Tuesday, September 11, 2007

No One Saw the Carny Go



And the dwarves were given the task of digging the ditch
And laying the nag's carcass in the ground - Nick Cave


Fairytale of 9/11

Six years later, and another Tuesday, and it seems as though much of America and the world is still obsessed with the spectacular failure of Britney Spears last Sunday night on MTV.

How could this have happened? How many people in suits needed to be asleep at how many switches during rehearsals, to which Spears would show up hours late with a frozen margarita in hand? How could the breathtaking crash and burn have gone unanticipated by those whose business it is to do just that? The warning signs were flashing like a Christmas tree, and the chatter was incessant, hinting at a "Big Wedding" in Vegas. Most alarmingly, how could the VMA's producers have stood down for the three vulnerable minutes which would draw the most viewers and set the tone for the entire broadcast?

Somewhat surprisingly, mainstream sources can be found alluding to hidden and unspoken forces at play beneath the surface. The Washington Post, for instance, whispers of ratings which have been "sinking steadily since 2001," with last year's audience less than half of that six years ago. "MTV President Christina Norman called this year's version of the show a 'total reinvention,'" and the Post expected that the fiasco of "the Spears appearance likely will goose the ratings." [And the numbers are in: "A wobbly Britney Spears on your TV show is better than no Britney Spears. Ask MTV. Evidence comes from the network's surprisingly high-rated Video Music Awards, which soared in viewership 23% over last year's numbers, giving the show 7.08 million viewers. It was the highest-rated cable show among 12-34 viewers--5.0 million--this year. Moreover, MTV.com set records. On Monday, the day after the event, MTV posted its best daily traffic ever--2.6 million unique visitors--40% higher than a year ago."] A catastrophic success, as another showman once called another show.

But perhaps most damning for the network's complicity in Spears' public humiliation is its choice of Sarah Silverman to immediately follow her on stage, who then, predictably, "proceeded to bury her." Her caustic routine heavily underscored Spears' embarrassment - "25 years old and she's already accomplished everything she is going to accomplish in her life" - and winked at still stunned viewers that MTV was in on the joke.

Gossip blogger Perez Hilton put it bluntly: "MTV is the one that put Silverman on after Britney. They knew what they were doing!!!" While Kayne West, who knew for whom Bush's priorities were elsewhere during Katrina, has also intuited the meaning of September 9, 2007: "They exploited Britney in helping to end her career."

Now, a hard-line MTV MIHOPer would want to take Spears out of the picture all together, saying that wasn't really her (you know: distinguish between "Fat Britney" and "Skinny Britney") and ask simply, "Who benefited?" (Loose Change-like, there is already a revised video seriously analyzing the "physical evidence" for a loose heel. You can practically see the squibs.) But of course she had her own motive and intentions and naive expectations of benefit, which were used against her, and she believed herself to be in command of the situation, when in fact the situation was entirely out of her control.

Spears is a main-sequence star who has burned through her talent. As a credible performer she is spent, but as an unself-aware freak-for-hire she remains a precious, exploitable commodity. Which is why MTV let it happen on purpose.

A day earlier, Fox could have averted or ameliorated another live train wreck when Geraldo Rivera and Alex Jones crossed bullhorns. It didn't, and both Rivera and Jones got a chance to blovate to their bases with studied exasperation about "anarchists" and the "New World Order." It may not have been made to happen, but I doubt that any of the principals in this media circus were sorry that it had.

The Big Top

And speaking of circuses, I'm not fond of Big Tents. Whenever I hear the call to come together beneath one my inclination is to walk away briskly in the opposite direction. I won't say it's good that I want to do this every single time. Just most of the time, when it's the best.

Maybe it's partly a Canadian thing. Canada doesn't quite yet have America's circus culture of political action Big Tops, though there's still the call to conglomeracy, and the incomprehension when the invitation goes unanswered. The Liberals, when it suits them - naturally at election time - try to seduce the social democrat vote of the NDP to join their big tent on the left, though to many New Democrats the Liberal left looks indistinguishable from the right. The NDP, in turn, invite the Greens to join their not-quite-so big tent, but the parties' core values are not concomitant, and its best and most honest argument remains the elimination of competition. Because admission to the Big Tent is almost always unconditional surrender.

September 11th saw a Big Tent hastily erected that spanned the entire United States, sheltering virtually every American. Bush was polling in the 90s, and House and Senate Democrats made an even greater virtue of submission, particularly after its leadership received reprimanding letters accompanied with billions of finely-milled anthrax spores. "Bipartisanship" is as much a lie in American politics as partisanship is to the Democratic leadership, so long as the Big Tent advances a single agenda.

Six years on, and of course America has more than one Big Tent. It has two. And though they appear in opposition to one another, their competition is an illusion. They're both cynically run by the same circus family, and exist for entertainment purposes only.

Step Right Up

In a press release announcing his decision to oppose the House resolution on 9/11, Dennis Kucinich writes that "if Congress really wanted to honor the memory of those who died on September 11, we would cause the full truth to be told to the American people." Kucinich is also sponsoring two congressional hearings this Fall into certain "financial issues" of September 11, and is the only presidential candidate who would think of - and dare to - ask a roomful of voters, "How many of you believe that the whole story of 9/11 has not been told?" And yet Kucinich is decidedly not the preferred choice of most full-throated activists under the "Inside Job" Big Tent. Why is that? Six years on, who's running this circus?

Listen to the amplified voices of New Truth and pay attention to where they've pitched their tent. If you're not already there yourself by conscious choice, it may surprise you. They'll tell you that "Left" and "Right" are fictions woven by the same enslavers, and then launch into uncompromising, nativist rants against foreigners (the Mexicans are coming), denial of environmental crises (an affront to property rights and individualism), internationalism (paranoid fear of the "blue helmet"), taxation and gun control. And listen attentively to some others, influential yet off the main stage, and you'll hear Larouchian tropes, "Patriot" and militia jargon, coded speech about "international bankers" and the necessities of historical "revision." ("Suspecting what the Israeli/Palistine conflict is really about," posts "Killtown", "the strong evidence Israel was involved with 9/11, and seeing how 9/11 was faked in general, it makes me wonder how much of the Holocaust was true or not.... WingTV seems to think the Holocaust was a major hoax like 9/11 was along with Judicial-Inc.")

In 2007, the largest tent for "9/11 Truth" in America is led and dominated by conservatives, far-right "Patriots" and Libertarians. So naturally it follows the choice for President is not Kucinich, who would "take our guns" and do something righteous with federal power instead of abolish it, but Ron Paul, even though his position on 9/11 is better described as blowback than "inside job." ("I believe very sincerely that the CIA is correct when they teach and talk about blowback," said Paul.)

The depth of Paul's support is debatable, but it's almost implausibly broad. From Kucinich's base of support - one Kucinich campaign worker writes that she's trying "to figure a way to bring these democrats to Dennis Kucinich. He is Ron Paul on steriods. That's what I tell them anyway." - to white nationalist "9/11 Truth" activists on Stormfront (I won't link to Stormfront, but it's not difficult to find):

Anyone who doesn't vote for Paul on this site is an assclown. Sure he doesn't come right out and say he is a WN, who cares! He promotes agendas and ideas that allow Nationalism to flourish. If we "get there" without having to raise hell, who cares; aslong as we finally get what we want. I don't understand why some people do not support this man, Hitler is dead, and we shall probably never see another man like him.

Pat Buchanan's book "Where the Right Went Wrong" is a prime example of getting the point across without having the book banned for anti semitism. The chapters about the war in Iraq sound like a BarMitzvah, but he doesn't have to put the Star of David next to each name for us to know what he means. We are running out of options at this point, and I will take someone is 90% with us versus any of the other choices.

Not to mention if Paul makes a serious run, he legitimizes White Nationalism and Stormfront, for God's sake David Duke is behind this guy!


There have been concerns expressed about what Paul may believe regarding race. Of greater concern to progressive Americans should be what he undoubtedly and unabashedly embraces: the end of much social spending and corporate regulation, such as it still exists in the United States. The vision of governance, and what public office can and should do, is the inversion of progressive values and the exclamation point to the end of the New Deal. Paul's radical Libertarianism would make him a privateer's wet-dream president: Grover Norquist's ideal henchman, holding the federal government beneath the bathwater while it drowned.

Now, Paul seems like an honest enough guy, and appears to hold his positions with integrity. But in politics, integrity is a commodity that intentionally obfuscates policy with character. And it is also a tactic common to populist fascist movements of the last century. That's not to equate Paul with Hitler or Mussolini or Peron. There are many good reasons why the comparisons are absurd. But it bears reminding that fascism is populist: its voices the loudest; its tents among the biggest; its appeal, appallingly broad.

I want to be the minority.

141 Comments:

Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

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9/11/2007 01:09:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

Two thousand years ago they called
it Bread and Circuses.

9/11/2007 01:13:00 PM  
Blogger Josey Wales said...

I am seeing a troubling trend in your post and discussion board comments regarding 9/11 and more specifically, Alex Jones. You may not care for his style but he has guts. He has done yeoman's work in exposing the elite in many areas.

My hat is off to anyone who has the misfortune of dealing with the 'off the reservatiion' overzealous police force we have in most of the US and Canada. I do not think it was staged. Anyone who has been involved with the police know it is not fun. They will use any tacit they think they can get away with.
We are in serious trouble in the country when the police think they can abuse peaceful protesters on live TV and get away with it. The scary part is that they will away with it.
I see a lot of information on this site but just knowing what is happening to you is not the same as doing something about it. People getting attacked by sharks know what is happening but it really does not help much unless they get out of the water.

9/11/2007 01:21:00 PM  
Blogger Free said...

Lots happening here in New York City. 911 Truth organization has split into two factions - "911 Truth NY" and "We Are Change." They had two separate 911 conferences, 911 Truth NY at Cooper Union featuring "experts", Webster Tarpley, etc. The other "We Are Change" was led by Loose Change producers at Webster Hall night club and featured Alex Jones. I went one day to each one.

Cooper Union was attended by tired old guard leftists and was heavy on analysis. Bernard White, director of WBAI Pacifica Radio made a tight lipped appearance at the "Breaking Through" media panel where he said nothing about why WBAI only mentions 911 Truth issues when they are begging for donations. On Saturday, the 1000 seat auditorium was about half full.

"We Are Change" drew a young crowd, packing out Webster Hall, a large night club. Many wore black "Investigate 911" tee shirts. I was surprised at the right wing jargon in use (every speaker or performer was introduced as a "patriot") and the hyper-emotional tenor of the event heightened by low lights, blaring sound system, functioning bar.

A 911 first responder spoke, a singer and and actor, then a tribute to a great patriot - Aaron Russo - all built up to the climax, to of the star of the show -Alex Jones - who gesticulated and emoted in a way that reminded me of A. Hitler. He yelled of the "New World Order's" plan to exterminate 80% of the the population - hadn't heard that one in a while.

Halfway through the preview of his new film, Endgame, I couldn't take anymore. I had to leave and begin to decompress.

Today, on the anniverary of 911, it's stormy, with heavy rain and i hear that we are under a lunar eclipse.

more later

9/11/2007 01:35:00 PM  
Blogger anuma said...

"A 911 first responder spoke, a singer and and actor, then a tribute to a great patriot - Aaron Russo - all built up to the climax, to of the star of the show -Alex Jones - who gesticulated and emoted in a way that reminded me of A. Hitler. He yelled of the "New World Order's" plan to exterminate 80% of the the population - hadn't heard that one in a while."

You've hit on an interesting issue: what I like to call the "conspiracy conspiracy." It's the fact that conspiracy theory is sometimes used as propaganda by very nasty conspiracy-esque types, especially fascists. Hitlerism used a lot of conspiracy theory in its propaganda: about the Jews, the "international elite," Bolsheviks, etc.

I'm wary of conspiracy theory for partly this reason. If you lift the hood on some of the figures in the conspiracy theory community, you find that they aren't much better (and are sometimes worse) than the New World Order that they criticize. You have racists, fascists, and Christian reconstructionists among others.

I have considered some of the stuff about 9/11 that the "truth movement" (as one other poster pointed out, wouldn't Orwell have loved that one!) has put out and I've found a lot of it unconvincing. In some ways it's more disturbing to realize that a couple of yahoos with boxcutters really can do that much damage, but it's true. We really are not safe at all. The reason we haven't been attacked since 9/11 is simply because nobody has chosen to.

One of the real lessons of 9/11 is that our safety is an illusion and that the politicians selling us safety and security are selling snake oil. Our multi-trillion-dollar defense budget could not stop boxcutters.

That being said, I do think that there's a possibility that intelligence leading up to the event was ignored by people who wanted such an event to happen. In any case, they sure did seize the day to ram through a lot of fascistic legislation that had been waiting in the wings for such an event to legitimize it.

I also think that some of the work that Daniel Hopsicker has done down in Florida merits a closer look. He seems to have been uncovering just what kind of strange background the 9/11 highjackers came from. To me the relevant questions aren't how did the buildings come down (and I find the controlled demolition argument unconvincing), but: who exactly were these highjackers, who were they working for, how did they operate under the radar, how did they know what they knew, who funded them, and what was the motive for the whole thing? If there are conspiracies, they are to be found there.

This could be one of the roles of 9/11 truth: to get us to look away from the real personalities and background of the attack and instead waste our time on implausible theories of controlled demolition and even wackier stuff. The real question isn't how, but who and why.

9/11/2007 01:55:00 PM  
Blogger theeKultleeder said...

I had no idea about the "VMA" thing. That type of "news" is the kind I'm not attracted to, but your Britney story is sad in a obvious and ongoing way. She is just a worn-out plaything for the media beast. Silverman turns me off because she is so cheerfully mean (and arrogant) - her and the MTV crowd deserve each other.

Jones is starting to scare me, again, with all these stories of what it's like to be in a crowd around the man. It took me a long time to get past ideological barriers and listen to him; now I'm wondering if my first instinct was correct.

9/11/2007 02:06:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

Didn't Hopsicker dig up information
that some of the hijackers were
trained on US military bases? Isn't
that the reason that Able Danger
was shut down? So as not to expose
the connection between the hijackers
and CIA/Military Intell? You can't
get more "inside job" than that..

9/11/2007 02:16:00 PM  
Blogger Qlipoth said...

Jeff, precisely what was it in that protest that annoyed you so very, very much? Your bête noir, the vulgar Alex Jones, was just one among many, he was not visible in the FOX report, and he was never once named in it. The only words visible on any of those placards were "9/11 was an inside job", "Investigate 9/11" and "Stop the neocon madmen" - what do you object to in those necessarily-brief messages? (There was not one word about bombs, pods, holograms, no-plane, thermite, Jews or even a New World Order.) Rivera's exasperation was anything but "studied": he was clearly struggling to improvise, and he came across looking like a flustered fool.

It was the only vehement protest on this issue to achieve visibility in the US media in the last six years. It is simply nonsense to insinuate that both sides benefited equally from it. And to state the obvious: when one bunch is saying: "Our government attacked us" and the others reply: "Get a life! You're nut-jobs, misfits, anarchists and communists, you're deeply unattractive, and you're going to get arrested!" - then there is clearly something more important at stake than TV ratings or blog visitor stats.

So exactly what is your problem with it? And excatly what is your recommendation? Leave that Second-Biggest Tent, retreat to your personal sleeping-bags, never protest collectively in meatworld, and be content to complain endlessly on the Web, happy in the knowledge that few will accuse you of vulgarity (because very few will care)?

- MacCruiskeen

9/11/2007 02:25:00 PM  
Blogger Mutant Chainsaw said...

Should the revolution come and pass Alex Jones will be on the air denouncing progressives as remnants of the new world order. Feminism, environmentalism and other 'liberal' causes he considers to be part of an Illuminati plot. I like some of what he says/does but when you get down to it he isn't on the same page as us; he is in fact opposed to us. (I think I can lump the readers of this blog into an 'us'.)

9/11/2007 02:31:00 PM  
Blogger Fletcher said...

This is all so disturbingly cowardly.
the propensity to get under Jeff's tent, ride his bandwagon or whatever concerning Alex Jones is kind of...dissapointing and somewhat sickening.
What's your problem w/ Jones? I just think you don't want to believe that his over the top style and in your face methods are real. He's real. The arrest wasn't staged. It's sad that Jeff would suggest that.
Get off Jones' back. Just because he thinks we're all headed for the concentration camps and Martial Law, chemtrails and his views on 9/11 doesn't mean it's not far from thetruth. Don't just dismiss what he says because you don't like the way he does it. And the assertion that he is somehow like Hitler...come on...please...you make me sick.

9/11/2007 03:23:00 PM  
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9/11/2007 04:09:00 PM  
Blogger Josey Wales said...

Right on, Fletcher.

There is an old adage: 'Don't let the best be the enemy of the good'.

How is Jones opposed to 'us'? He is seeking the Truth. He is as far from fascism as Jeff is supposed to be.

Also I am living for the day when I can read these posts without someone being compared to Hitler.

9/11/2007 04:29:00 PM  
Blogger Aaron said...

Alex Jones style plays perfectly into the hands of the powers that be. It's exactly the sort of wild-eyed paranoia with black and white statements that the PTB try to get us to associate with (untrue) conspiracies. Because of that the 'normal' people will steer well clear of him.

Sure he covers some good stuff but he will always keep himself marginalised and doesn't appear to have the judgement to understand how he is coming over or the wit to understand that even if the Rockefellers paid for feminism in order to help break up the family it doesn't mean the goal of equality for women isn't a valid one.

What he really needs is some good PR :-)

9/11/2007 04:34:00 PM  
Blogger waffletron said...

The notion that "conspiracy theorists" who talk about elite powers that be out of control is uncomfortably close to Hitler like "Protocols" doesn't make sense..and I see a lot of liberals yell at people like me for daring to raise issues about 9/11 or saying that globalization, war and terror is proxied out by the same elites.

I also don't see why so many Fortean/UFOlogists talk about all this Xfiles stuff, but then say 9/11 was merely the work of clever jihadists. It's almost as if the 90's era conspiracy obsession(Xfiles, Men in Black, JFK, Area 51, etc) was replaced with this pro authority war on terror raw-raw-raw crap that even the left quietly buys into(how many liberals say Iraq is bad, but then say Afghanistan was the right choice?)

So I'm torn...because I STRONGLY disagree that the talk of "evil elite globalists" is code for anti Semetism. Youre always going to have jokers saying everything is the Jews. I find it depressing that in the mainstream, the evidence of Israeli involvement is stronger than US involvement for instance(Israeli spies, arrested Mossad, etc)

BUT, I also see how "New Truth" has turned 9/11 into this clownish cartoon where Bush and Cheney flew fake planes with missiles into buildings, and Osama and al Qaeda don't exist and no such thing as Islamic terrorists. That negates the fact that terror networks were set up by Brzezinski and have been nurtered by America's pals the Pakistanis, UAE Dubai folks and Saudis.

Who cares if some neo Nazis have attached themselves to "9/11 truth". 9/11 truth is about being more anti war than the left, neo Nazis WANT to see "brown" people bombed to death. Most 9/11 truthers I know are VERY much aware of eco destruction, globalization, and other left activist causes.
It's OK that 9/11 truth is both left and right, and right down the center.

