Monday, October 01, 2007

Blow'd Up Real Good (Part One)

The atrocities over there, the interior paralysis over here -
Pleased with the better deal?
You are clamped down.
You are being bred for pain. - Leonard Cohen, "S.O.S. 1995"

Situation Serious, But Not Too Serious

"That's not the way the world really works anymore," so goes one of the signature quotes of our time, which doesn't much seem like our time. "We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality." But I don't know anymore what is meant by that way, and if the world ever worked like it.

Of course it was shocking, and shockingly true (and shockingly relevant, given the current pre-war show with Iran), but empires aren't alone in reality creation. We do it all the time, or we should, if we take ownership over the life of our minds. If we don't, then we're as good as "owned" in the Fortean sense of property, and pwn'd in the cyber slang of having our asses hacked and handed to us in an attachment.

Sometimes - perhaps most of the time in America and its decadent outposts - our reality is little more than a lifestyle choice. Opposition to empire amounts to which news network you watch, taking conspiratainment in a nightclub routine, and couch-dissenting with court jesters like Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.

In last week's interview with Bolivia's Evo Morales, Stewart wisecracked that in America elections were "a little rigged," to laughter, as if the joking acknowledgment of an historic tragedy were a revolutionary act. Morales' reality isn't satisfied by a punchline, and so he replied, though most guests likely wouldn't have imagined to thoughtfully follow-up on the quip. "So, if it's rigged," he said, to cheers and applause and Stewart's dumbfoundedness, "something needs to be done to change that."

Jeremy Thorpe, then leader of Britain's Liberal Party, was on trial in 1979 for conspiracy to murder his former gay lover, whose allegations of their affair was tarnishing Thorpe's career. The presiding justice was roundly castigated for his Old Boy bias, and was almost instantly immortalized in Peter Cook's satire "Entirely a Matter for You," which ends with the instruction to the jury, "you are now to retire, carefully to consider your verdict of 'Not Guilty.'" In this documentary clip, Terry Jones says of the Thorpe sketch "it still seems relevant, in the wake of the Hutton Report."

Yes it does. But here's the problem: jokes notwithstanding, Jeremy Thorpe was still found innocent, David Kelly is still dead, and presidential elections are still rigged. So maybe laughter isn't the best medicine to cure our world of empire.

In other places, the realities people choose can save them, kill them or free them, and sometimes all of the above. If you're a Buddhist monk, your excommunication of the "pitiless soldier kings" of Burma and their families may be a deadlier weapon than the one which may end your incarnation.

Freak Out

Freelance author Paulette Cooper was born into one hell of a reality, in Auschwitz, to parents who didn't survive the camp. In 1971 her first book was published, entitled The Scandal of Scientology, and included an interview with the disaffected L Ron Hubbard Jr, which revealed for the first time to a general readership the relation of Hubbard Sr to Aleister Crowley, and of Scientology to the occult. The Church had already sued Cooper for an article she'd written that appeared in London's Queen Magazine in December, 1969, which was also the month she received her first death threat, so of course they sued again. And neither did it end there.

Cooper found herself frequently followed, and multiple attempts were made to break into her apartment. Her phone was found to be tapped, and calls were often obscene and menacing. Anonymous hate mail piled up. She soon felt compelled to move to a residence with higher security, and her cousin Joy took over her apartment. Soon after, Joy opened the door to an unexpected delivery of flowers, and the deliveryman "unwrapped the flowers and there was a gun in it," Paulette told a Clearwater City Council hearing on Scientology in 1981:

And he took out the gun and he put it at Joy's temple and he cocked the gun, and we don't know whether it misfired, whether it was empty and it was a scare technique, what happened, but somehow, the gun did not go off. And he started choking her, and she was able to break away and she started to scream. And the person ran away.

And so she called a detective and he said, "It's a very wild attack because there doesn't seem to be any motive for it." There was no attempted rape, there was no attempted robbery, and why should somebody just suddenly try to kill her....

Then things got crazy.

About a week or two later at my apartment, I received a visit from the FBI. And they informed me that the public relations person from Scientology had claimed that she had received a couple of bomb threats and asked -- and had named me as somebody likely to send bomb threats.

Cooper didn't take the accusation very seriously, and consented to be fingerprinted. On May 19, 1973, she was indicted on three counts of sending bomb threats through the mail. (This is one of the letters.) And it came to that because, although she testified before a grand jury she had never before seen the letters, somehow, her fingerprints were found on them. ("I felt like a grand piano had just hit me on the head. I -- I fainted sitting up; the whole room just turned upside down and I didn't know what to do. And the, of course, the lawyers wanted more money.")

It wasn't until 1977 that the FBI, by its seizure of Scientology documents, learned that the Church had entirely forged the bomb threats to discredit its critic, and had crafted a project called "Operation Freakout" to either drive Cooper to suicide or a mental institution. Part of the plan consisted of a Scientology volunteer impersonating Cooper and making verbal threats towards the President and Henry Kissinger, and a second volunteer reporting them. Another named Jerry Levin moved into Cooper's building and befriended her during her darkest months, and reported back to the Church such things as "She can't sleep again...she's talking suicide. Wouldn't this be great for Scientology!"

Cooper very nearly lost her reality, because Scientology's reach was not exceeded by its means and intent to destroy it. And if we indwell our philosophies and make them our life rather than our lifestyle, we may evoke the same order of determined forces and find similar life and death consequence. If not, then we're more likely to merely freak ourselves out by paranoid invocation and commend ourselves as "info guerrillas."

A hard choice. But property doesn't have to choose.


Blogger kelley b. said...

Perhaps the alternative is to indwell our philosophy, rage against those who would own us, and fight the machine, but leave no forwarding address.

Okay, maybe we could list the P.O. Box of the local Dianetics Institute instead...

10/01/2007 05:30:00 PM  
Blogger chlamor said...

Haven't had the time to read the post, will attend to that tonight. Just wanted to say you have created quite a catalog of evocative images and it might be interesting to see them all gathered in a "virtual museum" of sorts.

10/01/2007 05:38:00 PM  
Blogger Vi said...

Jeff, thanks for the post. You've officially coined a brilliant and all-too-relevant phrase with "couch-dissenter."

10/01/2007 07:40:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

I missed the Liberal convention which conferred leader of the party on Pierre Elliot Trudeau but I got to the next convention as a young liberal at the Chateau Laurier in 1971. I got there early and positioned myself in the front row. Before the convention got started, floodlights went on and apparently it was the audience I was seated with at the time was the subject. I was wearing a three piece wool suit and the lights were making my eyes bleed. Before the festivity got going, "someone" came up to me and asked if I wouldn't mind changing seats. I went sheepishly along and found myself behind and to the right of a TV cameraman and beside a drop dead gorgeous blonde "lady". As it turns out, I was placed beside Mr. and Mrs. Thorpe.

Anyone who has attended any politcal convention (and I've been to a few) knows that a couple of thousand people loose in a hotel that have an agenda to meet and greet and rub shoulders in the halls of power, knows the outcome of these high octane over the top meetings of the mind. I guess I never figured it out til now.

10/01/2007 07:50:00 PM  
Blogger sewall said...


Yr brilliant. O'Hare UFO. Zacharias Moussaoui. Everything is applicable. Don't aim yr venom at the likes of Stewart. He's not the problem.

It's well known. It's duck and cover time.

10/01/2007 09:48:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

if scientology is so bad then why are you able to tell us the story of paulette cooper and not be targeted? (i am not suggesting you are lying, i am just curious to understand why scientology only enforces arbitrality their rules against people that criticise it).

also how does this affect the deaths of jb and td?


have a great evening.

10/01/2007 11:04:00 PM  
Blogger middleworld said...

They will kill each other.

We will have a new Elysian fields, a new language of rebirth. Lynch laughingly gives us one in Inland Empire. It is deeper than Stewart's, sure, more real? But fuck that, I'm not paralysed, at least.

The bloody boot prints will fill with flowers. The spider shall suck on the fly in a movie about a movie about prostitution and Hollywood and the bleed through of multiple souls.

Stewart does at least talk to Morales. Lynch turns all of us into whores that dance in the end. Gotta love 'em both I guess.

Conspiracy culture is a spiritual path. And the biggest con men are preachers.

10/02/2007 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Jeff Wells I appreciate your No One Saw the Carny Go, "Grassroots Wisdom", The Autumn People (a strange one)posts, and now this one. In the No One Saw the Carny Go post you wrote:

But in politics, integrity is a commodity that intentionally obfuscates policy with character. And it is also a tactic common to populist fascist movements of the last century... But it bears reminding that fascism is populist; its voices the loudest; its tents among the biggest; its appeal, appallingly broad.

Thank you for reminding and edifying me like you have done when relating to this kind of monster in the world. Fascist capitalism is the Ouroboros at work today. The mouthpieces of this vicious economic cycle are fountains without water, mists that are driven by furious storms; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved. They promise us liberty but they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he enslaved. The dog returns to his own vomit again; and the pig that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

It is a vicious economic cycle that is destroying itself. I have a question. Do the servants of this global economic management system expect its total failure? Thank you too for the Charles Fort exposure.

10/02/2007 01:08:00 AM  
Blogger Juke said...

The "official" accounts of Theresa Duncan's accusations and claims against the CoS were rebutted by quotes from the CoS that the CoS had never heard of her. End of story. That that seems exceedingly unlikely given their cephalopodic reach into information interfaces, and their pretty-well-documented levels of reactive intensity and sneaky-ass retributions, sits awkwardly on the inquiring mind.

10/02/2007 02:55:00 AM  
Blogger Dogananda said...

more ayahuasca please

10/02/2007 03:12:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

"We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality." LOL. Seems a bit ironic considering that the empire is at its end. The US cannot pay for or defeat an isolated third world insurgency, wow, what creative powers. When they ‘act’, they are only acting, and their ‘reality’ is as shallow as is they’re acting. Freedom, HA, security, Ha. When substance is eviscerated from the form, the perceived ‘reality’ will surely be dysfunctional.

Juke, you are being sarcastic, right? The CoS says nothing-happening here, end of story. Yah sure, I will accept the word of the soul sucking con men, sure.

Nice writing Belliosto

10/02/2007 08:10:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

I would like to dedicate the "International Day of Non-Violence" to the 1,000 Buddist monks floating facedown in the jungles of Myanmar.

10/02/2007 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger muddy elephant said...

"You are being bred for pain"

We've talked a bit here about the notion of us being a type of "food" or "property" for entities that feed upon pain,etc.

Doris Lessing has a couple of good books related to this idea: Shikasta and The Sirian Experiments.

There is a wellspring of pain, suffering, and paranoia in our experience on this world.

It seems that we are more readily able to tap into this dark energy than other entities even other animals.

"I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself
A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself
--DH Lawrence

I think it was RAW/others who stated: "You can't argue with the barrel of a gun."

What kind of resistance are we creating? Does it make us more paranoid or less? If our paranoia increases--we are playing into the hands of our captors, who are in fact more paranoid than they are even aware of.

I really think there is some hidden sense of accomplishment, a subtle pride. To be proud of paranoia is a slippery slope--even if everything you are afraid of is bone-chillingly true. The point is--you're afraid. And in a very important, though still illusory sense,... you have become them.

10/02/2007 10:18:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Belliosto asked: "Do the servants of this global economic management system expect its total failure?"
I believe they do...well, I should say, It seems as if they do. I don't want to be boxed into a tent or anything...
but It sure seems that there is a systematic effort to deconstuct and destroy the world by the PtB.
It seems that it is more than just greed or neglect.
And it seems to me, more than entropy.
Though that seems to play a role too.
I was watching "Final Fantasy, the Spirits Within" last night and the whole Gaia concept in that movie and the way that Dr. Sid must dispose of his heretical ideas in the form of his diary and his fear of persecution reminded me of the fears of our times.
The fear to do more than be a "court Jester" like John Stewart or to laugh and sink into our couch in fear of the fate awaiting us...And the great rift in our culture (that, of course has always existed) Now being madly pursued by the left gatekeepers and Rush Limbaugh....
It all leads to Fear or Action.
The Fear of being "suicided" or fates worse for our quest for Truth, for the Action we dream of taking.
My question is,
short of violent revolution (that many of us believe is inevitable)
what other alternative is there?
I hate to think that I have learned nothing from Martin Luther King Jr., Ghandi, Jesus....
To die for your beliefs, in the service of mankind...
am I just too idealistic?

10/02/2007 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Wow. Evo Morales from reality making in past Disney bubble into U.S. TV? Amazing. Stewart will soon be axed from the network at this rate. Thanks for the note about that.

Something about Evo from a post I wrote a while back, not really a post, just a collection of some articles about Bolivian decentralization in the hair-thin win by the first indigenous government (in 500 years...) in Bolivia:

On the overproduced TV set of Stewart's, Morales looks as "padlocked in place" as he feels in his ormolu chairs in the Presidential Palace in Bolivia.

10/02/2007 11:27:00 AM  
Blogger Gordon Cole said...

The UK Daily Mail reported a couple of days ago that a defendant in a plot to extort Tom Cruise over some pictures was found dead.

Scary stuff!

10/02/2007 11:46:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Jeff wrote in one of my more favorite entries "Are you being seved?": "I've been having a hard time lately, and it's largely because of the times. I don't think I've ever regarded this world, or even any other, with less hope than I do now, and frankly it's costing me. Though bearing the cost feels like an indulgence, because it seems so superfluous to the everyday business of just getting on with things.

Know what I mean? Life goes on regardless of what states we worry ourselves into, and all our effort to understand the forces at play does nothing to keep them in check. However much we know - and who can know how much that is? - knowledge does not change our condition, but adapts us to its accommodation. Charles Fort said "I think we are property." If so, what becomes of property when it knows it's property? More pointedly, would it be better if it never knew?"
um, is it better not to know or better to know and to actively DO something?
No hope...
It depends where your priorities lie. What's really important to you.
What are you willing to die for and are you at all?
And if it is all just a hologram,
A simulation....

10/02/2007 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger surrender said...


Evocative images accompaning Evocative messages.

"Ride the horse in the direction it is going" or something like that, comes to mind.


Yeah, you ARE that HOT, Radioactive HOT. Be careful!!!


What are you willing to LIVE for???

10/02/2007 05:32:00 PM  
Blogger wwwdotnet said...

Jeff said -

But here's the problem: jokes notwithstanding, Jeremy Thorpe was still found innocent, David Kelly is still dead, and presidential elections are still rigged. So maybe laughter isn't the best medicine to cure our world of empire.

There are so many nails to hit, but that was one truly hit on the head. I have always found it uncomfortable, the humor that is the produce of such atrocity. Comedy of the horror of our world. It is unwittingly dark on its underbelly, between the laughs, and the silence thereafter. But not on the intended face value. THIS is the true way to execute it.

Anyone not familiar with Chris Morris, search him on Youtube. He destroys the ridiculous structure and general existence of the mainstream media, damn well. Check out Jam, Brass Eye, Day to Day....

I'm still shocked at the ignorance of people toward CoS, there are several centers in London, one of which I passed where I saw a young woman crying after a free personality test. I felt like crying myself. I pass regularly due to work, and have once caught up with someone who had purchased a book to tell them to simply Google the damned religion and do some reading. What interests me is their "FREE personality test" sign outside the center. The very thing that the religion is not, attracts its first customers.

I guess I keep making this point in many ways, but the rise of the internet, and the access to information, I hope is the opportunity for us leave a world better informed.

I have for the past week stopped coming here, and other places on the net to rest my mind. It was strange. And strange to come back. Reality grows, dies, withers, rises, changes, morphs, goes. It is no pet to nurture, it's a home to decorate, but we're the walls and the paint as well.

And thank´s be to you
for helping me out
when Youth had no clue
what´s it all about
- Leonard Cohen

10/02/2007 08:36:00 PM  
Blogger LIN said...

I also like this lesson provided by the Scientology reality:

by Ray
Unlike large numbers of people who have been invited off the street to take this famous personality test of theirs, I have only good and happy memories of my short excursion into Hubbardland. It was all in all an instructive and rewarding experience with considerable entertainment value...

10/02/2007 11:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fletcher this knowledge that we somehow have acquired about how our world operates needs to absorb into our minds slowly at the first. Our minds are overloaded with crap knowledge. It had taken me years to better handle and accept these things . Years went by and I always ended up close to the edge. We commoners rich and poor simply cannot apply this kind of intelligence of the super-rich into our lives. Simply stated the influences of their intelligences drives us mad.

I am not desiring a monopoly on certain services with my influences . I'm looking to go on vacation. The differences between the elite and us are well known. Their influences have caused innocent people to go insane. What you have to do is find your Rock Island. Things that give you peace of mind and contentmentness. Because if you have found peace of mind and are content with your found purposes in life it is just a matter of work. It must first be peace and taking care of your everyday life around you. Your own house needs to be taken care of first. Then embracing the teachings of the social sciences and the corruption will be easier to handle.

Without our Rock Island we are lost and cannot do much any work. Then it does become utterly hopeless. We should start out small and work our way up. I have taken in way too much knowledge all these years and even though I do have a Rock Island it was still very difficult to bear with all the influences of the elite. It is in my opinion that your sense of worship, of what you respect in awe, and what gives you a sense of security in this life good or bad is more important than the New World Order. The NWO is destined to fail without us fighting against it and without us being one with it. I think that makes sense and I keep my sanity regardless of what I may be labeled as being. Do you know what I mean?

10/03/2007 04:38:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

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10/03/2007 08:30:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

I know what you mean, believe me I do.
I guess i agree in more of a philosophical sense.
But i feel like the NWO is going to win despite our best efforts to find our "Rock Island"
Though what else can we do??
In Dawn of the Dead (from 1978)
Roger says to Fran, "We've got to do nothing, Fran, we've got to survive! Somebody's got to survive!"
And I like that. The Idea of just LIVING your life. 'Running' as it were. But where can you run from a global network of satelites that track your every movement??
I guess if you don't have anything to hide... That's all fine and dandy if you're ok with that.
My problem is that the older I get and the closer i get to death and the more horror I see in the world, the more I wrap my mind around it, the more I can no longer adhere to that philosophy.

10/03/2007 09:28:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

1984 for all of it's bleak outlook of the future, was a tool of the present. Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia are a fact of their art. The crushing of public dissent in Burma is not the clue. The reaction of North America gives it up. Thousands of monks have been murdered and their bodies dumped in rivers and throughout the jungle or burned in heaps, but North America has no interest or knowledge when they don't want to have truth shown to them. Peaceful resistance to a 50 year oppression yields a jackboot on their throat.

The second bit of information of the tripartate hegemony is here in Oceania. Our government including England, Austrailia, New Zealand, Canada, and the United States will be practicing MARTIAL LAW in an exercise slated for Oct. 15 to Oct. 20 in 2008.

Bush is still the president and all is well in police state tactics.

10/03/2007 09:43:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Is pretty scary stuff. New weapons's all here.
and it's flashy with dark drum & bass music set to it. (if you can deal with that)
All about the I.X.O. total control that on google video if this link doesn't work (I had trouble finding it)

10/03/2007 12:06:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

OK, that link does work.

10/03/2007 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Look at the time...

10/03/2007 08:51:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world. By seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger. They could provide these arms to terrorists, giving them the means to match their hatred. They could attack our allies or attempt to blackmail the United States. In any of these cases, the price of indifference would be catastrophic."
George W. Bush Jan. 29, 2002

"In Iran, we're dealing with a country where the leader has said that he wants to destroy Israel. My belief is that the United States will defend our ally Israel. This is a leader who has made very provocative statements. And, we have made it clear, however, that in spite of that, we are willing to sit down with him, so long as he suspends his program."
George W. Bush Oct. 3 2007

""Bitter after being snubbed for membership in the "Axis of Evil", Libya, China and Syria today announced that they had formed the "Axis of Just as Evil", which they said would be more evil than that stupid Iran-Iraq-North Korea axis President Bush warned of in his State of the Union address.

"Axis of Evil members, however, immediately dismissed the new Axis as having, for starters, a really dumb name. "Right. They are just as evil . . . in their dreams!" declared North Korean leader Kim Jong-il. "Everybody knows we're the best evils . . . best at being evil . . . we're the best."

"Diplomats from Syria denied they were jealous over being excluded, although they conceded they did ask if they could join the Axis of Evil. "They told us it was full," said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

"An axis can't have more than three countries", explained Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. "This is not my rule, it's tradition. In World War II you had Germany, Italy, and Japan in the evil Axis. So, you can only have three, and a secret handshake. Ours is wickedly cool."

"International reaction to Bush's Axis of Evil declaration was swift, as within minutes, France surrendered. Elsewhere, peer-conscious nations rushed to gain triumvirate status in what has become a game of geopolitical chairs. Cuba, Sudan and Serbia announced that they had formed the "Axis of Somewhat Evil", forcing Somalia to join with Uganda and Myanmar in the "Axis of Occasionally Evil", while Bulgaria, Indonesia and Russia established the "Axis of Not So Much Evil Really as Just Generally Disagreeable...."

"With the criteria suddenly expanded and all the desirable clubs filling up, Sierra Leone, El Salvador, and Rwanda applied to be called the "Axis of Countries That Aren't the Worst But Certainly Won't Be Asked to Host the Olympics".

"Canada, Mexico and Australia formed the "Axis of Nations That Are Actually Quite Nice But Secretly Have Some Nasty Thoughts About America", while Scotland, New Zealand and Spain established the "Axis of Countries That Want Sheep to Wear Lipstick". "That's not a threat, really, just something we like to do", said Scottish Executive First Minister Jack McConnell.

"While wondering if the other nations of the world weren't perhaps making fun of him, a cautious Bush granted approval for most axis, although he rejected the establishment of the "Axis of Countries Whose Names End in 'Guay", accusing one of its members of filing a false application. Officials from Paraguay, Uruguay, and Chadguay denied the charges.

"Israel, meanwhile, insisted it didn't want to join any Axis, but privately world leaders said that's only because no one asked them."
John Cleese

10/03/2007 10:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fletcher this global management system is only for the very few at the highest level. Like all commerce systems in past civilizations this one will collapse. Maybe it is eccentric to see that far ahead and make this kind of prediction. It is not zany to believe this. To fight against this commerce beast system is to be martyred on its behalf. You would be doing it and its members a service by openly resisting. By giving into it we are regulated by it and make up lies on the behalf of it to our own demise. For it and its members do not care for us. We would be doing it justice. By not fighting against it and not joining with it is the very best choice. We then do it no service and give it no justice.

Try not to let the influences of corrupt men get the best of you Fletcher. They are not worth the time and effort we have put in to better understand their plans. I have looked beyond the big picture and saw how small I am in our galaxy. I try to be humble, non argumentative, and a patient willing teacher even without passion. If I can do this then I have accomplished something genuine and sincere for the day. This is the kind of work I am talking about. It may not be easy but it should get done. I hope this will help you eventually.

10/04/2007 01:52:00 AM  
Blogger M1 said...

Here's a new source de Dylan you might wanna mine for one of your fine posts.

10/04/2007 05:27:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Dear Mr. Bellicose..Is that an 800 pound gorilla you have under your lectern?

CNN finally does a "duck and cover" story on Burma. Yup.. They went right out and said it. The monastaries are empty and no A.J. could be found to defend them to the death.

They did draw some interesting parallels on their coverage. It appears that the general is a bit of a recluse and built his own capital and palace in an increasingly destitute nation with 400,000 soldiers that have been segregated from the citizens.

"Speaking through an interpreter from Crawford, Texas, President Bush was quoted as saying that citizens of the world should not misunderestimate the power of a single butterfly in the last acre left standing in the Amazon jungle."

10/04/2007 07:00:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Thanks LIN for that uncle Taz link. That Ray fella is a person that I am happy to learn a few things from (through).

10/04/2007 08:02:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Am I the only person to notice that you are constantly sick? I remember a couple of months ago noticing how often you compalin of illness, but now it's a constant litany of your various sicknesses.

I'd write about that if I were you.

10/04/2007 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Am I the only person to notice that you are constantly sick? Are you really this ill all the time or is this a form of hypochondria? Or an Internet version of Munchausen's by Proxy?

10/04/2007 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

sorry about the double post, thought I'd timed out.

Get well soon!

10/04/2007 10:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you think about it, we're all sick and diseased. Jeff's pronounced physical ailments are an unconscious metaphor of our collective current state.

10/04/2007 01:26:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Vibe it away, Jeff? We can't have the host (in all senses of the word) coming down with parasites.

10/04/2007 02:04:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Hey Mark, totally puzzled how following your Vibe machine link led me to North American Union videos, but evidently Lou Dobbs is a believer too.

10/04/2007 02:33:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Belliosto said: "Fletcher this global management system is only for the very few at the highest level. Like all commerce systems in past civilizations this one will collapse. Maybe it is eccentric to see that far ahead and make this kind of prediction."
I couldn't disagree more.
Did you watch the link I provided on the I.X. O.?
It's for Total Global Domination...
It seems like a sci-fi movie until at the end they source it all to official contractor websites and government documents.
"You would be doing it and its members a service by openly resisting."
It really IS 1984.
"By not fighting against it and not joining with it is the very best choice."
Oh man. I don't know B. You won't have the luxury of a choice like that when it hits the fan. I wish it were as simple.
Too bad we won't be able to hide in the wilderness somewhere "off the grid" and use solar panels and compost piles because there really won't be anywhere to hide from an advanced military A.I. programmed for total control. Resistors will be a threat because they represent hope or an alternative to the system, the megatherion that is destined to be.
I believe there is an answer, but I don't think it's as simple as just, "ignore it and it loses validity" or something to that effect.
ericswan, it really is a tool of the present, 1984, that is.
And it seems so trite to keep saying that, but damn if that shoe doesn't fit....

10/04/2007 03:22:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

OK, Belliosto, I misread what you posted...sorry!
It probably will colapse, yes..eventually...after we are all just dust, after decades of warfare until mankind is driven underground to survive the fallout..or whatever quantum bomb they invent by then.
But by then it might just be like skynet (terminator) an army of self aware killing machines that will outlive us all.
And Arnold will be the Cyborg President! How crappy, how absurd that reality could imitate a James Cameron film. And I even like Terminator!!!

10/04/2007 03:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you think that I unwittingly support the global management system? Can you blame me for the New World Order? The last several posts was out of concern for Fletcher.

I can listen to Black Sabbath's, Paranoid one hundred times and I'm fine. Then I start to freak out when I listen to it the one hundredth and one time. Is this a mystery? Is it a shock that it has happened? If you force yourself to go through all this information you may eventually freak out. It may be fun to do but not necessary. What would you do if somebody in your life was seriously suffering from anxiety? Would you maliciously mock your friends and family for feeling panicky? How would you handle a nervous breakdown? Would you ask your loved one to please stop playing and get back to normal again while suffering from one?

When Alex Jones says that you serve the NWO punk and he does not, are you in agreement? Like it is our fault that a super-rich global management system is a reality. Most of us do not have billions of dollars, but Mr. Jones likes to make light of this and still blame the small man. hardy har har You know why we have so many problems in the world? It's because of your neighbor. Your neighbors founded the New World Order and your neighbors are shills and everything must revolve around you for what you say about the NWO.

I'm on your case, I'm in your face
Kick you and your father back in place
Step, up sucker, understand
Don't you know,

I'm the man! I'm the man! I'm so bad I should be in detention! I'm the man!

So I say Hitler was no good. Therefore because I say it I'm a hater and need to show some respect for the leader. yeah right

10/04/2007 08:45:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

From a disembodied voice immortalized on U-Tube:

"Hey, you're blowing my buzz. Tell jokes or get off the stage. C'mon man, we're here to have fun."

From Wired:

"The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has gone to many strange places in its search for ways to identify terrorists before they attack, but perhaps none stranger than this lab on the outskirts of Russia's capital. The institute has for years served as the center of an obscure field of human behavior study -- dubbed psychoecology -- that traces it roots back to Soviet-era mind control research.

What's gotten DHS' attention is the institute's work on a system called Semantic Stimuli Response Measurements Technology, or SSRM Tek, a software-based mind reader that supposedly tests a subject's involuntary response to subliminal messages.

SSRM Tek is presented to a subject as an innocent computer game that flashes subliminal images across the screen -- like pictures of Osama bin Laden or the World Trade Center. The "player" -- a traveler at an airport screening line, for example -- presses a button in response to the images, without consciously registering what he or she is looking at. The terrorist's response to the scrambled image involuntarily differs from the innocent person's, according to the theory.
Gear for testing MindReader 2.0 software hangs on a wall at the Psychotechnology Research Institute in Moscow. Marketed in North America as SSRM Tek, the technology will soon be tested for airport screening by a U.S. company under contract to the Department of Homeland Security.
Photo: Nathan Hodge

"If it's a clean result, the passengers are allowed through," said Rusalkina, during a reporter's visit last year. "If there's something there, that person will need to go through extra checks."

Rusalkina markets the technology as a program called Mindreader 2.0. To sell Mindreader to the West, she's teamed up with a Canadian firm, which is now working with a U.S. defense contractor called SRS Technologies. This May, DHS announced plans to award a sole-source contract to conduct the first U.S.-government sponsored testing of SSRM Tek. "

From the Washington Post:

"The U.S. government is collecting electronic records on the travel habits of millions of Americans who fly, drive or take cruises abroad, retaining data on the persons with whom they travel or plan to stay, the personal items they carry during their journeys, and even the books that travelers have carried, according to documents obtained by a group of civil liberties advocates and statements by government officials.

The personal travel records are meant to be stored for as long as 15 years, as part of the Department of Homeland Security's effort to assess the security threat posed by all travelers entering the country. Officials say the records, which are analyzed by the department's Automated Targeting System, help border officials distinguish potential terrorists from innocent people entering the country.

But new details about the information being retained suggest that the government is monitoring the personal habits of travelers more closely than it has previously acknowledged. The details were learned when a group of activists requested copies of official records on their own travel. Those records included a description of a book on marijuana that one of them carried and small flashlights bearing the symbol of a marijuana leaf.

The Automated Targeting System has been used to screen passengers since the mid-1990s, but the collection of data for it has been greatly expanded and automated since 2002, according to former DHS officials.

Officials yesterday defended the retention of highly personal data on travelers not involved in or linked to any violations of the law. But civil liberties advocates have alleged that the type of information preserved by the department raises alarms about the government's ability to intrude into the lives of ordinary people. The millions of travelers whose records are kept by the government are generally unaware of what their records say, and the government has not created an effective mechanism for reviewing the data and correcting any errors, activists said."

From the New York Sun:

"Frustrated by press leaks about its most sensitive electronic surveillance work, the secretive National Security Agency convened an unprecedented series of off-the-record "seminars" in recent years to teach reporters about the damage caused by such leaks and to discourage reporting that could interfere with the agency's mission to spy on America's enemies.

The half-day classes featured high-ranking NSA officials highlighting objectionable passages in published stories and offering "an innocuous rewrite" that officials said maintained the "overall thrust" of the articles but omitted details that could disclose the agency's techniques, according to course outlines obtained by The New York Sun.

Dubbed "SIGINT 101," using the NSA's shorthand for signals intelligence, the seminar was presented "a handful of times" between approximately 2002 and 2004, an agency spokeswoman, Marci Green, confirmed yesterday. Officials were pleased with the program, she said.

"They believe they were very successful in being able to talk to journalists regarding our mission and the sensitivities of our mission in an unclassified way," Ms. Green said.

The syllabi make clear that the sessions, which took place at NSA headquarters in Fort Meade, Md., were conceived of not merely as familiarization tours, but as part of a campaign to limit the damage caused by leaks of sensitive intelligence.

"Course Objective: to convey the fragility of SIGINT and to increase editors' and reporters' understanding that there are other ways to express similar thoughts in an article without compromising the story and without compromising SIGINT," the syllabi said.

The NSA's seminars, delivered over tea and pastries, and accompanied by a clip from "Top Gun," seemed designed to elicit a chummy atmosphere and to highlight commonalities between reporters and the agency's electronic sleuths. "Reporters go to great lengths to protect their sources, as do we," one talking point for the classes said. "We need your help."

From am New York:

"Jennifer Flynn is not a rabble-rouser. She's not an aspiring suicide bomber. She doesn't advocate the overthrow of the government. Instead, she pushes for funding and better treatment for people with HIV and AIDS.

Better keep an eye on her.

Wait! Somebody already did.

On the day before a rally by the New York City AIDS Housing Network at the 2004 Republican National Convention -- a rally by an organization Flynn co-founded, and a rally that the NYPD had approved -- she experienced something straight out of a spy novel.

While visiting her family in Hillside, N.J., Flynn spotted a car with a New York license plate parked outside the house.

When she left to head back to her Brooklyn home that evening, the car followed hers. Shortly after leaving Hillside, two more vehicles, also with New York plates, seemed to be tailing her, too.

Trying to assure herself she wasn't nuts, Flynn tested her hunch -- changing lanes, making turns, pulling over and parking. The drivers in those three vehicles mimicked her actions.

At one point, she recalled, she slowed down and one of the other vehicles ended up alongside her car. She looked over to see several men in the vehicle. She gestured toward them. The men "threw up their arms as if to say, 'We're only doing what we're told,'" she remembers.

On the New Jersey side of the Goethals Bridge, her followers pulled away. But later, when Flynn pulled up in front of her Flatbush home, she spotted another car, with two men inside, both with laptops. At 4 a.m., they were still there."

From VeriChip:

"Over the last weekend, the Associated Press published an article regarding the safety of one our products, the implantable VeriMed Patent Identification System. More specifically, the article referenced studies in laboratory mice and rats that demonstrate some potential for tumors from a similar microchip to VeriChip. Obviously, this article has caused extreme concern for us and more importantly, for our obligation to you. Rest assured, we remain confident that our VeriChip products are extremely safe as evidenced by the FDA's approval and recent affirmation of that approval."

From Project Censored:


Named for a bird that picks offal from a carcass, this financial scheme couldn't be more aptly described. Well-endowed companies swoop in and purchase the debt owed by a third world country, then turn around and sue the country for the full amount — plus interest. In most courts, they win. Recently, Donegal International spent $3 million for $40 million worth of debt Zambia owed Romania, then sued for $55 million. In February an English court ruled that Zambia had to pay $15 million.

Often these countries are on the brink of having their debt relieved by the lenders in exchange for putting the owed money toward necessary goods and services for their citizens. But the vultures effectively initiate another round of deprivation for the impoverished countries by demanding full payment, and a loophole makes it legal.

Investigative reporter Greg Palast broke the story for the BBC's Newsnight, saying that "the vultures have already sucked up about $1 billion in aid meant for the poorest nations, according to the World Bank in Washington."

With the exception of the BBC and Democracy Now!, no major news source has touched the story, though it's incensed several members of Britain's Parliament as well as the new prime minister, Gordon Brown. US Reps. John Conyers (D-Mich.) and Donald Payne (D-N.J.) lobbied Bush to take action as well, but political will may be elsewhere. Debt Advisory International, an investment consulting firm that's been involved in several vulture funds that have generated millions in profits, is run by Paul Singer — the largest fundraiser for the Republican Party in the state of New York. He's donated $1.7 million to Bush's campaigns."

From ericswan:

"Bush is still the president and all is well in police state tactics."

From National Post:

"The President also candidly reveals the emotional toll Iraq has taken on him, saying overseeing the current troop surge has been a "tiring period."

Discussing his past battles with alcohol, he says he would never be able to make decision on war if he was still drinking.

