Friday, March 07, 2008

The Deep Ones and the Madness of Crowds (Part One)

"I could not but feel that some noxious marine mind had declared a war of extermination upon all the solid ground" - HP Lovecraft, The Crawling Chaos

The Deep Ones

The Overlords of Childhood's End hide their true form for the first 50 years of their benevolent space brother stewardship, calculating that a half century of alien new order will be sufficient to overthrow millennia of religious patterning and superstition. It almost is. But there is still shock at their appearance: barbed-tail, horns and leathery-wings, like the demons of discarded faiths. The classic imagery of a demon had been a prefigurement imprinted upon humanity at the revelation of its doom, and cast back through race memory as an instance of reverse causation.

It would be bad enough if Clarke were right, though his godlike aliens had the grace of intellect and empathy even as they took Earth into receivership. Lovecraft's gelatinous, slobbering gods, not so much. And it's Lovecraft I worry about, and his Deep Ones dreaming.

Narrating the IMAX documentary Deep Sea, Johnny Depp's first words are to assure us we're not watching science fiction, and the creatures are not from another planet. The creatures are jellyfish, and the assurance that this is our own world fails to comfort me. Their biomass now surpasses ocean vertebrates, and are found in staggering quantities where they have never been seen in number before, because we have sickened the waters with overfishing and the climate is trending towards conditions unseen since the Carboniferous Era.

Complexity is the product of cooling, a process observable on every order of scale. The world we recognize and of which we're a part is the product of a climate mild enough to encourage diversity and intricacy. Brainless and simple jellies thrive in warm waters, and catastrophic warming means devolution of the seas back into primordial soups. The new plague of jellies appears as a harbinger of the end of the world we know from out of the world we didn't: from out of Deep Time. From slime, back to slime.

Billions of luminescent mauve stingers, "in a dense pack of about 10 square miles and 35 feet deep," wiped out Northern Ireland's only salmon farm last November. "In 30 years, I've never seen anything like it," said Northern Salmon's Managing Director John Russell. "It was unprecedented, absolutely amazing. The sea was red with these jelly fish and there was nothing we could do about it, absolutely nothing." This is more than three months old and you may have already forgotten the report, but is there a rival to this horror in all of Lovecraft's fiction? More than three months on and I still can't shake it, and it's at least worthy of the signs and wonders of a blind idiot god.

Translucent, mutable and iridescent, 98% water and almost entirely not there, a jelly is perhaps as close to a phantom as a creature can be and yet still belong to the material realm. In this respect at least it transcends the material, and gives great metaphor for the ineffable and alien yet familiar Other. Which may partly account for why they're seen these days in even less likely places than off the coast of Ireland. The sky above, for instance.

In October 2005, Bolivian Gustavo Ponce reported something above the town Oruro that was so foreign to his frame of reference that at first he refused to believe what he was seeing:

"It was a very strange and shiny figure that could be seen through the binoculars. I went ahead and took out my camcorder to videotape the UFO in the sky. As the camera zoomed toward the object, I could how it was breaking down into a shape resembling a jellyfish or something like it. It was very strange."

He added that the object was flying over the eastern part of the city and that it was the first time he had ever seen such an object, having never had previous visual contact with a UFO. [Newspaper] La Patria visited Ponce's home to see the images captured by his camcorder, attesting to the fact that the shining object broke down into a full circumference, adopting the shape of a jellyfish.

Last June, a "jellyfish-shaped UFO" was seen over Shanghai. And from Sidney, British Columbia:

I stepped outside at 9:10 PM, to have a smoke and saw a bright orange ball of light heading south directly at me on September 9, 2007. My wife came out and we watched it pass overhead. I grabbed the binoculars and we both had multiple turns viewing it. My wife describes it as an "orange jellyfish" that I agree with looked like that to me too but it had a structure to the leading edge of the sphere like a crescent. It was very brilliant, pulsated and jiggled slightly. It looked like a glowing orange jellyfish and flew south over Sidney at a increasing rate of speed dimming from view.

Four days later, while Greg Lauver was driving through the Colorado town of Durango:

While driving through town on US Highway 550 on September 13, 2007, I saw an object like a glowing diamond filled with countless strands of yellow-white light at 4:50 PM. Each strand was a string of countless beads of gleaming white, all of which floated in a transparent medium which permitted the sky color to pass through yet also glowed faintly due to its contents. It reminded me of a spectacular back-lit picture of a live jellyfish by National Geographic.

Then most recently, and famously, the Stephenville UFO.

Witness Erath County Constable Lee Roy Gaitan describes his January 12, 2008 encounter:

I watch this thing in the police video and it appears to be some type of aerial object that is round. It changes from white to these different colors. The police officer says, ‘Keep watching,’ and I watched for approximately another eight minutes. And then this thing, right in front of my eyes, changes and it looks almost like a jellyfish. I compare it maybe even to a parachute – and now a very bright white. The green and blue and red is no longer flashing. It holds that shape for probably two minutes. And then to my surprise, it changes vertically like a line straight up and down.

The deeper a Lovecraft protagonist delves towards the realm of the Deep Ones, beneath the banal surface order of things, the closer he draws to madness. There's no bargaining; no appeal to reason or mercy. It's a doomed commitment to seek out pitiless truth that will either kill the hero or render him senseless. Devotion to the dumb lords is no escape. Devotion's only reward is the privilege of being eaten first.



Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just put my long red coat on.

Frater Plecticus

3/07/2008 05:14:00 AM  
Blogger middleworld said...

Some nasty fascist shit is being summoned by the very organized dark magic occult. Light magic of love will protect us. In the deepest depths all is love. The jellyfish are a powerful apparition, a distortion, and life goes much, much deeper than they do.

Consciousness is love. This I have learned and believe. If light magic gets organized as well, we too can impact planetary transformation.

We should assemble. Join forces. Feel the love.

3/07/2008 06:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,if one hadn't noticed ,I would have to say that fiction is now reality.Somehow I have a strange feeling that things are about to get stranger.What ever mind fuck they have cooked up for the sheepul will blow most of Merica's fragile little pea brains.Middleworld your right on with the dark magic occult,if anyone doesn't think this shit really works I have bad news for you,later.

3/07/2008 06:44:00 AM  
Blogger Peter Greene said...

Hmmm...UFO jellyfish. Now, don't some jellyfish employ lures? And don't some close encounter types report seeing or meeting not-quite-human looking people? Maybe the probes are actually digestive-juice-injecting stingers and the confused memories of survivors are due to the sophisticated neurotoxins used by these vast, simple Gods of the sky to lull land animals as the fragile, trembling monsters mindlessly FEAST upon them.

Slavering with madness,
Lord Reptor.

3/07/2008 07:19:00 AM  
Blogger Peter Greene said...

Plus, now we know why the oldest operating culture in the world (China) has those big wide hats. keep the tentacles off.

Or mebbe Dick's plasmatics are coming to save us all.

Off to worship the Throbbing Sky Blob in the yard at 4:30 in the morning,
Lord Reptor

3/07/2008 07:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mankind is adaptable. Surely some geneticist will create a peanut butter fish. You know the rest.

3/07/2008 08:43:00 AM  
Blogger Peter Greene said...

P.S. Jeff, that was a really fun post.

Wide-eyed since the wee hours (and now well wired with two coffees),
Lord Reptor.

3/07/2008 09:13:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

This is worth the wait, thanks Jeff.

middleworld said...

“ Consciousness is love. This I have learned and believe. If light magic gets organized as well, we too can impact planetary transformation.”

Perhaps consciousness aligned with Divine Order is love, but there seems to be plenty of icky consciousness expressions going around now.

“We should assemble. Join forces. Feel the love.”

Muddy, like you I also see great unrealized potential within this thing we call life. Yet I see little effort at even finding the proper center where we can indeed join forces, and feel the love.

I tend to think that we are always surrounded by beings that may have their own tangible expression within sets of frequencies that while in the same space, normally do not interact with other realms (frequency sets) unless (contrived?) resonant conditions are set up. Is this the rending of the Vail?

Channeled material:

“It is with careful and focused intent that the reality of this earthly experience is being engineered into a pattern of downward movement into the darker and heavier energies that are at the lower end of the scale in which the human body can exist. This makes the contact between the extension (spirit in body) and its Soul (focused source) more difficult. This is not the whole of the intent. This allows for the possibility of the separation of the two energies. Intricate manipulations of this extension energy must be accomplished in order for this to be a possibility. The "capture" of this Soul energy is for the purpose of causing a break in the chain of energies that extend from the matrix of the Soul. It is the belief of those doing this that it will cause a breaking down of the positive energies that comprise the basic building blocks of Creation. In other words, they perceive that causing a break in the return flow of this energy back to its source will cause a disruption in the larger combined pattern of the Galactic matrix. The conception of this group of separatists is that a chain reaction will happen allowing for chaos to such a degree that their focus can reorganize this chaos into their own matrix. This is quite an arrogant and ambitious undertaking. The plan includes many more quite fantastic steps to follow through to its completion. This is not a plan conceived on a moment’s notice. It is one that has been put together over eons of time in your counting. However, since their plans are counter to the controlling parameters within which Creation has come into manifested experience, they are unable to take advantage of the processes that also act as fail-safe guards available to the Creation for the purpose of preventing this planned procedure from causing such an event.

Those who have chosen to mock the creator’s plan must not write it.”

wv (moviuh)

3/07/2008 09:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff seaid:
"More than three months on and I still can't shake it, and it's at least worthy of the signs and wonders of a blind idiot god."

Like Jehovah you mean.

More of the distractive b.s. that Lovecraft's stories were more than typed out words of an imaginitive and gifted writer: that he was a dark magician and knew of the Old Ones - as if the term "the Old Ones" meant something real simply because he used it in his FICTION.

The blind idiot god of the REAL fundies and zionists needs to be of greater concern.

3/07/2008 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


That's what I'm afraid of...

3/07/2008 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nothing new under the sun? Sofia to the rescue.Scary monsters/superfreaks, keep me running, running scared. A nice walk in the sunshine will dispel any such tomfoolery. Shine forth brave souls. Respectfully, Dennis from Oregon.

3/07/2008 11:48:00 AM  
Blogger Eugene said...

Great Post! Some tentacle trails that entered my gray matter...

Trevor James Constable's 35mm infrared pics of plasmatic creatures in the sky from 'Cosmic Pulse of Life'. The last http pic listed above is awesome and thats in a frightful way.

From Wikipedia entry on Lovecraft's Cthulu...

One cultist, known as Old Castro, provides the most elaborate information given in Lovecraft's fiction (not so fiction ehhh? eugene) about Cthulhu. The Great Old Ones, according to Castro, had come from the stars to rule the world in ages past.

“They were not composed altogether of flesh and blood. They had shape...but that shape was not made of matter. When the stars were right, They could plunge from world to world through the sky; but when the stars were wrong, They could not live. But although They no longer lived, They would never really die. They all lay in stone houses in Their great city of R'lyeh, preserved by the spells of mighty Cthulhu for a glorious resurrection when the stars and the earth might once more be ready for Them."

...Castro explains the role of the Cthulhu Cult: When the stars have come right for the Great Old Ones, "some force from outside must serve to liberate their bodies. The spells that preserved Them intact likewise prevented them from making an initial move."

At the proper time, “the secret priests would take great Cthulhu from His tomb to revive His subjects and resume His rule of earth....Then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom."

One can listen to the words of Ricahrd Dolan, author of UFO's and the National Security State, and get the real sense there's something LARGE under the surface, see here -

Then one can read about Vladimir Putin and the awakenening of Chuthulu, see here -

and here,

The sigil on the back is somewhat Sigillum Aemeth. Its definitely the Cross of Cain in the middle surrounded by heptamaron of planets that would control, ie filter the arrangement of star light as previously alluded to by Old Castro...all fiction of course, wink!

Donald Tyson, a well written occultist has some thoughts in this very direction, ie the opening of the gates and the return of Choronzon, ie the Old Ones...

This is the very message of the One who returns dressed in red and says to the "birds of the heavens" eat up! Revelation 19 mates this event as the wedding feast of God! Dont you love the table? Le humanity foie gras, delicacy of despair.

When we and all our ancestors have been force fed lie upon lie upon lie the comparison to foie gras is disturbing, way way way on down down down in the deep of my jelly mind...

The only consolation would be...does not the eaten eventually see through the eater's eye?

Tophet, tophet, tophet, tophet, tophet, tophet, tophet, tophet, tophet, tophet...

3/07/2008 11:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,Sounder,do think someone could maybe seperate our souls from our spirit body?What if they could create a collective consiousness,on the scale of a DMT trip for all of us?A blast straight to the pineal gland,triggered by some type of frequency propagated in an electromagnetic wave,maybe similar to the work the professer at VTC was working on before he had the bad luck of being in the wrong place at the wrong time,later.

3/07/2008 12:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...jellyfish and space aliens...not one of your better post Jeff.

3/07/2008 12:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Or (the Unbelievers' state) is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean, overwhelmed with billow topped by billow, topped by (dark) clouds: depths of darkness, one above another: if a man stretches out his hands, he can hardly see it! for any to whom Allah giveth not light, there is no light! [24:40]

3/07/2008 12:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


When you write (of the attack of the Irish jellyfish): "it's at least worthy of the signs and wonders of a blind idiot god (sic)," you betray so very clearly your luciferian bent for all to see.

It is, however, precisely what one would expect from a 'blind idiot' hack writer such as yourself.

Now show us your leathery wings and horns....

3/07/2008 01:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a bad post at all. I don't know why some of you are complaining. This is Jeff's MO, and always has been. What kills me is Jeff will tell us we're doomed, and I couldn't agree more, then the idiot freak commentators will have to ruin the moment by telling us we can conquer it with a conscious love aligned with the Divine Order. Fuck that shit. Can't we just feel hopeless and doomed without you motherfuckers telling us everything will be okay if we just aligned ourselves with something called a Divine Order? Please, enough of the preaching already. Let us feel the doom and gloom and quit telling us everything will be alright if we don't put our underwear on backwards.

3/07/2008 01:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I, for one, welcome and cannot wait to meet our new Jellyfish Overlords! In preparation, I marinate my brain in a delicious home-made BBQ sauce so that they will it that much more delicious to slurp on!

Anyone have any links to pictures of the jellyfish destroying the salmon farm?

3/07/2008 02:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


You are all doomed!

Your blog posts will not save you!

We are coming!

@anonymous #5--

Just so you know, we prefer TERIYAKI sauce to BBQ sauce.

3/07/2008 02:09:00 PM  
Blogger jan said...

Djwal Khul said:

. . . . Heat and moisture are present in the production of all forms of life, but the great mystery . . . is how the merging of three (Cosmic) fires can produce moisture or the watery element. This problem and this phenomenon constitute the basis of the Great Illusion to which the ancient books refer; through the agency of the combination, the enveloping maya is produced. There is, in reality, no such thing as water; the water sphere, the astral plane, is, . . . an illusory effect and has no real existence. Yet—in time and space and to the understanding of the witnessing consciousness—it is more real than that which it hides and conceals.

3/07/2008 02:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don’t bother trying to stay out of the ocean…..the alien jellyfish are drawing you in with their subliminal magnetic pulses. You will put your stinky beach towel in your Camry….you will take off all your clothes and walk into the ocean … will bring with you a bottle of Lawry’s Seasoning Salt.

3/07/2008 02:21:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

"Anonymous One,Sounder,do think someone could maybe separate our souls from our spirit body?"

While this may be the objective, no I do not see it as a possibility. The forces trying are not as smart as they think they are. The web that created them is much stronger than is their ability to dissolve it.

3/07/2008 02:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff.... so you choose a picture of Obamans to lead off this article about Cthulu comin' to get us.

I think maybe a reference to the Bush/Clinton/BCCI style octopus would have been a bit more fitting myself.

Obama is probably not the saint he is being made out to be by some. But earlier you posted in the forums how you prefer Clinton to Osama. How exactly can that be? Clinton would appear to have a lot closer ties to the real hidden Octopus than Obama? You know, the Mena Arkansas, Barry Seal type coverups?

It's a little upsetting that there appears on the front to be no substance to the Obama hate on sites like this one and Cannonfire. Just some type of fear of what the ignorance masses are up to.

Other than the Octopus and UFO stuff, and the slum Lord Rezko, is there any solid foundation for this Obama fear you guys might like to mention? I'm dying to know what motivates this???

3/07/2008 03:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You want substance to Obama hate? How about his determination to use force on the Iranian nuclear question - regardless of the fact that doing so would be considered an act of war by Russia? How about the fact that just like John McCain, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, John Kerry, George Bush Sr. and Dick Cheney he is a member of the elite global socialist front, the Council on Foreign Relations? How about the fact that every supposed solution proposed by Obama involves higher taxes and bigger government control over our lives? Is that substantial enough for you?

3/07/2008 04:37:00 PM  
Blogger Thomas M. Cosgrove said...

Hi, All;
This one has me thinking only
"As Below, so Above"
and everything that might indicate.

3/07/2008 04:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Auspicious timing: jellyfish-like UFOs on Earthfiles today:


3/07/2008 04:52:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff Wells said...

"Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff.... so you choose a picture of Obamans to lead off this article about Cthulu comin' to get us."

I'm sorry I had to leave this post unfinished, because I'll be getting to that.

"Obama is probably not the saint he is being made out to be by some. But earlier you posted in the forums how you prefer Clinton to Osama. How exactly can that be?"

As I said on the board, and as I'll elaborate in the second half of the post, that's entertainment. With a hair's breadth of difference between the last one's standing, amusement's the only honest response we have left.

3/07/2008 04:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was SO convinced from the graphic that you were going to trace the thematic thread through to Obama and the false renewal of hope among the most idealistic of Democratic supporters. I didn't know exactly how, but I really thought you would do it.

And I have to admit I was more than a touch disappointed when you didn't....

Cheers, tho'!

3/07/2008 05:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The UFO-Jelly Fish operates on the following neural network complexity: I was meditating on some conversations I had with a couple coworkers interested in the full-lotus alchemy. We had discussed how the Big Accumulator is the cerebellum and the Kundabuffer is the small of the back -- based on Gurdjieff's system. My coworker asked what the cerebellum was for again and we both said: oh yeah -- inhibiting neuron messages.

The activation-inhibition system of the brain is actually too complex to model -- I checked my JZ Young Oxford book: "Programs of the Mind" and was amazed to discover it's the same model as the Tai-Chi symbol!

For example if a "feature detector" of the brain perceives a vertical line that gives the message to "attack" then depending on the "taste" of the line (food) the attack continues but if "pain" is experienced then the attack must be inhibited and a retreat is activated.

This system uses complementary opposites - so attack also equals inhibited pain while retreat is inhibited taste and then I realized that Kundabuffer is the retreat of the system while the Big Accumulator, the cerebellum is the attack of the system.

How this works while in Full-lotus is a variation on what I call the Yan Xin Secret -- Yan Xin has people focus the third eye onto the hands which are held in front of the lower tan tien. The light from the third eye then reflects back into the yin energy of the lower tan tien -- but the light originates through the Big Accumulator, sucked in through the back of the skull.

Meanwhile the hands, reflecting the "good taste" of the Big Accumulator attack light then acts as the Yin (front of the body ) -- to INHIBIT the PAIN of the full-lotus -- Kundabuffer (the small of the back). In turn the increase good taste is now what used to be inhibited pain -- the retreat is now the attack - yin is now yang. And the good taste (bliss) creates a laser in the center of the body which further feeds the third eye, Big Accumulator intake of light.

This is how the body is turned into a laser free energy system. as per today's new creation of black-white holes using refractive index lasers.;jsessionid=BD136850D3A0AEEED679E9180726E22E

3/07/2008 05:24:00 PM  
Blogger Wiglaf said...

"mojo unfiltered" wrote: When you write (of the attack of the Irish jellyfish): "it's at least worthy of the signs and wonders of a blind idiot god (sic)," you betray so very clearly your luciferian bent for all to see.

And you betray your devotion to Yahweh for all to see. Which is better: One Who demands absolute physical and mental servitude in His protection racket; or one who merely "tempts" — with knowledge?

The Authoritarian's own mythology explains them well.

3/07/2008 05:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"How about his determination to use force on the Iranian nuclear question - regardless of the fact that doing so would be considered an act of war by Russia... he is a member of the elite global socialist front, the Council on Foreign Relations... How about the fact that every supposed solution proposed by Obama involves higher taxes and bigger government control over our lives?"

No you're just being a kook. He didn't say he was going to attack Iran. He said "the use of military force should not be taken off the table when dealing with Iran." Clinton, McCain and Obama all agree on that, so don't just single him out.

Yeah, and so he is a member of CFR...
NO U.S. PRESIDENT that has ever lived,lived life in a bubble apart from the power structures that run this world. Stop being silly ok? Do you think Benjamin Franklin? George Washington? Thomas Jefferson were all perfect? No, first off they owned human slaves. Second, most were Masons and Ben Franklin eve ran in circles associated with the Hellfire Club in Britain. People in power have associations that most of us wouldn't care for. So please stop acting like children and look at the real world for what it is.

If any politician is totally untainted by corruption he soon will be because that is how they play this game. You just have to hope YOUR guy understands this and is willing to fight against his own nature to succumb to power and corruption. Half of the world's leaders are criminals you know?

WHOEVER becomes president is going to have to deal with these creeps. SOMEONE HAS TO DO IT.

Some of you really disturb me. You're like frogs boiling in hot water who think it is too hopeless to even make an attempt to jump out. You're only response to the fact that your being boiled to death is "Gee, life sucks. I'm boiling to death. Hopeless."

The world sucks because some people are whiners and the other people make it to the top by slapping the whiners around.


3/07/2008 05:57:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff Wells said...

"I was SO convinced from the graphic that you were going to trace the thematic thread through to Obama and the false renewal of hope among the most idealistic of Democratic supporters. I didn't know exactly how, but I really thought you would do it.

"And I have to admit I was more than a touch disappointed when you didn't....

I'm disappointed too that I haven't gotten there yet, but that's where I mean to go.

3/07/2008 06:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, Lisa, but Obama and JFK were not, and are not "all that." They're corrupt politicians in an incredibly corrupt system called Civilization.

3/07/2008 07:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This country is so ripe for an assassination, you can just smell it, can't you? I think people are silently cheering for one, not just expecting one. Assassinations are entertainment, and we need a solid dose of authenticity in that department.

3/07/2008 07:18:00 PM  
Blogger doctoradder said...

On fiction becoming reality:

"A long, gliding, sticky, serpent-like coil came from behind and caught me round the waist, dragging me out of the fuselage. I tore at it, my fingers sinking into the smooth, glue-like surface, and for an instant I disengaged myself, but only to be caught round the boot by another coil, which gave me a jerk that tilted me almost on to my back."

Undaunted spiritualist and faerie-chaser Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a story entitled The Horror of the Heights which describes early aviators encountering bizarre, unfamiliar jellyfish-like creatures in the upper atmosphere. Doyle's underlying premise seems to have been that, just as explorers discovered increasingly strange and unfamiliar creatures in the ocean deeps as they delved further into its mysteries, humankind would discover new life forms in the furthest heights.

"I have seen the beauty and I have seen the horror of the heights--and greater beauty or greater horror than that is not within the ken of man."

3/07/2008 07:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The jellies may have the tentacles, but by god man we have the balls, i propose the nuclear option....followed by an ocean of fluoro green radioactive snot.

3/07/2008 08:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That was funny, Bikini Atollah... but didn't the History Channel already get to the bottom of this alien jellyfish business? They're called Orgone Monsters in my book. Here's the relevant excerpt:

“Waitta second, man!” Skip cuts in. “I think I saw that show! Wasn’t that the one where those Canadian research guys had the electromagnetic motorcycle helmet? And when they strapped it on their mailman, he hallucinated that he got abducted by aliens!”

“You’re talking about Michael Persinger’s experiments,” Gordon informs Skip.

“Dude, that was it!” D.H. claps his hands in recognition.

“Man, the poor guy thought they probed all his orifices and everything!”

“You guys foo-ah shit,” says Hideous, unconvinced.

“Dude, we are so not full of shit,” D.H. says. “This show explained everything. Check this out: There’s a part of our brains that hallucinates a classic alien abduction scenario whenever it’s exposed to intense electromagnetic waves—which can happen around geological fault lines and places like that. Mostly our skulls keep us protected from normal electromagnetic shit, but then there are these sort of sky creatures—”

Orgone Monsters,” Skip fills in.

“—that live at the upper end of the electromagnetic scale.”

“So they’re invisible,” Skip says, taking over. “But they look like giant amoebas when you take pictures of ‘em with infrared film. They live up in the sky like fishes in the ocean, but sometimes they get sick and heat up—and then guess what happens?”

“What?” Hideous asks. Gordon doesn’t know the answer to that one, either.

“They look just like UFOs!” Skip and D.H. both say at once.

3/07/2008 09:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Rhopilema nomadica, to give the Herzlian jellyfish its proper scientific moniker, is known in Hebrew as a "medusa," which is its generic scientific name. For a brief period each summer, the jellyfish arrives in swarms and lands inert on our beaches, a pulsating quivering blob, resembling most the unappealing dessert that has given it its name. The infestation lasts for nine days. On the tenth day, their corpses having been bagged by workers from the municipality, the jellyfish disappear and, like some insubstantial pageant faded, leave not a rack behind.

Now here's the interesting bit. The nine days during which the jellyfish engage in their orgy of self-destruction do not coincide with any particular period of the Gregorian calendar. In this the jellyfish differs from the cicada. But those days do coincide remarkably with a particular period of the Jewish calendar. The corpses first appear with the new moon for the Jewish month of Av and they disappear after the Fast of the Ninth of Av, the anniversary of the destruction of both the first and second temples. The Jews call these very days that precede the Fast the Nine Days and they have special religious significance. They are days marked for mourning and are believed to be days of ill omen.

Of course, there is a rational explanation for this ostensibly astonishing synchronicity. The tides that bring in the hapless jellyfish are influenced by the moon. That the jellyfish indulge in their spectacular self-immolation during a particular phase of the moon is thus less surprising than might first appear. Still, they have not chosen any nine days; they have chosen the Nine Days, days on which it is forbidden, under Jewish law, to bathe in the sea."

3/07/2008 10:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...and, even odder, the male self-immolating jellies are circumcized.

3/07/2008 10:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, faux doodad, shouldn't you be kissing Alice's ass or something?

I admit that's a dirty crack but....

3/07/2008 10:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget about the giant squid washing up on beaches in Orange County on January 21, 2005, the day after Bush's Lovecraftian inaugural speech, where he proclaimed that "we have a calling from beyond the stars".

3/08/2008 12:27:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Jeff prefers Clinton? I doubt it. She's the one getting the big money from the military industrial complex.

Boiling water at 211 or 212 degrees is hardly a preference?

As said above, all are CFR steered people.

Anyway, both Clinton and McCain campaigns tied to single elite PR firm Burson-Marsteller.

That's like 1992 when both the Clintons and the Bushes were working on their campaigns together and pretending to be in different parties. After 1992, the heads of their respective 'different party/different ideology' campaign strategy married.

Same as Condi Rice working for Gary Hart (ostensibly Dem) in a presidential election, then Condi ....accepting a job to work for the George H. W Bush administration in 1988.

Stop thinking about party competition. We're talking mostly about factions of leadership in the same unvoiced ideological party of NWOites competing for election(eering), and attempting to appear in all parties because that's the only legitimate social discourses available for them that stops immediate revolution/revolt happening against their plans (since it confuses enough people some of the time), so it makes them all innately hypocrites. If Jeff truly prefers one of these stageshows, and I doubt it, he's still being somewhat gullible?

Party competition and democracy and sustainability and all that can happen, though only in other formal institutional arrangements. The United States formal versions of democracy are poorly arranged for anything anymore except a one-party state run by international criminal networks across the Democratic and Republican parties. Suggestions of what to do are at the link.

3/08/2008 01:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Derek, that nasa footage of the broken tether drifting into jellyfish central is fascinating, here's a good investigation into it...

3/08/2008 05:24:00 AM  
Blogger middleworld said...


A cracked jaguar tooth
I stand before the truth
Truth I stand before thee
bite me truth
rip into me
rip into my bones
tear me
eat me truth
tear into my heart
truth you are the moon
you are those stones my blood now covers
you are invisible truth
like air
more invisible than air truth
you are death
you are unknown
scientists don’t know what you are
I know you are
bite me truth
eat me
fill me with your not knowing teeth
tear me apart
jaguar truth
a cracked jaguar truth
I stand before thee
Tear me a new one truth
I am here and you are here
This is truth
Jaguar tooth
I am your sacrifice
I am becoming
Truth tear me apart
Set me on the tables and chairs
Invisible as air
You are everywhere truth
Come into me
As I enter you
I surrender before thee becoming
I surrender
I am your nourishment
Eat me truth
Tear me apart
I cannot run anymore
I am tired
Here I am
Eat me.

3/08/2008 07:04:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Translucent, mutable and iridescent, 98% water and almost entirely not there, a jelly is perhaps as close to a phantom as a creature can be and yet still belong to the material realm. In this respect at least it transcends the material, and gives great metaphor for the ineffable and alien yet familiar Other.

I'm just reaching for the popcorn, ready enough to feast my brain on yet more of Jeff's dispirited doom...and then I see that he's fixed upon the Iridescent Ones as this week's avatars of Gloom.

Is nothing sacred? I mean, how cheesy can it get? We're obviously losing some complexity up in Canada if this is where our oracle is trawling. First we have the comic misreading of Clarke's obedient dues-paying propaganda; buried only slightly deeper than the skin of the devil gimmick in Childhood's End is the anti-communist, free-trade-is-freedom fear of telepathy and the "hivemind." The corporate answer to Teilhard de Chardin's Omega Point (which was making the establishment nervous in those Eisenhower years), Childhood's End was quickly made a staple of high school American Lit, gauranteed to scare any budding peaceniks back into the fearful fold.

The irony of that sort of "individualism" is that we still ended up with a hive of sorts; this herd was in no danger of coming together, however, since an unthinking mass of obedient consumers is freed from all that intellectual rigor. It's not really a herd at all, just a sea of isolated drones afraid to talk to their neighbors. And the direction of the herd's "vision"? Why, backward, of course, back to the slime where we're told it all began.

Contrast that with Teilhard's arrow:

"...We have as yet no idea of the possible magnitude of ' noospheric ' effects, ---human vibrations resounding by the million ---a whole layer of consciousness exerting simultaneous pressure upon the future and the collected and hoarded produce of a million years of thought. Have we ever tried to form an idea of what such magnitudes represent?"

No, we haven't--the rage is all retro, here and everywhere else that the eyes & ears of the so-called herd are stationed. Cheesy sci-fi, 1950s politicking (that oh-so thoughtful thread on the 2008 election on the discussion board is a great example--"I like Hillary," and "I'd like to give McCain a chance"), and then the flatulently fraudulent finale: the culprits must be the Old Ones coming to collect their lunch.

Sure, it was the Old Ones who warmed the seas, not the Old Money of the New Robber Barons--who wants a prosaic answer like that when we can thrill to supernatural agencies and floppy prophecy? So, yeah, forget ExxonMobil; let's blame it on Cthulhu!

(Anyone interested in a vision of the future where the seer knows how to treat the misunderstood iridescent critters with W-shaped eyes should try Rudy Rucker's Postsingular, but watch out! There's real thinking going on in there...)