For a blog that talks about government elites sacrificing kids for the devil with related Fortean aplumb (which I agree with), I was disheartened to see this sort of post.

However, the fact the truthers got side tracked from the PROVEN fact of Paki/Saudi involvement, PTECH, FBI obstruction, etc is VERY troubling. I call this the 9/11 Fiction Circus.

Ultimately, I see the destruction of the Rockefeller/bin Laden created towers and 9/11 itself as a giant Satanic ritual.

9/11/2007 05:18:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

TSOLDRIN:

I just read your last post on the last thread and "visited" your new home on your blogsite.

It takes as much guts to do what you are doing as the guts that Alex Jones has to use a bullhorn without a permit.

JOSEY WALES wrote:
"I see a lot of information on this site but just knowing what is happening to you is not the same as doing something about it. People getting attacked by sharks know what is happening but it really does not help much unless they get out of the water."


Some of us here have done that or will be doing that very soon....


For some of you who are asking Jeff why?.....
you REALLY have to read between the lines sometimes....There is so much he has offered for us to contemplate. I only see one sentence in the whole blog that mentions Jones.

If I am getting what he is saying; it's why do we have to go to a circus tent and hear someone scream thru a Bullhorn that we are getting fucked from all sides?


Most of us already know that, includng poor little Britney.

Those who still choose to believe that "Jesus will come down from the sky and get everyone high"..(thanks Bob), will all go to heaven...
To that Big Circus Tent in the Sky!!!

9/11/2007 05:49:00 PM  
Blogger Josey Wales said...

My Lord, Jeff, are you just simply trying to piss people off? Get off Ron. If he were the 'insiders' choice, as you not so subtly suggest, then he would not be ignored by the MSM as he is now.
I can find just as many 'nuts' who like little Dennis K. as you can find in Ron's camp. Half of the green bunch are nothing more than neo-Malthusians who are glad to support depopulation schemes, al la Agenda 2000 or similar ideas.
I don't want Prince Phillip, Duke of Windsor coming back as a virus to kill me and I don't want a bunch of do-gooders forcing their notions of political correctness down my throat from the Left or the Right!
I want liberty and that is want Ron Paul is preaching. A government powerful enough to give you everything you want is powerful enough to take away everything you have.
And can we leave race out of this? Do you think Obama would bring Utopia? I am so sick of this simplistic equation of white=evil, black=good. Stirring the race pot is a trick right out of the elite playbook. If we are really interested in the truth then we should not be afraid to let the chips fall where they may, white,black or Jew. No one or group should be 'off-limits'. Criticism does not equal hate.

9/11/2007 05:57:00 PM  
Blogger Chris said...

Follow this link

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP310A.html

for an interesting theory as to how certain conspiracy theories (i.e. the jews did it, or the saudi alone are responsible) serve as effective smokescreens (and perhaps more). The article also casts light on how certain government-related officials can aid and abet jihadists, given institutional complaceny and false trust...and then realistically spin a story that holds up in court

As for Ron Paul serving malicious intents...i don't know what to make of it. I hadn't known about previous comments he made regarding LA riots and what not. He always seemed pretty honest to me, but i've only been paying attention to him for a few years (mostly turned on to him by antiwar.com, which does often hint at Israeli pefidy...and i sometimes wonder at whom such comments are directed). it's disheartnening to learn that he may be a signpost for neo-nazis

9/11/2007 06:53:00 PM  
Blogger friendlyfascism said...

Jeff,

have you seen Dave McGowan's mention of the Dark Brothers and Brittney? Seems one of the brothers was invovled in kiddieporn and then went mainstream, where he now manages acts like Britney's... Your anaylsis, coming for me on the heels of having just read that section in MCGowan's "Programmed to Kill" (which you probably know about and have read already) took my breath away.. at first I though you were engaged in a satire, and then I saw it was more than that... her degradation probably WAS planned, and it serves the same (if less tramautizing) pupose as public executions or collapsed steel buildings or oh-so-obviously corrupt presidents: to degrade us all.

9/11/2007 07:37:00 PM  
Blogger C. A. Dupin said...

RE: Ron Paul.
I don't want to be under any tent that includes Willis Carto or the John Birch Society. I'M WITH JEFF. And sorry folks, are you blind? If you read his blog or see Jeff's left of center positions within the RI forum, how can you be shocked about his stance on Paul or Jones?

If you liked what happened in Latin America during the Cold War, then stick with Ron Paul. They are both children of Milton Friedman.
As for Jones? "Native-ism" is the oldest trick in the book - "Fairies in the Garden or Barbarians at the gate."

Entitlement without accountability is what got us in this mess, in the first place.

Hell, if you guys leave, someone might actually take Jeff's work seriously.

FU, freepers.

9/11/2007 09:41:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

If it doesn't fit...you must acquit.

9/11/2007 10:17:00 PM  
Blogger Josey Wales said...

Hey C A, perhaps it might help if you actually knew what you were talking about before you shot from the hip.
First, I don't think Milton would approve of getting rid of the Federal Reserve. Ron is 100% against the Fed.
Second, Ron is a non-interventionist in foreign policy so he would not have approved of Latin American ops.
Third, keep excluding everyone that you think is 'right of center' or a John Bircher and your tent will be more like a Pup tent.
And finally, FREEPERs would never allow Ron Paul supporters on their site. They are dyed in the wool Bush supporters and hate anyone who disagrees with any of his policies. I am 'right of center' so I guess I should leave or move to the back of the bus. Your little tirade is what keeps freedom loving people who may be right of center from joining your ranks in the cause of liberty. I suppose some on the Left just can not accept the notion that anyone on the right could love freedom and liberty too or have pure motives. I think it should be a testimony to our intellectual integrity and vigor that so-called right wingers read and contribute to this blog and can find common ground on many subjects. You really have no idea how far some of us have had to come and how many friends and fellow travelers we have given up to support many of the ideas this blog espouses. BTW, the Birch society was one of the first and has probably done as much or more than any group to wake people up. You may not agree with them but they expose the powerful elite to many blinded citizens.
If we are ever going to regain our liberty you had better hope you have the biggest tent around, brother, because the other side is not going to hand it back with a bow and a smile.

9/11/2007 10:50:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

I find it interesting that Jeff
implies that Ron Paul doesn't
believe in 9/11 truth. Two days
ago Fox news used a tape of Ron Paul
talking with a couple of members
of We Are Change to declare: Ron
Paul is a "Troofer!!". One of the
comments he made on the tape implies
he doesn't believe the official
story of the death of JFK either.
And if he is so "right wing" why
did Bill O'Reilly try and rip him
a new asshole last night on his
show? Neo-Nazis as Paul followers?
I haven't seen one yet and I have
been following Paul for almost a
year. One thing I do "see" in Jeffs
post and in the comments is a lot of fear. I don't believe in "God"
but I'm not afraid of Christians,
I don't own a gun, but I'm not afraid of my many friends who do,
and I'm not afraid of minorities -
I'm white - but if the US can't
handle the simple task of securing
its borders then it doesn't really
deserve to be called a nation.
And as far as Alex Jones is
concerned, all he has done is tried
to tell us what HIS version of the
truth is. I don't agree with everything he says, but I'll NEVER
forget that it was Alex who went
on the air in late July of 2001
and basically laid out the whole
schematic of the 9/11 attacks
including the time frame in which they would happen. As far as I know
he was the ONLY person in any
form of media to do this. Jeff you
have made it clear that you want to
be in the minority and your not
into the "Big Tent". But I think
there is one "Big Tent" that most
of us could fit into and that is
the "Tent" of Peace, Freedom, and
the ability to live our lives without the constant harassment
of Big Brother.

"Power has NEVER given up power
willingly, it has to be TAKEN
from them."
Malcom X

I would prefer that we take back
"OUR" power at the ballot box,
but if the shit hits the fan we
might have to use the cartridge box..

9/11/2007 11:32:00 PM  
Blogger C. A. Dupin said...

Yo Josey Wales.

The Bircher's first hobby horse was the repeal of Civil Rights legislation; nothing more than a "white citizens' society" dedicated to preventing minorities from gaining political power.
I guess "liberty", like Ford's Model T, only comes in one color.

Get to know Francis Parker Yockey. THEN we'll talk History.

That Bilderberg jive is a psyop. Jew baiting at its finest.

Naming yourself after a mythical Confederate "superhero" is enough evidence for me.

9/11/2007 11:49:00 PM  
Blogger Loveandlight said...

I want to be the minority.

As a gay man who wants nothing to do with butt-boinking, I can certainly relate!

9/11/2007 11:59:00 PM  
Blogger illumgotti said...

There are many more villains in current affairs more deserving of a week-in-the-making, 9/11 anniversary RIGINT post than (1/10th of George Wallace's popularity) candidate Ron Paul and the cynical scheme of a dying cable network.

Seriously. Ron Paul? Nazi? I'm more scared by Hillary, and she's probably getting my vote.

9/12/2007 12:01:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis Igou said...

C.A. Dupin you are spot on. Ron Paul is not colorblind. Jeff is right about most everything. Invoke peace! Respectfully, Dennis

9/12/2007 12:16:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

I'm neither a Britney fan nor a detractor.

I ignore her.

Not my cup of tea, so to speak.

I've also ignored MTV for years, primarily because MTV has done its damnedest to murder what I loved about music.

But,

a. wasn't her sell-by date pretty much etched into her forehead, since her marketing gimmick was the naughty little school-girl? You don't see too many 25 year old, mother of two, schoolgirls, do you?

&

b. Isn't this what generally happens in this "cult of personality?" The idols are raised, worshiped, &, if the idol is unwise enough or unlucky enough to tarnish, then ripped to pieces by the rabid devotees.

The Sarah Silverman bit was some incredible improv.

It didn't appear, for even one second, that she knew Britney would face dive.

Nah!

Although, link clicking & reading the reviews, I can't see why any woman ends up with a poor self image & low self-esteem.

Nosiree-bob, can't see that at all.

From what I can see, it isn't much different from Geraldo baking cookies in a hot car or his resident psychology bimbo saying, "Homosexual urges are extremely powerful urges."

Gee, do you think?

Maybe like...ummmm...sexual urges?

My quibble with Ron Paul, or any politician who wants to shrink the Federal Government, is entirely based on my belief that this is exactly what corporate America would love to see happen.

Otherwise they wouldn't spend so much time & money in a relentless campaign to de-claw every federal regulatory body.

From the EPA to OSHA to the FDA to Labor Laws, whatever legal power they have to limit corporate America from screwing everyone raw has been won through the hard work of folk who experienced a good corporate reaming & decided to fight back.

& doing away with the IRS sounds nice on the surface, but I can't help wondering what would happen when all those Federal dollars stop flowing into the states.

I also can't help wondering how a Paul presidency would look.

Would he actually be able to do any of the things he says he'd do.

Bush has been given free reign to do as he pleases because he's doing what pleases the asylum owners.

If Paul had the same freedom, I'd seriously start questioning whether my belief in his policies was well founded or if I just had GULLIBLE FUCK tat-ed onto my forehead for 4 years.

But, by then, it would be too late, wouldn't it?

9/12/2007 12:40:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

It seems Jeff is attempting to create his own Big Tent through fear, and is unaware of it.

Some loose comments from above:

"He yelled of the "New World Order's" plan to exterminate 80% of the the population - hadn't heard that one in a while.

Perhaps you would like a granola-crunchy female, educated, pro-organic, nutritionist to talk about the same thing? She's read the U.N. reports. The U.N. is indeed looking forward to 'benign neglect' and the death of around 3 billion people. It's in print.

Saturday, January 20, 2007
The Bioregional State's Bodily Integrity Principle Vs. Codex Alimentarius' WTO Vitamin Police
http://biostate.blogspot.com/2007/01/bioregional-states-bodily-integrity.html

See the video link there from Dr. Rima Laibow, MD:

Nutricide - Criminalizing Natural Health, Vitamins, and Herbs
Natural Solutions Foundation - 40 min - Sep 2, 2006 -

The Codex Alimentarius is a threat to the freedom of people to choose natural healing and alternative medicine and nutrition. Ratified by the World Health Organization, and going into Law in the United States in 2009, the threat to health freedom has never been greater. This is the first part of a series of talks by Dr. Rima Laibow, MD, available on DVD from the Natural Solutions Foundation, an non-profit organization dedicated to educating people about how to stop Codex Alimentarius from taking away our right to freely choose nutritional health.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5266884912495233634&q=codex+alimentarius

Like Alex Jones, Dr. Rima Laibow, MD though from the the 'crunchy-granola side' of environmentalism does talk about the same depopulationist goals of one wing of the 'corporate-environmentalists.'

"Should the revolution come and pass Alex Jones will be on the air denouncing progressives as remnants of the new world order. Feminism, environmentalism and other 'liberal' causes he considers to be part of an Illuminati plot."

"Environmentalism" is one of those Big Tents--with lots of different motivations of different groups wanting to join it or steer it. So is feminism and many other 'liberal' causes, by the way. (Gloria Steinem of the CIA and all that; MS Magaizine funded as an intelligence operation out of McCord's funds.). You can't ignore this steering simply because it may be going in the direction you (or I) want, because when you attempt to take the wheel you may be surprised you aren't really guiding its larger goals which may be quite different than most leftists think that all of this has been a 'consensus reality' from the start.

Back to environmentalism. One quote above about many greens being Neomalthusian is unfortunately true as well.

However, I tend to note 'three tents' in this big tent of Environmentalism. There is the [1] localism and autonomy aspects of environmentalism closer to my support (though not exclusive to my other support to erecting and 'solving' problematic issues of larger infrastructures toward group-watershed 'bioregional commonwealths'). This is very different than the corporate sponsored wing of environmentalism.

This corporate-sponsored wing I think has two facets that RigInt'ers are already familiar with though let's tie it to how this parapolitical, international, totalitarian morass we cogitate about greencoated itself and attempted to slip into the Big Tent to mingle with different groups:

[2] Volunaristic corporate-producer change wing of environmentalism, and/or biomimicry. 'volunaristic corporate change, so shut up about regulations and public health we're doing it on our schedule' of Hawken or McDonough strategies. As much as I like and agree with McDonough and the whole biomimicry movement, it's important though it's hardly enough to expect voluntaristic corporate change because voluntaristic corporate change got us where we are right now so unsustainably. When people sell this as the 'only solution', they sell this as the only poltics of the solution.

[3] The eugenics/depopulationism wing of of environmentalism. This is the group Alex Jones almost exclusively talks about "as Environmentalism" wihch is misleading to make that insinuation. However, it is frankly spot on for this branch of Big Tent Environmentalism and where they want to lead the green circus when it comes to town. This ring in the green circus is really the not-so-long-ago eugenics/depopulationism movement. Prescott Bush stepped right into "Planned Parenthood" associations after WWII, after being a major Nazi banker in WWII for instance. By the 1970s, depopulationists were turning themselves into 'greens' as well--though the Green movement is much wider and very different [cite: Green Politics by Spretnak and Capra]. Margaret Sanger, who left-types like to consider a "women's rights" activist in the USA in the early 1900s, for her pressures and activism for rights to abortion and female birth control (which I do support so don't trash me for bringing the next bit up), was actally a racist eugenicist and class-based activist--who saw that population reduction would kill off mostly the 'teeming rowdy and criminal' poor. This eugenic/depopulationist wing has insinuated itself into the Big Tent of Environmentalism by the 1960s popularizing ongoing neoMalthusian constructs of environmetnal degradation as 'green thought' (like Erlich's 1968 The Population Bomb, etc.; Club of Rome), with population reduction still seen as the only variable capable to affecting or ameliorating environmental degradation, since in their view population scale is the direct expression of environmental degradation. (It's far more complicated and attenuated than this direct simple idea, and may in some cases be entirely pointless to argue populationsim since a lot of environmental degrdation so consumer-distribution based instead of poulation based. For instance the U.S. with 5% or less of global population creates more that 25% of all global greenhouse gases, etc. and uses an even larger amount of the world's raw materials--though Lester Brown of the World Watch Instiute now claims in his latest book that China is using more world materials than the U.S., even though "China" is not really using them because China is so export-development and transnational-corporate oriented. It's just the global transnational corporations making use of the police state of China to centralize much production there to crush the labor movement and environmental regulation.

As for 'eugenics/depoulationism as proto-environmentalism,' the same arguments have been made for 200 years out of Anglo-America: that killing off a mostly poor non-white world will help save 'wasted wealth' (of European elites) and stop environmental degradation to boot--and stop political complaint about further wealth consolidation and externalities of course. This construct has increasingly been greencoated by the 1960s-1970s. "Greens" that support this corporate-eugenic wing of environmentalism tends to ignore the massive wealth and eugenic aspects that really started the whole idea by the close of the 1800s and the first half of the 1900s. This hyper-rich coterie (the railroads monopolists of the Harriman family--and the Bushes connected to the Harrimans by the early 20th century--almost single handedly funded and created the eugenics movement's infrastructure. The Harrimans were quite motivated to propogandanize the ideas among a tight knit British, U.S., and German elite who were increasingly the same corpoate and political elite by the Great Depression looking for (Final) solutions. Hitler loved and admired the British Empire. So did many of the people who worked closely with him (was it Ribbentrop?), one who was practically raised by the "British royal familiy" (who are German) as a "German cousin". Eugenics was a US/UK idea, imported into German's Nazi Party. Hitler used existing U.S. laws about eugenics as his models (just as gun control movement laws in the U.S. were built from Third Reich models by the 1960s [cite: Lethal Laws]). Rockefellers and other major U.S. money invested in the German corporations and locked up the world in certain raw material regimes by the 1910s-1930s; I.G. Farben's branch in America helping the German spy machine during WWII and all that [cite: American Swastika; Trading with the Enemy]; you had "American" IBM building German tabulating machines to make the Shoah 'work' smoothly; IBM's CEO/founder giving speeches in the USA in 1939 on "all Germany wants is just a little fair growing room," to paraphrase him (cite: Edwin Black's blockbuster book, _IBM and the Holocaust_); Rockefeller oil companies fueling Nazi submarines during WWII in the Carribean, etc. [American Swastika and/or Trading with the Enemy]

So with Environmentalism as one large Big Tent movement, there is this corporate-fascist wing within environmentalism and Alex Jones is right to rail against it. This is the totally unpunished Rockefeller-oilcorp-media-eugenics wing--the same connections since the early 20th century! Their discredited and very openly discussed 20th century eugenic and depopulationist goals are still there: they have only been now "green-coated". These people (not all people) are using the cloak of environmentalism to justify fascist consolidation and eugenics in the Third World--and soon the First World.

Alex Jones should make a differentiation between different 'greens', though his antic broadbrushing doesn't do the variations justice.

And it is these enviro-eugenics people who invented the meme of Peak Oil.

It hardly takes a genius to note that if you are a fascist and you have the strangehold on the world's oil based energy, and you are in the biological warfare research as well, you would utilzie your corporate and military institutional advantage to promote your political eugenic goals--even against your own economic interest--if what you really were after was political power and shutting off oil to kill off people. (Of course there are many alternatives to oil--as the world is slowly waking up to. www.theaircar.com for example) The depopulationist Club of Rome for instance was filled with the same people (and oil company people) who were helping the Nazis in WWII, as reported by Dave McGowan's little short biographies of their organizers.

