Wednesday, August 15, 2007

No need to be nervous



The city fathers they're trying to endorse
The reincarnation of Paul Revere's horse
But the town has no need to be nervous
- Bob Dylan


In 1924, Christian occultist Dion Fortune purchased some property at the foot of Glastonbury Tor - arguably Weird Britain's weirdest place - and named it Chalice Orchard. This became the first meeting place for what became her occult fraternity The Society of the Inner Light, the basic workbook of which remains Fortune's 1936 text, The Mystical Qabalah.

A couple of weeks ago, and almost naturally at Glastonbury, MI5's 9/11 Truther David Shayler publicly declared that he was the Messiah, as well as the reincarnation of King Arthur and Leonardo da Vinci. Though unlike Jesus, who left it at the question "Who do men say that I am," Shayler couldn't repeat himself fast enough on British television. ("Do I sound mentally ill?") Television, of course, happily obliged.

Shayler claims he arrived at this conclusion after studying the Qabalah, seeing a crop circle that resembled a pattern he had drawn as a child, and reflecting upon a chain of psychic events that made sense of the apparent botch of his life. Reportedly, his study was aided by "mushrooms & a plant, can't remember their names, something beginning with A."

Dion Fortune is regarded by occultists today as a bit of a moralizing fuddy duddy, whose magic was not exactly Crowley's sex and drugs and rock and roll. In Sane Occultism, Fortune compared a magician who performs sex workings to a fisherman who employs tamed cormorants, kept hungry to catch fish, but which have rings about their necks to prevent them from swallowing. The fish are plucked from their bills and stuffed into the pockets of the "fisher of souls." "The occultist who works with sex always has his cage of human ringed cormorants," she writes. "The poor creatures do not wear very well, and have to be constantly replaced." As for attaining higher consciousness through drugs, Fortune warned that "it is one thing to unloosen the girders of the mind, and quite another to get the rivets tightened up again, and unless one is prepared to go through life rattling like a cheap motor-car it is unwise to seek this method of development, speedy and effectual though it is."

Perhaps if Fortune had been of another generation, and had the benefit of the West's newfound ethnobotany and etheogenic anthropology, she might have made exception for the place of the shaman in traditional culture. Though since she was adamant that "it is an axiom of occult science that no price may be charged for any form of occult work," it's certain she would have looked askance upon the instant karma of shamanic tourism, and self-induced higher consciousness for the price of a dose.

Something else Fortune wrote is that "an unwilling victim is a nuisance." That is, smart attackers of the psyche will exploit flaws of character to the point where the victims become complicit in their own destruction. This is a tactic as true for what Fortune would call the "black lodge" as it is of any dark actors.

Post 9/11, the first significant book I read that took me behind the scrim of mere politics was Brisard and Dasquie's Forbidden Truth. These days it's a work that's more liable to be dismissed as a "limited hangout" than read, since it contains no hint of controlled demolition, no mention of Building Seven, no suggestion of exotic weaponry. Its value to me was to make plain the convergent interests of parties which supposedly are forever at each others' throats, if their press releases are to believed. One example was the news, to me, that the first international arrest warrant made by a state against Osama bin Laden had been logged by Libya in 1998, stemming from the murder of two German intelligence agents in 1994. During this time, David Shayler headed MI5's Libya desk for counter-terrorism, which is where he learned of an MI6 plot to subcontract a Qaddafi assassination plot to the al Qaeda-affiliated Jama al-Islamiya al-Muqatila. (Though the February, 1996 bombing attempt failed, it managed to kill several of Qaddafi's bodyguards.) Shayler quit in disgust, took his information public, such as he could, and was eventually sentenced to six months for breaching the Official Secrets Act. (Significantly, al Qaeda and the Libyan jihadists are never mentioned now whenever the UK media refer to the assassination plot. It appears better that it be regarded as a straightforward MI6 "inside job" than as evidence for collusion between security agencies and bin Laden's network.)

Says the voice-over to Channel 4's Shayler report: "The path from mainstream whistleblower, to 9/11 conspiracy theorist, to now self-proclaimed Messiah could, arguably, be a wish come true for the secret services that once tried to gag him."

Ever since I read Forbidden Truth I've recognized the awkward implications of Shayler's whistleblowing to Western gamesmanship. But ever since I paid attention to Shayler the conspiracy theorist, I've considered him part of the problem of "9/11 Truth." And that is, the predilection to look for confirmation and even leadership from within the camp of state terror itself.

I don't mean that Shayler has necessarily played the spook all along. (And in fact, the more I consider the present situation, the less likely I think it.) What I do mean is that Shayler, like every figure who comes in from the cold, deserved to carry about with him a cloud of suspicion, especially within the conspiracy counterculture which so quickly embraced him as a hero and provided a bridge to a new life after he'd burned all his others. But instead, and because of his inside pedigree, Shayler was rewarded by becoming a much-in-demand speaker, a familiar talking head (though perhaps confirming the "maxim which states that any 'conspiracy theorist' who gets on telly a lot is definitely a knob"), and the voice of the 7/7 documentary Mind the Gap and 9/11 and the British Broadcasting Deception.

But blowing a whistle, no matter how well, did not confer upon Shayler special insight into the events and affects of September 11. "The twin towers did not collapse because of planes and fire," he said last Fall. "They were brought down in a controlled demolition. The Pentagon was most likely hit by an American missile, not an aeroplane." Any insight he might have brought as an insider to covert gamesplay was effectively quashed once New Truth dropped the parapolitical ball and stopped talking about al Qaeda in any meaningful fashion. He still had a platform and his new identity, but his opinions were just as potentially groundless as the worst of ours.

And then Shayler came out as a no-planer ("the only explanation is that they were missiles surrounded by holograms made to look like planes"), and last summer, "for some inexplicable reason," he introduced The Protocols of the Elders of Zion to the discussion during a Q&A following a screening of Mind the Gap. Remarked one observer, "I'm loathe to cast aspersions on anyone but for a moment I thought 'add "no planes" to "Zionists own the media and are the prime movers behind everything" is this trying to sabotage this movement or aid it?' For a moment, I thought, is this what the others really think? For tis not just daft but untrue."

If that had been the end of it, that should have been the end of him. But now, as well, he's the Messiah. And perhaps perversely, at last I can believe he's sincere. Damaged, persecuted and harassed, perhaps - a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief, even - but also a willing victim who has nursed his martyr complex until it metastasized into a psychic fugue: not the Higher Consciousness of We Are All One, but the hyper-inflated ego of I Am The One. To "the intelligence services that once sought to gag him," he hasn't proven much of a nuisance after all.

Perhaps 9/11 Truthers who now feel victimized by Shayler ought to ask themselves how much of a nuisance they themselves have really been to the black lodge, and what part the "Truth" movement's own flaws played in calling forth such a catastrophically flawed spokesman.

59 Comments:

Blogger tmb said...

The truth of 911 lies at the Venice Airport as pointed out so well by Daniel Hopsicker at his site: http://www.madcowprod.com/
and in his book Welcome To Terrorland and Barry And The Boys (about the USA's largest coke trafficker who was assassinated w/Bush I's phone number in his pocket etc.)

The background to 911 is massive global drug dealing by "intelligence" agencies and associated drug lords and agents who are "untouchable" due to "National Security" being attached to every crime they commit thus causing all investigations to disappear or be whitewashed (ala the 911 "Commission" farce). 911 was also one of the largest bank robberies in world history as the "pull" of the third building destroyed evidence for prosecution as to 100s of Billions of dollars - - prosecutions ended, billionaire perps walk on to make new money in the resulting "War On Terror" . . . the MSM and associated "journalists" never investigated Venice Airport a known "intelligence" old army airforce base from which many strange flights from proprietary airlines come in and out w/o scrutiny and which had alot of business in the IranContra days. . . Hopsicker documents one "flight school" operators plane being busted in Orlando w/40 plus pounds of heroin w/a get out of jail free card resulting and no prosecutions - - you try that magic and see if you ever see light of day from prison - - it was all "National Security" natch . . . a drug/"intelligence/arms dealing mafia runs the USA, who cares how they took down the towers, look at why and who . . . as they keep predicting the next "terrrra" attack as the reason to elect their next hand picked "head of the free world" - - Anthony Sutton, a true patriot whose work they fear so much they will not even mention it in our NYTwat and Pravda On The Potomac, told it like it was but few have heard the truth and we are seeing the results today of their Hegelian Dialectic control of "both" sides leading to mass murder and large profits for the Bonesmen and associates: http://www.antonysutton.com/

8/15/2007 05:13:00 PM  
Blogger tmb said...

Oh, and in case you missed this:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/80fa0a2c-49ef-11dc-9ffe-0000779fd2ac.html

US Heading For The Fall Just Like Rome - - sure gonna be ugly, but the "intelligence" services will continue "training" pilots like Atta, the coke snorting stripper chasing "fundamentalist" - - at the Venice Airport and elsewhere - - but don't worry the NYTwat and Pravda On The Potomac the WaHO will make sure you are uninformed but will always let you know how "free" you are . . . have some "freedom fries" w/your beer . . . .

8/15/2007 05:19:00 PM  
Blogger The Way It Can Be said...

The bigger question I think is why this person is getting such a platform.. who's reporting it and playing it up?

8/15/2007 07:49:00 PM  
Blogger Nojo Mixon said...

The real problem is the muslim maniacs. We are making positive progress in Iraq. Just look at all the rubble. The only problem is the muslim maniacs who want to kill innocent people.

8/15/2007 08:08:00 PM  
Blogger tridentblue said...

I used to be a big fan of Dion Fortune, but she really is a conservative. It is right to fight back when you are attacked, but generally when I hear people talking about how "easy" victims are making it, its from somebody justifying their own lack of involvement in helping them. If 9/11 truthers signed on with a guy who thinks hes Jesus, the person to attack is just the guy who thinks he's jesus, not his associates or proponents of other sane things he said. Anything else would be to participate in a dumbass propaganda technique.

8/15/2007 08:08:00 PM  
Blogger tsar_haller said...

From Post:
--"Something else Fortune wrote is that "an unwilling victim is a nuisance." That is, smart attackers will exploit flaws of character to the point where the victims become complicit in their own destruction. This is a tactic as true for what Fortune would call the "black lodge" as it is of any dark actors."--

Wow. Good advice! Let it be noted that Jeff is smarter than me.

8/15/2007 08:20:00 PM  
Blogger Nogo Mixon said...

Once upon a time there were 19 muslim maniacs with box cutters. They killed nearly 3,000 innocent people, if you believe the boxcutter myth. So we had to bomb Afghanistan and kill 30,000 innocent people to even the score. Then there was one muslim maniac named Saddam. So we had to bomb Iraq and kill a million or more innocent people to show him who was boss. Now there are muslim maniacs in Iran, so we might have to kill another few million innocent people to stop those muslim, er uh....maniacs from, er uh....killing innocent people.

Don't you get it yet?

Muslim maniacs are responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent muslim people.

When will they give up their death-loving ways?

They should wise up and become Christians and Jews and atheists like the rest of us good as apple pie folk.

8/15/2007 08:28:00 PM  
Blogger Rosalee said...

David Shayler was spooking all along. No real No Planers believe in Holograms and haven't since 2003, when we discovered there were no "thousands of witnesses."

The second hit cartoons which violate Newton's Third Law were made in a geo positioned desktop view animation system that is part of FCS, Future Combat Systems of the Joint Military.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLROLbkfc5o
911 Octopus - The Up and Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpyBtOT1l2k
Iran Link to 9-11 and WTC Video Plane Crash
Joe From El Paso Explains FCS To You - 911 Octopus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd2iL6ha59A

8/15/2007 09:07:00 PM  
Blogger Belliosto said...

