Tuesday, January 15, 2008

Empire on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown I



People are crazy and times are strange - Bob Dylan

People are crazy

I've been thinking a lot this week about last week's leaked internal memo from Associated Press. Frank Baker, AP's LA assistant bureau chief, issued the directive that "Now and for the foreseeable future, virtually everything involving Britney is a big deal." I've been thinking how right and how proper this is.

What should US cable news be doing, other than leading the hour with live updates from Britney Spears' custody hearing? Put another way, what does US cable news do better that it should be doing instead? The answer, my answer, is nothing. It's perfectly tuned by the lords of the manor to service the land of genetically modified bread and circuses. What has it ever demonstrated to justify a higher expectation?

But the failed expectations are not the media's alone. Most responsibility rests with the broken subjects of America's broken media. Does Clinton versus Obama really merit more attention and sober analysis than Spears versus Federline? I don't see why it should. One pair speak of "change," and the other of mood swings, but it's the same, leveled spectacle.

Did the Clinton team hack the New Hampshire vote? Bradblog makes its usual strong case for electoral fraud, but I'm finding it hard to get my indignant mojo working. Because here's the thing: even when the system works as advertised it contemptuously defrauds and disenfranchises citizens who take their politics like detached spectators. Obama and Clinton are two contenders in a fight club of closed ranks and consensus brutality with interchangeable corners. The outcome of this contest for advancement upon our lives - American lives and everyone else with a seat at the arena - will mean just as much as who wins the Super Bowl or the Oscar, should we have any emotional investment in the outcome of those contests. Because the only change to be registered will be how we feel about it. That's supposed to be enough, and it's been that way long enough that for many, it is.

Most everyone loves a good breakdown. At least ever since breakdowns have become public spectacle, and we can revel in celebrities' madness at physical and emotional distance. But even if we're so emotionally removed from the circus that we don't care whether the fallen idol is a danger to herself, we still care should she become a harm to others. So we're relieved when Britney loses visitation rights, so her crazy train can keep chugging along without running over her children. Unfortunately, there's no court that can slap the wrists America's already slashed, whose own breakdown would be far more entertaining with a restraining order.

[MORE TO COME]

215 Comments:

Blogger Fructedor said...

Hillary Clinton is UGLY

1/15/2008 03:46:00 AM  
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1/15/2008 04:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Soj said...

Reminds me of the old Asimov short story where a computer weighs all the votes and only a single human actually votes. A yeah it's called Franchise.

Pax

1/15/2008 05:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,Jeff,if your thinking of tell'en me that the Merican "Empire" is going fucken nuts,well this should be a long awaited one,later.

1/15/2008 06:16:00 AM  
Anonymous MacCruiskeen said...

I almost never post comments here on the front page, but that's a great title and a positively scary image.

1/15/2008 07:34:00 AM  
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1/15/2008 08:05:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Hey Fruct.. Have you done any readiang on the subject of the soul of water as put forward by Vicktor Schauberger? His point is that water has a memory. Vicktor was a proponent of "reminding" water where it came from by stirring clockwise, counterclockwise and infusing it with "something".

Richard...Your Crowley piece de resistance ties in with memoryholes in water. The two adversaries of Yeats and Crowley in the Golden Dawn both developed their esoterica through HPB and both left Theosophy to form their own groups. Yeats did his work in "A Vision" and Crowley the OTO and in particular "The Book of Lies". Yeats was actually excommunicated by Blavatsky in 1890 and joined Judge, Alcott, and later Crowley in the Golden Dawn.

The books listed above were "channelled" and much of what was revealed is more in line with Laura Knight's work with channelling but she, along with other 21st century pundits recognized that their j-rods and k-rods were their transendental essences or if you prefer, their reincarnations. Nostradamus could be included in that list. This is time travel pue and simple. Tsarion is probably one of those on the Lam....

I learned a bit from your last post but it was mostly about you and for me, that was a valuable and appreciated insight. Here's a link to Crowley's "The Book of Lies".

http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib333.htm

I have to admit that I refuse to channel, astral travel or practice alchemy or magik preferring to live this life on this plane; I am somewhat conflicted however, by reading the works of those who have been down that road.

1/15/2008 09:50:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Hey Eric

No, I don't know Schauberger - the main reference I have for that area is the Japanese doctor Emoto who scanned molecules of water under the influence of music, prayer, and even ideas projected by words on labels stuck to the bottles. It's very interesting material - since I've been long convinced that the creative Universe is alive and aware, I had no trouble looking at this sort of info. I know many people believe it's nonsense, though.

I heard of the case of French research scientist who was pilloried by the French medical profession for investigating the memory of water - Benvenista. The French medical authorities are particularly tough on anything 'para-', although they've relaxed on acupuncture and homeopathy, they still hold a dim view of osteo- and ethiopathy.

I'm convinced that there will be a vital evolution in the concepts of energy leading to awareness of our own natural self-regulating healing mechanism. For starters.

I shall look up Schauberger. Thanks.

1/15/2008 10:42:00 AM  
Anonymous V said...

hey Jeff - nice picture. I think that you should follow up more of your statments with the word 'motherfuckers'. For example: "I'll be posting later today, motherfuckers."

I'm sure others will agree.

1/15/2008 12:15:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

I hear if you microwave water seven times at seven hundred watts for seven seconds at a time, you can then carry it with you all over South America in a canteen and it will ALWAYS get you high. Or, should you be even more truly gullible, go and buy a few milliliters of tap water at the 'health' store and cart that around. Air carries information too, you know, but a jar of air you've spoken to nicely is not much different after you are done speaking to it. Fructedor makes a good point - most of these spookbags look like skulls (intelligence/trauma training - see 'Bush Family', 'Obama', etc) or bloated, dissolute animals. Clinton looks like she's high on PCP lately. I would not want to encounter someone with that expression on their face - it's like being the same room as a bear wearing an explosive vest and realizing you have a steak for a hat.

1/15/2008 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Fruct + Eric: As to the creative universe being alive and aware - hell, yeah, but do you really think that farts in a windstorm equal a symphony? Label up you jars all you want, boys - secret holes in the water are NOT the kind Mr. Crowley liked to, ah, poke into. You want to affect yourself and this world - do like Schauberger and stir 'something' into that water. Maybe throw on some tunes. Hell, eat a bug or two. You'll learn more that way, and possibly even gain immortality (if you eat enough bugs fast enough).

1/15/2008 12:29:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"I have to admit that I refuse to channel, astral travel or practice alchemy or magik preferring to live this life on this plane; I am somewhat conflicted however, by reading the works of those who have been down that road."

Feel pretty much the same way eric, although I was probably a bit more conflicted about making the attempt before I had little ones underfoot.
These days, I don't think that having the kiddies discovering dad in his den, naked & babbling & gibbering about space aliens & interdimensional mushroom people would be conducive to a healthy childhood.

No matter how much credence one gives to the myriad stories about Crowley's magickal workings, it's impossible to deny that he left a huge number of ruined psyches & lives to litter the trail behind him.
Crowley didn't fair too well at the end either.

His "Do what thou wilt" became, in the end, "Do whatever the fuck you want."

Although, Crowley, like Hussein, would have fit in quite well amongst 21st century Americans, don't ya think?

1/15/2008 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

I refuse to practice alchemy too. We should have a club. And yeah, I agree with Dicky - don't trip out hard around small children. Freaks 'em out. News flash, guys - Crowley wasn't telling you the truth about what he got up to. He, Hubbard, and van Vogt played REAL magic. Not just 'ruined psyches' - ruined cultural segments. They were intelligence agents. And are gaming you from beyond the grave as sure as Scientology. Sigh. And Clinton really is a very scary-looking woman. Eyes gone fall right out - what the hell is she feeling at that moment?
I have to say (to Dicky again), with regard to Interdimensional Mushroom People - there is something pretty strange that can be gotten to with a good dose. Something kind of amoral/nonmoral. And kind of short. And yeah, I wouldn't go there - not all the way there - around kids, just in case. Curious, when another's words seem to echo your own experience. Still won't catch me talking to my water glass, though - at that point it's time to come down.

1/15/2008 12:51:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Man, I've got work to do. Gotta sign outta here and disable the modem or something.

1/15/2008 12:55:00 PM  
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1/15/2008 01:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Teenage Mutant Ninja Britney!

1/15/2008 02:33:00 PM  
Anonymous doodad said...

Three men stand backs against the wall each watching a bulet speed towards the centre of his forehead. The first sees his life flash before him with all its regrets and beauty and the hope of a future gone. The second smiles slightly at the vindication of his long held belief in the inevitable bitter end. The third is thinking, "Man, this is so cool! I Can actually see that bullet coming like I can slow down time or something." Only perspective allows that bullet to finally hit.

1/15/2008 05:55:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Jeff, I am impressed even more than usual at the content and the word play you find to get that content across, thank you.

There is a condition called Sapaku (sp) where the whites of the eye show above, or above and below the pupil. Hillary seems closer to displaying this crazy trait than does Brittany.

Good job on that post V.

Agreed, eric and richard, I do not like the idea of extra voices in my (anyone’s) head. And why would you believe what it had to say anyway?

1/15/2008 06:53:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Fructedor, I don't think everything is bullshit, I've just swallowed my share of it in this life & I'm pretty sick of the taste.

I also happen to live in a country where bullshit appears to be the favored dish, & I'm pretty damn tired of that too.

& Reptor, I dabbled in my share of psychoactive chemicals in my time, & probably will again after the tots move out.

1/15/2008 07:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Britney looks like Mrs. Clean (you know-Mr. Clean?).

1/15/2008 07:19:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

I think North americans are trapped in a combination of easily-manipulable dualism (we're two-bit computers, heh) and the cultural crack of citybuilding agriculturalist organization. Branches are the answer. Taking the example Jeff gives of the news networks. Why should their function be either something or nothing? Why not several other possible things, not necessarily related to the original function in any way other than that they are possible for the existing infrastructure to adapt to? Par example, my absentee (thank God) neioghbour's tree. It was a beautiful tree, shaded the yard and provided great beauty to all. Then, it provided his chainsaw-wielding ass with some crudely garnered firewood, presumably for whatever horrible forest den he is growing illegal drugs in up the High Road. I thought it was dead. However, it started growing again, many shoots bursting from the mangled crippled and frankly L-shaped remnant. Now, it's not only a tree again, but a different kind of tree. An ugly one.

1/15/2008 07:49:00 PM  
Blogger Caryl said...

This is just a silly whine from someone who used to write something of substance. There is a constitutional issue involved, and if nothing else, we could at least pretend to care about that. Hillary Clinton says she is the candidate with "experience." Yes, her political experience was forged in the 8-year presidency of her husband. Yet she also and at the same time casts herself as an independent individual running for the presidency. It is totally deceitful and duplicitous, and it's called wanting to have it both ways. The candidacy of HRC lacks integrity from the start.
There are some decent people in the field: Kucinich, Ron Paul, and Barack Obama as a distant but not altogether bad third. But you, Jeff, have brought down a complaint of universal lamentation and hopelessness. You are right, there may be little that we can do. But in such times the little that we can do -- such as insisting on honest elections and some sort of constitutional warrant for a candidacy - is already a great deal.
But you, Jeff, are poisoning the minds of your readers with passivity and hopelessness. You have become a part of the very problem you rail against.

1/15/2008 08:18:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

The two main blockages, as qigong master Chunyi Lin teaches, are emotions and nutrition.

So for full-lotus I can sit in it indefinitely as long as the emotional energy is flowing in and OUT -

If I eat too much food and don't get the energy out of my body then it stays as lower emotional electrochemical energy instead of being "vortexed" into bliss-light. The strong yin energy outside of my body sucks out, and more easily, transduces my food energy, so that the yin energy receives my yang bliss-light.

This is real stuff. So if you have say 5 real, what I call "O at a D" -- sending bliss-light into someone which then pulls up my yin electrochemical energy, so that a mutual climax occurs, this creates REAL LOVE.

Betrand Russell in his book "Meditation and Logic" (or something close to that -- it's actually "Mysticism and Logic") states that meditation is too emotional.

Actually this isn't accurate. The bliss-light of the heart is just the "overexcitement" -- the dissipation of "vitality" or chi that the book Taoist Yoga warns about so much.

The source of the bliss-light is ESSENTIAL NATURE "behind" the heart-mind -- or female formless awareness.

So if too much food is eaten and therefore too much overexcitement is created then this, enabling 5 "O at a Ds" with one individual -- this actually creates a

REAL BROKEN HEART.

I've gotten this broken heart emotional several times this year. It's deeper than sadness (lung energy).

It takes a few days to recover from a broken heart but sometimes this is expressed as real crying in meditation -- it's a cleansing experience actually.

The point is that the CORPOREAL SPIRIT -- the element of metal, the lung energy, overcomes sadness only when passion or overexcitement of the heart is subdued. This is the secret of alchemy, detailed again in "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality."

Consciousness is beyond all emotion or energy. So we just keep sitting in full-lotus and the true broken heart -- the true deep sadness -- resonates back to it's source.

Tsung Tsai talks about this in George Crane's Bones of the Master: A Journey to Secret Mongolia (2000) book. Ch'an master Tsung Tsai says the true role of a Ch'an Master is too work through the deep sadness of the world, to engage with it and transform it.

1/15/2008 09:03:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"But you, Jeff, are poisoning the minds of your readers with passivity and hopelessness. You have become a part of the very problem you rail against."

Yeah! You need to be more like Mitt Romney.

Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor who scored his first major win in Michigan, told The Associated Press: "It's a victory of optimism over Washington-style pessimism. The people of Michigan said they believe in someone who is going to fight for them."

For some reason I kept flashing on wings, pigs, snowballs, & hell while I read this burst of Mormon sunshine.

Weird huh?

1/15/2008 10:07:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"People Are Crazy"

From vernoncoleman.com:

Vernon has a new book entitled Oil Apocalypse.

Or so his website claims.

In the print ad I have the full title is:
Oil Apocalypse: How To Survive, Protect Your Family And Profit Through The Coming Years Of Crisis.

Pay attention to the profit part.

On his website he says this about his wisdom laden tome:

"The world you know is going to change dramatically and permanently. Anyone under fifty, with a normal life expectation, will live to see a world almost unrecognisable from the one they grew up in. Five billion people will die within a very short time. There will be no cars, no lorries, no buses, no aeroplanes and no supermarkets. The rich will travel by horse and cart. The middle classes will use bicycles. The poor will walk. The oil is running out and, as a result, our civilisation is reaching its end."

Wow, scary stuff, eh? Five billion people dying? Sounds bad.

But, in his print ad he goes even further. He says:

"The lorry that collects your rubbish won't be running. Streetlights won't burn. Hospitals will close. Factories will shut. There won't be any television programs. (Gee, now I'm really scared. No tv? Fuck!) You won't be able to recharge your mobile phone.(Oh no! I think I just soiled my underpants.) Within a generation, five out of six people on the planet will be dead. It isn't fiction. It's going to happen. And it's already started."


Wow! Sounds pretty goddamn dire, doesn't it?

But, fear not grasshoppers, Vern has a plan. He goes on to say:

"The final two sections of Oil Apocalypse contain invaluable practical and financial advice describing how Vernon Coleman is planning to survive the coming years of crisis-including the investment program he has devised for himself."


Investment program?

Now what could that possibly be?

Coffin makers?

Undertakers?

As yet uncharted human corpse disposal corporations?

Soylent fucking Green, perhaps?

Since I'd sooner eat the 25 dollars than spend it on his book, I guess I will never know the answer to such pressing questions.

People are crazy.

Yep.

Some of them publish books & some of them become heroin shooting magicians & some of them even become huge pop stars.

Personally, I thought Britney's train left the tracks when she said we should just trust the president.
Since a huge swathe of America's heartland also shared that view, I can't say that I'm surprised she wasn't locked up then.

& while I wouldn't vote for Hillary, I have kind of enjoyed her transformation from robotic, guarded, slightly paranoid Washington insider into boisterous soccer mom.

I suppose that it will make her eventual mutation into a six foot alien lizard all the more palatable.

"People Are Crazy."

Yep.
They most certainly are.

1/16/2008 12:59:00 AM  
Anonymous doodad said...

"Five billion people dying? Sounds bad"

More room for skateboarders. How can that be a bad thing?

1/16/2008 02:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Earthlings, this world is by no means without a future. The future is our to see. I do not think Jeff is promoting black days for America. Many of the posts dwell on the negative American psyche. What is up? This country of mine has many prospects of a great nature. Sure, we need to rid our government of tortured cowboys and myopic greed mongers,but believe me, every nation state has similar quandries. Hey GGG what articulated delusions in your post has anything to respond to Jeff's words of wisdom? Who are you talking too? I too have surfed the psytropic wind. Many micro dots and curious fungi. We humans need to clear the cob webs and enhance the minds eye. I am an advocate of psychic cleansing every once in a while. For those of you who have not tripped the light fantastic, it is time and place and space that makes a good trip. Shine forth brave souls. Respectfully, Dennis from Oregon.

1/16/2008 02:40:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

I like to chew (knash) on a subject a bit before I pass waste on it. I've now gummed, dessicated and fulminated the dichotomy of Britney and Hillary. It's a product of media. Hillary is never portrayed outside and Britney never inside. They are each to her own trapped on opposite sides of the looking glass which in my case is the t.v.

The uptown girl vs. the downtown girl. Don't read this Jeff. It might mess up the discourse.

1/16/2008 03:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Raul said...

Jeff,

While that's one of the only Almodovar films I really enjoy, I have to agree with Caryl--this article is shit.

Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and Mike Gravel are decent, honorable men who propose real change and an attempt to live up to the ideals of America. Your irrational dislike of Ron Paul and mockery of his candidacy as unworthy of merit is shit.

Your a leftist, that's fine--I like universal health care and education too; Ron doesn't. However, he likes other things like peace, freedom, prosperity, humility, habeas corpus, not torturing people, not bombing the shit out of people, not drafting people, upholding the Constitution and the rule of law. Unlike others, his record actually reflects these commitments.

How can anyone here justify not enthusiastically supporting his campaign? I voted for him today and I was all smiles; smiles walking into the polling location, smiles filling in the oval, and, more smiles, upon leaving. It was the first time I've felt good about voting in my life; I hope not the last.

This post could have instead been about the fact that tens of thousands of people today chose truth and justice over shit and avarice.

Maybe you're so used to shit now that you've come to like it and are capable of nothing but to revel in the glibness of it all?

P.S.

Caryl,

Have to disagree with you on Obama though; Jeff's 110% correct about that.

1/16/2008 06:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,Jeff,did you notice the link to"Mood Swings"the full article has 666 words?But back to the breakdown,the watered down acid trip that we as a nation are being fed is about to explode.The constant barrage of subliminal mindfucking,has most of this country in a total dreamstate.I just hooked up a new 42in HD,and I can tell you this much,this is the hook they have been waiting for.Merica doesn't stand a chance,"Good Nite and Good Luck",later.

1/16/2008 06:54:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Richard - thanks for your reply, I appreciate that.

The land of bullshit - I think we all live there these days. I'm not sure that people would prefer that as a diet if they had a reasonable choice - it's money that sets the rules for the bullshit factory, money and power. Watching TV is mainline, formatted almost exclusively by the viewer polls. I get sick of it too - probably the same things sicken us - someone said GM bread and circuses - that's true. The amount of shit distributed by the news services is amazing, spinning, slanting, lying. We seem to agree about politics.

Any info that seems to take me in a direction I feel is interesting is OK by me - investigation will reveal whether it's worthy of interest or not.

What I found interesting about Dr. Emoto's work is that it demonstrates quite clearly that the environment we live in, or choose to live in, has definite effects on our organism. It's improving the condition of the organism that interets me. Replacing TV with good music and conversation, for example, prayer, for example. However, when you say these things to people who have decided a priori that all this is smoke, it's tough to make headway.

All we see of each other is what we write here - you, like Shrub, seem to excel at shooting down hot-air balloons. A noble task, no doubt - looking for stuff that still flies after the skies clear motivates me.

Best wishes

1/16/2008 08:54:00 AM  
Blogger Arthur Gilroy said...

Good article...so far. (Wed. 1/16/07, 11:30 AM EST) Keep going. There’s more. (Lots of dumb comments, too. You deserve a better audience.)

However...here is what your article is circling.

All events seen on TV and in the media are roughly equal in the minds of most (passive) viewers. Thus Britney's breakdown, the ads for say Geico and the Hillary/Obama race hold the same importance in the subconscious of sleeple America. The only difference is one of degree. How many minutes per person are spent viewing Hillary/Obama/McCain/Romney stuff, how many minutes are spent viiewing Britney Spears/Lohan/Paris Hilton stuff, how many are spent viewing Iraq stuff, etc. (You will notice that there is almost NO Iraq news being broadcast. And you will further notice that it has dropped out of the Great Debate. The speechwriters, candidates and campaign managers are also sleeple.)

How many minutes multiplied by what could be thought of as an intensity quotient. What ABC News says is generally thought to be more important than what The National Enquirer reports, etc.

Who "controls" all of this?

Well, there are certainly vectors of power at work. Power comes from the barrel of a money gun, to paraphrase Mao Zedong. But here is the rub.

It is now OUT of control.

The CIA certainly has its networks and individual reporter/producer assets, as does say the NeoCon/AIPAC brigade. But basically this system has evolved…devolved is probably a better word…into a larger version of the cable TV system. (The concept of “As above, so below” at work yet again.) Hundreds of special interests all vectoring for power and position. And as a result…the shit goes almost NOWHERE. It waffles. It wanders. It quagmires.

And it loses as a result.

Solution?

The form which such a preordained loss will take?

Probably…in a benevolent world…a breakup on the order of what happened to the USSR. Turbulence followed by a sort of renaissance in an economic sense.

Possibly…if you believe that there either is no unifying arc of a moral universe (“The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” Martin Luther King Jr.) or that this justice of which MLK Jr. spoke demands the blood of many Americans or even many humans regardless of nationality…a nuclear, biologic or environmental collapse.

Outside chance…? A real change in the structure of American culture, and a renaissance of another kind.

We shall soon see.

The various characters in search of the Presidency all carry within them the seeds and possibilities of ALL of these occurrences. It depends now on the sheer chance operations of a splintered media coupled with the equally sheerly chance-dictated positions of the sleeple voters.

Plus the wild card of various outside-dictated disasters that could befall us.

Another 9/11…no matter WHO really pulls the trigger?

Another Katrina? Or two or three?

Israeli nukes in Iran?

Ebola comes to Main Street?

Use your imagination.

Anything can happen.

And if it does…all bets are off

ALL bets.

We shall see.

We shall soon see.

Bet on it.

Later…

AG

1/16/2008 11:44:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"I'm not sure that people would prefer that as a diet if they had a reasonable choice"

They do Fructedor, it's called the 'off' button.

Their failure to use it with any consistency leads me to believe that they like the taste of bullshit.

1/16/2008 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger Belliosto said...

Intuitively writing the sureness that all organizations secular or otherwise have some form, great or small, of hypocrisy within it is most reliable. It is rarely small hypocrisy but great. Richard the ancient manuscripts in the Bible have men proclaiming all is not well with the ignorant majority and the majority of the times the Israeli experience had to do with the realities of dancing around golden bulls and having sex while trying to make it economically. Jehovah, Baal, or no gods or no creator God amounts to the same thing most of the time based on a closer analysis of the written words from the manuscripts written by the Israeli prophets. God's people rarely followed the prophets' advice. Rarely cared much about any god. As in most organizations worldwide the people within believe they can work with self-interested cupids who lead them to their ultimate absolutism. The collapse of the organization or the subtle taking over of it by an enemy. Anything but the betterment of the organization.

If vote fraud is a concern of yours, I respectfully ask what have you done about it? Also respectfully would you be overwhelmed if your favorite candidate had given his all to serve only him or herself? These people are very sociable and have communed with a lot of people in their political lives including some very wealthy people. With the very wealthy people the candidates also have conversed with the very wealthy peoples' very intelligent and wise friends. These influences and offers of the most rich are most promising and rewarding to the politicians wives and mistresses as well. On that note the political race is like the motion pictures industry. You have the Academy Awards nominated movies and movies of people having sex. In either case it is all an act and after the movie is completed and all the lines spoken the actors all go back to their lives separate from the cameras and publicity. It is all a fraud and a show of arrogant self interest. Possibly severe cases of megalomania. This is my opinion. I think when all is said and done in all the world's governments the leaders are much more likely followers. Even followers chasing their tail's leadership like Shih Tzus.

A happy nervous breakdown to you.

1/16/2008 01:30:00 PM  
Blogger muddy elephant said...

Jeff,

I am quite intrigued by your statement:

"Because the only change to be registered will be how we feel about it.

It seems apparent that you believe that whomever is elected will not change a damn thing. Fine. Sad, but perhaps true.

Or... are you saying that the way we feel holds some sort of meaning--that we have the ability to not act like a bunch of bloodthirsty Pavlovian dogs?

Looking forward to the next post.

1/16/2008 02:10:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Sorry Belliosto, I've never had "a favorite candidate."

I've voted from "the lesser of two evils" standpoint my whole life, only to realize that both were equally full of...ummmm....bullshit.

In a system this corrupt I doubt anyone is strong enough to make much difference.

Consequently, the only philosophy that I can say that I live my life by is, "Neither a follower nor a leader be."

If folk haven't figured out by the time they're 20 that their lifetime is their most precious commodity, and how they spend that lifetime is
very very important, then anything I say would be fairly pointless.

I still believe people choose the vacuous American lifestyle because they like it.

The folk i work with all have cellphones. They play with them endlessly, hour upon hour. Constantly up-grading to new phones every few months.

They tell me I'm a dinosaur because I refuse to own one.

I give my best Godzilla roar & laugh, confident that the book I'm reading while they diddle their phones will have a bigger pay-off for me than their phone will ever have for them.

Of course, I could be wrong, but I'm willing to live with it.

1/16/2008 02:14:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

No time to write, but I wanted to shout a few times, quickly. Www: thanks. To the hipster slagging Viktor Schauberger: read, son, read. To Triple G: oh, what's the use?

To Jeff: you know the American duopoly precludes any meaningful reform...so why are you hung up on the trivial parade? You need to access your spleen, Jeff (if I can paraphrase or borrow from our self-appointed shaman's lexicon)--pump it up if necessary. Borrow some vitriol from Jason Miller...Christ, even old Ralphie is making more cognizant noise...

(Respectfully,)

IC

1/16/2008 04:03:00 PM  
Anonymous doodad said...

If people didn't need politicians, God would not have created cellphones or demons for that matter.

1/16/2008 06:43:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Yeah last night my Egyptian acquaintance tried to sit in full-lotus. He thought he could do it on the ground but not on the chair, as I was doing (in his restaurant). I told him I got this starting from soccer which he plays a lot. He said the "butterfly stretch" does that but he thought I had my feet under my thighs, not on top. He couldn't even sit with his legs crossed underneath, while on a chair - which makes sense since there would be less balance.

I would say the http://springforestqigong.com exercies are ideal -- the standing active exercises, the small universe in a chair, and then self-concentration (half or full-lotus).

For example the Ch'an monks alternate standing exercise with full-lotus. I still do this when I want to do deeper meditation at home -- when I'm building up my energy internally and not just cycling the 3rd eye energy externally while at full-lotus in public.

When the legs really hurt from full-lotus you just stand while meditating -- doing simple tai chi moves. Then the energy opens up the leg channels and you can enjoy full-lotus again. Keeping the eyes closed helps a lot to build up the energy internally.

1/16/2008 07:55:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

If I'm the hipster IC refers to, lemme tell you I am chuffed. Like, crazy, daddy-o. Nobody's ever thought I was even related to hip before. IC, I might flip through this Schauberger if'n I run acrost it, but it doesn't sound like my speed at all. I'm down with there being a lot more than we can see - mentally and physically. Hell, I seriously hope to encounter a self-transforming machine elf on my deathbed. And I (if I am the Hipster....it'll be so embarrassing if I'm not) do read, and voraciously. Just that I usually avoid titles that get mentioned in endless streams of mystical crap. Well, subjectively endless. I'm no philosophical hummingbird. I hunt and kill MEAT. Life is short, and I don't label my spice jars or bins of handy crap, let alone my water glass. Labels may affect container contents...but not in any way that will affect you. Stir-the-water-counterclockwise might be a dandy exercise for personal development, but the water isn't going to care. All the good vibrations in the world can get jarred jagged by just one firecracker. Smell the flowers too long and they'll grow on you.
Hipster! Wow, man. Superchuffed. Oh, and speaking of endless screeds...are you a Heinlein fan, TripleG? I'd rather talk science fiction than mental trips any day. Or maybe the post we're commenting on. Cheerio!

1/16/2008 07:55:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Pfff hah hey Fructedor - tell me, is Dr. Emoto like the archenemy of Dr. Roboto? (I am sorry but I couldn't resist).

1/16/2008 08:06:00 PM  
Anonymous lurker you've never heard of said...

Lord Reptor

Hahahahahhaha

Have you read your own blog? You're the Hipster.

Don't take that wrong because I think its great. Reminds me of some of the trippier part of The Invisibles, if you know your comic books. Dunno why, just the aesthetics I guess..

1/16/2008 08:08:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

And also, back at the ranch...any guesses as to what the hell H.R. Clinton is on these days? My best guess is something like PCP, although I'm sure whatever she gets is well-tweaked chemically and has a great brand name (like 'Bezoing!' or 'Zoomph!'). That's not the first picture she's been on Eyeball Launch Readiness Alert in lately. I would hate to access her emotional state there - I'm too old to get high like that, and by extension so is she.

1/16/2008 08:12:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Anon, you've opened my eyes. I can feel it. I AM The Hipster. I'm, like, uncontrollable now, man. (shuffles around cackling)

1/16/2008 08:19:00 PM  
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1/16/2008 08:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Iroquois said...

Even it matters little to us Plebs who wins among the very exclusive list of contenders does not mean that there is no stake in the contest among those with far more to lose and, by extension, no reason for the vote to be rigged. And, no matter who corrupt the system, manipulation of the vote tallies should never be tolerated.

1/16/2008 08:29:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Gotta agree with Iroquois. Not to be tolerated. Nearest lamp-post level of not.

1/16/2008 08:56:00 PM  
OpenID arizonaTOM said...

Sounder and others----
George Ohsawa wrote a book in the late '60's, I believe, called "You are all sanpaku."
Sanpaku is a condition in which the whites of the eyes are completely visible under the eyeballs. In other words, the pupil isn't partially covered by the lower lid, which is the usual case. Ohsawa believed that this condition or state of the eye/eyeball indicated that the possessor of such eyes was in a state of grave psychological imbalance.
I had forgotten about the book until reading your post.
And Jeff Wells-----Top Notch post!