So on the one hand, I think Alex Jones is right though only if you are looking at that 'one ring' in the Big Tent of 'three ring' Environmentalism. He is wrong to insinuate--by omission--that there are many other strands that would have nothing to do with that, and don't.

The irony is that many in the Deep Ecology wing of Big Tent Environmentalism are as neoMalthusian in their views of environmentalism as the corporate-eugenicists. I talked about this here.

I assume this is why major U.S. papers like the New York Times promulgate either Zerzan and/or that Texas guy who wants population reduction (whom Jones has covered as well). The coporate media are just aiming the cameras for the masses at a 'one ring circus' of environmentalism (depopulationism)--when there are two other rings mentioned above going on all the time outside the corporate camera lens that have a difficulty getting media time like McDonough and/or Hawken, or I would add much in bioregionalism or my bioregional state motif (which means, in short, changing the formal state since it is something we all have in common which can get us toward sustainability developmental poltics. This is another non-exclusive route to sustainability like the biomimicry movement.

I originally began pondering these 'three ring circus' dynamics in looking at who was selling the questionable idea of "Peak (biological in origin) Oil". A while back I summarized the following. I did a bit of editing to make it fit this discussion:

(1) there is only scientific evidence that oil is abiotically created, period--there is no evidence physically for oil being of a fossil-fuel origin. Coal yes, petroleum, no. This seems to have always been a total scam to justify the high prices of oil by analogy to coal, and the only 'theory' for biotic petroleum came from theories of 250 years ago that never ever gathered any evidence for their justification. The total scam of the "fossil fuel theory" were just carried over from the 1700s ideas because they alone among ideas about oil were convenient ways to frame (abiotic) oil falsely as a "scarce and unreplenishable resource", globally dominated by the Rockefeller family. Hubbert of "Hubbert's peak" fame worked for Shell oil, right?

(2) the "tragedy" they keep softening people up for is entirely their own design. The dislocations are not going to be an accidental oversight or are going to be the effect of some physical reality of the issue of "supply and demand" etc.--all information about oil of course is entirely private anyway, why trust anything they say as for their motivations particularly when the whole framing is designed to make something social like production seem entirely neutral? moreover, they want you to believe that your life dislocation will be "damned bad, though not our fault!". However, the dislocation will be their fault. This is because they are (2a) intentionally and socially shutting down oil production currently--even from profitable California refineries to make it look like "oil is peaking naturally." Even other oil companies that want to buy these refineries are being denied them! And the corrupt U.S.A. is looking the other way. (2b) the other part of the intentionality is that they are keeping other technological frameworks of energy offline to faciliate the dislocation they want POLITICALLY. (2c) What backs up (2b) is that oil companies in the past 10 years have been buying up the "alternative energy" market patents. However, you don't hear about them seriously using these patents. What you do hear about is the repressive attempt to confiscate all of this alternative technology, like that Ford electric car/truck that was in the news recently. And very few people know that compressed air cars with no pollution are being mass manufactured by Tata Motors in India, with French inventor engines. www.theaircar.com. There are markets for these alternative technologies out there. However, they are intentionally not being filled for a political purpose of dislocation. (2d) This dislocation will suit them politically to usher in and justify a police state crackdown after they created the "oil shock" context for themselves. (2e) The 21st century "oil shock" will be just like their practice run "oil shock" in the 1970s [see Engdahl's book about Anglo-American global oil politics, recently republished--hard to find before.] (2f) There were Congressional investigations of their artificial 1970s "oil shock" mass social manipulation tests then (in the 1970s). There are none now with oil men are in the White House. And they are the same group from the late 1970s. Thus, what these people were working on in the 1970s--all those plans--are being dusted off.

(3) Environmentalism is one large movement. However, there is a corporate-fascist wing within environmentalism that Jones does talk about, though this group is only wearning a 'green cloak' instead of being environmentalists I would say. (3a) This is the totally unpunished Rockefeller-oilcorp-media-eugenics wing--the same connections since the early 20th century! Their discredited and very openly discussed 20th century eugenic and depopulationist goals are still there: they have only been now "green-coated". These people (not all people) are using the cloak of environmentalism to justify fascist consolidation and eugenics in the Third World--and soon the First World. It hardly takes a genius to note that if you are a fascist and you have the strangehold on the world's oil based energy, and you are in the biological warfare research as well, you would utilize your corporate and military institutional advantage to promote your political eugenic goals--even against your own economic interest--if what you really were after was political power. (3b) The depopulationist Club of Rome for instance was filled with the same people (and oil company people) who were helping the Nazis in WWII.

(4) It is important to understand the physical reality of what is going on (abiotic oil) COMBINED with the political issues of these die-hard fascist-eugenecists in the oil companies. Not one or the other. Both. Without thinking about both, you are unable to seriously make plans for what to do or know what is really going on. Instead, remember to always ask the question: "Is what I am being coached to want, really someone else's interest?"

(5) My advice is get yourself set with non-oil based technologies of energy, perhaps a group-friend investment in something good. Oil is being POLITICALLY NOT ECONOMICALLY shut down, because it is on their political schedule. Your mass disloation reactions are going to be managed, similar to the 1970s. Don't let that happen and you will be less manipulated and held hostage to them. Ask MDI to make you an air car. Connect it to some very efficient solar panel to compress the air in the tanks for the engine, and there's transporation for free. (5a) My additional advice is to protect yourself the best you know how (healthy foods, vitamins, don't trust mass "innoculation" campains) from their coming (it's already here) military biowarfare on the world's population.

(6) If getting more information out about these high level criminal behaviors helps to slow or stop it--or even get the real actors in jail--you can bet I or others are going to do our best.

(7) I never even suggested that abiotic oil would be GOOD. I have always thought that abiotic oil that puts up tons of atmospheric carbon is a foolish energy choice. I'm not supporting abiotic oil's continuity.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/04/315745.shtml

Sloppy thinking and glazed eyed peakers are rapidly becoming the U.S. left's version of a fundamentalist desire of a Christian apocalypse. Word to the wise: the last thing I want would be go get the oil. The point is instead showing that we have enough to slowly--without economic disruptions--to move us to a more sustainable energy grid and technological choices. So, the only blame for failing to do that now clearly and solely lies with corporate, intentional negligence.

9/12/2007 01:01:00 AM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

By the way..Where is all this "Ron Paul is a racist" evidence I've
been hearing about? The main stream
and alternate press have had plenty
of time to research this. If there
was someone with an axe to grind or just looking for payback, they would
have popped up by now right?
And the people who know..who put
their money where their mouth is have Ron Paul at 8to1 to win the
nomination only behind Romney, Rudy, and Fred T. Of those four,
most of the momentum is in the Paul
camp ie: 40,000 volunteers, highest
name recognition in voters under30,
has won ALL the debates etc.
Kucinich is 50to1 and behind
virtually everyone on the Democratic
side. What that tells me is that
Ron Paul CAN win the nomination
of his party and Kucinich needs all
the other candidates to bow out to
even have a shot. Hillary would
most likely win a head to head
contest with Ron, but only because
women now total 51% of the number
of votes that could potentially
be cast. And lastly..
Did anyone see the pictures of Aaron Russo's service the other day? Ron Paul was there. He was
asked personally by Aaron's wife
to come and say a few words. And
why was that? Because Aaron Russo,
a Jew, was Ron Paul's biggest
supporter and was the person who
convinced Ron to run for President.
So please..if you have evidence that Ron Paul is a bigot, a racist
or anti-Semitic..it's time to put
up or shut up. By all means, prove Aaron Russo wrong.

RE: C.A. Dupin,
You might want to come
up with another analogy rather than
the Liberty/Model T number. Your
right, Model T's only came in one
color but it was black..not white.

9/12/2007 01:38:00 AM  
Blogger C. A. Dupin said...

RE: Dr. Bombay,

-"RE: C.A. Dupin,
You might want to come
up with another analogy rather than
the Liberty/Model T number. Your
right, Model T's only came in one
color but it was black..not white."-

Did I forget to mention woefully misguided empiricism?

'Twas a metaphor...

Ok, Birchers:
How about its founding fathers?
1) Robert Welch:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbirchS.htm

"The John Birch Society was established by Robert Welch in 1958. The organization was named after Captain John Birch, a member of the China Air Task Force murdered by Chinese communists on 25th August, 1945.

Welch made it clear he wanted a 'secret, monolithic organization' that would 'operate under completely authoritative control at all levels'. Welch explained that 'democracy is merely a deceptive phrase, a weapon of demagoguery, and a perennial fraud'."
Robert Welch believed that Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, and Dwight Eisenhower, were part of a communist conspiracy.
Not to mention, the SPLC and the NAACP.
-----
2)Revilo P. Oliver

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/the_critics/oliver/Oliverbio.html

His beliefs include:
·The Holocaust was a hoax.
·The white race is more intelligent that the black.
·JFK was assassinated by a Communist plot in cooperation with the CIA.
·JFK was a Communist agent who was assassinated because he was about to "turn American".
·All children are born unequal.
·We must encourage intelligent people to reproduce and inhibit those of lesser intelligence from doing so.
·Most “intellectuals” are just “frightened zombies.”
·The United Nations is a bunch of subhumans in a glass cage.
·Franklin D. Roosevelt was a “diseased creature” who surrounded himself in the White House with an “appalling gang of degenerates, traitors, and alien subversives.”

On race: "We must further understand that all races naturally regard themselves as superior to all others. We think Congoids unintelligent, but they feel only contempt for a race so stupid or craven that it fawns on them, gives them votes, lavishly subsidizes them with its own earnings, and even oppresses its own people to curry their favor. We are a race as are the others. If we attribute to ourselves a superiority, intellectual, moral, or other, in terms of our own standards, we are simply indulging in a tautology. The only objective criterion of superiority, among human races as among all other species, is biological: the strong survive, the weak perish. The superior race of mankind today is the one that will emerge victorious—whether by its technology or its fecundity--from the proximate struggle for life on an overcrowded planet."
----

Here's Dylan's thought on the ole' JBS:
Talkin' john Birch Society Blues

So I run down most hurriedly
And joined up with the John Birch Society,
I got me a secret membership card
And started off a-walkin' down the road.
Yee-hoo, I'm a real John Bircher now
Look out you Commies

Now we all agree with Hitler's' views,
Although he killed six million Jews.
It don't matter too much that he was a fascist,
At least you can't say he was a Communist
That's to say like if you got a cold you take a shot of malaria.

Well, I was lookin' everywhere for them gol-darned Reds.
I got up in the mornin' 'n' looked under my bed,
Looked in the sink, behind the door,
Looked in the glove compartment of my car.
Couldn't find 'em . . .

----

so long suckers

9/12/2007 03:01:00 AM  
Blogger Ben said...

You should rethink your love of 'progressivism'. As Gabriel Kolko - certainly no John Bircher (or Ron Paul camp follower, or Friedmanite, or Republican, or right winger or libertarian of any form) - showed in his grand study of the Progressive Movement, 'The Triumph of Conservatism' (Amazon will have it), so-called progressivism - business regulations, antitrust actions, the whole nine yards of government intervention - was hatched and managed by Big Business. The New Deal was more of the same. There never has been and never will be a positive government intervention that does not serve a power elite. Period. And that's why people find Ron Paul appealing. I don't really trust him, myself - he *is* a politician - but the idea of someone who actually does want to drown the government, rather than just use its ability to steal money at gunpoint for yet another supposedly 'noble' purpose is a happy one to people who are tired of paying fifty percent of their incomes to their fascist masters.

Incidentally, the poster who suggested that Ron Paul's ideas of economics are cut from the same cloth as those who ruined South America should go play in traffic. Pinochet and his ilk were no libertarians. 'Privatization' in the modern sense is not 'free-market'; there's nothing free about the government handing a lucrative monopoly to the privileged. That's fascism, and it's closer to the New Deal than it is to libertarianism - which you'd know if you bothered to read books and follow the money.

9/12/2007 04:43:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

An interesting angle to the Congressman of Ohio's strange death, the next U.S. military standdown announced in advance for 9-14-07 [?wha?], and more 'creepy things' I thought worth sharing from this writer:

Great Summary of Creepy Things

9-11-2007- WHAT'S GOING ON?
by Carol Wolman

Source: http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_carol_wo_070911_9_11_2007__what_s_go.htm

Going into Labor Day weekend, there were lots of rumors anticipating a false flag operation, another 9-11.

Trainloads of armored vehicles rolled into Houston.

The San Francisco Bay bridge closed for three days.

Suspicious activity was reported on ferries in Puget Sound.

Ominous civil defense exercises are being held in Oregon, as part of Operation Noble Resolve, which also involves military jets flying over New York.

An antiaircraft division is ordered to Washington DC.

We made it through the holiday safely.

Then last Wednesday, Congressman Paul Gillmor (R-OH) was found dead in his home. This was reported as a heart attack, until word leaked out that he had blunt trauma to the head and neck. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20649320/ Now we're being told he fell down the stairs. Gillmor was investigating a series of option trades that are suspicious- someone is betting billions of dollars that the market will fall 50% by September 21st. Even with the housing crisis, it would take a major catastrophe, like a "terrorist" attack, to precipitate such a plunge. As part of his job on the House Finance Committee, Gillmor was investigating this deal. Was he murdered because he was about to reveal something?

Would this death, on top of the deaths of Senators Wellstone and Carnahan, and the anthraxing of Senators Daschle and Leahy, have a chilling effect on people in Congress? Maybe that's why they're "spineless".

Now we learn that on August 30th, six nuclear warheads were "accidentally" shipped by B-52 from Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana. (Five arrived, did one get "lost"? Or is someone unable to count?) This violates all military procedure, which requires that nuclear weapons always be shipped on the ground in the continental US, so that if there's an accident, a bomb detonation won't occur.

It would take an order from the Commander-in-Chief to put nukes on a plane.

The warheads were reportedly fastened to cruise missiles, which have a range of 1500-2000 miles.

Not enough to cross the Atlantic, but enough to hit cities in the US as part of a false flag operation.

This scenario is being claimed by "military investigators" on the Hal Turner show, and is making its way around the internet. It's being said the plan was to hit 5 American cities with nuclear weapons over Labor Day weekend in order to install martial law. If so, we have been saved by the grace of God, operating through loyal American whistleblowers, who made the "accidental shipment" of nuclear warheads public.

Now we are told that the entire Air Force will stand down on September 14th, for overhaul and review of procedures. http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2007/09/airforce_aircombatcommand_standdown_070807/ Our skies will be unguarded for a day, and our vulnerability has been announced to the whole world. It's an open invitation to America's enemies to attack us.

The last stand-down, unannounced ahead of time, took place on Sept 11, 2001.

What's planned for Sept. 14th, 2007? Oddly enough, El Al, the Israeli airline, will not be flying planes that day either.

What is going on? One of my most anti-conspiracy friends says he believes it's a giant conspiracy. What do you think? and how can we nip it in the bud?

Let us pray that honest, conscientious, loyal Americans will abort whatever evil plot is in the works, just as someone "outed" the nukes on the B 52 on August 30th.

Let us remember that many such evil plots have been headed off- the fourth plane that did NOT hit Congress or the White House 6 years ago (which would have initiated martial law) , the anthrax that did NOT wipe out the whole Senate (thanks to alert postal workers and doctors at the Communicable Disease Center), the lie about "yellowcake from Niger" that was exposed by Ambassador Joe Wilson (at great cost to his wife Valerie Plame, and to all of us who were being protected by her undercover CIA network), and many others.

What to do? Talk about the Sept 14th stand-down and your suspicions, write about it, protest about it. The truth will set us free. God is with us, with We the People. We are being threatened with great harm by those in power who are supposed to be serving us. If we shed enough light, if we make enough noise, if we love our country and our planet, we will finally be able to overthrow the pirates who have hijacked our ship of state, and bring them to justice.

Impeachment now!

In the name of the God of truth and justice, Carol Wolman
http://voteCarolWolmanforCongress.com

Carol S. Wolman, MD is a psychiatrist in Northern California. A lifelong peace activist, she has written extensively on the psychology of our times. She is actively working to impeach Bush and Cheney, and suggests you join or form a local group at http://impeachbush.meetup.com/ She ran for Congress as a nonpartisan write-in candidate in CA district 1, and is a coordinator of The Longhouse Coalition.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_carol_wo_070911_9_11_2007__what_s_go.htm

9/12/2007 05:27:00 AM  
Blogger farang said...

I suppose it is just me, Jeff, but I do not see the intrigue, the cliff-hanging suspense I came to know and enjoy for a while from you any more. Frankly, boring ADL-type tripe. Drivel.

I know you are Canadian, so perhaps you're commenting on US matters is from that perspective, which may explain the simplistic approach, not to mention the "coded" allegations against anyone pointing a finger of guilt at Israel's involvement in 9/11/01, and in US politics.

Note I said involvement, not sole guilt, but that will go unnoticed by you, of course. That's your function now, isn't it? Misdirection? You are slipping, my friend.

No, the ADL isn't trying to muzzle free speech in US, just ask professor Norm Finkelstein (son of Holocaust survivors, now THERE'S a person spreading "coded" messages, eh?) what happens to those in US that don't toe the ADL's line, Jeff, it is our overactive and prejudiced imagination about "coded" persons.

Or Professor Walt, accused by Abe Foxman as an "anti-Semite" for writing and publishing facts.

Do you take the Ronnie Reagan approach on facts now too, Jeff?

As the grandson of a Genocide survivor (who did Hitler state no one remembers, Jeff, who was the people the word Genocide was coined for?), I find Americans like Abe Foxman, an Armenian Genocide DENIER and quite frankly the ADL and AIPAC, to be what they obviously are: Foreign paid agents promoting Pro-Israel policies over what is best for my country, the USA. Maybe it is best policy for Israel, but not MY country, capice?

it is "OK" for Foxman to DENY the Genocide of over a million Armenians without a word from you in protest, but "breatless horror" Killtown might question the victor's "history" of the Holocaust. Golly and gee, I am not surprised.

Call me, label me, whatever. You're a liar and not too subtle one at that.

You're quite right in picking Britney as the focus of a star that burnt bright and faded fast... it takes one to know one.

You know who I am, Jeff.

Not a word from you about media manipulation of video on 9/11/01. Not a peep. Elevated tritium levels, dying rescue workers from rare blood cancers, zip, nada. Steel and concrete cores of 100 story skyscrapers vaporized and GONE, not a sound about it leaves your mouth.

Not a word on the hundreds of engineers and physicists now calling for open, independent investigations on 9/11/01, no, we get dosed with questionable publicity hounds like Jones at R.I.

Why is THAT, on the anniversary of the Domestic-lead attacks against my country, Jeff? Hmmm?

What I said when I left this post still stands Jeff. It is just more obvious than you realize now.

Go ahead, delete the post. I just really wanted YOU to know we are not hoodwinked anymore.

formerly
themalecheerleader

9/12/2007 07:27:00 AM  
Blogger Jeff said...

"You're quite right in picking Britney as the focus of a star that burnt bright and faded fast... it takes one to know one."

Leave Britney alone!!!

9/12/2007 07:58:00 AM  
Blogger Fletcher said...

