Thursday, February 07, 2008

Empire on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown



Some things are too hot to touch
The human mind can only stand so much
- Bob Dylan


Reposting the earlier segments together with new material. As it should have appeared in the first place.

People are crazy

I've been thinking a lot this week about last week's leaked internal memo from Associated Press. Frank Baker, AP's LA assistant bureau chief, issued the directive that "Now and for the foreseeable future, virtually everything involving Britney is a big deal." I've been thinking how right and how proper this is.

What should US cable news be doing, other than leading the hour with live updates from Britney Spears' custody hearing? Put another way, what does US cable news do better that it should be doing instead? The answer, my answer, is nothing. It's perfectly tuned by the lords of the manor to service the land of genetically modified bread and circuses. What has it ever demonstrated to justify a higher expectation?

But the failed expectations are not the media's alone. Most responsibility rests with the broken subjects of America's broken media. Does Clinton versus Obama really merit more attention and sober analysis than Spears versus Federline? I don't see why it should. One pair speak of "change," and the other of mood swings, but it's the same, leveled spectacle.

Did the Clinton team hack the New Hampshire vote? Bradblog makes its usual strong case for electoral fraud, but I'm finding it hard to get my indignant mojo working. Because here's the thing: even when the system works as advertised it contemptuously defrauds and disenfranchises citizens who take their politics like detached spectators. Obama and Clinton are two contenders in a fight club of closed ranks and consensus brutality with interchangeable corners. The outcome of this contest for advancement upon our lives - American lives and everyone else with a seat at the arena - will mean just as much as who wins the Super Bowl or the Oscar, should we have any emotional investment in the outcome of those contests. Because the only change to be registered will be how we feel about it. That's supposed to be enough, and it's been that way long enough that for many, it is.

Most everyone loves a good breakdown. At least ever since breakdowns have become public spectacle, and we can revel in celebrities' madness at physical and emotional distance. But even if we're so emotionally removed from the circus that we don't care whether the fallen idol is a danger to herself, we still care should she become a harm to others. So we're relieved when Britney loses visitation rights, so her crazy train can keep chugging along without running over her children. Unfortunately, there's no court that can slap the wrists America's already slashed, whose own breakdown would be far more entertaining with a restraining order.

Times Are Strange

Crazy people see things. Most everyone who's not crazy knows that. You'll likely remember than when it's your turn to see something, and be circumspect about to whom you tell it.

People have been seeing things in America since it was known by other names and hosted other nations. In the early 15th Century, in present-day New Mexico, Arizona and Texas, the first wave of Spain's explorer-conquerors were reportedly astonished to find indigenous people with apparent preemptive knowledge of Roman Catholicism, who had even crafted their own crosses and rosaries. The Europeans were told that a pale figure known locally as the "Blue Lady," had appeared to them many times in recent years, floating above the ground in an azure haze, preaching a foreign faith in their own language. When friars carried the story back to Spain in 1635 it was received with interest by the Inquisition, which was just then trying an abbess named Maria de Jesus Agreda.

About a dozen years earlier, after having put on on the blue habit of the Franciscan order, Maria Agreda had begun experiencing ecstatic visions and "raptures," and told her cloistered sisters tales of her more than 500 out-of-body travels to a distant land where she preached to "savages." She eventually wrote a book detailing her spiritual journeys, and she soon came to the attention of the heresy-hunting Inquisition. The story of the "Blue Lady," and the rapidity with which the Spanish were able to pacify and baptize the inhabitants of the lands she had visited, earned Sister Maria both an acquittal and a place in the court of King Philip. Regardless of the century, secular power always stands ready to recruit magicians, miracle workers and devils to its side.

Maria Agreda's etheric adventures and xenoglossia were understood by both the native North Americans and Spanish Catholics as religious events (the only question for the Inquisition was whether they were divine or infernal). Four hundred years later, what once could be called only either miraculous or fraudulent may be regarded as perhaps another category of the merely human.

Similar to Maria Agreda's recruitment by King Philip and John Dee by Queen Elizabeth, Robert Monroe's astral navigations were weaponized by the Pentagon, which schooled itself in his Virginia institute for bilocation. In Journeys Out of the Body, he writes of "raising himself out of the physical" and whoring about on the astral plane, eventually having "sex" - a "giddy electrical-type shock" - with with a female friend who, the next week, volunteered the information that she had had an erotic dream about Monroe the same night, in which he had given her "a detailed physical examination." In 16th Century Spain Monroe would have been called an incubus, and he would have been burned alive.

Robert Bruce describes witnessing his nephew Matt's first real-time OBE in his book Astral Dynamics, during a two-week visit coaching the boy on projection.

A few days before he was due to leave, while meditating late at night, I clearly saw Matt's projected real-time double float through the wall and come into the room I was sitting in. He waved cheerfully at me and I slowly waved back at him, without breaking my entranced state - no mean feat in itself - immensely pleased that Matt had finally managed to get out of his body. Matt floated about the room, seemingly having some difficulty with movement and directional control, but apparently thoroughly enjoying himself. He soon floated out of my sight and that was the last I saw of him that night.

Bruce writes that the next morning, Matt "vividly remembered" floating through the wall, seeing his uncle sitting below and the two waving at each other. And if we can believe his account, the fact that Bruce himself was in an altered state would have heightened his receptivity to seeing things, which makes me wonder whether the "Blue Lady" first manifested herself among entranced shamans.

Which returns me to America's ongoing manic episode. Which is the greater crazy: to see things, or to pretend that you don't?

All the truth in the world

In movies, America breaks for monsters. In real life, not so much. But since America recognizes itself largely by the false images of pop mythology, it thinks it would know a monster when it sees one, and so never sees one.

Remember the boy's birthday party video in M. Night Shyamalan's Signs? It was perhaps the film's singularly true fright, and one of its many wrong notes. The alien was glimpsed only fleetingly in the street, and what most impressed was the shock and confusion of the young witnesses. But what is this amateur video from Passo Fundo, Brazil doing making breaking news on US television? Where is the anchor's disarming happy talk and cynical drops of pop culture bombs? ("Plan 9 from Passo Fundo? Some Brazilian youngsters think so -.") I can't imagine the circumstance, not even an unambiguous alien invasion, that would see a newscaster state "all initial opinions are that this is genuine." In our world, the video would go straight to Youtube and the six-foot tall hominid alien would be dismissed as some joker in a green monster suit. Which, of course, is what he was. And the anchor can't see that only because she's in Shyamalan's world.

January's striking UFO flap in Texas, centered over Stephenville, was never serious news, though credible witnesses included a county sheriff who presumably has a stake in maintaining a sober reputation. ("It’s a bit bewildering when upstanding citizens insist they’ve seen a UFO," admits Noel Williams, who also wants to pretend it's just a movie. "They may otherwise be reputable, but their close encounters are probably as fictitious as films like The Day the Earth Stood Still.") If it had occasioned more than novelty profiteering, that would have at least been different. Even for Stephenville. In 1897, the town was reportedly visited by the famous cigar-shaped "mystery airship," and contact made with its pair of apparently human occupants, who identified themselves as contract employees performing a test run for "certain New York capitalists." Perhaps it was a hoax. Perhaps, this was a test run of then black technology controlled by the day's elite. Or perhaps, as has often been the case with extraordinary encounters, contactees are told a story that makes some sense to their cultural markers.

Over the summer of 1692, Gloucester, Massachusetts endured a flap of "ghost militia" sightings - a raiding party of a dozen seeming Frenchmen with the properties of phantoms who were heard to converse in an "unknown tongue." They only menaced; never actually harming residents or property, and no evidence of their campsites were found.

Near the end of July, Gloucester's Ebenezer Babson came upon three of the men when he was gathering his cattle in the woods. Cotton Mather's ecclesiastical history and proto-Forteana of New England, the Magnalia Christi Americana, describes Babson's putative ambush when, creeping within 40 yards of the party, he took aim, fired and nothing happened. He fired 12 times, and still nothing. Then they three turned and slowly began approaching him in an unthreatening manner. They didn't even "take any notice of him, than just to give him a look; though he snapt his gun at them all the while they walked toward him, and by him: neither did they quicken their pace at all , but went into a parcel of bushes and he saw them no more." Returning home, Babson tested his gun several times, "and yet it did not once miss fire. After this, there occurred several strange things; but now, concluding they were but spectres, they took little further notice of them."

Anyone familiar with the literature of contact events will recognize the sudden and inexplicable failure of mechanical devices, notably of those which could inflict damage.

In our world, which may not be ours after all so much as also theirs, the monsters won't get the attention of cable news by walking down the street of a South American city. They won't even hold Larry King's attention by buzzing Texas towns with strange craft, or by hovering over an O'Hare Airport terminal or the Channel Islands. Monsters must go for our culture's big value targets fraught with myth and symbolism. So it's New York City that must be razed, drowned, frozen, nuked, crushed and trampled over and over again.

Signs was shooting in rural Pennsylvania in September, 2001 when monsters from the deep politic attacked New York City. Crop circles can't hold a boxcutter to that spectacle, nevermind that they too are more than a movie and the sum of its many hoaxes. Strange things are allowed to happen in the countryside. It's always been expected, just as it's also more easily tuned out.

Take 1964's "Solway Spaceman." Picnicking with his family six miles out of town, James Templeton snapped a photograph of his youngest daughter Elizabeth picking wildflowers. When developed, the picture also showed the image of a large man in a strange white suit, someone the family was quite sure had not been there. After taking the picture to the police and the Ministry of Defense, "which expressed interest," Templeton was contacted by two men he assumed to be Ministry officials. They picked up Templeton and traveled together to the site, where he was questioned queerly and then left him stranded. They also refused to provide their names, identifying themselves only numerically, one as "9" and the other as "11." Templeton, now 87, is still unsettled about his own, private 9/11, and hopes there may be something in Ministry files to account for it.

Adds up to one big lie

If all the world's a stage, then America must be it's favourite long running production. The Mousetrap, say. And as with The Mousetrap, I don't think I'm giving anything away to say the detective did it.

Britney Spears is not a distraction. That's what politics, and America's national bipolar disorder, is for. Her current boyfriend, photographer Adnan Ghalib, is a British Pakistani who "earned his expertise in weaponry fighting abroad in Afghanistan, Kosovo and Macedonia." Billy Bush, the co-host of Access Hollywood, is George W Bush's first cousin. Not only will John McCain be the Republican nominee, he could have been the Democratic nominee as well, since he was "very close" to crossing the aisle in 2001. Ann Coulter has pledged to campaign for Hillary Clinton, and Rush Limbaugh has defended both Clinton and Barack Obama by acknowledging no substantial difference on "national security" between them and the Bush legacy. In his words, "they are not going to surrender the country to Islamic radicalism or the war in Iraq." Obama's vague sermonizing about the future recalls Jacques Vallee's messengers of deception, and how the "space brothers" have yet to tell us one thing we don't know, and have yet to make good on a single promise. If the Spears' drama distracts from the Audacity of Remulak, then perhaps, when you think about it, it's not such a bad thing.

The salvation-model politics of hope and change finds its happy opposite in the doomsong of Alex Jones, for whom martial law is always one broadcast away. Both come from the same fraudulent dichotomy of salvation and damnation, in which the future redemption or Armageddon never quite arrives. The harder truth may be that this is our destination. And they're not coming for us; they're here already, and they've always had us.

Take Back America. Maybe America belongs to others, and that's what they're doing.

323 Comments:

Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Well just to play Devil's Advocate on the OBE -- the Vedic philosophy of jnana or vichara argues that ONLY by repeating I-I-I until the mind is killed will all OBEs (and physical rebirths) end. Everything else (science, OBEs, etc.) is just a logical inference of pure consciousness -- but in fact a projection of the ego, simply caught in a limited self-hypnosis of brain emptiness (including terra-forming Mars, and the actual Matrix plan -- turning Earth into a holograph -- and even helping the universe evolve into a new parallel spacetime based on all the Von Neumann nanobiomotors created by Ray Kurzweil and his military lab buddies).

2/07/2008 04:22:00 PM  
Blogger Emanuel said...

Speaking of election thefts, here is an article that came out the day of the California primary, reporting on the last poll before the voting booths opened, a Zogby poll, showing Obama ahead by a whopping 13%! Not only that, the poll was a running poll, meaning they polled samples over time to see what kind of momentum was building right up until the election. John Zogby himself is quoted in the article saying Obama had the momentum, meaning his lead was increasing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080205/pl_nm/usa_politics_poll_dc

Isn't it interesting how the result in California is almost exactly opposite the polls. Clinton won by something close to 15%. That's a flip of almost 30%.

Folks, we can't say this year's (s)election isn't entertaining!

2/07/2008 05:07:00 PM  
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2/07/2008 05:08:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Fun read on a boring day. I especially liked the spaceman photos. Glad to see you back in action Jeff.

Shirking my chores,
Lord Reptor.

2/07/2008 06:32:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

In my opinion the smoking guns and roses of smoke and mirrors are chemtrails. We all seem to not see them and when we do see them they are emboldened to chemically juice the denial of all things bright and beautiful.

2/07/2008 07:36:00 PM  
Blogger middleworld said...

Obviously this is where we were meant to be. Among another million possibilities. Health is the yardstick, and though we live longer than fifty years ago, we live with dis-ease.

Our possibilities are limited only by the lies of our leaders. Britney is/was MIND CONTROLLED. Literally. To mind control us.

Try not to be mind controlled. Emancipate yourself from mental slavery.

Jeff, we hardly knew ye, thou sophisticate, thou sophist.

2/07/2008 08:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

air travel, according to airbus, is forecasted to triple in the next twenty years. wrap your head around that. enjoy what direct sunlight you can now because in twenty years the skies will be permanently obscured. don't worry about your vitamin d deficiency as a result. big pharma will have that covered.

and this election process is only entertaining if you like reruns. who cares if they rigged it so saddam bin laden obamma got beat by hillary? do you really think one is any different than the other? do you think there was really any difference between carter and reagan? they all serve the same masters.

finally, what is america? i think it's a bit disingenuous to single out america in all of this. what's going down, and has been going down certainly transcends america. it doesn't adhere to national boundaries. it uses the concept of nationalism to further its agenda, and the myth of america certainly is part of that. but let me ask you, am i included in the definition of america? what about other americans who post to this blog or to your forum? what about you?

i agree that this is our destination and they have always had us.

2/07/2008 08:34:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

The whole chemtrail thing...could have something to do with the whole general craziness aspect of our recent cultural history. Could be mood and/or perception drugs in the air (and food, and water) as well as military metals and weather-mod chemicals.

The planes are certainly up there.

This past fall there was a two-week or so period when a lot of large, grey aircraft with charming rounded tailfins (sometimes flying quite low) left perfect, long-lasting tic-tac-toe patterns in the sky daily. These always seemed to spread into overcast and rain.

I would say most of the chemtrail stuff one might see is likely weather programs, but I could believe that other stuff might be sprayed regularly, not all of it visibly. It doesn't seem too crazy. As a younger person in Victoria I was sprayed along with everyone else by early-morning DC-3's (wiping out dangerous moths, apparently). In the same town, about twenty years ago, a rather good friend of mine once received a faceful of some kind of clear plasticky stuff out of a cloudless sky while we were cycling. It was bizarre - he went down choking on the stuff, which seemed like clear glue and had blocked his mouth and nose. Before we'd really had time to panic, it kind of melted away and dried up at the same time. He felt fine and we continued cycling. Like hagfish slime or something. From the sky.


Years later (late 90's) - same town - that same friend and I, while walking in the evening, saw a pillar of black-seeming stuff that was like light but not, beaming straight upwards from a downtown location, just like the sort of searchlight people put on for shows and the like in the city but lightless and black and hard to look at. We both stopped and stared at it, dumbfounded, on the crowded path we were on (Songhees walkway on the way to Spinnakers). At first it seemed that we were the only ones that were noticing anything odd, but then we noticed a very few other walkers pointing and looking puzzled. Otherwise, we would have thought it was perhaps some kind of previously unseen aftereffect of youthful chemical excesses. Never seen the like before or since, and fairly sure it wasn't visible to everyone. It felt distressing to look at, and we were glad when it went away - I don't recall how it stopped, either.

So I can believe in crazy things because I've seen some. If bizarre slime can hurtle from the sky and hideous unbearable invisible light shoot up from the city on a perfectly normal evening in a mundane life like mine, then what on earth might be happening in the lives of people truly connected to power? I could believe mass mind control through unforeseen tech, easy. Secret bases. Who knows?

Maybe America is the Sirhan Sirhan of nations, now at the mad scribbling phase as the controllers beam tormenting phrases and ideas to our metal-saturated, drugged brains from orbital bases...maybe something stranger. But at some level, for someone, the mad things we see are prosaic reality.

Perhaps the invisible spacesuit man is sitting beside me now, and at the same time in a highly radioactive chamber in a spy submarine offshore, where the image of my reality wobbles at the other end of the deadly beam reflected from the ionosphere into my house.


Disturbed by the turn things keep taking,
Lord Reptor.

2/07/2008 08:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Listen to the consecutive coverage of the Texas UFO event by NPR. Disgusting. They cover it properly in the first segment, but then they make sure they malign it in every segment thereafter. Producers at work.

January 16th - Original story

January 17th - Letters from listeners

January 17th - Mirage

January 19th - Prediction

2/07/2008 09:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ Lord Reptor.

Could it have been a column of swarming insects? We get them here in the summer, over the trees in the park on the island.

Took me a while to figure out what they were to be honest.

Bootstrap

2/07/2008 10:35:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

A nervous breakdown can be caused by excessive use of drugs--biologically as well as financially in the USA case.

The financial type of drug induced breakdown in democracy seems the case for the McCain campaign. McCain's Florida 'money raiser' was caught connected to illegal drug planes being flown into the USA. Not to mention Giuliani caught up in the drug funding rounds as well:

"The Republican connection begins with the statement in court filings that the money to purchase the planes was laundered through a bank which is almost invariably described as “fast-growing” in admiring business news articles.

The drug money was wired, usually from Mexico, to an account at Commerce Bank in Miami, whose Chairman, Dennis Nixon, is the South Texas Co-chair of John McCain’s campaign.

Nixon was also a Bush Pioneer and Ranger in George W. Bush’s two Presidential campaigns, raising $300,000 in one night for Bush’s re-election bid in Texas border town Laredo.

High-profile Texas businessman Dennis Nixon's bank is even— in one of the sales—involved on both ends. Money was wired from Mexico, first to an account at Commerce Bank in Miami, then on to International Bank of Commerce (IBC) in Oklahoma to complete the sale.

Dennis Nixon's International Bancshares of San Antonio owns both banks.

"Abuse of power comes as no surprise."

The second transaction with apparent Republican 'ramifications" involves a Grumman Albatross (N7027Z) seaplane apparently sold to the Sinaloa Cartel.

N7274Z, reported El Nuevo Herald, had been "purchased, with several twists between August to September 2006, from the HSBC bank in Mexico by Jorge Barraza, a resident of Tamil Nadu, Jorge Medina and Daniel Medina on behalf of Insured Aircraft Title Service in Oklahoma."

El Nuevo Herald identifies the plane with the “N” number N7027Z as a Beech King Air. However, the grand jury indictment identifies the plane only by its N number, N7027Z.

A check of FAA records revealed that that “N” number was assigned to a Grumman Albatross seaplane. An FAA spokesman told us, when we inquired, that that N number has been used exclusively by the Grumman Albatross for the past 15 years.

Moreover a reliable source in Fort Lauderdale stated to us recently that seaplanes have recently become all the rage in drug trafficking circles.

A seaplane would seem an excellent idea

The seaplane, or "warbird," as aircraft broker sites call planes decommissioned from the military, was owned by Jay Koven, whose construction company built Rudy Giuliani’s Emergency Command Center in Building 7 of the World Trade Center."


And on the non-existent 'other side of the aisle,' a phrase with expectations designed to screw with your mind's sense of hope of change through informal parties and spectator democracy, it's not so different from the Clinton's given their Mena, Arkansas location that lauched them into fame as as CIA drug transshipment site that launched Bill's career in U.S. federal drug trading politics courtesy of close family friend George H. W. Bush, then CIA Director in 1976 who additionally served with Hillary on the board of American LaFarge where Hillary and George Senior provided war munitions profiteering to the Iran/Iraq war back in the 1980s.

Probably why Hillary has this 'experienced record' (a worthy read at that link to mock her stupid slogan she harps on in her vote fraud induced campaign) is why she won't reveal her tax returns that would reveal where the sudden 5 million dollar 'loan' she is personally giving her campaign is coming from to be financially competitive with Obama.

Sure is nice to have a handy five million stashed away on her past federal salaries. She wasn't paid as First Lady I don't think unless there were a lot of Tupperware parties; and New York Senator ain't no multi-million dollar job. No (legal) way she would get that money injection into her campaign's main line.

Not to worry.

A change of media topic is in order soon perhaps.

Obama seems to be set up for an assassination JFK style (when his very own guards let it happen) given that the powers that be don't want to protect him properly in public, and that may clear up the ever-so slight competition (after all Obama's skull and bones financer link as well as his Zbig Brzezinski/terrorism links; and Obama's main economic adviser wants to privatize U.S. social security.)

At least Hillary's travesty of a record is clear.

And at least we know that the ex-CIA head Woolsey is an advisor running the McCain campaign in true democratic fashion I'm sure.

It's hard to call it a breakdown when this has been going on for decades this way. Perhaps the mental dissociation is that more people are waking up to how broken normality is nowadays.

2/08/2008 02:48:00 AM  
Blogger friendlyfascism said...

Dear Jeff and Co.,

On the topic of who rules the Empire, I wanted to tell you that our film starring longtime Harper's Magazine editor Lewis Lapham, THE AMERICAN RULING CLASS, is now out on DVD and available on our website www.theamericanrulingclass.org.

It's a "dramatic-documentary-musical" featuring Howard Zinn, Kurt Vonnegut, Pete Seeger, Robert Altman, James Baker, and innumerbale other newspaper owners, Secretaries of Defense & Commerce, and members of the power elite generally. Here's a musical clip featuring Barbara Ehrenreich www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDgFiW2xtf0

The film is at bottom a morality tale, as two young ivy-league grads decide whether they want to "rule the world, or save it."

Studs Terkel, the London Observer, the Montreal Mirror and many others call it "Astonishing!" and "Divine Madness".

My big dream is to get Jeff on screen for the next one, a documentary-musical satire called TO THE HEALTH OF THE STATE! A CHAMPAGNE TOAST TO WAR...

Yours for a better world,

Friendly Fascism,
Director, The American Ruling Class

2/08/2008 06:41:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

This post, by Jeff, in this form...
really captures why I'm moving to Australia in the next year.
And why I have a dark fascination with this country, kind of like the way I secrety admire Charles Manson.
But i also realize how sick that is. But the reflection of a sick world, a sick country is what all of this media is. And Jeff hits this one out of the sick ballpark, the Giants won the Superbowl this year...New York had to show the world that the monsters are Giants and vice versa

2/08/2008 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Coulter and Limbaugh would love Clinton or Obama because it would further their careers as it would give them something to "hate" or ridicule.
This all too American trait of wanting, no, needing an object of derision, a target knows no boundry but is part of the root of what this place is all about.
I never felt that. I always saw the "enemy" as something like intollerance, racism, hatred, suffering. More of an abstract "enemy" but whatever...
The alien thing....
Jeff, you are right on the money on that issue as usual, and the black techne of the elite that is manefesting as "ufos" for certain...
or are they OBE's of some trans-dimentional tulpas?
perhapos they are a combination of these forces.
Perhaps when the elite crafted
the crafts they crafted (via a Crowlean doorway) a merging of the real and the unreal.
OBEs.....
I flip flop between thinking it's all a hoax, vivid imagination or holography and believing it's possible.
I've never been able to biolocate or astrally travel though...I've tried it since I was a boy...hundreds of years ago.
on Venus.

2/08/2008 10:36:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

The GREAT GALACTIC G said,

"Everything else (science, OBEs, etc.) is just a logical inference of pure consciousness -- but in fact a projection of the ego, simply caught in a limited self-hypnosis of brain emptiness (including terra-forming Mars, and the actual Matrix plan -- turning Earth into a holograph -- and even helping the universe evolve into a new parallel spacetime based on all the Von Neumann nanobiomotors created by Ray Kurzweil and his military lab buddies)."

I got you, I completely see what you're saying for once. And that scares the shit out of me.
But I sort of wonder if this world isn't already holographied, a giant simulation. holographic model theory's got my back on that one.
infinite permutations of I-I-I-I....
to "kill the mind"? I dunno. I like to kill my mind in more funner ways.
And Jeff's suspicion that tranced out shamans have insight into projectors like the Fransiscan nun really bugs me. I really wonder IF that's the case.
It seems that way for sure but who can be sure of such a thing?

2/08/2008 10:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,having
first hand experience in contacts while in OBE,this shit is for real.The feeling that your out there not by yourself,but that something dark and menacing is letting you go as far it wants.Maybe I opened myself to Dark forces,but there is always a price for the power that it gives you.I always felt a litle like Luke,when Vader told him"let yourself go to the force",so needless to say I don't practice OBE anymore.Jeff,your right"they're not coming for us;they're here already,and they've always had us",later.

2/08/2008 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My initial reaction to the Stephenville UFO sightings was a shrug. Normally I would be all over a story like this, discussing it and such. But when a story like that gets so much attention, I'm immediately suspicious. But then I started seeing some of Linda Moulton Howe's coverage at Earthfiles and started thinking, 'Maybe there is something to this.' And then a journalist friend of mine in Texas calls me the other day and says: "What do THEY want?" I wasn't sure what she meant. "The UFOs in Stephenville. What do THEY want?" I couldn't answer her. Although I did recall a story I did for a small Texas newspaper back in 1999 about black helicopters harassing a farmer in Burnet County and dumping some sort of substance on him and his property. That area of Texas has long been known as having an inordinate amount of strange activity, from Aurora onward.

2/08/2008 12:43:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

"Anonymous One,having
first hand experience in contacts while in OBE,this shit is for real.The feeling that your out there not by yourself,but that something dark and menacing is letting you go as far it wants."
that's exactly why I'm so suspicious of OBE's
that and the fact that they're all so subjective and "feelings" based.
I don't think it's possible but then again, I do. I just doubt if people who do it would tell anyone. And i doubt that anyone with sillty vague Star Wars references has a clue as to how to astrally travel.
Edger Cacey? I doubt if he could either.
The CIA? well....

2/08/2008 12:50:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

AAAHHH black helecopters!! Alex Jones!!!! AAAGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!
seriously though...I've seen em.
they're black and look like Apaches They have no markings.
I was on a friend's boat this summer and saw one flying in the middle of Lake Ontario...he had a pair of binoculars onboard so I tried to use them to see it. The bobbing of the boat and the motion of the helecopter made it nearly impossible to get a good look at it, but I did catch a good glimpse of it. It had no markings. It was black. it was traveling North.

2/08/2008 12:56:00 PM  
Blogger Rafting Bear said...

I haven't been able to verify on the Web the part of the story where the numbers the MIBs used for each other were "9" and "11". Can anyone provide a citation for that?

2/08/2008 01:07:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

@Anon - nope, definitely not insects. Looked just like an immobile searchlight beam, except for the colour and time of day (early evening, still very light out).
Maybe all this weirdness is due to drugs - ever since the spooks got into 'em in the 40's-60's, we've all been getting more and more of 'em. The Psychedelic Empire.

Drugs and power - smashing good fun, I expect.

Appreciative of my tap-water in new ways,
Lord Reptor.

2/08/2008 01:13:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

"I haven't been able to verify on the Web the part of the story where the numbers the MIBs used for each other were "9" and "11". Can anyone provide a citation for that?"

I should have sourced that. It's from Jim Keith's 1997 book, Casebook on the Men in Black: "They picked up Templeton in a Jaguar, and wore dark business suits, flashing official-looking ID cards. They did not, however, give their names, referring to each other only as '9' and '11.'" (page 179).

2/08/2008 02:28:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

This should help correct the "all is consciousness" meme I posted as "devil's advocate" against OBEs.

Well basically as Gurdjieff writes, the West is fixated on duality whereas Taoism and paranormal energy is created through what he calls: The Law of Three. In Taoism and Ch'an Buddhism that's: Yin (electrochemical energy), Yang (electromagnetic energy) and "emptiness" or what I call female formless awareness.

So the alchemical agent stored in the belly of the male healer is a combination of the above three -- it's called the "diamond gem" in alchemy -- a combination of crystallized blood-semen. It's crystallized because it's been "ionized" by the electromagnetic energy.

Ch'an Buddhism teaches that there's "different levels of emptiness" -- this is a really obscure concept but basically the electromagnetic energy is guided by our subconscious desires -- the electrochemical energy -- but, since it uses complementary harmonics, it resonates back to female formless awareness, so the electromagnetic energy can bend spacetime. So the goal is to convert all the electrochemical energy into electromagnetic energy which means it can be projected into a "higher" level of emptiness -- i.e. the solar system or farther, thereby enabling the spirit of the healer to have a longer immortality.

Even still at some cosmic catastrophe such an "angel" will have their spirit return back to the female formless awareness.

What left-brain mind yoga teaches is that such experiences of electromagnetic spirit are just projections of the ego and any experience of emptiness is therefore only temporary and also an illusion since the ego will be reborn in another physical form, based on the cosmic karma cycles.

In contrast to pursuing spirit projection the left-brain mind yoga seeks to completely destroy the ego by literally killing the mind, after the heart stops for 10 minutes, then having only pure consciousness restart the body, so that no karma can accumulate afterwards. With each thought the mind will "empty out" to beyond the heart, thereby creating a "jnana" of eternal liberation.

It's argued that only when meditation is focused on the root of the ego -- the source of the I-thought -- will the mind be completely destroyed, otherwise any spirit projections will still just be temporary projections of the ego -- even into outerspace.

For example if the mind is stopped and the body put into suspension -- for a hundred years say -- when the mind starts up again it will return to the very same thought it had a hundred years before.