1/16/2008 09:08:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Bryan: The article clearly states I'm talking about a CONVERGING series -- with the second divide and average value for the square root of two as 3/2 (1 plus 1/2). The crucial point is that a "divide and average" series relies on symmetry, or the commutative principle, whereas the music harmonic arithmetic series relies on complimentary opposites. So Archytas argued that 9/8 cubed (3/2 squared as 9/4, divided by 2, equalling 9/8 as the major second interval), then is the tritone interval or the square root of two. In contrast Philolaus states that 9/8 cubed is 3/2 plus the comma of Pythagoras. The difference between the two is that the latter, the "comma of Pythagoras," relies on an arithmetic series that violates the commutative principle. Squaring a number, 3/2, does not rely on the commutative principle which uses a one-to-one correspondence between letter, as geometry, and number. Both the proof for the square root of two AND Archtyas' use of arithmetic mean x harmonic mean equals geometric mean squared rely on the commutative principle. What complementary opposite harmonics shows is that the proof for the square root of two is WRONG, because the arithemetic series, through complementary harmonics, violates the commutative principle. In other words the squaring of the perfect fifths as 3/2 does not "divide and average" into the square root of two, as the squaring of the octaves, and this EMPIRICAL difference creates the comma of Pythagoras of complementary opposite harmonics. There's a fundamental difference between the harmonics of 1 plus 1/2 as an arithmetic series, or pure number, in contrast to number (1) as a geometric side (square root of two) of an area. This difference, only demonstrated in complementary opposite harmonics, disproves the square root of two which is the foundation for all of mathematics. Archytas relied on squaring as geometry, with arithmetic mean x harmonic mean equalling geometric mean squared, so that the octave is now not an arithmetic double as is the case with the harmonic series 1:2:4:8:16, but a geometric square (3/2 x 4/3 equals 2, geometric mean squared, as the octave of 1, with the square root of two as the tritone interval (9/8 cubed). The lie here is that Archytas is equating the 3/2 squared (9/4 divided by 2 and then cubed) as the same as the octave squared whereas the first is an arithmetic series whereas the second is a geometric series (since the octave doubles in the harmonic series, not squares). Archtyas' system works only because the octave is SQUARED to 4, using weight as tension to create an inverse square positive coupling of the octave. So under Archytas system when the weight as frequency is 4 then the square root of geometric mean is 2, the positive coupling of octave and string length. This positive coupling of string length and frequency, using weight, is the source for Descartes, Galileo and Newton's measurement of frequency as geometric momentum of weight, whereby twice the distance or string length also equals twice the speed. So that, as Archytas first argued, the string length of two can also be the octave frequency of two. In other words time is no longer measured as frequency of number, but as geometric mean distance using weight for speed. Again the previous inverse ratios between string length and frequency, aka the Law of Pythagoras, have the octave as 1, when the string length is 2, or 1/2 with the string length is 1, not the octave as 2 (with the half when the string length starts with 1 and goes to 2, as the tritone. Under the harmonic series, the half string length is the octave frequency, again thereby having Archytas argue that 3/2, between 1 and 2, is now the tritone or the square root of two, only because of geometric-based time using weight tension). Complementary opposite harmonics, creating the comma of Pythagoras, relies on squaring as number, in violation of the commutative principle, upon which all of math is based. Again the Perfect 5th music interval of the Pythagorean Tetrad, 1:2:3:4 is Yang as 2:3 or C to G, while the Perfect 4th is Yin as 3:4, of G to C. G x C does not equal C x G, thereby creating the comma of Pythagoras so that 1:2 does not line up with 2:3 or it's inverse, 3:4, which then continues to resonate as complementary opposites yin and yang, through the whole energy spectrum. The sound resonates into ultrasound, thereby ionizing the electrochemicals of the body, which then are further ionized into electromagnetic fields and light the bends spacetime, returning to it's source of time, as frequency: female formless awareness.

1/16/2008 11:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ben Fairhall over at "Battling the Behemoth" and "The Daily Behemoth" wrote some thought-provoking items about Brit's "Lupercalia," as in her "head-shaving."

http://ben-fairhall.blogspot.com/2007/02/britneys-via-dolorosa-part-one.html

Thoughts on Britney:

A gang-rape of the psyche. Every last two-bit pundit gets to weigh in. It's not newsworthy, it's a gross invasion of privacy, but it seems as though she has nobody defending her. Everybody turned on her and they cash in on her self-destruction.

Thoughts on Election:

A giant manufacture spectacle. Enough said.

Finally, it would be great if one could only display comments that dealt with Jeff's post, rather than the endless Byzantine conversations and cross-conversations. It would great to have some sort of ranking system that sends stuff of decreasing relevance towards the bottom.

Cheers, Jeff.

1/17/2008 12:45:00 AM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

"Oh the power and the glory,
just when you're getting
a taste for worship,
they start bringing out
the hammers,
and the boards,
and the nails..."

1/17/2008 02:29:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Belliosto, I've been thinking about what you said all night at work.

You asked if vote fraud was a concern of mine.

I'd have to say no, with qualifiers.

I've found that I agree with Greg Palast when he says that vote fraud is, of course, a bad thing, but it isn't the core of the problem.

The real problem is that 59+ million Americans looked at George W. Bush standing there, incoherent & smirking with a silver spoon sticking out of his ass, & said, "Yessirree, he definitely encompasses my values."

They don't even have the excuse of the 911 terrors because they elected him before the twin towers went boom.

& even after the Iraq Freedom Quest was starting to show all indications of turning into the Iraq Fuck Up, they voted for him again.

Y'know, from the time I was 18 till the time I was 30 there were 2 total assholes as president.
If anything I see our current state of affairs as an improvement. Under Ray-Gun & George the Elder the US was doing some nasty shit in Central & South America. But they were always able to maintain a modicum of plausible deniability because they used neat little proxy armies to do their dirty work. That has obviously all changed.

In case you missed it they just recently deified Ray-Gun.

I've no doubt they deify George the Toddler one day.

While I still vote, in the last election I wrote in obnoxiously juvenile names as my fuck you from nobodyland.
This time I was planning to continue that new tradition by writing in F. U. Ameriga for prez & Ulysses S. Sucks It for veepee, but I'm almost tempted to vote for Obama just to hear the sound of every racist motherfucker in this country collectively shitting their pants on the first post-election morning.

Might be worth a chuckle or two.


Mr. Gilroy has a video on his website that is comprised primarily of police video camera footage of a protest in Portland in 2002. The narrator points out that the actions of the police that day shows that fascism is already here.

I'd say that, if your definition of fascism is the marriage of corporate and state power, then fascism has been here long before Sir Adolph made it fashionable.
I'm sure you've heard of General Smedley Butler & his 'War is a Racket' speech where he talked about being a button man for United Fruit.
I don't know, sounds like fascism to me.

The narrator then says something in the middle of the video that has always bugged me about "political protests."

She says, over video footage of the cops pepper spraying the crowd for no good reason, "It's scary to me that they would do that to us. And it's scarier still that we would take it."

Why do people take it?

I can remember my only brush with police violence. While I was arrested 3 times in my youth, the police never did anything to me.
But one night,when i was 18 or so, 3 friends & I were sitting in a park chatting while another group of fellows we knew we drinking behind some bushes. Bothering no one. Drinking & chatting. A police cruiser glides into the park & they all scatter. We were doing absolutely nothing either but we had no booze or drugs, so we sat there.
The drinkers scattered.
One guy had a huge boom box (it was the 80's) so he just skirted the bushes around the park & came out & hopped on bench about 100 yards away. The coppers pull up in front of him, the driver jumps out billy club in hand & proceeds to beat the living shit out of this kid.
For no reason.
The kid is shrieking, the cop is swinging & kicking, & it goes on.
The cop had a female partner & she tries to bear hug the pig & he just shrugs her off & goes back to beating this kid.
He grabs the kid & throws him into the back of the car & then races up to us & says, "Do you motherfuckers need an engraved fucking invitation to get out of my park."
Needless to say, we beat a hasty retreat.
But about 4 days later, we got even.
We gathered together everyone we knew & we waited for this porksicle to make his nightly ride through the park.
A couple of the fastest guys bricked the car & then took off.
Both cops raced off on foot pursuit.
After they were gone the rest of us raced down & put that pigmobile on its roof.

While it was probably neither rational nor moral, it sure felt good.

Why do people passively stare at tv while saying how it all sucks.

Why do 35 year old adults say to me when they see me with a book, "I haven't read a book since high school?"

Are they proud of it?

One day, during lunch at work, I had a 24 year old girl sit down across from me & say, "I'd like to read. I mean, I can read, I'd....like to...ummm....read."

I looked at her for minute, then closed my book & proceeded to demonstrate how you sit the book in front of you, open it, & then start reading.
I said, "See, real simple."I then asked her why she didn't read if she wanted too.
She said, "I don't know."
O-Fucking-kay!

It can't be economic because in this area there are a hell of a lot of libraries.
While Andrew Carnegie may have been a rat bastard, he did build & fund many a library.
Of course, he probably never intended on low class white trash such as myself actually using those libraries, but all I can say is tough titty Andy.

Prosperity has always come at a price in this country. While IC may be right when he says the price isn't necessary, his Gaia friendly approach hasn't been the one that's led us to the place where the birdies are dying off.

I think that most people who want change, want change without losing the next episode of Lost or without any appreciable loss of phone service & internet access.
It's like noticing that your house has a completely crumbling foundation & then deciding, as your fix-all, to attach an eco-friendly addition.
The house will still collapse.

I hate to reiterate but people are fucking crazy.
Again not to reiterate but the favorite cell phone activity my co-workers engage in is e-mailing each other and their non-work friends bad porn humor.
The last one they bothered showing me involved a blond woman, who appeared to be a porn star, engaging in an anti-male feminist rant. In the middle of said rant a guy runs in & rams, what looked like, a 10 inch dick in her mouth.
Get it?
That's the joke.
Hardy-fucking-har-har.
All that money & time & technology just so folk can wallow in their own shit & the shit of others.

I don't get it.

Oh, and by the way, the guy who showed that to me had it sent to him by a woman.

1/17/2008 02:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,Jeff,what happens if the rest of the world want's us commeted?I have been watching this shit for twenty years plus,and the pile just gets bigger.What would it take to wake the sleeping masses?"There is no one who can teach us anything new,we only need to remember what we have always known"there is more to this world than you can see or feel,but most of mankind has lost their way.Dance with the devil,our time is short,just hope ther are enough chairs when the music stops,later.

1/17/2008 06:53:00 AM  
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1/17/2008 07:08:00 AM  
Blogger Arthur Gilroy said...

wwwdotnet said...

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Arthur Gilroy said...


Lots of dumb comments, too. You deserve a better audience.

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That was dumb.

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Was it?

Have you read any of the many truly nonsensical maunderings above?

Do you realize how sharp Jeff is?

He DOES deserve a better audience.

AG

1/17/2008 07:53:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

dumb? well ....
what is this article really about?
The fact that it is the puppet show we watch on HDTV (which probably has more in that digital signal than just what you see and hear) may have something to do with it, and all the alchemical workings of the past that may or may not have opened holes, letting in whatevers...
and what if the puppets became self aware?
there are for sure variables o' plenty.
And the voting machines can be hacked, easily. just google hacked voting machines and you'll see a 2006 article showing that it can be done in as little as 4 minutes.
And if Jeff is so convinced that this is all a pile of bullshit, the election, that is, why is it so hard to swallow the idea that the vote is bullshit too....?
As far as the whole altered states thing being thrown around here...
you need a sharp mind to see what's there, but what if what's there is all an illusion? Is there a way to break on through, or are you merely deluding yourself?
THAT is the question that the modern Shaman must ask themselves.
I believe many of you on this forum sort of fit that mold..heh..
I'm rambling. Oh well.
what do we want?
Mostly to be free. right? That's the promise of America. But that freedom is an illusion. All is Illusion, right? A hologram. What we need to do is try to communicate with the original programmer in the original programming language. As we stumble towards that dialogue, with our meditations and "workings' and prayers, we might be getting through. Hell, we might even break through to some meaningful epiphany, but that is only temporary and completely subjective. So there you have it.
It's subjective. Even as we rail against America as being sheep or brainwashed, we discout the subjective experience of the subjects...
And Schauberger...
I read that he was working on some very interesting research into propulsion...Nazi UFO's and all that cool crap..

1/17/2008 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Mojo Filter said...

Fed-ex glad rags bring no cheer.
Britney’s sad bags are too drear.
I.C. chugs her two cent beer.
Dicklette spews sheit Neverclear,
Bringing season’s greetings, fear.
Thank God shrubbutt isn’t here.
Caryl nails Jeff pretty well:
Skulking in his private hell,
Never daring more to tell
How the seeming mighty fell,
Nothing he says seems to gel.
Rigint suffered its death knell.
One thing Jeffie said brought mirth
To a certain place on earth
When he wrote a name of worth,
Ending such a lengthy dearth,
Giving voice, and thus rebirth
To good Mojo (Filter)’s surf.
An’ I said hey, hey mister cop,
Ain’t got no burf surfaticket on me now.

1/17/2008 10:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Mojo Filter said...

I gotta get a new hat!

1/17/2008 10:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, I have to agree with Arthur. I've been reading this blog for at least a couple of years, as much for Jeff's insight (or even at the least, the thought and discussion provoking that the posts spark), as the great comments that usually follow.
It is, however, getting a little cluttered in here of late, but that's how things usually go with anything good. It's still worth wading through the meaningless and/or extremely off topic waste to get to the good comments, tho - glad it's not discouraging the good commenters, old and new.
Keep it up Jeff, your stuff is greatly appreciated and anticipated.


Dave

1/17/2008 11:13:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Richard - the off button don't work when there's nothing better to replace the oracle. I think most people have no clear ideas about life as opportunity - education. We are mostly educated to become passive.

I have a hard time classifiying people as 'dumb' or 'shit' because it can take a while to wake from induced slumber, and sometimes life has to kick in with some unexpected material to get us twitching. But sleepers can always awake.

My own case I know, and it took me a good while to go from being dumb and formatted to better than that now, although not everyone might agree. Human potential is inexhaustible, but first we have to realise that we have it. Then do something about it. The potential is there in everyone. Changing our habits is the hard thing, pariclarly when we are glued in place by survival and family. But once you start there's no going back.

Hey Reptor - Emoto would definitely be considered an enemy by Roboto, whose main goal, as we know, is total control. Molecules of water deciding on their own shape - what? Fuck that, I want 'em all square, or there'll be hell to pay.

Clean water is better for the organism than filthy water. Good music is better than mainstream drek. Conversation is better than five hours of '1-2-3 Tosspot' or whatever.

Voting looks like a lose-lose situation - in that whoever comes out first - which does not mean that they actually won the election - is backed to the hilt with compromised money and political allegiance which guarantee that things will continue as before with only minor cosmetic changes. The basic needs of human beings are left increasingly to last, education, medicine, and profit at whatever the cost runs the show. In this sense it's just a show - Frank Zappa said 'Politics is just the show business wing of industry'.

It's a situation that can lead to depression and hopelessness - what can we possibly do to make things better - assuming that's what we want to do. Start at home, that's the only way. It has to be a small start, and obviously that will seem pointless in view of the complexity and pollution involved in our situation. First step is the hardest.

1/17/2008 11:20:00 AM  
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1/17/2008 11:32:00 AM  
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1/17/2008 11:46:00 AM  
Blogger Arthur Gilroy said...

wwwdotnet said...

Arthur Gilroy ,

Of course I think Jeff is sharp, and it's beyond that, he got it. The thing some people have, and others don't, won't and never will. But I do think it was a dumb comment, you're obviously not a dumb guy, and no offence meant in anyway, but there's a few reaons i thought the comment was dumb.

1. You cannot project Jeff's audience from a few "dumb" comments.

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I can and WILL do so.

If truly committed people were reading this website in great numbers, the implied IQ level that is obvious in the comments section would be much higher.

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2. No artist deserves a certain audience. You don't choose your children, you raise them.
3. Any audience is a good audience?
4. So what if there's a load of "dumb" people reading, isn't the point of information gathering to better learn yourself?
5. I like dumb comments. And probably make quite a few dumb comments. :)

Wouldn't you say you agreed with this?

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Actually, what would get my "agreement" (If you had only posted it!!!) is that you appear to be one of those so-called intelligent people who like to post nit-picking comments in order to see their own words in print.

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I just think one of the biggest problems is the control of information with a result of a mass of uneducated propaganda infected "sleeple". So let's not shit on our own doorstep.

best,
www

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I have attempted to get people to read this site on a number of blogs, and have generally run into a dead end because the mass media of this country...including the "elite" media that controls the more edumacated among us...has so thoroughly painted any discussion of the areas Jeff usually covers as forbidden tinfoil hat territory that with the exception of a very few truly imaginative people most of those who pay attention to the outer edges of the information circle are total idiots who are beyond even being hypnotized.

National Enquirer fools.

So it goes.

You ask:

"...isn't the point of information gathering to better learn yourself?"

Perhaps.

But the point of information DISTRIBUTION is to informn others of what you have learned.

And if you cannot find people who can actually understand what it is that you are trying to say, then you are failing at that attempt.

Jeff IS trying. I regret that he...and others who know what he knows, suspect what he suspects, including myself...is so consistently stymied in his efforts to spread these ideas among a broader, more intelligent segment of the population.

So it goes.

We DO keep trying...

AG

1/17/2008 11:58:00 AM  
Anonymous doodad said...

HA!

Elitism....not just for the elite anymore.

1/17/2008 01:28:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

oh touche, doodad. Though AG, I have to say i completely agree with what you said.
not that you care.
care is the enemy. we should be care-free..
or better yet, let's cremate care.
The elite would want to anyhow. It's a burden, to care. better to burn it. In human form....
we're all one big sizzling sacrifice.

1/17/2008 03:32:00 PM  
Blogger Arthur Gilroy said...

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doodad said...

HA!

Elitism....not just for the elite anymore.

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My answer?

National Enquirer-ism.

Not just for the 5% of the population that shares the lowest IQ scores anymore.

Now available on Fox News, 24/7.

And all OVER the cable stations.

Right in your livingroom, in Hi-Def.

Plus talk radio as well.

More like...oh, what's Bush's approval rating now?

Somewhere around 33.33%?

Yup.

One out of three.

Deep.

In a shallow sort of way.

The triumph of the hypnomedia; the triumph of Goebbel's acolytes.

Run the big, "interesting" lies up the flagpole, get 1/3rd of the audience to salute and you are almost there.

Almost there.

Any day now.

Aaaaany day now.

Bet on it.

AG

1/17/2008 03:34:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

First off, and most vibraphonically, Hipster, my dude-Sir: you rock. If words were bees, we wouldn’t really have needed Muhammad Ali if we had only had you. Except maybe for that “No Viet Cong ever called me nigger" line as he was going off to the jail his conscience brought him to. More’s the pity the rest of us don’t follow suit.

Speaking of which (and I’ll get back to you, Hep-Catted Hop-Head of my recent admiration), what’s all this falderal with “concerns about vote fraud?”

Here’s my logic train, long time coming, only recently fully arrived.

If “American Interests” have been outright ordering our fookin’ non-stop, flagrantly immoral, anti-democratic interventions in the affairs of every country on the planet that attempted to do things differently—say, distribute wealth & power equitably, making sure that the “least” citizen was at least as sufficiently well off as their opposite numbers were encumbered by the need to provide for their sustenance—then why would we imagine that these same insanely powerful “interests” wouldn’t pay an approximate level of attention to whole the show ran domestically, including our celebrated “elections”?

Don’t make no sense, otherwise.

What level of “influence” would it take, for example, for the “free press” in our hallowed democracy to have unstintingly, nay lap-doggy-stylishly to have jumped on that Run Up To War bandwagon in our most recent adventure in spreading freedom & justice & McDemocracy™ to a grateful world? I mean, without question? Without any attempt at balance or historical or political perspective (unless it happened to be that of a four-star general equally skilled in killing gooks and massaging a message)?

That’s just the first example that occurred to me. I could go on, Triple-G-like (well, except that it would be relevant) all day with examples that illustrate the truth-concealing complexity of the illusion that we live in a free and democratic society, but it’s been done elsewhere far better than I could here & now.

It’s kind of like the discussion I was in yesterday (bottom of this page) with some folks down in the basement on our rigorous discussion board who had decided that "Bill Blum is an idiot” because he tried to explain that there were bigger fish to fry than “uncovering the truth of 9/11”. What I mean is that you can construct all sorts of interesting theories, but facts is facts…if you can really bring yourself to look at them.

See, we’ve got this weird-ass notion that the world is not only a better place than it used to be (you know, slavery has ended, we have child labor and old folks’ pension laws; basically that democracy has flourished and that science has provided ever better ways of living through eradicating disease and inventing twinkies, etc), but even more bizarely, that we had something to do with this wunnerful Progress.

If this fairy tale were true (and you’d never suspect it wasn’t if you watched TV in America), then we could expect that the terrible injustices that were visited upon the subjects in one of those horribly oppressive regimes from yesteryear would have also been relegated to the history books (endlessly amusing works of redaction, those.)

Seems to me that all the Tsars’ serfs would be happy to stay in their graves if they were offered the chance to live in a world where:

1 billion people have no access to clean water, 600 million do not live where they want to live, and instead have been displaced or have fled. 30,000 people die every day for lack of food or drink. Children die, 8,000 of them every day of diseases that inoculations would have protected them against. For many there are no doctors, no schools, for their parents no work. They lack everything that is necessary to live.

250 million children are forced to work in the same regions where 900 million adults are out of work. The children toil, their parents hang around at home, with no job to go to.
(Justice: A Criticism of the Idea of Homo Economicus)

Now, what’s the cause of this level of suffering (and be assured that I’ve left out the even more gruesome realities)? Is it because our troops haven’t arrived there yet with their special freedom guns? Because those stupid indigenous folks don’t know how to live?

Stunningly, it’s because their traditional way of life—say what you want about it, it wasn’t like this—has been displaced by the very same “American Interests” which send out the death & rape squads in other, “less tractable” parts of the world. That’s right, folks, Global Business, the engine that drives the freedom train is directly responsible and even profits from the misery experienced in every corner of the conquered world. (Don't believe that "intractable tensions" bullshit--in every case, someone's profiting.)

So, let’s get back to vote fraud.

In that piece from Jason Miller that I linked above, we find this quote from Stephen Kinzer's blazing, Bill Blumish new book, Overthrow:

"There is no stronger or more persistent strain in the American character than the belief that the United States is a nation uniquely endowed with virtue.....This view is driven by a profound conviction that the American form of government, based on capitalism and individual political choice, is, as President Bush asserted, 'right and true for every person in every society.'"

Do we imagine that any of the current crop of “independent-minded candidates” would have the audacity (or even the desire) to contradict The Leader’s view?

Have we somehow forgotten the role that money plays in elections? Forget fraud—the whole damned thing is a product, carefully formulated to give every appearance of being a democratic process, bought & sold by the very same entities that bring us our twinkies.

Let’s assume that for whatever reason that The Script dictates (mollification of an unexpetedly restless public, etc), the Lidless Eye (wreathed in unseen flame) fell on someone like Dennis Kucinich to be a finalist in this year’s beauty pageant. If he were actually elected (and not conveniently, even sloppily/arrogantly assassinated shortly thereafter), do we imagine that he would have his way with the folks who write the laws in this pretend democracy? (They’ve dropped all pretense now—the lobbyists themselves do this now, as it’s far more efficient, as per ISO 9000 standards.)

It’s fake, people, it’s fake!

That’s why I don’t get Jeff here at all, or any of those folks who still mourn the passing of Camelot (the fake one, not the one where Arthur is still waiting for England’s most pressing hour.) Not that outrage is the only response to a pretend election in a pretend democracy. That’s where I thought Jeff was going with this; if it’s completely surreal—when Brittney and Hillary are interchangeable action figures in a culture brought to you by Hasbro®—why not respond with an equal sense of the absurd?

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.

so

We dine well here in Camelot
We eat ham and jam and spam a lot


I like Python as well as the next chap, personally, but I still prefer Pynchon’s political bottom line, described here by one reviewer of his newest, Against the Day:

...the political commitment of the novel, which can be read as a swan song for anarchism as a political alternative, and as an astonishingly coolly told story about terrorism. Pynchon has never written more up-to-the-minute than here. I for one can think of no literary response to the terror attacks of September 11, 2001 more convincing than Pynchon's poetically penetrating description of New York taken by a mountain spirit run amok. On page 1,076 a boy is asked to write an essay on "What It Means To Be An American." The student, who personally experienced the defeat of the Colorado miners' strike, answers with a single sentence: "It means doing what you're told, taking what you're offered and not striking so that you don't get shot by its soldiers." Not an easy insight for an American.

But apparently not as tough as accepting the fact that Brittney and Hillary share the same level of reality.


Finally, on to the Hipster: Schauberger was a real person, whatever that might mean to us at this end of the tunnel. While certain of his insights into the nature the water cycle—such as the role of the moon and the shape of water's best storage vessels—might provoke some mystical streams of thought, he was all about practical things like restoring the rivers and all the things made of water (including us) to health. Start with Blather.Net and go from there.

If you want the sci-fi that most resonates with old Viktor, try the all-but-unknown John Crowley’s amazing Ægypt Cycle—science fiction so real you’d think it was non-fiction...the most fictitious of all, for obvious reasons you smart people don’t need me for.


Btw, Dr. Bombay: I dig your lyricism (always have), but the cost of my beer aside (Kropotkin wouldn't have paid anything for it), why have you assigned me a girlish gender? Anything I need to be aware of? I can manly it up, if necessary...

1/17/2008 03:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Posting Tulpa said...

Jeff,

Cmon man. THe whole reason I don't watch the MSM is because this crap is so revolting entirely. Who cares? Why do you feel the need to jump on the bandwagon? Trying to get some of that "Idol" viewership over here? Honestly, does anyone care that this tramp is finally self destructing? C'mon, she is almost single handedly responsible for the hyper sexualization of adolescent girls in this country. "Play the good girlwhile they are watching, BE the bad girl when they aren't".

I am glad to see you dumping on someone besides Ron Paul. You may just very well convince me that no one is worth a vote yet!

1/17/2008 05:03:00 PM  
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1/17/2008 05:34:00 PM  
Anonymous doodad said...

Hey, I understand completely where it comes from and I trust that anyone here would act with good intentions but....we have to be aware it's there, sparkling and shiny just waiting for someone to pick it up and covet it. Like that ring thing of Tolkien's. You know, until we invent a smart pill or chip installed at birth so we all "get it."

The smart man's burden. Sigh.....

1/17/2008 05:59:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Back again (good lord, don't I have work to do?) - hoping Jeff finishes up this post or does another soon, too.
Anyway, just a couple comments - one for Art, who would like something simpler...well, get out an' dig. This is kind of an advanced center for trauma puppy secret messages and high strangeness. I ended up here whilst following some of the exact trails you mention in your post. Jeff in the past has come up with some really interesting crap. Try some of his older posts. I'm starting to see a lot of this stuff for what it is - tools for modern people-herders. Unfortunately, at the next level of illusions, there be dragons. Actually, I think they're salamanders and other amphibians - i.e. the frogs are massing below.
For whoever-it-was that thought Clintoinette there is responsible for the hypersexualization of young girls - whuh? I would investigate hormones in the milk and the generally low morals of our uneducated, inexperienced, and lazy culture before digging into her genderless pants. Someone in charge has got their hands on the Fisher-Price version of the Peopleherder's Toolkit here is what it looks like to me. Our social memes are just clumsy.
And again, to TripleG - all this fancy math and music aside (reminds me, I gotta getta copy of Godel-Escher-Bach and some acid while I'm down at the corner store) - what's your favourite sci-fi? Plus I still wanna know - are you a Heinlein fan? I still can't remember the names of the stories your most amusing namesake pops up in, darn it. Stone Family? Grandma Hazel? Can't remember. Help me out on this one, G-Man.

1/17/2008 06:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Arthur Gilroy's Penis said...

It's Not Easy Being Me

1/17/2008 07:56:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

The weird thing about the full-lotus is that it relies on electrochemical transduction -- transforming the lower emotions: fear, sadness, worry, overexcitement and anger -- into bliss-light.

So I was just in McDonalds sitting in full-lotus. It's where I had my first "O at a D" by accident about a year ago. I sit with a friend of mine who is this obese bookstore worker, older guy, about 60 or so. He gets really afraid of the full-lotus because it creates this trance state of mind that induces staring on my part. I have to stare at him to shoot energy into him to transform his fear. haha. That's really all it's about -- people will react to the full-lotus 3rd Eye trance -- the bliss-light shot of the eyes -- with usually lust (overexcitement) but sometimes fear, anger, sadness or worry. If someone's a healthy well balanced person then their lower emotions quickly are transduced from overexcitement -- sucked into the full-lotus 3rd eye vortex and shot back out at them as bliss light.

So today I sat in full-lotus for two hours straight in this anarchist cafe -- just having O at a Ds with the females in the cafe. Then I went to a Chinese buffet and sat in full-lotus for an hour there, having O at a Ds with the female server.

I don't have to stare at someone to transmit the energy but it does direct the energy. Usually this depends on a person's reaction. Most females quickly pick up on the bliss-light energy and then position themselves to best absorb the energy -- in line with my full-lotus gaze. Of course this is body language and it depends on who else is around, making it all rather contextual and complex. Sometimes females will stare at me if I'm not staring at them (so that they are sucking up my bliss-light, instead of me shooting it out), or they will use sounds to redirect my attention at them. It's all subtle body language -- usually back side displays, or whatever. If my energy is not that strong or their energy is not that strong to suck up my energy then sometimes they may react with fear or anger. The only answer to this is just keep sitting in full-lotus and the lower emotions transduce back into bliss-light.

As I've stated I can sit in full-lotus indefinitely -- today about 5 hours thus far -- just by having a yin source to suck up my yang bliss-light, thereby pulling up my yin energy (causing a mutual climax) and also sucking up further yin energy. It's an impersonal process and again after about 5 "O at a Ds" with an individual then real love is experienced.

So this is an intense process -- even dangerous I would say. The biggest danger is that most males have a "chimp" mentality -- a territoriality -- where they get pissed off if females are not attracted to them or if they don't know how to attract females, therefore projecting their anger, fear, etc. about the full-lotus 3rd Eye bliss-light. Females also assimilate this territorial mentality considering themselves to be property, etc. Again all that can be done is to shoot energy into the males as well.

The energy will be exchanged whether it's directed through my eyes or not -- you just sit in full-lotus and the 3rd Eye energy is omnidirectional, even bending space-time. The female formless awareness is our true natural foundation of reality.

1/17/2008 08:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Great Galactic Ghoul's Girlfriend said...

Not tonight baby, my 3rd eye hurts.

1/17/2008 08:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Huey P. said...

Apparently some have only recently arrived at the understanding that Ms. Rodham, like Dr. Ewen Cameron before her, revels in the sadistic pleasures of meaningless malignancy behind the Bully Pulpit.

1/17/2008 08:36:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

To both 3G and 4G - that was great. You just can't make this stuff up, man.

1/17/2008 09:02:00 PM  
Anonymous mannequin_brain said...

Clinton is a CFR member.
Obama is a CFR member.

Britney is an MK Ultra mind controlled sex slave, ever since I found this out I kind of pity her now...

1/17/2008 09:12:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Reality Theatre Presents:

The Fisher PriceTM 'Your First Conspiracy Film Festival'


IC said:

"Btw, Dr. Bombay: I dig your lyricism."

Moi aussi. Though I recognize that it's Joni from 1970, "For the Roses." Another martini for Dr. Bombay.

Dot said:

"I'm in search of the fisher price "my first conspiracy blog".

I like that. Like you I find it hard to conceive how a blog can be the best first step. Even though my first introduction to all this was thorugh books, perhaps some films would be in order.

So without further ado.

I’ve thought through a quick list of reality documentaries on the whole thing would may be the best introduction to most, instead of reading. Ease televised people from the TV world with something in their favorite medium, though with a completely different message before they go cold turkey and start reading 'old fashioned' print.

If they make it through only a few on the list, then they should start reading…perhaps my book. :-)

The Fisher Price “My First Conspiracy Film Festival”—showing all of these on a special ticket over half a year of weekends to any city’s audience would be enlightening particularly if (as I imagine the setting) you could get an old bijou theater for atmospherics.