And there is a massive subtle media movement (which Geraldo is hot on the heels of) to discredit the 9/11 truth movement already. It does bear some examination and if Jeff does that he is serving truth (oh I know..."truth" is such a dirty word)
The History channel has recently aired a " 9/11 conspiracy theory, fact or fiction?" special which was a completely one sided smear peice on the movement and Jones himself. Public sentiment for the most part here in the US is so far behind what Jones is saying that 80% of the population doesn't even have the vocabulary to grasp what Jones is saying let alone try to discern the fact that he does use a broad brush approach at times.
But Jones, though he could be one of the most galvinizing forces in the movement, still has his die hard supporters because there is a minority who do see the Truth of what he does and continues to do. That's the minority. But if you want so desperately to be obscure, hint at dubious plans within plans within plans wrapped in coded enigmas, just be sure you aren't missing the forest for the trees.

9/12/2007 08:20:00 AM  
Blogger illumgotti said...

Jeff,

More killer, less filler.

Thanks!

9/12/2007 08:33:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

I began doubting the official story about JFK's assassination the day I watched the live coverage of Jack Ruby murdering Oswald in the midst of a crowd of police officers. There was little public access to alternative material in those days - I can't remember exactly, but I think I saw the Zapruder movie before Oliver Stone made it available to everyone - in any case, one look at that film and you knew for certain that the official story was a lie - since, rich from a few short years on planet Earth, I'd begun to notice that objects hit from one direction would invariably react in the opposite direction - a key epiphany for any young man interested in cricket, for example. So the US government was lying. I thought then, and do now, that that realisation should suffice as a signpost for future life choices. I acted on that. As for the who exactly did it (what initials the agency involved operated under), how many were there, what nationality or Mob connections, etc etc, were all fascinating questions, but the central point was surely, and still is, that the elected officials in whom we had been trained to place our entire trust (like those of the various churches)had good reasons to lie to the people they were supposed to support and protect, and had no compunctions about doing so. Then came Vietnam, Martin Luther King, Robert Kennedy and the rest of the 20th century ad infinitum ad nauseam .

9/11 is quite apparently and insultingly obviously cut of the same filthy cloth. It's not even worth listing the incredible anomalies that we are fed by the power-sponsored media, which require that we overlook the most basic rules of logic, physical law and stretch the boundaries of our belief in coincidence beyond the point of idiocy. The governments of the Western world are lying to us - proof in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran - and once again, millions of ordinary human beings are being sacrificed in mass on the greasy altar of greed and power.

It's not easy to understand why people who are apparently so intelligent continue to deny the existence of such glaring evidence, and talk as if the official stories must be true, since those who disbelieve them have so far managed to reach no agreement between themselves. This is the clearest way to drag us into pointless ego-based arguments which waste our creative energy.

Since I don't live in the USA, I know little about Ron Paul, but I respect the fact that, almost alone in the US Senate (with the exception of Cynthia McKinney), he stood against the official lies and the craven cowardice of his colleagues. Alex Jones would possibly be a poor choice for an amusing evening in the pub, but his personality should not invalidate the fact that he is genuinely and courageously standing for individual freedom by providing important information for our perusal. Whether we believe him or not, the research we do and the choices we make are our own responsibility. Who said Aaron Russo was a 'Jew', as if that negated his message? 'Jews' are no more the problem than 'Americans' or 'Brits' are - the power structures that have long since hijacked the force of these nations are the problem. I can't see that there's any possibility of any politician coming to power these days without already having been bought and formatted long since. We can possibly feed a little protein to the lesser of two weevils, assuming that the voting machines operators won't dare fix them too obviously (fat chance..), but little more progress will be made in that direction. And if you're trying to organize a peoples' army, you're already fucked.

What Grid are we truly plugged into? What power do we choose to use? This to me is the central question. The names we use for the creative universe are myriad, and have been used to cause as much shit and bloodshed as anyone can stomach. However, there it is, or rather, here it is. From the instant you accept the deepest truth of our human existence, you have to realise our fraternity with all other humans.

And prayer, whatever prayer suits you, as long as it's a universally valid prayer - and not an elitist declaration - is a true power which anyone can learn to use. It may look like trotting up to toss a thimble of water on a forest fire, it may even look like a cowardly retreat into self-serving smugness - but it's not.

Plus I'm viscerally suspicious of people who feel the need to make effusive statements like 'I'm with Jeff' - that sounds to me like the 92-pound weakling sucking up to Charles Atlas, frankly. PC comes in all shapes and colours, unfortunately. Let us learn first to stand on our own two feet, give thanks for anyone who might help us in the right direction (which is our choice, not a dogma to be followed), and get on with it.

Peace

Fructedor

9/12/2007 08:49:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

I was called a chucklehead on a blog yesterday for my take on "Happy 911". I prolly deserve it but the fact is 911 is being celebrated way beyond it's usefulness. There is nothing left to learn, feel, glean or advance. Alex Jones is the problem, not the solution.

I remember protesting "War" in New York's Central Park back in 1983. The many millions from all walks of life crushed into submission wasted our time and energy with barely a ripple in the public consiousness.

We are property of the state and the state means every square inch of the planet. No thing will change in our lifetime. No improvement in police state technology is required. All is as it should be.

9/12/2007 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger Fletcher said...

Ok ericswan. It's so tempting to take that (realist?) attitude and be all, "game over man! game over!" but seriously, do you really doubt that if there were only MORE, bigger protests against the war that it could scarcely be ignored by the media as it currently is?
I don't know.
But to say Jones is the problem...
I can't agree and I don't see how you could really believe that someone who speaks out against the war (pointing to 9/11 as the pretext of the bait and switch occupation we now have in Iraq)
is really the problem...
I think the apathy that I see all the time here in the US is the problem. No one writes to their congressman, no one starts protest goups, it's not the 60's but it ain't 1984 yet either. You've given up before the fight has really begun.

9/12/2007 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger /thehangedman/ said...

If a neo-nazi happens to push you out the way of a falling brick, would you say later you'd rather have been killed?

Do the damned numbers, Jeff. Thats all it takes. Drop your political obsessing, and do the damned numbers.

Qui Bono comes later. Prove the act first.

How many times does this have to be said?

9/12/2007 10:38:00 AM  
Blogger Rambuncle said...

Go ahead, delete the post. I just really wanted YOU to know we are not hoodwinked anymore.

Can people stop adding comments like this to their post, please. Whatever you may say, your comment is not as revelatory as you think, and you are not as powerful as you want to believe

Plus I'm viscerally suspicious of people who feel the need to make effusive statements like 'I'm with Jeff' - that sounds to me like the 92-pound weakling sucking up to Charles Atlas, frankly.

Would you rather they remain silent than voice their agreement? If someone disagrees with a post, they will have plenty to comment on. If someone agrees, they may not have anything to add, but might still want to make it known that they agree, to help balance out what might feel like overly negative(or wrong, in their opinion) comments. One would like their community to reflect their beliefs; stating agreement with Jeff is a method for moving the community in that direction. It may not be very persuasive, but staying silent is not persuasive at all.

9/12/2007 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger Fletcher said...

mmmm "hoodwinked" interesting...a masonic reference...
what a 'secret' society of free thinkers RI is. lets try to keep it that way.
Jeff, you got your hands full w/ this one and mayhaps, the reaction of vitriol and upstanding for Jones (on 9/11) comes from the synchronistic nature of the date, and your post...well obviously...but seriously Jeff, Americans get a bit worked up on 9/11 and many have come to terms with it in different ways...denial, depression, truth seeking...going to vigils, and now attendance oat them or even attention to 9/11 is waning, mostly because we've come to terms with it?
I haven't.
I'll continue to protest, use my bullhorn, make fliers, write congressmen
9/11 was one of the most evil things perpetrated on this country ever. I ain't forgetting..or giving up the profound search for truth. Maybe I can only connect dots and be 'logical' but it's better than nothing. or silence or worse, dismissing 'truthers' as being deluded by a hitlerian conspiracy...sorry i can't go there. That smacks of disinfo created to discredit the truth movement..

9/12/2007 11:19:00 AM  
Blogger frank said...

So who exactly writes this blog nowadays? It can't be Jeff because no one can be that insightful one day and so completely myopic and "don't look here" the next unless he was replaced.

So just so I am clear on this, being a "patriot" is a bad thing, Israel and Jewish involvement in anything anywhere anytime is always benign or benevolent and shouldn't be discussed unless one wants to do so on Stormfront, Ron Paul is bad for the country, we should give up the right to bear arms, big government should do more good stuff for us and 9/11 conspiracy theorists are the bad guys.

Have I missed anything?

Jesus, how the mighty have fallen.

9/12/2007 12:02:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

9/11 was one of the most evil things perpetrated on this country ever.

Not so. How old are you, anyway? What about the Civil War? 500,000 dead!!....so the Oligarchs from the North and South can reunite a couple of decades later and oppress The Masses as they've always done?

9/11 was just one evil thing in a long stretch of evil things. Slavery and the destruction of Indian Society and Culture and the theft of their land was another....and far greater a tragedy than the vaunted 9/11. Put it in perspective for Christ's Sake.

9/12/2007 01:21:00 PM  
Blogger Tsoldrin said...

Jeff, is this post an attempt to 'go mainstream'? I don't think it will work... once you've sipped from the cup of conspiracy, you can never again dine at the big table. If that weren't so, certainly your good friend Alex Jones would by now have unseated Rush as the dominant conservative radio talk show host eh?

And please, give the anti-semite card a rest for a bit.. Israel is doing just fine, they just got a big raise in their 'allowance' from the U.S. $30 billion to spend on more killing ... whee!

9/12/2007 01:23:00 PM  
Blogger Vemrion said...

I am as confused as many of the folks on here about Jeff's attack on Jones and Paul. While I don't fully trust either one, they are sure as hell a lot better than anything we've got on the left. Kucinich is too timid and Gravel is too old and batty.

Now, I'm with those of you who see the left/right divide as a total fake, a divide&conquer trick they've been using since before Roman times. But, Jeff seems to think this is the case while at the same time thinking everything on the right side is full of shit. I certainly have no love for the right after 6 years of Bush and fascism, but the "left" was not much better, especially since Clinton Democrats are basically "Right Lite".

The fact of the matter is that the right and left both have some good points, but only by synthesizing them together can you find the whole truth (or the whole lie).

I lean to the left simply beacuse the right is in power, but I don't have any hatred for my brothers on the right as long as they are true "patriots" (you know, the ones who believe in liberty, not obedience).

I think that libertarianism is too wide-open to work in practice, but it's better than fascism. And the big social state that jeff loves so much is just fine -- until some fascist gets ahold of it and uses Big Government to terrorize the very people who set it up in the first place. That's what we're seeing happen in America right now. The socialist programs and unbridled spending of the left are now toys for the fascists to play with, kill off, plunder or use as a trojan horse. In many ways, strict libertarianism is a smart idea simply because the big government can be so easily exploited to fuck the poor rather than help them. Giving the government more money and more power seems like a great idea when smart, kind people are in charge. But power changes hands and you have to think ahead. Many fascists don't seem bothered by the fact that Hillary will most likely inherit the new powers GW has accumulated. Why? Maybe they realize she's one of them, but that she has to keep her sheep's clothing disguise on for now.

At any rate, Jeff is certainly welcome to be a minority. He's got a good start since he'll reject anybody who might get us out of this mess and anybody who will keep us in it. That sort of irrational cynicism isn't just annoying; it's based in fear. Fear of being wrong about someone's character, fear of being fooled again, fear of supporting someone who will only betray you later. Jeff's been jilted at the altar one too many times, methinks.

As for me, I think fucking up the present system would be an improvement no matter what. Will Paul get rid of social security? I hope so; nothing else would make people madder. Our citizens are dependent on the government; why should they ever rebel when that free money is just a few days away? I say throw a wrench in the gears. Vote for Ron Paul, vote for Mickey Mouse, vote for Britney Spears, vote for anybody other than the MSM-approved candidates. It honestly can't get any worse unless Hillary or Guiliani wins.

Jeff can jump at shadows all he wants ("OMG, Ron Paul is a secret agent of the Illuminati/Stormfront sent to trick conspiracy theorists and free thinkers!") but I for one would like to upset the applecart, just to see where those apples roll.

9/12/2007 02:01:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

""If we shed enough light, if we make enough noise, if we love our country and our planet, we will finally be able to overthrow the pirates who have hijacked our ship of state, and bring them to justice.""

and from FLETCHER:

""Ok ericswan. It's so tempting to take that (realist?) attitude and be all, "game over man! game over!" but seriously, do you really doubt that if there were only MORE, bigger protests against the war that it could scarcely be ignored by the media as it currently is?
I don't know.""


Well Fletcher, now you know, and for anyone else who still thinks that MORE, bigger protests are an option, maybe you missed THIS, so here goes:




July 19th, 2007:

""In one of his most chilling moves to date against his own citizens, the American War Leader has issued a sweeping order this week outlawing all forms of protest against the Iraq war.

President Bush enacted into US law an 'Executive Order' on July 17th titled "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq", and which says:

"'By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)(IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)(NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,

I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that, due to the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people, it is in the interests of the United States to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 of May 22, 2003, and expanded in Executive Order 13315 of August 28, 2003, and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13350 of July 29, 2004, and Executive Order 13364 of November 29, 2004."'

"(ii) to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, logistical, or technical support for, or goods or services in support of, such an act or acts of violence or any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; or

(b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section include, but are not limited to, (i) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order, and (ii) the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person.

(c) the term "United States person" means any United States citizen, permanent resident alien, entity organized under the laws of the United States or any jurisdiction within the United States (including foreign branches), or any person in the United States.

All agencies of the United States Government are hereby directed to take all appropriate measures within their authority to carry out the provisions of this order and, where appropriate, to advise the Secretary of the Treasury in a timely manner of the measures taken."'




It is curious to note that after the enactment of this new law there has been no protest by any of the other political leaders in the United States, with the exception of the only Muslim member of the United States Congress, Minnesota Democrat Keith Ellison, and who compared President Bush to the Nazi War Leader Adolph Hitler by stating the attacks upon the World Trade Center could be likened to the burning of the Reichstag."

Today, as the United States faces an imminent economic collapse, while at the same time its war bill has reached the staggering amount of $648 billion, one of the last freedoms the American people have had to protest their leaders actions against them, and other peoples in the World, has now been taken away from them, the freedom to speak and write in opposition to what is being done to them.

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.", said the great British writer George Orwell, but, and sadly, liberty has been lost to the once free people of the United States who are no longer allowed to tell their leaders, or each other, what they don't want to hear.

With this being so, the American people should, likewise, contemplate their 'new' future, and as, also, stated best by George Orwell, "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."





What's it say, you ask? The White House will decide if you are in any way "undermining efforts" in Iraq, or related to Iraq or pretty much anything else, the Treasury Department is authorized to seize your money, property, stocks, etc.

Although good in overall notion (stop terrorist funding), the ridiculously broad language in this order takes the 5th amendment, and flushes it down the toilet. As an example, if it appears that if you, say, donate to a charity that the Bush administration determines, without any proof, is trying to undermine the Iraqi government, all of your assets can be frozen. No due process, do not pass go.

The order permits the targeting of those who aid someone else whose assets have been blocked under the order -- wittingly or not. And under Section Five, the government does not have to disclose which organizations are subject to having their assets frozen:

"For those persons whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that, because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures to be taken pursuant to this order would render these measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that for these measures to be effective in addressing the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 and expanded in Executive Order 13315, there need be no prior notice of a listing or determination made pursuant to section 1(a) of this order."


The scope of the order has raised civil-liberties concerns. "Certainly it is highly constitutionally questionable to empower the government to destroy someone economically without giving notice," says Bruce Fein, a Justice Department official in the Reagan administration. "This is so sweeping it's staggering. I've never seen anything so broad that it expands beyond terrorism, beyond seeking to use violence or the threat of violence to cower or intimidate a population. This covers stabilization in Iraq. I suppose you could issue an executive order about stabilization in Afghanistan as well. And it goes beyond even attempting violence, to cover those who pose 'a significant risk' of violence. Suppose Congress passed a law saying you've committed a crime if there's significant risk that you might commit a crime."

How does the Secretary of the Treasury feel about a t-shirt that says, 'Stop the War?' Is such a T-shirt considered destabilizing?""



(Lately, I have been wondering how long we will be able to express ourselve here on RI.)

Take a moment and thank Jeff for all he has contributed, whether, you agree with all that he writes or not.

CHEERS!

9/12/2007 02:50:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Fascinating responses, all around. I could well be wrong about this, but it seems to me that Jeff’s instincts were quite nicely restated in this “I want to be a minority” post—to me, it’s about the necessity of making distinctions. Mass movements & populist fervor tend the opposite way, leaving many of the most important connections and—worst of all—the deeper implications of any given policy or stance paved under the emotional groundswell that drives them.

The scariest part of this phenomenon is how successful it is in dividing us even further into separate camps, when our interests are actually identical. There is a tremendous irony here. Jeff is warning us against Big Tent, emotionally charged populism and one-size-fits-all prescriptions…and yet there is a very simple solution which would result in equality without tyranny.

The key is in following the argument to its logical conclusion. This is where all the confusion comes in--those who don't understand why some of us don't trust Paul & Jones and the other "saviors".

In Ron Paul’s case, it’s all about blowback. (I know, I’m leaving out all the social policy stuff, but it reconnects—like everything else further down the line, as you follow the argument.) Like all good swindles and half-truths, Paul’s embrace of blowback sounds good, on the surface, but it starts leaking all kinds of water very soon after launching. This is because it’s a very, very limited—Jeff called it CIA-sponsored—version of that concept. Ron Paul is not William Blum. (And neither is Alex Jones, obviously, for those who are still enamored of the courageous horn-blower.)

Paul isn’t Chalmers Johnson, either, and where Blum & Johnson go in following blowback to where it ultimately leads is a very different place altogether. Our friend Dr. Bombay—with whom I almost always agree on topics we discuss here—writes, somewhat out of frustration, it seems: if the US can't handle the simple task of securing its borders then it doesn't really deserve to be called a nation.

Now, the first question you’ve got to ask about this statement is why all those Mexicans, Haitians, well, you name it, want to “get in”? Why is it that America is the richest country on earth? Is it coincidental that it’s also the worst among all the developed countries in how it treats its poorest citizens? How about the unparalleled income disparity?

I hope you can see where I’m going with this.

“Patriots” and concerned citizens of all stripes can talk all they want about the much-hyped American constitution and what a shame it is that BushCo has seen fit to transmute this once sacred gaurantor of liberty into so much White House toilet paper…but could we please drop the propaganda slogans about the Land of Unlimited Possibility long enough to recognize that America has always been a land ruled small groups of plutocrats who doled out “opportunity” directly in accordance with how much it benefitted them, not the recipients of this unprecendented largesse?

The only thing that has really distunguished the American Empire from any other was a concentrated effort to disguise the workings of power behind flowery, even hypocritical euphemisms. The slogans of American Democracy are the most egalitarian of any allegedly representative government on the planet (“all men are created equal, freedom & justice for all,” etc, etc) and yet in no other “democratic” country is there a wider divide between the haves & have nots.

