Friday, September 14, 2007

"Grassroots Wisdom"

"Daniel Boone wasn't looking for unemployment insurance"

A few brief observations to follow-up Tuesday's post.

1. In my experience, people who describe themselves as apolitical are those most likely to repeat right-wing talking points, and call it "telling it like it is."

2. Binary thinking is a mind cancer that retards insight, and unfortunately flourishes in conspiracy culture. "The beginning of wisdom," said Terrence McKenna, "is our ability to accept an inherent messiness in our explanation of what's going on." But popular conspiratology is a pathological neat freak that abhors disorder and complication, which is why it can never rise above the level of entertainment and become an agent of change and justice. It's not meant to. And so it thrives.

3. Winning the battle for popular opinion might mean something if opinion in America were not so cheap, malleable, and effectless.

4. Embracing a minority position is not an admission of futility or failure. "When great changes occur in history," said this guy, "when great principles are involved, as a rule the majority are wrong."

5. "Big government "/"small government" is an unhelpful construct, and I'm sure a great favourite around Lonesome Rhodes' cracker barrel. Rhetoric notwithstanding, the US government is shrinking, withdrawing from many aspects of social spending and corporate oversight and privatizing longstanding public trusts. Even the military is increasingly evermore an umbrella of private contractors and a fist for private interests, though still under the cover of "national security." It's not the size, it's what you do with it. Or, to those who want it drowned and the others who can no longer recognize their own best interest, what you want done to it.

6. With exceptions that probably could be counted on the knuckles of one finger, the Left simply does not exist in Washington. (And I mean a Left that would be recognizably such beyond America's borders.) The Democratic/Republican duopoly is the control system's imitation of representative government and a substitute for ideological choice that rarely rocks the perpetual ruling class and its conspiratocracy. And when it does, they haven't been shy about letting us know.

7. Since I've long held the view that the neocons were intentionally set loose as berserkers to move the goalposts so they could later be scapegoated for 9/11 and Iraq, and the "true conservatives" could return in glory, I'm not particularly surprised that 9/11 Truth's Big Tent has become a conservative circus and a Texas Republican is acclaimed as the anti-war candidate.

8. Initially, and to the credit of its first generation of leadership, the truth in "9/11 Truth" referred to its absence from the official record, and the need for an independent accounting. (A recent echo of this is heard in the title of 9/11: Press for Truth.) Now, it means the Revealed Truths of the vying catechisms of "Inside Job": almost exclusively demolition, missiles and TV fakery. So it isn't enough anymore to say the Official Story is a lie, though it is, since the popular unofficial stories are as well. And perhaps told by the same storyteller.


Blogger Qlipoth said...

"So it isn't enough anymore to say the Official Story is a lie, though it is, since the popular unofficial stories are as well."

The Official Story is, demonstrably, a lie; that is in fact enough. It's the only thing that really matters, although the corporate media pretend otherwise, incessantly. ("One of the most popular Conspiracy Theories claims that 'The Jews' were responsible, and that the planes we all saw were in fact holograms...")

Certainly, a few of the popular unofficial stories are demonstrably wrong, and almost certainly intentional lies as well. Many of the others contain assertions that are as yet unproven and possibly false. But so what? How could it be otherwise? Who, alone, has full access to the remaining evidence? Who, alone, has the power to release it? The proponents of the demonstrably-false Official Version, that's who. Who are, at present, beyond the law, and under no obligation to defend themselves.

The essential point should not be obscured: that the burden of proof lies with the prosecution. So it is simply false and desperately misleading to suggest that the Miss Marples of the Internet are in any way obliged to come up with a more convincing version of events, much less demonstrate that their own version of events is in fact the true one.

- McC.

9/14/2007 05:21:00 PM  
Blogger sfnate said...

>1. In my experience, people who describe themselves as
>apolitical are those most likely to repeat right-wing
>talking points, and call it "telling it like it is."

As a long time socialist living in the US, I have always felt like a stranger in a very strange land. Mention to anyone here that you are a leftist and you will get either a derisive snort (from an intellectual) or a menacing stare (from the guy in the bar). The intellectual, maybe a liberal, maybe not, will probably patronize you with a libertarian analysis proving that all leftists are really the unfortunate inheritors of a Stalinist legacy: completely worthless and irrelevant now, but potentially dangerous like weak radiation if exposed to children or the elderly. The guy swaying on the barstool is not interested in debating the issue: in his mind the commie bogeyman still lurks somewhere in the recesses of memory, and his contempt has more to do with a childish fear that something larger than himself will appear out of shadows to take away his toys and burgle his piggy bank. And that's it, that's the spectrum in this country, all the way from the effete elite to the boozing proletariat, the unifying consensus is that individual must always be protected from the collectivist mob, and that the only real and relevant political question is how many firearms are adequate to defend the home from the legions advancing from the UN. Needless to say, I feel very lonely at times, even here in this supposedly liberal city of San Francisco. The latte liberals and iPod hipsters are so self-absorbed and focused on preparing for MacWorld and Burning Man that they scarcely have any energy left to do anything else. The cultured elites on the hill, both nouveau riche and old money, many are generous patrons of the Democrat party, but are clearly most busy expanding their mansions using all the money they looted from the dotcoms during the boomtimes here. (Drive through Pacific Heights and almost literally every other manse is in some stage of renovation or improvement. At least the contractors are doing okay...)

9/14/2007 05:33:00 PM  
Blogger Qlipoth said...

"But popular conspiratology is a pathological neat freak that abhors disorder and complication, which is why it can never rise above the level of entertainment and become an agent of change and justice. It's not meant to. And so it thrives."

Changing only two words:

"But contemporary government is a pathological neat freak that abhors disorder and complication, which is why it can never rise above the level of entertainment and become an agent of change and justice. It's not meant to. And so it thrives."

If there's one thing the Bush Gang have demonstrated in the last seven years, it's their unparalleled expertise in binary thinking. Or rather, in selling it to the public.

9/14/2007 05:51:00 PM  
Blogger Joe Adams said...

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9/14/2007 06:56:00 PM  
Blogger Joe Adams said...

At the bottom of all philosophy, of all science and of all thinking, you will find the one all-inclusive question: How is man to tell truth from error? The ignorant man solves this problem in a very simple manner: he holds that whatever he believes, he knows; and that whatever he knows is true. This is the attitude of all amateur and professional theologians, politicians and other numbskulls of that sort. The pious old maid, for example, who believes in the doctrine of the immaculate conception looks upon her faith as proof, and holds that all who disagree with her will suffer torments in hell. Opposed to this childish theory of knowledge is the chronic doubt of the educated man. He sees daily evidence that many things held to be true by nine-tenths of all men are, in reality, false, and he is thereby apt to acquire a doubt of everything, including his own beliefs.
--HL Mencken

9/14/2007 06:57:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

The government is *not* getting smaller. It's utter foolishness to confuse so-called privatization with actual shrinking of government power. If people are putting guns to heads and collecting money and enforcing rules on people who would just as soon be left alone, government power is alive and well - regardless of whether it's being wielded by someone who is 'officially' working for a corporation not entitled 'the government of the United States of America'.

Unfortunately, that's a distinction that the American Left forgot how to make after Vietnam. I do not know if the Canadian Left ever knew to make such distinctions.

9/14/2007 08:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"3. Winning the battle for popular opinion might mean something if opinion in America were not so cheap, malleable, and effectless."

Ouch! BTW, the crap-memes are thriving in some corners of the ideosphere. The comments on the JFK video you linked to are going on and on about Cooper's "the driver killed JFK" nonsense.

9/14/2007 08:24:00 PM  
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9/14/2007 11:12:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

"Recent government analysis of the Twin Towers remains shows that terrorists planted bombs, demolition-grade explosives, 'Thermate', to destroy the buildings. Go back to bed, America. You are free - to do as we tell you. You are free - to do as we tell you.

9/14/2007 11:24:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"Since I've long held the view that the neocons were intentionally set loose as berserkers to move the goalposts so they could later be scapegoated for 9/11 and Iraq, and the "true conservatives" could return in glory, I'm not particularly surprised that 9/11 Truth's Big Tent has become a conservative circus and a Texas Republican is acclaimed as the anti-war candidate."

Please tell me that you're not trying to insinuate that the US political process is little more than a corrupt marketing tool used to sell us the choice between Brand A & Brand X without telling us that both brands are owned by the same folks?

Heavens to Betsy, I'm...I'm appalled.

Now look Kemo Sabe, there's a little more substance to Ron Paul than, say, a tube of toothpaste.

& when he's finally elected, & he feels safe enough to don that black mask, & park his white horse outside of the White House, & each fireside chat starts with a hearty Heigh-Ho Silver, I think you'll understand who we've really elected to the highest office in the land.

Just wait till he announces his VP pick. If you think the recent live action remake of a certain cartoon pooches exploits was just a coincidence, then I say HA!

Just don't panic when you hear the lilting refrain "Here I come to save the day."

It will mark the dawn of a new American era when the sun will shine, the bubbly will flow like water, & our enemies will truly pelt us with roses as we bring them Democracy, Corn-Curls & The Wit & Wisdom of a REAL Texan.

Oh yeah. Psych!

Shrub said, "Richard,

It's the 14th and nothing's happened yet. I think some folks need to get ready to admit they were wrong."

Actually Shrub, if you head over to Hal's Love-in, you'll find something hilarious.
It seems he's yanked everything on his site about the 14th.
He says he's "tweaking" his site, but for a guy who has been preaching total chaos for today, he picks an odd time to do reconstruction.

Oh well, maybe he just needed more room for the huge 'I TOLD YOU SO' he planned on putting there.

The next big date is the 21st, eh?

My heart's going all 'tippity-tappity' just thinking about it.

Oh yeah, it's officially the 15th & NOTHING HAPPENED.

I suggest that, in the future, instead of trawling through the myriad ramblings of internet para-political soothsayers in search of the wheat amongst the chaff, we just go back to reading the future in animal entrails.

After all, haruspex has a long & useful history behind it while this internet thing-a-ma-bob is so junior league.

9/15/2007 12:01:00 AM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

"If you go carrying pictures
of Chairman Mao,
You ain't going to make it
with anyone anyhow.."

IC for President/Holy Guy!!

9/15/2007 01:35:00 AM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

Just Another Richard,
You Cur !! What do
you mean "nothing has happened?"
The Red Sox blow a 5 run lead in the
eighth and you sit there and pretend
that nothing has happened!?! You swine!!
The "Patriots", who bring fear to
left wing socialists across the entire
Northern Hemisphere are fined
hundreds of thousands of dollars
for merely using a video camera and
you spew ,"Nothing has happened!?"
It has become obvious Sir that you
are depraved and should be treated
like the hyena you are!! Out! Out
I say! And when your fiendish
mutterings are but a memory,
perhaps then will we find solace
in next weeks point spread. Mahalo.

9/15/2007 01:59:00 AM  
Blogger John Kirby said...


As someone who has felt for a long time, as you have, that the neo-cons were straw men or complicit patsies , I thank you for your sophisticated anaylsis on that point.

Perhaps I am out of it, however. Is Alex Jones the be all and end all of 9-11 Truth? Have conservatives truly taken over the movement? Who are you lambasting when it comes to this stuff... can you give us a list? I'm serious here, I would really appreciate a list.

What do you think of David Ray Griffin? I know he stops more or less at the Bush Administration, but honest people can debate such topics. But it seems that you believe that most people who point out evidence of controlled demolition are dishonest. This has perplexed me over the past few months, and I've written in about it before.

For those of us living in New York, controlled demolition is far from just a spurious or disinformed theory. It is written in the powerderized concrete and asbestos in our lungs, for those of us unfortunate enough to live as far uptown even as Hell's Kitchen.

While I apreciate your general point, that the Truth movement shouldn't be narrowly focused on one or the other Rosetta Stone at the exclusion of others, I am not sure that you aren't commiting the same sin in reverse. And I haven't seen you post anything compelling suggesting there weren't explosives used. Can you please direct us (honestly, please) to the best clearinghouse of anti-CD material? I would be happy to be convinced, honestly I would, that the strange implosion of WTC 7 was just a freak occurence, or the result of the rubble that may or may not have fallen on it from the first two collapses, but for now, as I bike past the NEW WTC 7 everyday, with its large "Silverstein Properties" banner, its weird always-running oversized ticker of disconnected literary tidbits, and its bizarre organ shaped statuary, my inution can't help but tell me to trust every new yorker and engineer's first impression, and the one that has now been pretty decisively, at least among people who saw or heard it happen in this town, accepted: The towers were knocked down by means of explosions, many of them heard by those in the area.

That seems to me to be 99.9% beyond dispute. But if you wan't to present a theory of "natural" collapse as a result of the plane impact on the one hand, or scalar technology on the other, I am willing to listen. However, the simplest theory that accounts for the facts is usually the best, and the use of C4 or its like certainly fits the facts as we know them... the stell as it melted, the dust as we breathed it.

Re: the plane in the pentagon. I have asked you before, Jeff, as have others, and there has been no response on this issue. Why wouldn;t they trot those pictures out if they existed? Every documentary out there makes good arguments for why it couldn;t be a plane, almost every book (including the one from Icke, for chrissakes). Is that proof that there was a plane? Because a consenus of a kind has been reached by some percentage of those attempting to piece this together?

I admit the 'no-plane' theory hit me hard to begin with, and seemed like disinfo. But where is the goddamn evidence of a plane? Why on earth would they behave as they have vis a vis the Pentagon if there were a plane? For that matter, why would they have not throughly examined the steel girders at the Tower's site, instead of carting them off and melting it all down so fast a trucker lost his job for taking a coffee break?

I know I am not telling you anything new Jeff. But could you please present your best case on these matters and then let it lie there (as a link)? In my little 9-11 truth movement, the most divisive thing going is your periodic insitence that we are all fools to believe in controlled demolition at the towers. Please, Jeff, for all of us out here who admire and respect you, will you make your best case in a single post or series, so we can refer to something when you make these references? I know you've put out links before. But's let's see the best case collected all together.

9/15/2007 07:55:00 AM  
Blogger John Kirby said...

And Jeff, P.S.--

On the Subject of Flight 77 and the Pentagon, I am sure you haven't failed to notcie that Ted Olsen is up for the post of Attorney General of these United States. He has remarried since his wife, Barbara, an Ann Coulter type figure, was supposedly killed while aboard a flight that no one has seen hit the most heavily surveilled building in the world. Is she at the Hotel Waikiki sipping daquiris with Osama? Is his appointment an award for pain and sufffering, or perhaps part of a pre-arranged deal? After the oh so obvious debacle of Gonzalez, even the rightist Ted Olsen won;t appear so bad, as the goal posts move further out to the right...

I think, despite the dispersions cast on them on this site, that the young men behind Loose Change have done the best research I have seen on this, when they unearthed the Cincinatti press reports describing a "Flight 93" that was grounded at Cincinatti International Airport and held on the tarmac for half and hour, before 200 people (the total number of people from all four flights) were led out of the plane and taken to an already evacuated NASA facility on the site.

This would fit the Northwoods pattern, where decoy planes were to be used and the young CIA offfiers on borad the original flight were to be offloaded before a remote version of their plane was to be exploded above Cuban airspace.

It may be that many of these passengers, or at least the complicit ones, (as one would imagine Olsen to be), were put in the CIA equivalent to Witness Protection, and given new identities. Or it may be that they were all executed that day, certainly the safer option. Perhaps Teddy boy was looking for a divorce from his cranky wife.

Has someone done a through examination of the passenger list? Can the Cincinatti report be confirmed? These are avenues of research that I think would be a good use of everyone's time.

One last word on this: If this is indeed MIHOP, as we all believe, it seems from my reading of previous intelligence operations that as little as possible would be left to chance. That means not trusting even well brainwashed and effective assassin/pilots to commandeer the flights and find their marks. If it were me, and I were so despicably inclined, I would make sure supervised professionals on the ground were operating the planes. This is a decades old technology, and one that we would certainly expect to be used in the operation. After all, what if Atta, moving at 500 knots, missed? One war on terror, down the drain.

PPS Review as I have the 2004 and subsequent missives from Osama to confirm that he is without doubt, and intelligence operative. His rhetoric is more and more Chomskyan, which emboldens the right even as it seems to compromise the left. He sounds as though MAry Matlan or David Carville wrote his speech....

9/15/2007 08:59:00 AM  
Blogger Jeff Wells said...

"Re: the plane in the pentagon. I have asked you before, Jeff, as have others, and there has been no response on this issue. Why wouldn;t they trot those pictures out if they existed?"

But Bit I did, more than two years ago:

"... consider the Pentagon crash, and the confiscation of the video from the service station security camera. That the video has never been released is regarded by many as damning evidence that authorities are trying to hide the true nature of the crash: that the video must reveal that it wasn't Flight 77 but a missile, or a fighter jet. But think: perhaps the video remains hidden because some people are quite happy to mindfuck the conspiracists and perpetuate an erroneous line of inquiry. Would they want to lay to rest a mistaken hypothesis, when it misdirects the efforts of so many? It may be that the question is not What have they got to hide? but rather, Why do they want us to think that they're hiding something?"

About the Pentagon, please consider that the small "penetration hole" is on the second floor. Most of the plane entered through the first, which is obscured by foam in most pictures.


"It is horrible and unforgivable for anyone still to be promoting this widely-exposed B.S.: 'How does a plane 125ft. wide & 155ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16ft. across?'

"This is false info — the ground-level entry area (where the walls were missing and support columns were missing or severely damaged and severed) was about 90 feet wide. Only the second floor area of the hole was small. Both In Plane Site and the Pentagon Strike web movie disingenuously use selective photos in which the 90-foot ground level hole is hidden behind smoke & water being sprayed by a firetruck, and it isn't even mentioned. But note that not all Pentagon no-757 advocates hide the real proportions of the hole in this way, which makes this misprepresentation even more egregious."

There is no evidence for a missile strike. Zero. And no-Boeing theory has been thoroughly debunked by skeptics of the official story.

Pentagon attack errors

eyewitness accounts

engine parts

entry wound

light poles clipped by broad-winged craft and their damage to highway vehicles

evidence of impact image forgery to advance no-Boeing theory.

Missile theory was born on the lips of Donald Rumsfeld: "Meyssan started a webpage that suggested a plane did not hit the Pentagon on October 7, and Rumsfeld gave an interview to Parade magazine on October 12 where he said a 'missile' hit the Pentagon. That 'missile' quote was then used by many no plane advocates as part of the campaign to draw attention to this claim."

