Thursday, April 17, 2008

Time keeps on slipping

I have lots to cover, and lots to pull together for the next post. Which I was hoping would have been last week. Early next, more likely now.

Blogger apparently blinked out on the last entry and began refusing comments. I don't imagine there was much left to be said, but I apologize for that.

See you in a few days.

On edit: It's no longer early in the week, but it will be today.

On edit, again: Predictably, I was wrong. I'm hoping today will be different.


Blogger A. Magnus Publius said...

Your posts are worth the wait, Jeff. I look forward to your take on recent high weirdness events.

4/17/2008 03:54:00 PM  
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4/17/2008 08:08:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Hey Fruc..You don't need to buy a copy of "The Essene Gospel of Jesus Christ". The entire text is online.

tptb are spraying chemtrails through the night and ahead of some heavy storms. Hard to figure out what that's all about. Are they doing a "flouride" frontal attack on the air or is it actually an attack on the water?

Suffering from nose and throat issues are we? Check out the mycoplasma reports in chemtrails. I posted a link to William Lynes interview here... His basic position is that chemtrails are strictly "population control"..

4/18/2008 09:01:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Eric - thanks - I'll be reading it.

Chemtrails - eugenics? No doubt in my mind.

4/18/2008 09:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GMO's are much more effective and efficient for population control.

Somedays, like today, I truly feel like we've been invaded and the invaders are slowly, but surely, making this planet their's.

Someone posted a link to a fantastic documentary about transgenic food on the discussion board. Check it out when you get a chance.

I've noticed the same thing about the Chemtrails out ahead of this front moving accross the U.S. right now. We saw a most bizarre one yesterday...there is no way in hell it could have been a commercial jet on a routine route. Swan, have you been following the controversy surrounding the Tanker Contract. Now, what are they going to do with all those Tanker planes?

4/18/2008 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

great! thanks very much for sharing

4/18/2008 01:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Mind Possessed: Secrets of Matrifocal Music Healing

by drew hempel, anticopyright

There's an ancient drumming ritual described in the field recording compact disc, "Witchcraft and Ritual Music of Kenya and Tanzania," Basically young females believe they will be eaten by wild animals during a secret all night drumming ritual and then in the morning their bones are shown to those who are not initiated. In fact those females ARE eaten, by the drummer shamans. The female electrochemical energy is taken in by the drummers and in turn the drummers shoot out electromagnetic light energy into the females, creating a "mutual climax" of love-light. This is described in the British psychiatrist William Sargent book "The Mind Possessed: Exorcism and Ecstasy" (Sargent participated in the CIA's MKUltra, creating mind-controlled females through electroshock treatment). His "Mind Possessed" book is his travels to these nonwestern cultures to study their trance healing. In matrifocal horticulture society the males go train for three months in the sacred forests, separated from females. This training means storing up and transforming the hormones to create electromagnetic fields for paranormal powers.

What happened is that after domestication of animals, around 10,000 years ago, the males came to believe that they "controlled" Nature and this is expressed in the ancient ritual of the solar eclipse. The "sun is sick" when the female, lunar energy covers up the sun or son. Therefore a sacrifice must occur to heal this female "sickness." This is the first original religion and it was an animal sacrifice at first. As left-brain, right-hand dominance developed further the sacrifice became humans through warfare; technology became the religion based on a "divide and average" solar-based geometry -- logarithmic math and statistics.

As my final dream ended this morning I was told (in preparation for this question):

Civilization is when the cooks learned to be cooked. haha. So this "mass ritual sacrifice" tradition is based on maintaining creation of civilization through "separation of heaven and earth" or the psychological separation of the lower body and upper body. The right brain, through nonwestern music, reconnects our lower emotions (lust, fear, worry, anger, sadness) which are the electrochemicals of our organs (reproductive, kidney, pancreas, liver, lungs). When this energy is harmonized through nonwestern music then ultrasound ionizes those emotions through heating the electrochemicals. Blissful heat is created which leads to opening up the heart energy -- establishing the harmony of heaven (mind) and earth (body). The latest issue of WIRED has a new study about how a simple decision is made by our brain seven seconds before we are aware with our cortex. In other words humans are actually controlled by our limbic-thalamus brain -- the emotional brain -- which in turn connects with the body through the cerebellum, and this is mediated by trance music. There is a delay before this emotional-motion perception actually reaches our cortex, which under the guise of "civilization" then returns back to repress the energy. When we become mind-controlled humans were are no longer aware of this role of the left-brain to cause dis-ease.

What happened with the West is this whole tradition of trance, female singing healing was outlawed. Plato literally banned the trance modes of music so that only the major and minor modes were allowed -- the major for military solidarity and the minor for putting people in their place -- an emotion of sentimental nostalgia and disempowered tragic-comedy. What had been the matrifocal, intuitive paranormal energy became a conspiracy. Professor Bruce Lincoln, an anthropologist at University of Chicago, has an article published on this -- the secret transformation of the word "Metis" which had meant female knowledge as skillful power and for Plato became the excuse for evil. Metis became "female cunning reason" or lies that were necessary to maintain the proper distance from mob rule. Wittgenstein's protege, philosophy of science professor Stephen Toulmin, also writes about this secret change of Metis in his latest book, "The Return to Reason." The "lyre" (a hand-held harp) used to be for matrifocal philosophy -- epic songs of history and paradoxes, etc. but this musical trance knowledge now became the left-brain, right-hand "liar."

Philosophy of science, liberal studies Professor Morris Berman has an excellent "secret" history of the West book called "Coming to our Senses" (Berman is now teaching in Mexico at some university). Anyway he argues that there's always been an undercurrent of this female orgasmic healing power in the West but usually when it's tapped into, through some sort of mysticism, it becomes this male, "grail" vertical ascent towards heaven trip -- whether it was "Jesus" Christ (Constantine) or Hitler, or the Pope Crusades, or Newton and Goethe.

Berman is searching for the lost alchemical tradition of the West -- what he calls gnosticism, even though he knows he uses "gnostic" as a catch-all term. So Berman's next book was just on hunter-gatherer cultures and what a German anthropologist in the 1930s called "democratic shamanism." At one point in "Coming to Our Senses," Berman gets very close to the secret when he mentions a music book on minimalism stating that it's trying to get away from the polyphonic limitations of Western music.

The basic secret in the West is that blues music is trance music. Blues is based on the 1-4-5 chord progression and I discovered in my research that the octave-perfect fourth-perfect fifth is the same as the consciousness-yin-yang resonance in Chinese Taoism. I then discovered that the three months of training in matrifocal shamanism of Africa (and in traditional Voodoo training in Brazil) is also the same as the 100 day "gong" in Taoist training.

The problem with the West is that our sense of time relies on a "divide and average" system whereas nonwestern music uses the heart-beat of time -- syncopated rhythm. Our bodies naturally want to dance when we hear a syncopated sense of time, just as our heart naturally has a "chaotic" nonlinear rhythm. What happens in trance is that the sound of the drum is the same as the alpha wave frequency of deep relaxation -- about 15 beats a second is the actually drumhead frequency. Then the syncopated rhythm also lines up with the heart beat chaos which is also of that alpha frequency. A good friend of mine, African-American, was raised in a female, trance healing music in the Southern U.S. and he now drums with a Middle Eastern man who was raised in female belly dance trance healing.

In Taoism this is the slow "active" exercise (just like the slow frequency of the low drumhead) -- the standing simple tai-chi movements based on the fact that our bodies have inherent energy flowing as complementary opposites. The upper and lower half of our bodies and the left and right hands naturally create a connected circuit which, when flowing, will enable our body to build electromagnetic fields for paranormal healing -- from the heart-mind connection. This is taught by qigong master Chunyi Lin's and it's been verified recently in the latest biophoton research.

Whether it was the "pietist" movement in Germany or the Cathars of Spain and France or the "tarantella" spider poison possession music of Italy or the Ranters of England, there's always been some secret trance, female healing practice in the West. The explosion of the pentecostal, evangelical movement out of the U.S. and into the Third World in the wake of the CIA genocidal campaigns after World War Two is the latest example of this female trance healing merging of the West and the nonwestern cultures. Of course the Church uses witchcraft as an inversion -- holy spirit trance is used to exorcise the demons of tribal powers. In reality the female healing energy of Africa, Asia and Latin America has just become a new "secret" of the West -- what had been open healers using singing and trance and dancing -- now becomes a Christian prayer of speaking in tongues and channeling the Holy Spirit for some 500 million people in nonwestern cultures.

4/18/2008 02:56:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Hey Fruc..Just a note to say that Jesus wasn't a member of the Essenes. The Gospel written by the Essenes about Jesus was written by John about a visit that Jesus made to their commune. Hope that clears things up concerning Mary. I hope you can appreciate the synchronicity that you will find at this link. Be prepared.

spaced out after the slash.

4/18/2008 11:20:00 PM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Drew - thanks for that last post, man, it was tremendous - I realise you've been at the same thing for a while - as a musician, I've been uneasy for many years with Western music, although I've come to love some of the classics very much. What I hate is the 'music' that's no more than a soul-empty demonstration of technique and the bloody cultural arrogance that goes with it. Opera for me is the prime example of this.

For years now I've been working with singing and movement groups and learning the incredible power of improvisation - what happens when people begin to let go of their pre-conceived ideas and fear of being perceived as 'amateurs' or some such daft idea. When we begin to allow ourselves to be swept along by the tide of creativity which our own natural birthright and just sing or move, it brings a sense of confidence and joy that can't be found any other way. Thanks again. Some of your stuff is too complicated for me, Drew, but I really appreciate what you're sharing.

Eric - again, many thanks for the info about the Essene Gospel - I've printed up the first thirty pages and suspect I'll be submerged for days. It's beautiful stuff, and the language itself is a balm for the soul.

Personally, I've never had too much trouble with Mary - one of the important things I had to realise about these 'religious' figures is the fact that they're signifiers for energy rather than personalities.

Spaced out after the slash, eh? I've been there.

Best wishes to all

4/19/2008 05:51:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Eric - George Green yes indeed - I've seen a number of talks by him (video). You've probably heard of Bill Deagle too - in case not, I suggest looking at part 3 of his conference first.

Any other links pertaining would be welcome. Thanks.

4/19/2008 06:23:00 AM  
Blogger MarySees said...

We're Screwed, read Dean Koontz's "The Taking."

4/19/2008 05:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seriously though -- true exorcism relies on pure consciousness -- nondualism.

Consciousness, beyond spacetime, is actually FEMALE because we resonate with consciousness by LISTENING to the source of sound through complementary opposites.

So all language is based on the I-thought and the "I" is One as the Male number or phallus. 1:2 is how the I-thought resonates into form, with the number 2 is the first form of matter, a female number. 3 is yang, as male electromagnetic energy -- so 2:3 is the first product of physical energy-matter, creating


as the resonance of spacetime through energy-matter.

But the source of 1 is the reflection of 2 as pure consciousness -- the source of the I-thought is therefore FEMALE.

but it's not female in the sense of physical sex -- it's female in terms of ontology or reality as resonance of complementary opposites.

4/19/2008 07:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Or Invasion of The Body Snatchers, but what I really meant was something much less fantastical, and more mundane. Something that's ocurred progressively and pragmatically over the course of centuries, rather than in the course of days, or months. Something that wouldn't lend itself well to a sci-fi movie, or book, because there is just too much detail for short attention spans. It doesn't end with a bang, but rather a dulled whimper.

4/19/2008 07:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Love your Pastors, Motherfuckers!

4/19/2008 07:08:00 PM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Richard - no comments on your blog? Shame - good stuff about Big Ben's visit to hte USA.

4/20/2008 04:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Pepe: We'll on a practical level I've been sitting in full-lotus all night long -- working. I've taken a couple naps but previously when I've worked all night I've just had a bit more caffeine with no naps. I've found that the full-lotus really keeps my energy up. Then when I go home after so many hours of full-lotus there are these deep internal climaxes -- deep pleasure way throughout my body. When I was outside today the sun was brighter than it had been in months. I didn't notice this because I was tired from working all night. What I did notice was this stronger magnetic bliss filling the center of my skull -- like a breathing sensation of energy. Only after enjoying this sensation did I realize that my pineal gland had been activated by the strong solar energy.

I wrote about qigong master Effie P. Chow. She created an energy field and I felt a strong magnetic sensation after she told us to hold our palms facing each other to make a ball of energy. That was in 1995 or so. The security guard came into the room when everyone was leaving, wondering why the fuse had blown for the room behind Effie P. Chow!

In 2000 qigong master Chunyi Lin also created an energy field but more impressively he looked at my right kidney and I immediately felt strong blissful heat ONLY at my right kidney. He was shooting a laser out of his third eye. He then started quoted from books I brought to class but kept out of sight in my bag. Specific quotes. He also started telling me things -- information that I thought only I knew -- but which pertained to my qigong training. One time Chunyi Lin did a long distance healing for a friend of someone in the class. The next week she reported that her friend, in the hospital, had amazingly recovered right at the moment of the previous week. The lady reporting this was sitting in front of me and she couldn't believe how effective the long distance healing was. She knew it worked but her mind was blown away and she was getting really worked up. Suddenly qigong master Chunyi Lin casually put his arms up to yawn and as they came down I saw one palm face the lady. I then felt this electromagnetic energy ball explode onto the lady and she melted into this peaceful bliss. I think no one else noticed because I was the only one right behind her and in line of view.

So those are some of the qigong experiences. When I built up my energy my belly filled with electromagnetic bliss so I just stopped eating. I continued to build my energy for 8 days, only taking half a glass of water. At the end of that week I needed only 5 hours of sleep a night and I could sit in full-lotus as long as I wanted. The top of my skull got soft and I had telepathy -- from strong electromagnetic fields shooting out of my pineal gland. I could use my hands to emit strong electromagnetic fields so I healed my mom from her "smoker's legs" and she no longer needs surgical stockings. I also accidently pulled this old lady's spirit out of her head -- without touching her. You are not supposed to pull the energy from straight out of the top of the head. Oops. She cried non-stop for at least 15 minutes but she knew why it happened and she was all right. When I was sitting in full-lotus, doing the energy feast -- the fasting -- I went to qigong master Chunyi Lin's Level 3 retreat. I saw dead spirits float into the room -- spheres of yellow light. I said nothing about this but Chunyi Lin announced to the lecture hall that someone else had seen these dead spirits so he would explain. He said that even the dead come to hear him speak so that they can be returned to the "emptiness" -- pure consciousness -- to find peace. This wasn't news to me because I had been studying esoteric meditation books and the most famous Thai Buddhist meditation forest monk describes the same experience -- dead spirits coming to here him speak. I had just read that but I've never read about that since even though I read about one book a day.

OK so in the Level III training for Master Chunyi Lin works to open your third eye. At that first retreat he left the lecture hall and I was sitting there wondering where he was. All of a sudden the middle of my brain started boiling!! I was blown away! Master Lin had just read my aura when I went to ask him a question so I figured he had left the room to better focus his energy. Anyway the energy was too strong and I wasn't ready yet. Then another Level III class qigong master Chunyi Lin touched my forehead and this magnetic bliss shot into my pineal gland. Ever since I've always had this same magnetic bliss in my pineal gland. haha. I even stopped practicing for a couple months to see if it would go away and it didn't. Another time qigong master Chunyi Lin's assistant did the same thing to me -- after the Level III class he told me he was going to keep sitting in full-lotus. This was Jim Nance. I asked if I could stay practicing with him -- he said, "Maybe latter." So I bike home and when I sit in full-lotus later on that night, the middle of my brain is burning up! The energy is way stronger than normal and I figure it most be from the qigong masters transmitting the energy. So the week passes and I forget about the experience. I go back to class and before class starts Master Jim Nance, this big African-American man, pulls me out into the hallway, looks into my eyes and says, "Did you feel anything?" Suddenly I realize he's talking about last week! I'm totally shocked -- like wow! Because that was a new skill for him and he was trying it out. haha.

Lately I've just used the qigong energy for what I call "O at a D" -- orgasm at a distance. The electromagnetic energy is male or yang and shoots out of my pineal gland. While I'm in full-lotus my vagus nerve on the right-side of my neck ionizes the yin or female electrochemical energy, turning it into what's called "love-light." So this shoots into yin sources around me -- mainly females but also males -- when anyone needs electrochemical energy that is harmonized as light. So as they soak up that energy then there's a vacuum in my skull which then pulls up my electrochemical energy, thereby creating a mutual climax between the recipient of my yang, male electromagnetic energy, and the full-lotus yoga position sucking up their unharmonized yin electrochemical energy. The lower emotions are the unharmonized yin electrochemical energy -- anger for the liver, worry for the pancreas, fear for the kidneys, lust for the reproductive organs, sadness for the lungs. The full-lotus then ionizes the yin electrochemical energy so it turns into "love-light" again -- electromagnetic energy of the heart-mind, shooting up from the heart to the pineal gland. So the energy just keeps cycling like that and I don't store it in my body or build up stronger electromagnetic fields. I just keep the energy harmonized and cycling for lower level healing.

4/20/2008 06:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Pepe: There is actually a new interview with Stanford professor Robert Sapolsky about "primate peace." I had been rereading his excellent book "Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers" a couple weeks ago. So I had googled him and then discovered he had a new interview that same day! So then I emailed him about my full-lotus "O at a D" experiences and just a couple days ago the second part of the interview was put online. Sapolsky and I corresponded a bit previously, several years ago, about the connection between hormones, territoriality and female exogamy -- when the female leaves her family in order to be controlled by a stranger male's family. The Bushmen culture had this reversed: the male left his family in order to serve his new wive's family. Remember that the Bushmen culture was the dominant human culture for 90% of human history, going back to 80,000 BCE. Chimps, in contrast, practice female exogamy.

Anyway amazingly in the traditional Bushmen culture you are truly not considered a real "man" until you have the "staying power" to achieve this "O at a D" healing energy. The women will insist that you learn to do this. What Sapolsky talks about in this latest interview is how this behavior of peaceful primates is learned and not some genetic determinism. Essentially if you have a group of nice, loving primate males, then the females will freely present their backsides for that "O at a D" experience (well it's probably pretty close-up for most primates). haha.

Otherwise what happens, as Sapolsky describes, is you get classic "anger displacement" behavior where there is a hierarchy of aggression with those on the bottom getting the worst end of the deal. This, of course, is now the norm for humanity - but amazingly for the Bushmen culture there was a peaceful, loving energy relying on what the male healers called "collecting the N/um of young maidens." The N/um being the electrochemical bliss energy which is then transformed into the male electromagnetic light energy, called !XIA by the Bushmen. Most of the healing at the Bushmen trance dances is about sexual jealousy. After the healing there are much more loving interactions between the males and females. In my experience it takes over five mutual internal climaxes to open up the loving heart chakra. Since most modern males do not have this "staying power" then the emotions do not get ionized via the vagus nerve and the electrochemicals get stuck as anger, lust, sadness, fear and worry. More importantly the external climax is triggered by the stress nervous system -- the sympathetic system, just feeding the same lower emotions. Any male can learn how to do this internal climax by practicing the "small universe" sitting meditation which is just the harmonics of the 12 notes of the music scale applied to the body. This is also what Gurdjieff was teaching and he called it the "circulation of the energy" exercise. A good guidance c.d. is sold at

On science in the psychedelia movement I've recently had some very excellent discussions with a coworker of mine who is something of a psychedelia adept. haha. What I had to emphasize to him is that both the male and female sex energy is electrochemical and therefore "yin" or female while the healing trance energy is electromagnetic or "yang" male energy. Keeping this in mind psychedelia are ALSO examples of female, electrochemical energy. So, again, in the Bushmen culture the creation of electromagnetic healing energy was done through the females singing, using syncopated hand clapping while the males dance around a fire for 10 hours. 90% of the males became healers so shamanism was not considered some special role, as it's often considered in psychedelia. But if the females became healers only then would sometimes be used a psychedelia. In other words the females needed extra help to achieve the trance state because other wise the intensity of pain and emotion is too strong.

Now with my coworker I was quick to emphasize that indeed psychedelia, by creating light, does have the male, yang electromagnetic energy, but only in a limited sense, because as a plant, it's powered by the yin, female electrochemical energy. In contrast what I call the "natural resonance revolution" has unlimited potential because it relies on the basic principles which create both the electrochemical and electromagnetic energy. This is why the male healers never used psychedelia. Even Wade Davis acknowledges that in Africa there is much less reliance on drugs for healing. What is amazing is how the Bushmen culture continues to get ignored, probably because it's almost been totally destroyed. Psychedelia are a type of technology -- a tool -- that in a sense is part of the reason males are cut off from the inherent principles to create healing energy.

And so just as Sapolsky studied trends in primate behavior it's been recently discovered that the first tool users in primates were females -- using spears for hunting. This is quite ironic since we think of the males as hunters and indeed the male chimps are the hunters but the meat is used for sexual favors with the females, often through coercion. The female chimps don't want to get raped so they start using technology to have an alternative source for meat. Anthropologist Christopher Knight, based on his book "Blood Relations," argues that human females established menstrual synchronization with the moon in order to form a group solidarity to ensue that hunting relations remained "civilized." So, in a sense, hidden ovulation, in synch with the moon, is part of the early development of tool use. This is very persuasive and Knight has a grant to finish his next book with more details, called "The Human Conspiracy."

Essentially left-brain language dominance and right-hand tool dominance co-evolved with bipedalism so that long distance hunting could be conducted in an organized fashion. At first the females controlled the land, as is well-established in Bushmen culture. The males can only hunt where the females let them. But with the domestication of animals the males begin to think that THEY controlled the land, and subsequently the moon was seen as a sign of sickness. This is found in the Turkana pastoralists of Kenya -- where very early religion emerges -- the "sun is sick" when the moon covers it up and therefore a sacrifice is required, as I already discussed. Left-brain dominant rules emerged from this early religion as a means of extending the hunting territory. We can see that this is essentially a REGRESSION back to chimp female exogamy -- and it's reliance on coercion and rape through male hierarchy. This control by the lower emotions is what Gurdjieff calls "Kundabuffer" -- literally the closing up of the "organ" in the small of the back, thereby stopping the internal climax using the peaceful parasympathetic nervous system.

This left-brain, right-hand territorial growth just continued later on as science, only now relying on mass ritual sacrifice at the expense of the lunar-governed water-based peaceful ecological or matrifocal horticulture societies. My argument is that while Nature is based on left-hand asymmetric carbon-based molecules, science itself relies on right-hand technology to make left-brain dominance measurements which are cut off from the right-brain dominant healing music that previously maintained harmony of heaven (mind) and earth (body). It's a pretty wild claim: Science is a psychological projection of this lost natural resonance but now the resonance returns as the repressed energy -- as Mother Nature destroying life on earth and starting over. Gurdjieff talks about this destruction of civilization when he states that unless the moon is properly feed by the psychic energy of life on earth, then that life will be wiped out since it's not doing its job in harmony with the moon-sun-earth (yin-yang-consciousness) resonance. What remains is pure consciousness or what I call "female formless awareness."

4/20/2008 10:05:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

The female awareness I know has a hot form actually.

I have seen tons of chemtrails lately, big "X" patterns and everything.

the shamanic drumming rituals you are describing are interesting, Many people in so called "civilization" including myself have experienced much the same thing (minus the canabalism) during the late 90's rave scene in Toronto.
It's in our DNA. the rythm, the lights, it induces a trance state.
so what?
I am not ready to equate that with divine light, though it's a tempting connection to make.

4/21/2008 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who the hell is Pepe?

4/21/2008 09:46:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

psychedelic adept? what constitutes one as an adept?
I would suppose graduating from initiate is a first step.
but in a world where you cannot possibly trust reality (that of say, psychedelia or the world of Drew) because of the influence you are under (or are you free from influences if you starve yourself, Drew?)
People have been known to hallucinate after extended periods of starvation, become delusional, have visions...

4/21/2008 09:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Jeff, Can you do an Expose on PHILIPPE SAUVAGE, an alleged "Celtic faith healer" from Brittany who has been charged with fraud? This case sounds rather creepy, and seems worthy of investigation, cultish and strange.


4/21/2008 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the "energy feast" google "bigu" and professor Rustom Roy for details.

4/21/2008 03:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Costas is watching.

4/21/2008 09:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Costas is a Malaka.

4/21/2008 09:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watch this amazing DvD - WAR DANCE

About kids in Uganda using music to save them after being forced to kill people.

4/21/2008 11:05:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Fruc..Thanx for the Bill Deagle heads up. For some reason, I had never investigated this particular "whistleblower" and you were right about part 3. What a complete picture!!!! docid=-452228146235353070&q=Dr+Bill+Deagle

4/22/2008 10:43:00 AM  
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4/22/2008 08:10:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

what the frikin' frak?

so, chemtrails..

4/23/2008 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent post, frak. Keep up the good work.

4/23/2008 11:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

frak, did you know that they have blowdryers in egypt? it's true, i own one, it's an anti-zionist 2012 model.

4/23/2008 11:09:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Hillary Flashes The Devil Hand
with her "Pennsylvania win" claim

A 'host' of other parasites at the top doing this in the USA pictured here.

4/23/2008 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This site used to worth visiting when it was updated regularly. Since August of 2006 it has become irrelevant.

In my opinion, Jeff wanted to get his book published and had to "chill out" a little so that "the publishers" would cooperate (and by "the publishers" you know who I mean. It's the sad reality we live in.)

The one voice that truly had a unique perspective, a really great blog..... penetrating, inquisitive, current, multi-faceted, BRAVE.... has become significantly diluted to the point of becoming a fringe anecdote.

Too bad.

4/23/2008 11:50:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

that sums it up nicely for me.
but I know i'll still check in regularly.
kind of pathetic, I guess.
But you make a good (albeit negative, "hopeless") point...
so where is there to go now that rigint seems to have stagnated towards
an antecdote?

4/23/2008 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

who do you mean by, "the publishers"???
that's just paranoid dude.
take off the tinfoil hat you weirdo.
seriously, who do you mean?

4/23/2008 12:50:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

funny, August 2006 is when became irrelevant...well, at least Keith Milford stopped the malls...
the past
becomes a more haunting ghost than anything you can imagine
except the horrors of the future.
I'd like to see a post about the vast holographic simulation
that is created to determine the outcome of a nuclear holocaust and the advances in AI and the merging of the two and the computer-brain interface research that will allow for the Matrix to become a reality.
THAT would be a little worth reading about.
Perhaps i will put together a post on MY blog

4/23/2008 12:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fletch, and the rest of the discontent, please visit my site and embark on your personal awakening. Try to convince Chlamor to come along. He's so stubborn, you must convince him to give up the fight. He must be made to realize that the only battle worth fighting is the battle within himself.

4/23/2008 01:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This 'bait & switch' Zeitgeist follow up seems to agree.

4/23/2008 01:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"This site used to worth visiting when it was updated regularly. Since August of 2006 it has become irrelevant.

In my opinion, Jeff wanted to get his book published and had to "chill out" a little so that "the publishers" would cooperate (and by "the publishers" you know who I mean. It's the sad reality we live in.)

The one voice that truly had a unique perspective, a really great blog..... penetrating, inquisitive, current, multi-faceted, BRAVE.... has become significantly diluted to the point of becoming a fringe anecdote.

Too bad."

Look, it's true. Check for yourself and see. Sites like Cryptogon, George Washington's Blog and Aftermath news aren't bad. But none have the penetrating insight which could tie in political, metaphysical and occult subjects like Jeff's used to.

It seems to me that Rigorous Intuition has become a blog "gatekeper" of sorts.

Cave canem...

4/23/2008 02:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"For some time Oprah Winfrey has been drifting further and further out to the fringes of “New Age” philosophy, which is strewn with “self-help” claims. And her fans have faithfully followed the star without much meaningful critical thinking, somewhat like cult members enamored with a self-styled messianic leader.

"Oprah’s ongoing spiritual odyssey last year included a revelation called “The Secret”, a DVD concocted by Rhonda Byrne, a former Australian television and film producer.

"Ms. Byrne’s supposed spiritual breakthrough consisted of little more than a synthesis of existing “positive thinking” theories based largely upon what is called the “law of attraction,” essentially you get what you want if you wish hard enough for it.

"Skeptic Magazine reporter Michael Shermer labeled Byrne’s bromides “incredibly materialistic and narcissistic…magical thinking…”

"But there is a rather dark flip side to the “law of attraction” through its apparent indictment of those that somehow are blamed for attracting negative things.

"John Norcross, a psychologist and professor at the University of Scranton in Pennsylvania who researches self-help books stated within a news report, “So that would mean that if you’re poor, you have somehow earned it by your thinking, If you’ve been sexually abused, you’d be surprised to hear that someway, you’re responsible for that…Cancer victims. Sexual assault victims. Holocaust victims. They’re responsible? The book is riddled with these destructive falsehoods,” Norcross concluded.

"Nevertheless many of Oprah’s rapt devotees were ready to believe whatever “secret” she had to share, after all, who better than a billionaire talk-show host to lead them into the “promised land.”

"For decades Winfrey has cultivated a cult following. And millions of Oprah fans appear willing to do whatever Winfrey wants, whether it’s buy a book or a DVD.

"But this year has Oprah Winfrey “jumped the shark“?

"Now she is enrolling her TV following to receive enlightenment.

"That’s right, USA Today reports that more than 700,000 Oprah fans have recently signed up for a 10-week Web seminar with their talk show sage and her latest guru Eckhart Tolle, author of A New Earth, yet another self-help book recommended by Oprah’s Book Club.