"Exercise helps. And I think prayer helps," he says. "I wouldn't be President if I kept drinking. You can get sloppy, can't make decisions. It clouds your reason, absolutely."

Despite the current problems plaguing Iraq, Mr. Bush seems "more serene" about the prospects for victory and is already planning his career after the White House.

He said he plans to "replenish the ol' coffers" by speaking on the lecture circuit, where he can make "ridiculous" money recounting his experiences.

"I don't know what my dad gets. But it's more than 50, 75 [thousand dollars]," he said. "Clinton's making a lot of money."

Perhaps the oddest revelation is an episode from 1992, when his father was president.

The younger Mr. Bush found the White House a "creepy place," Mr. Draper writes.

After exercising in a White House gym one evening, he told a friend he froze in his steps while approaching the Lincoln Bedroom.

Mr. Bush insists "he saw ghosts - coming out of the wall," according to the friend."

From Charles Bukowski:

"At the age of 25 most people were finished. A whole goddamned nation of assholes driving automobiles, eating, having babies, doing everything in the worst way possible, like voting for the presidential candidate who reminded them most of themselves."

From Shrub:

"If you think about it, we're all sick and diseased."

From my stereo:

"In the inner chambers of the president
You will find no crosses
only pentagrams."

10/05/2007 12:33:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

I don't think I have ever seen Jeff state more succinctly how trapped he feels by his knowledge now. HE only sees two options for himself. He said:

"And if we indwell our philosophies and make them our life rather than our lifestyle, we may evoke the same order of determined forces and find similar life and death consequence. If not, then we're more likely to merely freak ourselves out by paranoid invocation and commend ourselves as "info guerrillas."

So Jeff's only visible life-affirming choices resulting from such parapolitical studies are 'bad' and 'worse', am I reading that correctly?

So much for "what you don't know, can't hurt them." That phrase of several years ago as Jeff was starting out phrased the project in terms that ignorance of all of this was more dangerous. And that the only 'harm' would be to make the world a better place--via a more informed public shortening the allowances given to their occult and parapolitically criminal elites.

However, Jeff increasingly feels burdened, arguing that knowledge it brings is more psychically weighty, personally destabilizing, and thus more dangerous in its effects on the knower than the ignorant.

Jeff's external-referencing motto of "what you don't know, can't hurt them" has increasingly become an internal-referencing "what you do know, can hurt you."

I'm sorry you feel that way. Of course this is a result that you tend (in my opinion) to ponder the self-referential and self-existential effects of your knowledge instead of seeing it leading to action of any sort anymore. (Someone said just as much about knowledge/action above (in the 'rock' analogy).)

10/05/2007 03:52:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Surprising figures given the media blitz that is attempting to convince and corral people otherwise:

"Jericho/Tel Aviv, September 19, 2007 —Today, the OneVoice Movement, a youth-led mainstream nationalist movement with parallel operations in Israel and the Palestinian Authority, announced that it had exceeded its original goal of recruiting half a million Palestinian and Israeli citizens as signatories of a mandate demanding a two-state solution. The OneVoice Mandate calls on Palestinian President Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Olmert to start immediate, uninterrupted negotiations until a comprehensive two-state solution is reached.

As of the latest audit on September 17, 2007, 536,443 Israeli and Palestinian signatories (262,008 Israelis and 274,435 Palestinians) have joined the movement. Having exceeded its goal of recruiting half a million Palestinians and Israelis in roughly equal numbers four months earlier than planned, OneVoice aims to get to One Million citizen signatories by the end of 2007.

The groundswell of Israeli and Palestinian citizens committing themselves to the movement will gather on an unprecedented scale on October 18th, 2007, when OneVoice will host the One Million Voices to End the Conflict people's summits. The summits will be held simultaneously in Jericho and Tel Aviv, and linked via satellite to international "echo" events in London, Washington D.C. and Ottawa. Hundreds of thousands are expected to participate, showing their solidarity in support of a two-state solution and demanding accountability to the will of the people.

The Mandate sets a deadline for the Heads of State to achieve an agreement no later than October 18, 2008, one year from the date of the peoples' summit.

"While risky, setting a deadline is vital to send a message that business as usual is no longer acceptable to the people. Every minute delayed in ending the conflict is a minute gained by forces of militant absolutism committed to erase the possibility of a two-state solution," said Daniel Lubetzky, Founder of the OneVoice Movement.

"If the Israeli and Palestinian Heads of State demonstrate progress over the coming months, they will be able to eventually reverse the debacle in Gaza, by pointing to a positive alternative that will undermine extremism," added Lubetzky. "But if they don't, the opposite will happen and fundamentalist extremist ideologies will spread to the West Bank, and eventually Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and the world."


Through a series of groundbreaking negotiations held among Palestinian, Israeli and international experts and advisors, OneVoice revealed that a hidden consensus amongst the people exists on the basis of a two-state solution.

76% of both Israelis and Palestinians are in favor of a two-state solution, and would be willing to compromise to live in strong, independent, stable states at peace with their neighbors. Building off of these Citizens Negotiations is the OneVoice Mandate, which calls upon the region's elected representatives to:... [rest of article]"

10/05/2007 05:52:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

The nwo can promote Fabian Socialists until the day of their demise, for all I care. The snobs that consider themselves qualified to define what are to be proper expressions of being for the larger population can go suck an egg. Their concepts and relations to reality are backwards. Defining your own being inculcates the internalization of the learning process. An aesthetic that promotes consciousness development (via new criteria for understanding) is the only antidote to current prescriptive attitudes.

Can science have ANYTHING to do with reality? (Please yes, let it become so.)

10/05/2007 07:40:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

uh no I don't think you unwittingly support the global management seems that both you and I are both aware of how we wittingly support the system merely by being part of the economy and paying taxes.
The question of if you support it's philosophy I had no doubt over.
Obviously you don't.
give me just a bit'o credit.
and lighten up.
I am not losing my mind over this issue...I lost my mind a long time ago and I do not plan on getting it back.
I was only asking questions.
But you seem concerned for me and I appreciate the sentiment. At times it is horrifying, when you stare too deeply into the looking glass...
I love Black Sabbath, btw. but I like "War Pigs" to get me all fired up. Paranoid is one of the best albums ever made.
Oh and I hate Glenn Beck, but I enjoy watching him for some insane reason now and then...
last night don king was on there and I swear he was soooo high on something...and that jacket..jesus christ...

10/05/2007 08:30:00 AM  
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10/05/2007 08:47:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Is action reaction is dialectic? I'm thinking "mob mentality" here. When the mind benders want something to do with their selves, they look for a way to manipulate others. Not so much as an end in itself but entertainment with a modicum of "future reference" implied. If A is to B than C or the ABC's.

Torture as an experiment or let's see what we get when we apply this force to that object.

Okay, okay..I will cut to the chase. The room is jumpin'. Anything can and will happen.

13 cubed

or the many faces of Eve

Saturn this way

Mars on the corner

Swashing and switching

coursing marching meandering

sleep til 2 am


wake up

weigh up

10/05/2007 09:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When you look at the "System," holistically, you can't help but observe that it is Vampiric in substance. It is designed to drain the lifeforce out of us and everything that attends that, such as humanity.

It's this observation that justifies me holding onto the insanely impossible notion that maybe there are forces behind it all and that is intent....kind of like the concept in Monsters, Inc. FYI, it's juts a notion...not a zealous religious belief that I cling to against all odds. I neotehr cling to the notion unceasingly, nor do I eschew it because it doesn't conform to Conventional Wisdom.

10/05/2007 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger CuriosityShop said...

Shrub said -
When you look at the "System," holistically, you can't help but observe that it is Vampiric in substance. It is designed to drain the lifeforce out of us and everything that attends that, such as humanity.

You continue to surprise me. And that's a good thing I think. :)

Is there such a thing as truth anymore? The problem I have with conspiracy theories and dancing with the dark, is spiritual. We give all our power away when we believe (please note what is buried right inside of that word) our lives are controlled by a small group of evil elitists, or some angry warrior god that only wants to punish me.

I only have this moment in time right now and I choose to spend it wisely and not give it away or sell it.

You can enslave my body but my mind and my spirit are mine and not for sale. And that is exactly what the last great battle is, who owns your mind. Choose your illusion wisely. Are you with us or against us? Who is us? I am not an us, I am me.

And who can say what is real anymore, is anything? I know love is real and spirit is real. Perhaps when science realizes that truth we might all be – lie- ve.

“Belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence.”
Robert Anton Wilson

The ancients believed that as the incarnating soul descended from heaven toward Earth it passed through the spheres of the seven planets: the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Mars, and Saturn. As these seven bodies circled the Earth, each on its own sphere, they formed a ladder between Heaven and Earth. At each of these spheres, the deity, or angel, of the planet clothed the descending soul with certain virtues and vices that became its body. This is the basis of the natal horoscope in astrology.

The Gnostics thought of the soul as a divine essence that entered the physical world in the form of a body. This belief could take a pessimistic form, in which the body was thought of, as a prison for the soul, or it could take an optimistic form, in which the body was thought of, as the temple of the spirit. The pessimists viewed the contributions of seven planets as a type of pollution. When a person attained gnosis, they believed that these seven influences were cast out. This is the real meaning of the line in St. Mark (16:9) that states that Jesus cast seven devils out of Mary. When we understand the hidden meaning, it attests to Mary's enlightenment, but later commentators misread this line as proof of her sinful condition.

IC , where are you? Please tell me you are just taking a time out with a stack of books, or dancing naked through the forest with moonbeams shining in your eyes.

10/05/2007 11:57:00 AM  
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10/05/2007 12:09:00 PM  
Blogger rapt said...

Shrubba, I tend to agree that the system is Vampiric, and that it may well be by design, although you seem to think that is nigh "impossible," if I get yr drift.

Hey just in the last week or two I've seen quite a lot of speculation around the web in this direction, that Cheney and his warrior gang, corporate consolidation, laws created for suppression & control, are not there from simple human greed & powermongering, simply because that explanation falls way short.

Reading the non-coincidences, the timelines, the utter absence of credible rationale for these power moves, leads one to believe that indeed there is a driving force carefully hidden (in plain sight) right in the crevices among us perhaps. This force is not so unimaginable or impossible; we humans have just been bred and raised for centuries with values & beliefs & "leadership" causing us to ignore it as "not-part-of-our-world."

Now I can't imagine how or when this odd force could be (suddenly?) acknowledged by billions of humans, nor how & when it could be defeated. It is there though, in control up to a point, of its many earthly puppets.

One of the force's weaknesses is that like a psychopath it has no empathy or other-oriented emotion, and seems unable to comprehend this quality in normal humans. This is evident in the general psychopathy seen in its infected earthling puppets and in the ongoing operation of wiping out/starving/poisoning the human population.

Another weakness is that because the force's time frame is so long and drawn out, and its wicked intrusions on our Earth not so intelligently crafted as one might expect (given that these guys are so "advanced"), the people are beginning to figure out their game.

It is a life-or-death of a civilisation and of a planet game, so you'd be foolish not to take it seriously. Even though it is beyond the means of any person to fix this, it is worth paying attention to.

10/05/2007 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Sorry to have caused any worry, Movie Girl, but thanks for your concern. Your guesses are not actually all that far off. I do have an enormous stack of good books (I even wrote my first book review for one of our own the other day--RI gets a credit in the acknowledgments...yes, you're a rockstar, Shrub, but we always knew that.)

And yes, I have also been dancing naked by the silvery light of the moon, but only metaphorically, I'm afraid, as this has been outlawed at least since the Roman incarnation of the Empire cut down the last sacred grove in Gaul.

There are other, more mundane and less pleasant reasons for my absence of late, having to do with my inability to dance or even sit at the computer much, but I'd rather dwell on that other level, since my mind still seems to working as well as it ever has...(?)

So, why are we slinging the ol' epistemological hash again? Did the devil of dualism pull the stake out of its either/or heart, or have we just forgotten what we learned again? (And how many times has that happened?)

Here's my healthy mind tip of the day, since I'm certainly not qualified to offer any suggestions on the other sort of health (I'm checking that VIBE stuff, Mark--thanks!) You're really going to love this one, Movie Girl, as it gives us a very fresh perspective on this how-do-we-know-what-we-know-and-can-it-kill-us? question.

Perspective is (ripeness notwithstanding) everything after all.

You can't very well think yourself out of a strange quantum loop with Newtonian thinking...or more quantum thinking either for that matter: you need some thing completely different, something more inclusive, more expansive that still manages to maintain the old "as above, so below" central truth of existence.

The solution? Amanda Gefter's brilliant, fun-to-read article on the raging, mostly censored (by silence) controversy between the standard, old school uniformity of matter theory and the startling, get-you-very-high Is the universe a fractal? notion that even puts the hologram in its place. (Everywhere and nowhere, of course.)

It's got everything in there--leads to the tree of knowledge and the kernel of gnosis in the agnostic's nutsack...and much more than I have the strength to describe here.

Visuals, even.

Thanks, sorry for the interruption, and carry on, gentlefolk.


Empathy is the "weapon," since it carries the necessary, universal awareness you're talking about. There are no "farang," even if the Cornbelt hasn't yet realized that they are those Burmese monks.)

10/05/2007 01:39:00 PM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing - so is a lot of knowledge. PT Barnum is supposed to have said 'The problem isn't so much what people don't know, it's what they know that isn't true.' And our system of education basically tells us 'You have understood nothing, and have nothing to say, until you can eat this library.' After which you're confronted with a larger library, or a more specialised one, with its attendant group of ghouls at the exit ready to sneer you on your way to the next. It can become a pointless steeplechase with no outcome - and so seekers after truth are led by the nose to perdition, wasting all their energy in fruitless fact-eating which leads to mental bulimia and obsessive analysis. The French have a great phrase for that, describing people who become adept at sodomising house-flies.

I believe that humanity is being confronted with the obligation to attain a new level of functioning which will provide the only way out of the mess we're in. And humanity as we know it will no longer exist - it will either evolve or perish. Personally, and of course I have no objective proof for this whatsoever, I have no doubt that we will evolve, although probably not without great destruction on the material plane. The current system pretty much has the world locked down.

I have little time tonight, but I must say that I'm certain that useful answers will not be found in the creation of new systems or further mental anaysis of existing systems.

The only way I can see is by developing that most undeveloped and decried of all human talents, spirituality. Prayer is food, it's excercise and it's a supremely powerful tool - and has little or nothing to do with organised religion, CoS or any other. I'd say that the more organised the religion is, the less chance anyone has of attaining a spiritual connection by practising it.

We really need to look at the tool part - what can be done with it. That to me is the way out - the rest ,mostly seems to be arguing about the colour of the bars.

I'm working on a post about prayer and when I get it finished, I'll post it - though I may not put it on RI because it seems like something of an imposition, using someone else's space to develop one's personal ideas. I'd really like to communicate to you here, though. RI is one of the better sites on the Web, IMHO.

But I wonder if anyone has noticed that there seems to be a general wave of 'anti-911 troofer' perceptible on quite a few sites right now - plenty of 'CD' recanters and Pentagon ex-doubters whose main point of argument seems to be that 911 troof is 'bullshit'. Not clear why. Lots of active bloggers and active correspondents coming out in support of that wave. And there are also people now involved in the comparative analysis of photo emulsions of the 1960's who think they are - or say they are - seeking the troof about JFK. WHAT?

No time for more now. I like what Belliosto said about peace and the Rock. That is definitely a starting point - it's how and what you do when you get there that will make a difference.

By their fruits shall ye know them.

Best wishes to all

10/05/2007 02:02:00 PM  
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10/05/2007 02:58:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Forgive me if I go over already well worn subjects as I don't know what the groundrules are or where most people stand.


I do hope that this wasn't in response to my complaint about this latest emergence of dualistic thinking in the ongoing debate. (Yes, it is all one big question, really.)

There shouldn't be any ground rules as such, other than that uncommon decency we occasionally achieve. Otherwise, we'd be gate-keeping, wouldn't we?

The reason I found that fractal relativity controversy enlghtening has to do with the implications of the theory, chiefly in the heat death of entropy. The syntropy of real spirituality will overcome these artificial limits & divisions eventually, if not sooner.

You'd have to read it to see what I mean, but basically it goes like this. If we're to establish new categories & methods of perception in order to think our way out of this envelop swirling in the untidy bowl of the Death Spiral, then we need a framework that bypasses Hegel, or at least brings him back into Kant's brand of mystical insight--the vanishing point at which the Spirit of Science was lost. (Or sold, depending on your cynicism.)

This is another link which goes a ways into all this, from that madman Tommy Cichanowski who seems to have exclusive internet rights to Gerry Vassilatos' material. (Another good starting point is at the beginning, of course, if you want to get all linear about it.)

But the fractal thing tells the biggest story I've yet seen.

By all means, please don't let anyone's opinion keep you from expressing yours.

10/05/2007 04:00:00 PM  
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10/05/2007 05:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's my latest article:

10/05/2007 09:26:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Right up RigInt's alley. Seems someone wrote the book finally on the intersections of the Scottish Rite Masonics and NASA--and who knows what else is in it:

New Author Appearances Scheduled

Richard C. Hoagland and Mike Bara will be appearing on "Coast to Coast AM" with George Noory on Tuesday, October 9th beginning in the 11:00 hour Pacific Time. They will be discussing their new book "Dark Mission - The Secret History of NASA" which will be released that same day.

Coast to Coast

Mike Bara will be appearing on "futurequake Radio" in Nashville TN, on October 9th from 8-10 PM Central time. The subject will of course be "Dark Mission." Listen on WRFN 98.9 FM. Live streaming audio may be found at


For most Americans, the word NASA suggests a squeaky-clean image of technological infallibility. Yet the truth is that NASA was born in a lie and has always concealed many truths about its occult origins.

Mystical organizations quietly dominate NASA, carrying out their own secret agendas behind the scenes. This is the story of men at the very fringes of rational thought and conventional wisdom, operating at the highest levels of our country. Their policies are far more aligned with ancient religions and secret mystery schools than the facade of rational science and cool empiricism NASA has successfully promoted to the world for almost fifty years. Dark Mission is proof of the secret history of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and the astonishing, seminal discoveries it has repeatedly suppressed for decades.

Dark Mission took nearly four years to complete and includes over 200 illustrations and NASA images, many in full color. This 550 page book includes close to 200 footnotes and scientific references supporting its shocking conclusions.


Richard C. Hoagland

This is Hoagland's first new book in twenty years, since the release of "the Monuments of Mars, a City on the Edge of Forever" in 1987. Hoagland served as a Curator of Astronomy & Space Science at the Springfield Museum of Science, located at The Quadrangle in Springfield, Massachusetts, and as a science adviser to Walter Cronkite and CBS News during the Apollo program. He has also been a consultant to NASA.

Mike Bara

Mike Bara is an engineering consultant with over 25 years in the field working for major aerospace companies, including Boeing Aircraft. This is his first book.

No, I do not have financial interests in this book. ;-) Only interests in its content.

I thought since I serendipitously found it before the show, I would mention it.

10/05/2007 11:27:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Thanks IC for that fractal universe thing. I'm surprised it didn't get into the electric universe stuff there, which additionally attempts to make more sense of the strand-like patterns of most universal matter which can't be made by gravity, and instead looks like large electrical effects. Perhaps the plasma state of matter throws itself across the universe in fractal patterns.

IC said:

"I'm checking that VIBE stuff, Mark--thanks!"

You're welcome. I went to my first session with a 'ho hum' zero expectation and because my first visit was free I didn't feel financally committed to pretend anything happened.

Though within 30 minutes of leaving, for the next day or so I had a lot of energy. For me, it was like caffeine without the jitters or physically jerky quality or mental imbalance. (So it was not really 'like caffeine' at all. It was closer to a shot of adrenaline, which biochemically, may be exactly what is occurring the way the vibe might connect to that biochemical pathway. See below.)

In my opinion, the whole Vibe thing is a huge whole body 'self-dialysis' machine, without the wires. A helpmate for bodies in trouble, or for bodies already healthy since it is good for it as well.

Though it supposedly doesn't work for everyone, around 90% of the people do notice an energy boost as well as many improved self-healing capacities.

The health implications seem to come, on the one hand, from 'righting' the intercellular dynamics of the body to give your body a chance to heal itself. This is because ATP (the energy for the body to do things) is made at the cell wall. The Vibe 'clears the factory floor' in other words for ATP production by entraining healthy intercellular frequencies known to be associated with healthy bodies, allowing the cells to ocillae at the optimum frequencies for ATP production at that physical site.

(As I was experiencing the effect of the Vibe for the first time several months ago, I did some research about what might be occurring biochemically. I post it verbatim below for what its worth to those interested.)

No one really knows what is going on yet or exactly why it has this effect. Though it is obviously tinkering with the pre-existing pathways of the body.

Based on my own self-observations of its effects, my theory is that in addition to righting the intercelluar frequncies, on the other hand, this innately expands ATP (body energy chemical) production because it is in the cellular wall where ATP is made, and through (presumed) expanded calcium ion supply it ups everything from neurotransmitters to DOPA.

I from my experience and sleuthing of what is happening to metabolism, it may help to eat before you get Vibed, because if I am correct, then the Vibe is better when your body has something to metabolize nutritionally as the true raw materials of the more efficient ATP production effect. Have to have something to metabolize first in other words..

Third, there is a place in the ATP process where 'extra electrons' could jump into in ATP production 'from outside.' Maybe Vibe jumps in there as well. "Free food" from the body. In other words, the Vibe may turn us into 'electrotrophs.' :-) A novel metabolic pathway. (Would make sense for all those claims of Indian yogis drinking only water and 'eating only sunlight' to survive long periods of time in some strange cases no one really explains. If we can be partially 'electrotrophic' that might explain it.

The long term effect might be coming from the body being a water/energy buffer. The fact is that Gene Koonce started with 'vibing water' and 'charging water', and then decided to charge the body's water directly in the same way. He noted a bottled water charge would only last about one day. This may mean that the body becomes a water buffer storing the energy for slow release into the ATP cycle in addition to its other effects.

In other words, lots of issues are interlocking here I can't even begin to fathom. Send this post to your nearest biologist or biochemist. :-)

The only warning I received from the 'practitioner' (who had me sign off on lots of forms to say anything that happened would be my fault!) is the potential for metabolic overload because the body is a delicate self-healing instrument. Tuning it up quickly might lead your body if toxic in some way to be unable to process lots of toxins quickly to purge itself naturally through the kidneys, liver, etc. And that superproductivity might be bad, in other words.

That is why it is suggested to start with very short sessions to guage your own body's effects. I started at around 3 minutes. Since I'm so darn healthy, I had to tone it back in later sessions, because I kept getting headaches--which I never get. Toning it back led them to dissipate though with the same 'vibed' effect as before.

I surmised that I was as tuned up as my body could get. For instance, my first session took about 30 minutes or one hour to notice the effect. Even with shorter sessions, I started to notice the vibe effects within about 5 minutes of a short 2 minute session.

Originally, I felt like I wanted to go out and play tennis non-stop for around 10 hours.

According to some placards posted on the walls of the office of the 'practitioner', there is anecdotal evidence that long term uses even serve as a means to let the body have enough energy to detoxify heavy metal pollution--as well as all the cancer removal anecdotal evidence of course. (Cancer is mostly a runaway healing process, without the body's capacity nutritionally to shut it down. Apricot seeds/almonds/B17 and all that.)

Anyway, here's the turgid email I sent the 'vibe practitioner' after my first session when the effects were very pronounced still 10 hours later.


Hi xxxxx,

I thought you would be interested in hearing about my Vibe machine effects, and what I think might be happening.

I wanted to write it up to remember. I feel like I've taken 20 cups of espresso--without the jitters. Since my expectations were sort of the null value variety, I feel it's hardly a placebo effect.

Actually, I feel my body pushed along by this thing, with my mind dragged along for the ride afterwards, instead of visa versa.

In the past half day I have lots of excess energy (bubbling over in some of the staid things like reading a book I was doing). I felt within about one to two hours really really quite antic though not nervous, just happy. I still feel my eyes tracking things faster this morning. Still want to jump up and down, do little victory screams, move my arms wildly at quiet restaurants, wished I was playing tennis, etc. The body is a delicate instrument. No more 'ear popping' sounds though afterwards I had the sensation that my ears were (for lack of another term) both open to space on both sides of my head or 'missing'. For the first time in a long time I have had a stiff neck that pops, and my shoulders were tight as well within a few hours [THAT never happens], and my upper spine is popping a bit as well. I think that is good. :-) Since I felt my neck popping a bit afterwards, it reminded me of what Gene said in his video about his doctor telling him his neck popping had something to do with him curing himself of arthritis where he related that his doctor told him that bad extraneous calcium nodules were dissipating on Gene's neck and spine. Since from what I know of body chemistry, and calcium (positive ion) precipitating in health and slowing down and precipitating in disease, and from what I know from neurochemistry based on calcium ion channel issues (and others), it seems that a higher bit of (negative millivolt) intracellular energy amplitude kick would innately pull excess calcification back into blood solution--and this has revved thinking and metabolism both, each based on calcium channeled ions?

That's my guesstimation of how neck popping and neurochemistry are related here in the seeming effects---via calcium ions?: Follow.

Calcium.. "is essential for living organisms, particularly in cell physiology, and is the most common metal in many animals." and

"Calcium plays a vital role in the anatomy, physiology and biochemistry of organisms and of the cell, particularly in signal transduction pathways. The skeleton acts as a major mineral storage site for the element [buffered with phosphorus storage as well] and releases Ca2+ ions into the bloodstream under controlled conditions. " [The negative millivolt Vibe machine may up positive calcium ions in intracellular solution in other words, which has a host of cellular metabolism (DNA transcription and healing) and neurotransmitter effects simultaneously].

In eukaryotes [multi celled animals, i.e., us], Ca2+ ions are one of the most widespread second messengers used in signal transduction. They make their entrance into the cytoplasm ***either from outside the cell [where the Vibe machine supposedly works, on the intracellular voltage levels] through the cell membrane via calcium channels (such as Ca-binding proteins), or from some internal calcium storages.

[Ca2+ is the 'general 'go' command']: Ca2+ entering the cell plasma ***causes the specific action of the cell, whatever this action is***: secretory cells release vesicles with their secretion, muscle cells contract, synapses release synaptic vesicles and go into processes of synaptic plasticity, etc.

"Calcium's function in muscle contraction [my stiff neck and shoulders?] was found as early as 1882 by Ringer and led the way for further investigations to reveal its role as a messenger about a century later. ****Because its action is interconnected with cAMP, they are called synarchic messengers.**** Calcium can bind to several different calcium-modulated proteins such as troponin-C (the first one to be identified) or calmodulin. The ions are stored in the sarcoplasmic reticulum of muscle cells."

and there's the energy from this potential pathway as well:

"Cyclic AMP [interconnected as it says above with Ca2+ in solution], Cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP, cyclic AMP or 3'-5'-cyclic adenosine monophosphate) is a molecule that is important in many biological processes; it is derived from adenosine triphosphate (ATP). ****cAMP is a second messenger, used for intracellular signal transduction,**** such as ***[catalyzing and] transferring the effects of hormones like glucagon and adrenaline,**** which cannot get through the cell membrane. Its main purpose is ***the activation of protein kinases***; it is also used to regulate the passage of Ca2+ through ion channels."

"A protein kinase is a kinase enzyme that modifies other proteins by chemically adding phosphate [cell energy spark] groups to them (phosphorylation). This usually results in a functional change of the target protein (substrate) by changing enzyme activity, cellular location, or association with other proteins. Up to 30% of all proteins may be modified by kinase activity, and ***kinases are known to regulate the majority of cellular pathways, especially those involved in signal transduction, the transmission of signals within the cell.*** The human genome contains about 500 protein kinase genes; they constitute about 2% of all eukaryotic genes. The chemical activity of a kinase involves removing a phosphate group from ATP and covalently attaching it to one of three amino acids [of DNA] that have a free hydroxyl group. Most kinases act on both [1] serine and [2] threonine, others act on [3] tyrosine, and a number (dual specificity kinases) act on all three. ***Because protein kinases have profound effects on a cell, their activity is highly regulated. Kinases are turned on or off by phosphorylation*** (sometimes by the kinase itself - cis-phosphorylation/autophosphorylation), by binding of activator proteins or inhibitor proteins, or small molecules, or by controlling their location in the cell relative to their substrates. Disregulated [stopped or low] kinase activity is a frequent cause of disease, particularly cancer, where kinases regulate many aspects that control cell growth, movement and death. " [Bingo!]

From above: "most kinases act on both serine and threonine, others act on tyrosine, and a number (dual specificity kinases) act on all three.:"

1. Serine is important in metabolism in that it participates in the biosynthesis of purines and pyrimidines [THESE TWO ARE WHAT YOUR DNA IS MADE OF, OFF A PHOSPHATE 'ENERGY CHAIN' IN THE MIDDLE, so vibing may up the phosphorated kinases that lead to DNA transcription], cysteine, tryptophan (in bacteria) [if tryptophan in humans---that's where all neurotransmitters come off, so another catalyst], and a large number of other metabolites. When incorporated into the structure of enzymes, serine often plays an important role in their **catalytic function** [as well].

2. Threonine is one of the 20 natural amino acids. Nutritionally, in humans, threonine is an essential amino acid (i.e., body unable to make it). Threonine can become phosphorylated through the action of a threonine kinase. In its phosphorylated form, it can be referred to as phosphothreonine. Foods high in threonine are cottage cheese, poultry, fish, meat, lentils, and sesame seeds. [i.e., more phosphorylated in your body, if you have some.]

3. Tyrosine ***is converted to DOPA*** [i.e, more dopamine in the body] by tyrosine hydroxylase, an enzyme. Levodopa (INN) or L-DOPA (3,4-dihydroxy-L-phenylalanine) is an ***intermediate in dopamine*** biosynthesis. Clinically, levodopa is used in the management of Parkinson's disease. Levodopa is used as a prodrug to increase dopamine levels for the treatment of Parkinson's disease, since it is ***able to cross the blood-brain barrier*** whereas dopamine itself cannot. Once levodopa has entered the central nervous system (CNS), it is metabolized to dopamine by aromatic-L-amino-acid decarboxylase. However, conversion to dopamine also occurs in the peripheral tissues, ....L-DOPA is produced from the amino acid tyrosine by the enzyme tyrosine hydroxylase. ***It is also the precursor molecule for the catecholamine neurotransmitters dopamine and norepinephrine (noradrenaline), and the hormone epinephrine (adrenaline). **** [Dopamine is a chemical naturally produced in the body. In the brain, dopamine functions as a neurotransmitter, activating dopamine receptors. Dopamine is also a neurohormone released by the hypothalamus. Its main function as a hormone is to inhibit the release of prolactin from the anterior lobe of the pituitary. Dopamine can be supplied as a medication that acts on the sympathetic nervous system, producing effects such as increased heart rate and blood pressure. As a member of the ***catecholamine family, dopamine is a precursor to epinephrine (adrenaline)*** and norepinephrine (noradrenaline) in the biosynthetic pathways for these neurotransmitters. Arvid Carlsson won a share of the 2000 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for showing that dopamine is not just a precursor to these, but **a neurotransmitter** as well. Dopamine has many functions in the brain. Most importantly, dopamine is central to the reward system.[2] Dopamine neurons are activated when an unexpected reward is presented. In nature, we learn to repeat behaviors that lead to unexpected rewards. Dopamine is therefore believed by many to provide a teaching signal to parts of the brain responsible for acquiring new motor sequences, i.e., behaviors. In insects, a similar reward system exists, using octopamine, a chemical relative of dopamine. [3]. Movement: ***Dopamine affects the basal ganglia motor loop which in turn affects the way the brain controls our movements.*** ****Shortage of dopamine, particularly the death of dopaminergic neurons in the nigrostriatal pathway, causes Parkinson's disease, in which a person loses the ability to execute smooth, controlled movements.*** The phasic dopaminergic activation seems to be crucial with respect to a lasting internal encoding of motor skills (Beck, 2005) the frontal lobes, dopamine controls the flow of information from other areas of the brain. Dopamine disorders in this region of the brain can cause a decline in neurocognitive functions, especially memory, attention, and problem-solving. Reduced dopamine concentrations in the prefrontal cortex are thought to contribute to attention deficit disorder and some symptoms of schizophrenia. ]Dopamine is the primary neuroendocrine regulator of the secretion of prolactin from the anterior pituitary gland. Dopamine produced by neurons in the arcuate nucleus of the hypothalamus is secreted into the hypothalamo-hypophysial blood vessels of the median eminence, which supply the pituitary gland. The lactotrope cells that produce prolactin, in the absence of dopamine, secrete prolactin continuously; dopamine inhibits this secretion.Prolactin has many effects, the most important of which is to stimulate the mammary glands to produce milk (lactation)....Prolactin is a single chain polypeptide of 199 amino acids with a molecular weight of about 24,000 daltons. ***Its structure is similar to that of growth hormone and placental lactogen.*** [so dopamine regulates the closure of something that is similar chemically to growth hormone, an overdose of which, can of course lead to cancer--so dopamine transcription shuts down runaway growth hormone lack of balance which is cancer, thus, it's pretty good] The molecule is folded due to the activity of three disulfide bonds. Significant heterogeneity of the molecule has been described, thus bioassays and immunoassays can give different results due to differing glycosylation, phosphorylation, sulfation, as well as degradation.]

SO FROM WHAT I GUAGE TO BE HAPPENING: the combined neurological 'up' effects and body perkiness may have something to do with [1] the higher innate admixture of Ca2+ ions 'vibed' back into solution from bones or excess areas, [2] through cAMP, [3] then through more metabolism and creation of protein kinases [4] explicitly connected to the very pyrimidines and purines that make DNA, and [5] creation of epinephrine (adrenaline), [5] and the creation of dopamine. The dopamine may help exhibit cancer remission issues noted in some hearsay studies so far by shutting down or rebalancing runaway growth hormones.

Slept well. Relaxed now though full of energy. It does feel like I've taken adrenaline [two pathways for this enhanced], enzymes, dopamine (stepped up neurotransmitters and general bodily movements 'crisp, quick, and controlled') and a lot else--which perhaps is exactly what has happened chemically... If Gene Koonce is right about water storing energy temporarily where he started with all this, and attempting to replicate it in the body, which I think correct for what it's worth, then the body water may be buffering and moderating and extending this millivolt intracellular biochemical effect, particularly through keeping Ca2+ infrastructure elevated for a while. And when you do that with Ca2+, a whole lot else starts happening. The Vibe machine seems to be a huge intracellular shot of 'free ATP', the body's energy basis to do all this.

The body electric indeed, eh?


10/06/2007 01:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wasn't that angry at all fletcher but I thank you for your advice. We all have a Rock Island and our island can be infringed upon. Does not mean we cannot leave our Rock and find another. True? Our hearts are not a reliable source to guide us. Civilizations before ours relied on what they wanted to feel to be real. What I want does not help me survive this life. I wish my heart was capable of handling life. That my desires were compatible with happiness and functionality. They are not. My heart is sick. But I make the best of it.

This dualism in the skies, the constellations, seem to deal with the concept of dominion. Does anybody agree with this? It's like whose Rock Island is it going to be. Sagittarius's or Scorpio's? The serpent or the man. Ophiuchus is clearly wrestling with the enemy and the enemy wants Corona! Hercules, Perseus, Gemini all are the same male. All the men are the same one being represented in the constellations. The enemy also is the same one written in the heaven. Anyway dualism and dominion?