Because of this experience of female formless awareness as only a temporary stillness it is considered to be just a product of logical inference -- realized AFTER the fact (i.e. you come out of the stillness and then go back into the same ego-based delusion).

So ONLY by using left-brain pursuit of the source of all thoughts -- based on the I-thought -- can a permanent return to the truth of reality be achieved -- that yin and yang are illusions and only pure consciousness is real.

But what this process ignores is that the mind yoga relies on complete separation from females and the creation of a military-state to protect the mind yoga practitioners (who have let the bodies' wither). This is what became the traditional Brahmin priest caste society and then later the Buddhist empire and the Greek empire, etc.

What's more accurate is that humans of all cultures use music for creating paranormal energy -- with the basic ratios of harmonics being the same as yin-yang-emptiness.

So in Pythagorean harmonics the number 2 is female matter (yin electrochemical) as the reflection or resonance of formless awareness -- the number 2 coincidentally like the kundalini snake goddess. So we can see that the snake goddess is INHERENT to the spiritual energy -- as part of the Law of Three -- the alchemical agent -- in an eternal process of creation and destruction, etc.

2/08/2008 03:34:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

The Stephenville UFO was sighted less than 20 miles from the Bush enclave. I think they are both holographs. The f-16's protect the no-fly zone to keep "them" in, not to keep us out.

2/08/2008 04:57:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

You know, if there is a way to move consciousness outside the body naturally, then there's probably a way to force the process technologically. I keep thinking about the spaceman in/not in the photograph...they walk among us, man.

Maybe the guy was in a nearby facility, in a chamber, doing tech-based remote viewing at the end of a coherent radio beam that printed on the film.

Dick gets into this stuff a bit in the VALIS books - not only natural projection and reception, but technological, radiation-based perception extension and communication.

Just think - some tired, burned-out NSA acid-head who's been secretly in orbit since 1953 could be telling you to go get the gun, right now, go get it...

Actually, on reflection, being high on acid at the impossibly high-tech center of secret world forces with bizarre ideologies sounds like a pretty interesting job.

I bet underwater bases are fun too. Or deep underground. Slip out into the dark tunnels and check the drug injectors on the water mains for each neighbourhood while the massive security 'bot slumbers, its indicators winking jagged amber in your Robotripping eyes...

Ready to fill out a job application,
Lord Reptor.

2/08/2008 05:37:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Actually the Stephenville UFO was probably a big black triangle, as posted at ufomystic.com. I actually had a very close encounter with a big black triangle in the summer of 1997. Strangely X-files had just ended (didn't know that the big black triangle had previously be featured on that show). So my sister sees strange lights on the horizon, saying they're the same as she'd seen up the river valley. We go outside, she gets bored and goes in. I'm trying to rule out possibilities of these spheres of light on the horizon doing inexplicable manuevers, each a different color: red, green, orange. Not headlights, not helicopter, not tower lights, etc.

Then I see something coming towards me from the lights on the horizon: slowly as it passes over the neighbor's woods I make out a big black triangle -- no fuselage, perfect equilateral triangle with lights on each corner of the craft. I can triangulate it as it passes right over the hill on the north end of our yard, then just over the big oak tree at the end of the yard -- it's going very slowly, making a humming sound and so close I could have hit it with a rock. It's bigger in width then the span of the oak tree crown -- so maybe 150 feet.

I don't dare take my eyes of the thing and it continues over our driveway, close over the trees and on across the river valley. It's a dark, clear quiet night -- a very eerie experience.

Even though I had no other witness my mom's worker at the local legal newspaper shows me her 3-ring binder of a "ufo" flap in that area in the 1970s. The whole area had photos of strange crafts and one local rancher had his cattle mutilated so badly he moved out of the area (his ranch had been adjacent to a state wildlife refuge). So then the worker informs me that this area is part of a military flight test corridor.

That was summer 1997 and then I happened upon a Rense report of the EXACT same type of big black triangle sighting, so I did further research and learned of the Belgium big black triangles, etc. Finally I did a MUFON search and discovered that there were three other witness reports of the big black triangle in my area around the same time, the late 1990s.

2/08/2008 07:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Big black Triangles... are the ancient ones, seaching out pure souls to defile.

Worship them as gods or devils.

Take refuge in the [b]one[/b]

2/08/2008 08:58:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Well I did just start a new "Church of the Big Black Triangle" over at ufomystic.com but then considering the Stephenville witness is now being harrassed by the military -- seems new disciples may be turned off.

"UFO witness claims harassment
By ANGELIA JOINER Staff Writer
Sunday, February 3, 2008 3:11 PM CST

Ricky Sorrells is frustrated and a little angry.

Since his interview with the Associated Press, Sorrells has stayed quiet regarding the daytime UFO sightings on his property near Dublin.

And, there is more than one reason for his silence.

Sorrells believes military officials have been harassing him by flying military aircraft over his property at low altitudes, at all hours of the day and night. Sorrells runs livestock on his place and said the cattle don’t react well to the disturbances. It’s also been hard to get any sleep."

There's at least one other article on Sorrells giving further details.

2/08/2008 09:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Midnight Cowboy said...

HMW should be eating this up. Heath Ledger, the gay caballero, allegedly overdoses and the real life caballero sees a ufo, reports it, and gets buzzed by the airforce. You can't make this shit up.

2/08/2008 09:40:00 PM  
Blogger sockmonkey said...

they have to pratice the second coming somewhere

2/08/2008 09:54:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Maybe a nervous breakdown, though a very orderly one is planned. Despite Jeff's pshaw on martial law since 1996 starting in Cleveland, the FBI has expanded a network of corporate/Fortune 500 executives who are deputized to shoot to kill when martial law occurs. Not government workers. Private corporate executives only.

Not if martial law occurs, when, they were told. And they have started doing 'terror drills' with the federal government, and these tend to go live sooner or later when they are satisfied with their staff's brain-dead do-as-you're-told response to the drill.

And "InfraGard" was expanded from around 1,000 executives in 2001 to around 23,000 executives by 2007.

Bush signed an executive order in May 2007 to work with InfraGard in the next 'emergency', and they have already being doing terror drills with the InfraGard.

Heil to the corporate state, with its shoot to kill rights with no punishment.

More on this:

"One business executive, who showed me his InfraGard card, told me they have permission to "shoot to kill" in the event of martial law.
http://progressive.org/mag_rothschild0308

Exclusive! The FBI Deputizes Business
By Matthew Rothschild, February 7, 2008

Today, more than 23,000 representatives of private industry are working quietly with the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. The members of this rapidly growing group, called InfraGard, receive secret warnings of terrorist threats before the public does--and, at least on one occasion, before elected officials....

...

In November 2001, InfraGard had around 1,700 members. As of late January [2007], InfraGard had 23,682 members, according to its website, www.infragard.net, which adds that "350 of our nation's Fortune 500 have a representative in InfraGard."

To join, each person must be sponsored by "an existing InfraGard member, chapter, or partner organization." The FBI then vets the applicant. On the application form, prospective members are asked which aspect of the critical infrastructure their organization deals with. These include: agriculture, banking and finance, the chemical industry, defense, energy, food, information and telecommunications, law
enforcement, public health, and transportation.

FBI Director Robert Mueller addressed an InfraGard convention on August 9, 2005. At that time, the group had less than half as many members as it does today. "To date, there are more than 11,000 members of InfraGard," he said. "From our perspective that amounts to 11,000 contacts . . . and 11,000 partners in our mission to protect America." He added a little later, "Those of you in the private sector are the first line of defense."

He urged InfraGard members to contact the FBI if they "note suspicious activity or
an unusual event." And he said they could sic the FBI on "disgruntled employees who will use knowledge gained on the job against their employers."

...

On May 9, 2007, George Bush issued National Security Presidential Directive 51 entitled "National Continuity Policy." In it, he instructed the Secretary of Homeland Security to coordinate with "private sector owners and operators of critical infrastructure, as appropriate, in order to provide for the delivery of essential services during an emergency."

Asked if the InfraGard National Members Alliance was involved with these plans, Schneck said it was "not directly participating at this point." Hershman, chairman
of the group's advisory board, however, said that it was.

InfraGard members, sometimes hundreds at a time, have been used in "national emergency preparation drills," Schneck acknowledges. [and such drills tend to 'go live' in state terrorism from VP George H. W. Bush drilling his Reagan Assassination in early 1981 merely a day or so before it actually happened with a Bush family friend at the trigger of the gun.]

...


One business owner in the United States tells me that InfraGard members are being advised on how to prepare for a martial law situation—and what their role might be.

He showed me his InfraGard card, with his name and e-mail address on the front, along with the InfraGard logo and its slogan, "Partnership for Protection." On the back of the card were the emergency numbers that Schneck mentioned.

This business owner says he attended a small InfraGard meeting where agents of the FBI and Homeland Security discussed in astonishing detail what InfraGard members may be called upon to do.

"The meeting started off innocuously enough, with the speakers talking about corporate espionage," he says. "From there, it just progressed. All of a sudden we were knee deep in what was expected of us when martial law is declared. We were expected to share all our resources, but in return we'd be given specific benefits." These included, he says, the ability to travel in restricted areas and to get people out.
But that's not all.

"Then they said when—not if—martial law is declared, it was our responsibility to protect our portion of the infrastructure, and if we had to use deadly force to protect it, we couldn't be prosecuted," he says.


I was able to confirm that the meeting took place where he said it had, and that the FBI and Homeland Security did make presentations there. One InfraGard member who attended that meeting denies that the subject of lethal force came up. But the whistleblower is 100 percent certain of it. "I have nothing to gain by telling you this, and everything to lose," he adds. "I'm so nervous about this, and I'm not someone who gets nervous."

...one other InfraGard member corroborated the whistleblower's account,...."

2/08/2008 10:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Wovoka, compadre de Seattle y Juan Diego said...

Nice post, Mark. This story has gone viral in one day. I've seen it on several sites. Thanks for linking the original. The comments there are a hoot.

As for the blue nun, other than being a brand of wine, for Jeff to say "the friars" didn't bring back the story of the virgen of Guadelupe to the Inquisitors until 1635 don't make it so. Juan Diego, mi indigino compadre from the south saw the virgen in 1531, and Maria "Lobhsang Rampa" d.J. Agreda wasn't even born until 1602.

DO THE MATH.

Woo, wooo, wooooooooooooooo.

Scary ghost stories and youfo's agin.

Next thing you'll be pouring firewater in our wells.

Bugger off, white men!

2/09/2008 12:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great Galactic Ghoul says...

...and then I started reading and reading, and as I started reading I started to think, this sounds like someone I used to read all the time on another blog in a galaxie far far away...Very Hempelesque.

2/09/2008 01:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually a few interesting comments up there. The Fortean stuff and chemtrails could very well be both connected and benign, if true at all. Could chemtrails, assuming for a moment that the whole thing is factually true, be designed to simply shield us in some manner from prying eyes from above? Whose eyes? Why, the eyes of the guys that have been dropping gooey stuff and frogs and gravel and strange substances upon us since, well, forever...

America is no big deal. Empire will continue to march westwards and Indo-China will soon enough be fiddling in everyone's elections and lording it over all us peons. What we can strive and hope for is for the death throes to not be so awful that it wipes us out culturally, and that their paradigm is somewhat more benign than ours has been.

I'm not bothered by any of this stuff, overall. Yeah, it all sucks, but its natural and probably inevitable.

2/09/2008 06:30:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Anon. 8:58, I am inclined to agree. So what was happening around 97? Were these folks on a shopping spree? My brother saw one of these black triangles up close. He is not intellectual and I doubt he thought much about UFO’s before this event. He is however of a rare breed, he’s an honest mechanic.

Still a more dominant opinion for me is that these folk are more monitoring brain wave patterns rather than manipulating them (so far).

2/09/2008 08:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for agreeing with me Sounder. I'm not sure what was going on in '97 but I do know I admire your perfectly firm buttocks.

2/09/2008 11:02:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

First, Halliburton illegally sold nuclear materials to Iran in 2004--to get an enemy for a Bush government comprised of giving contracts of 'defense' (gag word) to said corporation Halliburton. A false flag terrorism hit on the USA keyed to automatically respond as if Iran was the blame seems to have been barely avoided in 2005.

Now the next strategy is U.S. money for Russia is linked to aiding Iran's nuclear plant. "The U.S. Energy Department is subsidizing two Russian nuclear institutes that are building key parts of a reactor in Iran that the United States spent years trying to stop"--so they say they wanted to stop. Instead they are just self-funding their own war context justification, part two.

So the U.S. has been funding Iran's nuclear capacities for several years under both public and private corporate entities (like Halliburton).

2/09/2008 11:05:00 AM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

If you want good contact with the aliens make sure to grow out your hair as it acts as the antennae -- or at least it worked for the Nazi female channellers of the Vril society.

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0208/secretsocieties8.html

2/09/2008 12:37:00 PM  
Blogger American Goy said...

Well I did enjoy the Solway pictures page more than I should have. Something like that would be extremely easy to fake but still...

The logic about the NYC (or say Washington) being razed to the ground by UFO's to hammer the point home is a good one, which lead to your second point about "strange things are expected to happen in the countryside".

All in all a decent read.

2/09/2008 05:31:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

What's cool about ufos is that water is the third most common molecule in outspace (still by far less than 1% of the universe, but anyway).... well I did come across that NASA ionized water vortex engine study -- it's somewhere on science citation index for those of you who are really curious.

More pressing is the fact that there's only 20 years of freshwater (latest study in Science) left on Earth so... start packing kids.

http://www.enn.com/ecosystems/article/30402/print

2/10/2008 02:28:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

GGG said, or rather repeated:

"More pressing is the fact that there's only 20 years of freshwater (latest study in Science) left on Earth so... start packing kids."

Nonsense. There's plenty of potable water.

"With water difficulties surely to keep mounting, remember that 7/10 of the planet is water. This seems ideal to solve all water difficulties and do many other issues simultaneously.

The Mad Genius from the Bottom of the Sea

Unlimited energy. Fast-growing fruit. Free air-conditioning. John Piña Craven says we can have it all by tapping the icy waters of the deep.

By Carl Hoffman

Feature:
The Mad Genius from the Bottom of the Sea
Plus:
Creating a Deep-Sea Oasis on Dry Land

Halfway through an important lunch meeting in Kona, Hawaii, with the lieutenant governor of the Northern Mariana Islands, John Piña Craven is suddenly restless. The topic under discussion is Craven's plan to use cold water pumped up from the deep ocean to provide low-cost and environmentally sustainable power, water, and food to a new residential and commercial development in the Marianas, a chain of islands some 3,000 miles to the west...."


rest at:
http://commodityecology.blogspot.com/2007/06/32-potable-liquids.html

2/10/2008 02:54:00 AM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

OK I post a NEW study in the journal Science and you repost an old infomercial by -- not a scientist -- but a businessman. Please.

Deep Ocean Water - $5/Bottle
June 1 | Taipei Times

Deep seawater has become Hawaii’s biggest foreign export and largest food-product export. Four businesses exported $37 million worth of bottled seawater last year, most of it sent to Japan and sold for about $5 US per bottle. This desalinated deep sea water is advertised as being 100% pure and free from any type of contamination. A pure and nutrient-rich drink. Is it worth 10,000x the cost of tap water and the environmental impact of production, bottling and shipping?

2/10/2008 04:37:00 AM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Of course if I could pretend the deep ocean cold water currents weren't dramatically declined due to industrial global warming, maybe I too could also harness the apocalypse for a quick buck. Ah the U.S. dream!

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8398

2/10/2008 05:06:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Yes, I'm aware of that article. I've read it before actually. Though what I posted is not harnessing the 'currents.' It's harnessing heat differentials. From the link:

"His grand plan could come across as a bar-stool fantasy, but it's already won $75 million from Alpha Pacific, a Memphis, Tennessee, venture capital firm, and $1.5 million in federal funds. Craven hopes that within a year, bulldozers will begin clearing land on Saipan and engineers will start sinking a pipe to pump icy water from the ocean depths to produce electricity and freshwater. And back in Kona, Craven expects to use cold-water agriculture to transform five acres of otherwise barren lava fields into the world's most productive vineyard. "The economics are absurd," he boasts. "Once we prove the technology on Saipan, imagine what it could do for places like Haiti!"

Hear that, Surrender? He's got Haiti on his mind. Give the guy a call.

It's not harnessing the apocalypse for a quick buck. I'll leave that up to Bechtel making it illegal to collect rainwater in Cochabamba, Bolivia, a year ago--before they were thrown out. That's closer to what you are talking about, not this.

This is called social responsibility to provide solutions for social issues--and those will be material and economic to be durable technical solutions.

Come on, GGG, even you claim to be involved in water activism. How can you not be intrigued.

Harnessing the apocalypse for a quick buck is dependent upon keeping the apocalypse and scarcity fixated in place in people's minds--which I challenge that more in the line of what mystical gurus do. Harnessing the apocalypse and solving it is a whole different thing. Break open the head, as they say, GGG. Transcend this blanket statement about all economics. pettiness. Your paradigm could use some shifting.

I can understand your mysticism, GGG, though not what I see as your misanthropy.

2/10/2008 06:57:00 AM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Oh PPPUUHH-lease! "harnassing heat differentials" yet NOT "harnassing the currents"?

Does anyone here fall for this nonsense.

O.K. so fucking with the ocean temperature gradients on a massive industrial scale will not:

1) cause a mass kill off of ocean ecology, thereby further destroying the already threatened fish species and their reliance on zooplankton, etc.

2) further the global warming fiasco due to already fucked up "thermal differentials" from previous idiotic techno-fix schemes.

Dude -- change the name of your blog. Have you even taken an ecology class before? I think this all started with CIA-funded Gregory Bateson's book "Ecology of the mind" b.s.

Ecology of the Tao of the Massive Raping of the Ocean -- aloha!

2/10/2008 07:33:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

I think you have some points there though careful O self-proclaimed guru. My intention was not to spawn hatred of which it seems you have several lifetimes to still work out.

I'm not convinced you are arguing rationally since you didn't seem to know the mechanism of a heat pump (can based on heat differentials, not necessarily currents of anything--much less scales of their effects or draw that would effect oceanic currents)--from pumping your vagus nerve.

Back to my point. Economics, technology, etc., is what you do with it. Your view is almost doctrinaire (even fatalistic apocalyptic-loving) Marxist I think. However, there are better human relations with some technologies than others, instead of these blanket statements against it all.

Since 7/10th of the world is water, your statement that water is running out was a little hysterical. That's where this started, and that's all I wanted to say. What we're running out of is well-fitted technical (and political) solutions to particular areas. That man's ideas seem to offer rather decentralized solutions that could be tailored to a de-gridded supply of energy, and regular water supply for the several billion without it. Though if the guru ghoul doesn't like it, however slippery slope his argument and I think not valid, by all means let's make the ghoul happy and consign billions to apocalypse.

Do you have solutions for your water activism? I'd like to hear it. If not, why do you call yourself an activist? Is it something to do with a superiority complex or do you actively search for solutions to do something, you know, for other people?

Your incapacity to argue civilly with anyone is still clear unfortunately, so par for the course in my attempt which will end here.

Just one last comment. You think you are so transcendent? Don't scream so much. Practice peace onto others, instead of only yourself as you are accustomed (as I gather from your insular posts), and you'll be surprised at the benefits. I don't think that's a discipline you seek to accomplish though.

Goodbye. I'll let someone else talk to the ghoulish. One thing you should have is a little shame for your wasted potentials I think many have commented on before.

2/10/2008 10:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Full Lotus said...

Since 7/10th of the world is water, your statement that water is running out was a little hysterical. That's where this started, and that's all I wanted to say.

That's not what he said. He said:

More pressing is the fact that there's only 20 years of freshwater (latest study in Science) left on Earth so... start packing kids.

They're not the same thing and you know it. 7/10's of the earth may be water, but the majority of that is not potable, and the potable portion that is easily extracted is diminishing at an exponential rate due to ridiculous standards of living for 1st world countries and an ever-increasing number of people aspiring to that ridiculous standard of living around the world. Your suggestions for making non-potable water potable, and extracting currently difficult to extract potable water seems hardly scalable to meet this burgeoning demand. Sorry Mark, but this absurd Western lifestyle has to, and will end. It is doomed to failure, and in fact one could argue that is its intention. It was designed to self-destruct and that process is upon us. Our way of life is not based on female form awareness and therefore is not in harmony with Gaia and the universe and is not sustainable. Our system is a heresy, an apostasy. It's complete folly to expect different results from this fatally flawed system devoid of female form awareness.

2/10/2008 11:21:00 AM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

BTW the author of the "Orgasmic Diet" recommends this posture:

http://www.estronaut.com/a/coital_align_technique.htm

She's a math major from Brown -- very nice, as well.

2/10/2008 11:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi, new poster but longtime lurker here.
I've been reading the argument between Mark & GGG, and, not trying to be a fatalist here, but this project being undertaken by John Craven smells a little fishy. I looked at the article in your blog, Mark, & some alarm bells went of for me.
Mr Craven stated in that article that he 'fully intends for CHC to be a multi-billion dollar company'.
Maybe the man has good intentions (highly doubtful), I don't know.
I saw something interesting in that article about who is going to be designing these underwater pipes for CHC.
Stephen Oney, VP for Ocean Engineering and Energy Systems in Honolulu 'recently linked a deal with the Pentagon to build an ocean thermal energy conversion power plant for a US naval base on the Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia'.
If I remember correctly, I read an obscure little article, from the BBC website, I think, shortly after that huge tsunami that occurred in the Indian Ocean & devastated the coastlines there. The only Island that wasn't affected was Diego Garcia, & they were the only ones warned warned, of all places, from Hawaii. I'm going to see if I can find that link again & I'll post it.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, Mark, I've found your posts rather interesting (especially the one on InfraGuard).
But I'm a little disturbed when I hear things like this because I don't think it's benign. Clearing parts of Saipan with a bulldozer & sinking large pipes in the ocean doesn't sound environmentally sound.

2/10/2008 01:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's the link. It was the Guardian, not BBC, my mistake.
www.guardian.co.uk/tsunami/story/0,15671,1385102,00.html

2/10/2008 02:05:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

"doesn't sound environmentally sound...

I'll tell you what doesn't sound humanistically or ethically sound. So you're with GGG and fatalistically consigning around 2 billion people without potable water to a lack of solution, simply because you don't think this one technology is decentralizable? Or that you consider that all technologies by (tautological?) definition harm the environment?

I'm not arguing that one technology fits all. See, here's more if you want to look into the whole Brown's Gas section here. Fascinating technology there.

http://commodityecology.blogspot.com/2007/06/34-energy.html

About the original tech of Mr. Craven, I'm saying it's just a fascinating example of mixing water potability, decentralization of energy, etc., all in one, for the nearly half the planet that doesn't have safe water.

It's application doesn't have to be huge desalination/energy plants (even if they do run virtually for free and without pollution, so what's the problem). That's a choice whether they are implemented in large scale or small decentralized scale. I can't imagine Mr. Craven building massive scale versions in Haiti...

and from someone else:

"They're not the same thing and you know it. 7/10's of the earth may be water, but the majority of that is not potable,..."

It's a non-issue if potability technology becomes virtually free and decentralized. I don't know why it's important to get hung up on reifying apocalypse. I guess it's easier to fatalistically accept it?

and another quote:

"the majority of that is not potable, and the potable portion that is easily extracted is diminishing at an exponential rate due to ridiculous standards of living for 1st world countries and an ever-increasing number of people aspiring to that ridiculous standard of living around the world."

Same non-sequitur once more. And no, that's wedded to a populationist argument that doesn't wash unless you think that individual consumption is tied directly to the environment and environmental degradation. Instead, there is the touchy variable that has always messed up the Malthusian ideologues: in the middle of that relationship it's called distributional issues, and that is dependent upon different technologies, different material choices, and social political issues--some arrangements more benign or even remediative than others.

Actually, 'teeming billions' so called get by on far less blame than the 'teeming millions' with exorbitant lifestyles in the few decentralized global cities of the world. However, the mid-variables that are highly politicized are still the issue and not this direct causality between population and environmental degradation.

Besides, second, poof goes that argument, world population in many countries is really below replacement now.

Third, you ignore lots of demographic transitions that change this so called "permanent exponentionalism" (sic) as well. That's only been talked about for ah 40 years or so.

Even the U.N. was forced to update their more Malthusian models about a decade ago, according to an article I read by Stewart Brand (ex-publisher of the Whole Earth Catalogue). People are reacting to the Construct and not the more complicated reality, though the Construct tells them still what do to policy wise (if anything) about environmental degradation.

However, the fact that populationism doesn't wash is just too good of a data leap or admittal to spring such jarring mental expectations of change upon the masses.

Populationism and Malthusianist ideas serve empires so well. They basically are forms of self-inoculation by elite ideology to fatalism. Many anti-humanistic greens (not all are so) are quite willing to keep expectations low. I get into some of that here:

Sunday, February 25, 2007
Humanist Greens of the Bioregional State, Unite! A Contrast to Anti-Humanist Green Anarchy Solutions
http://biostate.blogspot.com/2007/02/humanist-greens-of-bioregional-state.html

and here:

Sunday, September 23, 2007
The Bioregional State and the Three Ring Circus of Big Tent Environmentalism
http://biostate.blogspot.com/2007/09/bioregional-state-and-three-ring-circus.html

The point of artificially/ideologically lowered expectations--wrapped in the imprimatur of so called empirical science--was the point from Malthus. Originally, he was writing a political essay against Condorcet and Godwin and the French Revolution) and not really merely a dispassionate non-ideological argument. The BEIC global corporate empire loved his "ideological empiricism" so much as a political argument, they hired Malthus immediately and he became the first Chair of Political Economy in Britain where he stamped out all the next 180 years of populationist thought and pro-private property stinginess as the salvation to everything ("science had proven it"TM, said the BEIC), while lambasting the aid of the poor toward common universal standards was seen as "upsetting the balance of nature" as foolish (and of course wealth of the people involved, closer to the truth). Such Malthusian Construct policy/ideologies set a record for the number of politically introduced famines around the world under the shadow of the British Empire since famines followed from the policies of the empire and not from "timeless neutral population/environmental relationships" [See Mike Davis's book Late Victorian Holocausts, for example; Nobel Prize winner Amartya Sen in his Poverty and Famines: An Essay on Entitlement (1983) goes more theoretically into more current 20th century examples of this lack of entitlement and famines--challenging the economic primacy of Constructs such as those with direct human-environmental relationships and causality about famine and environmental degradation. It's closer to an issue of entitlement and jurisdiction over food and your own life in the eyes of the state and your capacity to influence that state than "natural cycles" (the argument of the overseers).

However, populationism is quite a convenient doctrine to hold if you wanted to kill off your opposition and inure them to self-lowered expectations--though it ain't necessarily so, as they say. It's just a mental fog.

Besides, given various forms of ecological modernization and closed loop or zero pollution cycles (many low or zero-impact which are found working themselves out at Commodity Ecology), economic expansion or simply basic needs provisioning is not in all cases connected to environmental degradation. In some cases, it goes against environmental degradation to do so! For instance, look at an article in The Ecologist (2003) "Rainforest Saver", where soil cycles, agriculture, fuel, foddering, and other crops have been put together by British ecologist Mike Hands in a small scale land tenure arrangement of alley cropping in trees, that stops rainforest destruction of such populations in Latin America by raising their standard of living instead of artifically and passively lowering it. Or look at Venezuela's laws about cutting down on allowing large international fleets of fishers to take its coastal fish and expanding small fisherman durability and basic access in the process.

My point is that there have always been solutions. The people who would convince you otherwise have billions of dollars to spend on propaganda to the contrary to keep you down and in a mental fog.

Update this 1800s ideology from Malthus and the BEIC people there to the present, unchanged. It's a whole different world, and always has been.

"Good Morning, and good luck."

2/10/2008 03:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Mentirosa said...

'Positively' put this billion dollar buta out of her PSYOP misery.

Oprah and Friends to teach course on New Age Christ

Oprah Winfrey will be letting out all the stops on her XM Satellite Radio program this coming year. Beginning January 1, 2008, “Oprah & Friends” will offer a year-long course on the New Age teachings of A Course in Miracles.1 A lesson a day throughout the year will completely cover the 365 lessons from the Course in Miracles “Workbook.”

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By the end of the year, “Oprah & Friends” listeners will have completed all of the lessons laid out in the Course in Miracles Workbook. Those who finish the Course will have a wholly redefined spiritual mindset—a New Age worldview that includes the belief that there is no sin, no evil, no devil, and that God is “in” everyone and everything. A Course in Miracles teaches its students to rethink everything they believe about God and life. The Course Workbook bluntly states: “This is a course in mind training”5 and is dedicated to “thought reversal.”6

2/10/2008 06:41:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

That's not what he said. He said:

"More pressing is the fact that there's only 20 years of freshwater (latest study in Science) left on Earth so... start packing kids.

They're not the same thing and you know it. 7/10's of the earth may be water, but the majority of that is not potable, and the potable portion that is easily extracted is diminishing at an exponential rate due to ridiculous standards of living for 1st world countries and an ever-increasing number of people aspiring to that ridiculous standard of living around the world."

I see why you may want to stick to the female formless awareness bit Drew. Stray too far and folk may see into your fatalistic mind set. The validity of your shtick relates to its ability to provide and define solutions, (for more than just you).

anon.11:02

Jus remember, you can look but you cannot touch. Correction: My bro saw the UFO in 79, VERY large and up close, quick exit.

Thanks mentarosa, American Dream deconstructs these New Age psyops quite well over on the forum.

2/11/2008 06:38:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

YTMND

2/11/2008 09:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sounder's a mysogynist. he is threatened by female form awareness. he has homosexual tendencies and responds homoerotically when confronted with the female form. he's a typical western male unnecessarily constrained by his ego jockstrap.

2/11/2008 09:42:00 AM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Mark, that was kind of an interesting read. It'll be a race over the next few years between groups attempting to produce and distribute water at a public level and those who would like to include drinking water control as part of an emerging global 'hydraulic empire'.