Humorous Introduction

New Bush Coins (only slightly humorous) (5 minutes)
http://blip.tv/file/520347


Welcome to the United States

Collier brothers on Vote fraud
Vote Scam: The Stealing of America (60 minutes)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=924514983687454434

From The Programmer's Mouth: How The 2000 Election Was Fixed
9 min - Aug 2, 2006 - (688 ratings)
Curtis, ex-programmer tells all during a Congressional hearing on voting fraud. In October 2000, Curtis was asked by Tom Feeney (R), then
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky-YXvxYbck

Franklin cover-up
Conspiracy of Silence - Highest Quality Version (52 minutes)
.This is the best quality version of Conspiracy of Silence available on the Internet. The sound is greatly improved over the earlier version.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=866739408240639313

Conspiracy of Silence 2007 (with additional John De Camp excerpt)
2 hr - Nov 26, 2006 - (95 ratings)
excerpt)...Conspiracy of Silence, a documentary listed for viewing in TV Guide Magazine was to be aired on the Discovery Channel, on May 3 1994
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7725966698433381712

Dark Secrets inside Bohemian Grove:reprised
1 hr 32 min - Apr 5, 2006 - (13 ratings)
infiltration of the elite ceremonial compound, including footage from inside the owl. For the first time in history the occult pagan rituals of the global elite are captured
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8860108132595740647

The Brotherhood of Darkness
1 hr 43 min - Jul 23, 2006 - (102 ratings)
of Darkness...Dr. Stanley Monteith. It is impossible to understand the unfolding of world events without the information contained in this video. What was the
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2866704516923817439

anthony.c.Sutton
40 min - May 28, 2007 - (5 ratings)
.Sutton...the real history of the last century is not what you have been fed! read his books! "wall street and the Bolshevik revolution
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6244851259954264539

The Best Enemies Money can buy
54 min - Oct 12, 2007
...Late professor Antony C Sutton gives an interview about the unprecedented financial and technological aid which the US provided to the USSR since the birth of the marxist
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5420313553329356036

America: Freedom to Fascism - Director's Authorized Version
1 hr 51 min - May 5, 2007 - (6495 ratings)
Authorized Version...Over 3 million views before Google removed it. Get this on DVD now for $1 order at www.freedomtofascism.com

Historic Interview with Aaron Russo, Fighting Cancer and the New Wo...
1 hr 9 min - Jan 30, 2007 - (835 ratings)
and a microchipped society Aaron Russo joins Alex Jones for a fascinating sit-down in depth video interview on a plethora of important subjects. Aaron begins by describing
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5420753830426590918

Cele Castillo on the Alex Jones Report
1 hr 2 min - Jul 31, 2006 - (11 ratings)
com/awaken2thetruth Alex talks with former DEA agent and author Cele Castillo live in studio about John Negroponte, the fake drug war and US Agencies smuggling drugs into
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2520500419769933047

Benjamin Fulford interviews David Rockefeller about illuminati, asian ...
38 min - Dec 2, 2007 - (399 ratings)
asian opposition...On November 13, 2007 Fulford received a tip that David Rockefeller was on his turf, and without hesitation Fulford arranged to meet with him
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3704527408635856046

Skull & Bones Part 1 Dutch
1 hr 10 min - Apr 29, 2006 - (9 ratings)
1 Dutch...Skull & Bones
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-64417907141116636

Alex Jones - Skull and Bones The Order of Death (Final)
43 min - Jun 1, 2007 - (6 ratings)
Club and Skull and Bones and other occult secret societies. Jones explores the roots of the Grove and its links to occult networks dating back to ancient Egypt and
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1990668846539090589

conspiracy confessions, quotes from past leaders.
9 min - Aug 14, 2006 - (7 ratings)
....quotes from past presidents, ambasadors, court justices leaders ect. concerning things llike conpiracys, NWO ect. keywords banks bankers, illuminati, NWO
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3874687795742709676



Food, Commodities, and Health Fraud

Flouride Deception
29 min - Jan 30, 2006 - (48 ratings)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2886269353175462948

The REAL Reasons You Want to Avoid Genetically Modified Foods
1 hr - Nov 1, 2007 - (47 ratings) [author Jeffery Smith talking about his book Seeds of Deception]
He also sheds light on how the corruption within the US government, the FDA, and the GMO industry has allowed, and perpetuated, the cover…
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2108022965800005689

G. Edward Griffin - A World Without Cancer - The Story Of Vitamin B17...
55 min - Apr 7, 2006 - (375 ratings)
...G. Edward Griffin marshals the evidence that cancer is a deficiency disease - like scurvy or pellagra - aggravated by the lack of an essential food compound
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4312930190281243507

We Become Silent - The Last Days Of Health Freedom
29 min - Apr 6, 2006 - (112 ratings)
of Well TV announced the release of a new documentary about the threat to medical freedom of choice. 'We Become Silent: The Last Days of Health Freedom
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=451097355502728465

Nutricide - Criminalizing Natural Health, Vitamins, and Herbs
40 min - Sep 2, 2006 - (565 ratings)
and Herbs...The Codex Alimentarius is a threat to the freedom of people to choose natural healing and alternative medicine and nutrition. Ratified by the World Health
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5266884912495233634

Vandana Shiva: Planting the Seeds for Change: Women's Struggle A...
52 min - Aug 2, 2004 - (23 ratings)
of Biodiversity...Vandana Shiva is one of the world's most powerful voices for global environmental justice and cultural and ecological diversity. She is the founding director of…
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5820797504478488



Energy Fraud: Repressed Alternatives Against Oil Dependence/Artificial Scarcity

Equinox - It Runs on Water (Free Energy - 1995)
50 min - Apr 17, 2006 - (506 ratings)
: "It is not important," c: "I always said it was a good idea," and d: "I thought of it first
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2464139837181538044

March 23, 1989 Cold Fusion Press Conference at University of Utah
39 min - Feb 26, 2007
of Utah...This is where it all began: the hope, hostility, shame, controversy and chaos. After an unsuccessful negotiation with Steven E.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5820042344911746802

Excerpts from Cold Fusion: Fire from Water
38 min - Jan 5, 2007
. New Energy Institute has released an edited version of the phenomenal 1999 documentary Cold Fusion: Fire from Water, produced by Eugene Mallove and Christopher Toussaint. Mallove
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6426393169641611451

Steven B. Krivit, New Energy Times Editor, Report from ACS Chicago
44 min - Apr 8, 2007
ACS Chicago...From Cold Fusion To Low Energy Nuclear Reactions: 2007 Update Presentation by Steven B. Krivit, editor of New Energy Times, at the
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1944189360430905288

The War Against Cold Fusion [part 1 of 5]
11 min - Oct 16, 2007 - (48 ratings)
us. In the past, we were told by the media that "Cold Fusion" was a fraud - that it would never work. Well, you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTBSp1QvCuw

Author Edwin Black Launches Internal Combustion At Nova Southeast...
40 min - Sep 13, 2006
Southeastern University...New York Times Best-Selling Investigative Author reveals "How We Became Addicted to Oil and How to Break the Addiction Right
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2785279554152249422



Corporatism/Fascism: World War II “isn’t over” the Nazis are still there

John Buchanan; From Martial Law 9-11; Alex Jones (9 min)
Alex Jones interviews Journalist John Buchanan about the history between The Bush family's friendship with the 3rd Reich. From Martial Law 9-11: Rise Of the Police Alex Jones interviews Journalist John Buchanan about the history between The Bush family's friendship with the 3rd Reich. From Martial Law 9-11: Rise Of the Police State, Used Without Permission. (more)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4-TL5AGHFY

JFK II - the Bush Connection
1 hr 28 min - Dec 10, 2006 - (74 ratings)
Bush Connection...A thorough, documented, criminal indictment of George Herbert Walker Bush, establishing beyond a reasonable doubt his guilt as a supervisor in the conspiracy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3967677791931129793

Mind Control & MKULTRA, Cathy O'Brien and Mark Phillips, (Edmont...
1 hr 44 min - Jul 24, 2006 - (66 ratings)
21)...Mark Phillips and Cathy O'Brien expose the Federal Government's involvement in Mind Control projects, research, and abuse of its' own people
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7461738120783343519

MKULTRA Mind Control Revealed - The True Story (1998)
40 min - Aug 11, 2007 - (11 ratings)
for child sexual slavery. Brice Taylor is the highest level, healed survivor of MKULTRA trauma-based mind control, ever to go public. Beginning in 1985
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2444293686461089876

The corporation
3 hr - Jan 1, 2004 - (194 ratings)
The corporation...THE CORPORATION explores the nature and spectacular rise of the dominant institution of our time. Footage from pop culture, advertising, TV news,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=192012118972057552

THE CORPORATION [17/23] Unsettling Accounts
11 min - Feb 11, 2007 - (156 ratings)
of drinking milk treated with the synthetic hormone, but threatened with legal action from Monsanto, Fox wants the negative effects played down. The court eventually throws out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkDikRLQrw

Naomi Klein on The Shock Doctrine, The Rise of Disaster Capitalism
59 min - Dec 20, 2007 - (5 ratings)
...Award-winning journalist, author and filmmaker Naomi Klein details what she calls the “the shock doctrine”: the use of public disorientation following massive
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1319477497156064599

The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism
55 min - Oct 1, 2007 - (89 ratings)
Disaster Capitalism...Talk by Naomi Klein author of "The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism" given September 27, 2007 at Town Hall Seattle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNzcJImX4Ew

ENDGAME- ALEX JONES - Blueprint for Global Enslavement
2 hr 19 min - Oct 25, 2007 - (4494 ratings)
Jones by subscribing to prisonplanet.tv and/or purchasing a DVD copy of ENDGAME. A high-definition version of this film is available for download at
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261



Putting the Missing Corner Piece on the Puzzle

UFO's - The Secret Government
1 hr 29 min - Apr 12, 2007
smuggling cocaine into the US and Black Ops. William Cooper was assassinated at his home on November 5th 2001 by the US government....Bill Cooper UFO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=App2uRxZ4Iw

Behold a Pale Horse
4 hr 40 min - May 14, 2006 - (467 ratings)
including major attacks upon the 'heartland' of America was accurate." William Cooper, a former military intelligence officer and world renowned lecturer and writer, was
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-729985813912005672

Phil Schneider - August 1995 Lecture
1 hr 53 min - Jun 2, 2006 - (59 ratings)
1995 Lecture...Phil Schneider was a geologist, structural engineer, and underground tunneling expert who participated in the construction of many deep underground cities and bases in
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3403113138974316606

Phil Schneider - November 1995 Lecture
1 hr 10 min - Jun 2, 2006 - (92 ratings)
1995 Lecture...Phil Schneider was a geologist, structural engineer, and underground tunneling expert who participated in the construction of many deep underground cities and bases in
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9042499324182317197

The Ufo lecture by Philip Schneider that got him murdered
1 hr 11 min - Jan 14, 2007 - (1460 ratings)
//realufos.blogspot.com This story is very shocking indeed. Philip Schneider was a engineer who worked for the US government and in the last few
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b5Ea3dgK3c



911/state terrorism

911 The Road To Tyranny - Alex Jones [important Murrah 1995 state terrorism story information from the Clinton presidency]
2 hr 22 min - Mar 8, 2006 - (704 ratings)
911: The Road to Tyranny is shaking the foundations of Washington, DC as the definitive film on what really happened on Sept. 11th and who stands to
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6517776133137328105

911: In Plane Site - The Directors Cut - Full High Quality Video
1 hr 12 min - Jan 29, 2007 - (285 ratings)
MILLION people worldwide. Has shown on National TV stations in over a dozen different countries! Our great nation in is dire danger, so please make sure you
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5386487651203625811

Terrorstorm Final Cut
2 hr 14 min - Jul 14, 2007 - (251 ratings)
Final Cut...New and Updated. Has Additional 17 minutes of new footage and interviews. Watch and
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8136133221213939183

Loose Change 2nd Edition Recut
1 hr 29 min - Aug 16, 2006 - (13950 ratings)
...Dylan Avery, Korey Rowe, and Jason Bermas bring you the most powerful 9/11 Documentary yet. Updated!!!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501

THE SECRET WORLD OF MOHAMED ATTA
24 min - Feb 20, 2006 - (21 ratings)
MOHAMED ATTA...An exclusive 19-minute video interview with Amanda Keller, Mohamed Atta’s erstwhile American girlfriend, refuting sworn testimony given by a
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7746174590105525480

Mohamad Atta and the Venice Flying Circus (abridged)
28 min - Sep 6, 2006 - (23 ratings)
madcowprod.com Hopsicker details connections between the owners of the flight schools, corporate fraudsters, intelligence operatives, and drug traffickers. Independent of Hopsicker, former FBI
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6456867285177039347

Kris Millegan at San Francisco 9/11 Conference - P.1
10 min - Jun 22, 2007 - (3 ratings)
.1...Kris Millegan's presentation at San Francisco 9/11 Conference, 2004. God, Man, Magic at Yale — The Order of Skull &
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JpEJlwjP34

Kris Millegan at San Francisco 9/11 Conference - P.2
10 min - Jun 22, 2007 - (1 rating)
.2...Kris Millegan's presentation at San Francisco 9/11 Conference, 2004. God, Man, Magic at Yale — The Order of Skull &
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o72FAPEM6zc

Kris Millegan at San Francisco 9/11 Conference - P.3
10 min - Jun 22, 2007 - (1 rating)
.3...Kris Millegan's presentation at San Francisco 9/11 Conference, 2004. God, Man, Magic at Yale — The Order of Skull &
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP0fwlYWxRU

Kris Millegan at San Francisco 9/11 Conference - P.4
7 min - Jun 22, 2007 - (2 ratings)
.4...Kris Millegan's presentation at San Francisco 9/11 Conference, 2004. God, Man, Magic at Yale — The Order of Skull &
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcxyarsKmYw

Webster Griffin Tarpley @ DC911Truth.org Conference 11/11/06
1 hr 18 min - Dec 28, 2006 - (17 ratings)
at George Mason University. DVD 2-Disk set: Webster Griffin Tarpley. Summary: Webster Griffin Tarpley historian, investigative journalist, and author of 9/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3796492387241903065

David Ray Griffin - 911 and the American Empire (2005)
1 hr 22 min - Apr 11, 2006 - (59 ratings)
2005)...David Ray Griffin, an acclaimed philosopher-theologian and author of the 9/11 truth blockbusters "The New Pearl Harbor" and "
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3538037502590699697

911 - David Ray Griffin in DC 9-24 2005
33 min - Apr 12, 2006 - (234 ratings)
just facts... The way it should be presented. Better than his Madison WI leture. An excelent video to share with frinds and family, without
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8526790279017094192

1/18/2008 12:05:00 AM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

IC: If in any way I have insulted
your..ahem.."manhood", all apologies!
I do believe that I was the first to
proclaim: IC FOR PRESIDENT 2008!

Mark: You are correct Sir! Give that
man a cheroot. I thought about
giving the attribution (Joni) but I
think it makes it more of a mind tease if you don't. Great vid picks. Looks like my bookmarks list.

wwwdot: 'ello mate! Don't forget..
I take tea at three..I'll bring
the strum..ahh..crumpets!

Very sharp, very amusing comments
EVERYONE!!

1/18/2008 02:36:00 AM  
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1/18/2008 07:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We want Shrub. This place is boring wihtout him.

1/18/2008 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

he's still here. he's posting as lord reptor.

1/18/2008 10:50:00 AM  
Anonymous doodad's doodad said...

I don't think so. I think he's posting as doodad.

1/18/2008 11:28:00 AM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

OK well let's start with the second question which I didn't answer:

Original Sin -- where does it come from. You'd have to read my blogbook http://mothershiplanding.blogspot.com -- but basically "sin" is the Sumerian moon god transformed into divide and average ratios.

Well it's an older problem than that --- Jacques Cauvin calls it the "symbolic revolution" of around 10,000 BCE.

Essentially rectilinear "divide and average" abstract art was a philosophical revolution FIRST which then launched plow-based agriculture and rectilinear housing, thereby destroying all circular housing that up till then had been the necessary symbol for lunar, female power.

As the Chinese used to say: Don't Disturb the Earth Dragon (got that from Harry Franck's "Roaming Across Southern China," an excellent 1920s on-the-ground analysis.

Anyway that new "anti-matter" online zine has excerpts of Kingsley's REALITY -- it's on http://peterkingsley.com -- in the articles site.

He trashes Plato. What he says on Gorgias is excellent as well. I had to read Gorgias before I visited St. Johns College, a "Great Books" school in Santa Fe requiring ancient Greek study. My tour for several days was led by this Roma female -- a big boned Gypsy. haha.

It's not just that current commentators are wrong but that everyone's been wrong since Plato and Aristotle.

As for Archytas -- well the whole "thrust" of my earlier article -- "Secrets of the Greek Freemasonic Miracle", chapter 4 of http://mothershiplanding.blogspot.com is that the top Western mathematicians have tried but failed to figure out how Archytas used music ratios. Up till now the proof for Archytas' doubling of the cube relies on pure geometry -- even when applied to the music scale, using Euclidian similar triangles. There's one online article showing this application of Euclidian triangles to the music scale for doubling the cube, but the article assumes the value of the root of five, without showing how to solve for the root of five, which relies on the square root of two. Typical circular mathematic reasoning -- huge wholes in it! haha. What my research shows is the connection to Archytas' use of the Babylonian equation for harmonics, again using "divide and average" logarithmics.

As my article states the Secret of the Greek Freemasonic Miracle is:

1:5/4::8/5:2.

That's the music ratio, 1:Major Third::Minor Sixth:Octave, solution for doubling the cube.

Now Simon Stevin blatantly stated fuck the perfect fifths foundation for overtones -- which Archytas was still using, as 5:4 is just 10:8 from 9:8 as 3:2 squared, divided by two.

So Simon Stevin continues Archytas' original sin -- the bait and switch of complementary opposite harmonics (whereby lunar and solar resonate back to female formless awareness) and doesn't state how Archtyas first justified using the square root of two.

This jump in logic has been conveniently ignored by music theorists, up till my research.

So I'd like to think I'm on par with Kingsley in a way - I was a philosophy major declaration when I started at Hampshire College -- my advisor was a Kenyan expert in Heidegger. I had decided against St. John's because it didn't seem relevant to practical problem solving like Hampshire College(i.e. radical progressive activism which I focused on with real public results). So it's highly ironic that my research naturally led me back to Gorgias, Plato, etc.

As for seeing auras -- When I sit in full-lotus enough, taking in the yin electrochemical energy, transducing it through the lower emotion vortex (anger, lust, fear, sadness, worry) into bliss-light yang energy, and then shooting it back to the source of the yin energy -- then I see white light around peoples' heads.

So a couple nights ago I was explaining this to a 20 year old Egyptian-American who works at the local Rotisseria where they've let me read while sitting in full-lotus.

We had been discussing the Koran, why I don't take sugar in my tea, how my body is really sensitive to nutrition, Ramadan, full-lotus posture, soccer, etc.

So I showed him the vagus nerve pulsations as this seems to convince people readily that the full-lotus is not just a flexibility issue.

Then he wanted to know more so I told him about qigong master Chunyi Lin -- justing calling him this Chinese teacher. I explained to him "bigu" and my own experience in going 8 days on only half a glass of water while doing alchemy.

He seemed very interested in alchemy since the word comes from Egyptian arabic.

Anyway then I explained the above process to him and shot energy at him, while telling him I was doing so. He just let me do this -- looking into his eyes, my vagus nerve pulsating, while I sat in full-lotus, directly across from him.

Then I said -- see now I can see white light around your head -- but all of this is meditated by consciousness -- everything is consciousness. He smiled when I had told him I could see white light around his head.

Then he had a customer to attend to. haha.

1/18/2008 11:44:00 AM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Hey, I may live in the bush, but I'm no shrub. Mark - why not post a link? That was loooonnnggg and I've only got the one scrollwheel mouse left alive.
I wish Jeff would finish this one or do another - I suspect he may be getting tired of all this, but I sure have enjoyed the site over the years.
I have to go finish cleaning my basement now. I still haven't found what's been thumping down there.
I think mannequin's right about Spears - but it doesn't make her more worthy of attention. Just a cog in the machine.
And what IS Hilarity there on? That is one heavy f*cken stone.
Off to battle the beasts of below,
Lord Reptor

1/18/2008 01:27:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"To be given a reality of pedophile politicians, covered up satanic ritual abuse, and general high weirdness as your first taste of alternative media doesn't really sink well."

www, did you ever think that the reason this blog doesn't "resonate" with anyone could possibly be because the folk you're showing it to have a bit of knowledge about the subject. About how the satanic ritual crap that passes for "insight" here has a long & sordid history leading directly from the Inquisition straight through a series of liars, con-men, paranoid Christian whack-jobs, Jack Chick tracts, & young guys looking to get hummers from gullible Christian women.

For example:

In the Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, published in 1974, a man named Serge Kordeiv claims that he and his wife were asked to join a Black Magic group. One night, a chauffeur-driven car appeared and whisked them away to "a large Victorian House."

In the red-draped ritual room stood an altar on which 6 black candles burned. "Facing us, in a half-circle, were about a dozen hooded and robed figures."
A strange incense was used that he suspected may have contained hashish. The ceremony was officiated over by "the master, " who always wore a Devil's mask so that they never knew his identity.

Soon after Serge's initiation he received "unexpected checks from my agent. I was inundated with requests for work from magazines, and almost everything I touched seemed to turn to gold." He and his wife went to several more meetings that were identical to the first, except for one occasion when a young girl was accused of betraying the group's secrets to an outsider. Her punishment took the form of her acting as a naked altar as a cockerel was sacrificed over her in order to cause the death of the man she had betrayed the group to. Kordeiv goes on to say that the man, a well-known business-man, suffered a heart-attack that very night.


Now, for anyone who has seen Eyes Wide Shut, I think you'd admit that this is eerily similar to that film. Chauffeur-driven cars that bring participants to a "large Victorian House," hooded and robed figures, a masked "master" officiating at an arcane ritual.
Hell, even their willingness to murder at secrets betrayed.
It's all there.

There is one slight problem though.

4 years earlier, a book entitled Modern Witchcraft was published. In the section titled "Modern Satanism," Mr. Kordeiv tells a different story.

In this one he only attended "one such ceremony," and this time the participants were completely naked apart from black face masks. This time the ritual was enacted over the nude body of a girl acting as the altar. After the ritual was completed the master had sex with the girl. He said she started to bleed. Kordeiv then said, "I am almost certain that the 'priest' was wearing some sort of spiked ring around his penis which lacerated the woman as he entered her." Kordeiv said that after some "drunken dancing, drug taking, and general sexual activity," he "left early and never returned."


Hmmmm....that's quite a discrepancy.

He stayed for many rituals yet he left after one and never returned.
The participants were hooded and robed yet they were naked.
It seems those pesky Satanists can alter reality, or at least a human's perception of reality, eh?

Or he was lying.

As I remember it, the Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology was a right popular book at my local library back in dim dark 70s.
I'm sure it was the same in others areas of this occult obsessed world.
I wonder if Kubrick read it.
Or at least one like it.
In the field of Satanic exposes, these stories pass around like one big superstition circle-jerk. Authors using each other as sources, while no one checks, or cares to check, primary source material.

In Britain, during the mid-50s, there were a series of newspaper articles detailing much the same thing. They were all directly traceable back to a woman named Sarah Jackson. When she first turned over her "dossier" on satanism to the authorities, they investigated, but found no evidence to back up any of her claims.
Of course, that didn't stop the press.
She popped up as a witness in newspaper stories again and again as the sole source.
With one exception: The journalists found a priest, Reverend F. Amphlett Micklewright (great name) who "spoke of wild orgies in places where the atmosphere was drugged with ether or chloroform, the smell being camouflaged by the burning of incense."

Gerald Gardner has pointed out that if you introduce burning incense into a room sprayed with ether the only thing you'll get is an explosion. And a room sprayed with chloroform will most likely only make participants very ill.
You don't often see too many vomiting people who also want to fuck.
Oh, I'm sure there's probably some internet 'vomit while fucking' sub-cult out there, but I'd bet it's a rare & outre group of Satanists who are looking to vomit as they fuck.

If any of this is true, and Kubrick was cobbling together bits from the very ample amount of anti-Satanist hysteria that exists out there, then surely no one would be disappointed at this, would they?

I mean, no one is actually dumb enough to believe that Kubrick was spilling the beans on actual events, are they?

Oops, I forgot where i was for a minute, just ignore that last bit.


Or, if that don't grab ya, there's the sordid tale of Mike Warnke, ex-Satanist Christian preacher who was doing a Wells before Wells ever dreamed of it.

He wrote a book called the Satan Seller. You should look it up. It has all the elements of RI, incredible claims against "famous" people, world-wide Satanic conspiracies, the Illuminati, etc.


Warnke says that in 1965, while a student at San Bernadino, he began a long drug & alchohol spiral that led him to finally start injecting speed.

One fellow student who he sold drugs to was, he felt, a satanist, and this student's friends invited Warnke to join their organization.

Warnke says that he quickly rose in the ranks to become a "Master Counselor.
Warnke said that, during his 1965-1966 stay with the Satanists, he expanded the satanic ranks under him from 500 to 1500 during a time when the the only known "White Witch" in California had to learn her craft through correspondence and wasn't even able to form a coven until 1968.

Also during this time period, Warnke says he heard whispers about the Illuminati & he came to the conclusion that the Satanist conspiracy was world-wide & responsible for the assassinations of both Martin Luther King & Robert Kennedy.

A fairly neat trick since they weren't shot until 1968.

Warnke wrote his book after converting to Christianity, another organization whose ranks he quickly rose in primarily because of his earlier Satanist dabblings.

One Christian preacher who took a particular shine to Warnke was Morris Cerullo, founder of Morris Cerullo World Evangelism who hired warnke to tour with his anti-Wicca Witchmobile.

Cerullo also wrote a book entitled The Back Side of satan. In it he said that Warnke had attended, in January 1966, a conference held by the Church of Satan, where he (gasp) saw Charles manson in attendence.

Another neat trick since the Church of Satan wasn't founded until April 1966 and manson didn't get out of jail in 1967.

Now, I remember Warnke. I used to watch him in a drunken stupor on late night tv. I used to call him the rock & roll preacher, but you can picture him as a curly haired jeans & leather clad Bret Michaels with a rocker wife not very dissimilar, in look or i.q., from the bimbettes on Michaels show.

In 1991, 2 journalists attempted to verify Warnke's wild claims. This led them to his fiancee from that period who said, I've been waiting 25 years for someone to ask me about Mike Warnke's story. He's a pathological liar." Warnke's friends from that period all concur. As one said, "Anything brought up in conversation, he'd done it."

Soon after, Warnke's "Ministry" was investigated by the IRS who found that in 1991, Warnke had paid himself $800,000, he paid his wife 303,840, and he paid his brother-in-law $214,000, while saving a whopping $900 for charitable purposes.

From what I can see, these satan stories have been around forever. Endlessly retold with minor variations. For example, in the 60s and 70s when the sexual revolution was considered shocking, orgies between adults was considered horrible enough. But by the jaded 80s, a new element was added: child abuse.

The lesson here, I think, is that no matter how much people think they've divorced themselves from Christian horror stories, that influence never really goes away.
Given the right circumstances, anyone can find themselves gullible enough to believe them.

1/18/2008 02:56:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

@JAD - Yeah, and those dam' lyin' toddlers at McMartin just got caught up in the frenzy, eh?
Just because there is no truth to 'the Devil' doesn't mean people don't have garden parties in honour of that untruth.
Religions and ideologies are tools for fools to use other fools. Secret religions are no different, just more specialized. They've worked well for dog's years. Dragging such sordid and sorry crap into the light is just one of the jobs we humans have to do as we grow up.
The details of said garden parties are probably very distorted, and intentionally so, on their way to your eyes. Reports of such activities are likely to be designed to attract usable fools while providing the cover of mainstream disbelief.
Disbelief doesn't stop fools from getting up to some ugly business. Hell, I grew up in the city which spawned Michelle Remembers - the Swiss Army Knife of 'Satanist' propaganda.
On the topic of humpy creeps, a psychiatrist family friend put me on an interesting mental path once by mentioning that sex therapy helped Down's syndrome people reach independence and self-sufficiency - i.e. hire a hooker and they grow up.
He then extended this theory to cover victims of seduction-style child rape - i.e. they get adult in a hurry, and not just sexually. Trauma is a training tool. Orgasm is a much better one.
Using a big mental thumbtack, place that observation like a transparency over Roman elite sexual practices. Add in the social place of shaving and the Hitler Jugend.
Imagine - the strength of an adult, the vigour and impressionability of a child, and the 'love' of a Senatorial Sugardaddy.
The spiked ring you mention sounds reasonably likely - simulate virginity for the fool's puppet show.
Watch (better yet, read) LeCarre's TinkerTailorSoldierSpy with this set of hats on. It's very revealing.
The whole thing is just a toolset for building loyal and powerful social cadres around yourself.
And watch out for beardless youths with knowing eyes.

1/18/2008 03:39:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

The fact that a video is available on the net makes me immediately suspect something. It's the ones you can't find anymore that we should have been watching.

As for the IQ of the posters here; We do have to account for a certain maturation process. It's sort of like UfO's. We get off the bus when we can no longer suspend our disbelief and the ones who went further with suspension have to circle and wagons, and drive the herd to hurdling over the next precipice. For the moment, I happen to believe the planet has been infiltrated by aliens and they are here for the long haul. And we aren't.

1/18/2008 05:32:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Reptor, ever read about their testimony and how it was extracted?

If you have I don't see how you believe what you believe unless it's what you want to believe.

If not, you should because you're talking out of your hat.

You may not know this but children are easily led, especially by folk they view as authority figures. They also appear to be amazingly adept at making the most astounding shit up without any rational impetus whatsoever.

The thing about Satanic Ritual stories is that, for all their incredible claims, there's no real evidence to back any of it up.

Most believers say that it just shows the power of these Satanic covens. But I think it's kind of amazing that the Satanists are incredibly adept at removing evidence but they're so fucking inept at silencing ex-practitioners or victims who blow the whistle on their nefarious activities.

What I listed in my previous post is just the teeniest tip of the iceberg pal.
I could literally flood this blog for days on end with examples of debunked Satan stories that are eerily similar to things spoken of here.

I would if I thought it would do any good but I know from experience that dissuading believers from the cause is fairly pointless here at RI.

I'd even concentrate on McMartin if I thought it would do any good.
Again, I know from experience that the rationalizations of conspiracy theorists always trump anything as inconsequential as evidence.

Cheapjack horror movies like to use the "My name is legion" bullshit to describe Ol' Scratch but, in actuality, the number of whistle blowers with invented evidence-less scare stories about Satanic covens are legion.

Look at the world & all its horrors bud, did Satanists do it, or is it the result of Western Christians with a Biblical mandate to re-create the world in their own tolerance free image while they engage in oodles of hoggish consumption?

Fructedor said to me: "the off button don't work when there's nothing better to replace the oracle."

Now I'd say, what is wrong with silence?
I think what's wrong, for most folk, is that silence leaves you alone with yourself. Without tv or video or the latest alterna-dick band to drown your own voice with, your stuck staring into a mirror.


What were we defending after 911? Our lifestyle, right?
A lifestyle that leads to the average westerner making 32 times the trash that the average 3rd worlder makes.

Ever here the saying "If the devil didn't exist, we'd have to invent him."

I think, primarily, because looking in the mirror and accepting responsibility for our own actions is so damn painful.

It's easier to blame Satan or the elite or the garbage man than ourselves.

After all, "Satan made me do it," is only second to "God made me do it" in the excuse bag of criminals everywhere.

The lesson of books like When Prophecy Fails is that some of us need to believe in something. Doesn't matter if it's true or if it's rational or if there's any evidence for it, in the end, we need to believe.

Around here the "belief" need has fallen on world-wide Satanic conspiracies.
While understandable from a human perspective, it still doesn't make any of it remotely "true."

BTW, quoting "your psychiatrist" doesn't really hold much water as evidence. How do you know he wasn't an isolated nut?

Al once quoted Reich's view that kids should be taken from families & raised by magically non-neurotic adults. Personally, I have yet to meet a non-neurotic adult, although I"m sure old Wilhelm viewed himself as such.

And implying that isolated "garden parties" justify a world-wide Satanic conspiracy is just funny. Intellectually lax maybe, but funny none the less.