Hello IC. In your last post you said... Another thing that baffles me about the whole thing is why the Secret Service or the Satanic Spammers who clotted this venue until Jeff finally exorcised them through the Registered User filter would even care about how a handful of nuts viewed the fabric of reality...

I understand your post and do not sympathize with the SSers. But I do not believe that everybody who has contributed or read the posts here regard themselves as nuts. The SSers viewpoints about the fabric of reality are nutty. I know that you probably agree. Yeah Jeff could hire watchdogs to keep an eye out for em and when the time is right, Blam, Pow, Kapowee delete em froms posting anymores. I also am not missing the fact that you do not actually mean nuts in a negative sense of the word. The idea of the posters here being royalty and the SSers came to put a stop to us communicating is rather dumb. Nope just regular non billionaire types here. Maybe they were teenagers IC. Kids having fun screwing around. If not kids then adults screwing around for kicks. Sharing their religious viewpoints with the principles of insanity as stick figures separated from the other people. They are the censors to these posts. Redundant, boring, self interested cry babies looking always to be the center of attention.

8/16/2007 12:03:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

In a previous thread a commentor engaged in performance art that seemed to make Jeff whip out the censor's iron. I had a perfect reply to this commentor but I was too lazy and came back to find the lance's hot hole smoldering. I'm going to post the link anyhoo. I think it's fitting for the past few threads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOY-jJeOeBk


"Stick the word death on your forehead and keep it there."
- Buddhist death meditation recommendation

8/16/2007 12:19:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

IC.. I was one of those who suggested that Jeff move away from anonymous blogging. I also suggested he use Wordpress on the blog as it is even more secure and requires an email address. The fact that many no longer post here is not a reflection on a tight security as Blogger is not that. It can easily be used by Google to track all comments regardless of what handle is used which of course includes you. The only people who don't know who you are, r us.

Jeff. as far as David Shayler is concerned, this is the first I've heard of him. Reading the comments field of the watcher's webzine reveals that many who knew him, defend him and many who didn't do not sympathize with his recent state of mind.

I think David is fulfilling prophecy. That may be his goal. The "Many are called, few are chosen" is scriptural as far as I recall.

8/16/2007 12:54:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Belliosto,

Yeah, I get your point, but it still doesn't answer the question of why half the old crowd disappeared when RI went RU. Ericswan is also correct when he says that the whole screen name anonymity thing is pretty flimsy anyway...so, where did everyone go?

I'm not criticizing Jeff here, and I'm not arguing with either one of you guys on this issue--I just don't really understand what happened. On the one hand, the "coincidence" of the decimated fields and the advent of RU seems rather apparent, while on the other, I can't imagine that anyone in a position to care about these things would have been paying so much attention to what we say here.

I have heard from several sources that whenever I link from here to their websites & blogs that their visitors are ghosted by addresses registered at Langley and even Darth Cheney's office, but why? Okay, maybe we're not "nuts" (which I meant in the happiest sense of the word, as you recognized), and maybe Jeff and a few others here occasionally write things which the Minders would rather they didn't, but, c'mon! Are they so insecure in their serial monopolies that disgruntled grunts, insomniac researchers and utopian hookah-hitters actually pose some sort of threat?

To what?

Drew's trance music shields, ericswan's gardens, and Mark's chronicles of shadiness (I won't even mention my hobbit holes and mindmeld fantasies) are going to push the reading public over the tipping point?

It seems to me that incorrigible elements like us are best left ignored--there is such a thing as bad publicity, depending on who you are and what your trip is, as we see in the case of the spook-turned-messiah.

8/16/2007 02:17:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

http://i-r-squared.blogspot.com/2007/08/big-oil-and-iraq.html


Anybody want to have a go at consipracy theory? He's asking for it.

8/16/2007 04:44:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

I'm going to buy some Salvia.

Anybody want to warn or show me?

8/16/2007 04:48:00 AM  
Blogger wwwdotcom said...

syn diesel-

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZsdwQSwF_ak

www.erowid.com

8/16/2007 05:53:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

From Dion;

"That is, smart attackers of the psyche will exploit flaws of character to the point where the victims become complicit in their own destruction."

Our flaws of character stem from not seeing the place where we took a wrong step. Our wrong steps result from over commitment to ideas that do not deserve the attention they get. The incorrectly chosen imperative will screw us every time.

Dion rocks, in her own way.

8/16/2007 06:33:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

IC said:

"Are they so insecure in their serial monopolies that disgruntled grunts, insomniac researchers and utopian hookah-hitters actually pose some sort of threat?"

um, I would say yes. On both counts. Most of their 'control' is through information guidance and information filters, and they know it. The past 80 years have almost perfected a completely guided centralized society that doesn't even know it's centralized, since it is based on Bernay's principles.

Mockingbird? Echelon? Promis?

Because it is more than simply serial monopolies, they are serial killers. "Psychopathocracy" as a form of government. Not the grunts reading the emails though their implanted unqualified crony bosses, people who decide on the actions (or inactions, like on 9-11) of what to do with loyally gathered intelligence to turn it into disloyalty to the patriotic sentiments under which the grunts think it is gathered.

Particularly in the latest streamlined digitally enhanced iteration, they have entirely destroyed any sense of privacy or limited government in the recent law. And a government without limitations is innately a tyranny.

The recent U.S. passed law (that will effect the world's telecommunications) gutted judicial requirements first before executive spying on anyone, requiring private communications corporations become part of the state OPENLY (without judicial court orders ) and are now forced to turn over information to become just an adjunct spy tool. Not like many disagreed before though..., though at least there were frameworks for redress. No longer. They don't want redress of anything.

They have set up a completely carceral panopticon that is coming into the open. Nicholas Rockefeller said it all to Aaron Russo, they want a seamless 'quiet police state' without judicial checks and balances over all basic everyday digital and phone communication and they want everyone chipped and controlled and monitored in everything they do--while the psychopathocracy will get a free pass with complete parasitical liberties as overlords, above any laws. It's like a global techno-Prussia, if you know anything about Prussian history and its laws.

And given the occult angle to much of this, it's an occult psychopathocracy, which makes it a form of cloaked theocracy.

The only thing that will come from that is that they will go after people who expose their own individual criminality and state terrorism with that power--instead of really be interested in hunting down terrorists. (As said above, when they actually find systemic organized crime, they just hit themselves on the head and say "Doh! Sorry there dude! Just take a pass on your black projects funding cocaine shipments, that's fine with us. Just a few crossed wires back at the office, we're sorry we ever bothered you about the shipment. Take care., etc. xx oo."

Wasn't it ol CIA head Casey who said that the CIA "owns everyone of importance in the mainstream media?" And didn't they (I assume) even kill ol Casey later when he started working with John DeCamp (author, Franklin Cover-up/"Gosch", etc.)

If you read Constantine's Virtual Government you will have a clue of what they plan digitally.

Some review excerpts there:

"This frightening and almost depressing research, drive us to the quasi unknown underground word of conspiracies.

Starting in the previous years of WWII, Mr. Constantine guided us through the tortuous ways used by de nazis to get into power and how after the end of the war - in collaboration with several US agencies - infiltrated and blended into American culture, economy, society and policy but the most shocking part of this research is how these "organizations" manipulated the citizenry.

Operation Mockingbird, created with the purpose of total control of the mass media, buying newspapers, magazines, tv channels and infiltrating Hollywood to influence and control public opinion.

[Good review of Mockingbird, from Constantine as well:

TITLES ONLY



OUR STORY BEGINS WITH THE CIA INFILTRATION OF THE WASHINGTON POST

AND MOVED TO THE NEW YORK TIMES, NEWSWEEK, AND CBS by 1950s

25 NEWSPAPERS AND WIRE ORGANIZATIONS, UNDER THE CIA

FOIA: FREEDOM OF INFORMATION DOCUMENTS, CIA BRAGS ON PLACING CIA AGENTS IN ALL MAJOR MEDIA

WARTIME COLONEL, FOUNDER OF CBS

ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF BERLIN-FILM, HEROIN SMUGGLER, HUBERT VON BLEUCHER, HE BROUGHT GERMAN FUNDS TO FOUND NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY IN ARGENTINA, AFTER THIS HE WENT TO WORK IN HOLLYWOOD, AND FOR DISNEY, THEN BACK TO GERMANY TO MAKE ANTI-CHEMICAL WARFARE AGENTS FOR THE GOVERNMENT

MORE NAZI FINANCIERS: MOSES ANNENBERG AND WALTER ANNENBERG, MOB CONNECTED

REAGAN AND CIA; OPERATION OCTOPUS

HALE BOGGS DISAPPEARED INVESTIGATING OPERATION OCTOPUS, DURING WATERGATE PROBE

REAGAN, THE "GREAT FBI COMMUNICATOR": FBI INFORMER, REAGAN HAD AN FBI INFORMER'S CODE "T-10" [Reagan a Bohemian Grover as well, sent in his state's National Guard to quell student protests and encouraged a California police state on any dissent]

WALTER CRONKITE: FORMER INTELLIGENCE OFFICER, UPI'S MOSCOW CORRESPONDENT, LURED TO CBS LATER

CAP CITIES, ANOTHER CIA TELEVISION CONGLOMERATE

CAP CITIES CHIEF COUNCIL WAS WILLIAM CASEY, OSS VETERAN, CASEY LATER THE HEAD OF THE CIA IN THE 1980s


PRIVATE FOUNDATIONS WITH CIA LINKS, USING PUBLIC MONEY FOR PROPAGANDA

CHICAGO MOB AND CIA IN THE FILM INDUSTRY IN HOLLYWOOD

COLUMBIA PICTURES HEAD VISITS BENITO MUSSOLINI IN 1933, REMODELED HIS OFFICE AFTER BENITO'S

BY 1950s, CIA SPENDING 1/3 OF ITS BUDGET ON GLOBAL PROPAGANDA

COST BY 1978 FOR THIS GLOBAL 'CIA NEWS WIRE': $265 MILLION A YEAR, BUDGET LARGER THAN REUTERS, UPI, AND AP WIRES COMBINED

COPELY NEWS SERVICE AND THE CIA, ADMITTAL IN 1977, 23 COPELY NEWS SERVICE EMPLOYEES WERE FULL TIME
CIA EMPLOYEES
[The CIA's global above the board budget is around 40 BILLION dollars total now.]


The rest at the above link if you want details, those were just the titles.]

...

Best Book on American Fascism I have read, April 3, 2000

....

This is without a doubt the best book on techno-fascism, hell, on fascism in general, that I have ever read. This is the unadulterated, universally censored truth about domestic politics, and Alex Constantine is a courageous journalist indeed to take on the "Establishment" with intelligence and clarity. The documentation is exhaustive, and I recommend this book to one and all. I anxiously await his next tour de force.

/endquote




Everyone is aware now to the extent that the whole U.S. is is directed like the Wizard of Oz--with the media particularly in the USA is parapolitically dominated and filtered and directed (see how fast they can get rid of Rosie O'Donnell; or Donahue, once they start talking about systemic manipulation?]. It's relatively easy to aim aggregate short-term attention spans and aggregate emotional irrationalty any little object that the news guiders want to focus on.

Even Jeff wrote an article a while back about the early CIA connections to the very guy who was chosen to direct the 'Republican debates,' Anderson Cooper?

It all goes back to Bernays. Bernays' prophetic and proto-fascist text Propaganda (reading like a corporatist thought control manifesto, which had aspects utilized by the Nazis when the came to power) still says it all. I've linked and provided some commentary on the Adam Curtis films (where they failed to go far enough) a few threads back, if you want to see more on the design of corporatism as their state model. Though most of us already know this, which is why I tend to concentrate on other points about how to get out, in Toward A Bioregional State.

The elite world has hardly changed since the 1930s.

