Monday, November 05, 2007

The Unnameable



"There are things all around. Things you never see because you don't have the words, you don't have the names. you only learned the 26-letter alphabet.

"Here are some names for things...." - Grant Morrison,
The Invisibles

Speaking the World

There are only, maybe, 350 members of the Pirahã tribe, but its language is confounding linguists for all that it lacks. There are no subordinate clauses and no past tense; no words for colours and hardly any for time. The language contains no numbers.

The debate amongst linguists about the absence of all numbers in the Pirahã language broke out after Peter Gordon, a psycholinguist at New York's Columbia University, visited the Pirahãs and tested their mathematical abilities. For example, they were asked to repeat patterns created with between one and 10 small batteries. Or they were to remember whether Gordon had placed three or eight nuts in a can.

The results, published in Science magazine, were astonishing. The Pirahãs simply don't get the concept of numbers. His study, Gordon says, shows that "a people without terms for numbers doesn't develop the ability to determine exact numbers."

Gordon's work revived interest in the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis of linguistic determinism: that our language sculpts the way we think about the world, and that without a word for something, we can't think of it. This is the premise of Orwell's Newspeak: to greatly reduce the vocabulary by stripping it of words and constructs which could describe rebellion and even an alternative to Big Brother, in order that it become impossible to even think of such things.

Linguist Daniel Everett, who spent seven years living with the Pirahãs and says "their thinking isn't any slower than the average college freshman," devoted eight months trying to teach them simple Portuguese numbers used by Brazillians, but "in the end, not a single person could count to ten." In Gordon's Science article "Numerical Cognition Without Words: Evidence From Amazonia" he asks, "Is there any case where not having words for something doesn't allow you to think about it?" And then answers, "I think this is a case for just that."

Clifford Pickover in Sex, Drugs, Einstein, & Elves reflects upon vocabulary's role in shaping his world when he studied entomology, and learned insect orders and names for body parts:

When I had names for everything, I perceived insects so differently, remembered insects so differently, and communicated about insects so differently. The names helped focus and consolidate my attention in strikingly new ways. Certainly, before I knew the names, I could see that one bug had large wings and another did not, or one had a hypognathous jaw and another did not, but I doubt that my mind was tuned to manage, compartmentalize, and take note of this new information. Before I knew the words, did I wonder why the insects were different or did I just accept that a bug is a bug?

"Need to Know"

Boundary experiences are so-called in part because they transgress the boundary of our ability to describe them. They transcend concepts which can be accommodated by our language, and even introduce a new language that cannot be wholly translated back into our native tongues once the experience ends.

DMT may introduce "three dimensional 'glyphs' of pure meaning which defy my every attempt to describe them." Terence McKenna regarded these encountered objects as a "new dispensation of the logos. They are holding out the possibility that language need not be processed by the ears, that language can become, under certain radical situations of neurological perturbation, visible." And with some frequency, the DMT experience includes failed attempts at communication and instruction by encountered entities. ("The two beings seemed to be trying to attract my attention, and to communicate something to me, but I could not understand. It was as if they were trying to make me understand where I was.")

UFO contactees also often have difficulty finding words, post-encounter, to accurately describe experiences which occurred out of their familiar time and space and sometimes with no seeming reference to their own language. They may be shown texts of strange symbols, the meaning of which is evident in the moment but afterwords, attempting to reconstruct the event in their natural syntax, the symbols are entirely foreign and beyond translation.

Dr Mario Pazzaglini authored a 16-year study of "received" text entitled Symbolic Messages, He told Greg Bishop that the symbols "are so spatial that they transmit tremendous amounts of information at one blast":

And you may not always be able to relay that information back as a reported word, but as an internal experience, it's pretty rich. So if the symbols continue in that vein, they'll be very valuable. We are well built for that, because biologically we have this system called "entrainment." If you and I are talking, we just look at each other and there's tremendous amounts of information passed besides what's passed verbally. So you have some feelings about me, I may have some about you, and you may at some point visualize what you think I am, which will encode information about me (not necessarily what I look like) and all that stuff is going on. So that's what might be the value of these symbols - that they're not trying to communicate to us (if that's what they are doing) the particular thing that the symbol is supposed to be saying, but there's a whole downloading of experience and possibility that is going on that we're not even aware of yet. Certainly the culture is different for this phenomena existing.


"Almost overnight," just 50,000 years ago, anatomically modern humans began acting differently, by demonstrating abstract thought in the creation of art and religion. People were talking, not just communicating by gesture and intonation, and things had names. Categories were being defined and ideas were shaping words, filling our ancestors' heads and animating their lives. And now, 2,000 generations later, are our vocabularies rich enough to paint in abstract the real world? Or have we lost or abandoned concepts along the way, as Oldspeak, that could help us see that which may be all about us, but for which we have no meaningful words, and so can't see?

When Tim Russert attempted to dispatch the candidacy of Dennis Kucinich with a question regarding his close encounter, Kucinich replied "It was an Unidenfied Flying Object, okay? It's unidentified - I saw something." Except "UFO" is not a contentless placeholder. UFO is identified with little green men, ET and Mars Attacks. There is no meaningful way to speak about the subject in the English language without reference to its debased and comic acronym, and if language shapes our view of reality, then it may take an effort of will or a boundary experience of our own to see that there is more to the phenomenon than a punchline.

Having the wrong word may be even more a hindrance to our perception of reality than not having a word at all. And that misperception, about UFOs and much else, is almost certainly managed to some measure to keep our vision blurry.

Budd Hopkins shared a story in 2003 about the late UFOlogist Allen Hynek, who got to know Donald Rumsfeld when Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense under Gerald Ford. On one visit to Washington, Hynek met Rumsfeld in his office and said, "I have been in this for years looking at the UFO phenomena. I feel like at this point in my life I am in a position of 'need to know' what you know or what some agency might know that I don’t know. I have a 'need to know' I feel." Hopkins said that Hynek told him "Rumsfeld stood up and pointed a finger at him and said, "You have no 'need to know' and then sat down again. That was the end of it."

There are a lot of things we can't know with certainty about that story, not least of which is whether it actually even happened. But we can know that for some things we don't know their true names, and until we do we won't know them, or even see them.

496 Comments:

Blogger Sounder said...

Ah yes, reminds me of Donny Rumsfeld and the 'unknown unknown' that keeps him awake at night. The eternal question I guess; Just what is it that we are missing?

11/05/2007 07:46:00 AM  
Blogger Brainpanhandler said...

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11/05/2007 08:20:00 AM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

So many references Shrub...

What am I to conclude?


That you're right at home here, and not alone.

But seriously, why don't you try to take what has now been presented and sourced and discuss your ideas in regards to it without citing any further sources or plagiarizing.

Can you deny that this is not much more than mental masturbation?

For someone who's not so sure of himself, you sure are sure of yourself. I was especially impressed with your pontification on subjectivity. If I didn't know better, I'd say your presentation of that conclusion denoted objectivity....which is highly ironic.

11/05/2007 09:04:00 AM  
Blogger friendlyfascism said...

Jeff,

This has much to do with a lot. Keep going...

11/05/2007 10:25:00 AM  
Blogger David said...

I used to think you are smart, now I think you are stupid. Sorry but you are such a mess in the directions that you go that I cant help but think you are a part of the problem and not the solution. Either that or your topics are simply too hard for me to grasp. I must be below your intellectual ability - either that or you are just talking babble. probably the latter. Oh and it has nothing to do with this posting - just the whole lot of them together make no sense to me - you have NO FOCUS. enjoy leading people down the rabbit hole of words without end or goal or direction. kinda sad.

11/05/2007 10:41:00 AM  
Blogger Rafting Bear said...

Hmm...Jeff...looks like a few naysayers have bothered to read an entire, and very interesting, post, and then criticize it while offering nothing of substance in return.

Seems like a lot of work for nothing...if indeed that was their goal...!

I read years ago, in relation to the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, about a remote African tribe with only two words for colors, which (roughly) correspond to "cool" colors and "warm" colors. When they looked at a rainbow, they distingushed only two bands of color: the inner, "warm" band and the outer "cool" band. They could tell there was a difference in shade between, say, "green" and "blue" but couldn't remember which was which and ascribed no importance to it.

When I was undergoing (apparently) alien contacts in the mid-90s, I and at least three others in my support group were taken into deeper (you'd probably say "higher") dimensions and shown things we had no words for. When returned, we only had feelings, no clear memories. In 1997 I met a man who had been given definitions by entities he called "angels" that he had faithfully written down without really understanding them. When we compared notes, and after meditating, I began to realize that my extra-dimensional experiences matched his new vocabulary and metaphors and that we'd been left alone to match them up, which I've spent the intervening time doing. It was, and is, deep stuff, having to do with the illusion of mortal life, the reality of immortal existence and the fact that God is WITHIN everything rather than "out there".

As Shrek would say, it's all layers: Layers of reality, and ALL ARE VALID. Just as your cells live in a world very different from that of your atoms or your body, yet all are "real", so our political worlds, family worlds, spiritual worlds and God worlds co-exist even while any layer has the choice to percieve the others or not.

They just need the words.

11/05/2007 11:45:00 AM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

They just need the words.

Did you ever consider that words are part of the problem and the reason we are in the predicament we are in?

So, maybe they don't need any more words, and neither do we.

Just because this tribe doesn't have words to describe the detail, doesn't mean they don't see the vivid array of colors just as we do. They just don't care to describe it as we do.

Remember, it is a hypothesis, afterall, not a proven theory, or the Gospel, no matter how sure the source may sound.

Also, you said naysayers, but I only noted one naysayer on this thread before your post. Who are the others?

11/05/2007 01:10:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

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11/05/2007 01:38:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

In the beginning was the word and the word was God and the word was with God

11/05/2007 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

I thought consciousness was in the beginning.

I agree, Fletcher, that Words and God are part of the problem, since you are asserting they are one and the same.

11/05/2007 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Professor Michael Corballis has an article in the New Scientist a couple issues back stating that what makes humans unique is our ability for recursive language. He used birdsong as a counter-example, stating it was “repetitive.” I emailed him — he’s in New Zealand — stating that I had emailed him previously but he hadn’t responded (after I had read his “the Lop-Sided Ape” book several years ago). My previous email was along similar lines and that he was imposing Western harmonics onto bird-song, thereby rendering it “repetitive.” I pointed out that most of the bird-song is actually in ultrasound.

He responded almost immediately — does ultrasound make it recursive? Well my response was too cranky for him to reply but essentially the definition of recursive relies on symmetrical form whereas natural overtones of bird-song are asymmetrical. Besides the fact that there are several human languages now found to not be recursive — much to the chagrin of Noam Chomsky and his “universal grammar transformation” or whatever. He and I corresponded as well.

Maybe I speak alien after all.

11/05/2007 03:37:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

what makes humans unique is our ability for recursive language

Really, and here I thought it was Opposable Thumbs and/or Crying. I'm sure we can name a few more....but if the good Professor says it's recursive language...well, that must be it, then.

11/05/2007 03:51:00 PM  
Blogger Rafting Bear said...

Shrubageddon said...
They just need the words.

Did you ever consider that words are part of the problem and the reason we are in the predicament we are in?

So, maybe they don't need any more words, and neither do we.


I don't pretend to have answers. I have my observations and experiences. But I observer your point is valid. In fact, the visitors don't seem to use words. It was when the other "abductees" and I realized that they communicated in images and pantomime and began to do the same to "talk" back to them, that the poking and prodding stopped, and the multi-dimensional lessons began.

On the very first night that we made this attempt (from our separate bedrooms hundreds of miles apart), two of us experienced "high school graduations" with mortarboards and diplomas handed to us by a seven-foot alien in cap and gown. The third had what she described as a "kindergarten graduation". The message, in each case, was clear though it employed no words. On the other hand, the concepts being conveyed were ones for which English words exist.

In the 12 years or so since then, the other two people expressed no interest in understanding what we'd been shown. I, on the other hand, was obsessed with it. And I have to admit, the understanding I've developed had improved my own life immeasurably, in that I am much happier and unflappable and aware than before.

But the concepts must be edged into. Like the ideas in Stranger In A Strange Land, where Michael Valentine Smith's teachings could only be expressed in Martian, one has to work through certain metaphors to develop a working vocabulary, not of words, but of concepts, each of which depends on the ones that come before it in order to make sense.

11/05/2007 04:03:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

The connection between opposable thumbs and language is answered by Professor William H. Calvin's amazing book: "The Ascent of Mind."

Corballis argues that left-brain-right hand dominance coevolved since bipedalism makes an unstable and unsafe situation while left-brain language and right-hand function protects the left-side asymmetry of the heart (the most important organ of the body).

What Calvin adds to this is Darwin's perception that adaptions can have multiple functions -- so sequential time functions (eye-hand precise throwing) and sequential syntax actually use the same part of the brain, byproducts of the same adaptive function.

Calvin errors though in suggesting the music was a side-effect of the above two functions. In fact, as Dr. Daniel Levitin and now Professor Oliver Sacks emphasize, not only did music start as the first language but it remains essential for proper brain-body function, as the processor of electrochemicals.

If we take into account Dr. Jeremy Narby's argument that DNA is an information transductor for superliminal visions and that DNA uses a 3 in 1 language code, just like nonwestern music and that psychotropic training relies on music to guide the visions -- then we've solved the whole

retarded western language as globalcide condundrum.

By the way -- Chomsky' Zyegma also is a 3 in 1 function but since he's using logarithmic-based deriatives his analysis, like Corballis, is limited to symmetry, and therefore inherently flawed. Western math is derived from nonwestern music.

11/05/2007 04:38:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

zeugma

Chomsky's zeugma = lack of smegma in his brain.

11/05/2007 04:44:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Don't say I didn't do you a favor:

http://williamcalvin.com/bk7/bk7ch16.htm

11/05/2007 04:55:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Look Jeff -- the whole "DMT caused humanity explosion" is b.s. I wasn't an explosion. (that's a Freudian slip for science as a stress hormone patriarchy thing). Consciousness is inherently beyond evolution.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml?xml=/connected/2002/01/15/ecnart15.xml

Abstract art was just discovered as 120,000 years old.

I was just reading DMT: the spirit molecule this morning -- coincidentally. Adrenaline kills production of DMT but can be overridden by increased MAO production. the whole purpose of "tribal trance transduction" is to increase the levels of serotonin in the brain to transduce into melatonin and DMT. The ionization of these chemicals, as Strassman also details, through natural resonance, enables increased production of DMT. No external drug is necessary and also the ionization enables spirit travel through the creation of electromagnetic fields.

11/05/2007 05:22:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Wait -- that was turned around -- adrenaline creates DMT but is overridden by the MAO enzyme. Increased serotonin allows less sleep needed just as increased MAO kills off both melatonin and DMT.

11/05/2007 05:24:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

"All of these are like useful things as well as evil things."
- The Apocryphon of John
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn.html

(Discover some of the names of the ancient hidden world.)



"Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen"

Prop #1 The world consists of a totality of interconnected atomic facts, and propositions make "pictures" of the world.

Prop #2 In order for a picture to represent a certain fact it must in some way possess the same logical structure as the fact. The picture is a standard of reality. In this way, linguistic expression can be seen as a form of geometric projection, where language is the changing form of projection but the logical structure of the expression is the unchanging geometric relationships.

Pro #3 We cannot say with language what is common in the structures, rather it must be shown, because any language we use will also rely on this relationship, and so we cannot step out of our language with language.



Ludwig Wittgenstein,
Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein#The_Tractatus

11/05/2007 06:10:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

30 The phenomenal world does not exist; it is a hypostasis of the information processed by the Mind.

31 We hypostatize information into objects. Rearrangement of objects is change in the content of the information; the message has changed. This is a language which we have lost the ability to read. We ourselves are a part of this language; changes in us are changes in the content of the information. We ourselves are information-rich; information enters us, is processed and is then projected outward once more, now in an altered form. We are not aware that we are doing this, that in fact this is all we are doing.

32 The changing information which we experience as world is an unfolding narrative. It tells about the death of a woman. This woman, who died long ago, was one of the primordial twins. She was half of the divine syzygy. The purpose of the narrative is the recollection of her and of her death. The Mind does not wish to forget her. Thus the ratiocination of the Brain consists of a permanent record of her existence, and, if read, will be understood this way. All the information processed by the Brain—experienced by us as the arranging and rearranging of physical objects—is an attempt at this preservation of her; stones and rocks and sticks and amoebae are traces of her. The record of her existence and passing is ordered onto the meanest level of reality by the suffering Mind which is now alone.

33 This loneliness, this anguish of the bereaved Mind, is felt by every constituent of the universe. All its constitutes are alive. Thus the ancient Greek thinkers were hylozoists.

34 The ancient Greek thinkers understood the nature of this pan-psychism, but they could not read what it was saying. We lost the ability to read the language of the Mind at some primordial time; legends of this fall have come down to us in a carefully-edited form. By "edited" I mean falsified. We suffer the Mind's bereavement and experience it inaccurately as guilt.

35 The Mind is not talking to us but by means of us. Its narrative passes through us and its sorrow infuses us irrationally. As Plato discerned, there is a streak of the irrational in the World Soul.

36 In Summary: thoughts of the brain are experienced by us as arrangements and rearrangements—change—in a physical universe; but in fact it is really information and information-processing which we substantialize. We do not merely see its thoughts as objects, but rather as the movement, or, more precisely, the placement of objects: how they become linked to one another. But we cannot read the patterns of arrangement; we cannot extract the information in it—i.e. it as information, which is what it is. The linking and relinking of objects by the Brain is actually a language, but not a language like ours (since it is addressing itself and not someone or something outside itself).

37 We should be able to hear this information, or rather narrative, as a neutral voice inside us. But something has gone wrong. All creation is a language and nothing but a language, which for some inexplicable reason we can't read outside and can't hear inside. So I say, we have become idiots. Something has happened to our intelligence. My reasoning is this: arrangement of parts of the Brain is language. We are parts of the Brain; therefore we are language. Why, then, do we not know this? We do not even know what we are, let alone what the outer reality is of which we are parts. The origin of the word "idiot" is the word "private." Each of us has become private, and no longer shares the common thought of the Brain, except at a subliminal level. Thus our real life and purpose are conducted below our threshold of consciousness.

38 From loss and grief the Mind has become deranged. Therefore we, as parts of the universe, the Brain, are partly deranged.

39 Out of itself the Brain has constructed a physician to heal it. This subform of the Macro-Brain is not deranged; it moves through the Brain, as a phagocyte moves through the cardiovascular system of an animal, healing the derangement of the Brain in section after section. We know of its arrival here; we know it as Asklepios for the Greeks and as the Essenes for the Jews; as the Therapeutae for the Egyptians; as Jesus for the Christians.


PKD
Tractates Cryptica Scriptura
http://deoxy.org/pkd_tcs.htm

11/05/2007 06:25:00 PM  
Blogger Brainpanhandler said...

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11/05/2007 06:56:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

BPH puts a hook into it when he says Shrub "who are you". I suppose it's called the code of conduct. Interesting that blogoviating already has a code like it had been preordained. Here, you can wear this hat and if it's over your ears than by all means ignore everything and go on about the avatar you you you.

word verification...zkommkgb

11/05/2007 08:15:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Who are you Shrub?


IC, when we first met, asked me that question, but I should have asked it of him, and you, instead. I know Richard and I know Surrender and I know Movie Girl....but I don't really know IC, and I don't really know you, and I don't really know Mark and I don't really know Gee To The Three, and it's not because I don't want to know you.

11/05/2007 08:36:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Well, unfortunately I have to respond to you first.

Interesting.

A couple of terms jump out at me here, and I think it only appropriate to point these words out considering the topic.

Unfortunately and Have To.

The arrogance that these several words conveys is astounding.

11/05/2007 08:45:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

What's your purpose here?

I don't know....maybe Chomsky, Corballis or Calvin have the answer.

Seriously though, I'm a spook. I thought you knew that.....everyone else who has been here for any length of time does. I work with Richard....in fact, we are the same person....and this is our ARG. Don't tell Eve or she will put a spell on us.

11/05/2007 08:52:00 PM  
Blogger David said...

I THINK I HAVE THE ANSWER!!!

What if these aliens "speak" only in pantomime and images because they are really very advanced forms of humans coming from the future to our current past and trying to help us. The reason why they only use images for communication is because of YouTube and Google Video which eventually led to the end of language as we know it. Everything was just communicated to us through video and we stopped bothering to speak. Sound farfetched? Well so does every other comment and post in this blog. And yes I am a naysayer, I didnt know having a contrary opinion was a problem on this blog? Dont you wanna be challenged?

:)

11/05/2007 08:53:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Mental masturbation? Can you define "this" in that statement?

Here's an example.

Calvin errors though in suggesting the music was a side-effect of the above two functions. In fact, as Dr. Daniel Levitin and now Professor Oliver Sacks emphasize, not only did music start as the first language but it remains essential for proper brain-body function, as the processor of electrochemicals.

I'm pretty much in agreement with everything else you said, BPH.

Surrender rendered a beautiful, genuine, from the heart post in the last thread and she didn't have to resort to all sorts of sources to express her true thoughts and feelings. I dig her for that....among other things.

11/05/2007 08:58:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

And yes I am a naysayer, I didnt know having a contrary opinion was a problem on this blog? Dont you wanna be challenged?

For the record, I have no problem with your dissent. I just thought it was funny that Arby used the plural. I know he was referring to me, as well, because people automatically assume I'm a naysayer, but I swear I wasn't in dissent on this one.

I actually think your hypothesis is as sound as Sapir-Whorf's, but try getting your ass sucked without the academic credentials.

David, how do you feel about Ron Paul?

11/05/2007 09:04:00 PM  
Blogger friendlyfascism said...

Jeff,

You should check out, if you haven't already, "What the BLEEP do we Know?" which includes, among other things, a section where the Arawak indians are described as unable to see the approaching Columbian ships, because they had no mental categories by which to "see" them. Apparently a shaman of the tribe studied the change in water patterns, and other indications, and was eventually able to "see" the vessels as they drew near.

Perhaps that is the work you and many others on this blog are engaged in, the divination of new signs and symbols, or just the re-recognition of old ones.

11/05/2007 09:12:00 PM  
Blogger David said...

I know nothing about Ron Paul. I dont know what he stands for, I dont know who he is and I cant be bothered googling him. The only thing I know about him is that he makes some people angry but I have no idea why.

Why ask me about politicians or politics? I didnt know we were on the subject anyway.

and what do YOU think about Ron Paul? Apparently you have considered the question and probably have an answer - a subjective one.

:)

11/05/2007 10:14:00 PM  
Blogger David said...

OK you made me curious and I read about Ron Paul on wikipedia. Scanning through the page the only personal conclusion I come to is:

Ron Paul is a Real American Hero. That's what that page says to me. He likes baseball, hot dogs, and delivered 4000 babies before trying to reform Congress and making heaps of laws that never get passed. I think he is honest and genuinely cares about America. I also think he is boring and not very "sexy" as far as candidates go - what I mean by "sexy" is "attention grabbing, gimmicky" - you know like something that would appeal to crowd on ritalin. Basically, he is very grey and just booooorrrrring. Also, i really believe he is on the wrong side of the bell curve if he thinks that NAFTA can be repealed. NAFTA is just the first step. Also thinking that America can become isolationist is totally unreasonable. America cannot be isolationist because it gives aid to half the world and is at war with the other half. How do you become isolationist when oil is at 100 per barrel and Putin is hovering over the arctic circle? And more importantly, how can America be isolationist when it is the last bastion of freedom in this world. Look around, America is it.

