjure with poor medicinal substitutes
As the world outside dwindles and the world beyond clarifies, I can’t help wondering
Why…..why must it be this way?

7/06/2007 09:36:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

I found this on The Cleaver



Unplugging The Matrix: Generate Your Own Reality:

Sooner or later the intelligent human mind realizes that reality is an illusion. This operates on many levels: perceptual, historical, political, molecular, spiritual. Depending on knowledge, circumstances and belief system – our reality tunnel – we will each have a preferred method and subject of investigation. The scientifically inclined may turn to quantum physics, string theory and holography for answers. The religious temperament may begin to unravel the outer allegories of their sacred texts to get to the inner mysteries of true enlightenment. The social historian may realize that realpolitik, the private military-industrial complex and supra-national globalist agendas influence world affairs more than any seemingly democratic government. In the end however, all roads lead to the same destination: pretty much everything around us is not the way we thought it was.

This epiphany is nothing new. The sages of old, the philosophers, scientists and mystics were aware of this thousands of years ago. Much of their knowledge was handed down and recorded for the benefit of successive generations, but as the sands of time blow across the ages, things can get obscured, lost and even forgotten. Changes to Earth and its ecosystem can further bury man’s knowledge so it appears as if it were never there in the first place. But inevitably, some inquisitive mind will come along and rediscover the ancient wisdom for himself, and upon the quest, will realize that his attainment is indeed an unearthing rather than an original creation. It is a remembrance.

One fundamental principle of the illusion is the false impression of separation; the idea that we are somehow separate from the material things in our world. This is still the foundation for much of our thinking today. Well to distil a thousand learned books into one comment: we are not separate. At the deepest level everything is connected to everything else. Quantum physicist David Bohm (1917-1992) postulated that the ultimate nature of physical reality is not a collection of separate objects (as it appears), but rather it is an undivided whole that is in perpetual dynamic flux. Bohm was reinterpreting ancient knowledge and translating it into a modern quantum vocabulary. This was his remembrance: “at a deeper level [matter and consciousness] are actually inseparable and interwoven… Deep down the consciousness of mankind is one.”

We are not separate from the things in our world and we are not separate from each other. Bohm called this gigantic flow of energy and consciousness the holomovement.

Within this paradigm, neurophysiologist Karl Pribram suggests that our most fundamental notions about reality become suspect, for in a holographic universe, even random events are based on holographic principles and therefore determined. Synchronicities or meaningful coincidences suddenly makes sense, and everything in reality is seen as a metaphor, for even the most haphazard events express some underlying symmetry. As Pribram himself summarized: “the descriptions you get with spiritual experiences seem to parallel the descriptions of quantum physics.”

The Holomovement

You may be familiar with the holodeck from Star Trek. This is in fact, a mini implementation of Bohm’s holomovement concept. According to the Star Trek Technical Manual, the holodeck is an enclosed room in which objects and people are simulated by a combination of replicated matter animated with weak tractor beams, as well as shaped force fields onto which holographic images are projected. Sounds and smells are simulated by speakers and fragranced fluid atomizers, respectively. The feel of a large environment is simulated by suspending the participants on force fields which move with their feet, keeping them in one place (a virtual treadmill). Perspective is retained through use of sound damping fields and graviton lenses, which make objects, people, and sounds appear to be more distant. The effect is an ultra-realistic simulation of an environment, with which the user can interact.

Wow. Wouldn’t you just love your own holodeck? Well, you’ve got one. And you’re already in it. It is the holomovement. Bigger and better than the holodeck. However, both systems do have one very important thing in common: they require a program to function. Without a program, they don’t work. There is only a blank nothingness. No program - no holodeck. And this is where we get to the crux of the matter.

We program the holomovement with our consciousness. Consciousness is the software behind everything. It follows then that if we create the holomovement, and the holomovement constitutes everything (all objects, places and people), then we co-create the entire universe, probably with many other beings and entities. What we call the soul is our little unit of consciousness that we get to work with. Sometimes we incarnate it on different planets and in different individuals. We call them lifetimes, people or experiences. When a 3D manifest experience is complete, the soul travels to a new destination. It is a constantly evolving piece of consciousness, indestructible and eternal. This is one of the great secrets of mankind.

Moreover, we can detect within the holomovement, evidence of a super-soul; an awesome quality of consciousness with an ancient evolutionary path that has existed for billions of years. This super-soul is responsible for nurturing and guiding the substructure of the holomovement and all the souls within it. Many refer to this entity as God. It is this super-soul that authored the holomovement programming language itself. It is my belief that God wants us to go through the holomovement, exploring, creating, enjoying and charting it.

A Virus In The System

When we don’t realize that we are generating our own reality, our contribution to the holomovement is negligible. The reality field that we generate is weak. We feel unimportant and at the mercy of the world’s ominous, random and wholly impersonal events. We have no control.

Even in this unnatural state, our consciousness (our dream as the Australian aboriginals call it) is still programming the holomovement; we are still generating reality. The difference is that the contents of our subconscious and unconscious mind (so easily influenced by external forces) are more literally translated into what we create. What we see through the TV screen we actually program and manifest into reality. Without real mindfulness of our creativity, we simply serve as conduits for the programming instructions we get from the Control System outlets – the TV, the media, the education system, the government and society as a whole. This is the virus that has crept into our section of the holomovement and is infecting our minds. It has contaminated most of the people on earth and corrupted their hard disk, causing them to forget their own infinite, independent, divine power. And sadly, the virus was released intentionally.

The creators of the virus have been around for millennia. They have remained well hidden and used third party agents to do their dirty work. Today we know their agents as The Globalists, The New World Order, The Illuminati, The Imperial Elitists etc. Whatever your prefer. All of them stretch back into antiquity in one form or another. Basic study consistently establishes that they have two main operational arms: the global political arm (Bilderberg, CFR, Trilateral Commission, Rockefeller Foundation, Club Of Rome, Tavistock Institute etc), and the secret fraternal arm (Freemasonry, Skull & Bones, Knights Of Malta, Knights Of Columbus, Rosicrucians etc). Information on these organizations is freely available to the reader for their own study. For now, in short, we may reasonably say of the fraternal societies that they are ancient, widespread and exceedingly influential in world affairs.

I have come to refer collectively to these groups and their methods of dominion as the Control System. This focuses the mind on the matter in hand and avoids any obscure cross referencing or unintentional intimations.

Unveiling The Control System

Naturally, the enquiring researcher’s studies will turn to specific events and mechanisms orchestrated by the Control System to provide the requisite level of evidence to substantiate the astonishing idea that our world is controlled by highly unpleasant forces. The initial shock that the government is most certainly not your friend, is actually one of the worst along the whole journey. Indeed it is here, at this crucible of realization, that most fail the preliminary test and instead opt out to follow a path of comfortable diversion.

For those resolute souls who forge ahead, deep study of the Control System leads to an even more profound unveiling. It becomes clear that even the Control System itself is merely camouflage to obscure a grander and much older strategy: what we now know as ‘the virus in the holomovement’. The awesome magnitude of this strategy, once conceived, indicates a total unlearning of all official personal, national, human and planetary history. The resultant cognitive dissonance at this point will stretch the researcher’s belief system to its limits. Even those who have fully unraveled a mysterious event that proves government complicity in some terrible act of violence, will be tempted to simply re-examine another aspect of the Control System. Find another project to pour themselves into. Better to be consumed in their own study than face the prospect of a total rebuilding of their personal belief system from the ground up. That’s a hard thing to do.

The Sleeper Must Awaken

You can only examine the Control System for so long. You can only investigate the inside jobs and the setups so many times. Yeah. They perpetrate this stuff all the time and the game has been rigged from the very beginning. So where are you going? What’s next? Sooner or later we must face up to our own spiritual and metaphysical reality. This is the real destination. Only from here can we begin to dismantle their power structures. It is time to get spiritual. It is time to suspend your belief system while you download a major upgrade.

We are infinite. We create reality.

Without true knowledge and internalization of this information, the Control System successfully manufactures reality for us by controlling our consciousness, our dream, our imagination. If the human consciousness is manipulated through fear-based and trauma-based systems (entrenched in our media, entertainment and news broadcasts) then the Control System can implant a reality of its own that keeps us self-limiting and passive. We are not required to be actively creative in their reality. We are just cabling for their network.

But something is changing at a fundamental level. It is accelerating events. Something that was predicted a long time ago. A natural spiritual awakening is occurring planet wide, as our galaxy moves back toward the galactic core where it’s unique frequencies begin to vibrate at higher levels. More and more people are waking up to their own spiritual potential and divine human identity. We do not need anyone else’s programming. The year 2012 marks a key energetic crossroads where a quantum leap in human awareness and a polarization of belief systems is likely. The Control System is well aware of this and is pulling out all the stops to consolidate its authority. Massive fear-based control events are planned - alien landings, plague, comet, world war, economic collapse. All attempting to nail down human consciousness and make it incapable of shaping its own destiny.

The Control System has one major disadvantage though: it does not possess something very important that we all have. Something very special and possibly rather rare in the universe.... what is this thing? It is our divine spark, our piece of the super-soul, our lineage to God. Did David Bohm feel this when he said: “in some sense man is a microcosm of the universe; therefore what man is, is a clue to the universe. We are enfolded in the universe.”

We must start generating our own reality again. Begin programming the holomovement with our ideas, our love, our intent and our infinite creativity.

The Control System’s holomovement virus is weak. It is dependent on our ignorance and disbelief for it to function properly. Awareness of its very existence begins to instantly erode it. Full comprehension of our own creative consciousness attacks the virus. When we begin to generate our own powerful reality fields again, the virus is eliminated. So we must get natural. No more implanted reality. No more Control System programming. We generate our own reality from now on.

7/06/2007 09:37:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"I thought about coming to see you"

Anytime pal. Yours is a hand I'd be glad to shake.

Here, this may make you smile a bit.

It ties in with your U.S. Open query & the article about the shortening of America.

During U.S. Open weekend I had to work. The local news, WPXI, was carrying a live feed starting during the 7 A.M. morning newscast. This newscast is essentially 4 hours of the same 5 or 6 news stories packaged with sports & weather replayed over & over & over.
It's kind of like CNN Headline News in extreme micro mode.
Since I start at 6:30 I get to see to the whole boring 4 hours.
The first live feed had sportscaster Rich Walsh & anchor David Johnson doing the reporting.
At this time the top of Mr. Walsh's head came up to about the nipple area of Mr. Johnson.
During every subsequent feed Mr. Walsh had magically increased in size until he stood level to Mr. Johnson.
So unless this guy had the largest, most unprecedented late in life growth spurt ever recorded, he was now standing on a box.

Now just imagine your normal huge egoed American, accustomed to being the "big guy" suddenly being faced with his shrinking stature.

Man, if the world thought we were butt crazy before, can you just imagine what kind of trouble this nation of over- weaponed lunatics will get up to when their egos start taking a good stature bruising?

The mind boggles, doesn't it?

Enjoy your weekend Shrub.
My daughter's been sick for 9 days now, & I have to work two doubles & I'm not too happy about any of it.

Peace.

7/06/2007 10:40:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

One more thing Shrub,

You're in Corporate America, I'm in a union.

Let me enlighten you about 15 years of wasted union dues.

For 15 years we've had a long succession of union reps who couldn't find their asses with both hands and an effing flashlight.

Each & every contract negotiation finds them slack-jawed and dumbfounded as the institutions lawyer hands them their heads on a nice shiny platter.

The lawyer, man o man, he is a prick.
A big stiff one.

Truthfully, if I could get away with it without jail, I'd pop the fucker.
Just on principle, if you know what I mean?

The membership...da brotherhood....isn't much better.

We were scheduled to strike a year or two ago-a strike I opposed-but it collapsed because the strike proponents discovered that the institution wouldn't pay them while on strike or cover their healthcare.

Insert that element of risk, and they wilted like a rose in a Saharan heatwave.

Not to mention the utter stupidity involved in thinking folk would actually pay you to dick with them.

They think unions are something you buy, like a new tv, & it just magically gets you better wages.

Few bother showing for the meetings so, consequently, little is ever accomplished.

There's actually a by-law that states that you'll be kicked out of the union if you fail to show for X number of union meetings.

If that were enforced they'd have to banish the majority of union members.

When faced with such a revenue hit, do you think the union

a. voted to kick out the scofflaws

or

b. voted to change the by-law.

If you picked a, under no circumstances should you open any e-mails originating in Nigeria.

This is why I find any mass transformation of America laughable at best.

7/06/2007 11:36:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

“… in reality, activism just lets them in on what's on our minds (after they raise the issue in the first place with their undercover ‘activists’ as a feeler tentacle) while what's on their mind /remains/ only the subject of endless conjecture.”


omnimental,

Yeah, that’s a good point about the nature of demonstrations these days and what it means to be an “activist”. What I’m advocating, however, is even further outside the political process. I want to obsolete them. Not through the voting machines (the codes for which are not owned by the voters themselves); not through policy initiatives or public mandate or caucusing or any of the other easily controlled and subverted avenues they leave us; certainly not through violence—justifying means by alleged ends is the moral short cut that got us into this mess in the first place—but by building some shit, not just tearing down the old shit mobstyle.

Ignoring their polities is the most radical and effective of methods. Sure, I’m trying to get Jeff to look into the history of the Hydrocarbon Swindle, ‘cuz it’s helpful to know where it all came from and it helps you recognize the same faces that are still at the trough, but fuck history and narrative too. If we can get some sectors of our rotting cities blooming and booming without money (the alchemical residue of true wealth), then we get folks to see that economies of abundance are not only possible but natural.

Right now, it feels like abundance is reckless, but that’s the conditioning—Richard and Cialdini’s false premise—it’s the manipulation of scarcity that’s reckless, along with the conspicuous consumption and the planned obsolescence and the Tsar & serf wealth disparity that are the key components of the so-called market system.

If we lived in energy & water self-sufficient housing and made tools, cars and clothing from materials that lasted 50 years instead of five…would we really still believe this bullshit about an “economy” that was “justified” in relying on 40 and 60 hour work weeks without healthcare and endless shopping for plastic crap that breaks down in 6 months and new home sales for upwardly mobile drones who don’t mind living in $500,000 toxic boxes?

I understand where you see my ideas as belonging somewhere else, even being subversive to Jeff’s mission, but without the alternative world I’m suggesting (which, btw, is not the model being sold in those trendy greenwashing circles), how are we supposed to know what the false premise under which we operate is obscuring? It’s my version of Terry Pratchett’s iron to break the spell of the dark elves’ glitz & glamour.

Polite Canadian though he is, I think Jeff would just tell me to shut up if he felt that way about my POV, which I haven’t exactly been shy in expressing.


Richard,

No, I think you (and Shrub) are reading that analogy correctly. It’s the appearance of competition that’s important here, not the reality. The relationship between the state and the terrorists is absolutely symbiotic and this is nothing new at all. It’s not like the CIA didn’t know that Gehlen’s Soviet troop strength & battle readiness estimates were purest fantasy; he was telling them what they wanted to hear, what they needed to justify their existence.

Yet again, it’s the symbol that has meaning, not the facts.


surrender,

Yes! The tree is a symbol that means something because it does something (quite a lot of things, actually).

Thanks for the holohigh. The only thing I’d add to it was that when Bohm & Pribram smashed the material/spiritual dichotomy, it means that we can access the one through the other (as long as our medium is “real”), since it’s all one. Planting those trees will get you just as high as reading cosmic treatises on their interconnectedness with you.


Shrub,

In your recent absence, we went and planned a field trip. Thought you might want to know. It was either to Iceland or the South Pole, not sure which won out. One of them has natural hot tubs.

7/07/2007 01:26:00 AM  
Blogger peng! said...

Jeff said:

"Instead of America's streets, America's chatrooms are filled, because its citizens have been given them for the appearance of a commons, and clatter with indignant typing. But 10 million people posting We're not gonna take it anymore! isn't a revolution."

But there was also an assembly of American citizens on July 4th, 2007 in Philadelphia:

http://actindependent.org/

where Webster Tarpley said:

"We meet in response to a grave political crisis. We see before us a society careening towards disaster. Bush-Cheney and their Republican allies flout the popular will and are determined to wage endless war, expanded beyond Iraq and Afghanistan to Iran and other countries, including with nuclear weapons. At the same time, they are transforming this country into an authoritarian police state. The Democrats, loyal to their own wealthy backers, ignore the Constitutional imperative of impeaching Bush and Cheney, despite crimes and abuses which cry out for impeachment. Now, the Democratic Party has voted to fund an escalated and expanded version of the very Iraq war they had pledged to end. Their excuse is that they did not have the votes. But they only needed to block the Iraq funding bill – something Pelosi could have done by herself as Speaker of the House. This massive betrayal has thrown the peace movement into disarray. Peace activists had taken seriously the Democrats’ pledge to end the war, and this approach has proven ineffective. In the background there are rumblings of a financial panic set off by the mortgage crisis, and by the ongoing death agony of the US dollar, which increase the hysteria of the ruling circles. The Republican presidential candidates eagerly debate the use of tactical nuclear weapons against Iran – a sure path to World War III – while Giuliani preens himself as a future dictator, and Mrs. Clinton can hardly conceal her enthusiasm for the coming attacks on Iran and Sudan. But the American people deserve something better than a choice between competing Republican and Democratic warmonger elitist cliques.

In her farewell message, Cindy Sheehan called on the peace movement to organize independently of the bankrupt two-party system. She also supported a new inquiry into 9/11. The peace movement needs a new strategy, and we are here in Philadelphia because we have taken Cindy Sheehan’s call seriously. We appeal to leftists, progressives, conservatives, libertarians, independents, and those entering or re-entering politics to transcend the artificial divisions that have diminished their impact. The anti-war, impeachment, anti-globalization, labor, civil rights, veterans, anti-tax, civil liberties, honest election, and 9/11 truth movements – along with civic and progressive religious groups and other issue groups -- have been weakened too long by single issues and narrow focus. It is time for these movements to unite as a national coalition on a common platform for independent action."

7/07/2007 02:41:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

The American buck devalued by more than one percent in one day against the Canadian dollar. That was yesterday. Today, Canadians have been informed that our Conservative government is floating the trial balloon of selling the AECL or 49% of the Atomic Energy of Canada Limited to General Electric. Apparently, GE has not been able to penetrate our heavy water reactor technology so they offered to buy it for $350 million. AECL is a crown corporation so we're talking here about giving yet another government agency to a private corporation. This is putting the fox in the henhouse or how to ensure the demise of independence in a world where corporations move freely and at their ease while citizens must have both feet nailed to the slaughterhouse floor.
And for one last nail in this coffin, the government of British Columbia has offered up free hydro generation to all comers with over 500 corporate applications to generate electricity on every stream or watercourse in the province. It's a sweet deal. They get to sell that power back to the citizens and the government turns it's collective back on the environmental consequences of their corporate greed. One last little kick at the can. This link opens many doors of perception with the primary goal of "expanding" the timeline as to participate in the long view. I particularily see Shrub in the midst of this dichotomy and one last thing..

Dale...that was a great post. I would like to hear more from you.



http://www.shout.net/~bigred/Cthulhu.html

7/07/2007 07:21:00 AM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Awrite, awrite, I just had an ax to grind with his (Jeff’s) latest post in particular….Cuz I too am a little unsatisfied with the all the “relying on 40 and 60 hour work weeks without healthcare and endless shopping for plastic crap that breaks down in 6 months and new home sales for upwardly mobile drones who don’t mind living in $500,000 toxic boxes,” as you so wonderfully, rantingly imbued. I am particularly tired of the endless stream of innuendos that take the place of honest discourse on the matters of which ye spake, the symbolisms that distract with salient intrigue.

I think I cannot top your rant right now. You didn’t piss me off enough. In fact, I am a little disappointed. But, anyways, you said:

we [can] get folks to see that economies of abundance are not only possible but natural...[if not for]... the manipulation of scarcity that’s [so] reckless, along with the conspicuous consumption and the planned obsolescence and the Tsar & serf wealth disparity that are the key components of the so-called market system.

Hey, that’s a nice vision, iridescent, fo real yo. And, as a realistic scenario of celebrated abundance you mentioned:

If we lived in energy & water self-sufficient housing and made tools, cars and clothing from materials that lasted 50 years instead of five.

It’s funny you might mention that. Even further off Jeff’s original topic, I have been looking at Honda’s website, and I know they are probably not as altruistic as they like to appear, but they have been talking about this possible future electricity grid system where people have (high temp?) fuel cells in their homes charging their electrically powered cars or fuel cell vehicles which can generate power and contribute to the grid when parked in the driveway, thus de-centralizing electricity production. Honda is releasing the first fully functional fuel cell vehicle for sale in the United States in 2008. I believe it has an on-board reformer (takes fossil fuel and turns it into H2 and other components including CO2…yuk) which is necessary in the face of no hydrogen infrastructure (that’s your petroleum conspiracy at work).

Anyway, that’s one small solution.

Also, I know a guy who gutted his home to the frame and reinsulated with this cotton fiber insulation treated with boric acid to keep away the varmints. The stuff is three times as expensive as the fiberglass stuff but same R value and no off-gassing!! This same person has a well in his yard. He hopes to construct a windmill for power generation. We’ll see.

In other words, there are little private solutions, I agree. I also agree in making the “Tsars” obsolete. It is just that if you go that route in the meantime, blaze a trail, you are bound to stay there even if things get rough, cuz they will be like…”hey we’re obsolete, right, so you can’t use us, our massive, ubiquitous infrastructure, to get back on your feet when the wind stops turning your flywheel, sucka.” And nowadays with everyone riding around in their own metal and glass bubbles, antisocial, talking on computers instead of really communing and developing real, human bonds, there is not much hope of getting a movement going that supports and nurtures enough people to make it worth the slow fight. Plus, if they own you, like the people they raise embroiled in ritual abuse or some such enforced loyalty, there is no way out; there are many out here like that. All you can do is hope for major cataclysm instead of “gentle reform” or slow evolution into this abundance you envision.

I guess cynicism is not the answer, unless it is.

About your hydrocarbon swindle, Chomsky, a Tsar asset working at MIT admittedly, in Understanding Power claims that in the 1950’s the auto industry simply bought up public transportation in the US so they could keep everyone separated and alone. They didn’t want people physically getting together in trains and buses and such, so they bought up much of the existing infrastructure to make way for their gas-guzzling cars.

What do think?

BTW, do you know the Cuttlefish of Kathulu?

7/07/2007 12:07:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Hey omnimental!

Of course there's juice in there!

And yes, solutions abound, and, despite the isolation of our bubbles, some of us are resonating strong enough to make it through the membranes...

Chomsky is a tool--maybe Edwin Black even is one too, but Internal Combustion does go a lot further than Chomsky in detailing the Who Framed Roger Rabbit public transport conspiracy. He also did a nice job on the history of energy scarcity manipulation, although he is strangely silent on the suppression of the carbohydrate economy. He even calls the Benson Ford Museum "helpful, honest and open," when they're the guys peddling the disinfo about Ford's soybean/hemp plastic car formula.

The Honda project you mention gets covered in Internal Combustion--it's the FCX, the real beauty of which is that in the second stage, the hydrogen conversion is solar powered, where now it's run on natural gas. Free "free" energy. Completely decentralized.

Not sure why I am pissing you off here--talking about what could or would be if the Swindle hadn't been perpetrated is as vital as documenting the subterfuge itself, dont'cha think? I mean, otherwise, we're just left with a vague notion that maybe things might have been better.

This way, we get to see exactly how that might/will be.

The Cuttlefish of Kathulu? Do tell. We cephalopods tend to hang together loosely.

ericswan,

I've been musing on your links and your latest news of further dams and landscape rapings...Look, you're a Ring person: the "answer" is obvious, isn't it? What did the Ents do when they finally allowed themselves to feel the crisis?

They pulled the dam down. The symbology is very vivid in that scene. When the water is released, it subsumes the fire with ease and without vengeance. Schauberger was, of course, correct: implosion is stronger than explosion, by a factor of 9:1.

The icon of pulling down the dams also works on other levels. Like this one:

Dancing Together Gods and Man Dreamed of the Universe and It Was
(© David Paladin [1926-1984])

On The Divisiveness Within Human Society

All of the information that has been gathered seems to indicate that when myth or creative response becomes frozen and is related directly to time, space, [and] culture, it immediately becomes divisive by nature. [It is] the failure to recognize that all creative response is pure creative energy and must not be limited [which] leads to a divisive structure. A pattern is set that separates it from another pattern.

The ocean of consciousness is no longer fed by the streams and rivers of the universal experience, and becomes stagnant. One must undam the streams. One must allow for the natural flow of the creative spirit, or one limits not only one's experiences but the experiences of others, condemning them to one form of stagnation or another. In the slime of the stagnated stream and the stagnated ocean one finds a return to the primal forms. The well springs dry up, and the sea becomes a barren land, and the land is no longer fed. An entity dies, unrefreshed, unfed, [and] un-nourished.

The solution lies within the ability of consciousness to force new pathways, to open up new tributaries, to feed the ocean of consciousness freely. For consciousness itself is stagnating. We speak of the earth consciousness, the consciousness of humankind becoming parched, barren of symbols, barren of images, denied the refreshment of new rains.

Perhaps this is the anxiety that is being felt by some [people]. The knowledge that the wellspring is drying while others try to hold the last drop of water of consciousness to them, to protect it, to call it their own. By doing so they condemn themselves and others to the final drought. Perhaps the great droughts that are predicted by your prophets, by your seers, by your shamans, are not droughts that will destroy the land, but droughts that are already destroying the spirit, denying the nourishment that is primary to universal growth.


Back to reality with this thing. A few links that take up the challenge of undamming the rivers (some even from the mainstream, like the first one):

Is This Worth a Dam?

Friends of the River - River Reborn Program

and

International Rivers Network's River Revival Program

Now there's some creative destruction!

7/07/2007 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

I love the Rivernetwork program. Lots of links on biostate.blogspot.com. I sent them a free copy of Toward a Bioregional State.

7/07/2007 01:13:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

If it's all about association, then about this for the signified and the sign. Here's a layer that got spliced in there somewhere in the whole 'Libby commutation' thing (while still allowing him to claim the 5th amendment).


Libby A Long-Time
Mossad Agent
By Wayne Madsen
WayneMadsenReport.com
7-6-7

I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby has been a long-serving intelligence agent for Israel's Mossad, according to a veteran CIA "official cover" officer who spoke to WMR on deep background. The CIA's Clandestine Service has, over the years, gathered a tremendous amount of intelligence on Libby's activities on behalf of Mossad.

Libby served as the lawyer for Switzerland-based American fugitive financier Marc Rich, aka Mark David Reich, who is also known to be an Israeli intelligence asset and someone Israel relies upon for missions that demand "plausible deniability" on the part of the Mossad.

[Pardoned by Clinton,] Rich heads up a worldwide empire of dummy corporations, foundations, and numbered bank accounts that have been involved in sanctions busting and weapons smuggling.

The nations involved include Israel, United States, United Kingdom, Iran, Panama, Colombia, Russia, Iraq (under Saddam Hussein), Cuba, Spain, Nigeria, Singapore, Bolivia, Jamaica, Bermuda, France, Italy, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Austria, Kazakhstan, Philippines, Australia, Argentina, Peru, Ireland, Zambia, Sweden, Monaco, and apartheid South Africa.

In 1983, the then-U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York urged jail time for Rich and his partner Pincus Green for racketeering. The name of that U.S. Attorney is Rudolph Giuliani. Giuliani, who is now running for president [on the 'I'll be the better dictator' ticket], praised Bush's decision to commute Libby's jail sentence [effectively reversing himself from his early 1990s stance re Mark Rich, since Libby and Rich are connected].

After Clinton's pardon of Rich, Giuliani said he was "shocked."

Paul Klebnikov, the Moscow editor for Forbes' Russian edition, wrote about the connections of Rich to Russian gangsters like Boris Berezovsky, a business partner of Neil Bush, in his book "Godfather of the Kremlin." Klebnikov was shot to death gangland-style on a Moscow street on July 9, 2004.

Libby not only provided the Mossad with a top agent inside the White House but also an important conduit for the Russian-Israeli Mafia [via Mark Rich back-connections].

Libby arranged for Rich's eleventh hour pardon by outgoing President Bill Clinton in January 2001. The pardon of Rich was urged in a phone call to Clinton by then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, as well as Shimon Peres and Ehud Olmert.

Yesterday, Libby received a [illegal 'half pardon'] commutation of his 30-month prison sentence from President George W. Bush.

Libby was convicted on four counts of perjury, lying to a federal law enforcement officer, and obstruction of justice in the investigation by U.S. Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald of the White House's leak to the media of the identity CIA non-official cover officer Valerie Plame Wilson.

Libby was denied bail by U.S. Judge Reggie Walton and was ordered to prison while appealing his sentence.

Libby was assigned Bureau of Prisons inmate number 28301-016.

Libby worked for Paul Wolfowitz in the State Department's Bureau of East Asian and Pacific Affairs from 1982 to 1985. Libby again worked for Wolfowitz in the Pentagon as the Principal Undersecretary for Strategy and Resources.

Libby later became the Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Policy and served as a chief aide to Defense Secretary Dick Cheney.

It was while Libby was working for Wolfowitz at State, the FBI arrested Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard, who had delivered enough highly-classified U.S. documents they could have entirely filled a garage. It was well known that Pollard had a "control officer" within the Reagan administration. The control officer was code-named "Mega."

Current British Lord Chancellor and former British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said that during Middle East peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians, "It's a toss-up whether [Libby] is working for the Israelis or the Americans on any given day."

Clinton's Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder told the House Government Affairs Committee in 2001 that he discovered much more about Rich after Clinton's pardon and said, "Knowing everything that I know now, I would not have recommended to the president that he grant the pardon."

It has also been reported that, in addition to pressure from leading neocons in the United States to keep Libby out of jail, Bush was urged by leading Israeli government officials to prevent Libby from going to prison.

Fitzgerald issued the following statement regarding Bush's commutation of Libby's prison sentence:

"We fully recognize that the Constitution provides that commutation decisions are a matter of presidential prerogative [thus Fitz buying into and co-signing the illegal maneuver of commutation, like Eric said above] and we do not comment on the exercise of that [unconstitutional attempt to frame commutation as that] prerogative.

We comment only on the statement in which the President termed the sentence imposed by the judge as 'excessive.' The sentence in this case was imposed pursuant to the laws governing sentencings which occur every day throughout this country. In this case, an experienced federal judge considered extensive argument from the parties and then imposed a sentence consistent with the applicable laws. It is fundamental to the rule of law that all citizens stand before the bar of justice as equals. That principle guided the judge during both the trial and the sentencing.

Although the President's decision eliminates Mr. Libby's sentence of imprisonment, Mr. Libby remains convicted by a jury of serious felonies, and we will continue to seek to preserve those convictions through the appeals process."

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com

7/07/2007 01:13:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

IC, no-n-n-n-n-n-no, you're not really pissing me off, you are just "pissing me off." You are gently tugging on my hypothalymus, which is now saying "write or flight."

I always meet my match...every time I leave my house...well at least every time I travel through the wire to seek the opinions of others as to the validity of my own "insanity."

I have to confess: I don't read much anymore, at least books. Too much disinfo to deal with. I already know everything anyway...at least what I have to to get by. Right now there are at least 10 low intensity conflicts going on somewhere in the world with international "masonic" support. The victims of these conflicts are brown. In place of the victims self-worth will be factories and textile mills. Many white people are becoming fabulously rich, so much that trite platitudes about life suffice for conversation...for now. I'm broke and need to find someone who likes a guy who feels like the world has lost the kind of guy that likes to sacrifice himself for the simple cause of functional, sustainable subsistence. I am avoiding pimps of all sorts. I hate pro sports culture cuz the pimps learn there, its their temple.

You read a lot. The only books I read are non-fiction science textbooks, math books, and not often enough. Everything else is bullshit, words in the place of action, philosophy in the place of trial and error that builds on the mountain of human waste we have already. I am not saying that for those who have never thought philosophically that a little Hesse or Dostoyevsky does them harm, but after a while, it's just some German or Russian guy trying to get laid by waxing poetic. I have seen that at Phish concerts (although I've never attended one, strangly enough).

All I want to do is expose the occult for what it is: a bunch of two bit swindlers out to laugh, eroneously if smugly, at people who are supposedly inferior to them because they haven't been let in on the same vapid secrets as them.

I guess what I am saying (asking) is: what books should I read for a great big shot in the arm with no bullshit. Where is the real juicy truth on the "elite." I want it now. I want them dead in the swirled, twisted, gnarly muccus of the ocean they inhabit. I hate them, dead. What should I (we) do?

7/07/2007 11:18:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

High-Tech Stupid
There’s also the question of effectiveness—although “Data Mining” is a hot buzzword, and the “War on Terror” is the catchphrase of the century, are they really two great tastes that belong together? Surprisingly, quite a number of experts say “hell no.”

The most vocal and eloquent among them are Jeff Jonas and Jim Harpers, who recently published a paper in Policy Analysis titled Effective Counterterrorism and the Limited Role of Predictive Data Mining. That’s a mouthfull, and it breaks down to this:

One of the fundamental underpinnings of predictive data mining in the commercial sector is the use of training patterns. Corporations that study consumer behavior have millions of patterns that they can draw upon to profile their typical or ideal consumer. Even when data mining is used to seek out instances of identity and credit card fraud, this relies on models constructed using many thousands of known examples of fraud per year.

Terrorism has no similar indicia. With a relatively small number of attempts every year and only one or two major terrorist incidents every few years—each one distinct in terms of planning and execution—there are no meaningful patterns that show what behavior indicates planning or preparation for terrorism. Unlike consumers shopping habits and financial fraud, terrorism does not occur with enough frequency to enable the creation of valid predictive models.

Without patterns to use, one fallback for terrorism data mining is the idea that any anomaly may provide the basis for investigation of terrorism planning. More concretely, though, using data mining in this way could be worse than searching at random; terrorists could defeat it by acting as normally as possible.

This is really one of the major flaws in the War on Terror, period. Consider the recent “attack” in Glasgow—I was in Ireland when that happened and people weren’t “terrified”, they weren’t even alarmed. They were rolling their eyes and laughing. Driving a Jeep into the front door and setting yourself on fire? These people are retarded. This is the enemy we’re supposed to live in fear of?


http://www.brainsturbator.com/site/comments/facebook_the_cia_and_you/

7/08/2007 12:00:00 AM  
Blogger CuriosityShop said...

http://www.amazon.com/Free-Energy-Pioneer-Worrell-Keely/dp/1881532151

Anyone have any thoughts or background information on this book?

7/08/2007 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Do you think I give a rat's a** what these jackasses at As***ck International are seeing or doing as a result of my "terrorism," something that used to be called free speech (not to mention, the very nature of our govt. in the first place was to prevent by any means necessary the kind of blind, narcissistic megalomania that infects the ruling class. Sure they can crunch numbers and they sure can come up with nifty innuendos, but can they survive???????????????????????????

The answer is hell, no. They have already proven that with their brazen indifference to anything but their smug, pompous sense of entitlement.

Truth is, these f***ing CIA c*nts can kiss my a**. They are no better than I, I can assure you of that. They are just a hierarchy of jackasses who memorize their little compartmentalized roles and get little doggy treats--like increased immunity to have sex with anything and anyone, increased wealth to inconspicuously eat the planet, etc--when they perform "well." Not a single one has any sense of true independence or toughness or else they never would have been tapped in the first place.

Please don’t agree with this post unless you want never to work in corporate America again; yes, facebook isn’t the only one keeping dossiers on people, no shit. Wuptee Freakin’ Do.

7/08/2007 11:25:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

MicroNukes/WTC

Jones Accepts Evidence For Ward's WTC Micronukes http://rense.com/general77/wardf.htm

Vet For 911 Truth Insights On WTC Tritium Levels http://rense.com/general77/truh.htm

48,000 Curies Of Burned Tritium To Leave WTC Residue http://rense.com/general77/trit.htm

7/08/2007 02:00:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Movie Girl & omnimental,

In thinking about one of your comments, I ended up sort of answering the other, so I'll just write this for both of you. Omni, I dig your passion and respect your position--it's the only sane one after all, isn't it?--but I have to disagree with some of your propositions.

Now, this first bit is just my opinions/reactions to what Omni said, which is, I realize, very presumptuous of me, but I don't mean it as a criticism--I'm just talking with you because I'm interested in what you said. That disclaimer out of the way, I gots to start with all that elite-hating. Look, I fart in their general direction, too, but you have to be careful about letting them define you by your opposition to them, if you see what I mean.

Yeah, I said I wanted to smash the Hydrocarbon Economy, expose the fraud, tear it down and bury it, etc, etc,...but I also mentioned doing this by ignoring them. If we only follow the officially sanctioned avenues of redress (there's a funny concept, eh?), we'll obviously get nowhere in no particular hurry. But concentrating on their machinations to the exclusion of the avenues of the unheard--the mindscapes unmined--is surely a kind of trap as well. We know, more or less, what they're up to, what they've got in mind for us (we're all brown, when you get right down to it)...so fuck 'em.

Tap the vast potentialities of the realities that these 2-dimensional schemers couldn't comprehend if their Empire depended on it. That's where suppression comes in.

Which brings us to reading.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, Omni, but are you flirting with the old fictional phallusy? (That non-fiction--textbooks being the prime example--is more real than fiction because "fiction" is just some shit that somebody made up...) Say it ain't so, brother. Not only is it precisely because the non-fiction writer puts on the mantle of rock-solid, respectable reality that he's fooling both himself and his audience, but even worse, this tunnel vision attempts to discredit the only window of opportunity that despairing humanity has left: the uncharted seas of the imagination.