"However, this guru’s bio is just a bit strange.

"After a somewhat sketchy foray into academia and years of severe depression, Tolle (photo left) on his 29th birthday, found himself in the midst of suicidal despair. He has said, “I couldn’t live with myself any longer” and Tolle “felt drawn into a void.” It was at this juncture that his “mind-made self, with its heaviness, its problems, that lives between the unsatisfying past and fearful future, collapsed.”

"Then suddenly “the next morning ” when Tolle woke up “everything was so peaceful” and he had “no explanation for this.”

"Some might observe that the young Tolle snapped and had something like a nervous breakdown, but according to Oprah’s latest revelation, this is when her guru became “enlightened”

"Eckhart Tolle’s version of enlightenment includes a belief in what he calls “painbodies.”

"Tolle’s painbodies appear similar to what Scientologists call “Body Thetans” (BTs), a pesky, negative and nasty thing that should be shed as soon as possible.

"Oprah Winfrey apparently has bought into this “magical thinking.”

"Has she been hanging out too much with Madonna and Tom Cruise?

"But it just isn’t enough for Winfrey to simply embrace such beliefs herself, she wants to proselytize and convert her television audience.

"Are we witnessing the beginning of the Oprah Winfrey cult?

"Hundreds of thousands of diehard Oprah fans that not only adore the star, but are willing to embrace whatever belief system she preaches and praises through her television talk-show pulpit?

"It seems like that old Oprah, which audiences often identified with, is slipping away and a new identity is emerging.

"Oprah may be shedding the cocoon of simple celebrity stardom to evolve into and come forth as something else–a kind of tranformational guru and televangelist.

Stay tuned, but don’t “drink the kool-aid.”

4/24/2008 01:09:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Eckhart, Is your visit here a recent thing, or are you familiar with Jeff’s earlier writing, (or any of the ongoing dialogue?)

Question #2 when do you suppose that the development of ‘personal awareness’ might produce something more than more books on how to develop personal awareness? I mean, really, if we are to collectively refine the nature of our psychical expressions, we need new criteria for understanding, a new aesthetic with greater appeal than current dualistic structures. (And thank you Drew for your work in this direction.)

Anyway I do enjoy your efforts, yet must also thank chlamor for insisting that individual development not trump the ‘collective side of life’.

4/24/2008 06:53:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Eckhart Tolle...
I don't get it.
was that supposed to be a joke?
like someone on this blog messing with us saying, "look here's an Oprah's book club guru for you if you dare to say something skeptical of Jeff!!"
maybe the Great Eckhart Tolle really did just want to pimp his book, but as far as "Awakening to your Life's pupose" goes..
That is a sticky sticky sticky subject.
yet can be so simple really.
Time + Work = purpose. Or lack thereof depending on how nihilistic you are.
and purpose is an even stickier subject.
It's kind of like saying "look here., I know the meaning of life. Buy my book and you will too!"
um, sure.
old nobodaddy pain god said it best.
This wishy washy recycled pablam isn't gonna get you anything more than a dilluted delusion of wholeness or peace.
But hey, don't let me rain on your good fortune, Eckhart. You're on the cult's reading list now.

4/24/2008 07:57:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Oprah's transformation fits so neatly with her support of Obama too.
yeah, I obvious thing, but Opra becoming a transformational guru..
and supporting a "Change" candidate, nice.

4/24/2008 08:05:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Repost. I only added some boldface. Do watch the film, particularly if you are Canadian.

Did Illuminati Exterminate
Canadian Indian Children?
By Henry Makow PhD

Some of the most resolute do-gooders in the world are Christian Canadians. But while they condemn Ernst Zundel for "holocaust denial," they may have some skeletons of their own buried in the woods near former church-run residential schools.

For 15 years, a defrocked United Church Minister , Kevin Annett, 51, has led an heroic crusade to make the church admit that as many as 50,000 Indian children may have been murdered in residential schools and hospitals funded by the Canadian government and run by the United, Anglican and Catholic Churches.

Two weeks ago his organization released a list of 28 locations of mass graves located near residential schools and hospitals.

For example:

" Port Alberni: Presbyterian-United Church school (1895-1973), now occupied by the Nuu-Chah-Nulth Tribal Council (NTC) office, Kitskuksis Road . Grave site is a series of sinkhole rows in hills 100 metres due west of the NTC building, in thick foliage, past an unused water pipeline. Children also interred at Tseshaht reserve cemetery, and in wooded gully east of Catholic cemetery on River Road."

This press release got no coverage in the mainstream media.

Arnett's website ( that government records place the annual death rate of children at residential schools between 1907 and 1959 at 50 per cent.

This sounds like an organized policy of genocide to me.

The Churches have told the public that these crimes were isolated instances of physical and sexual abuse. In 2005, the Canadian government promised almost $2 billion to tens of thousands of "survivors" but refused to issue an apology.

The truth may be far more serious, so horrific indeed as to defy belief. The Church was active in defrauding Indian bands of their lands. Children were deliberately murdered, often exposed to deadly diseases. But most telling of all, pedophile rings preyed on some children while others were subjected to medical experiments by German-speaking doctors.

This and the fact that Annett has met with near-unanimous rejection from every branch of the Canadian establishment, including the Church, academia, government and the media, suggests that he may have stepped on Illuminati toes.

Annett describes his persecution in his must-see documentary ( "Unrepentant: Kevin Annett and Canadian Genocide." He was repeatedly threatened with expulsion from the church if he didn't drop the investigation. His wife was subverted and divorced him taking their two children.

After being removed from the church, he was kicked out of a Ph.D. program at the University of British Columbia and told he would never work in academia.

He was harassed and beaten by the police.

Apart from the necessity for the Churches and Canadian government to acknowledge and atone for their crimes, Annett's story illustrates how most of our institutions are infiltrated and run by racists, satanists, perverts and criminals, often masquerading as devout and God-fearing Christians.

If these claims of genocide are true, they do not bode well for us re. other Illuminati depopulation programs....

Annett believes that the Church is part of the engine of elite control and oppression and he advocates a boycott of the Canadian churches named, and Canada in general, until these questions have been resolved.

He will be my guest this Sunday at 10 pm. CT on my Internet radio show on


Response from Wes Penre of

*Seems like *we were tuning into the same thing here. I also posted an article about the church yesterday. Annett is right- he definitely stepped on Illuminati toes. The United Church of Canada is most probably controlled by the OTO,[Ordo Templi Orientis] Crowley's old Magick Order. Please check the two pics I attached. The 'golden' one is the logo of the church of course,and the black one the logo of the OTO. [they are pretty much similar in shape and design except different symbols on the design.]

Same old Sex Magick and Human Sacrifice...Annett's video very strong, by the way. After all the research I've done in my days, it takes a lot to move me in a way this film did. It actually made me mad.

Oh, a little side note, by the way. I know a person who has been an A.'.A.'. member (offspring from the OTO) most of his adult life and he also knows the OTO inside out. He explained to me some years ago what the OTO logo represents: The symbol in itself is the female vagina, the bird (dove) is the male semen moving towards the Holy Grail, which is the female egg. That's Sex Magick in pure symbolism.


Church Denials united_church_080328/20080328?hub=Canada

Fits with the testimony of Bill Schnoebelen, ex-Illuminatus and 'flipped' to Christian back once more, in his film Exposing the Illuminati from the Inside (2005), which you can find on the net and judge for yourself.

Particularly interesting in that film is from around 15 minutes to around 23 minutes into it.

4/24/2008 09:02:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Mark, thanks for that.
a question,
does anyone remember the post about who really wrote the Matrix?
It was like some military intelligence guy or something...
I have been trying to find it but to no avail...
I get that the wachowski Bros. wrote it or a Black Woman...
here's a repost of mah own to counter or to augment the Tolle thing..:
In a holographic universe there are no limits to the extent to which we can alter the fabric of reality.
What we perceive as reality is only a canvas waiting for us to draw upon it any picture we want. Anything is possible, from bending spoons with the power of the mind to the phantasmagoric events experienced by Castaneda during his encounters with the Yaqui brujo don Juan, for magic is our birthright, no more or less miraculous than our ability to compute the reality we want when we are in our dreams. Indeed, even our most fundamental notions about reality become suspect, for in a holographic universe, as Pribram has pointed out, even random events would have to be seen as based on holographic principles and therefore determined. Synchronicities or meaningful coincidences suddenly makes sense, and everything in reality would have to be seen as a metaphor, for even the most haphazard events would express some underlying symmetry.
Whether Bohm and Pribram's holographic paradigm becomes accepted in science or dies an ignoble death remains to be seen, but it is safe to say that it has already had an influence on the thinking of many scientists. And even if it is found that the holographic model does not provide the best explanation for the instantaneous communications that seem to be passing back and forth between subatomic particles, at the very least, as noted by Basil Hiley, a physicist at Birbeck College in London, Aspect's findings "indicate that we must be prepared to consider radically new views of reality".

4/24/2008 09:26:00 AM  
Blogger Peter Greene said...

@Fletcher - In my (probably should be humbler, but hey, we ARE the Lord Reptor, after all) opinion, the only way to have a radically new view of reality is to change the body.

It might be possible to change things around enough naturally (or with a little chemical help) to make reality look a lot different, and/or to focus on advanced uses for our advanced brains - such as using coherent energy other than sound outside the old bonebox,.

Spoons, though, they METAL. One just doesn't have the D-cells upstairs to do the job. You don't see Spoonmaster Gasharishathra bending up soup shovels without actually touching them, to like channel his vibe, you know.

Picking up a brush and painting the canvas of reality with moustaches and pink dots is kind of a fraught trick too. Under controlled circumstances, that kind of thing can be edifying, rewarding, even empowering.

If you happen to have a sharp enough brain and weird enough pheromones to convince others to personally realize your constructs of this nature, you can play magician.

That kind of power is dangerous, though - car-wreck dangerous. I'm sure Carlos Testicleda or whoever the latest popular master of jiggery-pokery noetic nimbleness is makes a lovely party companion, but dollars to donuts his personal life is a fucked-up shambles whether he knows it or not.

Magic is best kept personal. People make awful bonsai.

Gleefully making no sense,
Lord Reptor

PS - Telepathy, telempathy - now, there, I might have a lot more interest...

4/24/2008 01:01:00 PM  
Blogger Peter Greene said...

@Mark - I'll have to check out the Makow flick...sounds interesting.

I suppose we probably got a dose of Nazis after WWII, just like Japan (man, our Subaru is still packing a Krautish little boxer sixty years down the line) or the Americans (ever heard Tom Lehrer's tune Werner von Braun?). Wouldn't surprise me a bit to find the clean and horrid fingers of Nazi doctors all over our disadvantaged and low-visibility citizens.

We were involuntarily sterilizing people officially until what, the 70's? Bet we're still doing it.

All I can say is count your blessings. At least we stand a good chance of reaching adulthood at this point - give that twenty years and we'll see.

Goodness knows, we may be vaccinated with preset lifespans and crippling 'enhancements' at birth by then.

And back to the idea of changing reality - I do think that that necessarily involves body changes, large or small, subtle or gross.

I also think that socially powerful elements in and around our nations (be they Nazis in Oceania or Sumerian people herders or both or neither) feel the same way on the issue, and have likely been very busy on the job with more than mere social engineering since before the warnings of Zamiatin or Huxley or Wells. Shamanic or magical puissance won't keep and protect us from DNA-wreckers intent on making ants of us.

No more blogging around - I really am going to go and do the chores now,
Lord Reptor.

4/24/2008 01:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


O.K. so yesterday proved to be an interesting work shift. A co-worker whose been interested in my research talked to me about the movie I had loaned him -- Ancient Futures: Learning from Ladakh by Helena Norberg-Hodge. He said it made him feel bad and I said you mean guilty? He said yeah. haha. Anyway I mentioned I had met her and that he just needed to go deeper down the rabbit hole -- maybe watch Kung Fu movies! haha. But later we talked about socialism and the elections and the views of our families' politics and how this leads to irrational, emotional attacks in families, etc. I emphasized to him that the revolution is now -- that all of this is very superficial compared to the ecological crisis humanity is facing -- how literally what is happening has not happened on Earth in tens of millions of years and how reality should not be defined by humans.

Later on he was frustrated from his environmental activist work and came to me with the nonverbalized expectation of an energy shot. I've done this to him before -- "hold on let me charge you up." He sits there and we sort of look into each others eyes but sometimes the energy is too intense for him. So I asked him if he had taken those shrooms as his plan was last time we had chatted. He described the experience and how he and his girlfriend had nausea for the first hour or so but afterwards he was able to obtain a sense of deeper awareness and he found his analytic skills in using language were much stronger. I stated that I had repeated our previous conversation for a recent blog interview that will be translated into spanish -- Sr. Psicoplasma's blog. haha. Then I stated that "civilization IS a side-effect."

As my work continued -- in a part of the office where I am exposed to a lot of different departments exchanging information -- I continued sitting in full-lotus -- as the above took place. As Yogananda states about one of his gurus -- the full-lotus was "habitual" and so it should be. Later one young female worker asked me some question -- after realizing she didn't recognize me (my beard and head are now shaved). Another young female worker had just been asking my about what I said to a different worker weeks ago about music tuning and east-west culture. So I told her about the 12 notes along the outside of the body. Anyway the other young female worker didn't want to turn from my eyes -- my energy just flowed into her and she soaked it up.

Later another young female worker joked how the other one had been distracting me and so the one looking into my eyes exclaimed: He looks so calm sitting there and he shot energy into me! It's nice to have those affirmations of the energy exchanges of which there were several more that day at work, as is usual. Of course I deal with the "side effects" of civilization as "negative transference" but there does seem to be more of a "mainstreaming" of this energy practice.

Which brings me back to Richard Feynman. Another person I know in Minneapolis dropped out of his physics major after an interest in parapsychology (he actually hung out with Dr. Rhine at Durham). This friend who works at the local used bookstore -- he stated that Feynman had tried LSD in a deprivation tank of John Lilly but he hadn't discovered anything and dismissed it. Well today I happened upon Feynman's description and it was Ketamine -- not LSD -- but Feynman stated that when he smoked pot before doing a deprivation tank session then his "hallucinations" were much stronger.

What's fascinating about Feynman's analysis is that he's building on his previous mind yoga training where he had studied his dreams. He now equates his dreams with his hallucinations. He stated that to make sure he wasn't dreaming he would wiggle his thumbs while in the deprivation tank -- EVEN THOUGH HIS CONSCIOUSNESS WAS OUT OF HIS BODY watching himself from behind.

If you recall Feynman's dream yoga ended with the lucid dream experience of a metal rod rammed into the back of his head yet now his OBEs rely on also leaving through the back of his head. But just as with his dream yoga Feynman concludes that what we experience in OBEs are simple a byproduct of our subconscious thoughts and have no basis in "external" or physically perceived reality. The example Feynman gives is that he was trying to analyze were memory comes from in the brain -- how it's processed -- in contrast to a computer. He realized that his memory was guided by his sense of location -- when he just focused on a particular location then it would open up a series of detailed memories. So he finished his deprivation session convinced that this was the secret of how the brain stored memories yet he realized after 45 minutes -- that in fact that's a hallucination having nothing to do with the actual physical brain.

First of all we need to realize that in fact not all dreams are hallucinations. As the book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" emphasizes -- the one dream that is physically real is the nocturnal emission. Secondly Feynman was relying on Freudian psychology but there is no Freudian equivalent for having OBEs or lucid dreams which leave through the back of the head - yet we do find this in alchemy.

So how do we resolve this problem -- the answer again is that the Revolution is NOW -- not "where." We find this again, just like Feynman's previous "triode" problem around the time of his dream practice, with another scientific experiment near the time of his deprivation practice. When Feynman was doing his dream practice he was also doing his triode research and I argued that the subconsious answer to his "dream" of the metal rod in the back of his head was solved through the "reversal of the pre-amp" (reversal of phase and therefore amplification of frequency) in his triode work. In this case Feynman gives his example of the perfect science experiment in contrast to what he called ""cargo cult science." The perfect experiment as he states, was ignored by other scientists because it "didn't discover anything about the rats." But the scientist did discover all the things you have to do to discover things about rats.

What's fascinating about this Freudian Slip of Feynman is that indeed there had been something discovered about the rats in Feynman's example of the "perfect experiment." What was discovered is that rats are extremely aware of small differences in SOUND. (it was one of those maze-food door experiments and the scientist had tried to hide the door by smell and vision -- to no avail). Sound was the "limiting factor." But here we have Feynman declaring that there was nothing discovered about the rats.

This is because Feynman himself does not give sound -- in particular the logical basis of sound -- enough importance. Feynman in his autobiography complains that math books had lost touch with practical science -- that there was a lack of word problems dealing with real physical situations. In Feynman's practice he stated that no matter what the physics theory he had to realize it -- test it -- in a real physical situation. Yet here's Feynman's Freudian Slip -- he dismissed the rat's keen perception of sound as a real physical situation. Not only that but the analysis Feynman did of his dreams and OBEs occurred as SOUND -- as language in his head. Finally consider the Turing Test of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. Turing relied on the fact that Cantor's set theory is dependent on a MECHANICAL practice of creating diagonal lines -- in other words Turing was still relying on the logic of Cantor's set theorem as defined by visual, external reality -- whereas logic itself is NOT dependent on external physical reality, even though it still maintains a direct relation to it.

We can find further details on this secret by remembering again that the REVOLUTION IS NOW -- not "where" in physical sensations -- but the logical inference of the source of time. Normally in physics time is not questioned -- for calculus, Feynman's forte, time is an "independent variable" based on the assumption that it's measured as a "divide and average" division of space. In contrast, to refer back to Feynman's misplaced insights on how memory is stored in the brain, biologist J.W.S. Pringle has argued that memory is a function not of place in the brain -- but of time. Physicist John Eccles and neuropsychologist Karl Pribram both expanded on this, arguing that memory in the brain is stored as a function of time as a synchronized holograph.

The crucial function of a holograph, made from lasers, is the PHASE or inherent time of the space. As physicist Fred Alan Wolf states, "The amplitude of a wave measures its strength. The phase of the wave determines its rhythmic relationship with all other waves. When waves in phase add together coherently they form a single wave with dramatic strength." (p. 143, Space Time and Beyond). Now the technology of a laser still is dependent on a physical, visual, mechanical reality, but the concepts of amplitude and phase come from number theory -- the concepts of logarithms as time defined as "divide and averaged" space. But resonance, as constructive entrainment to create amplitude from frequency -- or coherent phase as amplitude frequency -- is not limited to "divide and averaged" time as space. In fact that's exactly the intractable limitations of science.

When a harmonic function is unbounded by space -- even a very simple one -- then it can not be solved by calculus. The harmonic series itself is diverging and as my research has emphasized, in fact the harmonic series violates the commutative principle -- the very same principle Feynman complains about being over-emphasized in modern math books. Feynman wanted to stay a "nuts and bolts" man but the quantum physics itself violates the commutative principle and so such an abstract concept has been proven to be of serious interest in physical, mechanical science.

So originally music theory, with C to G as 2:3 and G to C as 3:4 violated the commutative principle, yet also enables what would now be called a "fractal" -- something that can not be defined by reductionist science, yet is "self-recursive." The only problem is that fractals themselves rely on "divide and average" math using supercomputers to model. Now -- the natural resonance revolution is pure logical inference -- even not relying on Godel's definition of time as a function of space. Yet as the numbers resonate through the physical process of listening to the source of the I-thought -- there is a physical transformation, just like a laser -- the coherence of frequency creates a significant increase in amplitude. Only in this case the phase does not state as a function of squaring space -- space itself collapses to something even beyond time -- pure consciousness.

4/24/2008 08:54:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Reptor said:

"Wouldn't surprise me a bit to find the clean and horrid fingers of Nazi doctors all over our disadvantaged and low-visibility citizens."

Well, for another Nazi-USA-Canadian admixture, Dr. Ewen Cameron was the outsourced Canadian person who did the CIA's dirty research work on MKULTRA--until he did it to a politician's wife in Canada. THEN and only then were there repercussions. What was her name?

And just a comment after scanning GGG's 'New Age Dilbert' story.

Yes, Learning from Ladakh is an interesting documentary--to see all of several hundred years of 'development and progress' (I would call it de-development) thrown at a people under ten years allows them to talk about what it is doing to them. And no one liked that version of development bought at the price of dependence and even undermining of their locality's development. Lots of perceptive comments in that film. Almost like an allegory more than a documentary.

One of the interesting bits of the Ladakh film: Permaculturalist-Australian Peter Andrews is applying and reinventing the EXACT water harvesting and soil infiltration techniques as Northern India (15 minutes into it).

Both films linked here:

Learning from Ladakh indeed. Another thing you can witness is the widening distanciation, inefficiency, and non-economic non-durable issues of economy expanding. It is eroding the localities due [1] to subsidies from a distant Indian state (the non-economic road building, the non-economic rice subsidies back in India undercutting local agriculture in Ladakh) instead of the state supporting the integrity of the localities; and as well as [2] the peeling away of Ladahkians themselves to 'try out' these novel status items. However, by the time they want to go back, their trying it out had destroyed the frameworks of their locality already and they were forced to keep 'Indian development' in Ladakh even though no one was getting happier and were visibly confused about how they lost everything they valued while gaining something they thought was materially useful though trivial.

Permaculture is definitely learning from Ladakh though. The bioregional state learns from Ladakh as well: how do we create a networked cross-watershed commonwealth without generating the forms of politics and corruption seen eroding places like Ladakh?

"The dead tree referenced in this post is the current ill-equipped and corrupt form of formal democracy. The fresh shoots are the novel ecological checks and balances of the bioregional state. These fresh shoots are required to allow further growth toward sustainability and sound democracy instead of passively allowing the dead tree to topple and destroy democracy with it which is the direction it is leaning.

Arguably, it is the direction that all territorial state societies historically have leaned—their predictable self-destruction--without the institutional adaptions of the bioregional state."

4/25/2008 02:46:00 AM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

Well, lets see..
We've got "troops" in full body
armor with automatic weapons and
bomb sniffing dogs roaming the
subways...It's official!..The
United States Of America is now
a "Third World" country. My thanks
to all who made it possible.. and
you know who you are.

4/25/2008 02:59:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

GGG, thanks for the usual funny ride.
So do only "young females" respond to your energy shots? what about old ladies?
I actually really dug what you wrote about the holographic nature of alot about that and holography in general. REVOLUTION IS NOW indeed. it comes back and bites you in the ass.
MARK, you rule dude.
nice stuff bioregional tree metaphor works for me.
I wonder what Jeff's post will be about...time slipping away? into the future....

4/25/2008 11:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

me keeps on drippin

out of my sutures

do do do


do do do


4/25/2008 03:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

old ladies and even old male dogs.

4/25/2008 07:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pages 215 - 238 SECRET & SUPPRESSED

"The following document was anonymously sent to me during this book's preparation. It purports to be a secret history of Western civilization gleaned from secret documents in the Vatican library by a member of the Franciscan order. The inked imprint of a Vatican library entrance chit affixed to the original document and duplicated at the end of the article is a strong indication that the author does have access to Vatican sources, although his conclusions are indicative of a highly right-wing slant that pegs the piece as possible disinformation - from what quarter, I cannot speculate. This document is included herein because of its unusual origin, and as an example of one very suspect sidepath in the tangle of competing conspiracy worldviews."

"Indeed, to investigate the history of this religion (done so admirably by Benjamin Freedman in his tome, "Facts Are Facts") is to discover that modern rank-and-file Jewry has no real connexion to historical Judaism, but are in fact pawns in a much larger and more vicious game than they realize. To begin, then: the rite of consecration of the Kohen (ritual/sacri ficial priest) and that of normative ritual sacrifice are very nearly identical. The Kohen-elect is made to enter a pit beneath the grating that is beside the altar of sacrifice, also called the altar of holocaust (shoah, in the Hebrew), which is described at chapter 27 of Exodus, in the first part. The altar grating is placed over the pit (actually more an encircling trench), and the sacrificial victim is brought to the altar. The preferred victim is a young boy of Jewish blood; young girls are useable, especially when supply is high, but boys are the preferred victim.

"Most 'Jewish' parents during the Templar periods (the times during which a properly-con secrated temple stood at Jerusalem) were required to redeem their children with an offering (see chapter 12 of Leviticus); at these time, the children of the destitute (who could not offer the prescribed ransom) were used - in modem times, any so-called 'Jewish' child may be kidnapped & used for the sacrifice, or for the ordination, though for the sin offering a Gentile child may be used. The child, preferably an infant or toddler (but any child up to the age of thineen being acceptable, if virginal), is stood upon the grating over the head of the Kohen-elect, nude, facing northward; the child's head is grasped firmly by the officiating priest (or by him and his assistant, should the child be older & put up a fight), and the child's throat is then slit to open the jugular vein. Some of the blood is made to splatter against the eastern face of the altar itself, while the rest spatters through the grating to bathe the Kohen-elect, who drinks a mouthful of the blood as it pours over him.

"The officiating Kohen then wets his fingers with the screaming innocent's blood and, walking counter-clockwise around the altar, traces certain arcane sigils upon the altar's horns with the blood; then, arriving back at the child's position, he takes a mouthful of the spurting blood. The Kohen-elect is helped out from under the grating & joins the assisting Kohens at the child's side, and all are liberally mouth-sprayed with the child's blood by the officiating Kohen, thus sealing the new Kohen as a member of the priesthood.

"The child, weak from loss of blood but still very much alive, is butchered; the internal fatty tissue, the liver, and the kidneys are set aside to be burnt, and the Kohens feast on what they want of the rest, burning tlie unused Portions before sunset, according to Levitical law. This is also the basic procedure for the regular ritual sacrifice, with the exceptions being that in regular sacrifice, the blood spills uninterrupted through the grating, to renew the consecration of the sill on which the temple or killing-floor rests, and that the mouth-spraying of the child's blood is omitted. Similarities between the Jewish and Teutonic rituals are close; the parallels suggest, perhaps, a common origin for certain practices, perhaps deriving from central Asia via the Khazars. in the Teutonic rite, the altar is generally an unhewn dolmen, and the pit and its attendant grating are absent. The priest to be consecrated in this rite merely lies, nude, on the ground at the eastern face of the stone altar (the eastern face of the altar being sacred to both the Zionists and the Teutons), and the victim -a child of either gender between the ages of seven and twelve, virginal -is brought to him.

"The child is forced down upon the priest~lect in a kneeling position, straddling the elect's hips, at which time sexual penetration (notably absent in the Zionist rite) is achieved, anally for a young boy, vaginally for a young girl. The child's head is faced east, as in the Zionist rite, and the jugular is opened, showering the priest-elect with blood, some of which is ingested. The child is then penetrated sexually by the attending priests until such time as death occurs. In both rites, the bathing in and ingestion of the blood of the child is required for proper consecration, and in the Teutonic rite (as in the Zionist), the body of the child is eaten. In the everyday ritual of sacrifice in the Teutonic rite, no priest-elect lies before the dolmen; instead, the child is penetrated by each of the priests in turn, according to rank or seniority (depending on which of two rites is being followed; I am unclear as to the exact distinction between the two, other than this particular difference of practice). The Order of Knights Templars - who operated extensively in the north - had been influenced heavily by the Teutonic/Zionist cult."

4/25/2008 08:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4th Base, will you please shut the fuck up and spend your time in more useful ways? Are you that much of a dense idiot that you would argue with what is obviously egregious atrocities, and split hairs as to what should and should not be considered a Holocaust? Step back, you idiot, and think about how absurd it is for you to take a counterpoint to Alice on this. Alice's weakness is not in comparing the treatment of the Palestinians by Israel to the Holocaust. Her weakness is that is all she sees. The lens through which she views life is tainted by that poison and she is incapable of seeing beyond the the blight of Zionism. Choose your battles wisely. The one you have chosen is a losing one.

4/25/2008 09:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ding Dong RI is dead

Don't know what happened to Jeff but it's time to move on.

Someone needs to pick up the ball and run with it so that more people can discover the nexus that connects the majority of world shaping events.

See you on the other side

4/26/2008 06:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark - I'm just curious, how do you practice "permanent culture" on your own? -- RIGHT NOW! Obviously property law restricts the practice of permaculture to just being more or less hobby farms.

So Mark -- have you read the book 400 centuries of farming -- about a U.S. ag. official who tours Asia? The main difference, of course, is the "night soil" -- taking human shit and mixing it with water and then applying it. The Asians just make sure to cook their vegetables. That's of course the secret of permaculture.

Now then -- what qigong does is the SAME thing as "permaculture" -- only it's RIGHT NOW in the human body.

All those lower electrochemical processes remain detached from the brain in the normal, modern human. Qigong and yoga use a vortex -- the full-lotus -- to transduce, through the vagus nerve, the serotonin stored in the stomach (along with the anerobic bacteria or shit) up into the brain. This enables males to have multiple internal orgasms to connect sex with love.

Consider that the latest DNA studies argue that the Koi-san Bushmen are literally A DIFFERENT SPECIES of human, which then rejoined with West and Eastern Africans less than 90,000 years ago.

It's strange that the only culture where 90% of the males practice qigong or yoga -- trance healing transduction of their food and shit -- are now considered a separate species.