3/08/2008 10:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Recently reported two masses of floating congealed plastic in the Atlantic and Pacific, between the two of them equaling the land mass size of lower 48 states.
Bad is bad, but we are literally turning our oceans into a garbage dump, a vast resevoir of industrial and consumerist puss.
It would figure from and evolutionary pov that jellyfish would be one of the creatures that could survive in such an altered environment.
The phantoms of the sky may be replicating or imaging the phantoms of the deep, if not in "reality" then perhaps in the memes and sychronicities of our collective unconscious.
Many of our worlds have already "ended". Images of them linger like the ghosts of old uncles.
This too shall pass, but much less will remain to struggle with the poltergeists of the past.

3/08/2008 11:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sure, it was the Old Ones who warmed the seas, not the Old Money of the New Robber Barons--who wants a prosaic answer like that when we can thrill to supernatural agencies and floppy prophecy? So, yeah, forget ExxonMobil; let's blame it on Cthulhu!

IC, what makes you think that ExxonMobil has nothing to do with Cthulu? I don't want to put words in Jeff's mouth, but I think the point of his post is that rampant, blind corporate avarice and rapaciousness has, at its deeper metaphoric level, the worship of dark and insane forces as its foundation. After all, what else is a corporation but an egregore, a spirit?

3/08/2008 11:45:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

IC, what makes you think that ExxonMobil has nothing to do with Cthulu? I don't want to put words in Jeff's mouth, but I think the point of his post is that rampant, blind corporate avarice and rapaciousness has, at its deeper metaphoric level, the worship of dark and insane forces as its foundation. After all, what else is a corporation but an egregore, a spirit?


You're right, of course; I've been riding Jeff's ass for a while now, and probably quite unfairly at that. What you've pointed out here is the reason why, about which I wasn't myself even exactly aware.

It all goes back to the post where Jeff talked about egregores and Sheldrake and all that stuff--the thread where I first met friend Derek, boon companion that he's become...and it's also where the Y in the road separated me from Jeff's dark groove. The thing is that the egregore is not the exclusive property or proprietary process of bad guys and corporations--it happens whenever a link forms between two or more minds ("For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" ~~Matthew 18:20)

Far from a scary notion, this is or can be the most liberating or rather empowering notion in the world--the mechanism whereby consciousness can not only affect the spiritual & material dimensions but actually manifest itself on those planes. Sure, it's scary, fraught with terrible respnsibility, etc, but instead of being voiceless, will-less peons in some game of the Big Boys, we're suddenly conscious actors writing our own lines and suffering our own consequences.

That side of the medallion of the egregore we don't see here, however--never, not once. There's not even any more looking at how the bad guys are pulling the wool over open's all just "Oh, how fucked we are; well and truly are we fucked," which might be an accurate assessment of a good chunk of the zeitgeist, but sheesh! It's not just that it's kinda pointless--it's not even terribly honest if he lets it be felt that THEY have the only egregore engine in town.

As a counter example--and I'm not taling about some sort of phony cheerfulness here, either--there's this thread on the discussion board that talks about the inanity of the pot prohibition (Sen. Harkin re marijuana: hilarious!): how shallow the official story is, how fragile the killer weed egregore has become in the plain light of day.

The relevance is, I think, obvious--the Drug War is no different in kind from all the other edifices of the Archons. Forget the Alamo; let John Wayne stay where he is...just remember what the Gang of Four used to say:

To hell with poverty...we'll get drunk on cheap wine.

3/08/2008 02:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IC, I see where you are coming from now. I agree that egregores need not be inherently bad. It's just that the most powerful ones in this age are bad. And that might not be entirely accidental. My opinion is that corporations were always meant to be the physical bodies of sinister non-corporeal beings already in existence (to the extent that the word already has meaning beyond temporal confines). Otherwise, why give them legal status on par with living mortal beings? That is inexplicably perverse, which is harder to deal with than the explainable perversity.

I'll also agree that Jeff's writing tends to stay in dark places, without any glimmer of light or realistic hope, and therefore can render one powerless. Which leads one to ask: if there are good guys, where are they? I have long suspected that they are present, always, but operate more quietly, both because by their essence they cannot operate within systems of domination, having to respect freewill, and also because we are at a dangerous point in history where showing your hand too quickly may ruin ones chances of success. The way to counter the darkness is to bear witness to it (something that Jeff does effectively), but also to go beyond that and to bear witness to the valuable and beautiful things that are, at the moment, being lost. The way out is to keep in ones mind a vision of an alternative world, one that is in balance and beautiful, and to put as much magical/emotional force behind that vision, as often as possible. We must learn to counter with white magic, which does not involve any kind of coercive force, but rather involves the construction of alternatives.

Remember, the laws of physics are themselves mutable. We need only collectively change our decision about the kind of world we want to live in.

3/08/2008 02:48:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

anon said above:

"Recently reported two masses of floating congealed plastic in the Atlantic and Pacific, between the two of them equaling the land mass size of lower 48 states."

Well, it's been documented and known since before 2000. An early document from the volunteer crew of Charles Moore published something about it in 2001. He found, by mass, any feeders would fill their stomachs with potentially 5x to 6x more plastic than the plankton that they were attempting to eat, in this area.

A free short 12 minute movie on the web (linked below) and other corporate media reports since last year have spread the information around.


A comparison of plastic and plankton in the North Pacific central gyre

Marine Pollution Bulletin, v.42, n.12, Dec01

Charles J. Moore 1 , Shelly L. Moore, Molly K. Leecaster 2 , and Stephen B. Weisberg

1Algalita Marine Research Foundation, 345 Bay Shore Ave., Long Beach CA 90803-1956,

2Present address: INEEL, Bechtel WBXT, Idaho, LLC P.O. Box 1635, Idaho calls, 1D 83415-3779

The potential for ingestion of plastic particles by open ocean filter feeders was assessed by measuring [1] the relative abundance and [2] mass of neustonic plastic and zooplankton near the central high-pressure area of the North Pacific central gyre. Neuston samples were collected at 11 random sites, using a manta trawl lined with 333 u mesh.

The abundance and mass of neustonic plastic was the largest recorded in this area at 334,271 pieces/km' and 5,114 g/km2, respectively. Plankton abundance was approximately five times higher than that of plastic, but the mass of plastic was approximately six times that of plankton. The most frequently sampled types of identifiable plastic were thin films and\ polypropylene/monofilament line. The most frequently sampled type of unidentified plastic was plastic fragments. Cumulatively, these three types accounted for 98% of the total plastic pieces.


film at link, scroll down a page.

Alphabet Soup - A Trip to the Eastern Garbage Patch in the North Pacific Gyre
12 min 49 sec

3/08/2008 03:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watch your back Masonic. It's a rising tide you can't fight and they are determined to put the mark of the jellyfish on you.

3/08/2008 04:39:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Those were great comments, slomo. Thanks. Two notable mutables for you in return:

The Life of the Cosmos (from a different kind of Darwinist):

It is an early spring Sunday in Brooklyn. Brisk blue light falls through the windows at the far end of a painter's studio on the third floor of a nondescript street in Fort Greene. At the near end of the studio, sitting barefoot and cross-legged on a kitchen chair, in a black short-sleeve shirt and black jeans, is Lee Smolin, 42, former rock-and-roller, retired revolutionary and professor of physics at the Center for Gravitational Physics and Geometry at Pennsylvania State University. As he munches his breakfast of graham crackers and espresso, Smolin muses about the future of physics and his own winding, improbable evolution from high-school dropout to inventor of universes. ''I'm very aware of the irony in all this,'' he says shyly.

A native New Yorker, Smolin spends most weekends in the city, and it is here, in these unruly streets, that he has nurtured, and even found metaphorical inspiration for, a radical new Darwinian theory of the origin and evolution of the universe. That theory and the reasoning behind it are the subjects of his new book, The Life of the Cosmos (Oxford University Press), a graceful, philosophical attempt to imagine the future of physics and cosmology that The Washington Post recently called an ''awesome conceptual tour-de-force.'' If Smolin is right, science is on the verge of a new kind of synthesis that will explain not just the birth of the universe but also, for the first time, why life and beauty are inescapable parts of that universe. (


“ What we are looking for is what is looking. ” ~~St Francis of Assisi (From Does it Matter? an awesome meditation on these things we're discussing.)

3/08/2008 05:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes I'm happy to answer this question. All of science relies on symmetry -- while Taoist alchemy relies on asymmetry. Science uses left-brain symmetry with right-hand asymmetry while Taoist alchemy uses right brain symmetry with left-hand asymmetry.

Now that means "the left-hand path" or tantra -- female-male ecstatic energy exchanges. In terms of the refractive index holography system I presented there was one part I left out.

Qigong master Yan Xin states that people should visualize the third eye cerebellum light coming out the forehead and going down to the hands, reflecting off the palms, going back into the stomach. When I posted this before as the "Yan Xin Secret" people pondered how much they should bend their neck so that their forehead goes down to face their hands instead of keeping the spine straight, etc.

See it's a left-brain paradox because in fact the light -- as a Holograph -- has no ending and no beginning. Because the inhibitor (cerebellum) and activator (forehead cortex) neurons actually reverse into their complementary opposites -- so that pain inhibition as the cerebellum Big Accumulator becomes good taste (bliss) as forward cortex attack but originates from the reflected light off the palms -- connecting to what was the Kundabuffer (the blocked kundalini in the small of the back -- turning retreat (fear) into inhibited pain or as it orginated, increased taste.

That's the left-brain paradox -- it's complicated and it's not the left-hand path which I left out! haha.

The kundabuffer -- the small of the back -- has it's refractive index as the eyes -- the two eyes, and the third eye transmitted through the forehead (just as Yan Xin first paradoxically describes).

What this means is that the eyes TAKE IN THE ATTACK GOOD TASTE as electrochemical light -- what the Bushmen called "collecting the N/um of young maidens" -- why females? Not necessarily but it's electrochemical yin energy which females have in much greater supply.

So again the Big Accumulator refractive index goes from the cerebellum pineal gland as a diagonal line to the palms of the hands -- through the neck.

That's left-brain, right hand meditation -- you keep your eyes closed, neck slightly bent, as you reverse breath, the Big Accumulator -- the small of the skull -- sucks in the cosmic yang electromagnetic energy and shoots it down to your palms which then reflect it back into the lower tan tien. The yang Big Accumulator energy then ionizes your yin electrochemicals converting the inhibited pain of full-lotus into increased taste-bliss so that retreat of the Kundabuffer now becomes attack, as I detailed above.

OK so NOW the reverse happens for typical trance dance left-hand tantra of the Bushmen and early Taoists.

You take in electrochemical bliss through your eyes, this in turn activates its refractive index -- the Kundabuffer, small of the back, which then connects with the lower tan tien -- front yin energy. Since you're practicing reverse breathing and sitting in full-lotus -- instead of loosing the electrochemical energy through the yin channels -- it's ionized as right-brain, left-hand INCREASED TASTE (the reverse of inhibited pain from the Big Accumulator).

The Increased Taste, originating from the females looked at through the eyes, going down to the Kundabuffer (small of the back), moving across the sex organs, and then through pressure of full-lotus and reverse breathing -- becomes ionized into yang electromagnetic energy -- which then is shot back up and out of the Big Accumulator -- the pineal gland cerebellum -- back through the front of the eyes and forehead, since it's attracted back to its yin source.

That's not meditation -- because the eyes are open (although it is a trance) and you're practicing the left-hand path -- taking in female energy (electrochemical) while shooting out male energy (electromagnetic). You'll know this is happening because, while sitting in full-lotus or just focusing the pineal gland, using reverse breathing, the right side of the neck -- the right-brain vagus nerve -- will pump out the electromagnetic energy to shoot it back into the female source. As the energy pumps out this pulls up the female yin electrochemical energy that was originally taken in by the eyes, the increased pressure of the full-lotus in time sucking in more yin electrochemical energy through the eyes, while the electromagnetic energy is shot out of the pineal gland, thereby completing the cycle and causing a

Mutual Psychic Orgasm -- what I call an "O at a D" -- I usually have about 10 a day of these with females around me while I sit in full-lotus. Although since it's the left-hand path it's a bit tricky to perform. I have some "repeat customers" who expect to get the goods so to speak. haha. It all depends on context. I just sit in full-lotus and it just happens naturally through the attraction of complementary opposites.

That's why this new "how to be a holograph" right-hand, left-brain path is so great -- because it gives the secret of how to use the Big Accumulator -- the small or base of the skull -- to take in yang cosmic energy -- instead of relying on the eyes for electrochemical energy -- again what the Bushmen called "collecting the N/um of young maidens." You rely on the back of or base of the skull -- the YANG or Governing Channel. It's just a matter of knowing how to sit in the proper refractive index so that the light reflects correctly, as I've now detailed. In other words the light does not reflect through the forehead as Yan Xin paradoxically states -- but through the neck, as pulled in by the pineal gland and small of the skull - the base of the skull.

Another way to understand this reverse path is that a holgram is really the same as the object -- or the left-brain right-hand path is fixated on objects as reality whereas the left-hand, right-brain path is fixated on the memory of objects through the cerebellum-pineal gland-hippocampus part of the brain -- the image as reality.

Neither object nor image are real -- only female formless awareness or pure consciousness is real because what enables free energy to be transformed and created through only the mind-body (with no technology) is complementary opposite harmonics. Science relies on logarithmic or divide and average ratios which attempt to "contain" consciousness through an ever increasing tension of space as mass or weight and acceleration of time as closing distance. Female formless awareness is beyond geometry -- beyond spacetime. It's the logical inference of the I-thought, resonating as it's complementary opposite -- the consciousness between thoughts which creates light.

3/08/2008 05:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff-appreciate your posts but I must say you are getting me increasingly wierded out with references to Lovelace in the same context as Clark's work on Childhood's End.

The (CE)ending would not be so depressing if it were not for the regimented 'end times' thinking still ingrained in the adult masses to commit suicide on a global scale simply because they could not handle the reality that their offspring had become more than they were or would ever be.
In my (humble) opinion Clarke's CE was a classic in optimistic thinking.

Perhaps I did not quite understand your analogy or reference to the shit that is currently hitting said fan.


3/08/2008 08:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

there's no place like jellyfish home...

3/08/2008 10:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many syncros/mystic of Jeff's culthu synopsis. Labyrinth of the Psychonaught, go there! It is the bomb.Syncromysticism is comming of age. It is time to enjoy the fruits of our intellect. There is also a hive of thought at syncromystic Just what is a corporation? Is our entire country (USA) have a secret grid to enhance rituals? What is the layourt of Indy, or the capitol in Washington. Are we all walking like an an egyptian? Have some fun in the sun,spring is almost here. Hail Isis. Respectfully, Dennis from Oregon.

3/08/2008 11:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another beautiful post...

When we are faced with an incomprehensible inconceivable world, I think it pays to study the wisdom of children, because this is what they face every day. In particular, regarding jellyfish, I think the best answers aren't going to come from erudite speculation, but from a more popular and familiar source: Sponge Bob Squarepants.

In Bikini bottom, the jellyfish play a completely unique roll. They are one of the only sea animals the cartoon doesn't anthropomorphize into human form, or even give the status of housepets to. Perhaps it because (as the Geico Gecko pointed out in a recent commercial) they have no faces. Regardless, its worth paying attention to the unique roll they play: They are insectoid and simplistic, (being caught by the nets of the protagonists for fun) but at the same time they are invariably the arbitrators of cosmic justice they deal out punishment for immoral acts with a blindness that can only be attributed to the faceless. (In todays episode, they stung both the heros and villain for their deeds)

But beyond this, it is worth mentioning another trait that they possess. Whenever they are assumed to be small and weak by the viewer, the larger "mothership" jellyfish manifests, dealing out devastating shocks. This jellyfish takes two forms: 1) the sovereign queen 2) an amalgamation of lots of lots of little jellyfish into a unified giant. Either way, its the image from the front of Thomas Hobbe's Leviathan: The giant monach. The fact that the monarch's body is composed of its subjects is only evident on close examination.

I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that maybe we are going the wrong way in looking at all this complexity and trying to figure it out as individuals. Maybe, if we let all this complexity go and embrace the kind of child-like simplicity that lies behind shows like Spongebob, we will find there a faceless something in ourselves that, whild simple and humblings, connects us to each other in ways that make us something much, much, larger than any individual can ever pray to become.

3/09/2008 01:14:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

I'm disappointed that the National Enquirer and the Globe break a major 'Wellsian' sexual/parapolitical story before Jeff mentioned it: Larry Sinclair/Obama. See covers of magazines here.

Meanwhile, RI naval gazes and discusses metaphysical and philosophical ramifications of science fiction and UFO mentions of jellyfish shapes, attempting to find an 'answer'.

It seems to me that this post so far is closer to what Jeff dislikes or complained about himself several posts ago: lack of content in the mass media always take (or invent) the easy stories while ignoring others that are more explosive or germane to the real world.

Take the Obama-Sinclair issue--that still might be mentioned in Jeff's post.

The theme can hardly be spun as anti-homosexuality, because it's a general theme that could happen with heterosexual politicians: it is the story of a network of compromised politicians who have their strings pulled in the future via blackmail.

We've seen it before in

1. (assuredly) Clinton, particularly with Monica (who may have been an Israeli plant)
2. Bush senior pedophilia tours in the White House in 1989, afterwards owned by the Moonies who covered it in their paper the Washington Times
3. Bush Jr. and "Jeff Gannon" the male prostitute that stays over in the White House (according to their own sign in and sign out sheets) while posing as a softball easy-question lobbing journalist; afterwards Bush owned by (at least) the FBI and CIA assuredly
4. Hillary's lesbian affairs claims, etc.

5. and now some rather strong evidence that the quick rise of Obama has less to do with his political acumen.

6. Let's remember the other 'quick rise' this time in the Republican Party back in the 1980s by a banker from Nebraska named Larry King--who even sang the National Anthem for George H. W. Bush's Republican Convention.

Later, found out Larry King was involved in snuff films, child porn, blackmail networks, drug mulings, and Bohemian Grove videotaping it all. Find the film Conspiracy of Silence.

It's the continuing theme of ultimate compromisability. Of being owned by those who are unseen, and of offering a platter of distractions day in and day out about it.

So while jellyfish are led by Obama or any other candidate (I would perhaps exclude Paul or McKinney--though since regular updates on their campaigns are non-existant, it's like they have been sent to Siberia by the mass media), perhaps the later half of Jeff's post will mention brainless jellyfish being led, perhaps do have a brain leading them: this network of a continued ultimate sexual compromisability of the leadership of puppet democracies.

Is this rigorous intuition which hopefully argues for real links between themes, or are we descending with Jeff to the oceanic depths to only find unconnected tenuous intuitions?

[kid you not: word verification was appropriately "sxzqkss." ha ha]

3/09/2008 03:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous @3/09/2008 01:14:00 AM: Your SpongeBob post reminded me of a passage from one of my favorite novels, Invisible Cities by Italo Calvino:

Of all the changes of language a traveler in distant lands must face, none equals that which awaits him in the city of Hypatia, because the change regards not words, but things. I entered Hypatia one morning, a magnolia garden was reflected in blue lagoons, I walked among the hedges, sure I would discover young and beautiful ladies bathing; but at the bottom of the water, crabs were biting the eyes of suicides, stones tied around their necks, their hair green with seaweed.

I felt cheated and I decided to demand justice of the sultan. I climbed the porphyry steps of the palace with the highest domes, I crossed six tiled courtyards with fountains. The central hall was barred by iron gratings: convicts with black chains on their feet were hauling up basalt blocks from a quarry that opened underground.

I could only question the philosophers. I entered the great library, I became lost among shelves collapsing under the vellum bindings, I followed the alphabetical order of vanished alphabets, up and down halls, stairs, bridges. In the most remote papyrus cabinet, in a cloud of smoke, the dazed eyes of an adolescent appeared to me, as he lay on a mat, his lips glued to an opium pipe. “Where is the sage?” The smoker pointed out of the window. It was a garden with children’s games: ninepins, a swing, a top. The philosopher was seated on the lawn. He said: “Signs form a language, but not the one you think you know.”

I realized I had to free myself from the images which in the past had announced to me the things I sought: only then would I succeed in understanding the language of Hypatia.

Now I have only to hear the neighing of horses and the cracking of whips and I am seized with amorous trepidation: in Hypatia you have to go to the stables and riding rings to see the beautiful women who mount the saddle, thighs naked, greaves on their calves, and as soon as a young foreigner approaches, they fling him on the piles of hay or sawdust and press their firm nipples against him.

And when my spirit wants no stimulus or nourishment save music, I know it is to be sought in the cemeteries: the musicians hide in the tombs: from grave to grave flute trills, harp cords answer one another.

True, also in Hypatia the day will come when my only desire will be to leave. I know I must not go down to the harbor then, but climb the citadel’s highest pinnacle and wait for a ship to go by up there. But will it ever go by? There is no language without deceit.

3/09/2008 10:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Obama Jellyfish Moonies Hilary Clonton lesbian Larry King snuf films
cjild porn and [kid you not: word verification was appropriately "sxzqkss." ha ha]

Loony Tunes

3/09/2008 05:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's like making sausage. Just throw everything you've got in the hopper and mix it all together with the proper spice. That's good eatin.

Can't wait to attend the meet-up in New York.

3/09/2008 06:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was crystal clear 2 hours prior and now the sky is literally painted with Chemtrails. I suppose they could have drifted in with the wind, but this is unreal. I've never seen them materialize so quickly. There is something to this, more than just meets the eye. I believe they are here, walk amongst us and are replacing us with their own, similar to the pod people in Invasion of The Body Snatchers. The Chemtrails may be part of that program. For us it may be noxious, but for them it may be crucial.

3/09/2008 07:33:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Bombay said...

Morgellons syndrome may already be turning some of us into Jellyfish..
with our nanotech tentacles reaching
out to ensnare fresh victims..

3/09/2008 09:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks to Mark above for "plastic plankon" link.

3/09/2008 10:55:00 PM  
Blogger Palooka's Revenge said...

blindly align with divine order eh? just where do you think this chit comes from?

3/10/2008 06:50:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Hey folks, palookas revenge has an excellent essay on the falsification the M/M experiment by Ernest W. Silvertooth at his blogspot.

Of course palooka one would be a fool to 'blindly align with the divine order'. But our intellect is blind, as it always seems to want to judge rather than to engage. My bag is to find the substance behind the (intellect created) form so yes I choose to 'align' with the cause rather than quibbling about effects.

3/10/2008 07:49:00 AM  
Blogger middleworld said...

IC and Mark are doing all the heavy lifting on this blog now. Thanks guys. Jeff has become as dissapointing as the democrats. Writing these comments reminds me of my old hopeful letters to Sen Schumer and Clinton. Monday nothing, Tuesday nothing. The intuition here is no longer rigorous, that's sure. Sci-fi entertainment, yes. Kudos for that. Dumb ol' me thought this was a community for political, moral (dare I use the word) awareness. I will get fooled again that's sure. According to Jeff, thinking that controlled demolition brought down the trade towers makes you look ridiculous, but believing we are being farmed by interstellar, multidimensional jellyfish is rigorous intuition? I guess it would take another blog sized disquisition to figure out what has happened here. Perhaps conspiracy theory drives people mad. Dave McGowan is hanging in there, has kept his sense of humor as well. Somehow. Maybe a sense of humor tastes bad to the jellyfish. Is that rigorous? Or just something else?

Good luck everyone. I'll look for you if I'm ever back this way.

3/10/2008 09:57:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Well, I hope to serve as a Jimminy Cricket conscience on Jeff's shoulders somewhat I guess, that he has it in him to be much better (as a real hard-hitting content provider who can say it beautifully instead of providing only weaving pretty words/worlds of increasingly empty, disconnected, and distracting infotainment), though thanks for the compliment.

So I'll yell 'fire' in this Wellsian theater of the absurd.

"Controlled Demolition"

"Micronuke evidence found for 9-11"

That should be enough.

Let's see some of that fire.

Though these stories are over 2-3 years old, they are the major embers that still glow (radioactively) from that day, from a couple of MRR nukes ("minimal residual radiation" nukes--in U.S. Army micronuke demolitions parlance, from declassified documents as early as 1967.)

The nuclear fire on 9-11 is certainly true given over 50x background irradiation of tritium in the WTC area due to the controlled demolitions.

So while we saw calls about the first responder heros in Bushworld media, real world Bush was spending more time sweating about documented health problems in the responders. So he hypocritically calling the first responders on 9-11 "heros" in the same moment he sentenced them to a lingering nuclear fallout death by removing all funding for their long term health tests or care or analysis--that would show up radiation damage securely and cause the mother of all perfect storms pulling 9-11 so far into public view that it would literally cause a revolution in the USA when the people realize that the federal government and the Pentagon nuked New York City. Just an update of Operation Northwoods with a nuke attached.

newswire article reporting united states 28.Jun.2006 07:49
9.11 investigation | health
More Than Thermate: Evidence for Micronuke Basement WTC Demolitions, Radiation at Pentagon
author: summary
summary of the additional radiological evidence for WTC controlled demolitions and Pentagon hit

Dr. Ward has updated his micronuke 9-11 pages as well this month. See the links in that link for it.

3/10/2008 11:24:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

reminds me of the "Spikey UFO Brazil"
that you can watch here:

and the orange UFO I saw last summer.
They're out there alright.
The Jellies, they could be evolving into a giant brain, all the electrical impulses and a godzilla movie!
seriously though, I remember a thundercats episode with a giant floating jellyfish that did the bidding of Mum-Ra who was trying to summon Tashi, a "time-warp imprisoned" beautiful sorceress. Her power was called "Doom Gaze"
ok, ok...enough of my stupid ramblings...

3/10/2008 02:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You gotta love the irony of anonymous posters telling people to grow a spine. Especially when their ideological viewpoint is the exact same as the corrupt politicians and potentates whom they would defend. And for all that sound and fury what alternatives does the anonymous demigod offer? Not a damn thing!

If pointing out there is a fire under the pot that's slowly boiling makes you a frog, then you can call me Kermit...

3/10/2008 02:28:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

I'm inclined to accept that life exists on worlds other than our own, and that UFO's may very well be extra-terristrial in origin.

I have to say that if you're going to tell us videos were taken, it would be good to link to those videos. Otherwise, I have to wonder if you or the people in question are really just blowing smoke.

3/10/2008 03:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


3/10/2008 03:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Middleworld - you haven't updated your stupid blog since Mid-2007. Don't come in here waving your impotent fists because things aren't MOVING fast enough for you. Got a back yard? Go clean it.

3/10/2008 04:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have you ever conjectured that the reason Bush extended DST was to aid in the abduction of children? The sun was rising earlier, so the young children didn't have to be at the bus stop in the dark. That's a sick have children at the bus stop in the dark with all the creepy predators lurking around and Bush decided to extend the time they have to wait in the dark versus wait in the light of day. Kinda puts No Child Left Behind in perspective, doesn't it?

3/10/2008 07:56:00 PM  
Blogger ghostieo said...

hey jeff i know you're a writer and a damn good one at that, but how about doing a weekly podcast radio show? That'd be great.

3/11/2008 01:26:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

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3/11/2008 09:03:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Totally, Thunder?
like "totally?"?

3/11/2008 09:09:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

I feel the image of the jellyfish portrayed in The Lathe of Heaven is pretty significant. The jellyfish clearly connotes something insignificant, dependent, and incapable of making decisions for itself. While arguing over the necessity of effective dreams, Doctor Haber exclaims to Orr, “You’re a moral jellyfish.” (143) Haber views Orr as a means to an end, and subject of study rather than a human being capable of rational or moral thinking. On the contrary, the sea-turtle aliens appear to exude a completely different, and perhaps compensating persona. They stoically perform duties, and based on what I remember, they never complain or criticize the moral or ethical validity of humans’ actions. The aliens would be perfect subjects for Haber to study, as they are respectful and subservient. However, the aliens gain in influence by the end of the book. I think this is because they, unlike mankind, are not swept away into the confusion following the Great Divide. Mankind resembles the jellyfish described in the opening paragraphs, as it is engulfed by convoluted memories and remains vulnerable to outside influence. The aliens provide stability in a time of volatility, and thus end up with a sizable amount of power and influence.

3/11/2008 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

whoa, i just read this book the day before yesterday.

3/11/2008 09:49:00 AM  
Blogger muddy elephant said...

Great post Jeff.

I had a dream about fireworks the other night--we we all watching fireworks in the sky except they were more like jelly fish, no explosions, just silent and brilliant soft bodied objects expanding and dissolving for our entertainment.

Havent had time to read all the comments yet but wanted to say this first:

With all that we surmise about reality, for all of or well-honed intellectual/spiritual observations and questionings perhaps granted to us by the union of material and immaterial.

We are still afraid of simply being eaten?

Perhaps our fears shape our reality as much as they protect us from reality. A negative feedback loop. A nightmare.

3/11/2008 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah speaking of NASA aliens -- Richard Hoagland's new book on the secret history of NASA has a fascinating section about Freemasons controlling NASA. Most of the book is his usual secret "geometric alien bases on the moon hidden by NASA" stuff which I just ignore -- haha. The Freemason bit though is an extension of Professor David F. Noble's "Religion of Technology" book.

Which brings us back to the God of our new religion: Albert Einstein. Just finished the new biography on that dude -- by Walter Isaacson (2007).

The glaring error that Einstein made was equating light with mass or as Isaacson quotes God:

"Light carries mass with it."

Well technically light has momentum not mass although people still make this common error -- yet MOMENTUM is the "sublime kernal of ideology" behind Einstein (and Descartes, etc.).

The best page in that book is on the Einstein-Bose Condensate whereby photons self-organize. As Einstein realized statistics enables entropy to be violated in rare cases and quantum physicist Danah Zohar has "zeroed" in on the Einstein-Bose Condensate is the secret key to the religion of technology.

The problem with promoting the Einstein-Bose Condensate is it still relies on equating energy as convertible into mass as a closed geometric system -- so that the self-organizing energy is still relying on divide and average or logarithmic math, which again started with Archytas.

The fact that Einstein used the Doppler Effect to model relativity (phase-shift of frequency without speed change aka time as wavelength distance) again reveals "God's" reliance on the great Archytas lie -- the rotten root as the foundation of science.

As I've detailed in my "Against Archytas" article -- frequency still re-LIES on time as divide and average distance -- so Einstein never got to the core of the issue.

My blogbook states that statistics is based on James Bernoulli's Golden Theorem, aka the law of large numbers, from his book Ars Conjectandi (1713), which is taken to task in the book "The Challenge of Chance" by Hadry, Harvie and Koestler. "George Spence Brown claimed, somewhat controversially, that the apparent successes of ESP experiments are really the failures of probability theory applied to reality: 'They [the results of psychical research] comprise, in fact, the most prominent empirical reason for beginning to doubt the universal applicability of classical frequency probability." (p. 140, The Challenge of Chance).

So the Golden Theorem, as I stated in my blogbook, is the reverse of the Lw of Pythagoras, relying on inverse induction to create randomness. Einstein disagreed wtih Kant's concept of pure geometric reasoson and instead Einstein argued that math is inherently based on physical testing methods which ARE physical reality. The concept of inverse induction in randomness also relies inherently on physical measurements as well -- the divide and average of time as distance.

In physicist Paul Dirac's article, "The Evolution of the Physicist's Picture of Nature," (Scientific American, 1963) he states:

"If we suppose that those discrete Faraday lines of force are something basic in physics and lie at the bottom of our picture of the electromagnetic field, we shall have an explanation of why charges always occur in multiples of e. This happens because if we have any particle with some lines of force ending on it, the number of these lines must be a whole number."