New and effective water or energy production and distribution systems will be the subject of constant attack by our highest powers as we all try to move forward in these critical areas. It seems sometimes like we have an autoimmune disorder as a species.

Then again maybe the suppression of new technology by power elites provides a necessary brake upon development, allowing revolutionary technological changes to have some buffer time. Perhaps if we got too good at extracting water, our species would expand too quickly again. As you pointed out, population growth is stabilizing and even reversing here and there on the planet.

If we changed that by obtaining free water and energy, we might just come across a genetic self-destruct engineered into us by Earth's pushy genome - of which we are part. Not saying I really like the idea of freezing in the dark or being blown up or whatever in the face unnecessary scarcity or war engineered by our masters, but hey - it might be a good thing in the long run. We may be proceeding at the maximum rate allowed by our design. Best to take it slow.

A funny thing I've noticed is that people who get on about the dangers and costs of major public water projects tend to work for bottled water companies. I particularly like the little plastic bottles of tap water I came across at the Starbuck's on our last Vancouver trip, each one evangelizing about African environmental destruction and promising somehow that drinking the stuff would 'help Mbebe get fresh, clean water' or the like. A likely story.

It's the same with the energy/resource people - the fellows who would like to tell you what kind of lightbulb you are morally and legally obliged to buy are simply interested in creating the idea and reality of controlled scarcity. How many crappy fluorescent lightbulbs does one F-18 sortie work out to?

It would be nice if we eventually reached a stable point between animal-level ecosystem integration and genetic and technological growth as a species. I don't see that coming this week, though, so while admitting my utmost species bias, I would say my vote's with plentiful drinking water and energy for humans, with giant ugly pipes if needed.

Thirsty for planetary dominion,
Lord Reptor.

2/11/2008 11:34:00 AM  
Blogger middleworld said...

Jeff-
I’m still cogitating on your thinking, more specifically the change in your thinking over the last year. It seems you are now more outraged at Alex Jones than the purveyors of deep politics. Conflating The Britney Spectacle with the Hillary-Obama show seems to me the shallowest form of sophistry. You seem to be saying that everything is pre-ordained and controlled by aliens. You believe that “Most responsibility rests with the broken subjects of America's broken media” But just before that you said it wasn’t broken, that it was doing exactly what it should be doing. I mean a stinking hot pile of Bill O’Reilly’s shit is equal to Abbey Road? It’s all just energy, man. Are you for real? You can’t think of anything US Cable news could be doing other than Britney? How fucking hip is that?

You can’t get outraged at VOTE FRAUD? That must be a symptom of depression. If not then it’s some new cynical pose you have adopted. If “they” are committing fraud it is for a reason. If children are lied to and abused, is it the child’s fault? When the good Monsignor rapes an altar boy, whose fault is it? Jesus’s?

It seems you would rather believe in 16th century tales of bi-location in the service of colonists and murderers than in the possibility of a moral perspective on contemporary society. Why throw out the moral perspective? Why not at least believe in both? Is it that the slender possibility of the Maria de Jesus Agreda story being true, is telling you that the Church really must be the good guys and therefore we should all just go with the fascist flow? There must be a more subtle way of viewing the slim chance that her story is true. Is the emotional breakdown yours? I certainly could see why. You’ve been staring harder than almost anyone at the nastiest cultural nightmares. You’ve been pushed to the limit.

“If the Spears' drama distracts from the Audacity of Remulak, then perhaps, when you think about it, it's not such a bad thing.”
You mean the Coneheads? Britney is distracting us from the Coneheads?


“The salvation-model politics of hope and change finds its happy opposite in the doomsong of Alex Jones, for whom martial law is always one broadcast away. Both come from the same fraudulent dichotomy of salvation and damnation, in which the future redemption or Armageddon never quite arrives. The harder truth may be that this is our destination. And they're not coming for us; they're here already, and they've always had us.”

Every dichotomy is fraudulent Jeff. It’s all energy, man. So Alex Jones=US Cable News=Hillary Clinton=Rigorous Intuition?

You’ve done a lot of hard work here Jeff, over the years, and you seem to be afraid to face your own conclusions. I know you can’t change anything with a blog, but you have opened a lot of minds that you seem just as intent on closing now. Fuck it, the aliens are in charge? Isn’t that another false dichotomy to free will? Moral political viewpoint and action is meaningless? I mean where do you think this is going? Aren’t there just as many stories of peaceful aliens that are concerned with our planets’ future as there are of evil aliens that want to eat us, or whatever it is we are being cultivated for?

What about stories of angelic beings? Don’t believe in that shit I guess. How about Near Death Experiences? Don’t believe in that shit. Miracle cures fostered by prayer? Give me a break. But exo-political cannibalist DNA seeders, now there is something to consider.

I don’t mean to sound so harsh, but I’m excitable and a little worked up, because I’m disappointed. I think you are depressed and like I said, that is easy to understand. But you are still very smart, and it seems like you aren’t really thinking anything through anymore. You seem intent on spreading hopelessness and fear, instead of solid information on the control system.

Why? Are “they” just too strong now? Maybe they got that way through vote fraud, among other things. Like wearing masks and fooling gullible innocents.

God bless and good luck.

2/11/2008 12:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Matthias said...

I agree with Jeff. It's hopeless. It doesn't get any better than this. Just accept it you moronic white men.

Definition of a scientist - a man who understands nothing until there was nothing left to understand.

The end. The end of all you done. You see, none of it was real. It was illusion. Your art, your science, it was all a nightmare. And now it's done. Finished. My brethren, our task is nearly complete. He was the last of those who brought the punishment to us. We have cleansed and purged his world. Now we must build.

2/11/2008 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Middleworld, I wouldn't say Jeff's being such a downer. It's at least diverting reading. Besides, why not experiment with despair? It's as appropriate a response to the universe as joy. Anyway, I did like the spacesuit guy in the photos. The juxtaposition with all that out-of-body stuff led to some enjoyable speculations for me.

Maybe the next post will be all upbeat and stuff. I'll probably read it anyway.

As to getting excited about vote fraud - a matter of taste. Voting has been pretty much mechanized and fully controlled since at least the 70's. Prior to that, I'm sure that centrally organizing federal vote fraud was just as much fun with paper and dice as it is on the computer.

What's amazing is that any decent politicians penetrate at all (well, Dr. Paul's about the first I've seen, and I'm sure I can be fooled like the next guy anyway).

I kinda wonder if there's another little false dichotomy set up behind the Hillary/Obama level - i.e., if the breakdown of deceit structures continues to the point of revolution in the U.S., will there be a choice of flavours of revolution? Has it already been gamed to six sigmas for colours, phrases, and key memes? What fun.

Perhaps Jeff has discovered the deeper truth, been captured, and is working out his last days as an ideological slave of the amphibians, spreading misery to all the dangerously intelligent minds here. Maybe that's why his posts seem funny - he's aware of the froggy doom that awaits us.


Warmbloodedly (honest),
Lord Reptor.

2/11/2008 02:02:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Hah! Out of the woodwork they come! Matthias is obviously one of the amphibian horde. They've been contacting me too, with their messages of despair.


Frog's legs to you all,
Lord Reptor.

2/11/2008 02:06:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

OK just for fun let's take "Marko Rodin" another Hawaii techno-fix Stargate Conspiracy dude (yes he was on Art Bell).

http://www.rodinmath.com/

So he supposedly has figured out the secret of the yin-yang symbol but his technology relies on QUANTUM mechanics (just like Schauberger or Tesla).

Rodin uses rational numbers applied to the tai-chi symbol and then makes a vortex out of that secret "law of three" using numerology. Then his technology relies on quantum math that is based on IRRATIONAL numbers (not rational).

So, as I've stated before, because of Type III Nonlocality (Nadeau and Kafatos), there's an inherent dependency on the technology in order to verify the quantum results, but because the technology relies on irrational geometry, against the complementary opposite harmonics in Taoism, the technology is INHERENTLY destructive of ecology.

Ecology means "study of home" but in traditional cultures the forest means mind -- like in the South Pacific -- WAHL is forest as mind. What ecology literally means is the study of OHM because when the forest is your home then sound is your dominant perception.

Number is separate from geometry -- that's the secret of both Taoism and Pythagorean harmonics. The source of sound, through the logic of complementary opposite harmonics, is female formless awareness. Rodin is trying to return to pure number but he's still dependent on form as irrational number -- more precisely irrational geometry.

The same problem happened when Charles Madden wanted to publish me. He has books published on fractals and music and he's a physicist. Quantum chaos math is dependent on symmetry as logical axioms -- even though quantum logic defies the commutative property through the uncertainty principle. To test the infinite potential of quantum consciousness the technology relies on classical, irrational mathematics relying on symmetric axioms. So in Charles Madden's book he notes that the Tai Chi symbol is not a fractal because it is not symmetric -- why -- because the yin and yang symbol are different colors. In fact yin is 3:4 and yang is 2:3 as nonwestern music harmonics -- and this is again why fractals are not ecology as well, nor is the systems theory of Gregory Bateson (although at least he know the answered was to be found in Pythagorean philosophy).

Stephen Hawking's new book, "When God Made the Integars" hones in on this secret as he notes for Vedic math the geometry was considered always rational, or symmetrical, while the number, as rational fractions, was considered infinite as time. Western math turned this around stating that the Pythagorean 1-1 triangle is irrational -- as geometry -- and therefore the number as rational fraction, or harmonic ratio, can now be made as an infinite symbol, the irrational fraction, the square root of two. So it's a paradox because the 1-1 triangle LOOKS symmetrical but in fact the West says it isn't -- but the numbers in the West, as logical axioms, must be symmetric. The result is destruction of the harmony of ecology (which is maintained by resonating with female formless awareness as asymmetric, complimentary opposites).

So in Western math there must be symmetry of the visual logical axioms (see math professor Ian Stewart's new book "Why Truth is Beauty: A history of symmetry). But the results are asymmetric geometry -- destruction of the harmony of ecology. Taoism is based on the opposite -- asymmetric logic, using complementary opposites as pure number or logical inference with the results being harmony of space or form.

That's why the techno-fix won't work but yet it will be relied on as pure geometry (inventions without real math, like Tesla or Schauberger) since it's a projection of what I call "tantric technology" through what I call "the surplus value of consciousness."

2/11/2008 02:35:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

What "else" won't happen in the bathtub? Unless of course you're a "really" good singer! haha

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080131161804.htm

2/11/2008 03:51:00 PM  
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2/11/2008 07:35:00 PM  
Anonymous beaver ruin said...

drew, what do you make of this latest trend of women shaving their pussies bald? talk about female formless and asymmetry. pythagorean beaver pelts are a thing of the past and this poster weeps. surely this is a signal that the end is near and we have lost our way. bring back the pink mink.

2/11/2008 07:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Great Galactic Ghoul's Girlfriend said...

drew, what do you make of this latest trend of women shaving their pussies bald?


My baby shaves his little one bald too, you know why?


"When in GGGG, do as GGGG does."

2/11/2008 08:39:00 PM  
Anonymous TotenTosser said...

Go to Hell

In celebration of Christmas, there was a potluck lunch at the capitol. Members of Arnold’s staff cooked for one another, and then -- because they were members of Arnold’s staff -- judged one another, rating each dish. It was a celebration and a competition, and when Arnold stood up to speak after being introduced by Susan Kennedy as “the greatest governor in the history of California,” he said he liked the annual event because it was a competition: “I like it when there are winners, and I especially like it when there are losers.“

And then he called an aide to his side and whispered a question in his ear: “What is his name?”

“Johnny Masterson,” the aide answered. And then Arnold called Johnny Masterson to come up and stand with him near the Christmas tree, introducing him as “my new cochief of staff. Johnny’s my buddy, because he is working out. Would you do something for us, Johnny? Would you flex for us for just a second. . . .”

Johnny was a small man with dark hair, a mail-room employee with Down’s syndrome. Gamely and shyly, he flexed, and then, in an impulsive gesture, he threw his arms around his boss. But he wasn’t big enough to hold him, his arms weren’t long enough to encompass him, and Arnold suddenly looked huge, with Johnny’s small hands clutching at the wings of his shoulders and Johnny’s face pressed against his chest. And I thought: Okay, he’s gotten away with this, too. He’s gotten away with not knowing Johnny’s name, he’s gotten away with pretending he did, he’s gotten away with the performance of compassion, and this was why he was good at politics. And then I looked at him, and I looked at them, and realized he’d gotten away with nothing. The disparity of scale he experienced with Johnny Masterson was what he experienced with just about everyone his entire life. It wasn’t what made him transcendent; it was what he had to transcend, and now that’s exactly what he went about doing, with the sheer size of his embrace.

2/11/2008 09:55:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

The stage-manager, or Daimon*, offers his actor an inherited scenario, the Body of Fate, and a Mask or role as unlike as possible to his natural ego or Will, and leaves him to improvise through his Creative Mind the dialogue and details of the plot.

– A Vision, by William Butler Yeats



The scheme of the Four Faculties is an arbitrary way of describing four types of memories, four different aspects of the principle of memory:

Memories from this present lifetime (i.e. the thought forms of this present personal history) make up WILL. This is what we access in recapitulation.

Will together with the memories of all probable realities related to this lifetime make up BODY OF FATE. This is what we access in probable reality progressions.

Body of Fate together with memories of all of an individual's past and future lives make up MASK. This is what we access in past life regressions.

Mask together with memories of all human beings in all their incarnations make up CREATIVE MIND, or collective unconscious. This is what we access in listening to the Voices of our Ancestors.



By the word "memories" is meant memory traces: moods or predispositions or predilections – or better said, grooves. These are coded in our very molecules.



The Four Faculties symbolize four levels of motivation in everyday life – four levels from which a person may act in making everyday decisions. Decisions made in one lifetime affect all lifetimes. Every decision impinges on the totality; and the totality impinges on every decision. Every decision ever made affects and is affected by an infinitude of lifetimes in an eternal Now moment.



When not affected by the other Faculties [Will] has neither emotion, morality, nor intellectual interest, but knows how things are done, how windows open and shut, how roads are crossed, everything that we call utility. It seeks its own continuance.

Body of Fate, the series of events forced upon him from without, is shaped out of the Daimon's memory of the events of his past incarnations; his Mask or object of desire or idea of the good, out of its memory of the moments of exaltation in his past lives; his Will or normal ego out of its memory of all the events of his present life, whether consciously remembered or not; his Creative Mind from its memory of ideas – or universals – displayed by actual men in past lives, or their spirits between lives.

– A Vision



Will is the socially conditioned person who is awakened by the alarm clock and goes to the bathroom and showers and dresses and has breakfast and goes to work etc. etc. every day. It includes the prejudices, mores, and taken-for-granted assumptions of the person's social group; and it is driven primarily by fear and anger. Will is the robot which is wholly governed by routines and knee-jerk responses; which has given up personal feelings and choices to do what is expected by society and to submit to the daily grind. Will is the Daimon's level of social conditioning: the good citizen who will go to heaven when he or she dies. It's the level of approval and approbation, of our expectations, of what we are seeing when we primp ourselves in front of our mirrors, of our reflection in the eyes of other people. It's both our "goodness" or our "phoniness", depending on how you want to look at it.

The 28 lunar phase types in the astrological horoscope** refer specifically to Will: the socialized person, the one who has asked no questions but has bought into society's ready-made solutions willy-nilly. Will manifests through a conviction of rectitude; hence it is completely self-centered and self-important. Decisions made on the level of Will usually do not take into account other people's viewpoints, or much sense of responsibility for ultimate consequences. They are animated principally by hiding shame (slinking from an embarrassing past) and seeking personal glory (striving for a fantasized future).



Body of Fate is the part of the Daimon which gazes outside the classroom window on a spring day – it's the person's wistful longings, ideals, and romance; his or her daydreams and fantasies. It is on a level of Body of Fate that we connect to others: on a level of Will other people are just there to serve or impede the purposes of the lower self. Body of Fate relates to other people in both negative (expectations) and positive (affection and unselfishness) ways. Body of Fate refers to openness to new experience, willingness to take into consideration hunches and intuitive guidance – echoes from other probable realities – and also other people's points of view. When Body of Fate predominates over Will people are willing to take risks and to fly with their impulses; and also to take other people's feelings into account.

Body of Fate is the mood of a particular lifetime in all its probable realities. It's the level of empowerment in our own right, apart from what other people think about us. The more people let their choices be made for them by others, the more their Will dominates their Body of Fate. The more they follow their own hearts, the more their Body of Fate – or individual destiny – will dominate Will (the expectations of society and other people). When you act from your Body of Fate level is when you are the most daring, resourceful, intuitive, and romantic.

Note that the Body of Fate is what is shown by the astrological horoscope: the horoscope reveals the Daimon's highest (and lowest) potentials in a given lifetime. Attempts to use the natal horoscope to describe Will – the precise sequence of thought form decisions which make up our personal history in this present lifetime – often lead to incorrect predictions. The birth horoscope of the Daimon is valid for all of his or her probable realities rather than for any particular one of them. The birth horoscope shows tendencies, propensities, possibilities; but not facts (although sometimes these can be intuited by a psychic astrologer). All probable realities for a particular lifetime start from the same birth moment: they are all variations on a theme begun at the same moment in time. Both Will and Body of Fate begin from this same birth moment. Mask, by contrast, has neither beginning nor end.



Mask is the Daimon's sense of personal significance: whatever dreams, hopes, ambitions the person holds in his or her heart of hearts Where Body of Fate operates on a level of mind, Mask operates more on a level of feeling; where Body of Fate connects the Daimon to other people in individual relationships, Mask connects the Daimon to other people in group relationships. Mask includes the person's responsibilities, loyalties, dedication, competence, and feeling of social duty, which are offered voluntarily out of a sense of connectedness to nature and to future generations. Mask is not a level of fantasies but of purpose: it seeks to understand what is worth living for and what is worth dying for. This is a weightier part of the Daimon than Will or Body of Fate. Mask refers to a moral sense – a sense not so much of social responsibility (Body of Fate) as of responsibility to truth, to one's own heart. Mask is what leads people to stand up for what they know is right in the face of certain rejection or death. Where Will is lower self, Mask is higher self; and Body of Fate is like an intermediary between these two. Mask is the ultimate individualized part of the Daimon (memory above this level – Creative Mind – is no longer individualized but shared amongst all humans). Mask is what you discover when you run a lot of past life regressions and come to know the feel of who "you" are in your totality; of what you keep coming back in human form to accomplish; the overall mood which informs the totality of your past and future lives.

When you act on your Mask level you understand that everything that happens to you is a lesson and has an ultimate purpose. Mask is a level of irony and ultimate acceptance.



Creative Mind is the part of the Daimon capable of awe and wonder. It is the most humble and self-effacing aspect of the Daimon: a feeling for the sacred and holy, whether this be considered a matter of patriotism, religious devotion, or philosophical meditation. Creative Mind is what we have termed the Voices of the Ancestors – our role in the panorama of human evolution and history. It has nothing to do with us as individuals but has everything to do with our true purpose in incarnating on this earth at this time. It is – as Desiderata put it – our right to be here. It is our feeling of connection to an ongoing process that unites us to the eternal. Creative Mind is our sense of solidarity with the human race. Creative Mind is like a wind that blows across the earth and orients all people this way or that. It's like the mood of the times – the Zeitgeist – the unfolding of human experience as directed by the spirits of our ancestors; and also each individual's personal adaptation to this Gestalt. It is precisely because our society has lost its ability to listen to the Voices of the Ancestors that it no longer cares about future generations or our mother, the earth. When you act from the level of your Creative Mind you feel obligated to put something back for the good of the planet or other people. You understand that it's not about you; not at all.



The point is that a person's moment-to-moment decisions in any lifetime are made on one or the other of these four levels. For most people, 99.9% of decisions are made on the basis of Will, or socially-conditioned actions and reactions. But every now and then everyone has affecting moments – moments of consciousness or conscience or conscientiousness – when they sense that probable realities are branching off this way or that; or they can feel echoes from other lifetimes and realities; or they obey voices from deep inside them. At these poignant moments people feel connected to something deeper than their usual everyday routines and habits; and that something is their true purpose in this lifetime.

The Four Faculties are four stages in the evolution of human consciousness. Ancient humans were principally acting on a level of Creative Mind. Ancient people were far less individuated than we modern humans are. The descent into individuation (what we term "separatedness") through Mask, Body of Fate, and finally Will is a process of increasing isolation, disconnectedness, and alienation (this is what the cycle of 28 lunar phases describes). The process of socialization is a matter of increased screening out of available information in order to focus with greater intensity and control on an individual lower self. As awareness decreases, self-reflection is heightened and the individual comes to feel more and more isolated in a lower self and cut off from any sense of belonging to something greater than the lower self.

Life purpose – which is what is shown by the symbolism of the 28 phases of the moon, i.e., the struggle towards (from Phase 1 to Phase 15) and back (from Phase 15 to Phase 1) from individuation-separatedness-isolation is a matter of Will. That's the focus, the level on which each individual decision is made. That's why Will is placed at the apex of the inverted cone diagram – it represents the Now moment. It's the fulcrum point, the place of conscious awareness in most beings. Will is everyday life – what most people jocularly refer to as "reality".

The point of magical training, such as listening to the Voices of our Ancestors (Creative Mind); running past lives (Mask), probable realities (Body of Fate), and recapitulation (Will), is to expand conscious awareness to include the three higher faculties as well as Will by connecting to the feelings of these thought forms. Most people are consciously aware in their daily lives only of Will: they make their daily choices based wholly upon the thought forms of a particular life history (their social training and adaptation to same). Most people don't understand that thought forms – the things which happen to them – are beside the point, and actually don't matter in the least. Events are merely symbols for feelings. If we can feel the feelings directly then we can activate our higher Faculties in the Now moment. When the higher Faculties can be brought to bear on the Now moment, then it is possible to make more intelligent decisions in the Now moment than can be made using the Faculty of Will alone. Will is a definition of self which involves very little reflection or intelligence – it's a level of knee-jerk reactivity.

Actually, each Faculty – each level – is a more and more expanded view of the Now moment. The Now moment is a feeling – that's all it is. And that feeling is the product of infinite interactions on infinite levels. Just as on a level of quotidian life we arbitrarily divide our consciousness into three parts – waking, dreaming, and dreamless sleep – so too on a more encompassing level of our being we divide our consciousness into four parts: personal life history, sum total of probable realities for a lifetime, sum total of past and future lives, and sum total of human experience.

This is all merely a manner of speaking, of making sense out of the senseless. There aren't any "Faculties" out there in the real world; this is just a way of speaking about the unspeakable, of dividing chaos into four arbitrary categories.

Nor are there really three levels of quotidian consciousness; it can't be divided up as neatly as we are accustomed to thinking. We are accustomed to believing that there is a big difference between waking and dreaming, but from a light fiber point of view – i.e. seen from the point of view of the feelings involved – we are only really awake when we are thinking. If we are not thinking, we are actually dreaming, whether our bodies are nominally awake or not. The point is that there are no hard and fast division lines between waking, dreaming, and dreamless sleep: they shade into one another. It's merely our prejudice that seems to keep them distinct – our prejudice to believe that what we experience when we are awake is real and what we experience when we are dreaming is unreal. As we are able to activate our higher Faculties in our quotidian lives more and more – which means feeling the underlying feelings of everyday life instead of reacting to the thought form events (as society has taught us to do) – then our daily lives become more dreamlike and ineffable. The belief that there is such a thing as an outside reality impinging upon an abiding self is what's unreal – it's a distortion or obfuscation of the feelings which are actually going on (are calling up that reality).



What separates the Four Faculties is forgetfulness or disconnectedness. Forgetfulness (and with it, focus and control) increases as the descent is made down the cone from its base to its apex, from Creative Mind to Will:

Will forgets everything but this immediate line of personal history;

Body of Fate forgets everything but this particular incarnation;

Mask forgets everything but the individual self.

Just as the division between waking, dreaming, and dreamless sleep is not as distinct as we usually imagine, neither is the division between the Faculties as hard and fast as shown above. For example, the difference between probable realities in this lifetime (BF) and other lifetimes (Mask) is not as distinct as we think. Master magicians lose their sense of separation between this lifetime (Will), other probable realities (BF), other lifetimes (Mask), and other people (CM). This is because they can feel the light fibers directly (the light fibers to which these particular thought forms are attached). They can feel those feelings directly, so they don't get hung up in the individual thought forms by reacting to them with their lower selves – by taking personally the things that happen to them rather than just accepting them detachedly. Grabbing onto a particular thought form is what keeps us centered in a particular moment of time. To plunge into time is to let go of all sense of control – to feel as though you are hurtling through a void every moment (without losing your marbles about it).

Mind (order and stability) and time arise together. This is a symbolic view of what our waking consciousness does: it imposes a flow of linear temporality on ineffable feeling in order to make some sort of sense out of it – to make it seem real; just as dream consciousness imposes an orientation in space on unbounded chaos in order to make it seem familiar. But things making sense (importance) or seeming familiar are not innate parts of the universe – they're a blip. Things don't make sense; and nothing is ever the same. Things making sense or seeming familiar – reified as time and space – are a matter of Will alone. So, if we are going to utilize our three higher Faculties, we have to come to a point in our daily lives in which we don't care so much about whether or not things make sense – whether or not there is any rhyme or reason for anything. We have to feel comfortable feeling disoriented – not worry so much whether things are under control or not. We have to let go and relax, even in the midst of a maelstrom (which is what everyday life becomes like once you lose your self-pity).

To enter a state of timelessness we have to make an effort to slow ourselves down on all fronts in our daily lives, to release the obsessive fixation of the concerns of everyday society. When we activate our higher Faculties, we feel that our daily lives are more or less okay as they are and that they unfolding as they should at this particular moment. And there's nothing we can do about it anyway. When we are in-phase, we feel that we can handle the things which happen to us without pother; that life does indeed have a purpose because we can feel that purpose from moment-to-moment. In other words, we can easily recognize when we are following our true life's purpose by how skillfully or unskillfully we deal with our everyday lives and relationships.

What we call time is actually not a linear process at all, but rather an interplay between these four levels of memory. Giving one or another level precedence, or importance, is what we call the movement of time; but it has nothing to do with sequence, as we suppose. Rather, it has to do with seek – once. As long as something is being sought, as long as there is striving, then there will be a movement of attention which we perceive as time. When striving ceases, so too does time.



Without this continual Discord through Deception there would be no conscience, no activity; Deception is a technical term of my teachers and may be substituted for "desire". – A Vision



By "Deception" is meant striving. Striving is not striving after something; desire is not desire for something. Rather they are movements, motions, for their own sake. The putative objects of striving or desire are but thought forms tacked on "later", as a way of remembering them. It isn't really the objects of desire which are sought but rather the hunger, the state of desire itself. The objects of desire – thought forms – don't have any objective existence. This is what is meant by "reality is but a symbol" or "waking consciousness is but a more highly evolved form of dreaming"; and this is the Deception.

Will is the thought form material readily at hand. Body of Fate is all the "could be's" and "could have beens". Mask is all the dreams and hopes. Creative Mind is all the ideals and spiritual possibilities available to humans. And in any given moment all four of these levels are interacting, manifesting, driving a person relentlessly forward through time. Who "we" are is a conjunction of tendencies (memories, habits) in a moment of time; that is to say, an ongoing process. And that's what time is: a conjunction of memories bearing upon a specific moment, aka "us".

However, human life is part and parcel of thought forms, and thus this distinction of four types of thought forms, which correspond to four types of memories, is a useful way of categorizing the strivings of different people. It is striving which keeps the wheel of life and death turning; when striving ceases, human life ends (and divine life begins). The point is that struggle is what keeps life going, and when struggle ceases, so does all distinction between e.g. this lifetime and some other, or this person and that one. All struggle is a struggle towards separatedness: when struggle ceases, so too does separatedness – i.e. individual consciousness. This is what the 28 phases of the moon show: the cycle of development of the emergence, the growth, and the surrender of separatedness.

The point is that all these different types of memory interact on each other. Mask is a person's individual ideals, talents, etc. All that he or she is capable of from all possible lifetimes – all the peaks and valleys, not just exalted moments but also moments of greatest depravity, suffering, etc. Creative Mind is what some have called Collective Unconscious – all the racial memories we share as humans, our common sense, which we can each draw upon by virtue of our being human. Body of Fate is probable realities, and Will is this particular personal history. All four of these types of memory bear upon the present moment and help to create it.

2/11/2008 10:01:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

@Ericswan: It's just as I suspected, then. The Universe is a monstrous clockwork parasite upon consciousness.

There's no escape; magic only works internally, and should you escape that trap, you have merely descended to lower levels of reality, and will spend the best part of your strength struggling to regain even the level of a fisherman in his hut.

Not likely to relinquish my grip for some golden talking fish,
Lord Reptor.

2/12/2008 08:11:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that 7/10 of the Earth's SURFACE is water? Then we'd have to work out how much of that water is covered by floating islands of shite the size of France, for example?

Water, like any material, can be purified by non-technological means, by which I mean the emission of positive vibrations - this can be shown to work for water as in the experiments carried out out by the Japanese researcher Dr Emoto (unless of course you take the automatic stand that all of this sort of stuff is bullshit.)

Of course, three isolated Hail Mary's are not going to clean up the ocean. Some generation of earthlings is going to have to muck in and clean it up - or are already trying. Tough job - too late? We're going to find out.

And 3G I have to say that I agree with Mark that unless you find a way to share your FFA with friends and neighbours in a simple, positive and constructive way, you'll be missing the point. Spiritual awareness - in my opinion, my experience - is not a race, and it's not an esoteric technique. It's available to everyone as long as one is prepared to accept that this dimension exists. The primary point is that all creation is an expression of the primal Life force which animates the Universe - this we can access and distribute as we wish, just as we can choose to do what we want with our physical energy . It is food for a part of our being which is largely ignored and decried in our society. It strengthens us and makes our focus clearer. It's not a fantasy or a dream for dummies.