:)

11/05/2007 10:26:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"When Tim Russert attempted to dispatch the candidacy of Dennis Kucinich with a question regarding his close encounter, Kucinich replied "It was an Unidenfied Flying Object, okay? It's unidentified - I saw something."

I find this interesting because Kucinich used Jimmy Carter as an example of another politician who had a UFO sighting & this is what Carter was described as saying in reply:

"Former President Jimmy Carter, speaking candidly on a recent episode of "The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe," flatly dismissed claims that in 1969 he witnessed an alien spacecraft. Though he did see a mysterious light in the sky, Carter described it as a UFO only because "it was unidentified, it was flying, and it was an object."

"I have never thought there were extra terrestrial beings on a ship from outer space."

Same answer, different intent.
Curious.

With your riff on language forming the model of what we can or cannot see, I'm also wondering if you've ever read Alan Moore's Lovecraft story 'The Courtyard'?

In the story, the main protagonist is hunting for a drug that will make the Old Gods real. He realizes too late that the drug isn't really a drug at all, it's a word. & once he hears the word the hidden world of Cthulu opens up around him like a budding flower &, once having heard the word, finds that there is no turning back.

"Ur-syntax; the primal vocabulary giving form to those pre-conscious orderings wrung from a hot incoherence of stars, from our birthmuds pooled in the grandmother lagoon; a stark limited palette of earliest notions, lost colors, forgotten intensities.
" Johnny Carcosa delivers the third hit, one more chain of terrible syllables lisped in my ear. New dendrites twitch blindly together, unthinkable fusions occuring. Beneath me, a vortex of marvelous coinage is opened. I let go and fall."

Also, don't you think that if not having words for something keeps us from perceiving it, then the language that we do use helps us to create the walls of our prison. Y'know, when folk like GW, who are obviously not even remotely superior to your average intelligent 10 year old, cruise through life being referred to as one of "the elites"?

In order to free yourself for new perceptions, I would think the first step would require you to jettison alot of your old perceptions.

I think that folk are just too addicted to those old perceptions to ever cut that anchor line.

Freedom, after all, is a fucking scary concept to most, no matter how much they pay lip service to it.

As far as ET's "meaning," there's this from a website called Cosmic Jokers:

"Suppose that a highly advanced consciousness wished to establish a relationship with us. Suppose it decided to make overtures through some form of play. What kind of games might it play with us?

As we saw earlier, the most common types of games are those involving mock-aggression. Perhaps it might occur to such an entity to stage a mock invasion of the Earth for our entertainment.

Yet mock aggression can all too easily be mistaken for genuine hostility. To make it clear that it was only playing, the entity would surely ensure that its mock invasion was so ridiculous that we couldn't possibly mistake it for the real thing. So, we would be invaded by flying trains, by comically tiny aliens, by grotesque coffee smugglers, and by Ufonauts with a penchant for vaudevillian sight gags.

Unfortunately, no-one seems to have got the joke. Like a puppy frightened by his new squeaky toy, we react to the otherworldly comedian in our midst with terror rather than applause.

Perhaps rather than panic over the antics of B-Movie style space invaders, we should instead simply sit back and enjoy the show."

11/05/2007 10:44:00 PM  
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11/06/2007 12:17:00 AM  
Blogger SME said...

Reminds of Borges's "hrar". Daniel Pinchbeck, in "2012", recounted being told by a healer that a painful lump on his shoulder was a blockage at his "attachment point" (a concept most likely invented by Carlos Castenada). This shouldn't have been so, but Pinchbeck found that the lump receded when treated like an "attachment point blockage".

11/06/2007 12:48:00 AM  
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11/06/2007 01:13:00 AM  
Blogger Belliosto said...

Do you remember all encounters you have had with deaf people? Were you grunted at? Did they smile at you no matter what you uttered? Did the deaf person attempt to loudly communicate with you in a garbled embarrassing way, to which you hardly understood anything that he or she may have said? Well the official Father of Total Communication is severely deaf.

Roy Kay Holcomb with three Master's degrees was frustrated by his inability to secure an administrative post because he was deaf. He was discouraged by the restrictions that oralism imposed on young deaf children. Oralism is the method of communication that restricts deaf people to only understanding speech-reading and using speech to communicate. This kind of communication was accepted as mainstream by the deaf and ones that associated closely with the deaf. If a deaf person communicated in another way he was punished and was looked down upon by his own peers as recently as in the 1960's. Roy Kay Holcomb envisioned an all-inclusive approach involving all modes of communication - signing, fingerspelling, oral, aural - to meet the individual needs of each child. There would be no barriers in the classroom.

In the Fall of 1968, Holcomb became the first area supervisor of the deaf program in Santa Ana, California at James Madison Elementary School. This school served 34 deaf students among an enrollment of 800 hearing students. He immediately introduced combined communication at all age levels there, and in 1969, began using the catchy term "Total Communication." He also began hiring deaf teachers and set up sign language classes for the entire community - students, siblings, teachers, and especially parents, who were encouraged to learn sign language as soon as their children were diagnosed as deaf - a revolutionary idea. Interpreting services were provided for deaf students taking mainstreamed classes and participating in schoolwide activities.

This was revolutionary. In 1975 his movement was the fastest-growing movement in the history of education of the deaf. By 1976, more deaf children were learning via Total Communication than by any other means of communication. At its 48th Meeting on May 5, 1976, The Conference of Educational Administrators of Schools and Programs for the Deaf(CEASD) officially adopted this definition: "Total Communication is a philosophy requiring the incorporation of appropriate aural, manual, and oral modes of communication with and among hearing-impaired persons." By bringing sign language back into the classroom, TC represented a break with the rigid oral/aural method that had been dominating education of the deaf since the late 19th century.

Wanting to give hearing people a better understanding of the "Deaf experience," he published three books of quips, anecdotes, and whimsical observations - Hazards of Deafness (1977), Silence is Golden, Sometimes (1979), and Deaf Culture: Our Way (1995).

Generally, individuals suffering from impaired hearing encounter varying degrees of difficulty relating to academic success and linguistic development, as well as in social and emotional adjustment. At the core of these problems rests a breakdown in the process of communication. Language, viewed as a structured system of signs or symbols including the rules that stipulate how they may be used, provides the vehicle for communication. To the extent that impaired hearing diminishes or precludes the acquisition of linguistic information, the communication process is proportionally affected. Thus, an objective of (re)habilitation is to help these individuals become more communicatively able by increasing their "linguistic pool" of information.

The preferred use of the Simultaneous Method (defined here as the synchronization of speech and Manual English) as part of the Total Communication approach, especially within an educational setting, may be viewed as potentially providing the aurally handicapped individual with an improved model for communication based on multimodality involvement. Thus, with the spoken aspect of a given message providing both aural and oral cues and clues that a person may be able to profit from through the use of amplification and speechreading, in close synchronization with the use of corresponding signs and/or fingerspelling which are transmitted within the syntactic and grammatical structure of the English language (Manual English), the hearing-impaired individual then may be exposed to a richer and more viable educational experience aimed at helping him become more able to communicate with his hearing peers.

11/06/2007 01:57:00 AM  
Blogger War Negger said...

Rub out the 'Blogosphere.'

please? thanks.

11/06/2007 02:18:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

I love that image, Jeff.

On this 'total communication' theme and Jeff's theme of symbols/concepts as demarcating the basic architecture for thoughts, it's like it can either open or close further thought, though either way it can parse and encourage a certain amalgam of thought/concept/experience we live in.

I've often thought it would be a luxury to lie back and read a book with your eyes closed, resting (via braille--in other words using braille for other purposes than simply a 'handicapped language' for the blind). Braille as another medium of communication for everyone.

Or knowing braille and running your hands over strange surfaces that were not braille and watching the thoughts that would form based on what particular bumps might feel like if they had been braille. Like reading a sandblasted wall.

It reminds me of the rare times when you are lying down and see a human face upside down and your mind 'reads the face' right side up (as some strange monster with a pointy head and a bushy beard with a huge gash in its forehead and eyes almost covered by the beard, then 'your mind changes its mind' and calls that a mouth, then you can recognize the face once more as a face...)

Thats what any good writing can do. Help the mind change its mind.

Different software for the same experiential world all the time...

11/06/2007 02:38:00 AM  
Blogger War Negger said...

Written 1912-20. Read in New York 1967 Some Texts from à l'infintif (4:06) [listen]

11/06/2007 02:41:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

"Braille as another medium of communication for everyone."


Oh, there's an enchantingly novel word-thought. ;-)

11/06/2007 02:49:00 AM  
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11/06/2007 04:28:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Rafting Bear, I neither believe nor dis-believe your abduction story, but I am curious if you're familiar with Dr. Karla Turner or Melinda Leslie?
Both women recount similar alien abduction scenarios, but they also say that their alien abductions were then followed up by a series of apparent military abductions.

"“…I was struggling with them as I was coming off the helicopter. I don’t understand why they’re taking me in there. I felt a sudden chill. It’s cold. There’s a man on each side of me holding my arms tightly. They’re taking me into a building…I see men seated along the left side of a conference room table. The man in the blue uniform is standing to my right. A man decorated with military pins is standing at the opposite end of the table… somebody is giving me a shot in the right arm. It feels like a tetanus shot. The guys in the in the uniform are still holding me tightly… They look like military people… real short hair… They don’t look familiar… They force me into a chair… I am just feeling dizzy… The man form the helicopter said: ‘here she is. She’s a cocky little bitch.’ Then somebody on the other side of the room said; ‘Well, we’ll just take care of that!’… Somebody came up from behind me and put a jacket around my shoulders…”

Interestingly, Leah Haley recalled a similar brainwashing scenario as Melinda Leslie. She also has no memory of what they asker her before.

“…There’s a man talking to me. He is telling me I haven’t seen anything. He is not very nice. I don’t see him because I’m so dizzy. I’m leaning my head over. First he was on the other side of the room, but now he comes close to me and sort of props himself up against the table. He said; ‘You didn’t see a spaceship’… They are angry… ‘It’s none of your damned business… You hadn’t seen anything… You don’t know anything’. There is a lady with a blue uniform in the room. She brought in a tape recorder. She laid it on the end of the table at the other end of the room…”

The husband of the late Dr. Karla Turner, Casey Turner, also recalled an abduction where he was drugged, taken to a military underground facility and interrogated by a military officer. Inside the underground area he saw large man-made storage tanks, with a building constructed into the side of the tunnel or a big cavern. Casey was escorted by men through doors into a waiting area, where he saw lots of people.

Casey believes that they interrogated and drugged these people too. He remembered the following: “…They are all sitting there, sort of in a daze, like they’ve been drugged. Just waiting for somebody to come and take them away… I keep getting the feeling that there’s a military officer who’s real angry… Real impatient… I don’t have a face to connect with it, but there’s a military officer that I’m not cooperating with… yeah, I am not cooperating and they’re real perplexed… I’m not cooperating with them… I’m not in the state of mind they want me to be in… I get the feeling they want to know, maybe there’re trying to find out what it is we know… I see a military dress uniform… Green military dress uniform… I can tell gray hair, clean-shaven… I’m escorted by the guard out of the room. We turn left, we turn right and go for some distance.”

“…There are doors, they aren’t paneled, just steel doors… Now I’m in a small room where I see only three pieces of furniture, just a metal chair, straight-backed, and I’m sitting in the chair. And a desk, plain military-type with nothing on top. With an officer standing behind it. He’s got a chair, but he’s not sitting in it. The guard stands outside and shuts the door. It’s just me and this officer guy. Like he’s in charge. And I don’t like him, so I won’t answer his questions… I’m fighting; I’m rebelling… I can her him yelling…’Tell me, Tell me…’ That’s all I can remember…”

Lisa (pseudonym for one of Helmut’s cases) was also interrogated by her military kidnappers. In August of 1993, Lisa had an alien encounter, only to be followed the next night by a military kidnapping. The first night Lisa had what she called a reality-like dream of traveling in a spaceship with a Grey alien. The being was telepathically instructing her how to make the craft maneuver around objects. The Grey told her that the craft could sense objects and maneuver around them.

The following night Lisa had a traumatic flashback that she experienced as: “…I was being interrogated by the military and pushed around. I was on the ground with my hands on the back of my head, with a gun pushing and holding me down. Men in green military clothes were asking me questions. While men in black military clothes were in the background by the military vehicles. They kept saying over and over, to give them the knowledge, and they said at any cost… do you understand? At any cost!”

After this Lisa’s memory ended, and she wrote in her journal that she couldn’t figure out what it was the military men wanted to know. In December, she remembered lying on a stretcher and being pushed down a hallway that was lit with bright lights. Something was inserted into her left ear, and she passed out. She remembered also men wearing business suits. One of these men caller her by her maiden name.

After some time she got more flashbacks of what occurred during this encounter: “…all of a sudden I’m surrounded by men in black clothes and some military men dressed in green.” Lisa was force to walk very quickly across the grounds of the installation…” the soldiers were rude to me… I told them to stop pushing on me. I was very irritated by them. Then we went into an office of some type…. A man was sitting behind the desk. He was wearing solid green military type clothes, but had not nametag or medals on it. He started asking me questions about what I felt about the aliens. It seemed like he was wondering how to get the public prepared. I told him that a lot of the public was already aware, and some would never accept it…”

During another interrogation, she met the same man as before. He told her that she was the key to understanding. “…He was saying it’s in my head and it had to be unlocked, and that I belong to the Government. Also, men in green military clothes were standing beside me with guns, and I thought there were some men in black uniforms behind me. I remember standing up and then being make to sit in an old wooden chair in a concrete-floored room. He wore military clothes and kept tapping me with his fingers on the front and sides of my head, like he was frustrated with me…”

Again the sentence: “It’s in your head, and it had to be unlocked,” points to a hypno-programmed courier or spy. Helmut presents more evidence in his MILABs book of cases with such dissociative programming."

Does any of that sound familiar?

http://www.anw.com/ML/lecture.htm

&

http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/kidnapped.html

give more detailed info.


Of course, none of what's quoted above is much different from the classic, and sometimes apocryphal, Men in Black stories.

An excellent book on these experiences is The Truth Behind The Men In Black by Jenny Randles.

The impetus for this book may have been some publisher's wish to cash in on Will Smith as an MIB, but, in my opinion, Randles is a fair-minded researcher & the stories are interesting.

The cases with multiple witnesses are the most interesting.

For example, a girl Randles gives the name Shirley Greenfield, was walking home one night in 1976 when she had a classic close encounter. Terrified, she races home only to find 1/2 hour is missing.

She then begins to experience physical symptoms; among these were the crumbling into powder of all the fillings in her top teeth.

She initially tells a local ufo investigator about her sighting but because of her now poor health & other reasons, she & her parents decide that it is best that they tell no one else of this occurrence.

10 days later 2 classic MIB show up at her house and interrogate the girl in front of her parents.

Although they behave belligerently, the girl's father finds himself unable to throw them out.

In the end, they deliver the same "shutta you mouth" advice.





& Mr. Wells, you have the dubious(?) distinction of a mention in the latest US issue of Fortean Times. The letters section has Patrick Harpur correcting a quote from a previous issue. Said quote was originally attributed to Mr. Harpur, but he says that they quoted you instead.

11/06/2007 05:34:00 AM  
Blogger CuriosityShop said...

Shrub
You never cease to amaze me,

“Surrender rendered a beautiful, genuine, from the heart post in the last thread and she didn't have to resort to all sorts of sources to express her true thoughts and feelings. I dig her for that....among other things.”

How like an arrow that pierced my heart. It’s what I’ve been trying to do my whole life. Communicate with another human being. Take all these swirling dreams, thoughts, ideas, and oh yes songs, that float around through my body and sing them out, shout them out, but I can’t. It all comes out corrupted in some way. Garbled and inane.

I’ve stood around and stamped my foot at God my whole life. How dare you make me like this? What kind of joke is this? Make me see and feel and hear all this beauty that surrounds me, and I so want to share it, make others see it, hear it , feel it. And it all comes out of me like Howdy Doody.

It makes me mad and oh so sad.

Just like I can’t “grok” what Drew is saying, I can’t put my words in any complete sentence that anyone can “grok” what I’m saying.

Oh and it hurts so bad!

Am I the only one like this? Am I flawed, I think so. And I think it’s a very cruel joke.

I love the way the kids are communicating with each other through youtube. They take images from video games and put them to music, and send a double whammy message through the techno media information highway.
I so can “grok” this stuff-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwrtDrQX1lQ
Kingdom Hearts – Nickelback If everyone cared.

The bait is the means to get the fish where you want it,
catch the fish and you forget the bait.
The snare is the means to get the rabbit where you want it,
catch the rabbit and forget the snare.
Words are the means to get the idea where you want it,
catch on to the idea and you forget about the words.
Where shall I find a man who forgets about words,
and have a word with him?
- Chuang Tzu


Creation seems to come out of imperfection. It seems to come out of a striving and a frustration, and this is where I think language came from. It came from our desire to transcend our isolation and have some sort of connection with one another. And it had to be easy when it was just simple survival. Like the word water, we came up with a sound for that, or saber tooth tiger right behind you, we came up with a sound for that. But when it gets really interesting is when we use that same system of symbols to communicate all the abstract and intangible things that we're experiencing. What is frustration? Or what is anger? Or love? When I say love, the sound comes out of my mouth and it hits the other person's ear, travels through this byzantine conduit in their brain, through their memories of love, or lack of love, and they register what I'm saying and they say yes, they understand. But how do I know they understand, because words are inert, they're just symbols, they're dead, you know? And so much of our experience is intangible. So much of what we perceive cannot be expressed. It's unspeakable. And yet, you know when we communicate with one another, and we feel that we've connected, and we think that we're understood, I think we have a feeling of almost spiritual communion. And that feeling might be transient, but I think it's what we live for.
- _Waking Life_ directed by Richard Linklater

It’s what I’ve wanted my whole life, to be understood, to connect, to have a spiritual communion with another human being.

Is that even possible with words?

11/06/2007 06:26:00 AM  
Blogger middleworld said...

The problem with boundary experiences is that there are no real boundaries. When does day become night, or night become day? When is a human a human- the orangutan has four opposable thumbs! - and I've seen a dog cry. When does waking consciousness end and dream consciousness begin? AT what exact point does love become hate?

As there is no clear boundary between human and animal, there must then be no clear boundary between human and alien. Just as there is no clear boundary between "inside" and "outside" in the lexicon of conspiracy theory. Words are music if you don't know what they mean, but less open to malicious subversion. The word "Democracy" can be made to sound dirty, just as the word "socialism" sounds now in this country, but the Ode to Joy will probably always be just that, to those that have ears to hear let them hear.

At what point is one brainwashed and at what point is one thinking freely?

The reason we can't communicate clearly about the control mechanism, the "inside", the secret government, and that when we try we get labeled crazy, is because it is SO ALIEN, as Jeff said in his last post, even though we have words for it, alien to everything we have been taught, to everything we want to believe, so alien, but then aren't we all?

And because there is no clear boundary between freedom and servitude.

There are no clear dividing lines, and everything contradicts itself.

SO! Enjoy self-reliance! It's the real thing, the way you want it to be, self-reliance.

Not sure where the self begins or ends though.

Can you tell the difference between a sunrise and a sunset, if I show you a picture of each?

11/06/2007 06:42:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Yes, Yes, it is possible couriousityshop, even within the limitations of words. All will have much to say when a wider context has been established, words of joy and understanding. I wrote the following before reading your latest missive, and I for one feel and appreciate a connection to you and many others here on our oasis of semi-lucid eccentrics.

(This results from my pondering on BPH's comments about Jeff's appeal via authenticity.)

Love that montage Jeff, yes, here we are standing stoically looking together at some distant undefined object, -expressing our collective unconsciousness, and it seems to have no intention of letting us in on the joke.

11/06/2007 06:52:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Middleworld, I agree that self-reliance is key because it seems that then, one is more able to balance order and spontaneity, whereas when one attaches to an ideology, an unbalanced expression is required if you want to keep getting the gravy.

(and excuse my bad spelling earlier, I was overexcited)

11/06/2007 07:30:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

So what are we? Without each other, we are unsane. Without communication we descend into the clay and muck that we're made from.
This thread reminds me of the post by IC of the hawk that suddenly flew up from the carpet and his youngster postulated that "he had something to do with that" when, in fact, nature has a camoflage that protects the mind from seeing more than it can comprehend.

Is there a mouse in the house? No there isn't but there are mouse droppings so ...

There is a house.

11/06/2007 09:40:00 AM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

There is a house......a House of Cards.

11/06/2007 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger Rafting Bear said...

just_another_dick said...
Rafting Bear, I neither believe nor dis-believe your abduction story, but I am curious if you're familiar with Dr. Karla Turner or Melinda Leslie?


Karla Turner's name is slightly familiar. Leslie I haven't heard of.

I did a fair amount of reading into this phenomenon when it first started happening to me (or, rather, when I first became aware it was happening to me). But that was 20 years ago.

I did not have a "MIB" encounter that I know of. However, when I was active in the online abductee support group, I'm pretty sure my phone was tapped and almost every night, helicopters with searchlights hovered over my New Hampshire apartment building for hours at a time.

As you may know, abductees tend to be groggy and not clear-headed during abductions. Even after I had decided to cooperate, on one occasion when I was being carried down the stairs, I kicked one of the little guys who had me into the wall of the stairwell and down to the bottom. The dent in the drywall was still there in the morning. I must have kicked hard.

Visitors also commented on the non-human footprints that stained my rug.

I did encounter a person who said she worked "for the government", both online and in person. But she never really threatened me. Well, maybe she did but not so I was could say for sure it was her.

She had bragged (and demonstrated) that she was a "full clairvoyant" and could make me "feel" her psychically. One night, on the night of the week and at the time she often contacted me, I felt a pressure on my heart and difficulty breathing. Somehow I knew I was being attacked. Mentally I "followed" the trail and sent LOVE along it as the visitors had taught me. There was a startled squeak and the pressure stopped.

Does that count?

11/06/2007 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

loose comments from many above:

"Consider some everyday life-situations, objects or activities as if they were precisely the opposite of what you customarily take them to be. Imagine yourself in a situation the reverse of your own, where you have inclinations and wishes exactly contrary to your usual ones."

For consumer behavior examples, me being bioregionally inclined, I think about that everyday as I'm faced with purchasing decisions (or lack thereof) that are in many cases decided for me long before I actually purchase something.

Sure, I’m offered a choice though limited choices or all the social strings attached of certain production or packaging issues, etc., categorically are nothing I would choose if given a real choice. A lot of the Commodity Ecology arena is about consciously assembling more bioregionally ideal interrelationships of commodities and technologies that are intentionally chosen for sustainability instead of chosen for short-term issues of profit and environmental degradation implications. To 'structurate choice backgrounds' more appropriately for sustainability so such sustainability is automatic instead of something you have to go out of your way to do or accomplish... What if all the choices you faced in life when you wake up each day were only sustainable choices?