1/18/2008 06:19:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

d said:

"Most believers say that it just shows the power of these Satanic covens. But I think it's kind of amazing that the Satanists are incredibly adept at removing evidence but they're so fucking inept at silencing ex-practitioners or victims who blow the whistle on their nefarious activities. [oh? well you're work is cut out for you below]

What I listed in my previous post is just the teeniest tip of the iceberg pal.

I could literally flood this blog for days on end with examples of debunked Satan stories that are eerily similar to things spoken of here."


You should do so then instead of emptily talking about it.

Suggested reading to the contrary though:

1. Programmed to Kill: The Politics of Serial Murder by David McGowan (Paperback - Aug 16, 2004)

2. Blood on the Altar: The Secret History of the World's Most Dangerous Secret Society by Craig Heimbichner (Paperback - Jan 3, 2005) [The OTO]

3. Bohemian Grove: Cult Of Conspiracy by Mike Hanson (Paperback - Sep 27, 2004)

Another worthy read:

4.

Jeff Gannon, Johnny Gosch, Hunter Thompson, and Bohemian Grove snuff porn
Friday, February 25, 2005

I've been watching this story percolate since the weekend, and with Thursday's return of "Jeff Gannon" to the blogosphere with a column entitled "Fear and Loathing in the Press Room" really bringing it all full circle, several questions are begged here.

As the Jeff Gannon story progressed and turned into a Bush White House homosexual prostitution scandal, Internet investigators started asking if there could be a connection to the previous Bush White House homosexual prostitution scandal.

If you recall, the stories of 15-year-old callboys wandering through the White House in the middle of the night was linked to the "Franklin Cover-Up" case exposed by Nebraska State Sen. John DeCamp. In that case, a Republican operative named Larry King was involved with procuring boys and girls from Boys Town in Nebraska and elsewhere and entrapping them in a child sex-slave and espionage ring. King, with an annual salary of under 20K, was throwing sex parties for the powerful in a $5,000-a-month condo in Washingotn, DC; apparently taping the proceedings for blackmail purposes.

http://www.eliotbooks.com/Liz5X7X72.jpg
One of the victims of this ring was one Paul Bonacci, who testified in court proceedings that he helped kidnap Johnny Gosch into this ring in 1982. It was apparently at 2:29 AM, Sunday, Feb. 20 that the question was first asked -- is "Jeff Gannon" really Johnny Gosch?

By the end of the day, Hunter S. Thompson was reported dead.

This is where it gets really interesting. Bonacci also testified that he was forced in July 1984 to participate in a homosexual/pedophilic/necrophilic orgy at (what has since been identified as) the Bohemian Grove; all of which was filmed. And according to Bonacci, the man in charge of the filming was someone picked up in Las Vegas on the plane headed to the Grove, a man who Bonacci was told was one "Hunter Thompson."

No doubt most people who came across this information in the past and were familiar with Thompson's work dismissed the idea that the man behind the camera could have been the famous writer. After all, this was a man who has been fighting the like of Nixon and Bush his entire career.

But could Thompson have been brought to the Grove by someone who presented it as an opportunity to investigate what the power elite was up to behind closed doors? Could Thompson have quickly found himself in over his head, compromised, by virtue of his very presence at this horrific crime, by the men he thought he was investigating undercover? (Or perhaps compromised some other way -- perhaps for instance, he was surreptiously filmed with an adult female prostitute who was then murdered. But I digress.)

But back for now to the "Who is Jeff Gannon?" question. James D. Guckert seems to have appeared out of nowhere around 1999, setting up male escort websites. In profiles on these sites from around 2001, "Jeff" said he was 31 years old, closer to Johnny Gosch's age than James Guckert's. (Guckert/Gannon claims to be 47 today.)

"Jeff Gannon" aka "James Guckert" also was attending alumni events at the TKE fraternity of West Chester college in Pennsylvania. Local media called the college and confirmed that a "James Guckert" graduated from West Chester in 1980; but apparently no one has checked yearbooks and such to confirm if the same man seems to be depicted.

http://www.total411.info/goschguckertgannon.jpg

Could "James Guckert" be just another false identity? Another Democratic Underground investigator found 1986 and 1987 pictures of a "Jeff Guckert" from Fairview High School, in that same Pennsylvania/Delaware border area that "James D. Guckert" (aka "Jeff Gannon") claimed residence on his escort & porn websites and was cited for $20,000 in back taxes. "Jeff Guckert" would have been about the same age as Johnny Gosch when he was playing high school golf.

Did Gosch go on to assume the identity of "James Guckert," a man ten years older than himself, some time in the 1990s?

http://www.johnnygosch.com/graphics/Noreen.jpg
Consider this, from his mother Noreen's Johnny Gosch Foundation website in 2001:

Johnny was subjected to severe trauma and torture of a satanic and sexual nature, in order to intentionally destroy the conscious personality.... brainwashing. This intentional application of trauma is a systematic procedure used to control these victims, in order to use them in sexual slavery, pornography and more.

In February 1999, in Federal Court testimony in Omaha Nebraska, Noreen Gosch [pictured] testified that Johnny Gosch came to see her in 1997, providing information about his experience, asking for his mother's help and pleading for her to not reveal his visit.

Johnny is now 31 years old. After years of suffering tremendous torture and pain at the hands of his captors, being used and abused, he and several others escaped. They have been living in hiding under new identities... they fear for their lives.

People ask ... why is it necessary for someone to hide and live this way..... It is simple, Johnny can identify many of the people involved and would be a threat to the very people who took him. He is known as the "chameleon". Why? Because he can so completely change his appearance.

Chameleon? Again, on DU, someone points to a purple blemish on Jeff's chest in one of his circa 2002 "escort" photos, asking if that is the mark left by birthmark removal. According tohis mother Johnny "the Chameleon" Gosch still had the birthmark in 1997.

In one of his first interviews, on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360, "Jeff Gannon" said "James Guckert" "[i]s the name on my driver's license." His handlers have apparently warned him on that point and he now claims it is his "given name."

So, what's the deal here?

Is Jeff Gannon really Johnny Gosch? Noreen Gosch refuses to confirm or deny.

If Gannon is Gosch, what is going on with him? Is his strange behavior a result of years of brainwashing? Or is it something more? Is it possible he drew attention to himself during that January 26 press conference to pique the curiousity of citizen investigators? To draw attention to the dark side of the past 24 years of the Bush regime? He invited this investigation after the press conference (and before the "escort" revelations) by publishing a column titled "Hiding in Plain Sight." This was within days of Franklin cover-up figure George Paul's Bishop sudden arrest.

And, did that investigation have anything to do with the death of Hunter Thompson? Sherman Skolnick and Tom Heneghen at Cloak & Dagger Internet Radio say Thompson was working on a book about high-level sex rings; though they haven't offered a source. But that claim aside, we still have the timing of Thompson's reported death coinciding with these investigations. Did Thompson kill himself out of shame for his part in what happened at the Grove? Was he murdered to shut him up? Or did he fake his death to go underground while all this was breaking?

Is there anything at all to these questions? "Jeff Gannon" hints at a "yes" by putting up a new website headlined by a piece titled after Thompson's most famous works.


It's all "in plain sight" -- albeit through the looking glass.

http://www.libertythink.com/2005/02/jeff-gannon-johnny-gosch-hunter.html

John DeCamp said in a talk that the only thing that he purged out of the first edition of the Franklin Cover-Up book was Bonacci's information that he was taken to a place with a large owl and tall trees where ritualized snuff films were created. At the time, before the outing of Bohemian Grove, DeCamp thought that was sort of over the edge. No longer though. Bonacci identified the place from pictures as well, where he was taken was Bohemian Grove. Bonacci in a court suit was given 1 million restitution from Black Republican Larry King several years ago becuase the court/judge found the whole story absolutely true, owls, tall trees, snuff films, forced child rape/sex, everything.

5.

After Thompson was 'suicided' in the middle of talking on the phone to his wife, this happened:

Title: Photographer for White House child sex ring arrested after Thompson 'suicide'
Author: tomflocco.com
Date: 2005.03.14 10:36
Description: Arran posted this in comments, but the details are worth a seperate post. If you've been looking for an article that puts all the theories and facts on the table about the franklin coverup as related to Gosch, tom flocco with the help of other researchers(mary schneider/andy stephenson) put this together. Updated Quotes from Noreen Gosch and John DeCamp are worth the read. http://tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=107&mode=&order=0&thold=0

"The Justice Department, acting through the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office in Omaha, emerges from the record of the Franklin investigations not so much as a party to the cover-up, but as its coordinator. Rigging grand juries, harassment of witnesses, incitement to perjury and tampering with evidence--federal personnel were seen to apply all of those techniques in the Franklin case. (John W. DeCamp, Esq., The Franklin Cover-up, Second Edition, January 2005)

Bless the Beasts and the Children

Photographer for White House child sex ring arrested after Thompson suicide

by Tom Flocco

WASHINGTON -- March 13, 2005 -- TomFlocco.com -- Photographer Russell E. "Rusty" Nelson was recently arrested two days after journalist Hunter Thompson reportedly committed suicide four weeks ago on February 10, according to two phone interviews with attorney John DeCamp last week.

Nelson was allegedly employed by a former Republican Party activist to take pictures of current or retired U.S. House-Senate members and other prominent government officials engaging in sexual criminality by receiving or committing sodomy and other sex acts on children during the Reagan-Bush 41 administrations.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40849000/jpg/_40849155_huntercloser_ap203b.jpg
="">Hunter Thompson's death and the news blackout of Rusty Nelson's simultaneous arrest raise questions that someone may be attempting to limit Nelson's freedom or threaten him, since according to testimony, both men had allegedly witnessed homosexual prostitution and pedophile criminal acts in a suppressed but far-reaching child sex-ring probe closely linked to Senate and House members--but also former President George H. W. Bush. [In U.S. District Court testimony, Rusty Nelson told Judge Warren Urbom he took 20,000 to 30,000 pictures, 2-5-1999, p.52]

Pedophile victim Paul Bonacci--kidnapped and forced into sex slavery between the ages of 6 and 17--told U.S. District Court Judge Warren Urbom in sworn testimony [pp.105, 124-126] on February 5, 1999: "Where were the parties?...down in Washington, DC...and that was for sex...There was sex between adult men and other adult men but most of it had to do with young boys and young girls with the older folks...specifically for sex with minors...Also in Washington, DC, there were parties after a party...there were a lot of parties where there would be senators and congressmen who had nothing to do with the sexual stuff. But there were some senators and congressmen who stayed for the [pedophile sex] parties afterwards...on a lot of the trips he took us on he had us, I mean, I met some people that I don't feel comfortable telling their name because I don't want to --- ...Q: Are you scared?...Yes..."

DeCamp, a former Nebraska state senator and decorated Vietnam War vet, told TomFlocco.com "there are tons of pictures still left; law enforcement is currently looking for them," adding, "you can also assume there are senators and congressmen implicated; otherwise this would not be such a big issue."But nofederal official has stepped forward to protect Rusty Nelson's life,as Congress would be reluctant to hold hearings or force a federal prosecutor to probe its own members for sex acts with children--still punishable by law.

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Sex with minors?

In his testimony before Judge Urbom, Bonacci specifically named Congressman Barney Frank (D-MA) as having participated in the parties--also telling the judge he had "relationships with him" in Washington, DC and was flown to Massachusetts for sex in the basement of Frank's Boston home.
[2-5-1999, p. 126]

However, Urbom did not subpoena all the photos and did not ask Bonacci to identify photos of specificsenators and congressmen,or reveal their names in court transcripts and depositions we examined; nor did Judge Urbom explain why investigations have never commenced regarding which members of congress had sex with children.

The evidence DeCamp presented was so credible and substantial that Urbom awarded Paul Bonacci $1 million for child abuse on February 19, 1999 regarding his lawsuit involving Larry King. This, despitea Nebraska jury having already indictedBonacci for perjury in 1990, ultimately sending an intentionally damaged,spiritually and physicallyabused young man to prison for five years--and despite his treatment by King, described in court testimony:

"They put guns up to my head. Had guns put in my mouth...Larry King sent out boys, men, to jump me...he had them pretty well beat the tar out of me from the waist down so nobody would see the marks...I had my fingers broken...I can remember them burning me with hot instruments...placing stuff inside me...almost what I call a cattle prod...But it would be put inside then they'd shock me inside my -- ...Judge Urbom: Anus?...Yes... And they would -- ...Judge: You mean electrically heated?...They would put it in and then push a button and it would shock me...Judge Urbom:..done by Larry King at his direction?...At his direction..."

"I threatened to go to the police in California, thought maybe they would listen whereas in Omaha they were in his pocketbook...he had me hung out of an airplane with a rope by my ankles...If they wanted to get something passed through the legislature, he would put some people that were against it in a compromising position. By using us boys and girls...Judge Urbom: Was this by your being the sexual partner of that person?...Yes...Judge Urbom: ...Any estimates of how often you participated as the sexual partner of one of these persons that he wanted to get some kind of control over?...There were times when it would be four or five in a night...on probably a couple thousand times...sometimes dozens of times with the same person..." [U.S. District Court testimony, 2-5-1999, pp. 146-151]

Curiously, Paul Bonacci told investigators that the sex ring was based out of Offutt U.S. Air Force Base near Omaha, having been taken there to be abused since he was three years old in 1970. At Offutt, Paul said he was "trained" by tortures, heavy drugging and sexual degradation. [Offutt AFB played a major role immediately following the 9/11 attacks as George W. Bush made the base his post-attack headquarters for a short period.]...


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Title: Once In The Bowels Of The Vatican And Illuminati, Svali speaks of Illuminati double life
Author: repost
Date: 2006.01.19 04:08
Description: A RARE INTERVIEW, and it went out over the radio. "Svali" (pen name) was a programmer in San Diego for the Illuminati. She was from a rich family completely in the Illuminati, raised in it from birth. She got out 10 years ago, at age 38, and they left her penniless and had the State take her childen back--for the Illumianti. However, now, she is now 48 years old, a nurse with her own life, regained custody of her children who are 'out' as well, and helps ritual abuse victims. Svali represents in many ways a success story in escaping occult sexual ritual abuse cults--in her mental solidity and her personality security. She has written a book that doctors attempting to treat ex-Illuminati or ritual abuse people have declared "invaluable" for its insights on how to help someone--since she was a regional programmer herself. Below is an interesting feel for her double life--and the double life her children are born into so they know nothing else--in the timeline she wrote up and gave the interviewer. NOTE THEY MEET ON A SECURE MILITARY BASE AFTER MIDNIGHT, just waved in like all the others in the darkness of early morning. They put on uniforms that represent different hierarchies, speak German and English as lingua franca, chit chat, drink coffee, and then get to work on programming people or "tuning up" leaders already in power. Some are rewarded in comfort sessions afterwards like her example of a military leader being given a "tune up" and then a comfort session with a young child to play with because he's a pedophile. They build people's alters/split personalities from birth to suit the Order's cult atmosphere and desires for airtight secrecy (all are multiples), and keep heavy documentation on just what they do to each other to make them all the more controllable.

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another:

ILLUMINATI: Interview of Ex-Programmer/Trainer; History, Techniques, & Public Interfaces

author: interview

I. THE ILLUMINATI:
Exclusive Interview with an Ex-Illuminati Programmer/Trainer

II. THE ILLUMINATI:
Cult History, Programming Techniques, and the Public Interfaces

By Svali

Svali used to be a programmer and trainer in the cult of the Illuminati. Both she and her entire family were involved in the cult group until several years ago, when they finally broke free. She has been a consultant to an on-line survivors group that helps people dealing with issues related to cult programming and ritual abuse. Svali, a writer and a registered nurse, has self-published a book on breaking free of cult programming, which several experts in the field have said has "invaluable information" for the survivor of ritual abuse [which many still deny exists]. Her articles are published online at http://www.suite101.com. She is now married to her second husband and has two children.

The New World Order of an old world dream: being an exposé on a transgenerational, international, secret ritual-abuse & occult society with traceable bloodlines of thousand of years--a small nexus of families that have been powerful for millennia, publicly and privately, riding the waves of history.

Svali: "Weishaupt did not create the Illuminati, they chose him as a figurehead and told him what to write about. The financiers, dating back to the bankers during the times of the Templar Knights who financed the early kings in Europe, created the Illuminati. Weishaupt was their "go fer", who did their bidding."

THE ILLUMINATI:
Exclusive Interview with an Ex-Illuminati Programmer/Trainer


And


THE ILLUMINATI:
Cult History, Programming Techniques, and the Public Interfaces

By Svali

The New World Order of an old world dream:
being an exposé on a transgenerational, international, secret ritual-abuse & occult society with traceable bloodlines of thousand of years—a small nexus of families that have been powerful for millennia, publicly and privately, riding the waves of history.


Hi, my name is Svali. Both I and my entire family were involved in a cult group until several years ago, when we broke free. I used to be a programmer in the cult, and now I want to share the knowledge that I have to help others. It is possible to break free of cult abuse if a person is involved. It is a long, heart-breaking process, but well worth it. In the articles that I will be providing, I hope to help the survivor of cult abuse find tools to help in their journey towards freedom.

I have been a consultant to an on-line survivors group that helps people dealing with issues related to cult programming and becoming free, for the past year and a half. I myself have been in therapy for ritual abuse and DID for nine years, with the last five being aware of the recent cult abuse.

I am also a writer, and a registered nurse. I currently work as a diabetic educator in Texas 20 hours a week.

I have also self-published a book on breaking free of cult programming, which several experts in the field have said has "invaluable information" for the survivor of ritual abuse.

Both my ex-husband and my two children broke free of cult abuse last year. My children are living with me while my husband is working on healing. They all have DID (dissociative identity disorder, formerly known as multiple personality disorder) as well, which makes life at home interesting! I am currently married to my second husband, who is also a recovered DID and who got out of the cult five years ago.













Foreword, by Dr. Henry Makow, Ph.D.

Henry Makow, is the inventor of the board game Scruples, and the author of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his Ph.D. in English Literature from the University of Toronto. He welcomes your feedback and ideas at henrym@mts.net.


Book Recommendation and Topical Summary



Illuminati Defector Details Pervasive Conspiracy


If you detect the devil's hand in current events, you may be closer to the truth than you think.

A woman who was raised in the Illuminati cult describes a powerful secret organization comprising one per cent of the U.S. population that has infiltrated all social institutions and is covertly preparing a military takeover.

Her revelations cast the "war on terror" and "homeland security" in their true light.

"Svali" is the pseudonym of the woman, age 45, who was a mind "programmer" for the cult until 1996. She was the sixth head trainer in the San Diego branch and had 30 trainers reporting to her. She has risked her life to warn humanity of the Illuminati's covert power and agenda.

She describes a sadistic Satanic cult led by the richest and most powerful people in the world. It is largely homosexual and pedophile, practices animal sacrifice and ritual murder. It works "hand in glove" with the CIA and Freemasonry. It is Aryan supremacist (German is spoken at the top) but welcomes Jewish apostates. It controls the world traffic in drugs, guns, pornography and prostitution. It may be the hand behind political assassination, and "terrorism," including Sept. 11, the Maryland sniper and the Bali bomb blast.

It has infiltrated government on a local, state and national level; education and financial institutions; religion and the media. Based in Europe, it plans a "world order" that will make its earlier attempts, Nazism and Communism, look like picnics. One other detail: these people are not happy.

Svali's courageous testimony explains why our children are no longer taught civic values, why they are being habituated to homosexuality and violence, and why our "culture" is descending into nihilism and sexual depravity. It raises the possibility that George W. Bush and his Administration are Illuminists and much of the world "elite" is engaged in a mind-boggling criminal conspiracy.

In March 2000, Svali began writing a monthly column for survivors of Illuminati ritual abuse at Suite101.com. In December 2000, H.J. Springer, the editor of CentrExNews,com contacted Svali and conducted an extended 18-part interview with her by email, which is reproduced on line and is copyrighted.

"I am convinced she is the real McCoy," Springer wrote to me. "I have personally relayed numerous email messages to her from other members-- ritually abused, brainwashed, raped, sexually abused people & you name it-- some of them confirming to me her story. So I have absolutely no doubt that Svali has been part of the Illuminati since childhood."

I also trust Svali's testimony because it confirms my intuition and intensive research. Everything fits: from the dead hand that seems to suppress humanity to why Clinton gave secret technology to the Chinese, to persistent reports of concentration camps in the US. It explains why people I know behave in a conspiratorial way. I thank Svali for giving me a frightening but incredible key to understanding the world.

A friend urged me to beware of a hoax and offered to help confirm Svali's personal story. I accepted. I invite you to read her entire testimony and make up your own mind.

Read "Part One" to "Part 18" first, starting at the middle of the list and working up.

With their permission, here are some highlights of Svali's correspondence with CentrExnews.com's H.J. Springer. I have also included material from her article "Are the Illuminati Taking Over the World?"

Pervasive Presence

Svali: "The Illuminati are present in every major metropolitan centre in the United States. The Illuminati believe in controlling an area through its: banks and financial institutions (guess how many sit on banking boards? You'd be surprised) Local government: guess how many get elected to local city councils? Law: children are encouraged to go to law school and medical school. Media: others are encouraged to go to journalism school, and members help fund local papers.

Beliefs

Svali: "The Illuminati is a group that practices a form of faith known as "enlightenment". It is Luciferian, and they teach their followers that their roots go back to the ancient mystery religions of Babylon, Egypt, and Celtic druidism. They have taken what they consider the "best" of each, the foundational practices, and joined them together into a strongly occult discipline. Many groups at the local level worship ancient deities such as "El", "Baal", and "Ashtarte", as well as "Isis and Osiris" and "Set".... I do know that these people teach and practice evil."

Weishaupt

Svali: "Weishaupt did not create the Illuminati, they chose him as a figurehead and told him what to write about. The financiers, dating back to the bankers during the times of the Templar Knights who financed the early kings in Europe, created the Illuminati. Weishaupt was their "go fer", who did their bidding."

Military Takeover

Svali: "Briefly, each region of the United States has "nerve centres" or power bases for regional activity. The United States has been divided up into seven major geographical regions. Each region has localities within it that contain military compounds and bases that are hidden in remote, isolated areas or on large private estates.

These bases are used intermittently to teach and train generational Illuminati in military techniques, hand- to- hand combat, crowd control, use of arms, and all aspects of military warfare. Why? Because the Illuminists believe that our government, as we know it, as well as the governments of most nations around the world, are destined to collapse. These will be planned collapses, and they will occur in the following ways:

The Illuminati has planned first for a financial collapse that will make the great depression look like a picnic. This will occur through the maneuvering of the great banks and financial institutions of the world, through stock manipulation, and interest rate changes. Most people will be indebted to the federal government through bank and credit card debt, etc. The governments will recall all debts immediately, but most people will be unable to pay and will be bankrupted. This will cause generalized financial panic, which will occur simultaneously worldwide, as the Illuminists firmly believe in controlling people through finances.

Doesn't sound pleasant, does it? I don't know the exact time frame for all of this, and wouldn't want to even guess. The good news is that if a person is debt-free, owes nothing to the government or credit debt, and can live self sufficiently, they may do better than others. I would invest in gold, not stocks, if I had the income. Gold will once again be the world standard, and dollars will be pretty useless (remember after the Civil War? Our money will be worth about what confederate money was after the collapse).

Next there will be a military takeover, region by region, as the government declares a state of emergency and martial law. People will have panicked, there will be an anarchical state in most localities, and the government will justify its move as being necessary to control panicked citizens. The cult trained military leaders and people under their direction will use arms as well as crowd control techniques to implement this new state of affairs. ...Military bases will be set up, in each locality (actually, they are already here, but are covert). In the next few years, they will go above ground and be revealed. Each locality will have regional bases and leaders to which they are accountable. The hierarchy will closely reflect the current covert hierarchy.

About five years ago, when I left the Illuminati, approximately 1% of the US population was either part of the Illuminati, sympathetic to it, or a victim of Mind Control (and therefore considered useable). While this may not sound like many, imagine 1% of the population highly trained in the use of armaments, crowd control, psychological and behavioral techniques, armed with weapons and linked to paramilitary groups."

Leadership

Svali: "The national council [consists of] influential bankers with OLD money such as: The Rockefellers, the Mellon family, the Carnegie family, the Rothschild family etc. I know I shouldn't name names, but I will.

The "Supreme World Council" is already set up as a prototype of the one that will rule when the NWO comes into being. It meets on a regular basis to discuss finances, direction, policy, etc. and to problem-solve difficulties that come up. Once again, these leaders are heads in the financial world, OLD banking money. The Rothschild family in England, and in France, have ruling seats. A descendant of the Hapsburg dynasty has a generational seat. A descendant of the ruling families of England and France have a generational seat. The Rockefeller family in the US holds a seat.

This is one reason that the Illuminati have been pretty "untouchable" over the years. The ruling members are very, very, very wealthy and powerful. I hope this information is helpful. How do I know this? I was on a local leadership council (a head trainer), but I talked to those on regional. Also, every Illuminati child is taught who their "leaders" are, and told to take an oath of allegiance to them and the "New Order to come"."

Royalty

Svali: "The Illuminati leadership state that they are descended from royal bloodlines, as well as unbroken occult heritage.

See, there were two definitions of "royalty" used. Open royalty that is currently seen now, and "hidden royalty" of royal lineage and extreme occult power. Sometimes the two were concurrent, such as with the Prince of Wales.

I never thought of which country/line held the most power, since I was just a peon busily doing my job. But my understanding was: The Hanoverian / Hapsburg descendants rule in Germany over the Bruderheist. They are considered one of the strongest lines for occult as well. The British line is just under them, with the royal family. Definitely, they rule the UK branch under the Rothschilds in the occult realm, even though parliament rules the country openly.

In France, again, descendants of the royal families are also in power in the occult realm, but the French Rothschilds hold the reigns over all of them."

Rank of the US

Svali: "The U.S. is considered lower, and younger, than the European branches... .Germany, France, and the UK form a triumvirate that rules in the European cult. The USSR is considered important, and has the strongest military groups. The USSR has been promised fourth position in the New World Order, BEFORE the role the U.S. would have, because the USSR has been more helpful and cooperative over the years with furthering the agenda.

The descendants of the former ruling families there are also involved in the occult leadership, along with the newer ones. There is no Marxism in the cult. China will be ranked after the USSR, then the U.S. But a lot of the current U.S. leadership will be in Europe when the change occurs, and many have homes there. They will be "changing nationalities" overnight, as it were. This is the little that I do remember. Wish I had been a better student of this stuff, but I was too busy trying to stay alive when I was in it.

Russia will be the military base and powerhouse of the group, since their military commanders (Illuminist) are considered the best in the world, and very, very disciplined. China, because of its roots in oriental occultism, and its large population, will also be considered a higher power than the US. But again, the real power will reside in Europe, according to what I was taught when part of the group.

The United Nations

Svali: "The UN was created early in this century in order to help overcome one of the biggest barriers to a one-world government ...That barrier is the one of nationalism, or pride in one's country. This is why it was NOT a popular concept when first introduced, it took years of country bashing in the media and the destruction of any sense of national pride by a (not so subtle) media campaign over the years.

The UN is a preparation, but it is not the real power in the world, and will be relatively unimportant when the NWO comes into being. The real councils will then step forward. But as a means of getting the general public to accept the idea of a "global community" and the "one world community" the UN is a stepping stone in their working towards the NWO."

Israel

Svali: "The conflict in the Middle East is only to the advantage of the Illuminists. They HATE Israel, and hope one day to see it destroyed, and are biding their time. One of the olive branches offered by the UN when it takes over is that they will prevent war in the Middle East, and this will be greeted with joy by many.

At the same time, the Illuminati covertly supply guns and funds to BOTH sides to keep the conflict fuelled. They are very duplicitous people. They used to funnel guns through the USSR to Palestine, for example, in the name of promoting "friendliness" between the USSR and this state and other Arab nations. Then, the US Illuminists would help funnel guns to Israel, for the same reason.

These people love the game of chess, and see warfare between nations as creating an order out of chaos. The USSR is going to get stronger again. It has too strong a military both openly, and covertly (ALL Illuminati military trainers have visited Russia to learn from them) to sit quietly and quiescently to the side. In the NWO, they will be stronger than us."

Is the Illuminati a JEWISH conspiracy?

Svali: "Absolutely not. In fact, Hitler and his people (especially Himmler and Goebbels) were top Illuminists. The Illuminati are racist in the extreme, and as a child, I was forced to play "concentration camp" both on my farm in Virginia, and also in Europe in isolated camps in Germany.

The Jews historically fought against the occult (see Deuteronomy and the Old Testament for how God through the Jewish people tried to cleanse the land of the occult groups that were operating there, such as those who worshipped Baal, Ashtarte, and other Canaanite and Babylonian gods.

(from an email to Henry Makow) Yes, there are some very powerful Jewish people in this group. For instance, the Rothschild family literally runs the financial empire in Europe (and indirectly the States), and are a well-known Jewish family. I have also known people whose parents were Jewish diamond merchants in the group, and at every level. But to rise to power in the Illuminati, a Jewish person at night would be forced to renounce their faith, and to give their first allegiance to Lucifer and the beliefs of the Illuminati. In return for this betrayal, they believe that power (financial) and rewards come; and in one sense they do, but at too high a price (losing their eternal soul).

The nazi/concentration camp mentality is very strong, though, and I was told that Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels, and others were high-ranking German members of the group (Himmler was higher than the other two), and Mengele their paid puppet as well, who later worked as a high trainer of the American branch between his periods of hiding in South America. They honestly believed that they were acting as agents of their 'gods' to exterminate the Jewish race, and I am so, so sorry that this group has enacted so many horrors on the earth (and so, so glad that I left it).

I hope this helps you. I have always wondered this, though, why some of the highest ranking financial families in the group (baron Rothschild of France is one of the 13 European lords, or "kings" that run the group in Europe, and sits on the World Council) are Jewish, yet the group espouses hatred of their own race."

ARE THEY RACIST?

Svali: "Lots of Illuminists have Fourth Reich programming inside. The Illuminati are racist, and have a very "Aryan" outlook. They believe strongly in the rule of the "pure" and "intelligent" by their definitions, and in their ceremonies, there will occasionally be minorities killed in ceremonies.

They are trying to breed a "genetically superior" race to rule, with their children and descendants. They are also followers of Plato's Republic, and believe that they will be the ones to usher in this "Utopian" rule with the NWO in their opinion. In their Utopia, the intelligentsia will rule, and the sheep like masses will follow their leaders (that is their view of the world; that the occult leaders are "enlightened' and intelligent, while the average person is a "sheep" to be led by the nose)."

FREEMASONRY

Svali: "The Freemasons and the Illuminati are hand in glove. I don't care if this steps on any toes, it's a fact. The Masonic temple at Alexandria, Virginia (the city itself was named after Alexandria, Egypt, and is a hotbed of Illuminati activity) is a centre in the Washington, DC area for Illuminati scholarship and teaching. I was taken there at intervals for testing, to step up a level, for scholarship, and high ceremonies. The leaders in this Masonic group were also Illuminists.

This has been true of every large city I have lived in. The top Freemasons were also top Illuminists. My maternal grandparents were both high ranking Masons in the city of Pittsburgh, Pa. (president of the Eastern Star and 33rd degree Mason) and they both were also leaders in the Illuminati in that area.

Are all Masons Illuminati? No, especially at the lower levels, I believe they know nothing of the practices that occur in the middle of the night in the larger temples. Many are probably fine businessmen and Christians. But I have never known a 32 degree or above who wasn't Illuminati, and the group helped create Freemasonry as a "front" for their activities."

CIA FBI are all infiltrated. So are Mormons etc.

Svali: "Many of the administrators and directors at the FBI are also Illuminists. The CIA helped bring over German scientists after WWII. Many of these were also Illuminati leaders in their own country, and they were welcomed with open arms by the U.S. group. They also funneled all information they were learning to the Illuminati.