I can’t believe six years later people are still chasing their tails on this.

9/15/2007 09:16:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Jeff said:

"I can’t believe six years later people are still chasing their tails on this."

I can't believe you are still swallowing yours over it.

"But think: perhaps the video remains hidden because some people are quite happy to mindfuck the conspiracists and perpetuate an erroneous line of inquiry."

That's an interpretation or insinuation of motive, not evidence of anything related to a plane or otherwise. It's your own non- sequitur mindfuck, really.

Besides, why would the FBI folks be there within five minutes to confiscate a Pentagon gas station video camera footage before the wall even fell down, unless confiscating video footage was high on your list of priorities to hide that video, instead of release it to the world? Jeff, your argument has no legs.

There never was a plane at the Pentagon remotely like a Boeing.

No aircraft of that scale leaves zero wreckage or vaporizes or leaves a little bitty hole.

I can't believe YOU Jeff are still out in the cold on this.

And if the plane did 'clip' these light poles, it would sort of make it crash almost immediately. Pictures of these light poles don't show evidence of anything running into them, they just sort of seem 'popped' from the ground like their bolts were blown out.

Besides, let's see anyone pilot a 700 series Boeing 10 feet of the ground or less? You think Hani Hanjour did that?

We could talk about AA77's pilot that morning, Chuck Burlingame. He was retired very recently from the Pentagon--where he had been involved in the terror drill where a Boeing plane smashed into the Pentagon a year or so before.

Later he went to work for American Airlines. It was Burlingame who was the very pilot who was flying "AA77" that morning. (AA77 in quotes because it really wasn't officially scheduled that day (according the Bureau of Transporation's official statistics as noted by Holmgren), so Chuckie gets into a decoy and flies off with his black op crew. No coincidence there. Burlingame flew his AA77 elsewhere and off track that morning as part of the 9-11 plan, and it was substituted with something else that even air traffic controllers said like a fighter jet instead of a Boeing.

Who could give the order over American Airlines like that? To substitute and withdraw their AA77 for something else that morning? Well seated on the board of the holding company that owns American Airlines was Bonesman David Boren. David Boren made sure 'his man' Tenet was kept on as CIA Director under Bush. CIA head Tenet and Bonesman David Boren happened to be having a working breakfast that morning in DC--even though Boren is without any official governmental capacity and doesn't even live in DC. Boren was rumored to have been pushed out of the Senate in the late 1990s due to a covered up pedophile scandal. The stench of these networks all fit.

And what about all the black ops people that were conveniently on AA77's flight roster that morning, who disappeared with the AA77 plane to places unknown? Surely you've seen that list. They certainly didn't hit the Pentagon or its perfect Pentalawn.

And what about the multiple sources of radioactivity plumes in the wake of the Pentagon attack. They weren't coming from a Boeing, though likely a DU tipped missile mounted on something.

Let's see any pilot bring something like a Boeing down in a descending spiral from tens of thousands of feet (pilots say it would fall out of the sky and can't do such maneuvers--much less in the hands of Hani Hanjour who couldn't fly a small two-seater plane).

Besides, the spiral was so perfect that it surreally hit the only side wall of the Pentagon that was pre-prepared and pre-reinforced to suffer plane attack damage.

Give us a break, Jeff, cough up your tail. The whole thing was pre-planned in intricate detail.

Let's see any Boeing attack leave zero Boeing wreckage. Fat Chance.

It's fascinating you think the official story is a total lie though hypocritically you think the Pentagon official story is true! That's a laugh.

9/15/2007 10:10:00 AM  
Blogger Ted Fleming said...

"could you please present your best case on these matters and then let it lie there (as a link)? In my little 9-11 truth movement, the most divisive thing going is your periodic insitence that we are all fools to believe in controlled demolition at the towers. Please, Jeff, for all of us out here who admire and respect you, will you make your best case in a single post or series, so we can refer to something when you make these references? I know you've put out links before. But's let's see the best case collected all together."

I agree: PLEASE. It's not enough to simply dissent.

9/15/2007 10:39:00 AM  
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9/15/2007 10:42:00 AM  
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9/15/2007 10:45:00 AM  
Blogger American Dream said...

Whatever the particulars of the debate on 9/11, I think we have to focus moreso on the forest, less on the trees. Certainly, if any consciously disinformational sources are out there, and surely there are, then there role would include having us fight more and more about less and less. That makes it all the more important for the sincere and thoughtful among us to engage critically with the evidence presented to support any particular point of view, while always keeping things in context.

The larger questions that also must be asked include:

Why does this matter?
How much do the various points of difference matter?
How is this all helping to create a more just world?

Remember that a primary M.O. of the conspiracy is not just "divide and conquer", but also "distract, distract", "control the debate", "lead the opposition" and et cetera

Of course many of us may well be completely sincere in the views we uphold, but just as much there may be those with a conscious intent to lead the 9/11 movement down a road that fosters our egos and our propensity towards totalism, dogmatism, and in-fighting.

Let us ACT for Peace and Justice, and be always clear in our reasoning and stay clear about what we know, what we don't know, and why it really matters, in relation to our most noble and conscious purposes for entering this work.

9/15/2007 10:50:00 AM  
Blogger Jeff Wells said...

"It's fascinating you think the official story is a total lie though hypocritically you think the Pentagon official story is true! That's a laugh."

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers." - Thomas Pynchon

9/15/2007 11:13:00 AM  
Blogger James Fielding said...

As I recall, the whisperings of Satanic rituals and sacrifice that have become a consistent theme here, originated in the 1980s from the fringe right wing. These are claims that, to me, were easily dismissed and initially laughable.

Isn't it important to acknowledge that people of all political stripes might stumble onto the truth now and then? Just trying to be objective, not a fascist apologist. From what I hear, foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.

I'm not right wing; far from it. I think Ron Paul is quite possibly insane for wanting to dismantle everything from the FDA to the IRS. Yet this lack of sanity has an fortunate upside; as he says things that any sane candidate would not.

If only Gravel wasn't so inarticulate and disdainfully laughable, he would be the anti-establishment figure the new-found political passionate would rally around. I think Paul's Republican status is incidental, not a cause, of his popularity.

But what do I know? I went to public school.

9/15/2007 11:42:00 AM  
Blogger Jeff Wells said...

"As I recall, the whisperings of Satanic rituals and sacrifice that have become a consistent theme here, originated in the 1980s from the fringe right wing. These are claims that, to me, were easily dismissed and initially laughable."

No, they didn't originate there, but the far right quickly created a false opposition to spread disinformation and control survivors.

As I wrote here, "why is Ted Gunderson, self-styled enemy of Satanic Ritual Abuse, a longtime friend and partner of Robert Booth Nichols, a reputed veteran of MK-ULTRA and student of Nazi occultism? (Interestingly, when then-FBI agent Gunderson had run a background check of Nichols, he reportedly found him to be 'squeaky clean.')"

And here:

"In the first part of my interview with ritual abuse-mind control survivor Kathleen Sullivan, she made the following observation:

"'Another interesting factor is that most of the more outspoken disinfo agents present together at conferences that either pander to “conspiracy theorists” and/or to the sector that is pro-Aryan and/or “Patriot.” Not all people in the Patriot movement are pro-Aryan. However, I have learned that most of the mind-control disinfo agents are, privately if not publicly, avowed racists. This would seem to be a rather odd connection, if one did not know that many Aryan organizations and cell groups use “trauma-based mind control” on their members, to ensure their submission and compliance.'

"I find this fascinating. Sullivan says that the occult-intelligence perpetrators of ritual abuse belong to the Aryan networks, as do those who have claimed leadership of its exposure. This is one of those things that threw me for a cognitive loop when I began discovering this material, which nearly tempted me to pretend the evidence for it didn't exist. (Another one was that many of the self-styled champions of mind control survivors become their lovers and handlers.) These characters, like Fritz Springmeier, Mark Phillips and Ted Gunderson, are either drawn from or pander to the extreme right: the militias, the White Nationalists, and the "Patriot" communities. (Linda Blood, author of The New Satanists, had a WTF? moment in the mid-90s at a ritual and cult abuse conference, to the delight of debunker Evan Harrington: 'Blood, who spoke later in the day, protested that she was "unhappy to be following someone [Marqui] who is pushing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion," which she said was anti-Semitic trash. Blood's protest deeply angered some and bewildered others, while about four of Blood's friends clapped in support.')

"The conspiratocracy nurtures a false opposition on the far right, to cause gentler hearts across the spectrum to turn away in disgust from inquiring after darker secrets, and perhaps also to provide cover to a pool of low-level functionaries."

9/15/2007 12:34:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

"If I don't meet you no more
in this world,
I'll meet you in the next one..
And don't be late,
Don't be late..! "

9/15/2007 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger Piers said...

While I'm sympathetic to the "Neo-Con Beserkers" idea, I find it hard to buy the Ron Paul on a white horse theory. Paul is identifiably Libertarian but he has also actively opposed the NWO agenda on so many fronts(no child left unmolested, forcible psychiatric medication on schoolchildren, the Patriot Act, Iraq War, etc). Why would Fox news attack him so much? Why the almost complete blackout from the mainstream media? His post-debate polling numbers are shocking. Why don't we ever hear about on the CBS news?

He looks to be a wild card that is screwing up the script....We'll see...

911 looks increasingly like JFK. Many plausible theories, anomalies, red herrings and limited hangouts. Many, if not most, Americans believe that there was a conspiracy but act as though "that was then, this is now." How can one believe that 911 was MIHOP and continue believing that the ballet box makes the least difference? Our foreign and economic policy has been cut from the same cloth for at least 50 years. They want us to get fired up about gay marriage and cloning while they rain bombs and depleted uranium on some unfortunate population....

9/15/2007 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger Joe Adams said...

From multioswald:
"He looks to be a wild card that is screwing up the script....We'll see..."

IMHO, he looks to be someone to harness, divide and divert energy; and ultimately demoralize. I'm certain he is unaware of this. I'm certain he believes to be fighting the good fight.

I believe a complete sense of helplessness is in the final design. As are most subjects, events and study thereof within deep politics. Think France 1940.

I would suggest everyone read Triumph of Treason (1943) by Pierre Cot for a bit of perspective. You might find my argument reasonable.

9/15/2007 01:20:00 PM  
Blogger AJ said...

"You Cur !! What do
you mean "nothing has happened?"
The Red Sox blow...."

Enough said.

Actually, Richard is not just a cur because he did not mention the Sox, or because he holds onto a lovable yet misdirected martyr/compassionately pessimistic complex our esteemed host does at times, but most importantly that he didn't mention what matters most at this excitingly pregnant time in history-i.e.

Kind to think of it, you didn't either. Shame.

9/15/2007 01:42:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

Grass Roots Wisdom followed by Grass Roosts Actions.

We are being distracted. From what??? Maybe that is the question.
My guess is a slow ivisible mass genocide.

9/15/2007 05:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Surrender. The following is for you...since you asked.


Do you understand now?

9/15/2007 08:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kind to think of it, you didn't either. Shame.

Yeah, well, when you're preoccupied surviving the next big Hurricane because you live in Diagon Alley, you can't think of everything. Plus....Libertarians are not the best multi-taskers.

9/15/2007 08:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are being distracted. From what??? Maybe that is the question.

IC already answered that question many times over, and I think his answer is spot on. They distract us from ourselves and the potential collective power we have to render them irrelevant.

Derren Brown isn't the only one exercising mind control. Look around America. Derren Brown's mind control techniques are unbiquitous and they work like a charm. 9/11 is one of those techniques. I'm sure you can think of a myriad of others. As IC said, we are profoundly malleable.

9/15/2007 08:53:00 PM  
Blogger EmbryX said...

I have been a reader for some time now.
In fact, I visit daily to see if there is a new post by you. So, I guess, that makes me a fan.
However, I'm not a fanatic of your work & so I have a criticism.
Please, can you refrain from the broadstroke put-downs of the 911 Truth Movement of which I am a part, as are you.
The tent of which you speak, covers you too. Your commentary is equivalent to someone being sheltered from the rain, yet complaining about the quality of the weave. Your covered & dry, so far.
In your post above you quote - "The beginning of wisdom," said Terrence McKenna, "is our ability to accept an inherent messiness in our explanation of what's going on."
Can you, therefore, please apply this to your own thinking when it comes to 911 Truth enquiry?
Would you prefer if there existed now, no 911 Truth Movement?
Is it possible for you simply to accept that, finally, people across the world are waking up to two of the core methods of political science, ie The Hegelian Dialectic & The theory & practice of the Big Lie.
Can you also, please, accept that, for all its faults, 911 Truth, may well have prevented the next False Flag event being enacted by the same gang to justify their attack on Iran.

How people explain the reality of power & its application to their lives will, inevitably, be 'messy'. Of course the 911 Truth Movement has its right-wing cranks, of which Mr. Paul maybe one, especially when one considers his economic policys.
However, the paradigm of Right-Left has been broken in many minds for some time & I write as a former Socialist Worker activist. Any 'Left' analysis of the world today is a postcard from yesteryear, I'm sorry but, any power elite, anywhere, at anytime, simply cannot be trusted to employ the more socially acceptable ideas of socialism - healthcare, you name it.
It's gone Jeff. let go. Get over it.
Thank you.

9/15/2007 09:43:00 PM  
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9/16/2007 04:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“Crazy people who still think the government brought down the Twin Towers in a controlled explosion have to stop pretending that I’m the one who’s being naive,” joked Bill Maher on HBO, the “entertainment” corporation owned by telecommunications behemoth Time Warner. “How big a lunatic do you have to be to watch two giant airliners packed with jet fuel slam into buildings on live TV, igniting a massive inferno that burned for two hours, and then think ‘Well, if you believe that was the cause…’ Stop asking me to raise this ridiculous topic on the show and start asking your doctor if Paxil is right for you.”

Of course, you likely need Paxil if you think kerosene fires are capable of melting steel and, more to the point, if you believe government will not kill its own citizens. History is replete with examples of the latter, even if you consider Operation Northwoods dubious. But then, millions of brainwashed Americans, watching not only HBO, but Fox News and CNN, believe the government is here to help us, protect us from fantastical cave-dwelling terrorists, provide for us in old age, take care of us when we are sick, and shelter us during natural disasters, the examples of Katrina and confiscatory taxation not withstanding.

It is a hard nut to crack, this deeply entrenched brainwashing, and those of us who understand the truth — government is here to rob us blind and, when it serves, feed us into wars designed to enrich and empower a small and psychotic elite. Evidence is all around, out in the open for all to see, but then most people, citizens deluded, are too busy chuckling it up over the sophistry, passing as comedy, of Bill Maher.

Bill learned his lesson when, embracing the official 9/11 fairy tale, he agreed with “conservative” (read: neocon) political commentator Dinesh D’Souza on his ABC show Politically Incorrect that the 9/11 terrorists were not cowards and felt compelled to add: “We have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That’s cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it’s not cowardly. Stupid maybe, but not cowardly.” It should be considered suspicious that Maher would have a neocon such as Dinesh D’Souza — a member of the Hoover Institution, a criminal organization cranking out the likes of Condi Rice — on his show. But then most Americans have no idea who Dinesh D’Souza is or that he is a proponent of American exceptionalism, that is the right to kill people anywhere in the world, so long as it serves America, or rather the elite in America.

For his ill-advised comment, Maher was bounced from ABC after advertisers ran covering their heads and Ari Fleischer, then White House press secretary, responded to a reporter’s question about Maher’s comments by saying: “…they’re reminders to all Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do,” in other words, even Maher’s relatively moderate comment is unacceptable in America after “everything changed,” that is to say after cave-dwelling Muslims violated the laws of physics and made Norad stand down.

Now Bill’s a good boy and if HBO - owned by Time Warner's death merchant division, Time Warner Telecom, in bed with the Defense Department — demands he characterize people interested in understanding what really happened on September 11, 2001, as mental patients in need of SSRI medication, of course he is obliged to comply, no matter if he believes they are nut cases or not (in likewise fashion, whores on occasion are obliged to act as if they enjoy sex with their customers).

Considering the distressing state of television and “comedy” as presented on HBO and elsewhere, it is no wonder more people are not on Paxil. But then I suppose, for those of us easily brainwashed from Sesame Street onward, right through school and later provided with more or less mandatory daily doses of slick propaganda, acting as a passive-aggressive equivalent to Orwell’s two minute hate sessions, we are comfortable with our collective mental illness delivered by psychopaths at the top and handsomely rewarded jobholders such as Bill Maher.

9/16/2007 04:04:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Precious insight David but you missed Maher's comeback from banishment. That would be his collection of wwII propaganda piece that scared the s``t out the PTB. Maher is just that good.

911 is the one trick pony that Jeff has chosen not to ride. That pony is dumb and blind. There is a battalion of disinfo artists working that file. One more voice is not going to make it or break it.

9/16/2007 07:10:00 AM  
Blogger wwwdotnet said...

"3. Winning the battle for popular opinion might mean something if opinion in America were not so cheap, malleable, and effectless."

And the mind of child is a malleable thing. The parents take on the responsibility of nurture and moral guidance for their child to grow with. And so the abusive foster parents of the world must be seen for who they are. And for us to realize we have grown and seen their wrongs. But to take care of others, try at least, to educate and guide those sheep away from the wolf. We are in an urban living, but people exist with an ability to see though our fictional, second-hand and battered reality, suffering at times with such intuition as they have, to bring back messages, in an attempt to release the populace from their path to slavery. The shaman is dead in the old sense of the word, but a replacement has been art, literary and visual, whereby we can take back our creation, re-mold its malleable existence, and allow for the physical world to follow.

I don't think it should be a battle for popular opinion, but a battle for popular realization that "They distract us from ourselves and the potential collective power we have to render them irrelevant." (Ericswan quoting IC)

Surrender - yeah, they have disconnected from humanity, but i like to think that humanity creeps up on them at times. Maybe whenever they are wiping shit from their asses, they remember who they are. Or maybe they don't wipe their asses.

Bombay - had some black seal yesterday...mmmm...

9/16/2007 09:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Or maybe they don't wipe their asses.

Of course they don't wipe the shit from their asses....that's our job....the job the Little Eichmans do dilligently and proudly everyday. It's extremely diificult to not be a Little Eichman and get by, consequently, ass-wipers are a dime a dozen.