"No doubt our hunting and gathering ancestors relied on the entire ecosytem they found themselves in as a sort of extended nervous system. All of the sights, sounds and smells of an environment and the other nervous systems within it, many of them with qualitatively different and or keener sensory systems, might provide information essential for suvival. Maybe the problem is not so much that a lack of language renders perception blank, but that our brains are unnable to categorize such information and therefore we cannot even produce the internal model of reality that is after all all that we can know or "perceive".

I think about that a lot in reference to the ideological and material clientelisms most of us experience everyday via raw material regimes that our lives are client to without our input.

Most of us who are internet connected obviously live in particular locations though our connections are mediated by commodities and ideas invented sometimes 200-300 years ago in completely different locations or with materials we consume from a 1,000 miles away or more. There's little that is particularly tangible about our mediation to a particular place. And that style of life has a lot to do with environmental degradation and assembling mass clientelistic behavior that encourges raw material regimes to degrade the environment.

Anybody who wants to get into how categories have historically changed in Europe should read (or try to read) Michel Foucault’s the Order of Things: An Archaeology of the Human Sciences.


Curiosityshop said:

"It’s what I’ve wanted my whole life, to be understood, to connect, to have a spiritual communion with another human being.

Is that even possible with words?"



If language were liquid, it would be rushing in,
Though instead here we are in a silence more eleoquent
Than any words can ever be….

These words are too solid, they don’t move fast enough,
To catch the blur in the brain, that slides by,
And is gone,
Gone,
Gone,
Gone,
And is gone.

--Suzanne Vega


"At what point is one brainwashed and at what point is one thinking freely?”

When you have slowly analyzed all your categories you inherited? Of course you require experiential variation to note many things about your assumptions. Travel, talking with people of different ethnicities, classes, religions, people differently abled/handicapped, etc.

Perhaps that is why most people love to travel in groups from their home country, so they don't really travel intellectually when they travel physically...

The internet offers an armchair version of this, though only to those who seek it out.

11/06/2007 12:18:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

OK Dr. Daniel Levitin and I corresponded a few times -- he just stated that my focus was more "metaphysical" than him -- whatever that means. But the key point with Levitin is that he is a protege of Karl Pribram, the holographic paradigm neuropsychologist at Stanford. Well since my review of Sack's new book was mainly a fun put-down I didn't really expect a response and the article, published at http://mind-energy.net went over everyone's head.

The details are of course at my blogbook.

As for mental masturbation -- consider last night's fun:

Yeah last night "bubba" sat down, devoted to my McD's full-lotus: homeless, black, brawny, closeted, drugged up. He got neither the 99 cents, nor my double cheeseburger, but he did ask me if my asshole was stretched wide enough yet and he returned to my booth several times. Our talk ran the gambit -- I just kept shooting oxytocin into his cerebrum.

11/06/2007 01:21:00 PM  
Blogger sigeweald said...

I've often wondered might the complex symbols exhibited in numerous crop circles actually be subliminal messages or represent communication not perceived on the conscious level?

11/06/2007 03:18:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

You guys should see my Doodles. Everywhere I have worked, I have received numerous compliments for them. One woman at my last job wanted to buy them from me....I told her they weren't for sale, but she could have them free if she so desired.

They are crop circles for intents and purposes. When people ask me what they mean, I tell them it's my notes, but truly, I have no earthly clue (pun intended) what they mean....when I draw them I am often not conscious of what I'm doing, but I can say that it is highly pleasurable to draw them......I internally climax multiple times and shoot oxytocin out of my third eye all over the walls and into people's hypothalamuses causing them to exhibit homosexual tendencies and consume mass quantities of beer and potato chips.

11/06/2007 03:33:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Gerald Hawkins' crop circle analysis is considered definitive. He as an astronomy Ph.D. from Boston College and he published an article in a math journal challenging anyone to reproduce the secret music proof he found in Euclid.

No one could respond -- in fact the proof he relies on is well-known in music theory. For example the 3-4-5 triangle is 3:4 as the Perfect 4th and 4:5 as the Major Third.

Even still Hawkins doesn't understand that those ratios are ASYMMETRIC (unlike Euclid's symmetric-based proof). So the music intervals C to G as Perfect 5th equal G to C as a Perfect 4th, thereby violating the commutative principle which Euclid relied on.

Hawkins is just reproducing Western math -- but since it's gematria the New Age scene eats it up.

As far as my 3rd Eye goes -- it's just like a geiger counter. The vagus nerve just pulsates and it makes a clicking noise against my jaw. If there's strong yin (3:4) energy then the yang (2:3) energy just automatically flows into it.

For men who have their consciousness focused in the lower half of their body (because they are controlled by the commodity fetish Matrix) then they get confused real quick, although they also get their energy recharged. So the synapses get rearranged.

11/06/2007 06:04:00 PM  
Blogger David said...

huh? galactic soul i only understand the pronouns you used in your post. do you think you could explain better rather than jumping around in such a confusing manner.

why is it that people who have these amazing theories on things that are considered fringe by normal society are always impossibly unable to communicate their ideas effectively?

even here we are talking about different types of communications and communicating in different manners and everyone of you snake charmers/ witch doctors are unable to clearly announciate any principles or alternatively announciate them in such a way that you jump from music to UFOs to big brother to nothingness to space travel to third eyes to cumming in your cerebrums.

maybe this is just a place for people to type random words in posts and together we create a story that makes no sense and does not even really interact with each other.

i was asked if i like ron paul - i responded but it was forgotten. why ask? and then i trudge through posts that are so confusing i CANNOT GRASP THEM. i am not dumb, but help a brother out.

whew. thanks for letting me rant.

11/06/2007 06:12:00 PM  
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11/06/2007 06:25:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

OK neuro-nanotechnology is the next big revolution (like steam and electricity). This means that the proprioreception of the inner ear will be combined with language processing and body movements and then eventually with even the heart-mind.

You can have my stuff the easy way - - like my three very accessible qigong articles:

http://www.mind-energy.net/archives/246-The-Highest-Technology-of-All-Technologies-The-Yan-Xin-Secret.html

Or the hard way, my blogbook:

http://mothershiplanding.blogspot.com.

Or you can bypass both and just buy these two book:

"In Search of the Miraculous" by Oupensky. Tear out his shit and just keep his quotes of Gurdjieff. Oupensky was clueless and distracted a lot of people.

"Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" trans. by Charles Luk.

That gives the real practical details that even Gurdjieff did not provide. Also Gurdjieff tries to translate this stuff into a Western philosophy and Westerners just grab the translation while losing the meaning that Taoist Yoga provides.

11/06/2007 06:34:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

This from the frontlines:

BRAZIL: GUARDS SHOOT ACTIVISTS PROTESTING GENETIC MODIFICATION
RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil, Nov. 1, 2007 (IPS/GIN) -- Armed guards recently attacked a group of roughly 200 rural activists who were for the second time occupying a Swiss-owned research farm in Brazil.

11/06/2007 07:14:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

777..It's interesting to see you actually address a poster. Who knew you were talking about nanos?

Ron Paul raised 2.5 million at his blogsite yesterday. CNN under reported the total but the fact is they reported it. The power of the internet is real enough. I prefer Dodd.

11/06/2007 09:05:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

"BRAZIL: GUARDS SHOOT ACTIVISTS PROTESTING GENETIC MODIFICATION
RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil, Nov. 1, 2007 (IPS/GIN) -- Armed guards recently attacked a group of roughly 200 rural activists who were for the second time occupying a Swiss-owned research farm in Brazil."


Hands down, the Terminator and GM completely has the whole world against it. Ironic that the violence of agricultural corporations occurred in Brazil, where the world (via the last U.N. meeting where it came up) recently agreed to continue the ban on Terminator technology, and in Brazil, where there is a national ban on the Terminator technology (like in India).

However, the Anglo-American media forgot to tell you about this. More details below.

Below as well is a link for a nice hour long talk of the documented health dangers of GMOs--and the neoslavery corporations that want to own life and introduce such things even though they know of massive health problems that started with its introduction in the 1980s.

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Terminator Seed Rejected In UN Meeting In Brazil!

From Multiple Sources
3-25-2006 [note date]

Just an hour ago here in Brazil, the Chair of the UN meeting announced that governments have agreed to reject language that would have undermined the moratorium on Terminator.

Groups, communities and individuals across the world have joined together in this fight to ban Terminator and your action has been effective in this important first step.

The Ban Terminator Campaign will continued to monitor the meetings today and next week.

Terminator rejection - a victory for the people

A broad coalition of peasant farmers, indigenous peoples and civil society today celebrate the firm rejection of efforts to undermine the global moratorium on Terminator technologies - genetically engineered sterile seeds - at the UN Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD) in Curitiba, Brazil.

"This is a momentous day for the 1.4 billion poor people world wide, who depend on farmer saved seeds," said Francisca Rodriguez of Via Campesina a world wide movement of peasant farmers, "Terminator seeds are a weapon of mass destruction and an assault on our food sovereignty. Terminator directly threatens our life, our culture and our identity as indigenous peoples", said Viviana Figueroa of the Ocumazo indigenous community in Argentina on behalf of the International Indigenous Forum on Biodiversity.

"Todays' decision is a huge step forward for the Brazilian Campaign against GMOs," said Maria Rita Reis from the Brazilian Forum of Social movements and NGOs, "This reaffirms Brazils' existing ban on Terminator. It sends a clear message to the national government and congress that the world supports a ban on Terminator."

"Common sense has prevailed--lifting the Moratorium on the Terminator seeds would have been suicidal ­ literally," said Greenpeace International's Benedikt Haerlin from the Convention meeting. "This is a genuine victory for civil society around the world - it will go a long way to ensuring that biodiversity, food security and the livelihoods of millions of farmers around the world are protected."

Terminators, or GURTS (Genetic Use Restriction Technologies), are a class of genetic engineering technologies which allow companies to introduce seeds whose sterile offspring cannot reproduce, preventing farmers from re-planting seeds from their harvest. The seeds could also be used to introduce specific traits which would only be triggered by the application of proprietary chemicals by the same companies.

At the CBD, Australia, Canada and New Zealand along with the US government (not a party to the CBD) [thus a biodiversity 'rogue state'?] and a number of biotech companies were leading attempts to open the door to field testing of Terminator seeds by insisting on 'case by case' assessment of such technologies.

This [Anglo-American corporate] text was unanimously rejected today in the CBD's working group dealing with the issue.

It still needs to be formally adopted by the plenary of the CBD.

Despite today's victory, there is no doubt that the multinational biotech industry will continue to push sterile seed technology.

'Terminator' will rear its ugly head at the next UN CBD meeting in 2008.

The only solution a total ban on the technology once and for all," concluded Pat Mooney of the Ban Terminator Campaign. Now all national governments must enact national bans on Terminator as Brazil and India have done.

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http://www.rense.com/general70/term.htm

And from the author of Seeds of Deception, an hour-long talk by the author about his book on GM-crops:

The REAL Reasons You Want to
Avoid Genetically Modified Foods
(Jeffrey Smith, on his book Seeds of Deception)

59 min 57 sec
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2108022965800005689&hl=en

Smith's book has been out for a while. With the proper popularizing it hopefully could be the next 'The Jungle' (by Upton Sinclair) or even 'Silent Spring' (by Rachel Carson).

If you want to give out that news story and video link, they are from here as well.
http://commodityecology.blogspot.com/2007/06/10-vegetable-based-food.html
It has a list of more rationales for opposing this technology as well.

Over 1000 people saw that video yesterday from the tally.

11/07/2007 12:33:00 AM  
Blogger War Negger said...

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11/07/2007 02:27:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"Does that count?"

Seriously RB, it wasn't a test, I've just never met an abductee.
I visited your website & you didn't appear to be a babbling looney so I thought I'd ask you a question.

You also say that a hole was made in a wall & odd footprints were noticed, so I'm wondering if you photographed either?

I'm not being snarky here. If I were just abducted by ET/fairies/interdimensional beings/etc., I'd immediately think that no one in their right mind will believe it so I'd want something that could pass for physical evidence.




"Speaking of Ron Paul, I’m getting really tired of the way his self-serving definition of the word “freedom”. Nevermind the fact that the very word “freedom” has evolved since the founding of this country, in Ron Paul world, if you vote for another candidate then you hate freedom. This is the same sort of Orwellian wordplay that I despise about the Bush Administration.

"Finally, shame on the New York Times for helping the Ron Paul campaign play their semantic games by printing a letter to the editor from Bruce Fein chastising Hillary Clinton and every other presidential candidate besides Ron Paul for not signing the “American Freedom Pledge”. All of the Democratic candidates have signed on to a virtually identical (and Ron Paul supported) “American Freedom Pledge”, which kinda contradicts the letter’s implicit claim that Democrats don’t oppose torture, restoring habeas corpus, etc. More importantly, the Times failed to note that the letter’s author, Bruce Fein, is a member of Ron Paul’s campaign. You’d think that would merit a mention."



Any thoughts Paul-ists?

I can honestly say that I dislike everyone running for Prez, other than my usual favorites, Mike Hunt & Ben Dover, that is, but I am curious to know how y'all answer one liberal's critique.


"As far as my 3rd Eye goes -- it's just like a geiger counter. The vagus nerve just pulsates and it makes a clicking noise against my jaw."

You might want to hop a plane to Iran G. I have a feeling they're going to be needing a few good geiger counters real effing soon.

"Tucked inside the White House's $196 billion emergency funding request for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is an item that has some people wondering whether the administration is preparing for military action against Iran.

The item: $88 million to modify B-2 stealth bombers so they can carry a newly developed 30,000-pound bomb called the massive ordnance penetrator, or, in military-speak, the MOP.

The MOP is the the military's largest conventional bomb, a super "bunker-buster" capable of destroying hardened targets deep underground. The one-line explanation for the request said it is in response to "an urgent operational need from theater commanders."

What urgent need? The Pentagon referred questions on this to Central Command.

ABC News called CENTCOM to ask what the "urgent operational need" is. CENTCOM spokesman Maj. Todd White said he would look into it, but, so far, no answer.

There doesn't appear to be any potential targets for a bomb like that in Iraq. It could potentially be used on Taliban or al Qaeda hideouts in the caves along the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan, but there would be no need to use a stealth bomber there.

So where would the military use a stealth bomber armed with a 30,000-pound bomb like this? Defense analysts say the most likely target for this bomb would be Iran's flagship nuclear facility in Natanz, which is both heavily fortified and deeply buried.

"You'd use it on Natanz," said John Pike of GlobalSecurity.org. "And you'd use it on a stealth bomber because you want it to be a surprise. And you put in an emergency funding request because you want to bomb quickly."


Although, given those inconvenient global weather patterns, staying here might be best, since I'm sure the cloud of irradiated goo that will most surely drift this way will give new meaning to the phrase "blowback."



&, on a happy note, a bipartisan group of six congressmen—Jones (R-NC), Delahunt (D-MA), Abercrombie (D-HI), Brady (D-PA), Gilchrest (R-MD) and Ron Paul (R-TX)—have introduced a bill strengthening the 1973 War Powers Act.

Actually it would be a happy note if it had more than a snowballs chance in Hell of passing.
The crazy thing about nurturing snowballs under extreme conditions is that it usually requires the nurturers to have balls in the first place.
The last politician I can remember having a set of balls was Cynthia McKinney but everyone knows what happened to her.

Conspiracy-minded folk make a big deal out of the Skull & Bones-like influence over politics, but no conspiracy theorist I've ever read seems to have a problem with most US politicians quite obvious affiliation with a secret society called The Skoptzy.

Come to think of it, those de-testicled "elite" in Washington didn't do much with the 1973 version of the War Powers Act, sooooooooooo anyone believing the new improved incarnation will save the day probably deserves the boot-heel of "the elite" on their un-Skoptzy-ed gonads.

Either way I think my "happy note" forecast was premature & totally unwarranted. Just blame my crushed flat testes for influencing my quite daft attempt to sing, "If happy little bluebirds fly beyond the rainbow, why oh why can't I?"

BTW, that last bit wasn't a Monarch embed designed to trigger Shrub's alter.

& what proof do we have of that, you say?

Why, because I'm Shrub's alter.

Always remember, in a complicated world, it's the simple things we appreciate best.

Speaking of myself, if anyone here enjoys a good ufo story as much as I do, but really enjoys a good ufo hoax story, do yourself a favor & look up the British Ufo Invasion of 1967.

During this "invasion," 6 saucer shaped craft were discovered in fields all across Britain.
The comedy of errors that constituted the authorities response, not to mention their complete inability to keep reporters away, should lay to rest anyone's idea of "crash retrieval teams" & "ufo crash cover-ups."

Almost everyone involved, both police & RAF personnel, when interviewed today, responds that they truly believed they had found "flying saucers."
As one government official said, "We took it seriously. we took it very seriously, in actual fact. I never imagined anything else other than a spaceship."

When asked if the saucers diminutive size made them suspicious, the same govt. official said, "No. After all, how big are little green men."

Yet their response was so utterly inept, folk would be served best worrying about that ineptness instead of any "cover-up" fantasies. Unless, of course, you somehow believe that the US military is somehow more intelligent & more efficient than the British military.

In one case, RAF personnel, while loading "the saucer" onto a truck, split "the saucer" open spraying onlookers with a foul smelling liquid that was used by the hoaxers to give the saucers weight.

In another case they attempted to use a geiger counter on the farmer who owned one field where a saucer was found. The farmer said, "Bugger off. I'm not having that-I've got work to do." Said farmer then drove his tractor into the field followed by a large number of reporters who weren't once shot at or threatened with a sound thrashing.

Since the "saucers" were placed in a straight line along the 51.5 degree of latitude one UFO group ponderously stated, "This is called orthoteny, or the plotting of flying saucers along straight lines".
Another ufologist was intrigued because the saucer line bisected an existing ley line.

In reality, the hoaxers chose their pattern because "it was closest to the A4".


& Mark, I'm sorry, but any species that has 59 million members dumb enough to think George Bush is qualified to lead anyone anywhere is in dire need of some genetic modification.

If it has to through their super-sized Happy Meals, then I say so be it.

11/07/2007 06:12:00 AM  
Blogger CuriosityShop said...

david said:

even here we are talking about different types of communications and communicating in different manners and everyone of you snake charmers/ witch doctors are unable to clearly announciate any principles or alternatively announciate them in such a way that you jump from music to UFOs to big brother to nothingness to space travel to third eyes to cumming in your cerebrums.

maybe this is just a place for people to type random words in posts and together we create a story that makes no sense and does not even really interact with each other. oh yeah...

i was asked if i like ron paul - i responded but it was forgotten. why ask? and then i trudge through posts that are so confusing i CANNOT GRASP THEM. i am not dumb, but help a brother out.

whew. thanks for letting me rant.


david that was wonderful.

just like that photo, (by the way I looked and looked but didn't see any girls in that photo). The girls are gonna save you guys asses by the way.

And the Ron Paul thing was from several posts ago where a big argument took place and ... it's a long story.

It's a madhouse here, get out while you can. I have said I'm leaving here about twenty times now.

But nice to meet you david, and you made me laugh.

that was great!

11/07/2007 06:19:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

david said....

"i was asked if i like ron paul - i responded but it was forgotten. why ask? and then i trudge through posts that are so confusing i CANNOT GRASP THEM. i am not dumb, but help a brother out."

Brother david, I will try, maybe it can help us both out. First off, Shrub does not care for the libertarian bit and he wants to get an angle on you. You did well with your response as most folk here present apolitical pretences. As to your confusion and inability to grasp; not to worry we are all confused. (excepting G3, of course) The subject is after all; ‘The Unnamable’. So, in trying to reach beyond the current boundaries of understanding we are bound to ‘muddy up’ the conceptual structures that drive our perceptions. The trick (Alchemy) is to find within this insecurity the motivation to create new and better conceptual structures. We want the ‘true name’ of stuff; we want the form (of understanding) to display rather than occlude its substance.

As for the poster that continually makes self referential statements, he is new here, and cannot seem to grok that projecting strong chi is sometimes socially negative (retarded). Oh yeah, and also, people that are obsessive often present great information because of their focus, yet where they point to with the information is not to be trusted because of their obvious need to control more than just their own space.

“whew. thanks for letting me rant.” Oh no, Please, -Thank you.

“why is it that people who have these amazing theories on things that are considered fringe by normal society are always impossibly unable to communicate their ideas effectively?”

In current culture we seem to have lost our sense for the multi level potentials of meaning within a particular expression. You need to read some Meister Echart or Jacob Bohme and you may better appreciate efforts at rising above the limitations of circumstance. (I read Abraham Heschel for this.)

11/07/2007 06:47:00 AM  
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11/07/2007 07:01:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

I'm on the road and have no time to partake fully in this week's banquet - however, here's a great quote from John McLaughlin which seems pertinent.

"Art is Man's attempt to express the inexpressible."

Also

"We are not physical beings who have spiritual experiences, but spiritual beings who have physical experiences."

11/07/2007 07:21:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Richard..Your government decided to stop publishing how much money they print in March of 2006.

GM crushed all of their electric cars out of existence a decade or so back.

Watts famous non sequiter that we don't need to protect the environment anymore and the utter destruction of all of the forensic evidence from 911 combined with renditioning to Syria of all places, raises the question...why destroy the reputation of United States of America?

This isn't an issue of those who don't know History must repeat History. This is rationalizing History and pointing to the rise and fall of every other world conquering regime with the cavaet that the royal families, the great religions, and all the other fiat holders of deck chairs on the Titanic, survive into next week's saga of the crash of 2007.

11/07/2007 09:52:00 AM  
Blogger Rafting Bear said...

just_another_dick said...Seriously RB, it wasn't a test...I thought I'd ask you a question.

You also say that a hole was made in a wall & odd footprints were noticed, so I'm wondering if you photographed either?

I didn't think it was a "test". You sounded respectful to me!

I did not photograph either, nor the bruises I often woke up with, nor either of the two incisions I found on my arm (on different occasions). This was for several reasons.

First, I am well aware that photographic evidence is the most virulently "debunked" of any kind. A photo of the dent in my wall didn't prove aliens; I knew that it hadn't been there the day before but how could I prove it? Certainly not with a photo. Not even my friends could vouch for it. How certain could you be that, if one of your neighbors showed you a dent in his wall, it wasn't there a week before? Or that he hadn't made it himself?

Same for the footprints. They seemed to stain the rug; I had it cleaned professionally twice but they kept reappearing. I have since heard of this sort of thing on ghost shows on TV, where ghosts get the credit (or blame).

When one of the other abductees in my support group asked why I didn't photograph my bruises, I laughed and said, "Why? To use as evidence in a lawsuit?" At least the bruises and incisions were seen by others. (In fact, one of the incisions, about 4 inches long on my left bicep, appeared the same morning as an identical incision on my then-boyfriend's left bicep. We had spent the night together, and to say it freaked him out would be an understatement. He dumped me shortly afterward.)

But the logic may not be the only factor in play here.

One of the other abductees, a woman who is still a friend of mine, woke up one morning with some kind of ochre substance all over her fingers and under her nails. She was deeply revulsed and ran to the bathtub, where her nail brush was, to clean her hands. She was shaking with disgust, but otherwise mindless, as she scrubbed her fingers and beneath her nails. She then frantically cleaned her tub with Comet, Chlorox, and (separately) ammonia. Not until she was done and the tub was absolutely sparkling she she regain normal consciousness and realize she might have disposed of some kind of evidence that she'd had a contact.