That just shows how deep the ecologial crisis is -- how matrifocal horticulture is really the byproduct of a deeper split when humans were able to live in very severe environments (a drought almost made humans extinct some 100,000 years ago).

It was QIGONG or yoga -- trance healing transduction of food and shit into electromagnetic light, through the pineal gland -- recycling the otherwise burned off waste into lost fluid -- that enabled humans to survive and become "modern" (i.e. have sedentary gardens).

4/26/2008 04:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4/26/2008 05:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff, what's going on with your book? Is there a place where you've already posted updates?

4/26/2008 08:14:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...


"Mark - I'm just curious, how do you practice "permanent culture" on your own? -- RIGHT NOW! Obviously property law restricts the practice of permaculture to just being more or less hobby farms.

Well, it's hardly like there is a common property law worldwide, so it's different in every country. Moreover it's different for every plotted area as well.

For instance, there have been subdivisions of permacultural/housing development in Australia, UK, and USA--though these are larger platted area.

If you want a mini permaculture, one of the founders of permaculture, Bill Mollison has a cute video where he builds a little micro-permaculture on an outside deck of an apartment of all places (replete with tanks, grape vines, fish, lots of things). So it's possible.

Many cities have community gardens.

Many cities have rentable plots in these as well.

In other words, I think the only person 'restricting you' is in your mind.

Famous examples of repression of community gardens didn't have an ideological desire to 'restrict' organic agriculture and permaculture and were closer to land tenure battles--like that one a year and a half ago in Los Angeles. There it was due to a combination of insecure land tenure allowing a true psychopath to seize control. His 'non-economic' and somewhat ideological rationale to do more than make profit ("he wanted to win" an intellectual and power argument) led to the city bulldozing the garden (even after when people matched the psychopath's purchase price he wanted! He didn't care about profit or organic agricutlture. He ideologically wanted to win a political argument and didn't like being delegitimated in L.A. politics, so he went out of his way to bulldoze the area that made him look bad. Though that's a side issue, and it started due to insecure land tenure.).

Just an aside though more on that:

"newswire article reporting united states 16.Jun.2006 23:36
community building | sustainability
LAPD armed police storm nation's largest COMMUNITY GARDEN, some come out on stretchers

LAPD, six helicopters, L.A Fire Department, and 65 helmeted deputies of Sheriff's Department's Civil Management Unit crack peaceful organic heads, at dawn. LAPD armed police and others stormed an organic community garden in South Central L.A. this week, arresting 25 people including actress Daryl Hannah who had spent three straight weeks at the farm, choosing to be arrested. A lot of time for a celebrity to commit. --- 14 acre plot of land, used by 350+ neighborhood fruit and vegetable farmers for 10 years, is the U.S.'s largest urban community garden. It is a symbol of local development, nutrition, and hope for embattled South Central L.A., that keeps many kids out of gangs. A dispute over land--and a reneged purchase price deal once matched--led to dramatic standoff between neighborhood residents and truly evil real estate lobby of Los Angeles behind Mr. Ralph Horowitz. Horowitz hypocritically reneged on his own purchase deal when matched--he is said to be furious to have "lost" the PR battle and the land, preferring to "invade." Horowitz's "price deal" seems some sort of empty PR campaign, because he was furious when the groups managed to buy the land at his price, which he then rejects. That's going to court in July.

Despite massive public opposition, the multi-millionaire Horowitz obtained court order to pave over the community garden for an industrial warehouse, calling in police and bulldozers to clear the property of inhabitants, some chained to trees. Some so injured they were taken out on stretchers. Neighborhood farmers and residents, along with the L.A. organic community, have vowed to keep up the struggle and save the community garden.

Psychopath Horowitz calls the farmers "ungrateful."

On July 12, the Farmers and community will go to court to fight the legality of the sale of the land. This is not the end...Farm supporters are asking people to do the following..."

This L.A. garden plot was set aside after the Rodney King 'police riot' was unpunished by the courts and Black Americans in L.A. rioted.

(Another example of racial bias and refusing to deal with police overkill via the courts just happened in NYC with the injustice around Sean Bell's death.)

I've seen Bill Mollison talking and demonstrating permaculture employed in some of New York City's over 1,000 community gardens.

Permaculture is just a handful of guilds of commodities being integrated sustainably (fibers, heat/coolants, water handling, soil handling, and foods of different kinds mostly).

Currently, we're being destroyed by many more commodity categories than bad food and fiber organization though. I think there are at least around 76 different guilds instead. Hence, commodity ecology. As well as solving political organizational issues as well in the bioregional state so territorial states avoid 'precessing' toward environmental degradation.

The Lakota leader Russell Means is right: it starts with a desire for independence instead of dependence and clientelism. See his complaint summary of why the Lakota entirely withdrew from all U.S. treaties in December 2007 and his views on turning the newly hatched "Republic of Lakota" into an organic, wind-powered dreamland. (14 min video)


"So Mark -- have you read the book 400 centuries of farming -- about a U.S. ag. official who tours Asia?

I think you mean 40 centuries.

It gives a mistaken impression of "timeless happy Asia of sustainability"--a rather Eurocentric conceit. The conceit is carried through by cradle-to-cradle ideas of McDonough (whom I like) though he writes this about it:

"We wrote Cradle to Cradle in this spirit of hope and resolve. By celebrating a commercially productive, socially beneficial, and ecologically intelligent approach to the making of things, we wanted to suggest the possibility of a positive, inspiring future for human endeavor.

Our vision owes much to Chinese culture. The idea that humanity can have a mutually beneficial relationship with the biological world is the foundation of the 4000 year-old tradition of Chinese agriculture. Without a fundamental understanding of the regenerative, cradle-to-cradle nutrient flows that enrich the soil and bring new growth, without a keen appreciation for the many ways in which human participation in the landscape can support life, Chinese civilization would not have survived."

However, that ahistorical rosy picture hasn't been the case: famines, soil erosion, dynasty topplings involved in environmental degradation externalities over these 40 centuries has been closer to the case.

And McDonough ignores the truly political economy issues perpetuating environmental degradation, so as important as it is, just getting the commodity flows right is a major part though getting the state right is another major part. Organizing the state to maintain and protect forms of feedback about local economic development undermining or durability is important simultaneously.

So while sure, it's certainly practiced in certain epochs of extreme localization, it's a product of a more localized economic input and market and care.

That book you mentioned was written in a Chinese warlord era--one of extreme localization and low commodity scaled production for markets. Historically, with the Chinese state once more consolidated it contributes to undermining this kind of local "Ladakh-like" ecosecurity (similar to the Indian 'development' into Ladakh area in the film) by larger markets, subsidies, etc., and state pressures on the economy that destroy it in the past. For China, I'm talking about the period after the T'ang and through the Sung--huge areas of awfully consolidated Chinese agriculture, erosion, and starvation, and farmer poverty; as well as the degradation before the Ch'in/Qin in that marketized economy and in the later Han's consolidated estates versus the people, etc.). So it's a mistake to view "Asia" (or anywhere) as a timeless area without historical development change. It's just like European areas in terms of process. However, it's right to learn from the contexts when it was more sustainable.

However, yes, for the point GGG mentioned of the chemical cycles inbuilt into some of it, at certain times, and practiced by certain people, in certain areas, yes, that's pretty much permaculture of the Mollison type.

Except that he and Holmgren started to integrate wider ecological knowledges, species and spatial/built environment interactions and knowledge into such agricultural cycles to minimize labor input and maximize food output sustainably. Though I'm sure you know that already.

4/27/2008 01:27:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Drew wrote...

“That's of course the secret of permaculture.”

Drew, your cocky assurance about anything you speak of may be cured via a long-term tactile and psychical connection to a woman. I suppose that is not in the cards for you however.

In one sense, Drew I enjoy a good bit of your production because it tries to define the nature of energy flows. Still charismatic people do the projecting of ‘chi’ all the time. And history shows that ‘chi’ abuse can lead to ecological and people abuse. My new neighbor was profiled in the first grade by social workers trying to discover the secrets of his influence. (He could make other kids do embarrassing things.)
He is a rough character, not educated but far more intelligent than most people. Long story short; after many hard years he is learning the virtues of treating others with proper consideration.

Thanks Mark.

Too bad Eckhart cannot enter the fray, image being all that is, it seems.

4/27/2008 09:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Listen Mark -- I hate to rain on your perm-parade again but maybe you haven't heard of the WTO? What's the property law for depleted uranium?

Holistic thinking was the pet-project of the Nazis as I'm sure you're aware -- precisely because "holistic thinking" was cushioned within the religion of technology, as you continue to do Mark. (Systems theory is now fractals, etc.)

The West, as you point out Mark, includes China as well -- ever since 300 B.C. the male farmers of China have been required to have an "iron plow."

But there is always this subversive matrifocal horticulture thing going on. I would say this goes back to the difference between chimps and bonobos or fruit-based gorillas and plant-based gorillas.

When primates started relying on a limited resource, high in fat, for food -- FRUIT - then our bodies became property (i.e. rape and monogamy were practiced in exchange for food).

So there's something really deep going on here about a struggle between the cortex and the limbic region of the brain -- which I argue is resolved by the pineal gland's ability to over-ride the conflict, by bringing in the amplitude of the cerebellum-body physiology.

That's again what REAL permanent culture is -- adapting to our environment just as reptiles do -- going into hibernation when it's cold, for example.

So it's not about just going to a culture BEFORE property-based horticulture (the foraging of the Koi-san before 10,000 BCE) but also before the hunting of the male koi-san primates (which was jeopardized before 90,000 BCE in a severe drought). Remember the Koi-san trance healers technically are no longer human!

I would say around 100,000 BCE humans faced an ecological juggernaut, much like today, when our brains were forced to resort to our reptilian ability to truly adapt to extreme temperatures (both cold and hot) and even to our innate plant abilities to create energy straight from the sun (MUTUS LIBER).

I'm taking about truly being like a piece of shit or even a 4 billion year old rock -- that chunk of iron left over from a star -- that helium and hydrogen -- that ion or even better

That "QUANTUM FLUID" whereby through very high frequency resonance (the Hall Effect) -- electrons turn into photons which themselves turn into white holes of light, bent by spacetime itself (refractive index), all guided by that which can not been seen:

female formless awareness.

4/27/2008 11:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course all this will be taken care of for us:

Social Security Surveillance Act Enters House PDF Print E-mail
Written by Gary Franchi
Tuesday, 04 March 2008

Kirk with an original SS card.RTR Libertyville, IL - Under the guise of protecting seniors and our national security, Congressman Mark Kirk of Illinois 10th District and Peter Roskam of the 6th District are setting the wheels in motion for another crack at a national ID card. The “Social Security Identity Theft Prevention Act” (H.R. 5405) more appropriately titled the “Social Security Surveillance Act” was likely spurred by high opposition to the failing Real ID Act. This act would be an adequate run around to implement Real ID yet in another form. They claim their reasons for introducing this act is to curb the high rate of identity theft in Northern Illinois.

The new Social Security Surveillance (SSS) card will retain the standard features of the Social Security card such as the name and account number of the card holder, but will now include beefed up security measures also commonly used by law enforcement to track criminals, and hackers to falsify and clone sim cards.

The surveillance features of the card include: a digital image displayed of the card holder on the surface of the card and an "encrypted, machine-readable electronic record which shall include records of biometric identifiers unique to the individual to whom the card is issued, including a copy of any digitized facial image printed on the face of the card."

sss-card.jpgManufacturing of the card will be out-sourced to the Department of Homeland Security and utilize the facilities that create the B1/B2 Visa and the Permanent Resident Card.

At a recent Libertyville, Illinois Town Hall Meeting on Saturday March 1st, 2008, Congressman Kirk explained to a packed room of concerned residents that participation is optional. Gary Franchi, managing editor of Republic Magazine, a political publication that advocates constitutional rights and limited government, asked Kirk during the Q and A session when the "optional" card would become mandatory. Kirk responded that the bill had not left the house yet. Not quite the answer found when reading the text H.R. 5405.

The bill clearly states the new surveillance cards are to be issued to social security account holders upon reaching the age of 16.

Massive new biometric databases of every American will be created to assist in tracking and authenticating the new SSS card. The US Government has a tarnished record of managing databases. The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs lost a laptop and external hard drive to thieves jeopardizing the identities of 26.5 million veterans. The Metropolitan State College in Denver, the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and Los Angeles' Department of Social Services have each fallen victim to their databases being plundered. Foreign intelligence hackers, high tech terrorists, and identity thieves would have a one-stop-shop of every American in a Social Security database no longer just rich in numbers, but now biometric data.

When asked by Franchi about private firms controlling and tracking the databases Kirk pushed the responsibility of management to the Social Security Administration. However, as with Real ID, private companies like Viisage were contracted with to maintain the Real ID infrastructure. This will likely be the case with the Social Security Surveillance Card unless the bill is stopped. The bill is set to take effect two years from enactment, yet it is currently in the house, and has yet to be voted on.

A proponent, of the new SSS card, asked Kirk, “Can you share what information’s on there that’s freaking everybody out about a national ID card, what’s being stored on there that the Government doesn’t already know?”

He responded, “Just about everything the government already knows.”

Kirk with Korean President and First Lady at Chicago CFR luncheon.

Standard operating procedure is in effect here. Using fear tactics on uninformed senior citizens, and the usual excuse of national security in a post 9/11 world, another member of the DC boys club is attempting to slip a national ID card into the hands of a terrified populous. This is another attempt to ratchet down the American people into a coded world of control where being asked for “your papers” is as common as the next tasing video. However, Kirk and Roskam have failed to consider the ever increasing masses of freedom loving Americans who are dusting off their constitutions and putting the shackles back on our public servants.

Video bellow.

Full text of H.R. 5405 can be viewed here: VIEW BILL

Please contact your Congressman and instruct them to NOT support this bill.

Stop the Social Security Surveillance Act (HR 5405)

4/27/2008 02:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On edit: It's no longer early in the week, but it will be today.

Cogent. Every day is today. Even when you stiff us, Mr. Wells, you teach us something just a little bit profound about time and space.

4/27/2008 05:12:00 PM  
Blogger Emlon said...

Could there be a calculated, cross-country plot to kill young college men, including some in Minnesota? It seems a little hard to believe, but two New York detectives say they can prove it.

Now, they are revealing years of their evidence for the first time to 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS...


THE JENKINS FILE: Rarely-seen documents related to the Chris Jenkins murder case

Interactive Map of victims possibly linked by the investigation

Visual timeline of the Jenkins murder case in Minneapolis

Extended video clips of detectives discussing the case

Kristi Piehl and John Mason talk about how the case has developed

List of possible Minn. and Wisc. victims

Kristi Piehl: How the story came about

Listen to Kristi Piehl talk about the story on the KQRS Morning Show

University of Minnesota college student Chris Jenkins was found in the Mississippi River in February of 2003.

Minneapolis Police began investigating the case, which also caught the attention of two retired NYPD detectives.

Turns out, Jenkins' death was the missing part of the puzzle for Kevin Gannon and Anthony Duarte.

They think Jenkins connects dozens of other deaths around the country over the last decade. The stories are the same all over the country--an athletic, intelligent, well-liked college student goes missing.

Family and friends launch a massive search. Weeks or months later, the young man is discovered drowned. In more than 40 cases, the deaths are blamed on a drunken accident--except for one.

The death of Chris Jenkins in Minneapolis is the only one

"The level of evil we are dealing with here is rampant, it's deep and it's widespread," Chris' mother Jan Jenkins told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS
where the cause of death was changed from 'undetermined' or 'drowning' to 'homicide.'

"I can honestly tell you that I've walked every step of the way and it is hard for me to believe," Chris' mother Jan Jenkins told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS. "The level of evil we are dealing with here is rampant, it's deep and it's widespread."

Because of extensive investigation by Duarte and Gannon, Jan Jenkins now says she knows exactly what happened to her son on the night he disappeared, Oct. 31, 2002.

"Chris was abducted in a cargo van," she said. "He was driven around Minneapolis for hours and tortured. He was taken down to the Mississippi River and he was murdered. And after that, his body was positioned and taken to a different spot and then to a different point in the Mississippi River," she said.

Gannon and Duarte say they've discovered a link between Jenkins' death and the drownings of at least 40 other men in 25 cities in 11 different states.

It began in New York

The investigation started 11 years ago in New York when then-Sgt. Gannon made a promise to the parents of Patrick McNeill.

Patrick McNeill was last seen at a New York City bar in 1997. His body was found 50 days later, 11 miles downriver.

"We knew it wasn't suicide," said Patrick McNeil's mother Jackie McNeill
"We knew it wasn't suicide," said Patrick McNeill's mother Jackie McNeill. "It was one of those things where he walked out and was never seen again."

One of the only things comforting the McNeills is Gannon, a decorated officer with a long history in the New York City Police Department.

"I told them I would never give up on the case," Gannon told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS. When Gannon retired, he devoted his life to keeping his promise to the McNeill family.

"We've been doing this on our own, our own finances," Gannon explained. "We've never taken a penny from any of the families. I personally have mortgaged my own home to investigate this."

According to Gannon's ally, Duarte, this is almost 'a perfect crime' because the water washes away any physical evidence and there are never any witnesses. Almost all of the men are last seen by friends leaving a bar or college party.

"I think it is a serial killer, but not one individual," Anthony Duarte said
Local police have investigated the deaths and the FBI has even taken a look at the cases.

In every case except for the Jenkins case, local law enforcement has ruled the death an accident.

"I think it is a serial killer, but not one individual. I would just say, a group of individuals, probably located in more than one state," Duarte said, adding that he thinks they may kill again.

'Sick Signature'

Gannon and Duarte have done something that no other law enforcement agency has ever done in this case -- they looked at the big picture and visited each site where the young men disappeared.

While most local investigations focused on where a body was recovered, Gannon and Duarte tried to figure out where the body went into the river.

City after city, when they'd find the spot where the body went into the water, they would find something else: The symbol of a smiley face
City after city, when they'd find the spot where the body went in, they would find something else: The symbol of a smiley face.

"It's very disturbing," Duarte said.

The paint color and size of the face varies, but the detectives are convinced that it's a sick signature the killers leave behind.

They found one eight years ago in Wisconsin and then others in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana. Then most recently, they believe they've found one in Iowa.

In Michigan, they found something strange among the group's graffiti: the word 'Sinsiniwa.' They couldn't figure out what it meant until a few months later when they arrived in Dubuque, Iowa to investigate the death of Matt Kruziki.

His body was found on Sinsiniwa Avenue. Plus, they've discovered the nicknames of people in the group at more than one location.

Two years ago, already entrenched in their investigation, Gannon and Duarte came to Minnesota. They connected with St. Cloud State College Professor Lee Gilbertson.

Gilbertson had challenged his criminology students to search for patterns in the 11 disappearances of Minnesota and Wisconsin college students.

Why go public?

Gannon and Duarte are now confident they've discovered a nationwide criminal enterprise.

The detectives say they have to go public to 'protect the innocent and prosecute the guilty.'

"If nothing else, we have to warn the families and the young individuals so that no one else becomes a victim," Gannon said.

"If nothing else, we have to warn the families and the young individuals so that no one else becomes a victim," Kevin Gannon told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS
Duarte added, "Other kids are at risk, yes, it's very frustrating."

Gannon and Duarte want their investigation to prompt changes in the way drownings are investigated.

They say medical examiners frequently don't even consider murder when looking at the body of a drowning victim.

The detectives requested that 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS hold back some key details of the murders such as motive and the identities of the informants. They hope that information will someday be used to file criminal charges.

They have already taken all of this evidence in the Jenkins case to Minneapolis Police and Hennepin County prosecutors--so why haven't they taken action? We will ask them.

4/28/2008 12:24:00 AM  
Blogger Emlon said...


4/28/2008 01:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One, Emlon,this kind of reminds me of the book Muary Terry wrote,Ultimate Evil,that bunch never broke up they just spread out.In this great shithole called Merica we don't fucken care about somebodies dead kid.And god forbid we blame it on some secert bunch of ritual mind fuckers.Step away from the window,go back to sleep,pay no mind to the rabble.My best advice is to keep your knifes sharp and eat the rich they will probably taste better,later.

4/28/2008 06:52:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

well, it appears that people are somewhat awake..
If we were more than half awake would we then be half asleep?
creating Theta waves or Alpha waves?
I create Omega waves.
I couldn't agree more with what you wrote about Chi and charismatic people.
And long term physical relationships. Healthy ones...they change something inside us...alowing us to grow. Bringing real peace.
this whole New Age movement is being pumped up on juice by Oprah. It seeks to take fairly obvious aspects of reality, even truisms from pop psychology and turn them into some kind of movement...almost a religion of New Age-ism.
Hitler would've loved that, yeah?
Drew, like so many others has been bitten by the experience of something greater than himself and has decided to let this experience shape his worldview.
exclusively it seems..instead of acknowleging the Truth of it and moving forward...towards the truth.
But that would be like deciding that taking ecstasy, listening to trance-inducing music and dancing for 8 hours for days on end is a means to personal could even save the world!!!!
It's a delusion.
That's all it is.
That's all anything is.
All is illusion.
All is False.
which makes it the only thing that is True, to the deluded..
The world is Lies.
What lies beyond is Truth.

4/28/2008 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is no country for old men.

4/28/2008 08:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

illusion is as much truth, as truth is illusion

4/28/2008 08:31:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Thanks all for some of those compliments above.

And GGG, I have a response, though like Jeff I think it will be that indefinite "surely tomorrow!..." sort of thing.

Main rationale for posting:

The Wit of the Staircase: Revisited

And I wanted to pass on a major thing: Alex Constantine seems to have done everyone a favor by linking pretty well the Duncan and
Blake "suicidings" to murder motives since they were getting damn close to the Franklin Cover-up federal and Omaha level pedophilia, MKULTRA making, drug-muling elite once more.

It's where that story was leading before they were assuredly killed.

Constantine turns up a THIRD suspicious death as those who were tying up the loose ends wanted to remove all the witnesses.

The Cownie person that the "Wit of the Staircase" was investigating before said Wit turned up dead was actually PART of the federal investigation of the Franklin Cover-up in the first place, 20 years ago.

Other things at the link. It took about six hours for me to read it all.

And Constantine got an A+ on his research, because he was immediately sued to remove the Duncan/Blake information from the web. Strange world when research cross-checking and verification comes with a lawyer's email to threaten cease and desist. Come on, Jeff, document to your heart's content or it's sick or whatever! Don't you want to be sued for investigative reporting as a reward? Legal suits to censor are the Pulitzer Prize of the criminal state.

See who just sued him and who he was as well.

So download the page and save it, even though the legal case has no standing at all as Constantine explains. He's certainly a cousin of Eddie Constantine, a relative who patrolled a modern day Alphaville via a cyberworld of links and came up with the goods on our current pedo-technocratic dictatorship. (The opening thread deals with him exploring the 'data mining' theme among the Mockingbird press that spun the story of the "suicides" so well, and that soon gets into the pedophilia linked areas itself.)

It's a rather predictable theme: "round up the usual suspects" though rarely do you see so many in play all at once. Something novel to me was some background on some international legal firms that I wasn't aware of before as typical suspects for generations. Just watch these bagmen move around and you will see the fish below the ice sometimes. So, sorry Duncan and Blake this is all we got for you, another story of

priests and cannibals, prehistoric animals
everbody happy as the dead come home
big black nemesis
popular biogenesis
no one moves a muscle as the Wit of the Staircase comes home.

What was special for me was the
background into the main lawfirms organizing it all. If you want to connect the dots to the 'white shoe firms' and their families just follow more about the Whitneys and the Allens (which he doesn't--though Whitney and Allen--both biggie Bones families by the way and likely lots worse...).

Learn the players, collect the cards, predict the next house of cards to be erected.

The usual suspects will be behind it.

Like a bad movie sequel it feels like recycled, older, and increasingly less believable acting. Though these movie sequels and their aging stars keep rolling in more money than ever each time they do it. It starts to look like self-satire when they commit the same crimes over and over and keep getting away with it.

Perhaps Jeff is tired of writing the 50th movie sequel so to speak of a story that always ends the same: where he already knows the final scene in any of his blog posts is required by contract to be "though the criminals escape yet again, stay tuned" ad nauseum. I can't blame him for that nausea at the topic over the past several years.

As IC is likely to chime in and say, though do we require any more sequels once you understand the main theme that we have to change everything.

appropriate word verification:

'bs gw u og(re)'

4/28/2008 11:00:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

I can't believe still that Tolle actually poted on rigint.
that's rich.
I still have to wonder if it wasn't a joke.
I'm kindof slow sometimes.
Or am i just "not ready" to realize my life's potential for the New Earth to be born...?
what a doosh.


I am tempted to buy your book now, you know..

"Increasingly, as the vision for the bioregioanl state became clearer, it appeared as a wholesale overhaul of existing democratic theory justifications as well as formal institutional design principles to demote corruptions in practice that were left unaddressed 250 years ago when the European Enlightenment began to concern itself with formalized institutions of democracy as a replacement for royal states."

well, yeah, I KNOW that...
but you say it so nicely.

I missed your 4:20 deadline to post on your blog though..
ah well..
keep up the good work.

4/28/2008 01:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This place was always a joke. It just took time for it to become obvious that this has been deliberate. Read between the lines, and this guy Jeff Wells is nothing better than a con artist working for the establishment.

Ask Wells why he was banned from the Democratic Underground.

4/28/2008 05:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The thing that put him on the map? Was it that hitchhiker's guide to 9/11 coincidences?

I finally saw that. Am I missing something? It wasn't even a book or nothing. Can anyone link to an actual bnook review or newspaper article on this guy?

So where can one find minstrel boy's explanation for getting banned at Democratic Underground?

4/28/2008 05:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

here comes a spamfest to try to push these comments to the back. Or maybe they will be deleted. Does anyone even read here?

this guy is bad news.

4/28/2008 05:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually I was catching up with a former coworker who is into conspiracy research. We started with my latest exposes at his former workplace and then quickly started talking about Jim Marrs, Icke, Mike Ruppert and then libel laws in Britain.

He said he had printed out my blogbook but it was just taking too long although he found it fascinating.

Anyway I decided to show him the activation of my pineal gland. I uncovered my neck, unbuttoning my jacket, and focused my brain, causing my adam's apple to pulsate.

He blurted: What are you doing?

I asked him if he had knew what permaculture was. He said he did. I explained about the vagus nerve transducing both serotonin and the anerobic bacteria to recycle the energy. I explained how the modern, Western mind is stuck in the left-brain and cut off from the healthy recycling of the body's energy, just as modern farming does not recycle energy.

I explained that I was promoting this "harmonics" to counter-act the inevitable vagus nerve microchipping now promoted by the Corporate-Military Establishment.

He took down my email address as he's changing offices but he said he was glad that I had continued my conspiracy research to a new level.

4/28/2008 06:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All Christians are Dogshit.
Some Christians are Black.
Therefore, Black Christians are Dogshit.

There is nothing racist about the logic above.

4/28/2008 07:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous dogshit boy:

Jeff made known what had happened at DU at the time it happened.

Also, its fair to say I don't ever remember a comment being deleted for being critical, so I'll be amazed if yours are.

Thanks for your heads up though. On the basis that you say he's bad news I suppose I had best stop reading here.

Considering your take on things maybe you would be more entertained elsewhere ?

4/28/2008 08:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dogshit Boy has been punished for what he wrote. He was sent to bed without dinner and has had his computer access revoked.

I'd just like to say, though, that it doesn't matter what happened at DU with Minstrel Boy, aka Jeff Wells. There is no indication at this site that he is a racist. In fact, quite the contrary.

Why would you dissuade people from reading Mark, GGG, Fletcher. Sounder and Lord Reptor? Oh well, I have to go, it's time for Dogshit Boy's breastfeeding.

4/28/2008 09:00:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

GGG, your concepts on how and why we need to learn to recycle our energy are cogent to our current condition. Still you come off as a social retard with little respect or consideration for the thoughts of others.

We have options yet one cannot choose an option that is not seen. Object oriented Dualism of both religious and secular variations make for many unseen options. Humans seem largely to exist in a pre-conscious state with rote responses, indicative of an undeveloped consciousness. But this is good; we have then, much room to grow.

wv (nfumb)

4/29/2008 07:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But this is good; we have then, much room to grow.

No, it's not "good," numb nuts. Even if "we" may have room to grow, "we" don't have that kind of time, and Drew is no more a social retard than you, as much as I hate to use that contradictory terminology. You claim that "our" forms of interaction and communication are inadequate, on the one hand, than chastise someone for being inadequate in interacting and communicating with these inferior forms. Considering that, Drew should look at your slight as a compliment, rather than an insult. What I like most about Drew is his ability to proceed as though you don't exist, which, of course, you don't.

4/29/2008 07:38:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

If you chose to interact rather than pushing away from interaction by being rude we might make something of your observation that;

"You claim that "our" forms of interaction and communication are inadequate, on the one hand, than chastise someone for being inadequate in interacting and communicating with these inferior forms."

But, I am gone to work.

4/29/2008 08:08:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

What's up with the annoymous posters always being fucktards?
is it that we are just getting cranky
without one of Mr. Wells' stimulating posts to pour over, interact with and digest?