9/16/2007 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

had some black seal yesterday...mmmm...

Really!! I had some Ancora French Sumatra and Organic Valley 1% Lactose Free.....but I acquired mine from a non-CIA source. That's what kills me about the Libertarian Druggies. They'll purchase their drugs from the Cabal's Drug Network that uses those funds to finance all of the black ops false flags around the globe that the Libertarians harp on about ad nauseum. I have a profound idea....why don't you grow your own, at least, instead of bragging that you're financing the CIA's nefarious dealings.

Drug Dealers are Shitbirds....that's the damn truth. They are as much scum of the earth as Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney and all the other Shitbirds on Capital Hill and the State Houses. They're all cut from the same shit-soaked cloth.

9/16/2007 09:43:00 AM  
Blogger Jeff Wells said...

"It's gone Jeff. let go. Get over it."

Not yet I won't, and I'm not being nostalgic. I think the only credible opposition to globalism, and perhaps our best model for surviving the 21st Century, is the internationalism exemplified by the Bolivarian Revolution.

Chavez at the 2005 World Social Forum:

"Everyday I become more convinced, there is no doubt in my mind, and as many intellectuals have said, that it is necessary to transcend capitalism. But capitalism can’t be transcended from with capitalism itself, but through socialism, true socialism, with equality and justice. But I’m also convinced that it is possible to do it under democracy, but not in the type of democracy being imposed from Washington. We have to re-invent socialism. It can’t be the kind of socialism that we saw in the Soviet Union, but it will emerge as we develop new systems that are built on cooperation, not competition.

"Privatization is a neoliberal and imperialist plan. Health can’t be privatized because it is a fundamental human right, nor can education, water, electricity and other public services. They can’t be surrendered to private capital that denies the people from their rights."

I guess that's not Ron Paul's revolution.

9/16/2007 09:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think it should be a battle for popular opinion, but a battle for popular realization that "They distract us from ourselves and the potential collective power we have to render them irrelevant." (Ericswan quoting IC)

Thanks for quoting IC, Ericswan. I knew we could count on you.

9/16/2007 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger wwwdotnet said...


I don't think it should be a battle for popular opinion, but a battle for popular realization that "They distract us from ourselves and the potential collective power we have to render them irrelevant." (SHRUBAGEDDON quoting IC)

Sorry Shrub, my mistake. No offence meant by it. i don't know why i wrote Ericswan.

I am not a libertarian druggie. I smoked my friend's black seal. I agree completely with the drug issue, and will pass on the message to him.

Wake up on the wrong side of the bed today? you seemed to have picked out me out...

9/16/2007 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Dot,

No, I'm not picking on you....I swear. If the shoe doesn't fit, then you don't wear it, right?

However, riddle me this. How does one go from Homeless to a seemingly unlimited supply of Bombay Sapphire Gin in the Freezer and Lebanese Blond in the....ummm...exotic Asian container with many compartments? How does this same formerly homeless person find the time and money to travel at will to various locales to support other Libertarians in their noble human rights efforts? Is it a rags to riches story? Is it the kindness of others that facilitates such a carefree lifestyle? Just a poor person with rather aristocratic tastes? Or, perhaps a trust fund brat?

9/16/2007 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger surrender said...




..."They distract us from ourselves and the potential collective power we have to render them irrelevant."

Are "they" irrelevant, YET??

That's a discussion I am waiting for. When "they" become so irrelevant that it doesn't matter what Jeff's opinion is on 9/11, or yours, or mine....

When will we begin to recognize our collectve power and the Source of that power???what will we say and do then???

“… Life is not about Power, but about Strength. It’s not about separation, but unity. For it is in the UNITY that INNER STRENGH exists, and in the separation that it dissipates, leaving one feeling weak, and powerless-hence struggling for power.

Heal the rift between you, end the illusion of separation, and you shall be delivered back to the Source of your inner strength. That is where you will find True Power. The power to do anything, The power to be anything. The power to have anything. For the power to create is derived from the inner strength that is produced through unity.

Power comes from inner strength; inner strength does not come from raw power. In this, most of the world has it backwards.

Power without inner strength is an illusion. Inner strength without unity is a lie. A lie that has not served the human race, but that has never the less imbedded itself in human consciousness. To think that inner strength comes from individuality and from separateness, is simply not so.

Separation from the Source and from each other is the cause of all dysfunction and suffering. Still, separation continues to masquerade as strength; and politics, economics and even religions have perpetuated the lie.

This lie is the genesis of all wars, and all the class struggles that lead to war; of all animosity between races and genders, and all the power struggles that lead to animosity; of all personal trial and tribulations, and all the internal struggles that lead to tribulations.

Still, we cling to the lie tenaciously; no matter where we see it lead us-even if it is leading to our own destruction.

ACT as if you were separate from nothing, and you heal the world.

Understand that it is about power with, not power over.......”

9/16/2007 12:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I couldn't agree more with those words.....but I don't think American Libertarianism shares your sentiments.

You still don't get the SANKA thing, do you Surrender? It wasn't aimed at was aimed at Syn Diesel and his blunt force tirade yesterday.

9/16/2007 01:10:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

"and a Texas Republican is acclaimed as the anti-war candidate."

Ron Paul gets all the attention precisely because he is the only republican anti-war candidate. Ofcourse he's going to stand out and attract strange bedfellows from the left. Just consider Bill Maher or Jon Stewart fawning all over him. Ofcourse the neocons then call him a "fake republican" conspiring to bring down Das Party.

9/16/2007 03:05:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

" was aimed at Syn Diesel and his blunt force tirade yesterday."

Blame the experimental narration software AI I'm currently running on muh computer! Not just for spam anymore.


9/16/2007 03:07:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

Ron Paul doesn't support Corporate Privatization:

9/16/2007 03:19:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...


Think it's time for another cuppa... SANKA.

Lots of milk, no sugar.

9/16/2007 04:34:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

Abbie Hoffman wouldn't drink SANKA you cocksuckers! Oldschool mofos, oldschool!


9/16/2007 04:54:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

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9/16/2007 06:01:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

This might be new to some of you. Then again, if you didn't buy the story that some retarded people on Danziger Bridge got shot because they wouldn't listen..well anyway.. _2006/090807A.shtml

take out the ... space... after docs..

9/16/2007 06:04:00 PM  
Blogger wwwdotnet said...

If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it, or maybe if the foot is fat, swollen and rotting, you need a shot of penicillin.

9/16/2007 06:54:00 PM  
Blogger wwwdotnet said...

Chortle, chortle.

9/16/2007 06:55:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

Happy Birthday, Margaret!

Hey liberals, celebrate your Satanist, Bush-family-financed American neo-Nazi eugenicist.

9/16/2007 07:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

or maybe if the foot is fat, swollen and rotting, you need a shot of penicillin.

Penicillin's losing its efficacy....soon we will be returning to the days of the surgeon's saw, thus rendering the shoe, and the question of whether it fits, irrelevant.

Chorizo, chorizo.

9/16/2007 09:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Have you ever considered Baby Sitting as a profession? I think you would make a fantastic Baby Sitter.



9/16/2007 09:15:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

But if I sit on babies I could smother them.

Back to the fun real world:

Do a Google News search to see how russia spent it's friday the 14th as the U.S. military was standing down.

9/16/2007 11:11:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

In honor of AJ & the good Doctor, I did something I haven't done in years; I watched 9 hours of football today.

Now, I just have one question for those esteemed gentlemen:

What is the tie in between football fandom & erectile dysfunction?

Because there were a hell of a lot of ads for viagra & cialis.

As far as drug ads go, I'm fairly sure those were the only ones.

See, here's what I think, all of those asses wedged so snugly into all of those comfy chairs for such extended time periods are just smothering their wedding tackles.

Move it or lose it guys.

Just an opinion.

9/17/2007 01:48:00 AM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

Gotta keep the testicular tissue temperatures down. That's why Durk Pearson wears such kooky klothes since the early 80's.

9/17/2007 03:13:00 AM  
Blogger wwwdotnet said...

Football is a neocon creation for depopulation? A complete perversion of power through unity.

Penicillin's losing its efficacy....soon we will be returning to the days of the surgeon's saw, thus rendering the shoe, and the question of whether it fits, irrelevant.

So how about- "If the bandage won't wrap round the bloody stump, let it rot."

9/17/2007 04:42:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Jeff. I think you would agree that Naiomi Klein is one of the best we got. I'm sure you will appreciate this precis to her new book.. _2006/090807A.shtml

9/17/2007 06:49:00 AM  
Blogger wwwdotnet said...

Syn Diesel -

got a link? I am googly retarded, I couldn't find my own virtual ass on it.

9/17/2007 11:31:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Wow! What a weltering stew of conflicting memes, histories and points of view! Not that this state of affairs is terribly novel around here, but I never cease to be surprised by it, if only because we do all share one common perception: that the Truth has been hidden, erased, censored and generally made to wear someone else’s clothes for someone else’s benefit. One might think that this single commonality might lead to some sort of consensus (the only sort of “reality” we ever get to see…at least under normal circumstances), but no; what we get is a Mad Hatter’s convention of contending viewpoints.

Part of this is certainly due to the fact that reality is a very complex organism, chock-full of apparent contradictions, false leads and stubborn Zen koans, but this writhing contentiousness is also, I think mostly, due to our preference for deductive over inductive reasoning. For those in need of a refresher on the difference, the Knowledge Base has a nice one-page summary, but it can be summarized very easily as follows. Deductive reasoning is top-down (which should make it immediately suspect, since it’s the method of the Propaganda Channel, Dr. Cialdini, and every ideology out there), while inductive reasoning starts with specific observations and cautiously works its way up to some sort of theory. It’s also deceptively easy-looking; keeping your preconceptions out of your reasoning is extremely, even mind-bogglingly difficult in actual practice.

But that’s later on. The first difficulty is in how low you can go in the meme chain to escape your biases. What are the first causes? Here’s what I’ve found from looking at the ideas expressed in this thread and then erasing the whiteboard to start over.

Unarguably, we have some very real problems facing us, perhaps as never before in our long human’s race. (Towards where…?) We have massive insecurities, unprecedented levels of fear and, apparently, very few options. We know, beyond any reasonable doubt, that:

• we’ve been lied to
• half the world is basically homeless while the other half either looks on with impotent empathy or tries not to look at all
• the earth’s ecosystems are dying
• our way of life is not sustainable

Some of us are aware that despite the advent of democracy, diplomacy and the March of Progress, the gap between rich & poor is growing faster than at any point in recorded history. (We’re still debating how egalitarian pre-historic, tribal societies were, but the answer seems to be that in general they were much more so before Thomas Jefferson ever picked up his quill than afterward.) Almost nowhere in this current thread did I see any question about why this should be so and whether we could or even should do something about the glaring, growing inequality in the world.

Our friend surrender did say some very interesting things about the artificial and ultimately lethal segregation under which we “live,” while Jeff has come out quite forcefully in support of a new Chavez-style Socialism as the only effective defense against the dark spectre of Corporate Globalism that is driving our accelerating death march, but the response here, in the friendly confines of one of the few places where most folks realize that History has been bunked and punked is less than overwhelming.

I’m personally all for both ideas, but I also know that some huge groundwork needs to be laid for either to have any chance of succeeding. Let’s start with Jeff’s position, since that’s the easiest to talk about in concrete terms.

I empathize with Jeff’s position, I really do. Before I came upon my current orientation, I was always a socialist (or, well, an anarcho-socialist at any rate.) But there are two problems with socialism as a solution to globalization. The first is that, as Michael Parenti puts it, “Our fear that communism might someday take over most of the world blinds us to the fact that anti-communism already has.” You know what the political climate in the US is—“the failure of Socialism” is code for “the triumph of corporatism.” Chavez has no more hope of winning the hearts and minds of the American body politic that poor, dead Victor Berger does (even though Berger did once inspire millions, including Mr. Debs.)

It’s not as simple as an undying faith in the market system; it’s the complete inability to conceive of any socio-economic arrangement that does not include some sort of market system. Even Naomi Klein, in that new book that ericswan linked, was unable to see life beyond the marketplace. She describes with ansolute clarity the shock & awe of disaster capitalism; she talks about how the imperative to privatize every single government function has been aided and abetted by establishment economists, corporate think-tanks (is that, btw, a watery pool of octopoidal geniuses or an armored attack vehicle piloted by Mensa members?) and the agents of the Corporation placed within the wreckage of our “public” institutions…but she still can only imagine, as a best case scenario, the following Keynesian world:

It is time for this to change. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, there has been a powerful reckoning with the crimes committed in the name of communism. But what of the crusade to liberate world markets?

I am not arguing that all forms of market systems require large-scale violence. It is eminently possible to have a market-based economy that demands no such brutality or ideological purity. A free market in consumer products can coexist with free public health care, with public schools, with a large segment of the economy - such as a national oil company - held in state hands. It's equally possible to require corporations to pay decent wages, to respect the right of workers to form unions, and for governments to tax and redistribute wealth so that the sharp inequalities that mark the corporatist state are reduced. Markets need not be fundamentalist.

This is as far as the “Left” is willing or able to go and it’s just not enough. Coincidentally, it’s about as far as most of those “patriotic” 9/11 Truthers can ride their vision of a better world: put the perps behind bars, reset the clocks to 9/10, and let freedom and justice once more reign. Remember the Alamo, even.

The problem with Klein’s modest proposal is that it ignores both the reality of the plutocracy that has been running the world ever since the dawn of that glorious agricultural revolution and the fact that any market system depends upon constant expansion and growth (just like imperialism, come to think of it…)

The problem with Jeff and Hugo’s new socialism (aside from the dangers inherent in any centralized system—the invitation to the formation of an elite), is that such a thing could never, ever happen in America (again). I say again because there once was a time when socialist systems were functioning very well in the Land of the Free. You’ll find no trace of that anymore, unless you know where to look—it’s as if it never happened at all. (See that Berger link, if you are interested...)

The reason it can never happen again is because of what happened during WWII and the Cold War. As Michael Parenti says in the Intro to Blum’s Killing Hope:

Our fear that communism might someday take over most of the world blinds us to the fact that anti-communism already has.

Syn quite cynically points out the hypocrisy of the Left in “celebrating” Margaret Sanger, but this apparent infiltration of the Right (via eugenics) into “liberal causes” is only one aspect of the overall program. Back to Blum for a slightly wider perspective:

From the Red Scare of the 1920s to the McCarthyism of the 1950s to the Reagan Crusade against the Evil Empire of the 1980s, the American people have been subjected to a relentless anti-communist indoctrination. It is imbibed with their mother's milk, pictured in their comic books, spelled out in their school books; their daily paper offers them headlines that tell them all they need to know; ministers find sermons in it, politicians are elected with it, and Reader's Digest becomes rich on it.

The fiercely-held conviction inevitably produced by this insidious assault upon the intellect is that a great damnation has been unleashed upon the world, possibly by the devil himself, but in the form of people; people not motivated by the same needs, fears, emotions, and personal morality that govern others of the species, but people engaged in an extremely clever, monolithic, international conspiracy dedicated to taking over the world and enslaving it; for reasons not always clear perhaps, but evil needs no motivation save evil itself. Moreover, any appearance or claim by these people to be rational human beings seeking a better kind of world or society is a sham, a cover-up, to delude others, and proof only of their cleverness; the repression and cruelties which have taken place in the Soviet Union are forever proof of the bankruptcy of virtue and the evil intentions of these people in whichever country they may be found, under whatever name they may call themselves; and, most important of all, the only choice open to anyone in the United States is between the American Way of Life and the Soviet Way of Life, that nothing lies between or beyond these two ways of making the world.

This is how it looks to the simple folk of America. One finds that the sophisticated, when probed slightly beneath the surface of their academic language, see it exactly the same way.
To the mind carefully brought to adulthood in the United States, the truths of anti-communism are self-evident, as self-evident as the flatness of the world once was to an earlier mind; as the Russian people believed that the victims of Stalin's purges were truly guilty of treason.

Now that Osama bin Laden is so conveniently quoting Blum (whether as a result of some sort of conspiracy or because, even more shockingly, he’s right about America and the West), there can be going back to any pre-9/11, pre-Cold War, pre-Corporate Hegemony thinking. For anyone.

I’m not even sure how much longer you’ll be able to say the world socialism in public anymore, unless it’s in the proper sneering tone.

This is not to say we can’t implement something very much like it anyway; it’s just not going to come about through any sort of election or other such “democratic process.” Not will this occur as a result of your typical revolution.

There is, fortunately, another kind of revolution at hand.

Sure, Americans are ill-educated and fearful (that’s a goal that has been worked toward very hard for a long time). They’re also terribly insulated from the rest of the world. Fewer of them speak foreign languages than ever before; fewer read books; fewer have any grasp of what happened before they were born (or last Tuesday, for that matter.)

Still, something has changed.

Maybe it’s because they’ve been pushed too far too fast. Maybe it’s because they know a dollar doesn’t go as far as it used to, or that their healthcare and their retirement have been taken away from them, or that the successive waves of public scandal have eroded any last vestige of confidence in the political system, or that they feel a vague unease about the changing weather patterns and the demise of Nature…For all these and even more reasons, they now know they’ve been lied to, where before they might only have suspected it.

It’s not our special intuition anymore.

While it might also be true that this erosion of confidence was intentional on the part of those who’ve been behind this aggressive campaign to privatize all governmental functions, it’s a dangerous moment for the Corpocracy, too.

If there’s one good thing that’s come from the whole Peak Oil/Inconvenient Truth/Liberal Apocalypse scare, it’s the understanding that we can’t live the way we do much longer. No one really cared or understood when Edward O. Wilson explained his Biophilia Hypothesis, except that most of us are vaguely uncomfortable with the notion that our way of life depends upon the steady extinction of 200 species everyday. Mainstream, mechanistic/materialist science can’t really explain why biodiversity is important because it just doesn’t do connections very well.

The Leaders think they can channel these vague fears and suspicions into a new form of Eco-fascism and a Gordon Brown-style RFID Panopticon (for our own good, naturally), but if the word gets out that biodiesel & ethanol are just the first oil company/Monsanto sponsored steps toward Soylent Green and that there’s another way, then we might still have a chance.