There is an immensity of life which is invisible to our regular perceptions. Phenomena of the 'lower astral plane' do indeed excercise great pressure on our perceptions - you can spot these easily in terms of the sort of automatic thinking to which we are all victim, most of it learned, and are also transmitted with terrifying efficiency by our 'entertainment' media. But it's not necessary to succumb to fear or desperation, because primal energy transcends all that. There is also a 'higher astral plane', and part of the work of the beings on that plane is to protect and assist us with our spiritual growth. It's not about Join The Club, it's about Be Who You Really Are.

And, just for laughs, about Hillary/Obama - I can't help thinking of Chris Rock (from our 'entertainment' media) who said that there will never ever be a black Vice-President, because some black guy would immediately shoot the President.

2/12/2008 08:19:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Watched a short segment of French news last night concerning the 150-year anniversary of the Marial apparition at Lourdes. There was an interview with a woman whose unexplained cure at Lourdes was recognised in the 1950's as a 'miracle'. She was cool, a down-to-earth lady who says she never prays much, didn't really expect to be cured and clearly wasn't a holy-water frog (grenouille de bénitier as the French call them). Miracle cures anyone? Miracles are simply events for which we have no logical explanation, demonstrating perhaps the limits of our comprehension.

Also, re. vibrations, I've frequently visited my brother who lives in Cambridge, works for the university. The atmosphere in central Cambridge is remarkable - it's as if you can feel the intentions of the people who have been gathering there for centuries in a quest for knowledge and understanding - Oxford is very similar. You can find the same vibration in some churches and temples too, though many places of 'worship' are unfortunately but palpably dead. The horrible concrete basiilica in Lourdes is a case in point. What we think and do affects our entire environment.

2/12/2008 08:45:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

One last thing - has anyone any news of Shrub? His blog is not responding - I just hope he's OK - can't help liking the stroppy Atlantide son of a gun.

2/12/2008 08:48:00 AM  
Blogger Mike said...

Recent video: "Alfred McCoy, Professor of History at the University of Wisconsin, explores the history and use by the CIA of psychological torture..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccEudcvc1lM

2/12/2008 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

"Spiritual awareness - in my opinion, my experience - is not a race, and it's not an esoteric technique. It's available to everyone as long as one is prepared to accept that this dimension exists."
well said Fructador.
esoterica is so appealing. Ritual and initiation...the cults of egypt that continue today, even in innocuous forms like Shriners are a throwback to that.

that being said, it depends what dimension you travel towards.
there are dark hemispheres of negative, angry power. There are bright midnights of wonderous bollowy stardust...unicorns and rainbows...
all this "your mind influences the world around you" crap I just can't swallow.
If you keep your thoughts positive and seek the most constuctive solutions to everything, you can still have reality cruble around you despite your best efforts.
but that's not to say it's not worth it.
at least you can hold your head up and remain level while everyone else is going apeshit, right?
but as far as this whole business of Tulpas, OBE's, channeling, Aeons, Crowley...wait, what am i talking about?
damn Thought forms and Dna of my coffe switching it's mind...

Anyone hear about the title of "Don Conquistador" being bestowed on aerospace engineers at a ceremony modeled after the Bohemian Grove's "cremation of care" ritual? weird wild stuff.
a friend of mine has a video.
will provide a link once it's on youtube....
The fun thing is that they are all dressed in traditional Spanish Conquista gear! They played music during the ritual: Thus Spake Zarathustra (from 2001) the Star wars theme, then, inexplicably, Old Lang Sine...weeeerd....

2/12/2008 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Oxy Hydrogen Process (Water Fuel Cell)
8:25 min

One of it's 'wastes' is distilled water, so it can be applied as a form of simultaneous water remediation, energy supply, and 'waste' fresh water. If you don't like Mr. Craven, well, that's fine, there are many other choices. Good introduction on the scale of what is required in terms of basic water and sanitation requirements worldwide in the beginning of this short video.

more implosion based processes from water fuel (Schauberger lives, IC) and water based purification at 'energy' at:

http://commodityecology.blogspot.com/2007/06/34-energy.html

2/12/2008 11:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Howard Zinn said...

The idea of saviors has been built into the entire culture, beyond politics. We have learned to look to stars, leaders, experts in every field (including Conspiratainment), thus surrendering our own strength, demeaning our own ability, obliterating our own selves.

The American system is the most ingenious system of control in world history. With a country so rich in natural resources, talent, and labor power the system can afford to distribute just enough wealth to just enough people to limit discontent to a troublesome minority. It is a country so powerful, so big, so pleasing to so many of its citizens that it can afford to give freedom of dissent to the small number who are not pleased.

There is no system of control with more openings, apertures, lee ways, flexibilities, rewards for the chosen, winning tickets in lotteries. There is none that disperses its controls more complexly through the voting system, the work situation, the church, the family, the school, the mass media-none more successful in mollifying opposition with reforms, isolating people from one another, creating patriotic loyalty.

One percent of the nation owns a third of the wealth. The rest of the wealth is distributed in such a way as to turn those in the 99 percent against one another: small property owners against the propertyless, black against white, native-born against foreign-born, intellectuals and professionals against the uneducated and unskilled. These groups have resented one another and warred against one another with such vehemence and violence as to obscure their common position as sharers of leftovers in a very wealthy country.

2/12/2008 12:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Doodad said...

When I use to fish in the great white north I would smoke cigars to keep away the sparrow sized mosquitoes. Course I had to keep washing my hands off if I wanted to catch any fish since they say the fish can smell the cigar.

2/12/2008 02:45:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Mark -- "plain untreated tap water is all that is needed." OK so that rules out the first 1 billion people who have no access to water... nice solution! Then you need batteries or grid access.... um... bring in the world bank and imf to solve -- I mean -- to .... where's my "confessions of an economic hit man book."

what a joke. This does nothing to address water SHORTAGE -- only treatment and then in a very technocratic manner.

2/12/2008 03:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Doodad said...

Oh, and my point, of course. I now have cancers of the lip, tongue, mouth, throat, larynx, esophagus, and lung, as well as chronic obstructive pulmonary (lung) disease and coronary heart disease.

I made a conscious choice to avoid Encephalitis, West Nile Virus, Dengue Fever, Malaria and Yellow Fever.

Life is about choices and the implications of those choices. Did I choose the lesser of two evils? You tell me. I could be in Ariel Sharon's shoes (or coma), so I guess I shouldn't complain. Even though I have so many health problems, I can still smoke my cigar, if you know what I mean.

2/12/2008 03:21:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Looks like a deal folks! haha
From: Reuters
Published February 8, 2008 07:55 AM
World Bank plans clean technology fund for poor
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LONDON (Reuters) - Poor countries will soon receive billions of dollars from a new World Bank fund to help them cut pollution, save energy and fight global warming, the international organization said.

Developing countries such as India and China are already trying to reduce their carbon emissions, mainly to save on energy, but have baulked at doing more without technological help from Europe, Japan and the United States.

Most carbon dioxide heating the planet now is a result of western industrialization, and developing countries want financial help to cut their own growing emissions.

"The fund will support publicly and privately financed projects that deploy technologies that can cut emissions, increase efficiency and save energy...(in) developing countries," the U.S., British and Japanese finance ministers said in the Financial Times on Friday.

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The World Bank clean technology fund would receive some of the $2 billion in climate funds U.S. President George W. Bush announced last month, and part of the 800 million pounds ($1.56 billion) Britain pledged to "environmental transformation" last year, Henry Paulson, Alistair Darling and Fukushiro Nukaga said.

Japan last month announced a $10 billion package to support developing countries' fight against climate change but the finance ministers' letter did not detail how much of this would be channeled through the World Bank.

In a written response to questions from Reuters, the World Bank said, "It is expected that the formal announcement of the creation of the facility will be made soon."

"In addition to discussions with donor countries, talks have been or will shortly be undertaken with other interested parties, including other agencies in the U.N. system and the private sector."

The World Bank statement referred to "a strategic climate investment facility that would accelerate and scale up low carbon and climate-resilient investments in developing countries."

The three finance ministers said the fund would not be an alternative to U.N.-led talks to agree new emissions curbs to succeed measures now under the Kyoto Protocol from 2013, a concern in Europe.

"While the idea of a clean tech fund is welcome it should not be used to distract from or undermine the main event which is global negotiations on reducing carbon emissions," an EU source told Reuters, who said agreeing on binding emissions cuts was the top priority.

(Additional reporting by Paul Taylor in Brussels; Editing by Caroline Drees)

2/12/2008 03:29:00 PM  
Anonymous doodad said...

Ah, my clone awakes with a capital D. And, he's growed up to be a doctor. His mother, the testube would be so proud.

2/12/2008 04:39:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

"Mark -- "plain untreated tap water is all that is needed." OK so that rules out the first 1 billion people who have no access to water... nice solution!"

Actually, watch more than knee-jerk emotions told you to: it's just 8 minutes. The more interesting issue (already mentioned in my description) that comes later is the use of this as a water remediation/treatment technology: into clean burning energy and distilled water as the 'wastes' of the process.

So, yes, it even fulfills the GGG seal of approval should something socially constructive ever inspire you. Not. Never will.

And yes, it can use regular tap water as well. Though if that is "too bourgeois" for you, even though it is a solution that provides technological parity worldwide, you can always stick the electrodes in your toilet, sewer main, or septic tank.

And I don't know why you laugh at that investment fund for technology. It may and will be I expect abused by degradative greenwashing of technologies, though other groups like I mentioned would fit right in.

If your 'female formless awareness' has left you so bereft of fellow feeling, full of hostility, and still addicted to meditative images of apocalypse as preferable, I don't think you are making a good case for your path of life to anyone.

2/12/2008 04:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark, I'm not saying that I think all technology is harmful on the environment. (Bummer you had me lumped in with a rather kinda creepy guy that goes on about babysitting little girls that are 'orgasmically' drawn to him in his full-lotus position!)
But it seems to me that the very people who have the ability to create these environmentally friendly solutions are more interested in making a buck. They don't give a rat's ass about the environment or whether or not 2 billion people have access to clean drinking water.
I haven't had a chance to read all the links you provided, I've been super busy, but I will read them.
On a similar note, here's an interesting article I came across in a local alternative paper.
http://republic-news.org/archive/170-repub/170_potvin_money.htm

2/12/2008 05:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, why don't my links work?

2/12/2008 05:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous is right, Mark.

2/12/2008 06:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark -- the technology relies on pre-existing sources of freshwater. That's it! It has nothing to do with people running out of freshwater and therefore not having access to freshwater (be they Central Americans, Chinese, Africans, Indians, or, even bourgeois U.S.ians).

"We" got 20 years left of freshwater Mark -- get over it! A lot of places on Earth are pretty much out of water already.

2/12/2008 09:04:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

I have the sneaking feeling that GGG hides in two removes now. First in that strange GGG title instead of his name Drew then with sockpuppet anonymous chorus lines.

I can't help you (in plural) if you are pathologically critical on a false point even apocalyptically celebratory of a mental illusion of 'water running out' it on a planet ('surface'--what pedantry to even argue that was an important contribution) made of 7/10 water. Meditate on it for a while.

True, as others pointed out that some people are in it for the money. I would say to that: so what. It doesn't really matter, does it, if the technology is sound. When it does matter is when the technology yields externalities, though I'm hard pressed to find any about some of the things presumably up for debate here.

2/12/2008 09:51:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

So first you present a machine that would entail industrial extraction of deep sea cold water while ignoring the fact that industrialism has already dramatically altered the deep sea "thermal gradients." Again I ask you Mark -- HAVE YOU TAKEN AN ECOLOGY CLASS?

If not, I recommend you read "The Wealth of Nature" by Professor Robert Nadeau. Actually his latest book is just an update on the same subject -- something like "Environmental Endgame." Basically supercomputers can't model ecology because ecology is too complicated -- yet you're claiming that mass extraction i.e. primitive accumulation -- i.e RAPE -- is the answer.

Seriously do you have kind of credentials besides posting links to infomercials? I have a masters degree in policy with a focus on political ecology and philosophy of science. I have an undergraduate degree with a focus on environmental policy. I work at Clean Water Action.

For further details just google:

"How to be an activist: drew hempel's C.V."

2/12/2008 10:46:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Drew said:

"supercomputers can't model ecology because ecology is too complicated -- yet you're claiming that mass extraction [what mass exaction?] i.e. primitive accumulation [what 'primitive accumulation?' it's the exact opposite]-- i.e RAPE [just emotionalism-- is the answer."

Interesting you bring up a faux 'rape' concern. Not a good idea Drew when presumably psychic rape is what you brag about as your addictive fix every day.

Drew, then you introduce two things now that are shots on a different subject entirely. You jump around like this all the time.

It's grasping at straws to change the subject to gain ground or a new Vietnamese Hill 431 on a different topic that I don't think you have defended very well except to abandon it and then make a run for another hill? I'm not interested in personal attacks as a substitute for clearer thinking.

Back to the topic--If the technology is sound, it's sound whether or not you like it. It might not fit your categorical imperatives like "primitive accumulation". That's a Marxist/Engels term predicated on theoretical expectations that environmental destruction, alienation, and proletarianization occur in all cases with economic expansion. What if this is not talking economic expansion? Or what if those three things don't occur with the introduction of a technology? Or what if the introdution of a technology leads instead of de-proletarianization and less alienation from other humans or nature? Or more localization? What then.).

I don't think you can stretch Marxist theoretical phrases to cover this issue to imply that in all cases, technologies (several counterexamples) or development (that Mike Hands counterexample) degrade the environment. Because not all technologies are such supply-sided consolidated minded things. Some get tailored to fit a particular environment, or have zero emissions, effectively severing such categorical imperatives or expectations. For that particular case.

So you reach for 150 year old categorical imperatives where you don't seem to see that the example in question really doesn't fit your theory. In fact, the evidence for what the ol Marxist material things are, counter your concern. You rely on hot emotionalism to badger people, which convinces no one. You abandon one topic for another without much rhyme or reason.

"Seriously do you have kind of credentials besides posting links to infomercials? I have a masters degree in policy with a focus on political ecology and philosophy of science. I have an undergraduate degree with a focus on environmental policy. I work at Clean Water Action."

1. Infomercials? Drew, look at yourself. You're the living example of an infomercial. You sail over everyone's heads every day with advertising blimps for YOURSELF that have nothing to do with anything under discussion.

Don't play credential games, Drew. Marx I'm sure didn't care about credentials. Just a bourgeois or ruling class mystification I can hear him say, eh? Why do you reach for that?

It doesn't save your lack of argument, though I'll play your silly game. I have a PhD in (environmental) sociology from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, still the best school for sociology in the U.S. they say. Additionally, I have a masters from there as well in sociology/environmental sociology and a doctoral minor in urban and regional planning. I have two other B.A.s (world history; and comparative religious studies) and three other minors to round it out.

Frankly, all that doesn't matter to me. In what we are talking about, I'm not interested in making a personalistic or credentials based argument. This is just an attempt to change the subject. Socrates didn't have any credentials though he was public enemy intellectual #1 in Greece.

What matters to me is whether your particular arguement is sound. Don't go wrapping yourself in credentials or 150 year old categorical theories, Drew, expecting that to look good or be like a trump card when your argument was not defended in the first place.

I still don't hear any policy recommendations at all about water from you except await passively the illusion of a water apocalypse the elites have set up in the media.

What is this 'action' then that "Clean Water Action" recommends?

2/13/2008 03:30:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

someone else said:

"On a similar note, here's an interesting article I came across in a local alternative paper.
http://republic-news.org/archive/170-repub/170..


Thanks. I thought that was particular well said, don't you? Truly telling what motivates the criminalized states of the world to raise "previously impossible" levels of money or concern.(That article reminds me why various polls show supermajorities worldwide delegitimating such states and their preoccupations. More on that here).

2/13/2008 03:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Nicanor Duarte Frutos said...

so according to mark's hypothesis, w's paraguayan aquifer land grab is just a cannard. fresh water is readily available, replenishable and easily extracted. the aquifer land grab is part of the plot to convince the masses that there is scarcity where there is none.

2/13/2008 08:51:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Jeez Drew...You stepped in that!!!!!!!!
That poster way up there posited the magic box that the united states of America has mastered beyond all expectation. That was a masterful piece but it rings hollow and comes up empty. In fact, it's an echo chamber waiting, no champing, at the bit, to fall on it's sword. I'm not holding out much hope for peace on earth based on that perview.

As Mark points out in one of his blogs, science is obsconding with the Socrates' original thinkers claiming the healing powers of the organic movement for their own. Just because tptb claim the green mantle should in no wise be taken without that crystal of salt.

2/13/2008 09:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Drew, i think the only thing pulsing is your ego...

2/13/2008 10:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if this technology is so all that why has cuba not embraced it. it is a island country substantially reliant on the importation of vital resources. you would think they would have adopted this "all that" technology. wait. let us guess. castro is in on the artificial scarcity cannard also. they're all in on it but miraculously we're somehow going to implement this technology underneath their lording and unyeilding noses.

2/13/2008 10:32:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

if this technology is so all that why has cuba not embraced it."

That would be damn cool. Though alas I'm not a handy scapegoat to blame for Cuba not adopting something, I think. Blame Cuba. That sounds more direct. Better yet blame America because of the several thousands of more sustainable energy patents that are sitting in a locked vault at the U.S. Patent Office, according to a whistleblowing patent examiner, that are being illegally kept without being published and available to the public:

"Former US Patent Examiner Thomas Valone, fired for producing a conference in Washington DC on these new energy technologies, claims that there is a vault at the US Patent Office containing over 4,000 patents ordered secret by the government, confiscated from the inventors who are threatened with 20 years in jail if they release the information as per "dual-use" secrecy law uncovered under Freedom of Information Act and reprinted on p.162 of Jeane Manning's book "The Coming Energy Revolution" overviewing various new energy tech inventors." That's mentioned here:

Title: A History Of 52 'New Energy' Technology Invention Suppressions That Demote Consumer Choice
Author: Gary Vesperman
Date: 2006.06.19 08:22
Description: permanent batteries; "hydrogen on demand" engines (burning high frequency low amp electric split H2O: two monoatomic hydrogens in an oxygen atmosphere, waste is what you started with--water, once more); nuclear waste remediation technologies; Brazil just went energy sufficient; and more, all supressed. "In the last two months, there have been three incidents of energy inventors threatened with death by gun-toting thugs....This is the third version of my compilation of specific ENERGY SUPRESSION cases [including NUCLEAR WASTE REMEDIATION SUPRESSION technologies, suppressed by U.S.'s Department of Energy, particularly, in their aegis, Spencer Abraham]. This time I decided to get serious. I thoroughly reviewed my own files and a few web sites pertaining to energy suppression [and came up with 52 CASES OF ENERGY AND NUCLEAR REMEDIATION TECHNOLOGICAL SUPRESSION]. Deleted were some cases that didn't appear to be authentic suppression. I also incorporated some thoughtful comments that had been emailed to me...." "Inventors in their zeal to improve the well-being of their fellow inhabitants of Planet Earth face such perils as poverty, slander, ridicule, and neglect. Inventors of energy devices sometimes have also been bullied by large energy-related corporations and allies in the United States Government who seek to maintain their energy slavery....The illegal as well as legal tactics of these suppression actions have encompassed: imprisonment on false charges, IRS harassment, burglaries, bribery with huge sums of money, and even murder....[T]he oil companies will do EVERYTHING in their power to suppress this kind of technology, because it could reduce the gasoline consumption in the U.S. by 76% over a 5-year term. The government will lose mega bucks in gasoline taxes. The major car manufacturers will lose billions spent on the technology of the fuel injection systems, my technology makes theirs obsolete. I put all my patent and shop drawings up on this website..."


Title: Energy Invention Suppression Cases August 30 2007
Author: Gary Vesperman
Date: 2007.09.01 07:59
Description: My August 30, 2007 123-page compilation of energy invention suppression cases is available at the bottom of http://green-salon.com/presentations.htm and also at www.energysuppression.com where a continuously running update of energy invention suppression cases and activities is maintained by Sterling Allan and his friends.

Still, no hard feelings, Drew. The negative thoughts you have are your own world, even though we're all in this together. Unless the world really is all about you like you argue.

2/13/2008 11:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,"Now you know it's a meaningless question to ask if those stories are right cause what matters most if the feeling you get when your hypnotized,seems like a dream they got me hypnotized".For the 98% out there in GW's Merica things are just fine,just make sure they don't run out of the SSRI's during the Daytona 500 this weekend.This shithole country is fucken washed up,no one even noticed they passed the spy bill right under their red,white and blue noses,but then again they were busy watching some good reality tv.When the fucken Gastapo comes kicken in the nice new front door they bought Lowes it will be a little late.In the last few weeks the tone of many of the folks I have been around has gone from bad to off the chain,many are starting to sound a lot like Fox news.I would have to say the nervous breakdown is just around the corner,maybe a World War Z would be just what this place needs,or better yet maybe a Steven King"Cell",later.

2/13/2008 12:16:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Ooo, Anon., be careful what you wish for. After all, in WWZ, you'll almost certainly get to play a zombie.

I'd want to be one of the ones that freeze every year and then thaw out and roam the national parks. Endless vacation, man.

That "Cell" was a smokin' piece of science fiction, I thought. I wonder if King even dinged cell phone sales with it, though.
The reality of our decline will be more prosaic and horrible, most likely.
Douglas Adams had a whole planet die off because they got rid of their telephone sanitizers and thereby caught a plague from dirty phones.

I wouldn't be surprised if everyone who's used a cell phone actually has some kind of terminal brain rot that will result in their being rounded up and gassed in mumbling hordes ten years from now. It'll be like Lipton's Instant Alzheimer's.

Having been acclimatized to regular extermination programs by the Deadly Duck Flu or whatever it is, we'll gladly ship off our soiled and shambling peers to Camp ByeBye when the time comes.


Hoping it WAS the cell phones, as I don't have one,
Lord Reptor.

2/13/2008 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Mark we probably know each other by appearance. I was a UW-Greens activist at Madison up till 1994. haha.

Anyway as for you posting websites to businesses selling the techno-fix answer -- you're right that's not much in the way of activism! haha.

Still if you want to take techno-fix -- then nanofilters and bioremediation are currently the plan by the military scientists (at Sandia, etc.).

Here's the latest:

http://www.physorg.com/news122046534.html

Will nanofilters work for converting seawater into drinking water? Possibly but again, as you point out, the "technology transfer" is not exactly transparent.

My favorite author on the issue is Professor David F. Noble's "A Social History of Automation" book -- that's the subtitle.

Anyway for the issue of technology transfer in regards to water an excellent expose article is "Water, Money and Power" detailing how many large 3rd World cities have their "public" water supplies already funnelled to just the top 3% of the population while the rest pay exorbitant prices for access to drinking water. Guayaquil is a good example -- the coastal city in Ecquador. I know several immigrants from that province.

So do you know BEN MANKSI? He majored in sociology at UW-Madison -- at graduate level I think. He's an old activist buddy and now a big wig in the Greens Party.

More importantly is the Aldo Leopold arboretum in Madison where I lived with my cat from the backwoods of Alaska. haha. As Aldo Leopold emphasized humans are a PART of nature whereas the West we continue to think it's the opposite -- that humans some how can "control" their environment. The ecological crisis is more of an existential crisis and the books I recommend -- Professor Nadeau's environmental books -- detail how "hard science" admits that it can not "manage" ecology. So any linear techno-fix based on direct causality won't work. There will ALWAYS be externalities and with industrial scale levels of technology the nonlinear feedback will always be catastrophic.

2/13/2008 03:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GGG offered '-- detail how "hard science" admits that it can not "manage" ecology. So any linear techno-fix based on direct causality won't work. There will ALWAYS be externalities and with industrial scale levels of technology the nonlinear feedback will always be catastrophic.'

Nice. Do you know what a condom is?

2/13/2008 03:42:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

According to this book:

THE TROUBLE
WITH ISLAM
A Muslim's Call
for Reform in Her Faith.
By Irshad Manji.
225 pp. New York:
St. Martin's Press.

A condom is what muslim females wear over their heads.

2/13/2008 03:57:00 PM  
Anonymous rigorous ennui said...

"In early November 1980, the night before Bruce DePalma was scheduled to leave for Germany to be the featured presenter at Hans Nieper's Gravity Field Energy Conference in Hanover Germany, DePalma got a phone call from US astronaut Edgar Mitchell claiming "The CIA has information to the effect that if you go to Germany you will not be coming back. And you better watch out what you do there in Santa Barbara, or you might get your head blown off." Mitchell was "best friends with George H.W. Bush" - at that time directing the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). DePalma eventually left the USA to live in New Zealand."


Since DePalma has a website disseminating all his energy know-how, am I to assume that CIA death threats have a sell-by date?

2/13/2008 04:09:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

To Anony 007..yeah...Castro is part of it.

2/13/2008 04:14:00 PM  
Blogger Ben D. said...

Drew jabbed

"I have a masters degree in policy with a focus on political ecology and philosophy of science. I have an undergraduate degree with a focus on environmental policy. I work at Clean Water Action."

Mark countered

"I have a PhD in (environmental) sociology from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, still the best school for sociology in the U.S. they say. Additionally, I have a masters from there as well in sociology/environmental sociology and a doctoral minor in urban and regional planning. I have two other B.A.s (world history; and comparative religious studies) and three other minors to round it out."

Folks, I declare this junior preliminary bout over,... congratulations to Mark by a TKO!

Now for the finals, bring on the real pros,.. where are Shrub and Dick BTW?

2/14/2008 06:34:00 AM  
Blogger surrender said...

http://www.alternet.org/water/76819/?page=entire

Maude Barlow: “ THE GROWING BATTLE FOR THE RIGHT TO WATER”

"The thing that I'm trying to establish with the first chapter, which is called "Where Has All the Water Gone," is that what we learned in grade five about the hydrologic cycle being a closed, fixed cycle that could never be interrupted and could never go anywhere, is not true. They weren't lying to us, but they weren't aware of the human capacity to destroy it, and the reality is that we've interrupted the hydrologic cycle in many parts of the world and the American Southwest is one of them.

TL: How is this happening?

MB: By farming in deserts and taking up water from aquifers or watersheds. Or by urbanizing -- massive urbanization causes the hydrologic cycle to not function correctly because rain needs to fall back on green stuff -- vegetation and grass -- so that the process can repeat itself. Or we are sending huge amounts of water from large watersheds to megacities and some of them are 10 to 20 million people, and if those cities are on the ocean, some of that water gets dumped into the ocean. It is not returned to the cycle.

We are massively polluting surface water, so that the water may be there, but we can't use it. And we are also mining groundwater faster than it can be replenished by nature, which means we are not allowing the cycle to renew itself. The Ogallala aquifer is one example of massive overpumping. There are bore wells in the Lake Michigan shore that go as deep into the ground as Chicago skyscrapers go into the ground and they are sucking groundwater that should be feeding the lake so hard that they are pulling up lake water now, and they are reversing the flow of water in Lake Michigan for the first time.

We are interrupting the natural cycle. And another thing we are doing is something called virtual water trade. That is where you send water out of the watershed in the form of products or agriculture. You've used the water to produce something and then you export it, and about 20 percent of water used in the world is exported out of watershed in this way, because so much of our economy is about export. In the U.S. you are sending about one-third of your water out of watersheds -- it is not sustainable.

This is not a cyclical drought. We are actually creating hot stains, as I and some scientists call them, around the world. These are parts of the world that are running out of water and will be, or are, in crisis. Which means that millions more people will be without water.. We usually hear water being a result of climate change, and it is, particularly with the melting of the glaciers. But our abuse, mismanagement and treatment of water is actually one of the causes, and we have not placed that analysis at the center of our thinking about climate change and environmental destruction, and until we do, we are only addressing half the question.

I do blame in a very big way, the political leadership in most of our countries for having failed to heed the call of scientists and ecologists and water managers who've been telling us for years now there is a crisis coming -- there are 36 states in the U.S. in some form of water stress, from serious to severe. Thirty-six states! Most Americans don't know this -- why is this not part of people's everyday concerns? That is what I'm hoping this book will help do.


TL: You said 36 states in the U.S. are water stressed -- what does that actually mean for the people who live there?

MB: Well, in a dire case, literally running out of water. In many other cases, the predictions are that the demand will increase seriously and they've got to start planning. I quote in the book that the demand in Florida is growing so much and over pumping is happening so much that there are actually sink holes opening up and swallowing homes and streets and sometimes whole shopping centers. It is called subsidence. Mexico City is sinking in on itself because all the water under the city has been taken out and now they are going farther afield pumping water.

It can go from that kind of crisis, or as in some communities in the Midwest, you face having no water to the Chicago area, where the demand is going to grow hugely, and therefore the demand will be on the Great Lakes, which are already in trouble.

There are four trillion liters taken out of the Great Lakes every single day and believe me, nature is not putting a trillion gallons back in. It is not rocket science that we are not allowing nature to refill and replenish. And now there are new demands on the Great Lakes because communities and industries off the basin are now demanding access to it. as water dwindles in the world and available fresh water is becoming more scarce, the demand is growing, water is becoming a commodity, it is becoming valuable to those who want to put a price on it, which is why I called the first book Blue Gold.

And this blue gold is attracting private sector interest in many, many ways, and there is a private sector interest coming together to control every level of water, from when we take it out of the ground, bottle it, to how we deliver it, to wastewater treatment, and now the biggest and newest is water reuse and recycling. That sounds benign at first, but when you really start to look at it, really it is about big, big corporations like GE, Dow Chemical, Proctor & Gamble getting into the ownership, control, and recycling of dirty water, which because there are billions of dollars at stake, in my opinion, becomes a disincentive to protect source water.

**And you can start to understand why governments, in collusion with these companies, are starting to spend millions of dollars on cleanup technology but will not enforce rules to stop pollution in the first place.

And then we have desalination. There are 30 desal plants planned for California alone. They are now talking about nuclear-powered desalination. They are talking about building those plants as we speak. The people in the anti-nuclear movement had better dust off and come back because it is all coming back with desalination. And then there is nanotechnology, which they want to be totally deregulated. I've got a great quote in the book where this guy says, "We are going to do to water what we did to telecommunications in the 1990s," which is total deregulation. They want governments out of the business of water.