So again this basic one-to-one correspondence between physical geometry and number is assumed in quantum mechanics, showing that the math is inherently tied to geometry (which still considers time to be a matter of distance). That this noncommutative math must be converted to a classical form because quantum logic defies physical reality as per the Uncertainty Principle was the juggernaut which Einstein could never accept -- even though he first introduced the statistics to justify the existence of the atom. Einstein could accept time as being supposedly "pure frequency" even though he still relied on a closed atomic "mass" definition of time -- causing Godel to argue that time is an illusion, simple a property of space.

What was the real atom but in fact the introduction of momentum-based frequency with Democritus and Archytas? haha. Jokes on you Einstein -- thanks for enabling the whole planet to get vaporized.

3/11/2008 02:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More gnome coverage please--tam-o-shantern's wont' hurt none either.

3/11/2008 04:41:00 PM  
Blogger andymac said...

i notice the less you post the less interesting the posts are. more posts! less rumination!

3/11/2008 07:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nasty facist shit.GGG to surmise your fears is an intelligence that negates your bliss. What you and Jeff fear is something you cannot effect. It is of the most important effort to kill our fears. Why should you be kept in bondage? Free yourself and smoke some holy Ganga fire. Respectfully, Dennis from Oregon.

3/11/2008 07:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raul, thats just Alf remember? He was the alien on the hit tv show...'Alf'. When the show was abruptly cancelled our poor fury friend hit the bottle hard and snorted his wealth away, quite a party animal. A type-cast fur ball rejected by the hollywood star clique. Last reports had him seen staggering around Micheal Jackson's 'Neverland' with Tito, after a brief stint in scientology. Tough times.

3/11/2008 09:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eso es señor Buche keep bueno trabajo here stay en su rancho. No tengo gusto de pescados de jell-o also señor.

3/11/2008 11:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good stuff!!

Can I safely assume this is a build-up to Air Kraken Day on March 17th?

I await Part 2 with considerable interest.

3/11/2008 11:11:00 PM  
Blogger AmericanGoy said...

I think you are having waaaaaay waaaaay waaaaaay too much fun on your blog dude.

Email me dork :-)


3/12/2008 12:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah Oooo! That's a scary stuff. The jellyfishes taking over a 100,000 salmon catch and eating them. That gives me the shivers. Brr. Ah Oooo! hehehe But seriously they could attack a populated beach say Fort Lauderdale during Spring Break and end up killing hundreds of swimmers. And after eating their brains and intestines they would be shot and killed by scientists and law enforcement to whereas there would be millions and millions of jellyfishes in the water. They then would eat everything that is alive in the water and could even contribute the the death of the oceans. Ah Oooo! That's scary stuff! So next time you go to the beach keep your eyes peeled for a gigantic gathering of killer jellyfishes in the water just waiting to eat your arms and your legs. Ah Oooo! Ah Oooo! Brr. Ah Oooo! Ah Oooo! heehehe Count Floyd saying goodbye to you. That's a scary.

3/12/2008 07:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wasn't there a story about Jesus in his youth that they left out of the Bible? The one where he killed a jellyfish when he was young, or a school of jellyfish learning the Torah? Perhaps the Jews aren't really lizards, but instead jellyfish and this is pay back time.

3/12/2008 09:21:00 AM  
Blogger John Kirby said...

Dear Jeff,

Boy, am I reading the book for you: THE SECRET HISTORY OF THE WORLD as Laid Down by the Secret Societies by Mark Booth... a beautiful book, full of esoteric lore and hope. If you email me at arcmovie@gmail that you want it I will get it for you...


3/12/2008 09:26:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Thanks again GGG for the enlightening snack to chew on.
But I could swear that light is both a wave and a particle.
And some interesting photonics work recently shows this fact...uhmmmmmm where was that again?

3/12/2008 10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perhaps the Jews weren't attacked in 1967 and 1973 by the Egyptian military. When Nasser asked the peacekeeping UN troops to evacuate the buffer zone between them. Perhaps the Israeli army did not kick the living shit out of the Egyptian army after their shelling and killing of Jewish civilians. I mean kicked to hell whereas they are still pissing in their dockers as a result in Egypt. It seems to some people it is still okay to mess with Israel but they do not touch the corruption of their enemies.

Also is not it a fact that Nasser's Dam is the reason why the Nile River is just about dead? Not only did the Israelis beat the living hell out of them the Egyptians found a way to do it to themselves too. Let that be a lesson to you racists and shitheaded bigots out there in LaLa Land. No favors for women from you people just a lot of sympathy from them. And a lot of dead fish floating in the Nile.

May the God of Israel be praised.

Of course feeble minded jokers and crybabies just want to have fun that's all. Where's the harm?

3/12/2008 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yog-Sothoth spotted off the coast of New Zealand!

3/12/2008 01:17:00 PM  
Blogger I am whom I am said...

Annon 3/07/2008 03:45:00 PM:

"It's a little upsetting that there appears on the front to be no substance to the Obama hate on sites like this one and Cannonfire. Just some type of fear of what the ignorance masses are up to."

Hate site? No, just respect and a healthy wariness of unknowns are to be found here.

Maybe you shouldn't waste your time here exploring your masochism, if you really believe what you wrote.

Maybe this will help you to put things into perspective:

3/12/2008 02:14:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Just a few points about the 1967 war from the one-sided view above. Let's quote some sources to show you the American leaders views on this 'splendid little war', and then we can quote Israeli leadership on it as well. That section will be in boldface. I don't think it fits the image of "Egypt attacking" Israeli at all. Israel had decided on a multi-front, pre-emptive attack on several of its neighbors--with U.S. help.

However, WWIII didn't quite work out then.

In 1967, the U.S. (with Johnson at the helm) and Israel attempted to start WWIII by having Israeli Air Force destroy the American ship the USS Liberty in the Mediterranean. Johnson wanted the American ship to be destroyed and sunk with little evidence remaining, as a pretext to have the U.S. invade the Middle East on the Israeli side.

However, the ship failed to sink. To be fair to the air force personnel on the Israeli side, they radioed back incredulous, saying this ship is American, I'm not going to fire on it. It's an ally.

They didn't want to attack the American vessel, though they were then threatened by the Israeli leadership with court martial if they didn't just follow orders and shoot at their ally's ship.

It was all prearranged. Johnson is quoted by aged U.S. military screaming down the phone to recall the general's sending protection to the ship without Johnson's authorization. Instead, Johnson told them, screaming down the phone: "Recall the wing. I want that god damned ship [his own navy's USS Liberty] going to the bottom!" Everyone knew that Israelis were attacking the U.S. vessel in the U.S. command.

See the interview segments from the movie Terrorstorm by Alex Jones where he talks to the still living members of the U.S. military on their recollections of high U.S. treason, using Israeli leadership as henchmen/helpers, to get a war going in the Middle East.

Meanwhile, we can quote Israeli leadership in charge of the 1967 war as well:

"In the 1967 war no one denies that Israel attacked Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Jordan (because absolutely no one would believe that a successful surprise attack was started by the side subject to the surprise attack). However, pro-Israel supporters still claim that the Arabs started this war. This is a lie and they know it. When saying this they claim that the Arabs started the war because the Arabs forced Israel to attack them. That is, they claim that Israel's attack was justified. Well, that is debatable. It is just as easy to believe that Israel escalated the tension until they had an excuse (that they thought they could sell to world opinion) to attack, and then did so. I think that this is the more likely explanation.

Israel still wanted to expand.

In particular, it wanted the West Bank and Gaza.

June 5, 1967.

Israel attacks Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian, and Iraqi airfields destroying the combat effectiveness of the major Arab air forces.

Simultaneously, Israeli armor attacks Egypt, reaching the Suez Canal and occupying most of the Sinai peninsula in less than four days.

Israeli armor also attacks Jordan and captures all of Arab Jerusalem and the Jordanian West Bank.

June 8 1967.

Israel attacks Syria. In two days of fierce fighting, Syrian forces lose the Golan Heights.

[June 8 1967 is the same day that the U.S. wanted to join in the Israeli invasion, the same day that Israel made it a two front attack on its neighbors. If the US could find a way to blame Egypt, the media ducks would be in a row. However, this failed to work out. As part of the plot, the USS Liberty was intentionally placed close by Johnson, and then it was fired upon by Israeli orders--against the will of the actual Israeli pilots, mind you. The Israelis and U.S. President Johnson wanted the ship to be completely sunk, for yet another "(Mis)remember the Maine!" media circus to start an American war was assuredly planned like all American wars on false pretenses over the long '20th century,' 1898 to the present. Johnson, ready for anything, had already oversaw the conspiracy coverup of the Kennedy assassination, someone whom he hated and from whose death he benefited from. Johnson even smiled and winked at someone on the Presidential plane just after he was sworn in after the Kennedy assassination. With that flashback over establishing some of the nefariousness of Johnson, we move forward four years once more...]

June 10 1967.

The war ends.

Consider the following quotes from various Israeli military figures:

"I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent to The Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it." Yitzhak Rabin, Israel's Chief of Staff in 1967, in Le Monde, 2/28/68

[As PM, Rabin was later assassinated by his own leadership in 1995 when he turned around and started working for Middle East peace instead of Israeli warmongering. Watch some Barry Chamish on that Rabin Assassination. We continue.]

The former Commander of the Air Force, General Ezer Weitzman stated that there was "no threat of destruction" but that the attack on Egypt, Jordan and Syria was nevertheless justified so that Israel could "exist according the scale, spirit, and quality she now embodies."

Menahem Begin had the following remarks to make: "In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him." New York Times, August 21, 1982 and Noam Chomsky, "The Fateful Triangle."

Moshe Dayan (the Defense Minister in 1967) who gave the order to conquer the Golan Heights, said many of the firefights with the Syrians were deliberately provoked by Israel, and that the kibbutz residents who pressed the Government to take the Golan Heights did so less for security than for the farmland... Dayan stated "They didn't even try to hide their greed for the land... We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was... The Syrians, on the fourth day of the war, were not a threat to us." The New York Times, May 11, 1997

Apart from the direct evidence (from the mouths of those involved) consider that if the Arabs had really desired to attack, then they certainly would not tell their enemy that they were about to do so... they would just attack, no warning, no buildup, just war, like in 1973.

And #19 and #20 of this list about Israel takes in the larger picture:

"19- Personally, I think Jewish people indeed deserve some sort of state. Though THE CURRENT PIRATE STATE OF ISRAEL is is NOT that state, folks. It is a maw that will eat them and destroy them. That is why, when surveyed, most Jewish people living happily overseas note that Israel is one of the last places...that they would want to visit.

20- Israel was founded as an occult state: the whole capital area is an occult shrine for New World Order issues. This was mentioned quite openly in the 1960s as these buildings were being built! PICTURES: ISRAELI whole capital is occult Masonic shrine, like Wash DC, & why this is so
author: Jerry Golden ISRAEL WAS NOT FOUNDED AS A JEWISH STATE, IT'S FOUNDED AS OCCULT STATE... Title: UPDATE: ISRAELI whole capital is occult Masonic shrine; 1960s plan for World Supreme Court Author: repost Date: 2004.09.20 12:02 Description: Here is what these groups planned to do with this building based on their 1960s statements, this building with a huge Masonic pyramid in the 'holy of holies' as a substitute for God in a Jewish temple arrangement, where 33 levels from darkeness to light take you to where only retired judges have a non-public worship area near the pyramid base level....

In short, Israel is only a OCCULT STAGING GROUND for global destruction; it is historically a jurisdictional form of protection, a form of temporary staging ground for incubating global organized crime, religious fundamentalism conflict in the Middle East, strike-and-attack forces of terrorism, and encouraging a piratical, racist, military first strike plan for global domination allied to its U.S. allied groups....Their court system was set up to be a global empire court system, according to its builders.

The safest diaspora should be the FLIGHT AWAY FROM ISRAEL INSTEAD OF TO IT. Some elites are intentionally building a powderkeg to be used for global domination staging. Israel is that warfare staging ground for WWIII. It is a Middle East 'beachhead' for the NWO ."

3/12/2008 02:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here at the MN-based Center for Reichian Crypto-Anthropology we adhere to Nandor Fodor’s motto: Numen Est Omen (Name is Fate) as our M.O. In which case the sensory integration system of complex social behavior has been proven to rely on “sound-pictures” from superliminal quantum photons. This was first proven with dolphins and has been recently applied to the mystery of bird migration — aka the UFO Aviary.

How does the Aviary “absorb all” while “offering nothing”? In science this would be equivalent to the “negative” matter considered the secret of rotating WORM HOLES, enabling time travel.

In crypto-anthropology though it’s known that just as birds can see magnetic fields, so too can humans time-travel through the nonwestern acoustic oscillation of the pineal gland, the true unidentified flying object of western science.

It would appear that UFO jibberish has nothing to do with Jacque Vallee’s model of a communication learning system between apparitions and scientists. In fact, just as repetition of bird sound does not mean stuttering (contrary to current neuroscience Zebra Finch research), the forced frequency psi-plasma pulse generators of UFOs do communicate directly with something beyond time.

Kurt Godel was the ultimate Aviary member — he looked just like a bird and he practiced self-equiry to the degree of such paranoia that he starved himself to death, just like a Jain saint. Godel stated that Einstein proved time does not exist but Godel also stated that time travel is possible because the person would not DESIRE to change the future - and this is the secret to activating the Reichian vagus-nerve Aviary UFO (pineal gland) worm hole.

3/12/2008 04:14:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

GGG, far be it from me to pass judgement on the rightness or wrongness of what you just wrote, though it's like you're mumbling to yourself once more, channel surfing on changing topics faster than we could say 'free associate.'

Here's the kind of RigInt connection worthy of sharing. Historical and topical all at once--about networks of actors.

Same family elites working all these things. Back in the USS Liberty coverup, "Admiral John McCain Jr., Senator McCain’s father" was the organizer of it!

And WWIII may have indeed occurred if the claim about the USA ready to drop nuclear bombs on (USSR linked) Egypt was true...

This testimony is from a USS Liberty survivor:

"Early in the morning we began to see Israeli aircraft coming very close to our ship, some so close we could see the pilots waving at us. As we waved back we could clearly see the Star of David on the aircraft. This went on for many hours. Our flag was flying (as always) GTR-5 was painted on both sides of her bow and “USS LIBERTY” was clearly painted on her stern. There could be no mistake as to who we were.

Israel knew we were American and we knew we had been identified as American and friendly as the Israelis themselves have since admitted.

They plotted us on their war table and made positive ID of our ship as the LIBERTY.

The crew all knew the war was still ongoing and we all took comfort in the fact that our Israeli ‘friends’ had come to visit us. It made all of us feel safer, just in case one of the Arab combatants got spunky and came after us as we all knew Israel would be there to protect their American friends and allies.

We had been on station for approximately 7 to 8 hours.

Suddenly, at 2:00 all hell broke loose. We were being attacked by jet aircraft. On their first pass they took out our 4 fifty-caliber machine guns, all of our antennae and our moon dish. Everything we had to communicate with was destroyed. They continued their air assault for about 30 minutes using rockets, canons and napalm which they dropped on the bridge to try and burn us alive. Fifteen minutes into their vicious attack Terry Halbadier got an antenna to work and we began broadcasting “under attack, under attack by unknown jet aircraft.”

The jets were unmarked, hiding the identity of our attackers.

The USS SARATOGA, commanded by Captain Tully, sent aircraft to our aid only to have them recalled by voice from Secretary of Defense Robert MacNamara. Again, Captain Tully ordered rescue aircraft to come to our aid. Then, President Lyndon Johnson got on the phone and ordered the recall himself, saying “I don’t give a God damn if every man on board that ship dies, I will not embarrass our ally, Israel.”

Now, if we didn’t know who was attacking us until much later into the attack how did the poll cat Johnson know it was the Israelis that were attacking us?

The reason is simple–we were set up by our own government as pawns to let Israel have her way with us.

Why else would our government recall the life-saving aircraft when we were still under attack?

When the jets got through with us they sent the torpedo boats, three of them.

Then and only then did we become aware of who was attacking us.

We could see their flags on their boats with the Star of David on them. We were horrified that our so-called ‘ally’ was doing this to us.

The word went out we were under attack by Israeli torpedo boats.

This was picked up as far away as Vietnam and many other listening posts around the world. Still no help from our government. We were on our own.

The torpedo boats fired five torpedoes at us, one hitting its mark midships, instantly slaughtering 25 American sons.

The torpedo boats kept up the attack, I guess, until they ran out of ammunition, shooting at our boilers, firefighters, stretcher bearers, anything that moved.

The captain ordered us to prepare to abandon ship.

We put over 3 life rafts, all that remained that would float. We were going to put our most severely wounded men in them. The Israelis would have none of that and shot two of them out of the water and took one aboard their boat as a trophy.

The torpedo boats left and then came Israeli helicopters with armed troops, ready to board our ship and finish us off. They hovered over us like vultures ready for the kill and suddenly they left. We found out later that they left because they knew we had gotten messages out that it was Israel doing the murdering not any Arab state.

When all was said and done in this almost two hour attack, 34 men were murdered, 174 were wounded. There were over 821 canon and rocket holes in our ship. Thousands of 50 caliber armor piercing bullets riddled her skin and there was a 40 x 40 foot torpedo hole in her side. The LIBERTY was the most heavily damaged ship in modern history including WWII.

We did not receive any help from our government for 18 hours after the attack when help was only 15 - 20 minutes away.

Why was our government willing to sacrifice 294 American sailors, marines and the finest intelligence ship in the world?

That’s what we all were wondering.

A few days later, Admiral Isaac Kidd came aboard our ship and ordered every crewman never to speak a word about what happened to us to other crewmen, parents, family, no one under penalty of prison or worse and we all knew what worse meant.

We took the ship to Malta. The dead were removed from the torpedo space and the ship was repaired and painted to look brand new, as if nothing had ever happened.

I stayed silent for many years.

I was so afraid to say anything as was the rest of the crew. In about 1983-1984 I read a book called “Assault on the Liberty” by James Ennes Jr., an intelligence officer onboard when we were attacked.

I began asking questions of the navy, congress, anyone I could write to find out answers to a simple question - why our government went along with the cover-up as it is still doing today. The standard answer you get from congress is there have already been many investigations which is a bold face lie and I have told them that. All you have to do is check the congressional record and you will see there has never been any investigation except for the sham Board of Inquiry which was a white wash and only took 6 days to complete. Isaac Kidd signed off on it as did Captain Ward Boston, Admiral John McCain Jr. and President Lyndon Johnson all in a matter of 10 days. The conclusion? Mistaken identity!!

Captain Boston has recanted what was in the Board of Inquiry as a pack of lies. He was ordered to sign off by none other than Admiral John McCain Jr., Senator McCain’s father.

The fact is we were set up to sink fast, blame it on Egypt and bring the U.S. into the war. This was the deal made by our government and the Israeli Government.

This government will not help us get the truth out.

They are knee-deep in bed with the Israeli Lobby, AIPAC and every other Israeli interest out there.

Our elected officials sold us out then and they are still selling us out now.

Israel is committing war crimes on Americans and our government could care less.

This country is not “We the Government” it is “We the People” and if we don’t take our government back soon it is nobody’s fault but our own.

What I found out later is our government was 120 seconds away from dropping nuclear bombs on Cairo, Egypt and they would have if the LIBERTY would have sunk. The LIBERTY staying afloat was an act of God. He kept us afloat to tell you the truth. If our government would have nuked Cairo you can bet the Soviet Union would have retaliated in kind on the American people. This was a pact with the devil with only the greater interest of Israel in mind.

My fellow Americans, look what is going on in the Middle East today.

It all goes back to the Six Day War 40 years ago [the failed attempt at WWIII].

We need you to email your representatives in Congress and demand an investigation into the attack on the LIBERTY. Remember, they work for us, we don’t work for them. As futile as it may seem, we must at least TRY to take our country back from Israel before it is too late, if indeed it is not already. [Personally, I don't think its very clear how "Israel" controls the USA, it's closer to the whole U.S-Israeli alliance that controls each countries and pushes them toward pre-emptive war in the Middle East over and over.]

Miracles have hinged on smaller odds than this. Look at what happened to us 40 years ago–we should have been dead, sunk to the bottom of the sea and yet we stayed afloat, as I said, by the hand of God. It was a miracle.

Remember, Israel didn’t just attack the LIBERTY, she attacked America with our government’s help, and remember, as the old saying goes, ‘A leopard does not change its spots’.

What this gang of criminals has done once it will do again, and this time, chances are that we will not be as lucky as we were 40 years ago.

Despite all the propaganda we hear, Israel is not our friend. No friend treats us as she has.

She would just as soon slit our throats [or how Mossad agents were celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center on 9-11, and film it from pre-planted positions as it was demolished] as look at us, and this is not a theory, it is a fact proven by history.

Phillip F. Tourney, Survivor June 8, 1967


9-11 is the most recent attempt to get the WWIII show on the road with the same U.S.-Israeli self-inflicted wound as starting it:

The Five Dancing Israelis
Arrested On 9-11

As the world watched in disbelief and asked the question...

Click for full size image

...Mossad operatives were seen dancing with joy.

A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11.

The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1)

Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2)

"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3)

[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4)...

Later Chertoff let these Mossad in U.S. custody out of the U.S. without investigation. Chertoff promoted, now overseeing more things than ever before as head of "Homeland (In)Security" and overseeing the disaster created out of non-response in Hurricane Katrina as well.

Recently, Israel leadership even more open about being an open enemy to U.S. alliances, by publicly honoring its terrorists from 1954 in the "Lavon Affair," summarized here:

Title: Israel Honors Lavon Affair Terrorists Who Attacked U.S. in '54, attempted to blame "Arabs"
Author: astounding, as not seen on TV
Date: 2005.04.03 09:20
Description: This is my summary: In 1954's "Lavon Affair", Israeli Mossad agents, working in Egypt, planted bombs in several civilian buildings targeting particular European/Americans including a United States diplomatic facility. They left 'evidence' to implicate Arabs. It didn't work. Israel was exposed in its 'false flag operation.' The goal was to destabalize U.S, Britsh, and Middle East relations, and to put the U.S. on Israel's side exclusively. It perhaps would have worked though one bomb detonated prematurely. This accident in the Mossad plan let Egyptian law enforcement capture and identify one of the Israeli terrorists, and Egypt rounded up a large spy ring. It's a fact that Israel has a prior history of setting off terrorist bombs in other countries and killing civilians if it suits Israeli foreign policy ideas--with the intent to blame Arabs for them. Recent public awards ceremony in Jerusalem, THE PRESIDENT OF ISRAEL SAID: "Although it is still a sensitive situation, we decided now to express our respect for these heroes." He then presented the three surviving members of the terrorist cell with certificates of appreciation. President Katzav handed letters of thanks to Marcelle Ninio, Robert Dassa and Meir Zafran, three survivors of the group in their seventies, last Wednesday. Letters were also given to families of other deceased militants, some who were sentenced to death in Egypt for the terrorist attack. Egypt expressed astonishment at Israel's honouring of 11 Egyptian Jews who planted these bombs. Cairo on Sunday described them as terrorists... "This is a decision that calls for astonishment," said Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmad Abu al-Ghait. "These individuals can be labelled as terrorists as far as international standards go," he added.

3/12/2008 04:33:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...


Mark said "Here's the kind of RigInt connection worthy of sharing. Historical and topical all at once--about networks of actors." after telling GGG that he was
"mumbling' to himself "once more"
And while under normal circumstances I wouldn't usually get into what the Great galactic One was saying, I think HIS post was COMPLETELY ON TOPIC, talking about the aviary/ufo's really quite fascinating and completely relevant to the jellyfish/organic/alien post that JEFF wrote. NOT some overblown shit about ww2 or whatever the shit you wrote about.
go start your own stupid blog and stop jumping on the bandwagon of "let's hate GGG cuz hiz yoga sheeit hurts mah sensabilities"
the Deep ones and the MADNESS of THE CROWDS INDEED!!!!!

3/13/2008 01:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...this is the secret to activating the Reichian vagus-nerve Aviary UFO (pineal gland) worm hole."

Well, sure, let's all thank GGG for clearing that up for us. When I wrote my book, Crash Gordon and the Mysteries of Kingsburg, I was under the mistaken impression that trephination was the secret to activating the Reichian vagus-nerve Aviary UFO worm hole (thereby allowing one to see and interact with the alien jellyfish, or Orgone Monsters, as I know them). To wit:

“Dude, don’t you see how it’s all connected?” D.H. says, grabbing Gordon’s wrist. “Some guy is out walking around and suddenly he bumps into an Orgone Monster. The electromagnetic waves are so intense that he hallucinates he’s being abducted by aliens. But the Orgone Monster gets kind of freaked out by the experience, too--and it goes a little nuts. That explains all the crop circles and cattle mutilations.”

“Also,” adds Skip, “sometimes a guy will accidentally breathe in a baby Orgone Monster—-and that’s what causes spontaneous human combustion.”

“How high were you guys when you watched this PBS show?” Gordon asks them.

“Very high.”


“I not soopwized,” says Hideous, flicking his nose ring at them.

“God dang it, Hideous, that doesn’t matter!” D.H. says. “You have to bore a hole in your skull so you can see the Orgone Monsters and tell us what they’re up to!”

3/13/2008 01:24:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Hey now, you can make all the fun out of Orgone monsters you want but leave trepanation alone.!
OK, well, i see your point, but
that's assuming that drilling a hole in your head isn't a good idea.
I mean the Brain blood volume has to increase and that makes one smarter, right??
Salvia helps too, I guess, right GGG? no seriously, that shit's great, especially if you don't mind not being able to tell if you're awake.

3/13/2008 01:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes. What my research discovered is that yang is 2:3 from harmonics while yin is 3:4 -- the perfect 4th. I reference this in my new blogbook

So when we listen to western tuned music it cuts off the natural resonance of yin and yang as the 1-4-5 intervals (not based on logarithmic or divide and average math).

Holograms also use the same western math.

The consciousness is neither an image nor a thought but it is the source of sound as harmonic resonance. The Western logic tries to contain images through thought using axiomatic or symmetric left-brain logic tied to right-hand technology.

So in sacred geometry there is no irrational fraction but only rational numbers which resonate infinitely as complementary opposite harmonics. In the West the image has been contained through irrational geometry, thereby cutting off the natural resonance of 1-4-5 as yin-yang-consciousness.

3/13/2008 02:53:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

are not holograms more fractal than symetric? Well.... that's a whole other peice of cake.
just curious GGG, what the harmonic connection to the mindless jellies is? I'm sure you have one. I have seen videos of matter reacting to vibrations in geometric patterns...sweet stuff.
I would insist though, based on my experience that
The Sound and the Image that can be thought of as a corresponding image to that sound is subjective.
But i guess that's a given, but depending on the medium that the sound is passed through...
And...the notion that western thought forms are less valid than eastern ones...hmmm I'm not completely convinced. I mean, western history, if that is any indication (which I'm not convinced of)
Just like Feng Shui, I have my reservations.
You make some wild assertations though You already are convinced it seems, and that to me is interesting. I am convinced of so few things and the world seems so maleable and yet static alternatingly at times that this notion changes for me, sometimes daily.

3/13/2008 03:26:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

whoah, those were some dangling modifiers and run-on sentences eh? sorry.

3/13/2008 03:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is the deal,GGG. If you are into yin yang you must be into balance. Embrace your evil side, engage your material ego to balance your bliss. You cannot use math to prove your point because math is left brain and you are right brain , right? This los vegas nerve of yours needs medical attention it has grown like those monsterous jellyfish. Your promotion of oblivion based philosophy is quite contary to the western occult tradition. I have no time for nirvana in Los Vegas. 87,shine forth brave souls. Respectfully, Dennis from Oregon.

3/13/2008 05:14:00 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Hey thanks Dennis from Oregon, as they would say; 'You've got it going on.'

3/13/2008 05:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hillary's plan requiring citizens to pay into the slime-pit that is American Healthcare is as dangerous as ANY dubya Administration policy proposal. That slippery slope is practically vertical, and is coated with the most insane corporately-synthesized superlubricant possible. We've already been drug-down, dragged-thru, and dried-out for security's sake, which continues; now they'll rig the game for all our healths' sake as well, at fucking Wall Street's fucking behest?! NO FUCKING THANK YOU!!! Even McCain isn't proposing that atomic turd!

...Aren't you Canadian, Jeff? Ya know, Tommy Douglas?

Jeff has come on strong as a Hillary backer lately, which is confusing as hell 'cept for one thing; it fits nicely with a previously uncommitted theory of mine that Jeff was a lying-ass tool.

Not that I personally believe there is a fundamental difference between Obama and Clinton; with Clinton there is no doubt how her bread is buttered: past, present and future.

3/13/2008 07:20:00 PM  
Blogger MarySees said...

Hi Jeff! I finally joined, and I started a blog, too! My writing is not amazing like yours, but I needed to have a voice, too!

I'm here:

3/13/2008 10:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,when the great galactic ghost comes swinging around the far side of our universe,it will hopefully have enough sucktion to pull Mericans heads out of their asses.I'm afraid that will not be an option though,inter-dimensional barriers are colapsing.Those whose minds cannot expand to accommodate the new paradigm are going fucken nuts in this country."The Madness of Crowds"something is sucken the soul out of this shiny blue orb,maybe the giant jellyfish will treat us better.

3/14/2008 06:53:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

duh duh du du duh duh!

3/14/2008 08:19:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

GGG, The medium which the media is passed through can impact the outcome, obviously, but to what end, like in the case of Photonics, erm...lasers...the human being can be thought of (as you say) as one...
Photonic crystals are also being exploited in the technology of optical fibres by Phillip Russell and Jonathan Knight et Al. at the University of Bath to create fibres that are carry light at high powers. Traditional optical fibres have a glass core surrounded by a cladding layer. The cladding has a lower refractive index than the core. The difference in the refractive index between the two materials is slight, but it is enough to cause light within the core to be reflected along the core by total internal reflection. At high powers, the light is concentrated in a very small region of space. Raman scattering can result, causing the light signal to be corrupted and at high powers the fibre can even be damaged.
The first photonic crystal fibres used a hexagonal array of air holes running the entire length of the fibre. The light travelled close to the fibre axis and so the power was still limited. By removing the central tubes to leave a central hole of 15 m m in diameter. The hole acts as a waveguide, the light being trapped by the photonic crystal structure around the hole. The photonic crystal allows only some of the light to propagate along the fibre.
So my trite observation of "wonderful simpplicity" vs. the Truth of fractal complexity is just that.. blah blah blah blah

3/14/2008 08:28:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

and this also explains why the west has been corrupted with Raman noodles.

3/14/2008 08:30:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Anonomous One....
Que pasa?
no me gusta la comida de uhh how do you say "jelleee feeesh?"

3/14/2008 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger Drinking with Tony said...

Se dice,
No me gusta comer medusa.

3/14/2008 01:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok well it's a no brainer to realize that the Jelly Fish is just a psychological projection of the bioluminscent "sperm whale" or activated pineal gland as the primal alimentary tube -- the cosmic worm eating it's own hole as the androgynous trickster, playing the flute of the snake goddess.

3/14/2008 03:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sticking with the original topic, I wonder how this fits into the bigger picture. Immortality? That's a big concept.

3/14/2008 04:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually that's exactly what I'm talking about. Those are of the chondrophore class which relies on chromophore pigments to activate photoreceptors.