It hasn’t amounted to much yet, but folks are starting to talk about not just scarcity but the manipulation of scarcity; as counterintuitive as Bucky Fuller’s ideas still seem to most of us, the knowledge that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts is gaining momentum. One day very soon, responsible scientists might even rediscover their consciences long enough to join the chorus that asks why no money is being spent on solar energy research and reforestation and preventative medicine and education and public transport and sustainable agriculture and…in bringing the poor out of the cold.

And ourselves out of our isolation.

9/17/2007 03:20:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"Still, something has changed."

While I'm not trying to refute you IC, watch this video & notice how the crowd at this Kerry speech actually claps when this poor kid is dragged out & tasered for asking Senator Monotone 3 relatively minor conspiracy related questions.

As far as the political process IC, I've been watching a chunk of cold war, a-bomb related stuff like Atomic Cafe, The Atomic Bomb Movie, Trinity & Beyond, etc., & I've also watched as many of the Sunday morning talking head news shows I could stomach & I'm amazed at exactly how politicians haven't changed. In both instances, cold war propaganda vs. Iraq War propaganda, the politicians calmly explain their, to all appearances, well thought out reasons for acting completely & totally bugfuck.

9/17/2007 07:48:00 PM  
Blogger wwwdotnet said...

IC said - ( yes shrub, count on me.)

” You know what the political climate in the US is—“the failure of Socialism” is code for “the triumph of corporatism.”

This intrigued me, as I feel there is a growing warmth to communism, in its junior level of Che-image ridden towels and condoms, due to the anti communism in America. The failure of Socialism is code for the perceived triumph of corporatism, which in turn creates a warmth to communism from the outside world that watches the US with raised and hesitant eyebrows. I guess we can keep adding to the word antidisestablishmentarianism.

Our intelligence is in fact a problem. We get tricked, and create tricks, through the attachment of meaning, and conclusions through falsehoods.

A squirrel will never let another take its nuts. A squirrel could not get convinced that their nuts are needed to feed the squirrels that are away defending the forest borders from the evil red squirrels , who have been arming themselves with sticky sap, ready to smother their little furry offspring with.


I experienced a wonderful psilocybin journey this weekend. (homegrown with nurture Shrub, I promise) We communicated in instantaneous moments, felt and saw our deep connection and one of the many things I took away from it, was the observation that without the issues present in the world, we would not have our reactions to it. This place we type in would not exist in the way it does. It sounds obvious, but a lot of our art, and beauteous things are the product of repressive times. I am not advocating the need for this inherent Evil of the world, but there is a constant flux, we are here to Ying the Yang and others to Yang the Ying.

Just-another-dick , the link says malinformed video or sumthin, could you repost the title of the video?

9/17/2007 09:00:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Richard..I hope I can restore your faith in the human race. The clapping was for the questions. No clapping only protestations for the tazing.

IC..Klein appeals to me based in that immediate sense of disclosure that is gained when two pieces are finally put together. The Danziger Bridge incident where at least 5 people were shot dead at the height of the Katrina disaster and the tsunami event. Even though some of us pointed out the conspiracies of Katrina and the tsunami, Klein follows the story to a conclusion that these things happened so that others could do a land grab that she researches and exposes without so much as a mention that the levee was blown up by black ops, that the Danziger 5 were witnesses that needed to be eliminated, that the tsunami was caused by a nuclear detonation and that the villages on the coast were the target. End of story.

9/17/2007 10:25:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

On "Development Capitalism" and all that:

I agree, Eric. Here's another chapter Klein won't touch about New Orleans:

Title: Pre-Katrina "urban renewal" buy-up of 25% New Orleans by alleged 9-11 mafia links

2005.09.14 11:39

Description: This goes on about the tentative similar parallel to alleged gangster-connected Hertz who just bought up 25% of New Orleans--and how he is alleged to be connected to the Israeli and Colombian Drug Cartels. That goes well with the more well known Bush/Israeli/Lansky/Malnik/ mafia connections--only one remove from George H. W. Bush. It doesn't take a detective to note that if Hertz has alleged links to Israeli mafia and drug smuggling money laundering into real estate, and that the Bush ties into this very nexus of Israeli mafia are more well known, that the aftermath of the Hurricane Katrina disaster may have been well planned out at least 26 months in advance, when Hertz began to buy up 25% of New Orleans. Is this a Bush [and HAARP] redevelopment operation outsourced to Hertz? And if it is a PRELIMINARY buy-up, that makes the hurricane even more sinister if a HAARP attack was planned out with urban renewal in the same cold blooded breath. After all, Hurricane Katrina was heading directly across the Gulf of Mexico, until, screech, it makes a 90 right turn dead toward New Orleans when it gets directly south of it."

Jeff has talked about a form of 'New Orleans development terrorism' in New Orleans before, in this one from January 2006, and it goes right into the same network:

The Ballad of Finis Shelnutt


There are so many bad guys, it's good when they have easy names to remember.

Finis Shelnutt, for instance. Daniel Hopsicker is due much credit for first lifting this peculiar corner of American gothic and noting what crawled out. (Also, thanks to this thread on the RI discussion board for adding to the story.)

Shelnutt came to Hopsicker's attention when he popped up last weekend in a Katrina feature on Chris Matthew's Hardball year-end review. Coincidentally - hey, it happens - Shelnutt was also a principal source of the rumours of looters shooting police.

From the FoxNews transcript of the September 2 O'Reilly Factor:

O'REILLY: And on the phone from the French Quarter, 53-year-old businessman Finis Shelnutt, who's surrounded by looters....

You're on St. Louis Street. That's high ground in the French Quarter. No water in the street. But what's the looter factor there? How many of them are there and what are they doing?

SHELNUTT: Bill, it started off I guess the night after the hurricane the looting started. And the police were chasing looters a block away from me. And a couple of looters stopped and shot a policeman in the head - in the forehead and killed him.

Shelnutt continues, describing how he was trapped by the "human volcano" of looters, until a sympathetic O'Reilly says "we're going to get you help." Hopsicker found Shelnutt to be the source for at least two reports on FoxNews which spread the poisoning meme that looters were menacing citizens in zombie-like packs and shooting police.

Shelnutt seemed to turn up a lot post-Katrina. Here he is mixing a pot of jambalaya on the street September 25 in front of his Alex Patout's Louisian Restaurant. And five days earlier - not even three weeks after his Fox interview - there's this from Der Spiegel:

New Orleans - Finis Shellnut is wealthy and he isn't hiding it, even in the difficult times following the Katrina disaster. The 53-year-old real estate magnate sits in front of one of his buildings in the French Quarter, enjoying a chilled bottle of French champagne.

The man is a walking glitz machine, from the diamonds on his Rolex to his gold-framed glasses to the silver cross dangling on his chest under his half-open shirt. Shellnut is doing well these days, extremely well. He senses a lot of post-Katrina business coming his way. "Our party's about to get going again," he says. He sits next to a flyer depicting his face and advertising his phone number. "The storm destroyed a great deal," he says, adding, with a smile, "and there's plenty of space to build houses and sell them for a lot of money."

Shellnut wasn't particularly hard-hit by the storm and the flooding in New Orleans. "My real estate is in the city's better neighborhoods," he says, clearly pleased with himself, "a tree fell down here and there, but otherwise everything's just fine."


Despite all the chaos and destruction, the storm and the floods came with a silver lining for people like Shellnut. "Most importantly, the hurricane drove poor people and criminals out of the city," he says, "and we hope they don't come back."

Shellnut has even conjured up ancient Gallic legend to support his theory of Katrina's supposedly sanitizing effects. He says that the name "Katrina" once symbolized a kind of cleansing process that only leaves behind the purest elements of a society.

But that's not where we leave Finis Shelnutt. Hopsicker also recognized the name from Iran Contra drug smuggling and the Clinton's Arkansas Mafia. "His real claim on notoriety," writes Hopsicker, "came when he was identified as the man who picked up the duffel bags filled with cash dropped by CIA Drug Pilot Barry Seal at the Triple S Ranch near Hot Springs, Arkansas. An estimated $9 million per week fell out of the sky."


Investment manna from heaven I guess.

And who picked the name "Katrina" for that strange hurricane that learned to do convenient 90 degree turns to hit New Orleans?

9/18/2007 12:59:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Video title: UF Student tasered at John Kerry Speech

Ericswan, I respectfully beg to differ. They didn't clap when he finished his questions, they clapped when the cops grabbed him.

One person, very near the cameraman/woman even giggles when he mentions Skull & Bones.

9/18/2007 02:35:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

From TABRS...

“Instead, third/fourth parties should take a hint from Bolivia. Almost the sole aim of third/fourth parties should currently be concentrating as a team on constitutional change and formal institutional change issues to make a more competitive arrangement for democracy among parties to remove pre-existing corrupt gatekeeping, instead of simply joining a pre-existing gatekeeping along a novel ideological strategic axis. That only maintains ongoing corruption of democracy as the "German Greens" seem quite confident in doing.”

Ideology is poison to the mind, as it facilitates corruption. Can we have natural predispositions without the overlay of partisanship? Can the peasants within the different mental styles recognize better ways to defend themselves from the pirates in every party? (Yes we can, but only with new correspondences that express the substance of the categories with honesty and greater fealty to reality.)

Thanks IC for this;

Big whirls have little whirls
That feed on their velocity,
And little whirls have lesser whirls
And so on to viscosity

Jonathan Swift

9/18/2007 07:17:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Richard..Hillary just said that 70% of medical costs are from 10% of the population in the mental health field. She thinks we can do better than that.

As far as you're video, I have a hard time believing that someone as cogent as you would defend anything from what must be the poorest quality video I have ever endured. Trust me when I say I won't be going through it again "with a fine tooth comb".

Mark.. I happen to think Klein is doing yeoman's work in the economic forensics of disaster economics. Even in the conspiracy theory world, the fact that earthquakes, hurricanes, drought etc. are tools of the em trade has escaped all but the pale in the great beyond. hehe.

9/18/2007 07:34:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Richard..a snippet of your vid was just shown on CNN. The young man with the hard questions has been charged with resisting arrest. Goes to court this morning.

9/18/2007 08:11:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Seems like CNN is following the blog as usual. They just reported that the state of Louisiana is purchasing the land from 1,900 homeowners and will do the cleanup. "They will be discouraging people from buying property for homes in this area". You don't suppose they are buying up the beach front properties do you?

9/18/2007 08:43:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

As far as the political process IC, I've been watching a chunk of cold war, a-bomb related stuff like Atomic Cafe, The Atomic Bomb Movie, Trinity & Beyond, etc., & I've also watched as many of the Sunday morning talking head news shows I could stomach & I'm amazed at exactly how politicians haven't changed.

Yeah, well, consider the source. A Kerry rally? One doesn’t have to reach into Mark’s Skull & Bones sticker box to find the rub in that Quisling’s game. As for the talking heads, what else can we possibly expect but more of the same? (Okay, there's one Talking Head who's a little different.)

The winds of change that I can feel now & then are blowing in very different quarters. Casual conversations with nodding acquaintances like the mailman and other parents at the local school, or with total strangers who vent their frustrations standing in line like unruly sheep.

I sometimes have an urge to try to cross the illusory boundaries that keep us out of each other’s thoughts—not like some thought police invasion but as in response to an unseen invitation. Wwwdotnet’s musings on the potential of a psilocybin communion seem to point to doorways unused, overlooked, or erroneously derided for unconnected motives. (I also really dug the resurgence of Che on the doilies of the War Pig Society, but it’s this connectivity that I’m after right now.)

Now, I’m not prescribing any sort of “turn on, tune in, and drop out” solutions here, so please let’s not rehash the double-headed eagle of the Drug Flag (again!). Where speech gets literal is where the world flattens, after all. I’ve got a nice little link here
from Stanley Krippner—a piece that was originally published by Dr. Charles Tart of TASTE fame, which I’ll get to after this little digression.

What Krippner did was to survey the field of psychedelic research before the Prohibition shut it down and politicized and Black-Opped all substances not on The List. One of the early researchers, Frank Barron, recorded the responses of “highly creative individuals” to whom he had administered the high sacramental hippie treats. Artists with their heads opened up said things like:

"What psilocybin does is to... dissolve many definitions and... melt many boundaries, permit greater intensities or more extreme values of experience to occur in many dimensions." (Yes, that’s Sounder on drugs.)

and other silly things like (and I won’t go any further with the resemblances to utterings & mutterings of persons here…I just knew that I could count on Sounder being a good sport about it, see):

"I looked out of the window into the infinitely splendid universe of a tiny mauve leaf performing a cosmic ballet."

Another spoke of "light falling on light."

And the classic: "I felt a communion with all things."

A composer wrote, "Every corner is alive in a silent intimacy."

The most interesting thing about all this is that even though the art these folks made while tripping looked like crap the next day (I write this looking at the bizarre mushroom sculpture that I can’t seem to get rid of with the prominent breast on its “chest” that a friend made in San Francisco during the summer of you-know-what), the effect seems to have been somehow “real” for more than the duration of the trip.

The implications of this are many.

The Krippner piece begins with this:

A number of creative people claim to have benefited from psychotherapy which utilized psychedelic drugs. Actor Cary Grant attributed "a new assessment of life" to LSD (Gaines, 1963). Blues singer Ronnie Gilbert, in 1964, was mired in a deep depressive state from which she found it impossible to break free. In desperation, she entered LSD therapy and, during the following six months, went through 20 psychedelic sessions. Frequently, Miss Gilbert and her psychiatrist went for walks in the park or visited art galleries and churches.

During one stroll through the park, Miss Gilbert felt a "sense of life all around me; I looked at trees for the first time, really looked at them." She recalled that "everything seemed so rich and so intense." This spontaneous experience (which was not chemically induced) hastened her progress and therapy soon terminated. Several years later she remarked, "I've been turned on to life and have never been so happy."

Miss Gilbert's psychiatrist commented. "Ronnie was lucky. She was one of the people who have been able to work through lifelong problems in a few sessions, and there is no reason why the good results shouldn't stick. Not everybody gets as much out of the experience. She was also lucky because she came into therapy before federal restrictions clamped down on it" (Gaines, 1963).

When we were laughing (or crying) over the sight of Frank Zappa testifying with Dee Snider and John Denver before congress during the freedom of expression witch hunt back in the ‘80s, it was more than obvious to everyone in the room (well, except Tipper Gore maybe, or that fascist putz who was stupid enough to try to debate with Uncle Frank on CNN’s Crossfire in 1986) that John Denver’s Rocky Mountain High was not reached through any outside means or agents. (As long as I’m talking Frank, here’s a gratuitous solo, one of his very last, recently rediscovered.)

I guess what I’m getting at here is that there are many levels of communication and experience beyond the mundane, everyday blah-blah of the chronically disinterested and the TV News listen-to-the-Leader-speak crap that currently pass for the spectrum of communication. All of us have had entirely nonverbal conversations; many of us have had types of connections with others that would be very difficult to describe in rational terms.

Tart’s TASTE gets at this sort of “other way of talking” in a scientific manner which sets it apart from those New Age sites that are so much fun to make fun of. Here’s the intro of their Intro:

TASTE is an online journal devoted to transcendent experiences that scientists have reported. It lets scientists express these experiences in a psychologically (and professionally) safe space.

Science is a wonderful profession: I've worked at it for almost 40 years, and love it. As a process for gathering and refining knowledge, it is so useful! But the process is practiced by people, not machines, and we are each affected by the conscious and unconscious hopes, habits and fears of our individual histories and cultural heritages. As Aldous Huxley so nicely put it, each of us is simultaneously the beneficiary and the victim of our culture.

Science and Scientism

As scientists, we have discovered a body of precisely observed factual data about the world, created a lot of good theories that make sense of much of that data — and we are part of a cultural heritage of scientism. Sociologists coined the term "scientism" back in the 1940s, when they realized that many scientists unthinkingly accepted many scientific theories as simple, unquestioned Truths, just like believers in any "ism," and thus we often acted like any prejudiced "believer," especially outside our immediate areas of expertise.



You write: “I happen to think Klein is doing yeoman's work in the economic forensics of disaster economics,” and I have to agree—she’s dead on. Mark could well be right about all those conspiratorial machinations as well…but the problem is that not enough people are going to hear either one.

There is another way to cut through the media-streamed information conduit, though, and we’re wading through it right now. Of course, there is that problem of traffic here as well, something to do with what Brin calls “centripedal vs. centrifugal organization,” but those images do speak louder than words, since they go straight to the meme engine’s pilot house.

Here’s an example. In this seemingly innocuous building information page that Monolithic Domes has on its website testifying to the strength of geodesic domes, you’ll find evidence that FEMA knew all about what would happen when big storms (natural or otherwise) came to New Orleans and about what they could have done to make those coastal areas storm-proof without any fookin’ levy system.

Go back one page further, and you’ll find Dupont sitting pretty with the same knowledge as the storm rages around it: Dupont and Katrina: The Category 5 Dome

Finally, when you go back one more page, you’ll see that the whole thing was completely unnecessary (giving yet further credence to the “made-it-happen” theory) and that the rebuilding is going in a very stupid direction indeed: Wind, Water and Monolithic Domes

At the bottom of each of those pages you’ll find even more links that shed a curious "light falling on light."

Sorry for the overlong and seriously mundane conversation, again!

9/18/2007 12:14:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

"Consciousness is composed of layer upon layer of Infinite matter, this matter which you each possess is a central core of your “awareness.” The "awareness factor" is predicated upon not only your ability to process information, but your ability to exceed limitations through the process of expanding the matter. If you can imagine a bale of cotton batting separated into thin layers and gently stacked one upon the other then you can have a better idea of how consciousness grows.

”Consciousness” itself is the hub of all “realities.” It is why so many become confused when attempting to understand “realities,” your own as well as others’ realities. It is the "awareness factor" that promotes the consciousness modality which reveals the other forms of perspectives which you call “realities”. “Consciousness” is “Awareness” wearing a mask of either subdued understanding or vibrant, pulsating full-blown understanding of any subjects or issues which equate to BELIEFS and/or non-beliefs. Each perspective you have can either enhance, demean, or “upgrade” any belief system. I call this system the “AP” factor. This is “awareness" plus "perspective" which births the consciousness of realities.” One cannot exist without the other BECAUSE they are aspects of one another. Now, as you yourself seek to change your “awareness” of life on any or all levels of your “perspectives” of life, you unconsciously alter your “realities” either for your own “Greater Good,” or for planetary evolvement. Some people can do this for both reasons. The AP factor assists you, yet, is also “neutral” it is an “observer” of sorts.