The land of, yes, plagues but also of cures; the visions of dystopia and the utopias that are stronger, truer. Our creativity is our greatest asset, far outstripping the puny resources of our muscles and our dusty bones. You hock this gift and you're left with the shit that your enemy-nemesis feeds you.

If you don't have time to read, that's fine--I've got lots of friends who are too busy to read--but don't tell yourself it's because fiction ain't real.

Now we are come (as Gandalf would say) to the fictionally real. That Keely book sounds pretty good to me, Movie Girl. If I had any money, I'd buy it. Until my library gets a copy, however, there's always the KeelyNet, where you'll find the great man's vision (free everything for everyone, just like all the modern Pythagoreans--Tesla, Russell, Schauberger, etc) and lots of other goodies.

Like weird little movies such as this one: When the Gods left the Earth

And links to other great sites, like the blitz-tripping hippies Rex Research. I know that Mark gave you a hard time with that whole CIA drug thing, but as you yourself said at the top of your comment, even if they were "behind" the "movement," they could not hope to keep the lid on the box that consciousness comes in.

In fact, from my perspective, drugs are the fulcrum of liberation, the intersection of politics & reality, the metaphor of material and spiritual union.

The Drug Knot is very, very twisted. Those elites we keep hating fund their black ops with them, justify their repressive paternalistic Police State with them, feed their prison economy and corrode the urban reservations with certain of them...I could go on, but you get the idea.

Are we children who need the protection of the State from the sacraments and flowers of Gaia, or are we fully sentient, responsible human beings who are free to make choices about what to think and what to put in our bodies? One side of this question is presented in Sex, Drugs & Democracy (review, Movie Girl?), which only begs the question of why you can't rent this movie at your local vidstore. (Okay, some independents do stock it, but not your textbook franchises.) There's an obvious answer, from S,D&D:

If true freedom were readily available and could be found without great effort, how is it possible that it should be neglected by almost everyone? But all things excellent are as difficult as they are rare.
(B. de Spinoza)

I know that "microcosm" is on the cliché list of over-used words, along with "paradigm change," etc, but this drug thing contains all the elements and levels of the problems we face. I've many times explained the importance of the Establishment's conflation of cannabis with hemp--as an excuse to wax draconian and as a pretext for outlawing an important part of the Carbohydrate Economy--but I've only rarely talked about my personal experiences here.

This is one of those rarities. The officially sanctioned drugs are generally of little socially redeeming value. Coffee & speed might help you drive all night or write endless bullshit in papers due the next morning, but they also "tend to make you more like your parents" (F. Zappa). Booze makes you stupid, unfeeling & unhealthy, as well as sloppy & aggressive. Tranquilizers & anti-depressants steal your spirit and make you compliant. The many pornographies isolate you. Any wonder why the State loves all these?

The illegals are of a very different nature. Entheogens melt the veils of Maya and as such are sacraments. where the State drugs tend to isolate, Cannabis connects. When I was in the business of designing things for the metalworking industry (tools, machines, processes & programs), marijuana had a lot more to do with my creativity than metallurgy.

Unlike all the other drugs, no one has ever died from it. I could cite all kinds of studies which detail the many, many benefits of this alien weed (its DNA twists left-handed and it won't graft with earthly plants very well), but all this is pretty much common knowledge these days. Except in the State of Denial, of course. If you want to keep abreast of news, views & studies related to the cannabis/hemp twins, get on the mailing list at my friend's NewHeadNews.

At KeelyNet, you'll also find some stuff on this topic (loosely speaking, freedom & the human potential) though links to places like that Rex Research site I mentioned earlier (which I'm also going to close with in a minute), but if you're strictly into the tech side of Keely's promise, Frank Germano's pages are for you.

At those Rexsters, you'll find both--the material & the spiritual. To close in this same vein, here's an excerpt from their Cannabis and Hemp Section (the distinction being so very important, as I've so many times said, since the conflation of the two is at the heart of both the Drug Wars and the Hydrocarbon Economy). I'm going to quote a bit of one of their diatribes here because it illustrates my point to Omni, that not all writing is bullshit (well, also because it's just so damned good.) (Please scroll past if this isn't for you):

from Polemics against Prohibition (I obscenity in the milk of your tyranny...) by Robert A. Nelson


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...America has been fighting the so-called Drug War ever since President Nixon cursed the nation with his declaration in 1971. It has been to little avail, because the Drug War cannot be won. Instead, the institutionalized national psychosis known as the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) has turned the USA into a police state.

Intoxication is a basic drive in the animal world. It cannot be suppressed without generating psychotic consequences. The eminent psychopharmacologist Ronald K. Siegal, Jr. (UCLA) presented the case for natural drug use in his study of Intoxication: Life in Pursuit of Paradise (1989):

"Recent ethological and laboratory studies with colonies of rodents and islands of primates, and analyses of social and biological history, suggest that the pursuit of intoxication with drugs is a primary motivational force in the behavior of organisms. Our nervous system, like those of rodents and primates, is arranged to respond to chemical intoxicants in much the same way it responds to rewards of food, drink, and sex. Throughout our entire history as a species, intoxication has functioned like the basic drives of hunger, thirst or sex, sometimes overshadowing all other activities in life. Intoxication is the fourth drive. We have become the most eager and reckless explorers of intoxication."

It behooves us to cultivate our abilities and realize our potential --- not necessarily without drugs, as prohibitionists would have it. However, that lesson cannot be learned by denying us freedom of choice. Our dysfunctional drug laws punish natural exploratory behavior and forbid us from testing our character in the mirror of psychedelic molecules. Prohibition is unconstitutional, and it is utterly ineffective. Illicit drugs are readily available to almost anyone who wants them, especially among youths, and even in prison, where guards are dealers.

Laws against drugs are predicated on the false assumption that all drug use is harmful. Actually, few drugs are truly addictive when used in moderation, and most people simply will not allow themselves to become addicted. Instead, they use other forms of compulsive behavior (religion, sex, love, politics, money, work, sports, TV, gambling, etc.) to produce altered states of consciousness; some claim to be happy.

Prohibitionists take the process several steps farther; they get their kicks by trampling on the rights of others. Indeed, as the British M.P. Walter Elliot observed in 1920, Americans are "the barbarians of the West" because of their "extraordinary savage idea of stamping out all people who happen to disagree... with their social theories" about alcohol and other intoxicants.

People use and abuse any and all substances in their search for reality or fantasy. Most societies and individuals choose their poisons (alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, coffee, cocaine, opium, Prozac, etc.) for arbitrary moral or traditional reasons. Thus they determine what is a "good", "bad", legal or illicit drug. Otherwise, as Dr. Andrew Weil put it, "There are no good or bad drugs; there are only good or bad relationships with drugs".

The distinctions between legal and illicit drugs are purely ritualistic, magical attributes with little or no basis in pharmacology. Religionists fear magic and drugs, so they cannot be realistic about the issue, especially since they are blind to the facts. There's just no arguing with taste. Indeed, as Fred Nietzsche observed, "Alcohol and Christianity are the two great European narcotics". Karl Marx expressed the same general idea in a similar pertinent aphorism: "Religion is the opium of the people".

The entire sad spectacle of the Drug War is mere superstitious scapegoating. The scapegoat is a sacrificial victim (animal or human), heaped upon with the sins and other failures of the people. The wretched creature is banned into the wilderness, or condemned to death. In ancient Greece, the sacrificial human was called pharmakoi (remedy), from which are derived the terms pharmacology, pharmacy, etc. The Greeks abandoned the practice circa 600 BC, after which pharmakoi assumed its modern meaning.

Today, we exercise the custom of pharmakoi in the form of draconian laws by which drug users and dealers are ostracized or quarantined as if they were diseased. Through the skillful abuse of language, prohibition propagandists portray drugs as a virus; no one is immune to the plague of pleasure and self-destruction, and there is no cure.

Fortunately, education is a powerful prophylactic against such quackery. Plato warned that, "Complacent ignorance is the most lethal sickness of the soul". Truly, knowledge is the only therapy for the deadly stupidity caused by anti-drug propaganda. With knowledge and self-control we can meet the challenge and carefully explore the dimensions revealed by psychoactive substances.

Thomas Jefferson and Dr. Benjamin Rush (who was George Washington’s personal physician and a signer of the Declaration of Independence) both foresaw that the federal government might someday attempt to control medicine. Dr. Rushgave gave this diagnosis:

"Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an underground dictatorship... To restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others will constitute the Bastille of medical science. All such laws are un-American and despotic and have no place in a republic... The Constitution of this republic should make special privilege for medical freedom as well as religious freedom."

Thomas Jefferson offered a second opinion:

"If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls who live under tyranny."

The foresight of Jefferson and Rush has proven true, and the problem appears to be terminally cancerous. Medical tyranny pervades modern society in such various forms as national health care programs, the FDA and DEA, and the heinous Drug War.

Prohibition is a complete failure. The Drug War actually is controlled chaos, serving the interests of an "underground dictatorship" while it forbids us from the pursuit of happiness --- particularly in the form of Cannabis.

The federal government of the USA uses the phony Drug War as its primary excuse for "necessary" abridgements of our rights. It has abandoned the Constitution and surrendered to the Communist model of suppression by imposing pre-trial detention without bail, mandatory minimum prison sentences, and capitol punishment for drug crimes, plus increased fines, forfeitures and asset seizures, "good faith" exceptions to the exclusionary rule, and other aberrant violations of justice. Stoned military forces are used to enforce civilian law and to interdict suspected smugglers at sea and in the air. Intelligence agencies smuggle huge quantities of cocaine and heroin from Asia and South America into the USA, and operate clandestine laboratories to finance their crimes. Entire governments have been toppled by cocaine (Bolivia, Panama, Bahamas, etc.). Civilians are required to submit to unreliable drug tests to gain employment. Obnoxious currency controls supposedly prevent the laundering of drug money, and so on. In short, America has become a police state because of its insane drug laws and cowardly citizens. Perhaps we have gotten the government we deserve. Certainly we have proven that, "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free" (Goethe).

The Drug War is perpetuated by totalitarians for no other true reason than their lust for power. Human rights and truth are irrelevant to them. Instead, their propaganda has generated an unwarranted fear of drugs that terrorizes hundreds of millions of ignorant people. Consequently, most Americans have surrendered their divine rights to an unaccountable government. This fraud is nothing new, as William Pitt observed in a speech before the British House of Commons (1783):

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."

Thomas Jefferson wrote and said that, "No self-respecting person would ever want to control another one".
Given that is true, then our pathetic government is suffering from extremely low self-esteem. America is supposed to be a government of, for and by the people, but we have failed completely in our duty to defend freedom, our rights, and ourselves from the prohibitionist traitors among us. We have sold ourselves into slavery "down the river".

The Drug War is a coup d’etat. The Drug War is not being fought against molecules; it is against liberty. The Drug War is conquering America law by law, right by right, until nothing will remain but to fight the Second Civil War foreseen by George Washington and several other American prophets. The Drug War is a fraud that has cost Americans their civil rights, over 250 billion tax dollars, and at least 100 million man-years spent in prisons, in futile, corrupt law enforcement, and other associated costs including countless deaths at home, in the streets, and abroad.

The real issue is Freedom. Our fear was spawned by self-deceit; now it lies exposed in the light of truth. Now, as Albert Camus put it, "Let us rejoice as men because a prolonged hoax has collapsed and we see clearly what threatens us".

Fred Nietzsche wrote in Ecce Homo, "When one wants to get rid of an insupportable pressure, one needs hashish". Today, that "insupportable pressure" is the federal government of the USA. We live in unmanly fear of our government. We have been rendered dumb and stupid by an open conspiracy that suckles on us like a vampire, eats our children, and aborts our birthrights...

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This bliss-rant goes on a bit more, is then followed by several other worthy pieces and the best disclaimer I've ever read--go there; it's worth it for this alone--and this memorable quotation:

"The Bush of Slavery must be Watered Daily by the Blood of Mexicans. It is its Natural Manure".
(Muttered in his sleep by George Bush Jr at a Skull & Bones Slumber Party, Yale Univ., 1984.)

7/08/2007 02:43:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

IC said, Correct me if I'm wrong here, Omni, but are you flirting with the old fictional phallusy? (That non-fiction--textbooks being the prime example--is more real than fiction because "fiction" is just some shit that somebody made up...) Say it ain't so, brother. Not only is it precisely because the non-fiction writer puts on the mantle of rock-solid, respectable reality that he's fooling both himself and his audience, but even worse, this tunnel vision attempts to discredit the only window of opportunity that despairing humanity has left: the uncharted seas of the imagination.

I know to read with a grain of salt. Like when one of my chemistry textbooks tells me that fluoride, the most electronegative ion in the who periodic table and thus most prone to react, a halide, is put in local water supplies to prevent dental carries, I know otherwise. I know the pineal gland connection and the fluorosis connection.

(See
fluoride alert.org
.)

I am aware of the many msiconceptions, piracies, thefts of intellectual property, and on and on. I just don't know of any good fiction that really rocks. I don't get out enough and don't know anyone in my environment who doesn't still watch TeeVee. I simply find that calculus, electronics, and whatever is much more appealing and less open to bold lies. I am sure there are other forms of mathematics that have been discovered that I will never see. I am sure they will never teach them in any university. However, I get off just fine reading the stuff.

Obviously I just meant books...and off course it isn't entirely true. I have read Kurt Vonnegut's Hocus Pocus and God Bless You Mr. Rosewater in the past few months.

I of course read inspiringly (if inducing of pyschosis) creative fiction on the WWW every day. I am just dying for an escape. I don't watch TeeVee...only movies. I could waste hours of my life in a fiction book only if I knew it would be worth it; I don't need someone blowing more smoke up my ass: that definitely is never worth it.

Keely, huh? That was the last name of a guy who introduced me to hard drugs many years ago, who also claimed to be connected to mafia in NY (his godfather was John Ashcroft I heard). You see, he knew I was a malcontent and thus would need some meds to deal with it, to deal with shutting up or being harrassed to death. True story, Neet coincidence!

I do try to ignore them, believe me, but once you are in room 101, you don't come out until you are broken, until you truly love Big Brother. Well, I can definitely say I don't love BB at all; and with the rats in the cage that is on my face and all, happy ignorance is not an option I'm afraid. Should I just say it: "I love Big Brother and strongly beleive in the guidance and love of the Party?"

I'll check the links thoroughly.

BTW, the Cuttlefish of Kathulu is penis of the lead singer of GWAR that was held hostage by one Edna Grambo, head of the Morality Squad in GWARS movie Phallus in Wonderland. Great flick, ahead of its time.

7/08/2007 05:20:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

IC also said:
The Drug War is a coup d’etat. The Drug War is not being fought against molecules; it is against liberty. The Drug War is conquering America law by law, right by right, until nothing will remain but to fight the Second Civil War foreseen by George Washington and several other American prophets. The Drug War is a fraud that has cost Americans their civil rights, over 250 billion tax dollars, and at least 100 million man-years spent in prisons, in futile, corrupt law enforcement, and other associated costs including countless deaths at home, in the streets, and abroad.

I forgot to humbly thank you for a great post. It sums things up well.

The "100 million man-years" you reported is due to what even Kurt Vonnegut talked abuot it Player Piano and what I have been talking about since I read it for the first time. He envisioned a society where machines became so sophisticated that only engineers needed to be employed to fix the machines; everyone else: unemployed and suckled by welfare of sorts. Well, in our reality, the machines are brown people and the welfare is three squares and a cot. Why give the unemployable superfluous population in America cheap highrise gettos with freedom and ammenities like running water, access to the community, etc when you can flood their communities that do still exist with drugs (after criminalizing and demonizing them), allowing for a much cheaper solution, prisons, to the economy's incapacity to employ everyone? Per person, a great savings can be enjoyed on the part of taxpayers. Just think, the stigma of prison is a sure end to any real employment in the future for any ex-con, effectively removing from the stressed economy each job applying, annoying reminder one by one.

I have a felony convicion myself so I can speak from experience: s**t, I am glad I am not truly brown, even though as you, Iridescent, said, and I am paraphrasing here, "face it, we are all brown."

BTW, sorry for the two posts in a row thing...bad form in some groups.

7/08/2007 05:52:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

oph IC, you got me. In skipping around in your lengthy post I came to assume you had been responsible for the quote in my most recent post. In fact it was this Nelson character. I guess I do like to read books. This a non-fiction one though.... Well it is good anyway.

I'll tell you what though. I still have nothing against those who choose to lighten the load reality affixes firmly to their shoulders by taking in substances of their choice. I do wish that they would grow their own and pay less of their local money to a federal money hole.

7/08/2007 06:10:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

they could not hope to keep the lid on the box that consciousness comes in.

Of course, "they" don't have to keep the lid on the box. It's not a static proposition....it's similar to herding cattle, or sheep into various pens after several days of bountiful grazing. The various revolutions and movements are anomolous to grazing...only to be herded and penned again for harvesting and exploitation.

We took the kids to Disney World this past early Spring, and I can't help remembering what the Monorail driver (we got to ride in the front with the driver....woo hoo) said. We asked him what the acronym EPCOT (Experimental Prototypical Community Of Tomorrow)represented. After telling us, he gave us a crude, brief history of the spectacle. In the process he mentioned that one day soon technology would enable people to work from home (telecommute) and go to school from home. He said some people were even doing it now. I didn't have the heart to tell him "no, duh." I mean, people have been telcommuting for at least a decade now, and this guy thought he was telling us something new. Was he from the same planet as me and Omnimental? Maybe not.....can you imagine discussing the topics we discuss here with an intellect such as that? I can't....and the scary thing is, his intellect is representative of the average American's intellect, not to mention the citizens of Kazachstan.

Excuse me, Mr. Monorail Driver with the greased, slicked-back hair and Aviator's Sunglasses, but may I read you a bit of William S. Burroughs and then we can discuss Cialdini and Tantric Alchemy. IC, how the hell do you think you are going to convince these disparate morons? Have you seen Borat, the movie? These jolers are seriously fucked up and I don't see them jumping on the bandwagon.....I mean, disenfranchised Frat Boys waxing nostalgic for the good ol days of slavery? Birmingham High Society living on Secession Drive? Cowboys hoping one day to kill all the homosexuals? Yeah, I want to collectively join this crowd of fuck-ups and collectively overthrow the elite with our mass ignorance...wait, isn't that what we have right now....Mass Ignorance....and it doesn't seem to be working....in fact, the elite seem to like it that way....the more you ignore them, the more powerful they are. Just what are you trying to sell us, anyway....Jonestown Kool-Aid?

Interestingly enough, with all this talk of Telecommuting as the way of future, even though its been possible for at least a decade, maybe more, it is, for the most part, highly frowned upon in Corporate America with a few rare exceptions. Why would that be? I know....and so do you.

CONTROL

7/08/2007 08:49:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Just say no. Interesting thing about blogging is that peer pressure doesn't extend itself very well to pushing drugs. Growing up with "all" of my teenage years in the 60's gives me the street cred an old middle ager needs to deal with the subject. I think Woodstock, Rochdale, Timothy Leary green and hot knives let in the D-V-L. The cosmic consciousness was and is and will ever be but drugs as the medium is not the message.

7/08/2007 11:03:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

ericswan said:
Just say no. Interesting thing about blogging is that peer pressure doesn't extend itself very well to pushing drugs.

"extend itself?" Do you mean "lend itself" or do you mean that the semantic gist of peer pressure isn't easily massaged to come to connote pushing drugs? If the former contention applies, the following post is for you. : > )#>

Also, If you think you are impressing me by dating yourself to the, woowee, 60's, you're wrong. Just saying dude. It's nice to have a good attitude about getting old, we all do it, but age doesn't mean sheeeit. Case in point: Click and Clack: both have to be pushing sixty. In reality, anyone over thirty that has grown up in a city and read a little bit is probably well wise of many drugs and all sorts of depravity disguised as urban rebelious freedom. He may even be aware of the fact that it isn't really freedom, just a convenient replacement in the face of deprivation of basic needs.

Ahem. I am pushing tolerance and decriminalization, not drugs. I am pushing the right to face the consequences of, perhaps, a self inflicted bad trip, not trumped up, greeze-ball morality that mandates random albeit severe punishment for non-crimes.

Mmm this Pabst Blue Ribbon (all I opted to afford today) tastes good. Any complaints? You better come steppin' with yo heatuh, baby-back beeahtch.

A good book to read on the subject (lots of good citations) is by a law professor from American University. He proposes a "pyrrhic defeat" theory, as opposed to some fancy, philosophical theory called the pyrrhic victory theory, which states that your own defeat costs your enemy so much it amounts to a victory for you. Well in Jeffery Reiman's treatise, The Rich Get Richer and the Poor Get Prison, on the American criminal justice system, he contends that the although the American people see that prison populations are rising and hence signify a tough on crime stance that works, as a society the draconian policies amount to a defeat when one considers the fallout of the War on Drugs (as documented by IC's last post of Nelson's stuff).

Granted, Reiman's is a fancy way of stating the obvious. Anyway, it isn't so dry and scholarly as I tried to make it sound. It is actually quite sarcastic, facetious and vitriolic. I am sure for someone to be teaching at the American University in D.C. that he cannot be as radical as Charlie...but on the same token, people who attend "elite" institutions do need to complete graduate school with some inkling of reality if they are to go on to work in policy carving thinktanks.

I just thought I would let y'all know about someone in academia who validates very thoroughly and articulately some of the contradictions and disparities in the justice system, not excluding unfair drug laws. Citations from mafia run institutions just tend to bolster your case when Click and Clack (from the syndicated automotive program) try to tell you to your face that your Rigorously Intuitive conclusion is a series of sweeping generalizations.

BTW, what the effing s**t is so funny anyway??? Click and Clack have never said anything funny, but that obviously doesn't seem to, the slightest bit, tend to suggest to them they shouldn't be laughing at their own non-jokes constantly, perpetually; they are those pleasantly jovial guys that help dumber women diagnose their cars; they couldn't be commisars.

Ahem. Back to the point of the original post by Jeff.... There's some evidence of some symbolism gone homicidal: Click and Clack are just two simple guys trying to help you get around being grifted by your mechanic. Yeah, cuz...NPR...never enabled anyone to ever be grifted, ever!ijqsrhfb

7/09/2007 12:16:00 AM  
Blogger friendlyfascism said...

1) Research into the physical evidence of 911 is a valid pursuit, and far more likely to bear fruit (it alerady has) than attempting to trace the drug money through the Venice Airport.


2) Will everyone please read the history of outing CIA officers, that is, the work of Phillip Agee and Louis Wolf, (and Norman Mailer's COUNTERSPY) before continuing to comment on the Plame/Libby affair?

They got you all crying foul because a "treasonous" act (outing a CIA officer) was committed by members of a particular administration. The more liberals and people with residual or unexamined mainstream views call for blood in the Libby/Plame affair, the more the intelligence community laughs its ass off.

The whole damn thing is smoke and mirrors from the start. It makes the CIA into the aggrevied party. It bolsters the idea that the CIA is non-political, but is being used and abused by a partiuclarly political administration for its own (crony capilalist) ends. It continues the soap opera of a (strangley) VISIBLY-- IN THE CORPORATE STATE PRESS-- CORRUPT ADMINISTARTION -- (though, of course not corrupt in any way that would really get everyone's goat, and which ends up being petty and confusing or just typical)


BUSH IS A STRAW MAN. A TACKLING DUMMY.
THE DEMOCRATS AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS COLLUDE WITH HIM. BIN LADEN IS THE CIA'S BITCH. RESEARCH EVERYTHING!! AND FOR GOD'S SAKE STOP KNOCKING CONTROLLED DEMOLITION!! IT MAKES you SOUND CONTROLLED!!! THE BUILDINGS SO OBVIOUSLY FELL BECAUSE OF CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, YOU HAVE TO BE A WILLFUL IDIOT NOT TO SEE IT! BACK AND TO THE LEFT, BABY!

Phew. Sorry. let's just talk about UFOs.

7/09/2007 07:57:00 AM  
Blogger CuriosityShop said...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/23/sentient_worlds/
Sentient world: war games on the grandest scale Sim Strife
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Perhaps your real life is so rich you don't have time for another.

Even so, the US Department of Defense (DOD) may already be creating a copy of you in an alternate reality to see how long you can go without food or water, or how you will respond to televised propaganda.

The DOD is developing a parallel to Planet Earth, with billions of individual "nodes" to reflect every man, woman, and child this side of the dividing line between reality and AR.

Called the Sentient World Simulation (SWS), it will be a "synthetic mirror of the real world with automated continuous calibration with respect to current real-world information", according to a concept paper for the project.

"SWS provides an environment for testing Psychological Operations (PSYOP)," the paper reads, so that military leaders can "develop and test multiple courses of action to anticipate and shape behaviors of adversaries, neutrals, and partners".

SWS also replicates financial institutions, utilities, media outlets, and street corner shops. By applying theories of economics and human psychology, its developers believe they can predict how individuals and mobs will respond to various stressors.

Yank a country's water supply. Stage a military coup. SWS will tell you what happens next.

"The idea is to generate alternative futures with outcomes based on interactions between multiple sides," said Purdue University professor Alok Chaturvedi, co-author of the SWS concept paper.

Chaturvedi directs Purdue's laboratories for Synthetic Environment for Analysis and Simulations, or SEAS - the platform underlying SWS. Chaturvedi also makes a commercial version of SEAS available through his company, Simulex, Inc.

SEAS users can visualise the nodes and scenarios in text boxes and graphs, or as icons set against geographical maps.

Corporations can use SEAS to test the market for new products, said Chaturvedi. Simulex lists the pharmaceutical giant Eli Lilly and defense contractor Lockheed Martin among its private sector clients.

The US government appears to be Simulex's number one customer, however. And Chaturvedi has received millions of dollars in grants from the military and the National Science Foundation to develop SEAS.

Chaturvedi is now pitching SWS to DARPA and discussing it with officials at the US Department of Homeland Security, where he said the idea has been well received, despite the thorny privacy issues for US citizens.


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7/09/2007 08:09:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Why bother? They already have a huge chunk of this world under their 'simulation.'

IC said above:

Prohibitionists take the process several steps farther; they get their kicks by trampling on the rights of others. Indeed, as the British M.P. Walter Elliot observed in 1920, Americans are "the barbarians of the West" because of their "extraordinary savage idea of stamping out all people who happen to disagree... with their social theories" about alcohol and other intoxicants.

Some things you may be unaware of about Prohibition: it was sponsored by Bonesmen.

That's right the same drug lord families from China, after losing their additional 'perks' in 1858 (when opium's illegality in China was removed), experienced a huge drop in price. That's the same year that the British East India Company packed up as well--when it lost its opium profits that were holding the whole thing together. [cite: Carl A. Trocki]

So immediately thereafter, the Bonesman co-founder of the Taft family take up "prohibition sentiment"--while their close friends in Bones were drug runners. The Philippines were their first staging ground, so it is interesting to look at what they did there first to make themselves wealthy once more by introducing "China like" prohibitionary laws in the Philippines that they lost in China in 1858.

The hypocritical tale of prohibitions introduced by drug lords is the core of the U.S. (and global) experience.

A short bit from a draft I wrote a while back:

Opium and Empire

Bones, Russell and Company, and the U.S.’s Janus-faced Puritan Drug Running Financial Aristocracy, 1789-present

The second cousin of William Huntingdon Russell was Samuel Russell, the head of the Middleton Russell family who founded Russell and Company in 1823 (1823 to approx. 1890) with the intent of drug smuggling Turkish opium into China. Russell and Company’s drug trader logo was appropriately on one of the old fashioned pirate flags: the Skull and Crossbones. Ten years later, founded in 1833, the same Russell-family co-founded Skull and Bones and adopted the Skull and Crossbones as its logo as well--adding the number ‘322.’

By 1829-30, Samuel Russell had by hook and by crook consolidated and bought out Perkins and Company’s parallel illegal Turkish opium contraband operations into China, which had been since starting in 1789 the previous hegemonic Turkish opium drug smuggling firm in the United States. Perkins and Company had the lucrative criminal virtual monopoly of their own before Russell and Company’s competitive and more cutthroat interest in consolidating the opium trade under their aegis instead. Both Russell and Company and Perkins and Company firms were organized in a similar manner: they were linked very tightly together by the requirements of close trust (and untrustworthiness) due to the illegality of the opium trade, they ‘sourced’ staff only from large extended family intermarriages for hires which included outside banking dynasties, and both money laundered their drug profits in London banks, instead of the U.S.

In early 1800s America, this was connected with a nostalgic Tory Protestant Anglican (or abnegating Puritan) sense of religion, hierarchy, breed consciousness. It was mixed increasingly with expertise and international experience in drugging other societies into oblivion while considering their own ‘ethnic stock’ chaste. This orientation of Anglo-American racial supremacy and blaming the victim blurred seamlessly into how they were so casually to become the leadership of the Anglo-American eugenics movement by the late 1800s.

After 1830, instead of Russell and Company crushing their rivals (which might be dangerous), many partners, staff, and (pirate drug runner) ship captains of Perkins and Co. became bundled into more cutthroat opium trader Russell and Company. Both Perkins and Co. and Russell and Co. families’ next generations were additionally bundled into joining Skull and Bones within the next twenty years, starting a “for opium and Yale” tradition since everything was Yale: the monopoly opium trader Russell and Company, Skull and Bones, and Yale University's foundation itself was in the drug trades since the Russell family ancestor was one of the 12 founders of Yale, along with Elihu Yale himself.

Thus the opium trade, Skull and Bones, and even Yale College were started as embedded in Russell family operations. Particularly for the opium trades, ‘sourcing’ and ‘upbringing’ for trustworthy operators required worldly and knowledgeable contraband runners. Yale would train the people they could trust. Skull and Bones would train people they could trust.

Skull and Bones as Yale 'career addendum' for the intra-family elites and their trustworthy clients would be a group to share and socialize their secrets with. (However, this fails to mean that Skull and Bones can only be understood as a hazing for the opium trade Mafia.)

After Perkins and Co was bundled into Russell and Company (for the most part), Skull and Bones was founded only three years into (1833-present) the “next virtual” American drug running monopoly of Russell and Company. As it was a criminal behavior. the phrase “China trade” was a polite euphemism for a massively dangerous though profitable drug running of opium into China, which then shipped innocent “China trade” looking commodities like tea, ceramics, and other products back to Europe and the United States. On the way back, the “opium clipper” ships became innocuous “tea clippers” of course. The opium clippers had to be fast, because they were the drug runner 'cigarette boats' of the mid 1800s to maximize profit as well as outmaneuver coastal Chinese navy operations.

However, without the Turkish opium (or without the crucial ingredient of monopoly profits due to Chinese prohibition), the Perkins and Co. and Russell and Co. dominated trades would have collapsed, because self-sufficient Chinese were uninterested in peripheral European or American items.

However, China was the only source of the mysterious tea—which Westerners were forbidden to take out of China as living plants—much less see growing. Only the illicit opium drug trade could get Americans and the British East India Company (an illicit drug runner itself until 1805, then it worked through American proxies) friends in China as well as the favorable balance of trade they both desired. By 1830, Russell and Company was “the only game in town” in America and in Canton. In the 1830s, Canton was the only port then open to foreign trading outside of Portuguese Macao.

By 1830, many Perkins and Co. ex-monopolists are bundled into drug smuggler Russell and Company. Over the next two decades starting in 1833, the sons and nephews of the many families of Perkins and Co. were simultaneously bundled into Skull and Bones.

The incomparable monopoly profits of the Russell and Company opium trade corrupted finance, economics, and politics in their native country--aided by their allied secret society contacts in Skull and Bones.

The United States (and the world--for they were internationalist traders from the start) gained an overt and covert “Puritan Drug Runner Elite” aristocracy whose corrupting power was solidified to the present day.

Inventing Prohibition

Their wealth and networking grew with each year. They increasingly sought to steer social situations to make the world more profitable for expanding their drug trading techniques: state police corruption and prohibition combined.

Only under conditions of prohibition and a corrupted police force could their monopoly organized crime profits could more ‘administratively’ accrue wealth for the families without much competition.

The families worked worldwide on this dual pronged strategy. It worked for them in China from the late 1700s onward to 1858 (when to their disappointment opium was legalized and the price radically dropped).

So, they artificially created this situation of corruption and prohibition once more in the Philippines from 1898 onward. Since much of the U.S. leadership came from the (Bones dominated) Philippines Governor Generalship for the next 20-30 years, by the 1920s within the United States, the same groups pushed a Philippines style prohibition into the United States--and then it started to expand globally--which was what they intended from 1898 as they stated themselves in their Commission report in the Philippines.

Since all of the many names of early Russell and Company (and durable Skull and Bones) made their money in the international drug trades, their money laundering leveraged illicit wealth into “social position” at home. They constructed buildings, universities, bridges, roads, railroads, ships, churches, and started capital intensive businesses colonizing and consolidating other areas with their opium wealth. Many of these projects shared two things: they were of course based from monopoly profits of the criminal opium trade; and they sourced Skull and Bones members to run them in a double extended “family” of companies and interchangeable personnel who got their wealth from Russell and Company.

Like other similar Mafias past and present, “family” meant everything, With their hyper-rich status they could be very Janus-faced: private, loyal, and charitous to willing clients—though crossing them could mean instant punishment, ostracizing, and even death. They could attempted to draw on networks already in place across a score of businesses, political contacts, legislators, judges, newspapers, educational facilities, banks, and Governors to “get at someone.” The euphemism of such operations was a quiet talk between Bonesmen starting along the coded lines of: “General Russell needs a favor…”

Bones and Global Narcotics/Stimulants Empires: Peddling Drugs in Engineered Prohibitions for Monopoly Profits

With a financial homeland in London and New England, and with personnel coming from behind the 322 door for 170+ years, what follows on the thin surface is an unbelievable and easily dismissible story--until the sheer weight of evidence is sifted.

Enhancing a sentiment expressed by Webster Tarpley in his opus George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, he expresses a theme undeniable--though which can be expanded to capture the Janus-faced aspects of Skull and Bones that he has ignored. The background to Skull and Bones is indeed as Tarpley writes a story of “Opium and Empire,” though it is a bitter struggle for political control over BOTH the international criminal narcotics trades beyond opium from day one (i.e., starting with opium and moving into others), along with increasing attempts to capture the policy of the U.S. republic.

This was particularly for foreign policy, with the aim to turn the United States Republic into a Latter Day Roman Empire families run by the wealth of the drug trades. The foot in the door was the Bones-dominated Philippines.

The small coterie of U.S. dynastic elites in these ventures were one in the same.

Drug Traders Making Drugs Illegal

Currently the world economy according to U.N. data has two conspicuous leading sectors: the first and largest is oil. This expanded out of U.S. commercial imperialism at home and abroad from the Rockefeller Standard Oil Monopolies that were quickly consolidated after the U.S. Civil War to dominate around 90% of oil production in the U.S. under one company—and then it went international. It has been allied from the start of the 20th century with British oil interests. The next largest global sector financially speaking is illegal, though it pulls around $400 billion dollars a year to--someone. This is the international narcotics trades.

Its pull is a close second to oil.

It has to be money laundered.

Four hundred billion dollars annually is a criminal socioeconomic effect hard to hide without the police and government elites intentionally looking the other way.

Who contributed to making it illegal? Mostly, Bonesmen did so in the United States, as they were consolidating their illicit drug empires.

Bonesman William Taft, one of the many Bonesman sons of Bonesman co-founder of Skull and Bones Alphonso Taft, was a major pressure for turning American Puritanism into domestic and then international drug crusades, popularizing the ‘concept’ of creation of U.S.-sponsored international narcotics laws of prohibition and criminalization--of users instead of the bankers of course.

Second, we have Bonesman Francis Burton Harrison (S&B, 1895). He was New York Representative to the U.S. Congress (1903-05, 1907-13), who during his second stint introduced the Bonesman self-named Harrison Narcotics Tax Act, which became law (after he left the U.S. Congress) on December 17, 1917. Before then he actually resigns from the U.S. Congress on September 1, 1913, to become appointed Bones Governor-General of the Philippines, a position he held from 1913-21.

Many Bonesmen besides him have held the (Bonesman) Civilian Governorship of the Philippines in the growing American empire, as the Philippines were seized in 1898 during the Spanish-American War (with help from Britain actually in the South Pacific as they were interested in helping the U.S. against the Germans in the area).

The constitution of the American Philippines was written by Elihu Root, a major internationalist. He came from a law firm packed with Bonesmen. He wrote up the Governor General's powers to be a virtual dictator. It was quickly populated with Bonesmen from intergenerational Bones families or their easily controllable proxies.

Actually the first thing that the Brent Commission does in U.S. militarily conquered (and mass decimated) Philippines was, instead of “recommending” merely Philippines territorial drug prohibition, it cut to the chase and recommended international prohibition! It would be fascinating to explore who was a part of this “recommendation” strategy, and who appointed whom to the Commission after the U.S. conquest of the Philippines, particularly if your unstated goal from the beginning was expanding your wealth once you lost your handy Chinese prohibition framework of criminal wealth monopolization by 1858 as opium was legalized in China causing a drop in price.

In 1920, while Governor General of the Philippines, Bonesman Harrison was a candidate for the Democratic nomination in the U.S. Presidential election. Failing in that nomination, he leaves the Governor General position, though just becomes becomes Advisor to the (American) President of the Philippines.