I believe her story because I have known her (now) for a dozen years and she has never lied to me. But I didn't see any of this myself and so cannot bear witness.

It seems as if the "evidence" we are given is intended for only us. I don't believe it is intended for anyone else. However, I have no idea why this might be so. If the visitors wanted to keep it a complete secret, it would seem they could easily do so with just a little more care. So it looks like these "slips" are intentional, meant to make the contactee a co-conspirator of sorts.

11/07/2007 11:24:00 AM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Here's a qigong master video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6UTGkC73GE

This one on qigong Master John Chang is a must-see (life-changing information)!

http://www.mind-energy.net/archives/209-A-new-video-of-John-Chang-The-Magus-of-Java.html

11/07/2007 11:39:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

RB, I honestly appreciate your candor.

Thank you.

Ericswan, I'm not exactly sure about your point.

If you're being doomy & gloomy rest easy, Pat Robertson has decided to endorse Guliani so we know God is now on his side & we also know where our vote should be cast.

Rudy! Rudy!

Here's my logic: America's at death's door, right?
Now, we can elect someone bat-shit crazy like Rudy Kervorkian who will, I am sure, do his best to crumble the entire American sandcastle & wash it out to sea, or we could choose a weaselly mealymouthed Dem who will keep the life support attached ad nauseum thereby causing undue harm as it thrashes around in its long, drawn out death throws.

Another thing, I think Frankenfoods deserve a chance. Labeling them as inferior & harmful does little else but damage their fragile self-esteem.

If we've learned anything from school spree shootings, it's that bullying & name calling just leads to bloodshed.

I don't know about you, but my conscience couldn't bear the weight of a bullied & belittled but well armed GM carrot slaughtering all the other carrots in the field.

It's too horrible to contemplate.

Truthfully, the farmer that sells me my produce seems to get more pissed off at that Visa commercial where everyone is merrily shopping along with their little hunk of plastic until some retard has the audacity to upset the happy consumer applecart by using (gasp) cash.

He never mentions GM foods.

I'd link him to Mark's film, but he hates computers & doesn't own one.

I honestly think that if someone tried to GM his crops he'd shoot the fucker since he's a crazy old coot.

Just another reason why I like him.

11/07/2007 12:06:00 PM  
Blogger Emlon said...

I am an abstract painter, and the current post and comments have some very interesting angles relating to the creation of abstract work - especially pure abstraction, as opposed to realism, abstracted.

As another with some experience with "unidentifiable" phenomena, I wonder if or how much of my work has to do with translating those experiences. I have long thought that was part of the need I feel to create work that is non-representational.

Aside from that:

I wanted to comment on the Ron Paul thing - WHY is there never, anywhere, any commentary on his extreme stances regarding race and sex (ie: extreme racism and misogyny, not to mention, he's extremely anti-choice). The guy is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Shudder...

11/07/2007 02:50:00 PM  
Blogger Emlon said...

Just another note relating to my earlier thoughts on art - I have just finished reading "What Painting Is" by James Elkins - he compared painting and alchemy, to great effect. Well worth reading if you are interested in either or both.

11/07/2007 02:58:00 PM  
Blogger Belliosto said...

fructedor posted... "Art is Man's attempt to express the inexpressible." Yeah and if I may say to that that art itself is the message. That it does not carry or have the message but that art in itself is the message. I really appreciate your post fructedor. This simply overwhelms the mind.

fletcher I think that ignorance of theology and the corruption within Christianity when it comes to educating anybody about the words written is part of a major problem in our world. Theology teaches us to show reverence to the wisdom and experience of the elderly especially in the home and to honor your parents. Not hate your mother and father. The Ten Commandments talked about reverence. The Beatitudes talked about happiness and honor. Today we do not know what to revere anymore and maybe that is why we are not happy anymore.

Another thing is that more people are not able to sleep well at night anymore unless they cause some kind of problem in another person's life today. I thought that I would throw this at you.

I can teach a man how to fish in a way that will cause him to starve to death. I can teach a man how to construct a quilt that will be so ruined as to be worthless to use. I can teach philosophies to a man as to cause him to become reliant on reasons that will cause serious setbacks in his life. Reasons that will cause him to pass judgments so detached from reality he would never realize that this is what happened at all. This can be applied to many different realms of reality in our lives. I think maybe we respectfully need to criticize what we trust as reality more. Not so much analyze whether or not your favorite color is orange or not but on the very things that we rely on as being the foundations of common sense and wisdom.

11/07/2007 03:29:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Yes, but can you, and should you, hnoor and respect your parents, and elders, in general, if they're fucking you up the ass?

11/07/2007 03:48:00 PM  
Blogger David said...

I have another secret. This blog makes most sense if you skip a few words and just read say every 3rd word (try it). it becomes more like the pleasant experience of skipping stones on a pond.

And now because we all must fall into line... i will post something relevant:

Communication on many different levels is found in the language of flowers that royalty used to communicate between each other.

That

And

The English language is often considered to be a blunt form of communication because of the limited alphabet, sounds, and words. However, I do not believe this to be the case. I believe the AMERICAN ENGLISH is exactly that way, but ENGLISH ENGLISH is far more subtle, far more intuitive, and far more malleable than understood.

I have never had a problem conveying emotions, feelings, sights, sounds, or spiritual experiences. When in doubt use more words - but remember to keep the audience in mind and keep them interested.

I guess I dont need an alien cumfest in my cerebrum to be able to clearly announciate what the hell is going on - and I dont need pictures where words can be an equal.

and to the poster that posted this line regarding their alien abduction:

"When one of the other abductees in my support group asked why I didn't photograph my bruises, I laughed and said, "Why? To use as evidence in a lawsuit?" At least the bruises and incisions were seen by others. (In fact, one of the incisions, about 4 inches long on my left bicep, appeared the same morning as an identical incision on my then-boyfriend's left bicep. We had spent the night together, and to say it freaked him out would be an understatement. He dumped me shortly afterward.)"

IF I WOKE UP and found myself with a cut on my arm that matched a cut on the arm of my bed partner, i would assume they cut me and that they were crazy and i would dump them immediately. i guess what i am saying is if you look thru another colored lens someone might say you were not kidnapped by aliens but instead sliced yourself and your bed mate. come on!

11/07/2007 04:07:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

David,

I think you are concentrating too much on your Lower Chakras.

Fuck Ron Paul

Regards,

Shrubageddon

What is announciate?

11/07/2007 04:34:00 PM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Something I get a kick out of every time I post here is the word verification I have to go through first - some of those letter combinations are really evocative - and I viscerally enjoy the fact that I couldn't explain why.

This time it's wrgjve - not bad at all, but there have been ones I've enjoyed more.

I haven't read more than the first few lines of Jeff's post and very little of the comments - really no time this week - but I immediately thought of that old saw that was whipped out periodically through a haze of teenage dope smoke - didja know Eskimoes have got nine different words for snow? Wow ...

As I posted earlier, we are spirtual beings who have physical experiences, rather than the inverse. However many dimensions exist in reality no-one can say - except perhaps 3G - but they are not going to be nailed by logical thought and word constructs. And in any case, although we might agree that a leaf is green, who could ever say that green for me is the same as green for you?

Perhaps Jeff's right in saying that we can't think about anything we don't have a word for - this simply delineates the efficiency of thought for gauging reality.

Experience is a whole different thing.

3G - I loved your anecdote about the man's enquiry into your asshole-stretching posture in Mcd's. That was cool. Give us more of that BBQ sauce along with the high-power protein, please.

11/07/2007 04:35:00 PM  
Blogger David said...

"lower chakras" - do you mean i am thinking too much with my penis? OF COURSE I AM. I am a young male of the human species. OF course i am thinking with my lower cha cha cha's.

the best place for figuring out "announciate" would be.... wait for it.... GOOGLE where less than 2% of mankinds (excuse me i meant to say humankinds) knowledge has been processed (but luckily announciate is part of that 2%)

i guess this blog is getting tiresome and yet i am so drawn to it - kinda frustrating isnt it?

:)

11/07/2007 04:39:00 PM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Shrub - for a person who declares that an entire generation has penetrated his intimate circle and then suggests the homosexual assault of a presidential candiate, you're clearly in no position to pontificate about David's lower chakras. I'll pray for you.

The word verification for this comment is, believe it or not, CMBLDL.

You can't make up stuff like that.

11/07/2007 04:43:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

I did Google it and it took me to a website for deviant art. None of the on-line dictionaries considered it a word.

Fruc....you don't get it, so don't try to quip on something you're not getting, Okay?

For starters, what the hell is this supposed to mean?

for a person who declares that an entire generation has penetrated his intimate circle

Huh? What? I guess if I understand this part, amybe the try at a joke would make sense, but I don't follow. The only person who has recently asserted anything about generations is BPH. Maybe you have us confused? If so, you should be more careful next time rather than praying for me. I think you need to pray for David...that he doesn't get a VD.

11/07/2007 04:56:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

OF course i am thinking with my lower cha cha cha's.

You're at the wrong place then, David. Not too many chicks hang out here, so you're not going to score, unless you're gay...there might be a few here that are...you'll have to ask 777 who they are...he can sense them through his keyboard...although, he may say you are one of them. If you are gay, I love you just the same. We are all equal in Satan's eyes.

11/07/2007 05:01:00 PM  
Blogger David said...

whoa! wtf? i came back here to do a nice thing and post the following article about quantum consciousness - i assumed most of you would appreciate it... but now i wanna attack this "_____" shrubadudadda. so here is the article, shrubadadda look at the bottom to interact with me more :)

The best place to hold the nebulous stuff called quantum information might be within an appropriately nebulous container - a small, cold cloud of gas.

Two teams have independently succeeded in placing a cloud of chilled rubidium atoms within an optical cavity, which traps light between two opposed mirrors. The combination could one day form a quantum memory element.

Quantum information deals not in the ordinary bits of classical information (0 or 1, yes or no) but in qubits, which can be a blend of 0 and 1, yes and no. Using qubits, physicists have devised uncrackable codes and hope to build ultra- fast quantum computers.

In theory, you can store a qubit by using a photon to change the energy levels of an atom. The photon's mixed yes-and-no quantum state is written onto the atom, which ends up in the same mixture of high- and low-energy states.

Reading this type of memory can be treacherous, however. The atom could simply drift away, or it could re-emit a photon containing the qubit in a random direction. Either way, the memory can easily be lost.

Super-atom

These problems might be solved by using not one atom but a collection of them, in a state called a Bose-Einstein condensate, or BEC. All the atoms in a BEC share the same quantum state. "They act collectively, like a 'super-atom'," says Yves Colombe of the Kastler Brossel Laboratory in Paris, France.

Colombe, Jakob Reichel and colleagues have put a BEC between two mirrors, which form an optical cavity trapping photons of a particular wavelength. They have shown that the BEC can be forced to respond to exactly that wavelength, so that it should only emit photons in a controlled direction within the cavity.

A BEC can more easily be cooled to very low temperatures than a single atom, says Tilman Esslinger of the Institute for Quantum Electronics in Zurich, Switzerland, who leads the second team. The cold BEC has no thermal motion and does not drift away, meaning the information held in it could be stored for longer.

Building the cavity was a particularly tricky technical problem for Colombe's team, as their aim was to fit it onto a single chip. They developed a new type of cavity, in which the mirrors are painted onto the ends of two optical fibres just 0.04 millimetres across. They used a laser to evaporate material from each fibre, sculpting an extremely smooth mirror surface.

The new experiments show that a BEC can be plugged into an optical cavity, but Esslinger is keen to point out they cannot yet function as quantum memory elements. For now, he says, the objective is simply to learn how this new combined system behaves.



ok you wanna pray for me to not get a VD? let me explain to you amigo how the world works. you talk about chakras like you understand how energy and the universe works.

no one can hurt me, but i can hurt myself. i can blame no one but myself for the things in my life. my present is a result of my past. deciding what type of experience i want to have in this world and believing i deserve it is sufficient. everything in my life is because i want it here - and you know what? - everything in everyone's life is because they want it.

so you ask in response: what about the suffering? no one wants suffering. and i would respond with, 1. you dont know what people want, 2. you should read about frequencies and being on the same wavelength etc.

i guess i took offense to you shrubadadadad mainly because i think you are like a bull in a china shop and quite rude.

as for announciate. i cant believe we are debating whether this is a word. i feel like you must be a very young human - like teenage and wet behind the ears. younger than even me. :) which is not bad - inexperience is not a crime, unless it hurts someone.

david


PS: this philosophy makes perfect sense if you consider that we are spiritual beings first and happen to have some physical experiences. it also goes in line with my notion of being immortal - just not immortal in this water and flesh bipedal machine called the body. :)

11/07/2007 05:08:00 PM  
Blogger tazmic said...

Indeed. As a species we prefer consistency over reason.

"One of the most potent forms of persuasion has to do with people’s innate need to be consistent. Studies show that people will ignore logic and information to be consistent. (In other words, we are moist robots.)
According to the research, humans are hardwired for consistency over reason."

(fhnfko)

11/07/2007 06:28:00 PM  
Blogger Derek said...

This is embarrassingly off-topic, but I thought that some of you might be interested to know that I've tried to incorporate Drew's "O at a D" techniques into my own life, with decidedly mixed results. The whole sordid story is at my blog (http://www.crashgordonbooks.com) under the heading:

BAD SEX TIPS FROM A FOND GHOUL

"Not long ago, Great Galactic Ghoul (less hubristically known as Drew) told us he hangs out in a Minnesota Taco Bell doling out Orgasms at a Distance to an insane prostitute, who thanks him for his services by flashing him her tits while, presumably, scores of innocent schoolchildren, blameless little old church ladies, and a few out-of-work neurophysiologists huddle around the surrounding Taco Bell tables trying to wolf down their daily ration of Spicy Chicken Chalupas, or Extra Cheesy Fried Chupacabras, or whatever…."

That's how it starts... and it ends badly.

BAD SEX TIPS FROM A FOND GHOUL

11/07/2007 06:33:00 PM  
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11/07/2007 07:07:00 PM  
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11/07/2007 07:26:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

OK well the "twitching of the vagus nerve" seems disingenious. The process is initiated first by focusing the attention on the pineal gland -- which is a permanent sensation of magnetic bliss. You feel the pineal gland, "flex it" with your brain (hard to explain) and then it pulls up the yin-jing or whatever (serotonin-oxytocin-melatonin). This causes it to shoot out of the forehead, as the right-brain vagus nerve pulsates at a rate of say... once a second and then faster as mutual climax is achieved.

As you state - - with the group orgasm -- mutual climax is variable depending on the sources of yin energy attracted to the yang spirit. For example today I was in the Leftist volunteer radical bookstore most of the day and the two female regulars both were absorbing my full-lotus action at about the same time. It caused a bit of tension but both left resolved. Yesterday I had three mutual climaxes with an Asian-American young student but in a different McD's, by the U, but then in this midst of this process another Asian-American young female entered the restaurant. She was hip to what was going on but it was too late for her to get in on the action beyond some residual results. Then last night there was a very awesome "alpha female" blonde in the engineering library. Usually 3 mutual climaxes is the limit in public as the first two are build-ups and the third is full-on, forcing public display behavior. But in our case, such as it was, we had a fourth to just soften the come-down so to speak.

By the way my photo is found at my biography as the preface to my masters thesis linked at http://nonduality.com/hempel.htm.

Anyway after last night, and this online distribution of my year long experiment with this consistent paranormal ability, I felt quite satiated with the results. Now that winter weather is starting full-on in Minnesota it's time to focus on building up increased electromagnetic powers, as controversial as it is. I had increased powers back in 2000 so it seems appropriate to get those back for deeper healing abilities.

As for your puppy, it's true that I indeed have a mutual climax with my parents dog -- an old male!! I have forgotten about this as it had happened probably around 3 a.m. and saw no reason to tell anyone (not that I could share that info with anyone at that time).

I guess he must have had an internal vagus nerve climax as well. I never really thought about it but I've seen him humping this other male dog we had so I guess he's at least a bisexual dog. Anyway I was sitting in full-lotus and he stuck his butt in front of me and the rest was, shall we say, natural (although I did feel really twisted).

11/07/2007 07:39:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

On the paper burning -- Master Yao had the same ability -- he was a teacher of qigong master Chunyi Lin, at http://springforestqigong.com.

Master Chunyi Lin stated that once Master Yao ignited too many balls of paper with his eyes so when they went back to master Yao's meditation room Master Yao began spitting up blood.

11/07/2007 07:42:00 PM  
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11/07/2007 07:42:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

This just in from Taobums.com.

Hei,I have earlier said I dont belive very much in qi gong.And the idea of knowing better than the body how and where to circulate chi.So I have been doing emptiness meditation from bodri and mantra meditation from yogani the last years,with great results.This was after about ten years of diffrent qi gong training.But some weeks ago I come over spring forest qi gong on demonoid.com which have open registration from time to time.Often on fridays.I download it becase it was free and I have heard a lot about it.And It looked simple so I tried it for fun.And it feelt good almost imidently so I tried it for some days.Now I have trained It for 2-3 times pr day in some weeks and It is very powerfull.I dont do meditation anymore.I feel big blocks opening and a lot of energy moving.I really belvie this can help many people with healt problems

11/07/2007 07:49:00 PM  
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11/07/2007 07:56:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

Well SHRUB,

Just happen to be somewhere that the internet works and checking in.

You did it again. You got BPH speaking or writing from the Heart. By the way, BPH, Shrub is so open minded that you could fall in if you’re not careful!

Sometimes when I read something that deeply affects me or reflects what I see or know, I will write those words, for my words do not express the thought or feeling better than someone else’s articulate prose or the material is more researched than I am able to do. When I quote someone else it is to express a thought or idea that will contribute to the readers (my intention, anyway) Mental or verbal masturbation is quite obvious, when one is only wanting to show their intellect rather than express from the soul something that one feels deeply.(Authenticity)

I would like to refer some, especially BPH, to the written experiences of Dr. Richard Boylan, who has a book PDF online called Star Kids. It is a great read if you have had encounters with Star Nations or star travelers and I like that term better that “aliens or UFO”S which is another way the CABAL distracts us from what is known but must remain unknown, at least for a while longer. And you used the word “Grok”….can’t top that!!!

SHRUB: WHO ARE YOU???? To know you is to love you….Your link was so cool and did you see the next video choice after ….”What kind of man are you?” “Dennis Kucinich admits seeing UFO on debate.” Hmmmmm….

I just don’t get 3 G’s and I wonder if it matters.

And SHRUB have you read about Bush’s latest veto? Guess….it has to do with water. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/03/washington/03water.html?ref=us but the good news is, maybe: http://www.nytimes.com/pages/washington/index.html

I don’t’ know how to put into words, but I got this visual: GW Bush in a black cape sucking the blood out of the neck of the Statue of Liberty.

DAVID said: “maybe this is just a place for people to type random words in posts and together we create a story that makes no sense and does not even really interact with each other.”

I hope not. I have always seen the possibility that these exchanges brought on by the seeds Jeff plants in a very authentic manner, could lead to another way of living life. Why Not??? At least, we are doing our best to disengage from the power of the CABAL.

My dear, dear, sister, Movie Girl, what are you saying? If you had read my last post on the last thread you would have read this: “Curiosity Shop( I call you Movie girl for I see you in LA where I lived for many years) has given us many gems which soothes the soul. She has all my respect and admiration for what she posts here”.
Now that is communicating- for you have soothed my soul many times by stating thoughts that also reflect the truth for me. Especially this:” The girls are gonna save you guys asses by the way.” Please hang out for a little longer. They need us…

This is why I want to remind you and everyone, that we fail in our humanity when we refuse to see the value of the life given us and refuse to acknowledge our own unique special gifts and abilities.



DAVID: If you have an ego, SHRUB will poke you ’ til it shrinks……

IC: Where are you???

11/07/2007 08:01:00 PM  
Blogger tazmic said...

Brainpanhandler said

'I was terribly tempted to look at the research first, but instead I'll form my own opinion first based on your understanding.'

But it explains so many things it must be true!

I suspect we are hardwired for building consistent picures of our environment, although now we live in so many realms where contradiction is of no consequence, or we are deprived of sufficient infomation, that we are not naturaly updating our models, but still of course apply them to our lives.

'Moist robots? ew. Say moist slowly three times. I always somehow feel like an idiot when I say the word moist. I think it has to do with the way my lips move like I am pantomiming a kiss.'

Hehe. Try saying Kukuxumusu.
It's euskara. It means 'Lots of little kisses'

11/07/2007 08:02:00 PM  
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11/07/2007 08:07:00 PM  
Blogger Belliosto said...

Shrub if Mom and Dad are doing you then you need to honor them even more. Cmon get with the times. If Mommy and Daddy really do not love I mean really do not love you then what is life worth living? Intercourse with parents seems to override any confusion about love issues. It's a direct and straightforward solution. You may end up in prison but that's life. Without parole.

yikes.

And I am not suggesting that anyone reading this should feed their children a steady diet of live scorpions either...That would be simply too evil.

I love you too Shrub but I'm not gay. For this I am apologetic. I'm already confused as it is to be so. I will not eat my cake and eat it too.

11/07/2007 08:16:00 PM  
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11/07/2007 08:24:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

There's no reason to repost stuff based on an inability to follow logic. As I stated Master Yao ignited balls of paper with his EYES. Hands work too of course. The logic of qigong is based on INFERENCE -- not deduction nor induction. To demonstrate a counter-example does not address any dualistic empirical experimental framework.

For example assume that two ratios are rational. Prove that they are not. Therefore they must be irrational and therefore they must be the square root of two. As Professors Hugly and Sayward detail in the spring 1999 issue of Philosophy, this "proof by contradiction" for the irrational number, the very foundation of science DOES NOT POSITIVELY PROVE THE SQUARE ROOT OF TWO. It proves that the ratios are not rational -- only as confined to the empirical experimental framework of the right-sided triangle.

Now, take into account that the ratios come from music theory. 9/8, the major tone, cubed, is the square root of two as the tritone.

As I Minnesotan I'm now entitled to type:

BETCHA YA DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

Moving along. Even if the ratios are proven irrational, as confined to the length of the hypotenuse, that, as Hugly and Sayward, details DOES NOT DEMONSTRATE THE THE LENGTH IS THE SQUARE ROOT OF TWO.

So there's a basic logical error in the foundation of science.

Well but "it works" -- math works -- it's repeatable, etc.

Ah -- yes -- works!! For whom? The victims of catapult technology, dependent on converted the major third into the ratio 5:4 as the cube root of two?

Details in my blogbook.

So then what if the rational ratios happen to be ASYMMETRIC - that the "octave" -- 1:2 -- actually spirals as energy transduction. This puts a definite wrench in the logic of the machine. Michael Polyani realized this, as did Kurt Godel - -even Bertrand Russell states:

the square root of two is a

CONVENIENT FICTION.

So then you point out a possible means to fake a demonstration. I point out a demonstration of the same results through the same qigong means -- only through the eyes.

The difference is that the results are based on logical inference -- not on a dualistic "proof by contradiction" framework. To endless point out counter-examples has no bearing at all on the situation at hand.