When you are moving in a direction of thought processing which can ultimately cause you great damage in one way or another, AP nudges you CONSCIOUSLY to “rethink” or “re-sense” your reality. Oftentimes if you are attempting to take a “quantum leap” in understanding but you are still on a “puberty level” of evolvement, AP will then pull you back and away from whatever it is you are attempting to learn or unlearn simply because your PERSONAL AP is in AWARENESS that you are not ready to do so, yet. This is usually accomplished through your sensory systems. So if something is not resonating with you rather then blatantly mis-understanding (thought processing), and believing (reality), that it is bad or evil, stop to see if the information is something you are yet ready for. Far too much confusion has reigned because of MISINTERPETATION. It is this misunderstanding that no one talks about, most likely because the majority of people are not in “AWARENESS” of this. Yet, this fact is germane to all evolving levels of personal and planetary understanding.

Now, you are each in your own unique fashion altering your “realities,” (perspectives), each day and night whether it is but on a hardly noticeable miniscule scale, or as a booming “quantum thought” (consciousness plus awareness elevating to another degree.)

Because you are each “your own world,” you and only you should be the governing body to hold sway over your AP factor. BUT because Earth is not a perfect world in the planetary sense, your AP modality would start to be seen as though you each were walking through a “revolving door” all the time. As long as your “door” continues to revolve you are not becoming “static” in your sentience or in your thought processing. Taking this but a baby step forward, can you stop for a nano second and give “thought processing” to how many times you have altered your PERCEPTIONS of trivial or important issues in the past few days. If you can remember that is. You see “reality” is what you make it to be however, it is dependant on your AWARENESS and your CONSCIOUSNESS OF your reality. In other words, should you CHOOSE to remain in a lower state of CONSCIOUSNESS but attempt to elevate your AWARENESS of another’s belief for example, then there is a collision in the AP factor. The mind then becomes a congealed mass of dis-organized chaos.

One cannot be AWARE of other realities if the CONSCIOUSNESS is not also on the same level because the PERSPECTIVES become jaundiced, jaded and soon the CONSCIOUNESS levels recede and the REALTY birthed is on a dangerously low level, one that can only conform with others who share the same ill-birthed REALITES. Tis how “group contagion” receives its “progeny.” Like goes to like, this then continues on its journey like a dark horde of the un-illuminated energized mass that it truly is.

Now, all people can raise and alter their belief structures to an unlimited degree or as stated above they can lower them to the worst degree. Of course, the “free expression” factor holds a provocative and prominent position here as well it should. There are thousands and thousands of people all over this world who are not merely able to maintain the capacity and consistency required to “anchor” their AP factor in ALL levels of CONSCIOUSNESS, but enjoy the “free floating” THROUGH the higher CONSCIOSNESS levels and yet maintain their stability."

9/18/2007 12:43:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

Posted on Sat, Jul. 29, 2006
Do Mushrooms Have Mystic Role?
"Study of ingredient in plant found it induced spiritual experiences."

Religion News Service:

A recent Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine study suggests "sacred mushrooms" can provide a religious experience that makes one see the world from a different, more positive perspective.
The study tested psilocybin, the active agent in so-called "sacred mushrooms," to determine whether it could induce "mystical experiences" in a group of 36 adults who come from religious backgrounds.

The answer, the study says, is an emphatic yes.

Except for scientific research, however, possession of the substance is illegal in every state.

More than 60 percent of the study subjects said psilocybin produced a "full mystical experience," and one-third said they enjoyed "the single most spiritually significant experience of their lifetimes."
Some likened the occasion to the birth of their first child.

According to scientists who did the study, the results were lasting. Two months after taking psilocybin, 79 percent of the
subjects reported a moderate or greatly increased sense of well-being or life satisfaction.

"Many of the volunteers in our study reported, in one way or another, a direct, personal experience of the `Beyond,' " said study leader Roland Griffiths, a professor with Hopkins'departments of neuroscience and psychiatry.

The Hopkins scientists were quick to dismiss the notion of psilocybin as "God in a pill," and suggested that organized
religion should hardly feel threatened.
"Far from being threatened, the only thing we can imagine being of greater interest to religions is whether people live more wholesome, compassionate ... lives in consequence of such experiences," Griffiths said."

(Thank you, Mother Earth!)

9/18/2007 01:23:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

Hey Jeffy. Your buddy Kerry has a message for you.

The rest of you pigs, get ready for the Ron Paul REVOLUTION.

ps Ignore Jeff. He's a Canadian LOON.

9/18/2007 03:50:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

wwwdotnet said...
Syn, I love you.

yes yes I know.

do you mean about the Durk Pearson stuff? Cereal, use Google. He's like the whole life extension part.

9/18/2007 03:56:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

die pig, die.

(please Jeff, what does this mean?0

9/18/2007 04:19:00 PM  
Blogger et in Arcadia ego Eve said...

Surrender....don't you just love magic mushrooms.

Allahu Akbar min kulli shay (or as I like to say Takbir...preferably Carona) magic mushrooms kick ass!

9/18/2007 04:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has Ron Paul done Magic Mushrooms?

One revolution means full circle....back to square one, meaning we will have gone nowhere but round and round...or square and square.

9/18/2007 04:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Election Day Blues. Ah I remember all the days I voted. I look back with love and remember everything every time I voted. Colors, smells, the people, the looks, the weather too. All the friendly vote helper people. Next time I go out to vote I'm going to do something special. I'm going to drink 2 quarts of prune juice about an hour or so before I walk into the place where we vote. I'm going to make sure my stomach is really rumbling when I'm standing in my private booth. When I'm done voiding I'll know I experienced voting as it should be. Natural and conscious cleansing. I would have done something to rid the bad out of the system. To be a cleaner more new me. I love me and it is good to love me. I'm happy with being just me. And being just me is good. I always look forward to election day. I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it.

9/18/2007 05:26:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Surrender, who wrote the material that you posted at 12.43. Thanks.

9/18/2007 05:40:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

Hey EVE:

On my Fiftieth Birthday, I was walking thru a bannana grove and low and behold! there were 5 beautiful purple baby magic mushrooms. Just to be sure, I showed them to one of the peasants from the area, who smiled and said "psycili...." in Creole. Needless to say, I spent a beautiful birthday with Holy Mother Earth in complete gratitude and awe........So Yeah! I do love magic mushrooms! (Lots of cow poop where I live)

Nice to hear from you. Do you ever wonder if we are the only women who hang out here?????


OK. Ok, I actually knew you would ask about that post. SO... here goes, at the risk of being baffooned off the page.......

And a book that has been part of my life since 1995.

"EARTH:Pleiadian Keys to the Living Library" (Barbara Marciniak)

I am a spiritual person, not a religious person, and I have had too many "experiences" not to recognize that anything and everthing is possible in CREATION.

9/18/2007 06:44:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...


I visited your Blog site a while ago, as well as just now.

I am wondering why you haven't posted in a long time.

Maybe, I will start quoting you if you don't mind.

I wanted to write you over there, but if you would like some validation of where you are going with what you are writing about...

"Conversations with God" vol. 1 2 3

IMHO, you not only write with your express your soul's experience and that is rare.

9/18/2007 07:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IMHO, you not only write with your express your soul's experience and that is rare.

That's just the Prune Juice doing its thang.


That was simply spectacular. I laughed heartily out loud for more than a moment. Perfect Satire.

9/18/2007 07:30:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...


9/18/2007 07:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

surrender said... (Lots of cow poop where I live) how dare you insult the integrity of these posts. I never thought I'd see the day when normal everyday people like you and me would ever resort in a gabillion slabillions of zugtrillions of millenniums to using the word poop! Truly unbelievable. welp i hope that things get better in my life. truly truly.

9/18/2007 07:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Be careful shrubby. I myself came close to ripping another hole in my stomach lining.

9/18/2007 07:38:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...


We can always count on you and that is also rare.

LOVE and CHEERS to you!

(You are the reason I have become totally addicted to this blog).

9/18/2007 07:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


9/18/2007 07:40:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...


Correction: COW SHIT!!!

Sorry, but I sometimes unconsciously revert to my upbringing in the '50's.

I was sadly raised on "Leave it to Beaver", "Donna Reed Show" and "THE LONE RANGER" and wore hoop skirts and sadddle oxfords, but to tell you the truth, I'm not sure why I wrote "poop".


9/18/2007 07:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nobody liked my syn diesel impression?

LOVE to you too, Surrender.

God Bless America.

9/18/2007 09:38:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

Hey Shrub:

I actually got it this time. (Pigs)

But did you watch the video link?

Sometimes I think I'm an "extra" in a really Bad Movie.

Night EVE..............

9/18/2007 09:58:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...'s a Haiti link that might be useful..

9/18/2007 10:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The question Shrubby of whether or not Ron Paul has done Magic Mushrooms is pretty extreme humor too. I'll be thinking about that for a while chortling as an ass.

9/18/2007 11:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oops I'm sorry chortling as an ass do.

Thank you surrender. hahaha

9/18/2007 11:28:00 PM  
Blogger middleworld said...

hey shroomers- Don't forget to study the Aztec culture, where your divine shrooms were used in state rituals of cannibalism. Taking shrooms doesn't automaticaly do anything moral and enlightening or loving, and can easily make things worse. No that I'm above doing them or against them. They are a trickster, and their spirit genie is the monkey. They are a two edged sword. The Aztecs were a violent totalitarian patriarchal ritualized cannibalistic culture. I think everyone was tripping, 50,000 strong, when the innocent victims hearts were cut out and eaten in public.

Not that things have changed that much.

As for the original purpose of this post: I guess if you are pessimistic, Alex Jones would make you sick. He isn't pessimistic is he? He thinks he can make a difference. I guess it is important to acknowledge our differences. I put up a 9/11 Press For Truth bumper sticker in front of my house. The Jersey Moms. You go girls!

9/19/2007 05:55:00 AM  
Blogger surrender said...



9/19/2007 12:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm just sitting here waiting for a Nuke to go off.

As for Liberty....well, it sounds nice on paper, and I'm all for it, ideally, but isn't it really just a Jeep?

9/19/2007 02:29:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Sorry to interrupt this trip, but...

...from the international newsdesk, we have one blowback-from-privatization story from the mainstream Der Spiegel, BLACKWATER BLACKLISTED: 'Whores of War' Under Fire, but not to worry, as we’re assured that Blackwater and the hundreds of other contract security firms are above all laws, anyway, and will be around "for the duration."

But then, from a, a completely different source—independent, not beholden to governments, corporate interests,etc—we find this startling crystal ball conversation in Current Concerns about just what sort of duration we might be looking at:

US Capitalism or Socially Bound Property?

With the decline of US rule, the world and Europe are at the crossroads...A discussion with the Member of the German Bundestag, Willy Wimmer (CDU) about the US-American, the European and the German relationship to Russia

Current Concerns: Mr. Wimmer, what development in the Soviet-American relationship respectively in the Russian-American relationship since the end of 1991, i.e. during the last 20 years have you observed?

Willy Wimmer: If one deals with Russia today, a basic truth applies, which the former Federal Chancellor Helmut Schmidt has repeatedly formulated: We will always have the Russians as our neighbours, even if one day the NATO no longer exists.

Current Concerns:Many people regard an escalation in the relationship between the USA and Russia as highly dangerous for the whole world. How should Europe, how should Germany position itself, in order to counteract?

Willy Wimmer:If we look at the Russian President Putin, we can say: He did not furnish Guantánamo; he did not wage any wars violating international law. He tries to articulate the interests of his country in such a way that he must be heard at the negotiating tables of the world. I have to consider that when dealing with this neighbour. He may be too powerful for my taste or too big, but he exists... opposed to the current crop of fascists, whose time in the sun is ending (unbeknownst to them, of course, just as these holiday snaps reveal about the ignorance of the Coming End among the current regime's role models...[story here]...?)

Ah, yes, the more things change...but is it really time for the Wheel to turn again so soon? Before the world is really quite dead?

(Btw, Herr Wimmer is from the CDU, the conservative party in Germany, in case anyone gets some kind of crazy idea that I'm reprinting commie-pinko subversive and/or unAmerican activities & conversations here...)

9/19/2007 03:41:00 PM  
Blogger Tsoldrin said...

How to bake a North American Union cake when your main ingredients have been nurtured on nationalism and don't tend to 'mix well'. Solution: Add an emulsifier in the form of a common enemy.

Step 1) Pick a shared thread that can deeply effect those in each country... the economy. Set it up to crash, all the while telling everyone how good it's doing. (The added bonus in the long term is that a collapsed economy will always concentrate tangible wealth with the already wealthy).

Step 2) Show how evil the common enemy really is... "They're poisoning our pets!" "They're putting lead paint on our children's toys!".

Step 3) Allow the economy to collapse and blame it on the 'common enemy' as a form of economic warfare.

Sit back and watch as everyone comes together to fight the evil ones as one big happy north american family. Count profits.

9/19/2007 04:34:00 PM  
Blogger et in Arcadia ego Eve said...

Surrender - I think we are the only two chicks hangin out here. The only other confirmed chick that read this blog is......DEAD!

btw - i like your usage of the word poop. Leave the shit to Shrub. And don't give him any're just giving him the big head.

9/19/2007 05:32:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...


I am sure you and others know this has been in the news latlely. The Market is now dealing bigtime in human deaths, wrecked lives and families uprooted and terroized. I wonder what value is put on the lives that were lost to gain what profits??

Can the Market End the Iraq Occupation?
Posted September 17, 2007 | 06:16 PM (EST)
Breaking News

With the latest Blackwater screwup (or massacre, depending on which end of the gun you happen to be on) we may be looking at a quasi market decision that could end the occupation.

We have no status of forces agreement with Iraq, hence no honorable and fair way of holding any American, soldier or mercenary, accountable for crimes committed against Iraqis or their property. Given that we have slaughtered, maimed, and displaced so many of them, as this comparative chart shows, it is hard to imagine what it would take to make us leave after having had so much uninterrupted fun, and building all those permanent bases.

But that aside, what people want, as Maliki well understands, is sometimes what they must have. Iraqis want justice and peace. If Blackwater leaves, the whole occupation will collapse. The cash flow to those profiting from the occupation (and being protected by mercs) will collapse (the bases are already built, and oil is going nowhere, so "security" is the only real commercial enterprise left where American companies have the corner).
Further, Blackwater does the kinds of things that Americans will not allow their own uniformed enlistees and officers to do, and it won't take many more massacres, and public trials back home of the lowest ranking example to completely end new enlistments into the army by anyone not already an accomplished felon, or so stupid they are completely untrainable.

Wow -- actually being punished for business mistakes and moral turpitude, and removed for incompetence. By the Iraqi government, no less! When can we get some of that bottled and sent to Washington!

Statistics on chart above:

*Iraqis killed equals 4% of US population:

Equivalent to the combined populations of Idaho, Delaware, Maine, Monatana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia and Wyoming.

*Number of Iraqi refugees equals 15% of US population:

Equivalent to the combined populations of Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina and Utah.

9/19/2007 05:40:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...


I have a suspicion that SYN DIESEL may be disguised as a chick.

Whadda ya think?

And don't you think anyone "who is sitting waiting for a Nuke to go off" deserves a compliment now and then?

Don't know why I thought of you when I read this:


9/19/2007 06:14:00 PM  
Blogger wwwdotnet said...

Syn Diesel said -

Don't tell anyone I'm a hermaphrodite. worries.

I was asking for the link to the news item of what Russia was doing on 14th... cheers me dears.

Surrender said-

I am a spiritual person, not a religious person, and I have had too many "experiences" not to recognize that anything and everything is possible in CREATION.

I said this self same thing to an atheist friend. It seems like the "experience" is much like the witnessing of those toads-in-the-hole.
For me it is the experience of synchronisity, and its unfathomable existence among other things. During the weekend I spent with the fungi, we all felt some strange Arabic theme, the patterns, the talk, and I pointed to the corner. "There" I said, "Is the Arabian Corner". We all laughed from the depths of the gut, and as I went over to sit in the chair, I spotted a book - "Islam for dummies". My friend had forgotten completely of this unwanted Christmas present. This small event among the countless others through the night just kept riddling our little heads over and over.

(Thank you, Mother Earth!)

yes indeed! And it would seem McKenna gave his thanks to the cosmos -

"Well, I'm not wedded to any of this. I just simply state the facts, and the facts are that, not DMT so much, which is pretty common in many plants and animals, but psilocybin. Psilocybin is 4-phosphoryloxy-NN-dimethyltryptamine. This is slightly technical, but it is the only 4-phosphorylated indole on this planet. That's strange because the way biology works is if you have a molecule useful in a biological system, then in other biological systems you will get that same molecule or tiny variants; methylated or o-methylated. So here is psilocybin with the only hydrolation in the 4 position on the planet. Well now, they search for extraterrestrial life with radio telescopes waiting for a signal. Fine. Another way would be to search the biological inventory of this planet for something that looks like it did not evolve from the main, broad flow of animal and plant evolution. And if you do that, this 4-phosphorylated indole is sticking up there like a sore thumb. I'd like to see a paper about how many of these kinds of chemical anomalies are known to exist on this earth in life. And what's the explanation for this? I've never seen anybody discuss this kind of thing. And yet to my mind the psilocybin molecule is as artificial as a Coke bottle. As it appears in nature. If you'll just inventory nature you'd pick this molecule up and say, 'Well what is this!'"

Terence McKenna interview in "The Resonance Project" #3 (1993)

Middleearth said -

Taking shrooms doesn't automatically do anything moral and enlightening or loving, and can easily make things worse.

worse =

Being thrust into a state of cyclical fear, with all sense of proportion, time and existence being well and truly liquidized and injected back into your shattered brain, as a pumping grid of organic mechanic fractal patterns lacing your sight, where eyes closed or open do not make the slightest damned difference to what is your now present extra-dimensional existence, within an infinite repetition of fearsome awe at the complexity and mystery of an indifferent cosmos, in which you are now permanently stuck within, void of any realization that this is the psilocybin, the dimension of the "bad" mushroom" trip that lasts for only a handful of hours, but disguised as true eternity.

But oh what a meal we ate the next day, and how the hearts poured out.

And yes, as IC said -

I’m not prescribing any sort of “turn on, tune in, and drop out” solutions here

9/19/2007 08:14:00 PM  
Blogger Hal Blake said...