I think of the sexual when vampirism is thought about. The vampire represents the individual who has had intercourse and the victim has not. As opposed to 2 individuals who never had sexual intercourse. No vampire in the picture then. The victim could get diseased by one who has had intercourse with someone else. But if virginal you bite the neck for the first time. So the vampire bites a person in the neck and the virgin bites back. I can visualize (rarely) 2 vampires biting each other in the neck. Both infecting the other with his sexual experience that is in his blood while sucking it out. The vampire safely bites the neck of the virgin. I believe STDs is one of the major reasons why the mortality rate was so low in age in the ancient days. Promiscuous behavior was never a healthy choice. Illness and death being the known rewards risked.

Fructedor I will be so bold as to say prayer is worthwhile also. That it is not a cop out or for the lame hearted. I believe that I cannot tell my God what to do though. The God of my life.

If you want to see some very funny videos please check them out here on You Tube. Only watch if you want to laugh.

1. glove head blows up
2. 7 Bottle Rockets + 1 Ass
3. Exploding Fireworks...The M-80
4. The Ghoul Lil John on a Rope

10/06/2007 06:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3. Exploding Fireworks... The M-80

10/06/2007 07:13:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

9Ah Fractality...that is indeed the shit.
Heart sickness seems the common thread of our times.
And trying to make sense of the shadows on the cave walls
and laughter
and cracking of our necks...
calcium ions was it?
It saddens me when people put their faith in an obviously man made religion like Scientology
or in Roman Catholocism..
but I understand why most people that do, do.
Animosity towards religion? Yep, i get that saddens me just as deeply.


10/06/2007 07:43:00 AM  
Blogger CuriosityShop said...

Glad to hear from you IC, and that was a great review and the book looks like one I might like to buy!

And thanks for that fractal link.

Have any of you read this article

The Water Bridge

and that vibe machine, and drew's article, well seems all are related.

"Those who have probed the depth of material science as far as modern science can reach, do not deny the fact that the origin of the whole creation is in movement, in other words; in vibration. It is this original state of existence of life which is called in the ancient tradition sound or the word. The first manifestation of this sound is therefore audible, the next manifestation visible. In the forms of expression of life, life has expressed itself first as sound, next as light."

Hazrat Inayat Khan

10/06/2007 09:05:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

You guys ever have the experience where your dreams, your conversations with friends & family, what you’re doing at work, things you read in various formats & sources, etc…all start to bleed together? This is one of those moments. I’m reading Neal Stephenson’s Snow Crash right now and I’m just at the part where the narrator’s explicating the whole Babel/speaking in tongues/Sumerian Singularity meme…the power of the word to make itself manifest...or tear down the existing edifice of knowledge & communication via viral infarction...right exactly when you lot are vibrating on this same frequency we’ve approached so many times in the past.

Until we’re sidetracked and we lose the thread again.

It’s sort of like the increasing frequency of synchronistic events—once they start happening (or maybe it’s once you start noticing that they’re happening), they tend to happen more frequently, as if you’re tuning yourself into some Schumann Resonance wavelength.

A few vibrating threads back, I asked Drew if we could (theoretically, of course) counter the incidental EM pollution (TV, microwave, electrical grid) and the more intentional variety (you know, ELF, HAARP and the less well-known programs) with some kind of “good vibe” broadcast, either in a personal unit or in a larger transmission.

The idea has been around for a long time. Steve Hillage of Gong fame (okay, maybe “fame” isn’t quite the right word) made a record in 1977 called Motivation Radio which was built around this concept, which you can find a fairly lucid description of here, but the actual lyrics are strangely unavailable, or as another reviewer puts it in the Canterbury Bibliography (which doesn’t include Chaucer but could, if they really wanted to connect all the dots):

Hillage, Steve/Miquette Giraudy: The Little Book of Words. Privately issued, no ISBN. (A reprint of a long, long deleted booklet by Steve Hillage and Miquette Giraudy containing the complete song-lyrics of Fish Rising, L and Motivation Radio. 40 page booklet. Can be ordered at Planetgong.)

Except that when you follow that link, you find that the Gonglians are so very, intrinsically spaced that it’s not at all clear where & how one would go about ordering this "hidden" booklet. I have all these records and I can never quite make out what the hell they’re saying, other than the need to counter the “broadcast pollution” with “the golden vibe.” You can get a taste of this at OurTube in a short excerpt from the Gong UnConvention in Amsterdam DisReunion. (Longer excursions into this world are linked in the fold-down menu to the right…)

Anyway, I’m not making any new or connective-tissue point here—just adding fuel to the fire. Nice hearing from you all. Much love, Movie Girl. I'll read that next, Drew. Electric & Fractal universes are perfectly compatible, Mark, as you intuited. Thanks for that detailed account of your VIBE encounter--it sounds perfect for me, except that I've got a frozen shoulder and other long-term immobility issues...the jolt might break me, unless I went about it in slow, gradual stages. It would be so great to be able to use this dead arm again. I haven't built anything but word castles in a long time.

Great, great comment, Brainpanhandler! The "separateness" you find so daunting can be transcended by following the path you're already on. The funny thing is that the "experts" tell you that you only have an either/or choice between dualism and monism and that monism is entirely materialist, that it denies the possibility of spirituality. Typical light switch mentality. Never fear--everything they know is wrong!

10/06/2007 11:46:00 AM  
Blogger the proprietor said...

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10/06/2007 12:21:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...

Jeff - when you go out of your way to slag Alex Jones, it seems to say more about you than about him. Adequacy issues?

Yeah, Jones is pretty much the original info-guerilla -- no sneer quotes needed. Guerilla warfare means fighting in unconventional settings with unconventional weapons and tactics. You get a shot off whenever and wherever you can. I think that until your info-productivity begins to approach Jones', perhaps you'd best lay off on the snarkiness.

-- THe Author aka africkinamerican

10/06/2007 12:25:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...

Also along the same lines, to imply that AJ is "paranoid," or encourages it, is an indication you're not really paying attention. It's not paranoid to ring the fire alarm when you smell smoke. It's not paranoid to realistically assess the problem and cry out to people to combat the problem. If anything, Jones is overly optimistic. As the voice-over before each broadcast booms, Jones believes "The Empire's on the run!" IN his show he sets a tone of bold defiance that is absolutely infectious -- the furthest thing in the world from cringing, paranoid fear.

10/06/2007 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...

Recently, Donegal International spent $3 million for $40 million worth of debt Zambia owed Romania, then sued for $55 million. In February an English court ruled that Zambia had to pay $15 million.

What gives an English court jurisdiction over a dispute between Zambia and Romania? Who's going to enforce the ruling?

Unfortunately, when well-meaning folks shout sing the praises of the "international community" and cry out for more and more bureaucracy as if that will somehow bring utopia, the reality will be more oppression -- by multinational corporations, by international bureaucrats, or both.

Anyway, bank-created "debt" (although nations are named as the lenders, all money ultimately is created by banks out of thin air) is fraud, as is the charging of usury on such debt and the concomitant control by foreign bankers and corporations that indebtedness brings.

10/06/2007 01:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay...let's get serious about the Vibe Machine, can we? can't be serious, can you? I watched the video for about 5 minutes....the whole time thinking Mark can't be serious....but apparently he is, and apparently some of you are naive enough to buy into the hucksterism, just as so many buy into the hucksterism of Alex Jones. If Alex Jones wasn't useful, he'd be dead. Don't be "their" tool by following his lead. Vampires are all about.

10/06/2007 01:37:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...

mark --

Your experience with the "vibe" machine sounds like my experience with juice fasting last year. (I did a jazzed-up juice fast: first three days of mostly-raw veganism, then one day water fast, then three days where I only drank three big tall glasses of freshly made juice -- and throughout, I was also taking a powdered supplement along with about 2,000 mg Ester-C. And sleeping a lot!)

Since that time I've been eating more or less well, but have not yet repeated last year's fast ... I think I'll go buy a bunch of carrots and veggies and do it next week!

Here's my diary of what happened to me during that program (which was prompted b y bout with "flu"):

I'M NOW RECOVERING from what seems to be the flu. It was late last Thursday night that I began to feel the telltale sore throat coming on, though I didn't know just what I was in for. The next day was a day of aches and pains, fever and chills, and above all, sleep. ...

Friday: in between driving my sister's kids to and from school and running errands for her -- which is what I do for a few bucks when I don't have other work -- I gave in and for some reason stopped at a Wendy's along the way for a Double Stack (no cheese) and five Chicken Nuggets. Yeah, pretty dumb for a sick man, or even for a well man. But the rest of the day I was good. I juiced a bunch of juice, probably a good 32 oz., of carrots, salad greens, onion, apple, grapes, strawberries even. They all got thrown into the mix and yielded delicious, sweet, flavorful and living juice the likes of which the storebought juice guys could not offer even in their wettest and juiciest dreams. I also had nuts, raisins, and an orange, and the usual Ester-C that I take every day, now upped to, oh, about 3,000 mg a day. (Not only is Ester-C a better form than the commonly marketed ascorbic acid products; the amount is 60 times the government's useless "Recommended Daily Intake," which figure apparently is calculated to yield absolutely no benefit, and perhaps more to the point, to induce widespread vitamin C deficiency and all the attendant diseases.) ...

Saturday: my diet was more of the same, and I think one boiled egg (from so-called "cage-free," grain-fed chickens for higher omega-3 content, of course!). The aches and pains were over, but the sniffling and sneezing and coughing were fully under way.

Sunday: more juice, and then I nibbled at some of my mom's wild rice and chicken and coleslaw, but then put it away; it all tasted awful. So, I decided to take advantage of my lack of appetite and simply fast.

Again I spent the night curled up before the fireplace, with my brother's dog Max resting his head on my feet, only to wake up waking up later drenched in sweat.

Monday officially began my fast: nothing but chewable Vitamin C, Ester-C and water; not even juice.

Today (Tuesday) so far, I've had two glasses of juice and the usual Ester-C.

I'm feeling lighter and more energetic than I have in a long time. Running up a flight of stairs feels literally like no effort at all: there's no resistance, no burn, no fatigue. I can do a set of forty crunches easily, rather than the usual thirty.

The biggest miracle has been in my voice, in particular my singing. My singing voice, particularly in the higher range, is sounding like solid gold -- even though my chest is still congested and my throat's still froggy and the lower range in which I speak is still hoarse. But my throat still feels better than before I got sick, and my voice is handling 100% better -- no pain or strain -- and simply sounds amazing. ....

The "brain fog" I typically experience is just not there. My thinking and reading comprehension are quicker than ever. (I had been getting frustrated of late, because I was beginning to feel that I wasn't absorbing anything I was reading unless I slowed down or re-read it: for a lifelong fast reader, this is a real pain.)

I've taken absolutely no prescription or over-the-counter remedies. It's been all about listening to Hippocrates, who said, "Let thy food be thy medicine, and thy medicine thy food."

A couple days later I wrote:


The chronic tightness/pain I used to feel in my neck and shoulders: gone.

Chronic muscle tension I used to get elsewhere: gone.

Aches and pains in my legs, hips, and knees when walking or running: gone.

Chronic low back pain -- which had me worried that my kidneys were going out: gone.

Longtime bloated feeling in my chest, which had also had me worried: gone.

Skin: Tone much smoother, glowing with color. Feels more sensitive to the touch. My sweat smells either neutral or has a slight spicy hint of apple and, since I'm putting pieces of onion into my juice, a tiny trace of onion.

Voice: stronger, sounds better, louder and more resonant; easier to produce; accurate and unwavering pitch, perfect control. No pain, no strain -- which for years had plagued me. The strange tightness and the sensation of a lump which had usually been present in my throat: gone.

All over: I feel so much lighter and more flexible. Well, I am literally lighter; I've lost probably about seven pounds, going by my last weigh-in about a year ago. I'm not what anyone would call "fat" by any means, though I had developed a bit of a spare tire which has reduced itself.

But aside from weight, my entire body feels different. It's as if the entire structure has been adjusted. My muscles perform their duties more easily, smoothly, fluidly, and powerfully. My feet feel different when I walk on them: they're a lot springier -- which makes a great difference when you're walking or running, particularly up stairs -- and they're hitting the ground differently from before. I pay great attention to these things.

And get this: my back both feels and looks straighter. Believe me, I know this. My poor posture and "scoliosis" and my attempts to "stand up straight" had been a source of constant frustration and discomfort for me, and it seemed that in recent years the problem had only grown worse. But a look in the mirror today showed that my back looked straighter than I had ever seen it before, without even trying to hold it straight.

And, being that problems with your feet supposedly can throw off the balance of your entire skeletal system, it's no wonder that all these things are happening simultaneously.

My brother thinks these things are happening due to eliminating toxins, and more importantly, correcting longtime deficiencies in minerals such as magnesium and potassium, which are important for muscle function. Magnesium, in particular, is lacking in nearly everyone eating the SAD, or Standard American Diet. It is necessary for muscles to relax. Which might explain why I had accumulated such tension throughout my body, which had apparently pulled muscles, tendons, ligaments, and bones out of place and precluded efficient movement. And why this period of rest and juice fasting has made such a dramatic difference in how my body feels and operates. I've been bathing my body in long-withheld nutrition while eliminating the usual toxic load and the work of digestion. And I've been giving my body the rest it needs to heal and repair itself.

A lot of people think exercise is a terrible chore. And, for most people it is, because their bodies are in an awful state due to their diets. They simply don't have the energy to sustain exercise. Thus they have to employ amazing feats of willpower to force themselves to exercise. Most people don't have that kind of willpower. However, when your body is this alive with energy you feel propelled to exercise. It's as natural as the night following the day. Push-ups normally feel oppressive and difficult for me. Of late, even 25, push-ups (which back in junior high school, I used to do with comparative ease), has felt impossible -- like I was lifting dead weight -- and I'm by no means a heavy guy! But it felt like my upper body was literally useless. However, since I've been fasting, the push-ups are much easier. The muscles -- and perhaps the blood supply and nerves serving them -- are just overall working more efficiently.

It goes to show you how slowly and gradually health problems and dis-ease can creep up on you. Not that I personally hadn't noticed these things, since I'm concerned about health and in touch with my body, constantly monitoring what's going on, how I respond to certain foods, etc. I live in my body. But most folks don't seem to be home most of the time. Most aren't nearly as observant about what's happening in their bodies, and even when they do notice symptoms of dis-ease, they follow medical and commercial training and ignore the aches and pains or attempt to cover them up with over-the-counter and prescription drugs.

But like I said, I noticed these things. And the fact is that for a young guy of not quite 32, I had begun gradually to feel more and more like an old man. The main reason was my inadequate diet: not that it was as full of junk and sugar as the typical American diet, but it was simply lacking in the amounts of fresh fruits and vegetables and the extra nutrition that we need nowadays to combat the staggering array of negatives associated with modern life. And maybe I've got some special health challenges -- toxicity or infection -- that make such cleansing or nutrition especially imperative.

I think back to several years ago, when I was regularly taking the Reliv supplements, and especially when I did my two-week raw-food -and-Reliv experiment, back in, I think, December of '99. It was an amazing feeling -- much like what I'm feeling right now.

By the way, the day I first began to experience these changes, yesterday, was preceded by a half-moon the night before. That sign has an interesting significance to me which perhaps I'll explain in a future post. I remember that as I accompanied my sister and her kids home from the library, I looked up at that beautiful half-moon nestled in the sky amongst the stars, and silently glorified the One who created it all. And I thought how disturbingly dull and unobservant were the other three humans around me, whom I have never, ever, seen to look up at the night sky as they get out of their wheeled metal box and walk into whatever manmade edifice they're going to. How can you ignore such a beautiful night sky? How can it not be the first thing you see when you exit your car or your house? How can you not be utterly transfixed?

But I looked up at that half-moon and found it somehow special. Like a promise.

By the way, I am "young" (33), but that is not synonymous with healthy. I've always been the sickly one, literally from birth (and likely, before birth). In addition to having been a vaccine pin-cushion, like the typical American child, I was given all sorts of other drugs for various problems at a very early age. I figure I probably started life with no intestinal flora -- which would explain my descent over the years into one allergy/autoimmune disorder after another.

Plus, I always wanted to sing, but my voice doesn't work except when I'm eating an exceptionally high-quality diet. (Food allergies, sensitivities, phlegm and inflammation galore: the only thing that holds it at bay is an anti-inflammatory diet such as the above.) So all this health stuff has real meaning and urgency for me.

10/06/2007 02:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So all this health stuff has real meaning and urgency for me.

Of course it does...and that's the hook for "them" who would take advantage of your desperation. I'm not suggesting that one shouldn't adapt and try new approaches, but what I am saying is that one must proceed with caution when doing so. Just as there are hucksters trying to sell you the latest health cure and are leveraging your angst and hope, so too, there are hucksters leveraging your politic, social and economic discontent for their own twisted and personal gain. Maybe just to keep you wrapped up and contained in a vicious, repetitive cycle of conspiracy and subterfuge so you won't ever break free of the spheres, if breaking free is even possible.

10/06/2007 03:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please read what Sunny wrote in the Fire Pit Thread on the Forum. I share her sentiments, completely, and I couldn't have said it better, myself. I would add one thing, though. The U.S. is as guilty as Israel, and should be held equally to account. Afterall, it is, and has been, Israel's benefactor, just as it was the benefactor of the Nazi Party. Exceptionalism is transparent and hypocritical. This is where you will trip up the Anti-Semites who hide behind the Anti-Zionism curtain. They will claim that the Zionists have taken over the U.S. Government and taken advantage of the good nature of Americans, politicians and citizens alike. What's ironic about that assertion is that you have no choice but to eschew American Exceptionalism then, but for the wrong reason. If you believed that the United States Government was taken over by Zionist Forces then you, by logic, cannot condone its behavior in regards to Israel, or anything it does, for that matter.

10/06/2007 04:08:00 PM  
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10/06/2007 04:29:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Thing is, Shrub, that while any "miracle cure" smacks of hucksterism, much of that reaction to the unconventional is the result of the propaganda of the medical establishment. Just because you see snake oil salesmen peddling orgone accumulators all over the Net, this doesn't necessarily mean that Reich wasn't on to something or that he wasn't squashed in the classic FDA/AMA inquisition.

Just as renewable energy cannot be tolerated or in any way assimilated by a market-based system, since supply cannot be controlled (manipulated in plainer English), the health industry cannot accomodate cures at all (no return business/mass profits there); instead, they concentrate on treating symptoms. More cynical minds would even go so far as to suggest that they even spread disease to create "demand" for their services. Either way, there's a whole lot of money seeping into that pit.

Energy, pharma, insurance & banking are the pillars of the modern empire.

If you consider the alternatives to the current medical paradigm, many will appear to be flaky as hell, and there's no denying that sharks cruise those waters. On the other hand, if you look at stuff like those Rife/Lost Science links I put out there above, there was definitely something going on before the authorities stepped in. Perhaps especially telling is the "no further information is available" signs they hung on Rife's door after word of his cancer cure success rate began to spread--not very impartial or "scientific" is it?

In my own experience, I've been diagnosed with "some variant of MS," "inexplicable neurological anomalies" (TENS units, EMGs and other electricity-based treatment/diagnostic equipment don't "behave properly" with me) as well as more typical musculoskeletal problems, and where it all falls apart is in their inability to understand how these multiple system failures work together. Like the rest of Western science, medicine is still mechanistic--the "parts" of the body sort of hang together in ways in which they not only do not understand but in which they're not even terribly interested in exapanding their understanding, since this would involve crossing disciplinary lines (go ahead & call them fiefdoms) and finding cures, not just treatments.
Where would the bottom line be?

If you think this is just my radicalism talking here, go ask a doctor who's honest enough to give you a straight answer. These are all things I've found through painful personal experience, not through some conspiracy filter, although if you want to go that route, that first chapter of Lost Science describes the classic smear campaign carried out by the Establishment on Anton Mesmer, who did not hypnotize his patients. It was his theories of vitalism which threatened them, just like the morphogenesis crowd scared them in Goethe's time, in the 1920s and now again in the writings of Mr. Sheldrake. (That stream also ties into the Fractal Universe link if you look into the Scale Relativity page, interestingly enough.)

Another, very different approach is the invasion/eviction model of health that my buddy Dave West of hemp fame talks about on his Grapefruit Seed Extract page. (Can't find that link at the moment, but I'll did it up when I get back home.)

My point here is that there are indeed many ways to skin cats or deal with health, and this truth is not exactly embraced by any of our orthodoxies.

No, I'm not just being polite toward Koonce, Brainpanhandler--I just haven't watched the video yet, coming at it from the other angle as I am. But again, even if he is a quack, this doesn't mean that the idea is quackery or that the AMA and their S&M friends in the pharma industry are any less quackish.

It's in those devilish details & distinctions, as our friend surrender reminded us recently, that bits & pieces of the truth shine through.

10/06/2007 05:24:00 PM  
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10/06/2007 07:18:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...

I haven't watched the video either, but if the "vibe machine" is a Rife machine, I absolutely believe in the theory behind it. In fact, I have been thinking of going onto Craigslist or something and inquiring if there were any local Rifers willing to share a machine. "Rife parties," anyone?

Rife defintely was way before his time. Or -- he was exactly in time, but the PTB just managed to roll back the clock on us. Rife managed to build a microscope to view living tissue what -- 30, 40 years ago? -- and the University of Chicago is just now getting around to duplicating his task.

10/06/2007 07:26:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...

Funny how in the U of C link, the scientists are talking about "cells vibrating at different frequencies." Quackery? Apparently not when it's patented and owned by the Rockefeller Medi$in Men.

10/06/2007 07:32:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...

Brainpan said:

The difference today is the rate at which our knowledge is changing and that medicine has been consumed by the never satiated corporate colossus. To account for the former there is an ever increasing trend toward specialization and compartmentalization. Crap… pretty soon there will be pancreas specialists, big toe specialists.

Ha ha! Sounds familiar. I have speculated (in an article I wrote for a health newsletter, as yet unpublished) that soon we'll have pinkie specialists and pharmaceutical ads for "pinkie-itis"! That's the direction it's all going: carving up the human body into ever-smaller specialties and sub-subspecialties. Everyone who's in on the racket gets his piece of "territory." None of us will get our health.

10/06/2007 07:37:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...

I realize that in criticizing Jeff's snarkiness about Alex Jones et al., I assumed quite a snarky tone myself. I didn't mean to, and that is perhaps less than productive. But sheesh, even a saint such as myself just gets irritated sometimes. Hating on Alex Jones and other people just doing the best they can with what they've been given -- it is so useless, so less than productive. If you've anything better to offer, then by all means do so. Until then, folks like Alex Jones are the ones who are spreading awareness of what's wrong out there. Blanket dismissals such as "they're all Jew-haters" or "they're paranoid crazies" just don't cut it. When you start making such pontifications, you need to either put up or shut up. That's my opinion.

10/06/2007 07:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Author... This is not a game like playing the dozens. When this is the case then we know that it is just for attention. In the Bohemian Grove video the cameras are conveniently off every time he is approached by security. So we have to hold his word as golden to be reassured that indeed he had another run in with the security forces without any video proof.

Maybe you need to go out of your way and befriend Alex. Hang out with him when the cameras and microphones are not on. You will probably be looking into the eyes of a megalomaniac. He talks a big game and a lot of what he has exposed many people already knew. So it is Jones said this and Jones said that and he garners all this attention to himself. He goes so far as to accuse common regular Joes as being shills and servants of the NWO! He is directly quoted as saying you are a servant of the NWO punk! What? Do I have Rothschild blood in me all of a sudden? Most people do not serve the NWO but known billionaires do. And because Alex says it you are a punk servant of the global management system. Yeah three cheers for Alex when he makes fun of common men in spite of their masculinity.

Think about what you would think if you witnessed a grown man shouting at the TOP of his lungs about the NWO and how they have to be stopped. He offers only broad solutions. Many organizations have reached out to him in hopes he might assist them but he is not the one to help. He is not helpful when you talk solutions. Only problems is Jones' cup of tea. Where there maybe a solution Jones is no where to be found because he does not care about solutions. He only overemphasizes the problems over and again. This has gotten him a lot of money and business contacts not to mention political contacts.

Believe me I know what I am talking about. Why did he say on his radio show in 2000 that Bush was the better choice as president over Gore? Did he vote for Bush out of ignorance? Nope it was out of business and that is what he is a businessman just like any capitalist from Texas. He is only and I mean only interested in the glory, power, and the money. His fans are addicted to him like a person is addicted to cocaine. I bet that many of his fans could not stop listening to or reading Alex Jones stuff for a year. Just like in the movie Magic with Anthony Hopkins and Ann Margaret many of them grab on to the dummy as Burgess Meridith looks on and says, "You're sick kid. You need help." Of course the dummy convinces Hopkins to kill him. Sound familiar?

10/06/2007 08:01:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...

Shrub says:

Exceptionalism is transparent and hypocritical.

Exactly. What about Israeli/Jewish exceptionalism? That's the exception, right? :)

This is where you will trip up the Anti-Semites who hide behind the Anti-Zionism curtain. They will claim that the Zionists have taken over the U.S. Government and taken advantage of the good nature of Americans, politicians and citizens alike.

I suggest you check out Walt and Mearsheimer, who abundantly make that case. They're not the first to do so. What does it matter anyway? Would proving conclusively that the U.S. wags Israel somehow in some bizarre way make you happy? That any foreign lobby controls any other should make you equally angry. I don't give a flying ____ whether it's the Israelis or it's the Hutus. No foreign lobby should exert more influence in Washington than Americans do. No group of people is elevated above any other. No group is beyond scrutiny, questioning or criticism. Period. Paragraph.

The misuse of the nonsense term "anti-semitism" as a magical shield from critical thought and speech, or as a smoke bomb to confuse issues, is, to steal another author's words, beyond chutzpah. The irony is that whatever story you believe about the direction of the power relationship between Israel and the U.S., you become a tool of the forces lying behind that when you copy them in their misuse of that term.

10/06/2007 08:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's some more added to my article based on replies over at

10/06/2007 09:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


You have to be careful with IC. He will disrespectfully use you as a foil to make his points, and in the process twist and misrepresent both what you say, and your intent.

When I say proceed with caution, surely you must know I mean proceed with caution for conventional remedies, as well. How could I subscribe to this site and not mean that? Seriously? IC knows that, Brainpanhandler, yet he continues to pretend I'm something I'm not. Why would someone who appears so open minded as IC, project so much? I just don't get that.

For the record, and I consider it insulting and degrading I have to spell this out for the prejudiced here, I consider modern medicine to be as rife (pun intended) with Hucksterism as non-conventional medicine.

Jesus Christ!! It's like driving in reverse around here...where you think it would be the opposite by the very nature of the subject matter.

10/06/2007 09:56:00 PM  
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10/06/2007 10:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sunny will appreciate this...since it hits close to home.

A wonderful man died in Mobile, Al. this week...or was he so wonderful?

Mitchell will be missed
Saturday, October 06, 2007

My sense is that Bubba Mitchell would be embarrassed by what has taken place in the last week since his death and would admonish me in a way that only he could if he knew there was still one more tribute written about his extraordinary life.

Bubba would look at me with a sincere smile and then say: "Enough already!"

However, this is one time I'll have to go against the wishes of this great man, whose life inspired so many, and whose lasting gifts of generosity will affect people for generations to come and will save many lives in the process (Mitchell Cancer Institute).

This column is not about the countless heads of state he knew on a first-name person. That's been well documented.

But I do think the family of Mayer Mitchell, who died last week at the age of 74, may have set a new standard. They may be the only family to receive a personal condolence call from a sitting (George W. Bush) and past president (George H.W. Bush), the Prime Minister of Israel (Ehud Olmert) and a former one (Benjamin Netanyahu), as well as a phone call from former Alabama coach Gene Stallings and flowers from the current head football coach at Millsaps College, Mike DuBose.

That, my friends, is truly going from A-Z.

Bear Bryant once said upon meeting Mayer Mitchell: "Where have you been hiding this man? I like talking to him, he's got sense."

The two became friends, with Bryant occasionally calling upon him for advice, including once having Mitchell help the university purchase a private plane.

I'll never forget the first time I met Bubba and Arlene Mitchell. It was in Birmingham in 1986 at a small brunch right before the Iron Bowl. Arlene was visibly shaken, and someone in the small, intimate gathering asked her what was wrong.............

It goes on, but you get the point.

Here's a link to the article.

It not only hits close to home for Sunny, but it does for me, as well. My in-laws knew this man well and speak of him as though he were a Saint. I thought he was a pompous ass, but I only knew him from afar. Whether I knew him, or not, doesn't matter. The fact that his family received personal condolences from Bush Senior, Junior, Ehud Olmert and Benjamin Netanyahu tells me he was a fascist creep.

FYI, he was wealthy beyond imagination, which is, of course, why so many high profile individuals speak highly of know, deep pockets, and all.

10/06/2007 10:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Check out Magnetic Man!!

10/06/2007 11:23:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Just catching up to the tail of the tale and it immediately reminded me of one of Nietizhe's more famous quotes..."One should only read the mail once every 7 days and then take a bath"...apologies for the misquotions..

Shrub..Just to be on the safe side, I agree with your pov. But...I do have the magic bullet and I feel the need to share.

You have heard the cliche separating the wheat from the chaff? What to do with the chaff? Apparently there is some value in it. Only the chaff I'm recommending is called oat straw tea. The vibe machine is the short wavelength vibration and the oat straw tea is the ELF of vibrations. In fact, vibration doesn't quite describe the effect. Undulating would be a better descriptor.
the author... I particularily like your approach and recommend that you do a cleansing diet of oat straw tea. More information in the vegan files of "Survival into the 21st Century' is on the net. Be forewarned that one pot of tea sets up a bodily reaction that will shake your intestines right down to your boots. This cleansing on one pot of tea will last 3 days and 3 nights. The result will be a black stool so dense that it cannot be flushed down the toilet. All those shiny bits are the toxic metals that have accumulated from all those vaccines they told you were good for you and various other urban environmental effects that never leave your body until you ask nice.

IC.. Oat straw tea is a once in a lifetime thing. The three nights are horrible. Part of the treatment is being wrapped in mummy cloth that has been soaked in water. The fever that this sets up will stain the cloth purple as the toxins are driven out of your bodyby the extreme heat of fever. I did the treatment when I was 30 and wouldn't do it again. It's scary.

How could I not address the issue of Jones and NWO when the warp and the waft of this thread is the straw man after all.

Mark..All the medicine you will ever need is in your body. If you can extract the effects of chemtrails, smog, work etc. from your temple, your near lobotomy fascination won't be required.

10/06/2007 11:50:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

You have to be careful with IC. He will disrespectfully use you as a foil to make his points, and in the process twist and misrepresent both what you say, and your intent.


What up, Dude?!

Them thar is fightin' words...which I just don't get at all. You did this a few threads back, too, accusing me of all manner of dishonesty and "misrepresenting," etc, until I pointed out the fact that I was agreeing with you.


I didn't mean to say that you believed that mainstream medicine was not ethically challenged...and I didn't.

Nor do I need to twist anyone's words around to make my own points--that would be dishonest, confrontational & aggressive, which is not exactly my style. Why are you so hostile towards me these days, Mr. Shrub? It's not like we haven't both been writing here & talking to each other for a long time now...Or have you suddenly figured out my game, how I "disrespectfully use" people for my nefarious purposes? Do you really believe that I do such things? You know, it is just possible that people can respond to what others write without accusing them of harboring positions which you then go on to attack.

Tell you what: I'll simplify things for you. When I'm going to say what I think that you said, I'll say: "This is what I think Shrub said..." since you're apparently having some difficulty differentiating here.

Or was it my joke upfield about you being a rockstar now? Did you think I meant that as some sort of insult?

Well, whatever; I'm perfectly baffled.

(Btw, I'm going to respond to something that someone said now--see if you can spot the difference between having a conversation and fighting an argument. If it helps any, I promise to surrender in the future if you ever feel under attack; I really will try to be more sensitive to your feelings...)

Can it really be true that a technology exists which can cure many or all diseases and that this technology is being deliberately withheld and repressed for the purpose of profits? Maybe. Certainly such a technology would not help the bottom line.

THIS is where I get hung up… I have been wrestling like hell trying not to see the sheer cruelty of the PTB in the world you imagine IC. I have to begin straying into a headspace that contains EVIL. How else to phrase it? Very bad people for whom it must be the case that the mass of humanity are considered expendable. Can this really be true? I know, the evidence is everywhere, but still…

If there were no wars, or famine, or disease someone would have to invent them or the world would soon be overrun with domesticated primates. Maybe that’s just what “they” do.


Look at it this way: your mind balking at the idea that some people could be so cruel as to cause needless suffering merely to ensure their continued wealth & power is the result of a new sensibility, an awareness of and empathy for the suffering of others. The insensitivity of those of hold the whip is what you can’t accept because it’s just so predatory, so unfeeling…so un-human. And yet, it’s the way things have been for a very, very long time.

Tolstoy stopped writing fiction for 20 years because he felt it was so trivial in the face of human suffering. He empathized so strongly with the plight of the serfs in his own country and the dispossessed everywhere that he dedicated his life to ending that suffering. Finally, convinced that the only way he could really bring about the change that he knew in his bones was so long overdue, he picked up his pen again and wrote Resurrection, a book that his modern critics find “inferior” to War & Peace and Anna Karenina.

Tolstoy himself even acknowledged that the book was flawed because he could not contain his emotions, and yet, if you pick up that book today, you’ll see that it’s one of the most moving novels ever written, even if it is a scarcely concealed indictment of the inhumanity of the powerful toward their less fortunate brothers. Some historians claim that the emancipation of the serfs would not have happened without Tolstoy’s eloquent empathy.

Marx wrote that all history is the story of class struggle, but we can define it even further now: it’s the story of the manipulation of scarcity.

Religion, the type of governance (as seen in the 20th century’s savage struggle between the Red and the Black) and all the other purported excuses for large scale barbarism are really nothing more than Swift’s brilliant Big-Ender/Little-Ender exposé. Sure, the average guy might be afraid of being excommunicated or black-listed, but these are just the modern, institutionalized forms of the ancient practice of shunning.

You want to eat? You play ball, you toe the party line, you open your egg on whichever side your divinely ordained or democratically elected leader tells you is the correct side. This is the dirty little secret of the glorious agricultural revolution: the advent of surplus just happens to coincide with the institutionalization of scarcity. The still dirtier secret is our complicity with this swindle.

It’s not just the Robber Barons who profit from slavery, child labor, colonialism, and neoliberal globalism—it’s every single one of us who work for the Man and dissent from the couch, arguing whether Ron Paul or the Greens have the “best plan” for implementing social justice. It’s not enough to point the finger at the Corpocracy that decides which “candidates” can run for office and which also happens to make public policy behind closed doors while the actors stumble through their lines in the cheap theater we call politics.

It’s like David Schaller says in Beyond Sustainability: From Scarcity to Abundance

When we admit to scarcity, we create economic and social and political conditions that allow some to have and many to go without. And when many go without, we create a damaged and sad - not to mention dangerous - world. Solutions grounded in the premise of scarcity will never result in sustainability.

When our leaders (and their "opposition," the eco-fascists) tell us there just isn’t enough to go around, that poor folks just breed like rats anyway, that the Union will fall without slavery (oh wait, wrong century—now it’s “wages determined by the free market”), that jobs & wealth need to be created and that the strong will just naturally come out a little bit ahead of those without their “talents,” and we go along with it, unable to see it for the biggest swindle ever perpetrated by the Owners and perpetuated by their lackeys, that we enable “Evil” to flourish.