The Bones Harrison's are a major intergenerational Bones family.

Thus, the first American Prohibition laws were introduced into a Bones-won and Bones-administrated Philippine Military colony.

Stepping back a bit, who was the first Governor-General of the Philippines, before Bonesman Harrison? Why, it was the son of Skull and Bones co-founder Alphonso Taft, William Howard Taft (S&B, 1878).

Bonesman William H. Taft followed a similar “Harrison” pattern above: William H. Taft was a Bonesman Governor General of the Philippines (1901-4), thus, getting himself positioned in the public eye by Bonesmen long before being appointed Secretary of War (1904-08) for President Theodore Roosevelt. (Theodore Roosevelt was the first U.S. president to appoint many Bonesmen into federal positions around him).

Similar to the failed attempt to parley the Philippines Governor Generalship into a U.S. Presidency (by Bonesman Governor General Harrison in the Democratic ticket in 1920), Bonesman Governor General of the Philippines William H. Taft was indeed the first Bonesman President of the United States (1908-12).

Later William H. Taft was appointed by President Warren G. Harding (Harding from a Bonesman family though non-Bones himself) as a Bonesman Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. (There have been quite a few Chief Justice Bonesmen actually; even more Associate Justices. Bonesman Chief Justice Waite back in the late 1800s rubberstamped the illegal corporate personhood creation in the United States.)

Thus, Bonesman Taft was appointed by President Harding (of Bones family) to the Supreme Court. This non-Bonesman from a Bones family, Harding is described as a dark horse and a totally political unknown during the 1920 Republican National Convention. Despite that, he becomes the presidential nominee regardless.

Remember in 1920, another Bonesman, Francis Burton Harrison (S&B, 1895), himself from another intergenerational Bones family, was contending for the Democratic Party Presidential Ticket in that year.

So with Bonesman Taft on the Supreme Court, they could be assured that the lucrative Prohibition would remain legal.

Conclusion

The fact is that the internationalized prohibition and criminialization ideas were aired from the two founding families of Skull and Bones. One side of the founding family involved in Russell and Company stood to make a further monopoly killing--if only a “China trade” prohibition could be engineered into a globalized prohibition. The other founding family of intergenerational Bonesmen, the Tafts, were instrumental in turning prohibition into a 'moral crusade' in the late 1800s. Yet another major intergenerational Bones family, the Harrisons, put it all together by introducing the Harrison Narcotics Tax Act. This was soon to be transformed into complete prohibition by 1924.

This is a prime example of how U.S. imperialism, prohibition, and the drug trades have expanded together—benefiting the same criminal dynasties of financial money laundering families in London and drug running opium fortunes in New England.

Skull and Bones is hardly of importance only to the United States in other words. Skull and Bones networks are important in the global history of international narcotics/stimulants consolidation, expanding out of the “China trade” into a further internationalization of organized crime and internationalization of state corruption. Such global prohibition frameworks came about through U.S. Bones-(i.e., U.S. opium monopoly)-recommendations for increasing “international narcotics bans.”

If most nationalist histories are inward looking, the history of Skull and Bones requires us to have simultaneously a Janus-like view: a view looking simultaneously outward toward the hyper-rich dynasties on the open seas involved in international drug running, while simultaneously looking inward toward the domestic effects on U.S. affairs of international drug lord wealth on U.S. state corruption and its state alterations from the 1800s.

7/09/2007 09:35:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Another few tidbits:

During that first Opium War, the Chief of Operations for Russell & Co. in Canton was Warren Delano, Jr, grandfather of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1933-1945). Simultaneously to being Russell and Company’s Chief of Operations, i.e., “head drug smuggler,” Warren Delano was official US vice-consul in China. Warren Delano went home with a huge criminal fortune, lost it, and went back to China to get more.

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Remember from above, how by 1920 Bonesmen cliques were fielding candidates within the Democratic and Republican Party elections for President; it seems that they got a family relation of Coolidge in as Vice President in 1920 as well as got Harding for their efforts, and when Harding was dead, Coolidge moved into the White House, and then in the next election was set to be President himself on the Republican Ticket. In four more years, just one President later, this same small coterie of intermarried drug baron families sired yet another President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1933-1945), grandson of the Partner of Russell and Co., Warren Delano. Delano in this name stems from the Warren Delano mentioned above, Chief of Operations of Russell and Company during The First Opium War. There are many other Delano’s in Brown Brothers as Partners there. Brown Brothers is the private international merchant bank with thus family interlocks with both Russell and Company (and others besides the Delanos) as well as family interlocks either interlocking directorship members with the Bank of England (via the Collets).

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In the same period of the early 1970s, while Bush was sent to China, former DEA special agent Michael Levine likened the "War on Drugs" a con game. In the early seventies Levine was assigned to the Hard Narcotics Smuggling Squad, which investigated all heroin and cocaine smuggling through the port of New York City. In Kristina Borjesson's ‘’Into the Buzzsaw’’ he writes that "we could not avoid witnessing the CIA protecting major drug dealers":

“In fact, throughout the Vietnam War, while we documented massive amounts of heroin flooding into the US from the Golden Triangle...not a single important source in Southeast Asia was ever indicted by US law enforcement. This was no accident. Case after case...was killed by CIA and State Department intervention and there wasn't a damn thing we could do about it.”

Levine continues:

“Media's shill duties, as I experienced them firsthand, were twofold: first, to keep quiet about the gush of drugs that were allowed to flow unimpeded into the US; second, to divert the public's attention by shilling them into believing the drug war was legitimate by falsely presenting the few trickles we were permitted to indict as though they were major "victories" when in fact we were doing nothing more than getting rid of the inefficient competitors of CIA assets.”

Later, the same Bonesman Bush returns from China, and turns up as head of the CIA in 1975-76--the very organization that DEA agent Levine had fingered as running drugs into New York City.

A handful of years later, this network was still there and confirmed by another public source.

Frances Mullen, Jr., the actual former head of the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) now, says something eerily familiar. He called then Bonesman Vice President Bush's mid 1980s efforts at drug interdiction "an intellectual fraud" and "a liability rather than an asset."

A third witness, so to speak is the U.S. Congress General Accounting Office. Soon after these statements, Mullen resigned and the resultant General Accounting Office (GAO) (independent Congressional auditing bureau for providing information to Congress on evaluating government programs) report was buried. In July, 1985, the suppressed GAO paper reported that there were "no benefits from the National Narcotics Border Interdiction System, directed by George Bush. In fact, the overall effect was to encourage supply...."

Fourth witness would be Monika Jensen-Stevenson, a "60 Minutes" producer, who quit her job after the CBS news program (founded by U.S. military intelligence personnel after WWII) refused to air the story she had uncovered relating to the covert drug trade.

Her book, ‘’Kiss The Boys Goodbye’’, details how U.S. intelligence used the apparatus of the POW/MIA governmental agencies as a cover for trafficking of opiates from the “Golden Triangle.".

A fifth witness would be her counter-verification by a President Reagan appointee—and later Reform Party candidate and Texas billionaire Ross Perot. Perot before becoming involved in the Reform Party was appointed by Reagan to the President's Advisory Council on Foreign Intelligence.

Reagan made Perot “special presidential investigator,” looking into America's POW and MIAs from the Vietnam "War". Ross took the job to heart--like his predecessors DEA agent Michael Levine and head of DEA Frances Mullen, Jr. did, before him.

Perot spent considerable time and money in pursuit of the quest. He was given special access to classified information, clearances and personnel access. He asked questions and interviewed everyone he could find. From ‘’Kiss The Boys Goodbye:’’

"Relations between Bush and Perot had gone downhill ever since the [Bonesman] Vice-
President had asked Ross Perot how his POW/MIA investigations were going. 'Well, George, I go in looking for prisoners,' said Perot, 'but I spend all my time discovering the government has been moving drugs around the world and is involved in illegal arms deals.... I can't get at the prisoners because of the corruption among our own people.' This ended Perot's official access to the highly classified files as a one-man presidential investigator. 'I have been instructed to cease and desist,' he had informed the families of missing men early in 1987."

Five years hence, from the Reform Party platform, Perot runs against Bonesman George H. W. Bush, the person connected by all these witnesses as running drugs into the U.S.A. and intentionally making it easier for them to get there.

Though Bush was nominated on the Republican Party ticket in 1992 while Perot was nominated on the Reform Party against him, both lost to close Bush family partner Bill Clinton--who had aided Bonesman Bush in the late 1970s and 1980s when he was Governor of Arkansas.

Governor Clinton was looking after the (then Bush headed) CIA’s drug transshipment point in Mena, Arkansas, into the United States in his state. Clinton obtained a Juris Doctor (J.D.) degree from Yale Law School in 1973. While at Yale, he met a classmate who would eventually be his wife, Hillary Rodham; they married in 1975.

The very next year, in 1976, Clinton was “elected” Attorney General of Arkansas—which was easy, because no one stood to run against him.

He had just lost an electoral attempt at becoming the Arkansas Governor in 1974, only one year after leaving Yale.

Hillary Clinton has been on the Board of Directors with George H. W. Bush in a corporation called American LaFarge, which was cited as an illegal gunrunner heating up the Iraq-Iran war in the 1980s.

“As a sizeable stockholder of a unit of a French firm, American LaFarge, the Elder Bush was implicated in reportedly supplying the ingredients for poison gas to be manufactured by Iraq, to be used against Iraq's domestic dissidents, namely, the Kurds, as well as against the Iranians, during the Iran-Iraq War, 1980 to 1988. A Director of American LaFarge, naturally, was Hillary Rodham Clinton, wife of the Bush Family pal.”
http://www.skolnicksreport.com/ootar.html

According to a major British newspaper in 2002 concerning this issue, the London Telegraph reports that the Irish Republican Army, the IRA, penetrated American/British high government secrets. In their internet website version, the London Telegraph, under a headline "Bush-Blair transcript 'seized by IRA spies'", by Thomas Harding, Ireland correspondent, filed October 8, 2002, stated amongst other points about the Bush-Clinton connection through American LaFarge:

"The Bush/Blair discussions and related documents, referred to Daddy Bush, as former head of the American CIA, helping by arranging political murders, to put Saddam Hussein in as Iraqi strongman in the late 1970s. [Saddam Hussein was a CIA recruited agent.] Both [Bonesman] George W. Bush and Tony Blair, according to the secret transcripts and related documents, are concerned that Saddam Hussein, as a living witness, can give personal direct testimony, as to the treason by [Bonesman] Daddy Bush in setting Iraq against Iran, and Iran against Iraq, resulting in the huge bloodshed in the Iran-Iraq War, 1980-1988. Used against Iran by Iraq was poison gas from ingredients reportedly supplied by a unit of a French firm, American LaFarge, of which Daddy Bush was a substantial owner and Hillary Rodham Clinton was a Director." [Related document: http://www.gulfwarvets.com] One of the purposes Daddy Bush fulfilled instigating the eight year conflict was to aid his pals, American/British financial interests, continue to control Persian Gulf Oil reserves and by bombings and fires, interfering with oil production in the gulf thus keeping up the price of oil.…By their discussions, Bush/Blair show they understand that a full inquiry into the Iraq matter, will be detrimental, in that it would show that the Daddy Bush Administration, aided by the London government, supplied Saddam Hussein with chemical/biological weapons and elements toward a nuclear device, that were destroyed by the U.N. Inspection teams. [See documented study in the book ‘’Spider's Web: The Secret History of How the White House Illegally Armed Iraq’’, by Alan Friedman (journalist with the ‘’Financial Times of London’’), Bantam Books, 1993.]

In short, for well over 200 years, the wholesale connection of the telegenetic rich elites of the United States have been international drug lords interested in creating wars, artificial high price structures whether oil or opium, and moving opium around the world and money laundering it into their projects.

The importation of another drug, cocaine, into the U.S. during "Iran/Contra" is also well documented.

Bonesman VP George Bush is known "to be in the loop" on that one with many of the players keeping in contact directly with his office.

This connects very well with speculations about the use of pipelines and off-shore rigs as 20th century “storeships” for opium and other illicit drugs trade smuggling. Plus ca change.

Moreover, these refined narcotics require quite an array of specialized trained chemists and precursor chemicals.

Stimulants such as cocaine and narcotics like heroin cannot be manufactured without the precursor chemicals. The largest maker of these precursor chemicals is the Eli Lilly Company of Indianapolis, Indiana. The Quayle family (Vice President for Bonesman President George H. W. Bush, 1998-92), is a large stockholder, and George Bush has been on the Board of Directors of Eli Lilly. This company is the one that first synthesized LSD for the Bones-birthed CIA.

Yale is still interested in selecting and sponsoring future leaders--whether they be U.S. citizens like Bill or Hillary Clinton as Bush-Bones family proxies, or Chinese like Mao Zedong via Yale-in-China, or more recently Yale University’s decision to “educate” the fourth grade level representative of the Taliban.

Other Taliban have been sent to Guantanamo Bay.

Some of their leadership instead, get to go to Yale and have all requirement or standards waived--even though they were just overthrown in Afghanistan by U.S. troops.

In a ‘’Wall Street Journal’’ Editorial, “Taliban Spokesman Now Yale Student, Jihadi Turns [Yalie] Bulldog”: of February 28,. 2006:

"The Taliban's former spokesman is now a Yale student. Anyone see a problem with that?

Never has an article made me blink with astonishment as much as when I read in yesterday's ‘’New York Times’’ magazine that Sayed Rahmatullah Hashemi, former ambassador-at-large for the Taliban, is now studying at Yale on a U.S. student visa..."

7/09/2007 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Mark.. concise bit of research with a short "Canadian" addendum here. The Trudeau family fortune is in LaFarge and the company running the chemical weapons into Iraq was Carlyle Canada. The transportation for these and other wmd's was provided by Canada Steamship Co. owner Paul Martin. There is a story developing that these companies and "Canadian" players have more to do with 911 than did any American insider. The Liberal ambassador to the U.S. is a former director for Carlyle Canada and a former east coast premier and a member in good standing of the Bilderberger group.

Omni...Let me repeat myself at the risk of being crude. Drugs are a cheap way to achieving Nirvana or the cosmic consciousness. That consciousness is like a room in a mansion. Getting high gets you in the room but it doesn't get you into the mansion.

7/09/2007 11:14:00 AM  
Blogger omnimental said...

ericswan said:
Omni...Let me repeat myself at the risk of being crude. Drugs are a cheap way to achieving Nirvana or the cosmic consciousness. That consciousness is like a room in a mansion. Getting high gets you in the room but it doesn't get you into the mansion.

Okay, eric, so your solution is to play God? Set up a contrived evolutionary trap (viciously criminalizing drug laws) in the face of a society with no natural phenomenon to thin the heard, then anyone who makes the "cheap" mistake of half killing themselves with the cartel's cut-up shit deserves it? Thin out the heard with a drug trap? Are you sure you want to agree with that eric? Sounds like you are a eugenicist yourself? Are you eric? Just asking.

On another note, what are you guys going to do when you map out the perfect family tree of collusion, replete with stats on culpability, in 911 and the drug trade, write them all a letter of disapproval?

Let me get this straight, Yale acted alone? Sounds like the Lee Harvey of the universities.

7/09/2007 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Yeah, and "the heard" was just a test. I NEVER mispell anything, but if I ever do on account of some short circuit in my internal symbol organizer, please disregard my reasoning.

7/09/2007 12:28:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

http://www.aci.net/kalliste/homepage.html

Yeah, haa, haa, haa eric. You almost got me to whip it out and soil my screen. Thanks for the link on my blog, but with all due respect, I am hesitant to attach the idea of UFOs and hot, naked beavers with extreme complicity/involvement with global child/drug trade by “global leaders.” The latter is most probably occurring. The former is definitely occurring (I can’t tell whether the planes flying at 10,000 ft. above my city leaving conspicuously opaque white s**t are tanker jets or what). However, attaching UFOs to any subject, even simply typing the acronym anywhere, puts your other strong evidence in serious question. I choose to leave the UFOs out of it. I went through that—and got over it--as a neophyte 10 years ago.

Nice breasts, uh, yeah, math I mean. Thanks.

7/09/2007 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Really, really great conversation going on here! I know that the volume and pace of these dialogues have dropped off considerably in the past 6 months or so--partially, of course, due to Jeff having to shut down the satanic spammers with the registered user format, and also because Jeff himself was getting a little overextended--but the trajectory of our collective intuition seems to be achieving a tighter focus nonetheless.

Which is good.

What I mean by focus is that much of the evildoers' plan seems to be fairly obvious now, as well as the possible avenues of change. I've been harping on the importance of this two-tiered approach a lot recently for reasons that we all appreciate, I think. Omni, I hope I've convinced you that I'm not out to derail the investigative side of things; if anything I want to dig deeper into the history of the problem and the solutions, because THEY are also getting their filthy snouts into the latter, after having brought about the former. Typically, cynically.

Lots to say today, but I'll try to be as brief as possible--I know I've already said too much and I really don't want to strain everyone's patience any further.

Shrub,

Your comment on the universality of stupidity made me laugh...and then it reminded me of that quote attributed to Jesus--the one where He says the poor will always be with us. I think it was really Paul who said that, as part of his Justifications of Slavery, or maybe John with his "back off, Gnostic Thomas! They have to bow to the Church if they want to see God!" Yeah, the stupid will always be with us--maybe we can find more amusing occupations for them.

ericswan,

Right on! If they give us the freedom to just say no, then it's a fair cop, eh?



Omni, I owe you something of an apology: when I said we were all some shade of brown, I didn't mean to demean your point about the browner folks of the earth bearing the brunt of the Owners' greed and bloodlust. They have and continue to pay for most of the crimes committed in "our" name. I guess I just wanted to expand the dimensions of the new proletariat. When you read Norbert Blüm's assessment of where the world's going (and who's driving), the first thing that strikes the mind's eye is the very Naked Fact (near the end of this short article) that "the 358 richest families own one half of the world’s assets."

Sure, the American herd is far better off (materially) than the 3rd world herds, but that's just camoflage; the truly rich keep most of their ill-gotten gains well away from the eyes that hunger for truth & justice.

This is the first problem we have in recognizing what's going on here. Blüm starts his Naked Facts section with this acknowledgement:

Figures do not explain the world, but they save a lot of words. The list of billionaires drawn up each year by the American business magazine Forbes again registered powerful growth in 2006. 102 names were added to the list of the billionaires’ club, and the 793 billionaires in the world stand in stark contrast to the 3 billion people who have to manage on less than 2 dollars a day, with 1.3 billion having less than 1 dollar a day.

This sounds, very unfortunately, like the very worst of the conspiracy theorizing that attempts to take on the problem of the widening disparity between rich & poor. Cynically optimistic person that I am, I can't shake the feeling that the elite created the whole secret society meme in order to marginalize anyone who might wonder why so few had so much (wealth, power & influence).

Here's a great example. Mark describes in concise detail these Skull & Bones connections to the institutionalization of prohibition, which sounds both factual and occultly sinister. Which of the two impressions is more truthful; which castigates the intrepid investigator as a member of the lunatic fringe?

Say what you want about RAW--if nothing else, Illuminatus! demonstrates the use & abuse by TPTB of symbols and symbolic representations to obfuscate the very real symbiosis between power and behind-the-scenes machinations. The octopus uses that ink for a clear purpose: to make its maneuvers murky and those who would track them somehow "unbalanced".

Here's another example. My friend over at Peak Energy is trying to get to the bottom of who exactly the Club of Rome is, what its agenda is, and why there's so much messy ink spilled in their wake. I have my own preconceptions about the COR, but I really wanted to set them aside to look into this business for my friend because he's doing some very important work on the role of energy in the problems & solutions game--an area into which the COR has spread its tentacles in the most innocuous appearing manner possible.

They're making noises about the decentralization of energy production. (Gasp!)

This is my turf and I know I don't trust them, but I don't want to rely on Dave McGowan and the Infowars crowd for my reasons. This is not to say that those guys don't have things of value to add, but just that I want to try to get at the truth without putting on the clothes they've laid out for me.

The other suspicious organization is The Arlington Institute, run by (or, at least with) James Woolsey of CIA infamy. Woolsey is a complicated case, if you believe the persona that's been crafted for him. In his first incarnation, Woolsey was a PNAC hegemony hawk. His rap sheet is even scarier, if that's possible, as well as his support for the "they hate our freedoms" line of BS that we used to hear so much about in this phony War On Terror:

As "children and preachers of Madison's constitution," he (Woolsey) said, U.S. citizens are going to have to make some hard choices and take critical positions. We unknowingly harbored our own enemy leading up to the September 11 bombings. "We're going to have to think about how we are going to deal with some of these issues… We are going to have to take some steps… that we would not have done before 9/11... "

But then a kinder, gentler Woolsey began to emerge from the imaging tanks. First he defends some low key "terror suspects" pro bono--even complaining about the loss of due process that he advocated in the first place, which supposedly earns him the reputation of being "soft on terror" among his old cronies in the national security apparatus. Then, he does an apparent about-face on oil & hegemony, announcing that America can't be reliant on foreign oil any longer...so let's legalize hemp and go green! (?!)

Thus was the TAI born. DMT enthusiast and Mayan prophecy guru Daniel Pinchbeck joins the team, along with a respectable cadre of "futurists" and such like. The TAI then branches out, promoting biomimcry of all things (Schauberger's "kapieren & kopieren" philosophy of making technology emulate Nature instead of dominating it), and Woolsey gets himself appointed as legal counsel for the hemp legalization movement.

WTF!

Something is very, very wrong here. The COR was founded by the oil industry and CFR's and such like, right? Why in God's green earth would they be supporting the decentralization of energy production? This would give the little brown people everywhere autonomy, depriving the PTB of their hegemony!

But maybe I'm wrong in assuming that the COR was founded by the oil industry specifically and the ruling classes generally. Or am I? Can we talk about what these guys are up to without mongering conspiracies, or has it been so cleverly set up that anyone who questions their motives and integrity is automatically suspected of grasping for unsubstantiated connections?

Avoiding the most flagrantly conspiratorially-minded sources, this is the short version of what I came up with. The first is from a site called TheHubPages, where I found this quote under The Club of Rome: the environmental elite think tank:

"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill ... All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."

(— in The First Global Revolution, pp.104-105 by Alexander King, founder of the Club of Rome and Bertrand Schneider, secretary of the Club of Rome)

Now, if this is legit, then the green suit in which the COR dresses its activities is a thin, shabby coat that hides a truly opportunistic cabal.

Another interesting source on the COR is Malthus Down Under by MELANIE LAZAROW, who exposes both the neo-Malthusianism that informs the COR's agenda and links their development to previous eco-fascisms. I'm going to close with an excerpt from this piece, but I have to ask you bright readers for some help here: is it possible for groups like the TAI and the COR to betray the interests which formed them?

Can such outfits embrace Norbert Blüm's call for social justice and the redistribution of wealth? Can they actually denounce social Darwinism and neo-Malthusianism, joining my boy Kötke in finding a different moral basis of life? An egalitarian foundation for human social & political organization?

Or is Woolsey speaking for the hemp movement like putting petro-foxes in charge of chemurgical henhouses (again)?


(from Malthus Down Under):

...the debate about overpopulation was forming within an international context. Malthus’s ideas were disinterred and given a modern gloss in the late 1960s. This is important since most of today’s environmental debates about population and Australia’s carrying capacity have their origins in the Neo-Malthusian dominated 1960s movement.

Arguments have been made that Malthus’s ideas were rediscovered after the Second World War as an ideological weapon to justify the Cold War Simons talks of William Vogt’s The Road to Survival which despite the many losses of life in the War claimed the world was overpopulated.

Vogt, it is true, said the United Nations "should not ship food to keep alive millions of Indians and Chinese this year so that 50 million should die five years hence" Vogt claimed famine would hit Germany, Japan and China unless the USA intervened. He complained that the USA was being blackmailed:

"Unless we pay we shall leave a vacuum that would suck in the police state from the east: and-there would be no more of this self-determination nonsense…"

The solution, he said, was to tie US food aid to ‘national programs leading to stabilisation.’ Doctors as far as Vogt was concerned "apply their intelligence to one aspect of man’s welfare -survival-and deny their moral right to apply it to the problem as a whole… Anything we do to fortify the stench-to increase the population -is a disservice to both Europe and to ourselves"

These ideas, best sellers, but still outlandish in the late 1940s had, by the 1960s, become vital weapons for the ruling class. As Hans Magnus Enzensburger explained in his pioneering study of the environmental movement:

"The neo-malthusian arguments… Found expression at a particular moment in time and in a quite particular context. They originate almost exclusively from North American sources and can be dated to the late 1950s and early 1960s - a time when the liberating movements of the third world had become a central problem for the leading imperialist nation."

Nothing could be better for the American ruling class than to put down the domination of the third world, not to imperialism, but to there being too many of the victims of imperialism. There were policy implications too money that used to be invested in economic growth would now be put into population control.

During the 1960s these ideas spread into popular consciousness. Terms were born like "population explosion" and "biological time bomb". They were kept there by a series of publications which purported to offer a scientific justification for racist and imperialist actions. One of the most famous was The Population Bomb by Dr Paul Ehrlich, follower of Vogt. It was published in May 1968 and was an instant best seller.

The opening chapter was one paragraph long, titled "The Problem" and describing ‘one stinking hot night in Delhi a couple of years ago’. Ehrlich, his wife and child were taken by taxi through the city slums. They didn’t like it:

"People eating, people washing, people sleeping, people visiting, arguing, screaming. People thrusting their hands through the taxi window, begging. People defecating and urinating. People clinging to the buses. People herding animals. People, people, people, people. As we moved slowly through the mob, hand horn squawking, the dust, and noise, heat and cooking fires gave the scene a hellish aspect. Would we ever get to our hotel? All three of us were, frankly, frightened. Since that night I’ve known the feel of overpopulation."

Engels recorded similar scenes in Manchester in his "Condition of the English Working Class". Hogarth drew the same slum scenes in London in the 18th century. But they blamed the horror of what they saw on poverty, not overpopulation. Talk of overpopulation invariably has racist implications when it is raised in the western industrial world. The same racism was evident in Judith Wright’s keynote address to the Australian Conservation foundation’s National Conference in 1988 where she referred to India and china as "two of the worlds most highly populated areas". This is highly misleading. Population is much higher in western Europe than either of these countries. Because living standards are much higher the high density of living is concealed.

Ehrlich’s work was an invitation to genocide. He urged the government not to send food aid to countries where ‘dispassionate analysis indicates the food-population unbalance is hopeless’. The occupants of the Delhi slums were to be left to starve, but food could be sent to ‘the Pakistani government under the tough minded leadership of President Ayub Khan’. In other words to a tyrant sympathetic to the USA.

Instead of food, Ehrlich supported an Indian politician who proposed compulsory sterilisation for all men who had more than three children. These ideas had practical results. In India a mass (often compulsory) sterilisation campaign was carried out. In Australia immigration control and the full-continent theory began to become more popular.

The Population Bomb made Ehrlich into a media superstar. He appeared regularly on TV chat shows and his thoughts were featured in the newspapers. The Australian Broadcasting Corporation, continued to popularize these theories in a television series A Question of Survival, produced by the TV science unit. Ehrlich was one of the presenters.

The epitome of these theories was a study done by a team of scientists from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology for the Club of Rome in the late 1960s. The Club, founded by Italian Business consultant Aurelio Pecci and supported by the chairman of Fiat, commissioned MIT to draw up a computer model of the world and to predict future events. The model was complicated, but it came up with simple solutions. Unless something was done fast, the world would, within a few decades, be overcome by overpopulation, pollution and raw material shortages.

No matter which way the variables were altered, said the leader of the team, Dennis Meadows, catastrophe could not be averted. The only solution, argued the Club of Rome, was to halt economic growth, not just population growth as people like Ehrlich were demanding.

This dismal prediction was compounded by a warning that any attempt to deal pragmatically with the coming crisis, to simply ‘muddle through’, would make matters worse. Meadows dressed up this pessimistic conclusion in fancy language. He called for ‘counter-intuitive ‘ solutions, implying that disaster could only be averted by strong world government and determined central planning.

Like Malthus 150 years earlier, The Limits to Growth was influential but wrong. The book sold in millions and helped inspire a wave of populist doomsday literature. David Stenhouse’s Crisis in Abundance, Coombs’s The Fragile Pattern: Institutions and Man and Sir Macfarlane Burnet’s Dominant Mammal: the Biology of Human Destiny are some Australian examples. As science, The Limits to Growth was fundamentally flawed. All the ‘limits’ it explained were physical. No attention was paid to the social and political factors that threatened famine in the third world and pollution and stagnation in the first. The Science Policy Research Unit at Sussex University produced a devastating critque of The Limits to Growth which they originally planned to title Malthus with a Computer, but then pointedly called Thinking About the Future.

7/09/2007 02:56:00 PM  
Blogger et in Arcadia ego Eve said...

Also, they don't want us to telecommute because they like us to buy their very expensive gas...and constantly move our very expensive license plates up and down the road, which keeps us from cooking proper meals for our children and attending holiday oriented school functions.

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Sorry you were subjected to the Magick Kingdom Shrubbery.

if I only could,
I'd make a deal with God,
And I'd get him to swap our places

7/09/2007 04:04:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

And the answer to Jeff’s original question 90 comments ago is…another question by IC

“or has it been so cleverly set up that anyone who questions their motives and integrity is automatically suspected of grasping for unsubstantiated connections?”

whose answer is:

Y Y EEEEE SSS !
Y E S !
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Y E S
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7/09/2007 04:37:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

1.

Eric said:

"with a short "Canadian" addendum here. The Trudeau family fortune is in LaFarge and the company running the chemical weapons into Iraq was Carlyle Canada. The transportation for these and other wmd's was provided by Canada Steamship Co. owner Paul Martin...

Thanks Eric for that rather tight fitting puzzle piece. Ties in really with what Cathy O'Brien said about the high level Bush/Reagan/Trudeau/others White House parties and their conversations about taking over the world. Tommy Douglas never liked Trudeau...

You did hear in the Canadian media that Martin's ship line was caught smuggling cocaine, right? I think I read something in the late Skolnick about that...

If you're ever interested in the bit Canada has played over the past 200 years or so in all this, there's the exhaustively documented Treason in America by Chaitkin. Get the 1998 updated edition.

2.

Omni said:

"Let me get this straight, Yale acted alone? Sounds like the Lee Harvey of the universities.

No, though Yale networks did actually bud everywhere like amoebas. You should read the Opium and Empire chapter of Tarpley's book on the web to note the people mentioned and how massive global drug wealth concentrated and inbred into mostly Yale had a huge developmental effect on the USA from that little bitty point.

Besides, most fraternities and sororities in the USA had their start at Yale for instance. Yale has been linked with the U.S. spycraft networks since before 1776 as well. There's the same statue of Nathan Hale in front of CIA headquarters as on Yale's campus for instance. A lot more detail is in the Kris Millegan book, a son of Yale-sponsored spies actually. His father attempted to have a talk with Kris back in the 1960s with another man from his work, saying "Kris, the secret societies are behind it all, and if you're going to take drugs you're just giving more power to THEM."

Kris said he never heard his father talk this way before, and as an adolescent didn't really know what to ask. He says he spent the last twenty years finding out what he might have asked his father about back in the 1960s. Here's some links of audio and video of Kris, with an explanation of his father's background:

"Kris Milligan is a writer, research, publisher whose father was from age 18 involved in U.S. intelligence operations, in Shanghai in the late 1930s (opium drug capital of the world) and was later sponsored by (unknown to him at the time a Skull and Bones member) Archibald MacLeish, which led him into in the WWII Office of Strateic Services ("OSS," foundation network of later CIA, 1947). Simultaneously, his father was in G2 military intelligence, then, later, in the CIA as a branch chief and head of intelligence analysis for East Asia. Kris's father while in the CIA worked with Lansdale's CIA drug trade facilitation operations. Additionally, Lansdale was the one who helped put together the PROJECT NORTHWOODS document, that was a state terrorist self-hit operation (fully authorized by the full complement of the U.S. Joint Chief's of Staff) to facilitate an invasion of Cuba after the failed George H. W. Bush invasion operation of the Bay of Pigs [see the book George Bush: the Unauthorized Biography, http://www.tarpley.net]. Landsdale and others wrote up their ideas for manipulating and manufacturing 'support' for another more direct military pre-emptive attack on Cuba through the pretext of the U.S. planning to kill its own citizens in various ways to start the war, and then blame it on Cuba. President Kennedy rejected the idea.

Earlier, his father was a spy for the executive branch in the CIA/OSS, spying on the US military's intelligence operations since he was intentionally placed in G2 by the OSS during Wallace and Gen. Marshall. This was presumably in WWII and just after and it was done without Marshall's knowledge that he was in OSS as well. This made him a very rare example of public knowledge of a person who is effectively a double agent, being in multiple intelligence operations while intentionally betraying one to the other. Do you think that this would potential source of blown cover and learning lots of juicy secrets that would weigh heavily on your soul?

Well, that is just what happened. Kris Milligan's father, privy to all these high level international secrets, told his son Kris some things in the late 1960s about the proverbial "them" and how Vietnam was all about

[1] "secret societies",

[2] "forcing open the heroin drug markets, and intentionally getting U.S. kids addicted to the stuff for a market",

[3] about "intentionally choosing a losing option" against the North Vietnamese, and

[4] how "Communism is a sham, all these secret societies are behind it."

Kris just didn't understand at the time and he started to research it.

In the San Fran presentation listed below, Kris has some nice pictures of U.S. CIA's Gen. Lansdale meeting with the ***COMMUNIST NORTH VIETNAMESE*** MILITARY LEADERS as early as the late 1950s. Of course the U.S. official story, or should I say alibi for its public, is that the U.S. claims it was working with the non-Communist south Vietnamese.

All these questions led to some 30 years of research into the CIA, drugs, and clandestine operations.

This in other words is a research path based on more direct "primary sources" unlike many who relied on Antony Sutton's 1980's books on the subject.

Interestingly, [in those pre-web days], Milligan only found Antony Sutton's book on Skull and Bones in 1988--two years before his father died in 1990 so father and son were unable to talk much about it. (For more information on that, Millegan goes into that in his appearance at the San Francisco 9-11 Citizens Inquiry this year as well. That link is below as are several others.)

Kris has produced two drugs/CIA symposiums in 2000 of top researchers, whistleblowers, authors, researchers, and academics in this field.

He is the author of what is being called the "encyclopedia and bedrock of Skull and Bones research", Fleshing out Skull and Bones, published in 2004."


3.

After WWII, there was an attempt at a "Skull and Bones national", i.e., linking all the other chapters. However, no one wanted to agree with Yale's desire to establish centralized requirements for induction. There were well over 30 other affiliated chapters nationwide that were 'senior societies' they reached out to induct only in the last senior year, and are limited to 12-15 people or so. Several other universities besides Yale have this phenomenon. There's one at Brown supposedly, and at Penn State, etc. (The Penn State chapter had a page once about this, and that's where I read it!)

You know Robert Reich, that really short Labor Secretary? He went to Dartmouth and was induced into its tapping senior society. Of course it helped that he went through other rings as well:

"Reich attended Dartmouth College, where he was involved in numerous campus activities and was a member of Casque and Gauntlet and the staff of the Dartmouth Jack-O-Lantern humor magazine. He graduated in 1968, and won a Rhodes Scholarship, earning a Master of Arts degree from University College, Oxford. He later attended Yale Law School, receiving his J.D. in 1973.

Of course it's not just Yale--it's all of Connecticut. :-) During the English Civil War of the 1640s, Connecticut's governor actually left the colony and became part of Cromwell's puppet parliment. He had an idea that all the colonies should send troops to England there, and then Cromwell's New Army would in compensation help them conquer more territory over in North America. The colonies couldn't agree on it among themselves however. Many of the 'Regicides' as they are known were sheltered from Restoration justice in Connecticut, by the 1660s. Some even stayed near the Russells. New Haven even publicly named streets for the Regicides in New Haven. Connecticut was run like a Puritan theocracy well into the late 1800s, where heads of political parties were additionally the head of the Supreme Court, and were head of the Congregational church simultaneously, etc. Almost all of the original U.S. 'military industrial complex' was sited in Connecticut as well.

The people in charge of the Land Grant University frameworks of the USA were all linked to Bones. Bones wrote it up, had it approved finally (it was rejected by Lincoln), and then promptly allocated Connecticut's entire state land grant to Yale, for the rest of the 1800s. The same thing happened with the founder Bonesmen of Cornell University in New York. Bones was instrumental in starting up Michigan, Wisconsin, and California state school systems.

Though, no, Bones is not the end all and be all of U.S. secret societies in high politics. It's just the one that is the most hard to ignore on the effect of orienting the formal institutional developmental path of the USA.


4.

IC said:

The Population Bomb by Dr Paul Ehrlich, follower of Vogt. It was published in May 1968 and was an instant best seller.

Actually, 1968 was the last year of expanding rates [not amounts!] of population growth, though Erlich's broken record continues like its still 1968. From a biostate post once:

"Taking a quote from the link above, the monotonic assumptions of the "Population Bomb" Theory seems to be a dud: World Population has been stabilizing since 2002 and dropping below replacement naturally already--and it has a lot to do with the sociology of larger urbanized populations, percentagewise (as well as likely sadly the issue of environmental pollution toxicity interfering with human endocrine and hormone capacities to fitly breed children to term at all. There's something about potential pollution links already dropping the ratio of boys to girls I've read, because boys seem to be a more sensitive genetically and developmentally to pollution damage.)