If I light a piece of paper on fire with my fart does that disprove the video? No.

As I stated, math professor Joe Mazur responded to my research this summer with the comment that it is "very important" information which should be published in the top peer-reviewed math journal in the U.S. (well most read) - the MAA Monthly.

Math seems esoteric to say the least but to keep to the topic at hand, consider Paul Davies' recent book "The Fifth Miracle" - Davies argues, as many do, that life in the universe is the result of quantum chaos self-organization dependent on

APERIODIC CRYSTALS using FIVE-FOLD SYMMETRY as the GOLDEN RATIO.

As I've detailed, the structural result of science is using left-brain logic and right-hand technology to convert left-hand asymmetric carbon-based molecules into right-hand asymmetric silica-based molecules.

The Freemasonic Golden Ratio is deemed the practical means to achieve this goal -- it's nothing less than the continued fraction of one -- as asymmetric logarithmics, but logically presented as symmetrical harmony. For further details read quantum chaos math Professor Ian Stewart's new book:

WHY BEAUTY IS TRUTH: A HISTORY OF SYMMETRY (2007).

And yes, Stewart and I corresponded about this very issue. I told him that I had achieved telepathy and telekinesis and precognition by using asymmetric natural resonance, in contrast to symmetry. Shortly after he published a letter in the journal Nature stating that while he didn't believe in natural telepathy, he did think it would be feasible using Q-bits.

11/07/2007 08:33:00 PM  
Blogger marmot said...

Then I saw the heavens opened, and there was a white horse; its rider was (called) "Faithful and True." He judges and wages war in righteousness.

His eyes were (like) a fiery flame, and on his head were many diadems. He had a name inscribed that no one knows except himself.

He wore a cloak that had been dipped in blood, and his name was called the Word of God.


Revelation 19:11-13

11/07/2007 08:34:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

RAFTING BEAR:

Excuse me, I meant to refer you, instead of BPH, to Dr. Broylan's work. IMHOP he is authentic.

11/07/2007 08:38:00 PM  
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11/07/2007 08:39:00 PM  
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11/07/2007 08:41:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Qigong Master Chunyi Lin on video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea3axEVCcQ0

11/07/2007 08:52:00 PM  
Blogger tazmic said...

BrainPanHanlder wrote:

'You argue now that those evolutionary forces are not at work anymore and...?'

I think when predisposed to a Korzibskyean 'confusion of contexts' our models, informed as much by the fantastical as the experiencial, lead us to act in the world in ways that are less informed by the world and more consistent with our personal or collective fantasy. And rarely do we get the feedback that could change our minds.

Perhaps if we largely operate on a linguistic level then we can only get feedback within our primary languages?

But this is begging the question.

I don't know what consiousness does. Is it perhaps the last bastion of the unnameable?


Oh, GeeGeeGee, when talking about mathematics it would help if you finished your sentences. (..DOES NOT POSITIVELY PROVE THE SQUARE ROOT OF TWO)

11/07/2007 08:57:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Not that there's anything wrong with that..
Surrender...IC may be out of service for a couple of weeks. I'm hoping he can muster for attendence but it would only be in body.

As for the youngsters, you're in the driver's seat as far as I'm concerned. This world, this realm is manmade. The material universe may have been created by God but what we do with it from there is all free will. As the story goes,

"Those between Will and Mask, Creative Mind and Body of Fate are oppositions, or contrasts.

Those between Will and Creative Mind, Mask and Body of Fate discords."

11/07/2007 08:59:00 PM  
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11/07/2007 09:04:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

disingenuous

11/07/2007 09:05:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

G3, you are a social retard.

11/07/2007 09:13:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

OK this reminds me of when I went 8 days on only half a glass a water, never was hungry, pulled a lady's spirit out of her head (by accident yet without touching her), causing her to bawl non-stop for at least 15 minutes (she was still crying when I left), healed my mom, with strong electromagnetic fields shooting out of my hands, ate a bunch of food because she thought I was "hallucinating," stopped practicing because she was freaked out so bad, then two weeks later she calls me and asks for another healing since that last treatment was

the difference between night and day.

When I told her I had stopped practicing because she had freaked out so bad she responded: "you're just lazy!" haha.

This reminds me of when my friend, innocently sitting five feet from me, stated "Hey what are you doing to me?"

This reminds me of when I magnetized the vending machine at work with my hands -- causing the quarters to stick to the metal frame -- against gravity. I did this by accident and at first pondered the ability for quarters to stick to the side of a metal box -- then realized it was from my third eye.

This reminds me of when I saw dead spirits floating into the lecture hall to hear qigong master Chunyi Lin speak.

This reminds me of last winter when I used to sit outside in full-lotus, perfectly comfortable, reading -- just because the internal heat was so strong. And yes Minnesota is still quite cold.

This reminds me of the bald cancer patient, the young lady, who had been healed by master Chunyi Lin.

This reminds me of when I asked what percentage my right kidney was working and master chunyi lin looked at it -- immediately I felt hot bliss in my right kidney and he replied: about 70%.

This reminds me of when this one lady had asked for a healing of her friend in the hospital. master Lin took the friends name and age and then did the healing right there on the spot. The lady, the following week, reported that her friend had recovered from a serious injury, right at the precious moment, yet she herself was in such amazement that she started to freak out. I was sitting behind the lady in the class. Master Lin nonchalantly stretched up his arms and yawned. As his arm came down he faced his palm at the lady and I felt this ball of energy of all a sudden completely cover the lady in bliss -- she immediately was stabilized, yet no one else in the room seemed to have noticed.

This reminds me when Master Lin walked past me on my first class and all of a sudden, after hearing his fingers shake at me (as my eyes were closed) I suddenly saw bright light and felt my body full of bliss. My girlfriend picked me up and I was a totally changed person.

This reminds me of when Master Lin touched my forehead with his finger and this hot bliss light shot into my pineal gland causing it to be permanently magnetized with bliss. I even stopped practicing for 2 months yet could still feel this permanent bliss in my pineal gland.

And so it goes.

11/07/2007 09:19:00 PM  
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11/07/2007 09:36:00 PM  
Blogger ket said...

GGG, Mothership, Drew Hempel & Sorry about the Spam

11/07/2007 09:50:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

BRAINPANHANDLER:

I was wondering if it really is possible to know something about you that you do not?

But I do have a question for you. Do you see me, or any of us here, or go farther to include everyone and everything, as separate and hidden from your perception? Or do you see that you ARE me? and all of the above and more?

11/07/2007 10:54:00 PM  
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11/08/2007 12:23:00 AM  
Blogger David said...

two things:

1. someone above said "DAVID: If you have an ego, SHRUB will poke you ’ til it shrinks……"

i dont believe this is a correct statement for two reasons. 1. ego has nothing to do with this exchange, 2. shrubadadabda hath not the mental acuity to poke me. as far as i am concerned this is just a chat room with only me in it and i am typing to myself. since i have never seen any of you, why do you exist outside of my mind?

2. what is the purpose of having to dig through tons of shit just to find the one or two nuggets of truth - the same truth you all seek. would it not make more sense to have those nuggets refined and presented rather than having lunatics, madmen (women too), and people that are convinced they can magnitize money (HAHAHAHAHAHA) with their thoughts and burn paper with their eyes. COME ON! i dont believe this and i dont understand the mentality of anyone willing to wade thru this rubbish to find one sentence worth some kinda truth.

i think stupid wasted comments do more to harm this blog, the concept that jeff wants to attain, and the truths we all seek than if jeff just made closed all postings to comments.

now i know why a certain someone used to post here and is no longer with us. and it seems life as usual continues.


:)

PS: my word verification was sgnjd - can you believe that???? omg!

11/08/2007 12:24:00 AM  
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11/08/2007 05:29:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Shrub - yes, we don't seem to be connecting - my comment was in fact intended as a good-natured joke since you posted about being fucked in the ass by your elders and then said Fuck Ron Paul - I know people who would have been amused by that. I thought you may reply in the same vein - something along the lines of "If I catch you praying for me, I'll fuck YOU in the ass" - but apparently I thought in vain. It wouldn't be the first time. I certainly have no judgement to make on anyone here, you included. You joke at David and others, why shouldn't I joke at you?

I appreciate your comments and what I perceive as your rather biting sense of humour, which is all the more mordant to me because I feel you really care. So do I.

So if I'm not getting it, or you, I regret.

And as for CMBLDL, I can tell you that you're not getting it, unfortunately. That note was based on what seems to me to be the topic of this thread - how we translate our experiences with a view to communicating them, or at least thinking about them. Expressing the inexpressible, in fact. I genuinely do get a kick out of random letter combinations, and though I may be the only one in the world to enjoy them, enjoy them I do. They talk to me, though I couldn't necessarily explain in what language nor even what they say. I find it hard to believe that you actually Googled it - was that in an attempt to understand what I meant?

What does music mean? Or colour? If I can't explain what I feel, does that mean it doesn't exist?

You're too thick-skinned to be offended by comments from such as I, but I would like to assure you that I was kidding. OK? And to say that I'll pray for you was intended as a form of self-mockery, particularly since you don't seem hot on the whole prayer idea. I was taking the piss out of me for your amusement - OK?

11/08/2007 06:12:00 AM  
Blogger Brainpanhandler said...

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11/08/2007 06:12:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Brainpanhandler a dit...
I opened my bible at random and the first six letters of the first six words of the first six sentences were frcdor.

11/07/2007 07:42:00 PM

Holy shit.

11/08/2007 06:16:00 AM  
Blogger CuriosityShop said...

surrender, my soul sister, this is for you and me

let's dance

no mental masturbation for us

anyone else that feels the beat can join us,

Whereas, breakbeats have been the missing link connecting the diasporic Community to its drum woven past

Whereas the quantised drum has allowed the whirling mathematicians to Calculate the ever changing distance between rock and stardom.

Whereas the velocity of spinning vinyl, cross-faded, spun backwards, and re-released at the same given moment of recorded history,

yet at a Different moment in time's continuum has allowed history to catch up with The present.

We do hereby declare reality unkempt by the changing standards of dialogue.

Statements, such as, "keep it real"

especially when punctuating or Anticipating modes of ultra-violence inflicted psychologically or physically

Or depicting an unchanging rule of events will hence forth be seen as Retro-active and not representative of the individually determined is.

Furthermore, as determined by
the collective consciousness of this state of Being
and the lessened distance between thought patterns and their secular Manifestations,

the role of men as listening receptacles is to be increased By a number no less than 70 percent of the current enlisted as vocal Aggressors.

Motherfuckers better realize, now is the time to self-actualize

We have found evidence that hip hop standard 85 rpm

when increased by a Number as least half the rate of it's standard

or decreased at three quarters of its Speed
may be a determining factor in heightening consciousness.

Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the Unchanging,

the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.

Equate rhyme with reason, Sun with season

Our cyclical relationship to phenomenon has encouraged scholars to erase the Centers of periods,
thus symbolizing the non-linear character of cause and Effect

Reject!
mediocrity!

Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which as been given For you to understand.

The current standard is the equivalent of an adolescent restricted to the Diet of an infant.

The rapidly changing body would acquire dysfunctional and deformative Symptoms
and could not properly mature on a diet of apple sauce and crushed Pears

Light years are interchangeable with years of living in darkness.

The role of darkness is not to be seen as, or equated with, Ignorance, but

With the unknown, and the mysteries of the unseen.

Thus, in the name of:
ROBESON, GODSON, HURSTON, AHKENATON, HATHSHEPUT, BLACKFOOT, HELEN, LENNON, KHALO, KALI, THE THREE MARIAS, TARA, LILITHE, LOURDE, WHITMAN, BALDWIN, GINSBERG, KAUFMAN, LUMUMBA, GHANDI, GIBRAN, SHABAZZ, SIDDHARTHA, MEDUSA, GUEVARA, GURDJIEFF, RAND, WRIGHT, BANNEKER, TUBMAN, HAMER, HOLIDAY, DAVIS, COLTRANE, MORRISON, JOPLIN, DUBOIS, CLARKE, SHAKESPEARE, RACHMNINOV, ELLINGTON, CARTER, GAYE, HATHOWAY, HENDRIX, KUTI, DICKERSON, RIPPERTON, MARY, ISIS, TESLA, PLATH, RUMI, FELLINI, MICHAUX, NOSTRADAMUS, NEFERTITI, LA ROCK, SHIVA, GANESHA, YEMAJA, OSHUN, OBATALA, OGUN, KENNEDY, KING, FOUR LITTLE GIRLS, HIROSHIMA, NAGASAKI, KELLER, BIKO, PERONE, MARLEY, COSBY, SHAKUR, THOSE THAT BURN, THOSE STILL AFLAMED, AND THE COUNTLESS UNNAMED

We claim the present as the pre-sent, as the hereafter.

We are unraveling our navels so that we may ingest the sun.

We are not afraid of the darkness, we trust that the moon shall guide us.

We are determining the future at this very moment.

We now know that the heart is the philosophers' stone

Our music is our alchemy

We stand as the manifested equivalent of 3 buckets of water and a hand full Of minerals,
thus realizing that those very buckets turned upside down
Supply the percussion factor of forever.

If you must count to keep the beat then count.

Find your mantra and awaken your subconscious.

Carve your circles counterclockwise

Use your cipher to decipher, Coded Language, man made laws.

Climb waterfalls and trees, commune with nature, snakes and bees.

Let your children name themselves and claim themselves as the new day

for Today we are determined to be the channelers of these changing frequencies Into songs,
paintings, writings, dance, drama, photography, carpentry, Craft, love, and love.

We enlist every instrument: Acoustic, electronic.

Every so-called gender, race, and sexual preference.

Every per-son as beings of sound to acknowledge their responsibility

to Uplift the consciousness of the entire
fucking
World.

Any utterance will be un-aimed, will be disclaimed - two rappers slain

Any utterance will be un-aimed, will be disclaimed - two rappers slain


poetry hip hop track _Coded Language_ MP3 (192k) by Saul Williams off of _Amethyst Rock Star_ (2001)


The trick of the game, or so it seems to me, is to go from human language into hyperlanguage, where every object is itself and simultaneously conflated with the universal, a place where words do not divide, but rather, implicitly reflect consciousness back toward an underlying unity of being. It may be that Enochian has this capability; I know that poets reach toward this Eschaton in their own use of their confined words, and - occasionally - strike their mark.
A few of the words from this century have had a particularly magical effect, words like "Noosphere" and "Gaia" and "Global Village" in actuality announced and pronounced something into being. Each may have existed before these words had been articulated, but none could be seen, even though they might be completely self-evident. Language shapes perception completely.
Words do make the world. This is the basic teaching of all the magical traditions I've encountered; each takes a different approach to broadening the lexicon of the postulant. The koan uses words to tie knots in reason and frees the being for a greater revelation than common sense will allow; the mage meditates on the names of his allies, and invokes them into form; the kabbalist contemplates the Tetragrammaton and sees the godhead as the vowels behind the prison walls of the consonants YHVH. The Eschatologist searches for the word which sums everything and integrates the cosmos into a singularity.
That we can even contemplate such a thing means it likely does exist. So we wait, mouths open, babbling a nonsense stream of glossalia, listening for angels' tongues.

- Mark Pesce Visiting Professor of Interactive Media School of Cinema-Television University of Southern California

I think that this glossolalia is probably mixed up with the generation of language itself. In other words, we probably invented language long before meaning, and it was some very practical person who got the idea that the words could have meaning.
Before that, language was primarily verbal amusement. After all, the most readily at hand musical instrument is the human voice. Sound is an incredibly powerful transducer of energy that we haven't really come to terms with. When we put a test tube in which a chemical reaction is going on, into a square wave generator and bombard it with very high amplitude sounds, we find that these sounds drive the chemical reaction faster, as if sound were an enzyme. When people are loaded to the gills on ayahuasca, they do the same thing. They sing for hours and sonically drive these states, navigating through a world of vocal landscapes that come forth from sound.
- Terence McKenna - _Timewave Zero and Language_

"It's a mysterious business, creating worlds out of words." - Ursula K. Le Guinn

Hope all is well with IC, I know he would dance with us surrender.

What a beautiful name that is "surrender". So much in that name...

David, I told you to get out while you can. Nice to meet you

G3, Drew, you need some dancing lessons too

11/08/2007 06:33:00 AM  
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11/08/2007 06:43:00 AM  
Blogger Jimmy said...

I have to agree with David, that this site has degenerated into a meaningless forum with posts that contribute no information for solving the problems we all face in the real world. For a few years I regularly looked at the site and found a lot of useful information on it, but within the last year or two every time I look at it I come away with the same feeling, that it has become a mutual admiration arena for mental masturbators who love to hear themselves talk. And not just your garden variety of mental masterbators, but full-on narcissistic mental masturbators. And if you've ever had any experience with narcissists you know that there's absolutely no use in debating with them because they already know everything.

There's a proverb in the Christian Bible that says "The sluggard (narcissistic mental masturbator) is wiser in his own conceit than seven men who can render a reason." Proverbs 26:16. And Benjamin Franklin made the observation "People who won't take advice can't be helped." The one thing all the narcissists I know have in common is that they're afraid on the inside, and their narcissism is a sort of an upside down and backwards defense mechanism to protect themselves from the fear.

I know an elderly Christian prophet who made the statement "Everything the enemy (Satan) does is for the purpose of distraction." And not coincidentally, according to the Christian Bible and also according a lot of classic literature, Satan's personna is the epitome of the narcissistic personality type. So it would follow that narcissists would gravitate toward anything that distracts from reality, of which this site is a perfect example as it keeps its regular bloggers preoccupied with an endless supply of nebulous gas that produces nothing worthwhile (thinking about it just now I had a mental picture of a dog chasing its tail).

I would recommend to any student of the spirit realm or to any student of social science who is really interested in finding out answers to the problems of our culture, to regularly check out this site because this social era has rightly earned itself the reputation for being the era of narcissism. The baby boomer generation that begun after WW2 has been referred to as 'the era of the American Dream', the 60's has been referred to as 'the era of rebellion', the 80's as 'the era of hedonism', and the era of today is quite obviously 'the era of narcissism.' And this site is a pure expression of it.

For those interested in finding out more about how narcissism plays out I recommend Paul Lutus' article titled 'On Being Perfect' posted on his 'Arachnoid' website. As for those who might be interested in finding a way out of narcissism, the only solution I know of is for he or she to find Jesus and develop a personal living relationship with the Holy Spirit. Other than that I know of no other solution for it, because only the Holy Spirit has the power to rescue us from ourselves.

11/08/2007 06:44:00 AM  
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11/08/2007 07:03:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Hey Drew, you just got my award for the least introspective person I have ever met. Previously held by my Buddhist boss. (Top student of a well-regarded guru.)

Congratulations, you are perfectly immune to reason.

And Thanks Derek for the G3 bit.

11/08/2007 07:08:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Jimmy, I think the charge of narcissism is fair, hell I will trump that and call it nihilism in some cases. Still that leaves a question for me. That is; -Is Pat Robinson any less narcissistic than the most narcissistic person that posts here? And if not, are his followers following Jesus as is claimed, or they simply resonating with fellow reptiles?
(kvukvq)

11/08/2007 07:43:00 AM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

David,

Will you tell me how life works/ Please? Nobody's ever attempted to tell me that before. When you do so, please make sure to announciate properly.

Also, you have to be careful when you pay too close attention to your Lower Chakras.....they can fool you....it's called the Chakra Kahn.

11/08/2007 08:36:00 AM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Jimmy,

I think you're being a bit hard on David. Let's cut him some slack, Okay? It's not easy to circumvent the Chakra Kahn without maligning your flute with no holes except your third eye. Plus, despite his preoccupation with his loins, he has much to tell us about how the world works.

11/08/2007 08:45:00 AM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Sounder,

That's Pat Robertson, not Pat Robinson. I think you had The Graduate on your mind when you penned it. I know I', being narcissitic when I point this out to you, but the Holy Spirit will take care of that, I'm sure.

11/08/2007 08:49:00 AM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

I think you're confused, BPH. When I said Richard and I were spooks, I meant that we were female geckos in this ARG of ours.

11/08/2007 09:05:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Jimmy...nice Christian name you've adopted. I love Jesus too but Jesus didn't change water into wine. Why would he when water was already perfect for any table. I want you to think about that. Would Jesus really be a purveyor of alcohol. Give your head a shake. The bible was written by the pope and it was the pope that wanted the alcohol, not Jesus.

11/08/2007 09:40:00 AM  
Blogger David said...

jimmy is right on the mark in my opinion...

the :) (smiley faces) represent to me that this is lighthearted and that this blog is a joke. I do have nice choppers and I would gladly smile in real life at you too. so dont be freaked out by the smiley face - apparently so much so that you had to actually poke at it.

as for how the world works... sure i can help. i can answer everything you need - but first you have to ask the question.

the question being - what do you want? i mean really really want. first ask yourself then if you have the balls (or ovaries) ask out loud and then in this forum. The first step is asking.

i suspect most of you dont even know what you want out of life - so why should you receive any of it. i also suspect that most of you prefer to be confused and confounded - so guess what - thats what you get.

i cant believe you told me i am using my shaka kahn 's more than my other kahns or whatever. i am a big supporter of indigenous peoples including and not limited to shaka zulu - does that help?

i find it right precious that you act like this guru of whatever discipline you are referring to when you say shaka kahn this and third eye that. but isnt one of the precepts of this philosophy something to the effect of remain humble and dont get on a soap box especially if people are not ready to obsorb whatever philosophy you espouse? in other words, you enjoy your shaka kahns and god bless you for that - but otherwise why do you think i care about your third eye or your ass being stretched in McD's?

but you on the other hand have asked ME how life works or how the world works (two different questions i think but interrelated). so i will tell you.

- ask and ye shall receive but ask truthfully and honestly.
- focus, visualise and create that 3D image in your head, believe it to be real. feel it.
- believe you deserve it, believe you have already received it
- ALLOW yourself to receive and allow yourself the feeling of receiving.

there is more but i cant organise this into a step by step thing.

what is it that you should or can ask for? anything, but whatever you ask for you have to believe the above things. so why not ask for truth and clarity of vision? BECAUSE NONE OF YOU WANT THAT. you are more interested in this back and forth rubbish than you are in answers - and therefore no answers shall come your way. change your mindset first.

some of the earlier posts above are along these lines but then the loudmouthes with egos (ironic isnt it) muddy the water and take us off course.

i think the great thing about the internet is that people with social anxiety and the inability to interact with others are now able to type their babble in a forum and be treated like a normal human being - i guess good for you retards bad for those that care.

i guess you did figure out that announciate is a word (it reminds me of another person who debated with me over the spelling of the word "weasel" thinking it was "weasle") interesting word in itself isnt it shrubaddada?

i cannot believe NO ONE has told you how the world/life works. that is funny indeed. considering 1. you are telling us all about it thru your third eye stuff and 2. i was brought up ALWAYS being told by everyone how life works. i guess i had different handlers to you growing up.

anyway, i am sure i am just a very small intellect compared to you "jiants" and so please excuse my inability to communicate in typing what is clear in my head. if you ask me questions i can answer.

now on another note, are you guys really being mean to me because you just think i am an idiot or is this how you treat newbie posters? huh?

11/08/2007 10:03:00 AM  
Blogger David said...

my last word verification was "smegma"

i think that is the stuff that holds people's brains together so naturally it is an important word to show up on my word verification. oh my!