How strange that the country which was supposedly formed over taxation without representation and the stagnant social order of the European aristocracies would turn out to have a politcal system which is in no way accountable or responsive to the common man and which ensures that the hereditary wealth of the highest classes would remain sancrosanct. (Or did you think that those “death taxes” applied to your measely life savings?)

Who does Mr. Paul think ordered all those interventions that have so turned the world against us? Maybe it would make things a little more obvious if the group running the show was called the industrial-military complex. First billing does kind of tell you something.

The next part of the blowback lesson is even harder for most folks to accept—the military adventures, the kidnappings & assassinations & subversions of elections, etc, are all just the tip of the iceberg. The real full spectrum dominance is in the workings of the “truly free Free Market” that Ron Paul wants to free even further. (I wonder how we might really do that? I suppose we could take off the gloves a little more, say reintroduce slavery and indentured servitude…oh, that’s right! We already have credit reports and the prison economy…)

George Kennan laid it all our for us in the aftermath of the Good War (or was it the Best War?) when he said that one day those beyond the pale of American citizenship would rise up (wise up?) and ask, “WTF? How come 5% of the world gets half the resources, creates a third of the pollution, and controls the rest of the world through it’s market system and military bullying?”

His advice? Take the gloves even further off: dispense with all the talk about human rights and democracy and just nuke the ungrateful brown bastards (Curtis LeMay added “back to the Stone Age” for further clarification.)

American Interests must be protected at all costs—surely Mr. Paul understands this. Surely this is why he wants to remove the few remaining scraps of public oversight into Corporate Affairs…but didn’t the Little Corporal end up turning on his corporate backers, forcing their bottom line to match the interests of the State once they got him past the dying old general with the walrus mustache and the pointed hat?

(Not that I’m making any parallels here, mind you. Seems to me that IG Farben and the Boys came through it all just fine anyway…I wonder if those corporations should be emanicipated, too, or just the American ones...wait, where do we draw that line again?)

So here’s a novel suggestion: Let’s all bone up on blowback, see where it takes us without conditions, preconceptions or ulterior motives. But we already know, don’t we? The Empire never did die at all.


Maybe we should just line up all those troublemaking anarchists and would-be decentralizers of power and shoot them just like we did a hundred years ago—who can question how far that’s got us? Or, we could engage in conspiracy thinking in order not to address the conspiracy of power that has nothing to do with how many points are in a star…or how a few buildings fell over when millions have been killed and billions enslaved in our names as we slept, apparently, content.

Oh, yeah. That’s not as sexy as CT & Brittney.

9/12/2007 03:11:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

WHEN Will it become clear that NO ONE is going to get us out of the mess???????????

THAT is what being the minority is about.

As George Carlin says: "The OWNERS already OWN you, the politicians, the banks, EVERYTHING...and they don't give a fuch about you!!!!They don't CARE about you!! All THEY want is obedient workers. It's a big club and you and I aren't in it!"

So maybe, Jeff is saying that jumping on anyone's bandwagon, waiting for that miracle candidate or truth seeker to "lead" us onward and upward, does not serve us.

Those of us who have been the minority most of our lives know it ain't that much fun, but at least we have some understanding of our true relationship to humanity and to the Earth. And more often than not, have peace of mind, no matter what feast of bullshit we are being fed.

Am I the only one who thinks that Britney never had much talent??Maybe she finally realized that and that's why she self-destructed??

Jeff, (Leave Britney Alone) was not the best video to see first thing in the morning....so sad..!! but spot on, as they say.

9/12/2007 03:54:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

IC:

I couldnt't let your last comment go without noticing how brilliant you are sometimes.

have a nice day?

9/12/2007 04:06:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Want has nothing to do with it....or more to the point, want is irrelevant. I am the minority, whether I want it, or like it, or not.

Fuck 9/11.

9/12/2007 05:08:00 PM  
Blogger illumigotti said...

What we're gonna do right here is go back…way back:
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-911.html

9/12/2007 05:17:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.", said the great British writer George Orwell


Surrender, the Arabs say, "He who speaks the truth should have one foot in the stirrup."

The Armenian equivalent is, "Give a
horse to him who tells the truth that he may escape."

I'm sure every culture has an equal warning for truth tellers.

As "they" say, "Ain't nothing new under the sun."

9/12/2007 05:50:00 PM  
Blogger Wesley said...

Jeff,

Brilliant post, and keep ignoring the trolls. I'll stand outside the tent with you anytime.

P.S. I tried to subpoena the minutes from the VMA producers' meeting, but they told me they were invoking executive privilege and refused to release them.

9/12/2007 06:41:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

By: Hal Turner

""Three weeks ago, I published a brief snippet on the front page of my web site reporting the governments of the US Canada and Mexico are conspiring in secret to merge the three nations into a new entity called the North American Union.

There has been much talk of this on various internet blogs for over a year. Most of those blogs have been smeared as "conspiracy theorists" and have been largely ignored by the main stream.

What prompted my interest in the issue was money: I was sent professional images of actual AMERO coins by someone in the US Treasury! The person included a note saying they like my radio show and are frightened by what's been going on in secret within our government.

This Treasury Department person was outraged that our country was beginning to coin money as part of a merger that would do away with our country, via a merger the American public knew nothing about!

When I got the professional images of the AMERO coin, I was finally intrigued enough to make mention of it on my web site. This story about AMERO coins would fit my niche of breaking news, so I ran a snippet of a story.

As part of my report, I included the professional images sent to me by the Treasury person.


He also mentioned that very pricey "Collector Proofs" of the coins were also being Minted in Silver and Gold, and I posted an image of one such Silver Proof.


The story went on to say that the US Government has intentionally overspent itself for the purpose of irreversibly Bankrupting the country. The idea is that they will drive the country into economic failure, then when millions of Americans are panicking at the prospect, offer them a solution of merging the three countries as "the only possible way" to avoid losing everything.

They will force Canada into the merger by telling them the US currency they hold and rely upon will be worthless and the only way Canada can even hope to salvage any of the funds is to join the NAU.

They will sell it to the Mexican people by saying it will instantly improve their buying-power and quality of life.

In reality, the value of the US and Canadian dollars will be significantly reduced to counter the worthless peso being absorbed. People in the US and Canada will suffer great financial loss while Mexicans will see significant gain. In the meantime, the financial elite and the politicians they own will make out like bandits!

I published the images and the small story and went to bed. I had no idea what my little story would do.

Within a matter of hours, there was a full blown effort to discredit my story and the images as fake. There was intense effort to claim the whole idea of these coins was a fantasy and there was absolutely no truth to them whatsoever. That effort to "spin" the story out of existence worked. Folks quickly lost interest. I did not.

I reached out to the person in the Treasury who first alerted me to the coins. That person told me "The shit hit the fan around here when your story ran." The person went on to say "They told everyone in all the Mints that anyone revealing information about the AMERO would be fired and perhaps even criminally prosecuted for endangering national security." I told the Treasury person that the only way anyone might believe this is happening, is for me to actually get one of the coins. The Treasury guy balked. He said "there's no way to get one without stealing it."

I though about that for a moment. . . . . then decided that if my government is concealing the actual Minting of coins for a new sovereign entity which may end up with power over me, but which I haven't been told about, then that government deserves whatever gets done to it.

I told the Treasury person to get me an Amero by any means necessary - even if that meant stealing it. The Treasury person said it would require them to think about for awhile and if it could be done, I would get one in the mail. I waited. And waited. Frankly, after about three weeks, I lost track of the story -- until today. A real AMERO coin arrived at my home in the mail this afternoon.

The real thing arrives!

Today, I received a single 20 AMERO coin in the mail. A real coin. Real metal, really MINTED by the US Mint in Denver, CO. The proof that it is being Minted in Denver is that the coin is stamped with the Mint Identity letter "D" on the bottom right of the side with the eagle just like regular US coins already in circulation today! The simple truth is, the coins are real.

The plan to merge the US, Canada and Mexico is real. Our government is lying about it and the fact they are minting money at the Denver Mint bearing the name of Union of North America is proof.

So America, Canada and Mexico, our governments are betraying us and planning to merge our countries without our knowledge or consent, or by financial disaster they bring-on intentionally. What are we going to do about it?

For my part, the Second Amendment comes to mind.""





I saw a photo of this coin. The only word stamped on it: LIBERTY

9/12/2007 06:42:00 PM  
Blogger ELFIS said...

Ron Paul Brings People Together

Meetup organizer talks about Ron Paul in South Carolina.

9/12/2007 06:54:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

SHRUB:

I think I figured out I was the minority when I was around 5 yrs old.

I don't remember ever wanting it either,...irrelevant, as you say.

Fuck 9/11!!!

(Twice you've made me laugh outloud today....thanks)

9/12/2007 06:54:00 PM  
Blogger ELFIS said...

... meanwhile ...

BreakForNews: Steven Hertzberg, the Election Science Institute, and RonPaulOnline.com

9/12/2007 06:55:00 PM  
Blogger ELFIS said...

... more meanwhile ...

Fintan Dunne Investigating Steven Hertzberg of Election Science Institute and Ron Paul Online?

9/12/2007 06:55:00 PM  
Blogger Qlipoth said...

“I want to be a minority”

Jeff, you're certainly the first socialist I've ever heard say that. That's not socialism; it's Hitchensite Contrarianism.

And it's doubly painful to see you conclude a post by quoting the shameless Bono-ite manglers of 'Working-Class Hero'.

9/12/2007 07:32:00 PM  
Blogger project_falcon said...

Mark, in your post of 9/12/2007 5:27AM, you were absolutely brillant! your posts are the reason I keep coming back to RI. I enjoy jeff's posts, but he's got himself knotted up about 9/11 not being an inside job, or rather the grim possibility that it is an inside job.

I also pray, visualize that nothing happens in the next week. Hope for the best, be prepared for the worst.

anyway, you connected a few dots regarding the murder of (R-OHIO) Rep Gillmor who was in the process of investigating the billions of dollars (nearly $5billion worth) of puts and options being placed on the stock market that expire Sept 21st and will pay off only if the stockmarket declines from 30 to 50% correction. Yes I agree that the neocons must have threatened Congress and the Senate not to say anything about their nasty plans to create some "incident" that will trigger war with Iran and then martial law. This must be why there is a deafening silence by lawmakers not to discuss a word about the little nuclear warhead mixup or the $5billion worth of puts/options that have been placed on the stock market similar to the week before 9/11 except there is actually much more at stake this time around.

Thank your for this, because I have been concerned about the nasty incident regarding those nuclear warheads that got accidentally loaded onto a B-52. As a result of this mistake being caught, the entire US air force's flights will be grounded for Fri, Sept 14th, which appears to me to be an open advertised invitation that we have no security this Fri.

you'll find this of interest:

Someone, operating under a special chain of command within the United States Air Force, just stole a nuclear weapon.

by Chuck Simpson

click on link http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread302187/pg1 for full article.

Conclusion

Six nuclear weapons disappeared from Minot AFB in North Dakota.

Five nuclear weapons were discovered at Barksdale AFB in Louisiana.

Which leads to my chilling conclusion:

Someone, operating under a special chain of command within the United States Air Force, just stole a nuclear weapon.

here's another chilling article on a related subject:

Will the U.S. Attack Iran Before September 21? - Are CIA Front Companies Investing $4.5 Billion to Profit from attacking Iran?

http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-57.htm

By Michael E. Salla, Ph.D.

There has been much recent speculation that the Bush administration is about to authorize a massive preemptive aerial assault against Iran. According to Alexis Debat, a national security expert, the Pentagon has prepared for airstrikes against 1,200 targets in Iran that would in three days destroy Iran's military infrastructure (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2369001.ece ). Such an assault has been long in preparation and was recently fully completed according to a Navy whistleblower currently serving on a U.S. aircraft carrier. The whistleblower, a female officer, said that "all the targets have been chosen, prioritized, and tasked to specific aircraft, bases, carriers, missile cruisers and so forth" (see: http://rense.com/general78/we.htm ). Asked why she would risk her career to disclose such sensitive information, she replied that most Naval officers are opposed to the strike but are ignored by more senior officials and the Bush administration.

What gives these reports of an imminent attack against Iran greater credibility is an August 2007 purchases of almost 4.5 billion dollars in particular type of stock called 'put options' and 'call options' which are based on a dramatic shift in the U.S. stock market (see: http://tinyurl.com/yw8q4f ). Essentially, a "put option" is where an investor speculates that the market will drop dramatically, say 30-50%, whereas a "call option" is where the investor bets particular stocks will rise just as dramatically. If the stock fails to dramatically shift either up or down by September 21, then the investors stand to lose much from their investment. Such an investment is very unusual and has many market analysts puzzled as to why someone would risk such a large sum unless they had some insider information.

A similar stock market event happened in the weeks before 911 when anonymous investors made great profits when they successfully 'predicted' a dramatic drop in airline and insurances stocks, while also 'predicting' dramatic increases in stocks of corporations producing military armaments (see: http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html ). The investments were so suspicious that they became subject to an insider trading investigation by U.S. Securities Exchange Commission (SEC) but the no one was ever identified or charged. This was despite a determined effort by the SEC to find who was behind the mysterious investments.

The parallels with 'put" and "call option" purchases just before 911 has led to much speculation that the recent $4.5 billion investment is based on insider knowledge of another 911 event before September 21. This has led to speculation that a catastrophic event is about to occur in the U.S. Another explanation for a dramatic shift in the stock market is that China will desert the US currency leading to a collapse in the US dollar. Both explanations would essentially lead to a collapse in some U.S. stocks, while other stocks would rise.

9/12/2007 09:45:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

IC,
I have no problem with anyone
wanting to immigrate to the U.S.,
in fact the U.S already allows up
to 4 million people a year to
enter the country. That figure - 4
million - is more people than the
rest of the world COMBINED allows
to immigrate to their respective
countries. Ask Jeff how difficult it
is to immigrate to Canada. Illegal
immigration is another story, and
it has nothing to do with racism.
In fact Ceasar Chavez was one of the biggest critics of illegal immigration. All it does is drive
down the wages being paid to the
workers already in the U.S.
I had tuberculosis when I was a kid. I don't want to contract it
again, but if the borders are wide
open who is checking to see if
anyone coming in has it? Think
about this the next time you take
public transportation.

Fructedor,
I believe that I was the person who mentioned that Aaron
Russo was Jewish. But if you
re-read my post you will understand
that it was a POSITIVE reference
regarding the relationship between Aaron and Ron Paul.

I have my own Dylan quote I'd like
to throw out there..

"Let us stop talking falsely now,
The hours getting late..."

9/12/2007 11:29:00 PM  
Blogger Nicholas66 said...

The post by surrender quoting Hal Turner above seems designed to illustrate the problem Jeff describes: blind populism plus racism plus hysteria, with no regard for facts if they don't fit into a simple scheme.

Even if the cause is sometimes something I agree with in theory, like 9/11 truth, I still don't want to accept the radioactive baggage that comes with it.

I say all this because Turner is completely full of bullshit, as a few minutes of research will reveal.

Turner's page on the amero:
http://www.halturnershow.com/AmeroCoinArrives.html

- starts splendidly as follows: "The owners and publishers of Snopes.com are well known jews who would lie at the drop of a hat to protect their tribe. Since it is jew bankers who have the most to gain by perpetrating the AMERO switch outlined in the story below, the kikes at Snopes have every reason to spin this story; to help their rich jew pals deceive!"

Asshole.

Here's the snopes page that demolishes him:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/amero.asp

They point out that the amero coins Turner received are part of a fantasy series put out by Designs Computed:
http://www.designscomputed.com/coins/amero.html

In other words, Turner got punked. He was sent a fantasy coin and suckered into working it into his construct.

In the style typical of the radio loudmouth breed, he doesn't acknowledge the error, but goes doubly ballistic after he is shown wrong.

Further illustrating his idiocy:

"All those who claimed these were "fantasy" coins can now explain why anyone in their right mind would spend Millions of dollars to create the rare and expensive professional dies and plates necessary for minting coins that will not be issued?"

It costs millions to create plates for minting coins?

Wow, that must cut into the Franklin Mint's profit margins!

9/12/2007 11:34:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

Oh yeah,
If half the shit I'm hearing
is true, it wouldn't hurt to have
a weeks worth of canned food and
water on hand.. and don't forget
a light source..

9/12/2007 11:40:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Our Mr. Daniel Carr, who claims that 'his Amero fantasy coins are fake' and that Hal Turner was spoofed, is not so willing to admit that his 'fantasy designs' in the past have BECOME official designs for the U.S. Mint.

Full circle fantasy into reality?

From his own webpage:


Daniel Carr's coin resume:

Coin Design History and Resume for Daniel Carr

Daniel Carr received a B.S. degree in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Colorado in 1982. He also studied computer graphics and art extensively. He wrote his own digital sculpting computer software which he uses in an innovative process to create coins, medals, and tokens.

* He submitted six designs in a national open design competition for the US Mint's 1993 WWII commemorative coins.

* He proposed Apollo Astronaut designs for the new small-size "golden" dollar coin. The designs were featured on the front page of Coin World on two separate occasions (March 30, 1998 and April 13, 1998 issues).

* He applied for, and was granted, the opportunity to make a presentation at the Dollar Coin Advisory Committee meeting in Philadelphia in 1999. The purpose of the meeting was to decide what woman to portray on the new small-size "golden" dollar. His designs and proposal for Bessie Coleman was tied for second place in the committee's voting behind Sacagawea.

* He created the only unsolicited works to be accepted in the limited invitational design competition for the Sacagawea dollar.

* Daniel Carr's Eagle design was one of seven official US Mint finalists for the Sacagawea dollar reverse.

* He submitted six designs for the Capitol Visitor's Center commemorative coins in the US Mint's limited invitational design competition.

* He was invited by the US Mint to submit designs for all five of the 2001 state quarters. His New York and Rhode Island designs won the competition, and they were used on the actual coins.

* His Rhode Island quarter design was named as the best "trade" (circulating) coin in the world by an international panel of judges for World Coin News' 2001 COTY (Coin Of The Year) awards. It is the ONLY state quarter (so far) to receive such an award.

* In on-line internet polls conducted by Coin World and others, the Rhode Island and New York quarter designs consistently rate among the best of the State Quarter program.

* The state of Maine chose Daniel Carr's design for their quarter in a design contest attracting about 200 entries. The US Mint's final Maine quarter design was based upon this concept.

* An entry by Daniel Carr was, at one point, one of 13 finalists for the Wisconsin state quarter design, out of 5700 entrants.

* An entry by Daniel Carr was one of 10 finalists for the Florida state quarter out of 5000 submissions.

* An entry by Daniel Carr in the official California state quarter design contest was one of 20 finalists, out of over 8000 entries.

* A design by Daniel Carr honoring the 10th Mountain Division was submitted to Colorado and was the basis for one of the five finalists for the Colorado state quarter.

* He has also submitted state quarter designs directly to the following states: Michigan, Texas, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Oregon, and Nevada.

* Daniel Carr was commissioned to design the artwork for fantasy Puerto Rico and Washington DC "state" quarters, along with the controversial "Freedom Tower Silver Dollar" which was marketed by National Collectors Mint (NCM). He does not endorse the Freedom Tower coin.

* He designed the 2004, 2005, and 2006 Gold Pass ski medals for Colorado Ski Country USA.