Corporations that knowingly endanger public health? Governments that wage wars for the benefit of their sponsors? Scientists that whore their asses to the highest bidder?

These things are not new or shocking—it’s your disgust that such things are even possible that is the new (and hopeful!) development. The growing awareness that there is no justification for the conspicuous wealth & power of any one group or nation at the expense of another is what makes these hard realities suddenly hard to bear. What’s really going to get the ball (if not heads) rolling is when it dawns on us that the answer isn’t austerity or poverty for everyone but real “wealth” and security for everyone—the deepest secret covered by the biggest pile of organic fertilizer on the planet.

Humanity’s seemingly intractable resistance to the idea of abundance is because scarcity has been the human reality for so long that the zero-sum-game is virtually cemented into human consciousness. ~~R. Buckminster Fuller

What we should continue to do in venues like this one is to examine what else might be virtually cemented into human consciousness--I bet it's a whole long list of things that ain't quite right.

10/07/2007 12:13:00 AM  
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10/07/2007 06:37:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

said above:

Is it Koonce? What a crackpot. Does he take us for idiots? 30 years in electronics, by his own admission no medical knowledge whatsoever,

You would have to know 100 years of electromedicine repression in the world before you get that way. Besides, the people he learned from and applied ideas from did do medical tests and they were medical doctors experimenting with electrical stimuli healing techniques.

The K applied several generations of knowledge in one machine, that's all.

It's about time it was applied, by Koonce or someone else, I don't care, though it's about time it was applied what has been learned.

To Shrub, watch more than five minutes (or do some book reading on the people mentioned) before being a (self-)hanging judge. The video is an introduction for the lazy. Follow the names mentioned (and their drastically cut short careers in medicine or sometimes mysterious deaths) if you really want details. Or read the medical papers at the website. Or read some books about electromedicine history here or here---medical lists I have assembled at

said above:

"THIS is where I get hung up… I have been wrestling like hell trying not to see the sheer cruelty of the PTB in the world you imagine [sic] IC. I have to begin straying into a headspace that contains EVIL. How else to phrase it? Very bad people for whom it must be the case that the mass of humanity are considered expendable. Can this really be true? I know, the evidence is everywhere, but still…

Why get hung up on the issue that there are parasitical people out to really do you in? It's not like everyone is, so why turn it into a general philsophical position about general human nature? Lots of people are wired very differently. For sociopaths, estimated I think around 1 out of 25 in this book.

"Indeed, just because Koonce is a quack ...

I don't know him personally so I won't defend him. However, I certainly won't lambaste him without knowing him which several feel comfortable doing. Rigorous Intuition down the drain once more... Though I do know a bit from many different testimonials about the machine that I have read and collated the effects from, and I know a bit more about biochemistry and the history of electromedicine applications. There's nothing strange about what Koonce's machine is doing or his claims in my opinion. What is strange is what everyone should be asking themselves: why don't more know about this already?

I do know someone who does know him personally. And quack is the last way they describe him. A 'quack' might be defined as someone who makes huge claims without evidence, or does mass advertising campaigns to convince people, or makes little side deals to throw in something extra to make a sale. The K doen't do anything of the sort.

First, he mentions honestly and openly that much of the evidence is what is called anecdotal. This is because the machine is relatively new. Therefore he has given machines to be tested by everyone from the Health Ministries of Ottawa to various U.S. universities and even the U.S. Army. Some of these publications are being assembled at the website for the machine.

All the K did is to apply everything learned about elctromedicine by medical doctors over several generations (that was not applied by the allopathic drug-addicted symptoms-masking establishment). Then the K put it in one package.

Second, most of his sales have been through word of mouth and not very extensive so far.

Besides, medical doctors in the USA aren't going to save you. They ARE going to kill you. Data for that:

Sort of like nuclear medicine quacks talking about nuclear treatment for cancer. Those are the quacks. The data has never been done on nuclear 'medicine' effectiveness. It's just 'offered' as treatment. Nuclear medicine started up by an American military WWII officer who noticed nuclear poisioning killed off the white blood cells of his troops. Then he cashed in and bought a uranium mine AND ONLY AFTERWARDS started to sell nuclear medicine, not before he did his tests. Kid you not. He's the American military quack who had something to sell--right out of Sloan Kettering quack clinic homebase. When there is a lot of money to be made on quackery, it suddenly becomes the establishment.

The whole USA medical system kills more people annually than any other cause of death (article and several books mentioned there) so you might easily consider American medicine for 100 years as so much organized and consolidated quackery. Consolidated by the Rockfeller family wealth actually. (cite: Rockefeller Medicine Men).

And since it protects itself from change and competition or denies choice to the consumers, it can be called more than quackery and starts to look like organized crime and systemic medical malpractice pretending it is medical care.

Adapting a famous phrase about treason: "why doeth medical quackery prosper? Because when quackery prospers, it's not called quackery (anymore, it's called investment.)." Apply that to the highly lucrative 'health care' system in the USA.

What is 'health care''s money draw? Isn't it around 15% of U.S. GNP or something ridiculous like that? The U.S. has some of the most expensive medicine regime in the world without the demographics of success to show it is doing anything except making a small number of investors rich and a lot of people sick.

There are so many choices out there, though use your brain to rationally evaluating things.

Many things are easier to make legal than healthy, just as many healthy things might be made illegal because they challenge wealth creation by already established groups.

Most of the world has been water fluoridated for half a century without evidence it is anything except quackery straight from the Manhattan Project and Atomic Energy Commission though "when quackery prospers, it's not called quackery anymore. It's called 'national security.'"

(<---That article link above was once to be published in the Christian Science Monitor, though the editor had it killed it right before publication despite not having any problems with the facts. Then the team of investigative reporters couldn't get it published anywhere else either. It went on to be one of Project Censored top censored U.S. news stories of the late 1990s.)

The first sheep to the slaughter are the one's more afraid to step off the production line.

said above:

"BTW… your hope that there is some sort of help for your condition out side of western medicine (since that has seemingly failed you) and the effect that has on how you perceive devices like the vibe machine is not lost on me.

Well, I tried it. And I was healthy . Therefore, I didn't have a psychological beef to pretend or hope it worked out well. Actually, I was thinking nothing would happen. That's what an experimental mind does right?

Or are you the kind who makes up your mind before doing anything?

By the way when polled, what did medical doctors say, on whether they would choose nuclear medicine for a cancer treatment or 'alternative' (i.e., non-allopathic ) medicines? The majority hands down said 'alternative' all the way, and basically 'get nuclear medicine away from me, I've seen what it does to my patients, etc.' Though do they still sell it as a treatment? Of course they do! If they don't they'll lose their job and have. (in book Health Wars, linked above as well, a nice summary of medical literature doctors don't like being known, by British investigative journalist Philip Day).

10/07/2007 08:02:00 AM  
Blogger CuriosityShop said...

Geez but it seems I have the uncanny knack of barging in here right after all the arguments when everyone is standing around, arms folded across chests, foot tapping.... so there!

Well, I am a magical thinking, woo woo kind of girl, and the first article that came on my Sunday morning reading venue was this....
Cancer Cures
Royal Rife - Discovering a Cure for Cancer
Can Be Dangerous to Your Health
Royal Raymond Rife
Jeff Rense
Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research--that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria. Indeed, it is a discovery that would end the pain and suffering of countless millions and change life on Earth forever. Certainly, the medical world would rush to embrace you with every imaginable accolade and financial reward imaginable. You would think so, wouldn't you?
Unfortunately, arguably the greatest medical genius in all recorded history suffered a fate literally the opposite of the foregoing logical scenario. In fact, the history of medicine is replete with stories of genius betrayed by backward thought and jealously, but most pathetically, by greed and money.
Nevertheless, many scientists and doctors have since confirmed Rife's discovery of the cancer virus and its pleomorphic nature, using darkfield techniques, the Naessens microscope, and laboratory experiments. Rife also worked with the top scientists and doctors of his day who also confirmed or endorsed various areas of his work. They included: E.C. Rosenow, Sr. (longtime Chief of Bacteriology, Mayo Clinic); Arthur Kendall (Director, Northwestern Medical School); Dr. George Dock (internationally-renowned); Alvin Foord (famous pathologist); Rufus Klein-Schmidt (President of USC); R.T. Hamer (Superintendent, Paradise Valley Sanitarium; Dr. Milbank Johnson (Director of the Southern California AMA); Whalen Morrison (Chief Surgeon, Santa Fe Railway); George Fischer (Childrens Hospital, N.Y.); Edward Kopps (Metabolic Clinic, La Jolla); Karl Meyer (Hooper Foundation, S.F.); M. Zite (Chicago University); and many others.
Rife ignored the debate, preferring to concentrate on refining his method of destroying these tiny killer viruses. He used the same principle to kill them, which made them visible: resonance. By increasing the intensity of a frequency which resonated naturally with these microbes, Rife increased their natural oscillations until they distorted and disintegrated from structural stresses. Rife called this frequency 'the mortal oscillatory rate,' or 'MOR', and it did no harm whatsoever to the surrounding tissues.

And the article is from Jeff Rense and Fred Burks runs with it and add lots of embellishments.

I just question how this stuff works, you guys start arguing about vibe machines and suddenly all these articles appear to back up the conversation.

Is that the alien presence on the internet?

And Shrub, your Vampire comment, funny how Ed & Elaine Brown were arrested after they invited in the vampires.

So I guess we should all remember, the vampires can't get you unless you invite them in.

And how come none of you are discussing the movie that started Jeff's post

Blow Up
Brian De Palma's rip off Blow Out

And I hear Brian is up in Canada right now promoting his new movie Redacted, which makes us all cry. And will be coming to the states around the middle of November.

My rigourous intuition tells me that there is always something more going on here in the comments section, than my little woman brain can wrap around.

And "projection", gee like movies?

10/07/2007 09:00:00 AM  
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10/07/2007 09:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

God there's more of them!

Magnet Men videos:

10/07/2007 09:43:00 AM  
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10/07/2007 09:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Your last post highly resonates with me. I have felt that way for quite some time. Have you ever observed Derren Brown? He can make people feel psychosomatic symptoms merely through the power of suggestion. Are subconscious cues deposted about to psychosomatically make men impotent, only to turn around and offer these same men a magic pill? Maybe not quite that easy, but in a holistic sense, this appears to be the reality. As IC concedes, and I agree, we are infinitely malleable creatures. My Mother-In-Law believes Michael Moore is evil. Why? Because that was the intended perception mass produced by Fox, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC and USA Today....her sources for her gut feelings about the world, and the various players presented. She thinks her perception is uniquely her own and will not accept, facts be damned, that she is being manipulated and controlled. In how many other ways are we being manipulated and controlled....even those, like ourselves, who are trying to break free.

I'm perplexed by what is a seeming epidemic in stomach and digestive disorders in the United States right now. Everyone seems to have Acid Reflux on a regular basis, including myself. I am taking steps, homeopathic, to address and mitigate my symptoms, but I know I am not addressing the root cause. Our increasing lack of connectedness to the Earth, each other and the Universe is at the heart of it, I'm sure. Even so, if that is the case, how the hell do we halt and reverse this destructive momentum that's hurling us in the opposite direction?

10/07/2007 10:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One Finger Secrets:

10/07/2007 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Brainpanhandler said...

“I don’t want to pretend....”

You do not strike me as one that is pretending Brainpanhandler.

Great to hear from you IC. So, I’m reading this thread and thinking, this is like my own Free Directed Research Center. It rattles many memory bones and I like it. I am enjoying the memory of establishing the University of Modern Non-Thought with Peter K. during a night of drunken blues playing and speculating. Peter was a non-musician, yet it was the best blues I had ever felt.

I laughed to find at the fractal link from IC, this Luciano fellow employed at the Institute of Complex Systems. Maybe someday it will be renamed Institute of the Simple System.

From Amanda Gefter’s article...

....."The universe is not a fractal," Hogg insists, "and if it were a fractal it would create many more problems that we currently have." A universe patterned by fractals would throw all of cosmology out the window. Einstein's cosmic equations would be tossed first, with the big bang and the expansion of the universe following closely behind. Hogg's team feel that until there's a theory to explain why the galaxy clustering is fractal, there's no point in taking it seriously.....

Man, these people are insecure.

Fructidor ....

“I have little time tonight, but I must say that I'm certain that useful answers will not be found in the creation of new systems or further mental analysis of existing systems.”

Our knowledge exists within the frameworks of our conceptual structures. Current structures seem to orient general psychical expressions towards fixed beliefs that we then barter with in exchange for credibility. You may say that another System is not the thing that we need, but the current system in keeping us fixated on the physical, is precisely the thing to be overcome via a better system (aesthetic).

Then... ‘and so seekers after truth are led by the nose to perdition,”

Nice line. This says to me that the foundation is more important than the bricks.

People that bring information that connects elements within a larger potential framework for understanding, get my vote because they are focusing on the correspondences rather than the category. Substance is found not by saying what something is, but rather by how it relates. Many have done this on this thread, and I salute those people.

10/07/2007 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Belliosoto - thanks for the comment - I don't believe I can tell my God what to do either – that’s not what prayer is about, it’s about getting in harmony with what God’s doing. I don't like using the word God and I'm not comfortable with the use of the word prayer either, not because they mean nothing to me, but because they trigger automatic responses from brainy people who believe that anyone who says God basically believes in Father Christmas, and that prayer means clinging to magical illusions.

I watched the Vibe machine video too, about a year ago - not interested, although I know from personal experience that there are machines that can create energetic reactions which may bring relief from symptoms. Acupuncture can do that too. So can osteopathy, etiopathy, sacro-cranial therapy, homeopathy and so on. I’ve also read on Royal Rife, whom I first became aware of when studying the information available in the 1990’s around the great AIDS scam – people like Stefan Lanka, Kary Mullis, Elena Papadopoulos, Etienne Harven and so on.

EricSwan says ... 'All the medicine you will ever need is in your body.' I mostly agree with that – but we also need to maintain a healthy interaction with our environment on all levels, failing which the medicine of our own bodies will deteriorate and become ineffective. We can periodically boost our immune system with machinery - or with expensive medicines or phytotherapy or whatever, but the best and most sure way to maintain health (which is not just physical) is by maintaining our connection to the life force that creates the universe, of which we are all inescapably a part.

What I'm trying to say through all this is that prayer (which is not the same thing as meditation) is a human function which is easily available to all - I'm not fronting for any kind of organisation, and I'm not as thick as all that - hucksters are hucksters, none more invasive than the current pharma groups which are making inconceivable money mostly by peddling pseudo-cures and directing their servants in government to outlaw anything else. The greatest danger to these people is our autonomy. The more we depend on ourselves, the less they like it.

Prayer is not just learning a magic spell to mumble and then dropping your trousers and bending for the conveniencee of any karismatic loudmouth who uses the right trigger words. It's not telling God what you want him to do either. Many of you must have learned all about transcendental meditation back in the day – I bought my mantra too and practised for a while – didn’t like the hierarchy and the elitist atmosphere either, but mostly, though meditation did in fact increase my awareness of the connection inside me, and did bring a measure of serenity, it remained a solitary experience, and that felt wrong – or at least, lacking something important.

A cell in an organism is defined as healthy insofar as it functions in harmony with others. When it doesn’t, it becomes unhealthy and disease ensues. What causes it to cease working correctly is another matter. Prayer is a means of maintaining harmony within one’s own organism, with one’s immediate environment, and with the universe as a whole. Harmony guarantees health. Nutrition is important, abstinence from poisons, etc, of course. But you can’t progress unless you also operate changes on your own attitude to life – this is the basic point of a ‘spiritual path’, however tedious that phrase has become. If the spiritual path proposed to you costs a lot of money or demands that you bow to a hierarchy, use expensive machinery, or perform mysterious rituals that only the ‘elite’ understand, it’s not going to help you – unless you need a good raping in order to wake up to the fact that you have everything you need – including access to the life force of the universe.

I first came to RI because of its great title (Rigour is a way of verifying Intuition, but Intuition comes first), then I saw the wonderful poem by Rumi, and the articles are mostly very interesting. I assumed that the communicants were all sharing info in a search for a way to improve our lot in a complex and diseased world. I’ll continue to act from that, but I’m beginning to have some doubts. Some bloggers are plants, that’s clear, some communicants are too – in some cases, the whole deal is phoney from the start – others seem to have begun honestly and have been taken over at one point or another. Maybe they were planned that way from the start. In any event, life is a buffet lunch – eat all you want as your appetites direct you, but don’t moan about indigestion if you keep eating shit.

10/07/2007 10:58:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Movie Girl,

I’m sure that all that brou-haha above might look like the arms-folded in protracted stand-off mode that typically follows an acrimonious debate, but if you look behind all the emotion-laden stuff, I think you'll agree that it was all just miscommunication: perceived insults, assumptions of intent, etc. It sounded like some sort of fracas, but it was really just a bunch of sound & fury signifying...misperceptions.

The weird thing about this is that it's a great example of the difficulty of achieving not consensus but solidarity.

If Shrub & Mark & Brainpanhandler & I appear to be caught up in such profound disagreement when we're actually all pretty much on the same page about the very issues around which the "argument" centers, then what does that say about our chances of changing the world through spreading a universal awareness of our commonality?

On the other hand, maybe there's something of the old "familiarity breeds contempt" going on here--my brothers and I used to argue a point into nothingness among ourselves, but when facing outward we always achieved an almost effortless coherence & unity.

I suspect that if we were speaking at some convention of Elitist Bastards Seeking World Dominion, our little "team" would be watching each other's backs just like my brothers & I used to when we went out in the world.

Maybe it's just testosterone--it has been known to impair judgment occasionally. (Shocking, eh?)

Thanks for braving the unnecessary bravado and coming back with more good info, the currency of the hour.

Brainpanhandler & Shrub,

As you've gathered from my remarks to Movie Girl, I don't think there really is any disagreement among or between us. This bit comes fairly close to the truth for me:

It does not sound to me as if you are saying IC will maliciously and willfully misrepresent others, but that that is an occasional byproduct left in the wake of one of his diatribes.

It might well be that my diatribes are so emotionally charged that it looks like I'm spreading my fire on friendly forces, but you guys have to see that the targets of my anger & outrage are not anyone here at RI but instead those forces in the world which have engendered that anger in the first place. Of course I don't identify any of you with those forces--it puzzles me that such a misperception is even possible. If I've given offense in this way, my mea culpa is as real as my passion about the issues confronting us.

There is one more item that seems misconstrued, or at least misinterpreted to me. When I wrote:

Look at it this way: your mind balking at the idea that some people could be so cruel as to cause needless suffering merely to ensure their continued wealth & power is the result of a new sensibility, an awareness of and empathy for the suffering of others

and Brainpanhandler responded:

None of this is new to me, except really accepting that there are those that have no empathy for the suffering of others

I didn't mean that this sensibility was new to you, but that it was new to humankind in this late stage of the Age of Fire & Scarcity. The heralds of this new sensibility have appeared as far back as the Buddha (and probably even further...who knows what poetry our slaughtered Neanderthal cousins might have written before their involuntary extinction?), but they were way out in front of the blindly struggling swarm of humankind.

The lineage of the Peacemakers is rather well known, in fact, once we get to the time of written records. What's new is that this sensibility--that all men really are brothers and that this feudal/social Darwinian/trickle-down/survival-of-the-fittest meme is a total crock of shit--is beginning to achieve the critical mass needed to effect the paradigm change the world so desperately needs.

While spiritual vampires like the Scientologists and organized religions in general are certainly out there preying on the praying, the impulse to genuine spirituality is generating so much interest in this other path, this "new" sensibility of which I speak, that the circus ringleaders are not and cannot consume the entire flood.

Here's an example of a popular icon who's generating a lot of interest these days, giving context to the vision of Tolstoy and Fuller and Gandhi: the recent biography of Francis of Assisi by a guy who normally writes pretty shallow celebrity biographies & such. The book is called Reluctant Saint, by Donald Spoto, and here's an excerpt from an interview Spoto gave on the book that ties lots of our strings together:

Hansen: His message was different from the way preaching was done. The preaching at the time was, `You will be punished for your sins.' And his message was one of mercy.

Spoto: Yes, it was. It was one of mercy and compassion. Francis was unique in not talking about hellfire and damnation. He invited people gently to consider that whatever their station in life, that there was indeed a merciful God whose love for them he hoped they might sense in the nursing of them by his own friars. It's important to keep in mind in this regard that Francis of Assisi never wanted to become a priest. He never did become a priest or a cleric. And he had no intention of founding a religious order. What happened was that by simple virtue of his charismatic personality and his magnificent character, that attracted a number of followers - some of them lawyers, some of them physicians, some of them university professors--who saw the wisdom and the beauty and the serenity that seemed to radiate from him, and they wanted to share that same kind of purpose and serenity and inner peace, and they found it in giving up excess, in giving up luxury, in giving up all pretense to power and devoting themselves to the needs of the marginalized in society.

Hansen: Tell us now the tale of this extraordinary meeting in 1219 between Francis of Assisi and the Muslim Sultan al-Malik al-Kamil. He is the nephew of Saladin, the very famous ruler, and he was the same age as Francis and they had a meeting of the minds which you almost wish could happen today. I mean, there were so many interesting parallels to the news of the day and this meeting of Francis with the sultan in 1219 during a Crusade.

Spoto: I'm so glad you bring this up because to me it's the single most relevant aspect of this book. Here was Francis of Assisi sickened by the Crusades, by the excess of commerce. The Crusades were not about faith. The Crusades were about trade. The butchery, the savagery being enacted on both sides, the Muslim world and the Christian world, calling each other infidels, and he took ship and went to Egypt where, as you say, the sultan, who was in charge of the Muslim forces in the Fifth Crusade, had his camp and his headquarters. And he was prepared to be seized and beheaded on the spot. Everybody said, "You won't come back alive."

He met the sultan and was shocked to find that here was a highly civilized, deeply prayerful man with a profound faith in one god, which, of course, is the center of the Muslim faith, and he found a man as sickened by war as he was. However, the interesting thing is here that neither Francis nor al-Malik al-Kamil could prevail. Neither of them could convince--on the one side, all the forces in the Middle East, and on the other side, the forces of the Roman emperor and of the pope, to lay down their arms. They believed that a lasting peace could be accomplished by a savage war. The parallels are astonishing, but I think what is important is that here was the first time in history when there was what we might call an ecumenical meeting between a Western Christian and a Muslim leader and they parted deep friends and deeply distressed by the failure of their own influence to persuade the forces of war to lay down their arms and find a better way of dealing with their differences.

It seems to me that the cultural Emotional Plague that was behind Clash of Civilzations I(™) is precisely what we're living through (again) right now. While the propaganda outlets (all of them, every TV set on earth) might be spewing the Lie 24/7, enough of us have turned away from this simple-minded claptrap that we're starting to dicover that we do all want the same things after all, despite our conditioning and our infinite malleability, as we see in those polls that Mark links from time to time.

If I could close on a fractal note, the genius of that theory is in its organizational schematic: the whole is contained in the particular. Now look at this issue of health we're chewing over here. The discontent over the inadequacy and inhumanity of the current Mammon-driven system is a perfect microcosm of what ails us as a species: we free range omnivores are getting fed up with being herded and culled by these vicious, hypocritical vampires in charge of our "well-being."

So what's a non-violent metaphor for a stake through the heart? "Cooking with garlic" sounds a little too ineffectual...any ideas, meme-smashers?

Oh, yeah.

Many things are easier to make legal than healthy, just as many healthy things might be made illegal because they challenge wealth creation by already established groups.

You mean congress isn't going to legalize hemp and criminalize corruption?

10/07/2007 12:19:00 PM  
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10/07/2007 01:01:00 PM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Sounder said - 'This says to me that the foundation is more important than the bricks.'

Yes - the foundation must be the true foundation - that's really it - properly founded, no construction is impossible. None.

No human behaviour is static - as energetic entities, we add our charge either in harmony with life or in disharmony - in terms of what we are that is. A heart cell will be of no use in reparing a torn knee ligament unless it remains in its place and operates efficiently as a heart cell, thereby playing its natural part in the maintenance of the overall structure.

This, for humans, is where the difficult struggle for humility may come in. Humility is not knuckling under to the specious authority of some self-proclaimed leader, but rather accepting to be what we are rather than trying to appear what we are not.

I like everything that IC passed on about my favourite saint, St Francis, lover of birds - and author of one of the best prayers ever, which all friends of Dr. Bill get to know by heart - he certainly wasn't trying to start a sect, any more than Jesus was - these organisations are incarnations of human frailty and quickly become consolidated into vectors of power, which, as we know, corrupts absolutely.

It may appear that I've been dismissing the many facets of the quest for understanding as beside the point, or expressing disrespect for the learned - I'd like to dispel that idea, if it's occurred to anyone - but as Sounder says, the foundation is more important than the bricks - there's nothing wrong with gathering knowledge about the wealth of bricks available, but until we have assured ourselves of the genuine foundation - which is there for all of us, every one, then nothing we build will serve any purpose. Insofar as the gathering of info distracts us from sounding the true depths of our humanity, it becomes just one more problem.

Anyone can pray - think about it, try it out, and if you want, ask for a sign. Now that sounds fucking freaky doesn't it? Try it anyway.

10/07/2007 01:14:00 PM  
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10/07/2007 01:26:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Movie Girl.. You got your Blow'd up real good from Second City SCTV which is John Candy et al and you got Blow Up which most people are not aware of and was not the intention of the title.

I think the universe is fractal and have no problem dismissing Einstein (the sooner the better) in favour of an electric universe that has positive (not really positive) and negative (not really negative) poles operating through a torus of attraction and repulsion. The seal of Solomon or the flag of Israel are symbols of the gyre of spiraling fractals toward the null point. The null point is our time/space entering or leaving the that cosmic clock we call precession. It really does come down to One and and to get there we must jostle our way through the time/space moving in the opposite direction. The triangle is in the material world or 3d world and the circle of the spiral which never closes but evolves is in the 4d spirit world. Don't expect too much cohesion. As the gyre closes to the null point, those in a cosmic consciousness are not connected to the souls in their time/space; They have a connection to the souls of reincarnated aspects ..somewhere back in time and somewhere in the future. The One in the null point knows it all. That One doubles at the terminus of the gyre. Your double, your doppelganger will meet you on the rim and if you are perceptive to spirits you will know when it happens.

10/07/2007 02:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the constellation of Cygnus
There lurks a mysterious, invisible force
The Black Hole
of Cygnus X-1

Six Stars of the Northern Cross
In mourning for their sister's loss
In a final flash of glory
Nevermore to grace the night...

The Voyage by Peart.

The mystery of the Rife microscope aside the Great World Wide Star Count is here. Join thousands of other students, families, and citizen scientists counting stars this October, for the Great World Wide Star Count, October 1 - 15, 2007!

This international event encourages everyone to go outside, look skywards after dark, count the stars they see in certain constellations, and report what they see online. The survey, the first ever, is a citizen science project that will map the impact of light pollution on stargazing and encourage people to learn more about astronomy. Not just about the song by Blue Oyster Cult.

Light pollution is on the minds of researchers because in major cities, where car lots, shopping malls, and sports stadiums are illuminated at night, it makes it nearly impossible to see stars, said Dennis Ward, a project organizer. Under perfect conditions, about 140,000 stars should be seen in the sky, but in areas with high light pollution, the number of visible stars is closer to 150, he said.

The star count began Oct. 1 and is organized by the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research, a consortium of 30 universities, in Boulder, Colo.

go to to see what it's all about.

parts taken from Detroit Free Press, October 6, 2007.

10/07/2007 09:13:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...

Brainpain said:
To some extent specialization makes all the sense in the world, but it unfortunately is isomorphic with and reinforces the obsession western science and medicine has with treating bits and pieces of us, masking symptomology (which is often the only way we can recognize there is something wrong), and chasing after symptoms without in many cases bothering to undertsnad the causes.

Sure, specialization has its place, although I view it as icing on the cake and in no way essential for health.

I don't mind having one guy (or gal) peering through the microscope at DNA and another looking at a particular hepatic enzyme system and another looking at the heart and another at the brain. BUt somewhere along the way, all this information has to be put together, because these are not separate pieces -- they are parts of a whole! And that whole is not only physical, it's mental, emotional, spiritual and social, something western medicine is just beginning to acknowledge. THe carving-up system is more lucrative. It enlarges the number of specialties (and specialists make more $$), it further mystifies health and creates more dependence on the specialists who, we are told, can decipher the mysteries; it multiplies the "diseases" (since the whole human being has been abolished, systemic conditions are ignored and treated as a myriad of local symptoms in different body parts), and enables the creation of a myriad of biochemically disruptive synthetic molecules (i.e., drugs) to treat the symptoms.

Moreover, the benefits of reductionism have been greatly overestimated. We do not, in fact, need to go through a microscope to find health. All the factors that promote health and prevent/heal disease have always been available on planet earth to the most uneducated savage, and are susceptible to empirical testing without any need to look at biochemistry or genetics or what have you. Food, for instance, comes to us whole, not as millions of separate molecules or elements. The factors in health such as air, food, water, soil, light, relationships, mental and spiritual state -- all of these things have always existed; they weren't invented by Pasteur and his microscope-wielding, blame-everything-on-germs-or-genes disciples!

When there is something wrong with me I go to an MD first, not only because that is what my insurance will cover, but because I believe that is my best bet.

When I sprain my ankle or fall off my bike and bust open my chin or get bitten by an animal, I go to an emergency room to see a (vastly overpaid) MD (although an osteopath would have been as good or better). When I am looking for a solution to a chronic ailment such as allergies, fatigue, inflamed liver, etc (all of which I have suffered), I go to an alternative practitioner at my own expense (and an hour's drive away). I've been through the medical maze for these issues -- including the "best of the best" at the University of Chicago Hospitals -- back then, my dad was on the UCH staff so I was covered. But I came away with nothing to show for it; hell, a lot of the time they don't even acknowledge your ailment -- they tell you it's all in your head or they throw up their hands.

By contrast, the alternative guy (a chiropractor who's certified in nutrition, detoxification and addiction treatment), knows exactly what I'm talking about when I describe my symptoms; he has tests to determine causes; and he is knowledgable about treatments. (Including biofrequency treatments -- I'm gonna ask him about those.) And he charges on a sliding scale. Cash out of my pocket, sure, but at least I can be reasonably sure that I'll see results and not just "take these and call me in a month."

He said my symptoms were idiopathic. Having never taken Latin the meaning of this word was not immediately apparent. I imagine that really only a small percentage of patients would recognize what this term meant. So why use it?

The same reason the Roman Catholic priests spoke in Latin for all those centuries: to keep you in the dark and to avoid saying "we don't know anything"!

There is some variance relative to various substances that I ingest, but I have not figured that out yet.

I would think that some foods are causing more inflammation and perhaps others have anti-inflammatory effects. I would seek to eat a diet as high in anti-inflammatory foods and substances as possible. Most if not all plant foods contain anti-inflammatory substances. Then there are Omega-3 oils (fish, flax, grapeseed, olive. etc.) and anti-inflamm. nutrients such as high-dose vitamin C, quercitin, and others I can't think of now. (Ester-C alone works wonders for many types of inflammation, in my experience.) You can probably find a list of such things fairly easy on the Web.

All illness and pathology could be traced to energetic imbalances and blockages in the organism that resulted from emotional disturbances ...

Could be some truth to this, but it can't be "all" illness since we know that many factors contribute. I would say that emotions are a major contributing/compouding factor with all the others.

10/07/2007 09:52:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"To some extent specialization makes all the sense in the world, but it unfortunately is isomorphic with and reinforces the obsession western science and medicine has with treating bits and pieces of us, masking symptomology (which is often the only way we can recognize there is something wrong), and chasing after symptoms without in many cases bothering to understand the causes."

Or "specialization" is where the money is at.

I'm old enough to remember housecalls. I'm also old enough to remember when the neighborhood I grew up in had a viable business laden Main Street.

My parents never owned a car.

I didn't start driving until I was 26.

I either walked or took the public taxi.

There's no better urban survival lesson than years of bus riding.

Everything was in walking distance. Clothes, a bakery, a GP who made housecalls, a dentist, a deli, furniture stores, etc.

But that's all gone now. The Main Street in my old neighborhood is primarily cut-rate junk shops & bars.

You either have to bus long distances or you have to own a car.

When IC waxes rhapsodic about community interdependence, I usually disagree, primarily because I think its 30 years too late.

I'm currently reading Greg Palast's Armed Madhouse.

I'd call it a good book provided that "good" could be stretched to encompass information that just makes one's balls ache.

Interestingly enough, one cover blurb, from The New Yorker, says, "Armed Madhouse Is Great Fun."

Yeah, I suppose I could see how the target audience of The New Yorker would find this book "great fun," since it's pretty much a nice compact record of how the wealthy have been kicking our asses.

Personally though, I've never found a good ass kicking to be "great fun."

Palast has this to say after quite artfully demonstrating in excruciating detail how both elections were "manipulated,"and the Democrats rolled over like good little lap dogs,

"In another world, in which all votes are counted, J.F. Kerry would have gathered all those arcane chits called "electoral votes" and would be sitting in the Oval Office today. But, dear reader, there's one cold statistic Kerry voters must face: 59 million Americans marched to the polls and voted for George W. Bush. The fact that the Republicans monkeyed with the votes in swing states doesn't wash away that big red stain.

If Osama doesn't scare you, that should.

Because if 59 million Americans agreed with George Bush that every millionare's son, like him, shouldn't have to pay inheritance taxes; that sucking up to Saudi petrocrats constitutes a foreign policy; that killing Muslims in Mesopotamia will make them less inclined to kill us in Manhatten; that turning Social Security to the casino operators that gave us Enron, Worldcom and world depression is smart economics; then, fine, Mr. Bush deserves the job. But most Americans, bless 'em, don't actually believe any of that hokum. Yet half still voted for him.

What we witnessed on November 2, 2004, was a 59 million strong army of pinheads on parade ready to gamble awy their pensions so long as George Bush makes sure that boys kill each other, not kiss; who feel right proud that our uniformed services can kick some scrawny brown people in the ass in some far off place when we're mad and can't find Osama; who can't bring themselves to vote for a guy with a snooty Boston accent who's never been to a Nascar tractor pull and who certainly thinks anyone who does is a low-IQ beer burping blockhead.

In his vulturous, brain damaged way, Zell Miller was right: Stand up for Black votes and the redneck boobs will take their revenge. so the election came down to this: Nitwits who think Ollie North is a hero not a conman, who can't name their congreeman, who believe that Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden were going steady, who can't tell Afghanistan from a souvlaki stand and, bloated with lies and super-size fries, clomped to the polls 59 million strong to vent their small-minded hatreds on us all.

I fear the election was an intelligence test that America flunked."

Tonight, on The NBC Evening "News," they had a story on how "terrorists" are infiltrating the Tri-Border Region, &, through illicit activities, are funding their "terrorist" shenanigans. So, like an idiot, I immediately think, "Wow, they're gonna bring up the drugs."


Even though huge amounts of apparently protected drugs are entering America from that area, the wunderkinds at NBC had other fish to fry.

Copyright infringement.

It turns out those nasty terrorists are bootlegging CDS & DVDs & pretty much anything else you can bootleg. & the FBI were there seizing truckloads of the shit.

Which made me laugh out loud since I'd just read Palast ramble on about America's altering of Iraqi law that included, wonder of wonders, copyright law.