The secret is magnesium and potassium (the original "mercury" of Mutus Liber, the western alchemy book) intake to activate the photoreceptors of the pineal gland, thereby creating the same bioluminesence found in the earliest multicellular life -- the worm. This is why the human diet traditional was 80% greens because the high chlorophyll has a high magnesium content, thereby activating the photoreceptors of the pineal gland.

Basically life self-evolves from quantum diffraction gradients (photoreceptors) -- the same thing that makes a C.D. give off rainbow colors. The grooves look equidistant but, again, because they're quantum, they actually violate the symmetry of left-brain axiomatic math. In other words sacred geometry relies on an infinite resonance of complementary opposite harmonics, causing neurons to behave just like protozoa -- consciousness as superliminal quantum phonon resonance.

3/14/2008 07:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Drew, babes, you a muthafuckin' wildman....

3/14/2008 08:38:00 PM  
Blogger Ben D. said...

GGG, the problem with the analysis of Unity is that it is theoretically and logically impossible to do so directly, and therefore a duality needs to be established first. To get to the concept of a time/space reality that can be analyzed and used creatively by man, there are a number of prior mental abstractions that must be undertaken.
Let us begin with abstracting from the Unity (Tau),... atemporality and infinity. These two also remain theoretically and logically impossible to analyze, so let us apply further abstractions to them until we get to a domain that is conducive to mathematical analysis and that allows practical application of our knowledge for creative/destructive purposes.
Taking atemporality first, let us abstract the concept of endless duration i.e.eternity. This still remains 'impervious' to analysis, so let us abstract the concept of a period of finite duration that is a segment (delimitation) of endless duration. This period of finite duration is now capable of further rational division in the form of discrete durational periods/instants to create 'time'.
Atemporality/Timelessness > Eternity/Endless duration > Temporality/Time
Similarly, from infinity comes the abstraction of 'endless space' which still does not allow direct analysis, so from 'endless space' comes the abstracted concept of a circumscribed spherical limited volume of space within it. It now becomes possible to divide this finite volume of space further in to discrete finite 3D spacial components.
Infinity > Never ending space > Finite space

Do you see the goal of Yoga as an attempt to rationally analyze/model the 'maya' of conceptualized space/time reality for the benefit of life in this world or something else?

3/14/2008 10:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your question is a good one but relies on the logical error of a "misplaced pronoun modifier." When a writer states:


usually that refers to you, the writer, and me, the reader. Or it could refer to you, the writer, and "us" as an exclusionary group, and then a third person excluded from that group, for example, GGG, named in your writing (in this case, me).

It can be inferred from the context of your question that your use of "us" refers to you and whomever else is reading it, including me and any general undefinable group. This is why it's a good question.

Some languages have specific different uses of "us" or "we" to clarify this pronoun use -- for example ojibwe. Many languages do not rely on the verb:


which commonly focuses on a means of separation our awareness from the object of perception so that "objective" measurements can be made. In other words "to be" based languages logically assume the value of left-brain axiomatic reasoning ("I am that I am" as God, Brahman, the Bull of plow-based farming, etc.) so that right-hand dominant technology can be measured and improved.

That's what you mean by "awareness" instead of say -- consciousness. So the West does not have a concept of consciousness as pure logical inference without relying on time. You defined eternity as the DUALISTIC opposite of time, which would seem appropriate and in fact is the common error in the West, even in Vedic philosophy.

If we do not define conceptual awareness as something based on external analysis of geometric reality -- where time as measured as mathematical distance, then there is no reason to consider eternity as the opposite of awareness based on external perception. "I am that I am" relies on such a definition of time as distance, using divide and average or symmetric-based logic.

More so there's no reason to consider awareness, as defined by left-brain language or even right-brain images (whether external or internal) to be the equivalent of how we experience time. As Gurdjieff emphasizes, the law of three is not practiced in the West -- which in this cause would be defined as 1) time 2) space 3) consciousness. It's assumed that dialectics uses the law of three -- or in math what's called "proof by contradiction" but again this is already assuming that consciousness is a concept as a symbol (either language or an image -- really a DUALISTIC system.

So again relying on logic -- if it is considered where awareness comes from then the source of the I-thought must be pursued. This is assumed to be solipsism in the West but again that's based on the dualistic definition of subject-object using external awareness. Logical inference shows that in deep sleep we are not aware of neither ourselves, nor the whole world, neither space, nor time -- yet our sense of self remains and restarts with the I-thought upon waking.

So how can we logically assume that the source of the I-thought is simply "not others" (those which we perceive upon waking) or how can we assume that the source of time is simply "atemporality"? Both logically are already dependent on dualistic axioms using language, not necessarily perception, whereas logical inference is very straight forward: all thoughts are based on the I-thought so where does it arise? Or to put that in terms of time, as we listen to the source of the I-thought, whom is listening?

Now logical inference is not removed from external reality nor is it dependent on internal reality -- it is a process for both types of analysis. For example in music theory we can infer that the natural resonance of harmonics does not line up with geometry, nor is it defined through algebra (which itself is based on the irrational square root of two, a geometric mean). Since the harmonics are heard and experienced as complementary opposites, modeled logically as C to G is 2:3 or yang and G to C is 3:4 or yin, then it can be deduced that this system continues to resonate as the natural overtones go higher in frequency, and that this is also the time-process experienced when practicing logical inference of the source of left-brain language -- LISTENING to the source of the I-thought.

Since the process IS the goal (both logically inferring the reality of consciousness), the result can not be defined in terms of dualistic syntax which "I am" language relies on -- but rather a more general "zeugma" or triadic structure. Chomsky has recently (in the last 5 years) argued that this triadic (verb-noun-predicate) syntax originates with the cerebral cortex processing of pure number, exactly the same logical number system relied on in analyzing music harmonics.

The reliance of "divide and average" math using even pure number is so ingrained in our awareness because our use of number is so closely tied to a visual-based externalization of language. We line up number with geometry in a one-to-one correspondence through left-brain dominant language but auditory-based perception as logical inference frees number from the dependence on a dualistic syntax and switches the inference to a triadic or law of three (zeugma) system, resonating asymmetrically through complementary opposites.

There is no end nor beginning to this process within time and space yet this process or time and space interaction is mediated by the source of awareness as pure consciousness. We can't visualize this consciousness so we can't define it as awareness of time as distance (externlized time as space) nor external space but we can listen to the source of awareness and logically infer the existence of consciousness as true reality. As the process continues then the consciousness is experienced as guiding both time and space.

One way to model this then is as a vibrating "string" of consciousness which resonates as our subjective desire to experience perception of objects (satisfying our electrochemical urges meditated by our perception of depth, or 3-dimensional electromagnetic urges). Sound logically has no beginning nor end in space, nor time, yet logically there is still some ONE listening to what is perceived. This is why yang is 2:3 as electromagnetic energy (chi) and yin is 3:4 as electrochemical energy (jing) while "one" is not a number -- as taught by Pythagoras. We can't say where one starts or ends yet we can listen to it's source thereby creating both electrochemical and electromagnetic energy which in turn resonate back to their source that we can listen to and logically infer.

So as the process continues as the goal -- the logical inference of the source of the I-thought. Then, eventually, something called "vagal shock" occurs -- the left-brain logical inference goes deeper to its neuron source through the sympathetic vagus nerve system, slowing down the heart and finally stopping it (the harmony of electrochemical, yin and electromagnetic, yang). Yet since this process is practiced through conscious self-awareness then the synchronization of the neurons enables the body-mind to restart "after" the source of the mind's ego has been logically inferred. Consciousness always already is.

So there is an "end" to the process both in space and time yet that end is just a subjective end of that person's particular karma -- the accumulated light-wave memories stored holographically, and not limited to that person's body in this life-time. Memories are stored through the complementary opposites of electrochemical and electromagnetic intensity. So the jnana yogins define "eternal liberation" without any reliance on external works. Consciousness is the only true reality and yet it's not you nor we.

Yet other philosophies, like mahayana buddhism and taoism state that this process of logical inference is part of a larger, abstract dynamic, based on a general analysis of desire and ignorance or subject-object perception or time-space cycles, etc. Nevertheless even though there may be different "levels" of pure consciousness which can be pursued subjectively (philosophy) or objectively (science) the process itself is something that is beyond duality -- it's not defined by either space nor time as distance (the reliance on divide and average number) -- it relies on complementary opposites, modeled, not by science, but a larger system of pure number found in nonwestern music.

3/15/2008 01:05:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Fletch, I was responding to another comment that had already brought up the 1967 war, and not talking to you in any way.

It was a theme that was beginning, and I had something to contribute, so it was you who were out of line, though nice to meet you. Besides, 'themes' in this virtual salon come out of interaction instead of following the leader. Particularly as Jeff takes more and more to just writing 'spin.'

In my opinion talking about:

'the shape of jellyfish as a theme in news stories, science fiction and UFOs, and soon connected to an analogy to Obama'

reads as its own satire. Jeff just takes his own satire seriously.

To take Jeff's post seriously is the real madness of crowds of following someone off a cliff, whether Jeff

(thinking that shapes of jellyfish in the sea and shape claims of UFO sightings is a tangible connection and the connections he reaches for as proof are in science fiction books; Jeff has given up his brain, very jellyfish like, given up evaluating such claims or seeking evidence and has just started to mix and match them together without much comment as an infotainment salad bar)

or GGG

(who no amount of words could summarize his schizophrenic thought process that only has one theme of self-grandeur).

"Schizophrenia, from the Greek roots schizein (σχίζειν, "to split") and phrēn, phren- (φρήν, φρεν-, "mind"), is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a mental illness characterized by impairments in the perception or expression of reality, most commonly manifesting as auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions or disorganized speech and thinking in the context of significant social or occupational dysfunction."

And on GGG, no I don't hate him. Though despite his yogic and transcendent claims, GGG's only topic is himself. If you claim to see a connection between Jeff's mere string of jellyfish sightings in sea and sky (soon to be 'connected' to Obama politics) and intelligent though borderline schizoid GGG speaking later in a comment about how he confidently knows propulsion construction of all UFO's (a connection I can't fathom how you see, and an unlinked claim or unelaborated claim I don't see how you can credit given GGG spends all his time in his own story at Taco Bells and coffeeshops giving prostitutes orgasms at a distance), by all means, you're welcome to it. I still think you're better off keeping your head.

I would concur with IC:

"I'm just reaching for the popcorn, ready enough to feast my brain on yet more of Jeff's dispirited doom...and then I see that he's fixed upon the Iridescent Ones as this week's avatars of Gloom."

Well, I'd only change one word. It's a sort of a spirited gloom, a wish of self-destruction, I think, that Jeff crazily enjoys? He revels in his depression.

Yes, Jeff has turned to science fiction and satire as much easier to write. It can't interfere with his preconceptions, and he can just project himself as the link between his words instead of seek out tangible connections.

He's projecting his politics into fiction which is very different from thinking about someone else's politics and commenting upon it. And as IC says at least, Jeff's even misreading the science fiction he links to.

Though by all means, Fletch, run at that cliff and jump if you want. Go for that mirage in the desert. And we'll inform your next of kin. Though I would advise against it.

And if you claim to be so karmicly inclined, practice what you preach. Why did you endanger your future rebirth by getting angry with a stranger (me) you don't even know? Walk your own talk.

3/15/2008 01:23:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Endanger my own rebirth, as if that was even possible.
All is false.
Except Truth.
And just because i have practiced Kundalini for decades doesn't mean i buy into the philosophy that it espouses....completely.
but rebirth, or birth for that a huge pandora's box you just haphazardly opened...
oh well.
I refuse to be put into the box that you'd like to stuff me into.
And I refuse to so flippantly put GGG in there too. He has his faults, (don't we all) and I have often found myself scratching my head, laughing and shaking my head and saying wtf ggg? after readinfg about his orgasmic powers.
But this thuing we call rigorous intuition for me is a paradigm of thought process where even GGG has a place to wax insane and grand about his yin juices and sometimes he seems like he might really be onto something.
IC, damn what a great writer...
He has so much to contribute, I know that you feel like Jeff is just depressed and not to take what he says seriously and perhaps he is running out of material (I mean, lookit all of his amazing posts on this blog and you can kind of understand) but I don't take his posts as satire. I feel like he is really a reflection of the time space that i live in. He has a gift. And I connect to every word he writes.
I'd jump off a cliff for Jeff anyday.
Life is only an illusion anyway and suffering is the lesson that i have learned all to well.
I don't know you and you don't know me, but hey, nice to meet you, sorry if I offended you. I just get a little worked up when a lot of the regulars on here trash GGG (I've definitely made some remarks of confusion and questioning his intentions here too)But I see him as a very interesting fellow, if perhaps a bit too wrapped up in himself.
But as far as him being schizophrenic....I am not sure thatI'm not at times.
I'm not sure that being schizophrenic isn't more sane than the average American condition presents as.
I see the Obama connection and everything but it's all just a puppet show anyhow. There is no REAL democracy. a big scam, seriously. All the talk of him vs. bores the shit out of me. But McCain scares the shit out of me....

3/15/2008 01:00:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Marky Mark & the Funky Bunch...
we all participate in the feast
or we participate in being an observer. (who's eaten)
There is no passive existance here.
I will not go.
Prefer a feast of friends to the giant famine.

3/15/2008 01:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well it's sad to see the whole CIA mind control labels thrown around here at a conspiracy blog. I've discussed schizophrenia in detail at my old blog on

What IS schizophrenic is mainstream U.S. politics -- and yes that is based on strange things flying in the air, as per my latest blog post at, now presented here:

Yes I’m halfway through “Merchant of Death: Money, guns, planes and the man who makes war possible” by Douglas Farah and Stephen Braun (2007, John Wiley).

This book is amazing and my buddy cafe owner informs me that the man himself, Victor Bout, was arrested recently. Sure enough Thailand — for selling weapons to FARC, March 7th news report.

I’m trying not to laugh and cry at the same time.

Victor Bout — the man’s cargo company supplied UN world food relief while picking up weapons from the same rebels who had created the refugees seeking the relief. He would then fly over to Rwanda and sell those weapons.

Victor Bout — a key supplier to the U.S for the Gulf War. Victor Bout, a key UN peace-keepers distributor.

Bout has probably caused the death of literally millions in Africa in the last decade — supplying the Congo, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Angola — BOTH sides of the conflicts.

Bout was a key Taliban supplier and also for the other Afghan regimes.

So all we have to do is point to Victor Bout to completely laugh at the whole liberal system: The U.N., the democrats, any political ideology in general.

Ha, ha. What’s another 6 million dead but just part of a grander circulation-distribution system called

air travel.

3/15/2008 02:04:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Yeah, that movie w/ Nick Cage was about Bout..."Lord of War" or whatevers..
but as far as the whole aviation system as an excuse to fly guns around? I that what you are saying? maybe i misread that.
CIA mind control...
ever read "Tranceformation of America"? I suppose alot of people are more comfortable with assuming that Kathy is schizophrenic too, right?
To actually accept that what she says is true, well, that proves to be the ultimate quantum leap for some.

3/15/2008 02:16:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

One promise of the Lord was that we would be Hyper-Victorious.
And just what could that mean?
are those who wait on the Lord and take Him at His word schizophrenic?
or is someone who sees UFOs and the aviary connection and saint-like starvation (fasting) interesting use of the adjective fast/ making it a verb "to fast", the expression "eats like a bird" the opening of thwe pineal gland, the statement, "Birds have Nests, and Faxes have holes but I have no where to lay My Head" made by Jesus...
no connections.
just an edless string of unrelated events?
or is it an ongoing vainglorious obsession?
a casually rigorous pursuit of intuition?
If only I could focus my intentions and reconcile the poverty of imagination i see all around me...

3/15/2008 02:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok let's put it this way: airplanes cause over 10% of global warming and if you include the space shuttle it's something like 25% -- plus there is a n exponential increase in air travel. I was chatting with a guy from Nagpur India last week and he told me that Boeing alone get 400 flights a week into that central city of India. That stuff is all new and it's destroying the planet -- FAST.

Now then -- on the difference of schizophrenia and shamanism -- I defer to Stanford Professor Robert Sapolsky, a man I've corresponded with. He also promotes meditation and his books are excellent. This is from his 2003 award for something...! haha.

"One of them has to do with one of the great puzzles when people think about the evolution of psychiatric disorders. Ever deal with anybody with one of the most horrendous of all psychiatric diseases, schizophrenia, and you come away just appalled at how a life can be demolished by some biological storm in the brain. Schizophrenia: a disease of disordered thought, disconnected socialization, hallucinations, paranoia, delusions, a 50% rate of attempted suicide. This is a totally disastrous disease, and it's one that we're very, very slowly beginning to understand the neurochemistry of.

Robert Sapolsky at podium (photo)

One of the keys about schizophrenia is that it's a disorder with a genetic component. That doesn't mean it is genetically guaranteed. It is not genetically determined. There is a genetic risk for this disease, as is the case with most psychiatric disorders.

The minute you see there's any genetics on the scene, you've got to ask an evolutionary question, which is: "Where did these genes evolve from?" Why do we have schizophrenia in every culture on this planet? From an evolutionary perspective, schizophrenia is not a cool thing to have.

What's evolution about? Evolution is the process by which adaptive traits become more common. Schizophrenia is not an adaptive trait. You can show this formally: schizophrenics have a lower rate of leaving copies of their genes in the next generation than unaffected siblings. By the rules, by the economics of evolution, this is a maladaptive trait. Yet, it chugs along at a one to two percent rate in every culture on this planet.

So what's the adaptive advantage of schizophrenia? It has to do with a classic truism--this business that sometimes you have a genetic trait which in the full-blown version is a disaster, but the partial version is good news.

What's the example we all learned in the textbook case? Sickle-cell anemia: full-blown version, fatal hematological disorder; partial version, you don't get malaria. Tay Sachs disease: full-blown version, your nervous system is destroyed within a couple of months of life; partial version, you're resistant to tuberculosis. Cystic fibrosis: full-blown version, you're typically dead by 20; partial version, you're resistant to cholera. This turns out to be a theme with a lot of human genetics. As long as there's enough folks with the advantageous partial version, you can afford the occasional cousin with the full-blown version.

Evidence suggests this is what the genetics of schizophrenia is about. What's the partial version? It's the disease that got identified about 30 years ago. The first study that found genetic evidence for schizophrenics looked at about 20,000 people adopted in Denmark, looking at patterns of inheritability of schizophrenia; were you likely to share schizophrenic traits with your adopted parents, or your biological parents?

This was a massive multi-year study. Psychiatrists talked to more relatives of schizophrenics than any psychiatrists had ever done before in a career. What they noticed was, there's something kind of weird about relatives of schizophrenics--not every single one of them, but at higher than expected rates. This "kinda weirdness" is now called "schizotypal personality."

What is schizotypal? It's a more subtle version of schizophrenia. This is not somebody who's completely socially crippled; they're just solitary, detached: these are the lighthouse keepers, the projectionists in the movie theaters. These are not people who are thought-disordered to the point of being completely nonfunctional; these are people who just believe in kinda strange stuff. They are into their Star Trek conventions. They're into their astrology, they're into their telepathy and their paranormal beliefs, they're into--and you can see now where I'm heading [laughter]--very, very literal, concrete interpretations of religious events.

Schizophrenics have a whole lot of trouble telling the level of abstraction of a story. They're always biased in the direction of interpreting things more concretely than is actually the case. You would take a schizopohrenic and say, "Okay, what do apples, bananas and oranges have in common?" and they would say, "They all are multi-syllabic words." [laughter] You say "Well, that's true. Do they have anything else in common?" and they say, "Yes, they actually all contain letters that form closed loops." [laughter] This is not seeing the trees instead of the forest, this is seeing the bark on the trees, this very concreteness.

What you find with schizotypals is what is called metamagical thinking, a very strong interest in new-age beliefs, science fiction, fantasy, religion, but in a very concrete, literal form, a very fundamentalist style. Somebody walking on water is not a metaphor. Somebody rising from the dead is not a metaphor; this is reported, literal fact.

Now we have to ask our evolutionary question: "Who are the schizotypals throughout 99% of human history?" And in the 1930s, decades before the word "schizotypal" even existed, anthropologists already had the answer.

It's the shamans. It's the medicine men. It's the medicine women. It's the witch doctors. In the 1930s an anthropologist named Paul Radin first described it as "shamans being half mad," shamans being "healed madmen." This fits exactly. It's the shamans who are moving separate from everyone else, living alone, who talk with the dead, who speak in tongues, who go out with the full moon and turn into a hyena overnight, and that sort of stuff. It's the shamans who have all this metamagical thinking. When you look at traditional human society, they all have shamans. What's very clear, though, is they all have a limit on the number of shamans. That is this classic sort of balanced selection of evolution. There is a need for this subtype--but not too many.

The critical thing with schizotypal shamanism is, it is not uncontrolled the way it is in the schizophrenic. This is not somebody babbling in tongues all the time in the middle of the hunt. This is someone babbling during the right ceremony. This is not somebody hearing voices all the time, this is somebody hearing voices only at the right point. It's a milder, more controlled version.

Shamans are not evolutionarily unfit. Shamans are not leaving fewer copies of their genes. These are some of the most powerful, honored members of society. This is where the selection is coming from. What this shamanistic theory says is, it's not schizophrenia that's evolved, it's schizotypal shamanism that's evolved. In order to have a couple of shamans on hand in your group, you're willing to put up with the occasional third cousin who's schizophrenic. That's the argument; and it's a very convincing one.

If you look at all these 1930s and 1940s anthropologists, there's a certain dead-white-male racism that runs through all of this stuff that anthropology still has not recovered from. If you read their writings, what was between the lines--and often not between the lines--was, this is about "them." This is about the folks with the bones in their noses and no clothes who wind up in the National Geographic nudie pictures. These are them and their subjective paranormal beliefs; thank God we live in objective modern societies. [laughter]

What is perfectly obvious here is that this entire picture applies just as readily to our western cultures. Western religions, all the leading religions, have this schizotypalism shot through them from top to bottom. It's that same exact principle: it's great having one of these guys, but we sure wouldn't want to have three of them in our tribe. Overdo it, and our schizotypalism in the Western religious setting is what we call a "cult," and there you are in the realm of a Charles Manson or a David Koresh or a Jim Jones. You can only do post-hoc forensic psychiatry on Koresh and Jones, but Charles Manson is a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic. But get it just right, and people are gonna get the day off from work on your birthday for millennia to come. [laughter]

This is great! I think this is the first time I've ever said that line without somebody getting up and leaving in a huff from the audience. [laughter] It's very nice being here. Thank you! [applause]"

I'm not saying I agree with Sapolsky 100% -- for example, I rely on the Bushmen culture which was the dominant culture for 90% of human history -- and 90% of the males were SHAMANS. So that right there disproves Sapolsky's genetic adaptive argument that "schizotypal" behavior is only worth having if it's "not too many." But then my perspective is an ecological perspective -- not the anthropocentric perspective that Sapolsky is relying on.

3/15/2008 02:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This should cause a lot more jellyfish to be seen -- China's air emissions growth rate is worse than all the other top polluters combined:

From: Reuters
Published March 13, 2008 04:21 AM
China's emissions seen rising faster than thought

* World Growth Spurs Faster Climate Change, Report Says

HONG KONG (Reuters) - China is producing far more carbon dioxide than previous estimates and this will frustrate global aims to stabilize atmospheric greenhouse gases, a group of U.S. economists said.

China is the world's second-largest emitter of CO2 and some studies suggest it might already have overtaken the United States last year. The report could add to calls for China to sign up to binding cuts, something it has refused to do.

Writing in the May issue of the Journal of Environmental Economics and Management, researchers at the University of California, Berkeley, and UC San Diego said China's CO2 emissions will grow at least 11 percent annually between 2004 and 2010.

Previous estimates, including those used by the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, say the region that includes China will see a 2.5 to 5 percent annual increase in CO2 emissions during the same period.

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The release of the article comes as energy and environment ministers from the world's 20 major greenhouse gas emitting nations prepare to meet in Japan from Friday to discuss climate change, clean energy and sustainable development.

The G20, ranging from top polluters the United States and China to Indonesia, Brazil and South Africa, emit about 80 percent of mankind's greenhouse gases.

Pressure is growing on these nations to hammer out a pact to halt and reverse growing emissions of CO2, the main gas blamed for global warming.

In the journal report, the U.S. researchers said that by 2010, there will be an increase of 600 million metric tons of CO2 emissions in China over levels in 2000.

They said that figure from China alone would overshadow the 116 million metric tons of carbon emissions reductions pledged by all the developed countries under the Kyoto Protocol during the pact's 2008-2012 first commitment phase.

China is not obliged under Kyoto to cut greenhouse gas emissions during 2008-12. But it joined nearly 190 nations in Bali in December in agreeing to launch two years of U.N.-led talks to create a global emissions-fighting pact to replace Kyoto from 2013.

The authors used pollution data from 30 provinces and China's official waste gas emissions data to get a more detailed picture of CO2 emissions up to 2004.

"It had been expected that the efficiency of China's power generation would continue to improve as per-capita income increased, slowing down the rate of CO2 emissions growth," said Maximillian Auffhammer, UC Berkeley assistant professor of agricultural and resource economics.

"What we're finding instead is that the emissions growth rate is surpassing our worst expectations, and that means the goal of stabilizing atmospheric CO2 is going to be much, much harder to achieve."

Part of the problem was also a shift to give provinces more say in building power plants after 2000, the report said.

"Wealthier coastal provinces tended to build clean-burning power plants based upon the very best technology available, but many of the poorer interior provinces replicated inefficient 1950s Soviet technology," said Richard Carson, UC San Diego professor of economics.

"The problem is that power plants, once built, are meant to last for 40 to 75 years," said Carson.

"These provincial officials have locked themselves into a long-run emissions trajectory that is much higher than people had anticipated. Our forecast incorporates the fact that much of China is now stuck with power plants that are dirty and inefficient."

(Reporting by Tan Ee Lyn; Editing by David Fogarty and Emma Graham-Harrison)

3/15/2008 03:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's from Discover Mag, 12/07 on the growth of private space flight:

"Although no firm figures for carbon dioxide emissions are available for SpaceShipTwo, a single NASA space shuttle launch produces 28 tons of carbon dioxide. With two space shuttle launches per year, on average, that amounts to roughly 5 tons of carbon dioxide per month (by comparison, your average car generates about half a ton per month). Where the numbers really pile up is in the operation of Kennedy Space Center, which includes pumping 300,000 gallons of water to protect the shuttle from launch vibrations, moving the rockets, and keeping hundreds of tons of liquid oxygen and hydrogen cool. That makes for a monthly carbon footprint over 900 times that given off by the shuttle’s solid rocket boosters in one launch. Furthermore, 23 tons of harmful particulate matter settle around the launch area each liftoff, and nearly 13 tons of hydrochloric acid kill fish and plants within half a mile of the site. In all, the environmental cost per launch is the same as that of New York City over a weekend, Whitehorn says.

Still, the expected impact of spaceflight pales in comparison with the carbon footprint of a commercial airport. Los Angeles International Airport has carbon dioxide emissions of nearly 19,000 tons a month, taking into account the use of electricity and natural gas. Meanwhile, the roughly 33,000 airplanes that fly in and out of the airport each month emit about 800,000 tons of carbon dioxide."

Aim Sky High kids.

3/15/2008 03:33:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Nice little quote from GGG's repost:

"It's the shamans. It's the medicine men. It's the medicine women. It's the witch doctors. In the 1930s an anthropologist named Paul Radin first described it as "shamans being half mad," shamans being "healed madmen." This fits exactly. It's the shamans who are moving separate from everyone else, living alone, who talk with the dead, who speak in tongues, who go out with the full moon and turn into a hyena overnight, and that sort of stuff. It's the shamans who have all this metamagical thinking.

I'm only half joking here. The globalized world still has its schitzo shamans though they are utilized by powerful agnostics to dupe the easily dupable world with their magical antics.

The current world still has its schitzophrenic witch doctors.

Now they just become solitary, conversation-shy, and human relationship-shy metaphysical theoretical economists at the University of Chicago School of Economic Shamanism. An ahistorical view of economics couched on the level of (sorry, GGG) mathematics, functions, and other solitary equilibrium models of the mind that dislike disturbances.

The social life of Adam Smith was quite what was describe above as well. HE never married. He lived with his mother or some relative. He was a social relationship vegetable in many ways.

As an adult gibbering idiot, he would walk down the streets talking himself into a frenzy, debating with himself with his hands. On one occasion he was so distracted he walked (stepped) and fell into a dyeing vat for textiles or leather and just continued his conversation with himself as if nothing happened. And I got this information from very right-wing tape series of the 'classical economists' I had once. I thought, this is the world's intellectual marvel? He's not obviously in charge.

He was the house witch doctor employed by the British East India Company to shake the world with the political implications of his beliefs: leave the monopolies in charge of the British Empire as long as they claim to justify themselves on private jurisdiction (though without the element of competitive markets that Smith wanted).

Witch doctor theoretical economists are unable to separate their abstract theories from reality though from the history of Adam Smith above, their powers of self-delusion and 'concretizing' their self-assurance are quite useful for those who see the value of hiring an ideological hegemonist who believes his own stuff when the boss can be agnostic or laughing about the whole thing, though smart enough to keep quiet when he sees a good thing (to employ). People can rally around the air of confidence in such postmodern economic shamans just as they rally around the wacky antics of the shaman in the Siberian tundra darkness seeking some light on their lives. And if the followers in turn believe, well it's all very cozy and who wants to rock the boat or put out the light in an environment of sunless twilight darkness for months of the year...

The late head witch doctor Milton Friedman recommended all sort of crazy witch doctor treatments.

Even when the feedback was bad and didn't lead to his desired outcomes or made the situation worse, all that meant was more shock doctrine voodoo medicine was required to make the world fit the metaphysicians model.


And GGG, you've argued previously that all computer models of global climate were limited social constructions and thus untrustworthy....except I guess... when you like the numbers that one spits out and then you cite it (confidently) about the exact percentages even that some addition to the (model's) atmosphere and its subsequent (modeled) effects?

3/15/2008 03:41:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

Air travel spiral of despair....


Japanese rail company to build $45 billion MagLev train

Posted Dec 31st 2007 8:13AM by Sam Abuelsamid

Filed under: Emerging Technologies, Transportation Alternatives, Japan

In the United States we've squandered hundreds of billions of dollars in the last five years. Our political "leaders" bicker over fuel economy rules that ultimately still won't get us to where most of the world already is today.

Meanwhile the rest of the world is racing ahead, developing technologies that will provide real transportation alternatives. Japan and Europe have long had trains that go well over 200mph. The Japanese are now preparing to step up to the next level. The Central Japan Railway Co. is preparing to build a 290km magnetically levitated (maglev) train line between Tokyo and central Japan.

The target speed for the train is 310 mph. Central Japan Railway has a maglev test train that ran 361 mph in 2003. The company is now planning to move ahead with the project in spite of not getting any government subsidies.


These 'planes on the ground'--maglev trains--are just a more beneficial raw material regime for you. More examples of beneficial raw material regimes here.

However, in the U.S. and the world in the grip of the "Seven Sisters and their Uncle Halliburton" make a raw material regime of intentionally inefficient oil engines and oil reserves hidden to keep up the price. It sells a lot of gasoline without requirement and at very supply-side biased politically set prices that keep us clientelistic to an infrastructure without the MANY OTHER choices for energy making it to mass production before they are bought out and killed. However, at the link, there are some emerging ones that made it to mass production (like the air cars in India, running on compressed air, or the Brown's Gas generators (stoichiometric hydrogen and oxygen burning with more power than electrolysis assumptions allow)--just waiting for a car (or train! or plane!) application of that technology of hydrogen-on-demand from water without any pollution except water vapor. See the links.