How else do you get a linage like the Bush family Nazi-era war criminal family (via Prescott Bush, father of GHWB, and banker for Nazi Thyssen in the USA during WWII) into the Presidency, not once though twice, unless something is seriously awry behind the numbing flatness and shifting colors of the TV screen? Turn it off, if you haven't already. How can anyone be blind to it anymore? Its in your face, breathing down your neck.

8/16/2007 09:57:00 AM  
Blogger muddy elephant said...

I think Sounder nailed it beautifully: the subtext of this post and blog in general--never to lose sight of the latent sources of our own closely held ideas/theories/nature of reality, etc...

"Our flaws of character stem from not seeing the place where we took a wrong step. Our wrong steps result from over commitment to ideas that do not deserve the attention they get. The incorrectly chosen imperative will screw us every time."

I would change the latter sentence to:

"The unskillfully chosen imperative will screw us every time."

It takes skill, one might even say rigorous intuition, to thoroughly examine reality. We easily and complicitly dig our own graves when we overlook this simple fact.

Looking at our own personal "freewill" in this manner is difficult. Balance the outer and the inner. It's not all one or the other.

The out-of-balance "truth" movements, in whatever guise, will inevitably self-destruct.

8/16/2007 01:23:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

Look,
We all know at some point the
"crunch" is going to come, and we
know where its going to come from.
As I move around the web I hear
more and more talk from the TPTB
that the Internet should be
"controlled" or shut down all
together. The way I see it this blog,
and others like it, is the last
vestige of a "free" and open society.
And I am not willing to give it up
just because my ISP link is being
sent to "Homeland Security" or
Darth Cheneys office. I get the
impression from some people,
including some of my closest friends, that we can't win this
fight. That its too big and "they"
have all the power and technology
"they" need to subjugate the rest
of us proles. Who really knows?
Maybe they do, and that's a scary
fucking thought. But the one thing
I do know is this: If they try to
take us down we will not roll over
and make it easy for them. We will
go down swinging....

"Rage, rage, rage.!.. Against the
dieing of the light..."

8/16/2007 01:26:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"Although the prodigious spectacle of folly we are facing here may be horrible, it is always interesting."
Sade


"I called the world up on the telephone and implored them:

How much of you belongs to the Combine? If they take your money in taxes and your sons in wars, how do you differ from the cow who is milked or the pig who is eaten? Do you breed for them like a stallion in a pasture? Is the get of your loins theirs to dispose of? Even a no-good shit afraid that Daddy will come and slice it off has some rights, doesn't he? Or does he? Is there any sacrifice you will not make? Is there any discipline you will not accept? Is there any order you will not obey? Is there any shit you will not eat?

Who got the Indian Sign on you? How did it start? At age 12, worrying that J. Edgar Hoover was watching you jack off through his Washington telescope? Was it the bogey-man they scared you with? "Don't make dirty-dirty in your pants or ogres will come and eat you"? Circumcision the most cruel and inhuman attack on the genital accepted by your doctors; why? Schedule feeding that fucked up the minds of a generation; why? Is that how they get the soldiers for their wars? The whip-and-belt boys, the uniform-and-discipline boys, the Pentagon boys, all one big happy spanking-orgy?

And the operator said, "I'm sorry, sir. The world is not answering the phone anymore. It's watching television."
R.A.W


"Marat
these cells of the inner self
are worse than the deepest stone dungeon
and as long as they are locked
all your revolution remains
only a prison mutiny
to be put down
by corrupted fellow prisoners"
Marat/Sade

8/16/2007 01:56:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

The battle doesn't stop here. It goes into the next plane. That's why I think time is the sixth sense. That's why the top of the pyramid is lifted off it's base. The top is floating in the timespace continuum. The experiences of the five senses plus time is a resonance that is permanently imbued and is not destroyed even as we spiral into the vortex of a black hole. We live to fight another day. The interconnected triangles of the seal of Solomon of one pointing up and the other pointed down is the future and as these forces move from the triangle to the line to the point to naught, is in the balance. The teams are equal. That should give us pause to recognize the truth.

Jeff subscribes to the whole is greater than its parts when he says...
a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief, even - but also a willing victim who has nursed his martyr complex until it metastasized into a psychic fugue:

I subscribe to Nature and a flock of geese or ducks or swans. One flies the point. When he or she tires, another takes it's place. The struggle is away from God.

8/16/2007 02:09:00 PM  
Blogger James said...

In 1976 I became Jesus, Hendrix, and JFK. Sure, it may have had something to do with the LSD I'd been taking, or what was later to be defined as "Bipolar Disorder", but after thirty years with this "diagnosis" it seems clear that my body manufactures a shitload of spiritual biochemistry no matter how few external chemicals I ingest.

Why?

Yes, I said "spiritual biochemistry", because researching this "mental illness" reveals a far too coincidental happenstance of interconnected feelings, extreme hyper-awareness including clairaudience, etc. The soul apparently interacts across the brain barrier, or the other way around, to generate a vastly more interesting perceptual state than Starbucks can.

A little as a few hundred years ago I'd have been burned at the stake as a witch.

As little as four hundred years ago I'd have been individuated as a shaman.

Today I'm mentally ill, which, if you believe the media, appears to be some kind of pharmaceutical deficiency, corrected only by the perfect balance of increasingly expensive, and equally increasingly dangerous drugs. The only one I take is for sleep, at 1/10th the recommended dose.

I find Michael Gruber's book, "Tropic Of Night" an interesting fictional approach to this spiritual biochemistry, with the body manufacturing various chemicals based on what external effect is desired.

I wonder what the true power of our souls could be, if the ignorance and religious trappings could be moved aside just long enough to find out.

May the Lord be with you, and ask not what you can do, and DOO DOO DUUHH, DOO DOO DOO DUHH. (Purple Haze)

8/16/2007 02:25:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Jeff posted a great theory proferred in the NY Times. We are a simulation.....I dig it with utter dread....it does explaina lot of things nicely, though, that are otherwise unexplained.

Good stuff, Richard, and exactly the sentiments I posted on Eve's blog.

8/16/2007 02:27:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Jeff said, on the theme of 'inaction in action':

"One example was the news, to me, that the first international arrest warrant made by a state against Osama bin Laden had been logged by Libya in 1998,...

The Bushes and the bin Ladens go way back.

Here's a really easy list of Bush and bin Laden connections (19 points!) point by point with links for you.

George W. Bush made his first millions with bin Laden money--it was Salem bin Laden's money to George Bush's "Arbusto Energy", through Bush friend James Bath; the bin Laden family connections of the Bush family are quite easy to trace to the present to the immediate aftermath of 9-11 even in Jeff's favorite area of the networks of interconnection.

("James" and his spiritual biochemistry issues above touches on a point above that I would lightly chide Jeff for assuming that someone who 'gets religion' (as they attempt to understand it) all of a sudden must be crazy. I think Shayler seems to be attempting to understand something. Or he's crazy. I don't know, and I really don't care to wallow on Shayler the person, though in that clip he looks in better physical shape than I have ever seen him in various media clips before.

I do take Jeff's point on the danger of uncritically accepting intelligence community members as 'natural born leaders' of high level criminal conspiracy exposures (ex, otherwise, or pretended 'ex's which is a rabbit hole that is pointless for us out of the know to get into).

However, it's these networks that are in the know or limited know, so they are perched in an odd social situation, eh?

I mean for instance, I haven't heard Jeff harping about Wayne Madsen ex NSA or his 9-11 issues as he works as a journalist.

I don't think there can be support for the contention that everyone in the intelligence business is categorically evil, though many perhaps are misled by their leadership such as it is.

After all it's FBI people like those two who went to see Palast with their documents concerning the Bush family's order of "stop researching bin Laden" passed down immediately from early 2001. They are truly doing the world a service.

There's that other FBI whistleblower (forget his name, he looks really nerdy with "Clark Kent" like glasses, is it "Williams", sorry, I forget his name right now.) Anyway, he attempted to publish a book that the intelligence services I think still are holding up. He said that he had traced all the bin Laden financial dealings--then he was told to politely "shut the **ck up" about it, by his superior posteriors in early 2001 as well.

And, Jeff, I still don't see the requirements for pretending controlled demolition is mutually exclusive to supposed 'other' issues you prefer to discuss; it's artificially divisive in my opinion, to keep insisting there's some categorical imperative that separates controlled demolition from other intelligence related intercessions.

And who cares about Shayler's religious issues (however much he does look like Friar Tuck in your image there. Nice Photoshopping. And I particularly liked the color scheme of your previous "Author, Author" image and its pieces: care to explain what you were thinking of when you made it?)

Playing devil's advocate, maybe Shayler is the Second Coming (or third or fourth or fifth, how many others may have been killed over the years and centuries?) We could use a few more truthfully righteous people around, regardless of whatever religious tradition (or lack thereof) they associate themselves. It matters little to me.

I don't see what Shayler's little 'Kundalini confusions' have to do with the leap in the video piece you linked about how this is being spun hard as 'discrediting 9-11 issues he discussed.'

Though it's strange that he wants to go through his "transpersonal phase" in the mainstream media, I the only connection to 9-11 issues and this story was entirely the voice over narration, and it didn't even bother to talk of exactly what Shayler had said before on numerous occassions it just broadbrushed the 9-11 angle into the voiceover.

I personally haven't seen any evidence for holograms, though I'd be open to see. I do think there is some evidence for inline manipulation of live footage (with CGI inserts in some clips, not all of what was broadcast and subsequently becoming the 'official visual record'), though there are many other 9-11 areas that can show complicity, standdown, plane substitution (the pods and the bizarre flashes of light as whatever they turned into later hit the WTC1 and WTC2 as they went in).

It's not like there is a dearth of information that we have to compete what is "most important or central" to 9-11. There's unfortunately an embarrassment of riches of 9-11 complicity issues.

(This film concentrates non-exclusively on the plane substitutions, pods, WTC controlled demolitions, and Pentagon attack building damage without a Boeing:

911: Ripple Effect - Full Length Video
1 hr 27 min - Jul 9, 2007
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9127706080717077488

)

If Jeff "likes" (I'm not sure that's the correct word, it sort of makes me queasy to use it in this way) just the intelligence operatives intersection side of 9-11, just look into Tampa's Al-Arain (Bush's personal friend Al-Arain) and look into WAMY and Al-Amoudi (which has bin Laden, Rove, and Grover Nordquist connections; Al-Amoudi's picture was even found in the "Hamburg apartment" story of the "al Queda cell", though nothing was forthcoming about that.).

These connections show Bush networks physically meeting the false flagger networks in the run up and the immediate aftermath of 9-11.

And how can we forget? Let's recall the special "Bush- sponsored bin Laden family escape" via their chartered Boeing during the national flight stop in the wake of 9-11. Just another example of what I was saying above, criminal overlords above the laws flying about the world holding off administering the laws on each other.

19 Points about the Bush family, the bin Laden family, and 9-11 networks

Note:

1. - Sudan said they would turn over a lot of info on bin Laden and associates that they had accumulated to the USA; USA refused, didn't want to see it

2. - Summer 2001: Taliban said we can capture bin Laden and hold him for you, even let him be killed by the U.S.; U.S. refuses in Summer 2001; Bush then gets into the media and blames the Taliban for sheltering bin Laden. All the U.S. attack forces are already positioned in the Middle East--that is how they could "respond" (sic, really get the jump start because they were in on it and already mobilized and waiting the trigger event) on 9-11.

3. What explains the decided lack of interest? This short video remembers that a huge amount of bin Laden family members were allowed out of the USA immediately after 9-11 to get them out of U.S. jurisdiction; these flights out of the U.S. occurred during the total ground stop in the wake of 9-11.

"PALAST:
In the eight weeks since the attacks, over 1,000 suspects and potential witnesses have been detained. Yet, just days after the hijackers took off from Boston aiming for the Twin Towers [Palast doesn't touch 9-11 inconsistencies with that story with a ten foot pole you note...], a special charter flight out of the same airport whisked 11 members of Osama Bin Laden's family off to Saudi Arabia. That did not concern the White House.