No, not me...
I love reading Drew beat me over the head with the dead horse of his dualistic box and his Vagus nerve.
(sorry make an easy target for my cranky ass)
But seriously...
why all the activation of your glands at work?
do your coworkers not think you are a total nutjob?
That kind of thing can get you fired...or can it?
I mean, it seems completely fine for you to shoot energy blasts at females and male dogs and stuff but just try talking about, oh I don't know...Jesus at work and see what happens.
Hell, try it here!
People get pissed.
most people.
Some places you pray before a big sales's a weird country.
And Jeramiah Right....I kind of really like him now that I have actually watched him on youtube. He made me laugh. And I can't really disagree with what he says, though it's a false paradigm he talks of, speaking about 9/11, when he says "you reap what you sow" in this case, because of course, it was all take that for what it's worth. He has added fuel to the simplistic paradigm that 9/11 was really the result of Middle Easterners with boxcutters. Well..simplistic or insidious?
But now he has to defend his congregation from death threats and Obama is ostrasized for his connection with the bombastic Reverend Right as Grampa Happypants McCain gets a free ride with his John Hagee connection (which he still supports.."just not his anti-anything" statements)
It's such a sickeningly obvious puppet show. The script of divide and conquer by the PTB is enough to make my vagus nerve start pulsating with toxins. My Pineal gland wants to jump the ship.

4/29/2008 08:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is you, Sounder, who chooses not to interact. You pontificate, or presumptuously instruct, but you don't interact, and you have not addressed the first point about having the requisite time to grow according to your sacred guidelines. In case you haven't noticed, many who post to this site, and many who read and lurk here, collectively feel a sense of urgency considering the perceived trajectory of our fate. Your posturings about "room to grow" are nonsensical and absurd considering the alarmist content of this blog. You're misplaced, and the sad thing is, you don't have the wherewithall to realize that. If you were humble and less antagonistic, I could overlook your idiotic and misplaced intrusions, but your false arrogance, and complete lack of context, prompt me to slap your face time and time again.

4/29/2008 08:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You somehow think you're not anonymous, Fletch? Surely you jest, right? When I go to your blog, I don't see anything that identifies who you are IRL, so you're just as anonymous as anyone else here. If you truly want to discuss ideas here, then don't be too overly concerned with who's behind the mask. Focus on what is said, not who said it. How's that for growth?

4/29/2008 08:36:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

false arrogance?
well, I guess any arrogance would pale in comparison to your real arrogance.
sorry..I couldn't resist.
The alarmist content on this blog needs to be more alarmist in my humbly arrogant opinion.

4/29/2008 08:39:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

at least you can connect my name with the constant stream of idiocy that floweth forth from my fingers...
the annonymous here could be anyone, playing sneaky little games with your mind.
and really, is it that identity (as tenuous as a name is) is so frightening to you?
and obviously I'm too paranoid to put my picture and home adress on my blog. C'mon, seriously.

4/29/2008 08:43:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

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4/29/2008 08:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robotic jellyfish...

Actually kind of cool.

4/29/2008 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

that robotic jellyfish was cool as hell.

4/29/2008 01:31:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

fletch said:

"I missed your 4:20 deadline to post on your blog though.."


4/29/2008 01:54:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...
mark..maybe i read that wrong?

4/29/2008 01:59:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

hahahahaah! How funny. Welcome to Ewha.

Post on the biostate blog instead. No cover charge there. ^^

Or get your vicarious thrills with some pics of Korea.

4/29/2008 02:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK I'll give another example. This dude in my neighborhood asked me to stop by his workplace as no one's there near closing. He was chatting with a couple other dudes. He told me they were into conspiracy stuff . When they returned and I had finished shopping in the store (buying a "physics for applied biology" book) I was then introduced to "Zen," one of the dudes still there who had been ranting about his life up till then: fights with druggies, exploitation by a slumlord illegally renting him a music space for living, bad musicians turning into narcs, etc.

So he sees what book I'm buying and I declare: See I like to read science but like fiction. He then declares that Al Gore also likes to read fiction but like science. So I tell him my story of confronting Al Gore for half hour in the basement of the VFW in 2000, telling Gore and his dozen secret service agents that:

"Every one knows the CIA controls the drug trade."

We continue on about the latest research on global warming -- sun spot stopping, harkening an ice age or the new Russian study on the inherent feedback limit to global warming or the inherent chaos of global warming and how no one can really know what to do.

I point out that the "Great Cycle" was known long before western science. Zen admits it was known back in the Bronze Age. I state that there's no reason humans need to rely on the Solar Calendar which defines time as "divide and average" geometry -- that time could be defined as something we listen to instead, based on the Lunar calendar [just like hidden ovulation].

He's gotta catch a bus to St. Paul -- so for the grand finale I say here, check this out:

I flex my pineal gland and my adam's apple starts pulsating. He says: What's that -- do you have some jaw problem, because I get that also.

I explain that I'm doing this with my pineal gland and that I'm pulling up the serotonin in my stomach through my vagus nerve. I explain how I learned this from a Chinese qigong master who spent a month in a cave in full-lotus with no food, no water and no sleep. I said that this Chinese qigong master now works with the Mayo Clinic healing people of late-term cancer. I say that the qigong master shoots lasers out of his pineal gland and that he can see inside your body and when he does so it feels like this blissful heat.

Zen tells me that his girlfriend says she can see light. I say yes, but you can't hallucinate the full-lotus -- either you can sit in it or not. He said that indeed he had experimented with such things as where he lives there is a carbon monoxide leak and his poverty forces him to rely on altered states of consciousness.

And so it came to pass.

4/29/2008 03:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey fletch, i think you forgot to delete a post above. you're well below your quota for the day.

4/29/2008 04:11:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Shrub, you are welcome to flail forth with your pansy slaps all you like.

Fletcher, shrub has driven most rational posters away from this board. This makes him easy to identify, or at least this internet persona. As he is obsessive and not likely to stop, (sorry shrub for talking about you in the third person), one can only hope that obsessions might lead to some epiphanies.

People have been talking about the imminent destruction of all life since the time of Christ. Shrub, the degree to which you are disturbed by something is not a proper measure for how 'aware' you are regarding that thing. That is to say, I choose to not be driven crazy by what I consider to be a world of insecure posers that do not think straight because they are so busy putting their faults on others.

Good Day

4/29/2008 06:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4/29/2008 07:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come now, Chlamor and Jeff. I'm as much a Charlatan as Tim LaHaye and that ilk. I tell the people what they want to hear as I reach into their pockets for a donation. Don't be so naive. It's a tough world out there, and we all have to make a living as best we know how, and this is what I do best.

4/29/2008 09:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Man, this is certainly one strange blog. And the follow-on commentary is even stranger, by far.

I'm reminded of the old Firesign Theater chestnut:

"Everything you know is wrong."

Caveat emptor.

4/30/2008 12:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,Phil you hit it smack on the head,"everything you know is wrong".This ritual mind fuck that we are stuck in,is made up that way,the PSY-OP is in place,white,gray and black propaganda are now controled by the elite"Dark Secret Ones".As long as the poor brain dead fucks in this world don't snap out of this entrainment mode,the program will procced as planned.It won't be long before people will be caught in a lucid dreamstate,unable to tell if they are awake or just dreaming,be it real or vividly imagined,Edward Said and his book Orientalism,discribe such a paradigm.Oh,by the way Jeff,just give us a sign your ok if you still can,anything will do,maybe just a smily face would do,later.

4/30/2008 06:50:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

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4/30/2008 08:04:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

there you go! I deleted one for you!!
Perhaps the message board is a better place for personal attacks.
Oh wait, Jeff moderates those.
and how about the fact that the message boards are a tight knit niche that barely resembles the comments section of the main page...
like maybe all the rational people, Sounder, moved there. Sick of all the amaturish ramblings and infighting of the comments section.
like a frantic evacuation towards a more subtle, insidious trap.
I admit it, I'm addicted to this website.
I have been reading it for several years, eagerly waiting for Jeff's new post on a weekly basis, like some pathetic crackhead waiting for my fix...
Perhaps spending some time reminiscing over some older posts is well overdue...
god I'm ridiculous.
I just came up with the title of the new post on my blog!
... "ridiculous intuition"

4/30/2008 08:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sword of the Spirit

"But the fearful [Gk: timid], and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Rev. 21:8).

Does anyone in their right mind believe that murderers and timid people should be sentenced to the same "eternity of punishment?" Why even most heathen governments match the punishment to fit the nature and degree of a crime. But most Christian theology does not have even the good sense of some pagans.

4/30/2008 09:34:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

God's judgments and the knowledge of His plan and purpose for humanity has reached precious few in the past, but it is prophesied to cover the earth:

"They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea" (Isa. 11:9).


"For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea" (Habakkuk 2:14).

4/30/2008 09:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you're a fuckin douchebag, fletch. why are you here? seriously, why are you here? here is not the place to preach and pontificate. here should be a place where one can think critically, or uncritically, out loud, without numb nuts like yourself and sounder telling people how they should behave and how they should think.

now is not the time for rationalism. appeals to rationalism are despicable attempts by acquiescent apologists, like sounder, for imperialistic capitalism and empire.

4/30/2008 10:15:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

and time just slipped away from us after the London Bombings...
Jeff wrote
"Notice the white "Kingstar" van parallel-parked opposite the site of the blast? (The van is facing the opposite direction of the bus; the front of the bus had just passed.) Any guess what business is Kingstar's? Would you believe, "Controlled areas where minimal disruption and minimal noise requirements are paramount"?
Time seems to be the Enemy of Truth.
I can connect it to so many things, like a grand game of "pass it on" where after enough people pass the message on it's so distorted it bears no resemblance to the original truth...
it remeinds me of the Hillary Clinton's remarks about landing in a hot LZ under sniper fire (that never happened) and it's supposedly like she "forgot" or some such BS. Perhaps it was false memory induction? Clinton as a CIA controlled asset? I think no. But honestly, how could anyone be expected to believe that it was just a slip up?
I would suggest that it was a deliberate
move on her part to instil the idea that she was under fire. Which, after enough time has passed, is how people will remember it, not the fact that she totally lied about it.
And Obama and his denouncing Rev. Wright...
The left gatekeepers have been all over this gleefully talking it up as if really mattered to anyone except complete idiots. Like me.

Just like 9/11 and how no one talks about it anymore.
So many people actually think that Iraq and Saddam had something to do with it. Especially children.
The future, it is slipping away.

4/30/2008 10:26:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

if you could read (which obviously you can't) I said that I was addicted like a dirty crackhead to rigint.
that's why I'm here.
Oh and I'm here on a deeper level, because God created the world and I am a fractal result of that initial creation, as are you.
sorry about your luck.

4/30/2008 10:31:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

"appeals to rationalism are despicable attempts by acquiescent apologists, like sounder, for imperialistic capitalism and empire."
whatever dude.
that doesn't even make sense.
you're just pissed because we outed you as the great Shrubageddon, you filthy coward, you.

4/30/2008 10:40:00 AM  
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4/30/2008 01:00:00 PM  
Blogger Peter Greene said...

(Blearily) With regard to all the shadow-boxing, flame-warring, and gland-dandling above, I say : Whuh?

With respect to some of the rest, which I vaguely remember reading a few minutes ago :

Permaculture - great idea. But nothing is permanent. Maybe there will be a museum to us when the machines have turned the planet into a shining silver garden of thinking matter. In the meantime, flee the cities. All arable land within them will be controlled by criminal elements after transport costs rise another couple hundred percent or three.

And to the guy with all the blood-slurping priests and stuff...whew, man. Are you like, dead sure on your sources there, or are you just having a good old-fashioned freak-down? The speed is easy to quit, man. Just flush it down the toilet and quit drinking the drugged, turgid slop foaming from your household taps.

Of course, the available alternative fluids are all drugged too. But a mix-and-match of commercially available liquids can yield great results. Just wait till you try whiskey, transmission oil, and detergent. What a damn rush. That'll keep those Cohen guys at bay for a week or more.

Good Lord (heh, that's me), I'm rambling pointlessly. The lingering results of a classic lost weekend. Two very old and dear friends (man, one of us has full-on white hair now, it's just too damn weird - cool-looking as hell, but weird), an enormous amount of beer, an electric-assisted billycan stove, inukshuks at the quarry and incoherent, drunken gardening...

this is actually definitely a country for old men out here, come to think of it.

Not afraid of some guy with a portable cow-killer (seriously, how hard do you think it would be to evade an idiot armed with that?),
Lord Reptor.

4/30/2008 01:28:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

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4/30/2008 03:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why did you remove the post, you sword-swallowing, cum-covered sack of shit? it was actually quite decent for a pearl-necklaced cock gobbler such as yourself. now i know why sounder cums here. it's because you give such good head.

whoever, or whatever your god is, it sure made a mess when it created this, amd more specifically, when it created you. this god of yours created you by shitting you out into a stench filled pot used to collect his other created defecations through the millenia. you're nothing but a rotting and grotesque putrefaction that can't even be used as fertilizer. even the bacteria and viruses leave you alone as you wallow in your cesspool like the detritus you are.

4/30/2008 03:34:00 PM  
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4/30/2008 11:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Troy Williams: You begin your work in 415 A.D, with the murder of a Pagan noblewoman outside of the Great Library at Alexandria. Who was Hypathia?

John Lamb Lash: Hypathia was the daughter of the head of the school of mathematics at the famous Alexandrian Library. She was a teacher, a scientist, a mystic and a writer. Hypathia was driving home in her chariot when she was confronted by a Christian mob and murdered in the street. Many historians believe that the murder of Hypathia represents the death and the end of the classical world and the entrance of Europe into the dark ages. Hypathia embodied the Pagan intellectual class of Europe in pre-Christian times. They were teachers, mystics, writers, artists, and poets. Everything that they represented was symbolically destroyed by her death.

TW: What were the Christians so threatened by?

JLL: It took three or four centuries for the ideology, belief and practices of the new religion to be defined. The belief system in a savior, the belief that an off-planet father will stand over the judgment of the world. All of that was formulated over 400 years. The people who were formulating Christianity did not enter into a friendly dialogue with the religions that existed in the ancient world. Rather than come to them in a spirit of generosity, they came to the Pagans with a spirit of hostility. Christianity rose to power primarily through events of violence, imposition, coercion and the destruction of any competition.

TW: Break down what you call the Redeemer Complex. Take us through that.

JLL: The first element is the belief in a father god, (not a mother), who alone creates the world. That father god is an off-planet deity. He is not in the creation -- the creation is his handiwork. The second element is a chosen people who reflect the awareness of the father god. Third, the messiah is sent by the father god to guide, drive or compel the chosen people to fulfill their destiny. The fourth point is the day of retribution. There is a day of judgment and universal damnation for those who have not followed the divine plan. This whole package I call the “Palestinian Redeemer-Complex”. It was formulated over many centuries in the Jewish religion and then it was passed over into Christian ideology and survives today.

TW: We see the genocide of the pagans, the destruction of the Mysteries, the crusades, the inquisition, the conquering of the New World – all justified by the cross.

LJJ: That may sound like a sweeping generalization. I’m not arguing that we can place all of human violence on Christian ideology. I’m arguing for something more subtle. Humans are capable of violence and oppression. When that tendency becomes legitimated by a grand religious belief system, then the violence takes on a super-human dimension – it becomes totally out of scale. And that is the kind of violence we have seen associated with the Christian religion for 2000 years now.

TW: And it provides a cover and justification for dominators and abusers to maim and kill. Take us through what you call the Victim-Perpetrator Syndrome.

JLL: For some 50 years in American psychology we have developed the idea of the abuse bonding, or what I call the “victim-perpetrator syndrome”. If there is an abuser and there are people who are abused, there will be a bond formed between them. And some of the abused will then become abusers in turn. And even the abused people in the system who do not become abusers will remain faithful and loyal to those who abused them. We see it in dysfunctional families where children who are beaten to an atrocious degree will stand up and defend their parents. So I looked at the victim-perpetrator syndrome to analyze history and found that the ideology of Christian salvation is a concept that is really pathological and serves as a cover for the victim-perpetrator game to continue.

TW: If perpetrators of abuse are more often than not abused themselves –what abuse was inflicted upon the Europeans prior to the 1st Century that produced for them this drive for domination through violence?

JLL: Go back and read the Old Testament. Read how Jehovah treats his chosen children.

TW: He’s always threatening to wipe them out!

JLL: He punishes them, and then he promises to reward them more highly than any other nations. But at the same time that’s only a lure to pull them deeper into the bonding. The next thing you know they’re being punished again and told they’re not good enough. If you read the Old Testament with this victim-perpetrator syndrome as a key it’s a pretty eye-opening experience. The second historical example is when the Europeans discovered America. They systematically perpetrated genocide on the Native Americans. Why did they do that when they could have acted otherwise and made alliances with those people? My answer is that the Europeans who came to the Americas in the 15th century had already had genocide and violence enacted on them through the imposition of Christianity. They were the abused who turned into the abusers.

TW: Let’s talk about Jesus. He is considered the very best human to ever walk the earth. You are arguing that’s not the case.

JLL: I do not easily take a swipe at Jesus. I understand that a great many people locate their human dignity in the figure of Jesus. But on the other hand as an historian and as a person in search for the truth of the human condition, I have had to dig deeply into this Jesus persona. And I cannot agree with the claim that sometime in the first century there was a wonderful man who had beautiful things to say and somehow that all got corrupted. If you look at the historical records of the time, the evidence strongly suggests that there never was an original pure and beautiful message of Jesus. It’s something that we would have liked to be so. We have such an expectation projected on Jesus. He is the figure in which we invest our human dignity. The question I raise in my book is are we investing that in the wrong place?

TW: You write that Jesus’ teachings: “Resist not evil”, “turn the other cheek”, “love your enemies”, “do good to those that hate you”, actually allows this victim-perpetrator bond to continue.

JLL: To me it’s self-evident. “Love your enemy” and “turn the other cheek”. Take a few steps and look at that ethic. There are two things wrong with this. This ethic favors the perpetrator. It’s a way of giving liaises fair to the perpetrators by accepting abuse. The second point, it’s very imbalanced because it’s a message given to the people who have been subjected to violence. If the message of Jesus is so universal and profound, why isn’t he saying something to the perpetrators as well? The only thing his ethic does for the victims is giving them the sense of a high moral ground.

TW: Which keeps the bond intact. I attended an Earthdance downtown as a group of people gathered to pray for world-peace. Two prayers struck me in particular. A member of the North West band of Shoshone stood up sang and spoke of a prophecy of our pending destruction – and then invoked, “Jesus our Savior” and the need for deliverance. After he spoke an African Christian minister gave a prayer and invoked Jesus again, praying for world peace. I was awe-struck. Here were two men, representing two cultures that have been utterly devastated by Christianity, and they are both invoking the deity of their oppressors to rescue them from the very oppression that the deity created in the first place!

JLL: It’s a staggering insight. You couldn’t ask for a more clear illustration of the victim-perpetrator bond than that. I’m sure they were totally sincere in their beliefs, but I would call them seriously deluded. Here they are pleading to this symbolic head of a belief system that has actually caused great destruction to the very cultures that they come from – Africa and the Native American culture. What they are doing essentially is pleading with their perpetrators in a sense saying, we want to reconcile with you. But reconciliation only favors the perpetrator – and the game goes on.

5/01/2008 12:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks nobodaddy

That was the only meaningful comment I've seen in a while.

5/01/2008 01:45:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

It wasn't a 'meaningful comment.' That interview excerpt is sadly lacking.

That's the Fox news style of interviewing, inviting someone you agree with and then enthusing about their brilliance. Though I don't think that was brilliant. I think it's misleading as well. Just a few points:

"After he spoke an African Christian minister gave a prayer and invoked Jesus again, praying for world peace. I was awe-struck. Here were two men, representing two cultures that have been utterly devastated by Christianity..."

Well, I don't see how one person living in the 21st century is suddenly catapulted back to stand trial or stand as a symbol of his argument.

On the contrary, it was the Roman Empire that did this devastation--both ideologically and materially--and Christianity just came out of that devastation as a predictable product and worldview.

Would have been better to mention that, instead of cherrypicking causality interpretation to lump on what was a later effect (called Christianity) as some 'first cause.' Don't Romanticize the Romans (no pun intended though that is kind of funny if I do say so myself.).

How can they leave out the Crisis of the Third Century and a 'very rational' effect of many groups getting fed up with the whole Roman 'ideal' by then? Just a corporate state of rich families in the Senate tax farming everyone, in a virtual police state under the Emperor (with a huge spy network and equivalent of the 'KGB' or 'SS' or 'CIA' etc working for the Emperor routing out people everywhere); large latifundia, forced labor, poverty, expanding diseases, endless militarism and instability. That was glory of Rome? Don't Romanticize a 'failed state', the Roman Empire.

This leads into very understandable, rational, religious anti-systemic movements.

Not to covet the whole theocracy thing that resulted soon after, you know, though once the pagan Roman elites became an effect rich overlord class, it encouraged a massively impoverished group of mystical cult believers (non-exclusive to Christianity). The pressures and dynamics of that kind of relationship were already a foredrawn conclusion.

Second, thus not just Christianity either can be singled out to blame. There were a host of other mystical escapist philosophies and identities (though admitting that can't mesh well with a 2 minutes of hate aim of that 'interview' to single out Christianity. Just a short list of the 'sister mystical' cults in opposition to Roman identity frameworks shows how swamped the era was:

Mithraism, Egyptian mystery cult expansion, Egyptian Isis worship spreading throughout the Mediterranean, official Roman Empire Caesar deification worship, Sol Invictus, various forms of Greek philosophic schools being popularized (some of them quite dissociative, as expected, like Stoicism favored even by some Roman Emperors like Marcus Aurelius), seasonal, localized agricultural dying/rising gods taking on more abstract and sharable ideas between different areas, Jewish social revolutionary and religious terrorism movements (like the Essenes) against the Roman Empire, Gentile-inspired versions of the Essenic views (Essenic Judaism wedded to peasant agricultural 'rising and dying god' cults), Egyptian Therapeutae communities in the desert, Egyptian Christian monastic communities, Egyptian Christian ascetic hermits, Osirus-Dionysus worship, the Eutherian mysteries and several other mystery schools of ‘graded prohibitional induction’ with ritual levels for initiates (the Eleusinian Mysteries, the Orphic Mysteries, the Mithraic Mysteries), some singular divinities adopted by Romans took on mystery religion ritual forms and came to be worshipped in mysteries as well [like the Egyptian Isis, the Thracian/Phrygian Sabazius, and the Phrygian Cybele], the Jewish Gnostics (Cabalalists), Christian Gentile Gnosticism, worship of the Egyptian hermetic ideals of ‘Hermes Trimagestus’ (Egyptian empirical research hermeticism leading into the Sabians), etc.

I am quite convinced that some level of graded induction secret society is how 'Christianity' started out as well from some of the books I have read. Not to mention the age-old Egyptian origins of Christianity argument that fits well with that mystery religion view of the ideas. ["Christianity: An Ancient Egyptian Religion"; and some of the information in "Swords at Sunset" (about the Templars) about it]

Third, Constantine erected State Christianity, true, though he only gave it judicial power (trial power under what he thought would remain his authorized laws) in an attempt to perpetuate the Roman Empire at his novel capital with Christians appealed to as loyal state bureaucrats and administrators of Constantine's law. (Actually Constantine and that other consul co-announced it, it wasn't merely Constantine's imprimateur, and other military people had attempted to appeal to Christians before as 'their base' of followers and legitimators--Constantine was just the most successful one. He didn't give them religious monopoly either, theocrats just took it later and fitted it into their court powers--not a development that the emperors expected or wanted to have--to see Old Rome go 'Christian religious' on them, mixing the novel religious settlement with the long term geopolitical grudge of Old Rome's dislike of New Rome. When the Christian church relied on the diocese Roman administrative frameworks and visa versa, it's hard to entertain (like the interview claims) it is possible to single out "Christian" versus "Roman state" by then. They were one in the same. Even his example of the 'slaughter of Hypatia' fits that murky state-backed form of terror very well I think.

Same people as well: the old Roman 'pagan' families still in power in Rome then--they just went into the Roman Church. That's where the red 'church' robes came from, and such --Senatorial sumptuous culture. [book: Saints and Sinners]

Attempting to keep it rigorous...and somewhat more entertaining than an agreement fest.

5/01/2008 01:50:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Oh wait, I thought that talking about religion has no place here...
So shrub, you creepy creepy pervert, maybe you might want to re-think that.
I'll pray for you.
"So I looked at the victim-perpetrator syndrome to analyze history and found that the ideology of Christian salvation is a concept that is really pathological and serves as a cover for the victim-perpetrator game to continue"
how convenient. It's tempting to see it that way and certainly the historical record shows how something as powerful as "God's Word" could be twisted and used by men in Power. Obviously. But to then invalidate the source of that based on the resultant perversion is false logic.
People do it all the time. They say, "Christianity has caused so much trouble in the world!!! Don't tell me what to believe you bible thumper!" But this is a short cut to thinking.
Jesus overturned the tables in the Temple, actually whipped the pharisees selling doves for sacrifice, he raged against the machine and was the Deus ex Machina at the same time. The concept of an "offworld deity" is also wrong since God walked with man at the creation and "is in all things" so that's an erroneous concept that's unbiblical completely.
God's behavior in the Old Testament sure seems harsh. I agree. But the next hundred years might make that look like Chucky Cheeses. I dunno. I've always kind of wondered at that myself. The God of Judgement and fury contrasted with the Love of Jesus. Maybe God isn't perfect. That would be blasphemy though, right?
Mark, good analysis of the post, romanticising the Romans aside.

5/01/2008 08:09:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Shrub, does smoke come out of your ears when you sit in full lotus?
And where do you derive the authority to say that others do not 'belong' here? Anyway your spittle is getting all over and it is really impolite.

This is from:
via JD on the board.

“Synchromysticism doesn't necessarily rule out the possibility of manipulations by secret societies or criminal elites, but it offers a glimmer of hope because it implies that even conspirators themselves might not have complete understanding of, and control over, situations or their outcomes. It can be beautiful and comforting to realize the universe might be conscious, as opposed to a lifeless mechanistic construct, at a time when the reductive materialist paradigm seems to be leading us into a dead end.”

My take; the sub-conscious mind registers all kinds of impressions. A small part of these impressions can be integrated into our conscious models. Of course, all of us being the ignorant nits that we are, we proceed to consider that only the consciously integrated elements have any reality to them. This leaves copious material that recedes to the collective unconscious, later revealing itself as shadow expressions, doing its best to reveal truth to a somnambulant community.

“A more common critique of synchromysticism is that anyone can connect anything to anything, making it meaningless. From a synchromystic point of view, this could be a supporting argument, because they view synchronicities as being ever-present and able to be seen by anyone, not just experts. Synchromysticism can be viewed as a new art form that encourages creation of meaning and associations with the entirety of one's reality. In a sense, it's no surprise that synchromysticism has links to conspiracy theory, psychedelics and occult traditions because all three are methods to deprogram oneself from cultural conditioning, a means to connect a diverse range of information and ideas, as well as a way to see the world from a more open perspective. It's an alchemical technique to create meaning out of the chaos of current events and seemingly vapid commercial detritus that bombards us on a daily basis, and to add new layers of meaning to more enduring and celebrated works of art.

Whether one believes in the occult aspect of synchromysticism or not, it's a fascinating new field from a psychological, philosophical, aesthetic, anthropological, and/or quantum point of view. Synchromysticism reinforces the interconnectivity of everyone and everything, and empowers us to reinterpret social reality to in a sense "decode" the universe and ourselves. Using synchromysticism as a new language or tool can help us forecast and respond to trends developing in the collective unconscious, noosphere, morphogenetic field etc. – to reclaim culture and steer it in a more positive direction or, at the very least, provide a fun and interesting new application for mass media. We can't create a better world if we can't control the way we perceive the world, or stretch our imagination to envision something better. New art forms such as Kotze's, which are independent, democratized, relevant and visionary, can effect change by enabling us to co-create new maps of reality, an essential precursor to conscious evolution.”

5/01/2008 08:12:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Great stuff Sounder, thanks. Goodmorning. "Does smoke come out of your ears when you sit in full lotus, shrub?" that killed me.
Synchromystisism...reminds me of The Mentats fron Dune, the living computers...
or the Guild Navigators..
or the last time I went to the Detroit Electronic Music Festival..
to adress the previous thread about God and shit..
David suffered all the days of his life. Paul suffered like no man who has ever lived (II Cor 11:22-28). Jesus personally said how severely Paul would have to SUFFER (Acts 9:16). Jesus Christ SUFFERED (Mat. 16:21). And it "PLEASED GOD TO BRUISE HIM" in that suffering of death on the cross!! It is through MUCH trials and tribulation [suffering] that we enter the Kingdom of God (Acts 14:23).

And even more, Peter tells us that for the very PURPOSE OF SUFFERING we were called! "For for this were you called, seeing that Christ also SUFFERED for your sakes, leaving you an example [or copy], that YOU SHOULD BE FOLLOWING UP IN THE FOOTPRINTS of Him..."

Yeah seems pretty twisted. Don't go all Emo on yourself and start cutting though.
Like the Flagellists..
The world is full of suffering.
when we die it ends.

5/01/2008 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

look, an agreement fest, just when mark warned against one. it's alright when it's your agreement fest, though, i suppose.

you bible thumpers are some sick motherfuckers. you're the creepy, creepy perverts.

fletch sucking sounder's cock once again, and sounder spewing his spermless jizz all over fletch. your god must be so proud.