Apparently drug running deserves zero air-time, but refusing to pay one's tithe to "the man" is a big fucking no-no.

10/08/2007 01:34:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...


For those who don't like electromedicine, the same biofrequencies healing techniques can be done with sonics (same frequencies, different machine) in the technology of British doctor Dr. Guy Peter Manners and his "Cymatic Instrument". Google it up.

I've additionally seen some type of machine that 'sampled' Qi Gong master's 'infra-sound' from their hands, then played that recording back as 'healing hands tech' for Chinese hospital patients.

Or, you could just chant sonorous vowels that would provide your own frequency boost and presumably activate frequency driven DNA replication? :-) OUM.


Well I attempted to steer the conversation back to Jeff's topic a while back for clarification, though no answer.

So I'll relaunch another one.

Just search back for Iapetus in the threads several months ago for a quick overview of the clearest example of an engineered planetoid sitting in our solar system:

...Arthur C. Clarke's meganovel 2001 and megamovie 2001 (and 2010) only enhances his supposed 'insider status' since he writes-up about an alien technological presence "on a moon around Saturn."

In the movie 2010, it turns into "Europa." Well, guess what?

Actually, it's Iapetus--quoting from a Jan 2001 comment at RI, this 'moon of Saturn' which looks more like a 900 mile wide abandoned alien spaceship with geometric undergirding, than anything formed out of the random gravity adhesions of space rock and dust:

The 900 mile wide question

In [now less than] nine months, September 2007, NASA will have a closer look at the constructed tetrahedral faceted 900 mile spheroid alien spaceship [very similar to Earth's moon construction it seems], orbiting at the most far distant canted angle around Saturn unlike all of its other closer moons, AKA, "Iapetus."

"The 2007 Cassini fly-by should send us close-ups of these extraordinary features that are literally 1000 times better... than these:

Read the three parts here:
and 2 and 3

"Iapetus" (for lack of another name for the faceted 900 mile wide "it", for the moment) looks quite like the "Death Star" of Star Wars fame actually, and it seems constructed from geodesic architecture [like Earth's moon's hexagonal Mare Crisium]: giving the horizon line of "it" regular straight edge facets 100s of miles long; surface square city block features visible in some areas; and hexagonal 'craters' of [pushed in flat internal] collapse, instead of impact.

Oh, there's a huge vertically straight (and perfectly at the equator) 12 mile high 'weld' running around "it" as well. [exactly the same like the "Death Star" models in Star Wars]

What did George Lucas [or his scriptwriters who inserted it] know? [Where did they get the "random idea"?]

And what did Arthur C. Clarke know?

In his novel 2001 he put [his SECOND other "perfectly random" though perfectly right on the money 'guess'] 'the Monolith', that symbol of alien intelligence and alien intervention in the human species in our solar system "around a moon of Saturn...." [where, voila , it does seem to be.]

The Brookings Institute had some public relations in 1960. Their New York Times article 'Mankind is Warned to Prepare for Discovery of Life in Space', where they opined that discovery of aliens or alien archaeological finds would "destroy human civilization"--...with lots of petty earth politics evaporating.


September 2007 is going to be a big month in earth history I predict if we get to see more accurate images of "Iapetus."

Well, Sept 2007 came and went. NASA refuses to reveal the data of its flyby of Iapetus (unlike ALL other areas on the Cassini trip):

"Hoagland notes that the ONLY data missing from public release on the whole Cassini mission roster that was in the public domain events relates to Iepetus. One particular study of Iapetus has gone down the memory hole. Though mentioned in public releases as an upcoming data analysis, the results has been hidden alone.

Instead, NASA and JPL talk avidly and exclusively about the Saturn moon Titan on the same variable analysis that Iaepetus was equally analyed upon: a radar reflectivity test that provides a lot about detailed surface features.

Everything else from the mission has been released within days if not hours after it happened...except for this Iaepetus radar reflectivity information. This test is described by Hoagland as a sure method to determine some major surface features and even slight depth composition issues. Whatever they learned about Iapetus , it's not going to be public.

Just found out that there are more tetrahedral structures on Saturn. In this case, hexagons.

That's the point of this update.

Seems there's a durable hexagonal 'thing' on Saturn's north pole. At least 26 years old.

It's claimed on this short video:

"NASA's voyager 1 and 2 spacecraft imaged the feature over two decades ago. The fact that it appeared in Cassini images indicates that IT IS A LONG-LIVED FEATURE.

A second hexagon, significantly darker than the brighter feature, is also visible in the pictures."

This hexagon encircles the entire north pole of Saturn.

The title of that video post is "Cymatics on Saturn". Is it? Or is is solid like the tetrahedral issues on the nearby Iapetus 'thing' revolving around Saturn--a 'thing' so top secret that NASA refuses to reveal their Iapetus flyby images or radio wave scanning?

The Saturn hexagon could be solid because:

"The hexagon seems to have remained fixed with Saturn's rotation rate and axis since glimpsed by Voyager 26 years ago."

The scale is equally immense:

"The hexagon is nearly 25,000 km across...four Earths could fit inside..."

"We haven't seen a (geometric) feature like this anywhere else on any other planet," said [really, lies] Cassini scientist Kevin Baines of the NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. "It's unbelievable." [Lies since there are plenty of tetrahedral geometries on Iapetus.]

I think it's enough to note the hexagon on Saturn by itself.

However, the creator of that short film clip as if that is not amazing enough has to toss in a tenuous "Templars/Rosslyn Chapel connection " near the close of clip. hee hee

Slartibartfast lives.

10/08/2007 02:43:00 AM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

Saturn's hexagon could be solid but most likely isn't because a system of clouds can be viewed inside the hexagon whipping around like cars on a racetrack.

I'm also kind of curious as to why Hoagland should be believed since he's been pretty consistently wrong about everything?

For example, the Mar's face wasn't much of a "face" after all.

Hoagland also claimed that an exploding Galileo spacecraft caused the dark spot on Jupiter even though Jupiter has a long history of dark spots popping up.

There are other problems with Hoagland's exploding galileo theory but I doubt they'd be believed.

He claimed to be the 1st to propose a planet-wide ocean on Europa which is misleading at best. The idea of oceans on or in the moons of Jupiter had been around for many years.

Another favorite Hoagland tactic is compressing high-res images & then pointing out anomalies that were created by the image compression as if they were there before the image was compressed.

I could go on and on with this but I doubt it would change anything.

As far as Iapetus' welded seam goes:

"The most unique, and perhaps most remarkable feature discovered on Iapetus in Cassini images is a topographic ridge that coincides almost exactly with the geographic equator. The ridge is conspicuous in the picture as an approximately 20-kilometer wide (12 miles) band that extends from the western (left) side of the disc almost to the day/night boundary on the right. On the left horizon, the peak of the ridge reaches at least 13 kilometers (8 miles) above the surrounding terrain. Along the roughly 1,300 kilometer (800 mile) length over which it can be traced in this picture, it remains almost exactly parallel to the equator within a couple of degrees. The physical origin of the ridge has yet to be explained. It is not yet clear whether the ridge is a mountain belt that has folded upward, or an extensional crack in the surface through which material from inside Iapetus erupted onto the surface and accumulated locally, forming the ridge. The origin of Cassini Regio is a long-standing debate among scientists. One theory proposes that its dark material may have erupted onto Iapetus's icy surface from the interior. Another theory holds that the dark material represented accumulated debris ejected by impact events on dark, outer satellites of Saturn. Details of this Cassini image mosaic do not definitively rule out either of the theories. However, they do provide important new insights and constraints."

Which seems more believable?
A "welded seam" or some naturally created anomaly unique to Iapetus?

Y'know, I'd be willing to bet the farm that astronomers are going to find oodles of inexplicable, anomalous, & theory shattering info as their sphere of exploration widens.

To automatically jump to the "aliens built it' conclusion is, at best, just plain silly.

Assuming Artie Clarke had some deep inner super-secret knowledge about an artificial alien gadget is also hilariously funny.

Artie Clarke also used to host his Mysterious Universe tv show that highlighted oodles of paranormal dipshittery.

Paranormal dipshittery that Artie pretty much always scoffed at previous to his hosting job.

Should I believe that Artie had some manner of paranormal epiphany prior to his hosting job or do you think he did it for the nice paycheck?

Artie also has used Saturn in a number of stories. One entitled "Saturn Rising" comes to mind where humans planned on building a 'hotel' on Titan for the best tourist view of Saturn's rings.
I suppose that I should also believe that this was derived from his secret knowledge of the Hilton clan & their future plans for a space hotel chain?

10/08/2007 12:20:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

"Actually, it's Iapetus--quoting from a Jan 2001 comment at RI, this 'moon of Saturn' which looks more like a 900 mile wide abandoned alien spaceship with geometric undergirding, than anything formed out of the random gravity adhesions of space rock and dust:"


I don't know Mark, there are oodles of Iapetus photos here:

& it kind of looks like a moon, pal.

If aliens did build it, the little grey dickens should have installed a shielding array to keep those hundreds upon hundreds of crater forming asteroids & meteors from plowing into the surface & potentially damaging the delicate machinery that must be inside.

Gee, I guess ET just isn't as advanced as we'd like to believe.

One more Hoagland aside:
The Hoagster, when successfully de-bunked by actual astronomers, always likes to use the de-bunking as proof that he's right rather than utterly confused & mistaken.
In Hoagland speak the de-bunking is just an "attack" that "proves" he(Hoagland) is really on to "something."

I vote we move this daft logic into all fields of inquiry.

Take the legal system, for instance, where the case of guilt amassed by a prosecutor could now be seen as rock solid proof of the defendant's innocence.

I'm sure you see where I'm going with this, so I'll spare you any further examples.

10/08/2007 01:48:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

I really was going to stay away today—I’ve got so much “work” to do on my wretchedly neglected project and so little time & energy to spread around, but Richard and Mark have drawn me back to this most addictive venue. (Damn your eyes! [A most interesting curse, if you follow its trail.])

First off is Mark’s reminder of how far we’ve strayed from Jeff’s topic du jour (or of the week, depending on that poor man’s stresses). I realized when I read this that I hadn’t quite tied my sermons together, or rather, lashed them to Jeff’s post as well as I had intended, but it was really due to faulty html texting. (Honestly!)

This has everything to do with Richard’s comment:

When IC waxes rhapsodic about community interdependence, I usually disagree, primarily because I think its 30 years too late.

You see, when I was attempting to answer Jeff’s complaint about dissenting from the couch (and we here are only one step or room removed from that level of “involvement”), and I brought in that Francis of Assisi business, I forgot to highlight the focus that the Reluctant Saint found as the gathering point of the truly human commnity—I didn’t "enbolden" the passage:

…What happened was that by simple virtue of his charismatic personality and his magnificent character, that attracted a number of followers - some of them lawyers, some of them physicians, some of them university professors--who saw the wisdom and the beauty and the serenity that seemed to radiate from him, and they wanted to share that same kind of purpose and serenity and inner peace, and they found it in giving up excess, in giving up luxury, in giving up all pretense to power and devoting themselves to the needs of the marginalized in society.

The key here, since I can’t underline or use the code allowed here to stress the point any further is that all those who wanted to “share that same kind of purpose and serenity and inner peace” found it in giving up excess, in giving up luxury, in giving up all pretense to power and devoting themselves to the needs of the marginalized in society. (Giving up "luxury" does not mean asceticism, but simply not engaging in mindless consumerism & conspicuous consumption, as you'll see later, when we get to RAW.)

This is what I meant by identifying more fully with those courageous Burmese monks and with the downtrodden they are attempting to defend and with the needs of the marginalized in society.

The community that Richard nostalgically remembers isn’t the same as the one which concerns itself with the Lumpenmensch—I’d guess Richard’s town was probably also a Sundown Town as well as a place where doctors still made housecalls, or if those statutes had been repealed, it wasn’t long before Richard’s happy memories begin. My first wife’s father was the son of the chief of police in one of those little towns that have been swallowed up by the relentless sprawl of Chicago’s “Golden Corridor”—that Northwest Passage that envelops places like Des Plaines, Mt. Prospect, Arlington Heights, etc.

The old man used to tell me about how his dad would take him with sometimes take him with as he made his Sundown Patrol. Not only would he make sure that no Black folks, Mexicans, Chinese (Christ, it’s a long list—let’s just say any flavors other than whitebread) were malingering within city limits as the curtain of light fell, he’d also take the opportunity to clear up any unsolved crimes by simply picking up one of the poor bastards he was rousting and say, “We caught Mrs. Smith’s murderer!” even though everyone knew it was really Mr. Smith, but he was the bank president, fer chrissakes.

Mob hits were oftentimes cleared up in the same fashion and for the same reason. When I was a lot younger I was once escorted through some of Capone’s tunnels that are still intact under very fashionable Yuppie neighborhoods on Chicago’s North Side (not the decoy ruins “discovered” by Geraldo Rivera—these were massive, 15-foot high underground highways which the booze trucks used) by an old timer who told me that the Mob used Chicago police as guards because they were cheaper.

Small towns or big cities, America of yesteryear never really concerned itself with the welfare of its less fortunate. I know it’s Columbus Day & all, but this blasphemous diatribe of mine acknowledges no sacred cows. Richard’s lack of surprise at the lack of news coverage of the narco-terror pipeline in the Tri-City area tells us that the Sundown Laws have never really faded—many of them were never actually written down in the first place, just like the racial profiling by the police and the real estate/insurance redlining that characterize the way we still do business.

What I’m after is a new and very different contract. And this is where we get to Mark’s space artifacts, strangely enough.

2001 might be Clarke’s best-known work, but whether or not it does reveal some “insider knowledge,” (I don't quite trust Hoagland, either, for what it's worth), it’s in Childhood’s End that we find Clarke’s even deeper peek into What They’ve Got In Store For Us.

I won’t go into my interpretation of Childhood’s End here and we don’t have to go to some “conspiracy theory” website to find the thread running through all this—you can find it all at Their Wikipedia. Here’s the trail, then. It’s not a long one, either, but I’ll post the highlights for those who are link-shy.

It begins with Wiki’s plot summary for Clarke’s devilish masterpiece, Childhood’s End (a staple of the American high school modern literature canon; an important point, since this is pure propaganda, not the imaginative science fiction it’s been packaged as):

Childhood's End is about humanity's transformation and integration to an interstellar hive mind, the Occult, man's inability to live in a utopian society, cruelty to animals, and the idea of being "The Last Man on Earth".

The 1953 edition of the story begins when enormous alien spaceships one day appearing above all of the Earth's major cities. The aliens, who become known as the Overlords, quickly communicate by radio, announcing benign intention and desire to help mankind. They quickly end the arms race and colonialism. They also arrange personal, though not face-to-face, meetings between Secretary General of the United Nations Rikki Stormgren and Karellen, the Overlord leader, albeit via two-way mirror, so that the earthman cannot see the extraterrestrial alien. Karellen has a special relationship with Stormgren, though short of traditional friendship. The Overlords promise to reveal themselves in fifty years, after which time mankind will have lost their prejudice, becoming comfortable with their presence.

Mankind enters a golden age of the greatest peace and prosperity ever known, but at the expense of some creativity and freedom; not every Earthling is content with the bargain, nor accepts the beneficence of the Overlords' long-term intentions…

One day, human children (starting in New Athens) begin displaying telepathic and telekinetic abilities. Because of that, they soon become distant from their parents, and the Overlords quarantine all of them in their own continent. When Karellen states the Overlord's true purpose, he says that taking the children will be mandatory, for the parents would likely have killed the children because of the growing evolutionary biologic differences. He also thinks it best to exterminate those parents, but he can not bring himself to do so, allowing mankind to decide their fates. Karellen says that the Overlord race will forever envy mankind because its evolution remains fertile. After quarantine, no more evolved children are born; the narration subtly hints that most of the parents commit suicide, while their children evolve towards merging with the Overmind.

Get the message? Collective consciousness (especially in its focus on the well-being of all men) is bad—rugged indivudualism is good.
Is it coincidental that this book was written right when Pierre Teilhard de Chardin was starting to make waves with his Omega Point theory?

Only the Wiki knows, but there’s a link to the Omega Point page which shows a very different view of mankind’s coming together. Libertarians still hate de Chardin, but his view of the human potential is not Clarke’s establishment propaganda, either. Here’s a quick overview:

Omega point is a term invented by French Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin to describe the ultimate maximum level of complexity-consciousness to which the universe seems to be heading. The universe evolves towards more complex states, while at the same time more conscious states. For Teilhard, this is the true theory of evolution, and he calls it the Law of Complexity/Consciousness. Matter complexifies throughout time, whilst rising to more conscious states. For Teilhard, this is only possible if a higher form of consciousness is "drawing" the universe to itself. For it is impossible that lower conscious states can give rise to higher conscious states.

Thus, Teilhard postulates "Omega Point" as the critical point of consciousness which draws the universe towards higher states of consciousness, as observed in the Law of Complexity/Consciousness. The human-being (the most complex, and so most conscious piece of matter) is so conscious that it is 'reflective.' Which means that the human being can reflect on him or herself. Or, the human being is self-conscious. Or as Teilhard is fond of saying, "The human-being is consciousness squared."

As Teilhard envisaged it, the Law of Complexity/Consciousness continues to rise through the socialization of mankind. Mankind is converging upon itself on the earth, creating more complex forms of communication and information exchange, all attributing to a rise in the collective consciousness of the human race. Teilhard envisages a critical point of 'reflection', in which the collective consciousness of mankind (like that of the individual human-being) will become conscious of itself, attaining its term at Omega Point, that divine center of consciousness which was always drawing the universe to itself.

Garcia's ever-increasing creativity

In 1971, John David Garcia expanded on Teilhard's Omega Point idea. In particular, he stressed that even more than the increase of intelligence, the constant increase of ethics is essential for humankind to reach the Omega Point. He applied the term creativity to the combination of intelligence and ethics and announced that increasing creativity is the correct and proper goal of human life. He specifically rejected increasing happiness as a proper ultimate goal: when faced with a choice between increasing creativity and increasing happiness, a person ought to choose creativity, he wrote.

Now, for my money, de Chardin made far too much noise about the cosmic consequences of this shift in focus from supporting the apex of the pyramid to getting the crushing blocks off the backs of the bottom layer, but that’s his prerogative. To me, it’s enough that we make that shift and let the consequences take us where they will—simply identifying so strongly with the downtrodden that we no longer accept our share of the scraps from the Owners’ table while others unnecessarily go hungry would bring about sudden, massive change.

One last and blisteringly hopeful item from the Wiki page on de Chardin is directed at us in particular:

There is a Dilbert comic strip in which Dogbert postulates that since everything develops from simpler forms to more complex forms, a supreme being must be our future, not our origin. His idea is that God must be the entity that will be formed when enough people are connected by the Internet. (Pretty heavy responsibility, eh?)

There are two more links in this chain for those interested, but this is the gist of what I was trying to say in all those comments I’ve made on this thread. For those who want the full treatment, the final link in the WikiChain is to Terence McKenna’s Novelty theory, where we find that the cosmic trick/tripster is already down with the Fractal Universe:

The timewave itself is a combination of numerology and mathematics. It is formed out of McKenna's interpretation and analysis of numerical patterns in the King Wen sequence of the I Ching (the ancient Chinese "Book of Changes"). This concept first took root in his entheogenic experiences shared by him and his brother Dennis McKenna as documented in the book True Hallucinations. The theory is clearly based in numerology and takes shape out of McKenna's belief that the sequence is artificially arranged as such purposefully.

Mathematically, the sequence is graphed according to a set of mathematical ratios, and displays a fractal nature as well as resonances, although it was not captured in a true formula until criticism from mathematician Matthew Watkins. McKenna interpreted the fractal nature and resonances of the wave, as well as his theory of the I Ching's artificial arrangement, to show that the events of any given time are recursively related to the events of other times.

Most lastly, and back to Mark, we go outside the Fasci-Wiki to Robert Anton Wilson’s theory of The Jumping Jesus Phenomenon.

Slartibartfast lives, indeed.

In the section called Malthus, Machiavelli, and Pop-Ecology, Wilson ties these three bad guys of the Current Mess together in much the same way that Anthony Sutton does, even though he and Sutton come from very different orientations along that all-important/completely fake Left/Right political spectrum.

When I said above that the peasants are unnecessarily starving, this is more or less what I had in mind. The following is an extreme data dump, for which I apologize, so just scroll on by if you’re not interested. I only include it because it ties together so many of the things I was saying about couch dissent, common cause with poor folks, and the importance of the myth of scarcity in keeping the lid on our nascent freedom:

[True] Ecological science, like all science, is relativistic, evolutionary, and progressive; that is, it regards all generalizations as hypothetical and is always ready to revise them. It seeks truth, but never claims to have obtained all truth.

Pop ecology, or ecological mysticism, is the reverse in all respects. It is absolutist, dogmatic, and fanatical. It does not usually refer its arguments back to ecological science (except vaguely and often inaccurately); it refers them to emotions, moral judgements, and the casual baggage of ill-assorted ideas that make up pop culture generally. Ecological mysticism, in short, is only rhetorically connected with the science of ecology, or any science; it is basically a crusade, a quasi-religion, an ideology
.....It is my suspicion that the usefulness of the ideology to the ruling elite is no accident....The tax-exempt foundations which largely finance Pop Ecology are funded by the so-called Yankee Establishment -- the Eastern banking-industrial interests of whom the Rockefellers are the symbols. If this Yankee financing is not "coincidental" and "accidental" (based on purely disinterested charity)--if the ecological-mystical movement is serving Yankee Banker interests--a great deal of current debate is based on deliberately created mutual misunderstanding

...Consider the following widely-published and widely believed propositions: "There isn't enough to go around." "The Revolution of Rising Expectations, since the 18th Century, was based on fallacy." "Reason and Science are to be distrusted; they are the great enemies." "We are running out of energy." "Science destroys all it touches." "Man is vile and corrupts Nature." "We must settle for Lowered Expectations."

Whether mouthed by the Club of Rome or Friends of the Earth, this ideology has one major social effect: people who are living in misery and deprivation, who might otherwise organize to seek better lives, are persuaded to accept continued deprivation, for themselves and their children.

That such resignation to poverty, squalor, disease, misery, starvation, etc. is useful to ruling elites has frequently been noted by Marxists a propos pre-ecological mysticism; and, indeed, people can only repeat the current neo-puritan line by assuming that the benefit to the Yankee oligarchy is totally accidental and not the chief purpose of the promulgation of this ideology.
"I don't think humanity deserves to survive," stated one letter to Co-Evolution Quarterly. ....The only rationale for continuing the neo-puritan Lowered Expectations, in the light of these data, would be (a) to prove that Fuller, Gabel and their associates have been fudging or corrupting their figures--a demonstration none of the eco-puritans have attempted; or (b) a blunt assertion that most of humanity deserves to live in misery.

...For perspective,it should be remembered that the ideology of Lowered Expectations arrived on the historical scene immediately after the upsurge of Rising Expectations. That is, after the Utopian hopes of the American Declaration of Independence and the French Declaration of the Rights of Man, almost as if in reaction, an employee of the British East India Company, Thomas Malthus, created the first "scientific" argument that the ideals of those documents could never be achieved. Malthus had discovered that at his time world population was growing faster than known resources, and he assumed that this would always be true, and that misery would always be the fate of the majority of humanity.

The first thing wrong with Malthus's science is that "known resources" are not given by nature; they depend on the analytical capacities of the human mind. We can never know how many resources can be obtained from a cubic foot of the universe: all we know is how much we have found thus far, at a given date. You can starve in the middle of a field of wheat if your mind hasn't identified wheat as edible. Real Wealth results from Real Knowledge, which is increasing faster all the time.

Thus the second thing wrong with Malthus' scenario is that it is no longer true. Concretely, more energy has been found in every cubic foot of the universe than Malthus ever imagined; and, as technology has spread, each nation has spontaneously experienced a lowered birth rate after industrializing.

Unfortunately, between the 18th century inventory of Malthus and the 20th century inventory of Fuller et al., the Malthusian philosophy had become the pragmatic working principle of the British ruling class, and a bulwark against French and American radicalism. Malthusianism-plus-Machiavellianism was then quickly learned by all ruling classes elsewhere which wished to compete with the British for world domination. This was frankly acknowledged by the "classical" political economists of that period, following Ricardo, which led to economics being dubbed "the dismal science" Benjamin Jowett, an old-fashioned humanist, voiced a normal man's reaction to this dismal science: "I have always felt a certain horror of political economists since I heard one of them say that he feared the famine of 1848 [in Ireland] would not kill more than a million people, and that would scarcely be enough to do much good." In fact, the English rulers allowed the famine to continue until it killed more than two million.

In the 1920's, Karl Haushofer studied Malthusian-Machiavellian political economy in England with Prof. H.J. Mackinder--whose cold-blooded global thinking coincidentally inspired Bucky fuller to begin thinking globally but more humanistically. Haushofer took the most amoral aspects of Makinder's geopolitics, mingled them with Vril Society occultism, and forged the philosophy of Realpolitik, which Hitler adopted as part of the official Nazi ideology. the horror of the Nazi regime was so extreme that few ruling classes dare express the Malthusian-Machiavellian philosophy openly anymore, although if is almost certainly the system within which they do their thinking.

As expressed openly by British political economists in the 19th century, and maniacally by the Nazis, Realpolitik says roughly, "Since there isn't enough to go around, most people must starve. In this desperate situation, who deserves to survive and live in affluence? Only the genetically superior. We will now demonstrate that we are the genetically superior, because we are smart enough and bold enough to grab what we want at once.”

Since the fall of Hitler, this combination of Malthus and Machiavelli is no longer acceptable to most people. A more plausible, less overtly vicious Malthusianism is needed to justify a system in which a few live in splendor and the majority are condemned to squalor. THIS IS WHERE POP ECOLOGY COMES IN.

The pop ecologists now state the Malthusian scenario for the ruling elite, since it sounds self-serving when stated by the elite. There is an endless chorus of "There isn't enough to go around...Our hopes and ideals were all naive and impossible... Science has failed...We must all make sacrifices," etc., until Lowered Expectations are drummed into everybody's head.

Of course, when it comes time to implement this philosophy through action, it always turns out that the poor [those making $200,000 or less] are the ones who have to make the sacrifices, not the elite. But this is more or less hidden, unless you are watching the hands that moves the pea from cup to cup, and if you do notice it, you are encouraged to blame "those damned environmentalists."

Thus, the elite gets what it wants, and anybody who doesn't like it is maneuvered by the media into attributing this to the science of ecology, the cause of environmentalism, or Ralph Nader." "The Ultimate implications of eco-mysticism are explicitly stated in Theodore Roszak's "Where the Wasteland Ends". Roszak argues that science is psychologically harmful to anybody who pursues it and culturally destructive to any nation which allows it. In short, he would take us back, not just to a medieval living standard, but to a medieval religious tyranny where those possessing what he calls gnosis -- the Illuminati -- would be entirely free of nagging criticism based on logic or experiment.

The Inquisition would not try Galileo in Roszak's ideal eco- society; a man like Galileo simply would not be allowed o exist. the similarity to the notions of Haushofer and the Vril society is unnerving." "(On the Vril Society, see L. Pauwels and J. Bergier, "Morning of the Magicians". On the parallels between the Vril society and Roszakian pop ecology, see the excellent novel, "The Speed of Light", by Gwyneth Cravens.)

Or consider this quotation from Pop Ecologist Gary Snyder, “But what I'm talking about is not what critics immediately call 'the Stone Age.'” As Dave Brower, the founder of Friends of the Earth, is fond of saying, “Heck, no, I'd just like to go back to the 20's.” Which isn't an evasion because there was almost half the existing population then, and we still had a functioning system of public transportation." ("City Miner", spring 1979)

In short, Snyder wants to "get rid of" two billion people. Those who believe that none of the Pop Ecologists realize that their proposals involve massive starvation for the majority should consider this question profoundly. Benjamin Jowett, who experienced horror at the deliberate starvation of one million Irishmen, would have no words to convey his revulsion of this proposed genocide of millions.

In this context, note that the only ideology opposing eco-Puritanism usually well-represented by the mass media is that of the Cowboys-new Western wealth, which is still naive and barbaric in comparison to the Yankee establishment. the cowboy response to Pop Ecology, as to any idea they don't like, is simply to bark and growl at it; their candidate, now in the White House, is famous for allowing vast destruction of California's magnificent redwoods on the grounds that "if you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all."

Other and more intelligent criticisms of Pop Ecology, such as have come form some Marxists and some right-wing libertarians, are simply ignored by the media, with the consequence that ecological debate--as far as the general public knows it--is, de facto, debate between the Yankees and the Cowboys. Once again, it may be "happy coincidence" that keeps the debate on that level is just what the elite wants, or it may be more than a "happy coincidence." "George Bernard Shaw once noted that an Englishman never believes anybody is moral unless they are uncomfortable. To the extent that Pop Ecology shares this attitude and wishes to save our souls by making us suffer, it is just another of the many forms of Puritanism.

To the extent, however, that it insists that abundance for all is impossible (in an age when, for the first time in history, such abundance is finally possible) it merely mirrors ruling class anxieties. "The ruling class elite shares the "Robin Hood" myth with most socialists; they do not think it is possible to feed the starving without first robbing the rich.
Perhaps these ruling class terrors and the supporting cult of Pop Ecology will wither away when it becomes generally understood that abundance for all literally means abundance for all ; that, in Fuller's words, modern technology makes it possible to advantage everybody without disadvantaging anybody.

In this context, look for a minute at some very interesting words from Glenn T. Seaborg, representative Yankee bureaucrat, former chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission: "American society will successfully weather its crises and emerge in the 1990's as a straight and highly disciplined, but happier society. Today's violence, permissiveness and self-indulgence will disappear as a result of a series of painful shocks, the first of which is the current energy crises...Americans will adjust to these shortages with a quiet pride and a Spartan-like spirit. "

Is it necessary to remark that phrases like "highly disciplined" and "Spartan-like" have a rather sinister ring when coming from ruling class circles? Does anybody think it is the elite who will be called upon to make "Spartan" sacrifices? Is it not possible that the eco-mysticism within this call for neo-fascism is a handy rationalization for the kind of authoritarianism that all elites everywhere always try to impose? And is there any real world justification for such medievalism on a planet where, as Fuller has demonstrated, 99.99999975 percent of the energy is not yet being used?

We live in an age of artificial scarcity, maintained by ignorance and fear. The government has been paying farmers not to grow food for fifty years--while millions starve. Labor unions, business and government conspire to hold back the microprocessor revolution-- because none of them know how to deal with the massive unemployment it will cause. (Fuller's books could tell them.) The utilities advertise continually that "solar power is at least forty years in the future" when my friend Karl Hess, and hundreds of others already live in largely solar powered houses. These propaganda advertisements are just a delaying action because the utilities still haven't figured out how to put a meter between us and the sun.

And Pop Ecology, perhaps only by coincidence, keeps this madness going by insisting that scarcity is real, and nobody wonders why the Establishment pays the bill for making superstars of these merchants of gloom.

10/08/2007 03:01:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

IC, I didn't live in small town America.

I lived in an ethnically diverse neighborhood 5 minutes from downtown Pittsburgh.

My point was that fairly self-sufficient neighborhoods existed 30 years ago, but they've been supplanted by strip malls & Wal-marts.
30 years ago it was very possible to survive without a pollution spewing automobile. Now it is practically impossible.

30 years ago public transit was a viable alternative to car ownership but now it is a soon to be extinct dinosaur.

Americans & their orgasmic sexual fixation with cars allowed that to happen.

I never said it was a particularly equal society but neither is todays.

I also suspect that your "brave new world" will have its outcasts too, although I doubt you'd ever admit it.

I have to give you credit in proving Shrub's point that you do tend to twist things to your own viewpoint.

I think I'll just return to posting quotes from others. That way when you play Twister with the text, you'll be playing with someone other than me.

BTW, thanks for the literary lesson on Clarke. Personally I've always found him to be an uninteresting hack. I guess I didn't realize he was head propagandist for the New World Order also.

Also, sorry if my idiotic expectation about that news story lessened your already low opinion of me but that's the way the cookie crumbles.
It was a momentary burst of hope on my part.
Those don't happen often, but when they do, I'll be sure to keep them to myself.

10/08/2007 05:14:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

The following quotation from one of Jeff's links..

"Only under the most compelling moral circumstances will a monk refuse the alms that have been offered, as to do so is to Refuse to acknowledge the alms-giver as a part of the religious community. It amounts to an act of excommunication. However, the view of monks in Burma today is that such an extraordinary moment has arrived."

The buck stops here.

And when it does, there will be plenty. Canadian Pacific Railway has doubled it's track whereever it could and whereever it could get away with it. It's only a matter of time when this railway that now owns a swath of land that forms a cross from Mexico to Nunavut....... Vancouver to Halifax..... will be owned and operated by a multinational corporation that will implement a global economy that requires the decimation of every small economy in it's wake.

And what do we have to show for it? MONEY!

10/08/2007 05:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


My take is a bit different than your's. I see them as wanting something that they themselves did not possess. If the stories are true about SF The Sissy, and not just myth, he always possessed the traits that made him appear special to others who didn't possess those traits. They coveted what made him special for themselves....and isn't that so like human behavior? "I want to be special like him and/or her." In otherwords, eschewing the material and embracing poverty was merely a means to attain what really would and could never be their's. In the end, their pacification of the poor only served to cement the poor's status as victims when you consider the hierarchical context from which they were operating. Show me a victim and I'll show you a servant.

10/08/2007 09:01:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Richard, liking or disliking Hoagland has nothing to do with it.

Just picking four space oddities from the wealth of oddities about it,

[1] it's hard to ignore straight 100-mile-long facets comprise the surface of 'the moon Iapetus' (for lack of another word for it), or that instead of rotating and revealing the same "Saturn shine" (light reflection from Saturn) in pictures, it rotates and reveals wider straight edge facets then as it rotates some more shallower "Saturn shine". If it was round, the Saturn shine would be constant over any day you look at it. Though this is not the case.

[2] or that the radar analysis of that 'moon' is the only hidden part of the whole Cassini mission,

[3] hexagonal 'craters', and the same size craters pocketing the same latitudes at regular intervals.

[4] specific gravity of 'Iapaetus thingy' is barely over the specific gravity of a same size sphere of water! It's not a very dense moon, that's for sure, and it is thus uncomparably lighter and less dense than any other known thing in the solar system for its size.

Putting just these issues together means it's likely hollow. The other thing it means is that present-day Galileo's (like Hoagland, reviled like Galileo was reviled in his time? or anyone putting observation before theory/dogma?) are not going to be featured on the dogmatic evening news.

Look, when NASA has been caught intentionally 'redding out' the Martian planet and atmosphere to disguise a Martian environment that looks a bit like Arizona with blue clear sky, popular dogma about the solar system vetted through NASA priests for the global laity is not to be trusted. As the Hoagland pages note, amateur astronomers have more viewing power now than Mt. Palomar did. Read the book of the sky for yourself.

IC said:

In the section called Malthus, Machiavelli, and Pop-Ecology, Wilson ties these three bad guys of the Current Mess together in much the same way that Anthony Sutton does, even though he and Sutton come from very different orientations along that all-important/completely fake Left/Right political spectrum."

Interesting data dump. Thanks.

I elaborated here something similar--about the limited media propaganda that drives popular discourse in the 'globalist elite-run ecological movement' as so much the same old US/UK eugenics-artificial scarcity movement. It intentionally ignores other strands of the ecological movement (mentioned at the link) that seem far more sustainable, democratic, and fecund.