* His entry in the contest to design the 2006 annual Token and Medal Society (TAMS) medal was chosen as the winner and was used for the medal.

* Daniel Carr's entry in the contest to design the 2006 annual International Society of Silver Art Collectors (IASAC) medal was chosen as the winner.

http://www.designscomputed.com/coins/resume.html

So what is live and fake anymore, Mr. Carr? When your 'fakes' have become real in the past, with U.S. Mint even inviting you to submit official designs (at least according to him).

When Mr. Carr says, "nah, it's just my fantasy design," he's probably telling the truth--and his fantasies have been made real by the U.S. Mint in the past.

9/13/2007 12:40:00 AM  
Blogger Jeff said...

"The post by surrender quoting Hal Turner above seems designed to illustrate the problem Jeff describes: blind populism plus racism plus hysteria, with no regard for facts if they don't fit into a simple scheme."

Thanks for saying what I was about to, Nicholas66.

I'm seeing a lot of links to Turner around the net lately, and from people who aren't his natural audience and presumably don't know what the hell he's about.

9/13/2007 12:52:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Hey Doc, here's something to watch while you're packing up the granola bars, beef-jerky & Beefeaters.

http://www.conelrad.com/daisy/video.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBaUwI0wuw4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oSAuqsItFQ&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB_iV9QVcvs&mode=related&search=


Just make sure ya don't forget the Duct Tape & plastic sheeting.

My bet is that the 14th will pass & the 21st will pass & no mushroom clouds will jut up on the horizon.

I wonder if Hal will resign in disgrace along will all the other prophets of doom?

Maybe he'll take his photos of cross-eyed toe sucking black guys off to some rustic cabin in the Rockies to live out his last days crippled by shame.

But probably not.

After all, 'When Prophecy Fails' the prophets just amp up the prophesies.


Here's some required reading for fear-mongering internet haruspex:

http://www.edsanders.com/chickenlittle/

http://www.storyarts.org/library/aesops/stories/boy.html

Because if 1/2 of what I've read were true, we'd all be in a concentration camp or just an ashy cloud on the horizon by now.

It's funny how a little thing like being wrong never seems to deter the little prophets who can't.

Chug-a-chug-a-chug-chug-Armageddon!


Chug-a-chug-a-chug-chug-Apocalypse!

9/13/2007 02:32:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Yes Dr. Bombay - my apologies, I was a little more crabby than attentive there.

Rambuncle - OK - my point was about the mistake of defining oneself by association with another. But I was probably unfair to CA Dupin too.

9/13/2007 05:43:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Surrender..You might have stopped scrolling down the Turner page at the toe sucker. Jeff's right. Those of us not familiar with Turner's work should have curtailed our exuberance that the end of this world (as we know it) was about to overtake the 911 debate. But don't think for one minute, that this was a spoof. Some people are making big money and the proof in the pudding is $80 a barrel.

9/13/2007 07:45:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Observations from on the ground;

From josey wales....

“People getting attacked by sharks know what is happening but it really does not help much unless they get out of the water.”

The water is our unconsciousness and is maintained by a psychical conditioning system that is not up to the task of integrating sub-conscious elements into our conscious models. To get out of the water we need new ways to model reality.

My lefty friends for the most part do not do well thinking outside the box. Para-politics contains no substance for them. My right leaning in-laws, while at first in total denial, are now better able to grasp that 911 was manufactured as one step toward achieving larger objectives. The ‘Lefties’ seem inclined to chalk it up to typical Republican stupidity, no need for conspiracies. The ‘Righties’, having their sense of honor insulted, seem more inclined to confront inconsistencies in the official CT. I dare say, this is why RP gets better traction than does DK. This may also explain the rejection of lefty pretences by many young people at the Alex Jones function. (Thanks free for your reporting) We will do ourselves more favors by looking for the negative polarity expressions within our own preferred ideology,(Think ADL) rather than taking the easy option of pinning negativity on the ideology that your pretences do not validate.

c.a.dupin....

“If you read his blog or see Jeff's left of center positions within the RI forum, how can you be shocked about his stance on Paul or Jones?”

And..

“Hell, if you guys leave, someone might actually take Jeff's work seriously.

FU, freepers.”

What a hoot, in case you have not noticed c.a., most people here carry on with apolitical pretences. And I think Jeff has enough sense and depth of character to want his blog to be more than another lefty circle-jerk.

Waffletron, -Thank-you

Josey to c.a.

“Your little tirade is what keeps freedom loving people who may be right of center from joining your ranks in the cause of liberty. I suppose some on the Left just can not accept the notion that anyone on the right could love freedom and liberty too or have pure motives. I think it should be a testimony to our intellectual integrity and vigor that so-called right wingers read and contribute to this blog and can find common ground on many subjects. You really have no idea how far some of us have had to come and how many friends and fellow travelers we have given up to support many of the ideas this blog espouses.”

Hey c.a., lets all try harder to place higher value on truth than on ideology. Josey is trying; how about you meet him half way.

But Josey, do more research on the Birchers. Nasty stuff in the Philippines, others know the details, but at any rate, they were a bit too well connected.

Thanks mark, good to see you back. Huh, I had not heard of the Gillmor death before, fancy that.

Thanks ben.

Thanks fructedor

Vemrion said...

“The fact of the matter is that the right and left both have some good points, but only by synthesizing them together can you find the whole truth (or the whole lie).”

Yes.

9/13/2007 08:06:00 AM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

Just Another Richard,
Beefeaters? Now I AM
insulted. Actually Richard I live
in Hurricane alley and I always
have a fresh stock of supplies on
hand this time of year, especially
10 or 12 gallons of water. It beats
drinking the water out of your toilet
tank I can assure you. Just ask
those folks in New Orleans.
Now ..For the rest of you...

9/13/2007 10:58:00 AM  
Blogger Josey Wales said...

Sounder,
Thanks for your insight and perspective.

This whole 'right versus left' paradigm really has no meaning in our current state of affairs. Take a look www.Antiwar.com which interestingly enough is not from a 'liberal' perspective.
Right and Left are just wings on the same bird of prey. Unfortunately we are the ‘prey’!

Of course, the PTB play us for fools and pretend to be ‘conservative’ or ‘liberal’. Then they all fly out to the Bohemian Grove and laugh it up while they figure out new ways to steal what little we have left and maintain their power.

9/13/2007 11:13:00 AM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Interesting....
I didn't know
Rhode Island was
in Hurricane Alley.
You learn something
new every day,
I suppose.

9/13/2007 11:13:00 AM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Right and Left are just wings on the same bird

Indeed, but that doesn't mean there aren't significant ideological differences between those who lean towards a socialist model and those who lean towards a libertarina model...and the whole host of people in between. Sure, the Oligarchs use those differences to maintain their power, but it doesn't mean the differences aren't legitimate.

9/13/2007 11:18:00 AM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

Oh yeah...
Hal Turner's site is full of that
"White Power" crap, but the story
about the "nukes" being moved is
for real. It was reported by The
Town Talk newspaper out of Alexandria
Louisiana. Three different sources
confirmed the story. It seems there
are elements of the military that
are trying to warn us about the
possible use of "nukes" by Dubya,
whether it be in Iran..or else where.

9/13/2007 11:25:00 AM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

Well Hell,
There is A LOT of shit you
don't know Scrub. I think I have proven that already. But for the rest of you..Google the hurricane of 1938,
or 1954, or 1991..yeah 1991..The
Perfect Storm..

9/13/2007 11:32:00 AM  
Blogger Fletcher said...

The synthesis of right and left
the good points.
how interesting...
the Rosicrucian concept was that Freemasonry and Catholisism should be viewed as an alchemical process of the synthesis of humanity with the aid of higher beings...Hiram Abiff, Jesus, enlightened ones...whomever.
And just as in the false(?) left/right paradigm, the real "evolution" of mankind lies with the individual or the synthesis of group advantages...I don't claim to really understand the answer or really imagine that there IS an answer...Vril force...huh?
but "Fuck 9/11"??
Maybe i missed your humor.
I know the evidence was burried, and the whole issue is such a mess a horrible, disgusting mess. There are so many disinfo merchants and in the rush to fugure out what happened and the emotionalism of Americans caused many to jump to some wild conclusions and miss the obvious things that were going on hidden in plane view...or sight..ahem.
And Shrubageddon...buddy, i said ONE of the most evil things ever. Obviously I don't think it was THE most evil thing ever.
wow. harsh dude.
Why would you feel the need to personally attack me by insinuating I am some kid? "how old are you?"
I'm kind of wondering the same about you.

9/13/2007 11:32:00 AM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Well Hell,
There is A LOT of shit you
don't know Scrub. I think I have proven that already. But for the rest of you..Google the hurricane of 1938,
or 1954, or 1991..yeah 1991..The
Perfect Storm..


The only thing you have proven is that you're an addict who identifies with racists and bigots.

In regards to the rest of your comment....damn, you're funny, and you don't even know it...which makes it that much more hilarious. Rhode Island doesn't come to mind when one thinks of Hurricanes, regardless of the few storms that have reached that area.

Make sure you stock up on the Smirnoff and Bud in addition to the water. Lord knows you couldn't make it long without those two life-sustaining staples.

9/13/2007 11:46:00 AM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

Fletcher,
I think I would have to
agree with you about 9/11. TBTB
are using the false flag of 9/11
as a pretext to fight the never
ending "war on terror", and have
brought us to the brink of World
War Three with the possible use of
nukes. I don't believe 1 billion
Muslims will stand idly by while
the U.S. attacks Iran without
provocation. So yeah..9/11 has the
potential to be the catalyst to
cause more death and destruction
than any other event in recent
human history.

9/13/2007 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

i said ONE of the most evil things ever.

Nope...it doesn't even qualify as one of the most evil.

And for the record, Fletch, I believe 9/11 was an inside job....I have since 2001, but I refuse to worship at the alter of that hypnotic event.

If you want to get worked up about something, get worked up over the fact that 30,000 children a day die of starvation. 9/11 is a non-existent blip in comparison to that evil.

9/13/2007 11:57:00 AM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

Scrub!!
I have finally figured it out!
You LIKE getting spanked!!

GOOD DAY SIR!!

9/13/2007 12:00:00 PM  
Blogger Fletcher said...

... Shrubaggedon..... Thanks for trying to go out of your way to be captain obvious.
Do you honestly think I didn't know about starvation?

But that wasn't what we were talking about. If you want to rate 9/11 on a scale of severity in terms of world history and other things...OK it wasn't THAT bad... the actual event itself of the planes hitting buildings. Sorry for going deeper.
Dr. Bombay: Exactly my point. thank you. well said.

9/13/2007 01:04:00 PM  
Blogger et in Arcadia ego Eve said...

Jeff - thank you...nothing made sense to me until I watched "Leave Britney Alone" - but then suddenly EVERYTHING made sense. Chris Crocker is clearly the kidnapped gay child of famed baker, Betty Crocker.

I also enjoyed Chris Crocker's commentary on why gays shouldn't be in the army....not so much for his political insights but more for the fabulous make up tips.

Dr. Bombay - I think you are on to something with the whole Shrub/spanking thing.

9/13/2007 01:30:00 PM  
Blogger Steve McClaren said...

Yeah, that's all well and good, but what was I right to bring Bently back into the England fold so soon?

9/13/2007 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

Well, I guess I will refrain from ever quoting Hal Turner again.

I knew nothing about him until I received an e-mail from my friend with the article.

I was a bit surprised that the response focused on the proof of the existence of the AMERO coin, instead of the "plan" for the North American Union. I can't remember where I read recently that Canadians are getting wind of this and are protesting, but don't seem to have faith that their government will hear them either.

As far a "fuck 9/11" we have spent way too much energy focusing on an event that even though we may never learn the truth, intuitively we know why it happened.

So, SHRUB, the event of 9/11 took the lives of 3000 people 6 years ago and today how many Iraqi and Afghanistan women and children, and other innocent citizens have died this week?? And how much damage has been done to the environment of these countries???
At least, there is someone here who is conscious of the 30,000 children who die EVERY DAY of starvation.

Many of those children live in the country where I live. Yet, the US is building a new multi- billion dollar Embassy complex and spending 1.2 billion for the UN "peacekeepers", who plan to be here for at least 10 years, who ride around in their tanks "observing", while kidnappings, home invasions, political murders, wide spread corruption and starvation continue without interruption. In fact, kidnappings and such began to happen AFTER they arrived. Well, I can only intuit that this is all happening because of Haiti's stategic location to the Windward Passage, is a major drug port,and very close to "GITMO" in Cuba. But what do I know.




So, imagine that tomorrow in the news there is undeniable PROOF that 9/11 was an inside job....
And in two years Americans are all using AMEROs since the greenback "in God We Trust", that has no value, is replaced by the "gold" coin with "LIBERTY" stamped on it???

Would we thank people like Jones and Turner for trying to warn us??

I doubt it.

So how about David Livingstone? I have been reading his online book ILUMINATI-TERRORISM.

I would challenge Dr. Bombay, our resident historian, to sink his teeth into that one!!!

CHEERS!

9/13/2007 02:26:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Dr. Bombay,

I understand your concerns--they're real, after all--but how things got to this state are central to making decisions on where to go from here. I'm really quite confused as to how the same people who've looked into the dark underbelly of history and seen the dirty deals done in the inexorable march of empire can now advocate formally turning over the reins of control to those same agents & entitities who brought us to this pass in the first place.

It's strangely fitting that we should be having this sidereal into the homogenization of North America at the same time that we're discussing the immigration issue. Maybe it's all part of the same process. Here's an interesting look at the roots of our manifest corporate destiny from a contemporaneous (1830s) artist's perspective: Thomas Cole's five-part series of paintings called The Course of Empire. If you click on the thumbnails and follow the Wiki explication of the themes & elements of the paintings, it soon becomes clear that Thoreau wasn't the only one who saw that something ominous was happening down Mexico-way.

It was theft, conspiracy, and state terror events staged by the US military at the behest of the usual suspects: "American Interests." The most massive land grab in the long history of American imperialism. Now, all these years later, with the industrial-military adventures in the Philippines (beautiful link!) and in that blatant commercial enterprise we call "World War I" (ditto) in between--not counting all the smaller operations--the "Right" is all upset about the Reconquista movement, as we see in the honourable Pat Buchanan's Mexican Imperialism Comes Out Of The Closet, where they sound all the Alamo alarms about the North-American Union at the same time they say things like "We didn't steal the American Southwest in the Mexican-American War--we won it fair & square" as if it were a fookin' poker game and the Mexicans were just "sore losers."

My point, Dr. Bombay, is that you can't separate American imperialism, nationalism, jingoism (and the populism that floated these actions & policies) from the business interests who drew them up and who continue to benefit from them. The typical "free market" response is to say, "Yeah, but it's only the collusion of government & business which allows this sort of thing to happen and if we cut back government regulation on the activites of the corporations, then freedom would ring out loud & clear."

This is such an amazingly naive proposition that it baffles the mind. Can we think of one example where untrammeled commerce resulted in freedom, liberty and "democracy"?

Further compounding this mess is the response from the so-called "Left." You see, by insisting on government regulation of business, (a virtual impossibility when business already owns the government and decides who can run and what "issues" will be acted upon, even writing the legislation that their representatives will pass) as the only remedy for the cannibalism of capitalism, they are actually acting in concert with those interests.

There is no other way, apparently. We either have corpocracy or centralized socialism. Very convenient. Now just why would it be that neither "side" is talking about the decentralization of power? (By which I do not mean just letting the Corpos do whatever they want.)

This is where Mark's Bioregionalism is different. It's also where Jeff Vail's community-centered "rhizome" model offers us a perspective that demonstrates not only what's been happening behind all the rhetoric, but a way around the "control of genes & memes." Here's an example from Dave Pollard's primer on Vail's A Theory of Power:

...Vail argues that, once established, to defend against attacks from vestiges of hierarchical systems, rhizome networks need to adopt asymmetrical methods -- by reducing the desire of hierarchy to re-achieve power (e.g. by making it difficult or unrewarding to do so on its own terms) and by becoming 'invisible' to the hierarchy (e.g. dropping out quietly and not taking part in the hierarchy's social, political and economic activities). Vail concludes:

"A new vision, with individual freedom to pursue arts and spirituality, above the pettiness of bickering for power, may prove possible if we learn to control the powers that have dominated us throughout history. In the spirit of this vision, the message will ultimately fail if forced upon others. Only through personal example, by showing that a realistic and preferable alternative exists, will these concepts succeed on a large scale. We will act as pioneers, who will begin to create diverse rhizome nodes, each one representing an individual?s struggle to solve the problems of hierarchy and human ontogeny. The more we learn and break free from the control of genes and memes, the more success these pioneers will have. Effective tools and practices will spread, and the rhizome network will grow and strengthen. As this network evolves, it will provide a realistic, implementable alternative to hierarchy, an alternative that fulfills our genetic ontogeny and empowers us as individuals. Nature has shown us that the structure of the rhizome can compete with hierarchy and stratification. When combined with an understanding of reality and humanity that makes us our own masters, we may finally learn from the events of the past and gain control of our future."


Now, honestly, is Ron Paul or anyone else on the political stage--mainstream, fringe, whatever--addressing the power dynamic at work here, or are they just playing variations on the Standard Tune?



surrender,

You're much too kind. You might be interested in the discussion that marmot started on the board called "I don't want any problems officer", where we're talking about this same idea, but from a Sounder-like ethical proposition angle.


Btw, you guys arguing with Shrub about the importance of 9/11 don't seem to be willing to accept his notion that what's happened since that particularly spectacular false flag is neither unprecented nor even unusual in the history of such things. Sure, there's nuclear weapons in play now and world wars, etc, etc, but world wars have been started under similar pretexts before and, most importantly, even if everything were somehow put "back to normal," we'd still be killing the world, just like we always have.

Also, what's with all the animosity and genital waving? (Not that friend Shrub is exactly innocent here, either...)

9/13/2007 02:28:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY:

“A recent poll found that the biggest issue for voters as the 2008 election approaches is not the Iraq war. It's an issue that leaders have not been focusing on: the well-being of America's children.
The poll asked conservatives and liberals, whites and blacks, men and women, Christians and non-Christians which of 11 changes were "absolutely necessary" for the United States to address within the next 10 years. The 11 ranged from national security and environmental protection to the state of marriage and families and the spiritual state of the country. But the issues that emerged as the frontrunners were "the overall care and resources devoted to children" and "the quality of a public school education." That was the response by 82 percent of the adults surveyed. In the United States, the cry of socialism is often raised when people propose high quality child care, single-payer healthcare and other pro-family policies. But Sweden, Norway, Finland and other nations with pro-family policies are not socialist countries. They are nations where government priorities are not for funding prisons, weapons and wars, but for funding the most essential human work: caring for people, beginning in childhood. Indeed, Nordic writers often refer to their nations not as socialist or even welfare states, but as caring societies.”




QUOTE FOR THE DAY:

Officer #1: You know what? You don't take it out on me. You don't never take it out on a cop cause we will ruin your career and life and everything else you have coming before you. Okay?

Brett: Okay.

9/13/2007 03:10:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

The war in Iraq and Afghanistan are quite a separate issue, Surrender....and they are their own evil...and I don't appreciate you implying that I think innocent women, children and men being murdered in those countries is by any means not evil.