5/01/2008 09:28:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

agreement is pretty creepy isn't it?
waaaayyyy creepier than all of your sick fantasies that are such obvious projections of your repressed homosexuality.
seriously, can't there be something done about this D-bag?
I mean I suppose Jeff could disable anonymous posting, but whatever, a minor irritation, but irritating nonetheless.
Shrub, why not actually make a point once in a while instead of the personal homo-erotic fatasy "attacks" you seem to enjoy making? ew.

5/01/2008 09:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmm, Mr. Bible Thumper is a homophobe, as well. Not surprising.

5/01/2008 09:47:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

If youy are referring to me as a homophobe simply because I can see that you are projecting your gay fantasies onto this message board you are mistaken.
I am just calling it as it is. I never attached any moral judgement to homosexuality, which of course there is nothing wrong with (well, unless everyone was gay...then the race would die off..well, that might not be a bad thing, actually)
but seriously your little games, Shrub, they only make a spectacle of you here on RI and make you look like a 13 year old. Grow up or go away please. In the future i shall not respond to your inane personal attacks and I would advise others here to do the same.
I appologize for wasting time on it to everyone who reads RI. But I couldn't turn the other cheek...

5/01/2008 10:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you're such a social retard, fletch. and a homophobe. what consenting people do in the privacy of their own bedroom is their business, but when you and sounder engage in felatio in public like you've been doing, someone should call it out, and someone did. be your own man, fletch. quit hiding in sounder's marsupial pouch and sticking your tongue out at everyone who passes you by like a little baby roo. you keep preaching like you are, and i'm going keep protesting. what a fanboy you are.

5/01/2008 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I appologize for wasting time on it to everyone who reads RI. But I couldn't turn the other cheek...

God, you can't even spell, can you? It's one g, you moron. And how presumptuous of you to appologize (two just for you, you dope) to those here at RI. As you mentioned in the post you deleted yesterday, nobody gives a rat's ass about you, or me, or anyone else here, so quit your idiotic posturing and your appeals to the audience. How socially typical and transparent of you. Weakling.

I'm God, you dunce, and I'm dead. In fact, I was never alive, and I never was, nor will ever be. Get that through your thick skull, you homophobe.

5/01/2008 10:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RG: In your lecture you mentioned Orfeo Angelucci [author of The Secret of the Saucers, Amherst Press, 1955], which is strange because he's a very obscure figure, even among UFO people.

Paul Laffoley: Yes, I know. I first heard of him from Giuseppe Conti who gave me some books by him. When I was in New York working for Kiesler [Frederick Kiesler was a pioneer of "organic architecture," whose most famous building is arguably the "Shrine of the Book" in Jerusalem], at night I listened to Jean Shephard who lasted from 1957 until 1976 and then went off the air. But also I was listening to Long John Nebel. Now, Long John was what Art Bell and George Noory do now.

RG: Sure.

PL: But Art Bell didn't do it till like 1985. Long John I think went off the air in about '79 or something, so there was a hiatus. That's why I think Art Bell thought there was a spot to be filled. He was doing exactly the same thing. And it was on Long John's show that I heard Orfeo Angelucci being interviewed. In other words, the whole thing about the green globes on the top of a car bumper and the voice coming out, you know, and then this beautiful lady…. So he went through the whole number, what you read in his book, that kind of stuff. A whole raft of things.

You know, Long John would sometimes hold his interviews in the Carnegie Delicatessen, which is the most famous delicatessen in New York up by Carnegie. Let's see, 57th Street, you're down to like 50th Street and 7th Avenue… You'd go in there and everybody would be eating a heart attack on a plate, pastrami, malts, that kind of stuff. But it literally was the place where Woody Allen would go. A classic place. Around the corner is the Russian Tea Room, which is now out of business. Which is awful. I remember going in there and seeing the ballerinas trotting in there like they were prize horses, with their hair, their sunglasses. Really amazing. They were all White Russians. This is where Theremin [Leon Theremin, Soviet physicist who invented the first electronic musical instrument in 1920] met a lot of people, and where the KGB eventually picked him up. People thought he was dead, but he was actually in a gulag.

RG: I wanted to talk to you about Theremin. Before we do that, though, I wanted to ask, was there something about Orfeo that resonated with you more than any other contactee story?

PL: Well, I mean… I thought George Adamski [author of Flying Saucers Have Landed, British Book Centre, 1953] was actually a fraud. Looking at him, I found him repulsive. In other words, he didn't have the wide-eyed, innocent look that Orfeo Angelucci did. I mean, I liked Orfeo's name! I mean, Orfeo! Orpheus. And Angelucci, of course, from the angels.

RG: Yes, Carl Jung was impressed by that.

PL: I know it. He put him in his last book [Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Sky, Harcourt, Brace & World, 1959]. He said Orfeo had made up a new bible.

RG: I was just reading your essay about The Day the Earth Stood Still. You go into Theremin quite a bit. Is there something about Theremin that particularly inspired or influenced you?

PL: Well, I think it was because Tesla [Nikola Tesla, Croatian-born electrical engineer who invented the first AC induction motor in 1888] and Theremin were part of what made up the movie, The Day the Earth Stood Still. Klaatu was actually a European among the Americans. In the story the landlady says, "You're from far away from here." He says, "How did you know?" And she says, "I can always tell a New England accent." And in the story, the boarding house is on Harvard Street, all this kind of stuff. And so the person who wrote the story said that Klaatu came from Europa, the fourth moon of Jupiter, which is now being investigated for life. There's water and ice on it and that kind of stuff.

RG: You mean in the original short story? ["Farewell to the Master" by Harry Bates.]

PL: Yeah. You have to read the story to get a lot of the stuff that is implied, but doesn't show up, in the movie. You know, they made a lot of technical errors. Like Klaatu was in 309 at Walter Reed, and then he says he's in 306. They just let that slip through in the movie, and I'm saying, what's going on? And there are other funny things like that. But I always thought of Klaatu, like, he was 78 years old and he looked 35 and he said the life expectancy was 130 on his home planet. Both Tesla and Theremin were preternaturally young. I mean, for a long time Tesla was a young man well into his 70s. And so was Theremin, even though, at the end, he looked pretty old. But he was still doing things that young guys do, beyond the time you'd normally think people should be doing that stuff. They were European gentlemen, very well-mannered, all of the stuff you associate with living in Europe. So I began to analyze the movie and said it was really made out of these two characters who were brought together. That made it fascinating to me. And especially the language they made up, that Klaatu speaks. Because it has a Latin word order. It's like medieval Latin, but it had some Navajo phonemes in it and that kind of stuff.

RG: Klaatu barada nikto.

PL: Yeah, right. At one time I could reel off things that he says in front of the interrossitor, the device on the ship. And then, of course, he uses the Theremin thing. He doesn't touch anything. He just has his hands come near it, which is the way you play the Theremin. With one hand you raise the pitch and with the other hand you change the volume. You didn't actually touch the thing. So he's doing that, opening the doors, running the whole ship that way. And then in the scene where Klaatu gets brought back to life, Gort brings him into the flying saucer. He lays him down in this thing, and there are like zap rays coming from the feet to the head. Well, Theremin actually tried to make somebody come back to life. He had a lot of friends and one of them died. He was very lonely after she died, and so he started to concoct this gadget that would bring people back to life. And that gadget was the model for the revival of Klaatu in the movie.

RG: Did Robert Wise or the screenwriter actually say that the movie was based on either Tesla or Theremin?

PL: Well, they're dead now. But I think anybody who would be able to come up with that kind of a movie has got to have a breadth of knowledge that's pretty wide. He's casting his net over a big water, and so you wouldn't even dare attempt something like that, that would have that impact, unless you had a lot of knowledge. I saw it the first day it came to the RKO Keith Memorial Theatre on Tremont Street when I was, like, eleven years old. Because I'd had the experience with Giuseppe Conti, I said, "My God, that's my movie!" I kept seeing it everywhere I could. Then finally, when VHS and DVDs came out, I got that. And I keep watching it all the time.

RG: A few years ago I read Tesla: Man Out of Time by Margaret Cheney.

PL: Yeah. Good book.

RG: Somewhere in the book Cheney says that when Tesla would write out a blueprint or a diagram, it was as if he were tracing an image that was already there.

PL: Oh yeah. He'd do it through lucid dreaming. He would, in a sense, dream up the engine, forget about it, come back, and then discover where it was wearing. You know, where the parts were wearing out. Now, that's inner visualization and a half! And that was the secret of why he did so many inventions.

RG: Wait a minute. You're saying that he would dream of the engine, one he hadn't built yet, and then he'd…?

PL: Set it in motion, come back, see where the machine had worn out over time. All in his head. Yeah.

RG: And do you think it was entirely intuitive on his part, or did he know exactly what he was doing?

PL: I think he was always like that. And so it was inevitable that he would be an inventor. Because it was so easy for him to think fourth-dimensionally, dynamically. It wasn't just a static thing with him. In other words, it isn't the way an architect thinks, which is essentially static. You know, in terms of space. He was thinking of parts actually moving, like exchanging positions in space through time. This would go over here, then that would go over there, and then something else would happen.

RG: Do you think he was a contactee, like Orfeo?

PL: A lot of people claim that. He said he had no interest in the spiritual. He didn't believe in telepathy, didn't believe in any of that stuff, didn't believe in any religion, and he just thought all these people were being superstitious and wanted them to go away. And in that way he was very close to H.P. Lovecraft, who was almost a believing atheist. In other words, he was areligious, asexual, neurasthenic, he just didn't want to react to the world. Like Virginia Woolf, who considered religion the ultimate obscenity.

RG: I was reading S.T. Joshi's biography of Lovecraft. He said that the original story "Nyarlathotep" might have been based on Tesla. Because, of course, Nyarlathotep first appears in the story as this kind of odd person who's doing weird experiments with electricity on the stage. They were contemporaries, weren't they?

PL: Oh yeah, sure. Because Tesla lived to almost 1943, whereas Lovecraft died in 1937.

RG: It's fascinating when you consider that if Lovecraft had lived a normal life span, he would've been alive well into the 1960s.

PL: That's true.

RG: Which is amazing, when you think about what he might have been writing during the Vietnam War say.

PL: Right. Well, he might have been doing something else. I think he wrote himself out.

RG: Yeah?

PL: You know what I mean? In other words, he had already said what he had to say.

RG: Colin Wilson was talking about his last major story, "Shadow Out of Time," in this essay I just read, and he said that H.P. Lovecraft was still thinking of himself as writing supernatural horror stories even though he had obviously gone way beyond that. But Lovecraft had not reconciled that paradox yet. So Wilson thought his cancer was unconsciously brought on by his frustration of not knowing where to go next. When did you become aware of Lovecraft?

PL: When I was at Brown. In other words, I'd heard about him, but I didn't pay that much attention till I happened to go to a meeting about it. And then I got just totally turned on.

RG: And did you start reading him at that time?

PL: Oh yeah. I started with "Pickman's Model," because it was about Boston. I mean, what I loved about him at first is his sense of scholarship of an area, setting an environment, enlivening it. I think that's one of the secrets of writing. In other words, you've got a journey as the plot, but it has to be in a lively environment, being able to create the mood. If you read "Pickman," in other words, they're winding their way through the Boston Streets and Lovecraft researched what was there. As a matter of fact, in 1927, when he came back, he was so disappointed, 'cause they had started to destroy a lot of those old houses from the 1700s that were in the North End. Of course, that was the place where Bostonians first landed and set up shop, because they could watch the Charles River and the Boston Harbor simultaneously, and then they dug all those tunnels so that the people could go underground from one house to another and watch who was approaching, in the dark, without being observed. Which, of course, was used later for the underground railroad, moving slaves up to Canada.

RG: When I was reading that Tesla book I was surprised to see that there's a man named George Viereck who has connections with both Tesla and Lovecraft. He hired Lovecraft to ghost-write for him, and he was also a fan of Tesla and was hanging around his lab all the time.

PL: Well, Lovecraft did work for Houdini too.

RG: That's right. He wrote "Imprisoned With the Pharaohs" for him. You know, if you read his story "Dreams in the Witch House" you can tell he's writing about what theoretical physicists now call hyperspace. Do you think he was just naturally attuned to his unconscious, or did he have esoteric interests he didn't like to talk about it?

PL: Oh, I think he knew the whole gamut. He just didn't believe any of it! He probably liked to use the esoteric stuff because he knew it would tick people off and freak them out.

RG: The painting you're working on now is about Lovecraft?

PL: It's called "Pickman's Mephitic Models," based on the story. Certain things about it many people don't realize. Pickman was a real painter who lived between 1888 and 1926. Now, there's a question mark [gesturing toward the writing in the margins of the painting], because Lovecraft claims that he turned into a ghoul. God knows how old he is now.

RG: Well, we know he reappears in The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath as a ghoul. So, let me get this straight, you're saying Pickman really lived in Boston?

PL: Yeah. That's what I'm saying. In other words, the reason why I found out about that is that I went to Brown University. I belong to the Lovecraft Society, which meets at the University. They do things like follow in Lovecraft's footsteps, just like he followed in Edgar Allan Poe's footsteps. I mean the actual footfalls, you know, like they're going out looking for sasquatch, this kind of stuff. I mean, these are really dedicated people when it comes to Lovecraft. But in the top floor of the John Hay Library, you have all of Lovecraft's archives. And messing around in there, I noticed, I said, what are these paintings? And the librarian told me, "Well, those are Pickman's paintings." I said, "I thought this was like something he made up, like The Necronomicon, that kind of stuff." And he said no, that the guy actually existed. He was a mediocre painter, living in Boston at that time, painting for the Boston Art Club, and places like that. We're not talking avant garde galleries here. But Boston is not an avant garde place. It stays literally 15 to 20 years behind New York at all times. I mean, even New York isn't in any great shape anymore in relation to the rest of the world. But at a certain point Pickman got this studio in the north end of Boston, which at that time was the first area where people lived when they first came to Boston. And the reason they did that, they were defending their position, and in order to really defend it, by 1700 they had dug underground tunnels all through that area so people could go up in a house and then not be seen by the enemy attacking them.

RG: I remember that from the story.

PL: The tunnels were used first in the Revolutionary War. The next time they were used is during the time of moving slaves from the south on big ships, and when they would land they'd instantly go down into those tunnels, until the slave ships that were trying to catch them, coming up from Chesapeake Bay or West Virginia, got tired and went away. And the story is... You've read the whole story?

RG: Sure.

PL: Eliot, the narrator, goes down into these tunnels with Thurber…

RG: Wait. Thurber's the narrator, who's talking to Eliot.

PL: Right, you're right. So Eliot brings him down and Thurber starts hearing rustlings and stuff down there. He's looking at these God-awful paintings, very realistic renderings of demons, as they're going deeper and deeper into the inner sanctum. And then suddenly Eliot disappears and Thurber grabs something that he thinks is a background shot of a photograph. When he gets home he realizes that this was actually the demon that Pickman had taken a snapshot of, and that he was using it to help him paint the thing from real life. And so I've always wanted to do a painting on this, but this has nothing to do with the fact that it's going to be in the Satan show. It's just that it's been on my mind for years, and this is a perfect time to do it.

Okay. Now, the thing is, once I discover that these paintings are actually in the John Hay Library, I ask them, "Can I come back and take pictures of them?" The guy says, "Absolutely not. This is like a museum. The only thing you can do is, you or a sketch artist can sketch these things, otherwise it'd be like going into a museum and borrowing stuff. You can't do that. The things would be ruined, taking them out of the case and all that kind of stuff." So I said okay. I got a friend of mine and said, "Let's go down and do some visualization of that stuff. That's how I got the things that're there [referring to a series of four sketches hanging on the wall of his upstairs studio]. Arnie Clapman, that's my friend's name, I hope he's going to come to the show, he decided to do the first sketch. So I'd say stuff like, "No, no, that's wrong, look at this here." So we were working these things out together to get a pretty good rendition of what they actually look like. There's quite a number of paintings that Pickman did. So I picked basically the four juiciest ones. They're not really the way they're described in the story, because Lovecraft's talking about something that almost sounded like Andrew Wyeth or Norman Rockwell, you know, the dogs playing poker and this kind of stuff. In other words, that isn't what Pickman was all about. He was depicting the suffering of Satan, you see, through these demons. Because the whole theory of what Satan is, it's Lucifer, the highest of the seraphim, the bearer of God's light, who at a certain point comes to believe he is what is being revealed to him.

So, I began to realize that Lucifer is this creature who, having received an infinite revelation, believed he was God. So that's the first sin of pride. It's also a moment at which the first transsubstantiation occurs. And he becomes Satan, which is like... This was a flash, an instant. He becomes a humanoid, but he has an infinite number of physical senses, each of which are as different as eyes are from your ears. If you can imagine, we only have five or six senses, and we have trouble even distinguishing those when people are in synaesthesia. So he goes through all the seven deadly sins, right down the list, finally to wrath. He's lusting after knowledge in this way, and so he sees the universe as a non-supernatural example of cosmic art. Now, we know this is what Lovecraft was into. Because he kept talking about how he wasn't interested in religion. In a heaven state there is no religion, meaning that you're seeing the whole thing ... I mean, to worship something means that it's something beyond you, right? In other words, it's not being revealed to you.

So here was the situation. For years Lovecraft was defined as an atheist. Well, he wasn't saying anything about what he really was at all. He wasn't even an agnostic. That's exactly what the situation is, in other words, when you enter an eternal realm. You've got to know there is no religion. So it's literally a non-supernatural state of cosmic art. This is what this creature experiences, who then becomes Satan, and the moment he becomes Satan he's pulled back into eternity. He loses instantly, loses all these senses. And as it's happening he's going right down to wrath. And so what he's doing is, he's putting on a show that he isn't suffering.

Look at all the stuff the Existentialists did. You can start with Picasso, you know, and then Francis Bacon and other guys like that. What they were doing is depicting suffering. And that's exactly what a demon is, he's pretending that he isn't. So he can get more people down there. You know, misery loves company, that's the whole thing. So that's basically the pitch that I'm working on.

RG: S.T. Joshi once said that Lovecraft was creating an anti-mythology, in the sense that he was turning basic theological concepts upside down and placing hell outside, in space...

PL: Yes, in an extraterrestrial realm. The thing is, where you gonna place it? From the time of Dante, when you have the Ptolemaic universe, you had God on the outside like a hypersphere, and then in the center you have the Earth, all the seven heavens and layers, and then you have the Mount of Purgatory and Hell right in the center, and here's Satan flapping his wings and he keeps making the lake of Cocytus ice so you can't get out. So, again, where Heaven and Hell are, who the hell knows that now? Because we've got so many dimensions going. I don't think one person could ever make a total theological statement about that. That, I think, is impossible, because then... The whole thing that Dante did was summed up in the medieval world. It's like St. Thomas Aquinas, the Summa Theologica. He didn't invent it, he just put it all in one package. You get twelve fat books there sitting in any library. Whereas... I think if Joshi thinks Lovecraft was doing anything like that, just throwing together all this stuff to form a kind of anti-mythology, that's where I would disagree with him.

RG: Do you think Lovecraft was actually an atheist or...?

PL: No no, no no no. I think he recognized what he was dealing with, he was dealing with demons. And he was dealing with creatures that're suffering. There's no way out of this suffering. I think... You know, Mick Jagger's "Sympathy for the Devil." I think it was inspired by that. You don't know who's reading what, you know. It just comes out once in a while in the pop culture. And so, I would say that it's probably impossible for a lot of people to even think what Lovecraft's theological state was. He could've been trying to do a Marx to Hegel, that kind of thing, in other words, turn the thing upside down and crawl around inside it. But, look, the guy was eating poorly, he had like a quart of ice cream a day. He was suffering constantly near the end. He wasn't concerned with his body at all, not the way we're concerned with our bodies nowadays.

I think that the phrase "a non-supernatural cosmic work of art" is what he would say that the devil had seen, or Satan had seen, in that instant. Like this orgasm of knowledge, where he sees the universe in a way that we can never see. But then that gets taken away. Of course, revelation is always taken away. So then he is thrust into some kind of outer space realm, like here [pointing toward the painting in progress]. In other words, he's recognized he's gone through R'lyeh, the Sunken City of R'lyeh, and then Cthulhu, the extraterrestrial, calls his band of worshippers home to recognize him as the anti-christ. This is all in The Necronomicon, something Lovecraft actually did make up.

RG: Well, you know, Colin Wilson claimed that Winfield Lovecraft, Lovecraft's father, was a Freemason, part of the Boston Freemasons, and speculated that The Necronomicon might have been real, something Winfield saw in the local Masonic Lodge and perhaps brought home with him one night. Young Lovecraft tiptoes downstairs and flips through a couple of pages late one night….

PL: Yeah, okay. I like Colin Wilson, mainly because he never went to school. When you don't go to school you can say anything you want like that and not have to worry. [Laughs] And I would bet that some of the things he's saying are correct. But how much, who knows?

5/01/2008 11:09:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

nice try, shrub. but I'll respond (even though I know I said I wouldn't)
one g? you mean p?
way to fuck up your own bombastic retort.
so I can't spell. oh well. I never claimed to be perfect. And I don't really care that much.
I will repost my deleted post if you want, you seemed to like it. It was an illustration of frustration, which apon further meditation seemed a bit overblown. And seriously, you actually think I'm a homophobe? Methinks you protest too much. Projection, it's what's transparent about you buddy.
I may not be the best speller in the world, but at least I can read. You didn't even read what I wrote, which was that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality.
I can't believe I'm actually playing your friggin' game!
Y' wanna get together and go bowling?
You know, I'd be happy to have an in depth repor with you somewhere else like via-email, but you're anonymous. we are. Looking like "social retards" in front of the grown folk here at rigint. That's why I apppppppologized.
I apologize again.
because this crap shouldn't be here, (and I said I would ignore you) but you know shrub, what the hell? why not? maybe the readers of this can see how a true sociopath like you interacts with others on a message board.

5/01/2008 11:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I apologize again.
because this crap shouldn't be here

I think we're finally making progress. You're right, the preaching crap doesn't belong here.

5/01/2008 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Hey, YOU are the one who inspired the apostles to write the Bible, Mr. God. It's not my fault. I didn't write it,
seriously though, Shrub,
The Bible is a real thing, sorry if you can't handle reality.
My guess is that you've never even read it and your ignorance mixed with your popular anti-biblical/religion stance once made you feel "cool".
oh man this is getting boring.
and too easy.
This is the part where you say, "oh yeah, easy like yer mom!" and think you're real clever and then I come back and say something like,
"oh grow up you silly little child." and on and on it goes. blah blah blah.
Is this fun for you?
I think it is.
I know I'm enjoying myself immensly.
sarcasm is so hard to get across online.

5/01/2008 12:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmm... Mark I thought you would have been more agreeable to nobodaddy's cut'n'paste.

I just took it as a nod towards furthering awareness of Deep Ecology and the Goddess tradition. I see the whole Christianity thing as just one of many interpretations on our species' prerogative of genocide.

How do we understand genocide and dominance of cultural ideologies? It appears to me that analyzing the complexities of religious expression is a red herring.

The negative source of our suffering, it seems to me, is the tendency towards Dominion of the biosphere. This naturally leads to Dominion of different species and of our own species.

Wherefore, or what is this dominion?

That is a very important question.

And that is why I found the comment to be meaningful.

Respectfully, me

5/01/2008 05:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

big surprise ... not!*

5/01/2008 05:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, I've just been rereading Jim Marr's "Rule by Secrecy" which is a top-knotch conspiracy overview but his logic is lacking and most of his sources are self-published right-wing tracts. haha.

Anyway then I happened upon "God and Gold: Britain, America and the Making of the Modern World" by Walter Russell Mead, the Council on Foreign Relations Kissinger Fellow (2007).

Mead writes:

"Waspophoes are right about one thign: Tthe Anglo-Americans do in fact have a secret master plan to dominate the world, and they have been following it faithfully for three hundred years." (p.85)

He's being tongue-in-cheek, starting out a chapter called:

The Protocols of the Elders of Greenwich.

What's amazing about this book is that it's the exact mirror image of Jim Marr's classic. Mead's prose is tighter but, just like Marrs, he relies on the Federal Reserve, J.P. Morgan, and other elites. Of course he's promoting them all but he conveniently leaves out any connection to the


In fact Mead's WHOLE argument stems on an "ethnic" one -- the Anglo-American love of liberty.

Mead does mention, after the fact and in passing, that there were charges against Churchill getting German-Jewish funding, and similar issues, as if these do not really hinder his whole "Anglo-American" thesis.

5/01/2008 08:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The negative source of our suffering, it seems to me, is the tendency towards Dominion of the biosphere.

But is man born with that tendency, or is it learned? Surely there's evidence that man didn't always live in disharmony with its surroundings. Perhaps Drew can dig something up to support that it's Civilization, and egregiously Western Civilization that has promulgated this Dominionist proclivity.

As Mark indicated, Lamb Lash conveniently leaves out a large part of the story, and completely ignores the Roman Empire in all of this, however, it doesn't mean that Lamb Lash doesn't raise some valid and interesting points. The following really resonated with me and validates and articulates my observations:

For some 50 years in American psychology we have developed the idea of the abuse bonding, or what I call the “victim-perpetrator syndrome”. If there is an abuser and there are people who are abused, there will be a bond formed between them. And some of the abused will then become abusers in turn. And even the abused people in the system who do not become abusers will remain faithful and loyal to those who abused them. We see it in dysfunctional families where children who are beaten to an atrocious degree will stand up and defend their parents. So I looked at the victim-perpetrator syndrome to analyze history and found that the ideology of Christian salvation is a concept that is really pathological and serves as a cover for the victim-perpetrator game to continue.

Whatever Christianity once was before it became established and was ultimately adopted by the Roman Empire, is interesting but irrelevant and irretrievable. What's pertinent now is what Christianity became and now is, which is yet another mechanism of social control in which to further Empire.

5/01/2008 08:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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5/01/2008 09:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dominion -- comes from domini or "God" which comes from the Indo-European word GOTT meaning BULL just like Brahman.

"I am that I am" -- when we defined ourselves by LANGUAGE then our brains are controlled by GOD -- by Freemasonic dominion.

So what's the alternative: nonwestern music harmonics.

All of us listen to music -- but how many REALLY listen to it!

I completely rely on nonwestern harmonics to transform my own and others electrochemical and electromagnetic energy. The full-lotus, pineal gland energy is just nonwestern harmonics.

Music is reality. So no one really knows why music works. Just practice music as reality and guess what -- it works because of consciousness beyond spacetime, creating energy as resonance of "frequency" and "amplitude."

It's the foundation for all of science -- yet it relies on complementary opposite harmonics, not defined by left-brain "I am that I am" geometry lined up with phonetic symbols.

So the answer again is practice nonwestern music to create
1) blissful heat 2) electromagnetic healing energy 3) light-visions 4) peace and truth of reality

The practice

1) simple tai-chi 2) the "small universe" exercise 3) full-lotus for the level 1 sitting meditation c.d. $11.

5/01/2008 10:31:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

And O Mother Earth, who writes all our lives, I'm surprised you failed to see your handiwork in the material-environmental concerns of Christians and many others in that era.

"Mother Earth" wrote:

"I just took it as a nod towards furthering awareness of Deep Ecology and the Goddess tradition. I see the whole Christianity thing as just one of many interpretations on our species' prerogative of genocide."

Well, I see it as coming out of concerns of anti-systemic health movements (lots of health practices disliked by 'powers that be' are core to religious protest movements; lots of alternative localist economic institutions came out of the Christian (and others' of its era movements--all the little warrens in Cappadocia (in the Goreme, for instance) were local Christian church-economic community compounds holed up against the Roman State and bandits, etc.)

(Besides, so called 'deep ecology' thinkers have a very shallow separation from genocidal Nazis with respect to many of them being Malthusian in the policies they want to wish upon their fellow human beings: just kill them. I talked about this before:

Humanist Greens of the Bioregional State, Unite! A Contrast to Anti-Humanist Green Anarchy Solutions


"Here's an excellent article relayed from the NWRage website. It allows a nice short contrast between "green anarchy" and the bioregional state proposals. The bioregional state proposals are completely different in recommendations, though in agreement on the seriousness of the issues of anthropogenic climate change and human pollution.


I suppose it comes down to the point that the bioregional state is humanist, rational, secular, tolerant, and institutional in the Enlightenment tradition against forms of political and economic tyranny, while green anarchists are in their own estimation "anti-civilizational" and even anti-humanist in service of green goals. On the contrary, bioregional state proposals show that to be pro-humanist (i.e., to be concerned with reflecting human concerns on local areas) is a very green proposal given the supermajorities for a 'health, ecological, and economic' change in development policy. In other words, humans are your friends, instead of your enemies, in working toward sustainability. Humans because of local ecological self-interest yield a politics toward environmental amelioration--if it is allowed to be expressed. Typically, this ecological self-interest is shielded from its expression in formal institutions and formal policy by a whole slew of gatekeeping forms of political power that service only informal elite forms of degradative developmentalism. However, the political demographic for a change is indeed "already here though waiting to be organized."

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Back to the later Roman Empire, same scene. So there they go protecting their local ecology from external Roman taxation and incursions, denying Roman jurisdiction; there they go building a community in a particular localized ecology; this comes with lots of medical concern motivating them.

(Even Essenes were noted mostly as medical mystical healers with herbal knowledge as well as spiritual practitioners at the same moment.).

Other "mother earth" quotes:

"How do we understand genocide and dominance of cultural ideologies? It appears to me that analyzing the complexities of religious expression is a red herring."