These long term rich "Malthusian Machiavellians" (nice and accurate phrase) in your repost, IC, do jump from justifying their actions on "economic protection and eugenics" into greencoating the same policies as suddenly ecologically required. To be fair to Malthus and the populationists their model was integrating environmental degradation though it was integrating it as an argument why (political policy induced, Late Victorian Holocausts and the Invention of the Third Worldand all that) famines were natural and environmental degradation was thus natural, not because they were concerned about environmental degradation. What they wanted to "prove" was that wasting their money on social betterment was ' self-defeating by natural law'--with that natural law popularized courtesy of the British Empire's monopoly corporation idea of what 'natural laws' were useful to popularize to keep their power.

Thus we end up with a Third World.

The Mike Davis book link above for Late Victorian Holocausts is painfully accurate. I think it leaves out the more telling point about the present day: that the whole planet is being pushed into a Third World category by a small unrepresentative group of plane-hopping financial elites hiding out in a small number of global cities running the planet despite growing planetary agreement toward a different path.

'Paris, New York, Londres, Los Angeles,' (<--- ah, cinema, 4:13 min.) don't interest 3 billion des humains slated for starvation or death.

10/09/2007 12:55:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Thanks, Mark!


I didn’t “twist your words around”—what is going on around here? If I pick up on what someone mentions, does that mean that I’m identifying them with either what they’ve said or the point I’m trying to make (which might be completely unrelated)? Why is everything in such permanent, constipated debate mode? I really was not trying to “prove you wrong” or any such thing. What’s more, I agree with your observations about the changes that have taken place in urban America in our lifetimes.

The places I was writing about, where I grew up, on the Northwest Side of Chicago, are not “small town America”. Why are folks here so touchy of late about anyone riffing off something they mention?

Let me reiterate: I’m not debating something you said or some position you hold. I’m just taking a hit of your thoughtstream and improvising my own solo—it’s not a battle of the bands, it’s a freeform jazzmeme festival. (Or at least that’s how I’m playing it.)

As far as Clarke as propagandist for the NWO, I’d probably phrase it a little differently. Maybe a young writer making friends with anti-communist, anti-collective consciousness forces. Consider the time frame here. Lots of establishment types were very threatened by de Chardin in the ‘50s—he wasn’t exactly well received by the Vatican, either. There’s not really any need to call those forces with whom Clarke was making friendly the “New World Order” (other than to give it the cheap veneer of conspiracy thinking)—it was and is very much the Existing World Order. Same as it ever was.

One interesting element I left out of the description of the alien overlords who come to “help our evolution along” is that the reason they’re so shy about showing themselves to us is that they have pointy ears, pointy tails, reddish skin and cloven hooves. Communist devils or mere coincidence—who can say? (Clarke explains it as “racial memory” from our previous, historical encounters and/or psychic intuition of their arrival throughout history.)

Anyway, lighten up, brother. I’m not out to “twist your words”—you just reminded me of other things with your comment. ‘S okay?


That’s a danger of “embracing poverty,” out of superficial, even petty motives, I suppose (marking the poor as “victims”), but I don’t think those very modern characterizations can be applied to Francis so easily. Twelfth century Europe didn’t exactly have an Oprah; celebrity cults didn’t work quite the same way. Tom Cruise would have been drawn & quartered for jumping on the Queen’s sofa, much less for espousing Dianetic heresies.

When modern celebrities do a photo op in a soup kitchen, that’s pretty much all there is. Francis—and those who followed him were something very, very different, from everything I’ve read. In Spoto’s book, which I heartily recommend, btw, as it really is a great read, Francis comes across as a very complex character. His life was much more like the Buddha’s than Mother Theresa’s or Princess Di’s.

He was a party animal at a time when such things weren’t well tolerated. Music, wine, women, intoxicating & incendiary verse (and even hints of some more esoteric substances) were the young Francis’ main interests, which caused his respectable father deep & dangerous embarrassment. When the rebel finally crossed the line so far that the old man had to save some face in order to save his own ass, he stripped Francis of everything: his inheritance, his home, even his clothes.

Instead of playing the spoiled rich kid and begging for another chance, Francis has this strange epiphany about the phoniness of societal convention (he’d been having some very strange visions of/visits from angels who kept badgering him about architecture, of all things) and tells the old man to keep his worthless wealth and goes out—naked—to rebuild the world, one mystical ruined church, one peasant hovel at a time.

Then, even stranger things start happening. His weird buildings are somehow miraculously “blessed,” the people living in them are “mysteriously happy,” he’s happy doing his thing—again, he’s no priest, he takes orders from no one—and this is such a shocking departure from the status quo that people start waking up from the bad dream that is their lives…

You can see why Francis’ story is inspiring to me and even relevant to our times. The notion that he was some sort of charlatan and that his groupies were shallow hangers-on, especially in the modern sense of these things, doesn’t square at all with what I’ve read. This doesn’t mean that I’m not wrong. Maybe I am. On the other hand, if that story works for me, than it’s a better extended meme than many of the ones for sale now and the price is right—I’m already broke.

I suppose the real acid test would be whether I still felt as I do about the world after I came into some small fortune, but the odds of conducting that experiment appear vanishingly small. Not that I’m unwilling to try it, mind you--let me know if you find any reputable scientists willing to investigate the evolution of my ethics in the face of prosperity. Of course, in a world of abundance we'd all be facing that test...

10/09/2007 01:27:00 AM  
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10/09/2007 05:55:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Brainpanhandler said....

"I believe that if humanity could come back to it's most natural state, if we could reintegrate our view of ourselves and acknowledge and accept our humaness, intact, without dicing ourselves up into artificial categories (except for the purpose of thinking about ourselves, something much different than being ourselves)we could eliminate much of man's inhumanity to man."

This seems similar to the Taoist project of finding ones original nature. For my part I examine my experience as a basic learning tool, rather than gathering information to justify my worldview.

Hey Dick,....Misrepresentations? Pah! Get a fucking life, instead of slamming the efforts of others for sport.

10/09/2007 07:02:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Sounder...Don't pick on Richard. He's very sensitive to that kind of thing.

IC..If we could just generate electricity from that "heat magnet" you carry around.. HMMM?

As Rodney King is fond of saying "Why can't we all just get along?"

But don't put those words in my mouth. I enjoy the conflict as long it stays on the screen and doesn't move out to the street.

10/09/2007 08:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For my part I examine my experience as a basic learning tool, rather than gathering information to justify my worldview.

Hey Dick,....Misrepresentations? Pah! Get a fucking life, instead of slamming the efforts of others for sport.

Let's see if you can isolate the stark inconsistency in these two juxtaposed statements. Come on, now, you're a Deep Thinker, so surely you can figure it out. I bet brain's figured it out already.

10/09/2007 08:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yet another example of the Vampirism I alluded to earlier.

So I guess we should all remember, the vampires can't get you unless you invite them in.

Apply that easier said than done mantra to this latest act of despotism. Can you blame these poor women for inviting the Vamp's in?

These Vampires want more than the blood in our veins...they also want the marrow in our bones.

10/09/2007 11:54:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...


That was very well thought. You managed to explicate the dangers of schism-as-worldview (that old dualism thing that started this subthread), while at the same time qualifying this view of Francis’ life as an oversimplification. Very nicely done.

I also find the idea of denying the material manifestation of our existence to be a very dangerous idea, but the “healthy” alternatives don’t fit very well within our conceptual frameworks—it’s largely uncharted territory. According to the experts, our only choice is between the old Cartesian material/spiritual world-split, and a monism that denies the spiritual altogether.

If you go outside these recognized parameters, there are some frameworks which offer alternatives, especially in mystical circles, but then we’re venturing into “the Occult.” Meister Eckhart is probably the greatest example of this school, although Rumi and many of the Buddhist saints (might as well add Alan Watts at this point) also tread the path of No-thing, which (of course) is everything.

The phrase which got Meister Eckhart in the most hot water (or is excommunication cold?) was this one:

"The eye with which I see God is the same eye with which He sees me. Mine eye and God's eye are one eye and one sight and one knowledge and one love."

He says all sorts of other, apparently blasphemous things like:

In every work, bad as well as good, the glory of God is equally manifested.

A man who prays for any particular thing prays for an evil and prays ill, for he prays for the negation of good and the negation of God, and that God may be denied to him.

God is honoured in those who have renounced everything, even holiness and the kingdom of heaven.

And he even appears to have attracted a great many girl groupies. There’s a website that explains all this pretty even-handedly—the Christian Classics Ethereal Library—where we learn some of the very scant details of the Maestro’s life. His first audiences were nuns who, for reasons that are unclear, hadn’t been very closely supervised during the early decades of the 13th century. This was a very strange time for the Church—from the 10th through the early 14th centuries, a great deal of mystical energy was swirling throughout Europe and the rest of the world, perhaps in preparation for the bloodbath of the great divide of which we now speak. Until the heresies were rooted out and smashed, like the famous case of Jacques Molay and the Cathars & Templars that everyone makes so much noise about these days.

Before the boot came down, however, you had unordained mystics like Francis of Assisi and even many influential women like Hildegard of Bingen, Julian of Norwich, and Mechthild of Magdeburg. Mechthild, a contemporary of both Francis and Eckhart (and maybe even a bridge between the two in many ways) embodies both the split between the body and the spirit and the (re)unification of the two. She preached the “unimportance” and “transitory nature” of the flesh and yet she also wrote erotic love songs—a paradox you find running through all these mystical types.

I’ve got a link here that talks about where Mechthild’s ideas came from and, if it’s to be trusted (at least as much as anything else in this transparent world), the story goes way, way back. All the way to Sumer, in fact, where all roads seem to lead once you start digging into this stuff. (That Stephenson book I was reading the other day, Snow Crash, is very much based on the Sumerian memes of word-as-creation, civilization-as-virus, etc.) The author of this piece on the origins of Mechthild’s thinking cites this very odd story:

Our present conceptual grid did not emerge full blown let alone, if I may here risk waving a red flag (although it is a sign of my esteem for this august audience that I do not suppose for a moment that your are likely to regard the allusion in this light), from the head of Zeus – and if it did, would that make us think it superior to a set of concepts that proceeded from his loins, or from those of his female consort? Where did it begin? And how did it come to be conceived as it is now?

The seeds of our present thought about Body and the body were first sown many centuries ago, long before the Greeks who are sometimes credited with (or blamed for) the mind/body split. We read in the Enuma Eliş, an Akkadian creation myth, that in the beginning, when neither the heavens nor the earth had been named, the great Mother Tiamat, “She who bore them all,” existed in a kind of primordial soup, with Apsu, “their begetter.” From out of the absolute stillness of this prima materia, in which Tiamat and Apsu “commingled as a single body,” emerged Lahmu and Lahamu.” [7] At first, Lahmu and Lahamu participate harmoniously in the undifferentiated modality from which they emerged and in each other, but several generations later they become increasingly differentiated, and the former serenity of the primordial condition gradually becomes disrupted.

Apsu begins to plot ways to do in his noisy offspring, and when Timat hears of this, she become horrified at the prospect of killing what they had brought into being. Although Apsu is eventually killed by one of his children who discovered the plans that were underway, a fully developed feud had already been launched. On one side, we find Tiamat and her allies, on the other, Marduk, a direct descendant of the primordial “She who bore them all.” Tiamat is now described as a monster, and is considered the embodiment of chaos. Marduk, on the other hand, is destined to become the creator of the world, of order, and is charged with the task of vanquishing Tiamat. After driving the Evil Wind” into her body, he

"released the arrow, it tore her belly, cut through her insides, splitting the heart. Having thus subdued her, he extinguished her life /and/ cast down her carcass to stand upon it. Then the lord paused to view her dead body, that he might divide the monster and do artful works. He split her like a shellfish into two parts."

Marduk then proceeded to create the world from pieces of her body.

Here you’ve got order-out-of-chaos (both a Masonic slogan and the self-organization of the morphogenesis/Fractal Universe/neo-Pythagorean school) and many other apparent dichotomies (body/spirit, male/female, etc.) What ties them all together is…Nothing.

Well, not nothing as we normally think of it, but the Nothing of the mystics and, strangely enough, the most adventurous of today’s physicists. The trouble with thinking about the union of all things is that our minds have become such binary, bicameral houses-divided-against themselves. Because these apparent paradoxes seem so strange to our binocular vision, we tend to get frustrated with the paradox at the heart of these things and dismiss them with Kung Fu Grasshopper jokes.

And yet, on an intuitive, nonverbal level, we do sort of understand what the holy fools have been telling us with their crazy wisdom, or we would if we could just let go of our perceptual certainties long enough to absorb the meaning behind the riddles.

Those unsupervised nuns in Strassburg who hung out with Meister Eckhart seemed to get it, as we see in this passage from the Ethereal Libray link:

A curious poem, written by a Dominican nun of this period, celebrates the merits of three preachers, the third of whom is a Master Eckhart, "who speaks to us about Nothingness. He who understands him not, in him has never shone the light divine."

This is Alan Watts; this is Nirvana. (Actually, Watts gets two links: one for Nothing, and one for Everything.)

And, if I might end on the same riddlesome, mystical note (again from the Ethereal Library), this is one way of seeing the discorporation and reintegration of body & spirit that makes sense…if you open yourself to it (and yes, you were right upfield, Brainpanhandler—of course my own experiences with pain have colored my vision. Could it really be any other way?):

The creatures are a way from God; they are also a way to Him. "In Christ," he says, "all the creatures are one man, and that man is God." Grace, which is a real self-unfolding of God in the soul, can make us "what God is by Nature"—one of Eckhart's audacious phrases, which are not really so unorthodox as they sound. The following prayer, which appears in one of his discourses, may perhaps be defended as asking no more than our Lord prayed for (John xvii.) for His disciples, but it lays him open to the charge, which the Pope's bull did not fail to urge against him, that he made the servant equal to his Lord. "Grant that I, by Thy grace, may be united to Thy Nature, as Thy Son is eternally one in Thy Nature, and that grace may become my nature."

The ethical aim is to be rid of "creatureliness," and so to be united to God. In Eckhart's system, as in that of Plotinus, speculation is never divorced from ethics. On our side the process is a negative one. All our knowledge must be reduced to not-knowledge; our reason and will, as well as our lower faculties, must transcend themselves, must die to live. We must detach ourselves absolutely "even from God," he says. This state of spiritual nudity he calls "poverty." Then, when our house is empty of all else, God can dwell there: "He begets His Son in us." This last phrase has always been a favourite with the mystics. St Paul uses very similar language, and the Epistle to Diognetus, written in the second century, speaks of Christ as, "being ever born anew in the hearts of the saints." Very characteristic, too, is the doctrine that complete detachment from the creatures is the way to union with God.

Jacob Böhme
("the body is the spirit's mother") has arrived independently at the same conclusion as Eckhart. "The scholar said to his master: How may I come to the supersensual life, that I may see God and hear Him speak? The master said: When thou canst throw thyself but for a moment into that place where no creature dwelleth, then thou hearest what God speaketh. The scholar asked: Is that near or far off? The master replied: It is in thee, and if thou canst for a while cease from all thy thinking and willing, thou shalt hear unspeakable words of God. The scholar said: How can I hear, when I stand still from thinking and willing? The master answered: When thou standest still from the thinking and willing of self, the eternal hearing, seeing, and speaking will be revealed to thee, and so God heareth and seeth through thee."


IC..If we could just generate electricity from that "heat magnet" you carry around.. HMMM?

Well, Mr. Cryptic, I perceive my "heat magnet" as a sort of involuntarily installed antenna, but if it could be tapped for the common good, then feel free to uninstall this program—I don’t much care for it anyway.

10/09/2007 12:24:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Hey IC,

If you could cease from all thy thinking and willing of self with a walloping dose of ayahuasca, you might be able to cure your ills and come back with a story of a shamanic journey that would dazzle us all. Too bad you can't just go down to the local Dairy Queen and pick up a shamanic milkshake to go....

10/09/2007 12:55:00 PM  
Blogger messianicdruid said...

"The establishment {and RI} has fallen back on their second line of defense: they ridicule him as a "kook," a "loon," and even a "bigot" – in short, they're trotting out the same attack strategy they used to target another rebel against the party establishment, true-blue conservative-slash libertarian Barry Goldwater.

Back in 1964, when the electorate was still in thrall to the gatekeepers' media machine, this tactic was quite effective. Today, however, this ploy has the effect of underscoring the depth of Paul's challenge to the political status quo, thereby enhancing his appeal. It works rather like the concept of blowback in the foreign policy realm: just as U.S. military intervention invites an equal and opposite reaction from its overseas victims, so the intervention of our political elites against the rising Paulian grassroots insurgency guarantees his base of support will expand.

Ignore, ridicule, attack – we're about into the third phase, and I expect that will commence shortly. Perhaps as shortly as the next GOP debate, and certainly right after. The neoconservatives have been the target of Paul's scorn on several occasions, and he is likely to receive it back in kind before long. Aside from Jonah Goldberg's ill-informed renunciation of Robert A. Taft and a few bouts of snickering at The Corner, National Review has so far kept its trap shut tight about the Texas troublemaker, even going so far as to exclude him from their daily compilation of stories about the GOP primary campaign. I have the feeling, however, that their silence is about to end, and Ron is about to join the ranks of the "unpatriotic conservatives." After all, the neocons have to somehow stop the erosion of their base at the hands of someone who so clearly understands the role of neoconservatism as a cancer eating away at the heart of the GOP and the conservative movement.

In their view, Paul is falling for the line of the "Left" that America is fighting a futile war against forces it neither understands nor has any hope of controlling, and yet if this was truly a "leftist" idea one would imagine that the Left would come to Paul's defense – but, no. The same "Ron is nuts" meme being spread by neocon snarkers on the right side of the blogosphere is being echoed by the "center" liberal-left. You see, anyone who opposes the system that makes imperialism possible – the mercantilist, state-capitalist system of corruption that enriches the few at the expense of the many – is "crazy."

Maybe he's just crazy enough to think our rulers will let him, or anyone with a major public platform, get away with exposing the full extent of their corruption – and thank God for that.

The Good Doctor is not alone in prescribing a change – a radical change – in our stance toward the rest of the world. You're hearing it not only on the Washington cocktail party circuit, but around the office water cooler: it's time to start disengaging from the mess our interventionist policymakers have created, starting in the Middle East. In carrying this stance into the arena of GOP presidential politics, Ron is a libertarian-noninterventionist gladiator taking on several lions at once. The resulting knockdown drag-out battle, regardless of its outcome, is going to be fun to watch."

10/09/2007 01:41:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Too bad you can't just go down to the local Dairy Queen and pick up a shamanic milkshake to go....

Maybe not, Derek, but that’s what we have folks like you for: the antidote is yet another word (or a whole passel of ‘em, bound between shiny covers.)

Okay, I'll get back to work now--you know how these addictions are...but thanks for the advice!

Hey, messianicdruid,

I came down on old rebellious Ron, too, but for the opposite reason from what you suggest—namely, that his “revolution” can’t possibly touch the plutocrats, since his version of blowback can’t conceive of free market fundamentalism as the ultimate source of the cannibalism that’s eating up the planet right now. “A truly free Free Market” as the prescription for what ails us? Please. Can we say “scarcity” and “manipulation” in the same geopolitical sentence?

What is Mr. Paul’s view of the growing inequality between rich & poor? The mythical invisible hand will level the playing field by taking off all restrictions? I’m sure the Robber Barons are quaking in their seven-league boots.

The argument that it's only when the government acts to rein in business that the corruption occurs is so compelling. I've always noticed how compassionate empires are to the conquered.

To his credit, he is at least the only one willing to say the b-word in public--why can't he be honest enough to include all of what it entails in his definition? Kind of tastes like that modified limited hang out that's always on special.

10/09/2007 03:04:00 PM  
Blogger CuriosityShop said...

Someday when science catches up to spirituality, perhaps I won’t have to be a copy & paste artist. We can all do the Vulcan mind meld and my thoughts are your thoughts and my misunderstanding of your words and your misunderstanding of my words won’t get in the way.

Hopefully we won’t have to all become the Borg, though. Like Childhood’s End, a vast heaving hive mind. And Clarke made it very clear that although humans strive their whole lives for Utopia, it’s the last thing we really want.

Would we even recognize it if we had it? What would it look like, feel like, taste like, smell like?

So until someday…… I use other’s words to paint a picture of my thoughts.

Where Are You?

You aren’t the body. You’re the mind that is greater than the body, and that means you’re greater than the brain. So if your mind is greater than the brain, where are you? This chapter explains where. (This is from Chapter 2, a work in progress)

Science Doesn’t Know Where You Are
We’ll start by correcting a common misconception. You likely have the belief that science knows your mind is in the three to five pounds of fat and protein compressed inside your skull. That’s what you were taught in school.

But the fact is that neuroscience can’t explain how people have a conscious experience, where the mind is, what memories are, or where memories are stored. That's pretty remarkable considering that the brain has been carefully mapped using CT, MRI, PET, and EEGs to find out which parts of the brain fire when a person is performing activities. In spite of all the brain mapping that’s been done, they can’t find the mind and they can’t find memories.

Many neuroscientists are also saying that even if someone could locate mind and memories in the brain, that still wouldn't explain who has the conscious thought. In other words, yes there's a thought, but who is thinking? Who requested the thought? Yes, the brain fires when there's a thought, but we now know that the thought exists before the brain starts firing. How is that possible?

That’s known as the “problem of consciousness” or the “hard problem,” and all neuroscientists acknowledge it. They can’t find a mind or memories in the brain. Statements by a sampling of the neuroscientists illustrating this problem follow.

Stephan Patt, of the Institute of Pathology, Friedrich Schiller University in Germany, summarized the research on consciousness and the brain:

Nevertheless all these experiments and descriptions of brain activation processes do not explain how neural activity is the cause for consciousness. Likewise, all attempts which have been undertaken to specify the neurological mechanisms of consciousness in terms of neurobiological, information processing and even social theories of consciousness have failed to prove this causal relationship.[1]

Sir John Maddox, former editor-in-chief of the renowned journal Nature, summed up our knowledge of consciousness in a piece featured in the December 1999 issue of Scientific American:

Nobody understands how decisions are made or how imagination is set free. What consciousness consists of, or how it should be defined, is equally puzzling. Despite the marvelous success of neuroscience in the past century, we seem as far from understanding cognitive processes as we were a century ago.[2]

Stuart Hameroff, MD, a renowned researcher in neuroscience in the Department of Anesthesiology, Arizona Health Sciences Center, wrote,

Consciousness defines our existence and reality. But how does the brain generate thoughts and feelings? Most explanations portray the brain as a computer, with nerve cells ("neurons") and their synaptic connections acting as simple switches, or "bits" which interact in complex ways. In this view consciousness is said to "emerge" as a novel property of complex interactions among neurons, as hurricanes and candle flames emerge from complex interactions among gas and dust molecules. However this approach fails to explain why we have feelings and awareness, an "inner life". So we don't know how the brain produces consciousness.[3]

David Presti, Professor of Neurobiology, University of California-Berkeley, wrote,

Despite the awesome achievements of 20th-century neuroscience in increasing our knowledge about the workings of the human brain, little progress has been made in the scientific understanding of mental phenomena.[4]

David J.Chalmers Ph.D., Director of the Centre for Consciousness at the Australian National University., wrote in Scientific American:

Consciousness, the subjective experience of an inner self, could be a phenomenon forever beyond the reach of neuroscience. Even a detailed knowledge of the brain's workings and the neural correlates of consciousness may fail to explain how or why human beings have self-aware minds.[5]

Science simply doesn’t know how the mind is produced, where it’s located, or how and where it stores life memories. That has led to science starting to look elsewhere for the mind and memories.

Many Scientists Are Suggesting Your Mind Is Not in Your Brain
As a result of the fact that scientists can’t find the mind or memories in the brain, many are beginning to suggest that the mind isn’t in the brain at all.

Dr. Sam Parnia, a physician from Southampton General Hospital in England, has been studying near-death experiences among his patients. The results were published in the February 2001 issue of the journal Resuscitation and presented to a gathering of scientists at the California Institute of Technology in June 2001. Following is a segment of an interview he gave to Reuters:

The brain function these patients were found to have while unconscious is commonly believed to be incapable of sustaining lucid thought processes or allowing lasting memories to form, Parnia said — pointing to the fact that nobody fully grasps how the brain generates thoughts.

The brain itself is made up of cells, like all the body's organs, and is not really capable of producing the subjective phenomenon of thought that people have, he said.

He speculated that human consciousness may work independently of the brain, using the gray matter as a mechanism to manifest the thoughts, just as a television set translates waves in the air into picture and sound.

"When you damage the brain or lose some of the aspects of mind or personality, that doesn't necessarily mean the mind is being produced by the brain. All it shows is that the apparatus is damaged," Parnia said, adding that further research might reveal the existence of a soul.

From the alleged Gnostic Gospel of Bartholomew:

"Soon thereafter Jesus spoke of an old priest who was about to be made High Priest, who dreamed a dream: 'In the dream the old man had to fight his way with sword through many blind gods at the gated entrance of the Jerusalem temple. He cut through their numbers quickly and easily. He ran to the bronze sea where he was confronted by more blind gods. The gods fought savagely to bar his way, yet the old priest prevailed. He moved from there to the porch steps and there also blind gods awaited. He fought those as well and soon had a victory. On to the holy place he hurried, and fought nearly to his own demise the many blind gods lurking there. He dashed to the holy of holies, where the largest and most savage god of all confronted him, even the Lord of Hosts. 'I shall not let you pass, old one,' the Lord of Hosts vowed. 'You are blind!' shouted the old man, 'I shall not be defeated by a blind god!' With that declaration the old man plunged once more into the battle. For two hours they did battle, and when at last the Lord of Hosts lay dead at the old man's feet, and he himself was bleeding and exhausted, he staggered forth to the veil of the Holy of Holies. 'At last!' he cried out, 'I shall know the Truth!' The old man pulled aside the veil, and then stepped into the Holy of Holies. There he saw his own reflection in a mirror, the only object in the chamber. The highest Truth was unveiled to him that day.' "

And yes, ericswan, meeting my doppelganger is my heart's desire,

The Lovers is a confusing card as it is ruled not by an emotional water sign but by airy Gemini. The original trump featured a man and a woman with a cupid above them about to shoot his dart. Later this became three figures, the interpretation being a man choosing between two women, or a man meeting his true love with the help of a matchmaker. Still later, with Waite, we have an Angel above Adam and Eve. The Angel stands for Raphael, who is emblematic of Mercury and Air, planet and element of Gemini. Gemini is the communications sign. It's all about messages and making contact; also, as it is the twins, about finding your other self. In this regard, you can see that the Lovers begins to make sense. Especially if you change it back to "LOVE."

10/09/2007 05:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Richard,

Do me a favor and take a look at the link I provided above and let me know what you think. I'll tell you what I think before you do that. You can draw blood from a stone....and so much more.

Credit = Salvation

10/09/2007 07:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Title: External Qi of Yan Xin Qigong differentially regulates the Akt and extracellular signal-regulated kinase pathways and is cytotoxic to cancer cells but not to normal cells
Author(s): Yan X (Yan, Xin), Shen H (Shen, Hua), Jiang HJ (Jiang, Hongjian), Zhang CS (Zhang, Chengsheng), Hu D (Hu, Dan), Wang J (Wang, Jun), Wu XQ (Wu, Xinqi)
Document Type: Article
Language: English
Cited References: 63 Times Cited: 0 Find Related Records Information
Abstract: Long-term clinical observations and ongoing studies have shown significant antitumor effect of external Qi of Yan Xin Qigong which originated from traditional Chinese medicine. In order to understand the molecular and cellular mechanisms underlying the antitumor effect of external Qi of Yan Xin Qigong, we have examined its cytotoxic effect on BxPC3 pancreatic cancer cells and its effect on the Akt and extracellular signal-regulated kinase pathways. We found that external Qi of Yan Xin Qigong dramatically inhibited basal phosphorylation levels of Akt and extracellular signal-regulated kinases, epidermal growth factor-mediated phosphorylation of extracellular signal-regulated kinases, and phosphatidylinositol 3-kinase activity. External Qi of Yan Xin Qigong also inhibited constitutive and inducible activities of nuclear factor-kappa 13, a target of the Akt and epidermal growth factor receptor pathways. Furthermore, a single 5 min exposure of BxPC3 cells to external Qi of Yan Xin Qigong induced apoptosis, accompanied by a dramatic increase of the sub-G1 cell population, DNA fragmentation, and cleavage of caspases 3, 8 and 9, and poly(ADP-ribose) polymerase. Prolonged treatment with external Qi of Yan Xin Qigong caused rapid lysis of BxPC3 cells. In contrast, treatment of fibroblasts with external Qi of Yan Xin Qigong induced transient activation of extracellular signal-regulated kinases and Akt, and caused no cytotoxic effect. These findings suggest that external Qi of Yan Xin Qigong may differentially regulate these survival pathways in cancer versus normal cells and exert cytotoxic effects preferentially on cancer cells, and that it could potentially be a valuable approach for therapy of pancreatic carcinomas. (c) 2006 Elsevier Ltd. All rights reserved.
Author Keywords: Akt; ERK1/2; external Qi; Yan Xin Qigong; pancreatic cancer
Addresses: Yan X (reprint author), Inst Chongqing Trad Chinese Med, Chongqing, Peoples R China
Inst Chongqing Trad Chinese Med, Chongqing, Peoples R China
New Med Sci Res Inst, New York, NY 10107 USA
Harvard Univ, Sch Med, Massachusetts Gen Hosp, Boston, MA 02114 USA
Harvard Univ, Sch Med, Dana Farber Canc Inst, Boston, MA 02115 USA
Harvard Univ, Sch Med, Childrens Hosp, Boston, MA 02115 USA
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Subject Category: Biochemistry & Molecular Biology; Cell Biology

10/09/2007 07:27:00 PM  
Blogger messianicdruid said...

IC, I think you are still expecting too much from one guy. RP cannot solve the world's problems. All I want him to do is make the government follow the Constitution. We will have to do the rest. Just a little breathing room, that's all we should expect.

His grasp of economics is superior to anyone in the government, including all the so-called economists. I'm sure he's aware of the 'robber baron' types. Government welfare to these people is what must go away. He can do some of that from the top, we must do the rest by not playing their game; their money, their "products", their definitions. As long as we expect the government to do [MOST]everything for us we will receive the bill.

10/09/2007 07:41:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Boy shrub, I sure left you a big opening there. But I guess your rapier is not so sharp, eh? Well I suppose every general thinks they need their own Special Forces these days. Ho Hum.....sure not like the old days.

IC, as I recall, during the time of these mystics there were substantial women’s communities. This result of the crusades, unfortunately also later brought us shopping. Hehe... sorry ladies. Of course the resulting introspection produced some great works. Thanks for the brushup.

Yes CuriosityShop, good material. I think it reinforces the claim that consciousness precedes being.

10/09/2007 08:50:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...

IC, you mentioned Chicago burbs and Al Capone booze tunnels.
As a Chicagoan, I agree: the northwest burbs are a hideous nightmare of sprawl and will only get worse. The southwest burbs, near where I was brought up, are following suit with runaway developments. Five-story condos and Wal-Marts springing up in former cornfields … yecch.

They’re making a big show out of this so-called mob trial with a couple of old Italian guys with colorful nicknames, but everyone who’s got any sense knows that the real Outfit lives in the seats of government and the constellation of business/financial vultures and crooked lawyers that surround them. The Italian guys are just wannabes. What's the first thing they do when they get enough money? They go "legit" and open up a trucking business and then go to the city/state and get big contracts to do nothing.

The Chicago police have branched out too. One might be old-school Outfit, but the next might be Gangster Disciple or Vicelord … good healthy competition. Of a sort, anyway.

When my parents took me downtown as a kid I’d look through the sidewalk grates and see little narrow railroad tracks underneath, but my parents never knew what they were for…. I always wished I could open up the grate and climb down there and look around. Where are these other tunnels and how do you get into them?

10/09/2007 11:10:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...

Like many others later saint-ified, Francis was a good old-fashioned Christian who challenged the ecclesiastic order, but not in such a direct way that they were moved to kill him like they did other heretics. They left him alone, let him do his thing, and then later, co-opted him.

By the way, the papists have the "saint" thing (like so many things) all wrong. In the New Testament, all believers are called saints.

10/09/2007 11:39:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...

And yes, in a manner of speaking, the guy was a madman. Yet, no more mad than the Old Testament prophets (I recall one of them, maybe Ezekiel, received a word from Yahweh to get naked as a way of dramatizing his message.) Today, a prophet would be a poet/performance artist, only with a real message.

10/09/2007 11:43:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...

Thanks for the bit on Ron Paul, messianicd.

I was at a Ron Paul rally in Chicago the week before last, and for an evil racist he sure drew a good number of minorities, including myself. And who should I meet at the rally but an old friend and sometimes date, from years back -- a black woman artist/filmmaker? Not to mention that the three friends who I attended the rally with, are all artist types -- we know each other from open mics and gallery openings. Ron Paul explodes all the musty old categories and stereotypes like that. They don't know what to do with him ... the neocons just keep muttering "he's a liberal America-hater" while fossils on the left keep framing him as a closet neo-Nazi. The arguments cancel each other out.

10/09/2007 11:52:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Thanks, Ghoul for that rather verbose thing about Qigong. What I found particularly fascinating was what those Chinese researchers wrote argues that the Qigong frequencies 'work' in the body for healing through tickling the kinase pathways (which was my assumption about the Vibe machine's electro-frequencies for some of its effects). If this is gobbledygook for most, see above, or see this repost/clip from a previous RI comment of mine here from "Author, Author" where the comments were about cymatic frequencies, harmonies, and resonance:

...about 'pure tones' and current music,...more should know about....cymatics issues and vibration issues in health (or strange physics[s] into the presumed "Philadelphia Experiment, to the Hutchinson (harmonics) Effects, to Cold Fusion high frequency effects), to presumed crop circle diatonic scales [found] many of them in ...physical ratios of the patterns, to...cymatic frequency healing devices, to Qigong practitioner's hands emitting secondary sound waves they have found out that, when recorded and played back to hospital patients, heal faster (more on that below), etc. The healing (audial) touch?

[This would be so particularly if the nervous system does run on sound waves instead of electrical energy. Who has a link for that? I think IC posted a news story once about it? Can he repost it?

Moreover, something I came across indicates DNA transcription is activated by frequencies. So, think about such biophysical effects of meditation and chanting for long hours, instead of simply seeing it as a religious dogma.]

"The "Music and Harmonics" section above [at the link] talked of notes fitting ...into an 8-note scale and [ignored]...that this is actually unnatural [because it is] the harmonics [that are not octaves] that the human body and mind tend[s] to recognize as...pretty: fifths.

It's only fifths that are actually strangely human-mind felt harmonic and pretty (no one really can explain why), while octaves are just the same frequency doubled, without the various reverberatory tones of consonant notes like fifths (or thirds, fourths). Though it's fifths that humans tend to note as the prettiest, the world round....

[Any links are at the original link, see the link above. This is just the text once more]


"More purely created electronic harmonics are the basis of some interesting healing technologies invented in the past 30 years. Note the Qicong frequency generator as well1!