The Mormons affiliated years ago in a meeting with Illuminati leadership in the 1950s. The same with the Jehovah's Witnesses."

...link

1/18/2008 07:10:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

JAD, I know I'm often a little abstruse, but I'm really left wondering if you read my post. And you should read up on ol' McMartin - bad shit went down, bub. Kiddies don't usually give themselves social diseases.

PS - not 'my psychiatrist' - I don't need one, and neither does anybody else. The theory in question (that the act of sex aids social and physical maturation) is actually sound enough - the research was done in Holland, where you can hire hookers for the short-bus crowd without undue Puritanical B.S. ensuing.

The theoretical extension applied to a local situation - the psychiatrist in question had spotted a victim of long-term childhood seduction-rape by observing his long-term social differences from the rest of our cohort.

Of course I don't believe in the Devil, but if you think that there are not legions of idiots who either do think they are part of a secret religion or pretend to do so for social benefit, you are perhaps a little wet behind the ears.

It's like a Mason's club, with different costumes.

Sexual predation of children is common enough, and when you scratch one case, you often find quite a few others. Like all rape, such acts are concerned with power.

You would be surprised at the level of organization people will apply to power mechanisms that work.

The predator concerned in the case I am discussing ran a local newspaper delivery group.

The specific victim referred to in this sordid and scary affair had already reached the point of becoming a recruiter for other children before the business was stopped. Family did not listen, friends (myself included) did not know, and authority did not act until an outside observer brought the matter forward.

More than twenty other children were found to have been involved. Only one charge was laid. No imprisonment or loss of wealth resulted (assets were transferred to the offender's wife, which legal loophole is now fortunately plugged).

Many lives were destroyed or damaged, and not a word of the whole business reached the newspapers, despite the conviction of the offender. Many years later, a small financial settlement was reached with the estate, still in the offender's wife's hands. She fought it, although she was well aware of the events which had taken place.

I may own a lot of hats, but I try not to talk through them. Or perhaps I am suffering from False Memory Syndrome?

The garden party reference was to a poem dating from just after the turn of the last century, which I am having (heh) the Devil of a time looking up. It concerned an invitation to a garden party which turned a little odd, and was a clear allegory of culty doings in elite-land. Anyone who can tell me the author or title, please do so - it has slipped from my aging grasp.

And if you don't think these idiots are out there, at all levels of society - well, don't leave your back gate open anyway. Fucky the Clown might stop by for a visit and leave you with a Marie Celeste of a playset.

Lord Reptor

1/18/2008 07:32:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Mark, please, an abstract and a link is enough. I hate the gzzzt gzzzt gzzzt of the scrollwheel.

1/18/2008 07:36:00 PM  
Blogger Belliosto said...

just another dick the idea that Bush Jr. represents our country and on his election in the year 2000. Alex Jones on his shortwave radio show for months broadcasts in 2000 that Bush and Gore are Tweedledee and Tweedledum. That there is no difference between the two candidates then as November got closer changed his act and announces that Bush is the better choice. With Bush we at least have another two years but with Gore elected president we are finished.

In 2000 Republican Candice Miller the Secretary of State in Michigan refuses to put the Reformed Party presidential candidate Patrick Buchanan on the state ballot. Michigan was the only state in the Union who did not have him on due to a technicality. The Reformed Party members go to court at least seven times to fight this and lose every time.

Ross Perot in 2000 the founder of the Reformed Party votes for Bush Jr.

In 2002 Daniel New the Chairman of the Texas Constitution Party and father of Michael his son who stood against U.N. commanders as U.S. Marine refuses to fly vote verification banner after the popularity of vote verification enters into Texas Constitution Party. Led by Nick Landholt working with Jim Conduit Jr. of Ohio, Patriots Assuring Clean Elections offers a solution to election fraud to Constitution Party members in Texas. The majority embrace the idea and Daniel New following the national leadership of his party officially shoots the idea down in flames. There will be no vote verification solutions offered by the Texas Constitution Party.

And today in the Detroit Free Press, Friday, Jan 18, 2008. An A.P. story.

Kucinich fights oath

Democrat Dennis Kucinich asked the Supreme Court on Thursday to block the Texas Democratic Party from using a party loyalty oath to keep him off the state's March 4 primary ballot. The U.S. 5th Circuit Court of Appeals turned down his request earlier in the day.
The state party's oath says a candidate must "fully support" the party's eventual nominee. Kucinich crossed out the oath when he filed for a spot on the primary ballot.
A federal judge in Austin ruled against Kucinich last week, saying the party has the right to require the oath. Kucinich says it violates his right to free speech.

Also Party politics dictates what is to be...

1/18/2008 07:55:00 PM  
Blogger chlamor said...

Minor correction:

"In the midst of"

referring to the Empires nervous breakdown.

Problem is that the breakdown is crushing many many of the inhabitants of the Empire's influence.

Hope y'all are up for doing something about it.

1/18/2008 10:03:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Rep, if I appeared dismissive I apologize. I wanted to pull down Michelle Remembers & give a quick skim to refresh my memory.

Let's see, she says that she attended something called the "Feast of the Beast," a massive Satanic ceremony held once every 27 years. At this feast Satan himself appeared & preached a long sermon in verse:

"Out of dark and fire red
Comes a man of living dead
I only walk the earth at night I only burn out the light
I go where everybody's afraid.
I go and find the ones who've strayed.

Gee, Satan kind of sounds like an anti-Barney, doesn't he?

In a few sessions with Pazder she says that she had an imaginary friend. In chapter 21 she then says that the Satanists tortured her imaginary friend to death.

So Rep, how does one torture an imaginary friend to death?
Sounds fairly complicated even for Satanists. Unless the Satanists were imaginary too.

And what's up with Pazder marrying her. Sounds like it violates just about every tenet of medical ethics.

I should also point out that they were initially going to make a film of the book until Smith's father & 2 sisters threatened law suits. They insisted that none of it ever happened.

I'd go on but since you called it the Swiss army knife of Satanist propaganda I'll assume that you've already realized that these were the hallucinations of a very disturbed woman.

On to McMartin:

Let's see, the 1st accusations were made by Judy Johnson who was eventually diagnosed as a schizophrenic.
She got her kid into McMartin, which, at the time, had a long waiting list, by depositing him at the front gate and then walking away. She reportedly did this 14 times over a two month period.

One day, she said her son complained of "an itchy anus."

(I have to giggle here because I can remember Halloween 2 years ago when I was taking my then 2 year old son trick or treating. We came up to the last house and my son completely sealed in a home-made Winnie-the-Pooh costume said to the lady instead of the customary "trick or treat," "My bum is itchy." I suppose I should have been looking for satanic boogey-men, eh?)

Her ex-husband, when told of this, insisted his wife's poor hygiene was at fault.

After a while, she noticed her sons anus was bleeding.

(By the way, this would be real consistent with her kid scratching his "itchy anus," don't ya think?)

But instead, the police officer she contacted sent her to a hospital.

The doctor pronounced the symptoms consistent with sodomy although sodomizing a two year old would result in more than an itchy bleeding anus. The result would be serious injury or death.

The doctor who made this wonderful diagnosis later admitted that 'she didn't know anything about sexual abuse."

The kid began to name teachers, although this is a bit of a stretch since the kid would talk to no one but the schizo mom. This later became a problem for prosecutors.

The police searched the homes of accused adults and found such incriminating items as copies of Playboy, pictures of dressed children, string, one woman's graduation gown(a Satanic robe I suppose), and a rubber duck.

With not much of a case the police sent a letter to all parents of current & former students which, of course, caused mass panic.

When the now frantic parents questioned their kids they initially said nothing but, under repeated questioning made vague allegations about "a naked movie star" game.

The prosecuting attorney then called in an "expert," Kee McFarlane, to look at the case.

McFarlane was a student of Dr. Ronald Summit who originated the doctrine that "children never lie about abuse," Better known as his "child abuse accommodation syndrome."
The theory is that child abuse is so traumatic for kids that they lie about it.

Now, one doesn't have to be an expert in logic to see the problem with this, although obviously logic wasn't Summit's strong point.
According to Summit, if children say they are abused they are telling the truth, but if they deny abuse it is accommodation and they have been abused.

When MacFarlane eventually got around to interviewing the children she failed to separate the interviews into "investigative" and "therapeutic" which made her interviews essentially worthless.

She asked leading questions such as "Don't be afraid, (name) has already told us what happened at school." " Somebody touched you? Well I know it was Mr. Ray. It was Mr. Ray, wasn't it? She threatened the children and told them they were bad if they didn't confess.

This is when the stories got really bizarre. Not hard to see why but I appear to in the minority on that one.

She then used anatomically correct dolls & through her "experts" crystal ball was eventually able to deduce that everyone including wheelchair bound Virginia McMartin was abusing them.

Actually the Satanic element never entered into it until one of the parents, Robert Currie, carried on his own "investigation."

Currie found a 10 year-old boy who said he was taken to St. Episcopalian Church, where a priest flogged him with a ten-foot bullwhip and he was abused by "anatomically radiated mutants."

In another wonderful leap of logic that would have greatly impressed Catholic Inquisitors, Currie deduced that Satanists were hiring out churches in order to desecrate them.

So the American Martyrs Catholic Church invited an "expert" on satanism to speak to the parents and they also (snicker) consulted Michelle Smith & Lawrence Pazder.

After the case became public, the media fell over itself recounting horror story after horror story.

The pre-trial hearing went on for 17 months and cost $3 million dollars. Normally such hearings last a few days.

Some of the children testified that Ray Buckey molested them even when it was proven that he was 100 miles away attending school.
One child was shown a photo line-up and he picked out Chuck Norris, the newly elected city attorney James Hahn and four nuns in a photo taken 40 years previously.

On cross-exam several children recanted.

More "experts" were called in who said that it was common for sexually abused children to recant.

I should mention that it was only the testimony of all these supposed "experts" that kept this trial from being tossed in the junk heap, since authorities could find no corroborating evidence whatsoever.

One of the prosecutors, Glen Stevens, became so convinced of the defendant's innocence that he resigned saying, "I didn't want to send seven innocent people to prison."

Have I missed anything?

Now I'd be glad to look at your evidence for claims of sexually transmitted diseases. But, I should warn you, if it's a "believer's" website I'll probably be a bit slow in responding.

& you are right, I made a mistake in my previous post.

It was a psychiatrist friend not your psychiatrist.

Sorry.

I should tell you that I've worked with MR & Down's Syndrome folk for 16 years now and I've never heard any one even entertain the idea that they should be taken to hookers.

Although after seeing guys masturbate to photos of refrigerators or take their erect penis and repeatedly slam it in door or masturbate until blood literally runs off their penis, I'd say it might be a step up.

Christian America, in its treatment of MR folk, prefer to bandy about such meaningless phrases as "mainstreaming" & "normalization" & then isolate them in institutions.
Oh, they may not look like the institutions of Titti-Cut Follies days, but institutions they most assuredly are. I know because I work in one more than I probably should.

1/18/2008 10:56:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

I should also point out Rep, that once, a few years back, I was walking with my wife in a mall, when I bumped into a little girl as I was going into the men's room. As the doors closed I could hear the girl yelling to her mom, "Mommy,mommy, that man touched me." Needless to say I was sweating bullets while whizzing.
Luckily the mom waited for me. She said, "I am so sorry. She says that all the time."


& mark this was cute. "You should do so then instead of emptily talking about it. "

I would Marky mark, but I know how loose you are with sources from past experience, and I also know how you just tend to ignore me, some would say run and hide, when I rub your little bio-regional nose in it.

1/18/2008 11:06:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Y'see Mark, I was prepared to have a civil discussion with Mr. Reptor, but you had to piss me off.

I know what you're about Mark. You like to lead folk through a cut & paste link maze so they have no choice but to come to the same conclusions as Mark. Because Mark is Mark, and everyone knows Mark's right.

I also know, from experience here, that the little anti-Satan groupies here in RI-Land love to tell their side over & over ad nauseum. I also know that y'all leave a huge chunk of the story untold.

Makes for better X-files goosey-pimples, eh?

Now Mark, or should I say Cut & Paste mark, everything here & on my ba-log I sat & typed out from primary source material or the closet thing I had to primary source material. I cut & pasted nothing.

Now for me to actually spend more time trying to convert someone like you to my cause would be a waste of my lifetime.
Because I'd have to type it out from books, rather than link to some dipshit web docu-drama.

Y'see, there's no Google video with this information on it.

I wasted the time I did waste so anyone here who is on the fence about this can see that y'all do selective research.

I also know that "believers" tend to get a bit uppity when their precious creed is questioned.

All I can say to that is, "Tough titty, mark.

Instead I'll recommend Orson Welles flick F for Fake so you can see exactly how a documentary can be manipulated.

sort of like an internet web post, eh Mark?

1/18/2008 11:37:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Hey, JAD - here's a coupla links, one for each side of the McMartin biz.

http://www.whale.to/b/stickel.html

This is the archaeologist's side of the tunnel dig.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4032/is_200210/ai_n9136028/pg_4


Then the second is in favour of the 'squirrels did it' behavioural research side o' things.

Anyway, it's easy enough to get - what was it? - 460 kids to lie.

Also, if a little girl is constantly claiming that men are touching her...maybe one of them has. Children aren't always so good at expressing things. Then again, maybe Barney's been telling her horror stories.

I always suspected Barney. First there was Grimace, a huge misshapen purple thing that knows what's best for kids to eat. Then, in the next generation, there's Barney, who thinks that children shouldn't talk to humans outside their immediate circles.

What's next - a huge misshapen purple thing that just takes them, while we stand back, conditioned over generations to trust?

Then again, maybe you just gave the kid a set of real bad vibes. You know how Ghoulie's always projecting his energies.

Good thing there's nice folks like the ones at FMSF to protect us from ourselves, not purple at all (except perhaps in the helmet). I'll link you to Jeff's own website for this one.

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?p=81630

So anyhoo, don't hang out in malls. You might get yourself falsely accused.

Or not.

P.S. Watching disabled people you are responsible for masturbate is unethical and quite possibly illegal. They are people, not animals. I must say, slamming the ham is one thing, slamming it in a door is another. Perhaps you should have gone for some help at that point.

'Mainstreaming' and 'normalization' are quite different from helping people find their feet and become independent. If a sex professional can help with that, well, then they should. It's not an idea to be entertained. It's therapeutic practice.

Enjoy the links! And stay sharp - a ship full of Barneys might beam you full of scary memories and take you away in the night.

Tired, less than coherent, and really not into this unpleasant discussion,
Lord Reptor.

1/18/2008 11:53:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

One more little postscript and then I am going to go and have a cigarette.

The mother of the kid concerned in my previous posts knew Pazder fairly well. He was full of shit, too. Whatever it was that Michelle remembered, the book served its purpose well, on both sides of the equation. "Debunkers" and "Believers" both loved to cite it for their points - that's why I think of it as the Swiss Army Knife of 'Satanist' propaganda.
'Satanist' rather than Satanist because, like all such things, 'Satanism' is just a cheap costume for people to dress up in when they are playing secret society power games.
Sorta like a clown suit. Or a big cuddly bear suit.
I have to say, these 'furry sex' fetishists...they creep me out.
Inside the costumes are people, hurting other people.
Final P.S. - the end of this crap that I ended up in had f-all to do with Michelle or 'Satanists'. But Pazder was involved. He enabled the family's denial for almost a year after the child in question finally came forward and asked for help.
Fascinating how he got married to the victim, and then let the air out of her story.
It's been nasty thinking about all this crap, but it has been interesting remembering. Glad the old bastard responsible is dead. Glad Pazder is dead. Wonder how many more stories like this one link up to that man.
Triple PS - the child involved did take matters into his own hands, with a little help, some years later. It's not that hard to penetrate even a rich man's home. But it is proved impossible to decide to pop somebody who has given you what seems like love for so long. Old fucker got to die of natural causes after all.
Have a nice night, sweet dreams.
Lord Reptor.

1/19/2008 12:15:00 AM  
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1/19/2008 12:49:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"watching" was probably the wrong word. It's more like coming(sorry) upon unexpectedly. We're required to do 1/2 hour bed checks because clients have died in the middle of the night & because staff were too busy snoozing to even make cursory checks, morning brought discovery of rigor stiffened corpses.

For some reason, management frowns on that.

Anyway you'd be surprised at what you can walk in on with MR folk, even when you knock.

This may shock you, but they have absolutely no problem with whipping it out in front of everybody.
Once I took a client to the Pgh. Arts Festival. When my attention was distracted by another client, he leaped up on the fountain, dropped his pants and started wanking it right in front of toddlers & grannies alike.

You have to laugh about it dude.

Being "humans" they seem to have the annoying tendency to not give a plu-perfect fuck about whether I think their actions are "socially acceptable" or not.

Go figure.



My problem is, as I said to ____, this place tends to ignore the sociological, psychological, & historical antecedents to these stories, acting as if they sprung up fully formed.

When that just ain't the case. They've been with us forever.

My favorite accusation occurred in the 50s when someone spreading similar stories said that she was taken to a ritually festooned room where they had upside down candles burning. Ever try to get an upside down candle to burn?.

Thanks for the links and the civility. I'll check them out when able. I had the week off to play but 6:30 a.m. brings the next round of double shifts.

Adios.

I also didn't know Pazder debunked her.

Oh well, live and learn.

1/19/2008 12:53:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Rep,

I have to ask why Stickel's conclusions trump everybody elses, cause I can't find anyone who takes his conclusions seriously except true believers?

From a forensics journal put out by folk who say they specialize in child abuse:

"Unlike the SRS final report, Stickel's report lacks any indication that each step of the excavation process was sequentially photographed. The nearly total absence of this critical documentation makes it difficult or impossible to examine purportedly important and supposedly in situ (found as is) artifactual evidence to validate its authenticity. The few photographs of alleged artifacts that now exist are of such poor quality that their value as evidence vanishes."

"Stickel told hundreds of child abuse professionals at the San Diego CRCM conference that he believed that the tar paper served as a roof for what may have been the secret room.173 But the tar paper roofing material probably came from the former green house, described in the SRS report, that once sat on the roof of the neighboring house (on the adjacent lot). The house had stood for 24 years prior to the time the McMartin Preschool was built in 1966. The fact that the SRS report indirectly associated the discovered tar paper with the tar-paper roof of the neighbor's green house but that this association went unmentioned by Stickel, who should have been aware of its contents, suggests either a poor memory or deliberate misrepresentation.

The secret room, according to Stickel, was up to 9 feet wide and, unlike the height of the hypothetical tunnel, its 6'8" height offered enough space for an adult to stand upright.174 But Dr. Michael and Hobbs, both of whom could, and did, crawl in the cavity — it was Hobbs who actually found it — give much lower height measurements. Michael reported, in the appendix to Stickel's report, that the maximum depth of the room was 44 inches, or 3'8". Hobbs claimed that at the most it was 4'6". In reality it proved to be a trash pit."


"Stickel, however, sticks to the least likely interpretation that the cavity is a remnant of a man made tunnel. He concludes that the northern trench extending south and then east across classroom #4 and into classroom #3 meets the nine test criteria for determining the existence of a tunnel. His reasons for arriving at this conclusion follow:

1) The alleged entrance, under the foundation footing about 128" south of the northwest corner of the northwest classroom (Ray's room) was large enough, according to Stickel, for adult human passage.

Large enough for which adults to pass through? Certainly not for at least some of the McMartin defendants. Peggy McMartin Buckey, the school's owner, was 60 and very heavy when the case broke. She also suffered from claustrophobia.178 Former McMartin teacher Betty Raider was 67, large and no more mobile than a typical person of her age. She also had poor eyesight.179 Mary Ann Jackson was 60.

All of these former adult defendants, as well as three younger ones, were alleged to have traveled through the tunnels with their toddler charges. How did all of the teachers and school children manage to fit through the supposed entrance and tunnel passage and into the "secret room" that contained a table, several chairs, a couch and two lions and was, at most, 4½ feet high? How did they breathe in compact underground cavities and why didn't a visiting parent ever notice any of the alleged trap doors?

2) The 50' tunnel was both linear and slightly curvilinear (i.e. an elongated passageway leading in a definable direction(s).

As described in the MTP report, the alleged tunnel follows an unlikely path, taking a sharp turn to the right just after the alleged entrance, instead of continuing in a straight line to the hypothetical underground room (i.e., the cavity for trash described above) by the shortest distance between two points.

3) The tunnels were "large enough for adult human passage," although, admittedly, adults would have to bend over. This plausibility was already discussed in (1).

4) "Characteristic scars indicating that it (the tunnel) had been dug by hand were noted in the large (room-like) sector of the feature in Classroom #4."

The mere presence of shovel marks may prove that someone dug the cavity but it does not offer a clue as to how the shallow cavity was used. Also, these marks are not visible in the photographic documentation. In fact they are not visible at all in the photo. There is also no record that these marks exist in other areas of the "tunnel."

It is also difficult to understand how the shovel marks of the excavators could be distinguished from previous shovel marks, given the fact that shoveling was a necessary part of the excavation. The evidence, as discussed above, is that this cavity was used to store trash. It may be assumed that whoever dumped the trash first dug a cavity to place it in — a perfectly normal and expected event.

5) "The feature had a compacted dirt floor (especially noted in the room-like sector) which was distinguishable from the non-compacted soil matrix found in immediately adjacent, but non tunnel, areas."

No photographic documentation of this has been provided. In light of Dr. Michael's report to Stickel that the dune sands, which makes up the area's soil formation, were "very well compacted" it seems unlikely that Stickel's observation that the surrounding area was "non-compacted" is accurate.180

6) "The tunnel was not found open."

7) "In contrast, the tunnel was found to have been completely, artificially filled in with soil. The fill soil had been very tightly compacted so as to leave no small openings. The soil used for fill was distinguishable on the basis of color, texture and compaction from the original soil deposit at the site."

The presence of artificial fill, compacted or not, does not prove that a tunnel existed. There is no logical explanation how the tunnels could have been filled in after 1983, as theorized.181 The defendants, if not under surveillance or incarcerated pending bail for periods of months to years, could not have performed the job of filling in a 30-inch wide, 50-foot long tunnel by themselves.

A work crew hauling in wheel barrels full of dirt and pre-1940s' trash deposits (where would this trash be obtained in 1983?) in and out of the school grounds (which were highly visible from busy Manhattan Beach Blvd.) would have been easily noticed by passers by or neighbors in the day or night.182 McGauley's claim that one neighbor did witness "workers with wheel barrels at night" is offered without corroboration, as is her analysis that other neighbors did not report tunnel refilling activities because they were "apparently all involved [with the alleged perpetrators]."183

Stickel admits the task of refilling the tunnel would have required "a great deal of dirt," but the most scientific hypothesis he has presented so far is that the tunnels would have been filled in "very carefully."184

It is also unlikely that the alleged tunnel could have been tightly compacted without detection. According to SRS geophysicist Bob Beers, "If you have a large tunnel, big enough for a person to crawl through, no matter how much you throw dirt in it, and you're talking about trying to fill it to the brim, and compact it given one or two rainy seasons, that dirt is going to compact and you're going to end up with a little air gap between the natural soil between the top of the tunnel . . . You would visually see it."

Detectable mud deposited by ground water in between the top of the fill and the ground level might also be present, according to Beers.185 There is no mention or documentation of the above phenomenon in Stickel's report.

8) The tunnel fill contained large inclusions of artifacts (1603), especially in the possible room area, including "four large containers found upright in the tunnel's passage under the dividing wall between Classrooms #3 and #4."

The presence of trash artifacts proves the existence of trash artifact, not tunnels."


Sorry, but the conclusion that Stickel found a multi-generational garbage pit sounds far more convincing than the "devil pit" conclusion.
Stickels doesn't appear to have been very "rigorous" in his methodology.

Sorry.

Better luck next time.

I would like to know Stickel's pre-conceptions before he began his dig, though.
Say, his religious beliefs.

It would have a huge bearing on how he's interpreted his findings.

Actual video of the site would have helped too, since the only photos I saw support the Stickel nay-sayers way more than they support Stickels.

As it stands, all we have is the word of one man.

When given the utterly bizarre nature of the accusations, that just don't cut it.

I do find it curious that the kids never mentioned tunnels under the school until after the parent's excavations of the vacant lot turned up nothing.

Of course, maybe that hot-air balloon the abusers transported the kids in was used to take them to a satanically created exact duplicate of the pre-school where real tunnels existed.

While I'm not serious, my hot-air ballon theory strains credibility less than some of the other stories around McMartin.


I do have to give "ritual abuse expert" Dr. Summit some credit though. He managed to come up with a psychological gobble-de-gook version of Witch Dunking with his "child abuse accommodation syndrome."

You know, the one where you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

The Inquisitors would have welcomed him into their ranks with open arms since they used a similar form of logic. Since the Devil was the father of all lies, if you denied being a witch you were lying & should be tortured, & if you admitted to it, well then they just burnt you or hung you or whatever made their priestly peckers hardest & provided the drooling mob of spectators the best spectacle.

1/19/2008 06:00:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

The fine art of debunking. Saw a ton of that on the Larry King show last night.

1/19/2008 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

I agree that time is the fundamental issue but what the West needs to realize is the ability for the future to be perceived in the present, as a vision that is "more real" than typical modern waking state. The past is also stored as an emotional or electochemical function of time - a holograph - which can also be changed.

I've been researching this issue a lot lately, on a forum that has had lots of enquiries about my "psychic music" analysis. Essentially time in the West, since Plato, has been defined geometrically as a "postive coupling" using symmetric-based logic. This started with Archytas but was picked up again by Descartes, Galileo and Newton whereby time was defined as speed. So twice the time meant twice the speed.

This is exactly the opposite of how time was measured in nonwestern logic. Before Plato time was measured as the INVERSE ratio of distance -- not a "positive coupling." So if a distance is twice as long the speed as frequency is half as much. So twice the frequency is 1/2 the distance for a distance or vibrating string length of 1. This is called the "law of Pythagoras" and is expressed as the diverging harmonic series.

Anyway to achieve a "positive coupling" of time, the West needs to rely on logarithmic-based math, using a "one-to-one correspondence" of letter, as geometry (side and area) to number as distance length. This is the commutative principle. The positive coupling is achieved using weights as tension so that 4 times the weight, as distance, equals twice the frequency or speed -- the inverse square law.

This meant that momentum could be changed to mass as a constant by Newton but then Einstein showed that at high frequencies (speed of light) the mass changes back into momentum.

Einstein still relies on symmetric-based measurement of time but the original "inverse ratio" of distance and frequency was based on complementary opposites, not a "one-to-one correspondance" or the commutative principle. The complementary opposites shows up again in quantum physics, not just in the Uncertainty Principle, (whereby momentum times position does not equal position times momentum) but also in the Time-Frequency Uncertainty Priniciple.

The Time-Frequency Uncertainty Principle is essentially a restatement of the original "inverse ratio" Law of Pythagoras -- as the frequency increases the amplitude spreads across the whole energy spectrum. But, again, this "uncertainty" is statistical and relies on a symmetrical analysis, using "divide and average" math. In contrast nonwestern harmonics uses inverse induction logic stating that the frequency of the harmonic series as the octave or 1/2 and the perfect fifth 2/3 and its complementary opposite perfect fourth or 3/4, continue to resonate through the whole energy spectrum, precisely because they are asymmetric. 2/3 is yang and 3/4 is yin in Taoist alchemy.

The logic is pure inference which means that we can infer that the source of the original or fundamental frequency is pure consciousness -- beyond space and beyond time -- and this consciousness is actually female, because it's the complimentary opposite source of one or the source of the I-thought. 2/3 and 3/4 is expressed as inherent attraction because of the asymmetry.

With practice of this knowledge, through ancient exercises utilizing the complimentary harmonics of the body aka the small universe exercise and the full-lotus, etc., then a trance vision is experience which actually is precognition. There is also an immediate translation of information through electromagnetic fields processed in through the pineal gland -- creating telepathy and telekinesis, as the expression of these harmonics.

Position paper #34 abstract of the Minnesota-based Center for Reichian Crypto-Anthropology, anti-copyright.

1/19/2008 01:08:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Morning, JAD. I really, really don't want to get into the whole McMartin debate. I wasn't there, and I don't know anybody who was. The tale is plenty similar in its general outlines to places I have been, so it resonates for me. Pazder was the kind of helpful figure who will tell a parent one thing ("he's lying, this is very common"), a patient another ("I believe you, I can help you"), and anybody else whatever his quick mind detected them wanting to hear. Then, down the line, you find out he's been at the parties of other involved parties (not necessarily garden parties, in case you were wondering). Upper-class neighbourhoods are small places, and should you happen to have the (mis)fortune of growing up in one, you find that even a fair-size city's elite are tightly interwoven. Whatever endless cut-and-post evidentiary arguments we might like to have (I really do favour links, with brief abstracts - I can click easier than scroll, and it is easy for my poor vision to miss post headers while scrolling, making for back-and-forthing and frustration), I am well aware of the kinds of power structures that exist around these topics. You might not like to see them. I can't help it. I sing the blues, I've lived the dues (apologies to CSNY). Don't worry about 'next time'. The whole thing makes me ill. Talking about it is bad enough without arguing about it, and we are rather far off topic for this thread. Hopefully Jeff will finish this one up, or post something else for us to talk about. How's them Wankees?

I'm off back to bed. I didn't sleep enough and it's cold in here.
Lord Reptor

1/19/2008 02:36:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

TripleG - we are not allowed to perceive the nature of time. Otherwise, we couldn't learn anything. And what is your guess as to the cause for H.R. Klinton's exploding-eyeball mental state? PCP or an analogue is my best guess.

Ta,
Lord R.

1/19/2008 02:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Great Galactic Ghoul's Girlfriend said...

TripleG - we are not allowed to perceive the nature of time.

Two pumps and a squirt in my experience.

1/19/2008 06:22:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Well I guess we know what caused the exploding-eyeball mental state.

1/19/2008 07:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Richard...I hear ya. But why then are you play acting in the Indian Lake story? You know some people don't know that that's a fictional story, right?

http://dicklickinggood.blogspot.com/2007/12/theyre-on-to-me.html

So why spread the meme, jelly bean?

1/20/2008 02:30:00 AM  
Anonymous mondo said...

lately I've really been transfixed on the idea that if our media was to do the same kind of reporting on politics and politicians as they do on celebrities and sports, we would be far better off as a nation in just about every way imaginable. Have you noticed all the in-depth, fearless reports done on the likes of Pac Man Jones, Tom Brady, Michael Vick, etc.? Can you imagine if we were to get that kind of journalism about our politicians?

1/20/2008 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous mondo said...

What do you make on the 3 fold increase in fluoride in California tap water last month? My only answer is that Californians are in for some shenanigans in the next couple of years and the PTB want as many drooling, incoherent zombies as possible. A three fold hike w/o explanation is bizarre. Especially considering Cal already ozonates their water to begin with. Which kills 99.9 percent of all pathogens.

1/20/2008 09:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But most new fridges come with a filter that filters out 99% of all chemicals and contaminants. Perhaps the poor can get their priorities in order and buy one of these fridges, or a tap filter, instead of blowing their last dime on cell phones, video games and rims for their cars. If they don't give a shit, why should you?

1/20/2008 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hope y'all are up for doing something about it.

Yeah!! Let's kill "Whitey!!"

1/20/2008 10:41:00 AM  
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1/20/2008 01:07:00 PM  
Blogger Emanuel said...

What's with the "[more to come]" statement Jeff? Are you trying to increase your hits? I interpret that to mean "more to come sooner than usual." Otherwise, why say it?

Emanuel

1/20/2008 01:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mondo:

Where did you get the info that there has been a 3-fold increase in fluoride in California tap water over the past few months?

I googled and couldn't find anything on this.

According to one website, "The Flouride Glut: sources of flouride" which lists a link to a chart showing the percentage of each state that has flouridated water, only 27% of all water is flouridated in CA.