Bob Altemeyer's - The Authoritarians

"It’s about what’s happened to the American government lately. It’s about the disastrous decisions that government has made. It’s about the corruption that rotted the Congress. It’s about how traditional conservatism has nearly been destroyed by authoritarianism. It’s about how the 'Religious Right' teamed up with amoral authoritarian leaders to push its un-democratic agenda onto the country. It’s about the United States standing at the crossroads as the next federal election approaches."

9/19/2007 11:44:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Spent the evening in a hospital room with a client again, so I got to watch TV.


Some random quotes that are just amazing.

ex-General Clarke on the Daily Show:

"I'm proud of America. If we can just stay on the right track, we can lead the world.

Glenn Beck: "Capitalism will always find the best solution."

Glenn Beck: "Of course, there's a few people who use the [capitalist] system to fleece people, but that's what they do. If we just remove them, the market will work just fine."

&, the best part, the unending coverage of O.J., capped off with a CNN entertainment show that asks "Why is America so obsessed with O.J.?

Y'know, when you don't watch this shit unless forced to, it looks like a colossal freak show. & that's just the "news" shows. If this is how America "stays informed," I pity them.

And one other thing, I know many of you believe wholeheartedly in this paranormal shit, so maybe y'all can help me with something.

If we all agree to simultaneously imbibe some psychotropic medication & then concentrate on the spontaneous combustion of Glenn Beck, what are our chances of pulling it off?

If they're better than 50%, sign me up.

9/20/2007 12:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I'll see your Observations and raze you won.

So here's what the Men With Really Gay Wigs meant. I do so appreciate Truth In Advertising, Don't You?

9/20/2007 08:24:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Surrender thank-you for your efforts to embrace a larger world. My focus and language does indeed seem to share a bit with these ‘Pleadians’ being channeled in that writing. My stance is that whatever I resonate with, that is the material that I will ‘channel’. An issue that I have with “Pleadians”, gurus and other assorted smart people is; If folk have access to sublime understanding, why are they not able to distill the substance of their ruminations into a general criteria for understanding that has greater appeal than dualism seems to maintain?

Anyway surrender, I love to think and talk about these things; perhaps it can happen better over at my blog. (Given your belief in our creative potencials), Lets do our part to lessen the chance of physical nuclear bombs dropping, by embracing an armaggedon of the mind. Let us die too old and worn out concepts.

9/20/2007 09:33:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Thanks Shrub. Your link ties in nicely with male America's desperate need for Viagra, Cialis, etc.

If the hot soccer mom can't ride an erection challenged hubby, what choice does she have but to ride that new luxury Cadillac, eh?


9/20/2007 02:20:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Whether it's the invasion of the 'shrooms or just the Spirit of the Age manifesting itself in its eerily prescient serendipity, this thread has started to glow ever since wwwdotnet brought his fungal meme to the group soup. As these things tend to happen, in bunches, or swirls to borrow Swift's metaphor again, there's too much to include or even mention, much less adequately describe, as one stream blends with another until there's a raging river of connected pardon me if this sounds a little meandering.

It happened like this. I was writing to a friend in Australia yesterday, responding to his frustration at the apparent attacks he saw here on the Ron Paul candidacy, which he reduced to us calling him a fascist. In my reply, I tried to explain that it wasn't quite as simple as that. For my own part, what I'd written about the trouble with Mr. Paul as savior centered on his extremely limited, one might say sanitized version of blowback. In short, his bizarre faith that a "truly free Free Market" would ensure freedom & justice for all seemed to be either ridiculously naïve or...something more sinister and very much less forgivable.

I then went on a bit (too long, probably) about the path that I saw as one of the only ways out of the mess we're in--you guys have heard it all before, but if I had to put it in a nutshell, it would go something like...start out by laying all the cards on the table.

By which I mean facts that:

the earth is in trouble
the growing disparity between rich and poor—between those who have power and all that goes with it and those who do not is at the root of the earth’s troubles in general
our way of life is unsustainable—markets have no conscience and will eat up resources and people and spit them out without any further thoughts on consequences
the solution lies in decentralization, not in further consolidation of power or even in some benevolent socialist state

Now, I know that this last item sounds rather libertarian on the surface of it and that it sets me squarely in oppostion to Jeff, but it's free blog, right?

Speaking of free, that's the whole solution, really. You see, both markets and centrally-planned socialism depend upon finite quantities--okay, scarcity--and the manipulation thereof to achieve their ends. Freedom, or really anything that's free is anathema to both isms; a quality that can't be quantified, commodified...controlled. I know, it still sounds libertarian.

The distinction between what I'm proposing and the libertarian platform is that they still need the "free market" as the engine of their freedom. What they'll get is neither. Instead, we'll have even more savage inequality, including the breakdown of social services like education, healthcare (oh, that's right!--in the US healthcare is not a social service and education has already begun to be privatized...)

My friend did give me an interesting link to a Ron Paul site, well, actually it was to Lew Rockwell, which I tend to avoid if I can, but this link was good in that it talked about the wastefulness of the permanent war economy. It's called What the Warfare State Really Costs and it talks about the true costs of the current global war on whatever, but then goes on to reveal something even deeper:

...There are a great many other costs to the warfare state as well, albeit ones less easily quantified. For one thing, between one-third and two-thirds of all U.S. research talent has been siphoned off into the military sector over the past several decades. Human limitations being what they are, there exists a fixed amount of such talent; and government diversion of that talent – through high, tax-funded salaries with which the private sector has repeatedly expressed its inability to compete – necessarily leaves fewer people available for research and development work in the private sector. Military research thereby crowds out commercial research aimed at improving people’s standard of living. It is hard to quantify this effect, of course, and being unseen it is typically overlooked, since we can never know exactly what innovations never appeared as a result of the diversion of resources and brainpower into the service of the military. This is one of many opportunity costs associated with the military establishment.

[Tslodrin, you've expressed some interest in the implications of free energy; you know that energy is the single biggest racket on the planet...would you consider highly efficient solar energy conversion technology "free" energy? We have it, or well, the military does, but that story is leaking out, bit by bit. I'll get links as I find them.]

What the Warfare State Really Costs is well spoken and thoughtful, but if only they had been able to pursue that line of reasoning, they would have stumbled upon a truth so profound that their market-based libertarianism would have to be amended. I say "profound," but it's something every cracker barrel philosopher knows: the printing of money is entirely unconnected to the so-called "production of wealth."

The libertarians come so close when they cheer Mr. Paul's determination to dismantle the Federal Reserve. But why stop there? Why not the World Bank, the IMF...and every fooking bank between New York and Hong Kong? If we acknowledge that the printing of money is arbitrary and based on polite fictions, then why couldn't we base it on something real, like things that have value to a community, a society, and to the earth?

Is what surrender does--planting trees in Haiti--of less value than what the head of marketing for Sugar Shit Cereals does when he launches a new ad campaign? How about the difference between the work of the engineer who discovers a new method of solar energy conversion and the CEO of The World Is Ours Petroleum Co. ?

Here's the situation we face. Everything man has built has been built ass-backward. Our cities, our engines, our schools--everything takes in resources (natural, human, etc) and spits out Velveeta. "Products" we don't really need, houses which consume resources instead of producing them, and people who consume yet further resources without adding anything of value to their community, society or the earth that feeds them.

We have the manpower and the understanding of how Nature works to rebuild everything along sustainable--no, abundant lines--and to fix the ecological damage inflicted upon our nest by a system which rewards cruelty, greed and short-sightedness. Bioregion by bioregion, we can (and ultimately must) rebuild the world. There is no shortage of work to do. Sure, it won't be making plastic crap that no one needs, and there won't be a parasitic elite which controls fake democracies through offering false and empty choices, but I think we can live with fewer vampires, anyway.

The only real obstacle to embarking on this plan lies in the reaction of those vampires, of course. And their lackeys (loyal vassals, whatever you want to call people like Glenn Beck, the staffs of every media conglomerate and every political mafia), but who knows? If they see their ship is sinking, drowning rats have away of deserting just before the end.

Surrender, do you suppose your outfit would hire Glenn Beck...if he promised not to spit on anyone?

To finish the story, my friend responded today by sending me an announcement for a lecture series that features the sort of earth-saving, community-building ideas I'm always on about. (PETER ANDREWS AND CALLUM COATES: SAVING AUSTRALIA'S LANDSCAPE and BILL MOLLISON AND JOHN LAW: DESERT GREENING.)

I noticed that they were charging for admission, but as soon as the new and real greenbacks are printed up, that shouldn't be any problem.

In an abundant and responsible society, everyone gets a livable stipend and a decent place to live and a free education just for being alive. If they want to do something productive or creative (synonyms, really), or if they want to get something beyond their immediate needs, they can always get or create a job, 'cuz there will always be work. Just not as we know it.

Unless we'd rather continue working for the Man and his Big in the State of Fear & Denial.

9/20/2007 02:23:00 PM  
Blogger et in Arcadia ego Eve said...


Shrub is only sitting around waiting for his fart bombs to go off.

I used to be his little red corvette, but now when I turn my car on, he doesn't return the favor. I just smell the gas.

Typical pessimistic man.

9/20/2007 03:46:00 PM  
Blogger Cunty Rice said...

can I have a choccy one please?

9/20/2007 06:01:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

Shrubageddon said...
nobody liked my syn diesel impression?

sonofabitch, don't step on muh gimmick!

wwwdotnet, I assume you found the news stories about russia's joyride through NATO's airspace on the 14th.

9/20/2007 07:05:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

IC, you're still labeling "libertarians" as being pro-corporate shills. There are plenty of free marketeers who understand "liberation technology."

Kevin Carson is writing a book on decentralized technology (small is beautiful" Schumacher stuff).

A few work-in-progress chapters are available on his blog.

For those who don't know who Shumey is:

9/20/2007 08:33:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

Btw, solar energy isn't "free energy," it's free fuel. It's like it's a diesel generator that get's automatically re-fueled daily with rainshowers of oil.

Compare the steel-based turbines and generators with the silicon metal-based PV panels. PV is the engine, not the energy.

9/20/2007 08:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

diesel generator

Would that be a Syn Diesel generator?

9/20/2007 08:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But did you watch the video link?

Which one?

9/20/2007 09:12:00 PM  
Blogger Vemrion said...

well said, iridescent cuttlefish.

Jeff unfortunately seems to embrace Hugo Chavez-style authoritarian socialism simply because its better than the right wing alternative. What if I don't want any sort of authoritarianism? Isn't authoritarianism what got us into this mess in the first place?

I'd rather be a free man without healthcare than a slave with the best healthcare money can buy.

9/20/2007 09:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh no not Hawkwind again. I almost ****** in my pants again after watching the video. Again and again and again and again and again and again and again and aga and a

9/21/2007 01:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I ******* did business with Ron Paul in Dallas. I met Alex Jones and his wife too. Paul and Jones are megalomaniacs. Just the same as Oprah too. Self interested pieces of ****. Pinched out of Satan's ass. Their smell plagues our sewers. Their faces as diaper rash. I remember Daniel New. The one I met in Austin, Texas. His fatass smelly body no like Belliosto. Blubber whale chairman of hemorrhoidal pain and redness. His son oppose U.N. Randy Weaver too. I witnessed Clayton Douglass in Roswell, New Mexico. Stand up in basement of church to shout at a Jew. These people are relying on principles that truly will be judged by the God they trust. I spit on what they are and how they dupe. You ******* go way the heck out of your way and get involved with these fucking people yourself before YOU judge these bastards. Get involved with these men yourself. I defy you to do it. I have and have no regrets. I keep my nose away from their crap. I absolutely have no trust in the leadership of these worthless men. Prideful megalomaniacs greedy for #1. Self interested clever manipulators. They are only interested in mischievous arrogance. That's what I have to say in the Land Of The Free and the Home of the Brave.

I apologize if I have scared you. I am not the spooks they would want me to be. THE END.

9/21/2007 02:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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9/21/2007 05:33:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Welfare states don't work.. The bureaucracy divides the labour and the labour defines a class .

My line in the sand is food, warmth and shelter. That's it and that's all.

Welfare tribalism for the basic needs is a neighbourhood issue.

Global economy and globalization is strictly speaking, an EGO issue.

9/21/2007 06:17:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Stylish rant Belliosto, kudos’

In a culture such as ours, these charismatic intimidators tend to rise to prominence. I feel that this is due to a corollary of dualism. That is, success is measured by ones ability to manipulate objects, and we all, have allowed ourselves to become objects. To damn many nouns! Switching to a process oriented rather than an imperative orientation for our psyches may do wonders for our mental health. Yes Eric, these are all ego issues, and our egos have been well trained to be overgrasping and dysfunctional.

9/21/2007 06:53:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

From George Ure at

Invisible Crash - Part Two, Day Two

"Grudgingly, I have to admit that the Powers That Be and the Fed have been doing a swell job of managing the Invisible Crash - which is what I call it simply because most people don't get what's going on right in front of them. It's almost like a game of three-card Monte. While the nimble fingered trickster might object, "Call it "follow the Lady," they'd say, I call it "Follow the Bubble, Follow the Terror Show, and then Follow the Dollar," around here.

To bring you up to date The Beginning of the Second Depression came in March 2000 when the markets hit all-time highs and the Big Decline began. As it picked up steam on the downside, millions of investors lost trillions of dollars. Then, about the time that the SEC was getting ready to really do something about naked shorting, and (then there's the gold and silver) etc., along come a couple of airplanes which wiped out two buildings and their contents, which in turn gives rise to a War On Terror (a modern analog to the Civilian Conservation Corp of the 1920's and the Works Progress Administration), and that has just been trumped (no, not the Don) by the surprise rate reduction this week. You "follow the Lady" here, right?

Not that I would do anything differently if I had a few trillions: Imagine the pandemonium, human suffering, loss of jobs/life/economic clout, that would have accompanied the US's descent into an obvious Second Depression should the WTC attack not taken place! There would be no missing data for the SEC, there would be not War on Terror, there would be no Operation Iraqi Freedom, and Saddam Hussein would still be alive, although he'd be isolated and still trading oil under the table, no doubt. Oh, and something north of half a million Iraqi civilians would still be breathing.

Instead what we have is an OK economy (as long as you believe the numbers), a huge variable-spending opportunity to keep the economy going, and a Fed that continues to try and walk the tightrope between an inflationary workout of things (like the Weimar Republic) or a deflationary work out like the USA's first Great Depression....."

9/21/2007 07:20:00 AM  
Blogger Layth Shusha said...

Great site Jeff!

But anyway, check out my new blog containing a prediction pertaining perhaps to Iran on the 27th next week!

9/21/2007 07:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A prediction pertaining to Iran? We don't get much of that around here?

How about a Prediction about the Rate of Return on Ron Paul's substantial Gold Investements?

By the way, my word verification for this post is nukqj.....I kid rock you not.

9/21/2007 09:35:00 AM  
Blogger Layth Shusha said...

I believe you Shrubageddon, i noticed at the bottom of my new blogger it says "Subscribe to: Posts (Atom)"!

My blog online and off intermittently as i update it constantly.

If its down then check again later it will be updated lots over the next short while!

9/21/2007 10:40:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

IC said:

Speaking of free, that's the whole solution, really. You see, both markets and centrally-planned socialism depend upon finite quantities--okay, scarcity--and the manipulation thereof to achieve their ends. Freedom, or really anything that's free is anathema to both isms; a quality that can't be quantified, commodified...controlled...

Hear, Hear. That's the nugget: that more energy actually falls from the sun openly than anything clientelistic they can dish out through thin tubes and manipulated scarcities, economic and political.

For those who have yet to see it:

William McDonough
on cradle to cradle design

20:11 Posted: Apr 2007

or the annoying fact that:

SUN: ONLY HALF OF 1% required. Every year the sun pours down the equivalent of 1.5m barrels of oil of energy for every square kilometre, without pollution. Estimates it takes only 0.5% of the world's hot deserts with current technology called concentrated solar power (CSP) to provide the world's entire electricity needs. [and that technology has already been superceded within the past year.]

WIND: ONLY 5% OF KNOWN WIND SITES required to DOUBLE global energy capacity above current usage, and without pollution. Wind power could generate enough electricity to support the world's energy needs several times over, according to map of global wind speeds--first of its kind. The map, compiled by researchers at Stanford University, shows wind speeds at more than 8,000 sites around the world. They found that at least 13% of those sites experience winds fast enough to power current wind turbines. If turbines were set up in all these regions, they would generate 72 terawatts. That's more than five times world's current energy needs...if only potentially doubled energy use is projected, then that means [only (13/5)x2] it takes ONLY 5.2% OF THOSE [known] SITES being used to double world energy capacities. That's only about 400 wind farms and you DOUBLE global energy capacity.

North America and parts of Northern Europe have a high number of ideal spots for setting up wind turbines. Approximately 20% of Denmark's energy is wind power. USA, with best place in world for wind turbines, only generates 1% from wind. "

So why are we still addicted to mineral sludge? A film to share at:

The Convenient Solution (The Economics of Abundant Renewables vs. Non-Required Unrenewables)
Greenpeace UK
9 min 27 sec


Human limitations being what they are, there exists a fixed amount of such talent; and government diversion of that talent – through high, tax-funded salaries with which the private sector has repeatedly expressed its inability to compete – necessarily leaves fewer people available for research and development work in the private sector. Military research thereby crowds out commercial research aimed at improving people’s standard of living. It is hard to quantify this effect, of course, and being unseen it is typically overlooked, since we can never know exactly what innovations never appeared as a result of the diversion of resources and brainpower into the service of the military. This is one of many opportunity costs associated with the military establishment."

The U.S. is so economically militarized that it may be scant years before a full fledged Principate in the U.S., moving away from its (always tenuous and overstressed) dedication to republicanism/democracy with a small r and d.

Small r and d keep being demoted by ‘big R&D’ (military research and development, a technocracy of the miltiary/surveillance corpoations and the militarization of the entire U.S. economy, stock market, and can we say it (sure…), the international drug economy. The latter comes in as the second leading sector in the world after oil (according to U.N. figures mentioned in a book about drugs I read called Pursuit of Oblivion. The poingant oil/drug analogy of the two global leading sectors show a world addicted?

Another interesting book for you--making the interesting claim that the world we know was built on the first cross-cultural commodities that had a built in psysiological addiction capcity. The wealth forms of a select few psychological and psysiological addictions to drugs built the massively scaled wealth forms of the 'modern world economy' as perhaps nothing else could, given the cultural separations and commodity specifications that were always opened up by the cross-cultural use of the same drugs tickling our common human biology.