Cymatic Instruments in Sound Therapy

In Sound Therapy such devices are employed that utilize specific sound frequencies to achieve therapeutic benefits such as pain reduction or relaxation. Treatments from devices such as cymatic instruments and the Infratonic QGM today are being used worldwide.

The Infratonic QGM: The Machine That Produces Qi Energy

Lu Yan Fang, Ph.D., a senior scientist at the National Electro Acoustics Laboratory in Beijing, China, discovered that Qigong masters emitted from their hands high levels of waves called secondary sound. She constructed a machine that simulated this infratonic sound and tested it on over 1,100 hospitalized patients.

Numerous therapeutic benefits were noted, including pain reduction, headache relief, increased circulatory functioning, muscular relaxation, alleviation of depression, and increased brain production of alpha waves.

Her instrument, the Infratonic QGM, received awards of recognition from the China Ministry of Health and the National Committee for Traditional Chinese Medicine.

In China it is medically recognized as an effective pain management tool.

In the United States it is today pending FDA (Food and Drug Administration) approval for use as a therapeutic massage device.

Cymatic Therapy

Sir Peter Guy Manners, M.D., D.O., Ph.D., of Worcestershire, England, states that cymatic therapy is not applied through auditory channels, but directly through the skin.

Cymatic therapy uses sound waves within the audible range to stimulate natural regulatory and immunological systems, and to produce a near-optimum metabolic state for a particular cell or organ.

Dr. Manners says, every object, whether inanimate or alive, possesses a unique electromagnetic field that exhibits antagonistic, complimentary (resonant), or neutral reactions when it interacts with other electromagnetic fields.

Resonant equilibrium represents the healthy state (resonance may be defined as the frequency at which an object most naturally vibrates); illnesses is represented by resonant disequilibrium.

Cymatic therapy uses a computerized instrument to establish equilibrium in the body by transmitting resonant frequencies of sound into the body.

These signals pass through healthy tissues, but reestablish healthy resonance in unhealthy tissues.

Dr. Manners has researched the signals given out by healthy tissues [and utilized a particular Yale University researcher's previous work as well].

By intercepting [i.e., 'listening electronically to'] electrical messages transmitted via the central nervous system to individual cells, this research has allowed the [artificial] coding of cymatic signals that cells understand. [I think IC recently posted something about the nervous system running on sound waves, as much as electromagnetics, right?]

Each tissue has been given an H-factor (harmonic factor) according to the signal emitted.

The cymatic instrument adjusts acoustic audible sound frequencies in order to induce beneficial stimulation, activation [of what, DNA?], and circulation when applied to the body via direct contact with affected areas or by way of acupuncture meridians.

Cymatic therapy does not cure, but simply places the body in a situation so that it can cure itself without pain, surgery, or drugs.

Dr. Manners believes cymatic therapy for humans in the future will likely concentrate on the skin, peripheral nerves, and bone, since these are the areas capable of regeneration.

It may also be useful in organ transplantation, balancing the resonance of the transplanted organ with that of the recipient.

Cymatic instruments have been in use worldwide for over twenty-eight years, and have been in use in the United States since the late 1960s.

They are used by nurses, chiropractors, osteopaths, and acupuncturists throughout the world. Training is required to become a cymatic practitioner. Cymatic instruments produce no side effects, and the only contraindication for use is for patients with pacemakers.

[Here's a picture of one. Check the PDF on that page as well, for a list of particular coded "frequency symptoms correction chart". Here's a picture of a U.S. manufactured one, with the speaker unit that is held up to the body.]

The [electronic-audio based] Cymatic instrument, and (third) [electromagnetic, non-audio] Vibe Machine [<-- link, video interview with the inventor, Gene Koonce, 18 minutes] are three forms of electromagnetic/audio frequency healing technologies, based, basically, on what might be called music--and how different parts of our body vibrates either in sync with health or out of sync with ill health.

We’ve already gotten into DNA issues of frequency being activated (biophotonic light).

The Cymatic instrument is based on the physical fact that certain areas of the body have their own frequencies (a Yale University researcher did the basic research on this in the late 1960s and 1970s, which Sir Guy Peter Manners applied in his Cymatic instrument), and are ‘off’ in ill health.

I would theorize that the mechanism here is that righting different resonances in the body switches on DNA in special ways, just as the same way that audible chanting might do the same or singing, or music. (Though the Vibe Machine seems to give a jolt to the ATP cell energy manufacture, by correcting the body's intracellular frequency to allow the body to make ATP more efficiently, or at optimal health--which has according to some (currently anecdotal) even capacities to detoxify heavy metals from the body naturally when you are optimized. Gene Koonce is sort of a 21st century Raymond Royal Rife who isn't dead...and who has already mass produced his equipment and pollinated it around the world (thankfully), whereas Rife's machines were not mass manufactured and were soon killed off.

10/10/2007 01:05:00 AM  
Blogger Grail_Kat said...

If this doesn't rouse the couch dissenters, I can't imagine what will:

Domestic surveillance 'insects'

A photo worth a thousand words, no?

10/10/2007 01:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The author I very much enjoy reading your posts. I do not think poorly of you. When I have shared things before in some contrast to your mentality my meaning was not to belittle. Your experience with alternative practitioners is appreciated. With that written I'd like to share this with you. Maybe you will find this amusing.

Many books and films suggest that Hitler s assumption to power was somehow a result of his unfulfilled and frustrated desire to become an artist, with historians noting the importance of his Oedipal struggle with his father over his career choices. When young Adolph announced at the age of twelve that he wished to become an artist, his father s reported response was not as long as I live, or words to that effect. And in 1907 at the age of eighteen, Hitler failed in his drawing examination to obtain entrance into the Academy of Fine Arts in Vienna. He was unable to admit this failure to anyone and seventeen years later in Mein Kampf he wrote I was so convinced that I would be successful that when I received my rejection it struck me as a bolt from the blue.

In his book Hitler and the Power of Aesthetics (2003) Frederic Spotts details several instances of Hitlers subordinates opinion of him as an artist, for example Goebbels boast that His (Hitler s) creativity is that of the genuine artist no matter what field he may be working and his diary entry after a meeting with Hitler in July 1926 notes that: He talks about the future architectural image of the country and is thoroughly the architect. After he paints a picture of a new German constitution and then is entirely the political artist. He notes also that Hitler s view of statesmanship was not Staatswissenschaft but Staatskunst (Statecraft) which he elevated to an intuitive art, like every art a product of genius. Hitler s view of artists was also infused with ideology:

Crime itself was forgivable in Hitler s eyes if it was committed by an artist. Informed on one occasion that a painter of his acquaintance had swindled a bank out of more than one million marks, he responded: the man is an artist - I am also an artist. Artists understand nothing about financial affairs. I forbid any action being taken against the man.

Oscar Wilde himself could not have manufactured a better defense of art and crime. Spotts recounts another important feature of Hitler s opinion of artists. Although Hitler was convinced that homosexuality was rampant in the Catholic church and had no reluctance in sending priests to jail, he turned a blind eye - don't ask don't tell - to homosexuality among artists. Spotts and others have concluded that Hitler transformed his thwarted creative energy - his manquehood - into his political and architectural aspirations - as an artist he was impotent, unable to do what he later did in politics and architecture - create a world instead of merely copying one.

Although I believe it unwise to seek a reductive justification such as manquehood for Hitler s despotism, the studies undertaken by Stern, Adams, Thewelweit, Eitner, Spotts and others are useful in as much as they demonstrate that Hitler was not immune to ideologies that sustained stereotypical notions of the artist and architect as alter dei, although his subsequent behavior as the fuhrer demonstrated that he resisted the conflation of genius with madness and drew the line against the agonist, antagonist, and activist characteristics of the avant-garde.

written by Bruce Alistair Barber
sorry not by me.

10/10/2007 03:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark -- Yan Xin states that qigong works from "synchronous resonance" which is the same as what I call the "natural resonance revolution." What must be understood is that it's not "frequency" nor "amplitude" but asymmetric complimentary opposites of waveform -- the Tai Chi waveform. Just google my articles for further details -- see

This is also why the universe is not a fractal since all of science uses symmetry. see for details.

10/10/2007 11:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow this is so cool. I got this from

You stare at this spinning lady and it determines which side of the brain you are using!,21985,22556281-661,00.html

Now Greg Taylor who posted this at Dailygrail says he's definitely right-brain.

At first I was left brain. Then, while sitting in full-lotus the whole time, at first I just thought how hot the lady was... then I scrolled down more so I could see all her feet. Then I concentrated and all of a sudden she switched from left-brain to right brain! But then she switched right back to left-brain. I concentrated more -- and pretty soon I was able to make her switch back and forth at will! Amazing!

10/10/2007 02:59:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Movie Girl,

That was a beautiful comment. The problem of consciousness is at the heart of all mystery; the implications of this statement are enormous, even all-encompassing, since how we see the world around us, from science, history & politics to spirituality is very much constrained and defined by our “operational parameters.” Chalmers is correct when he says that Neuroscience—as we know it—may never really understand consciousness in terms of where it resides, how it works and how it impacts what we consent to call “reality.” The lady scientist at Arkadian Functor, whom I’ve often quoted here, wrote the following as part of her look at the controversy surrounding the Variable Speed of Light theory which, like the Fractal Universe idea I like so much, threatens to overturn so much of the current scientific paradigm:

At a seminar here yesterday we heard that as recently as the 1920s people still believed that the Milky Way was the entire universe, with the sun sitting at its centre. A mapping of globular clusters in the Milky Way soon indicated that the sun lay on the periphery of the galaxy, and it was finally recognised that the strange spiral nebulae were in fact distant galaxies, not unlike our own. The same seminar concluded, on the observation that accelerated publication rates had not produced as many major breakthroughs in the last two decades, that technology had finally caught up with observations over the electromagnetic spectrum and that we may well have seen most of what there is to see. Naturally there was some dissent. To believe that in a mere 80 years humanity can go from a relatively trivial understanding of the cosmos to complete comprehension is hubris.

Today we are just beginning to observe the so-called Dark Matter in the skies. The luminous baryonic matter is a small fraction ($\frac{\pi - 3}{\pi}$) of the matter we imagine is out there. No doubt this is only another small step in the evolving vision of our mind. A Theory of Everything can never be more than a theory of what little we have known before.

She also writes some blistering attacks on orthodoxy in her post on the Declaration of Academic Freedom:

Article 8: Freedom to publish scientific results

A deplorable censorship of scientific papers has now become the standard practice of the editorial boards of major journals and electronic archives, and their bands of alleged expert referees. The referees are for the most part protected by anonymity so that an author cannot verify their alleged expertise. Papers are now routinely rejected if the author disagrees with or contradicts preferred theory and the mainstream orthodoxy. Many papers are now rejected automatically by virtue of the appearance in the author list of a particular scientist who has not found favour with the editors, the referees, or other expert censors, without any regard whatsoever for the contents of the paper. There is a blacklisting of dissenting scientists and this list is communicated between participating editorial boards. This all amounts to gross bias and a culpable suppression of free thinking, and are to be condemned by the international scientific community.

The question that must be raised is, “What are they so afraid of?” What understanding, what new paradigm scares them so badly that they have to set up this elaborate web of censorship and blacklisting? The fact that such a system is so contrary to the stated aims of science—the impartial pursuit of knowledge—should make us all very suspicious of what’s really going on here.

I think the old "cui bono?" question is the obvious place to start. It’s money that not only makes the world go around (instead of the forces of nature we assumind were doing all the spinning), but also dictates what will be studied, what public policy will be implemented, and how the pie gets divided.

The problem with Ron Paul is that his free market fundamentalism isn’t really going to change anything—take away the Fed, stamp out all corruption in high places, restore the Constitution…and what will we have? Assume he succeeds in all these endeavors. Will there suddenly be a level playing field, or will there be a small group of people with immense resources who still own the media, the infrastructure and the scientific establishment while a very large group of people have nothing at all?

Will everyone have equal access to resources, education and health care, or will the strong rule the weak? What mechanism does he imagine will ensure equality, or is that not the goal, after all? What will counter the growing trend towards privatization and the engrained manipulation of scarcity?

This is where it all falls apart: if we don’t acknowledge the manipulation of scarcity as the modus operandi of all known political economies—none moreso than capitalism—then it will most certainly continue, whatever “reforms” might be instituted. R.A. Wilson was a libertarian, too, but as you saw in that excerpt from the Jumping Jesus Phenomenon I quoted above (Malthus, Machiavelli and Pop-Ecology), he bases his worldview on the endlessly documented scarcity paradigm and its antidote: Abundance for All.

Take energy, the single biggest racket on the planet. The market system cannot accommodate decentralized, essentially free energy and this is why it’s not available. Not because highly efficient solar conversion & battery technology is impossible, but because the Owners would lose their biggest lever.

If everyone were rich, well-educated, well-informed, connected by common cause and full empathy with everyone else on this spaceship…who’d be running the show? This is what they’re afraid of. This is why they chisel egalitarian slogans on their courthouses and their precious constitutions while actually practicing the exact opposite, a massively hierarchical system of control that would have made the Pyramid builders ashamed of their primitive geometry. (Our pyramid is much, much shorter; in the eternally recurring Tsarist system, the Golden Mean is squashed to a 3-tiered system. Owners, managers and herd.)

Ironically, the Hive-mind that Clarke and so many others have tried to scare us about is the hidden base of the Free Society. We’re told we control our own destiny through the isolation of the Rigged Individualist meme, when we’re actually very thoroughly controlled by a system of empty “choices.” The collective mind of humanity, by contrast, allows total freedom of expression and choice, as long as you aren’t interested in enslaving the rest of mankind. It’s fueled by empathy and love, which cause more energy to be released than you put into it, while the regime of individuation is an entropic black hole that sucks in everything and gives back nothing but fear, greed and hatred.

Like scarcity and abundance, these truths have become “counterintuitive” because we’ve been so conditioned for so long to believe that war is peace, prosperity is poverty, and freedom is being locked into your private cell (I mean "home"). You get to cut your own grass and choose your own lifestyle—from the three approved options, of course—so it must be freedom, right?

For another look at why the Hive-mind meme is a complete fabrication of the Ministry of Truth, try Julian May’s Galactic Milieu. She doesn’t shy away from the hard questions and the fears that have been instilled in us. She also manages to explore the role of consciousness in all this. Her vision isn’t perfect—in fact, Iain M. Banks gets it even more right in his Culture books, but May’s focus is on the transition from Slavery to Freedom, so it’s a better first step.


Am I looking for links…?

the author,

I got in through the basement of those huge old warehouse buildings that house Cotter & Co. (True Value Hardware), but they didn’t acquire those buildings until 1948, I think, and I can’t remember what the old guy who took me around told me about that part of the story. It was 30 years ago when I was climbing around down there with him, so…

I do remember him telling me that he had been in many more of those tunnels in the ‘20s and ‘30s and that they run all through the neighborhoods around Clyburn, from Diversey to Fullerton, crossing under the river at several points and eventually going all the way to the Loop. He said there were all sorts of forgotten underground buildings, etc., everywhere on the North Side. Remember when the sub-sub-sub-basements of those big bank buildings downtown flooded a few years back? My brother, who was trying to rescue/repair some bank computers in one of them told me that they had stumbled upon some really ancient tunnels that fed into weird rat warrens under the river, too.

Largely unexplored and forgotten (Geraldo’s heroics notwithstanding), but very dangerous I’d say. If you could find some way into those warehouses or some derelict building on Clyburn, you might just get in to the more solid part of the old network. (Good luck, and don't forget to bring a miner’s hat!)

This is also why the universe is not a fractal since all of science uses symmetry.

All of whose science?


I know you attach a lot of importance to asymmetricality, but your assumptions about the symmetry of fractals may not be correct. Rucker & Wolfram have shown that fractal patterns can be both, as well as repeating and singular. In some configurations, there can be symmetricalities within an asymmetrical fractal and vice-versa.

The pattern recognition hardware in our brains is hacked by the software (culture) we "use"--trying to determine the shape of the universe through telescopes which are also tunnels leaves out 99% of the view. I don't think you can "either/or" the fabric of the universe, as this is an inherently exclusive activity and if there's anything that we know for sure, it's that the truth of the universe is inclusive.

Many worlds, each radically or mildly different (as in the recent silicon-based "life-forms") standing side-by-side and one on top of the other. This is why Newtonian & quantum physics both work, Euclidian and non-Euclidian geometries, etc.

Isn't it possible to integrate symmetricality and its alleged opposite without assigning dominant and submissive status to either?

Remember Picasso:

"Anything you can imagine is real."

10/10/2007 03:31:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

In fact, if you go back to that Fractal Universe link, you'll see that it's the asymmetricality of the distribution of matter in the universe that most annoys the old school boys about the Fractal Kids' new idea...

10/10/2007 04:04:00 PM  
Blogger just_another_dick said...

IC, if I misread you, I apologize.

But, truthfully IC, do you seriously expect anything more from an "angry gasbag" such as myself?

Sounder, I'd love to get a life. Can you direct me to where you acquired yours?
It has always sounded like a real page turner & I've been green with envy for years.

Ericswan, instead of using your sarcastic wit like a freshly sharpened rapier to defend my honor,, I suggest that you go back to searching for the alien spacecraft that are replacing the stars.

Mark, the only thing I'd like to know is why Hoagland is any more credible than NASA.

He seems to be wrong a lot.

Mr. Hoagland analyzes photos as if he's never heard of the word simulacrum. Now, maybe Mr. Hoagland, when confronted with an elephant shaped cloud in the sky, immediately assumes that there are herds of puffy pachyderms prancing through the sky so blue, but you'll have to excuse me if I don't jump to the same conclusions.

As far as "liking" or "disliking" Mr. Hoagland, I reserve that judgement till I actually meet the guy.

Anyway, if knowledge were a popularity contest, then Brad Pitt would be wisdom personified.

Why stop at Hoagland? A man named Adam Austin wrote a book entitled The Sand Whales of Mars. In this annotated collection of NASA images Mr. Austin points out giant macrobes, or sand whales as he calls them, as well as other unidentified creatures, singly and in herds, squirming, wriggling, burrowing, and fungi-munching across the red (or is it?) planet's surface. Strangely angular objects-possibly domed buildings-are also identified, as are large lichen forests and several other anomalies. (Coincidentally these lichen forests were also seen by none other than Mr. Space Prophet himself Artie Clarke) Mr. Austin points out that one shouldn't be surprised if all this wildlife looks strangely familiar since life on Earth began with the same critters sent here on the interplanetary vessel known as....(cue spooky music)...Noah's Ark.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems that the paradigm here at RI-commentland involves the belief that all establishment views are wrong so anything diametrically opposed to those views must be right.

Sadly, I don't agree.

And since there have been a few attempts above to get this board back "on topic,"(why? I don't know. Most comments have been a posting free-for-all), let's talk about the Charles Fort "we're property" phrase used above.

Granted, it sounds all X-Filesy and goose pimple raising, but its use here makes me wonder if anyone actually read Fort's books. I have and I'm pretty damn sure of 2 things:

1. Mr. Fort didn't believe in much, if anything at all.


2. That Mr. Fort would have found the inclusion of one of his snarky little asides as a tenet in some 21st century conspiracy theory as completely and utterly hilarious as I do.

For future reference, Fort's works are chock full of those little one-liners; more examples of his iconoclastic sense of humor than examples of his belief system.
Christ, Fort also postulated a huge Sargasso Sea floating undiscovered above the Earth to explain the myriad rains of fish and frogs he found recorded in the literature.

Now, if y'all think Fort was serious about this then, by all means, while you're hunting for those giant spaceships Artie Clarke wrote about as he "leaked their plan for us," and that huge moon-like space station that circles Saturn, I suggest y'all start construction on a giant "sky yacht." Then, once completed, I further suggest that you haul said sky yacht to the highest Himalayan peak, climb in, then have someone, preferably with a good sense of the absurd, to push that sucker off.

The downside to this will be your quick plummet earthward.

The upside being that no one involved will have to worry about head injuries because you can't scramble previously scrambled eggs, now can you?

Although, just to be safe, I'd load on a few harpoons in case you have the misfortune of running into one of Mr. Austins 'space whales."

Speaking of "space critters," ufologist Andy Roberts has a neat little story about digging through Britain's Public Records Office back in the 90s. He found a letter sent to the Air Ministry in January 1969 from a Mr. D. Robson who worked for the National Trust. In his letter, Mr. Robson described witnessing a flying saucer crashing into marshy land and subsequently sinking. He described entering the stricken craft through an open door and finding that "everything was working, lights flashing, and weird noises."

Did the Air Ministry send in the black helicopters & the UFO Recovery Team?

Nah! They just called the local police & asked them to interview Mr. Robson. Under questioning, Mr. Robson admitted that he had seen something fall from the sky-I'm thinking it was The Black Pearl toppling from Fort's Sky Sargasso-he had made the rest up: "I don't know why I said I had been up to this object, or why I had been in it. It just came over me..."

Mr. Robson, an apparently sane and credible professional, inexplicably decides to make up an entirely fanciful story right on the spot.

Imagine that, eh?

Now imagine if The Air ministry had ignored Mr. Robson & some future ufologist had stumbled on his letter sans his confession. I can almost here the internet wailing, "British Roswell, British Roswell."

Bullshit has an amazing ability to walk long & far.

Witness "The Ummo Mystery."

An ingenious bit of leg pulling, apparently masterminded by Jose Luis Jordan Pena to tweak the gullibility of a group of Spanish ufologists. It also used its status as "alien writings" to take potshots at Franco run Spain.

Peppered with glaring errors(Wolf 424, the Ummo home, is described as a two-planet solar system when, in reality, astronomy shows that it is a binary system with twin stars), plagiarized text(passages are copied from both Isaac Asimov & Martin Gardener), science fiction(the documents contain tracts detailing Ummo science but, upon close examination, are little more than gibberish), & nudge nudge wink wink humor(the Ummites once suggested that the British humor magazine Punch was behind the Ummite mythology), this little turd was running wild long before the internet made such hoaxes a daily occurrence.

My absolute favorite detail in the Ummo Mystery is found in the Ummites original account of their first landing. It is during this initial landing that the Ummites discover their first human artifact, described as 'white-yellowed, flexible and brittle sheets...full of characters...and stained with feces,' and attribute it "ritual meaning."

Oh, it had "ritual meaning' alright. Their first human arifact was a section of shit stained newspaper that a peasant used to wipe his arse.

Masterful. Truly masterful.

&, if none of this excuses my impatience with what I think is bullshit, I'll give you a brown nugget that's closer to home.

A few weeks back, my kid's school suspended classes and had a school-wide rally in the gym. The object of this "ritual" attention?
Why, none other than Ronald McDonald himself, or a reasonable facsimile, that is.

The gems of wisdom bestowed by Mr. McDonald included these 2:
1. "If you just eat one McD's hardened potato spike(french fry to the uninitiated) you're guaranteed to be placed on the road to a lifetime of good nutrition.


2. "Eating a wafer thin McFrisbee( a hamburger to the uninitiated) will help give you a strong tongue."

Now, all questions of exactly why one would need a strong tongue aside, how many of those tender tots now believe, whole-heartedly, that McSlop is actually good for you?

Now, before I'm once again labeled heretic, I'll just head y'all off at the pass.
Personally, I don't doubt that there are nuggets of "truth" bandied about here, but by consistently glopping on such huge gobs of bullshit, it is really fucking hard to take any of it seriously.


&, if that isn't good enough, just gather the faithful together & petition Mr. Wells to get my keys to the "truth' kingdom revoked. It's not like it would be the first time, now would it?

10/10/2007 10:33:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Richard, (even more!) non-sequitur ad hominem is even duller. When a blunt instrument doesn't work, use a larger blunt instrument is not the solution. It's not Hoagland floating in space, it's Iapetus or whatever it is. Hoagland didn't invent its specific gravity or convince NASA to hide its radar data (the only hidden bit of the Cassini mission). Your skepticism is more appropriately leveled at NASA.

And "it's all relative" is just changing the subject. It's not a good argument if you still want to claim a standard of critique as you are (because it places you as subject to your own critique). I'm not going to continue that thread, so by all means use a larger blunt instrument in an echo chamber and I'll say nothing.


From the humor desk, you got to read the 'real webpage' of this Florida small airline front organization busted for funneling cocaine--in a Mexican cocaine plane crash two weeks ago:

This is on their homepage. I changed nothing:

"we [sic] are in this business over 20 years, attending South, North and Central america,[sic] with outstanding service, we are today most trusted company in this market. our [sic] customer loyality [sic] make us different.


"we are in aircraft market for over 20 years, we buy, sell, any type or kind of airplane. we also help companys [sic] doing consulting. today we are proud to attend Europe, South, Norrth [sic] and Central America. we have available financing for all customer that fullfill [sic] the bank requirements.

I assume customers immediately trust and appreciate their spelling errors ("since 1995") and their stylish e.e. cummings-esque lack of punctuation. And I appreciate that they have easy to remember contact information:

Phone: (415) 555-5555
Fax: (415) 555-5515

Customers like John Doe appreciate easy to recall information:

This takes the cake. Under testimonials, just one:

"“I wanted to write to thank you for your great customer service. I was able to get great information and great products for a great price. What more could you ask for!"

John Doe
San Francisco, CA

After the American/Florida front organization's plane goes down with several tons of cocaine, Hopsicker visited their address. Empty office. No planes anywhere around. Not even a sign on the door.

The European Parliament argues that this particular cocaine plane was moonlighting as a CIA kidnapping plane, landing at the U.S.'s torture prison camp Guantanamo Bay/

In addition to [1] funnelling cocaine in the USA, [2] kidnapping people for torture at the U.S. base at Guantanamo, [3] the plane was in "unpaid use flying current Florida Republican Senator Mel Martinez around the state during his last week blitz before his election to the Senate in 2004."

Flying high.

Quite a nice service for the current Republican Senator Martinez to get a cocaine plane to help him tour Florida on campaign. Though far from unique. Hopsicker notes the same free cocaine plane flights given to Jeb Bush several years ago.

just the intro:

Oct 08, 2007
by Daniel Hopsicker

Seventeen months after an American-registered DC9 airliner was busted with 5.5 tons of cocaine, a major international scandal is brewing over a second drug trafficking incident in Mexico's Yucatan involving an American-registered jet owned by a dummy front company of the kind usually associated with the CIA.

A weekend visit to “Donna Blue Aircraft Inc” of Coconut Beach FL., the company which FAA records show owned the Gulfstream II business jet (N987SA) which crash-landed with 3.7 tons of cocaine aboard in Mexico’s Yucatan two weeks ago, has revealed that the company’s listed address is an empty office suite with a blank sign out front.

There was no sign of Donna Blue Aircraft, Inc., at the address listed at the Florida Dept. of Corporations, 4811 Lyons Technology Parkway #8 in Coconut Beach FL.

However, there were, oddly enough, a half-dozen unmarked police cars parked directly in front of the empty suite.

Phone calls to Butters Development, the industrial park's leasing agent, went unreturned.

Moreover the brief description of Donna Blue on its Internet page, apparently designed to “flesh out the ghost a little,” is such a clumsy half-hearted effort that it defeats the purpose of helping aid the construction of a plausible “legend,” or cover, and ends up doing more harm than good...

For example, the website features a quote from a satisfied Donna Blue Aircraft customer. Unfortunately his name is “John Doe.” And the listed phone number is right out of the movies: 415.555-5555.

Its known in the trade as "sloppy tradecraft."

The more influential the listed owner of the plane is, the more uncertain the identification becomes. The whole business, suggested a story which ran on the Associated Press, quickly moves beyond the realm of human ken…

“How the U.S.-registered Gulfstream ended up in the hands of suspected drug traffickers remains a mystery,” reported the Associated Press.

How indeed? Let’s take a look.

When the company’s principals, Joao Luiz Malago and Eduardo Dias Guimaraes, both Brazilian, forcefully denied that they still owned the plane, claiming it had been sold several weeks earlier to two American pilots in Florida, officials at the DEA (which sent a six-man team to the Yucatan crash site) the FBI, and the FAA were all conspicuous by their silence.

Since then, there has been a growing perception expressed in the Mexican press that the owners of both of the American-registered drug plane’s seem to enjoy an apparent immunity from prosecution.

Set a Straw Man Up, Set a Straw Man Down

“The proprietary company of the unit, Donna Blue Inc. Aircraft (DBA), is another mystery and probably it is a ghost company,” reported Mexico City’s La Reforma.

Indications point to the conclusion that their skepticism is justified.

Increasing suspicion even more was the suggestion, in a report of a committee of the European Parliament, that in addition to having been used in drug trafficking the Gulfstream II had flown CIA rendition flights to Guantanamo.

Unnamed authorities quoted in Associated Press accounts dismissed this report, saying there was no evidence the plane flew renditions, but failed to address the fact that Guantanamo is highly restricted airspace, and any plane landing there can be presumed to be working for the U.S. Government.

What has raised the crash-landing of the Gulfstream II drug plane with U.S. Government connections to the level of real outrage is its extraordinary similarity to the DC9 airliner caught a year and a half ago, after which the planes’ registered [American] owner suffered no ill consequences from having his airplane caught with 5.5 tons of cocaine onboard.

There are “wonderful similarities,” Mexican newspaper Por Esto reported drolly, “between the Gulfstream which crash-landed in the tiny hamlet of Tixkokob and the DC9 busted in Ciudad del Carmen which help explain why, despite the fact that almost 18 months has passed, the American owner of the DC9 has not been charged with any crime.”

Ghost Fleets of Ghost Planes owned by Ghost Companies

The reference is to information contained in a series of articles in the MadCowMorningNews detailing connections between the DC9 and the national Republican Party, like its unpaid use flying current Florida Republican Senator Mel Martinez around the state during his last week blitz before his election to the Senate in 2004.

The DC9’s owner was identified in FAA documents as Royal Sons’ Inc., owned by Frederic Geffon of St. Petersburg.

Yet despite the fact that Geffon back-dated sales documents and then had them faxed to the FAA several days after his DC9 was already in the news for the big bust, no action has been taken against Geffon, or any other owners of the plane.

Geffon claimed he had sold the DC9, several weeks before it was caught, and identified the buyer as an “airplane broker” in California who investigation revealed has no history of selling airplanes.

The circumstances of the subsequent “investigations” share many similarities. The governments involved—Mexico, the United States, Venezuela, and Colombia—all appear unable to agree on who owned the planes...although the owners of the planes at the time they were caught are clearly named in FAA documents.

And both plane’s American owners appear to be escaping Scot-free.


After being owned for nearly a decade by ARI, Air Rutter International, the Gulfstream apparently changed hands-- at least two, and by one account, three--times in recent weeks.

rest here

10/10/2007 11:30:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...


As a musician myself, and perhaps a budding "philosopher of music," if there is such a thing, this 12-note Western scale thing has been bothering me a lot. Why twelve?

Octaves and fifths, as you pointed out, are mathematic multiples. But the other notes are not. Why not? Why can't we have a mathematically and sonically harmonious scale with equidistant notes --even if that requires more or less than 12 notes? Wouldn't that sound better? HEck, if we can make beautiful music with the current screwed-up scale, what about a real one? Who decided on the magic number 12?

10/10/2007 11:38:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

the author authored:

"Who decided on the magic number 12?"

I quite agree! Particularly if (harmonic) music has some type of innate healing properties, what good or ill does it do us to have slightly flat harmonics globally for several hundred years?

On the origin of the scale of the 'majestic 12' (just a little (very little) humor there), find the rest of the comment at this link.

The twelve tone scale was actually a Chinese prince's idea to flat all harmonics in what is known as the 'spiral of fifths' (12 fifths) so they would artificially fit across a series of incommensurate octaves. He decided that dividing the excess amount that the spiral of fifths was over a series of octaves, so that these flatted, shrunken spiral of fifths would shrink inharmonically to fit within particular octaves. I think the Chinese prince was the one to choose 12--splitting the flatness across 12 even pieces to make the flatness 'equally tempered'. I don't know why he would have chosen 12 to begin with, except it might symbolically harken to the 12 fifths in the spiral of fifths, trapped in the octaves where they "don't belong". The ghost in the machine. Then it went through some transfer to Europe by the late 1500s, and then Bach popularized it. The 'flat tempering' allows for ease of changing keys, though at a large sacrifice of the asthetics of music. There was quite a hot debate about what Bach was popularizing in his lifetime, and perhaps we may someday revisit this and overturn Bach's popularization.

The comment starts:

"However, most music (and fifths) you will hear nowadays will always be tuned flat from instruments. Every note.


That's what this long quote is about, from a book.

How intentionally flat tunings became known as "well-tempered" is the point of this. "Well-tempered" tends to on the surface imply harmony, though perversely it's nothing like that. It is equal, though it's all flatted notes and subtly outside of harmonic resonance, particularly for fifths.

Our admixture of odd tunings popularized by the West from the early 1700s has an interesting history. Europe started to popularize non-harmonic scales subtly out of whack, for intentionally creating flat notes equally flatted to squeeze in fifths into octaves, to avoid retuning an instrument when you wanted to change keys.

However, the idea of 'equal flatting' of fifths to fit them into octaves series was actually a Chinese inventor's idea in the 1580s: to put two different disharmonic scales (octaves, based on 2x the previous note; and fifths, based on 1.5x the previous note, that never really match anywhere) artificially together into the same instruments by 'flatting all fifths' over a scale of 12 notes equally, to scrunch and make the octave series the basis for the flatted fifths--which it is the fifths that are the most human-healing oriented and pretty.

The "tempering" allowed for transposings between octaves and keys. Got that? No. :-)

Well, I copied (really, spoke into some text to speech software) to clarify from a book I have on Chinese science history, in its interesting chapter on music.

When Bach wrote his "well tempered clavichord" it is generally unappreciated that he was actually writing a musical manifesto of this different transpositional and intentionally flat tunings. He wanted to popularize this flatted tuning, and demot previous different harmonics based tunings in Europe and and it turns out, worldwide. The implication of Bach's publication of 1722 flatted Well-Tempered Clavier series has been very profound.

(Perhaps this is why I've always enjoyed "pre-Bach" music: of the 1600s with different tunings on ancient instruments more than other 'modern' 'post-Bach' European music. There's something about Bach that has always just made me feel angry like it was harmonically wrong or something. Grating. :-)

However, the odd thing is that Bach was drawing his ideas about equal tempering from a Chinese musical theorist of the 1580s.

Anyone who gets into 'pre-modern' tunings and scales or actual pure harmonics is going to run into both Egyptian (pyramids) issues and Chinese issues of their harmonic scales and their 2,000 year old bells.

Forgive the quote's length. It's just three pages in a book. Skip over it if you are not interested-- though if you follow anything from above or the last post, 'real harmonics' are key to a lot of different things discussed here at RI.

The quote is from The Genius of China: 3,000 Years of Science, Discovery and Invention, by Robert Temple (1989), 206-213:


Then if you play successive fifths, using a top note of one fifth as the bottom note of a new fifth, you do not come to a C again for quite some time...In fact, you have a succession of 12 fifths, before reaching another.

Musical theorists like to speak of the ascending fifths as a "spiral of fifths", and they draw them in a diagram spiraling upwards.

If you count the number of octaves between the first and last note in a spiral of 12 fifths, you'll find that there are seven. As the spiral has gone round, it has repeatedly missed the higher octave notes of the original note, [making eighths and fifths without any 'real' harmonic connection at all] until finally after 12 fifths it hits the seventh octave of the original note. [So they say...] Then and only then [i.e., only the distance of seven octaves actually has a somewhat harmonic resonance with the fifths] do the two separate ascending series, meet.