Their official line is that the Bin Ladens are above suspicion - apart from Osama, the black sheep, who they say hijacked the family name. That's fortunate for the Bush family and the Saudi royal household, whose links with the Bin Ladens could otherwise prove embarrassing.

4. But Newsnight has obtained evidence that the FBI was on the trail of other members of the Bin Laden family for links to terrorist organisations before and after September 11th.

This document is marked "Secret". Case ID - 199-Eye WF 213 589. 199 is FBI code for case type. 9 would be murder. 65 would be espionage. 199 means national security. WF indicates Washington field office special agents were investigating Abdullah bin Laden - because of it's relationship with the World Assembly of Muslim Youth, WAMY - a suspected terrorist organisation.

ABL is Abdullah Bin Laden, president and treasurer of WAMY.

This is the sleepy Washington suburb of Falls Church, Virginia where almost every home displays the Stars and Stripes. On this unremarkable street, at 3411 Silver Maple Place, we located the former home of Abdullah and another brother, Omar, also an FBI suspect.

It's conveniently close to WAMY. The World Assembly of Muslim Youth is in this building, in a little room in the basement at 5613 Leesburg Pike.

5. And here, just a couple blocks down the road at 5913 Leesburg, is where four of the [non-]hijackers that attacked New York and Washington are listed as having lived." [They couldn't fly small planes much less Boeing's.]


6. WAMY connects to Bush friend Grover Nordquist

7. and Bush connected to another front area of 9-11, via his personal friend Al-Arain

8. and Bush close friend Al-Amoudi, who has Pentagon connections, was connected to WAMY

The US as rogue state! BUSH personally MEETS FALSE FLAGGER ORGANIZERS SIDE OF 9-11, post 9-11!:

AL-ARIAN
[Baraka Group in Tampa, FL funding; , meets George Bush]

AL-AMOUDI
[WAMY/World Association of Muslim Youth/ABDULLAH BIN LADEN connection, Virginia branch of funding; Al-Amoudi is close associate of Rove's Republican strategist Grover Nordquist.]

GROVER NORDQUIST/KARL ROVE connected with AL-AMOUDI! this is [likely] the chain of people via which loyal FBI agents were told by the "White House" to stop investigating 9-11 false flag operations going on], and BUSH PERSONALLY

[Tampa's] Sami al-Arian photographed with Bush

and

[WAMY's] Abdurahman al-Amoudi [associate of Abdullah bin Laden/WAMY] photographed with the Bush President and met with Administration Officials post-9/11, yet both have links to the ["official cover story" of the] September 11 plot.

Bush meets with "Al-queda" agents post 9-11:
http://www.madcowprod.com/10292004issue.html

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/301639.shtml

In other words, close friend of Rove, Grover Nordquist, seems the "Al Queda middleman" contact.

9. Earlier, Bushes and bin Ladens presumably used to vacation together and go way back, I forget who claimed the vacation time together, though 'with friends like these,' as they say,.. likely how bin Laden money started to fund Bush family operations:

10. "In 1979, Bush’s friend James Bath was the sole U.S. business representative for Salem bin-Laden, scion of the wealthy Saudi bin-Laden family and Osama’s half-brother. While fronting for Salem bin-Laden, Bath [i.e., BIN LADEN MONEY INTO THE BUSH FAMILY] helped bankroll Bush’s first company, Arbusto Energy, by investing $50,000 for a five percent stake.


11. [Salem bin Laden died in one of those statistically unlikely 'plane accidents' that tend to kill many Bush helpers. "Salem bin Laden died when for no apparent reason, he flew his airplane into power lines where it became entangled, and fell 150 feet to the ground. "He was a very experienced pilot. He was a good pilot. We just can't understand why he decided to go right instead of left," recalled airstrip owner Earl May field." for a fuller list:

HIGH SCORES

14,813 dead

OPPONENT
ASSASSINATIONS ?

CONVENIENT SUICIDE 7

CONVENIENT
PLANE CRASHES 10


DEATH
PENALTY 152

9/11
WTC 2,801

9/11
PENTAGON 190

AFGHANI
CIVILIANS 4,000

IRAQI CIVILIANS 7653

]

12. GHWB close with Osama bin Laden as well:

In the 1980s, Osama bin-Laden established himself as an Islamic fighter by battling side-by-side with Afghan rebels whose guerrilla war against the Soviet Army and bin Laden surrogates were staunchly supported by George H.W. Bush, first as vice president and then as president.

By the late 1990s, bin-Laden had become recognized as a major terrorist threat against the United States...[so they say, though

13. the FBI says they have no evidence that bin Laden is involved in 9-11;

14. International media reported high level CIA and Osama bin Laden meetings in the U.S. hospital at Dubai in the days before 9-11.

15. Still, when the CIA warned George W. Bush on Aug. 6, 2001, that [his financial friends] bin-Laden was determined “to strike in U.S.,” Bush went fishing and continued a month-long vacation,...


16. Later of course Bush quipping, on OBL, "not really concerned about him really, don't spend much time on him.

Don't spend much time on anything apparently:

Bush "truly not concerned" about bin Laden!

Bush tells reporters during a press conference that he isn't concerned about bin Laden only 6 months after 9/11, then lies about it during the 2004 Debates.

Bush "acts like it was a triumph over the human spirit. It wasn't, it was a fuck-up by a guy on vacation." - Bill Maher

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President spends 40% of time out of the office

Gary Younge in New York
Monday April 12, 2004
The Guardian

President George Bush has spent more than 40% of his presidency at one of his three retreats, ...

17. Many of these vacations were defense or domestic emergency standdown periods, as this notes.

Bush on track to become the vacation president

By JULIE MASON
Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau

President Bush ....sets an excellent example on taking vacation.

On Thursday, Bush left for a weekend in Kennebunkport, Maine, and his family's summer compound, Walker's Point.

On Monday, he heads to his Crawford retreat, where he has spent all or part of 418 days of his presidency, according to Mark Knoller, a CBS News White House correspondent and meticulous record-keeper.

Never a fan of Washington's more cosmopolitan pleasures, Bush will be in Central Texas for about two weeks, with an overnight trip to Ottawa to meet with the [NAU] leaders of Canada and Mexico.

Bush's August sojourn will be his 65th trip to Crawford, according to Knoller.

The 1,600-acre ranch has proved a durable haven for Bush, who often disappears into its varied landscapes for days or weeks at a time without public appearances.

The presidential vacation-time record holder is the late Ronald Reagan, who tallied 436 days in his two terms. At 418 days, and with 17 months to go in his presidency, Bush is going to beat that easily.

Even so, this year's August vacation for Bush is a contrast to previous years such as 2005, when he dragged out vacation in Texas to five weeks.

That was also the year Bush remained on vacation immediately after Hurricane Katrina hit.

Vice President Dick Cheney generally takes August off, often heading to Wyoming or coastal Maryland.

Still, all this governmental time off is more than most Americans are taking. A recent survey by Yahoo Hot Jobs found nearly half of American workers did not take all of their vacation days last year.

Bush, on his 10th visit to Kennebunkport as president (according to Knoller), is scheduled for lunch Saturday with [equally vote frauding] French President Nicolas Sarkozy [he of the devil's sign in his acceptance speech, and nice assortment of the people making these signs in public speeches and the corporate media for those 'in the know' at that link.]

Sarkozy steals French Presidential Runoff election with American ES&S e-vote machines
author: Wayne Madsen reposts

The runoff demographics weren't there for his win. Only Sarkozy supports unverifiable e-vote machines for France which were widely utilized. ..."ES&S's I-Votronic machines were used in both elections across France. Only Sarkozy's party was supportive of the machines, with all the other political parties calling for a moratorium on their use. Turnout in the French election was 85 percent. With large turnouts historically favoring the left in France, the exit polling and actual polling were at odds with the turnout -- an indication of massive election fraud." --- "Similar polling irregularities were experienced in recent elections in Scotland, Wales, and England.

In Scotland, 100,000 ballots, thought to mostly be cast for the pro-independence Scottish National Party, were declared "spoiled" in Scotland's election. That "glitch" cost the Scottish Nationalists a larger majority in the Scottish Parliament.

Irregularities in Wales and England similarly affected larger margins for Welsh and Cornish nationalists.

As the Bretons and Corsicans will soon discover with Sarkozy, regional nationalism is anathema to the globalist neo-con agenda, particularly the international bankers who want strong centralized control and minimal devolution of power to local and regional governments.

The electoral malfeasance of neo-cons in manipulating elections in France, Britain, Canada, the United States, Italy, Australia, Peru, Costa Rica, Mexico, and other countries will remain a problem until the people, acting through the power of progressive, anti-globalist, and anti-capitalist governments, seize control, via whatever means necessary, of the media, the voting and vote counting process, and the opinion polling mechanisms.



18. Bin Ladens and the Bush family still investing together in Carlyle Corporation

PALAST:
Does the Bush family also have to worry about political blow-back? The younger Bush made his first million 20 years ago with an oil company partly funded by Salem Bin Laden's chief US representative. Young George also received fees as director of a subsidiary of Carlyle Corporation, a little known private company which has, in just a few years of its founding, become one of Americas biggest defence contractors. His father, Bush Senior, is also a paid advisor. And what became embarrassing was the revelation that the Bin Ladens held a stake in Carlyle, sold just after September 11.

...

PALAST:
I received a phone call from a high-placed member of a US intelligence agency. He tells me that while there's always been constraints on investigating Saudis, under George Bush it's gotten much worse. After the elections, the agencies were told to "back off" investigating the Bin Ladens and Saudi royals, and that angered agents. I'm told that since September 11th the policy has been reversed. FBI headquarters told us they could not comment on our findings. A spokesman said: "There are lots of things that only the intelligence community knows and that no-one else ought to know.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/multimedia_priorknowledge_palast_newsnight.html

19. Back even when the WTCs were being built in the early 1970s, the Bin Laden Construction company was working on it, with Minoru Yamasaki, main architect. And there is an interesting tidbit that they were charged with going around asking "where would you put the demolition charges."

"Well, I knew exactly why [the trade towers came down]... people talked about Building 7 coming down at the same time, I knew why. Because, when I was there, there were these engineers from Saudi Arabia, actually part of the Bin Laden construction company, because Yamasaki [WTC main architect] worked with them and built them up...and they started in Arabia and worked for Yamasaki, and was doing all kinds of things for them, airports, schools, doing very large projects...and he just brought them over. And I saw these guys...these swarthy looking guys wandering around, and some of them were asking me "where would you put demolition devices?" "Well, I'm not really an engineer, but I'm curious to know [laughing] why, why would you put things in to demolish it, when it's not even built?" Then he replied "Well, that's the way things are going now."

20. Say cheers to your Al-Queda assets in the White House...

8/16/2007 03:23:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Mark,

Even though you’re right in all you’ve said, I still have to disagree, and it’s not just to be contrary, either. It’s the paradox of the endgame, for just as true as it is that all that’s needed is for the much-contested hearts & minds of the world to see the nature of the swindle that’s been perpetrated in order to re-order the world along sustainable lines and thereby ending our epochal serfdom, so too is it true that the illusion of scarcity is stronger than the reality of abundance.

Let me put this another way, from my own personal experience. Due to my inability to work or sleep and my compulsion to understand the reality behind the airy eerie airtight illusion, I read about 3 to 4 hundred pages a day (mostly fiction, because it’s “truer”), write a tiny fraction of that input, and spend the rest of my time playing with my youngest and teaching her languages and other tools of the Story.