I said Fuck 9/11 because it was a play off of Fuck Insert favorite thing to Fuck here being promoted on the Forum. I inserted 9/11....and my point remains the same....not that destruction hasn't come as a result of the event, but that people tend to recall, rejoice and proclaim the spectacle ad nauseum, and I feel compelled to snap them out of their spell....because that's what it is, a spell. I happen to agree with IC 100% on this issue, and always have. If you look back through the multitude of threads, you will see IC and I are one on this...he just happens to have a pair of fancy velvet gloves (his diplomatic approach), whereas I seem to have misplaced mine.

Also, I find you pasting something from Hal Turner odd. It doesn't fit your character. Surrender, please steer clear of these nutjobs. They are not like you. Please beware.....I don't believe they have your best interests at heart. Why does a North American Union bother you so much? As someone said on the forum, if we believe half the shit we read here, it's been that way by informally for a long time. So now they make it official...same shit, different name, unless we start doing more of what IC proposes....not what the Libertarians propose. If we do what the Libertarians propose, you ain't seen nothing yet. We will become Afghanistan with Warlords everywhere. Deadwood was intriguing, but it was no place to raise a family.

9/13/2007 04:22:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Surrender,

John E. Nemo posted this on the Forum. I have to say, it does seem to fit the bill. Are you sure you want to fasten your ship in their harbor? They want you to, not because they like you, but becasue if enough ships do, they get the port deal currently held by their Siamese Twin Brother. Once they get that deal, your ship will be plundered and sunk and the pirates will do with you what they like....cuz, hey, that's Liberty....it can be a bitch when you're on the wrong side of it.


Libertarianism in America
definition: An ego defense mechanism that white suburban males use to replace any feelings of civic responsibilty (or "caucasian guilt") by celebrating greed and materialism as noble virtues.
See also Republican who does drugs (or more correctly, would do drugs, if he had any friends)

Barring RP, I have yet to meet an American Libertarian who was not...

a) A would-be imperialist, Ayn Rand worshipping "Objectivist" who wants to pay no taxes, and not be bothered with workers rights or environmental regulations.
See also robber baron.

b) A sci-fi dork who has read so much Heinlein that he is convinced that he is part of this "elite" that are going to run the universe in the future.
See also loser.

9/13/2007 04:41:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

The war in Iraq and Afghanistan are quite a separate issue, Surrender....and they are their own evil...and I don't appreciate you implying that I think innocent women, children and men being murdered in those countries is by any means not evil.

SHRUB:

I am not sure how you got that implied this at all. I was trying to say in my inarticulate and feeble way, that I agreed with what you wrote about the "evil" of 9/11 pales when one is conscious of starving children and the lives that are lost every day in the Middle East.

I don't exactly know how to say this, but everytime I visit here, I always look for you and IC.

Misunderstandings and misinterpretation happen when trying to communicate what one feels deeply.

I think I am in overwhelm with what I have been "seeing" lately, and I will take your advice and "snap out of this spell" I have been under lately.

Thanks, REALLY!

9/13/2007 05:10:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

Shrub:

Just read your last post.

I do not want to fasten my ship in anyone's harbor.

I just want to continue to "live" my life joyously and consciously. And do what I can to honor and take care of Mother Earth.


LOVE....

9/13/2007 05:28:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

I think I am in overwhelm with what I have been "seeing" lately, and I will take your advice and "snap out of this spell" I have been under lately.

Thanks, REALLY!


I wasn't referring to you, Surrender, when I brought up snapping out of the spell. I was referring to the folks who worship 9/11 like it's a religion....I don't see you as one of those people.

In regards to your ship

If Not For The Courage Of The Fearless Crew, The Minnow Would Be Lost...The Minnow Would Be Lost

9/13/2007 05:35:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Just read your last post.

I do not want to fasten my ship in anyone's harbor.

I just want to continue to "live" my life joyously and consciously. And do what I can to honor and take care of Mother Earth.



Two Thumbs Up From The Shrubster

I'm with you.

9/13/2007 05:37:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

Hey Shrub:

I think I'm finally getting you!!

til tomorrow....

9/13/2007 05:40:00 PM  
Blogger Belliosto said...

I'm wondering if Ron Paul voted for George Bush Jr. for president in 2000? I bet he did. snicker Mr. Alex Jones certainly did. Ask him yourself. He explained in 2000 on his radio show that Bush was the better choice. Jones also said with Gore we would have no chance but with Bush Jr. we had at least 2 years. So many of his diehard listeners "Patriots" voted for Bush! I recalls thems sayins at least with Bush we's gots 2 more. hardy har har me maties hardy har har

There Khyber Pass! (that's between Afghanistan and Pakhistan on the world globe) Did I ever tell you about the time I escaped from ten thousand screaming tribesmen at that very spot?

I was leading a small detachment of men up through the mountain in search of the rebel chieftain Ali Bar when AMBUSH! Quickly we sought shelter among the rocks and for a while kept them at bay with our cannon. But a lucky shot put ours out of commission. And soon I was the only one left. Cannon to the right of me. Cannon to the left of me. Cannon in front of me! I was a hundred miles from my regiment. Then my ammunition gave out. Then at that very moment the 10,000 screaming tribesmen stormed into the pass!

Summoning my super-human strength I picked up the disabled cannon and using it like a rifle fired pointblank into the advancing enemy. I found out don't you know the recoil from that mighty cannon acted like a rocket! And I shot over the mountains and dropped in on the barracks. Just in time for tea.

9/13/2007 07:38:00 PM  
Blogger max said...

Ah Jeff, you seem to be taking a beating on this one--usually a good sign.

We too have been making very similar observations. In fact we might be called the "other" 9/11 truth group in NYC--the one that didn't put on a UFO-related disinfofest or a Ron Paul rally.

http://www.truthmove.org/forum/forum/1

At NY911Truth's Cooper Union event, "space activist" Alfred Webre took the stage to reveal to the audience that the low turnout was due to directed energy weapons which had been detected outside the venue. Jim Fetzer was the previous speaker, both of them are boosters of Judy Wood.

At Ground Zero on Tuesday, young Alex Jones acolytes grabbed Ron Paul buttons as they were handed out for free, joined the "We Are Change National Database," and broke into a unified chant of "RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL."

This ain't our truth movement.

http://www.truthmove.org

9/13/2007 08:07:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Thanks, Belliosto. I think you will enjoy the following.

Commander McBush

9/13/2007 08:36:00 PM  
Blogger Dennis Igou said...

Shrub and surrender your comments resonate with mine. When the world is getting you downe, just start a campfire and have a can of beans. Libertarians=sans soul. Shine forth brave souls!

9/13/2007 08:40:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Thanks max for that truthmove link.

Excerpt from a reveiw of NY rally events and some context;

"Ron Paul..who has come to say on camera "I don't believe 9/11 was a government job." We have quite a hypocricy here on the last one. And what a good job confusing someone just learning about the truth behind 9/11, when you hand them a dvd and a ron paul sticker. Wait till they hear him talk about the 9/11 commission and how great it is, at a debate! Or when they find a clip of him denying the truth about 9/11."

9/13/2007 09:25:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

How did this situation get so corrupted? Well, the first thing you absolutely must do is remove the hunter/gatherer option.







That's all folks!

9/13/2007 09:55:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"So, imagine that tomorrow in the news there is undeniable PROOF that 9/11 was an inside job....
And in two years Americans are all using AMEROs since the greenback "in God We Trust", that has no value, is replaced by the "gold" coin with "LIBERTY" stamped on it???

Would we thank people like Jones and Turner for trying to warn us??"


Surrender, I don't see why "In God We Trust" is any better than "LIBERTY,"they're both lies.

Turner is also warning us about "spiggers."

As he says,

"I'll wager a few bucks as to how long it will take for the gun-control morons to start calling for an assault weapons ban. When they do, politely tell them that we don't need to ban assault weapons, we need to ban race-mixing. Race-mixed people are unstable and usually dangerous."

So, do I listen to everything he says or do I pick & choose?

Is he only right about what suits my viewpoint, or is he right about everything & I'm too much of an ingrate to recognize his wisdom?

Maybe I've been so brainwashed by politically correct propaganda that I'm blinded to the necessity of the
"Portable Nigger Lyncher."

http://www.halturnershow.com/pnl.jpg

Nah!

9/13/2007 11:45:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

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9/14/2007 12:22:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

On 9-11, now THREE witnesses to a publicly bullhorned WTC7 COUNTDOWN for controlled demolition and many more for other details:

First Responder Heard WTC 7 Countdown

1. Alex Jones interviews someone waiting 6 years to tell the story of a Red Cross worker who signaled to the crowd to run for their lives after the controlled demolition countdown approached zero. ["Former Air Force Special Operations for Search and Rescue expert, Kevin McPadden" who was on the scene as a volunteer for four days during and after 9-11 at the WTC rubble.]

2. "...testimony of an anonymous EMT named Mike who told Loose Change producer Dylan Avery that hundreds of emergency rescue personnel were told over bullhorns that Building 7, a 47 story skyscraper adjacent the twin towers that was not hit by a plane yet imploded symmetrically later in the afternoon on 9/11, was about to be "pulled" and that a 20 second radio countdown preceded its collapse."

3. "That account was backed up by another ground zero rescue worker who went on the record with her full name. Volunteer EMT Indira Singh described to a radio show how she learned that WTC 7 was going to be "brought down"..."

Related people:

4. Building owner, Larry Silverstein, admits before WTC7 came down that he "got a call from the, uh, fire department commander,....I said...maybe the smartest thing is, is, to pull it, ahhh, and they made that decision to pull, and we watched the building collapse..." One word that has received little notice, that use of the word "we" in "we watched". We? Who was Silverstein with when he gets this call from the 'fire department commander'? Where was Silverstein to watch the controlled demolition from somewhere safe nearby? Where? Who is this "we" he was with?

Of course that means it was all pre-rigged for explosions....

6. Because there is video of fire department personnel warning people that WTC7 is about to come down so that sort of fits it was the 'fire department commander' who was in on it. "Keep your eye on that building it's coming down soon."

7. An unknown CNN cameraman s walking backward, with his own narration, saying "We are walking back. This is the building; that is about to blow up."

8. And we have a witness of former NYPD officer Craig Bartmer, who has described hearing bombs tear down the building as he fled the collapse.

9. There is one more WTC7 demolition witness, though for much earlier in the day inside the building. He claims he was attempting to find Giuliani
in his WTC7 bunker that morning. He reports that in phone calling people why Giuliani was not in WTC7, he is told to get the hell out of that building. In making his way out with another man, preparatory explosions in the morning inside WTC7 destroyed the lobby area and the lower internal floors and some stairwells long before WTC7 came down around 5:30 p.m. Despite almost being killed, he lives. However, he notes that some form of fire department personnel directed him "not to look at the bodies" in the lobby area which contradicts the official story about 'no deaths' in WTC7 as well.

10. You have Giuliani "doing a Silverstein" and saying that he was pre-warned about the ensuing WTC7 collapse as well.

That's just witnesses.

11. Then you have several who have come forward--one like Jowenko (sp?)--who naievely and classically began to confidently describe WTC7 as a controlled demolition simply based on the evidence he had seen, that it was a very professional job done after the other buildings came down, etc.--until he was told that actually the official story was that WTC7 collapsed 'by itself' and that it didn't come down after 9-11, that it came down on 9-11. On the video, you can see him suddenly have an 'oh sh*t' moment where he wished he hadn't said that in public.

12. Then we could get into the physical photographic evidence of 'squibs' running down the side of WTC7 as it is demolished; there is the typical 'kink' in the roofline as the demolition comes down; there is the fact it collapsed evenly, into its own footprint.

13. We could get into the molten steel in the basement of WTC7 as well.

14. And obviously planes didn't hit the controlled demolition of WTC7 though WTC7 fell just like WTC1 and WTC2.

15. And the script was running a bit early (or the building demolition countdown was running a bit late), causing the BBC performers to 'report' that "WTC7 has collapsed"--around 26 minutes before it did. You even had one BBC reporter 'live in New York city' with a shot of NYC behind her reading from cards around 5:00 p.m. that "the Solomon Brothers building WTC7] has just collapsed"--when actually it is clearly visible standing behind her in the distance. UK's BBC London HQ "starts to loose her 'live reportage signal feed'" minutes before it really would have come down behind her after she had already announced it had done so.

BBC has never explained how they predicted WTC7 complete collapse more than 20 minutes in advance.

9/14/2007 05:08:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Anyone watching Mexico right now?

Massive oil terrorism on September 11th, no less.

Someone wants to make Mexicans feel like Americans, eh? Why would "rogue Mexican terrorists" (governmental or otherwise) want to make Mexicans love, identify, and have solidarity with U.S. Americans? That's some of the strangest 'native Mexican' terrorism to date, if the official story is true. (OK, hold down your laughter (or rising taste of bile) for the "official story" comment there.)

Remember the potential terrorism exactly one month after 9-11-01 in Mexico--that would have been “10-11-01”? This was a terror plot that failed in Mexico, and additionally features quickly whisked out Mossad like DHS's Chertoff sent out of the USA's version. For that we all know about the 9-11-01 Mossad "documentary film crew" already in place before the plane crashes and demolitions of the Towers. Local New Yorker's called in police reports of them celebrating and jumping for joy at the plane hits, as well as generally celebrating the Towers destruction. When police developed some of their film, they were seen to be taking pictures of themselves with lit cigarette lighters held up, posing in front of it--according to original news stories about what the police found in their cameras. A month later:

Two Israelis arrested with bombs in the Mexican Congress
As reported in La Vox De Aztlan, two men posing as press photographers, one of them a former Israeli Colonel and Mossad agent, were arrested INSIDE the Mexican congress on October 10, 2001 armed with 9-mm pistols, nine grenades, explosives, three detonators, and 58 bullets, but were released following intense pressure from the Israeli Embassy.

"We believe that the two Zionists terrorist were going to blow up the Mexican Congress. The second phase was to mobilize both the Mexican and US press to blame Osama bin Laden. Most likely then Mexico would declare war on Afghanistan as well, commit troops and all the oil it could spare to combat Islamic terrorism."

Mexican newspaper front page with story of the arrested Mossad agents.

So six years later, for 9-11-07 in Mexico, mass manipulation socially and (with the oil) materially?

With the Amero plan coming down the pipe along with the continent-long North American highway as a novel vagus nerve, I suggest RigInt ponder more about Canadian and Mexican political shenanigans instead of pretending the U.S. elites are going it alone in this NAU project against valiant Canadians and Mexican elites.

What originally caught my eye:

Los Angeles Times
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-pipelines11sep11,0,5293808.story?coll=la-tot-world&track=ntothtml

6 pipelines blown up in Mexico on 9-11-07
Oil and natural gas conduits are targeted in what appears to be
politically motivated sabotage. Blasts force 15,000 to evacuate.
By Reed Johnson
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

September 11, 2007

MEXICO CITY — -- In an apparent case of politically motivated sabotage, six explosions blew apart oil and natural gas pipelines operated by Mexico's Pemex state oil and gas monopoly early Monday in Veracruz and Tlaxcala states, causing fires and forcing the evacuation of 15,000 people from surrounding towns.

The blasts forced Pemex to shut down at least four affected pipelines and prompted federal authorities to close two major roads. No injuries were reported.

Mexico is the world's sixth-largest oil producer and a major supplier of petroleum to the U.S. The outages drove the price of oil above $78 a barrel in futures trading Monday.

….

As for me, Shrub raises an interesting point, “why does anyone care about their local nationalisms”—given the massive inequalities in wider North America? Well, all I can say here is my opinion in this. 1. It’s not about nationalism. It’s about maintaining a semblance of some form of legislative and institutional options. The NAU is being conducted over the heads of the legislatures of the three different countries involved, never voted upon. (Good detailed historical article on this long term NAU project, here.) Thus, it’s an illegal project the way it is being done. 2. Second, I’m under no illusion that ‘bigger will be better’ or that bigger with somehow equalize poverty and wealth. Given the effects of FTAA and other issues, it will only get worse instead of better economically throughout North America with a huge consolidation like this. 3. Moreover, self-destructing all forms of legislative and (hardly, yes, I know!) pseudo-democracy and replacing it with unelected international corporate judiciaries over the economics—that is what this NAU stands for. From frying pan into the fire is not an improvement. 4. From my bioregionalist/bioregional commonwealth standpoint, my general critique would be the grain of the institutions involved as well as the procedures that have created this thing: thus, I would have nothing against such a consolidation, given the process was democratically supported, and given some form of bioregional commonwealth forms of institutions could be created. Otherwise, why this love of jumping from the frying pan to the fire seems poorly thought out for anyone who supports it. 5. The racism card: if you merge three racist countries into one big racist country, does that get rid of racism? No. It just makes the international corporate elites have an easier time playing divide and rule over the split labor markets. 6. All forms of labor regulation and environmental regulation will be gutted, however thin they are as you move south from Canada further and further.

That’s my two Ameros on the topic.

9/14/2007 07:21:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

OMG Bioregional hippy Mark is prolly pissing off the Jeff-Loonies.


The rest of you fuckers need to learn how to explain yourself.

9/14/2007 08:58:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2007/09/target-mexico.html


Some "sexy" comments about how Mexico is FUCKED.

9/14/2007 09:00:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

http://www.halturnershow.com/pnl.jpg


wow, who would use such an image in public?

9/14/2007 09:14:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

WOW, one big non sequitur Jeff's "BOG" has turnered-into. Hehe, get it? Turnered? Eh, nebermind.

9/14/2007 09:19:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

Libertarians=sans soul. Shine forth brave souls!


lulz!

9/14/2007 09:41:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

Has anyone been recording which of the "RIGNIT" regulars have been acting really political?

I think we should make it clear who is political. Some of them are rather hypocritical.

9/14/2007 09:44:00 AM  
Blogger iAdmin said...

Jeff, thank you for this article! I pretty much agree with everything you are saying here. For the Alex Jones lovers and 'Patriots' here are some of his inconsistencies.

1) Got many people into a frenzy about the year 2000 and so called chaos that was "gonna happen".

2) Has continued to claim "definite" information about an attack on Iran for the last 2 years, without Shit happening.

3) Supports 9/11 truth but not the real scholars or good movies about it. He promotes shit like Loose Change as the absolute truth.

4) Has posted many articles that turned out to be false. Usually from that idiot RENSE.

5) Uses FEAR to manipulate his audience.

6) Blames ONE GROUP for almost everything.

7) Won't expose the corruption and lies of his own religion.

And now the ultimate Contradiction, Supports RON PAUL! Why the hell would he support any of the candidates, when he has talked time again about how rigged and corrupt the elections are! Is something gonna change this time? The people are gonna have control of the election this time?? Are we to beat our masters at their own game?
WAKE UP PEOPLE, you are wasting your energy supporting RON PAUL and ALEX JONES!


-Anyone else agree here?

9/14/2007 10:07:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOQXTZyi_P4

You dirty piggies.

9/14/2007 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

iAdmin, you're a fucking moron. Go cut your head off, pig.

9/14/2007 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Syn...good politico phone me.

If www.hawkscafe.com really have a handle on 911 than most of what we call the insiders came from the Quebec wing of Canadian politics. Somebody better start pulling all the loose strings together.