Then of course, we could always take the interstellar triangle technology in the black projects out of top secret mothballs and use to to solve many issues besides fuel UFO sightings.

There are two kinds of people in the world, those that sit in the dark and damn the darkness (or the jellyfish) and those that light a candle. (Of course this is a silly binary, though it's a rhetorical flourish some may remember when they look in the mirror at themselves.)

3/15/2008 04:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah I'm on the side of the Jellyfish -- here's the details I was mentioning previously on eating chlorophyll so that the magnesium activates the photoreceptors of the pineal gland.

Mark -- you argue for regime change! haha. Your perspective is essentially the same as the WorldWatch Institute which Helena Norberg-Hodge has taken apart a long time ago. She works in the real world, not the world of schizophrenic liberals, promoting technocratic tax policies without accounting for the fact the the real economy is conspiratorial: drugs, weapons, slavery, etc.

Computers, as per Professor Robert Nadeau's "Environmental Endgame" (2007) book, give us an accurate approximation of the overall dynamics of destruction but that's it. Relying on the technology to solve our problems is the essence of the whole technocratic, liberal agenda and it's just a continuation of the same rotten root from the "divide and average" mathematics. The internet simply enables us to observe the acceleration of information entropy.

Sure the technology is getting FASTER as you detail -- big deal -- Japan is still relying on an parasitical empire, just like Europe and the U.S.

Ah but maybe this is psychologically too difficult for you -- maybe you've projected your own schizophrenic state onto me.

Negative transference -- it's not just for breakfast anymore.

3/15/2008 04:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

See here's a good Helena Norberg-Hodge quote from Z Magazine:

"I do want to say that I've seen appropriate technology undermine and essentially destroy, not necessarily by conscious forces. But the people who were promoting appropriate technology were not aware enough of the need to have it be part of an entirely different development model. They just tried to do the technology a bit differently. They didn't realize that if children are learning how to build houses out of cement and steel, and if they get an engineer's training they're learning how to use fossil fuels and high tech, it's not possible to have appropriate technology fit in that system."

Yeah turning kids into Freemasons.

3/15/2008 05:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark -- I had a very close encounter with one of those big black triangles, summer of 1997. I can assure you that they aren't going to save us from ourselves! haha. Here's a nice Z-net commentary for you:

September 09, 2002

Force-feeding The Dream

By Dave Edwards

A current Peugeot advert depicts an Indian driver in a dusty, impoverished village smashing his wreck of a car - what appears to be an old Morris Oxford - forwards and backwards into walls. The driver then coaxes an elephant to sit on the bonnet, crushing it, before himself setting about the bodywork with an iron bar.

Cutting to the same man admiring a picture of a brand new, gleaming Peugeot, the advert reveals that he has all along been attempting to sculpt his dilapidated wreck into a crude facsimile of the sleek, high-tech Western model. Finally, he is shown cruising along with friends in his 'Peugeot', receiving what they imagine are the admiring glances of passers by, 'babes' included.

The character portrayed in the advert cuts a pathetic figure - impoverished, deluded, and desperately aspiring to Western technology and wealth. There is something serene and perfect and real - something Western - about the actual Peugeot; and there is something hopelessly deluded, failed and wretched about the man's Third World imitation.

To be sure, Peugeot's advert is a mere drop in the ocean of ceaseless Western propaganda promoting the idea that West is best. A standard theme of advertising involves showing Third World tribesmen, shamans and monks gawking in awe at Western technology, or comically revealing that despite their appearance they share our obsession with high-tech gadgets: "From Stealth bombers to fast cars - for men who are turned on by machines!" as one necrophilic advert puts it. (Advert for The Power Zone, Discovery Channel, Virgin Radio, March 1, 2000)

Writer Alan Durning describes the underlying philosophy:

"Even if they fail to sell a particular product, they sell consumerism itself by ceaselessly reiterating the idea that there is a product to solve each of life's problems, indeed that existence would be satisfying and complete if only we bought the right things." (Alan Durning, How Much is Enough - The Consumer Society and the Future of the Earth, Worldwatch Environmental Series, 1992, p.119)

Linguist and activist Helena Norberg-Hodge reports the impact of this propaganda on the traditional people of Ladakh on the Tibetan plateau, among whom she has lived for a quarter of a century:

"In films, the rich, the beautiful, and the brave lead lives filled with excitement and glamour. By contrast, their [the Ladakhis'] own lives seem primitive, silly and inefficient. The one-dimensional view of modern life becomes a slap in the face. They feel stupid and ashamed. They are asked by their parents to choose a way of life that involves getting their hands dirty for very little or no money. Their culture seems absurd compared with the world of the tourists and film heroes." (Norberg-Hodge, Ancient Futures - Learning From Ladakh, Sierra, 1992, p.97)

Significantly, Norberg-Hodge notes, the dark sides of Western culture - the pollution, unemployment, drugs, environmental degradation, alienation, sham democracy and social breakdown - are kept from traditional peoples. Also unknown to them are the effects of advertising. In an article titled, 'Retail therapy makes you depressed', Ben Summerskill of The Observer writes:

"Despite the highest British income levels ever and a buoyant economy, researchers - who interviewed 1,000 people - found most were profoundly unhappy: 55 per cent said they had felt depressed in the past year." (Summerskill, The Observer, May 6, 2001)

Psychologist Oliver James, explains the role of advertising in the lives of the depressed:

"They were led to believe that anything was possible. In reality, in the vast majority of cases, they still end up working very hard to make somebody else rich. And the advertisements which encouraged them to believe consumption was the root of all happiness have been strongly instrumental in creating discontent with their bodies and personalities." (Summerskill, ibid)

For hundreds of years Western propaganda has worked, sometimes unconsciously but often consciously, to persuade both Western and Third World peoples of the vast superiority of Western corporate-driven high-tech culture over all other 'primitive' cultures, which may be safely consigned to the dustbin of history. Sometimes this conceit is expressed quite candidly. In her article, 'The West really is the best', Polly Toynbee writes:

"In our political and social culture we have a democratic way of life which we know, without any doubt at all, is far better than any other in the history of humanity. Even if we don't like to admit it, we are all missionaries and believers that our own way is the best when it comes to the things that really matter..." (Toynbee, The Observer, March 5, 2000)

Two quotes reveal the reality behind the claim. The first from Woodrow Wilson, writing at the beginning of the last century:

"Since trade ignores national boundaries and the manufacturer insists on having the world as a market, the flag of his nation must follow him, and the doors of the nations which are closed against him must be battered down... Colonies must be obtained or planted, in order that no useful corner of the world may be overlooked or left unused." (Quoted, Noam Chomsky, On Power and Ideology, South End Press, 1987, p.14)

If this culture - far better than any other in the history of humanity - is to batter down doors with a clean conscience, a little creative rationalisation is in order. US writer Kirkpatrick Sale explains the trick:

"It is always convenient to regard foreign populations as inferior, more convenient still to regard them as animalistic, or bestial, especially when you have decided to enslave or eliminate them." (Sale, The Conquest of Paradise, Papermac, 1992, p.135)

In working to undermine and exploit Third World cultures, Western social engineers quickly learned that manipulation, not force, achieves the best and most permanent results. As late as 1963, applied anthropologist, Ward Goodenough, described the strategies pursued by Western powers in 'developing' the Third World:

"The problem that faces development agents, then, is to find ways of stimulating in others a desire for change in such a way that the desire is theirs independent of further prompting from outside. Restated, the problem is one of creating in another a sufficient dissatisfaction with his present condition of self so that he wants to change it. This calls for some kind of experience that leads him to reappraise his self-image and re-evaluate his self-esteem." (Quoted, John Bodley, Victims of Progress, Mayfield Publishing, 1982, pp.111-112)

It is interesting to compare the Peugeot advert with anthropologist John Bodley's description of the tactics recommended by "development agents" in the 1970s. Traditional peoples, they declared, "must be shocked into the realisation that they are living in abnormal, inhuman conditions as psychological preparation for modernisation". (Bodley, p.111)

In the 19th century, it was understood that the best way to encourage an individual to "re-evaluate his self-esteem" was through the generation of needs and wants. In 1840, Haitian Governor Charles Metcalfe indicated what was required of the people of Haiti:

"To make them labour, and give them a taste for luxuries and comforts, they must be gradually taught to desire those objects which could be attained by human labour. There was a regular progress from the possession of necessaries to the desire of luxuries; and what were once luxuries, gradually came... to be necessaries. This was the sort of progress the negroes had to go through." (Quoted, Noam Chomsky, Year 501 - The Conquest Continues, Verso, 1993, p.227).

To be sure, the same lessons continue to be applied today by modern advertisers: teenage spots mean you have a "pizza face" and had better buy acne lotion; failing to possess the latest and smallest mobile phone means you are a gauche idiot; having a brand new Peugeot means you are 'living the dream'. Luxuries can become necessities, with the proper education of desire.

By the beginning of the twentieth century the preferred methods of eroding cultural self-esteem included the brainwashing of children. A standard example is provided by this excerpt from a French reader designed in 1919 for use by French West African school children:

"It is an advantage for a native to work for a white man, because the Whites are better educated, more advanced in civilisation than the natives... You who are intelligent and industrious, my children, always help the Whites in their task. That is a duty." (Quoted, Bodley, p.114)

Ruthless separation of children from parents was a given. In the US, Bodley writes, "boarding schools were considered one of the best means of destroying Indian culture because here even very young children could be almost permanently separated from the influences of their parents". (Bodley, p.115)

In the 21st century a ceaseless tidal wave of Western media, advertising and cinematic productions continues to wash over traditional societies, eroding whatever sense of self-respect and pride may have survived. Cleverly targeting the youngest members of society, these images promote the 'new', 'modern', 'cool' way of life.

The effect is to 'gut' sublimely sophisticated cultures and traditions evolved over millennia, replacing them with a Western "monoculture" centred around the gormless glitz that serves commercial interests at the expense of social and ecological needs.

The problem for many Third World people is that they are sold the dream of cars, mobile phones and laptops, but the dream is all they get. The foundations of their world view and culture are torn from them, leaving only the mirage of Western-style happiness. Many leave rural communities for an urban, consumer dream, only to find themselves isolated and alone in dilapidated shantytowns, working vast stretches in Hobbesian factories for a pittance, lost between two worlds.

Unrestrained and unlimited greed of the type epitomised by global capitalism, is a kind of giant eraser - it erases inconvenient facts, inconvenient values, inconvenient species, inconvenient peoples, and inconvenient cultures. It is done bloodlessly, very often, by the erased executive, sitting in his or her bland suit with a mind full of 'performance targets' and a heart empty of human feeling.

It is this emptiness of heart that is behind the 10 million square mile cloud of toxic pollution over Asia, the biblical floods in Central Europe, and the horrors that are approaching on every side. If we and they do not fill this empty space, it will be the death of them and it will be the death of us.

3/15/2008 05:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark -- here's more Helena Norberg-Hodge. Will the "air car" or water-based hydrogen or "brown's gas", etc., even address the underlying dynamic of WESTERN "progress" and it's basic effect of technocratic destruction of Nature? NO!!

"The push for a global economy is replacing locally-adapted forms of production with systems of industrial production that are ever more divorced from natural cycles. In agriculture this means a centrally managed, chemical- dependent system designed to deliver a narrow range of transportable foods to the world market. In the process, farmers are replaced by energy- and capital-intensive machinery, and diversified food production for local communities is replaced by an export/ import-based monoculture.

If globalization is bringing monoculture, then its most profound impact will be on the Third World, where much of the world's remaining cultural diversity is to be found. In the South the majority still live in villages, partly connected through a diversified, local economy to diverse, local resources: still connected more to the biosphere than to the technosphere. Because of pressures from globalization, those economies are being destroyed, and villagers are rapidly being pulled into the squalor of urban shanty towns. The Chinese government, for example, is planning for the urban population to increase by 440 million people in the next twenty years - an explosion that is several times the rate of overall population growth.

Development not only pushes farmers off the land, it also centralizes job opportunities and political power in cities, intensifying the economic pull of urban centres. Advertising and media images, meanwhile, exert powerful psychological pressure to seek a more "civilized" life, one based on increased consumption. But since jobs are scarce, only a fraction succeed. The majority end up dispossessed, living in slums. Despite the disastrous consequences, it is the effective policy of every government to promote these trends through their support for globalization.

WHAT HAPPENS when rural life collapses and people who once relied on nearby resources become tied to the global economy? Consider traditional architecture, in which structures were built from local resources: stone in France, clay in West Africa, sun-dried bricks in Tibet, bamboo and thatch in the Philippines, felt in Mongolia, and so on. When these building traditions give way to "modern" methods, those plentiful local materials are left unused - while competition skyrockets for the monoculture's narrow range of structural materials, such as concrete, steel, and sawn lumber. The same thing happens when everyone begins eating identical staple foods, wearing clothes made from the same fibres, and relying on the same finite energy sources. Because it makes everyone dependent on the same resources, globalization creates efficiency for corporations, but it creates artificial scarcity for consumers.

In this situation those on the bottom rungs of the economic ladder are at a great disadvantage. The gap between rich and poor widens, and anger, resentment and conflict increase. This is particularly true in the South, where people from many differing ethnic backgrounds are being pulled into cities, where they are cut off from their communities and cultural moorings and face ruthless competition for jobs and the basic necessities of life. Individual and cultural self-esteem are eroded by the pressure to live up to media and advertising stereotypes, whose images are invariably based on an urban, Western consumer model: blonde, blue-eyed and clean. If you are a farmer or are dark-skinned, you are made to feel primitive, backward, inferior. As a consequence, women around the world use dangerous chemicals to lighten their skin and hair, and the sale of blue contact lenses is growing in markets from Bangkok to Nairobi and Mexico City. Asian women even undergo surgery to make their eyes look more Western."

3/15/2008 05:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And just to drive the nail into the coffin -- look at this Feb. 28 Asian Times 2008 article.

Asia is rapidly running out of rice DUE TO INDUSTRIALIZATION and guess what.... Bill Gates is quoted as hoping to save the day with genetic engineering.


3/15/2008 05:51:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

GGG said:

"maybe you've projected your own schizophrenic state onto me."

Ah, that's the ultimate state of paranoia, GGG. That you're threatened in a corner. That it's got to be everyone else's fault are perfect, right? You claim you are perfect in everything you do, right? That your mental, hormonal, and philosophical indifference makes you a god, right? Quite a callous one at that. Very Old Testament sort of vengeful desert-preferring ghoul you are. You are intelligent, though you nauseate me. Your daily life you describe is not worthy of worship or emulation. Only pity in my opinion.

GGG you're one of those sitting in the dark having a good self-despairing time playing with your fiddle watching Rome burn. You have rationalized it to yourself that you prefer this world.

Everyone's a critic, GGG, so you're doing nothing novel, though some act while others like yourself just sit on your cross-legged arse.

GGG said:

"Mark -- you argue for regime change! haha.

GGG, you argue for nothing. And you look for nothing. You're a blowhard and a parasite. I don't mean these as emotional insults, I think of these as sadly honest descriptions of your life.

Actually, no I don't argue for 'regime change' whatever that means. I presume that means a reliance, from the way you use it, on informal party change or just changes in policy.

If so, no, that's projecting, to make up your mind about someone without asking them.

Projection #2 of GGG, who said:

"without accounting for the fact the the real economy is conspiratorial: drugs, weapons, slavery, etc."

Sorry, I'm quite willing to admit that and always have (for just one linked example) so what you wrote is ignorant glittery generalities and strawman arguments. Flat wrong.

I'm aware of all that, though it's not a static functional unchanging world like you claim. The organic expansion of agriculture has for instance expanded faster than anything as of late.

"Let's remember the predictions about 10 years ago about GMOs. What were these predictions?

“Despite projections made five years ago [around 1995] by Monsanto and the White House that most countries would soon adopt biotech farming, basically only four countries are currently cultivating gene-altered crops (US, Canada, and Argentina, with 96% of total acreage; and China with 3%). In addition, only two crops, soybeans and corn, account for a full 82% of all global acreage, while two others, cotton and canola, account for 17%. In the year 2000, the seeds of one company, Monsanto, made up 91% of all GE crops, while, for all practical purposes only two other Gene Giants have products on the market, Syngenta (formerly called Novartis/AstraZeneca) and Aventis (now owned by Bayer).”


“While total sales of agbiotech seeds and rBGH will amount to less than $5 billion this year, global organic food sales will be five times greater or $25 billion. While only four countries are growing GE crops on any scale, farmers in 130 nations are now producing and exporting certified organic foods and crops. At the current annual 24% growth rate of the organic sector in the US, organic farming will make up over 50% of US agriculture by 2020. And of course, if current consumer and regulatory trends continue, Frankencrops will be driven off the market long before organic becomes the norm.” This information is from Ronnie Cummins of Organic Consumers Association, writing in BioDemocracy News #39,"

GGG said;

"Computers, as per Professor Robert Nadeau's "Environmental Endgame" (2007) book, give us an accurate approximation of the overall dynamics of destruction but that's it. Relying on the technology to solve our problems is the essence of the whole technocratic, liberal agenda..."

More schizophrenia, you don't even see your own dissociation. Isn't your lauding of a computer model your "essence of the whole technocratic, liberal agenda..."? And you even put this hypocrisy in the same sentence without even noticing it. Just as you don't like to notice your inconsistencies from post to post either (as when you argued against such climate computer models as having any accuracy a while back).

And here's your favorite strange theme:

"..and it's just a continuation of the same rotten root from the "divide and average" mathematics.

Drew, to coin a phrase, "mathematics doesn't kill people. People do."

I rest my case, you nearly got them all in this post:

"...a severe mental disorder characterized by some, but not necessarily all, of the following features: emotional blunting, intellectual deterioration [not really that one, just an almost manic love of knowledge and detail in biology though], social isolation, disorganized speech and behavior, delusions, and hallucinations.
2. a state characterized by the coexistence of contradictory or incompatible elements."

If you want to argue with someone, learn their argument first. I argue that the sustainable options are clearly already there, as well as the demographics to support it, and that once people snap out of it, changes of mind come first though they are associated with changes of various materials, technologies, and political institutions, education, etc.

I hate to break it to you, because intruding on delusions like yours is dangerous, though the world doesn't really agree with you, GGG, that meditating on your arse about your own godhead superiority in the First World on 'foolish mortals' and their pollutive ways while you eat Taco Bell and hate other people in vicarious internet conversations is a constructive life.

They don't agree with you, nor does the world worship or wish to emulate you on the whole. Sorry, god.

Changes have been historically seen in the past, and they are now seen. Though of course it's up to individuals to start it. Others like yourself will continue to be effectively inert and neutral and "emotionally blunted". That's fine as well. Because the latter is what won't matter in the long run given the scale of what is happening (Hawken's Blessed Unrest statistical look at the scale of the environmental/social justice movement worldwide; and the multiple polls I mention above triangulating on the same thing).

What was that MLK quote about people being neutral in a crisis?

"Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. once said: "He who passively accepts evil, is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it, is really cooperating with it." He went on to say that: "The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in time of conflict."

You're intelligent of course, GGG, though you're level of ignorance makes the walls you have built around yourself full of more caulking than brick. Such selective attribution caulking dabs over or skips over my mentions of huge holes in many things you write (to surreally mix metaphors). You caulk and change subjects with such broad brush glittering generalities when you prefer to write about social issues, while you instead concentrate in excruciating (though I'll admit, interesting) detail about biochemical reactions and harmonics.

In that, your specialty, you are great. Though when you venture out of that, and worse try to fold every other topic as related everything back to these alone, it's not typically very good.

3/15/2008 06:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark, name or link ANY public records of progressive policy changes you've instituted.

Here's my list, all confirmed through public documents available online:

1) A $1.5 million divestment of U of MN stock from Total Oil for using slave labor in Burma. I presented this issue as co-founder of the MN Free Burma Coaltion, formed with Aung Koe, a refugee lawyer, Burmese. The campaign was launched with a grassroots protest as a front-page article on the University paper in 1998 and I then successfully argued the issue through the MN student and faculty University senate along with the social concerns committee. The U of MN treasurer then supported the divestment and told me she would do the same with tobacco stocks. She was subsequently fired and filed a human rights lawsuit stating that the U of MN was run by an old boys club. A new lawsuit against Total has recently been reopened in Europe -- again for their use of slave labor in Burma.

2) Initiated and achieved the U of MN membership in the Workers Rights Consortium, an independent monitoring group of procurement for clothing. This was fought by Nike and took a year of meetings with the lawyer who runs the U of MN and the public relations department. I, again, successfully argued the issue through the University senate, led protests, and most importantly argued the issue against the lawyer running the University. Since then WRC membership has become a precedence for setting social justice standards for all the university purchasing agreements. The professors who joined the committee working on this issue had their tenure threatened. I had my email sabotaged.

3) Protested the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, 1996.

4) At the rubber bullet battle of Seattle, stopping the WTO.

5) Arrested protesting against nuclear waste storage on the Mississippi river at Prairie Island Indian Reservation. This led to a new renewable energy fund to be paid by the local utility.

6) Arrested twice for protesting the Gulf War sanctions

7) Arrested for protesting against Project Elf, the Navy's first-strike nuclear weapons antenna in Wisconsin. The system was shut down in 2004.

8) Arrested for protesting against Alliant Tech, the U.S. producer of depleted uranium weapons and land mines, based in the Twin Cities, Minnesota. After I argued our case before the judge he dropped all our fines and stated that any new arrest would get a jury trial which has repeatedly found all arrests to be invalid.

9) Launched a protest against Cargill's headquarters in Minnetonka MN.

10) Protested against French nuclear testing in the Pacific while working for Greenpeace in 1996.

11) Protested against the IMF and World Bank in D.C. in 1994, the kick-off of the 50 Years is Enough! campaign

12) Led numerous protests in Madison WI against U.S. imperialism, NAFTA, etc. and organized local community supported agriculture and cooperative organic farming in both WI and MN

13) Have worked at Clean Water Action for 8 years, as part of numerous state, local and national environmental campaigns.

14) Arrested protesting Highway 55 aka the Minnehaha Free State, built through a Native meeting area at the confluence of the Mississippi and Minnesota rivers, where an old growth rare Big Woods (maple-basswood) forest remained.

15) Protested and personally debated Al Gore for half hour -- 5 feet from him -- in the basement of a VFW outside Minneapolis in 2000. I told him everyone knows the CIA controls the drug trade and I told him that oil exploration was all over due to the ecological destruction that oil causes. Al Gore admitted that he could not even change his family stock funds, even though he was Vice President! He left on the defensive, after the urging of his 12 secret service guards, and I yelled across the run: "The Blood of the U'Wa is on your conscience." Helicopters flew over the parking lot and a cop pulled me over on my way home, took my drivers license, and then just said "thanks" after returning from his squad car -- no explanation.

16) Due to my activist email list while at the U of MN I was hired as an op-ed columnist for the U of MN Daily, with my columns still readable online. My final column exposed a professor's scholarly article promoting Werner von Braun with no mention of his supervision of mass slave labor as a Nazi SS Major. This column was subsequently censored by the MN Dailiy online archives after the professor emailed me stated that he would personally make sure I was never published in the MN Daily again.

17) I protested against Dick Cheney in Madison around 1993. My sign said: The Biggest Dick of All. I was all alone on a street corner while another activist question Dick at his press dinner and was subsequently thrown out of the press dinner.

Those are just some of the highlights of my achievements.

Your turn.

3/15/2008 09:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh yeah -- I met Ronnie Cummins in Duluth, MN -- where he's from -- back around 1996 -- during some environmental conference. Can't remember what...

Anyway he's buddies with John Stauber who organized a protest against Monsanto in Madison in which I participated. We were a small bunch -- one dressed as a cow, one a mad scientist -- the topic GE growth hormone in milk. The protest was covered on CNN.

See all the shit that you support I've INSTITUTED for you!

You should be kissing my feet Mark.

What have you done?

Let's see: in 1992 I confronted the IMF U.S. representative in Costa Rica about how the U.S. was destroying sustainable farming there.

3/15/2008 09:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK I was also a big part of stopping the planned EXXON mine in Northern Wisconsin, to be next to a pristine Native reservation. Tommy Thompson, as Governor, had even appointed an Exxon Lobbyist as the chairman of the Dept. of Natural Resources!

Maybe you know of this issue? I was at the Earth First! Gathering -- the first Midwest national Earthfirst convergence -- in Northern Wisconsin.

In 1989 I was a full-time field canvasser for Citizens for a Better Environment right when our lawyer won the largest fine against a company for toxic waste pollution -- 3M, among the top 20 corporate toxic waste emitters in the U.S. and based here in MN.

While I was a UW-Madison Greens office work I organized an Amazon Rainforest "buy an acre" club.

I gave the U of MN head facilities manager a copy of an M.I.T. "Greening the Campus" book. I had been close friends with his son in elementary school and the manager knew me from the Free Burma divestment issue. Soon the U of MN instituted almost everything from that book -- including switching all chemicals used on campus to a green chemical system.

I'm still waiting Mark.

3/15/2008 09:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark -- soon after my widely circulated expose on Cargill in the Amazon was published online there was a successful boycott of Cargill's Amazon soybean products with a pledge by Cargill to stop buying soybeans from newly deforested areas of the Amazon. Cargill is STILL expanding in other parts of the Amazon and still must be stopped but this was my most recent success in activist policy.

Nevertheless it was recently reported that the head of Cargill -- the MacMillan and Cargill family are now the richest Minnesotans with personal assets of over $4 billion. In other words, contrary to your organic farming hopes, Cargill keeps expanding. Still my mentor in activism, Dr. John E. Peck, works for

Below is the article I had published and it was reposted on several other websites, including by Brazilian activists.

June 29, 2006
On May 22, Greenpeace, my former employer, took direct action against Cargill, shutting down their illegal soybean facility in the heart of the Amazon rainforest. As Greenpeace reports: “Our activists unfurled a banner on the conveyor belts at Cargill’s facility, but angry Cargill employees nearby blasted the sign down with high-powered hoses. Police arrived on the scene and arrested 16 of our activists. The Arctic Sunrise itself blockaded the Cargill port, preventing exports of soy from leaving the facility. In the nearby city of Santarém, a group of Cargill’s supporters surrounded the police station holding our activists, but were dispersed by military police.”

Greenpeace activists were mobbed and attacked with pepperspray, but the action itself was based on two years of solid research tracking and exposing how the soybeans support KFC and McDonald’s chicken production.

As Greenpeace reports: “Cargill, based in the United States, is the largest soy producer and exporter in the Amazon, operating 13 silos in the heart of the Amazon rainforest.”

“Soy is now a leading cause of rainforest destruction in the Brazilian Amazon. In total, an estimated 12,000 square miles of what was once rainforest has already been destroyed, mostly illegally, to grow soybeans. Cargill makes no secret of helping establish soy farms in the Amazon, some of which are complicit in other illegal activities such as land grabbing and slavery.”

I worked for Greenpeace in the Minneapolis office back in 1996 but Germany Greenpeace shut down all the U.S. Greenpeace canvass offices because in Germany only volunteer-based activism is emphasized.

Considering the huge disinformation about Cargill in its headquarters, the Twin Cities, I think there should definitely be more paid research, supported by grassroots donations, to expose and stop Cargill’s destruction of the Amazon rainforest. The “Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy”:>, works on global trade agreements and they are located just off Nicollet and Franklin in Minneapolis. Supporting their work would be a great first step in helping solve this real catastrophe in global food policy.

In 2000 I had an op-ed published in the Minnesota Daily while working there as a part-time staff writer. The op-ed gave a general expose on the structural crisis that Cargill is part off — how Cargill depends on a huge amount of tax subsidies, only to undermine family farmers, worldwide, creating massive starvation and dependence on the U.S. This is called the “Food for Peace” plan, set up by Hubert H. Humphrey for the Cold War politics. For example, Cargill dumped grain in Somalia at one-ninth the local farmer’s price, thereby greatly destroying the traditional subsistence economy of Somalia.

Well, now Cargill is helping to cause global climate destabilization. The Amazon, through its unfathomable ecological complexity, creates 25 percent of the world’s oxygen and about the same of the world’s freshwater. Soybeans do not take in as much CO2 as the Amazon rainforest. I have a certificate on conservation biology and sustainable development from the School for Field Studies in Costa Rica after a semester of studying rainforest development issues in Fall of 1992. The rainforest crisis is the product of the U.S.-controlled International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the CIA and large private corporations dependent on huge public tax infusions, like Cargill.

Both my exposes of Cargill are still available to read freely online as “Cargill: Our taxes, global destruction” (, 2000) and “Cargill, Soybeans and the Destruction of the Amazon” (Pulse of the Twin Cities , 2004)

To create radical policy change requires focused effort and my previous successes in environmental and social justice policy changes have come with a certain amount of backlash by the powers that be: sabotage of my email account, phone-tapping, threats of censorship and censorship, psychological warfare attacks and assault.

Recently I had the pleasure of meeting a relative of the V.P. of Public Relations of Cargill whose job it is to “keep Cargill under the public radar,” as he described. So any action that citizens can take definitely makes a difference!

I hope readers can join in the peaceful effort to change the current inertia about radical ecological sustainability. It will make our future much more peaceful.

For more on Cargill and other issues go “here”:

3/15/2008 09:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a photo of me protesting Monsanto in 2000 -- the year you give statistics for g.e. crops.

All you can do Mark is give links while I was actually changing the policies on genetic engineering.

Also the info you give from Ronnie Cummins relies on a 5 year projection from 1998 yet the information was published several years ago -- at least 4 years ago. So it's not current.

As anyone can see from the latest at the organic consumers website the issue is WHAT IS ORGANIC -- since the label has already been co-opted by the corporate-state and made meaningless. Anyone knows that these days.

Yet Mark -- you're still promoting organic as if it's going to "save" the planet or something! haha. What a joke.

3/15/2008 10:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous said
"Jeff has come on strong as a Hillary backer lately, which is confusing as hell 'cept for one thing; it fits nicely with a previously uncommitted theory of mine that Jeff was a lying-ass tool."

Here is the explanation as why Jeff is anti-Obama:

"During the past few months a small group of neoconservative Jews, many of whom hold key positions in the world of official Jewish institutions, have been working to undermine the presidential candidacy of Barack Obama with a series of carefully planted character assassinations and deliberately misleading innuendo. I noticed this trend when Debra Feuer, a counsel for the American Jewish Committee, sent a confidential memo to her counterparts at other organizations criticizing Obama's views on the Middle East, Iran and Syria and attacking him for having once appeared at a fundraiser headlined by the late Edward Said. The memo, reported by the Forward, was immediately disowned, but not denied, by AJC executive director David Harris.

Also throwing his hatchet into the ring was Morton Klein, who heads up the Likud-loving Zionist Organization of America, complaining that "Barack Obama doesn't understand the continuing Arab war against Israel" and terming the notion of an Obama presidency "frightening." He was joined by Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice president of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, the umbrella group that professes to speak for all American Jews. Hoenlein told the Israeli daily Ha'aretz that Obama's talk of "change" could prove "an opening for all kinds of mischief" and gave voice to what he termed "a legitimate concern over the zeitgeist around the campaign." The Tennessee Republican Party issued a news release noting what it claimed was "a growing chorus of Americans concerned about the future of the nation of Israel, the only stable democracy in the Middle East, if Sen. Barack Hussein Obama is elected president of the United States."