Synchronicity being what it is, Jeff drew our attention the other day to the Pynchon/Kafka-esque nature of our authorship of our everyday reality just as I was about to break ground on Pynchon’s new one, Against the Day. I hadn’t quite started it yet because I was still caught like a fly in another mirror called The Glass Books of the Dream-Eaters, by Gordon Dahlquist. TGBOTDE is a sort of mystery set in a familiar, turn-of-the-20th-century universe where TPTB have stumbled upon the arcane & ancient secret of trapping the reality of dreams & experience in these indigo-illuminated glassy books, a process that empties the minds of the “readers” and ensorcles their souls in the service of Empire. That metaphor is rounded out with much titillating & typical elite dark ritual/sexual & moral debauchery: it works as well as any other explanation of how the world really turns.

So today, when I finally get step into Pynchon’s world (which, btw, I just “happened” to pick up at the Library, along with that gothically dark gem by Dahlquist, without any conscious plan whatsoever), I find another familiar universe—maybe even the same—also set in the time between the 1893 Columbian Exposition and "The War to End All Wars," one of those pivotal points in the common trajectory, along with the 1930s, the 50s and the 70s.

In the very opening chapters, we find fictional characters (ballooning young adventurers who are propelled through serial, ethereal madcaps with the aid of a certain perpetual motion engine) within the “fiction” who begin to doubt their unreality, book reading dogs, and various agents of the Empire setting the stage for the reality in which we find ourselves in these early days of the 21st century. As an historical aside and a preface for what’s to come, we learn of the existence of other pioneering balloonists:

…this outfit had first been formed over twenty years ago, during the (1871) Sieges of Paris, when manned balloons were often the only way to communicate in or out of the city. As the ordeal went on, it became clear to certain of these balloonists, observing from above and poised ever upon a cusp of mortal danger, how much the modern State depended for its survival on maintaining a permanent siege—through the systematic encirclement of populations, the starvations of bodies and spirits, the relentless degradations of civility until citizen was turned against citizen, even to the point of committing atrocities…

At a clandestine meeting at the gilded Palmer House Hotel between industrial magnates alarmed at the progress Mr. Tesla is making in setting up a World Grid that will provide us with unlimited free energy and a brilliant, free-thinking inventor who is appalled at the gulf that separates his own modest genius from the immeasurably greater vision of Tesla’s, we hear the following conversation between the plutocrats, the smaller genius and his anarchist side-kick:

The small talk had turned to surplus wealth. “I know this fellow back in New Jersey,” said Scarsdale Vibe, “who collects railroads. Not just rolling stock, mind, but stations, sheds, rails, yards, personnel, the whole shebang.”
“Expensive hobby,” marveled the Professor. “Are there such people?”
“You have to have some idea of the money out here. It can’t all be endowments to the church of one’s choice, mansions and yachts and dog-runs paved with gold or what have you, can it? No, at some point that’s all over with, has to be left behind…and still there’s this huge mountain of wealth unspent, piling up higher every day, and dear oh dear, whatever’s a businessman to do with it, you see.”
“Hell, send it on to me,” Ray Ipsow put in. “Or even to somebody who really needs it, for there’s sure enough of those.”
“That’s not the way it works,” said Scarsdale Vibe.
“So we always hear the plutocracy complaining.”
“Out of a belief, surely fathomable, that merely to need a sum is not to deserve it.”
“Except that in these times, ‘need’ arises directly from criminal acts of the rich, so it ‘deserves’ whatever amount of money will atone for it. Fathomable enough for you?”
“You are a socialist, sir.”
“As anyone not insulated by wealth from the cares of the day is obliged to be. Sir.”


When the conversation turns to Tesla’s plans (after the anarcho-socialist has been ejected from the room), we hear the titans of industry say:

“…It has escaped his mighty intellect that no one can make any money off an invention like that. To put up money for research into a system of free power would be to throw it away, and violate—hell, betray—the essence of everything modern history is supposed to be.”



“If such a thing is ever produced,” Scarsdale Vibe was saying, “it will mean the end of the world, not just ‘as we know it’ but as anyone knows it. It is a weapon, Professor, surely you see that—the most terrible weapon the world has seen, designed not to destroy armies or matériel, but the very nature of exchange, our Economy’s long struggle to evolve up out of the fish market anarchy of all battling all to the rational systems of control whose blessings we enjoy at present.”


This is the pudding proof of real fiction, Mark. The monopolists are right when they say that Tesla’s dream would destroy the not just the world as we know it but as anyone knows it, because the redaction that has occurred to reality has so completely obscured the nature of Nature that the only alternative—in the minds of the monopolists and the rest of us who have been so conditioned—to the holy straightjacket of exchange is Hobbes’ myopic struggle of all against all.

It’s not just that the social Darwinists believe their own propaganda, even though they’re fully aware of the machinations they themselves perpetrate; it’s that we believe it, too. It takes a powerfully independent mind to even see beyond this ruse, much less to really understand how things could be different. How many Bucky Fullers have there been?

Even here (in the friendly confines of Jeff’s garden of de Lights!), I’ve had a Dickens of a time arguing this very point. On the discussion board I met with even less luck (although that was probably also due to the defect of my presentation and my habit of taking the bait of distraction.) When you go out in the world at large, Jeez! It’s such an uphill struggle we might as well wait for that antigravity tech to be disclosed.

For every International Planetary Revival (great link, btw) or Daniel Quinn (“no paradigm is ever able to imagine the next one”--Beyond Civilization, a strange mix of far and near-sightedness, as he gets the manipulation of scarcity but is still limited by the limits of growth as typically defined), there are 10,000 monarchists and Dissecting Left Left Behinds.

If we can’t wrap our minds around the warp & the woof of probability oscillations, how in God’s green earth are we going to see beyond the Veil, when it’s now more real than what it’s hiding?

The paradox underlying all of this is that what’s true and what’s real are not the same thing at all.


(All of which will not keep me from joining you in that rage, Dr. Bombay...)

8/16/2007 03:29:00 PM  
Blogger ghostieo said...

Jeff, I know you're busy but I'm curious are you aware of Alex Jone's work and is he aware of yours?

8/16/2007 03:45:00 PM  
Blogger et in Arcadia ego Eve said...

Shrubbery - did you see that today, according to the dream, I am now somehow affilated with the the Mexican CIA station?

My in-nate desire to....

"do Adam's lawn-dree(m)"

has really advanced my career. What's next? Am I to become Saint Mary's re: incarnacion? (you guys have seen Nacho Libre I hope... Spanish Castle Magic version of Napoleon Dynamite)

whatever I feel like Gosch!

8/16/2007 05:30:00 PM  
Blogger muddy elephant said...

IC,

Great links. Fookin' brilliant. Thanks.

8/16/2007 10:59:00 PM  
Blogger ewastud said...

Shayler was interviewed by conspiracy theory debunker Jon Ronson on the most recent segment of the NPR radio show This American Life. In my opinion, Shayler came out of that interview looking a good deal more lucid and level-headed than Ronson, who broke down and swore at Shayler at one point for his "obstinence" at not being swayed by Ronson's arguments, and Ronson's unwillingness to hear out Shayler's views about the London 7/7 attack in the Underground.

Shayler accused Ronson of having a prejudiced view before meeting him, and Ronson proved Shayler correct as evidenced by their recorded dialogue.

8/17/2007 06:37:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Thanks Muddy, nice improvement.

Alot of money is going to money heaven this week. Hope you enjoyied it while you had it.

8/17/2007 07:58:00 AM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

This was posted by orz on the Forum:

This is the only way Americans will ever revolt... no amount of "proof" of CD or awareness of politics will get them off the couch... only when their comforts are taken away.. when they can't travel where they want, when their TV stops working, when they can't get cash from the drive-thru ATM.


Saw a documentary a while back called "The Fourth World War" which contains amazing footage of wealthy middle class business men and women in some south american country suffering an economic crisis. The banks have shut down and all these respectable looking people in pinstripe suits etc are smashing up the ATMs with bricks and tearing up the bank foyer.


I can't say I agree with orz's approach, nor his opinions most of the time...but I agree with him here, with one caveat. Once the comforts evaporate, revolution will be too little too late. Businessmen in Pinstripe Suits and obese diabetics are no basis on which to execute a revolution.

There will be no more revolutions. The belly has been thoroughly softened and rendered incapable of self-sacrifice. And, if you think about it, self-sacrifice for what. Look at all the suckers who have self-sacrificed in the past only to have their hard-earned and hard-won efforts diminished in a century, or less. Much of that being their own fault. They slowly traded away their self-reliance for a Centralized Economy and spoiled their children with the initial spoils of that burgeoning economy. That economy is teetering on the verge of collapse, and the halcion days of excess will soon come to an end, but the softened masses from all the borrowed comforts, will be il-equipped to direct their fate. Sorry, IC, but it will be a catastrophe before anything can truly change. The Universe, or the simulation, requires that those year's of comfort be repaid in discomfort.

8/17/2007 08:29:00 AM  
Blogger et in Arcadia ego Eve said...

"The Universe, or the simulation, requires that those year's of comfort be repaid in discomfort."

Shrubbery - it's knot a problem...

"but having food and raiment -- with these we shall suffice ourselves;"

"and those wishing to be rich, do fall into temptation and a snare, and many desires, foolish and hurtful, that sink men into ruin and destruction,"

"for a root of all the evils is the love of money, which certain longing for did go astray from the faith, and themselves did pierce through with many sorrows;"

"and thou, O man of God, these things flee, and pursue righteousness, piety, faith, love, endurance, meekness."

Cheers.

8/17/2007 10:50:00 AM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

it isn't money that's the issue...it's what the money can do and what it represents. Money buys power...and power exploits to accumulate money. So, it's really the love of power that is the root of the problem....and the belief in an all-POWERFUL God is not the answer to that problem...in fact, it's part the problem.

8/17/2007 11:02:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Gee ewastud, you were being a tad bit disingenuous in your defence. I wonder why Ronson was hostile?

Internet conspiracy theorists who take shit out of context to reinforce their own, made up, views about world events?

Now where have I seen that before?

Hmmmm.....it's a stumper.

Anyone have any ideas?

Rachel North : "(the theorists said) I was a government mouthpiece
who'd been tasked with disseminating disinformation. They formed this theory that I was some kind of counter intelligence professional or security services covert operative. Actually some thought I didn't even exist. They thought I was a team of men who were tasked with creating this Rachel from north London persona and maintaining it as a means of, what they called, psy-ops, psychological operations, to control the population of the UK.

Wow! This sounds familiar too.
Now where have I seen internet conspiracy woo-woos attack people from their mother's basements as being "disinfo agents" just cause they tell them shit that conflicts with their entirely self-created & self-delusional conspiracy theories?

Hmmmm....another stumper.

Rachel North: " As soon as they talk to a real person, they'll realize it's a load of nonsense and they'll give up."

Boy, is Miss North naive.

Conspiracy theorists who give up their theories when confronted by reality?

Yeah right.

I'm sorry but Shayler sounds like a fucking cashew in the can nutjob.
He, like every conspiracy woo-woo I ever read, comes across as a pompously delusional ass who is genetically incapable of admitting that he's wrong.

Jesus, they sent this woman death threats & harassed her family. So, who here is the real villain? The gub-mint or the internet whack-jobs with no sense & too much fucking time on their hands?

Jon Ronson, "I've crossed paths with the conspiracy theorists myself. I've spoken out against their irrational thoughts. And in retaliation, they've set up a discussion thread called, Jon Ronson-Shill or Stupid...You're probably thinking that it's nuts to engage with them, and you'd be right."

Gee I can't see why Ronson would be hostile, can you?

Shayler, "You're being racist against Muslims if you think those 3 guys carried out the attacks on the evidence there."

Ronson, "Oh, fuck off."

Ronson goes on to say, "The conspiracy theorists insist that if I, or Rachel, or anyone else sits down & takes their briefing, we'll agree with them by the end. I think they truly can't imagine it working out any other way. I guess it's perjorative, but the reason why I don't want to take the briefing is because I think the experience would suck the very soul out of my body through my ears."