**It has become a multi-multibillion-dollar industry just overnight. A lot of it is this water reuse -- it is the fast-growing section of the water industry. I argue that there is a race going on over who's going to control water, whether it will be seen as a public commons, a public trust, and part of our collective heritage that also belongs to the earth -- or whether it will be controlled by private corporations, and I don't know who will win.


TL: What else do we need to be doing?

MB: We need laws. Martin Luther King Jr. said, "Legislation won't change the heart, but it will restrain the heartless." We need legislation at every level of our government. It is all well for grass-roots people to do all their wonderful work -- but they shouldn't have to do all the work.

We need laws at every level, from municipal up to state to national to international, that protect water ecologically on one hand and protect the notion of a human right and right of the earth, and not a commodity, and that is so fundamental.

That is why I call the book "blue covenant" -- we need a covenant of three parts -- from humans to the earth to stop destroying the lifeblood of the earth, from the rich to the poor (global north to the south) for water justice, not charity -- justice.

**Water should be a fundamental right for all generations, and no one should be allowed to sell it for profit. We want this right up to the United Nations. It is a struggle at every level. But we just keep going. The fight back around the world is claiming space, but we have to have the weight of law behind us.

We have to make, as a society, decisions about what matters. And if we believe that people shouldn't die because they can't afford water, then we have to bring things to bear to make that happen -- we have to change things. If the World Bank has money to give to Suez or Veolia, they've got the money to give to a public agency.


TL: So are you hopeful we can move change in the right direction?

MB: I'm always hopeful -- it is part of my job. I consider hope to be a moral imperative.

**I also don't think you have any right to go around alarming people with these facts unless you are also prepared to talk about what needs to be done, and success stories, and be hopeful. I am very, very hopeful that we can collectively do this.

If I'm worried -- it is about the exponential abuse of water -- can we catch this and stop it fast enough?

2/14/2008 10:49:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

I don't want to make a personal vendetta with Drew. While I agree with Drew that some technologies and relationships exhibit externalities and those are bad, duh, I don't think its true by any stretch of the imagination that all cases, to the end of time which is Drew's prediction or 'faith' if I may call it for that is all that it is, can or will exhibit this relationship. You have to deal with technologies case by case, Drew, on a local level's jurisdiction as primary, and not with reference to empty theory a priori applied to everything in the world as you lazily do. You are hostile to test your theory Drew, or look for counterexamples, and that is a great fault. Grand theories like that Drew have a tendency to be, well, grand, though easily scratched.

And no I don't believe in a tech-fix exclusively, nor do I believe that a tech-fix can work itself alone. This should be clear from everything else I have ever written. The 'main problem' I would argue (in my book for instance) is not technology, it's a nexus of political organizational difficulties that maintain corrupt and informally crony forms of 'development' (involving [1] biased use of the state, [1] biased use of the sciences, [3] biased finance, and [4] biased uses of consumption, technology, and materials--over better sounder materials (e.g., think GM crops versus organic, for instance). The politics of technology, and the politics of why we are mass forced to consume certain materials without choice, not the technology itself, seems more responsible for externalities. Even that book by Noble you mentioned Drew argues this political angle about technologies.

Third, if Drew were correct about all technologies being equally bad and apocalyptically evil to the environment to the end of time, I don't think 4,000 or so of the presumably more energy efficient or even free energy patents (re Valone's whistleblowing above, or read Jeane Manning's The Coming Energy Revolution or read the overview patent links I put above) that are banned by the US government would exist.

There's a whole world of different human-environmental, potential-remediative relationships out there versus massive corruption to stop even the slightest admittal they could exist. In that way I see Drew strangely supporting and believing the empire's myopia of apocalyptic unsustainability against his own interest (or activism) in sustainability.

You harp on your water activism, Drew, yet you are afraid to tell us about it? So tell us all about it. Is the silence because you don't really do anything?

and another quote:

"We need laws at every level, from municipal up to state to national to international,..."

I don't think laws are going to save anyone. The problem with a faith in legislation as a strategy for change is that the criminals are in charge of administration of these laws--and they will tend to look the other way or utilize these laws for their own repressive degradative advantage by twisting their purposes from something unintended in the original spirit of them. The same goes for 'elections' under the current situations of gerrymandered electoral districts, rigged vote machines, and special laws banning competitive parties. Elections in these conditions are nearly pointless distractions from action, and support of them even in this situation seems based on the same expectations that laws are going to change something.

However, I like the idea of some form of regulation on international corporations, though can this readily be done within existing jurisdictions instead of erecting something global? I do think however the U.N. should run a non-military coast guard on the open ocean, and the world's oceans require a way to have one body to regulate and demote 'flags of convenience' for shipping. That is a major issue of ocean degradation via ships that are not in good repair. The U.N. should be banned from having a land army and only have authority near land with permission of several nearby countries agreement. Land armies under an unelected U.N. has always been a bad idea. The whole thing is a rogue global government itching to gain more power and not by expanding its representation, only its finances and military empire.

Here's a post about the oceans and the bioregional state where I talked about this a bit:

Saturday, April 15, 2006
Project Okeanos: What About the Oceans? The Bioregional State Solutions for Ocean Degradation
http://biostate.blogspot.com/2006/04/project-okeanos-what-about-oceans.html

"There should be one global shipping registry; this means the removal of all near criminal "flags of convenience" which encourage organized crime, drug running, and shell corporation protections from any crimes they commit in another countries waters. Plus, flags of convenience are a form of environmental risk as well, as made clear by the Jule 2003 article in The Ecologist on how with their lack of policing or investigatory power, shippers have basically let their ship tonnage stay in service until it rots without required maintenace. Particularly on liquid or energy carriers, this is a recipie for oil slicks and long term ocean damage there. This Ecologist article is really an excellent two page introduction to the issue of the interaction between environmental degradation, crime, and "Flags of Convenience." I scanned it here: link (500kb file, opens in separate window)...

"As you can see, particularly with Japanese corruption they are still going at it--bribing people all the way to support [whaling]. Bribery, organized crime and environmental degradation go hand in hand. Another fine example of how corruption and environmental degradation support go hand in hand in general--a theme throughout Toward A Bioregional State, which is one of the purposes that call for entirely political institutional solutions to remove and lessen such known conflicts of interest capacties for corruption in the first place.

We shall see Norway's and Japan's "pirate whaling" in another intersting overlap later. They are some of the countries dominating the use of "flags of convenience" registration.

With such corruption and environmental degradation being linked together as a political force, the maritime state further employs subsidies as well to maintain a crony driven ecological destruction. This only expands to subsidize self-destruction in fisheries in general.

This political corruption and crony subsidization sponsorship of large scale supply side organizations leads of course to large shake outs of sustainable practices in fisheries, toward factory ships there as well. These state subsidized ships carried refrigerator technology, and whole processing plants. They were basically huge cities on the sea, creating huge externalities whereever they went. This was both for dead as well as "half dead" 'by-catch' of fish caught and unwanted so they were thrown back leaving huge areas of rotting fish and species depletion even in those species no one was even fishing for in the first place. As mentioned above, it is estimated that as much as 25% of all fish caught each year are 'bycatch' and unwanted. They simply are hauled up, die, and then thrown back overboard to rot. Given the billions of pounds of fish caught, 25% is a huge figure of rotting meat and very wasteful technological pratices. Destroy one species, move on to the next. Destroy that one, move on to the next. Anything to keep the unsustainable practices continuing:

As fishing fleets expanded through the late 1980s and as fish-finding and harvesting technologies became more efficient, the world’s fishers have systematically gone after their catch at greater depths and in more remote waters. Over the past 50 years, the number of large predatory fish in the oceans has dropped by a startling 90 percent. Catches of many popular food fish such as cod, tuna, flounder, and hake have been cut in half despite a tripling in fishing effort. According to the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization, the 4 million vessels scouring the world’s waters are at or exceeding the sustainable yields of three quarters of all oceanic fisheries. The 10 most-fished species constitute 30 percent of the world’s catch. Seven of these have reached their limits and are classified as fully exploited or overexploited throughout their entire ranges, meaning that we cannot expect to increase their harvests. Included in this group are two types of Peruvian anchoveta, Alaska pollock, Japanese anchovy, blue whiting in the northeast Atlantic, capelin in the North Atlantic, and Atlantic herring. The other three species--chub mackerel, skipjack tuna, and largehead hairtail--are overfished in parts of their ranges."


Then on the other hand, there are some fisheries with special institutions that are quite sustainable in Australia (mentioned in Jared Diamond's Collapse), starting in Venezuela (the recent fisheries laws that encourage local small fishers instead of larger factory fishers) as well as the Maine lobster fishery. The ideas here are close to those of Elinor Ostrom (and not Garrett Harding) and she can be important clues what institutions to build to get to sustainability. I just take a page from her book, so to speak, and ecologize the larger state, sciences, consumption, and finance--institutionally.

That is why I think that only novel institutional additions and rewiring the ideas of the state (and the forms of educational accreditation and more) will get us to sustainability.

More links to explore...

2/14/2008 12:34:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

typo corrected:

The ideas here are close to those of long lived Elinor Ostrom (and not suicider Garrett Hardin)...

2/14/2008 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Mark -- when I was at UW-Madison my undergraduate degree was a new major -- a third poli-sci, a third econ, a third biology with the focus as sustainability in international relations.

What I discovered is that biology relies on the supply and demand model to justify an anthropocentric view of ecology, while economics relies on an western view of biology to justify the supply and demand model and poli-sci then takes the supply and demand model to justify genocidal and ecocidal policies.

As for what I've achieved in environmental and social justice policy, as I've stated, you can just google: "how to be an activist: drew hempel's c.v." You'll give plenty of hypertext links. I have a strong PUBLIC record of results -- i.e. policy changes that created institutional changes.

Clean Water Action has been at the cutting edge of environmental policy so I wouldn't know where to start -- they have a website and obviously I'm not a spokesperson for the organization. I do part-time clerical work there -- why? Because on my own I've already worked through all the political channels -- including telling Al Gore which way was up back in 2000.

Then concept of a "biostate" is naive. The problem is much, much deeper and radical and has to do with the evolution of language and how humans define infinity and how we created mathematics, etc.

So let's start with the Black Box Experiment in physics. The paradox was that energy as measured by number of waves (amplitude) was infinite but the heat of the box (amplitude) was supposed to be measured by number of atoms limited by the box itself.

That paradox gets to the very heart of the problem in the West -- energy as pure number versus energy as reductionist matter. The latter HAD to win out, creating Planck's constant, because science relies on measuring energy as amplitude, using the inverse square law.

But, in contrast, the quantum potential has been proven to be infinite energy yet indeterminate (it's not even random) and it's been proven to be correlated as superliminal information.

The opposite paradox, in contrast to the Black Box, is that the superliminal information is proven only after the infinite energy potential is reduced to a determinate probability of AMPLITUDE as atoms (or photons, electrons, etc. -- reductionist matter).

So again if we rely on amplitude as number of waves there's no way of stating WHAT the waves are as matter unless the waves are tied to a constant number that converts the measurement into an amplitude probability of reductionist matter.

Amplitude originated from the inverse square law that enabled a positive coupling of distance and time while the energy frequency of the black box experiment originally still relied on an inverse ratio of distance to time -- aka energy as the Law of Pythagoras (or the harmonic series).

So amplitude converts atom weight as time into speed momentum with twice the speed at twice the time measured as four times the distance. This was originally discovered by Descartes -- force = momentum time velocity. Similar results were found by Galileo, updated by Newton, etc. The original source, as I've detailed, was Archytas, the buddy of Plato.

The doubling of the octave as frequency (with inverse ratio as energy) is now dependent on the squaring of distance as weight tension so that, as supersymmetry models, for science as a whole mass squared is inversely proportional to energy frequency distance. So a weight of 4 equals the octave of two (previously under the harmonic series inverse ratio energy the octave would be 1/2 with the distance of 2). Under amplitude, the weight of two cubed equals a double octave, etc.

Relativity is the logical conclusion of the inverse square law showing that if energy frequency is near the speed of light then mass as a constant converts back to momentum as weight with distance creating reverse time and weight creating reverse space (anti-matter). This creates a singularity not measurable due to infinities (just like the black box experiment paradox) but now it's a black hole. The energy from this black hole is still determined by heat statistics creating a two-dimensional holographic "Bekenstein Bound."

The math of relativity relies on noneuclidian geometry but the energy result is converted by to euclidian geometry.

This black hole noneuclidian geometry can also be modeled using frequency as complementary opposites -- not relying on the inverse square law of reductionist matter. So just as mass as a gravitional constant is destroyed when energy frequency is close to light, so too is planck's constant destroyed when energy frequency is close to light -- only in this case the model relies on the frequency inverse ratios that had previously been rejected in the black box experiment.

Because of the complementary opposites, whereby number and geometry do not have a one-to-one correspondence, the Pythagorean triangle inherently is pulled in or attracted to the singularity, thereby resonating into energy at the speed of light. This geometry, two-dimensionally, is the 6-sided star (with each triangle pulling into the other) or the tai-chi symbol and as a three-dimensional "black hole" it's a tetrahedron.

The process of "measuring" energy as complementary opposite frequency is based on listening to the source of the number, as a harmonic -- so that there is no geometric distance, only natural resonance of number, without the means to say matter starts or ends based on a closed geometry. This means that philosophically humans exist WITHIN nature or ecology and that any attempt at external technological control relying on western measurements of energy and time and geometry, etc. is inherently destructive of ecology. The process to listen to this complementary opposite harmonic, expressed three-dimensionally, is the tetrahedron of the body, or the full-lotus body-mind harmonization.

2/14/2008 01:55:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Here's a "bourgeois" update on the water crisis:

http://gnn.tv/articles/3516/Atlanta_s_Drying_Lesson

2/14/2008 02:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,hold on folks,word has just broken,Hugo has cut off the oil.How long will it take the war ships from the gulf to get on the scene?I hope we can get there quick enough to save the poor people of Caracus,like we did in Iraq,God Bless Merica,later.

2/14/2008 02:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Hugo Chavez said...

Do you have a source?

2/14/2008 03:03:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Drew, I think I understand the origins of your apocalyptic fatalism now, and I think I really get a window of why you're stark raving mad. You're enemy is the act of measurement that you take as a proxy of everything tangible.

I still think you're mad to claim that the cause of environmental degradation can be laid at the door of a particular method of measurement and anything material that uses its incantations 'causes' environmental degradation. Presumably, since other cultures have exhibited environmental degradation all the same while utilizing different measuring systems doesn't seem to worry you or enter your mind. IN OTHER WORDS, no specific causality can be claimed for the single variable you claim is responsible.

You are arguing a single variable causality, though you don't know the first thing about ever testing your hypothesis on what proves causality. You just assume you are true, which in a nutshell, is your personality.

Drew:

"The concept of a "biostate" is naive. The problem is much, much deeper and radical and has to do with the evolution of language and how humans define infinity and how we created mathematics, etc. [so environmental degradation is the fault of language, 'the definition of infinity,' [wha?] and 'how we created mathematics' whatever that means.]

...

So let's start with the Black Box Experiment in physics..... [Wha? Whatever for? What does a mere thought experiment have to do with proving anything connected to all technologies for all time? Your 'Let's start' is saying 'so let's start my proof for claiming all material interventions case by case are bad by a simple thought experiment: by taking an electrified orange and sewing it inside a dead fox, the end result will be to argue that this particular messy outcome, in our minds of course only, is a case of how all inherent technological intrusion is inherently bad. No, we don't have to look at any other case except this thought experiment.' No, you're not even saying something that tangible an example. You're saying that a bounded culture of calculation processes doom something entirely unrelated, the set of all technologies for all time. That's nutter.]

...

...so that there is no geometric distance, only natural resonance of number, without the means to say matter starts or ends [?] based on a closed geometry. [?] [then, stunning, up out of the sea of madness--back to an entire different topic?] This means that philosophically ['means that philosophically,' so they don't really exist in ecologies only philosophies?] humans exist WITHIN nature or ecology and that any attempt at external technological control relying on western measurements of energy and time and geometry, etc. is inherently destructive..."


um. Here's my interpretation of your thinking process. 'there's no material problems, I don't know why though if we concentrate on an ancillary issue of claims to faulty analytical measurement issues then we can carry this critique back into the material world and claim nothing can be done, because by this non-sequitur I have provided what I consider proof.'

That's like saying all speakers of Esperanto are doomed to hell with their creations, because they speak Esperanto, not because you have actually looked at their creations.

Let's contrast my method. Take a single technology (and not the categories of all technologies for all time). Look at it (not asking a question of whether it's builder spoke Esperanto, and if so, that damns it to hell). Next, see what it's inputs are and what it's physical outputs are (instead of entirely ignoring this actual material issue of environmental degradation). In one case, one of them takes seawater and uses a temperature differential to generate free power, and sanitary water. Since many islands are fresh water insufficient for their populations, this seems ideal of a resource, particularly for small populations.

Let's take the other technology, the on-demand safe Brown's Gas generators (stoichiometric hydrogen and oxygen burning with an implosion yielding lots of energy without any externalities, except water once more.) It's input is water. It's output is only water, though you get lots of energy for free inbetween, coming from processes no one really entirely understands related to the implosion factor of burning the particular stoichiometric ratio of oxygen and hydrogen in H2O, that yields H20 immediately once more, though with a hell of a lot more power than you would expect. And it stores safe as water unlike separate hydrogen and oxygen tanks that are very dangerous. And the catalysts are particular frequencies without nasty expensive or unavailable (in the Third World) chemicals in the water as catalysts. Hey, it even takes in bad unsanitary water, from your latrine, and cleans it in the process of providing energy, and then 'waste clean water.' How nice.

And what about biomimicry? That's entirely closed loop. Look out, Spider-Man! Gecko inspires new glue. I sure hope no one starts to measure the effects somehow, then it damns this technology to hell, right?

In other words, Drew, what the measurement system used is, is not really important in the issue of environmental degradation. I don't think I'm the first to tell you this. Am I?

2/14/2008 03:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time Out! (why do you bother, Mark?)...
"Captain America is dead. True American patriotism is out, globalism is in. Changes in Marvel Comics superhero archetypes now suggest a turn away from truth, justice and the American way, and a move towards environmentalism, multi-cultural propaganda, and globalist agendas.Marvel Comics has now joined forces with the United Nations, both in order to polish its image, and to introduce more globalist imagery and ideas into the public conscience.

“In a move reminiscent of storylines developed during the second world war, the UN is joining forces with Marvel Comics, creators of Spider-Man and the Incredible Hulk, to create a comic book showing the international body working with superheroes to solve bloody conflicts and rid the world of disease. The comic, initially to be distributed free to one million US schoolchildren, will be set in a war-torn fictional country and feature superheroes such as Spider-Man working with UN agencies such as Unicef and the “blue hats”, the UN peacekeepers.”

Marvel Comics was once run by Stan Lee, and Stan Lee is has his own ties with behind the scenes political dealings. During Hillary Clinton’s 2000 Senatorial run, Stan Lee’s company, Stan Lee Media, was tied in a campaign finance scandal with Stan Lee’s friend, Peter Paul. Here’s a clip from 2005 where Stan Lee denies putting money into Clinton’s coffers.

Another example of politics intruding into the world of superheroes is a well known story of how the U.S. Department of Health approached Marvel Comics in 1971 to do a PSA-style issue of a Spiderman comic where Spiderman warns kids about drug abuse.

Whatever Lee’s intentions on who gets elected, certainly his media enterprises such as Stan Lee media and Marvel Comics are being influenced by politics, current events, and the globalist agenda.

Dozens of action figure lines, comic books, and movie franchises popular with kids are being changed over from fighting generic bad guys and defending American values to fighting for the blue helmeted thugs of the United Nations. In fact, the popular 80s cartoon G.I.Joe has now been retrofitted with an intro, erasing the ‘All American Hero’ title with ‘International Hero’. The globalists know that media can be a powerful tool in changing hearts and minds, and the hearts and minds of our children are now in the crosshairs of genocidal madmen and power hungry tyrants."

2/14/2008 07:16:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Mark: I'm responding to you just because you've made some incorrect assumptions about my writings and research -- which is freely available, btw -- as http://mothershiplanding.blogspot.com

On different cultures having environmental destruction even though they have different measuring systems -- I've never claimed this is not the case.

Basically civilization is only 10,000 years old and different cultures have more in common than we realize -- for example using a "divide and average" measuring system -- this was the case in China, Babylon, India, Egypt and the West.

How the West is different is the creation of analytic geometry, starting with the irrational number as a logical axiom for a precise symbol of infinity. Previously the divide and average systems used approximations.

The reason this is an important difference is because it created in the West a structural trajectory to the technology, expanding logarithmics, so that, unlike other cultures, new inventions were appropriated into a standardized measurement system based on property law that started with Plato. Professor David F. Noble's book: Forces of Production: A Social History of Automation is precisly about how independent inventors get forced into the corporate-state property system, without any choice on their own.

It's not that external technology is inherently bad it's just that civilization is a subset of a larger structural dynamic of ecology. Specifically left-brain dominance and right-hand dominance started with chimps -- female chimps were the first to use spears for hunting. Monogamous property rights started with gibbons, and so on.

So basically all of science is just a continuation of left-brain, right-hand dominance whereby measurements privy left-brain axioms that "contain" ecology into geometry, efficiently expanded with right-hand dominant technology.

Before this dominance happened, the Bushmen culture which was the dominant earth culture for humans from 10,000 BCE to 80,000 BCE, was considered "harmless" -- there was no organized warfare and the emphasis was precisely on the complementary opposite harmonics -- a right-brain dominant system that enables mind-body healing as free energy. This measurement system was privy to forest ecology where hearing is the dominant perception.

My book gives more details.

2/14/2008 09:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Ray Charles said...

Drew's right. I never did care for the saying "seeing is believing."

2/14/2008 10:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Stevie Wonder said...

I hear you man..

2/15/2008 12:00:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

""Captain America is dead. True American patriotism is out, globalism is in. Changes in Marvel Comics superhero archetypes now suggest a turn away from truth, justice and the American way, and a move towards environmentalism, multi-cultural propaganda, and globalist agendas.Marvel Comics has now joined forces with the United Nations, both in order to polish its image, and to introduce more globalist imagery and ideas into the public conscience.

“In a move reminiscent of storylines developed during the second world war, the UN is joining forces with Marvel Comics, creators of Spider-Man and the Incredible Hulk, to create a comic book showing the international body working with superheroes to solve bloody conflicts and rid the world of disease. The comic, initially to be distributed free to one million US schoolchildren, will be set in a war-torn fictional country and feature superheroes such as Spider-Man working with UN agencies such as Unicef and the “blue hats”, the UN peacekeepers.”"




Oh no!

Say it ain't so!

You...you mean that we've lost the 'pot-bellied middle-aged stunted adolescents with repressed homo-erotic tendencies' demographic

along with

the 'spoiled brats of financially well-off parents who have enough moola to blow on $3 monthly comics and $20 action figures to replace the good cuddle they're too emotionally stunted to give' demographic?

Oh no!

Does this mean 'the movement' is doomed to failure?

Is this a multi-colored 2 dimensional death knell for everything we hold dear and sacred here in the land of

FREEDOM (you know, the place where we take all the aborigines land for free)

&

JUSTICE (where a tiny minority of greedy motherfuckers call dibs on EVERYTHING by screaming "Hey, just us.")


So, what exactly is the point of this blacklisted news website?

Does it have a kind of 'all the news you were too fucking stupid to realize on your own' ambiance kind of groove going?

Before you get your funny paper panties in a bunch about the "globalist" comic books you should understand one thing:

superheroes are inherently fascistic.

& here's the cure:

Don't buy 'em.

I know it appears complicated, but it really isn't.

2/15/2008 01:25:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

superheros fascistic?
sweet, now i can geek out for a second here...
Like in the Batman "the Dark Knight Returns" series where Superman is a pawn of the US government and Batman tries to kill him. Bats, (now aged) is consumed by his hatred for the injustices he sees and by his addiction to vigilantism and returns to crime busting...
creates a new system of Law by his followers in the wake of the chaos that ensues after a limited nuclear war..
Anyone ever hear of "Stardust"
a very early (1920's) comic by Fletcher Hanks?
Talk about heavy handed...though he uses his powers to bust crime.
Crime.
High crimes and misdemeanors...

2/15/2008 08:04:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

GI JOE!!!
porkchop sandwiches!!
Oh and it's "A real American Hero"
and not an "all American Hero."
I know, big difference...
and yeah...lookit Cobra, "A ruthless Terrorist Organization Determined to Rule the World!!!"
sounds like things are a little flippidy floppidy...it's so ridiculous
Cobra Comander, (George W. Bush) and Destro, the brains of the operation, (Dick Cheney)..
And Zartan...(Carl Rove?)
I think these guys used to sit arounds with Ronal Reagan and throw back a bunch of Scotch and snort coke and watch GI JOE.
yeah. not really.

2/15/2008 08:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Pikachu said...

comics are no longer relevant, so who cares about them? pokemon is the current brainwashing tool of the new world order.

2/15/2008 08:32:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Like a bear grown accustomed to the trash at campgrounds, knowing in some part of its mind that this is not what how he was meant to live, but drawn nonetheless by the lure of easy pickings--inedible crap though it be—I’ve once again turned away from what I should be doing (sorry Ty, Dave & Gav—I promise, this is it!) to roust about in this messy campground.

I am going to try to limit myself to just a few of the choicer bits, and I promise not to sermonize again (hey, I’m the second son of a second son—what can I say if I’ve neglected my calling?)

The first bite is Jeff’s. Well, he’s not listening anymore, the usual stupid Drew vs. the world act is now onstage drowning out all thought with its incessant bouzouki playing, and I know I shouldn’t bite the hand that’s fed me so well, but I’m so fed up that I have to spit something back out.

There’s something weird in the air—the people who’ve been shining their light on me are all suddenly sticking their heads in paper bags awaiting the end…and telling us to join them. I spent yesterday writing Joe Bageant a most heartfelt multi-page kick in the ass for writing a planetary suicide note full of admiration for the genius of Malthus, and now I’m back here in the same WTF?! mood.

I was really hoping that when you finished this one, Jeff, you’d return to the guiding principle you’ve still got hanging on your masthead. You know, the old “what you don’t know won’t hurt them,” the implication of which is that behind the deceptions that cause us not to know there’s something worth knowing.

What happened, dude?

Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I just don’t get this ending. You do have “Adds up to one big lie” in great big bold print…but then what?

I recall one time that you and some of the lads were under siege on the discussion board by a person who was very hostile to Israel, understandably so in the light of its behavior towards the poor souls trapped, eye & mouthless in Gaza, and I just happened by right at that moment when you guys were on the ropes in your attempt, not to justify Israeli policy, but to put the government’s behavior in the context of the way that governments behave, which most often is no relfection on their subjects or their subjects’ culture and religion, etc.

Not that I really helped you out in any meaningful way, but you were grateful at the time that I jumped in to tell the story of Amos Elon--who had been there from the start, the boy who fled Vienna for Palestine in ‘33, became the conscience of the Left, and 71 years later, disgusted & demoralized, bailed ship--and his daughter Danae, whose accidental, autobiographical documentary, Another Road Home revealed the human dynamic of the subjects on both sides living under the forces that shaped the conditions of their world.

More important to that discussion and the impasse to which it had come, I put forth the theory (not mine, of course) that all conflicts and human miseries—most especially the ones with the “intractable” label—are in some sense engineered conflicts.

The logic is simple. If someone benefits from one of these intractables (power, control, money or all of the above), then they’ve either created the problem in the first place (the whole Cold War/Gladio/Wars On complex, etc) or have done nothing to stop the suffering (Irish potato famine, Katrina, etc).

This is the cui bono? path that you’ve been so brilliant in following in the past, heedless of the conspiracy theory mantle that is placed on anyone who goes there.

The wider implication of all this, however, and the thing that brings it back to your masthead, is the strangely unasked question, “If that was all lies and deceptions, then what else is there, how else could things have been…or still be?”

Without this, you see, all the cui bonisms are just pissing in the wind, devoid of purpose & meaning—what is the point if there’s nothing behind the lies?

So…here, in the final installment of the Empire’s nervous breakdown, when you say:

Britney Spears is not a distraction. That's what politics, and America's national bipolar disorder, is for.

It makes perfect sense—we know that America has this crappy illusion of freedom & democracy hiding its fascist, imperialist nature. So far, so good.

The paragraph giving us the incestuous links between the wings of the Party was good, too. Of course Rush-Ann-John love Hill-Bill-Barack; what’s a provacateur without his foil? But we knew that no one no how on the ‘Left’ was going to change the imperial policy (although there is always room to make it even worse.) This assurance doesn’t just come from the burning bushes on the ‘Right,’ either—Lewis Lapham’s ‘Leftie’ rag spilled those beans last year already, not that we really needed him to.

In fact, they’ve been taunting us with the truth all along, just to remind us who’s boss. We’re told that the Founding Fathers hated the limits on freedom that Hobbes described for the absolute rule of Charles II as the last rebel corpses were being burned at the end of merry old England’s civil war: freedom is granted at the discretion of the Sovereign only to the extent consistent with (his conception of) good public order.

Are we to imagine that Katherine Graham’s little ‘behind the scenes’ admission of the real role of the press (as laid down 25 years earlier by her shotgun-suicided husband Phil) was not meant to be heard by a wider audience? I mean really, if the speech was given at the CIA fer chrissakes, how is that every trufer knows these words?

"We live in a dirty and dangerous world…There are some things the general public does not need to know and shouldn't. I believe democracy flourishes when the government can take legitimate steps to keep its secrets and when the press can decide whether to print what it knows." (Context & more here…)

Why then would Dana Priest(ess of the same Washington Post) have had to put on such an award-winning performance when the world was getting ansty about the CIA protecting our freedoms in its usual faux-so-secret manner?