Let us note first of all that, like every American politician for the past half-century or so with nondelusional presidential aspirations, Obama views the crisis of Israel/Palestine largely through an Israeli lens. He asserts that he would not even be in politics at all were it not for the support he has enjoyed from his local Jewish community. He called Israel one of "our most important allies" and added, "I think that its security is sacrosanct and that the United States has a special relationship with Israel, as I myself do with the Jewish community."

Got to side with the Special People or jehovah will bust his chops. Jeff is skeeerd of jehovah and has to side with zionazis to avoid the threat of jehovah. He is convinced he must bless the blind idiot god's Special People or he will be cursed.
Jeff just can't exorcise that fundie penchant for the "chosen people" myth. Once a fundie, always a fundie, in spite of the decades that have passed, eh Jeff?
Bible college really fucked him up. I guess jehovah really put the fear of (the blind idiot) god in him.

Ya gotta bless da jooz!!!! Bless da jooz!!! Hillary looks like the bigger zionist, so that is who Jeff goes with. Obama's pastor made an anti-Israel remark, so Obama might set up ovens for da jooz, donchaknow.

pathetic CAMERA op.

3/15/2008 10:19:00 PM  
Blogger the proprietor said...

mark said:

If you claim to see a connection between Jeff's mere string of jellyfish sightings in sea and sky (soon to be 'connected' to Obama politics)

Ingenious, IMO. When Jeff is really wrong, I say so. But this, this is brilliant insight. What could better describe the substance of Obama and his campaign better than a lightweight, transparent and amorphous blob of a creature? Obama will go down as one of the greatest fads of the new century. He is essentially a motivational speaker. He is all sizzle and no steak. He is all vague talk about "hope" and "change," and no action (unless one considers the raunchier connotations of that word). He has the looks, stature and charisma to make the ladies' panties wet but if you're looking for actual substantial policy differences you'll come up dry. As some pundit or another has written, Obama has managed to turn himself into a symbol of all our hopes and dreams while offering no substance to bridge the gap from hope to reality. He is the nonthreatening blank screen upon which guilt-ridden white liberals can project their fantasies of absolution and salvation from real or alleged racial sins committed by them, their parents, their grandparents, their great-grandparents ... he really has become a messiah substitute.

By the way, I speak as one who might have a large stake in being on the bandwagon, since he actually is a friend of my family and several relatives volunteered and held fund-raisers for his senatorial campaign. I did not bother to get involved. If I were an ass-kisser and political/social climber I'd've long ago been angling for some sort of campaign job in communications or some such. Believe me, if I set my mind to it I could crank out the hype and fluff with the best of them -- but I can't set my mind to do that. There's nothing to communicate and no substantial difference between him, Hillary or Grandpa McCain. Even were he articulating such, there is no reason to believe he would have the political will or power to institute any real change. If anything, as the rookie of the bunch Obama is even more malleable and controllable than the others, plus he's got bigger skeletons in his closet, it appears, than Eliot Spitzer. Unless he is an unparalleled narcissist he realizes that as quickly as they have puffed him, they can pop him. Expect him to show especially dutiful obedience. Unlike, say, Ron Paul.

-- africkinamerican.
black, independent and proud

3/15/2008 10:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aye the guys a nutter....the worlds going mad. I've just been served my tea by a waitress and when she arrived to collect the plates, I swear her minge smelled of fish.

3/15/2008 10:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark said:
Stop thinking about party competition.

The parties may compete in the same way McDonald's and Burger King compete. Do you want your burger fried or flame-broiled? Do you want a Whopper or a Big Mac? Do you prefer a mascot in a clown suit or a crown? The burgers do taste different. The real difference in terms of nutrition is negligible. Not to mention the probability that both corporations, while presenting different faces and "competing" at a lower level, interlock at the top ... controlled by the same individual and institutional shareholders.

For anybody who doubts this is true in politics, I would challenge them to prove they have a better view of elite insider politics than did Dr. Carroll Quigley (CFR), mentor to Bill Clinton and others of the foreign policy elite. In "Tragedy and Hope" he wrote that the elite have always desired that "the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shift in policy."

== The Author, aka africkinamerican
black, independent and proud

3/15/2008 11:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fletcher wrote:

And just because i have practiced Kundalini for decades doesn't mean i buy into the philosophy that it

Me neither. The traditional myths are interesting but don't make much sense to me. I've never even practiced it really. I just got it one night. After some vigorous prayer. Pretty wild stuff. It can provide incredible bliss, but that has its downside if it's keeping you up all night and you have to be at work in the morning. It tends to stir up mice, dogs and other people in the same house as you, and not necessarily in pleasant ways. Every time I walk past a streetlight and it goes out (I tested one -- walked past, went out; waited for it to re-light, walked past again and it went out ... three or four times) I get a chuckle out of it. But really, what is it good for?

3/15/2008 11:12:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

GGG, I'll accept everything you say is true, just for argument's sake.

This still gets back to your schizophrenia. When you say, and I requote:

Projection #2 of GGG, who said:

"without accounting for the fact the the real economy is conspiratorial: drugs, weapons, slavery, etc."

And I said

"Sorry, I'm quite willing to admit that and always have (for just one linked example [or my book on that premise]) so what you wrote is ignorant glittery generalities and strawman arguments. Flat wrong."

Now I, and I think others, may find it hard to understand your mental logic here: your pride in your avid individual activism combining.... with a faith that nothing will change because of the conspiratorial world, combined with a hostility toward others who are seeking change (me, only one), which would include a hostility to yourself, you mean?

That IS schitzoid, GGG.

Your avid activism is great, and I salute IT though I still think you're crazy and self-destructive.

My lesser 'resume' of actions (several peace marches mostly) comes from how unsatisfying the whole thing was. It didn't 'pump my ego'. I didn't enjoy hating people, because I thought that was misplaced. I am skeptical that such individual activism ever works because it is mostly reactive instead of proactive and because issues of conspiracy and environmental degradation are more systemic and thus require more systemic, institutional additions--a different strategy and one that admits to working with others, than your 'bricoleur' seat-of-your-pants lifestyle of challenging individual leader puppets face to face can ever help out with. We have a disagreement on tactics.

GGG godhead thundered:

"You should worship me!"


"All you can do Mark is give links while I was actually changing the policies on genetic engineering."

Come on, GGG. You alone were not doing all this.

I rest my case. You're a megalomaniac who expects worship and still hates your worshipers.

Sorry, I still find you a very revolting personality, a strange bird. Your activism I think will keep gathering these pearls of individual actions against anonymous apparatchiks of the corporate state, Al Gore inclusive.

I think thus it will be limited by your inability to work with others or realize a plurality of tactics or alliances is more healthy than your messianic belief in yourself and hatred of all others, or your strange idea screaming at Al Gore accomplished anything.

Though thanks for mentioning Victor Bout. And that bit on schizophrenia that you posted originally that started all this (or rather continued all this, as I think back through at several threads.)

3/16/2008 05:38:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

I think you two (GGG & Mark) should get together and go bowling.

3/16/2008 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I've asked you two simple questions on this blog and you've refused to answer. I'm still waiting for some basic accountability on your part.

1) Have you ever taken an ecology class? (if not you, again, should change the name of your blog so it doesn't use the word ecology).

2) Have you ever launched and instituted a progressive policy change that's on the public record? If not then what the hell do you do anyway besides posting links on a conspiracy blog.

Now my claim is that you're schizophrenic -- not just schizoid -- but the true lone-nutter!

Obviously for me to be co-founder of the MN Free Burma


I realize I haven't acted all alone. Or are you daft?

Mark -- again I recommend you read the book "Environmental Endgame" (2007) by SYSTEMS analyst professor Robert Nadeau.

What you and so many others in the environmental "commentary" scene lack is an understanding of quantum chaos math, which is the speciality of Professor Robert Nadeau.

There is great psychological denial about quantum chaos math -- for example, as I've stated, when the Economist review Nadeau's earlier book: The Wealth of Nature (2003) the main subject of the book, quantum chaos, was not even mentioned.

Now consider the latest "surge" of environmental books. There's E.O. Wilson's new book on saving Nature and then there's those West Coast dudes who got featured in WIRED and then there's that recent New Yorker article.

All these new books and articles promote "Debt for Nature" swaps, using Conservational International Guyana's reserve as the leading model.

So the idea is that we can and need to put a price on ecology -- a market value for say carbon emissions, etc. And this value has even spurred a new bioalgae project in the Southwest.

The problem with this market approach is that it assumes a LINEAR value for ecological transactions when in fact ecology relies on quantum chaos (at least in terms of western science). So the New Yorker article a couple issues back argued that in fact many of the global market transactions are NOT more environmentally costly because of differences in climate and land value, etc. But what was not considered is the overall cost of the market in the creation of global warming which in turn is CHANGING the local climates and land values. (so for example the U.K. may get a better environmental value by importing many products from abroad, and the same for Japan, but that doesn't mean both coastal countries won't be destroyed by climate destabilization). That means the New Yorker article did not take into account a SYSTEMS theory nonlinear feedback from quantum chaos -- and the same is true for "Debt of Nature" swaps which rely on a market value of global ecotourism.

For example when I studied in Costa Rica doing conservation biology and sustainable development research (1992) for my research project I went into the villages surrounding the protected ecological reserve adjacent to the School for Field Study and Peace University, outside San Jose, the capitol of Costa Rica.

The villages accepted my Spanish, thinking I was maybe Mexican or something. haha. Anyway they openly told me that yeah "we hunt in the forest" -- for their basic food! Agouti, Capabarya, monkey, sloth, who knows. I had shown up on bicycle so I wasn't very imposing.

So my report was that all this ecological protection shit is a racket for ecotourism. And so it has come to pass -- if you read the latest out of Costa Rica -- in the last 10 years half of the animals in the supposed "protected" parks have been killed by poor farmers, trying to supplement their diet with some good high caloric, high testosterone food. haha.

So much for ecotourism -- besides the global cost in air travel, etc.

That's a nonlinear feedback -- because it'd be much cheaper just to give these guys a bunch of beef or something but in fact Latin America is based on a feudalist model of concentrated wealth which has now been turned into the "free trade" zones -- serving as the ideal model for "saving" Nature.

Ha! What a joke -- your whole "commodity ecology" model is bullshit.

3/16/2008 10:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now in contrast consider

"The dark, emerald green mate leaves in a shade plantation contain twice the nutrients and are normally twice the size of the lighter green sun grown leaves."

Most yerba mate of South America is grown like coffee -- sun plantations -- but the above company is working directly with the indigenous tribes of South America to provide jobs and also do rainforest reforestation.

Their company sustains the "2nd highest priority site for conservation in Paraguay."

So while it's "market-driven" in fact it's controlled by the indigenous technical knowledge of the Ache people.

3/16/2008 11:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This just in -- the below is a fascinating account of a neuroscientist studying schizophrenia analyzing a stroke shutting down her left brain:

"I grew up to study the brain because I have a brother who has been diagnosed with a brain disorder, schizophrenia. And as a sister and as a scientist, I wanted to understand, why is it that I can take my dreams, I can connect them to my reality, and I can make my dreams come true -- what is it about my brother's brain and his schizophrenia that he cannot connect his dreams to a common, shared reality, so they instead become delusions?

So I dedicated my career to research into the severe mental illnesses. And I moved from my home state of Indiana to Boston where I was working in the lab of Dr. Francine Benes, in the Harvard Department of Psychiatry. And in the lab, we were asking the question, What are the biological differences between the brains of individuals who would be diagnosed as normal control, as compared to the brains of individuals diagnosed with schizophrenia, schizoaffective, or bipolar disorder?

So we were essentially mapping the microcircuitry of the brain, which cells are communicating with which cells, with which chemicals, and then with what quantities of those chemicals. So there was a lot of meaning in my life because I was performing this kind of research during the day. But then in the evenings and on the weekends I traveled as an advocate for NAMI, the National Alliance on Mental Illness.

But on the morning of December 10 1996 I woke up to discover that I had a brain disorder of my own. A blood vessel exploded in the left half of my brain. And in the course of four hours I watched my brain completely deteriorate in its ability to process all information. On the morning of the hemorrhage I could not walk, talk, read, write or recall any of my life. I essentially became an infant in a woman's body.

If you've ever seen a human brain, it's obvious that the two hemispheres are completely separate from one another. And I have brought for you a real human brain. [Thanks.] So, this is a real human brain. This is the front of the brain, the back of the brain with a spinal cord hanging down, and this is how it would be positioned inside of my head. And when you look at the brain, it's obvious that the two cerebral cortices are completely separate from one another. For those of you who understand computers, our right hemisphere functions like a parallel processor. While our left hemisphere functions like a serial processor. The two hemispheres do communicate with one another through the corpus collosum, which is made up of some 300 million axonal fibers. But other than that, the two hemispheres are completely separate. Because they process information differently, each hemisphere thinks about different things, they care about different things, and dare I say, they have very different personalities. [Excuse me. Thank you. It's been a joy.]

Our right hemisphere is all about this present moment. It's all about right here right now. Our right hemisphere, it thinks in pictures and it learns kinesthetically through the movement of our bodies. Information in the form of energy streams in simultaneously through all of our sensory systems. And then it explodes into this enormous collage of what this present moment looks like. What this present moment smells like and tastes like, what it feels like and what it sounds like. I am an energy being connected to the energy all around me through the consciousness of my right hemisphere. We are energy beings connected to one another through the consciousness of our right hemispheres as one human family. And right here, right now, all we are brothers and sisters on this planet, here to make the world a better place. And in this moment we are perfect. We are whole. And we are beautiful.

My left hemisphere is a very different place. Our left hemisphere thinks linearly and methodically. Our left hemisphere is all about the past, and it's all about the future. Our left hemisphere is designed to take that enormous collage of the present moment. And start picking details and more details and more details about those details. It then categorizes and organizes all that information. Associates it with everything in the past we've ever learned and projects into the future all of our possibilities. And our left hemisphere thinks in language. It's that ongoing brain chatter that connects me and my internal world to my external world. It's that little voice that says to me, "Hey, you gotta remember to pick up bananas on your way home, and eat 'em in the morning." It's that calculating intelligence that reminds me when I have to do my laundry. But perhaps most important, it's that little voice that says to me, "I am. I am." And as soon as my left hemisphere says to me "I am," I become separate. I become a single solid individual separate from the energy flow around me and separate from you.

And this was the portion of my brain that I lost on the morning of my stroke.

On the morning of the stroke, I woke up to a pounding pain behind my left eye. And it was the kind of pain, caustic pain, that you get when you bite into ice cream. And it just gripped me and then it released me. Then it just gripped me and then released me. And it was very unusual for me to experience any kind of pain, so I thought OK, I'll just start my normal routine. So I got up and I jumped onto my cardio glider, which is a full-body exercise machine. And I'm jamming away on this thing, and I'm realizing that my hands looked like primitive claws grasping onto the bar. I thought "that's very peculiar" and I looked down at my body and I thought, "whoa, I'm a weird-looking thing." And it was as though my consciousness had shifted away from my normal perception of reality, where I'm the person on the machine having the experience, to some esoteric space where I'm witnessing myself having this experience.

And it was all every peculiar and my headache was just getting worse, so I get off the machine, and I'm walking across my living room floor, and I realize that everything inside of my body has slowed way down. And every step is very rigid and very deliberate. There's no fluidity to my pace, and there's this constriction in my area of perceptions so I'm just focused on internal systems. And I'm standing in my bathroom getting ready to step into the shower and I could actually hear the dialog inside of my body. I heard a little voice saying, "OK, you muscles, you gotta contract, you muscles you relax."

And I lost my balance and I'm propped up against the wall. And I look down at my arm and I realize that I can no longer define the boundaries of my body. I can't define where I begin and where I end. Because the atoms and the molecules of my arm blended with the atoms and molecules of the wall. And all I could detect was this energy. Energy. And I'm asking myself, "What is wrong with me, what is going on?" And in that moment, my brain chatter, my left hemisphere brain chatter went totally silent. Just like someone took a remote control and pushed the mute button and -- total silence.

And at first I was shocked to find myself inside of a silent mind. But then I was immediately captivated by the magnificence of energy around me. And because I could no longer identify the boundaries of my body, I felt enormous and expansive. I felt at one with all the energy that was, and it was beautiful there.

Then all of a sudden my left hemisphere comes back online and it says to me, "Hey! we got a problem, we got a problem, we gotta get some help." So it's like, OK, OK, I got a problem, but then I immediately drifted right back out into the consciousness, and I affectionately referred to this space as La La Land. But it was beautiful there. Imagine what it would be like to be totally disconnected from your brain chatter that connects you to the external world. So here I am in this space and any stress related to my, to my job, it was gone. And I felt lighter in my body. And imagine all of the relationships in the external world and the many stressors related to any of those, they were gone. I felt a sense of peacefulness. And imagine what it would feel like to lose 37 years of emotional baggage! I felt euphoria. Euphoria was beautiful -- and then my left hemisphere comes online and it says "Hey! you've got to pay attention, we've got to get help," and I'm thinking, "I got to get help, I gotta focus." So I get out of the shower and I mechanically dress and I'm walking around my apartment, and I'm thinking, "I gotta get to work, I gotta get to work, can I drive? can I drive?"

And in that moment my right arm went totally paralyzed by my side. And I realized, "Oh my gosh! I'm having a stroke! I'm having a stroke!" And the next thing my brain says to me is, "Wow! This is so cool. This is so cool. How many brain scientists have the opportunity to study their own brain from the inside out?"

And then it crosses my mind: "But I'm a very busy woman. I don't have time for a stroke!" So I'm like, "OK, I can't stop the stroke from happening so I'll do this for a week or two, and then I'll get back to my routine, OK."

So I gotta call help, I gotta call work. I couldn't remember the number at work, so I remembered, in my office I had a business card with my number on it. So I go in my business room, I pull out a 3-inch stack of business cards. And I'm looking at the card on top, and even though I could see clearly in my mind's eye what my business card looked like, I couldn't tell if this was my card or not, because all I could see were pixels. And the pixels of the words blended with the pixels of the background and the pixels of the symbols, and I just couldn't tell. And I would wait for what I call a wave of clarity. And in that moment, I would be able to reattach to normal reality and I could tell, that's not the card, that's not the card, that's not the card. It took me 45 minutes to get one inch down inside of that stack of cards.

In the meantime, for 45 minutes the hemorrhage is getting bigger in my left hemisphere. I do not understand numbers, I do not understand the telephone, but it's the only plan I have. So I take the phone pad and I put it right here, I'd take the business card, I'd put it right here, and I'm matching the shape of the squiggles on the card to the shape of the squiggles on the phone pad. But then I would drift back out into La La Land, and not remember when I come back if I'd already dialed those numbers.

So I had to wield my paralyzed arm like a stump, and cover the numbers as I went along and pushed them, so that as I would come back to normal reality I'd be able to tell, yes, I've already dialed that number. Eventually the whole number gets dialed, and I'm listening to the phone, and my colleague picks up the phone and he says to me, "Whoo woo wooo woo woo." [laughter] And I think to myself, "Oh my gosh, he sounds like a golden retriever!" And so I say to him, clear in my mind I say to him. "This is Jill! I need help!" And what comes out of my voice is, "Whoo woo wooo woo woo." I'm thinking, "Oh my gosh, I sound like a golden retriever." So I couldn't know, I didn't know that I couldn't speak or understand language until I tried.

So he recognizes that I need help, and he gets me help. And a little while later, I am riding in an ambulance from one hospital across Boston to Mass General Hospital. And I curl up into a little fetal ball. And just like a balloon with the last bit of air just, just right out of the balloon I felt my energy lift and I felt my spirit surrender. And in that moment I knew that I was no longer the choreographer of my life. And either the doctors rescue my body and give me a second chance at life or this was perhaps my moment of transition.

When I awoke later that afternoon I was shocked to discover that I was still alive. When I felt my spirit surrender, I said goodbye to my life, and my mind is now suspended between two very opposite planes of reality. Stimulation coming in through my sensory systems felt like pure pain. Light burned my brain like wildfire and sounds were so loud and chaotic that I could not pick a voice out from the background noise and I just wanted to escape. Because I could not identify the position of my body in space, I felt enormous and expensive, like a genie just liberated from her bottle. And my spirit soared free like a great whale gliding through the sea of silent euphoria. Harmonic. I remember thinking there's no way I would ever be able to squeeze the enormousness of myself back inside this tiny little body.

But I realized "But I'm still alive! I'm still alive and I have found Nirvana. And if I have found Nirvana and I'm still alive, then everyone who is alive can find Nirvana." I picture a world filled with beautiful, peaceful, compassionate, loving people who knew that they could come to this space at any time. And that they could purposely choose to step to the right of their left hemispheres and find this peace. And then I realized what a tremendous gift this experience could be, what a stroke of insight this could be to how we live our lives. And it motivated my to recover.

Two and a half weeks after the hemorrhage, the surgeons went in and they removed a blood clot the size of a golf ball that was pushing on my language centers. Here I am with my mama, who's a true angel in my life. It took me eight years to completely recover.

So who are we? We are the life force power of the universe, with manual dexterity and two cognitive minds. And we have the power to choose, moment by moment, who and how we want to be in the world. Right here right now, I can step into the consciousness of my right hemisphere where we are -- I am -- the life force power of the universe, and the life force power of the 50 trillion beautiful molecular geniuses that make up my form. At one with all that is. Or I can choose to step into the consciousness of my left hemisphere. where I become a single individual, a solid, separate from the flow, separate from you. I am Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor, intellectual, neuroanatomist. These are the "we" inside of me.

Which would you choose? Which do you choose? And when? I believe that the more time we spend choosing to run the deep inner peace circuitry of our right hemispheres, the more peace we will project into the world and the more peaceful our planet will be. And I thought that was an idea worth spreading.

3/16/2008 12:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That was from Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor posted at

3/16/2008 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Jeff still hasn’t finished this epic wobbly-form post, eh? Maybe Fletcher’s right, maybe he’s already said what he had to say—his archive is a trove of fascinating stuff dredged up from the murky depths of his (and our) severeal consciousnesses—and that’s okay, too. My only criticism of Jeff is his recent apparent surrender to the inevitability of the cycles of Empire; it’s just too easy to say we’ll never break out of that eternally recurring moment…especially when the key to it is simply the awareness of it!

Sure you’ve got Nietzsche breaking down, weeping at the indelible emblem of waste & cruelty—the whipping of the horse’s eyes—as those wards “acting in his interest” pack him off to the looney bin. Those who choose to see are more susceptible than the rest of us to the terminal unanchoring of the psyche (call it schizophrenia if you want, tell us it’s all in the genes if a material explanation is more satisfying, more “real”), but that doesn’t mean that dementia & despair are the only rewards for opening our eyes.

The role of the shaman is over-rated & typically misinterpreted by the West. We’re so fixated on ego that even when we’re open enough to admit the value of a vision outside the midden of matter, we right away strap all our leader baggage onto the poor guy’s shoulders, making him somehow more important than the rest of the tribe. It’s the vision that matters, not the interpretation of the holy man! This is the mistake of all organized religions (“it’s the shoe of the Anointed One!”—a dangerously funny clip, btw) and organized everythings for that matter: the need for leaders, hierarchies & dogmas. We just can’t seem to do without them.

Perversely, against all reason, common sense and intuition, the most popular ideations among the earthlings are those which tell them what’s not possible. They live in a multi-, veri-, omni-form, unencompassable universe and yet they spend their lives either marking off the Known from the Unknown (in the ridiculous conceit that one day their flat little maps will contain the All) or listening to charismatic charlatans telling them what is and what isn’t...possible.

Entropy. Linear increase. Security. Such enduring myths!

Even their licensed imagineers are blind apes for the most part; of the thousands & thousands of science fiction & fantasy novels published every year, only a handful create a window of possibility. The rest are just retreads of the standard five plots with stars painted on the cheesy backgrounds. Rudy Rucker is one exception, but the best is Iain M. Banks, who keeps writing these impossible gems—the Culture books, where an anarchist utopia has recognized money for what it is (an elaborate rationing system) and abolished it, immeasurably enriching both its citizens’ lives and the already teeming life of the cosmos. His newest one, Matter, transcends all limits.

Sooner or later, we’ll begin to do the same.

Oh, I just finished reading this thread...Drew: is there anything left to do? I don't think I've ever seen this much autodeification in one place before; it's awesome, just awesome! People should "kiss your feet"?! You've single-handedly "changed the policies on genetic engineering"?!


See? I told you those limits were all illusory.

3/16/2008 03:02:00 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

afrikinamerican, the quote you'll love to hate, from Quigley:

"The two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shift in policy." Quote by Georgetown Professor, Carroll Quigley from his book "Tragedy and Hope" referring to the secret network that started the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)...

3/16/2008 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Conversation between Jiddu Krishnamurti and David Bohm, from 'The Ending of Time'.

K:  "What is movement, apart from movement from here to there, apart from time--is there any other movement?
B:  Yes.
K:  There is. . . is there a movement which in itself has no division? . . . Would you say it has no end, no beginning?
B:  Yes. . . Can one say that movement has no form?
K:  No form--all that. I want to go a little further. What I am asking is, we said that when you have stated there is no division, this means no division in movement.
B:  It flows without division, you see.
K:  Yes, it is a movement in which there is no division. Do I capture the significance of that? Do I understand the depth of that statement? . . . I am trying to see if that movement is surrounding man?
B:  Yes, enveloping.
K:  I want to get at this. I am concerned with mankind, humanity, which is me. . . I have captured a statement which seems so absolutely true--that there is no division. Which means that there is no action which is divisive.
B:  Yes.
K:  I see that. And I also ask, is that movement without time, et cetera. It seems that it is the world, you follow?
B:  The universe.
K:  The universe, the cosmos, the whole.
B:  The totality.
K:  Totality. Isn't there a statement in the Jewish world, "Only God can say I am."
B:  Well, that's the way the language is built. It is not necessary to state it.
K:  No, I understand. You follow what I am trying to get at?
B:  Yes, that only this movement is.
K:  Can the mind be of this movement? Because that is timeless, therefore deathless.
B:  Yes, the movement is without death; in so far as the mind takes part in that, it is the same.
K:  You understand what 1 am saying?
B:  Yes. But what dies when the individual dies?
K:  That has no meaning, because once I have understood there is no division.
B:   . . . then it is not important.
K:  Death has no meaning.
B:   It still has a meaning in some other context.
K:  Oh, the ending of the body; that's totally trivial. But you understand? I want to capture the significance of the statement that there is no division, it has broken the spell of my darkness, and I see that there is a movement, and that's all. Which means death has very little meaning.
B:  Yes.
K:  You have abolished totally the fear of death.
B:  Yes, I understand that when the mind is partaking in that movement, then the mind is that movement.
K:  Yes, I would say that everything is. . . . One can never say then, "I am immortal." It is so childish.
B:  Yes, that's the division.
K:  Or, "I am seeking immortality." Or "I am becoming." We have wiped away the whole sense of moving in darkness. . .
B:   Just going back to what we were saying a few days ago: we said we have the emptiness, the universal mind, and then the ground is beyond that.
K:  Would you say beyond that is this movement?
B:  Yes. The mind emerges from the movement as a ground, and falls back to the ground; that is what we are saying.
K:  Yes, that's right. Mind emerges from the movement.
B:  And it dies back into the movement.
K:  That's right. It has its being in the movement.
B:  Yes, and matter also.
K:  Quite. So what I want to get at is, I am a human being faced with this ending and beginning. [This] abolishes that.
B:  Yes, it is not fundamental.
K:  It is not fundamental. One of the greatest fears of life, which is death, has been removed.
B:  Yes."

3/16/2008 09:10:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Ah! david Bohm!
I have some of his quotes on my craptastic blog on the holographic universe.
oh how pseudo-intelectual of me.
"It is proposed that the widespread and pervasive distinctions between people (race, nation, family, profession, etc., etc.) which are now preventing mankind from working together for the common good, and indeed, even for survival, have one of the key factors of their origin in a kind of thought that treats things as inherently divided, disconnected, and "broken up" into yet smaller constituent parts. Each part is considered to be essentially independent and self-existent.(David Bohm, Wholeness and the Implicate Order)
The notion that all these fragments is separately existent is evidently an illusion, and this illusion cannot do other than lead to endless conflict and confusion. Indeed, the attempt to live according to the notion that the fragments are really separate is, in essence, what has led to the growing series of extremely urgent crises that is confronting us today. Thus, as is now well known, this way of life has brought about pollution, destruction of the balance of nature, over-population, world-wide economic and political disorder and the creation of an overall environment that is neither physically nor mentally healthy for most of the people who live in it. Individually there has developed a widespread feeling of helplessness and despair, in the face of what seems to be an overwhelming mass of disparate social forces, going beyond the control and even the comprehension of the human beings who are caught up in it."
Yeah, his whole (wholeness) way of seeing is rather tidy, yet implies the "problem" of reality...great stuff.
just wonderful.
"we right away strap all our leader baggage onto the poor guy’s shoulders, making him somehow more important than the rest of the tribe. It’s the vision that matters, not the interpretation of the holy man! This is the mistake of all organized religions "
and that is what we do, unless we realize this "truth"
The priest becomes the sacrifice...
hmmmm...what religion does that remind me of...oh nevermind..
LOVED the thing about the Dr. having the stroke..
reminds me of a scene from "The Killer Shrew" on MST3K...uhm, yeah.

3/17/2008 08:10:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

IC - what a relief to see some of your irridescence in this deepening pool of Rigid Intolerance - this is not a harpoon aimed at Jeff, by the way, rather at those denizens of the deep who seem to be concentrating all their energy into increasing the toxicity of their precious tendrils.

I keep coming by to see what's going on, and haven't found the heart to contribute so far.

From afar, it looks like a pit in which two apparently intelligent children have figured out how to get one brick on top of another, have cobbled together a pyramid each, and are now sitting on the tops lobbing shit at each other and screaming like baboons.

Since I've never displayed the intelligence to engage either on their own ground, they probably won't be that offended by such jibes from a lower species. Perhaps I'm missing their various points entirely, but something tells me I'm not. If I'm not mistaken, we as communicants here are attempting to share information that may help us not only make sense of the world but also, if possible, improve our condition. I have great respect for men and women who give time and energy to improving the condition of our fellow humans, and I know that research and cross-checking are an essential part of that - but as I've noted before, when our little fucking EGO takes up too much room in our work, we follow it all headfirst down the toilet. This is exactly where humanity is headed today, and for exactly that reason - we can still save ourselves, in my humble opinion, but certainly not in that direction.

I loved the comment by Fletcher, who suggested that Drew and Mark go bowling together - unfortunately, in the light of their most recent skirmish, I'd seriously doubt their ability to maintain an upright position when unbalanced by the weight of a large ball. Left brain just won't compute it, absent an equivalent weight in beer below the waterline. Dodgy, though, because beer would shut down much of the left brain and conjure up the mystical presence of the Irish patron saint, the Blessed O'Blivion.

Gentlemen please - I'm not being cute when I say I respect you, it's a true statement - but can you see how powerful you could be working together?

And I'm going to say this without any fear of mistake - until we as humans accept that our spirit is the motor for all life, and our brain is a tool which is intended to be used in service of the spirit, which is equivalent to saying in service of mankind and beyond, then we're going nowhere. What you guys are doing is the equivalent of lupus.

An anonymous poster also commented on his or her (probably his) discovery of Kundalini energy, but apart from switching off streelights and making small furry creatures nervous, could see no point in it. Well, friend, as long as you believe that you're all on your own, you're right. But could it not be an interesting avenue of discovery to accept first of all that this energy exists for a reason, and then see if anything creative, useful, even unusual, can be done with it? Let's not forget that we use only an infinitesimal part of our potential - maybe you're onto something important for you and for others? I can't tell you, and neither can anyone else.