And watch this 12 min documentary about oceanic plastic soup in the "Eastern Garbage Patch" of the Pacific Ocean. Many plastics have endocrine disrupting effects.
http://commodityecology.blogspot.com/2007/06/3-building-materialstool-construction.html
The filmmakers titled their short documentary "Alphabet Soup" though it's more like a Endocrine Disrupting Plastic Sargasso Sea.


And from this other biostate post, this quote from the author editor of the Whole Earth Catalogue:

"Take population growth. For 50 years, the demographers in charge of human population projections for the United Nations released hard numbers that substantiated environmentalists' greatest fears about indefinite exponential population increase. For a while, those projections proved fairly accurate. However, in the 1990s, the U.N. started taking a closer look at fertility patterns, and in 2002, it adopted a new theory that shocked many demographers: human population is leveling off rapidly, even precipitously, in developed countries, with the rest of the world soon to follow. Most environmentalists still haven't got the word. Worldwide, birthrates are in free fall. Around one-third of countries now have birthrates below replacement level (2.1 children per woman) and sinking. Nowhere does the downward trend show signs of leveling off. Nations already in a birth dearth crisis include Japan, Italy, Spain, Germany, and Russia -- whose population is now in absolute decline and is expected to be 30 percent lower by 2050. On every part of every continent and in every culture (even Mormon), birthrates are headed down. They reach replacement level and keep on dropping. It turns out that population decrease accelerates downward just as fiercely as population increase accelerated upward, for the same reason. Any variation from the 2.1 rate compounds over time.

That's great news for environmentalists (or it will be when finally noticed [because they still have their itchy genocide fingers on the false Population Bomb concept, though what power to claim to kill off others for their own good]), but they need to recognize what caused the turnaround. The world population growth rate actually peaked at 2 percent way back in 1968, the very year my old teacher Paul Ehrlich published The Population Bomb. [Ironically, the very year Erlich was railing about global genocidal fascism as the solution, it was already turning around. Fascists (or whatever term you want) don't let the facts get in the way of a sickly coveted policy though...'facts' are mobilized to convince you to fall in line with them, not to convince them.]

The world's women didn't suddenly have fewer kids because of his book, though.

They had fewer kids because they moved to town.

Cities are population sinks-always have been. Although more children are an asset in the countryside, they're a liability in the city. A global tipping point in urbanization is what stopped the population explosion. As of this year, 50 percent of the world's population lives in cities, with 61 percent expected by 2030. In 1800 it was 3 percent; in 1900 it was 14 percent.

...

Meanwhile, the global population of illegal urban squatters -- which Robert Neuwirth's book Shadow Cities already estimates at a billion -- is growing fast. ..."


If you want to see how antiquated are Erlich's ideas, watch this talk by Hans Rosling.

However, watch out for the fast and furious number juggling he gives you to claim "everybody's getting more equal in wealth" [sic]. For that he analyses strangely 'hourly earnings' data, which is not wealth (which would be assets data). IC has the pithy quotes on assets above, though just look at Hans in that segment of his presentation that shows an old adage, supposedly penned by Mark Twain:

"Figures don't lie, though liars can figure."

Though for the graphs about the diffusing of the Population Bomb as long ago as 1968 (though not yet diffusing the people with their finger on the vials of biowarfare plagues set to launch), the first five minutes just might change a brainwashed world.


"Hans Rosling: Debunking third-world myths with the best stats you've ever seen," otherwise titled Hans Rosling reveals new [false] insights on poverty though lots of interesting data against "Erlich's world" against supposed "ecofascist" arguments. That world no longer exists, though it's a hell of a policy incentive to stay on top to pretend that it does...]
Length: 20:35
Posted: Jun 2006

With environmental pollution, the concern might quickly flip the population meme into "how to stop dying out because of a poorly made endocrine/hormone mimicking industrial toxic world."

7/09/2007 05:01:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Label me schizophrenic, but Mark, you are never going to convince me that spending hours upon hours doing dot-to-dots is worth anything. The reality is that if there was a main secret society, we would never know its name. Boilerplate, boilerplate, boilerplate.

I am tired of gullible souls who trust supposed ex-intelligence people that out their own family members…by the motivation…?

I could take a bunch of actual people, draw on their personal histories, and make a whole intricate story about their activities. I could publish several books, have “intelligence” agencies put out boilerplate files that support that history. Guess what, I’d be a fiction writer.

7/09/2007 07:15:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

(I'm hanging around the computer so much this afternoon, because I'm editing something and love to find enjoyable procrastinations.)

Well, Omni, so be it. First, don't assume I am talking to you. Second, I don't think you have the discipline or interest to do what you brag you claim you would do.

Third, you are schizophrenic, since you ask for information from anyone (not me directly, though IC directly above), then reject stuff in toto regardless. Is that what you plan to do anyway? Then you don't really have any sense of a learning process. Games people play I guess. Careful. Don't let yourself be so limitingly defined by just repeating the same games with different people. Do you really define yourself this way?

Schizophrenia (from the Greek word σχιζοφρένεια, or schizophreneia, meaning "split mind") is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a mental disorder characterized by impairments in the perception or expression of reality, most commonly manifest as auditory hallucinations and paranoid or bizarre delusions, and by significant social or occupational dysfunction....The word "schizophrenia" was coined by Eugene Bleuler in 1908 to refer to the lack of interaction between thought processes and perception. Bleuler described the main symptoms as 4 "A"'s: flattened Affect,[which you seem to exhibit in your comments], Autism, impaired Association of ideas and Ambivalence [definitely that]. Bleuler realized that the illness was not a dementia as some of his patients improved rather than deteriorated and hence proposed the term schizophrenia instead. With the name "schizophrenia" Bleuler intended to capture the separation of function between personality, thinking, memory, and perception....Although the disorder is primarily thought to affect cognition, it also usually contributes to chronic problems with behavior and emotion....The term, however, is commonly misunderstood to mean that affected persons have a "split personality". Although some people diagnosed with schizophrenia may hear voices and may experience the voices as distinct personalities, schizophrenia does not involve a person changing among distinct multiple personalities. The confusion perhaps arises in part due to the meaning of Bleuler's term 'schizophrenia' (literally 'split' or 'shattered mind'). ...

...and picking up the pieces here and sharing them in a "looky here!" fashion is pretty much what the camaraderies on this blog are about at its best moments. At it's worse, we just yell at each other. However, we're typically tired of baiting each other at this point, so the ratio of broken record emotional gamesmanship to informed comment and learning experiences seems to have drastically shrank, thankfully. :-)

I'll take your own self-clinical observation on trust, since it seems to fit: anyone can see that the data mentioned above hardly exclusively comes from a single source. It comes from many different sources and you learn to weigh them against each other. However, that takes a bit of work on your own part, even (shock) collaboration.

You said you didn't read outside of a very limited field intentionally, though merely acting out your walls in a novel location is not the best use of reading here.

RI is sort of like AA I guess, where you introduce yourself and say "Hi there I'm me, I have skepticism that I'm not being told everything and I no longer want to posture that I already know everything, and I'm just looking for ideas on what the hell is going on." Then we toast, and buy you a drink--after all this isn't AA.

If you wish to remain the kind of person who dislikes challenging your assumptions or going against your own grain to even test them once you have made up your mind, then I don't think are using this blog, the world, or yourself to the fullest. Nor could you possibly understand what can really go on here, or in your own learning process.

Still in our Panglossian ideal world (and world of faked ideals to keep one's self-respect), you have a right to your stable opinion not being eroded or changed by any circumstance, like Pangloss, whether you believe it or not. However, I don't think anyone including yourself can possibly consider it an informed or well thought out opinion--or a method that allows you to derive one.

7/09/2007 09:03:00 PM  
Blogger Friend said...

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7/09/2007 11:18:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

I have to admit that Omni has been asking some tough questions. He asked me (out of the blue I'm thinking) if I'm a eugenicist and now (Mark) he wants to know what you're gonna do with that collection of dots?

I know it's not something you have to think about too hard. Are you in the camp that wants to reduce the world's population or not? Yes or NO..

If I were to be honest, I would have to preface my remark first. First and foremost, I'm a family man. Second, I'm the most isolated human being I know. This is my contact with my fellow man and that's about it I have tried living in the forest without human interaction and discovered that I'm not fit for that kind of life. I couldn't cut it as they say. I'm not sure if I could be a total isolationist and just have the internet or not but that would definitely be an improvement over cutting 16 cords of wood and no electricity to pass the time.

Eugenics is definitely on the horizon. If they can do chemtrails without public consultation, eugenics should come as no surprise.

It would be better to make an informed decision and that is exactly what Mark is all about. Get the facts and apply your observations to solve the problem.

Now, from my point of view, the public is being massaged into believing that their fellow man are idiots. My example would be how many adults are dressed up in costumes and demonstrating their stupidity to the world just so they can make a living in a tv commercial. When the PTB aren't making us cavemen or daisies, they are busy reporting the mother who microwaved her daughter or the daughter that murdered her entire family. Of course, these things are happening every day but these things are miniscule compared to the mundane lives the rest of us live.

At the same time my lifelong pursuit of paleontolgy, archeology geography and history remind me that there is lots of room and many avenues of exploration here on the planet. I have trouble denying anyone the opportunity of being a part of this mystery.

Eugenics is being practiced here and now and my passivity knows no bounds. Until we stop killing each other and stop killing period, we will never know what it's all about. I hope that answers your question.

7/10/2007 02:03:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

It is a good thing that I can read really fast, or that the material is familiar from many years ago.

IC, as you know I work as an upscale remodeler. I am The Alpha male in an Alpha male world. I am also quite bored by this, so my ‘projection’ has become low key with surprising expressions of absurdity and humor. My bosses warn or prep the customers for me. Segue... Look, we create value by getting tasks done with a certain level of quality. Some people create the perception of quality, using ethically suspect techniques, while others seek to bring substance to the form. All done within a business framework. I look to make money for my bosses every day, that is one of the reasons they put up with me.

Just yesterday, at the Monday morning meeting my boss related the dream of the night before. He was like in a car that was driving itself, after being in or on simpler vehicles before with the same feeling. Big smile as I say, ‘Well its right there... Your unconscious mind is telling that you are leaving it to it to drive the car, while it is saying.. Come on man, the conscious mind is supposed to be driving the car! (Then I muttered, oops shit, I maybe better shut up.) Well it’s funny for me anyway, so one more short story. The client asked me what I thought about the cabinets that I was installing. I told him that there were issues because the ‘boxes’ were not high quality. He was bummed as he heard me mumble, ‘Oh.sorry.. I have a disease.’ He is like, ‘What, what.’ To which I say, ‘Well... I tell the truth.’ He was very puzzled, but more careful about how he approached me later on. Anyway, I have certain liberties in what I can say because I back it up with what I get done.

Sorry if the proceeding seemed a bit indulgent. My original intention was deal with some of the fine points made on this thread, but the keyboard sometimes goes where it will, and it’s my birthday, and I guess I am being indulgent. So sue me.

7/10/2007 08:16:00 AM  
Blogger CuriosityShop said...

I continue to return to this blog because Jeff's writing and the comments that his writings inspire are just incredible.

You guys are all some of the smartest people I have ever met.

Mark you continue to amaze me with your depth of knowledge of Into the Maelstrom. By following some of your links, I continue to find a never ending entanglement of what the hell is really going on here?

I am a naive country bumpkin and now sit befuddled. Just found out that the super religious right guy who writes all the Left Behind stuff (the rapture is coming) was funded by Reverend Moon? And so was Jerry Falwell?

And Terrence McKenna and his Archaic Revival was funded by Laurence Rockefeller who is also behind most of the UFO studies.

What the hell is going on? Nothing is what it appears to be.

It is like a damn house of mirrors and people wearing masks. What the hell is real?

IC you continue to inspire me, you are a dreamer like me. And it does appear that reality is just like a dream. Everything is cloaked and means something else.

But what?

Nam-shub

Once upon a time, there was no snake, there was no scorpion,
There was no hyena, there was no lion,

There was no wild dog, no wolf,

There was no fear, no terror,

Man had no rival.



In those days, the land Shubur-Hamazi,

Harmony-tongued Sumer, the great land of the me of princeship,

Uri, the land having all that is appropriate,

The land Martu, resting in security,

The whole universe, the people well cared for,

To Enlil in one tongue gave speech.



Then the lord defiant, the prince defiant, the king defiant,

Enki, the lord of abundance, whose commands are trustworthy,

The lord of wisdom, who scans the land,

The leader of the gods,

The lord of Eridu, endowed with wisdom,

Changed the speech in their mouths, put contention into it,

Into the speech of man that had been one.





This is the nam-shub of Enki, translated from Sumerian cuneiform. It is two things: it is a story of linguistic disintegration, and it is an incantation which supposedly causes linguistic disintegration. To hear the tale is to lose the power of understanding speech. It tells of Enki, who "changed the speech" of the population to "put contention into it." This, of course, is similar in content to the Babel legend, where God disrupted the linguistic unity of the people in order to stop the Tower from being built.

I have quoted this from Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash (216-7). Stephenson obtained it from Samuel Noah Kramer and John R. Maier's Myths of Enki, the Crafty God (New York, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1989.) In Snow Crash, a sinister industrialist has obtained and translated ancient nam-shubs and is using them to wreak linguistic havoc in the modern world.

The nam-shubs suggest a magical theory of language, in which the only kind of utterance that can cause the breakdown of language is one which also happens to talk about the breakdown of language. In other words, the surface meaning of the incantation is crucial to its deep effect.

Why? Some indication can be found in Hofstader's discussion of the USE-MENTION dichotomy in information theory.

I find it curious that many stories about lethal texts and/or linguistic viruses invoke ancient mythology, as if the ancients knew things about language which have been forgotten in the modern world. Snow Crash posits that Sumerian nam-shubs are being used to wreak linguistic havoc in the modern world. Macroscope has a character who has the "gift of tongues," and takes its protagonist, Ivo Archer, back to Mesopotamian times. Julian Jaynes, in The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind, posits that new kind of "unicameral" consciousness swept like a virus through the ancient world, destroying what had been a kind of Edenic innocence, and cites, as evidence, Sumerian inscriptions which sound much like nam-shubs

7/10/2007 08:31:00 AM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Yes, quite a provocative blog.

I will take a vote, all who say that I should never come back say “aye.” all who say, who knows, I could be more of an asset than you would ever suspect (admit), say “neh.”

Obviously Mark is reluctant to find my “tough” and, some would say, essential questions worthy of an answer. Others, ericswan included, have graciously bestowed a reassurance that I demand from all e-communicators, one not absolute unfortunately, but at least the best remote reassurance can be; eric merely defended himself and said that yes, eugenisists are to be feared and my question as to whether or not eric was one, IN REPLY TO ERICSWAN’s INITIAL SHOOTING DOWN OF MY AND IC’s TALK ABOUT DRUG LAWS, SAYING I WAS PUSHING DRUGS, was “no, absolutely not.” HOLY S**T!!!!!!!! You guys started the severe accusations. I admit my original post said that some people on this post were not replying to Jeff at all, but in reality using Jeff’s fame to grind their own axe. Every one of my posts has an undercurrent of the motive to see through all of the smoke and mirrors, so I stand, still innocent of my original horribly cruel “accusation.”

Not to assume you are one Mark, but disinformation people always jump to the accusations and severe divide-and-conquer strategy. COINTELRO much, Mark? After a few years online (enough time to catch the attention of infiltrators), we (sorry, you—I have no seniority) here at RI are at an impasse, a crossroads one might suggest. If I call Mark an A-hole for calling me schizophrenic, a tactic used most efficiently by folks like the deriders of McMartin, then everyone else has to take sides. I don’t want to lose, knowing that seniority is sometimes superior to other, newer things. So I won’t go join Judy Johnson yet and “have [that one too many] drink[s] on [you]” just yet. I will instead ask the other posters, including Jeff, if I should ever post here again after having viciously all but committed Mark and ericswan to a mental institution with no due processs.

Also, I will apologize for offending Mark, though I said nothing that was directly and unmistakably confrontational like he has now done officially. I suggested frustration with “gullible souls,” who can be sucked into wild-goose chases of history. All I am saying is that I would be more interested to find out another reality to avoid, like fluoride in the pineal gland causing precocious puberty in rats, than lists of names, like Mark offered in his last post, names merely connected to physical realities that hurt. I want to learn more physical realities to steer clear of, not names of men I will never judge as a supreme court justice, okay? Seriously, is that okay, Mark? I am not trying to dictate what you can write Mark, just holding you to a higher standard. It is doubtless you are, seasoned, well-read, and intelligent. I will not argue with anyone who says so. It’s just that, yeah, yeah, yeah, Skull and Bonesmen, I can go to Infowars and listen to the severly biased views of Alex J.—who chastised Bush for kissing another man because it was “like, European.”

Mark, you have a right to look in any material you want to and draw whatever lines you like. I am just suggesting (asking in my own way that assumes we are all adults here) if you can understand my point of view of the futility of certain kinds of “knowledge”

I have to disagree with you about the lack of discipline. I have been pacing myself in an extremely harsh environment for many years. I have become a virtuoso musician (so I am told by all who hear my music). I have gifts that inspire children to do miracles. What do you have? And don’t tell me names and dates. I get confused with all of the cross-referencing, being a fuzzy-minded schizophrenic and all.

I tell you what Mark, either we can agree to disagree and I will skip over the things in your posts that make me yawn, or we can wage a full scale war here until Jeff or some majority kicks me out. What would you rather do?

7/10/2007 10:35:00 AM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Yep, I once wondered about chemtrails too, until one day I called a local TV station, risking being blacklisted I might add, and asked what the due point was at 10,000, 15,000 and 20,000 feet. I needed to know because I had just seen a jet leaving that conspicuously opaque whit s**t, a jet that couldn’t have been more than 12,000 feet (I could make out the color [silver] and it looked about three times as large as commercial panes I see flying at cruising altitude. I know, being a schizophrenic, that it is impossible for water to condense if the relative humidity is below 100% at a certain pressure and temperature. Well my friendly local meteorologist told me at the time I had called that the due point was above the temperature at all three altitudes. Now, I could go on with names, dates, patents, etc, but I am done. Chemtrails exist.

Now, the question is, what are they? Until the jackasses at Chemtrail Central get themselves a gas chromatographer, I don’t want to hear anything else. I don’t have the money for a 10,000 piece of equipment, but if I had it, I could find out what molecules are in my city’s atmosphere and then interpolate their origin with my schizophrenic powers. Any that have no origin in the pollution stream that originates downwind and whose most abundant counts coincide with heavy chemtrails would be suspect. Then I would be convinced of what they are. All I hear from Chemtrail Central is crap about DNA poisoning by the Skull and Bonesmen to create a super race of reptiles. Yawn. Until I can glean what the physical reality is, I will be suspect of any names and dates. Yeah, I know a patent was supposedly applied for in 1993 for cloud seeding with aluminum oxide. I know another was gotten for some goop that renders hurricanes a glob of falling ooze (which obviously worked well in New Orleans). I still don’t know what I am breathing in on a daily basis.

7/10/2007 11:00:00 AM  
Blogger omnimental said...

godamit, I meant "dew point!" ha ha.

BTW the last post was in response to this quote of eric:

It would be better to make an informed decision and that is exactly what Mark is all about.

See my closed case on chemtrails.

7/10/2007 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Movie Girl,

Likewise. You actually provided one of the most important links in my cosmology when you wrote that Sound of Music suite. I had read Tolkien’s account of Eru singing the world into existence many times—it’s also my kids’ favorite creation story—but the idea of a material dimension of this act lay dormant in my subconscious all these years until you awakened it.

The artificial beacon, fed with the oil of learning, so proudly held aloft by modern science, is flickering; and many great minds are rebelling against the darkness in which it has plunged the mysteries it sought in vain to unravel. The Popery of scientific authority must have its downfall now that researchers after knowledge are making a stand and contending their right to think for themselves, instead of allowing dogmatic science to decide for them. (from THE VEIL WITHDRAWN )

Remember that Variable Speed of Light theory? Well, VSL (along with a few other notions which chafe under the constraints of the Orthodoxy) has stirred up enough resentment and initiative among those scientists who care more about learning than politics and paychecks to provide a surprising base of support for the new Declaration of Academic Freedom. From educated guesses among those involved in such pursuits, there are between 2 and 3 thousand independent researchers around the world at any given time working to unlock the fundamental principles of creation. Radiant energy. Transmutation of elements.


Sure, there’s an embargo in place. The skeptics cling with willful abandon to the confines of entropy in the Dead Universe theory, holding up Newton’s static laws like crucifixes to ward off the truth of the Life Force. “There can be no energy created ex nihilo!” they shriek, when the truth is both more subtle and obvious than their reasoning. That inescapable, unavoidable truth is that there is no such thing as a closed system. It’s an artificial construct within which the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics--the conservation of energy--does operate, but it tells us nothing about the world outside.

That’s why we have the Steorn spectacle—to quiet the rising tide of hungry minds. The skeptics think it’s a hoax put out by those who want to put entropy in its glass case so we can get on with the business of Life. They chuckle knowingly about the popular “delusion” that there’s some sort of oil industry cabal controlling politics and the economy and suppressing free energy technology. Ha, ha.

What these knowledgeable persons do not suspect is that the oily free marketers might be the ones behind the hoax. What the Oily Ones don’t know (if my guess is correct and they’re the motive force behind this charade) is that opening up a discussion they fear is a Pandora’s box that they won’t be able to close as easily as they hope.

Truth resonates.

You compliment us here for our brightness and our ideas, which is kind and affirming, but you must also know that we’re only conductors, conduits and bells. Ideas, like energy, always come from somewhere. Intuition and flashes of insight are typically described as being heaven-sent. Whatever they’re origin, the ideas come from outside us, and this is very, very important.

In my own experience, whenever I had a difficult problem to solve as a designer, the breakthrough always followed the same pattern. I’d run into a brick wall—no way around it, no conventional solution. After looking at it from every angle I could think of (greatly aided by the ability to rotate computer generated imagery, btw), I’d leave it alone, go home, play with the kids, eat dinner, get them into bed and then go out on the balcony to smoke some rope and talk to the stars. Every single time—no exceptions, no failures—the solution would come completely formed into my mind.

I always looked up. And said, “Thanks!”

If we live in a Sympathetic Vibratory Universe, then we’re all vessels which can resonate at different frequencies. We wouldn’t recognize harmony if the universe were chaotic…which is not to say that there isn’t also discord. Melkor’s song. HAARP & ELF. These, however, are aberrations, abominations. Ilúvatar had the skill and the power to weave harmonies to bind these discords, subsume and transmute them from dissonance into assonance…and eventually harmony again.

We can do the same thing: we know the frequencies.

I had a friend who worked in noise abatement at Boeing. Now he does sound & light engineering. He says he sometimes isn’t sure where the line between those wavelengths is.

Let’s oscillate. Some more.

(Omni & Mark are not polarities, either, any more than Richard and I were during the endless Nature of Nature Wars; perspectives rub like continents, and after all the quaking is done, things settle in again, as they always do.)

Oh, yeah--quite right about those doorway drugs, ericswan. It's just a flimsy portal in the end. Better to get "there" without 'em, but they do come in handy once in a while.

Omni,

Why are you disinviting yourself? And how do you close cases, anyway?

7/10/2007 01:35:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Oh no! Once we all start to agree it get's awfully quiet.

Some various comments:

CuriosityShop said:

"By following some of your links, I continue to find a never ending entanglement of what the hell is really going on here?"

It's a strange feeling. You're welcome and I'm sorry all at once. :-) Happy you find it useful, though sad you find it as utterly deplorable and shocking as I do. Particularly since it is so easy to follow these people.

Maybe another link for you? You're in Arkansas, right? What do they say about the history of Albert Pike in your state, since he was the unofficial king of (my term) Grand Dutchy of the Scottish Rite of Arkansas/Tennessee, immediately after the Civil War? A bit about the occult KKK for you.

More in this book about Arkansas and some strange goings on:

Shadow of the Sentinel: One Man's Quest to Find the Hidden Treasure of the Confederacy by Warren Getler and Bob Brewer (2003)

Conspiracy connoisseurs tired of contemplating whether Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone will feast on this tale of the 19th-century doings of the Knights of the Golden Circle. According to treasure hunter Brewer (aided by [of all people!] Bloomberg News editor-at-large Getler), who attempts to unravel their secrets in hopes of finding millions of dollars of hidden gold, the [Scottish Rite proxy] KGC was a sinister group of influential Southerners intent on engineering the secession of Southern states [and of course disrupting the north simultaneously during the Civil War]. They supposedly conspired to split the 1860 Democratic convention so that a weak candidate would emerge, guaranteeing Lincoln's election and support for secession--a deep game indeed. [The deeper game is further elaborated by the Treason in America book I linked to above.] Losing the Civil War sent them underground, where, the authors say, political theorist and KGC member Jesse James, whose death they faked, led them to amass a fortune primarily through the pedestrian crimes of bank and stagecoach robbery and, more creatively, by collecting a multimillion-dollar award from Mexican Emperor Maximilian as repayment for aiding Maximilian's tottering regime. They hid their treasure, preserving knowledge of its whereabouts through a series of devilishly complex symbols known only to initiates for the day the South would rise again. Brewer believes some of his relatives were "sentinels" charged with protecting the KGC's hidden treasure. As fanciful as the group's history sounds (and the authors admit it is heavily based on circumstantial evidence) [though they did find gold stashes], Brewer is convincing that the code existed and that he deciphered some of it, and his treasure hunting meets with modest success. In the end, this is a curiosity that will strain many readers' credibility, but leave a lingering "Maybe." Photos, maps.
2003 Reed Business Information, Inc.

From Booklist
Buried treasure! Secret societies! The South shall rise again! Yes, all the red-blooded elements of a boy's adventure story crowd this tale, except that, tall as it is, it purports to be true. While growing up in the 1950s, Brewer learned at his grandpa's knee that rebels cached gold in the Ouachita Mountains of Arkansas to finance round two of the Civil War. After a career in the navy, Brewer dedicated himself to pursuing the story, written up here by reporter Getler. This exceedingly recondite story involves Scottish Rite Freemasonry, codes, cabalistic carvings on trees, Jesse James, a furtive entity called Knights of the Golden Circle, and a helluva lot of speculation. Still, Brewer is convinced the Confederacy's hidden treasury is still out there waiting to be dug up; alas, he unwisely confided one location to a rogue who allegedly absconded with the multimillion-dollar rebel stash. But Brewer perseveres, secret maps in hand, searching in, aptly enough, Arizona's Superstition Mountains.



Omni says:

"Obviously Mark is reluctant to find my “tough” and, some would say, essential questions worthy of an answer."

What was it? What do I do with "my dot collection", is that it? Well, keep reading, and I would gently say you just don't follow links to learn yourself everything was already answered two clicks away to my profile, then to my book and other related projects. We are not really that different, as IC noted above.

Omni once more:

"Not to assume you are one Mark, but disinformation people always jump to the accusations and severe divide-and-conquer strategy."

No, I tend to assume that the people who bring it up are so. :-) Touche. Actually, I (and others) bait Jeff all the time though it's for his, as we argue, artificial divisiveness over the controlled demolition evidence, which he continues to pretend it is somehow a zero sum game that draws attention away from 'separate areas' (sic) of 9-11 research, instead of mutually reinforces it. Controlled demolition is not mutually exclusive 9-11 evidence.

Omni:

"All I am saying is that I would be more interested to find out another reality to avoid, like fluoride in the pineal gland causing precocious puberty in rats,...,"

go get Vibed, perhaps?

VIBE Machine Interview With Gene Koonce
Interview with the inventor of the VIBE Machine in Greeley, Colorado.
From: Dekertek
Views: 14,931
Added: 1 year ago
Time: 18:33

or build your own sustainable watershed, perhaps?

"...than lists of names, like Mark offered in his last post, names merely connected to physical realities that hurt. I want to learn more physical realities to steer clear of,..."

Once more follow the links. :-) We're not so different on that point at all. I was merely being clinical, and like a doctor, I'm not merely interested in detailing a picture of the disease...

Omni:

"Mark, you have a right to look in any material you want to and draw whatever lines you like. I am just suggesting (asking in my own way that assumes we are all adults here) if you can understand my point of view of the futility of certain kinds of “knowledge”..."

Well, I don't obviously agree, though it's not a personal disagreement. I don't think any level of knowledge is futile or pointless. Knowledge can bring responsibility, a well as help formulate more appropriate responses. What I do think is futile and pointless is attempting to think without any data at hand.

It helps, one the one hand, as Eric said, to make a more informed decision merely for the "secondary immune avoidance sense" it provides, a negative sense of what to avoid since nowadays the above aids in avoiding pre-canned social movements clientelistically steered by elites.

Hopefully that is of course toward gaining a little intellectual distance for a better positive and proactive sense at the same moment, as well--on what are your own priorities instead of what Wolf Biltzer's priorities are steering you to react to. (nice clip of The Wolfman and Michael Moore having a verbal battle.)

Additionally, in that "positive" sense, yes, follow the links here and here for more what I am about. I'm not only interested in how fast I can race to the nadir of human corruption without coming up for air. As I said, I have a rather clinical eye when it comes to this. I poke and prod the rot. It's like analyzing a patient, particularly so since solving such corruptions and how to potentially interrupt such elite clientelism (both materially and ideologically) is more my line actually--as I think IC would attest to. (Where's a notary public when you want one. By the way IC, when I contacted Dave West recently, guess what the first thing out of his email mouth was? "You're that guy that IC talks about.." he he Small world, eh? And thanks for your publicist work.)


Omni:

"I have to disagree with you about the lack of discipline. I have been pacing myself in an extremely harsh environment for many years. I have become a virtuoso musician (so I am told by all who hear my music)."

OK. I apologize. We obviously don't know each other from simply textual missives. What I said was only of course limited to what you said about that particular issue only. It was not indented as a claim beyond that, that so I'm sorry. What I read in that, that made me say that, was your "I don't want to know and I know it already" sort of assumption that didn't make much sense. Schizophrenic was your word not mine. I attempted to point out that it's not really what I think you meant by the term (in split personality), when it instead accords to a splintered view of lack of integration, reaction, emotion, behavior, etc.

Omni:

"I tell you what Mark, either we can agree to disagree and I will skip over the things in your posts that make me yawn, or we can wage a full scale war here until Jeff or some majority kicks me out. What would you rather do?"

No one is going to kick you out. Not me at least. Actually, I kind of miss the unregistered days at RI, since it was more like what I imagined Warhol's factory would have been like pre-Valerie Solanis of course. It's still quite a Warhol factory nevertheless come to think of it. For instance, just look at the picture you chose for your avatar. What is that, scrapie?

Omni:

"Chemtrails exist. Now, the question is, what are they? Until the jackasses at Chemtrail Central get themselves a gas chromatographer, I don’t want to hear anything else. I don’t have the money for a 10,000 piece of equipment, but if I had it, I could find out what molecules are in my city’s atmosphere...

Well, people have asked the questions you have asked before.

link for two PDFS, two page summary fliers: timeline on chemtrails and some admittals

Omni:

"Yeah, I know a patent was supposedly applied for..."

Welsbach patent: Cloud seeding 1993 against global warming with 10 micron aluminum oxide. Though it starts way earlier than that 'geoengineering' Welsbach patent...

Title: A Partial History of Aerosol and Weather Related Technologies
Author: seektress
Date: 2004.10.27 06:00
Description: Gets really interesting after 1980 or so...THE NUMBERS ARE US PATENT NUMBERS. THIS IS JUST THE UNCLASSIFIED STUFF...NOT THE SCALAR STUFF LIKE IS INSTALLED AT PLAYAS NEW MEXICO AND ELSEWHERE...


...though that one seems the current iteration (though strangely not in the above list though mentioned all over the web and in that PDF flyer), given the aluminum oxide 10 micron discovered just like the patent. More:

1.

Title: Research: Chemtrails And Terror In The Age Of Nuclear War, 7 Years Running....Overview
Author: Idaho Observer
Date: 2004.06.08 07:45
Description: North America is now suffering its seventh year of conspicuous and dangerous aerosol and electromagnetic operations conducted by the U.S. government under the guise of national security. Concerned citizens watch in fear as military tankers discolor the skies with toxic chemicals that morph into synthetic clouds. We continually witness bizarre meteorological occurrences as powerful electromagnetic devices manipulate both the jet stream and individual storm fronts to create artificial weather and climatic conditions. Black operations projects embedded within these aerosol missions are documented to sicken and disorient select populations with biological test agents and psychotronic mind/mood control technologies. Part of what is happening in the atmosphere above us involves the Pentagon's secret space weapons program, designed for strategic, operational and tactical levels of war... Left to gather clues, we know this much so far:

2.

GLOBAL CHEMTRAILS data observation/analysis study done OVER USA & CENTRAL EUROPE: a report
author: repost
...the Combat Diaries team have conducted a special investigation of chemtrails....With the help of specialists (SOME EX-ROYAL AIR FORCE), a 16 HOUR PERIOD OF OBSERVATION BY WEB, TELEPHONE, AND AMATEUR RADIO of the skies over AMERICA AND CENTRAL EUROPE, from FIRST LIGHT TO LAST LIGHT. The results were quite disturbing. --- It was obvious that simultaneous operation by large numbers of quite visible aircraft were being mounted over continental areas on both sides of the Atlantic. Thus we concluded that chemtrails represent a continuous operation of incredible magnitude. --- THE AIRCRAFT, AN UNKNOWN ILLEGALLY UNMARKED MODEL OF PLANE, TRAVELLING TYPICALLY 3 TIMES AS FAST AS COMMERCIAL JETS: The aircraft involved show remarkably similar characteristic and performance, though their profile we have yet to find in any book of aircraft recognition. Roughly, they resemble in shape and size the Boeing 757 but carried no markings. This is remarkable in itself, because technically it is illegal. They were doing approximately the same speed at the same height. The speed was steady, quite precisely maintained, being 1200-1400 mph--somewhat high for an outmoded passenger aircraft-type meant for inland short/medium range commuter flights at a top speed of 450 mph! They were travelling at speeds equivalent to combat speed of F16 or Typhoon Euro-fighter. --- NUMBER/SCALE: the sheer number of pseudo 757-type aircraft is beyond belief. On this chosen sample day, our reporters in France, Germany and Holland, Spain, Italy and Israel alone reported at noon the sky trails of no less that 234 almost identical aircraft at between 40-50,000 feet. Hourly rate continued during the day it represented some 2340 SORTIES OVER TEN HOURS (just in their sample geographic range only).

3.

Title: ITALIANS Concerned Over Chemtrails Come to N.Amer. looking for Answers/Allies
Author: William Thomas
Date: 2005.07.07 12:18
Description: Concerned countrymen have dispatched two Italian filmmakers to document chemtrails on the other side of the Atlantic. After flying in from Rome earlier this week, Vincent Gambino and Duccio Benvenuti interviewed the author – and were interviewed in turn at his island hideout. --- Vincent related how a protest last year among airport workers at Fiumicino received prominent media coverage in Italy, after a USAF tanker Vincent referred to as another “famous white plane” landed and taxied to a cordoned off section of Rome’s big international airport. “No one was allowed close for two or three days,” Vincent recalls. Airport workers were angry at the secrecy surrounding the white American air force plane, he said, and the fact that they “couldn’t do their jobs.” --- Working closely with Nexus Italy, Vincent has been investigating chemtrails since becoming aware of them fouling Italy’s skies two years ago. Hoping to spur awareness and action across a country intensely interested in information overlooked or censored by the mainstream press, the two filmmakers are producing a one-hour documentary on chemtrails for Italian audiences.

And everything except chemtrails made it into this little film:

Et quoi maintenant, pour les humains?
Les Humains
4:13
(music/animation intermission; do them the favor to watch it in the larger full screen format, much better; so rarely do you see hard worked cinema anymore, instead of just film...)

7/10/2007 02:33:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Everyone said:
Hey Omni, don't worry (or something like that) and Mark even said, "sorry."

Well ha, I knew I was right....nooooooha, ha haha. Just kidding. I really appreciate the honesty, directness, and kindness. Tell you what though, honestly I'm a little embarrassed but will just the same try to respond to each of your points briefly.

Aha, Welsbach Mark reminded me. Yep, I remember now.

No I am not a disinfo guy. My whole impetus on the web, and I just started (not, writing, but on the web) is to come up with a comprehensive list as to every PSYOPS technique that we are exposed to in every layer of the media onion.

On the "Names and Dates" topic, I do know that research is necessary to make educated guesses and come to downright rigorously intuitive conclusions that are as good as any other proof. I think, for instance, which is what lead me to this site, David McGowan's 154 citings for his mere approx 40 page article The Pedophocracy is very impressive and just the kind of research that needs to be done to convince people who are sure to cite FMSF or something in defense of a bold, unbacked statement. I know nothing about David McGowan though, other than I know he posted here a couple times cause I read his posts, and that someone on this thread said something about his being in with the Infowars crowd (oh brother, not him too). Anyway, just an example, and a good one since it is about a salient topic that begs for disagreement.

Also, I do know what Schizophrenia is. I have been accused of it more than once. I have witnessed things in my life that few would believe and NONE would admit. When I speak of them in the wrong company, well, you know the rest...but I'll say it anyway: they imply I have delusions of grandeur since I think "I'm so important," and that I have paranoid delusions as well. Typical derision, but common if one travels in the wrong circles. Besides, schizos, all 5 or 6 forms, are all characterized by fuzzy thinking and jumbled, nonsequential reasoning, etc. I assure you, my mind can draw complex conclusions and is not easily confused and distracted, just beleive me if you would. I don't go off on any more "tangents" than any other associative thinker. I will try to "prove it" on any further posts I publish here or elsewhere.