So, eve, any thoughts on that one?

8/17/2007 11:50:00 AM  
Blogger et in Arcadia ego Eve said...

SS - but doesn't money = power and power = money in that "control the money control the people" - when I speak of materialism I'm not referring only to the big ugly yellow Hummer I passed on the way to work, I'm talking about the fact that "Terra Firma" is not my home.

And you are right, belief in the All POWERFULL god is not the answer....suitcase in point, Luciferians believe in him too.

Richard - agreed...Shayler is a cashew.

8/17/2007 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

Hi Jeff,
Shrub, Mark, Sounder ,Richard, Dr Bombay, Ericswan, and IC and all the new posters.
I have been reading the posts for at least a month without posting myself, mainly because I have been busy planting trees in Haiti the last two months.

As a reader more than a poster I have wanted to jump in once in a while but the discussion gets going in a way that it is very informative and thought provoking as usual, there seems to be something; a kind of bogging; not blogging. It seems to me more and more people are “waking up”, if that word isn’t too trite to describe what I see as a shift in global consciousness. Just for real fun watch George Carlin http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18100.htm and have a good laugh at the terrifying truth. He is from my generation and he, as well as others, are still kicking ass when it comes to seeing beyond the veil and expressing it.

All of you have written some of the most in depth and researched information which has truly contributed to me and how I am experiencing the Shock and Awe of living during these times.
Since I haven’t lived in the US for years, I have escaped being immersed in the lies of the media and of course, I am much healthier than any of my friends my age still living in the states, for I do not eat American food and I do not take any prescriptions drugs for any diseases that are effecting so many Americans. In a way I am free of certain constructs that are like anvils on the mind and the heart.

My window to the world is the internet, not TV, and it is becoming a bit bogged also. But I would like to share a couple of things I have recently discovered ..

UFO sightings in Haiti and Dominican Republic on August 6, 2007 on You Tube. There are a few debunking the video, but there is also a video from the DR same day. There is an interview with a Haitian who says the UFOs are the ancestors of the Voodou gods just saying “Hello”.

A recent article by F. William Engdahl at Global Reasearch.ca; “The Hidden Agenda Behind the Bush Administration’s Bio-fuel Plans is, IMHO, the agenda that we should be paying the most attention to, for it will have a direct impact on all of humanity very soon. TPB may be in full swing with their plan to eliminate 70% of the world’s population and they are doing a good job so far.


Quote:

"Another Agenda Behind Ethanol?"

Uh Huh. The dramatic embrace of bio-fuels by the Bush Administration since 2005 has clearly been the global driver for soaring grain and food prices in the past 18 months. The evidence suggests this is no accident of sloppy legislative preparation. The US Government has been researching and developing bio-fuels since the 1970’s. The bio-ethanol architects did their homework we can be assured. It’s increasingly clear that the same people who brought us oil price inflation are now deliberately creating parallel food price inflation. We have had a rise in average oil prices of some 300% since the end of 2000 when George W. Bush and Dick Halliburton Cheney made oil the central preoccupation of US foreign policy.
Big oil is also driving the bio-fuels bandwagon. Prof. David Pimentel of Cornell University and other scientists claim that net energy output from bio-ethanol fuel is less than the fossil fuel energy used to produce the ethanol. Measuring all energy inputs to produce ethanol from production of nitrogen fertilizer to energy needed to clean the considerable waste from bio-fuel refineries, Pimintel’s research showed a net energy loss of 22% for bio-fuel—they use more energy than they produce. That translates into little threat to oil demand and huge profit for clever oil giants that re-profile themselves as "green energy" producers.

Last year, as bio-ethanol production first became a major market factor, corn prices rose by some 130% on the Chicago in 14 months. It was more than known when Congress and the Bush Administration made their heavy push for bio-ethanol in 2005 that world grain reserves had been declining at alarming levels for several years at a time when global demand, driven especially by growing wealth And increasing meat consumption in China, was rising.

As a result of the diversion of record acreages of US and Brazilian corn and soybeans to bio-fuel production, food reserves are literally disappearing. Global food security, according to FAO data, is at its lowest since 1972. Curiously that was just the time that Henry Kissinger and the Nixon Administration engineered, in cahoots with Cargill and ADM—the major backers of the ethanol scam today—what was called The Great Grain Robbery, sale of huge volumes of US grain to the Soviet Union in exchange for sales of record volumes of Russian oil to the West. Both oil and corn prices rose by 1975 some 300-400% as a result. Just how that worked, I treated in detail in: A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics.

Today a new element has replaced USSR grain demand and harvest shortfalls. Bio-fuel demand, fed by US government subsidies is literally linking food prices to oil prices. The scale of the subsidized bio-fuel consumption has exploded so dramatically since the beginning of 2006 when the US Energy Policy Act of 2005 first began to impact crop planting decisions, not only in the USA, that there is emerging a de facto competition between people and cars for the same grains. Lester Brown recently noted, "We’re looking at competition in the global market between 800 million automobiles and the world’s two billion poorest people for the same commodity, the same grains. We are now in a new economic era where oil and food are interchangeable commodities because we can convert grain, sugar cane, soybeans—anything—into fuel for cars. In effect the price of oil is beginning to set the price of food."

In the mid-1970’s Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, a protégé of the Rockefeller family and of its institutions stated, "Control the oil and you control entire nations; control the food and you control the people." The same cast of characters who brought the world the Iraq war, the global scramble to control oil, who brought us patented genetically manipulated seeds and now Terminator suicide seeds, and who cry about the "problem of world over-population," are now backing conversion of global grain production to burn as fuel at a time of declining global grain reserves. That alone should give pause for thought. As the popular saying goes, "Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you."


And something for you IC:

"Healing Within to Heal 'Without'"
by Joe Vitale:


Two years ago, I heard about a therapist in Hawaii who cured a complete ward of criminally insane patients--without ever seeing any of them. The psychologist would study an inmate's chart and then look within himself to see how he created that person's illness. As he improved himself, the patient improved.

When I first heard this story, I thought it was an urban legend. How could anyone heal anyone else by healing himself? How could even the best self-improvement master cure the criminally insane? It didn't make any sense. It wasn't logical, so I dismissed the story.
However, I heard it again a year later. I heard that the therapist had used a Hawaiian healing process called ho'oponopono. I had never heard of it, yet I couldn't let it leave my mind. If the story was at all true, I had to know more. I had always understood "total responsibility" to mean that I am responsible for what I think and do. Beyond that, it's out of my hands. I think that most people think of total responsibility that way. We're responsible for what we do, not what anyone else does--but that's wrong.

The Hawaiian therapist who healed those mentally ill people would teach me an advanced new perspective about total responsibility. His name is Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len. We probably spent an hour talking on our first phone call. I asked him to tell me the complete story of his work as a therapist.

He explained that he worked at Hawaii State Hospital for four years. That ward where they kept the criminally insane was dangerous. Psychologists quit on a monthly basis. The staff called in sick a lot or simply quit. People would walk through that ward with their backs against the wall, afraid of being attacked by patients. It was not a pleasant place to live, work, or visit.

Dr. Len told me that he never saw patients. He agreed to have an office and to review their files. While he looked at those files, he would work on himself. As he worked on himself, patients began to heal. "'After a few months, patients that had to be shackled were being allowed to walk freely,' he told me. 'Others who had to be heavily medicated were getting off their medications. And those who had no chance of ever being released were being freed.' I was in awe. 'Not only that,' he went on, 'but the staff began to enjoy coming to work.Absenteeism and turnover disappeared. We ended up with more staff than we needed because patients were being released, and all the staff was showing up to work. Today, that ward is closed.'

This is where I had to ask the million dollar question: 'What were you doing within yourself that caused those people to change?'

'I was simply healing the part of me that created them,' he said. I didn't understand. Dr. Len explained that total responsibility for your life means that everything in your life - simply because it is in your life -- is your responsibility. In a literal sense the entire world is your creation.

Whew. This is tough to swallow. Being responsible for what I say or do is one thing. Being responsible for what everyone in my life says or does is quite another.

Yet, the truth is this: if you take complete responsibility for your life, then everything you see, hear, taste, touch, or in any way experience is your responsibility because it is in your life. This means that terrorist activity, the president, the economy or anything you experience and don't like--is up for you to heal. They don't exist, in a manner of speaking, except as projections from inside you.
The problem isn't with them, it's with you, and to change them, you have to change you. "I know this is tough to grasp, let alone accept or actually live. Blame is far easier than total responsibility, but as I spoke with Dr. Len, I began to realize that healing for him and in ho 'oponopono means loving yourself.

If you want to improve your life, you have to heal your life. If you want to cure anyone, even a mentally ill criminal you do it by healing you. I asked Dr. Len how he went about healing himself. What was he doing, exactly, when he looked at those patients' files?

'"I just kept saying, 'I'm sorry' and 'I love you' over and over again," he explained. "That's it?" That's it.

Turns out that loving yourself is the greatest way to improve yourself, and as you improve yourself, you improve your world. Let me give you a quick example of how this works: one day, someone sent me an email that upset me. In the past I would have handled it by working on my emotional hot buttons or by trying to reason with the person who sent the nasty message.

This time, I decided to try Dr. Len's method. I kept silently saying, 'I'm sorry' and 'I love you,' I didn't say it to anyone in particular. I was simply evoking the spirit of love to heal within me what was creating the outer circumstance. Within an hour I got an e-mail from the same person. He apologized for his previous message. Keep in mind that I didn't take any outward action to get that apology. I didn't even write him back. Yet, by saying 'I love you,' I somehow healed within me what was creating him.

I later attended a ho 'oponopono workshop run by Dr. Len. He's now 70 years old, considered a grandfatherly shaman, and is somewhat reclusive. He praised my book, The Attractor Factor. He told me that as I improve myself, my book's vibration will raise, and everyone will feel it when they read it. In short, as I improve, my readers will improve. "What about the books that are already sold and out there?" I asked. "'They aren't out there," he explained, once again blowing my mind with his mystic wisdom. "They are still in you".
In short, there is no 'out there'.

It would take a whole book to explain this advanced technique with the depth it deserves. Suffice It to say that whenever you want to improve anything in your life, there's only one place to look: inside you. When you look, do it with love.

“Forgiveness is the fragrance left by the violet on the heel that crushed it.” - Mark Twain"

Cheers!

8/17/2007 12:24:00 PM  
Blogger et in Arcadia ego Eve said...

Surrender,

Truly wonderful post.

Re: “In the mid-1970’s Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, a protégé of the Rockefeller family and of its institutions stated, "Control the oil and you control entire nations; control the food and you control the people."

That is exactly what I was trying to impart to SS above when I said “control the $$$ control the people.” Kissin-Jerr said it better though. I always like to point out (as I’ve done in the past) that he owns a controlling interest in the Bank of Medjugorje (i.e. control the “messages from Heaven” control the faithful).

Thanks for the insight into Ho'oponopono as well. I found this passage from an article entitiled “100% Responsibility and the Promise of a(n) (apocalyptic) Hot Fudge Sundae” and it meant a great deal to me.

“How do you thank someone who has helped to set you free? How do you thank a man whose gentle spirit and zinger statements have forever altered the course of your life? Ihaleakala Hew Len is such a man for me. Like a soul brother who shows up unexpectedly in an hour of need, “Devon” came into my life in March of 1985, during a time of massive change for me. I met him during a training called "Self I-Dentity Through Ho'oponopono," which he facilitated along with the late Morrnah Nalamaku Simeona, a native Hawaiian kahuna ("keeper of the secret").

I keep Devon’s secrets.

8/17/2007 01:16:00 PM  
Blogger et in Arcadia ego Eve said...