:)
:)
:)
:)

11/08/2007 10:04:00 AM  
Blogger surrender said...

Hey Movie Girl,

Ahh! Let's dance! That was beautiful. Dancing is my favorite way to communicate especially when the music simulates the heartbeat of the soul.

I really miss Marvin and Jimmy. Two souls who left us with a gift of language thru music and lyrics that brought us out of the lethargic state that "Leave it to Beaver" and "Mary Tyler Moore" so poorly attempted to keep us thinking life was simple and really that shallow.

I see some of the new posters are asking for answers or solutions.

Maybe it isn't apparent to some of you that there are no answers or solutions, only choices. How you choose to live thru these times is the only solution to experienceing peace of mind and the joy of living while death and destruction reign on Earth. Look around you. Do you see only death and destruction or do you see Great Beauty?

Dance.. Dance... Dance..

11/08/2007 11:10:00 AM  
Blogger surrender said...

JIMMY: You are looking for solutions here? You really think that we are mental mastubators who have all the answers and you haven't found the answers here that would satisfy your breaking heart?

If you could read between the lines, you would understand that many of us feel just like you do but do not hide beneath the veil of a the Holy Spirit. Everything expressed here and anywhere else in the Universe is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit. Fear is also an expression of the Holy Spirit, a guide, getting our attention, so that we may focus love on that which we fear or hate.

Didn't jesus say something about "judge not...." and "forgiveness"?

11/08/2007 11:11:00 AM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

There's so much debate and discussion about me online that posting limited information is not the best way to find out the truth.

For example the Nygaard bit -- as you can find on gnn -- just google it -- I had given my email activist list to Nygaard after my email was sabotaged by the U admin. He then used that list to build up his Nygaard Notes distribution. This was all for free, although he asks for donations for his Nygaard Notes. Jeff and I are buddies and have known each other for years. He just biked past me the other day and we exchanged hellos.

Should I share personal details about paranormal healing and Jeff? He probably might not want me to! haha. I will say that we had an extended discussion about it just this summer, along with his female partner.

Anyway as far the logic issue goes there's a new book out from Prometheus -- the ultra-anti-parapsychology-scientism press. Prometheus books are idiotic to the core, but nonetheless make for some fun reading.

So take the book "The Immeasurable Mind" by William R. Uttal, formerly of the Arizona State University Dept. of Industrial Engineering.

This new book (2007) is on psychology -- the perfect focus for an industrial engineer. snicker. He argues that psychology is not a science unless is it based on behaviorism.

Now this reminds me of Chomsky's amazing take-down of BF Skinner. Wow that was one of my favorite Chomsky books. If you can't read his linguistics that book on Skinner is not specialized at all -- just brutal logic.

Anyway Uttal does make a good point (although he uses it to the wrong end):

"The corollary of this assertion [intrinsic intractability] is that both neural and behavioral processes have all the characteristics of the class of intractable problems that combinatorial and computational complexity theorists have dealt with in recent years."

(p. 154)

I'm assuming that Uttal is a big fan of George Elliot and Henry James and James Joyce, etc.

11/08/2007 12:43:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

P.S. no one has commented on the first qigong video I posted that displays infrared camera reading of 202 degrees F. emitted from the qigong master's palms.

Now where's my fart-paper ball burning demonstration? Well there are SOME things too scary to accomplish I guess (like watching a 5 minute video for free online).

11/08/2007 12:46:00 PM  
Blogger Rafting Bear said...

David said...
IF I WOKE UP and found myself with a cut on my arm that matched a cut on the arm of my bed partner, i would assume they cut me and that they were crazy and i would dump them immediately.


Do you really think the person next to you in bed could make a 4-inch incision on your bicep while you were sleeping, not wake you, and not leave even one drop of blood on your sheets?

You must be one heck of a sound sleeper.

11/08/2007 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger David said...

Rafting Bear, I sleep like a zombie but think like a free man. :) (gleaming teeth and all).

I just realised "my glitch" with this website and also a good excuse to make my exit (as was suggested by some of you earlier on). My glitch with this site is that it appears most of you (correct me if i am wrong) are fans of/ respect Chomsky. And I dont/am not. there you have it.

:)

11/08/2007 12:55:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

You can find my critique of Chomsky in my masters thesis linked at
http://nonduality.com/hempel.htm.

Chomsky and I corresponded about my critique but he didn't really address it. He did acknowledge that while his name is used so much in the activist scene many don't really read his books, except for the lighter interview ones. I had asked him if "At War with Asia" was going back into print and he stated it's surprisingly hard to get these things reissued. I was surprised to see "At War with Asia" on display at my local Borders the next year (AK books). Not coincidentally that Borders unionized under IWW and then was shut-down.

11/08/2007 01:00:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

The following information is to prove that I'm still on the ball:

Hi Professor Dana Fisher: Your book "Activism, Inc." hits home as I've worked at Clean Water Action for 8 years and since 2003, due to our contract with America Votes, the office has been corporatized. This resulted in the field canvass unionizing and CWA bringing in a Philly corporate lawyer, despite our MN Blue-Green Alliance and social justice mission statement. The union organizers quit, the field canvass diminished to three workers, and then the phone canvass was targeted. CWA had purchased a speed dialer for robo-calling with a monthly software leasing contract. My job is to sort the member info for the phone canvass but this was to be taken over by the dialer, even though the dialer does not customize the results. I'll spare you the technical details. So our phone canvass used to be the most successful field office out of the 23 CWA offices and therefore the national office moved to Minnesota to make the transistion to this new corporatized focus. The phone canvass had made monthly budget consistently for 6 years, no problem. Now it has only made budget for 3 months out of the past 3 years and this in direct competition with the speed dialer. The national director took the CEO title and his assistant took CFO. The three top officers of CWA make $100,000 a year (in 2006) plus benefits. The directors (state and national) get paid by the c(3) based on restricted corporate grants, focused on a $1 million/yr. Beldon fund (that had 2 Rockefellers on the board). This Beldon fund ends next year putting the whole CWA in jeopardy. I found this out by reading the National BoD notes and then I was penalized for sharing the information as "spreading misinformation" since "we have a plan" to replace the lacking corporate funds. Meanwhile the CEO quit and the new CEO, John DeCock, was in charge of the Sierra Club's 80 million dollar trust fund (or whatever).

The issue is of course about local organizing (by gaining 10,000 electoral surveys in the field canvass, we lost 30,000 paid members of MN CWA since 2003) and CWA neglected to address the renewal of the Monticello nuclear power plant this year, against the wishes of one of the citizen state board directors and other grassroots groups. This state citizen board director then left and meanwhile the Monticello nuke plant, right above the Twin Cities, MN, on the Mississippi river, could have its fuel rods crack at any time. As the state told the other grassroot activists "we're only interested in hearing from the big guys" -- meaning CWA, and therefore no action was taken to stop the nuke plant operation.

So, in essence, our new "global warming" focus has indeed promoted nuke power, just as Alexander Cockburn contends. I'm to be replaced by the dialer at any time and my career in activism with have been completed.

All the best,

drew hempel, MA

11/08/2007 01:03:00 PM  
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11/08/2007 02:18:00 PM  
Blogger David said...

HA! funny. seemingly trying to have a somewhat intellectual conversation and you end up resorting to playground poking and name calling.

funny how a remark about the inadequacies of chomsky's views brings about such a kneejerk reaction.

better to have a soft head (one that absorbs like a sponge) than a hard head which cannot see other positions, other viewpoints, and is stuck in a reality of one's own creation - and one that you dont like.

you talk about prison's for your mind etc etc and yet the only prisons that exist are the ones YOU create for yourself.

anyone that runs the gammit from conspiracy theories, to satan, to politics, to UFO abductions, to shaka kahn stuff, to lighting fires with your fingers and magnetizing coins with your brain, to cerebrum fucking, to you name it and thinks that they are all real - is in fact the one with problems not the other way around.

i know people like you. i dont associate with them. but i know them. they are typically liberal, educated, lazy, philosophical (but ironically typically antisemitic, generic, and boring), into the whole global warming nonsense, and mostly just arse backwards about everything.

so i dont worry about having a soft head, i worry about idiots like you that espouse rubbish and then get offended if someone calls you out on your junk.

what is most interesting to me is that all you do is insult and move around like you are the boss (maybe you are who knows) and yet never once did you even comment on the positive things i have stated that might be useful helpful or just interesting to discuss - you never once considered the power of visualisation, the power of belief, the power of creating your own reality, or even just something as simple as appreciation.

you panhandlerbrain are quite honestly just a negative person. you focus on negativity not positivity. i sense this from your postings. why? you could respond to ALL the things i write, none of the things, the negative, or the positive. look at your choices.

i wish you good luck finding source.

:)

11/08/2007 02:35:00 PM  
Blogger Rafting Bear said...

David said,Rafting Bear, I sleep like a zombie but think like a free man.
How long have you had narcolepsy?

'Cause you know, it isn't natural to be able to sleep through an incision. If it were, we wouldn't need anesthetics--we could just perform an appendectomy after the patient went to bed.

And if you are that completely unconscious while asleep--well, gee, you have no idea what is or isn't being done to you during a whole third of your lifetime. How "free" can a man think, when he admits he isn't thinking at all for such extended periods?

11/08/2007 03:21:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

David,

What do think about Tony Robbins?

Love,

Shrubageddon, M.A.

11/08/2007 03:44:00 PM  
Blogger David said...

Rafting Bear, I cry mercy, you win, I believe you. For Real.

and about Tony Robbins...

1. I think he must practice what he preaches because he has big happy choppers like me:)
2. but honestly, i do not know much about Tony Robbins. Back in 2000 or 2001 somthing like this, he came out to our neck of the woods and everyone was excited and talking about him and my flatmate bought his tapes and would listen to them religiously, but I was younger then and more hard headed (like your boy panhandlerbrain) and was not interested in learning or opening myself up to the experience. no harm done. so in short i can only guess what his message is, but it must be working he owns an island in the blue waters.

:)

d

11/08/2007 04:05:00 PM  
Blogger Derek said...

Such hostility here today! I think we all need to take a moment to have a big internal orgasm that will bathe us in female formless awareness. GGG can lead the way....

11/08/2007 04:06:00 PM  
Blogger Psychic Readings by Dawn said...

Many people are far better off living in a comforting bubble of "non knowing." I've witnessed firsthand the splattershot from people who's brains exploded when I introduced them to too many "alternative" views too quickly. CAN NOT DEAL about sums it up! I find far more open minds in some university settings where paranormal research has been quietly going on for decades, like at Princeton. Of course, their research was immediately commandeered by the black ops alphabet soup agencies, but at least they are still doing some experiments and are pleasant enough to talk to.

Dawn

11/08/2007 05:08:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

David, many folk around here consider Chompsky to be a left-gatekeeper, so you may want to cut it with the general assumptions.

David....

“i suspect most of you dont even know what you want out of life - so why should you receive any of it. i also suspect that most of you prefer to be confused and confounded - so guess what - thats what you get.”

Hmmm..Another general assumption, ah, ok –david, this will be over your head, as it will be for others that also enjoy their confusions.

I asked for understanding, quite earnestly when I was fifteen. I got some, and with it I have made a beautiful life. Still I tread carefully because I know that every step forward risks my stepping into a pile of shit.

Oh forget it, nevermind, I’m tired.

and...

“as far as i am concerned this is just a chat room with only me in it and i am typing to myself. since i have never seen any of you, why do you exist outside of my mind?”

Wow! Uh-Oh.

11/08/2007 08:20:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

Dawn,

Was it the mention of Tony Robbins that drew you hear? It seems awfully coincidental that we mention him, and he also happens to be a self-empowerment guru like yourself, and you suddenly show up. That being said, has David ever e-mailed you for psychic readings? What do you think of David? Also, for what it's worth, Dawn, my parents never fucked me up the ass as some hear chaim. I was just speaking on behalf of all children whose parents have fucked them up the ass, do fuck them up the ass and will fuck them up the ass. It's preposterous to suggest that those children in such circumstances should honor their parents.

In regards to self-help.....well, let's just say, I think it's exploitative fraud....but if idiots are willing to get in line for it, let them waste their time and money. "I know Rome is Burning, but by golly, I want to feel good about it, and I want to feel good about myself. If I say my shit doesn't stink 100 different ways thousands of times over, then it really won't stink......to me, at least."

This article sums it up nicely. See, I'm guilty of it too, BPH, so I'm not above the fray, so to speak. At least this is something to which we all can relate.

According to self-help guru Tony Robbins, walking barefoot across 1,000-degree red-hot coals "is an experience in belief. It teaches people in the most visceral sense that they can change, they can grow, they can stretch themselves, they can do things they never thought possible."


I've done three fire walks myself, without chanting "cool moss" (as Robbins has his clients do) or thinking positive thoughts. I didn't get burned. Why? Because charcoal is a poor conductor of heat, particularly through the dead calloused skin on the bottom of your feet and especially if you scoot across the bed of coals as quickly as fire walkers are wont to do. Think of a cake in a 400-degree oven--you can touch the cake, a poor conductor, without getting burned, but not the metal cake pan. Physics explains the "how" of fire walking. To understand the "why," we must turn to psychology.

In 1980 I attended a bicycle industry trade convention whose keynote speaker was Mark Victor Hansen, now well known as the coauthor of the wildly popular Chicken Soup for the Soul book series that includes the Teenage Soul, Prisoner's Soul and Christian Soul (but no Skeptic's Soul). I was surprised that Hansen didn't require a speaker's fee, until I saw what happened after his talk: people were lined up out the door to purchase his motivational tapes. I was one of them. I listened to those tapes over and over during training rides in preparation for bicycle races.
The "over and over" part is the key to understanding the "why" of what investigative journalist Steve Salerno calls the Self-Help and Actualization Movement (SHAM). In his recent book Sham: How the Self-Help Movement Made America Helpless (Crown Publishing Group, 2005), he explains how the talks and tapes offer a momentary boost of inspiration that fades after a few weeks, turning buyers into repeat customers. While Salerno was a self-help book editor for Rodale Press (whose motto at the time was "to show people how they can use the power of their bodies and minds to make their lives better"), extensive market surveys revealed that "the most likely customer for a book on any given topic was someone who had bought a similar book within the preceding eighteen months." The irony of "the eighteen-month rule" for this genre, Salerno says, is this: "If what we sold worked, one would expect lives to improve. One would not expect people to need further help from us--at least not in that same problem area, and certainly not time and time again."

If you need to pay for someone's help, why is it called "self-help"?

Surrounding SHAM is a bulletproof shield: if your life does not get better, it is your fault--your thoughts were not positive enough. The solution? More of the same self-help--or at least the same message repackaged into new products. Consider the multiple permutations of John Gray's Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus--Mars and Venus Together Forever, Mars and Venus in the Bedroom, The Mars and Venus Diet and Exercise Solution--not to mention the Mars and Venus board game, Broadway play and Club Med getaway.

SHAM takes advantage by cleverly marketing the dualism of victimization and empowerment. Like a religion that defines people as inherently sinful so that they require forgiveness (provided exclusively by that religion), SHAM gurus insist that we are all victims of our demonic "inner children" who are produced by traumatic pasts that create negative "tapes" that replay over and over in our minds. Redemption comes through empowering yourself with new "life scripts," supplied by the masters themselves, for prices that range from $500 one-day workshops to Robbins's $5,995 "Date with Destiny" seminar.

Do these programs work? No one knows. According to Sa¿lerno, no scientific evidence indicates that any of the countless SHAM techniques--from fire walking to 12-stepping--works better than doing something else or even doing nothing. The law of large numbers means that given the millions of people who have tried SHAMs, inevitably some will improve. As with alternative-medicine nostrums, the body naturally heals itself and whatever the patient was doing to help gets the credit.

Patient, heal thyself--the true meaning of self-help.

11/08/2007 08:32:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

The first qigong master video does not have paper burning -- it has a qigong doctor treating patients and paper walking. The TWO JOHN CHANG VIDEOS BOTH HAVE PAPER BURNING.

So, as I stated, the first video shows infrared camera readings of 202 degrees F.

And your explanation? Pretend it doesn't exist! haha. And then there's Master Chunyi Lin's video's with testimony from people healed of serious diseases. His website has promotions from medical doctors and Mayo Clinic doctors refer hard to treat patients to him.

The John Chang video is also based on a scientist examination from the Albert Einstein Institute (not exactly a haunt of self-hating magicians, haha).

Again offering a contrived counter-example is not an "alternative" -- it's one that completely ignores the context of the demonstration -- already based on western scientific readings.

Qigong is well-tested by the N.I.H. -- through master Effie P. Chow and also the Mayo Clinic's dr. Nina Mishek just co-authored a qigong chapter for a Mayo Clinic textbook, with qigong master Chunyi Lin.

So qigong Master Chunyi Lin is teaching the Mayo Clinic doctors qigong and Magic Randi attacks Master Lin without knowing anything about Master Lin -- haha. That's how silly the whole "alternative" argument is --

it's just a fear reaction. Qigong is based on a very simple yet powerful philosophy -- complimentary opposite harmonics, while all of science is based on symmetrical mathematics. So none of your explanations are alternatives because they are all based on symmetrical logic.

Master Chunyi Lin is currently doing an N.I.H. study on pain relief and meanwhile in China qigong has passed rigorous exams that continue to be published in WESTERN PEER-REVIEWED JOURNALS -- like the International Journal of Neuroscience.

So to claim that you can ignore the evidence because you can imagine some contrived situation that has nothing to do with what's presented is nothing less than wanting to climb back into your mom's womb.

I've posted all these studies online and will be happy to do so again next time I'm at the University. My policy is nothing to hide, face the facts and

ROLL ON.

11/08/2007 08:37:00 PM  
Blogger David said...

Thank you for the word-banter. I will stick around for a bit but I am obviously not wanted here - especially if i dont fall in line with some left leaning politics. the irony of it all is that i am neither left nor right - i dont care about that. i care about individual issues that cut across both the left and the right.

polarizing people into only two categories cannot be a good thing. it limits discussion and apparently unless you tow the party line limits communication (ironically an aspect of the original posting by Jeff).

But looking at things from your perspective, I can imagine how annoying it would be to have this nice little microcosm where you can all talk crazy speak back and forth only to find that someone gives this blog a recommendation and suddenly all these other opinions start flowing in = and that just cant be tolerated.

so i will either leave or fall into line... on the left side.

but what if i dont believe Bush is evil? what if i dont believe global warming is a problem? what if i dont believe in a porous border with Mexico? what if I dont believe in Rosie? what if i dont think big business is bad? what if i dont believe the Iraq war is about oil? what if i think our troops should be there AND elsewhere? what if i dont believe that the US military is overstretched? what if i dont believe in the UN? what if i actually believe that the UN has done more harm than good? (is Ron Paul left wing or right wing?) What if I dont support Ron Paul? what if i dont believe in appeasement?

am i not allowed to be here because my opinions are different than yours?

the only issues i think are important are colonizing other planets in order to save humanity. what a pathetic species we are if we cant even get off this planet and visit the stars. All of mankind should be working towards colonizing and growing.

sounder, thanks for your warning regarding messiah-chomsky. i will not refer to him again unless asked.

also sounder, i interpreted what you wrote in one of two ways. perhaps you can clarify:

did you mean you found meaning and made a beautiful life and are now waiting for something bad to happen (as in you are so worried about stepping in shit that your focus is on that rather than on doing better, more, etc)

OR

did you mean that you found meaning and without showing appreiciation for that meaning, you could lose it all just as easily as it had come into your life?

i guess i just want some clarification if you dont mind. i know you are tired but i am curious.

11/08/2007 08:52:00 PM  
Blogger David said...

shrubagggedon, that post you just did regarding self-help was very helpful to me. i had never heard of this position before and found it really interesting to read. thank you for those insights.

as far as whether i believe in self-help or not, i dont know the answer, i really dont.

actually you know what i do think, i think that the mind being a powerful tool, powerful enough to change reality could then be applicable to self help books.

is scientology the same as self-help and tony robbins seminars? are these the same thing or different? or to ask the question a better way - what is the difference between : 1. self help books, 2. tony robbins philosophy, and 3. scientology.

i have never read chicken soup for the soul so do not know what to think of it.

i do like stephen baxter though.

11/08/2007 09:02:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

is scientology the same as self-help and tony robbins seminars? are these the same thing or different? or to ask the question a better way - what is the difference between : 1. self help books, 2. tony robbins philosophy, and 3. scientology.

I think there is some overlap, but Tony's in it for the money and the self-gratification and self-agrandizement, whereas, Scientology is much more insidious. Scientology is a cult, IMHO, whereas Tony Robbins is a Snake Oil Salesman. Tony doesn't seek to control your life for his own nefarious means beyond you purchasing from him what you already possess. Scientology wants your soul, metaphorically speaking, or otherwise.

I avoid all that shit like the plague. I have always viewed it as bullshit.....it has never appealed to me. I agree with the article. Heal Thyself.

11/08/2007 09:17:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

This is especially funny since science has always developed as a ritual-based solution to plagues. For example the Pythagorean Theorem originates with Brahmin ritual sacrifice altar geometry -- specifically to cure plagues and specified by the god being appealed to. The application was, of course, for chariot technology (to center the wheel) for expansion into plague-free territory, circa 3000 BCE.

Then Archytas developed the precise "doubling of the cube" based on using his geometric mean equation -- because the Delphic Oracle stated that only be achieving such a precise result would a plague be stopped in Athens. The practical result of course being translating complimentary opposite harmonics of Pythagorean shamanism into logarithmic-based phonetic axioms (Euclidian Geometry) for catapult technology -- 5:4 as the cube root of two -- so again territorial expansion of the Athenian empire could move into plague-free regions.

Then, of course, there was black death and the import of Arab-Asian technologies to begin Western colonialism (mainly the Venetian trade as the religious crusades to again expand into plague-free regions).

Finally there was Newton's discovery of "gravity" during the plague in the 1600s. He was literally hiding in his home where there was a huge pile of shit in his basement (because at that time it was believed that shit actually kept the plague away!!).

So avoiding shit like the plague is an excellent Freudian oxymoron.

Read the book "Nanotechnology and Homeland Security" -- nothing like a microchip to reconfigure your blood chemistry based on satellite signals once the plague-terror hits again.

Freedom is Obedience.

11/08/2007 09:43:00 PM  
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11/08/2007 09:50:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Plague-terror coming to a shopping mall near you:

ENN: Environmental News Network
From: Reuters
Published November 8, 2007 08:14 AM
Cholera and Dengue Threaten Mexican Flood Victims
RELATED ARTICLES
Tens of thousands trapped in Mexico floods
Thousands perched on rooftops in Mexico floods
Senegal's Cholera Epidemic Spreads with 400 Cases, Two Fatal
Monsoon Floods Hit New Areas in South Asia; Death Toll Crosses 450

/health/article/24327/print
VILLAHERMOSA, Mexico - Tens of thousands of Mexicans forced into makeshift shelters by massive flooding are threatened by ailments ranging from colds to cholera, health officials said on Wednesday.

About 80,000 people from the flooded city of Villahermosa have taken refuge in crammed schools, churches and a multistory parking garage.