Almost lastly, Mark, Yeah, that picture of "me" on my "dashboard" pretty much sums it up, I'm not sure what, but it sums up something.

Then...

IC said:

"Oh, yeah--quite right about those doorway drugs, ericswan. It's just a flimsy portal in the end. Better to get "there" without 'em, but they do come in handy once in a while."

to which I respond, "yeah especially when about three or four of your essential human needs are not being met. Otherwise, kids, don't do drugs!!!"

but IC had also said:
"Omni,

Why are you disinviting yourself? And how do you close cases, anyway?"

To which I now also respond:
No, I wasn't disinviting myself. I was truly serious. If I am not wanted by a very vocal minority or by a majority then why push it. I just wanted to know and you told me. I'll continue doing homework and posting info as I see fit. I will discontinue my grinding of the PSYOPS axe...for now...but it just gets my friggin goat, ya know.

That shit about the ELF and ULF are scary. I mean s**t, mood altering EMs. F**k, s**t, p**s!!! I don't want any, thank you.

I wrote a position paper on ELFs and how a very large amount of research points to ELFs (between 10 and 300 Hz) have physical effects. ever heard of Neil Cherry from Australia. He spoke at the European Union's something or other. Took issue with ICNiRP and one Michael Repacholi.

See here, here, here, here, and here

Just think, this is just what sitting next to our PCs is doing to us. (Not to scare, to inform btw.)

Thanks again for the apologies and reassurance. Peace : > }>#

7/10/2007 04:53:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Omni, a couple of tips if you don’t mind. Check out some of the earlier blog dialogues. You will see that sometimes things can get wild, wooly and rude. So these folk can take a (rhetorical?) black eye, and as we see that you can also, you are welcome to say whatever you wish. Except for; “you are a disinfo agent”, (or even I am not a disinfo agent.) Jeff has smartly requested that this (meaningless) device not be used. Also... lets see, how can I say this with subtlety? I cannot, ok anyway..Being intelligent is no cure for stupidity. See smart people are open to more inputs than less aware (industrious?) folk. But they still use the same limiting systems (science and religion) for processing their perceptions into conceptions as all the other dim wits use. They simply do it better and become ‘leaders in their field’ (repressing inappropriate questions), or malcontents as they realize that they are still having issues integrating sub-conscious material into a conscious model.

Not to bore everyone else here, but I suggest the need for new ways to recognize correspondences between categories so that the form more naturally displays its substance.

Click on my name omni, and let me know what you think.

On edit, morning post: In my bosses dream the car was not being controlled, rather than driving itself as I said.

7/10/2007 10:01:00 PM  
Blogger muddy elephant said...

Hey all, I would just like to second what CuriosityShop said:

"I continue to return to this blog because Jeff's writing and the comments that his writings inspire are just incredible.

You guys are all some of the smartest people I have ever met.
"

Someday if I get the time and money I'd like to fund a "meta-sociological" think-tank. This blog and its commentary represents the first talent pool I would recruit from.

Here's a link y'all might enjoy about what the future of media may hold:

2014
(8 minutes long)

and Happy B-day sounder.

7/10/2007 11:10:00 PM  
Blogger acl said...

Hey thanks for that reminder Sounder. I'd read your blogs before and thought they were a great start but since you weren't updating them much I sort of lost track of them.

Kudos

7/11/2007 07:09:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Omni..I will be interested to see how you "show us a sign" that you emanate from the one true God with whatever that message is that you carry. It' a hard, it's a hard...

7/11/2007 07:53:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Mark..again, you've out duelled any other research I've seen on a subject and this time, it's on chemtrails. It's a kudo you deserve as I've been investigating this subject and photographically documenting for a few years. I've always been aware that HAARP and Tesla tech have been causing earthquakes and other phenomena for decades but through all that time, never noticed the chemtrails until relatively recently.

I wonder if you have a "folder" on all the trees that are dieing off species by species? The Dutch Elm disease is old had compared to what is happening this year. Apparently, MLB has discovered that the ash is dieing off my the millions in the U.S. due to a Chinese beetle, pines going down by the billions here in B.C. with a crooked path that fingers global warming but is actually HF, the Spruce bud worm cleaning up another huge swathe and then of course, corporate assault on everything else. Something is ticking in the back of my mind of an ancient prophecy that when the trees go down,...)?

I've also heard the suggestion that chemtrails are speeding up the global warming process to facilitate a land grab in the Arctic.

IC.. I would beg to differ on your allegation that drugs are a "door" as speculated by Huxley and his ilk. More like a window and it's very smudgey with all the kids and their noses pressed up against the glass.

7/11/2007 08:07:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Omni, here is my quick take on the vapid secrets of the elite’s. The grand psyop that we all play on each other is in our acquiesce to a false initial premise (dualism). Whereas the elite’s know that causality extends into the implicate via directing of conscious focus, they sell to us peons any programs and systems that either limit causality to gross expressions or to some claims about what god or guru says. The elite’s know that oppressive expressions of order will call forth-misguided dreams of liberty. So they pump the negative polarity (reactive mind) and skim the cash as different elements of society oscillate between accepting authority and rebelling from authority.

My two cents. Peace.


Thanks middleworld, acl and everybody else.

acl, It appears that there are more things for me to learn about starting conversations. While I like my ideas I do not like feeling like a preacher. So I still prefer hearing where others are at, (rather than showing off my immense intellectual prowess.)

(That is humor. The direction of our focus has greater causal impact than do fancy intellectual constructs, and both are handicapped by obedience to an incorrect initial premise.)

7/11/2007 08:10:00 AM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Sounder said:
“Click on my name.”

I read the latest post from July 27. Honestly, the academic exercise of the puzzle and the dissection of analogy is a little…I don’t know. And for science to be painted with this broad brush by this guy (“Hauer” is it?). I find it a little simplistic. However, the search for a new paradigm is so obviously essential that it should probably be talked about a lot more often. Keep going on that.

As a professor once told me who used to work in a very large corporation, most of the “science done in real industry is witchcraft and majick,” meaning that the science that gets stuff done at NASA and at the Pentagon is totally different than the “scientific method” employed by anyone in certain less connected research depts. of universities. When global “elites” get together and NEED a solution, they employ a system based only roughly on the three not-necessarily-sequential methods of the scientific method. They then try many different things until they get “it” to work. Sure there is an initial hypothesis, but they have the endless resources to try about 100 of them at a time and choose from the best results.

Also, there is the science of academia, the so-called peer-reviewed journals, which totally suppresses any discoveries and gestalt type connections found in the natural world and anything that threatens mass control. This is another area of “science” the information arm of the Pentagon and such.

In other words, science, like anything else, is a continuum: there are many forms. To me it has been obvious that real science and awareness of the real giant continuum is being practiced, but only by a few radicals and then on a huge scale by the giants of industry. To be successful, they need to know as much about reality as possible. When they find out, they classify it and use it only to their advantage.

It is interesting though, even providential perhaps, that last night I happened to pick up a book by Carol Quigley (of Tragedy and Hope fame) called The Evolution of Civilizations. In it, he addresses my somewhat mutually agreed upon issue with Mark, discussing how history must employ analysis rather than just what most historians in academia choose to focus on, which are the same old perspectives that were chosen by the first people who wrote on each subject in conventional history, certain very specific perspectives out of an infinite choice of perspectives. By no means am I suggesting that Mark, writing a thorough history of the Skull and Bones society, is one of these tight-*ssed academicians, but I am just saying that in particular, the first few chapters of this book are surely worth the read since they, for me at least, put to rest (for a while) my insecurities about history. He discusses at length the scientific method and how it should be used in the social sciences as well as the natural sciences—gives very good reasons. He suggests that there are common motivations in groups and societies and therefore, though taboo in academia, one must draw on these to make conclusions about their actions even when no “evidence” (like photographs placing the Romans at the scene of the crime, for an example) exists. The only way to find a useful history is to examine using the scientific method, Occam’s razor, drawing on current understanding of human nature, group nature, history, and inference.

Quigley was the author of Tragedy and Hope. In it, he exposes the Federal Reserve scam, the Round Table group, and several other “historical” “facts.” Being a Georgetown professor of International Relations leaves him in question somewhat, but if it wasn’t for the book None Dare Call it Conspiracy by ex-Department of Agriculture head Gary Allen which used Quigley’s Tragedy extensively as a source I might still be worrying about when I was going to finally be abducted by aliens for the first time, I mean really worried.

If you can get this book Evolution, it is worth it, although he too goes into these long analogies that sort of baby the reader on occasion.

Sounder:
You also mentioned a quick solution to the psyops. Well, Jeff, in the last paragraph of his said he suggested that by us not adopting their meanings, we can disempower them and empower us. Well my project WILL focus on how to identify ALL of those meanings and subsequently avoid them so that we can be the “sorcerers;” surely we are not all immune to being led down false allies at least on rare occasions. Read my last two blogs on my page “Casuistry…” for a couple of simple, yet common, examples. One is how people know that the Soviet Union was set up by MegaCorp as an enemy, and how those same people can believe, and then repeat to others, that MKULTRA was for the purpose of catching up with the Russians. This is akin to saying the Beast of Revelations is struggling, in his delusional, feeble-minded state, to catch up to himself. You must know that there are countless tactics used in PSYOPS evidenced by your awareness of the “dualism,” which Quigley, incidentally also goes into and how

elite’s know that oppressive expressions of order will call forth-misguided dreams of libert. So they pump the negative polarity (reactive mind) and skim the cash as different elements of society oscillate between accepting authority and rebelling from authority.

It is my feeling that a good breakdown of these tactics, an accurate articulation, is quintessential for those of us seeking information. I know that many here know many of them, but have they written them down for quick reference? Do they have a concrete train of thought that can systematically defend against the morass? If they have this comprehensive list of PSYOPS manuals, please, send me a copy. I could use one for sure.

7/11/2007 11:31:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Hey Folks!

This message might seem unconnected to this arm of the spiral conversation unwinding here, but trust me on this one: it is!

Here's what happened. As some of you know, I've been working on the Pythagorean approach to sustainability and free energy--recognizing the patterns inherent in Nature in order to copy them. (Basing our architecture and out technology on what's called the Platonic Solids in Nature--Schauberger's "kapieren & kopieren".)

Well, I just received a tremendous shock, a mind-blowing revelation of the first magnitude from Drew Hempel. Now, some of you might remember me talking about Drew before--he's a philosopher's stone in the tradition of our friend Sounder and has written some very, very good stuff on the nature and importance of the categories we employ in our understanding of the world.

This morning I found an email from Drew in my inbox that contained a mindbomb. From my cursory read of the intro to his latest anti-copyrighted "blogbook," it seems that I might have been furthering the agenda of the Matrix, or at least developing parallel ideation.

I'm shaken.

I just wondered yesterday whether Woolsey's TAI and the elite's COR could be trusted to betray their constituencies in their currently advertised pursuits of decentralized energy production and biomimicry...I'm not sure I understand how this has come about, since I've only just started Drew's Mothership, but it's entirely possible that I have been somehow working to promote an agenda begun by groups I loathe.

Aargh!

Well, maybe there are further twists in the story. In fact, I'm sure there are. Questions abound. How exactly would the Matrix benefit from local autonomy and freedom from want in the mass aggregate? How can free energy be good for them (the Bad Guys, the monopolists...)?!

You guys make up your own minds. I'm getting back to this thing. It's called When the Mothership Lands: Secrets of the CIA’s Psi-Plasma Vortex, by Drew Hempel, MA . Here's a sample:



Another psi-plasma vortex example (CIA mind controller Dr. Andrija Puharich’s term) is Brian Greene and Jean Charon’s contention that electrons are created out of mini-black holes, which explains the 720 degree electron spin of relativistic quantum mechanics. Another “music logarithmic spiral” example is that the brain actually runs by quantum chaos sound-waves: “A Shocking Idea: Nerves Might Run on Sound, Not Electricity,” WIRED Brandon Keim, 06.11.07.

The actual Matrix plan has recently resurfaced, indirectly, in such technospiritual books as John Casti’s One True Platonic Heaven (2003) and George Johnson’s Fire in the Mind (1996) — both science writers are in Santa Fe and work with the top military-science quantum chaos think tanks: Los Alamos, Santa Fe Institute and Sandia Labs. Professor Ralph Abraham is another quantum chaos mathematician who has promoted the techno-spirituality of machines. Abraham emphasizes that the early pivotal scientist Kepler transferred Pythagorean harmonics of the Soul into magnitude as Force. Just as Kepler, Newton and Galileo relied on Pythagorean harmonics, so too is all of science unified by music as a model. Several analysts advocate using music to provide the formal language of science: Nobel physicist Brian Josephson, Professor Arnold Pacey, Dr. Howard Bloom, NY Times science writer Edward Rothstein, and quantum chaos Professor Alain Connes, among others.


Help!


(Mark, you're quite welcome. I've been wanting to get you in touch with Dave and a few other people interested in the possibility of doing something about the suppression of chemurgy and the monopoly of the raw materials regime for a long time. Some kind of momentum seems to be building, finally. More anon...)

Omni & Sounder,

That Mothership thing will also be of interest to you, judging by where your discussion is going.

7/11/2007 02:03:00 PM  
Blogger muddy elephant said...

Jeff:

Though I'd at least mention the Toynbee Tiles. Nice image on this post.

All y'all:

I feel like a high school algebra teacher busting in on a conference of top secret underground theoretical physicists. Once again I'm probably just teaching you RI dolphins how to swim... and way off topic.

It seems everyone gets kind of lost in their imagination and sense of wonder. Which is brilliant--but are we sometimes hypnotized by our own recalcitrance?

We invent realities (and signs--realities within realities) just to cope. Drugs help.

But to cope with what?

An unanswerable question, perhaps. Most of us are slaves to our endless need to have an answer.

Just my two cents.

But I agree with IC: we can't keep our attention on the same duality of politics/rebellion. We're better off moving on and proving ourselves despite everyone else's entrenched positions.

And as Sounder consistently preaches (sorry for the term): we can only prove ourselves if we are vigilantly aware of what is behind our own personal masks. Don't we all have a wizard behind our own curtains too?

The enemy is not "out there" it's "in here".

7/11/2007 02:59:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Okay, I take it back. I am totally stupid. I skimmed Mothership and have come to this conclusion: freemasons understand a science and mathematics that is so divine that it only makes sense if you know it all, i.e. reading about the Nature of The Real Matrix is impossible unless someone magically imbues you with the power to understand everything all at once.

Wow, I guess freemason don’t have a choice really. Their science is so above everyone that they would be doing the fourth dimension and the human race a great disservice if they stopped raping child prostitutes from the third world. I always thought that the real forces of this world were just like me but with more money to make grow with fairly simple mathematical formulas, and with access to so many resources that they have to start raping small insects and rodents to get off sexually and aggressively.

Next time I go up in front of the judge after raping a seven year old, I am going to say that “As with the Theosophist contention, the experimental fractal nature of the spiral rationale creates a resonance that spiritually balances so that a sinusoidal reality with a mandatory adherence to the 3:4 (yin), while still functioning according to superstrings, has overcome any extra-dimensional dissonance from the previously Pythagorean mythos that rationality and logic have only to be seen rather than heard and that what can be seen with the natural exponential harmonics of the only four elements on the flat earth (air, metal, fire, and water) is only a result of other-dimensional phenomenon, but which needs a human host and whose ambivalent nature seems malevolent due to its phenomenal power due to its harmony with the resonance of the spheres of the matrix.” The judge will be so impressed by my alien-like super-intelligence that he will simply shoot himself and everyone else in the courtroom besides me for the treasonous act of questioning a god-like alien with no choice but to adhere to the resonance.

7/11/2007 03:41:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

I'm at a disadvantage here as I was never able to resonate the matrix. I've seen a few minutes of it here and there and put it down. That's my way of railing against the machine. Hard to empower the seeds of destruction if you don't plant them. And not hard at all to discern the seeds of discontent when they are forced down your throat.

My question is this. Why is there a night sky? I watched one of those chemtrailers working his thing just after dusk.. I was dusking but he was reflecting. He was lit up like a xmas tree and so were his offspring. My point is that "light" from the sun was still visible to the ct'er but not to me. Why don't we see light when it's dark? Is it because we are looking at the light from a 90 degree angle? Is the "side" of light dark? If light speed is "a something" how fast is it when you can't see it going by? Is this simply a cones and rods thing or can light be measured or felt in the vacuum of space? Something is telling me that this hologram we call life on earth is not on earth at all.

7/11/2007 05:12:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Something is telling me that this hologram we call life on earth is not on earth at all.

Purely playfully speaking, to such solopsism I suggest unzipping your fly, taking out your penis, laying it on your desk, then dropping and over-stuffed chair on it. If you still have doubts, poke any hemoraging areas with a safety pin. That should clear things up right nice. ; > }>#

7/11/2007 09:34:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Didn't feel a thing. Numb all over.

Umm. the point I was making is that light is not a subject or you would be able to measure it in some way as it exists. Light from a flashlight can be seen moving at right angles to the viewer but light from the sun flying by the planet is not detected. Again, is the light from the sun different in some way from the light from the flashlight?

7/11/2007 11:18:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Muddy no call for selling yourself short on the swimming thing. If only we were dolphins. My objective is to show (and cultivate in myself), ways for feeling connection to the ineffable, or the ground of being. I see this as the only way to trump the four aces of spades held by the folk that seek to define being for the masses. Then creativity will become the virus (thanks surrender) and the negative balancing acts will become passe.

“We invent realities (and signs--realities within realities) just to cope. Drugs help.

But to cope with what?”

Hey muddy funny you bring this up. I am working on a paper on coping skills. Its hook is from reflecting on old Lord/Vassal systems. Where the knight traded his loyalty to the Lord in exchange for larger protection. The knights must have wondered about the prudence of their commitments before every battle. So they looked for and found the ideal, the guarantor of authentic experience. Troubadours, Cathars, transference and category confusion. Why we do the things we do. The blind searching for authenticity, yada, yada ,yada.

That’s good omni, you see that Bauer's bit is simplistic, that is my first point. Bauer is a leading science of science Prof., and a fine supporter of normative science. I am not but I will stop, as you need to have your attention span stretched before you will deal with my stuff.

From Mothership Landing;

This quite simply is the drive of the Freemasons—a destructive pursuit of nondualism through unbalanced dualism. The theory of nondualism is that everything returns to its source.

IC, how do you find this kind of stuff? This fella is if nothing else, certainly eccentric and interesting. Don’t know how much of it I can take.

7/12/2007 07:22:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Watch the markets today. The Monopoly Capitalists are loosing control of their signifiers- they must be freaking out.

7/12/2007 09:22:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Eric said, on tree dieoffs. I was asked for comment. Well, plenty of [1] climate change, [2] acid rain pollution, and [3] 'invasive species' (i.e., changing local ecological relationships) I think are still a major blame. I haven't come across anything like you said about intentional chemtrail tree damage, though that doesn't mean it may be true. I just haven't looked.

And no, I personally don't see chemtrails as intending to accelerate global climate changes. However, as that Amy Worthington article I posted a link to above noted, the U.S. was warned by its own scientists that it just might do that if it utilized such "Welsbach" like patents. Though caution (and tons of 10 micron aluminum oxide and other salts) were thrown to the wind for a variety of tests.

I think that it may have started as a concern for climate change stopgaps, though increasingly was looked at as a novel platform for environmental warfare. Since if you are going to attempt to arrange a global platform of electro-chemically manipulated weather amelioration, what's to stop you from making decisions where you want it really bad in the same moment, intentionally? Thus the U.S. Navy's "Owning the Weather by 2025" documents, describing such a system.

Supposedly, the interactions of HAARP-chemtrails are part of the mechanism, with more than just the ionospheric heater in Gakona, Alaska being involved worldwide.

However, and I haven't read his argument, supposedly Gerry Vassalatos makes another argument about 'the' purpose of HAARP (in his mind) as having nothing to do with the Eastlund patents, though I don't think they are all that mutually exclusive. Once you start playing with electricity, you start to play with everything--life, mood, neurochemistry, weather, hydrochemistry, warfare, etc.

I've even read an argument that HAARP might be contributing to 'a freeway for carbon dioxide being expelled into outer space', by being located in the right place near the circular magnetic lines that encircle the north pole area, and encourging it to rise, rise, rise, right out into space.

I tend see chemtrails right now as a cheap substitute for a real solution of getting off oil.

Pressure for chemtrails seems to have been mostly a petrochemical political intercession. The petrochemical companies were interested in the idea of a 'cheap' stopgap that allowed them to keep polluting in their 'raw material regime' of poor material choices, power, and clientelism. 'Cheap' to them! No one talks about the massive aluminum poisoning that is contributing to a whole clade of life endangerment, ecological pollution, or human mental and biological health.

"Because our military-industrial overlords brazenly poison the very grunts who make their war games possible, we must logically conclude there is virtually nothing they would not secretly and sadistically do to the rest of us. Military officials lie as perniciously about chemtrail operations30 as they do about effects of DU weaponry. If people were to consider the published science regarding chemtrails and DU, they would understand that we are all in mortal jeopardy.

Both the Pentagon,s aerosol operations and its limited nuclear wars are deeply interconnected. We can trace the beginnings of Operation Cloverleaf right to the Strangelove brain of Dr. Edward Teller [WHO ADDITIONALLY COMES UP IN THE 'ALIEN QUESTION' we were on a thread ago], father of the hydrogen bomb and proponent of nuking inhabited coast lines to rearrange them for economic projects.31 Before he died in 2003, Teller was director emeritus of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, where plans for nuclear, biological and directed energy weapons are crafted. In 1997, Teller publicly outlined his proposal to use aircraft to scatter in the stratosphere millions of tons of electrically-conductive metallic materials, ostensibly to reduce global warming.32

Shortly after Teller's presentation, the public began seeing frenetic chemtrailing. In 2000, CBS News admitted that scientists were "looking at drastic solutions for global warming, including manipulating the atmosphere on a massive scale." CBS confirmed that the plan to load the air with tiny particles would "deflect enough sunlight to trigger global cooling."33

Teller estimated that commercial aircraft could be used to spew these particles at a cost of 33 cents a pound.34 This gives credence to a report by an airline manager, forced by a compulsory non-disclosure agreement to remain anonymous, that commercial aircraft have been co-opted to assist the military in consummating Project Cloverleaf.35 A 1991 Hughes aircraft patent confirms that sunscreen particulate materials can be run through jet engines.36 [Though an anonymous airline mechanic source indicates that there are separate hollow static wicks on plane wings that are used independently as well to diffuse the 'stuff'. This accords with some pictures as well showing the aerosols coming from the wing edges instead of the engines.] A science textbook now used in some public schools discusses the sunscreen project by showing a large orange-red jet with the caption, "Jet engines running on richer fuel would add particles to the atmosphere to create a sunscreen." The logo on the plane says "Particle Air."37 The implications of this crucial information should not be understated. A program to make America,s millions of annual jet flights a source of specially designed particulate pollution is serious business.

Cloverleaf particles and polymers saturating the air we breathe are smaller than 10 microns (PM 10) and are invisible to the human eye. By comparison, a human hair is 60 to 100 microns in thickness. Scientists and the EPA report that because PM10 and sub-micron pollution particles bypass lung filters and enter the blood stream, they cause radical changes in the endocrine and nervous systems. 38 They can trigger high blood pressure and cause heart attack within two hours of inhalation.39 They cause the blood to become sticky, making it tougher for the heart to pump and increasing the risk of blood clots and vessel damage.40 Now researchers in Taiwan document "a significant increase" in the number of stroke victims when PM10 pollutant levels rise.41 The American Lung Association confirms that we are breathing more toxic air than ever.42 No wonder nationwide asthma rates have been soaring in recent years.43

Tiny synthetic filaments called polymers are part of the brew. In 1990, a NATO report detailed how high-flying aircraft can modify the atmosphere by spraying polymers to absorb electromagnetic radiation.44 U.S. patent number 6315213 describes how cross-linked aqueous polymers dispersed into a storm diminish rain.45

Polymer chemist Dr. R. Michael Castle has studied atmospheric polymers for years. He has found that some of them contain bioactive materials, which can cause "serious skin lesions and diseases when absorbed into the skin."46 He has identified microscopic polymers comprised of genetically-engineered fungal forms mutated with viruses. He says that trillions of fusarium (fungus)/virus mutated spores, which secrete a powerful mico-toxin, are part of the air we breathe.47 Allergies anyone? [Micotoxins (additionally spelled Mycotoxins) found are the same 'mold warfare' in the equip of the U.S. biological warfare sections, noted in the PDF]

We can safely bet that into our particle-enriched air, experimenters are also dumping nanoparticles, developed for a variety of military and industrial uses. These engineered carbon molecules, as small as one-thousandth the diameter of human hair, display bizarre chemical properties and are known to trigger organ damage.48 A recent study at Southern Methodist University found that fish exposed to one type of nanoparticle suffered severe brain damage after only 48 hours.49


The salamanders/frogs groups were already in danger from habitat destruction. However, in some testable situations up to 7x 'normal' aluminum levels found in Canadian water, "enough to kill fish". This was particularly in that test plot that the Canadian Government allowed the U.S. refueling tanker jets to buzz repeatedly for months. They wanted to poison some people over and over without allowing any redress of grievance of the people involved--despite them there all well aware of what was going on since they organized petitions to complain.

They met with stonewalled silence--from supposedly the "better" Canadian government, as USians and many in the world like to think?

At this stage, Canada is, to use a worn out phrase of revolutionary politics, a running dog of the U.S. It would hardly surprise me if Canada has just such a 'law' as well:

"The military is empowered to continue lethal experimentation by devious wording of Section 1520a Chapter 32 of U.S. Code Title 50. The law states that the Secretary of Defense may NOT conduct any chemical or biological test or experiment on civilian populations, unless such tests are for medical, therapeutic, pharmaceutical, agricultural, industrial purposes or for research in general or for protection against weapons or for law enforcement purposes, including riot control. So DOD may not use us for guinea pigs, unless it is for any "good" reason under the sun! The law states that human subjects must give informed consent. But a nasty loophole in Section 1515 of Chapter 32 allows informed consent to be suspended by executive order during a period of national emergency, a situation under which this nation perpetually labors by deliberate hobgoblin design."

That Ontario town seems to have been the first Canadian guinea pigs for some U.S. Nazi experimenter's "first run" test on overall effects on life. That's in that PDF timeline on chemtrails.

7/12/2007 09:25:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Another point worth mentioning: the 'law' is probabaly through NATO allowing for this, given that mostly NATO airspace is involved seemingly, combined with the claim I've read that chemtrails started overflying Slovenia the moment it joined NATO.

7/12/2007 09:43:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

This is the prelude to the last Friday the 13th before the Mason celebrate the 700th annivesary of the betrayal of the Knights Templar. Homeland Insecurity is busy pulling out the ol suitcase nuke scenario and of course, George is pulling out his plumbs on progress in Iraq. A progress report on Iraq zounds a bit like an anacronym to me.

7/12/2007 10:04:00 AM  
Blogger Rambuncle said...

Light from a flashlight can be seen moving at right angles to the viewer but light from the sun flying by the planet is not detected. Again, is the light from the sun different in some way from the light from the flashlight?

The reason you can't see light from the sun at night is because it is not being reflected off anything. You can see light from the sun at night when you look at the moon, because all you are seeing is the sun's light reflected off the moon. You can see the light from a flashlight at right angles for two reasons(well, these are the two that I thought of for now). 1) Light coming out of a flashlight is not all going out "straight" the direction you are pointing the flashlight, there is a lot of scatter. 2) The light is being reflected off many particles floating around in the air, and thus redirected so that you can see it from an "off" angle.

7/12/2007 10:10:00 AM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Oh I see, <ericswan,

I will try to answer this, since you seem to be testing us.

First, the direct light of a flashlight cannot be received by your retina if it is traveling uni-directionally as it is "proven" to do. But you can see dust, and other shrapnel, that the flashlight "lights up," i.e. the dust and shrapnel reflect and possibly refract enough of the light for it to become somewhat ambient. This allows you to sense light "at a 90 degree angle." I assure you that any light that reaches your eye is coming almost straight into it from its last deflection in the atmosphere, or else you wouldn't perceive it.

What you are asking is, "when it is noon in Shanghai, why can we not see our 40 mile high atmosphere when looking at the horizon?"
We can first of all. There is some ambient light, like a halo around all 360 degrees of the earth. Next time you go to an area of the world with nice flat terrain, look around at the horizon. The reason it is so faint, unlike your flashlight, a much smaller light source, albeit much closer, is because on its side, 40 miles of atmosphere becomes, geez, (and I mean this, no sarcasm), I don't know, 2,000 miles approx. If there are clouds, even more reason why all of the light won't travel through that much atmosphere enough so that you will see brightness beyond the halo that we do see on the horizon. As you will notice, a flashlight's "beam," the intensity of light seen because of increasingly less reflections, absorptions, refractions into your eye as you look further and further from the bulb (source), is only visible, even with a nice maglightTM, on a foggy night, about 30 feet.

Also, ambient visible light is what you are talking about. There is a continuum of radiation coming from the sun, some less affected by atmosphere, some more. For instance, there seems to be plenty of the lower wavelengths (lower energy) reaching us (think of night vision goggles) at night, it is just the energy of higher frequency stuff like Ultraviolet and Gamma are not so easily reflected by atmospheric shrapnel. It takes something like six feet of lead to stop a gamma ray from getting through, i.e. the probability that a single lead atom can absorb a gamma ray is low, and so it takes many of them. Higher frequency stuff travels right through the atmosphere with little interference, and less with the higher you go. That is why microwaves, concededly lower frequency than visible light, are used for WiFi and Cell: less interference from the atmosphere and other signals, thus longer range of even concentrated, even trajectory signal. The longer wavelengths from the sun are ambiently present in the night, and at fewer concentrations depending on what time it is (how thick the atmosphere is with respect to the position vector that points from the earth to the sun.

Hope that helps.

Sounder, I do admit it, I do have a short attention span for some stuff, and even less time. I have predilections for natural science and social science, not so much for the philosophy of what to look for in science. I think I have a pretty good idea what to look for: models of the natural world that draw on observation and logic and reason and that do not contradict what I already hold to be fairly certain. Now, if you tell me nothing is certain, try the chair on the penis thing yourself. Or, throw a rock through the window at the mall and wait around for the police to get there. You should be fairly certain that without fail, with no exceptions, it is a natural law that police will arrest you and you will spend a miserable night in jail with people whom you will not be able to have any intelligent conversations with, at least of this nature. Just saying that I have been through it before. I have read Candide. I have read some Plato. I have read Nietche and other philosophy. I don't care anymore. My philosophy is: when something hurts I heal it; if I am hungry I eat; if my eyes see something, I say that it is there, it must be, enough so that it can affect me if I am not careful; if I cannot change something, I resign myself to it somewhat; if I start going around on the internet and reading about 9/11 and hearing all of this stuff about "truth movements," I yawn. At this point, the powers that be could come on T.V. and say, "Fuck you America, we hate you and you are our slaves. We killed three thousand people and we will do it again." Then what would America do? Nothing. They would go to work so they don't have to sleep at the shelter, just like they did the day before.

In fact I think that the powers that be are behind the truth movement. They know that most of America is becoming dissident and they need to scare them. They need to tell them, "yep, we are a gang of thugs that will destroy cities if you fuck with us," which tends to dissuade real revolution a bit, I think. It is so obvious whose behind it, with all of the other dozens of "problem, reaction, solution" pretexts in known history, that I hardly think it is a mistake that it is so obvious. After all, many of the revelations that we here know about come from sources directly funded by MegaCorp. South End Press, Zmag, Common Courage Press, 7 Stories, on and on: these are all PSYOPS mouthpieces. Yet they are very willing to tell any who are curious enough to lift that layer of the onion the exact extent of their tyranny. Sounds like they are trying to scare us to me.

Anyway, hey man, turn me on if you can. I am open to some new wisdom. I have already learned some since I started talking to you guys.

I just find it hard to access some philosophical writing when it draws on others' ideas, and drops names, so much as to not stand on its own. So much of it does. I certainly admit I do not know you and have not even read what you wear as a mask on the outside either, so I can't say either way whether or not I will even be able to sit through one of your posts or not without feeling like skipping around a bit. I'll be ginger either way when my final judgment is at hand. ; > }>#

p.s. Sounder, why did you stop posting to your blog a year ago? What gives?

IC wow, that Rex Research site is awesome; there is a vague feeling inside that I have heard of it before somewhere. Anyway, Holy s**t. The permanent magnet motor by Howard Johnson, HOLY S**T!!!!!. Why didn't I think of that? That will work, and I don't care what anyone says. I have several refrigerator magnets on my fridge right now, not on top of my fridge, on the side! They oppose gravity indefatigably. They apply a force by themselves, thus are definitely capable of doing work with no energy input (besides the field needed in their initial construction/manufacture. I read the writer's (of the 1980 article in Science & Mechanics) first hand account of letting the little vehicle go and seeing it flying right off the track. I saw the THREE U.S. Patents!!!!!! What the s**t? Noiseless power? Why not??

7/12/2007 10:22:00 AM  
Blogger omnimental said...

On the chemtrails, I find it hard to believe these guys are poisoning themselves. Perhaps the stuff is just water, a polar molecule that can attach to pollution and wash it to the ground. Just a theory, and an unfounded one at that.

Well, somewhat unfounded. I’m glad I brought this up. It’s a valid question to pose to the folks who suggest particles, bio and metal. I mean, do these guys poison themselves, take a mutual risk for a mutual cause, then go to the spa for an internal cleanse? Do they use chelating agents like EDTA and alpha lipoic acid to remove heavy metals. Do they use niacin like candy? Do they ingest anti-fungal meds daily? This is possible, as possible as anything else. Like I said before, until I see the evidence of aluminum or fungus physically (I don’t always demand this kind of physical proof), I will always have at least a shred of doubt.

7/12/2007 11:05:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

"This is possible, as possible as anything else. Like I said before, until I see the evidence of aluminum or fungus physically (I don’t always demand this kind of physical proof), I will always have at least a shred of doubt."

Um. Here we go once more. This is what I was chiding you for, earlier. "Just follow the links" already half spoonfed--and that is found:

"'Chemtrails' is the term widely used to describe the brilliant white trails laid down by U.S. Air Force tanker planes photo-identified over North America and a dozen other allied nations in a process the U.S. Air Force calls 'aerial obscuration'.

First confirmed by Airport Authority Terry Stewart at the Victoria International Airport on Dec. 8, 2000 as a 'joint Canada-U.S. military operation' and stridently denied by senior officers at Canadian Forces Base (where Stewart later told the Vancouver Courier he had received his information) - these multi-plane missions were verified in March, 2001 by the Air Traffic Control (ATC) manager for the northeastern seaboard of the United States.

In three taped interviews with this reporter and veteran radio journalist S.T. Brendt, our 'Deep Sky' source said that he had been ordered to divert incoming commercial flights away from USAF tankers spraying s substance that showed up on ATC radars as a 'haze'.

These radar returns are the signature of the fine aluminum particles found in laboratory tests of chemtrail-contaminated rain taken in Espanola, Ontario in the summer of 1999. The lab analysis found reflective quartz particles in the chemtrail fallout - and levels of aluminum FIVE TIMES higher than Ontario's maximum permissible health safety standards.

After NDP Defense critic Gordon Earle presented a petition signed by 550 Espanola residents to Parliament in November, 1999 demanding an end to aerial spraying by commercial or military aircraft, foreign or domestic, which appeared to be making many people sick, DND eventually replied, "It's not us."

The aluminum found in chemtrails over Ontario matches the 10 micron aluminum oxide called for in a 1994 patent issued to Hughes Aircraft Company. 'Welsbach Seeding for Reduction of Global Warming' refers to spreading highly reflective materials in the atmosphere to reflect enough incoming sunlight (1 to 2%) to slow rapidly-accelerating global warming.

Edward Teller, father of the H-bomb, called for this billion dollar a year 'sky shield' program after computer simulations at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory showed it would prevent warming over 85% of the planet's surface despite a predicted doubling of heat-trapping C02 in the atmosphere over the next 40 years.

But Ken Caldeira - the climate expert who ran the computer model - has warned that the stratospheric spraying of sunlight-reflecting chemicals could 'destroy the ozone layer' and pose human health risks....


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And in addition to "chemtrail home territory", NATO seems involved in 9-11, small world.

Title: 9-11 as INTERNATIONAL hit on U.S., more than mere U.S. military operation to hit itself
Author: version1
Date: 2004.09.06 08:23
Description: I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that purpose of the '9-11 attacks' was far wider than simply a U.S. terror op or stand down or to simply destroy the WTCs cheaply or destroy the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. These terrorists aren't working nationally. Of course there was a British military & Israeli/Mossad (still questionable connections) parts played; and of course the WTC issue was simply a 'bundle in' of the previous WTC1 hit overseen by the FBI in 1993 that failed; and of course the Patriot Act (already written up before the attacks & passed unread) and the bio-terror of SPECIFICALLY anthrax were important (taking U.S. financial interests of Bush & bin Laden families into view). However, these were a part of an international stage of integration, below. 9-11 was intentionally staged international terrorism due to preparations technologically, plus in terms of policy documents, & in terms of personnel seedings involved in 9-11 activities, army movements, wargames everywhere practiced, etc. --- This means that the 9-11 main attacks PURPOSE WAS TO ALLOW A HIGHER LEVEL OF DAILY INTEGRATION OF THE INSTITUTIONS AND PERSONNEL mentioned below. --- .... These are 9-11 issues that should be more well known, particular the NATO, USSPACECOM, NORAD, USJFCOM institutions and personnel overlaps....