That basically is my beef with the over-educated - the tragically hard-won idea that truth can only be gained their way, and no other - religion and politics have fucked the world up for millenia like this, and look where we are now.

As for Jeff and his shot at Obama believers - he was as acid about Hillary Clinton, remember, and no doubt as accurate. Politics today is a shoddy sideshow, surely we can admit that. The very best we can hope for these days is the election of a person who will take a little longer getting us all branded than the competition. Fuck that shit.

The way out is seeking your spirit and listening to it. That's it.

And Drew, I still make infrequent attempts to read and understand your Mothership blog, but it's almost impossible for me - not just because it's intellectually beyond me, which it is, but mostly because I have the very powerful impression that it's not going to help me. Doesn't mean you're wrong though, just that it's not my path. Both Drew and Mark share some really interesting material.

What is your definition of intelligence? Mine doesn't seem to harmonise with a lot of people's - I feel the concept of intelligence should measure the amount by which we as humans function in harmony with the source of Life. It's not a brain capacity for me - what's the point of owning a bank of IBM BlueGenes if all you use it for is playing Grand Theft Auto? Shakespeare used a goose quill.

3/17/2008 08:33:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

Fletch looks like you were writing as I was writing - great quote from David Bohm - best wishes

3/17/2008 08:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

K: Now, what is the question? Is there an energy which is non-mechanistic, which is endless, renewing itself? I say there is. Most definitely. But it is not what you call kundalini. The body must be sensitive. If you are working, clearing up the house, the body becomes very sensitive. The body then has its own intelligence, not the intelligence which the mind dictates to the body. Therefore, the body becomes extraordinarily sensitive, not sensitive to its desires, or sensitive to wanting something, but it becomes sensitive per se. Right? Then, what happens? If you really want me to go into it, I’ll do so. The people who speak of the awakening of kundalini, I question. They have not worked at the other, but say they have awakened kundalini. Therefore, I question their ability, their truth. I am not antagonistic, but I am questioning it. A man who eats meat, wants publicity, wants this and that and says his kundalini is awakened, I say it is nonsense. There must be a cleansing of this house all the time. Then Pupul says, ‘Can we talk about an energy which I feel must exist?’, not theoretically but of which she has had a glimpse, the feeling of it, an energy that is endless; and K comes along and says ‘yes’, there is such a thing. There is an energy which is renewing itself all the time, which is not mechanistic, which has no cause, which has no beginning and therefore no ending. It is an eternal movement. I say there is. What value has it to the listener? I say ‘yes’ and you listen to me. I say to myself what value has that to you? Will you go off into that and not clear up the house?
P: That means, sir, that to the person who enquires, it is the cultivation of the soil which is the ending of suffering, which is essential.
K: The only job. Nothing else. It is the most sacred thing, therefore you can’t invite it. And you are all inviting it.
Clearing up the house demands tremendous discipline, not the discipline of control, suppression and obedience, you follow? In itself it demands tremendous attention. When you give your complete attention, then you will see a totally different kind of thing taking place, an energy in which there is no repetition, an energy that isn’t coming and going. It is not as though I have it one day and a month later I don’t have it. It implies, keeping the mind completely empty. Can you do that?
VA: For a while.
K: No, no. I have asked: Can the mind keep itself empty? Then, there is that energy. You don’t even have to ask for it. When there is space, it is empty and therefore full of energy. So, in cleansing, in ending the things of the house, of sorrow, can the mind be completely empty, without any motive, without any desire? When you are working at this, keeping the house clean, other things come naturally. It isn’t you who are preparing the soil for that. That is meditation.
P: And the nature of that is the transformation of the human mind.
K: You see as Apa Saheb was saying, we are programmed to centuries of conditioning. When there is the stopping of it, there is an ending of it. If you pull the plug out of the computer, it can’t function any more. Now, the question is: Can that centre, which is selfishness, end? And not keep on and on? Can that centre end? When that ends, there is no movement of time. That is all. When the movement of the mind from the centre to the periphery stops, time stops. When there is no movement of selfishness, there is a totally different kind of movement.

J.Krishnamurti -Exploration into Insight, Bombay, 18th january, 1977.

3/17/2008 11:15:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Fletcher & Fructedor:

Much reciprocity & reverberating resonance from me. I’ve stayed away from this poor, drying pool for different reasons—this clay vessel of mine is failing me again—but I too was struck by how stupid this battle between Mark & Drew was. We’re all on the same side, not just here but out in the wider world as well; if we’re divided, what does that say about the chances of overcoming divisions outside the friendly confines?

On the other hand, why should the presence of discord here be more surprising than anywhere else? As above, so below works laterally, too, apparently. And yet, all of us—every human at any point in space & time—have the same fundamental needs & capacities. The wonder is that these divisions work at all. But then they’re constantly reinforced, built into the nature of system itself, or, in the case of our feuding friends, come by honestly, if unfortunately, the result of clashing principles & perspectives.

There is a way around this impasse, this terrible civil war of the fragmented human psyche, and you guys have seen it: revisiting the path not taken 200 years ago. Technological innovation and socio-political reorganization cannot bridge the chasms in which humanity huddles; neither can conventional religion, since its focus is not on this plane. But if spirit were reintroduced into the material world, not as a new religion—please!—but as a trusted guide, then the path to an ancient vision of stewardship would open up again.

It’s been occluded & occulted (even though it’s not occult at all) and for good reason: there is no power or profit to be found there, only sustenance and mutual aid (this latter somewhat on the model old Kropotkin saw working in Nature.) Now, as you read (if you read!) the following lengthy excerpt from an interview with the authors of this re-found vision--Green Hermeticism: Alchemy and Ecology—you’ll see people and ideas that have been portrayed as “lunatic” and Masonic (Drew is gonna be all over this stuff, maybe especially because his boy Kirkpatrick Sale didn’t really get the Luddites when he revisited them), but you can trust your own guide, your own rigor. The rest of the article is also worth the click, but it’s hiding way down an otherwise empty page for some reason.

So here goes—pardon the data dump!

from Green Hermeticism: David Levi Strauss in conversation with Peter Lamborn Wilson and Christopher Bamford:

Strauss: So what is Green Hermeticism, and why is it arising now?

Wilson: The name arose during this conference, and I don’t remember who first said it, but it immediately struck everybody as an idea whose time had come. We all agreed that there is not a sufficient spiritual focus for the environmental movement. And without a spiritual focus, a movement like this doesn’t generate the kind of emotional energy that it needs to battle against global capitalism—that for which there is no other reality, according to most people. It should be a rallying call of the spirit for the environmental movement, or for as many parts of that movement as could be open to it. Harvard University Press just did this whole series of books on religions and ecology: Taoism and ecology, Islam and ecology, Christianity and ecology . . . . The good thing about Hermeticism is that it could fit into any of those religious categories and it could appeal to those people who are not part of an organized religion and would never want to be, but who are at least open to the idea of the spirit, because what Hermeticism has to offer is that it is not a religion, and it’s not a science. It can’t be reduced into any of these categories. The only category that it can be included in is the one that it gives itself, when it calls itself “art,” but of course they didn’t mean art in quite the modern sense.

Strauss: They meant practice.

Wilson: They meant practice, yes. But it’s good that we think of it as an art, because an art could belong to Buddhism as much as to atheism. It could belong to Taoism as much as to Islam, to Christianity as much as to shamanism.

Strauss: Chris, where did this all begin for you?

Bamford: Well, for me, Green Hermeticism began more than 35 years ago, when I was a graduate student at the Annenberg School of Communications and a filmmaker for the first Earth Day in Philadelphia in 1970. And the little collective I was part of, whose logo, in keeping with the mood of the times, was the mushroom cloud, was very much influenced by Gregory Bateson. His essays—especially one called “Form, Substance, and Difference”—were just beginning to circulate. Later, they were collected in Steps to An Ecology of Mind. Bateson made it very clear that human thinking as practiced in the West no longer cohered with nature, or matched reality—that in fact there was a mismatch between our epistemology or way of knowing, and nature’s way of knowing. And so the focus of the film we made was that the biggest ecological problem we faced was our whole way of thinking and being. We tried to make the point that if we simply attempted to do ecology out of our existing epistemology, we would only be putting band-aids on problems, which would just emerge much more dangerously later on. Now Bateson, describing our situation, mentioned that, as he saw it historically, there were two ways to look at nature. He called them “Pythagorean” and “Aristotelean.”

Wilson: Why did he pick Pythagoras instead of Plato in that respect? Just in order to avoid Platonism?

Bamford: To avoid Platonic dualism, yes, and to go further back into a more non-dualistic point of view. Pythagoras, the non-dualist, asked after the “how” of a thing: how does it work, what’s its pattern, its relationships? Whereas Aristotle, more dualist, wanted to know the “what.” What’s it made of? In other words, do you ask after substance, or after pattern or process? On this basis, Bateson sketched out a mythological or imaginary pantheon of “pattern thinkers” from the Gnostics and alchemists through the Renaissance Hermeticists, and on up to Lamarck, Blake, and Romantic Scientists like Goethe and Novalis. This was the clue that put me onto the alchemists, who knew the “how,” and had an epistemology that consciously sought to give expression to nature’s own way of doing things.

Wilson: Why Lamarck?

Bamford: Lamarck as a more pattern-oriented evolutionary thinker, as opposed to Darwin. Anyway, from that point on I was obsessed.

Wilson: Did you know Bateson at that time?

Bamford: No, I met him later. But that’s what started me on the path of realizing that modern civilization has no adequate epistemology or way to understand nature, to work with her, cohere with her, be a part of her. It made me understand that no task was more vital than recovering an immanent, nature-based way of thinking and being. Bateson gave me the clue that this path lay in Hermeticism and alchemy.

Wilson: Do you think that he was the first person to make this connection so clearly?

Bamford: He may have been the first to bring in the ecological crisis.

Wilson: Yeah, because now we can look back with hindsight and see that all those things were present in these various traditions, but someone had to notice it.

Bamford: In our time, the Romantics were the first. At the beginning of the nineteenth century, they were already very aware of what Industrialism and Newton’s single vision would bring, and so they plunged into seeking an alternative vision in Neo-Platonism, Giordano Bruno, alchemy, and so on.

Strauss: Can you give us a sense of how Bateson’s ideas were received then, and how they played out after Earth Day among environmentalists?

Bamford: That raises a very fundamental question. Certainly, Bateson’s point of view was taken up by a number of scientists like Francisco Varela and Humberto Maturana, who brought a kind of Buddhist epistemology into what still remained basically a biological scientific vision. At the same time, the actual study and practice of alchemy also began to take hold in the interstices of the spiritual subculture—not with any idea of science in the ordinary sense but to try to understand the thing itself. In retrospect, and here is the interesting question, it’s not clear whether you can make a leap or bridge from a scientific mentality to a Hermetic one; that is, whether conventional science can somehow become Hermetic, or whether—this not being possible—we are going to have to create a new science-art-spirituality working out of alchemy and Hermeticism on their own terms, thus renewing and re-imagining for our time the ancient sacred science of nature. In other words, perhaps it is in the nature of the project that the bridge will have to be built from Hermeticism to a new kind of science rather than from conventional science to Hermeticism.

Wilson: It would be better to say it’s all a complex of inter-relating complexities and let it work both ways. You can think of examples of scientists who, I think, started out as scientists then realized later how interesting Hermeticism is, like Ralph Abraham. Or you can think of humanists, like us, drawn towards science because we can see how Hermeticism is incomplete without the hard scientific laboratory aspect.

Bamford: You make the point in the book, however, that modern science is perverted and stolen from Hermeticism, and that’s true, but at the same time, when modern science was being created, Descartes’ friend Mersenne hounded Giordano Bruno and considered him the most dangerous man in the world because he sought to put all things into mind, which smelled to Mersenne of magic. It certainly seemed clear then that the Hermetic and the modern scientific were radically alternative and incompatible approaches to nature. After that, for 40 or 50 years there was a real struggle over whether science would become Hermetic and compassionate, or Cartesian, rational, dualistic, and aggressive.

Strauss: This is a history that’s been almost entirely occluded.

Bamford: That’s right. Except for a wonderful book by Carolyn Merchant called The Death of Nature: Women, Ecology, and the Scientific Revolution. Throughout the seventeenth century, as Cartesianism is developing and heading for Newton, you find Rosicrucians like Robert Fludd, Paracelsians like Van Helmont, all sorts of alchemists, as well as philosophers like the Cambridge Platonists, all trying to create a new culture out of Hermeticism in opposition to the rising mechanistic dualism.

Wilson: When does she cut it off? What’s her catastrophe date?

Bamford: She cuts it off with Newton.

Wilson: You see, I think it went on long after Newton.

Bamford: It did, but with Newton the paradigm was established, and this continued into the Enlightenment.

Wilson: But the long story of how the Newtonians won is important.

Bamford: And it was gradual. I’d say there was 40 or 50 years when the battle was still being fought, before the turn was made.

Wilson: In hindsight, you can see those kinds of 50-year moments. It strikes me that this story isn’t over until practically the end of the nineteenth century.

Bamford: And it’s not over yet.

Wilson: It’s still not over. We’re raking it up again.

(Just kidding with that last link--it's only some inappropriately scary's the rest of the interview.)

3/17/2008 03:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well Hakim Bey (Peter Lamborn Wilson) read my research about 10 years ago, if I'm remembering a response I got from him.

I read his Parabola article about a year ago about his new "green alchemy" research in upstate NY. He's too western and his whole fondling young boys schtick would be frowned upon by Gurdjieff, if not the authorities.

I'm strictly a no-touch dude -- like this new qigong master cooking fish with his third eye.

3/17/2008 04:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Occultic knowledge of deep things, Theosophy, injustices, defraudation, assassinations, weakly medical establishments, betrayals, greed, lies, fear, arrogance, elites sophisticated manipulations, senseless pride as an insane person, and death. Since these are realities, I reject whatever I want for reasons of my own making. I decide what is right for me even if it is wrong and damaging to my person. I am a human. I can choose to mock and belittle because I want to. I as a dust speck in the Milky Way can and will fantasize that the world revolves around myself. And since I love lies and delusions I cannot possibly be confused about anything because I do not care about anything except for matters regarding my person. I enjoy the company of the opposite sex better than relationships with anything else on this planet. I can disagree with any principle simply because I want to. I allow myself to be a fool, a madman, a leader, and a wise man. I will probably be buried in the ground as a dog is buried. I believe that my house and city one day will not exist anymore. And that when I am dead I will not retain any memory of my experience on this earth eternally. Take that you mother fuckers that love to screw with my mind and chew on pieces of each others shit on top of that. I hope you all have a happy St. Patrick's Day. Eat shit you cowardly mind fuckers. Take that. I have openly acknowledged your worthless presence in the world. ha ha hahahaha Why would you believe that I actually care about what you think of me? Predictable pathetic attitudes, philosophies, mentalities, and reasonings. Easy two faced bastards that reap what you sow in life. Uncaring irresponsible dumb fucks playing into propagations that are as empty as your heads are. Unbelievably ignorant as you are arrogant. A total waste of one's time. Get fucked and start reaping what you are sowing in boring repetitive fashion witting martyrs for your ridiculous causes. On top of nothing as usual and in control of imaginations of crazed, petty, and silly influence.

3/17/2008 04:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A new Spring Forest Qigong healer:

3/17/2008 07:15:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...



Yes like the movie "Cabin Fever"
we have a plague of decay. Entropy isn't through w/ us (and by us I mean everything/one)
anymore than we notice it.
What I can't quite grasp is how The Media has really blown up the Obama's minister(former) pastor's comments ........and the stance that been afforded to the Great Grampa McCain...
I mean I can understand it but it makes me sad, that people fall for that.
People of more years than me who can't see through it even though they have the experience of History that would make you assume they'd know better...
McCain has gleefully connected himself with the extreme right wing evangelical church, who really peddle Hatred w/ a capitol H.
and the Media is Silent....
But then you have Obama's pastor (of whom he's been a member of his church for like 17 years) say something that's basically True, that America isn't really the best place in the world if you're Black,
(i admit it's a little over the top)
But he gets blasted for it
and has to defend himself and everything, his pastor recently resigned..
Can you Imagine John Hagee resigning as pastor of Crazy-Ass-Evangelicals-R-Us?
But people buy it!!!!!!
Who knows what insane, stuttering Gods they pray to, alone in the dark with the jellyfishes........
eat it Belliosto.

3/17/2008 07:25:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Classic response, Drew, classic. Unlike Belliosto’s deep raw howl—as honest as it burns—you take your usual path. Dismiss, discredit & exclude (“No that’s not right, the universe isn’t…”) and then measure it up (or rather the authors, as if the ideas were secondary to the personalities associated with them) in relation to you and your “achievements”.

So you once wrote something to one of the authors…and the significance is…? Are you completely mad? Does your ego know no bounds? Still, at least you didn’t use your goofy mathematical litmus test to prove that a bridge between you and Mark doesn’t exist.


Eminently sane response. As much as real musicians like Fructedor might be shocked (or not, having never asked him about it) at this notion, I’ve always found that when melody and rhythm can’t express it, sheer volume (and really heavy gauge strings) can sometimes wring it out of you through the ritual bloodletting of the fast & furious jam. Back when I used to do such things—not so long ago, really—a woman in the audience once got up at the end of a weirdly adrenalinated set and expressed her outrage that my friend had splattered his blood all over her new white sweater. By nature a normally very quiet and polite person, he offered to pay for a new one, which, I think, disarmed her more than his onstage antics.

They're still together.


That's another version of the eternally recurring question. There have been 4 or 5 threads on the discussion board recently asking why folks can't address the dissonance in their heads:

Looming Threat for Dems: People Against the War Prefer McCain

Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11

American war crimes about to be revealed

When I suggested checking out the Real McCain videos to a person who wanted to give "the maverick a chance," he told me I shouldn't spread such scurrilous, slanderous smut. Here, at RI! He also suggested that charging Americans with war crimes was an "absurd" notion, since they're the good guys.

See no evil, hear no...

(as compared with Sgt. Schultz's "I see nothing...!")

3/17/2008 09:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off Topic:

Jeff, et al.

During the course of your research, has anyone come across background information on this group?

The Norma J. Morris Center for healing from child abuse is the 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization that created the ASCA Program.

In 1993, The Morris Center's Leadership Council (a team of seasoned therapists and community volunteers) designed and launched the first of several ASCA meetings in the San Francisco Bay Area. Over the years, we have continued to update and evolve the ASCA program.

In 1999, The Morris Center embarked on a bold experiment. We decided to
host all ASCA materials on our website (

Individuals and organizations may download and use any materials they
consider helpful to their recovery.

They do not divulge the names or backgrounds of their so-called 'Leadership Council' on the website and they do not respond to emails when asked for more information in this area.

Are they required to release this information by law?

I called their San Francisco location a while back to ask for their office hours and a woman by the name of 'Dorothy' answered!

Thanks in advance,


3/17/2008 09:53:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

well...perhaps Belliosto's right.
I guess I'm the fool for thinking people could be civil for a's always sad to me when we take to blasting at one another, safely, anonymously on a message board, just for the sake of making our own feeble or fragile ego feel justified or whatever.

oh well....
I love Death Metal for about 5 seconds, then I get angry. But I'm smiling at the same time...weird.
GGG I know you heard of Solfeggio Frequencies...

with sauce?

3/17/2008 10:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well I realize the basic premise of my blogbook goes over the head of the readers here. For example Abe in Germany picked up my blogbook from here and you can read his comments --

It took a few months before he figured out the basic structural math argument -- it's actually based on RATIOS, just like:

Bringing Down the House by Ben Mezrich (2002).

I just finished this book about the M.I.T. math wizards beating the casinos -- it's released this month as "21," a movie. The math behind it is fascinating as the secret of "counting" cards is to match high and low as complementary opposites based on a "continuous" probability system.

As I've pointed out Einstein believed math is not "pure" but has to be tested in physical reality and, of course, the math is inherently dependent on the technology used to test it.

This is why the math itself is destroying the ecology of the planet. "Bringing Down the House" is an excellent example of the power of math.

The ratio system of complementary opposites relies on what I've called "female formless awareness" -- the nonlocal information recognized in quantum mechanics but not limited to an "after-the-fact" testing system as in q.m., due to a different logic system.

Instead Taoism and Pythagorean ratios -- alchemy -- relies on what could accurately be also called:


Form would be geometry while function would be logic derived from pure number through inference. So it's not dependent on a specific technology to test the system, thereby bypassing all the messes complications of Wall St., Vegas, civilization, etc.

Have a nice evening.

3/17/2008 10:20:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

So, Drew, here’s a question for ya. If you really think that the basic premise of your Mothership goes over the head of the readers here (since it took poor “Abe in Germany a few months before he figured out the basic structural math argument”), and if you really think that “the math itself is destroying the ecology of the planet,” and if your fertile foamy alertness is really the opposite of the mathy Matrix world (the very same alchemy that the green hermeticists talk about—or is Pir Zia Inayat Khan a child molester, too?), then why did you write the Mothership in math-ese, the language of the disease?

It’s not that the concept is difficult; it’s the writing, which is no dig at your thinking, just your methodology. Of course, Epicenters wasn’t exactly Tom Robbins either, but that was homework and as such can be forgiven for the flatulence. (And believe me, I know what it is to be accused of verbal incontinence.) I realize that it’s awfully hard to write in the language of alchemy, and your forays into the void of formlessness bear this out, even before you get to the bliss erections, but to define your way by describing what it’s not—and especially to attack the thoughtscapes of others by using the buzzing language of the dreaded mathists—seems, well, kinda weird. Like a militant vegan who only uses meat metaphors drenched in blood.

Here’s a truly well intended helpful hint. (I mean aside from trying to be just a little more inclusive and a little less egotistical…) Since you’ve latched onto the problem with phonemic languages as modes of expressing a dynamical world, for which you need no equations at all, btw, try it from the wharf of Whorf. That link, one of my very favorites, goes deep into the problem with noun-iness and the real, terribly misunderstood & under-appreciated value of our endangered Native American & indigenous languages everywhere (check out the irony of Chomsky manufacturing his own consent and Pinker’s establishment agenda—you’ll get it.) Alex Gross is another very deep mine—and an awfully nice guy—with the best pure linguistics vein as well as a ton of other material on the problem of expressing the ineffable with the inadequate

The only answer is, I think, poetry. Or maybe prose so purple it pulses…not that that can’t be annoying. (Or so I’ve been told.) Last, stop underestimating your audience; you keep calling everyone too stupid to get you, when really smart people can make incredibly complicated things perfectly understandable to any audience.

Did you have an unfortunate experience on a bridge when you were young or something?

Good luck.

(I was writing that before I spotted your admonition to be civil, Fletcher—did I pass?)

Btw, and to return to your question about the common failure to address the bull by its business end, did you ever read the painter Robert Shetterly’s The Necessary Embrace of Conspiracy? Here’s a little chunk:

In fact, the cultural success of labeling investigative reporters and forensic historians, and, simply, anyone who tries to name reality, “conspiracy nuts” is perhaps the most successful conspiracy of our time. Well, not the most successful. That prize goes to the conspiracy to give corporations all the rights of individual persons under our Constitution. That conspiracy has codified and consolidated corporate power so that it controls our lives in almost every meaningful way. It controls the election funds of our candidates, and them once they are in office. It controls our major media including public broadcasting. It controls the content of our television programming. It controls how are tax dollars are spent making sure that the richest get the most welfare. It controls the laws, the courts, the prison system and the mind numbing propaganda that we are the greatest democracy on earth. It controls the values with which we raise our children. It controls our ability to dispense justice. It controls how we treat nature, how we deface our land with strip malls, and blow the tops off our mountains — a form of corporate free speech. It dictates our modes of transportation. It controls our inability to respond to true crises like climate change. It attempts to create a spiritual deficiency in every person that can be filled and healed only with stuff — and no stuff is ever enough.

As Richard Grossman puts it, “Isn’t it an old story? People create what looks to be a nifty machine, a robot, called the corporation. Over time, the robots get together and overpower the people. … For a century, the robots propagandize and indoctrinate each generation of people so they grow up believing that robots are people too, gifts from God and Mother Nature; that they are inevitable and the source of all that is good. How odd that we have been so gullible, so docile, obedient.”

3/18/2008 12:21:00 AM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Oh, yeah, Fletcher--it wasn't exactly death metal we were playing...just that crazy eclectica that any trippy bar band gets into when the audience starts to impose its will a bit too forcefully.

3/18/2008 12:26:00 AM  
Blogger Fructedor said...

IC - unshocked - I've been there - in fact, I was probably playing bass that night. Belliosto makes far more sense to me than any Brainiac. Back later.

3/18/2008 01:55:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Hi IC. IC quoted:

"Strauss: So what is Green Hermeticism, and why is it arising now?

Wilson: The name arose during this conference, and I don’t remember who first said it, but it immediately struck everybody as an idea whose time had come. We all agreed that there is not a sufficient spiritual focus for the environmental movement. And without a spiritual focus, a movement like this doesn’t generate the kind of emotional energy that it needs to battle against global capitalism—that for which there is no other reality, according to most people. It should be a rallying call of the spirit for the environmental movement, or for as many parts of that movement as could be open to it."

Actually, the Green movement has always has this 'change of heart' of a different religious issue.

Green Politics by Charlene Spretnak and Fritjof Capra (Paperback - Jun 1986)

The Spiritual Dimension of Green Politics by Charlene Spretnak (Paperback - Dec 1986)

Or a more recent one:

A Greener Faith: Religious Environmentalism and Our Planet's Future by Roger S. Gottlieb (Hardcover - May 30, 2006)

--showing a plurality of religious traditions going green instead of Wilson's single one. From the Gottleib reader for instance:

"The argument of Gottlieb's hopeful, surprising book is that today, religious people and organizations are among the most committed, and most persuasive, environmental activists. Gottlieb's view is global, principally examining religious green activism in the U.S., but also looking at Zimbabwe, Taiwan and the Vatican. And his approach is ecumenical, encompassing Jewish and Christian theologians who have found a powerful biblical call to stewardship of God's creation, and Buddhist teachers who are prompted by their belief in compassion to extend care to the natural world. Church groups have participated in peaceful demonstrations against the Bush administration's energy policy; Jews, inspired by the holiday of Tu B'Shvat, the birthday of the trees, have planted redwoods in denuded stream banks owned by grasping corporations; and interfaith groups have petitioned lawmakers to address global warming. Sometimes religious groups cooperate with secular organizers, as when the Sierra Club and the National Council of Churches co-sponsored a proconservation TV ad. Not only have religious activists helped energize the environmental movement, but environmentalism has reinvigorated religious practice: Lay people and clerics alike have crafted new religious rituals that celebrate the Earth, such as Buddhist gathas (short verbal formulas) for recycling and Christian liturgies for Earth Day. Gottlieb keeps academic jargon to a minimum, so this timely book should have crossover appeal."

These books' themes are over twenty years old for the most part. So Wilson's premise seems only advertising for themselves. I think Wilson is just promoting his view of this religiosity as 'the one', that's all. And I think that is always dangerous and playing with fire because there are many examples of different religious traditions getting a 'green' element. It's that self-adoration, monopolozing, and "let me own your soul because I deserve to more than you" is what annoys me about Drew. So like I type at Drew, I question Wilson's seemingly exclusive ownership claims over green religiosity here.

I would qualify his statement that "without a spiritual focus, a movement like this doesn’t generate the kind of emotional energy". True, it can and has. Though I would say false as well, a single party, single religion, or single expectation of ideology, or whatever--has tended to be unable to capture 'greenness' in the past since it arrives from different locations. A wider cross-ecumenical or secular movement with many (different) religious followers seems a 'big tent' movement more likely to win. I wrote more on this elsewhere, for the curious:

"As I argue in Toward a Bioregional State, ecological salvation through any singular informal party is unlikely, given more competitive parties are the only check on unsustainable gatekeeping and the political corruption involved in environmental degradation. The German Greens, known as Die Grunen, seem to show this lack of capacity for serving ecological salvation from the moment they gained slight power in Germany and started to loose their original principles, demographic support, and many policies--toward greencoating an unsustainable arrangement.

The idea of moving a singular political party into the state and then reorienting the state from only that singular political party basis is a faulty model of sustainable change. Instead, the state should be reoriented first to generate a more competitive party framework to remove the gatekeeping of any party--because the grand majority of the population supports a combination of green sentiment in many countries worldwide."

And because one party has been unable to capture or direct all 'green-ness' because it is already the supermajority.


IC said to Drew:

"So you once wrote something to one of the authors…and the significance is…? Are you completely mad? Does your ego know no bounds?"

No, Drew's ego is larger than the universe. While that's fine if he wants to believe that, my only beef with that is that he's going to fail in being his "Activist Superhero" until he treats people as more than as raw putty for his hands.

Though I think he's old enough to perhaps be stuck in his ways already and would refuse to change even if he could or wanted to, and I sadly think he is unable to. Though we can still try.

By the way, Drew, I loved the John Chang video and that 'fish fry' image. I put them at the base of this link on the website you love to hate, Drew.

Quoting the introduction:

"49. Humans themselves as a ‘designed commodity’

(i.e., materials for those of eugenic bent, gene knowledge, etc.; or replaceable human parts whether transplants or cyborg machine substitutes like dialysis machines, artificial hearts, or artificial kidneys, etc.; or ideas of epigenetics and a completely different world of more benign applications)

I. Unsubstantiated Materialist Genetic Dogma Coming out of Eugenics, Versus More Demonstratively Interactive Mind/Body/Gene Epigenetics

I can think of two major categories, two paths if you will, that determine how this category is strategically utilized.

On the one hand there is the materialist view and materialist reductionist dogma of 'the gene as controller' and by association that material issues and material interventions (genetic or machine) can possibly be the only controller. This however is hardly the case (see section two below) since gene expression is regulated by several other variables more mentally biochemical and environmental.

Despite this, the past general construct encourages assuming that enhancements of the human body 'are required to be' all in one materialist category like [1] either those of unethical genetic weeding (forced sterilization, eugenics constructs based on a political program and ideological program instead of truly based some demonstrated 'gene as sole controller' scientific demonstration), or [2] direct material treatments like interventionist 'gene therapy' (based on the false assumption that this is the only route to change the gene expression), or [3] material machine additions for enhancement equally deterministic in their construct views about the body, genes, and where enhancement 'has to' come from.

This general philosophical construct of 'materialism as [the only] cause' has mislead us about empirical gene expression instead of enlightened us, because other equally material changes can occur from other routes more amenable to human self-change of their own gene expression."

Then it goes on toward the inverse: toward ideas and mental training ways to improve your physical self instead of depend upon the assumption that only material interventions are forms of human betterment.

The rest is here.


Drew, let's try another tact. Have you ever shown all that lack of fellow feeling and hatred you have to your Qigong teachers or do you hide it from them?


Drew said:

"As I've pointed out Einstein believed math is not "pure" but has to be tested in physical reality and, of course, the math is inherently dependent on the technology used to test it. This is why the math itself is destroying the ecology of the planet...."

Drew, this seems schitzoid once more. You're saying that math is the dependent variable ("math is inherently dependent" off [independent] technology), then you claim it is the independent variable ("the math itself is destroying"...).


Sure Drew and I and many others could work together or even go bowling.

That's kind of the main point of the bioregional state.