Now that was a classic bait & switch—first she wins a Pulitzer in ’05 for “revealing” the existence of secret prisons in “Eastern European countries that are democracies that have embraced the rule of law and individual rights after decades of Soviet domination,” but then, after assuring us that our free press is alive & well, she’s called back to the stage in a CSPAN conference in August, 2006 to repeat the same old message after all.

When some “reporter” in the audience asks which countries are harboring the dungeons, she pauses for effect, puts on a mischievous smile—her face changing in that moment, as she channels Katherine Graham channeling Phil--and says:

“After conferring with the CIA and the State Dep’t, we’ve decided not to say. We have a responsibility to decide what’s in the public interest to know.”

We know this story. Everyone does. When you live in a National Security State, it means that unelected persons are performing certain deeds (in our interest, naturally) that are beyond the pale of any congressional oversight or public knowledge. We know, if we care enough to follow this through to its obvious conclusion, that you can’t really say you have a democracy when there are elements and agencies within your government with potentially unlimited power doing who knows what to further agendas about which we are not allowed to have any knowledge.

Uneasy with this and with signs of nasty shit going down all over the world under this kind of killing field carte blanche, real investigators began to dig, many dying in the process. Others achieved a sort of safe status. Bill Blum is a great example. He’s not assassinatible, but he is safely marginalized after Agent USAma himself (still playing the role that Brzezinski gave him, with man-of-peace, “that’s our oil under their sand” Jimmy Carter’s blessing) endorses Blum’s Rogue State for amazon.com.cnn.gov…

So where have we come, Jeff?

I hate to even speculate on such things, but is middleworld hitting a nerve here?

Don’t answer if so, or if you do, say it ain’t so. I’ve been reading up on McTaggart & Popp’s work on remote healing, and it turns out that the Voodoo Effect is even stronger than the healing vibe. (Unlike our resident fraud with his egomaniacal orgasm assault strategy, Qi masters with ethics acknowledge that the negative vibe is also at the root of healing and must be very carefully guarded against.) If your life & health are at stake, well, the world doesn’t need your blood to add to the martyr’s ocean that’s already been spilled.

The other thing I don’t get at all is the cheesy alien stuff. As part of the Illusion, the distraction that never ends, okay, but what’s with this intentionally ambiguous, Twilight/Tabloid-zone conclusion?

The salvation-model politics of hope and change finds its happy opposite in the doomsong of Alex Jones, for whom martial law is always one broadcast away. Both come from the same fraudulent dichotomy of salvation and damnation, in which the future redemption or Armageddon never quite arrives. The harder truth may be that this is our destination. And they're not coming for us; they're here already, and they've always had us.

Take Back America. Maybe America belongs to others, and that's what they're doing.


Of course America belongs to others—it always has! Bankers, industrialists, land speculators, war profiteers…it’s a long list, sure, but why drag Whitley Strieber’s butt-pluggers into it? Is that any better than all that Illuminati crap?

Unless it’s the cravings of the audience you’re addressing…in which case, so what? Is the herd really to blame for buying all that crap? Is it our fault that “this is our destination?” The fact that you feel that there’s nothing we can do is bad enough as it is, but this other thing is a stunning reversal of the intrepid investigator’s quest. Don’t blame the cats who run the show, eh?

The main problem with that line of thought is just that it’s not true. Sure, lots of folks believe whatever their TVs and their ‘history’ books tell them, but the deeper truth is that most of us just put up with it without ever really buying into it, regardless of how we amuse ourselves.

You don’t need to file a FOIA for this one, either. Shelter, food, water & energy are the material needs that every human on the planet shares. I won't speculate on what everyone needs beyond the material plane, although that stuff about life, liberty & the pursuit of something like happiness sounds universal enough.

The fact that there’s always been enough of these for everyone is a well-guarded secret to be sure, but this knowledge is finally getting out of its box…through the many cracks that its handling has caused. Too many phony wars, too much needless suffering, and way too much glad-handed, smiling hypocrisy have made us all far too suspicious to really believe anything they tell us.

What’s new is that real issues are coming from the bottom up now, as opposed to “all that phony stuff on sports 'n all the unconfirmed reports” that always come from the top down through the regular channels; real regular people are talking sedition & treason over the water cooler again.

Mark’s excellent link on Malthus’ agenda is one example (and thanks, Mark—I sent that along to Joe as well.) Even if they don’t know the history of the swindle, or the science of it--that linear growth only happens in the closed system of the lab or with creatures taken out of their natural habitat & cycles of reproduction--people are starting to ask some embarrasing questions, like:

“Why is it that population growth has stopped, even dropped for white folks?”

Could it have something to do with standards of living, or is Hitler’s master race just tired of making love, or possibly too tired from “staring into the Abyss?”

Or, if you don’t want to accept the crass materialist explanation (“It’s the money”), here’s another more philosophical factor that every gosh darn farmer in the Midwest knows:

Humans are the only creatures aware of their own mortality (or so we think)—isn't it just possible that we have large litters when prospects aren’t so hot, in order that some might survive? Now how would an equitable distribution of wealth affect that dynamic?

Oh yeah, that gets back to the aryan nations prosperous/everyone else fucking dying coincidence.

Okay, take another issue bubbling up, as the loyal minions have already done here: water. Folks aren’t much liking this talk of privatization, of “letting the discipline of the market” solve the problem. Some of the very poorest among us are taking the matter into their own hands, with amazing results in fixing the crisis using traditional, egalitarian methods as well as in fighting the greedy bastards who are causing the scarcity & panic in the first place.

With water, it is a panicky situation because, as the much-maligned (by fools who still understand nothing of his insight) Schauberger said, water is the life of the earth. Despite all the fat ladies singing Wagner, however, miraculous water still has the power to regenerate itself, the land and us. Even the saltiest deserts are greened with the tiniest amounts of water & patience.

The last item/issue, very sorry, folks—it’s been building up for a long time—is maybe the best proof that there is something behind The Big Lie worth revealing.

There’s a hidden thread in your political incest paragraph that’s got lots of folks riled up. McCain, a white man who probably still can’t lose to others not of his phenotype or chromosomal disposition, (despite the Leader telling his good ol’ boys that nooses ain’t “funny” no more) has good old James Woolsey in his camp. Woolsey, the creepy CIA director who has "visionaries" like Daniel Pinchbeck working on his very creepy TAI project has taken a position in favor of legalizing industrial hemp, while simultaneously boasting of being attacked in High Times for his stance on legalizing medical marijuana.

This is where it gets interesting. The DEA has passed its own law banning hemp in any form whatsoever, justifyng its massive new budget on the dangers posed by Woody Harrelson’s wardrobe and those little hempen items in your healthfood store. Lots of loyal Drug War supporters—well, Kentuckians anyway—find this stupid and annoying, while a majority of that supposedly stupid herd are finding the whole prohibition on pot to be very stupid indeed.

It’s one of those issues like the ones on which Mark gives us those poll results that demonstrate the fact that a very strong majority of the supposedly ignorant, distracted and bitterly divided public actually want what their government and its sponsors very much do not want. The cui bono factor here is child’s play.

As a person with MS, I can’t help but hear everyone who either has the disease or is treating it wonder why the cheapest, most effective & least harmful treatment is prohibited, while the most expensive, side-effect heavy shit is making Pharma so much money…and the patients so much sicker.

I had originally thought that part of the problem was that it wasn’t enough that people with MS said it worked (why listen to patients anyway?), or that there weren’t any studies proving the effectiveness of a plant with which we’ve coevolved (that’s why it works, just as with apples, opium and even the receptors we’ve grown for McKenna’s DMT elves) but it turns out that there are.

It’s just that the media, including National Corporate Radio, prefer to run the quack science studies funded by those stink tanks, you see; the ones where they interview a tiny sampling group and don’t bother to screen for variables…oh look, here comes another one now.

In the case of medical marijuana, all of the usual propaganda tools aren’t working. People aren’t buying the cover up, probably because they figure, “Christ! Let the poor bastards smoke pot if they say it helps, ye great knobs!” But they’re also getting pretty cynical about the whole Drug War scheme. It’s not just the potheads anymore. You’ve got the folksy voices of reason and the fence-sitters and even the conservatives saying it’s a racket.

And that makes it not just politically ripe, but just plain easy for the intrepid investigator.

In Scotland, with the highest incidence of the disease in the world, the recent decision handed down from London barring marijuana from the already independence-minded Scots to treat their landsmen with the noble lowly weed might just be the straw that broke the camel’s back.

I wonder how candidate/president McCain will react to this Tea Party.

He’s already made an ass of himself on the campaign trail when confronted by the guy from Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, as have all the Stepford personalities, well, except maybe Obama, who only looked nervous and uncertain of what answer would triangulate best, until he then decided to toe the party line after all.

The reason this issue is so cool is because unlike Gladio or vote fraud or the money trail between bankers & terrorism, people are interested because it touches their lives. As such, it’s got the potential to be the first domino: you’ve got your cui bono/engineered disaster dynamic, huge public distrust of the Lie, and the revelation of cynical, wasteful enterprise that The War On Drugs has always been.

The reason the racketeers can’t afford to lose this racket has to do with that domino effect: if one racket is exposed, how can all the other syndicates stand?

There’s a great documentary out called The Union: behind the business of getting high (check out the trailer!) which could just push that first domino hard enough…and then what’s next, the national security “protection” racket, corporate personhood…how about the great economic divide, that swindle without precedent?

But, no, I must be getting all euphorically optimistic from my last medication.

I guess one man’s dying ray is another’s first light of day.

(Or was it trashheap and treasure?)

2/15/2008 10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Hous Bin Pharteen said...

shut up ic, you brown gas bag. go back to saving the world and leave us alone oh flatulent one.

2/15/2008 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Good to hear from you IC.

Hey Shrub, how's your new life treating you?

2/15/2008 12:43:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

hous bin pharteen:

How dare you???????

IC:

There are some of us who DO appreciate what you write.

After being carried along by your words, I have to read the insulting comment that follows????

RI used to be a place where people could write something like you just did and it would either be followed by more thoughtful agreeing or disagreeing by people who had more to express than just their asshole or genital activities.

I will join Shrub somewhere in Neverland, for this will be the last time I visit here, even reading the comments is no longer an option for me.

We both have better things to accomplish than wasting our time being told we are full of gaseous shit!!!!

See you at your site.

I tend to agree with Shrub and you. Something has happened to Jeff?????and the comments he has been attracting lately (except for Mark) are just comments.

No longer are we in this together for for the virus of duality, paranoia, and egocentric blather has infected RI.

Cheers!!!!

2/15/2008 03:28:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Well, I enjoyed reading IC today. I hope I don't have this virus - is it the one where your head swells all up?

In fact, I thought IC's post was great today - maybe my medication is in tune with his for once.

I kind of like all the titillating ghost story stuff, myself, especially when it can be used to illustrate a point or expand an idea. I enjoyed mentally riffing on ghost spacemen as much as anything else. I don't know much about this kind of stuff, though. Jeff's work here does seem a bit subdued and such here lately, and there are certainly some deeply annoying people here (myself included, no doubt), but I'll prolly keep popping in. I don't get out much.

Now, time for lunch and hot drinks.
Lord Reptor.

2/15/2008 04:32:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

The problem with Lynn McTaggert's "Voodoo Effect" is she doesn't understand qigong -- this is a very common issue with Western studies of qigong. She considers "visualizing the void" to be a negative intention compared to "visualizing light." That's just plain stupid. The void CAN NOT BE VISUALIZED -- it's based on total surrender or listening to the source of the I-thought. "Surrender" just is a right-brain harmonization process -- you adjust the body into a form of the formless or into a form of complementary opposite harmonics (like tai chi or the full-lotus or the small universe excerise). When we listen to music that's more of a right-brain process. When we analyze the harmonics of nonwestern music that's a left-brain process and it's the same as logical inference or "listening" to the source of the I-thought. The only real harmony is beyond intention and beyond visualization and then happens automatically from the form of the formless -- most directly as the full-lotus body position.

This is why Pythagoras stated:

All is Number AND HARMONY (but the West leaves out the last half since it refers to the Goddess Harmonia as female formless awareness).

A good book on the subject is Dr. David A. Palmer's Qigong Fever (Columbia University Press, 2007) -- he is a western academic who does understand qigong and he teaches in Hong Kong now. He and I corresponded when he was at the London School of Economics.

The people I received energy transmissions from -- qigong masters Chunyi Lin and Jim Nance -- are having their N.I.H. pain relief study soon completed, with the results compiled by Dr. Hill being discussed in a week with the Spring Forest Qigong healing center at http://springforestqigong.com. Qigong master Chunyi Lin told my level III class that "Drew is a healer." Qigong master Chunyi Lin also co-authored a qigong chapter with oncologist Dr. Nina Mishek for the Mayo Clinic's medical textbook.

2/15/2008 04:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GGG have you ever read Korzybski?

"A civilisation that cannot burst through its current abstractions is doomed to sterility after a very limited period of progress."

2/15/2008 09:10:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Well my first encounter with him was in Gregory Bateson's work (the map is not the territory) and I've discussed him with others who are keen on him. The idea of not using the verb "to be" is fascinating but ignores the direct connection between abstract mathematics and the verb "to be."

The first logical axiom "I am that I am" (the definition of God) comes from Vedic philosophy (both God and Brahman mean Bull in their indo-european root - god from gott). Vedic philosophy relies on that axiom to create a symmetric-based left-brain analysis where "I Am that I Am" refers to the 4 levels of reality: I is the waking state, AM is the dream and deep sleep state or AUM -- and "that" is the 4th state or turiya -- consciousness beyond deep sleep. AM or AUM became AMEN in Egypt and as OHM it's the same as the tai-chi symbol, yin and yang resonating as complementary opposite harmonics. So in complementary opposite harmonics I is 1, or self-transcending signifer, the root of the ego, while AM is 2:3:4, as yang-yin or ohm, and "that" is female formless awareness. The West took those ratios using Vedic cipher logic (symmetric equations using one, zero and phonetic symbols) and converted them to logarithms with the addition of the Babylonian equation arithmetic mean x harmonic mean = geometric mean squared, as I detail in my previous posts, found in my blogbook and the subsequent comments -- online as "Against Archytas: How the West Lost Alchemy or the secret of complementary opposite harmonics."

An excellent example of the limitation of western thinkers is found in the academic book by Dr. John Crook and James Low, "The Yogins of Ladakh: A Pilgrimage among the Hermits of the Buddhist Himalayas." (1997). Dr. Crook is a psychology researcher in the U.K. and now a Dharma Ch'an mind yoga teacher as well.

They note:

"One Western scholar has attempted to compare Mahayana Buddhist ideas with those of Western thinkers. In his study of the great Japanese Zen philosopher Dogen, Steven Heine shows that none of the viewpoints of Freud, Heidegger, or Sartre were capable of conveying the full depth of Dogen's thought, even though in places they reflect some of his central ideas. He concluded that 'the multidimensionality of Dogen's view does suggest a fundamentally more comprehensive and universalistic outlook than any of the Western thinkers.'" (preface).

The same limitation applies to Korzybski.

This book "The Yogins of Ladakh" is an excellent read and emphasizes that tantra essentially needs to be secret because of the serious problem of subconscious projection by others -- worse than demons! haha.

2/15/2008 09:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IC,
thank you for that wonderful post. i'm sure there are lots out there that agree with you.

2/16/2008 04:59:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

from the short film:

"You can solve all the world's problems, in a garden. You can solve it all, and most people don't know that, and it makes them insecure [to see it happen and the problems disappear before their eyes because they are more attached to their worries and mental constructions than solving the issue]."

Greening the Desert (5:20 min)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sohI6vnWZmk

http://permaculture.org.au

A short film on turning the salty desert around the heavily salty Dead Sea in Israel into a garden without pumping in extra water or artificial fertilizer/herbicides.

Perhaps for Haiti as well?

2/16/2008 07:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can solve all the world's problems, in a garden.

And George Bush could be, or could have been, a Qinong Master, but never was nor will ever be. It's insulting to continually post this kind of tripe here. We all know what's possible, and we also know why the possible is highly improbable. The focus and solution should be on the operative "why" in the statement above.

Drew has an extremely valid point. A solution to the disaster that is Western Civilization cannot be derived from the constucts and philosophy that engendered that disaster. Neither Mark nor IC have proven that they are free from the restraints of Western philosophy. They give us more of what we have heard our entire lives: "this might suck but think of what is possible if only...." The "if only" part's the catch, though. Of course, any one who seriously challenges Mark or IC on any of this is quickly labeled a naysayer or dissenter and they are chastisingly asked what they have done for Liberty today. Be extremely cautious of anyone who throws the term Liberty around so loosely. In my experience, it's often a dead giveaway that they are white supremacist whether they care to admit that, or not.

Also, how can anyone read any further when a poster starts out so arrogantly with the following:

Like a bear grown accustomed to the trash at campgrounds, knowing in some part of its mind that this is not what how he was meant to live, but drawn nonetheless by the lure of easy pickings--inedible crap though it be—I’ve once again turned away from what I should be doing (sorry Ty, Dave & Gav—I promise, this is it!) to roust about in this messy campground.

You arrogant piece of shit!! How could, and why would, anyone read a sentence further after you have so arrogantly insulted anybody and everybody with such a statement. This thread was moving along quite nicely before you decided to shit right in the middle of it with your incessant, rambling, pedantic vomit. Next time you have to take a dump, do so in a bag fashioned of hemp and when it's full (which won't take long considering how frequently you defecate) deliver it to Belliosto so he can build an extra room on his house of shit.

Oh, and Ty and Big Gav, and the rest of your fan club can shove it up their collective asses. If that's the establishment of the future, which of course it's not and never will be, I want no part of it. It's just more of the same, and how could it not be considering all of you, all of us, were nutured on the poisonous milk of Western Philosophy.

2/16/2008 09:28:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

"A solution to the disaster that is Western Civilization ...

"Western Civilization" has nothing to do with anything. No one area of the world is better than another.

Besides, I don't think anyone can ever agree what that terms means.

How do you blame a timeless proper noun for anything historical?

True, the history of European imperialism expanded the process of degradation immesurably, though the same process was occurring elsewhere and the European case is not particular categorically special in kind, only in scale. I only lightly touch on it in the intro to this post.

Yours (and Drew's claims--given that you are probabaly (not?) Drew)
are the only claim of supremacism that we hear around here. On the contrary, anonymous people who introduce straw man terms (that no one talked about) and then rail against them (like "Liberty") are what are hard to take seriously I think.

The point is that there are many other options, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. And they are as real as any of your fears there are none.

Sure, there are fascinating patterns in environmental degradation histories of different areas of the world, and comfortably numb metaphysical views that have withdrawn from the world like Drew's tend to be the intellectual climate associated with them, though that has never been all there is. States of degradation politics tend to collapse in a fit of localization pressures against them, instead of collapse in the midst of a lack of options and despair. States start to be disbelieved because other options start to be seen. We could talk about that, though that's from a 2,000 page draft study of Japan, China, and Europe and I'm kind of busy elsewhere for the moment. ;-)

If you want to be rigorous, rigorousness starts at home (i.e., in your own mind). I guess my only lesson here is don't fall in love with your hatred.

2/16/2008 10:23:00 AM  
Blogger Belliosto said...

anon 9:28 said this thread was moving along quite nicely before you decided to shit right in the middle of it...

Not much was being said though enjoyable reading. Also Mark and GGG communicating on a somewhat personal level is educational and more knowledge to put in the cornucopia. There was the dialog that was not of any serious import. Just people communicating ideas and such. No one could have shit in the middle of that except for you. Sorry I may be cheap but not sick. I only use my own stuff for building material.

Respectfully I appreciated IC's post. Thank you IC. The opposition to the Pharma Biz with alternative solutions such as pot is a breathe of fresh air. The prohibition days due to the 18th Amendment was a big shot in the arm for corrupted politicos. Of course so is prohibition of pot today. Without the black market funding and presence the military industrial complex would not be as successful or as dominant. The persons profiting from the billions of dollars generated by the black markets love their super-weapons and super cities such as the District of Columbia. I believe Soros is one of them. What do you think about the access of marijuana by children if made legal IC? I do not believe there are studies that have determined how pot affects their still developing nervous systems. Kids are kids and if pot is finally made legal the youngsters will find a way to party hardy.

2/16/2008 11:01:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

to Drew, who said what really is hypocritical I think:

"On different cultures having environmental destruction even though they have different measuring systems -- I've never claimed this is not the case.

...

How the West is different is the creation of analytic geometry, starting with the irrational number as a logical axiom for a precise symbol of infinity. Previously the divide and average systems used approximations."


Comment?

2/16/2008 11:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

belliosto not only builds a house of shit, he's also full of shit. an endless supply of shit. nice job of asslicking mr. shitmason. get lost white men and let us enjoy talking about how bad the system is. go save the world already, will you. you can't do it talking here to people who think you're full of shit. all of you looking for salvation at this place, there's news for you. there is no salvation here, just more bad news, an endless supply, and that's the way we like it. you have your marijuana and we have our bad news. they both accomplish the same thing so quit killing our buzz with your bullshit rantings about a better world.

2/16/2008 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Anon said...

“We all know what's possible, and we also know why the possible is highly improbable. The focus and solution should be on the operative "why" in the statement above.”

I agree that our focus is better placed on the why rather than on ‘what’s possible’. I also agree that inherent limitations of Western Philosophy play a part in making the possible highly improbable. Still Western Philosophy is the bridge we are walking on at the moment. None of us have ‘proven’ ourselves beyond the restraints of Western Philosophy, not even Drew.

Please show us where IC or Mark have...”chastisingly asked what they have done for Liberty today. Be extremely cautious of anyone who throws the term Liberty around so loosely.”

I do not have the inclination to look back but I do not recall the word Liberty used that way or even much at all by IC or Mark. This straw man ruins the credibility of the rest of your screed.

2/16/2008 12:41:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

I was in McDonald's a couple weeks ago and a friend gave me a small bag for travel items. I had no use for it so offered it to the Mexican McDonald's worker nearby: Quieres una bolsa? Para que? No se, por viajando, etc.

He said he was from Oaxaca and had been in the U.S. only a year.

Quite ironic since the popular indigenous movement of Oaxaca successfully stopped the opening of a McDonald's in their central square.

Here's an excellent essay on the unique dynamics of what has happened in Oaxaca -- in the forefront of the news last year. My mentor in activism, Dr. John E. Peck, filed a report as part of the Family Farm Defenders visiting one of the political prisoners -- the guards did not let them in the prison!

Gustavo Esteva's below essay describes what makes Oaxaca different from Western forms of political philosophy:

http://www.familyfarmdefenders.org/pmwiki.php/FoodSovereignty/Oaxaca-ThePathOfRadicalDemocracy

2/16/2008 01:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

iridescent cuttlefish said...


By the way, "Viktor Schauberger" (that you again, Shrub?): old Viktor was taken out of the insane asylum where he was hiding from the Nazis and given one of those "Do this work or be shot!" ultimatums, unlike Werner von Braun and the other Nazi scientists who were party members...

It happened again when he was brought against his will to the US, where he was forced to surrender his life's work, only to die five days later.

The contrast between him and the scientists working for the Military-Industrial Complex is quite interesting. Do you suppose that the guy who invented napalm was forced to at gun point?

What did you do for liberty today?

(The "They call me deranged. The hope is they are right..." line comes from Viktor's explanation that if he wasn't wrong and insane, then the world would one day run out of fresh water...)

1/30/2008 03:53:00 PM


ic's moral relevancy above puts schauberger on the same moral footing as konrad adenauer and sophie scholl. of course, could we expect nothing less from a good german? i'm quite tired of this german stranglehold on the course of events for at least a 100 years now. it's time to relinquish their spot as kings of the hill. in fact, it's time for there to be no more hill.

2/16/2008 01:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Silly Rabbit said...

One quick question. What is nutured?

2/16/2008 02:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Raul said...

"…it’s a long list, sure, but why drag Whitley Strieber’s butt-pluggers into it?"

Because it's all highly relevant and as equally important as everything else we're discussing here.

However, while we should still seek to understand, we must not allow ourselves to be consumed by this thirst for knowledge; seek and accept that maybe we just aren't supposed to understand at the same time--at least be able to not despair at not knowing.

2/16/2008 03:48:00 PM  
Blogger Belliosto said...

anon 12:39 you are resorting to babyism. Whah Ricki I only want bad news today. Whah I don't want any thing else I promise. Just bad news and I'll be a good boy. For real, for real. This is true. It's true. Check out www.rotten.com not that I care about your whining. Maybe the site will relax you.

2/16/2008 04:06:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Mark..Numbers are a human construct to measure and the term "infinity" is language to describe something that cannot be measured with numbers. The catch all for the language is mathematically represented by zero.

IC..Kids have always smoked pot. It's been rumoured that it's good for them. As far as pot goes, it has it's limitations and may not always be a good thing.

Shrub..Your cowardice has dropped to new lows.

Now for something from me, that you haven't thought of before. It's new. It's mine.

The smoking gun is chemtrails. It's a soul catcher. It blots out our sun, moon, stars and messes up the cosmic connection we have in this universe and to it's Creator. There is evil in this world. It has always been here. Chemtrails operate like a capacitor. Layers of metal and plastic to separate the layers, creates an energy field that collects the cosmic consciousness and powers evil. It is the power of fear and it manifests itself in the outrage of corruption we see and hear about daily. The greater the good, it's equal and opposite evil is there for balance. That's the way it is. Without good, there could be no evil.

2/16/2008 07:46:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

"i'm quite tired of this german stranglehold on the course of events for at least a 100 years now..."

This is just another categorical fallacy here. (Are you sure you aren't Drew's sockpuppet thinking no capitalizations can disguise the same bombastic writing on the same topics?)

The point, Drew, to which you are afraid to respond, I'm back to talking to Drew though Drew is back to posting things talking to himself, is if you claim that 'western mathematics' is exclusively tied to global environmental degradation, yet other cultures and political economies with different mathematics systems you agree degraded their environment, you can't claim both at once and your whole argument falls apart.

It's simple causal inference with matching and blocking. If the same effect occurs in all cases, you can't claim exclusive causality for your pet theory that only appears in one case, because the same effect occurs in other cases without the variable in question.

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Meanwhile, it looks like the Iranian oil bourse, in their own currency, will be opening anyway this month. The Iranian oil bourse will open just a few weeks later than scheduled perhaps due to all those cut communication cables leading in the Middle East.

Other countries are moving away from pegging themselves to the U.S. dollar as well, so it will drop even more.

It doesn't help that the U.S. has hidden the "M3" that would show how much money in circulation there is worldwide in U.S. dollars.

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Meanwhile, Obama it is claimed is a 32nd degree Prince Hall Mason--and who knows what else given his (Ok, pretty distant) relations to Bush and Cheney. Regardless, I doubt his fast rise in U.S. national politics, primed from a big Electoral College state, is a coincidence given things in the past several threads I mentioned that I won't repeat here...


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Though perhaps the vote machines will pull through for Hillary.

7 Point Swing for Clinton Over Obama in NH's Diebold Precincts

The exit polls said Obama should have won, instead of (Bush family old friend) Hillary Clinton.

And in New York:

NYTimes: 0-bama [Zero for Obama] at as Many as 80 'Heavily Black' New York City Precincts

"Black voters are heavily represented in the 94th Election District in Harlem’s 70th Assembly District. Yet according to the unofficial results from the New York Democratic primary last week, not a single vote in the district was cast for Senator Barack Obama.

That anomaly was not unique. In fact, a review by The New York Times of the unofficial results reported on primary night found about 80 election districts among the city’s 6,106 where Mr. Obama supposedly did not receive even one vote, including cases where he ran a respectable race in a nearby district."


And in super Electoral College State of California the same things have occurred, though I can't find the numbers right now...help?

Though the righter-than-the-fascists Republican clique are still in charge of the machines:

"After sifting through the results of California's primary, a phenomenon has occurred that can only be explained as a statistical miracle. In California, a state larger and more diverse than many countries, each and every congressional district returned the same result. The Republican candidates placed first through fourth in the same order and in nearly the same proportion except for CD 52 where in an inexplicable fit of randomness, Romney beat McCain. It's astonishing."

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This is interesting, the Kennedies are backing Obama--anything I guess except Clinton/Bush since the Bushes are the Kennedy-killing clique so tied in with killing them off for 30 years:

"Opinion polls have indicated a major surge for Barack Obama since his 28-point drubbing of Hillary Clinton in South Carolina 10 days ago and his subsequent endorsement from Senator Edward Kennedy and other leading members of the Kennedy clan."

2/17/2008 08:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for getting things back on track, Mark. Please keep the bad news coming and leave out the part about how it doesn't have to be so bad. Of course it has to be so bad otherwise we would have nothing to talk and lament about and we would have to actually enjoy life and what fun would that be?

2/17/2008 09:33:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

If this is what it takes for you to be authentic Shrub, by all means, go for it. No need to hide your negativity. Be proud of your authentic contribution to society.

You were the one that refused to do the dishes back in your commie commune days, weren't you?

(nkboyrnd) WV, and not your lying kind either Shrub.

2/17/2008 12:33:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

So anyway shlub, some good will come from you’re efforts to drive commenters away combined with your peculiar obsessivness. Your 'voice' is truer and it's easier to spot.

Are you sitting full lotus?

2/17/2008 01:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

some folks claim obama's a mason?
who? where?
do tell.

2/17/2008 01:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Michelle Obama said...

Some folks claim Barry is the anti-christ. I sure as hell hope so because it's about time, doncha think?

Barry is many things depending on one's purpose and agenda. He's the anti-christ to christian fundamentalist bigots. He's a mason to white separatist new world order fearing bigots. He's the next great hope to the progressive faction of the democratic party looking desperately for anybody to hang their hat on.

2/17/2008 01:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah, but who is he really?

2/17/2008 04:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Gepetto said...

A puppet.