If this is true, then of course the powers that be want as many Californians to be couch potatoes as possible to stop the march to a police state when the next trigger event, economic downturn, war with Iran, bioterror, happens later this year.

Please list an article for this when you get a chance.

1/20/2008 05:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to Anon 1/20/08, 10:27AM:

by the way, flouride can not be filtered out using cheap water filters in refrigerators or $35 Britta water filters.

The only way to get rid of flouride is through reverse osmosis, which only very expensive water filters starting at $200 and above.

Another factor that so many people haven't gotten angry is not that they're couch potatoes, their standard of living is such that they have to work longer at their current job and then sometimes have to work an extra job to make ends meet.

Lastly, don't forget that The Powers That Be have been using EMF wave beam transmission as an additional form of mind control over areas, say for example, the SF Bay Area, or targets such as Sen Boxer's office. What results is that more people are being "zapped" and don't know it so they come home from work exhausted and have little energy to do much except even open the mail and get something to eat for dinner.

1/20/2008 05:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

please post a link showing that $35 water filters don't filter fluoride.

also, who drinks tap water these days, anyway? everyone drinks canned beverages full of poison, or bottled water these days. i don't know many people who drink water, at all, let alone out of the tap.

1/20/2008 05:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a quick search does indeed reveal that you need a special filter to remove fluoride. also, upon review, apparently we absorb more chemicals from bathing than we do drinking, so even if you filter your tap water, you're still absorbing it in the shower, if you shower. if you don't shower and only drink out of a bottle or can, then you are free and clear, and you can continue with your regularly scheduled programming.

i can't believe they continue to fluoridate the water considering the landslide of evidence concerning its destructive effects. it has no unrepudiated benefits, and yet the sheeple don't care. it's all just fine so long as they still have their remotes, cellphones, HDTVs and.........you fill in the rest because the list is too long and my fingers are stiffening.

god fuck us all.

1/20/2008 06:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dear Anon 6:22PM:

unless the mainstream media covers the health problems caused with flouride added to the municipal water supplies, then the "sheeple" won't care because essentially they're too ignorant to care about it if it's not being discussed on talk shows/news programs/CNN/MSNBC/magazines, etc. There is an institutionalized conspiracy of silence over this entire issue of adding flouride: the reality is that poisoning the municipal water supplies and lying that flouride is good for you.

If you do a google on flouride, you'll come across a video called "the flouride deception" and the more digging, the more posts you'll find about how flouride causes health problems from child leukemia to thyroid problems.

the health problems caused by adding flouride to the water are almost on a scale equivalent to problems caused by smoking cigarettes except that they aren't as obvious. There is tremendous denial going on about this issue along with alot of pressure to give up bottled water altogether because of the pollution caused by the plastic water bottles.

[Adding flouride to the water supplies in the name of reducing tooth decay in children and getting the american medical assocation and american dental assocations to provide the "stamp of approval" for the added flouride] is just a way for the aluminum and nuclear industries to completely avoid any liability for the massive flouride pollution caused from the production of aluminum and uranium. Plus the big side benefit is that people's IQ's are lowered something like 10 to 20 points by drinking flouridated water plus of course people are more "amenable" to whatever orders they are given. Apparently the first country to add Flouride was Nazi Germany in their concentration camps followed by Stalin's siberian gulags.

I'm sure the powers that be don't drink tap water or even shower with it since they have their own water wells on their large estates.

1/20/2008 09:04:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

I posted the film, the Fluoride Deception, above as well.

Something from Commodity Ecology about fluoride, with some of my favorite stats on fluoride:

"In this video, Christopher Bryson, an award-winning journalist and former producer at the BBC, discusses the findings of his new book The Fluoride Deception that is the product of 10 years of research and censorship by major U.S. journalistic publications (like the Christian Science Monitor that he had attempted to publish this within earlier (that article at this link).

EARLY REVIEWS of The Fluoride Deception: "Bryson marshals an impressive amount of research to demonstrate fluoride's harmfulness, the ties between leading fluoride researchers and the corporations who funded and benefited from their research, and what he says is the duplicity with which fluoridation was sold to the people. The result is a compelling challenge to the reigning dental orthodoxy, which should provoke renewed scientific scrutiny and public debate."


Most countries of the world reject fluoridation on health and ethical grounds. Why does the USA recommend fluoridating its population particularly after WWII, and exhibit itself as the lone nut of the world's countries in this practice? This video and the book help explain why: fluoride streams have a lot to do with aluminum refining wastes and the U.S. Manhattan Project--the U.S. nuclear bomb program. Both generated massive toxic levels of fluorides. They were subsequently dumped into the U.S. water supply as well as sold to the public with lies that it was safe, lies crafted by master corporate public relations consultant Edward Bernays to keep the U.S. government and U.S. industries that utilized fluoride insulated by a snowjob that fluoride was safe. It was Bernay's public relations for the U.S. government and U.S. industry that sold fluoride through intentionally convincing (and funding) doctors and dentists to legitimate it even though the government knew it was harmful all the time!

However, fluoride was not safe, and never was. Fluoride is the "protected pollutant" in the USA (and in other countries that utilize it), making fluoride a very politically powerful pollutant known to cause bone cancers, I.Q. reduction (as a neurotoxin), skeletal fluorosis, emphysema, and even deaths. Fluoride can additionally cause infertility and suppress thyroid function.

Quotes about fluoridation from other countries at this short article from The Ecologist (July/August 2003):

France: 'Fluoride chemicals are not included in the list [of chemicals for drinking water treatment]. This is due to ethical as well as medical considerations.' --Louis Sanchez, head of environmental standards for the city of Paris, August 2000

Belgium: 'This water treatment has never been of use in Belgium and will never be (we hope) in the future.' --Christian Legros, director, Belgaqua, Brussels, February 2000

Norway: 'In Norway we had a rather intense discussion on this subject some 20 years ago, and the conclusion was that drinking water should not be fluoridated.' --The National Institute of Public Health, Oslo, March 2000

Austria: 'Toxic fluorides have never been added to public water supplies in Austria.' --Manfred Eisenhut, head of water at Gass Wasser, Vienna, February 2000

Czech Republic: 'Since 1993 drinking water has not been treated with fluoride in public water supplies throughout the Czech Republic. Although fluoridation of drinking water has not actually been proscribed it is not under consideration because this form of supplementation is considered:

- uneconomical -- only 0.54 per cent of water suitable for drinking is used as such; furthermore; an increasing amount of consumers (particularly children) are using bottled water for drinking;

- unecological

- unethical [because of lack of consumer choice]; and

- toxicologically and physiologically debatable; fluoridation represents an untargeted form of supplementation that disregards actual individual intake and requirements and may lead to excessive health-threatening intake in certain population groups.' -- Dr. B. Havlik, Minister of Health, the Czech Republic, October 1999

98% of countries in Western Europe have rejected fluoridation.

7:1 is the ratio of the incidence of bone cancer in fluoridated countries to non-fluoridated countries.

---
http://commodityecology.blogspot.com/2007/06/32-potable-liquids.html

1/21/2008 02:04:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

I live in the north-west. I just got home from work and I don't even feel up to opening my mai. It's just after 6 am here and my "zapchecker says I'm being pulsed with RF. Information travels better when it's in a pulse. But who is receiving these pulses? I know I am because they are registering but what I don't know is whether thes "emf" is aimed at me or is serving some other function. When you think about it, all the commercial users including am, fm, elf, ulf, the whole commercial spectrum, except shortwave send continuous radiation which I have screened out so that I can detect these very active pulses. Flouride is linked to the g-receptors in the brain which are the same receptors that normally attach to the canniboids produced in our bodies. Flouride blocks thes canniboids. Given the chemtrails, HAARP, RF and flouridated water, there is obviously a move to isolate and block the non-verbal communications ie..the cosmic mind..cosmic consciousness..that has been the mainstay of humanity since the beginning. Like I said before the light at the end of the tunnel is a black hole. Even Laura Knight has said that TPTB are out to close down our relationship with the Creator.

1/21/2008 09:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that was an excellent video about the fluoride deception, and the book looks like one to add to the collection.

there is still the answer of the why? and that's what concerns me, because without a why, there is wild speculation to fill the knowledge gap, and that's where the truth gets distorted and lost. it's important to know the why because the mechanism that has allowed this menace to persist must be the focus of the solution, otherwise you may be successful in ending the fluoridation program, but other, equally menacing programs may be created and/or perpetuated because the beast has many heads, or the octopus has many arms.

1/21/2008 02:17:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

See all that is just electrochemical energy. Female formless awareness is accessed only AFTER the creation of strong electromagnetic fields that then turn into light, bending spacetime.

So conceptual knowledge is "48" by Gurdjieff, moving knowledge is "24", electrochemical or sex energy is 12 but must be ionized by ultrasound (the natural harmonics of sound) to create MI 12 or generative force (blissful heat).

MI 12 is where most people get and most people end. To achieve hydrogen 6 -- female formless awareness -- requires resonating the M12 energy strong enough through the heart.

The full-lotus is the direct route to do this because the 24 or moving energy is neutralized by the 12 energy -- sex energy, through the internal climax created by the full-lotus.

That's why I sit in full-lotus at the computer, while reading in restaurants, cafes, the library, at work, etc.

Even still my current energy is just yang bliss light -- or the lead of alchemy -- the vitality (electrochemical energy) that is "scattered" or shot of the 3rd eye. To create chi or electromagnetic energy (mercury) is seen as gold (shen or spirit light) in Taoism. It requires focusing the energy inward to build it up -- rejecting the mundane world.

That's what's required to open up the third eye initially -- called a gong or 100 days of training or the 3 months in the sacred forest, required by the matrilineal witchcraft training in Africa (or Brazil).

1/21/2008 07:02:00 PM  
Blogger American Goy said...

Is this a bad place to spam my blog?

It is somewhat like this one, except much more amateur and worse.

Oh well.

http://americangoy.blogspot.com/

1/21/2008 07:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Great Galactic Ghoul's Girlfriend said...

If you call me "formless" one more time, I'll shove your Lotus fully up your Gurdjieff till your Yang is blissed out and you'll be corpoREAL fucked. Now uncross your legs and come back to bed, mama's hungry sweetypie.

x

1/21/2008 08:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,I just finished listening to DR.Kings speech"Why I Am Opposed To The Vietnam War".If you throw in your two cents in this fucked up place called "Merica",you'all get your head blowed off.Everyday this place slips deeper and deeper into the shithole,but don't worry things are just fine.Ericswan,you might have something there with all the zappen going on.Mix in a heapen helpen of SSRI's and you might think you were just having a bad dream.I would also suggest that you get your self a new HDTV,that way when Matraya comes he look more convincing."The Nervous Breakdown"is one little step away for the sheeple,the shell is about to be cracked.Anonymous 2:30,could you give more info on Indian Lake,later.

1/22/2008 06:54:00 AM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Yeah - speaking of the old R.F. zappery, anyone else having a lot of weird dreams lately? ELF stations working overtime, maybe? Have a HAARPY day, folks.
P.S. - Should the saucer invasion come, just remember - they're German-designed, Japanese built, and American-manned (which accounts for all the crashes). Check out 'Reich of the Black Sun' for some fun history on this angle. Those crazy Germans and their polar bases!

Ready to club the Maitreya (sp?) with my modified dogstopper (a.k.a a cheap seven-pound axe with a T.V. remote taped to it),
Lord Reptor.

P.P.S. Where's Jeff? In the clutches of the amphibian horde? Or just tired of entertaining a bunch of freaks?

1/22/2008 02:52:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

January 22, 2008 posting ... sorry for the lack of postings over the past few days ... will try to keep up ... when you do not see activity here that means that lots is going on in the background ... but take note ... ALL INDICATORS are pointing to a possible huge earth wide shattering economical collapse in the next weeks with a resulting social upheaval to follow ... here are the rules you must follow ... stay in your houses and remain calm ... do not let economic pressures force you from your dwellings ... be prepared to TAKE CARE OF YOURSELVES and your immediate family ... do not leave your homes for supplies ... be prepared in advance ... water ... basic food and shelter ... you will be on your own ... jim mccanney

1/22/2008 03:03:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

@Ericswan - have you read Dick's VALIS books? The man was ON this stuff, baby. On other stuff, too, but boy did he touch something big in those ones. I'm in the north (extra-north) west, too. I have no idea what a zapchecker is, but I do know that the Rooskies were experimenting very successfully with both direct and remote interference with mammalian nervous systems at least as far back as the 60's. I used to pick up the Woodpecker and Chainsaw broadcasts on my clock radio as a kid. The sound was pretty much identical to what John Walson says he caught by focussing his little dish on his mystery spacecraft. Explains why the U.S. hasn't had a change of government yet - a population of brain-zapped zombies packed to the gills with soft metals.
Anyone else remember those broadcasts?
All this, and me right out of cannabinoids. And firewood.

Freezing my ass off in the remains of the great coastal forest,
Lord Reptor.

1/22/2008 03:05:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Reptor...That's exactly where Viktor Schauberger fits in. He developed the Nazi saucers based on his study of water and nature..

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/vtxtech.htm

1/22/2008 03:09:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

@Ericswan agin' - Well, I'm short of supplies at this point in the winter, but the warning you sound is basically why we moved to
a)an island, with
b)lots of fresh water and trees,
c)lots of deer and fish, and
d)neighbours with guns.
My body won't allow firewood gathering or hunting (don't trust them surgeons - they get paid for screwing up even better than for success), but I can cook, bake, and garden. Barter works O.K. here, and people look out for each other in that grumpy hardass islander way. Hope we all weather this shit OK.

Still freezing,
Lord Reptor.

1/22/2008 03:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

but what about you precious cigarettes, swan? you have to love the inherent contradiction in smoking cigarettes, yet growing and eating organic food. talk about inhaling conspiracy.

1/22/2008 03:15:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

@Ericswan (again) - oh, THAT'S why Schauberger sounded familiar. All that scary vorticular radiation motor stuff - melting technicians etc. Yeughk. Wish my steel roof was made of lead.

Suffering keyboard icing and dreaming of scoring a LOT of firewood this spring,
Lord Reptor.

1/22/2008 03:21:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

@ anon - grow your own nicotine. That way, there's no uranium-bearing gypsum in the fertilizer. A lot of the nasty waste from atomic energy programs finds its way into your diet. Just ask C. Everett Koop. Besides, life is short, and smoking is fun. Better Lightweed than Darkweed, but either way, be aware of where it comes from.
P.S. Food labelled organic just comes in smaller packets with bigger price tags. Find a farmer you trust for your greens and meats, skip the packaging.

Hungry and cold,
Lord Reptor.

1/22/2008 03:27:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Yin is electrochemical energy (jing or lead)-- the lower emotions as the lower half of the body: pancreas is worry, kidney is fear, liver is anger, heart is passion, lungs is sadness.

When practicing the small universe (the 12 notes as infinite transduction) along the front and back of the body or the full-lotus or tai-chi

The yin energy is ionized into yang electromagnetic energy or chi (or mercury).

When the electromagnetic energy is ionized strong enough then it turns into light (shen or gold).

The light is yin as spirit energy and then yang as light so intense it creates another physical body -- or yin as electrochemical energy.

So the yin and yang keep cycling but what enables this process is the source of the one, the first number, which is male.

The source of the first number is also a complimentary opposite and is therefore female but is beyond spacetime -- it's pure consciousness.

So Pythagoras taught all is number and harmony. Harmony means the goddess harmonia as female formless awareness.

the number two is female as electrochemical energy and the number 3 is male as electromagnetic energy. The number one is male as sound.

The process starts and ends with sound connecting to electrochemical energy -- sound represents the generative force or jing or lead energy.

The source of sound, as logical inference, is the source of time as female formless awareness. What enables this process, started by listening as logical inference, is the complimentary opposites inherent to number.

1/22/2008 03:44:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

@TripleG - I think that's 'lungs are' not 'lungs is'. Watch out for that Maitreya guy. He'll rip off your nipples.

Formlessly,
Lord Reptor.

1/22/2008 04:06:00 PM  
Blogger Belliosto said...

just another dick or anyone else you may appreciate this short video on YouTube. Horrors of the Past: Classic B&W Giant Monster Films MV

Music cover by Godsmack song Awake

1/22/2008 06:51:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

The light is created from the pineal gland -- or through it -- as bent from formless awareness.

We don't create anything.

So Einstein's Twin Paradox states that if in an elevator dropping at the speed of light you appear to be accelerating up while in actually mass is pressing you down or time as light causes space to contract and relative to a twin not travelling at this speed time actually slows down.

This is how spacetime is bent but instead of relying on mass as a logarithmic measure you rely on time as a complimentary opposite harmonic using logical inference.

One is male but not a number (and therefore the form of the formless or "I am that I am.")

The reason one is not a number because the process is something we exist within. We LISTEN to the source of the I-thought or focus on the harmonics of our body -- both resonate energy as complimentary opposites as an eternal process mediated by female formless awareness.

As long as our mind exists then we have subconscious desires that are answered for us when we resonate with female formless awareness. The desires are stored in our bodies as intense light (charged with electrochemical energy). Meditation is just the conscious resonance of that which is stored normally subconsciously.

The end of this process is also the beginning -- female formless awareness. It can not be resolved through binary based language -- but only as what Gurdjieff calls the Law of Three: yin, yang and female formless awareness (or I (1) AM (2:3:4) that (female formles awareness) I Am).

As long as the I-thought exists then karma is created but if we continue to pursue the source of the I-thought then our mind is physically killed, behind our heart, and the mind restarts as now automatically resonating with female formless awareness with every breath. This is what Sri Ramana Maharshi achieved after 9 years of solitude -- it's called the direct path to cut the knot for eternal liberation. It's what shiva does via kali.

1/22/2008 10:30:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Drew..Do you actually or is your ego?

Try this link and get a life.

http://everythingforever.com/

1/23/2008 12:05:00 AM  
Blogger American Goy said...

This should blow your mind:

http://americangoy.blogspot.com/2008/01/americangoy-takes-on-american-stock.html


Seriously.

It's my masterpiece.
Close enough to what Rigorous Intuition is doing. Close :)

1/23/2008 03:08:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Ericswan said...

Given the chemtrails, HAARP, RF and flouridated water, there is obviously a move to isolate and block the non-verbal communications ie..the cosmic mind..cosmic consciousness..that has been the mainstay of humanity since the beginning. Like I said before the light at the end of the tunnel is a black hole. Even Laura Knight has said that TPTB are out to close down our relationship with the Creator.

Agreed, except for the black hole bit. The desire and ability to connect dynamically to Source provides inspiration that will never killed by the CTB. (They love it when you call them the PTB, because it supports the false conclusion that they are in control.)

The basic interest of any authority structure is to mediate the experience of others, to be in a place to define proper expressions of being. As such, they always get in the way of direct connection with Source. This is an old game, manifested at the Consul of Nicea in the form of the common doctrine. Constantine may have felt that tax breaks to the Churches that accepted the common doctrine was a no-brainer, so to speak. Enthusiasm or the unmediated connection to source is always a threat to the State.

1/23/2008 07:55:00 AM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Well at the beginning of mind yoga you just repeat I-I-I-I over and over -- not as a mantra -- as a logical experiment to see where the source of all your thoughts come from.

The mind on it's own is very weak. What this process does is sublimate and transduce the electrochemicals of the body. Sri Ramana Maharshi says to focus your mind on the right side of your heart -- which is the complimentary opposite of the left-brain mind yoga.

This practice is supplemented by full-lotus or the small universe, etc. but mind yoga stresses that it is both the process and the goal of meditation -- to eventually kill the mind as it resonates back to it's formless source, which creates light.

Most people practicing this do not accept that this involves the heart stopping for 10 minutes and then restarting -- but then, especially in the West, would it be even possible to go public with such a reality? The fact is that the jain saints were those who starved themselves to death, practicing this same mind yoga. They definitely may have misunderstood the practice since conscious resonance beyond the heart-mind enables restarting the body as well.

1/23/2008 05:32:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Hey G, how bout you try to engage, -like human too human some time? Your inner social child is itching to get out.

1/23/2008 06:20:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

ericswan,

do me a favor, eh? take a gander at this new format (you don't have to read the whole first post, as it's unwieldy and in serious need of editing--it's not even really finished) and tell me what you think. i'm thinkng it looks a little too derivative of RI and other such seeker outlets, which is not my purpose at all...

oh, yeah. i'm in the middle of something on Dr. Dee--what were those links of yours?

best,

ic

1/23/2008 07:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Dr. Gene said...

Get on the telephone...

1/24/2008 12:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let men beware lest they neglect the lesson conveyed to them in the words of Christ. As He warned His disciples of Jerusalem's destruction, giving them a sign of the approaching ruin, that they might make their escape; so He has warned the world of the day of final destruction and has given them tokens of its approach, that all who will may flee from the wrath to come. Jesus declares: "There shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations." Luke 21:25; Matthew 24:29; Mark 13:24-26; Revelation 6:12-17. Those who behold these harbingers of His coming are to "know that it is near, even at the doors." Matthew 24:33. "Watch ye therefore," are His words of admonition. Mark 13:35. They that heed the warning shall not be left in darkness, that that day should overtake them unawares. But to them that will not watch, "the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night." 1 Thessalonians 5:2-5.

One of the most magnificent temples in the entire world, one of the most beautiful cities--the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, by the Romans under Titus. It was an appalling spectacle to the Roman, what was it to the Jew? The whole summit of the hill which commanded the city blazed like a volcano.

Jerusalem, the city that a Roman general tried to save,--but was burned to the ground anyway--in spite of anything men could do to save it.--Because of a prophecy Jesus gave--thirty-nine years before.

1/24/2008 06:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jesus christ, really?

1/24/2008 08:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ic's a charlatan. he doesn't allow anonymous comments on his new site. that fact alone belies everything for which he stands.

1/24/2008 08:59:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Lemmings don't actually stampede over the cliff. Wild Kingdom faked the meme using a turntable on the top of the cliff and committing the atrocity to fulfill the myth.

To the anony poster..let's call him Thumper ..In the words of that animated bunny to his buddy Bambi.."If you haven't got anything good to say, don't say anything at all".

I posted a revelation video at one of my blogs. If you have the inclination for revisionist history please take the walk on the wild side.

http://hakkors.blogspot.com/

1/24/2008 09:05:00 AM  
Anonymous fluoride fran said...

it's time for your cigarette break, swan.

1/24/2008 09:18:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

ic's a charlatan. he doesn't allow anonymous comments on his new site. that fact alone belies everything for which he stands.



Anonymous,

"For which he stands"? What am I, some republic to which ye seekers can pledge your allegiances? I'm but a humble novice myself, pal--open to any notion you care to submit.

As for the closed comment thing, well, I hadn't really intended to start up this new thing just yet, since I've already committed myself to a real project (you know, actually breaking ground and transsubstantiating those free-floating rhetorical life-rafts into self-sufficient neo-Pythagorean igloo communities*), so I hadn't yet set up those comment field protocols. I've just now gone and done so, which is probably a mistake, since the whole thing will likely be taken down by the GooglePlex Blogging Authorities as soon as the historian-priest whom I (inadvertantly, of course) de-robed gets wind of my impertinence.

He's already banned me from his very open discussion boards merely on account of my suggestion that the American Revolution he treats so reverently was really not much more than a bunch of rich white guys who didn't want to pay their taxes (since they didn't seem much concerned about "representation" once they set up their own little empire...)

This turns out to be a nice point of comparison: I'm everything this guy isn't. I don't claim to be an authority on anything, I don't screen my guests, and I'm not pledging fealty to any particular power block or ideology. So, if you wanted to say something about my unfinished first examination of The Illusion, go for it, although I must say that I haven't even made my point yet. I really just wanted ericswan's opinion of the set up, such as it is.

(E: thanks, I know, and I'm working on cleaning it up and letting my guide out of his box. Belliosto & surrender: you guys are simply great. I will also respond over there...)


*You can see that project I'm trying to launch in all those tomorrowtoday/habitat & environment/sustainability & abundance/Round House for a Green Day things I started way back when, or at least the humble beginnings thereof, but much is new there, since I'm now finally working with the architects, designers, scientists and just regular folks who've expressed an interest in the idea of turning things around by pointing the old "as above, so below" notion heavenward.

The weirdest thing about how this is coming about is that some of the biggest contributors are people I just happen to meet out in the real world whom I then steer toward the roots of the idea I'm to make real. Philip Ball's notes for a talk he gave to some physicists about the Patterns in Art & Nature is one example of the kind of "bait" that has caught some very big fish for "the cause."

Triple-G, if you're on our plane today--slumming with the unenlighted, looking for some converts, etc--please don't launch into another round of "Pythagoras was wrong!" What you never understood in all your researches is that these patterns in nature can be used for something very different from the Matrix. Consider Feigulson's SMADEV, or the most immediate crisis on the planet: the death of the earth's water dynamic, which the Globalists are now in the process of addressing by "applying the discipline of the market"--doublespeak for bottled, chemically treated water in the most savage scarcity regime the world has ever seen.

The alternative to that über-Soylent Solution is to follow Viktor's advice: comprehend & copy Nature, which means finding and understanding the patterns of the water dynamic and then making our own river revitalization tools.

We can never really be outside Nature, no matter how blind, or insulated, or naïve we might be; we are irrevocably (although no longer inexplicably) connected with everything and everyone in the universe (or at least within our wrinkle in time).

Peace & Love, all--it's our strongest suit, after all.

1/24/2008 12:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Origin of Evil
To many minds the origin of sin and the reason for its existence are a source of great perplexity. They see the work of evil, with its terrible results of woe and desolation, and they question how all this can exist under the sovereignty of One who is infinite in wisdom, in power, and in love. Here is a mystery of which they find no explanation. And in their uncertainty and doubt they are blinded to truths plainly revealed in God's word and essential to salvation. There are those who, in their inquiries concerning the existence of sin, endeavor to search into that which God has never revealed; hence they find no solution of their difficulties; and such as are actuated by a disposition to doubt and cavil seize upon this as an excuse for rejecting the words of Holy Writ. Others, however, fail of a satisfactory understanding of the great problem of evil, from the fact that tradition and misinterpretation have obscured the teaching of the Bible concerning the character of God, the nature of His government, and the principles of His dealing with sin.

It is impossible to explain the origin of sin so as to give a reason for its existence. Yet enough may be understood concerning both the origin and the final disposition of sin to make fully manifest the justice and benevolence of God in all His dealings with evil. Nothing is more plainly taught in Scripture than that God was in no wise responsible for the entrance of sin; that there was no arbitrary withdrawal of divine grace, no deficiency in the divine government, that gave occasion for the uprising of rebellion. Sin is an intruder, for whose presence no reason can be given. It is mysterious, unaccountable; to excuse it is to defend it. Could excuse for it be found, or cause be shown for its existence, it would cease to be sin. Our only definition of sin is that given in the word of God; it is "the transgression of the law;" it is the outworking of a principle at war with the great law of love which is the foundation of the divine government.

Before the entrance of evil there was peace and joy throughout the universe. All was in perfect harmony with the Creator's will. Love for God was supreme, love for one another impartial. Christ the Word, the Only Begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father,--one in nature, in character, and in purpose,--the only being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. By Christ the Father wrought in the creation of all heavenly beings. "By Him were all things created, that are in heaven, . . . whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers" (Colossians 1:16); and to Christ, equally with the Father, all heaven gave allegiance.

The law of love being the foundation of the government of God, the happiness of all created beings depended upon their perfect accord with its great principles of righteousness. God desires from all His creatures the service of love--homage that springs from an intelligent appreciation of His character. He takes no pleasure in a forced allegiance, and to all He grants freedom of will, that they may render Him voluntary service.

But there was one that chose to pervert this freedom. Sin originated with him who, next to Christ, had been most honored of God and who stood highest in power and glory among the inhabitants of heaven. Before his fall, Lucifer was first of the covering cherubs, holy and undefiled. "Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering. . . .Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." Ezekiel 28:12-15.

Lucifer might have remained in favor with God, beloved and honored by all the angelic host, exercising his noble powers to bless others and to glorify his Maker. But, says the prophet, "Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness." Verse 17. Little by little, Lucifer came to indulge a desire for self-exaltation. "Thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God." "Thou hast said, . . . I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation....I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High." Verse 6; Isaiah 14:13, 14. Instead of seeking to make God supreme in the affections and allegiance of His creatures, it was Lucifer's endeavor to win their service and homage to himself. And coveting the honor which the infinite Father had bestowed upon His Son, this prince of angels aspired to power which it was the prerogative of Christ alone to wield.

All heaven had rejoiced to reflect the Creator's glory and to show forth His praise. And while God was thus honored, all had been peace and gladness. But a note of discord now marred the celestial harmonies. The service and exaltation of self, contrary to the Creator's plan, awakened forebodings of evil in minds to whom God's glory was supreme. The heavenly councils pleaded with Lucifer. The Son of God presented before him the greatness, the goodness, and the justice of the Creator, and the sacred, unchanging nature of His law. God Himself had established the order of heaven; and in departing from it, Lucifer would dishonor his Maker, and bring ruin upon himself. But the warning, given in infinite love and mercy, only aroused a spirit of resistance. Lucifer allowed jealousy of Christ to prevail, and he became the more determined.

Pride in his own glory nourished the desire for supremacy. The high honors conferred upon Lucifer were not appreciated as the gift of God and called forth no gratitude to the Creator. He gloried in his brightness and exaltation, and aspired to be equal with God. He was beloved and reverenced by the heavenly host. Angels delighted to execute his commands, and he was clothed with wisdom and glory above them all. Yet the Son of God was the acknowledged Sovereign of heaven, one in power and authority with the Father. In all the councils of God, Christ was a participant, while Lucifer was not permitted thus to enter into the divine purposes. "Why," questioned this mighty angel, "should Christ have the supremacy? Why is He thus honored above Lucifer?"

Leaving his place in the immediate presence of God, Lucifer went forth to diffuse the spirit of discontent among the angels. Working with mysterious secrecy, and for a time concealing his real purpose under an appearance of reverence for God, he endeavored to excite dissatisfaction concerning the laws that governed heavenly beings, intimating that they imposed an unnecessary restraint. Since their natures were holy, he urged that the angels should obey the dictates of their own will. He sought to create sympathy for himself by representing that God had dealt unjustly with him in bestowing supreme honor upon Christ. He claimed that in aspiring to greater power and honor he was not aiming at self-exaltation, but was seeking to secure liberty for all the inhabitants of heaven, that by this means they might attain to a higher state of existence.

God in His great mercy bore long with Lucifer. He was not immediately degraded from his exalted station when he first indulged the spirit of discontent, nor even when he began to present his false claims before the loyal angels. Long was he retained in heaven. Again and again he was offered pardon on condition of repentance and submission. Such efforts as only infinite love and wisdom could devise were made to convince him of his error. The spirit of discontent had never before been known in heaven. Lucifer himself did not at first see whither he was drifting; he did not understand the real nature of his feelings. But as his dissatisfaction was proved to be without cause, Lucifer was convinced that he was in the wrong, that the divine claims were just, and that he ought to acknowledge them as such before all heaven. Had he done this, he might have saved himself and many angels. He had not at this time fully cast off his allegiance to God. Though he had forsaken his position as covering cherub, yet if he had been willing to return to God, acknowledging the Creator's wisdom, and satisfied to fill the place appointed him in God's great plan, he would have been reinstated in his office. But pride forbade him to submit. He persistently defended his own course, maintained that he had no need of repentance, and fully committed himself, in the great controversy, against his Maker.