Forces of Habit: Drugs and the Making of the Modern World by David T. Courtwright (2002):

"Historian Courtwright...ranges widely across more than four centuries and the world to chart the "psychoactive revolution" that made ever more potent drugs available to all classes of people and redefined the meaning and means of consciousness, and even social conscience. As pleasure came to matter more, drugs of all kinds found ready takers. Courtwright gathers up historical, scientific, literary, artistic, and public policy references on psychoactive substances, legal and illegal, to show how drug usage was as much an outgrowth of market forces as cultural habits. Drugs were commerce and currency and moved from geographically limited areas of cultivation to worldwide consumption, with ever more efficient means of production and supply driving down prices and thereby opening markets to the poorest.


Set on a world stage, this book is about the ``psychoactive revolution'' of the past 500 years. Courtwright, well known for his work concerning the history of drug addiction and, more generally, social history, observes that in wealthy societies in the 20th century a cornucopia of drugs, illicit and licit, became available and popular. How did this situation arise, he asks, and how have societies and governments coped with it, and especially, why have some drugs posed more of a problem than others? The main story relates to the expansion of European oceangoing commerce in early modern times and the resulting discoveries of new commercial opportunities. In the drug trade, the three big items eventually became alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine, to the exclusion of other possibilities derived from the plant world. These three drugs remain abundant and profitable commodities, eliciting various responses in different societies.

...[H]e is concerned with the broader story of the sweeping changes in the markets, and thereby in the uses, of a range of substances. And he explains how governments have responded differently in different ages to the growing commodification and popularity of psychoactive substances. Alcohol and caffeine were, of course, Old World products whose spread became enormously wider as a result of European expansion and European technology. Tobacco was a New World plant that conquered the Old World after Europeans discovered its psychoactive (and addictive) properties.

At about the same time, advances in distilling techniques and the spread of information about them through the printed word created opportunities for making and selling alcohol.

After their conquest of South America, some Europeans began cultivating coffee on that continent, while elsewhere other Europeans were expanding the tea trade.

Alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine soon became important trade commodities, the taxation of which was a mainstay of government finances. [Hugely centralized European state formation in the past several centuries as truly financed on the back of the aggregate drug addictions instead of legitimacy of such forms of government is perhaps the most boggling to consider].

Courtwright does not confine his story to the big three in the drug world. He also writes about cannabis, opium, coca and cocaine, and synthetic products. None of these substances or their derivatives became commodified in quite the same way as did the big three, although there were important regional exceptions, such as the infamous opium dens of the Chinese.

Part of the story of the lesser-used drugs is the relative absence of their commercialization. For example, until well into the 20th century, smoking marijuana was a practice of particular -- and relatively small -- populations in certain regions.

Nor is Courtwright's analysis entirely commercial. To the Christian Europeans, the Amerindians' use of plant hallucinogens such as peyote was reprehensible.

[A theme we have touched on before:] With the advance of industrialized societies, concern mounted about the effects of psychoactive substances. Altered states of consciousness do not mix well with the needs of a technologically complex civilization [or an elite desire to populate their states and empires with dumbed down, sensorily-demoted, despirited, and despiritualized worker bees.] [There's an interesting chapter on the elite well knowing the numbing of the work force as one of the purposes of drug popularization and its encouragement.]

Europeans sometimes tolerated altered states of consciousness among peasants and workers as a means of easing the pain of their often miserable lives, especially in early modern times. Views changed with advancing industrialization in the 19th century, however. Even so, efforts to control the use of tobacco and alcohol detract from their potential as objects of taxation (and contradict the realities of their use). The enormous power of the tobacco and alcohol industries has overcome efforts to ban or restrict their products.

When the United States, for instance, prohibited the liquor trades in 1920, wealthy Americans eventually engineered the law's repeal by arguing that it would promote an economic revival (repeal occurred in 1933, the nadir of the Great Depression) and pointing out the benefits of having alcohol taxes. [However, there was additionally the pressure that this was the only time the "3/4 of the states rule" for Constitutional amendments was ever applied: a grass roots movement from the states against the federal Congress to outlaw Prohibition and its centralized regulation--that traces back to Skull and Bones's desires as well by the way once they lost their Chinese lucrative monopoly through illicit forms in the late 1800s, they invented and helped out to create Prohibition to create another illicit monopoly wealth form. Plenty of detail there actually to make the case of Bones not exactly siring Prohibition, though riding it and encouraging it to fruition. Just one of many bones in the heap of Prohibition: it was Bonesman Congressman Harrison (of the Harrison Narcotics Act namkesake) who seems to have got the nod to start the federal legislation rolling. Perhaps another time though for more intricate detail. Harrison's father was Bones as well--and was private Secretary ('spycraft secretary') to Confederate President Jefferson Davis.]


If we acknowledge that the printing of money is arbitrary and based on polite fictions, then why couldn't we base it on something real, like things that have value to a community, a society, and to the earth?

Should it always be so, though? In the alternative currencies ‘movement’ (that hardly moves faster than a snail), there is the debate on whether to link it to particular intangibles like labor, or simply cultural acceptance, or real commodities, etc. And Gesell's ideas are still interesting and valid I think for their potential bioregional implications and funding local alternative technology projects for sustainability:

"In 1890 Silvio Gesell formulated a theory of money as revolutionary as the notion that it is the Earth that circles the sun, rather than the other way around -- despite appearances. Gesell suggested securing the money flow by making money a governmental service subject to a use fee. Instead of paying interest to those who have more money than they need, people would pay a small fee if they kept money out of circulation. The fee would serve as an income to the government and reduce the amount of taxes needed to carry out public tasks."****

Gesell's ideas were tested by the mayor of Woergl, Austria in July 1932 when economic conditions were deplorable. The mayor proposed to substitute a local currency for the national currency. They were called work certificates and on the first of every month the holder had to affix a 1 percent stamp of the face value of the certificate. The "taxes" went into the community chest, to provide a relief fund for the invalids or elderly who were unable to work. Because of the stamp tax, taxes were paid quickly; accounts were settled without the usual delays, even the bank became eager to loan out the money, as fast as it received it.

The mayor was then able to embark upon his Public Works Program, "to alleviate want, give work and bread" which exceeded his highest hopes. The conditions of the streets of Woergl had been a standing joke of the surrounding country. In less than four months sewers and improvements were completed. Later, other streets were paved and streets outside of Woergl repaired.. Prosperity blossomed.

***A meeting of 200 Austrian mayors decided unanimously to follow the Woergl example*** in their impoverished communities. Then the private Austrian National Bank.... [read the rest at the link]

Another interesting alternative currency is privately minted gold and silver which frankly I would love to see catch on. A store of value currency option is important to defend people from being impoverished by the artificial manipluations of inflation and deflation and central banks of ungrounded currencies.

Social Movement as Private Currency: Already $20 mil. Liberty Silver & Gold in circulation

Another interesting book: Gold Wars.

Another suggestion, in the works for ‘bioregioanl state, part II’ (where I discuss consumptive, educational, and financial instituions that would encourage or balustrade the bioregional state with other levels of bioregionalism and ecological checks and balances) is to always let people have a choice of currencies so their finances give them currency options instead of them being clientelistic to only one. Second, the idea to link particular financial instruments to bioregionally key species somehow, or some local valued commodity, updated of course to changes in the lcoal economy. The goal in either sense is to institutionalize human utility for biodiversity instead of its lack of utility (that leads to its destruction).

Moreover, its important to get alternative currencies authorized as state tax payments--that will really institutionalize it as money depends on being 'legal tender for all debts public and private'. At least the local levels of goverment should allow local currencies as legal tax instruments.

Another bioregional view might be to find mechanisms to protect and institutionalize the social utility of particular keystone species in a local ecology, to make them valuable instead of overlooked and destroyed? Once they are integrated, people may represent them durably out of their own self-interest in them, instead of destroy them as them being without interest.

Ic said:

Is what surrender does--planting trees in Haiti--of less value than what the head of marketing for Sugar Shit Cereals does when he launches a new ad campaign?

Speaking of trees, soil, and deforestation--

See this latest bit of interest over at Commodity Ecology concerning soil recreationand the ways to save the Amazon forests and Central American forests.

We're destroying things hardly by lack of known ideas for implementation, only by lack of implementation.

The link concerns 'the secret of the Brazilian terra preta ('dark soil' of the Amazon)--and how it is human made by Pre-Conquest societies. Charcoal is one of the key factors in recrating perhaps the most viable human-created soil ever. 880% improvement in yields, compared without charcoal plots? That's truly astounding. Particularly when it is compared to the ongoing destruction of the Amazon in short term ignorant soil destruction processes.

Making a soil-creating society instead of a soil destroying one?

A great, even lyrical, film gets into this. Odd to see in a documentary both information and artistry so well mixed:

Making a Soil Creating Society: Secrets of the 'Terra Preta'

The 'terra preta' the dark soil of the Amazon basin was a Pre-Conquest invention of the native peoples there. It is still coveted today, hundreds of years later by our unsustainable socities, for its astounding agricultural capabilites.

We can relearn the secret of the terra preta. Most of the secret has been found out. One of the major secrets has been learning about charcoal and its interactive ecological effects in the soil.


"a...durable human agriculture would be soil creating instead of soil destroying..."

It seems that a virtually unknown Bolivian savanna-based urban society and an Amazonian based agricultural/urban society existed that discovered a way to create soil via agriculture, instead of destroy soil by agriculture.

In the area of Bolivia and the Amazon, societies that were soil creating instead of soil destroying came into existence.

Learn these Pre-Conquest societies' secrets and the secret of the 'terra preta'. It was human made! We are figuring out how to remake it in the present!

The terra preta is still valued today in Brazil, and no one clearly knows how to remanufacture it quite yet. However, it has something to do with the wider ecological synergy created by placing charcoal in the soil.

Why charcoal? There is the slow release factor. Charcoal keeps in the soil for centuries. Instead of 'slash and burn' that reduces to fine erodable ash in order to put plant minerals in the soil, 'char and burn' that creates only half-consumed charcoal is soil creating.

The only half destroyed plant matter in charcoal releases its minerals into the soil slowly.

Second, charcoal seems to faciliate michorizal/fungi development in the soil. The fungi eats away at the half-consumed and charred plant material. At the same moment, the fungi encourage nitrogen fixation into the soil in this manner.

Third, there is another factor of what is hypothesized to be macrobiotic pecularities of the terra preta. It is known to 'self-reproduce' over a 20 year period even today, even when the topsoil has been removed. No one is sure how that works--yet. Though people are attempting to find out.

See this film that is mistitled. It is really about unlocking the secret of the terra preta:
For a demonstration of the slow-release charcoal effect, watch this video below. Scientists are starting to unravel the secret of the 'terra preta' in the Amazonian basin as anthropogenic.

BBC - Horizon - The Secret of El Dorado [The Secret of the Terra Preta’] [49 min]

A misnamed film which could be called The Secret of the Terra Preta (“Dark Soil”) of the Amazon. It shows visually the physical and soil evidence of a lost, massive, urban society in both the Bolivian savanna (on the eastern side of the Andes) and throughout the Amazon River area! No one even anticipated this because most dismissed the one European eyewitness as a liar when he reported to the Spanish crown that there was a massive teeming agricultural civilization in the Amazon in the first few years after Pizarro conquered the Inca in the Andes.

It was so completely destroyed by introduced European epidemics that no one ever saw it after the one accidental Spanish explorer (Orellana).

It seems he was telling the truth about Amazonian agriculture and urbanization after all.

From the film, it seems that the Pre-Conquest Amazonians knew about or stumbled upon a version of your sustainable cropping that grew soil as well as grew plants. They created a 'soil creating society' instead of one that destroys soil like we mostly have.

So eric, if you can't get zeolite...

9/21/2007 12:51:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

Trees for life has a philosophy that the founders declare belong to the Universe and therefore, they share with anyone who wishes to pass it on.

“Trees for Life is not just about planting trees, it is about the regeneration of the spirit of people:” Balbir Mathur.

So I’m pretty sure Glen Beck, who I know little about since I don’t listen to American radio or seen TV in over 5 years, would probably not fit in to our “outfit”. I did visit his website briefly, and read he is a recovered alcoholic and “born again” Mormon. But who knows? We could invite him to Haiti to “rough it” in the rural areas, hang out with some of the poorest people in the Western Hemisphere, dig in the soil and plant a few fruit trees and be humbled by the simple life of those who have LESS than the “basic necessities” that most Americans take unconsciously for granted.

SHRUB: this one: from Syn which prompted “die, pigs, die…

SOUNDER: It is now over a million Iraqis who have left this Earth.

Did you read about Groups A B C D on the site I referred you to? Explained a lot for me….

Try this: starkidspdf.pdf

Another thought regarding your dissertations on free markets. IMHO, MATERIALISM is the source of the “success” of free markets and the Corporate CABAL’s control of the consumerism which is visibly producing a “slow genocide” of the world population.

A definition of Materialism and Hyper-Individualism:

“Materialism is not just a matter of over enthusiastic consumer spending. Materialism is a corrosion of the soul. It creeps into the zone of being excess, when the realm of spirit is neglected or practically dead. Materialism is a desperate attempt by people to fill the void of their personal meaning. When people no longer think that their value comes from
being part of the Supreme Source{God}, when people no longer believe that their dignity and honor come from being higher-evolved conscious aspects of the Supreme Consciousness which pervades all reality, when people look around them and believe that the only things that exists are solid objects, then the compulsion sets in to try to create a sense of personal worth, and a sense of dignity and distinguishedness, by accumulating cosmic fabric permeated by Supreme Source numerically more and more expensive objects, so as to gain a sense of value, dignity, and honor by having more and finer material possessions than the other people around.

Hyper-Individualism is another human failing which contributes to the violence and coldness of contemporary ordinary- human society. By way of contrast, creating a healthy sense of community, and of communitarian values, that an individual’s purpose is to make a solid contribution to society as well as operate within the context of one’s individual blend of talents, capabilities, competencies and interests, that an individual is not greater than the community which that individual participates.

The Hyper-Individualism which infects so many cultures, ( a few indigenous cultures being the exception), tears at the fabric of the Social Contract which implicitly binds all in a society. Hyper-Individualism leads to societies in which “ME FIRST” is the operating principle: other people are seen as a nuisance and a bother, or someone to exploit, or to feel superior to, and there is little concern for the poor, the disabled, and the other unfortunates who cannot “make their own way”.”
Richard Boylan, Ph.D

I particularly liked the words “communitarian” values. Like that way better than

ps. Hey! EVE

9/21/2007 12:59:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...

Take a moment:


LOVE to all!!!

9/21/2007 01:19:00 PM  
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9/21/2007 01:57:00 PM  
Blogger wwwdotnet said...


9/21/2007 03:38:00 PM  
Blogger CuriosityShop said...

Well bless my prayer beads, this place has taken on a decided hippy air.

Just passing by, no need to tip your hats gentlemen.

Girls these are for you – I like what you’ve done with the place.

see ya around
movie girl

9/21/2007 04:05:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

Birchers think this:

"According to Welch," writes the progressive watchdog group Political Research Associates about the Birchers, "both the U.S. and Soviet governments are controlled by the same furtive conspiratorial cabal of internationalists, greedy bankers, and corrupt politicians. If left unexposed, the traitors inside the U.S. government would betray the country's sovereignty to the United Nations for a collectivist New World Order managed by a 'one-world socialist government.'"

You hippy assholes never read PKD did you?

He gave you up btw.

9/21/2007 05:54:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...


9/21/2007 06:42:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...


Seems like the U.S. Principate is almost here? U.S. Military folks seemingly getting killed by other U.S. military folks as the divisions expand. Minot AFB is where the nuclear bombs were stolen by the Fraud in Chief, Bush:

"4-6 young airmen from Minot AFB have died, separately, under mysterious circumstances while on leave, since July 1st, 2007.

It also talks about Rep. Gillmor, also mentioned here:

I'm leary of scaring people because there's been a lot of false alarms about "another 9-11" these days, but I'm pretty concerned about the report that someone's betting billions of dollars that the economy is going to tank by tomorrow. Does anyone have any solid evidence (in the form of a link) about this?"

Reposting link from her:

Todd Blue
Archived Posts from this Category

September 18, 2007
Letter to Congress/Senators on Current Events
Posted by Houston911truth under Congressman Gillmor , Put options , Todd Blue , WAKE UP

Posted on

Airmen deaths, Nukes missing? Paul Gillmor, Put Options? WHAT is going on?

Rep. Michael McCaul
Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison
Sen. John Cornyn

September 16, 2007

Mysterious deaths are on the rise. Remember the nuclear- tipped cruise missiles which were illegally flown across the US from Minot AFB on
August 30th 2007?

Turns out 4-6 young airmen from the base have died, separately, under mysterious circumstances while on leave, all since July 1st, 2007.

One, pilot, Todd Blue, has died since August 30th. These are healthy young men in their 20’s.

Then there’s the case of Congressman Paul Gillmor:

COLUMBUS, Ohio - U.S. Rep. Paul Gillmor, who was found dead in his
apartment in suburban Washington earlier this week, died of blunt
head and neck trauma consistent with a fall down stairs, according to a medical examiner’s report released Friday. This death was first reported as (mysterious) “natural causes”, seemingly plausible for someone 68 years old. Then, a couple days later, the blunt-force head and neck trauma
involved came out. This was immediately claimed as above, “consistent with fall down stairs”, though one should expect to see trauma to more than the
head and neck in such a fall. Rep. Gilmor was investigating the recent
“put actions” placed upon the market, gambling that there would be a 50% drop in the market between Sep.14 and Sep. 21, like the put actions placed preceding 9/11/01.

What about the fact that 3/7 of the brave young sergeants in Iraq who
dared publish the truth about what is going on there in an NYT op-ed
on Aug. 18th, 2007 have since experienced deadly assaults? Two died in a motor vehicle accident, one was shot in the head but survived.

If you know anyone in the military, point out these “accidents”. Ask them whether they are serving the American people or a tyrant who has stolen our government. Ask them what happens to those who criticize Bush or Cheney. Ask them how they feel about Blackwater and the other mercenaries.

Now, Greenspan comes out voicing Bush is to blame for the Iraq war and his search for oil.