2/17/2008 05:41:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Mark -- I would recommend Gustavo Esteva's philosophical writings on political science. As he emphasizes the West is obsessed with the concept of the "frontier" -- a sharp border of geometry -- while Native Indian philosophy relies on the concept of "horizon" -- like the Buddhists. For example in the book "Yogins of Ladakh" it's noted that we think of clouds as separate from the sky but clouds are products of wind and water which both merge back into space. Similarly there's an amazing story about how the sun set was stopped until Milarepa convinced a king to pay off his bill to the waitress. Milarepa ordered all 500 kegs of her wine and said he'd pay when the sun went down -- the horizon. After he put his sword into the sun, piercing it, so it couldn't lower past the horizon, then he could keep drinking the wine -- and not have to pay. After he got the king to pay his bill the waitress became his

"dakini jnana." (mind goddess)

Jnana is the concept of mind as the source of time -- beyond both space and time -- but jnana is discovered through pure left-brain logical inference. You repeat I-I-I-I-I to seek the source of your mind -- not as a mantra, but as logical inference.

So there is a spectrum of "civilization" whereby left-brain dominance became crystallized into no longer relying on pure logical inference but instead, as the West does, converting left-brain dominance into right-hand technology. As I've detailed sacred geometry of the East (even in Islam and orthodox Judaism) was switched to "irrational" geometry through the concept of left-brain "axiomatic symmetry" aka western mathematics.

That mathematical process became codified in India as early as 3000 BCE -- as Professor Abraham Seidenberg identified the origin of the Pythagorean Theorem with Brahmin RITUAL SACRIFICE use of geometry. Freemasonry is the separation of heaven (mind) and earth (body) through mass ritual sacrifice, based on right-brain geometry and left-brain axioms -- aka alchemy. Seidenberg openly promotes this Freemasonic mass ritual sacrifice, as I expose in my blogbook:

http://mothershiplanding.blogspot.com

In fact the source of time known in India as "kala" is the female formless awareness aka "kali" (the dakini jnana beyond the horizon) whereby destruction is also creation -- through the process or complementary opposite harmonics or listening to the source of the I-thought.

As human language gets older it gets more sophisticated and more musical -- so the Bushmen language has the most vowels, the most consonants and is the most sophisticated. After that the Bantu culture was originally matrilineal -- like the Bushmen. In the harmony of heaven and earth -- ecological justice -- the females control the land because the females raise the young in the nest of the land.

So when plow-based farming arose with a "pioneer" concept of "frontier" then this sharp dichotomy arose -- dualistic axiomatic logic of "west" and "east" (mind and body separation) -- when in fact the truth is a center that is everywhere and a circumference that is nowhere.

2/17/2008 05:50:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Back on track? I never left it. All this blog is useful for (besides general enlightenment) is its action quotient. It clearly notes how silly it is to hope or have expectation of change in the current frameworks of political institutions run by gatekeeping, or raw material regimes run by gatekeeping, or current frameworks of military science, or current frameworks of finance--and such information encourages us to consider the cornucopia of more eco-rational institutional changes, entire material switchovers, different forms of education, and different forms of finance as really the only option.

Back on track, yes, read something from Fitts and her ideas of financial sustainability here.

It's interesting on the financial criminal elite--so it blends for those of you interested in change models as well as those who claim jadedly they only are addicted to their guilty pleasures of despair. Well, the despair is only in your own mind--[1] because the options are there and [2] you choose the path based on that unless you really want to be a just a client of a mass psyops campaign that encourages you to buy in to a great deal of current Britworld concerns (which include Obama and Hillary and McCain) that are in the long run just distractions and life stealers.

" This is the Scoop.co.nz hosted home page for Catherine Austin Fitts' Real Deal Column. You can subscribe to the column by email by CLICKING HERE. Recent Real Deal and Mapping The Real Deal columns are archived below in chronological order. To Search Austin Fitts' columns use GOOGLE

Catherine Austin Fitts: Dillon Read And The Aristocracy Of Stock Profits - I made the decision to write "Dillon, Read & Co. Inc. and the Aristocracy of Stock Profits" in the middle of a vegetable garden in Montana during the summer of 2005. I had come to Montana to develop a venture capital model to support a healthier, fresher local food supply. If we want clean water, fresh food, sustainable infrastructure, and healthy communities, we are going to have to finance and govern these resources ourselves."


How many of you, in her words, "blindly feed the worm"?

"In a world of economic warfare, we have to see the strategy behind each play in the game. We have to see the economic tapeworm and how it works parasitically in our lives. A tapeworm injects chemicals into a host that causes the host to crave what is good for the tapeworm. In America, we despair over our deterioration, but we crave the next injection of chemicals from the tapeworm."

Or chemicals from Jeff's breakdown.

Dillon, Read, has had a lot of Bonesmen in it over the years as well.

2/17/2008 05:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

pinnochio said...

you forget, i'm a real boy.

2/17/2008 06:06:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Germany First To Admit Clandestine Chemtrail Ops

For all those activists who have been investigating and reporting on clandestine government operations around the world to manipulate our weather patterns, this news from Germany is groundbreaking.

The TV news report states that “the military planes of the German Federal Army are manipulating our climate; this is what the weather researchers are presuming and their suspicions are confirmed…

“We can state with a 97% certainty that we have on our hands chemical trails (chemtrails) comprised by fine dust containing polymers and metals, used to disrupt radar signals.”

“This is their main purpose, but I was surprised that this artificial cloud was so wide-spread. The radar images are stunning considering the needed tons of dispersed elements -- although, the federal army claims that only small amounts of material were propagated. The military heads claim that the substances used are not harmful.”


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“In the United States of America there are protest after protest for many years now, against these military operations and now people are mobilising in Germany as well. Per example JOHANNES REMMEL of the Greens.

“It's obvious that enormous regions are being polluted with clandestine actions, but all of this has to be made public. The government must provide explanations to the unsuspecting population.”


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This is a very significant development in the battle to find out why our governments are spraying chemicals into our atmosphere, however it is only the tip of the iceberg. As far as researchers have been able to conclude, chemical spraying by our governments have been in full operation since mid-to-late 1990’s (possibly earlier). The following video presentation is a great introduction to chemtrails and some of its possible implication: Aerosol Crimes (1:39:23).

Right now we can only speculate as to what type of chemicals are used in these operations, however one thing is certain, if we saw a car driving down the road, spewing out a plume of smoke the way these planes are doing we would be very concerned.

Considering that half the species in the world could be wiped out due to global warming, the least we could do is to demand that our governments explain what it is that they are spraying us with, specially if military heads are claiming “that the substances used are not harmful”. As we know, when the militaries of the world say we have nothing to be concerned about then we have everything to be concerned about.

Keep in mind that chemtrails have been categorized as an “exotic weapons systems” by the 107th CONGRESS of the United States in House Bill H. R. 2977.

Further information on chemtrails at educate-yourself.org

2/17/2008 08:41:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Reich was Reich when he postulated the orgonite solution to chemtrails before chemtrails had ever been conjured. Combine that aspect with HAARP's messing with the ionosphere and the alchemist's ley lines and pyramid generators and the giant crystal sun at the cente of the earth and we are left to feed worms.

2/17/2008 10:12:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Wow, Eric, that was kinda like spoken-word poetry there. I've heard that the barium-laden crap or whatever it is in the trails is useful for EM intel and for particle beam function enhancement, i.e. missile defence - remember the 747s equipped with chemical lasers? Well, just replace those with heavier-particle devices and you have a rationale for dispersing the stuff regularly.

I've also heard that it's useful for intel/other EM-type ops, like HAARP-based stuff, and I suppose that might be so.

Really, though, I think they're just Dristan for the collective brain - a nice stew of heavy metals and other crap to keep our IQ down the crucial few increments required to avoid successful revolutionary organization.

Maybe they serve to conduct Tesla power to bizarre secret aircraft. Maybe they are the medium by which strange men in spacesuits walk invisibly among us, projected from their horribly radioactive room in the bowels of a battleship.

I would personally guess all of the above, plus the obvious weather mod operations. Weather systems can be steered, clouds can be generated or precipitated chemically, etc. Irrelevantly, Kurt Vonnegut's older brother apparently developed early cloud-seeding techniques.

Off to eat banana bread,
Lord Reptor.

2/18/2008 01:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Sounderless Ness said...

The last three posts are pure disinformation and are not rigorous in any way, shape or form.

Consider the last three posts and now view this quote from Mark to Drew. Can anyone say Pot Kettle Black?

You are arguing a single variable causality, though you don't know the first thing about ever testing your hypothesis on what proves causality. You just assume you are true, which in a nutshell, is your personality.

2/18/2008 08:19:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

hehehehehe

2/18/2008 08:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Yahwey said...

Barry is who is.

2/18/2008 09:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark, funny, I was just gonna post something about Catherine Austin Fitts:

www.commonground.ca/iss/0612185/cg185_money.shtml

..."the entire economy and culture are financially dependent upon too many things that harm people and the environment...the global economy is now inextricably bound to financial fraud, planet-plundering trade agreements and laundered drug money."

-Peregrine

2/18/2008 11:41:00 AM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Mark: Stating I'm "arguing a single variable causality" is an incorrect simplification using Western mathematics when I'm blatantly against Western math! To rely on a "single variable" you have to use a closed axiomatic equation using logarithmic geometry -- the set standard is that time is the single independent variable. In fact this is EXACTLY the problem with Western math (and science) -- converting time as complementary opposites, relying on three ratios which use inverse induction as logical inference -- into time as a closed geometric axiom, so that logarithmic real numbers are considered to be a continuity. That's a lie -- a closed geometric analysis relying on reductionist "instants" of measurement is the exact opposite of a continuity -- whereas the open rational number system does not use symmetric axiomatic equations.

Concepts like "variable" or even "frequency" and "amplitude" do not apply to what I'm detailing -- those are all western science concepts using symmetric-based logarithmic math, again as I detail in my blogbook: http://mothershiplanding.blogspot.com

2/18/2008 03:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Tony The Tapeworm said...

Nice one-two combination, Drew. You really are the stud. You are taking on ten guys at once and thoroughly thrashing them.

2/18/2008 03:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You arrogant piece of shit!! How could, and why would, anyone read a sentence further after you have so arrogantly insulted anybody and everybody with such a statement. This thread was moving along quite nicely...

ha,ha,ha!

this thread has not moved along nicely. the whole ri comment field has been a piece of shit for the past year, especially after ggg moved in. "insult" you? you shit on your own head, fella.

2/18/2008 04:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Gyr said...

this thread was moving along nicely until that last post.

drew rules.

joe bageant was right on.

love will keep us together.

will you please fondle my buttocks?

2/18/2008 06:51:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

This just in from NYC...after a trip to Minnesota's Spring Forest Qigong http://springforestqigong.com classes:

Yo wild man Drew,
Thank you!!!!! Just got back from Level1 & 2. W O W ! !
You really weren't kidding about Mr. Chunyi; he told me to do 50-50, 4 hours total, exercise and meditation.
I can't wait for level 3. Its so cool, I find him and his method very tantric in that its so powerfully direct and generous.
I put down on the evaluation sheets that Drew Hempel recommended SFQ to me.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.....wow

2/18/2008 07:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One trudges on. Stops here
and there. Scratches
and scuffs, signs of wear
and tear. One unlatches
gates and crosses fields,
then pauses, till time yields

2/19/2008 01:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,hey Eric do you think we'll all be going a little, bit crazy after the shoot down on Thursday?I sure hope the HARP and hydra don't fuck up the whole bright blue orb,later.

2/19/2008 06:49:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Horowitz is implying that a homeopathic effect will take place worldwide with the dispersement of hydrazine in near molecular size particles as a result of the huge pressure wave of two exploding projectiles. Hitler's sick friends tried a similar homeopathic solution to keep Jews out of Germany. I won't go into the details but the evidence is provided in the last chapter of "The Spear of Destiny".

I'm not sure what the component parts of the solid fuel called hydrozine are but Horowitz says we should all get a "homeopathic" dose every man, woman and child on the planet.

2/19/2008 08:31:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Hydrazine is extracted from the blood plasma of the reptilians, passed through a Schauberger negative g energy vortice, and then smeared like peanut butter on the outer hull of all space going craft. Generally 32nd degree Masons are the only ones allowed to engage in this smearing activity. This is the real reason why 32nd degree Mason Obama has been given the go ahead to seek the presidency.

After he wins the election, an Enochian Kabbalistic ritual, only known to 12 men on the planet, will be secretly encoded onto every Hannah Montana CD using a Crowley-an backward masking technique perfected by Jimmy Page. Coincidentally, it uses Ravenscroft's Spear of Destiny as the etching tool.

At high noon on the day of Obama's inauguration, millions of mind controlled Mylie Cyrus fans will be compelled to simultaneously play their ritually etched cds which will cause the layers of Obama chocolate to peel away like the layers of an onion, revealing the Dark Lord, Darth Cheney, in all his resplendent glory, as he, once again, assumes the mantel of control of our once great nation.
At his side will be his pet chimp BoBo, otherwise known as George W. Bush.

Once great America, a bastion for freedom truth & justice, will be reduced to little more than a dumping ground for lead encrusted Chinese toys and an outhouse for Saudi Arabian potentates needing to take a quick pee.

As an adjunct to this nefarious plot, millions of tons of "smart" fat will be released into the atmosphere, programmed to attach itself to otherwise svelte Americans in an effort to make them culinarily attractive to the aliens, thereby helping ween the ex-pat alien population off of their normal diet of cow udders, groins & eyeballs.

A marketing campaign, ostensibly from Madison Avenue, but really from deep in the bowels of the Pentagon, will seek to lay blame for this porking up of Americans at the doorstep of McDonald's. McD's founder Ray Kroc refused to take part in this deli-izing of Americans back in the 50s when he was approached by the Majestic crew.

After Kroc's death, and the clandestine inclusion of his rigored flesh in a series of "special order" Big Macs, it was assumed by "serious researchers" that the Majestic crew would be pacified. But, due to the rampant cross-breeding between US troops & reptilian invaders, the Majestic crew's vengeful bloodlust has been raised to unforeseen levels of necrotic psychosis.

Certain Ismaili sects of enlightened orgasmatrons stumbled on this plot at the end of January, thereby forcing the underwater ufo pilots to break protocol and sever the underwater communication cables. In the ensuing period of communication black out, every Ismaili was hunted down and neutralized using a particularly noxious stew of heavy metals that were chem-trailed onto their compound by US pilots still convinced that they were fighting a "War on Terror."

It is essential that you pass this on.

Knowledge is Power.
& with Power, we will be victorious.

2/19/2008 12:49:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

@JAD - now, THAT was disinformation. That was great. Mental fuel for the day. Thanks for that one.

Also, a good reminder to everyone not to take things too seriously - even if they are serious things. Taking things too seriously is a self-limiting behaviour. As soon as you think you're on the Right Track in whatever realm of endeavour, you stop being creative.

Anyway, that was highly entertaining, and certainly food for thought. My favourite speculation on the undersea-cable thing is to imagine a heroic crew of submarine secret warriors hacking off the tentacles of a virulent AI as their psychic guides them, moaning, from his nest of wires.

How 'bout them satellite weapons? What kind of Day-of-the-Triffids crap is gonna go down with the shoot-down?

Eh, the Amis are probably just making sure their huge flaming flying penises are as firm as a Chinaman's.

That, or the falling sat is carrying a nuke primed for, say, 10,000-metre airburst, and somebody's hacked and armed the bastard. That, I'd shoot down without bothering to make up good excuses.

Speculatively,
Lord Reptor.

2/19/2008 01:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Skippy said...

Isn't peanut butter known to cause cancer?

2/19/2008 01:52:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

most awesome, Richard

2/19/2008 02:25:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Like a dungbeetle seriously considering a change of diet but who’s drawn nonetheless by the sweet aroma of his old feeding grounds…

There. Was that less insulting?

Wow! Are you sure that ain’t you, Shrub old buddy? Why did you bail, anyway, only to hover in the skirts of Jeff’s periphery? I mean, I did enjoy talking with you again on that latest unfinished project of mine (I’ve even got another one hatching as we speak, but they’re all connected anyway, so I’ll sort it all out as soon as I can sit down long enough again), but then I’ve always enjoyed talking with you. Even when you were mad at me, calling me a tyrant or the “new establishment,” even when everyone else was happy that you had banished yourself…I was the one who argued for inclusion…

because inclusion has been my point all along, the basis for everything I’ve ever written.

"Establishment? Authority smashing dissent? A German(?!)"

I’m an anarchist, fer chrissakes, and a high school drop out to boot. (Well, maybe not the sort of anarchist in the stereotype that abounds, but then again there’s a reason we have those convenient labels & images; the truth is always stranger, as in less familiar.)

The one thing that’s been universal in our political & social organization—around the world, not just in the West—is hierarchy. The only thing that has never been tried, or allowed to be attempted without attack or sabotage, is an egalitarian system where, unlike in all the shabby, pseudo-commie states, individual & local autonomy is the foundation upon which everything else is built. Somehow or other, this seems not to have sunk in; this chronic misinterpretation of my “message” seems sort of intentional to me, but maybe I’ve just failed to express this clearly enough.

It’s actually the simplest thing in the world. Unlike Jeff’s pointless, dare I say clueless, disappointment with the politics of salvation, or the angry spewers who don’t want ot hear about a better world (“there is no salvation here, just more bad news, an endless supply, and that's the way we like it”), the simple, obvious answer is that only bad news and repressive systems can come from above. Including the ecofascist “designers” like those morons from Massive Change who show their true colors in Leonardo Di Caprios’s 11th Hour.

I watched the trailer to 11th Hour this morning and I think I was more frightened by the hubris of the world re-arrangers than by the terrible scenes Nature lashing out in its dying throes. I almost found myself agreeing with our Drew (arrgh!) our ever-so-modest modest mystic when the narrator says:

“We have the technology to reduce man’s carbon footprint by 90% if we take control right now” or “These are not technical issues nearly as much as they are leadership issues; now’s the time for Republicans and Democrats to pass major environmental laws so that 500 years from now people will look back and say ‘This was our finest hour.’”

What scared me (most) about this is that these Massive Change people are taking something good & true & beautiful—the idea that it’s the design we use that matters most, not the technology (since that will itself flow from this ancient/new design)—and they’re abandoning the only design that will work (Nature), substituting a bizarre collage of shiny Teflon technologies, and then imposing that mess on Nature and us through the existing malfeasant pseudo-democracy that is the biggest single engine of misery on the planet!

Even their slogan betrays their arrogant ignorance:

"It's not about the world of design. It's about the design of the world."

Their plan is based on the world of design! The hipster dufises with their funny glasses and their mod haircuts & clothes and their artsy-fartsy plastique-phantastique-aren’t-we-so-cool, galleria-boutique re-designing the world mission statements!

The world doesn’t need to be redecorated, it doesn’t need to be re-designed because it already has the most efficient design possible—the result of 5 billion years of adaptation! In the opening of Eugene Tsui’s most awesome Evolutionary Architecture, he says the same thing about the architects who turn their backs on the lessons—most still not learned—of the greatest teacher, Nature itself, in order to plop their stupid, ugly, wasteful monstrosities on top of a world that works better than anything their tiny minds could ever hope to conceive.

Tsui doesn’t say this out of some vague, granola, back-to-nature sensibility, but after studying how natural systems work—the way a blade of grass is constructed, or a snail’s shell. To make a building with the same proportions of that blade of grass, it would be a thousand feet tall and only ten feet wide; the snail’s shell can withstand a pressure 1,183 times its own weight…and these are only two examples. All of Nature is built this way, using the fewest materials to make the strongest, most efficient structures & systems possible.

And so, to get back to my point—the only one I have—if we turned our backs on the very idea of salvation from above, these endless top-down solutions, even when sensible people like Wade Davis and Wangari Maathai so stupidly lend their credibility to such projects (check out the names associated with that film at the bottom of this...Wade Davis and James Woolsey?!) and instead consider how the world can be changed right now by regular folks who make themselves autonomous in terms of the four basics—shelter, water, energy & food—then we won’t be beholden to our betters anymore. Can we even imagine how this would change absolutely everything?

If we didn’t need their energy regimes anymore?

This one alone would cut the legs out from under the world’s strongest & oldest monopoly. We’re so stuck on being under someone’s thumb that we really can’t even begin to imagine ourselves as free agents.

We don’t need any fookin’ experts to do this either. It’s DIY or die (or live, gnawing & fretting uselessly at our chains, wondering why our masters don’t free us…even though we know from all of our “researches” and cleverly reported cui boners that what we don’t know won’t hurt them.)

But maybe, on third thought, I was too harsh with Jeff. Maybe, probably, he’s just gone as far as he can, seen as far as he can from his perspective. Fair enough. But the question we always have to ask ourselves—continually and especially when we’re comfortable with our worldview, or, if that’s too high brow for the snarlers, our assessment of what’s what—is the most basic one: is what we see the reality of a given situation, or is it the result of what our lens, this worldview that we have shaped and have been shaped by, allows us to see?

How can we talk about what is possible—what might happen, what we can or should do—without taking into account the perspective(s) that we bring to the question?

All the great seekers who have penetrated the veils that shroud what is real, mystics and level-headed philosophers and ordinary folks alike, all report the same thing: their greatest revelations come only when they transcend or somehow get around this problem of perspective & reality. The final twist in the knot is that the wisdom of these revelations is that we can never experience reality—what’s “out there”—directly except when we can manage to see without our lenses, letting go of words and their baggage trains and simply being there without the wheels turning.

Enough of Science and of Art,
Close up those barren leaves;
Come forth, and bring with you a heart
That watches and receives
...

This might not sound much like what Jeff was worrying at—politics, salvation & armageddon—but the same dynamic applies. Walling off spirituality & science & politics is just making more arbitrary distinctions. We could also experience reality directly by turning inward (very handy for those incarcerated behind stone or flesh-unwilling walls) which makes a kind of sense, in that we are always part of the reality “outside,” so that the truth we find within can be (can be) a microcosmic thumbnail of what truths obtain in the whole.

The first problem for all of us—those who’ve found something good or true or beautiful and those who haven’t, can’t or won’t—is what happens when we open our eyes again, put on our lens again. (And yes, even Drew has to unfold from his lotus to walk his mystical ass to the next McDonalds.) We have to constantly remind ourselves that our worldview is always going to be imperfect, infallible, incapable of encompassing the reality we’re sometimes lucky enough to “see.”

That’s why the wisest among us are the most humble and the loudest braying asses of certainty the most deluded. Especially when they say, “no, that’s not right!” about someone else’s path or vision; it’s just this sort of “But I have the crystal ball!” which leads, not to enlightenment, but to absolutist delusion and pointless, petty discord. In the world and in these comment fields.

Lord Reptor had it right (Fletcher’s equally correct condition notwithstanding) when he said:

Spiritual awareness - in my opinion, my experience - is not a race, and it's not an esoteric technique. It's available to everyone as long as one is prepared to accept that this dimension exists. The primary point is that all creation is an expression of the primal Life force which animates the Universe - this we can access and distribute as we wish, just as we can choose to do what we want with our physical energy . It is food for a part of our being which is largely ignored and decried in our society. It strengthens us and makes our focus clearer. It's not a fantasy or a dream for dummies.

There is an immensity of life which is invisible to our regular perceptions.


And even when we do glimpse this immensity, we’re usually not very comfortable with it or comforted by it. We may be connected with the universe in many ways, large and subtle, but we are finite and the universe is not. This is the chasm across which we have to look when considering what’s possible. Our word bridges are not very stable; and how could they be when they don’t even reach all the way across that chasm, wobbling in very thin air?

We tend to forget, once we get back to more solid, familiar ground just how vast the other side is. One explorer, a mathematician, made his bridge from equations instead of words and it still stands, a hundred years later, but it only as a reminder us that we can’t really ever get there from here because of the incommensurability of man & infinity. (From Cantor's Concept of Infinity: Implications of Infinity for Contingence):

Modern science regards the universe as complex, subtle, and as far more open and free than did classical science.

These differences may be summarized using the word contingent. An incontingent world view regards the universe as closed, self-contained, and self-explanatory, that is, not requiring any explanation beyond itself. Such a universe would be deterministic, that is, all that occurs must necessarily have happened according to a system of fixed laws. Such a universe even taken as a whole must necessarily be the way it is, and not otherwise. As such a universe can be explained according to a system of fixed laws, it is essentially simple.

In contrast, a contingent world view regards the universe as open, as ultimately not explainable in terms of itself alone. On this view, no scientific theory can account for all phenomena. Such a universe need not necessarily be the way it is. One cannot understand phenomena through a priori reasoning alone, but must study the phenomenon itself. A contingent world view regards the universe as essentially complex, subtle, and mysterious. It believes that an order may be found underlying diverse phenomena, but that this order is itself contingent, that is, always subject to further modification to embrace yet more diverse phenomena. In contrast to classical science's veneration of Newtonian mechanics, modern science regards its theories more tentatively, however beautifully they may now order known phenomena.

Most scientists today readily admit the contingence of scientific theories, and increasingly more of them will admit to the contingence of the universe itself.


That last bit was some seriously wishful thinking, but there are some seekers who grasp this, and more importantly, as Lord Reptor points out, this isn’t just for scientists, philosophers & gurus: my 4th grade educated grandma was perfectly comfortable with the ineffable (and very much wiser than I am.) If the world was to big for her to describe, or even if it was once one way—physical laws, science & magic, everything—and then it changed, well, she’d just say, “Yeah, well, these things happen” and go on with what she saw as worth doing.

The reverence for goodness, beauty & truth requires no training, no apprenticeship, no discipline, no submission to authority and most certainly no acceptance of dogma, which is nothing more than someone else’s misplaced certainty.

It’s okay not to be able to see the whole thing; we can still act. But it’s not so great when we forget that we really don’t know shit from shinola when it comes to what’s possible and what’s not. Fructedor knows this (“Miracles are simply events for which we have no logical explanation, demonstrating perhaps the limits of our comprehension”); he’s channeling St. Augustine’s Miracles do not happen in contradiction to nature, but only in contradiction to that which is known to us of nature.

But then Fructedor goes even further (and brings us back to my DIY proposition) when he talks about the strange intimations & immanence of the spiritual dimensions he’s felt in certain places, certain built environments:

“You can find the same vibration in some churches and temples too, though many places of 'worship' are unfortunately but palpably dead. The horrible concrete basiilica in Lourdes is a case in point. What we think and do affects our entire environment.”

And, the other way around as well!

This is the great corollary to the (only too recent) discovery of the true mechanism/form/nature of evolution: it’s a constant dance of mutualisms, a spiraling symbiosis, an osmosis of forms melting & melding through their functions, not the transparently self-serving survival of the fittest/paean to the inevitability, even nobility of the elite that the neo-Darwinists and dead mechanical universe exploiters are peddling.

There’s a great little book on the glorious net of coevolution, our mutually beneficial relationship with four plants—The Botany of Desire: A Plant's Eye View of the World—by a non-expert, a humble gardener named Michael Pollan (what a name for a gardener, eh?) who explores "the human impulse and its connection to the life of plants-- our desire for the apple's sweetness, the tulip's beauty, the intoxication of marijuana and our desire to control nature by producing the perfect genetically modified potato” in this interview.

So, back to Fructedor’s point and its wider implications. If our physical environment affects us, and we it, what happens if we stop the ugliness & glooming doom feedback loop—recognize it, call it what it is, rail against it like St. Hundertwasser did in the Mould Manifesto—what if we break down & tear apart those old dead walls, and then discover the joy of the beautiful feedback loop? (And in the process not only unleash our confined & suppressed but not quite castrated creativity, but also end up with a physical environment that supplies the four fundamental material needs, obsoleting the dread powers to whom Jeff has appeared to surrender?)

It’s not just our psyches and our hearts (strange engine, last vestige of another world-age) that rush to Life & Light, but the world around us, too. The built environment is our primary interaction with Nature, our oldest art, the prime cause of all that follows. And it’s not just the province of the architects—those stupid, blind & greedy jailers without vision or conscience, about whom I just happened to write (yet another) blistering screed—Friedenreich’s message is that it’s for everyman, the personal liberation of ripping down the old walls and engaging our divine aspect, our creativity, the same life force that Lord Reptor talked about flowing everywhere in the universe.

From the manifesto:

Painting and sculpture are now free, inasmuch as anyone may produce any sort of creation and subsequently display it. In architecture, however, this fundamental freedom, which must be regarded as a precondition for any art, does not exist, for a person must first have a diploma in order to build. Why?

Everyone should be able to build, and as long as this freedom to build does not exist, the present-day planned architecture cannot be considered art at all. Our architecture has succumbed to the same censorship as has painting in the Soviet Union. All that has been achieved are detached and pitiable compromises by men of bad conscience who work with straight-edged rulers.

The individual’s desire to build something should not be deterred! Everyone should be able and have to build and thus be truly responsible for the four walls in which he lives. And one must take the risk into the bargain that such a fantastic structure might collapse later, and one should not and must not shrink from human sacrifice which this new mode of building demands, perhaps demands. We must at last put a stop to having people move into their quarters like chickens and rabbits into their coops.

The tangible and material uninhabitability of slums is preferable to the moral uninhabitability of utilitarian, functional architecture. In the so-called slums only the human body can be oppressed, but in our modern functional architecture, allegedly constructed for the human being, man’s soul is perishing, oppressed. We should instead adopt as the starting point for improvement the slum principle, that is, wildly luxuriantly growing architecture, not functional architecture.

The apartment-house tenant must have the freedom to lean out of his window and as far as his arms can reach transform the exterior of his dwelling space. And he must be allowed to take a long brush and – as far as his arms can reach – paint everything pink, so that from far away, from the street, everyone can see: there lives a man who distinguishes himself from his neighbours, the pent-up livestock! He must also be allowed to cut up the walls and make all kinds of changes, even if this disturbs the architectural harmony of a so-called masterwork, and he must be able to fill his room with mud or children’s modelling clay.

The time has come for people to rebel against their confinement in cubical constructions like chickens or rabbits in cages, a confinement which is alien to human nature.


What’s more, it’s right at our fingertips, right now. No need, really, for all the constipating process of committees and programs & permits. I got an email from one of my brothers just the other day that had blown away all the drones who received it in their cubicles; a simple thing, really, the subtly stunning alchemy of the Harbin Ice Festival, a dreamscape of light and forms made tangible: a real place you can touch and walk through and let your soul off its leash.