All the powers of his master mind were now bent to the work of deception, to secure the sympathy of the angels that had been under his command. Even the fact that Christ had warned and counseled him was perverted to serve his traitorous designs. To those whose loving trust bound them most closely to him, Satan had represented that he was wrongly judged, that his position was not respected, and that his liberty was to be abridged. From misrepresentation of the words of Christ he passed to prevarication and direct falsehood, accusing the Son of God of a design to humiliate him before the inhabitants of heaven. He sought also to make a false issue between himself and the loyal angels. All whom he could not subvert and bring fully to his side he accused of indifference to the interests of heavenly beings. The very work which he himself was doing he charged upon those who remained true to God. And to sustain his charge of God's injustice toward him, he resorted to misrepresentation of the words and acts of the Creator. It was his policy to perplex the angels with subtle arguments concerning the purposes of God. Everything that was simple he shrouded in mystery, and by artful perversion cast doubt upon the plainest statements of Jehovah. His high position, in such close connection with the divine administration, gave greater force to his representations, and many were induced to unite with him in rebellion against Heaven's authority.

God in His wisdom permitted Satan to carry forward his work, until the spirit of disaffection ripened into active revolt. It was necessary for his plans to be fully developed, that their true nature and tendency might be seen by all. Lucifer, as the anointed cherub, had been highly exalted; he was greatly loved by the heavenly beings, and his influence over them was strong. God's government included not only the inhabitants of heaven, but of all the worlds that He had created; and Satan thought that if he could carry the angels of heaven with him in rebellion, he could carry also the other worlds. He had artfully presented his side of the question, employing sophistry and fraud to secure his objects. His power to deceive was very great, and by disguising himself in a cloak of falsehood he had gained an advantage. Even the loyal angels could not fully discern his character or see to what his work was leading.

Satan had been so highly honored, and all his acts were so clothed with mystery, that it was difficult to disclose to the angels the true nature of his work. Until fully developed, sin would not appear the evil thing it was. Heretofore it had had no place in the universe of God, and holy beings had no conception of its nature and malignity. They could not discern the terrible consequences that would result from setting aside the divine law. Satan had, at first, concealed his work under a specious profession of loyalty to God. He claimed to be seeking to promote the honor of God, the stability of His government, and the good of all the inhabitants of heaven. While instilling discontent into the minds of the angels under him, he had artfully made it appear that he was seeking to remove dissatisfaction. When he urged that changes be made in the order and laws of God's government, it was under the pretense that these were necessary in order to preserve harmony in heaven.

In His dealing with sin, God could employ only righteousness and truth. Satan could use what God could not-- flattery and deceit. He had sought to falsify the word of God and had misrepresented His plan of government before the angels, claiming that God was not just in laying laws and rules upon the inhabitants of heaven; that in requiring submission and obedience from His creatures, He was seeking merely the exaltation of Himself. Therefore it must be demonstrated before the inhabitants of heaven, as well as of all the worlds, that God's government was just, His law perfect. Satan had made it appear that he himself was seeking to promote the good of the universe. The true character of the usurper, and his real object, must be understood by all. He must have time to manifest himself by his wicked works.

The discord which his own course had caused in heaven, Satan charged upon the law and government of God. All evil he declared to be the result of the divine administration. He claimed that it was his own object to improve upon the statutes of Jehovah. Therefore it was necessary that he should demonstrate the nature of his claims, and show the working out of his proposed changes in the divine law. His own work must condemn him. Satan had claimed from the first that he was not in rebellion. The whole universe must see the deceiver unmasked.

Even when it was decided that he could no longer remain in heaven, Infinite Wisdom did not destroy Satan. Since the service of love can alone be acceptable to God, the allegiance of His creatures must rest upon a conviction of His justice and benevolence. The inhabitants of heaven and of other worlds, being unprepared to comprehend the nature or consequences of sin, could not then have seen the justice and mercy of God in the destruction of Satan. Had he been immediately blotted from existence, they would have served God from fear rather than from love. The influence of the deceiver would not have been fully destroyed, nor would the spirit of rebellion have been utterly eradicated. Evil must be permitted to come to maturity. For the good of the entire universe through ceaseless ages Satan must more fully develop his principles, that his charges against the divine government might be seen in their true light by all created beings, that the justice and mercy of God and the immutability of His law might forever be placed beyond all question.

Satan's rebellion was to be a lesson to the universe through all coming ages, a perpetual testimony to the nature and terrible results of sin. The working out of Satan's rule, its effects upon both men and angels, would show what must be the fruit of setting aside the divine authority. It would testify that with the existence of God's government and His law is bound up the well-being of all the creatures He has made. Thus the history of this terrible experiment of rebellion was to be perpetual safeguard to all holy intelligences, to prevent them from being deceived as to the nature of transgression, to save them from committing sin and suffering its punishments.

To the very close of the controversy in heaven the great usurper continued to justify himself. When it was announced that with all his sympathizers he must be expelled from the abodes of bliss, then the rebel leader boldly avowed his contempt for the Creator's law. He reiterated his claim that angels needed no control, but should be left to follow their own will, which would ever guide them right. He denounced the divine statutes as a restriction of their liberty and declared that it was his purpose to secure the abolition of law; that, freed from this restraint, the hosts of heaven might enter upon a more exalted, more glorious state of existence.

With one accord, Satan and his host threw the blame of their rebellion wholly upon Christ, declaring that if they had not been reproved, they would never have rebelled. Thus stubborn and defiant in their disloyalty, seeking vainly to overthrow the government of God, yet blasphemously claiming to be themselves the innocent victims of oppressive power, the archrebel and all his sympathizers were at last banished from heaven.

The same spirit that prompted rebellion in heaven still inspires rebellion on earth. Satan has continued with men the same policy which he pursued with the angels. His spirit now reigns in the children of disobedience. Like him they seek to break down the restraints of the law of God and promise men liberty through transgression of its precepts. Reproof of sin still arouses the spirit of hatred and resistance. When God's messages of warning are brought home to the conscience, Satan leads men to justify themselves and to seek the sympathy of others in their course of sin. Instead of correcting their errors, they excite indignation against the reprover, as if he were the sole cause of difficulty. From the days of righteous Abel to our own time such is the spirit which has been displayed toward those who dare to condemn sin.

By the same misrepresentation of the character of God as he had practiced in heaven, causing Him to be regarded as severe and tyrannical, Satan induced man to sin. And having succeeded thus far, he declared that God's unjust restrictions had led to man's fall, as they had led to his own rebellion.

But the Eternal One Himself proclaims His character: "The Lord God, merciful and gracious, long-suffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty." Exodus 34:6, 7.

In the banishment of Satan from heaven, God declared His justice and maintained the honor of His throne. But when man had sinned through yielding to the deceptions of this apostate spirit, God gave an evidence of His love by yielding up His only-begotten Son to die for the fallen race. In the atonement the character of God is revealed. The mighty argument of the cross demonstrates to the whole universe that the course of sin which Lucifer had chosen was in no wise chargeable upon the government of God.

In the contest between Christ and Satan, during the Saviour's earthly ministry, the character of the great deceiver was unmasked. Nothing could so effectually have uprooted Satan from the affections of the heavenly angels and the whole loyal universe as did his cruel warfare upon the world's Redeemer. The daring blasphemy of his demand that Christ should pay him homage, his presumptuous boldness in bearing Him to the mountain summit and the pinnacle of the temple, the malicious intent betrayed in urging Him to cast Himself down from the dizzy height, the unsleeping malice that hunted Him from place to place, inspiring the hearts of priests and people to reject His love, and at the last to cry, "Crucify Him! crucify Him!--all this excited the amazement and indignation of the universe.

It was Satan that prompted the world's rejection of Christ. The prince of evil exerted all his power and cunning to destroy Jesus; for he saw that the Saviour's mercy and love, His compassion and pitying tenderness, were representing to the world the character of God. Satan contested every claim put forth by the Son of God and employed men as his agents to fill the Saviour's life with suffering and sorrow. The sophistry and falsehood by which he had sought to hinder the work of Jesus, the hatred manifested through the children of disobedience, his cruel accusations against Him whose life was one of unexampled goodness, all sprang from deep-seated revenge. The pent-up fires of envy and malice, hatred and revenge, burst forth on Calvary against the Son of God, while all heaven gazed upon the scene in silent horror.

When the great sacrifice had been consummated, Christ ascended on high, refusing the adoration of angels until He had presented the request: "I will that they also, whom Thou hast given Me, be with Me where I am." John 17:24. Then with inexpressible love and power came forth the answer from the Father's throne: "Let all the angels of God worship Him." Hebrews 1:6. Not a stain rested upon Jesus. His humiliation ended, His sacrifice completed, there was given unto Him a name that is above every name.

Now the guilt of Satan stood forth without excuse. He had revealed his true character as a liar and a murderer. It was seen that the very same spirit with which he ruled the children of men, who were under his power, he would have manifested had he been permitted to control the inhabitants of heaven. He had claimed that the transgression of God's law would bring liberty and exaltation; but it was seen to result in bondage and degradation.

Satan's lying charges against the divine character and government appeared in their true light. He had accused God of seeking merely the exaltation of Himself in requiring submission and obedience from His creatures, and had declared that, while the Creator exacted self-denial from all others, He Himself practiced no self-denial and made no sacrifice. Now it was seen that for the salvation of a fallen and sinful race, the Ruler of the universe had made the greatest sacrifice which love could make; for "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself." 2 Corinthians 5:19. It was seen, also, that while Lucifer had opened the door for the entrance of sin by his desire for honor and supremacy, Christ had, in order to destroy sin, humbled Himself and become obedient unto death.

God had manifested His abhorrence of the principles of rebellion. All heaven saw His justice revealed, both in the condemnation of Satan and in the redemption of man. Lucifer had declared that if the law of God was changeless, and its penalty could not be remitted, every transgressor must be forever debarred from the Creator's favor. He had claimed that the sinful race were placed beyond redemption and were therefore his rightful prey. But the death of Christ was an argument in man's behalf that could not be overthrown. The penalty of the law fell upon Him who was equal with God, and man was free to accept the righteousness of Christ and by a life of penitence and humiliation to triumph, as the Son of God had triumphed, over the power of Satan. Thus God is just and yet the justifier of all who believe in Jesus.

But it was not merely to accomplish the redemption of man that Christ came to the earth to suffer and to die. He came to "magnify the law" and to "make it honorable." Not alone that the inhabitants of this world might regard the law as it should be regarded; but it was to demonstrate to all the worlds of the universe that God's law is unchangeable. Could its claims have been set aside, then the Son of God need not have yielded up His life to atone for its transgression. The death of Christ proves it immutable. And the sacrifice to which infinite love impelled the Father and the Son, that sinners might be redeemed, demonstrates to all the universe--what nothing less than this plan of atonement could have sufficed to do--that justice and mercy are the foundation of the law and government of God.

In the final execution of the judgment it will be seen that no cause for sin exists. When the Judge of all the earth shall demand of Satan, "Why hast thou rebelled against Me, and robbed Me of the subjects of My kingdom?" the originator of evil can render no excuse. Every mouth will be stopped, and all the hosts of rebellion will be speechless.

The cross of Calvary, while it declares the law immutable, proclaims to the universe that the wages of sin is death. In the Saviour's expiring cry, "It is finished," the death knell of Satan was rung. The great controversy which had been so long in progress was then decided, and the final eradication of evil was made certain. The Son of God passed through the portals of the tomb, that "through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil." Hebrews 2:14. Lucifer's desire for self-exaltation had led him to say: "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: . . . I will be like the Most High." God declares: "I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth, . . . and never shalt thou be any more." Isaiah 14:13, 14; Ezekiel 28:18, 19. When "the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven;. . . .all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch." Malachi 4:1.

The whole universe will have become witnesses to the nature and results of sin. And its utter extermination, which in the beginning would have brought fear to angels and dishonor to God, will now vindicate His love and establish His honor before the universe of beings who delight to do His will, and in whose heart is His law. Never will evil again be manifest. Says the word of God: "Affliction shall not rise up the second time." Nahum 1:9. The law of God, which Satan has reproached as the yoke of bondage, will be honored as the law of liberty. A tested and proved creation will never again be turned from allegiance to Him whose character has been fully manifested before them as fathomless love and infinite wisdom.

1/24/2008 01:05:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

IC -- looks like you need to read John Gray's new book: BLACK MASS

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/books/reviews/5266420.html

1/24/2008 01:27:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

What rocks about this new John Gray book is that he emphasizes how apocalyptic politics is really a psychological projection of repressed sexual energy. He's not just rehashing a Marcuse analysis since Gray's perspective is really Taoist.

Again with the barrage of yoga as trendy consumerism people think it's some sort of work out or aerobics.

In fact true meditation is only after the body is so full of electromagnetic fields that it's like deep sleep -- you don't feel the body at all -- except full of light.

Before this happens you can sit in full-lotus at ease, in bliss, for at least two hours straight. Full-lotus is the most direct route but it's just a more intense form of harmonics which can also be practiced as the "small universe" exercise or tai chi standing exercise, etc.

In traditional trance dance when true samadhi is achieved -- for spirit travel -- the person falls back onto their back and has to have their body watched over by other healers (who can see inside other bodies for energy blockages).

The full-lotus prevents this falling over and has the healing harmonics built in to the form - it's the form of the formless -- so that internal blockages experienced internally as spirit travel can be resolved. It's the power of the body that enables spirit travel and what is experienced is a holographic spacetime projection enfolded within the body as well.

1/24/2008 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

In terms of the trinity the closest physical equivalent is the TREE OF ZAQQUM.

The Tree of life is the electrochemical energy. The Tree of Knowledge is the electromagnetic energy.

The Tree of Zaqqum is the apocalypse through separation of the Tree of Life from the Tree of Knowledge.

Full-lotus connects the tree of life to the tree of knowledge so that energy flows freely into the body as yin energy and out of the body as yang energy. That which remains is female formless awareness.

1/24/2008 02:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Pubes In The Bathtub said...

Sure thing, IC. You're about as subtle as Lenin, and as transparent. Eric the Swan does make for a good foil. Truthfully, I think your new blog needs more Zeolite.

1/24/2008 02:14:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Drew,

BLACK MASS it is, then, I guess. Gray might be right about some folks out there, but I'm kind of busy right now, so tell me: is this supposed to be a prescription for my thinking:

"apocalyptic politics is really a psychological projection of repressed sexual energy"

If so, first off, it's neither apocalyptic nor political to consider the consumption (over-grazing by a thoughtless, driven herd) of the earth. The earth's water systems are dying. Talk to someone from India who's not in a lotus position and you'll see: the Ganges is drying up! What is India without the Ganges, holy dude?

Second, not everything is reducible to your sexual energy formula, believe it or not. You know those monks who can boil water with the power of thought or sleep outside on a Himalayan mountainside without blankets?

Do you suppose it's because they're so horny that their "repressed sexual energy is being projected onto their political struggle with the elements?"

Imagine for a moment that you were horribly injured, body mangled, or maybe so ill that you couldn't lotus or spurt your juices over chance pedestrians--would you no longer be truly human, Drew? Not that I'm advocating one, but there is life wthout a penis, I'm reasonably sure.


(Publicly) Pubic Bather,

What need subtlety and such-like affectation & subterfuge when cards can be laid out on the old table, or is it my commie-pinko-power-to-the-people vibe that upsets you? (An incorrect assumption, btw.)

Yes! Zeolite can pick up this and any other messes you might find! Good hunting!

1/24/2008 04:01:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Ok IC apparently you're not taking the subject matter very seriously.

Try this book:

"Neither Wolf, Nor Dog: American Indians, Environment and Agrarian Change" by David Rich Lewis (Oxford University Press, 1994).

And I quote:

"In societies were women farmed, government meddling with this gendered division of labor upset not only functional production but also the power structure of native societies. Forcing hunters and warriors to take on women's economic roles generated internal confusion and opposition as it transformed women's source of power."

p. 174

Work on it that internal confusion a little more.

1/24/2008 04:13:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

On the lighter side IC -- here's a video for you:

http://dailygrail.com/node/5827

1/24/2008 04:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Bamshad said...

To Great Galactic Ghoul, with apologies to those whose space I am taking: I picked up both "Reign of Quantity" and "Taoist Yoga," and am nearly half done with the first. I must admit... I read almost every page with the trembling wonder that I would normally associate with the reading of fantasy -- how ironic that the wonder of fantasy dispelled is itself so fantastic!

Anyway, between these books and your many posts (most of them, anyway) I feel I am being drawn to the understanding of something very subtle and very meaningful. The consensus here seems to be that you are insane, or at least an asshole, and that to credit your posts as truthful would be delusional, but I find them instructive anyway. So thanks.

Thank you too, Jeff, for the space you share with us.

1/24/2008 06:40:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

What subject matter G? Your full Lotus microcosmic orbit bit G? Yes G, you have made your point. As it happens G, I know a bit about the truth of what you say, from studies long ago. Still your total refusal to engage with others in any way outside of your validating your obsessional techniques tells me that while you may be quite smart, you are also quite shallow.

And this proves one of my basic propositions; Intelligence is no cure for stupidity.

1/24/2008 06:56:00 PM  
Blogger Belliosto said...

The Nile River's death is simply an expression of repressed sexual energy. The error of social consensus is clear. Never heard of before world government leadership is factually an individual human dust speck in the Milky Way galaxy's need for sexual pleasure. I do not believe any of this either. Apocalyptic politics is not just limited to the possibility of repressed sexuality. I'm sure most women do not buy into this as well. Either you care about these realities or you do not. If you don't care then it is clear to the ones that do care about this kind of end. Arrogant, dysfunctional, and insecure attitudes that lead to loveless sex has been around for thousands of years.

GGG Can you explain to us the women's influence on the United States as introducing the 19th Amendment to the government on the federal level? They were well rewarded for their work.

1/24/2008 07:54:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Yeah Taoist Yoga is really a work. There's tons of esoteric terms that have to be cross-referenced and psychologically the work is intense. It's a practice book --- I got to the "immortal breathing" chapter which is about chapter 10. Of course I had the help of energy transmissions from qigong master Chunyi Lin.

After studying "Taoist Yoga" then Gurdjieff's system conveyed in Ouspensky's "In Search of the Miraculous" will make sense, otherwise it's too easy for Ouspensky's book to be westernized. "In Search of the Miraculous" is really awesome though, as long as you tear out the long Ouspenksy quotes. "Just Remember -- time is breath." haha Gurdjieff gave a great joke on Ouspensky and Ouspensky, to his credit, reprinted it without even realizing the joke.

Then if you make it through "In Search of the Miraculous" the books by Master Nan, Huai-chin are really rare reads. I had to read each of his books three times each just to get the basic teaching. I also really enjoyed George Crane's "Bones of the Master" on Ch'an Monk Tsung Tsai. That book is very much like "In Search of the Miraculous" in the sense that Tsai is teaching truly profound messages, best understood in "Taoist Yoga," yet Crane repeats the message (like Ouspensky) without understanding it himself. This makes for a wonderful format (especially since it's a travel book to "secret Mongolia) and it's amazing how Tsai Tsung basically used Crane to get a deeper message out without anyone even realizing it. Unfortunately most readers would not understand Tsung Tsai unless they studied "Taoist Yoga" or a similar detailed analysis of the esoteric practice (like Master Nan, Huai-chin).

1/24/2008 08:00:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

As for the 19th Amendment -- I recommend this book, "Gaveling Down the Rabble" by Jane Anne Morris. It will be available in Mid-March but pre-orders are welcome (I sent in my debit card number already).

http://www.cipa-apex.org/books/gaveling_down_the_rabble/

1/24/2008 08:04:00 PM  
Blogger Belliosto said...

I'm sorry the 18th and 19th Amendments. Prohibition before suffrage.

1/24/2008 08:18:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Gallo’s Cryptozoology show was entertaining all right, but if you were suggesting that he had caught my essence with his shape-shifting cuttlefish, I’d have to say that our favorite dialectical fractalist Rudy (Hegel’s great, great [a couple times anyway]) grandson captured it better, since Gallo’s shape-shifters only managed to disappear by fitting in so well, something I’ve never been very good at (obviously).

Rudy actually has these mysterious iridescent cuttlefishes as accidental dimension-portal agents in his latest, Post-Singular (which isn’t really about the Singularity as it’s been so relentlessly blathered about by the technologists and the Mayanetti like Pinchbeck & Co.) It’s another great and funny book and I’m glad to have lent my identity to such an escapade…but back to the serious side of things.

That business about the old gender roles in matriarchal societies is true, but what to do about it? How, for example, does it help our friend surrender and all those long-suffering Haitians? I can imagine some sort of resacralization along the lines suggested by Abraham, McKenna & Sheldrake in their (in)famous Trialogues at the Edge of the West: Chaos, Creativity, and the Resacralization of the World (yeah, I know, Esalen/CIA and all that--it doesn’t matter, ‘cuz the CIA can’t co-opt entheogentica simply by attempting to market polluted hallucinations to inner-city kids), but you need to make Haiti livable again in order to grow a new society or revive an ancient one.

My point all along has been that there need be no separation between the material and the spiritual—can’t you imagine how high you can get at a good barnraising, what vision quests you might be afforded when you’re flying that astral plane of yours with a bunch of other heads? Read surrender’s accounts of her life there planting trees (I wish she would collect them all)—she is seeing God and doing his work at the same time, just like our anonymous preacher described it:

The law of love being the foundation of the government of God, the happiness of all created beings depended upon their perfect accord with its great principles of righteousness. God desires from all His creatures the service of love--homage that springs from an intelligent appreciation of His character. He takes no pleasure in a forced allegiance, and to all He grants freedom of will, that they may render Him voluntary service.

And since God is Love, we don't need to get all sectarian about whose God we're positing here.

Amen.

1/24/2008 09:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

god is love and love is fleeting

brother ben

1/24/2008 09:21:00 PM  
Anonymous love said...

once defined and labeled, i cease to be. this message is brought to by the vacuum created by love's former presence.

1/24/2008 09:28:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Well IC I realize that my new book "When the Mothership Lands" made you physically nauseous or something but I refer to the quantum chaos scientists like Ralph Abraham in detail as part of the Actual Matrix Plan:

The actual Matrix plan has recently resurfaced, indirectly, in such technospiritual books as John Casti’s One True Platonic Heaven (2003) and George Johnson’s Fire in the Mind (1996) — both science writers are in Santa Fe and work with the top military-science quantum chaos think tanks: Los Alamos, Santa Fe Institute and Sandia Labs. Professor Ralph Abraham is another quantum chaos mathematician who has promoted the techno-spirituality of machines. Abraham emphasizes that the early pivotal scientist Kepler transferred Pythagorean harmonics of the Soul into magnitude as Force. Just as Kepler, Newton and Galileo relied on Pythagorean harmonics, so too is all of science unified by music as a model. Several analysts advocate using music to provide the formal language of science: Nobel physicist Brian Josephson, Professor Arnold Pacey, Dr. Howard Bloom, NY Times science writer Edward Rothstein, and quantum chaos Professor Alain Connes, among others.

Again contrary to your claim that NeoPythagoreanism is valid, my blogbook details exactly why logarithmic-based science (secretly relying on a twisted sister of music), including quantum chaos, is inherently destructive of ecology.

Now back to my "Kenya and Tanzania: Witchcraft and Ritual Music" c.d.

1/24/2008 10:24:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Banshad said to G...

“The consensus here seems to be that you are insane, or at least an asshole, and that to credit your posts as truthful would be delusional, but I find them instructive anyway.”

Banshad, it is not at all delusional to credit the truth within G’s posts. But the usefulness of truth is determined by how widely it can be applied. Because Drew’s truth seems limited to his obsession, with no attempt to apply his intelligence outside of that obsession, he comes across as a social retard with no respect for other human beings. Not a good recommendation for the embracing of his total program. Oh, and good luck trying to get this marvelously smart person to engage with you, human to human.

1/25/2008 04:28:00 AM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

But the usefulness of truth is determined by how widely it can be applied.

Yes invoking Jeremy Bentham may seem quaint but I prefer the Ranters -- the "enemy within."

1/25/2008 04:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reading the comments is like listening to an episode of Frasier, and just as useful when applied to reality. Fortunately, they canceled that show.

1/25/2008 05:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jan/21/climatechange.energy

1/25/2008 07:08:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Well Drew, not having eaten the library, with its attendant indigestion, I have no idea what you are talking about.

1/25/2008 08:01:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Engdahl's book "Seeds of Destruction" might be a start into understading the Haitiation of the Americas. The first GMO experiment went down in Argentina but the full Monty is expressed in the soybean plantations in Paraguay. There is no cover. No place to run and no place to hide.

I think you can see the Haiti accidental fascist state that follows the Total Information machine-head eye in the middle of a state bounded on all sides by an ocean.

There is a way through it. Don't buy into the program. Throw your money and the materialism that goes with it, out.

The second thing you need, to thwart the all seeing eye' the total information awareness, is to invent your own language. Study nature, study the heavens and between hither and yon, is a language only the birds can understand.

1/25/2008 09:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey fukface!

update your website already!

1/25/2008 09:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Derek said...

Drew,

I'd like to ask you a few questions about your practice in a less public forum, but I can't seem to find an e-mail address for you. Could you please drop me an e-mail at derek@crashgordonbooks.com?

Thanks,
Derek

1/25/2008 09:46:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

But the usefulness of truth is determined by how widely it can be applied.

Now we're getting somewhere. Drew, are you listening? I have to admit that talking to you is, or can be, a very frustrating experience, not because you prattle on with the esoterica of your belief system (we know how to scroll), but because you're unwilling to step outside of your framework long enough to consider anyone else's perspective.

Instead, you latch onto one bit of your "opponent's" memeography and then run back to your lab/hut/guru love shack, find where the person who was mentioned in the little piece you tore off said something else that you find unacceptable, and then you come back and say, "No, that can't be right because that guy once wrote something that conflicts with my (correct) view of the universe."

It doesn't matter that Abraham worships technology or ignores Kosher dietary laws or has a brother-in-law in the NSA, just lke it doesn't matter that Sheldrake ultimately fails to identify the mechanism whereby the Cosmic Mind generates form onto your formless awareness(es): you can't just throw out or ignore or discredit an idea because of another unrelated idea.

I really don't want to debate you, at least not in this forum. There is an idea floating around for a potentially amusing situation we could find ourselves in--you do [still] have your Midwestern sense of humor somewhere under your robes, so give it some thought when that little ship lands on your pad [make that Mothership move over for a while: it's been hogging enough of your mind.])

You're a very bright guy with an excellent grasp of the mechanics of harmonics--why not put it to some use? As you say, "...the usefulness of truth is determined by how widely it can be applied." Can we leave Lotus Land for just a moment and consider an application outside your usual sphere? (Please?)

Let's take Haiti, as long as been dragged into the conversation (yeah, I know, I'm the one who did the dragging, but that was incidental and shouldn't automatically disqualify it. So here's the "test": We all know the terrible shape that Haiti is in. Near complete environmental degradation--the forest is gone (aside from a few "protected" areas and the new forests being planted by surrender's group.)

Following from that devastation, the people of Haiti have no renewable resource base to supply their material needs (shelter, water, food, fuel, etc). Add to that the lack of a system of governance (unless you want to count the puppet regimes & the attempts at self governance sabotaged by American foreign policy & covert operations), widespread violence, endemic/epidemic disease and a deep-rooted sense of hopelessness engendered by centuries of the most brutal slavery, imperialism and generally being shat upon by the Great Powers. And this is the short list.

So, what I'm suggesting is that we (or, better yet, they) could make use of a certain kind of knowledge, an understanding of the dynamic systems that occur in Nature to restore Haiti's savagely destroyed ecosystems, build very simple and yet very strong and completely energy & water self-sufficient shelters and communites. In the process of rebuilding & replanting their world, it might just be possible that their societal organization might also be forged anew, perhaps even along the lines you've described as obtaining in the world before the empires of the Matrix killed, buried and hid them.

Now, this understanding of the patterns of Nature is indeed Pythagorean--the root of all evil in your book, Drew. And yet, these patterns in Nature existed for millions of years before your secret brotherhood emerged. Before humans emerged. So, tell us, Drew, how this business of studying, comprehending and copying Nature--using very basic technology that is scarcely more sophisticated than that used by your matriarchal, pre-Matrix cultures, in fact, not so much technology as design, as in curvilinear, earth-bermed houses--will lead to wrack & ruin?

Before you answer (assuming, hopefully, that you're even willing to engage in this little thought experiment), consider the fact that you are using a technology far deeper in the bowels of your Matrix to communicate with us. Further, that this discourse is being conducted almost exclusively by our left-brains, using phonetic language...all the things which block your formless female awareness.

My point is that these things are not in themselves inherently evil. Sure, they might preclude an intuited, directly absorbed understanding of and connection with the Cosmic Mind (or whatever label you most like). And yes, the sort of intentionally engineered imbalance of the hemispheres has brought us to the desperate, unrooted state in which we find ourselves, but intuition isn't going to heal a stream, is it?

1/25/2008 01:50:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

If one understands that The God you are referring to is the CREATOR OF ALL THAT EXISTS, then God exists in the “notion” of what is called sin. If God is Unconditional Love, “sin” as we are “taught” in religion, or what we call sin or evil, also exists in Unconditional LOVE. In the continuing battle between good and evil there is no winner. Good and evil exists as a creation of God, therefore it is our relationship to good and evil that we must transform in our consciousness…..

As long as we continue to refer to God as HE, a punisher of sin, an entity that judges and condemns some to HELL, we will never understand the meaning of Unconditional LOVE or the purpose of our existence.

Anonymous: We will never be connected or understand our relationship to the Creator as long as the MYTH of the origin of Evil is believed and this character Lucifer is something to be feared and reviled…. LOVE your demons!!!!


IC:

I am so moved by your articulate attention on Haiti, the country where I have lived for almost eighteen years. I am only one person who realized many years ago that the purpose of my life was to Honor, Nurture and Care for Mother Earth. I will not try to explain my calling to be here, but everything I have given of myself to the care and cultivation of the Earth has brought unbelievable and unexplainable rewards to my life and the lives of those I touch.

The fact that someone whom I have never met has really understood the significance of this ravaged country and how the regeneration of the spirit and the environment are possible, makes all the things I have “given up” that all of you who visit here still enjoy, worth living without and empowers me to continue.

Thank you for contributing your vision of how it “could be” and believe me, you are a creating a way of living that WILL manifest in the world.

PS. I will continue to discuss more possibilities on you blog and thank you for your deep understanding of the country and its people.

PS PS: Sometimes I wonder what a person like three G’s would experience if he visited Haiti. Humility comes to mind…..

I hope this won’t embarrass you but I am moved to tell you how much I love who you are……….