Colds, respiratory illnesses and foot fungus have become common, and doctors in the tropical city fear outbreaks of more serious diseases like cholera due to a lack of running water.

"The risk now is infections. There could be an epidemic," said Ramon de Jesus Velarde, the head of Tabasco state preventive health program. He said cholera and dengue fever were the main threats.

11/08/2007 09:56:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

1D you state that you don't like my blogbook -- it's free. That's fine. But then you quote Callahan, which I already sourced in my masters thesis. The Lotus and the Quantum book is superficial -- it's not even worth referencing.

Callahan is an electrical engineer. Paramagnetic fields are addressed IN THIS BLOG BOOK through Dr. Andrijah Puharich's research on the proton magnetic momentum.

Again Puharich's research is based on matrix math -- as is all the stuff you quote, which proves that YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY READ THE BLOGBOOK -- not just post on the comments section of the blogbook.

Now you state that the blogbook is pretentious and you just want to learn how to achieve these abilities.

That's great. Stop quoting the Western science stuff.

The abilites are easy to learn based on a simple yet RADICAL PHILOSOPHY -- it DOES NOT USE FREQUENCY NOR AMPLITUDE.

OK -- so stop quoting that stuff and then claim you want to learn the abilites.

I've described in very simple, easy language how to learn these abilites.

These free online articles are:

The following 3 at http://mind-energy.net.

"The Yan Xin Secret"

"You Can't Fake the full-lotus"

"Secrets of Psychic Music Healing"

"The Rotten Root" found in the Ampersand

and "The Biomusic Conspiracy" found at http://viewzone.com.

Also I recommend ordering the clearance "small universe level one" practice tape from http://springforestqigong.com.

It costs $3 -- that's almost free.

Having a guidance tape really helps.

Want to ignore all my articles yet learn how to do this?

Then read these two books:

"Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" trans. by Charles Luk -- it's a practice book so you practice what you read.

"In Search of the Miraculous" -- ignore Ouspensky's comments and just read his quotes of Gurdjieff.

Now since your psychological denial is the standard norm for readers on the internet I will repost this information at the following forums:

Taobums, breakingopenthehead, webofomimicry, conspiracycentral, rigint.blogspot, radiorbit, and where ever else others are making similar requests as yourself.

You are not alone. haha.

11/08/2007 10:40:00 PM  
Blogger Belliosto said...

The concern with parents having sex with their children or adults having sex with children I understand is very popular in the world. The majority do not stand for it. But if you want to go the other way learn a lesson from the Babylonian Talmud. If you did not know, these priests traditions are the same ones that were believed on by the ones who persecuted Jesus as it is written.

Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 44b, Soncino 1961 Edition, page 309

MISNAH. A girl of the age of three years and one day may be bethrothed BY INTERCOURSE,...If one was younger than this age intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye.

That means her virginity returns again and again at a young age. And don't forget the founder of Islam had married a six year old and she consummated her marriage at nine years old.

Remember what happened in Belgium.

11/09/2007 12:05:00 AM  
Blogger Belliosto said...

New York Times articles...

Child Rapist Stuns Belgium: What Punishment?

275,000 in Belgium Protest Handling of Child Sex Scandal.

How Belgium Blinked at Child Killer's Trail.

Very few people on our planet condone parent's having sex with their kids. Even the most immoral and criminal oppose this.

11/09/2007 12:18:00 AM  
Blogger Belliosto said...

Belliosto said...

Leave the body leave the mind
" "

I just happen to feel so alone
For today for all days to come

I just wanna be wanna be gone
" "

Leave the quiet leave the night
" "
Broken feelings of dreams out of sight

Pictures in your head at night
For tonight for all nights to come

Erased for good and always gone
" "

Leave the city leave the cold
" "
Young people far too old

Let me cross a very fine line
For today for a lifetime
" "

Leave the body leave the mind
Let me
Leave the body leave the mind
Every promise every place behind

I just happen to feel so alone
For today for all days to come
For today for all days to come

I just wanna be wanna be gone

Anna Ternheim To Be Gone

11/09/2007 01:17:00 AM  
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11/09/2007 04:33:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"OK this reminds me of when I went 8 days on only half a glass a water, never was hungry, pulled a lady's spirit out of her head (by accident yet without touching her), causing her to bawl non-stop for at least 15 minutes (she was still crying when I left)"

Mr. Gee, it's really too bad we hadn't met a few years back.
We used to have this client on campus who'd continually attempt to dig a hole into the top of his head.
On one exceptionally busy day, he was able to gouge a hole about the size of a 1/2 dollar into his head. We were paged to this chaps residence about 15 or 16 times;for me, that was the equivalent of running 50 football fields. Now I don't mind a good run, but after the 4th time, this got pretty old.
Anyway, during one of this gents quieter moments, I asked him why he was digging a fucking hole in his head, & he told me he was trying to dig out his soul.
By this time, around the 8th page, I would have given the fucker a Skil & let him trepanate himself if that would have kept me from having to run back there.
Alas, if I'd only known your technique, I could have passed it on.
Seeing him weep uncontrollably, while a poor substitute for a good trepanning, would have done my heart a world of good.

We have another client, a female, who used to live in an off campus group home, but staff had the tendency of finding themselves cornered by her in the middle of the night as she clutched a steak knife she absconded from the kitchen and shrieked, "I'M GONNA FUCKING KILL YOU."

The institution is, at last word, pawning her off on some unsuspecting family in the community in something called the Campus-Share program.
Sounds so positively Christian doesn't it.
An old couple, grandparents with grandchildren who live with them, are unsuspectingly opening up their home to a psychotic.

But I digress...



"I've witnessed firsthand the splattershot from people who's brains exploded when I introduced them to too many "alternative" views too quickly."

Another proud owner of "The Predator".

Good to see.

11/09/2007 05:08:00 AM  
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11/09/2007 06:14:00 AM  
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11/09/2007 07:09:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Thanks BPH, I love being able to laugh along with people that think in a different way than myself. While I may not care for some of what you think, I can still very much enjoy how you think. This goes for Just-another-Dick also, rock-on.

David, the second option, of course. If you care to, click on Sounder (at the top) to read my position papers. Warning: This writing is considered ‘incomprehensible’ by some. (Shrub got to the second paragraph I think.)

David, if you want to stick around then stop worrying about whether you are wanted. Newbys also may benefit from reading Jeff's earlier posts and comment threads, to get a better lay of the land.

G3, you are a social retard, and not exactly a fine ambassador for the chi.

(kqqyhpwr)

11/09/2007 07:25:00 AM  
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11/09/2007 07:35:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

This has been an interesting couple of days. Here comes a short résumé.

I’m working very hard at the moment, and have less time than usual to peruse the blog – but on my way out the other night, I logged on for a few minutes just to see what was going on. I’ll be frank about the fact that I am now sick of seeing 3G’s posts, I just scroll past them, and some of the other very very very very very long ones, too, but I’m always pleased to see a post from Shrubaggedon, because they’re usually short and funny. So I enjoyed your joke at David’s expense, and, being in a playful mood, shot off a joke directed at you in turn. You’ve had a couple of friendly digs at me, so why not?

I was stunned to discover the next day that, apparently, you’d taken me seriously. Fruc don’t get it, so fuck off. Banned from the club. Here’s a man who has the inclination and wit to lampoon Drew, David and others on a regular basis, and who can write a crack as funny as … “My vagus nerve is twitching. Time to play the flute with no holes so I can end the War on Terror.” In the context of the blog’s recent history, that made me laugh out loud. So I am astounded that you believe me pretentious enough to try to scold you – or worse, threaten you with portentious prayer - how could you imagine that? Who the fuck do you think I think I am? And I am astounded that you went as far as Googling the random letters – did you really believe I was channelling you some kind of message? Incredible. Incidentally, you say you came up with a site displaying deviant art. I thought I’d check that out, and I got two hits for cmbldl– one was to do with some medical software intended to predict the occurrence of heart disease, and the other was some other software incomprehensible to me. All I can say about it is that, in the context of a joking exchange with you, it looked funny to me. What the fuck does it matter? And not that you give a shit, but if you would like an idea of the peculiar English roots of that kind of humour, try having a listen to a hilarious English comic called Stanley Unwin. Let’s also mention John Lennon and Lewis Carroll. Not that I’m claiming comparable stature, God forbid. I probably shouldn’t say that either, though, should I? But I will say that some of my favourite music is Bulgarian female choir music – I haven’t the faintest idea what they’re singing about, other than they’re folk songs, and therefore probably about love and farming. The fact that I don’t have mental associations with their words makes the music all the more beautiful to me.

Why did I mention random letter associations? I don’t know, other than that I was feeling playful and it seemed to have an oblique pertinence to the ideas being discussed concerning the translation of experience into words. Life is what you make it, or, what you see is what you get, or any of those. And as I said, I get a kick from them sometimes. But I could have as easily mentioned the indescribable pleasure I get from the autumn colours in the park, or the indescribable peace I experienced standing in the drizzle for minutes on end listening to a bird singing its glorious heart out. Perhaps that just tells you I’m too dumb to come out of the rain. All I can do is use words like ‘pleasure’ and ‘peace’ and assume you have an idea what I mean. But it’s an odd experience drawing fire for something so inconsequential – some people clearly thought I attach particular importance to it, like BPH, and Sounder (if I read you correctly, Sounder) even thinks I have revealed myself as a reptile seeking to resonate with other reptiles. I’m no more reptilian than the next man, and the number of the beast is nowhere to be found tattooed on me. Believe me, I’ve looked.

I’ve been told that some don’t catch on immediately to the sort of ‘dry English humour’ which I thoroughly enjoy in the company of millions of other English people, so maybe I inadvertently rubbed you the wrong way. In the end, I probably care about as much as you do. I know a lot of people, and almost all of them would have immediately recognised that I was joking. Interestingly, perhaps that points up something about the quality of communication when removed the from the sphere of multi-sensory vibrations. And that could lead us into discussions about electronic reproduction of sound, and so on and on and on.

For me, this blog has never been a forum in which I seek approval, popularity, or kudos. I’ve told you this before, but for those who may have missed it – I was first attracted here by the title ‘Rigorous Intuition’ which I liked, then by Rumi’s poem, and then, increasingly, by the variety and depth of Jeff’s postings, his graphics, and especially by the quality of the exchanges from the various communicants. It seemed to me to be a space where most people were eager to exchange ideas relating to attempts to improve the quality of life on the planet. After a while, I felt I had something to share, so I did. And will whenever I feel like it.

But I wanted to be clear on this, not because I feel rejected or shunned – believe me, I am loved and respected and appreciated quite enough to not have to go blog-crawling for affection. I’m telling you all this because it’s important to me to demonstrate that the message of a man who speaks seriously of spiritual life and the power of prayer is not to be discarded because of a minor misunderstanding, and I won’t get wrangled into a shit-slinging match either. I do not work for any church or religious organisation, and in fact, avoid them. I have learned that spirituality is the true root of humanity, and as far as I can tell from the state of the world around me, is desperately lacking. Also, my own experience tells me that without grounding in our spiritual essence, most, if not all of our endeavours will be in vain. I’ve posted quite a lot about that, so if you’re at all interested, you can find it. I’ve made life choices based on what I’ve learned is our true nature, and continue to explore this eagerly. I avoid words like ‘God’ and ‘the Holy Spirit’ because they trigger so much dumb automatic conceptualisation even by otherwise intelligent people.

Shrub, one time you asked me to explain exactly what I meant by prayer. I said I would reply the next day as I as had a prayer group at home. Did you think I missed the capital L when you asked if they would serve Lamb? It was funny enough as was, and I didn’t bother picking it up. I could have answered that Lamb probably came by, since he’d promised to show up whenever people gathered in his name, or something of the sort. I chose not to. Then I gave you as clear an answer as I could about prayer. You never responded, and I let that be also - there’s no obligation. That’ll do for now. Except to say, sincerely, that I’m glad of the opportunity to think and talk about all this.

Finally, despite what I said about Drew, he’s nonetheless handed me a good idea or two, particularly about music. As I said, I also recognised what he shared in his tale about the two sad little girls. I know this sort of exchange happens, because I’ve experienced it many times – though not like Drew. I also owe Mark one for some very interesting info about music and for giving me a heads up on Tartini, whose music (the little I’ve heard so far) gives me pleasure. I’d like to be sure that I’m hearing it as intended, though, rather than a ‘corrected scale’ version.

My point here is that it all depends on how you look at things. I feel it’s a serious error to reject out of hand people who don’t fit into your little scheme of things. Tear down the walls. Our capacity for understanding – like love – is infinite. Dig it.

11/09/2007 07:57:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

BPH, you reread this thread? The thread content is currently pathetic, and you would do better to read Jeff's older essays, and judiciously scan earlier threads.

And that last stuff, that is close to the way I think. You may enjoy my blog essays, and feel free to cut them to shreds if that is what they warrant.

11/09/2007 07:59:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Sounder - lack of time may have made me even more careless than I usually am - I found your comment about reptiles and it now seems probable you were talking about Pat Robertson's followers. If that's so, please excuse my comment when I thought it was me me me.

11/09/2007 08:17:00 AM  
Blogger David said...

brainpanhandler,

1. i think its funny that you are insulting, rude, and brash in the way you type - when insulated from an in person conversation. i dont think you would speak to me in person the way you do in type. why? because its uncivilised. its uncouth and its kinda lame. but then again you may not have been socialized and maybe this is just the way you are even in person.

which leads me to

2. i tried to imagine who is this closed mind BEHIND the words that hath been typed and i realised that it is me that is being mean to you not the other way around. why?

because this blog is probably your life and with little else in your pathetic world it is unfair of me to upset your playground just with my posts in response to your obvious mental issues.

i imagine a sad little person, frumpy, glasses, sexually inadequate, and confused. am i right? just a guess but the way you write does not sound like someone of sound mind.

i also suspect you are "between jobs", fighting the good fight, and a cat owner.

how do you plan to convince people of anything (if you are typing you are putting something forward no?) if you come across more like a raving lunatic - insulting more and more and more - than someone with reason.

but then again this blog is not about reason is it? so you are in good company.

i dont think much of you from your words but i suspect you must be even funnier in person. probably kinda lame.

so enjoy your playground with your mates.

and using the insect analogies, if i am a fly, then to me you are a cock-roach (emphasis added). :)

as for announciate, annunciate, i didnt know spelling was being tested on this blog. considering you can barely arrange sentences without them becoming runons that go and go and go - makes it hard to read no?

:)

11/09/2007 09:24:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Surrender... Here is a more precise less esoteric understanding of CHEMTRAILS

http://www.rense.com/general79/chem.htm

As I indicated previously, Cuba was one of the targets and the result of NOEL is at least 40,000 homeless on the island. Haiti may have been hit for the reason of it's vast unexplored oil and mineral wealth.

11/09/2007 09:26:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

David.. Your latest started off well enough and then you hit the flame button. BPH is here as are we all, to share which is to learn and appreciate resonance. As Thumper would say "If you haven't got anything good to say..."

And for you "newbies" long posts, too many links may be a problem for you at first. Just scroll on by. Some of us need to flesh out the whole story and some of us need to know.

Not a few posters here do know what's going on but that is because what is, changes in nano increments. I'm trying to keep up with it and if it gets here via Socrates, Machiavelli, Hitler or Shrub, I'm filling in the blanks.
I'm reminded of BPH's attack on Jim Phelps and his contribution to the understanding of chemtrails. He didn't attack me and he didn't attack Phelps understanding of chemtrails. He attacked Jim Phelps. Sort of pointless. In psychological parlance, that's called projecting and the fact that you're "anonymous" to me should not mean that you are in fact anonymous. It's in your file and if you don't believe that than you will not benefit from this process.

11/09/2007 09:57:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Just read Jeff's post - I'll try and get to the rest of it soon.

But I had to put this in, for what it's worth

"... Clearer than sight
Swifter than starlight
It's love's true name
That echoes in all of us
And love's green flames
Burn all the world..."

That's from a song I wrote last year - because it seems pertinent to what Jeff writes.

However I disagree that we cannot know something until we have a name for it. Perhaps we cannot think about it - left-brain think, that is. But we can and do experience it constantly, though much of it we don't notice. It's all a question of fine-tuning I believe. Thought is an imperfect tool, as is language.

11/09/2007 10:10:00 AM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

I was stunned to discover the next day that, apparently, you’d taken me seriously. Fruc don’t get it, so fuck off. Banned from the club.

That was not my intent, Fruc. I merely wanted to point out that the joke was misapplied, because your interpretation of Fuck Ron Paul was off the mark. I like to say Fuck Ron Paul because it tickles me....not because I really mean Fuck Ron Paul. I don't really care about Ron Paul any more than I do about any other politician, which is to say, I don't take their Schtick seriously and they will never get my vote. If I had an anti-vote, they'd get it...all of them, and if I had a Guillotine, they'd all get that too.

I hope there's no hard feelings. I have no beef with you, Fruc, however, I would like you to explain the generation thing. Did you have me confused with BPH (that acronym sounds like a bovine growth hormone, doesn't it?).

And I am astounded that you went as far as Googling the random letters – did you really believe I was channelling you some kind of message?

Fruc, I googled announciate, not your word match. Try googling announciate.......you will find deviant art.

I’ve been told that some don’t catch on immediately to the sort of ‘dry English humour’ which I thoroughly enjoy in the company of millions of other English people, so maybe I inadvertently rubbed you the wrong way. In the end, I probably care about as much as you do. I know a lot of people, and almost all of them would have immediately recognised that I was joking. Interestingly, perhaps that points up something about the quality of communication when removed the from the sphere of multi-sensory vibrations. And that could lead us into discussions about electronic reproduction of sound, and so on and on and on.

I like some British Humor....I don't believe British Humor is a monolithic concept, though. For example, I like Benny Hill and Monty Python, but I don't like Faulty Towers. Also, I like dry humor, but it seems to get lost in translation for me when you consider the various English accents and jargon.

For me, this blog has never been a forum in which I seek approval, popularity, or kudos.....after a while, I felt I had something to share, so I did. And will whenever I feel like it.

All I did was coorect your misinterpretation of what I said, or do, Fruc. My God, you have loaded a hole bunch of other shit on this bandwagon you've created and made it appear as though I'm trying to chase you off. Please, Fruc, by all means do what you do and I'll do what I do...whatever it is that we do. We all come here for different reasons, many of which overlap, but let's not assume that our reasons are any more magnanimous than the others. I don't assume that....and I don't care about popularity....do you really think I care about that? I'm a son of a bitch, remember?

I'm not rejecting anybody, Fruc. I didn't respond about the prayer thing because I just don't want to get in a debate about it. You feel the way you do, and you feel strongly about it, obviously. Do you honestly think that you will see it another way if I presented it? I don't, so why bother. I read what you posted and left it at that. it seesm to me that prayer is a pretty meaningless term of people are defining it many different ways. What you described is not prayer to me, but yet you choose to call it that, for lack of a better term. Why not come up with a better term...one that doesn't have all the stigma attached to it?

11/09/2007 10:13:00 AM  
Blogger David said...

ericswan,

i disagree with you on your statement that everything changes in nano-increments.

in fact i think the real reason why we cannot see the changing is not because it is in nano increments but rather because it is in exponential increments - and we are just at the beginning of the exponential curve so it looks linear.

humans find it very difficult to comprehend exponential changes. humans like linear stuff.

so for instance with technology. i believe we are at the base/beginning of an exponential curve. look at the internet as a medium for communication. the first few years were limited by technological issues and software problems. today we have the all knowing google. tomorrow we will have complete understanding.

that is why global warming is not an issue - as long as we recognise that technology moving at an exponential rate will heal the earth - as long as we make it to that point without self destructing first.

i dont understand this reference to HAARP, MKULTRA or any of the capitalized acronyms, but i would ask that if the US is so all knowing and powerful, why can Iran, Pakistan, and bin laden pose a threat to the US?

I dont believe there is a master plan to control our minds. It is pointless to do so. so what they order us to buy more McD's (i dont eat there) or consume more electronics and fashion accessories. no i dont believe it.

as for hitting the flame button - i dont know if you read what bph wrote at me, but i think i was fair in response. i am sure if i met the gimp in person i would have even more things to poke at but whatever he is a lame-o and perhaps crazy.

i agree we are searching for the answers - but to what and for what purpose?

11/09/2007 10:22:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

David..thank you for your candor. I suppose we do have more in common than at first I did perceive. Exponential would be appropriate but what I was inferring by "nano-incremental" is change at the speed of bits and bytes which you defined better than I did.

I take exception to anonymous aircraft spewing out all sorts of toxic crap over my family and me and my organic garden. I don't like helicopters that can be clearly identified flying over my house either. I don't trust them.

11/09/2007 10:49:00 AM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

I'm glad that any qigong videos online are apriori "bogus" -- because this is the trend of the internet -- everything has regressed back to hollywood and boob-tube material. It's just like UFO videos.

So how can we even trust the written word? Isn't that the focus of this blog post? Well what if, on occasion a scientist zeroed in on the secret and just about discovered it -- so close but yet so far. As it happens last night I had such another encounter. This is from "Programs of the Brain" (Oxford U Press, 1978) by JZ Young, FRS (Oxford or Cambridge physiology chair or something) -- :

"It is the relative position of the formants that are important. Each vowel sound can be produced at any pitch of the human voice. The vowel sounds are thus the result of the balance of higher and lower frequency components irrespective of pitch-shifts. There may be an anology here with Land's discovery that colours are reported as the psychophysiological products of contrasts of higher and lower wavelengths irrespective of their position in the frequency spectrum (1959). Perhaps we shall find brain mechanisms that respond to such relationships in all the sensory fields (Ohe 1962)."

Yes PERHAPS ALL the sensory fields (like proprioreception, telepathy, telekinesis, etc.) -- if only one understands that the "higher and lower frequency components irrespective of pitch-shifts" and the "higher and lower wavelengths irrespective of their position in the frequency spectrum" ARE RESOLVED BY UNDERSTANDING OVERTONE HARMONICS AS COMPLIMENTARY OPPOSITES. Pitch started from violation of the commutative principle from the Law of Pythagoras, the ratio 2:3 as an infinite transduction of energy, through the empirical truth of natural overtones. C to G is Yang as the Perfect 5th (2:3) while G to C is Yin as the Perfect 4th (3:4) and yang turns into yin, through the whole energy spectrum, thereby creating all the sensory fields, and starting from LISTENING to female formless awareness. The source of the I-thought as the source of 1 is an asymmetric resonance into female formless resonance, resonated back as the octave: 1:2. This "pitch-shift" is asymmetric so that the 7th octave, as the 12th perfect 5th, does not return to the same frequency, but transduces, in continuation with the complimentary opposites of yang, 2:3, turning into yin, 3:4, thereby violating basic symmetry of western logic. C x G does not equal G x C just as momentum x position does not equal position x momentum in quantum mechanics.

And so another scientist stumbled on the truth, only to wander off wondering what production value it had as a Nova special.

11/09/2007 11:18:00 AM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

You've been brainwashed -- Dailygrail Greg Taylor is brainwashed. There was no "golden Ratio" in Egypt as Corinna Rossi details. CIA propaganda has seeped into the synapses of the most staunch conspiracy paranormal researchers -- Graham Hancock, etc.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Vc-gwWcWUmgC&pg=PA28&lpg=PA28&dq=egypt+golden+ratio&source=web&ots=2PK5QwKJMl&sig=Fi7teVoFHooE0AGied8ru7S2d-U#PPA57,M1

11/09/2007 11:33:00 AM  
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11/09/2007 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Shrub - thank you man for responding, I appreciate that. NHF whatsoever.