I wasn't analyzing the 'complexities of religious expression' anyway. I was saying we can understand the genocide and dominance of 'cultural ideologies' by recognizing them as not being really in control, so stop anthropocizing them as the actors to blame. How do you blame a discourse? You can't just expect that religion is a 'program' that 'causes' actions like software churning out motions or actions in the human animal.

What you can connect it with is a deprading state political economy wrapping itself in these ideas to mystify itself degradations to its own populations of believers. Or itself becomes that 'rewrapping/repackaging' as the Roman Christianity Empire example indicates.

Sometimes religious expression is one of opposition to current expropriation and environmetnal destruction, structually speaking.

Surely mother earth has heard of ecospirituality, and that it exists in all religious interpretations (even Christianity)?

For the causes of degradation (re cultural discourses involved in it), what we are talking about is the selective appropriation of religious tradition to justify environmental degradation, instead of talking about the fuller religious tradition itself.

Religious tradition is applied differently as history goes by and by different interests and positional concerns in society.

Because that changes over time.

And because that is part of selective attribution, with different versions of the same religion battling for hegemony on interpretation in different eras, etc.

That is a different story than the interview excerpt that started all this, though I think the more accurate one: a highly contentious 'use of tradition' for different positions in society and different political interests. So blame particular people and interest. Don't blame a whole freaking religious tradition as if it is a software program or something. That's just lazy. Blame people. Blame institutions. And recognize that not all of the people in the 'same religion' have the same actions.

M.E. said:

"The negative source of our suffering, it seems to me, is the tendency towards Dominion of the biosphere. This naturally leads to Dominion of different species and of our own species. Wherefore, or what is this dominion? That is a very important question. And that is why I found the comment to be meaningful."

Fair enough in that common concern. That I would agree with.

Watch that Ladakh film ye old GGG and myself mentioned (I provided a link for it), and it gives insight into how a rather sustainable Ladakh became adjunct to a larger subsidized state expansion of India and such, where development came at the price of local ecological destruction instead of animated by preserving it.

I don't think you could say that anyone in that film was inspired by Buddhism to do what you see happening in the film, though this kind of 'logic' (really just assumption) in the interview would expect that the religious tradition was to blame for everything that happened to Ladakh? Of course not.

And I think Father Earth got it above from what I meant to say: in other words, you can't analytically separate out the Roman Empire 'from' Christianity anyway. The Roman Empire reformulated itself on a certain version and reinterpretation and even just raw opportunistic elite use of Christianity so whether you could ever separate out whether the Roman empire 'or' Christianity caused something is silly, is a false question: what the Roman Empire was was its 'new clothes' of conquest in reinterpreted reinterpreted, reanimated State Christianity from truly psychopathic Constantine. Though he lived in truly psychopathic times with equals like him everywhere.

"Constantine I founded Constantinople on the site of Byzantium and converted the Roman Empire to Christianity, yet this first Christian emperor "would hardly be recognized as Christian at all today," asserts renowned classicist Grant in a compelling reassessment. A ruthless despot who strove to be a world-conqueror like Alexander the Great, Constantine (280?-337) murdered his second wife and his son, assassinated friends and advisers and extended the death penalty to minor crimes. While cultivating a reputation for almsgiving, the emperor crushed common people with oppressive taxes to finance his reckless wars, extravagant pomp and vast, corrupt bureaucracy. The Christian God whom Constantine revered was a god of power who presumably enabled him to destroy foes, and as Grant makes clear, the emperor's belief that he was constantly in touch with God made him difficult and dangerous."

Father Earth said:

"Whatever Christianity once was before it became established and was ultimately adopted by the Roman Empire, is interesting but irrelevant and irretrievable. What's pertinent now is what Christianity became and now is, which is yet another mechanism of social control in which to further Empire."

Yes, what's pertinent is my point. that's my point. However, it's not irrelevant because you can see this everywhere:

"What Christianity became" is still contested. Not in all cases does it follow the path of Empire reauthorization. Nothing is that functional about any religious tradition.

Perhaps mother or father earth would find interesting some of what we mortals have been writing about on this point here:

This Sacred Earth: Religion, Nature, Environment by Roger Gottlieb (Paperback - Nov 4, 2003)

--documenting environmentalism in many world's religious traditions instead of just in 'new age' (really renewed old age) sort of rehashed Eurocentric Enlightenment romancitism about pagans.

My more subtle point I will spell out is that the material concerns of the early Christians was quite one that was influenced by environment. It is seen in their forms of institutional adaptations that were mostly anti-systemic to the Roman Empire, pro-medical, and localist, collectivist economics incarnate. The later co-option of these ideas and their reformulation and mass popularization stripped from these institutional implications was exclusively based on state power expansion--and cannot thus be tied to 'Christianity'--instead it is tied to 'Christianity vehicles for the same state power' and warped by that state power and cut to fit its interests.

Antother Gottleib book:

A Greener Faith: Religious Environmentalism and Our Planet's Future (Hardcover), by Roger S. Gottlieb (2006)

"The argument of Gottlieb's hopeful, surprising book is that today, religious people and organizations are among the most committed, and most persuasive, environmental activists. [Remember that the U.S. Civil Rights Movement in Black America was organized around "Christian Churches" as well, so that interview that started this thread should be taken with an even larger grain of salt.] Gottlieb's view is global, principally examining religious green activism in the U.S., but also looking at Zimbabwe, Taiwan and the Vatican. And his approach is ecumenical, encompassing Jewish and Christian theologians who have found a powerful biblical call to stewardship of God's creation, and Buddhist teachers who are prompted by their belief in compassion to extend care to the natural world. Church groups have participated in peaceful demonstrations against the Bush administration's energy policy; Jews, inspired by the holiday of Tu B'Shvat, the birthday of the trees, have planted redwoods in denuded stream banks owned by grasping corporations; and interfaith groups have petitioned lawmakers to address global warming. Sometimes religious groups cooperate with secular organizers, as when the Sierra Club and the National Council of Churches co-sponsored a proconservation TV ad. Not only have religious activists helped energize the environmental movement, but environmentalism has reinvigorated religious practice: Lay people and clerics alike have crafted new religious rituals that celebrate the Earth, such as Buddhist gathas (short verbal formulas) for recycling and Christian liturgies for Earth Day. Gottlieb keeps academic jargon to a minimum, so this timely book should have crossover appeal.

"At last someone has not only noticed the extraordinary story of the rise of religious participation in the environmental movement, but has written a book which tells this story in an engaging way. Gottlieb chronicles the increasing role played by faith groups but is also very good at pinpointing the areas of disagreement and tension with an often dismissive secular world. This should be vital reading for anyone who thinks they know what the future of the environmentalmovement is. Gottlieb will show many people worlds they didn't even think existed! A timely book; a wonderful collection of stories; and some hard questions. Excellent."--Martin Palmer, Secretary General of the Alliance of Religions and Conservation

"Roger S. Gottlieb has written a seminal book examining the emerging debate on environmental ethics among the world's great faith traditions and what that means for the future of environmental stewardship."--Carl Pope, Executive Director, The Sierra Club

"Roger S. Gottlieb presents a comprehensive view of the nexus of religion and the environment. The specific stories of faith-based environmentalism provide a bright picture of the faith community's capacity for caring for God's creation. If we actively follow his lead, we will go a long way toward being more effective stewards of our fragile planet."--Dr. Bob Edgar, General Secretary, National Council of Churches USA

"Roger S. Gottlieb is the foremost voice in joining spirituality, environmentalism, and progressive politics. In this critically important book, he creates a needed sense of community, engenders hope, gives us direction, and impels us to act on behalf of the earth and all its beings."--David Landis Barnhill, editor of At Home on the Earth: Becoming Native to Our Place

"Roger S. Gottlieb's A Greener Faith: Religious Environmentalism and Our Planet's Future offers a superb insight into the larger issues of an integral Earth-human survival...a most needed guide."--Father Thomas Berry, author of The Great Work: Our Way into the Future

"This should be vital reading for anyone who thinks they know what the future of the environmental movement is. Gottlieb will show many people worlds they didn't even think existed! A timely book; a wonderful collection of stories; and some hard questions. Excellent."--Martin Palmer, Secretary General of the Alliance of Religions and Conservation

"Beautifully written, carefully researched, and insightful...A stunning achievement and must read for students and scholars interested in religiously inflected sustainable living in the face of eco-injustice and the loss of hope in our time."--Mark I. Wallace, author of Finding God in the Singing River: Christianity, Spirit, Nature

5/02/2008 04:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark, what you don't get is that I, and others like me, aren't going to resort to the time-honored tradition of refashioning the same set of clothes that everyone's been wearing for the last several thousand years. In otherwords, I refuse to engage in a revolution that seeks to repackage, rebrand and reclaim Christianity for its cause. Instead, I prefer to go naked again without all the unnecessary cloth. You seem to want to hold on to these traditions as though they are sacred, i.e. Christianity and Democracy. I believe we are capable, as a species, of developing new and unique ways of social interaction, although the liklihood of that is highly improbable when individuals like yourself, who see the destrcution of the current system, continually fight to fix the system, rather than eschewing it once and for all. Chlamor said it very well on the discussion board. I will paste it here in case some of you didn't read it.

Civilizations are like dramas, with themes and roles and a plot. The major themes of western civilization have become unsustainable. Western civilization has played itself out. The "game" has become uninteresting and unfulfilling. Every path is blocked and there is no next step, no new frontier. All of its traditions have been destroyed and all of its dreams snuffed out - and this just in our lifetimes, which is lightning fast. Part of the drama (and intrigue and excitement) of western civilization was its go for broke derring do speed and daring, so it probably shouldn't surprise us that it is going down fast and hard.

It can't go on. It won't. The attempts by the fundamentalists and racists and capitalists and jingoists to save it are futile and absurd, because their very efforts are just part of the drama of the collapse. At the same time, the urge to tear it down is just another role to play in the final act of the great drama.

We have a unique opportunity to step outside of the drama, that only comes once in a long while in history. We are in a civilization that is collapsing. We can't save it, we can't kill it. You might as well try to “help” a tidal wave or stop it.

What we can do, though, us plant the seeds for what comes next. It is not too early to start. I would cite the last great example of this from history, but since that is part of the drama of western civilization and we are all “against” western civilization, we would probably reject it as a model for us.

There is a lot to discuss. There is a lot of work to do. But we need to step off the sinking ship, figuratively speaking. There is a lot of tension for all of us because everything we see says that the ship is sinking, but we keep arguing about the best way to stop it from sinking, or among other groups they are arguing about plans for the future as though it isn't sinking. That causes a lot of tension and confusion and miscommunication.

Recognizing that the ship is sinking does not have to be depressing or discouraging – quite the opposite. To say “look at the murder and slavery and torture and lawlessness and environmental destruction and hatred” and then demand that we all put on a happy face and be positive is asking us to do something that we can't and shouldn't do. Nor should we give up and be without hope, though. Our hope is in something completely new while at the same time we don't kid ourselves about the dangers we are facing nor the probable hardships ahead.

5/02/2008 07:50:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

"Whatever Christianity once was before it became established and was ultimately adopted by the Roman Empire, is interesting but irrelevant and irretrievable. What's pertinent now is what Christianity became and now is, which is yet another mechanism of social control in which to further Empire."
Mark responded to this too, but I would like to delve deeper.
I see that father earth like so many others invallidate Christianity by saying, "it's old!!! see? I don't want to put on that "old garment" I want to run naked, like a child!!"
what kind of thinking is that?
Whatever Christianity was is NOT irrierevable. It's fairly coherently laid out in the books of the apostles. Just read the book of Paul or Matthew, and you get a pretty good picture of early Christianity.
What people always confuse about the issue is mistaking ROMAN catholisism with True Christianity, that is believing that the system of control perpetrated apon mankind in the form of ROMAN catholisism is an extremely evil thing even spoken of in the Bible itself. As much as i hate John Haggee, I actually agree with his statement on the Catholic Church being the "whore of Babylon" But then Haggee goes and makes his own ministry a close second in the evil
I mean this guy also thinks that Katrina was a result of God JudgingNew Orleans for a gay pride parade.
The point is, people either take the whole thing too far and become delusional or theyt dismiss the whole thing because of the deluded.
Can we not separate the delusion from the truth?
Not in an age where we have no absolutes.
No one wants to believe that there is an absolute truth.
It's not by my authority that I say that there is one, either.
Just use the example of Gravity.
if you jump off the roof, gravity will pull you down to the ground, crushing you. That is the absolute truth of gravity. But gravity is also relative. In space the force of gravity is not present (at least not enough that it effects you, far enough from a planet or other celestial body.)
I would suggest that God may be similar, yet only by our perception. Either an absolute truth or a relative one, depending on your point of view.
Even rays of light (which are weightless) bend in the presence of a gravitational field.

5/02/2008 08:20:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

To Whom It May Concern:

F.E. said:

"what you don't get is that I, and others like me [other habitable planets, father earth, like yourself? ^^], aren't going to resort to the time-honored tradition of refashioning the same set of clothes that everyone's been wearing for the last several thousand years. In other words, I refuse to engage in a revolution that seeks to repackage, rebrand and reclaim Christianity for its cause. Instead, I prefer to go naked again without all the unnecessary cloth. You seem to want to hold on to these traditions as though they are sacred, i.e. Christianity and Democracy."

Well, first of all, I was not conducting recommendations of any kind to anyone. I was making an observation based on common features of what seems to have happened back then. Whether that is to be interpreted as a recommendation is based on an assumption that I was somehow making a prediction, which I was not. The future is open and hardly already written in stone.

It's up to individuals to decide on that issue of response and I didn't recommend any particular one. My original critique above remember was that an overconcentration on Christianity is the problem in that era--by back-reading the history to fit the winner, when the winner was not clear at all during that period.

1. There were dozens of other identity solutions in that era that were not Christian that I listed above, that were just as real.

2. As well, to introduce another topic, there were dozens of (later labeled) 'heresies' according to Eusebius, though that was a very subjective term based on his Imperial position of the attempted hegemony of State Christianity and didn't represent actual status or legitimate capacity to make orthodoxy or heresy claims. It was just an issue of power, and an issue of power that showed that there were more variants of Christianity in reality that the later Roman Empire wanted to see....

Besides, any society is full of multiple interacting subjectivities. I was just describing one, Christianity, in more detail (out of about two dozen non-Christian ones that I listed, remember!) and a thesis about its origin as influenced by environmental problems back in the Roman days, instead of entirely separate from these material concerns, though addressing them in the discourses of the period; and two, because that was the discourse/identity form that the psychopath Constantine saw fit to amalgamate into a novel State Religion to sheath himself from critique in what was literally his life of crime and organized banditry against the 'legitimate' Roman empire institutions of his period to seize power in the Eastern Mediterranean. He killed the previous two consuls for instance, and lots worse--killed his partner consul to start a kingdom based Roman Empire. he did these 'Roman crimes' at the same time attempting to make people quiescent by continuing the tolerance for Christianity established by himself and the co-consul (the one he later killed, though not after marrying his daughter I think!) and continuing to recend previous purges. Remember Constantine was not even Christian at all: he worshiped Sol Invictus all his life, and only decided to accept Christianity on his deathbed. His whole life was spent attempting to graft the multiple religious ideas of Mithraic, Sol Invictus, and Christian support into one common behavioral model (for instance moving the Saturday Sabbath of early Christianity to Sunday happened under his watch--he wanted all his empire's population to consider the same day of Sunday (the 'sun's day' in Sol Invictus worship) as a common worship day. He additionally forced all business to close on 'the sun's day' as a common religious holiday that all people in his diversified-identity empire could share.

To co-opt the health drives of many of these religious organizations for themselves, he encouraged Christian sponsored churches to build a state supported hospital, etc.

Christians end up worshiping a political compromise conducted in the 320s CE. Particularly interesting is the winner of the Arianism variant versus Trinitarian compromise, because original Christianty/Judaic version was if anything far more Arianist (even bloodline based) and even Islam sticks to the Arianist position about Jesus....


Some authors go so far as to argue that this conference invented the entirely divine Jesus concept (hence the widely popular belief of Arian Christiantiy throughout the Empire that Jesus was just another man and/or the other ideas that he had a bloodline. Both of course were disliked disliked by an Emperor wishing to consolidate power of this orphan divine-being in himself and not the extended 'sisters and his cousins and his aunts' of the 'godman' which could indeed get kind of crowded if that was the legitimate form.

It may not be true or it may be true, that's not really my concern, it's just a potential explanation of bloodline secrets as a parallel story animating much religious parapolitical politics in European Christian history if it is true, particularly with Godfroi de Boullion (argument in Holy Blood, Holy Grail) leading the first crusade and all that, not to mention the Rex Deus theme in general... or the hereditary Sanhedrin of the Jewish refugee judges... or the Desposyni for instance. Plenty of parapolitical bloodline suspects in different subjective Christians who all considered themselves the 'real Christianity' or the 'real Judaism.'

My debate is not with the truthfulness of these claim, just if some groups did believe that they had lot of incentive to keep themselves alive. And lots of strange things happen of course. If European dynasties keep records of their marriages for over 500 years or having an interest in inbreeding themselves, what's to stop other groups keeping the same practice for several thousand? Particularly if they felt they were the legitimate kings, queens, and hereditary judges of a land or a whole religion that other's had conquered and 'misinterpreted'?

If just one strand of early Christianity (or Judaism) survived it would have had repercussions for centuries particularly if bloodline issues did animate incredibly inbred families that built the Cistercians/Templars movements--who dressed in long white robes like the ancient Essenes and the Templars who grew their hair long and strange to their era (instead like like ancient sages....and held secret ceremonies of internal induction, etc. and had some interesting protection aims of Jewish communities for an ostensibly Christian military order in Spain and in their rejection of attacking the Albegensians as well. Bradley argues that the 'conspiracy' was the desire for the eventual 'religious reuniting' of Judaic group variants of Islam, Christian, and Judaism.

And whether the Templars really were dissolved....perhaps not... given that all churches in Paris trace out a large Templar cross across Paris, built across centuries after their 'dissolution' to boot...

The Knights Templar in the Golden Age of Spain: Their Hidden History on the Iberian Peninsula by Juan García Atienza (Paperback - April 29, 2006)

Holy Grail Across the Atlantic: The Secret History of Canadian Discovery and Exploration by Michael Anderson Bradley and Deanna Theilmann-Bean (Paperback - Feb 1988)

Templar Gold: Discovering the Ark of the Covenant by Patrick Byrne (Paperback - Aug 15, 2001)

or just see some books I grouped together at

Seek Solid Archaeoastronomy Links to Occult Politics?

Seek Solid Archaeoastronomy Links to Occult Politics? [2/2]

5/02/2008 12:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark -- it's very simple. Christians (of what ever "secret" sect) still use WESTERN music -- equal-tempered tuning starting with Archytas and Plato:

Freemasonic Mind Control.

It's kind of like the discussion of "force" in physics as an "occult" unacceptable "action-at-a-distance." People argue endless about how Newton's "force" is better than Leibniz' occult "harmonic circulation" but BOTH rely on a symmetric-based "divide and average" measurement of time. So whether force is a ratio of a physical quantity or a dimensionless number, it still applies to geometric length, thereby destroying the inherent occult "attraction" of complementary opposites.

5/02/2008 06:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

link to madonnq's latest

rigint has pics of alpha fems hillqry and britney

R Graves's 'I Claudius (all a's are q'z, z=w and vica versa since i am in belgium (azerty instead of qwerty .. m's are commas, sorry) was written as a breadbook; the link you offered to Mother Maddy's convinced me there is comparably soulselling zork by her. Similarly qualitative difference from, as in Graves' case, tree alphabet in 'white goddess' equally threadbare hints, left in a long since, distant past and i fear irrecuperable too. That girl can't take a hint; nor can you fellas or you would have seen this too;

oops, gone...... i complain (to drez) forthzith:

piet said...

no fair, you said someth. about f&m view of each other in relation to public climaxes, quoted someone (french keyboard bloops) praising the comment and noz it is gone, put it back or send it to me at least .... also tell me zhere the permaculture disc took place..... rigint?

May 2m 2008 3:05 PM

ensuing responses here:

next day (may 3rd)

one of over hundred comments:

Church Denials united_church_080328/20080328?hub=Canada

Fits with the testimony of Bill Schnoebelenm ex-Illuminatus and 'flipped' to Christian back once morem in his film Exposing the Illuminati from the Inside (2005)m which you can find on the net and judge for yourself.

my (mostly unposted since 06 give or take a fez in dutch) blogging goes: further dozn the latest rigint item ze find the permaculture related stuff - the crossposting of zhich at Drew's blog made me comment as follozs:

i zill do like you and leave out context ... just kidding ..

...... fuckm lost the whole comment looking for kokopelli ... though i forget why exactly ... ah yeah, to make up for the -uncorrected splice- slqck flqck lqck of enthusiqs, for per,qculture on your pqrt .... or zqs it confidence i zould folloz up on hunch ...-/uncorrected splice-

anyzay; interesting links at the opposite (hope) end of the despair spectration this blog insist on staring at (mesmeriwing evil):

Seeds of Change Homepage
We currently offer over 600 distinct varieties of 100% organically grown seeds for the home gardener and over 100 varieties in bulk auantities for the ... - 44k

do remember i started commenting on Drew's response to me (first):

Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Piet -- I searched your name recently to see if you had still been posting my stuff elsewhere. I'm not sure what you're looking for as you already cut and pasted a summary of my "O at a D" experiences.

Someone commented that the summary focused on people of ethnic minority which may be more of your own choice for what ever reason but probably not! haha.

Obviously the differing views are due to 1) males inabilities to have an internal climax 2) Westernized females therefore having to REPRESS their ability to have publicm internal climaxes 3) Newer "tantric" standards making public mutual internal climaxes to be acceptablem etc.

my anszer to him (here ((exclusively)) only):

you are the one hung up on nonzesternism (musoak notably) but i think it is hard to beat 'zhen you go down to hammond' by the roches .... or was it the lotus posish i used for the first ti,e behind q co,puter cquse i am here qt q crop up pop up (qnd zho doesn't like q lqtchin to the croppy poppiness, .... whadda we here for?) (CSA by the way) co,pi zith armless chqir?

5/03/2008 04:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember a kinder gentler time when someone would've knocked on jeff's door to see how he is.

5/03/2008 05:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wong Kar-wai film trac
« on: Today at 07:37:44 am »
So his new "Blueberry Nights" movie has a very cool sound-trac (for Western tuning). haha. The liner notes (the C.D. was given to me as a gift by my local art-house theatre) talk about how Wong, kar-wai relied on music to create the mood for his film, but also how the star actress relied on a particular song to create her crying scene, always bringing her to tears.

Wong, Kar-wai collaborated with Ry Cooder for the film, Wong sending Cooder film images and then Cooder sending new music.

So the sound trac is blues and soul heavy (Blue Note label).

It's kind of like Cowboy Junkies in that it's so sad that it's cathartic -- which, in that

Broken Heart

kind of way

is the best Western music.

Also the star actress, Norah Jones, played guitar all the time when not actually acting.

One of her songs is also in the sound-trac. She's super hot as well. I'll find a photo. haha.

WOW -- didn't know she's the daughter of Ravi Shankar and is already famous. oops.

Damn. haha.

5/03/2008 11:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I agree, for the most part.

I appreciate your proposals and sharing of pertinent information.

However, you read like a technical manual. I've lost the forest for the trees.

So I'm backing up a step.

Enjoy yourself and those around you .

That's as biostate as it needs to be.

Father, thanks for what you do. We all need it.

GGG you are a lovely fool.

5/03/2008 12:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...The contradiction between freedom from Britain being described as freedom from slavery and continued support of actual human slavery was part of the complicated awareness of the Revolutionary Generation.

Here is Phyllis Wheatley's letter to Rev. Samson Occam written in 1774. Phyllis Wheatley was a well known published poet of the era and a former slave from Africa. After learning the Bible and English literature she began to write religious and moral poems. The recipient of her letter, Reverend Samson Occam, was a widely known Presbyterian minister and a Native American who well understood both Wheatley's point and her scriptural references.

Rev'd and honor'd Sir,

I have this Day received your obliging kind Epistle, and am greatly satisfied with your Reasons respecting the Negroes, and think highly reasonable what you offer in Vindication of their natural Rights: Those that invade them cannot be insensible that the divine Light is chasing away the thick darkness which broods over the Land of Africa; and the Chaos which has reign'd so long, is converting into beautiful Order, and reveals more and more clearly, the glorious Dispensation of civil and religious Liberty, which are so inseparably united, that there is little or no Enjoyment of one without the other: Otherwise, perhaps, the Israelites had been less solicitous for their freedom from Egyptian Slavery; I don't say they would have been contented without it, by no Means, for in every human Breast, God has implanted a Principle, which we call love of Freedom; it is impatient of Oppression, and Pants for Deliverance; and by the Leave of our modern Egyptians I will assert that the same Principle lives in us. God grant Deliverance in his own Way and Time, and get him honor upon all those whose Avarice impels them to countenance and help forward the Calamities of their fellow Creatures. This I desire not for their Hurt, but to convince them of the strange Absurdity of their conduct whose Words and Actions are so diametrically opposite. How well the cry for Liberty, and the reverse Disposition for the exercise of oppressive Power over others agree,--I humbly think it does not require the Penetration of a Philosopher to determine.

5/03/2008 12:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK but think of it this way. The new book "The Essential Chomsky" reprints an essay of his from the 1980s on what makes humans different.

Chomsky argues that the human sense of number is based on the use of a "discrete infinity" and this is also what makes human language unique.

In contrast birds can count but only to a limited number so there's no concept of infinity, whereas bees use distance for counting creating a nondiscrete infinity but it's not analogous to a language.

Well I disagree with Chomsky. I posted on my old blog a book that Chomsky promotes -- a recent book arguing that humans' innate sense of language comes from our special sense of number.

But Chomsky's concept of "discrete infinity" already relies on tying number to distance through geometry. Western math uses "proof by contradiction" which is discrete, "excluded middle," logic -- since two ratios are not rational THEREFORE the hypotenuse is irrational.

This is a cultural construct with a very definite ecological destructive consequence, as I've detailed in my old blog and my current blogbook.

So, for example, Stephen Hawking's new book, "And God Created the Integars" details how Indian mathematics had the reverse concept of infinity as the West -- the geometry remained rational, yet transcendental or "sacred," while the algebra was only an "approximation" without the paradox of a

"discrete infinity."

If infinity has no ending and no beginning (as is the case in sacred geometry and pure logical inference, without the commutative property) then there is no dualistic separateness to it.

If we can not say where a species starts or ends that does not justify the "discrete infinity" science of the West, enabling an irrational geometry to reduce ecology to some mutated monstrosity.

5/03/2008 04:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To who it does concern. The Roman Catholic church is whack. The Freemason concept is worthy of investigating.The western occult tradition is a meaningful concept. And the GGG is on glue. Soothe your soul. Shine forth brave souls! Respectfully, Dennis (from Oregon.( long live the Dead)

5/04/2008 11:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So I'm cruising through Andrew Hodges' new book:

"The Inner Life of Numbers: One to Nine" (2008)

You know my schtick. Reading it in full-lotus, having O at a Ds in restaurants with chicks.

I continue this at home late last night as the book is a smooth read and fascinating but then get to the music section:

The dude goes through the whole Number versus Overtones thing -- and instead of pondering how the "one-to-one correpondence" doesn't line up with the empirical truth of natural overtones here's what Hodges states:

"Fortunately, the Western ear allows itself to be fooled by a compromise with truth. The standard fix needs mathematics beyond fractions, and we shall do this in Chapter 4." (p. 75)

Now here's what I say Hodge -- what the hell does the ear have to do with this at all?

He's talking about harmonics as measured by number -- and then he says


the WESTERN ear "allows itself to be fooled"

Yes -- the Western ear -- because NON-western music enables alchemical healing.

Hodges states:

"The harmonics determined by the multiples 2, 4, 8, 16... are very special. They are so closely related to the fundamental vibration that they are interpreted by the brain as being the 'same' sound at a higher pitch." (p. 73)

So he starts the discussion of with Number (harmonic overtones as octaves -- NOT logarithms) and brain perception.

He's not talking about cultural constructs of listening.

He then states how "timbre" is based on what harmonics are included and that the octave harmonics

"gives to music a basic, natural connection with the powers of two...."

Ooops -- Hodges has just conflated logarithms (commutative property) with multiplications -- he's just transformed LISTENING into a visual means of measurement.

Using an "instrument" as "timbre" (whereby phase of time as complementary opposite consciousness is converted to frequency as logarithmic amplitude) is a convenient "vanishing mediator" to use Zizek's term.

But then no one notices do they? haha.

So then he explains harmonics -- the fifth as 3:2 ratio and the third as 5:4 ratio of string length -- but what Hodges just stated is that the harmonics are...

"some fundamanetal frequency, or pitch, but that the vibration is bound to contain higher frequencies at (some of) 2,3,4,5...times that basic pitch." (p. 73)

But a higher frequency means a smaller ratio -- while a larger ratio means a longer string length, again based on logarithms (the commutative property).