1/25/2008 05:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anything But Secret

In the early 1500s, the Aztec empire was one of the most powerful and sophisticated civilizations in the western hemisphere. However, within one year's time this mighty nation of over two million people was conquered and enslaved by just 600 hundred men. How did it happen
The Aztecs had a prophecy about Quetzalcoatl (kèt-säl´ko-ä-tal), a legendary feathered god-king who was light skinned and bearded. It predicted that he would return to Mexico from across the sea and that he would come in the clouds from the east to save them.
Well, in 1519 Spanish galleons arrived in Mexico carrying a group of conquistadors led by Hernando Cortez. When the Aztecs saw these ships, they thought their billowing sails looked like clouds. Cortez heard about the Aztec legend from some Indians who lived on the shore and decided to use it to his advantage. By assuming the mantle of deity,he hoped to befuddle superstitious King Montezuma II.
While the king was waiting to receive the light-skinned visitor with honor, Cortez marched his army right into the center of the Aztec capital. By the time the people realized that Cortez was not the savior they were expecting, it was too late.
The conquistadors proceeded to plunder, enslave, and kill the Aztec people. An entire nation was deceived and destroyed-in part because the prophecies of their god's return were so ambiguous that almost anyone could have served as a counterfeit.
In the near future, Satan will attempt to personate Jesus and counterfeit His return to earth. But God's people need not be deceived. When the disciples asked Jesus for the sign of His coming and the end of the world, the very first thing He told them was to be on guard against impostors. He said, "Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." (Matthew 24:4-5).
Christ then proceeded to give His followers a wealth of information about His second coming so there would be no doubt as to how He would return. Jesus not only wants us to know that He is coming and that He's coming soon; He wants us to understand the manner of His coming.
The reason this is so important is that Satan will soon attempt to personate Jesus and counterfeit His return. And to pave the way, Satan has introduced a strong delusion to the Christian world that has been almost universally accepted in mainline churches. I am referring to the popular teaching regarding a "secret rapture."
The secret rapture theory was designed to lull God's people into a false sense of security and to prepare them for this final master deception.
The devil knows that Jesus is coming back and that his remaining time is short (Revelation 12:12). He has been sharpening his skills of deception for 6,000 years, and his last masquerade will be his masterpiece.
In fact, God warned that Satan will do such a convincing job that, if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived. Jesus said to His disciples, "Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall decieve the very elect" (Matthew 24:23-24).
Satan is not an ugly, grotesque, bat-winged creature wearing a red leotard. He's an angel-a beautiful, powerful angel. And the Bible makes it clear that he is able to transform himself and appear in different forms. "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light: (2 Corinthians 11:13-14). We must not underestimate how convincing and overpowering Satan's final deception will be. I'm sure he will even quote Scripture, as he did while tempting Christ in the wilderness (Matthew 4:1-6).
The devil also has the ability to create the illusion of miracles. You will remember that when Moses went in before Pharaoh to plead for the children of Israel, the magicians of Egypt were able to duplicate the first few signs from God (Exodus Chapters 7-8). Satan is in the business of deception, and we know that he is saving his greatest deception of all for the last days. We need to know how Jesus is coming, or we will be deceived.
The Bible is very clear that when Jesus comes back, His feet never touch the ground. It says the righteous will be caught up to meet Him in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). This is why Jesus emphatically warns us, "Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!'do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be" (Matthew 24:26-27,NKJV).
Satan cannot replicate a worldwide, cataclysmic event the magnitude of the real second coming. However, if he can seduce Christians into believing the secret rapture theory, he won't need to. He can simply show up around the world in various places, perform great miracles, make TV appearances, and thereby deceive the entire world.
Every general knows that the key to victory in battle is to maintain an element of surprise. Many battles have been won because of a clever diversionary tactic. While one army was distracted and looking at the diversion, the enemy came up from behind to conquer them. In the devil's final assault, he will do the same thing. The archdeceiver has always wanted to be God. Now he knows that he is doomed, but his last taunting gesture against heaven will be to personate Jesus and receive the worship of a lost world.
Satan's deceptions will be strong and convincing, but Christ has given us ample information in order to help us discern truth from error.

Not a Secret
Will there be a rapture Yes. Will it be a secret NO!
Rapture means "to be carried away with power," and it is true that when Jesus comes the living righteous will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). But many have come to believe that this rapture will take place quietly-that faithful Christians all around the world will suddenly disappear and that life here on earth will continue for a seven-year period of tribulation. During this time, they say, many will be converted and have a "second chance" at salvation before Christ's final coming.
Although the secret rapture scenario may appear comforting at first glance, there is absolutely no scriptural support for it. The Bible plainly teaches that when Jesus comes again, every one of our senses will be bombarded with evidence!

His Coming Will Be Literal
"And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." (Acts 1:9-11).
Heaven-sent messengers told the disciples that Jesus would return to this earth in the same manner He left. Christ left in the clouds, and He will come back in the clouds. He was visible when He left, and He will be visible when He comes again. He had a real body when He left, and He will return the same way.

His Coming Will Be Visible
"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him." (Revelation 1:7).
"For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." (Matthew 24:27).
"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." (Matthew 24:30).
When Christ comes, it will not be merely a local sighting or an isolated event. It will be visible across the entire world. His Coming Will Be Audible
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." (1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17).
"The Lord shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout." (Jeremiah 25:30).
"Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him." (Psalm 50:3).
As you can see from the preceeding Scriptures, Christ's second coming will be loud! There will be shouts and trumpets and all kinds of noise. No one will accidentally miss it or be able to read about it in the newspaper the next day.

His Coming Will Be Emotional
"Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory." (Luke 21:26, 27).
"And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the Lord; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation." (Isaiah 25:9).
When Christ returns, it will be an emotional day for the wicked and righteous alike. The lost will experience indescribable fear and anguish, while the saved will experience the perfect joy of eternal salvation.

His Coming Will Open the Graves
"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." (John 6:40).
"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." (1 Corinthians 15:22, 23).
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." (1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17).
This is the Bible's description of the rapture. The dead in Christ will rise by His power and will meet Him in the air. Afterward the faithful who are still alive will also be caught up. It will not be a secret!

His Coming Will Destroy the Earth
"The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again." (Isaiah 24:19, 20).
"And the heaven [sky] departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places." (Revelation 6:14).
"And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found." (Revelation 16:18-20).
This world will be uninhabitable by people after Christ comes. His coming will shake the very foundations of the earth.

His Coming Will Mean Final Judgment
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works." (Matthew 16:27).
"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." (Revelation 22:12).
It is at Christ's return that we will receive our final reward. Each person's decision will have already been made; there will be no second chance to convert. The time to make a decision to follow Christ is now!

Basis for Confusion
With so much evidence in the Bible as to the manner of Christ's coming, how did people get the idea that the rapture will be a secret event
As with most deceptions, the secret rapture theory is based on a few texts which have been taken out of context. There are two main concepts in Scripture that have been used to substantiate a "secret" rapture.
The primary one is that Jesus will come as "a thief in the night." The secret rapture theory as- sumes this means that Christ will come secretly to steal away the righteous and carry them quietly to heaven.
Christ's coming is described as "a thief" several times throughout the New Testament. Let's look at one of these passages and see if it describes a secret rapture. "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." (2 Peter 3:10). That doesn't sound like a secret event, does it
In describing His return as a thief, Christ did not intend to show that it would be quiet, but that it would be sudden and unexpected-that the wicked would be taken by surprise. He said, "If the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not." (Luke 12:39, 40). Likewise, Paul told the Christians in Thessalonica, "But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief." (1 Thessalonians 5:4). God does not want His followers to be surprised. He wants us to be watchful and ready.
To further illustrate this truth, Jesus said,"No one can enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man. And then he will plunder his house" (Mark 3:27, NKJV).
Can you picture a homeowner being oblivious to a robbery if the thief just broke into the man's house, tied him up and threw him in a closet, and then ransacked the place while searching for valuables Of course not!
In the same way, the day and hour of the second coming is a secret, but when the glorious event transpires, all will know!
The second concept used to support a "secret" coming is found in Luke 17:34-36: "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."
Secret rapture proponents say this passage proves that the saints will suddenly disappear from the earth when Jesus returns. But let's take an honest look at the evidence and see what these verses actually teach.
In Luke 17:34-36, Jesus employs some of His favorite symbols to illustrate a simple point. At the end of time, there will be just two groups of people living upon the earth-the lost and the saved.

"Two men in one bed." A bed generally connotes sleep, and Jesus used sleep as a symbol of death. He said to the disciples, "Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep." "Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead." (John 11:11, 14). In the resurrection at the last day, there will be two kinds of people sleeping in the grave-the lost and the saved.

"Two women grinding together." In Bible prophecy, a woman is a symbol of a church (Jeremiah 6:2). Grinding grain represents working with the Word of God. When Christ comes in glory, there will be two kinds of churches-the false and the true. Both will be outwardly doing the same thing, but only one will be redeemed.

"Two men in the field." The field represents the world (Matthew 13:38). When Jesus comes again, there will be two kinds of missionaries laboring out in the field-the false and the true. This is why He said, "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils and in thy name done many wonderful works And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matthew 7:22, 23).

Not Left Behind
Another common misconception contained in the secret rapture theory is that people will continue to live here on earth for several years after Christ's return. However, the Bible clearly teaches that when Jesus comes next, there will be no one left alive on this planet.
For example, in his prophecy about the end of the age, Jeremiah wrote:"I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger: (Jeremiah 4:23-26, emphasis added).
In another place he declared,"And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: They shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground: (Jeremiah 25:33)
The prophet Isaiah describes the same dismal conditions in his prophecy of the state of the earth following the second coming. "Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth aboad the inhabitants thereof." "The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled:for the Lord hath spoken this word: (Isaiah 24:1,3, emphasis added).
Last but not least, consider the following passage of Scripture:"And as it was in the days of Noe [Greek for 'Noah'], so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed:" (Luke 17:26-30, emphasis added).
Notice that the wicked were detroyed on the same day that the Flood came to Noah and on the same day that the fire came to Sodom. Jesus emphasizes at both the beginning and the end of this passage that these earlier judgments, which destroyed all of the wicked, were examples of what would happen at His second coming. The Bible is crystal clear that life on earth does not continue for either man or beast after Jesus comes.

Through the Tribulation With Christ
The idea that the righteous will all be raptured out of the world just before the time of trouble and that only the wicked will be left behind to endure seven years of tribulation can be very appealing. Perhaps that is why this doctrine has gained such widestred acceptance. But the Bible clearly teaches otherwise.
The phrase "seven years of tribulation" does not appear anywhere in Scripture. However, Jesus did say that a terrible time of trouble would come upon the world just before His return and that it would be more intense than any other in the history of this world. In His great prophetic discourse on the Mount of Olives, Jesus made the following statement: "For then shall be great tribulation,such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect"s sake those days shall be shortened: (Matthew 24:21-22).
If the elect were not in the world during the great tribulation, they would not need the days to be shortened!
All throughout Scripture we see examples of the Lord saving His people though tribulation, not from it.
Noah was not saved from the Flood, but through it.
Daniel was not saved from the lions' den, but through it.
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were not were not saved from the fiery furnace, but through it. In fact, Jesus went through it with them, and He will go through the great tribulation with us, as well!
The children of Israel were not saved from Egypt before the plagues fell, but afterward. God demonstrated His love and power by preserving them in Egypt through the 10 plagues. In the same way, the righteous will be in the world when the seven last plagues fall (revelation chapter 16), but God will preserve them.
God never promises that our lives will always be easy. Christ prayed to His Father for His disciples, "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil [one]" (John 17:15). Likewise, in 2 Timothy 3:12 Paul states, "All that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." Paul also told a group of disciples that "We must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God" (Acts 14:22).
In His parable of the two home builders, Jesus taught that the storm comes to the wise man who builds on the rock just as surely as it comes to the fool who builds upon the sand (Matthew 7:24-27). The storm will come to all.
The good news is that God's children will survive the coming tribulation. They will endure by practicing some of the same survival skills used by the Great Basin bristlecone pine. Believed to be one of the oldest living trees on the planet, it can live more than 4,000 years. Found on lonely mountaintops, some of these ancient evergreens have weathered thousands of years of intense freezing wind, pounding rain, scorching sun, and violent electrical storms.
How do they manage to survive such harsh, adverse conditions They send their roots deep, wrap them tenaciously around a solid rock, and hang on.
In the same way, the saints will have to sink their roots of faith deep into the Word of God and cling tenaciously to the mighty Rock of Ages.
Remember that even though God does not always provide an escape from tribulation, He does promise to give us the power and strength to get through it. "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me" (Philippians 4:13)

Times of Trouble
As we discuss the great tribulation to take place just before Jesus returns, keep in mind that there have been several other "times of trouble" for God's people in the past.
For example, the children of Israel endured 400 years of tribulation just before the Exodus (Acts 7:6). The early Christians also passed through a time of trouble immediately after the stoning of Stephen (Acts 8:1). From A.D. 303-313,during the era represented by the Smyrna church (Revelation 2:10), God's people suffered a 10-year period of tribulation. But perhaps the most notable time of trouble was the 1,260 years of intense persecution waged against true Christians during the Dark Ages. "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days." "And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child" (Revelation 12: 6,13).
As dark as each of these times was for God's people none will compare with the final, great tribulation that is yet to take place. The great tribulation corresponds with the time during which the seven last plagues of Revelation chapter 16 will "fall. "And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God" (Revelation 15:1).
God's wrath will be directed against the ones who disobey His law, distort His truth, and oppress His people. "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness " (Romans 1:18).
The great tribulation also coincides with the Battle of Armageddon. Both take place immediately before Christ's second coming. "And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done:(Revelation 16:16-17).
It is my belief that the great time of trouble will last only a month or two. Here are a few Scriptures that indicate it will be a short period of time.
Revelation 18:8 tells us, "Therefore shall her plagues come in one day." A "day" in Bible prophecy represents one literal year (Ezekiel 4:6;Numbers 14:34;Luke 13:32). So when Revelation says that "her plagues come in one day," it means within, or less than, one year's time.
Furthermore, the very nature of the seven last plagues-the rivers and seas turning to blood and the planet being scorched with great heat- would render it impossible for the human race to survive more than a month or two. This is why Jesus said, "And unless those days were shorened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened" (Matthew 24:22, NKJV).


Just Before the Plagues
Since the experience of the children of Israel just before the plagues fell on Egypt is a type, or symbol, of what will happen to God's people before the seven last plagues described in Revelation chapter 16, let's examine that story more closely.
After 400 years of slavery, the Israelites had become influenced by the religion of Egypt and had lost sight of God's law. So before Moses and Aaron met with the Pharaoh, they first met with the leaders of Israel to encourage a revival of commitment to God's law-including the Sabbath of creation (Exodus 4:29-31). The people responded wholeheartedly, which is why the Pharaoh got angry and said to Moses and Aaron, "You make them rest from their labor!" (Exodus 5:5, NKJV). Remember that the children of Israel knew the Sabbath was part of God's law before they ever came to Mount Sinai (Exodus 16:22-28).
Likewise, before the onset of the great tribulation, special attention will once again be called to the subject of worship and the Sabbath commandment. In Revelation 14:7, an angel calls God's people to "worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." The angel is clearly quoting from the Sabbath commandment, which says, "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day" (Exodus 20:11).
A widespread rediscovery of the law of God, including the Sabbath truth, will be the alarm that wakes the dragon to fury. The devil hates the Sabbath because he knows that all love relationships are built upon time. If he can destroy the day that was set apart for God's people to spend quality time with their Creator, he can destroy the relationship. We see this happen over and over again between husbands and wives or between fathers and sons. If two people stop spending quality time together, soon the relationship will fall apart.
When the children of Israel responded to God's call to keep the seventh-day Sabbath holy, the Pharaoh became furious. He knew that as long as the people focused only on work, work, work, they would have no time to think about freedom. The devil is using the very same strategy today. His goal is to keep people so busy with work and so preoccupied with the cares of this life that they have no time to worship their Creator. He knows that if he can cause people to neglect the Sabbath rest, they will never have time to think seriously of salvation.
Looking down through history to the end of time, the Lord knew that His faithful people would keep the Sabbath of the fourth commandment. That is why, in connection with the tribulation, Jesus advises His followers to "pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day" (Matthew 24:20).
Another way in which this small time of trouble will resemble the period of time just before the plagues fell on Egypt is that God's people will be called upon to endure a period of bitter hardship. In Moses' day, the angry Pharaoh tried to turn the hearts of his Israelite slaves against their God by forcing them to produce the usual quota of bricks without providing the necessary straw.
In the same way, before the tribulation the government will use political and economic sanctions to pressure God's end-time people into re- ceiving the mark of the beast. During this time the saints will be called upon to share their faith in the face of stiff social, political, and religious opposition. "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name" (Revelation 13:17).
When this fails to deter the people of God from obedience, there will be a final death decree. The Bible says, " And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed" (Revelation 13:15). At this time, the great tribulation begins and the seven last plagues start to fall.
The time of trouble begins with the wrath of the devil against God's obedient children (Revelation 12:17) and ends with the wrath of God against the ones who obey the beast (Revelation 14:9-10).

No Second Chance
The main reason this last period of time will be so intense is because it will come after probation closes for the lost. God gave the very first prophecy about it to His servant Daniel, who wrote, "At that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book" (Daniel 12:1). Notice that when the great tribulation begins, the cases of all people will have been forever decided.
The door of salvation and grace will close for the world-just as the door on the ark closed seven days before the Flood began. At that time Jesus will declare, "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give to every man according as his work shall be" (Revelation 22:11-12).
For the first time in the world's history, God's Spirit will be completely withdrawn from the lost. The unsaved will be given wholly over to demonic control. The saved will be forever sealed and the lost forever lost. No more changing teams!

God on Trial
If no one is converted by the plagues, then why does the Lord allow them
For thousands of years God's Spirit has worked in the hearts of men. But He has warned that this would not always be so (Genesis 6:3). Satan must have an opportunity to demonstrate what a world that is completely under his power would be like. And so God will finally allow the winds of strife to blow unhindered-but not before His servants are sealed (Revelation 7:1-3).
The great tribulation will prove to the universe that nothing-not even the worst conditions in the history of the world-would change the characters of those still alive upon the earth. God's people will trust Him no matter what, and His enemies will rebel agaist Him no matter what.
Sometimes adversity brings a lost soul to repentance, but as the seven last plagues are being poured out, the wicked will reveal that there are no longer any redeemable threads in their fabric. The following three verses prove this point:
"The fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues; and they repented not to give him glory" (Revelation 16:8-9).
"They blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and did not repent of their deeds" (Revelation 16:11, NKJV).
"Men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great" (Revelation 16:21).

No Need to Fear
Perhaps your picture of the great tribulation has always resembled this terrifying recipe:
"Pour the entire contents of Armageddon into a pressure cooker, then slowly mix in the seven last plagues with one full bottle of Jacob's trouble and one whole crushed Babylon. Next, evenly stir in two full boxes of wrath-one from God and one from Satan. Cover securely and cook on high."
We all seem to conjure up frightening images when we think of the coming tribulation. Do yourself a favor; try this instead. Picture Jesus in a fragile little boat on a dark sea, with the waves mounting and wind roaring. Mark 4:38-40 records the scene: "He was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake him, and say unto him, Master, carest thou not that we perish And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm."
Then Christ said to them, "Why are ye so fearful how is it that ye have no faith" Jesus rested with the peace of a baby because He lived by faith in His heavenly Father. One message He delivered repeatedly throughout His ministry was "Fear not."
In John 16:33, Jesus said, "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."
God does not want us to live by fear, but rather by faith. "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love" (1 John 4:18).
During the world's darkest hour and greatest trial, God will supply the greatest peace and faith. We need only to remember that Jesus is in the boat with us. Though the furnace be heated seven times over, we can pass safely through it if Jesus is at our side.
The ninety-first Psalm contains special promises for those living during the last great tribulation. It says, "You shall not be afraid of the terror by night, Nor of the arrow that flies by day, Nor of the pestilence that walks in darkness, Nor of the destruction that lays waste at noonday. A thousand may fall at your side, And ten thousand at your right hand; But it shall not come near you. Only with your eyes shall you look, And see the reward of the wicked" (Psalm 91:5-8, NKJV).
The Psalmist makes it clear we will be in the midst of the world during the plagues, yet remain untouched, if God is our refuge. "No evil shall befall you, Nor shall any plague come near your dwelling" (Psalm 91:10, NKJV).

Rescue From the Skies
On Friday, June 2, 1995, Captain Scott O'Grady was flying his F-16 over Bosnia when the jet was cut in two by Serbian anti-aircraft fire. He quickly ejected and parachuted to the ground. Suddenly he found himself in a different, hostile world with the entire Serbian army combing every inch of ground in search of him.
For six days he prayed, often hiding with his face in the dirt to avoid being seen by enemy soldiers passing within a few feet. For six long days he survived-cold, wet, tired, hungry, eating bugs and drinking dirty water, calling every night on his little radio for help from above, running from enemies, and hiding under bushes.
Then came a daring rescue from the skies. Forty airships, hundreds of soldiers, satellites, and the combined technology of all NATO were all engaged to rescue one hunted soldier.
Will God do less for His people
When Captain Scott O'Grady returned to the United States, he was hailed as a hero. Why Because he had come out of great tribulation. We too may have to endure a brief time of trouble, but it will fade into insignificance when compared with the glorious moment when Jesus comes crashing through the skies with His angelic armies to rescue His children.
"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us" (Romans 8:18).

1/25/2008 10:49:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Just a repost on a RI theme. Hard to trace 'confirmation' of the pedophile connection, why he was recalled, though it comes not after the overt scandal that people and the Thai mainstream media talk about (his arranging an illegal meeting with American tobacco/alcohol corporations with Thai Gov't officials--when Thailand has a strict policy against such advertising), and it occurred instead months afterward. And it led to his immediate retirement as well.


This is the hard to document bit:

Akha: US Ambassador to Thailand Sex Scandal

author: Matthew McDaniel
akhalife@gmail.com

This is a breaking story with documentation popping up and being deleted off the internet. We continue to watch this story as it confirms our suspicions about what is going on in Thailand and the cozy relationship between agencies and certain missions in Thailand that have wide blessing of the US Embassy but are busy removing Akha children.

Ralph L. Boyce recently stepped down as US Ambassador to Thailand (dec. 2007) and it is stated that he was implicated in a sex paedophile ring in Thailand that included up to the CIA people in that country.

Here are links where the story can be found among other places:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_L._Boyce Check archive of changes [because it was deleted several days ago there]
http://thailandjumpedtheshark.blogspot.com/2008/01/chiang-mai-mail-is-ralph-boyce-national.html
[doesn't really mention the pedophile issue either]

Particularly this one:
http://bsltaocnke.tripod.com/
[nor here as well]

Was something here according to Google on dailykos.com [it's still there, search for 'Boyce'] but we couldn't find it among all the rambling on Hastert.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/6/151223/489

We think that this is a very significant story and that it bears watching and researching of articles as they become available.

Sources who spoke on anonymity in the past stated that the US Embassy was involved in the trafficking of Akha children in north Thailand when we pointed out the wide access mission people had in the country and what appeared to be a cozy relationship between the missions and the US Consulate in Chiangmai and the US Embassy in Bangkok, not to mention all the goings on during the vietnam war when missions made use of their close ties to ethnic groups and drug trafficking.

[Same ties of the past still being utilized I suppose for the updated world of child sex trafficking, protected by the U.S. Consulate?]

When we reported direct cases of Akha boys being raped by mission directors in north Thailand, the US Embassy had very little interest...


...

Confirming 25.Jan.2008 17:53
semyon

My source is Wayne Madsen who headlines this information on his fee site. It was independently corroborated by a native Thai speaker. Curiously, the name Ralph L. Boyce appears and then disappears as soon as the story breaks on numerous blog sites. Originally involved in blocking recovery of a human trafficking child in Belgium from Thailand, it now appears Boyce, the U.S. Ambassador to Thailand, took early retirement for alleged involvement in a pedophile ring. Looking at Dennis Hastert, and Larry Craig, one wonders how high this thing goes? Madsen suspects it goes all the way to the top of the U.S. Presidency, given Cheney's family, Jeff Gannon, and Libby involvement in similar sordid affairs or fiction writing.

---
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/01/371486.shtml?discuss

Fits right in with the Bush/Clinton Dynasty from 1988: Note year.

"In August 1988, he was assigned to Bangkok, Thailand, as Political Counselor, where he served until August 1992, when he was transferred to Singapore as Deputy Chief of Mission. From June 1993 until September 1994, Boyce was Charge d'Affaires, a.i., in Singapore during the absence of an Ambassador. In October 1994, he returned to Bangkok as Deputy Chief of Mission, where he served until August 1998.

Boyce was Deputy Assistant Secretary for East Asia and Pacific Affairs from August 1998 to July 2001. His area of responsibility included Southeast Asia, Australia, New Zealand, and the Pacific Islands. He served as Ambassador to Indonesia from October 2001 to October 2004.

Mr. Boyce was confirmed as the United States Ambassador to Thailand on June 25, 2004 and sworn in on December 15, 2004. [He's taking early retirement suddenly in Dec. 2007]

1/25/2008 11:14:00 PM  
Anonymous manjusri said...

manjusri reporting from the front lines:

Re: left brained bipedal activity sensed in fourth quadrant

other i.e: scan anomalous logarithms

--relevant information 10 ff many

http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine/short-film

1/25/2008 11:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine/short-film

1/25/2008 11:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Inner Blackout said...

"This is what kicking at the darkness feels like. One of these days, it can't help but bleed daylight."--Jeff Wells

1/26/2008 03:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Toast said...

it can't help but bleed daylight. a daylight so bright it burns you to a crisp

1/26/2008 08:41:00 AM  
Blogger Belliosto said...

The 18th Amendment banned the sale of alcohol. Women in the States benefited and supported this arrogant law. The KKK supported this ban. Then came suffrage soon after with the 19th Amendment. Women shouting and yelling about their need to vote as equals. It is all pretty foggy to me. What kind of government did the women vote in? It seems clear that the officials in government subtly became worse in their representation of people not better. That self interest was the objective of politicians and any concern for other people separate from their cupidity was and is considered outdated. Did this influence of the women starting with the 18th Amendment not make the situation altogether worse in the U.S.? The government corruption could not have gotten any worse.

1/26/2008 11:44:00 AM  
Anonymous clear as mud said...

"Since the mutation of America into the National Security State, it has been bedeviled by dark magi with deep bags of tricks: masters of sleight of hand, misdirection and persuasion, who dazzle their citizen-audience and leave them gasping, Now how'd they do that?

And while the tricked try to figure out the mechanics of deep black illusions, for years the magi have been getting away with murder. And they will continue to do so, until enough people take their eyes off the tricks, and look at the tricksters."
--Jeff Wells

1/26/2008 01:08:00 PM  
Anonymous it's not meant to be a strife said...

“Genius lies in developing complete and perfect freedom within a human being. Only then can a person come up with the best ideas."-- Dr. Yoshiro Nakamatsu

1/26/2008 02:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Miss Piggy said...

Now how'd they do that?

Easy. Flour in the water. It's called Flouridation. Do some research. It's not a trick, really. Just mix flour and water and serve it to the filthy fucking pigs. Then they're yours if you prefer swine.

I want my baby back.

1/26/2008 02:03:00 PM  
Anonymous water for the thirsty said...

"The two central myths of conspiracy theory are lies.

The first myth, of course, is that the world has already been conquered and is currently under Someone Else’s control.

The second myth is more pervasive and ultimately dangerous: the claim that learning about How Fucked We Are is somehow empowering."
--thirtyseven

1/26/2008 02:14:00 PM  
Anonymous ghost of christmas past said...

"How much time do we have? The world itself seems on the clock now, as we ourselves have been all along. How many more years do we have to figure it out, let alone do something about it once we have?

The fact is, we've never had the time we need, even if we get ourselves off to a good start. Knowledge, the Qabalist says, is a false crown. Perhaps a paper birthday hat.
--Jeff Wells

1/26/2008 02:45:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

I was reading a pretty good book on Vodun last night -- published by City Lights. The Egyptians, like the Taoists, believe in a corporeal and an incorporeal soul. The incorporeal soul is the electrochemical light energy that stays with the body after death, feeding on the decaying rot. Egypt got it's alchemical practice from Ethiopia which got it from the Bushmen. After Egypt got alchemy then the Egyptian teaching spread back to West Africa and on to Haiti, although the matrilineal Bantu had already practiced alchemy from the Bushmen.

The Bushmen culture has been documented going back to 80,000 BCE, a time when humans basically still used the cutting "hand axe" -- more likely a throwing weapon, according to Professor William Calvin. In other words the technology used at the start of Bushmen culture was the same, unchanged technology that remained with humans -- as hominids -- for 2.5 million years.

The use of language is really for property rights, through extended hunting ranges in hierarchical niches. The Bushmen culture preserved a prelinguistic knowledge that enables superliminial communication because it relies on the source of sound in the brain -- not on the modern means of measuring light using geometry.

Complimentary opposite harmonics subverts the property rights of monogamous-based nuclear families with the extended hierarchical networks. This practice subverts even homo erectus culture, as detailed in "The NonLocal Universe" by Professors Nadeau and Kafatos (Oxford U Press) (Homo Erectus did not have sexual dimorpohism, and therefore relied on monogamy, like gibbons). Just as bacteria freely exchange DNA fragments and more importantly regulate the gas levels of earth to maintain temperature equilibrium, despite a 50% reduction in past solar energy levels, so too does complimentary opposite harmonics bypass the anthropocentric means of solar-based technology.

The incorporeal soul will remain feeding off the decaying flesh of humans so that earth will be in harmony.

1/26/2008 03:03:00 PM  
Anonymous do you love your country said...

Great job opportunity.

1/26/2008 03:14:00 PM  
Anonymous a thief in the night said...

The warning of Garabandal.

May 2008: Large Hadron Collider schedules first experimental operation.

1/26/2008 03:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some interesting yin yangy stuff...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iM_E6sRQQAg

wv: rllxsgg

1/26/2008 11:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tripple G, your astute discourse on alchemy and numbers is kind to my ears. Your formeless awareness, full lotus, harmonics leaves me still not understanding who you are talking to. The Haiti discussion is interesting to me. Ireland was deforested once and is now being brought back into the woods. I planted 1 million trees in 18 years of tree planting in the great northwest(USA). Here is a tree planting poem I wrote in Idaho near the Salmon river. Mountain bluebird you fly with ease,
treeplanting bondage with fecund earth'
yet I slither and plant hither,
for you mom, I demand you be fed the best of beings,
for you mother I will open the whole to psyche and let shine forth my beauty.
Making the world more pleasing to the eye takes a lot of work. Ireland has done it, perhaps other deforested areas can do the same. For all you in RI world plant some trees this winter and let shine forth your beauty! IC and Surrender, your posts give me hope. Anonymous Xtian out there your rapture nonsense is whack! Shine forth brave souls. Hail Isis, and the formed feminine! Respectfully, Dennis from Oregon.

1/26/2008 11:59:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

To "Dennis from Oregon" who said:

"IC and Surrender, your posts give me hope."

Something else for you to ponder. Tree planters of the world, unite! ;-)

"This is a continuing series of polls about global opinions and attitudes toward environmentalism. It shows that supermajorities of the world are in agreement already on environmental issues, and that a supermajority of the world considers their current forms of state doing poorly on getting to sustainability. This would be a good basis to achieve what the bioregional state promotes: green constitutional engineering to get to sustainability.

The previous three polls [1] [2] [3] showed a huge global agreement for greening politics and economics....


http://biostate.blogspot.com/

The trick is to avoid such sentiment being steered to support a global fascist panopticon, which is where some people want to see it go like the Bilderbergs mentioned in the latest Alex Jones film, Endgame.

Eric said above he was suspicious of films that stayed on the internet for us to view. Well, Eric, when I was watching it this afternoon, all versions at Google Video suddenly became 'not available at this time.' It seems to be working now there, though I went over to YouTube to watch it in segments. I link to there for you if you want to see where some people would want to steer environmentalism into elite/eugenics global fascism instead of bioregional commonwealths.

ENDGAME - Blueprint For Global Enslavement (part 1 of 14) (total time all parts 2 hours 15 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkLNiv6EP-I

1/27/2008 02:41:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Another bit of interesting information on Boyce, that I thought I would pass on. It only goes to show that the same criminals recycle themselves and rearrange themselves over the course of numerous scandals so much that "round up the usual suspects" may be actually sounder than most think:

"I am also a WMR member, and we might want to share some of his older pieces with IM readers, to shine more light on the developing story. Here is a biggie~~

December 7-9, 2007 -- New Australian documentary on Bali bombing

A new Australian documentary features the complicity of then-US ambassador to Indonesia Ralph "Skip" Boyce in the Bali bombings in 2002. WMR was investigating Boyce, now ambassador to Thailand, for his involvement in the cover-up of the role of US diplomats in Southeast Asia, including Thailand, in providing children for sexual trysts with visiting U.S. officials, including Republican members of Congress. It was Boyce who helped arrange for John Mark Karr's hasty retreat from Bangkok to the United States after Karr's arrest.

The diplo-pedo cover-up includes current Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte, who has a major conflict of interest in the misuse of orphanages in the region for purposes of sex between Western VIPs and minors."


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2246973658225588456

1/27/2008 03:20:00 AM  

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