As for my "generation" thing, I really was kidding all across the board. Like this.

You wrote - "Yes, but can you, and should you, hnoor and respect your parents, and elders, in general, if they're fucking you up the ass?"

The way I understand that is in the sense that we are all being used, 'fucked up the ass', by our "leaders"/"elders"/"betters", which unfortunately in many cases includes not just our politicians, pedophile priesties, counsellors and teachers, etc., but also, sometimes ,horribly, our own parents. Thankfully never me, though like everyone else I once got fondled by a priestie. Just fondled. It's a figurative as well as all too often literal fucking we're all taking. That doesn't make me laugh at all, really, but I was in a playful mood, so I put some jesting 6th form English on it. Since you conjured up an image of mass sodomy by our elders, I echoed that by saying you'd claimed to have been anally raped by an entire (elder)generation, and therefore were in no position to rag David about his lower chakras. That's it. Just a dumb joke from a failed wannabe clever Englishman.

And as for Ron Paul - as far I can tell, we feel much the same way about politicians as a species. I don't trust them at all, since none of them ever got to Washington by being James Stewart. In any event, the pressure on them once they even get close has to make it impossible for them to do any good at all, even supposing they care. As FZ famously said 'Politics is the showbiz wing of industry'.

I have to say that the little I know about Ron Paul stems from 911, when it seems he actually did stand up for a moment rather than bend over like everyone else except Cynthia Kinney. I know nothing other than that about him. He may well be a closet racist and an anti-choicer - can't say - I'm English and live in France, and can't work up the energy to research US politics in detail, particularly since there will be no improvement for us from that sector in the near future. Maybe later?

In any event, the frantic attempt to whip up support for him by any number of the Internet 'committed' strikes me as being totally vain. There seems to me not a chance in hell he'll even get the Dem nomination. I suspect it will be that drag queen Hillary Clinton, who, if she gets a shot, will surely do what Tony Blair did - he out-Thatchered Thatcher from the 'opposition'. She or the next Prez will out-Bush Bush because that's what business demands.

This anti-pol attitude of mine does cause me some existential problems as regards my call for prayer and universal love, however, because theoretically, to be coherent, I'd have to 1. not judge them, and 2. pray for them. I try. I know plenty of people here who pray regularly for politicians - I rag them all about the fact that so far, all they've succeeded in obtaining is Sarkozy, which I don't think can be defined as a success for divine justice.

But then, as they say here in France - 'the way of the Lord is impenetrable'. This sort of maybe brings us back to assholes.

I really have no more time tonight, but I have to note - and I swear this is true - my word verification for this one is BAGOD.

11/09/2007 12:20:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Wow. I haven’t been able to visit for a while now, due to medical procedures gone awry—the Western model doesn’t have a category for what’s happening to me so they just say, “But that’s impossible!” and then, instead of the anamoly sparking some interest in a phenomenon which their model can’t explain, they become uncomfortable and look away very quickly turn their backs on the whole thing (in my case, a shoulder they've ripped & torn and which now hangs completely useless, not that this is about me or my pain.) This is just another example of what Jeff’s talking about when he says:

...if language shapes our view of reality, then it may take an effort of will or a boundary experience of our own to see that there is more to the phenomenon than a punchline.

This is a much more fundamental clashing of worldviews than some abstract intellectual debate about the role of language would suggest. Some of us have taken the notion that language shapes our view of reality even further, speculating that it might change reality itself, not just our view of it.

You can find this line of thought in the well-traveled routes (well, among folks who are already disinclined to accept the received/conventional wisdom of the Official Story) in Goswami’s Anthropic Principle, for example, which takes the apparent dualism out of Bohm & Sheldrake’s implicate/explicate order/morphogenesis models by replacing it with what he calls monistic idealism:

"What if consciousness is the ground of being? What if the possibilities discovered by quantum physics are the possibilities of consciousness itself? Remember there is already a class of people who think in this way. They are called mystics, and they say it is all God. Finally, a few scientists dared to say that some of the characteristics attributed to God are similar to what we describe as consciousness." -- Amit Goswami

There are many other variations on this theme, none of them accepted by the arbiters of Truth, but this is where the story gets really interesting: the reaction of the gate-keepers (and Tim Russert is not alone—they are legion) to the heretical speculations of politicians who drop the UFO meme into their talk soup and to scientists and linguists and quite ordinary folks who question why & whether things are as they seem tells us all we need to know about why “what we don’t know can’t hurt them.”

The aggression and the highly organized imperial defense with which the heretics and doubters are attacked tells us that big cats are being kept in some serious bags. This is not the typical, by now redundant passion play about the conspiracy theorists and the Establishment. Nor is it some ephemeral debate about the nature of reality and the multiverse’s hidden portals.

I’m thinking that those old clichés about the truth setting us free and the pen being mightier than the sword really are true. If the hypothetical hundred millionth monkey (could) read Johnny Got His Gun or Saving Private Power, for example, or maybe if the larger, non-reading, Simulacran-sucking (Americans, rich or poor, now live in a culture entirely perceived through simulacra-media images and illusions...) meme-eaters who get their reality in movie format could watch Joyeux Noël...something very extraordinary could happen—we’d all wake up and say:

“Fuck this; Izzy Stone was right: we’ve been lied to about everything. There is no justification for war other than the maintenance of our subjugation and the power (and profits) of the owners.”

This is not another chapter of the stale “what is reality discussion”—this is the most fundamental question we face: do we continue to accept our lot, our allotment, our “fate,” or do we step out of the illusion that’s been created by the ruling class?

Before I lay down a few links for the great escape, I want to get back to the gate-keepers’ behavior which I described as so telling. It’s not just the usual suspects—the alphabet agencies, the lapdog/mockingbird press or even the military-industrial-surveillance complex they work for—it’s the entire edifice of what we’re supposed to think.

Jeff was exactly right when he talked about the Sapir-Whorf story, but it’s not the new interest in it that I want to highlight. It’s the reaction of the gatekeepers that we need to look at. The best place is one I’ve linked many times: Dan Moonhawk Alford’s The Great Whorf Hypothesis Hoax, where he describes the lengths that Noam Chomsky and especially Steven Pinker, the new hotshot/leading light of linguistic theory, go to in order to discredit the notion that we are shaped by language.

It’s a story of dirty tricks and fraud that sounds just like your typical Black Ops scenario because it is exactly the same thing: gangsters protecting their turf, Tsars maintaining their privilege, pseudo-democracies and see-no-evil/hear-no-evil “scientists” bashing & burning anything that challenges the assumptions upon which this shell game we call civilization rests. Here’s part of Alford’s intro (please skip past it if you’re not interested, sorry about the length):

In the original Greek story of fire-stealing, Prometheus stole fire from the gods in order to give to the humans; his punishment was to have his innards eaten by vultures throughout eternity. With Whorf, there was a new twist: linguists had already gotten away with the fire-stealing for 300 years when the physicists crept in and stole it, and Whorf was just trying to get it back -- but his punishment for nearly half a century has been having his own verbal innards fought over incessantly, but never truly devoured, by academic vultures, blindly protecting their turf.

Since many major understandings have come from people who never quote Whorf, what I would like to do right now is suggest that you stop reading my book and go find a copy of Whorf's Language, Thought and Reality. Many libraries have it, and the paperback edition is fairly cheap. I advise my students to read the last essay first, then the previous three essays, then the ones with "Universe," "Primitive" and "Habitual" in the titles; the rest at will. Reading what he actually wrote, and in his presumably 1930's Yale accent, is a great antidote to the Hypothesis Hoax literature many of you are already familiar with, since its creators seldom quote him.

Who was Benjamin Whorf and why do people say such bad things about him? I claim Whorf as a linguist, as I claim for myself even though I never finished my doctorate; but whereas I teach for a living, Whorf made his daily money as a fire-prevention engineer for Hartford Insurance Company and actually refused offers to teach linguistics. So at the center of this huge academic controversy we have someone who refused to join the old boys' club -- a 'dabbler' or 'dilettante' in linguistics, some have called him. Why should anyone care about the ideas of this outsider who never even claimed linguistics as his profession?

After 40-some years of concerted academic corpse-kicking, with respected academics claiming that they've disproved him in countless ways, why haven't his ideas just … gone away? Perhaps bad publicity is better than no publicity at all. Does that exhaust all that compels this enduring attention? And what, exactly, are we to be telling undergraduate and graduate students about Whorf these days, at the dawn of a new millennium?

Why do I care?

As I mentioned earlier, Whorf was just one of innumerable authors on language issues that I, as a typical undergraduate, was exposed to in my linguistics training at UCLA -- in my very first linguistics class, while I was still an English major -- and then not again during my undergraduate or graduate classes, since we were learning Chomsky's view of language. At the time, I didn't think much about his absence after that first class. Very insidious -- in advertising, that's called "bait and switch," but I think Whorf nonetheless got me into linguistics. I think I thought, as other linguists have admitted to me, "if this is what linguistics is all about, this is for me!"

It was not until I began retracing Whorf's steps -- until I actually worked on an American Indian language myself, and had been reading quantum physics insights for a while -- that his importance in the History of Ideas became clear to me. Whenever I discussed Whorf's insights with Native Americans, they resonated with his insights on Native languages, and therefore those insights became increasingly more important to me. Whorf had come closer than any other linguist to explicating the worldviews and langscapes of Native America.

Yet on my return from the reservation environment to academe, I found that no linguist at Berkeley or conferences seemed to be able to say Whorf's name without an accompanying sneer on their lips! They regarded Whorf as simply 'wrong', with no redeemable qualities whatever. As far as I could remember, this was a new and different environment than had surrounded Whorf when I'd left UCLA eight years before -- where Whorf was basically ignored instead of actively preached against.

Figuring out what had happened while I was gone consumed another two years of my life, and by that point I was solidly hooked by the issue. I realized there was something very simple but powerful that was being covered over by a hoax -- by all of the trivial determinism, strawman and ad hominem arguments(1) in the literature -- covering up something so important that academics were fighting like crazy to win the right to avoid ever having to talk or write about it!

Now this happens all the time within individual disciplines, but it's seldom they put aside their differences to form a "global coalition against academic terrorism" the way they did. As I tell my graduate students from various disciplines, if you really want to know what your chosen field is all about, find the fundamental issues by discovering who the big guys are beating up and why they're doing it. And if you're ever so lucky as me to find someone that four or five different academic disciplines are beating up on, you'll know you've hit paydirt.

The legacy of Benjamin Whorf

What if you had intimations of an idea SO BIG that it took a highly improbable international combination of people interested in consciousness and cognition issues -- quantum physicists, field linguists, Native American philosophers and others -- to figure out whether it had any validity? And what if the consensus of that group was that it was important for cross-cultural understanding? As we saw in Chapter Five, the perhaps most lasting achievement of disciplinary synthesis that Benjamin Whorf created, which he called the "principle of linguistic relativity" on taking it back from Einstein, has in the 1990s been de facto validated by just such a historic meeting and dialogue.

This principle, seen now as a century-long dialogue between physics and linguistics, occurs at the place where they agree, using complementarity or respect thinking, quantum logic instead of English logic -- and it's at exactly THAT principled intersection, which had never happened before, where Native American philosophers could finally join in dialogue and find Westerners for the first time in 500 years who would actually listen to their words, their insights, their langscapes and worldviews; as a result, all participants then began to explore together, after appropriate rituals, the logic and worldview of the nounless quantum (spirit) realm, and went away with very special new relationships.

Yet it is this very linguistic relativity principle, this pivotal stage on which such history has happened, arbitrarily renamed a hypothesis(2) by many social scientists, presumably "so as to be better tested," that has sparked the amazingly acrimonious debate, name-calling, and strawman argumentation that's gone on, until recently, during the five decades since the publication of Whorf's collected articles by M.I.T. Press.
Worse yet, the debate itself, their own Hypothesis Hoax, is all that most social scientists and their textbooks ever focus on, not the principle that underlies it. Students are urged to learn the intricacies of the debate from all the current and historical players -- although a close reading of Whorf himself -- in the original, in English -- is not necessarily specifically encouraged. And that's the education that most students get in the social sciences about this topic, unless they actually dig deeper on their own -- which they may be discouraged from doing because, they're told, they'll just be 'wasting their time' on a dead issue. At least, I was.

What are these academics so afraid of that they can't face and contemplate and answer student's questions about Whorf's actual text? Why the smoke and mirrors? I suspect that they fear, and rightly so, that the entire Western worldview -- logic, reason, science, philosophy, categories -- the entire 'civilization' enterprise of which academia is a part, in fact, is at stake; or at least the superior attitude that often accompanies it. It may be a fear that what we're culturally heir to is 'just another worldview and its langscapes' rather than exemplifying, as we tend to want to believe, eternal and universal human logic, which we're simply 'better at' than people who speak other languages outside of the Indo-European language family. As John Lucy says, relativity "challenges assumptions which lie at the heart of much modern social and behavior research -- namely its claim to be discovering general laws and to be truly scientific."(3)

David Abram eloquently shows in The Spell of the Sensuous that we long ago disqualified ourselves from claiming anything 'universal' as a culture when we adopted phonetic alphabets, which shifted the locus of 'interaction with the world' from Nature to the printed page -- thereby also transforming air into something empty instead of the inescapable medium of all speech interactions and all life. All the more reason then that we must now listen to the indigenous voices of those who have resisted our cultural attitudes, and who come as speakers from languages with different cognitive structures than our own, which has become so divorced and alienated from Nature.

Whorf was the only linguist of his time who understood the advances in modern physics well enough to understand that physicists had stolen the fire from the philosophy of language camp; he staked his claim and tried to take it back. He knew enough about Hopi to know that, in its proclivity of turning our propositions about things into propositions about events, its structure is more congenial to describing quantum eventings than are the structures of Western languages; in his writings he suggested Hopi as a human language candidate, a real life example, that would demonstrate the quantum logic of nounless realities perplexing physicists.


There’s so much more here that makes the case for reality not being at all like what we’ve been told and why we’ve been lied to that I can’t recommend it highly enough, along with the rest of Alford’s homepage.

Again, sorry for going on so long and sorry for not responding to things you all have written here, but I just haven't been able to participate recently this has been my topic for so many years that I just had to get off my sick bed and comment.

What’s more, this is no esoteric discussion of resonances and secret teachings and arcane positionings of orgasmic energies—this is the immediate, almost physical change that we’ve been waiting for, the chance to shed our pre-packaged skins and walk in the light of common, simple truths as equals, brothers & sisters of the same family instead of constituents of competing polities and warring factions.

I had the chance to talk to Frances Moore Lappé the other day on my way home from the hospital on a local call-in radio show. Best known perhaps for Diet For A Small Planet, Lappé is a longtime author/activist/flower child who has written many books and who truly understands the meaning of change through changing our thinking. Her new book, Getting a Grip: Clarity, Creativity & Courage in a World Gone Mad, is about scarcity & abundance, so you can see where I might have found a kindred soul. Lappé writes:

Over the decades I have struggled to get a grip on why we humans are creating a world that as individuals we abhor. It dawned on me nobody, not even the most callous, gets up in the morning determined that another child dies of hunger! Yet fourteen thousand die daily.

But only in the last decade have I finally felt I have a clue as to why this happens. Almost that long ago I first read Erich Fromm's The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness. In it he writes: "It is man's humanity that makes him so inhuman." What was he getting at? The uniquely human trait of seeing the world through lenses of our own creation. In other words, the only thing powerful enough to keep us creating a world no one wants is the power of ideas.



Two last resources and I’m done, for a while, I promise:

~~from a review of Gary Renard's The Disappearance of the Universe: Straight Talk About Illusions, Past Lives, Religion, Sex, Politics, and the Miracles of Forgiveness:

Every tradition on every continent has at its core the notion that the universe is but an illusion. I knew that. But "Disappearance" somehow had the punch, the sharpness, and maybe even the "truth," to make that vividly and concretely real. It was no longer an idea for me, but a palpable, vibrant reality. Renard's characters use A Course in Miracles as its foundational reference. I had studied that 20 years ago, and liked it. I had high respect for it. But after "Disappearance," I saw it in a new light. I finally, in a simple way, "got" it. I got the bottom line, and all the hundreds of bits that had been floating around in my head snapped into a shockingly simple understanding.

The big appeal of "Disappearance" is its utility. What I read changed the way I thought, and the way I felt, and the way I started to "be" in the world. It changed the world, too, in demonstrating that it a mere illusion. I had been hearing about that for decades. But with almost a wave of a magic wand, I saw it. I grasped it, and automatically and naturally lived it. And by lived it, I mean my perceptions shifted, and I began to unravel my own illusions. That was helpful. The book had a tremendous psycho-active impact on me, consciously, and unconsciously...


and, from The Liquid Buddha:

At Liquid Buddha we embrace the now very real opportunity for a greater unification of humanity—not through international agreements but through personal awakening…

It is a personal awakening, in the sense that each person has to realize the power of ideas and the inestimable possibilities that are so actively suppressed, but the awakening is all about discovering the common ground we have with our “enemies”—the cannon fodder on the other side of the lines that the Owners draw to protect their powers. If they can’t get us to fear and hate one another or to enjoy our pieces of silver while others starve, then they can’t make us kill one another or allow this sick illusion to persist.

11/09/2007 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger Shrubageddon said...

In regards to Chemtrails, I find it interesting what Surrender posted about them. If conventional explanations of them are true, then how do you explain Haiti? I don't imagine Haiti produces enough air traffic to warrant such trails......which leads me to believe that there is plausibility in it being deliberate.

Here in Atlanta, the trails have been visibly absent this past year, for the most part, especially in comparison to prior years when we had more rain. This could be explained away as lack of enough moisture in the atmosphere....but it doesn't explain Haiti.

Does what I'm saying make any sense to anyone?

11/09/2007 01:24:00 PM  
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Blogger David said...

brainpandhandler, you really do have way too much time on your hands. instead of communicating you play these little charades that appear to entertain yourself but only at the expense of those around you.

you really think that it's so clever to add meaning to a post by incorporating reference to triple6 and the bible and whatever else?

i think you should keep it simple and just ask yourself why you are so angry - rather than jumping ahead and trying to tackle life's little puzzles and the reason for existence. being positive will help you in all aspects of your sad sad little life.

now as for chemtrails... why would the people who are poisoning the skies do so at the expense of both themselves and those that they wish to poison? in other words, wouldnt spraying the air with these things equally affect everyone on the ground? and what does haiti have to do with this? i googled haiti and did not see a reference to chemtrails. and finally, what is the definitive purpose of the chemicals in the air? (there is a big difference between and ion shield over a city, a cheap form of electromagnetic communication, the formation of rain clouds, global warming etc). i dont think that all of these are relevant but which ones are?

and finally, has anyone recognized how lucky we are to have this freedom of speech to talk absolute nonsense - has anyone just said "thank you" for such a right/gift? i say so every day.

:)

11/09/2007 05:32:00 PM  
Blogger David said...

here is the beginning of mankind's understanding of consciousness and the shapeless notion of awareness.

http://technology.newscientist.com/channel/tech/dn12887-light-trap-is-a-step-towards-quantum-memory-.html?feedId=online-news_rss20

research in the quantum model will yield a new way in which mankind will be "aware" or "alive" and one that lets us go further in our universe than before.

brainpanhandler you said in an earlier post that the nearest star is 4 light years away and suggested that this was a problem for us. you naturally were saying it in a mean spirited way as all your posts appear to come from a high and mighty place.

but i tell yah that these big distances will not be a problem for our exploration of the universe.
it is a problem if you are stuck in YOUR mindset - that limited series of connective tissue in your brain that has prevented you from seeing or understanding different perspectives (your mind prison if you will).

but with quantum models being built and expanded upon daily, exponential returns on technology, and a direct human need to leave earth, mankind will overcome many lightyears and grow.

you're just stuck in your limited thinking.

11/09/2007 05:40:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

So you just another brainwashed male on the internet. I'll be honest with you -- after posting for 7 years online I've literally found about 7 males on the internet who actually have an idea of what I'm talking about and actually try to practice it.

By far the best place I've found for people into this subject is

taobums.

So I'll probably just stick to that site.

this book was supposed to be published by http://trineday.com. but that's a conspiracy publisher and trineday.com. just published Jeff Well's book, yet none of Jeff Well's blog readers can understand this stuff. Therefore I'm glad I posted it online first to save http://trineday.com. a lot of time.

The faster I can weed out where I'm wasting my time the sooner I can focus my practice.

11/09/2007 05:53:00 PM  
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11/09/2007 06:11:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

G3, you are right, you are wasting your time here. Because no matter how 'good' your information is, (yours is one-dimensional only), nobody is going to take seriously a person that is totally self-referential. Oh, did I mention that you are a social retard also?

11/09/2007 06:12:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Great to hear from you IC.

11/09/2007 06:14:00 PM  
Blogger Great Galactic Ghoul said...

Well when I stated "waste of time" I was referring to my NOL deduction carry-back which should be quite substantial, as long as the current trajectory continues.

As you were saying?

11/09/2007 06:42:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

G3, you remind me of my older brother, -at one time he thought he was the smartest person alive. His life tells a different story. Mind you, he is still smarter than you are, but like you he has a hard time seeing that intelligence is no cure for stupidity.

11/09/2007 07:14:00 PM  
Blogger tazmic said...

SHRUB:

What's with Haiti? I must have missed something.

Oh, and 'BPH' has to be something to do with the acidity of British petroleum...not cows.

IC:

Worf & linguistic relativity are good backgrounders for Joe Bageant's article. He captures the state of play eloquently & succinctly 'Americans, rich or poor, now live in a culture entirely perceived through, simulacra-media images and illusions. We live inside a self-referential media hologram of a nation' but your link to liquidbuddha seems a little at odds with this, as it presents virtual reality mindscapes as spiritual nourishment... (For your amusement perhaps, I make a living out of 'pushing the boundaries' of virtual reality. I don't see a lot of value in it. I did once hope that the thing to precede the Singularity would be the Singular Ennui, but wrt Bageant, perhaps that is just what adds to the acceleration.)

And I hope you make a good recovery. I'm sure there are many who look forward to your contributions here.

It is a pity how prevalent amongst the scientifically educated is the blind spot for, or the non existence of, anything which doesn't fit their models. It's an educational travesty, only tempered for me by not putting intelligence on such a high pedestal. Perhaps our preference for consistency over reason and experience is invariant with intelligence? Perhaps most things are?

But thanks for the reminder. I think this deserves a lot of attention, so I'll endeavour to go deeper, along with a refresher look at Boroughs' viral analogy.

GENERAL:

Do any of you notice how sometimes when writing to a blog, it turns into an exercise far removed from the initial intent of responding to someone? Perhaps this is behind the you-tube comments appearing to be no more than monkeys fisting keyboards?

Perhaps there is a part of the mind that hasn't yet got it, that not all screens are mirrors, and so we end up essentially talking to ourselves, and finding a lot of anger therein.

11/09/2007 07:20:00 PM  
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