But no one notices this discrepancy....until you find out that, as Hodges notes:

"The five notes C G D A E suffice for all the pentatonic melodies common to world music. But there is a problem with the harmony, even for this basic scale. For the ratio of the final E note [of the violin] to the original C note is 81/8. This is almost, but not quite, 10. As a result, it will clash with the fifth harmonic in the cello's vibration [the basis for the original C tuning]. It is slightly higher, or sharper. This clash contradicts the principle of resonance on which we based the allocation of notes." (p. 75)

And so the problem isn't with the Western ear -- rather with Western logic creating a LIE that goes against natural harmonics which do not conform to a visual means of measurement.

5/04/2008 02:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amazing qigong videos

5/04/2008 07:24:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

I'm sorry, GGG, but a lot of "western" music has healing properties.
ever listen to Willy Nelson? ha ha.
but seriously,
Just play Black Sabbath's War Pigs and tell me it doesn't balance your Chi.
Or was i thinking of "the Wizard"?
oh bother.
they both work for me.
As does some good soulful house music.
or what about the doors???
tell me that after you listen to "Spanish Caravan" or "the End" you don't feel something akin to spiritual healing? Or the Adagio in G minor?
well, that shit is a bit
played out, for sure...
Hell, even Dark Jungle like Tech Itch has a vibratory (albeit creepy) effect on the limbic system. It promotes empathogen re-absobtion for O at D maximum efficiency, works to amplify it in fact in larger settings.

5/05/2008 08:24:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

GGG, those qigong videos weren't that amazing.
and if it is real, wouldn't it be easier to go over to the brick and push it over rather than spending a lifetime focusing your Chi for such a useless "trick"?
C'mon, Chris Angel "Mindfreak" can do alot of crazy shit too, but I never for a second think it's "magic"...

5/05/2008 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK so last night I was handed a book that I had been trying to return to:

Schroder M (1991) Fractals, chaos, power laws. Freeman,. New York.

When I opened the book amazingly it was right on the music section which is given a lot of attention.

Essentially the book is amazed that not only is there a power law for equal-tempered tuning but also how the basilar membrane of the ear is based on a power law -- with velocity of neuron processing inversely proportional to frequency processing, per 1 mm section of the inner ear. Finally he gives some avant-garde power law experiment by slips me at the mom... Sessions. Roger Sessions, a name I recognized from my music training days.

Anyway the jewel in the book is that he says unfortunately all these power laws are based on discrete math and if only there was a continuous frequency spectrum!

Amazingly Max Born says the SAME thing in his book, "The Restless Universe," as I discovered last night. Same thing -- open the book and the sentence is RIGHT there staring at me.

Born, one of the founders of quantum mechanics, says some very fascinating things:

"Simple harmonic waves cannot carry a signal....Hence they may very well travel faster than light, for the theory of relativity would only be contradicted if they could be used to send distinguishable signals for the comparison of clocks." (p. 146)

Yes but what if they COULD carry signals based on the logical inference of consciousness being the source of the phase-wave.

So on pages 124-5 Born does the same thing as the Hodges book I referenced recently -- he goes through the resonance overtones of a music "string" (again assuming logarithmic amplitude). He then states that for bells and other instruments the overtone frequencyes "are not exactly twice, thrice,...that of the fundamental, so that their vibrations are much more complicated." (Again he's assuming a logarithmic measurement based on phase-wave being contained in a visual measurement).

Born states:

"How far does the analogy apply to optics? Perhaps the spectral lines are just the fundamental tone and overtones of the atoms, which are vibrating like elastic bodies?"

"This idea is such a natural one that it has been thoroughly investigated, but with entire lack of success. For the lines in the spectra of gases have an appearance which cannot arise from the vibrations of any elastic body."

Well it's very nice to see such an important physicist admit that my resonance model is really the basis for science -- and yet Born, like the rest of science, did not examine the logical assumptions at the basis of measuring sound waves.

Too bad! haha.

5/05/2008 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ala squeeGGGe's "Well it's very nice to see such an important physicist admit that my resonance model is really the basis for science -- ".. Looks like it's time for another perfunctory pat on "Li'l G's" needy head. There, there...feel better now?

5/05/2008 12:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fletcher's right, Hemp Hill. Western music certainly has a spiritual dimension that can be quite healing. Behold, My Sweet Lord. It's advisable to prepare a plate of nachos (plenty of japapenos) and eat them while listening to this link for the full spiritual experience.

5/05/2008 01:35:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

OMG, that was pretty funny. Loved the white hippy Jesus too..thanks for the laugh.

5/05/2008 02:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck that NAFTA South of The Border shit posted above by that vile imposter. That's Nacho Cheese, nor my cheese. Here's the real My Sweet Lord. Mine is a Sexy religion where all are welcome and everything's free. All you have to do is believe in me and have faith that I am working through you and in you. Especially in you through my intermediaries.

5/05/2008 05:52:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

"What a combo...the writer and the singer....two men who melt my heart"
gorditagato said that in the youtube comments field just below the video.
and that pretty much sums it up.
but honestly, that shit made me crack up.
and that's something I would like to share with Shrub, if only to show him that you can have Faith and a sense of humour. Cheese.

but I digress,
I saw IRONMAN over the weekend.
Robert Downey is great.
I wonder what Jeff's take on the recent promotion of the character of Mr. Ironman is, given his interest in the comic book universe, among others...
I found the film a bit distressing, not for the tired yet vaguely flashy Industrial Light & Magic lucasfilm hands all over it, and the obvious propaganda aspect to it, but more for the hit-me-over-the-head with the characterization of the "Terrorists"
I have never read the comic book.
I'm more of a Batman fan I suppose...the return of the dark Knight being among my favorite comic books to date...
but I digress again,
The other idea in the movie that struck me was Robert Downey's character (an arms dealer/developer) who, seeing the evil of his ways decides that his company must somehow switch gears to that of peace instead of war...
This issue was kind of glossed over by the film yet it resonated throughout despite that.
That is an interesting concept, eh?
all the money taxpayers and the government and its interests spend on "defense" or "occupation of foreign countries", what if that money was used to cure disease, develop technology to end starvation...etc...etc...
(obviously that's a pipe dream not only because of the nature of the distribution of power and wealth and history itself..)
but hang with me for a second,
the film sort of subtly promotes this idea, it seems..
and that I think is based on the comic book character.
nothing more than imagination.
an Idea.
one whose time has come.
and giant robots piloted by Jeff Bridges are pretty special too.

5/05/2008 07:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm fucking sick of old people, sick people, feeble-minded halfwits, etc. Thankfully, when the Owner of The Most Holy & Divine Butt-cheeks sends his next round of plague rats at you, someone amongst you has had the good grace and good sense to compile a list of the expendable. It's about damn time.

"If a mass casualty critical care event were to occur tomorrow, many people with clinical conditions that are survivable under usual health care system conditions may have to forgo life-sustaining interventions owing to deficiencies in supply or staffing," the report states.

"To prepare, hospitals should designate a triage team with the Godlike task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get much more specific, and include:

"-People older than 85.

"-Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from car crashes and shootings.

"-Severely burned patients older than 60.

"-Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced Alzheimer's disease.

"-Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure, lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.

"Dr. Kevin Yeskey, director of the preparedness and emergency operations office at the Department of Health and Human Services, was on the task force. He said the report would be among many the agency reviews as part of preparedness efforts.

"Public health law expert Lawrence Gostin of Georgetown University called the report an important initiative but also "a political minefield and a legal minefield."

"The recommendations would probably violate federal laws against age discrimination and disability discrimination, said Gostin, who was not on the task force.

"If followed to a tee, such rules could exclude care for the poorest, most disadvantaged citizens who suffer disproportionately from chronic disease and disability, he said. While health care rationing will be necessary in a mass disaster, "there are some real ethical concerns here."

My Sweet Lord that motherfucker.

5/05/2008 07:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and THAT is where the New World Order comes in.

-lower case g

5/05/2008 07:36:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

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5/05/2008 07:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My Divine and Inconspicuously Concealed Fudge Stripe, there's nothing to fear. It's just a little pin prick. Nod if you can hear me. You may feel a little sick, and soon, with the dollar being purposely depreciated, the cost of traded and non-traded goods will be going Up, Up and Away In My Beautiful Balloon. And so will all of you, be going up, not in a balloon, but smoke, instead. But first there must be gnashing of teeth. God likes the gnashing of teeth. Why, to God, gnashing of teeth is as spiritually soothing as Western music.

5/05/2008 08:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


- lower case g

5/05/2008 10:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and how everyone does their own "dirty work" in IRON MAN was cool too fletch,
I thought that shit was humourous.

-lower case g

5/05/2008 10:36:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

"If a mass casualty critical care event were to occur tomorrow, many people with clinical conditions that are survivable under usual health care system conditions may have to forgo..."

Leave it to the US to interpret natural disasters as boon time for 'shock doctrine' eugenics.

All you have to do is order up an artificial hurricane (or not, given Bush says he can declare martial law without any connection to domestic events if he wants) and then pull out those old mothballed S.S. doctor uniforms...

"Disaster eugenics" as a state policy is nothing to laugh about or encourage.

Particularly given the ethnic cleansing of New Orleans housing stock with Hurricane Katrina (and its strange 90 degree right turns and whatnot to hit New Orleans on command) and the fact that nothing 'developmental' is going on there, only triage and eugenics.

Self-caused Disasters means Bush wants more power to sit on ass in national emergencies,& military arrest people, etc.


1. HAARPICANE right turn in middle of Gulf of Mexico to target New Orleans, then another odd veer to miss it only by 10-15 miles, hitting major oil rig areas. 300 mile wide storm.

2. clear New Orleans after U.S. Supreme Court ruled on "corporate eminent domain" where no one's property is safe from state backed corporate confiscation if someone submits a business plan on how much more money they "could" make (just a projection, though!) with your property. No one's property is safe. This is breaking the Constitution, an impeachable offense.

3. excuse for Northcom activation, i.e., international troop authorization for New Orleans areas. This is breaking the Constitution, an impeachable offense. Mexican troops will be in Katrina areas. Mexican troops are armed and in convoys.

4. excuse for FEMA activation. FEMA spends most of its money on building underground bases in a black budget, instead of on environmental rescue. FEMA is only a small section of DHS, headed by Israeli/U.S. dual citizen Rabbi Chertoff.

5. excuse for corporate subsidized 'development' and "urban renewal", 100 billion dollars estimated federal funds available. Bush 2004 Campaign head Joe Allbaugh (previously of war profiterring of Iraq, and Bush's 9-11 FEMA head, before Michael Brown) rushes to organize "private corprate response to Katrina." In other words, use his Bush and FEMA connections to get disaster contracts for Bush connected organizations. Profit all the way.

6. NATO's "dry run" of Plan Balboa: test out Plan Balboa's "rehearsal" (it is written into the plan), including electronic jamming of communication over large civilian areas, stopping/arresting of media, as called for in this invasion of Venezuela plan by US/NATO. (Northcom is staffed by NATO). This is breaking the Constitution, an impeachable offense.

7. Bush dictator pretexts for destroying Second Amendment rights, the RIGHT to bear arms, period. No excuses! The Right to bear arms and defend oneself from confiscation. Breaking the Constitution is an impeachable offense. Trivia for you: first large nation state to successfully register and confiscate citizen arms? Nazi Germany. Paramilitary mercenaries of Blackwater corporation, straght out of Iraq, are moved into occupy New Orleans. The Nazis operated with privately hired paramiltiary as well.

8. ethnic cleansing of highly coveted urban real estate, owned and operated by a majority Black Americans in New Orleans. Military is expeling them unconstitutionally from their property. This is breaking the Constitution ("secure in their persons and effects"), an impeachable offense.

9. another "go live" terror drill: Operation Katrina was done and planned out to the letter by ICM, which has Bush connections at Tulane University.

10. Operation Katrina was a substitute for failed "go live" nuclear terror drill of August 11, 2001 (where Four Star General Byrnes--then two of his loyalist network) were, respectively, arrested, killed, and killed. The other two murders of Byrnes's network occurred overseas within a day of each other.

11. As the Department of Defense called Hurricane Katrina, it is a "dry run" for the "expected" larger terrorist incident test and response in the United States.

12. intentionally cover for oil corporations to price gouge and destabalize U.S. economy, by destroying refineries, which are connected to the Bush family in many overlapping ways. Private oil corporations, comparing this year to last year, have 11% more reserves than the 2004. Still they gouge.

13. intentionally not react and see what happens. Bush plays the guitar. Condi Rice buys 1,000 dollars of shoes in NYC and sees a movie.

14. cover for dynamiting a canal to flood areas and steal real estate.

15. give the criminals at Halliburton more contracts. Already being done.

16. excuse to put in "trigger happy and war tested" National Guard to conduct martial law over Louisiana and other areas in Mississippi.

17. Breaking of posse commutatus excuse. This is breaking the Constitution, an impeachable offense.

18. Excuse to "mix" National Guards from different states to occupy one state: illegal and unconstitutionally. Soldiers do NOT have to follow unConstitutional orders. Some reports of National Guards being sent just as a pretext for breaking posse commutatus, and then not being allowed to do anything.

19. creating and subsidizing BUSHISTAN, a Texas-to-Florida military occupied territory and political dutchy of the Bush family, geostrategically in the center of Northcom that drains the federal budget for Bush related projects.

20. Killing off "endemic Democratic voters" in a place Republican corporatists want development. Paraphrase from Bush psychopaths about their lack of response to Katrina that exacerbated Katrina into the crisis they wanted: "so what? it's not like they voted for us."

21. excuse for Bush to play guitar, fiddling while Rome/New Orleans burns and floods. Bush on vacation still two days after Katrina hit. excuse for Condi Rice to buy 1,000 in shoes and take in a movie in NYC.

22. is what you will do to stop or impeach the Bush family in power for a catalogue of crimes.

Comment on the timeline here.

Particularly when natural disasters aren't so natural anymore (HAARP, chemtrails, and weather control), I'm particularly fascinated with the unheralded 'weather attack' on the Burmese junta via Cyclone Nargis--right on cue before a key election legitimates (rubberstamps) their novel constitution to extend the junta's powers.

Did some USA HAARPies decide to destabilize Burma at this point? The damage there is very severe.

All international flights canceled. Telephone and internet down, etc. Some townships with around 20% building structural collapse. Food distribution and roads turned to chaos. Prime time for an invasion from somewhere.

5/05/2008 10:36:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Perhaps it would look overly obvious if Bush smirked while saying this, so they put up his wife to decry "the Burmese state media" failing to warn its people in time or help them. If I was a psychologist, this looks like guilty behavior on the part of the Bush Administration to haarp on this and displace blame for something it did several years ago exactly:

No questions from the audience about her husband doing the same: the vote fraud Emperor vacationing at Crawford like a Burmese junta-of-one, though topping the junta there by actually playing guitar for the media, while New Orleans sank, and ordering the rescue teams not to rescue...though instead confiscate guns.

5/06/2008 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Buddy I just did something really DANGEROUS. I googled "mayo clinic and chunyi lin"

Bleed on brain stem completely healed

Sue Sivula of Maple Grove, Minnesota, had a bleed on the brain stem, which among other things, caused her eyes not to turn when she turned her head.

The neurosurgeon at the Hospital and the renowned Mayo Clinic in Rochester, wanted to operate, but not Sue.

After two visits with Master Chunyi Lin, the problem was completely gone. The neurosurgeon compared the before MRI with the after MRI and could only see a tiny residue.

Sue practices Qigong on most days for two thirty-minute sessions. "The ongoing benefits I receive far exceed any effort I must do in practicing Qigong," she says.

Sue Sivula

Dr. Neil Kay, Mayo Clinic cancer researcher ALSO recommends qigong master Chunyi Lin.

Mayo Cinic oncologist Dr. Nina Mishek just co-authored a qigong chapter with Chunyi Lin for a Mayo Clinic medical textbook.

Looks like you got all the proof you need Buddy! The Mayo Cinic is the TOP medical hospital in the world.

5/06/2008 08:46:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Mark..They may have wiped out the rice bowl to the world but the actual target is the oil shipping lanes that supply China.

5/06/2008 10:22:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

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5/07/2008 08:21:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

The smell of scum in the air.... he knows enough to twist things and intentionally does so. He's not as stupid as he looks and he gets violent, obviously to provoke. Whether he is under someone's wing or not who knows but he is trouble none the less which you will see in this video. Pick it apart for yourself. My impression... he's definitely 'on the job'. Beautiful newspaper clippings... he's getting away with everything... knows the info... Something ain't right and sooner or later this shit is going to hit the fan.

sheesh, what a freakshow!
"Nico"? got a surname?
not only an agent, but a clown of monstrous proportions. seriously, he reminded me of the 'french taunter' from monty python's 'holy grail' movie. "I'm acting like an actor',"go away or i shall taunt you a second time', 'i fart in your general direction', etc

5/07/2008 08:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fletcher, Fletcher, Fletcher, do you remember what they ultimately did with the flaunting and floundering, limbless knight in The Holy Grail? That's right, they just left him there, limbless and walked, or rode, away.

But not only that, Fletcher. How do you think a substantial number of New Yorkers feel about the 911 Truthers hanging out there at Ground Zero? They view them the same way the Truthers view Nico. Can you understand that they have that perception? Considering that, why even bother to engage this Nico guy, or why bother to demonstrate at Ground Zero, at all?

5/07/2008 09:13:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

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5/07/2008 10:59:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

because there are some people who still believe in Truth.
But I agree, the perception of 9/11 truthers is that of wackos because most people are stupid enough to believe Geraldo.
Any of the demonstrations that i have been a part of were completely peaceful, I have been threatened before at protests and the people who yell at us or throw things always make themselves look way crazier than we do.

5/07/2008 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These are good questions -- can a Muslim practice this or is it a banned "secret art"? Yes I've read the Quran and keep a copy out for quick access.

Is that healing I posted just a "1 in a 100" statistical coincidence? Or is this practice a consistent method for achieving results?

That's why I'm titling my book: THE SOUND SOUL: HOW HARMONICS HEAL.

I'm just so excited about how effective and how practical it is to use harmonics for healing in every day life. My muslim friend, Mustapha, has told me that I can sit "for hours on end" in full-lotus. Sure we joke that I am his "Kelb en Nasrani" or "Christian Dog," (haha!) but still Mustapha tells me that there are "no bad words" in his cafe. And so it is true with using words for healing. Chanting, prayer -- these are just free and universal examples of how people in all cultures use words for healing. Most language is based in emotions and even secularism -- science -- relies on focusing language into precise measurements for resonance -- contained matter of amplitude, phase, frequency and spin.

There are really no secrets here -- no need for special beliefs. All we have to do is understand the consistent terms in which resonance originally occurs -- the divergent sequence of the harmonic series. Sound, in its original form, is not contained. As sound resonates the form returns to the formless which is recognized in all religions as the source of the universe. When we listen to the source of sound then the natural resonance creates free healing energy. Sacred geometry is just the application of healing harmonics to the visual realm and this is why sacred geometry is a key practice in all religions. Even science is based on sacred geometry -- whether it's Buckyfullerenes from Platonic geometry or the spacetime cone of Minkowski.

The application of sacred geometry to harmonics means that we use only pure number without the attachment to language. This is why harmonics is impersonal and it's also why early religion did not allow the use of human images for worship. The tetrahedron resonates as a healing harmonic through the process of listening to the source of sound in our body and mind, thereby focusing the source of sound as the soul -- the heart which is beyond any visual place, with no start and no ending. By enacting the process of listening to sacred geometry we resonate with the source of our own I-thought and therefore logically infer the source of reality as something we can not visualize yet something that is real: pure consciousness.

5/07/2008 12:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you are a Pharisee.
And espouse the "sacred geometry" of the masons.
sit in full lotus forever.
Qigong is just another in a long line of false religions.

and Chunyi Lin or whatever his name is just another false prophet.

5/07/2008 12:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's quite obvious that Nico is really post-facelift David Johansen of the New York Dolls.


"I was drivin out tonite
And boys I was gone
The coppers asked me
Where do I come from
One looks at my cards
One checks my ID
With this junk on my face

It's easy to see

(I'm from) Babylon
(I gotta get away, to) Babylon
(I can't stay) Babylon
(Havin too much fun) Babylon

I gotta run, I cant look back
I gotta get back, I get down
I gotta get around to Babylon

Let's go to Babylon boys
Two girls for every boy

Well a Babylon girl aint got no past
The Babylon girl gots to talk so fast
The Babylon men gonna be a boy
With the Babylon girl out lookin for a joy"


"Something must have happened over Manhattan
Who can expound all the children this time
Could they ever, could they ever
Expect such a Frankenstein, Frankenstein
I remember when you were jammin'
You worked at 'em and any of them
There was never nothing you would eve understand
But you know who was there to be your master
Making his demands and plans
As though he's making his friends
And when those plans they don't mix your style
You get a feeling of your own ordeal
That's when he starts calling you, wow
Bud, you just don't know what to do
So now you come around here
And you're trying to take over the town
Just because of back home, baby
Oh, he puts you down
Oh, baby, how he puts you down
I know they put you down

So now, you're off starting 'round here
Here you ask and demand
In a place where they don't expect nothing
You're trying not to dirty your hands
When asking you as a person
Is it a crime, is it a crime
For you to fall in love with Frankenstein
Is it wrong, could it be wrong
Wrong, baby, don't you want a friend
Cause you're trying to be so selective
You never realize the whole time
Who's the one you're loving
Misunderstood like a Frankenstein
And down, down, down, just go just down
Like Frankenstein, like Frankenstein

So now you're telling me
What everytime you can get down home
Well don't you know there's place, it is my home
So where am I gonna go
You know, when you don't expect nothing
You know, when you're not alone, you know you're not alone
Cause something must have happened over them higher
Who can expound all the children this time
Could you ever, could you ever
Expect such a Frankenstein, Frankenstein, Frankenstein

And all this shoes are too big
And house jacket's too small
How you don't know Frankenstein, a Frankenstein
We're asking yu as a person
Is it a crime, is it a crime
For you to fall in love in with Frankenstein
Wrong, could it be wrong
Baby, don't you want a friend
Well, Frankenstein, oh, Frankenstein, Frankenstein
You're gonna get it, you're gonna get it
You're gonna get it, from Frankenstein
That's what I'm gonna shout about
Gonna scream about, I'm gonna shout about, scream about
Scream about, shout about a Frankenstein
Frankenstein, Frankenstein, Frankenstein

I've gotta ask you one question
Do you think that you could make it with Frankenstein?"

It's time to give the cops a break. Making them look like co-conspirators is just plain wrong.
Policemen are busy, busy, busy.
They don't have time for cry-babies who take offense at a little touch.

They have more important things to do:

5/07/2008 01:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was just reading the below book. It’s the same as qigong and yoga — only it’s the dominant culture for 90% of human history. The males vaporize their sex energy to create boiling heat which they can shoot out of their bodies — through their pineal gland and fingers — as light. The light enables spirit travel, seeing into other bodies, smelling rotting flesh inside people — cancer — and finally physical transformation.

Healing Makes Our Hearts Happy

By Richard Katz and Megan Biesele

June 15, 2003 | Cultural Survival Quarterly | Issue 27.2

Oma Djo, a highly respected elderly Ju/’hoan healer, referred to n/om spiritual energy as something that “helps keep us alive.” N/om lies at the heart of the Ju/’hoan practice of healing, a practice that follows the pattern of classical shamanism. During all-night community healing dances, n/om boils within the healers to create an altered state of consciousness (ASC) called !aia. Experiencing !aia, the healers can interact with the realm of the gods and release the healing effects of n/om, which become available to all in attendance.

As recently as the 1960s, the Ju/’hoansi (also known as !Kung San or Bushmen) of the /Kae/kae area in the Kalahari Desert in Botswana subsisted primarily through hunting and gathering. At the most basic level of Ju/’hoan existence is the land—Ju’hoansi’s home, which they call their n!ore. The n!ore is where they exist—physically, emotionally, and spiritually. The n!ore feeds the Ju’hoansi bush foods, social support, and spiritual sustenance. “Our n!ore is who we are,” said =Oma Djo.

But inroads of a capitalistic economy—expressed locally through cattle ownership by the Tswana and Herero people living in the /Kae/kae area—have eroded the Ju/’hoan hunting-gathering base without providing them with viable subsistence options. “The cattle have taken over our place,” said =Oma Djo, “and sucked the land dry of its water.” As layers of oppression are introduced in everyday Ju/’hoan life by multinational corporations, nation-states and their religious and educational institutions, and in the Kae/kae area by the ruling Tswana and Herero, the healing dance tends to be removed from its strong community base where the healing effects of n/om were once shared by all. The capitalistic ethic has shown it cannot easily tolerate such a sharing context with open and easy access to healing.

At the same time, forces of resistance and revitalization among the Ju/’hoansi are increasingly present. Community-based groups have built on their shared communal purposes—which include restoring their land base, empowering themselves politically and economically, and sustaining institutions of Ju/’hoansi self-determination—to demand government support for local development projects. Ju/’hoan voices, always articulate about their needs and visions but previously excluded from government-sponsored gatherings that decided their futures, are now heard at such gatherings—and remain articulate.
The Healing Dance

The healing dance is the primary ritual of Ju/’hoan life. It is one of the main vehicles for maintaining harmony and consensus in Ju/’hoan society. As the Ju/’hoan struggle for land and self-determination builds, we can ponder what contributions the healing dance and its activation of n/om may make. How is the healing power of n/om related to the contemporary Ju/’hoan struggle for self-determination? What contribution, if any, will the healers and their work with n/om make to this struggle? We are not proposing answers; only a series of considerations. In this reflective effort, our guiding principle will be =Oma Djo’s statement: “N/om is just the same as long ago, even though it keeps on changing.”

N/om and its healing function seem relatively unchanged in many ways. From the time of our first research in /Kae/kae in 1968 until the time of the second piece of research in 1989, and onward until the present, Ju/’hoan healing has shown the key elements of classic shamanism: healers enter an altered state of consciousness to interact with the spirit world, often by traveling to God’s village to provide healing on behalf of the community.

Boiling n/om is a painful, frightening experience; healers need courage and strength to accept the boiling within, which is said to be “hot and burning, just like fire.” It makes healers cry and writhe in agony. A death is required to enter the altered state of !aia, in which the healer is reborn to be able to heal. “In !aia your heart stops,” said /Ui, a powerful healer. “You’re dead; your thoughts are nothing. You breathe with difficulty … You see spirits killing people. You smell burning, rotten flesh. Then you heal, you pull sickness out. You heal, heal, heal. Then you live.”
Journey to God’s Village

To meet the gods and thereby rescue the sick, the healers must travel to God’s village. They “slip out of their skins” and leave their bodies. =Oma Djo said leaving his body was like “breathing, like your breath leaving your mouth.” Sometimes healers become lions or other animals in order to travel more rapidly. “You feel like the wind. Your breath turns into an animal, and your soul changes,” said =Oma !’Homg!ausi, another strong healer, about the transformation.

Outside their bodies, the healers climb the tortuously thin and fragile “threads” or “wires to the sky” that lead to God’s village. These threads can break—and the fall to earth is frightening. =Oma Djo put the function and gift of these threads into the perspective of one who knows about the workings of n/om. He described how such a thin thread can carry healers:

Isn’t the thread a thing of n/om, so it just has its own strength? You learn to work with it. You learn to do it, to lie on top of it. You come to know it well. You watch and watch where it’s going until you can see straight where it’s going. … The one who helps you climb is God.

The healing dance and the healers’ work with n/om is meant to benefit the community. The community activates n/om at the dance, and receives its healing effects. When healers are asked why they seek boiling n/om, given the pain and struggle of the journey, the answer is almost universal: “We seek to become healers so we can heal the people.”
Changes in N/om Healing

=Oma Djo said that in many ways n/om is “just the same as long ago,” retaining many ancient characteristics of a classic shamanic nature. On the other hand, n/om and its healing function seem to be changing, as any vibrant spiritual practice must.

Several important changes occurred between 1968 and 1989. It seemed that in 1989 more healers, even those still in the early stages of learning, talked about experiencing the more intense forms of !aia, such as traveling to God’s village and turning into animals in order to heal from great distances. At the same time, there was more doubt and questioning among the young—especially those who had completed all the schooling available to /Kae/kae villagers—about the reality and efficacy of Ju/’hoan healing. Some of these young people questioned such aspects of the healing work as healers’ ability to turn into lions, or to climb the threads to God’s village. Others questioned the general healing efficacy of n/om.

There was also more discussion in 1989 about healers wanting to be paid for their efforts, though we did not notice any being paid. Payment goes against the historical characteristic of Ju/’hoan healing, namely that it should be made freely available to all who come to the healing dance. There also seemed to be more discussion about not inviting all the camps at /Kae/kae to dances, which are typically held in one camp or another. We did not actually observe such exclusory actions in either 1968 or 1989. But both these differences in what was being discussed reflected the commercial thrust of the incoming capitalistic ethos, and the way it distributes valued and limited resources so as to exclude some people.