We all know what the PNAC report called for - and the Iraq war was only a part of it. [PNAC people smiled on biological warfare for eugenic goals as well. See below link.*]

Something is supposed to happen by next Friday, or the people Rep. Gillmor was investigating will lose billions of dollars. One possible scenario- the internet is buzzing with rumors of a missing nuke.

Supposedly 6 took off from Minot and only 5 arrived at Barksdale.

This could be used to create a false flag event, and lead to martial law THIS WEEK.

Cypress , TX


Syn said:

Birchers think this:

"According to Welch," writes the progressive watchdog group Political Research Associates about the Birchers, "both the U.S. and Soviet governments are controlled by the same furtive conspiratorial cabal of internationalists, greedy bankers, and corrupt politicians. If left unexposed, the traitors inside the U.S. government would betray the country's sovereignty to the United Nations for a collectivist New World Order managed by a 'one-world socialist government.'"

First, I think that is pretty accurate, given the work of Antony Sutton and others:

"Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution


Antony C. Sutton


• The role of J. P. (Pontifex Maximus) Morgan banking executives in funneling illegal Bolshevik gold into the U.S.

• How the American Red Cross was coopted by powerful forces on Wall Street.

• Wall Streeters who intervened to free Leon Trotsky, even though Trotsky's stated aim was to engineer "the real revolution"—the Soviet coup which toppled Kerensky.

• The deals made by major [U.S.] corporations to capture the huge Russian market a decade and a half before the U.S. recognized the Soviet regime.

• The "closet socialism" of leading businessmen who paraded publicly as champions of free enterprise."


"Political Research Associates" is not a left much less a 'progressive' organization, Syn. It's a front. It seems to be a CIA proxy research organization organized through the Ford Foundation money to keep a watch on domestic right-leaning groups and pretend it is a left-leaning group.

It gatekeeps the left as well, recently on 9-11 information issues where it took on Fox News tactics. A namesake of the Dulles (a late CIA Director and Secretary of State brother-to-brother combination of the 1950s), Chip Berlet, whose real name is John Foster Dulles Berlet, works for PRA.

Berlet was quickly inserted unannounced to appear on the "Democracy (Never) Now" cargo-cult version of democracy show hosted by Amy Goodman:

"[W]hile Chip Berlet's affiliation with the Political Research Associates (PRA) was made known, you failed to mention the controversy related to PRA's alleged ties to the Ford Foundation:

It is also known that the Ford Foundation has a long-term connection with Democracy Now and Pacifica generally: [so a double link between Goodman, Ford Foundation, and Berlet money trail]

Recall that the Ford Foundation has been reportedly linked to the CIA for decades. By specifically choosing Berlet [unannounced to Griffin--a Fox News 'change the format tactic without telling the guest--which was done to other 9-11 activists from 9-11 Scholars for Truth who were 'invited' by the mass media to talk] to challenge Griffin this episode of Democracy Now! strongly resembles a CIA propaganda campaign.

Focus on Chip Berlet-- he.. "was a leader of the National Student Association during the late 1960s, when it was exposed for having received CIA financing, in a Ramparts magazine exposé.)"


*LET'S RECALL PNAC's quote, signed off by dozens of appointees in Bush Administration: "...advanced forms of biological warfare that can target specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool." This is a statement overtly supporting GENOCIDE. This is not politics as usual. What would you think if the President of the United States said this? All his staff have signed off on it. Would you care? Would you worry about your own genotype? In fact, this quote from the Project For The New American Century is from its 2000 document "Rebuilding America's Defenses." You are unable to organize a eugenic bioweapon driven Holocaust like PNAC wants without detailed individual genetic-biological lists, courtesy of, in the U.S. from 2008, a microwave based RFID file system with individual required bio-information-genetic markers carried at all times as an internal passport, mandated by the State; Bush learns from Third Reich well, same exact eugenic strategy different technical solutions [cite: IBM and the Holocaust]."


Jeff, you have a big binary in your own thought if you think an international Trotskyite like Chavez is 'the opposition or an alternative' since 'ex'-Trotskyites are supportive of the revolutionary global consolidation activities of the U.S. neocons. Third Camp revolutionary communist Schactmanites working with the neocons against the USSR and all that. I would agree with your statement, though it applies to yourself above as well.

Jeff said:

2. Binary thinking is a mind cancer that retards insight, and unfortunately flourishes in conspiracy culture. "The beginning of wisdom," said Terrence McKenna, "is our ability to accept an inherent messiness in our explanation of what's going on."

It doesn't just flourish in 'conspiracy culture' if such a thing exists as separate (from what? 'real culture?' another binary, Jeff?), it flourishes in daily politics and political ideologies.

9/22/2007 02:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's September 22nd Prophets of Doom....and no Market Crash. I guess the individuals, or individual who bet the market was going to crash lost big time. Can we have a follow-up story by the sensasionalist Prophets of Doom as to why, exactly, their alarmist predictions were wrong? Was it even true? All I heard was people asserting as much...but never any hard proof. Where's the rigor in that?

9/22/2007 08:16:00 AM  
Blogger wwwdotnet said...

When the wind blows, the cradle will rock.

9/22/2007 08:59:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Shrub said:

All I heard was people asserting as much...but never any hard proof.

Well, if

- loose nukes for the first time in 40 years (reported by the Army Times, and the Navy Times) that had to have Bush's authorization to move to the AFB used for staging the Iraq attack,

- dead Congressmen Gillmor

- who was investigating billions of "9-11 style" put options that would massive profit on a huge downturn only for a few days only--someone was willing to risk billions on the potential; I don't think the 'major media' (that's a laugh) ever probed that issue at all?

- Amero coins turning up with the "D" for Denver Mint on them with a 2007 date--followed by a shallow spin afterwards that they were 'fantasy coins' of Mr. Carr's--when Carr has a working 'fantasy relationship' with the U.S. Mint for previous fantasy designs that became official coin sets that he brags about on his webpages!;

- a handful of Minot AFB personnel in their 20's dying in the past several months before and after the loose nukes flew out,

I guess Shrub won't be happy until he sees a mushroom cloud. Then, will he smile in the radioactive air, satisfied the story has legs? And perhaps calmed by the idea, drink his SANKA?

We're not all so divorced from the game in play. Reportage can matter and keep things in check. Lack of reportage can facilitate bad things (for instance all the New York Times and other TV media blood frenzy after 9-11 to to go Afghanistan and then extended into Iraq (even though Osama and Saddam were diametrically at odds ideologically), when later the FBI casually admits that there never has been any evidence Osama has been connected with the 9-11 attacks. Or later that Judith Miller of the NYT (and the dozen or so neocons with the same talking point) outright lied to get the U.S. psyched and scared enough to support a pre-emptive Naziesque invasion? More reportage on the lies of their claims would have mattered to over a million dead Iraqis and thousands of U.S. (and other countries' troops).

Yes, it does bring up the conundrum whether the null can ever be proven, which is what I take you to be saying. Is lack of evidence ever evidence?

I'm quite willing to accept our continuing lack of proof, particularly if the only proof that is acceptable is nuclear terrorism and a market crash.

Another point is obviously the media don't report on everything, which is why we bring jigsaw pieces to the collective dining room table here. Or our SANKA.

My favorite underreported 'non-story' was the evidence (thin, agreed, though based on some unexplained reporting and reportin reversals about something found int he Chicago subways several years ago, aiming to be a terrorism plot foiled. This story dissapeared. It just happened to be terrorism from the Chicago subway right under the place where the Fitzgerald investigation was going on.

Such a predictable behavior: internal terrorism to blow up paper evidence of governmental elite criminality, making a big federal building into a giant paper shredder.

Wayne Madsen, not typically misled, as well as others, claimed there was some form of Chicago subway shootout between U.S./French intelligence versus some of the "loyal Bushies" who were planting a bomb under the Dirksten Federal Building to blow up the Fitzgerald investigation, and then change the subject once more. Now, since we didn't officially hear about it, that's proof it didn't happen? I think you might agree that is a strange standard of proof at this stage after six years of endless dissembling from 9-11 onward.

The Murrah Building in Oklahoma City housed the Gulf War Syndrome documentation files, I have read.

The WTC7 building (which had a lot of federal staffing like WTC6 which blew up as well from its basement through the roof) housed lots of pending criminal cases leading right to gold manipulation by the major banks of the USA, etc, and more.

Sometimes the 'null occurring' (something NOT blowing up) is fine with me as that would be an aim of participatory reportage.

Because, come on, how many Reichstag Fires does it take to get to the center of the Tootsie-roll lollipop, to satisfy a craving for tangible proof? I hope the world never has to know.

9/22/2007 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's the thing, Mark. I don't trust your sources any more than I trust the "Official" sources, because I believe they are one and the same.....just targeted at different audiences with different predilections for entertainment.

Whether I care if a Nuke goes off, or not, makes no difference, whatsoever, as to whether one does go off. It will happen, regardless of my concern, or lack thereof. For the record, I would hope one wouldn't go off.

Mark, I take it you don't work in the Corporate World due to your prolific research and posts, however, most people do, including myself. I'm rare in that I work in that realm, but I harbour these "defiant" thoughts and beliefs. It's a charade that's increasingly difficult to pull off the older I get. The internal conflict demoralizes me. Because I work in the Corporate World, I see how most people behave, and I experience what most people believe...and most of them don't believe what you espouse. They think you are nuts, and people like you are nuts. I don't think you are nuts...detached, perhaps, but not nuts. It would take a calamity to shock these people out of their collective stupor....but that would be too late. We don't have the skills to pick ourselves up by the bootstraps and survive. We're thoroughly softened and accustomed to things being there when we need them. What happens when Pizza Hut can't deliver anymore? The fat ass Couch Potatoes will starve because that's all they know.

Anyhow, we know about the nukes because "they" want us to know about the nukes, or it's a false story planted for disinformation purposes to keep the Alarmists feeding at the trough.

As far as the Billions in Options are concerned, September 21st was the expiration, according to the story. So, that means that someone gambled billions away, if it's a true story. One thing I know about the filthy rich is that they don't gamble billions away....the poor saps like us do, not them, so it leads me to believe the story was false, and, once again, purposely planted.

At some point, when you continue to play the Alarmist card, you are going to be labeled the Boy Who Cried Wolf. There is a moral to that story, you know, and perhaps that's the motive to all the false stories.

I'm not going to replace lack of faith in "Official" Institutions with faith in "Unofficial" Institutions...and that's the genuine behavior of a true skeptic, and also why I believe your comments to Jeff about Chavez are spot on. If he were a true threat, and not useful in some way, he would be dead, or otherwise deposed.

9/22/2007 11:47:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...


Sorry about the redundancy of my Hawkwind fetish. It's just an errant meme machine for me (and I never even watch youtubular, personally.)


Didn't mean to denigrate or even downplay Trees for Life by calling it a tree-planting outfit. (But you knew that, right?) And you're right about the role of materialism in the isolation of individualism, of course, but this key point has twin directions: one is the ready-made "demand" that fuels the engines of greed & control, while the other is the need that these false desires attempt to fill--the need to be connected. Keep on keeping on--you're the one who's inspiring.


Didn't mean to paint all libertarians with the same brush, especially after I make such a big deal about distinctions...That said, however, whosoever calls upon a "truly free Free Market" to save us (and this includes, verbatim I'm afraid, Mr. Paul) is an ass-clown for the Owners. I will look into your decentralized libertines, however...


Once again, you put the facts into my visions. The skill you have at footnoting hopeful hallucinations is beyond compare. (By which I also intend no disrespect for what you really do; I realize that ours is an accidental, incidental meeting of minds. You're the one with the Plan.) I do have a terra preta link or two you might like, if I can find them in my hidden closet.

I could write a much longer response to those comments you've made since I last posted, but it would be a sort of amplification and agreement anyway...I would like to ask just one question, though. You said something to the effect of "How many solid proofs or Reichstag fires do we really need?" Well, of all those mighty truths you list, the most striking, the most immediately world-changing is the fact of our true energy independence being hidden by such flimsy, shallow lies. This one (the true availability of more energy than we'd ever need being right at our blind finger-tips) would, once revealed, undress all the other falsehoods; it would bring about the Big Crunching Heat Death of Entropy (and our derivative discontents.)

And, it's a very small message--it's practically an ideogram. I mean it--no lengthy papers to support logical arguments, etc--just the naked truth in one byte.

Who could have imagined that Their weapon of pacification--the ideogrammic sound byte/bumper-sticker--could be turned against them to bring down their infamous house of cards? (Now, is Jeff the only one around here who knows how to Photoshop a searing Eye of Horus that's been stolen from the Pornographers of Doom and put to good use for once?)

Movie Girl,

I've missed you--what have you seen?

9/22/2007 12:02:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Peace to the Shrub, who said:

"One thing I know about the filthy rich is that they don't gamble billions away....the poor saps like us do, not them, so it leads me to believe the story was false, and, once again, purposely planted."

Not everything is a mirror held up to a mirror to mislead. Sounds like the Shrub has a case of future shock?:

Future shock is also a term for a certain psychological state of individuals and entire societies, introduced by Toffler in his book of the same name. Toffler's shortest definition of future shock is a personal perception of "too much change in too short a period of time"....Future shock is also a term for a certain psychological state of individuals and entire societies, introduced by Toffler in his book of the same name. Toffler's shortest definition of future shock is a personal perception of "too much change in too short a period of time"....

which encourages passivity and ambivalence because nothing seems true or legible or solid.

It's that kind of confusion that led to lassitude and a give-up attitude when conflicting information comes in without a way (or your point taken, the free time) to resolve or adjudicate its truthfulness. So with a lack of free time I guess from your point of view it would tend to blur from one unresolved crisis to another due to lack of cross-verification and its just 'safer' to believe everything is a lie that way and a scam.

Is that rigorous either, Shrub? That's a pre-conceived position that is airtight from any confirmation or even denial because you don't require evidence for that position either way, and actively refuse it.

However, the 9-11 put options did make a fortune. However, since the market was shut down that day later from trading and collecting the winnings, and since it went through Alex Brown bank, and since Buzzy Krongard late of Alex Brown was then inserted into the CIA right before everything went down, the fortune made was never claimed and the options (after all they are options) were never claimed. It would cause a lot of questions why it went through Alex Brown bank and why Krongard of that bank was placed into a major CIA admin position, right before 9-11? Then the whole investigation, which had the money trail, didn't want to link themselves to anything by then.

What's a few billion to anyone connected to the international drug economy--half a trillion every year to find something to spend on, if it is really all that consolidated to the top banks anyway?

The loose nukes could be a lie.
The put options story could be a lie.

Dead Gillmor is not a lie.
The Amero coin minted in Denver is not either.

I think from your defeatest tone you assume that there really is this consolidated agreement behind the scenes to spoof everything, and spook you, instead of contention behind the scenes with selective attempts to demote and promote certain interests all the while.

Some things may be spoofed, like the 'reactions' to 9-11 which were alrady planned out. We have the trifecta win of the Rockefeller prediction that was personally mentioned to the late Aaron Russo who said that his Rock-family friend about 11 months before 9-11 said

- he could predict a massive terrorism event soon
- which would lead to a middle east invasion
- and a pipeline in the Caspian

And behold, that we got. No spoof there.

Though other things aren't so cleanly created or spoofed on the world stage.

Just ask the non-Boeing hole at the Pentagon wall.

Get some rest. Wake up early and watch the sun rise or something. It may be more beneficial than SANKA.

IC said:

"footnoting hopeful hallucinations"


There's a truth out there, Mulder. That's what's probably more frighteningly off the wall feeling than the fears built up around it. Like the fact of just a handful of wind sites doubling global energy without pollution. Simple really. Frigheningly simple. So simple it doesn't respect the fears all built up around energy so people trust the fears they know instead of an alternative they could construct. It's starting to sound like Hamlet's soliloquy here:

to stick to fears that we know, instead of fly to things we know not of,
to take arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing end them.

Thus conscience (and second guessing and doubt) makes cowards of us all, and our thoughts loose the course of action.

Or something like that.

Shakespeare sketch
Live Shakespeare sketch with Hugh Laurie and Rowan Atkinson
Time: 05:49

9/22/2007 12:36:00 PM  
Blogger Syn Diesel said...

Wow, Naomi Klein is sounding a lot like a closet Bircher or 911 Truther. I wonder if she's just plagiarising and then search-replacing NWO/communist/elite with "right-wing capatialist."

9/23/2007 08:01:00 AM  
Blogger Arabesque said...

Disinformation and the Misleading and False LIHOP/MIHOP Dichotomy

Accuracy in language is important. Reality is often far more complex than can usually be understood with simplistic terminology. By definition, labels and phrases like “9/11 was an inside job”, “MIHOP”, “LIHOP”, “conspiracy theories”, and “War on Terror” are frequently used to simplify reality into small and easily comprehensible packages. While often helpful, translating reality into black and white labels is often misleading and inaccurate. This can even be purposeful and deliberate as frequently seen in politics and the mainstream media. The events of 9/11 are controversial and misunderstood by many and one significant culprit for this situation is the misleading and inaccurate usage of language to describe what happened.

The LIHOP label absurdly implies that a massively coordinated “failure” was not MADE to happen, while the MIHOP label has been used to indiscriminately imply that parts of the attack were not ALLOWED to happen. It is impossible to choose between the two unless by inaccurate generalization. Both happened, and yet both “theories” pretend that only one or the other happened, which is demonstrably misleading. For these reasons, MIHOP/LIHOP is a misleading and false dichotomy, inherently ambiguous, and easily results in straw-man arguments. Paradoxically, they are misleading because they are so simple—their meaning shifts depending on the context in which they are used easily resulting in misinformation.

This Orwellian debasement of language misrepresents the events of 9/11 into a ridiculous and overly-simplistic distortion of reality. Clearly, the 9/11 attacks were both ‘made’ and ‘allowed’ to happen in a carefully planned, complex, psychological operation—they would have been impossible without the use of both of these components. The misleading and false LIHOP/ MIHOP paradigm avoids the obvious and meaningful subtleties of reality. As Blogger Jeff Wells comments, “Binary thinking is a mind cancer that retards insight, and unfortunately flourishes in conspiracy culture. ‘The beginning of wisdom,’ said Terrence McKenna, ‘is our ability to accept an inherent messiness in our explanation of what's going on.’”

11/11/2007 04:07:00 AM  
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