Now, ice & snow & sand are ephemeral—or maybe just more so than what we think of as solid—but there are materials & methods & designs which do allow us to experience the creative riot that Hundertwasser claimed as our birthright. Three quick examples of the many, many I could list are Nader Khalili’s Cal-Earth, Albert Bates’ awesome Ecovillage Tour, and a cool little cobhouse link that ericswan sent me a little while back.

The point of all of this is what Fructedor started me off with: our thought affects the environment, the built environment affects us, and there are two paths to choose from. The one we’re on, the docile dying coop, and the one that we’re just (re)discovering, the creative synchronization of man & nature.

I know the guru at this point will object that you can’t tap into the spiritual through the material, that the wall must remain, that there’s only one spiritual path and one way to get on it, that you can’t build things or fix things anyway because technology is inherently evil, etc, etc, etc...until I have to reach for me bucket again, but that’s obviously a complete load of crap.

Oh wait, the guru did finally make the pronouncement that technology is not inherently evil—after all those months of trying to get the self-righteous bastard to make that simple concession.

It's not that external technology is inherently bad it's just that civilization is a subset of a larger structural dynamic of ecology…Because on my own I've already worked through all the political channels -- including telling Al Gore which way was up back in 2000…Then concept of a "biostate" is naive. The problem is much, much deeper and radical and has to do with the evolution of language and how humans define infinity and how we created mathematics, etc. (New Papal Bull #1796, canto 26)

What His Holiness has managed not to understand in the golden shower of his bliss (although we probably shouldn’t find fault, as he was busy inventing the internet with Al Gore at the time) is that the secret arcana of Pythagoras & thrice-great Hermes is available to everyone, initiated or not. That it’s about design, not technology. (But not the design of the designers...)

The Luddites, so unfairly condemned as reactionary, anti-technology neophobes were actually nothing of the sort. They were master craftsmen who used technology in a way that was sustainable. What they fought—with a death penalty hanging hundreds of them—was the mechanization of human life, not machine processes.

The patterns in Nature are all around us to perceive with all our senses, and to make of them what we will: a blueprint for our own designs or the fateful geometries that some of us are so hung up on.

You don’t need to be an engineer to make a house that produces more energy than it consumes; tear down the chicken coops, ignore this pornography of despair and live!

Who says that Cro-Magnon was superior to his older cousin? He at least knew how to build a house that nurtured the body & the soul.

It seems to me that what we really fear, the thing that really holds us in the thrall of the Owners, is the fear of Chaos. That’s why people look at you funny when you say you’re an anarchist—the word means “against hierarchy, without leaders” (and a whole lot more ).

The funny thing is that chaos is not really all that chaotic—there is always an emergent form, an order that rises from and underlies chaos. It just can’t be predicted, influenced or controlled. That’s why the mainstream physicists were so uncomfortable with it when those early pioneers of dynamical systems first set out to study chaos (James Gleick’s Chaos: making a new science tells that story very well).

We don’t need a new Central Scrutinizer in the form of Leonardo’s well-intended friends; we don’t need any establishment at all.

Unless we still want fear to fear, of course.

…how ‘bout them aliens, did you hear…?...nah, old Cliffie knows his elves from his aliens…

2/19/2008 02:26:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Hey IC - I think you may have misattributed me up in that thar big long post.

Anyway, I just wanted to point one thing out, which I think is important when dealing with matters ecological and technological, which is that technology is natural. To my mind, there's no dichotomy between 'shiny teflon technologies' and 'Nature'. It's all there to do the same job - organize, observe, serve.

When we get all jumpy and nervous about changes in our ecological cycles and such, we are just working on a small scale. The second the first really self-aware, self-making device wakes up, the weather is going to be way down the topic list for us.

Item 1 will be: Do we have a survival role in a new, self-technologizing ecology?

All other items will be pending Item 1.

I think it's lovely, what we are doing with the machines - it's like we're Zeus or Cronos or whatever, and the wise, shining grey Athena of the machine races is about to leap from our foreheads. That's what all the headaches are about.

Awaiting the Cyberiad,
Lord Reptor.

2/19/2008 03:41:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

L.R.,

I may have misread you--although I doubt that, at least as far as I was quoting you--but quote you I did. The pearls drop as flies before the heavenly swine...

2/19/2008 03:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yawn.

2/19/2008 03:58:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

IC -- the concept of "the potential infinite" is what you're referring to with your Cantor quote:

In contrast, a contingent world view regards the universe as open, as ultimately not explainable in terms of itself alone.

That's called "self-fulfilling prophecy" and even Aristotle called Plato for kicking off such a convenient definition of "infinity."

As Aristotle pointed out and argued against, Plato relies on a set NEGATIVE INFINITY -- zero -- and then uses zero to create a CLOSED axiomatic system for technological power. The system relies on proof by contradiction through deduction and induction -- which is what the Vedics called:

Neti, neti or

"not this, not that."

So as science continues to destroy ecology with a geometrically expanding rate creating increasingly nonlinear synergistic levels of destruction, the mathematicians state:

"Ah but who knows what new level of infinity will discover next!"

And so the closed axioms must ever by expanded but at each level the axioms are never the less closed because they inherently rely on geometry -- which is more importantly IRRATIONAL or incommensurable geometry.

2/19/2008 04:38:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

@IC - I'm pretty sure I didn't write that bit about spiritual awareness and primal life forces and stuff. It's just not my style, even if I was trashed enough not to remember what I wrote. In fact (now that I use the old ctrl-f thingy here) it seems to have been Fructedor.

Later in your post, I appear to have pointed something out, but I'm afraid I'm unclear as to what that is. I hope it was a good point. I like to think I occasionally make a good point or two, although I know I often don't, whether through incoherence or incompetence.

Now I really have to go do some work in the garden. I think spring has sprung.

Later,
Lord Reptor.

2/19/2008 04:51:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

Plus, Mr. ShinySquid there, what was that pigs and pearls poke anyway? Am I a 'heavenly swine'? Is that good or bad? Are you casting pearls of something about? Hopefully only onto easily cleaned surfaces. Some of these mammal body processes are so messy, and tend to stain, whatever Nabokov may have had to say about grass sap.

Hey diddle diddle, and put the kettle on, or whatever.
Lord Reptor.

2/19/2008 04:58:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Next time yer in Kamloops, check out my plot in the community garden on Petersen Creek. I visited today and have to remove the straw from my beds of garlic, raspberries, blueberries and currants. I particularily enjoy the part where I dip the ewer into the stream just for that Shauberger effect on the seedlings.

2/19/2008 05:36:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"Isn't peanut butter known to cause cancer?"

I feel I should clarify; the hydrazine, while naturally occurring in the alien atmosphere, can only be produced here after a long drawn out alchemical operation involving naked virgins, Mazola oil, and the Lord's Prayer recited both backwards & forwards simultaneously. This has the consistency of peanut butter, but it isn't peanut butter.
Should you find any, please, whatever you do, do not mix it with jelly because this produces a neuro-toxin fatal to the human genome.

The hydrazine has one benefit in that its presence is a sure-fire clue that aliens are present. This fact was clandestinely released in the film Godzilla:Final Wars, where the Japanazis at Toho Studios, apparently pissed off that their Unit 731 experiments were secretly used by the US government to turn a no where shithole like Roswell into a tourist mecca, let the cat out of the bag.

In humans the nucleic acids include adenine, cytosine,guanine & thymine. But alien DNA also include hydrazine, called M in the Godzilla film.

This alien nucleic acid, sad to say, is also present in Gigan, Ghidorah, Anguirus, etc.
But luckily Godzilla himself is free of this alien contamination, so, provided that we can convince the big guy to join the movement, there is hope.

A group of Monarch controlled 8 year old Navy Seals recently had their programming shot all to hell by repeated viewings of the Swahili version of the Wizard of Oz run in reverse. They're now on our side and racing to the South Pole in order to free Godzilla before the hydrazine shit really hits the fan.

I will update as I'm able but I'm plagued by weird staticy phone calls & the constant harassment of unmarked black helicopters.

2/19/2008 05:47:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Reptor said...

@Ericswan - Yes, I'm jealous of your garden powers. My red currant bush died. The black one is in a different spot and lives, though rather weakly. Schauberger seedlings indeed. Goat shit is the powerful voodoo you seek, deranged wanderer. Now I've left a trail of dirt in here. What the hell did I come in for?

Not so ranged myself,
Lord Reptor.

2/19/2008 05:51:00 PM  
Anonymous intermission said...

live in the rythym hive...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mDP4cWwv0Go&feature=related

2/19/2008 09:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Katie Couric said...

JAD, is it true that Dick Cheney sleeps on pillows comprised of a mixture of Zeolitic Orgone and a bevy of fossilizing stool specimens of past, present and future dignitaries?

Also, can you tell us where and how you empty your bowels in a house made of shit? Should investors sell their shares in American Standard now before the shit hits the fan?

2/19/2008 09:47:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Currants really like the heat and expecially the all day southern exposure. My best grow up against the wall.

There were a couple of fireballs flying over the place in the last couple of weeks. I missed them both but the one this morning landed 300 miles south of Seattle and made the news. In my weakened state (kryptonite I'm thinking), I now must ponder the trees in the forest and the signs and portents in the heavens.

2/20/2008 01:55:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

IC - it's always a pleasure to read you. I don't think that there are more than a couple of people on this blog who are really deigning to propose a definitive solution to our dire situation - most of us seem to be chipping in with our own ideas and hoping to learn from the ideas of others. Most of us.

Just to prove that I'm no doubt as ego-driven as anyone else, though, I'd like to point out that the quote you attributed to Lord Reptor - who writes coherently and very well indeed, as I've said to him - was in fact written by me me me. "Spiritual life" etc...

In fact, the idea that we are finite while the Universe is not may not be true at all. Since we are, every one of us, a function of the ongoing creative Universe, I can't see that we don't have potential access to all of it.

Most of my posts have been claiming that what I call prayer - an active use of this universal energy - is in fact accessible to everyone. The first step, for those who are interested, is the admission that this connection is possible. Connecting to and using this energy involves conscious work on our own perception and behaviour. Refining and tuning, if you will.

The mind is an incredibly powerful tool which can be used for any task we set it to - however, in my humble opinion, it exists as a function of the soul - our connection to the universe. In other words, it's the tool we use to implement the work our soul requires. Such work, coming from the soul, can only be in tune with what we poor humans perceive as the ongoning creative universe. If we learn to work this way, the work we do will become a function of the universe itself. And therefore,naturally in harmony with the growth of the world we live in.

Not that my judgement of anyone carries much weight, but I'd say that Mark seems to be working hard on ecological concerns, the purification of water in particular, which has to be an important job. Surrender plants trees in a place where nature has been destroyed both deliberately and by accident. That too.

However, I firmly believe that any enterprise guided only by our mind, in absence of the soul input, can do very little good, if at all. IMHO, this is what is meant by the Zen saying, something like "... until you have reached satori, no action, however well-intended, can lead to anything but more confusion." This idea leads to such dreadful behaviour as 'that is going to be mine and no-one else can have any'. Greed, theft, murder.

I'd also say that there is no such thing as a 'spiritual' life as distinct from what we call 'life' - such distinctions are mind-formatted, distinguishing one phenomenon as being different from another - the only way the mind can function. Certainly useful in some cases, but basically erroneous in that it imposes a schism between one thing and another. As I've noted before, we are spiritual beings who have material experiences, rather than the other way round.

So, as I see it, we need first of all to activate this connection within us. In our present situation, our desperately globalising Western civilisation has decided that any idea of God is a crock of shit. Religions and various sects have hijacked the profound truth of our reality and created extremely powerful labyrinths whose only purpose is to gain control over the unimaginative . This is no doubt the reason so many educated people reject all this out of hand, since the myths they are encouraged to buy are so obviously fallacious. Babies and bathwater come to mind.

And it's not enough to conclude that since we are all part of the universe, we don't have to do anything other than chase our appetites. Living without an active participation with our soul is like building a house while blind.

Long post - I'll finish this one by quoting something Sounder said many moons ago - when he asked an acquaintance how to help inmprove the situation we're in, the guy said "... make all your statements in a positive form". To me, that is right on - the gravest form of pollution on this planet is the emission of negativity via thought, word and deed. Start changing that and we have a chance.

2/20/2008 06:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Stuart Smalley said...

George Bush is a warm, friendly and caring leader who has nothing but our best interests at heart. The United States is the greatest and most benificent democracy civilization has witnessed to date. Global Warming is just nature's way of maintaining equilibrium. Our perseverance and innovative technology will enable us to adapt without calamity.

How's that for positive form statements? It is refreshing, is it not? Let's call out every non-positve statement made by every poster from here on out in this thread, regardless of their rank. It will be a fun exercise, don't you think? Let's see who blinks first.

2/20/2008 07:42:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Hey Fruc..The next time it comes to mind, don't throw the baby out with the grey water.

Drew..Let's beat that drum of many colours..What have the Bushmen done for you? What's wrong with Western music? You are plugged into the Western symmetry of waves, amplitude, troughs, and frequency but somehow you don't think these manmade Western materialist forms match the efforts of the masters. How do you work in this dialectric to espouse that one?

2/20/2008 07:48:00 AM  
Blogger Ben D. said...

Fructedor said...
"Long post - I'll finish this one by quoting something Sounder said many moons ago - when he asked an acquaintance how to help improve the situation we're in, the guy said '... make all your statements in a positive form'."

That to me is not only an encouragement to lie but a way to ensure that a bad situation is not corrected by implying a positive connotation to it.

"To me, that is right on - the gravest form of pollution on this planet is the emission of negativity via thought, word and deed. Start changing that and we have a chance."

Yes,..by that logic we can avoid the pollution of human shit and the indignity that we suffer in carrying out these negative acts, by constraining our mentations to the positive complement, that of staying focused on the delights of eating.

2/20/2008 08:02:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

It’s about understanding the design inside of our heads.

To operate from Source, we need to learn better how our relationship to Source is structured. Our insecurity drives us to look for solutions externally. Whether one thinks the solution is to be found by looking for the big guy in the sky, or for technology to save our bacon, in both cases we are looking for the ends and forgetting about the process. To the degree that ‘being’ is designed for you by external actors, that is the degree to which inhibition is introduced into the free unfolding of consciousness (soul/spirit connection/integration?)


This from Nithyananda’s site, for comment;

“A temple is an energy hub. The main deities of the most prominent Indian temples were installed by enlightened masters. Swamiji says, 'the deities in temples in Rameswaram, Kedarnath, Palani, Tirupati etc. were all installed by enlightened masters. So these temples are a storehouse of energy. This is the reason why we feel calmness and peace when we enter these temples. The energy of the Master or the Cosmic energy still reverberates in the garbha gruha, sanctum sanctorum.'

Swami Nithyananda says, 'when we enter a temple, our thoughts per second (TPS) decreases.' But what do we do? We don't even allow this to happen. Instead of immersing in the silence and energy of the temple, all we try to do is pollute the temple also with our thoughts.

The whole purpose of going to a temple is to allow our Being to connect with the Cosmic Consciousness or the Divine Energy. It is probably one of the easiest possible ways to do so...

But only if we allow it to happen.

But no! We do not want to leave our identities. We take our identities, our name, our designation, our status, our money, our job, everything to the temple. We take our EGO along with us to the temple. We just cannot let go of these even for a few minutes.

Sometimes in places like Tirupati, we see people showing off their so-called high status right inside the sanctum sanctorum for a longer darshan. Whats the point of the longer darshan if we still are holding to our ego? How much ever we stay inside right in front of the statue, we go nowhere because our ego is still as solid as a rock.”


OK, lets concede that an enlightened master ‘installed’ the main deities in the temple. Or is it the energy of the Master or the Cosmic energy? Mixed signals already, then the devotees bring their own morphic resonance entanglements, and further pollute the temple, ensuring that the still small voice speaks to very few indeed. Yet most everyone that thinks of these things wants to think that they hear from and are expressing that ‘still small voice’. I think that Drew may call this female formless awareness. More likely we are reinforcing devic entities that in turn reflect our pretences back at us in their desperate attempt to survive. Yes, Kill the Buddha.

Fair points you bring up Shrub. I observe though that lying is more closely associated with slander without substance, further bolstered by calling on the support of negative devic entities for rationalizations that build your own ego prison.

Ben D., I hesitated when I originally posted those words for reasons similar to what you point out. Still one does not get away from having to deal with negativity, the purpose rather is to become responsible for your own expressions and thereby control your own generation of negative web threads. Negative morphic resonance entanglements.

Welcome, ---my friends, to the play that never ends.....

2/20/2008 11:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But no! We do not want to leave our identities. We take our identities, our name, our designation, our status, our money, our job, everything to the temple. We take our EGO along with us to the temple. We just cannot let go of these even for a few minutes.

Look, or as the Bushmen would do, Listen, someone blinked. A negative statement, but that's alright, because blinking is a necessary part of survival. It protects the eye from minor intrusion.

2/20/2008 12:27:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Surely you can see the distinction between a comment on someone else’s writing and something that I write, right Shrub. You cannot be that stupid, though your motives seem designed to sow confusion. Besides Shrub, I have never held this statement up as some magic ideal, and no doubt I make my own share of negative statements. Yeah, wow, --I’m human; so are you Shrub, -get over it.

Poor Shrub, you cannot help but to bow down to the one you serve, the father of lies. Hey, let's have a pity party and share in your misery, -not.

2/20/2008 01:34:00 PM  
Blogger Belliosto said...

Environmental Power Announces Achievement of Full Capacity & Commercial Operation at Huckabay Ridge Facility

North America's Largest Renewable Natural Gas facility Validates Technology by Reaching Production Milestone

Portsmouth, N.H., January 22, 2008 /PRNewswire - FirstCall via COMTEX News Network/ -- Environmental Power Corporation (Nasdaq EPG), a leader in the renewable bio energy industry, today announced that its Huckabay Ridge facility in Stephenville, Texas, has achieved full capacity production levels of pipeline-quality renewable natural gas (RNG(R)) and has now moved into full-scale commercial operation. The facility generates methane-rich biogas from manure and other agricultural waste, conditions to the biogas to natural gas standards and distributes RNG(R) via a commercial pipeline. Huckabay Ridge is expected to produce approximately 635,000 MMBtus of RNG(R) per year - - the equivalent of over 4.6 million gallons of heating oil.

You know what that means for us in the near forseeable future? That your own waste will be worth money! That's right men start collecting your droppings in bags now. We do not know how much they will pay per pound but it might be a lot and keep the Dung Beetle far from your stash they may not pay anything for bug infested shit. What you don't know may hurt you.

2/20/2008 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Stuart Smalley - don't be daft.

Bendy - same as SS.

It's nothing to do with lying or masking reality with a coat of pink Dayglo. It's about making an attempt to change our perspective - rather than spending our energy railing at the piles of shit surrounding us, it's more productive, IMO, to acknowledge reality and then concentrate on ways in which it may be improved.

And in terms of positive energy, simply consider the difference between spewing anger and hatred, and speaking and behaving in a positive manner. Let's consider the situation where your husband or wife or partner pisses you off with a negative attitude. Unless you choose the option of nagging at them constantly, or divorcing, wouldn't it be wiser to try some other way of improving your relationship? Otherwise you'd be acting like a person who decides that anyone who can't speak your language is an asshole and unworthy of any attention. This is what happened to David - remember him? I miss his input - since he was so far from agreeing with the vibe of this blog, here was an opportunity to enjoy a positive exchange and discussion and explore a new point of view. We are here to grow and interact, we're not just tourists.

No time for more tonight - but I was interested to see that Sounder replied to Shrub - perhaps one of you communicants is actually Shrub by any other name - Sounder knows you better than I do, Shrub, but if you are there, what happened to your blog? "Open to all on any subject whatsoever, please drop by and post whatever you want". I assume that running a blog would be too time-consuming - as a father and busy worker, I can understand that.

Later - prayer group just arrived - just to get up your nose, I shall add Stuart and Ben to my intentions tonight. I'm so bloody holy, though no doubt less than 3G - I can't remember ever having a hardon in Mickey D's.

2/20/2008 01:45:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Well, things are moving again—not sure who provided the laxative, but kudos thereto. First off, gravest apologies to Lord Reptor & Fructedor. Not sure how I entwined you both, but I did. As to the pearly swine metaphor, I guess I was just casting about for something like Jeff’s pointedly ambiguous conclusion, although in my case it was warmly intended. As you say, L.R., we do need to be able to package our (self) seriousness in a suitable box of irreverence; if we can’t say:

"My nipples explode with delight!...Shut up you silly bitch. It's only a bit of fun,"

then we’ve become locked into our conceptual continuity again.

I use this Zappism because it ties together all this business of the implications of infinity that Drew & I & Fructedor & the guy who barfed on his spiritual slipper were all wrestling with. The following might sound ridiculous—and it is—but it also illustrates with a suitably reverent irreverence that paradox of man trying to fit the universe into his head:

Well then Fido got up off the floor, and he rolled over
and he looked me straight in the eye
And you know what he said?
Once upon a time, somebody say to me
This is the dog talkin' now
What is your, conceptual, continuity?
Well I told 'em right then, Fido said
It should be easy to see
The crux of the biscuit
is the apostrophe
Well you know, the man that was talking to the dog
looked at the dog, and he said
Sort of staring in disbelief
You can't say that
he said
It doesn't, and you can't, I won't, and it don't
it hasn't, it isn't, it even ain't, and it shouldn't
it couldn't
He told him, No, no, no
I told him, Yes, yes, yes
...

Whether or not a person is willing to consider the possibility that human thought (focused intention and or 24/7 “simple” consciousness) can affect the universe in some way—and yes, there are many, often conflicting schools of thought that are doing just that, from the by now very stodgy & conservative mainsteam of physics has always tried to explain away the observer effect by claiming that events on the scale of teeny tiny particles can not cascade upwards to affect the macro world, to the Qi healers and the New Age wish-for-a-Beamer crowd—we do have to consider at some point how much of the universe we can ever really understand.

Charlie Eisenstein paints a wonderfully clear picture of the wall that the physicists have run into (well, a wall of their own design, actually) in the online chapter of his brilliant Ascent of Humanity book called The Crumbling of Certainty~~ The End of Objectivity:

…the Scientific Method depends on the replicability of experiments, the testability of hypotheses, and ultimately on the assumptions of determinism and objectivity. Scientific inquiry in general—as well as a scientific, rational approach to life—assumes that there is a reality out there that we can query, test, understand, and in due course predict and control. Herein lies the quest for certainty, in which understanding rises from a foundation of facts. By sticking with the facts and reasoning from there we remain objective, and obtain knowledge of superior reliability.

The assumption of determinism encodes the conventional notion of causation and validates the Technological Program of control. It says that nothing happens that is not caused to happen. Events do not arise spontaneously, mysteriously, magically without cause. Events follow predictably from causes. If we can learn the causes of phenomena, and then master those causes, we then become the masters of reality. With sufficient understanding, there is nothing that might not someday be brought into the human realm.

I want to emphasize how deeply determinism is woven into our belief system…


And emphasize he does—great, great book. But the even deeper question is what does it mean that can’t predict & control processes & events, not way out, light years away in the vasty depths of the universe, but right here at home in any of the dynamical systems that sustain life? We might be trying to control the weather—as in all these Katrina, tsunami & chemtrail stories we hear on certain wavelengths of the information broadcast—but that doesn’t mean that we’ve mastered or even begun to understand it.

In some sense Drew is right about this point of Western science’s inability to measure any natural phenomenon correctly, but he’s right for the wrong reasons. It’s not because of the asymmetricality of the Western butt-cheek or its underlying mathematics, but because the subject will not sit still to be measured (which is just another way of saying contained) with the degree of accuracy necessary to account for the tiniest butterfly effect.

What Cantor does so ingeniously with his transfinite equations is to use the tool of the mapmakers to “prove” that the universe can never be mapped because it’s capable of changing itself—the “rules” by which it functions—in the same way that any truly chaotic system can. If we say that he’s wrong, that this is a just a “convenient excuse” for not trying hard enough, then what we’re advancing is the same old determinism that is at the heart of Western science: materialism, neo-Darwinism, etc.

It doesn’t matter if the person promoting such a view is wearing the mystic’s robes while floating ten feet above the ground, shooting bliss-rays into his neighbor’s spiritual gonads: if you think the universe is ultimately knowable, then you’ve not understood the maybe logic that far excels the old either/or thinking that has limited our understanding of so many things. (Which is not to say that there aren’t or won’t be modes of thinking that are even “better” than that one.)

Looking at the universe this way—that it’s open to all manner of suggestion, as any infinite, self-transforming universe should be—allows us to consider all points of view, instead of rejecting any notion foreign to our understanding our of hand. This way, both Newtonian & quantum mechanics work; Euclidian & non-Euclidian geometries. More importantly, it doesn’t rule out the possibility that there exist or will come to exist systems so far beyond these, so alien to what we now think we know that the current models will all look like quaint relics of forgotten saints.

I had the chance once to see the tanned remnant of St. Antony of Padua’s pancreas, and I’m sure it looked more lively in his day.

This openness to the possibility of infinity does not mean you can’t form any sort of opinion or judgment or that nothing is better than anything else—the cry of the unsettled conservative—it just means that you can make your worldview as omniform as possible. Instead of throwing out the water that bathed Aristotle, Jesus, Confucius & Bucky Fuller, you can sift it for the relics that still fit the never-ending puzzle.

You do need a new sort of sifter, though. The old litmus tests won’t work when you’re looking for what’s good & worthwhile & true in any model; they can only reject the whole batch for nonconformance...

As to the possibility that Fructedor suggests—that we too may not be exactly finite—well, that’s heady stuff. Maybe so, I’d say, just as I’d say to the notion of a holographic, or an electric or a fractal universe...or even Pythagoras’ spheres. If Jonathon Swift was right about the fleas, why not us?

Here’s a suggestion. If the thought of infinity makes you nervous, you could be suffering from apeirophobia, fear of the infinite. There’s a nice little layman’s guide right here that’ll talk you through the queasy parts of the ride. The bit where Giordano Bruno get burned at the stake for believing the universe is infinite is a bit scary, but we treat our heretics much better these days. Mostly.

And Drew, I’m very sorry to have called to a self-righteous bastard and to have poked fun at your enlightened state & all that: it is still just a bit of fun (you silly bitch)…right?

I have tried your perspective on, and while it scratches at the neck and isn’t something I’d wear in public, it does have it uses. Why don’t you try a more inclusive approach to these things? It’s not like someone from the ashram is going to catch you opening your mind or something.

2/20/2008 02:50:00 PM  
Blogger Belliosto said...

Yes fructedor but acknowledging what reality is is just the beginning. Whether the discussion is positive or not is not as important as establishing what everybody who wishes to communicate accepts as reality. To define what we all can agree a word means is a beginning to a better productive conversation. To have a base to go to, a rock to hold on to when we share whatever we want on a particular subject. I do not recall seeing this formally done here on RI and I do not expect to. To say OK let's try to agree on what this word or issue can be defined as and go from there. Does any one care to lead the pack on that kind of advice?

2/20/2008 02:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Paparuda said...

I'll take the lead. What does the term morphic resonance entanglements mean? I mean, what does it really mean? See, I believe that words and terms convey multiple messages at once and are also used to filter for a selective audience.

2/20/2008 03:45:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

IC..It's the godlikeproductions of this so called modern era that drives us mad. Katrina to weather modification and now (right now) more of that same paltry fare with an exploding spy satellite to balance on Drew's horn with the lunar eclipse. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, godlikeproductions are busy spraying their chemtrails or to put it another way, taking their ball and going home. Pisses me off.

2/20/2008 03:50:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

IC -- Badiou is a famous French philosopher precisely because he EMBRACES Cantor's Power Axiom Set. It's called a SET for a reason. Cantor proved the rational numbers were a set and that irrational numbers were a greater infinity as a series (not a set). This, again, is why Betrand Russell called the square root of two a "convenient fiction."

Marie vos Savant's book on Fermat's Last Theorem deals well with these paradoxes. As she states you CAN square the circle -- but only in nonEuclidian geometry. She then states that nonEuclidian geometry was not accepted by mathematicians UNTIL the theory of relativity gave it a physical truth. She then states that Fermat's Last Theorem is proven only in nonEuclidian geometry but since math still does not accept the squaring of the circle then it should not accept Fermat's Last Theorem. She then concludes that if Wiley's proof is true for Fermat's Last Theorem that means the Pythagorean Theorem is false (disproven through nonEuclidian geometry). Having the highest I.Q. score, vos Savant emphasizes that math is based on logic and yet mathematicians justify the math through physical "infinities" -- technology that, again, inherently destroys ecology because the logic is false.

2/20/2008 04:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ggg "IC -- Badiou is a famous French philosopher precisely because he EMBRACES Cantor's Power Axiom Set. It's called a SET for a reason. Cantor proved the rational numbers were a set and that irrational numbers were a greater infinity as a series (not a set). This, again, is why Betrand Russell called the square root of two a "convenient fiction."

What is Cantor's Power Axiom Set?

Or did you mean Cantor's Power Set Axiom?

Why is there a need to prove that the rational numbers are a set?

And the irrational numbers are a greater infinity, as a set, naturally. (Which can be shown with Cantor's power axiom.)

What do you mean, 'as a series (not a set)'?

2/20/2008 06:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Marie vos Savant is a columnist who clearly has no appreciation for the approach of Andrew Wiles.

Her ideas betray a gross lack of understanding of the mathematical principles involved, as is easily seen by GGG's synopsis of her 'work'.

It's a shame that someone should use the often arcane sounding language of mathematics to give creedance to his writing, as most of the readers will have no idea just how bogus that mathematical writing is.

Give it a rest ggg.

2/20/2008 06:19:00 PM  
Anonymous sounderless than zero said...

such negativity. it's great. i want more, more, more. give me negativity.

2/20/2008 06:31:00 PM  

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