Other changes in the daily lives of the Ju/’hoansi of /Kae/kae have caused lessening of respect for the healing dance and its n/om, and a decrease in the practice’s influence in the community. One change came in the mid-1970s when home brew alcohol became widely available via military border camps between what was then South West Africa (now Namibia) and Botswana. The Ju/’hoansi have always maintained that alcohol and n/om do not mix; that becoming drunk prevents one from experiencing !aia and thereby being able to heal. When Ju/’hoansi attend a dance drunk, they usually become disruptive. Another change came in 1974 when a mobile clinic—now the permanent clinic—began visiting the area. The clinic promotes a Western biomedical approach to health and sickness. All too frequently it dispenses penicillin as a cure-all for ailments that the dance historically treated. A third major change came in 1976 when a government school opened. The school curriculum does not support the healing dance and its spiritual approach to healing. Teachers discourage students from attending the all-night healing dances, saying it interferes with their attendance at school the next day.
N/om’s Potential in the Struggle for Self-Determination

We cannot predict where these changes will lead. A people’s realization about the weakening of their healing tradition can bring a concerted effort toward revitalization. Whatever the future, because the healing dance remains a central experience of contemporary Ju/’hoan life, it is appropriate to reflect on any contributions it might make to the Ju/’hoan struggle for self-determination. The following thoughts and questions could facilitate such a discussion:

The Ju/’hoan healing dance at its foundation is a process of community healing, an experience through which the people who participate in the dance can heal rifts within the community, making the community whole. Ju/’hoan often say: “Let’s have a dance. We haven’t seen each other enough.” They are seeking time to talk things over, to come together, to be healed together. Could a community that heals itself express a common will and capacity to bring power to its own people?

Drawing on the social structure and values of the Ju/’hoan hunting-gathering mode, the healing dance is a community experience of egalitarianism, harmony, and sharing. During the dance, a valued resource (healing) is made renewable and available to all, rather than hoarded and given to the few who are in power. Can the expression and promotion of such values during the dance provide strength in the struggle to make capitalism more responsive to the needs of all, especially those historically denied access?

“N/om is our thing. N/om is a Ju/’hoan thing,” said =Oma Djo, expressing a common feeling among the Ju/’hoansi. Others have said that n/om is a “human thing.” Could this identification with the healing and spiritual power of n/om provide a psychological, cultural, and spiritual strength that could favorably impact the Ju/’hoan ability to meet current challenges to their community? Healers need courage, confidence, and vision to face the painful and fearful experience of boiling n/om, to enter the unknown and often frightening territories of !aia. Can this courage, confidence, and vision serve the healers and their community in the difficult negotiations needed to secure economic and cultural resources, especially since some healers have become active participants in these political negotiations?

When =Oma Djo spoke of !aia, he spoke of the feeling healers have of becoming more essential. “I want to have a dance soon,” he said, “so that I can feel myself again.” Could this connection with what feels essential within oneself support the conviction and strength of identity needed in the struggle for community self-determination?

Finally, if opportunities to practice Ju/’hoan healing remain open to all who choose to follow the path of boiling n/om, and if many continue to take up the challenge, could the movement offer a catalyst to the larger efforts at socio-political empowerment? As =Oma Djo put it, “If you have n/om, you know things … You see how things are.” He referred to community and relations, to conflicts and visions of resolution. “After a dance, my heart feels happy,” =Oma Djo said.

“We Ju/’hoansi don’t dance to settle issues about our land,” he said. But the dances still seem to have an influence on these issues. Having a “happy heart” is a powerful experience for the Ju/’hoansi; it speaks of a sense of wholeness and completeness in the community, an experience that “sets things right.”

The way healers, healing, and n/om contribute to the Ju/’hoan struggle for self-determination will be guided by their own communities’ responses to forces of economic and political oppression. Meanwhile, this struggle for self-determination continues within the context of the increasing globalization of resources, the increasing control exerted by local nation states, and the increasing strength, vision, and power of the worldwide indigenous peoples’ movement.
Richard Katz ( is a professor at First Nations University of Canada and works in the area of community healing. In addition to his books about Ju/’hoan healing, he has written about Fijian healing in The Straight Path of the Spirit. Megan Biesele helped found the Kalahari Peoples Fund in 1973 and is currently its coordinator. Her research and activism range from San healing and folklore to human rights issues.
Relatives of =Oma Djo, a deceased Ju/’hoan healer, can be reached at: c/o Nyae Nyae Conservancy, P.O. Box 45, Grootfontein, Namibia.
For more information about the Ju/’hoansi and their efforts at self-determination, including ways to help, please contact the Kalahari Peoples’ Fund, a U.S. nonprofit organization: Kalahari Peoples Fund, P.O. Box 7855, Austin, Texas, U.S.A. 78713-7855. You can also visit the Web site for information and to make online contributions:
References and further reading
Katz, R., Biesele, M., & St. Denis, V. (1997). Healing Makes Our Hearts Happy: Spirituality and Cultural Transformation Among the Kalahari Ju/’hoansi. Rochester, Vermont: Inner Traditions.
Katz, R. (1982). Boiling Engery: Community Healing Among the Kalahari Kung. Cambridge, Massachussetts: Harvard University Press.

5/07/2008 11:29:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

The Bush Administration carrying out 9-11 is not such a minority opinion anymore.

someone said:

"How do you think a substantial number of New Yorkers feel about the 911 Truthers hanging out there at Ground Zero?

A large amount of them are sympathetic of 9-11 truthers there I imagine, given these polls.

How do you know, from what information?

Au contraire...


There was that Zogby poll of New York City back in 2004, where 50% of New York City felt the Bush Administration was responsible for 9-11.

Half of NYers Believe US Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and Failed To Act
author: John Zogby International Polls

newswire article reposts united states 30.Aug.2004 18:05
9.11 investigation dnc & rnc actions
Half of NYers Believe US Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and Failed To Act
author: John Zogby

Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and "Consciously Failed" To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York's Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals

On the eve of a Republican National Convention invoking 9/11 symbols, sound bytes and imagery, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act," according to the poll conducted by Zogby International. The poll of New York residents was conducted from Tuesday August 24 through Thursday August 26, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/-3.5.

[So, I'm sure the 9-11 truthers at Ground Zero are popularly seen in NYC as true American heros against this Administration, actually.]

The poll is the first of its kind conducted in America that surveys attitudes regarding US government complicity in the 9/11 tragedy.

Despite the acute legal and political implications of this accusation, nearly 30% of registered Republicans and over 38% of those who described themselves as "very conservative" supported the claim.

The charge found very high support among adults under 30 (62.8%), African-Americans (62.5%), Hispanics (60.1%), Asians (59.4%), and "Born Again" Evangelical Christians (47.9%).

[That demographic issue of believability is very interesting, in other words only 'white bread' America is having a dissociated hard time with wrapping their head around the idea that 'white people' did 9-11 (instead of the stereotype of 'dark skin' doing the crimes)? It's much more plausible for U.S. ethnic minorities, given the racial history of the USA closer in their minds.]

Less than two in five (36%) believe that the 9/11 Commission had "answered all the important questions about what actually happened on September 11th," and two in three (66%) New Yorkers (and 56.2% overall) called for another full investigation of the "still unanswered questions" by Congress or Elliot Spitzer, New York's Attorney General.

Self-identified "very liberal" New Yorkers supported a new inquiry by a margin of three to one, but so did half (53%) of "very conservative" citizens across the state.

The call for a deeper probe was especially strong from Hispanics (75.6%), African-Americans (75.3%) citizens with income from $15-25K (74.3%), women (62%) and Evangelicals (59.9%).

[Once more only the 'white bread middle class' seems to have a difficulty wrapping their head around it. Everyone else, by 2004, showed a majority support for the position of Bush complicity or the idea of the investigation as merely a cover up.]

W. David Kubiak, executive director of, the group that commissioned the poll, expressed genuine surprise that New Yorkers' belief in the administration's complicity is as high or higher than that seen overseas.

"We're familiar with high levels of 9/11 skepticism abroad where there has been open debate of the evidence for US government complicity. On May 26th the Toronto Star reported a national poll showing that 63% of Canadians are also convinced US leaders had 'prior knowledge' of the attacks yet declined to act. There was no US coverage of this startling poll or the facts supporting the Canadians' conclusions, and there has been virtually no debate on the victim families' scores of still unanswered questions. I think these numbers show that most New Yorkers are now fed up with the silence, and that politicians trying to exploit 9/11 do so at their peril.

The 9/11 case is not closed and New York's questions are not going away."

Nicholas Levis of, an advisor on the poll, agrees, "The 9/11 Commission gave us a plenty of 'recommendations', but far more plentiful were the discrepancies, gaps and omissions in their supposedly 'final' report.

How can proposals based on such deficient findings ever make us safe? We think these poll numbers are basically saying, 'Wait just a minute. What about the scores of still outstanding questions? What about the unexplained collapses of WTC 7, our air defenses, official accountability, the chain of command on 9/11, the anthrax, insider trading & FBI field probes?

There's so much more to this story that we need to know about.' When such a huge majority of New Yorkers want a new investigation, it will be interesting to see how quickly Attorney General Spitzer and our legislators respond."

SCOPE: The poll covered five areas of related interest: 1) Iraq - do New Yorkers think that our leaders "deliberately misled" us before the war (51.2% do); 2) the 9/11 Commission - did it answer all the "important questions" (only 36% said yes); 3) the inexplicable and largely unreported collapse of the third WTC skyscraper on 9/11 - what was its number (28% of NYC area residents knew); [only a quarter of even New York City residents knew about that in 2004! Talk about the power of the media to misshape their world.]
4) the question on complicity; and 5) how many wanted a new 9/11 probe. All inquiries about questions, responses and demographics should be directed to Zogby International.

SPONSOR: is a coalition of researchers, journalists and victim family members working to expose and resolve the hundreds of critical questions still swirling around 9/11, especially the nearly 400 questions that the Family Steering Committee filed with the 9/11Commission which they fought to create. Initially welcomed by the commissioners as a "road map" for their inquiry, these queries cut to the heart of 9/11 crimes and accountability. Specifically, they raised the central issues of motive, means and cui bono (who profited?). But the Commission ignored the majority of these questions, opting only to explore system failures, miscommunications and incompetence. The victim families' most incisive issues remain unaddressed to this day. The Zogby International poll was also cosponsored by Walden Three ( and 9/11 Citizens Watch (, a watchdog group which has monitored the Commission since its inception and will release its findings, "The 9/11 Omission Report," in several weeks.

On September 9th and 11th, will cosponsor two large successive inquiries in New York, a preliminary 9/11 Citizens Commission hearing and "Confronting the Evidence: 9/11 and the Search for Truth," a research-focused evidentiary forum. These inquiries will examine many of the 9/11 Commission-shunned questions and discuss preparation of a probable cause complaint demanding a grand jury and criminal investigation from the New York Attorney General. Possible charges range from criminal negligence and gross dereliction of duty to foreknowledge, complicity and subsequent obstruction of justice. For details and developments, see For press info, contact Kyle Hence 212-243-7787

Zogby International conducted interviews of 808 adults chosen at random in New York State. All calls were made from Zogby International headquarters in Utica, N.Y., from 8/24/04 through 8/26/04. The margin of error is +/- 3.5 percentage points. Slight weights were added to region, party, age, race, religion, and gender to more accurately reflect the population. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups.

[ Click Here For Methodology ]

New Poll -- 63% OF CANADIANS BELIEVE U.S. Had Prior Knowledge of 9/11, & did NOTHING
author: release

Germans know fascism when they see it:33% Germans under 30 think US did 9-11;68% media lie
author: reuters

And the U.S. national white population, still trapped behind the "consolidated media Berlin Wall", seem to be slowing waking up to what happened.


Thursday, August 3, 2006

Was 9/11 an 'inside job'?


More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.

The national survey of 1,010 adults also found that anger against the federal government is at record levels, with 54 percent saying they "personally are more angry" at the government than they used to be.



September 11, 2006

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The percentage of Americans who blame the Bush administration for the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington has risen from almost a third to almost half over the past four years, a CNN poll released Monday found.

Asked whether they blame the Bush administration for the attacks, 45 percent said either a "great deal" or a "moderate amount," up from 32 percent in a June 2002 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.

Other statements:

HELLYER, Former Minister of National Defense, CANADA , goes on record about 9-11 standdown
author: repost
He compares 9-11 standdown to FDR's Pearl Harbor standdown: "There are so many questions. But, you say, what is going wrong here? Or, was there [even] something going wrong [at all]? How much did they actually know? And you get into very deep territory because it's the same kind of thing as we saw with [the allowances and baiting for the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor....[to launch the U.S. into WWII]."

EU Parliamentarian Supports 9-11 Truth Movement, Calls for WORLDWIDE 9-11 Inquiry
We have watched with alarm that the sad and tragic events of 9-11 (11 September, 2001) have resulted in two wars and a global rollback in civil liberties....I submit to you that BEFORE any more wars are launched or liberties are lost in the name of the war on terror launched by the Bush Administration after 9-11 . . . a "full international inquiry" into the events leading up to and on 9-11 be held...many, including the 9-11 Family Steering Committee (U.S.), are growing increasingly frustrated with the stunning lack of hard questions for witnesses appearing before the 9-11 Commission. Until these hard questions are asked and fully answered . . . we should refuse more wars, and renounce reduced liberty worldwide in the name of 9-11 and it's resultant war on terror. A few of these questions are:....

The German Minister Von Bülow Interview on 9-11: Segments From Lenny Bloom's Interview
author: repost
FYI, From 2002, Former German Minister Von Bülow has been publicly talking--about how transparent this coup and war attempt is in the USA. Take it from a German: by the 21st century they are a bit immune to fascist manipulation and the politics of hate. Learn something America. "The Means, Motive and Opportunities of the 9-11 Crime is the right place to start." "If what I say is right, the whole U.S. government should end up behind bars." - Andreas von Bülow Head of German Intel Agency BND (Germany's CIA)

And recently a Japanese Diet member held forth about the Bush Administration's complicity in 9-11, as one rationale why Japan should stop sending its troop into the Middle East under American leadership connected with the 9-11 lies by them.

And ex-Italian President (the one that outed Gladio) mentioned in an interview that he felt many intelligence services were quite aware that 9-11 was carried out by association with the U.S. and Israeli intelligence apparatus.

5/08/2008 02:53:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

and of course, do you you think that the PTB are real worried about us?
And by us I mean people who actually protest this war?
not so much and not yet to be sure but they have been developing non-lethal weapons to fight against civilian uprisings and "domestic terrorists" (which of course they would love for you to see 9/11 truthers and war protesters fall into that group)
And some of these weapons they rolled out for the RNC in NYC. Then there are the weapons that they don't show you.
And if you think that it's a waste of time...
"How much is your soul worth?"

5/08/2008 08:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Zogby Poll? Are you joking? He's a tool of the Mockingbird Press, for Christ's Sake, but when he conducts some polls that are in favor of your supposition, you're conveniently willing to ignore that fact, just like you ignore Wikipedia's deceit when it suits your purposes. You can't have it both ways. You compromise your credibility when you use The Machine to justify your rantings against The Machine. When you do so, you're not using The Machine, The Machine's using you.

Also, assuming Zogby's poll is trustworthy and accurate, which I highly doubt, the result is far from conclusive as to its specific interpretation. Assuming 50% of New Yorkers really do believe Bush did 911, it doesn't necessarily follow that they naturally identify themselves with the 911 Demonstrators at Ground Zero, anymore than the 911 Demonstrators at Ground Zero identify themselves with Nico.

5/08/2008 09:20:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Rudi's poll is the only poll that counts.

5/08/2008 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've checked for an update every day so far this week!

5/08/2008 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He's too busy defending DU on the Big Board. Who cares, anyway? The comments are what makes this place.

5/08/2008 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Deus ex Machina, actually. you're the tool of the machine shiners.

5/08/2008 12:40:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Depleted Uranium? there are people on the big board that think the threat's NOT real? It's real.
Buty no one is talking about it anymore.
No one knows what it is.
That's a sad commentary on how interested people are in the "war".

5/08/2008 12:46:00 PM  
Blogger Nyarlathotep said...

When, oh when, is the new post coming? Oh where, oh where can it be? With it's thought provoking topics and shudder inducing implications, oh where, oh where can it be?

I have checked back every day since the first tease and now it is going on what, three weeks or so? Has anyone gone by Jeff's house for a welfare checkup? I mean I have seen some long intervals in between posts but this is getting weird.

5/08/2008 12:52:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

My credibility? I have a name. YOU don't. I'm unable to see why your 'title' should lend credibility instead of suspicion, anonymouse, when it doesn't link to someone tangible.

We can play cat and mouse if you want though.

Let's address these issues:

"A Zogby Poll? Are you joking? He's a tool of the Mockingbird Press, for Christ's Sake,...

Attacking individuals with glittering generalities without substantiation is prime Mockingbird strategy. If you oppose this strategy, don't use it yourself.

However, back to the cheese, mouse.

It was was not conducted BY Zogby. It was paid for by that 9-11 group, and the Zogby professionals and their call center conducted the data gathering.

If your unsubstantiated claim was true, that Zogby rigged the polls of this 911 group for the benefit of keeping people ambivalent about their self-awareness of exactly how many people feel Bush conducted state terrorism in New York City, then we would expect HIGHER NUMBERS you are saying. I don't think that really supports you to bring this up.

And the issue was not Zogby. The issue was that multiple different groups triangulate on the same numbers. The same percentages that believe Bush did 9-11--that Bush traitors blew up New York City and the Pentagon to launch their wars, make lots of money, and turn the U.S. into a fascist surveillance dystopia like East Germany--with police state laws they had already written up before 'events' of the day, laws that were quickly passed without reading them.

Thus it's hard to argue that the laws were response to terrorism. Instead, terrorism was a provoked response to the elite desire to pass these laws.

Even the 9-11 group expressed surprise it was such a big issue already by 2004--

- with HALF of New York thinking Bush blew up their city,

- and even MORE THAN HALF of ethnic minorities believing Bush blew up their city.

- Even half of evangelicals in New York state believed that Bush blew up their city.

- MORE THAN HALF of women believed that Bush blew up their city.

- The only one who is having a hard time in the USA with this information is the 'minority' of white males. That's what is so interesting to me. Why is everyone else getting it right, and the only outlier is the demographic of white males? White males tend to be the only groups that underestimate environmental risks as well, in some other surveys I have seen....when everyone else agrees on them.

Besides, we aren't talking about only one poll and the the issue was not Zogby so don't get bogged down or fixate on one outlet. Look at the bigger picture.

Since many of the surveys by DIFFERENT agencies (and different funders and different random samplings) have turned up the same percentages and percentage spreads, this is security that these numbers are meaningfully accurate.

If your claim is true that all polls were rigged across these different agencies, governmental areas, etc., around the world, then the only conclusion would be that the numbers are really higher. That is what you are arguing. That is the implication of what you say.

another squeak:

"Assuming 50% of New Yorkers really do believe Bush did 911, it doesn't necessarily follow that they naturally identify themselves with the 911 Demonstrators at Ground Zero, anymore than the 911 Demonstrators at Ground Zero identify themselves with Nico."

Backup a bit. Do some research before you state your conclusion. Did you poll them? No. So, you don't know. It is up to you to provide evidence. Since you don't.... time to change your anonymous Blogger handle and reincarnate to come back as someone else.


said above:

"When, oh when, is the new post coming? Oh where, oh where can it be? With it's thought provoking topics and shudder inducing implications, oh where, oh where can it be?

I have checked back every day since the first tease and now it is going on what, three weeks or so? Has anyone gone by Jeff's house for a welfare checkup? I mean I have seen some long intervals in between posts but this is getting weird."

I think I understand where Jeff went. Even if wrong, perhaps a suitable intermission.

5/08/2008 12:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Polls are a fine institution. They should be trotted out again & again as proof of some point or another.
They are an unimpeachable source for "the truth." Or, at least, whatever version of "the truth" one wishes to sell at one particular point in space/time.

Here are some other things Americans believe:

65% couldn't describe the basic facts about Watergate
56% think in war, the media should support the government over questioning it
48% say the news media acted responsibly during the Clinton Wars
45% characterized Watergate was "just politics"
43% attended religious services in the previous 7 days
40% believe the media was biased in favor of Bill Clinton
35% say the government should not fund stem cell research
34% think Rock and Roll has had an overall negative impact on America
33% believe a wife should "submit herself graciously" to a husband
30% say the Bible is the "actual word of God" to be taken literally
29% think people will be "more likely" to afford college for their kids in 2020
28% disapprove of labor unions on principle
28% say the government should have the right to control news reports
27% believe divorce is "morally wrong"
26% thought various disasters in 1999 might "foreshadow the wrath of God"
26% think grade-school teachers should be allowed to spank their kids
24% describe themselves as interested in what celebrities think
21% told a pollster they'd never met that they had cheated in a relationship
21% say justice was served in the O.J. Simpson case
20% approve of the how the Catholic Church handles pedophilia
20% believe that the killing of civilians in Vietnam was "relatively rare"
15% were upset at Diana Spencer's death like "someone you knew"
12% think the United States should have a British-style royal family
11% stockpiled food and water in advance of Y2K
11% think "Titanic" was the best American movie of the 20th century
11% would like "Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman" as their personal physician
10% would eat a rat or an insect on a "reality" TV show
10% think it's advantageous to be a woman in American society
10% believe Oswald acted alone
10% say they are "very likely" to become rich someday
8% could not name a single TV network
8% fear they are "very likely" to be shot or badly hurt by a stranger
7% think Elvis is possibly still alive
6% say Garth Brooks is the best male singer of the 20th century
5% are ?very afraid? of thunder and lightning
5% would be "more likely" to buy food labeled as genetically modified
3% wanted to see the questions on "Millionaire" become less difficult

5/08/2008 02:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The amazing thing is, Mark, The Real Ground Zero never made any claims, unlike you. And, you falsely claim that The Real Ground Zero made claims, which, of course, The Real Ground Zero didn't.

The above is more than a claim. It is a statement of fact.

5/08/2008 02:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about this one, VD. 73% of respondents would vote for Arnold Schwarzenegger for President if he was allowed to run.

5/08/2008 03:07:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Schizophrenic multiple personality Blogger handles (linking videos behind which the same someone hides) that bring up "other polls you disagree with" is a red herring that doesn't delegitimate the practice of polling or previous information I posted. It just shows our wonderfully multifaceted world, eh? Beautiful, eh?

To truly delegitimate it you would have to find polls that reported something different. I know of some people who have written on the questionable assumptions of positivist science, and I quite agree, though even they don't claim (like some above) that everything is individualistically subjective.

Individual subjectivity and nothing else is just the novel claim of the power structures of the American 'freedom loving individualist' empire, and its flip side the controlled corporate surveillance Matrix. Another video interlude might be to watch producer Adam Curtis's "Century of the Self" on this point, on the global 'empire of manipulated individualism', a documentary over at Google Video.)

The Century Of The Self - Part 1 of 4 - By Adam Curtis
"how those in power have used Freud's theories to try and control the dangerous crowd in an age of mass democracy." - Adam Curtis

5/08/2008 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Critics will probably accuse Curtis, as they did after The Power of Nightmares, of being paranoid himself - of seeing in government policies a sinister plot to control the populace by tricking them. "But I've never believed that anyone's bad," the 51-year-old Curtis insists, bouncing restlessly around the Soho office where he's editing the series. "People do bad things because they're forced into circumstances. Journalists always want to find a smoking gun - people sitting in rooms saying 'let's bomb Iraq'." As for what happened to the concept of freedom, he says: "I don't think there are baddies in this. I think our leaders, and us, in the belief that they were trying to find freedom, have gone down a road that's led us into a trap, towards a world without meaning or purpose. We're complicit."

Curtis enjoys an extraordinary latitude in his filmmaking: in a post-Hutton BBC, it was extraordinary that he was allowed to make The Power of Nightmares at all. (It put noses out of joint at the corporation, which commissioned another documentary, The New Al-Qaida, essentially a riposte.) "I love the BBC," Curtis says. "It's so complex that no-one can control it. My job is to swim in the chaos and use it to my advantage." The BBC had its own experience of internal-market culture, with similar effects to the trolleys-and-beds fiasco detailed in the film. "Actually, though, the Birtian revolution was fine," Curtis says. "It just meant more chaos."

It might also surprise his critics on the right that Curtis doesn't buy the standard anti-Bush critique that the "war on terror" turned the imaginary threat into a real one. "There's very little evidence that there actually has been the rise of an organised al-Qaida network," he says. From the media's point of view, he argues, "all you have to do is call yourself Al-Qaida In Islington, and you're part of an organised network." The trick "is to step back. If there's one thing that links all I do, it's trying to make people pull back, look at their time. All the news journalists now are so obsessed by the idea of 24-hour news that they have no idea what it all means."

So, Mark, upon review, Curtis' general theme is that this is all good intentions gone afoul. Nobody's really to blame. Instead, we're all to blame. But that's at direct odds with your persistent thesis, yet you advertise for Curtis. As Silverfox was fond of saying, hmmmmm, lol.

Mr. Curtis seems to get this done at the BBC against all odds. Imagine that. I wonder why? Luck, yeah, that was it, luck. The BBC's so complex that they just couldn't stop ol Adam from producing and airing his documentary.

5/08/2008 08:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vaginal Dentures wrote:

<<21% told a pollster they'd never met that they had cheated in a relationship>>

What's your point? Are you suggesting that it would have been ok, in fact preferable, to lie to these pollsters because they were strangers?

5/08/2008 08:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Today I read Stan Gooch's new book, "The Neanderthal Legacy: Reawakening our genetic and cultural origins" (2008). It was amazing and really inspiring, especially since Gooch and I exchanged several letters while he was writing this book. He basically argues that we have two brains since the cerebellum is 75% as large as the cerebrum, based on their relative cortex area. Also the cerebellum is MORE advanced in terms of neuron connections -- by several orders of magnitude. Finally only in mammals does the cerebellum have its own separate connections with the body-mind perceptions. He points out that this coevolution of the cerebellum occurred when dreaming also developed, which is not practiced by reptiles. He states that this dreaming reality enables telepathy, psychic healing, telekinesis, precognition, and even shape-shifting.

Essentially Gooch's book is my new bible. I really think this is his best book.

When I'm sitting in full-lotus having O at a Ds with females I'm using my cerebellum brain, based in seeing with my pineal gland. This is the autonomic nervous system -- what would normally be "subconscious desire" -- is activated and fulfilled right then and there. It's amazing.

Meanwhile I can carry on a completely normal, intellectual conversation at the same time, using my cerebrum brain.

People who see me sitting in full-lotus, with my adam's apple pulsating, a big grin on my face. Well their reaction depends on their own energy and how it interacts with mine! Also which brain they are using at the moment! haha.

To write about it in further detail is too dangerous I think. Yes I'm too radical for modern civilization. But in real time I can adjust to the situation without too much problem, although sometimes things get a bit sticky! haha.

5/08/2008 08:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Morgus said.

when you say above "Hurricane Katrina (and its strange 90 degree right turns and whatnot to hit New Orleans on command)"

You have any links to that?
I don't wanna be leechy, however there's no time to jump down that hole. So I was hoping you might be able to provide an escalator to the first few levels of this particular hole?


5/08/2008 10:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You dont need to post. Your audience is perfectly happy just having a comments thread to soapbox.

5/09/2008 02:38:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

6 hours reading Alex Constantine Mark?

Geez, that really explains a lot.


5/09/2008 04:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,earth to Jeff,come in please,do you read me,come in.Aw,what the fuck,no one here really gives a shit if Jeff even shows up anymore.Fuctedor,you and I should hook up in Rochester and bop up there to Toronto to check on the guy.I'm getting this strange feeling it's all over but the crying.Someone change the name America to the nation of "Dumbfuckerstan",everything you once thought was wrong is now right.Drew,I would be careful who you aim that gland at they might just suck it right out of your head.But,seriously Drew I practiced dream technices similar to what Gooch sounds like,this is very powerful stuff not to be taken lite.There are powers on this orb we can not imagine,only for the fact our minds can't handle what we have always known.The ultimate mind fuck is coming,I just hope you all have strong enough minds to fight it,later.

5/09/2008 06:42:00 AM  
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5/09/2008 08:34:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Hey!!! a fellow Rochestarian!
that's sweet AnonymousOne.
Fruc, you live upstate too?
we should do a poll,
ha ha
seriously, where does everyone hail from?
I suppose if I was paying better attention I'd know that.
This is the Land of Confusion.
I too feel like there is a Big Mindfuck of somesort coming. Chemtrails...dirty bombs...
People will begin being pulled out of their homes and jobs and classrooms for their "dangerous" beliefs and put into FEMA camps.
Seems a bit far fetched though.
And there is the meme that everything is as it should be and not to worry. America is Strong.
But America is either in the End Times of our Empire, about to collapse or has that alrerady basically happened? I mean I know things can get a lot worse...but....
or is this just the Beginning of a Grander, Darker Empire...
A big corporate Blackwater-esque fascist paranoid Orwellian nightmare?
Something, someone needs to intervene.
where's the friendly space brothers when ya need em?
And that might just be the plotpoint that "no one" has forseen, yet many people can see it happening (an invented alien intervention..or invasion) nazi ufos...blah blah blah blah...Crowlean Lam timetunnels or some crap...
But realistically, everything will probably remain As It Is. Technology advancing slowly and incrementally as the Tecchnocracy grows tenticles and the great becomming of Cthulu arises!!
See? It's almost impossible to not sound crazy whilst imagining the future. Because it is crazy, the future.
O at D

5/09/2008 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Given the kind of inane and self-centred commentary that's taken to covering these boards without any prompting or provocation, is it really any wonder that Jeff might feel disinclined to write about something he feels is important when it's only destined to get lost or ignored in a mish-mash of petty "chat-room" antics anyway?

Would you?

5/09/2008 10:48:00 AM  
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5/09/2008 11:00:00 AM  

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