We could call it the largest conspiracy from Eric Phelps to the larger conspiracy being the masons, illuminati, the shapeshifters, etc to the large conspiracy by George and companies of Kellog, Root and Brown through the Carlyle group (American and Canadian branches) to Halliburton.

Always a helping hand when you need one and always in someone's pocket when you don't pay attention.

Thanks Mark..I needed that..

9/14/2007 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

iAdmin
Location: Afghanistan
About Me
Welcome to the eLLUMINATI blog. We serve the latest in Illuminati and masonic conspiracy news.

9/14/2007 10:12:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

ericswan, you know shitturds. Fuckoff.

9/14/2007 10:14:00 AM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

Surrender,
Its interesting that you
should mention Iluminati-Terrorism
by Mr. Livingstone because I have
been "sinking my teeth into it"
for the last couple of weeks.
There are a few obvious errors in
the material, such as his contention
that Aleister Crowley persuaded
Winston Churchill to use the V for
Victory sign to counter the "dark
polemic" of the Nazi swastika.
I may have mentioned before that
the swastika is over 3,000 years
old and originated in India. It
has long been used by the Hindus
as a positive symbol and was even
used by the native Americans.
Which brings me back to Hal Turner.
Its obvious that Hal is a racist,
but as I think Mark is proving in
his excellent posts, we should read
EVERYTHING and THEN sort out the
information for ourselves. Because,
whether we like it or not, there is
a small percentage of our Military
that ARE racist. And those folks
feed information to guys like Hal
Turner. So, like Alex Jones, or
Ron Paul for that matter, should
we completely dismiss whatever
information they are divulging
simply because we are not of the
same political bent? No, of course
not. We all have to learn to
separate the wheat from the chaff.
And that includes the writings of
Mr. Livingstone.

IC,
Excellent comments, as usual.
You must be some kind of holy man
to be able to hold on to your
Utopian vision for this planet. If
only we ALL had your level of faith
and good will.

9/14/2007 10:26:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

"It has long been used by the Hindus as a positive symbol and was even used by the native Americans."


No fuck?

9/14/2007 10:34:00 AM  
Blogger iAdmin said...

Instead of resorting to Stupid name calling, explain why you support these people then?

I don't doubt that alex jones has good intentions. You really believe that Ron Paul is gonna change everything for US?

-Explain yourself at least..

9/14/2007 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

drop dead.

9/14/2007 10:49:00 AM  
Blogger wwwdotnet said...

I liked what you said Fructador-


Let us learn first to stand on our own two feet, give thanks for anyone who might help us in the right direction (which is our choice, not a dogma to be followed), and get on with it.

true, true, true...


There are no masses, only ways of seeing masses - RAW

But then IC said -

The scariest part of this phenomenon is how successful it is in dividing us even further into separate camps, when our interests are actually identical.

Hot damn, giddy, giddy. Yes! Abstraction, and more abstraction of our identities, our beliefs, our wants, needs...we gotta turn our backs once in a while, and just gain some insight from the ever cosmic collective unconscience.



A vast and infinite, indifferent, empty cosmos I hear? Oh, how I wanted to thrown my pencil straight into the eye of that soul crushing, good-for-nothing, physics teacher at school. Forgive her Elvis, for she knew not what she spew.



Cos I am as sure, as sure as could possibly be, that George, Dick, Donald, their puppeteers and cronies, must shed a few trickling tears at night. When their families are tucked in, their false reality building televisions off, their clean cut costumes of symmetry and order hanging in the moth free wardrobe - In walks in the pain, the guilt, the cries inside that they will take to their grave and to their eternal repetition existence, never ending, infinitely fluctuating pain of their innocent victims. I hope so anyhoo.


Surrender said -

(Lately, I have been wondering how long we will be able to express ourselves here on RI.)

My greatest fear in this Jah-forsaken urban pit, is the disconnection of the net. Surely this is on the cards? As long as the net can still be used for disinformation, and the abstraction of reality, keeping our reddening asses at the computer chair, I guess it's broadband all round. (no offense meant, i know we are all trying to do "Something" about all this.)

There needs to be some physically tangible alternative protocol for if the net were to get the snip.



Bombay said -
Oh yeah,
If half the shit I'm hearing
is true, it wouldn't hurt to have
a weeks worth of canned food and
water on hand.. and don't forget
a light source..


And the gold-seal my friend.



Mark ... fucking great posts.




Well, I been away for a while, and been feeding on this post just today, my head was spininning all round. Jeff, great analogy.


It feels like I ran away from home to join the circus, but as I looked back, the realization dawned I was in fact coming back to the home I was never allowed. I feel cosy here.


Well muchachos, i look forward to the rest of this thread. I'm off for my psilocybin sunrise. I finally got my sorry ass in gear to get some video content on my blog.

- CHECK IT OUT -

9/14/2007 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

SANKA

9/14/2007 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger surrender said...

RICHARD:

Surrender, I don't see why "In God We Trust" is any better than "LIBERTY,"they're both lies.

(My point, exactly.)

I am in total agreement with what you wrote.

"Discern and Discard"...

or as Dr. BOMBAY wrote: "We all have to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff."

Just a reminder, we all have our own unique way of experiencing and "viewing" life thru the veil.

Each individual's journey in the evolution of the soul, has a purpose. When you discover that purpose, you discover the true meaning of TRUTH and FREEDOM.

9/14/2007 11:58:00 AM  
Blogger surrender said...

By the way did anyone take time to check out the link from ELFIS?



"After a strange devolution of the BFN (BreakForNews.com forums) some interesting information emerges allegedly linking Fintan Dunne’s apparent investigation of BFN User “navari” (whose catchphrase is “Full Spectrum Liberty”) and his apparent founding of ESI (Election Science Institute) and RonPaulOnline.com … as exposed by BFN User “obeylittle”."

Fintan Dunne:

Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:31 pm -

"So the Op is blown, and a bit earlier than I would have preffered, but no prob. As usual we learn a lot about the 2004 election and by inference about the role of Ron Paul, and via the pathocrat material also tells us about www.cassiopaea.org (as if we didn’t know). It was Cassiopaea, which launched the “Pentagon Strike” diversion on us, btw."
… and …

Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:15 am - "

Well, Navari founded the election Science Institute which played a key rolein dismissing legitimate questioning of the theft of the Ohio election by Bush et. al in 2004.Then he creates RonPaulOnline.com to suport the candidacy of Ron Paul.

So, is the Ron Paul presidential bid a real threat to the establishment, or is it a calculated diversion which they encourage because they have it all well covered? Guess? Does this mean that Ron Paul is a stooge for the NWO? Maybe, but you can decide if he is just being used.Ah well. I’m glad I got a chance to interview him anyway, about the vital need for reform of the FDA and of medicine, but it’s disappointing to see that these ideas and the hope of getting the government off our backs are unlikely to lead anywhere.’Cos if there was a real threat of these ideas actually geting anywhere, then I don’t think Navari would be giving the campaign a handout."


Interesting........

9/14/2007 11:59:00 AM  
Blogger surrender said...

SYN:


Are you having a bad day???


LOVE

9/14/2007 12:00:00 PM  
Blogger iAdmin said...

surrender I agree with what you just said. My instinct is that Ron Paul is put out there simply to appeal to the Patriots and other left wing groups. It's sad, but this is their arena and their game...

9/14/2007 12:12:00 PM  
Blogger sockmonkey1332213 said...

The cacophony of the dichotomy reeks of Tavistock to me

9/14/2007 12:21:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Richard,

It's the 14th and nothing's happened yet. I think some folks need to get ready to admit they were wrong.

9/14/2007 01:26:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

IC,
I just wanted to add that there
is one thing that we may disagree
on. Correct me if I'm wrong, but
I get the impression from your posts
that you don't believe it is possible
to build an advanced society in what
you perceive as the "American Empire". I've noticed this same thought running through other posts
as well. I believe it is possible.
Negative Karma is not easy to
overcome but it can be done and,
in fact, will be done but it might
take several hundred generations.

wwwdotnet said: and don't forget
"the gold seal".
And don't forget Anna too you
clever bastard!

Eve,
I just saw a bumper sticker that
reminded me of your spanking
comment: Sticks and stones may
break my bones, but whips and chains excite me.

Has anyone considered that Ron Paul
is gaming Navari? Like the Kennedys
gamed the Mafia and the Teamsters?
Naaah..He's a hick. And does anyone
really think Ron is going to come
out publicly and say 9/11 was an
inside job? Not if he wants to
get elected he's not.

9/14/2007 02:22:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Dr. Bombay,

Please don't call me a "holy man"--my faith in the alternative to the swirling Death Spiral of the Big Fascist Crapper continues in spite of every new indignity simply because I know it would work and because to give in is to forfeit my kids' future. There's also the karmic balance to consider and the debt we owe the universe and our poor bedraggled earth mother...okay, I got lots of motivations.

If we got some of these models off the ground, gained some momentum, and then were able to build on that enthusiasm by convening discussion groups via internet and townhall style that looked squarely at both the "new" fascism and the bioregional and egalitarian community-centered frameworks of the Revitilization of the Earth...then we might just survive.

Saying "We're all going to die!" or falling for one of the establishment traps--which includes every politician allowed to participate in the "democratic process"--is giving up. I may be broken, but I'm not dead yet. (I feel happy!)

That said, I'm not quite sure what you mean about the possibility of building "an advanced society" in the American Empire--the models I prefer to what we have are far more advanced than any hierarchy-bound imperialist state could ever be, to my way of thinking, but maybe I'm reading that wrong.

Mark,

Here's what I don't get: how are they going to sell this to those folks to whom they've been pimping the necessity of the National Security State all these years?

There are nearly too many contradictions and ironies here to count. While that August Review link you gave us does provide a nice overview of the carefully planned evolution of this Hyper Greater American State (kinda sounds like the old Großdeutschland, doesn't it, in the same way that Homeland Security is so closely related to the Reichssicherheitsamt...), the one thing it leaves out is the inevitable conflict between the globalists and their base.

Not to mention the one between Life & Death, of course...

All these years they've been stoking the fires of xenophobia and nationalism among their Minutemen/America First! supporters, and now they're going to disarm them with what, "Oh, Goethe and the hippies were right, we don't really need national borders anyway"?! I somehow can't picture those folks adjusting to that shift in their mental landscape very easily.

Nor, for that matter, would folks like me, who really do like Goethe's Weltburger concept (I've smuggled myself and other things over borders many times, been an illegal alien went I felt like it, an undocumented worker when I needed some money in a strange land...) and who have an extreme distrust and dislike of "free trade," just suddenly say, "Well, gosh, if it's good for Monsanto it must be good for us!"

Did you happen to catch my link to Pat Buchanan's diatribe on "Mexican imperialism"? These people refuse to acknowledge American imperialism and are already making noises about the NAU. On the other side, the anti-imperialists are so adamantly opposed to the further rape of the world through yet more consolidation of power that...oh...I get it.

(Lightbulb graphic.)

The "extremes" on either "side" are the only ones paying any attention at all. Everyone else either has his nose to the grindstone, his back up against the wall, or his head up his ass in one of the many officially sanctioned "diversion" so that no one's really going to notice, right? One day the new flag will be on the logo on the screen at FOX/MSNBC/CorpoMediaWhatever and Chris Mathews/O' Reilly/Talking Head Of Choice will be monotoning on as if nothing's changed at all.

The new reality will get old...and it'll be time to turn the alarm clock off and start the eternal groundhog day all over again.

Brilliant. (Have we been here before? Something seems familiar...Here we go; these snapshots of what we were thinking the last time thus much territory change hands might bring it all back. Or maybe it's forward.)

9/14/2007 03:18:00 PM  
Blogger ELFIS said...

Three questions with: Alex Jones

Clarisa Ramirez
Austin 360
Friday, September 14, 2007

Alex Jones is the expressive and sometimes pontificating voice behind the nationally syndicated "Alex Jones Show," airing locally from 4 to 6 p.m. Sundays on KLBJ 590 AM. Jones also produces documentaries examining and questioning America's politics.

He's presenting his final screening of "End Game" as part of the Alamo South's Celebrity Guests Signature Series on Monday. The film is about the plan by "global architects" to exterminate 80 percent of the population, he says. And yes, despite his arrest in New York on Sunday on charges of using a bullhorn without a permit in front of Fox News studios, he'll be there.

American-Statesman: Why should people watch 'End Game' and what should they expect at the screening?

Alex Jones: The film is two hours and 20 minutes long, and I didn't put in half the pieces of information I wanted to get to. ... When you're making claims like I'm making, you want to get into it. There are whole books written on, and government documents, of just the project in the '70s to sterilize Native American women. In some reservations as high as 42 percent were sterilized. And I spent 22 seconds of that on the film. I mean, the level of evil is so massive. I wanted to spend time on the whole history of eugenics. ... it's just impossible to cover it all. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to speak about some of the issues that are not covered in the film, or some of the stories that we had to cut out of the film or were never even able to make, just to explain to people is what you're seeing is just the tip of the iceberg.

How can people get involved in their community?

I think the number one thing we have to do is stop watching television ... We know that the average adult, after just a few minutes of watching television, goes into suspended disbelief. But more than just that, they go into a mesmerized state. And it's even worse with children. It brings you into a sleep brainwave, so you're actually totally mesmerized — you get enthralled by it. And video games, because you add to that physically, it lowers you into a state of near-death. ... This is dangerous. And that's why the public is getting more dumbed down, more and more disassociative, unconnected to things.

Just growing up, in our middle class neighborhood, people were on the front yard, they were talking, there were barbecues, they were doing stuff. ... Now you drive through your neighborhoods and the windows are all glowing blue. ...

Also, just get involved ... I would say service is the key. Helping your fellow man's a good thing, and actually physically doing it feels good. Try this year, instead of going to the Bahamas and getting a big suntan and getting drunk, go visit old people in nursing homes whose kids don't care about them and don't go see them. You're going to feel more fulfilled, so that's going to help you personally, and it's going to help that person you're helping.

What do you do that's creative and not work-related?

I was doing arts and crafts with my children last night. I like to watercolor. Back when I had time, I'd oil paint. I like to go out in nature; go walk around on the greenbelt, go fishing.

("End Game" shows at 7 p.m. Monday at Alamo South ,1120 S. Lamar Blvd. $8.25. 476-1329, www.originalalamo.com.)

Three Questions With: Alex Jones

9/14/2007 03:35:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

We need not more security-minded persons, not more image seekers, not more obedience to the established patterns of living, but men and women of vision who see the urgency of a new way of living: a life in communion with the benison of beauty in nature and the intrinsic dignity and interconnectedness of human life.

We are an alembic and are powerfully creative individuals. This is our divine gift. Yet, we have lost our direction and have become obdurate and fearful. We wish to reach out from our loneliness but we are afraid. In our fear, we take great pains to conform unquestioningly to the dictates of society. Here is where our natural powers become subservient to the opinions of the hour. We lose ourselves to the imitative process that abounds everywhere, and the world loses the potential for profound change.


~~Eugene Tsui, Evolutionary Architecture: Nature as a Basis for Design~~

9/14/2007 03:58:00 PM  
Blogger Teh Foesmasher said...

After reading the defenses of Ron Paul on this comment thread I am pretty sure that all Ron Paulites wouldn't ever concede that yes, Ron Paul obtained his first donor's list from David Duke and that Stormfront, an unabashed white supremacist discussion board, fully supports his agenda. None of his supporters on this or any other site has done anything to sway me towards him, and being a minority I am a leery of supporting anyone who would love to abolish the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Are you people really that thickheaded to think that he ISN'T a racist? I'm sorry but I am true believer in if you lie down with dogs, you get fleas, and Ron Paul is busy scratching.

As for Alex Jones, who cares? I am constantly amused at how vehement his defenders get when the guy brings the criticism on hisself.

I liked the post, Jeff. Nothing that disturbed me; I read this site with an open mind and no preconceptions, unlike the majority of the fools (hey "Josey Wales" and any of you other closeted white supremacists out there!) who have been bloviating on this here thread. I don't take Jeff Wells take on anything as the definitive statement. I enjoy reading speculation with some facts mixed in. Take it easy, Jeff.

9/14/2007 04:10:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

HEY DOT

Checked it out.
Robotic or cloned???

However, trying to put a slant on the fact that Gerogie and Co. might feel some guilt or remorse in the wee hours, is sweet, but don't you think that those "who have done unto us what we would never think to do unto them", have distanced themselves from Humanity a long time ago?


IADMINI:
I don't live in that country any longer, but from where I'm sitting, it does't matter any more who will be the next clone, oops, "president".

As my good friend George Carlin says, "politicians, (which is what Ron Paul is, obviously), don't really GIVE a FUCK about you or me!!!....

We must find our own way, each of us, all of us, while we "observe" the Cabala plundering the lives of people and places that have NO VALUE in thier great scheme of things.

Wouldn't it be a hoot if everyone went on strike on election day and refused to vote in a DEMOCRATIC process that is no longer democratic, and probably hasn't been for a very long time.(Maybe, never was.)

Then we could all join with IC and live in a way that promotes the value of life and recognizes our duty as human beings to live in harmony with nature.

Vali says it better:

"When combined with an understanding of reality and humanity that makes us our own masters, we may finally learn from the events of the past and gain control of our future."

IC: you are totally "on" today.

Thanks for saying what I was trying to say before about North American Union. I muddled it up by quoting "what's his name". After witnessing what the US influence has done to Haiti, I cannot possibly imagine this is being done in the best interest of these countries citizens. And your last quote says it all for me. Thanks!

SHRUB: SANKA???????????

(Explain yourself, Sir!!)

9/14/2007 04:29:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

Baba IC,
Perhaps I should have said
"move the American Empire towards
an advanced society"..

9/14/2007 04:54:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

surrender said...
SYN:

Are you having a bad day???

LOVE


LULZ, people seem to want to get all partisan political. I just like to skip the formalities and get personal. That's what it all gets down to anyway, no?


Aint I such a clever internet performance artist. ;-)

9/16/2007 12:26:00 PM  
Blogger byrdeye said...

The NAU & Amero was #3 on my list of 5 geopolitical prophecies from nearly a year ago...

YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT, FELLAS!!!

12/20/2007 01:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Byrdeye said...

^ Sorry, 4 geopolitical prophecies...

12/20/2007 08:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please watch your sources as anything by Rima Laibow cannot be trusted. Thank you.

NATURAL SOLUTIONS FOUNDATION's DISINFORMATION SHOULD BE IGNORED & NOT FORWARDED- HERE IS WHY:

http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=236062&site_id=1#import

"Citizens for Health" and "Natural Solutions Foundation" are controlled opposition groups on the Codex issue. We believe the true purpose of these groups is to assist the pharma dominated vitamin trade associations by recommending grass roots actions which appear plausible on the surface to the poorly informed, but which upon close inspection fail to hold up to careful scrutiny.

http://www.nocodexgenocide.com/page/page/3312735.htm

...it quickly became apparent to experienced health freedom observers that Stubblebine either hadn't done his homework properly, or that he and Laibow were intentionally spreading inaccurate and misleading material on Codex and other related dietary supplement issues via their website and press releases.

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex-moderngeneral.html

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