Devon,

Na'u ku'u aloha a na ku'u aloha

Eve

8/17/2007 01:26:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Well, Shrub, what you're seeing in those scenes from (presumably Argentinas's) financial sector collapse is panic, plain & simple.

Or is it?

We're told that the Fed and the other unelected money marketeers who make their decisions so, what's the word? oh, yeah, undemocratically always caution against fear & panic in the face of "market instability," but is that really the entirety of their "message"? Don't you suppose they might profit from a little healthy fear-based respect for their power to save or ruin us?

You can't overestimate the role of fear in all this. If you go back and look at what was going on in '29, it wasn't all despairing financiers jumping out of windows. Some of Hoover's base profited quite nicely, thank you very much. Picked up assets & infrastructure for a song, you might say.

Take a look at what Richard Austin has to say at that IPR link. If our energy, shelter, and food needs were met, how much else do we really need? Are you going to panic because you can't watch ESPN? I'd like to think I wouldn't lose much sleep over it.

I know this sounds awfully glib of me, but I know how my dad and his family came through the Depression and it wasn't through any institutional or policy directives (even if old grandad did work for the CCC for a time...)

When you talk about how we came to be in this mess, this fear of financial crisis, you're looking at two things: the aftermath of colonialism (the intersection of competing empires, as in WWI, Metternich's chickens coming home to roost) and the sanctity of the Market in our belief system.

When Richard talks about conspiracy theorists hatching mad plots in their parents' basements, he's not only accurately describing one aspect of the CT industry, but he's also, one would hope, inadvertantly reaffirming the Establishment's contention that all conspiracy theories are nonsense (very dangerous and unpatriotic nonsense, in George Bush's speeches...)

Some theorists have the nerve to speculate that the "gubmint" actually fabricates the most outlandish theories in order to discredit the very notion that things are not as they seem. Now that's just unbelievable, isn't it? Funny thing about that, from my fictional world: Ken MacLeod, a guy I've talked about before here, who is no fan of CT at all and is even rather distrustful of the Greens as a political movement, uses this idea of government fabrication & dissemination of CTs in The Execution Channel.

But that's just fiction, right?

Okay, how about this then. What if we get down to brass tacks and look at definitions--those are reality based, right? According to the literal meaning of the word, a conspiracy is any plan set in motion in secret for the advantage of the planners, directly ot not so directly. Dick Cheney's Secret Energy Task Force meetings? Conspiracy. Gladio, Paperclip, etc ad infinitum? Conspiracy.

For that matter, the entire workings of the National Security State, in conjunction with the military/industrial/surveillance complex and the ever enabling bankers are all purely defined conspiracies. How about monopolies--are they constructed and maintained in an open and accountable manner?

The weird thing is that it's only when you talk about these things that you're engaging in conspiracy thinking--not the guys actually doing the secret stuff, but the nerds in Mom's basement.

So, we two choices: we can either go along with the charade that things are not decided in secret without any possibility of oversight, or we can enter the Dark Labyrinth and try to figure out what exactly is going on and why.

Or is there a third possibility? since we know that we're going to stub our toes on suspect surfaces in the Dark, why couldn't we instead just concentrate on how we might do without The Grid altogether? Because it's impossible, because only nutcases & survivalists do that sort of thing?

Richard Austin doesn't strike me as much of an Aryan Nations kind of guy, somehow...(and he's only one of dozens of clear-headed, rational and compassionate people who've turned away from the glittering deception. Or is Roger Dean's Willowater just another commie plot to ensnare the gullible and weaken our God-given economic engine?)


surrender,

Thank you very much for that--I didn't see it until I came back here to post this, but I'll dig into all of it right now...

8/17/2007 01:50:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

Thanks Eve. Since you have joined us we all are enjoying the "spice" you provide to this mix of intuitors. I
I am sure you have saved Shrub from committing suicide, at least once.

See? what a little love can do to people you have not even met, yet?

IC: I do not know what your health issues are but you wanna try a little experiment?

I will send you love from far away in Haiti. And today I will plant a tree in your honor.

Jeff,

Always, I am grateful and totally addicted to RI. (I could have worse addictions).

Cheers!

8/17/2007 02:05:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"The weird thing is that it's only when you talk about these things that you're engaging in conspiracy thinking--not the guys actually doing the secret stuff, but the nerds in Mom's basement."

Quite the hoot IC.

So, did you listen to what Miss North said?

She was fucking blown up & then had to endure the delusional on-line ramblings, insults & death threats of conspiracy dipshits who should fucking know better but obviously don't.

She then has to endure some one like Shayler saying that she "exhibited the signs of madness" just because she was righteously pissed off at being crapped on & had the balls to get in the faces of her sissy boy accusers.

Now, to me, the only way you couldn't "know better" is if you spent an inordinate amount of time in your mommy's basement compulsively masturbating in between trips to Rense. com or Alex fucking Jones.

She felt she was being maligned so she went to the source & confronted them, unlike most conspiracy theorists who feel that every thing they hold dear is being continually raped by the powers that be yet choose to COWER IN THEIR MOTHERFUCKING BASEMENTS TYPING THEIR INNUENDO & GOSSIP RATHER THAN ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

I don't know IC, sounds pretty fucking nerdy to me.

If you find that insulting, oh well.

8/17/2007 02:21:00 PM  
Blogger Tin Mole Man said...

I was going to post something but the way it can be already said:

The bigger question I think is why this person is getting such a platform.. who's reporting it and playing it up?

But then I decided to say that Jeff Wells is nothing but an innuendo dealer like the rest of the paparazzi, taking on foes from a comfortable distance with tacit defamation. What a shmuck, and a nobody. Nobody needs more of what we can get on the 6 O'clock news. That's just great. Lead us here in hopes of being inspired with new ideas that render mainstream ones obsolete, then lock the door and gas us out. Geesh.

8/17/2007 03:16:00 PM  
Blogger Tin Mole Man said...

james said:

I wonder what the true power of our souls could be, if the ignorance and religious trappings could be moved aside just long enough to find out.

It looks like we will never find out if cults-of-personality don't stop promising us their avoidance of certain memes and symbols and then using the most arcane ones to lead us away from enlightenment.

8/17/2007 03:46:00 PM  
Blogger ewastud said...

Frankly, just_another_dick, you come off to me as something of a mental basket case yourself, especially reading your blogger profile.

Shayler never made any physical threats to Rachel North; he didn't even personally know her or ever talk with her. Nor can Shayler be held responsible for whatever any "conspiracy theorist nut" does to threaten North or others. He has never to my knowledge ever advocated violence against other people. Therefore, Ronson's hostility was totally unjustified. It might seem justified to you because you have been emotionally manipulated by the previous several minutes of the Rachel North narrative before Ronson introduces Shayler in his piece. Shayler was far more charitable to Ronson, than vice versa. Shayler ended their discussion by agreeing with Ronson that Jon Ronson is not a shill or stupid as he has been accused on the referenced website, but just, in the opinion of Shalyler, "ignorant." Shayler never said/responded to Ronson to "fuck off," in contrast to Ronson.

In this complicated and muddied world of ruthless spooks and counter spooks, it is difficult for anyone to know who or what can be trusted and whether their words can be taken at face value -- Rachel North included. When we learn 30-odd years after the fact (by accident) of such proposed plans for an Operation Northwoods false flag attack on American citizens promulgated by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to JFK to provide a pretext for a Cuban invasion, it behooves us all to be cautious in discerning what we see and hear. To get at the truth and find what is really real, one cannot afford to make any blanket assumptions about what someone says being automatically true without some other independent investigation and verification. It is a shame it has to be this way.

A notable and commendable researcher on 9/11 and 7/7 truth, in my opinion, is Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed who maintains the blog The Cutting Edge. I recommend it to anyone seeking to find the truth behind these events.

8/17/2007 05:41:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Sorry ewastud, I don't take "blogging" seriously enough to give a rancid shit about what I put in my "profile." It's actually changed once & will probably change again.

Ya don't like it, I don't care.

So, ever read either of Ronson's books?

I have.

He uses the same, "these people are nuts" attitude with both spooks & conspiratists.

Personally, I think spooks & conspiratists are different sides of the same dysfunctional coin. They need each other more than either side would ever admit.
Check that...they actually deserve each other.

Rachel North undergoes a terrifically horrific experience & tries to write her way through it & she has to deal with the further horror of on-line tweedlers harassing her because she's not one of the faithful.

What I find particularly interesting is that none of the "we love humanity" conspiracy theorists find anything at all wrong with this behavior, preferring instead to circle their little conspiracy wagons & defend the attackers by their deafening silence.

I'm beginning to think that a world run by the conspiracy theorists would be every bit as vile as the one we have now. As a matter of fact, I'm coming to the conclusion that what really motivates all these "truth-seekers" is little more than a huge fit of pique because they're just insulted that the "PTB" didn't invite them along for the circle jerk.

Personally, I don't give a tinker's tit about Shayler. He's just a public face on a public trend that is, in the end, as rotten to the core as the "PTB's" they so "nobly" seek to "expose."

As a mental basket-case game let's see if we can dissect the methodology of conspiracy theorists & truth-seekers, shall we?

Consequences of sending death threats to Dick Cheney: 20 years in a federal pen sharing a 6ft. x 10 ft. cell with big, mean compulsive fudge-packers.

Consequences of sending a death threat to traumatized powerless women: zero

Hmmmm.....now what would the average conspiracy theorist choose, eh?

If you picked a, you deserve a spokesman like Shayler. You really do.

"he didn't even personally know her or ever talk with her"

& by the way, your hearing-aid must be on the fritz because Ronson asked Shayler how he could still believe that she was a spook construct even after talking to her.
Shayler went on to sputter about how she showed the signs of madness when she confronted "the faithful."


"Shayler never said/responded to Ronson to "fuck off," in contrast to Ronson."

Well, considering that both Shayler & Ronson laughed at Ronson's "fuck off" I'd say you were far more insulted by it than Shayler was.


"It might seem justified to you because you have been emotionally manipulated by the previous several minutes of the Rachel North narrative before Ronson introduces Shayler in his piece."

&

"In this complicated and muddied world of ruthless spooks and counter spooks, it is difficult for anyone to know who or what can be trusted and whether their words can be taken at face value -- Rachel North included. When we learn 30-odd years after the fact (by accident) of such proposed plans for an Operation Northwoods false flag attack on American citizens promulgated by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to JFK to provide a pretext for a Cuban invasion, it behooves us all to be cautious in discerning what we see and hear."


This is where I tell you to ignore me, because you obviously live in a world where half the population is spying on the other half &, I suspect, no evidence would be good enough to convince you otherwise.

Toodles.

8/17/2007 06:34:00 PM  
Blogger ewastud said...

Just_another_dick seems to be disingenous himself. If he has such contempt for both spooks and conspiratists as indicated, why does he hang around this RI blog in which such topics are key elements of the discussion? Just what is j_a_d's motivation for annoying us with his presence here? He has no better way to occupy his time?

8/17/2007 09:55:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Richard,

You seem to have missed my point altogether. I'll rephrase, in a slightly abbreviated version (hopefully), in case you're interested. I held that we have three main possible reactions to the idea that things are not as they seem, or are claimed to be:

a.) We believe the official story. No secret deals, no cartels, no monopolies, no rigged political, economic, judicial or any other institutions, no military-industrial complex or national security state apparatus, etc, etc...and no media bought & paid for by these interests to massage the truth, keeping the public not only uninformed (the supposed purpose of the fourth estate, so that an informed public might check the balance of power in the unimaginable, purely hypothetical situation where ostensibly "opposing" political parties might actually be in bed together getting up to all sorts of unAmerican shenanigans) but actually endlessly, frivolously distracted, alienated and/or apathetic...not to mention the propaganda offices whose stated goal is to win hearts & minds and/or keep the restless masses divided against one another over such important issues as flag-burning, etc, using the tools of the trade like mis- and disinformation...)

b.) We realize that those with power have always used it to maintain & expand their wealth & influence through all of the above means (and quite possibly others we aren't aware of) and in response we attempt to separate the wheat from the chaff.

and, finally,

c.) We sure enough realize that the official story is a crock of shit, but instead of getting sucked into competing conspiracy stories and ridiculous personality-centered pseudo conflicts, we focus instead on talking about how a world without such deception & intrigue might function.