And upward (or downward) spiral of fifths and an upward (or downward) spiral of octaves thus only me up when 12 fifths and seven octaves end on the same note. Until then, on their upward or downward courses, the two means of proceeding had been quite separate. It is as if two runners were running the same distance on two separate tracks which went over and under one another repeatedly until they reach the same finishing post, at a point where the separate tracks met for the first time since the start.

This is important, for upon examining this more closely we find that it is not as simple as it seems -- there is something curiously wrong.

The problem is this: musical tones are very precisely measurable in the laboratory, and an exact number is assigned to every note as its frequency. Now, when one plays a C seven octaves higher than another C, we find that its frequency is 128 times that of the original. (Every octave doubles the frequency, and if you progressively double something seven times you have in fact made it 128 times its original self). But if you want to have a sequence of fifths [12 times over, here's the paradox, which of course are exactly close to the same note] which increased by 1.5 times the original frequency (which is what fifths do) 12 times over, you will achieve a final result not exactly equal to the 128 of seven octaves [2^7 = 128x], but equal instead to the slightly different amount of 129.75, which is the value of (1.5)^12 [=129.75x].

The fact is that the mathematics of the fifth is [always] incommensurable (harmonically) with the mathematics of the octave [despite current piano tuners claims to the contrary, or even piano builders].

A note which is a fifth higher than another note has a measurable frequency 1 1/2 times that of the lower note.

And [duh] the number 1.5 is arithmetically incommensurable with the number two (which expresses the doubling of the frequency of a note when raised an octave). So the fifth in the octave are out of joint with each other on fundamental arithmetical grounds.

The spiral of fifths comes to a stop at a point which is 1.0136 times the sequence of octaves. (Or, the frequency 129.75 is 1.0136th that of 128). This value, 1.0136, is known as "the comma of Pythagoras", after the Greek philosopher who discussed it [who supposedly learned everything from Egypt].

The different keys are established in Chinese music by the 12 different notes of the spiral of fifths [in other words the Chinese "octave" was based on a mutually harmonic repeating of fifths (not frequency doubling eighths without harmonics), a comparatively huge 'octave,' so to speak, thinking about a piano, which means 12 fifths was one 'octave' to the Chinese], and these 12 notes are all found within the compass of a single fundamental octave. The spiral of fifths ascends from C to G to D to A to E to B to F sharp to C sharp to A flat to E flat to B flat to F back to C (except, as just mentioned, this C is not absolutely precise). It will be appreciated that all of these notes fall between one C and the higher or lower C, and give the 12 keys. These 12 notes also give the complete chromatic scale of modern music.

Equal temperament is an artificial system created to get round the fact that the spiral of fifths ends on a note that's slightly off the end of the sequence of octaves. The tiny fraction of 0.0136 is divided into 12 equal parts, and each part is subtracted from one of the 12 notes into which an octave [in Europe] is divided [i.e., the white and black piano keys]. This means that the gap between a note and its "fifth" is no longer precisely 1.5, but is instead a tiny fraction less, 1.4983.

This "violence" done to all the fifths squeezes them into the tinier space of a pure octave.

All 12 steps in the octave are now precisely equal [from each other, instead of related to harmonics], and are called semitones. In order to accomplish this, each fifth has been artificially but evenly rendered flat by about one 48th of a semitone.

All equally tempered music is thus uniformly and unremittingly "flat".

But it provides a regular and reliable structure so that one can modulate from [flat] key to [flat] key [quickly], for as much richness and variety of composition as one could desire.

This is not to say that much has not been lost -- sacrificed on the altar of utility. Our modern ears have been so debased by hearing only equally tempered music that we no longer know a pure tone. We send for a piano tuner to tune our piano, but in fact, he comes and tunes it flat, as relentlessly as ants march forth from their nest. We are thus subjected, from birth to death, to nothing but flat notes [in modern music scales].

We never so much as hear a pure tone [or, perhaps, know their healing power.]

Before equal temperament, in both China and the West, there were various "modes" of untempered music. For the sake of simplicity, we can speak as well of the ancient Greek ones, which have less difficult names, though they all have Chinese equivalents. There were the Ionian, Dorian, Phrygian, Lydian, Mixo-Lydian, Aeolian and Locrian modes. Instruments could be tuned to only one mode at a time. Some of the modes were happy and carefree, while others were sad and mournful. They represented a vast richness of emotional [and perhaps healing] intensity and experience which has now completely and utterly vanished from the music known to us today. It is impossible to describe them: the colorations and subtleties of the different modes were somewhat like the difference which we note between the major and minor keys, multiplied several times.

In the absence of these old modes, not a single person in the entire Western world unafflicted by deafness can avoid hearing at every turn, music fashioned [to flat notes] from an imported Chinese theory [into European mass produced instruments and music notation]."

Rest at link.

10/11/2007 04:14:00 AM  
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10/11/2007 08:04:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...


First off, no apologies necessary. You did read me wrong that time, but then again I did refer to you as an angry gasbag on at least one occasion. (In my defense, it was only after you had told me to fuck myself and such-like, but bygones be gone by...)

Here's the thing that seems a little ingenuous about your skeptic shtick--when you say things like:

Personally, I don't doubt that there are nuggets of "truth" bandied about here, but...

after you've listed the fringiest, looniest things you can find (and after continuously characterizing any question of the Official Story as "conspiracy thinking"), when it's the big things that are lies, not your Twilight Zone episodes or your spook gossip.

And you know this.

You know that the real actors behind the scenes manipulate the docile herd, massage the truth, and write cartoons in the history books. You've written about these things yourself!

So, yeah, be agnostic like Mr. Fort--about whom you're absolutely right--but why do you kid yourself about the nuggets of "truth" when you know that the whole edifice put out there is a flimsy stage decoration?

Is it possibly because you want to believe in Truth, Justice and the American Way, or that you just so resent the fakirs that you'd rather fall into the orthodox lockstep than have to keep them company?

You can choose your own path you know, one that doesn't involve painting your scenery with such wide brushes...kinda like those kooks do with their surreal landscapes, come to think of it.

10/11/2007 08:07:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...


You're a kind, kind soul. Many thanks!

10/11/2007 08:07:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Mark.. Musical theory is not my forte. I don't get this firth of fourth stuff but you did say that RI beats this bush from all sides and this, I understand. My question would be this; Does the speaking voice or the singing voice have charisma? I'm thinking here of the Bock Saga and the musicality of some languages and the distortion of English by some speakers who adopt local characteristics of pronounciation or dialect as in Mass. or Texas etc.

Country singers may be able to squeeze coloquilisms into their brand of music but (bout) in most cases the stutterer has a problem when he speaks but not when he sings. May the circle go unbroken...

10/11/2007 09:10:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Eric said:

"Does the speaking voice or the singing voice have charisma?"

According to my link and its sublinks above: the human voice is full of harmonics spoken or singing; the human brain latches onto and pays more 'attention' electrochemically to harmonics (of anything including voice) better
than other background noise and so it can pick out harmonics better.

So I don't know if singing is 'more harmonic' than talking if the human voice is harmonics. I think it would depend on the voice and not speaking or singing differences? You know, it's how some people's voices just attract you to listen even though you haven't a clue what they are saying or don't care what they say. Just guessing on that. There's probabaly a link for someone who had asked that already somewhere....

10/11/2007 09:26:00 AM  
Blogger messianicdruid said...

Some great vids of debate results at:

"Unfortunately, as far a chance as Ron Paul has to becoming President, even if he did the game for the TPTB would be FAR from over. There have been several Presidents already who I considered were opposed to TPTB, even when TPTB were less powerful, and they have failed. People like JFK and Andrew Jackson. Jackson even shut down a central bank attempt during his term- exclaiming "I killed the bank". Yet within a few years after his term expired the bank was back. TPTB are so entrenched in their power across the globe it's going to take a hell of a lot more than an American Present to turn things around. I'm really sorry to say..."

10/11/2007 02:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's a very basic concept that is also very radical. This is why there is tons of denial about it -- on this blog and elsewhere on line.

Science states that Nature is asymmetric but science uses symmetry to measure the asymmetry.

Nonwestern healing harmonics states that Nature is symmetric but nonwestern healing harmonics uses asymmetry to measure the symmetry.

Get it?

Now the result: Science destroys Nature and calls it the "study of evolution." Doesn't matter whether it's quantum chaos fractals or quantum gravity: same difference.

10/11/2007 03:28:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Nonwestern healing harmonics states that Nature is symmetric but nonwestern healing harmonics uses asymmetry to measure the symmetry.

Get it?

Now the result: Science destroys Nature and calls it the "study of evolution." Doesn't matter whether it's quantum chaos fractals or quantum gravity: same difference.


Yes, I sure do. I really wasn’t trying to be obstructionist or (certainly) defensive of mainstream, orthodox science. Starting at the end of what you wrote, “my” science guys—especially Schauberger—had as their mantra “understand and copy Nature.” The syntropy which comes out of this endeavor defeats entropy by making use of the creative, non-Promethean cycles of Nature. This is not what (you and) Wordsworth meant with the lines:

Up! up! my friend, and quit your books,
Or surely you'll grow double.
Up! up! my friend, and clear your looks;
Why all this toil and trouble. . . .

Books! 'tis a dull and endless trifle: 5
Come, hear the woodland linnet,
How sweet his music! on my life,
There's more of wisdom in it. . . .

One impulse from a vernal wood
May teach you more of man, 10
Of moral evil and of good,
Than all the sages can.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings;
Our meddling intellect
Misshapes the beauteous forms of things-- 15
We murder to dissect.

Enough of Science and of Art,
Close up those barren leaves;
Come forth, and bring with you a heart
That watches and receives.

You are right in that the quantative, mechanistic, duality-infused science of Newton, Descartes, Darwin, Einstein & Hawking did “murder to dissect,” but there is another way. In fact, there are many other ways—you just don’t hear about them. In that first chapter of Lost Science, Vassilatos traces part of this occulted (not occult) tradition, from Reichenbach and Mesmer to Goethe.

Chapter 3 also has some good information on the qualitative science in the death of geomancy. Rounding it out, or bringing it into our times, we have Tesla, Keely, Schauberger and Rife.

On Tesla and quantitative science, in the POLYPHASE section of Chapter 4:

But who was Nikola Tesla, and where was he from? How did he reach such a mighty stature, and what did he actually invent? Tesla was born in 1856, the son of an illustrious Serbian family. His father, an Orthodox priest, his uncles noteworthy military heroes of highest rank. He was educated in Graz, and later moved to Budapest. Throughout his life he was blessed, or haunted, by vivid visions. In the terminology of Reichenbach he would be termed an extreme sensitive. It was through these remarkable visions that Nikola Tesla invented devices, which the Victorian world had never seen. Indeed, his visionary experiences produced the modern world, as we know it. He attended various Universities in Eastern Europe during his early adulthood.

While delving into his studies, he became aware by the new and insidious scientific trends, which questioned the validity of human sense and reason. An impassioned soul, Tesla felt the pain of modern humanity in its intellectual search for a soul. Finding no solace in any of his classes, he sought refuge in a more romantic treatment of science and nature. None could be found. Professors dutifully promoted the "new view" by which it was declared that the natural world was "inert ... dead ... a mere collection of forces".

This quantitative regime was mounting force among academes, who were then attempting the total conversion of scientific method. Those who would not accept the new order were compelled to depart from academic pursuits. Tesla totally rejected these notions on the strongest of inner intuitions...

From Chapter 6:

The archaic disappointment of fire, which split the human psyche, produced qualitative and quantitative sciences. The archaic disappointments rule quantitative science in the physics of thermodynamics. The archaic curse was turned to advantage by modern moguls, who employ the all-consuming need for fuel into a means for gaining profit. The world system operates on the notion that wonder cannot be real, that no light can exist for eternity, and that light dies in the absence of fuel...

None of them practices the science of Death and destruction because the analysis is qualitative in nature, not quantative. You can see this in that magical Chapter 13 of my boy Kötke's oft-quoted Final Empire:

In the popular mind the image of ecological balance is the wolf pack and moose herd. This image does represent the balance of the food chain but eliminates the cooperative and holistic elements of ecological functioning. While the wolf, cougar and eagle are dramatic and fit the imperial image of power and violence; these predators are only a handful while there are millions of other species from micro-organisms to redwood trees, whose populations are not impacted significantly by photogenic predators.

Life is wise, mature and self-regulating. The myth of the "red in tooth and claw" has distorted our understanding of nature, but by a review of recent biology we are able to adjust our images to the way nature really works and the way a creative and stable human culture could fit into it. In the contrasts that we have been examining we see that there is a profound shift of image from mindless organisms driven to maximize their numbers, to responsible, intelligent self-regulating living beings.

These are not academic biological questions; they are political questions of the theology of empire. They control the definition of what life is, and define appropriate behavior for humans.

Or, perhaps even more explicitly (and to your taste) is Corpus Mmothra’s treatment of Jaap Bax. (Very highly recommnded...)

My point in telling you this is that yes, you’re right—what you describe is how science has always been done—but that doesn’t mean it’s the only way to do it. If Goethe’s treatise on Light had won the day, instead of Newton’s flawed concept, much of this mess would have been avoided. You can call it an East/West thing if you like, or use Colin Wilson’s Lunar/Solar thinking model, but it amounts to the same thing—the path not taken.

I’ve got dozens more, all of them in this other tradition. Did you ever check out Bibhas De’s transmutative, heretical photon or Popp’s human energy fields? These are all scientists from the West who have turned their faces toward the always rising sun.

I would go on about my original point dealing with wetware & software in the recognition of symmetry (the changes in the physical structures of the brain, not along evolutionary timelines, as in Dawkin's & Blackmore's memes, but within the lifetime of the individual as he/she is exposed to the operating systems we employ) but this is already a big chunk of change.

I’m not disagreeing with your assessment, only in the conclusions. Remember when you said, “Why do anything?” If you saw the possibilities inherent in seeing Nature from this other perspective…no, that’s not right—you do already…I guess I mean in the possibility of scientists adopting this perspective, then there is something we can do.

10/11/2007 06:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark, the author, IC and all it seems for now that Slartibartfast rules in my mind. Due to the somewhat horrifying posts on harmonic music. I'm a big boy I can handle it though never fear. And thank you again for these impressive posts. I'm going to reread them again when I have more time. Better late than never. I will post again soon if I am able. Goodbye for now.

10/11/2007 06:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm planning to enjoy the music of Whitman tonite at a most unique European bar in my hometown. These guys are from Austin, Texas of all places. I'm able to relate to that since I used to live in Texas.

10/11/2007 07:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You thought the leaden winter would bring you down forever,
But you rode upon a steamer to the violence of the sun.

And you see a girl's brown body dancing through the turquoise
And her footprints make you follow where the sky loves the sea.
And when your fingers find her, she drowns you in her body,
Carving deep blue ripples in the tissues of your mind.

Tales of Brave Ulysses - Cream
by Eric Clapton and Martin Sharp

10/11/2007 07:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IC -- the issue raised is structural and not about individuals. People like Keely, Tesla, Schauberger, Moray, etc., were either purely inventors, or used basic, mystical math or made the math fit after the fact.

Nevertheless the logic driving their inventions -- external transformation of Nature -- is one based on a Western concept of left-brain, visual dominant materialism: infinity can be contained by something we can see. This is wrong.

External alchemy does not work because it has a rotten logical root while using nonwestern music as the foundation is based on inner ear listening which goes beyond our deep sleep state of awareness -- beyond spacetime. As Godel stated, one Westerner who did understand the logic that drives science: A person can travel in time because they would not DESIRE to change their future.

Now why is that? How can Godel be so sure? Because the ability to time travel is based on harmonizing desire through logical inquiry of the source of materialism.

As Buddhism teaches: Ignorance is suffering. Suffering is caused by desire. Understand the source of desire to stop suffering. The inner ear method enables understanding the source of suffering because music is direct access of desire.

Now in the West we still rely on Western tuning (except maybe some violin or viola players) -- even in the "alternative" or "conspiracy" scene. Hell even global music has been westernized -- because this philosophy is not understood.

As for an effective global revolution against elite capitalism -- well science is freemasonry and even these individuals who contribute alternative technologies are only furthering the assimilation of the alchemical transmutation of Earth into a silica-based quantum chaos hologram. A great book detailing this structural assimilation process is Professor David F. Noble's "Forces of Production: A Social History of Automation."

The concept of not doing anything is actually the result of doing the most possible. This is the secret of free energy -- it is a tuning device using asymmetric logic.

Here's an excellent example of the structural denial problem I ran across recently. BTW I call this structural issue: The surplus value of consciousness. In Itzhak Bentov's "Stalking the Wild Pendulum: On the Mechanics of Consciousness" book he states this:

"One can visualize physical matter as being a beat frequency caused by the interaction of two such 'sounds' having a slightly different frequency. Such an interaction would cause waves of much lower frequency and higher amplitude. This is, if you remember, how we described the 'visible manifest aspect of the absolute' -- the physical realities." (pp. 187-8).

Now sounds pretty cool -- except he fucked up. Bentov, as "alternative" as he is, still makes the same basic denial that is oh so consistent in the West. He converts sound into a visual measurement. He states one can "visualize" and then he starts talking about sound and then converts it back to the "visual."

As I've detailed in my blogbook, frequency and amplitude are "visual" terms based on symmetry, while the Law of Pythagoras is logic based on listening or inference -- using asymmetric harmonics (i.e. C to G is 2:3 while G to C is 3:4).

So in fact if you DO NOT VISUALIZE but rather listen to what one supposes is physical reality then the "beats" disappear, and ONLY then, because the overtones of frequency are the same as the undertones as amplitude, with both converging as formless awareness.

This is the secret of the Logos -- the I-thought as the One of the Tetrad: 1:2:3:4. So we listen to sound, we hear the overtones as harmonics -- the simplest case is the 1-4-5 progression in blues music (an intuitive attempt to kill the materialism of Western mind control).

That simple progression is actually the same perfect fifth resonating into the perfect fourth -- it's the same "frequency" only inverted into its complimentary opposite as amplitude (one might say). It gives the progression a sense of depth.

It's taught in the West that the Law of Pythagoras is dependent on a string which has a beginning and an end -- materialism. In fact, as is known, the best musicians play by ear and also the best logic is by the ear -- the Logos. No musical string is needed.

So when we listen to the source of the I-thought (as Godel did) we are actually creating an asymmetric desire of one ratio (the One as male or yang) resonating back into formless awareness as female energy. The octave (two of the Tetrad) is the overtone of this infinite process -- or the "material" reflection (maya, metis) which then resonates into the overtone of the fifth (2:3) and the fifth as the first multiplication of matter (two and three) then creates all of reality (3:4 and everything else):


10/12/2007 12:17:00 AM  
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10/12/2007 03:45:00 AM  
Blogger Tsoldrin said...

Picking up on the health thread...

I think the health care system in the U.S. can be seen as a macro microcosm of the economy in general. As we can clearly see, the entrenched power brokers in this gargantuan 'industry' are protected by a myriad of laws and regulations set up under the geis of protecting the public but which actually serve to protect the medical corptocracy from dealing with any type of copetition from so called alternative medical treatments as well as shielding them from the reprisal of those whom they claim to serve (their patients). - This is precisely the type of 'protection' via regulation which some have been boo-hooing about Ron Paul wanting to strip away. Kind of makes you wonder hmm?
Personally, I think the vast majority of these super health alternatives are a crock, however it's also fairly obvious that there's more to health than the establishment is offering. Under a free market the hucksters would be penalized out of business rather quickly by disgruntled clients and the working alternative cures would be just as available as the 'mainstream' cures.

Don't get me wrong... unlike libertarians, I don't think that the free market is the panacea to all our woes. In fact, I think it is nearly as flawed as any other system... however the criticism of the free market concept, and thereby by proxy of Ron Paul, I've seen here doesn't hold much water. The most glaring mistake I've seen in criticizing free market economics is holding up our current system as an example of how it's not working when our system is anything but free. In order for the free market to work, it must be unfettered, otherwise it's not free and the robustness which in theory allows it to adjust to changes and new situations is lost. This itself is the core and beauty of the idea and sets it apart from any other system because of it's fluid ability to adapt instead of remaining stale in the face of change.

The real problem with the free market... atually there's two... first, the short term problem is that science and the indominable human ability to cheat (which is what we do best) have combined to, to some degree or other, remove our free will from the equation. Namely, there are people out there who are unable to resist advertising and in many respects are able to be manipulated or even forced to purchase goods and services they do not need or even really want. While the science of advertising has been around forever, I think when they started strapping test subjects into MRI's in order to see exactly what combination of flashing lights, colors and sounds fire up the 'buy reflex' we saw the end of the possibility of any sort of market based system being able to work. Right now we have entire industries which produce absolutely nothing of any use and many of the ones which produce something even marginally useful rank their actual product as the last of all possible concerns... far after advertising, packaging, delivery or even customer relations. Basically we're living in a self-perpetuating crap based economy where only a tiny fraction of the working population are actually doing something or producing something of any real use.

The second problem with the free market is that it's a dead end socially. The same ability to adapt to unforseen problems with the system and smooth out wrinkles that crop up virtually ensures that the system will self perpetuate and prevent any outside context changes to take hold which can change the whole paradigm. In essence, because it (theoretically) could work, it would prevent advancement beyond it - and thus preclude things such as a utopian society.

...and no, I don't have a better system, however in my eyes in a post-scarcity world of limitless abundance (which we could create in the here and now) we either don't need a 'system' at all and/or it just won't matter what 'system' is in place so that question is rendered moot.

One other point... even though I see the free market as an imperfect and temporary solution, I support it and Ron Paul because it's not only better than what we have now, just the act of changing it would shake loose many of the deeply embeded profiteers who depend on the current system to continue their dirty work. Sort of like a periodic de-lousing.

A quick side note on health in general... from a smoker and drinker who very very rarely ever gets sick, I think your best bet is to steer clear as much as possible of the absolutely massive amount of toxins people generally are exposed to every day. Processed foods, soaps, shampoos, doderants, cleansers, plastics, and thousands of other incidentals all around us. By reducing the load on your own body's defenses you'll free them up to fight off other stuff. (oh yeah, keep the teeth healthy too). My personal theory is that it is our toxic environment which is why we're not living much longer than humans in ancient times - most of the increased longevity we see can be explained by our better infant care and emergency care, so we're really not much better off than they were outside of those areas - with current medical and nutrition technology (alternatives aside even!) we should be living into the hundreds IMO.
On aliens... maybe my math is off a bit here, but if say...we disregard the light speed barrier and hypothosize an alien culture that was really advanced and was able to check each star system in the galaxy at the rate of one PER SECOND for life, even if they'd been doing it since the beginning of time, would they even have found us yet? Adding a wrinkle... what if they checked our little backwoods before there was life here? My thoughts run along the lines of... the sheer size of the universe (or even only the galaxy) virtually gaurantees that there is both life and intelligent life out there, but by the same reasoning, the chances it has found us becomes vanishingly small in direct proportion to the increase of chances of them being out there in the first place.
Bashing science...

Get real. You have right now at your fingertips a tool more powerful than any of the great inventors who changed the world ever dreamed of. Go invent or discover something... money isn't needed, a $200 computer puts you far ahead o the greats in every respect save... genius, which we seem to be singularly lacking these days.

On that note, I'd like to thank Richie for this little gem:
Maybe it's just me, but it seems that the paradigm here at RI-commentland involves the belief that all establishment views are wrong so anything diametrically opposed to those views must be right.

Sadly, I don't agree.

And second that motion.

IC: You mentioned two of my all time favorite authors, Julian May and Iain M. Banks, in one paragraph. Hat tip. BTW - If confronted with such a scenario, I think I would rather join the rebels in their bid for individuality rather than joining the pan-galactic ubermind. ;)

10/12/2007 05:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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10/12/2007 10:12:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

"Palladium is going to run a little faster to the upside because the funds are buying. As soon as they get out, you are not going to find the bottom," he said.

Palladium was last traded at $377/381 an ounce, up from $372.50/376.50 late in New York on Wednesday.


The euro gained for a third straight day against the dollar Thursday as markets worried the U.S. Federal Reserve would slash interest rates again to boost the economy..

Gold was also reaping benefits from rising oil that boosted its role as a hedge against oil-led inflation. U.S. crude surged more than 2 percent to finish at $83.08 a barrel, after a surprise decline in the U.S. inventories stirred concern about supplies in the United States ahead of winter.

On the supply front, South African gold output fell 4.9 percent in volume terms and overall minerals production fell 3.1 percent in August compared with the same month the previous year, official data showed.

The benchmark August 2008 gold contract on the Tokyo Commodity Exchange finished up 14 yen or 0.5 percent at the day's peak of 2,836 yen, the highest for any TOCOM gold benchmark since March 1985.

Silver also rose to $13.71/13.76 an ounce from its previous close of $13.53/13.58

10/12/2007 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Very sorry I haven't been able to make it back here for a few days, since Drew and Tsoldrin made such interesting comments. I'll make very brief replies, on the odd chance that you guys might return again.


I'm very interested in this theory of yours on an epistemological level. I have to admit that I'm so deeply visual in my thinking that I don't intuitively comprehend all of what you're saying about the materialism of harmonics. I get it in a sideways fashion, but I'd have to go back and teach myself how to read music again to really understand what you mean. I've been playing by ear for so long that musical theory and notation are just dim memories.

I do have two things to say about your last response, however. The first is that those guys I listed, especially Schauberger, were not operating out of the Western tradition at all. Schauberger had no training as a scientist--he intuited his understanding of Nature from long years of silent observation. He would literally sit by a stream, focus on a point, and let the underlying forces at play inform him. (Tesla also once wrote that everything he knew came to him in a flash when he was 15 and that was very much afraid that the public might one day learn that all of his experiments and equipment were merely incomplete attempts to find applications for what he received in an instant without any indoctrination to mediate between himself and the experience.)

More to the point, if you look at Schauberger's work, especially in his only book, Our Sensless Toil: the Cause of the World-crisis (never translated, apparently, although I'm working on it--Callum Coats' books on Schauberger are supposed to be good, but I just received the open source link yesterday, so...), you'll see that what he envisioned was nothing like a continuation of the mad drive to dominate & decimate Nature. His concept of eco-technology does not sound far different from what you're talking about with the non-Western musical approach.

The other, deeper question you raise is whether it's possible to build a science which resonates with Life & Nature, to which I have to answer an emphatic "Yes!" Consider: in all the possible worlds of the imagination of reality, anything & everything is possible. So what if we're still saddled with Empire? This does not mean that no understanding of Nature is possible. I've been reading Eugene Tsui a lot recently. He's a direct descendant of Schauberger & Eckhart: syntropy is the way of Nature, the model of over-unity itself. We know many examples of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts...and yet, we either ignore this if we're orthodox believers in entropy, or overlook it in our search for an alternative to the madness at hand.

The answer is sitting right in front of us.


The thing that separates you from Ron Paul is that you're a libertarian in the mold of RAW--you know that we could live in a world of abundance right here & now. The only thing that puzzles me about your stance is why, if you know this and that scarcity is being manipulated, you think there's no other realistic alternative right now to the market system. Abundance is the alternative--Smith writes, right at the beginning of Wealth of Nations, that all economies are economies of scarcity.

Think about this for a moment.

This means that the system you see as the best alternative for the time being is diametrically opposed to what you know is the only sustainable, liberty-ensuring socio-economic model. This contradiction doesn't make any sense at all. I understand your reasoning, it just doesn't make any sense. Why settle for something that's the opposite of what you believe is right?

Here's the crux of the biscuit: the free market (even if it were really "free") could not assimilate free goods & services, including the free energy in which you've expressed an interest. If you were completely self-sufficient, why would you need a market, a government, or any system at all? (Aside from a system of free universities, for example, or cooperative terra-forming & space exploration groups...)

Very quickly now with the rest, although I could write a great deal about what you've written. No arguments with your view of the healthcare swindle. I do take some exception to the "science bashing" (unless you were referring to Drew's asymmetrical spiel), since it's the dogma and the business of science to which I object, not the pursuit of knowledge and understanding.

This is exactly what RAW meant when he attacked dogma in any form, from without or within.

Finally, May empathizes with the Rebels (as does Banks), but the solution they both find is that the "Hivemind" is not the controlling, will-sapping entities that our propagandists have painted it as. All that is really is unattenuated empathy--abundance based on the inability to exploit or endure the suffering of any fellow creature.

Another very quick read on this you might want to check out is Spider Robinson's Time Pressure, which has been rereleased together with Mindkiller in one volume called Deathkiller.

Actually, all of Spider's books play with this idea, and for good reason.

Everything we've talked about in this thread and in this blog in general pivots on the question of scarcity or abundance. With one we have fear and manipulation--history as we know it--and with the other we have the only viable future. A future in which everyone is free from want and control.

Strangely enough, no one's really talking about this as the essential choice we face. I wonder why?

10/13/2007 10:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah IC: Sounds like you'll need to read my blogbook. Ah-hem! haha.

Tesla was embroiled in patent conflict so much that his energy was greatly diverted. Then when J.P. Morgan found out Tesla wanted a patent-free technology Tesla's funding was dropped. Schauberger similarly was "forced" into applying his energy for the Nazi-U.S. patent-genocide agenda and Keely had his work absconded by Skull and Bone's Jacob Astor.

That's why I recommended David F. Noble's book "Forces of Production." Independent inventors are within the purview of Freemasonic reality.

Consider, in supposed contrast, the Taoist alchemists who churned out much of the West's technological foundation (a la Robert Temple's details). Well those gadgets were seen basically as toys for pure creative joy (no patent-royalty system; no phonetic-based symmetric logic; no state-military control).

The Ming global exploration in the early 1400s, as per the book 1421, was based on the Lunar Eclipse navigation system, while the West had stopped using such a Lunar-centric system because of the Freemasonic Solar Dynasty legacy.

But instead of this being a Moon-Sun issue, as Gurdjieff points out the West is obsessed with dualities when in fact reality is based on a three-in-one or Tetrad system -- USING ASYMMETRY.

So Nature is being destroyed because left-brain logic with right-hand technology transforms left-hand carbon-based molecules into right-hand silica-based post-apocalypse.

Nature doesn't "invent" things -- technological production at best is external alchemy but this is not possible outside of the context of a left-brain, right-hand realm of awareness.

The alchemists come from the blacksmiths which were the mediators between the left-brain priests (originally right-brain poet-musicians or griots) and the right-brain animist shamans (tribal trance transduction).

The blacksmiths were already instituting a "divide and average" system that may have not been phonetic but became so under the Babylonians and then the Brahmins introduced zero, both sources leading to the Greek-Egyptian development for axiomatic logic, from the square root of two as infinity.

So both Tesla and Schauberger used symmetric-based math (not asymmetric complimentary opposites). Keely also used symmetric-based math (relying on 4:5 as the major third, which is a very fascinating philosophical issue, detailed in my blogbook).

This issue of switching to a sound-based perceptual system is very radical indeed but only such a system, the Tai-Chi Tetrad Tribal Trance Transduction, utilizes resonance from the formless awareness (without the need to rely on symmetric-based math models)!

10/13/2007 05:10:00 PM  
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10/14/2007 09:09:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...

In my haste I mistakenly said the 5th is mathematically perfect. Should've noted that this is true of the perfect 5th, but that this fifth does not exist in most Western music for reasons which you've laid out:

so that these flatted, shrunken spiral of fifths would shrink inharmonically to fit within particular octaves.

IOW, temperament: "Temperament has been called "controlled mistuning" and is used to compensate for the acoustic phenomena that all perfect fifths and perfect octaves in all keys can not exist at the same time." (source

This adaptation is also known as Pythagorean tuning (stolen from the Chinese perhaps?).

The "Music and Harmonics" section above [at the link] talked of notes fitting ...into an 8-note scale and [ignored]...that this is actually unnatural [because it is] the harmonics [that are not octaves] that the human body and mind tend[s] to recognize as...pretty: fifths.

But the octave is the most natural unit to base the scale on since it is an exact proportion, a self-contained, repeating cycle. I think the most unsophisticated listener would agree that the octave is harmonious! It doesn't do what a fifth does, but why should it? Every interval has its unique character.

I just wonder if there isn't some way to preserve the octave -- the most basic division -- while dividing it into equal intervals, while still preserving the admittedly sonorous 4ths and 5ths.
(No time to do the math on that one ... nor do I have the equipment to play such alternative tunings, although you can find sound samples out there.)

Harry Partch used a 43-tone scale. I'm not able to listen to his music now, though, so I can't say whether that is any improvement.

My feeling is that things were originally designed to be mathematically proportionate, but somewhere along the way -- either in the physical properties of matter that produce sound, or in our perception -- things got thrown off. Sort of like how the solar and lunar years no longer match up, despite evidence that long ago in the past, they did.

Re: the cymatic therapy, the chiropractor I visited uses electrical microcurrent for treatment, and a similar method (technically, measuring the electrical impedance thru meridian points) for diagnosis.

I wonder what qi/kundalini sounds like. Since I've been throwing off a lot of that energy for the last 10 years or so, maybe I'd better learn how to get it all tuned up and start healing people or something. Just yesterday I was hanging out with an acquaintance who is a Reiki 2nd degree. At another event last night (art festival) I was talking to a musician how "everything is music."

10/14/2007 09:11:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...

Mark and ericswan: The charisma in a voice is largely in the timbre (tone) and the subtle vibrations that compose the timbre.

I have a book relating to this although I can't for the life of me remember the title and it is packed away awaiting moving ... but it gives ways to "energize" one's voice with the "subtle energies" of the "energy centers." I practiced some of these back in high school, and while any immediate improvement to my voice was negligible (but this probably had to do with allergies and heavy nose/sinus congestion, which literally kill those vibrations), I did experience some strangely blissful energetic sensations. Years later, I experienced a reawakening of this energy, and thru further study I realized that these "energy centers" referred were chakras and that the voice exercises were kundalini yoga.

When I keep my sinuses and nose clear by avoiding allerenic foods, my voice sounds (and feels) great, and I attribute that in part to the exercises and techniques which I still use. The kundalini's still doing its thing too -- whatever that thing is ....

10/14/2007 10:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Author -- what you said about the octave and the fifth is very crucial. The octave actually isn't a perfect rehash of itself, as we presume in the West. This is also the cause of the Pythagorean Comma dilemma that led to logarithmic mathematics. After seven octaves the overtones create the 12 notes of the scale but the final note of the octave is not the same as the original note -- it's not a doubling.

This means that the real natural resonance of octaves is actually a spiral of full-spectrum energy transduction.

This free energy is based on logical inference of overtones achieved through LISTENING or logical inference of complimentary opposites (so the fifth as the first overtone is the principle of generation with 2 as Female and 3 as Male).

The One is not a Number because it does not refer to a physical string -- but rather if one listens to the source of the one, asymmetric or complimentary resonance with FORMLESS AWARENESS occurs as the female source of all energy-consciousness-existence.

This is the 3 in 1 principle.

When applied to the body there are three basic practices: The small universe or microcosmic orbit, Tai Chi or trance dance and the full-lotus.

The vagus nerve transduces the electrochemical hormones so that the serotonin gives the voice a rich, deep healing quality.

10/15/2007 10:01:00 PM  
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10/17/2007 07:14:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...


Do you mean "the octave isn't a perfect rehash of the circle of fifths?" I would agree. Maybe it's not supposed to be.

Can't say much as I am out of time for today.

10/18/2007 11:46:00 PM  
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