7/12/2007 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Mark said:
I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that purpose of the '9-11 attacks' was far wider than simply a U.S. terror op or stand down or to simply destroy the WTCs cheaply or destroy the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. These terrorists aren't working nationally. Of course there was a British military & Israeli/Mossad (still questionable connections) parts played; and of course the WTC issue was simply a 'bundle in' of the previous WTC1 hit overseen by the FBI in 1993 that failed; and of course the Patriot Act (already written up before the attacks & passed unread) and the bio-terror of SPECIFICALLY anthrax were important (taking U.S. financial interests of Bush & bin Laden families into view). However, these were a part of an international stage of integration, below. 9-11 was intentionally staged international terrorism due to preparations technologically, plus in terms of policy documents, & in terms of personnel seedings involved in 9-11 activities, army movements, wargames everywhere practiced, etc. --- This means that the 9-11 main attacks PURPOSE WAS TO ALLOW A HIGHER LEVEL OF DAILY INTEGRATION OF THE INSTITUTIONS AND PERSONNEL mentioned below. --- .... These are 9-11 issues that should be more well known, particular the NATO, USSPACECOM, NORAD, USJFCOM institutions and personnel overlaps....

Wow, that "FACT" is amazing. Now I "KNOW" "EXACTLY" what 911 was "ALL" about.

Um, I don't need to follow the links. I used to subscribe to Nexus Magazine. I have been being exposed to alternative viewpoints and "conspiracy research" for 25 years. I have read a lot (enough for now) about chemtrails! I think they might contain aluminum and mold or they ight not. My point, in the form of a question, was if "they" are doing this, how are they staying immune? That's all. NO ONE HAS ANSWERED ME YET! Still waiting. I am just looking for some speculation as to how they do these things to us AND THEMSELVES and not get hurt by it? I am not saying they don't do, it. I hink it is an intriguing question. Anyone else but Mark think so too?

I have been reading about 911 from approximately 20 different sites for as long as you have, Mark. I know that because I started as soon as it happened, as soon as the sites went up.

Fact is, we here all know that it was probably done by the same people who supposedly develop the worlds' successive 5-year-plans at Bildergerg. We DON'T know exactly why. My last shot at them wanting us to know they are thugs stands and I challenge anyone to provide justification for its improbability.

Sorry to have to argue with you on this, Mark, but again, you started that tone. I was merely adding to the conversation on Chemtrails and used 911 as an example of just how the powers that be can be more deceptive than you can imagine just by doing things right in front of your face.

End of Section

Sounder once said on his “Response-Ability” blog, in a moment of graceful clarity, imbued, if only fleetingly, intermittently, with the omnipotent all:

We seem stuck by our need to graft fresh ideas onto older models, so as to gain more credibility. The compromised idea is then as likely to enforce the conventional thought, rather than overturning it. The truly brilliant largely do their work outside of and without the validation or crutch of social convention. No, Einstein and Darwin do not make the grade. People like Tesla, Reichenbach, Reich, and Naessens will continue to be ignored as long as the stature of mildly intelligent people is measured by some popularity contest. One big “reality” show. Whoop –ee.

And so, here we all are, trying to get at new models with an old, entrenched language.

…but I don’t find anything dualistic about Darwin, except that, yeah, ya either survive and reproduce such that your genes out-survive others’ genes or you don’t! That, I am afraid, is the harsh reality on this Earth as we know it, unless my whole life is just a program originating out of the proverbial black box of my original consciousness that says, “I, robot.” But again, and I’m getting tired of this s**t, take out the penis, lay it on the desk, and…oh yeah, black box, shmack box. That friggin’ kills man!

7/12/2007 12:28:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

um, yeah, Portland Indy Media never lied about anything...and my balls are ten feet tall. Portland Indy Media is as good a secondary source as Infowars or Prop. Matrix, but it is just that, a secondary one. It is KNOWN TO BE FUNDED BY BIG BUSINESS LIKE ALL COLLEGE RADIO PROGRAMS. Didn't we already agree that "Chomsky is a tool?" I thought I was safe to question information known to originate from MegaCorp...or is that the tactic: disagree with me no matter what, hoping I will forget what has been already said, what has been set as a tone of this website, so I will leave?

After all the name of the blog is "Rigorous Intuition." I don't know, my rigorous intuition says that if a news outlet covers Iraq daily, then it is probably not worth taking as an authority on anything. It (PIM) is probably allowing the elite to create our meaning, set our agenda, like Jeff originally protested 126 posts ago.

I know I am WAY out of line here, but I had to say it anyway, that all mass media information is not God.

7/12/2007 12:51:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Anyone here ever read Timber Wars about Judy Barri and EarthFirst! in northern California? In it Barri (sp?) tells about her days in Earth First!. There is this one account of how all of a sudden, right at this crucial time of their battle against that bogus junk bond company (I forget the names) that cleared the forest out there, this woman mysteriously showed up from some other Earth First, I think it was Minneapolis. Anyway, she took over, says Bari. She started making all of these weird suggestions, these improbable strategies that in the end totally divided the Earth First! movement in Northern Cali. Bari’s contention: she was a provocateur. When Judy still didn’t give up, the FBI bombed her car. When that didn’t work, they gave her cancer. She is now dead.

No one in that book ever put this together when it was written after Judi's death, but now northern California is one of the largest producers of wine in the world thanks to the clear cut. This is what the clear cut was all about: now middle and upper middle class sophistos from all over North America can get drunk and not Rigorously Intuit anything!! But Judi and EarthFirst couldn't figure out then why they were cutting underbrush and so much new growth.

7/12/2007 01:19:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Omni said:

"My point, in the form of a question, was if "they" are doing this, how are they staying immune?

First, you sort of ignored that your previous "real question" was 'you see no evidence physically for the aluminum oxide.' When provided with it, you immediately harp on multiple other things instead, unphased.

In that, you beg your own question. The real question is how do you know that they are.

I'd imagine that they don't really care about their own staff enough, like everyone else--after all the military grunts has always been their chain of command's first choice of guinea pigs. If they do protect themselves, I'm sure they're working on that from it as they go. There are lots of ways to detoxify or protect respiration. They assuredly would monitor their personnel if they felt it 'cost effective'. If not, then intentional self-poisioning in such close proximities to these operations would be a plus to their overseers I guess: they eliminate their own associated witnesses sooner or later. Sort of like denying 9-11 rescue squad victims health claims, to encourage their dieoff faster (with their first person knowledge of how unlikely is the official story of 9-11 and particularly the collapses of the WTCs.)


Omni said:

"We DON'T know exactly why. My last shot at them wanting us to know they are thugs stands and I challenge anyone to provide justification for its improbability."

That's begging your own question once more. You think something should be accepted simply because of the lack of refutation. The issue is what evidence you equally would provide for that assertion, none so far, instead of it standing simply by default of what evidence that can be brought against it.

And my 'tone' as you say, is far kinder than your apoplectic reactions.

And lambasting the messengers when you can't lambast the message. You change tactics endlessly. Then you attack the reposting mechanisms of IMCs? as "KNOWN TO BE FUNDED BY BIG BUSINESS"?! Their non-profit. They're volunteer run mostly, some die out for lack of local volunteers and granola to fuel the workers, not the lack of multi-milliondollar military industrial sponsorship.

Endlessly shifting around in this way, Omni, is not a good way to win friends and influence people, if that is really what you are about. Bring us some interesting tantalizing evidence, we're all ears, not claims that "I'm right without evidence until I'm disproven" sort of things above.

I'm sure someone could turn this whole thread back to Jeff's original semiotics points quite easily now.

Back to symbols. Where did you come up with that avatar picture of yours, Omni, and what do you mean by it?

Omni said

Um, I don't need to follow the links.

That says it all, then. Don't let helpful linked information interfere with your rants. I don't wish to talk to you in the remainder of this thread, though that doesn't mean I won't be reading any useful thing you might bring. Thanks.

7/12/2007 02:42:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

On Wednesday, April 12, 2006, Jeff said:

Conspiracature

When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose
You're invisible now, you got no secrets to conceal - Bob Dylan

Funny, that, how the public face of the "Satanic Panic" flap was a black-clad Dr Evil with an Eddie Munster 'do, and its fearless vampire hunter an almost impossibly bumbling everywhere-man of the far right with an FBI backstory. And how the leading proponents for the "disclosure" of extraterrestials have been military careerists or intelligence assets, while the most noisome "researchers" supporting the ET hypothesis have also been disseminators of military disinformation. Or how, suddenly, the loudest voices for "9/11 Truth" are those of former Bush aides and lifelong Republicans, beating the drum for - dig it - no passenger aircraft having struck the World Trade Center.

It's more than just theme and content that evoke The Outer Limits. It's our uncritical digestion of dubious information that becomes our fattening hobby. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical.... Sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear. If we're open to all channels and lack the discernment to know what we're watching, we're nothing but passive consumers of conspiratainment.

Ritual abusers aren't likely to be the overt occultist and the kid getting his hate on to Black Metal, but the priest in Toledo and the preacher in Ponchatoula; the prominent Nebraskan belting out the national anthem at two Republican national conventions. More often than not, the abuser isn't the self-marginalized outsider of caricature, but the insider: the one who already has power by the world's measure, and who means to gain more of it. But that caricature is too good to let go, and on all sides, because on all sides can be found the allies and the assets of power that encompass and define the discourse. And so the foolish and imprecise caricature becomes the defining image of the crime - likely to become an uncrime - for both those disposed to discount everything and those who eat it all up.

Who profits by the You're with us or you're against us essentialism of the advocates for the most contentious and spurious speculations on 9/11, and how far does it carry us from the scene of the crime and its high criminals? The pods, the holograms, the missiles, the demolitions: how did we arrive at this familiar position of irrelevance, and who do you think means to keep us here? Popular Mechanics, CNN and the great Anglo-American dailies don't shy from drawing strawman caricatures of conspiracy and then delight in setting them ablaze with all of us supposedly inside like some springtime wickerman sacrifice, yet the meat of the case for criminal intent rots on the offering plate. Why do you think that is, and who do you think might like it like that? The conspirators, who create both a false opposition and a false conspiracy, remain invisible and free to deal more death.

It's a conceit of liberalism to believe knowledge is power, and it's a deceit of the "Information Age" to mistake information for knowledge. Gone missing, for the greater part, is wisdom. Find that, and maybe we find our power.

"Big Brother is watching, so learn to be invisible." That's some advice dished out early on in Grant Morrison's The Invisibles. It's a comic book from the mid-90s, a knowing caricature of a guerrilla war waged by the "Invisible College" against an occult elite that Morrison claims was determined by his own abduction/shamanic experience in Kathmandu. It also happens to contain more wisdom about the world than yet another cut and paste contending that the hole in Tower Two was too small for a Boeing 767. Art can do that. Even comic art.

A few years ago Morrison said, "Fuck man, I tell you when I was a kid I read Robert Anton Wilson and all this shit and here we are, we're standing here, talking about this shit and it's real!"

If the popular culture - even the popular alternative culture - gives us little but caricature, at least we have a good comic book.

posted by Jeff at 3:56 PM


Sad thing is, the part where he talks about the meat of the crime rotting on the plate. So goddam true, I should be welling up with tears, but for some reason I can't anymore. Yep, and that "munster do" guy just happens to be a Lt. Col. very much into PSYOPS. Who the hell knows. But we do know:

1. Just recently there were 700 people busted in another child porn case; by law enforcement authorities' admission they came up empty handed of any producers and dealers; just users.

2. The amount of immunity needed for such crimes definitely implicates law enforcement all the way up to the highest skyscraper in the world.

3. It is definitely a conspiracy when one person kidnaps some kid, sells the kid to someone who knows someone, then that someone pimps the kid out to a John. Already approx. five people are knowingly ivolved for every one victim.

4. People who work at McDonalds making minimum wage cannot afford to purchase a child for $25,000.00.

5. There are no buildings where the world trade center buildings 1, 2, and 7 used to be.

6. The mass media was surely unwilling to do anything but assume arab terrorists (not a very judicious approach to solving what is arguably the most sensational crime in human history [aside from the taliban knocking down the giant buddha in asia a year earlier.]) on the instant of coverage.

7. There is a veritabe information dragnet that would and could never allow such things to happen unless there was collusion in all intelligence agencies.

That is a few things on these two subjects that we KNOW. What it is time to do is ask ourselves, "what should we do about these physical facts of history, these crimes?"

I like in the Belgium Beast case how the firemen went down to city hall and started spraying as a symbolic act that it needed to be cleaned up. Too bad they did'nt load some hoses with 20 molar Hydrochloric acid and spray city hall.

I am exposinmg the hell out of them as much as I can until they wax me off. I am going for the jugular, the artery of info that feeds the mega supercomputer ENIAC-on steroids-style superbrain buried under baltimore. They will be answering to us before it is over. If thoughts really can determine reality, they will answer for it. I will will it to happen.

I would like to fight fire with fire, but I would end up on death row faster than you can say "militia."

Jeff is going in the very same direction as I am, I suspect, and that is why I am here. One has to, if he has any intelligence at all, see that when it comes to a completely expedient force like we are dealing with here, diplomacy is not going to get you anywhere. Where the hell is he, by the way?

7/12/2007 03:21:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Chemtrails are a two parter. The first part lowers the immune system. Ala..lung and respiratory issues.

The second part (coming to a theatre near you) is and always has been mycotoxic. Yes there is an antidote and no you aren't getting it.

http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/shieldproject.html

7/12/2007 04:14:00 PM  
Blogger et in Arcadia ego Eve said...

Jeff please post something soon. I'm having withdrawal

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Canadaphile&defid=1744674

7/12/2007 05:09:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Goddamit Mark, I didn’t say I was proving anything by the lack of y’all’s abitilty to refute it. I know that that is the biggest no-no in rhetoric or in law theory. I SAID IT WAS A VALID QUESTION AND SO FAR I HAVE NOT SEEN THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE THAT CHEMTRAILS CONTAIN ANYTHING BUT UNKNOWN LIQUID. I ALSO SAID THAT I DIDN’T GET A SOLID ANSWER TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION (THAT DID NOT CALL YOUR MOTHER ANY NAMES, BY THE WAY) BEFORE YOU STARTED ATTACKING ME, TAKING PERSONAL OFFENSE BY MY SAYING THE SACRED DOCTRINE OF MILITARY REPORTS MIGHT NOT BE 100 PERCENT VALID, AND THAT I STILLWANTED AN ANSWER. I NOW ASK, WHERE DO YOU HAVE PROOF, A PAPER TRAIL, THAT ANYONE EVER PURCHASED WELSBACH’S STUFF AND USED IT? I SAID A VALID QUESTION OF MOTIVE, CIRCUMSTANTIAL “EVIDENCE” AT BEST, IS WHY WOULD THESE GUYS POISON THEMSELVES? Generally, WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT IT IS FUNNY THAT SATAN WOULD WANT TO PUNCH HIMSLEF IN THE BALLS, THAT’S ALL.

How’s that for reactionary, apoplectic, and generally vitriolic? Tushe to you, Sir mark.

I have read many of Jeff’s posts. I know he would be supportive of my mere questioning of a well-entrenched conspiracy canon like the chemtrail stuff. After all, I AM ONLY QUESTIONING IT AND NOT TELLING-MARK-HIS-MOTHER-WEARS-COMBAT-BOOTS-ING IT.

How exactly are you suggesting I am changing my strategy to win friends and influence people? First of all, hey buddy, I ain’t here to win friends. (If I do make friends in the process, i.e. they make it through my very discriminating filter, then GREAT!) I am here to do what I can to make it costly to the conspiracy to steal my soul. I AM contributing consistently, because I cannot do anything else. I am one person with one brain. If you don't like my thinking style, say so. Don't start changing the subject and deriding me as a thinker to try to get out of conceding the preposterousness of "knowing" without the proper equipment, that chemtrails contain aluminum.

Beleive me, I know that the powers that be are definitely capable of such stupid, myopic, non-gestalt type environmental meddling. I am not questioning that. It's just that Rense and David Ike are very much into this chemtrail business, as with Lizards from the fourth dimension. I know that it is possible that they would purposefully cover both on thier site to discredit chemtrails as this is a common disinfo strategy.

Second, I AM here to influence people, though NOT with charisma. I rather like letting my words speak for themselves, rather than going around accusing others, throwing up all of these distractions, instead of following the rhetorical stream. I would rather be an anti-hero than a self-righteous hero, because it is true, I am not a saint. I lust, I am greedy, I am all sorts of things; but I am not a hero, unless you think I am. I cannot proclaim that myself. I would rather give people a negative first impression that way I know if I am dealing with a reactionary jackass or if I am dealing with someone who appreciates substance over symbols. That is EXACTLY what my "avatar" is all about. If you are offended by it, I probably wouldn't like you in person. It doesn't mean I am that symbol, a neo-nazi because there is a swastika on "my" neck. I am sure you would love such potent ammunition as that, me being a supposed neo-nazi, jack-booted extremist; It is not going to be that easy for you Marky Mark.

I still don’t hate you, I just think you are taking advantage of one of Jeff’s rules of what can and can’t be said because, despite what you say, every one of my posts has been analytical and to the point that Jeff is consistently trying to get accross

Incidentally, picture that: Satan: punching himself in the balls. HAHAHAHAHA…ooohhh, I kill me sometimes.

Anyway Mark, fine, I don’t want to talk to you either. You are not my friend. How’s that.

Here’s your “evidence” that every single “news” organization allowed on the radio is controlled by the big guys. I know that here is where you will say that I am using secondary sources to “prove” what I think so it is no more valid than any source that you have heard that says that Indy Media is totally radical. Other evidence is that they talk about the same s**t that the other media talks about, or else they insert formulaic feel-good activism stuff that if someone like I disagrees with, all of a sudden they turn into Hitler. My evidence is drawing conclusions that are probable from other reporters suggestions. To me it makes far more sense that the powers that be would rather control the debate by erecting “straw men” media sources as Jeff calls them than to have a conversation run by people with nothing to gain but freedom from tyranny. It also makes sense that if those “news” organizations were funded by Big Business, then they would select very carefully only those who would go along with their controlled agenda.

A good example of this type of thing is how Gloria Steinem took over the feminist movement to make into something where women were told to reject the idea of male power; that in fact it was not true that mens’ muscles did multiply as womens’ only got fatter. This totally ruined the practicality of making women more powerful and more loved. What a nazi, Zionist beeeatch Gloria is. One step forward and infinite steps into a twisted confused ball of symbols.

7/12/2007 07:33:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Goddamit Mark, I didn’t say I was proving anything by the lack of y’all’s abitilty to refute it. I know that that is the biggest no-no in rhetoric or in law theory. I SAID IT WAS A VALID QUESTION AND SO FAR I HAVE NOT SEEN THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE THAT CHEMTRAILS CONTAIN ANYTHING BUT UNKNOWN LIQUID. I ALSO SAID THAT I DIDN’T GET A SOLID ANSWER TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION (THAT DID NOT CALL YOUR MOTHER ANY NAMES, BY THE WAY) BEFORE YOU STARTED ATTACKING ME, TAKING PERSONAL OFFENSE BY MY SAYING THE SACRED DOCTRINE OF MILITARY REPORTS MIGHT NOT BE 100 PERCENT VALID, AND THAT I STILLWANTED AN ANSWER. I NOW ASK, WHERE DO YOU HAVE PROOF, A PAPER TRAIL, THAT ANYONE EVER PURCHASED WELSBACH’S STUFF AND USED IT? I SAID A VALID QUESTION OF MOTIVE, CIRCUMSTANTIAL “EVIDENCE” AT BEST, IS WHY WOULD THESE GUYS POISON THEMSELVES? Generally, WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT IT IS FUNNY THAT SATAN WOULD WANT TO PUNCH HIMSLEF IN THE BALLS, THAT’S ALL.

How’s that for reactionary, apoplectic, and generally vitriolic? Tushe to you, Sir mark.

I have read many of Jeff’s posts. I know he would be supportive of my mere questioning of a well-entrenched conspiracy canon like the chemtrail stuff. After all, I AM ONLY QUESTIONING IT AND NOT TELLING-MARK-HIS-MOTHER-WEARS-COMBAT-BOOTS-ING IT.

How exactly are you suggesting I am changing my strategy to win friends and influence people? First of all, hey buddy, I ain’t here to win friends. (If I do make friends in the process, i.e. they make it through my very discriminating filter, then GREAT!) I am here to do what I can to make it costly to the conspiracy to steal my soul. I AM contributing consistently, because I cannot do anything else. I am one person with one brain. If you don't like my thinking style, say so. Don't start changing the subject and deriding me as a thinker to try to get out of conceding the preposterousness of "knowing" without the proper equipment, that chemtrails contain aluminum.

Beleive me, I know that the powers that be are definitely capable of such stupid, myopic, non-gestalt type environmental meddling. I am not questioning that. It's just that Rense and David Ike are very much into this chemtrail business, as with Lizards from the fourth dimension. I know that it is possible that they would purposefully cover both on thier site to discredit chemtrails as this is a common disinfo strategy.

Second, I AM here to influence people, though NOT with charisma. I rather like letting my words speak for themselves, rather than going around accusing others, throwing up all of these distractions, instead of following the rhetorical stream. I would rather be an anti-hero than a self-righteous hero, because it is true, I am not a saint. I lust, I am greedy, I am all sorts of things; but I am not a hero, unless you think I am. I cannot proclaim that myself. I would rather give people a negative first impression that way I know if I am dealing with a reactionary jackass or if I am dealing with someone who appreciates substance over symbols. That is EXACTLY what my "avatar" is all about. If you are offended by it, I probably wouldn't like you in person. It doesn't mean I am that symbol, a neo-nazi because there is a swastika on "my" neck. I am sure you would love such potent ammunition as that, me being a supposed neo-nazi, jack-booted extremist; It is not going to be that easy for you Marky Mark.

I still don’t hate you, I just think you are taking advantage of one of Jeff’s rules of what can and can’t be said because, despite what you say, every one of my posts has been analytical and to the point that Jeff is consistently trying to get accross

Incidentally, picture that: Satan: punching himself in the balls. HAHAHAHAHA…ooohhh, I kill me sometimes.

Anyway Mark, fine, I don’t want to talk to you either. You are not my friend. How’s that.

Here’s your “evidence” that every single “news” organization allowed on the radio is controlled by the big guys. I know that here is where you will say that I am using secondary sources to “prove” what I think so it is no more valid than any source that you have heard that says that Indy Media is totally radical. Other evidence is that they talk about the same s**t that the other media talks about, or else they insert formulaic feel-good activism stuff that if someone like I disagrees with, all of a sudden they turn into Hitler. My evidence is drawing conclusions that are probable from other reporters suggestions. To me it makes far more sense that the powers that be would rather control the debate by erecting “straw men” media sources as Jeff calls them than to have a conversation run by people with nothing to gain but freedom from tyranny. It also makes sense that if those “news” organizations were funded by Big Business, then they would select very carefully only those who would go along with their controlled agenda.

A good example of this type of thing is how Gloria Steinem took over the feminist movement to make into something where women were told to reject the idea of male power; that in fact it was not true that mens’ muscles did multiply as womens’ only got fatter. This totally ruined the practicality of making women more powerful and more loved. What a nazi, Zionist beeeatch Gloria is. One step forward and infinite steps into a twisted confused ball of symbols.

7/12/2007 07:35:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Okay, no apoplepsy intended:

This is what gets me. This “inside source” says:

Most of the elements used in the spray are heavier than air, even in their powdered form they are heavier and will sink quickly. Mixing them with the polymers suspends the particles in the atmosphere high above the surface for longer periods of time, therefore in theory we do not need to spray as often or as much material.

Interesting. So how is adding more mass, this polymer, supposed to make aluminum lighter. I thought by conservation of energy and mass that by adding more mass to a mass it is impossible to not add more mass. This is a suspicious ambiguity for an insider. That is why I am suspicious. That’s all. Okay?

This stuff screams of the stuff of Jeff’s Conspiracature piece. Reread it if you don’t believe me.

Jeff, do you hate me? Please read this entire thread (if you can manage the time with the family and all) and tell me if think I am hopelessly hypocritical and dodgy.

Mark, It’s not surprising that the person who started out with your first answer to Jeff’s piece on the irrelevance of the Libby “straw man,” you, and it must have been deliberate since it was in such obvious opposition to Jeff’s point, started dissecting the legalities of the Libby case, which is about as pertinent as discussing in a graduate level sociology class the topic of “Michael Jackson, John Mark Karr, and how they single-handedly perverted a once innocent nation” with total seriousness and academic dedication and zeal.

I have to say that I was excited by several of Jeff’s writings…so I checked out some of the conversations. Now I can say thanks to Mark, my excitement is waning, my balloon deflating. I thought great, someone finally willing to read between the between the lines. Obviously there are people out in the world who don’t want their millions of man hours spent erecting MegaIllusion2000TM to be wasted. They don’t want the trillion-dollar straw man to be outed.

7/12/2007 08:05:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

You know what's funny? When I do a google search for my blog morecasuistry.blogspot.com I get a "No Matches Found" message. For no other blog do I get this message. Huh? I smell a rat.

Of course you realize, this means war. Blood, killing poloce, murdering busymin, finding anyone with a suit and tie and totuing them. That is the only answer. Fucn you if you don't agree. I hate those who control all electrical communion. You all will fucning die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7/12/2007 10:23:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Mark..The Ontario Health Services did a study on pollution and stated that it was PM <2,5 (particulate matter less than 2.5 micron, that was the hazardous quotient that bypassed the lung and entered the body and blood. The diseases mentioned from air pollution are numerous and not too surprising but my question which you seemed to miss in your last response is how do they justify a reflective value for these 10 micron or less metals? This ties into my comments and others responses to my flashlight versus sunlight question. If the sky is full of these metals, would they not be absorbing more heat/light than a clear sky which would allow over the horizon exposure to remain on that trajectory if the light wasn't "stopped" by the 10 micron metals? Again, my point here is that they (TPTB) are desperate to warm up the planet so that their oily buddies can drill for oil once the ice caps, glaciers and permanent ice at the poles has melted away. The values posited in the whistleblower link I posted above suggested that 1%-2% of light/heat would be reflected away from the planet. My suggestion here is that pumping all that material into the atmosphere (as you have indicated is unbelievably and routinely extreme) and must be contributing to warming if no where else, at least the ionsphere. Is that not part of the earth's weather? Would not this heat mix to the surface?

7/12/2007 10:51:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

mark

http://www.questionsquestions.net/gatekeepers.html

This is the link that didn’t work which “proves” that IndyMedia and all other college radio is run by Them. It really is a truism in circles I run in so I was surprised anyone objected to my saying it.

Eric, the question about artificially manufactured global warming by reflecting and absorbing more heat and light into the atmosphere is a good, sound, worthy hypothesis. I will give it some thought and add my two cents later. It might take a while, as with anything that has to do with gases and EMs is extremely difficult to analyze as so many variables are at play, especially without quantitative data. Thanks for the inspiration.

In short, yes, more atmospheric material which has the capacity to absorb more energy in the atmosphere proportional to the thickness of the atmosphere with respect to the sun would add to the energy in the atmosphere. Without matter outside of our atmosphere to vibrate (heat up), this energy is earthbound completely, with no place else to go. According to modern physics, the only form of energy that these particles could release into space is photons (or other EM spectrum “wave/particles” which can travel in a vacuum), but there is no evidence of photons (or other “wave/particles” depending on the band gap of the particles) being released to my knowledge. If there was more visible light at night, that would be suspect in that the material would be absorbing energy then giving off photons when electrons (in the conduction/valence band) go back into a resting state. If one could measure the amount of ambient radiation of all wavelengths and compare it to trends before chemtrail spraying, this would be a good start. Google “band gap of aluminum” to find the energy given off by electrons going from and exited state to a resting state in an aluminum atom. Or any other band gap of, say, barium, is gotten in the same manner if aluminum isn’t your primary suspect.

Wow. I never thought of this angle. Brilliant!!!!!!! Now that’s what I’m talking about!!!!

Have you ever heard of the Balmer, Paschen, or Bhor series? These are different “quanta” measured by each namesake when electron go from an excited state to a resting state. When electrons do this, they give off a consistent radiation that is consistent with their band gap. If you are talking about one element, is the same exact radiation every time for each energy level traversed, that is, hydrogen gives off the same exact wavelength every time an electron goes from the second to the first energy level. This is how solar cells work, essentially, except with solar cells, the electrons remain excited to enable them to be conducted through the semi-conductor material.

7/13/2007 01:31:00 AM  
Blogger the author said...

omnimental said:

In other words, science, like anything else, is a continuum: there are many forms. To me it has been obvious that real science and awareness of the real giant continuum is being practiced, but only by a few radicals and then on a huge scale by the giants of industry. To be successful, they need to know as much about reality as possible. When they find out, they classify it and use it only to their advantage.



Oh yes. One of the reasons I never became a scientist is that I like science too much. Specifically, I find all scientific fields to be fascinating to one extent or another -- astrophysics, acoustics, molecular biology, psychology, anthropology, whatever. I'm a generalist. However, the modus operandi in academe is to splinter, sub-splinter, sub-sub-splinter. Everything is, let's say, compartmentalized, and precious little seems to be shared across those compartments and synthesized into a Big Picture.

Except --

Except somewhere, there is a Bureau of Complete Integration of All Knowledge -- kind of like the great secret college that Bacon describes in his story about Atlantis -- that monitors every discovery made anywhere, collects it, analyzes it, integrates it, applies it. But that capability is never made available to the public. It is monopolized by Them.

On the question of what is science: Humans are fallible and political creatures; therefore, science, as a human activity, is every bit as politicized and irrational as any other. Scientists seem to follow the herd in roughly equal percentage to humanity as a whole. Scientists are as prone to bias and superstition as anyone; their superstitions are only more sophisticated. And to say "Science says x" itself begs the question: What is "Science"? A method of investigation? A certain group of academically credentialed people? An establishment of academic, government and corporate institutions? The opinion of a scientist? The opinion of a majority of scientists at a given time? The opinion of a few "leading" (i.e. elite-favored) scientists? The entire body of knowledge amassed by scientists? Only articles published in major peer-reviewed scientific journals?

There is no one thing called "Science" any more than there is any one thing called "Terror." (Bad analogy maybe, but it should ring a bell with folks here) Like terror, science is a method, not an entity. There are hundreds of thousands of "credentialed and recognized" people called scientists -- not all of whom actually spend a substantial portion of their careers actually utilizing the scientific method; There are God knows how many amateur scientists. Anyone can do science, since anyone can observe and perform experiments.

So, best be careful when anyone says "Science says x ..." or "science does y .." "Science" can't "say" or "do" anything.

(Incomplete thoughts to someday be fleshed out for an essay -- perhaps a chapter in one of my many future books -- called "They Blinded us With Science.")
(africkinamerican)

7/13/2007 02:59:00 AM  
Blogger the author said...


Cindy Sheehan called on the peace movement to organize independently of the bankrupt two-party system. She also supported a new inquiry into 9/11. The peace movement needs a new strategy, and we are here in Philadelphia because we have taken Cindy Sheehan’s call seriously. We appeal to leftists, progressives, conservatives, libertarians, independents, and those entering or re-entering politics to transcend the artificial divisions that have diminished their impact. The anti-war, impeachment, anti-globalization, labor, civil rights, veterans, anti-tax, civil liberties, honest election, and 9/11 truth movements – along with civic and progressive religious groups and other issue groups -- have been weakened too long by single issues and narrow focus. It is time for these movements to unite as a national coalition on a common platform for independent action."



WOW!

It's about time someone said this.

-- africkinamerican

7/13/2007 05:31:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

IC, if you are going through the looking glass, please take care and best wishes to you.

7/13/2007 08:16:00 AM  
Blogger drumbo said...

AUSTIN SPARE:

just another dick said:


"Spare has an entire mythology built around him. Although many "believers" appear to subscribe to them, most stoies have the appearance of those ubiquitous "friend-of-a-friend" tales that, in the end, have all the substance of smoke.

Of course, Spare became increasingly disillusioned with the "occult" in his later years, so maybe the message isn't so much, " Fear us; we too are sorcerers," as it is "Fear us, cause we sure look like sorcerers, don't we?"

But, in the spirit of Oz-like Wizards everywhere, once the curtain is pulled back, all you're really stuck with is a pudgy guy with a control fetish."



Spare is a historical figure, therefore what we know of him is limited to published testimonial from those who personally knew him. There are many such anecdotes in print and on the web regarding Spare's legendary power as a sorcerer. Of course, if your belief system precludes the existence or efficacy of magic, then ipso facto these anecdotes must be fabrications, part of a general "mythology", and those who do not share your doubts are mere "believers", as distinguished from those who possess direct access to truth, fact and certainty.

Regarding your assertion : "of course, Spare became increasingly disillusioned with the occult in his later years". Strangely I have never before seen this asserted in print. The biographical sketches i have seen ( Kenneth Grant, Peter Carroll, Jaq Hawkins ) all suggest that Spare remained active as a sorcerer to the end of his life; his disillusionment being more towards the high society cliques that had once celebrated his art - see "the anathema of zos" - he chose to retire from public view and live in poverty and relative obscurity, albeit still practicing his craft.

What you will find with any "oz-type magician", should you adhere to the hardcore scepticism of the materialist, is that you can only but see them as some kind of charlatan or sad,deluded figure ("pudgy guy with a control fetish") , since the powers they claim to possess cannot exist in a rational world.

Unfortunately the scientific materialist is one of the most conservative of thinkers, and there is very little that will disavow him of this certainty. Faced with the miraculous he will refuse the evidence of his own eyes.


So maybe for the sake of brevity the message isn't so much "I know what i am talking about" as "I cannot believe in the reality of magick".

7/13/2007 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Oops, sorry eric, in my round about way of analysis late last night, I forgot to say the most important tidbit that might answer your question:

When metal crystals absorb radiation, if they don’t give off energy in the form of a particle, their lattices vibrate, causing them to heat up. This is proven without a doubt. It is the main issue with LED’s or fluorescent bulbs or vacuum tubes. In other words, those three applications depend on this theory.

7/13/2007 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger omnimental said...

I just erased a huge bit of info.

Anyway here it is again.

Try

matweb.com

for a comprehensive list of properties of aluminum oxide.

Then

here

for a safty data sheet.

Then here for and explanation of optical and electrical properties of aluminum oxide.

Just so you know, aluminum oxide is fairly inert, it won't dissolve in water. However, with respect to some compounds, it could react. It has relatively low heat capacity, low thermal conductivity, a very high band gap, and thus low electrical conductivity, being a ceramic insulator. The high band gap assures its not being able to give off light. It might give off higher frequency radiation in the perfect conditions, but mostly it can absorb heat when bombarded by solar radiation and give it off to the surrounding material (in this case, air)

Hope this helps.

7/13/2007 12:08:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Omni..I think we're going for a bit more than global warming. This buildup of energy on the lattice or edge of the crystal is stored energy. Since the aluminum eventually makes it's way to the surface, we have to assume that this storage of energy from the sun, be it electrons or more likely a vibration in the infra red to ultra violet spectrum of the sun's radiation fixed or hardened in the aluminum silicate is in fact "capturing or if you like photoning" the sun in real time/space. Something like a virgin sun essence. It would have done something else had that "essence" impinged you or me but in fact, it has been filtered. I think "they" are after a "cosmic consciousness" filter. The message may not have been for you or me but we may be a medium for the planet as may every other living entity, and by filtering the "message" by locking up the transmission on the lattice of an aluminum silicate crystal, their work is done. Another way of putting it: Souls are piling up on the planet waiting for that "tunnel of light" but the tunnel has been closed and the loop has been hijacked. In other words, the Creator is not getting his feedback which has been hijacked by the evil forces that control this planet. ( I know, you want me to drop something heavy on my big head this time.)

7/13/2007 02:55:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Sounder,

You are both very perceptive and kind. Yes, I’ve been having something like Douglas Adams’ “dark tea-time of the soul,” but I seem to be stabilizing again. I can’t say much about it right now, as I had another shock to my system yesterday in the form of a surgery which literally ripped my insides out. I can’t sit here very long, but there are a few things I’d like to say.

First off, Drew Hempel is not crazy. If you read his Epicenters of Justice, you’ll find both the very sound basis of nondualism which you yourself promote and the seeds of this Pythagorean nightmare. (As well as a deep concern for social justice, which is what brought him to my attention in the first place.)

You ask, among other things, where I find this stuff. The truth is that it sort of finds me. Sure, maybe I do initiate contact by writing about the ideas which resonate with me, but then those sympathetic elements “vibrate back” once they take notice of me. The internet is alive, if chaotic.

The tailspin into which I fell upon reading Drew’s Mothership was caused by my own naïveté. I quite stupidly assumed that the knowledge of the underlying harmony of Nature could or would only be put to good use, as in those positive energy coefficient houses and the restructuring of our technology and society according to Schauberger’s biomimical insights into the structure of Nature.