I don't have an opinion on the "controversy" you mention--death threats, spook-said/alleged-spook-said, etc--because it's a trap no matter how you look at it: yet another level of distraction. Why the hell should I care what these people say to each other? It matters because...?

The mistake you seem to be making is that if some conspiracy theorist is wrong, or crazy or even dangerous, then we might as well turn off the lights saying, "Oh well, maybe there is no deception after all, and even if there were, well, there's not much we can do about it because people are just naturally awful anyway..."

I say this is a "mistake" because it rests on an obvious logical fallacy.

And you know this.

I've read what you've written and talked to you here often enough to know that you're quite well aware of the long list of dirty deeds and how The Lie is spun--remember when your cynicism used to be directed at the Gladio-istas and those gubmint boys who've read Cialdini's manual?--so you can't very well start pretending now, at this late date, that the world really is the way they say it is just because some shiny-hatted looney acts like a maniac.

You can go back to the other angle you've been working--the irredeemable nature of human nature and its Mother--you know, the one where you quote all those establishment authorities to back up the conventional wisdom, but even if you do, all you're left with is a big, whiny We're all gonna die!!, which kind of exhausts itself as a point of conversation after the first iteration.

You probably say the same thing about what you call my unwarranted optimism, but I find other things to discuss in every topic that comes up because I still believe that Jeff's masthead still has relevance, that what we don't know can't hurt them. Having boxed yourself into your position, do you still find any relevance there?

8/18/2007 12:32:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

surrender,

Again, thanks! I don't feel very comfortable with talking about diagnoses here (other than that they're still arguing between several unpleasant varieties), but that doesn't much matter anyway. That tree you planted--or who knows, maybe the idea you planted--might "save" me yet. No sense in quietly saying good night before it's too late, as the good Doctor tells us above.)

Best,

IC

8/18/2007 12:33:00 AM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Just_another_dick seems to be disingenous himself. If he has such contempt for both spooks and conspiratists as indicated, why does he hang around this RI blog in which such topics are key elements of the discussion? Just what is j_a_d's motivation for annoying us with his presence here? He has no better way to occupy his time?

Nice dualistic logic there, Ewastad. Not only that, but the intent of your words sound eerily familiar to the words parroted on Fundy, Jingoistic Forums where they say "if you don't like it here, then leave."

Are you a Conspiracist, Ewastad? Are you consumed with Conspiracy....to the point that it defines who you are and what you are...and the majority of your day is spent pondering the conspiracies that lurk beneath every rock and behind every tree? If not, then why take offense to what Richard noted....because that's the focus of his criticism....not those who are curiousa about the real truth behind world events and unexplained phenomena.

I'm willing to say that "I don't know why a lot of shit happens," but that's not the case with a number of folks here. A number of folks here have the magical answer for any topic that is broached....and the answer is it's all a conspiracy, of some sort, or another. I don't think that's Jeff's view, from what I can gather. I think Jeff genuinely finds this subject matter intriguing and thought provoking....it keeps you thinking and pondering. To presume that every topic here can be reduced to one easy, pat explanation is absolutely absurd....yet that's what I see many times....and folks who do that are no better than the spooks who's job it is to chastise, fragment, obfuscate and marginalize.

8/18/2007 08:58:00 AM  
Blogger Edo said...

Hi Jeff,
I have a question about your article Author Author:

could you please explain exactly what you mean by
this? :
"If it isn't yet clear, then yes, this too is about Theresa Duncan and Jeremy Blake. Or rather their Second Life, in limbo and online. Or perhaps not even that. Because their existence, even virtual existence, appears irrelevant to the dizzying links-within-links radiating from their absent centre."


what do you mean exactly by their ABSENT centre?


ABSENT CENTRE? because of their death? their emptyness?

please explain.


thank you!

E.

8/18/2007 09:23:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Tridentblue said;

.....but generally when I hear people talking about how "easy" victims are making it, its from somebody justifying their own lack of involvement in helping them.

Yes, a trouble with conservative thinking, but then again liberals have trouble distinguishing between really helping and simply thinking they are helping. I also liked the dumbass propaganda sentence, keep it coming.

Surrender, thanks for your voice. I share the sentiment that the ‘other’ can be a source of realization, rather than the threat that it is often taken to be. With open hearts we will work out the particulars.

And then, from the lovable Richard;

“unlike most conspiracy theorists who feel that every thing they hold dear is being continually raped by the powers that be yet choose to COWER IN THEIR MOTHERFUCKING BASEMENTS TYPING THEIR INNUENDO & GOSSIP RATHER THAN ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.”

HaHahahahah....hahaha That’s good just-a-silly-dick. So are you that ‘special’ kind of CTer, someone that is doing something about it? NO!??! You have no such obligation because CT stuff is bullshit. Well good for you. I have a hard time not projecting on you, sentiments such as recently put forward by Ivor Tossell in a Globe and Mail article that slammed the Zeitgeist video. Now, you may know that I don’t do ‘Conspiracy Theory’, as I do not care much about the inevitable ’he said, she said’ claptrap. However, to slam people for questioning,... Well that is too rich. Here are some comments to the Toffel article. Hmmmmm, what is an objective person to make of all this?

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Veronica Shelford from Canada writes: Ivor says that the claims of the "conspiracy theorists" have been debunked but we keep on believing them - silly us, eh? Where have they been debunked? I keep looking for information that I can believe that truly debunks the "conspiracy" theories about 9/11 et al. All I find are either obviously flawed explanations that ignore facts, or no explanations at all - just trust us. (e.g. the PBS documentary that explained the collapse of the WTC buildings using drawings that ignored the core structure. The outer vertical beams might well have been compromised, some of them anyway, by the impact, but the internal core beams should not have been. Those beams don't even appear in the drawings shown in the documentary, neither is there any explanation of why they collapsed, and so tidily too.) I was mightily disappointed in PBS for airing that one. One of the many ways of avoiding difficult questions is blanket ridicule of the questioner. This may make the "mainstream cultists" more comfortable, but it will never make the questions and the disbelief go away. Prove to us that the impressive documentation of evidence that disproves the official story is wrong - and it should be easy to do so - and we'll be glad to let the other theories go. Let there be a rational and transparent discussion and investigation.

* Posted 17/08/07 at 10:39 AM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

Robert D Reid from Toronto, Canada writes: One has to marvel at the pathetic gullibility and ignorance of the those who say conspiracies do not exist. Governments and in recent times secret security organizations engage in all kinds of monstrous conspiracies. That is not to say that every event somebody refers to as a conspiracy is one. As Freud said in a different context sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Accepting whatever government mouthpieces state as an explanation for a weird event is the path to tyranny. No better example is there than the Iraq invasion conspiracy about which there is much more to be heard . The known evidence however is incontrovertible

(RigInter it seems)

Judy Cross from Canada writes: I just love how we're all supposed to get in line and feel ashamed when ever someone says the dreaded words Conspiracy Theory. Well, at 70 I've seen plenty of Conspiracy Facts starting with the Magic Bullet. When something is physically impossible, like the supposed trajectory of the Magic Bullet, or jet fuel causing 3 steel cored highrises to explode and fall into their own footprints or the total lunacy that CO2 causes "Global Warming"with the pretense that the Sun has little to do with it, I know I'm being scammed...and somebody somewhere conspired to do it. Hello?

Sean Pelette from Toronto, Canada writes: Nice article Ivor, but you missed one of the salient features of conspiracy theorizing; unfalsifiability. What makes conspiracy theorists different from their rational counterparts is that they cannot admit that evidence might exist which disproves their theory.

For example; if you have no concrete evidence of a conspiracy, that is proof of a coverup and therefore of a conspiracy. If your circumstantial evidence is challenged and disproved, that is proof that the media are in on it (see J Billins post above). If evidence exists which disproves the conspiracy, then that is just misinformation spread by the agents of conspiracy. And round and round we go.

Conspiracy theorizing is an irrational activity.

(Heheheehe. No concrete evidence, yes blown away. No evidence is proof of, wow, sophistry is wisdom, wow.)

Gillian Moody from Toronto, Canada writes: I have a comment, a question and a conclusion:
.
1. Most of the posts here are from people who did NOT see Zeitgeist and are, therefore, unaware of its objectivity or its proofs.
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2. How/why does (a) being curious, (b) questioning, and (c) keeping an open mind, make someone either [i] a believer or [ii] a nut bun??
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Are we supposed to live like we're in strait jackets?

THX 1169 from Cowtown, Canada writes:
I don't know why you nuts and non-nuts alike even bother.

If a major Globe columnist wrote that the official stories of Chriist, 9/11, and the US Federal Reserve are in fact sad mass-delusions, how long before s/he would be looking for another job? Not long, I can assure you. Corporate types call it "marginalizing our credibility investment".

It seems to me that In the 21st Century, the marketplace of ideas has been replaced by a torch- and pitchfork-bearing dictatorial lynchmob. That's what one gets when people who can't think for themselves feel threatened by concepts alien to their TV-watching, spray-cheese eating "lifestyle situations".

If we're afraid to hold an opinion just because it is not the opinion of the majority, then its time for another Enlightenment: All truly great ideas (read: profound truths) start this way.

Faiz M from Vancouver, Canada writes: Yes it appears the champions of common sense, lead by Mr Tossell have come to our rescue. Its absurd to think that people would stoop to such great levels for obscure things like Power and Greed...its just not human nature to exploit situations to try and obtain these attributes.

Come on consipracy theorists...what were you thinking? The Bush Family, the Federal Reserve and the IMF only have our best interests at heart...:) CONFORM people....CONFORM....listen to Mr Tossell...take authority to be truth and not the other way around.

All together now, "I am sorry, and I love you."

8/18/2007 09:50:00 AM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Edo wrote:

"what do you mean exactly by their ABSENT centre? ABSENT CENTRE? because of their death? their emptyness? please explain."

Sorry for the lack of clarity. I meant that Theresa and Jeremy are themselves absent from the more Byzantine theories triggered by their deaths. They just don't fit (especially the reality of two identified bodies), so they've become irrelevant.

8/18/2007 11:50:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

But Shrub, that's just more either/or thinking. Why does it have to be either all conspiracy or none? Why are any proposed solutions automatically "magical," when the business end of any conspiracy is always mundane? Energy, shelter, food--what's magical in tackling such basic needs?

Kind of reminds me of the backbone of the Peak Oil mantra--"there's no silver bullet"--when the whole point is that we don't need any magic talisman at all. That's conspiracy thinking.


Sounder,

Gut gemacht! (As usual...)

8/18/2007 02:09:00 PM  
Blogger nolocontendere said...

An eerie resemblance to Jabba the Hutt, sorry.

8/19/2007 04:27:00 AM  
Blogger Edo said...

Hi Jeff,

thank you for the clarity.

I know exactly what you mean: All to often things happen with people and places ( or clearly don't happen) and then other people make up outrageous and elaborate theories about what happened or didn't happen that have NO basis in the facts.

Then these theories lead a life on their own spawning new theories and thoughts on and on, for which there is NO basis whatsoever.
Sort of like spreading False rumors. (think WMD and Iraq).

It is then as if what did happen doesn't matter anymore for the story continues based upon a lie or an illusion.

8/21/2007 01:02:00 PM  
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General media control by the elite began long before the '50s.

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An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers.

-- The Real Matrix

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