No one has to agree ideologically, as long as they equally avoid pollution streams on each other from different watersheds.

I suppose it comes down to the point that the bioregional state is humanist, rational, secular, tolerant, and institutional in the Enlightenment tradition against forms of political and economic tyranny, while green anarchists are in their own estimation "anti-civilizational" and even anti-humanist in service of green goals. On the contrary, bioregional state proposals show that to be pro-humanist (i.e., to be concerned with reflecting human concerns on local areas) is a very green proposal given the supermajorities for a 'health, ecological, and economic' change in development policy. In other words, humans are your friends, instead of your enemies, in working toward sustainability.


"Anyone can populate a watershed and run it sustainably on their own democratic designs with these facilitating institutions as long as the watershed avoids polluting other linked watersheds nearby and as long as universalistic human rights are protected in the watershed. In both these cases, a bioregional commonwealth of institutions becomes ironically more preserving of the realities of local sustainability than direct autonomy. Mere autarky unfortunately in the minds of some greens and libertarians is a valid way to support localism. However, it is a poor manner in which to protect localism because it leaves open the possibility of unfortunately poorly representative watersheds ‘autonomously’ polluting nearby more representative watersheds or even repressing the civil rights of its local population minorities."

Though at this point I am skeptical whether Drew could get enough people to run a watershed along the theocratic lines he wants, and I tend to imagine Drew repressing others' civil rights if he had any power.


IC, beware, I want to make something clear. Both of us are going to be unable to convince a schizoid he is schizoid. So why does it look like I do it? Well, I'm more than writing with (or against) Drew here. I started this 'conversation' ostensibly with Drew because others are reading as well (who are not schizoid, and can hopefully make up their mind for themselves about him), as well as because Drew is a fellow human being who I felt duty bound to attempt to contact with and maybe contribute to his healing.

3/18/2008 02:36:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

In the video drew passed along, given the chi was unable to be tested on the amp/volt meter, though it was there in the reactions of human bodies and even disbeliving material phycists, is it scalar?

From a short web browse, Some others have had this idea. Just substitute the current word 'scalar' or 'zero point field' for the following ancient religious terms:

Quotes about Chi [from the link]

You posses the ability to tap a bottomless well of physical and psychic energy (called "chi" in Chinese). With it, you can harness the magickal power of the universe. Yet most of us unknowingly block the flow of this power, and live out our lives not reaching the potential that we could achieve if we only knew how.
Lily of the Valley Carnie
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The Vedics created an elaborate science spanning yoga, meditation and diet for pooling this higher-dimensional energy, which they termed “prana,” into their bodies. The Taoists developed a similar science for cultivating “chi.” Early in the 20th Century, Nikola Tesla theorized the existence of “scalar” waves (subsequently popularized by Tom Bearden) that transcend spatial limitations and are capable of acting instantaneously at a distance. Tesla created a prototype scalar system for free electricity using no generators or wires. Later, Wilhelm Reich became famous experimenting with “orgone” energy. Aether, prana, chi, scalar, orgone—all are names for the light-based aspect of the same spiritual or torsion energy that gave (and continues to give) rise to the holographic multiverse.
Sol Luckman
Source: Conscious Healing: Book One on the Regenetics Method, Page: 65..66

or search 'chi, scalar, qigong' here

3/18/2008 04:06:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

When people ‘discuss’ things they first assert something, then that thing can be examined. Most people settle for the assertions part, and pretty much leave out the examination part. Dialogue happens when ‘search for truth’ allows examination to take priority over assertions. Anyway, I do not see allot of that here (or anywhere), perhaps because of our tendency to identify with our personality rather than our soul. The following grab is found at my latest (partial) refuge.

The graphic depicted, on what I think to be the cover of a book by Val Valerian, jellyfish with their tendrils hanging down and with people standing on the ground at the ends of the tendrils. The author’s intention is to say that these are Higher Selves depicted in a sequential mode.

“The Gold Edition also contains an additional new color graphic depicting Higher Selves in sequential mode, where all of us who now have simultaneous processes originally began, before our choice to go simultaneous. Matrix V reveals who we really are, apart from culture and body, why we’re here, what the polarity-based control structures on Earth are really about, and accurate information about what is beyond the 3rd density and higher, based on direct observational experience that has lasted more than a decade. No belief systems, speculation or game-related traps in this book. We’re going outside the box. Matrix V contains information that the light side, dark side and alien groups (and their promoters) do not want you to know. It will allow you to see through all their vast manipulations, and the extension of those manipulations in Earther society. Matrix V is a book that deals with the big questions in life - who we are, and why we are here.”

Is anyone out there that is familiar with this material?

3/18/2008 08:21:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Wow! Thanks to everyone for all this great chewy information to slather over!!!
IC, no, I haven't read that book, but I have heard a part of that quote, good stuff for sure. I will check that out.
and I completely get what you mean (i think) about the bar patrons getting rowdy and either playing up to that or creating a masculine wave form of "RARRR!!!" as if to say "HEY! shut up!" or something like that.
I play several instruments btw.
I've played the drums since i was 8 years old. Music is the best language, aside from words or perhaps.....
I feel like being able to jam is one of my greatest accomplishments (yet really, anyone can do it)
I love the theme of not underestimating your audience, yet sadly, Drew seems to feel this most profoundly.
I think we get you Drew.
oh man that sounds trite.
but you know what I'm saying.
In the "language of the disease"

3/18/2008 08:24:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Sounder said: "Dialogue happens when ‘search for truth’ allows examination to take priority over assertions. "
Thank you.
I feel like we've stumbled onto the main aspect of the cacaphony..the madness of crowds (or one aspect of it at any rate)
sorry to be captain obvious here.
Just thought that was a good observation.
so what is The Soloution?
better dialogue?
brain to brain interface?
Vulcan Mind Meld?

Or can we just deal with the inherent flaws in human communication? definitely definitely no logic to
Human behavior.....
Being Human always seemed like such a cop-out to me.

3/18/2008 01:01:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

One more thing:
Childhood's End....
"The idea of humanity reaching an end point through transformation to a higher form of existence is the main idea behind the concept of the Omega Point and of the technological singularity. The idea of self-transcendence appealed to devotees of psychedelic mind expansion, too, and Tom Wolfe would offer a quote from the novel at the conclusion of his LSD-soaked memoir The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test.

It is also reminiscent of the belief held by some Christians in the "Rapture", and has been used in a number of science fiction works written since Childhood's End, the most famous being Clarke's 2001: A Space Odyssey. Other examples include Blood Music, Darwin's Radio, and its sequel Darwin's Children by Greg Bear, the Vernor Vinge novels incorporating the "Singularity", Olaf Stapledon's Star Maker and, in Iain M Banks' "Culture" novels, the "sublimation" which advanced civilizations may undergo."
from the evil wikipedia jellyoverlords...
interesting how Clarke's novel reads like a blueprint for occultinc alien worshipping whateves..

3/18/2008 01:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Dude Mark, Do not let that freak show GGG get under your skin. I have personally many environmental credentials. No need to list them all. I did however plant 1 million trees in a 20 stint here in the great northwest. Oblivion minded people hate the earth, they want release from it and its social realities. Hence they do not care about here,only oblivion/nirvana. The cycle of life is a prison for them, one they seek to be released from. I for one love this earth and sofia and myself. GGG you are on glue. Respectfully, Dennis from Oregon. (hey Jeff lets move on from the scary monsters?)

3/18/2008 02:15:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

way to go.
and just when i thought we were all gonna get together and sing Kum bay ya.
ha ha.

3/18/2008 03:14:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

sorry to keep posting, really I am, but...
sounder, MatrixV....
I WANT this book.
even for the Entertainment value alone.
No seriously, i'm getting it.
it makes some bold claims, for example,

"The scope of the material in Matrix V exceeds that of any existing literature, which will become quite evident to the reader. If you identify with your body or your gender, or are comfortable in your "human" existence, do not buy Matrix V. You will not be ready for this advanced material, which is geared toward Advanced, Dominant and Final 3rd density incarnational perspectives. Matrix V is, no doubt, one of the most spiritually enlightening books ever printed, and at the same time to the factions that control this planet - and control anything anywhere - this is the most dangerous information ever released to mankind because it discusses who we really are, what the polarity-based control structures are really about, and the truth about incarnational experience on Earth. It is also a book that concerns accurate information about what is beyond the 3rd density and higher, based on direct observational explorations that have lasted more than a decade. It is a book that deals with the big questions in life - who we are, and why we are here."

"it exceeds that of any existing literature."


3/18/2008 08:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On April 12, 1999, I received the following email message:

---------------------------------begin message-----------------------
Federal Aviation Administration Facility Caught Launching Chemtrail
Spray Aircraft
by Val Valerian, April 12, 1999
It was reported to Leading Edge Research Group the afternoon of April 12, 1999 by one of the longtime readers of the Leading Edge Research Journal that the huge FAA Technical Center near Pomona, New Jersey, adjacent to Atlantic City Airport, was seen by him to launch three large olive green four-engine jet aircraft, which proceeded east, and over Ocean City began to emit a fog-like
compound from the rear of the aircraft (not from the engines).

The aircraft then turned and proceeded toward Atlantic City, New Jersey at an altitude of between 10,000 and 12,000 feet. According to the report, this particular FAA Technical Center is even larger than the Atlantic City Airport, and is capable of handing 747's on their runway. Experimental aircraft are also
tested there.

As an aside, this same individual took a tour of the facility in the early 1990's. After the tour had been going a while, he began to talk to one of the FAA supervisors that had accompanied the tour. While in the middle of a series of questions to the FAA supervisor, he asked, "Is this the place that alien technology is back-engineered?". Without thinking, the FAA supervisor replied,
"Oh, no, we don't do that here, we ....", and suddenly got red in the face and appeared angry that he had spoken out. The official went out of his way to avoid the questioner during the rest of the tour.

Any common sense approach to the "chemtrail" problem, which is happening over every major population area in the United States, would have to involve the knowledge of the FAA, the Department of Commerce, and more. The fact that scores of aircraft are pulling non-standard and potentially hazardous manuvers over cities all the time and continue to do so means that one or more areas in the government are involved with this insidious program. Now, we have one credible and verfied source for at least one launch mission.”
----------------------end message

Upon examination of the report, I consulted a map of the area and found that aircraft “proceeding east” from the Atlantic City Airport would not arrive over Ocean City, NJ, which is ten miles south, but would rapidly be over the Atlantic ocean within minutes.(1) Upon consulting the FAA facility website(2), I found that they had no runway of their own, and that flights leaving from both the FAA facility and Atlantic City Airport use the same two runways.(3)

Also lacking in this report was a time of observation, the most basic element in a report of this kind, without which no verification is possible.

When the incorrect flight path was pointed out to Val Valerian four days later, he responded:

“The fact that the aircraft took off to the east is because of the directionof the runway. Obviously they had to turn to fly over Ocean City. We didn't say Ocean City was east of Pomona.”

Three hours later, a new report was issued which showed the planes now taking off to the west, then proceeding south, then turning east to fly over Ocean City, NJ. This is a 180 degree change of takeoff direction and two course changes that were not mentioned before. The altered report now contains the observation time of 3:45. Inexplicably, and with no comment, the estimated altitude of the planes was also changed from “between 10,000 and 12,000 feet” to now read “between 8,000 and 10,000 feet”.(4)

One problem with the altitude specified is that weather archives of the time show that clouds were present at 5500 ft. altitude, making observation of aircraft operations at 8,000 to 10,000 feet through the ten miles to twenty flight path almost impossible.(5)

In an interview with Holly Baker, public affairs officer(6) at the FAA center, I was told that the control tower for the Atlantic City International Airport only keeps aircraft takeoff information for two weeks, and that time has passed. Val Valerian did not respond to repeated requests for further information, and has not updated his report with further information.

While the original witness remains anonymous, Val Valerian, who wrote the report, is a pseudonym for John Grace (7)(last known rank of Captain in 1992) of the Counter Intelligence Division of Air Intelligence of the United States Air Force.

Captain John Grace and John O. Lear (lifetime CIA pilot and operative) wrote the books, "The Matrix", "Matrix 2", "Matrix 3", and any subsequent volumes(8). They were undoubtedly paid a huge sum for the movie rights.

Grace and Lear have admitted to creating the forged “KRYLL” documents, purportedly describing an alien being held by the US government(9). This establishes that Captain John Grace of the Counter Intelligence Division of Air Intelligence of the United States Air Force has participated in this type of hoax before. It appears that, despite no evidence of either aliens or harmful substances being present within contrails, Captain John Grace and others appear
to be steering the contrails controversy towards a confluence with their “alien/UFO” hypothesis. This joining together of two false “threats” could be a means of fomenting panic and disarray among the people.

The information in Captain Grace’s report was found to be inaccurate, incorrect, and has been altered to a great extent since my inquiry four days after it’s issue. These facts alone do not make it false, but it’s credibility considering it's author's history of Air Force Counter Intelligence hoax activity is now highly questionable. Without corroborating evidence or documentation, it cannot be
considered valid at this time.

3/18/2008 10:53:00 PM  
Blogger A. Magnus Publius said...

Nothing in the United States constitution authorizes the government of the U.S. to lie, defraud, misdirect or otherwise deceive the American people. Somebody needs to remind 'Val Valerian' about the oath he took under his alter ego 'Captain Grace' to defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies - foreign and domestic.

3/18/2008 11:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK I just finished chatting with a coworker who had asked what I was doing with a previous coworker. The previous coworker is interested in alchemy -- Gurdjieff harmonics - and I was sitting in full-lotus shooting energy at him. She came up curious. He went back to work. I proceeded to shoot energy at her while we discussed alchemy in an indirect manner -- all the while I was sitting in full-lotus. She had asked what I had been doing with him and I responded:

We're listening.

After I shot energy at her for over half an hour and discussed harmonics of the mind-body, fasting, nutrition, psychology, electrochemical energy and electromagnetic energy and light, etc. I stated:

That's why I told you we we're listening.

She was like "oh wow." haha.

And that's how it is folks. Recommended book of the day:

"My Journey to Lhasa" by Alexandra David-Neel -- this book really captures a culture that relied on spiritual healing -- the idea that physical reality is made up of spirit (which is really just light harmony or disharmony).

To equate nonwestern spirituality with western science is sick and twisted yet doesn't seem to bother the "conspiracy" activists here. No scalars are NOT the source of qigong energy -- qigong relies on complementary opposite harmonics while scalars use logarithmic-based math, as I've detailed in my blogbook.

Btw -- I talked with Richard Grossman (cited above in the conspiracy excerpt) while we walked across Chicago together back at the Democratic National Convention in 1996. He was presenting to our Democracy 180 group, a new student movement -- while he was director for

So we have to ask WHY is the corporation legally a person? The answer goes back to Plato, as David Bazelon details in his classic book for the Institute of Policy Studies:


For further details you can read my blogbook:

Plato versus Pythagoras.

3/18/2008 11:18:00 PM  
Blogger Dick Durata said...

Clarke just handed in his dinner pail. Pretty well timed, Jeff.

3/19/2008 03:01:00 AM  
Blogger NickJones said...

I haven't yet read through all the entries - it's 3:20 AM, and I'm tired - so excuse me if this has already been mentioned above: Morrowind, an Elder Scrolls game from Bethesda Softworks, has jellyfish monsters. They float benignly thorugh the sky, unless attacked. Speaking of fiction becoming reality....

Perhaps apropos, my girlfriend claimed to have gone sailing on the Long Island Sound with friends on Sunday, and to have seen a giant squid go after the anchor of the sailboat, which was baited with a raccoon. They looked each other in the eye, and the squid then zoomed off.
However, when she told me this, it was obvious that she was under the influence of something. As the evening wore on, she got more wound up and angry, even calling it "exorcising demons". Food for thought there....H.P. Lovecraft, William Peter Blatty AND Jules Verne?

When it became my turn to be the focus for her ranting, I told her to get out.
There's more that happened (leading to her becaoming my new ex-girlfriend), but it's not germane to the subject at hand.

3/19/2008 04:03:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

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3/19/2008 08:21:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

Nickjones: thanks for the chuckle.
baited with a racoon?!
Oscar myer's weiner: I certainly hadn't done my homework on this guy Val Valerian, thanks for the low-down. I basically thought this bloke was just some "New Age" philosopher type or something. How Sinister.
"Grace and Lear have admitted to creating the forged “KRYLL” documents, purportedly describing an alien being held by the US government(9)."
Isn't that in william cooper's "behold a pale horse" too?
I wonder if Grace was the one that told him that. Or part of a conspiracy you suggest, to somehow connect chemtrails (or a halucinagenic? chemical in them)
linked with the threat of manufactured alien invasions?
That's just Sci-Fi, righhhhht????
yeah, that would be something.
Obviously, our government has been talking about that "threat from another world" for quite some time.
all of this wave/frequency healing stuff is very interesting.
practical magic.
hidden, sacred knowledge.
you can see why people would hide this lost art of healing.
seems to be in a real resurgence lately in the area of energy work and yoga, reminiscent of the one in the 80's. the wave could be cresting. Ong bro.

3/19/2008 08:24:00 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Yes fletcher, my focus is always toward solutions. We are responsible for the shape that our future takes. My assertions along these lines are in a short essay called New Outlook Society, at my blogspot. I encourage everyone else to attempt the same exercise, it’s fun. I make lots of assertions on my blogspot, but unless and until others see value in or recognize the implications of the assertions, they will remain largely unexamined. I wish I had the time or the inclination to say more than simply, I agree with a. magnus and Dennis from Oregon. Got to go work on the Dalai Lama’s throne, for pay, not as some devotional exercise.

Excellent writing on your blogspot a. magnus

3/19/2008 08:30:00 AM  
Blogger fletcher said...

the Dalai Lama’s throne? that must be some shiney toilet.
but seriously, he has a throne?

3/19/2008 10:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Sounder's focus is about solutions then why does he spend any amount of time here? This place is not about solutions. It never has been and never will be, yet here he is. His actions belie his words as is the case with so many others here who love to pontificate as much as they love to jack off.

3/19/2008 11:27:00 AM  
Blogger A. Magnus Publius said...

An anonymous poster said:

If Sounder's focus is about solutions then why does he spend any amount of time here? This place is not about solutions. It never has been and never will be, yet here he is. His actions belie his words as is the case with so many others here who love to pontificate as much as they love to jack off.

The delicious irony of that last sentence is that the entire anonymous rant was in itself a pontificatory exercise in masturbation.

To the other poster who mentioned the writing in my blog: thanks for the kind words. After consuming good intellectual discussions like the ones held here I finally decided to get off my posterior and contribute to the fray. Jeff presents a very strong example indeed.

3/19/2008 12:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jelly Fish, Jelly Fish,
Why are they afraid of you?
Jelly Fish, Jelly Fish,
It's not your fault

They don't like you cuz you're all wet
You're obviously not their favorite pet
Jelly Fish, Jelly Fish,
It's not your fault

You may not have a spine like them
You're not attractive and look like giant flem
I'll miss you before we're done
Or the world will jellyify as one

Jelly Fish, Jelly Fish,
Why are they afraid of you?
Smelly Cat, Smelly Cat
It's not your fault

3/19/2008 12:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nice solution maggot pubic, you jack off.

3/19/2008 01:04:00 PM  
Blogger fletcher said...

just thought I'd throw this in here...old story, i know...but as long as we're sort of on the cthulu mythos..
deep ones...

Giant Fungus Challenges Traditional Ideas Of Individuality
by Kate Melville

The world's biggest fungus, discovered in Oregon's Blue Mountains in 2001, is challenging traditional notions of what constitutes an individual. The underground fungus - estimated to be between 2000 and 8500 years old - is also deepening our understanding of the ecosystem, with possible implications for the management of Canadian forests, according to a paper published March 17 on the Web site of the Canadian Journal of Forest Research (

The clone of Armillaria ostoyae - the tree-killing fungus that causes Armillaria root disease - covers an area of 9.65 square kilometres, about the size of 6000 hockey rinks or 1600 football fields.

"It's one organism that began as a microscopic spore and then grew vegetatively, like a plant," says Dr. Catherine Parks, a research plant pathologist with the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) Forest Service and co-ordinator of the research team. "From a broad scientific view, it challenges what we think of as an individual organism."

3/19/2008 03:05:00 PM  
Blogger iridescent cuttlefish said...

Well, I'm not sure that what we're doing here--this slow motion dance of proposition/counter-proposition, occasional resonant harmony, mostly talking past one another--really consitutes either a discussion or a fray. Maybe a congealing soup that would be better served hot (unlike Jeff's complexity-from-cooling factoid) but our tempo derives from Jeff's, for better or worse.

This is the reverse of the audience egging on the band thing we saw (I was playing bass too, the safe & stodgy instrument of those like me who don't play anything else well enough to do it publicly...although there exceptions, naturally), but in the infinitude of all things all things are not only possible but probably happening right now while we're sitting here chatting about what is and what isn't...


I have to agree with both your skepticism toward the Green Revolution (this Corner House piece on the role of that evil genius Malthus in that "revolution," as well as the Cold War, eugenics and the creeping fungus of privatization is brilliant, well sourced, and absolutely relevant to the invasion of the jelly snatches) and toward anyone claiming to have a monopoly on truth (hiya, Drew!), but I think you can take what you want from any source that has something you like.

So, too, in the case of these Green Hermeticism guys, it's the message, not the messengers. (That would be more of Drew's cultish personality fixation.) The rehabilitation of Goethe & the Luddites and all the others who tried to steer the West in a different direction is for me the point of that effort, not the significance of the excavators. In fact, if you allow your distaste for those modern personalities to turn you away from what they've found, then that bathwater is going to be full of babies that we really do need.

The reintegration of spirit into this naked plane does not depend on any particular leader, spokesman, high priest or sect, cult and religion. It can't be bottled & sold--the disease of the West--either.

Objectivity is dead.

Dump 'O the Day (it's a goodun'):

If life and the world are Just This, we are left no choice but to make the best of it: to be more efficient, to achieve better security, to get life’s uncertainties under control. There are voices that speak to this too. They are the evangelists of technology and self-improvement, who urge us to improve the human condition basically by trying harder. My inner evangelist tells me to get my life under control, to work out every day, to organize my time more efficiently, to watch my diet, to be more disciplined, to try harder to be a good person. On the collective level, the same attitude says that perhaps the next generation of material and social technologies—new medicines, better laws, faster computers, solar power, nanotechnology—will finally succeed in improving our lot. We will be more efficient, more intelligent, more capable, and finally have the capacity to solve humanity’s age-old problems.

For more and more people today, these voices ring hollow. Words like “high-tech” and “modern” lose their cachet as a multiplicity of crises converge upon our planet. If we are fortunate, we might, for a time, prevent these crises from invading our personal lives. Yet as the environment continues to deteriorate, as job security evaporates, as the international situation worsens, as new incurable diseases appear, as the pace of change accelerates, it seems impossible to rest at ease. The world grows more competitive, more dangerous, less hospitable to easy living, and security comes with greater and greater effort. And even when temporary security is won, a latent anxiety lurks within the fortress walls, a mute unease in the background of modern life. It pervades technological society, and only intensifies as the pace of technology quickens. We begin to grow hopeless as our solutions—new technologies, new laws, more education, trying harder—only seem to worsen our problems. For many activists, hopelessness gives way to despair as catastrophe looms ever closer despite their best efforts.

In the following series of essays, I will explain why trying harder can never work. Our “best efforts” are grounded in the same mode of being that is responsible for the crisis in the first place. As Audre Lord put it, “The master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house.” Soon, though, this mode of being will come to an end, to be replaced by a profoundly different sense of the self, and a profoundly different relationship between human and nature. I will describe a gathering revolution in human beingness.

This revolution is not just a personal or even a social phenomenon. A change in our sense of self implies a change in our sense of world too—a change in what we consider real or possible. In researching The Ascent of Humanity I visited the darkest despair, as I realized the true magnitude of the crises on hand. What the doomsayers say is true: our situation is beyond hope. Perhaps if we had reversed course in the 1960's, if we had zealously applied all the ecological and social understandings that arose at that time, there would still have been hope. No longer. It is too late. Only a miracle will save us. And so I say, "Let us devote ourselves to the study of miracles."

And what is a miracle? A miracle is an occurrence from beyond our world—beyond, that is, the reality we know. A miracle is an expansion of the Possible. Miracles abound today, crowding at the gates of the realm of objectivity and reason we have created. We hold them back with increasing difficulty, all those things which simply don't fit into the conventional worldview. They point to the technologies of a new world, but they are not really new technologies, new techniques for extending our domination of nature. They are, rather, a wholly new (and very ancient) mode of technology. They spring from a profoundly different understanding of self and world, and they will therefore remain marginal, "alternative", until the world we know today has collapsed.

We can see this collapse, then, as a birthing process. The old world dissolves, and a series of intense contractions births us into a new world. We are being pushed into the light.

Even in the darkest days, everyone senses a higher possibility, a world that was meant to be, life as we were meant to live it. Glimpses of this world of wholeness and beauty have inspired idealists for thousands of years, and echo in our collective psyche as notions of Heaven, an Age of Aquarius, or Eden: a once and future Golden Age. As mystics have taught throughout the ages, such a world is closer than close, “within us and among us”. Yet as well it is impossibly far off, forever inaccessible to any effort arising from our present self-conception. To reach it, our present self-conception and the relationship to the world it implies must collapse, so that we might discover our true selves, and therefore our true role, function, and relationship to the universe.

~~excerpt from Charles Eisenstein's Reality Sandwich, a prelude to The Ascent of Humanity, another incomparable guide, still available online...

3/19/2008 03:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK so let's just wrap this all together. Biology professor Brian Goodwin is probably the best improvement on Rupert Sheldrake's morphogenic evolution model. As Goodwin states in his "Temporal Order of Cells" -- there's a significant increase in amplitude from the subharmonic oscillations of frequency.

John Casti's book on the limits of science from mathematical intractability states that Goodwin is just relying on Laplace's HARMONIC functions, as is Sheldrake. Whereas Sheldrake has been written off as a wing-nut, Goodwin is inspiring the cutting edge of digital biology research at M.I.T., as featured in WIRED -- turning genetic evolution into a resonance of neural networks hooked up to lasers and shit.

I'm just making up that last part but I mention lasers because according to mainstream "harmonics" there is NO INFORMATION without there first being energy, but paradoxically, the measurement of energy, ever since Archytas, relies on logarithmic-based or divide and average math (inverse square using geometric mean). You create the holographic harmonic oscillation laser feedback by maintaining the

So essentially we've got colliding black holes kicking out spacetime (or ether) waves as the current science contender for the true Pythagorean "harmony of the spheres." But to figure out the frequency of the energy from a black hole you have to take into account the speed of earth, solar system, galaxies, etc., gravitational lensing, etc. All this gets factored into the aluminum


that supposedly will continuing "ringing" after being hit by a gravity wave.


Hence Professor H.M. Collins' forthcoming book on how all this cosmology stuff is preordained by the mathematical logic involved. As I've stated quantum chaos mathematician John Casti notes that harmonic functions only allow solutions with the assumption of a closed boundary condition of spacetime.

So the universe is expanding in acceleration which means, by standard science, a cold death but, as Boltzmann, and Einstein, realized, statistically, with enough time, the radiation pressure of light, with counteract the dark energy or negative matter of whatever hell the physicists are inventing to cover-up their inherently flawed mathematics.

All these Higgs "true vacuum" experiments rely on, again, the concept of discovering the inherent asymmetry of time, essentially, which caused there to be more matter than antimatter.

Meanwhile there's 20 years of freshwater left on the planet, real evolution -- ecology -- is almost completely done with (large mammals stopped evolving decades ago according to top conservation biology Michael Soule).

Physics states that time has no meaning if there is no different in energy in the universe, and that time began due to an inherent asymmetry of matter, that just has to be discovered through means which are exponentially destroying real time for humans' reliance on ecology.

And so the Harmony of the Spheres laughs in our fake 3-D faces.

3/19/2008 04:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had to post that but I was saying you create the holographic harmonic resonance feedback by maintaining the same frequency and amplitude but altering the phaseshift of frequency compared to the medium of spacetime.

Logically though this is a paradox since "frequency" already assumes that time is defined by space, instead of time being defined by nonlocal information itself, measured by listening (not a visuocentric power system). The one thing that really freaked out Einstein (causing him to almost get hit by a car, as John Gribbon reports in his "In Search of the Big Bang") was that stars were created out of zero energy.

3/19/2008 04:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Iridescent cuttlefish your friend had splattered his blood on a woman in the audience?... That is a good influence when you wrote they are still together. Good one.

As the universe goes what do you think about the Gap Theory? This recreation of creation that had happened you know where. The cosmos entirely changed as well as the earth of course. Then the teaching of the lake of fire and a fiery consumption of the planet. Black hole? Two galaxies on a collision course? Where will our solar system be at in the galaxy in a thousand years? Will we be close to a black hole or colliding galaxies that science has recently discovered?

I wish you the best of health. And I thank the God of my life for these mind fuckers as well. hahaha

3/19/2008 04:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm throwing this at interested parties. This taken from the very ancient constellation of Taurus. The constellation Eridanus (The River of the Judge).

It issues forth, in all the pictures, from the down-coming foot of Orion.

In the Denderah Zodiac it is a river under the feet of Orion. It is named Peh-ta-t, which means the mouth of the river.

It is an immense constellation.

Here, then, we have a river flowing forth from before the glorious Orion. It runs in a serpentine course towards the lower regions, down, down, out of sight. In vain the sea monster, Cetus, strives to stop its flow. It is "the river of the Judge", and speaks of that final judgment in which the wicked will be cast into the lake of fire. It was evidently originally associated with fire; for the Greek myths, though gross perversions, still so connect it. According to their fables, something went wrong with the chariot of the sun, and a universal conflagration was threatened. In the trouble, Phaeton (probably a reference to the star Pheat in the constellation) was killed and hurled into this river, in which he was consumed with its fire. The whole earth suffered from such a burning heat that great disasters ensued. We see from this myth two great facts preserved in the perverted tradition, viz, judgment and fire.

ARATUS also preserves the connection,

"For yonder, trod by heavenly feet,
Wind the scorched waters of Eridanus' tear-swollen flood,
Welling beneath Orion's uplifted foot."

Is not this the testimony afterwards written in the Bible? Daniel sees this very river in his vision of that coming day, when the true Orion shall come forth in His glory. He says, "I beheld till the thrones were placed, and one that was ancient of days did sit....His throne was fiery flames, and the wheels thereof burning fire. A FIERY STREAM ISSUED AND CAME FORTH FROM BEFORE HIM. "This is the River of the Judge; for he goes on to say, "the judgment was set, and the books were opened" (Dan 7: 9-11, RV).

Again it is written in Isaiah 30: 27-33 (RV)

"Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far,
Burning with His anger, and in thick rising smoke:
His lips are full of indignation,
And His tongue is as a DEVOURING FIRE:
And His breath is as AN OVERFLOWING STREAM [ of fire]...
For a Topheth is prepared of old;
Yea, for the king [Moloch] it is made ready;
He has made it deep and large;
The pile thereof is FIRE and much wood;
The breath of the LORD, LIKE A STREAM OF BRIMSTONE, doth kindle it."

There is more mention of this flaming fire of vengeance in the ancient texts of the Bible.

This is the true ancient Eridanus. It is no mere "picture". It is a dread reality! It is written of stars of fire, and words of truth, that men may heed the solemn warning and "flee from the wrath to come"!

More knowledge to store in relation to the universe.

3/19/2008 06:01:00 PM  

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