This was such foolishness on my part. It’s not that such a restructuring wouldn’t work—the problem is that I seemed to have forgotten who Schauberger was working for and who stole his life’s work—the Nazis. How many times, and in how many different ways have we said that while the Germans may have lost the war, the Nazis still won?

The Order of the Black Sun was never entirely controlled by Himmler’s gothic cult. Another lesson we’ve learned is to follow the money. The Nazis would never have come to power in the first place, much less been able to fight against the combined industrial might of the West and the sheer vast numbers of the Red Army if they hadn’t been assisted all along by the elite-owned corpocracy. When the war finally ended, the fruits of “the other side’s” research was harvested by the various, supposedly competing military intelligence arms of the same true Black Order.

What Drew has revealed goes far beyond what Joe Farrell, Nick Cook and the other researchers ever suspected. The Master Plan never died. Radio-eugenics and even scarier stuff has been set into motion now. Just like the first time around, the madmen behind this scheme really believe they are acting in humanity’s best interests by pushing the button on the ‘final’ phase of human evolution. They even use the same terminology we invoke with reverence:

Cosmic Consciousness.

The crucial distinction is that we tend to believe that such an evolution is a matter of personal choice and inner struggle, while these bastards want to imminentize the Eschaton and they don’t much care who might die in the process.

I’m leaving out a lot of detail here, but you guys know most of the pieces of this story already.

My momentary disillusionment was simply in finding that my puny, humano-centric Pythagoreanism had been subsumed by the Owners' intrinsically sinister plan. What surprise is it really that any given technology can be put to either good or bad use?

As soon as the bleeding stops, I might even start to feel better about all this…as hope springs eternally unbidden. Again. And I'm still going to build those houses and I'm still going to spread the gospel of the true knowledge that those bastards have misappropriated once again.

Movie Girl, aren't the bad guys always supposed to be one step ahead until the final scene?

7/13/2007 03:16:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

It is Friday the 13th

Gold closed at $666.00

What is to be made of this?

Showing that they do control the signifiers, perhaps?

7/13/2007 07:24:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"Conspiracy theories are like black holes-they suck in everything that comes their way, regardless of content or origin...Everything you've ever known or experienced, no matter how "meaningless," once it contacts the conspiratorial universe, is enveloped by and cloaked in sinister significance."
Donna Kossey

"There must always be room for coincidence....When there's not, you're probably well into apophenia, each thing then perceived as part of an overarching pattern of conspiracy. And while conforting yourself with the symmetry of it all...you stood all too real a chance of missing the genuine threat, which was invariably less symmetrical, less perfect."
William Gibson


"Imagine a Roman centurion discovers, through some unknown time glitch, a laptop computer.
Would he be able to "back engineer" it?

Why not?

If not, given only a 2000 year technology difference and being as human as the laptop designer, then how can any human be expected to "back-engineer" something seemingly incredibly advanced & also completely alien?"



Interview between Errol Morris(Fog of War, The Thin Blue Line) & Adam Curtis(The Power of Nightmares):

I. ONE MAINE

EM: The Power of Nightmares uses a substantial quantity of archival material and stock-footage. I call it re-processed media. Perhaps a better expression would be re-purposed media. It’s different from the traditional use of found footage in news documentaries. Here stock-footage becomes expressionistic – never literal – an excursion into a dream – or, if you prefer – nightmare. I tried at various times in the last six months to find out why The Power of Nightmares is not being shown in the United States. The archival material from the BBC library has been cleared for use in the UK but not worldwide.

AC: It’s not physical censorship, although none of the TV networks want to show it. Something I always wanted to ask you, was McNamara happy with the way you cut him?

EM: No, he was not happy. But I'm not sure that anything would’ve made him happy. He never said this to me directly, but he did tell Craig, his son, that he liked the movie.

AC: I thought you treated him just fine. You were ambiguous. It was difficult to know what you thought about him.


EM: I still don’t know what I think. The New York Times, today on the front page, had an article about new evidence concerning incidents in the Gulf of Tonkin in August 1964. The incidents – which are discussed in The Fog of War – have been disputed for over forty years. There are those that believe that they were part of a conspiracy to escalate the Vietnam War. Here’s a question: Are they right? And, in an even more general sense, is history primarily a history of conspiracy? Or is it just a series of blunders, one after the other? Confusions, self-deceptions, idiocies of one kind or another?

AC: It’s the latter. Where people do set out to have conspiracies, they don’t ever end up like they're supposed to. History is a series of unintended consequences resulting from confused actions, some of which are committed by people who may think they're taking part in a conspiracy, but it never works out the way they intended. For example, you could say the Gulf of Tonkin was a conspiratorial action to accelerate entry into war, yes?

EM: Here’s the conspiracy argument. The Johnson administration wanted to escalate the war in Vietnam. But they needed a pretext. And so they provoked these two incidents in the Gulf of Tonkin in order to get Congressional approval for escalation. The claim is: they had a grand plan. And the plan was war. I’ve never had much of an appetite for conspiracy theories. Here's my argument in a nutshell. People are too much at cross purposes with each other, too stupid, too self absorbed to ever effectively conspire to do anything.

AC: “Just too self-absorbed” is the key element. To make a conspiracy work, you have to see it from all different angles to make sure the plan works. They don’t. Every time you ever read transcripts or detailed descriptions of what goes on at high level policy decisions - I'm sure it’s true of the Kennedy administration, I'm sure it’s true today in the Bush administration - The arguments, the self-absorption, the disagreements and the narcissism are incredible. And I'm sure the Gulf of Tonkin thing probably emerged as a compromise between lots of different people arguing as much as from a single, clear principle.

EM: Here’s something that has puzzled me about the Gulf of Tonkin incidents. If you wanted to create a pretext to go to war, why go to the trouble of creating two pretexts?

AC: When you just need one?

EM: There weren’t two Maines. We needed only one Maine in order to go to war with Spain.

AC: That’s a good question, why did they need two incidents?

EM: Conspiracies imply that someone, somewhere, is in control of what’s going on. But history is the product of people out of control. What interests me in your work is your obsession with ideas and their unforeseen consequences.

AC: Once an idea gets legs, it has its own internal logic that tends to take over. Yeah. I'm a great believer in unintended consequences. I'm part of that generation that’s actually against the grand plans of McNamara’s generation… I mean, they genuinely believed that they could plan things, didn't they?

EM: Yes.

AC: That idea was born out of an incredible optimism. But I was brought up in the 70’s during a period of economic crisis – a result of all those attempts in Britain and America and the Soviet Union to plan things. So I never shared that optimism. How could you believe that you could mathematically work out how to pacify a village? They genuinely believed that there was a sort of rational way of doing this. That rationality can be applied to create rational solutions. It’s the idea that you can apply a sort of technocratic rationality to a physical situation, believing you’re neutral. What's fascinating about someone like McNamara is that he believed he was neutral. He didn't really seem to think of himself as a political being. He was a manager. But the approach toward Iraq is different. The Bush Administration are moralists, whereas McNamara didn't see himself that way. He saw himself as solving a technical problem. Oddly enough, the person I have the most sympathy with in the face of all this is Henry Kissinger. When people say to me, “Oh yeah, The Power of Nightmares a left wing film,” I argue, “Well, how can this be a left wing film when I make Henry Kissinger one of the heroes?” Kissinger had this completely amoral attitude. He did what was necessary in order to make the geopolitics of the world work. But that was a very interesting reaction to the chaos of the ‘70s. You just do what's necessary. But of course that didn't help him when he went and bombed Cambodia. Have you thought about filming Kissinger?

EM: No, not really. I like tortured characters, and I don't know how tortured Kissinger really is.

AC: I suspect you would never find out.

EM: McNamara is a more puzzling figure. It’s one of the things that makes him interesting. He’s difficult to dismiss as an out and out monster, even though undeniably many of the things he did were monstrous.

AC: That's the traditional liberal way of dismissing bad people. He doesn't think of himself as a monster, does he?

EM: No.

AC: And that’s actually what's interesting. He knows that in some ways what he did could be considered monstrous, but he doesn’t think of himself as a monster. And that's presumably the root of his torture and puzzlement about it. But no one thinks of themselves as really bad, do they?

EM: People prefer to be the hero of their life story rather than the villain.

AC: Quite.

EM: It’s that internal space, what people imagine themselves as doing.

AC: Yes, as opposed to what really is happening.

EM: I think that’s at the heart of what I really like about The Power of Nightmares.

II. NOTIONAL MOLES

EM: I would be remiss if I didn’t mention the sheer perversity of The Power of Nightmares.

AC: Perverse?

EM: I’ll give you an example of a perverse argument – that Johnny Mercer brought down the World Trade Center. [The Power of Nightmares traces the odd career trajectory of Qutb, a founder of Islamic fundamentalism, to a high-school in Denver, Colorado and a senior prom where the students danced to Mercer’s Baby It’s Cold Outside. ]

AC: The person I love best in the whole world is a sociologist from the late 19th century named Max Weber who believed that ideas have consequences. People have experiences out of which they form ideas. And those ideas have an effect on the world. It is true that a man listening to music back in 1949 had an experience that became one of the rivulets that ran into his formation of an idea. And that idea, in a very strange way, led people to do destroy the World Trade Center. Now, of course, that's the construction and maybe people prefer to believe that history is much more complicated. Which, of course, it is. But the construction has a truth to it. It shows dramatically how particular experiences form particular ideas with particular consequences. Even though it doesn’t actually ever work out the way the person who had the idea intended. It’s perverse, but it’s also a way of dramatizing to people how ideas work, how history works - in a different way from all those boring history programs on American television that try to explain the world to you. They just make it dull.

EM: It’s not just dullness. There’s a received idea about how to do history.

AC: Well, what would you describe that as being?

EM: The balanced viewpoint. I’ve heard so many arguments about it. The Fog of War doesn’t provide a new generation – a generation born after the 60’s and 70’s – with a context. It doesn’t tell us what to think. But it allows you to get a glimpse of what this person was thinking. Even if it’s colored by a desire to make himself look better or to skew what he’d done or create some revisionist interpretation of the past, whatever, he’s still in that process of engaging his past – what he thought then and what he thinks now.

AC: Yes. And also, you judge him, like you judge anyone you listen to. I'm very suspicious of this idea of a balanced version of history, All history is a construction – often by the powerful. What I do is construct an imaginative interpretation of history to make people look again at what they think they know. I like to ask people, “Have you thought of this?” Like zooming up in a helicopter and looking at the ground, looking at the world in a new way. Because I think that so much of this interpretation of events is a deadening repetition agreed upon by certain people, a sort of collectivity of news reports. And often it’s completely wrong. But somehow, they all agree on it. People criticized my film by saying things like, “Why aren’t you balanced? What aren’t you putting in the other views?” And my response was, “What if the other view is wrong?” That’s the real problem of the balanced view - what's called ‘perceived wisdom.’ What if perceived wisdom’s wrong? What if – when you go and look at the evidence for sleeper cells in America – there doesn’t appear to be anything there? You know, that's the difficult area. And so it becomes up to you to judge whether to go against perceived wisdom or not.

EM: And what if the people who deeply believe in something that isn’t there – like sleeper cells - They really believe it, for whatever reason? Ron Rosenbaum, a friend of mine, has written a number of articles on James Jesus Angleton and the CIA. [Angleton was the head of counter-intelligence during the height of the Cold War.]

AC: Oh, yes.

EM: He talked about “notional moles” in the article. And the notional mole – according to Rosenbaum – is that you make the other side believe that you’ve planted a mole in their midst without ever having actually planted a mole. This is very much an Adam Curtis idea. You drive them insane.

AC: Because they're looking for something that doesn’t actually exist.

EM: Exactly.

AC: Well, that's what I was trying to do. What I’m trying to say to people is: “Look, you do face a terrorist threat, as is obvious from the attacks on America and more recently on my country. But you're looking in the wrong place. You’ve created this sort of phantom enemy, which is a disorganized network. When in fact what you're actually facing is an idea that springs up all over the place.” You've created a notional enemy that’s driving you mad looking for it, when in fact, it’s something else entirely. And that's when I went back and tried to explain the ideas. I thought that was much more important for people to understand. Because when something that doesn’t exist becomes perceived wisdom, people tend to go slightly bonkers. That's sort of the mood of our times. I like the idea of a notional mole, it’s good. Because no one ever found one, did they?

EM: No. And they still don’t know to this day whether—

AC: There really was a real mole?

EM: Whether the mole was notional or real.

AC: Because, of course, that might be another trick as well. You release a piece of information through the real mole to say—Well, we think it’s a notional mole.

EM: But in The Power of Nightmares, it’s not a notional mole planted by the enemy.

AC: No, we created it ourselves.

EM: Yes. It’s a form of self-fertilization, parthenogenesis.

AC: To be honest, the neoconservatives are their own worst enemy. They’ve created something out of their own fevered imagination, which was borne out of the Cold War. That's one of the great unexamined areas – how recently the Cold War ended and how so many of our institutions and our mindset and everything is still trapped in that. And that's also true of a lot of journalists who are—I mean, I’m not so sure in America, but in my country, a lot of the senior journalists had a very good Cold War and still have that mentality as well. They hang on to it. You know, that's why they kept on thinking there were hidden things out there in Iraq. I don’t think they made it up, I think they genuinely believed it in Iraq. Because that's what the Soviets were like. They hid these things.

EM: It’s far more frightening than the idea that they were knowingly peddling lies. The more frightening version is they truly believed in all of it.

AC: I think that's true. And it was after that sort of self-created fantasy that they could then go to war. I mean, that's weird, isn’t it?

EM: They had to go to war, because if their fantasies are true, it would be horribly irresponsible not to go to war. Munich all over again.

AC: You get trapped by this. Trapped by a false idea. That's what I was trying to describe in The Power of Nightmares. Once you get trapped by your imagination, you think the worst and therefore you have to plan for the worst. It becomes a self-fulfilling thing.

III. MUNICH

EM: Take historical analogies. I believe that historical analogies are always wrong. This a long discussion, but, to me, the most dangerous thing about Chamberlain’s capitulation to Hitler at Munich is not the fact that Munich happened and it led to further Nazi aggression and so on and so forth, but that the example of Munich has been used to support thousands upon thousands of bad policies and inappropriate decisions. LeMay called JFK’s recommendation for a “quarantine” (that is, a blockade) in the Cuban Missile Crisis “worse than Munich”. Would nuclear war have been a better alternative? But nuclear war was averted by Kennedy’s policies. And thirty years later the Soviet Union collapsed without the need for nuclear war. Was LeMay right? I don’t think so. But again, the example of Munich was invoked to justify the invasion of Iraq. Appeasing Saddam, appeasing Hitler. The use of the Munich analogy does not clarify, it obscures. History is like the weather. Themes do repeat themselves, but never in the same way. And analogies became rhetorical flourishes and sad ex post facto justifications rather than explanations. In the end, they explain nothing.

AC: That's right. Last night on television someone who was pro-the Iraq war was saying that the alliance between the insurgents in Iraq and the foreign fighters is the equivalent of the Nazi-Soviet pact and that that's what we’re really fighting against. It’s all so weird. That the men who sit in neon-lit rooms with very nicely done tables and who question you and tell you things, are actually weird.

EM: Yeah. Well, as we all know, the banal and the weird are not incompatible.

AC: That's the whole point - that's what's so fascinating about our time. The banal and the weird are one and the same thing.

EM: Yes. They hold hands.

7/13/2007 11:27:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Sounder said:
It is Friday the 13th

Gold closed at $666.00

What is to be made of this?

Showing that they do control the signifiers, perhaps?


No, that would be too much of a coincidence. Here I am, just having joined the discussion here at the most open-minded political analysis blog...and then a symbol. That's way too coincidental for even me.

People really are too self absorbed to conspire to make such a symbol at such a providential time as this. They think they are part of a conspiracy but then they realize that they aren't even really speaking the same language as their closest business associate. The fact is, no one really even knows what value, currency, time, blood sweat and tears are. That is why the wacky coicidental Federal Reserve Act comedy of errors blunder was to be another happenstance of history...and why the stock market happened to crash while several successful businessmen got out of the market rich in 1929.

Organized crime now has the best alibi of all: plausible deniability of their intelligence.

But when their rite to rule is in question, they are the grand, united seers of the universe, the masters.

Hell, and the Infinite Standard Multiple, now playing at a theatre near you.

I can see I don't belong here. When someone suggests that the final plausible deniability is that the conspiracy actually believes the lies it tells and this someone is not immediately challenged by everyone, this is when I bow out and say adieu, ungentlemen, adieu.

P.R. agencies, think tanks by the hundreds, lodges, meetings, etc., etc, etc.: still, these things are mere hopeful planning sessions that leave random variables to chance and that provide realization of hazy goals at best. There isn't a global gang shooting a 24/7 movie in real time, it is just a bunch of indoctrinated stooges who actually believe that the drug trade is run by 4.876257 Jihadi extremists. This isn't an end run on the part of the global gang to allay any fears of their existence when the shit hits the fan. Noooooo.

On one hand, it is conceeded that the military can win major battles by maneuvering with their trident most tactfully. One the other hand, when the powers that be are accused of succeeding at less noble causes, they are hopeless, desparate leaders who were chosen and forced into their position--reluctant messiahs all of them--and who have to do the best they can to scramble in a dignified frenzy to fill holes in the dyke as they spring open.

This is exactly what Chomsky says: there is no conspiracy, just a system of indoctrination that fits and works because everyone is stupider than all of us here at RI: they never question anything. They are totally numb. When they go home at night, they watch T.V. too. There is no possible way that they could deduce the kinds of grounds for suspicions that we here at Rigorous Intuition can. Then Chomsky goes to bank,cashes his check, and calls "Boys Night In Adult Entertainment."

It's too bad Jeff. All this potential spent by a flood of blog infiltrators out to drown any fleeting moments of intellectual power with plausible deniability (predictable cowardice).

Goodbye cruel blog.

7/14/2007 01:40:00 AM  
Blogger muddy elephant said...

Sounder:

On the Lord/Vassal systems:

Just to click back a couple of perspective notches towards a more evolutionary scale is a 1987 article by Jared Diamond--

btw--I wonder why his name hasn't popped up more on this blog as he generally hits on a lot of the themes here: ecology, population density, dangers of an elite class, civilizational progress/collapse,etc...?

Anyways I found this article examines the roots of authority before there even was what we would recognize as authority now.

"The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race"

here's an excerpt:"Besides malnutrition, starvation, and epidemic diseases, farming helped bring another curse upon humanity: deep class divisions. Hunter-gatherers have little or no stored food, and no concentrated food sources, like an orchard or a herd of cows: they live off the wild plants and animals they obtain each day. Therefore, there can be no kings, no class of social parasites who grow fat on food seized from others. Only in a farming population could a healthy, non-producing élite set itself above the disease-ridden masses."

just_another_dick:

Appreciate the anti-anti viewpoint. I'm certainly not one to dismiss the validity of the viewpoints that are presented on this blog or obviously I wouldn't be here.

I'm frustrated and confused by the chaos and stupidity I see around me(and in me) every day. But I try to find my solace in discussion and not necessarily in immovable answers or explanations or whatever.

Here's a longer quote I thought relevant to the situation at hand:

"There comes a time in the lives of many long-term activists when symbolic victories, rare even as these can be sometimes, are no longer enough. There comes a time when many of these activists get burned out, discouraged and demoralized. Many fight despair. I think fighting against this despair is a mistake. I think this despair is often an unacknowledged, embodied, understanding that the tactics they’ve been using aren’t accomplishing what they want and the goals they’ve been seeking are insufficient to the crisis we face.

These activists get burned out and frustrated because they’re trying to achieve sustainability within a system that is inherently unsustainable. They can never win. No wonder they get discouraged. But instead of really listening to these feelings, they so often take a couple of weeks off and then dive back into trying to put the same old square pegs into the same old round holes. The result: more burnout, more frustration, more discouragement, and the salmon keep dying.

What would happen if we listened to these feelings of being burnt out, discouraged, demoralized, and frustrated? What would those feelings tell us? Is it possible they could tell us that what we’re doing isn’t working, and so we should try something else? Perhaps they’re telling us to switch metaphors. That we should stop trying to save scraps of soap in a concentration camp and try to bust out of the whole camp."
--Derrick Jensen writer, eco-activist

omni said:

"Goodbye cruel blog."

Don't go all comfortably numb on us. I happen to like your sarcasm, among other things.

7/14/2007 05:34:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

omni said;

"I can see I don't belong here. When someone suggests that the final plausible deniability is that the conspiracy actually believes the lies it tells and this someone is not immediately challenged by everyone, this is when I bow out and say adieu, ungentlemen, adieu."

The conspiricy formulates the lies so that they are believable (rather than being believed by themselves.)

You do belong here omni, it is only the rationalist side of your mind that objects. Was I stupid to point out something so banal? I will admit to loads of ignorance so please help me out. I do not get where the nasty nasties are granted plausible deniability.

Omni in reference to your earlier question, (not that you care anymore, man life must move fast for you) I never intended to 'blog'. I simply wanted to post a couple of essays to see what people may think of them. Not much as it happens.

7/14/2007 09:47:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

I don't ever have a complete thought when I start blogging. That has the advantage of an open mind when I read the comments posted since my last visit. I was surprised to learn that the black hole or euphemistically called the memory hole in these circles was first postulated in "1984". Which of course, was written in 1948. To get on the same page means diving into that memory hole and bringing it forward which requires holding one's breath to the detriment of many brain cells.

Don't expect much help retaining the historical continuity of what went before. That's why we have a nano war in the first place. The chemtrails, the flouride, the poor nutrition and on and on meant to shorten our lives and bury the dead. We all have to go eventually and it doesn't matter how long it takes if most are bent over their plough shares, "numbed" and numbered in the days gone bye.

7/14/2007 10:21:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Omni, were you refering to this stuff from just-another-dick (Richard)?

"There are those that believe that they were part of a conspiracy to escalate the Vietnam War. Here’s a question: Are they right? And, in an even more general sense, is history primarily a history of conspiracy? Or is it just a series of blunders, one after the other? Confusions, self-deceptions, idiocies of one kind or another?

AC: It’s the latter. Where people do set out to have conspiracies, they don’t ever end up like they're supposed to. History is a series of unintended consequences resulting from confused actions, some of which are committed by people who may think they're taking part in a conspiracy, but it never works out the way they intended. For example, you could say the Gulf of Tonkin was a conspiratorial action to accelerate entry into war, yes?

EM: Here’s the conspiracy argument. The Johnson administration wanted to escalate the war in Vietnam. But they needed a pretext. And so they provoked these two incidents in the Gulf of Tonkin in order to get Congressional approval for escalation. The claim is: they had a grand plan. And the plan was war. I’ve never had much of an appetite for conspiracy theories. Here's my argument in a nutshell. People are too much at cross purposes with each other, too stupid, too self absorbed to ever effectively conspire to do anything.

If so, You are right in that Richard generally posts material that reflects his fatalistic and materialistic take on life. If I am reading you better this time, by all means have at him.

7/14/2007 12:24:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Muddy elephant quoted another dude thusly:

"Only in a farming population could a healthy, non-producing élite set itself above the disease-ridden masses."

It is too bad that agribusiness and their partners…oops, the FDA, USDA, and agribusiness cannot be planning together since it is physically impossible and it is just a coincidence that government agencies and big business have a revolving door hiring policy, a revolving door that leads from one office to the other…

What I was going to say—before I remembered that JAD proved that the 20th century was an un-beautiful mistake—I was going to remind Muddy here, that in the early eighties, agribusiness and government made it very difficult for the small farmer to compete. “In 1983 there were 1,250,000 full-time commercial family farms in our nation. Today there are only about 350,000” (Vance Ferrel in International Meat Crisis, Altamont, TN: Harvestime. 2001). Clearly, at the time of Diamond’s article, some people had already thought of and responded to his day-late-and-a-dollar-short albeit threatening solution.

just_another_dick: see my suggestion 4 or 5 posts ago to ericswan to take out his dick and smash it in order to stay in touch with reality.

On another note, Thanks another_ dick: if not for you, I might never have been inspired to write this:


Private Dicks Are Watching You, Watching Your Every Move

I skimmed a July 16, 2007 U.S New and World Report feature article while waiting at the doctor’s office yesterday. It was about the presidential election that’s going to take place soon…in 15 months!

In the corner of one of the pages, there was a little blurb box. It said something like, “What to Watch: the blogosphere, as the independent voices there really tend to have their fingers on the pulses of election politics, so much so that stories broken on blogs are often covered by the mainstream media as a result,” probably complete with the non-sequitur analogy (voices don’t possess fingers).

I wonder if any of these here conversations will break onto the national scene. Probably not, since people are so blunderingly indoctrinated that they will see the logic here, the train of thought that is borne out of actual induction, deduction, and syllogism and find it totally against what they hold so dear and true: that the President of the United States really does run the country--no matter what 793 billionaires say—and that the “campaign trail,” indeed every nuance, gesture, fleeting quip, and eventually, past (but mundane) indiscretion of all 27 candidates needs to be prodded, poked, massaged, aggravated, hypnotized, then reported. While dramatically increasing economic, social, and psychological disparity between classes, balance sheets from the General Accounting Office, and low intensity conflicts taking place in “third world” counties all over the world need not be mentioned. Nor are the private lives of the 793 billionaires in the world ever to be mentioned; they guard their privacy with guns, not jealousy, like in every totalitarian state. Nor are the real private lives of candidates to be mentioned; they too are guarded by the same dirty guns.

I find it hard to believe that if I was a Yale educated reporter. Say with an M.A. in psychology, I could be so indoctrinated that, say, if there were ambulances and helicopters swarming the cities during a surprise mass epidemic, or something equally shocking and mind-blowing, I would wonder what all the hubbub was about and keep on with my story on how austerity measures by the World Bank and IMF need to be “balanced” with mass inoculations so that a healthy population can be ensured once the evil South American dictator of this certain object country agrees to allowing his citizens jobs in a “free market economy.” I could hardly see my own ignorance to the reality that hypothetical economic policies such these would surely have devastating effects. I could hardly see a situation such that when someone tells me about the economic sanctions in Iraq having killed 1,000,000 people throughout the 1990’s, and yet any article submitted to the totally objective editor will be rejected since that fact isn’t really fit to print, I would take this and be satisfied that there is no direct intention to censor the press, just a desire to be concise and objective. When such discretionary dissuasions denying my instincts about what is newsworthy took place daily for 20 years, I find it hard to believe that I wouldn’t catch on that perhaps there is only a certain line that should be solely spoken. I find it hard to imagine my being able to completely erase my memory in that case when I go into the editor’s office one day I see on his desk a book entitled: “Bilderburger Propaganda Index – 2007, Volume 8, Western Schpeel” I find it hard to believe that after I open up this book and see an alphabetical table of contents of every social, economic, political and psychological issue, and page numbers that point to pages that describe the current “viewpoint” that should be espoused on these issues, I would just think it was a romance novel that the editor forgot to hide in his drawer.

Honestly, it doesn’t take a genius, or maybe it does, to figure that of course if there is a gang of insiders with stations all around the country who control everything we see and hear on the television and newspapers from birth, then they wouldn’t want their existence to be uncovered, especially if they are guilty of many of the crimes they are using to justify mass imprisonment. If I was the devil, I would want everyone to think that I liked orphans, so I would give exactly two percent of my income to charity every year and call my great, big, huge pile of money a ‘philanthropic foundation.’ If they didn’t buy that, I would tell them that yes, I do make mistakes, but I am not malevolent, or even expedient.

You can’t tell me that if you were indoctrinated from birth amongst all of the megalomania of the upper class that you would simply be restricted to unknowingly contributing to the system out of habit, that deliberate subterfuge and domination were unnecessary so therefore unlikely and even impossible. There is evidence against this. There are records of people like Walter Lippman and Robert McNamara calling the masses a dangerous horde that needs to be placated with “necessary illusions.” Then there is Edward Bernays, the father of the public relations industry who said similar things. There is inductive reasoning justified in that the hundreds of people that come forward to destroy the evidence and the characters of the believers during cover-ups like the ones that take place all the time in ritual abuse cases are not merely playing some habitual role; they are deliberately and systematically using every tactic in the book to make sure that no one finds out that the outwardly self-righteous people who run this world are inwardly amoral and that by their own standards should be serving 90 consecutive life sentences. If everyone found out the realities of their religious amorality, their pragmatic expedience, the whole house of cards would fall, the whole foundation on which they rest every one of their illusorily indignant proclamations of selfless, obligatory leadership would crumble away, leaving every one of their acquiescent slaves to wonder “I wonder what it would be like if I didn’t have to fear God or Hell or Jail anymore? I wonder what it would be like if I had slaves of my own? I guess it’s okay to try out being a slave-driver myself: after all, it is God’s will!”

7/14/2007 01:34:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

A nice man with 45 magnum just came up to me on the street, showed me his weapon and said that I should start thinking differently about life, that it might be better for my health. He made me think:

I don’t know what I was thinking earlier. The accidental theory of history is the only thing that can explain the Federal Reserve’s ten year-cycle of pumping up the money supply by buying U.S. Bonds then, simultaneous with a sell-off panic mistakenly started by the media, selling those bonds to pull the cash from the market to send a stark signal to Wall Street. The only thing that can explain the fact that, in microeconomic theory, the idea of “economies of scale” states that a corporation has a benefit of scale only to a point and then the efficiency starts to decline again, showing a “U-shaped” cost curve, when in reality, the larger and larger the market share becomes, the more and more money you can make with less and less of a percentage in overhead, is the blunder and folly theory of information dissemination. The fact that I figured out the lie of the U-shaped curve as soon as I was presented it means that I am a super genius with a beautiful mind and no other economist is able to see what I see, as obviously as I see it (must be beginner’s luck). The fact is only a coincidence that it would indeed be motivating to the feudal rulers to dissuade any suspicious soul from worrying about all of the acquisitions that are taking place more and more every time there is a (accidental) market collapse. “Don’t worry suspicious consumer/worker,” they would say if they weren’t so ‘confused’, “the big corporations have that big U-shaped economies-of-scale cross to bear if they get too big, so don’t worry, they won’t grow themselves out of business into a monopoly or join an oligopoly.” It is just a coincidence that all through the 1800’s and up until 1913 there was an ongoing “war” (formulaic planned play of contrived opposition followed by implementation of anti-social legislation) between the rich and the superrich concerning the nature of how wealth and worth (money) should be symbolized and regulated and that then in 1913 what took place to protect and serve Americans was the banning of the protective tariff, the centralization and implementation of fractional reserve banking, and the income tax (and ‘philanthropic’ foundations’ ability to remain tax exempt by giving a mere two percent of their income to charity). The various money panics (talked about in mainstream history for Christ’s sake) created by the big New York bankers for the purpose of creating a pretext for 1913 was just a “Confusions, self-deceptions, [or] idiocies of one kind or another.” The fact that in 1915--at least according to the Congressional Record of the Second Session of the Sixty-Fourth Congress of United States from January 17, 1917, page 2947—“J.P. Morgan interests” got together twelve men (consultants in the news industry) to decide what were the 25 best newspapers, bought those newspapers, and finally installed their own editors is just a “blunder.”

7/14/2007 03:09:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Correction: The Congressional Record citing should read "February 17, 1917."

7/14/2007 03:13:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

A manual of how to model the universe from the inside out.

http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/Intergeometry.html

7/14/2007 08:12:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

http://www.akasha.de/

I bet the guy who runs this site hangs around coffee shops and nightclubs and has sexual intercourse with many, many young hippy/college girls searching for answers. They find answers, right in their vaginas, and the right answers too, for a while, until the guy gets bored and searches for the next tetrahedral tit…

When I was in my early twenties, I used to play guitar to get laid. It never worked, however, to my knowledge, even though I was pretty damn good, if I might be so realistic to say so myself (I am not one to subscribe to hierarchical humility in the face of authority).

It's funny, I have met many new-age spiritualists. They all have hated me, and I am serious, so serious that I will go to my death bed saying it. They all try to undermine me with the ladies because they know I produce more than just hot air. It usually works since most girls like carisma better than honesty and raw talent.

7/15/2007 12:00:00 AM  
Blogger omnimental said...

If the powers that be that arguably run the world are killing all Africans with AID$ drugs, then why do they supposedly practice rituals that honor Egyptian archetypes?????????

Could it be that disimformationists are trying to make the more curious of the humans think that the intelligncia is as superstitious as are the masses.

It is my contention that the powers that be study all religions, as all ancient religions had mapped human psychology, in their own way, back when the world consisted of more simple lifestyles that exhibited more natural humanity, nature that lent itself to intuitive perception and universal understanding.

The "best and brightest" do not think that slaughtering goats actually absolves their sins in the eyes of some supernatural force; they realize that distracting folks with a sacrifice of the sinner after rigorously defining "sinful" behavior will further convince their subjects of their own sinfulness and their leaders' own ruthlessness.

7/15/2007 02:24:00 AM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

If I am reading you better this time, by all means have at him.

You are such a sell-out, Sounder. You have no loyalty but to the clouds you so prominently occupy.

Richard just so happens to be one of the most "real" people who post to this forum....and I appreciate his rhetoric, stance and style. He is is pure, raw honesty (yes, speaking of honesty), and that's a breath of fresh air on a blog where so many create intellectual smog.

And, Omni, Eve is not like the women you describe. She appreciates my shrubberiness because she knows it's me and not some gimmick to plant myself in her garden.

Sounder, keep building for the fucks who keep fucking us....it's admirable. Just remember, it's not their money that pays you for your services....it's our expropriated birthright.

7/15/2007 08:47:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Scrubbybubble, How can Sounder be selling out to me? I have nothing to offer him but some well used sports socks and VCR without auto-tracking.


Dubbageddon said:
And, Omni, Eve is not like the women you describe. She appreciates my shrubberiness because she knows it's me and not some gimmick to plant myself in her garden.

I'm sorry, is that your site with all the dodecahedrons of the inner visceral dimension resonance of the tetrahedral chamber? I tried getting through it but I needed to eat some beans then watch some adult films...you know, my body has needs, so I fulfilled them, ahem, tetrahedrally of course.

Incidentally, I tried the "spiritual-before-the-physical" philosophy with my landlord last week when he asked for the rent: I said, "The fourth dimensional vorticular hexagon at the axial front has signatures of tetrahedral forces."

He said, "Okay, okay, just pay me next month and forget about this month."

I guess what is really important are the things that make you understand the geometrical workings of your energy sphere, though what I used to think was the way to live was physically protecting oneself from clear and present danger, then, upon completion of which, when security and safety can be assured, getting proficient at some vocation and getting some hobbies so that you could feel a sense of meaning, have something that sets you apart from other males in the mating pool. Sometimes though, all of the fancy tetrahedral geometry makes me worried that I am missing something much bigger than myself, which I probably am, but oh well, I'll never know more than the creator of the universe, or even how to program three-position gif files.

Shrubbydubba, who the hell said anything about Eve? What, now we are All About Eve? If you are suggesting that I am not being myself so I can have electronic sex with Eve, you are wrong. I am being my unpopular real self so that I can have hot, stinking sex with Eve if she is the right kind of girl that I want to have sex with. I could be like Richard and defend the status quo, then I could have a shot at Paula Zhan, Leeza Gibbons, Katie Couric, or chicks at the local watering holes in my town, you know the ones with dark tans and perfect hair wearing Abercrombie and Bitch belly-button-ring-showing T-shirts; they are a dime a dozen. Nope, instead, I am sticking to my guns despite the very real and likely possibility of long-term celibacy. Does Eve like Radical Mutha F***as with attitudes who are so suspicious as to think most conspiracy theorists are themselves contrived red-herrings? If she does, tell her to visit my blog and leave her number. I will definitely own my horniness, now that you bring it up.

Tell her I have been listening to punk rock since the 70's, death metal, and other radically political music. I have been in bands that played said music. I am a very, very minor rock star, but am indeed a rock star. I am the me-est me there is. I make no bones about my views unless I know it will be dangerous not to.

Yeah, Eve will probably have to settle with someone with a lot more secrets and self-designs than I could ever possible have. Tell her good luck.

7/15/2007 11:40:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Gee, I can't tell y'all how much I love playing the chicken head biting geek in this town of fundamentalist yoo-hoos.

I post a couple of quotes BY OTHER GODDAMN PEOPLE & suddenly I'm "defending the status quo."

Let's see, we have an interview with Mr. Curtis who has been linked to oodles of fuckin times here when people's (misguided) interpretations of what he had to say seemingly coincided with their own little favorite tentacle of the conspiracy beastie, but my posting his ACTUAL FUCKING THOUGHTS on HIS OWN GODDAMN FILM becomes defence of the status quo?

Jesus, you people are completely at sea, ain't ya?

& Omni ol' pal, you've been posting here a grand total of 20 seconds or so & you've already stomped your widdle feetsies & threatened to leave twice & you've also resorted to name calling.

Hmmmmmmmmmm....

....I'd say, Omni ol' paranoic ol' pal, that methinks you've exchanged any possible escape from a perpetual stunted adolescence for your virtuoso musical abilities that inspire kids to create miracles.

Don't see many miracles so I couldn't honestly testify to any intrinsic worth to your sacrifice.

& this quote is just fucking precious:

"They all try to undermine me with the ladies because they know I produce more than just hot air. It usually works since most girls like carisma (sic) better than honesty and raw talent."

Gee Oms, do I smell the oh so distinctive odor of sour grapes?

I think your "conspiracy of new-age spiritualists(?)" is just you mistaking some women's amazing ability to recognize a piss poor fuck when they see one.


&, since a select few here like to read quotes, become apoplectic name callers, & then succeed in making themselves look really fucking silly, here's a nice long one to boil yourselves in oil with:



"Conspiracy thinking, by its nature, is a product of either extreme conditions or an extreme state of mind. If it appeals to the deracinated, it may well be no less attractive to minds not so much deprived of meaning as inhabiting worlds overburdened with significance. Literalist forms of both Christianity and Islam are not simple systems of belief, but lay claim to absolute truth.

Redemptive and highly ritualised religions both, they inevitably foster intense attention to all the details of life, which without exception are under the eye of the Lord. Every sparrow that falls, every hair on the head, is counted. At the very least, such a condition of existence might induce a certain self-consciousness.

If one believes that being constantly watched (and not always kindly) is the natural condition of the Cosmos, one might not unreasonably assume that the forces of darkness are equally vigilant and active in the affairs of men. Should one not then be on the watch for evil and its servants everywhere? Thus a mind inhabited by a universe permeated with significance will be as prone to consiratorial thinking as a mind that sees little meaning anywhere."

-snip-

"Arguments over whether or not this kind of thing goes on, even can go on, and whose behind it all are as fruitless as 'debates' about the reality of ghosts, reincarnation, alien abductions, leprochauns or the Loch Ness Monster. They are particularly worthless as a reaction to conspiracy theories because conspiracy theories are an expression of found significance. Their function is to structure or underwrite a structure of meaning; and they are bottomless, infinite and all-inclusive because they have to be, if they are to work as intended. Anyone who believes them is not going to be easily argued out of their belief, any more than someone who accepts the keystone event of Christian mythology, the Resurrection, will accept the logical objections. The belief is already beyond logic One measures its circle from any point: the supreme miracle of the Resurrection proves the existence and power of God; and God proves his power and existence by performing the miracle.

If I hear voices in my head discussing the agenda of the last gathering of the Illuminati, this proves they are running fiendish mind control programs as part of the apparatus of the New World Order. And the mind control program they're beaming at me proves they really run world affairs. and so on.

It's no use talking to me about symptoms on incipient schizophrenia, because that just goes to show how far they've got to you without you realising it. If you're not actually on their payroll, that is, deliberately helping to turn everyone against me.

Conspiracy thinking is mythological (or 'magical') thinking. Martin S. Day has observed that "scientifically, [a myth] cannot be proved" and neither can it be "properly reconciled with phenomenological facts," elaborating on Hans George Gadamer's judgement that "the only good definition of myth is that myth neither requires nor includes any possible verification outside of itself.""

-snip-

"Through this simple principle of structuring, all conspiracies become bottomless pits; no matter how many bits of the jigsaw are refuted or debunked, there's always another one available, raising new questions and suggesting more shady dealings. In its own terms, the edifice is unshakable. The thought that one is dealing here with something not unlike metaphysics or medieval theology is hard to suppress."

7/16/2007 02:37:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Richard thanks for reminding us of the fundamentalism/conspiracy theorizing similarities. It is a problem with beliefs, but it does cut both ways. Like the belief that people are too much at cross purposes to form successful conspiracies.

"Thus a mind inhabited by a universe permeated with significance will be as prone to conspiratorial thinking as a mind that sees little meaning anywhere."

So it seems that everyone is prone to conspiratorial thinking. No meaning, to much meaning, what’s a boy to do?

(Debates)-" are particularly worthless as a reaction to conspiracy theories because conspiracy theories are an expression of found significance. Their function is to structure or underwrite a structure of meaning;"

Could it be that the significance 'found' within the orthodox conception of conspiracy, (they hate our freedom) is looking a bit hollow? People may be grasping at straws but there must be better straws than the (we got) freedom straw.

Shrub, for the record, as this seems important to you, I like what Richard brings to this table.

I would also like to hear what you think on the level of ideas rather than your usual emotive baiting attempts. Do you consider that events result from confused signals, a few bad apples and suchlike? Or do you think that these events (Gulf of Tonkin for example) are engineered from a higher level?

7/16/2007 07:51:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Sounder..For my money (is the root of all evil), these are the best of times and these are the worst of times. I really cannot imagine that some sectors such as the participants we have here have ever managed to have their basic needs of food, warmth, and shelter met with such ease as we. Obviously, there is a conspiracy of silence bought and paid but to what end?

Obviously, they need us but what is it they want? Let me answer that from my POV. Strictly speaking, we vibrate in the cosmic consciousness. We are the ten good men of Sodom headed for the future as a pillar of salt. Should we fail here and now, as we did, then and there, the Karmic wheel will grind us into cosmic dust and we will have served our purpose. Prometheus was a thief after all.

7/16/2007 08:53:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Boys & Girls,

What’s with the re-emergence of Either/Or-ism?! Why can’t Richard’s guys and Omni’s intuition both be right? I’m not talking mystically mumbled, quantumly uncertain/relativistic soup here, either.

This dialogue has turned most pathetic. Inexplicably so, in fact, considering that this is old, familiar territory. Just because a tiny proportion of the population has tremendous wealth & power which allows them to control political & banking systems, does that then mean that they control everything, that there is no randomness, no free will?

From the other side, just because the elite do not control every action and thought on the planet, does this mean that they control nothing?

This is beyond moronic. This is fundamentalist reductionism. Either/or means all-or-nothing, black-and-white. You guys are much, much better than this. My 6 year-old has a better grasp of nuance that this conversation.

Is there not both order and chaos in Nature? Can there not exist a system in which order can arise from chaos as well as the other way around?

Obviously, the bankers have rigged the system. Just as obviously, we see them doing it. More importantly, it’s not just us, the suspicious ones who don’t buy the baloney of Bologna (this link is part of an amazing single archive page of Jeff’s thinking from 2004 that is by itself proof enough that complex conspiracies do exist). As I’ve many times reminded the little Hive here, everyone knows that money is power, from those bankers who have and control it to those little people and criminals and otherwise undesirable persons who don’t.

The real thinking begins when we attempt to discover whether order deriving from chaos is more “natural” than the entropy of the opposite tendency. And then maybe even talk about what to do about it.

(Btw, Jared Diamond is hardly a conspiracy theorist. Sure, he details the “mistake” of agriculture and the mechanisms of the manipulation of scarcity, but did we really believe that cars can only get 20 mpg out of the oil that is the only possible source of energy in a globalized society led by a naturally evolved, solitary Superpower which is dedicated to the spread of democracy & freedom & justice for all?)


ericswan,

Prometheus was far worse than a thief--his gift was poison, a seed for the growth of technolgies that are inimical to Life itself. (Nice comment.) I wonder what the etymological relationship is between inimical and mimical, in the sense of "biomimical"?

7/16/2007 11:02:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

What's with the tote Hosen around here? Any lights on? Here's some brain food, if anybody's still hungry...and some "news," if anyone still cares.

7/16/2007 04:16:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

JAD quoted this:

"Arguments over whether or not this kind of thing goes on, even can go on, and whose behind it all are as fruitless as 'debates' about the reality of ghosts, reincarnation, alien abductions, leprochauns or the Loch Ness Monster. They are particularly worthless as a reaction to conspiracy theories because conspiracy theories are an expression of found significance."

But talking for days about the minutest details of whether or not this Libby guy is a conspiracy of one, or if the other Icon, Bush, is helping him (alone of course) making it a conspiracy of two is "particularly worth[while]?"

Merely saying the name "Bush," like he has any more significance in world politics than Brad Pitt, in a deep political conversation is akin to blaming all of the worlds sins on a messiah: very primitive.

JAD, I can't defend myself on the name calling; there is no way to defend against slander and libel (you calling me a name caller) except lawsuits. I will say this though, I have NOT gotten personal like almost everyone else on this site has. I have merely openly, sometimes facetiously, expressed my severe disagreement. In doing so, I make my own valid arguments to back my disagreement up, totally maturely, somewhat heated...whereas you just say a bunch of salient put-downs assuming your audience will just take them as truisms without adding much of anything to--or for that matter subtracting much of anything from--my original arguments. 150 years ago, when universities were still set up to test doctoral students on their expertise in rhetorical speech and argument, I don't think it was commonplace for folks to start calling people schizophrenic when they jokingly, playfully say something like "call me schizophrenic, but..." to lighten up the rhetoric session a bit. This kind of severe slander is not akin to anything I have said yet, not even the same ballpark.

In fact, I have felt many times that there are particular people on this site who must do this blogosphere thing for a living, provoking people as soon as they start raising real issues by, like children in the schoolyard, going after the most superficial things they say and turning a political discussion into a personal scapegoating.

JAD, It is definitely safe for me to say fuck you at this point, and then start the insults, but I wont. I'll just say I'm suspicious of you, as should any discriminating analyst be. Number one, you think that PSYOPS propaganda by people denying the art of 'pretext for precipitation of wars' is even worthy of talking about. I don't and never will. Number two, and on a personal note, I'm sure that you've never had to deal with girls being told by jealous guys lies about your character so they would stay away from you, since you are lame and your "analysis" lies safely within the prescribed confines of "reasonable assumption," i.e. you are totally normal. Fucking gross. I hate normals.

Believe me, I don't take to tooting my own horn until I become Azael the scapegoat to a bunch of primitive, corrupt Jews.

Okay, know I am an anti-Semite because I used the phrase "corrupt Jews" in an analogy. Just say it you guys. I know it's coming: the logic that since I said that Jews (or any humans) that sacrifice other humans on account to alleviate their superstitious guilt and fear are definitely probably very corrupt and most definitely extremely primitive then I am a Nazi, Right Shrubbybubba and J_A_B, maybe even Mark?

I "threatened" to leave twice? WTF??? I didn't "threaten" anything. I expressed my feelings: once to the effect that I thought that my discussing the ACTUAL TOPIC OF THE ORIGINAL POST was at least worth a read if not an ongoing discussion and that if Jeff thought I wasn't worthy of his site, he should be the one to tell me so, not those who are seeking to contain the wildfires he starts; and the second time was in extreme exasperation (yes I do have emotions, unlike the old, mature, macho men here) that it seems impossible for Jeff or anyone else to really get into any analysis without some form of sabotage, whether intentional or unintentional. That is a perfectly vivid and well defined frustration that I am plagued by. I suppose that the emotions of Mozart, Van Gogh, or other Illuminati members made them whining little bitches like me? I bet all of the great artists--and especially the not-so-great ones--at some point show conceit to others, especially when their very worth as a human being is being called into question.

<"20 seconds"?????????????????????
What are we immature little boys that need hierarchy and seniority (MORE FUCKING SYMBOLS FOR FUCK'S SAKE) instead of ability or reason?? (Are you a boy scout leader, Shrubby, or a boy scout?) If you say that I have no ability and thus my last statement does not apply to me, then answer some of the points I made, like everyone else has done for me, instead of going after my character.

Someone has to be the bad guy and try to let the infiltrators on this site know that it isn't going to be that easy to dissuade really deep analysis of the contradictions and connections in the many straw man conspiracy theories. Someone has to resist or the cost to the Con will be nothing and to us, the cost will be total derision, distraction, delusion, and disillusionment.

IC said:

This dialogue has turned most pathetic...

then

[D]oes that then mean that they control everything, that there is no randomness, no free will?

I never said that "They" even need to control everything. Sure there is a system of indoctrination making overt control unecessary, but when that fails, like with people like me, there are alway folks their to start with the red-baiting and mud-slinging: case in point: the past week on "Rigorous Divide and Conquer Omnimental.com" from Eve and other potential lovers, male and female, platonic or not. This is the same thing that happens in my small town. It happens on the news. It has happened many times in political movements, like when a Black Pnather leader was sent a "letter" by another Black Panther (FBI agent posing as a Panther) calling that Panther names and challenging his policies with insults. This trick is so old, JAD, you might as well say it: "we are provocateurs!"

My Proof: Richard is posting quotes from people who are obviously 180 degrees from Jeff, people whose plausible denial bullshit have been already settled on to be totally bogus by all interested in Jeff Wells' message(s). Then when someone disagrees (duh), he plays dumb and acts all offended and accuses people of meanness even though he didn't say the irrelevant things, another writer did it!

"I post a couple of quotes BY OTHER GODDAMN PEOPLE & suddenly I'm "defending the status quo.""

operative word being "couple."

Actually there were 5 names attributed to your 4 quotes.

7/16/2007 06:29:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

IC said:

...(this link is part of an amazing single archive page of Jeff’s thinking from 2004 that is by itself proof enough that complex conspiracies do exist).

Yeah, and that post got only 23 comments, whereas this one, has 167 and counting; there were around 60 before I started posting, the majority of which sought to reduce Jeff's use of the obscure Libby trial example for his completely separate point to a conversation about the fine and controversial details of "Bush's" executive powers, Libby's "guilt," and other such irrelevancies. Once I started posting, the original issue was forced back into the light, even though I was a such a meanie and everything. Boo hoo. I am such a big jerk. Now we have to talk about the semiotics and etimology of the phrase "conspiracy theory," thanks to the big meanie, iridescent_cuttlefish. IC, you name-calling little boy. (just kidding IC: a disclaimer in case that facetious statement will be used against me.) I'm sure IC's point can be ignored in light of more pressing issues, like my abrasiveness and (despite?) my lack of seniority.

7/16/2007 07:21:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...


Satan, the Old One, the stripper of the vinyard bear, the bearer of false witness, the stumbling block before the blind, the Arch Fiend
said, of Saint John the Baptist:

Hey look everyone, it's the devil. Really, look. Hey, marge, you know what John the Baptist said, he said you were a bitch. Hey, Jimmy, everyone, look...no don't look at those horns on my head, those are just tumors from a cancer that John the Baptists gave me with his evil warlock potient...look at him, HE's the devil, really, he is the Devil. Really, believe me, it's true. He said you were all ninnies and jerks. He told me he was going to hurt your children. Stay away from him. He will hurt you, I warn you. Stay away from him.

Shut the hell up Satan, everyone knows you're the Arch Fiend, not anyone else but you.

7/16/2007 07:58:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Omni,

I said a lot of things, including the phrase you quoted. In that point I was trying to make I was actually agreeing a bit more with "your" side than with "Richard's".

Obviously, there is a great deal of control (through the use of symbols, etc) of the many by the few.

What's lame and pathetic is to maintain that everything that happens is a result of a conspiracy or that nothing happens via this route. The lack of interest in this thread is also a lameness unto itself. That's a shame, of course, but I'm thinking that blaming this apparent apathy & boredom on some sort of "infiltration" is stretching things just a bit. The only dangerous idea expressed here was contained in Drew's Mothership, which you yourself dismissed on account of his byzantine phraseology.

If you can past his linguistic contortions, and if you're aware of the PKS background material, then you might realize why that piece is earth-shaking.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Didn't see that last comment, Omni, but comparing the number of comments between then and now is a bit misleading, especially since this post has been sitting in the sun for so long...

7/16/2007 08:03:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Richard,

I have to hand it to you....you played them like a strumpet, whether you intended it, or not.

See, guys, you construed Richard's quoting as Richard's own words. Actually, it was Omni who started that presumption, but it was you other traitors who rallied to the newcomer's side, even though Richard has been at your's for a substantial period of time. It goes back to what Richard and I said nearly a year prior. Folks like you cannot be relied upon when the "evil ones" come to take our children....instead, you'll whip out a book and quote them a verse, or invite them to read your forever unfinished blog.

No one cared to addressed Richard's point about folks on this blog using Adam Curtis as a reference, yet not even understanding Curtis' point, or feelings and opinions on the subject....and pardon me if I find that ridiculously hilarious. I must tip my hat to Richard, once again, because he has one of the greatest knacks I know of in spotting and pointing out the most side-splitting ironies.

Richard, keep on keeping on, my brother. You can count on me to be in your corner because I know you are "good people." And.....I mean that in all sincerity.

I do believe there are conspiracies, and long running ones, at that. But I also believe that Conspiracy, with a capital C, is a sensational money making industry, and much of what is passed off and proferred as conspiracy is a far-fetched load of bullocks gobbled up by various people for various reasons. Some of it is purposeful disinformation created and deposited by spooks, but some of it, and not an insubstantial percentage, is shit squeezed out by greedy hucksters selling contemporary snake oil.

I'm glad Richard posted the quotes he did...because there is more than a shred of truth in what he posted. It made me take pause and realize that in this journey for truth, if there is such a thing, the road is innundated with Rabbit Holes.

7/16/2007 08:59:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Mr. Mojo Risin......Mr. Mojo Risin.

IC, why so slow to catch on?

I know some perceptive others were thinking the same thing....I just had the audacity to verbalize it.

Glad to have you back, Mojo. Welcome to the Hotel Rigorous Intuition....you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

7/16/2007 09:02:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Shrub...Could you elaborate the point that Richard was making? Honest...I didn't get it. Now, that you're back from your little hiatus with Sabrina, maybe you have an insight or two that you can share and maybe you might just start with how you throw all those balls up in the air and none of them come down?

I happen to aggree with your perception concerning the working file in progress. Some people just like a fresh start but this ole road is bumpy and the wheels of the bus are in a rut. These multi-taskers can be found most everywhere in balloonosphere. I like the red ones best but I eat the chocolate coloured ones last.

7/16/2007 10:58:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Shrub,

Like ericswan, I'm most perplexed. I'm supposed to have guessed that Omni is Mojo? I'm really bad at that sort of thing, remember? I was the last one to suspect that the crusty Old Man person was another disguise. It's not just because I'm such a trusting soul, either, or that I prefer to think the best of folks until their actions tell me otherwise--it's just so...irrelevant to me, I guess.

It sounds like that whole "you're a disinfo agent!" crap; so adolescent, so wasteful. I thought we came here first and foremost to talk about ideas and what's happening in the world. It's nice that we might like one another, but common decency and respect will do just fine, as far as I'm concerned. So, no: I'm not going to start being suspicious of who someone "really is" or what their motives might be. It's too late for that and I have no stomach for it.

As far as this business of loyalty goes ("traitors rallying to the newcomer's side"), well that's a boatload of crap, ain't it? Along with this notion that "we" are all confusing Richard with his sources--what gives you this notion, anyway?

I will say that Richard does tend to be skeptical of conspiracy thinking to the point that his sources are usually pretty damned mainstream, even status quo affirming, something that came out in a rather obvious way in our last bloodbath.

I know why he feels this way--his worldview is, as Sounder pointed out, extremely rational/materialist. If you don't see it, it ain't there. I don't have any problem with that--it's his worldview, not mine--but it does lead to some rather strange contradictions at a place where the mantra is "what you don't know won't hurt them".

Now, I'm not arguing with your summation of the conspiracy industry; as you know, I don't have much use for Rense & Icke myself, but to qoute "experts" who tell us soothingly that there is no conspiracy, that history is a series of "unforeseen consequences" makes me a lot more suspicious than wondering what some poster's real identity here is.

For example, that archive page of Jeff's from 2004 that I linked--none of that stuff really happened? The CIA was too bumbling to carry out those interventions? (That's the rightwing DMV argument, btw, in case you didn't recognize it: socialism won't work and conspiracies can't happen because government work is just so inherently inefficient. "Do you want your health care to be run by the Department of Motor Vehicles?")

So, Gladio never happened? The rich came by their wealth the hard way? It's a level playing field, 'cuz the little guy has the same opportunity as Daddy Warbucks? Wars, interventions, police actions and assassinations aren't orchestrated by the war profiteers and the other "industries" which profit from them?

Really?

The free market really is free?! That's great news! I'm going to run out and tell every disenfranchised person I meet that the great uplift of capitalism is going to make their lives as golden as that of the 358 families who control 52% of the world's wealth!

I'm certain they'll welcome their liberation.

It's also good news that those "competing & contradictory voices" in the various presidential administrations really represent how decisions are made. I was beginning to get so cynical that I thought all those assclowns were just there for show and that the real power behind the throne might be those guys we never see with all the money & power.

It's also very heartening to know that Kissinger & McNamara weren't really war criminals and murderers because they believed they were doing the right thing. Whew! Thank goodness we're the only ones to think of stamping "Gott mit uns" on our belt buckles!

Now I understand why the Chimp was smirking at that press conference when he guessed "something like 30,000" Iraqi civilians might have died in the first year of the Liberation--he knows his sins have been forgiven ahead of time. Hey, I was raised Catholic--I remember the logic of holy water.

In fact, one of the most outspoken neocon theologians, Father Richard Neuhaus, has oficially exonerated the Leader by saying that "he's always acted in good faith; therefore the Iraq war is a just war and we have to give our president the benefit of the doubt..."

So, I'm supposed to be doubtful about trusting other posters to be who they say they are when we're using asinine screen names on this blog, but I should just give the defenders of Empire who say there's nothing untoward happening here the same sort of "benefit of the doubt?"

I'm sure there's some logic in there, Shrub. Help me with it--I'm too trusting and too paranoid to make sense of it on my own.

7/17/2007 01:28:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

IC...We're being ripped off nonetheless. Drama queens to dharmabums slooshing through this trough and still we come to the table. I don't have a problem with it. In fact, this is much like the future community I think solves our problem. The format of bloggerville works for me. The letters space out the real estate and lookie here, there's room for one and all. There is power in the letters. anagram this...ericswan...wasnicer. hehehe

7/17/2007 01:58:00 AM  
Blogger muddy elephant said...

I've always thought that what we argue/disagree/discuss is just the tip of the iceberg. What is of actual real importance though is why we argue. What vs.Why. Tree vs. Forest.

The why part of the iceberg runs fathoms deep where most of the strange and undiscovered creatures of this world live*.

The what part lies obscenely exposed in shallow and fetid streams where all of the poop floats and plastic shopping bags run free. (See all of the comments on any blog ever.)

(I really enjoy this blog so much though. The poop is of such unerringly high quality.)

When the Terry Schiavo ordeal was happening I started thinking of these themes. Here were all of these passionate people running extremely high blood pressures...

It seemed obvious to me that the actual substance of the argument was just a paper mask for the motivations that lay beneath.

The same method of thought is equally as obvious on such issues as abortion, global warming, capital punishment, and most presidential debates.

It is not so obvious on the topic of conspiracies, however, as we all know so well.

We believe what we believe from a very early age and for most people it is extremely difficult to free ourselves from these early imprints so that we could actually benefit and change our rigid minds from mere linguistic stimulation.

In other words the actual number of us with true free will is very, very small.

I believe that I'm aware enough to recognize that I don't have it--call it what you will(no pun intended).

My real point, though, is that people end up getting so enthralled with themselves and with their ideas that yes, IC, we are bulding chaos out of order.

Lamely enough, my point is only as useful as the "Live simply so that others may simply live" bumper sticker. But furthermore, when the shit does hit the fan I must paraphrase Douglas Adams: "Don't panic. It's only life."

*--What the fuck NASA? We've had the new frontier this whole damn time... It's called the fuckin ocean.

Anyways, just wanted to throw another log in the puddle.

--------------------------

IC:

Two things:

1) Freedom ain't fair. (I know that sounds dumb but it honestly seems to have escaped your wandering eye)

2)Jared Diamond sure as hell is no conspiracy theorist. The guy just makes a whole lot of sense--even though that's not what we're here for.

Richard:

Rock On.

7/17/2007 06:16:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

When the word 'but' is used, it means disregard the content of the previous sentiment.

7/17/2007 08:00:00 AM  
Blogger omnimental said...

If the powers that be, after spending billions of man-hours on information disseminiation, saw that someone like Jeff and then some others on this site were going to start asking the tough questions about information, don’t you think they would try to stamp out the wildfires before they started? I think so, hence the lack of seriousness when it comes to me as commentator and analyst.

So where are the answers to MANY questions that I have been asking? Only ericswan and mark responded somewhat coherently and to-the-point to any of my arguments. IC has been forthcoming in downright rational, peaceful conversation. It is Shrubbydubba and Richard who want to get into seniority, trust, loyalty and other symbolic mind-control shit instead of dealing with my points, my argument, THAT ARE MUCH LIKE JEFF”S ARGUMENTS. JESUS!

That is why I am here. I crave the questions Jeff asks and answers, just like in his “2004 archive” that IC recently posted.

Now, I ask you this. If I was a disinfo mojo, would I be harking back into the memory hole to remind you all of the CRUX of the matter here on RI? See “Conspiracature”. The one thing I don’t agree with is the idea that people who are not contributing to the TYPE of conversation that Jeff wants to have shouldn't be called out to leave the table. Jeff is not interested in the sources that Richard brings, if he indeed is bringing mainstream crap about the Gulf of Tonkin and the Maine, the two “conspiracies” that remain the only two that the mainstream will concede as at least controversial, if just so they can use them to disprove and malign the idea that conspiracies exist. How can I be sure of what Jeff is interested in? I have read a sample of his other posts, a sample big enough to statistically conclude with good certainty that the vast majority of Jeff’s topics at least broach the idea of avoiding rabit holes.

And now the Grand Contradiction to any disagreement with my various previous posts:

I do believe there are conspiracies, and long running ones [see any one of my posts], at that. But I also believe that Conspiracy, with a capital C, is a sensational money making industry [see my questioning of Chemtrails], and much of what is passed off and proferred as conspiracy is a far-fetched load of bullocks gobbled up by various people for various reasons. Some of it is purposeful disinformation created and deposited by spooks, but some of it, and not an insubstantial percentage, is shit squeezed out by greedy hucksters selling contemporary snake oil. [see my indictment of Ike, Rense, Infowars, etc.)

I couldn’t have said it better myself, as long as an “insubstantial percentage” is about 99%. Jeff’s idea, the 1%, is about Rigorously reading between the lines in the morass of disinformation-disguised-as-expose to connect what he already knows about human motivation and history. In Conspiracature he talks about former military/law enforcement people coming forward (like Bill Cooper, Ted Gunderson, Mike Ruppert, the list goes on and on) to bestow on us their “insider knowledge.”

The fact is, I am, and have been consistently asking everyone here to more deeply question some of the assumptions they might begin to start making on various conspiracy theories, and like the experts they are, start with what they know about human nature and formulate educated guesses from there. Just shaking things up a bit while adding my two cents.

If there is anyone on this site who can honestly say that any of my posts contained zero relevant questions or points, that is, before the unholy inquisition started a couple of days ago, then please cite them and I will try to explain myself or just apologize for them.

Otherwise, answer my points, if you think you can, without sounding like a tool. You can start with my first post, chiding a bunch of you for talking about the Libby case. Jeff’s last wish was that anyone would talk about Libby’s innocence, guilt or whatever; Jeff’s point was that it was irrelevant: so was mine.

Don’t worry Jeff. You have supporters. I know there are many people who post here regularly who just don’t get what you are saying, or at least they don’t want others to talk about it so they try to control the debate. If you have seen anything in any of my posts that makes you uncomfortable, throws up red flags in your mind, or anything, please tell me. I think you will find you have something in me, a watch dog perhaps, that can defend your points and force your issues to the table when you are away for days due to busyness. I understand your thinking, and was attracted to your site because of it. Everyone is a newbie at some point; this should not displease anyone, except those who subscribe to the military/frat-boy paradigm of hazing and authority for the purpsoe of control and subdominance. Please look over my comments and decide for yourself. I am waiting for YOUR answer.

7/17/2007 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Wow!

Omni-scient, Omni-scient, Omni-scient,
I really don't know where to start.

Well, why not at the beginning.

"Arguments over whether or not this kind of thing goes on, even can go on, and whose behind it all are as fruitless as 'debates' about the reality of ghosts, reincarnation, alien abductions, leprochauns or the Loch Ness Monster. They are particularly worthless as a reaction to conspiracy theories because conspiracy theories are an expression of found significance."

But talking for days about the minutest details of whether or not this Libby guy is a conspiracy of one, or if the other Icon, Bush, is helping him (alone of course) making it a conspiracy of two is "particularly worth[while]?"


What does part one have, in the least, to do with part 2?

My initial quote was referring to an internet mind control forum where some gent was rambling on about how his metal bedframe was being used as an antenna to amplify the mind control waves being beamed at him by the guv-ment.
Didn't feel like typing that out, so sue me.

The point of the article was that when claims that outrageous are made they are accepted by the "believers' without any really basic questions being asked.

Y'know, like, "Why don't you just get rid of your metal bedframe then?

Much like religion.



"provoking people as soon as they start raising real issues by, like children in the schoolyard, going after the most superficial things they say and turning a political discussion into a personal scapegoating."

Let's see, I post a couple (obvious disinfo watermark)
of quotes & you tell me to go bang my dick in a drawer.

Yep, I can see how that would be misconstrued as addressing "the real issues."

Actually, my only experience with "dick-banging" was with a mentally retarded client of mine who used that as his form of masturbation. He kept returning to it & obviously enjoyed it, so your dick banging theory might not be the grim & gritty reality check that you think it is.
To save you any future metaphorical brain work, I also have a client who masturbates to pictures of refrigerators, just in case you intend to persue any analogies involving dicks & refrigerators.


"I'm sure that you've never had to deal with girls being told by jealous guys lies about your character so they would stay away from you, since you are lame and your "analysis" lies safely within the prescribed confines of "reasonable assumption," i.e. you are totally normal. Fucking gross. I hate normals."

Who cares?

Please, please, please oh Omni-scient One, tell me that the black little heart beating at the center of your angst ridden delivery doesn't have, as its impetus, the sad fact that you didn't get all the blow jobs you thought you deserved during your 20s?

Ok, so you spent your 20's dating Thumbelina & her 4 sisters way more than you wanted to.

Well guess what, so did I.

So what?

Get the fuck over it.


"Fucking gross. I hate normals."

Huzzawhah?
What are you, 16?

(Please refer to my stunted adolescence analysis above.)


"yes I do have emotions"

I'm happy for you.

Speaking of emotions, last night this young 23 year old girl was going on about a fight she'd had with her boyfriend. It ended with him in tears.

Let me repeat that, it ended with him in tears.

Their troubles revolve around his inability to keep from blowing his wad upon vaginal entry, thereby leaving her unsatisfied.
I guarantee that if the shmoe would just give her a few orgasms she'd purr like a contented kitten because she actually likes him.

When she first relayed this to me I gave her some lame advice about being patient, etc.

But now that I realize that he has emotions I think I'm going to tell her that the next time he uncontrollably spurts she should just grab him by his hair & force his head between her legs & command him to "Lick it bitch, go on & lick it."


"That is a perfectly vivid and well defined frustration that I am plagued by. I suppose that the emotions of Mozart, Van Gogh, or other Illuminati members made them whining little bitches like me? I bet all of the great artists--and especially the not-so-great ones--at some point show conceit to others, especially when their very worth as a human being is being called into question. "


I was going to address this intelligently but everytime I re-read it I collapse in paroxysms of epileptic glee. The sheer mountain of ego displayed here just, in the end, isn't worth my time to ascend.


"Someone has to be the bad guy and try to let the infiltrators on this site know that it isn't going to be that easy to dissuade really deep analysis of the contradictions and connections in the many straw man conspiracy theories. Someone has to resist or the cost to the Con will be nothing and to us, the cost will be total derision, distraction, delusion, and disillusionment."

You are to be commended for your brave stance.
Maybe after you practice standing up to authority by typing you'll then feel sufficiently confidant to attempt this heroic stand in the street where your opponents will be replacing pithy key-strokes with painful & bloody billy-club strokes & taser joltings.


"My Proof: Richard is posting quotes from people who are obviously 180 degrees from Jeff, people whose plausible denial bullshit have been already settled on to be totally bogus by all interested in Jeff Wells' message(s)"

Adam Curtis, Errol Morris, William Gibson & Donna Kossey have been exposed here as plausible denialists?

Really?

So, is the part of your brain responsible for that little hallucinatory nugget the same one all that backed up semen from your 20's washed out like a bridge in a flash flood?


"This trick is so old, JAD, you might as well say it: "we are provocateurs!""

Another nail well hit.

Truthfully, I used to be CIA, but fuck that shit.
I, like you, have an ego & (gasp)(shudder) emotions, & I want to run it all, so I'm strictly running freelance disinfo.

As consolation, I can only say that my few remaining Company friends still titter uproariously when they reminisce about how they kept you from getting laid during your 20's. So, while now out of their sight, you're still very much on their minds.

In honor of my recent break with "da Company" I offer these song lyrics. I'd use quotation marks & give their author but since everything will be attributed to me anyway I'll just say

"Their mine....all mine."

The Devil and me
Had a falling out
Violation of contract
Beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Wherever He go
Whomever He meet,
He got to cross my house
on the other side of the street.

And you know that's the truth.

The Devil and me
Bad blood and beef.
An undisciplined child
A liar and a thief.
It's a low down shame
We were the best of friends
But I suppose all good things
Got to come to an end.

Now here's the part that the Devil sings
while he's hanging his head in a hard rain:

Where I'm headed
I don't know
Down this path
we all go.
Grace and luck.
Blood from stone
Got nowhere
to call my home.

What comes around goes around
threefold or more
Now you can't get off
of that killing floor.


Hell, why stop now. My new found song writing talent is just amazing me. Let's have one more just for good measure.


Went to the doctor, to see what could be given.
He said, “Sorry, but you’ve got to do your own livin’.”
Went to the pastor, to hear what he would say.
He said, “Sorry, son, come back later
some time after judgment day.”

There is no safe way out of here.
No passage below the dungeon.
No mother ship will save you.
So goes the rapture of Riddley Walker.

Churchyard was empty, schoolyard was bare.
Wind in the streets, wind in the air.
Pockets of diamonds, nothing to buy.
Scream out hello and get no reply.
Victims of zombies convene in the park
While any man with dignity makes an easy mark.
Heaven is a long ways away.
Heaven is a long, long, long, long ways away.

There is no safe way out of here.
No passage below the dungeon.
No mothership will come save you.
The rapture of Riddley Walker.

How many-cools of Addom? Party cools of stone?
Hart of the wood shadder. Eusa roam.

Drop-John been climbing on Riddley’s back. Follow the power, a natural fact.
Orfing & Ardship, hardship is plain.
Hardly Goodparley is ever the same.
Shadows and phantom’s convene in the snow.
Among the low whispers are voices you know.
Heaven is a long ways away.
Heaven is a long, long, long, long ways away.



(For those of you who understand what quotation marks mean, & that by using a quote one doesn't necessarily have to subscribe to every fart & belch or period & comma of the author, I apologize. The above songs are by a band called Clutch.)


But, to the rest of you:

YES, YES, THEY'RE ALL MINE.

MINE I TELL YOU.

& one more thing Omni-scient One




Libby Libby Libby Libby LIbby Libby Libby Libby Libby Libby Libby Libby Libby Libby Libby Libby


&


Libby

7/17/2007 01:07:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

My comment concerning my suspicion of new-agers and lunch-meat hippies (those who preach brotherly love but when they have lunch meat and you don’t, they never give it up) and their failure to concede to me is borne out of experience; and taking my words about my—gasp—confession that I used to try to get laid (and still do) out of context and suggesting that I have been obsessed with the banal since my beginning here is leaving a little bit out of the discussion I might say. My original point—not that it even matters, but such a scathing indictment as that which pictures me a silly man-child obsessed with my adolescence as opposed to a political threat that means business begs for a response—was that some types of men and women don’t want to admit when they have met their match; instead they resort to salient, offensive rants. You, JAD, are making my point for me by not dropping the issue. I don’t care what anyone here thinks. The new age stuff about tetrahedral geometry was given to me first by a known disinformation artist. He is the one that “exposed” to me the face on Mars and Richard Hoagland and the Mars Observers “lost photos.” Tetrahedral geometry: total spooky esoterics. Not at all relevant. Maybe somewhat real. I don’t know, but it sure takes away from holding criminals to the fire and asking them what the fuck is really going on RIGHT HERE ON EARTH.

Anyway…enough of this shit. JAD, your quote was totally worthless garbage. I hate it. Someone had to say it. We are not here to speak on the personal qualities of the messengers (well, you are Richard). We are here to have and intelligent conversation about semiotics. You have been consistently detracting from every one of Jeff's posts that you ruined with comment. And so I say again: your quote was worthless garbage.

In “Consolation of Conspiracy,” Jeff said:

Tell me what I say is crazy, without bothering to hear what I'm saying. I'm fine with that. Hell, I listen to what I'm saying and sometimes I wonder myself. As a fellow "conspiracy theorist" recently told me, "I feel like the guy in A Beautiful Mind, minus the genius part." Adding things up which are not to be added can do that to you. It's a crazy-making world out there, once you start paying attention to it. Just don't presume to tell me how I feel about it.

And I won't presume to tell you, so you tell me: how did you feel when the floor first fell away from beneath you? When the comforting assumptions of consensus reality folded up upon themselves, and you saw the lone gunmen as cardbard figures, and you glimpsed the grinning skulls beneath the smooth skin of the killers, what did that do to your insides? When you felt the vertiginous drop, did you throw up your hands and let out a "Wheeeeee!"?


And then a comment…

PrepNut said...
What?! WTF?!?

Yes, it's very comforting to have your nose rubbed in evidence and information that believing in puts you in the tinfoil hat crowd. Or worse, in the burned-at-the-stake for refusing to recant the truth crowd, a la Giordano Bruno.

Comforting indeed. I was just sitting here, at the computer, thinking how nice it was to have made some new friends. Wheeeee!

7/17/2007 02:32:00 PM  
Blogger omnimental said...

Yeah, Jeff, this old saw, just put it away. We don't need to go into that again. It's just the same old calling into question the relevance of talking to people whose past and present is impossible to discern.

Sound Familiar?

People can disagree with Jeff, whose diligence and fame made this convergence possible, but when I disagree, I am held to the fire.

WTF???????????????????????????? is right.

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